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I'm in place for the city of Saint Helena planning commission regular meeting, Tuesday July 21, 26. I'm calling the meeting to order.

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Commissioner Ferdek, would you like to,

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you'd have some much of allegiance?

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Sure.

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I did the last time.

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I play a lot of allegiance.

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I play allegiance to slide.

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I play allegiance to America.

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I need to do it with our public for which this is a one nation.

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If it is a little, whatever you do, it's just a small one.

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Thank you.

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How would you like to call the roll, please?

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Commissioner Covell.

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Here.

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Commissioner Lopez.

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Here.

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Nice chair for it.

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Yeah.

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Chair Warner.

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Here.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And through the chair, Lee's a McIll director of community development.

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I did want to just let the commission know that Commissioner Anderson did formally resign from the planning commission due to personal reasons.

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So, with that being said, we will miss her, she has done a wonderful job, my understanding

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over several years here at the city, and we do have an opening for the Planning Commission.

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So, I'll mention that again during my report, but I did want to let the Commission and the

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public know that's why Ms. Anderson isn't here.

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Thank you.

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And I think some of us would like to probably have some kind of tribute and gift for Commissioner

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Anderson.

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And we can discuss that later in another forum.

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Thank you very much for the announcement.

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OK, this is a time and place for the public forum.

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This is an opportunity for the public to address the commission

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on items of interest to the public that are not listed on the agenda

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because of restrictions imposed by the Brown Act.

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The commission may not engage in discussion or take action

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on matters not described on the agenda.

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If there is anyone who does have any public forum comments,

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please limit your time limit to four minutes.

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Does anyone have any public forum comments seeing none?

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We can go on to the approval of the minutes.

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Have you all reviewed the minutes and have any changes or any amendments?

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Given that I was absent for that meeting, I won't be by refusing myself on that, but I

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would entertain a motion for approval the minutes.

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But really quick, Chair, if you read the minutes, you are able to vote on that.

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Okay, thank you.

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Yeah.

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But then we approve the minutes as written.

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Do we have a second?

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Second.

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Please call the roll.

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Commissioner Cabal?

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Yes.

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Commissioner Lopez?

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Ferdick?

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Yes.

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Chair Warner?

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Yes.

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The motion passes unanimously.

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Thank you.

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And we'll go on to our public hearings on agenda item 5.1.

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Before we consider the item, I do want to just disclose that I have a personal

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friendship with the applicant, I have known her for many years, I've not been involved

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or spoken with her or had any contact with her regarding the application and I feel that

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I can be objective and not personally involved in reviewing the application on behalf of

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the commission.

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So that's my announcement.

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So, we go on to a staff person.

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I will add that I am also personal friends with the applicant and we did have some discussions

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when she was considering putting in an application more informational, who should she talk

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to, did inquire about part of the code and I directed her to Jackie Annadly.

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Very good.

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Any other announcements by Commissioner Sugarding this item?

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If not, we can move on to the staff presentation.

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Thank you chair Warner, Lisa McCyle, Director of Community Development.

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We have with us tonight assistant planner, Natalie Brissie, who will provide a presentation

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and overview and she'll be available for any questions of the commission.

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Good evening commissioners.

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As Dr. McCyle said, tonight before you we have a new short-term room tool permit application.

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The address that this is located at is 1248 Stockton Street.

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The residents is an existing two-bedroom one-and-a-half bathroom.

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However, the applicant is desiring to rent the property as a one-bedroom one-and-a-half

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bathroom with an office.

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So anything with our code determining the maximum occupancy, we limited it to the one-bedroom

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instead of the two bedrooms.

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Additionally, the property has one on-site parking space at this time and if approved, the applicant is proposing to remove and existing shed that's on-site at the beginning at the front of the property.

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As you can see up on the screen, there's a picture of the frontage.

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It's over on the left-hand side of the image.

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It's kind of behind those little shrubs, you can see right here, but she's proposing to remove that to create the additional required parking space.

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As for the project location, it is located as I said on Stockton Street.

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It's zoned medium density residential, and it also has a general plan designation of medium density residential.

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And as I said, the properties being proposed as a one bedroom, one and a half bathroom with an office with only one parking space at this time.

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This is the site plan. As you can see over in the lower left corner of the plan, there is the existing parking space annotated in yellow.

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The proposed, where the, and that's where the parked car is in the image, the proposed parking space you can see is showing on the screen in a hatch and orange.

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That is where the shed is located. Other than that there would be no alterations to the site if proposed.

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Here's the existing floor plan.

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The front right room is the office with a day bed that will not be used to rent out with the short-term rental, but the back bedroom on the right-hand side will be.

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Staff evaluated the project against each of the required findings and determined that the project needs all findings for approval.

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The with the exception that the current parking situation be amended if approval to provide the two onsite parking spaces.

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In addition, staff finds that the project complies with all other aspects of the municipal code is consistent with the general plan.

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It's compatible with the surrounding neighborhood and meets all required findings.

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Staff further recommends approving the short-term rental at 1248 stocked industry, including action to approve a categorical exemption

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to the state-sequite guidelines based on findings and subject to the conditions of approval and staff is available for any questions and the applicant is here as well.

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Through the chair I'll just supplement for the commission a little bit more.

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The conditions of approval that have been presented to the commission are the standard conditions that are imposed upon all of the short-term rental permits as of present.

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Um, these could change later when we go through our ordinance amendments, you know, which

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is not agenda this evening, but we are in discussions about how these are operated, moving

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into the future.

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But this is under our current ordinance and set of standard conditions.

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It's at the pleasure of the commission if it's, if it's so chooses to amend any of them

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now as well.

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Okay, let's, before we have any public comment, um, I'll open it up for any clarifying questions

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from commissioners.

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I will have one, but I'll defer to my fellow commissioners first.

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So, as far as the parking, my understanding is that when it's rented, why would we need,

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I mean, why would you need to add an extra parking, is it because of using the office end?

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Sorry, so with the, so in the conditions of approval, the maximum occupancy allowed based off of the one bedroom rentals space,

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would be for persons. And in that regard, that could be possibly two groups with each

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of car. It could be if it's only two occupants, each person could have a car, but the

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requirement and the code is that they do provide two onsite parking spaces regardless of

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the bedroom count. And so that's why the one space is being added to the property.

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Other clarifying questions?

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I'll just ask one, I think it's in the conditions, but the applicant has 60 days to put in that second parking spot from the approval of the application is that correct?

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Yes, I believe so, from approval.

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I had one clarifying question just as to the process.

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So, are there any other pending short-term rental applications that have preceded this application

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and being complete in time.

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No, so with our wait list we only reach out to the amount of spots that we have and we give them a certain window to apply.

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So we have one other that's in process that we're that's being reviewed but other than that, no.

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So we generally process these first in time when they're complete is that correct?

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Okay.

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Right now, we're operating under the cap of 25 short-term rentals, so this is the 24th.

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There's one more in line.

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Yeah, very good. Thank you. Any other clarifying questions before you open it up for a comment?

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In regards to your comment, Dr. Ramisa, when the new SDR ordinance goes into effect, will that be retroactive?

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or do people or people grandfathered into this or how does that work?

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Potentially, they might be affected that's something that we will consider and will be

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before the city council. A lot of the review of the short-term rental ordinance and process will

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be evaluating all of our existing short-term rental permits as well in compliance with codes.

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But we're not speaking to that today, but we would be looking at all of the existing short-term

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as part of the short-term rental update.

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Let me just follow up that question.

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Is it your position that the city has the ability

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to retroactively change vested rights in a permit?

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So these have compliance requirements.

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All of these permits have requirements to comply

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with all their conditions of approval

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and with the existing ordinance.

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So I'm not taking any position as of right now,

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But we will be looking at this question through the process of our ordinance update.

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Okay, I think it's good to kind of assess that because a lot of our applicants rely on the vested rights that are given to them when they have approved permits.

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Any other public comments or questions before we open it up?

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Any other commissioner comments or questions before you open it up for any public comment?

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Chair Warner, I would only add to your comment that

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I think it would be reasonable for any permit holder to follow any of the conditions and obligations

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and if they're amended, and we're not talking about that right now, but then everyone would

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need to be in compliance at the same level.

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Again, my question is just solely the legal question about vested rights and whether that

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should or should not be.

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Speaking under the existing ordinance today, there's a renewal requirement.

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So you're not guaranteed every year that your permit is re-granted.

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So there is opportunity, this particular application that's before the planning commission

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this evening, and they're upon their renewal period, they'll need to illustrate that they're

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complying.

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That's a very good point.

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Thank you, Director.

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Any other commissioner comments, if not, I'll open up for public comment, including any comments by the applicant,

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if you would like to state your name for the record.

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Elaine Honig, so I'm applying for the short term rental permit.

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It's essentially a one bedroom house with an office, so my hope is to only run it to couples,

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you know, or single people and not have a lot of people in it.

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And again, I have a shed and some roses on the left, which I'll rip out.

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I wanted to wait and do that until I knew I would get the permit because I thought,

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if I don't get the permit, there's no point in ripping it out.

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However, if anybody were ever to change that, I think the house looks better with the

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roses in the one parking space is opposed to the two,

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but it's an aesthetic choice, and I'm happy to comply with code.

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And I think that's about it.

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I live there, so my hope is to rent it while I live there,

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and then do eventually at some point, I don't know if I'll stop living there,

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and rent it more.

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So I'm going to kind of feel it out.

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So that's my plan.

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Yeah, thank you, Ms. Hullick.

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If no other public comments, let's bring it back

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to for consideration by the commission. Any further discussion by the commission or by staff?

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Through the chair just to check that there's no public comments through the public hearing.

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Don't think that's there. There are no written public comments. And to just clarify that appropriate

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notice I was verified have been provided to neighbors correct. That's correct.

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Okay. Any further discussion? If not, I'll go ahead. I also like, well,

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aesthetically, and I don't know the code-wise, aesthetically, I like the balance of the look of it.

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You know, the lot and the green is kind of shame that we have to throw another parking space,

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I think that when you think about the parking, it's usually more congested areas that are bigger that need it, but no.

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Yeah, it's kind of a shame.

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But I guess if...

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That's kind of what the rules are. Other comments or discussion? If not, I'll entertain a motion on this application.

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I'll make a motion to approve the application for the short-term rental permit. That's before us.

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I second. Any further discussion? If not, please call the roll.

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Commissioner Colwell, yes, Commissioner Lopez?

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Yes.

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Vice Chair Ferdick?

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Yes.

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Chair Warner?

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Yes.

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The motion passes unanimously.

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Thank you very much.

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Congratulations on the 24th permit.

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And thank you staff for good work on this.

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Okay.

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We'll move on to the next item, which I understand is informational.

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only is it, and a presentation regarding the Napa County hazard mitigation plan. Any

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introduction director for that? Yes. So, Lisa McIll Director, community

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development. We have with us this evening as a courtesy, Brianna Jones, and she's

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going to conduct a presentation for you all on the county's multijuristic

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has her mitigation plan. I will just preface before she begins noting that I have left the commission

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know I would be bringing some informational items throughout the year. Their educational information

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or they're not for deliberation or really discussion for the commission to provide

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direction or anything but it's to gain perspective and understanding of what we have going on

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regionally in our valley here.

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We also have with us Chief Sorenson from the Fire Department and interim Chief Tharp from the

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Police Department as well.

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If there's some more local questions that you all have, they'd be happy to answer some of those

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as well.

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We're not deliberating over previous projects or conditions of approval.

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This is again just informational and we're really excited to have Brianna join us here.

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And may I ask one clarifying question?

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Am I correct?

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And maybe she'll deal with this, is that this particular version of the house mitigation plan will at some point go before the city council correct?

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For the St. Alina portion?

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I'm not sure if it does, but yes.

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She can address that.

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To your point about deliberation, it's not like this is going to not be deliberated on by the city in some form.

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I understand each jurisdiction that participates in the multi-jouristictional planning of this and comes back when there's a final graph and a

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Dopcyt or doesn't adopt it

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That's correct

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I'm going to go quick so just before before we begin so we have again Brianna Jones here. She's joining us as a courtesy really excited to have her here

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this is the first informational session that we're having here with the planning commission and

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we'll welcome her, so hand it over to her. Welcome. I have one quick question, who is our representative from

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Sainhalina?

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On this. So there's a few different people. Originally it was your city manager. I don't know how that's

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change, there has been some change within your city management, however, both the fire chief

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and the police chief attend, and I think in terms of police chief, that's how your title

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goes.

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We've got an opportunity to attend one of the last meetings, but I believe prior to that,

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the police chief attended all the meetings and the fire chief as well.

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And I believe just an answer to Commissioner's question, the actual draft MHP includes for each locality, a list of those participants for each locality that are participated in the overall planning, because it's been a multi-year planning process.

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And I believe, Director, you're part of the most recent group of staff also.

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Yes, I have helped my eyes on it most recently. Again, I wasn't part of the city or the community earlier in the process.

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But I have looked at it. This is a standard process. It's also required under state law.

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Brianna will go over some of that for the commission. This is a regional view.

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It's not a localized detailed view. So I do think that that's important to keep in perspective as we hear from Brianna for this presentation.

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Yeah, very good. Welcome.

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Thank you so much. Again, Brianna Jones. I'm an emergency services officer for the NAP Accounting Office of Emergency Services.

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I know that's a lot, but we've shortened it by saying OES.

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I'm involved in a lot of different things, but hazard mitigation is one of the bigger projects.

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Hazard mitigation is really important because it drives a lot of our other plans.

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has her mitigation in general, though, is an all-encompassing plan.

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So when we look at it, we look at the plan today.

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It doesn't get into a lot of the specific.

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It talks about mitigation actions.

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And it talks about some of the hazards that the county has a hole.

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And I know that you had mentioned regional.

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It's more of the county where the county has developed some of the hazards that we believe

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are the biggest concern.

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But then each city kind of had an opportunity to talk about the hazard, because what Calistoga or San

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Lina might be Ms. A hazard may not be something that American can and is worried about.

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So one of the things that I think is important to know is this plan is very different.

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Plans are updated every five years. That's a requirement of FEMA to be updated every five years for grant opportunities.

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that's the only basis is that it has to be done every five years, it does not necessarily mean

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that if we did not invest in doing it every five years, the plan wouldn't be relevant.

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It's just for the funding opportunity. It has to be updated every five years. To do that update,

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it does take a lot of planning efforts. It takes a lot of time. And then once that process kind of goes

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So we're going to talk about it later in the presentation.

