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[paper rustling]

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I'm going to call the September 21st,
2026, St. Clair Shore City Council.

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meeting to order. Abby, please call
the roll.

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Mayor Walby? Here.

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Council member Burges? Here.

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Council member Karen? Here.

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Council member Frederick? Present.

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Council member Rubelo? Here.

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Council member Roosey? Here.

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Council member Vitali? Here.

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A quorum is present.

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Please rise for the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America,

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and to the republic for which it
stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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Item two is proclamations

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and presentations.

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We have a uh a number of uh
proclamations,

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actually seven of 'em.

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But we have a a presentation from uh
our state rep.

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Uh, Alicia St. Germain, come on up.

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I know she's going to give us some

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legislative updates, so thank you for
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Thank you.

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[paper rustling]

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Well, thank you for having me.

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Uh, my name is Alicia St. Germain,
and I'm the state representative

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uh for this district. My district...

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goes from say 21 and a half mile in
Chesterfield to

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12 mile in the shores. A little bit
of Roseville,

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Um, so thanks. Um, I just wanted to
give what I call a mini legislative
update. All good stuff though.

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Um, I am the vice chair of natural
resources, which is happens to be my
favorite committee.

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Education, I said an education,
health and economic competitiveness.

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Um, so I just want to go over some
bills that have passed the house with
strong bipartisan support, just some
of them.

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Uh, the first one is what I call the
muck bill.

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Um, and I'm sure everybody's heard of
the M-wall-eye or the muck

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that's consuming some of our shore
lines.

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Um, what this bill would do is it
would simply remove the red tape

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so that a property owner can hire a
contractor to to clean up the muck.

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I don't think that you should have to
get a permit through the state to
clean up your yard or or front yard.

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So that's what the muck bill does.
Um, every bill that I seem to
introduce has a nickname, so bear
with me here.

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Uh, the second one, um, I call it the
brown alert.

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If if we're familiar with um some of
the combined sewage overflows

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from Oakland County into Macomb
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what the brown alert would do is it
would notify residents of an area

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when dangerous levels of E coli water
are discharged into that water.

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So people know, don't go kayaking on
the Clinton River

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for 24 hours, 48 hours, whatever that
might be.

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Um, another bill, it's what I call
the first responders protection bill.

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Uh, what that does is it creates a
halo, so to speak,

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around a first responder so that they
could do their job effectively.

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So, in other words, just there to
protect our, um,

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first responders from getting injured
and allows them to do their job
without interference.

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Um, another one, uh, Marina
protection bill.

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So, we're surrounding, we're in the
nautical mile, right? We're
surrounded by beautiful marinas, lots
and lots of boats.

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What this bill does is if a boat is
abandoned

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on a Marina property,

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it allows that Marina after so many
months of unpaid, um, invoices,

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allows the Marina to start the lean
process.

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so that they can remove the boat or,
you know, contact the bank,

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um, boat owner, whatever that might
be.

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Um, so it, uh, helps our Marina stay
clean

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and, um, protects our Marina business
owners.

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Um, the fifth bill, this one I'm
pretty proud of.

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Um, I call this the golf cart bill.
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is it it simply allows municipalities
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to create an ordinance if they so
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to allow golf carts in a in the
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or in a certain section.

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Uh, I think we've seen in St. Clair
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well, Jefferson, I was coming down
Jefferson and I don't know what
happened.

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I was all over the place trying to
make my way here.

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[Another speaker] We're trying to
improve the roads.

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No, I'm all over. I was glad. I was
just, uh, it's tough.

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I haven't been this way in a while.
Actually it's my husband's fault

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because he does take Jefferson all
the way to Detroit there every day
for work

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and he didn't tell me, so it's his
fault.

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Um, but yeah, you know, there's
certain situations where, you know,
let's just say,

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you know, you have all these boat
owners and they just want to get from
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I I think the city in coordination
with the people that live here

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and the police department create
their own ordinance that fits their
needs.

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I I don't believe that the state
should dictate to every municipality

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how they conduct their business. So,

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Um, the good news with that bill is
it will signed into law in July,

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and it's my very first bill that I
passed.

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Um, I didn't get one of those fancy
pens from the governor yet,

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but I'm counting on it soon.

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Um, other projects that are underway.
Um, I'm proud to say that I secured

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$2 million for water infrastructure.

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And if you haven't noticed, water and
water and water infrastructure and
boats are kind of my thing.

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So, um, I'm working with the Macomb
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and coordinating where that money
should be spent for,

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uh, water cleanup and and canal, not
canals, uh,

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waterways, um, man-

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will cover things that like that.

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So, um, you know, our water
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along with our roads is very, very
important.

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Um, muck mitigation,

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this is Um,

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uh, you know, I'm proud to say that
we have been working on

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all levels with our Macomb County
Public Works,

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Candace Meller, uh, my office,
Senator Hertel,

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uh, Eagle, DNR, Army Core and um,

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so we're well underway, underway of
cleaning up the muck and some

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of the uh, there's three different
locations that were chosen as a

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chosen as a uh, this is a test trial.

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So, uh, the three locations are

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just south of the Clinton River,

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which is where I call Freedom Boat
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um, what's that? Oh, I call it Lance
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but I think I'm wrong with that.

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beach.

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Yeah, you might be right.

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You're probably right, you're right
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Um, and then Hidden Cove, uh,
Conominium,

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um, and then uh, or our Beach right
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What we're going to do is uh, remove
the muck

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and then figure out ways how we can
treat it.

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Um, and this is going to it's going
to be an ongoing thing,

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you know, it's going to take a lot of
work on all levels

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to figure this out.

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So, um, I'm I'm pretty confident that
if other states are

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successful, I think Michigan can be
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especially with the right people that
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our, you know, beautiful Lake St.
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Uh, Cormarat.

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Um, what is a Cormarat, some of you
might be thinking.

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Um, it's a blackbird, it's a
federally protected bird.

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They're they're actually quite large.

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Um, they're migratory.

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Um, this is the problem with them.
They're there's a lot of 'em.

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more than ever on our Lake St. Clair.

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Their droppings, aka their poop,

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kills every tree vegetation that they
nest on.

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So they're very destructive to our
landscape and our

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natural resources.

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They they kill everything that they
nest under.

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Um, more importantly, they eat one
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of fish per day per bird.

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Um, and that equals about 80 million
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of fish per year.

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I never I didn't realize, you know,
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bad they were for our environment.

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I it was one of those things,

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I'm walking through Metro Beach.

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I don't know if anybody's been
through Metro Beach lately.

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I've seen it. I've seen it. It's
incredible.

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Yeah, there's an island there. It's
called Dog Island.

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And it is completely just bare trees.

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Nothing that can live lives
underneath it.

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That that's so destructive they are.

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Um, they're loud and um,

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they're they're just uh, they're a
real nuisance.

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Um, I've been boating on this like my
entire life,

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uh, not long ago I was on on the boat

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on the way to Zafs there.

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and um, I noticed they're right here,
that's Island Harbor too.

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and their droppings are so acidic
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it even kills like wood on

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our our historic lighthouses and
things like that. So,

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um, but to see that many of them in
the middle of the lake,

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knowing that they're eating that many
fish, that's a problem.

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Um, I don't want these birds to be so
overpopulated

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that it wipes out our fishing
industry, and and it can, it has.

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Um, up in Lake Huron, um, those
birds, the Cormorant birds

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nearly destroyed the birch population

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back in the late 1900s.

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So, we don't want that to happen
here, and I've been

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working all, you know, all hands on
deck.

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Um, proud to say that I secured
500,000

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and working with the DNR so that we
can control

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their population, not eradicate them,
just control

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so they're that there's not so many
of them.

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Um, you know, I don't want there to
be a day where kids are

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fishing on the Blossom Heath Pier and
wondering where all

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the darn fish are, you know,

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we don't want that to happen. So,

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Um, the DNR have been super
supportive.

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They were actually very excited that
I reached out to them

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and said, hey, what are we doing, you
know?

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So, uh, you know, they had to get a
federal permit

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to be able to uh, do the things to
control their population.

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you know, I'm definitely more of a
problem solver than talker

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and um, you know, I'm going to
continue to work.

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what state, local, federal,

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and um, the things that I can
control.

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Unfortunately, I can't control the
gas prices.

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I wish I could, but

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I shouldn't have said that.

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[laughter]

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Probably a bad topic. Um,

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um, but

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that is all I have.

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I just want to thank everybody for
having me and I'll stick around.

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I did bring flyers too if anybody
wants any more

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information on those cormorant birds.

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So,

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um, but birds, muck, Lake St. Clair,
boats, those are all my thing.

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So thank you for having me. Yeah,

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we appreciate your your effort
specifically on the lake and

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helping to keep the lake clean.

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And we know we have some of the
problems with sometimes the

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other county and I know you've been
great in Lansing helping us.

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So we really we really appreciate.

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We speak on behalf of the city to
thank you for the work on uh the

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CSO's and the lake clean.

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Yeah. I'm confident we will get there
one day.

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You know, my kids, I have a 25 and 23
year old, but the

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25 year old lives here in the shores.

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I didn't I grew up in Roseville.

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But uh, uh, I married my husband 32
years now.

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Uh he's a shore, Lake Shore, you
know.

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Um, so I've uh, have a lot of roots
in St. Clair Shores.

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You know, my my father-in-law retired
from the police department.

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Uh, he was one of the founders of
cops for kids.

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Right. I'm as old enough to say that
I used to my husband and I

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worked the telethon.

251
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Oh yeah, some of you might not know
what a telethon is.

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I was part of the telethon, you too.
Right.

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Um, I remember the dating yourself a
little bit.

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Yeah, I know, right?

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I remember the days uh the tug of
war, you know, the cops for kids

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tug of war, um, events and things
like that.

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Um, they were held behind the Coast
Guard station and we

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swam there on that beach.

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Back in the day, I know I'm dating
myself, but

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[laughter]

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But yeah, St. Clair Shores is near
and dear and

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you know, um, thank you so much for
having me.

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appreciate it. Thank you.

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[applause]

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We'll head into the uh,
presentations. We'll start with

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the beautification awards.

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Uh residential and business and Mr.
Kieran. Kieran.

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go down here and we'll we'll start
with the beautification.

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I think he has some slides first and
then we'll do the uh

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residential.

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We have one here and one actually
next meeting and then we'll do

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the businesses.

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[tapping]

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All right. goes.

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So good evening, everyone.

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So, um, every year, uh,
Beautification Commission goes out
and uh, surveys the city

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looking for businesses and
households, uh, to grant
beautification awards.

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Um, and so we always do these at the
uh, third Monday meeting

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here in September.

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And so first, just kind of go through
what the beautification

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commission does.

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Uh, they manage a lot of flower beds
all throughout the city.

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We're talking city entrance signs,
flower beds, and our parks in major
rightaways,

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um, landscape pots that are located
in various locations.

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Um, all sorts of great work that they
do throughout the

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entire community.

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And it is literally starts, you know,
pretty much from April

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to start doing the initial spring
cleanup, get the beds

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all prepped, ready for planting, goes
into fall decorations and

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then even um, at Christmas time, they
put out wreaths and all the

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city signs as well that light up in
many locations.

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So a very tireless group of people.
So if we want to go

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to the next slide.

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So this is thefication commission and
I know I got several members

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here tonight.

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And see Diana Lintz is back there,
that's our treasure.

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Mary Ann Motika is over here.

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Um, Lynn Brown, and Lil Claycomb, is
our chairperson.

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So, um, thank you for all the
commission members that are able

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to come out here tonight.

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And a special thanks to uh,
especially Lynn, um,

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in terms of going through all the
beautification awards and

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managing this whole process for us
this year.

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Um, so it's a really is a tireless
group of people.

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No knowing the members, but also
several volunteers that we have.

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And so if anyone is interested, we're
always looking for volunteers.

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You can see Lil here at the end of
the meeting and uh, she will

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definitely put you to work somewhere
in the city.

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So, um, but an absolute awesome group
of people that we have.

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And quite frankly, I've been on it
for 15 years now with them.

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A lot of the members I started with
15 years ago are still there.

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Um, so it's a very stable, dedicated
group of people that

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we have that uh, does all this great
work around the city.

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And also the sex one, we have a lot
of great businesses that help

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us out.

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Um, you know, in terms of halls,
well, Hall's nursery still helps us,
you know, they're located

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over on uh, on uh, industrial drive
now versus their old location.

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They still help us with wreath every
year and bows and all

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sorts of good work.

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Um, landscape services is definitely,
um, very active

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with our group.

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especially since now Paul's sister,
Mary is now on the

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commission.

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Bonus for us.

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Um, so years landscape.

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taping over on Little Mac, great
supporter of ours.

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And as well as First State Bank in
the spring.

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All the red tulips that start popping
up all around the city.

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The bulk of those are all donated by
First State Bank over many years.

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And Lil makes sure she gets a new
bunch every single year from them.

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They look forward to seeing her.

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each fall to make sure she gets those
uh so we get those planted.

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So they're all ready for spring.

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So with that,

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I'll go to the next one.

336
00:25:23,338 --> 00:25:25,682
Mary, you want to do the residential
award?

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00:25:25,749 --> 00:25:28,510
Again, we have one, uh we had two, we
have one today and one at

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the next meeting.

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Pam and Bob Mason, come on up here.

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00:25:31,514 --> 00:25:32,347
[applause]

341
00:25:36,141 --> 00:25:38,262
Good evening, how are you? Good, how
are you?

342
00:25:38,329 --> 00:25:39,718
Very good, thank you.

343
00:25:39,858 --> 00:25:42,488
Uh, they have a beautiful home there
and there it is, uh up there.

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It's in the north end of St. Clair
Shores, just off of 12 mile there

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and Glorious Street.

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Uh, beautiful front and back home.

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Uh, really an oasis almost, I guess I
could say, uh with the pool

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and everything else.

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So, we will um, read your
proclamation. So,

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2026 beautification award, Pamela,
Pam and Bob Mason.

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Whereas the Mayor and Council of the
City of St. Clair Shores on behalf

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of the Beautification Commission,

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00:26:07,715 --> 00:26:10,376
deemed it fitting and proper to
publicly recognize the outstanding

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efforts made by individuals in
helping to beautify our neighborhoods

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00:26:13,641 --> 00:26:17,570
and maintain the image of our city.

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00:26:17,637 --> 00:26:20,468
Pam and Bob have displayed community
spirit and willingness to enhance

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the beauty of their property, which
demonstrates a strong sense

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of civic pride.

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00:26:26,860 --> 00:26:29,661
Now, therefore, be it resolved that
the Mayor and Council of the City of

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St. Clair Shores, on behalf of our
citizens,

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deemed it an honor and a pleasure to
extend our congratulations to

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Pam and Bob Mason on receiving the
2026 beautification award.

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Congratulations.

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[applause]
Job well done.

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00:26:45,715 --> 00:26:53,699
[applause]

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00:26:56,037 --> 00:26:57,618
Again, it was a, it's a beautiful
home.

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00:26:57,685 --> 00:27:00,076
We, we, we appreciate what you do for
the neighborhood.

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You make the, make the whole street
look much better.

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So again, thank you so much for being
an award winner.

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00:27:06,029 --> 00:27:07,041
We appreciate it. Thank you.

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00:27:07,108 --> 00:27:14,592
[applause]

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And next up we have um, the one of
the business award winners?

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And I want to go to I'm bring up
Katie Dom,

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who is with Motor City Design Works
over on Jefferson.

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00:27:26,282 --> 00:27:28,161
So first read your proclamation here.

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I'm getting like the mirror.

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00:27:32,308 --> 00:27:34,269
Or else Abby put these in smaller
print.

378
00:27:34,336 --> 00:27:36,754
I think she put them in smaller
print, by the way.

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00:27:37,104 --> 00:27:40,504
Whereas the Mayor and City Council of
City of St. Clair Shores, on

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00:27:40,571 --> 00:27:43,302
behalf of the Education Commission,
deemed it fitting and proper to

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00:27:43,369 --> 00:27:46,000
publicly recognize the outstanding
efforts made by commercial

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00:27:46,067 --> 00:27:48,597
businesses in helping to beautify our
business districts and maintain

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00:27:48,664 --> 00:27:50,756
the image of our city.

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Whereas Motor City Design Works has
displayed community spirit and a

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00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:56,591
willingness to enhance the beauty of
its property, which demonstrates a

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strong sense of civic pride.

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00:27:59,196 --> 00:28:01,987
Now, therefore, be it resolved that
the Mayor and City Council of the

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City of St. Clair Shores, on behalf
of our citizens, deemed it an honor

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00:28:05,051 --> 00:28:07,682
and a pleasure to extend our
congratulations to Motor City Design

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00:28:07,749 --> 00:28:11,969
Works 2026 business beautification
award winner.

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00:28:12,036 --> 00:28:19,720
[applause]

392
00:28:23,636 --> 00:28:25,135
[laughter]

393
00:28:26,254 --> 00:28:28,306
Congratulations, thank you. Job well
done.

394
00:28:28,373 --> 00:28:31,780
just want to just check out her
beautiful property there in
Jefferson.

395
00:28:31,950 --> 00:28:35,260
Um, we did a taping for uh the
Council Connection show.

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00:28:35,327 --> 00:28:38,458
And it's amazing what she turned
basically what would have been an old

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gas station way back when into.

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00:28:41,462 --> 00:28:43,523
Um, from the inside and outside.

399
00:28:43,590 --> 00:28:47,061
Wonderful job and thank you for all
the hard work you did in your
property.

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00:28:47,128 --> 00:28:48,460
Greatly appreciate it.

401
00:28:49,116 --> 00:28:52,583
And with that, I do not see anyone
from Mark Yori Catering.

402
00:28:53,792 --> 00:28:56,450
Nope, so we'll try to bring them back
at the next meeting here.

403
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,489
Okay, yep, okay. All right.

404
00:28:58,888 --> 00:29:01,439
again, thank you for all the
beautification uh commission

405
00:29:01,506 --> 00:29:02,818
members for all your hard work.

406
00:29:02,885 --> 00:29:05,536
And again, if anyone's interested in
helping out, there are plenty of

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00:29:05,603 --> 00:29:08,134
volunteer opportunities throughout
the year.

408
00:29:08,201 --> 00:29:12,201
Um is a great group of people to get
involved with and help out your city.

409
00:29:12,268 --> 00:29:14,096
So again, thank you everybody.

410
00:29:14,366 --> 00:29:16,437
Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you,
Councilman.

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00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:21,790
[applause]

412
00:29:29,883 --> 00:29:31,475
The next one is St. Paul's Lutheran
Church.

413
00:29:31,542 --> 00:29:34,513
100th anniversary proclamation we did
there last Thursday, we were

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00:29:34,580 --> 00:29:36,761
over there for uh the historical
marker, I know.

415
00:29:36,828 --> 00:29:37,717
Come on up.

416
00:29:37,784 --> 00:29:39,359
We had I think we had a pretty good
contingent.

417
00:29:39,426 --> 00:29:42,206
I know they don't have a pastor, I
believe currently, but they have a

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00:29:42,273 --> 00:29:44,245
a strong membership over there.

419
00:29:44,312 --> 00:29:46,120
So, come on up.

420
00:29:50,997 --> 00:29:52,705
Good evening, how are you?

421
00:29:53,185 --> 00:29:54,277
Good evening.

422
00:29:54,344 --> 00:29:58,411
Most of you I I saw at the historical
marker that that is now.

423
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,882
sitting there greater Mac right on
the corner colony.

424
00:30:00,949 --> 00:30:02,637
Come on up line up here.

425
00:30:03,896 --> 00:30:07,024
Big group here. What are you? How are
you? Fantastic.

426
00:30:07,663 --> 00:30:09,202
Well, hello. Hello.

427
00:30:10,381 --> 00:30:11,713
All right.

428
00:30:11,850 --> 00:30:13,352
Is anyone going to speak? I'll I'll
read.

429
00:30:13,419 --> 00:30:15,187
Does anyone want to say a few words?

430
00:30:15,847 --> 00:30:16,899
I was just going to say thank you.

431
00:30:16,966 --> 00:30:18,298
Oh.

432
00:30:18,644 --> 00:30:20,786
All right, well, let me read this and
then you can say thank you.

433
00:30:20,853 --> 00:30:22,311
If anyone else.

434
00:30:23,381 --> 00:30:24,872
Proclamation to St. Paul's Lutheran

435
00:30:24,939 --> 00:30:27,947
Church in honor of its 100th
anniversary.

436
00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:29,179
Whereas the American Council,

437
00:30:29,246 --> 00:30:30,508
the city of St. Clair Shores wish to

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00:30:30,575 --> 00:30:32,456
acknowledge and honor St. Paul's

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00:30:32,523 --> 00:30:34,325
Lutheran Church in celebration of its

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00:30:34,392 --> 00:30:36,713
100th anniversary.

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00:30:36,780 --> 00:30:39,451
St. Paul Lutheran Church dedicated
its

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00:30:39,518 --> 00:30:41,539
first church building at its current

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00:30:41,606 --> 00:30:44,347
location in October 1926.

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00:30:44,414 --> 00:30:46,535
The present church building located
at

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22915 Great Mack, that's just

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00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,291
on the south end, just a little bit

447
00:30:51,358 --> 00:30:53,686
past the post office there, a little
south.

448
00:30:53,846 --> 00:30:56,437
was constructed in 1956 and continues

449
00:30:56,504 --> 00:30:59,135
to host worship services every Sunday

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00:30:59,202 --> 00:31:02,010
and on holidays to which all are
welcome.

451
00:31:03,578 --> 00:31:05,770
St. Paul Church throughout its
history,

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00:31:05,837 --> 00:31:07,508
St. Paul Church has been involved has

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00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:09,157
been a valued community partner by

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00:31:09,224 --> 00:31:11,435
providing space for municipal
elections

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00:31:11,502 --> 00:31:14,600
and hosting numerous community groups
and activities.

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00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,661
It has been blessed with dedicated
men

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00:31:16,728 --> 00:31:18,539
and women of their congregation who

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00:31:18,606 --> 00:31:21,347
sponsor an annual baby shower to
assist

459
00:31:21,414 --> 00:31:23,985
Compassion Pregnancy Center in
Clinton

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00:31:24,052 --> 00:31:26,523
Township, providing prenatal services

461
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:28,928
and support post delivery to mothers,

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00:31:29,008 --> 00:31:30,810
as well as supporting an annual
giving

463
00:31:30,877 --> 00:31:33,327
tree at Christmas, assisting
Lighthouse

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00:31:33,394 --> 00:31:35,726
Outreach, Detroit Rescue Mission

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00:31:35,793 --> 00:31:38,104
Ministries, in providing Christmas
gifts

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00:31:38,171 --> 00:31:39,949
to families in need.

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00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,270
Whereas the women of the congregation

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00:31:42,337 --> 00:31:44,578
host a rummage sale each spring and
fall,

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00:31:44,645 --> 00:31:46,477
offering clothing and household goods

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00:31:46,544 --> 00:31:48,385
to the community at a very low cost,

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00:31:48,452 --> 00:31:50,531
while keeping such items out of
landfills.

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00:31:50,741 --> 00:31:53,042
With proceeds supporting Church
ministry

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00:31:53,109 --> 00:31:54,960
and mission work through the Lutheran

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00:31:55,027 --> 00:31:57,208
Women's Missionary League, which also

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00:31:57,275 --> 00:31:59,606
provides disaster relief assistance

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00:31:59,673 --> 00:32:02,181
throughout the United States and
around the world.

477
00:32:02,601 --> 00:32:04,892
Now therefore, the mayor and council

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00:32:04,959 --> 00:32:06,821
of the city of St. Clair Shores on

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00:32:06,888 --> 00:32:09,538
behalf of all our residents, do
hereby

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00:32:09,605 --> 00:32:12,386
congratulate St. Paul's Lutheran
Church

481
00:32:12,453 --> 00:32:17,632
on celebrating its 100th anniversary,

482
00:32:17,699 --> 00:32:19,930
and express sincere appreciation for

483
00:32:19,997 --> 00:32:22,578
a century of faith, service,

484
00:32:22,645 --> 00:32:24,926
and dedication to the community and

485
00:32:24,993 --> 00:32:27,424
wish for many, many more years of

486
00:32:27,491 --> 00:32:28,910
continued success.

487
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,232
Congratulations.

488
00:32:30,299 --> 00:32:37,083
[applause]

489
00:32:37,533 --> 00:32:38,795
say a word or so?

490
00:32:38,862 --> 00:32:41,333
Just want to say thank the
proclamation says everything.

491
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:42,362
Just want to say thank you, Mr.
Mayor.

492
00:32:42,429 --> 00:32:44,597
Thank you, uh, Council.

493
00:32:44,897 --> 00:32:48,447
It's uh, pretty amazing to to to be
around for 100 years.

494
00:32:48,514 --> 00:32:51,542
Hopefully be another 100 years to
years to come.

495
00:32:51,652 --> 00:32:56,980
Well, and to just I think the thank
you really is more from us to you.

496
00:32:57,047 --> 00:33:00,148
Thank you for being part of this
community for 100 years.

497
00:33:00,215 --> 00:33:02,026
and provided the Lord to, we
appreciate

498
00:33:02,093 --> 00:33:04,395
all you have done for this community
for 100 years.

499
00:33:04,462 --> 00:33:06,273
and we Lord willing it'll be another

500
00:33:06,340 --> 00:33:08,022
100 years. So we thank you for

501
00:33:08,089 --> 00:33:10,776
everything you have done. Right,
right? So.

502
00:33:11,156 --> 00:33:12,288
again, congratulations.

503
00:33:12,355 --> 00:33:14,377
Thank you for everything you've done
in this community. We appreciate it.

504
00:33:14,444 --> 00:33:21,318
[applause]

505
00:33:21,828 --> 00:33:23,886
Joanne, you need to come up.

506
00:33:26,174 --> 00:33:28,292
Okay. So.

507
00:33:36,476 --> 00:33:37,955
Thank you. Thank you.

508
00:33:39,034 --> 00:33:40,366
Nice work.

509
00:33:44,709 --> 00:33:47,180
The band's been here for 90 years.

510
00:33:47,247 --> 00:33:48,599
I know he's been here for 90 years.

511
00:33:48,666 --> 00:33:50,498
I think and the city's been paying
him

512
00:33:50,565 --> 00:33:51,986
for like 39 years, you know that,
right?

513
00:33:52,053 --> 00:33:54,052
Because he's retired.

514
00:33:55,281 --> 00:33:56,613
Good for you.

515
00:34:07,181 --> 00:34:10,649
Maple Benjamin Hunters uh anniversary
proclamation.

516
00:34:11,358 --> 00:34:14,555
Come on, oh, yeah, how are you? Great
to see you.

517
00:34:14,705 --> 00:34:17,436
right here. Stand right here.
Fantastic.

518
00:34:17,503 --> 00:34:20,524
everybody. Well, read it then you can
say a few words. How's that?

519
00:34:20,591 --> 00:34:21,643
Okay. Sounds good.

520
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:24,128
All right, we'll put that over. Get
the mic ready.

521
00:34:26,436 --> 00:34:28,274
Maple Benjamin Canal.

522
00:34:30,033 --> 00:34:32,294
Whereas in the early 1900s, before

523
00:34:32,361 --> 00:34:33,833
the region became heavily populated,

524
00:34:33,900 --> 00:34:36,041
the shores of Lake St. Clair served

525
00:34:36,108 --> 00:34:37,680
as a popular retreat for Detroit

526
00:34:37,747 --> 00:34:39,668
residents seeking recreation and
respit

527
00:34:39,735 --> 00:34:41,584
from city life.

528
00:34:41,914 --> 00:34:44,434
To expand waterfront access and
support

529
00:34:44,501 --> 00:34:46,333
residential development, an extensive

530
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,241
network of dredged canals were
created

531
00:34:48,308 --> 00:34:50,290
throughout the city, including the
Lake

532
00:34:50,357 --> 00:34:52,028
St. Clair Gardens Annex subdivision

533
00:34:52,095 --> 00:34:54,473
where Maple and Benjamin Streets are
located.

534
00:34:54,643 --> 00:34:58,580
The Maple Benjamin Canal has for 100
years been a

535
00:34:58,647 --> 00:35:01,278
integral part of the city's unique
waterfront identity,

536
00:35:01,345 --> 00:35:04,256
providing residents direct access to
Lake St. Clair and

537
00:35:04,323 --> 00:35:08,499
supporting a vibrant boating and
residential community.

538
00:35:09,339 --> 00:35:12,999
Whereas the centennial of Maple
Benjamin Canal provides an

539
00:35:13,066 --> 00:35:16,316
opportunity to celebrate the canal's
historical significance

540
00:35:16,383 --> 00:35:19,633
and recognize the generations of
residents who have continued to

541
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,587
preserving and enjoying this
treasured community.

542
00:35:24,267 --> 00:35:26,788
Now, therefore, be it resolved

543
00:35:26,855 --> 00:35:29,472
that the Mayor and Council of the
City of St. Clair Shores

544
00:35:29,552 --> 00:35:32,733
on behalf of all its residents, do
here, do hereby proclaim

545
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,111
the recognition of the 100th
anniversary of the

546
00:35:35,178 --> 00:35:37,916
Maple Benjamin Canal

547
00:35:38,046 --> 00:35:41,426
and extend best wishes to all
residents and families celebrating

548
00:35:41,493 --> 00:35:45,223
this important milestone with
gratitude for the canal's enduring

549
00:35:45,290 --> 00:35:48,320
contribution to the character,
heritage, and vitality

550
00:35:48,387 --> 00:35:51,288
of our community.

551
00:35:51,355 --> 00:35:52,477
Congratulations.

552
00:35:52,544 --> 00:35:55,385
Thank you so much for

553
00:35:55,452 --> 00:35:59,648
[applause]

554
00:36:00,687 --> 00:36:01,520
There you go.

555
00:36:01,587 --> 00:36:02,420
Just a few

556
00:36:02,487 --> 00:36:03,349
Your name?

557
00:36:03,416 --> 00:36:05,278
words. My name's Judith Wallen.

558
00:36:05,345 --> 00:36:08,862
I'm a long-time resident of the Maple
Benjamin Canal.

559
00:36:09,312 --> 00:36:13,261
Um, I've seen many transitions
throughout the years.

560
00:36:13,328 --> 00:36:17,495
But just think how long we've been
here, a hundred years.

561
00:36:17,975 --> 00:36:20,466
Um, they show on, I think I gave them
a little thing that

562
00:36:20,533 --> 00:36:24,120
showed all the little tracks.

563
00:36:24,299 --> 00:36:29,955
Uh, what happened with the crash, the
stock market kind of stopped that.

564
00:36:30,105 --> 00:36:33,255
But we're back, we're building, we're
enjoying the lake and

565
00:36:33,322 --> 00:36:36,553
thank you so much for this
declaration to our

566
00:36:36,620 --> 00:36:39,410
100th anniversary.

567
00:36:39,477 --> 00:36:40,310
Thank you.

568
00:36:40,377 --> 00:36:41,249
It's our pleasure. Thank you.

569
00:36:41,316 --> 00:36:42,149
Thank you.

570
00:36:42,216 --> 00:36:47,531
[applause]

571
00:36:47,598 --> 00:36:51,632
[laughter]
wants that one. He wants that one.

572
00:36:52,491 --> 00:36:53,403
And additionally,

573
00:36:53,470 --> 00:36:56,231
Yes, I'll I'll make copies of this
and make sure each

574
00:36:56,298 --> 00:36:58,329
homeowner gets a copy.

575
00:36:58,396 --> 00:36:59,468
That'd be great. That'd be awesome.

576
00:36:59,535 --> 00:37:00,368
We appreciate that.

577
00:37:00,435 --> 00:37:02,519
If if not we can get if not we can
get it through the city.

578
00:37:02,586 --> 00:37:05,387
Either either way we'll take care.
Abby will help you with that.

579
00:37:05,454 --> 00:37:06,287
All right.

580
00:37:06,354 --> 00:37:07,187
Thank you.

581
00:37:07,254 --> 00:37:12,213
[applause]

582
00:37:12,803 --> 00:37:14,891
Uh, Moore Veterinary Hospital.

583
00:37:16,016 --> 00:37:16,849
Fun up.

584
00:37:16,916 --> 00:37:17,749
Good evening.

585
00:37:17,816 --> 00:37:18,971
How are you?

586
00:37:19,038 --> 00:37:19,871
Just fine.

587
00:37:19,938 --> 00:37:21,270
Fantastic.

588
00:37:21,816 --> 00:37:23,138
Very good.

589
00:37:23,205 --> 00:37:24,138
Hi, how are you?

590
00:37:24,205 --> 00:37:25,038
Good, how are you?

591
00:37:25,105 --> 00:37:27,576
Great. S- right here, we'll we'll
read this proclamation

592
00:37:27,643 --> 00:37:28,835
and we'll have you say a few words.

593
00:37:28,902 --> 00:37:29,735
How's that?

594
00:37:29,802 --> 00:37:31,234
We're going to put you on the spot.

595
00:37:31,301 --> 00:37:32,134
Yeah.

596
00:37:32,201 --> 00:37:33,034
No problem.

597
00:37:33,101 --> 00:37:35,400
I I get stuck, so you got to do it.

598
00:37:37,038 --> 00:37:41,225
In honor of the 90th anniversary of
Moore Veterinary Hospital.

599
00:37:42,124 --> 00:37:44,965
Where's the Mayor and Council, the
City of St. Clair Shores,

600
00:37:45,032 --> 00:37:46,943
please do recognize Moore Veterinary
Hospital

601
00:37:47,010 --> 00:37:50,760
as it celebrates 90 years of
compassion, veterinary care,

602
00:37:50,827 --> 00:37:54,357
professional excellence and dedicated
service to generations

603
00:37:54,424 --> 00:37:58,111
of families and their beloved pets.

604
00:37:58,711 --> 00:38:03,950
More Veterinary Hospital was founded
in 1936 by Dr.

605
00:38:04,017 --> 00:38:07,447
Charlie Moore, beginning a legacy of
veterinary service that has

606
00:38:07,514 --> 00:38:09,745
continued for nine decades

607
00:38:09,812 --> 00:38:11,943
and touched the lives of countless
animals and families

608
00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:14,258
throughout the community.

609
00:38:14,798 --> 00:38:18,338
In 1945, brothers Howard and Gray
Nurse returned from

610
00:38:18,405 --> 00:38:21,835
World War II and began their
veterinary education,

611
00:38:21,902 --> 00:38:24,533
demonstrating the dedication that
would lead them to carry

612
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,472
the practice forward.

613
00:38:26,539 --> 00:38:29,429
In 1966, Dr. Moore retired and
entrusted his practice to

614
00:38:29,496 --> 00:38:32,054
the two brothers.

615
00:38:32,993 --> 00:38:35,924
As the practice grew, Moore
Veterinary Hospital moved from

616
00:38:35,991 --> 00:38:40,228
Detroit to a new facility in St.
Clair Shores in 1975.

617
00:38:40,937 --> 00:38:44,237
Becoming an important and lasting
part of our community.

618
00:38:44,304 --> 00:38:49,313
In 1986, Dr. Richard Nurse, son of
Dr. Howard Nurse, purchased

619
00:38:49,380 --> 00:38:52,011
the hospital and continued the
family's multi-generational

620
00:38:52,078 --> 00:38:55,156
commitment to veterinary medicine.

621
00:38:56,035 --> 00:39:00,205
For nine decades, Moore Veterinary
Hospital has continually adapted

622
00:39:00,272 --> 00:39:03,202
to advances in veterinary medicine
while maintaining the

623
00:39:03,269 --> 00:39:05,500
personal attention, compassion, and
trust upon which it was

624
00:39:05,567 --> 00:39:07,459
founded.

625
00:39:07,526 --> 00:39:10,296
The history of Moore Veterinary
Hospital is not simply the

626
00:39:10,363 --> 00:39:12,295
history of a business,

627
00:39:12,362 --> 00:39:15,892
but a story of family, dedication,
community

628
00:39:15,959 --> 00:39:20,116
and the special bond between people
and their pets.

629
00:39:20,635 --> 00:39:23,486
Now, therefore, be it resolved that
the Mayor and Council of

630
00:39:23,553 --> 00:39:26,381
the City of St. Clair Shores on
behalf of all its citizens

631
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:29,681
extend our congratulations and best
wishes to Moore

632
00:39:29,748 --> 00:39:32,878
Veterinary Hospital on celebrating
its 90th

633
00:39:32,945 --> 00:39:34,977
anniversary and wish them many

634
00:39:35,044 --> 00:39:38,341
more years of continued success.

635
00:39:38,557 --> 00:39:39,390
Congratulations.

636
00:39:39,457 --> 00:39:45,755
[applause]

637
00:39:46,325 --> 00:39:47,657
you can just say.

638
00:39:48,273 --> 00:39:49,705
Uh, we're not a hundred years yet.

639
00:39:49,772 --> 00:39:51,803
No, but we're we'll be there in 10.

640
00:39:51,870 --> 00:39:54,348
That's still 90's pretty good. 90's
pretty good.

641
00:39:54,688 --> 00:39:58,058
Uh, but it's been fun, we, as you
said, we were in Detroit,

642
00:39:58,125 --> 00:40:01,243
uh, for a long time and when we came
out here.

643
00:40:02,456 --> 00:40:05,147
It's a very, very good decision that
we made.

644
00:40:05,214 --> 00:40:07,192
We're very happy with St. Clair
Shores.

645
00:40:07,412 --> 00:40:09,183
Um, so we keep on going.

646
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:12,278
Thank you. We appreciate it. Thank
you so much for everything.

647
00:40:14,116 --> 00:40:15,079
[applause]
Thank you.

648
00:40:15,146 --> 00:40:17,694
[applause]

649
00:40:20,901 --> 00:40:23,032
we're catering, and we don't see
anyone here,

650
00:40:23,099 --> 00:40:25,517
so we'll, we'll bring them back too.

651
00:40:32,891 --> 00:40:34,870
Proclamation for

652
00:40:36,748 --> 00:40:38,377
Donna Flaherty.

653
00:40:38,827 --> 00:40:40,009
Come on up.

654
00:40:40,076 --> 00:40:44,765
[applause]

655
00:40:44,832 --> 00:40:46,191
How are you, Donna?

656
00:40:48,259 --> 00:40:49,092
[laughter]

657
00:40:50,377 --> 00:40:52,569
I'll read this and you can say a few
words, please.

658
00:40:52,636 --> 00:40:54,787
I've seen you, Tiffa, you can say a
few words.

659
00:40:54,854 --> 00:40:55,963
[laughter]

660
00:40:57,322 --> 00:40:59,903
Celebrating 50 years of community
business

661
00:40:59,970 --> 00:41:01,808
and civic leadership,

662
00:41:03,677 --> 00:41:06,398
Whereas the mayor and council of the
city of St. Clair Shores

663
00:41:06,465 --> 00:41:08,935
are pleased to recognize Donna
Flaherty

664
00:41:09,002 --> 00:41:11,863
for more than five decades of
dedicated service,

665
00:41:11,930 --> 00:41:14,191
community involvement,
entrepreneurship and

666
00:41:14,258 --> 00:41:18,698
unwavering commitment to the city of
St. Clair Shores

667
00:41:18,765 --> 00:41:20,753
and for sure to the nautical mile.

668
00:41:21,582 --> 00:41:24,423
Donna came to St. Clair Shores more
than 50 years ago after

669
00:41:24,490 --> 00:41:27,088
growing up in Michigan's Upper
Peninsula.

670
00:41:27,318 --> 00:41:30,408
Beginning her career in the community
as a teacher and

671
00:41:30,475 --> 00:41:33,193
ultimately making St. Clair Shores

672
00:41:33,823 --> 00:41:36,074
where she raised her three sons and
built lifelong friendships

673
00:41:36,141 --> 00:41:38,971
and relationships with generations of
residents

674
00:41:39,038 --> 00:41:42,326
and local business owners.

675
00:41:43,085 --> 00:41:46,592
In 1985, Donna and her late husband,
Paul,

676
00:41:46,942 --> 00:41:48,963
found Gifts A'Float, beginning more
than a 40-year

677
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:52,737
entrepreneur journey on the nautical
mile.

678
00:41:53,157 --> 00:41:55,958
In 1989, the business was transformed
into a distinctive

679
00:41:56,025 --> 00:41:58,985
retail destination featuring
nautical,

680
00:41:59,052 --> 00:42:02,902
Great Lakes, boating, and maritime
merchandise.

681
00:42:02,969 --> 00:42:05,750
In 2011, after more than 25 years at
its original

682
00:42:05,817 --> 00:42:07,855
location,

683
00:42:08,045 --> 00:42:10,546
Gifts A'Float moved to 25020
Jefferson, which is really just

684
00:42:10,613 --> 00:42:12,741
about across the street.

685
00:42:13,811 --> 00:42:16,242
Remaining on the nautical mile, of
course, continuing the

686
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:18,740
commitment to the district Donna has
worked so tirelessly

687
00:42:18,807 --> 00:42:20,405
to promote.

688
00:42:20,685 --> 00:42:22,936
Donna helped co-found the Nautical
Mile Merchants

689
00:42:23,003 --> 00:42:25,834
Association, an organization
dedicated to promoting,

690
00:42:25,901 --> 00:42:28,831
strengthening and advancing the
business and attractions

691
00:42:28,898 --> 00:42:33,108
along the St. Clair Shores nautical
mile,

692
00:42:33,175 --> 00:42:36,725
serving as its president, director
since 2009 and

693
00:42:36,792 --> 00:42:39,723
becoming one of the district's most
recognizable and dedicated

694
00:42:39,790 --> 00:42:41,818
advocates.

695
00:42:42,188 --> 00:42:44,919
Donna has served in the city's tax
increment finance authority

696
00:42:44,986 --> 00:42:47,554
board since the 1990s,

697
00:42:47,673 --> 00:42:50,414
participating in long-term planning
and improvements that

698
00:42:50,481 --> 00:42:54,958
have helped shape the Nautical Mile
and surrounding community,

699
00:42:55,078 --> 00:42:58,308
including projects involving Wahby
Park, the Festival of

700
00:42:58,375 --> 00:43:01,705
Lights, and improvements at Blossom
Heath Park, as well as

701
00:43:01,772 --> 00:43:04,603
the volunteering with the St. Clair
Shores Memorial Day

702
00:43:04,670 --> 00:43:07,767
Parade Committee and the St. Clair
Shores Goodfellows.

703
00:43:08,527 --> 00:43:10,545
Now, therefore, be it resolved,

704
00:43:10,805 --> 00:43:13,696
that the mayor and council of the
city of St. Clair Shores,

705
00:43:13,763 --> 00:43:17,792
on behalf of all our residents,
publicly recognize and honor

706
00:43:17,859 --> 00:43:20,067
Donna Flaherty

707
00:43:20,397 --> 00:43:23,787
for her more than five decades of
service, leadership,

708
00:43:23,854 --> 00:43:29,373
entrepreneurship, and dedication to
the city of St. Clair Shores.

709
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,852
Congratulations, Donna.

710
00:43:30,919 --> 00:43:44,268
[applause]

711
00:43:45,217 --> 00:43:50,073
I'm just honored, I'm gonna probably
cry with happiness.

712
00:43:50,233 --> 00:43:51,732
But I love our city.

713
00:43:52,002 --> 00:43:54,563
Well, you've always been a great
proponent, not over the Nautical

714
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:57,261
Mile, but of St. Clair Shores, and
we, we want to thank you for

715
00:43:57,328 --> 00:43:59,759
all you have done to promote that and
make the Nautical Mile. It's

716
00:43:59,826 --> 00:44:01,377
just your baby and it's always been
that way.

717
00:44:01,444 --> 00:44:03,296
Oh, this is a beautiful city.

718
00:44:03,363 --> 00:44:04,732
Lovely people.

719
00:44:05,791 --> 00:44:06,624
[laughter]

720
00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:09,698
Well, thank you. And then we're very
emotional.

721
00:44:09,948 --> 00:44:11,696
Thank you, for everything. We
appreciate it.

722
00:44:11,786 --> 00:44:13,685
And thank you very much.

723
00:44:14,014 --> 00:44:15,166
Good evening. Thank you.

724
00:44:15,233 --> 00:44:25,195
[applause]

725
00:44:27,763 --> 00:44:29,535
And the last one is Constitution
Week, of course.

726
00:44:29,602 --> 00:44:32,739
September, September 17th through the
23rd.

727
00:44:33,109 --> 00:44:35,270
Uh, I know we got the Daughters of
the American Revolution,

728
00:44:35,337 --> 00:44:37,056
all right. Come on up, Greta.

729
00:44:37,276 --> 00:44:38,635
Good to see you.

730
00:44:40,963 --> 00:44:42,584
Sit, stand here, I'll read this.

731
00:44:42,651 --> 00:44:44,050
How are you this evening?

732
00:44:45,149 --> 00:44:47,088
And then you can say a few words if
you don't mind, right?

733
00:44:49,006 --> 00:44:51,417
We appreciate your organization too,
I mean, you were

734
00:44:51,484 --> 00:44:53,536
instrumental in reading the
declarations for the

735
00:44:53,603 --> 00:44:56,513
uh, 250th of the July 4th, so we
appreciate that. We, we, we

736
00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:59,111
said it back then, but publicly since
you're right here, we do

737
00:44:59,178 --> 00:45:00,607
appreciate the work.

738
00:45:00,676 --> 00:45:05,445
do and and how that turned out. It
turned out. It turned out very well
at at at Veterans Memorial Park.

739
00:45:05,512 --> 00:45:06,784
Okay.

740
00:45:06,851 --> 00:45:09,782
It was actually not July 4th,
actually not July 4th, actually it
was July, yeah that's correct.

741
00:45:09,849 --> 00:45:12,350
When everyone read it in America on
that date.

742
00:45:12,417 --> 00:45:13,908
I I I realized my error.

743
00:45:13,975 --> 00:45:16,886
[laughter]

744
00:45:16,953 --> 00:45:19,644
And I wanted to correct it before
maybe someone up here corrected me,

745
00:45:19,711 --> 00:45:22,568
maybe your husband or Mr. Karen or
someone like that. So

746
00:45:23,068 --> 00:45:24,400
Uh

747
00:45:24,707 --> 00:45:29,086
proclamation designating September
17th through 23rd, 2026 as

748
00:45:29,153 --> 00:45:32,001
United States Constitution Week.

749
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,381
Whereas in its 250th anniversary year
of the signing of the

750
00:45:35,448 --> 00:45:38,858
Declaration of Independence, which
proclaimed to the world the
revolutionary,

751
00:45:38,925 --> 00:45:43,075
revolutionary self-evident truths
that all men are created equal,

752
00:45:43,142 --> 00:45:46,622
and are endowed by their creator with
certain unalienable rights,

753
00:45:46,689 --> 00:45:50,366
including life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness.

754
00:45:51,036 --> 00:45:54,216
In this 239th anniversary year of the
drafting of the

755
00:45:54,283 --> 00:45:56,314
Constitution of the United States by
delegates

756
00:45:56,381 --> 00:46:01,910
to the Constitutional Convention,
which created the enduring
governmental

757
00:46:01,977 --> 00:46:07,782
foundation of We the People, securing
these evident, self-evident truths.

758
00:46:08,861 --> 00:46:12,601
Whereas it is fitting and proper to
ask our citizens to reaffirm

759
00:46:12,668 --> 00:46:15,449
the truths proclaimed in the
Declaration of Independence,

760
00:46:15,516 --> 00:46:18,596
reflect upon the personal and
governmental actions necessary

761
00:46:18,663 --> 00:46:21,744
to reaffirm and protect these truths

762
00:46:21,811 --> 00:46:23,942
as expressed in the Constitution.

763
00:46:24,009 --> 00:46:28,588
and execute their duty as We the
People by participating in their

764
00:46:28,655 --> 00:46:31,993
governmental, thoughtfully and
actively.

765
00:46:32,382 --> 00:46:35,883
It is fitting and proper to accord
official recognition to these

766
00:46:35,950 --> 00:46:41,378
anniversaries through patriotic
celebrations which will commemorate

767
00:46:41,445 --> 00:46:43,064
the occasion.

768
00:46:43,444 --> 00:46:47,373
Whereas Public Law 915 guarantees the
issuance of proclamation by

769
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,571
the President of the United States of
America designating September

770
00:46:50,638 --> 00:46:54,415
17th through the 23rd as Constitution
Week.

771
00:46:55,074 --> 00:46:58,564
Whereas during September 17th through
the 23rd, the National Society,

772
00:46:58,631 --> 00:47:02,661
Daughters of the American Revolution,
the Detroit chapter will celebrate

773
00:47:02,728 --> 00:47:06,845
the Constitution and the 235th
anniversary of the Bill of Rights.

774
00:47:07,065 --> 00:47:11,054
Now therefore be it resolved, the
mayor and Council do hereby proclaim
the week

775
00:47:11,121 --> 00:47:14,851
of September 17th through the 23rd in
the city of St. Clair Shores as

776
00:47:14,918 --> 00:47:17,389
the United States Constitution Week,

777
00:47:17,456 --> 00:47:21,946
and encourage all citizens to study
the Constitution and reflect on the

778
00:47:22,013 --> 00:47:26,342
privilege of being an American with
the rights and responsibilities which

779
00:47:26,409 --> 00:47:30,319
they, with with that privilege
entails, remembering that

780
00:47:30,386 --> 00:47:34,735
rights are lost, are difficult to
regain.

781
00:47:34,802 --> 00:47:37,044
So congratulations for that.

782
00:47:37,111 --> 00:47:42,429
[applause]

783
00:47:42,496 --> 00:47:44,804
Thank you so much, mayor and Council.

784
00:47:45,434 --> 00:47:49,124
Um, this is wonderful to get this
recognition. The Daughters of the

785
00:47:49,191 --> 00:47:52,971
American Revolution, um, exists to
keep patriotism alive and to

786
00:47:53,038 --> 00:47:58,536
educate the public on um, historic
dates and facts and and people.

787
00:47:58,603 --> 00:48:03,702
Um, I personally have ten um
ancestors who fought for this
country,

788
00:48:03,769 --> 00:48:05,930
and I'm still researching more.

789
00:48:05,997 --> 00:48:09,608
We're actually going to Philadelphia
later this week to uh do some

790
00:48:09,675 --> 00:48:11,616
genealogy research.

791
00:48:11,683 --> 00:48:15,603
It's fun. I hope everyone in this
room looks into their family tree. We
are

792
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:17,082
probably cousins, no doubt.

793
00:48:17,149 --> 00:48:22,297
And um, I know 250 years ago we
didn't have flat cameras, but

794
00:48:22,364 --> 00:48:25,335
the fact that you're here, this is
what participatory government's all
about and

795
00:48:25,402 --> 00:48:28,233
and it's uh it's a you're patriotic
duty, so thank you all for coming
tonight.

796
00:48:28,300 --> 00:48:29,572
Thank you for

797
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:37,282
[applause]

798
00:48:39,568 --> 00:48:41,799
Thank you.

799
00:48:42,368 --> 00:48:43,510
It's good.

800
00:48:43,577 --> 00:48:44,410
[clattering]

801
00:48:44,696 --> 00:48:46,028
I can give you five.

802
00:48:49,692 --> 00:48:51,024
Thank you.

803
00:48:51,491 --> 00:48:52,823
Thank you.

804
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:54,748
Thank you.

805
00:48:55,468 --> 00:48:56,800
Thanks, Gran.

806
00:48:57,366 --> 00:48:58,685
[cough]

807
00:48:59,684 --> 00:49:01,016
Thank you.

808
00:49:01,783 --> 00:49:03,115
Thank you.

809
00:49:03,282 --> 00:49:05,912
Thank you.

810
00:49:06,779 --> 00:49:09,210
Thank you.

811
00:49:09,577 --> 00:49:10,908
Thank you.

812
00:49:10,975 --> 00:49:16,371
[paper rustling]

813
00:49:16,871 --> 00:49:18,502
Item three is audience participation.

814
00:49:18,569 --> 00:49:19,402
Hey, America.

815
00:49:19,469 --> 00:49:20,801
Oh, yeah, my money.

816
00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:23,731
Maybe for the presenters,

817
00:49:23,798 --> 00:49:25,280
candidates the official meeting
starts.

818
00:49:25,347 --> 00:49:26,979
They don't need to stay if they
don't,

819
00:49:27,046 --> 00:49:28,278
or the people who all got

820
00:49:28,345 --> 00:49:30,426
proclamations don't need to stay if
they need to go.

821
00:49:30,493 --> 00:49:31,326
No, thank you.

822
00:49:31,393 --> 00:49:33,025
[laughter]

823
00:49:33,824 --> 00:49:35,423
This is your chance.

824
00:49:37,621 --> 00:49:42,018
[paper rustling]

825
00:49:44,615 --> 00:49:45,448
[clattering]

826
00:49:53,009 --> 00:49:55,007
[inaudible]

827
00:49:55,607 --> 00:49:57,538
We're going to get your church, I
sure can.

828
00:49:57,605 --> 00:49:58,637
Can you see it?

829
00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:00,103
[inaudible]

830
00:50:15,541 --> 00:50:20,120
So item three is um audience
participation on the agenda items.

831
00:50:20,187 --> 00:50:24,317
Abby, do we have any, it's two-minute
timeline to speak on agenda items?

832
00:50:24,384 --> 00:50:28,613
Yes, we have 12 speakers. The first
speaker is John Noble, a Roseville

833
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,710
resident speaking on agenda item 10A.

834
00:50:32,777 --> 00:50:34,109
Okay, thank you.

835
00:50:46,366 --> 00:50:47,698
Good evening.

836
00:50:47,965 --> 00:50:50,763
My name is John. I'm a Roseville
resident.

837
00:50:51,062 --> 00:50:53,893
I have a monthly membership at Shores
Yoga

838
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,090
and I attend your social districts
quite often.

839
00:50:57,157 --> 00:50:59,688
Um. Great. I love your city. Great.

840
00:50:59,755 --> 00:51:02,286
I'm a former minister and an army
veteran.

841
00:51:02,353 --> 00:51:04,052
I work in cybersecurity.

842
00:51:04,951 --> 00:51:09,248
I know a lot about both surveillance
and cybersecurity.

843
00:51:09,547 --> 00:51:12,745
I expect other people are going to
talk to you about those things today.

844
00:51:12,945 --> 00:51:16,442
What I want to talk to you about is
this:

845
00:51:16,842 --> 00:51:20,239
Don't trust the salesperson.

846
00:51:21,638 --> 00:51:22,970
Sales people lie.

847
00:51:23,436 --> 00:51:27,033
They tell us that social media is
safe for our kids.

848
00:51:28,233 --> 00:51:31,730
They tell us that opioids are safe
for our patients.

849
00:51:33,129 --> 00:51:36,559
Trust your local subject matter
experts,

850
00:51:36,626 --> 00:51:40,223
the citizens who are here today.

851
00:51:41,022 --> 00:51:43,453
not the A P L R sales people.

852
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,352
Pardon me, I got a frog in my throat.

853
00:51:45,419 --> 00:51:47,017
[throat clearing]

854
00:51:48,316 --> 00:51:51,214
I know that many of us are probably
here for the same reason.

855
00:51:52,513 --> 00:51:54,811
Um, we're here to talk about Flock.

856
00:51:55,011 --> 00:52:00,207
And it's probably our first city
council meeting for a lot of us,
right?

857
00:52:01,206 --> 00:52:03,504
Being here is a first step,

858
00:52:04,104 --> 00:52:07,734
but it can't be the last. Flock and
all this other nonsense that's

859
00:52:07,801 --> 00:52:10,399
happening is happening because

860
00:52:10,499 --> 00:52:13,929
for too long, many of us haven't been
active in our communities.

861
00:52:13,996 --> 00:52:16,627
One of my core beliefs is that our
communities are healthier

862
00:52:16,694 --> 00:52:19,092
when we're all involved.

863
00:52:19,491 --> 00:52:22,289
So it doesn't matter to me what your
politics are,

864
00:52:22,389 --> 00:52:25,420
whether you're a Democratic socialist
like myself, a libertarian

865
00:52:25,487 --> 00:52:27,785
like my buddy Mike over here.

866
00:52:28,184 --> 00:52:30,383
Whether you voted for Trump three
times.

867
00:52:30,982 --> 00:52:34,612
It's my goal for all of us to spend
less time in front of our screens

868
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,010
and more time improving our
communities

869
00:52:37,077 --> 00:52:40,408
and helping our representatives make
the right decisions.

870
00:52:40,475 --> 00:52:43,605
If that sounds good to you, uh,
please come talk to me afterwards.

871
00:52:43,672 --> 00:52:46,603
I will help you connect to something
that works for you.

872
00:52:46,670 --> 00:52:47,503
Thank you.

873
00:52:47,570 --> 00:52:55,696
[applause]

874
00:52:56,396 --> 00:53:01,692
Helen Drolet, a St. Clair Shores
resident speaking on agenda item 10.

875
00:53:07,787 --> 00:53:09,818
Also here about the Flock camera.

876
00:53:09,885 --> 00:53:12,683
I've been a resident of St. Clair
Shores for 40 years.

877
00:53:13,282 --> 00:53:16,613
I think a lot of people are very
concerned about invasion of privacy

878
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:19,278
and the use of information.

879
00:53:20,177 --> 00:53:22,508
We already have phones that can track
us.

880
00:53:22,575 --> 00:53:24,806
We have already their cars that can
track us.

881
00:53:24,873 --> 00:53:27,804
You have your grocery store that know
what you buy.

882
00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:30,469
You have Google that find your house.

883
00:53:30,968 --> 00:53:33,566
People are getting tired of that.

884
00:53:34,166 --> 00:53:37,396
They wonder now, this is the start of
something that we don't know

885
00:53:37,463 --> 00:53:39,861
how far is it going to go.

886
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,458
This is different. This is not the
same.

887
00:53:45,157 --> 00:53:46,955
Now we're going to call it Big
Brother?

888
00:53:47,655 --> 00:53:49,653
Are we going to call it Big
Government?

889
00:53:50,553 --> 00:53:53,783
Nobody is interested in Big
Government to be followed everywhere

890
00:53:53,850 --> 00:53:56,780
they go in every activity they do.

891
00:53:56,847 --> 00:54:00,944
Going to church, going to school,
going to the stores.

892
00:54:01,644 --> 00:54:05,474
Information being share all over the
country. We know that.

893
00:54:05,541 --> 00:54:09,770
Just go online. I'm 73 years old. I
can go online and find why

894
00:54:09,837 --> 00:54:14,333
all the Flock cameras are all over
the country.

895
00:54:14,933 --> 00:54:15,965
Sterling Heights.

896
00:54:16,032 --> 00:54:18,463
I went to a meeting in Sterling
Heights

897
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:20,462
to speak against Flock cameras.

898
00:54:20,529 --> 00:54:23,759
This is not just our city, this is
not just Macomb County,

899
00:54:23,826 --> 00:54:29,321
this is concerned the state and the
whole country.

900
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,051
Other cities are speaking out.

901
00:54:33,118 --> 00:54:34,450
Are you watching?

