1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:07,600 So I before we get started, I'm just going 2 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:13,840 to quickly uh ask what topics are here for um so I can be sure to prioritize 3 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:21,000 them. Uh I have deer management. Have that. Anything else? 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,000 Open space. 5 00:00:21,119 --> 00:00:27,160 » Open space location. 6 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,160 » Okay. 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:37,280 » Skate park. skate park. Anything else? All right. 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:41,680 All right. In that case, you're all ready to go. 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:44,480 Uh, welcome to the combined monthly workshop and business meeting of the 10 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,000 board of commissioners held for the purpose of transacting the general 11 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:52,399 business of the township. Today's date is September 9th, 2026. The meeting is 12 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,320 being held in the Springfield Township building and is also being offered in a 13 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:59,680 live streaming feature. The meeting will be made available on the township's 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:02,719 website beginning tomorrow morning. Comments will not be accepted remotely 15 00:01:01,199 --> 00:01:06,320 during the meeting, but instructions for submitting public comment in advance of 16 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:11,040 tonight's meeting were provided as part of the posted agenda. You'll find that 17 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:15,040 this is a little unfamiliar format because we're combining our Monday and 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:20,080 Wednesday meeting because of course Monday was a Labor Day holiday. Uh so 19 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:23,680 bear with us as we try to move mostly like a Wednesday meeting. That's why 20 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:28,320 we're sitting here at the dis and not in the more informal setting. they have 21 00:01:25,759 --> 00:01:31,280 experienced us before. Mr. Taylor, can you please summarize any public comment 22 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,880 received prior to the meeting? >> Uh, yes, Madam President. We received 23 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:39,520 nine public comments. All were related to the skate park location at McKelby 24 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,280 Park and all were opposed. >> Thank you, Mr. Taylor. At this time, 25 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:46,479 please stand and join the board of commissioners in a moment of silent 26 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:52,920 reflection to honor the servicemen and women who place themselves in harm's way 27 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,920 um at home and overseas. 28 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,640 Please remain standing for the pledge of >> allegiance. 29 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,960 I pledge >> allegiance to the flag of the United 30 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:09,759 States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under 31 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:13,399 God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 32 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,440 » At this time, I'll entertain a motion dispensing with the reading of the 33 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,239 minutes of the previous meeting as written and recorded in the official 34 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:24,239 minute book of the township. >> So moved. 35 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:29,040 » We have a motion. Is there a second? Any questions or comments? Hearing none. All 36 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:33,760 in favor, please signify by saying I. >> I. 37 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:40,400 » All right. Uh we have a full quorum today. Uh we typically on Mondays 38 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:45,599 receive our engineer Tim Woodro. Uh due to um a conflict, a schedule conflict 39 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:50,160 and because it's a little light for our engineer, uh we were able to excuse him 40 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:56,400 tonight. But if you have any questions for our engineer, please feel free to 41 00:02:52,319 --> 00:03:00,640 send them along to us as always. Uh tonight's meeting is a combined 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:05,680 workshop and business meeting due to the Labor Day holiday. Uh and as a result, 43 00:03:02,959 --> 00:03:09,680 public comment will be accepted. Um as each agenda item is discussed, I already 44 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,200 took a quick poll, as you heard, of a couple of topics. I'll try to bring that 45 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:17,519 right to the front after announcements. Um and as always, we when you do come 46 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:22,480 and speak, please reminded to come forward. uh say your uh name, uh what 47 00:03:20,239 --> 00:03:28,640 part of the township you live in, and of course, try to keep your uh messages 48 00:03:24,959 --> 00:03:32,640 short and avoid repetitive comment. Uh all right, at this time, I'm going to go 49 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,560 ahead and do a couple of announcements. First, regarding the Flowertown Country 50 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:41,120 Club swimming pool pass, the daily swimming pool passes at the Flowertown 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:44,959 Country Club circulated 179 times over an 80-day period during the first year 52 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:49,120 of availability. The swimming pool passes will be made available again next 53 00:03:46,959 --> 00:03:51,840 summer once the swimming pool resumes seasonal operating hours. So that's 54 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:57,040 really great. Love to hear that. That's our first year doing that. Uh next, 55 00:03:54,879 --> 00:04:01,040 there is going to be a town hall event. Uh state representative Napoleon Nelson 56 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:05,599 will be hosting a town hall meeting on Thursday, October 1st at 7 p.m. at the 57 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:08,239 Free Library of Springfield Township. The meeting will feature an update on 58 00:04:06,879 --> 00:04:12,159 the current projects and activities of the Jentown Bureau, Cheltonham Township, 59 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:16,880 and Springfield Township Environmental Advisory Commissions. This is a 60 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:20,959 reschedule from I believe two weeks ago. Uh a reschedule because it was a stormy 61 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,800 night and now you want to be sure that folks can come out here. So uh those are 62 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:29,280 my announcements. There are two more announcements. First I'd like to hear 63 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:33,919 from the chairwoman of the public safety committee, Beth Mcamer. 64 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,800 » Um thank you, Madam President. I have one announcement. The Springfield 65 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,479 Township Police Department and board of commissioners have launched a 66 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,680 collaborative public safety forum to share information with the public and to 67 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,800 provide the community a space for discussion and feedback regarding 68 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:50,639 policing and public safety in the township. The forums will also allow for 69 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:54,080 inerson engagement with police officers to enhance knowledge and understanding 70 00:04:52,639 --> 00:04:57,759 of law enforcement roles and responsibilities. Our next public safety 71 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:02,560 forum will be held on Thursday, September 17th at 7 p.m. at Springfield 72 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Township Building in this room and will feature a presentation on crimes against 73 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:10,800 the elderly and care dependent individuals including common scams. The 74 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:15,039 final public safety forum for this year is scheduled to occur on Thursday, 75 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:17,520 December 17th, and will include a look back at the year in the police 76 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:20,960 department, including major public safety incidents, crimes, and 77 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:24,000 activities. Each forum will conclude with a question and answer session and 78 00:05:22,479 --> 00:05:27,199 an informal meet and greet with members of the police department and other 79 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:30,479 public officials. Please refer to the township's website and social media 80 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:36,080 platforms for additional information as each forum date approaches. 81 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:40,960 » Thank you, Commissioner um Mcamera. Uh next, I'm going to move to uh chairman 82 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:45,039 of our cultural resources committee, Commissioner Morris. 83 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:48,960 » Thank you, Madam President. Uh my announcements about community day at 84 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:54,240 Springfield Township Community Day celebration will take place on Sunday, 85 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:59,520 October 4th, uh 2026 from 10:00 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Cisco Park in Genai. Uh junior 86 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:03,120 neighbors for a day filled with family fun including 87 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:06,560 face painting, balloon creations, and other surprises. 88 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:11,039 » Oo, surprises, >> food, music, fishing, and fire and 89 00:06:09,199 --> 00:06:15,520 equipment display provided free of charge. Community Day is made possible 90 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:18,960 via generous support of our business community and various community 91 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:23,080 volunteers. For more information, please contact www.urenhogivic.org/ 92 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:31,680 community- >> All right, that concludes my 93 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:37,039 » Thank you, Commissioner Morris. Um, I'm going to go ahead and move a few items. 94 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:40,000 Uh, one I think may be quick and is not officially on our agenda, but on a on a 95 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:43,520 Monday we would take. I'm going to first do the deer conversation. Uh then I'm 96 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:46,400 going to do open space natural lands and then we'll do the skate accordingly. 97 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:51,360 Then we'll move into our committee reports. We'll hear from our manager um 98 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:55,039 and then reopen at the end. So first I know we have someone here to speak about 99 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:59,800 deer. Uh you're more than welcome to come to the microphone. This is public 100 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,800 comment. 101 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:08,319 » All right. Well, good evening uh commissioners. Very excited. This is my 102 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,240 first time here and u my name is Diane Scooty. 103 00:07:08,639 --> 00:07:13,360 » I know no other format. >> Huh. So, you know, no other 104 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:17,680 » I work for a municipal government, so I'm very familiar with um with meetings. 105 00:07:15,919 --> 00:07:22,199 Just a little bit more contentious than up than uh Springfield Township. 106 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:30,080 » Oh, no, no, no. I work at Upper Derby Township. 107 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:34,720 » Um, so I live on 20 20 I don't know if I have to give my address, but I live at 108 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:40,560 26 Glen Circle in Ernheim. And I'm here to of course discuss the deer population 109 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:43,440 in the township. And I just um and I just want to say this for the record. I 110 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:49,840 appreciate Michael telling me, you know, the plans for the um for the upcoming 111 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:54,080 plans um regarding deer management, but just um my husband and I have invested a 112 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:58,879 great deal of money um to improve our property. Um and it's frustrating and 113 00:07:56,639 --> 00:08:04,400 disappointing to constantly find deer in our yard um eating the our many plants. 114 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:08,960 And yes, we have planted deer resistant plants. Um, but we also have many 115 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:14,639 non-deerresistant plants that were planted um on our property long before 116 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:19,440 we purchased this property 15 years ago. In addition, we work many um long hours 117 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:23,759 in our yard and our concern for our health because of the deer, the ticks 118 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:29,280 the deer carry, as well as um their feces. And this past uh Saturday evening 119 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:34,479 while driving down Hall's Lane, um a deer ran into my car um causing damage 120 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:40,719 to the car at an estimated amount of about 200. I haven't taken it to the um 121 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:44,640 to the a vehicle collision place yet. Um I'm thankful that I had no in injuries 122 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:50,640 and I'm sorry for the injuries to the deer but now I am very concerned about 123 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:55,920 the great um because of the everex expanding deer population um you know 124 00:08:53,600 --> 00:09:01,120 that there will be you know more when will a much more serious car accident 125 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:07,040 happen to a resident of the township or other otherwise. Um I learned from a 126 00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:11,680 neighbor uh that a survey was done earlier in the year regarding deer 127 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:17,680 management. Um, and I guess I question whether this was public publicized and 128 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:24,399 if it's and if so, in what manner. Um, I suspect more than 872 of the township's 129 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:30,480 21,000 residents would have responded. I reviewed the deer management report um 130 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:35,920 done for the township dated April 15, 2026. And I feel this study really 131 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:42,160 summarized the issues and the solution. Um, and basically that I I found it 132 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:46,720 really fascinating that it said that the deer obviously the deer population has 133 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:53,120 grown beyond the carrying capacity of our wooded lands causing ecological 134 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:58,080 imbalance um such as preventing establishment of new plants and um 135 00:09:55,360 --> 00:10:02,080 limiting biodiversity. Obviously, the vehicle collisions 136 00:09:59,839 --> 00:10:07,920 causing injury, property damage, and wildlife mortality are occurring in the 137 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:13,680 township. Um, the tick born illnesses including Lyme disease are also evident. 138 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:18,399 And, um, what is really disturbing is the mal malnutrition and disease 139 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:23,519 transmission that can occur among the overcrowding deer population. 140 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:28,079 So the solution as recommended by the study of the implementation of a 141 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:32,079 structured deer management program um which stated was the most practable, 142 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:37,519 cost-effective and sustainable approach. So I hope that's the approach the the 143 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:43,920 township is taking and also just about transparency and communication are just 144 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:49,440 key with the deer management um uh program. So, I'm very um happy to 145 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:53,279 hear that this is going to be discussed at an October meeting. I also have 146 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:57,360 Wednesday night meetings um in my township, but I work. So, um I might not 147 00:10:55,760 --> 00:11:01,839 be able to be here, but I can always watch it online. And I don't know who 148 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:07,760 which representative if I'm in Erdenheim. Okay. Well, there you go. 149 00:11:06,079 --> 00:11:09,519 » Okay. Good. Okay. So, now I know. So, I wasn't quite 150 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:12,720 » We usually have workshop meetings on Mondays, so we will probably talk about 151 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:15,200 it more in detail at the Monday meeting. >> Okay. Good. Or Wednesday meeting. 