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That's when each jurisdiction will get the opportunity.

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The county will go first.

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I'll ask our Board of Supervisors to adopt the plan

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and then each jurisdiction and special districts

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will adopt the plan.

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So yes, this will have to go be for your city again.

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So the reason this plan is different is most counties,

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most cities do what is called a local hazard mitigation plan.

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So if you see L, H, M, P, that is essentially the same thing

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but they're doing at a local level

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for whatever that may be county or city.

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We decided to do a multi-gerest external hazard mitigation plan

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and we did that back in 2020.

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The reason this one is different is we've included

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a little bit more engagement.

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We had more stakeholders and it was more

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of an all-in-cup-it-seen planning effort.

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And I think that's really important

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because part of my job is to go after grant opportunities.

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I went after a grant opportunity.

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These are very costly plans

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because of the analysis that is done.

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Some special districts and some jurisdictions do not have the opportunity to have plans,

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so therefore they can't go after a fund grant or funding opportunities, because they don't have a current plan,

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or sometimes ever a plan.

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And that was important for me that we included some of those special districts, so they had that opportunity,

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which is why we chose to do a multi-judicial.

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In 2005, the city of Napa had also decided to go after their own plan because they needed to do a flood project, which we know now is the Oxbow.

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So the city of Napa for since 2005 has never been included on our plan.

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This time they are included on our plan, which is beneficial since most of the hazards for our tourism.

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Most of the population is within the city of Napa.

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that was very important that they were on our plan.

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So we have all five jurisdictions and there's a size that shows you everybody that's participating.

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The challenge to doing a plan that way though is now everybody is relying on each jurisdiction

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and special district to involve themselves in the planning process to review the plan, to

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provide comment, to attend their own meetings.

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That has held up our plan quite a bit.

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I think the benefits outweigh the challenges,

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but that is a challenge of a multi-juris-stictional plan

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to be quite frank.

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I'm sorry.

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There you go.

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Okay, so some of the goals of a multi-juris-stictional hazard mitigation plan

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is to protect people from loss of life,

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and drain economic damage from hazards.

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That is obviously the biggest priority

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in which I said, like I said, it drives a lot of different plans.

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I know that it's very popular to discuss evacuation planning.

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A goal of hazard, a multi-judicial hazard mitigation plan is to get to that approach,

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what are hazard, how do we mitigate those?

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Another goal is to protect critical facilities infrastructure property in the continuity of essential services.

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Again, each special district, each jurisdiction, had the opportunity to discuss their critical infrastructure.

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That's why special districts I believe are so important to hazard mitigation planning.

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Because special districts, for example, Napasan, they had never had a plan and now they're part of our hazard mitigation plan.

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They're a big special district that is now included and they have a lot of critical infrastructure.

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Preserve natural resources.

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That's another big part of it.

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That's one of the things that is discusses if we have hazards like wildfire.

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what natural resources are we taking away from?

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How can that be mitigated?

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Those discussions happen.

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And then promote community resilience

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through planning policies, like I said,

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a lot of these lead to a lot of other plans,

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a lot of procedures, and a lot of policy changes.

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But it also leads to, like I said, capital improvements.

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When we look at general fund,

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when we look at funding opportunities,

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when we look at grants,

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that's where we want to spend our money

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mitigation actions that have plans like this or analysis done to back that up.

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So because FEMA requires the plan for grant and funding, we are held to the FEMA standard

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for planning efforts.

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That's why I put the slide on here.

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There's a lot of different steps.

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So what the community of City have seen, I think a lot of people here participated in was

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that public review period.

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That public review is important as I think it is for the public to be part of that plan.

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It is also required by FEMA, as well as an admin draft.

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So not only did we go into a lot of different planning meetings on jurisdiction special districts,

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then we went into analysis, then we went into more planning meetings, then we went into mitigation efforts.

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We also went into an admin draft for each special district jurisdiction, then the county draft and then we went to public review.

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So we are now at that final public review step just concluded and now we're with CaloES for approval and then hopefully FEMA.

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Next slide please.

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So a few changes from 2020 to 2026, I know that that's probably hard to read, but we focused on a lot of priority hazards.

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So hazard mitigation plan in general does not focus on human caused hazards.

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That's something that I think a lot of people want to see because it is a concern, especially

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with cyber security.

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Those are addressed in other plans, so we try to keep them away from our hazard mitigation

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plan, just because it is really hard since it is a public document to include a lot

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about that, acts of tear, for example, that belongs in other plans, not necessarily hazard mitigation

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plans.

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because as much as we try to mitigate those, sometimes those can't be mitigated as much as

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you can, natural hazards.

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And another big change was the pandemic. So the pandemic was in

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there. Ironically, this plan, most of the planning efforts from 2020 were done in 2019. Prior to

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the COVID pandemic, but they still identified a pandemic as a hazard. We have now taken that out.

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I think a lot of people from 2022-2026 just felt that it wasn't necessary in a hazard mitigation

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plan.

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We learned a lot from COVID and those are addressed in other plans.

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Extreme weather was another big change, so we had extreme weather already in our 2020 plan.

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We have now included extreme heat as a separate component, just because there's so much

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comes to extreme heat and so therefore we just made a separate component to discuss separately

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and mitigation actions to that. And then of course like I said before the enhanced partnerships,

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we've now included more special districts and additional jurisdictions.

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And then FEMA had some changes. The climate change is the biggest one. We needed to include that

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and guidelines about climate change, it is a difficult subject, and there's not as much research on the mitigation actions, but however it was included in this plan, verse the 2020.

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Next slide, please.

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Okay, so in 2020, nine jurisdictions were involved in the plan was adopted June 9 of 2020, and in 2025 we identified 13 jurisdictions.

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So we have more special districts than added the city of Napa.

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The two bigger changes is like I said city of Napa, Napa San, and VTA who had a regional approach with other transit authorities are now part of our plan.

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So they can go after grant opportunity separately.

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And then American Canyon fire district because it is a district.

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They were included as part of the city of American Canyon.

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but because they are also deemed

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a special district now they can go after

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their own funding opportunities.

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Next slide, please.

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Okay, so it's hard to see,

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but these are the hazards that were identified.

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Bye.

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By the steering committee in 2020, like I said, a lot of that, the work and analysis was done in 2019, prior to the LNU lightning or glass fire, because like I said, it was adopted in June 9, I think of 2020.

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So, at that time, wildfire was identified as a county-wide hazard, but it was not necessarily at the top of the list, even considering we had the 2017 fires.

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people are still really concerned with climate change,

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damn failure and drought.

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And as you can see, just, I guess, to me a fun little tidbit,

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but we had 28 federal disasters since 1953 at that time.

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We've now obviously increased that quite a bit.

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Next slide, please.

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Oh, sorry.

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There's some stuff cut off at the bottom,

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but 2025, our hazard concerns didn't differ too much,

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other than what I've mentioned, climate change is on there as well.

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We have more information because even though we discussed it in 2020, there is a little

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bit more information and now it is actually a requirement of FEMA.

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Extreme heat was identified and wildfire, of course, but we took pandemic out of there.

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And each jurisdiction because they had separate planning meetings were able to identify different

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as are profiles, concerns, and mitigation efforts based off

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with the city felt.

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So even though the county has developed some,

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not every city has those same concerns,

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has the same mitigation efforts or the same profile.

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Another thing I just wanted to discuss here is,

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we broke it down and kind of talked about

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some of the concerns with like wildfire exposure.

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17,000 people are in the high and very high severity zones.

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I know wildfire is one of our biggest concerns, and that's something that is talked about a lot.

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I'm asked to do a lot of presentations on wildfire concern.

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I'm also concerned about it, and I think it's very important to discuss, but I just wanted

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to highlight that that is, again, why has remediation planning is so important, because

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you know, flood exposure based off the 100 year and 500 year FEMA flood zones, 20,000 people

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are affected by that.

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earthquake exposure. You have, you know, 120,000 people affected if that West Napa fault.

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We're to have a concern so that's why even though I think it is something,

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it's all kind of a lived experience for us when it comes to wildfire. A lot of us were here in

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2017, 2020. I certainly was. I know that it's a cause for concern but that's why hazard mitigation

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in planning is all encompassing.

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We have some other hazards to be concerned about.

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And then, I think I can go to the next slide.

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So the next steps from here, like I had mentioned before,

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the next step is really just getting that CalloES

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in FEMA approval and then going for adoption.

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Once I go to the county and I ask my Board of Supervisors

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to adopt the plan, that five years starts then.

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So when I say, hey, I want that plan to be adopted

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and they say it's June 9th 2020. You guys might do it on June 17th. You're still following

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June 9th. Is that five year mark? So just so everybody knows it doesn't matter if you say,

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hey, we're going to wait three months to take it to our council. You're still following this

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when the first jurisdiction adopted. Typically, it's the county. It doesn't necessarily have to be.

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So if city of Sanileena says, hey, we're ready to go and we would like to adopt the plan.

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just know that everybody's held to that date for a first adoption.

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And I think just to take it a step further,

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it's not just that we're looking for the FEMA Calloyas approval

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and then for obviously individual jurisdictions, special districts in the county's adoption.

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We're also looking now to take that further and take these hazards

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and then develop our own planning.

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Some of the plans that I'm in charge of for the county wide approach

455
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,800
is the emergency operations plan for the county,

456
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:15,080
the continuity of operations plan for the county,

457
00:34:15,420 --> 00:34:17,860
tactical, interoperable communications plan.

458
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,060
These are a lot of the plans that drive this

459
00:34:20,060 --> 00:34:21,620
based off the hazard we have.

460
00:34:22,060 --> 00:34:24,560
So this plan is really a benchmark and a foundation

461
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,520
for a lot of other planning efforts.

462
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,980
And then last slide is just the Q&A.

463
00:34:31,380 --> 00:34:34,600
I'm available for questions regarding this.

464
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,560
Let's open up for questions.

465
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:37,400
I'll have a couple of questions.

466
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,380
But first, let me defer to my fellow commissioners

467
00:34:39,380 --> 00:34:41,760
if you have any questions or comments or a director.

468
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,220
Through the chair, just a reminder that we also have

469
00:34:44,220 --> 00:34:47,680
with us Chief Swordson and Chief Thub,

470
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,780
if there are local questions that maybe aren't about the multi-

471
00:34:51,780 --> 00:34:53,940
jurisdictional hazard mitigation plan.

472
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,140
And also, to be perfectly honest,

473
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,440
I didn't get an opportunity to attend every meeting

474
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,040
for every jurisdiction and every special district.

475
00:35:01,060 --> 00:35:02,160
I'm only one person.

476
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,400
So they might have some additional information specific

477
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:11,260
to the city of St. Alina on how they develop their hazard profiles, how they develop mitigation

478
00:35:11,260 --> 00:35:17,500
actions that take the stuff. And just to clarify the the the the information item is the

479
00:35:17,500 --> 00:35:23,860
multi-hazard mitigation plan not other plans. That's correct. I think that generally though this

480
00:35:23,860 --> 00:35:31,020
can be confusing. So just in case there are members of our staff here who can assist.

481
00:35:31,020 --> 00:35:38,280
All right. Okay. Questions or comments from fellow questioners? Anything? Go ahead.

482
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:44,640
Commissioner Covell. So I'm just having a little hard time because I was

483
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,660
under the impression where it's not really supposed to have a discussion.

484
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,260
So I wasn't sure. General questions. I think are fine. Okay. We're not

485
00:35:52,260 --> 00:35:57,020
deliberating. We're not saying, you know, saying, yeah, or need to it. I think what

486
00:35:57,020 --> 00:36:01,440
What you were mentioning is we had an opportunity during public comment to

487
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,340
Deliberate on the plan, but yes, I'm happy to take questions regarding the plan

488
00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:11,760
What it drives obviously that that's up to Liza, but how it drives are other plans?

489
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Happy to discuss that

490
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,880
Okay, I bring in her. I think I've sent you a lot of public comments

491
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,040
So

492
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:26,980
So one of the general questions I have, I have a couple of general questions and I won't

493
00:36:26,980 --> 00:36:29,860
go into the detail that I have already done.

494
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,780
In the, you said, Cal OES and FEMA, I need to prove it.

495
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:44,260
You also mentioned that the public comments in general, it was open, Naples Countywide,

496
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:45,840
general public comments.

497
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:55,960
I assume there's some process to handling all those public comments and how do those comments

498
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,460
then how are they addressed in the plan?

499
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:02,020
That was question one.

500
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:08,980
And then who specifically in our jurisdiction, local jurisdiction, reviews the section

501
00:37:08,980 --> 00:37:19,520
on St. Alina specifically and what timing is that, what's the timing of that to provide

502
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,960
comments before it goes for approval?

503
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:30,620
So, the administrative draft was the time period for the planning committee from City of

504
00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:37,480
St. Alina to provide comment. That draft went out prior to public comment. I don't have

505
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,820
that in front of me, so I'm not sure how many people from the City of Saint

506
00:37:40,820 --> 00:37:43,720
Alina might have provided comment at that time.

507
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,420
Then it went to public comment.

508
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:53,240
We take those public comments between me and the consultant and we review the comments

509
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:54,820
and then make changes.

510
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:02,500
If there's a relevant change to the plan, because obviously, you know, the public can say

511
00:38:02,500 --> 00:38:07,460
whatever they would like, doesn't mean that it's going to require a change to the

512
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:21,360
So we get a lot of, we do get a lot of those comments and then we get a lot of comments that, you know, specifically to some, like some of the comments that you sent me, some are very specific to evacuation planning.

513
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,800
This is not an evacuation document, so they may, you may not see them represented.

514
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:32,880
And, however, that would be an opportunity for you guys to look in the city of San

515
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Elena.

516
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:38,340
If you want to take the hazard of wildfire and the mitigation actions and then develop

517
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:40,160
another plant specific to it.

518
00:38:40,340 --> 00:38:46,860
Or update if you guys have evacuation plans, I'm not sure if you have a separate evacuation

519
00:38:46,860 --> 00:38:49,280
plan, but they might be able to answer that.

520
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:53,960
Sorry.

521
00:38:54,220 --> 00:38:55,080
Oh, let's...

522
00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:57,180
Thanks.

523
00:38:57,380 --> 00:38:57,940
Anybody else?

524
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,480
I had a couple of clarifying questions.

525
00:39:00,540 --> 00:39:00,900
I think.

