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Call of order, the governing board of the St. John's River Water Management District, February 9th, 2021, 10 o'clock a meeting.

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Welcome to the morning. I'm Doug Burnett, chair of the St. John's River Water Management District's governing board.

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For those watching our live stream, please be aware that there may be a slight delay. If you have any unexpected technical difficulties with your connection, today's video will also be available for replay.

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Follow board members for all items requiring a vote. We will do survey, roll call, ask them, let's show off in comments.

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Asking questions, reporting that you please mute your phones in order to minimize noise and the electronic effect of echo. Thank you.

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And let's begin. So, pledge of allegiance.

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Where does the flag? Okay.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag, the United States of America, and to the Republic of the St.

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One Nation, under God, and to the physical, the liberty of justice, and so on.

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One personal note, if you were at the ceremony yesterday, thank you so much for attending.

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If you notice during the pledge of allegiance, I might not put my hand over my heart. It's the customary for military to stand at the position.

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I'm standing at the position of attention without hand over heart. That really applies to uniform. I may have forgotten. I just don't remember.

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So, if it did, it was a part of our particular approach to that piece of democracy there.

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I want to thank the city of Apoco for hosting the governing board meeting.

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Really classy chambers. I always told this was a former high school basketball court.

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It's a high ceiling, but look at what a great job that the leadership had done. Mr. Mayor Mary Nelson. Thank you, sir.

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For that. I'd like to recognize our elected officials. This important.

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That's the mainstream of democracy is those that go to work for us every day.

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So, I'll just call you name pass. Okay.

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If it's never green, orange, auto-bottom, society.

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Thank you. Appreciate what you do. Auto-bottom is important to us, part of our mission as well.

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The top stamp is also served with the Auto-bottom, society. Thank you.

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Channel of Rosar, save our likes. Great group up in Keystone Heights.

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City of Apoco, Diane Bellords, File Reddit, right? Commissioner?

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Got it. Sorry about your name, ma'am.

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Just a beast, dude. I missed some of those things of text.

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And former Chairman John McClose, recognized him, former Chairman of the Board, the governing board,

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and started the project that resulted in the groundbreaking yesterday for our new facility here.

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And Mayor Brian Nelson, sir. Thank you again. Appreciate you hosting this. Nice town.

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I drove around this morning, and yesterday, and you got a lot of territory here.

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Fifty-six thousand folks you got live in Apoco, terrific.

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And Joe Kilsumer, FOLA. Sara, thank you.

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John Grady, public trust. Very good. And CCUA, let's go over it.

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There you go. Thank you. And a lean guy. Thank you. Good morning.

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George Bankson, Commissioner City of Apoco.

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Hi, sir. Thank you. Met one of your colleagues yesterday, the African-American gentleman.

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It seemed like it's kind of guy you like to be around, you know?

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Headbass Apoco City Manager. What is a big job?

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Thank you. Were you the shepherd over the renovation of this, sir?

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Nice job. Okay.

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Bo call, Burnett here, Senator Bradley.

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Here. Yes, sir. Estolen?

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Present.

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Mr. House.

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The other button, Ron.

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Jan Price. Here.

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Thank you, Doug Burnique. Here.

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Chris Peters. Here. Here.

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Here we go. Here. Contact, Ron. Good to hear you.

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Here. You always appreciate your inputs. Okay.

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Council, Director of Reflect. We do have a forum.

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Consideration item number two, approval going board item.

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It's like a scent agenda.

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Staff to have any public comments on at this point.

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No, nothing heard.

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So any board members wish to pull any items for consideration by the

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Board. Having heard none. Do we have a motion?

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Motion made by Estolen.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Peterson. Second.

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Further discussion?

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Having heard none.

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Roll call vote. Burnett. Yes.

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Bradley.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Mr. Allen.

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President, are you?

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Mr. House.

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Thanks, sir.

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Mr. Price.

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Mr. Bonee?

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Mr. Peterson.

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Yes.

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Mr. Strolley? Yes.

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Are you vote? You've announced an approved item number two, the consent agenda.

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Biosolids.

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Dr. Marsoff.

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Approach to podium.

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We have a stat of public comments.

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Thank you, Lisa.

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Just for clarity, do we want to go through the hydroportals?

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Go right to Biosolids.

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Pardon me?

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Do we want to go through the hydrologic conditions for report or go straight to Biosolids?

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Okay. Sometimes the chair gets an agenda, not exactly that system.

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So we don't see it here.

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All right.

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Let's have a hydrologic report, please.

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Good morning, Mr. Chairman.

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Members of the Board.

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Eric Marsoff, Director of the Division of Water and Land Resources.

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Here to present the February hydrologic conditions report reflecting data from the month of January.

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The purpose of this report is to provide a snapshot of hydrologic conditions throughout the district.

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The January rainfall was well below average in all but the most northern months, parts of the district.

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Eight of the districts, 18 counties had less than half an inch of rain with Indian river receiving only 0.08 inches of rain, which is interesting.

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The evaporation, the Vapotranspiration was 0.06 inches per day.

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So much more evaporation than rainfall.

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The counties that did receive the most rain was nas on the most northern part of the district received 2.8 inches of rain.

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In spite of the very low rainfall last month on an annual average.

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The district is in the average rain but ranging from 45 to 55 inches throughout the district and overall is about 1 inch below average.

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Water flow conditions throughout the district were average for this time of year on virtually all the waterways.

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In terms of volumetric flow rates, the St. John's at Melbourne was 116 million gallons per day, which corresponds to the 40th percentile for this day.

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The St. John's station at Deland was 1.6 billion gallons per day, which is at the 56th percentile and the St. John's station at Satsuma was 3.7 billion gallons per day or the 66th percentile.

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I'll now review some changes that selected lakes around the district.

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Lake Brooklyn dropped half a foot during the month.

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Lake Weir dropped 0.1 feet during the inch during the month.

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Lake Apopka, which is part of a system of lakes where we regulate water levels with water control structures.

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Stayed right at its regulation schedule through the month.

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Blue Cypress Lake, which is also one of our regulated lakes at the headwaters of the St. John's dropped for 10th of a foot during January.

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The upper floor in conditions at the end of January were in the normal range throughout much of the district with some zones still remaining in the high zone.

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Several of our wells are indicated with red triangles indicating that at those locations we had more than a 10% decline from the previous month.

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Overall, the floor in aquifer is at the 74th percentile.

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I'll next review changes in flow at select springs around the district.

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More members, if you have a comment on any of this, just jump right in.

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I don't need to recognize you certainly want to hear your comments. So if you have a question.

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And I know Dr. Marshall will be glad to hear that question.

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Go ahead.

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Absolutely. Thank you, sir.

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Main monthly flow for silver springs was 654 CFS a decline of 14 CFS.

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Main monthly flow at blue springs decreased to 180 CFS, which is remains in the high range for this time of year.

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Flow at rock springs is also in the high range, but decline to CFS for the month.

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Flow at when high was springs drop to CFS as well and is now in the high part of the normal range.

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This month I've included a drought forecast map, which suggests predicts that drier than normal conditions through the spring in spite of the welcome rainfall we received this past weekend.

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That concludes my report and be happy to address any questions.

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Looks like the west got a real problem.

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Was it drought?

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That goes to record.

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Yes.

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Equal showers.

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Well, it will be interesting to see what the heavy snow is, what the snow pack in the Sierra's and Rockies provides.

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Many of snow, but that's the one locally in terms of the streams and all.

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That's the worst of all, but not necessarily.

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Have you noticed anything in light meat?

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Do you look at that occasionally?

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Seems like a big benchmark for that area, because I know they get water and Los Angeles.

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I do look at that periodically and you know, that part, you know, the Colorado River, that area is in a prolonged drought.

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And you can see it in the bathtub ring that's visible around both.

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That makes meat and power.

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Thank you.

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Okay, is that complete your brief?

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Help.

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The biosolids of that next.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Members of the Board, Eric Mars, I've directed the Division of Water and Land Resources.

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Today, I have the first to the contracts associated with our work funded by Grant from DEP on land application of biosolids and potential water quality issues for your consideration.

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I showed you this plot last month, which illustrates the change in the land application of nitrogen and phosphorus in the upper St. Jones basin.

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And we used this data and DEP's highly detailed permit records for class B applications and compared it with our ambient water quality network data to derive a strong circumstantial case that the land application of class B biosolids is associated with the increase in phosphorus.

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We've observed in locations around the upper basin.

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In 2018, DEP created a biosolids technical advisory committee consisting of stakeholders of environmental and cultural experts, large and small utilities, waste haulers, consultants, non-governmental organizations and academics.

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That committee was convened to examine current options for biosolids management, better ways to manage biosolids to improve the protection of water resources and to consider what resource research is needed to improve biosolids management.

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The district presented our data and analyses at two of these meetings.

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The task concluded with recommendations for regulation as well as research to improve the understanding of how biosolids may contribute to water quality impairment.

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One of their recommendations was to conduct research on the nutrient runoff through both surface and groundwater, which is the project in front of you for consideration today.

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Today's items include more data collection in watersheds where biosolids have been applied and detailed study at the field scale to better understand how phosphorus moves through both surface and groundwater paths to our water bodies.

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And that's the blue square circled in yellow.

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In future months, we'll also have projects to evaluate environmental remediation technologies for fields with a long history of biosolids application and we also look at the feasibility of phosphorus recovery at wastewater treatment plants to reduce the total amount of phosphorus that winds up in the biosolids in the first place.

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Over the next year, we anticipate bringing three additional contracts for your consideration.

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At the end of this, we hope that we will have information to improve our biosolids permitting process enhance phosphorus recovery and reverse the current water quality trends we see.