152 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:19,360 » Good. Good. Good. So then I'll just you know kind of follow up as to agendas and 153 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:24,399 to see when that will be discussed. >> Sure. And I mean and typically we do 154 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:27,880 » you can sign up on the website upper right hand corner 155 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:32,800 » then you'll get meeting if you sign up on the website you can get the meeting 156 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,880 notices pushed out to you. Okay. >> So you don't have to go back and check 157 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:37,360 it all the time. >> Okay. Okay. 158 00:11:35,839 --> 00:11:40,320 » That you should do that. Everyone should do that in 159 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,680 » All right. So that's all I have to say. Thank you so much for your time. And for 160 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:48,880 what it's worth, on Mondays we typically have just more um uh more casual 161 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:52,399 discussion. Uh but for this particular topic, I mean, I don't have a problem 162 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:56,399 saying that next month we anticipate a report back from uh Chief PCKO who is 163 00:11:54,800 --> 00:12:00,160 tasked with following up on the deer management survey because some of that 164 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:05,120 requires uh basically impacted traffic and other safety measures as as you 165 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:07,200 referenced. Uh so we will probably be talking about it at length next month. 166 00:12:06,959 --> 00:12:11,360 Okay. >> Uh and we received that report about 167 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:15,200 three months ago, I think. Uh but we hear you. I think we're all sympathetic 168 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:20,240 with the problem and also sympathetic that it seems like uh the ultimate 169 00:12:17,839 --> 00:12:24,240 solution is either slow pace or difficult to achieve in a densely uh 170 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:26,320 populated area like ours >> and you may know that in upper Derby as 171 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,440 well. >> No, I don't think we have a deer problem 172 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,839 there. Yeah. So, 173 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:37,519 » but I am I used to work at Cababrini and I am familiar with what they did there 174 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:41,360 as well in RER Township um to to take care of the deer problem. And they 175 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:45,519 worked with the the federal government, which I understand you have to be in a 176 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:49,519 two-year program, but um and that was primarily because of accidents that 177 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:54,480 happened, you know, at bordering the campus. So, I mean, there's just, you 178 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:57,680 know, I think whatever there's just so many reasons. So, I'm just looking 179 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,480 forward to hearing, you know, what you have to say. what's going to happen and 180 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:01,600 transpire. >> Thank you so much. 181 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,959 » Thank you. >> Thank you for your comment. 182 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:06,639 » Uh, another set of topics we're going to move. 183 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,959 » Can I ask one question about that before we move on? 184 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:12,639 » Because this was actually something I was going to ask about uh this month 185 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:16,160 just to understand where we are with it, but I'm glad to know that we'll be 186 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:21,040 getting a report um next month from the chief. Um, I don't know if anybody 187 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:25,680 recalls from the presentation because I I don't. I was just looking through the 188 00:13:22,959 --> 00:13:31,440 uh notes here from it and I couldn't find it. Quick, does anybody know what 189 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:35,920 the timing for actually doing the deer management would be in terms of, you 190 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:38,320 know, what time of year is sort of >> Well, they'll be active in the fall. 191 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:43,600 » Okay. >> When they go into rut and they start to 192 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:46,959 lose their mind and focus on certain things, 193 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,920 » like lose their mind and that's the easiest time, but that's also the time 194 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:53,279 where they walk out in front of cars and you have the highest number of 195 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,399 accidents. So, it's >> important to get things going. Yeah, 196 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,360 that's that's what I wanted to ask. >> Yeah, I mean that's the time when you 197 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:02,720 really need to be careful. The fall is when you really need to be careful. 198 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,920 That's where you get the car Yeah. car deer collisions. 199 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:10,399 » Yeah. >> All right. Uh I'm going to go ahead and 200 00:14:08,959 --> 00:14:16,480 move over to the chairman of the environmental resource committee, 201 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:22,639 Brendan May. Uh regarding open space and natural lands. Um how about we go ahead 202 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:26,399 and read Well, actually, how about I receive any public comment? us on this 203 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:31,360 agenda item on open space and natural lands at this time. And then what we'll 204 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:35,519 do is read the motion. Uh and then we will do our comments and questions on 205 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:40,160 the motion as we typically do and then we'll execute our vote. Uh if I know 206 00:14:38,959 --> 00:14:43,040 there's one in the back. Is there anyone else who would like to speak on this 207 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,680 topic? Come on. Uh come on up one at a time. Whoever would like to 208 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:04,240 Judith Panatuchi, 101 East Waken Avenue, Lower Town. Um, 209 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:09,040 I was here at the natural lands uh discussions that you've had a couple 210 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:16,800 months ago. Um, and I've also looked through the zoning ordinances about the 211 00:15:12,399 --> 00:15:22,320 um overlays. I'm just uh wondering since that's a pretty extensive uh 212 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:30,000 process to go through all that um you know digital paperwork um are the 213 00:15:26,079 --> 00:15:35,519 overlays going to be sort of part of the natural lands too and we have township 214 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:42,839 lands. Are they going to ever have any common borders with the natural lands if 215 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,839 we so do get those? 216 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:50,720 Okay, I'm going to hold on to that question and let us discuss it unless 217 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:57,600 someone wants to make a comment. I think what you're saying is what area of land 218 00:15:53,360 --> 00:16:02,079 will a natural lands um be going to review? Just let's set the stage a 219 00:15:59,839 --> 00:16:07,680 little bit. Tonight we're considering an agreement with natural lands to do an 220 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:12,800 open space referendum. They recommend about one year 12 months in advance of 221 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:19,040 the election cycle where the referendum would go. Uh and so this uh comment is 222 00:16:17,199 --> 00:16:23,920 about what area of land are we talking about? And I think part of the 223 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:28,320 conversation with a third party adviser as such as natural lands is to identify 224 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:32,880 some of those areas. Mike, am I you correct? You're correct that part of the 225 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:38,480 the scope of work would be to identify potential lands for conservation going 226 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:42,639 forward. Basically undeveloped but unprotected open space as it exists 227 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:47,279 today. I think you're referring to the township zoning code map when you talk 228 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:52,320 about overlays. This is independent regardless of how something is zoned. um 229 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:57,360 if it's undeveloped and current open space but unprotected um that would be a 230 00:16:55,120 --> 00:17:03,360 consideration for possible conservation in the future should a referendum pass. 231 00:17:01,199 --> 00:17:08,959 » Okay. And when I was here I remember I got the paperwork from the desk here for 232 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:14,799 what what I think I have it at home too for the natural lands. Um, it just seems 233 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:18,559 like when they had the map up there and the woman was trying to explain certain 234 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:24,480 things when the when the presenters came to show that. Um, I I don't remember. Is 235 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:27,520 it on that printout? Is that is the is some of the stuff on there or it's not 236 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:32,160 on there? I just wanted to know. >> There has been no conservation map 237 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:38,559 created as of yet. That is a work product to be completed should the board 238 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:41,200 agree to engage natural lands. Okay, that's right. 239 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:45,600 » I think this I think >> that what the slide that you might be 240 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:49,840 referring to that was an example that the presenter gave from another 241 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:53,520 municipality that she's previously and she was giving an example of um after 242 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:58,320 they had rendered services to that municipality. They were able to identify 243 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:01,440 what was protected, what was under what was not yet developed, what what was 244 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:05,280 left, right to kind of further the discussion. So I think it was an I don't 245 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:08,480 recall what township but it was another municipality. 246 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,840 » Okay. because I I think the same night she did the overlay thing and that was 247 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:15,919 totally different. It was not the same topic. Um, 248 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:20,480 is this going to be done like in six or seven months? I'm just curious. 249 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:23,679 Are they going to have any kind of a a mapping of it or is it going to be 250 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:27,440 further out? I'm just wondering because I might not be here in six or seven 251 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:31,200 months. I I'll live here but I I might not be here. Is it going to be further 252 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:35,280 out do you think when they're going to start designing some of this stuff or or 253 00:18:33,679 --> 00:18:39,919 you don't know? >> But to be determined. Okay, 254 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:46,000 » we we haven't even engaged natural lands at this point, but as Commissioner 255 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:51,600 Ratzaban stated, they recommend a year of planning before the ballot referendum 256 00:18:48,559 --> 00:18:54,640 actually appears on an election ballot. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. 257 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:55,760 » There's work a lot of work to do before then. 258 00:18:55,039 --> 00:19:02,200 » Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. 259 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:02,200 » Anyone else like to speak on this topic? 260 00:19:05,039 --> 00:19:14,000 » Uh, good evening. at John English 603 Bradford Road. Uh the natural lands 261 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:19,679 proposal includes well it's a $15,000 uh proposal is how is that funded? Is that 262 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,880 taxpayer funded? >> Yes. 263 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:27,840 » Okay. So the natural land proposal includes $9,000 for building public 264 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:32,720 consensus. What safeguards will the township put in place to make sure 265 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:37,760 taxpayer funded outreach remains neutral? public education does not 266 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:41,200 become advocacy for a particular referendum outcome. 267 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:44,799 I >> think by nature of it being third 268 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:48,960 parties, right? And that's part of the motivation I think to engage natural 269 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:54,720 lands as I understand it is that it engages a third party that is unbiased 270 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:58,480 um and is again kind of worked with the municipalities 271 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,400 » understanding yes might they have a bias towards uh protecting natural lands of 272 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:05,919 course right but I think in terms of them that was one of the things that 273 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:11,919 that spoke to me in their presentation that they are um really trying to gather 274 00:20:08,559 --> 00:20:15,679 information and present it and um go from there right that 275 00:20:13,919 --> 00:20:20,160 That's my understanding of it anyway. That's kind of our our goal is to use a 276 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:23,760 third party um in this process so we can have unbiased information. 277 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,720 » Yeah. The only thing that I would add to that is I believe that the way natural 278 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:32,320 lands describes this um the commissioners are allowed to be 279 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:37,760 advocates one way or the other. The township itself, township staff is to 280 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:42,400 remain neutral on the question. >> So that's how the ad advocacy component 281 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:47,520 works as part of the the referendum. Okay. And and the referendum is is 282 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:50,720 basically it's a tax on you know would the 283 00:20:49,039 --> 00:20:52,240 » it would be a question to the voters as to whether 284 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:57,120 » Sure. