1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,480 what Rory means because Tim said, "Are we voting on this tonight?" I said, 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:09,440 "Well, Claire said, "We are, but then Rory said, "No, it doesn't." What he's 3 00:00:07,359 --> 00:00:12,480 saying is you vote on the proposed and then you don't pass the you pass the 4 00:00:11,120 --> 00:00:15,920 final without >> No, we adopt it tonight by resolution. 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:18,880 So, we're going to vote on the resolution tonight. 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:24,080 » And then what happened? Is it changeable? 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:27,680 » That's not what >> Why are you asking about it? I don't 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,519 understand. Because Tim asked me if they were voting last night and I said, 9 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,559 I'm confused. 10 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,079 I'm not really 11 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,880 We're not 12 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,840 sure. 13 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,920 All right. 6:00 14 00:02:01,439 --> 00:02:04,000 second. 15 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:08,160 Councilman Swanson. >> Yes, ma'am. 16 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:10,479 » Councilman Brazzle. >> Councilman Hammond. 17 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,000 » Councilman Elim. >> Yes. 18 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:13,360 » Councilman Hollander. >> Yes. 19 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,120 » Councilwoman York. >> Yes. 20 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:18,200 » Councilman Baker. >> All right. 21 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:24,160 » It didn't sound like it was working, but it was on. 22 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:28,760 » No. All right. I'm going to go get my water, my glasses, my phone, all of it. 23 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,560 testing. 24 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,800 Excellent. 25 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,079 » Excuse me. 26 00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:05,319 at the top of the top. 27 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:12,880 » All right. So, with that, I would entertain a motion. 28 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:16,559 » Uh, I make a motion to return um to uh open meeting. 29 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,720 » Motion to second. >> All those in favor say I. 30 00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:22,480 » I. >> All those opposed. 31 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:28,520 » All right. So, we are back out of the closed session. We will take a break 32 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,520 until 7 [snorts] o'clock. 33 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,440 Okay. 34 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:44,599 Step outside. 35 00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:20,599 Look at this. 36 00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:30,839 So nice. >> I'm going to do this first. 37 00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:38,839 » How are you? 38 00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:52,559 » This this your number? Oh, it's a citizen. 39 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:56,960 » It looks Yeah, you guys have good taste. >> Oh, yeah. 40 00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:00,520 That's funny. >> If you see your 41 00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:32,680 Yeah. Okay. Okay. Fair enough. >> Fair enough. 42 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,680 » Fair enough. I will do that. 43 00:57:36,319 --> 00:57:41,160 » Well, I didn't put a whole lot. 44 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,240 Yeah. 45 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:08,920 » I got second building. 46 00:58:21,119 --> 00:58:27,799 All right, I'll do it. >> All right. 47 00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:39,240 I don't know if I have the due date on my 48 00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:46,440 » I'll cram it in 49 00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,720 Yeah. 50 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,480 So I know 51 00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:16,720 my wife was 52 00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,440 I don't know whatever 53 00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:37,400 we going school day 54 00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,720 What about 55 01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,240 everything in 56 01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:21,720 else they were. I guess you can say, 57 01:00:22,319 --> 01:00:28,599 » "How's it going?" >> Oh, yeah. 58 01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:35,200 » You know what? >> I just got back from vacation. We were 59 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:38,960 Northern Europe. >> Beautiful. 60 01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,599 » Yeah, I know. I could actually get a tan. That's what 61 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:54,119 » No. No. It was sunny days. Yeah. 62 01:01:00,319 --> 01:01:03,319 » Yeah. 63 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:09,720 » Yeah. We need that. Yeah, 64 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:19,319 » they got some interesting >> analysis of the 65 01:01:16,319 --> 01:01:19,319 election. 66 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,880 » Oh, no. I say I got some 67 01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:42,839 wonder 68 01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:59,079 that's what that's what the analyst I don't know how they come up with that. 69 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,599 » So 70 01:02:06,799 --> 01:02:16,920 Yeah. >> Last day. That's where they used to let 71 01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,920 in. 72 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:25,440 » $34,000. >> Yes. You came in from a certain period 73 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:31,920 from Italy. >> Good evening everyone. Welcome to the 74 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:36,319 Monday, August 31st, 2026 St. Charles County Council meeting. We will start 75 01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:39,920 tonight with an invocation. Uh Larry Rice is with us, the director of New 76 01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:44,000 Life Evangelistic Center. He's going to lead us in our prayer and our pledge of 77 01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:48,480 allegiance will be led by me. If you please stand and remove your caps. 78 01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:53,040 Larry, good to see you. >> Thank you. Good to see you. 79 01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:56,640 Father God, we're coming to you tonight asking you to open our eyes and our 80 01:02:54,720 --> 01:03:00,160 heart to the suffering in our communities. Lord, help us, Lord Jesus, 81 01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,599 to remember that you said as often we've done it to the least of these, even so, 82 01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:07,440 we've done it unto you. I thank you, Lord, for each one that is here. And I 83 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:11,119 ask that you be with each one of the councilmen and women and the decisions 84 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,760 they make. We ask you to guide and direct us. In Christ's name we pray. 85 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,319 Amen. >> Amen. 86 01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:21,440 » Please join me in the pledge. Pledge algiance to the flag of the United 87 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:27,039 States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under 88 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:29,839 God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 89 01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,839 » Thank you. May be seated. Please call the role. 90 01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:33,440 » Councilman Swanson >> here, ma'am. 91 01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,119 » Councilman Brazzle >> here. 92 01:03:33,839 --> 01:03:36,559 » Councilman Hammond >> here. 93 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:38,079 » Councilman Elum >> here. 94 01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:39,520 » Councilman Hollander >> here. 95 01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:40,960 » Councilwoman York >> here. 96 01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:44,880 » Councilman Baker >> here. Starting off tonight with 97 01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:51,359 conditional use permits. Starting with bill 5516. 98 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:57,839 » Bill number 5516, an ordinance granting conditional use permit cup 26-05 99 01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:02,720 for years used automobile sales to 501 partnership, Kenneth C. Hawkins and 100 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:07,680 Margaret J. Hawkins, Ronald S. Bowers and Ruth Anne Bowers property owner and 101 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:13,359 Daniel Clelesner applicant. We had the presentation in public hearing uh three 102 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:17,920 weeks ago and uh the record is now closed. Any final discussion on this? 103 01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:24,079 Seeing none, please call the role. >> Bill number 5516, an ordinance granting 104 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:28,640 conditional use permit CUP26-05 for used automobile sales to 501 105 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:32,960 Partnership. Kenneth C. Hawkins and Margaret J. Hawkins, Ronald S. Bowers 106 01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:37,119 and Ruth Anne Bowers, property owner, and Daniel Clener, applicant. Councilman 107 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,559 Swanson. Yes, ma'am. >> Councilman Brazzle. 108 01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,000 » Yes. >> Councilman Hammond. 109 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,440 » Yes. >> Councilman Elim. 110 01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:42,880 » Yes. >> Councilman Hollander. 111 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:44,160 » Yes. >> Councilwoman York. 112 01:04:43,839 --> 01:04:45,760 » Yes. >> Councilman Baker. 113 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,559 » Yes. >> Bill 5516 passes. That gets us to bill 114 01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:56,880 5517. >> Bill number 5517, an ordinance granting 115 01:04:53,359 --> 01:05:01,440 conditional use permit cup26-06 for a landscaping contracting service to 116 01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:04,559 Theodore Hafner, property owner and applicant. 117 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:09,520 » As with the last one, public hearing was 3 weeks ago. Public record is closed. 118 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:13,039 Any final comments? Seeing none, please call the role. 119 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:18,720 » Bill number 5517, an ordinance granting conditional use permit CUP26-06 120 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:23,440 for a landscaping contracting service to Theodore Hefner, property owner and 121 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,200 applicant. Councilman Brazzle, >> yes. 122 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,720 » Councilman Hammond, >> yes. 123 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:28,480 » Councilman Elum, >> yes. 124 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,160 » Councilman Hollander, >> yes. 125 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,599 » Councilwoman York, >> yes. 126 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,119 » Councilman Baker, >> yes. 127 01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:40,319 » Councilman Swanson, >> yes, ma'am. Bill number 5517 passes. Up 128 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:45,039 next is a public hearing on the 2027 to 2031. 129 01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:48,319 Wow. 2031 capital program and strategic plan. 130 01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:52,640 » Arie Dino. >> Uh I think before we do the public 131 01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:58,079 hearing part there, I think Mr. Summer is going to come up and he's going to do 132 01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:03,200 a presentation. Then >> we'll entertain Mr. Dino's comments. 133 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,400 Claire, did you guys give us hard copies on this? Do we have them? 134 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:10,799 » We can get one. >> Yes, I think everyone probably want one. 135 01:06:09,599 --> 01:06:15,200 » You should all should have received electronic copies once it's approved by 136 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,920 the con county council. You will get a hard copy. 137 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,720 » Well, can we get a hard copy before it's approved so they can read it? 138 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,960 » Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. 139 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:26,160 » Well, you're going to approve it this evening. 140 01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,799 » I thought we weren't approving it this evening. 141 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:33,039 » We're voting on it tonight. >> Yeah. You're I'm sorry. You're approving 142 01:06:30,799 --> 01:06:36,559 the the plan this evening, but again, until the budget is finalized in two 143 01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:41,440 months time, I mean, again, it's a resolution of the council. So, the plan 144 01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:44,960 is just a plan until the budget is finalized in two months time. 145 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:49,599 » To that point, it's important for everyone to understand what Mr. Summer's 146 01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,359 going to talk about the plan. We're going to have a public hearing on it. 147 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:59,599 What's before the council tonight is a resolution which basically says we we 148 01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,920 saw the plan. Anything that's in there has to come back individually. 149 01:07:02,079 --> 01:07:08,720 Everything that's in there has to come back individually before the council and 150 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:13,760 will be voted on individually. This is not a blanket approval of we're about to 151 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:18,079 sign off on the next four years of everything. That is not what this is. 152 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:22,720 Just to be clear, this is only a resolution that we're voting on tonight. 153 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,920 » Everybody cool? >> Excellent. Mr. summer. 154 01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:27,920 » So, with that, I apologize. You guys are reading my notes already, but sorry 155 01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:31,039 about that. >> That's okay. Hey, this evening before 156 01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:37,200 you, you have the St. Charles County capital plan program and strategic plan 157 01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:40,880 for 2027 and the years that follow that. This currently is a five-year proposed 158 01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:45,440 capital plan that will not be fully funded in for the 27 year until the 159 01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:50,079 operating budget is approved by the county council later this year. The plan 160 01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:54,400 covers equipment maintenance upkeep, major repairs, and construction projects 161 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:59,760 from 23 different funding sources for the 29 different county departments and 162 01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:03,359 18 county buildings, the family arena, the highway sheds, emergency 163 01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:10,640 communication towers, and 19 current county parks. This is a $96 million plan 164 01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:18,799 for the calendar year 2027 as opposed to 89 million for the prior year 2026 and 165 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:23,440 $105 million plan for the year 2025. Basically, the items in the plan that 166 01:08:21,839 --> 01:08:30,719 have a value of a million dollars or more include $1.8 $8 million for flood 167 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:35,199 resiliency at the airport of which 95% will be reimbursed by the FAA, 168 01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:39,600 $5 million for the Henis Park Construction and Development, 169 01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:45,279 $1.5 million for the Heritage Museum Center Construction, 170 01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:50,080 $1 million for the National Equestrian Center for Repairs and Improvements, 171 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:56,000 $6 million for the Pet Adoption Center at the National Equestrian Center, $5 172 01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:01,120 million for the Spring Bend Park phase 2 completion 173 01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:06,319 1.2 million for the f finishing of two new courtrooms for the circuit courts 174 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:11,279 $1 million to begin courthouse annexation renovations 175 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:16,640 $7 million for the justice center phase three renovation $1.3 million ballot 176 01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:20,159 tubulation system for the election authority 177 01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:25,120 1.4 4 million for the fleet vehicle replacement program, 178 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:30,239 1.3 million for the Microsoft licensing for Windows and Office 365, 179 01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:35,040 1.4 million for the vehicle and equipment road and bridges, and once 180 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:39,279 again, $40 million for transportation plan planning during the calendar year 181 01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:42,960 27 for the road and bridge improvements and the maintenance. So, if there's any 182 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:45,520 clarification needed, I know some of the department heads are in the house 183 01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:49,920 tonight. be glad to answer any questions you have, but once again, this is just a 184 01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:54,800 plan. It will not be funded until later this year. 185 01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:58,480 » Mr. Baker, I know we we cut 3 million out of the budget from uh capping the 186 01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:03,199 personal or removing the county's portion of the personal property tax. Is 187 01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:06,400 that a is that a correct amount? Was it about 3 million? 188 01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:08,800 » We removed 3 million. >> Are you talking about on road and 189 01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,719 bridge? >> Right. 190 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,440 » Um >> can you pull that microphone down, 191 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,283 please? Sorry. 192 01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,640 » Um, it's it's more than that. [clears throat] 193 01:10:17,199 --> 01:10:21,040 That's that's about our >> So, where is where where is that? I 194 01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:24,080 mean, >> that will be reflected when you get the 195 01:10:22,480 --> 01:10:27,418 operating budget in November. >> That's going to be the operating budget 196 01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,040 in November. Does not it's not it [clears throat] doesn't impact the 197 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,400 capital budget. >> Does notffect the capital budget. 198 01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:34,560 » All right. Thank you. >> How much Oh, I'm sorry. 199 01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:41,199 » Go ahead. >> Um, so Mike, how much is in the next in 200 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:44,719 the next year? What's in parks total? >> The parks total? I don't have the plan 201 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,480 in front of me. Uh, Councilman York, do you have your hard copy with you 202 01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,120 tonight? >> 32 million. 