Are we ready to get started today,
y'all? Think
» John make sure it's on.
» Okay. All we got to do is put them on
our phones. [snorts]
There it is. Right up there.
Okay, we'll get started today. Uh
this uh this is a work session. We made
some changes in the regular uh
dates that we were going to meet because
of conference last week. Uh and so we
have wanted to be sure we had plenty of
time to uh to prepare our agenda for
today's meeting. So we changed the
meeting. So we went ahead and changed
today's work session also. So we're
going to have the work session first and
our work session we will uh set up the
agenda then for incoming meeting. So we
get through and that's the format you
kind of got. So it'll take us a few
minutes when we get through the work
session to transition in. But I don't
think it'll take us that long in the
work session. What'll probably take some
time will be after we get through with
all that, we're going into a actual
budget budget meeting to try to finalize
our budget. And uh we're required by law
to have that budget uh in the box and
approved by October 1. So, we've got
plenty time. We haven't got into
September yet, so we can we can do quite
a few things between now and then. Uh
and every time I get a report from you,
Michelle, it's got more money in it. How
you how you doing that? Just just good.
» I'm finding way I'm finding ways
to get
» Money around.
» I learned some stuff down at that
conference. I say to get us another
about 375,000 to go back general fund.
» We're going to pull it from somewhere
else.
» Y'all could save money by just asking
Commissioner Parker to only go to that
trumper once every three years. Comes
back with too many ideas every time that
he goes. But we'll get we'll get started
in that. And uh the first thing that
we'll try to do is to go through the
engineers report work session and he'll
give us an update on what he's got going
on. And if you have anything in your
districts or whatever to put on his
plate, this would be a good time to do
it. So uh county engineer Clay, I don't
think he want to see me. I spent a whole
day with him Monday.
» Oh, you spent a You spent a week with
Ricky last Monday
to him every day at the conference.
[clears throat]
» Yeah.
Yeah, we figured out ways to spend money
for Monday.
» Um,
okay. Everybody ready?
» Yep.
» All right, go for it.
» Number one, update on crews and
projects. uh paving crew has been paving
on Pine Pine Mountain area of the county
and uh Monday they're moving over to the
cut over road and in Shaw Creek uh
Valley
paving that
» Are they about through on this end
» This end of the county?
» Yes,
» We're just now starting the tar and
gravel part.
» Okay, that's right. You did some other
» Yeah, we'll we'll do that until the
paving season's over to or till we're
» Finish paving all we got prepped for
» Things there for Katrina.
» Yes, sir.
» Got to give her one more.
[clears throat]
» Okay. Um base crew, they finished the K
Creek Road project preparation work. Um
and speaking of the HR 5826 250, when I
was at the conference, I I found out
that u that project has been backed up
to the December the 5th letting.
» It won't be let in September 25th u like
originally scheduled. So they're
basically going to use next FY funds.
That's what that's about.
» And that's for your trip projects.
» Yes, that was
» That probably won't be a big issue
because of uh you've got other projects
working try to get them in this year
anyway. We only got so many contractors.
» That's that's
probably running out of people to do
them anyway.
» That's true. That's true. Um
and also uh September the 8th. Around
September the 8th, we're scheduled our
base crew to start on the Evergreen
cover replacement project. That's a
covert that US Fish and Wildlife because
of TR Park Daughters. They're going to
pay for the cover material and
contractor put it in. We just got to do
the prep pre-prep work for the project
and do the road bed, get it back open
afterwards. It's be second Now, we've
done that. We did the first one on B
Circle. So, I think it's it's a win-win
for the county.
[clears throat] Uh the next uh item is
uh the U Sy Road uh
a trip to uh 582
02258.
Uh the dense grade base and paving.
That's what uh the project is up to have
needing that to be done. And uh Alabama
Grading is the prime on it. And they
also have a a a paving machine and
everything. And they are doing the the
dense grade and paving work for that
project. And they're scheduled to begin
uh next week, the September the 1, the
week of September the 1st.
» That's an ARIR project.
» Yes. Yes, sir.
» It's the county's uh it's one of the
counties at projects that we sponsored.
» Also, next is the Moody atrip uh two
project dealing with the traffic lights
at two different uh intersections and
that project is scheduled to be let uh
to bid September 25th, 2026.
And then our CMAC, I apologize. The CMAC
project is the Sandy Road US411
intersection project. It's scheduled for
a right now it's scheduled for a June
2027 leting.
» You got to be kidding me. Uh well maybe
it'll it'll speed up but here's the the
caveats with that is uh the
environmental technical service of ALDOT
they have to come up and approve the uh
the beaver removal uh dewatering uh
process which involved removing beaver
dams and relocating beavers.
Uh
once they uh once they approve
uh approve that then uh they'll give the
Old utilities the go ahead to get the
water line relocated.
» Does anybody see a trend here? You got
the dry spot darters
and relocating the beavers. So this
project should have been let be as two
years ago. I saw a murder of crows on
the way here. We got any kind of
protection on those yet?
That's a murder.
» Clay, are there any other animals in
your report today
» That were Hey, tell them Clay that's
that ain't only the problem we had right
there about beavers. What was the other
that held us up for all that long time?
» Oh, yeah. Right away is
» No that there was something else held us
up had to do with birds or plants or
something
» In there. A leather flower there.
» I forget what it was. Something else in
there we had held us up. Then core
engineer got involved and core engineers
kept it tied up till here a few months
ago and they finally released it to him.
» Consider the water the wetland and
» We had to pay the guy who owns that
property. We had to pay him to so we
could go out there and tear the beaver
downs
» And relocate them
» And relocate
» The dams.
» And we had to pay and we had to pay the
guy to go out there and do that by hand.
» Isn't there something extension service?
We Ashley's come in here. There's
something extension service can do about
these beavers.
» Probably not.
We don't do [laughter]
we can't help with that. Sorry.
» Can you carry some over Taliga County?
» Yes. Take them over there.
» Okay.
» Anyway, we'll be glad when the Sy 411
project is complete.
Let's get it done before we find any
more animals.
» Yeah.
No more nonhuman animals involved in the
rest of the proports
and probably bats held us up.
» They got the they had the grey nose
disease or something.
» Okay. Item number two disc um discuss.
We'll have a recommendations for uh road
workers. Uh the road worker one
positions. We have six that are open and
and uh in just a little bit I'll
recommend four of the positions to be
filled and uh the job is posted uh until
filled until those six positions are
filled. So, we'll we'll continue to uh
to interview until uh till we get those
[snorts] all field recommended to the
commission.
All right. Um,
moving on to number three is uh um just
to let y'all know that I I have
Jennifer with HR uh at my request posted
uh for the general labor position uh at
our office. We have uh two that's
available and I'm going to fill one of
them uh within the next couple weeks.
Hopefully we recommend y'all someone uh
September 8th commission meeting.
All right. Number four. Uh
would like to discuss a request for St.
Clair County to abandon rightway at the
end of Hurst Road in the Odinville area.
Um, I've received the uh
a couple years ago I got a request from
one of the property owners along
adjacent to that rideway and um during
the conference I got request from the
other uh property owner adjacent to that
rideway. There's only two so I won't
have to send out letters to anyone else
uh letting them know about it. But um so
I'd like to u
get permission to move forward on the
abandonment of the rideway and and I'll
coordinate with Tina and uh and Mr. Kurt
old
church go down. It goes out there in
dead end.
» Yeah.
» Situation out there is what it is. This
happened years ago.
» The road goes down there in dead end.
There's two houses out there. Our
rideway
half the road out there. He owns it. We
only own half of that road and to the
left of it. We got a ditch.
And he's [snorts] got an issue with
people keeps driving out there to his
house during the night time. Think it's
a parking place to come out there and
park. the other lake out there. They
come out there and they park up there on
his on his property.
» He's going he's going to put a gate up
keep that and only way he can do that if
we just go ahead and vacate that little
bit of portion right away we got in
here. Well, we have a similar problem. I
think it's in your district off 144
where we actually went out and did a
road all the way to the end of the road
and the guy now is complaining that that
from somewhere where they've got a pipe
out there, not the counties. You know
what I'm talking about.
Anyway,
I'll get with you on that one. He says
the end of that road was never dedicated
to county. It was just done.
» So,
» Just down there,
» Reverend Jordan,
» We was going to put a we going to put a
color sack down there right before that.
We had where buses could turn around and
yard trucks, but we only got one of the
property owners who to give us
permission. The other wouldn't. So, we
best do like what we're talking about
doing just vacate that let him put a
gate up keep people from coming out
there on his property.
» So we'll have to advertise for 30 days
public public meeting for 30 days and
then we'll
give y'all an opportunity to hear about
it and then give an opportunity to uh to
agree or disagree and then we'll have to
advertise after that that the has been
abandoned. That has been abandoned.
Okay. Um number five, uh discuss
approving an easement from Alabama Power
Company allowing Alabama Power Company
to provide power to the new uh SWAT
building on the road department campus.
And I've got that easement.
They going
down the side of your road to a pole and
then underground to the building across
the parking lot or what?
» Yes,
» There's an there's a pole on one of our
drives that goes to our co-mix. There's
already a pole there. They're going to
span over to another pole on the right
side of that drive. Then they're going
to go underground as I understand uh to
to the structure.
That's what they're doing. Good.
Did they give a cost to that? What's
going to cost us?
» The easement's not going to cost
anything. And I don't know what the
contract
digging from polit
as I understand it was part of the bid
package.
» What about gas lines? They gonna have to
have easement to get run the gas line
out there too.
» I have I'm not aware. Roy's Rodney's got
a lot of good connections with with fire
» People.
» He didn't say nothing about needing
right away going out through there which
they already got a gas line up through
there. So they already got right away.
» They got a gas line up there all the way
all the way up through there.
» They good.
» That' be one one thing we don't have to
worry about with gas coming. There you
go.
» Except it's a half inch line and it
won't feed a heater.
I just that's what happened to my house.
» Okay, it'll work out.
» So, the the easement though is a
standard Alabama power easement as I
understand.
Kurt can take a look at it if y'all
wish.
I got that stuff. I had a chance to look
at.
» That's that's all I have. Commissioners
have any questions for Clay?
other than the ones we put on you as we
went down the list. You can't get any
help out of Ashley on the beavers. I
don't know what you think.
