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recommendations a MoU was asking for to

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adequately funding infrastructure

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programs provincial support for robust

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prevention and response bill 108 was

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discussed and I'll pass some information

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on to our Planning Department about that

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and ended indigenous relations

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throughout the province was discussed as

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well and I think that's about all there

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was other things so but those are kind

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of some of the key hype they think of

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councillor Dodge as well we have the

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face or the face retreat Christmas

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market coming up on December 7th that's

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in the evening I think it starts at 3

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o'clock and goes until 8 o'clock

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councillor Williamson just in terms of

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the new information on the budget

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process does that go through you to the

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clerk does that conform with our

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procedure of bylaw I thought we could

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make amendments any time

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for clarity sake it's not that they

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can't be made amendments can definitely

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be brought the evening of it's just that

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stuff there's 24 hours to be able to

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prep them so that's why we have the

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second budget night set aside over the

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last couple of years thank you

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okay thanks for the clarification okay

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and then we also have a public meeting

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that's regarding a proposal for the

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former merit in high school and I would

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just remind Council as well on December

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12th we have the public meeting on the

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new community improvement plan and that

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takes place at City City Council

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Chambers here at 6:00 p.m. all welcome

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and on the planning one just remind

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council your role isn't to take a

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position on a proposed plan that's in

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front of us if you're at a community

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event like that your role is to listen

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and again under the Planning Act if

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you're out there saying what your

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position is when it comes to actual

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decision making time which could be

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three months down the road you could be

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compromising yourself by saying I'm

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against this right away without even

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hearing any of the actual planning

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report coming in so just be mindful that

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when you're out there listen to what the

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residents are saying but if you are out

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there also saying I'm against this I

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will fight this tooth and nail

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what essentially is you're saying is

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you're not even willing to listen to the

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planning regulation and then you could

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put yourself in jeopardy Lenovo that's

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all so just be mindful when you're going

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to the community events as well as

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everyone heard last Friday the Ombudsman

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issued its long-waited report for the

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region in the hiring of the regional CEO

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and his contract extension so this was a

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very thorough report and I'm only

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bringing it to counsels attention

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because obviously the public is talking

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about this it seems to be one of the the

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most talked about subjects over the last

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three days and as a member of this

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council will be looking at is some of

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the recommendations that came out of

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there we'll look at our policies as well

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just make sure that if we can tighten up

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any of our policies it's always

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important when you have an ombudsman

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report coming out it's not just it's not

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just native to what would be the the

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region but if they if local

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municipalities can learn from any of the

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processes in place that would be

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important as well so we'll be asking

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staff to look at his recommendations and

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see if we have to update any of our

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policies that's why I bring it up here

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as well and with that I'll look to the

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clerk and we can go on with the agenda

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three mr. mayor this evenings agenda the

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changes one of two reasons to go

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in-camera has been actually deferred so

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it's a proposed or pending acquisition

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or disposition of land so it's Realty

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file 87 35 so that will not be in closed

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session this evening council agenda item

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- motion regarding one-month

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appointments for the deputy mayor has

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been revised so that that would state to

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start in 2021 okay so the full revised

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motion will be on the screen shortly the

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following items have been added to

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councils SugarSync folder prior to this

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evening's meeting a memorandum from

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staff Ontario electricity rebate

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confidential memorandum from the clerk

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regarding citizen appointments on the

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following firefighters memorial task

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force and that's it Thank You Bonnie

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is there any amendments to the councilor

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bouncing Thank You mr. mayor I'm asking

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if we can go to eleven point two eleven

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point two before we deal with three

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point five in general committee and I'm

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not sure that require a vote on counts

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to make that change you got me agenda

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okay so the request is 11.2 to be moved

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prior to the discussion on the

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appointment of the deputy mayor

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so council us to vote on this all in

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favor opposed pregnant no it's not on

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this one not yet not yet but if you were

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thinking about the conflict it's not on

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this one okay so that has been moved

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counselor once and you have a delegation

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to add please okay Jane Hanlon has been

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added as a speaking all in favor of the

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addition of the speaker speaking to the

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tree canopy that the the forestry issue

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okay carried any other changes okay kind

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of a mover and a seconder for the agenda

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councillor Sorrento councillor Kushner

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all in favor

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carried any conflicts of interest

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tonight and you can declare when an

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issue comes up no conflicts a currently

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adoption in the minutes councillor

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Harris you're up for a regular meeting

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self seconded by Councillor Garcia that

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council adopt the minutes of the

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meetings of Council held on Monday

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November 18th 2019 any comments on the

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minutes okay seeing none all in favor

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Carrie next move by myself second by

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councillor Garcia the council adopted

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held on Monday November 18

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2019 okay any comments in these minutes

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seeing none all in favor Carrie

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committee and looking for motion to

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remove consent reports councillor

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moved by myself the council approve the

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consent agenda same except those items

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okay I'll look to the clerk the CDs

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consent agenda 2.1 Planning and Building

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Services code of conduct for building

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officials policy update 2.2 planning and

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holding designation from zoning address

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of October 28th 2.5 financial management

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counsel correspondence Custer Dodge can

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withdraw or no finance withdrawal of a

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yeah 2.2 are you talking about the

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consent agenda counselor sorry yes I am

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okay so I just pulled and then it was it

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was withdrawn it was also it's not it

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and it's no it's parking consent now

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okay yes Kelsey Garcia yes

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so do we have some Brock students at the

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back okay yeah you'll be coming up

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forward to present shortly just want to

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welcome you here and for the other folks

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here what we just did was there's a

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number of items that go on consent means that council has reviewed

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those files they see nothing in them

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that they want to ask questions for so

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they get passed as a block and so we

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just went through six items that then

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they're passed as a bundle

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okay so councils reconvened public

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meeting pursuant to the Planning Act

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there is none we have a special

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presentation by en Y so Ernst and Young

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and if I could have the presenters come

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forward and speak yeah sorry

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our CEO is going to speak to this first

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invite the speakers to come on just as a

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little bit of introduction before the

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speakers arrive as council is aware we

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received grant funding from the province

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to perform an audit and accountability

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audit I think sorry about it redundant

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but this was to help us to be find

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opportunities to be more efficient to

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modernize service delivery and at the

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same time protecting frontline jobs so

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the consultant that was successful to

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our RFP was Ian Y and they have worked

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diligently from September to November

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very short time period meeting with all

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of our directors are and their direct

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reports we scoped as your where we

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scoped the audit principally to be

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concerned with our new municipal works

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the fe s and C RCS predominately looking

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at large mobile workforces and ways in

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which can we can be more efficient and

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ways in which that whole reorganizing

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our organization of our corporation can

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be more effective not surprising they

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found that looking at those

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opportunities that some of the

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opportunities are also applicable to the

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whole corporation so as they take us

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through just a very high-level summary

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of the report you will hear basically a

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number of transfer transformational

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operational opportunities that stage

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staff will be working on in the next

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foreseeable future so we have Mohamed

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bhajami sargi clothes and Fahim cutter

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welcome welcome to City Council

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so just identify yourself for the public

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again here so we have an unofficial

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my name is Mohammad bomani and this is

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faheen Cotter Dena and I'm an associate

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partner at Ernst & Young's government

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public sector practice Fahim is the

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senior manager in the practice and we're

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here to give you a little bit of a

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background on the work that we have done

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I was just getting a cough drop so I

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so thank you very much for the

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opportunity to come here and and and

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have this discussion with you today I

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know you've all had a chance to take a

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look at the at the final report that we

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submitted what I'm going to do over the

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next few minutes is just give you a

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brief overview on some of the components

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of it and then we'll we'll open it up to

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any any questions that you have it's

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thinking thinking so I'm just going to

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take you to some specific slides that

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we're gonna be talking towards perfect

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so just as bit of an of an overview the

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audit and accountability fund was

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launched by the Ontario government and

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2019 to give me Anissa pallet II as an

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opportunity to have to do third-party

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reviews to identify opportunities for

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greater efficiency for modernization

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I'm getting there I promise here we go

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almost there we go still going the wrong

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way

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I'll keep talking till to look for

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opportunities for four modernizations

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and for efficiencies so we we I joined

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the city in September to begin our review it it

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was really meant to be it includes a

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high-level analysis of the city as a

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whole but as the CEO had mentioned that

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the focus was on expenditures operations

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and services of four departments and

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that is planning and building services

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municipal works engineering facilities

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and environmental services and community

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recreation and cultural services what we

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found as we went through is that a

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number of the opportunities that we

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found go really across the entire

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corporation and so we'll talk a little

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bit about that in a moment our approach

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was to gather as much data as we could

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financial data any types of reports any

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previous audits so on we conducted a

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whole series of stakeholder interviews

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multiple sessions with different parts

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of the organization and we looked at

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some leading practices that are done

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around the country in other

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municipalities work that we at ey have

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done we have a lot of time and

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experience in the municipal sector to

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see what those opportunities are and

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what we've been able to do is put those

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opportunities into succinct business

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cases they've been categorized if they

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can be quantified we we've done that and

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we'll talk about that in a moment and

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then we validated it with members of the

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senior leadership team and that has

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resulted in the report that you have

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today so there is obviously if you've

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seen the report it's dense there's a lot

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of information and data we're not going

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to go through every single slide that we eat that we had in here but

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there are a couple of things that I

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wanted to draw your attention to in

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terms of what we found if we look at

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revenue and expenditures across the city

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as a whole tax revenues have grown by a

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compounded annual growth rate of about

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3.6 percent between 2014 and 2019

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expenditures have grown at 3.1 percent

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so while it is good that the growth of

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your revenues are essentially exceeding

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the growth of your expenditures both are

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in fact exceeding your population growth

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rate and so that will at some point not

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be sustainable over the longer term

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the low growth rate is largely a result

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of a continued focus by the city of st.

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Catherine's on actively managing

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expenditures while maintaining services

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so what we found as we went through and

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talked to everybody in the organization

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and looked at the data is that you have

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a relatively lean organization leaner

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than many of the other ones that we've

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had a chance to to to look at and the

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approach that that the city has made to

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expenditure management has been focused

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on managing that incremental demand as

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through existing resources and that has

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really pushed the capacity of existing

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resources just a couple of the other

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things that I draw your attention to is

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that while service levels performance

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metrics and other forms of measurement

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and information collection are common

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across divisions they're not always

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explicitly shared and they're not always

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explicitly managed directly as

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performance metrics and so the the need

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for that transparency being tied to

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citizen outcomes would be a leading

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practice that the city should should

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consider in a number of our interviews

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we thought we saw that there were

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challenges around some of the recruiting

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and retaining of staff that that the

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there's quite a component of the

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workforce here that relies on mobility

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to do its job and that that needs to be

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to you know to an extent cultivated

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because it has the ability to drive a

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lot of productivity and the work that we

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do okay I will say that I did see full full disclosure here we notice that

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it says eight municipalities on that

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previous slide we know it's 12 so we saw

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it don't worry we'll fix that I'm sorry

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I hope you're not for shadows for shame

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I know for shame the subsequent slides

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should go into some relative detail on each of the different areas we're not

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going to necessarily go through that

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right now today but they do want to talk

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about the the opportunities that that we

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have identified

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so really even though the focus was on

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PBS municipal works

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EFE s and crcs there were a lot of areas

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where we can see advantages for the

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entire city to focus on and so we've put

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these business cases or these

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opportunities into into into two

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components and here they are here

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there's transformational opportunities

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which broadly means there are

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initiatives that cut across divisional

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boundaries and will likely require a

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centralized approach and will have

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impacts beyond just the four in scope

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departments they're not as likely to

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immediately result in direct savings but

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in the medium to long term they will

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improve decision-making they will

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provide better support to SLT and to

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counsel and better demonstrating the

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link between the services that you

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deliver and the outcomes that you that

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are experienced by by your citizens the

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other ones at the bottom of the screen

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there are operational opportunities now

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these are the ones are largely for the

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in scope divisions such as EF ES and so

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on

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these opportunities are contained to

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those divisions that are more likely to

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generate short medium term direct

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savings cost avoidance released capacity

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or increased productivity okay these are

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all laid out in the in the report that

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we that we have them again there's a lot

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and there's quite dense so I'm not going

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to necessarily go through them right now

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but I'm happy to take the questions that

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you will have I will just jump down here

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so there's obviously an explanation of

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each each one of these in terms of what

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the current state the opportunity what

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the benefits are

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I did want to talk a little bit about

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the engagement that we had with what the

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SLT and the prioritization process so

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something like this requires the buying

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and the participation of all the senior

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leaders within the organization and so

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we had multiple touch points with with

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SLT and that included very early on to

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identify what opportunities they saw

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what are the you know appropriate

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criteria that we might be thinking about

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when we're looking at different

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opportunities we came back with those

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options to have them validated by SLT

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and then we went through a

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prioritization exercise these are the four that made it to the top of

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the prioritization for SLT in terms of

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what was important to them that was to

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look at IT modernization it was a focus

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on evidence-based decision making it's

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about making a modern workplace strategy

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and on the more operational side was

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modernizing or building permit and

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inspections program and we had an

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opportunity to also try and develop

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essentially a modernization program for

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the city and this is how SLT has decided

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the prioritization and the

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interdependencies between making these different opportunities actually

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happen it was an absolute pleasure to

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work with the team here I will say the

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senior management team here and staff

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were a hundred and fifty percent

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cooperative and came forward with all

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the data as required we were here a lot

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we were in front of your team a lot they

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were unbelievably accommodating and

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really committed to having a good review

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that can really show some demonstratable

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results going forward and that's all I

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have am happy to answer any questions

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and thank you very much for your

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presentation counselors rental yeah

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Thank You mr. mayor three years you a

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mr. bomani could you just tell the

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public at home what efficiencies you've

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found and in and any cost savings just

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in general lay terms if you could sir

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please sure so I'll say that the when we

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talk about efficiencies there's multiple

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ways to identify what efficiencies are

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right there is the immediate savings of

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actual cash there is the avoidance of

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spending later on there is the actual

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capture of capacity to be able to spend

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time on other things and so a lot of the

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efficiencies that we found would relate

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as I said earlier on you're at capacity

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you you you've really grown as a city

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very lean Lee here here here within City

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Hall so the opportunities is to find

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better more efficient more productive

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ways to do things to release that

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capacity to focus it on on other things

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and on the slide we have here we're

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looking a little bit at some of those

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opportunities these focus a little bit

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more on the bottom seven so digital

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service delivery trying to have more

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services go online because they are

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generally cheaper to to process than the

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ones that are done face-to-face process

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automation is especially for our back

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office services is an emerging

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opportunity at all municipalities Fahim

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and I are doing this at three or other

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many municipalities and that is a key

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theme for all back offices is to stop to

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the extent that we can doing those

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transactional activities with with

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individuals and allow them to focus on

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those value-added things and have those

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things go through an automation it's

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looking at our infrastructure program of

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trying to rationalize our facilities and

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how we look at real property looking to

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partnerships and you have some good

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examples with the Meridian Center and

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the Canada Games Park on how you do that

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with other municipalities in the region

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looking at your building permits and

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inspections areas to try and make that a

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little bit more efficient and more more

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customer friendly and looking at the

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citizens first operating model as well

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did you find some cost savings as well I again not it not specifically in

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terms of a dollar savings there are

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things you can do to prevent those costs

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from going up into the future and being

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more efficient just one final question

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mr. mayor you mentioned something about

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you mentioned the percentages our

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revenue is is larger than our our debt

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and then you mentioned something about

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being unsustainable are you talking

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about revenue are you talking about the

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incorporation what were you referring to

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sheriff could be both sure so when I

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mentioned that the the average annual

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growth rate over the last five years of

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your revenues is about 3.6 percent okay

552
00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:10,500
right

553
00:23:10,500 --> 00:23:12,270
the average annual growth rate of your

554
00:23:12,270 --> 00:23:16,050
expenditures is 3.1 percent so it's good

555
00:23:16,050 --> 00:23:18,150
that your revenues are growing at a

556
00:23:18,150 --> 00:23:18,750
faster rate

557
00:23:18,750 --> 00:23:20,820
than your expenditures however both of

558
00:23:20,820 --> 00:23:22,320
those are to rate higher than your

559
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:24,570
populations actually growing and so at

560
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:26,159
some point that is going to give that's

561
00:23:26,159 --> 00:23:27,270
going to create more and more pressure

562
00:23:27,270 --> 00:23:29,250
on the services that you are creating so

563
00:23:29,250 --> 00:23:31,669
can you just explain what that means I

564
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:35,010
like like is it gonna tie our hands to

565
00:23:35,010 --> 00:23:38,370
raise revenue to raise taxes is there

566
00:23:38,370 --> 00:23:40,830
gonna be a does that mean diminish

567
00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:42,480
services what does that mean I think

568
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,700
what it means is that we need to build

569
00:23:44,700 --> 00:23:46,679
and create the capacity to be more

570
00:23:46,679 --> 00:23:49,200
productive so that we can handle that

571
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,450
pressure assuming that those

572
00:23:51,450 --> 00:23:53,549
expenditures and that revenue growth

573
00:23:53,549 --> 00:23:57,090
won't necessarily continue to keep in

574
00:23:57,090 --> 00:23:58,740
line with your population growth okay

575
00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:00,380
thank you thank you Council to quell

576
00:24:00,380 --> 00:24:04,409
support thank you very much for your

577
00:24:04,409 --> 00:24:06,360
presentation through you through the

578
00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:09,059
mayor to you you talked about outcome

579
00:24:09,059 --> 00:24:11,429
based budgeting and other municipalities

580
00:24:11,429 --> 00:24:14,490
who do that and there's a suggestion

581
00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:16,470
that we I guess moved towards that it's

582
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:18,270
something I'm in favor of can you

583
00:24:18,270 --> 00:24:23,190
describe how a council could support the

584
00:24:23,190 --> 00:24:24,990
corporation moving towards outcome based

585
00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:26,730
budgeting what are the other things

586
00:24:26,730 --> 00:24:28,380
you've noticed some municipalities that

587
00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:31,289
work to get there versus traditional

588
00:24:31,289 --> 00:24:32,850
based budgeting which I think we've been

589
00:24:32,850 --> 00:24:34,049
doing for a long time

590
00:24:34,049 --> 00:24:35,520
sure and I'll look to our expert on

591
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:36,900
outcomes based budgeting cream cutter

592
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:40,020
Deena they answer that so I think that's

593
00:24:40,020 --> 00:24:41,520
a great question in the fact that that

594
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,230
somebody on council brought it up here's

595
00:24:43,230 --> 00:24:45,419
a positive because the number one thing

596
00:24:45,419 --> 00:24:46,799
I think that we found is it's buy-in

597
00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:48,600
from council because what it's gonna

598
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,900
require is a presentation of a different

599
00:24:51,900 --> 00:24:54,539
set of numbers enough budget documents

600
00:24:54,539 --> 00:24:56,010
that will show you or try to show you

601
00:24:56,010 --> 00:24:58,230
what you're getting in terms of services

602
00:24:58,230 --> 00:25:00,179
rather than what you're getting in terms

603
00:25:00,179 --> 00:25:02,490
of outputs so rather than thinking about

604
00:25:02,490 --> 00:25:03,900
you know we have this many people

605
00:25:03,900 --> 00:25:07,590
delivering X this many times you move to

606
00:25:07,590 --> 00:25:09,809
a outcome based view of where you're

607
00:25:09,809 --> 00:25:11,909
providing your citizens so you know

608
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:13,710
councils buying is is the single biggest

609
00:25:13,710 --> 00:25:16,140
factor for whether this means to eat or

610
00:25:16,140 --> 00:25:18,240
not yeah and then I would say the second

611
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,309
one is it requires a broad consultation

612
00:25:23,309 --> 00:25:25,230
effort within the city ideally with

613
00:25:25,230 --> 00:25:27,360
staff and with residents to start

614
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:28,710
talking about what is the kind of city

615
00:25:28,710 --> 00:25:30,659
that we want and how are we gonna know

616
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:32,160
when we realized that what

617
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,250
measures that we're gonna take and then

618
00:25:35,250 --> 00:25:37,560
that'll feed back to you know how what

619
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:38,430
you're tracking and how you're

620
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:39,600
presenting it back to council in the

621
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,350
public and my next question I know you

622
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:45,090
didn't get into specifics but it it

623
00:25:45,090 --> 00:25:47,130
seems to me that there will need to be

624
00:25:47,130 --> 00:25:51,240
some investment into IT in order to move

625
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:52,830
forward I know you probably don't have a

626
00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:54,810
dollar figure but is this this is what

627
00:25:54,810 --> 00:25:57,000
we should be planning for and expecting

628
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,340
we often don't think about IT they're

629
00:25:59,340 --> 00:26:01,950
just they're kind of down in the corner

630
00:26:01,950 --> 00:26:04,080
somewhere the people who fix our iPads

631
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,170
and we don't think too much about it

632
00:26:07,170 --> 00:26:09,390
but is this something we need to think

633
00:26:09,390 --> 00:26:12,690
about in terms of that the next year or

634
00:26:12,690 --> 00:26:17,190
two yes I mean the short answer is a lot

635
00:26:17,190 --> 00:26:18,600
of these things are gonna be really

636
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,250
tough to realize without thinking about

637
00:26:20,250 --> 00:26:21,870
the investments that have to make in

638
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:24,090
technology a couple of things I will say

639
00:26:24,090 --> 00:26:27,420
though is there's an opportunity to

640
00:26:27,420 --> 00:26:29,490
think about how you can do that in

641
00:26:29,490 --> 00:26:31,770
partnership with municipalities in the

642
00:26:31,770 --> 00:26:33,540
region specifically when you think about

643
00:26:33,540 --> 00:26:36,030
things like housing management platforms

644
00:26:36,030 --> 00:26:39,000
and as some management plans because

645
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,980
that you can you know you can you might

646
00:26:40,980 --> 00:26:42,330
not you might not work out but there's

647
00:26:42,330 --> 00:26:43,830
an opportunity to talk to neighboring

648
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:46,350
municipalities about doing this in a

649
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:47,610
coordinated way to see if there's an

650
00:26:47,610 --> 00:26:49,830
opportunity to drive down cost the other

651
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:51,480
thing that I would say about IT is and I

652
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:52,680
think I think you made the point well

653
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,510
you know it's more than just the people

654
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:56,100
that fix their iPads when they're not

655
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:59,550
working it's really increasingly it's

656
00:26:59,550 --> 00:27:01,230
the backbone of the city and whether the

657
00:27:01,230 --> 00:27:03,690
city can function properly so thinking

658
00:27:03,690 --> 00:27:04,980
about it from a strategic point of view

659
00:27:04,980 --> 00:27:06,600
and where the investments are going and

660
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,370
trying to do it in a coordinated fashion

661
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:11,070
across the city I think we'll all be key

662
00:27:11,070 --> 00:27:14,370
um and all of that goes with you know

663
00:27:14,370 --> 00:27:15,990
the necessity of upfront investment in

664
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:18,120
the next not even the next few years

665
00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:20,070
just on an ongoing basis to keep to keep

666
00:27:20,070 --> 00:27:23,280
up thank you very much

667
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,560
Thank You councillor port counts the

668
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,690
cushion yes I I have two questions in

669
00:27:30,690 --> 00:27:32,690
your presentation you use the

670
00:27:32,690 --> 00:27:35,700
evidence-based decision making where are

671
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:40,080
we not doing that well I think I think

672
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:45,060
the what we found was when we are trying

673
00:27:45,060 --> 00:27:45,850
to determine

674
00:27:45,850 --> 00:27:49,420
types of initiatives we're gonna come

675
00:27:49,420 --> 00:27:51,250
forward with whether to be council areas

676
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:54,370
of transformation areas of investment is

677
00:27:54,370 --> 00:27:58,960
that there what we heard from staff was

678
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,700
that there tends to be a very strong

679
00:28:00,700 --> 00:28:02,440
focus on the financial component of that

680
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,930
and not necessarily on the benefit or

681
00:28:04,930 --> 00:28:07,930
the return side and so it's really about

682
00:28:07,930 --> 00:28:10,510
having the strong rigor and the

683
00:28:10,510 --> 00:28:12,460
robustness of developing a plan that

684
00:28:12,460 --> 00:28:17,110
clearly identifies the the opportunities

685
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:18,520
that we are trying to gain out of our

686
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,740
initiatives backed by actual evidence

687
00:28:20,740 --> 00:28:22,870
meaning as much data as you have that

688
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:24,550
can show those previous trends and so on

689
00:28:24,550 --> 00:28:26,410
and so forth any research that's there

690
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:27,910
to show the actual return that comes

691
00:28:27,910 --> 00:28:31,120
back and that is an emerging issue that

692
00:28:31,120 --> 00:28:34,420
we see at the provincial government at I

693
00:28:34,420 --> 00:28:36,190
have another large municipality in

694
00:28:36,190 --> 00:28:37,600
Canada where this is the exact same

695
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,860
issue that we're talking about there

696
00:28:38,860 --> 00:28:41,140
it's a very common one of having really

697
00:28:41,140 --> 00:28:43,120
robust thought process as to how we make

698
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,030
our decisions so you're suggesting we

699
00:28:46,030 --> 00:28:48,340
look at value at it from the expenditure

700
00:28:48,340 --> 00:28:51,580
and my concern is a lot of the

701
00:28:51,580 --> 00:28:55,150
value-added that we look at is social in

702
00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:58,060
addition to financial so how do we

703
00:28:58,060 --> 00:29:01,000
quantify the social value for example in

704
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,250
the near future we'll be talking about

705
00:29:03,250 --> 00:29:07,000
keeping a golf course open and our staff

706
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,040
is saying financially that does make

707
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:09,520
sense

708
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,400
which is correct but counsel looks at

709
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,150
the social return from that so how would

710
00:29:16,150 --> 00:29:18,700
you reconcile the design so I think that

711
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:21,390
absolutely has has a role to play with

712
00:29:21,390 --> 00:29:24,820
in this as well there's no perfect way

713
00:29:24,820 --> 00:29:26,410
to say this is how you do evidence-based

714
00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:28,480
decision-making I think as an SLT and as

715
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,100
counsel you need to come up with a bit

716
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:31,690
of a framework as to what what

717
00:29:31,690 --> 00:29:33,580
constitutes good evidence that is

718
00:29:33,580 --> 00:29:37,330
actually going to allow us to make that decision and what constitutes

719
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:39,850
return so yes sometimes it is quantified

720
00:29:39,850 --> 00:29:41,590
sometimes it's not for just those exact

721
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:43,630
reasons it's not always a

722
00:29:43,630 --> 00:29:45,280
black-and-white thing and so having a

723
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,050
good framework that says these are the

724
00:29:47,050 --> 00:29:48,430
conditions by which we make our

725
00:29:48,430 --> 00:29:53,500
decisions whether it be quantifiable or or qualitative are part of developing