203 01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:51,840 » 32 million is what I'm hearing out of the back 204 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:56,120 » for just one year. >> The park says 205 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:56,120 » for just one year. 206 01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:01,440 » Councilman Baker, is your put into this capital improvement? 207 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,920 » No, that's that's that's something separate that would 208 01:11:02,480 --> 01:11:08,800 » Is that not supposed to be in here? Is that something different? That one 209 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:11,199 that's the the road board what that was. But 210 01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,000 » um >> I'm just going to say that I'm not going 211 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:17,760 to vote on this tonight because I was under impression that we we usually got 212 01:11:15,679 --> 01:11:21,760 hard copies. I always thought where we could look through it not after it voted 213 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:26,719 on because how can we review it if we don't have hard copies prior to because 214 01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:30,080 you know it's it's how many pages and it's I'm just saying I mean you guys can 215 01:11:28,159 --> 01:11:34,880 vote for it but I'm not because um >> it was emailed out. I know I was out of 216 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:38,560 town in the University of Oklahoma last meeting. I miss this meeting with my 217 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:42,800 daughter. So that's why I missed it. But I I thought we would have had hard 218 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:45,199 copies just to review. I might have to say it, but I'm not prepared. I'm just 219 01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:46,640 saying. >> Okay. 220 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:50,960 » Yeah, >> we did this last year and I think it's 221 01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:54,000 the same way those of us who aren't used to doing it. 222 01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:59,920 » I like the hard copy to write on, but that comes later and uh we do it all by 223 01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:04,400 computer right now. >> Right. 224 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:08,640 Any other questions? Yes, Mr. >> Yeah. So, you know, I I know I' I've 225 01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:12,719 brought this up to Rob and the highway department, but I I've looked through 226 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:17,760 looked through the capital plan and I and I I've said this a lot and I know 227 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:23,679 there's no no recourse at least right now. But we funded some storm water 228 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:28,960 studies that people are getting flooded. Uh, I mean, every time it rains, it's 229 01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:33,760 it's pretty bad. And I'm not seeing any any avenue to to to try to address that. 230 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:37,280 And so, that's that's my biggest concern about this capital plan. But, I mean, if 231 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:40,560 we get another go at it back in November, that's fine. And and and 232 01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:44,239 that's what you're saying, right, Mike? Is that we get a I mean, we get another 233 01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:48,960 go at this in November. >> Anything that's proposed in the capital 234 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:53,360 plan, they will come to us individually. This is showing you this is the proposed 235 01:12:51,199 --> 01:12:58,159 plan over the next four years. key proposed plan over the next four years. 236 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:03,520 Anything that's in here, for example, the $22 million road projects, we are 237 01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:08,719 not approving $22 million in road projects tonight. It's just there is $22 238 01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:13,920 million in road projects over the next four years that are in this particular 239 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:18,800 plan. Every one of those road projects like it has always been, every one of 240 01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:25,280 them has to come back to us for individual approval just like we do with 241 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:28,480 this is not our budget that we are approving like we do in November, 242 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:32,131 December. >> Every item in the capital plan will be 243 01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,600 included in the operating budget that [clears throat] you'll see later on this 244 01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,280 year >> and just 245 01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:38,239 » and you'll get that the first week of November. What I would like, I'm not 246 01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:42,880 saying we're going to fund it and this is I just like to see if if we were to 247 01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:48,560 fund these these specific problems that we have which Cinnamon Hills is 7 248 01:13:45,440 --> 01:13:53,120 million. I mean it's it's it's no it's not small change. I would just like to 249 01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:56,719 see how we go about doing how if you were to present us addressing it. I'd 250 01:13:55,199 --> 01:14:02,239 like to know what would be impacted. Is it the road? Is it slab repair? Is it 251 01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:06,480 you know and just I just would would like to see a plan. Now whether that 252 01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,239 plan gets adopted I just you know I just like 253 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,679 » and all that detail will be included in the operating budget. 254 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:16,560 » Thank you Pat. >> I remove myself but I I just want to 255 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:20,239 reiterate that we will have time if we want to change something in this portion 256 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:25,760 of it if we will be able to do that while we're doing the the whole budget. 257 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:29,120 This is one part of the budget. This is the 258 01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:34,080 » this is a proposed proposed capital plan for the next four years. proposed 259 01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,719 capital plan for the next four years. This is not approving the capital plan 260 01:14:37,040 --> 01:14:44,560 for the next four years. >> But even if we want to change something 261 01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:48,719 in this plan, we can do it before when the when the budget 262 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:50,880 » when they come before us, you will you will amend them before then. 263 01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:55,440 » Correct. >> Yes. Correct. And 264 01:14:53,440 --> 01:15:01,040 » Mr. Chairman, it's it's just like the the thing we do on the u uh on the 265 01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:07,040 property tax in April. we pass a resolution saying this is what we intend 266 01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:11,600 to do for our property tax but and we're required to do that by a resolution but 267 01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:16,880 then later on in the year we actually do 268 01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:21,760 approve it. So this this is the same sort of idea. I mean the whole idea of 269 01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:24,960 transparency, you know, uh this is this kind of give people an idea of what 270 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:29,840 we're thinking of doing the next 5 years. Now whether we do any all all of 271 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:36,960 it or any of it, it's going to be up to four people on sitting up there. And 272 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:41,040 once the resolution is done and you get the hard copy, for those of you who want 273 01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:44,640 hard copies, if you have issues with anything that is in there, that's when 274 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:48,719 you can start talking to the administration about revising something 275 01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:54,000 that you want done, adding something else that you want done. This again, I 276 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:58,000 cannot stress enough this is not a finalization of a plan. Mr. Brazil, 277 01:15:56,719 --> 01:16:02,000 » I was just going to say for the record, I remember last year uh on the capital 278 01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:07,679 improvement plan, there was items on it that I didn't agree with and and I was 279 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:11,360 told to me, well, you voted for it on the capital improvement plan, so it's 280 01:16:09,280 --> 01:16:14,640 harder for you to, you know, they thinking that you're going to back out. 281 01:16:12,719 --> 01:16:19,040 You know, well, you supported it once, so that's why when you guys are saying 282 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:22,560 that um well, it's just a resolution doesn't really count. That will be said 283 01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:26,560 at the time we're talking about it. Well, you supported it once, so that's 284 01:16:24,719 --> 01:16:28,960 what I'm just I'm telling it was said last year. So, that's just for the 285 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:34,080 record. You know, >> to be fair though, that was a capital 286 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:38,320 improvement plan that we did approve and then the issue came up with an 287 01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:42,000 individual >> program that got done that was in the 288 01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,120 capital improvement plan. >> I'm not talking about Vegas. I'm talking 289 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:48,560 about No, that was No, that's a different 290 01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:51,040 » Okay, fair enough. Any other Yes. Yes. And if I if I can just add one more 291 01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:55,040 thing, it's important that the county council look at this uh between now and 292 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:58,800 then, but also we want to make sure the county council approves the resolution 293 01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:02,960 because the department heads need this information because their operating 294 01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:07,600 budgets, the first draft are due to the finance a week from Friday, 295 01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:12,080 which would include all the information in here. 296 01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:16,400 » Any other questions or comments? >> Thank you. 297 01:17:12,719 --> 01:17:21,239 » Sarcastic remarks. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Summer. Now, Mr. Dino, 298 01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:36,239 » this isn't a swearing in moment. It is not. 299 01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:41,679 » Okay. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the county council. My name 300 01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:45,280 is Arie C, ACOV, county public advocate. First of all, because of the 301 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:50,159 controversy, and I also was unaware that it was going to pop up on the agenda, 302 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:54,640 um, but I did find out uh today that it was on there, and I did some background 303 01:17:51,679 --> 01:18:01,760 and some research, but I'd request Councilman Brazzle and Councilman Baker 304 01:17:57,199 --> 01:18:06,480 to u or continue the public hearing uh till the next uh September meeting of 305 01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:11,360 the county council. that would give additional fairness to the public to 306 01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:17,920 weigh in, to digest, to read the proposed capital improvement plan from 307 01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:21,760 2027 to 2031. I think it's only the right thing to do in uh light of the 308 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:25,760 circumstances. This is the first time I've heard the 309 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:30,960 council actually have a few even a minute discussion about the capital 310 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:35,760 improvement uh plan. Usually it's rubber stamped and passed through whatever is 311 01:18:33,440 --> 01:18:39,360 uh presented by department of finance and the county executive. It's usually 312 01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:45,760 rubber stamped and passed through without discussion, debate, factf 313 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:50,159 finding and zero interaction on capital improvements. I think last year as 314 01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:55,440 counciloman Brazzle said the first year that there was some remote interaction 315 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:59,280 and some discussion. These are not minute dollars we're talking about. 316 01:18:57,440 --> 01:19:04,400 These are hundreds of millions of dollars and they have uh a lot of 317 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:08,880 ramifications and a lot of direction which I'll get into here in a moment. Uh 318 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:12,960 but I would like to see a workshop, a number of workshops set up with the 319 01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:17,520 county council to actually have some interaction, discussion, debate, do some 320 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:21,760 research, ask staff the in-depth questions because you have to be 321 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:25,360 accountable and responsible for every dollar spent on the project. And I'll 322 01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:30,080 tell you one project at the election authority so far has failed us and I'm 323 01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:34,880 asking that the facility department hold that contractor accountable which I'll 324 01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:40,640 get into in a moment. So the first issue that I want to bring up is fleet 325 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:46,800 management. Our county we are now 433 uh citizens and I believe that we have 326 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:51,040 roughly uh over 500 vehicles uh countywide in terms of all departments. 327 01:19:49,440 --> 01:19:55,840 It's to the point where we need to establish and build our own fleet 328 01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:59,760 management uh department which we have two personnel in the department of 329 01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:06,560 finance but we need to actually be bringing the the work inhouse under roof 330 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:13,679 like our some of our municipalities do. Uh the vehicle maintenance and repairs. 331 01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:17,840 Um we currently uh uh contract with Firestone is one that I know of for sure 332 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:20,960 cuz I see county cars sitting out of Firestones, but I'll tell you what, 333 01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:26,400 they're in the business of make money and they're making 30 to 40% of what it 334 01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:33,360 would cost us actual cost to replace tires, brakes, uh oil changes, and do 335 01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:38,640 the maintenance and the proper uh things to keep our our fleet in top shape. 336 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:42,880 So instead of paying that out uh with that additional profit, I think we need 337 01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:48,000 to have a plan to build our own fleet management facility. The city of Ofallen 338 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:53,120 will be opening up their own fleet division and uh their own standing 339 01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:58,800 division uh a building uh in a couple months. We need to keep our vehicles 340 01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:04,159 longer. And what I mean by that is they are meticulously 341 01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:08,800 maintained uh probably better than any uh citizen across our county. They are 342 01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:12,320 maintained. We have record management that tells them when the oil changes 343 01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:16,080 due. And I can tell you from talking and interacting with county employees. If 344 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:19,760 they don't get it in there on that date, fleet management is bothering or the 345 01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:24,239 fleet employees are bothering them to get it over to Firestone or to get it to 346 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:28,800 the appropriate contractor. And they have low mileage. These vehicles that 347 01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:33,840 we're selling at the family arena, uh they have very low mileage. 348 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:39,040 Transportation and planning department, uh they want a new vehicle this year. Uh 349 01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:43,199 they want $30,000 in the capital plan. And I think that that is ludicrous. 350 01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:49,280 They've never had a vehicle. Number one, uh they don't have one currently. And 351 01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:54,639 why can't we repurpose a used vehicle, a used police car or a used health car or 352 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:59,679 assessor's car with low mileage? Why can't they access the fleet uh the fleet 353 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:04,719 uh and check out a vehicle like the election authority does? Why do we have 354 01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:09,199 to go out and spend another $30,000 for another vehicle? So, I would ask that 355 01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:13,760 you ex that from the uh transportation and planning department. 356 01:22:11,679 --> 01:22:18,880 um the county corrections and holding facility uh across the street or down 357 01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:22,880 down the hill on Second Street. You know, that's a dinosaur building. That 358 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:29,600 building was outfitted and built for a population of 150,000 actually a 100,000 359 01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:34,880 uh population and we have outgrown that building. But yet this county council 360 01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:42,000 and this administration uh mainly Joanne Lyum is pushing for 156 thousand 156 361 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:46,159 million dollars to put in a dinosaur building that we could we have the land 362 01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:51,679 out on Tom Janever behind the county police and the emergency management 363 01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:56,960 agency and we could build the envy with top technology and the envy across the 364 01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:02,400 country for about 75 to $80 million a brand new facility. But we keep pumping 365 01:22:59,440 --> 01:23:07,199 this money into an old dinosaur down on Second Street that isn't even fit. And 366 01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:13,120 do we want our prison population to be in our downtown urban area of St. 367 01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:18,000 Charles City? So $156,000 over the next four years is a waste of 368 01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:22,320 money. We just floated a $50 million bond uh to pay for part of the 369 01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:28,400 renovations and I think we're just pouring it right down the drain. the 370 01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:32,719 county family arena, the cost uh of upkeep and maintenance keeps going up 371 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:38,480 and up and up. As a matter of fact, in this fiscal year, you you want to spend 372 01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:43,040 another $1.3 million. It doesn't make a profit. I I know we keep hearing from 373 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:46,960 Bob Schnear. It's his pet project. I think he wants to keep on to that 374 01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:52,159 because it gives him a consulting job at $7580 an hour when he's collecting 375 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:56,159 loggers as a retired county director of assistant or assistant county director 376 01:23:54,239 --> 01:23:59,920 of administration. Funding and upgrades and replacement of 377 01:23:58,080 --> 01:24:04,400 the county equestrian center located in Lake St. Louis. Those studies that I've 378 01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:09,679 read state that we have to come up with 33 to $35 million. 