» We can hold a trapping workshop if y'all
would like
» A trapping work.
» Yeah, because we hire we hire tra.
» I heard you put a dead beaver on top of
the d on the house and they'll leave.
» Really?
» That probably would work.
So dead.
» We can come up with dead.
» What's that? What's that? A tri
» Spot dart.
» Could we put them in straight to poor
moose to keep it? [laughter]
» Get the straight moose.
» Try spot dart.
» That's it.
» Build a bridge with that. Maybe open it
up.
» They're just not being creative. These
are being county government.
You might want to buck our military, but
don't buck what you try.
Some leather flowers on the side of the
beach at the Straits of Hormuse and drop
a few tri spot darters in snails in
there.
» Few snails. That place be
» All right. Enough bushy so we can be
done by some kind of reasonable
lunchtime. Uh Rody Wolf,
property manager, updates on properties
and projects.
» Rody, give them good news.
» Yeah, tell us buyers.
» Good news. EMA operation center gas
lines already stubbed up. Sitting there
waiting.
» The corner's building. It is stubbed up.
Sitting there waiting.
» Good.
» Only thing we got to do is get Clay to
fix the payment down there [laughter]
so the city don't jump us. Uh, and going
back to the SWAT thing, I talked to the,
uh, guy that's actually doing the wiring
out there. Uh, he had already talked to
Alabama Fire. They're about two weeks
out of them setting the pole, which
gives him enough time because he ain't
got the meter set yet for him to do it
anyway. So,
» And then,
» All right.
» Yeah, I was building
like pretty much done.
» They should be done this Saturday.
» We've already lined up on power to
there's no reason required for that. And
we already lined up on power to
hopefully show up next Wednesday to
start their process.
» I'll check what Aaron because Pat done
this one. The spire gas down here, but
over the one in Asheville. So, I checked
with him and see what where they're at
that gas line.
» We're in the mix on all that. The other
one that we were uh didn't know if he's
going to have to move anything or or add
something out here at the museum just
building when we move the uh Aaliyah in
there. Are we going to run into any kind
of gas line power line issues over
there? We got data lines. Has all that
been resolved?
» Got anybody? We've had line locates done
several times and there's nothing in
contact.
» Remove it some, but we we good on the
data lines that's going in because
they'll have to change all their online
stuff.
» I think Glenn and Emma's already been
over there getting everything ready for
it.
» John and
official meeting about two months ago
with them.
» Yeah.
» Oh, Clay too. What did you get the
survey done up there in Ash on the lot
in Asheville?
» Uh he he hadn't called me to let me know
he's finished with it. I will call him
today
» And an update on the uh
rescue squad building.
have not heard back from
not the guy that uh
actually come out and looked at the
building, but his who he reports to with
CRS give me a call of the day and said
he was going to run it on up to his
boss. And then after that, then they
would send the commission a letter
saying what they were going to do and
what what they were going to do.
Is that just water coming in and
wrapping back pretty much?
» Uh,
it's another one of them situations.
Don't you remember on the sheriff's
admin building behind the jail? Remember
the 10 way the 10 come down on the one
and the other just barely stuck up under
that building is is the same way and
they did not put no flashing to where it
very easy for water to get blowed back
up under is what it looked like to me.
It lasted a long time for that to just
now be a problem like that.
» Yeah, it really did.
» It's been a while.
» Yeah, long time.
» Other than that, that's what I got.
Well, I guess all the other thing is I
got the
part of the project with Dan done in
Asheville. I got the two fans and the
cassette units replaced. Waiting on the
coal to come in. uh which also reminded
me that [clears throat] uh once that
comes in, we'll have that replaced.
They're supposed to be here this weekend
replacing the two coils that's leaking
in the children out here.
» Everything is moving right along.
» So, next at 7:30, you and I'll meet with
the generator pick. Correct.
» All right.
» Let me know.
Anything for me?
» Whenever y'all get ready to talk about
what we're going to do with the other
generator, y'all giving some thought to
that.
» The old generator. I had uh cous water
going for generator. I had them go look
at it and uh he said ain't it ain't
going to be big enough for them.
» Wow.
» Golly, that's a big generator.
» I think that's the one that called me
and that sort of shocked me.
He he was talking about they needed a
400k.
» He said they he was talking like they
needed like a 400k generator to run
their what they needed.
» He said that there wasn't even
» That big or something.
» He said must be run big pumps.
» It must be something big
» Shot. We carry we carry it up to county
shop right we carry it up there and set
it up up there have to we use it hook it
up that swap building any building clay
then we got up there
» That's at least close to a source for
diesel fuel since that's a day on day
one we [clears throat] get does as good
as that one
» All right that's all I
I just got a text from him. He may have
gone to the wrong place.
That's what he did.
» Bigger 10.
» Yes, that's right. He's got
I sent him a text. So, we'll see if that
works out.
» All righty.
Moving on to Tina, county administrator
updates and information from Tina.
» Okay. So, I've been working with the
staff and Kirk on the procurement cards
and the credit card policies. We're not
ready to move forward on that yet, but
we are working on it and we'll bring it
back up as another work session.
» It's going to be
» It's going to be a lot bigger than we
thought. Um, but we can get through and
I'm sure
» Did y'all get some information from some
some of those starting cross this bridge
while we're at the conference. You get
chance to talk to some
» Conference.
We didn't talk to anybody there, but but
we've talked to other counties,
you know, before we went to the
conference and we've got material from
several counties.
» We've got material from Baldwin County
» And Lee County.
» Yeah.
» They've had a long time.
» Yeah. Um that they use for maintenance
and stuff like that, but not for travel.
» We're talking about travel. Travel is a
different animal.
And a lot of our accounting policies are
going to have to be revised. And we need
all of that in place before we put the
procurement cards.
» They can't go in effect 1 November
anyway.
» Yeah. So, we'll maybe have it by then
» And we got to make sure our software is
compatible, but we are working on it.
And [clears throat] the next item, the
Museum of B City will host Helen Keller
Art Show.
The reception will open Friday,
September the 11th from 2 to 4. Museum
hours are Thursday and Friday 10 to 4.
Saturday 10 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Admissions
free. And you've got a fly in your work
session.
» I have any questions for Tina?
» Thank you, Tina.
Hold on just a second. Uh, and Dave, I'm
appreciate you being here. Feel free to
jump in here. Believe me, at any time if
you if you've been thinking about some
of these things, especially as we work
on things, if they say it's going to be
something get taken care of after
November, that's going to be something
that'll be on your plate. So, any of
those if you have any comments you want
to make, feel free to jump in there at
any time.
We'll uh we'll we'll work that out. We
don't want to we don't want to leave a a
list of things
that surprise you. There'll be several
things won't be able to be done for a
while. How you doing, uh, Judge
Ammeritus? You you need to address the
commission on anything?
» I was just taking some orders from Kurt.
He had he said he needed he had
something I hadn't done
» And I'm and I'm taking care of it, Kurt.
Notice where notice where Kyle had has a
birthday today. Y'all got his birthday.
[clears throat]
» I'm about to send him I'm about to send
him congratulations. So, he made another
year just like you.
» Amen. And that's always a good sign.
» I'm headed to my daughter's wedding. So,
» Anybody have any funds that they want to
[laughter]
» Imagine that she'll start sending money
to you now.
Yeah,
» She married a lawyer at Bur Foreman up
there. He's just new start. I mean, she
ought to it ought to be okay.
» You know how lawyers are. [laughter]
» Congratulations on getting one off the
payroll.
» You never get them off payroll.
» Okay. Any questions now? Anything for
Tina? Uh
I'm still a little concerned about the
procurement card question, but we'll
talk about that. Is is there anything we
can do quickly? let us know uh to get
that card in. I'd like I hoping we'd
have them in in place [clears throat]
even for travel by October one.
» And we're going to try our best. It's
it's just going to be a process. Um
Okay. Um we've got so many policies and
Kurt might want to speak of this. We've
got so many policies
» That references the county credit card.
» Yeah. I mean, so there's
» You're up next anyway.
» I'm up next anyway. We're scooting up
there where I'm supposed to be at.
Um so there are um
a number of policies. Um
there we go. Um there are a number of
policies that touch um credit cards that
touch um you know the use of the credit
card. I say credit cards that's singular
credit card. But we're moving to the
pecards and so we would just want to get
everything in one place and everything
that touches those things all you know
calm all the tangles out and let's have
one place we look for issues that relate
to that and it there are um a number of
policies there's several resolutions all
that will be impacted that need to be
you know either repealed and or replaced
or you know the content moved somewhere
somewhere else. Um, so it's just going
to be picking all of that stuff apart so
that we don't leave some something
that's already dealt with, you know,
abandoned.
Yeah. So,
» A bunch
» Because it will not cover as broadly as
the old credit card methods we were
using. Is that what we're kind of
finding out?
» It it will not. No. Um, I think I
mentioned the any of this federal money
we get and I'm going to assume it's uh I
I don't know whether it's whether it's
tied in with federal money we get
through uh DOT or not, but let's just
say the million dollars that we've got
in appropriation for the Riverside
Bridge that that can direct
appropriation federal money. There's a
procurement policy on the federal level
and in fact they require states to have
a procurement officer
and I'm not sure it be it probably good
for us to designate somebody as a
procurement officer
» Right
» To keep up with that and and it to me it
would be better if they if they all were
the same rules because he he he may
spend some money that came from a
federal grant or something and spend it
under our rules but if they're different
from the federal procure roots, we would
be in trouble on how we bid it, how we
advertised it, all of those kind of
things.
» Correct.
» So that that
if the commission thinks they can put it
all under the same umbrella as
requirements by the federal rules, it'll
cover us all the way down,
» Right?
» But they may be too restricted. I don't
I don't know how far they go.
» Yes, sir.
» Quite a bit of money comes through.
Well, not just DOT. If we had a a
tornado, that's that that's something
that comes up. how we spend federal
money from FEMA and all those kind of
things just could be a surprise. And if
we're spending it like we were used to
and they didn't they didn't uh uh
correspond with the way the federal
government requires and we have a
problem that wasn't necessarily tied to
the old uh we pretty well know how to
jump through the hoops. We're required
to do this this and this on federal
money but not if it comes off of a card.
That's kind of got me concerned how we
do a card.