526
00:39:00,980 --> 00:39:01,320
Go ahead.

527
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:08,720
I believe this is almost a 1,500-page document, so very impressive, and I'm sure there's

528
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:18,000
amazing great data throughout it, but if you were to point to areas that were more specific

529
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,880
to our jurisdiction, where would we look in this 1,500-page document?

530
00:39:23,260 --> 00:39:31,300
So you want to look at volume 2. Volume 1 is the county. So right now, like I said, it

531
00:39:31,300 --> 00:39:38,020
out for public comment. It's with Kelli West and FEMA right now. But when we publish that document

532
00:39:38,020 --> 00:39:44,460
and it is a big document we do put it online but it is difficult to send people because even

533
00:39:44,460 --> 00:39:50,840
by email I have there's you know IDS stuff it's too big of a file so we can get those so there you

534
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:56,020
guys can have them right at the city so it's available to the public you guys can print copies

535
00:39:56,020 --> 00:40:00,800
we always say whatever the jurisdiction would like to do and how they would like to address that

536
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:07,260
public but I just put it online a lot of times I put the executive summary and I typically

537
00:40:07,260 --> 00:40:13,060
don't publish volume two unless a lot of people want me to publish volume two online.

538
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,820
Volume two is specifically the jurisdictions and the special districts that are involved and

539
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:24,760
it's broken out by that. So the way to look at it is kind of quote unquote an annex to our

540
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,340
bigger plan which is volume one. If you'd like a lot of the information that's going to be

541
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:33,560
volume one, but it's going to be county-wide, so it's not going to be specific to city

542
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,940
of San Alina, volume two, we'll have that.

543
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,560
Through the chair, I can add some more specificity.

544
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:44,480
I believe it's under volume two, which is jurisdictional annexes, section four is the city

545
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:45,460
of San Alina, annex.

546
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:48,560
Thank you.

547
00:40:49,300 --> 00:40:50,460
Thank you.

548
00:40:50,460 --> 00:40:52,060
And other questions of questions of question?

549
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,760
$859 is the page number.

550
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:55,780
All right.

551
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,680
Other questions?

552
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:58,840
Some questions are for a deck.

553
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,760
If not, I had a couple of questions.

554
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:02,680
More technical.

555
00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:07,960
First of all, I get to clear that, as you point out, this multi-terristic

556
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,640
No-house mitigation plan does not address emergency evacuation.

557
00:41:11,860 --> 00:41:14,220
Does not address the county's EOP.

558
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:17,940
Does not address local emergency operating plans, correct?

559
00:41:17,940 --> 00:41:25,180
No, I mean, it's identified that those are brought in is kind of like a reference but no, it does not address those.

560
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:38,200
So adoption of this plan does not affect the discretion or the ability of local jurisdictions to adopt, modify or continue to update their emergency operation plans as well as the county's the OP correct.

561
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:45,680
correct. The county does have an EOP that was adopted in 2022 by our Board of Supervisors.

562
00:41:46,460 --> 00:41:52,320
So we do consistent updates probably every two to three years, but that doesn't affect any

563
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:57,440
specific jurisdiction. Although we do ask jurisdictions if they would like to be involved,

564
00:41:57,660 --> 00:42:03,500
and then the plan looks pretty similar. There's an annex for a specific city if they would like.

565
00:42:03,500 --> 00:42:10,480
Some jurisdictions choose to participate, some choose to not participate, which I only assume that just means they do their own plan.

566
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:20,360
I had a question on participating jurisdictions, a system of reference, I mentioned special districts, and I appreciate that this iteration is expanded into special districts.

567
00:42:20,940 --> 00:42:26,360
was the Napa Open Space District solicited to participate, and if so, why did they not choose

568
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:26,860
to participate?

569
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:33,700
They are a very large land manager up our way in the Myocama as well as over on the eastern

570
00:42:33,700 --> 00:42:40,660
side and up north of St. Lena between St. Lena and Calstoga, were they solicited to participate?

571
00:42:42,300 --> 00:42:49,260
We, I can't specifically speak to that, it was probably two years ago now that we got

572
00:42:49,260 --> 00:42:53,540
list from our Board of Supervisors and said, hey, we're reaching out to special districts.

573
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:59,060
Please let us know the special districts you think would be worth reaching out to that

574
00:42:59,060 --> 00:43:02,980
aren't part of the current plan, because obviously we already knew some that would be interested.

575
00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:10,180
And at that time, that's when we reached out, we had NAPA San and VTA that decided to.

576
00:43:10,300 --> 00:43:15,560
Some choose not to, just because it is a big lift to be part of those, and we're pretty honest

577
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,480
at the beginning is, we're taking on the cost,

578
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,560
we have a grant, the grant sometimes requires a match,

579
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,600
we utilize staff time as our match,

580
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:27,460
so we're not asking the jurisdictions to provide anything,

581
00:43:27,660 --> 00:43:29,220
but we're pretty honest about the fact

582
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:34,740
that it does require a lot of hours of personnel

583
00:43:35,420 --> 00:43:38,180
to participate, and so that might have been a reason

584
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:41,640
why open space didn't, I can't speak to whether or not

585
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,180
we actually reach out to them,

586
00:43:43,180 --> 00:43:47,880
or whether or not they chose why they chose not to.

587
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:50,340
Well, as an emergency planner for the county,

588
00:43:50,500 --> 00:43:55,460
wouldn't it be useful even after you adopt the Mobile Jurisdictional HMP

589
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:59,120
to reach out to the open space district to have them take a look

590
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,920
and incorporate into their own emergency procedures

591
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:03,660
for their own lands that they manage?

592
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,500
Okay. Thank you. Those were all my questions.

593
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:10,800
I think that's a very good presentation and very well done.

594
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,840
and I reviewed the Saint-Lean Apportion

595
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,280
as well as most of the plan.

596
00:44:15,860 --> 00:44:16,960
Other questions, your comments?

597
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:17,940
Commissioner Covell.

598
00:44:18,620 --> 00:44:19,420
Thank you.

599
00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:23,960
Yeah, I also would like to say it's a very comprehensive document.

600
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,500
I did read all 1500 pages of it.

601
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,900
But, and I know we're not going to go into the Saint-Lean

602
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,340
chapter particularly.

603
00:44:34,300 --> 00:44:40,140
But I want to understand, it sounds like in this presentation

604
00:44:40,140 --> 00:44:49,900
that this document helps people jurisdictions get grant money and funding for particular pieces

605
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:59,280
that they need a help on correct. And so in the local annex chapter chapter chapter on St.

606
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Queen of...

607
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:22,520
If the chapter is written and analyzed in a way that shows need for further analysis or study or something, this is the opportunity for our town to address these larger projects and find grant money or funding.

608
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,800
correct? Like if it's painting a pretty picture and everything's great, then it's not really

609
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,680
serving the purpose of getting grant money, correct?

610
00:45:31,860 --> 00:45:37,940
Correct. And so I like to look at it in different buckets. Hazard mitigation based off

611
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:43,520
analysis, we've decided that these are the hazards. And the analysis just could come from

612
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:51,220
like outside sources from GIS from mapping, from FEMA's flood maps. Calfires hazards

613
00:45:51,220 --> 00:45:56,100
these are outside resources that help drive some that hazard profile.

614
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,280
For example, I could say City of Sainlina,

615
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:05,880
most of your city is in high and very high fire severity zones.

616
00:46:06,580 --> 00:46:08,480
And you could, as the city say, you know what?

617
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:09,900
I think we've worked on that enough.

618
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,440
It's not our biggest hazard.

619
00:46:12,020 --> 00:46:13,680
I'm not saying that that's what happened.

620
00:46:13,860 --> 00:46:16,280
I'm just saying, for example, you could decide that.

621
00:46:16,380 --> 00:46:20,020
So the buckets are we're saying based off data.

622
00:46:20,020 --> 00:46:25,300
here is your hazard. Then you're saying this is a hazard, but I'm more concerned about this

623
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:32,320
hazard. And then the mitigation actions are there. And as a city, those are in a planning

624
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,920
committee, those are developed. A lot of times, a mitigation action could say the mitigation

625
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:42,860
action is for the public to do this. Well, you guys don't get to control the public so much.

626
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:48,120
So, or that mitigation action, but it might be the community outreach component related to that.

627
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:53,020
Or it could say, yeah, you guys would really benefit from having more roads, for example.

628
00:46:53,340 --> 00:46:58,160
That is a very big cost, whether or not that's a grant opportunity or a general fund opportunity.

629
00:46:58,660 --> 00:47:00,560
That's for the city of Saint Helena to decide.

630
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:06,120
But those are kind of the buckets that I look at hazard mitigation in is here's a lot of data.

631
00:47:06,380 --> 00:47:10,400
Here's your hazards, but you have the opportunity to say these are our concerns.

632
00:47:10,980 --> 00:47:14,840
Even though you're presenting the data, a lot of times people agree with it, but they could say,

633
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,920
know what. I think we've really worked on wildfire. I'm really concerned about flooding

634
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:23,680
in the city of San Alina and then a lot of your mitigation actions are developed off

635
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:29,900
of your concerns. And I might just point out that San Alina has been very aggressive and active

636
00:47:29,900 --> 00:47:37,000
in seeking federal grants and state grants for various hazard mitigation. In fact, as part of

637
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:44,240
my role on fire safety counsel, the city was very much involved in seeking funding from the federal

638
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:49,720
government from FEMA. Unfortunately, as we all know, with the federal funding in Washington,

639
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:55,060
a lot of the FEMA grants available for whether it's wildfire or other housing mitigation

640
00:47:55,060 --> 00:47:59,280
and planning have gone away or have been reduced drastically. So, we'll stand point of

641
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:05,500
seeking grants. The the opportunity for federal funding is a lot less than it was. But,

642
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:13,840
Wayne Alina, what was it chief, maybe six or seven years ago, applied for a full FEMA grant

643
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,920
that was available to the city.

644
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:21,780
So the city has not been shy about applying for additional grants five years ago.

645
00:48:22,620 --> 00:48:23,380
Thank you.

646
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:30,680
So I'd like to ask some clarifying questions just about whose responsibility it is to apply for the grants

647
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:39,920
and your role and is your priority county more county-wide initiatives? Do you lead grant

648
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,860
applications for the jurisdictions or is that solely there's responsibility for the

649
00:48:44,860 --> 00:48:49,000
jurisdictions? How do you prioritize what you do?

650
00:48:50,100 --> 00:48:55,960
So when it comes to grants at the county I've become a bit of a subject matter expert on state

651
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:02,800
federal funding, but it is up to the jurisdictions. So the City of San Helena said this is a mitigation

652
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,060
action. For example, that is, we decided we can't general fund, but we would like to see state

653
00:49:09,060 --> 00:49:14,600
or federal funding and you found a grant opportunity. That would be up to the jurisdiction to apply.

654
00:49:14,780 --> 00:49:21,980
However, I'm not not available to help. It's just that a lot of times state and federal funding

655
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:30,200
applications require a lot of local knowledge that I may not have, which is why it's not

656
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:35,640
necessarily, I'm a bucket of like, here you go, just apply for this. This is what we like.

657
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:41,160
It would be really difficult for me to do that, because I don't have that local knowledge. And

658
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,860
I don't have the local perspective and a lot of state and federal grants, because they're

659
00:49:44,860 --> 00:49:51,060
so competitive. Now they're looking for kind of the picture of how this impacts and will

660
00:49:51,060 --> 00:49:56,360
helpful to your community and it's hard for me to tell a story on a local level because I'm

661
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:01,340
always looking at that county perspective. So I hope that answers your question. There are

662
00:50:01,340 --> 00:50:07,320
quite a few grants. I manage the home land security grant and the emergency management performance

663
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:13,300
grant which those are grants that are intended to help out the entire county home land security

664
00:50:13,300 --> 00:50:18,400
is based on terrorism. So when I'm looking for stuff, I'm looking at county resources like

665
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:25,780
equipment for rescue task force operations for SWAT operations that will eventually help

666
00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:31,360
city of Santa Elena if any of those things, you know, would unfortunately happen in

667
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:31,740
your city.

668
00:50:32,140 --> 00:50:38,960
And of course there's a state grant under opt or proposition four that's been subject

669
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:43,720
to lots of pushing and tugging and pulling because various parties in Sacramento have

670
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:49,720
want to get the lion's share of that funding because it includes not only wildfire but also

671
00:50:49,720 --> 00:50:55,640
parks and recreation very competitive I know because I followed the budget deliberations

672
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:01,280
in Sacramento for Proposition 4 and it's not easy so even though that money is available

673
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:06,400
it's highly competitive for various jurisdictions that are seeking it.

674
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:12,780
Is there a clearinghouse for all the grant opportunities as a resource for each of the

675
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:13,720
there's Dixins?

676
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:21,260
Yes, and no, there's like grants.gov is a great place to find a lot of grant opportunities.

677
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:27,000
Caloes and FEMA have websites, a lot of times you have to look at it, there's some

678
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:32,380
FEMA grants, for example, that only state the states can apply for and then a lot of times

679
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:38,240
the state will apply for it and then they'll become a subrecipient to FEMA and then you

680
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:40,840
will become a subrecipient to the state.

681
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,420
And so, sometimes you just have to look at what we call a no-photo notice of opportunity.

682
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:56,440
And I think a lot of times they're pushed out between different disciplines.

683
00:51:57,140 --> 00:52:03,180
So I think law fire might get a lot of grant opportunities, fire may hear about some fuel mitigation,

684
00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:05,820
or I may not necessarily hear about those.

685
00:52:05,940 --> 00:52:08,760
So sometimes it's dependent on the discipline you're looking at.

686
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,440
If you're looking for fuel mitigation, that's something that may come through your fire chief more.

687
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,720
So let me ask our chiefs.

688
00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:21,560
Are you aware of these grant opportunities that come through?

689
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:31,920
I just realized the microphone wasn't on.

690
00:52:32,620 --> 00:52:35,160
But yeah, you guys can sit there.

691
00:52:35,220 --> 00:52:36,040
Yes, we are.

692
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,940
They come across our email through the city.

693
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,640
We're always looking for these opportunities.

694
00:52:41,940 --> 00:52:43,800
We have a BWC grant right now,

695
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,980
which is body camera, grant through the, I believe it's the prison, California prison authority.

696
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,120
We just got, we just wrapped up one for an officer, the paid part of the salary.

697
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,060
So we're always, always, always looking for grant opportunities.