379 01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:14,960 We have not discussed that. I've not heard the county council have any 380 01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:19,600 discussion or debate of where that over $30 million is going to come from. The 381 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:23,520 Joanne and and Ryan Graham, the parks director, boy, they want to just stick 382 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,960 it right down your throat and say you're going to do it and they think they got 383 01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:30,880 it in the bag. But I've heard no discussions of fiscal financial 384 01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:35,280 management of where the money and the funds are going to come from to pay for 385 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:39,840 that funding and upgrades and or uh I'm sorry, funding for renovation of the St. 386 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:44,639 Charles City Hall. As you all know, we took ownership of the city hall, 387 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:48,480 including the parking garage. And again, those studies that I saw from St. St. 388 01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:52,800 Charles City of why they're abandoning that building and building a new city 389 01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:58,719 hall is it's going to take 30 to $35 million to retrofit and renovate that 390 01:24:55,679 --> 01:25:03,360 building. And so, again, we've had no discussions. All I've heard is Joanne 391 01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:06,880 like tell the courts people that we bought the building and don't worry 392 01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:10,159 about the money. We'll find the money. But I haven't heard it. You're the ones 393 01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:14,639 who are accountable for fiscal responsibility and fidiciary uh 394 01:25:12,639 --> 01:25:20,480 accountability. And I haven't heard a debate here before the county council. 395 01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:24,560 Uh the construction of the western animal control facility in western St. 396 01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:28,880 Charles County and I believe it's going to be in Lake St. Louis at the 397 01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:33,760 equestrian park. Uh from the figures that I've seen that the the county's 398 01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:38,719 needs and and wants, it's going to be5 to 7 million. And I think I heard our 399 01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:45,199 director of finance uh state that it's going to cost uh $6 million to build 400 01:25:41,440 --> 01:25:49,679 that uh shelter. Again, I've heard no one not one ounce of iota of where the 401 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:53,600 funds are coming from because guess what? The people behind me and our 402 01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:57,440 citizens are sick and tired of tax increases and we don't want another tax 403 01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:01,679 increase, another burden on our shoulders. Building and opening up of 404 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,520 the park in the city of St. Paul on Hackman Road. We've owned that property 405 01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:11,520 for I'm gonna say 15 years now uh from Babe 406 01:26:09,199 --> 01:26:15,440 Hackman. When are we ever going to open up that park to the public? It's a 407 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:19,600 beautiful piece of property. It's got a lake on it. Uh, I believe there's not 408 01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:24,080 much that needs to be done to open it up, but yet it's sitting there in 409 01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:28,159 reserve, not being open to the public because Babe Hatton, as part of her will 410 01:26:26,480 --> 01:26:32,639 said to the county that she wanted that to be a public park, and you are not 411 01:26:30,400 --> 01:26:36,960 honoring her wishes when you took on that responsibility of that park. Why 412 01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:42,000 Ryan Graham and the parks board is sitting on that property, it needs to be 413 01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:45,360 discussed. And I ask that you finish the other half 414 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:49,360 of the parking lot improvements of our county election authority facility off 415 01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:52,880 of Missouri 79. I ask that you correct the flooding 416 01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:58,960 issue, which the flooding issue has flooded now 34 of the handicap 417 01:26:55,440 --> 01:27:04,080 accessible parking spots with unresolved contract obligations that still are not 418 01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:07,600 done by the current contractor. You know, I asked Steve Elman and Steve 419 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:11,679 Elman worked out with the county uh counselor because county counselor gave 420 01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:15,840 me a hard time about seeing the plan to that parking facility cuz I worked it 421 01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:19,120 with the presidential election trying to get people as fast through the the 422 01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:24,400 process [clears throat] as we could and park them. And not once did county 423 01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:28,320 facilities contact the employees of the election authority and ask what would 424 01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:32,639 work and what doesn't work. I've asked to see those plans. I've been to 425 01:27:29,679 --> 01:27:36,480 Christine's office at least twice asking to see those plans and they still 426 01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:40,639 haven't gotten back to me when I can come and see the plans. So, if somebody 427 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:46,480 can make that happen, I'd love to see that uh uh go to fruition. 428 01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:51,920 Councilman Baker brought up flood water, surface water control, M4 guidelines at 429 01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:56,800 the state and county level requirements, catch basins, erosion control, and 430 01:27:54,239 --> 01:28:02,080 neighborhood mitigation. We have uh in our county six watersheds 431 01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:07,199 that crisscross and go into several municipalities and villages in 432 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:13,520 unincorporated neighborhoods. We need to look and present this project as a 433 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:20,080 countywide issue. You know, we need to either form some type of uh um uh board 434 01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:22,880 or commission to look into these issues. We need to stop flooding our 435 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:28,320 neighborhoods. We need to look at development and responsible growth in 436 01:28:25,440 --> 01:28:33,360 our county from west, east, south, and north. Water is a real big issue here. 437 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:37,760 We need to address this issue from a regional and a county perspective 438 01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:42,480 because we are being surrounded. We are surrounded by the Missouri River, the 439 01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:46,800 Mississippi River, and the Quiver River. And so, uh, we really need to look at 440 01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:50,800 each watershed. We shouldn't be looking at it from municipality by municipality, 441 01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:55,280 which some of them have a half cent sales tax, directing it towards those 442 01:28:53,199 --> 01:29:00,480 issues. We need to look at it as a regional county issue. And I think 443 01:28:57,440 --> 01:29:04,000 citizens are tired of it being put on the back burner after the back burner, 444 01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:08,080 year after year after year, because guess what? It's getting worse and 445 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:13,920 worse. St. Charles City hit a 1,000-year flood for the last three times this 446 01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:18,960 summer in June and July. And one house flooded two or three times. The same 447 01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:24,000 house in a neighborhood in St. Charles. If you look at the footage on TV with 448 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:28,880 the news media, there were cars where the water was all the way up to their 449 01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:33,840 doors. We have to solve our flood issue and our flood mitigation issues and have 450 01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:39,920 better retention and detention uh structures and capital improvements and 451 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:45,760 comply with the M4 regulations. County road projects, you know, it 452 01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:50,960 depends on who you are, what your political muscle is, what type of power 453 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:55,440 you have or access to cover to county government is how you get funded through 454 01:29:52,800 --> 01:30:00,239 the county roadboard. I'm opposed to funding and paying for private roads for 455 01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:06,159 mercy complexes in both the city of Wville and the city of Ofallen which 456 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:12,239 will cost approximately $3.5 million in each entity. We should not be paying for 457 01:30:09,199 --> 01:30:17,920 a private hospital that makes hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of profits 458 01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:22,239 and is a 401c3 designated uh not for-profit 459 01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:28,400 corporation. They have to spend down certain funds to be in compliance with 460 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:33,360 federal uh uh federal treasury or revenue codes and they can't keep a lot 461 01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:36,560 of assets. So, they have the money to build these roads on their own 462 01:30:34,480 --> 01:30:40,880 initiative. But no, they're crying poor to county government and to the county 463 01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:44,880 roadboard uh road board. And I'm asking when it comes to this county council 464 01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:49,679 that you defeat each one of those projects in the city of Ofallen and the 465 01:30:47,199 --> 01:30:54,159 city of Wville and tell Mercy that they have the hundreds of millions of dollars 466 01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:58,920 in their coffers to pay for that $3.35 million road on their own initiative. 467 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:06,800 Springbend Park phase one uh I and I know Councilman Baker uh started the 468 01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:12,560 initiative. I'm backing and supporting him 100%. It's about public safety and 469 01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:18,159 keeping families off the roadways. There was a presentation made last week which 470 01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:24,560 I uh was at the county road board asking for a sidewalk and a multi-use uh path 471 01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:28,320 and I guess there was resistance at that county roadboard and I'm not so sure 472 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:33,760 it's going to get passed. And I would ask and challenge Councilman Baker to to 473 01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:37,840 with every threshold of his being to stand his ground, dig his feet into the 474 01:31:36,168 --> 01:31:42,560 [snorts] sand, and ask that that puts gets put into the capital improvement 475 01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:47,679 plan this year. I didn't see Ryan Graham at that meeting, but I did see the 476 01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:51,199 county uh engineer at that meeting and I don't think he's really thrilled about 477 01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:56,560 doing that project. It's about the safety of our residents and our families 478 01:31:53,440 --> 01:32:01,440 to be off of the streets walking to this major uh park that we're getting ready 479 01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:05,120 to open up and it's pending before the county road and I would ask that we get 480 01:32:03,679 --> 01:32:08,400 that into the capital improvement project. 481 01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:11,520 » Mr. Dino, I appreciate you walking us through every item there, but we've got 482 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:16,560 a lot of people who want to speak tonight. Can you get to the end of it, 483 01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:19,520 please? I'm just trying to be considerate of everyone else who's 484 01:32:18,080 --> 01:32:24,320 standing behind. I understand I'm coming to that point. Thank you. So, just to 485 01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:29,000 sum it up, our building upgrades for just 2027 is $13,315,000. 486 01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:35,120 Our road and bridge construction is $40,400,000. 487 01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:39,760 And so, I'm not sure what the definition is. If finance could more uh put those 488 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:45,040 parameters out between now and the next two weeks, classification summarized by 489 01:32:42,480 --> 01:32:49,600 year. What is that classification? What exactly does that word mean in 490 01:32:46,960 --> 01:32:52,880 terms of our capital improvement plan? Funding source summarized by year and 491 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:58,000 I'm just going through the highlights. Mr. Chairman, capital projects are going 492 01:32:55,040 --> 01:33:07,400 to be $4,341,000. The family arenas is uh $1,227,000. 493 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:07,400 Park use tax is $32,452,000. 494 01:33:07,600 --> 01:33:12,440 And transportation and planning is $40,230,000. 495 01:33:13,440 --> 01:33:19,760 And finally, I just want to re reiterate what I stated that I would ask 496 01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:24,400 Councilman Baker or Councilman Brazzle to please continue the public hearing to 497 01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:28,320 allow citizens to weigh in between now and the next meeting and that you 498 01:33:26,159 --> 01:33:32,400 schedule a workshop session to talk about in depth about these issues 499 01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:37,440 because you're well paid a public salary, pension, and expenses. And I 500 01:33:35,280 --> 01:33:41,199 think that the public deserves to hear the debate of these hundreds of millions 501 01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:45,040 of dollars worth of projects that we're getting ready to spend over the next 502 01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:46,560 four years. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Next week, 503 01:33:45,360 --> 01:33:49,840 » that's the only [applause] speaker card I got. I don't know if there's anyone 504 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:53,040 else. >> Anyone else to speak in the public 505 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:58,560 hearing? Seeing none, that will close the public 506 01:33:54,960 --> 01:34:02,400 hearing for the uh capital program and strategic plan. Uh with that, I would 507 01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:07,280 entertain a motion. Yeah, I'd like to make a motion to move the oral report 508 01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:10,080 from the county executive off in front of public comments. Do I have a second 509 01:34:09,679 --> 01:34:14,239 there? >> Have a motion. Do I have a second? 510 01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:16,159 Second. All those in favor say I. >> Any opposed? 511 01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:20,320 » Okay. >> Mr. County Executive 512 01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:25,679 M. >> Sir, we 513 01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:28,000 just public comment still happening. We didn't Yeah, we just switched. 514 01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:31,679 » It didn't go away. >> Yeah, we just switched it. 515 01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:35,120 » We just flipped them. You're all good. I know you've been waiting patiently. I 516 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:38,719 appreciate that. >> Two years. 517 01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:43,679 » Yeah, Mr. Executive. >> I'd like to um 518 01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:49,840 ask the uh chief of police to go ahead and uh give the report for me tonight. 519 01:34:47,679 --> 01:34:52,639 » Chief Chief FZ, >> he's coming. And 520 01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:56,880 » I think he's brought some other folks with him as well if they'd like to be 521 01:34:54,800 --> 01:35:00,440 available. It's up to him. 522 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:04,960 So, what what I wanted to bring your attention, I know you saw it in the 523 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:08,960 media [clears throat] several weeks ago, just a few weeks ago, uh during an audit 524 01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:14,719 of the license plate reader system, we found a uh an employee, one of our users 525 01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:18,320 that had uh unusual amount of uh inquiries into the license plate reader 526 01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:22,560 system. So we immediat when it was brought to my attention we immediately 527 01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:27,360 took u uh initiated internal affairs investigation uh suspended that user's 528 01:35:25,040 --> 01:35:31,760 access to the system and as well as all the other databases that she had access 529 01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:35,120 to until we completed our investigation. Um immediately it placed that employee 530 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:39,520 on unpaid leave of absence while the investigation played out. Um 531 01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:43,120 simultaneous to that we I initiated a criminal investigation. and I outsourced 532 01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:47,920 that to another agency. So there was a outside look and transparent look at it 533 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:54,239 and that investigation continues today. Uh subsequently to that the employee 534 01:35:50,239 --> 01:35:56,960 opted to resign. Uh so I think the message is here and that'll be presented 535 01:35:55,920 --> 01:36:00,800 that case will be presented to prosecuting attorneys at some point in 536 01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:04,320 time uh in the next few weeks. Uh I think the message is uh with all the 537 01:36:02,639 --> 01:36:08,800 news around license plate reader systems is the system worked. Uh we conducted an 538 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:12,880 audit. We we found uh something that didn't look right. We dug into it. We 539 01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:17,440 took immediate action. So, uh, we also did a more comprehensive audit into all 540 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:22,239 of our users and found no other unauthorized inquiries into the system. 541 01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,080 » Happy to answer any questions. >> Any question? 542 01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:29,280 » All the flock cameras have been cancelled and you guys bagged them all. 543 01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:33,360 » Yeah, the 29 flock cameras we had have been uh the legal council has sent 544 01:36:31,679 --> 01:36:37,679 notice to flock that we're discontinuing that and uh those were bags were placed 545 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:42,880 over those cameras. And you pointed out there's 125 private flock cameras in St. 546 01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:46,719 Charles County. >> Yeah, there's uh the fusion folks 547 01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:52,800 advisor there are fusion folks the Rick folks advis there's about 125 over 200 548 01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:58,800 flocks camera systems in the county still municipal and private and 125 of 549 01:36:56,159 --> 01:37:01,119 those or so are privately owned >> which you have no control over the 550 01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:05,119 county. >> No, we have no control of that. No 551 01:37:03,119 --> 01:37:09,360 » no [clears throat] >> any other question Mr. Yeah, Chief, how 552 01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:12,480 are you going to uh assure the the the residents of St. Charles County that 553 01:37:11,199 --> 01:37:15,360 something like this isn't going to happen again? 