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. >> Yeah. Support an increase in in attacks 285 00:20:54,400 --> 00:21:01,679 to fund open space acquisitions and >> and have you uh explored any other 286 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:07,440 options other than a tax like uh private companies or any anything like that or 287 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:10,880 you just gone right for the tax? Well, we don't have a control over a private 288 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,919 individual or company making the decision to make. 289 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:17,360 » Correct. I'm not saying you have control over it. I'm saying have you explored 290 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:20,000 any other options going right to the tax? 291 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:24,559 » I think for a couple years we've been working on just understanding what type 292 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:28,640 of open space is available to us, what type of opportunities we have or don't 293 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:34,320 have, what challenges we've had. And I think this is one way for us to ask the 294 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:38,000 question of our residents of what they wish to see and what they wish to do. I 295 00:21:36,159 --> 00:21:44,240 think it a lot of people have different interests in in open space preservation 296 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:48,480 and uh you know rather than let's say us to just come out outright with a tax for 297 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,679 example I think it just makes sense to bring it up to the taxpayers to decide 298 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:56,799 if this is something we want to prioritize and in what way. Having a 299 00:21:53,600 --> 00:22:00,240 third party I think will uh help shape this. Not only do I think that I know 300 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:04,159 that's what the job is and it's going to be the most neutral way of handling it. 301 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:08,640 I even read about um Hatfield recently I think is doing one and the materials 302 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,960 outright say as it's being published to your concern um look we we cannot speak 303 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,640 one way or the other but these are the things that would be accomplished with 304 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:20,880 that tax and this is what you're there to consider and I think having um really 305 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:23,280 tight language around that developed takes is going to take some work it's 306 00:22:22,159 --> 00:22:26,480 going to take some time and that's why they recommend 12 months okay advance so 307 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,760 they >> so we've considered over the years I 308 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:32,320 mean to your to your point I think the conversation about open face has 309 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:38,799 happened a number of times over the years uh as to what that could look like 310 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:43,039 and one avenue to explore is taxation and this is one way to explore that 311 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,600 taxation if that's what the appetite of the taxpayers is. 312 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:51,840 » Okay. Yeah. I mean, I don't have an opinion on uh open space either way, but 313 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:56,960 uh my concern is that uh using taxpayer money for, you know, to kind of gain and 314 00:22:54,960 --> 00:23:02,240 I I read it in the I I read through the whole natural lands and I think it was 315 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:07,600 to build public uh consensus and to me that says, you know, they're 316 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:12,480 they're leaning towards this outcome and to use taxpayer dollars for that. Not 317 00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:15,440 everybody may agree. And that's why I that's kind of where my question is. 318 00:23:13,679 --> 00:23:21,360 Yes, that's why we have a vote, you know, then then the the majority is 319 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:25,360 going to determine what happens. And we all hear from our constituents that's 320 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:31,039 extremely important to them. So, we're trying to respond to community needs 321 00:23:28,159 --> 00:23:35,440 with this project. And I mean consensus also there is going to be a a 322 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:40,559 conversation about what town the township would concede and and and have 323 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:45,600 consensus around which parcels what type of land or you know that needs to be 324 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:49,840 identified and so that we can know how much money would be needed. Would it 325 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:54,000 even be enough money to take care of any amount of properties or maybe we'd have 326 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,039 to do more. whatever the outcome is, that's going to be the year's worth of 327 00:23:55,360 --> 00:24:02,960 work that this third party is going to engage in in doing the work of 328 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:06,799 discovering. So, I think it's, you know, >> I would add too, it's not, it's not an 329 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:12,640 either or. Very rarely is a situation come about for preservation where it's 330 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:16,640 taxpayer money or not. There's usually somewhere in the middle. If if an 331 00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:23,039 opportunity comes and let's say a large parcel quickly becomes available and 332 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:27,360 under threat of development without any kind of funding mechanism to just say, 333 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:31,120 "Wow, we hope some rich donor, you know, in the next month buys it." You know, 334 00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:35,520 that's not really a plan that that we can just bank on. So, um, but it does go 335 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,360 in the books, right? At the end of the day, this is here are the pros and the 336 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:42,640 cons. >> The reprimand buzz. I understand that. 337 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:44,720 But the $9,000 to kind of steer it in one direction is what I have a problem 338 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,640 with. >> Well, the referendum is asking you to 339 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:53,360 enact something that doesn't exist. So, I don't know how you would 340 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:56,320 » not skew it because you're not taking a vote to take something away. You're 341 00:24:54,799 --> 00:25:00,799 taking a vote whether to create something that doesn't exist yet. 342 00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:03,679 So, if you were straight down the middle, then you wouldn't even do it 343 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,840 because it doesn't exist right now. >> Okay. Thank you very much for your time. 344 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,440 » Thank you. >> Thank you. Would anyone else like to 345 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,799 speak to this topic before we make the motion? 346 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:18,000 » All right. At this time, I'm going to ask uh Commissioner May to go ahead and 347 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:22,880 submit that motion. >> Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. 348 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:27,520 So my motion I move that the board of commissioners authorize the execution of 349 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:31,120 an agreement with natural lands to assist the board of commissioners with 350 00:25:29,039 --> 00:25:36,559 the preparation of an ordinance and ballot referendum to assist municipality 351 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:41,279 with the preservation of open space. The scope of work shall include public 352 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:46,159 education, facilitation of public meetings, and the preparation of a 353 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:52,480 conservation opportunities map. The Total cost of the agreement is $15,500 354 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:57,520 in accordance with the natural lands proposal dated May 18th, 2026. That is 355 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,279 my motion. >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 356 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,960 » Second. >> Uh are there any questions or comments 357 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,679 on the motion? >> I just wanted to add, you know, 358 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:11,440 regarding natural lands, I think one of the things that stuck out with their 359 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:16,080 presentation is that they don't measure success by whether a referendum passes 360 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:20,080 or not. they just help with construction of the referendum. that's that's the 361 00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:24,559 role that they felt they played which you know with my interest in natural 362 00:26:21,919 --> 00:26:29,679 ants you know and open space preservation I think I was like ah you 363 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:33,440 know I kind I think I kind of hoped or thought that they might be you know 364 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:37,279 working towards it but really it's just the construction the referendum that 365 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:41,279 they have this expertise >> that I'll add a comment there too 366 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:45,840 Brandon that natural lands also performs the services of helping to raise money 367 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,760 not just not just what in the matter of the referendum that we're talking about 368 00:26:47,120 --> 00:26:54,559 here. In fact, when um the property implies lane was an issue, you know, 369 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:59,279 starting in 2019, this board did have a proposal from 370 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:03,520 natural lands to reform services to go try to raise that money through grants 371 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:10,080 and other private donations outside of any kind of of of taxpayer funding. So, 372 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:13,919 they they are minded uh in that way as well in terms of raising. 373 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,320 » Uh >> now, that's not what we're hiring to do 374 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:22,400 here. This is very specific, but that is one of their services. 375 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:26,320 » Andy, are there other uh third party vendors that talk about open space 376 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:29,360 preservation referendum formation like natural lands does in your in your uh 377 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,760 experience? >> I think natural lands are the are the uh 378 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:38,320 the leaders in this area, I would say, in in Montgomery County for sure. Um on 379 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,600 the the Hatfield one, I believe they're involved. They were involved in Lower 380 00:27:39,679 --> 00:27:47,279 Southford, which um is a community that I represent as well. Um, so you know, 381 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:51,520 I've seen them in many places um, assisting municipalities in various ways 382 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:55,760 with with the referendum questions. Um, I really haven't seen too many um, 383 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:59,840 » alternatives and I think they're probably the, you know, the leader as 384 00:27:57,919 --> 00:28:02,320 far as I can tell in this area at the moment. 385 00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:05,679 » Thank you. I'm just following up because I was looking for the same just to be 386 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:09,440 thorough and be sure that if there's some other competitor that we, you know, 387 00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:14,080 obviously get the appropriate request out there. Um but I think this again as 388 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:18,320 you heard me say I think is a it's the appropriate direction for being 389 00:28:16,559 --> 00:28:24,720 responsive to our taxpayers who frequently come here and um discuss uh 390 00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:29,360 how do we preserve land and uh how do we do it with taxpayer dollars or without 391 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:33,200 taxpayer dollars. I mean uh the only other way without is by the generosity 392 00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:36,559 of benefactors uh with you know about whom we can't really control. So, I 393 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:41,120 think this is a great avenue to learn more about what our taxpayers want and 394 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:46,240 um I really appreciate the opportunity to be neutral by the township and the 395 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:50,640 township uh staff itself. Uh obviously, you can hear that we have interest uh 396 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:53,679 individually and so I'm looking forward to hearing more and seeing what comes 397 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:59,120 out of it. One of the things that we've been working on uh without spending 398 00:28:56,399 --> 00:29:03,440 taxpayer dollars is can we develop uh spaces and parcels that we wish to 399 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:07,200 prioritize and it really started to get a little complicated as far as being 400 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:10,799 sure that it was fair, equitable, that we're being thorough, that we have the 401 00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:14,159 due diligence as frankly volunteers trying to figure that out. And so being 402 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:19,360 able to use professional expertise in this area um and learning about this 403 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:25,360 process I think is is the way to go. So that's my comment. Any other comments? 404 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,399 All right, we have a motion. There is a second. Uh, all in favor, please signify 405 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,840 by saying I. >> I. I. 406 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:37,039 » Any oppose? Hearing none, please record a unanimous vote. 407 00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:40,799 » All right. Uh, thank you for those submitting public comment and thank you 408 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:45,679 commissioners for that vote. Next, we have a uh individuals here to discuss 409 00:29:43,919 --> 00:29:49,760 Sleep Park and that's the last of my public comments. So, uh, I will ask one 410 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,919 more time if there's any on any other topic, but our last one in the public 411 00:29:51,600 --> 00:30:00,320 comment section will be skate park. So, if anyone would like to comment on skate 412 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:04,559 park, uh, please come to the four. Uh, I will just cue that up while people get 413 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:11,039 their feet together and come to the mic. Uh, that tonight we intend to, uh, hear 414 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:15,120 a motion regarding the designation of the opportunity to provide a skate park 415 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:18,480 at McKelby. Uh, and that's what we're here to discuss. But before that motion, 416 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:23,760 is there public comment on this topic? If so, please come to the front. Please 417 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:28,640 try to keep your comments uh short and try not to repeat previous comments if 418 00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:33,159 they've already been suggested. Our usual setup often. 419 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:51,120 » Hello. Good evening. Uh my name is Mark Burr. uh resident of Orland uh 228 420 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:56,559 Plymouth Avenue. Uh I have two young children. We use McKelby Park uh in its 421 00:30:53,360 --> 00:31:03,039 current uh form. Uh we really enjoy it. Uh the current lot uh next to the 5 to 422 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:08,799 12 playground and the basketball courts serves as a really nice open and 423 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:13,919 transitional space. Um it really lends itself well to the kids that play there. 424 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:18,880 Um if older kids don't want to go into the smaller kid playground area, that 425 00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:24,880 field can be used for ball sports, uh hanging out. Um the basketball court 426 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:29,200 when it's used is very popular. Uh when it's not being used, it's also serving a 427 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:34,960 second purpose. You can ride bikes on it. Kids can play chalk. um to think 428 00:31:32,159 --> 00:31:39,519 about losing one of the few remaining open spaces in that part of Orland I 429 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:43,760 don't think would serve uh my family especially but the community uh very 430 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:50,960 well. So please take that into consideration uh when you make your 431 00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:54,720 decision. Uh I think uh a skate park not being used uh isn't necessarily 432 00:31:53,039 --> 00:32:00,159 something that can serve a a second purpose and I think um would be a loss 433 00:31:57,919 --> 00:32:05,159 for that part of our community. Thank you for your time. 434 00:32:01,679 --> 00:32:05,159 » Yeah. Thank you. 435 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:27,360 » Hi everyone. My name is Karen Ersum. I'm an resident of Orland. And I know that 436 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:32,960 you've heard a lot from me about this topic and about advocating to preserve 437 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:38,799 the green. So I'm not going to go into all of that again. Um but I am here 438 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:42,080 tonight to ask you some questions that I think need to be answered before making 439 00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:45,840 this decision. Um, 440 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:49,840 I am going to ask that you give serious consideration to community voices and 441 00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:53,840 priorities as you weigh this decision and to ask if you've answered all the 442 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:58,880 questions that you've answered all the questions that you've needed to before 443 00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:02,399 you can vote on this. I'm asking whether you've established 444 00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:06,240 that McKelie is the right location and whether the evidence really supports 445 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,320 giving up this particular piece of green space. 446 00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:14,720 The township has established that there were no park specific impacts measured 447 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:19,360 in the areas of concern that were brought up both by residents and through 448 00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:23,039 the township survey. So I want to ask you, has the township completed a 449 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:28,000 professional feasibility study for this specific site, including the physical 450 00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:34,159 constraints of McKelie, storm water, drainage, trees, grading, residential 451 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:38,760 proximity, noise, parking, access, construction costs, and long-term 452 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,760 maintenance. 