902
00:54:34,517 --> 00:54:38,114
Are you watching everybody what other
cities are doing about that?

903
00:54:40,712 --> 00:54:43,743
Please, it's time for people to speak
against things they don't care

904
00:54:43,810 --> 00:54:46,108
about in their city.

905
00:54:47,807 --> 00:54:50,238
Are those information share all over
the country?

906
00:54:50,305 --> 00:54:52,603
Yes, they are, and we know that.

907
00:54:53,102 --> 00:54:55,533
Are they being used for Flock camera,
are they used for

908
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,398
immigration, for ICE?

909
00:54:59,397 --> 00:55:01,296
Please, write down.

910
00:55:01,767 --> 00:55:06,886
it's time to think about the senators
of both parties who

911
00:55:06,953 --> 00:55:10,144
decided to this to speak about the
flock cameras.

912
00:55:10,211 --> 00:55:14,240
We have expressing, they are
expressing concern right now

913
00:55:14,307 --> 00:55:17,615
from both parties about the use of
flock cameras.

914
00:55:17,974 --> 00:55:22,504
So I ask you at this time, since it's
not resolved,

915
00:55:22,571 --> 00:55:25,571
that we should put a hold on the use
of those cameras

916
00:55:25,638 --> 00:55:28,419
until the state make regulation

917
00:55:28,486 --> 00:55:31,567
and the government federal put
regulation.

918
00:55:31,634 --> 00:55:35,403
This concern every citizen all over
the United States.

919
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:36,313
Thank you.

920
00:55:36,380 --> 00:55:50,129
[applause]

921
00:55:52,417 --> 00:55:54,288
Daryl Mudechen.

922
00:55:54,355 --> 00:55:55,657
You got it.

923
00:55:55,724 --> 00:56:00,301
Uh, St. Clair Shores resident
speaking on agenda 10A.

924
00:56:00,886 --> 00:56:01,719
Thank you.

925
00:56:01,786 --> 00:56:04,011
It's very ironic that it's
Constitution week.

926
00:56:04,078 --> 00:56:06,139
I'd love to hear what the Daughters
of the American

927
00:56:06,206 --> 00:56:08,174
Revolution would say about Flock
Cameras.

928
00:56:08,864 --> 00:56:11,395
Um, so thank you for being here very
much. I appreciate it.

929
00:56:11,462 --> 00:56:12,863
I just want to thank the mayor and
council

930
00:56:12,930 --> 00:56:14,592
for adding Flock to the agenda.

931
00:56:14,659 --> 00:56:16,580
Originally, it wasn't on the agenda,

932
00:56:16,647 --> 00:56:18,679
so I think adding it after the fact
that it was pointed out

933
00:56:18,746 --> 00:56:21,394
showed a lot of respect, so I really
appreciate that.

934
00:56:23,312 --> 00:56:25,483
I would like to reference the last
time I was up here

935
00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:27,921
and read from the standard contract
from Flock.

936
00:56:27,988 --> 00:56:30,829
It gives them the rights and
ownership of the data

937
00:56:30,896 --> 00:56:33,077
for all types of reasons to be shared

938
00:56:33,144 --> 00:56:34,973
and I won't read that again.

939
00:56:35,203 --> 00:56:37,584
Uh, I bring it up because I put in a
FOIA request

940
00:56:37,651 --> 00:56:39,262
requesting my Flock data into, uh, on
my

941
00:56:39,329 --> 00:56:41,411
info on my plate or full name

942
00:56:41,478 --> 00:56:45,327
for the month of August of 2026.

943
00:56:45,394 --> 00:56:47,416
The request was denied for a few
reasons.

944
00:56:47,483 --> 00:56:49,064
One being I'm not under
investigation,

945
00:56:49,131 --> 00:56:50,853
so they don't have an incident
number.

946
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,190
Uh, that's a policy thing at our
department and I get that.

947
00:56:54,257 --> 00:56:56,049
But when I called to talk to the
records office,

948
00:56:56,116 --> 00:56:57,887
I talked to one of our sergeants,

949
00:56:57,954 --> 00:57:00,076
and they helped me understand the
department policy

950
00:57:00,143 --> 00:57:03,323
and why they could not fulfill the
request.

951
00:57:03,390 --> 00:57:06,401
I pressed further on why I can't have
what Flock has on me

952
00:57:06,468 --> 00:57:08,709
because supposedly it's being sold to
us as data owned

953
00:57:08,776 --> 00:57:11,916
by your local police department.

954
00:57:11,983 --> 00:57:13,775
I was told, and I am paraphrasing,

955
00:57:13,842 --> 00:57:15,913
the data is not theirs to give me.

956
00:57:15,980 --> 00:57:17,871
So I am not blaming anyone here,

957
00:57:17,938 --> 00:57:20,469
but it's just a lack, not just a lack
of transparency

958
00:57:20,536 --> 00:57:22,877
on what info Flock has on us,

959
00:57:22,944 --> 00:57:24,456
it's no transparency.

960
00:57:24,523 --> 00:57:28,020
I would ask if they have nothing to
hide, why the secrecy.

961
00:57:28,590 --> 00:57:30,591
Uh, why is this important?

962
00:57:30,658 --> 00:57:33,149
Well because big companies with tons
of cybersecurity

963
00:57:33,216 --> 00:57:36,506
get hacked all the time, companies
like Sony Pictures,

964
00:57:36,573 --> 00:57:39,794
JP Morgan Chase, Capital One, Central
Bank of Chile

965
00:57:39,861 --> 00:57:42,242
and many others including Flock as
reported

966
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:45,499
by 404 Media and that was a recent
report.

967
00:57:45,566 --> 00:57:48,337
Uh also cybersecurity firm Hudson
Rock found that at least

968
00:57:48,404 --> 00:57:51,864
35 Flock Safety law enforcement
customer accounts

969
00:57:51,931 --> 00:57:54,592
were compromised by info stealer
malware

970
00:57:54,659 --> 00:57:58,859
with credentials later up for sale on
Russian

971
00:57:58,926 --> 00:58:02,123
cybersecurity forums.

972
00:58:02,733 --> 00:58:05,223
So when the next time comes and Flock
gets hacked

973
00:58:05,290 --> 00:58:08,351
and the hackers could possibly have
my entire family's

974
00:58:08,418 --> 00:58:10,050
whereabouts for a month and great
predictive data

975
00:58:10,117 --> 00:58:12,328
on how to victimize me in the future,

976
00:58:12,395 --> 00:58:14,226
I am not comfortable with that

977
00:58:14,293 --> 00:58:16,754
and law abiding citizens shouldn't
have to put up

978
00:58:16,821 --> 00:58:19,352
with being tracked by an
unaccountable company

979
00:58:19,419 --> 00:58:22,290
like Flock Safety whose data on us is
not safe

980
00:58:22,357 --> 00:58:24,398
and who directly profits on ending
the privacy

981
00:58:24,465 --> 00:58:26,864
of their fellow Americans. Thank you.

982
00:58:26,931 --> 00:58:41,322
[applause]

983
00:58:42,980 --> 00:58:44,472
Joyce Jaki.

984
00:58:44,539 --> 00:58:47,776
A St. Clair Shores resident speaking
on agenda item 10.

985
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,041
Hello.

986
00:58:58,108 --> 00:59:01,391
I'm Joyce. I'm lived in St. Clair
Shores now for oh,

987
00:59:01,458 --> 00:59:04,469
longer than I even want to mention.

988
00:59:04,536 --> 00:59:08,016
But I strongly urge the officials who
did agree

989
00:59:08,083 --> 00:59:11,913
to the, uh, contract with Flock

990
00:59:11,980 --> 00:59:15,230
to please very, very seriously
consider

991
00:59:15,297 --> 00:59:18,115
annulling it.

992
00:59:18,705 --> 00:59:23,841
Um, personally, I don't feel safer
with Flock cameras.

993
00:59:24,270 --> 00:59:27,850
Uh, and you know, one of the first
things I thought of,

994
00:59:27,917 --> 00:59:30,998
um, when I started thinking more
about Flock cameras

995
00:59:31,065 --> 00:59:33,763
was way back to 2001.

996
00:59:34,272 --> 00:59:37,600
When the airplanes hit our Twin
Towers.

997
00:59:37,729 --> 00:59:39,468
Yes, it was horrific.

998
00:59:39,608 --> 00:59:43,025
It was horrible and I was scared out
of my wits.

999
00:59:43,525 --> 00:59:48,674
However, when Bush started talking
about the Patriot Act

1000
00:59:48,741 --> 00:59:51,092
and I'm sure there are people in this
room who lived

1001
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:53,770
through this.

1002
00:59:53,837 --> 00:59:56,587
It was a time of real consternation.

1003
00:59:56,654 --> 01:00:00,025
Do we want to give up our rights to
the government?

1004
01:00:00,092 --> 01:00:01,520
Do we want to

1005
01:00:01,851 --> 01:00:03,623
give up some of the things that

1006
01:00:03,690 --> 01:00:06,101
our forefathers fought for. What

1007
01:00:06,168 --> 01:00:08,279
what my father fought for.

1008
01:00:08,346 --> 01:00:09,718
Um,

1009
01:00:09,785 --> 01:00:12,026
so again, I

1010
01:00:12,093 --> 01:00:14,274
you know, we were afraid. We were
afraid that it was going to

1011
01:00:14,341 --> 01:00:16,193
become a slippery slope.

1012
01:00:16,260 --> 01:00:20,899
And indeed, it has become a very
slippery slope

1013
01:00:20,966 --> 01:00:26,195
because we've had several other
surveillance legislation.

1014
01:00:26,262 --> 01:00:28,523
Uh, passed.

1015
01:00:28,590 --> 01:00:32,000
And I just want to

1016
01:00:32,067 --> 01:00:35,747
uh, tell you that I'm a firm believer
in our Bill of Rights.

1017
01:00:35,814 --> 01:00:39,414
I don't like to see the Bill of
Rights eroded.

1018
01:00:39,481 --> 01:00:42,182
and I don't think you do either.

1019
01:00:42,249 --> 01:00:44,007
And

1020
01:00:44,657 --> 01:00:48,517
you know, what what what has all this
surveillance doing for us?

1021
01:00:48,584 --> 01:00:50,365
I'll tell you, um,

1022
01:00:50,432 --> 01:00:52,424
I'm not scared of my neighbors.

1023
01:00:52,491 --> 01:00:54,312
I'm not scared of immigrants.

1024
01:00:54,379 --> 01:00:57,000
I'm not scared of people with darker
skin.

1025
01:00:57,067 --> 01:00:58,249
What I'm scared of

1026
01:00:58,316 --> 01:01:03,172
is how the federal government is
trying to uh, put wedges in

1027
01:01:03,239 --> 01:01:08,081
between us and tell us that we should
be scared

1028
01:01:08,148 --> 01:01:09,310
of each other.

1029
01:01:09,377 --> 01:01:10,210
Thank you.

1030
01:01:10,277 --> 01:01:24,549
[applause]

1031
01:01:25,298 --> 01:01:29,815
Daniel Barr, a Saint Clair Shores
resident speaking on agenda item 10.

1032
01:01:34,291 --> 01:01:35,623
Good evening.

1033
01:01:36,486 --> 01:01:39,017
Two weeks ago, other residents and I
stood here and raised

1034
01:01:39,084 --> 01:01:40,686
our concerns about flock.

1035
01:01:40,753 --> 01:01:43,753
Since then, we've seen what happened
in East Point

1036
01:01:43,820 --> 01:01:46,801
with the misuse of this unregulated,

1037
01:01:46,868 --> 01:01:49,719
uncertified, untrain, un uh,

1038
01:01:49,786 --> 01:01:51,387
restrained by Michigan law

1039
01:01:51,454 --> 01:01:54,132
private AI surveillance system.

1040
01:01:54,532 --> 01:01:59,051
East Point was one of the 147 trusted
agencies St. Clair Shores

1041
01:01:59,118 --> 01:02:01,406
shared our flock data with.

1042
01:02:02,036 --> 01:02:04,247
Six days ago, East Point Council
voted 4-1 to end

1043
01:02:04,314 --> 01:02:06,732
its flock contract.

1044
01:02:07,791 --> 01:02:08,933
Trust is the keyword here.

1045
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,862
The facts show again,

1046
01:02:10,929 --> 01:02:16,058
for the last 14 months, flock has
been testing this system

1047
01:02:16,125 --> 01:02:18,463
on the residents of St. Clair Shores.

1048
01:02:19,112 --> 01:02:21,433
Every flock violation is followed by
the same story,

1049
01:02:21,500 --> 01:02:24,970
statements, patches, enhancements,

1050
01:02:25,037 --> 01:02:28,797
rehearsed sales promises and a
request for more time,

1051
01:02:28,864 --> 01:02:32,072
one more time to trust that they got
it right.

1052
01:02:32,811 --> 01:02:35,772
So how long does St. Clair Shores
willing to accept this risk

1053
01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:37,797
and legal liability?

1054
01:02:38,806 --> 01:02:42,746
How long will we ignore that St.
Clair Shores's own policies

1055
01:02:42,813 --> 01:02:45,114
and actions can't prevent what other
trusted agencies

1056
01:02:45,181 --> 01:02:47,439
do with our data?

1057
01:02:48,009 --> 01:02:49,761
Neither St. Clair Shores PD nor Flock
can stop

1058
01:02:49,828 --> 01:02:51,986
the next East Point.

1059
01:02:52,455 --> 01:02:55,356
St. Clair Shores doesn't need another
sales presentation,

1060
01:02:55,423 --> 01:02:57,894
we don't need more testimonials

1061
01:02:57,961 --> 01:03:01,301
or another list of upgrades and
promises

1062
01:03:01,368 --> 01:03:04,606
that the system is now secure.

1063
01:03:04,935 --> 01:03:08,036
I call on the council to protect the
people of St. Clair Shores

1064
01:03:08,103 --> 01:03:10,611
and cancel the flock contract.

1065
01:03:10,811 --> 01:03:13,312
And I want to take one second since I
have a few seconds here,

1066
01:03:13,379 --> 01:03:15,857
I want to thank everybody for showing
up.

1067
01:03:16,186 --> 01:03:18,075
Whether you believe in it or not,

1068
01:03:18,744 --> 01:03:19,634
showing up is the big deal.

1069
01:03:19,701 --> 01:03:21,935
And someone else mentioned it, and I
want to mention it again,

1070
01:03:22,002 --> 01:03:23,134
and I want to uh,

1071
01:03:23,201 --> 01:03:24,540
really acknowledge that.

1072
01:03:25,269 --> 01:03:26,621
Um, that is the important part

1073
01:03:26,688 --> 01:03:28,749
because as I mentioned last time,

1074
01:03:28,816 --> 01:03:31,547
we got to get this right. And this is
our chance.

1075
01:03:31,614 --> 01:03:32,447
Thank you.

1076
01:03:32,514 --> 01:03:46,326
[applause]

1077
01:03:46,896 --> 01:03:51,322
Aaron Dome, a Roseville resident
speaking on agenda item 10A.

1078
01:04:00,885 --> 01:04:01,817
Hi. All right.

1079
01:04:01,884 --> 01:04:06,393
I had something prepared, uh, but I
decided to just wing it.

1080
01:04:06,460 --> 01:04:10,720
I got home today and I had my wife
and my two daughters.

1081
01:04:10,787 --> 01:04:13,008
They were uh, cooking dinner and
playing solitaire,

1082
01:04:13,075 --> 01:04:15,226
and it was wonderful.

1083
01:04:15,293 --> 01:04:17,634
And I had to leave to come here

1084
01:04:17,701 --> 01:04:21,002
to convince people to not set up a
infrastructure for a mass

1085
01:04:21,069 --> 01:04:25,145
surveillance network.

1086
01:04:25,865 --> 01:04:27,996
Why am I doing this?

1087
01:04:28,063 --> 01:04:30,494
[applause]

1088
01:04:30,561 --> 01:04:34,990
And and it's happening like East
Point,

1089
01:04:35,057 --> 01:04:38,168
Florida, it's all over the news.

1090
01:04:38,235 --> 01:04:39,587
People are getting rid of it.

1091
01:04:39,654 --> 01:04:43,214
They don't, we us Americans take our
freedom very seriously.

1092
01:04:43,281 --> 01:04:46,039
And that's why we're all here.

1093
01:04:46,448 --> 01:04:47,480
And it's happening.

1094
01:04:47,547 --> 01:04:51,367
So I really hope we as Michigan can
take our freedom seriously

1095
01:04:51,434 --> 01:04:54,302
and be on the right side of this.

1096
01:04:55,341 --> 01:04:57,272
Or or you guys are going to get left
behind because we're

1097
01:04:57,339 --> 01:04:58,172
doing it.

1098
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:00,013
We're getting rid of flock. We're
what do petitions,

1099
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:01,879
whatever it takes. It's happening.

1100
01:05:02,848 --> 01:05:04,140
So, thank you guys so much.

1101
01:05:04,207 --> 01:05:15,538
[applause]

1102
01:05:16,497 --> 01:05:20,834
Jason A.G. uh, speaking on agenda
item 10A.

1103
01:05:34,163 --> 01:05:35,438
Hello, gentlemen. My name's Jason
Die.

1104
01:05:35,505 --> 01:05:37,856
I am the candidate for Attorney
General under the

1105
01:05:37,923 --> 01:05:39,475
Libertarian ticket.

1106
01:05:39,542 --> 01:05:42,562
I'm going to start this off since
it's Constitution week.

1107
01:05:42,629 --> 01:05:44,631
We're going to go to my favorite
part, Article 6,

1108
01:05:44,698 --> 01:05:47,019
paragraph 2, the supremacy clause.

1109
01:05:47,086 --> 01:05:48,601
Follow me here.

1110
01:05:49,071 --> 01:05:51,785
The Constitution and the laws of the
United States which

1111
01:05:51,852 --> 01:05:56,338
shall be made in pursuance thereof.

1112
01:05:56,405 --> 01:05:58,726
So all laws got to be made in
pursuance of this, correct?

1113
01:05:58,793 --> 01:06:00,125
Great.

1114
01:06:00,282 --> 01:06:02,366
And all treaties made or which shall
be made under

1115
01:06:02,433 --> 01:06:05,174
the authority of the United States,

1116
01:06:05,241 --> 01:06:09,128
shall be the supreme law of the land.

1117
01:06:09,195 --> 01:06:13,451
And judges in every state are bound
thereby.

1118
01:06:13,621 --> 01:06:14,953
Right?

1119
01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:17,224
And anything in this Constitution or
laws of any

1120
01:06:17,291 --> 01:06:21,781
state to the contrary, not
withstanding.

1121
01:06:21,848 --> 01:06:23,180
Know what that means?

1122
01:06:23,274 --> 01:06:27,104
Dead on conception. No duty to
enforce, no duty to obey.

1123
01:06:27,171 --> 01:06:28,945
Let's go here to this wonderful, uh,

1124
01:06:29,012 --> 01:06:30,341
Bill of Rights here.

1125
01:06:30,408 --> 01:06:33,625
Get into this, uh, fourth amendment
here.

1126
01:06:33,925 --> 01:06:36,569
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons,

1127
01:06:36,636 --> 01:06:40,776
houses, papers and effects against
unreasonable searches,

1128
01:06:40,843 --> 01:06:42,851
Hmm, what would make a search
unreasonable?

1129
01:06:42,918 --> 01:06:44,250
I'll continue.

1130
01:06:44,357 --> 01:06:46,681
And Caesars shall not be violated,
and no warrants

1131
01:06:46,748 --> 01:06:50,175
shall issue but upon probable cause.

1132
01:06:50,242 --> 01:06:51,607
Hmm, supported by oath.

1133
01:06:51,674 --> 01:06:53,335
You know, that thing every one of you
swore as elected

1134
01:06:53,402 --> 01:06:54,771
officials?

1135
01:06:54,838 --> 01:06:56,110
That?

1136
01:06:56,177 --> 01:06:57,772
Or affirmation, and particularly
describing

1137
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,390
the place to be searched, and the
persons or things

1138
01:07:00,457 --> 01:07:02,718
to be seized.

1139
01:07:02,785 --> 01:07:06,615
Commonly referred to as the
warrant-less search amendment.

1140
01:07:06,682 --> 01:07:07,731
Hence flock.

1141
01:07:07,798 --> 01:07:09,350
Now, I'm going to take it even a step
further.

1142
01:07:09,417 --> 01:07:11,825
Let's get into this wonderful first
amendment here.

1143
01:07:12,264 --> 01:07:14,069
Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment

1144
01:07:14,136 --> 01:07:18,982
of religion, or prohibiting the free
exercise thereof.

1145
01:07:19,049 --> 01:07:20,381
Or.

1146
01:07:20,708 --> 01:07:22,712
Abridging the freedom of speech, or
of the press,

1147
01:07:22,779 --> 01:07:26,099
or of the right of the people to
peacefully assemble and to

1148
01:07:26,166 --> 01:07:29,194
petition their government for a
redress of grievances.

1149
01:07:29,261 --> 01:07:31,495
I don't know about you, but I don't
feel too free going to

1150
01:07:31,562 --> 01:07:33,383
my church with a freaking flock
camera,

1151
01:07:33,450 --> 01:07:35,502
telling me where I'm going, what
about redressing the

1152
01:07:35,569 --> 01:07:37,637
grievance, uh, here petition in the
government?

1153
01:07:37,704 --> 01:07:39,139
Now you know everybody that's going?

1154
01:07:39,206 --> 01:07:41,271
What kind of database are you really
building?

1155
01:07:41,341 --> 01:07:42,626
Next, we're going to get onto my five
minute,

1156
01:07:42,693 --> 01:07:44,694
at the end of this, we're going to
get into that good

1157
01:07:44,761 --> 01:07:47,003
old Declaration of Independence
because the first

1158
01:07:47,070 --> 01:07:49,884
paragraph's about abolishing corrupt
government.

1159
01:07:49,974 --> 01:07:59,606
[applause]

1160
01:08:00,236 --> 01:08:02,670
Lisa Oxford, a St. Clair Shores
resident, speaking

1161
01:08:02,737 --> 01:08:05,612
on agenda item 10A.

1162
01:08:08,858 --> 01:08:09,691
Good evening.

1163
01:08:09,758 --> 01:08:10,860
Hello.

1164
01:08:10,927 --> 01:08:13,575
I don't have something prepared for
the two minutes.

1165
01:08:13,785 --> 01:08:16,219
I do intend to speak on ALPR systems
later on

1166
01:08:16,286 --> 01:08:18,851
in the evening.

1167
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:22,468
I'd just like to thank everybody for
coming tonight.

1168
01:08:23,657 --> 01:08:25,741
I don't want to lose sight of what
the system is

1169
01:08:25,808 --> 01:08:27,974
really about.

1170
01:08:29,183 --> 01:08:31,437
It's about the mass warrantless
surveillance

1171
01:08:31,504 --> 01:08:36,687
of the American people and everyone
in our country.

1172
01:08:38,166 --> 01:08:42,018
We heard earlier about how difficult
it was to gain

1173
01:08:42,085 --> 01:08:46,299
these rights.

1174
01:08:47,658 --> 01:08:48,890
It wasn't easy.

1175
01:08:48,957 --> 01:08:52,134
We didn't vote to become a country.

1176
01:08:53,084 --> 01:08:56,457
What will we have to do to retain
them if we lose them?

1177
01:08:56,524 --> 01:08:58,329
Well, if we lose them?

1178
01:08:58,839 --> 01:09:00,351
How will you get them back?

1179
01:09:00,418 --> 01:09:01,797
What happens?

1180
01:09:08,771 --> 01:09:11,249
What kind of country do I want to
live in?

1181
01:09:14,017 --> 01:09:15,349
Well,

1182
01:09:15,815 --> 01:09:19,722
I think that you'll hear a lot about
these systems tonight.

1183
01:09:20,042 --> 01:09:22,240
And it's not just about one company.

1184
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,044
It's about what they are in general.

1185
01:09:25,111 --> 01:09:27,122
It's not about Axon, it's not about
Flock,

1186
01:09:27,189 --> 01:09:29,065
it's not about vigilant.

1187
01:09:29,724 --> 01:09:31,873
There are many different systems.

1188
01:09:32,992 --> 01:09:35,779
But they all do the same horrible
thing.

1189
01:09:38,207 --> 01:09:40,795
There are some decisions we can't
come back from.

1190
01:09:42,404 --> 01:09:44,223
And I hope we make the right ones.

1191
01:09:45,841 --> 01:09:48,855
Tonight I hope to tell you a little
bit about the system

1192
01:09:48,922 --> 01:09:52,312
that maybe you haven't heard yet.

1193
01:09:52,379 --> 01:09:56,626
And that maybe other folks don't
intend to touch upon.

1194
01:09:56,693 --> 01:09:58,671
Because it is something that's
overlooked.

1195
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:01,769
You're giving up something important.

1196
01:10:02,213 --> 01:10:04,202
for something extremely stupid.

1197
01:10:05,641 --> 01:10:07,222
Well, I thank you for your time.

1198
01:10:07,289 --> 01:10:16,527
[applause]

1199
01:10:16,956 --> 01:10:20,287
Mike Saliba, a Clinton Township
resident,

1200
01:10:20,354 --> 01:10:22,822
speaking on agenda item 10A.

1201
01:10:32,034 --> 01:10:33,713
Hi, I'm Mike.

1202
01:10:35,082 --> 01:10:38,612
I'm Mike Saliba. I'm the chair of the
Libertarian Party

1203
01:10:38,679 --> 01:10:42,509
here in Macomb County, and I'm the
Libertarian Party candidate

1204
01:10:42,576 --> 01:10:44,854
for US House of Representatives here
in the 10th.

1205
01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,865
I'm trying to become a member of
government as you

1206
01:10:47,932 --> 01:10:50,260
are all already members of
government.

1207
01:10:51,029 --> 01:10:54,459
So, I spent a lot of time thinking
about past members of

1208
01:10:54,526 --> 01:10:57,427
past governments

1209
01:10:57,494 --> 01:10:59,992
who I'd like to emulate and who I
wouldn't.

1210
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,650
When I think about Benjamin Franklin,
John Adams,

1211
01:11:05,717 --> 01:11:09,847
Thomas Jefferson, and George
Washington,

1212
01:11:09,914 --> 01:11:13,944
and wonder if they would have
utilized a system like this,

1213
01:11:14,011 --> 01:11:16,109
I don't think they would have.

1214
01:11:17,648 --> 01:11:19,736
When I think of Joseph Stalin,

1215
01:11:20,556 --> 01:11:22,204
Benito Mussolini,

1216
01:11:22,564 --> 01:11:24,123
Mao Zedong,

1217
01:11:24,372 --> 01:11:25,971
and Adolf Hitler,

1218
01:11:27,070 --> 01:11:28,769
I think they would have jumped at it.

1219
01:11:29,968 --> 01:11:32,799
Since you're already members of
government, it's up to you to

1220
01:11:32,866 --> 01:11:35,663
decide what kind of historical
company you'd like to keep.

1221
01:11:36,113 --> 01:11:38,544
And it's also up to you to remember
that you are public

1222
01:11:38,611 --> 01:11:40,393
officials.

1223
01:11:40,460 --> 01:11:42,358
We are private citizens.

1224
01:11:42,658 --> 01:11:44,689
We should know everything about you,
you should know

1225
01:11:44,756 --> 01:11:47,154
very little about us.

1226
01:11:47,624 --> 01:11:50,654
Let's co costs take down the cameras
pointed at

1227
01:11:50,721 --> 01:11:53,382
the people

1228
01:11:53,449 --> 01:11:56,080
and we'll just keep a few to be
pointed at you if you

1229
01:11:56,147 --> 01:11:58,378
really need some cameras for your
safety.

1230
01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:09,836
[applause]

1231
01:12:10,875 --> 01:12:14,405
Whitney Boone, a St. Clair Shore, a
Sterling Heights

1232
01:12:14,472 --> 01:12:16,731
resident speaking on agenda 10

1233
01:12:25,513 --> 01:12:26,346
Good evening.

1234
01:12:26,413 --> 01:12:27,246
Evening.

1235
01:12:27,313 --> 01:12:28,925
Mayor and City Council.

1236
01:12:28,992 --> 01:12:30,973
My name is Whitney Brown. Sorry.

1237
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,488
my chicken scratch is terrible.

1238
01:12:34,018 --> 01:12:37,648
I live in Sterling Heights, but a lot
of my family and

1239
01:12:37,715 --> 01:12:41,145
close friends live, spend money, and
sleep here in St. Clair Shores.

1240
01:12:41,212 --> 01:12:43,243
So my family's privacy and safety are
directly at risk

1241
01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:45,339
tonight as well.

1242
01:12:45,858 --> 01:12:48,989
As a registered nurse in a cardiac
cath lab, I love

1243
01:12:49,056 --> 01:12:50,627
technology. It saves lives.

1244
01:12:50,694 --> 01:12:53,625
But our golden rule is to never
blindly,

1245
01:12:53,692 --> 01:12:57,889
keyword there blindly, trust a
machine.

1246
01:12:58,308 --> 01:13:00,087
over human judgment.

1247
01:13:00,387 --> 01:13:03,717
If a heart sensor is uncalibrated by
just 2%,

1248
01:13:03,784 --> 01:13:06,315
that error multiplies instantly into
a missed blockage

1249
01:13:06,382 --> 01:13:08,580
or torn artery.

1250
01:13:08,920 --> 01:13:11,650
In the the same mathematical danger
applies to the flock

1251
01:13:11,717 --> 01:13:13,339
safety cameras.

1252
01:13:13,406 --> 01:13:16,836
Flock claims a 96% accuracy rate,

1253
01:13:16,903 --> 01:13:17,836
but no, no, no, no, no.

1254
01:13:17,903 --> 01:13:20,633
The fine print reveals that that is
per character, not

1255
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:22,532
per plate.

1256
01:13:22,599 --> 01:13:25,829
So on a seven character or Michigan
plate, a 4% error

1257
01:13:25,896 --> 01:13:28,794
rate compounds.

1258
01:13:29,094 --> 01:13:31,724
That's base mathematical theorem on
error

1259
01:13:31,791 --> 01:13:33,523
propagation.

1260
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:35,921
So your actual accuracy crashes into
the

1261
01:13:35,988 --> 01:13:37,620
70s.

1262
01:13:37,687 --> 01:13:41,317
In fact, a real world audit in
Bville, California

1263
01:13:41,384 --> 01:13:44,981
showed flock misreads rates at 71% of
its alerts.

1264
01:13:47,079 --> 01:13:50,609
So, when a dirty lens or Michigan
night glare turns a

1265
01:13:50,676 --> 01:13:53,707
B into an eight, the system flags an
innocent vehicle.

1266
01:13:53,774 --> 01:13:55,905
Officers receive the hot list alert
and expect a high risk

1267
01:13:55,972 --> 01:13:58,070
suspect.

1268
01:13:58,370 --> 01:13:59,869
Not a math error.

1269
01:14:00,369 --> 01:14:02,500
This creates a terrifying reality.

1270
01:14:02,567 --> 01:14:05,597
An innocent mom driving down Harper
or taking her son to

1271
01:14:05,664 --> 01:14:10,194
Veterans Memorial Park could face a
high risk felony stop at gunpoint.

1272
01:14:10,261 --> 01:14:13,691
In Aurora, Colorado, this exact
glitch caused police to

1273
01:14:13,758 --> 01:14:15,689
draw guns on a mother and her
children,

1274
01:14:15,756 --> 01:14:20,785
costing their taxpayers $1.9 million
in a lawsuit.

1275
01:14:20,852 --> 01:14:23,750
That would be these people here.

1276
01:14:23,849 --> 01:14:24,682
Just

1277
01:14:24,749 --> 01:14:28,579
Just weeks ago, on August 6th, 2026,
this exact identical

1278
01:14:28,646 --> 01:14:33,742
gunpoint scenario played out right
here on I I 94.

1279
01:14:34,541 --> 01:14:38,871
So if we can't guarantee rigorous,
independent, daily

1280
01:14:38,938 --> 01:14:42,535
calibration of these cameras, we must
not renew this contract.

1281
01:14:43,534 --> 01:14:45,565
I have cited sources that I will give
to the clerk just

1282
01:14:45,632 --> 01:14:47,064
for your review.

1283
01:14:47,131 --> 01:14:47,964
Thank you.

1284
01:14:48,031 --> 01:14:59,722
[applause]

1285
01:15:00,421 --> 01:15:02,020
Phil Decker, a

1286
01:15:02,208 --> 01:15:03,770
Shelby Township resident

1287
01:15:03,837 --> 01:15:05,875
speaking on agenda item 10.

1288
01:15:11,091 --> 01:15:13,472
Good evening. Uh, my name is Philip.

1289
01:15:13,539 --> 01:15:15,008
Uh, I former resident here.

1290
01:15:15,347 --> 01:15:17,419
But anyway, it's been no secret

1291
01:15:17,486 --> 01:15:19,714
that there's been a lot of public
backlash against Flock.

1292
01:15:19,844 --> 01:15:22,065
But the backlash is reaching a fever
pitch.

1293
01:15:22,132 --> 01:15:24,823
And so far in 2026, 116

1294
01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:27,061
separate municipalities have canceled
their contracts with Flock

1295
01:15:27,128 --> 01:15:31,175
compared to 37 in 2025 and only 1 in
2024.

1296
01:15:31,245 --> 01:15:33,456
Uh, the backlash is very bipartisan
as well.

1297
01:15:33,523 --> 01:15:35,664
Republican Congressman Thomas Massie

1298
01:15:35,731 --> 01:15:37,962
and Democratic Congresswoman Rashida
Talib have both discussed

1299
01:15:38,029 --> 01:15:40,091
introducing legislation to withhold
federal fundings from

1300
01:15:40,158 --> 01:15:42,549
communities that use these devices.

1301
01:15:42,616 --> 01:15:44,437
Democratic Senator Bernie Sanders

1302
01:15:44,504 --> 01:15:46,755
has discussed legislation to ban
these devices entirely.

1303
01:15:46,822 --> 01:15:48,704
Republican Congressman Josh Holly

1304
01:15:48,771 --> 01:15:50,722
has launched a congressional probe
into this company

1305
01:15:50,789 --> 01:15:54,449
and as of two days ago, Politico
reported that the CEOs of Flock,

1306
01:15:54,516 --> 01:15:58,746
Axon, Motorola, and Vercada Solutions
were all invited to testify

1307
01:15:58,813 --> 01:16:01,161
at a hearing regarding this
investigation.

1308
01:16:01,351 --> 01:16:03,442
It was also reported by Wired that

1309
01:16:03,509 --> 01:16:06,270
Flock is now offering severance
buyouts to their employees.

1310
01:16:06,337 --> 01:16:07,988
It doesn't take an expert to see the
writing on the wall,

1311
01:16:08,055 --> 01:16:09,877
and Flock certainly does as well.

1312
01:16:09,944 --> 01:16:12,665
Americans don't want this
surveillance technology on their
streets.

1313
01:16:12,732 --> 01:16:14,583
But the Wired article also mentioned

1314
01:16:14,650 --> 01:16:17,588
in a separate interview where Flock
CEO Garrett Langley essentially said,

1315
01:16:17,767 --> 01:16:20,508
Imagine being a Flock employee seeing
all this hate

1316
01:16:20,575 --> 01:16:23,096
and wondering, why are people so mad
at us?

1317
01:16:23,163 --> 01:16:25,182
We just want them to be safe.

1318
01:16:25,811 --> 01:16:27,672
People are mad because Flock built

1319
01:16:27,739 --> 01:16:29,471
a national surveillance network with

1320
01:16:29,538 --> 01:16:31,297
no oversight or regard to public
opinion.

1321
01:16:31,466 --> 01:16:34,097
People are mad because no one got to
vote on this.

1322
01:16:34,164 --> 01:16:36,356
No one got to see any data showing

1323
01:16:36,423 --> 01:16:38,993
what the benefit to the community
actually is.

1324
01:16:39,060 --> 01:16:43,257
No one was told beforehand what this
system is or how it's going to work.

1325
01:16:43,517 --> 01:16:46,944
No one got any transparency or
consideration for their privacy.

1326
01:16:47,224 --> 01:16:49,005
People are mad because this is

1327
01:16:49,072 --> 01:16:50,794
another company being given cart
blanche by our elected officials

1328
01:16:50,861 --> 01:16:53,988
to exploit every aspect of our lives
for profit.

1329
01:16:54,328 --> 01:16:56,300
People are mad because they recognize

1330
01:16:56,367 --> 01:16:58,178
that mass surveillance is
fundamentally

1331
01:16:58,245 --> 01:17:00,104
incompatible with their
constitutional rights.

1332
01:17:00,403 --> 01:17:02,495
People are mad because now we have

1333
01:17:02,562 --> 01:17:04,583
to take time out of our days to go

1334
01:17:04,650 --> 01:17:06,941
argue over the obvious, that mass
surveillance is wrong

1335
01:17:07,008 --> 01:17:10,235
and has no place in our communities.

1336
01:17:10,495 --> 01:17:13,156
This contract should have been dead
on arrival.

1337
01:17:13,223 --> 01:17:15,534
But let's write that wrong and cancel
it now.

1338
01:17:15,601 --> 01:17:30,110
[applause]

1339
01:17:31,105 --> 01:17:32,616
This is the last speaker,

1340
01:17:32,683 --> 01:17:35,404
Lindsey Schreds, a St. Clair Shores
resident

1341
01:17:35,471 --> 01:17:37,630
speaking on agenda item 10.

1342
01:17:47,831 --> 01:17:52,161
Hi, my name is Lindsey Seda, and I am
a third generation

1343
01:17:52,228 --> 01:17:56,577
resident of St. Clair Shores. My
grandparents lived here, my parents

1344
01:17:56,644 --> 01:17:59,665
and I now live in my grandparents'
home. I own a business here,

1345
01:17:59,732 --> 01:18:01,490
and let's get started. Um,

1346
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,762
I requested a FOIA recently

1347
01:18:03,829 --> 01:18:06,230
for the contract. So if anyone wants
it,

1348
01:18:06,297 --> 01:18:08,375
I have it. Do not pay for it. I
already paid for it.

1349
01:18:08,455 --> 01:18:10,094
So, get a hold of me.

1350
01:18:10,363 --> 01:18:13,594
My issue with Flock is the access
that Flock company actually has

1351
01:18:13,661 --> 01:18:15,382
to our data

1352
01:18:15,449 --> 01:18:16,878
and also the FBI.

1353
01:18:17,248 --> 01:18:19,879
If you look on Flock's website, they
do not have a privacy

1354
01:18:19,946 --> 01:18:22,636
or they do have a privacy policy that
says Flock itself

1355
01:18:22,703 --> 01:18:25,931
may access, use, preserve or disclose
LPR data

1356
01:18:26,091 --> 01:18:29,381
in certain circumstances, including
when legally required

1357
01:18:29,448 --> 01:18:32,628
or when Flock believes doing so is
reasonably necessary

1358
01:18:32,695 --> 01:18:35,586
for things such as legal process,
enforcing this agreement

1359
01:18:35,653 --> 01:18:39,160
or addressing security, fraud,
privacy, or technical issues.

1360
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,950
One, two, the FBI and Peter Thiel
connection.

1361
01:18:43,017 --> 01:18:46,384
I'm surprised this has not come up
yet. I'm happy here to inform you.

1362
01:18:46,724 --> 01:18:49,005
Peter Thiel, if you are unaware, is
the co-founder of Palantir

1363
01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:51,291
Technologies.

1364
01:18:51,460 --> 01:18:55,677
He also co-funded the venture capital
firm Founder's Fund.

1365
01:18:55,937 --> 01:18:58,904
Founder's Fund invested in Flock
safety.

1366
01:18:59,844 --> 01:19:05,089
Flock raised 275 million in 2025
funding.

1367
01:19:06,049 --> 01:19:10,045
Um, and founding, Founders Fund was
one of the investors.

1368
01:19:10,515 --> 01:19:14,562
Flock has not publicly disclosed how
much they have invested though.

1369
01:19:14,902 --> 01:19:18,749
The problem is the connection. Why
would Peter Thiel fund Flock?

1370
01:19:20,077 --> 01:19:22,169
What do you think they want to gain
out of all? If they're going to

1371
01:19:22,236 --> 01:19:23,877
fund all this money,

1372
01:19:23,944 --> 01:19:26,752
you think they're going to gain
something for, right?

1373
01:19:27,531 --> 01:19:30,029
Yeah, so if you're unaware,

1374
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:34,549
Um, Palantir is a company that
connects

1375
01:19:34,616 --> 01:19:39,395
authorized data sets and identifies
relationships or patterns between
them.

1376
01:19:39,462 --> 01:19:41,760
AKA, um,

1377
01:19:42,100 --> 01:19:45,610
like they they funded, they fund
programs for ICE,

1378
01:19:45,677 --> 01:19:50,246
they funded programs for the Israeli
military.

1379
01:19:50,313 --> 01:19:56,281
Um, and yes, the FBI is an authorized
user in this contract

1380
01:19:56,348 --> 01:19:59,486
and they do work with, have contracts
with Palantir.

1381
01:20:00,465 --> 01:20:01,661
So, my time's up, but

1382
01:20:01,728 --> 01:20:03,809
Yes. Please do your research.

1383
01:20:03,876 --> 01:20:13,439
[applause]

1384
01:20:15,165 --> 01:20:16,584
We're good, right?

1385
01:20:18,433 --> 01:20:24,648
Item four is request to approve the
resolutions to adopt the Stevens Road

1386
01:20:25,007 --> 01:20:26,339
Miss Koto.

1387
01:20:30,507 --> 01:20:31,839
Good evening.

1388
01:20:31,936 --> 01:20:35,433
Good evening, uh, Mr. Mayor and
council members.

1389
01:20:35,723 --> 01:20:36,945
My name is Courtney Sturgis.

1390
01:20:37,012 --> 01:20:40,232
I'm a landscape and urban designer
with Anderson, Eckstein, and
Westrick,

1391
01:20:40,299 --> 01:20:44,596
and tonight I'm here to present the
Stevens Greenway feasibility study.

1392
01:20:47,913 --> 01:20:51,453
This project began as a conversation
between, um,

1393
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:58,108
the Economic and Community
Development teams from St. Clair
Shores, Eastpoint,

1394
01:20:58,175 --> 01:21:01,655
About the potential for Stevens Road
to become more than just a road,

1395
01:21:01,722 --> 01:21:06,918
but a key connection, um, between the
four communities, more than it
already is.

1396
01:21:07,617 --> 01:21:10,738
Building on that idea, the city of
Warren submitted a grant application

1397
01:21:10,805 --> 01:21:14,175
through SEMCOG's Planning Assistant
program,

1398
01:21:14,242 --> 01:21:17,712
and, um, on behalf of all four
communities, and was awarded

1399
01:21:17,779 --> 01:21:20,767
$40,000 to complete a feasibility
study.

1400
01:21:21,266 --> 01:21:25,776
That funding allowed the communities
to retain AEW, uh, myself

1401
01:21:25,843 --> 01:21:27,971
and, uh, Kyle here.

1402
01:21:28,271 --> 01:21:31,778
to evaluate the corridor, collect and
analyze data,

1403
01:21:32,118 --> 01:21:36,097
engage residents and stakeholders,
and stakeholders, and identify
opportunities for creating a

1404
01:21:36,164 --> 01:21:40,961
continuous west to east Greenway, um,
along Stevens Road.

1405
01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:45,190
Through that process, the project
team examined the corridor segment by
segment,

1406
01:21:45,257 --> 01:21:49,377
worked with the people who live,
work, and travel along Stevens Road
to develop

1407
01:21:49,444 --> 01:21:51,212
the recommendations presented in this
study.

1408
01:21:51,872 --> 01:21:54,440
Next slide, please. Oh, this is
perfect actually.

1409
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:59,189
Uh, the, the study area extends from
Lawrence Avenue in Centerline where,

1410
01:21:59,256 --> 01:22:04,532
uh, the statewide trail system, um,
uh, the Iron Bell, passes through,

1411
01:22:04,652 --> 01:22:09,418
all the way, um, to the east, uh,
Little Mac here in St. Clair Shores.

1412
01:22:09,798 --> 01:22:13,128
The corridor traverses through
residential neighborhoods,

1413
01:22:13,195 --> 01:22:16,615
commercial and industrial areas, and
civic destinations throughout all
four

1414
01:22:16,682 --> 01:22:18,014
communities.

1415
01:22:18,501 --> 01:22:21,261
The purpose of this study was to
identify opportunities to improve

1416
01:22:21,328 --> 01:22:24,998
safety, connectivity, recreation, and
community identity while providing

1417
01:22:25,065 --> 01:22:29,632
additional transportation options for
residents and visitors.

1418
01:22:30,331 --> 01:22:31,663
Next.

1419
01:22:32,679 --> 01:22:37,209
A really important part of this, uh,
project was the community engagement,

1420
01:22:37,276 --> 01:22:38,937
uh, that took place.

1421
01:22:39,004 --> 01:22:42,804
Input was received from a really
great cross section of people, from
residents

1422
01:22:42,871 --> 01:22:46,741
to business owners, community
organizations, transportation
agencies

1423
01:22:46,808 --> 01:22:51,257
like SMART and MDOT, utility
providers, municipal staff, elected

1424
01:22:51,324 --> 01:22:55,963
officials, um, even a couple that are
here today, and other very important

1425
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:57,362
stakeholders.

1426
01:22:57,499 --> 01:23:01,296
Great collaborative conversations
were had with so many voices at the
table.

1427
01:23:02,076 --> 01:23:06,055
Over the course of approximately one
year, the project team conducted
seven

1428
01:23:06,122 --> 01:23:09,533
steering committees which was made up
of staff members from each city and,

1429
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,078
um, the consulting team here.

1430
01:23:11,908 --> 01:23:14,758
Uh, there were three stakeholder
meetings, one of which was held at

1431
01:23:14,825 --> 01:23:18,905
Spinler Park in Eastpoint and another
here in, uh, St. Clair Shores at the

1432
01:23:18,972 --> 01:23:20,461
senior activity center.

1433
01:23:20,921 --> 01:23:24,700
There were two public community
engagement events, uh, one of which

1434
01:23:24,767 --> 01:23:27,565
was held in partnership with
Eastpoint and hosted here at City
Hall.

1435
01:23:28,474 --> 01:23:33,301
Uh, corridor wide site visit was
conducted with the steering committee

1436
01:23:33,860 --> 01:23:39,206
and a really successful online survey
that received an amazing 642
responses.

1437
01:23:40,745 --> 01:23:42,077
Next slide.

1438
01:23:43,243 --> 01:23:48,032
There was a a great amount of
feedback from all four communities,
27% of such

1439
01:23:48,099 --> 01:23:50,197
was uh, from St. Clair Shores
residents.

1440
01:23:50,887 --> 01:23:52,218
Next slide.

1441
01:23:52,605 --> 01:23:55,985
One thing that really stood out was
that across the board, 66% of

1442
01:23:56,052 --> 01:23:59,120
respondents were supportive of
something like this happening.

1443
01:23:59,620 --> 01:24:03,789
Um, and if you break that down into
communities, St. Clair Shores
respondents

1444
01:24:03,856 --> 01:24:07,436
were 72% supportive with 11% being
neutral.

1445
01:24:07,503 --> 01:24:11,123
And that's really substantial that
your community is saying this is
something

1446
01:24:11,190 --> 01:24:13,049
that they want.

1447
01:24:14,328 --> 01:24:17,385
Across all engagement efforts, um,
next slide. Thank you.

1448
01:24:17,975 --> 01:24:22,005
Several common themes emerged. So,
participants consistently identified

1449
01:24:22,072 --> 01:24:26,441
a desire for improved pedestrian and
cycling safety among some of the the

1450
01:24:26,508 --> 01:24:30,265
largest intersections, uh, in
Southern Macomb.

1451
01:24:30,954 --> 01:24:34,694
Uh, better crossings at these major
intersections were important,

1452
01:24:34,761 --> 01:24:38,861
increased landscaping and
beautification, better connections
between neighborhoods,

1453
01:24:38,928 --> 01:24:43,228
parks, schools, community
destinations and additional
recreation opportunities,

1454
01:24:43,295 --> 01:24:47,731
and a stronger identity overall for
the corridor for Southern Macomb
County.

1455
01:24:48,690 --> 01:24:50,649
Based on those findings, uh, next
slide.

1456
01:24:50,819 --> 01:24:54,039
The study recommends a continuous
shared use path, which is like a

1457
01:24:54,106 --> 01:24:59,984
paved path that is disconnected from
the roadway, um, through much of

1458
01:25:00,051 --> 01:25:01,474
Stevens Road, supported by

1459
01:25:01,541 --> 01:25:03,842
crosswalk improvements, landscaping,
lighting,

1460
01:25:03,909 --> 01:25:05,541
wayfinding, green infrastructure,

1461
01:25:05,608 --> 01:25:08,745
uh, trail heads and even placemaking
features.

1462
01:25:09,614 --> 01:25:12,672
Specifically in St. Clair Shores, on
the next slide.

1463
01:25:14,081 --> 01:25:17,411
Um, the Stevens Greenway would
utilize existing sidewalks

1464
01:25:17,478 --> 01:25:19,809
over I-94. So we're connecting right
into

1465
01:25:19,876 --> 01:25:22,524
Spinler Park, which is shown there on
the left in that map.

1466
01:25:23,743 --> 01:25:27,773
Um, it would then also utilize
existing planned um and future

1467
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:31,457
walkways at the Civic Arena.

1468
01:25:32,106 --> 01:25:35,234
And then terminate at the Senior
Activity Center.

1469
01:25:36,003 --> 01:25:39,690
In the small stretch from the Senior
Activity Center to Little Mac,

1470
01:25:40,660 --> 01:25:43,810
Sheros could be added to the roadways
to help

1471
01:25:43,877 --> 01:25:45,509
uh, bring awareness to

1472
01:25:45,576 --> 01:25:50,742
um, vehicular traffic that there are
cyclists present.

1473
01:25:53,549 --> 01:25:56,680
Sheros, just so we know, are just
paint on the road that,

1474
01:25:56,747 --> 01:25:59,245
you know, the ones with the arrows
and the bike.

1475
01:26:01,583 --> 01:26:04,713
And then at the Senior Activity
Center, there's a great

1476
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:06,712
opportunity to have a trail head

1477
01:26:06,779 --> 01:26:09,816
at the Eastern corridor of this uh
Greenway.

1478
01:26:10,386 --> 01:26:13,816
That would provide parking,
wayfinding, gathering spaces,

1479
01:26:13,883 --> 01:26:16,314
and connections to the nearby
schools,

1480
01:26:16,381 --> 01:26:19,648
parks and community facilities of St.
Clair Shores.

1481
01:26:20,308 --> 01:26:23,139
The recommendations of this plan
focus on improving safety again,

1482
01:26:23,206 --> 01:26:25,637
connectivity and corridor character

1483
01:26:25,704 --> 01:26:27,835
while establishing a clear and
functional end point

1484
01:26:27,902 --> 01:26:29,820
for the Greenway.

1485
01:26:33,643 --> 01:26:34,975
Next slide.

1486
01:26:35,931 --> 01:26:39,062
Uh, so, it's important to understand
that this is just

1487
01:26:39,129 --> 01:26:41,160
a study, a planning document, no
engineering has been completed,

1488
01:26:41,227 --> 01:26:43,658
no uh construction projects have been
authorized and no

1489
01:26:43,725 --> 01:26:46,333
funding commitments are being
requested tonight either.

1490
01:26:46,703 --> 01:26:49,334
The recommendations presented in the
study are intended to

1491
01:26:49,401 --> 01:26:51,432
provide a framework for future
decision-making

1492
01:26:51,499 --> 01:26:53,777
and funding opportunities.

1493
01:26:54,297 --> 01:26:56,065
So what happens next?

1494
01:26:56,555 --> 01:26:59,485
If adopted by all four communities,
the study will serve as a guiding

1495
01:26:59,552 --> 01:27:02,283
planning document that can be used to
pursue future granting

1496
01:27:02,350 --> 01:27:05,208
uh, funding and additional design
work.

1497
01:27:05,358 --> 01:27:07,889
Should future funding become
available, additional engineering,

1498
01:27:07,956 --> 01:27:10,387
public engagement, traffic analysis,
parking evaluations,

1499
01:27:10,454 --> 01:27:13,984
cost estimating and design work would
occur before any construction

1500
01:27:14,051 --> 01:27:17,098
project moves forward.

1501
01:27:17,238 --> 01:27:20,169
Any future project expenditure, grant
acceptance or local funding

1502
01:27:20,236 --> 01:27:22,867
commitment would then come back
before council for consideration

1503
01:27:22,934 --> 01:27:25,402
and approval.

1504
01:27:25,971 --> 01:27:28,802
And really in summary, the Stevens
Greenway feasibility

1505
01:27:28,869 --> 01:27:31,600
study establishes a shared vision for
improving connectivity,

1506
01:27:31,667 --> 01:27:34,597
recreation and the quality of life
along the Stevens road

1507
01:27:34,664 --> 01:27:37,095
uh, corridor while creating a
framework for future

1508
01:27:37,162 --> 01:27:40,430
implementation opportunities.

1509
01:27:40,650 --> 01:27:42,581
Um, with that, I thank you for your
time and would

1510
01:27:42,648 --> 01:27:44,459
happy to answer any questions.

1511
01:27:44,526 --> 01:27:45,858
Questions?

1512
01:27:46,155 --> 01:27:47,177
Miss Burgess.

1513
01:27:47,244 --> 01:27:48,476
All right, thank you so much for all
that.

1514
01:27:48,543 --> 01:27:51,274
Um, just so the public understands a
little bit

1515
01:27:51,341 --> 01:27:54,172
what we're doing tonight by voting is
adopting this study.

1516
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:57,769
Uh, we're not committing to any the
city to any construction

1517
01:27:57,836 --> 01:28:01,753
or or future future construction.

1518
01:28:02,202 --> 01:28:03,094
Correct.

1519
01:28:03,161 --> 01:28:04,723
Thank you, Miss Burgess. Yes, that is
correct.

1520
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:07,821
All right. And the study itself, um,
identifies right away

1521
01:28:07,888 --> 01:28:12,817
limitations, uh, parking concerns,
business access issues

1522
01:28:12,884 --> 01:28:15,714
before this would go any further,
would you also have a

1523
01:28:15,781 --> 01:28:18,612
uh, for those impacted, would you
have another like sit down

1524
01:28:18,679 --> 01:28:23,225
session with business owners and
residents that will be affected.

1525
01:28:23,405 --> 01:28:24,597
Yes, that would be ideal.

1526
01:28:24,664 --> 01:28:25,856
All right, great.

1527
01:28:25,923 --> 01:28:28,954
Uh, and if this moves beyond
feasibility study, what funding

1528
01:28:29,021 --> 01:28:32,668
sources, uh, are anticipated.

1529
01:28:32,928 --> 01:28:35,359
There are quite a handful listed in
the study.

1530
01:28:35,426 --> 01:28:38,656
Um, a couple that are great
candidates would be the TAP grant

1531
01:28:38,723 --> 01:28:42,053
uh, through the state and with
federal funding along with

1532
01:28:42,120 --> 01:28:44,951
uh, the Michigan DNR has a trails
fund and um, trust fund

1533
01:28:45,018 --> 01:28:48,715
grant program that would be ideal for
this as well.

1534
01:28:49,165 --> 01:28:50,297
All right, thank you very much.

1535
01:28:50,364 --> 01:28:51,456
Welcome.

1536
01:28:51,523 --> 01:28:52,785
Mr. Matali?

1537
01:28:52,852 --> 01:28:55,782
Uh, I Councilwoman Burgess touched on
a lot of what I

1538
01:28:55,849 --> 01:28:57,718
already had to say.

1539
01:28:58,897 --> 01:29:02,527
Um, but, you know, the St. Clair
Shores portion of this would be

1540
01:29:02,594 --> 01:29:05,624
very small, essentially the Senior
Center.

1541
01:29:05,691 --> 01:29:08,722
The only thing I would be concerned
with is that since

1542
01:29:08,789 --> 01:29:11,120
that is our southern industrial park,
essentially, we have

1543
01:29:11,187 --> 01:29:13,918
a lot of trucks that come in and out
of that area.

1544
01:29:13,985 --> 01:29:16,815
Uh, I would want to make sure that
businesses weren't going

1545
01:29:16,882 --> 01:29:19,313
to be impacted by that and that, you
know, financially

1546
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:22,211
we're not splitting this evenly four
ways when we barely

1547
01:29:22,278 --> 01:29:24,709
have any of this, but in general, I'm
supportive of

1548
01:29:24,776 --> 01:29:27,674
the project.

1549
01:29:29,263 --> 01:29:35,091
Yes, uh, so, um, when we put the
stakeholder meetings together,

1550
01:29:35,158 --> 01:29:38,588
um, we were asked to invite um, who
we thought would be

1551
01:29:38,655 --> 01:29:41,586
important members of the community to
be part of these

1552
01:29:41,653 --> 01:29:44,923
uh, different meetings.

1553
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:48,480
And so we asked Grobles to be a part
of it.

1554
01:29:48,547 --> 01:29:49,380
Okay, good.

1555
01:29:49,447 --> 01:29:52,778
And they were actually, not actually,
they were very uh,

1556
01:29:52,845 --> 01:29:54,406
participatory and they were extremely
helpful.

1557
01:29:54,473 --> 01:29:58,003
Um, they were wonderful to work with
and that was obviously one

1558
01:29:58,070 --> 01:30:00,978
of Mike Leinweber's main concerns,
right? Because a huge

1559
01:30:01,490 --> 01:30:05,825
part of that stretch right there is
Grobbel's, and it's their truck docks
and

1560
01:30:05,892 --> 01:30:11,031
so we we definitely recognize that
this is a highly congested area with
trucks

1561
01:30:11,098 --> 01:30:15,048
specifically, and that is something
we would for sure have to

1562
01:30:15,115 --> 01:30:17,492
Everyone talks about how the sausage
is made.

1563
01:30:17,559 --> 01:30:19,081
We literally have a sausage factory.

1564
01:30:19,148 --> 01:30:20,090
[laughter]

1565
01:30:20,157 --> 01:30:21,806
at the end of this. So,

1566
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:24,296
Uh, I am supportive of the project.

1567
01:30:24,363 --> 01:30:28,661
I just want to make sure that for the
small segment that we have we're not
impacting our businesses.

1568
01:30:29,487 --> 01:30:30,370
Mr. Robello?

1569
01:30:30,437 --> 01:30:32,134
Uh, thank you, mayor.

1570
01:30:32,201 --> 01:30:33,551
So,

1571
01:30:33,704 --> 01:30:35,053
First of all,

1572
01:30:35,632 --> 01:30:37,220
thanks for all the time I know you
guys put in there.

1573
01:30:37,287 --> 01:30:42,386
How many people were continually
attending these meetings?

1574
01:30:42,453 --> 01:30:45,785
Was there 10, 500?

1575
01:30:45,852 --> 01:30:50,817
I would say that, um, on average,
there was probably 30 for the
stakeholder meetings,

1576
01:30:50,884 --> 01:30:52,316
which we had three of those.

