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I'd like to welcome you to our council meeting this January the 24th, 2019, and the interest of time, efficiency, ensuring that everyone who wishes to address the council has given the opportunity to do so, the following will apply to all comments made by the public. If you desire to be recognized by the chair, please fill out a request form and present it to the city clerk present here in the council chambers. Each speaker shall be allotted three minutes to address the council.

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Let's unless that's time is extended by the mayor or by questions from council group shall designate a spokesperson to avoid repetition of comments every effort will be made to avoid interrupting speakers.

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Thank you for participating in your city government and we ask that you please sign all your electronic devices with that I call this meeting order.

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I'd like for us to stand for our invocation.

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Our invocation will be given by Bishop Sam Hott from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after which, if you'll please remain standing, for our pledge and I'd like to ask Councilman Cooper if you'll lead us in our pledge.

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Our Father in Heaven, we bow our heads before the this evening in gratitude for all that that was blessed us with.

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we thank thee for the wonderful city that we reside in and we call home we thank thee for the

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rain we've received and for the many blessings that we have being a part of this community and we

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ask thee this time to please bless us with thy spirit to have good judgment understanding and and help

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to make important decisions we ask thee to bless our leaders and those concerned members of our

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community they're here to help and we also ask special blessing upon our youth that they'll be

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led and guided and helped to make good choices in their everyday lives. We love thee and we pray

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for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, amen. Thank you, Pastor Hawke.

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Thank you. We've seated.

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Madam Clerk, if you'll call the roll. Mayor Blackwell.

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Here. Deputy Mayor Muthini. Here. Councilmember Cooper. Here. Councilmember I ask you. Here.

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Councilmember Trace. Here.

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First, we have a presentation of Employee of the Month by Rick

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Morrow.

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There you are.

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Good evening. Leslie Klein has been nominated for Employee of the Month

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for his dedication and commitment to the public services lines division.

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Around six months ago, the lines division had lost our crew lead for our construction side,

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and Leslie had offered to take charge of this crew, and also keep up with the maintenance side, which he's crew lead of.

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During this period, we also lost our lead worker on maintenance.

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Leslie had continued to keep both of our divisions going.

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With Leslie's dedication and commitment to the city, he kept our division afloat.

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He's never complained and is provided a high quality of service to our customers.

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I think congratulations.

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Well, we thank you so much for your dedication and all of your work, and I think we'd like to get a picture of that.

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Second,

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we have another presentation and recognition of Stephen Jarvis' retirement, also by Mr. Morrow.

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Steve Jarvis has been with the city for 15 years now.

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He's taken on our role as our fire hydrant technician for the past 11 and a half years.

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He services approximately 1,100 hydrants that we currently have in our system.

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Steve is very serious when it comes to the hydrants.

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He actually refers to him as his little buddies.

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He has a passion for his little buddies and he keeps a high standard for the reliability and

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for their operations.

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She's been a great asset to the public services, lines division, and we greatly missed.

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Steve's also a proud veteran in the US military servant 22 years in the Navy.

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Steve, congratulations.

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Well, second retirement, I've been really blessed, and I just have to thank my wife Boniface

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Shea back here for her support.

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I can't give me out the door every day at 5 o'clock in the morning to get over here and take

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care of business.

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I also want to thank Diana, my director for her support.

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Rick has really been the backbone of our division.

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I want to thank Lesley Klein back here as my crew leader for giving me everything I need to do the job.

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But, you know, hydrants are real important.

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They not only save property, but they save lives and I was really, really interested in taking care of those for you all.

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And I just hope the next person that fills my shoes has the same dedication.

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Thank you very much.

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The next portion of tonight's agenda is our citizens forum.

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Any person who desires to comment on any item not in this agenda is provided this opportunity to address the city council.

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Each person is requested to complete a signing form to be provided to the presiding officer prior to as soon as it's practical thereafter.

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The person addresses the council.

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When you come forward, please state your name and address for the record and please limit your comments to three minutes.

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We also ask that you speak as close to the microphone as possible so that we can record it properly and translate it for our ADA's residents who may be watching.

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As you ask, Ms. Huett Crumpler?

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Good evening. He went Crumpler and Michigan Avenue, St. Claude Florida.

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I've got a couple items today. They're pretty serious.

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I'm hoping to keep us out of the news again. I'm just getting tired of being embarrassed.

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So I hope you'll be sincere and listen to my suggestions.

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This has to do with water and the also the treatment of our employees.

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I understand and I could be wrong, feel free to correct me.

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The city started a consulting firm for $49,000 tetratech,

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which brought in another firm called US Waters to do an evaluation of the water plants.

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After US Waters did that evaluation, they recommended that they could bring in their people

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get the water facilities back in order for additional $189,000 and we're still

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having resin problems with water plant number four. I know this is quite

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technical and I apologize for that. And resin at water plant number one is still

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fouling up and the city spent an additional $80,000 to get the plant back up and

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running because of a cost of $10,000 per tote of resin and you've got to have eight

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TOTES at a time. So that's a cost of $80,000 of resin which was thrown away because it's

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no good. And I think we're going to need another eight TOTES. And I'm told by some of the

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city workers that that's not going to work either and that's another $80,000 down the drain.

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So some people have the feeling that we're being fleeced by this firm. I think personally

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when a consultant comes in they should make recommendations but they shouldn't get the

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work. I personally believe that keeps them honest.

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I also think that when an employee has to deal with the consulting firm, they should

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be treated with respect at all times.

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I don't think it's appropriate, and I'm heard that this happened.

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Again, if you have evidence that I'm wrong, please bring it up.

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But I think we need a thorough outside investigation on this.

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I'm told that the person, the consultant, Mr. Perez, actually told our employees, here's

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God, here's me right below, and you don't talk to anybody else.

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Now, if anything close to that happened, I would fire that consultant that day, because

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I think that's totally inappropriate.

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So we need to have an outside investigation, not have the supervisor that's having to

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deal with this consulting firm investigating this kind of treatment.

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If it happened, we need to take corrective action.

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And Mr. Manzeris, I hope that you will recommend we have an outside firm look into it.

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I don't think this is appropriate, and I'm very upset about it, you can tell from my

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tone.

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I spent my whole career in HR, I've investigated a lot of claims, and this one's a no-brainer.

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You can get to the bottom this easily.

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So my suggestion is you've got the wrong consulting firm.

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Lastly, I'd like to see a historical accounting on how we got to where we are with the water situation.

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This is untenable.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Crumple.

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I can assure you that issue is being thoroughly looked into and handled by our city manager's staff.

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That's not true, excuse me Mayor, may I address that?

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Yes, sir.

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There is an outside independent investigation going on.

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US water has come in and straighten out our plants and I'd like to know the person that brought that information because I want you to bring them in front of me like they're supposed to do according to our policy manual and I will deal with it.

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Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Panther, your information is inaccurate.

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Thank you.

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Okay, you did.

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You have anything else?

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No.

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I didn't mean to cut you off, I'm sorry.

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No, thank you.

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Good evening,

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Scott Banta, 97 Hickory Tree Road, Longwood, Florida.

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I'm here to request your indulgence on the Galleria for another extension.

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We're due to have the inspection period be finalized as of the 29th of the next week.

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And we won't be finished with the concept plan.

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We're now scheduled for February 14th in front of Yom for the finalization of the concept plan.

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And in today's capital markets, we're in the neighborhood of $22 million worth of acquisition and infrastructure with a build out value of over $250 million.

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So I'm finding that the time between the approval and receiving full funding is taken a little bit longer than we thought.

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So it would respectfully request that you extend our inspection period till March 28th.

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And we're out there diligently pursuing everything as we're trying to move this forward.

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As you know, this is a huge, beautiful project and we'd love to see it through.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Miseras.

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Sir, can you give us some counsel on this request that's been made here?

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Well, as Mr. Bantle pointed out, the due diligence period expires on the current contract, the due diligence period expires on January 29th, at which point there are additional deposit monies that have to be made in the event that the contract is not terminated by the buyer and whatever deposit or that the city has received on this contract become hard, non-refundable.

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The contract provisions have a provision in it that allows for the due diligence period to be extended for two periods of 30 days each upon additional payment of I think it's $10,000 per period.

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However, that extension carries with it that all deposits then are non-refundable.

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So in the real estate parlance, the money goes hard January 29th of the contract or the contract is terminated at the request of the buyer which they can do.

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The closing date, I don't think Mr. Banta has asked to change the closing date.

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The closing date still at this point remains no later than April 30th and I don't I think

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his request doesn't address changing that so you're still on that schedule for the closing

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of the property.

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So really the only issue before the council, if the council wishes to address it, is do

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you want to provide additional due diligence period that would allow the deposit money that's

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place to remain refundable.

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Council member Trace, the last time he came up and asked for an extension, we gave it

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to him, and I said it was the last time, and that's still my belief.

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So, money's got to go hard, January 29th.

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Okay.

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Any other comments from Council?

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Council member Cooper.

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I don't know if it's super.

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Trace I believe with the same...

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Same conviction, I would say that by the end of this month, by the end of the month, we need to go ahead and hard, hard money is there. So, Councilman, we're asking. What's Mr. Bannon, what if it goes hard, what's your feeling on this? Are you going to be able to continue to move forward? I don't believe we'd be able to continue to move forward. Nobody's going to risk the 50 that's up.

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And then another 135 was 185 prior to the concept plan being approved.

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Number one, and number two, it's just too fast of time.

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It's a big project.

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We're raising 22 million.

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So it's not just the purchase.

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Is there some provision we can put in place to continue the project?

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There is a provision.

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It's $10,000 additional for 30 more days.

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Yeah, and that would buy the additional due diligence period, but would the expense to the buyer to that is the deposit is now hard money and it's not refunded.

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Councilmember Trace.

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Sorry.

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Anything else?

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Councilmember Oscar?

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No.

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I don't think that you have the support of the council to grant the extension at this point.

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Okay, thank you.

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We have done it next week, so we're still working.

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Would anyone else like to speak during the Citizens Forum if

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not when we want to our consent agenda?

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The next portion of tonight's meeting is the consent agenda, which contains items that have been determined to be routine and non-controversial.

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If anyone in the audience wishes to address a particular item on the Consent Agenda, now is the opportunity for you to do so.

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Additionally, it's staff or members of the City Council wish to speak on a consent item.

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They have the same opportunity.

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Would anyone like to speak to the consent agenda?

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If not, do I have discussion and or motion by Council?

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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We have a motion from Councilmember Muthini, a second from Councilmember Cooper, Madam

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Plurk.

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Deputy Mayor Muthini.

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Aye.

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Councilmember Cooper.

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Aye.

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Councilmember Asku.

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Aye.

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Councilmember Trace.

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Aye.

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Mayor Blackwell.

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Aye.

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Motion carries 5-0.

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Thank you.

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That brings us to public hearings.

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It

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has been requested that we begin, first of all, addressing items number six and seven because of some participants that are here, some young children, and so I've considered to do that unless there's any objections from me doing that.

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And Mr. Cooper has also requested that, so Madam Plurt, will you read items number six and seven?

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Resolution number 2019-012R, a resolution of the City Council of the City of St.

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Cloud Florida, granting conditional use to operate a Gymnastic Health Spa Facility at

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1104 B Quotation Court, St. Cloud Florida, a described in the body of this resolution.

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Resolution number 2019-034R, a resolution of the City Council of the City of St.

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Cloud Florida, making a determination of parking spaces required for a Gymnastic Health Spa Facility,

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located at 11-04-B quotation court, St. Claude Florida, as described in the body of this resolution.

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Good evening, Andre Anderson, planning zoning director.

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This is a conditional use request for the property on quotation court to permit a

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gymnastics health staff facility, address 11-04-B quotation court.

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The current zoning is industrial, and the proposed zoning is industrial, and it's I-2.

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The land of them on code table 3-7 requires that properties within this area for

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that use be permitted as a conditional use.

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So it is a permitted use, but it has to have conditions if the council so chooses.

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The government is consistent with the general pattern in the area, and there are no adverse impacts to public facilities at this time.

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It's consistent with the strategic goals for growth management and economic development.

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And they are seeing staff at our meeting in December recommended approval of resolution 2019.

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Justice Year 112R and the Planning Commission at their meeting on January 15th also recommended approval based on the six factual matters in our Land of Women Code.

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that we ask that the City Council also recommends approval of this item.

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The applicant is here if you have any questions.

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Would the applicant like to speak to this item?

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Mr. Mayor, may I ask that we also read the second one?

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So because since they tend to get kind of blended together, but it's related.

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The parking, unless you have an objection to that.

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There are two items.

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Yes, we don't think we're just ready to move on.

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But I haven't talked about the second item yet.

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Okay, go ahead and comment on the second item, then we'll then wait for them to come in.

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I'm sorry, I thought you were done.

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Now, the second part is the parking determination, which is related to this item.

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Again, at the same location, 1104, the quotation court, and

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the code requires, based on the size of the facility, 13 parking spaces.

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And the applicant has to propose a parking determination request to have seven parking spaces

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is based on the fact that it's a one-on-one facility,

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and they would not have more than seven parking spaces

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need at any one time.

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Staff looked at it and agrees

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and doesn't have any objections

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to the proposal for seven parking spaces.

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When this, it's consistent with the growth management

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and economic development policies,

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and staff recommends approval,

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and when this item went before the planning commission,

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they voted three to one in favor,

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but then also recommended that the seven parking spaces be designated specifically for that facility.

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Staff does not support that recommendation to the, for the simple reason that it is a common parking area,

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and we can't really specify and designate any one spot there through their lease would have designated seven spaces anywhere in that facility.

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So if the council wishes to follow planning commission's recommendations, you can do that however staff does not support that recommendation

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But we do recommend the approval of the parking determination for seven parking spaces

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Thank you. Thank you, sir

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Would you like to speak please

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state your name and address for the record?

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All right. My name is Becky Bond and my address is 1326 South Shore Drive

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I'm the owner and founder of safety first PD aquatics before I begin speaking

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I'd like to show you guys a little bit of what I do every day to teach in some lessons.

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So that's a short little minute video of what I do every day.

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Through my life I've been a junior professional water skier, professional lake porter, and now I'm a professional swim instructor,

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teaching over 500 children in the past three years, maybe more.

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I just want to let you guys know that the leading cause of preventable death in infants and toddlers is drowning,

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and the second is, for ages 6 to 12, that's, they rank, it's second.

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At safety first, we teach the swim flow swim sequence, giving children from six months

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plus the ability to flip over and flow and breathe if they need to, or swim to the wall

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for safety. This facility will give me the opportunity to teach through the stormy summer

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weather and Florida's winter months, giving me an extra four months out of the year and

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possibly an extra 120 children to teach throughout the year.

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This could grow my business by 30%, giving a lot more children the ability to save themselves

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if ever needed.

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The reason I'm requesting the specific facility in the specific area is because it puts me

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in the heart of St. Cloud and is also feasible business-wise for me to be able to maintain

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this specific business model in a 2,500 square foot facility.

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2500 square foot is what is needed for building discretion to safely and efficiently hold 30-foot-round

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pool. This safety first PD Aquatics facility could change the community as a whole, doing

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exactly what we strive to do each day by giving a safer quality of life mentally and physically

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for our friends and family here in St. Cloud. Grand parents, parents, children, and first responders.

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Because of what I have done in this community already, some of my parents have come to speak

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on behalf of safety first PD Aquatics. I hope you guys consider this as a new business in

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in our community. Thank you.

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Thank you, does anyone have any questions?

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We have others who'd like to speak to this item.

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Before I do, do you have any questions you'd like to ask for?

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No.

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Okay. Miss Atkinson, Ann Marie Atkinson.

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Hi, my name is Ann Marie Atkinson, 48-01 hunting lodge drive.

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This is my daughter Abby, she's four.

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She attended basic training lessons with Becky

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at safety first PD Aquatics when she was three years old.

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She can now swim the full length of a pool, flipping over and taking a breath whenever needed.

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I currently am a teacher at St. Claude Middle School working with children with intellectual disabilities.

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I previously worked as a lifeguard for 10 years and a Red Cross swim instructor for 11.

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Teaching is my passion, so why didn't I teach my own child how to swim?

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This red hair should say it all.

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She's full of sass and self-determination, and that's just to put it nicely.

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Becky was so understanding and patient with Abby.

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It blew my mind that in 20 quick lessons, my daughter now had the ability to save her

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own life in water, experiencing firsthand the immediate understanding and respect of the

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water that these kids have after these lessons, I knew I had to join Becky's team and become

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as an instructor with safety first PD Aquatics.

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I could feel the passion that she had for helping our community and to save young lives.

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The lessons we teach inspire strength, discipline, independence, and

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give our kids the skills to save their own lives in the water.

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And as we all know, Florida is surrounded by water.

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We have it front yard, back yard, everywhere.

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I teach all ages, but I specialize in older students, teens, adults, and

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and the population of swimmers with unique needs.

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This new facility is so important to our growing community.

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We'll be able to reach, teach, and save so many more little lives.

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I seriously hope that you guys really consider our new facility.

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Thank you for your support and your patience tonight.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Brianna Connors.

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Brianna?

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Is that correct?

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Okay, Bri.

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My mom is creative with spelling.

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You'll say her name and address for the record, please.

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Brianna Connors, and my address is 1711, Charleston Lane, St. Claude Florida, 34769.

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I'm here on behalf of Becky and Safety First Pedi Aquatics.

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I've kind of served as an advisor to Becky in this program, Census Inception.

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And right off the bat, when Becky told me about the idea to begin teaching swim lessons,

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I knew right away that she had found her calling and also that she'd be able to hone her skills

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and that she's acquired and developed over the years,

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coaching kids in the water,

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because previously she also coached kids in skiing

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and wakeboarding.

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And I knew that she was gonna use those skills

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to greatly benefit our community.