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The district was diligent in its efforts to advertise this applied research opportunity and to solicit input on the development of the quest for proposals.

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On July 17, the district hosted a webinar outlining our research objectives and our intent to contract for applied research.

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This webinar was well attended with 42 faculty from 12 different universities attending.

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Ultimately, though, only one research team, a collaboration between UF and FSU submitted a proposal.

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Other universities explained they lacked the relevant experience expertise facilities and time to conduct the necessary research.

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The UF FSU research team has significant experience in the relevant areas.

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You can see they have nearly two centuries experience amongst the ten team members in soil and groundwater work.

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Nearly a centuries experience looking at organic compounds and 40 years research on biosolids themselves.

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We determined this team to be well qualified and note that the ability to rely on UF FSU's agricultural extension is an additional advantage for this work.

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Their proposal was within our budget and addressed our requested research topics and overall was rated highly by our team at 38.75 out of 40.

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The budget for this research is 604,817 with an initial planning task that will be followed by three research tasks and ultimately followed by a synthesis and reporting tasks.

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Each year in this contract will include a data delivery report.

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The investigators will present their research findings and synthesis at a symposium in February 2024 with their final report expected in April of that year.

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Staff request your approval of our request for proposals and reward of our contract to the University of Florida to improve phosphorus loading estimates associated with the land application class B biosolids.

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And with a not to exceed amount of $65,000, be happy to address any questions.

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I guess I'm the egg guy of the board and I've looked into this issue a little bit and this is nothing to do with this proposal.

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My comments are general and nature but I've worked on water quality issues for this basin since 1979 trying to improve the upper basin working closely with Henry Dean and the staff here of this district to ensure a better future for this river system.

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And as the state is grown, I've watched Dave Broward, Palm Beach County and the city of Tampa truck there, biosolids to our basin.

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They're all moving because they've all outlawed the application of biosolids and the various basin south of us.

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And yet we have a very sensitive basin with the universal lagoon and the St. John's River System that are where we're investing tens of millions to make better every day like a popgah all of the lakes or working to make a better place for our children.

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And we were recently on two big ranches that are in somewhat in my backyard and in coals backyard.

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Or they were doing it right. They were doing everything as prescribed by law. They were they were had great beautiful pastures for the cattle.

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Use applying that and doing it the right way. So this my comments are not towards people that are doing it.

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Wrong. But I think we need to take as a board, we need to take a hard look, because Florida is continuing to grow exponentially with this tremendous

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gross effort we're going through and we're going to get more of this product. And all that it has inside of it, which are the chemicals everybody

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ingest and the long-term impacts they'll have in the dry and wet part of the biosolids. I just think

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we need to work closely with the utilities and encourage their next step in technology to, so that

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the biosolids are at the next level. There is technology available already that they can

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is expensive, but if they want to invest in the next level, the biosolids are a much higher grade

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and much safer. It's not upon us of this district, but it's upon, I think, the utilities to take that

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next step. And I know they're expensive for the counties of Palm Beach, State, Broward,

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a Lee County, a lot of them that are shipping it towards us. I understand that I'm in a business where

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every dollar hurts is citrus grower, but I think you need to, I think we need to be a part of that,

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thinking process to push them to make that product better. And I hate for our river system that

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this governing board is to govern over to be degraded by accepting everybody else's unwanted biosolids.

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Because they don't want them in Dave County, they don't want them in Palm Beach, they don't want them

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in Broward County. They don't want to dump it in their own backyard, yet we're putting it in our backyard.

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And I just think we need to take a good, hard look at that. I think it deserves a broader look.

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And the egg folks have done it right. They're applying it right by law with the E.P. standards.

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My guys have looked into it in citrus and we're not allowed to do it because of our trading partners.

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It's not a lot on fresh fruit vegetables. You can't have it or Europe and Japan and all our major

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ports that we ship to don't allow it. So we can't do it. So our guys have backed away from it.

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And the 500,000 acres of citrus. But I'd sink and need to deserve the hard look. Thank you.

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Thank you. Thank you Doug. Appreciate that. If I might follow up. Just a real quick.

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Doug, you talked about it's very, it's more expensive for the utilities to treat it to a better level.

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But I'm not so sure that in the end that it's less of a cost because it's so expensive for us to take it out of the

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environment once it is there. And I think as we see over and over again,

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remediation is tremendously more expensive than just dealing with it at its source.

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And quite frankly, those utilities, they're charging customers. So it is their waste that they're

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having to dispose of. So they really should bear the cost. It shouldn't be upon us in the St. John's

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River Water Management or the St. John's River. He takes 89% of all of the state's biosolids end up here in

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the St. John's River mostly in the waters. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Well, last month we were at Desiree

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Ranch, 300,000 acres. And I saw 18 wheeler after 18 wheeler. That's what are they doing here.

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Hearing all the biosolids, I wonder where they were taking it, too. But certainly something we

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got to look at. That's a good input. Yes, madam. That had a question. Could you go back a couple of slides

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to the slide that had the yellow box around the that one. Yes. So can you tell me at what point

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you should wear this project with the square around or the yellow square around it went through

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2024. Can you tell me where those next two projects, the environmental remediation and the next project,

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the resource recovery, where those come in and what timeline? They're going to be a little bit delayed

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after this work. To your point, Doug, Mr. Grinique, we completely agree that the operators are working

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within their permits. We think there's a gap in the permitting framework that doesn't anticipate

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how the phosphorous is moving off the fields. And that's what this work is to better understand.

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I understand that. I'm not talking against this research. We need to do this.

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But I think the bigger picture we need is, yes, we need you and the great staff here to take a hard look at

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how we can press utilities to take that next step and to take a hard look because even the gray water

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that's going on the golf courses along these coasts and old fishing holes that I know very well

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in the bank and the mangrove back part of any river county in the guard county. Now have the algae outbreaks

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that never did because they've accepted gray water and the golf courses along the barrier island. And so

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there's a phosphorus loading coming off of that that was not planned. And these were beautiful,

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pristine places until they started accepting the gray water. So the whole complex puzzle of what

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we do when we flood their toilets is still a toughie. Yeah, as a society we need to take a hard look at that

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and invest in it or it's going to really hurt this river system. And I think that while that's a subject

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matter of extraordinary complex discussion, sooner Bradley could probably help us with how you would

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go about that from a legislative perspective. Well, it seems like it's a higher order than just

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our district. Yes, certainly our district needs to take it on somewhere the data needs to be pushed

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to legislators and say, okay, do you want to make this difference? Sure. Just a quick question for you.

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I know that I'm not calling with asking about the square box in yellow and that program is going

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to run at 2024. I just want to make sure that we're not talking about these not starting these next two

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boxes or mediation technology pilots and the research recovery options that we're not waiting to

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2024 to start researching those. And what would be running parallel paths on all of these not

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consecutive paths? No, point taken and you will see all of the contracts for all four of those boxes

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in this year within several months. Anything we can do to accelerate addressing this problem is going to

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I think save the district a lot of money and a long time because, you know, to the point over there,

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it's very expensive to get it out of the system once it's in there, right? And this work will really help

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guide, amending the rule framework for how biosolids are applied. And this piece will leverage what we learn

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and look at how we can, what can we do on the fields between the fields and the water bodies to

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prevent that phosphorus from reaching the water bodies? But I think the long term solution is this last

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box which is, how can we recover phosphorus at the wastewater treatment plant? Right now, wastewater

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treatment plant gets a pipe in and there are two outlets. One is reclaimed or effluent. The other is biosolids.

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We really need that third alternative, a resource recovery of phosphorus. And the end result then

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is both reclaimed water at a lower concentration that we can use as an alternative water supply and also

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biosolids, which are then with a nitrogen phosphorus ratio that's agronomically sensible that then can be

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a land applied to take advantage of their agronomic value that they have because of all the carbon and

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organics and nutrients. The challenge now is that the phosphorus is so high that when you apply

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based on end, which is the current rule framework, you over apply for phosphorus. So that last piece of

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creating the third outlet at the wastewater treatment plant, I think is really the, to my mind,

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the most likely solution in the long term. So what's the, what's the normal term duration for these

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permits? Are they five years, ten years longer? I think it's changed. I want to say five five

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requirements. So they'll be coming up for renewal on a fairly regular basis and there's room for

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adjustments as you pointed out there's a gap perhaps in the permitting. Right and part of the advisory

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committee's recommendation was for DDP to more closely track applicants and I think they're doing

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that. I think ultimately amending that process for the application permitting. Yeah, that's one

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way to get a handle on this. You start to turn things. That was probably so I agree with that. But I think

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we need to give them a heads up maybe in newsletter. Hey, this is what we're looking at. We've gotten

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a grant. So they can see down range for their long range strategic plans how to deal with

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biosolids because rather than come up the application, well, if you're not doing this, we can't go there and

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that's probably not there either. So we need to give them a heads up. It's coming. You got some time.

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Maybe we want to adjust your processes, your workers strategic plan to accommodate what probably is

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going to happen in the next 35 years. I think the utility industry is pretty aware of what's going

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on. There's a shift in biosolids from Class B, which are what we're talking about here,

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which are highly regulated by DEP, to Class A, which undergo greater disinfection and essentially

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become characterized as fertilizer and applied there. So there's a general shift towards

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the utility perspective towards Class A, creating a higher value product that then they can use.

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But there's still remains that elevated phosphorus relative to nitrogen in Class A. And again,

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so that's in my mind why this phosphorus recovery at the plant, so that whether it's Class A or Class B,

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it's balanced in its and in P will be who regulates the fertilizer application.

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Then it becomes the purview of the Florida Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services.

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And the permit the reporting for fertilizer is nothing like what you see for Class B.