1577
01:30:52,383 --> 01:30:56,383
Um, from the the cities, uh, the
communities themselves,

1578
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:59,328
uh, steering committees were made up
I think of like 10.

1579
01:31:00,011 --> 01:31:06,105
Um, and the 30 on average, there was
probably a core 20 there and 10 came
and go.

1580
01:31:06,172 --> 01:31:08,947
So we had a great cross section of of
different voices.

1581
01:31:09,014 --> 01:31:12,878
Okay, so the plan for this is
basically to go from, we'll say
Vandyke.

1582
01:31:14,599 --> 01:31:16,976
pulling people, I guess it goes both
ways, right?

1583
01:31:17,043 --> 01:31:21,213
From Vandyke all the way down to
Little Mac here in St. Clair Shores.

1584
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,612
Okay?

1585
01:31:22,803 --> 01:31:28,045
Obviously, we're just a little, just
a little, just a little tiny piece of
that puzzle, correct?

1586
01:31:28,508 --> 01:31:33,661
Most of the, most of the the East
Point to Warren to Centerline,

1587
01:31:34,223 --> 01:31:40,785
are are going to be the biggest
benefactors of this. Would that be a
correct statement to make?

1588
01:31:41,028 --> 01:31:44,025
Because I I took a ride today down
Stevens.

1589
01:31:44,092 --> 01:31:47,176
There's some tricky spots as you go,
right? All the way down.

1590
01:31:47,243 --> 01:31:49,224
Absolutely, there's tricky spots.

1591
01:31:49,291 --> 01:31:52,148
when you start getting in the Shaer,

1592
01:31:52,215 --> 01:31:57,853
I don't know how you would possibly,
uh, I mean there's a lot of traffic
there.

1593
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:02,330
And that would be a big concern to
cross over.

1594
01:32:02,397 --> 01:32:06,656
Now you got to go to the north and
then you get back get back up on
Stevens.

1595
01:32:06,723 --> 01:32:10,933
Um, you got to cross Grossbeck at
some point and keep going.

1596
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,200
into their industrial parks, most of
that is an industrial park for them
too.

1597
01:32:15,267 --> 01:32:16,100
Right.

1598
01:32:16,167 --> 01:32:18,057
And they're going to get all their
stuff fixed up there.

1599
01:32:18,124 --> 01:32:22,664
That's why I sort of look at this and
it's a, it's a real plus for their
communities

1600
01:32:22,731 --> 01:32:25,521
because it looks to me like they
benefit the most out of it.

1601
01:32:25,588 --> 01:32:26,421
Okay?

1602
01:32:26,488 --> 01:32:28,309
They fix all that up there.

1603
01:32:28,376 --> 01:32:31,303
I think one thing that's really
important to note here

1604
01:32:31,370 --> 01:32:36,339
is that even though, um, the portion
of this entire Greenway,

1605
01:32:36,406 --> 01:32:39,194
um, within St. Clair Shores is short,

1606
01:32:39,367 --> 01:32:43,643
we stopped it at Little Mac on
purpose because we wanted to connect
it both

1607
01:32:43,710 --> 01:32:49,196
to the 9 Mac DDA and to the nautical
mile.

1608
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:53,435
So the intent is to be able to
provide a way to get from

1609
01:32:53,502 --> 01:32:57,831
the west side of Macomb County,

1610
01:32:57,898 --> 01:33:04,893
eastward toward us all the way
accessing our 9 Mac downtown and then
eventually the lake.

1611
01:33:05,476 --> 01:33:10,240
Cuz there's some there's plenty of
points there where there's parking on
Stevens as you go down.

1612
01:33:10,432 --> 01:33:11,285
Correct, yes.

1613
01:33:11,352 --> 01:33:14,252
There's there's everything, right?
There's regular sidewalk,

1614
01:33:14,319 --> 01:33:15,867
there's cars.

1615
01:33:15,934 --> 01:33:16,940
I'm just trying to

1616
01:33:17,007 --> 01:33:19,268
get a handle on on that part.

1617
01:33:19,335 --> 01:33:24,230
And when those people cross some of
the folks there from East Point and

1618
01:33:24,297 --> 01:33:27,346
Center Line, people from other
cities,

1619
01:33:27,838 --> 01:33:31,255
you want them to come down through
into St. Clair Shores because I think
somewhere it says,

1620
01:33:31,322 --> 01:33:38,316
you want them to you want to get them
to you want to get them to the Shores
Arena, local schools and Lake St.
Clair.

1621
01:33:38,860 --> 01:33:41,407
So we'll say now they want to enter
our parks.

1622
01:33:41,474 --> 01:33:45,937
Okay, now which have always sort of
been resident parks to us, correct?

1623
01:33:46,284 --> 01:33:47,811
Have you guys got that figured out?

1624
01:33:47,878 --> 01:33:52,528
So if I come from Center Line and I'm
like, hey, I'm here, this is how it
was build,

1625
01:33:52,595 --> 01:33:55,239
what park can I go into?

1626
01:33:55,306 --> 01:33:56,968
Do I have to buy a pass or

1627
01:33:57,035 --> 01:33:58,447
or ride my bike in?

1628
01:33:58,514 --> 01:34:03,243
You don't want to look at it as a
single point destination, you want to
look at it as an area.

1629
01:34:03,310 --> 01:34:07,945
So, you want to look at it as people
coming to social district, right?

1630
01:34:08,012 --> 01:34:11,237
Or people coming to the nautical mile
as a whole.

1631
01:34:11,304 --> 01:34:15,229
Another way to look at this is it's
also a transportation corridor,

1632
01:34:15,296 --> 01:34:17,867
a non-motorized transportation
corridor.

1633
01:34:17,934 --> 01:34:21,734
One of the things that was I'll say
shocking to me,

1634
01:34:21,801 --> 01:34:28,209
was one of the attendees, um, is
somebody who rides his bike, I think
seemingly like everywhere.

1635
01:34:28,276 --> 01:34:29,109
Okay.

1636
01:34:29,176 --> 01:34:32,702
And I mean, it's his, it is his
primary form of transportation and

1637
01:34:32,769 --> 01:34:37,099
he was absolutely invaluable in
helping us gauge what needs to be

1638
01:34:37,166 --> 01:34:39,645
improved and changed and whatnot.

1639
01:34:40,247 --> 01:34:43,584
Um, but it, you know, he was viewing
this as this is where I get from

1640
01:34:43,651 --> 01:34:45,292
point A to point B, not

1641
01:34:45,359 --> 01:34:52,354
people um or there's reasons to draw
me over here or go over there,

1642
01:34:52,568 --> 01:34:58,941
right? So so you're looking at it,
you want to look at it from both both
an eastward and a westward
standpoint,

1643
01:34:59,008 --> 01:35:01,362
not from a, well, if they're going

1644
01:35:01,429 --> 01:35:03,591
come, are they going to come to our
parks?

1645
01:35:03,658 --> 01:35:06,338
We hope that it's used in many ways.

1646
01:35:06,405 --> 01:35:09,386
Well, that would be probably a big a
big one, right?

1647
01:35:09,453 --> 01:35:11,604
They want they want to come to the
pool, come to the pier.

1648
01:35:11,671 --> 01:35:13,783
They want to come to the pool, the
pier, the

1649
01:35:13,850 --> 01:35:16,710
you know, how do we how are we going
to deal with that?

1650
01:35:16,777 --> 01:35:19,898
Has that been is that will that be
part of the feasibility study?

1651
01:35:19,965 --> 01:35:22,256
Well, I mean, I was just saying, I
want to make this clear.

1652
01:35:22,323 --> 01:35:24,804
Our our parks and our access is not
changing at all.

1653
01:35:24,871 --> 01:35:26,382
That's stay in resident only.

1654
01:35:26,449 --> 01:35:27,961
Yeah, but that's not what it says
here.

1655
01:35:28,028 --> 01:35:30,729
No, so we have we have some, they are
districts.

1656
01:35:30,796 --> 01:35:32,228
And that kind of stuff.

1657
01:35:32,295 --> 01:35:34,486
So, like for example, down Jefferson,
we are

1658
01:35:34,553 --> 01:35:36,694
putting those little pocket parks in.

1659
01:35:36,761 --> 01:35:37,883
Those are a little bit different.

1660
01:35:37,950 --> 01:35:39,612
They can come to those, they can come
get ice cream.

1661
01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:40,851
They can come to the social district.

1662
01:35:40,918 --> 01:35:42,380
Sure. They can come to all of that.

1663
01:35:42,447 --> 01:35:44,668
Bryce Park is open for non-residents,

1664
01:35:44,735 --> 01:35:47,625
but all of our resident parks are
stay in resident park.

1665
01:35:47,692 --> 01:35:50,720
There will be no changing of any of
that.

1666
01:35:51,989 --> 01:35:53,698
Okay, so they come to

1667
01:35:54,517 --> 01:35:56,818
I guess I don't want to get into it
too much, but

1668
01:35:56,885 --> 01:35:58,786
they're going to come from another
city,

1669
01:35:58,853 --> 01:36:01,414
they're going to come down to St.
Clair Shores.

1670
01:36:01,481 --> 01:36:03,183
They can't visit Grobles.

1671
01:36:03,250 --> 01:36:04,852
they can part of this here, right?

1672
01:36:04,919 --> 01:36:07,410
They once I get to little Mac, now,

1673
01:36:07,477 --> 01:36:09,938
what do I what do I do? Where do I
go?

1674
01:36:10,005 --> 01:36:12,226
Am I going to the social district on?

1675
01:36:12,293 --> 01:36:13,575
You could, absolutely.

1676
01:36:13,642 --> 01:36:15,993
So I make a right to go to the
senior.

1677
01:36:16,060 --> 01:36:18,578
You go to the senior center, you
could go to a hockey game.

1678
01:36:19,197 --> 01:36:20,769
You could also just travel it,

1679
01:36:20,836 --> 01:36:23,876
right? It could just be a place that
you would take a bike ride.

1680
01:36:23,943 --> 01:36:26,684
You don't even need an actual
destination.

1681
01:36:26,751 --> 01:36:28,832
You could end at Burger King.

1682
01:36:28,899 --> 01:36:30,701
You could, um, go north.

1683
01:36:30,768 --> 01:36:32,180
No, Culver's up to, yeah.

1684
01:36:32,247 --> 01:36:34,718
You could go North or Culver's,
right?

1685
01:36:34,785 --> 01:36:36,147
North up Little Mac if you wanted to.

1686
01:36:36,214 --> 01:36:38,715
I just I just want to sort of get a
handle on

1687
01:36:38,782 --> 01:36:41,669
you know, where's my destination?
Where do I go?

1688
01:36:42,449 --> 01:36:45,009
Because I'm going to go for, right if
I'm coming from Van,

1689
01:36:45,076 --> 01:36:47,787
if I'm coming from Van Dyke,

1690
01:36:47,854 --> 01:36:49,436
I don't get to see the lake too much.

1691
01:36:49,503 --> 01:36:51,711
So I'm coming to the park, right? I'm
going to go to the lake.

1692
01:36:51,871 --> 01:36:54,592
Well, there's also many private
ventures,

1693
01:36:54,659 --> 01:36:56,980
and that's also what we would be
encouraging, right?

1694
01:36:57,047 --> 01:36:58,689
We would be encouraging people to go
to have lunch at Mike's

1695
01:36:58,756 --> 01:37:00,177
on the water.

1696
01:37:00,244 --> 01:37:02,645
We would be encouraging people to go
see, you know,

1697
01:37:02,712 --> 01:37:04,444
Todd and Virginia.

1698
01:37:04,511 --> 01:37:06,672
We would be encouraging fish bones.

1699
01:37:06,739 --> 01:37:08,121
We would be, you know, that's

1700
01:37:08,188 --> 01:37:10,769
just I mean, that's a major trip.

1701
01:37:10,836 --> 01:37:13,527
technically speaking, Mike's should
be

1702
01:37:13,594 --> 01:37:15,695
encouraging people to come to Mikes.

1703
01:37:15,762 --> 01:37:18,093
They should be doing promotions and
advertising.

1704
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:19,652
But that that's another part of it.

1705
01:37:19,719 --> 01:37:23,006
I'm just sort of was curious, where
do I end up from here?

1706
01:37:23,176 --> 01:37:25,087
I'm going to end up on the playground
equipment.

1707
01:37:25,154 --> 01:37:27,642
Do I go to parks? I I don't know.

1708
01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:34,160
I I it's uh, it's a great idea, but I

1709
01:37:34,227 --> 01:37:37,068
I don't know where they would go.

1710
01:37:37,135 --> 01:37:39,136
And I don't know how many people
would use it.

1711
01:37:39,203 --> 01:37:41,464
And I don't want it's just, this is
just my opinion.

1712
01:37:41,531 --> 01:37:45,701
Listen, I was invited, I know I got a
invitation from you.

1713
01:37:45,768 --> 01:37:47,859
I did not go to these study sessions.

1714
01:37:47,926 --> 01:37:50,667
Okay. I always used to be doing
something but

1715
01:37:50,734 --> 01:37:52,445
But that's on me. Okay.

1716
01:37:52,512 --> 01:37:54,091
So I had my chance.

1717
01:37:56,319 --> 01:37:58,431
But just I just want to say one more
thing here.

1718
01:37:58,498 --> 01:38:01,695
I just non-motorized transportation.

1719
01:38:01,785 --> 01:38:04,726
creating a connected Greenway between
communities,

1720
01:38:04,793 --> 01:38:07,381
enhance streetscape character.

1721
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:10,331
and everyone really west of I 94 is
going to be the one

1722
01:38:10,398 --> 01:38:14,158
that that benefits the most out of
that, right?

1723
01:38:14,225 --> 01:38:16,686
because we have our little industrial
area

1724
01:38:16,753 --> 01:38:18,991
from I 94 to Little Mac.

1725
01:38:19,521 --> 01:38:24,377
and for opportunity for storm water
management and landscaping.

1726
01:38:24,607 --> 01:38:25,989
Liz, thank you.

1727
01:38:26,056 --> 01:38:28,507
I know you guys worked hard on it.

1728
01:38:28,574 --> 01:38:31,144
I had my chance to say a lot.

1729
01:38:31,211 --> 01:38:34,472
I know you was about three meetings
or so. I did not go.

1730
01:38:34,539 --> 01:38:35,988
Okay, that's on me.

1731
01:38:36,617 --> 01:38:39,318
Okay, I just had my reservations
that's all.

1732
01:38:39,385 --> 01:38:41,686
Thank you. Sorry, thanks for Mayor
for letting me be long-winded.

1733
01:38:41,753 --> 01:38:43,025
Thank you. Miss Rusey.

1734
01:38:43,092 --> 01:38:45,343
Thanks. Um, councilman Detali,
broadening the concerns

1735
01:38:45,410 --> 01:38:49,004
I had which this already is a
congested area is industrial.

1736
01:38:49,071 --> 01:38:51,718
I don't want to see any narrowing ing
of the roads

1737
01:38:51,785 --> 01:38:53,377
or anything that would.

1738
01:38:53,444 --> 01:38:56,104
Road diet. Road, yeah, road diet.

1739
01:38:56,171 --> 01:38:58,862
as I don't want to see anything like
that because, you know,

1740
01:38:58,929 --> 01:39:01,610
we make sure that people can utilize
the road safely.

1741
01:39:01,677 --> 01:39:02,989
That's the whole point.

1742
01:39:03,056 --> 01:39:05,577
But when you are do have an
industrial area,

1743
01:39:05,644 --> 01:39:07,625
that also have a big vehicle
sometimes.

1744
01:39:07,692 --> 01:39:09,281
in and out.

1745
01:39:09,651 --> 01:39:11,553
And um, one concern I did have
though,

1746
01:39:12,388 --> 01:39:14,620
like, um, again, was stay a few
times,

1747
01:39:14,687 --> 01:39:17,095
we have a very small segment of this.

1748
01:39:17,644 --> 01:39:19,706
And um, so our segment is actually
just covering,

1749
01:39:19,773 --> 01:39:21,701
I think it's segment 8.

1750
01:39:22,410 --> 01:39:24,272
And it says, I'll read the second
paragraph

1751
01:39:24,339 --> 01:39:26,190
that actually is relevant to St.
Clair Shores

1752
01:39:26,257 --> 01:39:28,678
because most of this document
actually is.

1753
01:39:28,745 --> 01:39:31,426
in which it's kind of funny to be up
here having to vote on this

1754
01:39:31,493 --> 01:39:35,473
when we represent such a small
segment of this big study.

1755
01:39:35,540 --> 01:39:37,698
I did fill out the survey by the way.

1756
01:39:38,068 --> 01:39:41,525
I always think people can tell what
answers I write, but

1757
01:39:42,165 --> 01:39:44,133
guys probably can. But um,

1758
01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:47,423
the paragraph relevant to St. Clair
Shore states,

1759
01:39:47,490 --> 01:39:49,522
as the Eastern terminus of the
corridor,

1760
01:39:49,589 --> 01:39:52,649
the segment establishes destination
for Greenway users

1761
01:39:52,716 --> 01:39:56,193
and creates opportunities for future
regional connections.

1762
01:39:56,593 --> 01:39:59,124
The St. Clair Shores senior activity
center provides a

1763
01:39:59,191 --> 01:40:01,249
logical location for

1764
01:40:01,333 --> 01:40:05,353
trail head amenities while serving as
a gathering point for residents

1765
01:40:05,420 --> 01:40:08,577
and visitors and helping to create a
memorable endpoint for the corridor.

1766
01:40:08,707 --> 01:40:12,937
What does that mean? Because our
senior center's not only just primary

1767
01:40:13,004 --> 01:40:16,434
purpose, the sole purpose is to
provide amenities and services for

1768
01:40:16,501 --> 01:40:18,962
senior members who pay to belong to
that center.

1769
01:40:19,029 --> 01:40:22,629
We already have a heard enough time
keeping non-senior members out of

1770
01:40:22,696 --> 01:40:25,007
the parking lot that we just built
for them.

1771
01:40:25,074 --> 01:40:26,553
Um, so [clears throat]

1772
01:40:26,943 --> 01:40:30,023
I don't want to see the purpose of
the senior center diluted or

1773
01:40:30,090 --> 01:40:32,811
compromised or to change its focus

1774
01:40:32,878 --> 01:40:36,918
to start providing trail head
amenities for visitors and

1775
01:40:36,985 --> 01:40:41,314
disserving as a gathering point for
people utilizing this who aren't

1776
01:40:41,381 --> 01:40:43,233
there as senior center members.

1777
01:40:43,300 --> 01:40:46,710
But what what's what does this
paragraph mean?

1778
01:40:46,777 --> 01:40:49,305
It it doesn't have any detail to it.

1779
01:40:53,132 --> 01:40:57,501
I um I would like to say that that
hasn't been fully studied and that

1780
01:40:57,568 --> 01:41:00,649
would be something that is part of a
future design studies.

1781
01:41:00,716 --> 01:41:02,897
Okay. You could say it's a logical
location,

1782
01:41:02,964 --> 01:41:04,216
but we don't know what that means.

1783
01:41:04,283 --> 01:41:07,094
We can say it's for a trail head
amenities, what would that be?

1784
01:41:07,161 --> 01:41:09,032
What would a trail head amenity be?

1785
01:41:09,099 --> 01:41:13,009
Typically, um, trail head amenities
are pretty non-invasive.

1786
01:41:13,076 --> 01:41:16,386
Um, it really it can be just anything
from like ten reserved

1787
01:41:16,453 --> 01:41:19,494
parking spaces to um, more or less
than that.

1788
01:41:19,561 --> 01:41:22,881
It can be a bench, um, wayfinding
signage to say,

1789
01:41:22,948 --> 01:41:25,609
hey, you're here and this is how you
get somewhere else.

1790
01:41:25,676 --> 01:41:30,092
Um, a trash can, um, just really
small things like that.

1791
01:41:30,682 --> 01:41:34,572
Um, just to kind of help people
traversing it, um,

1792
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:37,296
whether they use a car or not.

1793
01:41:37,526 --> 01:41:41,066
Did we have any, I mean, I know you
talked about stakeholders like
Robol's,

1794
01:41:41,133 --> 01:41:44,960
were the Matt at the senior center,
the Scott's Board, the...

1795
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:49,859
Um, were they surveyed about
utilizing this as a logical

1796
01:41:49,926 --> 01:41:52,757
a logical location for trail head
amenities while serving as a

1797
01:41:52,824 --> 01:41:55,355
gathering point for residents and
visitors helping to create a
memorable

1798
01:41:55,422 --> 01:41:57,091
endpoint for the corridor?

1799
01:41:57,410 --> 01:41:59,582
Uh, we had one of the meetings at the
senior.

1800
01:41:59,649 --> 01:42:03,948
I thought it was at, but I'm I mean
they were, yeah, Matt was there.
Okay.

1801
01:42:04,015 --> 01:42:06,213
Did they have any input on this?

1802
01:42:06,713 --> 01:42:09,743
Do they know this was being
discussed? I know this was being

1803
01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:11,322
discussed until I see it in the
thing.

1804
01:42:11,389 --> 01:42:15,239
I felt like it was surveyed, but I
don't recall being surveyed about

1805
01:42:15,306 --> 01:42:18,836
utilizing the senior activity center
as a memorable endpoint for a trail

1806
01:42:18,903 --> 01:42:21,001
head amenities type thing.

1807
01:42:21,541 --> 01:42:26,030
And, you know, this is this is a
study, right? We are not.

1808
01:42:26,097 --> 01:42:30,427
Right. That's why I tried to because
there's not a lot of pages, but not

1809
01:42:30,494 --> 01:42:32,995
a lot of actual detail in there.

1810
01:42:33,062 --> 01:42:37,721
I know we're not authorizing any
money to any specific projects,

1811
01:42:37,788 --> 01:42:41,865
but when am I when am I agreeing to
if I sign this resolution?

1812
01:42:43,184 --> 01:42:49,412
You're you're agreeing to the
possible idea maybe at some point in
the future

1813
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:52,519
of maybe applying for a grant.

1814
01:42:52,586 --> 01:42:54,308
That's a whole lot of qualifiers.

1815
01:42:54,375 --> 01:42:56,606
It is a whole. And if the grant comes
up to before us,

1816
01:42:56,673 --> 01:42:59,004
it's like, well, Councilman Russo,
you did vote for that

1817
01:42:59,071 --> 01:43:01,402
resolution, so maybe kind of sort of
do it?

1818
01:43:01,469 --> 01:43:04,500
And now you're saying no, and we
already spent all this time and money

1819
01:43:04,567 --> 01:43:06,165
on this, getting to this point.

1820
01:43:06,665 --> 01:43:09,655
Like, I was kind of sort of made,
okay.

1821
01:43:09,722 --> 01:43:12,993
I just, you know how I feel about
these. I have talked about these

1822
01:43:13,060 --> 01:43:15,837
type of consultant driven studies a
lot.

1823
01:43:16,057 --> 01:43:19,358
Uh, I will belabor. I have concerns
with that.

1824
01:43:19,425 --> 01:43:20,587
Thank you. Thank you.

1825
01:43:20,654 --> 01:43:22,312
Mr. Karen, thank you.

1826
01:43:22,692 --> 01:43:26,982
Yeah, actually, uh, Councilman
Robello brought up several of the

1827
01:43:27,049 --> 01:43:28,980
challenges that we talked about in
the sacred. They didn't attend

1828
01:43:29,047 --> 01:43:30,419
one of the stakeholder meetings.

1829
01:43:30,486 --> 01:43:32,744
Um, that we actually had over in
Spinler Park.

1830
01:43:33,703 --> 01:43:35,635
Um, back in April, I believe that
was, right?

1831
01:43:35,702 --> 01:43:38,672
That phone. So, so I think that the
real challenge with the study

1832
01:43:38,739 --> 01:43:43,276
going forward is the differences.

1833
01:43:43,425 --> 01:43:46,466
I think in terms of our area, because
even the sidewalk that's

1834
01:43:46,533 --> 01:43:49,563
going to go in front of the Civic
Arena parking lot, we're already

1835
01:43:49,630 --> 01:43:52,921
Right? That's already part of this
parking lot project.

1836
01:43:52,988 --> 01:43:55,659
So pretty much our infrastructure
side of it's gonna be done.

1837
01:43:55,726 --> 01:44:00,655
It'll be greening, the sharrows, the
putting the bike lane and gears,

1838
01:44:00,722 --> 01:44:03,752
which I think is a great idea for the
Half mile roads.

1839
01:44:03,819 --> 01:44:07,449
In that, you know, we had Roseville
did some of them in Masonic and that

1840
01:44:07,516 --> 01:44:10,946
to basically say that, you know,
those roads with less traffic are

1841
01:44:11,013 --> 01:44:15,779
more ideal for cyclists than the
major mile roads.

1842
01:44:16,109 --> 01:44:19,147
And I and to encourage that, I think
is a great idea.

1843
01:44:19,526 --> 01:44:23,836
Um, but the real challenge is the
differences of you get our area that

1844
01:44:23,903 --> 01:44:26,933
we've got the recreational area,
which is really the trail head

1845
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:29,099
because it's not just a senior
center.

1846
01:44:29,239 --> 01:44:32,929
It was, you know, pickleball courts
are open to everybody, handball

1847
01:44:32,996 --> 01:44:36,726
courts open to everybody. It's the
uh, playground, it's Civic Arena,

1848
01:44:36,793 --> 01:44:39,423
you know, it's all our parks and rec
offices are all right there.

1849
01:44:39,490 --> 01:44:42,121
So, it was really when we were
talking about that as a trail head.

1850
01:44:42,188 --> 01:44:44,836
It was really the whole complex, just
not the senior center.

1851
01:44:45,286 --> 01:44:48,716
Um, but then you do get into East
Point and basically the bulk of East

1852
01:44:48,783 --> 01:44:50,781
Point, it's all residential.

1853
01:44:51,161 --> 01:44:54,112
And that, so we got our industrial
going to their residential and

1854
01:44:54,179 --> 01:44:57,309
where we talked about where a bit of
again, taking away their lanes.

1855
01:44:57,376 --> 01:45:00,604
They weren't in favor of it.

1856
01:45:01,445 --> 01:45:06,114
And that they they learn their lesson
went happened at Nine Mile, right?

1857
01:45:06,181 --> 01:45:11,290
When they went through that debate,
there was no skinning of Stevens, you
know,

1858
01:45:11,357 --> 01:45:15,427
to to move any parking, because
that's a residential parking all
along there.

1859
01:45:15,494 --> 01:45:18,164
Um, and then you get to Warren where
it's backed to industrial

1860
01:45:18,231 --> 01:45:19,753
and even a Centerline's industrial

1861
01:45:19,820 --> 01:45:23,470
and then you get to that intersection
at Shainer and Grossback,

1862
01:45:23,537 --> 01:45:25,808
there's no way across in that.

1863
01:45:25,875 --> 01:45:29,965
even even tried to convince the M.
guy that was there. Hey, build us a
skyway.

1864
01:45:30,032 --> 01:45:33,172
We'll only after you if you can get
M.Dot to build a skyway.

1865
01:45:33,239 --> 01:45:36,160
The cross that because that's
literally only safe way you could do
it.

1866
01:45:36,227 --> 01:45:40,057
It's got to be a very similar bridge
to what's over a Grossback at um

1867
01:45:40,124 --> 01:45:42,115
that, um, Metro Parkway.

1868
01:45:42,182 --> 01:45:43,514
Yeah. Yep.

1869
01:45:43,661 --> 01:45:46,212
Um, you need that type of thing to
get over Grossback,

1870
01:45:46,279 --> 01:45:49,017
especially when you got shaner going
right down the middle of it. So

1871
01:45:49,506 --> 01:45:52,007
Um, I think there's still a lot of
challenges going ahead.

1872
01:45:52,074 --> 01:45:56,594
So I guess for the other communities,
where are they at in approving the
study,

1873
01:45:56,661 --> 01:45:58,992
the this next stage of the study.

1874
01:45:59,059 --> 01:46:05,077
So, um, last week, uh, Warren and
Centerline approved their
resolutions,

1875
01:46:05,144 --> 01:46:09,723
and the week prior, uh, East Point
received and filed theirs.

1876
01:46:09,790 --> 01:46:12,398
So that we are the last one on the
line.

1877
01:46:13,098 --> 01:46:14,506
They received and filed it.

1878
01:46:14,956 --> 01:46:16,325
What does that mean?

1879
01:46:17,194 --> 01:46:20,701
That was the that that was the
language that I I um.

1880
01:46:20,791 --> 01:46:21,694
That's an approval.

1881
01:46:21,761 --> 01:46:22,703
No, they received it.

1882
01:46:22,770 --> 01:46:27,109
My understanding is that they did not
adopt a resolution

1883
01:46:27,176 --> 01:46:29,777
that they received and filed the
study.

1884
01:46:29,844 --> 01:46:33,151
and and I don't believe that they
adopted a resolution.

1885
01:46:35,909 --> 01:46:38,011
Never mind, Bob. Bob's not paying
attention right now.

1886
01:46:38,078 --> 01:46:40,486
Um I wasn't there.

1887
01:46:42,964 --> 01:46:47,170
So, all right, so everyone else needs
going ahead of this next stage.

1888
01:46:47,370 --> 01:46:49,518
So, um, so with that,

1889
01:46:49,658 --> 01:46:53,728
what is the timeline for the final
study that can basically lead to

1890
01:46:53,795 --> 01:46:56,852
grant dollars in the future.

1891
01:46:57,852 --> 01:47:01,848
I think it is the next is finding a
grant opportunity.

1892
01:47:02,268 --> 01:47:06,165
So it basically would be this study
that's presented to us tonight.

1893
01:47:06,665 --> 01:47:09,942
to be approved or received and filed.

1894
01:47:10,282 --> 01:47:13,522
by all four communities, so that way
you can then start solicit for

1895
01:47:13,589 --> 01:47:16,467
grant opportunities at this point.

1896
01:47:16,657 --> 01:47:20,836
So we basically would take this and
say, hey, we would want to build on
this

1897
01:47:20,903 --> 01:47:24,670
and that would be a part of our grant
application.

1898
01:47:24,740 --> 01:47:28,910
And so they would see that some leg
work has been done, this has been
thought

1899
01:47:28,977 --> 01:47:31,837
about up to a point.

1900
01:47:31,904 --> 01:47:36,184
And so usually these grants will give
you, um, sort of a

1901
01:47:36,251 --> 01:47:38,532
milestone dollars, right?

1902
01:47:38,599 --> 01:47:42,099
So it'll be next could be a more
defined plan,

1903
01:47:42,166 --> 01:47:43,678
or it could be a conceptual plan,

1904
01:47:43,745 --> 01:47:46,905
or it could be 60% construction
documents,

1905
01:47:46,972 --> 01:47:49,084
or it could be public engagement
only.

1906
01:47:49,151 --> 01:47:52,691
So it would be any number of those
steps.

1907
01:47:52,758 --> 01:47:54,926
Um for a grant application.

1908
01:47:55,306 --> 01:47:59,146
and then is it basically all four
communities are going to be involved

1909
01:47:59,213 --> 01:48:01,634
which each application process then.

1910
01:48:01,701 --> 01:48:02,723
It could be anything.

1911
01:48:02,790 --> 01:48:06,679
It could be we do something on our
own if there's something that we
find.

1912
01:48:06,746 --> 01:48:10,976
It could be all four communities
continue to try to work together.

1913
01:48:11,043 --> 01:48:13,754
or any, you know, any of the four,
right?

1914
01:48:13,821 --> 01:48:16,871
Um, maybe not all of them would be
able to or want to participate

1915
01:48:16,938 --> 01:48:18,767
in something in the future.

1916
01:48:20,106 --> 01:48:23,296
So equivalent to uh, we're required
to have a Parks and Rec

1917
01:48:23,363 --> 01:48:25,674
master plan to apply for things.

1918
01:48:25,741 --> 01:48:28,242
Right? And things that we apply for
need to be in our master plan.

1919
01:48:28,309 --> 01:48:29,231
Yeah. Yes.

1920
01:48:29,298 --> 01:48:32,958
Yes, I think that's probably a good
way to to to look at it is that

1921
01:48:33,025 --> 01:48:36,026
this is a this is a nice foundation
for if you want to apply for

1922
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:40,053
something else that is um more
intense in nature.

1923
01:48:40,120 --> 01:48:41,768
Okay. All right. Thank you.

1924
01:48:41,938 --> 01:48:43,270
Mr. Vitaly.

1925
01:48:43,777 --> 01:48:45,346
I was just going to say,

1926
01:48:45,416 --> 01:48:49,922
um, you did mention when you're
speaking to Council Woman's Ru's's
question,

1927
01:48:50,112 --> 01:48:55,148
um, about potentially parking spaces
being reserved at senior. I think
maybe

1928
01:48:55,917 --> 01:48:59,497
may have fumbled over words cuz this
is a non-motorized

1929
01:48:59,564 --> 01:49:01,286
mode of transportation, right?

1930
01:49:01,353 --> 01:49:04,011
So we're not talking about parking
spaces.

1931
01:49:05,879 --> 01:49:08,460
there are trail heads with parking
spaces.

1932
01:49:08,527 --> 01:49:13,376
The idea is you might live a far
distance away, too far to bike or
walk

1933
01:49:13,443 --> 01:49:18,342
to to from your house to the trail
head.

1934
01:49:18,409 --> 01:49:23,075
So you drive to the trail head and
then you get on your bike or you take
your.

1935
01:49:23,145 --> 01:49:26,086
So that's some that's how some trail
heads work.

1936
01:49:26,153 --> 01:49:29,563
To be fair, I don't ever think we're
going to get to a point where we've
got

1937
01:49:29,630 --> 01:49:33,197
so many bicycle tourers that we can't
get parking at the senior center but

1938
01:49:33,557 --> 01:49:36,268
Okay, so maybe I I understand it a
little better.

1939
01:49:36,335 --> 01:49:42,243
And there is another place in the I
guess the stakeholder comments where

1940
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:47,379
um I I believe is it State Rut
Kleinfell or State Senator Kleinfell?

1941
01:49:47,446 --> 01:49:49,357
Okay, so State Senator Kleinfelt.

1942
01:49:49,424 --> 01:49:53,954
did comment about a closed gas
station at the corner of Stevens and
Grash at

1943
01:49:54,021 --> 01:49:57,711
potentially being a a trail head or a
trail head or a trail stop or
something like that, which

1944
01:49:57,778 --> 01:49:59,776
I mean that

1945
01:50:01,313 --> 01:50:04,163
makes sense because quite honestly,
the portion of this that needs

1946
01:50:04,230 --> 01:50:06,512
the most work is basically from Van
Dyke to Grassi.

1947
01:50:06,579 --> 01:50:07,412
Mmm.

1948
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:10,782
So I I think that's logical too, if
you want my input on it.

1949
01:50:10,849 --> 01:50:13,740
I think that's a logical place for a
trail head,

1950
01:50:13,807 --> 01:50:17,577
because really the residential
section of East Point

1951
01:50:17,644 --> 01:50:20,274
there isn't much to see and I don't
know how excited.

1952
01:50:20,341 --> 01:50:22,563
I mean our senior center's exciting,
but it's for St. Clair Shores
seniors.

1953
01:50:22,630 --> 01:50:23,463
Mmm.

1954
01:50:23,530 --> 01:50:26,993
So, but I will say this. I'm gonna
I'm gonna vote for this,

1955
01:50:27,060 --> 01:50:30,088
and I'll tell you my reasoning behind
it is that

1956
01:50:30,457 --> 01:50:33,888
I think that this has the potential
to greatly enhance

1957
01:50:33,955 --> 01:50:37,884
the city of East Point, city of
Warren, city of Centerline.

1958
01:50:37,951 --> 01:50:40,282
And I certainly don't want to get in
the way of that

1959
01:50:40,349 --> 01:50:43,680
because good property values in those
communities

1960
01:50:43,747 --> 01:50:46,308
translate to good property values in
St. Clair Shores.

1961
01:50:46,375 --> 01:50:48,756
So I'm not going to get in the way of
this and I'm going to vote for it.

1962
01:50:48,823 --> 01:50:53,179
But I I think you've kind of got a
handle on how we feel up here
tonight.

1963
01:50:53,519 --> 01:50:54,851
Mr.

1964
01:50:54,938 --> 01:50:57,089
Oh, I'm sorry. I was going to make a
motion to adopt.

1965
01:50:57,156 --> 01:50:57,989
Okay, you can.

1966
01:50:58,056 --> 01:50:59,388
Vitali.

1967
01:50:59,508 --> 01:51:01,260
Mr. Vitale moves to approve.

1968
01:51:01,327 --> 01:51:02,209
Support.

1969
01:51:02,276 --> 01:51:05,276
Supported by Mr. Frederick. Mr.
Rabello with a question.

1970
01:51:05,343 --> 01:51:07,635
Yeah, just uh two more quick
questions.

1971
01:51:07,702 --> 01:51:08,584
Mmm.

1972
01:51:08,651 --> 01:51:14,429
Uh, who uh Liz or Denise, who's the
point person on this?

1973
01:51:14,496 --> 01:51:19,275
Who's the one that's would be our St.
Clair Shores, you know, rep?

1974
01:51:19,342 --> 01:51:20,944
Either one of us is fine.

1975
01:51:21,011 --> 01:51:22,952
I I'm um, doesn't matter.

1976
01:51:23,019 --> 01:51:27,449
I I'm more than happy to take any
questions from people or ideas.

1977
01:51:27,516 --> 01:51:28,349
Okay.

1978
01:51:28,416 --> 01:51:30,790
See, this is sort of where I

1979
01:51:30,857 --> 01:51:33,198
I think you guys do a great job.

1980
01:51:33,265 --> 01:51:34,227
You know I think you do it.

1981
01:51:34,294 --> 01:51:36,725
Do I think I do, do I think you guys
do

1982
01:51:36,792 --> 01:51:39,503
too much and need some help?

1983
01:51:39,570 --> 01:51:44,126
I've told all I've told you both that
several different times.

1984
01:51:44,626 --> 01:51:49,715
As far as the maintenance of our
portion,

1985
01:51:49,782 --> 01:51:55,111
as far as the security of our, I mean
how what change, what is the deal?

1986
01:51:55,178 --> 01:52:00,806
Those are all ideas that would need
to be discussed and fleshed out

1987
01:52:00,873 --> 01:52:03,364
if the next step were to ever be
taken.

1988
01:52:03,431 --> 01:52:08,800
Because those are big issues, right?
Maintenance and security and
lighting,

1989
01:52:08,867 --> 01:52:11,105
all of that, very important concepts.

1990
01:52:12,264 --> 01:52:14,395
So five vote yes for this right now.

1991
01:52:14,462 --> 01:52:17,792
I get a second chance when it comes
back and if I don't like

1992
01:52:17,859 --> 01:52:20,420
what I see, I vote no.

1993
01:52:20,487 --> 01:52:21,357
Correct.

1994
01:52:21,424 --> 01:52:22,257
I can do that.

1995
01:52:22,324 --> 01:52:23,157
Okay.

1996
01:52:23,224 --> 01:52:24,956
Thank you.

1997
01:52:25,023 --> 01:52:25,856
Mayor.

1998
01:52:25,923 --> 01:52:29,326
Moved by Mr. Vitelli, supported by
Mr. Frederick to approve the

1999
01:52:29,393 --> 01:52:31,025
resolution adopting the Stephen's
Greenway Feasibility study.

2000
01:52:31,092 --> 01:52:31,925
All in favor?

2001
01:52:31,992 --> 01:52:33,724
Aye.

2002
01:52:33,791 --> 01:52:34,624
All opposed?

2003
01:52:34,691 --> 01:52:35,636
No.

2004
01:52:35,703 --> 01:52:36,695
6 to 1 it passes.

2005
01:52:36,762 --> 01:52:38,094
Thank you.

2006
01:52:38,281 --> 01:52:39,613
Thank you, council.

2007
01:52:39,680 --> 01:52:41,971
Thank you.

2008
01:52:42,038 --> 01:52:45,308
Item five has been removed. There's
some additional questions, so that

2009
01:52:45,375 --> 01:52:49,772
has been removed, which is the
approval of the sale of 21606
Pleasant.

2010
01:52:49,972 --> 01:52:54,401
Item six is the request for approval
to erect a small cell in City right

2011
01:52:54,468 --> 01:52:57,046
away at 32215 Jefferson.

2012
01:52:58,165 --> 01:53:00,263
Miss Bike, CDI Director.

2013
01:53:00,663 --> 01:53:02,495
Mr. Mayor and council, excuse me.

2014
01:53:02,562 --> 01:53:03,461
[clears throat]

2015
01:53:03,528 --> 01:53:07,291
Thank you for accommodating my
apparently no voice

2016
01:53:07,358 --> 01:53:10,355
and short-term disability.

2017
01:53:12,054 --> 01:53:16,363
Um the Michigan small cell statute
adopted in 2018

2018
01:53:16,430 --> 01:53:21,379
provides for the placement of small
cell wireless poles in the public

2019
01:53:21,446 --> 01:53:23,705
right of way.

2020
01:53:24,424 --> 01:53:28,774
We have learned that these small
cells, which have a limited range

2021
01:53:28,841 --> 01:53:33,737
compared to the macro cell towers,
Blossom Heath, cell tower,

2022
01:53:34,036 --> 01:53:38,366
are desired for high traffic
locations such as next to schools,

2023
01:53:38,433 --> 01:53:43,462
parks, and other gathering places.
One of the things that we learned was

2024
01:53:43,529 --> 01:53:47,259
next to schools is ideal because
there are parents waiting on their

2025
01:53:47,326 --> 01:53:49,544
cell phones.

2026
01:53:49,824 --> 01:53:55,952
And so the small cells are something
that, you know, most wireless

2027
01:53:56,019 --> 01:53:58,836
companies want to be placing in
communities.

2028
01:53:59,836 --> 01:54:04,945
According to our Telecommunications
Council, the combination of the

2029
01:54:05,012 --> 01:54:09,241
statute and an FCC order makes
challenging the location of these

2030
01:54:09,308 --> 01:54:11,207
poles very difficult.

2031
01:54:12,905 --> 01:54:17,534
The city is essentially limited to
making sure the poles are not

2032
01:54:17,601 --> 01:54:20,499
taller than 40 feet,

2033
01:54:20,999 --> 01:54:23,729
plus an antenna height of 6 feet,

2034
01:54:23,796 --> 01:54:27,826
and that the facilities located on
them are not larger than

2035
01:54:27,893 --> 01:54:33,669
25 cubic feet, which is approximately
the size of a refrigerator.

2036
01:54:34,088 --> 01:54:39,217
So when they sell small cell, when
they say small cell, it's a misnomer,

2037
01:54:39,284 --> 01:54:42,042
they're not actually very small.

2038
01:54:43,041 --> 01:54:44,373
Um

2039
01:54:45,579 --> 01:54:50,208
In practice, the city can typically
guide the provider to what the city

2040
01:54:50,275 --> 01:54:54,305
continues to be a more ideal location
than what was proposed, but the

2041
01:54:54,372 --> 01:54:58,901
statute limits proposed alternatives
to 75 feet within the originally

2042
01:54:58,968 --> 01:55:01,626
requested location.

2043
01:55:01,766 --> 01:55:04,164
I'll give you one example that we had

2044
01:55:04,836 --> 01:55:09,135
Um, on in front of the elementary
school,

2045
01:55:09,202 --> 01:55:12,350
um, Princeton Elementary School?

2046
01:55:13,269 --> 01:55:18,035
I think that's the one on Statler.
Councilman Vitali is familiar with
it.

2047
01:55:18,764 --> 01:55:22,682
We had a request to put a small cell
there in the middle of the

2048
01:55:22,749 --> 01:55:26,248
sidewalk where all the kids gather.

2049
01:55:26,658 --> 01:55:30,976
We were successful and when I say we,
this was a combined effort as

2050
01:55:31,043 --> 01:55:34,932
many of them are in the department
between Liz and myself,

2051
01:55:35,571 --> 01:55:42,336
in, um, encouraging them to move
closer to another side street.

2052
01:55:42,585 --> 01:55:47,163
What's also important is that these
can't be located on DTE transmission,

2053
01:55:47,230 --> 01:55:50,589
the poles that have the transmission
lines.

2054
01:55:50,809 --> 01:55:55,465
So it isn't possible to co-locate on
those utility poles.

2055
01:55:55,765 --> 01:56:00,252
You may remember in the past, we've
had a lot on DTE poles that were

2056
01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:04,228
small wireless. This is an entirely
new pole.

2057
01:56:05,147 --> 01:56:10,344
So since January we've received nine
requests from a company that

2058
01:56:10,411 --> 01:56:14,972
supports Verizon for small cells.

2059
01:56:15,039 --> 01:56:19,737
Including the one that we're asking
for approval tonight at 32215

2060
01:56:19,804 --> 01:56:24,062
Jefferson, with this is at near
Jefferson and Masonic.

2061
01:56:24,752 --> 01:56:28,530
This site is the first to obtain all
internal approvals, so it does go

2062
01:56:28,597 --> 01:56:32,695
through the regular permitting
process, engineering,

2063
01:56:33,075 --> 01:56:38,511
building, water, sewer, everyone has
to look at it and approve it.

2064
01:56:38,591 --> 01:56:41,009
Before we would bring it to council.

2065
01:56:42,108 --> 01:56:46,515
Um, so the pole is proposed along the
northern side of Tony J's,

2066
01:56:46,582 --> 01:56:49,921
between the restaurant and the gas
station,

2067
01:56:50,001 --> 01:56:55,690
and would not be very visible from
either Jefferson or from Veterans
Memorial.

2068
01:56:55,757 --> 01:56:57,755
So we're asking for approval.

2069
01:57:00,313 --> 01:57:01,170
Questions?

2070
01:57:01,237 --> 01:57:02,070
Mr. Rusey.

2071
01:57:02,137 --> 01:57:04,970
Thank you. So basically state and
federal law really ties your hands

2072
01:57:05,037 --> 01:57:06,891
on on this issue.

2073
01:57:06,958 --> 01:57:08,360
Unfortunately, it does.

2074
01:57:08,427 --> 01:57:12,764
I know you mentioned the possibility
of co-location, is it possible for

2075
01:57:12,831 --> 01:57:16,543
this particular one correct because
of the nature of the DTE polls
nearby?

2076
01:57:16,610 --> 01:57:18,189
It is not possible.

2077
01:57:18,359 --> 01:57:21,857
Okay, but we, we did look at that and
we, that would obviously be more

2078
01:57:21,924 --> 01:57:24,714
desirable than a new pole.

2079
01:57:24,781 --> 01:57:25,614
Yes.

2080
01:57:25,681 --> 01:57:28,253
I know it won't help with this one,
but maybe one of our state reps

2081
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:30,480
could take this up.

2082
01:57:30,660 --> 01:57:36,146
Uh, there, um, some years ago, back,
I think it was in 21 or 22, uh, there

2083
01:57:36,213 --> 01:57:39,544
was a bill, it ended up dying in
committee, but there was a bill
introduced that

2084
01:57:39,611 --> 01:57:42,243
would require companies to

2085
01:57:42,310 --> 01:57:45,739
have to show to a municipality why
co-location was unfeasible before

2086
01:57:45,806 --> 01:57:48,239
a new poll could be erected.

2087
01:57:48,306 --> 01:57:50,697
It died in committee, but that might
be a good requirement.

2088
01:57:50,764 --> 01:57:53,233
It won't help with this, but it might
help with other circumstances where

2089
01:57:53,300 --> 01:57:56,730
they don't want to put up a new pole,
where they don't want to co-locate,

2090
01:57:56,797 --> 01:57:59,528
they rather just put up a new pole,
but they would just show like in this

2091
01:57:59,595 --> 01:58:01,598
circumstance it's not feasible.

2092
01:58:01,665 --> 01:58:04,324
It won't help here, but it might help
other communities because I know

2093
01:58:04,391 --> 01:58:07,221
these can be a little bit
controversial because people are kind
of tired of

2094
01:58:07,288 --> 01:58:09,482
all the polls.

2095
01:58:09,549 --> 01:58:13,816
So maybe look that bill up, I think
it was from 21, 22. It was, I think,

2096
01:58:13,883 --> 01:58:17,445
Yurk, Y-A-R-U-C-H, if I remember
correctly.

2097
01:58:17,512 --> 01:58:20,311
Yeah, it died in committee, but I
think that might be one that a lot of
municipalities

2098
01:58:20,378 --> 01:58:23,608
will get behind to help in other
types of circumstances, especially as
these

2099
01:58:23,675 --> 01:58:26,958
type of requests are coming in more
and more.

2100
01:58:27,025 --> 01:58:30,703
Just given how much it amends the
Michigan Small Cell Act, so it's not

2101
01:58:30,770 --> 01:58:33,982
a new bill, it's an amendment of the
existing app.

2102
01:58:34,049 --> 01:58:36,420
That really helped tie your hands a
lot with this.

2103
01:58:36,487 --> 01:58:40,295
But I know small cell is trying to
prioritize the co-location, so that

2104
01:58:40,362 --> 01:58:44,394
would further, maybe even further,
the intent of the act.

2105
01:58:44,461 --> 01:58:47,889
But, okay, that was my question about
was my question about was co-location
considered, it wasn't,

2106
01:58:47,956 --> 01:58:50,839
unfortunately, and that's not
possible here.

2107
01:58:50,906 --> 01:58:51,768
Correct.

2108
01:58:51,835 --> 01:58:53,167
Okay, thank you.

2109
01:58:53,244 --> 01:58:54,436
Mr. Frederick.

2110
01:58:54,503 --> 01:58:55,892
Uh, thanks, Mayor.

2111
01:58:56,311 --> 01:59:00,521
Denise, uh, according to the, uh, the
map that we've got in here.

2112
01:59:00,588 --> 01:59:04,775
This pole is right next to Tony J's
in that very narrow area between

2113
01:59:04,842 --> 01:59:07,852
the sidewalk and curb.

2114
01:59:07,919 --> 01:59:08,752
Correct.

2115
01:59:08,819 --> 01:59:13,109
Uh, and it's, and it seems like it's
very close to his new restaurant, the
East.

2116
01:59:13,379 --> 01:59:15,767
It is adjacent to, yes.

2117
01:59:15,996 --> 01:59:20,264
Um, I guess I'm not happy with how
far east it is. I would rather move

2118
01:59:20,331 --> 01:59:24,263
it farther west if we have to do this
or even across the street.

2119
01:59:24,330 --> 01:59:28,037
There is an alleyway behind the gas
station where there's nothing there.

2120
01:59:28,427 --> 01:59:31,155
And probably no one would see it, and
it seems to me it would be a

2121
01:59:31,222 --> 01:59:32,386
better spot.

2122
01:59:32,453 --> 01:59:35,152
I don't know what kind of leeway, you
said we have 75 feet, is that

2123
01:59:35,219 --> 01:59:37,259
in any direction?

2124
01:59:37,739 --> 01:59:41,147
Uh, I believe it is in any direction.
I would have to to defer to

2125
01:59:41,214 --> 01:59:43,697
telecommunications council.

2126
01:59:43,764 --> 01:59:45,286
All right, can we find that out for
sure?

2127
01:59:45,353 --> 01:59:49,041
Absolutely. I you know, and, and has
uh, Steve been contacted over

2128
01:59:49,108 --> 01:59:52,387
there at Tony J's? Steve has not been
contacted, no.

2129
01:59:52,567 --> 01:59:55,636
I mean, I mean, we're going to put
it, we're going to put a, a giant

2130
01:59:55,703 --> 01:59:58,602
utility pole with a refrigerator on
top.

2131
01:59:58,952 --> 02:00:01,363
And I think we should let him know
that.

2132
02:00:01,430 --> 02:00:02,462
Okay. All right, if we can.

2133
02:00:02,529 --> 02:00:03,362
Certainly.

2134
02:00:03,429 --> 02:00:04,600
you know, just

2135
02:00:04,667 --> 02:00:06,749
For clarity, we're not putting it
there.

2136
02:00:06,816 --> 02:00:13,603
I know. I know, but we're we would we
would be approving it based on the

2137
02:00:13,670 --> 02:00:17,210
on the state and the feds. My other
question is, does any of this fall

2138
02:00:17,277 --> 02:00:20,807
under the Metro Act?

2139
02:00:20,874 --> 02:00:27,812
It is not under the Metro Act, it's a
separate act. But we do get, you
know,

2140
02:00:27,879 --> 02:00:33,727
permit fees and those, you know,
there we get compensated like a
permit, but we

2141
02:00:33,794 --> 02:00:36,305
don't have ongoing, um, you know, per
linear foot or any of those costs,

2142
02:00:36,372 --> 02:00:42,150
which the Metro Act would allow us.
All right, maybe maybe if our state

2143
02:00:42,217 --> 02:00:46,917
rep could remember that part of it
where we're we don't Because we get
we

2144
02:00:46,984 --> 02:00:49,215
get paid based on pole attachments
and so, you know, so many it's not
very

2145
02:00:49,282 --> 02:00:55,869
much, but it's something, right? And
uh, it just worries me that,

2146
02:00:55,936 --> 02:01:00,126
you know, if we're going to have
eight of these around the city and
then we're

2147
02:01:00,193 --> 02:01:03,613
just saying, oh yeah, sure, come in
because the state said we had to let

2148
02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:05,152
you come in and within 75 feet of
wherever it is you think you need
this.

2149
02:01:05,219 --> 02:01:07,267
Okay. So, uh, Okay.

2150
02:01:07,527 --> 02:01:09,046
That's all I've got.

2151
02:01:09,635 --> 02:01:10,967
Mr. Vitale.

2152
02:01:11,354 --> 02:01:17,062
Um, I think Councilman Frederick must
have been using a small cell to

2153
02:01:17,129 --> 02:01:20,939
Bluetooth into my head because he
basically said what I was going to
say,

2154
02:01:21,006 --> 02:01:26,365
and that is, why don't we put this
across the street on the back side of

2155
02:01:26,432 --> 02:01:29,542
a gas station? We're I don't know who
cares.

2156
02:01:29,609 --> 02:01:34,788
Is there any easement on that
property behind between the
residential area and

2157
02:01:34,855 --> 02:01:37,693
the gas station? He said alleys. I
don't know if we have an easement
there.

2158
02:01:37,783 --> 02:01:41,490
Our city planner just informed me
that that's private property.

2159
02:01:41,580 --> 02:01:42,962
All that complete lot.

2160
02:01:43,029 --> 02:01:44,817
A complete lot.

2161
02:01:45,517 --> 02:01:51,575
Okay. Um, well there still has
there's no sidewalk, it doesn't
appear

2162
02:01:51,642 --> 02:01:55,409
on that north side of Edgewater.

2163
02:01:55,589 --> 02:02:01,464
So we don't have any easement? I
mean, we've got a curb there, so
gotta have some easement there.

2164
02:02:05,451 --> 02:02:08,019
It is unusual that it doesn't have a
sidewalk.

2165
02:02:08,268 --> 02:02:11,296
We have about 10 feet there.

2166
02:02:12,215 --> 02:02:15,782
So, um, between the sidewalk and the
property line.

2167
02:02:16,222 --> 02:02:18,823
Uh, or excuse me, the back of curb
and the property line.

2168
02:02:18,890 --> 02:02:25,055
Well, even 10 feet seems better than
putting this on, you know, what maybe
that's five feet.

2169
02:02:25,724 --> 02:02:30,284
Yeah, that we've got for an easement
on the south side of Edgewood.

2170
02:02:30,351 --> 02:02:34,830
It's the same. So between the back of
curb and the sidewalk,

2171
02:02:34,897 --> 02:02:39,596
um, on the Tony J side is about 10 to
12 feet.

2172
02:02:39,663 --> 02:02:44,203
Well, I would rather put this and and
maybe you can instruct me on how I

2173
02:02:44,270 --> 02:02:48,599
should be voting because I would much
rather put this on the backside of a

2174
02:02:48,666 --> 02:02:52,306
gas station than next to a potential
future restaurant site or something
like

2175
02:02:52,373 --> 02:02:57,092
that. So I I would say I would let
everyone speak and then I would go
for the motion to table.

2176
02:02:57,159 --> 02:02:57,992
Table.

2177
02:02:58,059 --> 02:03:04,077
Okay. Yeah, that's what I was
thinking cuz I don't want to vote for
this until we sit down and say no and
if we have

2178
02:03:04,144 --> 02:03:09,280
that authority to do it. Before we do
table, there's no else pencil, so
we're...

2179
02:03:09,589 --> 02:03:11,831
Okay. You good, Mr. Vitale? Yes, I'm
good.

2180
02:03:11,898 --> 02:03:13,139
Mr. Bellow.

2181
02:03:13,206 --> 02:03:16,797
May I didn't know if I'm going to
just say a couple things and I'm not
sure

2182
02:03:16,864 --> 02:03:19,222
if anybody else is going to say
anything so,

2183
02:03:19,721 --> 02:03:26,716
Um, I I am with uh, Chris Vitali. Uh,
I took a look. This thing is uh,

2184
02:03:27,015 --> 02:03:31,515
or around rather. This thing is right
on top of the guy.

2185
02:03:31,582 --> 02:03:36,731
Okay, and heaven sakes, we have
enough going out right now, okay?

2186
02:03:36,798 --> 02:03:38,556
And

2187
02:03:40,055 --> 02:03:42,803
I have some issues with where that's
placed.

2188
02:03:43,312 --> 02:03:45,401
Yeah, a couple quick questions.

2189
02:03:45,640 --> 02:03:50,087
Is that that's over 500 feet from the
school?

2190
02:03:50,946 --> 02:03:54,034
Um, I don't know the distance from
the school.

2191
02:03:54,104 --> 02:03:55,932
Because isn't there rules for these
things?

2192
02:03:56,162 --> 02:03:59,210
Not not for a distance from a school,
no.

2193
02:03:59,389 --> 02:04:01,448
No? No. Okay.

2194
02:04:02,237 --> 02:04:04,515
We have ones proposed for much
closer.

2195
02:04:04,655 --> 02:04:07,076
So I I you know, just look into that,
okay?

2196
02:04:07,143 --> 02:04:08,492
Sure. Absolutely.

2197
02:04:08,562 --> 02:04:15,557
Uh, there's a lot going on down there
and uh, I just don't think it's the
best spot for it and

2198
02:04:18,954 --> 02:04:22,994
um, I would make a motion.

2199
02:04:23,061 --> 02:04:26,511
Mr. Mr. Vitelli, just wait. There's
Miss Burgess has her pencil up. So

2200
02:04:26,578 --> 02:04:30,418
if you could just let everyone speak
and then I'll I'll I'll take I'll
take a motion to table.

2201
02:04:30,485 --> 02:04:33,835
I think we're all on the same page.
Just let everyone speak so that we
can get that out.

2202
02:04:33,902 --> 02:04:36,553
Sure. Are you good? Yep.

2203
02:04:36,620 --> 02:04:37,762
Ms. Burgess.