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And that's exactly what she's done over the past three years.

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She's taught several hundred kids

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how to save their own lives,

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should they fall into the pool.

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I'm excited for the growth of Becky's business

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from a backyard pool business into an actual facility

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where she'll be able to reach a greater percentage

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of our population. This facility will enable Becky to teach more children in our community

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methods that have been proven over and over again. Her program is unmatched. There's

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nothing like it in our area and her methods work. So I'm here to request not only that

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her facility be approved, but also that this process be expedited so that we can reach

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children and help save more lives as soon as possible. Thank you. Thank you.

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That's kind of.

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Bob Hansel.

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How's our tired life?

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The only better moniker I

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like to have is Powerball winner, but it's good to have you here.

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Thank you, Bob Hansel, 1032, Tony Circle, St. Cloud. I'm just here to support Becky in her efforts. My grandson is still in maintenance program, but he's gone through her program. Along I've got two others coming up of age to go into it. So, you know, Florida, unfortunately is a nation, a lot of stuff, but unfortunately it leads to a nation in child drownings too. So I am very proud of what she has accomplished so far in my contact with her.

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And I know that we're all about making it safer here in our community throughout the state

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so I think it's a no-brainer that this needs to be moved and like the other lady said, fast-tracked.

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So I appreciate your time.

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I think you got a lot of people on display.

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It's probably said about the same thing.

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Thank you, Shervin.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Naomi Dai.

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Hi.

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Naomi Dai, 1731, Juniper circles, St. Claude, Florida.

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I am the new development manager for the Chamber of Commerce, and I just wanted to let everyone know here that Becky is one of our newest members, and we strongly support what she does.

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She did put my five-year-old grandson through her program, and he is now a better swimmer, and a little fearful of the water, and of course this little fella is Brianna's little guy, and he'll be one of her next students as well.

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So it's all about our future and our children and our community, and that's all I had to say.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Samantha, is it Hintel?

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Hintel.

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Hintel?

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I couldn't see if I was an RNN.

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Just say to your name and address for the record?

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Sure.

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Samantha, Hintel, 1, 4, 9, 0, 0.

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Honey, Chris Blaine, like no enough.

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Laura, 3, 2, 8, 2, 7.

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So I just want to say that I'm here to support Becky as well, and I don't even live in

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in St. Claude, I drive about 20 minutes to bring my daughter.

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She started at 13 months old, and now is three

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and can swim in my backyard pool completely,

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probably better than I can.

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And she talks about Becky on a daily basis.

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She's pretty much one of her heroes.

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So to see this in the middle of St. Claude,

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I completely support it, and I keep spreading the word

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around like Nona constantly.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Christian Thomas.

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Thank you, Christian Thomas 2960 Robbins-Ness Court.

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I have three children, the youngest being French, just three years old.

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He started the program at one and a half, and he wants to be like his older brother and sister.

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Because of this, we are able to let him play in the pool with keeping a close eye on him right

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up the side, and he's not hanging on us.

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This past summer, we signed up for a 10 week refresher course and due to thunderstorms, we were not able to get it done until the end of summer.

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And we had a vacation with a pool that concerned us, so that's why we did it and because of thunderstorms, we had to delay it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Sandra Snyder?

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Sandra Snyder, 4103, Bob Lightcourt, St. Claude.

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Through my experience, Beckian, her team at SFPA are amazing swim instructors for infants,

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toddlers, and even young children.

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After working with my one-year-old for only four weeks, she was able to float, kick,

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and reach for the wall.

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My family is always outdoors and mostly around water.

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We enjoy boating, fishing, beach trips, pool days, and everything else in between.

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I feel that the survival technique and lessons that Beckian, her team provide is great for

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our community.

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We don't have any other businesses close to our area that offer the same skills and training that SFPA offers.

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Also knowing that she is a mother who taught her own child the same survival skills she is teaching our children gives you a sense of relief.

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Knowing that she cares about the safety of everyone's children just as much as she does her own.

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I no longer feel frightened or have anxiety about my daughter falling into the water by accident because I know that Becky has taught her the skills that I could have never done by myself.

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Skills that teach her how to survive, skills that will stick with her for the rest of her life as long as we stay consistent with her teachings.

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Skills that other parents are completely amazed by when they see my now almost two-year-old jump into the water without hesitating.

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Skills that can only come from someone as patient, talented and educated as Becky and her team at SFPA.

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My family and I, along with many friends, business owners and parents, support Becky 100% and wish nothing but the best for her and her team.

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I hope that the City of St. Cloud gives Becky the opportunity to follow her dreams and create the best options for her customers.

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In my opinion, having an indoor facility would help with our bipolar Florida weather, thank you.

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And last of all, Teresa, is it Maiden?

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Maiden,

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thank you, Teresa.

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Good evening, my name is Teresa Maiden, I'm 5400 Silver Thistle Lane, St. Cloud, Florida.

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I'm a northern transplant. I've lived in Florida for about 10 years, last 10-year St.

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Cloud. I do teach in Assela County as well. From Northern Illinois, I can tell you right now I went to about

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three swim parties in my entire 26 years that I lived there. Last April, my family of four, including my

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four-year-old daughter and at that time my one-year-old infant and my husband and I were invited to five within that month, including three in a single weekend.

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It was fun. That being said, that of those three parties that we were at, that weekend,

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we saw two children who had to be pulled from the pool. By a parent who had to jump

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in fully close to grab them out to the point of panic at one point where we weren't sure

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if the child was okay or not, those two events took one second to happen. One mom was

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putting a juice box straw in when her kids looked in.

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My four-year-old Madeline took the classes with Becky.

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She went from afraid of the water to swimming the length of the pool without a problem.

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And that's entirely because of that.

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She can float in winter clothes in case we are up north and she gets accidentally tipped

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in her grandparents' pool up there.

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Does that mean we get to relax?

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No.

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Just as Mr. Thomas said, it buys you time, it buys you a chance to save your child's life,

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it buys them the confidence to know that they have the power with them as well.

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Well, there is no amount of money that I can put on that chance, and there is no amount of money that I could put on that time.

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And having that facility available to reach so many more families as a mother, as a teacher, and as a member of this community,

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I know that we would all be grateful for a little more time and one more chance in those situations.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Would anyone else in Becky's fan club like to speak to this item?

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Does anyone like to speak against this item?

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If not, we'll turn to our council and we'll recognize councilmember Trace.

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I just want to thank everyone for coming out and being a part of the public process and giving their comments.

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I think this is a no-brainer and, you know, just part of the code that we need to fix as well of, you know,

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So some of these shouldn't be conditionally used as it should just be permitted, so I'm

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in favor.

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Councilwoman Rescue, had a chance to meet Becky in the shop and got a chance to learn

441
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a little bit about what she does and she has a lot more support than she probably realizes

442
00:38:00,590 --> 00:38:06,110
because I would have in breakfast and people were telling me about it, so yeah I'm a big

443
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:07,830
fan, so thank you.

444
00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:13,290
Well, I'm a fan too, she taught my granddaughter how to swim.

445
00:38:15,350 --> 00:38:22,870
you know as far as the parking situation when I would go I would go with my daughter my

446
00:38:22,870 --> 00:38:27,670
granddaughter and you only have most of the time just one or two cars coming in and out

447
00:38:28,250 --> 00:38:34,310
and it was never a parking problem and I understand what our code is. Would anyone else in the council

448
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:35,870
like to speak to this item? Yes sir.

449
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,480
Bill I think you and I had discussions about this and you

450
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,340
You could tell me some of the history of what, when you were the Fire Department, and

451
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:52,620
tell me some of the stories that were bad that you found the...

452
00:38:52,620 --> 00:38:53,460
Thank you, Mr. Pius.

453
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:53,880
Yes.

454
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,840
In a previous life, I was a paramedic for almost 30 years, and I can tell you I've taken

455
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,940
numerous children, pulled them from pools, and some made it, and some didn't.

456
00:39:05,060 --> 00:39:07,480
But with this program, it will save lives.

457
00:39:07,940 --> 00:39:13,160
My own grandson learned a swim in a program like this, and I asked the council to support

458
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:13,440
this.

459
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,480
any

460
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:22,420
other input from council? I'll make a motion that we approve. First of all

461
00:39:22,420 --> 00:39:29,620
starting with resolution number 2019 031R. I'm sorry I'm looking at the

462
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:33,240
wrong here. 219 12 arm sorry. Second.

463
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
So we have a motion from the mayor. Second

464
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:45,020
from who wants the councilman Cooper. Madam Clerk. Council member Cooper. Hi.

465
00:39:45,020 --> 00:39:45,560
Thank you.

466
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,580
Council member ask you.

467
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:46,840
All right.

468
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:48,000
Council member Trace.

469
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,380
Hi.

470
00:39:48,860 --> 00:39:49,760
Deputy Mayor Matini.

471
00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:50,120
Hi.

472
00:39:50,420 --> 00:39:51,060
Mayor Blackwell.

473
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:51,560
Hi.

474
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,060
Motion carries 5-0.

475
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:58,100
That brings us, we're not done yet.

476
00:39:59,460 --> 00:40:00,180
One more.

477
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,980
That brings us to resolution number 2019-034-R.

478
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,840
What is the pleasure of the mayor's motion to approve?

479
00:40:06,140 --> 00:40:06,300
Second.

480
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,840
Well, we have a motion from Council member I ask you.

481
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,440
One point of clarification.

482
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:12,280
Does that include these staff recommendation

483
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:13,540
and planning commission recommendation?

484
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,380
The non-designated parking, the first part, doesn't it?

485
00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:20,000
It would include the planning recommendation.

486
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:22,420
Is what we have before, is it not?

487
00:40:23,460 --> 00:40:23,700
No.

488
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,620
Staff recommendation.

489
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:26,380
I just want to be clear.

490
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:27,240
Okay.

491
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:30,260
Any other clarifications?

492
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,800
Staff recommendation is just the resolution as is.

493
00:40:33,860 --> 00:40:33,980
Yeah.

494
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:34,460
As is.

495
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:34,760
Okay.

496
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:35,880
Good.

497
00:40:36,240 --> 00:40:36,560
I'm sorry.

498
00:40:38,580 --> 00:40:39,560
Who made the motion?

499
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:40,160
I did.

500
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:46,340
Councilmember Braskew? Do I have a second? Councilmember Muthini? Madam Clerk? Councilmember

501
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:52,140
Askew? Councilmember Trace? Deputy Mayor Muthini? Aye. Councilmember Cooper? Aye. Mayor

502
00:40:52,140 --> 00:40:55,760
Blackwell? Aye. Motion carries, 5-0. Now you can clap.

503
00:41:02,470 --> 00:41:03,430
Sorry, I'm going to go back

504
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:12,310
to the beginning. Thank you and all the little kids may leave now. Oh man, do I get the

505
00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:18,310
Let's give them just a moment to make an exit.

506
00:41:33,180 --> 00:41:36,080
If you could please exit quickly and as quietly as possible.

507
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:49,920
Now that brings us back to item number one under public hearing.

508
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Are you winning items one, two, and three red together?

509
00:41:56,980 --> 00:42:00,140
Matt Clark, if you'll begin and just read all three of those items.

510
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:04,980
Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-24.

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00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:13,400
an ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida, to annex into the City of St. Claude, a partially 44.56 acres identified as Thompson Groves.

512
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:26,920
Located east of Higley Tree Road, south of East Earlow, Ronson Memorial Highway, west of Live Oak Lake Road, in north of Live Oak Lake, in accordance with voluntary annexation provisions, Chapter 171.044 Florida Statutes.

513
00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:31,420
Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-25.

514
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,180
In ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Cloud, Florida, assigning a future

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00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:41,100
line use designation of mixed use to approximately 44.56 acres identified as Thompson Grove.

516
00:42:41,720 --> 00:42:46,160
Located east of Hickory Tree Road, south of East Earl O'Bronza Memorial Highway, west of

517
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:50,500
live oak lake road, and north of live oak lake, providing for amending the official future

518
00:42:50,500 --> 00:42:54,920
line use map of the comprehensive plan, filing of the planning commission's recommendations,

519
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,640
and proof of publication of a ability and effect

520
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,720
to severability's copies on file and effective date.

521
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:08,870
Final public hearing for ordinance number 2018-26.

522
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,070
An ordinance of the City Council of the City of St.

523
00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:14,150
Claude, Florida assigning a zoning district of mixed use

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00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:17,050
compatible with a mixed use future landing designation change

525
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:20,910
adopted by ordinance number 2018-25 for approximately

526
00:43:20,910 --> 00:43:24,030
44.56 acres identified as Thompson Grove,

527
00:43:24,510 --> 00:43:27,150
located east of Hickory Tree Road, south of east

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00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:38,770
Ms. Verlo, Bronson Memorial Highway, west of Live Oak Lake Road, and north of Live Oak Lake, providing for entering the designation of the official zoning map, following the Plenty Commission's recommendations, and proof of publications of Ability and Effective Date.

529
00:43:39,830 --> 00:43:43,590
Good evening, Lee, and Walter Principal Planner with St. Cloud Planning and Zoning Department.

530
00:43:44,370 --> 00:43:52,270
If I could please request that the clerk also read Council Action Items 3 and 4 as well.

531
00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:55,950
Please read Council action items number three and four.

532
00:43:56,910 --> 00:44:00,770
Request City Council's approval of Thomson Grove Preliminary Subdivision Plan.

533
00:44:01,290 --> 00:44:07,710
Request City Council's approval of the Concept Master Plan for Thomson Grove Mixed Use Project.

534
00:44:10,310 --> 00:44:10,990
Thank you.

535
00:44:11,090 --> 00:44:14,770
For the sake of efficiency, I would like to present all of the cases related to Thomson Grove

536
00:44:14,770 --> 00:44:17,590
together so that we may discuss them collectively.

537
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,600
The property owners of Thomson Grove have requested a voluntary annexation into the City of

538
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,920
St. Claude, it's for approximately 44.56 acres, and it is located on the south side of

539
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:38,680
US-192, it's east of Hickory Tree Road, and it's west of Nova Road. The proposed request

540
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:45,700
is consistent with Section 171.044 before the statute, and that it is contiguous and reasonably

541
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:52,140
compact to the city limits, and we have received a sign petition from all property owners.

542
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:57,640
The property is adjacent to the city limits to the north, the existing future

543
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,900
Delany's designation within the county is low density.

544
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:29,980
The proposed request does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals for growth management in order to create a vibrant, progressive, and diverse community through collaborative planning. Staff has reviewed this request for voluntary annexation and recommends a prove that the proposed request does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals for growth management in order to create a vibrant, progressive and diverse community through collaborative planning.

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00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:39,360
of ordinance 2018-24. On March 20, 2018, the planning commission reviewed the 16 findings

546
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:45,900
and made a request and recommended approval of ordinance 2018-24. And we ask that the

547
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,220
City Council consider the planning commission's recommendations of the 16 findings and move

548
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:57,280
for approval of this ordinance 2018-24. The applicant has selected a mixed use, feature

549
00:45:59,940 --> 00:46:04,780
The current land use within the county is commercial and low density residential.

550
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:16,680
The proposed future land use is mixed use, is the mixed use designation, and it permits a density ranging from 5 to 25 dwelling units per acre.

551
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:24,380
As I mentioned, the property is compact with a surrounding area and there are no adverse impacts to the city facilities.

552
00:46:24,380 --> 00:46:29,540
The request does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goal of growth management.

553
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,720
Staff has reviewed this feature land use map amendment which is a large scale conference

554
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,840
of plan amendment and recommends approval.

555
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:43,800
On March 20, 2018, a planning commission reviewed the 16 findings and recommended approval as

556
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:48,020
well as to transmit to the Department of Economic Opportunity for Interagency Review.

557
00:46:48,740 --> 00:46:53,280
Staff did transmit the large scale conference of plan amendment to the state for interagency

558
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,740
review and they had no objections.

559
00:46:55,460 --> 00:47:03,840
We do ask that City Council consider the planning commission's recommendations of this 16 findings and move to approve ordinance 2018-15.

560
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:10,890
The applicant has requested a corresponding zoning district of mixed use.

561
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:17,820
The existing zoning estated before is agriculture development and conservation within the county.

562
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,040
They are proposing mixed use consistent with the request of mixed use land use designation,

563
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,320
which also allows the range density of five to 25 million units per acre.

564
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,780
And as I mentioned, it is compatible with a surrounding area and there are no adverse impacts to the city facilities.

565
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,740
The proposal does meet the intent of the strategic plan goals of growth management.

566
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:49,020
Staff has reviewed this zoning amendment and does recommend approval for 2018, Ordinance 2018-26.

567
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:55,820
The Planning Commission on March 20, 2018 did review the 16 findings and

568
00:47:55,820 --> 00:47:57,640
and recommended approval of this of the ordinance.

569
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,440
We recommend that City Council review the 16 findings

570
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,180
and the recommendation and recommend for approval.

571
00:48:05,860 --> 00:48:06,180
Almost.

572
00:48:10,410 --> 00:48:12,170
So the mixed use zoning does require

573
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:15,490
the preparation of a conceptual master plan or concept plan.

574
00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:18,610
And the applicant has prepared one.

575
00:48:19,330 --> 00:48:23,770
The applicant has prepared this plan document

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00:48:23,770 --> 00:48:27,090
that also provides a series of policies and development plan

577
00:48:27,090 --> 00:48:28,090
that offers the following.

578
00:48:28,090 --> 00:48:31,510
It provides a logical transition to the adjacent community center.

579
00:48:32,030 --> 00:48:37,230
It permits a range of residential and non-residential uses that are neighborhood supporting and

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00:48:37,230 --> 00:48:39,250
promote walkable communities, and

581
00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:43,470
achieve smart growth development principles, providing a balance of social, environmental, and

582
00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:46,130
economic sustainability for residents of St. Cloud.