698
00:52:56,320 --> 00:53:02,600
And they usually come through our POAO, which is Andrew Bradley, and he just kind of disseminates

699
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:03,120
them out.

700
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,960
And we see if it's something that we can qualify for, and if it is, we attempt to write

701
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,040
it and get it.

702
00:53:10,310 --> 00:53:12,090
Yeah, that's all, all true.

703
00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:18,610
We have that, the big grant for the 2.7 million to clean up after the glass fire has been five years.

704
00:53:19,350 --> 00:53:24,950
And I had biologists, two biologists just come double-checking a couple of months ago.

705
00:53:25,350 --> 00:53:27,110
And so we're getting closer and closer.

706
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:29,190
And then nothing will be said for six, eight months.

707
00:53:29,530 --> 00:53:31,730
And then I'll also look back and send out an archaeologist.

708
00:53:32,410 --> 00:53:34,370
So it's a very difficult grant to acquire.

709
00:53:34,990 --> 00:53:35,930
But it's still alive.

710
00:53:36,390 --> 00:53:40,530
They thought that it would have been since the last administration came in.

711
00:53:40,530 --> 00:53:44,310
thought it would have been axed, but that's not true. It's still still life.

712
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:48,730
Thank you. Other questions or comments on this information item?

713
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:57,080
Looking at the whole plan and then our town. Obviously, I know most of the concerns must

714
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:02,000
be that we're in a great little valley where it grows a line in between hills and it only a

715
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:08,200
couple of ways in and out, whether it's fire, flood, earthquake. I'm pretty sure a lot of

716
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:17,200
community want a way out easy, but we live in a kind of like area that I guess what I'm trying

717
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,440
to say is there might be a lot of input, but there might only be a certain amount of ways

718
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:29,380
to handle these how to refer for our town, right? It's kind of been an on-running. I mean, forever

719
00:54:29,380 --> 00:54:34,240
there's only been a certain way in and out and being able to get away from these as safe

720
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,180
as possible.

721
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,340
Have we done any improvements?

722
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,020
Because I assume if there is a disaster,

723
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:45,440
we can't

724
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:50,080
widen our rows more to get in and out in a timely fashion.

725
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:53,800
Any improvements going to these plans?

726
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:59,320
Is there anything coming up that you guys can see as a light?

727
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:05,960
I, that's by interest kind of knowing maybe what new or stuff's coming in that might help us avoid

728
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:12,720
for our community these, as many hardships or disaster efforts.

729
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:14,640
Let me start off.

730
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:17,720
So, early warning is the best.

731
00:55:17,820 --> 00:55:21,640
I mean, widening the roads, you know, Hector, that's really tough.

732
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,400
You either go this way or you go that way.

733
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,000
And it's, it is very dynamic.

734
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,580
A lot of people say, well, where, where should I go if there's a fire?

735
00:55:28,580 --> 00:55:29,740
Well, where is the fire?

736
00:55:30,100 --> 00:55:33,200
You can get 270 degrees around this valley.

737
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Only the south end didn't have fire in the glass fire.

738
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:38,720
It spotted over, burned the whole thing.

739
00:55:40,060 --> 00:55:43,980
So early warning, being prepared, being able to go out.

740
00:55:44,020 --> 00:55:46,940
If you head south, like every time with vineyards on both sides,

741
00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:47,960
you know, you used to be plowed.

742
00:55:47,980 --> 00:55:49,520
When you and I were in high school in San Lina,

743
00:55:50,020 --> 00:55:51,400
they were all tilled.

744
00:55:51,540 --> 00:55:52,360
But now there's grass.

745
00:55:52,580 --> 00:55:55,960
So there's a little bit more that can happen in some areas.

746
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:05,780
it's hit and miss but we will let you know which way is the safest evacuation so on a fire

747
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:11,360
if I was the incident commander I do not but a lot of people think that fire is in charge

748
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,720
of the vacuations they're not that's police law enforcement is in charge but they take our

749
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,680
recommendation so if we say the fire is here and in three hours it's going to be here I think you

750
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:24,780
to give this as a immediate recommendation,

751
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:27,020
and then this will be a warning.

752
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:28,960
And so that's how it works.

753
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:31,300
And I'll tell you, every fire, the deputies,

754
00:56:32,060 --> 00:56:35,640
the police, cities, have always been there right next to me

755
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:38,720
for trying to take action.

756
00:56:40,140 --> 00:56:40,980
So, I happen.

757
00:56:41,020 --> 00:56:43,820
Anything to add, Chief Tharp?

758
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:45,720
No, I would say that's correct.

759
00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:49,020
And people don't realize we spend meetings,

760
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:53,020
these meetings and Santa Rosa that we during the glass fire that we

761
00:56:53,020 --> 00:56:56,840
rat every day discussing ways in and out of the valley where the fire was

762
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,900
at what we need to be evacuated. There's a lot of effort that goes in

763
00:56:59,900 --> 00:57:02,760
that there's people don't even realize this happening behind the scenes.

764
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,260
And I might point out that just recently you gave an update to the city council in

765
00:57:08,260 --> 00:57:13,540
terms of a emergency preparation in the city for for wildfire and I

766
00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:17,540
actor you might want to take a look at that city council presentation that

767
00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:22,480
that was received as an update and I understand we're going to have some drills, aren't we?

768
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:22,980
Oh yeah.

769
00:57:23,180 --> 00:57:23,240
Yes.

770
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:27,340
This year, drills are so important in terms of being prepared for evacuation.

771
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,400
Through the chair, I just want to add one additional item.

772
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,900
It doesn't stop at our city boundaries.

773
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:41,080
So when there's an emergency or an urgent matter, they're not just talking to each other,

774
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:46,380
but they're talking to their other respective partners that are in other jurisdictions as well.

775
00:57:46,380 --> 00:57:49,860
So it's not, it's not just here in St. Helena.

776
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:50,980
Yep, county wide emergency.

777
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:55,700
I wanted to add that I do get a lot of text for closures,

778
00:57:55,900 --> 00:57:57,000
damage, going around stuff.

779
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,720
And I'm in Fairfield all the time at the main office.

780
00:58:00,380 --> 00:58:03,020
And so, and I even let my wife know she didn't read it.

781
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:04,920
So that early detection is work.

782
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,940
Oh, I just want to ask for everything.

783
00:58:07,340 --> 00:58:09,620
So I am very happy with that.

784
00:58:09,900 --> 00:58:14,620
And I'll just speak to this prior to my work with OES.

785
00:58:14,620 --> 00:58:21,820
I worked for AMR, which is the 19-contracted 911 system here prior to that was pioneers and I was with them as well.

786
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,260
So I've been on every disaster since the earthquakes in 2014.

787
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:35,140
And I was there in 2017 and I was there in 2020 and I evacuated St. Alina Hospital twice in 2020, which was really fun.

788
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:44,600
But a lot now in this, the job that I'm in now, a lot has changed from 2017 to 2020 when it's come to

789
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:49,960
Early detection it's come when it's come to alert and warning a lot has changed

790
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:55,480
I know that's not the intention of this meeting, but that is something that at any point

791
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:58,400
I think you guys can discuss with law and fire about the changes and

792
00:58:59,220 --> 00:59:06,000
Honestly, even at the county, I'm happy to provide information on that but there have been a lot of changes from 2017 and 2020 and

793
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,300
Unfortunately, it is less than slurrent not that that's the way that we want to learn it, but

794
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:12,820
We'd have taken that into account

795
00:59:12,820 --> 00:59:19,740
I just want to say that I can think to kind of also build off of what Hector Commissioner

796
00:59:19,740 --> 00:59:20,760
Hector.

797
00:59:20,780 --> 00:59:21,340
Sorry.

798
00:59:21,540 --> 00:59:31,360
Lopez was saying, I recently, like, I submitted this, too, as Napaccounty General Plan has

799
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:40,200
affairs and peers report in their safety element, and it is dated back to 2018, and the study

800
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:46,280
is done using measurements that are very different than this recent one that was just done in Sonoma

801
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:53,400
County for Sonoma County counties, fair, and peers, evacuation modeling. And it's kind

802
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:59,900
of addressing the same things. It's not addressing where like, you know, we have limited space to make

803
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,860
Our roads wider, but it was a study that was done to show where the bottlenecks and the choke points were,

804
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:13,540
were so they could be proactively mitigated before, so that in an event they could address

805
01:00:13,540 --> 01:00:22,920
those things now in a way that is not going to, it's not, it's going to help during

806
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:41,240
large evacuations. And so one of my comments, at least that I had put in was that it would be great if we had funding from NAP for NAP Accounting to do a similar report that is based off that kind of style of report and analysis and using the metrics that they use instead of the one that we used.

807
01:00:42,380 --> 01:00:48,220
The other thing that I will say is in reviewing this doc and I hope everybody does review it.

808
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:52,420
I think some of the things that are, you know, and this is about public health and safety.

809
01:00:53,000 --> 01:01:10,460
So, I think, and what I want to say is that I think some of the stuff that is saying that our town is doing what is our mitigation strategy is apparently

810
01:01:10,460 --> 01:01:18,220
Apparently, based off of the general plan chapters that the previous director has told us

811
01:01:18,220 --> 01:01:23,420
that we cannot use anymore, because there was subjective, there is a meeting in the reference

812
01:01:23,420 --> 01:01:28,100
where she said that the growth management chapter of the general plan is no longer.

813
01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:36,860
We can use that, and this strategy, mitigation strategy, says the growth management plan

814
01:01:36,860 --> 01:01:40,000
in this general plan is how we're safe.

815
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,860
So I think also some of the new California laws

816
01:01:43,860 --> 01:01:48,080
that are coming out are increasing the numbers

817
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,720
that is beyond what our general plan says.

818
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,320
Our general plan says nine units a year.

819
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,140
That's not what's happening anymore.

820
01:01:58,900 --> 01:02:00,360
So I think some of this doc

821
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,540
might have been written a little while ago

822
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:06,200
or something where it just hasn't gotten caught up

823
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,880
some of the things that have been changing, and so I really wanted to just point that out

824
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:16,760
for everybody in case they want to look at it in more depth because it's a significant

825
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:28,980
health public health and safety. I mean it's more safety, life safety, and so yeah, that's

826
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:35,740
kind of my big comment is that if we are able to get funding or grants that can

827
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,580
help this town particularly because there's a lot of people

828
01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:44,220
funneling through this town during an emergency. Let's just say

829
01:02:44,220 --> 01:02:49,320
Calistoga and going and if they're they're you know they're funneling

830
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:55,800
through our our roads which in and I pointed out in as a comment our main

831
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,840
street is the highway which is different than many of the other local jurisdictions

832
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:19,620
where the city is kind of off to the side, and, you know, our street is our main collector street for our town, as well as funneling people from different areas in winning North Northern cities.

833
01:03:20,460 --> 01:03:29,620
population. So I just hope as a town, we put this out in front of everyone more thoroughly

834
01:03:29,620 --> 01:03:37,760
and take the time to address it because this is the opportunity and it seems like if it

835
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:43,220
can bring us funding or grants or anything like that to help us, I think it's worthwhile to kind

836
01:03:43,220 --> 01:03:49,600
of really dive into that. So I appreciate hold on. I appreciate your position or

837
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:55,200
opinion on the St. Alina as well as the multi-hazard jurisdictional assumptions I disagree

838
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:02,280
with you if they are inaccurate or not useful or credible. And in fact of course this plan

839
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:07,480
has nothing to do with emergency evacuation planning. It references hazard mitigation and emergency

840
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:15,740
evacuation planning is in a separate plan, separate approach. So this is not the plan to address

841
01:04:15,740 --> 01:04:21,940
emergency evacuation. I just want to clarify that. And again, you and I may disagree with

842
01:04:21,940 --> 01:04:26,540
our interpretation of what this graph plan does. I think this is quite a credible plan,

843
01:04:27,100 --> 01:04:33,600
based on useful data. Obviously emergency evacuation plans get updated. This MHP will not

844
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:40,380
be updated for five years. That doesn't mean the EOPs aren't updated for every change in

845
01:04:40,380 --> 01:04:43,320
data or transportation planning?

846
01:04:44,100 --> 01:04:50,760
And through the chair, I think what I'll just add here is that I do think that Commissioner

847
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:59,540
Covalu bring up some valid ideas for funding purposes and that I think as a team here

848
01:04:59,540 --> 01:05:04,880
at the city, we're actively looking, we heard from our chiefs here, they're actively looking

849
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,360
for grants to constantly update what we can and if something does come forward where

850
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,460
we can locally look at that, we would do so,

851
01:05:13,660 --> 01:05:16,480
and I think that that's a desire that we have locally.

852
01:05:17,780 --> 01:05:22,400
Again, this is, I don't think that this plan restricts us

853
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:23,980
from seeking grants.

854
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,480
It complements our ability to look for grants,

855
01:05:28,540 --> 01:05:31,020
but I'm gonna defer real quick to Brianna

856
01:05:31,020 --> 01:05:33,060
just to supplement what I'm saying.

857
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,380
For grant opportunities, absolutely.

858
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:39,800
It does supplement any grant opportunities you're looking for

859
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,640
because it just shows that there is a research,

860
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,320
and there's backing to whatever funding you're looking for.

861
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:50,260
Obviously, I'll be addressed with what that funding is for,

862
01:05:50,540 --> 01:05:52,060
is in the scope of the projects.

863
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,460
So, if you're looking for,

864
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:57,740
and I think when you're talking about evacuation planning,

865
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:00,240
one of the things that is a big concern

866
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,120
for a lot of people is ingress and ingress.

867
01:06:03,980 --> 01:06:07,020
Obviously, the answer is more, right?

868
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:12,760
that's just, but it's not realistic. It's more in every, it's not just the city of

869
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:19,040
Sanalena, it's in every jurisdiction at least in that county, but most places, more roads,

870
01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:27,080
that, unfortunately, that's just not realistic for a lot of, financial reasons, a lot of,

871
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:31,800
you know, state, sequel reasons, that type of stuff, and that takes traffic engineers and

872
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:37,900
everything to develop that, but yes, the answer is definitely more, but that's where the

873
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:41,900
scopes you want to start looking at the projects you're looking for, the scope of the

874
01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:46,800
project and then how you back up, whatever that scope may be, the hazard mitigation is just

875
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:47,820
one tool.

876
01:06:48,180 --> 01:06:52,840
Well, let me just be sure, when you say more and more, it depends upon the risk evaluation.