2204
02:04:37,829 --> 02:04:41,009
Um, well, if we're going to table it,
I don't know if uh all this, but I'm

2205
02:04:41,076 --> 02:04:47,001
going to say, uh, we received nine
requests since January and this is
the first one coming to us this year.

2206
02:04:47,121 --> 02:04:53,526
Um, are the other eight proposal for
similar commercial locations or any
proposal near residential?

2207
02:04:53,906 --> 02:04:55,737
There is a combination of both.

2208
02:04:55,804 --> 02:04:58,132
Commercial and residential
applications.

2209
02:04:58,202 --> 02:05:03,919
Okay, so, I know that, uh, the state
law significantly limits our ability
to deny these.

2210
02:05:03,986 --> 02:05:06,017
but what discretion does the city

2211
02:05:06,084 --> 02:05:08,135
have to exact placement,

2212
02:05:08,202 --> 02:05:10,234
um particularly with a

2213
02:05:10,301 --> 02:05:12,482
proposed location,

2214
02:05:12,549 --> 02:05:14,880
like one that we're kind of
disagreeing about right now,

2215
02:05:14,947 --> 02:05:17,878
Um but one that could affect a
residential neighborhood,

2216
02:05:17,945 --> 02:05:21,205
a park or any other sensitive
locations?

2217
02:05:21,272 --> 02:05:23,303
We we have limited abilities,

2218
02:05:23,370 --> 02:05:25,991
they do have to comply with other
ordinances,

2219
02:05:26,058 --> 02:05:29,488
they do, for example, we we have

2220
02:05:29,555 --> 02:05:33,785
two proposed um that fall within the
corner clearance,

2221
02:05:33,852 --> 02:05:36,360
which we have denied.

2222
02:05:36,700 --> 02:05:38,531
Um so they must propose a

2223
02:05:38,598 --> 02:05:40,976
different location for that.

2224
02:05:41,446 --> 02:05:45,775
If it it is impacted or it impacts
water, sewer,

2225
02:05:45,842 --> 02:05:48,273
anything like that, any

2226
02:05:48,340 --> 02:05:50,372
underground infrastructure,

2227
02:05:50,439 --> 02:05:53,686
we have the the ability to deny it.

2228
02:05:53,996 --> 02:06:00,990
Um, if it is just because we don't
want it,

2229
02:06:01,839 --> 02:06:04,190
Um, then we don't have the ability.

2230
02:06:04,257 --> 02:06:05,679
not a good enough excuse.

2231
02:06:05,746 --> 02:06:09,923
Yes. Although we we'd like to try and
sometimes.

2232
02:06:10,113 --> 02:06:12,444
So, um, who is uh responsible

2233
02:06:12,511 --> 02:06:14,452
for maintaining the poll,

2234
02:06:14,519 --> 02:06:17,850
the equipment, repairing damage to
any of the right of way

2235
02:06:17,917 --> 02:06:20,305
or removing equipment if it's
abandoned.

2236
02:06:20,554 --> 02:06:24,431
Um, it would be incumbent upon the
wireless provider to do that.

2237
02:06:24,981 --> 02:06:28,811
So they are required to do
restoration if necessary.

2238
02:06:28,878 --> 02:06:32,977
I think we've heard about the quality
of that in the past.

2239
02:06:33,044 --> 02:06:35,775
Um, but they would be, it would be a
stipulation that if it's

2240
02:06:35,842 --> 02:06:38,343
abandoned, they have to remove it.

2241
02:06:38,410 --> 02:06:39,642
Okay. Thank you very much.

2242
02:06:39,709 --> 02:06:41,058
Mr. Karen.

2243
02:06:41,608 --> 02:06:42,540
Thank you.

2244
02:06:42,607 --> 02:06:45,654
Denise, so probably as part of the
follow-up on this one,

2245
02:06:47,153 --> 02:06:50,271
we'll be meeting with our
telecommunications attorney

2246
02:06:50,630 --> 02:06:53,061
to basically in order to give them to
agree to move it across

2247
02:06:53,128 --> 02:06:55,077
the street basically.

2248
02:06:55,247 --> 02:06:57,478
But in that conversation, could

2249
02:06:57,545 --> 02:07:00,375
you bring up with them of what type
of notification

2250
02:07:00,442 --> 02:07:02,873
we can give to a property owner

2251
02:07:02,940 --> 02:07:06,770
that's going to have this in front or
adjacent their property

2252
02:07:06,837 --> 02:07:08,969
and to get it from him. So the

2253
02:07:09,036 --> 02:07:11,317
property owners understand what their
rights on this as well.

2254
02:07:11,384 --> 02:07:14,804
You know, our hands are tied by state
and federal law.

2255
02:07:14,871 --> 02:07:17,602
You know, they're allowed to do this
within a certain area,

2256
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:21,239
but imagine there's got to be some
right the property owner has

2257
02:07:21,306 --> 02:07:24,037
and we ought to have something from
them that we can give the

2258
02:07:24,104 --> 02:07:26,335
property owner, especially as well as
before it's being

2259
02:07:26,402 --> 02:07:29,092
considered, make sure the property
owners are given notice.

2260
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:30,811
Okay. You know, again.

2261
02:07:30,878 --> 02:07:33,889
You would think the
telecommunications company would be
required to do that

2262
02:07:33,956 --> 02:07:36,197
just like we're required to do it

2263
02:07:36,264 --> 02:07:37,596
when we're rezoning property,

2264
02:07:37,663 --> 02:07:39,494
doing site plans. The law doesn't
require me to do that,

2265
02:07:39,561 --> 02:07:42,042
but it's a good thing to do to
Councilman Frederick's point.

2266
02:07:42,109 --> 02:07:43,498
Absolutely. Thank you.

2267
02:07:44,098 --> 02:07:45,996
Anything last, Mr. Frederick?

2268
02:07:46,196 --> 02:07:50,662
And uh I I agree with what John was
saying on that and uh

2269
02:07:51,212 --> 02:07:53,543
you know, like the what is it? 500
foot,

2270
02:07:53,610 --> 02:07:56,627
you mail it out and make them pay,
right?

2271
02:07:56,957 --> 02:08:00,534
Because we can collect fees for what
notifications.

2272
02:08:00,724 --> 02:08:04,454
Uh the other question I had is on the
uh what Miss Burgess said about,

2273
02:08:04,521 --> 02:08:06,882
you know, removing the equipment.

2274
02:08:06,949 --> 02:08:09,880
Can is there a chance that we can get
a bond so that it's

2275
02:08:09,947 --> 02:08:12,877
we hold it, if they don't come and
take it down, we

2276
02:08:12,944 --> 02:08:15,592
cash the bond and take it down?

2277
02:08:16,012 --> 02:08:20,241
Um, we do get a bond for the building
permit.

2278
02:08:20,308 --> 02:08:22,020
Um, I can certainly talk.

2279
02:08:22,087 --> 02:08:23,839
A thousand dollars is the largest
bond we can put out.

2280
02:08:23,906 --> 02:08:25,218
Right. Right.

2281
02:08:25,285 --> 02:08:27,765
I can talk with uh counsel about

2282
02:08:27,832 --> 02:08:30,084
a bond that we would hold.

2283
02:08:30,151 --> 02:08:31,882
I mean, there's there's bonds for
these kinds of things all over

2284
02:08:31,949 --> 02:08:33,221
the country, right?

2285
02:08:33,288 --> 02:08:38,497
So let's not let that slip by and
just in case we can.

2286
02:08:38,564 --> 02:08:40,176
All right. Okay. Thank you.

2287
02:08:40,243 --> 02:08:41,944
Do you need a motion to? I'll
entertain a motion, Mr. Frederick.

2288
02:08:42,011 --> 02:08:44,089
I'll move to table. Support.

2289
02:08:44,259 --> 02:08:47,060
moved by Mr. Frederick, supported by
Miss Rusey to table.

2290
02:08:47,127 --> 02:08:49,015
All in favor? Aye. Aye.

2291
02:08:49,082 --> 02:08:49,915
All opposed, seven and nothing.

2292
02:08:49,982 --> 02:08:51,583
Thank you. Thank you, Council.

2293
02:08:51,763 --> 02:08:53,302
You have the direction, right?

2294
02:08:53,842 --> 02:08:55,084
All right. Thank you.

2295
02:08:55,151 --> 02:08:55,984
[coughing]

2296
02:08:56,679 --> 02:09:00,359
Item seven is carry over requests for
fiscal year 27, Mr. Light.

2297
02:09:00,426 --> 02:09:04,396
Yes. So um unfortunately, um Mr. John
Walters, our finance director

2298
02:09:04,463 --> 02:09:07,693
was unable to be here tonight, uh so
that's why I would carry, I would

2299
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:09,852
take care of the carryovers.

2300
02:09:09,919 --> 02:09:12,849
Um, as Council is well aware, we do
our carryovers each year, um,

2301
02:09:12,916 --> 02:09:14,948
before we kind of get started on
everything.

2302
02:09:15,015 --> 02:09:18,645
A lot of these carryovers are street,
uh, sewer infrastructure

2303
02:09:18,712 --> 02:09:21,343
projects that start in the early
spring, continue on throughout

2304
02:09:21,410 --> 02:09:24,010
our fiscal year which ends June 30th.

2305
02:09:24,077 --> 02:09:26,768
So a lot of these we're going to see
on here, you're going to say,

2306
02:09:26,835 --> 02:09:29,266
isn't that road already done or isn't
this project already done?

2307
02:09:29,333 --> 02:09:32,663
It is, it was just still working on
and uh, incompletion

2308
02:09:32,730 --> 02:09:35,122
in July.

2309
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:37,697
So this is a lot of the projects that
started in July.

2310
02:09:37,806 --> 02:09:40,774
Um, if you look at our general fund,
this is actually relatively small.

2311
02:09:40,854 --> 02:09:45,593
Um, you see the federal grant that we
had budget for for our police

2312
02:09:45,660 --> 02:09:48,608
fee uh vessel, we have not received
that money yet.

2313
02:09:48,678 --> 02:09:51,069
That is obviously coming in the
general fund and then transferring
out.

2314
02:09:51,136 --> 02:09:53,464
So it's a quick in and out process.

2315
02:09:53,834 --> 02:09:57,064
Um, we also have the federal grants
for our kite lighting that we did

2316
02:09:57,131 --> 02:09:59,462
at uh Kite Park for our municipal
lightings that is 81,435

2317
02:09:59,529 --> 02:10:03,975
that we've not received through the
DNR through our closeout.

2318
02:10:04,415 --> 02:10:08,575
that is just the final billing that
we will be receiving.

2319
02:10:08,642 --> 02:10:13,601
And then the final project or the
final item that is on there

2320
02:10:13,668 --> 02:10:17,115
is once again another kind of in and
out.

2321
02:10:17,235 --> 02:10:19,986
Uh, it is our state grant for the
passport grant that we received

2322
02:10:20,053 --> 02:10:21,754
for our ADA bathrooms at our Civic
Center.

2323
02:10:21,821 --> 02:10:23,962
That was a $150,000 grant.

2324
02:10:24,029 --> 02:10:26,011
And then obviously, the offset for
our expenses that we have

2325
02:10:26,078 --> 02:10:28,069
budgeted for the 200,000.

2326
02:10:28,136 --> 02:10:31,307
Um, I know that is in the
professionals and that will be

2327
02:10:31,374 --> 02:10:34,134
going out to bid here relatively
soon.

2328
02:10:34,201 --> 02:10:37,991
But all the paperwork and everything
is in through,

2329
02:10:38,058 --> 02:10:41,938
um, the rec passport grant and that
will be progressing,

2330
02:10:42,005 --> 02:10:43,347
but once again that is transferring
over.

2331
02:10:43,414 --> 02:10:45,535
So, that is the general fund,

2332
02:10:45,602 --> 02:10:49,662
um, and then we wanted to, do you
have any questions over

2333
02:10:49,729 --> 02:10:51,930
the general fund or do you want me
just to kind of continue on through

2334
02:10:51,997 --> 02:10:53,139
each one and then ask questions.

2335
02:10:53,206 --> 02:10:54,618
Yeah. Make it through them.

2336
02:10:54,685 --> 02:10:59,614
So then the uh major street find
expenditures, as you can kind of see,

2337
02:10:59,681 --> 02:11:03,761
uh the large one that is in here is
our bridge uh design inspections.

2338
02:11:03,828 --> 02:11:06,998
Once again, this is the construct
over the Milk River.

2339
02:11:07,065 --> 02:11:10,026
Uh our local streets, the big one
here was the Playview reconstruction.

2340
02:11:10,093 --> 02:11:14,522
Um, and then you also have the other
large one here is the Bry's Park

2341
02:11:14,589 --> 02:11:18,619
Walking Path that the bid came back a
little bit high. We are re-bidding

2342
02:11:18,686 --> 02:11:21,916
that project out and seeing where
that price comes in, but we are

2343
02:11:21,983 --> 02:11:24,314
carrying over that money that was
budgeted.

2344
02:11:24,381 --> 02:11:28,411
Uh, the local street mileage, um,
that is the alley pavement.

2345
02:11:28,478 --> 02:11:32,408
Those alleys are progressing. This is
a small portion, as you guys are well

2346
02:11:32,475 --> 02:11:36,105
aware. We budget at 600,000. This is
the $53,000 closeout.

2347
02:11:36,172 --> 02:11:39,712
Uh, Shady Lane, same thing. Uh,
that's a big one in there.

2348
02:11:39,779 --> 02:11:44,008
Uh, DLEF, these were for the uh, new
lockers and file storage

2349
02:11:44,075 --> 02:11:48,305
that are actually in the facility
now. Once again, like I said, a lot
of these

2350
02:11:48,372 --> 02:11:52,961
are already uh, have been purchased.
They just didn't hit for the fiscal
year.

2351
02:11:53,028 --> 02:11:57,058
Um, for the library, you got the
federal grants, uh, the library

2352
02:11:57,125 --> 02:12:00,955
renovations, and then you have the
library renovations that are very

2353
02:12:01,022 --> 02:12:03,183
near completed. I'm very happy to
press

2354
02:12:03,250 --> 02:12:07,280
that our open house for the library
building would be October 3rd. So
then

2355
02:12:07,347 --> 02:12:08,915
we'll be open to the public.

2356
02:12:09,475 --> 02:12:13,505
Um, we have our golf course
expenditures. This was for the

2357
02:12:13,572 --> 02:12:17,801
golf cart path rehab. Uh, there is a
little portion that they are still

2358
02:12:17,868 --> 02:12:21,798
uh, kind of working with uh, Best and
AEW.

2359
02:12:21,865 --> 02:12:24,995
And then you have our sewer, uh,
separation project.

2360
02:12:25,062 --> 02:12:28,992
Uh, you have this is the Alexander,
uh, separation project.

2361
02:12:29,059 --> 02:12:32,956
And then that part right there, the
separation is completed.

2362
02:12:33,056 --> 02:12:36,087
The pipe is in, they will be working
on the road, uh, at

2363
02:12:36,154 --> 02:12:37,722
the end of this month.

2364
02:12:38,262 --> 02:12:42,292
Um, you have some sanitary sewer
lining projects and then under

2365
02:12:42,359 --> 02:12:43,601
the water fund,

2366
02:12:43,668 --> 02:12:47,098
you have uh, some concrete patching,
a little bit of closeout there.

2367
02:12:47,165 --> 02:12:50,295
Uh, the water meter replacement that
we're continually working on.

2368
02:12:50,362 --> 02:12:53,193
The water reservoir generator
install.

2369
02:12:53,260 --> 02:12:56,890
Uh, the Alexander water main project,
and then 12 mile,

2370
02:12:56,957 --> 02:12:58,526
uh, water main project.

2371
02:12:58,785 --> 02:13:02,702
So, uh, these are all just to carry,
oh, I'm sorry, one more page.

2372
02:13:03,352 --> 02:13:07,182
Um, we have storm water funds, uh,
same thing, a little bit of

2373
02:13:07,249 --> 02:13:11,278
concrete patching that we're left.
The Alger pump station generator

2374
02:13:11,345 --> 02:13:13,577
install. Uh, a little bit of sewer
grouting.

2375
02:13:13,644 --> 02:13:16,974
And then under the motor pool, these
are some of the vehicles

2376
02:13:17,041 --> 02:13:20,571
that we've purchased. Um,
unfortunately, it takes ambulance

2377
02:13:20,638 --> 02:13:21,670
now quite a little bit to receive.

2378
02:13:21,737 --> 02:13:26,783
Uh, same thing with the 2020, sorry,
2025 light rescue truck.

2379
02:13:27,582 --> 02:13:30,613
Uh, the place vessel that's gone back
to the boat that we

2380
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:35,376
received. Um, and then the DLEFs that
we just purchased, um, recently.

2381
02:13:37,145 --> 02:13:40,975
And then we also have the BSNA
upgrades as council just approved,

2382
02:13:41,042 --> 02:13:44,871
and then we have a few computer
upgrades that we're still finishing

2383
02:13:44,938 --> 02:13:48,169
up at, and those were mostly done at
the police building that still

2384
02:13:48,236 --> 02:13:49,468
haven't been transferred over yet.

2385
02:13:49,535 --> 02:13:56,529
Mr. Keren?

2386
02:14:50,556 --> 02:14:54,653
Um, yeah, first, great job in terms
of the general fund

2387
02:15:03,905 --> 02:15:05,757
looking at how we can rebid it to

2388
02:15:05,824 --> 02:15:06,996
hopefully get more people. Which

2389
02:15:07,063 --> 02:15:08,245
one was that project.

2390
02:15:08,312 --> 02:15:09,544
This is for both of them.

2391
02:15:09,611 --> 02:15:11,842
They were bit together as as a
package.

2392
02:15:11,909 --> 02:15:13,041
Okay.

2393
02:15:13,108 --> 02:15:14,440
Interesting.

2394
02:15:14,727 --> 02:15:15,589
Hmm.

2395
02:15:15,656 --> 02:15:22,650
So what's the uh timeline in terms of
reconsidering those designs and

2396
02:15:22,950 --> 02:15:25,461
Once we have the approval of the
carryover then we're going to move

2397
02:15:25,528 --> 02:15:27,829
forward with, you know, our next
steps.

2398
02:15:27,896 --> 02:15:28,729
Okay.

2399
02:15:28,796 --> 02:15:31,140
So where are the steps to kind of get
to kind of get to where we're going
to have something

2400
02:15:31,207 --> 02:15:33,536
that people would be interested in
because

2401
02:15:34,775 --> 02:15:38,362
I think it's kind of shocking that
we're any bids.

2402
02:15:38,561 --> 02:15:42,239
for large projects like that and
especially for like insol and
generator.

2403
02:15:43,368 --> 02:15:46,578
Yeah, we're we're meeting with
Fishback there, the engineers that
are helping

2404
02:15:46,645 --> 02:15:48,876
us uh put this together.

2405
02:15:48,943 --> 02:15:51,171
Okay. All right. Thank you.

2406
02:15:51,281 --> 02:15:52,114
Ms. Rusey.

2407
02:15:52,181 --> 02:15:53,014
Thank you.

2408
02:15:53,081 --> 02:15:55,255
Um, just a couple minor things.

2409
02:15:55,322 --> 02:15:56,754
Um, you might want to check with uh
John.

2410
02:15:56,821 --> 02:16:00,521
I assume this is just a function of
rounding, but I'm not sure.

2411
02:16:00,588 --> 02:16:03,678
There's a, I did the, I went through
and I double-checked the math.

2412
02:16:03,745 --> 02:16:06,876
There's a dollar discrepancy in the
sewer-funded expenditures.

2413
02:16:06,943 --> 02:16:10,280
It trended 255 and 72 uh 54.

2414
02:16:10,920 --> 02:16:12,941
And again, could it just be a
function of rounding? I don't know.

2415
02:16:13,008 --> 02:16:14,789
We're dealing with whole numbers
here.

2416
02:16:14,856 --> 02:16:17,737
And uh also storm water funds, the
expenditures are also,

2417
02:16:17,804 --> 02:16:21,664
there's another dollar that's been uh
discrepancy.

2418
02:16:21,731 --> 02:16:24,352
It should end at 847, 7848,

2419
02:16:24,419 --> 02:16:26,030
which then brings the actual.

2420
02:16:26,097 --> 02:16:27,229
And the funny thing is the

2421
02:16:27,296 --> 02:16:30,727
expenditures is actually a dollar off
too for the total amount to 806

2422
02:16:30,794 --> 02:16:34,244
for the total to be 045.

2423
02:16:34,311 --> 02:16:36,122
So again, just little dollar
discrepancies.

2424
02:16:36,189 --> 02:16:38,570
My assumption is it's a function of
rounding, but

2425
02:16:38,637 --> 02:16:39,560
It is.

2426
02:16:39,627 --> 02:16:40,460
Um, okay.

2427
02:16:40,527 --> 02:16:41,360
Pretty good.

2428
02:16:41,427 --> 02:16:42,492
Thank you.

2429
02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:43,951
just minor, but

2430
02:16:44,018 --> 02:16:45,880
I always look at the last digits and
I see if they made sense

2431
02:16:45,947 --> 02:16:47,878
with what the total is.

2432
02:16:47,945 --> 02:16:50,776
And when it's 294 and it adds up to
15, the last number

2433
02:16:50,843 --> 02:16:52,674
doesn't end in a five, ends with a
four, it's like, okay,

2434
02:16:52,741 --> 02:16:55,189
something's off here.

2435
02:16:55,659 --> 02:16:57,198
So, I always eyeball them.

2436
02:16:57,567 --> 02:16:58,899
Okay. Thank you.

2437
02:16:59,376 --> 02:17:00,418
Mr. Vitali.

2438
02:17:00,485 --> 02:17:02,466
Um, I'm only going to mention this
not in relation to budget

2439
02:17:02,533 --> 02:17:04,894
amendment, but

2440
02:17:04,961 --> 02:17:07,879
since Aldeline uh pump station was
brought up,

2441
02:17:07,989 --> 02:17:11,459
I'm going to ask, is that building
going to receive

2442
02:17:11,526 --> 02:17:14,756
any type of update or anything?

2443
02:17:14,823 --> 02:17:17,364
I'm told the roof there holds holding
water.

2444
02:17:17,431 --> 02:17:19,453
There are some trees that are like
really too close to the building,

2445
02:17:19,520 --> 02:17:20,852
undermining it.

2446
02:17:20,919 --> 02:17:24,379
It really needs, it's looks pretty
shabby.

2447
02:17:24,446 --> 02:17:27,047
There are some building improvements
that we included with the project.

2448
02:17:27,114 --> 02:17:27,947
Okay, good.

2449
02:17:28,014 --> 02:17:29,179
Could I could I see those?

2450
02:17:29,246 --> 02:17:31,667
Could I get sent copy of that?

2451
02:17:31,734 --> 02:17:33,113
Sure. All right, thank you.

2452
02:17:33,722 --> 02:17:34,744
We'll need a motion to approve.

2453
02:17:34,811 --> 02:17:36,053
Move to approve.

2454
02:17:36,120 --> 02:17:36,953
report.

2455
02:17:37,020 --> 02:17:39,271
Moved by Mr. Frederick, supported by
Mr. Karen to approve the fiscal

2456
02:17:39,338 --> 02:17:42,475
year 2026-27 carryover request as
presented.

2457
02:17:42,542 --> 02:17:43,375
All in favor?

2458
02:17:43,442 --> 02:17:44,275
I.

2459
02:17:44,342 --> 02:17:45,175
All opposed.

2460
02:17:45,242 --> 02:17:46,824
7 to zero. Thank you.

2461
02:17:48,882 --> 02:17:51,623
Fritz contract purchase order request
to approve the sanitary

2462
02:17:51,690 --> 02:17:55,697
sewer root control project, Mr.
Babcock DPW director.

2463
02:17:56,406 --> 02:17:58,717
So we have an annual maintenance
program on our sanitary

2464
02:17:58,784 --> 02:18:00,766
sewer system where we go throughout
the city

2465
02:18:00,833 --> 02:18:03,313
and we clean and then televise our
sanitary sewers,

2466
02:18:03,380 --> 02:18:05,312
and there are some sections of sewers

2467
02:18:05,379 --> 02:18:08,110
that have extensive tree roots in
them. So this is part of our

2468
02:18:08,177 --> 02:18:11,424
maintenance program.

2469
02:18:14,382 --> 02:18:16,803
Um, and we are requesting approval to
move forward with this

2470
02:18:16,870 --> 02:18:21,356
uh sanitary sewer root treatment
project.

2471
02:18:22,795 --> 02:18:24,613
Anyone out to bid, right?

2472
02:18:25,133 --> 02:18:27,294
Last year, we went out to bid. This
is proposing the

2473
02:18:27,361 --> 02:18:30,192
HGAC buy program that we use the unit
prices because when we went out

2474
02:18:30,259 --> 02:18:33,307
to bid,

2475
02:18:33,766 --> 02:18:36,787
Um, the bidder, we received one bid,
and the bidder's unit prices were

2476
02:18:36,854 --> 02:18:39,285
higher than through this program.

2477
02:18:39,352 --> 02:18:42,792
So we're requesting to use the lower
unit prices through this project.

2478
02:18:42,859 --> 02:18:43,891
Which is the cooperative bid program.

2479
02:18:43,958 --> 02:18:44,791
Yes.

2480
02:18:44,858 --> 02:18:45,910
Questions?

2481
02:18:45,977 --> 02:18:46,810
Ms. Rusey.

2482
02:18:46,877 --> 02:18:47,710
Thank you.

2483
02:18:47,777 --> 02:18:50,308
Um, issue with the purchase order.

2484
02:18:50,648 --> 02:18:53,288
where it says check if applicable, he
put other contract to where a

2485
02:18:53,355 --> 02:18:56,436
blanket purchase order approved at
the this council meeting.

2486
02:18:56,503 --> 02:18:58,784
It should have the chart mark at
other entity bid if we're doing a

2487
02:18:58,851 --> 02:19:01,132
co-op and we're getting the pricing
through co-op,

2488
02:19:01,199 --> 02:19:03,780
which it doesn't say the HGAC co-op
pricing is

2489
02:19:03,847 --> 02:19:06,575
what we're utilizing.

2490
02:19:06,895 --> 02:19:10,225
So the purchase order needs to be
updated to properly reflect that.

2491
02:19:10,292 --> 02:19:12,673
And also just, I guess, a procedural
question given

2492
02:19:12,740 --> 02:19:16,350
the recommended motion is to approve
the blanket purchase order.

2493
02:19:16,417 --> 02:19:18,268
But in the blanket purchase order, it
says contract award a blanket

2494
02:19:18,335 --> 02:19:20,217
purchase order approved.

2495
02:19:20,284 --> 02:19:23,431
So should the motion also state where
we're in a contract?

2496
02:19:23,780 --> 02:19:24,613
Yes.

2497
02:19:24,680 --> 02:19:26,012
Okay, it doesn't right now.

2498
02:19:26,079 --> 02:19:27,761
So whoever makes the motion, it's
not, and if they read it, it's not

2499
02:19:27,828 --> 02:19:29,260
just a blanket purchase or

2500
02:19:29,327 --> 02:19:34,073
we're approving on contract in
addition to the blanket PO.

2501
02:19:34,403 --> 02:19:35,635
Okay. Thank you.

2502
02:19:35,702 --> 02:19:36,894
Mr. Vitali.

2503
02:19:36,961 --> 02:19:39,152
I'm just going to comment kind of on
the same thing I asked about the

2504
02:19:39,219 --> 02:19:41,467
pump station.

2505
02:19:41,747 --> 02:19:44,248
I'm still waiting to see some of
those photos of tree roots in the

2506
02:19:44,315 --> 02:19:46,196
sewer system because honestly,

2507
02:19:46,263 --> 02:19:48,744
I'd like to bring that up during
council comments, so residents can

2508
02:19:48,811 --> 02:19:51,959
see what we're doing

2509
02:19:52,588 --> 02:19:57,147
And I feel like I last time I asked,
I wore snow boots in here so

2510
02:19:57,214 --> 02:20:01,441
We uh, we have been meeting and
discussing that, that's in the works.

2511
02:20:01,651 --> 02:20:04,409
to have a presentation put together
for you.

2512
02:20:04,498 --> 02:20:05,830
Okay.

2513
02:20:06,247 --> 02:20:07,179
you know, if you can't do a
presentation

2514
02:20:07,246 --> 02:20:09,278
tional. I'll take a picture.

2515
02:20:09,345 --> 02:20:11,233
Yeah, it'll be a report.

2516
02:20:11,343 --> 02:20:12,675
Okay.

2517
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:16,012
Miss Burgess.

2518
02:20:16,079 --> 02:20:18,310
Um, I, same kind of lines that uh,

2519
02:20:18,377 --> 02:20:20,855
Mr. Vitelli had mentioned um.

2520
02:20:21,145 --> 02:20:23,873
How do we track the areas that

2521
02:20:24,233 --> 02:20:26,224
receive root treatments to determine

2522
02:20:26,291 --> 02:20:27,893
how effective and how long it lasts?

2523
02:20:27,960 --> 02:20:31,217
And how how long does it usually
last?

2524
02:20:31,307 --> 02:20:35,237
They it it's needs to be retreated

2525
02:20:35,304 --> 02:20:36,137
every like three to five years.

2526
02:20:36,204 --> 02:20:39,338
So we do keep a running list of the
locations we've been to.

2527
02:20:39,405 --> 02:20:41,156
And you know, within that three to
five years,

2528
02:20:41,223 --> 02:20:43,184
we try to return and retreat them
again.

2529
02:20:43,251 --> 02:20:46,262
And we've used cameras to go back and
confirm, you know, that the

2530
02:20:46,329 --> 02:20:47,828
treatment is working.

2531
02:20:48,537 --> 02:20:49,370
So we have pictures.

2532
02:20:49,437 --> 02:20:50,768
Yes.

2533
02:20:51,535 --> 02:20:52,867
What was only?

2534
02:20:53,393 --> 02:20:54,715
Mr. Rabello.

2535
02:20:54,782 --> 02:20:57,213
Brian, how many uh bids did you get

2536
02:20:57,280 --> 02:20:58,113
on this?

2537
02:20:58,180 --> 02:20:59,013
Did you say one?

2538
02:20:59,080 --> 02:20:59,913
Just the one last year.

2539
02:20:59,980 --> 02:21:01,055
Okay.

2540
02:21:01,122 --> 02:21:02,961
Now, this next question would be for
Matt.

2541
02:21:04,030 --> 02:21:05,362
Matt.

2542
02:21:05,479 --> 02:21:08,389
I've probably mentioned, I don't
know,

2543
02:21:08,456 --> 02:21:11,207
I guess could be for the the city
manager to,

2544
02:21:11,274 --> 02:21:13,932
I probably mentioned three or four
times up here.

2545
02:21:14,411 --> 02:21:16,283
that to check out new ways

2546
02:21:16,350 --> 02:21:17,832
to get bids,

2547
02:21:17,899 --> 02:21:18,901
Okay.

2548
02:21:18,968 --> 02:21:21,616
Did you check out the alternative
way?

2549
02:21:25,662 --> 02:21:26,951
to get new bids?

2550
02:21:27,018 --> 02:21:27,851
What's that?

2551
02:21:27,918 --> 02:21:29,273
They didn't bid this out this year.

2552
02:21:29,340 --> 02:21:31,168
They didn't try. They wanted it just
to go with co-op.

2553
02:21:31,235 --> 02:21:32,068
I was going to be

2554
02:21:32,135 --> 02:21:34,399
Okay, but you know what, thank you,
but it really

2555
02:21:34,466 --> 02:21:35,668
doesn't matter, because the

2556
02:21:35,735 --> 02:21:37,344
next time around

2557
02:21:38,353 --> 02:21:40,185
Is there, are we doing anything

2558
02:21:40,252 --> 02:21:41,484
to get the different bids

2559
02:21:41,551 --> 02:21:43,182
from the the government agencies?

2560
02:21:43,249 --> 02:21:45,431
Like on a total national

2561
02:21:45,498 --> 02:21:46,550
spectrum.

2562
02:21:46,617 --> 02:21:48,245
Yeah, so if you can see

2563
02:21:49,275 --> 02:21:51,366
I'm bringing this up again because I
never did get an answer.

2564
02:21:51,433 --> 02:21:52,266
That's all.

2565
02:21:52,333 --> 02:21:53,755
So, uh, Council, as you can see,

2566
02:21:53,822 --> 02:21:54,664
obviously, during COVID,

2567
02:21:54,731 --> 02:21:56,123
it was hard and we were try like

2568
02:21:56,190 --> 02:21:57,292
everything that was out there,

2569
02:21:57,359 --> 02:21:59,001
there were so many jobs that were out
there.

2570
02:21:59,068 --> 02:22:02,028
A lot of these are construction
companies and they were just

2571
02:22:02,095 --> 02:22:05,545
overworked at that time because of
the ARPA funds and everything.

2572
02:22:05,612 --> 02:22:07,934
At when we go out to bid recently,

2573
02:22:08,001 --> 02:22:10,112
you kind of start to see even with
our road projects,

2574
02:22:10,179 --> 02:22:12,510
we're getting 12, 14, 15 bids

2575
02:22:12,577 --> 02:22:13,949
for a lot of these projects

2576
02:22:14,016 --> 02:22:15,767
because this all the municipalities

2577
02:22:15,834 --> 02:22:18,195
used that same bid network

2578
02:22:18,262 --> 02:22:19,794
that is out there,

2579
02:22:19,861 --> 02:22:21,023
and that's what they all use now.

2580
02:22:21,090 --> 02:22:22,112
This what you're asking for here,

2581
02:22:22,179 --> 02:22:23,861
This is a little bit unique.

2582
02:22:23,928 --> 02:22:27,038
This is sanitary sewer clean and
televising. There's not

2583
02:22:27,105 --> 02:22:28,697
too many companies that actually

2584
02:22:28,764 --> 02:22:30,436
have the finite work that's

2585
02:22:30,503 --> 02:22:32,334
required to be able to go in

2586
02:22:32,401 --> 02:22:33,783
and do this work.

2587
02:22:33,850 --> 02:22:38,456
If you remember last year we used the
HGAC program

2588
02:22:38,946 --> 02:22:40,987
and we got our prices back from that.

2589
02:22:41,054 --> 02:22:44,724
Council then decided, let's not use
that purchase program that

2590
02:22:44,791 --> 02:22:46,233
we purchased through. Let's go out to
bid.

2591
02:22:46,300 --> 02:22:49,300
We then went out to bid and we only
got the one provider

2592
02:22:49,367 --> 02:22:50,939
which is Dukes. They've actually

2593
02:22:51,006 --> 02:22:52,768
bought up a lot of these smaller
companies that did it

2594
02:22:52,835 --> 02:22:54,376
and they hire them, they still

2595
02:22:54,443 --> 02:22:56,445
work now underneath Dukes.

2596
02:22:56,512 --> 02:22:59,532
Um, and Duke thing came back with a
higher price than what

2597
02:22:59,599 --> 02:23:01,491
was the HGAC price.

2598
02:23:01,558 --> 02:23:02,410
Okay.

2599
02:23:02,477 --> 02:23:04,598
So we reached out to Dukes and we
said, why are our prices

2600
02:23:04,665 --> 02:23:06,337
higher than what this? When they

2601
02:23:06,404 --> 02:23:09,384
bid for some of these large big
consorciums, they have to

2602
02:23:09,451 --> 02:23:11,493
promise that is going to be the
lowest bid that they will give

2603
02:23:11,560 --> 02:23:13,531
out through any of their bid
programs.

2604
02:23:13,598 --> 02:23:18,047
So if people aren't paying into that
to get the better discount,

2605
02:23:18,114 --> 02:23:20,745
then they cannot give you based on a
bid.

2606
02:23:20,812 --> 02:23:22,274
However, we did reach out to

2607
02:23:22,341 --> 02:23:24,502
Dukes and we said, hey, last year,

2608
02:23:24,569 --> 02:23:26,651
um, we are a paying member.

2609
02:23:26,718 --> 02:23:29,188
Can we get the low HGAC price?

2610
02:23:29,255 --> 02:23:30,987
They held the price last year.

2611
02:23:31,054 --> 02:23:34,045
So this year, rather than going
through the uh,

2612
02:23:34,112 --> 02:23:35,893
bid process again, knowing

2613
02:23:35,960 --> 02:23:37,722
what the results are going to be,

2614
02:23:37,789 --> 02:23:40,040
We are utilizing the HGAC.

2615
02:23:40,107 --> 02:23:41,449
This is a little bit unique,

2616
02:23:41,516 --> 02:23:44,466
uh, and there's also other big
consortiums that we used to.

2617
02:23:44,533 --> 02:23:47,534
These do get bid out through the
consortium. It's a large,

2618
02:23:47,601 --> 02:23:50,242
a lot of municipalities pay into
these consortiums.

2619
02:23:50,309 --> 02:23:52,170
So it goes out nationwide

2620
02:23:52,237 --> 02:23:56,766
and then you can piggyback off to get
the lowest national price.

2621
02:23:56,833 --> 02:23:58,525
And this is a national firm,

2622
02:23:58,592 --> 02:24:00,433
like I said, there's very unique

2623
02:24:00,500 --> 02:24:03,391
kind of company that goes through and
does sewer inspections.

2624
02:24:03,458 --> 02:24:07,158
I guess my point of even saying
something that these

2625
02:24:07,225 --> 02:24:09,786
bids and stuff, Brian might have
something coming up.

2626
02:24:09,853 --> 02:24:11,305
It could be somebody else,

2627
02:24:11,372 --> 02:24:13,603
could be Parks and Rec.

2628
02:24:13,670 --> 02:24:15,521
And I just, when I asked the
questions,

2629
02:24:15,588 --> 02:24:17,380
Now, that's great. I got an answer.

2630
02:24:17,447 --> 02:24:20,318
But it's a lot easier and smoother if
someone just

2631
02:24:20,385 --> 02:24:22,806
lets me know, like an email

2632
02:24:22,873 --> 02:24:25,314
going forward that this isn't

2633
02:24:25,381 --> 02:24:27,998
a, this isn't a feasible thing.

2634
02:24:28,068 --> 02:24:30,519
Because just a question.

2635
02:24:30,586 --> 02:24:32,977
And sometimes you win on them.

2636
02:24:33,044 --> 02:24:34,983
So, thank you for the answer up here.

2637
02:24:35,050 --> 02:24:35,883
Thank you.

2638
02:24:35,950 --> 02:24:36,835
You're welcome.

2639
02:24:36,902 --> 02:24:38,224
So, a motion to be in order?

2640
02:24:38,291 --> 02:24:39,124
Moved to approve.

2641
02:24:39,191 --> 02:24:40,024
Support.

2642
02:24:40,091 --> 02:24:43,451
So you're approving them the amount
with a contract to right.

2643
02:24:43,861 --> 02:24:45,103
Yep.

2644
02:24:45,170 --> 02:24:47,271
The addition by Mr. Karen supported
by Mr. Federick.

2645
02:24:47,338 --> 02:24:48,171
All in favor?

2646
02:24:48,238 --> 02:24:49,071
Aye.

2647
02:24:49,138 --> 02:24:49,971
All opposed.

2648
02:24:50,038 --> 02:24:52,569
7-0. Thank you, Mr. Fedock.

2649
02:24:54,317 --> 02:24:56,948
A D's request to approve a contract
modification for the

2650
02:24:57,015 --> 02:24:58,944
11-mile patching project.

2651
02:24:59,353 --> 02:25:00,535
Denise.

2652
02:25:00,602 --> 02:25:02,071
Kyle from AW.

2653
02:25:03,760 --> 02:25:04,639
Yes.

2654
02:25:04,706 --> 02:25:05,539
Thank you, Mayor.

2655
02:25:05,606 --> 02:25:07,151
Uh, Kyle at AW.

2656
02:25:07,218 --> 02:25:10,016
Uh, April 7th of this year we pool

2657
02:25:10,236 --> 02:25:12,517
publicly bid out the 11 mile patching
project

2658
02:25:12,584 --> 02:25:15,644
between Jefferson and Little Mac.

2659
02:25:15,711 --> 02:25:18,012
Uh, that was awarded to Florence.

2660
02:25:18,079 --> 02:25:21,287
There was seven bidders for that
project on April 28th.

2661
02:25:21,736 --> 02:25:26,563
With contingencies the price awarded
was just under $500,000.

2662
02:25:26,662 --> 02:25:30,402
The city budgeted in fiscal year 27 a
million dollars for this project.

2663
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:33,950
But the budget was approved on April
27th, I believe.

2664
02:25:34,017 --> 02:25:36,165
where you had your public hearing.

2665
02:25:36,515 --> 02:25:39,495
So, the design 11 mile was initiated
in spring.

2666
02:25:39,562 --> 02:25:43,192
with the objective of completing
construction before Lake View schools

2667
02:25:43,259 --> 02:25:46,497
got back into session on August 31st.

2668
02:25:46,846 --> 02:25:48,488
Florence did finish the project

2669
02:25:48,555 --> 02:25:52,692
on August 29th, a couple days before
school started.

2670
02:25:54,840 --> 02:25:58,480
And when we went out there to look at
it really close before the bid,

2671
02:25:58,547 --> 02:26:01,018
we found quite a bit more
deteriorated concrete.

2672
02:26:01,085 --> 02:26:04,075
We also found that every single
structure was shot.

2673
02:26:04,142 --> 02:26:07,073
I put some pictures in of the
structures.

2674
02:26:07,140 --> 02:26:10,800
We had to replace 35 structures in
this whole project.

2675
02:26:10,867 --> 02:26:12,968
This is between both phases.

2676
02:26:13,035 --> 02:26:16,363
So the phase in I don't have the
exact breakout in phase one and two.

2677
02:26:17,002 --> 02:26:20,462
Uh, but due to the ongoing
construction on Jefferson,

2678
02:26:20,529 --> 02:26:22,860
as you know the Jefferson relief is
being constructed there,

2679
02:26:22,927 --> 02:26:26,358
part of the detour of Jefferson
actually runs down 11 mile.

2680
02:26:26,425 --> 02:26:29,955
It runs from Jefferson to Harper on
the westbound lane

2681
02:26:30,022 --> 02:26:33,852
and then just west of Harper to the
turnaround

2682
02:26:33,919 --> 02:26:37,219
and then heads east to Harper
southbound.

2683
02:26:37,286 --> 02:26:40,346
We with discussion with the city,

2684
02:26:40,413 --> 02:26:44,343
we asked the city through the city
manager to defer that work

2685
02:26:44,410 --> 02:26:47,131
to fiscal year 28 so we didn't impact
the detour route.

2686
02:26:47,198 --> 02:26:51,338
And patching programs in a Boulevard
street, you need to occupy one

2687
02:26:51,405 --> 02:26:54,435
with your construction, one lane with
your construction equipment.

2688
02:26:54,502 --> 02:26:57,433
And there's times where you actually
have to remove the concrete

2689
02:26:57,500 --> 02:27:00,817
from the drive lanes, which causes
long delays.

2690
02:27:00,957 --> 02:27:02,429
So if we would have had that,

2691
02:27:02,496 --> 02:27:05,926
we would have been putting a detour
route into another construction zone

2692
02:27:05,993 --> 02:27:08,923
for people could be waiting up to 15
minutes for a concrete truck

2693
02:27:08,990 --> 02:27:10,782
to pour its concrete.

2694
02:27:10,849 --> 02:27:15,066
or to remove or to remove the
concrete.

2695
02:27:16,095 --> 02:27:19,315
Um, like I said, we added quite a few
catch basins after the bid.

2696
02:27:19,382 --> 02:27:23,312
Uh, the project cost, which was
approved by council, was

2697
02:27:23,379 --> 02:27:26,689
just under $500,000 with
contingencies.

2698
02:27:26,756 --> 02:27:30,906
Based on the additional concrete
work, catch basins,

2699
02:27:30,973 --> 02:27:37,141
the project is $120,000 over the
initial bid with contingencies.

2700
02:27:37,208 --> 02:27:40,308
This project was budgeted for a
million dollars.

2701
02:27:40,375 --> 02:27:46,154
The the total for this fiscal year 27
work would be $620,000.

2702
02:27:46,221 --> 02:27:49,291
And we're asking that the additional
work, which is about

2703
02:27:49,358 --> 02:27:52,289
420, slightly over the million
dollars total,

2704
02:27:52,356 --> 02:27:54,727
be deferred to fiscal year 28

2705
02:27:54,794 --> 02:27:57,385
once Jefferson is completed in August
of sorry,

2706
02:27:57,452 --> 02:28:02,281
August of calendar year 2027,

2707
02:28:02,348 --> 02:28:05,535
so that the rest of the project can
be done.

2708
02:28:05,975 --> 02:28:09,375
Uh, we put a recommendation, we're
asking for, we're asking a council

2709
02:28:09,442 --> 02:28:12,203
approve $100,000 for a fiscal year
27.

2710
02:28:12,270 --> 02:28:13,302
project budget.

2711
02:28:13,369 --> 02:28:19,824
And we're looking for uh looking for
direction on whether we rebid this.

2712
02:28:20,004 --> 02:28:22,565
Uh, phase two in fiscal year 28,

2713
02:28:22,632 --> 02:28:25,972
or we can come back in spring with a
change order from the contractor.

2714
02:28:26,039 --> 02:28:29,459
We did talk to Florence, who's the
contractor, and based on diesel

2715
02:28:29,526 --> 02:28:32,357
prices, he was unable to give a
guarantee that he could hold

2716
02:28:32,424 --> 02:28:35,861
his prices for next August.

2717
02:28:35,941 --> 02:28:40,250
So if we were to if we were to
entertain any contract change order

2718
02:28:40,317 --> 02:28:43,248
with with Florence for that work,

2719
02:28:43,315 --> 02:28:46,246
I'd recommend that we come back in
spring with any prices at that time

2720
02:28:46,313 --> 02:28:48,823
or we could bid it at that time also.

2721
02:28:48,890 --> 02:28:49,723
Mr. Land,

2722
02:28:49,790 --> 02:28:53,340
Yep, I would uh recommend uh council,
um, after what they uh

2723
02:28:53,407 --> 02:28:58,346
AW Kaio had said, um, that we do
rebid this project for the second
part.

2724
02:28:58,413 --> 02:29:01,933
Um, as Kaio had mentioned, there was
a lot of additional work.

2725
02:29:02,000 --> 02:29:04,511
This will be after the Jefferson
project.

2726
02:29:04,578 --> 02:29:06,349
uh, which will incur,

2727
02:29:06,416 --> 02:29:08,698
we want to make sure that project is
completely done.

2728
02:29:08,765 --> 02:29:12,884
That road is open back up before we
shut that down.

2729
02:29:12,951 --> 02:29:16,821
We will also have to work with kind
of the school is not necessarily

2730
02:29:16,888 --> 02:29:19,819
directly impacted, but still we want
to make sure we do this

2731
02:29:19,886 --> 02:29:22,447
when school isn't impacted.

2732
02:29:22,514 --> 02:29:28,289
Um, but also, um, you know, I I think
uh

2733
02:29:28,759 --> 02:29:31,809
as of right now, um I feel that going
out to bid would be the

2734
02:29:31,876 --> 02:29:34,754
the better scenario.

2735
02:29:35,602 --> 02:29:36,435
Mr. Karen?

2736
02:29:36,502 --> 02:29:37,834
Thank you.

2737
02:29:38,431 --> 02:29:41,301
So, the additional 120,000, which is
the bare minimum

2738
02:29:41,368 --> 02:29:43,799
you're requesting tonight,

2739
02:29:43,866 --> 02:29:45,068
that's for work that's already been
done.

2740
02:29:45,135 --> 02:29:45,968
That is correct.

2741
02:29:46,035 --> 02:29:46,868
Right?

2742
02:29:46,935 --> 02:29:49,988
Because of all the additional catch
basins that it get repaired.

2743
02:29:50,055 --> 02:29:52,516
Yes, and the concrete, as
unfortunately this was a street

2744
02:29:52,583 --> 02:29:54,815
kind of sectioning program and as

2745
02:29:54,882 --> 02:29:57,812
we were tearing away some of the
concrete, it just kept crumbling

2746
02:29:57,879 --> 02:29:58,891
with us. Yeah.

2747
02:29:58,958 --> 02:29:59,791
Okay.

2748
02:29:59,858 --> 02:30:06,635
So, were the catch basins inspected
when this was first put together?

2749
02:30:06,835 --> 02:30:10,762
They weren't prior to the bid and the
reason is is because

2750
02:30:10,847 --> 02:30:13,797
the timing of the project and getting
it out for bid.

2751
02:30:13,864 --> 02:30:17,055
Uh, we're working with council's
approved budget,

2752
02:30:17,122 --> 02:30:19,323
right? That this was a planned
project.

2753
02:30:19,390 --> 02:30:23,460
We we started we started the work at
AWW on March 11th

2754
02:30:23,527 --> 02:30:26,424
and we got this out to bid on August
7th.

2755
02:30:27,573 --> 02:30:29,695
April, sorry, April 7th

2756
02:30:29,762 --> 02:30:32,652
and then we recommended the award
shortly thereafter.

2757
02:30:32,719 --> 02:30:35,240
Anytime we're doing any road project,
checking the catch

2758
02:30:35,307 --> 02:30:36,989
basins is normal, isn't it?

2759
02:30:37,056 --> 02:30:38,288
It is. It is.

2760
02:30:38,355 --> 02:30:41,445
But time was of the essence to get
this out to bid.

2761
02:30:41,512 --> 02:30:42,944
So we had to estimate that,

2762
02:30:43,011 --> 02:30:44,193
and we actually went back through the
design.

2763
02:30:44,260 --> 02:30:45,512
That's okay. I'm good.

2764
02:30:45,579 --> 02:30:46,918
Okay, I'm good.

2765
02:30:47,787 --> 02:30:50,138
So, all right. So then, yeah, so
okay, so we have to approve

2766
02:30:50,205 --> 02:30:53,026
120,000 for work that's already been
done.

2767
02:30:53,093 --> 02:30:53,945
Okay.

2768
02:30:54,012 --> 02:30:55,184
Um, but yeah, I would agree

2769
02:30:55,251 --> 02:30:58,512
the balance of the project to rescope
it, rebid it,

2770
02:30:58,579 --> 02:31:00,407
inspect everything.

2771
02:31:01,017 --> 02:31:03,248
Um, we got plenty of time to do that.

2772
02:31:03,315 --> 02:31:06,455
Yes. And that way, because we'll be
done with the other

2773
02:31:06,522 --> 02:31:09,373
work on Jefferson going north,

2774
02:31:09,440 --> 02:31:12,927
and we'll be done the southern end by
August. So,

2775
02:31:13,057 --> 02:31:14,369
Okay. Thank you.

2776
02:31:14,436 --> 02:31:15,269
Miss Rusey.

2777
02:31:15,336 --> 02:31:16,169
Thank you.

2778
02:31:16,236 --> 02:31:18,150
Actually, John, um, asked the
question I was going to ask of

2779
02:31:18,217 --> 02:31:21,018
how, how was this missed? I mean,
this seems like a very

2780
02:31:21,085 --> 02:31:22,866
significant miss.

2781
02:31:22,933 --> 02:31:25,324
I know sometimes you start doing
construction, more work

2782
02:31:25,391 --> 02:31:27,812
reveals itself, and that's completely
understandable.

2783
02:31:27,879 --> 02:31:29,910
but this seems like they were very
significant issues

2784
02:31:29,977 --> 02:31:33,565
that were missed that add up to this
amount of money.

2785
02:31:33,714 --> 02:31:35,736
Yeah. Um, they weren't missed.

2786
02:31:35,803 --> 02:31:36,652
Like I said,

2787
02:31:36,719 --> 02:31:37,564
They just weren't looked for.

2788
02:31:37,631 --> 02:31:40,212
They weren't they weren't looked at
prior to the bid because we

2789
02:31:40,279 --> 02:31:42,810
needed to get the bid out. We looked
at it immediately after the bid.

2790
02:31:42,877 --> 02:31:45,403
I would rather have not done this at
this time than have to

2791
02:31:45,470 --> 02:31:47,806
it and then be in this position of
doing it,

2792
02:31:47,873 --> 02:31:49,899
you know, discovering these things
that or at least be

2793
02:31:49,966 --> 02:31:52,462
made aware of,

2794
02:31:52,529 --> 02:31:55,395
hey, when we um were discussing
putting this project out to bid,

2795
02:31:55,462 --> 02:31:58,727
yeah, we only have all the the the
stuff looked at.

2796
02:31:58,794 --> 02:32:01,495
So it could be more and having that
kind of heads up.

2797
02:32:01,562 --> 02:32:04,388
I think we assume every time a
project comes to us that the

2798
02:32:04,455 --> 02:32:06,978
engineering is done.

2799
02:32:07,487 --> 02:32:09,384
And the design is done and the

2800
02:32:09,451 --> 02:32:12,257
project is going to be what it says.

2801
02:32:12,324 --> 02:32:14,330
Like I said, we all understand
sometimes surprises, but these

2802
02:32:14,397 --> 02:32:16,783
seem to be very predictable
surprises.

2803
02:32:16,850 --> 02:32:18,377
Which means they're not surprises at
all.

2804
02:32:18,444 --> 02:32:21,249
But we weren't just not made aware of
this.

2805
02:32:21,316 --> 02:32:24,277
That there were end cuts or there
were cuts taken in the

2806
02:32:24,344 --> 02:32:26,645
process to speed things along.

2807
02:32:26,712 --> 02:32:28,369
And I'm not a fan of that.

2808
02:32:28,436 --> 02:32:30,472
And now we're in a situation where
I'll vote for this

2809
02:32:30,539 --> 02:32:33,599
because the work has been done, we
have to pay the people who did the
work.

2810
02:32:33,666 --> 02:32:36,862
But it's in a very bad position
because we look, I I don't like

2811
02:32:36,929 --> 02:32:39,360
how this was handled.

2812
02:32:39,427 --> 02:32:41,453
How many more it says,

2813
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:44,356
uh, revealed deterioration more catch
basins along that stretch

2814
02:32:44,423 --> 02:32:46,269
that originally were identified.

2815
02:32:46,336 --> 02:32:48,557
How many were originally identified
if the looking at

2816
02:32:48,624 --> 02:32:51,705
wasn't done, how were they
identified, and then how many

2817
02:32:51,772 --> 02:32:56,346
more catch basins were discovered as
the construction went along?

2818
02:32:56,413 --> 02:32:57,512
So how many did we start with?

2819
02:32:57,579 --> 02:32:58,412
How do we know?

2820
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:00,705
And then how many did we end up with?

2821
02:33:00,825 --> 02:33:02,546
For the for the bid, we estimated
seven of the

2822
02:33:02,613 --> 02:33:05,444
structures and we ended up with 35.

2823
02:33:05,511 --> 02:33:06,405
Oh wow, that's way off.

2824
02:33:06,472 --> 02:33:09,041
So that's what's the basis that
estimate? That estimate was

2825
02:33:09,108 --> 02:33:10,660
way off.

2826
02:33:10,727 --> 02:33:12,638
I can say 10 and it's actually 12 and
it's like, okay,

2827
02:33:12,705 --> 02:33:14,936
that was a pretty good estimate.

2828
02:33:15,003 --> 02:33:17,222
But this estimate is 35.

2829
02:33:17,311 --> 02:33:18,803
a dartboard, basically.

2830
02:33:18,870 --> 02:33:21,171
I mean, I might not even vote for
this, but maybe.

2831
02:33:21,238 --> 02:33:23,310
I mean, that's a that's a bad answer,
I'm sorry.

2832
02:33:23,377 --> 02:33:25,868
So I can't answer, you know,
certainly the questions.

2833
02:33:25,935 --> 02:33:28,476
But as counselor does remember, this
winter was extremely

2834
02:33:28,543 --> 02:33:30,671
challenging on a lot of our roads.

2835
02:33:30,961 --> 02:33:35,020
And, uh, this, you know, obviously
this road right in front of the
school, this came

2836
02:33:35,087 --> 02:33:39,217
in front of council and we're like,
hey, how can we get this project done
because of the

2837
02:33:39,284 --> 02:33:44,732
timeliness of the school and how
dilapidated 11 mile had become
especially between Little Mack and
Harper.

2838
02:33:44,799 --> 02:33:48,509
and it was it was definitely starting
to crumble similar to what we just
did

2839
02:33:48,576 --> 02:33:54,662
from Jefferson north of 11 mile.

2840
02:33:54,971 --> 02:33:58,297
So, uh, we went to our engineering
company and we just said, hey, we
want to get this

2841
02:33:58,364 --> 02:34:01,599
project going, we have to get it out
to bed, we have to get

2842
02:34:01,666 --> 02:34:05,496
the project started so we can be done
before school.

2843
02:34:05,563 --> 02:34:08,493
Because the last thing we want to do
is not allow the buses to be able to
get through and

2844
02:34:08,560 --> 02:34:11,981
have this construction while school
was going on.

2845
02:34:12,048 --> 02:34:14,758
So, I think at that time, I can't
speak what happened with

2846
02:34:14,825 --> 02:34:19,085
the engineering firm, um, outside of
the fact of,

2847
02:34:19,152 --> 02:34:21,483
here's what your roads normally are,
we're going to do an

2848
02:34:21,550 --> 02:34:25,275
estimate because we want to get this
bid out so we can have the road done.

2849
02:34:25,342 --> 02:34:27,678
On the fortunate side, the road did
get done before school

2850
02:34:27,745 --> 02:34:30,796
started as we mentioned just two days
before.

2851
02:34:30,863 --> 02:34:33,473
But the estimate of 7 to 35 was way
off. Now the

2852
02:34:33,540 --> 02:34:36,971
infrastructure was dilapidated.

2853
02:34:37,038 --> 02:34:40,768
Um, and I can't answer for our
engineering firm when it comes to
that, but I will say

2854
02:34:40,835 --> 02:34:45,164
we did put them under the gun to be
able to come up with a project and a
job, to be able

2855
02:34:45,231 --> 02:34:49,061
to bid it out, to be able to have it
done before school and to take a bad
road

2856
02:34:49,128 --> 02:34:52,695
and to get it fixed as soon as
possible.

2857
02:34:53,524 --> 02:34:55,251
We're in a really awful position here
because of that

2858
02:34:55,318 --> 02:34:59,560
and we weren't aware that was going
to happen until the meeting tonight.

2859
02:34:59,749 --> 02:35:00,629
Yeah. And now I will say as well,

2860
02:35:00,696 --> 02:35:03,849
And, you know, I think it's super
cool, we got this done super fast,
that's awesome,

2861
02:35:03,916 --> 02:35:06,742
right, but when you didn't, you left
out, we're going to put

2862
02:35:06,809 --> 02:35:10,011
you under the gun then in September.

2863
02:35:10,594 --> 02:35:13,734
and make you I it's just was not
handled very well and I'm very

2864
02:35:13,801 --> 02:35:14,634
disappointed in this

2865
02:35:14,701 --> 02:35:17,414
especially when I had to ask how many
catch base discrepancy there

2866
02:35:17,481 --> 02:35:20,512
was. 7 to 3.

2867
02:35:20,579 --> 02:35:24,725
I'm glad I asked that question
because here I was thinking it was
two.