554 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:17,840 » Well, so, uh, prior to all this happening, we were already in the 555 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:22,639 process of reviewing and editing, updating our audit, uh, policies and 556 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:27,119 procedures for all of our, uh, criminal justice data systems to include license 557 01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:31,920 plate readers. Uh, so all this kind of happened at the same time, but um, I 558 01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:35,280 think this proved that it works. And while you always hope to be able to head 559 01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:39,679 off a problem, I think the earlier you can identify the problem and eliminate 560 01:37:37,360 --> 01:37:45,600 it uh the better. So while we were able to do that in this case after uh many 561 01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:48,320 many uh unauthorized inquiries were made into the system, we would have liked to 562 01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,920 caught it sooner and I think in the future with our our updated practices uh 563 01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:56,080 I think we'll be able to do that. And I think u I said really my message is that 564 01:37:54,639 --> 01:37:59,760 uh we held ourselves accountable in this case. uh we brought it out to the to the 565 01:37:58,080 --> 01:38:03,600 public to the media uh to let them know that hey we we found this despite all 566 01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:06,159 the bad news out there we found it uh we hold ourselves accountable and we'll 567 01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:09,600 continue to do that >> and the difference between the Genex is 568 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:13,360 that what you call them >> genetex 569 01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:16,880 you're owned by the county resident >> yeah we have Genitech license plate 570 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:21,040 readers and uh they are owned the camera is owned by the county the data is on 571 01:38:18,880 --> 01:38:27,119 our server in our cloud uh there's no third party vendor involved in that 572 01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:31,360 » and chief you might also So explain that there's um a a control on the front end 573 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:35,760 when somebody asks for data. >> Yeah. So we've really restricted a 574 01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:40,400 number of uh users uh in the county to just the investigative elements of the 575 01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:43,040 police department and uh the the Rick as I call it the regional information 576 01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:46,080 intelligence center which were partners with the St. Louis County. It's a 577 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:50,239 real-time crime center. When they need to look up historical data uh they have 578 01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:53,679 to call the Rick and they have to give the justification the reason why they 579 01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,480 need this this information. uh there's either going to be a report number or 580 01:38:55,040 --> 01:39:00,400 case number or something associated with that. So that gets logged in so that 581 01:38:58,800 --> 01:39:03,679 right away there's two people talking. There's one asking questions, there's 582 01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:07,679 one justifying before the information is even provided and that's to our 583 01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:13,280 detectives and investigators. >> Any other questions? 584 01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:17,440 » Yes, sir. >> Mr. Executive. 585 01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:22,400 » Yeah. Uh, Chief, uh, one other thing, the the cameras that we now have, 586 01:39:20,320 --> 01:39:27,280 including the the flock cameras we got rid of, they they were all on rightway. 587 01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:30,320 They were not on anybody's public anybody's private property. 588 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:33,679 » The existing license plate readers that we have with the Genitech brand are all 589 01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:37,840 on public rideway. >> They're all on public rideway. They're 590 01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:43,199 not on private property. But there are other private individuals can have these 591 01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:46,560 cameras, but we have no control. HOAs, a lot of the retail stores, you'll see uh 592 01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:50,560 you'll see license plate readers there, mostly flocks. Uh that's what the HOAs 593 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:54,639 get. That's what most of the retail shops get. 594 01:39:51,679 --> 01:39:58,080 » So So it would be up to them if they want to get rid of those. It would be up 595 01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:02,800 to other cities if they want to get rid of their flock cameras, but we've gotten 596 01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:06,000 rid of the 29 that we controlled. >> Correct. 597 01:40:03,440 --> 01:40:09,679 » Okay. Thank you. >> Any other? 598 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:13,679 » Seeing none. Thank you, Chief. We appreciate it. Anything else? 599 01:40:12,480 --> 01:40:18,000 » No, sir. >> Uh, with that, that'll wrap up our oral 600 01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:22,480 report from the county executive. We'll go back to public [clears throat] 601 01:40:19,199 --> 01:40:28,400 comments. So, public comments uh tonight are 3 minutes each. Uh, the camera is in 602 01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:32,800 the camera. Gee, the uh clock is in front of Mr. Swanson there. Um, that 603 01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:38,320 will countdown when it gets to zero. I will thank you for speaking and we will 604 01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:42,960 move on to the next speaker. Normally we do three, four, three against on an 605 01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:46,000 issue, but I understand tonight um the issue that we just talked about has got 606 01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:50,000 a lot of attention. So we're going to allow more speakers tonight just to 607 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:54,159 allow everybody the opportunity to speak. So our first speaker is 608 01:40:51,840 --> 01:41:00,199 » is Larry Rice regarding the pet adoption facility fund. 609 01:40:56,480 --> 01:41:00,199 » Welcome Reverend Rice. 610 01:41:01,679 --> 01:41:08,080 » Thank you for this uh opportunity. I believe that the time has come that 611 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:11,840 perhaps the council will benefit by getting to know some of our growing 612 01:41:09,600 --> 01:41:15,520 numbers of homeless individuals in St. Louis County which actually we've see 613 01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:20,080 that the number have tripled within the last 3 years. The reason I bring that up 614 01:41:18,080 --> 01:41:23,119 is because we do have one pet adoption center. Now we're spending money for a 615 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:26,560 second pet adoption center and we don't have a single shelter for human beings. 616 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:30,239 And what we're looking for is equal protection under the law for the human 617 01:41:28,400 --> 01:41:34,320 beings getting the same consideration that the dogs do. What I have tonight 618 01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:37,840 with me is an individual that had no other place to go. He was in St. Peters, 619 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:41,760 Missouri. He's going to speak to you just for a few minutes to help 620 01:41:39,679 --> 01:41:45,280 personalize some of the issues that growing numbers of individuals in St. 621 01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:48,719 Louis County are facing. And that is homelessness. There's some 9,000 622 01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:53,360 individuals in this county that are one paycheck away from being homeless. The 623 01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:56,960 number continues to grow each day. Often people don't consider those who are 624 01:41:55,280 --> 01:42:01,679 without a house until they find themselves in a similar situation. We're 625 01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:06,000 seeing those numbers grow rapidly each day. Many of those that we now have in 626 01:42:03,679 --> 01:42:09,360 St. Louis have come from St. Charles County. Uh some of that is described 627 01:42:07,920 --> 01:42:12,239 here about the growing numbers of people that are [clears throat] homeless. Our 628 01:42:10,159 --> 01:42:16,800 newspaper that has been made available to you. We have outreach teams that go 629 01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:22,000 throughout the city finding many of these anywhere from uh as these unhoused 630 01:42:20,239 --> 01:42:25,840 individuals that they deal with come from all over the region and 631 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:28,960 homelessness is a regional issue. But I believe that St. Louis County has I mean 632 01:42:27,760 --> 01:42:32,719 St. Charles County has some unprecedented opportunities to make a 633 01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:38,639 big difference. For example, at the intersection of Highway 40 and 70, 634 01:42:35,440 --> 01:42:42,000 there's actually a 240 bed nursing home that uh is has been on the market for a 635 01:42:40,400 --> 01:42:47,040 number of years that Mayor Nick of Winssville introduced us to. And also um 636 01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:51,040 we will prepare the architectural plans for an 80 bed shelter with no cost to 637 01:42:49,600 --> 01:42:54,639 the county and try to present that to you in future meetings. But I believe 638 01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:58,639 it's absolutely essential that we take into consideration our fellow human 639 01:42:56,320 --> 01:43:01,760 beings hurting at this particular time. When we only see them on street corners 640 01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:05,840 or we only see them out there in an impersonal way, it's easy for us to 641 01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:09,520 develop negative conclusions about these individuals. Homeless are some of the 642 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:12,960 most discriminated group of individuals in our country today. Often people will 643 01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:16,560 think of them as drug addicts, alcoholics. There are some of that that 644 01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:21,360 have fallen in the ranks of that, but many are women, children, men that have 645 01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:26,080 lost their jobs, and quite a few numbers of individuals with mental uh issues 646 01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:29,840 that we continue to see the state cut back its mental health programs. And so, 647 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:34,400 as a result, individuals are struggling at this particular time. And again, I'd 648 01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:38,320 like to have you in a few minutes hear from one of those individuals. And we 649 01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:42,880 hope to continue to share with you as you explore the provisions for the 650 01:43:40,639 --> 01:43:47,440 future of St. Charles County to please include the unhoused. It's absolutely 651 01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:51,119 essential that the unhoused citizens of St. Charles County have a shelter. 652 01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:54,320 There's no shelter at all in this community. The animals have one now. 653 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:57,119 They're going to get a second one. I'm pleading with you to please consider the 654 01:43:55,840 --> 01:44:01,639 human beings. >> Thank you, sir. 655 01:43:58,239 --> 01:44:01,639 » Brandon Smith. 656 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:06,862 » Brandon Smith. [clears throat] 657 01:44:08,400 --> 01:44:15,679 » My name is Brandon Smith. I was working a full-time job and living with my dad 658 01:44:12,719 --> 01:44:18,560 in St. Peters. I was fired from my job because of my mental illness. And a few 659 01:44:17,199 --> 01:44:22,560 days later, my dad had to be hospitalized and then put in a nursing 660 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:27,199 home. I couldn't afford the rent and soon found myself homeless. It was 661 01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:31,280 awful. I found myself begging from fast food places and ended up getting 662 01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:35,280 trespassed from a few of them. I was so desperate, I stole food from a 7-Eleven 663 01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:40,239 and ended up getting a stealing charge. I slept under pavilions and unparked 664 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:45,040 benches. The police were constantly telling me to move. I finally ended up 665 01:44:42,639 --> 01:44:48,239 in a crisis center in Wsville. The best they could do is drop me off at a men's 666 01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:52,480 shelter in St. Louis that was already full. I ended up following a homeless 667 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:57,360 man back to his tent community where I stayed for a few days. And that's where 668 01:44:54,800 --> 01:45:00,800 I had to hang out. And one day in St. Louis, I went to a McDonald's to get 669 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:06,239 some shelter from the rain. I ended up getting mugged there and put in a 670 01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:11,280 hospital. And thankfully my mom showed up and uh told me about the program, the 671 01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:14,719 New Life Evangelistic Center program, and that saved my life. Gave me food, 672 01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:18,719 sheltered, helped me with my medication, and helped me get to court. I thank God 673 01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:23,840 every day for such a wonderful program. If St. Charles County had a shelter for 674 01:45:21,679 --> 01:45:28,239 humans, and not only for dogs, I would not have ended up in St. Louis. I'm 675 01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:32,400 asking you for the sake of hundreds who still remain homeless in St. Charles 676 01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:35,040 County to please recognize our needs and open a shelter for homeless human 677 01:45:33,920 --> 01:45:37,907 beings. >> Thank you, sir. [applause] 678 01:45:40,320 --> 01:45:45,639 » Jake Jackson regarding flock cameras. 679 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:53,440 Good evening, members of the council. Uh, tonight I'm here to once again speak 680 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:56,880 about the issue of flock cameras. The last time I spoke before you on this 681 01:45:54,880 --> 01:46:01,280 issue was back in May. And since then, the public outcry against these cameras 682 01:45:58,560 --> 01:46:04,800 has grown undeniably exponentially. When I spoke, I talked about how such a 683 01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:08,400 surveillance system could be misused. And now, just this month, our worst 684 01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:12,480 fears have been realized. This month, the chief of police discovered that a 685 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:16,560 civilian employee uh made unpermitted searches of the flock surveillance data. 686 01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:19,600 Since then, the chief has dis discontinued the use of the county's 687 01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:24,000 flock hammers and has terminated the employee. I'd like to commend how the 688 01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,600 chief responded to the situation and I support his decision to discontinue the 689 01:46:25,760 --> 01:46:31,119 flock cameras. As a constitutional conservative, this 690 01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:34,400 is exactly why I believe that we have a constitution in the first place. Our 691 01:46:32,960 --> 01:46:38,320 founders recognize that if you don't put handcuffs on government, flawed human 692 01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:42,560 beings will always resort to testing limits of power to their own ends at the 693 01:46:40,159 --> 01:46:46,159 expense of others. We were told by the county, quote, "We control the system 694 01:46:44,880 --> 01:46:49,360 and we were assured that there were safeguards in place, but the breach 695 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:52,719 happened anyways." That's why I've always supported a complete ban on 696 01:46:51,280 --> 01:46:56,159 government using these kinds of cameras in the first place that could track and 697 01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:59,600 log the movements of law-abiding citizens. And I do not believe that 698 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:03,679 implementing quote common sense safeguards is the answer. 699 01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:07,360 Government simply should not have access to such a powerful tool that allows us 700 01:47:05,280 --> 01:47:12,320 to surveil, track, or log the movements of law-abiding citizens. Pure and 701 01:47:09,600 --> 01:47:16,400 simple. Citizens can't possibly consent to it. I don't consent to it. It's been 702 01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:19,600 reaffirmed through numerous Supreme Court cases, including a new case over 703 01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:23,199 the summer since I last spoke, Chhatri versus United States, where the Supreme 704 01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:27,040 Court ruled that accessing the location history of a citizen through a third 705 01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:31,600 party constitutes a fourth amendment search and therefore requires a warrant. 706 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:35,679 That's why I've drafted a bill that would uh prohibit government from using 707 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:40,080 cameras capable of identifying, logging, or tracking the movements of law-abiding 708 01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:44,480 citizens. And since my last speech, I've gathered 1300 online signatures and I 709 01:47:42,239 --> 01:47:48,080 have in my hand right here the physical signatures of 300 legal adult residents 710 01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:52,159 of St. Charles County and support of prohibiting government use of flock 711 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:56,639 cameras. And I'm also proud to have the support and signature of Congressman Bob 712 01:47:53,840 --> 01:47:59,760 Bonder as well. This isn't about banning a brand. It's about prohibiting 713 01:47:58,400 --> 01:48:03,520 government from using sophisticated cameras that could track citizens. 714 01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:07,600 Privacy is a concern, but privacy is a pretty broad issue. The issue here is 715 01:48:05,520 --> 01:48:10,800 government uh capturing citizen location history and passively storing that 716 01:48:09,440 --> 01:48:14,960 information in a database without consent or even a warrant. Now is the 717 01:48:12,960 --> 01:48:18,639 time to restore public trust by abolishing the use of these kinds of 718 01:48:16,719 --> 01:48:22,320 cameras. We can keep our communities safe without violating their god-given 719 01:48:20,239 --> 01:48:26,000 rights. Mass surveillance does not make St. Charles a great place to live. Stand 720 01:48:24,719 --> 01:48:30,960 with your constituents in the Constitution and get rid of these 721 01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:34,760 cameras now. Get rid of them now. Thank you. Thank you. [applause] 722 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:40,440 Paul Paul Cruz. 723 01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:53,600 Well, thank you for letting us speak. I have a homeless ministry 724 01:48:51,735 --> 01:48:59,679 [clears throat] in West St. Charles County around Wville and Fallon and Lake 725 01:48:56,560 --> 01:49:06,880 St. Louis for about 21 years. I'm here with Larry Rice. Uh, I get 15 to 30 726 01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:12,400 calls for help from the homeless every day, even on weekends. So, I'm here to 727 01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:16,199 tell you that that there is a bad problem with the homeless. 