583
00:48:49,930 --> 00:48:55,050
The concept plan, conceptual master plan is consistent with objective 4.1 and

584
00:48:55,050 --> 00:48:56,750
our comprehensive plan for mixed use.

585
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:59,590
It is consistent with the mixed use development standards.

586
00:48:59,590 --> 00:49:02,830
It is also in our land development code, section 322.1.

587
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:09,890
The proposed development program is for single-family attached and detached, 173 dwelling units.

588
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:15,790
It also provides commercial 120,000 square feet and 30,000 square feet of office.

589
00:49:18,430 --> 00:49:24,690
In addition to the policies, the applicant has prepared an illustrative plan indicating the location of each of the proposed uses.

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00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,740
And the concept plan does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goal for growth management.

591
00:49:31,740 --> 00:49:36,540
Staff has reviewed the plan and recommends approval.

592
00:49:36,700 --> 00:49:40,540
We asked the council to consider approval for this plan and

593
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,440
at the request of the council,

594
00:49:45,580 --> 00:49:48,120
the applicant has prepared a preliminary subdivision plan.

595
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,000
The following is a breakdown of the residential portion of the property.

596
00:49:54,480 --> 00:50:00,580
They have 173 single-family lots attached and detached and we have it broken down showing

597
00:50:00,580 --> 00:50:06,740
the different lot sizes and keep in mind that there are a variety of product types as

598
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:12,280
well, not just the lot sizes. So the proposed density is 3.77 dwelling units per acre.

599
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,340
The residential portion is 5 dwelling units per acre.

600
00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:23,730
This is the overall concept plan

601
00:50:23,730 --> 00:50:28,870
that actually includes the commercial portion. Blue it up a little bit and cut off the commercial

602
00:50:28,870 --> 00:50:32,370
portion so that you could zoom in a little bit to see the preliminary subdivision plan

603
00:50:32,370 --> 00:50:35,550
a little bit clearer. It's also provided in your packet.

604
00:50:39,150 --> 00:50:42,850
Oops, sorry. City Council has provided

605
00:50:42,850 --> 00:50:47,870
The following request and comments in previous council meetings and I just wanted to review those with you

606
00:50:50,340 --> 00:50:59,060
Council had requested that the applicant meet with adjacent property owners when until let you know that the applicants held two community meetings. Those are the dates

607
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,820
To address land gate buffer adjacent to the existing live of the state's neighborhood

608
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:13,840
Both the conceptual master plan concept plant and the preliminary subdivision plan due to picked a 30 foot plus a little bit more buffer

609
00:51:14,580 --> 00:51:18,920
as well as landscape buffer as well as a PVC wall and landscape berm.

610
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:29,000
There was also a request to provide a minimum residential lot width of 62.5 feet and

611
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:34,120
as the applicant stated previously that they are providing a variety of lot sizes consistent

612
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,800
with the mixed use feature land use and zoning density requirements in our code.

613
00:51:41,260 --> 00:51:47,720
To get with residents and resolve any of their concerns, the applicant has addressed all

614
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:55,240
concerns with the residents, however, there was concerns from the residents regarding some

615
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,620
of the requirements for the mixture in mixed use.

616
00:51:58,740 --> 00:52:05,400
To provide a site plan, they have prepared a preliminary subdivision plan, and they

617
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,160
have tailored it to meet the mixed use development standards.

618
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,000
There was some concern about plans for the lake access.

619
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,240
address, they are providing an observation deck, which is like a covered pier out into

620
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:24,880
the water. There will not be a boat ramp or any motorized boats allowed. I want to

621
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,760
address interconnectivity with the Live Oak Lake Estates that's the existing neighborhood

622
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:35,640
adjacent. The applicant is open to provide connection to the west, has not received necessarily

623
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,880
I mean, necessarily any approval from adjacent property owners at this time.

624
00:52:40,940 --> 00:52:45,460
So that concludes our review from previous requests and comments.

625
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,900
The plan does meet the intent of the city's strategic plan goals for growth management.

626
00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:55,580
And City staff has reviewed this preliminary subdivision plan and recommends approval.

627
00:52:56,260 --> 00:53:01,120
And we ask the city council to consider the review of this plan consistent with the land development code.

628
00:53:04,890 --> 00:53:09,650
And approve the preliminary subdivision plan and the applicant is here available to answer any questions for you.

629
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:11,750
Thank you. Was the applicant like to speak

630
00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:20,520
Randy June 32 as a plant street happy merely to answer any questions

631
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:25,900
You might have with that thorough presentation of staff would like to thank them in the the community

632
00:53:25,900 --> 00:53:33,120
I know since since our community meeting we had some revisions to the plan but our methods there were to to maintain

633
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:40,180
The status quo as far as the presentation with lots on their border common border maintaining walls

634
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:55,780
the other conditions you mentioned with lake access, and also we included in their non-motorized boats from our property, downward lighting, we're a couple of the others.

635
00:53:56,460 --> 00:53:58,620
So, that would be happy to answer any questions you might have.

636
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:59,440
All right, thank you.

637
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,600
Kenneth, Ken Polzinski?

638
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:05,520
Is that correct?

639
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:07,740
Very well.

640
00:54:07,900 --> 00:54:08,480
Thank you.

641
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,920
Kenneth Polzinski, 2027 Live Oak Boulevard, St. Cloud, Florida.

642
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:19,960
I thank you for your service and for giving me any time to speak to you tonight.

643
00:54:21,100 --> 00:54:24,020
I want to be an active participant in the community.

644
00:54:24,180 --> 00:54:25,460
I live in Live Oak, states.

645
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:33,680
I want to express that Pastor Thompson has been very open with our community, holding meetings

646
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:37,220
at our request, and they're offering meetings when we don't request.

647
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:42,660
So I want to say that he's been very active with us, and we've really appreciated it.

648
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:50,140
We appreciate you being active because it's very difficult to say this is compatible with

649
00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:53,040
a neighborhood that has less than one home per acre.

650
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:59,040
So they're working real hard and to make it a cost-effective program, they've got to make

651
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:06,860
some compromises where I'm a compassionate man and I struggle with my Christian faith

652
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:10,340
of building a wall in the Southern border of the United States.

653
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:18,280
I must say that I do support that and although I hate to see a wall where I look at a beautiful

654
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:31,980
The Loinge Grove for 12 years, I am requesting and he is aware that I'm asking for a wall and with our city ordinance of a six foot tall wall, they're also offering elevation underneath it.

655
00:55:32,260 --> 00:55:44,400
So I just expressed my gratitude to the city council and to Mr. Pastor Thompson for Ural's active participation and continued participation.

656
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:45,420
So thank you.

657
00:55:45,420 --> 00:55:46,660
Thank you very much.

658
00:55:48,420 --> 00:55:49,620
Jeremy Kibler.

659
00:55:55,510 --> 00:55:57,370
Good evening, Council.

660
00:55:57,750 --> 00:56:01,130
Jeremy Kibler, KDA Engineering, 2017, 13th Street,

661
00:56:01,290 --> 00:56:03,130
St. Cloud of Florida, 347, 6.9.

662
00:56:03,890 --> 00:56:06,410
Maxley here representing the Lockery family,

663
00:56:06,550 --> 00:56:09,270
which is 5,000 East Earl of Bronson Memorial Highways,

664
00:56:09,350 --> 00:56:11,250
St. Cloud of Florida, 347, 7.1.

665
00:56:11,630 --> 00:56:15,210
My client owns the property directly to the South of the subject

666
00:56:15,210 --> 00:56:15,870
applications.

667
00:56:16,830 --> 00:56:20,510
It will be depicted in green on Exhib A that will enter

668
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:24,790
into the record when I conclude, I want to have a lot to cover so I'm going to go ahead

669
00:56:24,790 --> 00:56:29,570
and jump right in. We've been involved since the very beginning of these applications.

670
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:34,250
You probably seen me at all of the meetings for these particular applications. Beginning

671
00:56:34,250 --> 00:56:41,090
back in February 22, 2018 with staff DRC comments, staff had requested, please provide connectivity

672
00:56:41,090 --> 00:56:45,890
from the residential portion to the adjacent properties referring to the Thompson Grove property

673
00:56:45,890 --> 00:56:53,710
and the adjacent properties, West, East and South, and following that, really all that

674
00:56:53,710 --> 00:56:59,750
was provided was, excuse me, an additional connection to the East to which that property

675
00:56:59,750 --> 00:57:02,630
has over a thousand feet of frontage on US-192.

676
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:04,490
Why provide the interconnectivity?

677
00:57:04,930 --> 00:57:08,810
Because that's the goals, objectives, and policies of the mixed-use district.

678
00:57:09,010 --> 00:57:10,030
That's why we're here.

679
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:12,210
Moving on.

680
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:22,200
The conceptual master plan policy, 1.1.2 of Thomson Grove itself states the Thomson Grove

681
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:26,260
Conceptual Master Plan shall serve to guide future growth and development within the planning

682
00:57:26,260 --> 00:57:29,560
area and will provide for connectivity to adjacent properties.

683
00:57:30,020 --> 00:57:30,860
This is simply false.

684
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,240
There's no connectivity to the south.

685
00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:38,960
We just heard a moment ago, now the applicant is offering interconnectivity to the west,

686
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:40,320
but not the south.

687
00:57:40,860 --> 00:57:41,860
We've been here all along.

688
00:57:41,860 --> 00:57:45,880
So basically, everywhere else except for the south doesn't make sense.

689
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:53,760
Again, interconnectivities, provisions for public right away connections to properties

690
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:59,860
has been something that's been administered throughout time with staff and has

691
00:57:59,860 --> 00:58:05,160
previous council action been taken. I'll give an example is Dear Creek

692
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,820
and I'll enter those into the record as exhibits B1, B2, and B3.

693
00:58:09,820 --> 00:58:16,780
The very similar situation where a council and staff work closely with the applicant and

694
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:20,680
ultimately a 50-foot right away public right away dedication was made to this subject

695
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,260
property.

696
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:22,240
That's right here.

697
00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:23,840
Moving on.

698
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:31,380
Let's go to the 16 points as far as legal authority and what council should consider.

699
00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:36,060
Council shall review the application and make a decision based on the 16 required findings

700
00:58:36,060 --> 00:58:44,760
of Section 3.4.3C2A of the LDC, item 12 of those 16 states, and this is what the applicant

701
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:49,800
has submitted for your review. The proposed change will not be a deterrent to the improvement

702
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:55,220
or development of adjacent property. This is simply false. This not providing access to

703
00:58:55,220 --> 00:59:01,340
the south will be exactly that. It will prevent those things. It will be a deterrent to the

704
00:59:01,340 --> 00:59:03,400
improvement or development of the property to the south.

705
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,220
That's simple as that.

706
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,680
Moving on, we have concerns about the PSP

707
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:13,200
and the conceptual master plan.

708
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:14,740
I'll just rattle through those very quickly.

709
00:59:15,500 --> 00:59:18,740
Staff refers to 173 single family lots.

710
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:19,900
This simply isn't true.

711
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,100
Single family attached is not a defined term in the LDC.

712
00:59:25,620 --> 00:59:27,760
Town homes are considered multi-family attached.

713
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,500
That's the way the code defines it.

714
00:59:30,500 --> 00:59:33,060
That's the way the mixed use division 22 defines it.

715
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,380
It's in the code, and that's what's been adopted by Council.

716
00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:47,200
Additionally, Council has over time asked for 25 foot front facing garage setback.

717
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,360
The applicant's only noted 20 feet.

718
00:59:50,060 --> 00:59:56,320
Additionally, one thing I would say of ample concern, no emergency access has been provided

719
00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:56,960
for this development.

720
00:59:57,180 --> 00:59:58,040
Take a look at the PSP.

721
00:59:58,300 --> 00:59:58,860
There's nothing there.

722
00:59:59,300 --> 00:59:59,900
In close.

723
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,880
If council decides to take action on the annexation, future landings, and zoning, we would ask that the zoning ordinance be specifically conditioned, that's ordinance 2018-26, such that a provision for a publicly dedicated right away, 50 foot and width from the internal publicly dedicated right away, that the applicant's proposing, be provided to the locked property to the south. Could be anywhere along that frontage, anywhere along their joint property boundaries.

724
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,380
We ask for that consideration and I'll thank you for your time, Councilor.

725
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:34,140
Happy to answer any questions.

726
01:00:34,460 --> 01:00:34,800
Thank you.

727
01:00:37,300 --> 01:00:39,420
Would anyone else in the audience like to speak to this item?

728
01:00:41,980 --> 01:00:44,780
If not, we will entertain discussion and emotion by Council.

729
01:00:55,730 --> 01:01:00,810
If there's no discussion, maybe we look at item number 2018-24, or I'm sorry, Mathini, I see

730
01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:01,330
your light now.

731
01:01:02,410 --> 01:01:02,990
Thank you.

732
01:01:03,210 --> 01:01:03,870
Council member Mathini.

733
01:01:04,090 --> 01:01:04,370
Thank you.

734
01:01:04,930 --> 01:01:11,830
So, I also want to thank the development team and the owner for their work and willingness

735
01:01:11,830 --> 01:01:13,430
to work with the adjoining property owners.

736
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:19,530
I feel like they've gone above and beyond what we typically see as far as coordination efforts.

737
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:25,090
I did want to ask a couple things I know when we had and we did have a meeting this week

738
01:01:25,690 --> 01:01:29,690
for the council's knowledge. We did meet this week to kind of talk about their application

739
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:36,190
coming forward this week and you said you were going to bring a parking exhibit. Do you have

740
01:01:36,190 --> 01:01:43,230
the parking use of it if you could present that but one of the residents just

741
01:01:43,230 --> 01:01:47,850
spoke up and said that their the preference is a wall versus the and I think the

742
01:01:47,850 --> 01:01:52,770
plan right now has a PVC fence is that what it is on a berm so I know that was

743
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:57,530
a lot of coordination with the residents and I guess if you could kind of

744
01:01:57,530 --> 01:02:03,390
speak about that and then the last thing is if you could when we had our meeting

745
01:02:03,870 --> 01:02:07,950
Also, I thought I was told that there was 25-foot building setbacks.

746
01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:09,470
Is there 25 or 20-foot?

747
01:02:13,660 --> 01:02:15,900
34-foot buffer track.

748
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:19,340
But on the front, like on the garage setback.

749
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:21,120
I think that is.

750
01:02:23,820 --> 01:02:26,980
Because I thought it was 25 in my meeting.

751
01:02:28,100 --> 01:02:32,240
But the last thing, if you could kind of go through, because we did talk about the history and

752
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:37,200
I know you weren't there, Mr. June, but we did talk about the history of the project and

753
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:41,320
all of the negotiations and things that you tried to do with the property

754
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:46,720
enter to the south. So if we could kind of talk through that as well. But my final

755
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:49,620
question, sorry, you got to write all these down. You got to write all these

756
01:02:49,620 --> 01:02:55,960
questions. Is on the on the road as it comes into the property on the north side

757
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:59,400
is the edge of the right-of-way line concurrent with the property line?

758
01:03:01,580 --> 01:03:06,320
Paralleling the on top of each other. I'm just wondering I know we had a lot of

759
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:12,800
discussion about, you know, providing access to the commercial node to the west of you in the future if it became available.

760
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:21,900
I know right now there's a 20-foot road in between you and the property, but if in the future, if things change, people change,

761
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:30,760
owners change, desires change, and you wanted to connect into this road, is there going to be any sort of spiked strip or anything

762
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:34,420
preventing that does is the right-of-way sitting concurrent on the property line.

763
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:39,300
Correct. So the west boundary line of our right-of-way is the east boundary line of the

764
01:03:39,300 --> 01:03:41,540
gentleman's access track. Okay.

765
01:03:41,660 --> 01:03:44,300
Twenty-foot access track. And I think that was the intent. Okay.

766
01:03:44,980 --> 01:03:50,460
And a little bit on that history, yes. So we have had some discussions with the property

767
01:03:50,460 --> 01:03:55,920
under the south. As you can imagine, you know, we think we're doing a quality project here.

768
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,420
We'd love to have added his property to our project.

769
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,360
We made him an offer and we demonstrated that offer.

770
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:04,520
There was market price.

771
01:04:05,140 --> 01:04:06,300
We weren't trying to beat him up.

772
01:04:06,900 --> 01:04:10,800
And we also offered that we'd be happy to entertain a counter

773
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,700
and they could demonstrate to us that it was worth more.

774
01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:15,880
That never happened to my knowledge.

775
01:04:16,940 --> 01:04:19,480
We feel like they have an access tract 20 feet.

776
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:22,140
So as far as developed, the property is developed now.

777
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:29,160
You can imagine our concerns of having a project tied to ours that's not part of the HOA

778
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:32,620
that's not meeting the same design guidelines we have, etc.

779
01:04:33,660 --> 01:04:39,700
So, you know, our opinion is we put forth an effort and really didn't get anywhere with it.

780
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:47,440
So the properties, again, we've stubbed rows to the east, a provisions there for those folks.

781
01:04:48,940 --> 01:04:56,340
We're trying to satisfy a lot of people, and so the neighbors were great

782
01:04:56,340 --> 01:05:01,820
meat-ness, and I hope they would say we met every one of their concerns as far as

783
01:05:02,420 --> 01:05:07,260
their requirements. The wall, what we have there is a wall on top of a

784
01:05:07,260 --> 01:05:11,680
burn. So we've got a 30-inch high burn, and what we

785
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:17,540
The orange did to them that we would make the eastern boundary attract owned by the H.O.A.

786
01:05:18,060 --> 01:05:25,960
Between, I'm sorry, the western boundary, be a track between us and them and that's 34 feet wide.

787
01:05:26,620 --> 01:05:38,860
And the reason it's attracting them by the H.O.A. is the H.O.A. will have a mandate to maintain it versus an individual property owned or an individual idea of how it should be maintained, which tends to happen.