2868
02:35:25,075 --> 02:35:27,576
Yeah. That's a lot. That's a lot.

2869
02:35:27,643 --> 02:35:28,765
That is a lot.

2870
02:35:28,832 --> 02:35:32,182
And the engineer, engineering,
whatever engineering was done,

2871
02:35:32,249 --> 02:35:35,560
was done in the spring so it was
after the crappy winter.

2872
02:35:35,627 --> 02:35:38,447
So we all knew, I mean, we sure
assumed the road deteriorate to

2873
02:35:38,514 --> 02:35:41,165
that that we probably, if we were
just assumed, we probably should

2874
02:35:41,232 --> 02:35:43,663
have assumed more than

2875
02:35:43,730 --> 02:35:46,061
seven if that's how much we typically
have because the

2876
02:35:46,128 --> 02:35:49,089
conditions in the winter were so
severe on the road that we had to

2877
02:35:49,156 --> 02:35:50,917
escalate this project.

2878
02:35:50,984 --> 02:35:54,455
So we probably should have estimated
a little bit better given the
conditions of the road

2879
02:35:54,522 --> 02:35:58,032
even if we weren't doing the full
analysis that we usually would do

2880
02:35:58,099 --> 02:36:01,226
if we actually were doing an
analysis, right?

2881
02:36:02,265 --> 02:36:03,547
It's just very frustrating.

2882
02:36:03,614 --> 02:36:04,916
Again, I know the work's been done.

2883
02:36:04,983 --> 02:36:07,434
I feel like I have to approve this,

2884
02:36:07,501 --> 02:36:08,993
but I'm not approving on the process.

2885
02:36:09,060 --> 02:36:12,240
Not at all. I'm approving that we
have workers out there, they did the

2886
02:36:12,307 --> 02:36:13,729
projects.

2887
02:36:13,796 --> 02:36:16,897
But this is I never want to be in a
situation again.

2888
02:36:16,964 --> 02:36:18,296
Okay.

2889
02:36:18,402 --> 02:36:19,235
Sure.

2890
02:36:19,302 --> 02:36:20,135
Uh, Kyle,

2891
02:36:20,202 --> 02:36:24,631
so the these these catch basins, uh,
you estimated seven, right?

2892
02:36:25,071 --> 02:36:26,413
They were already rebid.

2893
02:36:26,480 --> 02:36:28,142
They were already part of the
contract. So

2894
02:36:28,209 --> 02:36:30,240
bit, we had a unit price for all
these crafts.

2895
02:36:30,307 --> 02:36:32,418
So we had so just so we we all
understand.

2896
02:36:32,485 --> 02:36:38,973
I mean, yes, it's more, but you're
using the contract price that they
they bid.

2897
02:36:39,040 --> 02:36:39,873
That's correct.

2898
02:36:39,940 --> 02:36:42,364
Okay, okay. I just I'm totally aware

2899
02:36:42,431 --> 02:36:43,264
I know you are.

2900
02:36:43,331 --> 02:36:45,605
I just want to make sure everybody
else understands that.

2901
02:36:45,672 --> 02:36:48,592
this the seven were part of the bid.
Yes, we've added on to it, but it

2902
02:36:48,659 --> 02:36:53,448
was part of the whole bid. We used
the unit price to do from 7 to 35.

2903
02:36:53,515 --> 02:36:56,616
So that that's I think important that
we make sure we we do that.

2904
02:36:56,683 --> 02:36:59,723
And I think we have to make sure we
understand. We we had to have it

2905
02:36:59,790 --> 02:37:01,222
done with in front of Lake View.

2906
02:37:01,289 --> 02:37:03,250
the road was breaking apart as it

2907
02:37:03,317 --> 02:37:06,068
is on 11 mile as it was on Jefferson.

2908
02:37:06,135 --> 02:37:07,317
And I think we we know that.

2909
02:37:07,384 --> 02:37:09,885
But it's a different issue

2910
02:37:09,952 --> 02:37:15,388
it's when Lake View High School is
sitting right there and we we have
got to get that done.

2911
02:37:15,704 --> 02:37:16,537
Yes, Mr.

2912
02:37:16,604 --> 02:37:19,248
I I'm not saying I know you're not.

2913
02:37:19,315 --> 02:37:20,148
I'm not saying that you are.

2914
02:37:20,215 --> 02:37:22,529
I know, but you're emphasizing Lake
View High School. I'm just

2915
02:37:22,596 --> 02:37:24,847
emphasizing the process should have
been improved.

2916
02:37:24,914 --> 02:37:27,655
It should not have been brought to us
until the process was actually

2917
02:37:27,722 --> 02:37:30,460
done or we should at least been aware
of that.

2918
02:37:30,819 --> 02:37:33,520
And of course, it's unit pricing.
That's what the contract is.

2919
02:37:33,587 --> 02:37:35,079
I know, I just want to make it clear.

2920
02:37:35,146 --> 02:37:38,396
But it's 7 versus 35. That's a lot
different. That's why we had the vote
tonight.

2921
02:37:38,463 --> 02:37:39,296
Sure.

2922
02:37:39,363 --> 02:37:40,565
Mr. Rebello.

2923
02:37:40,632 --> 02:37:44,242
I'm not I'm not going to pile on the
I have the same type of

2924
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:46,090
sentiment.

2925
02:37:46,157 --> 02:37:48,248
I just want to move forward from
here.

2926
02:37:48,315 --> 02:37:50,926
I mean, all of us sort of like, yes,
yes, hurry before school

2927
02:37:50,993 --> 02:37:53,174
starts. Hurry before school starts.

2928
02:37:53,241 --> 02:37:55,520
I think that was the number one
thing. But

2929
02:37:55,710 --> 02:37:58,630
if it can't be done the correct way,

2930
02:37:58,697 --> 02:38:01,798
just let us know the next time going
forward so we can sort of

2931
02:38:01,865 --> 02:38:07,280
make a decision based on on that
information.

2932
02:38:07,400 --> 02:38:11,410
Because yeah, we're hitting with uh
one foot out of the batter's box.

2933
02:38:11,477 --> 02:38:12,729
As they say.

2934
02:38:12,796 --> 02:38:14,268
Now, but these folks did the work.

2935
02:38:14,335 --> 02:38:17,202
So, I'll be voting yes for it.

2936
02:38:17,462 --> 02:38:19,783
But let us know in advance. If she if
it's going to if it's going to

2937
02:38:19,850 --> 02:38:23,247
go sideways. Okay.

2938
02:38:23,447 --> 02:38:24,509
We will deal.

2939
02:38:24,576 --> 02:38:25,908
Mr. Vitali.

2940
02:38:26,445 --> 02:38:29,093
Do you know how many total catch
basins there are?

2941
02:38:30,052 --> 02:38:30,891
I believe there's 35.

2942
02:38:30,958 --> 02:38:33,003
Every single one of them were chat.

2943
02:38:33,070 --> 02:38:35,058
Everyone.

2944
02:38:35,568 --> 02:38:39,797
Okay. 100% is I mean, it's hard to
put 100% of them in the bed.

2945
02:38:39,864 --> 02:38:43,864
I mean, on one hand I can I can say
that, you know, maybe we should have
we should have

2946
02:38:43,931 --> 02:38:46,971
went out and and guessed all of them
would be bad,

2947
02:38:47,038 --> 02:38:50,688
but then of course, the bid would
have been a million dollars more than

2948
02:38:50,755 --> 02:38:53,104
what we were told.

2949
02:38:53,613 --> 02:38:58,152
Um, but I guess if the motion is to
pay the bill that we owe

2950
02:38:58,219 --> 02:39:03,675
and then put it back out in 28 to fix
the rest of them.

2951
02:39:04,704 --> 02:39:05,816
Um, correct.

2952
02:39:05,883 --> 02:39:06,786
That that is essentially the motion.

2953
02:39:06,853 --> 02:39:07,686
Yes.

2954
02:39:07,753 --> 02:39:09,065
Well, there's no motion yet, but

2955
02:39:09,132 --> 02:39:11,473
that the recommendation So I would

2956
02:39:11,540 --> 02:39:16,569
I would make a motion for the
recommendation from staff to

2957
02:39:16,636 --> 02:39:22,544
pay the 120,000 and then include
additional funding in the fiscal year
28 budget

2958
02:39:22,611 --> 02:39:25,641
to complete the work on Westbound 11
Mile.

2959
02:39:25,708 --> 02:39:27,380
and rebid and rebid.

2960
02:39:27,447 --> 02:39:28,280
Move by Mr.

2961
02:39:28,347 --> 02:39:30,289
Cali, supported by Mr. Fed.

2962
02:39:30,559 --> 02:39:31,401
All in favor?

2963
02:39:31,468 --> 02:39:33,272
Aye.

2964
02:39:33,339 --> 02:39:34,411
All.

2965
02:39:34,478 --> 02:39:36,237
Okay, all opposed?

2966
02:39:37,106 --> 02:39:38,138
I said I.

2967
02:39:38,205 --> 02:39:40,756
I know that I there was a moment I
couldn't hear it all down here.

2968
02:39:40,823 --> 02:39:42,595
somebody down here at the table.

2969
02:39:42,662 --> 02:39:43,584
Okay.

2970
02:39:43,651 --> 02:39:46,622
we're just I'm just trying to quite
out loud.

2971
02:39:46,689 --> 02:39:48,230
I know I know I know it's funny.

2972
02:39:48,297 --> 02:39:49,809
But I I'm trying to record it all.

2973
02:39:49,876 --> 02:39:51,568
So apparently 7 to zero.

2974
02:39:51,635 --> 02:39:52,967
Okay, thank you.

2975
02:39:55,142 --> 02:39:58,542
Item 8C is a request to approve the
Great Lakes Water Authority

2976
02:39:58,609 --> 02:40:00,191
contract amendment 5.

2977
02:40:00,258 --> 02:40:01,807
Mr. Babcock.

2978
02:40:03,235 --> 02:40:04,567
Yes.

2979
02:40:04,824 --> 02:40:07,235
So we uh we currently have a 30-year
contract with the Great

2980
02:40:07,302 --> 02:40:11,144
Lakes Water Authority um to purchase
drinking water.

2981
02:40:11,211 --> 02:40:12,513
through uh 2038.

2982
02:40:12,580 --> 02:40:14,012
And currently every four years

2983
02:40:14,079 --> 02:40:18,128
we have the opportunity to uh relook
at that contract and the figures

2984
02:40:18,195 --> 02:40:19,407
within it.

2985
02:40:19,474 --> 02:40:23,054
Um, based on how we're currently
operating our distribution system,

2986
02:40:23,121 --> 02:40:25,552
how much water demand there is in the
city,

2987
02:40:25,619 --> 02:40:27,901
um and we can make an amendment to
that contract.

2988
02:40:27,968 --> 02:40:33,296
So, um, this is a request to approve
contract amendment number five.

2989
02:40:33,363 --> 02:40:36,444
Um, Mr. Lenton and myself met with
the Grelex Water Authority and

2990
02:40:36,511 --> 02:40:40,737
um, reviewed all these figures.

2991
02:40:41,637 --> 02:40:43,228
Mr. Karen, thank you.

2992
02:40:43,295 --> 02:40:46,236
So basically, in terms of like the
two key numbers on here,

2993
02:40:46,303 --> 02:40:49,333
uh, the maximum per day, millions of
gallons per day,

2994
02:40:49,400 --> 02:40:51,312
and peak hour million gallons per
day.

2995
02:40:51,379 --> 02:40:54,529
Those get used to calculate our max
flow rate, which drives

2996
02:40:54,596 --> 02:40:57,004
what Lee will end up charging us,
correct?

2997
02:40:57,071 --> 02:40:57,904
Yes.

2998
02:40:57,971 --> 02:40:59,965
In terms of our proportion of all
their costs.

2999
02:41:00,032 --> 02:41:01,691
And that's what feeds our water
rates.

3000
02:41:01,758 --> 02:41:02,591
Okay.

3001
02:41:02,658 --> 02:41:04,899
So basically, since the numbers are
going down,

3002
02:41:06,837 --> 02:41:09,308
we're still going to pay more because
the rates will still keep

3003
02:41:09,375 --> 02:41:11,943
going up, but it'll be less of an
increase.

3004
02:41:12,373 --> 02:41:14,284
Since the max flow rate should go
down. Yep.

3005
02:41:14,351 --> 02:41:15,820
Next time we calculate. Go.

3006
02:41:17,998 --> 02:41:19,330
Ms. Burgess?

3007
02:41:19,507 --> 02:41:23,507
Um, do we anticipate this uh
amendment having any effect,

3008
02:41:23,574 --> 02:41:25,905
positive or negative

3009
02:41:25,972 --> 02:41:29,003
on what our St. Clair Shores
residents will be ultimately

3010
02:41:29,070 --> 02:41:30,648
paying for water?

3011
02:41:31,078 --> 02:41:35,997
Well, it's been a positive year after
year ever since we started

3012
02:41:36,064 --> 02:41:37,596
operating the storage tank at 10 Mile
and Harper.

3013
02:41:37,663 --> 02:41:42,252
Um, that saves our residents, you
know, over a million dollars a year

3014
02:41:42,319 --> 02:41:43,152
by running that reservoir.

3015
02:41:43,219 --> 02:41:45,693
We filled it in the evening

3016
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:48,441
and we pump the water from it during
the day.

3017
02:41:48,508 --> 02:41:52,987
Um, and that saves us from buying
water that's more costly during

3018
02:41:53,054 --> 02:41:53,987
the day to be pumped to us.

3019
02:41:54,054 --> 02:41:57,584
Um, and we use the water that we put
into the storage tank at night.

3020
02:41:57,651 --> 02:42:00,182
So, yeah, it saves over a million
dollars a year for our residents

3021
02:42:00,249 --> 02:42:01,777
by using that.

3022
02:42:01,844 --> 02:42:02,677
Thank you.

3023
02:42:02,744 --> 02:42:04,285
I wanted the audience to hear that.

3024
02:42:04,515 --> 02:42:05,737
Mr. Telli.

3025
02:42:05,804 --> 02:42:07,636
Um, yeah, I'm going to vote for this

3026
02:42:07,703 --> 02:42:11,872
because this basically is, you know,
updating our infrastructure

3027
02:42:11,939 --> 02:42:17,915
records with GLWA and and that all
makes sense.

3028
02:42:18,114 --> 02:42:22,064
However, I will say that I had a
presentation prepared that I was

3029
02:42:22,131 --> 02:42:26,960
going to do during audience
participation and it'd be great

3030
02:42:27,027 --> 02:42:30,897
to have some people from the state
who could see that.

3031
02:42:30,964 --> 02:42:35,254
That our monopoly water supplier is
advertising and spending

3032
02:42:35,321 --> 02:42:38,751
$200,000 on a rebranding campaign for
something that only

3033
02:42:38,818 --> 02:42:42,448
municipalities can buy anyways, which
we're locked into a

3034
02:42:42,515 --> 02:42:46,195
30-year contract for.

3035
02:42:46,262 --> 02:42:50,741
And they're printing up frisbees and
making YouTube videos

3036
02:42:50,808 --> 02:42:52,710
and it's absolutely ridiculous.

3037
02:42:52,777 --> 02:42:56,137
But because I knew we'd have a lot of
people here for flock tonight,

3038
02:42:56,204 --> 02:42:57,566
I'm not going to go through that all.

3039
02:42:57,633 --> 02:43:00,933
But I do hope I have as many people
watching that and

3040
02:43:01,000 --> 02:43:03,401
some of those people may be in state
government,

3041
02:43:03,468 --> 02:43:06,828
because I'm going to say that this
whole GLWA thing is

3042
02:43:06,895 --> 02:43:11,834
is just failure upon failure.

3043
02:43:11,901 --> 02:43:17,020
They they can't sell enough water to
make their fixed costs,

3044
02:43:17,087 --> 02:43:18,969
so they raise the rates.

3045
02:43:19,036 --> 02:43:20,817
So people conserve water so they
don't sell enough water to

3046
02:43:20,884 --> 02:43:21,906
make their fixed cost.

3047
02:43:21,973 --> 02:43:24,491
It's just I this has got to stop
somewhere.

3048
02:43:25,697 --> 02:43:26,530
So,

3049
02:43:26,597 --> 02:43:29,058
um, so that's my sentiment.

3050
02:43:30,473 --> 02:43:31,306
Mr. Ruse.

3051
02:43:31,373 --> 02:43:35,206
Thank you. Uh John made the point to
address table two already with

3052
02:43:35,273 --> 02:43:36,505
the maximum flow rates, so I'll go to
table three.

3053
02:43:36,572 --> 02:43:40,701
What's the import of the flow rate
assumption changes in uh table

3054
02:43:40,768 --> 02:43:42,437
three on the two to be?

3055
02:43:42,777 --> 02:43:47,795
I compared them to the 2022 um
amendment that we approved and

3056
02:43:47,862 --> 02:43:52,702
they do um address the assumed flow
rates differently between the meters.

3057
02:43:52,769 --> 02:43:57,155
So, what's the the driving force
behind the change?

3058
02:43:57,854 --> 02:44:02,684
Well, we look at basically we have
various feeds throughout the city

3059
02:44:02,751 --> 02:44:05,781
and um this is showing what the split
is of where the water's

3060
02:44:05,848 --> 02:44:08,016
coming from.

3061
02:44:08,456 --> 02:44:11,077
Okay, um and it's changing.

3062
02:44:11,144 --> 02:44:11,977
Yeah.

3063
02:44:12,044 --> 02:44:12,877
Okay.

3064
02:44:12,944 --> 02:44:14,276
That was my question.

3065
02:44:14,873 --> 02:44:16,205
Why?

3066
02:44:17,181 --> 02:44:20,182
Uh, right now the majority of our
water is coming from our

3067
02:44:20,249 --> 02:44:21,967
north connection.

3068
02:44:22,057 --> 02:44:25,577
Um, and the pressures on the south
end,

3069
02:44:25,644 --> 02:44:29,974
um, the water's flowing better from
the north right now, the

3070
02:44:30,041 --> 02:44:34,170
pressures coming from the south end
are not high enough to to push

3071
02:44:34,237 --> 02:44:37,168
into the city currently, but that's,
you know, something we're working

3072
02:44:37,235 --> 02:44:39,376
on with Great Lakes Water Authority.

3073
02:44:39,443 --> 02:44:42,214
Okay, um just to compare SS02 right
now

3074
02:44:42,281 --> 02:44:48,006
in this new amendment's 80 to 100% in
the 2022 when it was 0 to 70.

3075
02:44:48,166 --> 02:44:52,156
Three is now 0 to 5, before it was 45
to 100%, that's when it

3076
02:44:52,223 --> 02:44:53,922
jumped out to me.

3077
02:44:54,221 --> 02:44:59,190
Uh, four is 0 to 10%, 2022 was 0 to
6, so that's not a huge change.

3078
02:44:59,257 --> 02:45:05,016
And for 05, uh now it's 0 to 5% and
2022 it was 0 to 30%.

3079
02:45:05,083 --> 02:45:06,444
So that's another change.

3080
02:45:06,511 --> 02:45:09,429
So I'm just wondering what was
driving the change.

3081
02:45:09,919 --> 02:45:11,251
Okay.

3082
02:45:11,687 --> 02:45:12,520
Thank you.

3083
02:45:12,587 --> 02:45:13,689
Mr. Rebello.

3084
02:45:13,756 --> 02:45:14,589
Yeah.

3085
02:45:14,656 --> 02:45:18,086
It seems we try to beat the water
company's all the time.

3086
02:45:18,153 --> 02:45:20,544
We just can't hit the upper haget.
Thanks.

3087
02:45:20,611 --> 02:45:22,812
And Chris, I think I saw your
Facebook post there.

3088
02:45:22,879 --> 02:45:24,681
There was, was that you? It was
entertaining.

3089
02:45:24,748 --> 02:45:26,150
I have more. I have more now.

3090
02:45:26,217 --> 02:45:28,288
I thought it was entertaining. I I I
read it.

3091
02:45:28,355 --> 02:45:32,452
And it it is, it's it's it's quite
amazing that

3092
02:45:33,091 --> 02:45:36,172
sometimes you think, okay, I'm going
to use less water

3093
02:45:36,239 --> 02:45:39,269
and I'm going to have a lower water
bill, but

3094
02:45:39,336 --> 02:45:43,163
it just catches up with itself
because now

3095
02:45:43,343 --> 02:45:47,413
you're using less water and so now
they have to raise

3096
02:45:47,480 --> 02:45:51,230
the rates to make up for the fixed
cost of the structure,

3097
02:45:51,297 --> 02:45:55,246
the infrastructure and the and the
costs that they're incurring.

3098
02:45:55,313 --> 02:45:59,563
And it really is uh frustrating
because

3099
02:45:59,630 --> 02:46:03,700
we all I think feel the same way
about what goes on.

3100
02:46:03,767 --> 02:46:07,953
And we just can't beat them. There's
no way around it.

3101
02:46:08,233 --> 02:46:09,565
So.

3102
02:46:10,171 --> 02:46:13,489
No fault of yours, Mr. Babcock.

3103
02:46:14,498 --> 02:46:17,029
We need a motion to move forward.

3104
02:46:17,096 --> 02:46:18,178
Move to approve.

3105
02:46:18,245 --> 02:46:19,078
Support.

3106
02:46:19,145 --> 02:46:22,695
Moved by Mr. Karen, supported by Miss
Burgess to approve Amendment

3107
02:46:22,762 --> 02:46:25,423
5 to the water service contract
between Great Lakes Water Authority

3108
02:46:25,490 --> 02:46:26,323
and the City of St. Claire Shores.

3109
02:46:26,390 --> 02:46:27,223
All in favor?

3110
02:46:27,290 --> 02:46:28,123
Aye.

3111
02:46:28,190 --> 02:46:29,522
All opposed?

3112
02:46:29,749 --> 02:46:30,931
7-0 passes. Thank you.

3113
02:46:30,998 --> 02:46:32,330
Thank you.

3114
02:46:33,116 --> 02:46:34,995
Item nine, consent agenda.

3115
02:46:35,344 --> 02:46:36,177
Move to approve.

3116
02:46:36,244 --> 02:46:37,077
Support.

3117
02:46:37,144 --> 02:46:40,224
Moved by Mr. Karen, supported by Mr.
Frederick to approve the

3118
02:46:40,291 --> 02:46:41,234
consent agenda.

3119
02:46:41,301 --> 02:46:42,134
All in favor?

3120
02:46:42,201 --> 02:46:43,034
Aye.

3121
02:46:43,101 --> 02:46:44,433
All opposed?

3122
02:46:44,840 --> 02:46:46,172
Thank you, 7-0.

3123
02:46:46,548 --> 02:46:48,807
Item 10 is updates and follow-up.

3124
02:46:50,515 --> 02:46:51,727
Mr. Light.

3125
02:46:51,794 --> 02:46:53,556
Yes, I'll start with the council
request first.

3126
02:46:53,623 --> 02:46:56,983
Uh, Miss Rucy requested how many in
car police radios have been

3127
02:46:57,050 --> 02:47:01,037
replaced to date as part of the radio
replacement program.

3128
02:47:01,207 --> 02:47:06,313
In 2022, there were 16, 2023, 10, and
then 2025, three.

3129
02:47:06,622 --> 02:47:09,653
Uh, Miss Rucy requested that a date
be scheduled for the

3130
02:47:09,720 --> 02:47:13,067
subcommittee to review the Roseville
code enforcement contract.

3131
02:47:13,137 --> 02:47:15,898
Uh, Denise is setting up a meeting
with the subcommittee to review and

3132
02:47:15,965 --> 02:47:17,037
I believe that has been

3133
02:47:17,104 --> 02:47:18,126
Friday 9th and 23rd.

3134
02:47:18,193 --> 02:47:19,635
September 25th, I'm sorry.

3135
02:47:19,702 --> 02:47:21,293
Friday morning.

3136
02:47:21,360 --> 02:47:22,522
Yes.

3137
02:47:22,589 --> 02:47:24,881
Uh, Miss Rucy and Mr. Vitali
requested an update on the

3138
02:47:24,948 --> 02:47:29,397
sidewalk program including the
current progress, areas completed,

3139
02:47:29,464 --> 02:47:33,344
and areas remaining to be reviewed
and marked throughout the district.

3140
02:47:33,411 --> 02:47:36,491
Uh, a summary of that program status
was sent via email and is

3141
02:47:36,558 --> 02:47:38,826
also attached to this email thread.

3142
02:47:39,666 --> 02:47:41,257
Mr. Rucy?

3143
02:47:41,324 --> 02:47:44,955
Can we get another update on that as
of September 14th, it says the

3144
02:47:45,022 --> 02:47:47,283
program is estimated at 55% complete.

3145
02:47:47,350 --> 02:47:50,780
It's now September 21st. I'd like to
know where they are a week later.

3146
02:47:50,847 --> 02:47:51,680
Yes, I will.

3147
02:47:51,747 --> 02:47:52,719
56%.

3148
02:47:52,786 --> 02:47:54,428
This is um,

3149
02:47:54,495 --> 02:47:58,744
And I know they have a litany of
excuses in here, but it's uh

3150
02:47:58,811 --> 02:48:02,142
very sad that it's not even O'Mart
yet where you don't even know what

3151
02:48:02,209 --> 02:48:03,541
the scope of the work is going to be

3152
02:48:03,608 --> 02:48:06,159
in terms of how many squares will end
up being replaced.

3153
02:48:06,226 --> 02:48:07,604
Um, yes, so

3154
02:48:08,704 --> 02:48:11,694
No, I was just going to say to tag on
to that, we've kind of reached a

3155
02:48:11,761 --> 02:48:13,043
point in time now where

3156
02:48:13,110 --> 02:48:16,740
I don't think we probably want to
break out any more concrete because

3157
02:48:16,807 --> 02:48:19,098
I'm worried that we do replacements,
it's going to get

3158
02:48:19,165 --> 02:48:20,057
full of leaves.

3159
02:48:20,124 --> 02:48:22,026
That's how late in the year we're
getting on this.

3160
02:48:22,093 --> 02:48:23,045
Yep.

3161
02:48:23,112 --> 02:48:24,474
So, keep that in mind.

3162
02:48:24,541 --> 02:48:26,302
Okay, I'll have a meeting and I'll
get back with both of you.

3163
02:48:26,369 --> 02:48:27,958
Thank you and the visuals.

3164
02:48:28,168 --> 02:48:31,428
Uh, Mr. Frederick raised concerns
about cuts in the pavement causing

3165
02:48:31,495 --> 02:48:32,427
issues.

3166
02:48:32,494 --> 02:48:35,925
He indicated that he would provide
the exact data. Uh, the address was

3167
02:48:35,992 --> 02:48:38,722
provided by Councilman Frederick and
it is also on the list for

3168
02:48:38,789 --> 02:48:39,622
replacement.

3169
02:48:39,689 --> 02:48:40,804
Thank you.

3170
02:48:40,871 --> 02:48:44,871
Uh, Mr. Vitali requested an update on
the Kudova site plan.

3171
02:48:44,938 --> 02:48:48,705
Uh, Kudova has corrected their
violations. Uh, oh sorry.

3172
02:48:49,004 --> 02:48:51,905
And then sorry, Kudova has corrected
their violations.

3173
02:48:51,972 --> 02:48:55,362
The only items are we are actively
monitoring right now is the health

3174
02:48:55,429 --> 02:48:57,131
of the boxwood shrubs.

3175
02:48:57,198 --> 02:49:00,048
Uh, but those plant materials die
then they would work with the owner

3176
02:49:00,115 --> 02:49:02,354
to make sure that they are replaced.

3177
02:49:03,693 --> 02:49:06,320
And then I will move on to 10A.

3178
02:49:06,760 --> 02:49:10,600
Um, so 10A is the responses from all
of the audience.

3179
02:49:10,667 --> 02:49:14,137
As many of you guys may have been
here last week, and some were,

3180
02:49:14,204 --> 02:49:15,296
some weren't.

3181
02:49:15,363 --> 02:49:18,544
Uh, we had a lot of individuals come
up and speak on behalf of

3182
02:49:18,611 --> 02:49:19,593
flop cameras.

3183
02:49:19,660 --> 02:49:23,590
Um, that information as we all always
do is provided in the agenda.

3184
02:49:23,657 --> 02:49:27,087
Knowing that, we also wanted to
provide, so I think there is a

3185
02:49:27,154 --> 02:49:29,215
stack and I know some of you guys
have grabbed some,

3186
02:49:29,282 --> 02:49:32,772
but there is a stack of what was in
the agenda. So everybody can

3187
02:49:32,839 --> 02:49:33,871
actually get a copy.

3188
02:49:33,938 --> 02:49:36,329
If you want to read over it, have
that information.

3189
02:49:36,396 --> 02:49:39,896
It is also available though on the
website as well.

3190
02:49:39,963 --> 02:49:43,064
So if people want to just go ahead
and view it on the website, so

3191
02:49:43,131 --> 02:49:44,633
there is other areas.

3192
02:49:44,700 --> 02:49:48,020
If uh, they happen to be all gone,
because obviously we have a large

3193
02:49:48,087 --> 02:49:49,179
crowd here again,

3194
02:49:49,246 --> 02:49:51,877
uh, let us know, we will make sure we
get some more printed out.

3195
02:49:51,944 --> 02:49:54,615
Uh, but like I said, I want to let
everybody know it is on our website

3196
02:49:54,682 --> 02:49:55,994
underneath medium minutes.

3197
02:49:56,061 --> 02:49:59,711
As well that's over there as well is
uh we did try to get together

3198
02:49:59,778 --> 02:50:02,269
and try to do a little bit of a
presentation.

3199
02:50:02,336 --> 02:50:05,413
Our police chief is here, that is in
here as well.

3200
02:50:05,853 --> 02:50:07,841
Um, and then

3201
02:50:08,321 --> 02:50:11,002
um, so I think I said all the
answers. So rather than me read

3202
02:50:11,069 --> 02:50:12,717
them word for word, uh, like I said
there was a lot of

3203
02:50:13,137 --> 02:50:15,428
of individuals who came up and speak.

3204
02:50:15,495 --> 02:50:17,466
Thank you all for coming back again,

3205
02:50:17,533 --> 02:50:19,265
and then I'm just going to go ahead
and turn it over

3206
02:50:19,332 --> 02:50:21,120
to our police chief for a little
presentation.

3207
02:50:21,510 --> 02:50:23,848
Thank you. Uh, good evening, Mayor
and Council.

3208
02:50:23,998 --> 02:50:28,644
Um, so we put together a short uh
PowerPoint presentation.

3209
02:50:29,054 --> 02:50:32,531
Um, I'll just kind of make some
comments on each page.

3210
02:50:32,911 --> 02:50:34,350
Um,

3211
02:50:34,690 --> 02:50:37,151
So what are the cameras? They take
images of vehicles,

3212
02:50:37,218 --> 02:50:40,155
models and plates. They're still
photos.

3213
02:50:40,535 --> 02:50:44,602
Um, they help officers generate
potential leads to crimes.

3214
02:50:44,802 --> 02:50:46,693
Uh, after a crime occurs,

3215
02:50:46,760 --> 02:50:51,289
um, it assists us by, um, so say
there's a break-in at a store.

3216
02:50:51,356 --> 02:50:55,136
The store surveillance video uh
captures and I just picked

3217
02:50:55,203 --> 02:50:57,724
a red pickup truck with a cap.

3218
02:50:57,791 --> 02:51:00,979
Uh, was in the parking lot at the
time of the break-in.

3219
02:51:01,158 --> 02:51:03,636
Uh, the break-in occurs, it gets
reported.

3220
02:51:03,866 --> 02:51:06,327
The next day, the investigator gets
the case assigned,

3221
02:51:06,394 --> 02:51:09,824
and then they go back in time on the
camera system

3222
02:51:09,891 --> 02:51:14,188
to see five or 10 minutes or so
before that crime occurred.

3223
02:51:14,298 --> 02:51:16,919
Uh, so it was at 10 and Little Mac,
uh, this was a

3224
02:51:16,986 --> 02:51:19,434
real case that just happened
recently.

3225
02:51:19,584 --> 02:51:22,814
Uh, was was a like vehicle seen
coming through into

3226
02:51:22,881 --> 02:51:26,019
St. Clair Shores past the camera.

3227
02:51:26,578 --> 02:51:29,109
Uh, if it did, it takes a picture of
that vehicle

3228
02:51:29,176 --> 02:51:31,107
with the matching description.

3229
02:51:31,174 --> 02:51:32,806
There's a plate now that's visible.

3230
02:51:32,873 --> 02:51:34,605
Now we have the license plate number,

3231
02:51:34,672 --> 02:51:37,902
detectives can do their, uh,
investigative, uh, techniques

3232
02:51:37,969 --> 02:51:41,736
to then develop a suspect potentially
from that information.

3233
02:51:42,325 --> 02:51:43,854
Um,

3234
02:51:45,013 --> 02:51:46,802
A community alert

3235
02:51:47,311 --> 02:51:50,592
is when uh a wanted or missing person
or stolen

3236
02:51:50,659 --> 02:51:53,956
vehicle drives past that camera.

3237
02:51:54,056 --> 02:51:56,887
This information is entered by law
enforcement agencies

3238
02:51:56,954 --> 02:51:59,472
into the National Crime Information
Center.

3239
02:51:59,632 --> 02:52:02,182
That's a nationwide system that we
use to track stolen

3240
02:52:02,249 --> 02:52:06,166
stolen, uh, vehicles and wanted
people and missing people.

3241
02:52:06,276 --> 02:52:08,877
It passes the camera, an alert goes
out to the officers

3242
02:52:08,944 --> 02:52:11,375
and to dispatch, and says, hey, this
camera just or this

3243
02:52:11,442 --> 02:52:14,573
vehicle just drove past your camera
at this location

3244
02:52:14,640 --> 02:52:16,081
into your city.

3245
02:52:16,148 --> 02:52:20,165
Officers can then, um, actively
search for that vehicle.

3246
02:52:21,174 --> 02:52:23,213
It is not facial recognition.

3247
02:52:23,762 --> 02:52:26,163
The cameras face inward into the
city, so they're kind of

3248
02:52:26,230 --> 02:52:28,162
like a perimeter around the city.

3249
02:52:28,229 --> 02:52:30,660
When a vehicle drives into the city,
it catches the rear

3250
02:52:30,727 --> 02:52:33,158
of the vehicle as the vehicle drives
away from the camera.

3251
02:52:33,225 --> 02:52:35,513
It's not looking for faces or people.

3252
02:52:36,462 --> 02:52:38,301
It just takes a a snapshot.

3253
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:42,750
And these are not for, uh,
surveillance of residents,

3254
02:52:42,817 --> 02:52:45,848
it's not for traffic enforcement, it
doesn't detect speeding,

3255
02:52:45,915 --> 02:52:49,312
it doesn't check plate expirations.

3256
02:52:50,001 --> 02:52:53,042
Um, the Michigan Department of
Transportation has numerous

3257
02:52:53,109 --> 02:52:54,900
cameras along the freeways.

3258
02:52:54,967 --> 02:52:59,037
And the county uh road department has
cameras at many intersections

3259
02:52:59,104 --> 02:53:02,691
throughout Macomb County, including
St. Clair Shores.

3260
02:53:03,231 --> 02:53:04,563
Um,

3261
02:53:04,749 --> 02:53:07,530
a valid reason and a complaint number
have to be put in by

3262
02:53:07,597 --> 02:53:09,895
the officer if they're going to check
the system.

3263
02:53:11,384 --> 02:53:14,162
Uh, next slide, please.

3264
02:53:15,431 --> 02:53:17,279
So this is how they're used.

3265
02:53:17,349 --> 02:53:20,520
So, a car passes the camera, the
images are taken, and

3266
02:53:20,587 --> 02:53:21,889
this they're stored in the cloud.

3267
02:53:21,956 --> 02:53:25,816
So, I drove into here, uh, today, my
my vehicle plate

3268
02:53:25,883 --> 02:53:28,014
and the description was captured by
numerous

3269
02:53:28,081 --> 02:53:29,413
cameras on my way here.

3270
02:53:29,480 --> 02:53:31,748
Those images go up into the cloud.

3271
02:53:32,377 --> 02:53:34,908
Hopefully they'll never be checked by
anybody because

3272
02:53:34,975 --> 02:53:37,563
I'm not going to be a subject of a
criminal investigation.

3273
02:53:38,033 --> 02:53:41,503
So there are a lot of, um, photos or
images taken and

3274
02:53:41,570 --> 02:53:44,897
very few are ever accessed by law
enforcement.

3275
02:53:45,477 --> 02:53:48,245
Again, a legitimate law enforcement
reason is needed.

3276
02:53:48,464 --> 02:53:51,895
And then we still verify. So this was
prior to flock

3277
02:53:51,962 --> 02:53:53,893
and and, uh, just as part of,

3278
02:53:53,960 --> 02:53:56,798
uh, regular law enforcement
procedures.

3279
02:53:57,437 --> 02:54:03,492
So say we see a stolen car, uh, a BOL
from dispatch or an officer sees a
stolen car.

3280
02:54:03,662 --> 02:54:06,370
We check the plate, comes back
stolen.

3281
02:54:06,450 --> 02:54:08,781
So then what we do is we have
dispatch verify with the

3282
02:54:08,848 --> 02:54:11,279
entering jurisdiction that that
indeed is still a

3283
02:54:11,346 --> 02:54:15,076
stolen vehicle, and that the plate
matches the vehicle that's

3284
02:54:15,143 --> 02:54:16,922
been entered into the system.

3285
02:54:17,072 --> 02:54:20,092
Once that's verified, then that
traffic stop would occur.

3286
02:54:20,159 --> 02:54:22,970
So again, we're still verifying, uh,
through a

3287
02:54:23,037 --> 02:54:26,024
human eyes that this is the exact
vehicle.

3288
02:54:27,573 --> 02:54:32,662
Um, thus far we've we've utilized the
system to make

3289
02:54:32,729 --> 02:54:36,059
more than 40 arrests and have
recovered multiple stolen

3290
02:54:36,126 --> 02:54:39,284
vehicles since we've had this system
in just just over a year.

3291
02:54:40,643 --> 02:54:45,898
Uh, the next why use?

3292
02:54:46,058 --> 02:54:48,449
So, many of the crimes that we've
solved, also cleared

3293
02:54:48,516 --> 02:54:51,247
cases in other jurisdictions, there's
one of the, um,

3294
02:54:51,314 --> 02:54:53,945
I'm one of the slides there's a case,
there's an armed

3295
02:54:54,012 --> 02:54:56,580
robbery of a check caching place in
the north end of town.

3296
02:54:57,169 --> 02:54:59,490
Um, we cleared that case with the
assistance of Flock.

3297
02:54:59,557 --> 02:55:03,804
Again, it's a tool that helps the
detectives besides doing the regular
techniques.

3298
02:55:04,474 --> 02:55:07,034
Um, that suspect was identified, was
on parole for

3299
02:55:07,101 --> 02:55:09,772
other violent crimes,

3300
02:55:09,839 --> 02:55:11,731
uh, who's arrested for our armed
robbery as well as

3301
02:55:11,798 --> 02:55:12,830
armed robbery.

3302
02:55:12,897 --> 02:55:15,259
various and other neighboring
jurisdictions.

3303
02:55:15,326 --> 02:55:19,725
So obviously crime doesn't have
borders. People are going to come and
go,

3304
02:55:19,792 --> 02:55:22,670
uh, into our town and to others. So.

3305
02:55:24,069 --> 02:55:25,401
Um.

3306
02:55:29,514 --> 02:55:31,303
Okay, next slide, please.

3307
02:55:32,622 --> 02:55:37,088
So again, authorized access, our
officers, um,

3308
02:55:37,338 --> 02:55:40,888
to access the system, they have to be
on our user lists. They have to go

3309
02:55:40,955 --> 02:55:42,037
initial training,

3310
02:55:42,104 --> 02:55:45,282
annual review of the policy.

3311
02:55:45,362 --> 02:55:47,053
Uh they have to use a username

3312
02:55:47,120 --> 02:55:49,581
and password and multi-factor

3313
02:55:49,648 --> 02:55:51,909
authentication uh through text or
email

3314
02:55:51,976 --> 02:55:54,415
to actually utilize the system.

3315
02:55:54,664 --> 02:55:55,996
Um.

3316
02:55:58,481 --> 02:56:02,871
the investigative, uh reason and uh
complaint number. Again,

3317
02:56:02,938 --> 02:56:06,405
there need to be uh listed in there
by the officer.

3318
02:56:07,194 --> 02:56:12,863
The audit, uh any activity is logged
for audit purposes and reviewed by

3319
02:56:12,930 --> 02:56:16,210
in this case it's our detective
bureau lieutenant.

3320
02:56:16,277 --> 02:56:20,886
So, we have a few different, um, ways
to do this.

3321
02:56:20,953 --> 02:56:22,472
So, um.

3322
02:56:24,251 --> 02:56:29,237
we have our monthly audits. We used
to do them quarterly. Now we do them
monthly.

3323
02:56:29,716 --> 02:56:35,305
Uh, so the detective lieutenant goes
through, um, sees how many times it
was used,

3324
02:56:35,372 --> 02:56:38,459
sees how many times officers ran
plates.

3325
02:56:38,579 --> 02:56:44,008
And then they, um, spot check
numerous complaint numbers to verify

3326
02:56:44,075 --> 02:56:46,016
that they were legitimate uses.

3327
02:56:46,083 --> 02:56:48,404
So when the officer puts in a
complaint number,

3328
02:56:48,471 --> 02:56:51,042
uh, the detective pulls that
complaint number,

3329
02:56:51,109 --> 02:56:54,519
actually runs the report, that report
complaint number in our report system

3330
02:56:54,586 --> 02:56:56,947
to verify, yep, that was a stolen car
case or that was a domestic

3331
02:56:57,014 --> 02:57:00,555
violence case where the suspect left
the scene prior to officer's arrival.

3332
02:57:00,622 --> 02:57:02,553
Whatever the case may be.

3333
02:57:02,620 --> 02:57:06,946
Uh, and we found no uh violations of
our directive.

3334
02:57:07,206 --> 02:57:10,117
We also utilize, um, it's called
audit assist. It's a program within

3335
02:57:10,184 --> 02:57:12,732
the flock system

3336
02:57:12,902 --> 02:57:15,959
that automatically flags any unusual
activity.

3337
02:57:16,039 --> 02:57:20,549
So if an officer runs a plate
numerous times, or if an officer runs
the same

3338
02:57:20,616 --> 02:57:23,823
plate on multiple days,

3339
02:57:23,893 --> 02:57:25,225
um.

3340
02:57:25,422 --> 02:57:27,333
You know what, ma'am, a little
respect would be nice, okay?

3341
02:57:27,400 --> 02:57:31,210
We we give you the respect, we expect
the respect back. That would be nice.

3342
02:57:31,277 --> 02:57:32,139
Uh so then

3343
02:57:32,206 --> 02:57:34,774
[crowd]

3344
02:57:34,864 --> 02:57:36,563
takes the, uh,

3345
02:57:37,142 --> 02:57:41,162
uh, that lets us know that there
there could be a problem.

3346
02:57:41,229 --> 02:57:45,399
Those have been spot-checked as well
and we've not uh we've not seen any

3347
02:57:45,466 --> 02:57:48,593
uh violations of our uh directive.

3348
02:57:49,522 --> 02:57:50,854
Um.

3349
02:57:51,021 --> 02:57:52,960
That was the audit stuff.

3350
02:57:53,129 --> 02:57:56,460
Our directive, uh, has been approved
by MMA, uh Michigan Municipal Risk

3351
02:57:56,527 --> 02:58:00,706
Management Authority, and by the city
attorney's office.

3352
02:58:00,773 --> 02:58:04,880
And again, an annual review is
required by everyone who uses our
system.

3353
02:58:05,679 --> 02:58:07,011
Um.

3354
02:58:07,788 --> 02:58:10,628
There are questions about the
directive and uh running the

3355
02:58:10,695 --> 02:58:13,026
running a plate through the system.

3356
02:58:13,093 --> 02:58:15,514
So I can't run my own plate and I
can't run somebody else's

3357
02:58:15,581 --> 02:58:18,040
plate just to see if it's been
queried.

3358
02:58:18,489 --> 02:58:20,760
Um, that's against the directive
because there's no legitimate law

3359
02:58:20,827 --> 02:58:22,546
enforcement reason to do that.

3360
02:58:22,976 --> 02:58:26,146
Um, I know again, you know, my my
plate and vehicle descriptions run

3361
02:58:26,213 --> 02:58:30,130
through this, you know, images are
captured

3362
02:58:30,579 --> 02:58:34,466
uh, through numerous jurisdictions
daily. And, um.

3363
02:58:36,814 --> 02:58:39,375
I haven't been contacted because I
haven't been the subject of a

3364
02:58:39,442 --> 02:58:42,010
criminal investigation.

3365
02:58:42,290 --> 02:58:44,768
This is not access by ICE.

3366
02:58:45,118 --> 02:58:46,130
Um.

3367
02:58:46,197 --> 02:58:47,529
Next.

3368
02:58:47,716 --> 02:58:51,113
So our retention for the data is 30
days.

3369
02:58:51,463 --> 02:58:54,253
We can switch it to 14 or seven. The
flock system allows for those

3370
02:58:54,320 --> 02:58:57,980
uh choices to be made in the system.

3371
02:58:58,047 --> 02:59:01,268
But the Michigan records retention
schedule, the statute that, um,

3372
02:59:01,335 --> 02:59:04,325
dictates how long data needs to be
kept by municipalities and his

3373
02:59:04,392 --> 02:59:07,880
department says it has to be 30 days.

3374
02:59:08,479 --> 02:59:09,601
So,

3375
02:59:09,668 --> 02:59:12,909
if this if, if this data is used in a
criminal investigation and

3376
02:59:12,976 --> 02:59:16,653
prosecution, obviously it can be kept
longer,

3377
02:59:17,122 --> 02:59:19,084
Uh, because if, you know, a murder
case could take years

3378
02:59:19,151 --> 02:59:21,422
to get through the system, so that
would still be kept

3379
02:59:21,489 --> 02:59:23,937
as part of the case file.

3380
02:59:24,526 --> 02:59:25,688
Um.

3381
02:59:25,755 --> 02:59:29,685
Again, we have our safeguards of
training, policy review, audits, and

3382
02:59:29,752 --> 02:59:34,169
if there are problems, uh, discipline
is addressed in our directive.

3383
02:59:34,968 --> 02:59:36,300
Uh, next, please.

3384
02:59:37,436 --> 02:59:42,312
Annual cost. We have 12 cameras, uh,
so it's $3,000 a camera per year.

3385
02:59:42,512 --> 02:59:45,353
The first year was a little bit more
because of the installation costs

3386
02:59:45,420 --> 02:59:48,387
that were, um, needed.

3387
02:59:48,687 --> 02:59:51,977
We have a five-year contract, and we
just paid year two. The funds for
this

3388
02:59:52,044 --> 02:59:57,190
comes from the Drug Law Enforcement
Fund, not from the general fund.

3389
02:59:58,359 --> 02:59:59,691
Uh.

3390
03:00:00,428 --> 03:00:01,759
Next, please.

3391
03:00:02,706 --> 03:00:06,076
These are some, uh, just examples of
some of the uses that we've had.
There

3392
03:00:06,143 --> 03:00:08,474
are a couple of pages more. I think
it's in the packet that the city

3393
03:00:08,541 --> 03:00:10,410
manager mentioned.

3394
03:00:10,629 --> 03:00:12,378
Um, so there are

3395
03:00:13,327 --> 03:00:16,535
there are more, uh, success stories
for that use.

3396
03:00:17,054 --> 03:00:19,705
Uh, and then lastly,

3397
03:00:19,772 --> 03:00:25,920
so the red cameras are the cameras
around town, uh, a lot on the

3398
03:00:25,987 --> 03:00:30,277
North End, the West End and the South
End. Um, every

3399
03:00:30,344 --> 03:00:36,621
jurisdiction around us except now for
one on our south side on the

3400
03:00:36,688 --> 03:00:40,336
toward the south end of town on the
west side of us.

3401
03:00:43,693 --> 03:00:48,829
So these have been publicly
available, uh, the locations that is.

3402
03:00:48,929 --> 03:00:53,825
They face inward as I said and
capture the rear of vehicles.

3403
03:00:55,124 --> 03:01:00,253
Uh, so they don't, we're not tracking
people. Um, this is a tool.

3404
03:01:00,320 --> 03:01:04,049
So you can travel all over our city
and never be on camera on a flock

3405
03:01:04,116 --> 03:01:06,847
camera. You can be on lots of other
cameras but you can't be on a

3406
03:01:06,914 --> 03:01:09,845
flock camera. So, if you live say
near 8 and a half and Harper,

3407
03:01:09,912 --> 03:01:14,041
you could go, uh, a little bit north,
maybe grab some groceries,

3408
03:01:14,108 --> 03:01:18,838
go to the Civic Arena for a park
pass, grab a sandwich on 9 and a half
and

3409
03:01:18,905 --> 03:01:23,734
Harper, go get gas maybe or a snack
at 10 and Little Mac.

3410
03:01:23,801 --> 03:01:27,331
Stop at the fire department for some
fire prevention tips.

3411
03:01:27,398 --> 03:01:31,128
Go to 12 and Harper for a snack or a
pop there.

3412
03:01:31,195 --> 03:01:33,126
Go to the golf course for a quick
nine.

3413
03:01:33,193 --> 03:01:35,524
Go up to Kite Monroe for a pickleball
game.

3414
03:01:35,591 --> 03:01:39,988
Head over to Veterans Memorial Park
for a nice walk along the track.

3415
03:01:40,387 --> 03:01:43,618
Head south down to the library to
pick up a book.

3416
03:01:43,685 --> 03:01:45,516
Go to Blossom Heath to go fishing.

3417
03:01:45,583 --> 03:01:48,214
And then go on to Jefferson for
dinner.

3418
03:01:48,281 --> 03:01:50,912
Go to the social district downtown
for a nice evening.

3419
03:01:50,979 --> 03:01:54,409
And then back home and you would have
never been on a flock camera.

3420
03:01:54,476 --> 03:01:57,274
So, these aren't tailing people,
they're not chasing people.

3421
03:01:57,374 --> 03:01:59,105
Um there are some things,

3422
03:01:59,172 --> 03:02:02,703
uh, flock does offer a transparency
portal it's called,

3423
03:02:02,770 --> 03:02:06,400
where data can be publicly, uh,
posted for anybody to see.

3424
03:02:06,467 --> 03:02:09,297
We would like to get that posted onto
the city website.

3425
03:02:09,364 --> 03:02:12,794
It shows data as question and answer
sections, things like that.

3426
03:02:12,861 --> 03:02:16,791
Um, I'm sure our flock rep would get
us in touch with the right

3427
03:02:16,858 --> 03:02:19,656
people to get that up and running.

3428
03:02:19,956 --> 03:02:23,186
We can look at our sharing
properties, so we share with numerous

3429
03:02:23,253 --> 03:02:24,585
different agencies.

3430
03:02:24,652 --> 03:02:28,549
Right now we don't do anything out of
state and no federal agencies.

3431
03:02:28,649 --> 03:02:32,479
So we can look into narrowing that
down to which agencies with which we
share

3432
03:02:32,546 --> 03:02:35,543
or which agencies can see our data.

3433
03:02:36,542 --> 03:02:40,372
And we need to do further research on
the, uh, retention because

3434
03:02:40,439 --> 03:02:43,437
right now the statute limits, uh, us
in reducing that.

3435
03:02:44,636 --> 03:02:47,966
Uh, we're also hoping all of us are
gonna have a new governor

3436
03:02:48,033 --> 03:02:50,065
here soon, and no matter who's
elected,

3437
03:02:50,132 --> 03:02:53,862
uh, we hope that there would be some
guidance coming from the state level,

3438
03:02:53,929 --> 03:02:57,459
every community is going through
similar things.

3439
03:02:57,526 --> 03:03:01,056
And we're all looking for answers and
and one, um, overhead way

3440
03:03:01,123 --> 03:03:05,819
to handle everything throughout all
these jurisdictions. So.

3441
03:03:06,518 --> 03:03:10,948
Uh, and I spoke with the
representative earlier today,

3442
03:03:11,015 --> 03:03:14,812
uh, hopefully the legislature can
also help in that regard.

3443
03:03:15,311 --> 03:03:17,543
Mr. Lant, thank you. Yeah, so.

3444
03:03:17,610 --> 03:03:20,640
Thank you, uh, Chief, um, for coming
up here.

3445
03:03:20,707 --> 03:03:24,437
And then, um, as as the Chief just
indicated to,

3446
03:03:24,504 --> 03:03:27,135
uh, there is going to be a new
governor.

3447
03:03:27,202 --> 03:03:31,132
Um, there are going to be, um,
hopefully some guidance from

3448
03:03:31,199 --> 03:03:32,730
the state.

3449
03:03:32,797 --> 03:03:36,527
Obviously, you're seeing constant as
I think multiple people actually

3450
03:03:36,594 --> 03:03:39,692
brought up during their two minute.

3451
03:03:39,892 --> 03:03:43,022
Uh, there has been discussion even at
the federal level.

3452
03:03:43,089 --> 03:03:46,619
Uh, there is a lack of kind of
guidance at the federal level

3453
03:03:46,686 --> 03:03:48,385
and at the state level.

3454
03:03:48,885 --> 03:03:51,715
Uh, hopefully that will be coming in
the very near future.

3455
03:03:51,782 --> 03:03:55,112
This is a very hot topic, you do see
this being discussed.

3456
03:03:55,179 --> 03:04:00,108
And or voted in some communities down
and other communities voted up.

3457
03:04:00,175 --> 03:04:02,973
Um, as Warren just voted to keep
theirs as well.

3458
03:04:03,173 --> 03:04:07,003
Um, so you are seeing kind of a blend
across this nation and across

3459
03:04:07,070 --> 03:04:10,567
this state of kind of what's going
on. Um.

3460
03:04:11,167 --> 03:04:15,296
But that being said, I know that we
had, like I said, a lot of these

3461
03:04:15,363 --> 03:04:16,695
individuals who came tonight.

3462
03:04:16,762 --> 03:04:18,294
And then also came two weeks ago.

3463
03:04:18,361 --> 03:04:21,491
Uh, we did try to compile as much
information as we could.

3464
03:04:21,558 --> 03:04:25,288
I know that the chief, um, has
reached out, we're trying to see

3465
03:04:25,355 --> 03:04:27,487
if we could get a flock
representative here.

3466
03:04:27,554 --> 03:04:29,052
Uh, they are...

3467
03:04:29,252 --> 03:04:30,584
This is for council.

3468
03:04:30,651 --> 03:04:35,147
Um, so, so information, uh, so we
could get, uh...

3469
03:04:36,347 --> 03:04:40,076
So we could get more information, uh,
so if council does have some

3470
03:04:40,143 --> 03:04:42,342
technical questions.

3471
03:04:42,442 --> 03:04:45,972
Um, as well as, uh, making sure that
we have some of our detectives

3472
03:04:46,039 --> 03:04:49,569
that do go through the training and
provide that, so any information,

3473
03:04:49,636 --> 03:04:53,566
just so we can be well informed on
both sides.

3474
03:04:53,633 --> 03:04:58,562
Um, like I said, there is a lot of
misinformation on both different
sides.

3475
03:04:58,629 --> 03:05:01,926
And this does show what's there, so
council can be well informed.

3476
03:05:02,126 --> 03:05:04,957
Chief, you did have to at the end you
had some open questions still.

3477
03:05:05,024 --> 03:05:08,753
Can you give that again that you you
thought that maybe you don't have

3478
03:05:08,820 --> 03:05:10,919
all the answers for which one was a
portal, we don't.

3479
03:05:13,790 --> 03:05:16,440
The transparency portal, we would
like to get that up and running.

3480
03:05:16,507 --> 03:05:19,378
It shows uh how the system's used by
officer with raw data,

3481
03:05:19,445 --> 03:05:22,256
numbers, how many how many images

3482
03:05:22,323 --> 03:05:25,903
are captured, how many searches are
conducted, those types of things.

3483
03:05:25,970 --> 03:05:29,174
It doesn't show the plate number or
the officer's name or the

3484
03:05:29,241 --> 03:05:32,941
complaint number, uh but those are
searchable if they need to be

3485
03:05:33,008 --> 03:05:36,262
uh through a unique identifying
number in the system.

3486
03:05:36,481 --> 03:05:38,413
So we'd like to get that up and
running.

3487
03:05:38,480 --> 03:05:41,984
Um, I I spoke with our rep briefly
about it and he said he

3488
03:05:42,051 --> 03:05:44,762
can certainly hook us up with whoever
it is that needs that

3489
03:05:44,829 --> 03:05:47,223
handles that kind of aspect of that
program.

3490
03:05:47,393 --> 03:05:50,647
I mean, I do have a thought here that
I mean, I do have a thought here that
I think there are still open
questions

3491
03:05:50,714 --> 03:05:54,874
of very well we may be put a pause to
this program or bag these bags

3492
03:05:54,941 --> 03:05:58,617
to maybe we have some additional
questions answered and and that, but

3493
03:05:58,684 --> 03:06:04,879
[applause]

3494
03:06:06,317 --> 03:06:08,546
I I understand. I I I understand.

3495
03:06:08,925 --> 03:06:10,567
Um, but Ms. Roosey?

3496
03:06:10,634 --> 03:06:12,625
Thank you. Well, um,

3497
03:06:12,692 --> 03:06:16,120
I guess I'll start off the comments
and some questions.

3498
03:06:16,969 --> 03:06:21,942
First off, I I think having a flock
sales rep here would be as

3499
03:06:22,009 --> 03:06:25,079
satisfying as it was when we were
having garbage issues and kept having

3500
03:06:25,146 --> 03:06:28,257
the priority people summoned to stand
at the podium and give us

3501
03:06:28,324 --> 03:06:31,280
excuses and I'm sure it would be just
as frustrating.

3502
03:06:31,347 --> 03:06:34,345
[applause]

3503
03:06:36,054 --> 03:06:38,145
I would enjoy it. I'll just say that,

3504
03:06:38,212 --> 03:06:40,097
but I just don't think it would be
very beneficial

3505
03:06:40,164 --> 03:06:43,907
to the process. Um,

3506
03:06:44,397 --> 03:06:48,111
And the snow globe analogy that you
were putting forth, you could do all

3507
03:06:48,178 --> 03:06:51,998
the stuff in Sinclair Shores and
never be hit by a flock camera is
kind

3508
03:06:52,065 --> 03:06:55,375
of was kind of creepy actually
because we have a right to leave the
city

3509
03:06:55,442 --> 03:06:57,659
and to travel. You know, and to go

3510
03:06:57,726 --> 03:06:59,695
[applause]

3511
03:07:00,664 --> 03:07:02,070
I would enjoy it. You could drive

3512
03:07:02,137 --> 03:07:05,597
through every city and not get hit by
a flock camera isn't really like,

3513
03:07:05,664 --> 03:07:08,844
okay, that's fine, but that doesn't
really address the concerns we do

3514
03:07:08,911 --> 03:07:13,281
have because we're not in a snow
globe, right? With a dome like a

3515
03:07:13,348 --> 03:07:17,291
Truman show. I guess maybe a little
bit, but um,

3516
03:07:17,830 --> 03:07:19,329
That was a good movie.