726
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,450
that approach okay can you be more

727
00:29:55,450 --> 00:29:58,710
specific in the case of a golf course

728
00:29:58,710 --> 00:30:01,740
yeah how can we quantify the return to

729
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:05,310
our residence so the counselor in terms

730
00:30:05,310 --> 00:30:06,570
of that's an issue that's going to be

731
00:30:06,570 --> 00:30:08,040
coming in front of council in two weeks

732
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,710
and I don't think it's appropriate that

733
00:30:10,710 --> 00:30:13,320
you're trying to wedge it into today's

734
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,270
discussion I think you can ask them

735
00:30:15,270 --> 00:30:18,450
offline and ask them for a quantifiable

736
00:30:18,450 --> 00:30:20,400
but trying to get them to say something

737
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,860
that you're positioning probably not

738
00:30:22,860 --> 00:30:26,040
appropriate but mr. mayor I'm looking at

739
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,980
all types of investments how do we

740
00:30:28,980 --> 00:30:31,080
quantify the social return

741
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,960
that's my question it's an example I

742
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,310
gave us the golf course

743
00:30:35,310 --> 00:30:38,010
sure I think I think that there are lots

744
00:30:38,010 --> 00:30:39,270
of different ways I would think that

745
00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:40,920
there's an element of the the economic

746
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,900
impact that goes on beyond the golf

747
00:30:42,900 --> 00:30:46,410
course itself is that the the extent to

748
00:30:46,410 --> 00:30:49,560
which the city wants to be an employer

749
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,360
and provides seasonal jobs those are

750
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,670
types of things that you can quantify to

751
00:30:53,670 --> 00:30:55,080
an extent but those are also things that

752
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:56,820
align to your strategy in what you want

753
00:30:56,820 --> 00:30:58,740
to be as a city and those are the kinds

754
00:30:58,740 --> 00:30:59,700
of things that I would think about

755
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:01,830
thinking about including from a social

756
00:31:01,830 --> 00:31:07,410
component I think the important thing

757
00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:08,790
about the evidence based decision making

758
00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:11,250
is you want to have a consistent way of

759
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:13,500
looking at these things so they you can

760
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,150
make the trade-offs in a more informed

761
00:31:15,150 --> 00:31:17,370
manner so in a case like this you know

762
00:31:17,370 --> 00:31:18,360
if you're talking about the social

763
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,760
benefit of a golf course you want to put

764
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,020
some thought into how you measure that

765
00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:23,400
and then how you would compare that to

766
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,410
the social benefit of whatever other

767
00:31:25,410 --> 00:31:26,880
investments are in front of you as an

768
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,900
object then the next question I ask is

769
00:31:30,900 --> 00:31:33,060
going back to the question that

770
00:31:33,060 --> 00:31:35,490
councillor Sorrento asked you've

771
00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:37,200
indicated that a revenues and

772
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,200
expenditures are growing faster than the

773
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,480
population increase and that's not

774
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,060
sustainable even though our revenues are

775
00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:47,970
greater than the cost expenditure I

776
00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:49,880
would have thought would be the reverse

777
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,040
if we didn't have the excess then that

778
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,020
wouldn't be sustainable and you're

779
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:59,200
saying the opposite

780
00:31:59,210 --> 00:32:01,970
I think I think what we're trying to say

781
00:32:01,970 --> 00:32:05,570
is that that is a unique scenario and is

782
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:12,860
unlikely to last forever and and so that growth needs to be considered in in

783
00:32:12,860 --> 00:32:15,170
light of the growth of the of the actual

784
00:32:15,170 --> 00:32:17,360
city so we're not saying that there's an

785
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000
impending doom or anything but it's it's

786
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,850
a trend over the last five years and it

787
00:32:22,850 --> 00:32:26,150
is unlikely to remain that way but you

788
00:32:26,150 --> 00:32:28,790
would agree it's a good trend I think

789
00:32:28,790 --> 00:32:32,690
you are you are less exposed to the risk

790
00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:35,030
at this moment at this moment yeah thank

791
00:32:35,030 --> 00:32:35,390
you

792
00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:38,750
I think Kelso cushions so I'm just me

793
00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:39,440
there you're gonna go around the

794
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,540
horseshoe so councillor Miller you ready

795
00:32:41,540 --> 00:32:42,830
hand up and then we're gonna go keep

796
00:32:42,830 --> 00:32:44,030
going until we're finished this

797
00:32:44,030 --> 00:32:46,120
discussion councillor Miller you're up

798
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,260
thank you thanks for the presentation

799
00:32:48,260 --> 00:32:50,270
report I I'm I'm really interested in

800
00:32:50,270 --> 00:32:52,820
the the modern workplace strategy I

801
00:32:52,820 --> 00:32:56,360
think you're bang on that's a challenge

802
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,280
for us with so many competitors and in

803
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,440
the marketplace for employees that

804
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,000
that's somewhere we could actually that

805
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,350
maybe were a bit behind that we could

806
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:07,100
get ahead when when you look at another

807
00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,810
municipalities or other organizations

808
00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:10,750
you've worked at is that primarily

809
00:33:10,750 --> 00:33:12,800
strategic or are we talking about

810
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,400
tangible more tangible changes to how

811
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,410
workplaces are set up you know the type

812
00:33:18,410 --> 00:33:19,940
of desk-bound in the report and things

813
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:22,490
like that or how much of a balance

814
00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:24,410
between those things is spending and how

815
00:33:24,410 --> 00:33:28,080
much is sort of a change in thinking

816
00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:34,340
please we have not rares so it's it's a

817
00:33:34,340 --> 00:33:36,200
combination of the two all right so I

818
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,090
would say part of it is you know getting

819
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:40,310
a clear view of how you stack up

820
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:43,820
compared to regional competitors because

821
00:33:43,820 --> 00:33:45,500
the people you're looking to hire are

822
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,560
not gonna be working you know beyond an

823
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,060
hour's drive from here so you really

824
00:33:50,060 --> 00:33:54,260
need to think about a recompile it

825
00:33:54,260 --> 00:33:56,900
people we should considering we are the

826
00:33:56,900 --> 00:33:59,810
biggest municipalities and then in terms

827
00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:02,390
of the more I think you called it the

828
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:04,700
strategic side I think that is a big

829
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:07,610
part right because I'm increasingly

830
00:34:07,610 --> 00:34:09,590
people are looking for meaning in their

831
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,480
work and the

832
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,070
one thing that municipalities you know

833
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:14,329
the governments have going for them is

834
00:34:14,329 --> 00:34:15,770
there's a lot of meaning in the work

835
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:17,750
that gets done here so being able to

836
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:19,070
position that more effectively and

837
00:34:19,070 --> 00:34:21,079
communicate that more clearly is part of

838
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:24,740
that strategy thank you and just could

839
00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:26,270
you I suppose

840
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:28,570
give maybe a couple quick examples of

841
00:34:28,570 --> 00:34:30,409
what some of those strategy

842
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:31,940
implementations that have been

843
00:34:31,940 --> 00:34:33,889
successful elsewhere in terms of

844
00:34:33,889 --> 00:34:39,710
modernizing the workplace um so the the

845
00:34:39,710 --> 00:34:41,359
provincial government has started to

846
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:44,389
move towards it's a flexible work

847
00:34:44,389 --> 00:34:46,010
environment right so what they do is

848
00:34:46,010 --> 00:34:47,839
people hire people based on their skill

849
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:49,849
and then deploy them throughout the

850
00:34:49,849 --> 00:34:51,409
organization depending on what a given

851
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:53,570
division needs and what that does is

852
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:55,280
it's almost like a consulting model that

853
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,260
gives that gives your employees a bit of

854
00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:59,450
it's it's both a bit of flexibility for

855
00:34:59,450 --> 00:35:02,060
the organisation you can stop up in

856
00:35:02,060 --> 00:35:03,859
departments as needed but it's an

857
00:35:03,859 --> 00:35:06,079
opportunity for the staff to get exposed

858
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:07,400
to different areas of the organisation

859
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,140
to learn and to grow personally so

860
00:35:09,140 --> 00:35:11,020
that's one that we've seen more and more

861
00:35:11,020 --> 00:35:13,040
municipalities moving towards and trying

862
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,339
to deploy that okay thank you Thank You

863
00:35:16,339 --> 00:35:19,160
councillor Miller caster Phillips Thank

864
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:20,650
You mr. mayor

865
00:35:20,650 --> 00:35:22,810
it is an excellent report

866
00:35:22,810 --> 00:35:25,760
congratulations for that it almost seems

867
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,619
like a second strategic plan and that

868
00:35:27,619 --> 00:35:29,240
concerns me

869
00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:32,119
I don't know as you're aware we just

870
00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:34,099
completed our strategic plan it's

871
00:35:34,099 --> 00:35:35,599
unfortunate this didn't come before

872
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,730
strategic plans so we could have melded

873
00:35:37,730 --> 00:35:40,579
the two together and hopefully doubt if

874
00:35:40,579 --> 00:35:43,010
that will happen actually it wasn't the

875
00:35:43,010 --> 00:35:44,569
report that it was melded together if

876
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:45,770
they want to speak on how they

877
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:47,540
integrated their a strategic land into

878
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:49,880
this that was me that was my next

879
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:50,210
question

880
00:35:50,210 --> 00:35:52,730
Thank You mr. rego great minds think

881
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:57,710
alike next slide if you're on Caitlin X

882
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:59,480
can you indicate how you've melded this

883
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:07,099
with our strategic way I need to think

884
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:09,730
back sorry

885
00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:21,190
while you find this line this is how we

886
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:27,490
play I guess I didn't get to that page

887
00:36:27,490 --> 00:36:29,900
the one question I have is you've

888
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:31,730
indicated that our staffing numbers for

889
00:36:31,730 --> 00:36:33,770
the size of the corporation are quite

890
00:36:33,770 --> 00:36:38,090
lean in numbers you've indicated what

891
00:36:38,090 --> 00:36:42,650
needs to be done now we have to find out

892
00:36:42,650 --> 00:36:45,590
how it's going to be done these our

893
00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:50,450
staff are working their fingers to the

894
00:36:50,450 --> 00:36:53,090
bone just to make the corporation run

895
00:36:53,090 --> 00:36:55,910
efficiently now this this is it to me a

896
00:36:55,910 --> 00:37:00,830
huge huge endeavor are you making

897
00:37:00,830 --> 00:37:04,850
suggestions as to how you've indicated

898
00:37:04,850 --> 00:37:07,790
what are you indicating or giving us

899
00:37:07,790 --> 00:37:09,860
suggestions as to how to implement this

900
00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:13,070
or are you seeing or suggesting that

901
00:37:13,070 --> 00:37:15,800
they do it on their own or are we gonna

902
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:17,960
need consultants to come aboard and gain

903
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,950
- to help us and implement this sure so

904
00:37:21,950 --> 00:37:23,030
it'll be a combination of all those

905
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:25,160
things but I will say that we have

906
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,580
provided the SLT with a report so what

907
00:37:28,580 --> 00:37:31,190
you have here is a report what we

908
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:32,600
provided to them is far more detailed

909
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,750
with a lot more of the specific steps

910
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:37,280
that would have to be done to actually

911
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,170
implement those so there is guidance

912
00:37:39,170 --> 00:37:41,000
that is there as to what those steps

913
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,490
need to be we work with SLT as we had up

914
00:37:43,490 --> 00:37:45,650
there earlier as to how what the

915
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:47,360
sequencing of those are because some

916
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,840
support some of the others so they as a

917
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,820
team have come together and developed

918
00:37:52,820 --> 00:37:54,500
what that plan would look like in some

919
00:37:54,500 --> 00:37:56,600
sort of modernization program going

920
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,390
forward and that that does happen over a

921
00:37:59,390 --> 00:38:01,370
certain amount of time there's you know

922
00:38:01,370 --> 00:38:03,170
there was 14 things we had listed there

923
00:38:03,170 --> 00:38:05,090
we can't launch 14 things tomorrow

924
00:38:05,090 --> 00:38:07,520
they they have to build on each other

925
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,070
and that's going to be for SLT - and I

926
00:38:10,070 --> 00:38:11,840
think to work on and to bring forward to

927
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,220
you on how they want to do that okay

928
00:38:13,220 --> 00:38:14,410
thank you

929
00:38:14,410 --> 00:38:16,880
yes sir Phillips around the Horseshoe

930
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:17,480
anyone

931
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,320
so Kelsey Garcia I don't come Thank You

932
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,390
mr. mayor through you to the presenter

933
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:25,700
is following up on what councilor

934
00:38:25,700 --> 00:38:27,500
Phillips said about you said that the

935
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,650
organization was relatively lean you

936
00:38:30,650 --> 00:38:33,619
were talking in terms of numbers but did

937
00:38:33,619 --> 00:38:36,050
you look at the organization itself in

938
00:38:36,050 --> 00:38:38,210
terms of efficiency when you mentioned

939
00:38:38,210 --> 00:38:40,340
the different departments that those

940
00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:42,380
departments make sense to you in terms

941
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:44,720
of how they're separated or allocated or

942
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:46,070
is that something you looked at at all

943
00:38:46,070 --> 00:38:48,920
so there is detailed findings that are

944
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,660
in the report and that you might have

945
00:38:50,660 --> 00:38:52,460
read on some of the findings on each of

946
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:54,050
the specific four departments that we

947
00:38:54,050 --> 00:38:55,070
looked at because those were the four

948
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:57,740
that we focused on so there are are some

949
00:38:57,740 --> 00:38:59,270
findings on on what that might look like

950
00:38:59,270 --> 00:39:00,970
and we spent a little bit more time with

951
00:39:00,970 --> 00:39:05,119
municipal works specifically you just

952
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:06,080
repeat the first part of your question

953
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:11,030
there actually to the second part oh the

954
00:39:11,030 --> 00:39:14,660
lean leanness so the analysis was more

955
00:39:14,660 --> 00:39:16,369
focused on the fact that your headcount

956
00:39:16,369 --> 00:39:18,710
has barely grown at all over the last

957
00:39:18,710 --> 00:39:20,869
five years it's no more than two FTEs

958
00:39:20,869 --> 00:39:24,250
per per year however you continue to

959
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:26,750
grow your revenues and your expenditures

960
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:28,280
and the amount of service that you are

961
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,740
providing so what so what we were saying

962
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:32,510
is that they are operating in a way

963
00:39:32,510 --> 00:39:34,850
that's more and more lean that that they

964
00:39:34,850 --> 00:39:36,170
are being pushed to their capacity

965
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:38,780
because of the amount of growth in the

966
00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:40,250
actual activity for the staffing that

967
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:44,180
they have right but the fact that we are

968
00:39:44,180 --> 00:39:45,890
lean in terms of the numbers doesn't

969
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:47,570
means that these people are being

970
00:39:47,570 --> 00:39:49,609
utilized the most efficient ways are

971
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:51,410
correct well we're saying that there's

972
00:39:51,410 --> 00:39:53,630
ways to be more efficient and those are

973
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:55,520
the opportunities that we have I'd you

974
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,600
know identified so there is still manual

975
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,250
transactional activities that staff have

976
00:40:01,250 --> 00:40:02,420
to do in different parts of the city

977
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:04,190
we're suggesting you need to look at

978
00:40:04,190 --> 00:40:05,540
automation you'll need to look at

979
00:40:05,540 --> 00:40:08,060
technology to be able to have them do

980
00:40:08,060 --> 00:40:11,180
less of that manual more transactional

981
00:40:11,180 --> 00:40:12,410
things and spend more time on the

982
00:40:12,410 --> 00:40:13,670
value-added things that actually add

983
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:17,990
value to your citizens mr. mayor that

984
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:20,930
those more detailed recommendations are

985
00:40:20,930 --> 00:40:22,640
included in what you have submitted to

986
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:27,270
staff correct okay thank you

987
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,750
and the other questions of the

988
00:40:28,750 --> 00:40:32,320
presenters okay I would just like to say

989
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,580
on behalf of the city of st. cabinet's

990
00:40:33,580 --> 00:40:35,140
thank you for the work that you've done

991
00:40:35,140 --> 00:40:37,980
and in terms of just the overall

992
00:40:37,980 --> 00:40:41,320
organizational effectiveness from your

993
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,630
opinion working with other

994
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:44,440
municipalities is that something that

995
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:46,960
would be driven by the SLT team or is

996
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,380
that something where the sort of council

997
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:53,230
would be the one that would be directing

998
00:40:53,230 --> 00:40:55,630
that I think it definitely has to be a

999
00:40:55,630 --> 00:40:58,360
combination of the two I think I think

1000
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,060
SLT I think they gathered around a table

1001
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:03,130
a number of times and said this is

1002
00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:04,660
really important to us right we've

1003
00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:07,180
identified these transformational things

1004
00:41:07,180 --> 00:41:09,190
and and they're their big ones are

1005
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:10,660
really important ones and so we know

1006
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:12,370
that we need to change how we do

1007
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:13,870
business in these different areas and

1008
00:41:13,870 --> 00:41:15,520
here are some operation orders and we

1009
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,560
are going to talk about how to

1010
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:19,120
prioritize that which means there's a

1011
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,230
take you know an element of

1012
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:21,370
accountability that they're taking to

1013
00:41:21,370 --> 00:41:22,930
make sure that happens but they need to

1014
00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:24,430
work with Council to make sure that that

1015
00:41:24,430 --> 00:41:25,780
happens and so are you familiar with

1016
00:41:25,780 --> 00:41:27,880
organizational effectiveness reviews and

1017
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:29,710
what have you done those previously I

1018
00:41:29,710 --> 00:41:31,540
have yes so this is is this something

1019
00:41:31,540 --> 00:41:32,920
that is very comparable to an

1020
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,290
organizational effectiveness review what

1021
00:41:35,290 --> 00:41:40,120
we've done here I look because the focus

1022
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,680
was only on certain components of the

1023
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,300
organization and not the entire

1024
00:41:43,300 --> 00:41:47,080
organization it we've tried to identify

1025
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,080
areas that were pain points in those

1026
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,030
areas in scope and through our

1027
00:41:52,030 --> 00:41:54,070
interviews and the engagement that we

1028
00:41:54,070 --> 00:41:55,780
had we realized those words were larger

1029
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,430
we did not look at the organization as

1030
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:59,110
an absolute hole which is what you would

1031
00:41:59,110 --> 00:42:00,280
want to do if you did a full on

1032
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:01,660
organizational effectiveness review

1033
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:03,280
probably want to get to the detail of

1034
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,050
doing activity analysis and so on and so

1035
00:42:05,050 --> 00:42:06,880
forth we did not have this go for the

1036
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,410
time to be able to get into that okay I

1037
00:42:08,410 --> 00:42:10,930
know it could have a motion to receive

1038
00:42:10,930 --> 00:42:12,700
the presentation councillors councillor

1039
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:14,890
mailer accounts reporter all in favor

1040
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:16,420
carried councillor Porter you have a

1041
00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:22,430
motion

1042
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,870
I hope stops okay with this it was just

1043
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:28,440
to refer this Republic's staff time give

1044
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:29,940
stop time to review this in the first

1045
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:32,100
quarter and then bring it forward for

1046
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:33,360
discussion of the budget committee in

1047
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,390
second quarter of 2020 that's a referral

1048
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:37,110
thank you very much for your

1049
00:42:37,110 --> 00:42:37,710
presentation

1050
00:42:37,710 --> 00:42:39,630
that's a referral so it goes back to

1051
00:42:39,630 --> 00:42:42,630
council for two to staff for a report to

1052
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:44,700
come back in second quarter 2020 all in

1053
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:47,640
favor of that carry thank you Thank You

1054
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,030
Council report into general committee

1055
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:56,370
and council you remain seated for the

1056
00:42:56,370 --> 00:42:58,320
dis items up for discussion we have

1057
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,360
community recreation culture services

1058
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:01,790
business planning of strategic services

1059
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:04,650
tree planting program and I'll look to

1060
00:43:04,650 --> 00:43:06,630
at least norton first to come forward

1061
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:09,150
and provide some summary comments prior

1062
00:43:09,150 --> 00:43:11,220
to a presentation by Niagara College

1063
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:32,470
students welcome Elyse

1064
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,670
it's on okay good evening mr. mayor

1065
00:43:38,670 --> 00:43:41,460
members of council staff and members of

1066
00:43:41,460 --> 00:43:44,069
the public my name is Elise Orton and I

1067
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:45,990
work for the community recreation and

1068
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:47,700
culture services department here with

1069
00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:50,099
the city of st. Catharines this evening

1070
00:43:50,099 --> 00:43:53,760
I and we are here to present to you an

1071
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,829
educational video on the urban tree

1072
00:43:55,829 --> 00:43:58,230
canopy and tree stewardship that was

1073
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:59,940
produced as a result of a partnership

1074
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:02,520
with Niagara College third year film

1075
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:04,349
production students who I have with me

1076
00:44:04,349 --> 00:44:04,859
here tonight

1077
00:44:04,859 --> 00:44:07,289
staff intend to use this video on social

1078
00:44:07,289 --> 00:44:09,780
media of the city's website and as a

1079
00:44:09,780 --> 00:44:11,549
tool for a future educational outreach

1080
00:44:11,549 --> 00:44:14,280
program on the urban tree canopy and any

1081
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,020
other appropriate Avenue for it to be

1082
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:18,720
shared this video along with a tree

1083
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:20,280
giveaway program is part of an

1084
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:21,780
initiative to educate and assist

1085
00:44:21,780 --> 00:44:24,240
residents with planting trees on private

1086
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:26,280
property and helping to really start the

1087
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,349
conversation that trees and the healthy

1088
00:44:28,349 --> 00:44:30,690
tree canopy provide us so many benefits

1089
00:44:30,690 --> 00:44:33,240
today but also especially for our future

1090
00:44:33,240 --> 00:44:35,430
generations this is to further help us

1091
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:37,140
reach our target canopy goal of 30

1092
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:40,380
percent by the year 2030 I would like to

1093
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:42,480
introduce to you a few of the students

1094
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,220
responsible for producing this video

1095
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:47,869
this evening we have Courtney ko Couric

1096
00:44:47,869 --> 00:44:51,869
Steven Osmond and Jacob Graham absent

1097
00:44:51,869 --> 00:44:54,270
from the group is Juliana Mancini and

1098
00:44:54,270 --> 00:44:56,789
Victoria Weaver staff actually had to

1099
00:44:56,789 --> 00:44:58,920
pitch our idea to these students against

1100
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,440
several other organizations and they

1101
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,960
have chosen to work with us the project

1102
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,460
began essentially on their first day of

1103
00:45:05,460 --> 00:45:07,980
classes and ends this evening with the

1104
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:09,750
presentation of their hard work to staff

1105
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:11,970
and city council through many meetings

1106
00:45:11,970 --> 00:45:14,460
emails and edits we'd like to present to

1107
00:45:14,460 --> 00:45:34,859
you their final product

1108
00:45:34,869 --> 00:45:36,950
we've is there seen let's all go to the

1109
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:49,330
lobby

1110
00:45:49,340 --> 00:45:53,820
Tyra's it's loading that's fine if you

1111
00:45:53,820 --> 00:45:56,340
wanna it's called fill in the the dead

1112
00:45:56,340 --> 00:46:02,910
space commands come on Elise let's talk

1113
00:46:02,910 --> 00:46:08,790
about trees Oh we'll go to film Thank

1114
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:11,370
You mr. Mehra through you so as Elise

1115
00:46:11,370 --> 00:46:14,490
said this is a partnership that we've

1116
00:46:14,490 --> 00:46:16,560
struck with Niagara College Council

1117
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,300
directed us to find better ways of doing

1118
00:46:18,300 --> 00:46:20,910
what we do and how we do things and one

1119
00:46:20,910 --> 00:46:22,800
of the things that we decided on as a

1120
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,200
team was to look for a way to create

1121
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,850
something that we could share for future

1122
00:46:26,850 --> 00:46:29,760
generations at zero or no Kazi row or

1123
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,600
low cost and so at least in the team

1124
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,280
found the way struck this partnership

1125
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,770
and so we're really proud to show this

1126
00:46:37,770 --> 00:46:40,620
to you today the plan moving forward is

1127
00:46:40,620 --> 00:46:42,750
to bring this to schools as at least

1128
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:45,000
described and it's really the next step

1129
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,440
in the education piece of the tree

1130
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,650
management framework so we hope you

1131
00:46:48,650 --> 00:46:51,920
you'll like him okay

1132
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:53,970
it's still loading so we need another

1133
00:46:53,970 --> 00:47:03,510
commercial viewing right now but there's

1134
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:05,460
also a 30-second clip that we can roll

1135
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:07,110
on social media and our Instagram

1136
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:11,330
account and whatnot and use that way

1137
00:47:11,330 --> 00:47:14,340
okay so to the students why did you

1138
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:15,870
choose to do this project if you want to

1139
00:47:15,870 --> 00:47:18,930
come up to the mic time to shine let's

1140
00:47:18,930 --> 00:47:27,750
go well for me I worked so you worked as

1141
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:29,160
the silliest student as a student for

1142
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:33,150
the yeah cool yeah look I think we've we

1143
00:47:33,150 --> 00:47:37,740
got to take off not yet okay so one of

1144
00:47:37,740 --> 00:47:39,330
yo come on tell us why you wanted to be

1145
00:47:39,330 --> 00:47:42,270
inspired by this come on up now you got

1146
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:43,500
to come up and further the mic to do

1147
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:51,409
this okay fair enough

1148
00:47:51,419 --> 00:47:57,279
so okay at least did you read the book

1149
00:47:57,279 --> 00:48:09,759
the meaning of trees okay okay this is

1150
00:48:09,759 --> 00:48:22,099
fine so you have anything on here I

1151
00:48:22,109 --> 00:48:40,800
can't even tell you jokes got nothing my voice is gone today

1152
00:48:40,810 --> 00:48:43,730
okay so while they're calling this up we

1153
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:46,010
could do the the motion that's moved up

1154
00:48:46,010 --> 00:48:50,480
by councillor Townsend so we'll have

1155
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,869
that motion by councillor Townsend and

1156
00:48:53,869 --> 00:48:59,119
that's to have the councillor Townsend

1157
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,230
if you want to just say what you're

1158
00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:02,390
gonna say mayor I wanted to make an

1159
00:49:02,390 --> 00:49:06,080
amendment to the motion 11.2 I just got

1160
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,490
to pull it up here quickly sorry one

1161
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:15,870
sight

1162
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:20,049
in the motion it it does ask for council

1163
00:49:20,049 --> 00:49:22,269
to consider appointing councillors on a

1164
00:49:22,269 --> 00:49:24,759
one-month basis I'm hoping that we can

1165
00:49:24,759 --> 00:49:26,650
consider I know from what I understand I

1166
00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:27,519
think there are three or four