So if it can all be matched up, to me it
looks like it'd be simpler. Yes, it may
be more restrictive
than we want to if it's federal, but we
might not mind it being very
restrictive,
» Right? And you know one of the things to
cons you know I think that you know the
simplest thing right now will be just to
deal with just the the procurement card
policy rather than a like a
comprehensive procurement policy across
the board that would you know
» Address everything. um just because the
if if it were a matter of taking some
something somebody else had done and
swapping you know X county and put St.
clear in um you know it it could we
could we could have something ready to
go tomorrow but there's it's tangled up
in a little bit more than that like that
policy that that that was developed
somewhere else was developed in the
context of whatever their history is
that brought them up to this point and
you know they untangled all those knots
or presumably did
» Really I think the first step is the
clearing up the resolutions and the
policies that we have currently in place
that's step one step two may the more
comprehensive uh policy we have about
procurement,
» Right?
» I think we got to do one before we do
the other.
» Makes sense.
» Yes.
» So that's that's um that's where we the
approach we're taking on that.
» Okay. Um
so um
the um
lodging tax we worked through that and
that's ready for
» Today.
» Yes sir. It is. We have that ready to go
today. I don't know.
» Yes. And it's on the agenda. I put it
effective December the 1st to allow our
sales tax coordinator time to get
letters out to all the hotels and motel
if y'all are good with that. The state
requires 60 days
90 days
» And to keep from having to discuss it in
in the meeting as such. Uh
we uh
we want to be sure that any of those
taxes that are passed like that
[cough and clears throat]
like they need to be earmarked in any
way. This money comes directly into the
general fund
» General fund.
» Then the decision on how it's dispersed
comes from whatever commission body is
in place.
» Yes.
» So the only thing really that's changing
on that is just the the rate.
» Correct.
Um,
we've got a um
memorandum of understanding about the
folks from Aaliyah that are moving into
the new Eegis building. Reviewed that,
make few little adjustments to that.
We'll get that sent over to their
council to review and we'll get
wrinkles ironed out of that here. have
that ready to go pretty quick.
» We need to take some legal action on
uh I don't know what kind of hoops we
have to jump through, but I was hoping
we could put Aaliyah's
seal on that building where it used to
say St. Clair, New Zealand
spot on the wall. [clears throat] It was
there. Uh there's an official Aaliyah
seal and I looked it up here the other
day. We
» Talked about it.
» Yes, sir. Aaliyah sent me with a sent me
what they're going to have on their
door.
» That's just on their door.
» Yes, sir. But I talked with Lind Crow.
He got us a quote to put it on the
building as well.
» That's good.
» So, that's in the works.
» I just figured it would might be better
to wait until closer to when they're
going to open over there so people won't
be going over there thinking they're
open.
» You got a good You got a good point. And
then the other way to think about that
is get people as used to as as as used
to it as as quickly as possible. That
that that's where Aaliyah is because one
of our problems here is [clears throat]
Aaliyah does a great job in what they do
and they're overwhelmed just like some
of the things we do. But many people
look at Aaliyah as a county agency.
» So when Aaliyah has problems then it
it's cost the countyy's not handling
problem. So divorcing us from these
other people that's that's not ours is
good. You know, we've always fought for
instance the issue on who are you going
to pay for just something that simple.
So it never ends, you know. So I have an
inclination just put signs all up and
down there. What you see in some
counties county
road maintenance stops here.
They got them all over Jackson County
» Because had the same issue. County road
maintenance stops here. It's it's from
here on in. It's somebody else's. I'm
not going to tell you whose it is, but
it's not ours.
» We'd have to have a thousand signs.
» At least we have to have at least
» But in this case, at least people will
get to know that's not a Slair County
entity. That is Well, another one that
comes to mind, they do great work. They
do good work, but they're not ours. St.
Clair County Health Department is not
ours.
And we get calls and Corey gets called.
They get calls all the time problems
with things that might relate to the St.
Clair County Health Department. And I I
wish that had a big sign over it out
there, you know, state of Alabama,
» Health department, St. Clair County
minor chapter or something, you know,
because that's those those are bigger
issues than we think because they take
up a lot of our time trying to explain
to people the levels of government. I
know it's You'd think by now everybody
would know, but no, they don't. They
don't know at all.
» Uh, so anyway, that's sooner we can put
a sign on that building, the sooner
people will start saying that's a state
agency that'll be moving in that
building. But I see what you're saying.
We don't want them going over there and
stopping. But really, it may be all
right if they go over there and stop. At
least they'll start parking out back.
» That's true.
» I can Lyn's got the quote. We can have
them go over there.
» I would have problem moving forward with
it.
They going to park in the back parking
lot, which is where we was always hoping
they'd park anyway.
» And there are set there assigned parking
places back there. Three or four people.
» Three of them.
» Yeah,
» We can put their memo when they open on
the door as well.
» Okay, that'd be good. Yeah,
I'd like to see this move forward with
Okay.
Um, so I'm reviewing a um I'm looking at
a contract for the um community
corrections issue about the um ankle
monitors. Um it's my understanding that
the county is
identified as the customer for that. Um,
and I'm my
inference is that um that that's just
because of community corrections
function and their um how they're
organized here in our county. Um
but anyway, I'm looking at that contract
and uh that'll be circulated here pretty
quick. I didn't have a chance to tell
you, but I talked with Judge Weather
Team this morning and they're going to
have a board meeting corrections
» Next week so we can put this on another
work session and they're going to review
the contract.
» I see. Okay.
» We can bring it back up at our next work
session.
» Okay.
um
the um
flow forward initiative the um
requesting information from the water
correct the GIS mapping um thatou is um
I've gone back through that and I think
that's ready to be distributed to the
authorities for their [clears throat]
acceptance if they choose to
» Sir
» Good luck
with that.
» Yes, sir.
» They're not going to understand
this for years and years and years. The
engineers that they have don't want us
to do this. They want to control who
knows where all those lines are.
They're on our highway,
» Right?
» And uh and they're agencies that we
created, most of them. Uh, so we we
probably need to do a lot more
communications to those people for them
to know this is not a threat. We don't
want to tell them anybody where the
valves are located or any of that sort
of thing. But when we do a when we do an
application for a grant for instance,
uh, we have to turn in information such
as low to moderate income, the density
of low to moderate income, where they
are. uh we have to we have to do a lot
of things that if we already had that in
a box somewhere the mapping of those
lines for instance u
that really help us move on forward
moving money into these systems and
that's just going to be an education
problem for a long time
» But we are fighting against the maybe
not a good term our our resistance I
think comes mostly from their engineers
they want hold on to that information
like it's proprietary and some of it is
but some of it's not. So that's just
going to be a long time long time thing
that's something D can straighten out.
It's just it's only it's only a 30-year
problem. Uh [clears throat]
that's that we're we're trying to map
where all the infrastructure is for
water systems and uh a lot of reasons we
we don't have that in our mapping
system. Well, our individual water
systems are saying, "Yeah, we don't want
to give that to y'all."
Wait a minute. First of all, it's
probably public record. We get it if we
make it. We don't we don't want that
kind of relationship with them. But but
some of that's because they just don't
understand. We're not trying to get it
for any nefarious reason. We We need
that information for good things. But
that's going to take a while to explain.
Maybe a maybe a seminar with water
systems a couple times a year or
something like that. I don't know.
That's something that uh Commissioner M
said he was going to handle.
» Yes, I'll take care of a case point
would be just what we discussed last
week. You know, we were talking about
possibly crossing into cross that river.
» Yeah.
» And we have no earthly idea where where
we would tap,
you know, that would be something
beneficial.
» Where to start digging?
» Washington DC to ask for some grant
money for that. It's good to have a map
showing where where we can cross the
river to to legally tap on.
» And I talked to Tommy Bowers on that
subject. He said power companies okay
that crossing years ago. You're aware of
that?
» It is. Yeah. We've got a we've got an
approved crossing in a box, but that may
not be one crossing.
» No. No.
Where that would come in handy?
» Yeah.
» And if I get that letter, I talk to New
London.
» Yeah. They'll be okay with it.
» Okay.
» Good.
» I feel like they will. Yes, sir. I guess
if we if we could
we probably need to talk to Brian Price
of he can communicate instead of in his
technical manner some way or another we
just communicate that that it's
shouldn't be a threatening thing for
them. Give us whatever you give us but
give us something
» Give us where your lines are located you
know and do they run through pine woods
that that kind of thing.
That'd be good if we had all that in one
» Right. It's not just municipal, it's not
just the water systems there. It's some
municipalities, too. But that's going to
be up to their engineers,
» Right?
» For sure.
Um and then
with the exception of you had uh
commissioner uh chairman, you had asked
um about the to do some research about
the amendment 909.
Uh I'm happy to speak about that now or
we can talk about it in the meeting time
especially before I before I get going
into retirement. Uh and it's also
something that that
other people will need to know
and day what your what your options are.
So what's that what does that amendment
say? Well, so
it was enacted as um a way for um local
governments to be able to make decisions
without having to amend the
constitution. Um we're
under the Dillan's rule which is u from
the late 1800s and uh basically says
local government you only have the
authority that that the state gives you.
So, um what amendment 909 did
um was say here's the authority to act
in these five ways and there's a list of
five different thing categories
basically that of um types of
um
matters that
you can
establish programs under those headings.
um and there's a procedure that's that
you required to follow to um be able to
act in this way. So the five areas have
to do with personnel,
um litter and animal control, public
transit and road safety,
um county offices, so like elected
officials and their roles, and then um
emergency assistance.
Um Uh this topic came up in the context
of
um possibly doing some sort of um you
know retirement party if you have a
county employee that's going to retire
um and you know there there may be a way
forward to do something like that. The
ACCA has some materials about some um
you know jump start for um you know
employee recognition um and safety sort
of things that um that you could put
together. Um so there's some folks that
are doing things. I found some
information um that where Coleman had
done Coleman County had done some
um enacted something pursuant to
amendment 909 but um the procedure that
has to be followed is and you went
through it when we were here last but
» Doesn't it say in there you can that the
local body can restrict it as restricted
as you want. You don't have to adopt
everything it says you you may do,
» Right? You can adopt bits and pieces and
and restrict them. For instance,
» Uh when staff has to buy a frame for uh
a certificate
of recognition for someone
uh we have a problem paying for the
frame. So we have a tendency to run down
to Walmart and pay 99 cents. Is that we
got that straight? Can we pay that
straight down?