788
01:05:38,860 --> 01:05:42,400
So our de-districtions HOA should be a strong one.

789
01:05:42,740 --> 01:05:43,960
They typically are.

790
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,600
The builders kind of demand it to protect their product in the life of the project.

791
01:05:49,260 --> 01:05:52,760
So that wall and that buffer will be maintained by the HOA.

792
01:05:53,140 --> 01:05:57,580
Can I interject you keep saying wall, but I think it says fence.

793
01:05:58,320 --> 01:05:59,600
No, it's it's a lot of work.

794
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:01,340
So there's a new material out.

795
01:06:01,740 --> 01:06:08,680
It's two inch thick plastic and the neat thing about it is it has the ability to have a pattern on it versus

796
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,500
is just a stuccoed wall.

797
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,120
It's hurricane resistant.

798
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,140
And so it's not a, it's PVC material,

799
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:21,480
but it's not the PVC fences you see around houses we have.

800
01:06:21,860 --> 01:06:26,180
So a couple pictures we could throw up there just to show you.

801
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,840
So as we were asking for a fence,

802
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:30,860
but we felt this was a great compromise.

803
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:32,280
So there's the product.

804
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:35,760
It's again, it's not your plastic fence.

805
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:45,130
That's two inches thick and it's virtually hit with a hammer probably handle better than a block wall.

806
01:06:46,770 --> 01:06:48,610
So that's the product there.

807
01:06:51,940 --> 01:06:55,620
Do we confirm the setbacks, do you mean 20 feet?

808
01:06:58,500 --> 01:07:08,700
I think the parking plan, we scrambled and this demonstrates, although not real detailed,

809
01:07:08,700 --> 01:07:13,860
But we will in the final construction plans have to prove to staff that we can meet that parking requirement.

810
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:18,540
But we work with staff today and I think I think this meets your code.

811
01:07:18,940 --> 01:07:29,740
So when we come back with final construction plans, we'll demonstrate that Cal can obviously have more detail with the road sections, but the red highlights basically where we can have parking response.

812
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:39,300
So a follow-up question was Mr. June wasn't in the conversation that I had this week, but the one track you have there, it's like an open space where the gas

813
01:07:39,300 --> 01:07:50,020
easement comes through. I floated the idea to have it because it's just going to be a green space because of the gas easement and I floated an idea to have overflow parking in that area, like just a

814
01:07:50,020 --> 01:07:59,900
grass overflow parking area as, you know, if, I mean, you can't build anything in there as maybe an opportunity to have backup parking.

815
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:04,380
I know there was some concern, but I think you can do that with.

816
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:06,660
Yeah, we have an open space track, too.

817
01:08:07,420 --> 01:08:12,960
I can tell you, we just dealt with the gas easement and Tampa and they're extremely protective.

818
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,900
So not saying we can't do, we just have to see their approval.

819
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,840
Yeah, that was something I had mentioned.

820
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:26,540
So some of those details we can work on the final construction plan phase, and we've committed to staff to do that with some more detail for y'all.

821
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:39,820
And thank you for spreading the parking out, because I know when we were chatting, it was all mainly on the west side, and I just know people kind of want to park where they're going, and we're not going to walk through.

822
01:08:39,820 --> 01:08:41,160
So thank you.

823
01:08:41,180 --> 01:08:41,960
Mr. Reserves.

824
01:08:42,180 --> 01:08:45,500
Yeah, my comment may be a little late, but then I apologize for that.

825
01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:50,060
Just for process perspective, just remind the council that when you have a meeting with

826
01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:54,940
a particular applicant or anybody with regard to a quasi judicial matter, which three of these

827
01:08:54,940 --> 01:09:00,000
are or two of these are, the processes you need to advise publicly that you had that meeting

828
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:03,800
and I'll miss council and the theme you clearly from your discussion you had.

829
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:12,620
So you went above and beyond, but just from a process perspective under the city's resolution with regard to quasi judicial proceedings, the processes,

830
01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:23,040
you identify that you had or you now said you had a meeting with an individual who has an interest in the in the item and then you basically give a general summary of the discussion.

831
01:09:23,380 --> 01:09:32,740
I think you ultimately did that, but initially you said, well, we met, but really what should remind everybody is that you met with the particular developer just as a suggestion.

832
01:09:32,740 --> 01:09:33,940
Thank you, Mr. President.

833
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:38,500
Do you have any other discussion from Council?

834
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:40,380
Councilwoman Cooper.

835
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:43,000
Mr. Kebler, could you come up and

836
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:52,460
tell me why you felt like you're a person that you're

837
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:57,640
representing the, why do they need the 50 opening?

838
01:09:58,220 --> 01:09:59,560
The subject property is not.

839
01:09:59,620 --> 01:10:00,580
What are you going to use it for?

840
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,540
Well, the subject property is simply not developed.

841
01:10:02,780 --> 01:10:07,300
Right now, it has a future land use designation, which is very similar to what the applicant

842
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:09,800
and has a portion of it, which is low density residential,

843
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:11,820
which is three to eight dwelling units per acre.

844
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,620
So really what you're looking at is an undeveloped piece of property

845
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,960
that has the ability to be developed

846
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:21,740
and the manner in which the applicant has submitted their application

847
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:24,880
and their plans really strictly prevents that.

848
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:29,480
And your approval of that would essentially constitute a taking in our mind

849
01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:32,260
that you're saying this property should not be developed.

850
01:10:32,700 --> 01:10:36,520
We're also part of the overall JPA boundary

851
01:10:36,520 --> 01:10:39,540
where a future part of the city, the city of St. Cloudwood,

852
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:41,080
provide utilities to us.

853
01:10:41,460 --> 01:10:43,920
If there's no ride away, there's no provision for that either.

854
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:48,640
You know, I hear, I've been to many city council meetings,

855
01:10:49,340 --> 01:10:53,200
and I hear the council discuss and talk about tax base

856
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:55,040
and increase in home values.

857
01:10:55,580 --> 01:10:58,540
You've got a large piece of property with over 600 feet

858
01:10:58,540 --> 01:11:02,420
of late frontage that would have a great value,

859
01:11:03,240 --> 01:11:06,100
much like these residents if they're here in the audience.

860
01:11:06,100 --> 01:11:11,120
I know a few of them are to the West, that would be part of the city in the future,

861
01:11:11,260 --> 01:11:13,540
and we're basically preventing that from happening.

862
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:17,420
So I just don't, it just doesn't seem to make sense.

863
01:11:17,860 --> 01:11:23,340
The interconnectivity is a hallmark of the mixed-use goals, objectives, and policies.

864
01:11:23,940 --> 01:11:28,500
And it just seems to be that for some reason, I couldn't tell you why,

865
01:11:28,940 --> 01:11:32,800
but the property to the South just continually keeps getting overlooked.

866
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:35,980
But hey, we'll even provide access to the west now.

867
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:37,100
We've done it to the east.

868
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,700
Whether or not they make an offer on the property has nothing to do with that.

869
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:46,740
They've offered to buy any of the neighbor's properties, no, but they're offering to provide any connectivity.

870
01:11:47,060 --> 01:11:48,120
It has nothing to do with it.

871
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,940
There's submitting an application for the council review.

872
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:56,540
You guys have the decision, ultimately, does it meet those policies?

873
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,300
And again, I'll go back to the legal authority.

874
01:12:00,300 --> 01:12:04,260
We talked about over and over on those council action items.

875
01:12:04,580 --> 01:12:11,420
Mr. Mayor, essentially, Mr. Cooper asked one specific question, and so I think you're getting upstream as to what there's a process on this.

876
01:12:15,420 --> 01:12:20,840
I'm still asking the question, I'll go back again.

877
01:12:21,620 --> 01:12:24,620
What do you want to, why do you need the 50 foot opening?

878
01:12:25,340 --> 01:12:28,700
We feel the property should be developed as late front lots.

879
01:12:29,140 --> 01:12:31,860
It should be very similar to what you see to the way.

880
01:12:31,860 --> 01:12:33,820
Mr. Keypler, he's asking about your client's property.

881
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,000
Yes sir, that's what I'm talking about.

882
01:12:36,140 --> 01:12:40,380
So you think the 50 foot right away is needed to build,

883
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,020
develop your client's property as late front lots?

884
01:12:43,180 --> 01:12:43,440
Certainly.

885
01:12:43,740 --> 01:12:44,380
That's your answer.

886
01:12:44,580 --> 01:12:44,780
Certainly.

887
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:45,540
Yes sir.

888
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:46,640
Thank you.

889
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:49,580
Councilor Rescue.

890
01:12:51,180 --> 01:12:54,260
I did meet with these folks a long time ago.

891
01:12:54,260 --> 01:12:58,680
And we've basically talked about a little bit about parking and things like that.

892
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,780
I do have some concerns with parking, so if you can, like in the townhomes there,

893
01:13:04,060 --> 01:13:09,400
is there going to be parking in front of those townhomes, like right up to the house or on the street?

894
01:13:12,050 --> 01:13:15,210
Excuse me. Hey, this is Jimmy Dunne. I work for Randy.

895
01:13:15,410 --> 01:13:19,750
32 West Plant Street when I guard in Florida. And I worked in conjunction with staff

896
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:23,970
and our team at the office today kind of scrambling to make this thing work.

897
01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:28,830
work. And what we ended up doing is we used a calculation of four spaces per town home.

898
01:13:29,690 --> 01:13:35,850
So we four and a half, thank you Liam. You always are there to back me up. So yeah, we

899
01:13:35,850 --> 01:13:44,450
used four and a half across the board for both the single family and we had 86 and we were

900
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:47,810
able to find the 87th. So it worked out.

901
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:51,580
So will that be two in the garage?

902
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:51,820
I'm sorry.

903
01:13:52,020 --> 01:13:52,380
I'm sorry.

904
01:13:53,020 --> 01:13:53,340
Sorry.

905
01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,080
Will that be two in the garage and two in the driveway for the townhouse?

906
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:56,560
Yes, sir.

907
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:57,160
That's correct.

908
01:13:57,420 --> 01:13:58,280
Is that kind of where you're going?

909
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:06,440
I do have some kind of the good and the bad of this and it's, some of this is more on the

910
01:14:06,440 --> 01:14:06,840
site plan.

911
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:11,080
I know we're talking about the annexation right now, but I did have a conversation with Mr.

912
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:15,600
June and Mr. Lockery about about this and I kind of went over a lot of what I'm about

913
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:16,160
to talk about.

914
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:24,320
Some of the good parts about this are there's no boat ramp, no keyhole development with the access to the to the lake.

915
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:29,680
There's observation deck for enjoyment by the community, dark sky provisions,

916
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:31,520
border friendly landscaping, a lot of stuff.

917
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:36,880
We're trying to incorporate into a lot of these developments, adequate buffer to the west with

918
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:41,740
transitional density going from the west to the east, kind of putting the larger lots on the west

919
01:14:41,740 --> 01:14:46,780
in the smaller lots on the east, workforce housing, which is I think is great and definitely

920
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:51,360
needed in the community. I wasn't really a fan of the roundabouts that were in here

921
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:57,100
before and that's been removed, so that's good. But some of the bad is, again, no connection

922
01:14:57,100 --> 01:14:59,880
to the south, I think it's only 20.

923
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:26,820
So, I think I'm going to repeat that the access drive is to the property of the south, and even getting secondary emergency access, something back there in case that gets blocked off, or something happens. A tree falls that's, you know, in this landscape firm and goes kind of across that, the 20 foot driveway. No connection to the west commercial, I think we talked about that enough. And then I see in some of the cross sections that's four foot sidewalk,

924
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:39,140
I don't know what ours is, whether it's four foot or five foot, but I'd like to see five foot sidewalk in here as well.

925
01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:43,180
So it's kind of my thoughts and comments about the property.

926
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:49,100
Do we have any other discussion from Council?

927
01:15:54,080 --> 01:15:54,560
Any other questions?

928
01:15:55,200 --> 01:16:00,200
I wanted to respond to Mr. Kibbler's statement.

929
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:15,800
Leonard Thompson, 6-8-15 Old Melbourne Highway, St. Clown, property owner of the subject property to give a little more history on that project, on this project in access to the South.

930
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:30,180
We have, either myself or the engineers have negotiated with Mr. Lockery to try to come to some amiable agreement on offering him access

931
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:35,120
access made several different ways to offer access and was refused.

932
01:16:36,260 --> 01:16:40,740
The reason they want access that's not being told is that's not

933
01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:41,960
available property.

934
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:47,100
It's a private residence and I don't believe access has to be granted to a private

935
01:16:47,100 --> 01:16:49,080
residence so it can be developed.

936
01:16:50,020 --> 01:16:52,320
So that's the purpose behind it.

937
01:16:52,780 --> 01:16:58,300
The 20-foot driveway that he has does not allow him to develop his property.

938
01:16:58,300 --> 01:17:03,280
I've had these discussions with him for the past two years about offering access.

939
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:05,440
And so to no avail.

940
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:09,860
We haven't, the only, we don't have not.

941
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,940
There was mention of offering access to the West.

942
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:19,400
We have not, we can't offer access to the West because Mr. Locker's driveway cuts that off.

943
01:17:19,540 --> 01:17:20,500
So there is no access.

944
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:29,120
Yes, we have tried to propose different options so that for the purpose of the commercial along the front to make it more

945
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:37,660
meanable for everyone involved. Mr. Puffin-Balls properties of the West, Mr. Danley's property there as well.

946
01:17:37,980 --> 01:17:43,580
They wanted access in there too to put in a common boulevard in, move Mr.

947
01:17:43,580 --> 01:17:48,640
Rockbury's private drive back or in exchange for the right away we've offers to purchase

948
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,400
easement, let him retain the right away so that the commercial would be more uniform

949
01:17:54,400 --> 01:18:00,340
across the front and it would be a more amiable development overall he refused all offers.

950
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:07,600
Now one other thing we do there's a leg that goes to the south to the lake of my property

951
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:33,920
and obviously everything to the east is being developed and I am and have mentioned this to staff offering to maintain or retain a 50-foot access easement that gives access to everything is developed to the east between Mr. Lockhart's property and going to the east for future access possibility so that is on the table as well.

952
01:18:34,660 --> 01:18:35,380
Thank you.

953
01:18:35,700 --> 01:18:41,120
I would like to add to you that we're happy to have a five-foot sidewalk and a little

954
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:41,400
four.

955
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:44,420
So you're going to make that change.

956
01:18:46,780 --> 01:18:48,580
Do we have any other further discussion from Council?

957
01:18:51,620 --> 01:18:52,340
I'll normally do this.

958
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:53,140
I'm going to let you speak.

959
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,560
Chef Sheppler, 2029 Spring Lake Circle.

960
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,240
I represent myself, my wife, and my parents who own 2191 Spring Lake Circle St.

961
01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:05,980
Club, Florida.

962
01:19:07,180 --> 01:19:11,820
And your offer for public to speak was about two seconds.

963
01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:15,340
I didn't realize that that was the only chance that we would have to speak.

964
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,940
I'm a little disappointed in the plan with all of the townhomes.

965
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,860
And I'm glad that parking has been addressed.

966
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:31,660
But it's the poor people who live across the street are going to be sorely disappointed

967
01:19:31,660 --> 01:19:35,080
because who parks their car in the garage in Florida, not many people?

968
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:40,820
a lot of times it's in the driveway, so if each town home is a lot of four spots,

969
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:45,760
those poor houses across the street from the town home are going to be in trouble.

970
01:19:46,380 --> 01:19:51,660
But I would like to thank Mr. Thompson and the developer planner guys.

971
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:59,580
They did meet with our community and it was very beneficial and they were pleasant to work

972
01:19:59,580 --> 01:19:59,940
with.

973
01:19:59,940 --> 01:20:05,520
One thing that I heard just tonight was access to the west, that is one thing our neighborhood

974
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:13,380
did not want because with 173 units there, the way to get out is going to be coming through

975
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:18,100
if they can get across Mr. Lockery's driveway is going to be through our neighborhood.

976
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,380
And then in the mornings we already have difficulty getting out on the Hickory Tree Road.

977
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:29,340
So another issue that I'm concerned about is making sure I know that it said that there's

978
01:20:29,340 --> 01:20:34,280
adequate water but I'm not convinced there's adequate water. St. Cloud has adequate water

979
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:40,700
for this development or all of the other ones that are going on or adequate sanitary sewer

980
01:20:40,700 --> 01:20:44,520
capacity. Let's see one other thing.

981
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:49,540
An earlier meetings that was talked about a 62 and a

982
01:20:49,540 --> 01:20:54,680
half foot wide lots along the property. To me it's interesting that the council member

983
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:59,680
who requested that's no longer here and this the meeting for this has been postponed and

984
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:04,720
postponed and postponed. Now a couple of different times. So it just is a little

985
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:10,620
fishy that you know the one person that was fighting for wider lots especially

986
01:21:10,620 --> 01:21:12,380
on the east is no longer here.

987
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:17,310
Let's see what else that I have.

988
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:20,540
I think it's the

989
01:21:20,540 --> 01:21:24,920
city of St. Claude really needs to look at the mixed use. I don't think it's

990
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:30,100
appropriate. I think it's a catch-all. It's an easy way to go so you can just kind of

991
01:21:30,100 --> 01:21:32,040
So they can throw things out there.

992
01:21:32,700 --> 01:21:41,160
I think there needs to be a better, and I don't know what it is, because I've tried to research it, and I haven't been able to figure it out yet.

993
01:21:41,540 --> 01:21:50,460
But I think there's a better solution to zoning this property like this, rather than throwing it out of this mixed use.

994
01:21:51,020 --> 01:21:51,380
Thank you.

995
01:21:51,380 --> 01:21:52,220
Thank you sir.

996
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:59,070
It brings us to item number 21820. What is the pleasure of the council?