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Which goes the point that if they move more and more to Class A, it's not taking the Tier P out or the

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application of it, it's just the reporting goes down tremendously. So we don't really know

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sometimes where that would be even being applied within the St. John's River.

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That's correct. For the Class B permitting, we know which field, when, how much, what facility

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provided the material? For Class A, it will be fertilizer, which I think we learn about on a county-wide

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basis annually. So a very different density of data available.

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Thank you for the questions. Dr. Ortell. Senator Bradley's trying to be

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well. I'm sorry. Sir Bradley, Chair of Reckonology, and sorry I didn't hear the call. Go ahead, sir.

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That's the date, can you hear me? Yes, sir. Copy line, Claire. Go ahead.

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Right. I just wanted to follow up on some of the things that Doug and Ron had talked about

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as well as Susan. I think it's important at this moment in time to recognize why we're here

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in the history of what has happened. The folks in South Florida are obviously facing a lot of the challenges

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that we're facing when it comes to water quality. We care deeply about their concerns and the

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Everglades and all the things that they're dealing with. But make sure to make them a sick

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out of the decision that they made was very deliberate and very straightforward. They decided

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this isn't going to be our problem anymore. And we're going to take this so we're going to jump it

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on Prince and North Florida. And that was a policy decision that was made. And I appreciate our

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abilities, our research, and understand the nuances of what has happened. And we need to do that and I

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support the item on the agenda today. And I'm glad that we're learning more about it. But I

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think that we know what is going on. There's already evidence on the record sufficient to demonstrate

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that this policy decision has negative effects on the things on river. So while I understand the

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idea of giving people as up and when there's opportunity to address this matter, what I'm trying

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to understand a little bit better is what are our authorities as a district? And this is a question directed

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to our attorney and her staff. Because I personally, with what's for those options, for instance,

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do we have rule making authority to do what was done in South Florida? I know that was done by legislative

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actions. But district have the ability to do things as well. Do we put a more authority on these

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activities until such time as we get further research? I would like a menu of options to get more

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breath of now, rather than wait towards. And...

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And that's the message I want to send. And I'm sure we'll hear from our friends, and the utilities are even in

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Tallahassee about their reactions to those ideas. But that's what we have to get that conversation started. And

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and I, through my, my, I, if my vote is that over the next 30, 50 days, we get a better picture of what our options are as a district.

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And not just, you know, right now, for things we can do from regulatory standpoint to stop this from happening.

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Good, good input center, Bradley, I'm looking at General Counselor, his winkler, she's shaking her head tells me she'll get back to us at the next board meeting.

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I can do that. And the DEP is actually the Department of Environmental Protection is actually in rulemaking now. And I believe their intent is to seek ratification of those new rules at this session.

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We made a presentation today, Senate committee on the environment and natural resources last week on those rules. So they are actively engaged and happy to provide a summary of what they're doing.

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And specifically asking is what, what can we do as a district to, um, it's legally. That doesn't mean that we can't be a return.

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That doesn't mean that they may disagree and they may have commented. I'm just literally trying to find out what we'll make in power as we suggest under the DEP is doing what they're doing.

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And if the answer from legal is that it's completely within these programs, we have no stake in the matter or no ability in the matter.

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And that's meant that would surprise me because we have the authority of what we're going to do to that.

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Totally agree. We need to go to war with the weapons we have. So let's see what we have from a regulatory and legal perspective.

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And again, it's it's not a battle. It is a discussion needs to take place about what's happening to our state.

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So we'll come forward next the board meeting and have a good presentation where that is appreciate that input, Senator.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I really appreciate you indulging me and I'm sorry I can't be there with my good friends today. I have some scheduling issues that I couldn't avoid, but I really appreciate all my colleagues and friends there. Thank you.

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You bet got a good group mayor of Pocosir and we're just excited about moving forward in partnership with this great community. Okay, I'm happy.

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Great guy too former representative former colleague Brian and really.

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Good former state representative. Oh, that terrific. Okay. Well, thank you.

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This is a director Kelly any public comment cards on this issue. Okay. I don't remember three to have a motion to approve.

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So moved by Mr. Board. Any second.

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Still on second. Foot discussion. I mean, heard none have a roll call vote. Burnett. Yes, Bradley.

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Yeah.

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Dolin. Yes.

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House.

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Yes.

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Price.

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Yes.

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Yes. Peterson. Yes. And all over. Yes.

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I hear you now as vote. You approved item number three.

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Thank you. Item four.

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The Tom Lonton access road. Mr. Dale Jenkins is approaching the podium now.

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Go ahead, sir. You recognize.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good morning. Good morning board members.

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Dale Jenkins to visit the projects.

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I have two items for your consideration today. The first one is paving the Tom Lotton access road.

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This item was approved in October of 2020 as part of the Bureau of Operation and Maintenances.

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Annual work plan for fiscal year 2020, 2021.

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The recommendation reads as follows.

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Approval of the bid and award of contract to the lowest responsible and responsive bidder for paving the Tom Lotton access road project.

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The Tom Lotton resurfacing projects located west of the city of Palm Bay in the three forks conservation area.

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The section proposed for paving is a yellow portion indicated on the map to the right, which is nearly a mile long.

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The photo on the left is a Tom Lotton recreational area parking facility.

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The wreck area is a primary access point to enjoy the expansive saw grass marshes and open visitors in the three forks conservation area.

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As such, it is highly visited by the public and receives a good amount of traffic flow.

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This road was last paved about 20 years ago and is one of only two roads in the district that we routinely paved.

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The other one is just south of the Apoca field station and that's the McDonald Canal Road under North Shore.

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The Bureau of Operation Maintenance has performed temporary repairs to this road.

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These photos were taken last spring and as you can see there was a bunch of potholes.

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Additionally, the roadway cross section was flat and didn't sheet flow water to the sides of the roadway during storms.

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This road was last paved 20 years ago and it was only over the last few years that the Bureau of Operation maintenance has had to routinely pave these potholes.

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So last spring, rather than just patched the existing potholes, we decided to use a mixing machine attached to a front end motor as you can see in the photo on the left.

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This process mixes the existing pavement with the underlying lime rock base.

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Then, Operation Maintenance staff regrated the road with the end result shown in the photo on the right hand side.

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This finished project also had a little crown so the water would flow after in storm events and this cost about $12,000.

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However, this repairs only temporary, which is why we're before you today requesting to repay this.

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The district received two responses to the invitation for bid, CW Roberts submitted the winning bid.

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However, it exceeded the $125,000 budget that was in the work plan.

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Therefore, a $55,000 budget transfer as discussed in the board memo is part of the funding recommendation.

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The reason for the increased cost is that we estimated a 1-inch asphalt surface during the fiscal year 2021 budgeting process.

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We advertised the bid calling for a two-inch paid surface, which will provide a longer service life of the roadway unless short and long-term maintenance.

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And so that brings me back to the recommendation for your consideration.

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I'll be happy to take any questions.

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Tell me the thickness again of the roadbed the asphalt, the tarval talking about.

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Good. One inch to me would be one coat of pay on the houses.

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Just asking for trouble there.

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Mr. House, are you up to inches sound okay to you on this paving of the.

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Yes, sir. I spoke to Neil Jenkins and I agree with this request and his hypothesis and he and Woody have done a good job specifying what payment needs to be done.

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Thank you. And I'm sure everybody knows that Mr. House is extensive experience of the DOT boards chair and a member and in the development business.

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So he knows this piece of it quite well. Mr. Dick and you'd probably agree with that. Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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Discussion questions from the board.

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All right. We have a motion to provide a number four.

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Motion for approval, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. House. Second.

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Thank you, Mr. Oliver. And for the discussion.

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Have you heard none? We'll call for a roll call vote. Bernanke. Yes, Senator Bradley.

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Yes.

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Mr. Stone.

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Yes.

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Mr. House.

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Yes.

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It's price.

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Yes.

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Mr. Bonique. Yes.

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Peterson.

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Yes. Oliver.

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Yes.

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Are you now as vote you approved item number four.

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Thank you and I don't sit down.

408
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:17,160
We're chair calls on Mr. Jenkins on matter water control structure rehabilitation proceed.

409
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:32,160
Thank you Mr. Chairman board members. My last item for your consideration is approval of the bid and contract award for sliplining four culverts in the upper St. John's river basin.

410
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:39,160
This also was part of the Bureau of Operation Maintenance's Board approved 2020-2021 work plan.

411
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,160
The recommendation reads as follows.

412
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:50,160
Approval the bid and award of contract to the lowest responsible and responsive bidder for minor water control structure rehabilitation.

413
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,160
As local sponsor for the Army Corps of Engineers Federal projects,

414
00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:03,160
the district is required to provide underwater inspections of all culverts that perforate federal eddies and provide a report for repair recommendations.

415
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:10,160
The most significant deficiencies identified were four metal culverts in this item for your consideration.

416
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:20,160
These culverts exhibit moderate to advanced corrosion and staff determined at the most effective cost effective method of improving their condition would be sliplining.

417
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,160
These culverts are about 30 years old.

418
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:36,160
These are the locations of the four culverts structure six A is a single 48 inch corrugated metal pipe located under levy l 75 near pump station six.

419
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:40,160
These corner of the fells near water management area or FWMA.

420
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:45,160
It provides a connection between blue cypress conservation area and the FWMA.

421
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:53,160
The three remaining culverts to 52 A, B, and C all eye under levy l 78.

422
00:54:53,160 --> 00:55:04,160
L 78 is an earthen levy with a lime rock cap driving surface that forms the northern border of the four drum conservation area flows from four drum to blue cypress.

423
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:14,160
These three culverts are 60 inch corrugated metal pipes under l 78, 252 A and B are double culverts and 252 C is a single pipe.