3517
03:07:20,038 --> 03:07:21,887
So it was a scary movie.

3518
03:07:23,056 --> 03:07:27,702
Um, a couple of the of the points
though, I guess.

3519
03:07:28,602 --> 03:07:32,296
You know, you had mentioned how the
pictures go up into the cloud, right?

3520
03:07:32,363 --> 03:07:36,043
And most of them won't be looked at,
but there was just a flock camera

3521
03:07:36,110 --> 03:07:39,730
that was hack and they put you know
some articles out there about how

3522
03:07:39,797 --> 03:07:42,947
these things actually work, which is
just like in the past couple of days

3523
03:07:43,014 --> 03:07:46,714
from the last means to now. And it
says, contrary to some assumptions

3524
03:07:46,781 --> 03:07:50,021
about the system, the software on the
this is I'm reading an article from

3525
03:07:50,088 --> 03:07:54,228
a website. The software on the camera
itself doesn't read license plates

3526
03:07:54,295 --> 03:07:57,645
or identify a vehicle's make model or
color. That processing happens

3527
03:07:57,712 --> 03:08:01,442
later on the Flatsome servers after
the device transmits its photos.

3528
03:08:01,509 --> 03:08:04,999
So it sound like they're passively
going up to a cloud just kind of

3529
03:08:05,066 --> 03:08:08,609
floating around. They're going to a
server for analysis.

3530
03:08:09,039 --> 03:08:12,619
So that was you know what I mean,
that's a little bit different.

3531
03:08:12,686 --> 03:08:14,722
How many images per vehicle are
taken?

3532
03:08:14,789 --> 03:08:17,979
So if a car drives past a flock
camera, how many separate images?

3533
03:08:18,046 --> 03:08:21,172
I know it doesn't do video, but how
many actual images?

3534
03:08:21,239 --> 03:08:23,710
One. It's a lot, it's a lot.

3535
03:08:23,777 --> 03:08:25,486
It's multiple images.

3536
03:08:26,046 --> 03:08:29,120
So it it kind of actually if yeah, if
you look at how many images, they

3537
03:08:29,187 --> 03:08:32,088
actually kind of does operate as a
video because we don't know how flip

3538
03:08:32,155 --> 03:08:36,270
books work when you have a bunch of
pictures in series taken
consecutively,

3539
03:08:36,337 --> 03:08:39,305
it pretty much shows it moving. So

3540
03:08:39,675 --> 03:08:43,998
that was uh new information to me too
from the that information I saw

3541
03:08:44,065 --> 03:08:48,088
about the hack that came out. So it
was good information, but

3542
03:08:48,997 --> 03:08:54,480
And he I had sent this question via
email, but in some of the answers

3543
03:08:54,547 --> 03:08:57,533
to some of the questions put forward
by the the residents.

3544
03:08:57,600 --> 03:09:00,805
It said that all the cameras in the
public right away. I asked about the

3545
03:09:00,872 --> 03:09:04,262
14 Harper one that is not located
though in between the street and the

3546
03:09:04,329 --> 03:09:07,459
sidewalk. It's located between the
sidewalk and the parking lot of that

3547
03:09:07,526 --> 03:09:10,380
strip mall right there. Is that one
of ours?

3548
03:09:10,970 --> 03:09:15,023
Yes. And that does that count as a
public right away because it's not

3549
03:09:15,090 --> 03:09:17,371
the street and the sidewalk. It's
between the sidewalk and the parking

3550
03:09:17,438 --> 03:09:18,526
lot, that green way.

3551
03:09:18,593 --> 03:09:21,868
I I'll have to look at what the
county's roads department sent on

3552
03:09:21,935 --> 03:09:24,542
that one. It's their their road and
and and it would have been there
right away.

3553
03:09:24,609 --> 03:09:27,723
Okay, because it says very
defensively, they're all on public
right of ways.

3554
03:09:27,790 --> 03:09:30,960
There should be no question about any
of the answers we have. It should be

3555
03:09:31,027 --> 03:09:33,045
accurate, nothing you have to look
for look into.

3556
03:09:33,112 --> 03:09:36,256
Because otherwise, I mean it's hard
to put a lot of trust into these

3557
03:09:36,323 --> 03:09:39,340
answers then when I only know that
one because

3558
03:09:39,407 --> 03:09:42,684
I have a very trustworthy. It's on my
I I would hope so.

3559
03:09:42,854 --> 03:09:46,078
But it's like, I know about that one
because it's on my adapter road

3560
03:09:46,145 --> 03:09:49,196
on Harper, so I have to clean around.
I have to clean around the right

3561
03:09:49,263 --> 03:09:52,543
away that's not there. It's in
between the sidewalk and the parking
lot.

3562
03:09:52,610 --> 03:09:55,101
So when I saw, they're all on the
public right away, it's like, well,

3563
03:09:55,168 --> 03:09:56,683
how did that one get there?

3564
03:09:57,252 --> 03:09:59,021
So, I I

3565
03:10:00,700 --> 03:10:04,886
Uh, let's see. So we I know every
search has to have a reason.

3566
03:10:05,296 --> 03:10:09,030
I was looking at some of the data
from Sinclair Shore's searches that

3567
03:10:09,097 --> 03:10:12,676
were put on the have I been flought
website, I see inves

3568
03:10:12,853 --> 03:10:14,545
investigation was used

3569
03:10:14,612 --> 03:10:16,876
just as a reason. I know that's not a
good reason, but it was used.

3570
03:10:16,943 --> 03:10:19,264
Do we not allow that anymore? Do we
have to have a more

3571
03:10:19,331 --> 03:10:22,878
definitive reason that type an
investigation?

3572
03:10:22,945 --> 03:10:24,037
Yes.

3573
03:10:24,104 --> 03:10:25,726
But we

3574
03:10:25,793 --> 03:10:29,103
There's a drop-down that's provided
with options.

3575
03:10:29,170 --> 03:10:30,712
That's not an option that we use.

3576
03:10:30,779 --> 03:10:31,901
Not anymore.

3577
03:10:31,968 --> 03:10:33,796
It had been used.

3578
03:10:34,476 --> 03:10:36,177
I send an email about that too,

3579
03:10:36,244 --> 03:10:38,495
about some of the searches I had saw.

3580
03:10:38,562 --> 03:10:40,893
I can check the audit log to see if
that's been changed.

3581
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:44,231
Yeah, I think that was back, it was
probably back in late November,

3582
03:10:44,298 --> 03:10:46,729
so it might be changed by now, but it
was

3583
03:10:46,796 --> 03:10:47,638
It'll show in the system.

3584
03:10:47,705 --> 03:10:50,336
Yeah, some of the, I have very
limited information

3585
03:10:50,403 --> 03:10:53,104
I've been able to find, but the one I
I did see that

3586
03:10:53,171 --> 03:10:55,352
come up a few times from earlier
searches,

3587
03:10:55,419 --> 03:10:57,680
investigation. So that's very
oblique.

3588
03:10:57,747 --> 03:10:59,079
That's not

3589
03:10:59,146 --> 03:11:01,524
uh, a very good reason.

3590
03:11:03,143 --> 03:11:04,921
So, anyway,

3591
03:11:05,711 --> 03:11:07,529
um, let's see.

3592
03:11:09,058 --> 03:11:12,365
I going to just re let me get to my
notes.

3593
03:11:13,345 --> 03:11:15,139
I'm going to reincorporate,

3594
03:11:15,206 --> 03:11:17,414
I made a lot comments at the last, I
actually made a lot

3595
03:11:17,481 --> 03:11:19,712
comments about these things February
2025 during the

3596
03:11:19,779 --> 03:11:21,031
study session,

3597
03:11:21,098 --> 03:11:24,499
a lot of the same concerns that are
being brought up now.

3598
03:11:24,566 --> 03:11:27,553
I brought these up over a year ago,

3599
03:11:27,663 --> 03:11:29,991
but um, that's fine.

3600
03:11:30,431 --> 03:11:34,091
Um, again, these aren't license plate
readers. They capture a

3601
03:11:34,158 --> 03:11:36,719
lot more details about the vehicle
than plates, including

3602
03:11:36,786 --> 03:11:39,197
type, make, color, unique features,
bumper stickers,

3603
03:11:39,264 --> 03:11:41,475
decals, roof rats, damage.

3604
03:11:41,542 --> 03:11:45,878
Um, and beyond the hit list that we
we like to talk about,

3605
03:11:46,218 --> 03:11:50,488
they also create uh, the ability to
search by license plate and

3606
03:11:50,555 --> 03:11:52,606
gets a list of all locations that
play is passed by in

3607
03:11:52,673 --> 03:11:54,095
30 days.

3608
03:11:54,162 --> 03:11:56,963
I know we say, well, they don't
track. Well, maybe not technically,

3609
03:11:57,030 --> 03:11:59,411
but if there's a big network of
cameras out there

3610
03:11:59,478 --> 03:12:02,278
and a lot of these cameras and the
ability to search

3611
03:12:02,345 --> 03:12:04,566
all the data that's being fed into
this network

3612
03:12:04,633 --> 03:12:06,415
for 30 days,

3613
03:12:06,482 --> 03:12:09,502
that kind of puts together a pretty
good search about

3614
03:12:09,569 --> 03:12:12,880
where this vehicle's been, even if it
isn't actively

3615
03:12:12,947 --> 03:12:15,068
tracking it,

3616
03:12:15,135 --> 03:12:17,176
you can kind of reverse engineer it.

3617
03:12:17,243 --> 03:12:19,584
So it's not a passive reader system,
it aggregates these

3618
03:12:19,651 --> 03:12:21,313
to track movement over a month-long
period.

3619
03:12:21,380 --> 03:12:24,737
the concern grows more than that
works the camera grows.

3620
03:12:24,867 --> 03:12:27,548
And this data can be as access
without the legal protections

3621
03:12:27,615 --> 03:12:29,277
of a warrant require it, that makes a
diff uh

3622
03:12:29,344 --> 03:12:30,496
different than some

3623
03:12:30,563 --> 03:12:32,454
people always bring up, 'well, you
carry a cell phone.'

3624
03:12:32,521 --> 03:12:34,453
No, my God, I love my cell phone.

3625
03:12:34,520 --> 03:12:36,581
But that requires a warrant if the
police want to look at

3626
03:12:36,648 --> 03:12:40,725
that location data. You can't just
pull entire databases.

3627
03:12:41,534 --> 03:12:44,245
Uh, and I can turn my phone off, I
can leave my phone at home,

3628
03:12:44,312 --> 03:12:45,664
it's my choice.

3629
03:12:45,731 --> 03:12:48,741
I mean, I I, you know, it's a little
bit different than

3630
03:12:48,808 --> 03:12:51,679
driving a car and going outside the
city like I'd forbid

3631
03:12:51,746 --> 03:12:54,154
sometimes we want to.

3632
03:12:54,314 --> 03:12:55,147
[laughter]

3633
03:12:56,082 --> 03:12:59,063
Um, these record every vehicle's
coming and goings when they

3634
03:12:59,130 --> 03:13:01,931
pass the camera, creates a
comprehensive record of them

3635
03:13:01,998 --> 03:13:04,628
rather than just taking pictures of
license plates,

3636
03:13:04,695 --> 03:13:06,097
checking and gets a local hot list

3637
03:13:06,164 --> 03:13:07,873
and then flushing the data if there's
no hits.

3638
03:13:08,073 --> 03:13:10,943
So retention, that's when the Fourth
Amendment constitutional

3639
03:13:11,010 --> 03:13:13,931
concern comes in. The government
should be tracking someone again

3640
03:13:13,998 --> 03:13:15,796
it's kind of how it operates,

3641
03:13:15,916 --> 03:13:19,157
unless it has individualized
suspicion uh, Rondoin.

3642
03:13:19,224 --> 03:13:22,184
The creation of this data is
inescapable given the breath

3643
03:13:22,251 --> 03:13:23,413
in network and it's automatic.

3644
03:13:23,480 --> 03:13:27,517
You can't opt out of it if you're in
a car with a license plate on it.

3645
03:13:28,346 --> 03:13:30,628
Uh, the Supreme Court has found that
people have a reasonable

3646
03:13:30,695 --> 03:13:32,826
expectation of privacy in the whole
of their physical

3647
03:13:32,893 --> 03:13:34,904
movements because of the privacy of
life, these

3648
03:13:34,971 --> 03:13:36,133
movements can reveal

3649
03:13:36,200 --> 03:13:39,081
aggregate digital data, uh, location
over time, creates a

3650
03:13:39,148 --> 03:13:41,719
detailed record of their movements,
which can reveal

3651
03:13:41,786 --> 03:13:44,337
highly sensitive details about their
life. It's the aggregation

3652
03:13:44,404 --> 03:13:46,425
of the data that's the issue. Even if
each individual

3653
03:13:46,492 --> 03:13:50,022
observation was publicly visible,

3654
03:13:50,089 --> 03:13:52,090
because you're always here like, 'oh,
you're in public, you've no

3655
03:13:52,157 --> 03:13:53,769
expectation of privacy.' Well, yeah,
I've seen you with my

3656
03:13:53,836 --> 03:13:54,669
eyes, I do, but this

3657
03:13:54,736 --> 03:13:57,310
these are cameras recording this
movement, creating, that's the,

3658
03:13:57,377 --> 03:13:59,478
it's the aggregation.

3659
03:13:59,545 --> 03:14:02,006
I brought that up in February 2025
really, what your issue

3660
03:14:02,073 --> 03:14:03,775
with these cameras is data
aggregation.

3661
03:14:03,842 --> 03:14:05,394
Well, what does that mean? That's
what that means.

3662
03:14:05,461 --> 03:14:08,831
It's the 30-day retention in the
network and all the cameras out

3663
03:14:08,898 --> 03:14:11,469
there creating a bigger and larger
and more expansive

3664
03:14:11,536 --> 03:14:14,024
network is the issue.

3665
03:14:14,843 --> 03:14:17,524
So, you know, and again, I mentioned
this at the last

3666
03:14:17,591 --> 03:14:21,028
[applause]

3667
03:14:21,738 --> 03:14:24,678
I mentioned this at the last meeting
too because one of the

3668
03:14:24,745 --> 03:14:27,776
um arguments you hear sometimes is,
'well, you got if you don't

3669
03:14:27,843 --> 03:14:29,664
have anything to hide, where you're
afraid of?'

3670
03:14:29,731 --> 03:14:31,700
I got nothing to hide.

3671
03:14:31,780 --> 03:14:34,041
But the Constitution protects the
rights of people with

3672
03:14:34,108 --> 03:14:37,095
nothing to hide too. It protects
everybody.

3673
03:14:37,525 --> 03:14:43,081
[applause]

3674
03:14:43,510 --> 03:14:45,701
I mentioned that too back in February
2025 as well as

3675
03:14:45,768 --> 03:14:47,090
at the last mean, but it's

3676
03:14:47,157 --> 03:14:50,538
really I think inescapable now, the
importance of this one

3677
03:14:50,605 --> 03:14:53,335
because of what we just saw in the
news that's been referenced

3678
03:14:53,402 --> 03:14:55,394
about what happened in with our
neighboring communities.

3679
03:14:55,461 --> 03:14:58,551
We do have a directive policy in
place, govern our officers use

3680
03:14:58,618 --> 03:15:00,959
of the tool.

3681
03:15:01,026 --> 03:15:04,526
But our directive doesn't govern how
other jurisdictions

3682
03:15:04,593 --> 03:15:06,904
officers access our data.

3683
03:15:06,971 --> 03:15:07,804
We could

3684
03:15:07,871 --> 03:15:11,018
[applause]

3685
03:15:11,148 --> 03:15:12,209
We could have the most

3686
03:15:12,276 --> 03:15:15,180
Perfect policy of, with teeth,

3687
03:15:15,247 --> 03:15:18,214
with enforcement, the most perfect
officers you can imagine.

3688
03:15:18,281 --> 03:15:20,635
But it doesn't matter given we're
opening up our data to

3689
03:15:20,702 --> 03:15:23,260
over 180 jurisdictions in Michigan.

3690
03:15:23,327 --> 03:15:25,452
And like uh Senator Chu said,

3691
03:15:25,519 --> 03:15:29,086
no federal or state regulations offer
protections.

3692
03:15:29,153 --> 03:15:31,204
There are no legislative protections
point Michigan.

3693
03:15:31,271 --> 03:15:33,415
The technology is kind of out pace
the law at this point.

3694
03:15:33,482 --> 03:15:36,133
So we have what we have right now is
sometimes

3695
03:15:36,200 --> 03:15:39,517
some of these municipalities that do
have access to data

3696
03:15:39,584 --> 03:15:41,938
may have policies, they may not be
great policies,

3697
03:15:42,005 --> 03:15:45,013
they may not have any policies, they
may not be enforced.

3698
03:15:45,080 --> 03:15:47,364
But right now it's just this
hodgepodge governing this and

3699
03:15:47,431 --> 03:15:51,161
unless we have some sort of
memorandum of understanding

3700
03:15:51,228 --> 03:15:53,259
with other agencies access your data,

3701
03:15:53,326 --> 03:15:56,860
which some municipalities ask for, we
don't.

3702
03:15:56,960 --> 03:16:00,364
Some municipal municipalities have
started asking accessing agencies to
enter into an MOU

3703
03:16:00,431 --> 03:16:03,405
basically saying you will abide by
our policies,

3704
03:16:04,984 --> 03:16:07,728
but that's just a mess, but there's
no overarching

3705
03:16:07,795 --> 03:16:09,796
regulations about this.

3706
03:16:09,863 --> 03:16:13,277
Which is really scary given how this
is grown. Right.

3707
03:16:13,437 --> 03:16:16,121
So, uh there were highly publicized
instance of misuse

3708
03:16:16,188 --> 03:16:18,356
nationwide at the time of the study
session

3709
03:16:18,423 --> 03:16:21,584
February 2025. There have been
additional ones since.

3710
03:16:21,651 --> 03:16:25,607
And since the last meeting, one right
next door. Unfortunately.

3711
03:16:26,517 --> 03:16:29,604
And um again data access concerns it
turns out.

3712
03:16:29,894 --> 03:16:34,566
I mean you I know chief you have
mentioned no federal agencies at this
time.

3713
03:16:34,633 --> 03:16:37,324
And we were told previously no
federal agencies,

3714
03:16:37,391 --> 03:16:40,908
but the FBI was accessing our data
for two months, correct?

3715
03:16:40,975 --> 03:16:42,307
That's correct.

3716
03:16:42,374 --> 03:16:44,478
And I I I have been asking about that
because we were told

3717
03:16:44,545 --> 03:16:46,017
and I've been telling people,

3718
03:16:46,084 --> 03:16:48,565
oh yeah, oh it's 180 jurisdictions in
Michigan,

3719
03:16:48,632 --> 03:16:49,465
no federal agencies.

3720
03:16:49,532 --> 03:16:53,032
And we come to find out, yes, it was
the FBI for two months.

3721
03:16:53,412 --> 03:16:56,246
And it's like, well, somebody's in
the system

3722
03:16:56,313 --> 03:16:58,644
some system administrator allowed us.

3723
03:16:58,711 --> 03:17:01,778
But it seemed like when you told us
to us it was a surprise.

3724
03:17:01,845 --> 03:17:02,947
Which isn't cool.

3725
03:17:03,014 --> 03:17:05,339
And when the the things was, well,
the it was the FBI office

3726
03:17:05,406 --> 03:17:06,528
in Detroit,

3727
03:17:06,595 --> 03:17:08,316
it's like, oh my god, that doesn't
make it in

3728
03:17:08,383 --> 03:17:10,145
state. Yeah. The F and FBI

3729
03:17:10,212 --> 03:17:13,102
stands for federal. Regardless of
where the office

3730
03:17:13,169 --> 03:17:15,178
is located.

3731
03:17:15,245 --> 03:17:18,208
So it's like, you know, if we have to
like, if we're told

3732
03:17:18,275 --> 03:17:21,712
things and we're going forward and
telling residents this,

3733
03:17:21,779 --> 03:17:24,393
oh no, no, this is what it is, this
is what this is how the

3734
03:17:24,460 --> 03:17:25,702
information and

3735
03:17:25,769 --> 03:17:29,366
it's wrong. I was telling people
wrong information because I was
trusting.

3736
03:17:29,433 --> 03:17:32,801
And that's a really icky thing to be
in. I don't like that.

3737
03:17:33,280 --> 03:17:36,474
Um, you mentioned transparency
portal, shorter retention period,

3738
03:17:36,541 --> 03:17:38,949
I talked about the MOUs.

3739
03:17:39,016 --> 03:17:41,180
Again, we don't have a state or
federal regulations,

3740
03:17:41,247 --> 03:17:42,706
hopefully soon.

3741
03:17:42,773 --> 03:17:47,405
Do we run searches for other agencies
if an agency who doesn't have flock
called us up and said

3742
03:17:47,472 --> 03:17:49,493
because I saw some of this not
necessarily connected with

3743
03:17:49,560 --> 03:17:52,401
St. Clair Shores, but with other
departments running searches for

3744
03:17:52,468 --> 03:17:55,732
other people and they would put that
in their their reason.

3745
03:17:56,092 --> 03:17:58,396
Do we run if another department that
doesn't have flock call us

3746
03:17:58,463 --> 03:18:02,677
and said, hey, could you run this
plate for me, would we do it? Sure.

3747
03:18:02,797 --> 03:18:03,972
Okay. Absolutely.

3748
03:18:04,039 --> 03:18:07,769
because if there's a murder, say
there's a murder, say there's a
murder in Dallas, Texas, and they
think their

3749
03:18:07,836 --> 03:18:10,413
suspect has fled to Southeast
Michigan,

3750
03:18:10,480 --> 03:18:13,321
I would want to help that department
catch the bad guy.

3751
03:18:13,388 --> 03:18:15,150
So yes, we would share that
information with them.

3752
03:18:15,217 --> 03:18:16,262
[laughter]
Please, please, please.

3753
03:18:16,329 --> 03:18:20,548
No, it's just it's just I you know, I
want to understand who has access to
our data

3754
03:18:20,615 --> 03:18:25,062
and it's stuff like that that we're
told, oh, it's just in state
agencies.

3755
03:18:25,129 --> 03:18:28,079
And then it turns out no, it's
actually was the FBI too for a few
months.

3756
03:18:28,146 --> 03:18:30,847
They don't have access to it. We
could provide them some data.

3757
03:18:30,914 --> 03:18:33,328
Okay, but I'm just trying to
understand who gets access to

3758
03:18:33,395 --> 03:18:37,279
the data our cameras generate because

3759
03:18:37,859 --> 03:18:40,952
yes, our residents could be very
insular and just travel within St.
Clair Shores,

3760
03:18:41,019 --> 03:18:43,014
but

3761
03:18:43,254 --> 03:18:47,624
most of these people driving it out,
do live in St. Clair Shores and these
are our residents data.

3762
03:18:47,691 --> 03:18:50,334
I would like to know who has access
to know who has access to that
because that's a big question and

3763
03:18:50,401 --> 03:18:53,456
concern rightfully so that comes up.

3764
03:18:53,756 --> 03:18:57,259
And I I'm not sure if anyone up here
really has a full understanding of
that

3765
03:18:57,326 --> 03:19:01,040
because sometimes the answer seem to
be changing a little bit.

3766
03:19:01,859 --> 03:19:03,998
Um, let's see.

3767
03:19:06,376 --> 03:19:10,645
Oh, I think that's a I talked a lot
and I know a lot of people want to
weigh in, but

3768
03:19:10,712 --> 03:19:13,766
oh, oh, I also want to see a terrain
looking why is the termination clause

3769
03:19:13,833 --> 03:19:15,958
in the contract.

3770
03:19:16,268 --> 03:19:19,651
The contract uh the payments will
still have to be made,

3771
03:19:19,718 --> 03:19:21,576
but the service would not be
available.

3772
03:19:21,643 --> 03:19:25,034
So we'd still have to pay for five
years or four years at this point.

3773
03:19:25,101 --> 03:19:25,963
Three more.

3774
03:19:26,030 --> 03:19:26,863
Three more years.

3775
03:19:26,930 --> 03:19:29,224
We just made the second. Second
payment.

3776
03:19:29,291 --> 03:19:32,082
[laughter]
Great, great contracts.

3777
03:19:32,149 --> 03:19:34,157
Okay. Thank you.

3778
03:19:34,787 --> 03:19:37,780
I I didn't vote for this. I was out
of state when the vote was made.

3779
03:19:37,847 --> 03:19:39,906
So I was out of state when the vote
was made.

3780
03:19:39,973 --> 03:19:41,974
[applause]
I

3781
03:19:42,041 --> 03:19:43,970
Mr. Burgess. Thank you.

3782
03:19:44,129 --> 03:19:46,650
I don't want to repeat.

3783
03:19:46,717 --> 03:19:47,583
I don't want to repeat

3784
03:19:47,650 --> 03:19:51,813
um or get into everything that uh
Miss Roosey brought up.

3785
03:19:52,023 --> 03:19:56,909
Uh though I agree with what she has
said tonight. Um,

3786
03:19:57,179 --> 03:19:59,553
I right before we started this um
Mayor had said that

3787
03:19:59,620 --> 03:20:05,492
maybe we should be taking a pause.

3788
03:20:05,612 --> 03:20:07,973
And I believe we should be taking a
pause.

3789
03:20:08,040 --> 03:20:11,448
[applause]

3790
03:20:12,191 --> 03:20:14,262
[applause]

3791
03:20:14,329 --> 03:20:17,899
safeguards safeguards need be in
place

3792
03:20:17,966 --> 03:20:23,095
and Chief. I trust you. I've known
you for years and uh

3793
03:20:23,162 --> 03:20:27,092
I have a great amount respect for our
police department.

3794
03:20:27,159 --> 03:20:27,998
But chiefs change,

3795
03:20:28,065 --> 03:20:30,569
officers change, counsels change,

3796
03:20:30,636 --> 03:20:35,066
administration changes, technology
changes,

3797
03:20:35,133 --> 03:20:37,264
but these safeguards need to be in
place

3798
03:20:37,331 --> 03:20:40,189
and we don't have enough of those
safeguards right now.

3799
03:20:40,688 --> 03:20:45,937
Um, if someone someday decided to
misuse this technology,

3800
03:20:46,004 --> 03:20:49,934
what Pacific specifically prevents
them from doing it.

3801
03:20:50,001 --> 03:20:54,190
And if it can't be prevented, how
quickly will we know?

3802
03:20:54,257 --> 03:20:58,427
You said uh also that um, you
mentioned about uh that

3803
03:20:58,494 --> 03:21:01,152
there's been no incidences.

3804
03:21:01,352 --> 03:21:06,720
Um, during your audits, have you
found any discrepancies?

3805
03:21:06,787 --> 03:21:09,718
Has anybody done something even the
slightest bit?

3806
03:21:09,785 --> 03:21:13,342
No. That's good news. That's good
news.

3807
03:21:13,442 --> 03:21:17,212
Uh, you also said that um, you've had
43 success stories

3808
03:21:17,279 --> 03:21:20,709
with the flat camera systems.

3809
03:21:20,776 --> 03:21:23,007
But you didn't there's no breakdown
of that.

3810
03:21:23,074 --> 03:21:27,730
Could of these been discovered
without flat cameras?

3811
03:21:27,930 --> 03:21:29,929
I'm sure some, sure.

3812
03:21:30,428 --> 03:21:34,598
Okay, so, um, I want to make my
position clear.

3813
03:21:34,665 --> 03:21:39,321
I believe in the concept of
protecting our citizens.

3814
03:21:39,521 --> 03:21:42,292
If this technology can help the
police department,

3815
03:21:42,359 --> 03:21:45,489
catch a dangerous criminal, locate a
kidnapped child,

3816
03:21:45,556 --> 03:21:49,286
identify a hit and run driver,
recover a stolen car.

3817
03:21:49,353 --> 03:21:52,484
I understand that and I and I believe
that there are some

3818
03:21:52,551 --> 03:21:56,380
good points to the flat camera
system.

3819
03:21:56,447 --> 03:22:01,277
But I, if we can't have safeguards in
place for our

3820
03:22:01,344 --> 03:22:06,073
rights as citizens and I was here
voted upon by the citizens

3821
03:22:06,140 --> 03:22:09,997
and as Candace mentioned, I wasn't
here for the vote as well.

3822
03:22:10,097 --> 03:22:14,866
Um, but I believe that it's not an
either or

3823
03:22:14,933 --> 03:22:18,063
that they have to everything has to
be put in place

3824
03:22:18,130 --> 03:22:21,960
to protect not only our citizens'
privacies,

3825
03:22:22,027 --> 03:22:25,357
but also protect our citizens from
criminals.

3826
03:22:25,424 --> 03:22:28,854
So, uh, if we're coming to any kind
of vote tonight, which

3827
03:22:28,921 --> 03:22:31,952
I know we're not, I would say that we
need to pause this

3828
03:22:32,019 --> 03:22:36,049
until we can get these safeguards in
place, get some answers.

3829
03:22:36,116 --> 03:22:39,246
One thing Candace says, we won't we
don't even know all of this.

3830
03:22:39,313 --> 03:22:42,244
I mean, we we're trying to figure out
questions.

3831
03:22:42,311 --> 03:22:46,640
Um, and there has been discrepancies
between what

3832
03:22:46,707 --> 03:22:49,338
Flock told us in the study section
session

3833
03:22:49,405 --> 03:22:51,996
to what's actually taking place.

3834
03:22:52,063 --> 03:22:55,733
So, like I said, I respect our police
department, I respect

3835
03:22:55,800 --> 03:22:58,930
you very much, but things will can
change.

3836
03:22:58,997 --> 03:23:03,627
This is a five-year contract, who's
to say who who's around?

3837
03:23:03,694 --> 03:23:07,723
East Point had two officers, uh,
there was another city that

3838
03:23:07,790 --> 03:23:09,622
um, I thought it was Sterling
Heights,

3839
03:23:09,689 --> 03:23:10,721
but I don't want to say that out
loud.

3840
03:23:10,788 --> 03:23:14,118
Uh, so it could have been any
different one, but it's here

3841
03:23:14,185 --> 03:23:19,414
within our uh within the metropolitan
area that

3842
03:23:19,481 --> 03:23:22,911
an officer used that to track his
ex-wife,

3843
03:23:22,978 --> 03:23:25,009
he was ultimately fired.

3844
03:23:25,076 --> 03:23:29,606
But what safeguards do we have that
people aren't using these

3845
03:23:29,673 --> 03:23:33,330
things for uh other uses?

3846
03:23:34,029 --> 03:23:36,700
So, and I know that other people have
I know we got a PowerPoint

3847
03:23:36,767 --> 03:23:40,057
coming up here soon, so it might
answer some more questions.

3848
03:23:40,124 --> 03:23:41,956
Thank you. Mr. Vitale.

3849
03:23:42,023 --> 03:23:42,955
Okay.

3850
03:23:43,022 --> 03:23:45,993
I'm I guess I'm gonna I guess I'm
gonna start out

3851
03:23:46,060 --> 03:23:47,292
[applause]

3852
03:23:47,359 --> 03:23:50,189
I'm gonna I'm gonna start out in the
same way that my two

3853
03:23:50,256 --> 03:23:53,114
colleagues have by just saying

3854
03:23:53,314 --> 03:23:56,184
I'm going to use the word pause
because I think there's certain

3855
03:23:56,251 --> 03:23:57,284
legalities

3856
03:23:57,351 --> 03:23:59,981
in terms of the contract and in terms
of removing the cameras

3857
03:24:00,048 --> 03:24:02,380
that we need to look into.

3858
03:24:02,447 --> 03:24:04,977
And by saying pause and bag, that's
something that, you know,

3859
03:24:05,044 --> 03:24:08,102
we can do within 24 hours.

3860
03:24:08,402 --> 03:24:10,973
So, that's why I'm saying that, not
saying removal, I'm saying

3861
03:24:11,040 --> 03:24:13,571
bag and discontinue the program.

3862
03:24:13,638 --> 03:24:18,766
[applause]

3863
03:24:18,833 --> 03:24:22,463
And I and I now I'd like to to give
some reasons behind that.

3864
03:24:22,530 --> 03:24:25,488
Now, I was one of the people who did
vote for this.

3865
03:24:26,287 --> 03:24:30,857
And I see that this is basically an
unproven beta test that

3866
03:24:30,924 --> 03:24:36,652
we've kind of been suggested
subjected to.

3867
03:24:36,719 --> 03:24:40,849
And I would like to know how did how
did originally when

3868
03:24:40,916 --> 03:24:45,345
this was brought in front of us, we
had already had the cameras.

3869
03:24:45,412 --> 03:24:48,303
The cameras had already been up for
months.

3870
03:24:48,370 --> 03:24:50,141
I don't know the exact period of
time,

3871
03:24:50,208 --> 03:24:51,300
I don't know if it's a full year.

3872
03:24:51,367 --> 03:24:52,300
What?

3873
03:24:52,367 --> 03:24:53,239
No.

3874
03:24:53,306 --> 03:24:54,738
No. Wait a second.

3875
03:24:54,805 --> 03:24:57,263
We were told these cameras were
already up.

3876
03:24:58,262 --> 03:24:59,334
No. Before they were voted on.

3877
03:24:59,401 --> 03:25:01,292
Before they were voted on?

3878
03:25:01,359 --> 03:25:02,931
No. No. No.

3879
03:25:02,998 --> 03:25:04,929
Well then was that we was that would
that we receiving

3880
03:25:04,996 --> 03:25:08,087
information from other neighbor
communities?

3881
03:25:08,154 --> 03:25:10,125
Oh, there's yes. Yes. Yeah. Maybe
that

3882
03:25:10,192 --> 03:25:12,254
okay. All right. So

3883
03:25:12,321 --> 03:25:14,881
we were receiving from other
neighboring communities

3884
03:25:14,948 --> 03:25:18,788
essentially the same type of
information.

3885
03:25:18,855 --> 03:25:21,037
We didn't have them physically in St.
Clair Shores.

3886
03:25:21,104 --> 03:25:23,535
That's correct. Correct. Totally.
Right.

3887
03:25:23,602 --> 03:25:26,392
Okay, so perhaps when I took that was
that we were

3888
03:25:26,459 --> 03:25:30,096
using information from other
communities.

3889
03:25:32,345 --> 03:25:34,316
How did those other communities

3890
03:25:34,383 --> 03:25:36,451
end up with the cameras before we
did.

3891
03:25:36,521 --> 03:25:40,148
And how long in front of us, say
Roseville or something like that.

3892
03:25:42,996 --> 03:25:44,897
What did we just learn Eastpoint was
2024?

3893
03:25:44,964 --> 03:25:45,834
So I don't I mean is that

3894
03:25:45,901 --> 03:25:46,906
I mean I think we just

3895
03:25:46,973 --> 03:25:49,104
we heard that at the at the their
last meeting.

3896
03:25:49,171 --> 03:25:51,602
I guess I was under the impression
that this was a

3897
03:25:51,669 --> 03:25:53,201
this was done by Ceressa.

3898
03:25:53,268 --> 03:25:55,589
This is with who they solicited.

3899
03:25:55,656 --> 03:25:58,034
That's not correct. That's not
correct. No.

3900
03:25:58,494 --> 03:26:02,360
Each individual department sought it
separately.

3901
03:26:03,210 --> 03:26:05,731
And I believe there's over like I
think, I don't quote me

3902
03:26:05,798 --> 03:26:06,840
but I think it's over, say

3903
03:26:06,907 --> 03:26:09,738
probably be out here no more I duh
the total totality.

3904
03:26:09,805 --> 03:26:12,825
but I think there's over 6,000 just
in the state of Michigan.

3905
03:26:12,892 --> 03:26:15,853
And I think the first communities in
Michigan was all the way back

3906
03:26:15,920 --> 03:26:18,448
in 2020, 2021.

3907
03:26:18,947 --> 03:26:21,708
Do you know what the number is that
the county uses?

3908
03:26:21,775 --> 03:26:24,176
How many cameras in Macomb County?

3909
03:26:24,243 --> 03:26:28,550
Uh, I talked to the sheriff the other
day. I believe he said 32.

3910
03:26:29,369 --> 03:26:33,765
[laughter]

3911
03:26:34,085 --> 03:26:35,577
No, and within Macomb County,

3912
03:26:35,644 --> 03:26:38,551
that was the question I asked, not
St. Clair Shores.

3913
03:26:40,220 --> 03:26:41,762
that the sheriff uses? Yeah.

3914
03:26:41,829 --> 03:26:44,320
Yeah, I think the sheriff's office
has 32.

3915
03:26:44,387 --> 03:26:47,015
Those are flock or are those
something else, flock?

3916
03:26:47,434 --> 03:26:50,602
Other jurisdictions within Macomb
County have their own.

3917
03:26:51,221 --> 03:26:52,850
Harper's a county road.

3918
03:26:53,070 --> 03:26:55,041
Our Mile roads are county roads,

3919
03:26:55,108 --> 03:26:57,366
the even numbered ones.

3920
03:26:58,905 --> 03:27:02,312
If Macomb County wanted to put
cameras up on Harper.

3921
03:27:02,682 --> 03:27:04,111
Could we stop them?

3922
03:27:05,430 --> 03:27:07,039
I that I don't know.

3923
03:27:07,678 --> 03:27:11,788
I mean that's just let the air out of
the air out of the whole spend your
day in St. Clair Shores thing.

3924
03:27:11,855 --> 03:27:14,033
[laughter]

3925
03:27:15,072 --> 03:27:17,323
I don't think it would be wasteful
for them.

3926
03:27:17,390 --> 03:27:18,832
Oh, clearly for you.

3927
03:27:18,899 --> 03:27:21,370
Well, I don't, not necessarily.

3928
03:27:21,437 --> 03:27:23,778
I mean, you'd have a scenario where
you're solving crimes

3929
03:27:23,845 --> 03:27:25,777
that were St. Clair Shores resident
on St. Clair Shores

3930
03:27:25,844 --> 03:27:28,272
resident crime.

3931
03:27:28,631 --> 03:27:30,000
theoretically.

3932
03:27:31,459 --> 03:27:34,916
So, and and this goes to maybe
Linda's point.

3933
03:27:35,266 --> 03:27:38,713
I trust you. I've talked to you. I've
known you for years.

3934
03:27:38,903 --> 03:27:43,330
And I don't have any specific reason
to have concerns about any of our
officers.

3935
03:27:43,430 --> 03:27:46,670
But the fact of the matter is is that
you won't be there forever.

3936
03:27:46,737 --> 03:27:50,264
Those officers won't be there
forever. We won't be here forever.

3937
03:27:50,954 --> 03:27:53,185
And eventually you may we may reach a
point where we have a

3938
03:27:53,252 --> 03:27:56,082
chief or a council or a county
executive who feels like, well,

3939
03:27:56,149 --> 03:28:00,786
why not have them on every corner.

3940
03:28:01,175 --> 03:28:05,302
And how do you how do you stop that
once you've kind of gone down this
road?

3941
03:28:06,011 --> 03:28:08,273
So, I think that scenario that it's
just going to be if

3942
03:28:08,340 --> 03:28:09,222
you leave

3943
03:28:09,289 --> 03:28:13,146
St. Clair Shores it's going to go out
the window fairly quickly.

3944
03:28:16,873 --> 03:28:20,999
further apply that and say there are
state roads.

3945
03:28:21,749 --> 03:28:24,766
There are federal interstates.

3946
03:28:25,586 --> 03:28:28,443
So those cameras could go up in any
of those.

3947
03:28:29,203 --> 03:28:32,653
We have cameras right now that MDOT
has at our major

3948
03:28:32,720 --> 03:28:34,142
intersections that

3949
03:28:34,209 --> 03:28:37,050
do those have recording, not
recording, do those have real

3950
03:28:37,117 --> 03:28:39,605
time viewing capability?

3951
03:28:40,913 --> 03:28:43,444
The MDOT cameras on I94. Yes.

3952
03:28:43,511 --> 03:28:45,660
No, the ones, well, okay, sure.

3953
03:28:46,179 --> 03:28:47,571
And how about the ones on Harper?

3954
03:28:47,638 --> 03:28:49,080
Nine Mile and Harper. Yes.

3955
03:28:49,147 --> 03:28:50,769
Those are county cameras, not MDOT.

3956
03:28:50,836 --> 03:28:53,706
Now, I remember when that was
explained to us and there was

3957
03:28:53,773 --> 03:28:55,735
there was some consternation. I think
those cameras have

3958
03:28:55,802 --> 03:28:57,780
probably been up for 10 years.

3959
03:28:58,270 --> 03:29:01,230
about those cameras going up and oh
no, this is a surveillance

3960
03:29:01,297 --> 03:29:03,798
state and why are there cameras

3961
03:29:03,865 --> 03:29:05,544
and it was explained to us

3962
03:29:06,253 --> 03:29:10,909
that those cameras are only there to
detect the presence of a vehicle.

3963
03:29:11,659 --> 03:29:13,380
and change the light timing.

3964
03:29:13,447 --> 03:29:15,719
So if I'm coming and I and I've
witnessed this before.

3965
03:29:15,786 --> 03:29:16,688
I've I'm coming at an intersection

3966
03:29:16,755 --> 03:29:21,931
at 4:00 in the morning and there's no
one around, it gives me the green.

3967
03:29:22,520 --> 03:29:24,032
So, that's what we were told.

3968
03:29:24,099 --> 03:29:27,010
So I'm understanding it that there's
just basically some

3969
03:29:27,077 --> 03:29:28,708
vision program that sees an

3970
03:29:28,775 --> 03:29:31,206
oncoming set of headlights or
something like that, looks at

3971
03:29:31,273 --> 03:29:32,675
the surrounding intersections,

3972
03:29:32,742 --> 03:29:36,519
turns the light green for me to keep
the traffic flowing.

3973
03:29:36,949 --> 03:29:39,699
But now I'm learning that no, those
can be viewed or monitored

3974
03:29:39,766 --> 03:29:42,834
at any time.

3975
03:29:45,162 --> 03:29:48,419
So say there's a crash at whatever 12
and Harper.

3976
03:29:48,979 --> 03:29:51,220
Um, traffic's backed up.

3977
03:29:51,287 --> 03:29:53,488
They could then they can view that
intersection, they can change

3978
03:29:53,555 --> 03:29:55,187
the light timing, they can do

3979
03:29:55,254 --> 03:29:57,925
those types of things with the
system.

3980
03:29:57,992 --> 03:30:00,683
I've not seen it work in person out
at Comtech, but that's my

3981
03:30:00,750 --> 03:30:02,718
understanding.

3982
03:30:03,018 --> 03:30:05,479
It isn't just sort of a robotic thing
that detects the presence

3983
03:30:05,546 --> 03:30:06,648
of a vehicle

3984
03:30:06,715 --> 03:30:09,176
and changes light timing. There's
human beings who can monitor

3985
03:30:09,243 --> 03:30:11,644
from the eye.

3986
03:30:11,711 --> 03:30:13,402
in the sky.

3987
03:30:13,469 --> 03:30:14,801
Yeah.

3988
03:30:15,198 --> 03:30:18,029
that's that seems different than what
I recall being called.

3989
03:30:18,096 --> 03:30:21,936
I think that's what occurs I believe
there's 350 of these cameras by

3990
03:30:22,003 --> 03:30:25,423
operated by the Macom County
Department of Roads. Roughly 350.

3991
03:30:25,490 --> 03:30:31,235
cameras. And I I believe counselman
they they can flip them on and have
them all live.

3992
03:30:32,284 --> 03:30:35,215
Okay. And if they can go live, they
can be recorded.

3993
03:30:35,282 --> 03:30:38,412
I don't think they are being
recorded, but they can go live.

3994
03:30:38,479 --> 03:30:43,408
I mean you can plug a video output
into a VCR and record something. I
mean

3995
03:30:43,475 --> 03:30:45,803
So that capability would be there.

3996
03:30:47,482 --> 03:30:54,210
Um, you do have a summary of flock
success stories. I believe I I tried
to count them quick.

3997
03:30:54,277 --> 03:30:56,498
They're 19 of these listed.

3998
03:30:56,565 --> 03:30:58,563
It's about right.

3999
03:30:59,712 --> 03:31:01,051
About 19.

4000
03:31:01,751 --> 03:31:06,400
I went through these and there's
really only one

4001
03:31:06,467 --> 03:31:09,425
that actually prevented a crime.

4002
03:31:10,404 --> 03:31:17,191
And that was uh, serial retail fraud
suspect, used flock to place vehicle
in the area

4003
03:31:17,258 --> 03:31:21,388
at the time of the crime and its
alert function to notify patrol

4004
03:31:21,455 --> 03:31:25,025
was able to stop the vehicle and make
arrest and impound the vehicle.

4005
03:31:25,092 --> 03:31:28,063
retail fraud.

4006
03:31:28,130 --> 03:31:33,715
But I've got to say for a lot of
these that are listed as success
stories,

4007
03:31:34,115 --> 03:31:41,109
It just says um, stolen vehicle by
family member used flock to show

4008
03:31:41,239 --> 03:31:45,406
vehicle was last observed in Michigan
and did not leave the state.

4009
03:31:45,965 --> 03:31:48,913
I mean, I I don't know really if that
I'd call that a success story.

4010
03:31:49,123 --> 03:31:50,674
It just proves that a crime.

4011
03:31:50,741 --> 03:31:55,660
And no, I understand and and I hate
this because people are laughing and
I'm not

4012
03:31:55,727 --> 03:31:58,158
trying to make fun of the work that
the work that the chief has done or
the police department.

4013
03:31:58,225 --> 03:32:00,756
I'm trying to make a serious point
here.

4014
03:32:00,823 --> 03:32:05,952
And the serious point is that we're
calling this a success. It's not
really a success.

4015
03:32:06,019 --> 03:32:08,517
And I'm not saying that humorously.

4016
03:32:09,097 --> 03:32:11,895
But I don't know if we can really
call that a success.

4017
03:32:12,284 --> 03:32:17,613
So, and you know, there there is a
case up here at the top, just to be
fair,

4018
03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:24,285
that talks about someone placing a
skimmer on an ATM and led to the
identification of a suspect.

4019
03:32:25,014 --> 03:32:31,559
But a lot of these crimes, I would
not classify as headlines.

4020
03:32:32,168 --> 03:32:34,609
And of course any crime is, you know,
a bad crime.

4021
03:32:34,676 --> 03:32:40,125
But I I will also say this, the
police have tools within their
toolbox right now

4022
03:32:40,192 --> 03:32:41,920
that they don't necessarily use.

4023
03:32:42,440 --> 03:32:48,645
I had a resident who observed someone
throwing the entire fast food bag out
a window.

4024
03:32:48,895 --> 03:32:52,115
And they took a picture of it, took a
picture of the license plate, uh

4025
03:32:52,182 --> 03:32:55,839
posted on Facebook and then basically
said can't anything be done about
this.

4026
03:32:56,149 --> 03:33:00,808
And and and I hate littering because
I hate littering because I think
that's like a psychopathic crime
really to do that.

4027
03:33:00,875 --> 03:33:02,207
There's no gain to you.

4028
03:33:03,253 --> 03:33:09,701
But I asked and it was explained to
me by the deputy chief that, okay,

4029
03:33:09,768 --> 03:33:13,845
we got a license plate number, but we
don't know who's in the car.

4030
03:33:14,285 --> 03:33:18,314
So we would have to bring that person
in, whoever the registered owner

4031
03:33:18,381 --> 03:33:23,290
and then have a lineup, probably get
some similar people to stand next to
him

4032
03:33:23,357 --> 03:33:27,387
and then that person who observed it
would have to identify the person

4033
03:33:27,454 --> 03:33:29,096
and then we could issue them a
littering ticket.

4034
03:33:29,163 --> 03:33:34,381
Now, of course, I understand we don't
do that. That's an enormous
imposition

4035
03:33:34,448 --> 03:33:36,816
on civil liberties and things like
that.

4036
03:33:36,976 --> 03:33:39,777
But we have the tool, we have the
capability

4037
03:33:39,844 --> 03:33:44,573
And a lot of these that are listed as
success stories are

4038
03:33:44,640 --> 03:33:50,246
essentially just looking up the
person who's identified with the
license plate.

4039
03:33:51,065 --> 03:33:57,563
Um, there's another one here that
says identity theft victim reported
someone purchased three vehicles in
her name.

4040
03:33:57,630 --> 03:34:03,258
Used flock to help identify the
colors of these vehicles for lean
entry and confirm

4041
03:34:03,325 --> 03:34:07,772
they may not have entered St. Clair
Shores affirming the victim
statement.

4042
03:34:08,771 --> 03:34:11,851
I don't even know how that disproves
or proves anything.

4043
03:34:11,918 --> 03:34:13,200
They just say they never came into
St. Clair Shores.

4044
03:34:13,267 --> 03:34:17,784
I've purchased cars in Arizona
before, never brought them into the
city.

4045
03:34:18,923 --> 03:34:23,542
So, I guess what I'm just trying to
say is is that there's a great number
listed on here

4046
03:34:23,609 --> 03:34:26,776
and I don't know if I can call all of
these success stories.

4047
03:34:27,366 --> 03:34:31,463
And at the same time I have a lot of
horror stories.

4048
03:34:32,122 --> 03:34:36,751
And I've got some that I'm going to,
you know, put into my council
comments

4049
03:34:36,818 --> 03:34:43,726
and they really deal more with the
flock company itself and the
technology

4050
03:34:43,793 --> 03:34:44,905
end of it.

4051
03:34:44,972 --> 03:34:49,201
I I think we've kind of covered the
whole idea of officer abuses.

4052
03:34:49,268 --> 03:34:53,618
I'm I don't want to sound callous,
but I suppose I'm less concerned with
that

4053
03:34:53,685 --> 03:34:58,361
because we right already we have a
lean system and lean has existed for
probably

4054
03:34:58,428 --> 03:34:59,261
your entire career?

4055
03:34:59,328 --> 03:35:00,284
Longer.

4056
03:35:00,351 --> 03:35:01,184
Or longer.

4057
03:35:01,251 --> 03:35:05,480
And you can get in trouble for using
the lean system if you're not
supposed

4058
03:35:05,547 --> 03:35:09,477
to use the lean system, and I think
that we have officers who get in
trouble

4059
03:35:09,544 --> 03:35:11,353
for using the lean system.

4060
03:35:12,148 --> 03:35:13,240
Um,

4061
03:35:13,307 --> 03:35:16,288
Can you give us what the acronym is
for that so people know

4062
03:35:16,355 --> 03:35:18,476
Law enforcement information network.

4063
03:35:18,543 --> 03:35:21,151
Okay, It's basically everything that
correlates a license plate

4064
03:35:21,218 --> 03:35:23,899
to the driver and the address.

4065
03:35:24,338 --> 03:35:27,749
That that's one of the programs that
lean provides information.

4066
03:35:27,816 --> 03:35:28,649
Yeah.

4067
03:35:28,716 --> 03:35:30,551
And and we have, you know, there's
opportunity

4068
03:35:30,618 --> 03:35:32,349
to abuse that system as well.

4069
03:35:32,416 --> 03:35:33,938
And it has been,

4070
03:35:34,005 --> 03:35:38,341
but, you know, we haven't given it up
in 50 years of having it.

4071
03:35:38,651 --> 03:35:39,563
Um,

4072
03:35:39,630 --> 03:35:42,542
So again, it's not an indictment on
an officer

4073
03:35:42,609 --> 03:35:45,329
or department or anything like that.

4074
03:35:45,396 --> 03:35:49,236
I would really just like to
concentrate on the efficacy

4075
03:35:49,303 --> 03:35:50,834
of these cameras,

4076
03:35:50,901 --> 03:35:54,079
which honestly on a return on
investment,

4077
03:35:54,408 --> 03:35:57,730
It's to me it's not there and I think
that some of what I'm going to put up

4078
03:35:57,797 --> 03:36:00,586
in my uh,

4079
03:36:00,653 --> 03:36:05,224
council um, participation will show
that.

4080
03:36:05,879 --> 03:36:10,475
The analogy that I used is that if,
um,

4081
03:36:10,542 --> 03:36:13,593
if flock were a piece of DPW
equipment

4082
03:36:13,660 --> 03:36:16,291
that we bought to plow snow,

4083
03:36:16,358 --> 03:36:20,557
but every year we weren't even
getting snow that was worth plowing,

4084
03:36:20,737 --> 03:36:23,745
we wouldn't just go out and buy it
because it existed.

4085
03:36:24,164 --> 03:36:25,027
So

4086
03:36:25,094 --> 03:36:28,705
what I'm seeing is crimelines that
dramatically have been dropping off

4087
03:36:28,772 --> 03:36:31,968
in some cases for 20 years.

4088
03:36:32,768 --> 03:36:34,186
And it's not due to flock.

4089
03:36:35,246 --> 03:36:36,598
[applause] So, I don't think we can
attribute

4090
03:36:36,665 --> 03:36:37,498
it to flock.

4091
03:36:37,565 --> 03:36:41,395
[applause]

4092
03:36:42,144 --> 03:36:44,096
And there there is too the idea that
this is these are being

4093
03:36:44,163 --> 03:36:46,291
purchased with um,

4094
03:36:46,630 --> 03:36:49,351
uh drug forfeiture funds.

4095
03:36:49,418 --> 03:36:53,189
I feel like this the flock company
must know that this is a huge

4096
03:36:53,256 --> 03:36:56,263
pot of money nationwide.

4097
03:36:56,330 --> 03:36:57,163
[laughter]

4098
03:36:57,482 --> 03:37:00,583
And this is a great way to burn off
some money that we are

4099
03:37:00,650 --> 03:37:05,908
very unfairly restricted from
spending elsewhere.

4100
03:37:05,975 --> 03:37:09,176
The money that we spend on flock that
comes out of this law enforcement

4101
03:37:09,243 --> 03:37:12,013
forfeiture fund,

4102
03:37:12,080 --> 03:37:13,892
we can't spend it on new officers.

4103
03:37:13,959 --> 03:37:17,519
We can't spend it on in some cases
better equipment.

4104
03:37:17,586 --> 03:37:19,737
We can't replace equipment.

4105
03:37:19,804 --> 03:37:22,566
There's all kinds of restrictions on
this and places that I would

4106
03:37:22,633 --> 03:37:25,569
rather spend the flock money.

4107
03:37:26,369 --> 03:37:29,460
But, you know, we're handcuffed and
it would be nice if some of those

4108
03:37:29,527 --> 03:37:31,694
handcuffs were taken off.

4109
03:37:31,761 --> 03:37:32,704
[laughter]

4110
03:37:33,583 --> 03:37:36,155
Um, and that again, that's something
that has to occur

4111
03:37:36,222 --> 03:37:38,153
at the federal level, that's not
going to get solved

4112
03:37:38,220 --> 03:37:40,297
in City Hall tonight.

4113
03:37:40,657 --> 03:37:43,649
But I also feel like, you know,
whoever's running this company

4114
03:37:43,716 --> 03:37:45,863
knows that this qualifies under

4115
03:37:47,352 --> 03:37:49,880
uh, LEF funds.

4116
03:37:49,970 --> 03:37:52,728
So, let's go rush this thing out
there.

4117
03:37:52,947 --> 03:37:55,739
And that's part of the problem really
in the slides too

4118
03:37:55,806 --> 03:37:58,137
and the YouTube presentation that I'm
going to call up

4119
03:37:58,204 --> 03:38:00,145
and give the address to

4120
03:38:00,212 --> 03:38:03,433
is that this is like beta level and
the whole idea was to just

4121
03:38:03,500 --> 03:38:06,626
get it out quick and get paid.

4122
03:38:08,312 --> 03:38:09,977
So that's where a lot of these
problems are.

4123
03:38:10,044 --> 03:38:14,870
And unfortunately, when I voted for
this, I didn't know any of that.

4124
03:38:15,409 --> 03:38:17,947
I've come to learn it and I've come
to regret my vote.

4125
03:38:18,014 --> 03:38:18,847
[applause]

4126
03:38:19,426 --> 03:38:22,786
But, you know, it we had to, we had
to kind of get to a critical mass
here.

4127
03:38:22,853 --> 03:38:26,144
I I mean, I did, you know, I hope I
can get backed up.

4128
03:38:26,211 --> 03:38:28,813
Some of the people who I think
brought everybody down here,

4129
03:38:28,880 --> 03:38:31,610
at least one of those people, I did
contact in advance

4130
03:38:31,677 --> 03:38:33,109
when we had our study session,

4131
03:38:33,176 --> 03:38:34,574
and I said, come to the study
session.

4132
03:38:35,124 --> 03:38:37,705
Because I don't like this idea of
living in this uh,

4133
03:38:37,772 --> 03:38:40,303
Fahrenheit 451, uh,

4134
03:38:40,370 --> 03:38:43,877
1984 type world.

4135
03:38:44,253 --> 03:38:47,237
I use I used older references.

4136
03:38:47,304 --> 03:38:50,361
I used older references than then
Canda used.

4137
03:38:50,428 --> 03:38:51,261
[laughter]

4138
03:38:51,940 --> 03:38:54,392
But I don't like that either. I don't
want to live in a world

4139
03:38:54,459 --> 03:38:56,191
where I've got to worry about a drone
looking over my shoulder

4140
03:38:56,258 --> 03:38:58,095
all the time.

4141
03:38:58,355 --> 03:39:00,643
And I think this kind of leads to
that.

4142
03:39:00,843 --> 03:39:03,785
So those are those are my concerns.
They're far higher and above

4143
03:39:03,852 --> 03:39:06,738
anything at our local police.

4144
03:39:07,477 --> 03:39:08,310
So,

4145
03:39:08,377 --> 03:39:12,447
um, I guess that's what I have to say
about the presentation.

4146
03:39:12,514 --> 03:39:13,347
Thank you.

4147
03:39:13,414 --> 03:39:14,247
[applause]
Okay.

4148
03:39:14,314 --> 03:39:18,734
[applause]

4149
03:39:19,403 --> 03:39:21,246
just to uh clarify real quick just so
there is no

4150
03:39:21,313 --> 03:39:23,003
misunderstanding.

4151
03:39:23,070 --> 03:39:28,349
Uh, with McCollum County's uh use of
the 32 flock cameras.

4152
03:39:28,416 --> 03:39:30,738
McColm County, a lot of our
communities in McColm County

4153
03:39:30,805 --> 03:39:32,436
are townships.

4154
03:39:32,503 --> 03:39:34,435
So you have Clinton Township,
Chesterville Township,

4155
03:39:34,502 --> 03:39:35,643
McColm Township.

4156
03:39:35,710 --> 03:39:38,232
Those are actually taking care of by
the McColm County

4157
03:39:38,299 --> 03:39:40,319
Sheriff's department.

4158
03:39:40,386 --> 03:39:43,827
So those they're not municipalities,
so those townships utilize the

4159
03:39:43,894 --> 03:39:47,114
cameras based upon the county.