728 01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:26,239 We have We're like the uh first responders and safety net for the 729 01:49:21,199 --> 01:49:32,080 homeless. We're the only agency that has an emergency shelter for the homeless. 730 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:37,199 I mean, all these other agencies, they don't have emergency shelters, but 731 01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:41,360 we use motel rooms for emergency shelters because there's unlimited 732 01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:46,400 supply of motel rooms. They're just expensive. 733 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:51,840 We we have to pay $65 a night or $400 a week uh to put homeless in there. And 734 01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:58,000 sometimes we get two people, sometimes they get we had a family with nine kids, 735 01:49:56,320 --> 01:50:02,000 11 people had to buy for I had to buy two rooms for that family. We helped 736 01:50:01,166 --> 01:50:05,480 [clears throat] them. They finally got to their own place. 737 01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:13,520 But just to give you an example of the misery and the terrible situations, I 738 01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:18,960 got a call from a lady. She said uh her husband just beat her up. 739 01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:24,840 She has three kids in her car. They were crying. 740 01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,840 She was crying. 741 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:30,320 And I had no idea what was going to happen. But I told her, I said, "Just go 742 01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:33,600 to the motel and we'll get you stabilized. We try to stabilize them 743 01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:37,920 with food, clothes, little transportation, cell phones, and we'll 744 01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:42,800 we'll try to figure something out." So I called a abused woman's shelter, and 745 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:48,880 they just had one lady move out, so she was able to move in. was a huge fine. I 746 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:53,920 mean, unbelievable situations and we're just drowning and homeless. There's 750 747 01:50:51,600 --> 01:50:58,880 homeless people walking around in these three counties right now on the street. 748 01:50:57,280 --> 01:51:04,080 Can you just imagine sleeping out outside in the woods on a rock on the 749 01:51:01,920 --> 01:51:09,199 ground? You have a rock for a pillow, no food, nobody to help you. I mean, it's 750 01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:12,639 awful. And Larry's trying to get something going with some buildings and 751 01:51:10,560 --> 01:51:18,560 some beds for these people because we just can't afford our car our calls will 752 01:51:15,040 --> 01:51:22,320 double or have doubled and in the last few months. I don't know what's 753 01:51:20,239 --> 01:51:26,400 happening but uh we just we just can't afford to help all these people and 754 01:51:24,639 --> 01:51:32,880 we're trying [clears throat] and we just somehow we need help with more rooms and 755 01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:37,320 uh just more people to help also. Thank you and God bless. 756 01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,320 » Thank you. 757 01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:42,360 Jonathan Hansel. 758 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:59,840 The government on every level, federal, state, and local, has the duty to 759 01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:06,719 protect the rights of citizens and primarily today the right to privacy. 760 01:52:03,920 --> 01:52:11,679 I've never interacted with my local government before other than voting and 761 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:15,560 paying taxes, of course. Um, that's how important this is to me. 762 01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:25,440 I think we don't install a camera to watch everyone everywhere and then 763 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:32,239 demand that it has reasonable safeguards. 764 01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:37,679 On my commute uh from my house to here, I'm tracked by no less than 11 flock 765 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:42,960 cameras. I don't think my commute needs three times the number of cameras that 766 01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:49,040 are in this room. That's that's primarily what I wanted to 767 01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:55,840 talk about. But u I also wanted to echo Larry Rice's call for uh a homeless 768 01:52:52,400 --> 01:53:01,840 shelter. Uh Larry Rice's ministry actually saved my sister's life. Uh he 769 01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:07,520 doesn't know. I haven't told him yet, but on multiple occasions, he saved my 770 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:12,000 sister's life. And I'd like to see lives saved here in this 771 01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:16,413 county, too. Thank you. >> Thank you, 772 01:53:14,393 --> 01:53:16,413 [applause] 773 01:53:17,440 --> 01:53:20,840 » Brian Kramer. 774 01:53:27,280 --> 01:53:32,800 Good evening everybody. Um, just for clarification, this is my first time 775 01:53:30,880 --> 01:53:36,480 talking in form a group and I'm shouting out to Smok and Scan for teaching me how 776 01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:41,599 to interact with the county. Uh, appreciate the sheriff over there and 777 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:47,040 your transparency is very good. Uh, Patty, your district is St. Charles, 778 01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:48,080 correct? Particularly McNair Park. Is that correct? 779 01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:53,440 » Part of it. >> And Terry, yours is St. Peters. Um, 780 01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:57,840 Shatter Creek Drive. Okay, great. Just so everybody knows where we're at. So, 781 01:53:55,658 --> 01:54:03,920 [snorts] I have a lot of issues going on. And my biggest 782 01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:09,119 ask is to ban all AI recording surveillance in St. Charles County. This 783 01:54:06,320 --> 01:54:12,800 is the board that can do that. Like you said, you shut it down. That's great. I 784 01:54:10,719 --> 01:54:18,320 had to pass five cameras to get here that are not covered. So, I'm still in 785 01:54:15,199 --> 01:54:23,199 the system. Why that's a problem for me is I agree with Bernie Sanders right now 786 01:54:20,639 --> 01:54:26,960 and his views on totalitarianism. You can read his comments that he made 787 01:54:24,719 --> 01:54:30,560 about flock cameras, but please do not be 788 01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:35,199 fooled by its flock. It's not flock. There are a dozen of these companies. 789 01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:37,840 Axen, the what was the one with the G? Um, 790 01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:41,440 » yes, exactly. There are a lot of these out there. So, I'm not going to cover 791 01:54:40,239 --> 01:54:46,719 everybody because I got what a minute 47. Patty, my research shows that you 792 01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:53,520 guys have a data center that has launched off, according to what we can 793 01:54:49,199 --> 01:54:58,560 know, 78 Oh, no, I'm sorry, not 78. 72 requests which come from Thornton, 794 01:54:55,360 --> 01:55:02,719 Colorado, Saratoga, Buffalo, New York, uh, Craraven County, North Carolina, 795 01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:08,400 Savannah, Georgia. That's just some of them. Unfortunately, Terry, yours is way 796 01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:12,639 worse right now. 78 requests, 71 of them have been from out of state that we know 797 01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:17,920 of. Please look this information up. This isn't a local issue. This is an 798 01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:22,080 issue that affects all of us. So I beg of you, please, for my children, for 799 01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:27,679 your children, for everybody who feels uncomfortable, please, please, please 800 01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:33,760 set some kind of county standard to protect our citizens. I appreciate all 801 01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:41,440 of you and I respect all of you, but you are our voice and I need your voice for 802 01:55:36,480 --> 01:55:41,440 my kids. Please, thank you all. 803 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,719 Brandon Dhy. 804 01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:58,719 Good evening, council. Thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. Uh my name 805 01:55:56,719 --> 01:56:01,920 is Brandon Dy. I live right off of Brian Road in Ofallen. And I'm here tonight to 806 01:56:00,320 --> 01:56:05,119 relay a message from a lot of folks out that way who don't want to be surveiled 807 01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:07,440 every time they leave their house. It's not that we're doing something wrong. 808 01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:10,800 It's just that it's none of your business where my family goes when we 809 01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:13,679 leave our house. We as citizens have heard all the arguments that were 810 01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:16,880 already being tracked on our phones and inside stores, this and that. And sure, 811 01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:20,400 some of that might be true, but those are choices that we make. What we didn't 812 01:56:18,719 --> 01:56:23,840 sign up for was our whereabouts to be shared with the government every time we 813 01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:27,119 leave the house with the police having a pattern of my way of living saved on a 814 01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:30,239 server without a warrant. They'll say, "But Brandon, if you're not doing 815 01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:32,320 anything wrong, what's to worry about? If you're not if you're not doing 816 01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:35,679 anything wrong, you should have nothing to hide." Well, I'm old enough to 817 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:39,119 remember 6 years ago in 2020 when going to a park, an entity owned by the 818 01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:42,239 taxpayers, was a crime. When gathering indoors for a church service, was a 819 01:56:40,639 --> 01:56:46,000 crime and having a funeral for a loved one was a crime. So, yeah, right now I 820 01:56:44,080 --> 01:56:49,760 might not be doing doing anything wrong, but what's right and wrong can change 821 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:53,360 with who's in office. So, forgive me for not wanting the system in place in in 822 01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:57,199 case we decide that simply living our lives is a crime. Again, when creating 823 01:56:55,599 --> 01:57:01,520 government power, the question isn't what should this be used for, it's 824 01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:04,320 what's the worst it could be used for. And like we've seen right now, we 825 01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:08,239 already have certain abuses that have caused cameras within the county to be 826 01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:11,760 bagged. And I'm not saying that these cameras have never helped solve any 827 01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:15,360 crime, but there's no evidence to show that they really help lower crime rates. 828 01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:19,040 And even a study done in St. Louis that shows that there was no decrease in 829 01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:22,719 crime from having these cameras in place. I'm saying that these cameras are 830 01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:26,719 an inherent danger to Liberty and that this council ought to be proactive in 831 01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:30,480 protecting its citizens uh and review the contract with Flock under the lens 832 01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:34,400 of privacy and protection when considering future ALPR systems. And to 833 01:57:32,960 --> 01:57:39,016 think that these cameras could never be used for nefarious purposes means you 834 01:57:36,639 --> 01:57:41,036 need a history lesson. Thank you, [applause] 835 01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:47,000 » Corey Shers. 836 01:57:51,840 --> 01:57:57,760 Well, good evening everybody. I'm here to beat a dead horse as well. The the 837 01:57:55,760 --> 01:58:01,199 idea of technology and surveillance, I think of the Benjamin Franklin thing. 838 01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:05,040 Those, you know, who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither. So to me, 839 01:58:03,520 --> 01:58:08,239 when you do a flock camera, when I leave my house, you put me in a fishbowl. And 840 01:58:06,719 --> 01:58:11,199 I didn't ask for that. When you said about the cell phone technology that 841 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:14,239 might be there, I didn't ask for that either. They just put that on you. I 842 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:19,199 don't have a choice to opt out cuz I guarantee it not one person in this room 843 01:58:15,679 --> 01:58:22,560 has read a EULA of 72 pages just from Apple alone when you sign up for your 844 01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:26,800 phone and they're tracking you. The other thing about this whole this whole 845 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:31,440 thing about this is if you look at crime in totality I was just looking at the 846 01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:35,440 FBI crime statistics there's 35 last year there was there was 14,000 847 01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:41,119 murders. It doesn't solve those and it even admits to that. There was like over 848 01:58:37,679 --> 01:58:45,280 last year um they said 7% of crime in the United States there's 350 million 849 01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:49,440 people. So if you just took 10% that's 35 million. So you're putting the rest 850 01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:53,840 of us in a fishbowl for the for the 10%. So you're treating us all like crap for 851 01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:57,520 the idea of the the few that break the laws. And then you say it's for 852 01:58:55,520 --> 01:59:00,400 protection. Look at prison and ask a prisoner if they've ever been raped. I 853 01:58:59,040 --> 01:59:04,639 don't need that. I don't need your protection. I need you to stop making 854 01:59:02,239 --> 01:59:09,462 agreements that I didn't consent to. And like Patrick Henry says, "Give me 855 01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:09,462 liberty or give me death." [applause] 856 01:59:12,080 --> 01:59:15,719 » Vincent Assard. 857 01:59:17,267 --> 01:59:19,287 [clears throat] 858 01:59:23,162 --> 01:59:25,182 [cough and clears throat] 859 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:34,800 Good evening, [clears throat] council members and fellow residents. 860 01:59:32,400 --> 01:59:39,679 My name is Vincent Naro. I live in uh St. Charles City, District 6. I'm here 861 01:59:37,440 --> 01:59:44,239 tonight [clears throat] to demand that the mass surveillance network this 862 01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:48,960 county has installed be taken down. Every one of you took an oath of office 863 01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:54,080 under Article 7, Section 11 of the Missouri Constitution. That oath 864 01:59:51,360 --> 01:59:58,480 requires you to support the Constitution of the United States of America and the 865 01:59:56,719 --> 02:00:02,880 state of Missouri and to demean yourselves faithfully in office. 866 02:00:00,560 --> 02:00:08,358 Supporting the Constitution is not optional. 867 02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:11,119 It is the condition of your service. [clears throat] 868 02:00:09,199 --> 02:00:15,360 Article 1, section 15 of the Missouri Constitution is clear that people shall 869 02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:19,840 be secure in their persons, papers, homes, effects, and electronic commun 870 02:00:17,920 --> 02:00:24,159 communications and data from unreasonable searches and seizures. It 871 02:00:22,159 --> 02:00:28,639 further requires that no warrant to access electronic data or communication 872 02:00:26,400 --> 02:00:32,520 cell issue without probable cause and particularized description. 873 02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:37,199 The fourth amendment to the United States Constitution provides the same 874 02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:41,719 fundamental protections against unreasonable searches and seizures. 875 02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:49,280 A network that systematically tracks the movements of ordinary residents, 876 02:00:47,199 --> 02:00:57,000 collecting location data on people who are not subject of crime is a form of 877 02:00:52,080 --> 02:00:57,000 continuous suspicionless surveillance. 878 02:00:58,138 --> 02:01:00,158 [clears throat] 879 02:01:00,400 --> 02:01:06,400 It treats the public as a whole as subjects to be monitored rather than 880 02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:11,199 free citizens. That is incompatible with the constitutional guarantees you all 881 02:01:08,400 --> 02:01:15,760 swore to uphold. I'm not opposing targeted lawful 882 02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:20,080 investigations based on individual suspicion and proper warrants. I am 883 02:01:18,320 --> 02:01:23,679 opposing the permanent infrastructure of mass data collection that has already 884 02:01:22,080 --> 02:01:28,960 been installed without the informed consent of the people. Therefore, I 885 02:01:26,159 --> 02:01:32,239 formally demand that this council number one order the immediate discom 886 02:01:30,639 --> 02:01:37,040 decommissioning and removal of the mass surveillance network direct the 887 02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:40,480 permanent deletion of all data collected on residents who are not subject of 888 02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:45,599 specific criminal investigations supported by probable cause and affirm 889 02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:50,080 that no similar bulk surveillance system will be operated in this county in 890 02:01:47,440 --> 02:01:53,814 violation of article 1 section 15 Missouri constitution or the fourth 891 02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:58,000 amendment. >> [clears throat] 892 02:01:55,119 --> 02:02:02,560 » You swore an oath to support the Constitution, 893 02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:07,280 not to expand government power at the expense of the people's rights. 894 02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:11,719 Taking this network down is how you keep that oath. Thank you, 895 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:18,679 » McKenzie. McKenzie B. 896 02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:31,199 Oh, I'm sorry. >> Mackenzie is 897 02:02:30,494 --> 02:02:34,080 [laughter] >> it balanc. 898 02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:38,159 » Yeah, I'm sorry. >> All right. Two Mackenzie's here. Okay. 899 02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:42,639 Well, good evening. My name is Mackenzie Balinat. I'm on I'm here on behalf of my 900 02:02:41,119 --> 02:02:46,960 children, myself, and many other concerned mothers that I've interacted 901 02:02:44,159 --> 02:02:51,040 with both in real life and on Facebook groups across really the state of 902 02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:55,199 Missouri, not just our county. Um, I'm a mother of multiple children, 903 02:02:53,040 --> 02:02:59,679 as I said, right here in this community. I'm a lifelong resident of this county. 904 02:02:58,000 --> 02:03:04,159 I'm speaking tonight not as someone against law enforcement or the law in 905 02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:08,800 general, as I know a lot of people who are against flocked can be those types. 906 02:03:06,800 --> 02:03:12,159 I'm speaking as a concerned mother who has also spoken, as I said, to many 907 02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:16,960 other mothers, and I hope that you'll listen and take this to heart. The 908 02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:22,320 reality is that flock and cameras like it have been placed near the very places 909 02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:26,800 that our children play, parks, pools. These are not high-rime corridors. These 910 02:03:25,040 --> 02:03:30,400 are the spots where our families go to feel safe and spend time together with 911 02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:34,400 other people in our communities. And just days ago, as we've talked about 912 02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:38,719 this evening, we saw exactly why this should concern everyone in our county. 