997
01:21:59,470 --> 01:22:00,010
Do I have a motion?

998
01:22:02,010 --> 01:22:02,450
24.

999
01:22:02,570 --> 01:22:03,050
24.

1000
01:22:03,710 --> 01:22:05,310
Uh, I'm not looking at the right one.

1001
01:22:05,450 --> 01:22:06,250
Yes, 24.

1002
01:22:06,570 --> 01:22:07,750
218, 24.

1003
01:22:08,750 --> 01:22:09,850
On the annexation.

1004
01:22:19,950 --> 01:22:20,710
Do I have a motion?

1005
01:22:23,020 --> 01:22:26,020
Motion to approve, uh, ordinance, 218, 214.

1006
01:22:26,760 --> 01:22:27,240
Second.

1007
01:22:27,720 --> 01:22:34,280
We have a motion from council member Trace and a second from council member Cooper.

1008
01:22:34,580 --> 01:22:34,980
Madam Clerk.

1009
01:22:34,980 --> 01:22:35,360
Aye.

1010
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:36,340
Deputy Mayor Mathini.

1011
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:36,720
Aye.

1012
01:22:37,380 --> 01:22:38,020
Council Member Cooper.

1013
01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:38,660
Aye.

1014
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:40,160
Council Member Asquith.

1015
01:22:40,180 --> 01:22:40,300
Aye.

1016
01:22:40,860 --> 01:22:41,560
Council Member Trace.

1017
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:42,000
Aye.

1018
01:22:42,340 --> 01:22:43,000
Mayor Blackwell.

1019
01:22:43,420 --> 01:22:43,580
Aye.

1020
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:45,300
Motion carries 5-0.

1021
01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:49,220
Ranked list of item number 218-25.

1022
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:51,760
Do I have a motion?

1023
01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:54,000
So moved.

1024
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:55,940
We have a motion from Council Member Cooper.

1025
01:22:56,180 --> 01:22:56,720
Do I have a second?

1026
01:22:58,560 --> 01:22:59,020
Second.

1027
01:22:59,980 --> 01:23:01,200
I have a motion from Council Member Mathini.

1028
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:01,840
Madam Clerk.

1029
01:23:02,740 --> 01:23:03,360
Council Member Cooper.

1030
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:03,840
Aye.

1031
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:05,270
Council Member Asquith.

1032
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:12,490
ask you council member Trace aye deputy mayor mothini aye mayor blackwell aye motion carries five zero

1033
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:19,950
Item number twenty eighteen dash twenty six do I have a motion

1034
01:23:20,970 --> 01:23:27,930
mr. maize iris have a question first yes um for the the sidewalk from four feet to five feet where

1035
01:23:27,930 --> 01:23:33,870
would we add that in the site plan the zoning um i believe the best would be in the in the master plan

1036
01:23:33,870 --> 01:23:34,710
and concept plan.

1037
01:23:34,890 --> 01:23:34,990
Okay.

1038
01:23:36,050 --> 01:23:37,930
You could make that as a condition of that.

1039
01:23:38,210 --> 01:23:39,130
Under the concept?

1040
01:23:39,610 --> 01:23:41,790
Yeah, which would be the last item to catch on.

1041
01:23:42,810 --> 01:23:44,830
Andre, you have a difference of opinion like usual.

1042
01:23:45,610 --> 01:23:46,250
Yes, me.

1043
01:23:46,370 --> 01:23:47,390
Oh, you've added a PSP.

1044
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:50,530
Please. Thanks for catching on.

1045
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:56,130
Could I entertain a motion for item number 2018-26?

1046
01:23:58,970 --> 01:23:59,450
Second.

1047
01:24:00,130 --> 01:24:01,630
We have a motion for councilmember Cooper,

1048
01:24:01,970 --> 01:24:04,330
second by Muthini, Madam Clerk.

1049
01:24:05,190 --> 01:24:06,150
Councilmember, I ask you.

1050
01:24:06,150 --> 01:24:06,470
Aye.

1051
01:24:06,810 --> 01:24:08,030
Council Member Craves.

1052
01:24:08,210 --> 01:24:08,310
Aye.

1053
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:09,610
Deputy Mayor Methena.

1054
01:24:09,930 --> 01:24:10,970
Council Member Cooper.

1055
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:11,550
Aye.

1056
01:24:11,850 --> 01:24:12,450
Mayor Blackwell.

1057
01:24:12,830 --> 01:24:13,030
Aye.

1058
01:24:13,450 --> 01:24:14,610
Motion carries 5-0.

1059
01:24:17,170 --> 01:24:19,110
Can we move to Council Action?

1060
01:24:19,970 --> 01:24:20,190
Yes.

1061
01:24:20,530 --> 01:24:26,630
Since we're addressing these issues, item number 3, request the City Council approval for

1062
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:31,270
the preliminary subdivision plan to their

1063
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:36,690
out of order.

1064
01:24:39,330 --> 01:24:41,030
You want me to switch them number 4 first?

1065
01:24:42,430 --> 01:24:51,050
Request City Council approval of item number four of the concept master plan with the addition of the five foot sidewalks, is that correct?

1066
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,560
I think staff would rather see it in the PSP, which is the next item.

1067
01:25:00,190 --> 01:25:01,570
You can put it in both, if you like.

1068
01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:05,210
We'll just put it in both.

1069
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:06,250
Thank you, sir.

1070
01:25:07,570 --> 01:25:10,190
Do you have a motion for the adoption of item number four?

1071
01:25:10,670 --> 01:25:11,390
I have a question.

1072
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:13,410
Yes, council member, I ask you, I'm sorry.

1073
01:25:14,390 --> 01:25:19,490
Well, while you're throwing them there, this is just merely, you have a 20-foot setback.

1074
01:25:19,730 --> 01:25:21,470
Anyway, you can get a 25-foot setback.

1075
01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:25,270
If you go into communities with a 20-foot setback, it looks totally different.

1076
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:27,190
Yeah, cars and sidewalks, things like that.

1077
01:25:27,590 --> 01:25:28,490
Is that a possibility?

1078
01:25:30,030 --> 01:25:31,190
Would that be garage setback?

1079
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:31,650
Yeah.

1080
01:25:33,170 --> 01:25:33,950
Could you do that?

1081
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:34,210
Yes.

1082
01:25:35,130 --> 01:25:35,530
Fantastic.

1083
01:25:38,290 --> 01:25:40,550
You'll come back with that recommendation.

1084
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:41,730
Okay.

1085
01:25:41,730 --> 01:25:43,910
25-foot garage setbacks.

1086
01:25:48,020 --> 01:25:48,760
Excuse me, Council.

1087
01:25:50,180 --> 01:25:54,380
Before we make a motion on this, we did have a few discussions on the concept plan.

1088
01:25:55,020 --> 01:25:58,460
Before we make a motion on it, I want to make sure that our motion includes those things

1089
01:25:58,460 --> 01:25:59,220
that you requested.

1090
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:03,520
So we've now just talked about the 25-foot garage setback.

1091
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,020
We also talked about revising the parking plan, which was shown to you tonight, which includes

1092
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:13,400
additional parking, 4.5 spaces per unit.

1093
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,180
it so they will be revising that upon your decision tonight.

1094
01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:20,460
So I want to make sure all those things are in your motion.

1095
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,180
And a five foot sidewalk.

1096
01:26:23,460 --> 01:26:27,200
That's usually in the preliminary subdivision plan, but for

1097
01:26:27,200 --> 01:26:32,080
the parking calculations, as well as the dimensions of the,

1098
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,400
I'm sure you can throw it in the concept.

1099
01:26:38,410 --> 01:26:39,990
Five foot sidewalk and the concept plan as well.

1100
01:26:40,190 --> 01:26:41,070
Are we thoroughly confused?

1101
01:26:42,090 --> 01:26:42,810
Do we have all that?

1102
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:43,650
We have those three items.

1103
01:26:43,650 --> 01:26:48,990
I have five foot sidewalks 25 foot garage sitbacks 4.5 parking spaces.

1104
01:26:51,150 --> 01:26:53,330
Is that correct? Is there anything else?

1105
01:26:56,230 --> 01:26:57,770
I believe that's it. Thank you

1106
01:26:59,530 --> 01:27:03,890
Do I have a motion with those changes for item number four motion to approve?

1107
01:27:04,490 --> 01:27:10,690
Have a motion from Councilmember Aschews second for Councilmember Cooper Madam Clerk Councilmember Trace

1108
01:27:10,690 --> 01:27:14,950
Hi deputy Mayor Muthini. Hi Councilmember Cooper. Hi

1109
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:19,450
Councilmember Aschew. Hi Mayor Blackwell. Hi motion carries

1110
01:27:19,670 --> 01:27:29,450
5-0 brings us to item number three with those same additions of a five foot sidewalk 25 foot setbacks 4.5 parking spaces as

1111
01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:35,110
Well as providing the access on the PSP for the eastern connection

1112
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:38,170
If requested by council

1113
01:27:43,450 --> 01:27:44,690
so moved

1114
01:27:44,690 --> 01:27:51,070
We agree with them the access. Yes. Yes, the addition of the access you

1115
01:27:54,110 --> 01:27:57,310
agree on it

1116
01:27:57,310 --> 01:27:59,350
Adoption for with those four additions

1117
01:28:00,030 --> 01:28:00,930
So moved

1118
01:28:01,410 --> 01:28:06,270
Motion for councilmember Athena second by councilmember Cooper madam clerk

1119
01:28:06,910 --> 01:28:14,490
Deputy mayor mithini I councilmember Cooper. Hi councilmember ask you. Hi councilmember Trace. Hi mayor blackwell. Hi

1120
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:16,110
motion carries five zero

1121
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,780
We thank you mr. We are sounds and I think so

1122
01:28:38,380 --> 01:28:39,860
Thank you mr.

1123
01:28:42,980 --> 01:28:44,620
Manzerra. I so I believe you have a

1124
01:28:47,260 --> 01:28:52,060
I do, sir. Thank you, Mayor. Item number four, we're going to ask the council to continue

1125
01:28:52,060 --> 01:28:57,560
this item to the next council meeting to address some issues related to the standards

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01:28:57,560 --> 01:29:03,360
and the adoption of a resolution that imposes some detail. However, since it is an ordinance,

1127
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,880
we'll need to have Ivy read it into the record and then we'd ask for a motion to continue

1128
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:07,980
it to the-

1129
01:29:09,180 --> 01:29:10,220
Thank you.

1130
01:29:11,100 --> 01:29:12,980
Madam Clerk, will you please read item number four?

1131
01:29:13,580 --> 01:29:16,740
Final public hearing for ordinance number 2019-01.

1132
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:20,760
In ordinance of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida, amending Article 6,

1133
01:29:21,140 --> 01:29:25,220
construction design standards for pavement and drainage systems of the Land Development Code,

1134
01:29:25,700 --> 01:29:31,780
amending Article 7, utilities of the Land Development Code, repealing ordinance number 2014-26 in

1135
01:29:31,780 --> 01:29:36,800
its entirety, and re-adopting and codifying the city code, standards previously adopted by

1136
01:29:36,800 --> 01:29:39,520
resolution of the City Council providing for

1137
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:41,860
serobility, conflict, codification, effective date.

1138
01:29:44,590 --> 01:29:47,270
Do I have a motion for continuance?

1139
01:29:47,990 --> 01:29:48,690
Tell me.

1140
01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:51,670
I have a motion from Councilmember Muthini,

1141
01:29:52,590 --> 01:29:55,690
seconded Councilmember Cooper for continuance of item number four to

1142
01:29:55,690 --> 01:29:57,870
February 14th.

1143
01:29:58,170 --> 01:29:58,650
Madam Clerk.

1144
01:29:59,170 --> 01:29:59,850
Councilmember Cooper.

1145
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,360
Councillor, council member ask you. Councillor, overtrace. Aye. Deputy Mayor McLean. Aye. Mayor Blackwell. Aye.

1146
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:12,600
Closing carried, five, zero. Bring to us item number five, panel clerk.

1147
01:30:13,180 --> 01:30:18,420
Final public hearing for ordinance number 2019-02. An ordinance of the city council of the city of St.

1148
01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:29,340
Claude, Florida, amending Article 3, do any regulations of the Land Development Code of the city of St. Claude, changing and assigning floodplain administrative, providing for cerebral and complex codification and effective date.

1149
01:30:29,340 --> 01:30:30,280
Good

1150
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,320
evening, Dan and Raleigh, Public Services Administrator.

1151
01:30:48,430 --> 01:31:03,750
Through some of the issues that we had in the grid with infill lots and fill, we determined that the building department and the City of St. Cloud is the greatest point of interest to deal with permits coming in and worth it needs to be done on a lot.

1152
01:31:03,750 --> 01:31:16,550
So we prepared this ordinance to change from having the city engineer being the floodplain program administrator to the building official, which currently is Doug Tillery at this time.

1153
01:31:19,050 --> 01:31:22,870
I don't know if you have any additional questions from the first reading to now.

1154
01:31:23,890 --> 01:31:26,130
Would anyone in the audience like to speak to this item?

1155
01:31:26,130 --> 01:31:31,360
If not, we'll entertain a motion or questions by Council.

1156
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:32,380
Motion to approve.

1157
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:33,020
Second.

1158
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,560
We have a motion from Councilmember Muthini second by ask you.

1159
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:37,820
Madam Clerk.

1160
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:39,520
Councilmember ask you.

1161
01:31:39,660 --> 01:31:39,860
All right.

1162
01:31:40,300 --> 01:31:41,040
Councilmember Trays.

1163
01:31:41,420 --> 01:31:41,500
Aye.

1164
01:31:41,960 --> 01:31:42,880
Deputy Mayor Muthini.

1165
01:31:43,140 --> 01:31:43,240
Aye.

1166
01:31:43,860 --> 01:31:44,520
Councilmember Cooper.

1167
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:45,280
Aye.

1168
01:31:45,660 --> 01:31:46,680
Mayor Blackwell.

1169
01:31:46,980 --> 01:31:47,120
Aye.

1170
01:31:47,780 --> 01:31:48,900
Motion carries 5-0.

1171
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:52,920
Brings us to Council action.

1172
01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,180
Item number one resolution 219-014.

1173
01:31:56,980 --> 01:31:57,260
Madam Clerk.

1174
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:02,620
Resolution number 2,019-014R, a resolution of City Council of the City of St.

1175
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:06,060
Claude, Florida, approving a water and wastewater service agreement for Church

1176
01:32:06,060 --> 01:32:10,640
of Live Bank, for the institutional development named Hagerie Tree Charter School located

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01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:15,160
in the unincorporated areas of Osteola County on the east side of Hagerie Tree Road south

1178
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:20,080
of US-192 north of Nelty Road west of Live Oak Boulevard, authorizing the city manager

1179
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,440
to execute their agreement and providing an effective date.

1180
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:23,400
Good

1181
01:32:26,950 --> 01:32:29,870
evening, Diane Raleigh, Public Services Administrator.

1182
01:32:32,820 --> 01:32:39,600
Resolution 2019-14R for approved would be for a water and waste water service agreement

1183
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:43,400
for the Hickory Tree Charter School by Church Alive Inc.

1184
01:32:43,980 --> 01:32:48,760
This development meets our infrastructure strategic plan goal.

1185
01:32:49,540 --> 01:32:53,660
Church Alive Inc. is requesting a water and waste water service to their property located

1186
01:32:53,660 --> 01:33:02,880
on Hickory Tree Road south of U.S. Highway 192, north of Nolte Road and west of Liva Boulevard

1187
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,700
for the institutional development of Hickory Tree Charter School.

1188
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:11,340
This is in the unincorporated part of Oceola County.

1189
01:33:11,700 --> 01:33:16,340
The proposed development is within our water and wastewater service area.

1190
01:33:18,350 --> 01:33:23,190
So it does require council approval to enter into the agreement.

1191
01:33:23,190 --> 01:33:38,830
There were discussions brought up about stacking the parking or having the car stack on their development so that it doesn't interfere with traffic or cause additional traffic concerns as you can see on this drawing they have addressed that issue we

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01:33:41,710 --> 01:33:51,790
have determined that there is available water and wastewater capacity to serve this project and at this time the applicant is requesting approval from the council I'm

1193
01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:57,130
not sure if the applicant here would like to speak to

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01:34:02,660 --> 01:34:03,420
please say your name.

1195
01:34:04,880 --> 01:34:11,420
Good evening. My name is John Moody with all-seal engineering and corporates. I represent the applicant and the applicant to answer any questions.

1196
01:34:12,460 --> 01:34:13,260
Thank you.

1197
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,100
Would anyone of the audience like to speak to this item?

1198
01:34:18,310 --> 01:34:19,730
We have discussion of motion by council.

1199
01:34:20,410 --> 01:34:21,230
Motion to approve.

1200
01:34:21,850 --> 01:34:23,970
We have motion by council member Matini. Do I have a second?

1201
01:34:24,370 --> 01:34:24,610
Second.

1202
01:34:24,810 --> 01:34:26,190
Second by council member ASCUE, Madam Clerk.

1203
01:34:27,870 --> 01:34:28,810
Council member Trace.

1204
01:34:29,410 --> 01:34:29,530
Aye.

1205
01:34:30,030 --> 01:34:30,790
Deputy Mayor Matini.

1206
01:34:31,050 --> 01:34:31,170
Aye.

1207
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:32,390
Council member Cooper.

1208
01:34:32,970 --> 01:34:33,110
Aye.

1209
01:34:33,110 --> 01:34:33,130
Okay.

1210
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:34,670
Council member ask you.

1211
01:34:34,730 --> 01:34:34,910
All right.

1212
01:34:35,210 --> 01:34:35,870
Mayor Blackwell.

1213
01:34:36,270 --> 01:34:36,470
Aye.