1167
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:28,839
individuals that I put their name forth

1168
00:49:28,839 --> 00:49:32,559
for deputy mayor for I think out of all

1169
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,749
fairness I think I would I would like to

1170
00:49:34,749 --> 00:49:36,729
put the motion for it to have all four

1171
00:49:36,729 --> 00:49:39,159
of them split the one-year term up for

1172
00:49:39,159 --> 00:49:41,589
starting in 2020 just out of all

1173
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:43,239
fairness to give everyone an opportunity

1174
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,219
to take the seed in the role of deputy

1175
00:49:45,219 --> 00:49:47,679
mayor I think that it's the most fair

1176
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:53,409
way to do it and I'm hoping council will support that change so it's an

1177
00:49:53,409 --> 00:49:57,969
amendment saved by the music but it's

1178
00:49:57,969 --> 00:50:00,599
something good to come up on the screen

1179
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,329
there we go okay cut stick hold that

1180
00:50:04,329 --> 00:50:06,030
thought

1181
00:50:06,030 --> 00:50:15,510
[Music]

1182
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,920
trees are just as important as the roads

1183
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,280
we drive on the sidewalks we work on and

1184
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:26,060
the houses we live in we need trees more

1185
00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:28,850
than they need us but now more than ever

1186
00:50:28,850 --> 00:50:33,530
the responsibility falls on you and Lily

1187
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:34,930
sortin i'm the city's development

1188
00:50:34,930 --> 00:50:37,190
horticultural technician been with the

1189
00:50:37,190 --> 00:50:40,490
city of st. Catharines i've been with

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00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:42,350
the city for about ten years

1191
00:50:42,350 --> 00:50:45,680
and eight in this capacity about three

1192
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:50,619
years so I think the issue is that

1193
00:50:50,619 --> 00:50:54,470
there's a education aspect of it making

1194
00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:56,090
people realize that they do have a

1195
00:50:56,090 --> 00:50:58,280
responsibility to plant trees on private

1196
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,020
property and then not just plant them

1197
00:51:00,020 --> 00:51:02,390
but also care for them so we can add to

1198
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:04,640
the canopy we try to offer things like

1199
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,800
the tree giveaway or intentive programs

1200
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,840
that assist residents with getting trees

1201
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,360
planted on private property and really

1202
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:12,920
it's just getting everybody on board

1203
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,730
even from a young age and getting

1204
00:51:16,730 --> 00:51:20,170
everybody to want to plant trees

1205
00:51:20,180 --> 00:51:22,220
so when we had the emerald ash borer we

1206
00:51:22,220 --> 00:51:24,380
lost a ton of our canopy which really

1207
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:27,200
set us back so there's the issues that

1208
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,210
we have with invasive pests and diseases

1209
00:51:29,210 --> 00:51:31,970
but there's also the issues of just

1210
00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:34,690
being urban trees so issues like drought

1211
00:51:34,690 --> 00:51:38,900
pollution salt from the roads in the

1212
00:51:38,900 --> 00:51:41,960
winter time so our urban canopy does

1213
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,170
face a variety of issues so caring for

1214
00:51:45,170 --> 00:51:47,029
them especially newly planted trees is

1215
00:51:47,029 --> 00:51:49,789
so crucial to their overall health and

1216
00:51:49,789 --> 00:51:55,130
survival the city does have a goal with

1217
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:56,420
tree planting every year we are trying

1218
00:51:56,420 --> 00:51:59,029
to reach 30% tree canopy by the year

1219
00:51:59,029 --> 00:52:02,779
2030 in order to do that we need to be

1220
00:52:02,779 --> 00:52:04,819
planting approximately a thousand trees

1221
00:52:04,819 --> 00:52:07,010
per year on our own property but we also

1222
00:52:07,010 --> 00:52:09,260
need to rely on residents to plant about

1223
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:11,180
a thousand or more trees on private

1224
00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:14,150
property as well so another important

1225
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:17,869
piece to this is that within that 80% of

1226
00:52:17,869 --> 00:52:20,750
the canopy does sit on private property

1227
00:52:20,750 --> 00:52:24,680
20% sits on public land so while we can

1228
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,809
plant as many trees as we need to on the

1229
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:29,270
public portion the private property

1230
00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:31,609
residents is who we need to reach to

1231
00:52:31,609 --> 00:52:34,010
really get that canopy to the target

1232
00:52:34,010 --> 00:52:39,770
goal so a healthy canopy it reduces

1233
00:52:39,770 --> 00:52:41,900
stormwater runoff so when we have a

1234
00:52:41,900 --> 00:52:43,970
really heavy rain it's going to slow the

1235
00:52:43,970 --> 00:52:45,740
rain fall down which slows it into

1236
00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:48,470
entering our sewer systems and then also

1237
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:49,180
the root system

1238
00:52:49,180 --> 00:52:51,700
of the trees will soak up a lot of the

1239
00:52:51,700 --> 00:52:54,940
water so it alleviates the stress honors

1240
00:52:54,940 --> 00:52:57,190
our roads and our sidewalks and our

1241
00:52:57,190 --> 00:53:00,609
sewers it helps to cool our streets and

1242
00:53:00,609 --> 00:53:04,630
cool our homes so Oh in the summertime

1243
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:06,790
they tree can the tree canopy will have

1244
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:10,450
a cooling effect and reduce hydro coughs

1245
00:53:10,450 --> 00:53:13,089
in your all more in your building and in

1246
00:53:13,089 --> 00:53:14,740
the winter it'll actually act as a

1247
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:16,359
windbreak so it'll reduce heating costs

1248
00:53:16,359 --> 00:53:18,470
as well

1249
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:21,079
the most important time to plant a tree

1250
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:23,030
was 20 years ago

1251
00:53:23,030 --> 00:53:26,470
the second best time is now

1252
00:53:26,470 --> 00:53:37,580
[Music]

1253
00:53:37,590 --> 00:53:43,520
at least well done to the team great job

1254
00:53:43,530 --> 00:53:48,900
[Applause]

1255
00:53:48,900 --> 00:53:52,330
so just in conclusion I'd like to thank

1256
00:53:52,330 --> 00:53:54,610
Courtney Stephen and Jacob as well as

1257
00:53:54,610 --> 00:53:56,050
the rest of the group that was unable to

1258
00:53:56,050 --> 00:53:57,940
make it this evening as well as their

1259
00:53:57,940 --> 00:54:00,220
professor bill Boland who really helped

1260
00:54:00,220 --> 00:54:02,860
us guide us through this process this

1261
00:54:02,860 --> 00:54:06,490
was a zero cost program project as mr.

1262
00:54:06,490 --> 00:54:09,100
Christy mentioned other than staff time

1263
00:54:09,100 --> 00:54:10,750
there were no other budget implications

1264
00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:12,970
and for them there are two versions of

1265
00:54:12,970 --> 00:54:14,620
this video there's the 30-second version

1266
00:54:14,620 --> 00:54:16,540
as well so thank you for allowing us to

1267
00:54:16,540 --> 00:54:18,610
present this this evening well done well

1268
00:54:18,610 --> 00:54:20,500
done do you have any questions of the

1269
00:54:20,500 --> 00:54:22,780
okay let's try and keep the questions to

1270
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:24,460
a reduced amount

1271
00:54:24,460 --> 00:54:25,870
I'll go counts the Phillips first and

1272
00:54:25,870 --> 00:54:28,480
then counselors Renton Thank You mr.

1273
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:29,890
Merritt a question I just want to

1274
00:54:29,890 --> 00:54:33,700
indicate and congratulate Elise and her

1275
00:54:33,700 --> 00:54:36,520
staff I can remember when councilor

1276
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,650
Elliot and I were on the urban forestry

1277
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:40,300
master plan committee and at that time

1278
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:43,450
our canopy was around 17 or 18 percent

1279
00:54:43,450 --> 00:54:45,580
and during that time since then we've

1280
00:54:45,580 --> 00:54:48,100
gone through the ash borer catastrophe

1281
00:54:48,100 --> 00:54:49,780
where we've knocked down thousands of

1282
00:54:49,780 --> 00:54:52,090
trees and now our canopy has gone from

1283
00:54:52,090 --> 00:54:55,360
18% prior to the ash borer and we're

1284
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,760
probably down it up to what are we now

1285
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,900
23 I think it was so congratulations to

1286
00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:05,550
our forestry staff they've done a really good job I'm hearing a lot of

1287
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:07,780
positives from our residents about the

1288
00:55:07,780 --> 00:55:10,660
free tree giveaway we need to do that

1289
00:55:10,660 --> 00:55:14,560
again and to the Negra college students

1290
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,660
she did a great job thank you well said

1291
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:19,630
counselors rental you mr. mayor to miss

1292
00:55:19,630 --> 00:55:21,640
Norton how many trees do we give away a

1293
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,800
year and how many do we apply it on

1294
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,360
public property we give away

1295
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,340
approximately a thousand and we also

1296
00:55:27,340 --> 00:55:29,920
plant approximately a thousand that's

1297
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,620
just for our regular tree planting

1298
00:55:32,620 --> 00:55:34,990
program that doesn't account even for

1299
00:55:34,990 --> 00:55:36,790
volunteer groups or our friends up

1300
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:37,400
groups

1301
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,590
it's great thank you any chance to

1302
00:55:39,590 --> 00:55:41,990
stretch oh then a motion to receive

1303
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:44,180
counselor Phillips counselor Garcia

1304
00:55:44,180 --> 00:55:47,090
all in favor carried thank you very much

1305
00:55:47,090 --> 00:55:48,830
and great work seeing Niagara College

1306
00:55:48,830 --> 00:55:50,440
put this production together their

1307
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,910
outstanding post-secondary institution

1308
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:54,890
in a community congratulations and look

1309
00:55:54,890 --> 00:55:56,960
forward to seeing you all grow in your

1310
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:57,500
careers

1311
00:55:57,500 --> 00:56:11,040
take care

1312
00:56:11,050 --> 00:56:14,570
yes Miss Jane Hanlon you come forward

1313
00:56:14,570 --> 00:56:15,680
you're the second speaker on this

1314
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:24,810
delegated list

1315
00:56:24,820 --> 00:56:27,770
welcome to Sandlin thank you thank you

1316
00:56:27,770 --> 00:56:37,470
for allowing me to address you tonight

1317
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,520
so it follows up on the on the tree

1318
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,880
canopy and well we have great attention

1319
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:47,720
to adaptation mitigation is being left

1320
00:56:47,720 --> 00:56:50,560
behind it

1321
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,450
many of you will know I haven't been to

1322
00:56:53,450 --> 00:56:55,760
Council to address you since I think

1323
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,810
about 2011 in fact the last time I did a

1324
00:56:59,810 --> 00:57:01,670
critique on this particular management

1325
00:57:01,670 --> 00:57:05,780
plan I've had a unique opportunity to

1326
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:08,270
immerse myself in all things relating to

1327
00:57:08,270 --> 00:57:12,170
climate including urban forestry and I

1328
00:57:12,170 --> 00:57:14,810
also have been a member of the Ontario

1329
00:57:14,810 --> 00:57:20,870
urban urban forest committee the climate

1330
00:57:20,870 --> 00:57:26,210
research for 13 years I have focused on

1331
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:29,450
climate research half averaging half of

1332
00:57:29,450 --> 00:57:36,470
every day

1333
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,040
that climate research has been the heat

1334
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,930
and drought tolerances of trees their

1335
00:57:39,930 --> 00:57:42,210
natural migration rates how far they

1336
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:43,560
would spread from one year to the next

1337
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,960
of their own accord and comparing that

1338
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,640
to climate scenarios the UN a-- has

1339
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,030
asked us recently to triple efforts we

1340
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:58,550
are nearing nine tipping points nine

1341
00:57:58,550 --> 00:58:01,109
those tipping points will accelerate the

1342
00:58:01,109 --> 00:58:05,190
crisis we have a buffer of less than

1343
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:10,050
five years to bring our carbon to Net

1344
00:58:10,050 --> 00:58:12,420
Zero I know the federal government is

1345
00:58:12,420 --> 00:58:14,130
talking about 2050 and I know we're

1346
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:15,600
talking about beyond but that's just

1347
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:22,320
talk so the focus in five years means

1348
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,600
that it's this particular council that

1349
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,630
needs to make the difference now the

1350
00:58:27,630 --> 00:58:29,460
corporate climate adaptation plan is

1351
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:32,550
essential but it's the declaration of

1352
00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:34,770
climate emergency that is providing hope

1353
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:39,780
to the young people the the group

1354
00:58:39,780 --> 00:58:42,300
meeting for the green New Deal Niagara

1355
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:44,490
is also on tonight hence them not being

1356
00:58:44,490 --> 00:58:51,090
here adapting can divert us from solving

1357
00:58:51,090 --> 00:58:54,990
the climate crisis and it can also SAP

1358
00:58:54,990 --> 00:59:00,380
budgets adapting without mitigation is

1359
00:59:00,380 --> 00:59:03,690
something that we can't afford to get

1360
00:59:03,690 --> 00:59:07,950
wrong it's not sustainable it just sets

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up the next generation for not being

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00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:13,950
able to adapt and so here we are

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00:59:13,950 --> 00:59:16,800
following the 2011 plan with data

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00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,920
provided from 2010 and tweaking it and

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00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,930
finding budget free items low-hanging

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00:59:24,930 --> 00:59:25,590
fruit

1367
00:59:25,590 --> 00:59:28,530
absolutely great let's do it but I have

1368
00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:31,530
some suggestions that I hope will be

1369
00:59:31,530 --> 00:59:34,260
taken under consideration to increase

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00:59:34,260 --> 00:59:36,950
the sustainability of our forest canopy

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00:59:36,950 --> 00:59:44,580
there are 15 of them and I'll be quick I

1372
00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:46,170
hope it fits in that five minutes I got

1373
00:59:46,170 --> 00:59:49,980
315 here so I do not have 26 copies

1374
00:59:49,980 --> 00:59:53,690
to hand out we need to double the target

1375
00:59:53,690 --> 00:59:57,450
we need to reduce the time line at least

1376
00:59:57,450 --> 01:00:02,430
in half that 20-year target set in 2011

1377
01:00:02,430 --> 01:00:05,820
to not be there until 2030 and then we

1378
01:00:05,820 --> 01:00:07,650
need to wait 40 years for those trees to

1379
01:00:07,650 --> 01:00:11,730
grow it's not going to work we need to

1380
01:00:11,730 --> 01:00:13,350
increase partnerships to include

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01:00:13,350 --> 01:00:16,040
community groups and then sustain

1382
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:18,570
strategic alliances to include the same

1383
01:00:18,570 --> 01:00:20,880
the community groups are there to take

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01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,380
advantage of to get the trees in the

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01:00:22,380 --> 01:00:23,850
ground but they're not there for

1386
01:00:23,850 --> 01:00:27,210
continuing support we need to install

1387
01:00:27,210 --> 01:00:29,310
committees with term limits so that we

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01:00:29,310 --> 01:00:31,440
can have young vibrant people who want

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01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,350
to get the job done thanks very much to

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01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:36,180
the people who on the on the committees

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01:00:36,180 --> 01:00:39,600
God'll um they've been great we have to

1392
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,690
move on for affordability we need to

1393
01:00:42,690 --> 01:00:44,760
reduce tree calliper now I know there

1394
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:48,000
was no cheese I'm at 450 and I'm just

1395
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,380
gonna read them out to you there we go

1396
01:00:49,380 --> 01:00:53,250
you have to work out why so utilizing

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01:00:53,250 --> 01:00:56,580
volunteer plantings reduce space

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01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:58,680
required between trees a healthy forest

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01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:02,100
isn't specimen trees we need to include

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01:01:02,100 --> 01:01:04,080
shrubs wherever possible they improve

1401
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,230
soil reduce compaction protect the roots

1402
01:01:07,230 --> 01:01:09,180
we need to set in motion a new tree

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01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,920
management plan but don't wait for

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01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,800
completion of it to begin here we need

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01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,630
to coordinate with grey infrastructure

1406
01:01:15,630 --> 01:01:18,000
roads and utilities for tree priority

1407
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:20,550
not equals not equal billing we need

1408
01:01:20,550 --> 01:01:22,859
less priority on tree inventory its ups

1409
01:01:22,859 --> 01:01:25,230
the budget and the stuff we need to

1410
01:01:25,230 --> 01:01:26,850
increase priority of trees in the ground

1411
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,520
we need to utilize bare root plantings a

1412
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,130
bare root blitz for three weeks annually

1413
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:34,560
it's a quarter of the cost per tree and

1414
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,900
we have volunteers who would be happy to

1415
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,730
knock on doors to find locations to get

1416
01:01:38,730 --> 01:01:41,880
those trees in we need to increase

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01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,250
species selection yet again including

1418
01:01:44,250 --> 01:01:46,260
fast-growing species biodiversity

1419
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:48,300
requires this and we need faster shade

1420
01:01:48,300 --> 01:01:51,000
we need to increase water coarse buffer

1421
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,250
zones remove requirement for parking

1422
01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:54,480
lots to be paved

1423
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:57,390
seems off-topic that's totally not we

1424
01:01:57,390 --> 01:02:00,090
need to include 30% Dutch white clover

1425
01:02:00,090 --> 01:02:02,090
seed we're planting grass

1426
01:02:02,090 --> 01:02:04,160
we need to keep bringing a tree bylaw

1427
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,050
forward until we actually get it through

1428
01:02:06,050 --> 01:02:08,570
and we need to treat this focus in this

1429
01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:10,610
request on the urban forest canopy as

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01:02:10,610 --> 01:02:12,920
though future generations are counting

1431
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,820
on you and that's it 543 thank you very

1432
01:02:16,820 --> 01:02:20,270
much if I may ask if you have an

1433
01:02:20,270 --> 01:02:21,740
electronic version of that or a

1434
01:02:21,740 --> 01:02:23,900
photocopy of it that I'll be happy to

1435
01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:25,220
take a picture of at the center to my

1436
01:02:25,220 --> 01:02:31,520
favorite counselor well they'll he have

1437
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:37,020
to satisfy it has a question yes you

1438
01:02:37,030 --> 01:02:39,440
have a question that's exactly what I

1439
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:44,240
was gonna ask see sir Wilson's

1440
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,630
okay just you're suggesting that we're

1441
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:49,310
not going far enough we're not acting oh

1442
01:02:49,310 --> 01:02:51,440
god no okay not even close

1443
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,170
I just you talked about adaptation and

1444
01:02:54,170 --> 01:02:55,780
mitigation I just wonder if you could

1445
01:02:55,780 --> 01:03:00,530
vote for us adaptation is enabling the

1446
01:03:00,530 --> 01:03:02,630
city and to the responsibility of the

1447
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:06,170
city like sewers sidewalks roads some

1448
01:03:06,170 --> 01:03:11,360
heat relief some shade but the next

1449
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,690
generations are counting on living here

1450
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:16,460
we're not covering that part that's not

1451
01:03:16,460 --> 01:03:18,500
adapting we they won't be able to adapt

1452
01:03:18,500 --> 01:03:21,950
unless we can mitigate thank you

1453
01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:23,390
so the mitigation was in our strategic

1454
01:03:23,390 --> 01:03:25,370
plan around climate change we do have

1455
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:26,870
mitigation planning that's in place as

1456
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:29,090
well okay any other questions of the

1457
01:03:29,090 --> 01:03:35,980
presenter no sir reporter thank you yes

1458
01:03:35,980 --> 01:03:38,170
if we're going to be putting grass

1459
01:03:38,170 --> 01:03:40,640
anywhere near trees it ought to have

1460
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:41,960
something to feed it for the first

1461
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:45,340
several years it's you know 30 percent

1462
01:03:45,340 --> 01:03:48,890
seed coverage won't be so much that it

1463
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:52,640
looks unsightly but it will feed okay

1464
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,940
thank you motion to receive presentation

1465
01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:57,860
council Garcia councillor dodge all in

1466
01:03:57,860 --> 01:04:04,190
favor carried thank you okay so now I

1467
01:04:04,190 --> 01:04:08,210
could have a motion for this 3.1 it's on

1468
01:04:08,210 --> 01:04:09,590
the screen behind me who wants to make

1469
01:04:09,590 --> 01:04:12,260
this motion councillor Cisco SEC another

1470
01:04:12,260 --> 01:04:15,770
counselor Littleton question council

1471
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:18,740
million I'd just like a make an

1472
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:21,770
amendment that hopefully friendly that

1473
01:04:21,770 --> 01:04:25,370
staff consider miss hanlin's 15

1474
01:04:25,370 --> 01:04:31,820
recommendations we could actually I mean

1475
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:33,620
it's a friendly amendment but I'm if we

1476
01:04:33,620 --> 01:04:37,610
could add on to that and that staff take

1477
01:04:37,610 --> 01:04:39,520
those recommendations and present

1478
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:42,140
budgetary impacts to the to the budget

1479
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:44,330
committee in the new year I recognize

1480
01:04:44,330 --> 01:04:46,190
that it's a long list I'm not expecting

1481
01:04:46,190 --> 01:04:48,770
it in the first quarter but if it can be

1482
01:04:48,770 --> 01:04:51,410
a part of a budget presentation in the

1483
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:55,130
new year in 2020 so it's not okay okay

1484
01:04:55,130 --> 01:04:58,070
councillor Wilson and thank you this

1485
01:04:58,070 --> 01:04:59,720
dovetails into the climate change

1486
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,550
emergency and climate change issues in

1487
01:05:01,550 --> 01:05:03,470
general is when are we gonna get a

1488
01:05:03,470 --> 01:05:05,300
report back on progress that we're

1489
01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:07,340
making is there and hopefully hopefully

1490
01:05:07,340 --> 01:05:09,680
we're tightening timelines on this is

1491
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,530
this gonna be an annual so I I don't

1492
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:14,000
know if you look at the agenda but we do

1493
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,440
have a presentation on the climate

1494
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,150
change adaptation coordinate I know I

1495
01:05:17,150 --> 01:05:19,430
know but just on tree planting Irena get

1496
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:22,430
an annual report on how we're progress

1497
01:05:22,430 --> 01:05:24,230
for making on this area in this

1498
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:26,630
area sorry I would say let's wait for

1499
01:05:26,630 --> 01:05:28,790
the the coordinators discussion on this

1500
01:05:28,790 --> 01:05:30,620
on climate cuz that that's her her job

1501
01:05:30,620 --> 01:05:32,960
is climate change adaptation so let's

1502
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,920
wait for that at that point thank you so

1503
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,110
call a question through you mr. mayor

1504
01:05:39,110 --> 01:05:40,870
Councillor Phillips

1505
01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:45,460
councillor Miller yes yes reporter yeah

1506
01:05:45,460 --> 01:05:47,810
councillor Littleton yes councillor

1507
01:05:47,810 --> 01:05:50,990
Kushner councillor Cisco yes councillor

1508
01:05:50,990 --> 01:05:53,840
Harris councillor Garcia yes bouncer

1509
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:54,800
dodge yeah

1510
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,420
councillor Sorrento yes councillor

1511
01:05:56,420 --> 01:05:58,820
Townsend yes councillor Williamson yes

1512
01:05:58,820 --> 01:06:01,550
and marry Sansa yes carried unanimously

1513
01:06:01,550 --> 01:06:03,890
okay now we have engineering facilities

1514
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:06,560
environmental services and miss Olivia

1515
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,310
Gulf will be coming forward cross right

1516
01:06:09,310 --> 01:06:13,070
climate change adaptation coordinator to

1517
01:06:13,070 --> 01:06:20,430
present on this with the

1518
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,510
that's the first time presentation so

1519
01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:25,990
welcome to City Council and again just

1520
01:06:25,990 --> 01:06:27,430
identify yourself for the public and

1521
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:28,600
you're off to the races

1522
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,210
okay so good evening mr. mayor

1523
01:06:31,210 --> 01:06:33,970
councillors city st. Catharines staff

1524
01:06:33,970 --> 01:06:35,980
my name is Olivia Groff and I am your

1525
01:06:35,980 --> 01:06:37,780
climate change adaptation coordinator so

1526
01:06:37,780 --> 01:06:39,340
it's nice to finally I got a chance to

1527
01:06:39,340 --> 01:06:43,450
come out here so it's just so the agenda

1528
01:06:43,450 --> 01:06:45,400
here tonight I'm going to be doing a

1529
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,720
little bit an overview of the corporate

1530
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,370
initiatives I've taken place to date a

1531
01:06:48,370 --> 01:06:50,710
small background on climate change

1532
01:06:50,710 --> 01:06:52,090
examples of climate change and the

1533
01:06:52,090 --> 01:06:54,070
extreme weather events we've been facing

1534
01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:55,750
here in st. Catharines and globally as

1535
01:06:55,750 --> 01:06:58,030
well as a little bit on the development

1536
01:06:58,030 --> 01:07:01,840
of the adaptation plan itself so as an

1537
01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:03,400
overview of the corporate initiatives

1538
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,890
that have taken place there has been a

1539
01:07:05,890 --> 01:07:08,110
new strategic plan on that specifically

1540
01:07:08,110 --> 01:07:09,940
meant mentions climate change which is

1541
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:12,460
great to see st. Catharines declared a

1542
01:07:12,460 --> 01:07:17,230
climate emergency on April 29th and st.

1543
01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:18,490
Catharines was actually 29th in

1544
01:07:18,490 --> 01:07:20,200
declaring a climate emergency and there

1545
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,510
have been approximately 470 cities have

1546
01:07:22,510 --> 01:07:25,180
declared a climate emergency to date the

1547
01:07:25,180 --> 01:07:26,860
first was actually in January by

1548
01:07:26,860 --> 01:07:32,680
Vancouver so in line with making sure

1549
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,260
that we're on track and we have things

1550
01:07:35,260 --> 01:07:37,720
in mind the main contributor to climate

1551
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,010
change or an increase in greenhouse

1552
01:07:39,010 --> 01:07:41,200
gases and the conversion of forest to

1553
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,390
agriculture which is why greenhouse gas

1554
01:07:43,390 --> 01:07:45,370
reduction targets are so important so

1555
01:07:45,370 --> 01:07:46,900
back in 2017

1556
01:07:46,900 --> 01:07:49,060
the council actually endorsed a

1557
01:07:49,060 --> 01:07:51,910
community target and they fall quite

1558
01:07:51,910 --> 01:07:53,350
closely in line with the corporate

1559
01:07:53,350 --> 01:07:55,720
targets that were recently approved by

1560
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,210
council in October and this really stem

1561
01:07:58,210 --> 01:07:59,830
from the energy conservation demand

1562
01:07:59,830 --> 01:08:02,860
management plan and to date there has

1563
01:08:02,860 --> 01:08:05,110
been a 25% reduction in greenhouse gas

1564
01:08:05,110 --> 01:08:07,450
intensity with the target being of 2030

1565
01:08:07,450 --> 01:08:09,040
which lines similar to the community

1566
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:13,780
target a 40% reduction a partnership

1567
01:08:13,780 --> 01:08:15,250
that was entered with the city of st.