424
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:27,160
Also 252 C transitions to a reinforced concrete pipe beneath state road 60 which is why you see the much longer length is compared to 252 A and B.

425
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:38,160
The sliplining process is relatively straight forward as discussed during the before the board last December when you approve the fells near grade CS2 sliplining repair.

426
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:47,160
In a way, every view the pipe is welded together floated into the water at whichever end the contractor feels would be the simplest to access.

427
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:56,160
Sunk and then pull through the existing culvert the void space between the new pipe in the existing pipe is filled with concrete with grout.

428
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:05,160
Excuse me pump from the surface the ends of the pipe are plugged to help limit the grout from leaking out out of the ends.

429
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:10,160
The district received two beds to responses to the invitation for bid.

430
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:21,160
Central pipe rehab submitted the winning bid at 384,634 dollars. However, it exceeded the 300,000 dollar budget for the project.

431
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:31,160
Therefore, a 84,644 dollar budget transfer is part of this recommendation as discussed in the board memo.

432
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:45,160
We set the 300,000 dollar budget based on historical budgets for annual cover repairs and estimates for cleaning and sliplining 48 inch and 60 inch pipe from a previous cost proposal.

433
00:56:45,160 --> 00:57:02,160
The increased cost that you see here was primarily due to a larger than anticipated mobilization cost for an amphibious track home to do the work to install the pipe as well as a sliplining cost of approximately 10% of an increase over what we estimated.

434
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:15,160
We could have considered just sliplining structure six A and two fifty two A and B and if you add the numbers real quick here, you can see that that gets to about 284,000 dollars, which is less than the budget.

435
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:24,160
But we recommend rehabilitating all four culverts because the bid on culvert two fifty two C, which you see here at 99,588 dollars.

436
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:30,160
There's a good chance that might go up next year if we bid it out as a single mobilization.

437
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,160
And so that brings me back to the recommendation on this item and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

438
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,160
Questions of the presenter?

439
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:47,160
I just had one quick question. Does the slipline party have the same lifespan as replacing it with an invite?

440
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:55,160
It may be even a little bit better because it'll, I think it's HDPE pipe, so it'll probably less at least 30 years.

441
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,160
Look, I good.

442
00:57:58,160 --> 00:57:59,160
Yes, sir.

443
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:06,160
This is a dumb boba question, but why wouldn't DOT kick in a part of this funding?

444
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,160
Because it's a state road.

445
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:20,160
Well, we have permission to go under state road 60, but it's part of, it's part of our work that we required to do for the court to repair the culverts.

446
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:26,160
This being the only, it goes under the levy, which is why we're doing it because it's part of our commitment to the court.

447
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:31,160
But also going under 60 is just a continuation.

448
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:40,160
And I haven't looked into that Mr. Borneak and I don't know what the answer to that would be, but we're just considering a part of the same culvert, which starts going under L78.

449
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:45,160
Well, we have a very savvy governing board member that probably can help you look into that.

450
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:47,160
Who's on the phone?

451
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:53,160
I gotcha, I heard exactly what you're saying, and I can find that out.

452
00:58:53,160 --> 00:59:07,160
The reality is, and I'm not positive, I don't know the purpose of the crossings, whether we cause the purpose and their our pipes or their, we're fixing DOT pipes.

453
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:14,160
And that really makes the difference, but we certainly know the right people to ask that question, sir.

454
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,160
Good enough.

455
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:31,160
So what we can do, whenever the questions are done, we can make a motion that's that approved subject to Jenkins talking to the DOT for any maintenance matching funds for, etc.

456
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,160
I'll get the answer to 252C.

457
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:38,160
I'll move Ron House's wording.

458
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:43,160
And Councillor, could you capture that in the motion?

459
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,160
Okay, any other questions?

460
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,160
Okay, we have a motion.

461
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:50,160
Mr. Borneak.

462
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,160
Second by Susan Dolan.

463
00:59:53,160 --> 01:00:00,160
And for the discussion, having heard none to call for the vote, Bernat, yes, sir, Bradley.

464
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,000
Mr. Stolen, Mr. House. And again, noted the amendment proposed by Mr. Doney, so we get to the language right.

465
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:15,000
Mr. Price. Yes. Mr. Orney? Yes. Peterson? Yes.

466
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:22,000
Mr. Schroller. Yes. By your name, I spoke your approved item number five with the amendment as proposed

467
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,000
of the adjustment to the language as proposed.

468
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:31,000
And thank you, Mr. Jenkins, for your usual professional presentation.

469
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:34,000
Consolidate and report, Mr. Frick.

470
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,000
Prof. Supportium. Chair is recognized for the report.

471
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,000
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning. Members of the board.

472
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,000
My name is Tom Frick. I'm the director for the Division of Strategic Planning and Initiatives.

473
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,000
And I'm here this morning to present for your consideration.

474
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,000
The 2021 consolidated annual reports.

475
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:07,000
Water management districts are required by statute to submit a consolidated annual report to the Governor and Legislature and the Department of Environmental Protection by March 4th of each year.

476
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:19,000
The report, known as the car, combines nine legislatively mandated reports regarding the status of water resources within the district.

477
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:25,000
You should be noticed that you may recognize a number of these reports as is over the last five months.

478
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,000
We brought a few of them for your consideration and approval.

479
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:35,000
For example, the minimum flow in levels annual priority list and strategic plan.

480
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:44,000
I'd be remiss at this point if I forgot to thank all of the district staff who helped compile these reports.

481
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,000
These reports do touch on pretty much every part of the district.

482
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,000
Thank you very much to them.

483
01:01:51,000 --> 01:02:02,000
In that regard, I'd also like to point out that chapter one of the consolidated annual reports is reporting on the accomplishments for the prior fiscal year for the district.

484
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,000
And I've listed out some of the highlights that we accomplished over the past year.

485
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:15,000
And this is in spite of the fact that we were in unprecedented times with the COVID-19 situation.

486
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:28,000
So on the water quantity side, we brought forward a multi year effort on the Central Florida Water Initiatives brought that to you for consideration in your approval.

487
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:39,000
I'd also like to point out that we brought three minimum flow in level water bodies to you last year for your consideration and approval and move those along.

488
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:49,000
Also, in addition to the considerable amount of nutrients that we've prevented to go into water bodies throughout the entire district.

489
01:02:49,000 --> 01:03:05,000
I'd like to point out that there were two projects, one a muck removal project that removed over 189,000 pounds of nitrogen and nearly 116,000 pounds of phosphorus from the Indian River Lagoon.

490
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:09,000
That was a one time removal of removing those.

491
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:16,000
And also we removed over 7,500 pounds of phosphorus with our Shad Removal program.

492
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:26,000
Also, I'd like to point out one of the, in spite of the COVID-19 activities, our monitoring folks were out and doing business as usual.

493
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:35,000
And we had less than 2% of our regular routine sites that were interrupted due to considerations from last year.

494
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:44,000
And that was information that you all relied on not only the hydrologic report, which we saw earlier and you consider every month, but also for harmful available looms.

495
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,000
So we assist with the Department of Environmental Protection, along that.

496
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:57,000
Our natural systems, our landfokes, also were very busy last year didn't skip a beat over 61 prescribed burns.

497
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:05,000
And then we also controlled more than 27,000 acres of invasive plants throughout the district.

498
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,000
So that's quite a bit of activity.

499
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:26,000
On the flood protection, Mr. Jenkins brought some of the efforts for that you saw at least on the the culvert side, but we also had some considerable improvements on our levies over six miles of improvement on the L75 levy last year.

500
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,000
So that was pretty significant.

501
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:39,000
And then also on the L73 we improved the S161 and 161 A structures to make sure that we are eroding and also flooding folks downstream.

502
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:48,000
And one thing that gets missed Mr. Jenkins pointed this out as well is federally rear required to inspect our our structures.

503
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:56,000
We have to do that semi annually and so staff completed those and also is completing the repairs on time.

504
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,000
So that's quite an accomplishment.

505
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:07,000
And lastly on the supporting activities, the district contributed more than 23 million dollars in cost share.

506
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:09,000
That's district funds.

507
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:17,000
That was for a total of nearly 74 million dollars in projects that included local district and also state funding to those.

508
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:24,000
So that's a significant amount of water quality improvements and also water quality improvements throughout the entire district.

509
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:38,000
But not on here, but I would like to point out as the fact that you all in the prior year strategic plan had really challenged our cost share folks to go out and engage cost share applicants.

510
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:52,000
And so of these projects, we had three that's three brand new applicants that applied and then we also were out and did 12 agricultural presentations to get them involved.

511
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:59,000
So quite a bit of efforts from district staff and they should be congratulated for for those accomplishments.

512
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:07,000
With that Mr. Chair, it brings me to the recommendation from staff for the board to accept and approve the 2021 consolidated annual reports.

513
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:11,000
Questions of the presenter sir.

514
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:15,000
Okay, we have a motion to prove.

515
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,000
Stolen second.

516
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,000
Second anniversitation.

517
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,000
Thank sir for the discussion.

518
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Have heard none roll call vote.

519
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:23,000
Burnett.

520
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,000
Yes, Bradley.

521
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,000
Yeah.

522
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Dolen.

523
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:28,000
Yes.

524
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:29,000
House.

525
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,000
Yeah.

526
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,000
Price.

527
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:32,000
Yes.

528
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,000
Yes.

529
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:34,000
Peterson.

530
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,000
Yes.

531
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:36,000
You can ask for five six.

532
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Got one question for Dr. Short Hill.

533
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:43,000
Who's the individual that runs our prescribed burn program now.

534
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,000
So that's in.

535
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,000
West Steve Miller wasn't it before he left to go to.

536
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:52,000
So the bureau chief is Brian Emmanuel.

537
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,000
And so the last thing again.