453 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:47,519 All right. Uh, >> that's a question. 454 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:53,600 » All right. Do you have any other further public comment? 455 00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:58,559 » Yes, I have other comment. I believe if what the township manager said earlier 456 00:33:55,679 --> 00:34:03,360 this week is that if that hasn't been completed, is the board prepared to 457 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:09,839 approve this location before knowing whether the site is actually suitable? 458 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:14,560 Also, I feel like it's very unclear what we're voting on. 459 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:18,800 I would like clarification on exactly what the board is voting to approve 460 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:22,320 tonight. Is it a general location? Is it a footprint? Are there parameters in 461 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:27,200 place? There's a whole slew of things that I 462 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:32,800 feel like have not been very well established for not only the immediate 463 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:37,119 neighborhood but for the community in general because this will be a community 464 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:42,159 resource no matter where it ends up going. 465 00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:47,520 Um I have questions about the prox the residential proximity factor. Have those 466 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:53,520 been updated? Last month, we brought up that there were apartment complexes that 467 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:58,480 did not appear to be included in those measurements, and I've asked if those 468 00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:05,599 could please be verified. So, I would like to 469 00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:09,680 ask that again. Um, if I would like to hear about what specific mitigation 470 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:16,720 measures are being considered for noise and other neighborhood impacts. 471 00:35:13,359 --> 00:35:21,119 Um, and how are you weighing the community community feedback portion? 472 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:25,680 You've heard that people in our community would like a skate park 473 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:30,720 somewhere here in Springfield Township. You've also heard that there are people 474 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:37,680 who very strongly prefer to preserve the green for its 475 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:44,880 current use. Um, so I am wondering how are you weighing those two things? 476 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:50,720 Um, and what evidence would tell you that preserving the green is the better 477 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:54,800 decision for the broader community or is there another place the skate park 478 00:35:52,640 --> 00:36:00,720 can go? Because these are not mutually exclusive goals to have is to preserve 479 00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:04,960 the green and to have a skate park. Last month, Cisco was on the board right up 480 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:09,280 until the last minute where it was removed. And so, are we really 481 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:14,160 determining the best place for this skate park if we haven't actually 482 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:18,400 considered all the possible spaces where it could go? Can we go back to the 483 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:24,320 drawing board and say, let's really look at these. Let's update this scorecard. 484 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:29,760 Let's consider do some of the best practices scores on there actually even 485 00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:37,280 need to be there because they're scored differently for McKelby versus Cisco for 486 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:42,640 active or I don't know if that was actually it actually I do have it in 487 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:47,520 front of me um safety security and sports lighting. 488 00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:52,160 While this park isn't intended to be used after dusk why does Mckelby get a 489 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:58,000 score? or is it just simply because the amenity exists even if you're not 490 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:03,200 intending to use it? So, is this making your scorecard a little out of balance? 491 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:07,760 Um, and the same thing goes, it is active. You've given me a five, but 492 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:13,119 you've given your other sites fours and threes, but then in your explanation, 493 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:18,560 you say all parks are active. So, there are some things that I'm going to ask 494 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:23,200 that you explain if you're able how they were scored and 495 00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:31,520 what gave them that weight and are they actually even necessary on this to add 496 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:35,680 just additional information. Um, 497 00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:41,359 before I finish my comment, I would just ask that 498 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:48,079 you consider truly what our community values in this 499 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:52,960 park, what we value as a community of Springfield, it's green open space, 500 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:59,280 listening to residents, really just feeling like this is a place that we 501 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:04,079 want to call home. Um, and knowing that and really giving consideration 502 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,320 obviously you have to the skateboard association 503 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:13,040 is that we're we're really looking at the big picture to make sure that when a 504 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:19,280 spot is found, it is the best spot that we can give them, not just something 505 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:24,400 that simply worked for that location. If there are other locations, have you 506 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:29,200 weighed that? Um, I hope that we'll be able to get some of these answers 507 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:34,000 tonight and hear exactly what you're voting on and how the parameters will 508 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:39,680 work around any agreements that are made and commitments, the time frames us, you 509 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:45,920 know, a lot of people are wondering what are the taxpayer implications? Who's 510 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:52,079 paying for this? I in some of the older um parks and wreck meeting there was a 511 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:59,040 comment about if they raise half the township would match it. Does that still 512 00:38:55,520 --> 00:39:03,440 stand? Is that something that's under consideration? I think those are 513 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:07,760 questions that both taxpayers in the whole community deserve to have 514 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:11,040 answered, but also um 515 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:15,920 people who live directly in that community are will be affected by this. 516 00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:21,320 So, thank you so much. >> Thank you. Any other comments on skate 517 00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,320 park at this time? 518 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:32,560 » Hello everybody. Uh good evening. Uh, Pete Ruben, Kim, gota take my readers 519 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:38,560 off because that's all I have to read. Um, but anyway, thanks again for your 520 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:43,520 time for another time. Um, and I just, you know, reading the, you know, the 521 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:49,040 most recent agenda, um, the survey that went out, the scores that came back, um, 522 00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:53,359 you know, the thing that we have to realize, or at least I've been a 523 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:58,960 Springfield resident forever, and we want the same thing. We want green space 524 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:04,000 as well. Uh, and it's a balance. And you know what I've seen since I've been here 525 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:08,880 in this township is an increase in green space, whether it's Harstston Woods, um, 526 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:13,200 you know, um, I forget the the name of it, but the Flood Plane Park. Um, you 527 00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:18,960 know, so we've actually increased the green space. Um, most of the comments 528 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:23,359 that came back and I thought it was a great juxaposition was to see like the 529 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:29,839 the neighboring municipalities that you guys reached out to um to just most of 530 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:34,000 the concerns were based on fear and based on unknowing because we've never 531 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:38,240 had one. But now we're not trying to recreate the wheel and we're talking to 532 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:43,920 municipalities who have done it and some of the same fears and their objections 533 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:48,960 going to bring drugs and graffiti. Uh you know the municipalities said no it's 534 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:53,119 actually not the case. So um I guess I just want everybody to realize that we 535 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,800 truly want the same thing. I mean and the skate park does not mean like you 536 00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:00,000 said mutually exclusive. It doesn't mean there's going to be a void of green 537 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:05,760 space. There will be trees. there will be places for people to sit uh and and 538 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:11,440 just relax. Um, you know, I think it's a a preconceived notion that it's anarchy 539 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:15,920 and it's going to be crazy, which is just not the case. So, I've said it time 540 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:19,920 and time again. I mean, we we've created countless opportunities for the kids in 541 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:25,200 this township to play organized team sports, but nowhere for a kid who needs 542 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:29,119 to get off their phone and just do it on their own clock, their own agenda to do 543 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,880 it whenever they please. And that doesn't mean whenever they please. We 544 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:37,520 all want the same thing. We want to have hours that restrict. We don't want it to 545 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:42,240 be, you know, it's open till 10 o'clock at night. Um, you know, it it's it's 546 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:46,000 something we just have to provide, you know, for the alternative. I mean, one 547 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:51,280 of the responses was um, which was just kind of funny is that we have to um, you 548 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:55,440 know, have free space for diversity and that's what we're trying to do here. 549 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,240 So anyway, that's all I have to say. Thanks. 550 00:41:55,839 --> 00:42:02,760 » Thank you. >> Thank you. Any other comments on this 551 00:41:58,240 --> 00:42:02,760 topic before we put forward a motion? 552 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:12,280 » No, you got a comment. 553 00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:20,720 » I'll be back. >> Is this new information that you're 554 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:26,400 » I just want to have the public comment to be that McKelby Park is 0.8 8 acres 555 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:32,000 and this is the only small patch of green in this part of Orland. So, we're 556 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:35,119 not saying that um green space isn't a priority for the township and that there 557 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:40,960 haven't been new places that have existed, but it's rare that you're 558 00:42:37,839 --> 00:42:46,720 taking away a spot that serves a whole community. And it is the only spot there 559 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:52,880 that's green there. It's fully developed and paved all around. And so this is 560 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:58,480 really taking this little gem of a field and turning it into concrete which is 561 00:42:56,560 --> 00:43:04,160 really what is fully surrounding which makes it so valuable to us. So I 562 00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:10,720 appreciate that there is there are other parks and there are other places for 563 00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:15,920 other neighborhoods to relax in a green park but that won't be the case in 564 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:20,079 downtown Orland. Any other comments on this topic? 565 00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,480 » I think I'd like to offer >> sure 566 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:26,880 » comment from our end of things >> just about and and we probably should 567 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:30,319 announce some of the the measurements and you know clarify some of that before 568 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,079 we vote. >> Um are we going to have the discussion 569 00:43:32,319 --> 00:43:38,560 before the vote or after the vote >> so that we can do the uh discussion 570 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:42,000 after the motion? Uh >> I don't know. That's what Susie told me. 571 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,240 That's the only as long as there's no >> I just wanted to comment. Yeah. I just 572 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,800 wanted to be sure there was an opportunity for public comment before we 573 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:51,440 go right into the motion. Again, this is a little of an unusual format. We're 574 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:56,040 missing our Mondays and Wednesdays. Um, any other public comment on this topic? 575 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:11,440 » Hi, I'm Adrian. Um, I started like advocating for the skate park with my 576 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:15,680 mom and um, sixth grade, I think. Uh, I've kind of played team sports a lot in 577 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:22,800 my life, but I really like skateboarding. I've been skating since I 578 00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:28,000 was I think I was like 6 or 7 years old. Um, I know people who like never played 579 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:32,720 team sports, but love skateboarding and love those individual sports. And um, 580 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,880 there's nowhere in this township for people like that. Like I know a lot of 581 00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:42,240 people who haven't really played team sports and grow up never being able to 582 00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:46,319 skateboard or ride BMX in this township. Never felt like 583 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:53,680 uh involved in the township. Never felt accepted. So I feel like um having more 584 00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:57,440 diverse areas for like kids my age to go to would be great. 