1214
01:34:36,770 --> 01:34:37,930
Motion carries 5-0.

1215
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:41,600
Now to talk here we have number two.

1216
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:45,020
Resolution number 2019-029R.

1217
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,900
A resolution of the City Council of the City of St. Claude, Florida,

1218
01:34:48,200 --> 01:34:50,560
authorizing and directing the mayor to enter into an agreement

1219
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:52,220
with Johnny Pizz Construction Inc.

1220
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:56,640
Per request of the proposal RFP number 2018-192

1221
01:34:56,640 --> 01:35:00,240
for design and installation of all inclusive park equipment

1222
01:35:00,240 --> 01:35:02,220
and amenities providing reform and effective date.

1223
01:35:02,220 --> 01:35:06,940
Good evening, Stephanie Holkamp, Parks and Recreation Director.

1224
01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:21,650
Wrong way.

1225
01:35:25,490 --> 01:35:25,670
Okay.

1226
01:35:26,690 --> 01:35:35,950
This resolution is requiring you to enter an agreement for design installation and park equipment and amenities for the 901 Virginia.

1227
01:35:36,410 --> 01:35:39,190
A little background

1228
01:35:41,430 --> 01:35:51,430
of this may of 2018, the City Council directed staff to put in a bid for the purchase of 901 Virginia.

1229
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:54,910
Now, it was surplus property from the school board.

1230
01:35:55,510 --> 01:36:03,770
In September of 18, we contracted with OCEO engineering and had them to perform professional engineering services for the all-inclusive park.

1231
01:36:04,610 --> 01:36:15,130
In December 2018, we issued an RFP for the design installation and play component structures, which is in front of you this evening.

1232
01:36:15,130 --> 01:36:22,930
In January of 2019, we had a committee review of those proposals and a recommendation was made.

1233
01:36:25,550 --> 01:36:28,730
This would be the all-inclusive park on not a one Virginia.

1234
01:36:33,420 --> 01:36:37,660
This is the landscaping and landscaping plan for the park.

1235
01:36:38,380 --> 01:36:44,260
All of this remade, all of this meets the land development code for landscaping and buffering.

1236
01:36:44,260 --> 01:36:45,160
then

1237
01:36:48,460 --> 01:36:54,080
on January 9th, we had a community meeting or a public meeting held at the

1238
01:36:54,080 --> 01:37:00,300
community house. We sent out 66 public meeting notices, 12 residents attended

1239
01:37:00,300 --> 01:37:03,900
the meeting and we also placed signs on the property for anyone to attend.

1240
01:37:07,460 --> 01:37:07,560
Some

1241
01:37:07,560 --> 01:37:12,660
of the concerns or comments that came out of the public meeting were flooding

1242
01:37:12,660 --> 01:37:18,160
issues. There was flooding issues adjacent to the park on the west side on Virgin

1243
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:18,460
you now.

1244
01:37:21,990 --> 01:37:28,110
During this meeting, we had Ocele Engineering at the meeting and they determined

1245
01:37:28,110 --> 01:37:34,530
that the park would not increase the stormwater volume in this area. They were also concerned

1246
01:37:34,530 --> 01:37:40,590
about the increase of traffic and noise in this area. This park would only be open from

1247
01:37:41,170 --> 01:37:46,890
dawn to dusk and the landscaping buffering and fence would help with the noise to the area.

1248
01:37:48,070 --> 01:37:55,890
This is a retired, the immediate Jason area in the town home, which is there, most of them are retirees.

1249
01:37:57,950 --> 01:38:04,490
This is though, there is within a quarter mile radius of this park through services 565 kids.

1250
01:38:06,860 --> 01:38:17,300
The speed limit on 10th, they were concerned about the safety that was proposed in the plan to put an electronic flashing crossing sign system so the kids could get across the street safely.

1251
01:38:17,900 --> 01:38:31,060
Criminal mischief and vandalism in the park, we will have security cameras, we'll have perimeter lighting around the park, not on the interior of the park, it would give the perception that the park was open in the evening.

1252
01:38:33,260 --> 01:38:44,820
The park is too close to homes, this comment came from the property owners to the east of the park property, we have met with them on site a few times.

1253
01:38:44,820 --> 01:38:49,460
So additional landscaping could be added.

1254
01:38:52,530 --> 01:38:54,910
The park would decrease in property value.

1255
01:38:55,690 --> 01:39:01,270
I have not seen any literature that shows that parks decrease property value.

1256
01:39:01,410 --> 01:39:07,770
In fact, there was an article in the American Planning Association and it talked about how

1257
01:39:07,770 --> 01:39:11,910
parks helped property values in the adjacent area.

1258
01:39:13,940 --> 01:39:17,500
And then they were also considered concerned about their privacy.

1259
01:39:18,120 --> 01:39:24,440
We did, like I said, the landscaping buffer and also there's a chain link fence now.

1260
01:39:24,940 --> 01:39:28,920
I think there were some concerns that was just a chain link fence, but we're actually going to put slats in it.

1261
01:39:32,300 --> 01:39:39,420
And then the funding, the total cost of the project is $985,000.

1262
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:46,260
What's in front of you tonight is actual playground equipment in the installation, which is $760,000.

1263
01:39:46,260 --> 01:40:00,240
And so the additional would be for the civil work, we were offered an applied for CDBG funding through the county at 500,000 and we are currently working with the county to finalize that agreement.

1264
01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:09,060
The funding has to be spent by May of 2019 and the project completed by June 30 of 2019 to receive those funds.

1265
01:40:09,060 --> 01:40:18,060
So in reality, tonight we would be spending 260,000 out of recreational impact fees to pay

1266
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:18,820
for the difference.

1267
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:25,040
If the CDBG funding is not approved through the agreement, then there is the additional

1268
01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:28,680
500,000 available in the Parks and Recreation Impact fees.

1269
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:39,080
Staff recommends approval of Resolution 2019 to $1,9R,

1270
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:43,360
and I can answer any questions.

1271
01:41:01,440 --> 01:41:08,120
I will be living directly across from this park as well as nine other of my neighbors.

1272
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:11,140
It's 80 feet from my front door.

1273
01:41:13,780 --> 01:41:19,320
I passed out or someone passed out packets, and I think you all received them.

1274
01:41:20,420 --> 01:41:23,540
And I have addendums to those if I could give you.

1275
01:41:25,020 --> 01:41:25,800
Senator, right?

1276
01:41:26,100 --> 01:41:27,160
I'll be passed ahead, of course.

1277
01:41:39,840 --> 01:41:43,800
I am president of the Vera Cruz Homeowners Association.

1278
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:48,760
And as president, I'm obligated to provide safety and security for our residents.

1279
01:41:49,380 --> 01:41:53,000
and to maintain the aesthetics and property values for the homeowners.

1280
01:41:54,220 --> 01:41:59,320
I hope you've all had a chance to review the report and understand our fears and concerns

1281
01:41:59,320 --> 01:42:02,120
for what you're trying to do to our neighborhood and our homes.

1282
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,260
If anyone did not receive one, I have extras.

1283
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:11,600
Our turnout tonight is low because most of the people that would be affected by your park

1284
01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:14,260
are senior citizens, and they don't go out at night.

1285
01:42:15,580 --> 01:42:21,060
Most of the people in our neighborhood, even though all the packets were supposedly sent

1286
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:28,260
out, we have four Hispanic families and they do not speak or read English and they had

1287
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:29,700
no idea what was going on.

1288
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:36,000
We have not had sufficient time to complete our study and still have many unanswered questions.

1289
01:42:38,070 --> 01:42:42,930
We still have many questions regarding the choice of location, legal matters, liability,

1290
01:42:42,930 --> 01:42:45,730
facility, flooding, security, et cetera.

1291
01:42:47,290 --> 01:42:52,810
We would like to have you do a comparison between the Census Park and Kissimmee, which

1292
01:42:52,810 --> 01:42:57,490
is what I passed out to you, that is just being completed in your design.

1293
01:42:58,570 --> 01:43:04,730
Census Park was designed by Oceola County Public Lands Manager Bob Mindick and Oceola County

1294
01:43:04,730 --> 01:43:06,610
Commissioner Viviana Jenner.

1295
01:43:07,450 --> 01:43:11,750
We would like to get their opinions on the location and design of your proposed park.

1296
01:43:12,350 --> 01:43:20,190
With so many unanswered questions, legal considerations, and safety concerns, we ask that you vote no on the approval of this park.

1297
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:22,490
Thank you.

1298
01:43:23,010 --> 01:43:23,530
Thank you.

1299
01:43:30,050 --> 01:43:30,610
Ronald

1300
01:43:32,850 --> 01:43:34,150
Collins, is that correct?

1301
01:43:34,750 --> 01:43:35,970
Am I ready to get that correct?

1302
01:43:36,010 --> 01:43:36,410
I'm not ready.

1303
01:43:37,370 --> 01:43:38,170
See here.

1304
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:41,790
John Connolly.

1305
01:43:46,670 --> 01:43:47,150
Mayor.

1306
01:43:48,210 --> 01:43:48,990
Good evening.

1307
01:43:49,270 --> 01:43:50,430
My name's John Connolly.

1308
01:43:50,690 --> 01:43:54,010
I live at 900 Maryland Avenue, St. Cloud, Florida.

1309
01:43:54,010 --> 01:44:05,350
our property is adjacent to the park about 130 feet of frontage to the park. I want to start

1310
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:13,170
actually to thank Councilman Asquith for coming out yesterday to look at our side of the

1311
01:44:13,170 --> 01:44:23,470
story. City manager Sturgeon and Parks Department head hole camp. They came out. They walked our

1312
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:27,810
property line and look back through to where this proposed park is.

1313
01:44:28,350 --> 01:44:34,850
We have three concerns I don't have much time and they are fencing tree preservation and

1314
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:36,230
the park concept.

1315
01:44:36,750 --> 01:44:40,490
The fencing as now proposed, the park would use chain link.

1316
01:44:40,730 --> 01:44:45,250
There are three private properties that border this park.

1317
01:44:45,650 --> 01:44:47,210
This affords no privacy.

1318
01:44:47,970 --> 01:44:52,350
The proposed hedge material will take years to fill in.

1319
01:44:52,350 --> 01:44:59,770
I have spent the last 40 years as a partner in a nursery in South Florida growing trees for mostly

1320
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
A tropical south Florida, but we know a lot about trees and how long they take to grow and what you're proposing will offer no buffer and will offer no canopy for more than a decade. I propose a, I propose a non-white vinyl fence for only the east property line for some semblance of immediate privacy from park activities. One half of this property line

1321
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:33,260
has numerous large trees.

1322
01:45:33,860 --> 01:45:42,440
I propose the fence should accommodate these as they will add immediate large canopy and diversity to the park.

1323
01:45:43,620 --> 01:45:59,100
Now the trees, there are over 65 trees in this 130-foot border that range in size from 25 to 60 feet.

1324
01:45:59,100 --> 01:46:13,820
Two large trees, a camper and a guana costate, also known as a monkey year, are so close and I believe both straddle our property and the city's property.

1325
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:17,020
Taking one out will probably kill the other.

1326
01:46:18,020 --> 01:46:26,100
These trees will offer more canopy than all the trees presently presented in this proposal.

1327
01:46:26,100 --> 01:46:35,180
just those two trees. These trees offer a two-step process in thinning this tree line.

1328
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:43,320
First trim the low trees and foliage, step back, re-evaluate the large trees and their value.

1329
01:46:43,660 --> 01:46:50,900
I believe you will be amazed that the diversity, the canopy, especially in summer, the canopy is quite large.

1330
01:46:50,900 --> 01:46:59,120
The colors of the fall will be an additional plus for the park.

1331
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:10,940
The habitat includes two species of woodpecker, the red-shouldered hawk, two species of owls,

1332
01:47:11,160 --> 01:47:13,600
and several other species of birds.

1333
01:47:14,440 --> 01:47:18,260
The last part I know I ran over my time, the concept.

1334
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:24,540
The concept is not a park, let's be clear it is a playground.

1335
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:30,620
You cannot compare this to existing parks in the States, you can only contrast them.

1336
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:40,760
God win park over 80,000 square feet playground area dedicated 1,100 square feet less than 2% of total area.

1337
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:50,460
O.P. Johnson over 80,000 square feet playground area, 1,050 approximate square feet less than 2% of total area.

1338
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:54,660
This Virginia Avenue proposed park.

1339
01:47:55,840 --> 01:48:04,460
Let me just back to our Godwin has tennis racket ball in a huge green area surrounded by very old pine trees.

1340
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:09,340
O.P. Johnson provides tennis basketball and baseball.

1341
01:48:10,940 --> 01:48:13,180
I need to wrap it up, okay?

1342
01:48:13,340 --> 01:48:17,640
Okay, 41,000 square feet, this proposed park.

1343
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:22,180
The playground area is 16,200 feet,

1344
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:25,440
39% of the entire area.

1345
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:28,340
43% of the grass that is there now

1346
01:48:28,340 --> 01:48:31,920
will be covered with concrete or synthetic material.

1347
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:36,560
I implore you to vote against this proposal.

1348
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,520
Thank you very much for your input

1349
01:48:40,160 --> 01:48:45,700
Mr. Sturgeon. Yes, Mayor. Thank you Mr. Connelly had given me some handwritten notes. I had him typed up

1350
01:48:45,700 --> 01:48:48,280
I just wanted to give it to each council member and put it into the record

1351
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:49,240
Okay

1352
01:48:55,610 --> 01:48:57,550
Would anyone else like to speak to this item?

1353
01:49:01,300 --> 01:49:03,420
Please state your name and address for the record, please

1354
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:11,800
Good evening. He went crumpler machine evidence. Thank God Florida

1355
01:49:12,700 --> 01:49:16,440
The last speaker actually touched on a couple of questions that I had

1356
01:49:16,860 --> 01:49:20,980
First question was, what kind of trees are on there and what are we doing to preserve them all?

1357
01:49:21,620 --> 01:49:24,140
Second question was, what kind of wildlife is on there?

1358
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:28,240
Have we examined that closely to make sure we're not interfering with that and we're preserving that?

1359
01:49:29,880 --> 01:49:33,860
And I think the point about, this is a playground and not a park.

1360
01:49:34,160 --> 01:49:36,680
I have a question, what is an all-inclusive park, what does that mean?

1361
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:44,460
But I would be in favor of a park that preserves the habitat for the wildlife,

1362
01:49:44,460 --> 01:49:55,700
live preserves the trees, but I don't think this is a great place for a playground, and I really think we ought to re-look at that plan for that reason.

1363
01:49:56,820 --> 01:49:59,560
Can somebody just answer real quickly what is an all-inclusive park?

1364
01:50:05,380 --> 01:50:09,140
It's an all-inclusive park where children have all the abilities can play side by side.

1365
01:50:13,460 --> 01:50:14,480
Yeah, wheelchair accessible.

1366
01:50:15,120 --> 01:50:20,000
Yeah, thank you all that's a nice but I just don't think this is the right spot for that personally

1367
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:22,900
I think the last speaker made some very valid points

1368
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:29,040
Lastly, I if we don't get the $500,000 that you know the

1369
01:50:30,260 --> 01:50:33,080
That's in the plan here. I think that would be a terrible waste of money

1370
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:35,200
For us to have to pay for that

1371
01:50:35,200 --> 01:50:42,010
But anyway, I just think that you know playgrounds or playgrounds parks or parks and if we had a nice place that people could sit in

1372
01:50:42,010 --> 01:50:44,070
and it was pretty, that'd be nice,

1373
01:50:44,510 --> 01:50:46,850
but I don't think this is a right spot for a playground.

1374
01:50:47,410 --> 01:50:51,250
Last comment, Mr. City Manager, on the agenda,

1375
01:50:51,390 --> 01:50:53,210
could you please put the subjects for the workshops?

1376
01:50:53,530 --> 01:50:53,890
Thank you.

1377
01:50:58,350 --> 01:50:58,890
Mr. Sturgeon.

1378
01:50:59,610 --> 01:51:00,010
Oh, I'm sorry.

1379
01:51:00,250 --> 01:51:00,950
Would you run last time?

1380
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:07,000
Go ahead and do the clerk, please.

1381
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:08,240
And it's the clerk, please.

1382
01:51:10,820 --> 01:51:13,720
Please say your name and address for the record.

1383
01:51:14,440 --> 01:51:14,560
Thank you.

1384
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:18,380
Valerie Anderson, 714 Kentucky Avenue, St. Cloud, Florida.

1385
01:51:19,180 --> 01:51:20,960
So you have my letter with some attachments,

1386
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:29,480
which include maps and additional references, all of you, but Keith would remember that I was here in last May in support of the purchase of this park.

1387
01:51:30,380 --> 01:51:37,220
So when I first heard about the proposal to put a park here, I was a really non-favor because I'm more of an infill development,

1388
01:51:37,740 --> 01:51:41,340
a proponent of, you know, dense development near a city center.

1389
01:51:41,560 --> 01:51:47,020
I thought this would be a good place for, like, three or four-story apartment for like workforce housing.

1390
01:51:47,020 --> 01:51:54,720
But then I looked at the Transfer Public Land website where they have an assessment of parks within 10 minute walking distance.

1391
01:51:55,240 --> 01:52:01,880
And there's a lot of, a lot of kids about half of which are low income on the South Side of Ten Street who don't have a park to walk to.

1392
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:09,020
And I also looked at the City of St. Claude Park's Master Plan, Trails Master Plan.

1393
01:52:09,440 --> 01:52:13,640
And that Trails Master Plan actually has a, has a trail on 11th.

1394
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:17,600
And another trail that goes past Godwin Park.

1395
01:52:18,680 --> 01:52:25,120
And so those were, I think that it fits in really well with the future accessibility.

1396
01:52:26,180 --> 01:52:33,640
Non-car accessibility in the city, which, as a person who would like us to have less cars in the city side, that I think that will be really good.