1568
01:08:15,250 --> 01:08:16,450
Catherine's along with six other

1569
01:08:16,450 --> 01:08:18,850
municipalities is nagger adopts which is

1570
01:08:18,850 --> 01:08:21,790
formed with Brock University there was

1571
01:08:21,790 --> 01:08:24,280
entered a Memorandum of Understanding in

1572
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,710
August and there was just a negra DAPs

1573
01:08:26,710 --> 01:08:28,360
launch event that happened last week as

1574
01:08:28,360 --> 01:08:30,460
well so that was really kick starting

1575
01:08:30,460 --> 01:08:32,950
everything these are the partnerships

1576
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:34,440
that are

1577
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:36,839
and the goal of this project is really

1578
01:08:36,839 --> 01:08:40,200
to make an auto paint walk us kind of

1579
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,880
basically through building an adaptation

1580
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:44,900
plan through planning and implementation

1581
01:08:44,900 --> 01:08:48,870
there is a Community Survey that is up

1582
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:50,730
on the city st. Catharines website where

1583
01:08:50,730 --> 01:08:51,990
we're trying to get as many community

1584
01:08:51,990 --> 01:08:54,000
participants to fill it out as much as

1585
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,310
possible and there is an incentive of a

1586
01:08:56,310 --> 01:08:58,770
three hundred dollar prize draw just in

1587
01:08:58,770 --> 01:09:00,569
time hopefully for some Christmas

1588
01:09:00,569 --> 01:09:05,250
shopping so the big kind of big

1589
01:09:05,250 --> 01:09:06,870
definitions for climate changes

1590
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:10,530
mitigation and adaptation so mitigation

1591
01:09:10,530 --> 01:09:12,240
really is all about reducing the

1592
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,859
emissions that contribute to climate

1593
01:09:13,859 --> 01:09:17,640
change so things such as LED upgrades

1594
01:09:17,640 --> 01:09:20,310
that city center formed was a mitigation

1595
01:09:20,310 --> 01:09:24,020
action trying to reduce our reliance on

1596
01:09:24,020 --> 01:09:26,130
electric are trying to rely more on

1597
01:09:26,130 --> 01:09:27,870
electric vehicles and less on gas is

1598
01:09:27,870 --> 01:09:30,720
another mitigation action adaptation

1599
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,359
actions are really about minimizing or

1600
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:34,859
preventing the negative impacts of

1601
01:09:34,859 --> 01:09:37,109
climate change so those can be things

1602
01:09:37,109 --> 01:09:38,850
such as rain barrels on the tree

1603
01:09:38,850 --> 01:09:40,859
giveaways those will fall in line with

1604
01:09:40,859 --> 01:09:43,109
the adaptation actions as well and

1605
01:09:43,109 --> 01:09:45,180
making sure that citizens are aware that

1606
01:09:45,180 --> 01:09:47,040
we want the water to go where we want it

1607
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,109
to go so cleaning ditches and catch

1608
01:09:49,109 --> 01:09:52,589
basins is very important some global

1609
01:09:52,589 --> 01:09:54,360
events that we have seen in this past

1610
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,060
year there was hurricane durian that

1611
01:09:57,060 --> 01:09:59,880
happened to happened in September so not

1612
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,060
only from the devastation that it causes

1613
01:10:02,060 --> 01:10:05,220
from the viewpoint of infrastructure

1614
01:10:05,220 --> 01:10:08,190
there's also mental health impacts as

1615
01:10:08,190 --> 01:10:11,120
well or the psychological impacts and

1616
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,290
then it hit a little bit closer to home

1617
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:16,770
in Nova Scotia and we saw a lot of

1618
01:10:16,770 --> 01:10:18,150
infrastructure not only hard

1619
01:10:18,150 --> 01:10:19,710
infrastructure but green infrastructure

1620
01:10:19,710 --> 01:10:24,060
damaged as well and so from all this we

1621
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:26,070
can see it does hit the pocketbook so

1622
01:10:26,070 --> 01:10:29,610
the economic impact and there was a

1623
01:10:29,610 --> 01:10:31,860
20-19 report which identifies Canada's

1624
01:10:31,860 --> 01:10:33,900
physical infrastructure as one of the

1625
01:10:33,900 --> 01:10:36,660
country's top climate change risks so in

1626
01:10:36,660 --> 01:10:38,670
the absence of adaptation and not

1627
01:10:38,670 --> 01:10:40,650
preparing for the future climate change

1628
01:10:40,650 --> 01:10:42,810
will cost Canaan taxpayers between 21

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01:10:42,810 --> 01:10:45,990
and 43 billion annually by 2050

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01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:47,580
however research

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01:10:47,580 --> 01:10:49,230
shows that for every dollar invested in

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01:10:49,230 --> 01:10:51,810
pre-disaster adaptation activities up to

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01:10:51,810 --> 01:10:53,100
six dollars can be saved and

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01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:54,930
post-disaster recovery spending and

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01:10:54,930 --> 01:10:56,820
that's by a pretty recent report which

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01:10:56,820 --> 01:11:01,920
is just in October so to move towards

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,510
kind of how how we're experiencing

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01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:05,640
things in st. Catharines st. Catharines

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01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,830
and agra has experienced 52 extreme

1640
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:09,390
weather warnings in the past two years

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01:11:09,390 --> 01:11:11,580
and that's in counting over the past

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01:11:11,580 --> 01:11:15,810
weekend we had freezing rain we are

1643
01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:17,520
seeing a rise in heat warnings issued

1644
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:20,070
for the for the Nagar region and st.

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01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:22,620
Catharines sink Athens was swamped with

1646
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:24,330
basement flooding which we saw this past

1647
01:11:24,330 --> 01:11:28,110
summer as well as cleanup from windstorm

1648
01:11:28,110 --> 01:11:30,720
so the windstorm that we had even on

1649
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,240
Halloween night that was another recent

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01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:36,480
storm event so taking all this into

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01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:39,840
effect developing the adaptation plan is

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01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,190
really where this is all going to come

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01:11:41,190 --> 01:11:43,680
together so an internal climate

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01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,690
adaptation team has already been formed

1655
01:11:45,690 --> 01:11:48,090
and it's a inter departmental team

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01:11:48,090 --> 01:11:50,520
working across the various departments

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01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,130
of the city st. Catharines and the role

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01:11:53,130 --> 01:11:55,800
will be to assess the impacts refine and

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01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,980
adopt a corporate adaptation plan and

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01:11:57,980 --> 01:12:00,450
council approval will take plates place

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01:12:00,450 --> 01:12:05,710
once a draft plan is actually complete

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,820
another component to this actual plan is

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01:12:08,820 --> 01:12:10,770
the communication and outreach component

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01:12:10,770 --> 01:12:13,500
to it as well so the goal being to

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01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:15,690
increase climate literacy internally

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01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:17,670
with staff across all departments in the

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01:12:17,670 --> 01:12:19,890
community so we're doing this both

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01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:22,800
through internal city staff outlets as

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01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:26,340
well as external to the public so we do

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01:12:26,340 --> 01:12:28,110
have with the nacre adapts partnership

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01:12:28,110 --> 01:12:29,730
that I talked about a little bit earlier

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01:12:29,730 --> 01:12:31,620
there has been a community engagement

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01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:33,810
opportunity so this was a set up at the

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01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:35,790
st. Catharines farmer market a couple

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01:12:35,790 --> 01:12:38,430
Thursday's ago will be there again next

1676
01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:41,190
Thursday and this is where we had a

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01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:43,290
booth set up about water conservation we

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01:12:43,290 --> 01:12:44,670
had the computer set up where people

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01:12:44,670 --> 01:12:46,230
could fill out the survey right then on

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01:12:46,230 --> 01:12:48,720
the spot or take it home to fill out on

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01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:51,750
their own time and then adds of November

1682
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:53,670
22nd we've had three hundred and three

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01:12:53,670 --> 01:12:55,920
surveys complete for st. Catharines the

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01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:57,360
goal through Negra docks was to have a

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01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:59,310
hundred people participate

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01:12:59,310 --> 01:13:00,600
in the survey so we're already above

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01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:04,110
that which is great so the next step for

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01:13:04,110 --> 01:13:06,930
adaptation adaptation is an easy thing

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01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:10,290
an update adaptation is going to cost so

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01:13:10,290 --> 01:13:11,790
the more we can prepare for it now

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01:13:11,790 --> 01:13:15,090
the better we will be in the end so

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01:13:15,090 --> 01:13:17,240
working through the next steps will be

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01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,530
further work on the climate impacts

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01:13:19,530 --> 01:13:22,140
develop a climate policy which we will

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01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:24,840
seek council approval the survey results

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01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:27,210
for Niagara taps will be coming out in

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01:13:27,210 --> 01:13:28,950
the new year as well as will continue

1698
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:31,860
public feedback and comments as well as

1699
01:13:31,860 --> 01:13:34,170
the adaptation plan itself will seek

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01:13:34,170 --> 01:13:38,460
council approval so in conclusion we

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01:13:38,460 --> 01:13:40,410
have targets in place a climate

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01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:42,780
adaptation plan is in motion and we have

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01:13:42,780 --> 01:13:45,600
community support which we have seen and

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01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,340
entering the nearest new year with some

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01:13:47,340 --> 01:13:49,950
great momentum for 2020 and making sure

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01:13:49,950 --> 01:13:54,270
that we're ready for the steps ahead ok

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01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:56,130
thank you very much for a very thorough

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01:13:56,130 --> 01:13:57,840
presentation and a great job on your

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01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,360
first presentation to council so Olivia

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01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,070
you'll be taking a seat or you want us

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01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:07,710
to stay up here ok you don't want to be

1712
01:14:07,710 --> 01:14:15,660
in the hot seat councillor Kersey have a

1713
01:14:15,660 --> 01:14:19,560
question Thank You mr. mayor can we ask

1714
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,470
questions sitting down over there so

1715
01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:25,260
just you mentioned I think that there

1716
01:14:25,260 --> 01:14:27,450
were 52 extreme events in the past two

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01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:30,150
years and I was just wondering how does

1718
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:31,860
that compare to previous history do you

1719
01:14:31,860 --> 01:14:35,010
know that wasn't actually something that

1720
01:14:35,010 --> 01:14:37,410
I looked into that will be something

1721
01:14:37,410 --> 01:14:39,330
that I definitely can look into I'm not

1722
01:14:39,330 --> 01:14:41,400
sure how that impacts just from climate

1723
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,290
change we've noticed that things are

1724
01:14:43,290 --> 01:14:45,150
becoming more frequent and more severe

1725
01:14:45,150 --> 01:14:48,170
so that takes into account wind storms

1726
01:14:48,170 --> 01:14:50,580
freezing rain and all that but not

1727
01:14:50,580 --> 01:14:53,700
specifically yeah Thank You Sergio mr.

1728
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:55,140
mayor I would think that that is

1729
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:57,150
probably quite dramatic compared to what

1730
01:14:57,150 --> 01:14:59,610
we've had in the past the second

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01:14:59,610 --> 01:15:01,800
question was one of the communication

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01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:03,789
objectives is the communicate

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01:15:03,789 --> 01:15:06,070
to the public have you got any thoughts

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01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:07,900
as to how to do that because that's a

1735
01:15:07,900 --> 01:15:10,119
big challenge we have from for

1736
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:12,400
everything we do because you know years

1737
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,230
ago as I always say we had the paper

1738
01:15:14,230 --> 01:15:16,420
everybody read it read it now it's a

1739
01:15:16,420 --> 01:15:20,349
question of website versus tax bill or

1740
01:15:20,349 --> 01:15:21,730
how do we let the public know about

1741
01:15:21,730 --> 01:15:25,690
something like this so the survey itself

1742
01:15:25,690 --> 01:15:27,489
has been a really good outlet on that's

1743
01:15:27,489 --> 01:15:29,679
not operated through the st. Catharines

1744
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:31,119
nagger adopts is collecting all the

1745
01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:32,650
information they're going to assemble it

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01:15:32,650 --> 01:15:34,059
for us which is the great thing about

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01:15:34,059 --> 01:15:37,000
the partnership and we're going to just

1748
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,130
be trying to get out to like these

1749
01:15:39,130 --> 01:15:40,840
community events that were going to the

1750
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:42,369
farmers market is providing a really

1751
01:15:42,369 --> 01:15:44,260
good opportunity for us to engage with

1752
01:15:44,260 --> 01:15:46,989
the public the climate strikes again

1753
01:15:46,989 --> 01:15:49,360
I've been going to those to kind of hear

1754
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:51,059
what what's been said and on the ground

1755
01:15:51,059 --> 01:15:53,500
so there's just well we'll keep we'll

1756
01:15:53,500 --> 01:15:55,269
keep working through all the different

1757
01:15:55,269 --> 01:15:58,960
areas that we possibly can councillor

1758
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,289
Garcia just a Miller

1759
01:16:01,289 --> 01:16:04,150
actually council Garcia asked my

1760
01:16:04,150 --> 01:16:05,579
question all right counselor

1761
01:16:05,579 --> 01:16:07,360
Williamson you had your hand up and kill

1762
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,369
civilians thank you just back to my

1763
01:16:09,369 --> 01:16:13,829
question timelines we unanimously

1764
01:16:13,829 --> 01:16:16,269
approve this climate change declaration

1765
01:16:16,269 --> 01:16:17,739
last April an hour

1766
01:16:17,739 --> 01:16:20,889
it's the end of the year what when are

1767
01:16:20,889 --> 01:16:22,599
we gonna get reports back and I just

1768
01:16:22,599 --> 01:16:24,190
wanted to get lay out I mean I like what

1769
01:16:24,190 --> 01:16:25,630
I'm seeing to be quite honest I'm

1770
01:16:25,630 --> 01:16:27,639
impressed I just wonder what the timing

1771
01:16:27,639 --> 01:16:30,849
is going to be like yeah so for the

1772
01:16:30,849 --> 01:16:32,440
climate change policy we're really

1773
01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:33,820
hoping to get that in place for the

1774
01:16:33,820 --> 01:16:35,800
first quarter and then for the

1775
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:37,800
adaptation plan itself we're hoping for

1776
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:41,320
the third quarter so by basically next

1777
01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,960
fall we'll have a draft plan for

1778
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:45,639
Council's approval and we'll see some

1779
01:16:45,639 --> 01:16:53,079
pragmatic actions like it'll really

1780
01:16:53,079 --> 01:16:55,929
depend on the actual plan itself what it

1781
01:16:55,929 --> 01:16:57,699
comes out with so what those actions are

1782
01:16:57,699 --> 01:17:00,449
I can't comment on that right now but

1783
01:17:00,449 --> 01:17:02,650
hopefully it'll be a good one so give

1784
01:17:02,650 --> 01:17:05,019
you a regular fixture here yeah thank

1785
01:17:05,019 --> 01:17:07,480
you that's actually a good point coastal

1786
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:08,440
waves in his

1787
01:17:08,440 --> 01:17:10,330
sure that we have the allocation so that

1788
01:17:10,330 --> 01:17:11,830
we'd have staff that are focused on this

1789
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:13,060
we can't just declare kind of an

1790
01:17:13,060 --> 01:17:15,310
emergency and not have it on the corner

1791
01:17:15,310 --> 01:17:17,920
of the staffs desk and us wishing that

1792
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,030
something gets done so that's a great

1793
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:20,800
point good point

1794
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,080
councillor Phillips Thank You mr.

1795
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:26,050
America in your organization you

1796
01:17:26,050 --> 01:17:27,270
indicated you have seven municipalities

1797
01:17:27,270 --> 01:17:30,910
presently as members where's the rest of

1798
01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:31,420
Meg

1799
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:34,600
have they been approached and not are

1800
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:36,400
they on their own or what's the story

1801
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,540
with that um so for the so I'm not

1802
01:17:40,540 --> 01:17:42,940
representing Brock University with a

1803
01:17:42,940 --> 01:17:45,219
negra adopts but really how that all

1804
01:17:45,219 --> 01:17:47,830
stemmed was from securing a grant to

1805
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:50,110
hire climate change coordinator

1806
01:17:50,110 --> 01:17:51,760
specifically some of those

1807
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:54,460
municipalities I guess didn't go after

1808
01:17:54,460 --> 01:17:59,050
the funding or they didn't have the the

1809
01:17:59,050 --> 01:18:01,660
anks to go for a climate change

1810
01:18:01,660 --> 01:18:03,550
coordinator there are two different

1811
01:18:03,550 --> 01:18:05,050
streams so there are municipalities that

1812
01:18:05,050 --> 01:18:06,820
are going after a mitigation stream and

1813
01:18:06,820 --> 01:18:07,870
their arm you know spies are doing the

1814
01:18:07,870 --> 01:18:09,520
adaptation stream which the city st.

1815
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,250
Catharines is so there are a couple

1816
01:18:12,250 --> 01:18:13,449
municipalities they're just doing a

1817
01:18:13,449 --> 01:18:16,090
little bit it's a little a different

1818
01:18:16,090 --> 01:18:17,680
plan essentially so they're on there

1819
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:19,600
they're doing something but they're on

1820
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:20,050
their own

1821
01:18:20,050 --> 01:18:24,160
yep and you've done a lot of work within

1822
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,110
the municipality of st. Catharines how

1823
01:18:26,110 --> 01:18:28,989
often does your group nagger adapt meet

1824
01:18:28,989 --> 01:18:31,600
and and you discuss issues that are

1825
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,540
common with with those municipalities

1826
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:37,090
yep I think it's probably on average but

1827
01:18:37,090 --> 01:18:39,070
every other so the coordinators it sells

1828
01:18:39,070 --> 01:18:41,949
we're meeting actually every months

1829
01:18:41,949 --> 01:18:44,320
not through Nagar adapts but we're all

1830
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:46,330
getting together to kind of figure out

1831
01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:48,790
where we are on our plans and to discuss

1832
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:52,360
this issue as well as for the negra DAP

1833
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:53,860
so it's probably on average every other

1834
01:18:53,860 --> 01:18:55,540
month thank you

1835
01:18:55,540 --> 01:18:58,630
and what's what's good about the

1836
01:18:58,630 --> 01:19:01,570
position is that olivia is working

1837
01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:03,250
directly with mark green as well so

1838
01:19:03,250 --> 01:19:05,199
those of you around council know mark

1839
01:19:05,199 --> 01:19:08,110
greenness is very is very involved in a

1840
01:19:08,110 --> 01:19:10,780
lot of the climate change mitigation and

1841
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:12,219
what we're working on here at the city

1842
01:19:12,219 --> 01:19:13,660
and so she's working directly with

1843
01:19:13,660 --> 01:19:15,670
market because she works for the city

1844
01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:18,100
under i anthony if you want to jump in

1845
01:19:18,100 --> 01:19:21,320
there yeah so Olivia works for

1846
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:26,030
ifvs through barks group she we secured

1847
01:19:26,030 --> 01:19:28,960
funding to be able to obtain a

1848
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,980
adaptation coordinator to help us put

1849
01:19:30,980 --> 01:19:33,560
together our plan the Niagra adapts

1850
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,900
group is actually a memorandum of Understanding that the

1851
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:41,329
city entered into with seven other

1852
01:19:41,329 --> 01:19:44,360
municipalities and brock to provide some

1853
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:46,460
technical support to assist us in

1854
01:19:46,460 --> 01:19:50,349
developing the climate adaptation plan

1855
01:19:50,349 --> 01:19:53,469
okay see no other further questions of a

1856
01:19:53,469 --> 01:19:57,860
counselor reporter kind of a big

1857
01:19:57,860 --> 01:20:01,550
question I'm I'm just wondering if

1858
01:20:01,550 --> 01:20:02,780
there's enough I don't know when our

1859
01:20:02,780 --> 01:20:05,989
official plan is due how many years away

1860
01:20:05,989 --> 01:20:08,630
are we from a new official directive

1861
01:20:08,630 --> 01:20:12,980
planning through the mayor to the

1862
01:20:12,980 --> 01:20:14,869
counselor the city's official plan is a

1863
01:20:14,869 --> 01:20:17,630
twenty five-year plan the last time we

1864
01:20:17,630 --> 01:20:20,119
did a brand-new official plan was 2010

1865
01:20:20,119 --> 01:20:23,360
and we update it every five years or so

1866
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,969
we're currently undergoing our current

1867
01:20:25,969 --> 01:20:28,099
municipal comprehensive review and

1868
01:20:28,099 --> 01:20:29,989
that's been scoped to deal with the land

1869
01:20:29,989 --> 01:20:31,940
needs assessment so the employment land

1870
01:20:31,940 --> 01:20:33,320
needs assessment the commercial land

1871
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:35,090
needs assessment and the residential

1872
01:20:35,090 --> 01:20:36,860
land needs assessment and that is being

1873
01:20:36,860 --> 01:20:41,239
presented to council in q1 2020 okay I'm

1874
01:20:41,239 --> 01:20:43,369
just curious if there's any possibility

1875
01:20:43,369 --> 01:20:45,650
to address climate change or if you've

1876
01:20:45,650 --> 01:20:48,920
seen other municipalities address

1877
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,469
climate mitigation and adaptation issues

1878
01:20:51,469 --> 01:20:53,810
and their official plan is that in any

1879
01:20:53,810 --> 01:20:57,470
of the conferences you've been to

1880
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:59,560
through the mayor to the councillor I

1881
01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,170
think typically what we see are greater

1882
01:21:02,170 --> 01:21:04,270
initiatives around climate change like

1883
01:21:04,270 --> 01:21:06,130
what we've just heard from our climate

1884
01:21:06,130 --> 01:21:08,320
change coordinator and that they're done

1885
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:11,110
corporately because they include not

1886
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:12,490
just growth related aspects but

1887
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:15,190
operational related aspects as well so I

1888
01:21:15,190 --> 01:21:17,380
think in this circumstance it might make

1889
01:21:17,380 --> 01:21:19,240
sense to let some of that work play out

1890
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,570
and then tie it into our planning

1891
01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:24,850
policies that the next opportunity for a

1892
01:21:24,850 --> 01:21:28,210
review Jane Thank You councillor Porter

1893
01:21:28,210 --> 01:21:32,500
any further questions okay and prior to

1894
01:21:32,500 --> 01:21:34,570
the vote and kalsa Williamson and I

1895
01:21:34,570 --> 01:21:36,880
think a direction would be if it's open

1896
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:39,100
for you is that at the budget meeting if

1897
01:21:39,100 --> 01:21:43,710
staff can highlight some of the 2020

1898
01:21:43,710 --> 01:21:46,930
climate mitigations cuz I I think it's

1899
01:21:46,930 --> 01:21:49,150
in the budget and what we're pushing for

1900
01:21:49,150 --> 01:21:50,890
but we're not highlighting it so if we

1901
01:21:50,890 --> 01:21:52,150
can bring that out during budget night

1902
01:21:52,150 --> 01:21:53,800
some of the climate change initiatives

1903
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:55,990
are climate mitigation strategies that

1904
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:57,400
we have it's good to point out that

1905
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:58,570
we're actually budgeting for some of

1906
01:21:58,570 --> 01:22:00,490
this stuff as well okay

1907
01:22:00,490 --> 01:22:04,900
counselor wants to move to motion three

1908
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:08,470
mr. mayor councillor Sorrento yes

1909
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:10,780
councillor Townsend yes councillor

1910
01:22:10,780 --> 01:22:14,470
Williamson yes councillor Cisco yes

1911
01:22:14,470 --> 01:22:16,720
councillor Porter yes councillor Philips

1912
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:17,470
yes

1913
01:22:17,470 --> 01:22:19,150
councillor Miller yes councillor

1914
01:22:19,150 --> 01:22:21,430
Littleton yes councillor kushner yes

1915
01:22:21,430 --> 01:22:24,100
Chancellor Harris councillor Garcia yes

1916
01:22:24,100 --> 01:22:26,350
councillor dodge yes and Mayor CENTAC

1917
01:22:26,350 --> 01:22:28,030
yes carried unanimously

1918
01:22:28,030 --> 01:22:30,880
okay so we move on to three point 3

1919
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:35,200
which is councillor three point three

1920
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:36,790
which is the well and canals Parkway

1921
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:39,040
well and wilfred laurier crest at

1922
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,840
Crescent and I'll look to Anthony

1923
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:43,990
Martucci Oh for some comments through

1924
01:22:43,990 --> 01:22:45,580
you mr. mayor the report before you

1925
01:22:45,580 --> 01:22:47,200
tonight is in response to counsels

1926
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:48,940
motion to review the intersection

1927
01:22:48,940 --> 01:22:51,520
traffic control with theme of assisting

1928
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:53,590
pedestrians crossing long canals Parkway

1929
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:55,690
from Wilfred Laurier crusted to the

1930
01:22:55,690 --> 01:22:57,910
pathway you will see in the report that

1931
01:22:57,910 --> 01:22:59,680
staff undertook an assessment of the

1932
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:01,480
various types of recognised traffic

1933
01:23:01,480 --> 01:23:04,600
control which range in both costs and

1934
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,110
complexity complexity of installation

1935
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:09,880
the process involved undertaking to

1936
01:23:09,880 --> 01:23:10,850
eight-hour

1937
01:23:10,850 --> 01:23:13,190
in vehicle volume counts the results

1938
01:23:13,190 --> 01:23:15,230
identified that pedestrian and vehicle

1939
01:23:15,230 --> 01:23:17,780
volumes on Welford Laurier were

1940
01:23:17,780 --> 01:23:21,710
extremely low in comparison to that of

1941
01:23:21,710 --> 01:23:23,600
the volumes experienced on well on

1942
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:26,060
canals parkway these traffic volumes

1943
01:23:26,060 --> 01:23:27,830
were reviewed in applied to various

1944
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:30,350
industry standards and council approved

1945
01:23:30,350 --> 01:23:32,240
warrants for each of the traffic control

1946
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,190
types the results of the assessment

1947
01:23:34,190 --> 01:23:35,750
indicated that none of the

1948
01:23:35,750 --> 01:23:37,190
justifications are warrants were

1949
01:23:37,190 --> 01:23:40,310
satisfied except for the pedestrian pxo

1950
01:23:40,310 --> 01:23:42,560
however due to operational safety

1951
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:44,690
concerns staff are not recommending any

1952
01:23:44,690 --> 01:23:47,030
of the traffic control measures it

1953
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:48,470
should also be noted that based on

1954
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:50,510
current funding levels for traffic

1955
01:23:50,510 --> 01:23:52,940
signals staff are only able to address

1956
01:23:52,940 --> 01:23:55,160
one intersection per year and those

1957
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,780
funds are reserved to address existing