585 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,200 » Thank you, Adrian. >> Thank you. Thank you. 586 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:05,119 » All right. and then I'll do one last call for 587 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,720 » I just have one question because I'm familiar with um building a skateboard 588 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:13,200 park. So, how is it going to be funded? Is there a skateboard coalition that's 589 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:16,160 funding this or is it the township that's funding it? 590 00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:20,480 » So, again, a level set and again trying to wage what to say in in our comment 591 00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:25,599 period versus what to engage in um without drawing out public comment. Um 592 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,839 but essentially there has been a proposal by an a third party 593 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:35,599 organization nonprofit organization Adrian and their mother is is a part of 594 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:39,839 it uh to offer to fund it. I don't think it's accurate that the township was 595 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:43,119 willing to uh split 50% of the cost in the past. In the past, what was 596 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:48,319 proposed, and this and this was even before I I was sitting here, uh, was 597 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:53,359 that, hey, once you have, you know, basically half of $500,000, $250,000, 598 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:58,640 come back and see if maybe we'll give you a spot. And how we landed here was, 599 00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:02,720 wow, that's after a few years of trying it that way, correct me if I'm wrong, 600 00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:07,599 um, you know, actually, how could I ask a donor to donate to my organization to 601 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:11,200 work with a township that may not be ready to give me space to do that? So 602 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:16,240 they came here and said, you know, can we restart that and refresh how that is 603 00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:21,359 worked out? Our position at this time is to offer an opportunity for the skate 604 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:25,200 park to build skate facility somewhere in our township. We've been doing due 605 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,359 diligence on this and have come to the conclusion that McKelby is an ideal 606 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:35,200 potentially ideal location. That is one of the questions before us today uh 607 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:38,079 after that due diligence period. And uh that's really the question before us 608 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:42,160 today is whether they'll have the opportunity to then go forth do the 609 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,880 design knowing that there's going to be um tacit conceptual approval of the idea 610 00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:51,839 of a skate park facility at this location provide that they uh go out and 611 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:56,000 do the fundraising. We'll offer services that um are not necessarily capital 612 00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,800 expenditures. They're going to be things like additional engineering services. um 613 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,560 park and recck staff is going to of course consider it as something that 614 00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,560 we're working on. But beyond that, at this time, our capital expenditures are 615 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:14,640 caught up in actually bringing about 10 acres of park online this this year and 616 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:16,640 uh a rec center. So that's not uh out of our tax. 617 00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:19,440 » Okay. I just want to be Yeah. >> Yeah. I hope that helps. Thank you. 618 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,359 » Uh for those who might be newer to the conversation, um if there are no other 619 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:28,000 public comments, what we'll clarify is this motion reading and then we'll go 620 00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:31,520 ahead and have this conversation. Uh, I don't see any other further public 621 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,920 comment. So, Commissioner Goldberg, please, as chairman of the Parks and 622 00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:39,520 Recreational Resources Committee, please read your motion. 623 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,920 » Thank you, Madam President. Okay. I move that the board of commissioners 624 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:47,599 designate an area at McKelie Park to allow the Springfield Township 625 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:53,119 Skateboard Association the opportunity to design a community 626 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:56,640 skate park. The designation of the area shall be conditioned upon the 627 00:47:54,640 --> 00:48:01,280 association preserving the existing trees and limiting the impervious 628 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:06,800 surface to no more than that of the previous basketball court that occupied 629 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:10,319 that location. In addition, the so the association shall be required to present 630 00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:14,560 plans for the skate park review and recommendation by the parks and 631 00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:18,160 recreation advisory committee. The director of parks and recreation shall 632 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:22,640 arrange for public notice to be provided by mailing notice of the meeting to all 633 00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:26,559 property owners located within 500 ft of the park perimeter and by posting notice 634 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:31,280 of the meeting at the park property, which I should note we did again for 635 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,319 this meeting. Construction of the skate park shall not occur until permission 636 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:38,720 has been granted by the board of commissioners at at a regularly 637 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,119 scheduled meeting. That concludes my motion. 638 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:45,599 » We have a motion. Is there a second? Second. Any questions or comments on the 639 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,960 motion? And Brendon, maybe you start since you started. 640 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,440 » Um, yeah, I could lead off with some, you know, I'm just trying to address 641 00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:58,480 some of the questions that were out there. Um, you know, some of the 642 00:48:54,319 --> 00:49:01,440 questions really were about um how this would be handled down the line. This is 643 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:06,079 just really the beginning of the process. So, you know, the the engineers 644 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:11,760 will have to look at everything as far as storm water runoff, the grading. Um, 645 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:14,960 you know, they're going to be examining the trees that are there to make sure 646 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:19,920 that they're safe, that they're not getting compacted by any construction 647 00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:24,400 that we're doing. So there are a ton of things that still need to be fleshed out 648 00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:30,400 down the line there, you know, as was indicated in the motion um that you know 649 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:36,319 there's going to be additional meetings, reports and opportunities for input even 650 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:42,960 if at this point in time we were to uh give the task approval to to build a 651 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:47,440 skate park at that location. Um, you know, as far as the green space, uh, one 652 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:51,359 gentleman I think kind of pointed out, you know, we're not taking away all 653 00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:56,559 those trees. We're not taking away all the green space. You know, if you look 654 00:49:53,839 --> 00:50:02,720 at the aerial photographs of the area, you know, you can see where the um, 655 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:08,480 basketball court was very clearly um, if you take a look on there. And so it does 656 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:13,040 leave still a great strip of grass where people can, you know, sit at picnic 657 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:17,200 benches, you know, and it would be as wide as you see wrapping around the 658 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:20,720 basketball courts. Um, you'd see it on that end of the park. And then there 659 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:26,160 would still be a nice patch of grass between uh any potential skate park and 660 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:32,319 the playground that exists there as well. Um, you know, there's talk about 661 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:37,760 losing green space. you know, this is just it's a manicured piece of lawn. Um, 662 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,720 you know, which is a little bit different when we're talking about open 663 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,520 space, you know, which is typically where we're we're talking about trying 664 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:51,280 to have uh, you know, meadow areas that are, you know, used for um, wildlife and 665 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:55,119 for also helping with drainage and other storm water runoff. You know, this 666 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:59,119 really isn't serving that purpose there. A lot of what's under there is is still 667 00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:04,720 some remnants of a dismantled basketball court. um you know and and the 668 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:10,319 basketball court really was not there much long very long ago. Um so it's you 669 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:16,319 know it's not a a major change there. In addition, you know, we're talking about 670 00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:22,079 a space that's about 60 ft by 90 ft and at the same time we are working on 671 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:28,319 opening a park in Orland that's less than a half mile away that would be 600 672 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:34,079 feet by 400 ft. Uh so greatly dwarfing this patch grass and it's not to say 673 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:39,760 that any space is not valuable but you know we are also really looking out for 674 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:45,359 Warland in this section of our township and you know going to have a a worldass 675 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:50,000 park there in the not too distant future which I think uh will greatly benefit 676 00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,640 Orland as well as the whole of the township. 677 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:56,640 Um >> just for everyone's benefit that's the t 678 00:51:54,400 --> 00:52:02,079 former tank car property that Brendan's >> and walnut 679 00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:06,160 » you know is where it is there. Um and then I think you know personally I 680 00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:11,280 would echo echo some of the comments and particularly of the young man who came 681 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:16,640 up here just talking about how um you know we've done a lot for children with 682 00:52:13,359 --> 00:52:21,760 team sports uh but you know we we don't offer anything for individuals and I 683 00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:28,800 think this would be a great use of of space. It's in a a commercial district. 684 00:52:25,359 --> 00:52:33,119 It's at an already established park. Um I guess one other question is about the 685 00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:37,920 lighting and that's more to um from a security standpoint not to allow for 686 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:42,960 activity to run through the night. It's just that you know people can't go there 687 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:47,200 under the cover of darkness and and get away with anything you know which was 688 00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:51,119 another important factor in in our evaluation. 689 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:53,839 And you know that I think those were the things that I want to touch on but I 690 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,680 know there were some other questions as well that others might want to address. 691 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,559 If I could just set the stage for fellow commissioners here, I think uh to the 692 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:06,400 point of some individuals saying, you know, what exactly are we voting on? 693 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:12,240 What are the questions here? And I think it narrows down to two. One, uh do we 694 00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:15,520 think skate as an activity has value to our township? And do we want I guess 695 00:53:13,839 --> 00:53:19,280 that's one question. Do we want skate park somewhere in our township? And time 696 00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:23,839 and time again, that question has come before us, has come before park and 697 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:27,839 wreck. uh and the answer has been yes without any strong qualifying nos. I'm 698 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:32,800 not saying that there aren't any merits to saying no. I think it's fine to to 699 00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:37,599 land a different way but uh overall that has been the first hurdle and then here 700 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:40,240 we're at a point where do we like it at Mckelby and that's what we're talking 701 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:45,280 about here. We're talking about evaluating our parks. Do we like it at 702 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:48,640 McKelby Park? uh and by function of liking it here not to necessarily 703 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,280 discount the other parks but say that we've gone through a due diligence 704 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,839 period have considered the other parks and do we find this to be the best 705 00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:59,920 avenue and that's what that motion is addressing that we're providing this 706 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:03,200 opportunity at McKelby Park and I think those are the two questions that we 707 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:06,880 basically have to answer. I think yes, skate for the reasons that Brendan and 708 00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:13,839 others alluded to, providing a space for individual sports uh is is a strong um 709 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:17,920 argument uh among others and just just to enhance our parks with this amenity. 710 00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:22,319 Uh one of the things about skate also is putting skate closer to neighborhoods as 711 00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:25,440 opposed to far away. I know somewhere along the way I've read why don't we 712 00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:31,839 make it more of a larger destination center at at Walnut Lane at Walnut AB 713 00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:34,400 and hey as a non-expert just reading through this at first that really 714 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:38,079 appealed to me. I said wow that sounds really great. We're building this new 715 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:43,359 park and as we peeled back the layers of diligence actually that wouldn't be the 716 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:46,480 most advisable thing per skate park uh guidelines because of safety reasons or 717 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:51,599 and other reasons. Not saying it's impossible, but if you had to make a 718 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:54,400 decision, um I said, "Well, fine. We're talking about putting it in a safer 719 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,000 place, putting it closer to neighborhoods. We land ourselves here." 720 00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:01,200 Uh and so, do I like it, Mckelby? I think the answer for me is yes. Um 721 00:54:59,839 --> 00:55:05,520 Commissioner, if you make any further comment, uh some things I've heard, and 722 00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:08,240 I just don't want to lose sight of them because one of the things we've heard 723 00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:12,640 time and time again is are we considering community voices? I hope I 724 00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:18,160 mean I I think I do. I think I'm diligently trying to do that right now. 725 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:22,880 Uh but also this is about those who feel that they're not being heard because 726 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:26,319 they're saying no and we um may say yes and I just want you know to be mindful 727 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:30,400 of that and I understand that. I think we can uh come to the same facts and 728 00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:34,800 have different agree a different outcome on that and it's okay for us to disagree 729 00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:41,119 uh as we may have last month. Last month we said hey what about Cisco? Have we 730 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:44,079 fully vetted Cisco? I feel like sure I could throw that out to escape park 731 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:48,079 association and let you explore that a little bit more. Um and others said you 732 00:55:46,079 --> 00:55:51,520 know what uh given the parameters the rubric that we went through the 733 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:55,280 diligence we've gone through um that's really would be out of line with going 734 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,280 through that process we've landed on McKelby we should stick with that if we 735 00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:04,000 believe in Mckelby and fair enough a fair enough argument to me uh and again 736 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:09,040 you may have seen that outcome that we may not necessarily directly agreed but 737 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:13,359 uh we agree that Mckelby is a fine spot for it. Can I just make one more sure 738 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:16,799 comment, Susie? Also, this would be kind of what would be considered a pocket 739 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:22,559 skate park. It would be smaller than many many skate parks and 740 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:27,760 » and it would um it wouldn't attract like really like hot skateboarders coming 741 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:32,000 from other places. It would be for, you know, kids basically, you know, and 742 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:36,720 adults who are still in the game, but it wouldn't be one of these big challenging 743 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,960 