877
01:06:53,460 --> 01:06:57,740
There's not necessarily an or is there the need for a grant if you have an identified

878
01:06:57,740 --> 01:06:59,920
the need for it for a particular purpose, correct?

879
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:04,940
And typically there's not, I don't know of any grant opportunities that cover more roads.

880
01:07:06,660 --> 01:07:10,800
So, that's honestly just, you know, a comment about, like, yes.

881
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:18,560
I think a lot of people agree that there are some areas, especially in NAP accounts, especially in this valley, where it would be beneficial to have more routes.

882
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:26,160
But it's not realistic, just because of one, the funding, and two, we don't know, like you said, the risk that it would present.

883
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,620
But again, the multi-hazard mitigation plan does not deal with

884
01:07:29,620 --> 01:07:33,720
ingress or egress needs for various jurisdictions or the county correct?

885
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,520
It doesn't deal with the evacuation planning on it.

886
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:41,080
It may address something that might be a mitigation effort.

887
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:44,720
Or additional routes.

888
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,380
Obviously, that might be a county-wide, or it could be individual cities,

889
01:07:49,820 --> 01:07:49,980
because the...

890
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:52,340
And that depends on an individual assessment, correct?

891
01:07:52,700 --> 01:07:53,100
Correct.

892
01:07:53,340 --> 01:07:55,120
And I think the assessment you're talking about,

893
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:56,900
I don't know about out at a county level,

894
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:59,080
but the city of Sanoma did do a plan

895
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:01,080
and it does discuss choke points.

896
01:08:03,540 --> 01:08:06,700
At the risk of signing myself up for more presentations,

897
01:08:07,020 --> 01:08:08,780
we actually just recently did one

898
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:10,840
in the city of American Canyon

899
01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:14,800
because that was a concern for their Watson Ranch area.

900
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,700
And we have some tools that we utilize

901
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:21,760
that already discuss choke points.

902
01:08:22,420 --> 01:08:23,980
And your fire and police chief know

903
01:08:23,980 --> 01:08:26,960
about the tools of Genesis, they have access to it.

904
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,160
And most of the time, if you talk to local fire

905
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,000
and law, they're aware of the choke points.

906
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,080
One of the things that these plans

907
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:37,820
don't address is the human element.

908
01:08:38,860 --> 01:08:41,980
So it doesn't matter how much money we would like to spend

909
01:08:41,980 --> 01:08:44,200
on a plan, the human element is always

910
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,160
the thing that is the most crucial.

911
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:48,680
And we don't know what people will do.

912
01:08:49,380 --> 01:08:50,800
There's orders and warnings.

913
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:53,560
And a lot of times people just won't

914
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:58,720
listen to the morning or order, a lot of times they'll evacuate when they're not in an evacuation

915
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:05,680
zone. Now that's adding more in. There's sometimes people that decide to go a different way

916
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,880
than law enforcement tells them to go. There's always a human element that we can never address

917
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:16,480
in a plan. But there's a lot of awareness on the choke points. And I think if you would talk to

918
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:20,840
law and fire, they're aware of those for the city of San Alina, just like in the city of

919
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,800
American Canyon we address that we have awareness of those choke points and we do have some

920
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:33,100
I guess that being tools that show that point just a point of clarification through the chair

921
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:41,400
Ingress egress we're in this context we're talking about new roads that people access so just point of clarification

922
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:49,600
We don't have to discuss it at all just making that clarification for that's fine any other comments or questions before I mean

923
01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:55,720
it. Just to go off of that one is a lot of people kind of with talking like, well, every day

924
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:59,980
in the rush hour, the choke point. There's choke points that are not really in our jurisdiction,

925
01:10:00,380 --> 01:10:05,020
right? They're kind of a little bit further down at the road, but it kind of impacts coming back up.

926
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:14,080
So if it's not really in, let's say, chiefs, the chiefs here, jurisdictions to kind of identify those

927
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,500
choke points. That's where I thought this multi-jurist

928
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:23,200
dictionary kind of approach to it would address things like choke points

929
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,120
down the road that could affect St. Alina residents in an issue, you

930
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:32,640
know, in an evacuation. Or let's just say for mitigation measures

931
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:39,200
to address potential. Well, in life safety issues, there's a positive

932
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,120
and a negative to a human element. If you're aware of a choke

933
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,000
point as a law enforcement officer, what are you going to do?

934
01:10:45,100 --> 01:10:49,200
You're going to send officers there to say, hey, I'm going to create this instead of using

935
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:49,860
stop lights.

936
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:55,160
I'm going to now use officers to send traffic through or there's things like contraflow

937
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:55,760
for example.

938
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,880
That's saying everybody that's going north, we're now going to take the south bound because

939
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:05,120
we need everybody to go north from 29 instead of south or vice versa.

940
01:11:05,460 --> 01:11:10,380
So there's a positive and a negative that some of the planning documents, not that they're

941
01:11:10,380 --> 01:11:16,740
important but that don't address the human element of what people are going to do and then the

942
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:22,020
element of what the law enforcement officers might do because I'm sure the chief is aware that

943
01:11:22,020 --> 01:11:30,300
there are some choke points in St. Alina that may that may be affected by other choke points within

944
01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:35,900
the county and that's when he would look to his sheriff's office or city of Calestoga counterparts

945
01:11:35,900 --> 01:11:39,980
to say, hey, this is where we need to send additional officers, but I'll have him speak to that.

946
01:11:40,380 --> 01:11:44,320
But you're not in the MHE addressing choke points or emergency evacuation at all.

947
01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:48,180
You're just identifying hazards and it's up to the local jurisdictions through their emergency

948
01:11:48,660 --> 01:11:55,240
planning to do so. And in fact, in terms of coordination, the countywide EOP provides for coordination

949
01:11:55,240 --> 01:12:00,240
among all the jurisdictions for ingress and egress in terms of evacuation routes. Correct?

950
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:05,060
That's correct. And it's the sheriff's office is obviously outside of any of the jurisdictions.

951
01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:08,700
they're going to handle down incorporating areas, which obviously,

952
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,860
seen a Lena has some unincorporated areas.

953
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:16,300
I'm just going to, through the chair, I'm going to, I'm going to be a little less technical

954
01:12:16,300 --> 01:12:20,340
right now, but I'll defer to Chief Tharp.

955
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:29,240
You know, in these are dynamic circumstances and situations when they occur, a plan is helpful

956
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:35,040
when it's helpful, but at the end of the day, they're going to be making decisions

957
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:41,900
and coordinating across our boundaries to make sure that the public is getting from point

958
01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:46,760
aid to point M or Z as efficiently and effectively as possible.

959
01:12:46,980 --> 01:12:51,540
That being said, I'm just going to hand it over to Chief Tharp and Chief Sornson, when

960
01:12:51,540 --> 01:12:57,480
there's an incident, you know, simplifying it, how do you operate?

961
01:12:59,340 --> 01:13:12,000
So we would, every, every fire is different, like I said before, you know, and so we would collaborate and it's going to be on the back of the tailgate somewhere on the fire line and

962
01:13:13,100 --> 01:13:18,500
Tharp will be with me and we will weigh all the options and what's the best, the best route.

963
01:13:18,820 --> 01:13:27,400
You know, we do have a big wide open space here, not like Calestoga is at the beginning of and everything v's out farther and farther and every mile you get, it gets wider.

964
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:34,980
So, if you get into the open space just south of town, it is even in town is pretty

965
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:38,620
defensible space and safety zones.

966
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:42,020
I mean, my wife, we live in England, okay.

967
01:13:42,460 --> 01:13:46,760
And so my wife's bags are packed already, they're already in the trunk, okay?

968
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:47,540
We're ready.

969
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:48,880
The car is pointed out the door.

970
01:13:48,980 --> 01:13:53,700
She's just got to get the dog wringo in the car and her phone and forget about it.

971
01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,380
But in the middle time, you need to get on with your life.

972
01:13:57,380 --> 01:14:05,060
And people worry about it every minute of the day about the fire they have their watch duty on and they see the fire

973
01:14:05,060 --> 01:14:10,720
They see the one over in Rumsie. It's 390 acres and they're just just having a real hard time about it

974
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:18,440
But you just need to be ready. It's going to be fluid. The Genesis will give you the path for the safest way out

975
01:14:20,020 --> 01:14:26,940
And I'll just ask Chief Tharp, you know, also you're in put how you coordinate its dynamic it's in the moment

976
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:27,800
It's in the moment.

977
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:31,600
We actually embed somebody most of the time in the county's EOC.

978
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,660
It's a staff member from here.

979
01:14:35,700 --> 01:14:39,360
We have everybody's phone number that I have looked at Edelman's phone number that you

980
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,080
should handle patrol.

981
01:14:40,260 --> 01:14:41,340
I'm not sure who's doing here right now.

982
01:14:41,980 --> 01:14:42,740
But it's dynamic.

983
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,620
It would be amputing instantly if there's issues.

984
01:14:45,980 --> 01:14:49,920
And of course when the state gets ramped up, CHP has an almost an unlimited resource.

985
01:14:50,340 --> 01:14:54,140
If it comes to traffic control, of course it takes a couple minutes but it could happen very

986
01:14:54,140 --> 01:14:54,540
quickly.

987
01:14:55,240 --> 01:14:56,820
Director, I'd like to wrap this up.

988
01:14:56,820 --> 01:14:59,800
because this is informational and I think we need to move on here.

989
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,480
That's through the chair and the Planning Commission. Again, I appreciate everybody being here for this informational item and it's helpful for us all.

990
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:19,420
And as you guys know, he mentioned Genesis, that's the note your own program and that is something that's mentioned in the hazard mitigation plan.

991
01:15:19,420 --> 01:15:21,860
and is actually a requirement from Calo,

992
01:15:21,980 --> 01:15:24,420
we ask now to have zone-based evacuations.

993
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,480
So that was a tool that we'll be mentioned in there.

994
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,040
Thank you very much for your presentation.

995
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,240
Very good and keep up the good work in terms of the planning.

996
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:34,740
Thank you, this is the presentation.

997
01:15:34,940 --> 01:15:36,700
Presentation will also be at the Town Hall meeting.

998
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:38,440
We will have Lieutenant Edelman.

999
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,780
And if we get an opportunity, I'll talk to the chief,

1000
01:15:41,980 --> 01:15:43,620
but we'll show you guys a little bit of Genesis.

1001
01:15:44,460 --> 01:15:46,480
Thank you. Let's move on then.

1002
01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:51,680
before we go. I'm just going to think both chiefs for being here in Brianna again. I don't

1003
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:58,260
know if you want to do a plaque. I did think her again. Oh yeah, Lisa asked me, John, who would

1004
01:15:58,260 --> 01:16:03,980
be the best to present the has everything I said there's only one and that's going to be Brianna

1005
01:16:03,980 --> 01:16:08,980
Jones right there and you did a fantastic job and yes, we have the town hall meeting which is

1006
01:16:08,980 --> 01:16:12,540
going to be filmed as soon as you're going to miss it. It's going to be next Thursday the 30th.

1007
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:13,840
You're going to have calfire there.

1008
01:16:14,060 --> 01:16:15,040
Brianna's coming back.

1009
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,120
I'll be there just in.

1010
01:16:17,860 --> 01:16:19,340
It's going to be, there's going to be six presenters.

1011
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:22,700
Insurance companies say, how is your insurance?

1012
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:25,580
Is what is it based on?

1013
01:16:25,580 --> 01:16:27,540
David Capone, who's been on the fart apartment

1014
01:16:27,540 --> 01:16:29,120
our fart apartment for 20 years.

1015
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:33,500
He owns a portion of an insurance company in town.

1016
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:37,260
And then the city employees will have EOC training

1017
01:16:37,260 --> 01:16:38,740
this Thursday, the 23rd.

1018
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,080
So we're ramping up.

1019
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:50,100
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Okay, that was a good good discussion. Thank you all.

1020
01:16:51,260 --> 01:16:58,620
We're on to, I think, the next item, which is our adoption of our work plan, am I correct, director?

1021
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:08,620
Yes, thank you. So, Lisa McIlligan, Director of Community Development, and just make sure she has everything.

1022
01:17:08,620 --> 01:17:14,060
I'm going to assume all of our commissioners have gone through the plan because we've had it in front of us.

1023
01:17:14,060 --> 01:17:15,280
Yes, so I'll go ahead.

1024
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:15,440
Yes, so I'll go ahead.

1025
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,440
Your presentation or maybe your summary.

1026
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:19,920
So we can take my brief presentation.

1027
01:17:20,620 --> 01:17:21,540
Thank you.

1028
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,900
So this item was before the commission that it's last meeting.

1029
01:17:25,620 --> 01:17:30,060
And there was a request and desire to look a little closer at it.

1030
01:17:30,420 --> 01:17:36,080
Since that meeting, we have made a few amendments to it where we've sectioned off

1031
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:45,840
actual private projects that would likely be becoming before the commission, so you'll see that as a difference as well as our policy projects.

1032
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:53,960
And we added a few additional items to the policy projects. One is potentially, again, all of these are potential.

1033
01:17:54,220 --> 01:18:00,600
They're not commitments and they're subject to approval of our city manager as well as a city council.

1034
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:28,760
But we added inclusionary housing and looking at our ordinance based on some conversations we've had with a member group that we have here in the city, our housing assembly group as well as looking at potentially cultural art on private properties, I would like to remove the word overlay from that and just look at our ordinance.

1035
01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:33,760
with respects to artwork on private properties,

1036
01:18:34,020 --> 01:18:36,060
so art and sculptures on private properties.

1037
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,200
And with that, happy to hear from the commission.

1038
01:18:41,460 --> 01:18:43,420
I think this has been a great exercise

1039
01:18:43,420 --> 01:18:45,740
where we're looking at bylaws,

1040
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,120
and we're looking at our code sections

1041
01:18:49,820 --> 01:18:51,420
for the planning commission.

1042
01:18:51,740 --> 01:18:54,040
And we will be taking this before the city council

1043
01:18:54,040 --> 01:18:55,800
for their ultimate approval.

1044
01:18:55,800 --> 01:19:25,040
So, good. I've got a couple of questions and additions. One of the things you and I have discussed is basically I would like to add on the, and this is, by the way, as a available, I think your section on inclusionary zone or inclusionary housing are all as available, because you've got a lot of workload that you do just to get the, the normal wash out. So, I understand that all these items are subject to availability and capacity, but I would like to add at the end of that list.