» Can we pay anything we want to?
It's limit. I mean,
» I mean, we can't go spend hundreds of
dollars on one, I'm sure, but we can get
decent looking. We pay a little bit more
than 99, but um
» And and the the certificate itself, I
mean, we print them off of our computer
in the office, and it may be something
this something that uh
» You've got an entity that's been working
for the county for a long time.
uh and and they need rec they're going
to get recognition
» Honor that and recognize them for that
» With a with a professionally printed
certificate
and instead of I we do a good job but
not what it could be if it were done
through some entity that printed off of
better stock. It's not just a flimsy
piece of paper
» That that starts out at that and it goes
all the way up to where you could pay
for the retirement party for a retiring
judge.
» Right. Well, right now we can't pay for
cake or any type of food for a
retirement party. So,
» So somewhere in there, do you want to
pay for the cake? You know, I think in
909 there may be a place in there for
» But you can't buy you can't buy him a
car,
» Right?
» Yeah.
» That's the restriction. You going to
give him a car as a gift for his
retirement, you know.
So, but the state had to go through some
pretty big hoops when I retired from the
state and they gave me my pistol and my
badge. Isn't that a crazy thing?
Policeman's going to retire and you give
him his pistol and his badge. Well, he's
not going to shoot anybody, arrest
anybody anymore. He's retiring. Won't
just give me my county, my state truck.
You know, that's kind of what I suggest.
That didn't go very, but that's sort of
what fits in this category. What do you
want to what do you want to do for
recognition? That was one of the areas
we really run into a problem with.
uh
let's say u
a longstanding person in the counties
uh
does it cover for instance buying
flowers for a funeral? Well, so my
reading of it, and it's, you know, kind
of the 30,000 foot view. Um, I haven't
drilled down on it very far, but, um, my
read is that it's it gives you a
mechanism to establish a program. So,
like a manner of dealing with this topic
rather than here's Joe Smith that's
retiring. let's go by his picture frame
for the certificate. Um, so it's not
that specific. I mean, maybe it could
be. Um, it's, you know, I mean, it's
it's broad. There's it covers a lot of
lot of ground. Um,
so
» That something to be aware of. We've had
option to do to use that amendment uh
for many years and we've never done it
and a lot of counties have because we're
afraid of it. What kind of door are you
opening up?
» Pandora's box.
» Not necessarily. That's what I'm saying
is we shouldn't be afraid of it being
Pandora's box if we set conditions. I
think we can set some real strict
conditions where you can't open that
box. you can only do these things which
is at least better than what you can do
now which is almost nothing in those
situations. You can't spend public money
on those kind of private things. Um so
u
anyway I think it's valuable to know
about it and and and bring it up every
once in a while. Missions change and you
may want may want to talk about it
again. How how do we handle this? It not
only helps commissioners make a
decision, it helps staff make a
decision. How we going? Golly, we sure
we sure would like to be able to send a
spray of flowers to the funeral.
And used to we paid for it. You think
it'd be simple. Why don't we just use
the money out of the coke machines in
the hallway because it's against the
law. We used to do that. We used to take
profit out of the Coke machines and
candy machines in the basement and put
that into a flower. We used to call it
the flower fund, didn't we?
» Yes, sir.
» Yeah. We can't do that. The auditor said
you cannot do that, but you can use 909,
I think, to do that. And I don't think
anybody's saying you shouldn't do that.
» No, I don't think so.
» So, you got an option to do that, but
you can make it.
Commissioner uh Parker's right. It could
be something. You open the door, next
thing you know, lots of money flowing
through. But that's that's us. That's up
to us. We can close the door, I think,
about as tight as we want to close it.
» Yeah.
Well, the you know it it wouldn't have
been enacted if it didn't serve some
interest locally and at the state level
too. And so the at the state level it
cut down on how many constitutional
amendments? I mean we had the longest
constitution in the world the world.
» This says something you know that that's
how you have to operate to get business
done. So I mean this is a good solution
» We choose to
» Right
» And it can solve some problems that I
think [clears throat]
have until we till we adopt it.
» Yes.
» Thank you.
» Yes sir.
» All right. Any questions for Kirk?
» Thank you.
» Okay. Moving on now in our work session.
Go back to Dean. He's here
» Up. I didn't see him come in. I saw
» Come on, Dave.
» Come on up here. Dean Go forth. Dean Go
forth is uh
» The Sinclair County Airport Authority
» And um he uh in fact he he one of the
one of the ways he kind of presented
that he would be interested in serving
on that authority was that he would like
to give annual updates to the county
commission which formed the St. Clair
County Airport Authority. Uh and and so
we know what's going on out there and
they know what we're doing and and try
to try to have some connection between
the county commission and the airport
authority. We we appreciate your
willingness to serve and your
willingness to go this other step to to
literally physically get some
interaction between the two because the
airport is a very valuable and what's
what's its value? What do you think that
place would cost if you had to build one
today? that that is not a small a small
idea out there. Uh so we appreciate the
work that that you're doing on that
board and it can spend a lot of money
quickly
in certain ways. So y'all have a printed
report from Dean and the floor is yours.
[clears throat] We're I sent some late
» I didn't get those printed. I just saw
them.
» Okay. To them later. I brought a copy in
case I want to hand it out. So first I
want to say thank you. Thank you for the
opportunityvious. Obviously, I love to
fly and I've got a plane there, too. But
I'm really interested in making sure
that we
for the all y'all know me and I tend to
see things not just from a having fun
standpoint, but from probably many times
a business perspective. So, I want to
tell you a quick story real quick.
[clears throat] My first meeting,
they thought I was a spy.
I'm I we I knew there was a disconnect
because we talked about it and you guys
challenged me with bridge that gap, find
out what's going on because we really
don't interact and we don't communicate.
Um so we were in our first meeting. It
was I decided I was just going to keep
my mouth shut and listen, which is
sometimes hard for me. You don't say
anything, David. [laughter]
» I've never done that, David, by the way.
» Um
and
about threequarters of the way through
the meeting. I know Erskin, I know Ly, I
know Ed. I didn't know I I just said I
knew Wendy because I got a plane there.
And we started talking about some things
and I said, "Well, let me help you
understand why I'm here. one, I've got a
relationship with the commission, with
each one of them, the chairman and every
one of the commissioners, and everybody
supports what we're doing here at the
airport, but nobody really understands
what we're doing and why we're doing it
because nobody's communicating to the
commission from the board. Um, I'm here
to one understand what we're doing as an
airport authority and how do we interact
and what value do we bring to this
county? It's one thing from a business
perspective for me to say we're growing.
Everybody knows it. This county is
growing and there's a lot of growth to
come. What a lot of people don't know is
the value of that airport and and what
kind of really gem it is for us. So, the
more we talked, I've known Ed for a long
time. He knows my story and other things
that that I've done. And he looked at me
and he said, "I think you're the missing
link." I said, "Did you just call me a
Neanderthal?"
» [laughter]
» He said, he said, "No, you've got the
relationships with the commission and
now being on our airport authority and
we really feel like you can help us
rebuild that relationship." That's
really what I want to say. That's the
most important thing I want to say to
y'all today is that the airport
authority is extremely interested in
making sure that we rebuild that
relationship. We share information.
Sometimes I need to be quiet because
they said, "Would you be that person?"
And I was like, "Okay." Because I like
building relationships. All that said,
one of the things that I think you guys
probably knew is in my first report, it
would be pretty extensive, right? I
believe if I'm going to if you if you
challenge me to do something, I want to
do the best job I can. So, the first
thing I want to do is say thank you very
much for the opportunity because I do
feel like this is going to be a new
partnership that's g that's going to
help everyone. Um,
I'll just start with with the things
that I have on my agenda. There's a few
things I left off that I I'll give you,
too. But, um, if you just look at the at
the economic
impact report, and I think everybody
should have a copy of that. You may not
had because it was late yesterday when I
sent it, but if you get a minute, look
at that because it demonstrates
something I didn't even know. Stan, you
asked a minute ago, what's that airport
really worth?
millions [laughter]
uh and the impact that it has here and
what I see is the future not just based
on this but based on the growth of
industry and businesses and people and
more and more people want to come and
use this regional airport as opposed to
going to Birmingham because like David
Johnson and I were talking about the
other day, you can't land in Birmingham
or park your plane without worrying
about a bullet going through it. I mean,
it's crazy. um we're in the sweet spot
for growth. So, there's a lot of things
that that we can do from that
perspective. Um grants, the first thing
I did was was visit with Candace Hill
and she's very interested because I said
to her, "Can you explain to me why
Bessemer got $4 million and we didn't?
Did Katie come visit? Did we bring
people here when we were applying for
those grants? And if so, why didn't we
why weren't we successful?" So that
tells me there's money available. She
said, "I'm very interested. If the
commission so desires and and economic
development says I can do it, I want to
help." So, and she's gained a lot of
experience over the years, as you guys
already know, especially working working
I sound like a country pumpkin donut,
working on grants and things like that.
So, I'm excited about that. The other
thing uh that we all talked about is
currently for whatever reason and and I
chose not to go down the rabbit hole and
create an adversarial
situation between people on the board
that may or may not have the answer, but
I said, "Can you explain to me why our
sheriff is putting our helicopters in
Tallaladega County? Can somebody help me
understand that?" Well, there was a
couple of different thoughts behind how
that happened, but the end result is
they very much want the sheriff to have
a place at the airport.
Um, I looked at some information from
2023.
I don't know that that's the budget that
we need to work off of, which is why I
put the request in here for the
sheriff's budget. He's expressed he
wants to move, but nobody really knows
what's that going to cost. And I think
we need to explore. We've already
identified the land that we can use. So,
I think the next step is what what are
the next steps? Um,
» Really?
» Okay. That's not for me to decide. I'm
just [laughter]
[clears throat]
» Well, I guess my answer to that is
that's for the commission to decide.
[laughter]
» That end up being the sheriff's
decision.
» That's okay.
» Well, I'm not going to get in the middle
of that.
» [laughter]
» Um, I guess I could go either way.