913 02:03:37,040 --> 02:03:41,840 Our own St. Charles County Police, as we've talked about, have discontinued, 914 02:03:40,239 --> 02:03:46,880 and I commend them for that. After the audit revealed the civilian employee had 915 02:03:43,679 --> 02:03:51,280 abused the system, that employee was had admitted misuse and was put on leave and 916 02:03:48,719 --> 02:03:55,679 resigned. As a mother, this hits home. When a system allegedly meant for public 917 02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:59,520 safety can be so easily turned toward personal tracking. And when so many of 918 02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:03,360 those cameras set at entrances to our public places like parks, it is no 919 02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:07,679 longer an abstract conversation. This is personal. Let me be clear, as I said, 920 02:04:05,760 --> 02:04:11,440 this is not anti police. I support our local officers. I commend them for 921 02:04:09,599 --> 02:04:16,080 handling the abuse they did find very swiftly. What I do question is the 922 02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:19,920 expanding of a private, including private, surveillance system everywhere 923 02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:24,719 that has already been abused right here in St. Charles County. While the company 924 02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:28,080 itself draws a hardline, Flock, against working with law enforcement on certain 925 02:04:26,320 --> 02:04:32,000 issues that would actually keep our community safe, like with immigration, 926 02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:36,960 Flock has refused to work with people on that. The issue is the storage of this 927 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:42,239 data at all. It's a violation of our rights. We want there to be no data to 928 02:04:39,199 --> 02:04:46,080 abuse in the first place. I believe we can support good policing and effective 929 02:04:44,159 --> 02:04:50,159 policing without accepting every new camera network that comes along. Our 930 02:04:48,320 --> 02:04:54,400 public places should remain places for families, for our children, not data 931 02:04:51,920 --> 02:04:58,320 collection points that can be misused. As I said, the collection of this data, 932 02:04:56,400 --> 02:05:02,159 however briefly stored, is a violation of our rights directly. I urge the 933 02:05:00,320 --> 02:05:05,599 council to keep this recent abuse and front and center in your minds and put 934 02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:09,760 the privacy of our families and people of this county first. Your constituents 935 02:05:08,000 --> 02:05:13,520 will be watching and we urge you to make the right decision and ban flock and 936 02:05:11,599 --> 02:05:18,440 cameras like it. And we will not be quiet until you do so. Thank you for 937 02:05:15,280 --> 02:05:18,440 your time. 938 02:05:20,000 --> 02:05:23,560 David Robertson. 939 02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:37,599 Good evening. My name is David Robertson. I'm the Republican nominee 940 02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:41,360 for Missouri House District 97. I'm here to speak against flock cameras and other 941 02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:45,599 instruments of mass surveillance in our society. One argument often used for 942 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:49,119 mass surveillance is if you're not doing anything wrong. What do you have to 943 02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:51,760 worry about? If you have nothing to hide, then would you mind handing me 944 02:05:50,560 --> 02:05:55,920 your phone? I can look through all the data this evening. I'm sure most of us 945 02:05:53,920 --> 02:05:59,199 would not want to do that. We all have things we've done that we're not proud 946 02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:03,199 of or we have information we don't want shared with others. It's called being a 947 02:06:01,360 --> 02:06:07,440 human being. I just finished a political race in which many aspects of my 948 02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:10,800 background were researched and used against me. Do you really think the 949 02:06:09,119 --> 02:06:14,880 information gained by mass surveillance would not be used against you at some 950 02:06:12,480 --> 02:06:19,599 point by a tyrannical government? Joseph Stalin's secret police chief barrier 951 02:06:17,679 --> 02:06:24,239 said, "Uh, show me the man, I'll show you the crime." Another argument for 952 02:06:22,239 --> 02:06:28,239 flock cameras is they help catch criminals and keep society safe. Let's 953 02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:32,480 start with the universal truth. The excuse of safety or emergency is very 954 02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:36,480 often used by tyrannical governments as a means to strip away liberty. Uh, this 955 02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:40,079 is the truth you're not taught in school. I certainly wasn't. I wish I 956 02:06:38,480 --> 02:06:43,840 could say I was the first one to notice this, but uh many others have noticed 957 02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:47,199 it. Let's look at some quotations from our founding fathers and other great 958 02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:51,040 thinkers which speak to the issue of safety, liberty, and privacy. Ben 959 02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:54,400 Franklin said, and this has been quoted earlier tonight, "Those who would give 960 02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:58,800 up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither 961 02:06:56,320 --> 02:07:03,440 liberty nor safety." Thomas Jefferson said, "I prefer dangerous freedom over 962 02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:06,960 peaceful slavery." William Pitt said necessity is the plea for every 963 02:07:05,040 --> 02:07:11,360 infringement of the human fre of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants. 964 02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:15,920 It is the creed of slaves. Friedrich Hayek said emergencies have always been 965 02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:20,480 the pretext in which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded. The 966 02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:24,239 sole purpose of government is to protect and preserve the inalienable rights of 967 02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:27,920 the people. One of those rights is the right to privacy and the right not to be 968 02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:32,079 searched and surveiled at all times as enunciated in the fourth amendment of 969 02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:36,000 the constitution. The proliferation of flaw cameras, license plate readers, and 970 02:07:34,159 --> 02:07:40,719 other forms of mass surveillance in our society remind me of the book 1984, 971 02:07:38,639 --> 02:07:44,079 which I'm sure many of us have read. Each person here, including the council 972 02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:48,320 members, should ask yourself a simple question. What kind of society do we 973 02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:52,800 want to live in? A perfectly safe and sanitized brave new world society where 974 02:07:50,719 --> 02:07:57,040 you have no freedom of movement or freedom of speech or right to privacy or 975 02:07:55,199 --> 02:08:00,639 a more dangerous and invigorating society in which you retain those 976 02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:04,400 liberties. What kind of society do you want for your children or your 977 02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:08,079 grandchildren to live in? I asked this because the way we're going now, your 978 02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:12,000 kids will know nothing of the liberties your parents and grandparents enjoyed. 979 02:08:10,320 --> 02:08:15,599 Make a decision today what kind of society you want to live in and then act 980 02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:19,119 in that choice and stand up for your God-given liberties. I've already made 981 02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:24,253 up my mind. Thank you so much for your time. I appreciate it. 982 02:08:22,233 --> 02:08:24,253 [applause] 983 02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:28,920 Teresa Litzenich. 984 02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:42,800 Hello. Um, I'm Teresa Lindnik. Um, first of all, I I um your microphone sometimes 985 02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:47,199 it's kind of hard to hear you all up there. So, you're if you could put your 986 02:08:44,960 --> 02:08:52,639 microphones closer to you, I' we'd appreciate that. I would appreciate it. 987 02:08:49,280 --> 02:08:56,719 Um, so I'm um I live here in St. Uh, St. Charles City. I'm asking you to ban 988 02:08:54,800 --> 02:09:02,480 license plate reader cameras. I can imagine I can imagine the tough position 989 02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:07,199 you are in as a county council. On one hand, you want to support police 990 02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:10,960 officers. On the other hand, you want to uphold the fourth amendment of our 991 02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:15,920 national constitution. The fourth amendment prohibits unreasonable 992 02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:20,560 searches, must have a probable cause before a search, and requires a warrant 993 02:09:18,320 --> 02:09:24,480 with searches. Amendment four sa safeguards your body, home, private 994 02:09:22,560 --> 02:09:30,079 papers, and personal belongings. Warrants must specifically detail the 995 02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:35,040 locations to be searched and the items to be seized rather than granting broad 996 02:09:32,719 --> 02:09:40,000 authority. Are we ready for a surveillance state? License plate reader 997 02:09:37,840 --> 02:09:43,599 cameras collect data on millions of vehicles regardless of whether the 998 02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:49,440 driver is suspected of a crime. These systems are marketed as indepensible 999 02:09:46,639 --> 02:09:55,199 tools to fight crime, but they ignore the powerful tools police already have 1000 02:09:52,159 --> 02:10:01,199 to track crim criminals, such as cell phone location data, creating a loophole 1001 02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:06,159 that doesn't require a warrant. Some cities use license plate readers to 1002 02:10:02,960 --> 02:10:12,079 issue traffic tickets. What happened to the innocent until proven guilty? 1003 02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:18,000 automatic um automated license plate readers intrude 1004 02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:22,639 um create they they basically create guilty until proven innocent situations. 1005 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:27,760 » Yeah. >> Our police chief says that license plate 1006 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:32,480 readers are being used that require two sets of eyes to record plates at the 1007 02:10:30,560 --> 02:10:37,599 station. Imagine being a police employee who 1008 02:10:34,719 --> 02:10:42,880 reads license plates with a fellow employee. I mean, I I appreciate the uh 1009 02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:48,560 two sets of eyes, you know, trying to help this situation, but imagine two 1010 02:10:45,920 --> 02:10:54,880 employees. One employee suspects his wife is cheating. He uses the camera to 1011 02:10:51,840 --> 02:11:02,239 check out where she's been. You want to be um the other employee wants to help 1012 02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:06,719 his colleague know the truth, but has an obligation to tell his boss about the 1013 02:11:04,239 --> 02:11:12,800 infraction. Automated license plate readers put an undue burden on employees 1014 02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:18,960 as well as the public at large. They produce privacy violations, risk of 1015 02:11:15,840 --> 02:11:23,599 misuse, limited benefits, meaning no substantial evidence that they 1016 02:11:20,560 --> 02:11:29,920 effectively prevent crime despite flax unethical attempts to prove otherwise. 1017 02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:35,280 ALPRs are a serious risk to your privacy and civil liberties. These systems 1018 02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:41,520 continuously record your movements without a warrant and ma'am. You have no 1019 02:11:38,239 --> 02:11:43,040 control over how it's used in um nationwide. 1020 02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:46,760 » Thank you, ma'am. >> So, thank you, 1021 02:11:47,920 --> 02:11:53,079 » Arie. already deoff. 1022 02:12:02,560 --> 02:12:08,639 » Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, members of the council. The council held 1023 02:12:06,000 --> 02:12:13,360 a closed session meeting at 6:00 p.m. this date. Your disclosure to the public 1024 02:12:11,119 --> 02:12:18,239 for reasons to go into a secret closed meeting are a direct violation of 1025 02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:24,000 chapter 610 because your staff failed to write the reasons as required by state 1026 02:12:20,639 --> 02:12:29,760 law onto the agenda. You went into close session for 1, 1027 02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:34,480 three, and 13. Are we firing our current illquipped county counselor who lives on 1028 02:12:31,840 --> 02:12:39,119 the hill in St. Louis city not complying with our county home rule charter? and 1029 02:12:36,719 --> 02:12:44,891 are we hiring a qualified and charter compliant county counselor? 1030 02:12:43,119 --> 02:12:50,480 You failed to write these reasons [snorts] uh out for the public to read 1031 02:12:47,280 --> 02:12:54,800 as uh required by state law. There needs to be the utmost transparency, 1032 02:12:52,239 --> 02:12:59,760 responsibility, and accountability when meeting behind closed and locked doors. 1033 02:12:57,599 --> 02:13:06,320 I take that very seriously and I hope you do through your oath of office. The 1034 02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:11,280 meeting held Monday, August 31st, 2021, the county council was in close session, 1035 02:13:08,159 --> 02:13:15,040 keeping the public at bay for an hour. Per chapter 610.021, 1036 02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:20,480 610.022, 610.023, 1037 02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:24,800 610.024, and 610.025, 025. I am requesting the written close county 1038 02:13:22,560 --> 02:13:31,119 council meeting minutes. All decisions in closed session of the county council. 1039 02:13:28,320 --> 02:13:36,079 All actions taken by the county council. All directions given to staff including 1040 02:13:33,840 --> 02:13:40,880 the county executive or county director of administration. All votes by each 1041 02:13:38,719 --> 02:13:47,599 individual council person is allowed by law. Any employee related actions and 1042 02:13:44,159 --> 02:13:54,480 other the camera contract. Let's face reality. The fact is Flock sells the 1043 02:13:50,719 --> 02:14:01,280 data for a dollar for a price. They have 120,000 cameras uh nationwide and 156 of 1044 02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:06,400 those cameras, whether it's Flock or another uh brand, are inside St. Charles 1045 02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:11,360 County. We have a female uh a civilian or a 1046 02:14:09,360 --> 02:14:17,199 contracted employee who violated our civil rights and our public trust. Who 1047 02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:21,760 was the civil the civilian employee and the private contracted employee that 1048 02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:28,719 abused and access the flock information to follow and harass innocent citizens 1049 02:14:24,639 --> 02:14:33,040 for personal gain per chapter 610.023 and 610.024. 1050 02:14:31,040 --> 02:14:37,520 I'm requesting the following. the name of that employee, the fired employee, 1051 02:14:35,599 --> 02:14:43,840 the contract related to the county police employee or contractor, and what 1052 02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:49,599 about the 29 flock uh the 29 cameras of the flock contract, financial penalties 1053 02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:54,719 and liability to our county? We need to have a monthly mandated audit. Disclose 1054 02:14:52,480 --> 02:14:59,040 or report to the community. County police department policy for spot checks 1055 02:14:57,280 --> 02:15:03,440 and reason for entry of the license plate. Dumping and destroying all data 1056 02:15:01,679 --> 02:15:07,199 collected within 5 days of any information not related to the 1057 02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:11,520 investigation. And the final issue, we should be purchasing local, not buying 1058 02:15:09,360 --> 02:15:13,840 four Chevrolets in the city of St. Louis for $115,000. 1059 02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:18,040 next week. >> Thank you, 1060 02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:18,040 » David Benitiano. 1061 02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:25,119 » How you all doing? >> Welcome back. 1062 02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:28,239 » I get the feeling you know what I'm here to talk about. Um, unlike Arie, I'm 1063 02:15:26,960 --> 02:15:32,320 going to be real quick. So, I'm here to talk about ALPRs and my concern with 1064 02:15:30,480 --> 02:15:36,159 them is the effect they have on minority populations and our legal immigrant 1065 02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:38,320 communities. Uh, we know that these cameras are being used 1066 02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:42,320 disproportionately to affect those populations and it's not doing them any 1067 02:15:40,079 --> 02:15:46,079 favors. It is creating a system of terror. And so if you talk to anyone 1068 02:15:44,079 --> 02:15:49,199 who's a stalking victim, they will tell you the worst part of their case was 1069 02:15:48,000 --> 02:15:52,239 feeling like they were being watched every time they left their house. And 1070 02:15:51,040 --> 02:15:56,719 that's what we're creating here in St. Charles County. So left, right, black, 1071 02:15:54,800 --> 02:15:59,880 white, none of us want these. Let's take them down. 1072 02:16:03,040 --> 02:16:06,599 » McKenzie Greer, 1073 02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:12,000 » welcome back. >> Thanks. 1074 02:16:09,040 --> 02:16:15,199 Hi, I'm the other McKenzie. Um, I'm here out of concern for the international 1075 02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:18,880 community of St. Charles County. I was in the room months ago when the 287g 1076 02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:22,239 agreement was put into place. Since then, I've been organizing alongside 1077 02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:26,000 other concerned citizens on behalf of our international brothers and sisters. 1078 02:16:24,159 --> 02:16:29,440 The best tool I found to change public sentiment in 5 years of doing 1079 02:16:27,280 --> 02:16:33,359 immigration work is to tell stories to today. Today, I want to talk about the 1080 02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:37,920 stories of immigrant children. One of the first children I worked with here on 1081 02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:42,000 asylum was a boy named Matteo. He and his mom fled an abusive partner in 1082 02:16:39,519 --> 02:16:46,319 Mexico. Matteo is goofy and he loves to sing and frequently sang solos um on 1083 02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:50,160 worship nights at our local church. One of my favorite things about Matteo is 1084 02:16:48,000 --> 02:16:53,679 his dedication to his PlayStation. At around 7 years old, when they fled their 1085 02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:57,599 hometown, his mother told Matteo to throw the most important things in a 1086 02:16:55,439 --> 02:17:01,679 backpack. Matteo just packed his PlayStation. One night, his mother told 1087 02:16:59,679 --> 02:17:05,200 us in tears that the PlayStation haunted her from his backpack every night that 1088 02:17:03,439 --> 02:17:10,399 they had to sleep under an overpass in Dallas, looking for help and shelter. 1089 02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:14,240 Since our work moved here to Missouri, I've met more kids like Matteo. One 1090 02:17:12,559 --> 02:17:18,399 family has more than a handful of kids, but the brightest of them is a girl 1091 02:17:15,519 --> 02:17:21,920 named Mina. Mina wants to be a dentist. Being new to English, we mostly focus 1092 02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:26,240 our time on reading when I tutor her and her siblings. School doesn't scare 1093 02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:30,080 Momina, but the children at school do. In two years living here, she hasn't 1094 02:17:27,920 --> 02:17:33,679 made any American friends. She's told me more than once that white kids won't 1095 02:17:31,599 --> 02:17:36,880 play with her on the playground. Every week, I ask if she's made a new friend, 1096 02:17:35,280 --> 02:17:41,760 and every week, I'm disappointed by the answer. In January, 5-year-old Liam was 1097 02:17:39,840 --> 02:17:45,599 detained by ICE in Minnesota, steps away from his own door. This month, another 1098 02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:49,120 5-year-old named Liam was pulled over with his father on their way to a Sunday 1099 02:17:47,200 --> 02:17:53,120 soccer game in Austin. He was supposed to start kindergarten, but instead was 1100 02:17:50,800 --> 02:17:57,120 sent to a detention center and deported. And this blood lust for children is also 1101 02:17:55,439 --> 02:18:00,800 close to home. Just 20 minutes from where we're sitting right now, Hillsdale 1102 02:17:58,800 --> 02:18:04,880 police, deputized under a federal immigration contract like our own 287g 1103 02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:09,200 agreement, showed up at Rener Middle School asking about three students 1104 02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:13,359 without a judicial warrant. Council members, these are not abstractions. 