1958
01:23:56,780 --> 01:24:00,170
signals that are at end of life are in

1959
01:24:00,170 --> 01:24:02,060
poor condition and lack accessible

1960
01:24:02,060 --> 01:24:05,330
accessibility in with respect to the

1961
01:24:05,330 --> 01:24:07,430
always thought even though the cost for

1962
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:09,170
implementing the solution is relatively

1963
01:24:09,170 --> 01:24:11,540
low in comparison to the other means of

1964
01:24:11,540 --> 01:24:13,520
traffic control staff are not

1965
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,140
recommending this type of traffic

1966
01:24:15,140 --> 01:24:16,640
control as the warrants approved by

1967
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,370
council are not satisfied staff have

1968
01:24:19,370 --> 01:24:21,680
concerns that the extreme imbalance in

1969
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,720
traffic volumes could lead to poor

1970
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:25,880
driver habits on well and canals Parkway

1971
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:28,490
where signage is ignored and could

1972
01:24:28,490 --> 01:24:31,970
result in greater safety concerns okay

1973
01:24:31,970 --> 01:24:34,550
thank you mr. Marr to chill so council

1974
01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:35,510
will attend you have a motion on the

1975
01:24:35,510 --> 01:24:36,160
floor

1976
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:38,600
that's right moved by myself seconded by

1977
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:39,980
councillor Miller that where's the

1978
01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:41,210
pedestrians from the residential

1979
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:42,530
neighborhood on the west side of

1980
01:24:42,530 --> 01:24:44,750
Wellington else Parkway wishing to cross

1981
01:24:44,750 --> 01:24:46,550
well and canals Parkway to or from the

1982
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:49,370
pathway must do so at an uncontrolled

1983
01:24:49,370 --> 01:24:51,650
location and where is the installation

1984
01:24:51,650 --> 01:24:53,990
of a pedestrian crossover is not

1985
01:24:53,990 --> 01:24:55,790
appropriate due to operational and

1986
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:57,920
safety limitations therefore be it

1987
01:24:57,920 --> 01:24:59,780
resolved that staff be directed to

1988
01:24:59,780 --> 01:25:01,790
install and always stop at the

1989
01:25:01,790 --> 01:25:03,500
intersection of well and canals Parkway

1990
01:25:03,500 --> 01:25:05,570
and wilfred laurier crescent to provide

1991
01:25:05,570 --> 01:25:08,180
a controlled crossing for pedestrians at

1992
01:25:08,180 --> 01:25:09,380
this location

1993
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:10,790
John just picked me to speak to it now

1994
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:12,710
you can either choose to speak to an

1995
01:25:12,710 --> 01:25:14,180
hour speak to at last what would you

1996
01:25:14,180 --> 01:25:16,610
choose to do you only speak once I'm

1997
01:25:16,610 --> 01:25:18,169
speaking last

1998
01:25:18,169 --> 01:25:22,849
councillor Cisco hey mr. mayor I forgive

1999
01:25:22,849 --> 01:25:24,110
me maybe this is a ridiculous question

2000
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:27,320
but are we able to install and always

2001
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:30,110
stop on well in canals Parkway I thought

2002
01:25:30,110 --> 01:25:33,249
that was Seaway control mr. Marku Cho

2003
01:25:33,249 --> 01:25:38,749
know that that is a that is a city right away okay so we are capable of

2004
01:25:38,749 --> 01:25:40,399
doing this correct

2005
01:25:40,399 --> 01:25:42,320
I feel like we've had conversations in

2006
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,539
the past about changes too low in canals

2007
01:25:44,539 --> 01:25:47,179
Parkway that indicated the opposite

2008
01:25:47,179 --> 01:25:49,149
specifically when we were dealing with

2009
01:25:49,149 --> 01:25:51,979
the new development to the north of

2010
01:25:51,979 --> 01:25:54,229
wilfrid laurier Crescent and the desire

2011
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:55,939
some of the residents to have an outlet

2012
01:25:55,939 --> 01:25:58,669
from the new roads that were going in

2013
01:25:58,669 --> 01:26:00,409
there they wanted to outlet on the wall

2014
01:26:00,409 --> 01:26:02,209
in canals Park man at the time I thought

2015
01:26:02,209 --> 01:26:03,979
the reason that was given to us was that

2016
01:26:03,979 --> 01:26:05,539
we couldn't do that because it was

2017
01:26:05,539 --> 01:26:09,969
Seaway controlled mr. white choo-choo

2018
01:26:09,969 --> 01:26:12,709
that is not the understanding that that

2019
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:14,149
I currently have but I could look it

2020
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:16,039
into that further and and provide you

2021
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:17,329
with that information was it the

2022
01:26:17,329 --> 01:26:19,010
previous kind of like last council that

2023
01:26:19,010 --> 01:26:21,199
was the last term of council it was

2024
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,869
brought by I believe both ward

2025
01:26:23,869 --> 01:26:25,579
councillors were looking for that and it

2026
01:26:25,579 --> 01:26:28,399
was it was not about the opportunity it

2027
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:30,889
was the danger on the corner so they did

2028
01:26:30,889 --> 01:26:33,829
a study on the turn and the volume of

2029
01:26:33,829 --> 01:26:35,689
speed and cars going through it would

2030
01:26:35,689 --> 01:26:37,969
create a blind spot so the cars would be

2031
01:26:37,969 --> 01:26:39,409
traveling at too quick of a distance to

2032
01:26:39,409 --> 01:26:41,989
then stop that's why staff had

2033
01:26:41,989 --> 01:26:43,849
recommended against that so it wasn't

2034
01:26:43,849 --> 01:26:45,530
about not being able to it was the

2035
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:48,380
danger of that corner it was too close

2036
01:26:48,380 --> 01:26:48,979
to the bend

2037
01:26:48,979 --> 01:26:51,979
I remember that discussion but we we can

2038
01:26:51,979 --> 01:26:53,869
pull the report up and send it it's a

2039
01:26:53,869 --> 01:26:55,729
council Phillips and I were both under

2040
01:26:55,729 --> 01:26:56,899
that impression that was the reason why

2041
01:26:56,899 --> 01:26:59,209
I asked initially because it felt like

2042
01:26:59,209 --> 01:27:00,469
that was the reason that was given but

2043
01:27:00,469 --> 01:27:01,760
okay if we're able to do it then I

2044
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:05,320
appreciate that counselor tells him

2045
01:27:05,320 --> 01:27:10,329
Thank You mr. mayor quick question and

2046
01:27:10,329 --> 01:27:13,159
are we able to is sorry it says always

2047
01:27:13,159 --> 01:27:15,649
stop I'm visualizing obviously a stop

2048
01:27:15,649 --> 01:27:17,239
sign but is there like a red flashing

2049
01:27:17,239 --> 01:27:19,820
light what type of I guess my concern

2050
01:27:19,820 --> 01:27:22,399
would be anyone going through a stop

2051
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:24,340
sign are we able to add any type of

2052
01:27:24,340 --> 01:27:27,050
flashing red light below the stop sign

2053
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:28,939
just to make it visible for people

2054
01:27:28,939 --> 01:27:32,120
driving just aware to chill

2055
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,550
our typical always stops do not have

2056
01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:36,230
flashing Reds that that is something

2057
01:27:36,230 --> 01:27:38,480
that we could investigate to bring more

2058
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,010
attention to the intersection however it

2059
01:27:40,010 --> 01:27:42,260
would add to the costs for the

2060
01:27:42,260 --> 01:27:44,900
installation one always thought you'd

2061
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:47,210
have to break power and two to the

2062
01:27:47,210 --> 01:27:48,680
location to be able to provide those

2063
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:51,410
services there and my other question

2064
01:27:51,410 --> 01:27:54,350
would be to the Reds are the residents

2065
01:27:54,350 --> 01:27:56,090
in favor of this obviously there's been

2066
01:27:56,090 --> 01:27:59,030
conversations with residents I guess to

2067
01:27:59,030 --> 01:28:01,970
the ward councillors comes a little too

2068
01:28:01,970 --> 01:28:05,330
near moving the motion but if I speak

2069
01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:06,710
now you can I sell you're just answering

2070
01:28:06,710 --> 01:28:07,460
the question

2071
01:28:07,460 --> 01:28:10,370
yes it's a great concern there's people

2072
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:13,370
cannot get from the community that they

2073
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:15,680
live in plus the additional houses that

2074
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:16,850
are going to be built in their townhouse

2075
01:28:16,850 --> 01:28:18,380
community another couple hundred people

2076
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:20,780
cannot get across while in canals

2077
01:28:20,780 --> 01:28:24,620
Parkway in a safe manner councillor

2078
01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:26,440
Miller do you want to add to that or no

2079
01:28:26,440 --> 01:28:28,910
okay if not that I'm gonna go back to

2080
01:28:28,910 --> 01:28:32,630
the question okay Kelsey Johnson I am I

2081
01:28:32,630 --> 01:28:34,070
would like to add a friendly amendment I

2082
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:35,990
guess my concern here is just the

2083
01:28:35,990 --> 01:28:38,030
visibility of being able to see the stop

2084
01:28:38,030 --> 01:28:40,610
sign I know it is a Parkway is quite

2085
01:28:40,610 --> 01:28:41,840
busy

2086
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,150
I would hope you'll be a friendly

2087
01:28:44,150 --> 01:28:46,790
amendment to add some type of in context

2088
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:50,030
there is a stop sign at the end of Scott

2089
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:53,090
Street and that's in your ward and that

2090
01:28:53,090 --> 01:28:54,590
doesn't have a flashing red light on it

2091
01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:56,900
and people are they stopped there it's

2092
01:28:56,900 --> 01:28:59,500
the same exact same as this one so I

2093
01:28:59,500 --> 01:29:01,160
understand what you're saying it could

2094
01:29:01,160 --> 01:29:03,080
be a temporary signage that says stop

2095
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:05,150
sign being installed and you'd be aware

2096
01:29:05,150 --> 01:29:07,760
new stop sign but long-term I don't

2097
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:09,410
think it needs one okay so we can have

2098
01:29:09,410 --> 01:29:10,880
like a notice of like new stop sign

2099
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:12,350
that's something we can at least have

2100
01:29:12,350 --> 01:29:14,840
mr. Marku cheero notice of stop sign

2101
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,220
coming and then having some kind of

2102
01:29:16,220 --> 01:29:19,550
awareness program to use you mr. mayor

2103
01:29:19,550 --> 01:29:22,400
yes we could provide public notice of

2104
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,990
the new installation of a stop sign at

2105
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:26,030
the intersection okay okay now I would

2106
01:29:26,030 --> 01:29:26,570
be okay with that

2107
01:29:26,570 --> 01:29:29,750
thank you you're right Ithaca who had

2108
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:31,220
her hands up councillor Miller then go

2109
01:29:31,220 --> 01:29:34,010
to councillor Williamson just sort of I

2110
01:29:34,010 --> 01:29:35,510
guess answered councillor Thompson's

2111
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:37,040
question and I span on it we did we've

2112
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,620
heard about this frequently in regularly

2113
01:29:39,620 --> 01:29:41,420
since since the campaign last year and I

2114
01:29:41,420 --> 01:29:43,870
think Kelsey Wilson is probably a

2115
01:29:43,870 --> 01:29:46,480
I think expert by now and maybe if she

2116
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:47,620
wants to switch career she could

2117
01:29:47,620 --> 01:29:48,910
probably get into that by the amount of

2118
01:29:48,910 --> 01:29:51,040
work she does around traffic in our ward

2119
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:52,630
which seems to be a significant problem

2120
01:29:52,630 --> 01:29:55,000
and I think this has a chance I know

2121
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,250
stop signs aren't great for speed

2122
01:29:57,250 --> 01:29:59,050
mitigation but we'll do a little bit and

2123
01:29:59,050 --> 01:30:00,490
hopefully we'll stop some of the

2124
01:30:00,490 --> 01:30:02,980
excessive truck traffic so I think this

2125
01:30:02,980 --> 01:30:04,540
always stop might not be a perfect

2126
01:30:04,540 --> 01:30:06,430
solution but it addresses a number of

2127
01:30:06,430 --> 01:30:10,060
concerns on the street so I think and

2128
01:30:10,060 --> 01:30:12,700
it's it's not costly and we always have

2129
01:30:12,700 --> 01:30:15,370
the opportunity to review these new stop

2130
01:30:15,370 --> 01:30:17,740
locations as we move forward so I think

2131
01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:20,590
this is a good compromise solution for a

2132
01:30:20,590 --> 01:30:22,440
number of issues on one canals Parkway

2133
01:30:22,440 --> 01:30:24,820
you Kelson Miller councillor Williamson

2134
01:30:24,820 --> 01:30:27,700
Thank You mr. Merrick - mr. Martin show

2135
01:30:27,700 --> 01:30:31,330
is is your staff comfortable with having

2136
01:30:31,330 --> 01:30:33,430
this attorneys are also always tough

2137
01:30:33,430 --> 01:30:36,730
this location through you mr. mayor

2138
01:30:36,730 --> 01:30:40,780
staffs recommendation is is for not

2139
01:30:40,780 --> 01:30:43,690
installing and always stop given the

2140
01:30:43,690 --> 01:30:46,450
options that were presented a pedestrian

2141
01:30:46,450 --> 01:30:49,510
crossover and always stop staffer more

2142
01:30:49,510 --> 01:30:51,010
comfortable with it always stopped and

2143
01:30:51,010 --> 01:30:52,810
putting a pedestrian crossover at this

2144
01:30:52,810 --> 01:30:57,520
location in terms is it warranted based

2145
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,610
on the statistics do you miss your Mara

2146
01:31:00,610 --> 01:31:02,680
no it is not warranted based on the

2147
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,220
warrants that were approved by council

2148
01:31:05,220 --> 01:31:09,880
Thank You councillor sweat mr. mayor

2149
01:31:09,880 --> 01:31:13,750
through you to director Marty Jo really

2150
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:15,430
in the horns of dilemma on this one

2151
01:31:15,430 --> 01:31:17,080
because I usually like to support the

2152
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,570
staff recommendation should it be the

2153
01:31:19,570 --> 01:31:22,770
will of council to have the three-way

2154
01:31:22,770 --> 01:31:25,900
stop signs installed is there the

2155
01:31:25,900 --> 01:31:28,500
possibility of this being even more

2156
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:32,680
unsafe for motorists and and perhaps if

2157
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:35,440
you will actually being a little bit

2158
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,260
more dangerous or a little bit more

2159
01:31:38,260 --> 01:31:41,650
unsafe because I understand that on

2160
01:31:41,650 --> 01:31:44,230
these through strict thorough with

2161
01:31:44,230 --> 01:31:46,690
streets main roads arterial roads the

2162
01:31:46,690 --> 01:31:48,400
idea is to keep the traffic flow moving

2163
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,240
and if we were to have install a stop

2164
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:53,170
sign there

2165
01:31:53,170 --> 01:31:56,850
good could it possibly be more unsafe

2166
01:31:56,850 --> 01:31:59,800
through you mr. mayor staffs concerns

2167
01:31:59,800 --> 01:32:02,230
are that due to the imbalance in in

2168
01:32:02,230 --> 01:32:05,920
traffic so 6% of the traffic at that

2169
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,020
intersection is coming from wilfred

2170
01:32:08,020 --> 01:32:10,000
laurier in 94 percent of the traffic is

2171
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:11,470
actually on well on canals parkway so

2172
01:32:11,470 --> 01:32:15,820
our concern is that as as drivers starts

2173
01:32:15,820 --> 01:32:17,800
to realize that when they come up to a

2174
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,840
stop sign there there's no reason to

2175
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,460
stop because there's no pedestrians or

2176
01:32:21,460 --> 01:32:24,250
vehicles that they'll though there's the

2177
01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:26,470
possibility that they'll gain bad habits

2178
01:32:26,470 --> 01:32:28,540
of disobeying the stop sign altogether

2179
01:32:28,540 --> 01:32:31,560
and driving through which could cause

2180
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:35,020
more significant safety concerns at the

2181
01:32:35,020 --> 01:32:36,490
intersection than doesn't currently

2182
01:32:36,490 --> 01:32:39,370
exist mr. mayor I just I'm gonna add

2183
01:32:39,370 --> 01:32:41,740
this very quickly and then I'm not gonna

2184
01:32:41,740 --> 01:32:43,180
say anything else so just make my

2185
01:32:43,180 --> 01:32:46,510
remarks in any ward we have a lot of

2186
01:32:46,510 --> 01:32:50,950
major arterial roads streets and I've

2187
01:32:50,950 --> 01:32:52,390
received a lot of complaints about

2188
01:32:52,390 --> 01:32:55,180
safety crossing Vine Street bunting Road

2189
01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:57,550
Grantham you can make an argument that

2190
01:32:57,550 --> 01:33:01,330
almost on every street secondary main

2191
01:33:01,330 --> 01:33:04,300
arterial road it is dangerous to cross

2192
01:33:04,300 --> 01:33:08,200
so I think I think I've got to go with

2193
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,150
the staff recommendation on this one mr.

2194
01:33:10,150 --> 01:33:13,090
mayor I'm you know I'm going to defer to

2195
01:33:13,090 --> 01:33:15,970
the staff on this one because I think

2196
01:33:15,970 --> 01:33:18,460
the concerns are not only for wilfred

2197
01:33:18,460 --> 01:33:20,380
laurier but throughout the entire city

2198
01:33:20,380 --> 01:33:28,180
so thank you mr. mayor my my thoughts are

2199
01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:31,030
exactly the same I thought we had

2200
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:33,970
delegated authority to staff for stop

2201
01:33:33,970 --> 01:33:40,190
signs all up to the sale

2202
01:33:40,200 --> 01:33:42,490
we did it the reason why it's here is

2203
01:33:42,490 --> 01:33:46,090
because it's been lifted I because

2204
01:33:46,090 --> 01:33:49,840
they're councilor Lord we did and if

2205
01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:51,910
it's contested by either the community

2206
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:53,830
or councilor then it has to come to us

2207
01:33:53,830 --> 01:33:55,600
that's why it's in front of so any

2208
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,160
councilor can bring up the staff denial

2209
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:03,550
yeah okay and the other question I had I

2210
01:34:03,550 --> 01:34:06,100
thought there environmental reasons for

2211
01:34:06,100 --> 01:34:09,700
delegating it to staff that every time

2212
01:34:09,700 --> 01:34:11,950
we have these stop signs there's an

2213
01:34:11,950 --> 01:34:14,440
environmental cost to it could staff

2214
01:34:14,440 --> 01:34:22,360
respond through you mr. mayor if we if

2215
01:34:22,360 --> 01:34:23,950
IKEA may be a little more clarification

2216
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:25,830
on what you mean by environmental

2217
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:34,630
concerns through mr. mayor

2218
01:34:34,630 --> 01:34:37,840
I don't believe that that's something

2219
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,960
that that I've dealt with at least since

2220
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:42,850
taking on the role but it's definitely

2221
01:34:42,850 --> 01:34:45,190
something we could further look further

2222
01:34:45,190 --> 01:34:51,370
into you don't ya say Thank You mr.

2223
01:34:51,370 --> 01:34:51,820
mayor

2224
01:34:51,820 --> 01:34:57,250
I thought previously that our staff did

2225
01:34:57,250 --> 01:35:00,400
express that as a concern I look forward

2226
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,680
to the new directors approach thing

2227
01:35:02,680 --> 01:35:07,990
Council Harris through you mr. mayor to

2228
01:35:07,990 --> 01:35:09,850
the director of Transportation when

2229
01:35:09,850 --> 01:35:12,220
you're answering councilor Sorrento's

2230
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:14,740
questions you're mentioning a boat you

2231
01:35:14,740 --> 01:35:16,750
know it might encourage bad behavior and

2232
01:35:16,750 --> 01:35:18,760
stuff is that not something that the

2233
01:35:18,760 --> 01:35:21,370
police should actually be enforcing so

2234
01:35:21,370 --> 01:35:23,410
perhaps part of this motion when we put

2235
01:35:23,410 --> 01:35:24,730
in a stop saying we could actually

2236
01:35:24,730 --> 01:35:26,830
request the NRP to monitor it for the

2237
01:35:26,830 --> 01:35:30,160
first little bit through you mr. mayor

2238
01:35:30,160 --> 01:35:33,070
you're corrected disobeying stop signs

2239
01:35:33,070 --> 01:35:34,660
would become an enforcement issue

2240
01:35:34,660 --> 01:35:37,960
however the staff would still get

2241
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,110
complaints with regards to traffic

2242
01:35:41,110 --> 01:35:42,760
issues at the intersection but we could

2243
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:44,140
definitely reach out the NRP

2244
01:35:44,140 --> 01:35:46,450
and notify them of the always thought

2245
01:35:46,450 --> 01:35:48,070
that was installed at the intersection

2246
01:35:48,070 --> 01:35:49,570
maybe as an amendment

2247
01:35:49,570 --> 01:35:52,960
this not only like notifying the

2248
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,340
residents that that's going to be

2249
01:35:54,340 --> 01:35:56,829
installed leading up to the stop spine

2250
01:35:56,829 --> 01:35:59,619
but also to notify the NRP and perhaps

2251
01:35:59,619 --> 01:36:02,199
they can monitor at first does that make

2252
01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:04,630
sense through you mr. mayor yes we could

2253
01:36:04,630 --> 01:36:06,190
reach out to you okay I guess my other

2254
01:36:06,190 --> 01:36:13,050
question is the staff have we had okay

2255
01:36:13,050 --> 01:36:15,520
this isn't a really a new issue I seem

2256
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:18,550
to recall previous councils talked about

2257
01:36:18,550 --> 01:36:21,219
this a lot can you give us like just a

2258
01:36:21,219 --> 01:36:22,840
little bit of a background like I

2259
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:25,090
believe Jenny Stevens brought it up

2260
01:36:25,090 --> 01:36:27,639
quite a bit and we fought for these type

2261
01:36:27,639 --> 01:36:30,119
of things over and over again and staff

2262
01:36:30,119 --> 01:36:33,610
continually deny it can you just comment

2263
01:36:33,610 --> 01:36:38,050
on it through you mr. mayor when we get

2264
01:36:38,050 --> 01:36:40,420
these types of requests we'd only go out

2265
01:36:40,420 --> 01:36:41,739
the intersection to do a traffic

2266
01:36:41,739 --> 01:36:44,469
analysis to determine the amount of

2267
01:36:44,469 --> 01:36:45,909
traffic that's in the intersection to

2268
01:36:45,909 --> 01:36:47,530
see whether or not it meets the

2269
01:36:47,530 --> 01:36:50,920
guidelines that were approved for the

2270
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:52,750
installation of stop signs that's

2271
01:36:52,750 --> 01:36:55,239
generally the driving factor but behind

2272
01:36:55,239 --> 01:36:56,650
the decisions that staff are

2273
01:36:56,650 --> 01:36:57,369
recommending

2274
01:36:57,369 --> 01:36:59,770
can I through the mayor to the director

2275
01:36:59,770 --> 01:37:02,409
engineer when you establish these

2276
01:37:02,409 --> 01:37:04,000
guidelines and when you go out and

2277
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,770
monitor it do you actually select

2278
01:37:05,770 --> 01:37:08,050
certain times I guess I'm going back to

2279
01:37:08,050 --> 01:37:10,030
a few years ago councilor cushion I

2280
01:37:10,030 --> 01:37:11,860
encountered when we wanted to get rid of

2281
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:15,400
a crossing guard on Glendale even though

2282
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:18,150
it was a crossing guard for a school and

2283
01:37:18,150 --> 01:37:21,190
I guess when staff went out there they

2284
01:37:21,190 --> 01:37:22,570
noticed that there weren't that many

2285
01:37:22,570 --> 01:37:23,650
cars but they weren't actually

2286
01:37:23,650 --> 01:37:25,960
monitoring it during the summer so I'm

2287
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,199
just wondering do you guys go out during

2288
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:31,389
certain times like peak times certain

2289
01:37:31,389 --> 01:37:35,320
times through you mr. mayor yes we we

2290
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:38,710
typically use best practices at doing

2291
01:37:38,710 --> 01:37:41,469
analysis of traffic intersections for

2292
01:37:41,469 --> 01:37:43,980
this one we went once during the week

2293
01:37:43,980 --> 01:37:47,530
for an eight-hour session and we also go

2294
01:37:47,530 --> 01:37:50,199
a once during the weekend on fair

2295
01:37:50,199 --> 01:37:52,230
weather days where

2296
01:37:52,230 --> 01:37:54,180
we would expect increased traffic flow

2297
01:37:54,180 --> 01:37:55,650
on the street in order to carry out

2298
01:37:55,650 --> 01:37:58,530
these analysis okay just one more

2299
01:37:58,530 --> 01:37:59,550
question I'm just wondering how much

2300
01:37:59,550 --> 01:38:02,370
weight do we actually put on like I

2301
01:38:02,370 --> 01:38:03,600
guess we have all this criteria but how

2302
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:05,340
much weight do we actually put on the

2303
01:38:05,340 --> 01:38:07,470
councillors opinion because they're the

2304
01:38:07,470 --> 01:38:08,760
ones that actually filled all the calls

2305
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,520
is there any sort of weighting that goes

2306
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:15,300
to that through you mr. mayor no the

2307
01:38:15,300 --> 01:38:17,700
recommendations from staff are based

2308
01:38:17,700 --> 01:38:20,700
solely on best practices for traffic

2309
01:38:20,700 --> 01:38:22,580
okay perfect thank you

2310
01:38:22,580 --> 01:38:26,550
councillor guys Thank You mr. mayor

2311
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:29,730
for clarity what the councillors are

2312
01:38:29,730 --> 01:38:32,550
asking for is a safe way for them to

2313
01:38:32,550 --> 01:38:35,520
cross from wilfred laurier across the

2314
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:38,070
parkway to get on to the get to the path

2315
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:40,670
I'm a long wall and canals Parkway

2316
01:38:40,670 --> 01:38:43,320
that's correct so what's happening is

2317
01:38:43,320 --> 01:38:45,570
people from Mackenzie King we love real

2318
01:38:45,570 --> 01:38:48,120
Fred Laurier where's my other Street

2319
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:52,020
nning there's Howland there's a new

2320
01:38:52,020 --> 01:38:54,780
street coming in McNaughton and Alex

2321
01:38:54,780 --> 01:38:57,570
grant place all of those people so they

2322
01:38:57,570 --> 01:39:01,560
can cross safely correct thank you when

2323
01:39:01,560 --> 01:39:02,850
I'm reading through the report maybe I

2324
01:39:02,850 --> 01:39:05,430
missed it but when you're showing the

2325
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:07,560
traffic counts it's showing the traffic

2326
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,560
count and it says that a requirement is

2327
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,920
an average of 90 vehicles an hour for