Everybody's got their opinion on, you
know, aviation and things that you could
do. One of the things that sheriff and I
talked about was it's it's also about
housing their drones and things like
that as that department grows. The other
thing I would add is having the
sheriff's department there opens up the
door for tons of grant monies that are
also available at the state and federal
levels. Um, I know that you guys go to
Washington on a regular basis and part
of the list that you've got in here, I
provided some information that was sent
to Joey. I've talked to him. I've talked
to Bob. I've talked to you. I Ricky and
Jeff, I really talked to you before I
went on the board, but I hadn't seen you
and been able to share what I'm sharing
with you now. Um, so I think that's
another venue that we can or avenue that
we can look at for seeking funds and
money. But if you don't go to the
government with a plan or an idea of why
you need it, they're just going to look
at you and say, "Give me some details."
But if we go with a plan, nine out of 10
times they'll say, "Yes, especially when
it comes to aviation, law enforcement,
and those kind of things." Um,
recent paving expense, I put that in
there. That was uh what I'm trying to do
is help you understand or see some of
the expenses related to the operation of
the airport. itself. I didn't come today
and I did put some dollar amounts in
here of some requests because I know
we're looking at budgets, but they've
never really come and demonstrated to
you why or what what we do with the
money. One of the questions was, well,
the the commission used to
uh
allot a certain amount of money, but we
don't know why anymore. I said, why do
we know? Well, we we don't know. Well,
it's because nobody's been in here to
ask you.
Now, they're now they're going to ask.
are going to give you the information so
that you can make a good business
decision on an asset that you own
inside the county. Um, but I just wanted
you to see some of the that was an
expense that just came up there. We're
building a lot of new hangers there. And
by the way, every single one of them are
already spoken for when we get them
open. How how wonderful is that? I mean,
that tells you what kind of demand that
every hanger that we're currently
building is going to be occupied when
it's finished. Well, while the paving
people were there, we identified an area
on the on the other on the back side, as
I like to call it, of all the hangers
that's just terrible. So, they agreed to
give us a pretty good price since
they're going to be on site to do that,
too. So, we said yes. Um,
[clears throat] capital expenditures. I
think I included that with the email
that Ike sent to Joey just to give you
I'm not here to say, "Hey, we need to
spend all this money." I I wanted you to
see that so that you can start to
develop how we how do we go to con our
Washington start to say Congress. How do
we go to Washington and ask for uh
monies to help us and how do we help
them understand why we need it? How do
we go to the state? We talked about at
the state level there's a whole
department that I don't know that we
really have that relationship with that
if we develop it what's available to us.
Um,
the next thing was insurance costs. Now,
I've warned the chairman's ear out about
this because I really don't understand
during Mr. Manning's tenure used to all
the insurance for the airport authority
was covered under the county. I don't
know why or who or why the decision was
made, but it was pulled out and they are
now bearing the full expense.
um you ask what the prop what the value
of it is in that insurance information
that I gave you. One of it is property
insurance and it lists all the values
all the different buildings. So it gives
you a good idea from that perspective
but then also some of the information
that I provided and has been provided
previously uh will outline things that
we're going to have to do. One of the
things that I'm going to give you in a
minute and she can print for you is our
inspection uh from aviation earlier this
year. We we passed and they said your
license is acceptable. However, there's
some things that we need you to do. We
may need some help doing some of those.
I can't stand here today and tell you
how much. I just wanted you to be
prepared that they may send me back to
say, can you see if they can help with
some of this?
» Yeah. And if I could start with that,
let's go with the insurance one while
I've got it on my mind.
» Please. But I met with Sunny Bradfield,
the executive director of the
Association of Counties, and that's
where our insurance through. I think uh
» County reserve
» All but about all but about six counties
in the state have their their property
insurance and all through the
association of counties. We're
self-insured. It's a multi-million
dollar self-insured insurance company.
Uh during the actuary portion every
year, we have a report from an actuarial
company that gives us recommendations on
what's affecting our policy costs,
what's the county paying for our
insurance, and what's making it go up
and what's, you know, what can we do to
keep it stabilized or make it go down.
One of the things making it go up were
what somebody called uh uh things other
than county direct county uh services or
direct county property. Uh for instance,
airports was one. We've had we had
counties that had fairies.
» Had what?
» Fairies. They run ferry across the
river.
[laughter]
» I was worried.
They were running fairies across the
river. Well, what's the what's the
liability of a ferry?
» It depends on what kind of ferry and do
you have cars with people in them and
what? So, it was affecting the rate the
overall rate for what the association
county commissions could provide
insurance to the individual counties. Uh
so it didn't during Commissioner
Manning's term. It wasn't he didn't have
anything to do with that, but it was
during his term the association stopped
paying anything other than direct county
affiliation. It took them all out
fairies not not too and uh uh airports
and removed them. Now,
in all likelihood,
talking to Sunny, we were getting that
insurance
at a much lower rate
through our insurance program. Maybe why
they took it out. Then the airport has
gone out into the private marketplace
and got their own insurance because it
went up tenfold. He said we were paying
yada yada about that. He said for
instance Charles airport it have a
value. What's the liability? What kind
of equipment do you have? Do you have a
ALS system? Do you have what kind of
systems do you have at the airport that
you got to maintain? You know and and
and and where are those liable for
instance liable for that to be damaged
or liable to to cause a plane to not
land properly? uh the lighting for
instance all all that's it's measured
according to what the more you offer at
the airport the more not just physical
asset the more liability you have so
factoring that in they took airports out
the association county commission's
liability insurance does not uh
we can't even give them I said can we
pay extra no to the actuarial study said
best thing to do
unless they're listed in your name, take
them out.
So, that's where that came from. Now,
we could probably pay from the county's
money because we took them out. It
probably in the long run saved us money
because of the liability causing the
overall actuary to say your insurance is
going up. So, we saved a little money
taking it out. So, we could give that to
the airport and and and break even. we
would we would uh would be made whole.
So, what was that figure? Well, let's
just say that figure would be uh $4,200
a year for a policy.
Uh
go out to the private marketplace and
the airport authority in individual
counties are now paying $20,000 for a
policy that used to be costing us 4,000
and something because in the private
marketplace there's very little
bargaining. It's every what kind of
relationship that the person making the
decision at the airport or the ferry or
wherever has with the local insurance
agent and sometimes they'll charge you
more money
» Because they can some of that has
happened. So within that how much how
much uh interaction between the airport
people making that decision and the
county commission does the commission
want? In other words, if we let's just
say we're going to cover that 42 thou
$4,300 for insurance policy out of our
uh out of our coffers, out of our
revenue stream. Uh we be basically
breaking even because it didn't go up
that amount.
The relationship starts breaking down
though when there's no communication
between we're going to burn $200 and now
you're paying 20. we know y'all need to
give us 20 if we don't have any
influence or any kind of interaction
between who chooses what insurance
agent. That's kind of where that came
apart. Well, you know, leave it alone.
So, the best thing to do is give a pool
of money to the airport based on certain
figures. And I see Commissioner Crowback
there, revenue commissioner, and he's
very aware of this.
Every airplane, as I understand it, uh,
every airplane owner has to pay personal
property tax.
» When the county first started
interacting with the airport on some
money, uh, the uh the airport manager at
that time came to me and he said, "We
have got a lot of," this was years ago,
20 years ago, "We got a lot of airplanes
out at the airport that they got chains
on the door and and uh, your revenue
commissioner What's in there?
Why didn't it? Because the door's
locked. Well, just unlock it. Well, we
don't have a key. It belongs to the
owner that has has the has a lease. What
kind of planes in there? I don't know.
It may be a broke down Cessna 150 or it
may be a Citation jet. I don't know.
Well,
what what you what you think it's worth?
Well, at that time, we wasn't bringing
in but literally a couple thousand
dollars a year in advoc.
So, we gave we said, "How about we give
you everything that y'all bring in for
airplanes,
whatever the county would get out of
airplanes, we give all that to the
airport." And that's what we did for
several years. Well, it it
within the first couple of years, it
went from like $2,500 or whatever it was
up to pushing 10 because now we know
what airplanes are in there and the the
the appraisers going out there and can
get in the door. Why can they get in the
door? Because you got to give the
airport manager and the airport board a
key to get in that. It's their hanger.
So they open the door, let you see
whether it's assessed on 150 or
citations yet. Now you can go in there
and based on the records from the
revenue commissioner's office, we can
assess a tax.
And so that worked pretty good for a
while,
but what what happened was just like the
all the rest of the growth in Slair
County, the airport now has probably as
many jets out there as they got system
150s. It's not that much, but it's it's
really grown in the value of the
airplanes. So, not only did we find a
lot more airplanes out there, uh, not
only did we find that we had a lot of
airplanes, we found some hangers that
had airplanes that didn't fly and hadn't
flown in 30 years. And they had the
airplane pushed over here in the corner
and they were running their air
conditioning business out of that hanger
because it was cheaper to pay the
airport that little bit of airport rent
than it was to go into Pel City and run
a building.
So we had like 10 businesses being run
out of the airport that had nothing to
do with airplanes. So that let the
airport board close all that down. You
cannot run a business out if you don't
have a flyable airplane or an airplane
that can be maintained and put in flying
shape certain amount of time. They've
got a rule now. Well, now then you got
airplanes in there that the revenue
commissioner sends his people out and
they put a value on them and that just
kept going up. How much is it now?
» The taxes we draw for abl taxes for
airplanes. St. Clair County received
about 4041,000
» $41,000 now.
» Soish.
» Yeah. So, let's just say we were giving
the airport authority $41,000.
» Well, now it breaks now it goes back to
breaking down. You know, we're giving
them $41,000, but they're paying $20,000
for insurance that we used to get for
five.
We need to set a value of what we
thought the insurance was worth and put
that in with whatever money we give the
airport. I think that would solve that.
you you got to shop your insurance. You
can't just say, "Okay, we got all the
money we can burn on that. We can spend
it." So, that that covers whatever
happened there. The other thing that
happened there was the uh
grant applications for
the grants for federal money for
airports. Every year there there are
transportation
monies through the FAA given out for
different things at airports. And the
FAA would like to have more and more
uh
better approach equipment and you know
better lighting all that kind of stuff.
Better runways, better taxi ways. Uh so
they give you money. That is the best
grant money other than a 100% grant that
we have. It's a 95%.