538
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:55,000
Emmanuel.

539
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:56,000
Got it.

540
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:02,000
And that's an Eric's division of bureau of land resources.

541
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:07,000
It would be an excellent topic for an informational item in the next.

542
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Little while I think they're still doing a lot of prescribed burning right now.

543
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:15,000
So they might appreciate waiting until past fire season.

544
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:16,000
Okay.

545
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:17,000
Maybe an April.

546
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:20,000
We could look at a presentation on what they're doing.

547
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,000
What they're covering.

548
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,000
My biggest concern in the reason I really even raised it.

549
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Does he have all the equipment he needs.

550
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,000
When you do prescribe burns.

551
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:32,000
The thing that's most concerning to the leadership.

552
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,000
I'll ask he's.

553
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
We're doing it right.

554
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:35,000
I'm sure we are.

555
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:36,000
Can can we.

556
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Keep it from getting away from us and do we have equipment to keep.

557
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,000
That prescribed burn from getting away.

558
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,000
I've seen it happen all my life up in North Florida.

559
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000
And.

560
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:49,000
It was a private individual rolled his own equipment out.

561
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:51,000
Uh, his bulldozers and.

562
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,000
Other equipment that he had.

563
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:54,000
Which stopped it.

564
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:55,000
But I know that's easy to do.

565
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:56,000
I'm going to be approved.

566
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,000
I see like a cat these six bulldozers.

567
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000
A couple of years ago.

568
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:04,000
Is there something more needed as a backup to make sure.

569
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:07,000
We don't get overrun with a change of wind or a weather.

570
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,000
It might be just have to ask the question.

571
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:10,000
Counselor, you know, I'm asking.

572
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:15,000
We got to make sure that we're funded with the equipment to do something.

573
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
It's extraordinarily important to our communities.

574
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,000
I'm sure.

575
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:20,000
There are also what a great on that.

576
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,000
So if you come back with a presentation.

577
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:23,000
I appreciate it.

578
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:25,000
Yes.

579
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,000
I have a comment.

580
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,000
I wanted to.

581
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,000
Awesome.

582
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Am I on.

583
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,000
Can you hear me.

584
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,000
I also send a make a comment.

585
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:39,000
Mr. Frick about what's going on with the annual report because you're right.

586
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:44,000
I'm I made some comments last year about getting out into the community.

587
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:50,000
And staff really took that seriously and went out and did a lot of hard work.

588
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,000
And that was a big thing for me.

589
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,000
I really want to say I appreciate the hard work that everyone did.

590
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Getting out and getting more people and more municipalities engaged.

591
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000
And I'm really happy to see that.

592
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
So great work.

593
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,000
And I look forward to a continuation of that.

594
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,000
So I just do want to point out that.

595
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,000
You guys listened and I appreciate it.

596
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,000
So thanks.

597
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000
Okay.

598
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Thanks for presentation.

599
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,000
Chair recognizes Mr. Jeff Prather.

600
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Approaching the podium for the consumptive use.

601
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Overview or cup overview.

602
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:31,000
My Mr. Chairman members of the board.

603
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,000
My name is Jeff Prather and I'm the director of the Division of Regatory Services.

604
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:36,000
It's my pleasure to be here this morning.

605
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:41,000
Present to you an informational item regarding the districts and some of you's permitting program.

606
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,000
You remember during last month's governing board meeting.

607
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,000
The board expressed interest in hearing more details regarding water conservation.

608
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:51,000
Our conservation practices utilized by a regulated communities.

609
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:56,000
My goal this morning is to start with an overview of our consumptive use permitting program.

610
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:02,000
We will then provide additional informational presentations on specific and some of you subjects at future meetings.

611
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Starting with water conservation.

612
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:11,000
Our consumptive use permits reflect a sustainable use of water that's protected for both the public and the environment.

613
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,000
For today and into the future.

614
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,000
Our consumptive use permitting bureau is a part of the Division of Regatory Services.

615
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:23,000
It's made up of 18 staff primarily geologist engineers and environmental scientists.

616
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:29,000
This group works closely with all of our partners both internal and external to draft quality permits.

617
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:34,000
That builds a foundation for water supply protection in and around our district boundaries.

618
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:40,000
It's important to note that not all users of water within the district require a consumptive use permit.

619
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:50,000
Exceeding any one of these three thresholds on the bottom of the current slide require a user to receive a consumptive use permit.

620
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:56,000
This slide represents on the other hand several water uses that are exempt by rule from needing a consumptive use permit.

621
01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,000
The largest use in this category is domestic cell supply wells.

622
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:09,000
Throughout the district, domestic cell supply accounts for 7% of the total groundwater use at nearly 74 million gallons per day.

623
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:23,000
Our staff evaluate applications for new uses, renewals, modifications using an approach that you'll hear often in consumptive use permitting the three prong test.

624
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:32,000
This test is defined by statute and some of the specifics in this criteria include is the quantity of water necessary for economic and efficient use.

625
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:40,000
As a request, reasonable purpose consistent with public interest does it interfere with an existing legal user.

626
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:50,000
And of course, we ensure there is no harm to the areas resources including established minimum flows and levels of nearby lakes rivers and springs.

627
01:11:50,000 --> 01:12:00,000
Additionally, as part of the review process, the applicant is required to do an evaluation of alternative water sources that can be used and lieu of a withdraw from the upper floor in aquifer.

628
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,000
Our most vulnerable water resource.

629
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:17,000
The most common of these alternative water sources include reclaimed water from wastewater treatment processes, storm water, surface water, and lower quality groundwater such as brackish water and water from the lower floor to the aquifer.

630
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,000
And of course, the applicant or permit team must have an approved water conservation plan in place.

631
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:29,000
Again, we will go into further detail about conservation with informational presentation at the March Board meeting.

632
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:38,000
We issue two types of consumptive use permits, individual permits, and general permits by rule.

633
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:43,000
The larger, more specific type of CUPs are the individual permits.

634
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:49,000
Further district delegation policy, you can see in the first subble of the criteria that requires governing board approval.

635
01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:55,000
Of course, any permit with height and public concern can also be brought to the board to be approval.

636
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Below this criteria, the district delegation policy outlines that certain staff have the authority to issue individual permits ranging from the executive director down to the supervising hydrologists, again, depending on the size and criteria of use.

637
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Last year, nine out of a total of 340 permits actions required governing board approval.

638
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:23,000
General permits by rule simply state that if an application is doing a specific activity covered by rule.

639
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,000
And the conditions with the rule are followed in the user qualifies for the GP.

640
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:38,000
Most typical of these are environmental restoration environmental restoration projects, and short term dewatering activities.

641
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:48,000
We currently have 2,680 active consumptive use permits throughout the district, allocating more than 1,260 million gallons a day of groundwater.

642
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:52,000
The graph on the left illustrates the greatest volume of CUPs by type.

643
01:13:52,000 --> 01:14:06,000
You'll see that some 59% of our CUPs are for agricultural operations, 21% is landscaping recreation, 13% public supply, and 7% are for commercial industrial purposes.

644
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:10,000
The right graph illustrates the largest allocations by category.

645
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:27,000
Here the lion share of the allocation is in the public supply at nearly 815 million gallons per day followed by ag commercial industrial and then landscaping recreation.

646
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:33,000
This slide shows the historic and projected water use in the central Florida water initiatives planning area.

647
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:39,000
Ground water makes up 95% of the water use with surface water use for the remaining 5%.

648
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:47,000
You'll see our water demands are turning very well versus historic water use considering the anticipated growth and population.

649
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:57,000
The planning area is population is expected to have a 49% increase to 4.4 million people by the year of 2040 as indicated by the black line on the graph.

650
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Potable supply remains alert.

651
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:12,000
Our just water use category, followed by Ag, overall water demands are projected to increase 36% to over 900 million gallons a day in year 2040.

652
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:21,000
The regions of efficient use of reclaimed water and implementation of conservation has contributed to offsetting the groundwater demands in this area.

653
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:27,000
Currently, over 95% of treated wastewater is reused, and that's more than 210 million gallons a day.

654
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:33,000
Reclaimed water flows are projected to increase by 55% to nearly 340 million gallons a day.

655
01:15:33,000 --> 01:15:37,000
Providing even more of an offset in groundwater demands, which is very good news.

656
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
This next slide represents?

657
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:44,000
Yes, sir.

658
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Do you have reconous?

659
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:46,000
Yes, sir.

660
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,000
Repeat that, Ron, it didn't quite get it.

661
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:56,000
Would you like us to ask question now or wait till the end?

662
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:01,000
Jump in here, Ron, when you got one, I think that works better for the subjects to go in back.

663
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:04,000
So, everybody feel free jumping when you have a point you want to make.

664
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,000
Go ahead.

665
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,000
That's it.

666
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:20,000
So, hey Jeff, I'm going to ask Doug, but I'm going to also ask you, because a lot of times like in agricultural permits, there's a tremendous amount of irrigation used for free.

667
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:28,000
Protection and things of that nature, which is a high gallonage that's really used for a couple days.

668
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,000
But you have a peak flow demand.

669
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,000
Is that, and Doug, you probably know more about that than I do.

670
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:47,000
But I didn't know if you're utilizing average daily flow or if you're using permitted volume, i.e. for peak flow demand.

671
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,000
Yeah, you're, you're right, Ron.

672
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,000
We, a consumptive use permit for a citrus grove.

673
01:16:53,000 --> 01:17:04,000
You'd never, unless it's the 83 freeze or the 89 freeze or you were in flat areas of Florida like the east coast.

674
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,000
Or you can flood your grove.

675
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:15,000
What we used to try to do is bringing the water level up to the trunk of your trees, because that water radiates out its heat.