4160
03:39:47,181 --> 03:39:52,889
None of them cities actually will
have the county flock cameras in
them.

4161
03:39:52,956 --> 03:39:55,218
So I think it would be unique that if
the county wanted to put

4162
03:39:55,285 --> 03:39:57,705
them in our city, I don't think that
would necessarily go.

4163
03:39:57,772 --> 03:40:00,114
It's the townships that they are
servicing and providing the police

4164
03:40:00,181 --> 03:40:01,882
service for.

4165
03:40:01,949 --> 03:40:03,351
I agree with you.

4166
03:40:03,418 --> 03:40:06,169
And in fact, when I learned how many
were in the county,

4167
03:40:06,236 --> 03:40:08,508
I immediately thought this is going
to be everybody, every Township
that's

4168
03:40:08,575 --> 03:40:11,534
patrolled and doesn't have an
established police department.

4169
03:40:11,601 --> 03:40:12,438
Right, that's correct.

4170
03:40:12,505 --> 03:40:14,842
But, having said that,

4171
03:40:14,912 --> 03:40:17,662
if it's a county road and they own
the

4172
03:40:17,729 --> 03:40:19,947
I don't think there's anything that

4173
03:40:20,014 --> 03:40:22,495
stops them from putting the camera
up.

4174
03:40:22,562 --> 03:40:26,126
So, all you out there that are here

4175
03:40:26,193 --> 03:40:29,523
[applause]

4176
03:40:29,590 --> 03:40:30,652
Yeah, I'm good.

4177
03:40:30,719 --> 03:40:32,118
Mr. Rabel.

4178
03:40:33,197 --> 03:40:34,836
Uh, thank you, Mayor.

4179
03:40:35,415 --> 03:40:38,805
I think one of the points here.

4180
03:40:38,872 --> 03:40:42,540
I, every, every sort of city, I
think,

4181
03:40:43,029 --> 03:40:46,379
has its own makeup. And there's some

4182
03:40:46,446 --> 03:40:50,026
towns that probably like this stuff,

4183
03:40:50,093 --> 03:40:52,824
and there's some it doesn't, it that

4184
03:40:52,891 --> 03:40:56,948
don't go for it, okay? I always
thought

4185
03:40:57,448 --> 03:41:01,247
that, uh, when I first saw the
program,

4186
03:41:01,314 --> 03:41:04,055
I, I learned everything really in the

4187
03:41:04,122 --> 03:41:05,974
last two and a half weeks. I thought

4188
03:41:06,041 --> 03:41:09,392
that this was a great thing. And one

4189
03:41:09,459 --> 03:41:10,966
thing, um, it seems to me that

4190
03:41:11,033 --> 03:41:14,804
chief's taken a little heat here, but

4191
03:41:15,010 --> 03:41:15,843
it ain't that man's fault because
five

4192
03:41:15,910 --> 03:41:18,930
of us placed votes to put these
things

4193
03:41:18,997 --> 03:41:21,435
in, okay? 100%. So, he's a good man

4194
03:41:21,965 --> 03:41:23,597
and if anyone's to blame right now,

4195
03:41:23,664 --> 03:41:25,516
it would be us, okay? So, you're a
good

4196
03:41:25,583 --> 03:41:26,664
[applause]

4197
03:41:26,731 --> 03:41:30,158
[applause] So, I know you're sort of

4198
03:41:30,598 --> 03:41:33,016
sitting up at the podium there and
you

4199
03:41:33,636 --> 03:41:35,724
gotta take a little bit but we put
'em

4200
03:41:36,253 --> 03:41:37,692
in. You did not, okay? So, um,

4201
03:41:38,821 --> 03:41:41,972
to me people don't have to hit me
over

4202
03:41:42,039 --> 03:41:45,456
the head, uh, too many times. I

4203
03:41:45,976 --> 03:41:48,886
probably have taken a few too many.

4204
03:41:48,953 --> 03:41:51,840
But I hear the words, you know,

4205
03:41:51,907 --> 03:41:54,119
sabotage, hacks, you get viruses, AI,

4206
03:41:54,209 --> 03:41:59,045
this stuff's not contained. And the,

4207
03:41:59,505 --> 03:42:02,043
and the really the, the big point to

4208
03:42:02,802 --> 03:42:04,811
me is, um, it's the common question,

4209
03:42:06,489 --> 03:42:09,966
safety versus how much privacy will
you

4210
03:42:10,346 --> 03:42:13,134
give up for it, okay? And to me it

4211
03:42:14,563 --> 03:42:19,332
looks like, uh, people here like
their

4212
03:42:19,399 --> 03:42:20,232
[applause] I get it.

4213
03:42:20,299 --> 03:42:22,184
[applause]

4214
03:42:22,251 --> 03:42:25,861
I think there, I think that part sort

4215
03:42:25,928 --> 03:42:30,104
of been left out a little bit because

4216
03:42:30,304 --> 03:42:32,741
it's really not about how much those

4217
03:42:32,808 --> 03:42:35,370
cameras catch because when I first

4218
03:42:35,540 --> 03:42:38,757
heard about it, my God, what a great

4219
03:42:39,007 --> 03:42:41,258
tool to catch the bad guys. But then

4220
03:42:41,325 --> 03:42:43,413
as we sort of got a little bit deeper

4221
03:42:43,480 --> 03:42:46,164
into it, and people start looking at,

4222
03:42:46,231 --> 03:42:49,851
well, we're, you know, there's some,

4223
03:42:49,918 --> 03:42:53,179
there's some American rights that

4224
03:42:53,246 --> 03:42:55,624
they're looking at giving up. And

4225
03:42:55,944 --> 03:42:57,276
there's people that don't want to do

4226
03:42:57,692 --> 03:43:00,579
it. They'll live with a little bit,
uh,

4227
03:43:00,646 --> 03:43:03,078
less safety. And I, that's, that's
how

4228
03:43:03,418 --> 03:43:08,793
it goes. So, um, I voted, uh, yes for

4229
03:43:09,093 --> 03:43:12,563
this. Heck, I might even been the the

4230
03:43:12,630 --> 03:43:13,912
guy that made the motion for it,
okay?

4231
03:43:13,979 --> 03:43:18,155
But I learned as I went that, listen,

4232
03:43:18,222 --> 03:43:20,464
this, this town ain't going for it.

4233
03:43:20,544 --> 03:43:21,876
And, um, and there's, and there's

4234
03:43:22,153 --> 03:43:24,803
plenty of towns that aren't going for

4235
03:43:24,870 --> 03:43:27,059
it. And that's no fault of yours,

4236
03:43:27,139 --> 03:43:31,504
okay? That's five people's up here's

4237
03:43:31,571 --> 03:43:34,783
fault who are there to vote for it.

4238
03:43:34,872 --> 03:43:37,499
So, you misuse hacks, like

4239
03:43:37,566 --> 03:43:38,942
everything else it seems that, you

4240
03:43:39,009 --> 03:43:42,160
know, you might have something good
you

4241
03:43:42,227 --> 03:43:45,454
thought and then it gets it, it you

4242
03:43:45,974 --> 03:43:49,191
lose it, it gets out of control. And

4243
03:43:49,870 --> 03:43:53,976
it turns into a bad thing, much like

4244
03:43:54,043 --> 03:43:58,087
the the internet or something like

4245
03:43:58,154 --> 03:44:01,640
that. It's a great tool for for

4246
03:44:01,707 --> 03:44:04,432
research and history, but then some

4247
03:44:04,499 --> 03:44:06,676
people don't use it, uh, the right

4248
03:44:06,743 --> 03:44:10,427
way. So, I don't want to keep going

4249
03:44:10,494 --> 03:44:14,411
with it. But I get it. It took me and

4250
03:44:15,550 --> 03:44:19,046
I've had conversations with some
people

4251
03:44:19,113 --> 03:44:21,174
up here. I thought it was a great,

4252
03:44:21,241 --> 03:44:25,785
great crime fighting tool. But it
looks

4253
03:44:25,852 --> 03:44:27,699
like it's gone sideways and so many

4254
03:44:27,766 --> 03:44:31,566
cases. I don't, I'm not going to

4255
03:44:31,633 --> 03:44:34,515
rehash them all, but um, you know,

4256
03:44:34,911 --> 03:44:36,059
[laughter, applause]
Yeah.

4257
03:44:36,126 --> 03:44:38,075
big government, it's all the sort of

4258
03:44:38,142 --> 03:44:40,899
the things that people talk about.
And

4259
03:44:40,966 --> 03:44:45,626
that's the world we live in right now

4260
03:44:45,936 --> 03:44:50,411
and, uh, people want their privacy, I

4261
03:44:50,478 --> 03:44:52,963
guess, more than their than, you
know,

4262
03:44:53,030 --> 03:44:54,931
what they think, uh, a safety camera

4263
03:44:54,998 --> 03:44:58,994
can do for them. So that's sort of

4264
03:44:59,061 --> 03:45:02,392
where I stand. If I could, you know,

4265
03:45:02,762 --> 03:45:04,094
I, I would air on the side of
covering

4266
03:45:04,271 --> 03:45:06,549
the things up right now or or

4267
03:45:06,699 --> 03:45:07,641
trashing them or whatever you do.

4268
03:45:07,708 --> 03:45:11,215
Um, thanks, Mayor. So, yeah, I did, I

4269
03:45:11,655 --> 03:45:13,014
did vote for it. And, uh,

4270
03:45:13,428 --> 03:45:15,906
I do want uh more information.

4271
03:45:16,965 --> 03:45:19,506
And I know it's good theater to say
that,

4272
03:45:19,573 --> 03:45:21,464
you know, the flock salesman will
come down

4273
03:45:21,531 --> 03:45:23,410
and we can beat him up and all that,

4274
03:45:23,499 --> 03:45:25,061
but at the end of the day,

4275
03:45:25,128 --> 03:45:26,780
I want the tech guy here.

4276
03:45:26,847 --> 03:45:31,176
I want to know what these guys are
doing, what the long-term strategy is
for that company.

4277
03:45:31,243 --> 03:45:33,135
I want way more information.

4278
03:45:33,202 --> 03:45:35,833
This might hang on. This might
actually

4279
03:45:35,900 --> 03:45:38,088
get stuff out in the open.

4280
03:45:38,208 --> 03:45:40,918
I think St. Clair Shores one of those

4281
03:45:40,985 --> 03:45:42,357
towns that says, hey, look,

4282
03:45:42,424 --> 03:45:45,095
we got more information from them.

4283
03:45:45,162 --> 03:45:47,380
And it was good or it was bad, I'm
not even sure.

4284
03:45:48,449 --> 03:45:51,267
Uh, I'm not 100% convinced that uh,

4285
03:45:52,256 --> 03:45:54,398
that, you know, the, you know, where
do we draw the line

4286
03:45:54,465 --> 03:45:57,175
for the safety

4287
03:45:57,242 --> 03:45:59,074
versus, you know, rights.

4288
03:45:59,141 --> 03:46:01,752
I I know we've got I I know it
happens

4289
03:46:01,819 --> 03:46:03,570
and I appreciate all of you folks

4290
03:46:03,637 --> 03:46:06,138
coming here tonight and and voicing
your opinion.

4291
03:46:06,205 --> 03:46:08,267
But we do know that, you know, you

4292
03:46:08,334 --> 03:46:11,244
you don't there's a lot of people
aren't going to show up and go,

4293
03:46:11,311 --> 03:46:12,583
oh, we want to keep the canvas.

4294
03:46:12,650 --> 03:46:14,691
Right? That's just not how this
works.

4295
03:46:14,758 --> 03:46:18,156
We've been up here I've been up here
a long time, and seen it many times.

4296
03:46:18,396 --> 03:46:20,117
But at the end of the day,

4297
03:46:20,184 --> 03:46:23,232
I think we'd we need a lot more
information.

4298
03:46:23,441 --> 03:46:25,693
Um, I know, you know, you know,

4299
03:46:25,760 --> 03:46:27,311
I know a lot of our guys that are

4300
03:46:27,378 --> 03:46:31,108
and gals that are out there doing
doing the on the job every day.

4301
03:46:31,175 --> 03:46:32,987
You've been awesome. They're awesome.

4302
03:46:33,054 --> 03:46:37,160
We've had no problems in our in our
house at all.

4303
03:46:37,380 --> 03:46:40,820
But like like Dave and and many
people said here, we, you know,

4304
03:46:40,887 --> 03:46:42,199
we have no control over anybody else.

4305
03:46:42,266 --> 03:46:46,426
So, how do we how do we get control?

4306
03:46:46,493 --> 03:46:48,414
How do we get beyond that?

4307
03:46:48,481 --> 03:46:50,753
How do we how do we take the next
step?

4308
03:46:50,820 --> 03:46:54,070
And if it means taking them down or
covering them up or whatever,

4309
03:46:54,137 --> 03:46:55,719
then I'm I'm okay with that too.

4310
03:46:55,786 --> 03:46:58,284
But I want to I want more
information.

4311
03:46:58,603 --> 03:47:02,923
If there's a way we can get the tech
guy here or or the CEO or somebody.

4312
03:47:02,990 --> 03:47:03,823
[laughter]

4313
03:47:03,929 --> 03:47:06,000
Somebody that's on that.

4314
03:47:06,067 --> 03:47:07,616
Some somebody that

4315
03:47:07,916 --> 03:47:11,656
So it's so it's not it's not Fox 2
here or or whatever,

4316
03:47:11,723 --> 03:47:14,234
It you know, maybe it's may maybe
it's

4317
03:47:14,301 --> 03:47:16,749
Fox National or CNN or somebody like
that.

4318
03:47:17,688 --> 03:47:21,725
It's a it's a bigger thing to ask
those folks the questions

4319
03:47:21,935 --> 03:47:25,232
and have them lie on camera if that's
what you think they're going to do,

4320
03:47:25,622 --> 03:47:30,501
then it is for them to not come at
all because we think it'll be funny,
right?

4321
03:47:30,568 --> 03:47:33,398
So, I guess I want more information.

4322
03:47:33,465 --> 03:47:35,694
I want I want to take that part to
the next step.

4323
03:47:35,973 --> 03:47:38,042
And then and then let's see what
happens.

4324
03:47:38,421 --> 03:47:42,041
So, what what I hear here is that
from a

4325
03:47:42,108 --> 03:47:45,206
number is that we we cover them
immediately.

4326
03:47:46,175 --> 03:47:48,686
Uh, we we cover we cover them.

4327
03:47:48,753 --> 03:47:55,468
[applause]

4328
03:47:55,618 --> 03:47:57,416
We we

4329
03:47:58,226 --> 03:48:01,466
We I I think we need to put a time
frame

4330
03:48:01,533 --> 03:48:03,165
so that so everyone knows that we

4331
03:48:03,232 --> 03:48:04,663
we cover them for at least I think

4332
03:48:04,730 --> 03:48:05,952
you got to cover them for six months.

4333
03:48:06,019 --> 03:48:07,711
I think you got to cover up rights,

4334
03:48:07,778 --> 03:48:10,858
there's there's time so that everyone
knows that these are these are on
here

4335
03:48:10,925 --> 03:48:12,207
for at least six months,

4336
03:48:12,274 --> 03:48:15,605
which is, you know, we'll pick a
meeting in March, right, that we

4337
03:48:15,672 --> 03:48:17,273
would put it this back on the agenda

4338
03:48:17,340 --> 03:48:20,840
and they cannot be removed till it
comes back to an agenda item here,

4339
03:48:20,907 --> 03:48:22,519
like we have here.

4340
03:48:22,586 --> 03:48:25,267
We could then make the next decision

4341
03:48:25,334 --> 03:48:27,275
whether it's to continue to keep
cover them, take them all down

4342
03:48:27,342 --> 03:48:29,583
or, you know, use flock. I don't
know, right?

4343
03:48:29,650 --> 03:48:32,971
But I I think that's a thought that
we would we we would do.

4344
03:48:33,038 --> 03:48:35,086
Six six months must be back.

4345
03:48:35,496 --> 03:48:37,517
Can't take can't take the bags off
till

4346
03:48:37,584 --> 03:48:39,885
they comes to to a next council
meeting

4347
03:48:39,952 --> 03:48:42,780
with an agenda item that can't be
removed.

4348
03:48:43,449 --> 03:48:46,857
that's a directive we can give and
and Miss Burgess.

4349
03:48:47,946 --> 03:49:06,851
[applause]

4350
03:49:07,360 --> 03:49:11,250
I would like to add, though, during
that six months, we will do

4351
03:49:11,317 --> 03:49:13,925
investigation, we'll, for sure.

4352
03:49:14,045 --> 03:49:15,756
you know, do our due diligence.

4353
03:49:15,823 --> 03:49:18,122
So we're not just waiting till March
and no.

4354
03:49:18,251 --> 03:49:20,969
No, there's there's I just wanted to
make sure that they knew that.

4355
03:49:26,125 --> 03:49:27,977
We we are we that here

4356
03:49:28,044 --> 03:49:30,721
Miss said about investigation.

4357
03:49:30,891 --> 03:49:32,493
Mr. F, you'll have your chance

4358
03:49:32,560 --> 03:49:35,518
under audience under under audience
participation.

4359
03:49:37,086 --> 03:49:38,728
So, are we good with that directive,
yes?

4360
03:49:38,795 --> 03:49:41,076
Uh, Chief and Mr. Lent, are we we
good?

4361
03:49:41,143 --> 03:49:43,931
of this body here? I mean, that's
what, yeah.

4362
03:49:46,429 --> 03:49:48,660
let's let's make it the second
meeting in March.

4363
03:49:48,727 --> 03:49:51,055
So that we're that we all understand

4364
03:49:52,464 --> 03:49:54,203
the date, which is 2026.

4365
03:49:54,383 --> 03:49:55,974
2027, 27.

4366
03:49:56,041 --> 03:49:57,770
27.

4367
03:50:00,857 --> 03:50:03,136
Teak, thank you. Okay, thank you.

4368
03:50:03,445 --> 03:50:04,944
[laughter]

4369
03:50:06,013 --> 03:50:11,072
Uh, number item item item 11 is uh
comments by individual council
members.

4370
03:50:11,139 --> 03:50:12,638
uh, Mr. Rebel.

4371
03:50:14,873 --> 03:50:16,195
Hello, Bonnie.

4372
03:50:16,262 --> 03:50:18,340
[laughter]
I don't wanna do it. It's good.

4373
03:50:18,570 --> 03:50:20,112
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

4374
03:50:20,179 --> 03:50:22,657
You're you're done. Headquartered 11.

4375
03:50:23,506 --> 03:50:25,587
All right, we will move on.

4376
03:50:25,654 --> 03:50:30,084
Mark that down. Yes, I'm Mark that
down. Mark that down.

4377
03:50:30,151 --> 03:50:31,353
Miss Rooney.

4378
03:50:31,420 --> 03:50:34,780
Uh, just a quick thank you to
everybody for the Apple pie.

4379
03:50:34,847 --> 03:50:38,817
we get the senior center. It's a big
fundraiser for the meal program.

4380
03:50:38,884 --> 03:50:41,145
Uh first off, thank you to all the
purchasers who helped make this

4381
03:50:41,212 --> 03:50:42,684
program successful.

4382
03:50:42,751 --> 03:50:45,082
and especially a big thank you to the
staff and all the volunteers

4383
03:50:45,149 --> 03:50:48,469
who spend a week peeling, coring,
slicing apples, baking

4384
03:50:48,536 --> 03:50:51,567
over a thousand pies.

4385
03:50:51,634 --> 03:50:53,915
And uh again, this is a big
fundraiser for the meal program

4386
03:50:53,982 --> 03:50:55,813
at the senior center.

4387
03:50:55,880 --> 03:50:58,021
Uh, I was there every single day.

4388
03:50:58,088 --> 03:51:00,549
I worked beside people who are also
there every single day.

4389
03:51:00,616 --> 03:51:02,158
Dave was there I think three or four
days.

4390
03:51:02,225 --> 03:51:04,017
just peeling, slicing,

4391
03:51:04,084 --> 03:51:07,334
like over, like what was it, like a
hundred bushels of apples.

4392
03:51:07,401 --> 03:51:09,213
It was a lot and uh

4393
03:51:09,280 --> 03:51:11,491
it's all over, pies were delicious,
it was successful

4394
03:51:11,558 --> 03:51:15,487
and it helps subsidize the meal
program to provide seniors with

4395
03:51:15,554 --> 03:51:17,646
hot lunches in uh at the center.

4396
03:51:17,713 --> 03:51:19,354
so, thank you to everybody for that.

4397
03:51:19,421 --> 03:51:20,713
I have one sec. Thank you.

4398
03:51:20,780 --> 03:51:22,719
[applause]

4399
03:51:23,098 --> 03:51:25,370
Thank you. Because I won't have a
chance to probably ever do this

4400
03:51:25,437 --> 03:51:27,865
again, but

4401
03:51:29,194 --> 03:51:31,362
It's September 4th, 21st.

4402
03:51:32,201 --> 03:51:35,958
Body, uh, I don't know if you guys
know what that would insinuate.

4403
03:51:36,787 --> 03:51:38,319
The 21st night of September.

4404
03:51:38,386 --> 03:51:40,637
I'll pick it up for you, Dave. I know
what you mean. All right.

4405
03:51:40,704 --> 03:51:43,182
Uh, Mr. Keren.

4406
03:51:43,762 --> 03:51:46,400
I'm trying to recover from whatever
that comment was.

4407
03:51:46,909 --> 03:51:48,488
[laughter]

4408
03:51:49,258 --> 03:51:50,966
Do you remember?

4409
03:51:51,566 --> 03:51:53,567
That's so Alexander Street.

4410
03:51:53,634 --> 03:51:56,405
I know that is slated for uhm, the
road paving to begin

4411
03:51:56,472 --> 03:51:58,593
within a couple of weeks.

4412
03:51:58,660 --> 03:52:00,951
I did get a concern from the
resident.

4413
03:52:01,018 --> 03:52:04,588
Uhm, normally a street repair or
street replacement, we do one lane

4414
03:52:04,655 --> 03:52:07,853
on one side then we come back and do
the other lane.

4415
03:52:08,352 --> 03:52:11,982
This one in accordance from the email
I got from uh Nancy

4416
03:52:12,049 --> 03:52:14,740
Engineering this morning.

4417
03:52:14,807 --> 03:52:16,748
Uh, we're doing both sides at once

4418
03:52:16,815 --> 03:52:19,483
in the attempt to get it done
quicker.

4419
03:52:19,913 --> 03:52:24,352
full width paving so that way it gets
done, cured within seven days,

4420
03:52:24,419 --> 03:52:26,787
and people can begin to drive on it
again.

4421
03:52:26,997 --> 03:52:29,898
But that will be more inconvenient
for the resident.

4422
03:52:29,965 --> 03:52:33,995
So, ask you to, you know, I believe a
letter went out to the residents

4423
03:52:34,062 --> 03:52:38,748
telling them the restrictions of what
the full width paving will mean.

4424
03:52:39,447 --> 03:52:41,529
Okay. Okay.

4425
03:52:41,596 --> 03:52:42,984
So,

4426
03:52:43,254 --> 03:52:45,985
We may want to deliver, so they're
delivered in August.

4427
03:52:46,052 --> 03:52:48,950
but we may want to deliver them
again, just so the people are aware.

4428
03:52:49,150 --> 03:52:53,379
Uhm, and also to make sure if there's
anybody that has mobility issues,

4429
03:52:53,446 --> 03:52:55,497
uhm, that they are being taken care
of.

4430
03:52:55,564 --> 03:52:59,114
that their neighbors are aware, where
they're at and can help out.

4431
03:52:59,181 --> 03:53:01,373
Uhm, I know one of the gentlemen that
was here at the town hall

4432
03:53:01,440 --> 03:53:03,411
we did back in May, they did say yet
a neighbor that would need help

4433
03:53:03,478 --> 03:53:05,639
for things like that.

4434
03:53:05,706 --> 03:53:09,067
So, make sure that handsy reaches out
to everybody to understand

4435
03:53:09,134 --> 03:53:12,231
if there's any potential concern
anywhere in that street.

4436
03:53:12,441 --> 03:53:15,289
And that since that's typically not
what we do.

4437
03:53:15,738 --> 03:53:20,507
All right. Uhm, next in terms of the
uh muck cleanup.

4438
03:53:20,574 --> 03:53:23,545
want to thank Representative St.
Germain for uh, anyone speaking

4439
03:53:23,612 --> 03:53:26,622
earlier, but also staying for the
entire meeting.

4440
03:53:26,689 --> 03:53:29,940
Uhm, Yes, you got so many.

4441
03:53:30,007 --> 03:53:32,738
You you actually got more assignments
out of this meeting than we did.

4442
03:53:32,805 --> 03:53:34,116
Amazingly.

4443
03:53:34,183 --> 03:53:36,315
Uhm, but to your muck cleaner.

4444
03:53:36,382 --> 03:53:39,812
since I'm currently going through the
permitting process for that

4445
03:53:39,879 --> 03:53:42,160
with both Eagle and Army Corps,

4446
03:53:42,227 --> 03:53:44,938
uhm, once I get through it, once I
actually get the permits,

4447
03:53:45,005 --> 03:53:46,584
I'm going to have so many suggestions
for you.

4448
03:53:46,803 --> 03:53:47,865
in that for that bill.

4449
03:53:47,932 --> 03:53:49,801
So, uhm, hang on for that.

4450
03:53:50,341 --> 03:53:51,363
And last thing,

4451
03:53:51,430 --> 03:53:55,030
Uhm, sent an email a couple of weeks
ago regarding the trash

4452
03:53:55,097 --> 03:53:57,278
capture device that was installed

4453
03:53:57,345 --> 03:54:01,525
on the Stevens drain that the city is
responsible for uh or agreed

4454
03:54:01,592 --> 03:54:04,502
to be responsible for retrieving the
trash.

4455
03:54:04,569 --> 03:54:08,366
And I asked for a plan for when that
would be done.

4456
03:54:08,816 --> 03:54:11,257
and did not get a reply back on that
one.

4457
03:54:11,324 --> 03:54:14,564
But basically my observations of it
after every storm that gets a

4458
03:54:14,631 --> 03:54:17,662
half inch, there's enough flow out of
that drain where it will push

4459
03:54:17,729 --> 03:54:20,796
trash and get captured.

4460
03:54:20,876 --> 03:54:23,737
Uhm, so we just got to set up a
timetable of when DPW will go down

4461
03:54:23,804 --> 03:54:26,302
to retrieve that.

4462
03:54:27,241 --> 03:54:30,152
Brian's not here, but I know that I
think him and Jeff and Russ were

4463
03:54:30,219 --> 03:54:33,929
We're working on that, we're working
on a capture plan. Yes.

4464
03:54:33,996 --> 03:54:37,553
Okay. All right. And that's it. Thank
you.

4465
03:54:39,101 --> 03:54:40,673
Mr. Farrow, I'm gonna step out for
one second.

4466
03:54:40,740 --> 03:54:44,010
Do after you're done, you can keep.
Okay. We'll keep it going. All right.

4467
03:54:44,077 --> 03:54:44,910
Thanks, Mayor.

4468
03:54:44,977 --> 03:54:46,511
You stay in there because I'm I'm the
official Mayor Pro Tem

4469
03:54:46,578 --> 03:54:48,597
right now, so.

4470
03:54:48,747 --> 03:54:50,615
I'll give the gabel too. [laughter]

4471
03:54:51,415 --> 03:54:53,196
Uhm, I've only got two very short
things.

4472
03:54:53,263 --> 03:54:55,564
Uh the first one is I usually give a
library uh

4473
03:54:55,631 --> 03:54:57,842
announcement and the announcement is

4474
03:54:57,909 --> 03:55:01,509
the library is going to be open on
Saturday, right? So.

4475
03:55:01,576 --> 03:55:03,858
[applause]

4476
03:55:03,925 --> 03:55:06,076
Next Saturday. Next Saturday.

4477
03:55:06,143 --> 03:55:08,174
Next Saturday. Not this Saturday.

4478
03:55:08,241 --> 03:55:10,409
take any of that back. Next Saturday.

4479
03:55:10,999 --> 03:55:12,887
It's in October, October.

4480
03:55:14,178 --> 03:55:15,830
So, but that's the exciting thing.

4481
03:55:15,897 --> 03:55:18,428
It it's been light at the end of the
tunnel.

4482
03:55:18,495 --> 03:55:21,935
Uh, new new genealogy department in
there. We got Maker space,

4483
03:55:22,002 --> 03:55:23,344
kids, teens.

4484
03:55:23,411 --> 03:55:26,611
It's all it looks so good. Uh, Can I

4485
03:55:26,678 --> 03:55:30,258
and and our city manager, we're on
we're on the on the committee that

4486
03:55:30,325 --> 03:55:31,637
uh worked on this.

4487
03:55:31,704 --> 03:55:35,664
And uh, you know, a lot of bumps in
the road, but my God, we got it
through.

4488
03:55:35,731 --> 03:55:37,702
And we also want to thank the state.

4489
03:55:37,769 --> 03:55:42,109
Uh, I know uh, Alicia, you and and
Maizong and all that got us uh a

4490
03:55:42,176 --> 03:55:44,447
half a million dollars to help with
the library.

4491
03:55:44,514 --> 03:55:48,334
See, this this is why we we do these
studies and things like that

4492
03:55:48,401 --> 03:55:51,102
so that we can call them and go, by
the way, look, we do need it.

4493
03:55:51,169 --> 03:55:53,200
because somebody figured it out that
we needed it.

4494
03:55:53,267 --> 03:55:55,658
So, thank you everybody that that
participated in that.

4495
03:55:55,725 --> 03:55:58,263
And then the last thing is, uh,

4496
03:55:58,343 --> 03:56:02,380
I got a note from um our folks at the
Fire Department.

4497
03:56:02,999 --> 03:56:06,150
that says uh St. Clair Shores Fire
Department, Fire Prevention Week

4498
03:56:06,217 --> 03:56:09,077
open house, celebrating our 99th
anniversary.

4499
03:56:09,144 --> 03:56:12,951
99 years. We have to give them
another proclamation next year.

4500
03:56:13,371 --> 03:56:16,721
Um, Central Fire Station, everybody
knows where that is.

4501
03:56:16,788 --> 03:56:20,858
27600 Harper Avenue is also going to
be open October 3rd for

4502
03:56:20,925 --> 03:56:23,626
an open house, 11:00 a.m. to 3:00
p.m.

4503
03:56:23,693 --> 03:56:25,994
Uh, tons of fire safety information
and more. There'll be

4504
03:56:26,061 --> 03:56:27,563
a lot of stuff for the kids.

4505
03:56:27,630 --> 03:56:29,761
Refreshments, you get to walk through
the place.

4506
03:56:29,828 --> 03:56:34,487
And it is, if you haven't gone
through it yet, it's worth the trip.

4507
03:56:34,554 --> 03:56:36,825
This is this is state of the art.

4508
03:56:36,892 --> 03:56:40,942
Uh, I give my buddy here, Mr. Vitaly
credit for coming up with

4509
03:56:41,009 --> 03:56:43,610
the Hazmet, the Hazmat showers.

4510
03:56:43,677 --> 03:56:46,657
And Dave too, to make sure that when
they go to a flyer and they

4511
03:56:46,724 --> 03:56:49,375
come back, they can they can get all
those carcinogens off of them.

4512
03:56:49,442 --> 03:56:51,341
My kid's a firefighter.

4513
03:56:51,610 --> 03:56:53,492
He's jawing in my ear a lot about
this stuff.

4514
03:56:53,559 --> 03:56:56,110
So, I appreciate you taking care of
our guys and and gals.

4515
03:56:56,177 --> 03:56:57,825
And by the way, the two separate
lacrooms.

4516
03:56:58,385 --> 03:57:01,123
How nice that that'll be for them,
right?

4517
03:57:02,721 --> 03:57:05,222
And then uh and that also is going to
be the refreshments are

4518
03:57:05,289 --> 03:57:10,158
going to be provided by the Union,
Fire Fighter's Union number 1744,

4519
03:57:10,225 --> 03:57:13,423
and they're celebrating their 59th
anniversary.

4520
03:57:13,653 --> 03:57:17,480
So that's all I have. Mr. Vitali,
you're next. What have you got?

4521
03:57:17,620 --> 03:57:21,090
Um, well, while the Assistant City
manager slowly boots up the

4522
03:57:21,157 --> 03:57:22,745
PowerPoints dot.

4523
03:57:22,905 --> 03:57:25,486
I'm I'm going to just acknowledge
because I know Dave is dying over
here.

4524
03:57:25,553 --> 03:57:28,411
21st of September, Earthwind and
Fire.

4525
03:57:29,740 --> 03:57:34,636
The chorus was come up with by a St.
Clair Shores resident.

4526
03:57:36,884 --> 03:57:40,541
What's your St. Clair Shores
connection?

4527
03:57:40,921 --> 03:57:42,759
She had a St. Clair Shores
connection?

4528
03:57:43,439 --> 03:57:46,519
Ali Willis lived in here. Yes.

4529
03:57:46,586 --> 03:57:49,184
Okay. Good enough. All right, let's
move on.

4530
03:57:49,864 --> 03:57:52,365
Do you remember Do you remember this
every 21st well, I guess

4531
03:57:52,432 --> 03:57:53,950
not every 21st of September, but

4532
03:57:54,840 --> 03:57:57,960
All right, so, you know, this is the
result of a little bit of

4533
03:57:58,027 --> 03:57:58,860
flock research I did.

4534
03:57:58,927 --> 03:58:00,969
I'll be honest with you, I found

4535
03:58:01,036 --> 03:58:03,087
probably I watch a lot of these
videos.

4536
03:58:03,154 --> 03:58:05,745
I found probably the best video on
this.

4537
03:58:05,812 --> 03:58:07,541
That is just full of questions.

4538
03:58:07,980 --> 03:58:11,820
And if you want to Google it, it's we
we hacked Flock AT&T

4539
03:58:11,887 --> 03:58:13,359
camera in under 30 seconds.

4540
03:58:13,426 --> 03:58:15,174
Put that in YouTube.

4541
03:58:15,874 --> 03:58:17,775
Because that's a really deep dive in
it

4542
03:58:17,842 --> 03:58:20,113
and some of the things that were done
with this.

4543
03:58:20,180 --> 03:58:23,411
I can only assume that, you know,
he's got congressmen and Senate

4544
03:58:23,478 --> 03:58:26,256
people that are interested in this.

4545
03:58:26,535 --> 03:58:29,283
Um, and and even one of those things
is that,

4546
03:58:29,553 --> 03:58:32,813
in one of the I think Carlton, Texas,
they were able to actually

4547
03:58:32,880 --> 03:58:37,609
go in hack into the actual police
database, pull up where

4548
03:58:37,676 --> 03:58:41,403
the patrol cars were because they
have GPS on them.

4549
03:58:41,673 --> 03:58:44,394
And then actually get the officer's
identities and their addresses

4550
03:58:44,461 --> 03:58:46,489
and everything too.

4551
03:58:46,959 --> 03:58:50,629
So, this appears to be a very
hackable system.

4552
03:58:50,696 --> 03:58:53,447
And and some of the things the
security experts talk about is

4553
03:58:53,514 --> 03:58:55,845
that they can't believe how
vulnerable this thing is.

4554
03:58:55,912 --> 03:59:00,421
That it the so-called two two-factor
authentication is

4555
03:59:00,488 --> 03:59:05,377
pretty primitive actually that you
can just sit there with a Wi-Fi

4556
03:59:05,444 --> 03:59:07,346
antenna and get that.

4557
03:59:07,413 --> 03:59:09,764
There are much higher levels of
security.

4558
03:59:09,831 --> 03:59:12,951
I know that from a bank account I
have, I actually have to have a

4559
03:59:13,018 --> 03:59:15,389
like a chip transponder in order to
be able to pull money out of

4560
03:59:15,456 --> 03:59:16,958
that account.

4561
03:59:17,025 --> 03:59:21,851
And they don't even have that for
this flock flock identification.

4562
03:59:22,121 --> 03:59:25,411
But I also want to just count on this
quite honestly, from a

4563
03:59:25,478 --> 03:59:29,125
return on investment standpoint. So
you go to the next slide.

4564
03:59:29,515 --> 03:59:33,275
I mean, these are these are met this
is Detroit City property

4565
03:59:33,342 --> 03:59:40,336
homicide rates, which are actually
now where they were at in the 60s.

4566
03:59:41,255 --> 03:59:46,771
And the smaller chart in there is
actually um gunshot.

4567
03:59:47,001 --> 03:59:48,922
So everything's way down.

4568
03:59:48,989 --> 03:59:51,797
And they're a neighboring community,
so that's important to us.

4569
03:59:52,067 --> 03:59:53,566
You go to the next one, please.

4570
03:59:54,095 --> 03:59:56,873
And this is this is St. Clair Shores
homicides.

4571
03:59:57,153 --> 04:00:01,672
And that is a what is that? Goes from
2003 to 26.

4572
04:00:01,739 --> 04:00:05,906
And we've never gone above one, and
there's a lot of space in those.

4573
04:00:06,605 --> 04:00:09,676
So, we're pretty safe community when
it comes to that.

4574
04:00:09,743 --> 04:00:11,241
If you can go to the next one.

4575
04:00:12,349 --> 04:00:15,908
motor vehicle theft. And for this
one, I went back to 203.

4576
04:00:15,975 --> 04:00:17,686
You see where it was.

4577
04:00:17,753 --> 04:00:19,655
And you see where the trend is.

4578
04:00:19,722 --> 04:00:21,766
And when you actually get down to
like the last couple years,

4579
04:00:21,833 --> 04:00:24,848
it doesn't really get above like
four, five.

4580
04:00:25,347 --> 04:00:29,164
Now, there is a spike in there that I
circled.

4581
04:00:29,234 --> 04:00:30,339
That's the Kia, boys.

4582
04:00:30,406 --> 04:00:31,239
[laughter]

4583
04:00:31,492 --> 04:00:33,217
It's when everybody figured out how
to hack the Kia,

4584
04:00:33,284 --> 04:00:35,125
ignition to that's what that's.

4585
04:00:35,192 --> 04:00:37,960
That's nationwide, that's every
community.

4586
04:00:38,027 --> 04:00:39,606
You can go to the next one.

4587
04:00:40,105 --> 04:00:40,938
[laughter]

4588
04:00:41,105 --> 04:00:44,911
Um, this is robbery reports, St.
Clair Shores.

4589
04:00:45,471 --> 04:00:49,631
I mean, 2008 was was probably the
dangerous time here.

4590
04:00:49,698 --> 04:00:51,013
But, you know, that goes down

4591
04:00:51,080 --> 04:00:54,350
and, you know, if you want to look at
these, they all came from FBI.

4592
04:00:54,417 --> 04:00:57,255
The FBI breaks it down all the way
down to community.

4593
04:00:57,322 --> 04:01:00,322
Um, so, pretty good database there.

4594
04:01:00,389 --> 04:01:03,050
And this is kind of what I was saying
is that, you know,

4595
04:01:03,117 --> 04:01:06,031
if the DPW were coming in front of us
and we suddenly got so much

4596
04:01:06,098 --> 04:01:09,871
uh climate change, that we weren't
getting snow anymore,

4597
04:01:10,361 --> 04:01:13,485
and they wanted to buy a fleet of
snow plow, we would be like,

4598
04:01:13,552 --> 04:01:16,796
what, what? We haven't had snow in
four years now.

4599
04:01:16,906 --> 04:01:18,448
Why do we need to renew all these
snow?

4600
04:01:18,515 --> 04:01:21,722
Well, I kind of feel like this. We're
on a nice downward trend.

4601
04:01:21,932 --> 04:01:24,286
And honestly, to preserve our fourth
Amendment,

4602
04:01:24,353 --> 04:01:27,600
I'm willing to live with 2024 levels
of safety.

4603
04:01:27,667 --> 04:01:31,364
[applause]

4604
04:01:31,644 --> 04:01:33,625
Just don't see it.

4605
04:01:33,692 --> 04:01:36,280
I'd rather spend the money elsewhere.

4606
04:01:36,490 --> 04:01:38,794
Unfortunately, I I again, our hands
are kind of tied on how

4607
04:01:38,861 --> 04:01:40,710
many things they can be spent on.

4608
04:01:40,777 --> 04:01:43,947
But I definitely think there's better
returns on investment.

4609
04:01:44,014 --> 04:01:47,297
And I think that's why flock released
what is a fairly hackable

4610
04:01:47,364 --> 04:01:51,471
system if I can believe everything in
that YouTube video,

4611
04:01:51,538 --> 04:01:54,971
which to jump in, get that money, and
they're already offering

4612
04:01:55,038 --> 04:01:59,035
people buyouts, and a year from now
they might not be in business.

4613
04:01:59,102 --> 04:02:03,055
Now, that's not to say that Aan or
some other company won't take

4614
04:02:03,122 --> 04:02:05,270
their place. I expect that will
happen.

4615
04:02:05,337 --> 04:02:07,598
But I would also say to the city
attorney,

4616
04:02:07,665 --> 04:02:12,092
please look into our legal remedies
regarding that contract.

4617
04:02:12,291 --> 04:02:17,064
Because I would just assume not pay
it, drag it out, and then the

4618
04:02:17,131 --> 04:02:20,705
entity that used to be flock and try
to collect.

4619
04:02:21,174 --> 04:02:22,007
[laughter]

4620
04:02:23,283 --> 04:02:25,681
I think that's a pretty real
possibility.

4621
04:02:26,180 --> 04:02:27,013
[applause]

4622
04:02:27,939 --> 04:02:30,637
So, all right, we can go to the the
next one.

4623
04:02:30,747 --> 04:02:35,723
Oh, and this is this is essentially
Larceny. This is shoplifting.

4624
04:02:36,002 --> 04:02:40,589
So, I I mean, look the bad old days
of 1985.

4625
04:02:41,418 --> 04:02:45,581
When I was a kid, roam the streets,
peddle my bike everywhere in

4626
04:02:45,648 --> 04:02:49,472
St. Clair Shores and look how much
more crime was going on around me.

4627
04:02:49,602 --> 04:02:52,020
[laughter]

4628
04:02:52,709 --> 04:02:55,710
I didn't catch that. That was it me.

4629
04:02:55,777 --> 04:02:59,733
No, I'm not responsible for for all
that.

4630
04:03:01,082 --> 04:03:03,936
Anyway, so, you know, I just wanted
to give sort of a a sense

4631
04:03:04,003 --> 04:03:05,642
of scale on this.

4632
04:03:05,709 --> 04:03:08,407
And I also want to say this too,
that, you know,

4633
04:03:08,776 --> 04:03:11,250
there were a few points where I I
felt people were being a little

4634
04:03:11,317 --> 04:03:12,329
hard on the chief there.

4635
04:03:12,396 --> 04:03:15,144
And and Dave said it best, we're the
ones who did it.

4636
04:03:15,211 --> 04:03:18,149
He's got to defend a system that we
voted for.

4637
04:03:18,778 --> 04:03:20,380
So, that that's his job.

4638
04:03:20,447 --> 04:03:22,052
Just like it's the city's attorney's
job to defend

4639
04:03:22,119 --> 04:03:23,834
us all the time.

4640
04:03:24,324 --> 04:03:26,662
So you please do understand that.

4641
04:03:26,822 --> 04:03:30,609
I'm glad that so many people did show
up to the meeting,

4642
04:03:30,978 --> 04:03:33,529
because this is democracy and action.

4643
04:03:33,596 --> 04:03:35,601
And I will tell you right now, the
same thing that I told the

4644
04:03:35,668 --> 04:03:37,469
two gentlemen over breakfast

4645
04:03:37,536 --> 04:03:40,923
that are here and I think probably
got a lot of you to come down,

4646
04:03:40,990 --> 04:03:44,787
is that I did not think the mass was
there to get rid of these.

4647
04:03:45,047 --> 04:03:48,271
I was in favor of some guard rails
and some guidelines and some

4648
04:03:48,338 --> 04:03:50,363
further handcuffing of it,

4649
04:03:50,573 --> 04:03:53,993
but I said pragmatically, I you're
not going to convince the council.

4650
04:03:54,060 --> 04:03:56,454
Well, you want to know who convinced
the council? You all

4651
04:03:56,521 --> 04:03:58,010
convinced the council.

4652
04:03:58,077 --> 04:04:00,645
[applause]

4653
04:04:01,034 --> 04:04:04,232
So, now I would tell you this,

4654
04:04:04,791 --> 04:04:07,202
go to County Commissioner meetings.

4655
04:04:07,269 --> 04:04:10,490
Go to Sterling Heights City Council
meetings.

4656
04:04:10,557 --> 04:04:13,620
Go to some of the other because you
can't let off with this

4657
04:04:13,687 --> 04:04:16,432
just because you got us.

4658
04:04:16,522 --> 04:04:20,145
So, and and of course, we are going
to revisit this, and but I

4659
04:04:20,212 --> 04:04:22,603
think we'll be very aware of it going
further and I won't belabor

4660
04:04:22,670 --> 04:04:24,086
it further.

4661
04:04:24,506 --> 04:04:26,234
Uh, next one, please.

4662
04:04:26,634 --> 04:04:29,425
Okay. Uh, this was for Denise. We
already talked about this.

4663
04:04:29,492 --> 04:04:32,779
We license landscapers and we let 'em
do jobs like this.

4664
04:04:32,939 --> 04:04:35,583
This cannot go on. All this garbage
ends up into the storm

4665
04:04:35,650 --> 04:04:38,211
drains, which clogs it,

4666
04:04:38,278 --> 04:04:40,549
flows out to the flows off to the
lake.

4667
04:04:40,616 --> 04:04:43,631
We cannot allow people to do this.

4668
04:04:43,960 --> 04:04:44,793
[applause]

4669
04:04:46,088 --> 04:04:49,179
So, kind of on a related note, can
you go to the next one, please?

4670
04:04:49,246 --> 04:04:50,954
So, everybody's clapping.

4671
04:04:51,044 --> 04:04:54,881
The next St. Clair Shores I 94 ramp
clean up

4672
04:04:54,981 --> 04:04:58,232
will be Saturday, October 10th at
10:00 a.m.

4673
04:04:58,299 --> 04:05:02,082
that great group of volunteers goes
out, puts on the yellow vest,

4674
04:05:02,149 --> 04:05:05,643
picks up all the psychopath litter
that people throw out the window
there.

4675
04:05:06,142 --> 04:05:08,074
Um, we gather that up.

4676
04:05:08,141 --> 04:05:12,058
Try to keep those inner keep those uh
freeway ramps looking clean and

4677
04:05:12,336 --> 04:05:14,527
and we'll be sure that we leave the
bags alone

4678
04:05:14,594 --> 04:05:16,013
on the cameras while we're out there.

4679
04:05:16,313 --> 04:05:20,053
Um, and then one more after that.

4680
04:05:20,120 --> 04:05:22,551
I also wanted to mention because this
came up on Facebook,

4681
04:05:22,618 --> 04:05:24,759
just to let everybody know.

4682
04:05:24,826 --> 04:05:27,577
the last long Monday where you can go
to DPW

4683
04:05:27,644 --> 04:05:30,994
and drop off broken concrete,
masonry,

4684
04:05:31,061 --> 04:05:33,739
stuff, get rid of junk like that,

4685
04:05:33,849 --> 04:05:36,450
uh or just a a big load of trash out
of your pickup

4686
04:05:36,517 --> 04:05:38,808
and shove it in the compactor.

4687
04:05:38,875 --> 04:05:42,005
Your last chance on that is going to
be Monday, October

4688
04:05:42,072 --> 04:05:45,533
12th, or you have to sit on it till
April.

4689
04:05:45,600 --> 04:05:48,161
So, that was all I had for tonight.

4690
04:05:48,228 --> 04:05:50,476
Thank you. Ms. Burges.

4691
04:05:50,726 --> 04:05:53,416
First of all, I want to thank you all
for showing up.

4692
04:05:53,483 --> 04:05:57,353
Um, I appreciate the things that
people said,

4693
04:05:57,420 --> 04:05:59,791
and I will let you know that I had
some long talks with

4694
04:05:59,858 --> 04:06:02,319
people that were for flock.

4695
04:06:02,386 --> 04:06:04,994
And I invited every last one of them
to come here.

4696
04:06:07,152 --> 04:06:09,483
just wanted to put that out there
that um thank you for

4697
04:06:09,550 --> 04:06:11,959
those that did show up.

4698
04:06:12,048 --> 04:06:14,100
Uh, and for the letters and the
emails,

4699
04:06:14,167 --> 04:06:16,598
and the emails,

4700
04:06:16,665 --> 04:06:20,555
and the emails that I received on the
subject.

4701
04:06:20,622 --> 04:06:23,792
But I thank you that you you came and
like, uh, Chris said,

4702
04:06:23,859 --> 04:06:27,056
um, democracy and action here.

4703
04:06:27,276 --> 04:06:29,907
Uh, with all that though, I'm going
to say I was really

4704
04:06:29,974 --> 04:06:31,846
excited about all the proclamations
we had today.

4705
04:06:31,913 --> 04:06:34,354
There are so many anniversaries,
things happening in our city,

4706
04:06:34,421 --> 04:06:37,841
things that we need to be proud of in
our city,

4707
04:06:37,908 --> 04:06:41,388
and congratulations to our
beautification winners, uh,

4708
04:06:41,455 --> 04:06:46,963
what a wonderful display of, um,
beautiful yards and, um,

4709
04:06:47,030 --> 04:06:49,042
there are so many that were nominated
that didn't win,

4710
04:06:49,109 --> 04:06:52,509
but they they were just as beautiful.

4711
04:06:52,576 --> 04:06:54,834
So, congratulations to all of them.

4712
04:06:55,104 --> 04:06:56,786
Um, I got my

4713
04:06:56,853 --> 04:07:01,582
Um, our Shortober Fest is going to be
October 3rd,

4714
04:07:01,649 --> 04:07:06,867
same day as the police and fire and
library open house.

4715
04:07:06,934 --> 04:07:09,016
So when you're done with all the open
house, go home,

4716
04:07:09,083 --> 04:07:13,162
take a nap, and come back to the
Shortober Fest.

4717
04:07:13,229 --> 04:07:15,900
Okay, there's going to be live music,
the Kabasa Kings

4718
04:07:15,967 --> 04:07:18,438
from 6:00 to 10:00 p.m.

4719
04:07:18,505 --> 04:07:22,535
We got beer sales which are locked
St. Clair Shores, um,

4720
04:07:22,602 --> 04:07:25,053
Kwans Group is taking care of for us.

4721
04:07:25,120 --> 04:07:27,331
German food is available for
purchase.

4722
04:07:27,398 --> 04:07:29,320
We're going to have cranks catering
in there, and they're

4723
04:07:29,387 --> 04:07:31,198
going to have a great menu for you.

4724
04:07:31,265 --> 04:07:32,987
We're going to have a Stein holding
contest

4725
04:07:33,054 --> 04:07:34,855
for men and women.

4726
04:07:34,922 --> 04:07:38,892
Costume contest, and uh a cornhole
tournament.

4727
04:07:38,959 --> 04:07:41,707
So, you will not want to miss this.

4728
04:07:41,807 --> 04:07:44,148
It's October 3rd, and it starts at
5:00 p.m.

4729
04:07:44,215 --> 04:07:47,812
to 10:00 p.m.

4730
04:07:48,022 --> 04:07:51,062
Uh, and uh, that's it for that.

4731
04:07:51,129 --> 04:07:53,790
Uh, we just had our uh St. Isaac
Jog's Harvest Festival

4732
04:07:53,857 --> 04:07:56,668
this last weekend. It was phenomenal.

4733
04:07:56,735 --> 04:07:59,276
even though we were raining a lot.

4734
04:07:59,343 --> 04:08:02,063
We still had a great time and we
thank you everybody for

4735
04:08:02,130 --> 04:08:05,398
coming out and helping to uh help our
school

4736
04:08:06,097 --> 04:08:07,926
uh with needed funds.

4737
04:08:08,096 --> 04:08:10,726
Uh, this Saturday is also district.
Music's Main Street

4738
04:08:10,793 --> 04:08:13,141
drive.

4739
04:08:13,661 --> 04:08:15,393
Main Street drive, sorry.

4740
04:08:15,460 --> 04:08:17,208
I have that down in here too.

4741
04:08:17,478 --> 04:08:19,010
Uh, and then we only have two left.

4742
04:08:19,077 --> 04:08:22,317
We have October 10th and Octo October
24th.

4743
04:08:22,384 --> 04:08:24,525
October 10th is going to be
bandwagon.

4744
04:08:24,592 --> 04:08:27,320
October 24th is paper covers rock.

4745
04:08:27,500 --> 04:08:30,780
And this Saturday, uh the next, I'm
sorry, Sunday, this Sunday

4746
04:08:30,847 --> 04:08:32,799
is our Farmers Market

4747
04:08:32,866 --> 04:08:37,475
downtown uh St. Clair Shores right
there from 9:00 to 2:00.

4748
04:08:37,542 --> 04:08:40,043
And last time I went, I was like,
wow, this really is a

4749
04:08:40,110 --> 04:08:42,281
Farmers Market because there was
actually a lot

4750
04:08:42,348 --> 04:08:46,225
being sold of fruits and vegetables,

4751
04:08:46,725 --> 04:08:48,306
and um, it was really great.

4752
04:08:48,373 --> 04:08:50,864
Don't miss it. A lot of um, people
have vendors there,

4753
04:08:50,931 --> 04:08:52,890
so it'll be a lot of fun.

4754
04:08:52,990 --> 04:08:55,011
And um, thank you for the cleanup
mention

4755
04:08:55,078 --> 04:08:57,456
because I had that down on here.

4756
04:08:57,676 --> 04:09:01,173
Uh, that's my group and I Sharon's
over there.

4757
04:09:01,543 --> 04:09:03,214
Um, and uh, just want to thank
everybody again for being here.

4758
04:09:03,281 --> 04:09:04,933
That's it for me.

4759
04:09:05,000 --> 04:09:06,449
Thank you. City manager report.

4760
04:09:06,599 --> 04:09:08,920
Uh, as Ron had mentioned, we have the
open house at the

4761
04:09:08,987 --> 04:09:11,248
fire station, but that open house is
actually

4762
04:09:11,315 --> 04:09:14,176
three open houses as one.

4763
04:09:14,243 --> 04:09:16,843
It is the fire station, it is the new
police building,

4764
04:09:16,910 --> 04:09:18,962
and it is the library.

4765
04:09:19,029 --> 04:09:21,500
So we are also going to be have our
smart buses run

4766
04:09:21,567 --> 04:09:24,567
from the City Hall complex to take
individuals to the

4767
04:09:24,634 --> 04:09:27,015
fire station. There's not a lot of
parking over there.

4768
04:09:27,082 --> 04:09:29,493
But as Ron had said, they are going
to have different kind

4769
04:09:29,560 --> 04:09:32,141
of food and different kind of stuff
set up.

4770
04:09:32,208 --> 04:09:33,930
The police are not in the new police
station yet,

4771
04:09:33,997 --> 04:09:36,618
but it is going to be moving in very
shortly,

4772
04:09:36,685 --> 04:09:39,096
but before they get them move in and
all the officers

4773
04:09:39,163 --> 04:09:40,624
and then you actually have officers
work,

4774
04:09:40,691 --> 04:09:42,893
we are having that open house for all
of our residents

4775
04:09:42,960 --> 04:09:46,030
to be able to come in and see two
magnificent buildings

4776
04:09:46,097 --> 04:09:48,888
that will be here for generations to
come.

4777
04:09:48,955 --> 04:09:51,815
Um, and then also, as we had
mentioned too with the library,

4778
04:09:51,882 --> 04:09:52,954
we did get, you know, kind of
delayed,

4779
04:09:53,021 --> 04:09:55,582
but that's because that library
building started off as a

4780
04:09:55,649 --> 04:09:58,240
children's renovation, but ended up
changing into an

4781
04:09:58,307 --> 04:10:00,938
entire building renovation.

4782
04:10:01,005 --> 04:10:03,086
So it is beautiful inside.

4783
04:10:03,153 --> 04:10:06,304
So it is a huge asset to our
community.

4784
04:10:06,371 --> 04:10:09,002
So please come out and check out our
three buildings uh,

4785
04:10:09,069 --> 04:10:12,121
this sorry, October.

4786
04:10:12,188 --> 04:10:13,770
for third on Saturday.

4787
04:10:13,837 --> 04:10:14,799
Thank you.

4788
04:10:14,866 --> 04:10:17,607
Uh, item 13. Audie's participation

4789
04:10:17,674 --> 04:10:18,846
get five-minute time limit.

4790
04:10:18,913 --> 04:10:19,935
Uh, we just need your name

4791
04:10:20,002 --> 04:10:21,693
in the city you reside in

4792
04:10:21,760 --> 04:10:25,937
and then if you don't mind, please
sign up, sign in after that.

4793
04:10:26,270 --> 04:10:27,103
Uh, okay.

4794
04:10:27,170 --> 04:10:28,705
Uh, yes, sir.

4795
04:10:29,112 --> 04:10:31,955
You know, I had a five minutes. I'm
there with condition saying all
shores.

4796
04:10:32,022 --> 04:10:32,855
Thank you.

4797
04:10:32,922 --> 04:10:34,283
I had a full five minutes for you
guys.

4798
04:10:34,350 --> 04:10:36,721
I mean, you guys are missing some
good facts and figures here.

4799
04:10:36,788 --> 04:10:38,157
[laughter]

4800
04:10:38,577 --> 04:10:42,284
Um, I just want to say to all of you
who took my calls last couple

4801
04:10:42,464 --> 04:10:44,305
three, four weeks, my emails.

4802
04:10:44,372 --> 04:10:47,490
I really felt listened to on this
issue. Like I really did.

4803
04:10:47,810 --> 04:10:50,767
Um, and it's a credit to you guys. I
seriously really appreciate it.

4804
04:10:52,036 --> 04:10:55,516
I like a month ago was like, you
know, seeing all the flock stuff

4805
04:10:55,583 --> 04:10:57,085
and seeing them everywhere in our
city.

4806
04:10:57,152 --> 04:11:00,589
And I just for me personally, like I
have two little kids.

4807
04:11:01,509 --> 04:11:05,675
I don't want them grown up in a city
with mass surveillance.

4808
04:11:06,045 --> 04:11:09,066
And I, you know, things getting done
in cities is really hard,

4809
04:11:09,133 --> 04:11:10,781
takes a long time.

4810
04:11:10,861 --> 04:11:13,072
Um, but I just want to say to every
person that showed up,

4811
04:11:13,139 --> 04:11:14,481
like seriously, every person.

4812
04:11:14,548 --> 04:11:17,029
And especially the first couple from
some of our senior residents.

4813
04:11:17,096 --> 04:11:18,468
We get the best seniors ever.

4814
04:11:18,535 --> 04:11:22,075
who did just the most amazing job.
Like I'm so proud all you.

4815
04:11:22,142 --> 04:11:23,291
[applause]

4816
04:11:23,741 --> 04:11:25,213
And uh, I won't belabor the point,

4817
04:11:25,280 --> 04:11:28,207
I'm just so thankful today what you
guys are doing.