1105 02:18:11,519 --> 02:18:17,679 These children with backpacks and PlayStations and worship songs and 1106 02:18:15,280 --> 02:18:22,719 dreams of being dentists. St. Charles County's own 287G agreement puts 1107 02:18:20,479 --> 02:18:27,040 children children in our schools one traffic stop away from being detained. 1108 02:18:25,280 --> 02:18:31,359 Tonight, I'm asking you to reconsider your allegiance to the 287g agreement 1109 02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:34,599 and consider taking up the cause of these children. 1110 02:18:36,800 --> 02:18:41,080 » Alderman Robert Hussy. 1111 02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:52,559 Good evening. My name is Alderman Robert Hussy and here I got Alderman Chantel 1112 02:18:50,319 --> 02:18:57,760 Summers with me. We represent the the city of Wentzville. And first thing I 1113 02:18:55,120 --> 02:19:01,519 want to say to you guys is I appreciate what you guys do. Being an elected 1114 02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:05,439 official sometimes there's some hard decisions that have to be made and half 1115 02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:10,080 the people like you and half the people don't. So I appreciate you guys putting 1116 02:19:07,679 --> 02:19:16,479 in the time and effort and and what you do. Um, what I'm here to talk about 1117 02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:23,359 tonight is a railroad quiet zone in the western part of the county in in Wville. 1118 02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:28,240 Uh, the board has sent us to ask a request from you. Uh, the city of 1119 02:19:25,439 --> 02:19:32,960 Wsville is moving all their railroad crossings to a quiet zone so the 1120 02:19:30,639 --> 02:19:38,479 railroad doesn't blow the horn at 3:00 a.m. as I've gotten many concerns over 1121 02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:41,760 the years from residents about that. Um, when I first was elected, I didn't even 1122 02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:45,120 know there was such a thing. And when somebody finally asked me and and I knew 1123 02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:49,920 the information, I said, "Yes, actually, we could probably help with that." Uh, 1124 02:19:47,519 --> 02:19:55,359 what I need from the county is there is a railroad crossing at Shaper Road. Uh, 1125 02:19:52,800 --> 02:20:00,240 that is just right on the edge of the city limits of Winsville. Um, and and 1126 02:19:58,479 --> 02:20:05,920 that is completely surrounded by unincorporated St. Charles County. Um, 1127 02:20:02,560 --> 02:20:09,120 and also, uh, the county may want to also help Forestell because I know they 1128 02:20:07,840 --> 02:20:14,000 have a couple members that are interested in doing that as well, but 1129 02:20:10,560 --> 02:20:18,640 Forestell is a a small town. Um, so they may need some some help. Uh but with 1130 02:20:16,560 --> 02:20:24,640 that we can actually sleep through the night without hearing the railroad blow 1131 02:20:21,040 --> 02:20:30,800 its horn at at at 3:00 a.m. Um of course in Wsville we have South Point Prairie 1132 02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:34,640 Hupperman Wilmer uh Lynn and Oldtown and East Pitman that we're going to be 1133 02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:40,000 taking care of. We just ask that the county uh take care of Shaper Road just 1134 02:20:37,840 --> 02:20:45,040 on our border. Um so maybe you want to add that to your capital improvement 1135 02:20:41,920 --> 02:20:49,439 plan or or your budget. So, I appreciate your time and and I make that request to 1136 02:20:47,439 --> 02:20:52,680 you, please. And thank you. >> Thank you. 1137 02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:56,600 » Tom Rega, 1138 02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:02,080 » can I wait for the two people to come back? 1139 02:20:59,760 --> 02:21:07,040 » They're not going to be coming back. >> Can I step outside this box? 1140 02:21:05,120 --> 02:21:09,280 » Do Do you feel strongly about it? >> Yes, I do. 1141 02:21:08,000 --> 02:21:13,760 » Okay. >> All right. Started up. Uh, first and 1142 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:17,359 foremost, I'm not prepared for this what I'm doing tonight. I've been looking at 1143 02:21:15,760 --> 02:21:20,479 this most of my day. I did a lot of research. I couldn't find what I was 1144 02:21:18,479 --> 02:21:24,720 looking for. Over dinner tonight, I found what I'm looking for. 1145 02:21:22,800 --> 02:21:29,280 Uh, four years ago, I find a complaint against this county for a problem with 1146 02:21:27,359 --> 02:21:33,760 the neighbor, weed infections, etc., etc. It went on for a year. I couldn't 1147 02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:38,720 get the county response. Sunshine Act, etc., etc. Ultimately, came down to a 1148 02:21:36,960 --> 02:21:43,200 problem with what I felt with Mr. Sullivan is not both. You guys may 1149 02:21:41,840 --> 02:21:48,560 remember me. >> Hey, can you wait 1150 02:21:46,160 --> 02:21:51,600 on his who he is? >> Okay, 1151 02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:56,560 » don't take my time off. >> Can you pause that for a second, 1152 02:21:53,280 --> 02:21:58,560 » please? What did I do wrong? >> Well, 1153 02:21:57,040 --> 02:22:01,680 » I wanted to see who he was. >> I appreciate videotape and everything. 1154 02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:05,840 » So, I appreciate that. >> And I want everybody to see he's the 1155 02:22:03,439 --> 02:22:09,920 acting county counselor and he has been for five, six years. 1156 02:22:06,880 --> 02:22:13,439 » All right, hang on. Hang on. Hang on. I'm going to start your clock again. 1157 02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:17,920 You're not I'm trying to get you to a point. Here's my request for you. Stay 1158 02:22:16,000 --> 02:22:22,080 in that box. Okay. >> I now know what I Mr. Chairman. 1159 02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:27,280 » I'm just He He He violated the space up here 1160 02:22:25,760 --> 02:22:31,200 earlier and went over there and stood next to our clerks when they were 1161 02:22:28,800 --> 02:22:35,680 supposed to be doing something else. And I'm not I appreciate the fact they 1162 02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:38,880 didn't complain about it, but but I don't I don't know. I don't understand. 1163 02:22:37,520 --> 02:22:43,040 I'm going to call you Steve because I want you to be a question. Three years 1164 02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:46,880 ago and you never answered this. >> All right, hang on. You're here to do 1165 02:22:45,439 --> 02:22:51,359 public comment. >> You're here to do public comment. 1166 02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:56,399 » We're just trying to make sure that everybody started. You must live in the 1167 02:22:54,560 --> 02:23:00,000 city. Excuse me. You must live in St. Charles. 1168 02:22:56,800 --> 02:23:04,240 » Sir, turn your comments this way. >> We are here exactly three years ago. 1169 02:23:02,800 --> 02:23:07,120 » Sir, you're either going to speak to the council or you're going to be done. They 1170 02:23:05,920 --> 02:23:13,040 asked me questions. >> They're not. It's our meeting. So speak 1171 02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:16,080 to the council. It's public comment to the council, not public comment to the 1172 02:23:14,960 --> 02:23:19,760 people who came to the council >> meeting county that if you're an 1173 02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:23,280 employee making a couple hundred,000 a year, you're supposed to live in the 1174 02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:27,280 county. >> No. 1175 02:23:24,960 --> 02:23:31,600 » No comment. It's public comment. >> This is for you to talk. 1176 02:23:28,399 --> 02:23:36,160 » Mr. Elman, I asked him. I stood here 3 years ago and I've [clears throat] never 1177 02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:40,960 gotten my questions answered. I have asked for sunshine lawn documents. I'm 1178 02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:46,560 meeting with an attorney tomorrow. You have never ever ever this group and 1179 02:23:44,960 --> 02:23:49,600 again it was not my intent to come here. I'm I'm not prepared. I have no 1180 02:23:48,160 --> 02:23:53,520 documents. I have no paperwork. I have nothing. I had all my notes. But I found 1181 02:23:51,760 --> 02:24:00,399 what I was looking for today. It is a requirement of St. Charles County 1182 02:23:56,720 --> 02:24:05,600 that all employees be living in this county. 1183 02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:08,319 He didn't answer this question three years ago. Neither one of them. Look at 1184 02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:13,359 them. They're laughing at me. I researchers Elman's website. He should 1185 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:19,040 have retired. He wanted to retire. Mr. Sullivan, I I can give you probably 1186 02:24:15,920 --> 02:24:25,600 30 emails. Neither one of these guys ever responded to me. 1187 02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:29,280 I'm KC born and raised. Go cheese. I'm not a swifty adoptee, which annoys the 1188 02:24:27,680 --> 02:24:36,080 heck out of me. I moved here 30 some years ago. I spent over $100,000 in in 1189 02:24:33,120 --> 02:24:41,439 taxes in this county. You won't give me the s Roy give me the sunshine documents 1190 02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:46,160 that I'm entitled to that I've been asking for. I filed another complaint 1191 02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:51,359 last week because the problem's gotten worse and worse and worse. The long 1192 02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:55,280 story short is a a neighbor is violating weed code and you guys aren't doing your 1193 02:24:53,680 --> 02:24:59,120 job. I'm sorry. As I said, I wasn't prepared. 1194 02:24:57,680 --> 02:25:02,560 I don't have my documents. I don't have anything. I'm setting over dinner and I 1195 02:25:00,880 --> 02:25:07,725 found the document I'm looking for. I'm coming after you guys. I got an attorney 1196 02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:07,725 meeting tomorrow. [applause] 1197 02:25:09,200 --> 02:25:15,760 Somebody else [applause] works. 1198 02:25:13,439 --> 02:25:19,920 » Sure. Thank you. He makes a couple hundred thousand. Thank you, sir. We're 1199 02:25:17,920 --> 02:25:23,800 done. He lives in St. Louis. >> Thank you, sir. We're done. 1200 02:25:25,439 --> 02:25:33,800 » Why won't you answer my questions? >> Yes, sir. 1201 02:25:30,319 --> 02:25:33,800 » Thank you for coming. 1202 02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:37,560 » Thank you. 1203 02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:44,000 » Coming after you guys, >> final speaker. 1204 02:25:41,840 --> 02:25:49,120 And that will be an eventful wrap-up of public comment tonight. We will now move 1205 02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:53,520 to the consent agenda. Any items to be removed from the consent agenda. Seeing 1206 02:25:51,840 --> 02:25:56,960 none, I would entertain a motion. >> Motion to accept the consent agenda 1207 02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,920 » and seconded. >> Motion and second, all those in favor 1208 02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:03,760 say I. I. >> Any opposed. 1209 02:26:01,840 --> 02:26:08,479 Consent agenda is approved. That will get us to our first resolution this 1210 02:26:06,240 --> 02:26:14,160 evening. Resolution 1211 02:26:11,359 --> 02:26:18,479 number 2609 sponsored by council as a whole. A resolution reappointing Luke 1212 02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:22,880 Kho to the board of trustees of the Greens Bottom Levy District number two. 1213 02:26:21,040 --> 02:26:26,560 Whereas the Greens Bottom Levy District number two, which may occasionally have 1214 02:26:24,800 --> 02:26:30,640 been referred to as the Greens Bottom Levy District or the Greens Bottom 1215 02:26:28,319 --> 02:26:34,720 Drainage District or as the Greens Bottom Drainage and Levy District as 1216 02:26:33,040 --> 02:26:40,720 established by the St. Charles County Court on April 16th, 1929, pursuant to 1217 02:26:38,160 --> 02:26:45,280 article 4, chapter 28 of the revised statute of Missouri, 1919. And whereas 1218 02:26:43,439 --> 02:26:49,200 the Greens bottom levy district number two has since been reorganized as a levy 1219 02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:54,399 district organized by a county commission under the provisions of 1220 02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:59,920 chapter 245 RSMO as reflected in the order of June 16th, 1987 of the former 1221 02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:04,000 St. Charles County Commission. And whereas with respect to levy districts 1222 02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:09,200 organized by county commissions under the provisions of chapter 245 RSMO 1223 02:27:06,720 --> 02:27:13,200 section 245.335 provides that county commissions shall 1224 02:27:10,880 --> 02:27:17,840 appoint three directors of levies in such districts who shall be landholders 1225 02:27:15,600 --> 02:27:21,680 within the county for the levy district of which the county is whole or part 1226 02:27:20,160 --> 02:27:27,680 thereof. And whereas section 245.335 1227 02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:32,800 RSMO further provides that when such directors are first appointed, one shall 1228 02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:38,000 hold his said office for the term of one year, one for the term of two years, and 1229 02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:42,000 one for the term of three years, and until their successors are duly 1230 02:27:39,840 --> 02:27:46,399 appointed and qualified, and that the county commission shall annually 1231 02:27:43,760 --> 02:27:51,120 thereafter appoint one director to take the place of the director whose official 1232 02:27:48,319 --> 02:27:56,160 term expires. And whereas pursuant to the St. Charles County chart charter 1233 02:27:53,040 --> 02:28:01,280 article 10 section 10.608 and section 245.335 1234 02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:07,040 RSMO, the county council passed resolution 1014 appointing three owners 1235 02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:11,920 or representatives of representatives of owners of land within the Greens Bottom 1236 02:28:09,359 --> 02:28:16,800 Levy District number two to its board of directors for the staggered terms stated 1237 02:28:14,319 --> 02:28:21,760 in that resolution. And whereas the current directors of Greens Bottom Levy 1238 02:28:18,960 --> 02:28:27,520 District number two are Luke Kho as representative of owner Ducket Creek 1239 02:28:24,000 --> 02:28:32,479 Sanitary District, Larry Ostman and Mark Ostman. And whereas the county council 1240 02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:39,920 now seeks to reappoint Luke Kho to a three-year term pursuant to the pro 1241 02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:43,439 provisions of chapter 245 RSM. Now therefore, be it resolved by the 1242 02:28:41,840 --> 02:28:47,200 County Council of St. Charles County, Missouri, as follows. 1243 02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:53,840 Section one, the St. Charles County Council reappoints Luke Kho to the board 1244 02:28:52,000 --> 02:28:59,359 of trustees for the Greens Bottom Levy District number two for a three-year 1245 02:28:55,680 --> 02:29:03,520 term beginning September 14th, 2026. Section two, after the expiration of the 1246 02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:08,720 term set out above, the council shall appoint or reappoint, as the case may 1247 02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:12,840 be, the director or a successor to serve a three-year term thereafter. 1248 02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:17,600 Any questions or comments about the resolution? No. 1249 02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:20,640 » Seeing none, >> only two, 1250 02:29:18,240 --> 02:29:25,359 » please call the RO. >> Resolution number 2609, a resolution 1251 02:29:23,439 --> 02:29:29,680 reappointing Luke Kho to the board of trustees of the Greens Bottom Levy 1252 02:29:27,280 --> 02:29:32,720 District number two. >> Councilman Hammond. Councilman Elim. 1253 02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:34,080 » Yes. >> Councilman Hollander. 1254 02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:35,600 » Yes. >> Councilwoman York. 1255 02:29:35,200 --> 02:29:37,040 » Yes. >> Councilman Baker. 1256 02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,800 » Yes. >> Councilman Swanson. 1257 02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:45,600 » Yes. Ma'am. >> Councilman Brazzle. Resolution 29 or 1258 02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:49,840 2609 passes. That gets us to resolution 2610. 1259 02:29:47,359 --> 02:29:55,120 » Resolution 2610 sponsored by council as a whole. A resolution adopting the 2027 1260 02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:59,520 through 2031 capital program and strategic plan. Whereas the St. Charles 1261 02:29:57,680 --> 02:30:04,880 County Charter, Article 6, Section 6.301, requires the county council to 1262 02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:08,880 adopt the capital program and strategic plan no later than two months prior to 1263 02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:14,000 the final date of submission of the budget. And whereas the St. Charles 1264 02:30:10,960 --> 02:30:18,560 County Charter Article 6 section 6.201 requires that on or before the fifth day 1265 02:30:16,880 --> 02:30:22,640 of November or the first working day after the 5th of November each fiscal 1266 02:30:20,399 --> 02:30:27,040 year, the county executive shall submit to the county council a budget for the 1267 02:30:24,880 --> 02:30:31,120 ensuing fiscal year. and an accompanying message. And whereas the county 1268 02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:34,560 executive has presented the plan to the county council is required by the 1269 02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:38,399 charter, a public hearing has been held on it, and it has been made available 1270 02:30:36,800 --> 02:30:42,319 for inspection by the public on the county's website under the Department of 1271 02:30:40,160 --> 02:30:45,760 Finance. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the county council of St. Charles 1272 02:30:43,680 --> 02:30:50,640 County, Missouri, as follows. Section one, the plan attached here too as 1273 02:30:48,479 --> 02:30:56,880 exhibit A, known as the capital improvement program years 2027 through 1274 02:30:53,920 --> 02:31:01,359 2031, is hereby approved. Section two, compliance with the terms of the capital 1275 02:30:58,560 --> 02:31:06,240 improvement program years 2027 through 2031 shall be the responsibility of the 1276 02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:09,200 county executive. >> Any questions or comments about the 1277 02:31:07,840 --> 02:31:12,800 resolution? >> Nope. 1278 02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:19,040 » Seeing none, please call the role. Resolution 26-10, a resolution adopting 1279 02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:23,600 the 2027 through 2031 capital program and strategic plan. Councilman Elum, 1280 02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:25,439 » yes. >> Councilman Hollander, 1281 02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:26,960 » yes. >> Councilwoman York, 1282 02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:28,640 » yes. >> Councilman Baker, 1283 02:31:28,000 --> 02:31:30,479 » yes. >> Councilman Swanson, 1284 02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:33,200 » yes, ma'am. >> Councilman Brazzle, 1285 02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:37,920 » Councilman Hammond. >> Resolution 2610 passes. That gets us to 1286 02:31:35,920 --> 02:31:42,080 bills for final passage, starting with 5518. 1287 02:31:39,600 --> 02:31:45,840 Bill number 5518, an ordinance amending the zoning district map of the county of 1288 02:31:43,680 --> 02:31:50,399 St. Charles, Missouri by reszoning land from a agricultural district to RR 1289 02:31:48,160 --> 02:31:54,640 single family residential district per application RZ26-04. 1290 02:31:53,200 --> 02:32:00,080 » Any questions or comments about the bill? Seeing none, please call the role. 1291 02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:03,600 » Bill number 5518, an ordinance amending the zoning district map of the county of 1292 02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:08,720 St. Charles, Missouri by reasonzoning land from a agricultural district to RR 1293 02:32:06,560 --> 02:32:13,040 single family residential district per application RZ26-04. 1294 02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:14,560 Councilman Hollander, >> yes. 1295 02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:16,000 » Councilwoman York, >> yes. 1296 02:32:15,120 --> 02:32:17,520 » Councilman Baker, >> yes. 1297 02:32:16,399 --> 02:32:20,640 » Councilman Swanson, >> yes, ma'am. 1298 02:32:18,000 --> 02:32:25,600 » Councilman Brazzle, Councilman Hammond, Councilman Elum, 1299 02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:30,080 » yes. Bill 5518 passes. Last bill for final passage 5519. 