676
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,000
And protects the crop for just that two night freeze of it.

677
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:27,000
And then you let the water out into the canal systems that surround the grove and it back into the system.

678
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:37,000
The water's only borrowed for 48 hours, but we haven't seen a freeze of it where people crown flooded since 1989.

679
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:39,000
We've known micro jets.

680
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,000
They're on a watering system.

681
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,000
We're using a tenth of the water.

682
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:52,000
We used to use with it, with rain birds and or or flooding our groves.

683
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,000
What that was done.

684
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,000
Two or three or four decades ago.

685
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:01,000
So what, what is truly lost.

686
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:06,000
The only water truly lost in a grapefruit grove is what goes out in the crop.

687
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,000
The rest and we have we have switched because of the disease of reigning.

688
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:20,000
We can't use the the deep wells into the Florida aquifer because the TDS is too high.

689
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:29,000
As to salty it burns the skirt of the tree and we'll actually reduce the trees life because it accelerates greening.

690
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:35,000
We we only can use surface water, i.e. rain water in our local canals.

691
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:45,000
So even though the growers want to maintain their ability if we have a devastating 100 100 100 year freeze event.

692
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:52,000
We never even come close to utilizing the totals in our consumptive use permits.

693
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,000
And probably now never will because of this disease of reigning.

694
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000
It's just staying in the peninsula of Florida.

695
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,000
We can't get rid of it.

696
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:06,000
We don't have the holy grail to replace it in the way of trees that are resistant.

697
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:16,000
So we're living with greening and forever will never come close to utilizing with the consumptive use permit says we would we could use.

698
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,000
So.

699
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Answer your question.

700
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:25,000
It does and I guess the question based on that goes back to Jeff.

701
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:35,000
Are you using the allocation of the permit is amount in your pie charts in your graphs or use an a the average daily flows because.

702
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:43,000
It might be deceptive that irrigation's using more because it's permitted more for freeze protection.

703
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:51,000
But like what Doug said is basically even though you fled your field that's still going right back in the ground.

704
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,000
The only thing you lose is like that.

705
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:58,000
Transpiration and the trees or evaporation that the trees you don't have a vibration.

706
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,000
Got it.

707
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,000
Ron.

708
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,000
Dr.

709
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
General counsel.

710
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
We and for purposes of allocation.

711
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,000
We actually for purposes of water supply planning.

712
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:12,000
We're required to use a 1 in 10 year drought scenario.

713
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:17,000
So in planning numbers of this nature you'll see a 1 in 10 scenario.

714
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:23,000
For purposes of our permitting program we allocate to the 2 in 10 year drought.

715
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:29,000
And in some areas we're also moving to a 5 in 10 year which is like an average condition.

716
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:34,000
Particularly we already have that implemented in our silver springs prevention area.

717
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:43,000
To kind of make sure people understand that on a typical year they should be using that average allocation.

718
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:48,000
They shouldn't be using their 2 in 10 year drought allocation every year.

719
01:20:48,000 --> 01:21:00,000
And that is actually the proposal on the CFWI Central Florida water initiative rule making is also to give a dual allocation a 2 in 10 and a 5 in 10 to make sure.

720
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:10,000
Our permitties understand that the drought allocation is for that drought year it shouldn't be used every year and that on average.

721
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,000
To give them an idea of what their average use should be said that's.

722
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:23,000
There's different allocations required by statute for planning and then we have different things for permitting so it depends really.

723
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,000
What you're looking at what allocation we review.

724
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:27,000
Thank you.

725
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:38,000
And I'll just say we also allocate there's a max allocation for frost freeze protection that folks can also request if it's appropriate for that crop.

726
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,000
Looks like you're on top of what I can see Mr. morning.

727
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:51,000
I just want another consideration that the margins are so thin for citrus production that growers.

728
01:21:51,000 --> 01:22:03,000
They're resistant to even use their diesel pumps to move the water floor to so flat and a growers got to move water to other acres of citrus CS to use diesel dollars.

729
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:17,000
To to move that water and because of greening again that disease the margins are so thin people are just not utilizing their permits like they weren't used to 20 years ago.

730
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:25,000
So I the water availability is there and I'm seeing in Barton the St. Lucy in any river county.

731
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:31,000
The surface levels of the floor back over there come way up.

732
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:38,000
Known as utilizing it but the utilities are licking their chops going man this is this is wonderful.

733
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:49,000
We have more water here that we can use so that cities are looking at that but as far as eggs use and in our part of the world it's dropped considerably.

734
01:22:49,000 --> 01:23:05,000
We found from an enforcement perspective that agusers are very good stewards because of the cost it as you mentioned Mr. Bernie to pump the water there's some of our best stewards of the resource.

735
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Okay it's one of the questions.

736
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,000
Mr. Chairman.

737
01:23:08,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Yes sir.

738
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:13,000
It seems like to me as we grow in population.

739
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:27,000
And the comparison of water use and population change it seems like the band of green on the bar graph would have to get narrower as we basically eat more ag land.

740
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:35,000
Because really you think about you can't really grow in wetlands too much but you grow in citrus grows and that's great housing.

741
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:41,000
Maybe the trees are making profits anymore but that you can build a lot of houses and citrus trees is high and dry.

742
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:47,000
So it seems like that band should be decreasing as our growth increases.

743
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:49,000
That makes sense.

744
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Yes it makes sense so we're going to grow less oranges and more folks from up north.

745
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Exactly so it seems like that band the green band from 20 15 20 20 20 25 20 20 20 30.

746
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:09,000
That green band stays relatively consistent where it seems like that would go down.

747
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,000
Does it sound degree.

748
01:24:11,000 --> 01:24:13,000
I'm not saying about it.

749
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:15,000
It seems like that's the trend a little differently.

750
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,000
Ms. Flanko you want to respond there.

751
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:18,000
Sure.

752
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,000
Actually as part of the planning process use what's called F said.

753
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:28,000
Which the department of agriculture and consumer services works to produce.

754
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:30,000
So that part through statute.

755
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,000
The Department of Ag is supposed to help us produce those estimates.

756
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:40,000
So we rely heavily on the F said products in the work that DAX does and estimating.

757
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000
But that is correct.

758
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:45,000
We are in the CFWI area.

759
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:49,000
From present time to going 20 years into the future.

760
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:52,000
Most of the growth is in public supply.

761
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,000
Ag is staying about the same but which is reflected in the graph.

762
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:01,000
So but we rely on DAX and those folks to assist us with those projections.

763
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,000
That's true and right don't forget.

764
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,000
We currently use 5% of our groundwater for golf courses as we build more communities and more people.

765
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,000
They'll build more golf courses.

766
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000
And so you're going to have some offset there.

767
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000
Golf courses go up.

768
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Maybe citrus goes down.

769
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:20,000
I'm not sure what that relationship would be.

770
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,000
I just know they build a community build a golf course.

771
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,000
Thank you Mr. Chairman.

772
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,000
Good job.

773
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:27,000
I prefer lakes.

774
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,000
I'll water ski.

775
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
I don't play golf.

776
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,000
Okay.

777
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,000
Thank you, Ms. Price.

778
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
I appreciate it.

779
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,000
I'm done yet.

780
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,000
It only gets better.

781
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Then you better get done pretty soon.

782
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,000
Just 20 more minutes.

783
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:44,000
I think I'm tired of listening for your tired of talking.

784
01:25:44,000 --> 01:25:45,000
But I'll shut up.

785
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:47,000
You go ahead sir.

786
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:48,000
All right.

787
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,000
The next slide represents a number of consumped views permits issued by the District of

788
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:55,000
Calendar year of the 344 permits issued in 2020.

789
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:57,000
75% of those were renewables.

790
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,000
70 were permit modifications.

791
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:02,000
And 5% were permits for new uses.

792
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,000
The graph shows we're in the midst of an accelerating permitting cycle.

793
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,000
And that's over the next three years.

794
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,000
It really does represent tremendous opportunity.

795
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,000
With the projection of a large number renewables coming in.

796
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:16,000
Our staff looks forward to staying those applications up to the latest,

797
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:18,000
most relevant science available.

798
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:22,000
And ensuring that there's a sustainable use of water for both the public and

799
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,000
environment for today.

800
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:24,000
And then the future.

801
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,000
Last slide general.

802
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,000
We're there and closing.

803
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,000
I want to leave y'all with positive note.

804
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:34,000
As you can see, the permitted amount of groundwater from the upper floor

805
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:35,000
to knock for again.

806
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:40,000
The most vulnerable of our water resources has been decreasing annually since 2015.

807
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,000
Or a total reduction of just over 36 million gallons a day district wide.

808
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:49,000
In 2020 allocations were reduced by 5 million gallons per day with an additional 2.9 million

809
01:26:49,000 --> 01:26:50,000
gallons a day.

810
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,000
Reduce from the ledger due to file closures and voluntary resisions.

811
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:55,000
Which is a good thing.

812
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:58,000
We're proud of this success and we look forward to working with our partners.

813
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:01,000
Continue this trend of reducing upper floor to knock off our withdrawals.

814
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,000
With the use of alternative water sources and conservation.

815
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,000
And this sir concludes my presentation.

816
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,000
I'll be more than happy to answer any questions.

817
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:11,000
That's encouraging a chart right there.

818
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,000
Questions for the board?

819
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:13,000
Yeah.

820
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:14,000
I had one.

821
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:15,000
Could you go back one slide?

822
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:16,000
Yeah.

823
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:19,000
The downward trend in 2022 and 2023.

824
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,000
What's the driver for that decrease there?

825
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:26,000
Well, a lot of these can be 510 20 year permits.

826
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,000
So we have a good idea of who's coming in for renewal.

827
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:35,000
But a lot of times they will try to come in early depending on rules that are being put in place.