ones like the one in FDR Park. It's it's not that scope at all. It's a it's a 744 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,960 small part >> and I can go on but I I know other 745 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,160 commissioners want to speak. So a other points that I heard by most you know 746 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:53,920 dissenting uh voices would be do we have enough evidence has our essentially the 747 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,160 question is do we do enough due diligence uh will we have professional 748 00:56:56,240 --> 00:57:01,440 feasibility studies. I think that is supposed to be born in the design 749 00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,040 process and with a, you know, working with our township engineer, working with 750 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,960 a director of parks and recreation and what parameters we want to set. And what 751 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:15,839 I hear is parameters include the trees being carved out and and um and being 752 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:21,599 considered uh sounds like a land area uh parameter um and consideration that we 753 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:24,799 will see its proof in design which we have not come to yet. Um and to 754 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:29,280 Brendan's point, this is the beginning of the process, not the end. Um, so 755 00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:33,920 those are the main and and the with the parameters I think that also solves the 756 00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:38,000 mitigation question as well. So those are some points that I think the 757 00:57:35,839 --> 00:57:42,480 community should know that I at least personally have used to contextualize my 758 00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:49,200 decision uh and I hope others here will or is doing so. Any other questions or 759 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:54,319 comments by the fellow commissioners? I guess to um to Rob's last point about 760 00:57:51,760 --> 00:58:00,319 this being a smallcale park, um I will say I had some concerns 761 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:04,000 at the beginning of this as to whether um whether McKelby made sense in terms 762 00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:10,640 of the size. >> Um and I had some questions about um you 763 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:15,280 know, is this really a big enough space um where it would be a meaningful um 764 00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:19,839 park for the people that that might want to use it. And um you know just 765 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:24,160 understanding I'm I've never skated my life and uh you know I wasn't as 766 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:29,280 involved as some of the others in this process. Um I will say one thing. Last 767 00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:33,680 week I was on vacation up in Massachusetts. Um and totally 768 00:58:32,079 --> 00:58:38,240 fortuitously um my daughter asked me to go to a 769 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:42,799 playground. We went um there happened to be a skate park right behind it. Um and 770 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:48,480 it was next to a playground. It was next to a basketball court. Um, and so I took 771 00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,480 the opportunity to take a look at it. Um, so I looked at it and it's it was 772 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:57,280 slightly larger than what we're contemplating at Mckelby, but not a 773 00:58:54,079 --> 00:59:02,400 whole lot. Um, and I could conceptualize in my mind what you know what somebody 774 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,400 could do in that space um, in terms of the people like like you, Adrian, that 775 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:13,119 that might use it. And I was like, okay, this makes more sense now. Um, I can see 776 00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:16,480 this working in a way that it would be um attractive for the people that that 777 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:22,640 want to use it while at the same time it's part of a greater um a greater area 778 00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:28,160 um that has other things like playgrounds, courts, things like that. 779 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:32,160 So, so um that circumstance kind of made me understand a little bit better um you 780 00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:36,799 know how this how this would be beneficial. So, so I think that's kind 781 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:40,880 of brought me off the fence um as to this particular location. Another thing 782 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:46,240 I would just say is there were some comments uh I think that were submitted 783 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:53,599 in writing um about um this becoming an eyesore down the 784 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:58,160 road. Um and and again just in uh doing a little research on the skate park that 785 00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:03,760 I happened to see last week up in Massachusetts was um that one's actually 786 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:08,000 been there since 1998. Um it was they did some additional work 787 01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:11,920 on it in 2007 and I'll tell you it doesn't look run down at all. Um so I 788 01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:19,359 think if you have the right maintenance, which I'm sure we will in this township, 789 01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:24,160 um we we we put a lot into that. Um I I don't see that becoming an issue either. 790 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:27,599 So um I'm inclined to to be in favor of this. 791 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:33,440 » Any other comments? >> Um I would say, you know, going back to 792 01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:38,559 why how this has come to this, right? The goal is to really have an amenity 793 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:43,920 for a constituency that's that's really been underserved. And as Adrian, you 794 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:49,920 know, was eloquating if that's a word. Um but so look, you know, none of these 795 01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:53,839 decisions are easy. Um when when you're creating something and something's being 796 01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:59,119 taken away, you know, um that's not an easy decision and no matter what we do, 797 01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:02,160 someone's not going to be happy or in most cases, no one's happy because you 798 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:06,960 know, you didn't get a full-size park and um you know, grass is taken away. 799 01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:12,240 But our go, you know, I think this board listened that this is something that we 800 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:17,280 wanted to find a home for. Um, it really spoke to us about the number of kids 801 01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:20,400 that that aren't served in in team sports and we have team sports 802 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,760 facilities out the wazoo. I mean, we're not the biggest and the brightest in, 803 01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:28,000 you know, in that category, but we still got fields, you know, fields galore. 804 01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:32,880 And, you know, even that's not enough sometimes, you know, for the teams that 805 01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,520 that won it. And a lot of kids do skate. Now, my kids didn't skate. I don't 806 01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:39,280 skate. I'll probably never use this thing, nor will my kids, but I know a 807 01:01:37,839 --> 01:01:44,000 lot of people do. I see people zipping around New Orleans all the time. um just 808 01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:47,200 on Labor Day, three or four kids and good to see them wearing helmets. We're 809 01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:51,040 skateboarding down Lyster Road towards downtown Orland. I've seen kids 810 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:57,200 skateboarding at the little um Marlo Field parking lot there. Um you know, 811 01:01:54,720 --> 01:02:01,920 there's no there's no jumps or anything. It's just like a little little paved 812 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:07,520 there. So, the goal was to to listen to that to find a home for it. And it was 813 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:12,319 easier said than done. Um, obviously the the um the community group that wanted 814 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:15,920 this, you know, first pitched Laurel Beach, which we really considered and 815 01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:18,640 ultimately is just not suitable. There really isn't an ideal spot. I know you 816 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,040 used the word ideal earlier. I didn't mean ideal, but we're trying to find the 817 01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:28,160 best because there is no ideal spot. We're not flush with these large parks 818 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:31,280 that we can can fit stuff in. And over the last, you know, since the beginning 819 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:36,799 of this year, I think we've been talking internally about what about McKelby? 820 01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:43,200 Let's look at that. And um it is a good option. Um the bad part is and there's 821 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:46,799 no I I used the term no sugar coating in previous meetings. Yeah, there's a nice 822 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,559 green spot there that wouldn't be there anymore or at least not in its current 823 01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:55,440 form. And Mark, I appreciate you coming and making a comment. I am not excited 824 01:02:53,680 --> 01:03:02,000 to be a part of taking that away from you and your kids. So that is just a big 825 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:06,079 con of the argument for McKelie Park is that there's a little nice green space 826 01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:09,839 that wouldn't be so green anymore. So I can't really argue with that point. It's 827 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:14,559 a totally valid point. Now some of the other stuff about process and um the 828 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:19,680 nitty-gritty I don't necessarily agree with. The rubric is not a science it's 829 01:03:16,559 --> 01:03:24,480 not scientific. It's one tool um to sort of do like a sanity check. You know 830 01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:27,200 anyone can say well this category should be more important than this category. 831 01:03:25,599 --> 01:03:31,359 let's wait it and you know you can make it any way you want. So we tried to be 832 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:35,200 as neutral on that as possible but it's not the only thing. Community feedback 833 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:40,640 you asked about we listen like yeah absolutely um it pains me to think that 834 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:46,720 my own constituents won't be happy with with a vote um and I hear that but again 835 01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:51,119 that's one part two like we we have to make tough decisions uh that might be 836 01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:56,079 unpopular with some people because we think it's ultimately better than not. 837 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:59,599 The one question was, you know, what's the better outcome? And I can't tell you 838 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:03,440 for sure what the better outcome, but I am thinking that for our community, for 839 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,440 the people that are underserved, for all the kids that want to skateboard, I 840 01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:12,720 think it is a better outcome. Um, McKelie is a it's a vibrant spot. Uh, 841 01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:17,839 there's an ice cream shop, there's a pizza shop, there's a market for snacks. 842 01:04:16,079 --> 01:04:20,559 Um, it's a place that, you know, kids can really be that. And Cisco has some 843 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:25,920 good points, too, but it doesn't have that. It's sort of like remote. It's on 844 01:04:22,559 --> 01:04:30,640 the edge of the township. Um Orland is very dense. There are tons of kids up 845 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:34,799 and bikes, skateboards, motorcycles. 846 01:04:32,319 --> 01:04:39,520 Um just coming and going. Like it would be a vibrant little spot. There's 847 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:44,000 already basketballs bouncing. Um and it just adds a little little to that 848 01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:48,079 downtown. Uh again, not crazy about losing grass because that serves a 849 01:04:45,599 --> 01:04:52,559 purpose, too. I'm not arguing that. But, you know, all that being said, I think 850 01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:57,599 McKelby is not ideal. I think it's the best from all we looked at. And we did 851 01:04:54,799 --> 01:05:04,000 look at every single park inside and out and some most of them really except 852 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:08,000 down to two. I mean, we didn't need a prof, you know, professional study to 853 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:14,160 know that we had to eliminate those for for obvious reasons. Um, so so that's 854 01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:19,680 where I am. I I think it's a good thing. Um, I think ultimately it will be a good 855 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:24,319 thing. Um, but I hear the people that don't want it and and would rather have 856 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:28,559 grants there. I really do. >> All right. Any other comments? 857 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,319 » Um, yeah, most of them have already been covered. So, um, to avoid redundancy, I 858 01:05:30,799 --> 01:05:36,559 won't go down that path, but um, obviously I agree that it's not ideal. 859 01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:42,079 Um, but I think that it's a viable option. 860 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:48,160 Um I think too when we think about a responsible approach to open space um 861 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:52,160 that doesn't always mean that every green space will be preserved but rather 862 01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:56,079 when there are shifts and changes to how space is used that there's really 863 01:05:53,920 --> 01:06:00,720 thoughtful consideration of the design and the intersection of the design and 864 01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:06,240 nature um and tree protection and shade. So, um I trust and assume that those uh 865 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:10,480 and there will be safeguards in place to make sure that those things are um are 866 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:15,520 considered and part of the uh design process. Um I also appreciate the 867 01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:20,400 clarification of what we're actually voting on, right? Um 868 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:26,240 right, we're not voting on the is this the ideal place, right? But we're voting 869 01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:30,160 on is is this um is this worth an opportunity to get some of these 870 01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:34,480 questions answered? Right? the the public comment and and the um both 871 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:38,079 written and offered brought up really valid questions many of which that I 872 01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:42,960 shared and I think a lot of us on the board shared right that that we don't 873 01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:46,720 know the answer to yet and we won't know some of those answers until we 874 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:51,200 greenlight an opportunity and if the answers aren't the answers that um we 875 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:55,280 expected we wanted or we like there are opportunities for nos along the way 876 01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:58,319 right that this is not a green light to go build the skatepark right that 877 01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:02,400 there's going to be checks and balances there's going to be opportun unities for 878 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:06,799 future votes. Um it's the it's the green light for an opportunity to start to do 879 01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:10,960 the information gathering, the design work, right? All the questions that we 880 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:16,079 have will be they will need to be answered, right? And it might be that 881 01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:20,160 the fundraising is not there and that some of the questions aren't answered 882 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:23,920 the way that they the skate park people wanted them and so it's not a go, right? 