2328
01:39:12,920 --> 01:39:16,440
720 and you're showing the traffic count

2329
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:19,020
for wilfrid laurier Crescent but you

2330
01:39:19,020 --> 01:39:21,990
don't show anything for the well canals

2331
01:39:21,990 --> 01:39:23,610
Parkway so I'm just don't know whether

2332
01:39:23,610 --> 01:39:25,140
I'm missing it somewhere in this report

2333
01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:27,060
or if you can give me those numbers for

2334
01:39:27,060 --> 01:39:37,630
that

2335
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:41,490
three mr. mayor we we do have the the

2336
01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:43,020
counts for well canals Mark Waid they

2337
01:39:43,020 --> 01:39:44,640
aren't included in the report and

2338
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:47,130
actually a must apologize I don't have

2339
01:39:47,130 --> 01:39:51,540
them with me today but they the counts

2340
01:39:51,540 --> 01:39:54,470
that we we show for Wilfred Gauri are

2341
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:56,850
it's to demonstrate that it doesn't meet

2342
01:39:56,850 --> 01:39:58,200
the minimum of thresholds that are

2343
01:39:58,200 --> 01:40:00,930
required on wilfred laurier in order for

2344
01:40:00,930 --> 01:40:03,690
us to install those types of traffic

2345
01:40:03,690 --> 01:40:07,440
patrols okay but just what I'm

2346
01:40:07,440 --> 01:40:08,850
understanding from the councillor is

2347
01:40:08,850 --> 01:40:10,620
it's not wilfred laurier that they're

2348
01:40:10,620 --> 01:40:13,650
more concerned about crossing it's and i

2349
01:40:13,650 --> 01:40:14,970
think there would be a stop sign there

2350
01:40:14,970 --> 01:40:16,950
already what they're more concerned

2351
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:19,020
about is crossing the canal Parkway and

2352
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:21,210
you're not showing any of the counts for

2353
01:40:21,210 --> 01:40:25,500
that to you mr. mayor I could provide

2354
01:40:25,500 --> 01:40:30,810
some further accounts that we did so it

2355
01:40:30,810 --> 01:40:33,150
in the eight-hour count that we did for

2356
01:40:33,150 --> 01:40:34,020
the intersection there were

2357
01:40:34,020 --> 01:40:36,720
approximately 334 vehicles on wilfred

2358
01:40:36,720 --> 01:40:39,060
laurier in comparison to well canals

2359
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:40,610
Parkway where there were approximately

2360
01:40:40,610 --> 01:40:43,980
5700 vehicles that went down the street

2361
01:40:43,980 --> 01:40:46,230
there was also only 29 pedestrian

2362
01:40:46,230 --> 01:40:49,320
crossings at that street okay so there

2363
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:52,260
was 5700 cars that went by in an hour is

2364
01:40:52,260 --> 01:40:54,210
that what you're is that per day I mean

2365
01:40:54,210 --> 01:40:57,510
the drinking the eight-hour count okay I

2366
01:40:57,510 --> 01:40:59,580
would think that maybe that might be the

2367
01:40:59,580 --> 01:41:01,680
reason that there's such a low count of

2368
01:41:01,680 --> 01:41:03,180
pedestrians they're probably afraid to

2369
01:41:03,180 --> 01:41:06,930
go across that Street thank you okay

2370
01:41:06,930 --> 01:41:08,310
council Phillips Thank You councillor

2371
01:41:08,310 --> 01:41:15,150
done the concern I have is based on the

2372
01:41:15,150 --> 01:41:17,070
what I hear for the residents who live

2373
01:41:17,070 --> 01:41:19,950
in the Scott Street area I've had

2374
01:41:19,950 --> 01:41:21,780
complaints numerous times about the fact

2375
01:41:21,780 --> 01:41:24,480
that drivers regard those stop

2376
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,540
scientists optional with their word

2377
01:41:27,540 --> 01:41:28,890
they're rolling the stop signs or

2378
01:41:28,890 --> 01:41:30,360
they're going through all the time and

2379
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,430
that actually it was creating a

2380
01:41:32,430 --> 01:41:34,230
dangerous situation for them because

2381
01:41:34,230 --> 01:41:35,370
they thought it was gonna be safe

2382
01:41:35,370 --> 01:41:37,140
crossing because there was a stop sign

2383
01:41:37,140 --> 01:41:40,920
there and you know the car kept going

2384
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:43,710
and that's what I'm having a real hard

2385
01:41:43,710 --> 01:41:45,930
time with this one as

2386
01:41:45,930 --> 01:41:48,000
councillor Sorento because I don't want

2387
01:41:48,000 --> 01:41:50,310
to create a situation where they think

2388
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:52,950
they can cross and all of a sudden

2389
01:41:52,950 --> 01:41:54,480
you're with that number of cars

2390
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:56,760
somebody's going to miss a stop sign

2391
01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:05,700
I could see perhaps putting a painted lines going across to end with

2392
01:42:05,700 --> 01:42:09,810
signs indicating pedestrians crossing or

2393
01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:11,940
something like that but a stop sign

2394
01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:15,210
does not definitely guarantee safety

2395
01:42:15,210 --> 01:42:17,670
honest on a busy and I'm up and down

2396
01:42:17,670 --> 01:42:20,130
that that wrote a lot and cars are not

2397
01:42:20,130 --> 01:42:23,550
traveling at necessarily the assigned

2398
01:42:23,550 --> 01:42:26,190
speeds I would be I'm really really

2399
01:42:26,190 --> 01:42:27,810
concerned about putting that and as far

2400
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:30,720
as asking the NRP to be there I've

2401
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:33,210
requested the NRP to be a Scott Street

2402
01:42:33,210 --> 01:42:35,730
numerous times maybe they were but

2403
01:42:35,730 --> 01:42:36,720
they're not going to be there every day

2404
01:42:36,720 --> 01:42:39,300
planted at at a crosswalk on the

2405
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:42,060
overwhelming Canal Parkway get councilor

2406
01:42:42,060 --> 01:42:44,610
films okay before councillor Littleton

2407
01:42:44,610 --> 01:42:47,880
speaks the wiseguys did put a councillor

2408
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,920
Miller councillor Porter okay thanks I

2409
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,080
did I just want clarification this is

2410
01:42:55,080 --> 01:42:58,140
only for pedestrians it's the residents

2411
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:00,510
don't have trouble turning left or right

2412
01:43:00,510 --> 01:43:03,000
for in their cars on here it's just for

2413
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,740
because I'm looking at well in canto

2414
01:43:04,740 --> 01:43:06,300
mats Parkway which isn't really

2415
01:43:06,300 --> 01:43:09,090
pedestrian friendly it's like a

2416
01:43:09,090 --> 01:43:11,910
thoroughfare so they're there the

2417
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:14,660
streets not designed for it's

2418
01:43:14,660 --> 01:43:16,740
essentially designed for speed there's

2419
01:43:16,740 --> 01:43:20,630
nothing else here that would kind of

2420
01:43:20,630 --> 01:43:26,040
cause you or want you to slow down so I am echoing councillor Sorrento's

2421
01:43:26,040 --> 01:43:28,650
concerns I am concerned about putting an

2422
01:43:28,650 --> 01:43:32,730
all-way stop I know I I would be in

2423
01:43:32,730 --> 01:43:34,740
favor of something else pedestrian

2424
01:43:34,740 --> 01:43:37,890
crossing with some kind of signage but

2425
01:43:37,890 --> 01:43:41,250
that way the pedestrians know there's no guarantee of a stop so they

2426
01:43:41,250 --> 01:43:42,840
the pedestrians would have to be extra

2427
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:46,950
cautious and not assuming that the cars

2428
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:48,930
going to stop for them so I would I

2429
01:43:48,930 --> 01:43:50,400
would sort of be in favor of that I know

2430
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,700
I'm not going to support the stop signs

2431
01:43:53,700 --> 01:43:55,080
I just just because I don't think it's

2432
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:57,100
the safest option right now

2433
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:59,390
just a point of clarification just

2434
01:43:59,390 --> 01:44:02,510
quickly so I know earlier we we had said

2435
01:44:02,510 --> 01:44:04,250
that at the end of Scott Street that

2436
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:06,830
there are no lights but they do have the

2437
01:44:06,830 --> 01:44:09,020
flashing red lights and looking at this

2438
01:44:09,020 --> 01:44:10,790
intersection I am concerned that there

2439
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:12,950
it is a big intersection and I do think

2440
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:14,840
mr. mayor would need some type of lights

2441
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,150
to draw attention to any drivers on the

2442
01:44:17,150 --> 01:44:21,020
road so we'll have the staff look into

2443
01:44:21,020 --> 01:44:21,940
it

2444
01:44:21,940 --> 01:44:24,950
okay so councillor Wilton before

2445
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:26,930
councillor Littleton speaks we did open

2446
01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:28,700
a new park there last year and it was

2447
01:44:28,700 --> 01:44:30,350
the wise guys park they generously

2448
01:44:30,350 --> 01:44:31,910
donated a significant amount of money

2449
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:34,730
it's about 15 feet away from that

2450
01:44:34,730 --> 01:44:36,140
intersection I think it'd be

2451
01:44:36,140 --> 01:44:37,880
irresponsible for us not to put up a

2452
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:40,100
four-way stop because if any kids decide

2453
01:44:40,100 --> 01:44:41,330
that they want to go in that direction

2454
01:44:41,330 --> 01:44:44,080
and then they haven't been obviously

2455
01:44:44,080 --> 01:44:48,200
maybe go trained that's very close to

2456
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:49,370
that and I think we should be doing

2457
01:44:49,370 --> 01:44:51,590
everything we can to slow traffic if we

2458
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:53,390
talk about vision zero which is putting

2459
01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:55,670
the pedestrian and the cyclist first we

2460
01:44:55,670 --> 01:44:57,200
got to get people to slow down more and

2461
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:58,280
we got to get people to realize that

2462
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:00,230
these are also subdivisions that are

2463
01:45:00,230 --> 01:45:02,600
being created and there is a very good

2464
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,210
well used park 15 feet away from all

2465
01:45:05,210 --> 01:45:07,580
that 1,500 cars driving up and down so

2466
01:45:07,580 --> 01:45:09,800
it's incumbent upon us to create a safe

2467
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,080
space for that Park as well if not we

2468
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:13,130
shouldn't have put the park there in the

2469
01:45:13,130 --> 01:45:13,550
first place

2470
01:45:13,550 --> 01:45:16,520
councillor a little tenure thank you

2471
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,850
next time I'm speaking first okay so I

2472
01:45:19,850 --> 01:45:21,230
want to address some of the things that

2473
01:45:21,230 --> 01:45:22,820
have been brought up because I did not

2474
01:45:22,820 --> 01:45:24,950
bring this willy-nilly I met with staff

2475
01:45:24,950 --> 01:45:27,230
twice before this has come before you

2476
01:45:27,230 --> 01:45:29,360
and we've had conversations that's why

2477
01:45:29,360 --> 01:45:31,340
the language is the way it is in the in

2478
01:45:31,340 --> 01:45:35,720
the recommendation staff has said the installation the pedestrian

2479
01:45:35,720 --> 01:45:37,280
crossover which is similar to the one

2480
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:39,080
that's on Vine Street is not appropriate

2481
01:45:39,080 --> 01:45:40,640
I'll tell you why people are going to

2482
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:42,980
come across that they're gonna come down

2483
01:45:42,980 --> 01:45:45,320
the street this is what staff was saying

2484
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:46,820
they may not see it the things are

2485
01:45:46,820 --> 01:45:49,220
flashing everybody as soon as you hit

2486
01:45:49,220 --> 01:45:52,360
that they're gonna go right with a stop

2487
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:55,550
we know as pedestrians do we do wait to

2488
01:45:55,550 --> 01:45:57,620
see if people are actually going to stop

2489
01:45:57,620 --> 01:45:59,120
when you push a button like the one

2490
01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:00,680
outside the pack you push and you go

2491
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:03,500
it's not the same pedestrian behavior so

2492
01:46:03,500 --> 01:46:06,860
that's why that is is is mentioned like

2493
01:46:06,860 --> 01:46:07,999
that

2494
01:46:07,999 --> 01:46:09,949
a couple of things that need to be

2495
01:46:09,949 --> 01:46:11,599
really I think we need to talk about it

2496
01:46:11,599 --> 01:46:13,729
just logically when we're talking about

2497
01:46:13,729 --> 01:46:15,229
people are gonna roll through stops

2498
01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:16,550
they're gonna do it everywhere folks

2499
01:46:16,550 --> 01:46:19,460
everywhere at every stop sign this is

2500
01:46:19,460 --> 01:46:21,800
making this intersection just to echo

2501
01:46:21,800 --> 01:46:24,469
what the mayor said more safe it's

2502
01:46:24,469 --> 01:46:26,900
making it safer right now what you have

2503
01:46:26,900 --> 01:46:28,969
is a situation as councillor Porter

2504
01:46:28,969 --> 01:46:31,519
alluded to you have a straight way there

2505
01:46:31,519 --> 01:46:33,619
are no sidewalks on the side of these so

2506
01:46:33,619 --> 01:46:35,329
if someone's thinking well why can't

2507
01:46:35,329 --> 01:46:36,949
they just walk up to the little one

2508
01:46:36,949 --> 01:46:38,389
where you push the button outside of

2509
01:46:38,389 --> 01:46:40,249
Rockwood you there's nowhere for them to

2510
01:46:40,249 --> 01:46:42,949
walk as the mayor said we've built a

2511
01:46:42,949 --> 01:46:47,239
park here on the west side actually on

2512
01:46:47,239 --> 01:46:48,739
the other side of Wellington else

2513
01:46:48,739 --> 01:46:52,219
Parkway is another is another playground

2514
01:46:52,219 --> 01:46:54,710
on the other side where the museum is so

2515
01:46:54,710 --> 01:46:56,780
you have all these people that are here

2516
01:46:56,780 --> 01:47:00,409
that you have this straightaway the stop

2517
01:47:00,409 --> 01:47:04,309
sign also creates a speed reduction you

2518
01:47:04,309 --> 01:47:05,960
have all the signs coming up people will

2519
01:47:05,960 --> 01:47:07,460
learn that they have to stop just like

2520
01:47:07,460 --> 01:47:09,289
they have to stop at Scott just like

2521
01:47:09,289 --> 01:47:10,940
they have to stop further down well in

2522
01:47:10,940 --> 01:47:13,460
canals it becomes a behavior and it will

2523
01:47:13,460 --> 01:47:15,789
slow that speed down right now

2524
01:47:15,789 --> 01:47:18,800
everybody's foot is at 60 to 65 it's a

2525
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:22,159
50 zone that's anecdotal all the time

2526
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,260
so that I don't buy that that people are

2527
01:47:24,260 --> 01:47:25,340
going to blow through it it's going to

2528
01:47:25,340 --> 01:47:27,469
make it less safe than it is now

2529
01:47:27,469 --> 01:47:29,869
right now your option is to look both

2530
01:47:29,869 --> 01:47:32,150
ways and run as fast as you can across

2531
01:47:32,150 --> 01:47:34,039
there and everybody's going like I just

2532
01:47:34,039 --> 01:47:37,159
told you between 60 and 70 if we do have

2533
01:47:37,159 --> 01:47:40,190
the stop sign then it does it yes

2534
01:47:40,190 --> 01:47:42,320
there's a possibility that someone's

2535
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,030
going to blow through a stop sign just

2536
01:47:44,030 --> 01:47:45,199
like they're going to do it at every

2537
01:47:45,199 --> 01:47:47,030
other part of the city so I want

2538
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:48,800
everybody to think about that the

2539
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,300
director is talking about Beck's best

2540
01:47:50,300 --> 01:47:52,460
practices when they're talking about

2541
01:47:52,460 --> 01:47:55,130
that it doesn't meet their standard for

2542
01:47:55,130 --> 01:47:58,429
the always stop 100% it doesn't because

2543
01:47:58,429 --> 01:48:01,610
of the discrepancy as he's mentioned in

2544
01:48:01,610 --> 01:48:04,130
the to the two streets wilfred laurier

2545
01:48:04,130 --> 01:48:06,409
only has three hundred and whatever it

2546
01:48:06,409 --> 01:48:08,539
is over the eight-hour period well in

2547
01:48:08,539 --> 01:48:10,479
Canal Park we as you just heard has six

2548
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,760
thousand vehicles we need to make this

2549
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:15,769
intersection safer we have we are

2550
01:48:15,769 --> 01:48:18,590
creating walkable cities on the you look

2551
01:48:18,590 --> 01:48:20,420
at the picture here right on the other

2552
01:48:20,420 --> 01:48:21,720
side of this is a

2553
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,310
frail that people can get on they can

2554
01:48:23,310 --> 01:48:25,530
bike there they can walk they can take

2555
01:48:25,530 --> 01:48:26,880
their families they can take their

2556
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,070
strollers and then the museum is right

2557
01:48:29,070 --> 01:48:30,900
there like I just told you that is

2558
01:48:30,900 --> 01:48:32,550
creating a walkable city where there

2559
01:48:32,550 --> 01:48:36,450
isn't currently a sidewalk to go down

2560
01:48:36,450 --> 01:48:38,820
well in canals parkway so I want you to

2561
01:48:38,820 --> 01:48:41,880
all think about that the question about

2562
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:43,830
turning left yes it is a little bit

2563
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:45,930
difficult but that wasn't the number one

2564
01:48:45,930 --> 01:48:47,730
driver for me asking for the staff

2565
01:48:47,730 --> 01:48:50,340
report so I really hope that you'll you

2566
01:48:50,340 --> 01:48:53,760
will you will allow for this to go

2567
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,340
through we can always look at it again

2568
01:48:56,340 --> 01:48:57,960
in six months I don't know why no one's

2569
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,780
listening what why we can look at it

2570
01:49:00,780 --> 01:49:02,280
again in six months if it'll make you

2571
01:49:02,280 --> 01:49:04,410
feel better we could we examine it I'm

2572
01:49:04,410 --> 01:49:06,900
happy to do that but not doing anything

2573
01:49:06,900 --> 01:49:09,000
at this point in time where we know when

2574
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:11,130
we say why did would why were we talking

2575
01:49:11,130 --> 01:49:12,450
about it eight years ago or why would

2576
01:49:12,450 --> 01:49:15,150
now we have all these new houses in here

2577
01:49:15,150 --> 01:49:17,520
and we have a whole other bunch of

2578
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,340
townhouses that are going to bring

2579
01:49:19,340 --> 01:49:22,830
100-200 more residents in in the next

2580
01:49:22,830 --> 01:49:24,980
say whatever five years it's incumbent

2581
01:49:24,980 --> 01:49:27,960
uncommon excuse me upon us to do it now

2582
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,030
I'm asking for your support thanks so

2583
01:49:30,030 --> 01:49:32,070
much thank you how's your little team

2584
01:49:32,070 --> 01:49:36,270
okay I'll call a question through you

2585
01:49:36,270 --> 01:49:36,780
mr. mayor

2586
01:49:36,780 --> 01:49:40,280
councillor Littleton yes Elster kushnir

2587
01:49:40,280 --> 01:49:44,130
councillor Harris councillor Garcia yes

2588
01:49:44,130 --> 01:49:46,080
councillor Dodge yes

2589
01:49:46,080 --> 01:49:48,600
councillor Miller yes councillor

2590
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:52,590
Phillips no councillor Porter no

2591
01:49:52,590 --> 01:49:54,660
councillor Cisco yes

2592
01:49:54,660 --> 01:50:04,310
councillor Sorrento

2593
01:50:04,320 --> 01:50:08,199
councillor Townsend yes councillor

2594
01:50:08,199 --> 01:50:13,000
Williamson no in there sends it yes and

2595
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:19,570
that's carried okay folks we head on

2596
01:50:19,570 --> 01:50:22,059
into financial management three point

2597
01:50:22,059 --> 01:50:25,539
four and Christine Douglas director of

2598
01:50:25,539 --> 01:50:26,710
financial management you have some

2599
01:50:26,710 --> 01:50:31,719
opening remarks thank you your worship

2600
01:50:31,719 --> 01:50:34,179
under the Municipal Act council adoption

2601
01:50:34,179 --> 01:50:36,309
of the budget is required Council

2602
01:50:36,309 --> 01:50:38,500
approved the city's 2020 capital budget

2603
01:50:38,500 --> 01:50:41,469
at its meeting of October 7th 2019 with

2604
01:50:41,469 --> 01:50:43,659
the exception of two items these two

2605
01:50:43,659 --> 01:50:45,219
items are being discussed this evening

2606
01:50:45,219 --> 01:50:47,320
the one was the city's website upgrade

2607
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:49,300
project and the second is a Transit

2608
01:50:49,300 --> 01:50:51,429
Commission capital portion of the 2020

2609
01:50:51,429 --> 01:50:53,619
fleet budget both of these items have

2610
01:50:53,619 --> 01:50:55,989
been included in the draft 2020 capital

2611
01:50:55,989 --> 01:50:57,699
budget that was presented to Council on

2612
01:50:57,699 --> 01:51:00,760
October the 7th of this year at that

2613
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:02,530
meeting counsel referred these items to

2614
01:51:02,530 --> 01:51:04,570
staff for additional information the

2615
01:51:04,570 --> 01:51:06,010
budget Standing Committee reviewed the

2616
01:51:06,010 --> 01:51:08,199
additional information related to these

2617
01:51:08,199 --> 01:51:10,030
two capital items council has been

2618
01:51:10,030 --> 01:51:11,829
provided with the links to the budget

2619
01:51:11,829 --> 01:51:14,110
Standing Committee reports memos and

2620
01:51:14,110 --> 01:51:16,329
correspondence items and these two items

2621
01:51:16,329 --> 01:51:17,949
are now returning to council this

2622
01:51:17,949 --> 01:51:19,809
evening for your consideration as part

2623
01:51:19,809 --> 01:51:24,219
of the city's 2020 capital budget okay

2624
01:51:24,219 --> 01:51:26,489
councillors went to the other question

2625
01:51:26,489 --> 01:51:29,409
that's mr. mayor then there's anybody

2626
01:51:29,409 --> 01:51:33,130
else going to speak no from staff no

2627
01:51:33,130 --> 01:51:33,789
we're good

2628
01:51:33,789 --> 01:51:35,650
alright just a few questions mr. mayor

2629
01:51:35,650 --> 01:51:38,619
through you to any one of our staff so

2630
01:51:38,619 --> 01:51:41,050
I've received a few phone calls and some

2631
01:51:41,050 --> 01:51:42,550
of the residents are looking at the

2632
01:51:42,550 --> 01:51:44,110
total amount of money that's four

2633
01:51:44,110 --> 01:51:47,110
hundred thousand dollars so you know in

2634
01:51:47,110 --> 01:51:49,300
today's world of technology where there

2635
01:51:49,300 --> 01:51:50,889
are a lot of free apps and a lot of

2636
01:51:50,889 --> 01:51:52,719
stuff that's for free can you just

2637
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:56,590
explain for the public as to why our up

2638
01:51:56,590 --> 01:51:58,659
side limit is four hundred thousand

2639
01:51:58,659 --> 01:52:01,150
dollars any one of our staff okay I'll

2640
01:52:01,150 --> 01:52:04,539
put over to Maggie through you mr. mayor

2641
01:52:04,539 --> 01:52:07,119
so when we were looking at the website

2642
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:10,000
we recognize that there's a base amount

2643
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,159
that you'd have to consider so that base

2644
01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:13,659
amount was developed by having

2645
01:52:13,659 --> 01:52:14,139
conversations

2646
01:52:14,139 --> 01:52:16,119
with our current provider looking at

2647
01:52:16,119 --> 01:52:17,380
other municipalities who've been

2648
01:52:17,380 --> 01:52:19,090
updating their websites as well as

2649
01:52:19,090 --> 01:52:21,789
conversations with our IT staff so when

2650
01:52:21,789 --> 01:52:24,550
we're talking about 400,000 the 200,000

2651
01:52:24,550 --> 01:52:25,899
allows us to get an update of

2652
01:52:25,899 --> 01:52:28,510
essentially what we have now and to

2653
01:52:28,510 --> 01:52:30,340
further explain that what we have now is

2654
01:52:30,340 --> 01:52:31,899
a website that doesn't allow a lot of

2655
01:52:31,899 --> 01:52:34,539
online functionality so there are a lot

2656
01:52:34,539 --> 01:52:36,639
of additional services that we'd like to

2657
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:39,399
add to improve customer service we'd

2658
01:52:39,399 --> 01:52:40,989
also like to the opportunity to

2659
01:52:40,989 --> 01:52:42,999
integrate with city software because

2660
01:52:42,999 --> 01:52:44,619
right now our website doesn't really

2661
01:52:44,619 --> 01:52:46,449
speak to the city software so that

2662
01:52:46,449 --> 01:52:49,239
creates problems and processes so that's

2663
01:52:49,239 --> 01:52:50,499
where we kind of have developed that

2664
01:52:50,499 --> 01:52:54,039
upper limit of the 400,000 mr. Barun

2665
01:52:54,039 --> 01:52:56,439
these are the reasons as to why it's

2666
01:52:56,439 --> 01:52:58,289
going to cost so much money

2667
01:52:58,289 --> 01:53:02,320
yes okay thank you mr. mayor to anyone

2668
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:03,939
of our staff how old is our current

2669
01:53:03,939 --> 01:53:09,070
website right through you mr. mayor our

2670
01:53:09,070 --> 01:53:11,110
current website is about 15 years old

2671
01:53:11,110 --> 01:53:13,719
and we haven't made any further

2672
01:53:13,719 --> 01:53:17,590
investments in our website in 2014 we

2673
01:53:17,590 --> 01:53:20,169
did an additional eight thousand dollars

2674
01:53:20,169 --> 01:53:22,059
worth of work on our website to make it

2675
01:53:22,059 --> 01:53:24,669
accessible at the time so we'd call that

2676
01:53:24,669 --> 01:53:29,260
version 1.0 so then clearly so then

2677
01:53:29,260 --> 01:53:31,860
clearly our website is incredibly dated

2678
01:53:31,860 --> 01:53:34,510
if you can just like some technical

2679
01:53:34,510 --> 01:53:37,019
questions mr. mayor to our director of

2680
01:53:37,019 --> 01:53:41,380
IT mr. director gardener can you tell us

2681
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:44,260
what back office programs are and the

2682
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:46,780
accessibility components of this new

2683
01:53:46,780 --> 01:53:49,749
website and perhaps you know what their

2684
01:53:49,749 --> 01:53:55,539
cost is or through You mr. mayor

2685
01:53:55,539 --> 01:53:58,659
first of all there is a accessibility

2686
01:53:58,659 --> 01:54:01,749
regulations the current website does not

2687
01:54:01,749 --> 01:54:04,829
meet those regulations so we want to

2688
01:54:04,829 --> 01:54:07,300
obviously develop a new website that

2689
01:54:07,300 --> 01:54:09,489
will meet them secondly there are a

2690
01:54:09,489 --> 01:54:12,249
number of as Ernest a young reported

2691
01:54:12,249 --> 01:54:15,789
earlier we're we need an IT system

2692
01:54:15,789 --> 01:54:20,110
modernization plan right now we have no

2693
01:54:20,110 --> 01:54:22,570
integration to our amanda systems or our

2694
01:54:22,570 --> 01:54:24,579
class system that has parks and

2695
01:54:24,579 --> 01:54:26,770
recreations there is a

2696
01:54:26,770 --> 01:54:28,500
number of systems we would like to

2697
01:54:28,500 --> 01:54:31,180
integrate into the web to allow citizens

2698
01:54:31,180 --> 01:54:33,850
to do online transactions instead of

2699
01:54:33,850 --> 01:54:36,660
having to report in to the City Hall and

2700
01:54:36,660 --> 01:54:40,000
one final question mr. mayor - to any

2701
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,370
one of our staff so if it is the will of

2702
01:54:42,370 --> 01:54:44,530
this council to approve this new new

2703
01:54:44,530 --> 01:54:47,590
infrastructure system if you will will

2704
01:54:47,590 --> 01:54:49,870
this allow us to build on it moving

2705
01:54:49,870 --> 01:54:53,330
forward

2706
01:54:53,340 --> 01:55:00,490
Thank You Kelsey Garcia thank you Thank

2707
01:55:00,490 --> 01:55:01,770
You mr. mayor

2708
01:55:01,770 --> 01:55:05,320
through you to the staff I have similar

2709
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,350
concern to council Sorrento I'm I'm just

2710
01:55:08,350 --> 01:55:10,450
concerned about the costs like based on

2711
01:55:10,450 --> 01:55:14,770
what I hear elsewhere that updating a

2712
01:55:14,770 --> 01:55:17,020
website cost I totally agree that our

2713
01:55:17,020 --> 01:55:19,000
website is horrible in terms of

2714
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,590
navigation it's very difficult to

2715
01:55:20,590 --> 01:55:21,070
navigate

2716
01:55:21,070 --> 01:55:24,220
but 400,000 is a lot of money so I'd

2717
01:55:24,220 --> 01:55:26,470
like to put our new director on the spot

2718
01:55:26,470 --> 01:55:29,020
and ask them even though he just joined

2719
01:55:29,020 --> 01:55:31,630
us is this does this seem reasonable to

2720
01:55:31,630 --> 01:55:34,030
you 400,000 for this because it seems

2721
01:55:34,030 --> 01:55:36,660
like a lot to me I'll first go to

2722
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:38,620
director of financial management then

2723
01:55:38,620 --> 01:55:42,540
we'll jump over to the CIO CIO office

2724
01:55:42,540 --> 01:55:44,710
thank you through your worship I think

2725
01:55:44,710 --> 01:55:47,290
for some context for counsel with

2726
01:55:47,290 --> 01:55:49,600
regards to the original website that was

2727
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:53,200
designed and developed in 2005 that

2728
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:56,290
total cost was at a cost of 250 thousand

2729
01:55:56,290 --> 01:55:58,360
dollars to the municipality so therefore

2730
01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:00,340
looking at a cost of four hundred

2731
01:56:00,340 --> 01:56:03,310
thousand dollars this year - to review

2732
01:56:03,310 --> 01:56:06,490
our website for accessibility and to in

2733
01:56:06,490 --> 01:56:08,530
to to create some improvements with

2734
01:56:08,530 --> 01:56:10,840
regards to the website I would say in in

2735
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:12,630
my opinion I think that upper limit of

2736
01:56:12,630 --> 01:56:16,000
$400,000 is a reasonable costing so mr.