4818
04:11:28,447 --> 04:11:31,028
I just want to take a such a quick
story.

4819
04:11:31,095 --> 04:11:33,146
In my neighborhood, I live on
Lakeland Street,

4820
04:11:33,213 --> 04:11:36,044
like two years ago we had this girl
who I was, me and my dad,

4821
04:11:36,111 --> 04:11:40,128
we four houses down from each other,
have senior residents who are in this
city.

4822
04:11:40,797 --> 04:11:44,137
We, we just we didn't know, but we
were both watching this girl get
ripped out

4823
04:11:44,204 --> 04:11:46,832
of a car and helicopter to the floor.
I mean, it was horrible.

4824
04:11:47,212 --> 04:11:49,283
And me and my dad run after the guy.

4825
04:11:49,350 --> 04:11:51,472
And then four other neighbors came
out and ran after the guy.

4826
04:11:51,539 --> 04:11:54,196
And then all the other neighbors came
out and helped this girl.

4827
04:11:54,546 --> 04:11:57,794
And that is why you don't need flock
cameras in this city.

4828
04:11:58,053 --> 04:11:59,555
We have people that care.

4829
04:11:59,622 --> 04:12:02,023
We have the best seniors who are the
best security for your neighborhoods

4830
04:12:02,090 --> 04:12:03,222
you will ever get.

4831
04:12:03,289 --> 04:12:06,177
Like they are watching, and thank God
for our awesome seniors.

4832
04:12:06,616 --> 04:12:10,167
Um, so I just want to say thank you
so I just want to say thank you so
much for doing this for, for putting
a pause.

4833
04:12:10,234 --> 04:12:11,862
I do want to say though that

4834
04:12:12,272 --> 04:12:15,849
I hope the pause isn't a delay
because we will be back in March.

4835
04:12:16,429 --> 04:12:18,557
to finally put the nail in this
coffin.

4836
04:12:18,837 --> 04:12:20,169
for Flock

4837
04:12:21,135 --> 04:12:22,843
Um, and I just, I'm so thankful
today.

4838
04:12:23,406 --> 04:12:24,239
It means a lot.

4839
04:12:24,306 --> 04:12:25,504
I hope you guys all have an awesome
night.

4840
04:12:25,571 --> 04:12:26,843
And uh, I've seen, I've watched a lot
of meetings.

4841
04:12:26,910 --> 04:12:28,449
I watch like every meeting.

4842
04:12:28,799 --> 04:12:30,690
Man, that's uh, this is might be a
record.

4843
04:12:30,757 --> 04:12:31,590
I don't know if it is.

4844
04:12:31,657 --> 04:12:32,490
[Laughter] Oh, it's not.

4845
04:12:32,557 --> 04:12:34,078
Oh, some of the budget meetings were
long.

4846
04:12:34,145 --> 04:12:36,177
The the budget meetings are painfully
long,

4847
04:12:36,244 --> 04:12:37,985
but um, still this was so worth it.

4848
04:12:38,052 --> 04:12:39,474
Thank you everybody, I appreciate you
guys.

4849
04:12:39,541 --> 04:12:40,374
Sign in please.

4850
04:12:40,441 --> 04:12:41,334
Oh, yeah.

4851
04:12:41,401 --> 04:12:42,234
Oh, okay. I don't know.

4852
04:12:42,301 --> 04:12:43,134
Thank you.

4853
04:12:43,201 --> 04:12:44,293
[applause]

4854
04:12:45,902 --> 04:12:47,733
Hello.

4855
04:12:47,800 --> 04:12:50,551
Uh, my name is Kristen Schmidt. Uh, I
live a resident here

4856
04:12:50,618 --> 04:12:51,730
in St. Clair Shores.

4857
04:12:51,797 --> 04:12:53,129
Yes.

4858
04:12:53,326 --> 04:12:55,597
I do have a whole thing prepared
here,

4859
04:12:55,664 --> 04:12:58,445
and I waited it out, and I'm just
going to do it for I guess for food
for thought

4860
04:12:58,512 --> 04:13:02,342
even though I do appreciate you guys
pausing it for the next six months.

4861
04:13:02,409 --> 04:13:05,107
So I guess just take these things
into consideration please.

4862
04:13:06,615 --> 04:13:09,336
Um, one, I was really frustrated that
everybody just keeps calling it

4863
04:13:09,403 --> 04:13:10,995
a license plate reader.

4864
04:13:11,062 --> 04:13:14,632
Please stop describing Flock as just
a license plate reader,

4865
04:13:14,699 --> 04:13:17,779
that description is incomplete and it
understates what is at stake.

4866
04:13:17,846 --> 04:13:20,827
Flock's own documentation says its
system collects not only

4867
04:13:20,894 --> 04:13:23,924
license plate characters but vehicle
images, vehicle characteristics,

4868
04:13:23,991 --> 04:13:26,649
location data, time stamps and other
metadata.

4869
04:13:27,029 --> 04:13:29,620
Flock describes its platform as
providing law enforcement with

4870
04:13:29,687 --> 04:13:31,356
searchable digital evidence

4871
04:13:32,035 --> 04:13:34,216
and investigative tools, that matters

4872
04:13:34,283 --> 04:13:37,713
because the Constitution does not
become irrelevant simply because

4873
04:13:37,780 --> 04:13:39,819
surveillance technology becomes more
sophisticated.

4874
04:13:40,199 --> 04:13:42,936
The Supreme Court has repeatedly
recognized this problem.

4875
04:13:43,046 --> 04:13:46,406
In United States v. Jones, the Court
considers government tracking of

4876
04:13:46,473 --> 04:13:47,905
vehicle by GPS,

4877
04:13:47,972 --> 04:13:51,602
the Court held that attaching the GPS
devices and using it to monitor the

4878
04:13:51,669 --> 04:13:56,039
vehicle's movements, constituted a
Fourth Amendment search.

4879
04:13:56,106 --> 04:13:59,796
Justice Alito, joined by three other
justices, separately emphasized

4880
04:13:59,863 --> 04:14:02,863
something particularly important for
today's technology.

4881
04:14:02,930 --> 04:14:06,490
Long-term monitoring can cross a
constitutional line because

4882
04:14:06,557 --> 04:14:10,187
society does not reasonably expect
the government to secretly catalog

4883
04:14:10,254 --> 04:14:13,092
every movement of a person's vehicle.

4884
04:14:13,662 --> 04:14:16,143
Then came Carpenter v. United States.

4885
04:14:16,210 --> 04:14:18,781
There the Supreme Court confronted a
different technology,

4886
04:14:18,848 --> 04:14:21,638
historical cell site location
information.

4887
04:14:21,705 --> 04:14:24,476
The government argued essentially
that people had no reasonable
expectation

4888
04:14:24,543 --> 04:14:28,180
of privacy because the information
was held by a third party.

4889
04:14:28,500 --> 04:14:30,348
The Court rejected that reasoning.

4890
04:14:30,528 --> 04:14:33,968
It recognized the person's physical
movements can reveal an extraordinary

4891
04:14:34,035 --> 04:14:37,166
amount about the person's life and
held the individuals retain

4892
04:14:37,233 --> 04:14:40,263
a legitimate expectation of privacy
and certain records of their own

4893
04:14:40,330 --> 04:14:41,662
physical movements.

4894
04:14:41,729 --> 04:14:44,397
even when those records are held by
someone else.

4895
04:14:44,867 --> 04:14:48,257
The Court specifically warned that
people do not surrender all Fourth
Amendment

4896
04:14:48,324 --> 04:14:50,535
protections simply by entering public
spaces.

4897
04:14:50,602 --> 04:14:53,300
That principle deserves serious
consideration here.

4898
04:14:54,889 --> 04:14:57,949
Uh, sorry, I'll skip some of the
stuff because Candace, you mentioned

4899
04:14:58,016 --> 04:14:59,348
quite a bit of it actually.

4900
04:15:00,015 --> 04:15:02,246
Technology changes the nature of
surveillance.

4901
04:15:02,313 --> 04:15:04,844
A police officer observing a car
drive past is one thing,

4902
04:15:04,911 --> 04:15:08,741
a network of cameras creating a
searchable records of vehicles

4903
04:15:08,808 --> 04:15:11,638
moving throughout a community is
something fundamentally different

4904
04:15:11,705 --> 04:15:13,054
in scale and

4905
04:15:13,206 --> 04:15:16,763
capability. And the Supreme Court has
told us that scale matters.

4906
04:15:16,881 --> 04:15:20,131
The court's concern in Jones and
Carpenter was not simply

4907
04:15:20,198 --> 04:15:23,958
whether one particular piece of
information was visible to the
public,

4908
04:15:24,025 --> 04:15:27,316
the concern was what modern
technology makes possible when

4909
04:15:27,383 --> 04:15:30,223
individual observations are
collected, retained, and

4910
04:15:30,290 --> 04:15:33,408
assembled into a detailed record of
someone's movements.

4911
04:15:34,247 --> 04:15:38,577
That is why we shouldn't ask can a
police officer legally see a license
plate.

4912
04:15:38,644 --> 04:15:39,916
Of course they can.

4913
04:15:39,983 --> 04:15:43,663
We should ask what happens when
thousands of observations are

4914
04:15:43,730 --> 04:15:45,671
systematically collected, stored,
searched, and shared.

4915
04:15:45,738 --> 04:15:48,056
That is the Civil Liberties question.

4916
04:15:48,176 --> 04:15:51,506
And this is not merely theoretical.
Flock says customers control their
data

4917
04:15:51,573 --> 04:15:53,105
and that searches are auditable.

4918
04:15:53,172 --> 04:15:55,303
Those safeguards are worth
acknowledging, but safeguards

4919
04:15:55,370 --> 04:15:58,760
are not the same thing as
constitutional protections.

4920
04:15:58,827 --> 04:16:02,847
And audit and and audit logs do not
prevent government overreach.

4921
04:16:02,914 --> 04:16:05,822
They merely create a record that
overreach occurred.

4922
04:16:06,062 --> 04:16:07,913
I believe residents deserve clear
answers.

4923
04:16:07,980 --> 04:16:09,862
Who can search this database?

4924
04:16:09,929 --> 04:16:13,136
What constitutes a legitimate reason
to conduct a search?

4925
04:16:13,426 --> 04:16:15,837
Can officers search for someone's
movements without that person

4926
04:16:15,904 --> 04:16:17,795
being suspected of a crime?

4927
04:16:17,862 --> 04:16:20,643
Which other agencies can access our
community's data?

4928
04:16:20,710 --> 04:16:23,840
Can information collected here be
shared outside our jurisdiction?

4929
04:16:23,907 --> 04:16:25,459
Who approves searches, who audits
them?

4930
04:16:25,526 --> 04:16:29,133
How often does the council receive
those audit reports?

4931
04:16:29,333 --> 04:16:32,081
And what happens when an officer
violates the rules?

4932
04:16:32,201 --> 04:16:35,988
These are not anti-police questions,
they are constitutional questions.

4933
04:16:36,098 --> 04:16:40,417
The Fourth Amendment was written
precisely because the government has
enormous power

4934
04:16:40,484 --> 04:16:44,211
and because individual liberty
requires boundaries on that power.

4935
04:16:44,491 --> 04:16:49,410
When technology allows the government
to collect, retain, reconstruct, and
search

4936
04:16:49,477 --> 04:16:51,808
people's movements on a scale that
would have been extraordinarily

4937
04:16:51,875 --> 04:16:55,995
difficult, excuse me, extraordinarily
difficult or practically impossible
in the past,

4938
04:16:56,062 --> 04:16:59,419
constitutional protections deserve
careful attention.

4939
04:16:59,729 --> 04:17:02,400
Our city should not wait for a court
to tell us where the

4940
04:17:02,467 --> 04:17:03,918
Constitution boundary is.

4941
04:17:03,985 --> 04:17:07,965
We should establish strong
protections before the system becomes
entrenched.

4942
04:17:08,032 --> 04:17:11,392
If this council believes Flock is
necessary for public safety, then

4943
04:17:11,459 --> 04:17:13,977
prove that necessity transparently.

4944
04:17:14,077 --> 04:17:17,787
Because once a government builds the
capability to track movements
retrospectively,

4945
04:17:17,854 --> 04:17:21,184
the question isn't simply what the
system is being used for today.

4946
04:17:21,251 --> 04:17:25,988
The question is what future
government officials will be capable
of using it for tomorrow.

4947
04:17:26,317 --> 04:17:29,108
Civil liberties are rarely taken away
all at once.

4948
04:17:29,175 --> 04:17:32,675
They are more often diminished one
seemingly reasonable expectation,

4949
04:17:32,742 --> 04:17:35,523
one new database, one additional
capability, and one expanded

4950
04:17:35,590 --> 04:17:38,051
use at a time.

4951
04:17:38,118 --> 04:17:40,169
The Constitution is supposed to
prevent that.

4952
04:17:40,236 --> 04:17:43,567
So please don't tell the residents of
this city that Flock is just

4953
04:17:43,634 --> 04:17:44,836
a license plate reader.

4954
04:17:44,903 --> 04:17:48,063
It is a surveillance system capable
of creating searchable records

4955
04:17:48,130 --> 04:17:50,311
about the movement of vehicles
throughout our community.

4956
04:17:50,378 --> 04:17:53,359
That deserves the highest level of
public scrutiny, transparency, and

4957
04:17:53,426 --> 04:17:55,447
constitutional restraint.

4958
04:17:55,514 --> 04:17:57,106
Thank you. Thank you.

4959
04:17:57,173 --> 04:18:01,639
[applause]

4960
04:18:03,508 --> 04:18:04,647
[exhaling]

4961
04:18:05,816 --> 04:18:08,863
I got a whole preparation speech too,
just like everybody else.

4962
04:18:08,983 --> 04:18:11,864
Uh, first thing I want to do is I
want to do is I want to thank the
council for listening.

4963
04:18:11,931 --> 04:18:15,548
your your name and the city you
reside in. Dan Far.

4964
04:18:15,878 --> 04:18:17,946
St. Clair Shores resident. Thank you.

4965
04:18:18,426 --> 04:18:20,154
I want to thank you all for
listening.

4966
04:18:20,754 --> 04:18:24,601
Through this process, um, it's been
an evolution for me too.

4967
04:18:25,250 --> 04:18:29,170
Uh, I came at it first because of my
friend Daryl.

4968
04:18:29,237 --> 04:18:33,027
And I think this city owes him a
round of applause for getting us

4969
04:18:33,094 --> 04:18:34,676
all involved and looking at this.

4970
04:18:34,743 --> 04:18:35,576
[applause]

4971
04:18:36,131 --> 04:18:39,062
I want to thank, I want to thank
everybody on this council for
listening.

4972
04:18:39,129 --> 04:18:41,537
I think you guys have done a good
job.

4973
04:18:41,767 --> 04:18:46,014
You listened to what we said and you
took it to heart.

4974
04:18:46,963 --> 04:18:49,691
And that was something I wasn't
prepared to do today.

4975
04:18:50,120 --> 04:18:53,011
I had a defense here, I had a defense
here of of the chief himself.

4976
04:18:53,078 --> 04:18:56,308
I had a defense here that was going
to blast Flock out of the water for

4977
04:18:56,375 --> 04:18:59,852
putting him in a bad situation, just
like you guys said.

4978
04:19:00,282 --> 04:19:03,503
He's got to be responsible for other
agencies and other cops.

4979
04:19:03,570 --> 04:19:05,118
That's not fair to him either.

4980
04:19:05,318 --> 04:19:08,538
He could do it right and we can still
all be burned by it.

4981
04:19:08,605 --> 04:19:11,596
And that's one of the things we got
to remember about this system.

4982
04:19:11,663 --> 04:19:16,489
is that the nature of it is out of
our control.

4983
04:19:16,609 --> 04:19:19,670
Even the mayor of East Point and and
this is what he said.

4984
04:19:19,737 --> 04:19:23,087
I know that our police chief has
worked hard to put policies in

4985
04:19:23,154 --> 04:19:24,553
place for our personnel.

4986
04:19:24,902 --> 04:19:29,482
But the nature of Flock is that it's
part of a network where information
is shared

4987
04:19:29,549 --> 04:19:33,479
with other law enforcement agencies
and frankly, we don't have control

4988
04:19:33,546 --> 04:19:38,891
over what other agencies are doing
and how they're enforcing their
rules.

4989
04:19:39,171 --> 04:19:42,089
We can do it right. We can do it
pristine, and we probably are.

4990
04:19:42,878 --> 04:19:45,036
And nobody's shown we haven't.

4991
04:19:45,986 --> 04:19:47,967
But we can't control that other
agency.

4992
04:19:48,034 --> 04:19:52,184
We can't control that LinkedIn
trusted agency.

4993
04:19:52,251 --> 04:19:54,029
And that's one of the problems.

4994
04:19:54,609 --> 04:19:57,276
One of the other things I just wanted
to mention was,

4995
04:19:58,316 --> 04:20:01,756
Miss Burch has said about, and I'm
sorry for speaking out.

4996
04:20:01,823 --> 04:20:04,371
That's that's an Alexander trait.
People know what I mean.

4997
04:20:04,691 --> 04:20:09,407
Uh, we we we we we debated in the
streets, we didn't follow Rogers'
rules.

4998
04:20:13,133 --> 04:20:16,430
We have to be involved in those that
information that's shared.

4999
04:20:16,530 --> 04:20:18,848
That information you guys get from
Flock.

5000
04:20:19,058 --> 04:20:21,559
We need to know whether it's a
committee,

5001
04:20:21,626 --> 04:20:25,146
whether it's some way that we have to
be informed.

5002
04:20:25,213 --> 04:20:27,444
It we can't be next year we find out

5003
04:20:27,511 --> 04:20:30,662
at a meeting and an agenda pack it a
week before.

5004
04:20:30,729 --> 04:20:32,680
What what what they're going to say.

5005
04:20:32,747 --> 04:20:34,546
That's not fair to us.

5006
04:20:34,646 --> 04:20:37,576
We have to know, and we have to be
involved because these people care,

5007
04:20:37,643 --> 04:20:40,821
and a lot more of them care. A lot of
them had to leave.

5008
04:20:41,010 --> 04:20:44,428
And I just want to make sure that we
understand that part of it.

5009
04:20:47,166 --> 04:20:50,823
I looked at that I I looked at this
issue and I said,

5010
04:20:51,652 --> 04:20:55,362
am I pro or anti? And and Daryl and I
debated this

5011
04:20:55,429 --> 04:20:57,517
more times than you guys want to
know.

5012
04:20:58,576 --> 04:21:02,097
And I was bouncing back and forth,

5013
04:21:02,164 --> 04:21:05,054
until I looked at, really looked at
it and lifted up the hood

5014
04:21:05,121 --> 04:21:07,599
like you guys did today, and some of
you expressed it.

5015
04:21:08,229 --> 04:21:11,836
It doesn't pass, it doesn't pass the
test it has to.

5016
04:21:12,096 --> 04:21:13,497
Could it?

5017
04:21:13,564 --> 04:21:15,816
I don't know. Maybe we'll find out.

5018
04:21:15,883 --> 04:21:18,943
But I just want to do um give uh uh
recognition

5019
04:21:19,010 --> 04:21:21,938
where recognition is to you guys.

5020
04:21:22,108 --> 04:21:26,737
for listening to us. It it it did a
lot to restore some faith

5021
04:21:26,804 --> 04:21:29,085
in people like myself, who had a lot
of guilt of not

5022
04:21:29,152 --> 04:21:30,175
participating. Thank you.

5023
04:21:30,242 --> 04:21:36,587
[applause]

5024
04:21:38,196 --> 04:21:40,094
I'm just going to read it as they
wrote it.

5025
04:21:42,392 --> 04:21:44,623
Despite how ALPRs have been marketed,

5026
04:21:44,690 --> 04:21:47,961
Ma'am, your name in the city you
reside in. I'm sorry, just

5027
04:21:48,028 --> 04:21:50,356
Lisa Oxford St. Clair Shores.

5028
04:21:50,876 --> 04:21:53,636
Despite how ALPRs have been marketed,

5029
04:21:53,703 --> 04:21:56,504
this latest abandonment of our
liberty is not actually

5030
04:21:56,571 --> 04:21:58,532
for the sake of security.

5031
04:21:58,599 --> 04:22:00,917
The purpose of a system is what it
does.

5032
04:22:01,527 --> 04:22:05,936
In actuality, these Valian tech
companies are crippling our

5033
04:22:06,003 --> 04:22:08,974
fourth amendment so that they may add
even more mass surveillance

5034
04:22:09,041 --> 04:22:12,578
to their ever growing arsenal of
marketing tools.

5035
04:22:12,658 --> 04:22:13,491
[laughter]

5036
04:22:14,257 --> 04:22:17,187
Less than 0.05% of all data collected
by ALPRs

5037
04:22:17,254 --> 04:22:21,184
is relevant to criminal cases.

5038
04:22:21,251 --> 04:22:23,929
Just as we learned during the
PowerPoint.

5039
04:22:24,259 --> 04:22:27,596
Most of the data is not accessed by
the police.

5040
04:22:28,615 --> 04:22:31,576
And most of the data relevant to law
enforcement, on the

5041
04:22:31,643 --> 04:22:35,590
whole, is in relation to unpaid
parking tickets.

5042
04:22:36,129 --> 04:22:39,896
The majority of data being harvested
is for commercial value.

5043
04:22:40,106 --> 04:22:43,167
The private investigators and repo
men are some of the

5044
04:22:43,234 --> 04:22:46,171
obvious entities ALPR data can be
sold to.

5045
04:22:46,541 --> 04:22:48,073
And if you think a contract

5046
04:22:48,140 --> 04:22:50,071
between the city and any of these
companies will protect

5047
04:22:50,138 --> 04:22:51,940
your data from being sold in a
country where

5048
04:22:52,007 --> 04:22:54,537
we punish big tech companies with a
slap on the wrist,

5049
04:22:54,604 --> 04:22:56,333
God help you.

5050
04:22:58,272 --> 04:23:01,202
In the modern industry of data
analytics,

5051
04:23:01,269 --> 04:23:04,300
companies can create very strong
customer profiles

5052
04:23:04,367 --> 04:23:06,168
with the addition of ALPR data.

5053
04:23:06,235 --> 04:23:08,716
Perhaps your auto insurance company
will be interested

5054
04:23:08,783 --> 04:23:11,154
to know that the car that you have in
your name and

5055
04:23:11,221 --> 04:23:12,743
under your address

5056
04:23:12,810 --> 04:23:14,861
is your son's daily driver.

5057
04:23:14,928 --> 04:23:17,439
Of course, you have him on the
insurance too, but it just so

5058
04:23:17,506 --> 04:23:19,208
happens that he's recently moved in
with his girlfriend

5059
04:23:19,275 --> 04:23:23,391
and now lives in a town with a much
higher accident rate.

5060
04:23:25,989 --> 04:23:28,490
By the way, did you recently attend a
gun show?

5061
04:23:28,557 --> 04:23:31,515
Maybe one with a portable ALPR in the
parking lot?

5062
04:23:31,755 --> 04:23:34,343
If only I had time to get into that
one.

5063
04:23:34,612 --> 04:23:37,643
I'd also love to talk about how Flock
CEO was on CNN

5064
04:23:37,710 --> 04:23:41,460
going on about how evil police
officers are

5065
04:23:41,527 --> 04:23:44,864
giving his sweet, innocent
surveillance system a bad name.

5066
04:23:46,543 --> 04:23:50,370
And how his ALPRs are going to solve
all crime forever.

5067
04:23:51,569 --> 04:23:54,919
It certainly isn't the first time an
ALPR company has marketed itself

5068
04:23:54,986 --> 04:23:59,043
by stoking public distrust of the
police. Axon?

5069
04:24:00,022 --> 04:24:01,571
But I need to wrap this up.

5070
04:24:01,881 --> 04:24:05,041
The true purpose of all ALPR systems

5071
04:24:05,108 --> 04:24:07,639
is to cast a mass dragnet over the
population in search

5072
04:24:07,706 --> 04:24:11,013
of data it can sell.

5073
04:24:11,673 --> 04:24:14,194
In Texas, police install car card
readers into their

5074
04:24:14,261 --> 04:24:16,179
patrol vehicles.

5075
04:24:16,519 --> 04:24:19,290
And if they got a hit on their ALPRs
for somebody with an

5076
04:24:19,357 --> 04:24:20,958
unpaid parking ticket,

5077
04:24:21,025 --> 04:24:24,296
that OD is criminal was offered the
chance to pay his parking

5078
04:24:24,363 --> 04:24:27,340
ticket on the spot or go to jail.

5079
04:24:27,830 --> 04:24:31,580
There was a 25% fee tacked on top of

5080
04:24:31,647 --> 04:24:33,645
of the ticket.

5081
04:24:34,005 --> 04:24:36,955
And that fine or that 25% went
directly to the ALPR

5082
04:24:37,022 --> 04:24:40,220
company Vigilant.

5083
04:24:41,968 --> 04:24:45,069
Also, that company got to keep all
data perceived to have

5084
04:24:45,136 --> 04:24:46,618
commercial value without any limit on
how long

5085
04:24:46,685 --> 04:24:49,103
it can be retained.

5086
04:24:49,712 --> 04:24:52,530
The purpose of a system is what it
does.

5087
04:24:53,110 --> 04:24:56,077
And to our officers, don't trust
these companies.

5088
04:24:56,647 --> 04:24:59,427
To these CEOs, your one human life
only has value in so

5089
04:24:59,494 --> 04:25:03,314
far as they can expend it

5090
04:25:03,381 --> 04:25:07,868
in the pursuit and protection of
their hoarded wealth and power.

5091
04:25:08,887 --> 04:25:09,909
Thank you. Thank you.

5092
04:25:09,976 --> 04:25:15,255
[applause]

5093
04:25:15,322 --> 04:25:18,202
Okay, make sure everyone signs in,
please. It's just part of the
requirement.

5094
04:25:18,269 --> 04:25:19,695
I know, just really, thank you. Go.

5095
04:25:19,762 --> 04:25:21,754
Chris Stuart, St. St. Clair Shores
resident.

5096
04:25:21,821 --> 04:25:24,182
Uh, I don't have anything prepared,
honestly.

5097
04:25:24,249 --> 04:25:26,290
Um, I really honestly just came up
here.

5098
04:25:26,357 --> 04:25:27,619
Mostly wanted to say thank you.

5099
04:25:27,686 --> 04:25:29,228
I know everyone's already tired.

5100
04:25:29,295 --> 04:25:32,175
Uh, this was phenomenal.

5101
04:25:32,242 --> 04:25:34,393
I was here actually when you guys,
uh,

5102
04:25:34,460 --> 04:25:37,151
originally passed this a year ago.

5103
04:25:37,218 --> 04:25:39,100
Uh, and I remember it just like kind
of slipped through

5104
04:25:39,167 --> 04:25:40,838
as like this small thing and it
sounded like

5105
04:25:40,905 --> 04:25:42,807
it was a good thing, but the more
I've learned

5106
04:25:42,874 --> 04:25:45,405
over over the last year, just like
you guys,

5107
04:25:45,472 --> 04:25:49,391
I've had my eyes very wide open.

5108
04:25:49,458 --> 04:25:50,291
Um,

5109
04:25:50,358 --> 04:25:51,191
[gavel thumps]

5110
04:25:51,361 --> 04:25:53,382
I'll say this, I feel like Flock

5111
04:25:53,449 --> 04:25:56,420
turns law enforcement on its head.

5112
04:25:56,487 --> 04:26:00,856
It feels like we are now required to

5113
04:26:00,923 --> 04:26:03,264
it's guilty until proven innocent.

5114
04:26:03,331 --> 04:26:05,952
Um, there have been people who have
been

5115
04:26:06,019 --> 04:26:07,391
targeted, uh,

5116
04:26:07,458 --> 04:26:12,117
that have had to prove that the
license plate reader actually

5117
04:26:12,184 --> 04:26:14,375
read the wrong information and that
was

5118
04:26:14,442 --> 04:26:16,054
just simply someone that simply
looked

5119
04:26:16,121 --> 04:26:18,112
like her that happened to drive the
same

5120
04:26:18,179 --> 04:26:20,810
type of truck. But she hap happened
to have her own video

5121
04:26:20,877 --> 04:26:25,666
recording of that day.

5122
04:26:25,733 --> 04:26:27,645
And was able to prove in court and

5123
04:26:27,712 --> 04:26:30,343
prove her innocence, but it flips

5124
04:26:30,410 --> 04:26:32,891
the script. This isn't how we should
behave.

5125
04:26:32,958 --> 04:26:34,629
She just happened to have the
resources

5126
04:26:34,696 --> 04:26:38,106
to be able to defend herself, but
that's not great.

5127
04:26:38,173 --> 04:26:40,295
Um, I also wanted to correct a little
bit

5128
04:26:40,362 --> 04:26:42,860
of record here. Uh, when you
mentioned 32,

5129
04:26:43,429 --> 04:26:45,241
that might be what the what the
county

5130
04:26:45,308 --> 04:26:48,018
owns specifically, but you can go to
D-Flock.

5131
04:26:48,085 --> 04:26:50,237
And it shows accurately where the 12
cameras

5132
04:26:50,304 --> 04:26:51,965
are here in St. Clair Shores. There
are

5133
04:26:52,032 --> 04:26:55,862
770 roughly in in Macomb,

5134
04:26:55,929 --> 04:26:58,320
from what I can tell. There are over
1800

5135
04:26:58,387 --> 04:27:01,765
here in Southeast Michigan, these
cameras.

5136
04:27:02,194 --> 04:27:05,285
If you look nationwide, it's 142,000.

5137
04:27:05,352 --> 04:27:06,723
These are numbers that I literally
just looked up

5138
04:27:06,790 --> 04:27:08,392
while I was in my chair here.

5139
04:27:08,459 --> 04:27:11,547
So it's very easy to find all these
cameras.

5140
04:27:12,146 --> 04:27:14,967
This is massive surveillance, massive

5141
04:27:15,034 --> 04:27:16,795
surveillance on a scale that we've
never

5142
04:27:16,862 --> 04:27:18,287
seen before.

5143
04:27:18,891 --> 04:27:22,848
The technology that exists is
incredibly powerful.

5144
04:27:23,347 --> 04:27:26,348
These companies are aggregating this
information.

5145
04:27:26,415 --> 04:27:28,826
And yes, our law enforcement officers
may be using

5146
04:27:28,893 --> 04:27:31,274
this information broadly correctly,

5147
04:27:31,341 --> 04:27:33,712
but that doesn't necessarily mean
that they

5148
04:27:33,779 --> 04:27:35,750
are using this information correctly.

5149
04:27:35,817 --> 04:27:37,869
And how many of you have had? I I've
had

5150
04:27:37,936 --> 04:27:40,669
at least a dozen, uh,

5151
04:27:42,292 --> 04:27:44,683
mailers from companies who've had
their

5152
04:27:44,750 --> 04:27:46,661
data breached. I've had my medical

5153
04:27:46,728 --> 04:27:49,050
information, social security,
everything

5154
04:27:49,117 --> 04:27:51,198
about me has been exposed in these
last

5155
04:27:51,265 --> 04:27:54,545
couple of years. AT&T, my and uh

5156
04:27:54,612 --> 04:27:57,223
health insurance company. Uh, I've
had

5157
04:27:57,290 --> 04:28:01,570
my um, like medical offices, uh,

5158
04:28:01,637 --> 04:28:03,528
all of my information's been exposed.

5159
04:28:03,595 --> 04:28:06,216
I don't trust another company

5160
04:28:06,283 --> 04:28:08,344
to have this much information

5161
04:28:08,411 --> 04:28:09,763
all in one place.

5162
04:28:09,830 --> 04:28:11,871
It it's bad enough for a government

5163
04:28:11,938 --> 04:28:14,279
to have this kind of level.

5164
04:28:14,346 --> 04:28:16,358
If we had a statewide database, it'd
be one thing,

5165
04:28:16,425 --> 04:28:18,326
but we're talking about a national

5166
04:28:18,393 --> 04:28:21,224
private company who has a notoriously

5167
04:28:21,291 --> 04:28:23,032
weak security system.

5168
04:28:23,099 --> 04:28:25,570
That's reckless and irresponsible.

5169
04:28:25,637 --> 04:28:27,139
And I I don't think we should be a
part

5170
04:28:27,206 --> 04:28:28,928
of that system. We're only talking
about

5171
04:28:28,995 --> 04:28:31,336
12 cameras in this city.

5172
04:28:31,403 --> 04:28:34,683
We have a long, long fight to get rid
of

5173
04:28:34,750 --> 04:28:38,523
142,000 cameras nationwide.

5174
04:28:39,406 --> 04:28:40,738
It's shocking.

5175
04:28:41,410 --> 04:28:42,243
Thank you.

5176
04:28:42,310 --> 04:28:47,366
[applause]

5177
04:28:47,800 --> 04:28:48,722
Good evening.

5178
04:28:48,789 --> 04:28:50,640
My name is Richard Shafer.

5179
04:28:50,707 --> 04:28:53,508
You know, I came here tonight to uh,
introduce myself.

5180
04:28:53,575 --> 04:28:56,456
I'm running for trustee of Macomb
Community College.

5181
04:28:56,523 --> 04:28:57,914
what city what city did you reside
in, sir?

5182
04:28:57,981 --> 04:28:59,433
I'm sorry. Clinton Township.

5183
04:28:59,500 --> 04:29:01,142
Thank you. County of Macomb.

5184
04:29:01,209 --> 04:29:02,541
Um,

5185
04:29:03,387 --> 04:29:06,428
You know, four hours ago, I thought
about bailing, right?

5186
04:29:06,495 --> 04:29:07,344
I'll be honest with you.

5187
04:29:07,411 --> 04:29:09,698
And and hear me out, right?

5188
04:29:10,032 --> 04:29:12,323
But listening to all of you, right,
civil

5189
04:29:12,390 --> 04:29:14,921
activity, civil involvement

5190
04:29:14,988 --> 04:29:18,191
is the core, is the essence of this
country.

5191
04:29:18,795 --> 04:29:21,985
So you all do deserve a round of
applause

5192
04:29:22,052 --> 04:29:24,573
for coming out and speaking and
having

5193
04:29:24,640 --> 04:29:27,081
an effect on your community. So I
applaud you all.

5194
04:29:27,148 --> 04:29:29,559
[applause]

5195
04:29:29,626 --> 04:29:31,977
Also to the board, out of respect for
you,

5196
04:29:32,044 --> 04:29:34,055
I did not leave because you you know,

5197
04:29:34,122 --> 04:29:35,464
we asked you for your time, right?

5198
04:29:35,531 --> 04:29:37,483
And and I give you I really do
appreciate

5199
04:29:37,550 --> 04:29:40,537
you giving me the opportunity to
introduce myself.

5200
04:29:40,667 --> 04:29:41,919
Um, I am a former veteran.

5201
04:29:41,986 --> 04:29:45,346
I use my GI bill to go to Macomb
Community College.

5202
04:29:45,413 --> 04:29:47,305
Um, I transferred to Baker after
that.

5203
04:29:47,372 --> 04:29:49,573
Last year I graduated from Macomb
Community College

5204
04:29:49,640 --> 04:29:51,981
as a as a public chaplain.

5205
04:29:52,048 --> 04:29:53,600
So Macomb Community College is near

5206
04:29:53,667 --> 04:29:55,561
and dear to my heart, okay?

5207
04:29:55,895 --> 04:29:57,836
And you know, the question I get is
why?

5208
04:29:57,903 --> 04:30:01,344
Why do you want to be a trustee at
Macomb Community College?

5209
04:30:01,411 --> 04:30:04,154
The the board that's there doing a
great job.

5210
04:30:04,258 --> 04:30:05,760
But if you listen to the politicians
right now,

5211
04:30:05,827 --> 04:30:08,228
everybody's talking about putting
shop class

5212
04:30:08,295 --> 04:30:12,248
back in to high school, right? Back
into public schools.

5213
04:30:12,476 --> 04:30:17,025
And I still have the candlestick that
I made in shop class.

5214
04:30:17,092 --> 04:30:20,622
I still have the lazy Susan I made.
So shop class in high school is
important.

5215
04:30:20,689 --> 04:30:23,238
But what we need is a community
college

5216
04:30:23,305 --> 04:30:24,803
that aligns themselves with the

5217
04:30:24,870 --> 04:30:28,326
building trades and creates these
jobs.

5218
04:30:28,393 --> 04:30:31,132
There's a 300,000 electrician

5219
04:30:31,199 --> 04:30:33,230
shortage over the next 10,000

5220
04:30:33,297 --> 04:30:36,167
year or 10, 10,000 years, 10 years.

5221
04:30:36,237 --> 04:30:38,725
God forbid we're all here 10,000
years from now.

5222
04:30:39,044 --> 04:30:40,044
[laughter]

5223
04:30:41,662 --> 04:30:42,764
Um,

5224
04:30:42,831 --> 04:30:45,420
So, with my experience in the
building

5225
04:30:45,487 --> 04:30:48,387
trades and my ability to communicate,

5226
04:30:48,487 --> 04:30:50,616
I believe that I can get some
dialogue

5227
04:30:50,683 --> 04:30:52,315
going between the community college

5228
04:30:52,382 --> 04:30:53,935
and the building trades.

5229
04:30:54,002 --> 04:30:55,145
And we can create these jobs.

5230
04:30:55,212 --> 04:30:57,211
And a union electrician right now,

5231
04:30:57,278 --> 04:30:58,910
love or hate the union, they're

5232
04:30:58,977 --> 04:31:00,208
making $57 an hour

5233
04:31:00,275 --> 04:31:02,805
plus 42% benefits.

5234
04:31:03,215 --> 04:31:05,005
If we could bring some of that to the

5235
04:31:05,072 --> 04:31:07,203
community college and create some
jobs

5236
04:31:07,270 --> 04:31:09,001
like that, think what we could do

5237
04:31:09,068 --> 04:31:10,439
for this community.

5238
04:31:10,549 --> 04:31:11,841
Right?

5239
04:31:11,908 --> 04:31:12,741
Um,

5240
04:31:12,808 --> 04:31:14,970
So, again, my name is Richard Shafer.

5241
04:31:15,037 --> 04:31:16,896
I'm running for Macomb County trusty,

5242
04:31:16,963 --> 04:31:20,113
if you would vote for me, I'd greatly
appreciate it and thank you for your
time.

5243
04:31:20,180 --> 04:31:21,013
Thank you.

5244
04:31:21,080 --> 04:31:24,000
[applause]

5245
04:31:25,755 --> 04:31:26,588
Hello?

5246
04:31:26,655 --> 04:31:30,545
The mayor kinda screwed what I was
gonna do for my speech.

5247
04:31:30,975 --> 04:31:32,537
And God bless you, sir.

5248
04:31:32,604 --> 04:31:35,504
If you guys, uh, Mayor Walby, is it?

5249
04:31:35,571 --> 04:31:37,081
If you guys don't re-elect him

5250
04:31:37,148 --> 04:31:39,079
and if he's not up for re-election

5251
04:31:39,146 --> 04:31:40,978
and you don't make him run for like

5252
04:31:41,045 --> 04:31:42,477
council or not council but like

5253
04:31:42,544 --> 04:31:45,456
state representative Congress,
something, that's all your fault.

5254
04:31:45,523 --> 04:31:47,473
I've been all over the state fighting

5255
04:31:47,540 --> 04:31:49,471
this and most of the time, you'll
have

5256
04:31:49,538 --> 04:31:51,769
a room full of people and the tyrant

5257
04:31:51,836 --> 04:31:53,800
board will do their tyrant ways.

5258
04:31:53,867 --> 04:31:55,198
This one did not.

5259
04:31:55,575 --> 04:31:58,376
[applause]
Everybody up here! Bravo!

5260
04:31:58,443 --> 04:32:00,162
And that don't come lightly for me.

5261
04:32:00,229 --> 04:32:02,161
And I am gonna say my name and I'm

5262
04:32:02,228 --> 04:32:03,812
not from here. I'm from uh Mount
Morris.

5263
04:32:03,879 --> 04:32:05,091
Normally I don't do that.

5264
04:32:05,158 --> 04:32:06,857
Normally my name's Jason We the

5265
04:32:06,924 --> 04:32:09,155
People and I'm from 1776 Boulevard.

5266
04:32:09,222 --> 04:32:10,954
And if you want to get us started,

5267
04:32:11,021 --> 04:32:12,153
42 USC 1983's straight

5268
04:32:12,220 --> 04:32:13,871
qualified immunity.

5269
04:32:14,320 --> 04:32:17,128
But because of your mayor, I'll tell
you everything.

5270
04:32:17,228 --> 04:32:18,140
Thank God for him.

5271
04:32:18,207 --> 04:32:21,308
You guys, I'm telling you, I can't
say it enough. I can't say it enough.

5272
04:32:21,375 --> 04:32:23,056
He said bag 'em, are you kidding me?

5273
04:32:23,123 --> 04:32:25,142
It's amazing. Anyhow, let's get into

5274
04:32:25,209 --> 04:32:26,675
this right here, since we're on

5275
04:32:26,742 --> 04:32:28,232
Constitution week here.

5276
04:32:28,299 --> 04:32:30,937
I want to talk about the Declaration
of Independence.

5277
04:32:31,496 --> 04:32:34,227
It says right here into the second
paragraph here,

5278
04:32:34,294 --> 04:32:38,214
We hold these truths to be
self-evident that all men are created
equal.

5279
04:32:38,281 --> 04:32:42,331
that they are endowed by their
creator with certain inalienable
rights.

5280
04:32:42,398 --> 04:32:45,565
Our rights come from God, not the
Constitution. It's just outlined in
there.

5281
04:32:45,765 --> 04:32:50,401
That among these are life, liberty,
and the pursuit of happiness.

5282
04:32:50,751 --> 04:32:54,751
And to secure those rights,
governments are instituted among men.

5283
04:32:54,818 --> 04:32:57,958
What just happened tonight was the
government securing our rights.

5284
04:32:58,025 --> 04:32:59,357
Bravo again!

5285
04:33:01,103 --> 04:33:05,122
and deriving their just powers from
the consent of the governed.

5286
04:33:05,189 --> 04:33:08,147
I would totally give consent to be
governed by that gentleman.

5287
04:33:08,567 --> 04:33:09,949
No, and that don't come lightly for
me.

5288
04:33:10,016 --> 04:33:11,814
Go look at my videos, I'm telling
you.

5289
04:33:12,014 --> 04:33:15,971
You literally, normally it's shit
show on steroids up here.

5290
04:33:16,201 --> 04:33:17,501
Oh! And um, oh, that's first

5291
04:33:17,568 --> 04:33:18,933
amendment protected activity

5292
04:33:19,000 --> 04:33:20,798
Cohen B California 1971, War Jacket

5293
04:33:20,865 --> 04:33:22,497
into the Supreme Court, it said F the

5294
04:33:22,564 --> 04:33:24,295
draft, and I said F to be nice
because

5295
04:33:24,362 --> 04:33:25,994
of your mayor, and the Supreme Court

5296
04:33:26,061 --> 04:33:27,393
upheld his right to do it. Next.

5297
04:33:28,940 --> 04:33:31,989
That whenever any form of government

5298
04:33:32,056 --> 04:33:34,687
becomes destructive of these ends,

5299
04:33:34,754 --> 04:33:36,985
it is the right of the people to

5300
04:33:37,052 --> 04:33:39,583
alter or abolish it. And to institute

5301
04:33:39,650 --> 04:33:42,281
a new government laying its
foundations

5302
04:33:42,348 --> 04:33:44,879
on such principles, and organizing
its

5303
04:33:44,946 --> 04:33:47,876
powers in such form, as to them shall

5304
04:33:47,943 --> 04:33:50,274
seem most likely to their effect for

5305
04:33:50,341 --> 04:33:52,272
safety and happiness.

5306
04:33:53,771 --> 04:33:55,070
We can stop there. It's a go,

5307
04:33:55,137 --> 04:33:56,501
you know, the Declaration of

5308
04:33:56,568 --> 04:33:58,268
The point is, is the right of the

5309
04:33:58,335 --> 04:34:00,366
people to abolish a corrupt
government,

5310
04:34:00,433 --> 04:34:02,065
like a government that thinks you
don't

5311
04:34:02,132 --> 04:34:03,464
have a freedom of speech at the
podium.

5312
04:34:03,822 --> 04:34:05,762
You know? But these flock cameras,
man,

5313
04:34:05,829 --> 04:34:07,594
they are, first off, when she the

5314
04:34:07,661 --> 04:34:09,841
lady earlier was hitting on Peter
Teal.

5315
04:34:09,908 --> 04:34:12,149
He's a frequent Epstein flyer.

5316
04:34:12,216 --> 04:34:13,656
You want to see some real

5317
04:34:13,723 --> 04:34:14,855
troubling stuff, Mayor?

5318
04:34:14,922 --> 04:34:16,332
Look at the ones pointed at
playgrounds.

5319
04:34:16,452 --> 04:34:18,052
That'll really infuriate you and

5320
04:34:18,119 --> 04:34:19,651
they're all over and people are

5321
04:34:19,718 --> 04:34:21,042
putting videos all over social media.

5322
04:34:21,109 --> 04:34:22,548
Go right on TikTok, YouTube,

5323
04:34:22,615 --> 04:34:24,147
Facebook, type it in, flock

5324
04:34:24,214 --> 04:34:26,387
playground, and you'll get it.

5325
04:34:26,454 --> 04:34:28,456
all over the states they're doing
that.

5326
04:34:28,523 --> 04:34:30,361
I thought they only read license
plates.

5327
04:34:30,461 --> 04:34:31,783
Seems to be a lie there.

5328
04:34:31,850 --> 04:34:33,839
Next. Talking about our uh chief

5329
04:34:33,906 --> 04:34:36,259
over here and our police force.

5330
04:34:36,326 --> 04:34:41,312
One of the end goals of flock is to
replace 70 to 80% of officers.

5331
04:34:41,772 --> 04:34:43,104
Have them unemployed.

5332
04:34:43,171 --> 04:34:45,030
They're literally just going to be

5333
04:34:45,097 --> 04:34:46,729
going to go pick up people for

5334
04:34:46,796 --> 04:34:48,727
parking tickets or whatever these

5335
04:34:48,794 --> 04:34:50,315
stupid cameras, you know, flag.

5336
04:34:50,845 --> 04:34:52,424
And what do you need investigative

5337
04:34:52,491 --> 04:34:54,023
officers for? What do you need any

5338
04:34:54,090 --> 04:34:55,422
of that stuff for?

5339
04:34:55,501 --> 04:34:56,703
You know? You don't. It's ridiculous.

5340
04:34:56,770 --> 04:35:01,289
These things are a complete
abomination of this Constitution.

5341
04:35:01,356 --> 04:35:03,025
Like I read to you earlier.

5342
04:35:03,195 --> 04:35:04,914
I know it's getting late and again,

5343
04:35:04,981 --> 04:35:06,713
God bless your mayor and you people

5344
04:35:06,780 --> 04:35:09,073
better rally behind him and stay
behind him.

5345
04:35:09,140 --> 04:35:10,810
And I ain't never said that in my
life,

5346
04:35:10,877 --> 04:35:12,268
and I'm actually gonna sign in for
you too.

5347
04:35:12,609 --> 04:35:18,904
[applause]

5348
04:35:19,054 --> 04:35:20,726
Uh, hello, my name is Miranda
Panowski.

5349
04:35:20,793 --> 04:35:22,654
I am a St. Clair Shores resident,

5350
04:35:22,721 --> 04:35:24,932
and this is actually pretty personal

5351
04:35:24,999 --> 04:35:26,191
to me because where I live, I live on

5352
04:35:26,258 --> 04:35:28,520
St. Margaret's Street in between uh,
13 and Masonic.

5353
04:35:28,587 --> 04:35:33,892
There's a flat camera right on the
turnaround, right on the uh, where
St. Clair Shores and Roseville meet.

5354
04:35:34,192 --> 04:35:36,513
Uh, I used to work at Walgreens,
Masonic and Harbor.

5355
04:35:36,580 --> 04:35:38,801
Every day, I would drive past that

5356
04:35:38,868 --> 04:35:42,139
camera because it's it catches my uh
vehicle as I turn.

5357
04:35:42,206 --> 04:35:45,863
And every day I'd drive back home and
do the turn around, catch me on the
way home.

5358
04:35:46,143 --> 04:35:51,888
So, as I was paying listening to what
the chief said, and I respect what
they do, and I appreciate our police
department, but

5359
04:35:52,977 --> 04:35:56,095
it really isn't just if you come and
exit the city?

5360
04:35:56,244 --> 04:35:58,633
I get I got hit by it every single
day.

5361
04:35:59,472 --> 04:36:02,040
And I just appreciate all of you up
here

5362
04:36:02,380 --> 04:36:04,591
actually doing this, and actually

5363
04:36:04,658 --> 04:36:08,115
like committing to uh bagging these
and putting more time into it.

5364
04:36:08,415 --> 04:36:10,506
Also, dead on.

5365
04:36:10,573 --> 04:36:14,300
I have Mr. Wabi, I don't think you've
ever run a post in my lifetime.

5366
04:36:14,570 --> 04:36:16,228
until what he was saying.

5367
04:36:16,428 --> 04:36:20,588
I I just want to add to that because
I'm like, you know what? You're been
a good mayor the whole time I've been
here.

5368
04:36:20,655 --> 04:36:23,423
I've been here since 2011, Lake View
alumni.

5369
04:36:24,742 --> 04:36:28,202
I had no issues with this council the
entire time I've been here.

5370
04:36:28,269 --> 04:36:30,960
I was in the scouts, I went to City
Council meetings all the time

5371
04:36:31,027 --> 04:36:33,827
when I was younger because, you know,
you had to

5372
04:36:33,894 --> 04:36:35,843
for certain merit badges.

5373
04:36:36,202 --> 04:36:42,041
And uh I appreciate how well there
are some lapses in judgment,

5374
04:36:42,108 --> 04:36:43,836
judgment as time goes on.

5375
04:36:44,096 --> 04:36:46,084
We're back on the right track
currently.

5376
04:36:46,664 --> 04:36:51,620
And that's really all I had to say. I
just want to say thank you for
actually deciding to take the time.

5377
04:36:52,130 --> 04:36:56,726
[applause]

5378
04:36:57,495 --> 04:36:59,187
Hi, I'm Karen Costley,

5379
04:36:59,254 --> 04:37:02,202
and I'm a St. Clair Shores resident.

5380
04:37:02,521 --> 04:37:06,438
Um, I want to say thank you for
listening.

5381
04:37:07,317 --> 04:37:09,449
Because that meant so much

5382
04:37:09,516 --> 04:37:14,285
that you all would take the time to
actually listen

5383
04:37:14,352 --> 04:37:18,948
to the people of your city.

5384
04:37:19,248 --> 04:37:20,580
Thank you.

5385
04:37:21,306 --> 04:37:23,248
The other thing I want to say is

5386
04:37:23,315 --> 04:37:26,695
and this is probably more of a

5387
04:37:26,762 --> 04:37:31,221
school board issue, than your issue,

5388
04:37:31,288 --> 04:37:34,109
but I wanted you to be aware, I don't

5389
04:37:34,176 --> 04:37:37,077
know if you are aware, of this
situation that has happened,

5390
04:37:37,144 --> 04:37:43,459
but it's become national news, St.
Clair Shores,

5391
04:37:43,578 --> 04:37:46,016
for a gym teacher

5392
04:37:46,136 --> 04:37:48,514
that is requiring

5393
04:37:49,494 --> 04:37:53,404
the the girls in the class

5394
04:37:53,471 --> 04:37:57,790
to give them, um, their period,

5395
04:37:57,857 --> 04:37:59,808
their ministration schedules

5396
04:37:59,875 --> 04:38:03,655
and how long their ministration

5397
04:38:03,722 --> 04:38:06,300
period is.

5398
04:38:07,050 --> 04:38:11,229
It's you we've made national news.

5399
04:38:11,296 --> 04:38:17,162
Talk about privacy, we're here
because we want our privacy.

5400
04:38:17,601 --> 04:38:22,840
This is a really horrific thing for
us to make national news.

5401
04:38:22,907 --> 04:38:25,565
I'm like, I'm so embarrassed.

5402
04:38:25,895 --> 04:38:28,353
that we would be

5403
04:38:29,652 --> 04:38:32,459
be for for this?

5404
04:38:33,369 --> 04:38:35,787
This shows how

5405
04:38:37,056 --> 04:38:40,206
our rights, our freedoms.

5406
04:38:40,273 --> 04:38:43,201
They're so precious.

5407
04:38:44,729 --> 04:38:46,668
we have to fight for them.

5408
04:38:47,377 --> 04:38:51,557
And thank you for listening, and like
I said, I know this is probably

5409
04:38:51,624 --> 04:38:54,235
more of a school board issue.

5410
04:38:54,302 --> 04:38:56,653
It is. But you needed to know.

5411
04:38:56,720 --> 04:39:01,076
I didn't know if you know, but it's
national news and it's embarrassing.

5412
04:39:01,556 --> 04:39:06,772
[applause]

5413
04:39:07,321 --> 04:39:08,314
Hello, good evening.

5414
04:39:08,381 --> 04:39:09,353
Good evening.

5415
04:39:09,420 --> 04:39:10,968
Timothy Venvechten, uh St. Clair
Shores.

5416
04:39:11,908 --> 04:39:14,715
just thank you again. Appreciate you
guys listening to us.

5417
04:39:15,785 --> 04:39:18,872
not going to really get into a ton of
details with what I had planned, but

5418
04:39:19,412 --> 04:39:24,341
what Councilman Vitali touched on was
the kind of in response to the
success stories.

5419
04:39:24,408 --> 04:39:28,547
There are just horror story after
horror story regarding the either the

5420
04:39:28,614 --> 04:39:32,374
misappropriation or the inaccuracies
of Flock.

5421
04:39:32,441 --> 04:39:37,297
And one one detail I found out
recently that was wildly incredible.

5422
04:39:38,037 --> 04:39:41,694
Atlanta, Georgia has 5,000 flock
cameras, which they put up.

5423
04:39:42,573 --> 04:39:48,488
They those collection of cameras take
20 billion with a B photos per month.

5424
04:39:49,707 --> 04:39:56,082
Um, Young Lady earlier mentioned, uh,
I think Flock's estimation of their
accuracy was 96%.

5425
04:39:56,472 --> 04:40:00,891
Even if you account or even if you
assign them 99% accuracy,

5426
04:40:00,958 --> 04:40:05,505
that's still 200 million mistakes per
month that those cameras collect.

5427
04:40:05,964 --> 04:40:09,305
So, just some food for thought. We
appreciate you putting the bags up.

5428
04:40:09,372 --> 04:40:11,870
That's step one, obviously next step
is hopefully they come.

5429
04:40:12,271 --> 04:40:13,104
Appreciate it.

5430
04:40:13,171 --> 04:40:14,004
Thank you.

5431
04:40:14,071 --> 04:40:18,121
[applause]

5432
04:40:18,530 --> 04:40:23,227
Hi, I'm Rosemary Ashley, St. Clair
Shores resident for decades and
decades.

5433
04:40:23,446 --> 04:40:29,035
Thank you for listening to the people
and even more, thank you to the
people

5434
04:40:29,102 --> 04:40:32,792
from our city and outside our city
from coming in here

5435
04:40:32,859 --> 04:40:35,130
and uh working with our council.

5436
04:40:35,197 --> 04:40:36,030
Thank you.

5437
04:40:36,097 --> 04:40:40,237
[applause]

5438
04:40:43,121 --> 04:40:43,954
Sorry.

5439
04:40:44,021 --> 04:40:46,182
[laughter]
No, we have another.

5440
04:40:52,687 --> 04:40:56,657
Hi, I, um, my name is Jonathan
Mansinger, St. Clair Shores resident.

5441
04:40:56,724 --> 04:41:01,423
Just like everyone else, I just want
to thank you. Really appreciate you
guys putting the bags up.

5442
04:41:01,490 --> 04:41:06,706
Um, one of the questions that wasn't
asked was when the bags would go up?

5443
04:41:07,845 --> 04:41:10,905
And I don't know if I can get a
response from you guys now or

5444
04:41:10,972 --> 04:41:12,524
Uh, I, I, tomorrow, tomorrow.

5445
04:41:12,591 --> 04:41:13,424
Yeah.

5446
04:41:13,491 --> 04:41:14,324
Sweet.

5447
04:41:14,391 --> 04:41:15,224
Okay.

5448
04:41:15,291 --> 04:41:19,710
We'll, we obviously get the DBW, but
it'll be up by tomorrow and done by

5449
04:41:19,777 --> 04:41:20,610
tomorrow afternoon.

5450
04:41:20,677 --> 04:41:21,510
Okay.

5451
04:41:21,577 --> 04:41:22,410
Cool.

5452
04:41:22,477 --> 04:41:23,310
Yeah.

5453
04:41:23,377 --> 04:41:27,747
And uh, I had a question for
Councilwoman Burgess.

5454
04:41:27,814 --> 04:41:31,124
you just, you just have to give him
to give him to the direct him to the
chair, which is me.

5455
04:41:31,191 --> 04:41:32,953
And but we, we don't usually
interact.

5456
04:41:33,020 --> 04:41:34,352
So we just, you you send it, you
know.

5457
04:41:35,288 --> 04:41:40,634
Um, I, it was uh in relation to the
10 mile and 94 cleanup.

5458
04:41:40,714 --> 04:41:44,473
Um, just wondering if I can bring uh
my 13-year-old son.

5459
04:41:44,540 --> 04:41:45,373
Yes.

5460
04:41:45,440 --> 04:41:46,273
Okay.

5461
04:41:46,340 --> 04:41:47,173
Cool.

5462
04:41:47,240 --> 04:41:48,202
Well, thank you guys.

5463
04:41:48,269 --> 04:41:49,601
There you go.

5464
04:41:49,811 --> 04:41:51,143
Thank you.

5465
04:41:51,393 --> 04:41:53,491
There you go, right, perfect.

5466
04:41:54,790 --> 04:41:56,662
Anyone else at 11:35?

5467
04:41:56,729 --> 04:41:58,038
[laughter]

5468
04:41:58,627 --> 04:41:59,869
We have to vote her now?

5469
04:41:59,936 --> 04:42:01,937
[laughter] No, no. Still no. No.

5470
04:42:02,004 --> 04:42:03,446
No, but it's, it's long.

5471
04:42:03,513 --> 04:42:05,022
Can't about the half, half.

5472
04:42:05,142 --> 04:42:08,023
we have mayor's comments. We're not
going to have any so

5473
04:42:08,090 --> 04:42:10,031
Move to adjourn. We will now move
forward with return by Mr. Karen
supported

5474
04:42:10,098 --> 04:42:14,078
by Mr. Frederick for Joan. All in
favor.

5475
04:42:14,145 --> 04:42:14,978
Aye.

5476
04:42:15,045 --> 04:42:16,287
All opposed.

5477
04:42:16,354 --> 04:42:17,686
Good night.