1300 02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:33,680 Bill number 5519, an ordinance authorizing the county executive or 1301 02:32:31,760 --> 02:32:37,359 designate to execute a memorandum of understanding between the county of St. 1302 02:32:35,520 --> 02:32:42,160 Charles on behalf of the St. Charles County Regional Drug Task Force and the 1303 02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:45,680 Drug Enforcement Administration, St. Louis Field Division regarding the 1304 02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:50,080 reimbursement of certain law enforcement equipment expenses incurred in support 1305 02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:52,720 of joint fentanyl and methamphetamine investigations. 1306 02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:56,000 » Any questions or comments about the bill? 1307 02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:59,840 » Seeing none, please call the role. Bill Number 5519, an ordinance authorizing 1308 02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:03,760 the county executive or designate to execute a memorandum of understanding 1309 02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:07,760 between the county of St. Charles on behalf of the St. Charles County 1310 02:33:04,960 --> 02:33:12,560 Regional Drug Task Force and the Drug Admin Drug Enforcement 1311 02:33:10,000 --> 02:33:15,920 Administration St. Louis Field Division regarding the reimbursement of certain 1312 02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:20,080 law enforcement equipment expenses incurred in support of joint fentanyl 1313 02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:21,680 and methamphetamine investigations. Councilwoman York, 1314 02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:23,280 » yes. >> Councilman Baker, 1315 02:33:22,720 --> 02:33:26,800 » yes. >> Councilman Swanson. Yes, ma'am. 1316 02:33:25,120 --> 02:33:29,040 » Councilman Brazzle. >> Councilman Hammond. 1317 02:33:28,080 --> 02:33:30,399 » Councilman Elum. >> Yes. 1318 02:33:29,359 --> 02:33:34,160 » Councilman Hollander. >> Yes. 1319 02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:37,600 » Bill 5519 passes. That gets us to bills for introduction. Starting with bill 1320 02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:41,920 5520. >> Bill number 5520 requested by Mike 1321 02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:48,160 Carlberg, sponsored by Mike Elim. An ordinance designating the Avon Place 1322 02:33:44,479 --> 02:33:52,160 Disaster Risk Reduction Area DR within St. Charles County, Missouri for 1323 02:33:49,840 --> 02:33:56,000 purposes of the local voluntary buyout program funded through community 1324 02:33:54,000 --> 02:34:01,439 development block grant disaster recovery CDBG DR4451 1325 02:34:00,399 --> 02:34:05,840 funds. >> Any questions or comments about this 1326 02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:11,359 bill? Next, we move to bill 5521. Bill number 1327 02:34:08,880 --> 02:34:16,080 5521 requested by John Lion, sponsored by Mike Elim, an ordinance establishing 1328 02:34:13,760 --> 02:34:20,720 new traffic regulations and establishing penalties for violations thereof. 1329 02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:25,280 » Any questions or comments about this bill? 1330 02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:29,920 Seeing none, we move to 5522. >> Bill number 5522 requested by Amanda 1331 02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:33,040 Brower, sponsored by council as a whole, an ordinance authorizing the county 1332 02:34:31,600 --> 02:34:37,120 executive to execute an intergovernmental agreement with the 1333 02:34:34,880 --> 02:34:41,680 city of Wsville for use of St. Charles County transportation sales tax funds 1334 02:34:39,359 --> 02:34:46,800 for road improvements needed to support the economic development Mercy Hospital 1335 02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:49,040 Wentzville development project. >> Any questions or comments about this 1336 02:34:48,319 --> 02:34:52,160 bill? Yes, sir. >> Just very quickly, I did talk to the 1337 02:34:50,399 --> 02:34:55,840 mayor of Wville and a couple of their other aldermen. They're all in support 1338 02:34:53,680 --> 02:34:56,960 of this. >> Yes, sir. 1339 02:34:56,399 --> 02:35:02,080 » Thank you. >> I guess this Do we think that without 1340 02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:05,640 this funding that they wouldn't come to St. Charles County? 1341 02:35:09,920 --> 02:35:15,600 Steve, >> I don't think it's a matter of whether 1342 02:35:13,439 --> 02:35:20,240 or not Mercy would come. It's a partnership that we do here in doing um 1343 02:35:19,280 --> 02:35:22,319 building the roads. >> It's part of the economic development. 1344 02:35:21,920 --> 02:35:24,479 » It is. >> Correct. It's an economic development 1345 02:35:23,840 --> 02:35:30,319 project >> that I'm I'm still not a big fan of. I I 1346 02:35:27,920 --> 02:35:35,120 mean when we have when we have problems in the county 1347 02:35:32,479 --> 02:35:40,000 call highway in that we still need to address and we're giving money to 1348 02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:44,720 developers or to to private industries. I mean I'm just I I brought this up. We 1349 02:35:42,800 --> 02:35:48,160 talked about this in the budget. I don't support this. I think this is a bad bad 1350 02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:51,200 use of money. >> It's a public road. 1351 02:35:49,439 --> 02:35:55,120 » I Well, okay. It's a public road that they would have to build and that we 1352 02:35:53,520 --> 02:35:58,800 shouldn't be building and we shouldn't be paying for it. I know we do it under 1353 02:35:57,200 --> 02:36:03,680 the guise of, yeah, they're going to hire so many employees and so that's why 1354 02:36:01,280 --> 02:36:07,520 we should do it. I just I just don't like that. I just don't like that. And I 1355 02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:11,520 don't know if the if the council approved this before I became a member. 1356 02:36:09,840 --> 02:36:17,200 I'd like to know how this came about where we we put I think it's $10 million 1357 02:36:14,640 --> 02:36:27,200 of our of our county roadboard money into this pot for to entice uh uh 1358 02:36:24,080 --> 02:36:32,160 a workforce that may or may not benefit the county but in the amount of what 1359 02:36:30,160 --> 02:36:37,439 we're paying for the road. I just I just I just don't like this and and I think 1360 02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:41,359 we need to have a a bigger discussion as a council to see if we still want to 1361 02:36:39,600 --> 02:36:46,080 contribute money for economic development purposes where we can get a 1362 02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:51,359 better use for it for road projects that uh are needed for safety and other 1363 02:36:49,600 --> 02:36:55,359 reason not for not for economic development. But that's my comment. I'm 1364 02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:58,319 sure I'll probably talk about it more before we 1365 02:36:56,800 --> 02:37:00,800 get the final vote, but that's my thoughts. 1366 02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:06,720 Patty, >> can we get a uh like a map or some kind 1367 02:37:04,720 --> 02:37:10,640 of a show us where this is, what the road is going to be and where it's going 1368 02:37:08,560 --> 02:37:14,080 to go? I looked in the information we have so far and we don't have anything. 1369 02:37:12,479 --> 02:37:18,960 » Where's Amanda Brower? >> To look at and to see just where the 1370 02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:24,240 road goes, etc., etc. You can do it at the by the next meeting be fine. Thank 1371 02:37:21,200 --> 02:37:29,760 you. I I would point out that on our roadboard money, half of that money is 1372 02:37:27,359 --> 02:37:34,640 city money and the city gets to make that request. And as Mr. Swanson said, 1373 02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:40,399 the city of Wentzville put this request in and the city, this is the city of 1374 02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:43,840 Wville's allocation of roadboard money >> that is being done with that. So 1375 02:37:42,000 --> 02:37:48,880 » we control this the county council, >> all of the roadboard money that comes 1376 02:37:45,520 --> 02:37:55,200 in, we split half of that money with the cities of St. Charles County and they 1377 02:37:51,680 --> 02:38:00,080 put projects in that they want done in their city and they request the funds 1378 02:37:58,160 --> 02:38:06,000 and then the road board. Yes, Rob. >> The the the funds go to the city. They 1379 02:38:02,399 --> 02:38:10,240 don't go to the um individual uh businesses that may locate on that road. 1380 02:38:08,399 --> 02:38:12,960 The cities request the money and the monies go to the city. 1381 02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:16,720 » Yeah. But normally we put roads in for safety. You know, we've got a lot of 1382 02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:20,960 roads that require safety. We we we've got a I mean we have a a quality of life 1383 02:38:19,680 --> 02:38:25,520 issue that we just heard from the city of Wville with regards to train train 1384 02:38:23,200 --> 02:38:30,240 crossings. I just think that putting money towards road projects that just 1385 02:38:27,600 --> 02:38:33,439 for the purpose of a developer where they would they would pay for these 1386 02:38:31,760 --> 02:38:38,960 funds and I know we're we did it as part of the sale of or the purchase of the 1387 02:38:35,680 --> 02:38:43,920 city hall and I just I just don't think that's that was the intent of when the 1388 02:38:41,359 --> 02:38:49,840 voters passed the halfsent sales tax was for economic development where a 1389 02:38:46,720 --> 02:38:54,399 developer or this case Mercy Hospital would pay for the road project 1390 02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:58,319 irrespective of whether We put funding to it and now we're paying we have the 1391 02:38:56,479 --> 02:39:02,640 citizens paying for a road project that in otherwise would have been paid by the 1392 02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:06,880 hospital and I just think there's better use of that money and I I've talked 1393 02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:10,080 about it here at Nauseium and I'm sure I'll talk about it again in November 1394 02:39:08,399 --> 02:39:14,080 when we get the budget the capital improvement the road projects but you 1395 02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:18,080 know I just I personally just haven't have an issue with with the money going 1396 02:39:16,160 --> 02:39:22,960 that's being set aside for economic development where uh this road would be 1397 02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:25,439 otherwise paid for by the developer. Any other questions or comments, 1398 02:39:24,640 --> 02:39:28,080 » Mr. Chairman? >> Yes, sir. 1399 02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:32,479 » Yeah. So, I think Mr. Baker is referring to the butt four test, which is applies 1400 02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:37,439 to a lot of other economic development stuff, including TIFFs. And just to give 1401 02:39:35,280 --> 02:39:41,760 you a little history on this, this council 1402 02:39:38,960 --> 02:39:47,680 uh and myself before I ever got here have been big opponents of TIFFs. uh 1403 02:39:45,359 --> 02:39:54,319 mainly because the city's got to decide whether or not uh whether or not uh uh 1404 02:39:51,520 --> 02:40:00,640 our money, our sales tax money and property tax money would go into the 1405 02:39:56,000 --> 02:40:06,479 tip. Um the problem is people said, "Well, but what else can we do to 1406 02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:12,000 promote economic development?" And basically I think the first first week 1407 02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:17,439 that I was in this job is when we came up with this idea. And the problem of 1408 02:40:14,720 --> 02:40:23,120 course is you know if somebody wants to come in and and do an economic 1409 02:40:20,240 --> 02:40:28,560 development project yeah they could apply they could apply through the 1410 02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:34,080 regular roadboard pro process and and the county would pay 80% of the cost but 1411 02:40:31,760 --> 02:40:40,399 they'd have to wait three years. as you know, if there's an economic development 1412 02:40:36,800 --> 02:40:43,359 project out there, uh they can't wait for three years. They need to know 1413 02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:50,479 whether they're going to be able to do this or not. So, it's it's the timing 1414 02:40:46,720 --> 02:40:58,319 that created this whole new set of ways to spend roadboard money. and and and 1415 02:40:53,200 --> 02:41:03,040 and and again, uh the the the good part about that from us is we don't 1416 02:41:00,240 --> 02:41:08,479 have to pay 80%. We only have to pay 50. Uh but but yeah, there's been at least 1417 02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:12,720 what six or eight of these. Uh we did one the first the second first one we 1418 02:41:10,080 --> 02:41:17,760 did I think was with St. Charles and then uh and then we did u I think back 1419 02:41:15,520 --> 02:41:21,840 when Duchen uh Drive went went on through to Fifth 1420 02:41:19,840 --> 02:41:28,640 Street. That was the first one we did. Then we did one with Wentzville uh which 1421 02:41:24,399 --> 02:41:32,800 was out by the uh uh the GM plant and there was somebody one of one of their 1422 02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:37,439 suppliers wanted to come in there build a big building spend a lot of money they 1423 02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:44,880 needed a road to get to it and and we did we did it on that we did it on um 1424 02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:51,760 streets of St. Charles because in return for that they agreed not to do a TIFF. 1425 02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:58,560 So um this in a sense is just this is what we have tried to do to promote 1426 02:41:55,760 --> 02:42:05,359 economic development without taking money uh away from our other funds. So 1427 02:42:02,560 --> 02:42:09,120 uh each one of these projects you know has to be approved by you and you don't 1428 02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:13,760 certainly don't have to support it but I just want to make sure that that you 1429 02:42:10,800 --> 02:42:16,880 understand where this all started and what we've been trying to use. But I 1430 02:42:15,439 --> 02:42:20,319 will say you can look around the county and see a lot of developments going on 1431 02:42:18,560 --> 02:42:24,640 where we aren't paying for the roads. And so and I think the idea that these 1432 02:42:23,200 --> 02:42:29,520 things aren't going to happen unless we pay for the roads is I don't know if I 1433 02:42:26,720 --> 02:42:32,160 subscribe to that. So that's my point. >> They're not they're not all equally 1434 02:42:31,920 --> 02:42:36,319 » sure >> deserving. I'm sure if you think this 1435 02:42:33,840 --> 02:42:39,760 one is undeserving, you make the point. Well, I just think it's undeserving of 1436 02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:44,319 the money going to something like this where I mean, you know, I I've got, like 1437 02:42:42,560 --> 02:42:47,520 I said, I mean, I know it's a separate pot of funds, but I've got residents 1438 02:42:46,080 --> 02:42:51,920 that can't sleep at night when it rains because it it floods. We've got roads in 1439 02:42:49,920 --> 02:42:56,720 the county that are dangerous, and we have other things that I think if you 1440 02:42:53,600 --> 02:42:59,840 look at the criteria would meet where we should spend our money before we spend 1441 02:42:58,160 --> 02:43:05,760 it on economic development for a hospital. That's my comments. 1442 02:43:03,040 --> 02:43:11,040 » Any other comments? Seeing none, we'll move on to 5523. 1443 02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:14,720 » Bill number 5523, requested by Amanda Brower, sponsored by council as a whole, 1444 02:43:13,040 --> 02:43:19,520 an ordinance approving a transfer of funds within the transportation planning 1445 02:43:16,640 --> 02:43:22,560 fund of the 2026 annual budget and corresponding intergovernmental 1446 02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:29,600 agreements. >> Questions or comments about this bill? 1447 02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:34,240 » Seeing none, we'll go to 5524. >> Bill number 5524 requested by Travis 1448 02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:37,280 Wali, sponsored by Mike Elim. an ordinance authorizing the county 1449 02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:41,680 executive to execute an agreement with the city of Ofallen, the city of St. 1450 02:43:39,439 --> 02:43:46,080 Charles, the city of St. Peters, the city of Wsville, the city of Lake St. 1451 02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:50,960 Louis, the city of Dardine Prairie, the city of Welden Spring, and the city of 1452 02:43:48,160 --> 02:43:58,160 Cotleville, Missouri to share costs for highresolution geo referenced aerial 1453 02:43:53,840 --> 02:44:02,720 imagery from pic pictometry. >> Any questions or comments about this? 1454 02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:07,600 This is where if you go on the county GIS map and you can select that aerial 1455 02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:12,319 part, that's what this is. That's where you tend to that's where all of those 1456 02:44:10,240 --> 02:44:16,240 pictures come from, which makes it very easy for you to figure out where we're 1457 02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:21,520 going and helps Danny Klesner show clients where their property is. So 1458 02:44:18,720 --> 02:44:25,520 there you go, Danny. Um, with that, that's going to wrap up our bills for 1459 02:44:23,520 --> 02:44:30,160 introduction. We are at announcements and miscellaneous. Mr. Swansy. 1460 02:44:27,680 --> 02:44:34,240 » Yes. Um, executive branch, if you could reach out to the city of Wville to maybe 1461 02:44:33,200 --> 02:44:39,359 learn a little bit more about the railroad quiet zone and what they need 1462 02:44:36,880 --> 02:44:43,600 from us specifically in that area because having to improve some of those 1463 02:44:41,520 --> 02:44:47,520 crossovers. I know when we are moving the railroad track now, part of the deal 1464 02:44:45,840 --> 02:44:52,160 was to stop some of those at grade crossovers. I don't know if the Schaefer 1465 02:44:49,680 --> 02:44:56,080 Road was part of that or not. Uh, but if we could help them out with the quiet 1466 02:44:53,359 --> 02:44:59,840 zone as the two aldermen um asked us to do, I'd appreciate that and then just 1467 02:44:58,000 --> 02:45:03,279 get back with me. That's all I have, sir. 1468 02:45:01,120 --> 02:45:06,479 » Anyone else announcements or miss Mr. Baker? 1469 02:45:04,560 --> 02:45:10,399 » Would it be possible for these LPR cameras to put it to the voters? I mean, 1470 02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:15,200 is that even a possibility to let them decide if this is something that that 1471 02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:19,800 they want in unincorporated county? >> That's always a a possibility. 1472 02:45:19,920 --> 02:45:27,560 And and when's this when's the earliest we could have something like that on the 1473 02:45:24,560 --> 02:45:27,560 ballot? 1474 02:45:29,120 --> 02:45:35,160 » You mean as a as a binding thing or non-binding? 1475 02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:35,160 » Binding. 1476 02:45:35,840 --> 02:45:44,160 » Probably next April. >> It's definitely too late for November. 1477 02:45:40,640 --> 02:45:50,000 » Oh, sure. Okay. Thank you. >> Any other questions or comments? 1478 02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:55,120 Just so everybody's clear, when we do public comment, it's for the public to 1479 02:45:52,800 --> 02:46:00,640 comment to the council and you have three minutes in which to talk. It is 1480 02:45:57,200 --> 02:46:06,000 not a debate between someone from the audience and debating with us. So when 1481 02:46:03,600 --> 02:46:10,399 someone stands up and they say, "Why won't you answer us?" I just want 1482 02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:15,520 everybody to understand that's three minutes for you to be heard, not to 1483 02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:19,279 debate with the council. So, I wanted everybody to understand because I know 1484 02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:23,840 from time to time that comes up and people will come up and they want to do 1485 02:46:21,120 --> 02:46:29,920 a back and forth with the council. It's just not the way the meeting works. Uh, 1486 02:46:27,200 --> 02:46:36,399 so I didn't want people I know someone went when I said this is our meeting. I 1487 02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:41,439 didn't mean it's not our meeting as a county, but he was turning around and 1488 02:46:39,600 --> 02:46:45,840 facing the audience and debating with the audience. and I wanted him to 1489 02:46:43,359 --> 02:46:50,399 understand he is here to talk to the council, not to talk to St. Charles 1490 02:46:48,399 --> 02:46:56,160 County. If he wishes to do that, there are other ways to do that. All All that 1491 02:46:53,359 --> 02:47:03,439 being said, um that was an exciting evening. Can we agree? 1492 02:46:59,520 --> 02:47:09,359 » Uh at the end of the day, uh we hope Mr. Hammond is feeling better. I hope Mr. 1493 02:47:05,760 --> 02:47:13,600 Brazzle's horse is okay. Uh, I appreciate everyone's patience cuz I 1494 02:47:11,359 --> 02:47:18,560 know tonight went long for a little while on some comments especially. So, 1495 02:47:16,240 --> 02:47:23,680 thanks for hanging around. With that, I would entertain a motion to dismiss. 1496 02:47:22,160 --> 02:47:28,319 » Motion and second. >> All those in favor? I 1497 02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:31,520 » Good night, everybody. Why are you saying that?