883 01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:27,039 I don't want that to happen for you, but I mean this is just like this is the 884 01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:31,280 green light for an opportunity, right? And to start their due diligence. Um, so 885 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:37,599 that felt important to me to understand about what we're voting for. 886 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,039 » All right, great. Uh, just because we talked a lot, 887 01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,960 I'm going to ask Rob go ahead and read that motion one more time just for the 888 01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:49,680 sake of of those in the room. >> Okay. So, I move that the board of 889 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:54,319 commissioners designate an area at McKelby Park to allow the Springfield 890 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:59,039 Township Skateboard Association the opportunity to design a community skate 891 01:07:56,559 --> 01:08:03,760 park. The designation of the area shall be conditioned upon the association 892 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:07,599 limiting the impervious surface to no more than that of the previous 893 01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:11,520 basketball court. In addition, the association shall be required to present 894 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:16,080 plans for the skate park review and recommendation by the parks and 895 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:19,839 recreation advisory committee. The director of parks and recreation shall 896 01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:24,480 arrange for public notice to be provided by mailing notice uh of the meeting to 897 01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:28,880 all property owners within 500 ft of the park perimeter and by posting notice of 898 01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:32,799 the meeting at the park property. Construction of the skate park shall not 899 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:37,600 occur until permission has been granted by the board of commissioners at a 900 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:42,400 regularly scheduled meeting. >> All right, we had a motion, we had a 901 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:48,080 second, we've had questions and comments uh by the board. No further comment. Uh, 902 01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:49,679 all in favor, please signify by saying I. 903 01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:56,759 » I. >> Any oppose? Say nay. All right. Please 904 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,759 record a unanimous vote. 905 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:06,239 » All right. That concludes our public comment period on uh for this meeting. 906 01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,920 We're now going to move into committee reports after which we'll do our 907 01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:15,359 managers report which we typically do on Mondays as a part of the agenda book. 908 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:18,480 Uh, and then here we go. Uh, as chairwoman of the community development 909 01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:21,759 committee, I don't have a report. So, we're going to move right into the 910 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:26,560 report of the chairman of the administrative fiscal affairs and zoning 911 01:09:23,679 --> 01:09:32,000 committee, Commissioner Lee. >> Thank you. U, Madame President, I have 912 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:35,440 several items. First, uh, regarding the bill listing, I move the board 913 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:39,799 commissioner approve the August check reconciliation in the amount of 914 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,799 1,271,544,80 915 01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:46,279 and the September bill listing in the amount of 931,2867. 916 01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:51,359 Motion. >> Uh, we have a motion. Is there a second? 917 01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:56,480 » Second. >> Any questions or comments on the motion? 918 01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,840 » All in favor, please signify by saying I. 919 01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,719 » I. >> Any oppose say nay. Hearing none, please 920 01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:06,560 record a unanimous vote. >> Uh, next I'd like to make an 921 01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:14,239 announcement about our budget schedule for 20 the 2027 budget. Um first meeting 922 01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:19,760 is meeting with our supporting agencies including the fire ambulance and 923 01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:25,040 planning commission on uh September 16th in this room at 700 p.m. Uh we will also 924 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:30,239 be scheduled to meet with candidates for the environmental advisory commission 925 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:37,199 beginning at 6:20 on that same date of September 16th. Uh the next meeting is 926 01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:42,800 our budget workshop on October 21st, 2026 at 7 o'clock. All of these meetings 927 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:47,679 are scheduled to be in this room. Next is our budget presentation, and I 928 01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:53,040 believe that is our regularly scheduled business meeting in November, which is 929 01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:57,520 November the 11th at 7:30 p.m. Our budget hearing and our budget adoption 930 01:10:55,600 --> 01:11:08,880 will both take place at our business meeting December the 9th at 7:30 p.m. 931 01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:12,000 Uh, next, resolution 1698. Uh, the board of commissioners has a 932 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:16,159 statutory obligation to adopt a resolution setting forth the minimum 933 01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:20,960 municipal obligations to properly fund the township's employee pension plans 934 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:25,120 and to incorporate the minimum municipal obligations into the succeeding year 935 01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:28,800 township budget. Therefore, I move that the board of commissioners adopt 936 01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:34,320 resolution 1698, the resolution establishing the 2027 punchin fund 937 01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:39,199 minimum municipal obligations for the three defined benefit and one defined 938 01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:41,120 contribution pension plans. That is my motion. 939 01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,800 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. 940 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:49,840 » Uh any questions or comments on the motion? And this is pretty similar to 941 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:54,000 last year's uh contribution. >> Correct. There is a there's about a 4% 942 01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:59,120 increase. Um it's generally reflects the increase in salaries across 943 01:11:56,400 --> 01:12:02,080 all the um operating departments specifically the biggest increase here 944 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,360 as a police department >> right and generally reflects inflation 945 01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:10,159 increases and so on. >> Yeah. 946 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:13,280 » Any further questions or comments? All in favor please signify by saying I. 947 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:18,239 » I. >> Any oppose say nay. Hearing none please 948 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:21,760 record unanimous vote. Next, regarding engineering services, I 949 01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:27,120 move board of commissioners authorize the 2027 hourly rate schedule for Woodro 950 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:32,320 and Associates municipal civil engineers. Fee schedule includes a 951 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:36,000 combined hour average hourly increase of 4.78%. 952 01:12:34,159 --> 01:12:40,719 The hourly dollar increase varies between $3 and $6 per hour depending 953 01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:43,360 upon position. That is my motion. >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 954 01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:47,199 » Second. >> Any questions or comments on the motion? 955 01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:53,040 I would just add that um you know typically whenever we consider uh a 956 01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:57,920 request for increase in rates um you know township staff does a good job of 957 01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:02,400 pulling the market getting feedback on what um the area municipalities pay. 958 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:07,360 We're typically and in this case really under average uh and obviously Tim and 959 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:11,679 his firm has been great. >> Uh yeah, I would agree. We have those 960 01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:15,840 materials. Typically, we review these on Monday night meetings and um you know 961 01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:19,440 have a pause, but we already saw these materials. Even though Tim's not here, I 962 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:23,360 would wish you were here. So, I think give them a chance to say good job and 963 01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:28,640 good work. Um I agree with that. Any other further questions or comments? 964 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:32,320 Hearing none. Um all those in favor, please signify by saying I. 965 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:38,080 » I. Any oppose? >> Please record a unanimous vote. 966 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:41,600 Next, regarding the township auditors, I move that the board of commissioners 967 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:45,760 reappoint Bergville and company certified public accountants to serve as 968 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:49,440 the Springfield Township Auditors to audit the township's financial 969 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:54,239 statements for the year ending December 31st, 2026, consistent with the audit 970 01:13:52,480 --> 01:14:00,719 engagement letter dated August 12th, 2026. Cost of the engagement is $24,200 971 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:06,320 plus an alternate in the amount of $4,800 to compile the pension activity 972 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:09,360 for the four pension funds. That is my motion. 973 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:14,080 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. 974 01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:17,040 » Any questions or comments on the motion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please 975 01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,400 signify by saying I. >> I. I. 976 01:14:17,679 --> 01:14:26,400 » I. All those opposed say nay. Hearing none, please record unanimous vote. 977 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:31,360 And finally, an announcement regarding the zoning hearing board. Township 978 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:37,440 Spring Township zoning hearing board will meet on Monday, September 28, 2026, 979 01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:43,199 7 p.m. here in this building to receive testimony on three applications. The 980 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:47,280 first is case 28, excuse me, 26-18, 981 01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:51,760 application of Miss Laura Downey, owner of the property located at 1005 982 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:55,679 Harstston Lane, Burtonheim. The owner seeks approval to construct a 983 01:14:53,360 --> 01:15:02,480 singlestory garage addition to the home that will reduce the required 12- foot 984 01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:09,679 wide side yard setback to 7' 8 in and reduce the aggregate sideyard setback 985 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:14,480 from 34t 8 in to 20t 8 in in width property zone in a residential district 986 01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:18,880 of 4. Second is case 26-9, 987 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:23,280 the application of Megan, Paul Cook, and Michael Davyy, owners of the property 988 01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:27,920 located at 716 East Willow Grove Avenue in Winmore. The owners seek approval to 989 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:32,719 construct a detached garage within the rear yard that is proposed to be 13' 6 990 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:37,760 ines in height. Accessory structures are limited to maximum 12 feet in height. 991 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:42,800 Property is zoned in the B residential district of W. 992 01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:46,960 And lastly, case 26-20, the application of Eric Irvine, owner of the property 993 01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:51,120 located at 44 West Mill Road in Flowertown. The owner seeks approval to 994 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:55,520 construct an addition to the home that will encroach into the side and rear 995 01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:00,800 yard setback areas. The proposed addition will reduce the sideyard to 5T 996 01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:07,280 instead of the required 8 foot in width. The rear yard is proposed to be 21t 6 in 997 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:11,679 in depth instead of the required 25 ft. property is zoned in the C residential 998 01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:15,040 district ward one. Copies of the application packets are available for 999 01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:20,000 review in the community development office in this building during normal 1000 01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:23,920 business hours or on our website at springfieldmonco.org. 1001 01:16:21,679 --> 01:16:31,199 Check it out. You can also contact the zoning department 2158367600 1002 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:37,040 extension 1114. Ask for mark. That concludes my report. 1003 01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:39,840 » Thank you, commissioners. Appreciate Um, 1004 01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:43,440 » you like his home phone number? >> I really felt that was in like a jingle 1005 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:47,360 for I was waiting for the song at the end. All right. Now, we're going to move 1006 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:52,159 to uh chairman of the Environmental Resources Committee, Commissioner May. 1007 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:57,360 » Thank you, Madam Chairwoman. I just have the recycling report left to report 1008 01:16:54,400 --> 01:17:02,560 here. And during the month of August 2026, Springfield Township residents 1009 01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:08,000 recycled 107.18 tons of material with a householder 1010 01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:13,000 participation rate of 51.5%. The net cost for the month was 19,22867. 1011 01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,159 That concludes my report. >> Thank you, Commissioner May. We will now 1012 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:25,760 move to Chairwoman of the Public Safety Committee, Commissioner McNamera. 1013 01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:28,880 » Thank you. Um, thanks. >> Um, I have one motion this evening. I 1014 01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:32,800 move that the board of commissioners authorize the execution of an agreement 1015 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:36,400 between Springfield Township and Lasowl College High School for daily traffic 1016 01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:39,679 control services provided by the Springfield Township Police Department. 1017 01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:44,400 The term of the agreement shall be for the 2026 2027 school year and provides 1018 01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:49,360 one hour of traffic safety control services between the hours of 7:15 and 1019 01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:54,000 8:15 a.m. on each day that the school is open. The total cost of the services is 1020 01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:56,480 $13,080. That is my motion. >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 1021 01:17:55,679 --> 01:18:02,000 » Second. >> Any questions or comments on the motion? 1022 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,800 » Uh just a reminder for the public, we've been doing this since 2017. Correct. 1023 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:09,040 » Correct. >> Okay. And what happened prior to 2017? 1024 01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:15,440 » Uh the township provided the service at their fee. Uh but uh when Chief PCO came 1025 01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:19,360 into office as a former traffic safety officer, he said, you know, this is uh 1026 01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:24,640 ridiculous. Uh we should be getting paid for this service. Uh so he very nicely 1027 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:29,040 brought the subject up with Lel and they were very cooperative and understood uh 1028 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:33,280 the need to pay for the service and have been doing so every year. 1029 01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,360 » All right. Thank you. All in favor please signify by saying I. 1030 01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:41,040 » I. >> Any oppose say nay. Hearing none please 1031 01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:44,800 record unanimous vote. >> And I believe that concludes I'm sorry 1032 01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:49,199 that concludes my report. Thank you. Great. Uh, next we move to Commissioner 1033 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:52,960 uh Morris, chairman of the cultural resources committee. 1034 01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:56,000 » I believe you made your announcement for the day. 1035 01:18:54,159 --> 01:19:00,000 » So, no further report. Thank you, Commissioner Morris. Uh, and then we 1036 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:05,040 move to Commissioner Goldberg, chairman of the parks and recreation res and 1037 01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:09,440 recreation resources committee. Commissioner Goldberg. 