2737
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:20,980
Gardner you want to anything to that the

2738
01:56:20,980 --> 01:56:23,560
integration it will be up to 400,000 it

2739
01:56:23,560 --> 01:56:25,270
depends on how many systems we want to

2740
01:56:25,270 --> 01:56:27,790
integrate we will study that as part of

2741
01:56:27,790 --> 01:56:30,670
this whole project so that number may

2742
01:56:30,670 --> 01:56:32,080
come in lower or it may come in

2743
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:33,580
depending on what we want to deliver to

2744
01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:35,980
the citizens Thank You Jessica CFO thank

2745
01:56:35,980 --> 01:56:38,980
you mr. mayor through you to staff with

2746
01:56:38,980 --> 01:56:40,420
all due respect to the director

2747
01:56:40,420 --> 01:56:41,770
Financial Management I don't think

2748
01:56:41,770 --> 01:56:43,630
comparing it to what it costs before is

2749
01:56:43,630 --> 01:56:46,120
necessarily a good rationale because

2750
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:49,000
maybe we grossly overpaid before but

2751
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:53,199
anyway is this going to be based on

2752
01:56:53,199 --> 01:56:56,230
actual quotes or do we have any actual

2753
01:56:56,230 --> 01:56:58,449
quotes at this time that's that's why

2754
01:56:58,449 --> 01:56:59,710
it's an upset limit they'll have to go

2755
01:56:59,710 --> 01:57:02,290
to RFP the cancel source so they have to

2756
01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:04,239
go up or go yes they do okay so that

2757
01:57:04,239 --> 01:57:06,489
will come back to counsel doesn't come

2758
01:57:06,489 --> 01:57:07,719
back to counsel if it's under four

2759
01:57:07,719 --> 01:57:11,440
hundred thousand no no okay that's why

2760
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:15,810
we're setting the up set limit okay okay

2761
01:57:15,810 --> 01:57:18,910
counsel Miller yeah I just wanted to

2762
01:57:18,910 --> 01:57:21,850
touch on that having worked in building

2763
01:57:21,850 --> 01:57:23,469
websites and digital marketing then the

2764
01:57:23,469 --> 01:57:25,239
$400,000 I think can be taught to most

2765
01:57:25,239 --> 01:57:27,429
businesses locally is a reasonable

2766
01:57:27,429 --> 01:57:30,370
number for the amount the sheer size of

2767
01:57:30,370 --> 01:57:31,780
this website and the amount of things we

2768
01:57:31,780 --> 01:57:34,120
do with it and want it to be able to do

2769
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:36,280
and I don't think it's really incumbent

2770
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:38,440
on this council with no offense any of

2771
01:57:38,440 --> 01:57:40,150
my colleagues to really nitpick that

2772
01:57:40,150 --> 01:57:41,500
number at that point that's the number

2773
01:57:41,500 --> 01:57:43,510
we're getting from staff I think it's

2774
01:57:43,510 --> 01:57:44,920
been under a lot of scrutiny it's been

2775
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:46,030
in the press and things like that and

2776
01:57:46,030 --> 01:57:47,679
they haven't backed off a bunch on that

2777
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:51,250
number so I think we have to trust that is the number I just have a

2778
01:57:51,250 --> 01:57:52,719
question about how this will happen if

2779
01:57:52,719 --> 01:57:57,310
approved that RFP that we send out what

2780
01:57:57,310 --> 01:57:58,989
is the timeline that we're looking at in

2781
01:57:58,989 --> 01:58:04,510
terms of having this okay Maggie at this

2782
01:58:04,510 --> 01:58:05,620
point we're still in the really early

2783
01:58:05,620 --> 01:58:08,469
stages we just have a meeting with the

2784
01:58:08,469 --> 01:58:10,179
staff team members to kind of set out

2785
01:58:10,179 --> 01:58:12,280
the project schedule so we haven't

2786
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:13,929
really set any specific timelines yet

2787
01:58:13,929 --> 01:58:16,239
with that because there's also a number

2788
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:19,330
of other IT projects happening at the

2789
01:58:19,330 --> 01:58:22,390
same time we are a little bit tight on

2790
01:58:22,390 --> 01:58:24,219
time as far as trying to be able to get

2791
01:58:24,219 --> 01:58:25,690
those activities all done around the

2792
01:58:25,690 --> 01:58:30,060
same time okay thank you and I guess

2793
01:58:30,060 --> 01:58:32,020
through you the mayor I have a feeling I

2794
01:58:32,020 --> 01:58:33,219
know the answer this question but we

2795
01:58:33,219 --> 01:58:37,000
have a number of wonderful IT and

2796
01:58:37,000 --> 01:58:38,500
website design companies locally here in

2797
01:58:38,500 --> 01:58:40,320
Niagara it's it's sort of a burgeoning

2798
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,610
industry here is there any way to our

2799
01:58:42,610 --> 01:58:45,730
RFP process to give consideration to

2800
01:58:45,730 --> 01:58:46,900
those companies that are creating jobs

2801
01:58:46,900 --> 01:58:49,620
and and things like that in Niagara

2802
01:58:49,620 --> 01:58:51,410
Christine

2803
01:58:51,410 --> 01:58:53,380
through you your worship with regards to

2804
01:58:53,380 --> 01:58:57,110
local local vendors that can supply this

2805
01:58:57,110 --> 01:58:59,410
product I would recommend that they

2806
01:58:59,410 --> 01:59:02,030
register on our bids and tenders website

2807
01:59:02,030 --> 01:59:03,680
and then they would get notified when

2808
01:59:03,680 --> 01:59:07,540
these RFP documents get issued were not

2809
01:59:07,540 --> 01:59:09,800
permitted under our procurement by law

2810
01:59:09,800 --> 01:59:12,890
to for a local preference thank you for

2811
01:59:12,890 --> 01:59:14,120
that and I'd be remiss not to mention

2812
01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:15,950
this I am the youngest member of Council

2813
01:59:15,950 --> 01:59:18,500
and I think it really it really is

2814
01:59:18,500 --> 01:59:23,090
important as we move the city forward to ensure that we are online that our

2815
01:59:23,090 --> 01:59:25,550
presence is easy to navigate and we are

2816
01:59:25,550 --> 01:59:27,050
able to accomplish the goals of the city

2817
01:59:27,050 --> 01:59:29,140
Thank You councillor Miller

2818
01:59:29,140 --> 01:59:33,860
okay singing councillor reporter thanks

2819
01:59:33,860 --> 01:59:36,410
very much I'm gonna support this I look

2820
01:59:36,410 --> 01:59:39,230
forward to a new website I do think it's

2821
01:59:39,230 --> 01:59:42,020
a tad a than it's in line with where

2822
01:59:42,020 --> 01:59:45,380
we're going and as the auditors from

2823
01:59:45,380 --> 01:59:48,620
earnest in Yahoo pointed out we where

2824
01:59:48,620 --> 01:59:51,410
our staff is lean and we they can't

2825
01:59:51,410 --> 01:59:52,790
build it themselves that those are some

2826
01:59:52,790 --> 01:59:54,110
of the comments that I receive like

2827
01:59:54,110 --> 01:59:56,750
can't can't can't there's existing staff

2828
01:59:56,750 --> 01:59:59,690
build a website themselves they don't I

2829
01:59:59,690 --> 02:00:01,070
don't think they have the capacity there

2830
02:00:01,070 --> 02:00:03,800
we've heard from the previous director

2831
02:00:03,800 --> 02:00:07,280
I've I T that you know there's always

2832
02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:09,350
managing IT risks all the time there's

2833
02:00:09,350 --> 02:00:13,010
always viruses coming in and there's there's new projects and there's

2834
02:00:13,010 --> 02:00:15,530
a lot that they have to keep going with

2835
02:00:15,530 --> 02:00:17,570
kind of a bare-bones stuff so we do have

2836
02:00:17,570 --> 02:00:19,820
to hire externally for this project I'm

2837
02:00:19,820 --> 02:00:21,920
just wondering if there will be citizen

2838
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:24,020
engagement through this process like

2839
02:00:24,020 --> 02:00:26,600
focus groups like is that being built

2840
02:00:26,600 --> 02:00:31,070
into okay Maggie project part of the

2841
02:00:31,070 --> 02:00:33,860
process will include public consultation

2842
02:00:33,860 --> 02:00:36,710
so what we intend to do is have meetings

2843
02:00:36,710 --> 02:00:39,620
with senior staff as well as the

2844
02:00:39,620 --> 02:00:41,450
accessibility committee and the public

2845
02:00:41,450 --> 02:00:43,450
so we've already started an online

2846
02:00:43,450 --> 02:00:45,920
survey essentially communication survey

2847
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:47,600
which does ask some questions specific

2848
02:00:47,600 --> 02:00:49,640
to our website so we are getting some

2849
02:00:49,640 --> 02:00:52,160
information in on that aspect but once

2850
02:00:52,160 --> 02:00:53,770
we start the actual process of doing

2851
02:00:53,770 --> 02:00:56,240
essentially an audit of what we have now

2852
02:00:56,240 --> 02:00:58,160
that will include quite a bit of public

2853
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,710
consultation thanks very much thanks

2854
02:01:00,710 --> 02:01:01,340
counselor Porter

2855
02:01:01,340 --> 02:01:02,510
so you know their further questions

2856
02:01:02,510 --> 02:01:04,310
we'll call it can I ask that we voted

2857
02:01:04,310 --> 02:01:06,290
them separately mr. mayor of course you

2858
02:01:06,290 --> 02:01:09,770
can okay so we'll vote first on the

2859
02:01:09,770 --> 02:01:19,220
website up to the clerk 3 mr. mayor

2860
02:01:19,220 --> 02:01:22,790
Councillor you just guess councillor

2861
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:28,640
dodge councillor Garcia no councillor

2862
02:01:28,640 --> 02:01:31,490
Harris councillor Kushner yes

2863
02:01:31,490 --> 02:01:33,350
councillor Littleton yes councillor

2864
02:01:33,350 --> 02:01:35,570
Miller yes councillor Phillips yes

2865
02:01:35,570 --> 02:01:38,630
councillor Porter yeah councillor Cisco

2866
02:01:38,630 --> 02:01:41,800
yes councillor Sorrento a hearty yes

2867
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:45,080
councillor Townsend yes councillor

2868
02:01:45,080 --> 02:01:47,390
Williamson yes and mayor sent sickness

2869
02:01:47,390 --> 02:01:49,850
and that's carried okay so the second

2870
02:01:49,850 --> 02:02:00,640
part of the motion councillor Cisco yes

2871
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:03,710
councillor Porter yes

2872
02:02:03,710 --> 02:02:06,910
councillor Phillips councillor Miller

2873
02:02:06,910 --> 02:02:10,040
yes councillor Littleton yes councillor

2874
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:12,860
Kushner councillor Harris councillor

2875
02:02:12,860 --> 02:02:13,910
Garcia yes

2876
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:17,560
councillor Dodge yes councillor Sorento

2877
02:02:17,560 --> 02:02:18,830
yes

2878
02:02:18,830 --> 02:02:21,890
heartily councillor Townsend yes

2879
02:02:21,890 --> 02:02:23,660
councillor Williamson yes and Mayor

2880
02:02:23,660 --> 02:02:25,610
Senza yes carried unanimously

2881
02:02:25,610 --> 02:02:29,420
all right three point five looking

2882
02:02:29,420 --> 02:02:30,560
forward to a new website by the way

2883
02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:33,140
what's going on maybe you can ask Greg

2884
02:02:33,140 --> 02:02:34,340
for some councillor Miller for some

2885
02:02:34,340 --> 02:02:37,130
guidance it's he's probably on website

2886
02:02:37,130 --> 02:02:38,930
4.1 or something now that he's the

2887
02:02:38,930 --> 02:02:41,580
youngest

2888
02:02:41,590 --> 02:02:46,220
okay sorry point of order this is your

2889
02:02:46,220 --> 02:02:51,470
yep Council Townsend so after that long

2890
02:02:51,470 --> 02:02:55,130
commercial it's over to you all right

2891
02:02:55,130 --> 02:02:58,660
surprise surprise you can probably guess

2892
02:02:58,660 --> 02:03:02,540
in reference to 11.2 I'm asking council

2893
02:03:02,540 --> 02:03:05,540
to appoint those the four that I put

2894
02:03:05,540 --> 02:03:08,150
their names forth to have them split the

2895
02:03:08,150 --> 02:03:11,840
year term doing three-month Atkins sect

2896
02:03:11,840 --> 02:03:14,240
three months consecutively as deputy

2897
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:15,740
mayor and I'm hoping council will

2898
02:03:15,740 --> 02:03:17,660
support that I think it's in all

2899
02:03:17,660 --> 02:03:19,070
fairness we have four outstanding

2900
02:03:19,070 --> 02:03:20,930
candidates that have put their name

2901
02:03:20,930 --> 02:03:23,000
forth and I think that in all fairness

2902
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:25,510
they would each do a very good job

2903
02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:31,160
representing as deputy mayor gates right

2904
02:03:31,160 --> 02:03:32,440
there

2905
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:36,020
so councillor Townsend you'll be moving

2906
02:03:36,020 --> 02:03:40,430
that motion and you'll be asking for in

2907
02:03:40,430 --> 02:03:43,280
a minute meant an amendment so

2908
02:03:43,280 --> 02:03:44,480
essentially what you're asking for is

2909
02:03:44,480 --> 02:03:48,230
for 2020 to be equal appointments for

2910
02:03:48,230 --> 02:03:50,000
the those that are interested and then

2911
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:56,840
for 2021 it's by month correct okay by

2912
02:03:56,840 --> 02:03:59,300
month in 2021 so we don't go through

2913
02:03:59,300 --> 02:04:00,830
this again it's just everyone's assigned

2914
02:04:00,830 --> 02:04:02,270
a month and if you don't want it you can

2915
02:04:02,270 --> 02:04:03,500
pass it on to someone else

2916
02:04:03,500 --> 02:04:06,320
councillor Cisco mr. Mara I was just

2917
02:04:06,320 --> 02:04:07,760
gonna ask that with respect to the

2918
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:10,220
clause they're about equal appointments

2919
02:04:10,220 --> 02:04:11,720
that some sort of policy come forward

2920
02:04:11,720 --> 02:04:14,390
from staff I know for some of us given

2921
02:04:14,390 --> 02:04:16,460
our work schedules there are some months

2922
02:04:16,460 --> 02:04:17,930
of the year that may be applicable but

2923
02:04:17,930 --> 02:04:19,430
other ones that wouldn't so staff could

2924
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:20,810
put together some policy based on the

2925
02:04:20,810 --> 02:04:22,610
best practices that will come back I'd

2926
02:04:22,610 --> 02:04:25,310
be great come back for 2021 councillor

2927
02:04:25,310 --> 02:04:26,930
Garcia would take those directions of

2928
02:04:26,930 --> 02:04:29,360
staff mr. mayor I'd just like to ask the

2929
02:04:29,360 --> 02:04:33,920
procedural question from the clerk we

2930
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:36,020
got an email from the clerk a couple of

2931
02:04:36,020 --> 02:04:39,470
days ago pointing out that to pull item

2932
02:04:39,470 --> 02:04:41,840
from consent the procedural bylaw says

2933
02:04:41,840 --> 02:04:45,020
we have to do it by Friday I didn't see

2934
02:04:45,020 --> 02:04:46,880
any of these motions I don't think until

2935
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:48,800
Saturday I don't know when they can look

2936
02:04:48,800 --> 02:04:50,360
to the clear what's the deadline for

2937
02:04:50,360 --> 02:04:52,670
emotions because I didn't so this will

2938
02:04:52,670 --> 02:04:55,430
just pass the clerk yeah motion was

2939
02:04:55,430 --> 02:04:57,950
submitted through you mr. Mehra this

2940
02:04:57,950 --> 02:05:00,550
motion was submitted it wasn't published

2941
02:05:00,550 --> 02:05:02,060
it published

2942
02:05:02,060 --> 02:05:06,089
Friday morning

2943
02:05:06,099 --> 02:05:09,199
the motion was the deadlines are

2944
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:14,000
Wednesday at 3:30 we published Friday so

2945
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,500
it was published in the courthouse give

2946
02:05:15,500 --> 02:05:18,920
it to ya sorry so you did get it by one

2947
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:22,219
sec okay thank you through through you

2948
02:05:22,219 --> 02:05:25,670
mr. mayor if I may if we do this we need

2949
02:05:25,670 --> 02:05:27,230
to pass a motion to suspend your

2950
02:05:27,230 --> 02:05:29,179
procedural rules and that's where I

2951
02:05:29,179 --> 02:05:30,829
thought counselor Garcia was leading

2952
02:05:30,829 --> 02:05:33,110
because your procedural rule right now

2953
02:05:33,110 --> 02:05:36,800
says you point one deputy mayor annually

2954
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:38,510
so we'll have to do a suspension of the

2955
02:05:38,510 --> 02:05:43,250
rules counselor Sisko motion to suspend

2956
02:05:43,250 --> 02:05:48,559
the rules all in favor okay can I can I

2957
02:05:48,559 --> 02:05:49,849
just say we're just gonna take a time

2958
02:05:49,849 --> 02:05:52,010
them and see AO

2959
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:53,300
if you can just direct what you're

2960
02:05:53,300 --> 02:05:59,389
talking about oh my gosh what is the

2961
02:05:59,389 --> 02:06:07,429
five months in 2021 with 14 okay so it's

2962
02:06:07,429 --> 02:06:09,920
splitting the year of 2020 and then

2963
02:06:09,920 --> 02:06:16,730
monthly in 2021 thank you to the CEO

2964
02:06:16,730 --> 02:06:19,300
paying attention like it's good I

2965
02:06:19,300 --> 02:06:24,460
clearly I wasn't some it's a compliment

2966
02:06:24,460 --> 02:06:27,050
councillor Littleton yeah thanks can we

2967
02:06:27,050 --> 02:06:31,099
separate out the the I'm sorry to

2968
02:06:31,099 --> 02:06:36,790
everybody I'm gonna apologize but I'm declaring conflict on this this

2969
02:06:36,790 --> 02:06:42,139
changing the procedural to the whatever

2970
02:06:42,139 --> 02:06:46,550
we're just going to what I'm sorry I'm out on I'm out on that on a conflict

2971
02:06:46,550 --> 02:06:48,260
but I'd like to vote on the other part

2972
02:06:48,260 --> 02:06:51,050
of this motion thank you okay councillor

2973
02:06:51,050 --> 02:06:55,670
report my hoping this can be a friendly

2974
02:06:55,670 --> 02:06:57,760
amendment I prefer the idea of

2975
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,110
continuing this on a quarterly basis

2976
02:07:00,110 --> 02:07:02,150
rather than monthly I just think

2977
02:07:02,150 --> 02:07:05,150
sometimes we wouldn't be able to get our

2978
02:07:05,150 --> 02:07:07,489
feet wet in the job I think it would be

2979
02:07:07,489 --> 02:07:10,130
too too confusing to do it on a monthly

2980
02:07:10,130 --> 02:07:13,070
basis and I think there are some people

2981
02:07:13,070 --> 02:07:15,800
who just don't won't ever want to do it

2982
02:07:15,800 --> 02:07:18,190
so I think quarterly

2983
02:07:18,190 --> 02:07:20,320
that's the opportunity over the rest of

2984
02:07:20,320 --> 02:07:22,690
the term to give people a chance and I

2985
02:07:22,690 --> 02:07:24,190
think it's easier to manage

2986
02:07:24,190 --> 02:07:26,500
I know I would accept that as friendly

2987
02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:52,339
yeah

2988
02:07:52,349 --> 02:07:54,820
so you're going quarterly moving for so

2989
02:07:54,820 --> 02:07:55,690
we have to go through this whole thing

2990
02:07:55,690 --> 02:07:58,060
again where people put up their hands

2991
02:07:58,060 --> 02:08:00,489
every month and are every for like

2992
02:08:00,489 --> 02:08:02,349
really I get this is where you want to

2993
02:08:02,349 --> 02:08:06,250
go with this come on folks welcome so

2994
02:08:06,250 --> 02:08:10,150
can I just on the way I guess the vision

2995
02:08:10,150 --> 02:08:12,550
would look like is next December those

2996
02:08:12,550 --> 02:08:14,320
who are interested would put their names

2997
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:16,659
forth and it would be divided up if

2998
02:08:16,659 --> 02:08:18,300
they're save three or four counselors

2999
02:08:18,300 --> 02:08:25,129
okay here okay so and if you don't get

3000
02:08:25,139 --> 02:08:28,179
how it would work monthly then it's like

3001
02:08:28,179 --> 02:08:30,389
how would it be any different

3002
02:08:30,389 --> 02:08:32,920
there's twelve counselors so every

3003
02:08:32,920 --> 02:08:34,060
counselor would be assigned a month so

3004
02:08:34,060 --> 02:08:35,560
you wouldn't have to jockey for which

3005
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:36,820
once you want to do it which ones you

3006
02:08:36,820 --> 02:08:37,929
don't want to do it and all that other

3007
02:08:37,929 --> 02:08:40,270
stuff associated with it i I just wonder

3008
02:08:40,270 --> 02:08:41,949
if either if there are counselors who

3009
02:08:41,949 --> 02:08:44,170
actually want to do it does everybody

3010
02:08:44,170 --> 02:08:49,449
want to be a deputy mayor this makes it

3011
02:08:49,449 --> 02:08:54,050
simple now so Harris you haven't spoken

3012
02:08:54,060 --> 02:08:56,679
would it not make sense just to do it

3013
02:08:56,679 --> 02:08:58,869
for this year and then implement like it

3014
02:08:58,869 --> 02:09:01,599
an actual strategy for 2021 with an

3015
02:09:01,599 --> 02:09:05,710
actual process is that not so just stick

3016
02:09:05,710 --> 02:09:10,630
with the original the original four

3017
02:09:10,630 --> 02:09:12,849
names or whatever or three names or two

3018
02:09:12,849 --> 02:09:16,239
names or whoever wants to do it okay

3019
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:17,860
then I guess you can ask for it I don't

3020
02:09:17,860 --> 02:09:19,989
know like a sec because it seems like

3021
02:09:19,989 --> 02:09:21,400
we're gonna be able to agree with

3022
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:30,169
anything well the simplest one is okay

3023
02:09:30,179 --> 02:09:32,489
counselor Miller you haven't spoken I

3024
02:09:32,489 --> 02:09:35,080
guess my struggle is if we're saying the

3025
02:09:35,080 --> 02:09:36,340
monthly point is the best plan which is

3026
02:09:36,340 --> 02:09:37,690
essentially what we're saying here why

3027
02:09:37,690 --> 02:09:38,800
wouldn't we just go to that right away

3028
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:40,540
why would we wait a year and I

3029
02:09:40,540 --> 02:09:42,070
understand he's the for counselors put

3030
02:09:42,070 --> 02:09:43,239
their name for but they also put their

3031
02:09:43,239 --> 02:09:44,830
name for when the job was very different

3032
02:09:44,830 --> 02:09:46,869
than it's being described here I think

3033
02:09:46,869 --> 02:09:48,760
myself and I'm sure others would have

3034
02:09:48,760 --> 02:09:51,040
done it if we knew it we were signing up

3035
02:09:51,040 --> 02:09:52,929
for a two-month period at some point and

3036
02:09:52,929 --> 02:09:55,599
put our names fort so well I am I guess

3037
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:57,010
I'm sympathetic to the for people who