828
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000
And so forth.

829
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
So we expect it'll be a busy busy 3 years.

830
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000
Still a lot of permits.

831
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:41,000
Yes.

832
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:42,000
Yes.

833
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,000
The just what congratulations on the turnaround of the permits.

834
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,000
From 15 years ago.

835
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,000
That's all I heard in my end of the equation.

836
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,000
The agon was a tick forever.

837
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,000
And you guys have streamlined it and have done a great job of making it quick and efficient.

838
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:01,000
And getting it back to the the permit holder.

839
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,000
So great job.

840
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:05,000
And by the way, I know that data.

841
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,000
Because I briefed it just secretary some months ago.

842
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,000
We were in the 90 days to 120 or more.

843
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,000
The bigger the permit, the longer.

844
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,000
We're now down to.

845
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:18,000
May not believe this data.

846
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:21,000
Ten and a half days for the average permit.

847
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:24,000
I think that was the data you got me, Dr. Short Hill.

848
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,000
So want to thank Dr. Short Hill and the team for getting in there.

849
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:31,000
Helping our clients our customers process the permit.

850
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:35,000
And when there's an error, go back and say, okay, here's how you please set up.

851
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:40,000
That's pretty big deal going to tell us about the effectiveness and efficiency of government, Dr. Short Hill.

852
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:42,000
Your team was done that.

853
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:44,000
Don't know how the other management this or two.

854
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,000
I don't keep up with what the kid down the streets doing.

855
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,000
But I know we're doing pretty darn well.

856
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:49,000
So thank you.

857
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Number one.

858
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:51,000
I like sounds that.

859
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:52,000
Thanks, Mr. Chairman.

860
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,000
Appreciate it.

861
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,000
Well, if you're number two, you just a second loser.

862
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:59,000
Number one is a great place to be.

863
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:02,000
No, that's way worse.

864
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,000
They told him five hundred's coming up folks.

865
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,000
That's high words.

866
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:11,000
Well, everybody remembers Chuck Egg was the first guy to go supersonic.

867
01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:13,000
Nobody remembers who the second guy was.

868
01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:14,000
I went.

869
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:17,000
And he did it the second day.

870
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,000
Bob Hoover.

871
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,000
I've been knocked.

872
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:27,000
I've been mocked too, but it wasn't an experimental orange crate.

873
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,000
With a big gin inches on the back.

874
01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:34,000
That's a lot of what you had.

875
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:37,000
I still see I went super.

876
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:38,000
Great.

877
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:39,000
Some of the owns.

878
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:41,000
It's really a rock and roll.

879
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:42,000
There's.

880
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:44,000
Oh, yeah.

881
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:46,000
One of six.

882
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,000
Okay.

883
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,000
Sorry about the side discussion here.

884
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,000
We're talking about airplanes in the speed.

885
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,000
I get excited.

886
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:53,000
All right.

887
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,000
Thank you, Mr. Breaver.

888
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,000
And chair recognized Mr. Mike Register again.

889
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,000
Information for the MFL.

890
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Mental Flow that was development and status.

891
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,680
Board, I'm Mike Register, Director of Water Supply Planning and Assessment. And I'm mainly here today to introduce Tom

892
01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:10,640
Merding, the Deputy Executive Director for the Swani River Water Management District, who's going to

893
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:16,160
provide an update on the current rulemaking as they have for the reevaluation of MFLs for the

894
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:22,800
Lower Santa Fe River, it should tuck me river and the associated priority springs. Now, also to give you a

895
01:30:22,800 --> 01:30:29,680
little background on why he might be here, talking about MFLs within the Swani District. Some of the

896
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:36,160
MFLs are for water bodies that were designated as outstanding Florida Springs by the legislature. And

897
01:30:36,160 --> 01:30:42,400
also due to cross boundary effects of pumping within our district being in the low effect of these water

898
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:48,000
bodies. It's actually the Department of Environmental Protection that will be adopting these MFLs,

899
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:54,880
so there'll be applicable in both districts. And further, because they are outstanding Florida Springs,

900
01:30:54,880 --> 01:31:02,960
also by statute, our district could be responsible for financially responsible for up to 25%

901
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:09,680
of the recovery costs to address impacts from our district. So, with that introduction, I'll turn it

902
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:14,480
over to Tom Merding to give you an update on it. Thank you. Yes, sir, step forward to the podium there.

903
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:19,600
And again, in your districts, a very important place to me, Bob, should ever place last

904
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:24,960
that a country is swimming holes in the world. Please, not for the faint of heart, though. Yes,

905
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:30,160
sir, go ahead. I'm pleased to be here and bring you greetings from all greetings from live oak. Thank you, Mike,

906
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:38,800
for the introduction. And as he, as it Mike said, I'm here to present the status, status assessment for the

907
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:44,480
proposed lower Santa Fe river and it should tuck me system minimum flows and minimum water levels.

908
01:31:45,040 --> 01:31:49,920
This presentation is a continuation of a series that had been presented to the Swani board over the

909
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:56,080
past few months as we've worked through reevaluation and peer review of the existing MFLs for that same system.

910
01:31:57,440 --> 01:32:04,720
Today's presentation that you will see is substantial of the same as another being shown or one being shown

911
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:10,480
today at the Swani River Water Management District by John Good, who's in our MFL office there.

912
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:19,520
This PowerPoint, this presentation has a few more slides because we gave them a refresher last month

913
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:25,760
on the situation. So you all need that refresher too. So the introductory slides here will be

914
01:32:26,160 --> 01:32:32,480
to orient you all with the with the situation with the system. Because you haven't seen those things lately,

915
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:37,600
we did present on this. John Good and I both a year ago to this board.

916
01:32:37,600 --> 01:32:48,640
As a just as an overview to to orient you, this is the location of the Santa Fe River

917
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:57,600
Watershed outlined in black. It's shown in the context of two green areas. Both of those areas

918
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:03,600
together form the North Florida Regional Water Supply Planning area or North Florida Regional Water

919
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:09,200
Supply Partnership between the Swani River Water Management District and the St. John's River Water Management District.

920
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:17,200
The dark green area on the right is the St. John's portion of that partnership and the later green area on the left

921
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:24,560
is the Swani River Water Management District part of that partnership area. And again, the Santa Fe River fits in

922
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:29,760
fits in that notch on the western side of the St. John's River Water Management District.

923
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:38,960
The, as part of that background, I wanted to show you how we got to where we're at for you know,

924
01:33:38,960 --> 01:33:45,840
bringing you the status assessment for the Swani River. In 2010, the Swani River District

925
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:51,760
issued a published its water supply assessment in that assessment. It recognized that they were

926
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:58,560
groundwater level declines in northeast Florida and it recommended a regional groundwater flow model

927
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:05,760
to be produced or built essentially. And so at that time, initial planning began on the

928
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:12,800
MFL for the Lower Santa Fe System and and the North Florida Southeast Georgia model or refer to that

929
01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:21,360
again, I'll refer to it as the NFSAG and FSEG. Also subsequent to that and interagency agreement

930
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:27,280
but with DEP and St. John's was also entered into by Swani District that forms the basis of the

931
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:36,640
partnership that I referred to. Between 2011 and 2013, the existing MFL studies were completed and it

932
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:45,760
went to peer review. 2004 that that rule was challenged at the time that challenge was we went through

933
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:54,800
that process in 2014. 2015 after the legislative session, the existing MFL rule became effective.

934
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:04,080
And if you'll excuse me, I'll need this. Hopefully I'll keep you all listening though.

935
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:16,880
The existing MFL rule that's in place, 6240.300 says that the department, again, this is a cross boundary

936
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:22,640
MFL, so it's issued by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and the department establishes

937
01:35:22,640 --> 01:35:26,080
the following minimum flows and levels for the Lower Santa Fe and it should tuck me rivers

938
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:33,680
and associated priority springs. One of the key components or pieces of that rule was that upon

939
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:41,120
completion of the NFSAG model, DEP in conjunction with the two districts, she'll re-evaluate the MFLs

940
01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:48,720
and the present status of the of the river and springs using the best available scientific or

941
01:35:48,720 --> 01:35:53,680
technical data methodologies and models and so that's been done and that's where we're here today.

942
01:35:53,680 --> 01:36:00,320
So as a follow on to the how we got here since the publication of the existing rule.

943
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:10,000
In 2016, a stakeholder advisory committee composed of stakeholder from both sides of the partnership.

944
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:19,520
unanimously recommended the North Florida Regional Water Supply Plan. That plan was approved by both

945
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:26,720
district governing boards in 2017 and in 2018, we started work on the re-evaluation of the Lower

946
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:34,560
Santa Fe System. 2019 saw the completion of the NFSAG model and the draft lower Santa Fe System,

947
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:42,720
MFL report at the end of 2019. Last year, 2020, the peer review was ongoing and we went through several

948
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:48,480
peer review meetings and we completed the MFL report. I want to note here that this also included

949
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:54,080
peer review responses and addressing separate stakeholder comments from the partnership areas.

950
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:59,280
One of those stakeholders has let us know that they've felt our responses were not complete.

951
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:05,680
I think it was a result overall of a misunderstanding in how the comments were presented but in any case,

952
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:13,520
we'll address those moving forward. I want to show the major differences between the existing MFL,

953
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:20,080
the one that's in place now and what's proposed. One of the things that is part of that is there's a new

954
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:25,920
hydrologic starting point. We've got the NFSAG in place that allowed us to do what we call a reference time frame or a

955
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:34,480
reference flow that shows that presents the system as unimpacted and then

956
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:42,880
modeled uses are subtracted from that estimated unimpacted use. We also expanded our

957
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:49,280
in-stream habitat evaluation in the Santa Fe River, so we updated the river model, that's called

958
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:56,480
Hekraz. I'm not sure what it stands for but it comes from the core of engineers with updated geometry

959
01:37:56,480 --> 01:38:02,720
of the river bottom and we also are using new habitat modeling software with additional analysis tools.