You get 95%. Let's say it's a $100,000
grant. You get 95% of it for a 5% match.
all it cost. Well, the state to
incentivize airport authorities to do it
was was paying two and a half% of it if
the county pay the other two and a
half%. Our city some cities own
airports. So that incentivized
airport authorities. We need to go after
that money. It's almost free. In fact,
it is free to us. We don't have to pay
anything. County pays two and a half and
the state pays two and a half and we get
the grant. So that worked really well
for a long time. Uh that money's moved
around. has different figures. I think
there's still 955% money out there, but
I don't know that I I hadn't been
involved in as a chairman. I don't know
what they've asked for in grants had to
come across my plate. Used to those all
came across my plate because we were
going to pay the 5 and a half% or two
and a half%.
Then we added that in what why the
miscommunication started is we just said
instead of giving them money percentage
for that grant, they take it out of this
tax money that keeps growing.
So all right now along comes new
chairman, new government and the
airport. Now uh it today we'd be getting
41,000 if we were doing it like we used
to without any discussion from the
county commission or government. And if
we kept doing it that way, there'd be
plenty of money out there. But there
wouldn't be a whole lot of incentive if
you had that kind of money laying out
there to to shop your insurance benefit
for instance. Wouldn't be a lot of
incentive to
to go after some of the grant money. If
you had any money coming in,
it did it just came apart in in the way
the function of the airport needed the
money. They didn't need the money as
much as they used to. And it's getting
even more so. If you're fueling up a
bunch of jets that uses, you know, 50
gallons an hour to fly, then then
you're making money because that's
that's the only way they make money out
there is selling fuel and renting
hangers.
» That's that's the only way. They don't
have a landing fee that a lot of
airports have,
» Right? A lot of them have land ramp fees
and all that stuff. The only other way
that there's any money coming in is that
adalorm tax on the airplane and that's
the money comes to us at 41,000 and and
yes, we can decide how to spend it. We
even encourage pale city for instance.
That's just the county's money. Avalor
taxes goes to the county, the
municipality where it's collected,
school system, you know, if ever why why
would anybody get any extra money out of
the airport if you're not affiliated
with the airport? just give it all the
airport. If everybody do that, then
there'd be plenty of money rolling out
there. The school money that goes, it'd
all go to the airport. Uh I don't think
that'll ever happen, but that's the
story of how it happens. That's that's
the rules of how this money moves
around. So, right now, we're sitting on
$41,000
that we could go back like we used to
and give all that money that collected
through the revenue office to the
airport. Yet, the sheriff can't put his
helicopters out there.
Here we go. That's
Literally, that's the way the discussion
has been. We're We got to pay the
sheriff's helicopter bill somewhere, and
if we're not paying it out of the
airport, we're going to take it out of
the money that would normally have gone
there.
» In my in my mind, if if through the
sheriff's office, we're able to get a
grant to build a hanger that you can use
not just for drones, helicopters, or
planes, but the county is going to own
it. I did a couple of things, too. Um,
can I approach?
» Oh, sure.
So, this is one of the things I asked.
» We're not like uh judges and and mayors.
I just wanted to make sure we get abused
a lot more.
» That that don't ask me any questions. I
didn't bring my glasses. [clears throat]
» But I wanted you to see they're they're
attempting to look at their financials
because every month
[laughter]
Thank you. every month when we meet.
Now, this is a a condensed version of
the financials and kind of what we got
going on, where the money is, um, etc.,
etc. So, I wanted you to see that. Um, I
am currently shopping the insurance.
Some of it, I think the general
liability renews in November, and the
other
in February or March, I don't know. The
biggest one is a $38,000 one on all the
property coverage for everything out
there. The other one seems to be a
pretty good price for the coverage. But
I've got uh one of my folks that I've
worked with a lot at insurance agent
shopping it and they're pretty
they're pretty big. So I'm hoping that I
can identify something better going
forward from a cost standpoint. If
nothing else, I'm going to negotiate
with the people that we currently have
it with and see what we need to do. I
don't know what our deductibles are. I
need to read through that. So there's
some more research I need to do and I
got a little bit of time to do that. But
I wanted you to be able to see by
providing you with copies what the
expenses actually are. It's one thing
for me to stand here and tell you that.
It's another thing when I can show it to
you, right, and prove not that I have to
pro you already trust me, but I wanted
to validate. The other thing I did and I
asked if we we've talked about um
ownership. Here's the legal
documentation. The way I read it, the
county commission owns the airport
authority. Now, I'm not the legal guy.
Y'all are. I don't know how that works.
The only reason that's
» He's our legal guy.
» Well, the only reason that's important
to me is we talked about grants a while
ago, and sometimes the grants are are
given based on that. So, if there's a
way that we can tie things together that
open the door for us to go after grant
monies as a combined entity, then that's
» I understand. The only thing we do out
there, we just point this. It's only
control we have over the airport. We
point the board.
» Well, but that's up to us. We could put
we could have done more than we have.
» Uh
we did give them the land. You probably
got that document. I've seen that
document one time. There's a we we the
county government deed the property out
there and it's what 140 acres, 16 acres,
whatever it is. Uh it belongs to the
authority.
Uh
» But the commission owns the authority if
I'm reading the documentation.
» Yes. Correct.
» And the commission can there again get
my using my Jeff State legal degree.
If if we appoint an authority and they
don't owe any bond issues or over
overriding debt, we can claim that the
reason we appointed it was repurposes
have been met and we have no purpose for
it anymore. It's been met and we can
dissolve it.
The the big thing holding us to not
being able to dissolve a waterboard is
if they owe money, which almost always
do.
» They always do.
» Yeah. But same thing with the airport.
So if the airport's doing great job and
spend all their money and and they don't
have any debt, then I think the way the
law is set up for the appointing
authority that set up the authority, it
occur something about we can we can just
dissolve it if there's no financial
reason that we have to keep
That's so oversimplified.
» I'm not advocating that.
» No, nobody I don't think we would be.
The only
» Job of course I don't get paid
» Sense at one time when we really got off
into the weeds on that was that the
county and the city of Pel City may be
joined together like they do in some
jurisdictions where city appoints half
the board, the county appoints half the
board. We had that discussion. Well, how
would we do that? Well, the county would
dissolve the airport authority. then we
would reconstitute it as a airport
authority that the city and the county
had the appointments that that could be
done but that just somewhere know that
gives you an idea of what can be done
out there in that respect the airport is
to me has always been really important
Dr. John Eagerton was the was the head
of the state aviation thing through the
the Department of Transportation and he
was he was very active with counties.
He'd come see me and he'd come see
commissioners and have lunch with people
and they just did that all the time. I
mean had a airplane free airplane to
flew all over the state and just visit
people and he kept us up to date on the
grants those kind of things. uh
that that process has not been in place
since he left. It's not as much
interaction between ever. I don't even I
can't tell you who today is is the uh
state the person with the state
department of transportation over
airports. I don't know who it is, but
that that's where we got a lot of our
our uh uh ideas and our uh guidance
counseling is from that particular
person. So that a lot of things happened
during that time and uh I used to go to
meetings all the time and commissioners
some of the commissioners used to go and
it's it's my fault I don't go I could
have gone to any meeting out there I
want to well it's one of those things
where okay I got plenty of meetings to
go to that seems to be running fine
and uh it was until I get back and find
out well the sheriff can't put a
helicopter out there because of this
business. So that's what we're trying to
pull back together, of course, but
within that is the money. And I was
surprised you say that the the insurance
just on the liability insurance,
» The general liability is 3,800
» And the other is 38,000.
» Oh. 38,000. That's the reason I was
burning you up.
» Yeah.
» Was when I saw that I was like, this is
ridiculous.
» Yeah. Now, we've got a lot of assets out
there, but how can it be $38,000 a year?
So,
» And are we and are we insuring some
assets that uh people that's got planes
out there benefit from?
» There may be there may be some things
that if you got if you're getting that
kind of benefit out of protection of
your airplane, you ought to be paying
more for your hanger rent.
» They went up and I've got an airplane
out there. So,
» You don't want to go. [laughter]
We went up last year. We did because
costs are increasing. Here's what I
would say. The board that's there now is
doing Ed. Lyall worries about money a
lot. If y'all know Lyall, he's and that
and he'll tell you that every time we
talk about something, it's like, okay,
do we have the money to do that? Should
we do that? So, that's great. So, we got
a good mix of people on the board. Ike
Newton sold his business last year, and
that's pretty much his hobby. And he and
Wendy are at the airport every day, and
I think they do a pretty good job. him
from a volunteer standpoint. Her
» As the as it has Yeah. I mean, so I
think we've got a good team. My proposal
to the commission is let's combine
forces and let's run this airport
together as a team, not as separate. I'm
not advocating that we get rid of the
airport authority. What I'm saying is
the airport authority is there to serve
you and to serve this county. and we I'm
going to be here on a regular basis
updating you on what's going on. I I
don't have the information on the grants
and the hangers, but I'll come back with
that so that you know u my message is
they're they want to interact with the
commission and they want to work
together. And it's not just about can
they get $41,000 in in revenue from Ken.
It it's [laughter] now if you want to
write a check for more, we'll take it.
It's it's they're contributing,
right? The money all comes to the county
commission and you control it. They're
doing some some good things to try to
stabilize and support themselves. So,
I'm not here to say, "Well, you write
them a check for half a million dollars
every year." I just wanted you to see
what some of the expenses are. We're in
the process of looking at budgets. Let's
forge a new relationship, identify
things that you guys can help with
because it is aviation is one of the
fastest growing industries, especially
private aviation and things like
extending the runway. I say little
things. There's a cost to it, but
there's grants available for it that you
guys know the the ropes on probably much
better than me. My job is to prepare you
with the documentation that you need so
that next time something comes up, it's
not Bessemer, it's Fail City that's
getting the $4.5 million. That's what my
job is. So, thank you very much for the
opportunity. Um, I hope it hadn't been
too much information and I know I was
only on there for 15 minutes. So,
» Yeah, we we were ahead.
» Yeah.
» Yeah. We appreciate you doing it. I
mean, we, you know, I've been sitting on
his commission six, seven years. It's
first time I've ever seen any kind of
reports from airport.
» And part of that part of that since I've
been here is my fault. I I probably
should have been going to meetings and
get in and staying caught up and I
hadn't I don't think I've been to one
board meeting since I've been back four
years ago. Like I say,
» This I got plenty to do. It's just a
pretty busy job. Uh but this is a pretty
important entity of county government.