1397
01:52:37,700 --> 01:52:40,460
So, there are fine many reasons I believe this park will be a good addition.

1398
01:52:40,460 --> 01:52:46,560
So the priority address the park's walkability issue in that area.

1399
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:49,180
So I live on Kentucky, so I'm not super close.

1400
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:50,480
This is not going to be a walk-o park for me.

1401
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:56,360
I don't have kids, but I know that my neighbors try and go to God when a lot, and you know they

1402
01:52:56,360 --> 01:52:59,500
have a young kid, a young daughter, and it's pretty packed.

1403
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:01,980
And so it'd be nice if they had another place to play.

1404
01:53:04,220 --> 01:53:10,000
That area has a pretty poor urban forest canopy, partially due to the townhomes there.

1405
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:15,340
there, they don't have a lot of trees, and one of Osceola counties, things that are trying

1406
01:53:15,340 --> 01:53:18,280
to do is improve the urban forest canopy throughout the county.

1407
01:53:19,060 --> 01:53:24,140
So this would help with that, and I looked at the plan for the park, and there's a lot of

1408
01:53:24,140 --> 01:53:28,780
native trees in there, and replacing the monkey ear and the camper, which are both category

1409
01:53:28,780 --> 01:53:34,140
one invasives, according to the invasive species council, the flora invasive species council,

1410
01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:36,400
that would be a good thing for the wildlife in the area.

1411
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:42,300
You might see a slight decrease, but over five years, you'd be in a much better place.

1412
01:53:45,940 --> 01:53:53,360
Also, within the parks plan, there's amenities such as picnic tables and other green space, which I think are really, really important.

1413
01:53:53,600 --> 01:54:00,380
And I gave you all of my packets, which was kind of dumb, but you'll notice I, around, thank you.

1414
01:54:05,670 --> 01:54:11,970
So I did a quick GIS analysis on the second map, it's on the back.

1415
01:54:13,890 --> 01:54:32,010
And because I really like Godwin Park, so I wanted to see there's a few studies that I looked at and some of them say that parks with playgrounds decrease property values, but there's only one study that says that most of the other studies say that parks increase property values, particularly right around the park.

1416
01:54:32,010 --> 01:54:34,570
And so I did a little analysis for Godwin Park.

1417
01:54:35,410 --> 01:54:46,610
And it turns out that at home value parcels two parcels away from the park are at an average of 17% lower in value than the ones actually fronting the park.

1418
01:54:47,110 --> 01:54:52,470
It is specifically in Godwin Park and this is using 2018 assessed values.

1419
01:54:52,970 --> 01:54:54,670
Yeah, thank you.

1420
01:54:54,850 --> 01:54:55,990
So I'm in favor, obviously.

1421
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:57,810
All right, thank you very much.

1422
01:54:58,490 --> 01:55:00,650
Would anyone else like to speak to this item?

1423
01:55:02,990 --> 01:55:05,990
Good evening, Richard Clark, landscape architect with Ossiel Engineering.

1424
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:09,490
I just want to make myself available if you have any questions as

1425
01:55:09,490 --> 01:55:14,330
our firm was actually instrumental in both Census Inclusive Park as well as the design of this park.

1426
01:55:14,630 --> 01:55:14,930
Thank you.

1427
01:55:15,270 --> 01:55:16,050
Thank you very much.

1428
01:55:17,530 --> 01:55:20,130
Please step to the podium please.

1429
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:23,870
And when you finish, please turn in a written record.

1430
01:55:30,670 --> 01:55:45,610
I'm in favor of the park, we have a child with the disability, parks are far from where our property is, and the own inclusive park would be a real benefit.

1431
01:55:48,330 --> 01:55:56,390
500 kids within a quarter mile area that don't have a park is, you know, a big deal.

1432
01:55:57,130 --> 01:56:04,170
And I do understand their concerns, but I do believe that a park would be a great

1433
01:56:04,770 --> 01:56:06,830
addition and benefit to the area.

1434
01:56:07,390 --> 01:56:07,930
Thank you.

1435
01:56:08,370 --> 01:56:09,330
Thank you very much.

1436
01:56:11,930 --> 01:56:12,990
Anyone else?

1437
01:56:12,990 --> 01:56:19,120
If not, we'll turn to Council for discussion and our motion, Councilmember Trace.

1438
01:56:20,760 --> 01:56:28,760
So I also wanted to talk through, put this together, report that Mr. Richard Oars put together.

1439
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:35,580
This is like the best report from a citizen I've ever seen, but it did bring up a lot

1440
01:56:35,580 --> 01:56:40,800
of concerns with the property and there are some, what I like about it is, it doesn't just

1441
01:56:40,800 --> 01:56:44,380
It brings up concerns, it brings up solutions too, which is always kind of nice.

1442
01:56:46,320 --> 01:57:00,280
A couple of the issues, one of them being drainage, there is a drainage issue in the area, and it's all secondary drainage where it's all inlet and the pipe gets full, and after a couple of hours it'll subside.

1443
01:57:01,180 --> 01:57:09,520
Keeping this as mostly green space will most likely help the situation, or not make it worse as if it was a total infill development.

1444
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,680
And if more town homes were built on the other side,

1445
01:57:12,100 --> 01:57:14,660
it would actually make it a lot worse than it currently is.

1446
01:57:16,340 --> 01:57:20,580
Parking, I think as the city, we should set the standard

1447
01:57:20,580 --> 01:57:25,000
and do positive design or better design,

1448
01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:27,000
especially on the parking.

1449
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,020
I don't like parking backing directly onto streets.

1450
01:57:31,540 --> 01:57:32,680
I think that's unsafe.

1451
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,500
It should be in an off-street parking lot,

1452
01:57:35,780 --> 01:57:39,080
unless it's on-street parallel parking in certain situations.

1453
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:47,000
So, the solution in this package by Mr. Orres showed a pretty good solution for just having an off-street parking lot.

1454
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:51,540
You know, something that we'd have to have, also engineering design properly.

1455
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,240
Buffers was another good concern.

1456
01:57:55,420 --> 01:57:59,320
I don't think we should be using chain link fence wherever possible.

1457
01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,960
If we need opaque fence, let's use some PVC vinyl fence.

1458
01:58:03,380 --> 01:58:06,000
Or if we don't, we just need safety and security.

1459
01:58:06,580 --> 01:58:13,860
which a playground should have some rot-iron tight fence or some of the

1460
01:58:13,860 --> 01:58:19,180
fencing that's just not chainly fence essentially. Landscaping as well,

1461
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:23,220
planning canopy trees wherever we can. I didn't see a landscape plan in our

1462
01:58:23,220 --> 01:58:28,640
package. It was mostly just a civil layout, but I think we should put in some,

1463
01:58:29,140 --> 01:58:33,160
the Florida friendly landscaping with canopy trees to make sure that one of the

1464
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:37,160
biggest concerns at playgrounds is is there enough shade and I just want to make sure we're providing that.

1465
01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,500
I think that is it for my list. Thank you.

1466
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:44,440
Councillor Muthini.

1467
01:58:45,240 --> 01:58:45,940
Thank you.

1468
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,640
Let me see. I got a few things in here.

1469
01:58:50,120 --> 01:58:55,280
So I am agreeing with, I sounds like everybody here that I'd like to do whatever we can to preserve trees.

1470
01:58:55,480 --> 01:59:00,160
I know some are nuisance evasive but you know and people who are smarter about trees than me can make these decisions.

1471
01:59:00,160 --> 01:59:04,320
but I'm not in favor of wholesale cutting down trees.

1472
01:59:05,020 --> 01:59:07,980
I still have heartache over one that happened near my house.

1473
01:59:08,160 --> 01:59:08,980
I won't mention it.

1474
01:59:10,360 --> 01:59:12,620
So I know there has been some discussion,

1475
01:59:12,620 --> 01:59:16,800
and I see it's in the notes that Mr. Connolly provided

1476
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:18,900
to the city manager about crime.

1477
01:59:19,140 --> 01:59:24,200
I did talk about this in my agenda review with the police department.

1478
01:59:24,380 --> 01:59:26,700
I didn't know if our police chief could comment on this.

1479
01:59:26,700 --> 01:59:27,640
Do

1480
01:59:32,950 --> 01:59:36,750
you find that parks moving into an area increases crime?

1481
01:59:36,970 --> 01:59:37,770
Not necessarily.

1482
01:59:37,950 --> 01:59:39,330
A lot of it is going to be the design of the park.

1483
01:59:39,630 --> 01:59:47,090
We did a three year study on 12 existing parks and found that calls for service are within

1484
01:59:47,090 --> 01:59:47,510
norms.

1485
01:59:48,170 --> 01:59:52,290
Some of the parks like Lakeshore, which take up an awful lot because of this year's size.

1486
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:57,730
Occasionally there is a vandalism or occasionally we'll have somebody in the park after hours

1487
01:59:57,730 --> 01:59:59,190
which we have to escort out.

1488
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:27,900
And in this particular case, I don't anticipate the size of this. The one thing I will do is the proper lighting that's available and certainly make it open enough where we don't have vandalism. Thanks for nothing that's going to attract. So one of the concerns that Mr. Connelly brought up was about the fencing and I didn't like the fencing that was described as chain link with slats in it. I'm, you know, this park has a big price tag on it that, you know, that seems like something we could potentially upgrade.

1489
02:00:27,900 --> 02:00:35,860
I understand his concern immediately immediately adjacent to the park, and I don't know if we could possibly do an opaque fencing on that property land.

1490
02:00:35,960 --> 02:00:44,700
I don't think you want to do it 360 because you want people to be able to see into the park and kind of monitor it, but maybe there was something we could do back there.

1491
02:00:44,920 --> 02:00:53,600
One of the items I discussed in my gender review was on the parking since it is an all inclusive playground.

1492
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:57,920
And since there is a lot of accommodations for people with mobility issues,

1493
02:00:58,220 --> 02:01:08,340
maybe we should have more handicap spaces or potentially larger spaces that could allow flexible use as far as people come and use the park.

1494
02:01:08,520 --> 02:01:18,680
I know that it would decrease the number of parking spaces, but to me I was thinking you're going to probably have a higher number of people needing the larger parking stalls.

1495
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:21,700
So, I would be interested in looking at that.

1496
02:01:21,900 --> 02:01:26,840
I know there's not specifically a parking requirement for this, so we wouldn't be breaking

1497
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,840
any parking rules.

1498
02:01:30,780 --> 02:01:36,640
And then also, I would like to make this approval when I'm going to, you know, I'm assuming

1499
02:01:36,640 --> 02:01:43,140
it's going to move forward, but contingent on us getting the CDBG funds, you know, I think

1500
02:01:43,140 --> 02:01:50,380
But that to me is key in moving this project forward is getting that $500,000 in CDBG funds.

1501
02:01:51,680 --> 02:01:52,720
Those are my comments.

1502
02:01:54,100 --> 02:01:56,420
Do I have another comment from Rescue?

1503
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:05,800
So I walked it with John and his wife Becky and I like the idea of the park myself.

1504
02:02:07,100 --> 02:02:11,320
He does have a lot of trees in that area and we walked with Stephanie and Arborist.

1505
02:02:12,180 --> 02:02:15,340
And I think we could think that some of those trees can be saved.

1506
02:02:15,520 --> 02:02:21,780
But one of the ideas, same thing, I've been Councilwoman Mathini, was maybe we can look at a different type of fencing.

1507
02:02:21,780 --> 02:02:26,440
I think Stephanie came up with some wooden, slat fencing that's a little bit more natural.

1508
02:02:27,160 --> 02:02:31,040
At first I said like a tan colored vinyl or something like that.

1509
02:02:31,160 --> 02:02:36,020
But she even said that something a little more natural, like a wooden fence that ran along the backside of that.

1510
02:02:38,100 --> 02:02:42,060
And if we were going for it, I would definitely like to see something like that.

1511
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:50,080
I think I'm going to, Mr. Trace, too, it'd be nicer to have a nicer fence, some kind of

1512
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:51,520
rot iron or something like that.

1513
02:02:52,140 --> 02:02:57,500
I think the, you know, sort of cheapening it down when you put a chain length fence in

1514
02:02:57,500 --> 02:02:57,700
there.

1515
02:03:00,430 --> 02:03:01,270
Councilor Cooker.

1516
02:03:01,630 --> 02:03:01,910
Thank you.

1517
02:03:01,910 --> 02:03:09,470
When I see the candy kept parking coming off of Virginia Avenue or parking there, it looks

1518
02:03:09,470 --> 02:03:17,330
like when they unload and offload and load back, that it's going to take quite of an area

1519
02:03:17,910 --> 02:03:24,810
into Virginia's area of the roadway, and it seems like to me it would be much better

1520
02:03:24,810 --> 02:03:31,710
if we could put it like I think Mr. Tray said if you can put it more into the

1521
02:03:31,710 --> 02:03:37,670
front section coming off of 10th Street maybe that you could come in off there

1522
02:03:37,670 --> 02:03:42,490
and come back out of there from one end to the other we've got about 150 feet

1523
02:03:42,490 --> 02:03:48,970
there I believe and put the parking in the front there and use some of the side

1524
02:03:48,970 --> 02:03:53,310
where they're going to have parking now that they have the canopies and some

1525
02:03:53,310 --> 02:03:56,010
some privacy fence along the mayor.

1526
02:03:57,310 --> 02:03:58,010
Thank you.

1527
02:04:00,460 --> 02:04:01,080
Mr. Benzer.

1528
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:03,980
Yeah, I was just as we'll listen to the council discuss this

1529
02:04:03,980 --> 02:04:05,920
and Mr. Sturgeon, I was just talking about this.

1530
02:04:06,340 --> 02:04:10,000
The item before you is a contract to acquire the equipment.

1531
02:04:11,540 --> 02:04:14,480
And that's the only item before you tonight.

1532
02:04:14,840 --> 02:04:17,120
It sounds like obviously there's been a lot of comments put

1533
02:04:17,120 --> 02:04:19,580
in place about things that the council might want to see

1534
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:23,220
that you don't necessarily see on the documents in front

1535
02:04:23,220 --> 02:04:23,760
of you now.

1536
02:04:23,760 --> 02:04:35,660
So you could move forward with the acquisition of the contract condition as Councilwoman Muthini pointing out on getting the grant money to pay for the line share of the cost.

1537
02:04:36,400 --> 02:04:49,320
And then Mr. Sturgeon, maybe some else has to have the actual final plan as to what the fencing is going to look like, you know, the parking issues and all that brought back before you to look at this your park.

1538
02:04:50,040 --> 02:04:54,400
So unlike somebody else's development, you do get to participate in what it's going to look like.

1539
02:04:56,100 --> 02:04:59,680
So you could do that as a suggestion and just move forward with the contract away.

1540
02:04:59,920 --> 02:05:06,180
It is now and then bring back whatever the final plan is going to look like as soon as possible and take a good look at it.

1541
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:09,960
And then you can address some of these issues because I think you've batted around a lot of different things.

1542
02:05:10,740 --> 02:05:13,180
And you want to make a think staff really wants to make sure they get it right.

1543
02:05:13,180 --> 02:05:19,440
Well, I'd just like to, in my discussion with the city manager, he was certainly impressed

1544
02:05:19,440 --> 02:05:22,420
with the reports, the concerns that the residents and the community share.

1545
02:05:23,920 --> 02:05:28,660
And you know, his response was, we want to do whatever we can to make this work and make

1546
02:05:28,660 --> 02:05:33,140
it something that would be compatible with neighborhood and something that would ultimately

1547
02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:33,880
be an asset.

1548
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:40,480
So, I drove around as some of our other parks just to kind of get an idea of what was happening

1549
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:45,860
at our parks and it was really neat seeing the young moms there with their kids and grandparents

1550
02:05:45,860 --> 02:05:54,440
there with their grandbabies. And I just think this would ultimately be an asset to you guys that

1551
02:05:54,440 --> 02:06:02,220
you would ultimately enjoy because I know the parks that we've been providing this far, the upgrades

1552
02:06:02,920 --> 02:06:07,120
have really been nice improvements to the community and have been maintained well.

1553
02:06:07,120 --> 02:06:17,420
So, I think you have certainly a council and certainly a staff here that's willing to

1554
02:06:17,420 --> 02:06:20,040
work with you on these parking, because I'm concerned about the parking issues.

1555
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:24,960
I'd like to see a broad iron fencing, but those are other issues that I believe that you

1556
02:06:24,960 --> 02:06:26,260
guys would be more than happy to address.

1557
02:06:27,060 --> 02:06:27,860
Councilmember Asquith?

1558
02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:34,300
Can I just throw one more zinger in there, is there a way that staff, the university staff can

1559
02:06:34,300 --> 02:06:38,460
work with the Connellese to their tree line there, their family's been planting trees

1560
02:06:38,460 --> 02:06:39,940
there since he was born.

1561
02:06:40,260 --> 02:06:46,180
So they seem very, everybody seems very reasonable and they understand what are good trees and

1562
02:06:46,180 --> 02:06:46,600
bad trees.

1563
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,710
So that's the last singer.

1564
02:06:51,030 --> 02:06:51,590
All right.

1565
02:06:51,710 --> 02:06:54,470
Does anybody want to make a motion with a singer or a secret of that?

1566
02:06:54,670 --> 02:06:54,970
Or what?

1567
02:06:55,310 --> 02:06:56,110
Mayor, it's up to you.

1568
02:06:56,230 --> 02:06:57,110
Can I say one more thing?

1569
02:06:57,310 --> 02:06:57,770
Yes, ma'am.

1570
02:06:58,190 --> 02:07:00,030
I'll stand up in the address.

1571
02:07:00,090 --> 02:07:01,590
Please say true name and address again.

1572
02:07:01,910 --> 02:07:03,970
Karen Cooper, 924 for Virginia.