1038 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:12,960 » All right. No further report from Commissioner Goldberg. Thank you. Now, 1039 01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:17,199 we move to Commissioner Kirk, chairman of the Hold. Oh, I'm so sorry. You want 1040 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:20,719 to do reports like report report like workshop meeting reports? 1041 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:23,120 » Uh why don't we just do that down the line at the end consistent stuff like 1042 01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:26,480 that? >> Why don't we do that at the end just to 1043 01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:30,719 be consistent? >> Um commission 1044 01:19:29,440 --> 01:19:33,679 » Commissioner Kirk, chairman of the public works and facilities committee. 1045 01:19:32,480 --> 01:19:39,920 You're up next. >> Thank you Madame President. Uh, I have a 1046 01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:43,840 motion regarding a an agreement for pedestrian access easement for the uh 1047 01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:47,600 with the Springfield Township School District. I move that the board of 1048 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:51,199 commissioners authorize the execution of a pedestrian trail access agreement 1049 01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:55,120 between the school district of Springfield Township and Springfield 1050 01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:59,679 Township granting a temporary construction easement and permanent 1051 01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:03,120 pedestrian trail easement for the Springfield Township High School 1052 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:06,560 property. The agreement permits the installation and construction of a 1053 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:10,719 pedestrian trail to connect the township's Harson Woods property on Haw 1054 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:15,120 Lane with the high school property on Paper Mill Road. That is my motion. 1055 01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:19,760 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> Second. 1056 01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:25,199 » Any questions or comments on the motion? Um, I just I would comment that I I took 1057 01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:30,320 a look at the the the trail and it's it's pretty cool. And um it seems like 1058 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:34,719 it would benefit from a bench kind of at the midpoint of the the path and we 1059 01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:38,080 should talk about that when we have a chance because otherwise you're just 1060 01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:42,239 kind of scooting through there and there's no opportunity to just kind of 1061 01:20:39,679 --> 01:20:47,199 soak in the beauty of the woods. So, >> we have a a bench donation program and 1062 01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:50,800 perhaps the next person that wants to donate a bench, we ask Jim to maybe 1063 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:54,080 steer them towards that. >> That would be that'd be cool. Yeah. 1064 01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:57,320 » I think Commissioner Goldberg just signed up. 1065 01:20:58,159 --> 01:21:02,239 » Thank you. >> What's it cost? I want to know. 1066 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:07,760 Typically, they're not cheap. >> $3,500. Uh, 1067 01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:11,120 » yeah. So, that would be a no. I 1068 01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:14,880 wanted to comment that I believe the school district has already approved 1069 01:21:12,320 --> 01:21:21,120 this. The path is already there. This is uh just sort of stamping the access the 1070 01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:24,960 the public access right away and I believe there will be signage on the 1071 01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:30,640 school side regarding the notification of hours and so on. 1072 01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:34,480 » Right. So that's the only thing I wanted to make known to the public. Uh there's 1073 01:21:33,199 --> 01:21:37,199 been a motion. There's been a second. All in favor please signify by saying I. 1074 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:42,800 I. >> Any oppose? Say nay. Hearing none, 1075 01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:44,800 please record a unanimous vote. >> And I believe that 1076 01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,440 » that concludes my report. >> Beautiful. 1077 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:53,679 » All right. Now that we've reached the end of our committee reports, I'm going 1078 01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:58,080 to now move to the manager report, uh, which is what we typically do on a 1079 01:21:55,679 --> 01:22:03,280 Monday, not on a Wednesday. And that is tab B of our agenda books. 1080 01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:09,440 » Sure. Try and run through this pretty quickly. Um so the first item is the 1081 01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:15,040 2027 budget. Um Jim, Commissioner Lee, he uh reviewed the budget schedule. 1082 01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:19,760 That's really all that um that paragraph talks about. Um we do have the upcoming 1083 01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:24,080 meeting with the three fire companies and the ambulance association. Uh that 1084 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:28,880 was referenced in Jim's report. Uh that'll be on the 16th. So we'll look 1085 01:22:26,800 --> 01:22:32,320 forward to meeting with those folks. Are we going to reschedule with um I think 1086 01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,840 one of the fire companies was challenged for a scheduling issue because they 1087 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:40,639 received fire >> flower fire company is going to be out 1088 01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:45,679 of town. Uh their their key staff and and officers are going to be inspecting 1089 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:50,719 the new fire engine that being built out of Wisconsin. Um and they did not want 1090 01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:55,760 to delay the delivery of that equipment any further. Uh it's been on order for 1091 01:22:53,120 --> 01:23:00,400 over four years and uh I wanted to make sure that they got that. So, uh, yes, 1092 01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:04,639 we'll we'll reschedu with them. Uh, you had even mentioned that maybe when they 1093 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:07,040 accept delivery of the fire truck, it's an opportunity for them to show it off 1094 01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:11,600 to the commissioners. >> Yeah, I think that'd be a nice time. 1095 01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:15,360 » We can follow up with them on that. Um, the next item is the Environmental 1096 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:18,880 Advisory Commission on that same evening that we're scheduled to meet with the 1097 01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:23,280 fire companies and the ambulance association. You're going to meet 1098 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:28,000 beforehand at 6:20 p.m. to meet with four candidates for the environmental 1099 01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:32,320 advisory commission. Uh, one is a student representative and there are 1100 01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:36,639 three applicants for one vacancy as an associate member. So, just to mention 1101 01:23:34,560 --> 01:23:42,639 that and that meeting has been advertised. Um, September meetings, 1102 01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:47,760 we're in the middle of it right now. the um just a brief note that during the 1103 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:52,000 month uh Tim and I along with representative from representative 1104 01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:56,400 Nelson's office, state rep. Nelson's office met with uh family on Paul's Lane 1105 01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:02,719 to talk about their stream bank erosion concerns and we also met with a uh 1106 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:07,840 resident of Overbrook Lane for a similar matter. 1107 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:12,159 Not uncommon. We get those periodically. Uh the next item is a little bit more 1108 01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:18,400 interesting. Uh we met Tim and I met uh on the 31st of August with an individual 1109 01:24:15,280 --> 01:24:23,600 um in Windorf who lives at pretty much the middle of a pretty large watershed 1110 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:27,920 uh but has a property that provides and has we've had our eyes on for many years 1111 01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:31,840 an opportunity to maybe construct some storm water management facilities that 1112 01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:37,679 would help with downstream flooding in the Carile Road and Patton Road 1113 01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:42,719 neighborhoods. Um they're amanable to um a discussion anyway. uh they have a pond 1114 01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:46,159 on the property as it stands and they want to rehabilitate it and they just 1115 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:49,360 wanted to know what what what are they in for when they try and rehabilitate 1116 01:24:47,920 --> 01:24:53,920 this thing. Um what are they what are the um the hand grenades they have to 1117 01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:57,840 look out for and u the regulations and and Tim was real helpful in helping them 1118 01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:02,719 out with that. We used that opportunity to kind of introduce the concept of a 1119 01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:06,639 stormwater detention basin and as I said they're open to it like to learn a 1120 01:25:04,639 --> 01:25:11,040 little bit more about it. So Tim's going to arrange for a wetlands mitigation 1121 01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:15,760 specialist to meet him out there and see what we might be dealing with in terms 1122 01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:19,199 of permitting uh for that if anything um because you know there's some cat eye 1123 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:23,679 tales there and sometimes if they're man-made um you can get rid of them. Uh 1124 01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,960 other times you have to allow them to stay in place and there's some 1125 01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,199 permitting obligations that we might have there. So 1126 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:33,760 » that would be a great opportunity. I know it to to Mike's point it really 1127 01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:38,480 impacts the rivers downstream. It's at the, you know, an apex of a hill, if you 1128 01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:43,760 will, and uh the neighbors downstream, particularly at Parallel, we have a 1129 01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:46,880 drain there, and uh we're regularly responding to that area to help those 1130 01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:50,239 neighbors out. So, that would be wonderful. 1131 01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:53,760 » Yeah. For those of you who aren't familiar with the exact location, it's 1132 01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:57,440 at the intersection of Evergreen and Arbor. 1133 01:25:55,440 --> 01:25:59,520 Love it. Yeah. It's beautiful. It's a really beautiful neighborhood. Beautiful 1134 01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,320 property >> and rare a lot, 1135 01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,120 » right? and rare that we'd have the opportunity to do so modern mitigation 1136 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,440 in that area. >> It's all privately owned. So, 1137 01:26:07,199 --> 01:26:14,480 » you need a cooperative land owner. Next item is um the College Avenue 1138 01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:17,280 neighborhood. Um we've got um a rodent issue that was brought to our attention. 1139 01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:22,159 There's an individual in the neighborhood that maintains uh pigeons 1140 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:26,239 in an outdoor coupe. And for a period of time, the pigeons, which are kind of 1141 01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:30,239 messy birds, uh were spreading the feed all over the place. and that was of 1142 01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:35,120 course attracting robots to the neighborhood. Um so um we've been 1143 01:26:33,760 --> 01:26:38,880 working with the McGomery County Health Department to try and mitigate that. 1144 01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:44,719 That homeowner has been very responsive and cooperative. Um unfortunately when 1145 01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:49,920 the H County Health Department responds and they see evidence of rodent trails 1146 01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:53,600 on other properties, um they require those individuals to get professional 1147 01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:56,800 extermination services as well to try and eradicate the problem. Um, 1148 01:26:55,520 --> 01:27:00,880 fortunately, everybody in the neighborhood has been cooperative in 1149 01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:04,719 that regard. There's one individual who's been a bit of a challenge. Uh, but 1150 01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:09,440 Pat has been working with that individual as well as the the county 1151 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:14,480 health department. So, we are um hopeful that we're going to get a handle on that 1152 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:19,280 pretty soon. Beth has been in contact with the neighbors. She's walking 1153 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:23,679 » spent some time out there. So, she >> of the rat trails. 1154 01:27:21,360 --> 01:27:26,400 » He saw the trails with her own eyes. Did you get Did you get catch one? 1155 01:27:25,280 --> 01:27:29,199 » I did not. >> Are they carrier pigeons or just 1156 01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:32,719 pigeons? >> Uh I think they're racing pigeons. 1157 01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:36,320 » Interesting. >> Where they take them out and then they 1158 01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:38,960 bring them back. That's what I was >> Oh, cool. 1159 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:45,199 » led to believe anyway. I haven't spoken with the individual. 1160 01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:50,560 Um last item to bring just just an FYI. Um you may or may not be aware of it 1161 01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:57,360 that since co um the dental industry have been hit with um red increased 1162 01:27:54,719 --> 01:28:01,760 costs to provide services and reduced reimbursements or no increases to the 1163 01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:06,800 reimbursements from the dental insurance companies uh which has led to some 1164 01:28:04,159 --> 01:28:12,080 dental providers dropping some of their dental insurance plans that they worked 1165 01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:17,040 with in the past. Um we haven't had any complaints um within the the township 1166 01:28:15,199 --> 01:28:22,719 from employees who have had that happen to them. Um we provide two dental plans 1167 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:27,360 at present. One is an ethnic plan that's included with the health insurance plan 1168 01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:30,960 um that that is provided. Um very few people take advantage of that. In fact, 1169 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:34,400 everybody upgrades to the Delta Dentl that we offer. Uh but Delta Dentl has 1170 01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:39,440 been one of those providers that have been losing participating dentists. Um 1171 01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:43,920 and our health trust of which we are one of the founding members um has heard 1172 01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:48,800 that from other members and as a result has arranged for United Concordia to be 1173 01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:52,800 another um plan that our employees could purchase up into um if their dentist is 1174 01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:58,719 a participating provider. So we're surveying our employees to see how much 1175 01:28:54,800 --> 01:29:06,000 interest there is in that tooth. >> Wow. He wrote that down waiting for that 1176 01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:10,639 all night. Okay, >> I think the remainder of your items are 1177 01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,880 executive. Uh at this time, I'll re we'll have gone through every item in 1178 01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:19,199 the our agenda book. I'll reopen the floor to public comment. Uh for those on 1179 01:29:17,280 --> 01:29:24,239 Zoom, there is no one else remaining in the room. So at this time, uh the board 1180 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:27,600 will be adjourning to meet in an executive session to discuss one 1181 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:32,320 personnel matter and four litigation matters. Uh so I will now accept a 1182 01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:36,080 motion to adjourn the public portion of the meeting. So moved. 1183 01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,400 » We have a motion. Is there a second? >> All in favor, please signify by saying 1184 01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:42,840 I. >> I. 1185 01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,840 » The meeting is so adjourned.