The statement was made by Dr. Ingerton
big meeting.
By the way, only a few counties have an
airport. That's why the county's
insurance program doesn't furnish the
insurance anymore because not all
counties furnish it. So you you had to
do the actuary with the seven or eight
counties that have an airport and the
other 40 said we don't we don't want we
don't want that affecting our age. We
don't have an airport. That kind of
thing. So that's part of the issue. But
one of the things he pointed out, we've
always been compared somewhat to Coleman
for instance. Coleman is a very fast
growing hot spot. has been there for
years and they're just now finding out
how important their airport is. Dr. Eman
made this this statement. An airport
sitting out there is not the the thing
that that if an industry's moved in
here, seldom is an industry moving in
here says, "Oh, wow. Y'all got an
airport. I can land my airplane there."
He says, "Most the industries that you
recruit says, "Someday my industry be
big enough that I can have our airplane
and y'all got an airport." They're
looking for that success level. And if
you've got a good airport, that's an
industry recruiting, too. If you don't,
not saying, "Well, y'all don't even have
an airport." No, but someday we're going
to be good enough where we will, we're
going to have us a citation jet. And and
that's what helps bring it in. Now, in
the meantime, with our growth with
WKW and all these kind of things, the
airplanes landing out there, I live in
the flight path, my submission. There's
more and more we do. My my business does
business with Publix and I'm telling you
they fly in and out. Walmart
» Twin engine big twin.
» They're looking for places they can land
and people don't know there
» Jets. I mean there's a whole lot of $5
million plus airplanes land out there
every day.
» Um real real quick, this is another
asset that you guys own. You can you you
it's the Big Canoe Creek Preserve.
We're going to they're going to do a
better job of coming in and telling you
what all they've been doing. They've got
a ton of grants. Doug Morrison's done an
outstanding job at developing
relationships with the state. They've
never been in here, I don't think, and
asked for any money. Sprinkle's been
supporting the majority of that. This is
a fundraiser for the preserve. Right.
It's going to be at Homestead Hollow.
It's on September the 12th. All the
proceeds go back into the foundation to
help offset and pay some of the grant
matches that we have. Um, I'm gonna
bring Doug in, let him elaborate more.
He's much better than I am at talking
about those grants and ecological, which
you very well know. So, I think you
could probably chime in on some of that.
But I wanted you to know this is
something that that we haven't done a
good job of making sure that this
commission, who is one of the owners,
understands what's going on out there.
But I've asked Doug and Candace to get
together and put some things together to
come in and and explain to you the
grants, how much, what's going on, so
you know what this asset is actually
doing for you as a commission. So this
is on the 12th. If you want to come,
please come. If not, spread the word and
you should be getting a press release at
some point.
» Okay, good.
» Oh, Pepsi. I don't know who provides the
drinks in this building, but I got a
relationship with Pepsi that goes way
back all the way up to the leadership.
They wrote a check for 25,000 and then
subsequent to that they've given me two
given us two checks for 10,000. So
they're the primary sponsor of of this
and I expect their willingness to donate
more to get bigger and bigger as the
preserve grows.
» We
» Yeah. Uh
do we even we the only place we
designate now or or we can designate
what uh brand uses our facility would be
at the arena probably.
We can do it out there. Otherwise,
» Can we do it at the courthouse anymore?
» You have to bid it out.
» So, we just stay away we stay away from
that portion of it because we don't get
anything else.
» I just wanted you to know they're
supporting the county in ways that
through relationships
that I think are going to benefit
everybody in the in the long run.
» Everybody up here knows how active
you've been in yourself and I appreciate
that in a lot of ways. You found that
out right after I was reelected and came
back. You've been you cranked that up.
He was just waiting on me to leave 12
years ago. So you can jump in there and
work. Go to work.
» But Katrina's over there.
» I think Candace is on this board.
» She is.
» With Philud
and the commissioners give me a lot of
leeway to do this so they won't have to.
I think
» Doug does a great job. He does an
outstanding. I'm not going to say but he
does a great job. Period.
The cautionary thing that we have is I
don't need to go to Washington DC and
ask for the money it takes to really
make a facility like this be what it can
be acquisition of more land on the state
level.
» Going to need money if you do that for
trails and all that. There's some trails
grant money. And so I'll go to
Washington DC and ask for money from
some congressmen and senators that don't
believe in global warming. So don't
carry them entity up there that is
protecting the tri spot.
» I don't listen Doug and I have been the
great thing about the relationship I
built with him is
» Money for roads.
» You got to be careful.
» Yes. Sometimes he and I go headtohead
because he thinks in a different way I
see from a business and how do we do
certain things and he's like no we can't
we got to protect the bank and I like
Doug I'm not going to do all that. We're
going to send a machine down there.
So we I I understand completely, but
that's the other thing that I think
makes him being part of what we're doing
and the relationships that he's built
with US wildlife and other federal and
state and in private industries is
really where I think he is going to
excel in the long run. And there's
there's a lot of good things going on
with education. Katrina, I'm sure, knows
based on reports that he gives to to
Springle on a regular basis. But that's
that's another gem that what we're
trying to do, and I'm speaking more as
the chairman of that foundation, is
we're trying to identify ways that we
can raise money through grants, private
donations to not necessarily always have
the burden on Spring Bowl, but also not
have to come here or go to the state.
We're doing a better job of asking the
state because they told us from day one,
all you got to do is ask. Well, you know
what? We've done a poor job of doing
asking.
» Now we're asking. Um they're proud of of
what's happening out there. and I know
that that you guys are too, the whole
county is. I just wanted to take a
minute to tell you what this is about,
what it's for, and invite you out. But
please spread the word, too.
» Thank you very much.
» Thank you. Any y'all have any questions?
» No, other than the fact that when they
do go, when Joey goes to Washington,
» You need to go alone.
» Oh, wow. Yeah. Let me
» We send Candace. Well, we make We send
the right person. We sending Candace.
» You should consider going. Yeah, because
coach is once coach gets in his chair,
new chair, I plan on working with those
relationships, too, to see what I can do
to help, not just
» Yeah.
» But the county as a whole. So,
» Relationship we have with state lands
division,
» All this those grant monies are out
there. Candace has been really good at
finding them. Things we wouldn't have
even asked for. She said, "What about
let's get this little $100,000 over here
for this?" Well, we really don't have
anything to do with
» You seem to know a lot about all that.
When you retire, won't you help us go
snoop those out?
» I'll just I'll just be happy y'all
getting all you can get.
» He may want to charge us a find or
something. [laughter]
I I November the 11th, I'll become a
consultant. And and and Dave's already
told me how much he's going to pay me.
And there won't be anybody fighting for
my consulting job.
» Thank you very much.
Thank you.
» Okay. Uh okay. I'm glad we are caught up
on that. Right here at budget time is a
good time for that to happen.
» Now then, Commissioner Parker, where do
I go from there?
» Back over here number one.
» All right.
» Now,
okay. Now, we'll move on to the meat
page of the of the work session. Item
number one, discuss approval of the FY27
Alabama Department of Youth Services
Agency Grant Agreement Award in the
amount of $343,431
for the St. Clair County Day Program.
The day program is a is literally a
program when you arrest a juvenile. This
is this is a thumbnail thing. You arrest
a juvenile, you still don't get around
the law that you got to educate 16 up to
16 years old at a government education,
right?
» So the day program is the public
education for
not be [laughter] in court.
[clears throat]
» And it's paid for out of a grant money
that we have to do certain things to get
the grant
» Through Dys.
» Yeah. Through Dys.
» That money just passes through us to go
to the D.
» Okay.
» So that's what this one will be.
» Put it on. Put it on.
» Put it on the agenda. Item two, discuss
approval of three-year memorandum
understanding between Sler County
Commission, Alabama Law Enforcement
Agency for the PE city location pending
county attorney review. Okay. We ready
to move forward on that? into your
review.
» Yes.
» Item three, discuss doing the pro pronto
track agreement. Let me back up a
minute. Three-year memorandum of
understanding between S County
Commission and Aaliyah. I know we're
restricted to three-year contracts by
most entities. Let's just say a private
entity that we we contract for. We can
only do a three-year contract unless
it's for the county engineers
personnel contract. We can do his up to
five. Most of them are three. Does that
include if we in a state contract and
did we do this on a longer
» I do not know that something
» But I know I know it is with with
private
» Yes sir.
» But it may be we can do with a
government entity
» Right longer than that.
» Yeah. And renew it. So I wouldn't have
to do this. I mean they're not going
anywhere until we tell them you know
they'll ask us for another bill. Uh
we'll look into that. Uh item three,
discuss uh renewing the pronto track
agreement for ankle monitoring for the
chairman. Oh, it wasn't me.
» This service is under the safety and
security clause. We already put that on
there.
» Sir, can we move that to the next work
session?
» We sure can.
» Okay. Move to the next work session.
Item four, discuss adop resolution 2640
to increase the dispersement of the
lodging tax from 6% to 10%. Resolution
2640 replaces and repeals resolution uh
2025-51
in to in totality and any and all other
resolutions ordinances in conflict here
with effective December 1st, 2026. Ready
to put that on there?
» Yes.
» Okay. Item five, discuss transferring
the following six uh Huelet Packard
delete tablets from the commission
office to the IT division. So, we'd
actually be transferring them stays
within under the umbrella of the
commission, but it goes from the
commission offic's records over to
technology records. Right.
» Okay. Ready to do that. Six.
Request from asset manager Ashley Haye
to purchase uh signage from Smart Sign
for the Sinclair County Agricultural
Mult224
with the county credit card.
» She got a pen credit card.
» No, she has to use mine or I I make I
purchase it for her.
» I just check it.
And chairman, let's back up to four if
you don't mind.
» Okay.
» Um, anywhere except for City of Pel
City, City of Pel City on that lodging
tax will be nine will be 9%.
» Are we Well, it's in the resolution
though that takes care of that.
» Yes, sir.
» Okay.
» Everywhere else will be 10%.
» Then we probably have we we hadn't done
this at all pending county attorney
review. We probably need to pass this
resolution pending your review to give
you time to look these over. It doesn't
come up.
» I've looked I've looked at He's already
reviewed.
» But if we're going to say we're passing
that resolution, it's passed. Period.