1045
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:34,900
on going review of downtown specific plan elements and standards in the zoning code to promote efficient quality responsive economic development.

1046
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:48,420
And my reason there is I know we have kind of suspended the detailed downtown specific plan work out of I think concern over funding as well as availability of time.

1047
01:19:48,420 --> 01:19:54,280
But on an asavailable basis, I think we as part of the planning commission need to constantly

1048
01:19:55,220 --> 01:20:00,440
asavailable review the elements of the zoning code that affect our downtown businesses

1049
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:02,320
in an economic development sense.

1050
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:08,480
So I'm not wedded any particular phrasing, but I thought I would recommend to my fellow

1051
01:20:08,480 --> 01:20:10,000
commissioners that we had that.

1052
01:20:10,500 --> 01:20:15,600
Secondly, I'd like to add something that I discussed briefly at our last discussion, which

1053
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,240
is ongoing review of potential amendments to the zoning code

1054
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,540
to comply with standards for objective versus subjective

1055
01:20:22,540 --> 01:20:24,540
regulations and design standards.

1056
01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:29,620
This, I think, came out of Commissioner Covelle's initial thoughts

1057
01:20:29,620 --> 01:20:31,860
when we first talked about the zoning code update,

1058
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,120
but also I think it's a broader issue.

1059
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:38,980
It's the issue of we've gone as far as being sure

1060
01:20:38,980 --> 01:20:43,620
that our housing-related regulations are objective

1061
01:20:43,620 --> 01:20:49,840
and compliance with state law, but we haven't gone and looked at all of our current zoning

1062
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:53,680
code provisions in terms of whether they are objective or subjective.

1063
01:20:54,180 --> 01:21:00,440
We have just achieved a very great, with a great staff work, a rewrite, a redo of the ADU

1064
01:21:00,440 --> 01:21:04,080
standards, which make them more predictable and objective.

1065
01:21:04,780 --> 01:21:09,040
I'd like to just add that Alan and Azavailable basis that we would be doing it on going

1066
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:14,120
review of the standards in the zoning code for objective or subjective regulations.

1067
01:21:15,020 --> 01:21:18,940
I would like to, this might be controversial, but I feel very strongly about it.

1068
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,580
I think we did a delete the accessory cultural art overlay.

1069
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:31,520
In my opinion, the zoning, the planning commission has no role in regulating private arts.

1070
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:36,700
I don't believe that the planning commission has a lead on public art.

1071
01:21:36,700 --> 01:21:43,320
I believe Parks and Recreation has a lead on public art, so I would not recommend that we

1072
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:51,880
approve this as part of our planning commission work plan, because I don't support it.

1073
01:21:51,980 --> 01:21:55,800
I think, basically, getting into, first of all, I don't have a lot of resources.

1074
01:21:56,300 --> 01:22:00,420
Second of all, public art is being something being dealt with by the Parks and Recreation Commission.

1075
01:22:00,420 --> 01:22:07,100
And third of all, I don't know of any authority that this city has to regulate private art

1076
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:14,380
on private property that has no violation of any existing setback or any public safety standards.

1077
01:22:15,020 --> 01:22:18,340
So I would ask if that accessory cultural art overlay be deleted.

1078
01:22:18,860 --> 01:22:24,460
My personal interpretation of the code right now is that if I wanted to put a piece of art

1079
01:22:24,460 --> 01:22:27,660
in my backyard, I would not need to go to the city for approval.

1080
01:22:27,660 --> 01:22:35,020
So, particularly if it doesn't violate any particular public health or safety requirement.

1081
01:22:35,460 --> 01:22:39,160
So those are my recommendations, but also open it up for other commissioners in terms

1082
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:44,140
of any recommendations and thoughts and director if you would like to address my recommendations.

1083
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,680
Obviously, you'll have a chance to do that too.

1084
01:22:48,820 --> 01:22:48,860
Sure.

1085
01:22:49,380 --> 01:22:52,680
So I've taken note of what you would like to add.

1086
01:22:52,680 --> 01:23:00,120
These are items that our department has placed here on our work plan to potentially look at.

1087
01:23:00,180 --> 01:23:04,820
And we will discuss them with our city manager and ultimately with the city council.

1088
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:06,000
Let me correct something.

1089
01:23:06,420 --> 01:23:10,420
You're asking the planning commission to adopt this as a work plan, not as a staff work plan.

1090
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,540
I have no objection to the staff providing a work plan.

1091
01:23:13,860 --> 01:23:17,980
But if you're asking for the planning commission to endorse a work plan, then it's not something

1092
01:23:17,980 --> 01:23:23,680
simply take back to the city manager, either the planning commission approves this as the planning

1093
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:28,580
commission's work plan or we don't. So, Chair, I'm not going to, I'm not going to argue with you this

1094
01:23:28,580 --> 01:23:35,080
evening, but I will love to hear from the rest of the information. Thank you. I do have some questions

1095
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:46,460
and comments. Under the projects that might come before us that you've listed, Gray, I have a

1096
01:23:46,460 --> 01:23:49,360
question about whether you think the cliff family project

1097
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,480
who came with kind of a pre-application would be coming

1098
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:55,640
in the next year and also the spring vineyards.

1099
01:23:55,780 --> 01:23:58,300
So those are the two other projects

1100
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:04,720
that I thought might, parts of it might come before us

1101
01:24:04,720 --> 01:24:08,060
in this planning year and wondered what your thoughts were on that.

1102
01:24:08,340 --> 01:24:11,720
Do you want me to ask you all of my make-all of my comments

1103
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:13,020
or should we go one by one?

1104
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:15,400
Yeah, I think one by one works for me.

1105
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:18,880
I think that's fine if acceptable through the chair.

1106
01:24:19,220 --> 01:24:21,560
What I'll say about spring vineyard, the housing project,

1107
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,940
is that's not a project that's

1108
01:24:24,940 --> 01:24:26,800
slated to go before the planning commission.

1109
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:31,180
So I wouldn't automatically be putting

1110
01:24:31,180 --> 01:24:33,780
that on the work plan.

1111
01:24:35,660 --> 01:24:38,600
I'll defer to Ms. O'Neill about Cliff.

1112
01:24:38,820 --> 01:24:43,080
I have not heard any communications from the applicant

1113
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,000
for the Cliff Free Development Project

1114
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:48,720
since we had the initial pre-submittal application.

1115
01:24:49,540 --> 01:24:51,680
So I wouldn't anticipate that it would come

1116
01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:54,760
in this fiscal year, but we're hopeful

1117
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,580
that it will be coming back soon.

1118
01:24:56,940 --> 01:24:57,220
Okay.

1119
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:00,160
And I'm just just that you consider that

1120
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:02,640
in terms of bandwidth because I think,

1121
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:04,600
you know, this fiscal year,

1122
01:25:04,980 --> 01:25:07,000
we're talking about the one that just started, right?

1123
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:08,400
So we're talking about a 12 month period.

1124
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,660
So it's feasible that it could come back to us

1125
01:25:11,660 --> 01:25:12,580
in 12 months.

1126
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:14,420
Yes. So I'll touch on that real quick.

1127
01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:22,340
This plan is based on what we know and what we're operating under as of this point in time.

1128
01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:28,920
So how we actually move forward before the commission is dependent on many factors, including

1129
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,400
was an application submitted that we didn't know about.

1130
01:25:32,420 --> 01:25:33,860
Was it deemed complete?

1131
01:25:34,060 --> 01:25:35,340
Will it be coming forward?

1132
01:25:35,420 --> 01:25:36,700
This is what we know.

1133
01:25:36,700 --> 01:25:40,320
We don't need to amend the plan again.

1134
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:44,520
It's just a snapshot today of what we're hoping

1135
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:49,380
to bring forward based on our work plan in the department

1136
01:25:49,380 --> 01:25:53,780
and what we know is likely to come before the planning commission.

1137
01:25:54,780 --> 01:25:56,920
Okay. A couple of other things.

1138
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:01,600
So I would love to add.

1139
01:26:02,020 --> 01:26:04,100
And I don't think this is going to be a big ask,

1140
01:26:04,100 --> 01:26:16,180
but under departmental projects that we revisit and make some updates to the planning

1141
01:26:16,180 --> 01:26:21,920
department website pages to make them more public-friendly.

1142
01:26:23,960 --> 01:26:26,600
And we talked about a dashboard, but there are ways.

1143
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:36,020
And, and to try to help with staff time, I mean, we could even do an ad hoc committee or something.

1144
01:26:36,180 --> 01:26:45,520
I mean, there are people who understand how to make pages like that far more user-friendly.

1145
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:51,480
Obviously, it does also take some data entry as you're going through projects.

1146
01:26:51,480 --> 01:27:07,780
I understand that requires staff time, but I think there are people who could help reduce the staff time and implementing that and it wouldn't take much to make a big improvement for public access to information.

1147
01:27:09,060 --> 01:27:15,840
Yeah, so that's a great thing to bring up. That is on our department's work plan. It's not on the planning commission's work plan.

1148
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:25,000
So it wouldn't be, yeah, but I will say that myself, Natalie and Jackie, we're all beginning

1149
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:31,120
that process, we're incorporating it in, making little changes, you'll hear a little more

1150
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,500
for me about some of those little changes later on in today's meeting.

1151
01:27:35,260 --> 01:27:40,680
But that is something that they desire to do greatly, and so that will be periodic.

1152
01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,620
It wouldn't be in our planning commission work plan though, great.

1153
01:27:43,620 --> 01:27:50,240
If you'd like focus group of small focus group, I'm willing to volunteer.

1154
01:27:53,880 --> 01:28:00,680
Then I, my question you put attend the league of California City's planning commissioners

1155
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:06,840
as a Academy, I assume that you're budgeting for one or more commissioners to be able to go.

1156
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:08,740
Yes, we budget for that.

1157
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:12,020
Okay, how many commissioners are you budgeted for?

1158
01:28:12,020 --> 01:28:19,480
It's fully budgeted and if there's a need to make edits we can, so it's highly desirable

1159
01:28:19,480 --> 01:28:22,380
that the planning commissioners do attend those.

1160
01:28:22,860 --> 01:28:23,940
I find them very valuable.

1161
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:35,960
And then what about an ongoing update, and maybe this is bringing in legal counsel periodically

1162
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:49,840
in terms of some of the laws that get past that impact what we do here. So, I'd love to see some, you know,

1163
01:28:50,080 --> 01:28:58,800
reporting on that or presentations on that as they come up like not necessarily, you know, they can be consolidated,

1164
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:04,440
whether that's quarterly, whether that's you know, however that is represented, but I think

1165
01:29:04,440 --> 01:29:10,100
it would be very helpful to this commission to understand you know, what new laws are being

1166
01:29:10,100 --> 01:29:17,220
passed, particularly you know, in California, that effect zoning code and housing and all

1167
01:29:17,220 --> 01:29:18,560
the things that come before us.

1168
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:22,660
Yes, so we actually already have that on here under the Department's Schedule.

1169
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:23,920
It's the last bullet.

1170
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:28,860
This is California Environmental Quality Act and State Legislative Updates as necessary.

1171
01:29:29,380 --> 01:29:29,840
Yeah, got it.

1172
01:29:30,960 --> 01:29:31,580
Great, great.

1173
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,540
And my last comment, I'm so sorry, but then that's it.

1174
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:47,880
Is Chair Warner, what you may not be aware of was that I did have some conversation with staff about whether the department,

1175
01:29:50,660 --> 01:29:58,800
can weather code applies to sculptures and art on private property.

1176
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,440
The feedback I got, which is maybe why I think director Miguel probably put it on here, was that it could be considered an accessory building.

1177
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:21,920
And there's code that you have to follow for accessory building. So I would say, if we determine that it falls into the category of accessory building.

1178
01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:33,180
We just structure, sorry, it says building in the code, but, okay, structure. Then we do then I would like to see this reviewed.

1179
01:30:33,780 --> 01:30:40,040
If we determine that it does not fall in the category of an accessory structure, then there's no need.

1180
01:30:40,780 --> 01:30:45,160
So let me respond to that, because I may be with a little hasty in responding director.

1181
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:50,680
But these are not recommended amendments.

1182
01:30:50,860 --> 01:30:57,000
These are amendments to potentially be considered by staff to recommend to the planning commission.

1183
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:58,200
And go to the process.

1184
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:02,260
And I have a, as I think Ms. Verdeck knows,

1185
01:31:02,260 --> 01:31:08,240
I have a particular position on private art that I would probably,

1186
01:31:08,780 --> 01:31:14,100
and in the long run basically say it doesn't pass the left test for being an accessory building,

1187
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:18,660
particularly if it's simply somebody's decision that they don't like the art.

1188
01:31:19,260 --> 01:31:24,060
That said, if what you want to do is these are not recommended amendments.

1189
01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:28,440
These are simply amendments that staff may forward to the planning commission for consideration.

1190
01:31:28,780 --> 01:31:30,600
We may decide them up or down.

1191
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:37,140
As long as we're making that clear to the city council, I know Public Art has certainly been a controversial issue in front of the city council.

1192
01:31:37,140 --> 01:31:42,640
And others, I also know because I participated in the Parks and Recreation Commission's

1193
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:42,980
consideration.

1194
01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:50,620
The public art is that Parks and Recreation Commission and the city are engaged in trying

1195
01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:58,320
to update what was a very probably inadequate public art policy and process that was available.

1196
01:31:58,820 --> 01:32:03,060
That said, I'm fine at keeping this mentioned as long as we make clear to the City Council

1197
01:32:03,060 --> 01:32:06,300
that the Planning Commission is not necessarily recommending any of these amendments

1198
01:32:06,300 --> 01:32:11,840
at this time. No, these are simply items that we will take through a process.

1199
01:32:11,940 --> 01:32:16,280
I'm fine with that. And that the commission will be asked to consider all of the information

1200
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:21,080
in the record at that time. I'm fine with that. That's, and I think that's very true of all these

1201
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:27,820
items because I think they have an opportunity for us to, as a planning commission, consider what

1202
01:32:27,820 --> 01:32:34,280
staff brings to us. And we may amend the degree, disagree, not a doc. I'm fine with that. So let's

1203
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,920
to keep it in. Thank you. Thanks for that interpretation.

1204
01:32:39,940 --> 01:32:42,640
Other commissioners, comments, suggestions.