3038
02:09:57,010 --> 02:09:58,780
wanted to put their names for the next

3039
02:09:58,780 --> 02:10:00,699
year that's also not even what we're

3040
02:10:00,699 --> 02:10:03,429
potentially voting on here so I guess I

3041
02:10:03,429 --> 02:10:05,349
would just ask that why wouldn't we just

3042
02:10:05,349 --> 02:10:09,280
start the monthly plan in January 2020

3043
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:12,480
and not go through this whole hullabaloo

3044
02:10:12,480 --> 02:10:14,560
so if you if you didn't want to be

3045
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:16,090
deputy you just pass it to another

3046
02:10:16,090 --> 02:10:18,849
counselor perfect that works change it

3047
02:10:18,849 --> 02:10:22,030
back to monthly and if so to clarify if

3048
02:10:22,030 --> 02:10:23,380
someone doesn't want to be deputy mayor

3049
02:10:23,380 --> 02:10:46,430
they can give their month up correct

3050
02:10:46,440 --> 02:10:49,510
it's because our bylaw stops December

3051
02:10:49,510 --> 02:10:54,610
first 20 right now should be 2019 three

3052
02:10:54,610 --> 02:10:55,300
mr. mayor

3053
02:10:55,300 --> 02:10:57,550
due to the election you were actually

3054
02:10:57,550 --> 02:10:59,800
nog you rated December one so that's

3055
02:10:59,800 --> 02:11:01,599
when the deputy mayor was first done

3056
02:11:01,599 --> 02:11:04,510
what we're hoping to do is begin January

3057
02:11:04,510 --> 02:11:07,719
one so we're asking this deputy mayor to

3058
02:11:07,719 --> 02:11:11,800
continue December until January 1 to get

3059
02:11:11,800 --> 02:11:15,159
it but it says a deputy mayor for 2020

3060
02:11:15,159 --> 02:11:21,410
so is there one man

3061
02:11:21,420 --> 02:11:24,070
the present deputy mayor which is

3062
02:11:24,070 --> 02:11:26,290
councillor Harris continue his duties

3063
02:11:26,290 --> 02:11:28,630
through December so that we begin the

3064
02:11:28,630 --> 02:11:30,910
process January somewhere on a regular

3065
02:11:30,910 --> 02:11:34,300
January to December 31 so that we could

3066
02:11:34,300 --> 02:11:37,960
do it one month at a time pointing out

3067
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:42,610
is that it should be 2019 so sorry

3068
02:11:42,610 --> 02:11:49,870
counselor it should be 2019 and the

3069
02:11:49,870 --> 02:11:53,410
appointments begin January 2020 and it

3070
02:11:53,410 --> 02:11:56,400
should say three months consecutively

3071
02:11:56,400 --> 02:12:02,770
councillor Williamson I would suggest we

3072
02:12:02,770 --> 02:12:03,970
just worry about this year because

3073
02:12:03,970 --> 02:12:05,680
that's what how we've done appointments

3074
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:06,970
in the past four deputy mayors just this

3075
02:12:06,970 --> 02:12:08,500
year let's do a quarterly for this year

3076
02:12:08,500 --> 02:12:09,580
and then we can figure out what we're

3077
02:12:09,580 --> 02:12:13,170
gonna do going forward for next time

3078
02:12:13,170 --> 02:12:14,740
okay

3079
02:12:14,740 --> 02:12:15,820
I would agree with you councillor

3080
02:12:15,820 --> 02:12:17,560
Williamson it's just that what's been

3081
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:19,270
experienced over the last three weeks is

3082
02:12:19,270 --> 02:12:21,400
quite frustrating when council should be

3083
02:12:21,400 --> 02:12:23,380
paying attention to the stuff in front

3084
02:12:23,380 --> 02:12:24,760
of us and there's phone calls about I

3085
02:12:24,760 --> 02:12:25,960
want to be deputy mayor I want to be

3086
02:12:25,960 --> 02:12:28,090
deputy mayor if we can cut that off now

3087
02:12:28,090 --> 02:12:30,820
and just have a process that's true but

3088
02:12:30,820 --> 02:12:32,320
it makes it so more people may want to

3089
02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:33,580
do it again next year and it might just

3090
02:12:33,580 --> 02:12:36,540
be you might work out fairly okay

3091
02:12:36,540 --> 02:12:39,070
councillor Kushner yes

3092
02:12:39,070 --> 02:12:43,000
mr. Mara I can't agree to this we have

3093
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:45,220
what I thought I was coming for an

3094
02:12:45,220 --> 02:12:48,040
election and we're decay ting that

3095
02:12:48,040 --> 02:12:51,070
responsibility if the position was not

3096
02:12:51,070 --> 02:12:51,940
important

3097
02:12:51,940 --> 02:12:54,370
I'd say fine but I think it is an

3098
02:12:54,370 --> 02:12:56,800
important position and I think there's a

3099
02:12:56,800 --> 02:13:02,860
learning curve and I would ask to a

3100
02:13:02,860 --> 02:13:06,490
former deputy mayor maybe - is there a

3101
02:13:06,490 --> 02:13:10,920
learning curve for the job

3102
02:13:10,930 --> 02:13:13,960
yes I think there is a learning curve

3103
02:13:13,960 --> 02:13:17,740
and I think it's a it's a responsibility

3104
02:13:17,740 --> 02:13:20,200
not to be taken lightly and I look at it

3105
02:13:20,200 --> 02:13:24,340
as the opportunity to represent counsel

3106
02:13:24,340 --> 02:13:28,750
and be almost the conduit for counsel to

3107
02:13:28,750 --> 02:13:32,200
the mayor and senior staff so there is a

3108
02:13:32,200 --> 02:13:34,960
learning curve curve that curve because

3109
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:37,360
I think it curves it's longer than a

3110
02:13:37,360 --> 02:13:41,800
month I assume yes into councilor

3111
02:13:41,800 --> 02:13:46,720
Phillips I agree with with councillor

3112
02:13:46,720 --> 02:13:48,550
Harris yes there is a learning curve

3113
02:13:48,550 --> 02:13:53,590
I saw the role of deputy mayor in number

3114
02:13:53,590 --> 02:13:56,470
one because I'm retired I was able to

3115
02:13:56,470 --> 02:13:58,810
attend the senior management team

3116
02:13:58,810 --> 02:14:01,690
meetings on Wednesday and answer

3117
02:14:01,690 --> 02:14:03,790
questions and help develop agenda which

3118
02:14:03,790 --> 02:14:05,590
I found to be very important I don't

3119
02:14:05,590 --> 02:14:07,240
know if that I don't know if councillor

3120
02:14:07,240 --> 02:14:09,820
Harris was able to do that that's one to

3121
02:14:09,820 --> 02:14:12,910
me significant role secondly any

3122
02:14:12,910 --> 02:14:14,890
concerns from councillors that they

3123
02:14:14,890 --> 02:14:16,780
wanted taken to the mayor I was able to

3124
02:14:16,780 --> 02:14:18,340
do that or if he wanted me to take

3125
02:14:18,340 --> 02:14:20,680
something to specific councillors I was

3126
02:14:20,680 --> 02:14:24,280
able to do that and plus Saturdays are

3127
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:27,460
busy because the mayor is always

3128
02:14:27,460 --> 02:14:28,120
double-booked

3129
02:14:28,120 --> 02:14:31,330
he's out everywhere opening businesses

3130
02:14:31,330 --> 02:14:34,780
and you usually get the call to do I'm

3131
02:14:34,780 --> 02:14:37,630
going to say to three businesses most

3132
02:14:37,630 --> 02:14:40,900
Saturdays so that's the role yes there

3133
02:14:40,900 --> 02:14:46,150
is a learning curve to be there for a

3134
02:14:46,150 --> 02:14:50,200
month I don't know it depends on on the

3135
02:14:50,200 --> 02:14:52,000
availability of the person who's who's

3136
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,530
going to be deputy mayor and the

3137
02:14:53,530 --> 02:14:56,110
involvement he or she want to become

3138
02:14:56,110 --> 02:15:01,420
involved in it in context that the

3139
02:15:01,420 --> 02:15:05,680
region it is by month so and the region

3140
02:15:05,680 --> 02:15:07,330
you'd think the regional chair would

3141
02:15:07,330 --> 02:15:09,700
have a very important vice chair that

3142
02:15:09,700 --> 02:15:11,080
would do all the work of what a vice

3143
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:13,150
chair would do but it's my month it's

3144
02:15:13,150 --> 02:15:15,430
taught by years so I think a bigger

3145
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:16,690
corporation you'd think there would be a

3146
02:15:16,690 --> 02:15:18,490
vice chair but there's not counselor

3147
02:15:18,490 --> 02:15:20,500
just just add to what you said I spoke

3148
02:15:20,500 --> 02:15:22,630
with councillor height about it he's

3149
02:15:22,630 --> 02:15:23,219
been deputy

3150
02:15:23,219 --> 02:15:25,349
mayor on this council as well as running

3151
02:15:25,349 --> 02:15:29,579
the or being the the deputy mayor of the

3152
02:15:29,579 --> 02:15:31,679
month or Deputy Chair of the month of

3153
02:15:31,679 --> 02:15:34,409
the region and he says it does work up

3154
02:15:34,409 --> 02:15:36,809
there but then again there's things that

3155
02:15:36,809 --> 02:15:38,820
work up there that don't work down here

3156
02:15:38,820 --> 02:15:43,559
and rap Vicey Versey if I can continue

3157
02:15:43,559 --> 02:15:46,530
mr. mayor you indicated works for the

3158
02:15:46,530 --> 02:15:48,960
region well I would have some question

3159
02:15:48,960 --> 02:15:51,179
about how while it worked for the last

3160
02:15:51,179 --> 02:15:54,780
term of the region but my point is I

3161
02:15:54,780 --> 02:15:57,809
have not heard a good argument I've not

3162
02:15:57,809 --> 02:16:00,479
heard a good argument for why we would

3163
02:16:00,479 --> 02:16:03,329
be doing this with the exception that we

3164
02:16:03,329 --> 02:16:05,760
have for good people that are interested

3165
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:08,969
and therefore that's the reason to make

3166
02:16:08,969 --> 02:16:12,630
them deputy mayor on a short basis if we

3167
02:16:12,630 --> 02:16:14,880
have four excellent people let this

3168
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:17,610
council decide who is the most excellent

3169
02:16:17,610 --> 02:16:21,090
to the for thank you okay anybody else

3170
02:16:21,090 --> 02:16:29,610
when you speak councillor Porter if I

3171
02:16:29,610 --> 02:16:33,200
can respond to councillor Kushner's

3172
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:36,120
comments I think it would be important

3173
02:16:36,120 --> 02:16:37,590
to have different people who have new

3174
02:16:37,590 --> 02:16:40,019
counselors experienced counselors you

3175
02:16:40,019 --> 02:16:42,660
get to spend additional time with senior

3176
02:16:42,660 --> 02:16:44,729
staff and with the mayor setting the

3177
02:16:44,729 --> 02:16:48,000
agenda and I think it just builds for a

3178
02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:50,279
better team so that's that's why I would

3179
02:16:50,279 --> 02:16:53,130
be in favor of of taking turns doing it

3180
02:16:53,130 --> 02:16:55,019
is is you get that opportunity to kind

3181
02:16:55,019 --> 02:16:57,630
of be on the inside a little bit and you

3182
02:16:57,630 --> 02:16:59,460
get a gaining greater appreciate a

3183
02:16:59,460 --> 02:17:03,029
greater appreciation of what's what

3184
02:17:03,029 --> 02:17:07,200
staff are doing else reporter Kelso

3185
02:17:07,200 --> 02:17:08,880
Ceretto Thank You mr. mayor it's not a

3186
02:17:08,880 --> 02:17:11,510
conflict for me to speak to this is it

3187
02:17:11,510 --> 02:17:16,649
I'm okay look okay so I'm Justin but the

3188
02:17:16,649 --> 02:17:18,029
greatest respect to my colleague and

3189
02:17:18,029 --> 02:17:19,620
I'll ask her later on I just don't

3190
02:17:19,620 --> 02:17:21,510
understand why councillor Littleton

3191
02:17:21,510 --> 02:17:24,479
declared a conflict and I'll ask her I

3192
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,330
do agree with this and just to get to

3193
02:17:27,330 --> 02:17:29,969
the comment about the learning curve the

3194
02:17:29,969 --> 02:17:31,889
one thing that I heard that stands out

3195
02:17:31,889 --> 02:17:32,800
is that

3196
02:17:32,800 --> 02:17:37,330
selecting the the agendas most of us

3197
02:17:37,330 --> 02:17:40,059
have represented you mr. mayor and we

3198
02:17:40,059 --> 02:17:42,280
have represented council so I don't know

3199
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:44,530
you know when you talk about a learning

3200
02:17:44,530 --> 02:17:46,809
curve how much more of a learning curve

3201
02:17:46,809 --> 02:17:49,150
there there is involved other than

3202
02:17:49,150 --> 02:17:51,639
picking up the items for the agenda we

3203
02:17:51,639 --> 02:17:53,530
read the agendas every other week or

3204
02:17:53,530 --> 02:17:55,599
when they come to us so I don't see that

3205
02:17:55,599 --> 02:17:57,820
as a tremendously onerous learning curve

3206
02:17:57,820 --> 02:17:59,740
if you will mr. mayor and I quite agree

3207
02:17:59,740 --> 02:18:02,889
with some of my colleagues that I think

3208
02:18:02,889 --> 02:18:05,860
that we should should rotate it

3209
02:18:05,860 --> 02:18:08,860
quarterly mr. mayor because it will

3210
02:18:08,860 --> 02:18:14,830
allow other people to represent your office so councillor

3211
02:18:14,830 --> 02:18:17,229
Miller councillor Porter is interested

3212
02:18:17,229 --> 02:18:18,820
in doing it and there are four of us

3213
02:18:18,820 --> 02:18:20,920
right now that would allow everybody a

3214
02:18:20,920 --> 02:18:22,660
fair opportunity and I think three

3215
02:18:22,660 --> 02:18:25,690
months I think three months is long

3216
02:18:25,690 --> 02:18:27,580
enough to do it and then if there is

3217
02:18:27,580 --> 02:18:29,769
another counselor who doesn't want to do

3218
02:18:29,769 --> 02:18:31,479
it and they say okay let's take this to

3219
02:18:31,479 --> 02:18:33,729
Council I'm going to withdraw my name so

3220
02:18:33,729 --> 02:18:36,429
someone who hasn't done it okay for this

3221
02:18:36,429 --> 02:18:38,590
term then go ahead and do it and I think

3222
02:18:38,590 --> 02:18:40,389
that that would be very democratic and

3223
02:18:40,389 --> 02:18:42,790
I'm sure that my colleague from Port

3224
02:18:42,790 --> 02:18:44,590
deluzy would appreciate that democratic

3225
02:18:44,590 --> 02:18:49,630
principle that's it thank you okay okay

3226
02:18:49,630 --> 02:18:55,229
so we we good here so councillor towns

3227
02:18:55,229 --> 02:18:57,550
motion is in front of you you've made

3228
02:18:57,550 --> 02:19:01,150
the motion you've heard from Council do

3229
02:19:01,150 --> 02:19:03,639
you want to remove the 2021 which is one

3230
02:19:03,639 --> 02:19:05,590
month for each councillor in 2021 and

3231
02:19:05,590 --> 02:19:07,929
come come back to this kind of wonderful

3232
02:19:07,929 --> 02:19:10,719
discussion that we just had in a year

3233
02:19:10,719 --> 02:19:13,240
from now leave it the way it is and

3234
02:19:13,240 --> 02:19:14,530
let's vote on it the way it is okay

3235
02:19:14,530 --> 02:19:18,729
thank you okay Thank You councillor

3236
02:19:18,729 --> 02:19:22,870
Townsend so call a question through you

3237
02:19:22,870 --> 02:19:25,179
mr. mayor through is this the motion

3238
02:19:25,179 --> 02:19:28,690
with the BIA as well on it the BIA one

3239
02:19:28,690 --> 02:19:30,340
is not a separate it's just a separate

3240
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:34,389
so the motion before you councillor

3241
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:37,170
Townsend yes

3242
02:19:37,170 --> 02:19:44,969
councillor Williamson yes

3243
02:19:44,979 --> 02:19:47,030
did she ask that when she did she did

3244
02:19:47,030 --> 02:19:47,420
didn't she

3245
02:19:47,420 --> 02:19:49,340
did she ask for that I'm sorry I just

3246
02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:55,410
heard her say she had a conflict

3247
02:19:55,420 --> 02:19:58,010
what does councillor Littleton have a

3248
02:19:58,010 --> 02:20:01,160
conflict on she's declaring a conflict

3249
02:20:01,160 --> 02:20:02,931
on the position of deputy mayor cuz it's

3250
02:20:02,931 --> 02:20:05,210
a it's a paid position in its entirety

3251
02:20:05,210 --> 02:20:06,950
though I wasn't sure if she was

3252
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:08,601
separating out a portion of missing so

3253
02:20:08,601 --> 02:20:10,760
she could vote on a portion of it that's

3254
02:20:10,760 --> 02:20:12,320
what we're going to get okay that's the

3255
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:19,859
case you should clarify that

3256
02:20:19,869 --> 02:20:22,300
split it counselor Wilson counselor

3257
02:20:22,300 --> 02:20:34,689
lamps and split split move on I don't

3258
02:20:34,689 --> 02:20:36,130
know if we'll have such a robust

3259
02:20:36,130 --> 02:20:37,750
discussion for the Downtown Association

3260
02:20:37,750 --> 02:20:39,790
but who would like to be a member of the

3261
02:20:39,790 --> 02:20:42,069
Downtown Association is there anyone we

3262
02:20:42,069 --> 02:20:43,869
would like to put your hand up because

3263
02:20:43,869 --> 02:20:45,869
currently we have a vacant space

3264
02:20:45,869 --> 02:20:49,420
councillor Sorrento mr. mayor I have to

3265
02:20:49,420 --> 02:20:52,239
defer for a year okay just just so you

3266
02:20:52,239 --> 02:20:54,760
know I end up then don't put your hand

3267
02:20:54,760 --> 02:20:55,060
up

3268
02:20:55,060 --> 02:20:57,670
you can't defer it okay for my position

3269
02:20:57,670 --> 02:21:00,250
for my nomination I'll do it next to all

3270
02:21:00,250 --> 02:21:09,340
the council yes okay so voting on the

3271
02:21:09,340 --> 02:21:15,399
first one so councillor Williamson you

3272
02:21:15,399 --> 02:21:17,529
said yes counselor Townsend you said yes

3273
02:21:17,529 --> 02:21:18,810
counselor Sorrento

3274
02:21:18,810 --> 02:21:21,340
so we're voting on the first part which

3275
02:21:21,340 --> 02:21:25,810
is that one okay Cory I wrote this I got

3276
02:21:25,810 --> 02:21:29,130
to get it up we're doing a quarter legal

3277
02:21:29,130 --> 02:21:30,930
okay

3278
02:21:30,930 --> 02:21:33,909
just where you'd be clear to come yes

3279
02:21:33,909 --> 02:21:39,420
clerk councillor Cisco councillor Porter

3280
02:21:39,420 --> 02:21:43,239
yeah councillor Phillips councillor

3281
02:21:43,239 --> 02:21:44,260
Miller yes

3282
02:21:44,260 --> 02:21:49,659
councillor Littleton conflict councillor

3283
02:21:49,659 --> 02:21:58,109
kushner councillor Harris

3284
02:21:58,119 --> 02:22:00,340
well I had my hand up no you guys kept

3285
02:22:00,340 --> 02:22:01,689
switching back and forth between

3286
02:22:01,689 --> 02:22:04,180
different things just strike his name

3287
02:22:04,180 --> 02:22:11,079
okay okay that's okay you can still vote

3288
02:22:11,079 --> 02:22:13,710
yeah okay yes

3289
02:22:13,710 --> 02:22:17,949
Cal sir Garcia no and counselor dodge

3290
02:22:17,949 --> 02:22:18,790
yeah

3291
02:22:18,790 --> 02:22:22,420
they are sensing yes and that's carried

3292
02:22:22,420 --> 02:22:26,649
the second one so highlight the second

3293
02:22:26,649 --> 02:22:32,079
one Kyra if you can which is the note no we're still on the first we're still

3294
02:22:32,079 --> 02:22:33,579
in that one but it was let the motion

3295
02:22:33,579 --> 02:22:36,399
was split so go back to the screen

3296
02:22:36,399 --> 02:22:38,649
and you got to highlight the second part

3297
02:22:38,649 --> 02:22:41,529
that we're voting on which is that it's

3298
02:22:41,529 --> 02:22:46,239
the for the next year so it's so all the

3299
02:22:46,239 --> 02:22:47,470
way up right there

3300
02:22:47,470 --> 02:22:48,609
so we're voting on if you got to

3301
02:22:48,609 --> 02:22:57,320
highlight that and the remainder okay

3302
02:22:57,330 --> 02:23:00,480
it's council clear okay

3303
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:05,650
councillor dodge councillor Garcia No

3304
02:23:05,650 --> 02:23:10,380
councillor Harris yes councillor Kushner

3305
02:23:10,380 --> 02:23:13,030
councillor Littleton yes

3306
02:23:13,030 --> 02:23:16,030
councillor Miller yes councillor

3307
02:23:16,030 --> 02:23:20,290
Phillips councillor Porter yes

3308
02:23:20,290 --> 02:23:29,470
councillor Cisco councillor Sorento yes

3309
02:23:29,470 --> 02:23:31,120
councillor Townsend

3310
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:34,030
yes councillor Williamson and Mayor

3311
02:23:34,030 --> 02:23:38,830
CENTAC yes and that's carried okay that

3312
02:23:38,830 --> 02:23:43,330
was a tough one folks congratulations to

3313
02:23:43,330 --> 02:23:46,480
this year's deputy mayors and look

3314
02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:48,160
forward to the calendar of deputy pairs

3315
02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:53,590
next year that'll be a nice one okay so

3316
02:23:53,590 --> 02:23:56,101
we got to do the Downtown Association

3317
02:23:56,101 --> 02:23:59,320
councillor Dodge sorry mr. mayor

3318
02:23:59,320 --> 02:24:01,300
so how is it gonna work for the monthly

3319
02:24:01,300 --> 02:24:03,910
thing like are we section is to report

3320
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:05,650
back on how it's gonna be so I didn't

3321
02:24:05,650 --> 02:24:07,240
see that I'm sorry the staff direction

3322
02:24:07,240 --> 02:24:13,021
from councillor Cisco okay and then

3323
02:24:13,021 --> 02:24:15,190
Downtown Association councillor Kushner

3324
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:16,931
you'd like to put your name for it okay

3325
02:24:16,931 --> 02:24:22,210
all in favor of council that's what

3326
02:24:22,210 --> 02:24:23,620
happens when you put your hand up mr.

3327
02:24:23,620 --> 02:24:25,601
mayor you have to be innovative since

3328
02:24:25,601 --> 02:24:27,610
nobody's interested and we have four

3329
02:24:27,610 --> 02:24:31,181
deputy mayors why not three why not have

3330
02:24:31,181 --> 02:24:32,950
one of them on the Downtown Association

3331
02:24:32,950 --> 02:24:37,070
because they have already

3332
02:24:37,080 --> 02:24:40,120
should I read my speech for deputy mayor

3333
02:24:40,120 --> 02:24:41,530
so I can get on the down

3334
02:24:41,530 --> 02:24:48,290
you hear it it's a very good speech I'm

3335
02:24:48,290 --> 02:24:52,870
very good at speaking just switch out

3336
02:24:52,870 --> 02:24:55,101
okay so who wants to put their name for

3337
02:24:55,101 --> 02:24:55,341
it

3338
02:24:55,341 --> 02:24:56,660
counselor enter you're gonna put your

3339
02:24:56,660 --> 02:25:03,351
name forward okay okay okay

3340
02:25:03,351 --> 02:25:05,330
counselors rant oh no see nobody else

3341
02:25:05,330 --> 02:25:07,370
all in favor of counselors ranch on

3342
02:25:07,370 --> 02:25:13,851
Downtown Association carried salt to the

3343
02:25:13,851 --> 02:25:23,811
highest bidder I don't think counselor

3344
02:25:23,811 --> 02:25:25,101
Alton even put your name forward did you

3345
02:25:25,101 --> 02:25:28,311
I thought I thought you were gonna read

3346
02:25:28,311 --> 02:25:37,851
a speech we're moving on so now where do

3347
02:25:37,851 --> 02:25:42,150
we go from here in Kim

3348
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:45,110
so three point six that was already

3349
02:25:45,110 --> 02:25:47,240
referred that was already referred by

3350
02:25:47,240 --> 02:25:49,370
counselor Porter that's the audit and

3351
02:25:49,370 --> 02:25:52,490
accountability fund correct that's

3352
02:25:52,490 --> 02:25:53,660
already been referred to the budget

3353
02:25:53,660 --> 02:25:55,551
committee so now we go in-camera there's

3354
02:25:55,551 --> 02:25:58,250
a human resources matter fire services

3355
02:25:58,250 --> 02:26:00,110
personnel matter about an identified

3356
02:26:00,110 --> 02:26:01,431
noble individual including municipal

3357
02:26:01,431 --> 02:26:04,101
local board employee I have a mover in a

3358
02:26:04,101 --> 02:26:10,350
secondary to go in-camera counselor

3359
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:14,330
which one is what the original agenda

3360
02:26:14,330 --> 02:26:15,740
item where we were gonna vote for deputy

3361
02:26:15,740 --> 02:26:17,511
manager to the old rules we had to make

3362
02:26:17,511 --> 02:26:19,221
some sort of motion to that from the

3363
02:26:19,221 --> 02:26:21,740
agenda so what is through you mr. mayor

3364
02:26:21,740 --> 02:26:24,410
there it was just a recommendation what

3365
02:26:24,410 --> 02:26:26,931
you did was a new motion was put so the

3366
02:26:26,931 --> 02:26:29,990
original was never put thanks for the

3367
02:26:29,990 --> 02:26:30,730
clarification

3368
02:26:30,730 --> 02:26:32,960
okay motion to a camera counselor

3369
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:38,601
Phillip pardon later that's after we

3370
02:26:38,601 --> 02:26:40,670
come out of in-camera counselor dodge

3371
02:26:40,670 --> 02:26:42,250
all a favor

3372
02:26:42,250 --> 02:26:46,570
carried seeing camera