1573
02:07:03,970 --> 02:07:06,930
I think our biggest concern is the flooding.

1574
02:07:08,150 --> 02:07:14,650
We watch the water run down Virginia across 10th Street and swirl around our parking

1575
02:07:14,650 --> 02:07:15,110
lots.

1576
02:07:15,430 --> 02:07:16,870
We've had it in our front doors.

1577
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:18,710
We've had it in our back doors.

1578
02:07:19,610 --> 02:07:25,550
And we just feel that if you put more concrete or asphalt, that there's not going to be any

1579
02:07:25,550 --> 02:07:27,970
field over there for the water to soak through.

1580
02:07:27,970 --> 02:07:33,650
So, if you could also address the flooding issues and make sure that that is addressed

1581
02:07:33,650 --> 02:07:40,790
before you approve this, you know, you've got 20 units there and a lot of us have had

1582
02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:45,730
water and I think it's only going to get worse, so we'd really appreciate if you would

1583
02:07:45,730 --> 02:07:46,270
address that.

1584
02:07:47,050 --> 02:07:48,490
And that's where it needs to be addressed.

1585
02:07:48,550 --> 02:07:48,870
Thank you.

1586
02:07:49,570 --> 02:07:50,310
Thank you.

1587
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:54,040
One more time.

1588
02:07:57,890 --> 02:08:03,410
Kathleen Kurtz, 1010 Maryland, I do understand what she's saying about the flooding issue but

1589
02:08:03,410 --> 02:08:10,270
But if you go past there, live close there, you can see, as was noted, that their driveway

1590
02:08:10,270 --> 02:08:11,930
is most of the problem.

1591
02:08:12,390 --> 02:08:17,610
It goes, and that's where I understand there's water coming down that road, just like there

1592
02:08:17,610 --> 02:08:19,450
is down other roads.

1593
02:08:19,930 --> 02:08:26,750
But I want people to understand, I don't mind supplying government money for government

1594
02:08:26,750 --> 02:08:33,310
parks or improvements, but we're not going to improve private property, which wasn't

1595
02:08:33,310 --> 02:08:34,310
air on their part.

1596
02:08:34,530 --> 02:08:35,490
No, thank you, ma'am.

1597
02:08:37,150 --> 02:08:37,890
Councilman, I ask you.

1598
02:08:38,230 --> 02:08:42,910
Is that a question that I see an engineer can answer in some of the drainage that our

1599
02:08:42,910 --> 02:08:44,950
parks going to be put in?

1600
02:08:48,290 --> 02:08:49,530
It's put down the spot there, Richard.

1601
02:08:49,830 --> 02:08:50,590
It's not a problem.

1602
02:08:50,650 --> 02:08:51,370
We've looked at this.

1603
02:08:52,810 --> 02:08:55,790
The way that the park is designed, we've maximized the green space.

1604
02:08:55,790 --> 02:09:01,130
We've also accommodated for stormwater on the site so that all the impervious in the site

1605
02:09:01,130 --> 02:09:05,670
currently is going through a stormwater system, which then is being released, you know,

1606
02:09:05,670 --> 02:09:09,150
in a controlled manner into directly into the storm drain.

1607
02:09:11,250 --> 02:09:23,230
The development of a park at this location as it's designed will not have any increase to the storm water volume that is currently and historically experienced at this location.

1608
02:09:23,590 --> 02:09:35,650
It will not exacerbate or attenuate the flooding problem that they currently have and will continue have until they address their onsite problems and until the public drainage system can be evaluated.

1609
02:09:35,650 --> 02:09:38,630
determine its capacity and whether that's actually a problem or not.

1610
02:09:39,530 --> 02:09:40,170
Thank you.

1611
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:42,010
Thank you.

1612
02:09:43,860 --> 02:09:44,860
What's the pleasure of the council?

1613
02:09:45,680 --> 02:09:47,080
I'll make a motion to approve.

1614
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:53,720
contingent on the CDBG funds being available for this project.

1615
02:09:54,840 --> 02:09:55,800
We'll have a second.

1616
02:09:55,920 --> 02:09:56,340
We'll have a motion.

1617
02:09:57,840 --> 02:09:58,500
I'll second it.

1618
02:09:58,740 --> 02:09:58,860
The fund.

1619
02:09:59,620 --> 02:10:00,820
I have a second from council.

1620
02:10:01,020 --> 02:10:01,380
We're asking.

1621
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:07,790
We're done talking.

1622
02:10:08,070 --> 02:10:08,390
Thank you.

1623
02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:11,050
Madam Clerk.

1624
02:10:11,050 --> 02:10:11,090
Yes sir.

1625
02:10:12,090 --> 02:10:12,950
Deputy Mayor Muthini.

1626
02:10:13,310 --> 02:10:13,450
Aye.

1627
02:10:14,050 --> 02:10:14,710
Councilmember Cooper.

1628
02:10:15,830 --> 02:10:16,190
Aye.

1629
02:10:17,090 --> 02:10:18,010
Councilmember ask you.

1630
02:10:18,230 --> 02:10:18,370
Aye.

1631
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:19,750
Councilmember Trays.

1632
02:10:20,310 --> 02:10:20,490
Aye.

1633
02:10:20,830 --> 02:10:21,430
Mayor Blackwell.

1634
02:10:21,790 --> 02:10:21,970
Aye.

1635
02:10:22,510 --> 02:10:23,690
Motion carries 5-0.

1636
02:10:25,850 --> 02:10:26,550
And it's all carries.

1637
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:35,320
It brings us to the city attorney.

1638
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:36,400
Mr. Benzeros.

1639
02:10:36,420 --> 02:10:37,800
I do not have anything, Mr. Mayor.

1640
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:38,240
Thank you.

1641
02:10:42,180 --> 02:10:42,780
Mr. Sturdy.

1642
02:10:43,380 --> 02:10:44,040
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

1643
02:10:44,100 --> 02:10:47,100
I'd like to yield my time to the police chief for a very good news story.

1644
02:10:49,660 --> 02:10:51,200
It's kind of a shame everybody's leaving.

1645
02:10:51,200 --> 02:11:01,460
But I wanted to share with you a latest announcement and it's a tribute to the fine work that the men and women of the police department do for our community.

1646
02:11:02,420 --> 02:11:12,260
Each year, National Council of Home Safety and Security does a community safety evaluation of all cities in the United States.

1647
02:11:13,460 --> 02:11:16,200
134 cities in the state of Florida were evaluated.

1648
02:11:17,020 --> 02:11:30,400
Valuation basically looks at the city's for violent crime, non-violent crime, as well as the ratio of police officers and their adequacy to their population, meaning our efficiency essentially as a police agency.

1649
02:11:31,900 --> 02:11:38,700
And I'm proud to announce that I have 134 cities in the state of Florida, the city of St. Cloud was ranked the ninth,

1650
02:11:39,780 --> 02:11:44,380
safeest city in the state of Florida and the cities that were ahead of us were

1651
02:11:44,380 --> 02:11:50,080
substantially smaller and substantially a lot more well to do with a lot of

1652
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:54,480
gated guarded community. So number nine I have a hundred and thirty fours pretty

1653
02:11:54,480 --> 02:11:59,600
good business in my opinion and I just want to share that with you. And also the

1654
02:11:59,600 --> 02:12:03,920
national recognition you've got for your the drone program I keep hearing about

1655
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:08,040
that everywhere and it's pretty amazing. You'll see a lot more information coming

1656
02:12:08,040 --> 02:12:11,860
out because it is truly the wave of the future and we're doing some cutting-edge things

1657
02:12:11,860 --> 02:12:12,580
in that response.

1658
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,940
So, very proud of the men and women and the police department at this point.

1659
02:12:16,460 --> 02:12:19,600
And we thank you for the amazing job that you and the department does.

1660
02:12:19,820 --> 02:12:20,520
Thank you so much.

1661
02:12:20,880 --> 02:12:21,280
Thank you very much.

1662
02:12:28,560 --> 02:12:29,360
Council Member Muthini.

1663
02:12:30,160 --> 02:12:31,160
I don't have anything.

1664
02:12:32,580 --> 02:12:33,120
Council Member Cooper.

1665
02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:34,080
Thank you.

1666
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:44,200
Mr. Sturgeon, can you give me your opinion of the water services that maybe the last

1667
02:12:44,200 --> 02:12:57,360
the last staff when we had the last meeting for giving it to Tahoe, Water Authority, what

1668
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:57,880
your opinion?

1669
02:12:58,260 --> 02:13:03,880
Well, if you remember at the last council workshop, the council workshop was directed to conduct

1670
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:11,340
a feasibility study of merging with Tahoe, and that has not been done and based on that

1671
02:13:11,340 --> 02:13:15,060
I think we need to be very careful and think of it strategically because

1672
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:18,880
this would be one of the

1673
02:13:20,040 --> 02:13:24,240
money cash cows that we've got right now and if we start giving it away and

1674
02:13:24,760 --> 02:13:29,460
and do the same thing that we've done with OUC and we only get a 12%

1675
02:13:30,100 --> 02:13:35,800
revenue coming back, we're going to give a lot of money out that we don't have

1676
02:13:36,360 --> 02:13:40,380
that we enjoy all of these amenities that we've got now.

1677
02:13:41,020 --> 02:13:44,200
So if you want to give it up, that's what we're getting close to do.

1678
02:13:45,420 --> 02:13:49,940
What about the fire fees, police department, same thing?

1679
02:13:50,280 --> 02:13:51,860
Would you be in the same...

1680
02:13:51,860 --> 02:13:54,400
Well, again, I'm not going to speak on behalf of the police chief,

1681
02:13:54,580 --> 02:13:58,720
but I am considering myself an expert in emergency medical services and fire service.

1682
02:13:59,200 --> 02:14:02,500
And you know my background and my history here in the city of St. Clown,

1683
02:14:02,600 --> 02:14:03,860
what I've done with that fire department.

1684
02:14:04,400 --> 02:14:06,060
I think we have an outstanding fire department,

1685
02:14:06,200 --> 02:14:09,760
and I think we need to continue to maintain control of our own fire department.

1686
02:14:09,760 --> 02:14:16,900
And the last workshop when we were talking about it, there was the recommendation from

1687
02:14:17,700 --> 02:14:21,050
the many that was here.

1688
02:14:22,570 --> 02:14:27,730
Basically they were talking about a new tax bill, a tax fee.

1689
02:14:29,150 --> 02:14:34,930
They mentioned a tax fee or some portion of it, of a different way.

1690
02:14:34,930 --> 02:14:43,070
was in one of the last meetings that they were they were talking about it in it I'm sorry

1691
02:14:43,070 --> 02:14:47,830
sir I'm confused I don't have to get it was it this workshop we were talking about

1692
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:53,190
the workshop yes sir I don't recall anything about I missed a tax or a fee that was

1693
02:14:53,670 --> 02:14:54,190
Yes, sir.

1694
02:14:56,430 --> 02:14:57,340
Oh, sorry. I don't

1695
02:14:57,890 --> 02:14:59,770
remember. I don't have it. Yes, sir.

1696
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:11,000
Okay. But I just, I'm real scared of Larry when they have meetings and they bring things

1697
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:16,500
before us. And a lot of times they say, well, here's a recommendation, but we can, we

1698
02:15:16,500 --> 02:15:25,200
can do something different or viable. And when we give services away, we're going to

1699
02:15:25,200 --> 02:15:25,800
hurt ourselves.

1700
02:15:28,020 --> 02:15:32,740
Thank you, sir. Councilman, we're asking you. I got nothing. Councilman

1701
02:15:32,740 --> 02:15:38,720
retrace. I just want to thank the police department for the work that you do, especially

1702
02:15:38,720 --> 02:15:43,980
just kind of a trying week for them with everything going on and they really deserve the new

1703
02:15:43,980 --> 02:15:48,900
FOP agreement that we just enacted and I don't really talk about it on the record but it's

1704
02:15:48,900 --> 02:15:55,600
Pretty good, and then also do we have a timeline of when agendas will show back up online?

1705
02:15:56,220 --> 02:16:01,220
Because I thought with the new agenda software it would meet the ADA requirements pretty

1706
02:16:01,220 --> 02:16:01,740
soon.

1707
02:16:02,660 --> 02:16:03,420
Mr. Moonser.

1708
02:16:04,100 --> 02:16:10,460
Well, the issue for websites does not necessarily have to do with the agenda shell, we refer

1709
02:16:10,460 --> 02:16:11,520
to it as the shell itself.

1710
02:16:11,740 --> 02:16:17,420
It has to do with the packet and the full packet and the ability to have those documents

1711
02:16:17,420 --> 02:16:25,380
that you see as part of your packet able to be read or understood by basically limited

1712
02:16:25,380 --> 02:16:30,540
site individuals on the website. So that's the big issue and as you know these documents,

1713
02:16:30,720 --> 02:16:36,280
some of these documents have diagrams and pictures and all that and that's the struggle with

1714
02:16:36,280 --> 02:16:44,520
the thing. So the shell itself of the agenda is not an issue for putting it on it's the attachments

1715
02:16:44,520 --> 02:16:48,800
or the packet information that we're working to deal with.

1716
02:16:49,980 --> 02:16:51,980
Is that on the website, though?

1717
02:16:52,420 --> 02:16:53,440
I'm not seeing it on the website.

1718
02:16:53,560 --> 02:16:54,760
Is the actual shell on there?

1719
02:16:54,820 --> 02:16:55,500
I can make a comment.

1720
02:16:56,280 --> 02:16:59,860
We're working on getting the right Adobe software

1721
02:17:00,360 --> 02:17:03,980
that can make that readable for the limited site.

1722
02:17:04,100 --> 02:17:05,620
We haven't got that yet, but we're working.

1723
02:17:05,780 --> 02:17:07,260
Okay, because I thought the shell itself?

1724
02:17:07,640 --> 02:17:08,600
No, we can't do that either.

1725
02:17:08,940 --> 02:17:10,840
And if I could Mayor?

1726
02:17:11,780 --> 02:17:11,980
Yes.

1727
02:17:11,980 --> 02:17:23,140
The other thing Mr. Traces, we are met with several software vendors to try to figure out how we get those attachments put in those formats, because again, it's supposed to be accessible to every type of person in this disabled.

1728
02:17:25,510 --> 02:17:26,710
Do we have a timeline?

1729
02:17:26,990 --> 02:17:28,070
No, I don't.

1730
02:17:28,610 --> 02:17:31,570
It's the shell, we can get the OW Pro.

1731
02:17:33,230 --> 02:17:35,710
Yeah, we're working on getting that, that W Pro.

1732
02:17:35,710 --> 02:17:41,630
So I also wanted to comment that we have anyone that has the need, we can put them on

1733
02:17:41,630 --> 02:17:45,670
our distribution list, or we can send them the link and they can pull that up.

1734
02:17:45,870 --> 02:17:48,330
So anybody does want to get the agenda?

1735
02:17:48,730 --> 02:17:51,310
Just give us a call and we'll put them on our distribution list.

1736
02:17:51,970 --> 02:17:56,850
And so what they'll essentially get is a specially dedicated link that they can access all the

1737
02:17:56,850 --> 02:17:57,350
information.

1738
02:17:57,530 --> 02:17:58,330
Just like the link we get.

1739
02:17:58,590 --> 02:17:59,430
Yes, just like you guys.

1740
02:17:59,710 --> 02:18:02,530
So which complies with the ADA requirements.

1741
02:18:02,530 --> 02:18:04,250
I just want to make sure we're working.

1742
02:18:04,570 --> 02:18:05,290
Yes, we had.

1743
02:18:05,650 --> 02:18:07,210
I was excited when the new website was excited.

1744
02:18:07,470 --> 02:18:10,010
I don't have any time line and then it doesn't come through.

1745
02:18:10,410 --> 02:18:10,550
Okay.

1746
02:18:10,670 --> 02:18:12,090
We're diligently working on that.

1747
02:18:12,210 --> 02:18:13,670
It's a very complex issue.

1748
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:15,630
Thank you.

1749
02:18:18,220 --> 02:18:20,860
I have a couple of thank you letters.

1750
02:18:21,960 --> 02:18:25,140
First of all, the community for coordinated care for children

1751
02:18:25,940 --> 02:18:29,400
is expressing their appreciation for a grant

1752
02:18:29,400 --> 02:18:41,960
that the city gave them for $1,668.81 and they expressed their appreciation for that support.

1753
02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:48,820
And it says, parents who's children are receiving stable, affordable care are better able to work towards self-sufficiency.

1754
02:18:49,780 --> 02:18:55,160
And you're on going to support of the city's family plays an important role as we continue caring for our future today.

1755
02:18:55,160 --> 02:19:19,460
Okay, also received two letters from the Education Foundation also thanking the city for two different grants that supported what they were doing to help make a difference in the future education of the next generation and just wanted to share that they did share their appreciation.

1756
02:19:20,780 --> 02:19:28,140
with that, I don't have anything else. Item number 13 is our information section and report section.

1757
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:37,400
Thursday September the 9th, 2019, the community redevelopment agency meeting will be at 6 p.m. here in City Hall Council Chambers.

1758
02:19:38,160 --> 02:19:46,760
Saturday, February the 9th, there will be a City Council workshop at 9 a.m. at City Hall here also in Council Chambers.

1759
02:19:46,760 --> 02:19:54,500
Thursday, February 14th, there will be our next City Council meeting at 6.30 p.m. also here at the Chamber.

1760
02:19:55,680 --> 02:20:06,460
Thursday, February 21st, 2019, there will be a City Council workshop at 6 p.m. at City Hall Council Chambers.

1761
02:20:06,460 --> 02:20:13,520
I would like to remind all of the council that there is a warrant list number five report

1762
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:16,040
that is available for your review.

1763
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:21,880
If there are no objections or an agreement, we'll call this meeting to an end.