1205
01:32:43,500 --> 01:32:48,840
I was just thinking would it be good to add something where we review the hazard

1206
01:32:49,620 --> 01:32:51,760
this volume to.

1207
01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:53,900
It's not within our jurisdiction.

1208
01:32:55,660 --> 01:32:56,680
Can I finish my sentence?

1209
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:09,370
If you want, I think it's an important topic and I don't know if it needs to be a bullet point or whatever,

1210
01:33:09,750 --> 01:33:19,950
but or a work plan, but you know, I think it's the city's due diligence now to review the chapter that was written for saying,

1211
01:33:20,030 --> 01:33:26,750
you know, before it gets adopted and kind of really go through it. So I would like to add that to the work plan.

1212
01:33:26,750 --> 01:33:31,410
If possible, if not, I'm just kind of...

1213
01:33:31,410 --> 01:33:41,250
Is that the purview of the council and certainly Commission or Covel can weigh in with the council, you know, even in advance after reviewing it?

1214
01:33:41,630 --> 01:33:45,490
I've already submitted my comments, so it's just more of a public...

1215
01:33:45,490 --> 01:33:52,050
I thought it would be helpful for public to like review it and, you know, have a chance to talk.

1216
01:33:52,050 --> 01:33:55,310
that they will have a chance in front of the city council to review it all

1217
01:33:55,310 --> 01:33:58,490
with everyone else personally or anybody.

1218
01:33:58,770 --> 01:34:01,930
It's just to start a planning commission jurisdiction item.

1219
01:34:02,410 --> 01:34:05,910
I don't think that the chair, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to inject what I can do.

1220
01:34:06,090 --> 01:34:12,310
I can go ahead and I can ask, and if there's any access for it to be, if the commission

1221
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:15,770
as a majority doesn't object, we can bring it back.

1222
01:34:15,950 --> 01:34:20,230
I don't believe it is in the jurisdiction, but I can certainly verify.

1223
01:34:20,230 --> 01:34:28,430
You'll see in the sections that were informational, I did list it, which is our first item that came back before you all this evening.

1224
01:34:29,150 --> 01:34:33,370
And I thought that was a great discussion, but I can certainly check.

1225
01:34:34,150 --> 01:34:37,930
And again, I don't object to what we did this evening, which is informational and educational,

1226
01:34:38,830 --> 01:34:47,350
but I would not recommend that the planning commission take on something that's only perfectly related to the zoning code and our planning.

1227
01:34:47,350 --> 01:34:51,590
But again, defer to the director to bring back any recommendation.

1228
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:54,590
I just would not include it in the work plan at this point.

1229
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,000
Other comments, additions, subtractions?

1230
01:35:00,340 --> 01:35:04,160
My only comment is I read it all and I like the layout.

1231
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,240
I like the trainings, the informational trainings.

1232
01:35:07,940 --> 01:35:09,480
Looks like we have a full plate.

1233
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:13,920
I think it's good.

1234
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:23,670
So again, are you all right with my two recommendations on the addition

1235
01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:32,790
related to downtown, specific business standards and economic development as well as the ongoing

1236
01:35:32,790 --> 01:35:35,890
if available review objective versus subjective standards?

1237
01:35:36,470 --> 01:35:42,550
Yes, I think just as long as the commission understands that what we've provided you

1238
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:49,450
is our full play, but things change, I don't have any issue with adding it, our city manager

1239
01:35:49,450 --> 01:35:52,610
and City Council, let me have a different opinion.

1240
01:35:53,430 --> 01:35:58,430
So let's not, we're not holding to what is written here.

1241
01:35:59,350 --> 01:36:01,350
Just as long as the commission knows that.

1242
01:36:01,550 --> 01:36:08,230
And this is again an attempt to strategize a little bit better annually.

1243
01:36:08,850 --> 01:36:12,250
I think these are good recommendations that I'm pulling from

1244
01:36:12,250 --> 01:36:16,030
from those studies that have occurred and I'm a new person here.

1245
01:36:16,030 --> 01:36:21,350
And so part of the goal is that our committees and commissions are moving in this direction

1246
01:36:21,350 --> 01:36:24,990
ultimately in our city council and everybody is on the same page.

1247
01:36:25,610 --> 01:36:35,050
So if I can, so I'm so glad Chair Warner brought up DSP and I know that the projects, you know, the bigger scope,

1248
01:36:35,410 --> 01:36:41,550
the original scope of the project is on hold. However, I do think there are very important parts of it

1249
01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:47,210
our low-hanging fruit that I'd love to see sooner than later, and I think Council has asked for this too,

1250
01:36:47,890 --> 01:36:55,310
and that is way-finding signs. So I don't know if that would ever come back to this.

1251
01:36:55,330 --> 01:36:59,990
It would be a kind of part of the, I think we are going to have an overall kind of general review

1252
01:36:59,990 --> 01:37:05,610
of our sign ordinances, which might include way-finding signs too. Am I correct and remembering that?

1253
01:37:05,610 --> 01:37:13,790
possibly, we do have the sign ordinance coming back. I will say that way finding signs typically

1254
01:37:13,790 --> 01:37:20,950
are in public rights of way or on public properties. There may be an opportunity where some

1255
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:26,810
of the signage might be on a private building. But we're looking into that. That being said, it is

1256
01:37:26,810 --> 01:37:31,730
on our radar. I do want to let Commissioner Frederick know that that actually is something that

1257
01:37:31,730 --> 01:37:40,710
city managers, a big proponent of. He has asked that I'd be part of that process, whether

1258
01:37:40,710 --> 01:37:45,730
it's coming back to the commission or a different body depending on what we're proposing,

1259
01:37:46,230 --> 01:37:48,070
but that is on the radar of the city.

1260
01:37:48,410 --> 01:37:55,150
I just noticed one correction, which I think Commissioner Covell, I probably should have noted,

1261
01:37:55,150 --> 01:37:59,350
You list the general plan annual review as discretionary,

1262
01:37:59,350 --> 01:38:01,190
subject to workload and capacity.

1263
01:38:02,690 --> 01:38:05,890
I think it needs to be under the actual mandatory work plan,

1264
01:38:06,410 --> 01:38:07,830
the general plan annual review.

1265
01:38:09,090 --> 01:38:11,810
I would move it to the actual work plan.

1266
01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:16,350
So this is two different sections.

1267
01:38:16,610 --> 01:38:19,950
One are anticipated land use application projects

1268
01:38:19,950 --> 01:38:21,390
and the other policy projects.

1269
01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:26,770
it's required. We're going to bring it.

1270
01:38:27,150 --> 01:38:29,090
Well, then maybe make sure that.

1271
01:38:29,090 --> 01:38:31,470
Hopefully we do it this fiscal year.

1272
01:38:31,810 --> 01:38:33,130
We're on the motion for it.

1273
01:38:33,550 --> 01:38:41,190
We're behind, and all I want to do is make sure that this isn't listed to the city council as subject to

1274
01:38:42,390 --> 01:38:45,250
the capacity available capacity of the staff.

1275
01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:46,910
It is a mandatory item.

1276
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:52,550
And so maybe what you just do is put general after general plan annual review put per

1277
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:58,410
and mandatory annual or put mandatory to be sure that's that's that's reference.

1278
01:38:59,790 --> 01:39:00,990
Thank you.

1279
01:39:02,110 --> 01:39:04,330
I'll just do a little plug on that.

1280
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:09,010
That most of our departments have reviewed.

1281
01:39:09,250 --> 01:39:15,290
They've done the first part of reviewing what our general plan policies are our next step

1282
01:39:15,290 --> 01:39:20,710
and they are aware that it will come back out to them again and when it does they'll be updating

1283
01:39:20,710 --> 01:39:25,570
what they've been what they've how they've complied and implemented the general plan over time.

1284
01:39:26,410 --> 01:39:33,330
That's going to take some handholding and some time but my goal is to get it back to you all this year.

1285
01:39:33,730 --> 01:39:39,470
Yeah, let's get it back so that when they're not backed up into the next annual review for the next year.

1286
01:39:39,470 --> 01:39:48,180
Thank you. That's all. If there's no further discussion with these comments and changes,

1287
01:39:48,940 --> 01:39:54,360
I'd entertain, do we need a motion? I think we do. It's a plan and commission action. We need to.

1288
01:39:54,360 --> 01:40:01,080
I just have a one to add to the Brown Act and Robert's rules of order TBD as necessary.

1289
01:40:02,860 --> 01:40:10,340
It would be good to just maybe have a little clarity on social media like Brown Act,

1290
01:40:10,340 --> 01:40:21,800
violations and what get a little more direction from legal and what training maybe we need some

1291
01:40:21,800 --> 01:40:27,720
training on that I think you'll hear more from me during my report. Oh good yeah that was a good

1292
01:40:27,720 --> 01:40:32,960
ad. Yeah good ad. Can you start developing? Yeah it's not as necessary it's we should be getting on going

1293
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:39,880
updates and training on those matters as well as the secret. Okay with that I'd entertain a motion

1294
01:40:40,820 --> 01:40:44,840
for approval of the work plan as we've discussed and amended.

1295
01:40:49,850 --> 01:40:58,690
I'll make a motion to approve the work plan with the additions expressed by the commissioners.

1296
01:40:59,310 --> 01:41:00,390
Go here second.

1297
01:41:02,130 --> 01:41:02,990
Any further discussion?

1298
01:41:04,210 --> 01:41:05,670
If not, please call the roll.

1299
01:41:07,110 --> 01:41:07,910
Commissioner Colwell.

1300
01:41:09,110 --> 01:41:09,290
Yes.

1301
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:10,550
Commissioner Lopez?

1302
01:41:11,050 --> 01:41:11,370
Yes.

1303
01:41:11,950 --> 01:41:12,670
Vice chair for it.

1304
01:41:13,010 --> 01:41:13,210
Yes.

1305
01:41:13,210 --> 01:41:22,890
Chair Warner. Yes. The motion passes unanimously. Thank you. Okay. We're on to elections.

1306
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:29,050
Has there been any time for campaigning? No. Is that our next item and director?

1307
01:41:30,130 --> 01:41:31,330
Yes. That's our next item.

1308
01:41:33,150 --> 01:41:35,510
There's not really any presentation on this.

1309
01:41:36,070 --> 01:41:42,630
It's the way that it works is typically someone will nominate a person to be chair.

1310
01:41:42,630 --> 01:41:44,530
than people will vote.

1311
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:47,530
There could be nominations for more than one.

1312
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:49,590
So I just want to make sure that that's clear.

1313
01:41:50,330 --> 01:41:53,090
And once that vote is done, then you move on to Vice Chair

1314
01:41:53,090 --> 01:41:55,190
and the same process occurs.

1315
01:41:55,330 --> 01:41:56,390
No questions.

1316
01:41:56,630 --> 01:41:57,310
Are there any nominations?

1317
01:41:58,090 --> 01:42:02,110
I would like to nominate Chris Warner as Chair.

1318
01:42:02,990 --> 01:42:04,010
Okay. Thank you.

1319
01:42:04,330 --> 01:42:05,170
Any other nominations?

1320
01:42:06,850 --> 01:42:18,170
I need any any we could take take also vice chair nominations together less director you think we need to do this separately I would I would do them separately because

1321
01:42:19,090 --> 01:42:23,250
All right, let's pretend that it was voted down.

1322
01:42:23,650 --> 01:42:24,370
Okay.

1323
01:42:24,370 --> 01:42:26,590
Any further nominations?

1324
01:42:27,630 --> 01:42:38,130
I'd have a question about, like, the, the autumn's seat. Now, what happens with that if

1325
01:42:38,130 --> 01:42:45,210
somebody comes on in? Yeah, that could happen at any, I mean they might not get filled

1326
01:42:45,210 --> 01:42:52,570
for four months. So, as a really what we would have done last time was voted for another

1327
01:42:52,570 --> 01:42:58,610
chair and another vice chair but we were pretty impacted that meeting and so and for staffing

1328
01:42:58,610 --> 01:43:04,910
reasons we pushed it to this meeting but it would day would just be in line for the next

1329
01:43:04,910 --> 01:43:13,610
time which is a year out. Any further discussions or questions if not can we call for a vote

1330
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:14,610
on the nomination.

1331
01:43:19,100 --> 01:43:21,540
I think we still have to second and then.

1332
01:43:22,580 --> 01:43:23,500
High second it.

1333
01:43:23,500 --> 01:43:23,760
Okay.

1334
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,580
You can abstain if you don't want to vote.

1335
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:43,780
Commissioner Covell?

1336
01:43:44,220 --> 01:43:44,960
abstain.

1337
01:43:45,420 --> 01:43:46,060
Commissioner Lopez?

1338
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:46,960
Yes.

1339
01:43:47,860 --> 01:43:48,640
Vice chair Ferdick?

1340
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,840
And chair Warner?

1341
01:43:51,060 --> 01:43:51,320
Yes.

1342
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:54,620
The motion passes three to one.

1343
01:43:55,220 --> 01:43:58,340
Out three three to zero one abstain.

1344
01:44:00,430 --> 01:44:00,770
Okay.

1345
01:44:00,770 --> 01:44:07,890
nominations for Vice Chair, I would nominate Commissioner Ferdick for Vice Chair again if she is willing to accept.

1346
01:44:08,830 --> 01:44:08,970
Yes.

1347
01:44:10,370 --> 01:44:11,710
I second it.

1348
01:44:11,810 --> 01:44:14,610
First of all, any other nominations? Let's see if there are any other nominations.

1349
01:44:16,050 --> 01:44:22,470
If not, I don't think we need to technically second for an nomination, but what?

1350
01:44:23,290 --> 01:44:23,390
Yeah.

1351
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:25,650
So any discussion?

1352
01:44:28,200 --> 01:44:30,900
If no further discussion, can we call the roll?

1353
01:44:33,340 --> 01:44:35,940
Commissioner Colwell, abstain.

1354
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:37,580
Commissioner Lopez?

1355
01:44:38,220 --> 01:44:38,500
Yes.

1356
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:40,000
Nice chair for it.

1357
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:40,520
Yes.

1358
01:44:41,140 --> 01:44:41,620
Chair Warner.

1359
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:42,160
Yes.

1360
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:45,500
The motion passes three, zero, one, zero.

1361
01:44:47,080 --> 01:44:47,300
Okay.

1362
01:44:49,020 --> 01:44:54,720
That concludes these agenda items, but we have reports and updates from director.