» It It's already prepared. It's got um
for the city of P City has got increase
from 5% to 9% anywhere out of the city
limits of P City is nine 6% to 10%.
» Good enough.
» Okay.
All right. I think we're I think we're
good to go on that. Mhm.
» The word is like y'all want. Y'all be
sure and look it over real good before
we take action. Item seven, discuss
request property manager Rod Wolf
transfer a gun safe inventory 9042 to
the coroner's office.
» Why does he What's a carer need a gun
safe for?
» I don't know.
» Was it on the maintenances?
» I don't want to know.
[laughter]
» Not sure I do.
» Like that sounds like a story. Let him
have he shouldn't even be towing a gun.
Say maybe he's running short for
storage.
» Been there ever since I've been here.
» Yeah, that's true. That
» Came about. Sometimes if they pick up a
body in an accident, they like to put
their personal belongings in the same
place till they
» He had a safe for that. But I'm talking
He's wanting a gun safe, too.
» He's already got it. It's just been
under the maintenance.
» It's been It's been he that safe he
that's the safe he got. He's been using.
Okay, you need to clarify that.
» Cleaning up the inventory.
» Transfer it to you.
» Transfer it from me.
» I think we can do that.
» Item eight, discuss request propert
manager Rod Wolf transfer HP Pro Book
455
uh over to the IT division. Okay.
Are we transferring usable items here
and they're and they're deciding later
to use them or what are we doing here?
They may come back and they may not get
rid of them. one. They've already It's
already been in their possession.
» They've had it. It's just still been on
my inventory.
» We're just cleaning it up. Good. Well,
thank you for that.
» Item nine, discuss request propert.
The following. There's a copy in your
folder. Office furniture vacuum gas
compressor. Gas compressor.
» I don't know what that is. Is that like
laughing?
Uh anyway, y'all look through the list
right there. [snorts]
» So all those are broke,
nonusable.
» Broke or have not seen it since I've
been
» Is that truck bed cover that one off
that old truck used to belong to Rich
Vowski?
» No, that truck bed cover is the one that
Lynn was driving. Oh,
» Okay. That's the one used to be Rich
Bowski, was it?
» Was it?
» I don't think so. Yeah.
» Okay.
» Yeah, it needs to go.
» Well, it was gone. It's been gone.
» Okay. This is cleaning up. You're in
» Clean it up.
» All right.
Commission ready. Item 10. Discuss
request revenue commissioner Kim Crow to
issue a formal cancellation letter to
the American Financial Credit Services.
This request indicates desire to
terminate the county's existing
agreement with AFCS for delinquent tax
collections. Okay. It's hard to out of
here, but I believe that's pretty well
self-explanatory. Good. Item 11, discuss
request revenue chief clerk Tony Rich
paid GoDaddy in the amount of $75.96
can credit card for two-year domain
renewal. Ready to do that? Item 12,
discuss request EMA director Patrice
Guski to accept the FY2025-26
EMPG cooperative agreement. Uh the
period of performance for this funding
covers FY26.
There are two amounts listed. The added
amount includes uh included as 25 ES-1
is one of five reset supplemental EMPG
payments that will be made over a 5-year
period starting in 2026 ending in 2030.
Those EMPG grants are federal grants.
That's one of the main things that a
commission ends up in DC at the national
conference level because the all the
counties [snorts] in the United States
fight for continuation of EMPG. That's
pretty well that's that's some federal
money comes down to have pay for EMA.
[clears throat] Item 13 discuss Sheriff
Murray to renew Randy Hurst employment
contract for one year.
» Yep.
» Okay. Item 14, discuss request sheriff
Murray to let bid to remodel the
sheriff's office former bank building in
Asheville. So Sheriff Murray can let a
bid
» And the bid will come back to the county
commission for up or down
» Based on the amount and based on what
the the commission, you know, agrees
with what's going on over there.
» Okay. Item 15, discussion question.
Sheriff Mary to let bid for build for a
building to store the community
engagement vehicle in Pel City. That's
the uh the new uh mobile command
» Mobile command building that's coming to
Pel City and this will uh allow the
sheriff to let a bid for that building
and the same thing's true on that. That
would be true on the one at Asheville.
It's it'll come to the county
commission. Y'all can look at it and see
if that's what you want. [snorts] Item
16, discuss request district all harm to
surplus disposal of the following
inventory 48.86 86 the left return
executive desk and inventory 509 a
curvadenza
» Put it on there
» Put it on there item 17 discuss travel
request be a copy of the travel request
in there travel for this year sort of
playing out a little bit um
but you'll have the travel request
[clears throat] in there for the rest of
the year we'll
» Well some of it's for next fiscal year
too
» Into the new budget
» Yes sir
» Okay item team discuss uh any board
appointments.
» Yeah, we don't have one.
» What
department
» Human resources?
» Okay. Yeah, we discuss that.
Okay.
Sanders reappoint to DHR. Any others?
Anybody know of
that one for somebody? [laughter]
Oh me
in 4A
people are leaving us we go uh
we we've had vacancies on those for a
while. That's something that uh
I I'll meet with Dave and he'll know
what he may may or may not want to if
you want to hold on some of these
talking about a couple months. These are
the appointments for M4A is the aging
program we belong to. Uh
» That'd be a good good appointment for
Ashley sitting right there. Ashley.
» There you go. Are you familiar with M4A?
Ashley just Okay. Uh sit on that board.
» I enjoyed it while I could.
» That may be that may be something we
look at. That'd be great. But it's going
we don't want to stack it up for Dave to
have to deal with these. M4A is the
senior citizen program where the federal
money flows through it. And M4A is four
counties. Shelby, St. Clair, Blunt,
Jeff,
» Jefferson.
» Yeah. So that's the four counties in
M4A, which is a nonprofit entity that
runs the agent program that the money
flows through and we make appointments
to that. Each one of those four counties
makes appointments to it. Uh
let's see. Josh. Yeah, Josh Taylor was
on there. That's what I said. Jos was on
there and he designed it. Ashley Ashley
Katrina Katrina was on this as an
» She
got
» Well, if you're good today and and
you're good. I can't can't imagine a
better entity and and really a better
person because you're already aware of
it and and working through your your
know about the the programs they have
and they they uh kind of dovetail into
some of the things that extension does
too.
Okay.
» Do you have to have an alternate member?
» No, you don't have
» I don't think so. You don't have to have
» Okay.
» We just made fill out of the seat.
» We got
We have a say on that.
» Well, that's my appointment. So, you can
quit talking about it. I'm going to
recommend Ashley in this one of my final
acts of official duty here.
» Glad glad we got together on that.
» Congratulations.
» [laughter]
» Train is going to congratulate me in
November. [laughter]
» Okay.
» Very good. All right. Uh we've got a
couple coming up, but we'll discuss
those here. I want to discuss one
particular one today before he comes
back in. A couple that we've got right
now, and that is the healthcare
authority. The healthcare author is not
on here because it doesn't have official
openings, but we have anticipated a
couple anticipated openings. And there
could be and probably will be some
pretty big activity going on with the
healthcare authority because they own
the hospital. St. Clair County
Healthcare Authority owns the hospital
and with expansion of things out at the
hospital. That's they they would be very
involved. So, we'll get together on that
ready to move on that. Uh that's already
had some input.
» Uh I don't know of another one. We we
put we threw you under the bus on Cus
Valley.
» Yeah.
» Water. So you're on it.
» I'm saving that one up there. Okay.
Being saved.
» You went to a meeting the other day, did
you?
» Were you in charge now? You got it under
control.
» We're selling water. Sell the water.
» Somebody's going to have to step up.
» Sell it to somebody.
» Mental health.
» Somebody's going to buy it.
» Yeah. that mental health thing. Uh we
had a really good meeting. In fact, you
can see how important it was at the
conference. The state director of mental
health actually gave breakout sessions
on about to about three entities. So, uh
there's a lot of changes in mental
health. Uh a lot of it facilitated or a
lot of it
actually stimulated by so much mental
health problem in the jails. That's
that's a problem.
So, we need to we need I suspect that
when we change administrations down
there, I think you're going to have much
more required discussion on the local
level about what happens in mental
health.
It [clears throat]
statement was made by her. They wanted
more local involvement in the mental
health problem because right now it it
is a probate judge and sheriff's problem
and and well, if it's somebody one of
their problems, we have to pay for it.
We have to figure out where the money
comes from. So, it's going to be real
important when that comes up. Uh
Birmingham Metropolitan Planning
Organization. Don't let Birmingham part
scare you. Uh that that scares away a
lot of people just because it has
Birmingham's name on it. The
Metropolitan Planning Organization is
part of the regional planning commission
and Katrina's probably is aware of this.
Anybody working with the city, uh by
law, St. Clair County is in the region
that is covered by regional planning
commission of greater Birmingham. By
law, we would like to be just because of
the working with the different entities.
We would like to be part of the uh cous
valley
commission whatever it but it would be
the people east of us. Uh I think that
would be Tallaladega County and Calhoun
County. But we can't. At one time we
said we're just going to go over there
and join them. Well, you can't. It's in
the it's in the code what what regional
planning district Slair County is in.
and we are in the Greater Birmingham
Regional Planning Commission and the MO
which is listed right here is under the
regional planning commission. So that's
why that's important. Uh the MOO now
covers it may cover all of our county
when the next measurements there when
the when the measure is that the county
is not listed as rural anymore under the
MO. that that that'll extend the entire
county which means we interact with
Jefferson County a lot more than we we
ever have and probably wish to.
» So we'll we'll work that out. That's all
those anything else on here.
» Before you go, I got a quick question.
» Yes, sir.
» Just for clarification as you are
looking at the budgets and my proposal
that we all combine forces together. if
I need to come back and answer any
questions. I hope what I gave you is a
guide to our request at the airport
authority for some kind of financial
assistance. I'm not here. Well, I said I
wasn't asking for a half million
dollars, but you know what? If you find
it, we would definitely use it.
» Um
last week,
» So whatever you feel compelled is we
would be more than grateful for. If you
got any questions, let me know. And then
once you make your final decisions on
that, if you'd let me know, that'd be
awesome, too. Thank you.
» Get a regular budget ready.
» Dave is having a meet and greet at uh
Red Diamond tonight at 6:00. Is that
right?
» 5:30. I think
» We found out something a long time ago.
If you serve wine, people loosen up
their pockets.