1363
01:44:56,460 --> 01:44:59,960
Yes, so I have a few, some of them may not be popular, some of them may not be popular.

1364
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
So apologize in advance. But one of them that will be popular is that we will have a training in August, and it will be our county council coming to the commission, and they will be training on Brown Act, our bylaws, our ordinance code, and you know, general conduct, during that time as well, they'll also likely be looking at those guide books that you were provided.

1365
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:38,220
I've asked them to take a new look at those and for me to be able to look at them and we'll hopefully be presenting

1366
01:45:38,940 --> 01:45:42,980
new ones to you all that we're all in the same page and

1367
01:45:42,980 --> 01:45:45,200
our updated. So that's in

1368
01:45:46,780 --> 01:45:51,520
August and I believe it's Andreas who will be here to do that training.

1369
01:45:52,980 --> 01:45:54,940
Is that county council or city attorney?

1370
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:56,500
What did I say?

1371
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:57,220
Is it county council?

1372
01:45:57,220 --> 01:45:59,480
So that's automatic, that's from your car.

1373
01:45:59,480 --> 01:46:00,380
I elect from you.

1374
01:46:00,540 --> 01:46:04,640
Yeah, it's our city attorneys will be here.

1375
01:46:04,920 --> 01:46:08,760
And you might want to check around on commissioners availability

1376
01:46:08,760 --> 01:46:13,300
in August because I know I'm out last 10 days of August.

1377
01:46:13,740 --> 01:46:14,580
But others may have to.

1378
01:46:14,580 --> 01:46:16,400
I am too out of the end of August.

1379
01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:19,060
So we'll do that the meeting.

1380
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,700
So let me jump to the next.

1381
01:46:22,860 --> 01:46:24,660
OK, I will check on that.

1382
01:46:25,320 --> 01:46:25,940
Thank you.

1383
01:46:26,140 --> 01:46:26,540
OK.

1384
01:46:26,540 --> 01:46:30,720
I'm going to do some positive things before I do what I think might not go over very well.

1385
01:46:31,500 --> 01:46:36,320
But you all may have heard that we're looking through through different items.

1386
01:46:36,540 --> 01:46:46,720
We were looking at providing a new service to the city that includes automated sign-up and sign-off of notifications.

1387
01:46:47,560 --> 01:46:52,820
So they can be called sometimes listserv, but basically they're interested parties list through our website.

1388
01:46:52,820 --> 01:47:07,300
And so, the public is now able to, once the word I'm looking for, thank you, subscribe for different topic areas.

1389
01:47:07,480 --> 01:47:12,020
So, for example, you might have the spring vineyard housing development.

1390
01:47:12,360 --> 01:47:18,000
You might have for our stakes here in planning the ADU ordinance, short-term rental.

1391
01:47:18,120 --> 01:47:20,460
We're creating those lists online right now.

1392
01:47:20,460 --> 01:47:29,040
They'll be notified this opportunity is going to be going out to the public on Thursday through probably a news blast

1393
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:36,100
And we're really excited about it. I know this is something that worked really well for me in a different jurisdiction

1394
01:47:37,140 --> 01:47:37,760
and

1395
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,100
luckily here in our city

1396
01:47:40,100 --> 01:47:44,140
We have the ability to have this, but we weren't using it and implementing it.

1397
01:47:48,600 --> 01:47:49,220
So

1398
01:47:49,220 --> 01:47:55,200
As much as our planning commission meetings and he heard that this was a desire and he really assisted and jumped on this for us.

1399
01:47:55,300 --> 01:47:58,880
And so I'm really excited to share that with you all.

1400
01:48:00,140 --> 01:48:06,760
The planning commission meetings are not part of that for some regulatory reason, but other general topics.

1401
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,040
So you'll see, you'll see those coming forward.

1402
01:48:09,300 --> 01:48:17,080
And I recommend that you all sign up so you get some information and as individuals you can look at what's happening in our department.

1403
01:48:17,080 --> 01:48:23,160
I think that's great, and what I would suggest is that it's not a one and done notification

1404
01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:30,760
to the public to sign up periodically, you may want to go out and say, hey, please subscribe

1405
01:48:30,760 --> 01:48:34,920
if you wish to the following, because one of the things we've noticed on the planning

1406
01:48:34,920 --> 01:48:40,100
commission through various applications as well as workshops and things like that, the

1407
01:48:40,100 --> 01:48:47,060
public will come in and say, well I never heard about it, but they did, you know, they

1408
01:48:47,620 --> 01:48:58,120
So, I like the idea, and certainly, I probably am the worst offender, and then I signed up multiple times for the newsletter, so I get about five copies of the newsletter.

1409
01:48:59,960 --> 01:49:01,600
Luckily, this probably shouldn't happen.

1410
01:49:02,520 --> 01:49:03,920
But it's a great initiative.

1411
01:49:04,340 --> 01:49:04,500
Great.

1412
01:49:05,100 --> 01:49:05,400
Yeah.

1413
01:49:06,860 --> 01:49:08,980
You know, I think staffs excited to do this as well.

1414
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:11,760
I think the public once they understand it will.

1415
01:49:11,760 --> 01:49:20,920
It'll be really helpful for being open and transparent and keeping everybody aware, so it'll be great.

1416
01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:26,280
Snail mail is kind of not trendy anymore, so this is the new way.

1417
01:49:29,160 --> 01:49:32,840
PC work plan we talked about, I'll be taking that to the City Council.

1418
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:35,400
I'll talk with our City Manager shortly.

1419
01:49:36,940 --> 01:49:42,820
I wanted to remind the commissioners to reach out to our staff when you have items.

1420
01:49:43,060 --> 01:49:49,160
I know a commissioner for it did as well as you chair Warner but when we have items that

1421
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:54,680
are coming it's really important and helpful for staff to be aware before we're at the meeting

1422
01:49:54,680 --> 01:49:59,100
so we're not caught off guard and so that we really want to try and be helpful to you all,

1423
01:49:59,820 --> 01:50:03,980
you know we take our job really seriously and we want to make sure that

1424
01:50:03,980 --> 01:50:11,260
yourselves in the public have ample information, and so I just really want to push that a

1425
01:50:11,260 --> 01:50:19,580
little bit more to each of you. I'll probably remind you all over and over and over for a little

1426
01:50:19,580 --> 01:50:26,120
bit. Okay, last thing, which may not be as thrilling for you all, but we are moving towards

1427
01:50:26,700 --> 01:50:32,660
at this point one planning commission meeting per month. We are short staffed. It is an exceptional

1428
01:50:32,660 --> 01:50:39,240
amount of administrative work that goes into putting in our agendas and over the last month

1429
01:50:39,240 --> 01:50:45,920
and a half we trialed our ability to do this and it really takes away from what our focus

1430
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:54,700
plans supposed to be which is the actual work. And so we are moving towards once a month from

1431
01:50:54,700 --> 01:51:01,380
here forward. It'll be the what we thought was the second meeting of the month that allows

1432
01:51:01,380 --> 01:51:07,540
as a better opportunity we thought through this of how to plan throughout the month and make

1433
01:51:07,540 --> 01:51:15,440
sure noticing works well. I will also note that I'm in discussions of potentially amending

1434
01:51:15,440 --> 01:51:22,140
the bylaws and the reason is there's an inconsistency with what our code says. So our code says

1435
01:51:22,140 --> 01:51:30,680
one meeting per month. Our bylaws said two and so will likely be updating those. I've been here now

1436
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:35,820
or over three months, I've observed some of the bigger projects

1437
01:51:35,820 --> 01:51:37,740
that we've taken forward with you all.

1438
01:51:37,860 --> 01:51:40,920
I don't see that there's a need for two meetings.

1439
01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:45,340
That being said, that doesn't mean that if there's a project that comes

1440
01:51:45,340 --> 01:51:50,060
forward, that deserves its own meeting, that we can't do a special meeting.

1441
01:51:51,700 --> 01:51:59,270
And that if there is, for some reason, slated, you know, five big projects,

1442
01:51:59,490 --> 01:52:00,810
you know, we'll do two meetings.

1443
01:52:00,810 --> 01:52:07,990
So, there's always that ability and that's what I'm very good at this across all the jurisdictions.

1444
01:52:08,710 --> 01:52:15,850
When there's a bottleneck that's coming, we will survey you all to see if we can get a special hearing.

1445
01:52:17,590 --> 01:52:24,130
I'm very happy about having one meeting a month with that discretion that if there's, for example,

1446
01:52:24,910 --> 01:52:30,730
time is money for a lot of applicants so that there's an application ready to come even if it seems like a small application.

1447
01:52:30,730 --> 01:52:38,770
but it's not not available for a meeting for 30 days. I'm perfectly willing to have a special

1448
01:52:38,770 --> 01:52:43,870
meeting so that the applicants don't suffer the delay, but I agree with you probably with the

1449
01:52:43,870 --> 01:52:49,050
workload you've got. You need to you have a discretion to be able to do one meeting a month.

1450
01:52:49,190 --> 01:52:54,530
Yeah, we really want to do the work. We have it. We've found that we've not been able

1451
01:52:54,530 --> 01:53:00,090
over the last month and a half and so this is a really good happy medium for us.

1452
01:53:00,090 --> 01:53:08,190
Well, and that's my big concern, too, is just that we don't delay, you know, the applicant's

1453
01:53:08,190 --> 01:53:15,870
time. And you may not know this. Actually, none of you may know this, but we had a terrible reputation

1454
01:53:16,810 --> 01:53:25,630
for decades, maybe, but years for really being slowed, you know, in our planning and building

1455
01:53:25,630 --> 01:53:34,410
department and we did I think and I wasn't involved but others were made a lot of improvements

1456
01:53:34,410 --> 01:53:39,810
in that area and I would hate for the community feel like we're taking a step back so

1457
01:53:39,810 --> 01:53:44,850
as long as you're willing to you know put a meeting put some things on you know things

1458
01:53:44,850 --> 01:53:50,090
are coming up on an agenda and applicants you know if there's an unnecessary weight we can

1459
01:53:50,090 --> 01:53:51,650
kind of pushed that through a little sooner?

1460
01:53:52,150 --> 01:53:56,410
Yeah, I will say that so far experience has been

1461
01:53:56,410 --> 01:53:59,070
the open communication with the applicants

1462
01:53:59,070 --> 01:54:03,450
has worked really well, we're moving in constant

1463
01:54:03,450 --> 01:54:06,650
direction of making that even better every time.

1464
01:54:06,910 --> 01:54:09,530
I have no desire to become less efficient

1465
01:54:10,530 --> 01:54:12,770
or less customer friendly.

1466
01:54:13,710 --> 01:54:18,190
So I kind of feel like I was brought on here to propel those things.

1467
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:27,250
I just also want to say that usually even though I live here I work pretty far away and if I

1468
01:54:27,250 --> 01:54:32,390
start seeing like a big agenda and I have to get up at four in the morning the next day and I'm

1469
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:37,510
an active construction guy and that's what I think I bring to the table and I've always asked

1470
01:54:37,510 --> 01:54:43,150
to other cities and I wish we had a construction guy and our plan commission well it's hard if I

1471
01:54:43,150 --> 01:54:49,070
are seeing that it gets long and debatable and I'd rather have two short ones whether they're

1472
01:54:49,070 --> 01:54:51,850
two or three hours, but then I got to sleep sometime, right?

1473
01:54:52,510 --> 01:54:57,090
I just want to say that how did it start seeing you might call in sick if it gets fruity

1474
01:54:57,090 --> 01:54:59,030
ugly because I got it making to work, too.

1475
01:54:59,490 --> 01:55:02,710
Luckily I think our code protects you.

1476
01:55:03,510 --> 01:55:04,110
That's fine.

1477
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:09,610
Commissioner Lopez, before you benefit, we'll bring back the Hunter subdivision matter,

1478
01:55:10,290 --> 01:55:16,670
Which for some of us took eight or nine hours in one fell swoop, but good point.

1479
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:20,990
All good, well, because the most important thing is for you is staff to pace yourself,

1480
01:55:21,090 --> 01:55:27,050
to be able to have the time to do good quality work, by the way, great quality work for this meeting today, as usual,

1481
01:55:27,670 --> 01:55:30,730
and we're happy to support you in any way we can. Thanks.

1482
01:55:31,970 --> 01:55:36,190
And I think if that's it, I think we're ready to adjourn before 8 o'clock.

1483
01:55:36,190 --> 01:55:42,750
before we adjourn on that note we are adjourning to August 18th so you wanted to make sure that

1484
01:55:42,750 --> 01:55:44,170
everybody's here.

1485
01:55:46,280 --> 01:55:50,700
I need at least a quorum so now we're down one. Let's see. We'll check.

1486
01:55:50,940 --> 01:55:55,640
And I would like to ask you what the next steps are for filling the next commissioner that

1487
01:55:55,640 --> 01:56:02,620
open seed. Thank you for that. Yes, so we have applications open and available right now.

1488
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:16,520
One of the plugs that I would provide is that I think that there is definitely a need for anybody interested in the operations of our downtown.

1489
01:56:17,080 --> 01:56:23,760
And so, you know, the not necessarily operations, but the planning projects and having that focus area.

1490
01:56:23,760 --> 01:56:32,840
So any business owners down there, any housing, strategists, those are all welcome positions

1491
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,720
here from a professional standpoint.

1492
01:56:36,140 --> 01:56:44,100
I think that that is definitely something that could benefit all of us as we move through

1493
01:56:44,100 --> 01:56:45,060
the next stages.

1494
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:46,380
Good point.

1495
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:49,220
I'm clear for the 18.

1496
01:56:49,320 --> 01:56:49,840
Okay, great.

1497
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:50,520
I'm available.

1498
01:56:51,540 --> 01:56:52,940
I believe I am, but I'll double check.

1499
01:56:52,940 --> 01:56:54,960
great. And I see Michelle looking.

1500
01:57:01,660 --> 01:57:07,280
So then the August 4th meeting would be canceled. Yes. Or maybe

1501
01:57:07,280 --> 01:57:12,700
never scheduled. Yes. So we'll be looking at what the technicalities are of that. But yes,

1502
01:57:12,760 --> 01:57:18,320
we were waiting until after this evening for me to let you all know what our plan was moving forward.

1503
01:57:19,620 --> 01:57:25,620
Very good. Great work. And with that, I will, I turn our meeting. Thank you. Good work.

1504
01:57:25,780 --> 01:57:27,640
and we'd lucky for air conditioning.