960
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:09,040
We use something called P. Habsim on the first go around this one uses Sifa, S-EFA,

961
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:14,240
not sure what that stands for either. You've got a question. I can take them any time.

962
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:22,160
Yes, sir. I think I swam in every spring along the Santa Fe River. Many of us do that over three days.

963
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:26,720
They seem like they're starting these colder, is it? Are they all still 76 degrees?

964
01:38:26,720 --> 01:38:33,360
What are they? They should all be 72 degrees still. I think alcohol? 72 degrees. Yeah 72.

965
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:40,080
That's cold water. Some of them are not. But you preside over some beautiful, beautiful springs and

966
01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:44,560
florida. And you're sickly just tucked me. It's an honor. Be gentle with them.

967
01:38:56,720 --> 01:39:05,440
Why is that important? Okay. I'll get right to it on this slide. So I wanted to point out

968
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:13,920
that we'd also add it on a new reference gauge at the U.S. 441 bridge across the river during the

969
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:18,560
interim period. We were able to collect more data so it was sufficient to be able to use that gauge.

970
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:24,160
And then I think to your point about water temperature on the Itchatuckney, one of the comments that we got from

971
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:31,280
the last purview was it didn't speak to manatees using the Itchatuckney River as a thermal refuge.

972
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:38,320
And the question there is the question that we were looking at is we know that manatees do use it, not quite as much.

973
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:44,320
Actually, not anywhere near as much as is seen in volucia blues for example. But they are using it.

974
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:52,640
The challenge is that when the water levels get low, we had to evaluate both the temperatures in the river.

975
01:39:52,640 --> 01:40:00,000
And how much room there was in the Itchatuckney River as it entered the Santa Fe River to see if the manatees would have room to

976
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:09,200
to get up into the Itchatuckney and benefit from that thermal refuge. So we incorporated both temperature and water levels in that assessment.

977
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:17,760
They're beautiful creatures. I'm sure you know they're not indigenous to Florida. They came from the West Indies.

978
01:40:17,760 --> 01:40:27,760
I think I've got this slide as well later on, but I wanted to show it again is how to do the proposed

979
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:45,760
MFLs and the existing ones compare. This is shown at the three reference points, the Santa Fe River near Fort White, which is just downstream from Jenny Springs, the US Highway 441 bridge location, which is just north of high springs on the Santa Fe River.

980
01:40:46,560 --> 01:41:07,760
And the Itchatuckney River at US Highway 27. The main thing to see here is that the difference, the reference flow is what I referred to before is the estimated unimpacted flows. The MFLs, which were presented to our board last week are in the second line.

981
01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:16,160
They're shown in cubic feet per second. The difference, the line highlighted in red is the is the amount of

982
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:23,040
Impacted, allowable impact essentially. And so the amount of allowable impact is roughly comparable.

983
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:32,320
On the Fort White location, 103 CFS for the proposed versus the existing of 106

984
01:41:33,280 --> 01:42:01,320
For US Highway 441, which wasn't, which isn't in the current MFL, but is new. There is in the comparison there, so that shown is not applicable. And the impacts, or the difference for the Itchatuckney River goes from 11 to 10 CFS. So they're relatively close to what it had been before. The fourth line shows the difference in million gallons per day as a reference, but we have been using cubic feet per second for the period of time.

985
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:13,320
The relative flow reductions in percentiles are also relatively close, 8.1 for the proposed versus 8% at Fort White, 2.8% at the Itchatuckney River versus 3.1%.

986
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:23,320
This links us to the change due to from the NIFSAG model due to pumping, but we'll come back to that as I get into the status assessment process.

987
01:42:23,320 --> 01:42:37,320
And so that brings you up to speed, hopefully, with where we left our board last month. And so what are the next steps after the NFL document is prepared and come through peer review.

988
01:42:37,320 --> 01:42:46,320
And so the next step is to do a status assessment to assess the status of those water bodies that we just saw the Santa Fe River and two locations in the Itchatuckney River.

989
01:42:46,320 --> 01:43:10,320
One of those after that, we would depending on the outcome, the result of the status assessment, which you will see, that would implies the development of a prevention or recovery strategy as appropriate, and then ruled development by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection with assistance from the water management districts.

990
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:23,320
Thank you, sir. You represent a superb district in so many communities over there in the Swan River district and the springs that you have per view over just a national treasure for this state.

991
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:25,320
Thank you.

992
01:43:25,320 --> 01:43:39,320
I wanted to question here, how do MFL's fit into the water management and water water law is MFL's, MFL's are used to determine the water needs of natural systems.

993
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:55,320
This is also includes water supply assessments that are conducted as part of the water supply planning process, and they inform our water supply planning and the district's progress in fulfilling legislative intent as embodied in regional water supply plans.

994
01:43:55,320 --> 01:44:15,320
It is the intent and as that stated here, it's the intent of the legislature that sufficient water be available for all existing in future, reasonable beneficial uses in the natural systems and that the adverse impact effects of competition for water supplies be avoided.

995
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:22,320
The cross, I wanted to talk to cross boundary withdrawal effects as well in terms of a background.

996
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:29,320
Waters in Florida are waters of the state, but are managed and allocated through regional water management districts.

997
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:42,320
And regional means just that that you're planning may involve just more than one water management district, as we've seen with the North Florida regional water supply partnership and the Central Florida water initiative as examples.

998
01:44:42,320 --> 01:44:50,320
Waters allocated to water use applicants through the permitting process and is not allocated amongst water management districts.

999
01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:57,320
Water management districts also were established on surface water drainage basins back in 1972.

1000
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:07,000
And ground water basins, which are feed water to springs, may differ from surface water basins and in fact they do.

1001
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:23,000
As groundwater use in the state has increased over time, it became apparent that groundwater withdrawals in one district had the potential for a cross boundary or cross district impacts.

1002
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:32,000
That's why we have the North Florida Regional Water Supply Partnership that was between the Swansea River and the St. John's Water Management District.

1003
01:45:32,000 --> 01:45:40,000
As noted, the Central Florida Water Initiative between the three southern districts in the state is also another example of this.

1004
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:56,000
In addition to MFL's supporting water supply planning, MFL's are also used for permitting, and in the case of an MFL where a water body has the potential to be impacted by withdrawals in another district, and MFL is developed jointly as this one was.

1005
01:45:56,000 --> 01:46:07,000
In the current case, the two districts, Swansea and St. John's are joint groundwater model was a key component in that effort.

1006
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:16,000
MFL use in water allocation in water allocation in order to obtain a water use permit from the respective districts or renewals or modifications.

1007
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,000
In the applicant must provide reason.

1008
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:42,000
It's not just an MFL that guides whether or not a permit is issued there.

1009
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:49,000
I won't go into it, but it's one of nine other criteria that are evaluated for the issuance of a permit.

1010
01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:55,000
Mr. Prater alluded to some of those things in his prior presentation.

1011
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,000
Coming back to our main topic is the status assessment.

1012
01:46:59,000 --> 01:47:07,000
Why do we conduct one when an MFL is established, and the reason for that is we're directed to and floor to statutes.

1013
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:17,000
So the MFL establishment is to be accompanied by an evaluation of the current and 20 year projected status of the water body or water bodies.

1014
01:47:17,000 --> 01:47:26,000
If the existing flow in the water body is below or is projected to fall within 20 years below, the applicable minimum flow.

1015
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:35,000
The government or governing board shall concurrently adopt or modify and implement a recovery or prevention strategy.

1016
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:41,000
And to break it down a little bit further, we want presenting it here kind of like a traffic light illustration.

1017
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:47,000
So if an MFL is not met that implies a recovery strategy is needed.

1018
01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:54,000
If an MFL is being met currently, but is expected to fall below the MFL during the next 20 years,

1019
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:58,000
then the yellow arrow means that a prevention strategy is needed.

1020
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:08,000
And if MFL is being met or expected to be met over the next 20 years, then no recovery or prevention status strategy is needed.

1021
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:18,000
Once again, just to re-step you, I'm going to orient you back into the Santa Fe Basin so that we can look at our locations.

1022
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:23,000
Can I get a copy of the slide before in this slide?

1023
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Certainly.

1024
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,000
You can.

1025
01:48:26,000 --> 01:48:28,000
You can.

1026
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:35,000
So that was repeated slide, but we pretty much zoomed in on the Santa Fe Basin itself.

1027
01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:38,000
It's broken into two subwater sheds.

1028
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,000
The colors don't look a little bit better up on the screen, but not so good on my hard copy here.

1029
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:46,000
On the left hand side, it's a slightly darker green.

1030
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:49,000
That's the lower Santa Fe Basin.

1031
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:59,000
And then on the right hand side, a very light green, up is the upper Santa Fe Basin that had an MFL established in 2007.

1032
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:06,000
The compliance points of the reference gauges in that basin are the werethings and springs gauges in the Graham gauge.

1033
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:15,000
On the Santa Fe on the lower Santa Fe, the compliance points of the reference gauges that we mentioned are the US Highway 27 gauge for the Chatechni River.

1034
01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:18,000
I think I'll remember to use the pointer here.

1035
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,000
Is there a spring actually at werethings and springs?

1036
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:23,000
There was one.

1037
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:34,000
Let's see, I got it back up.

1038
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:39,000
That's a little zoom in on that location that might make it easier.

1039
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:44,000
So the Chatechni River at the US Highway 27.

1040
01:49:44,000 --> 01:50:02,000
The Fort White location, again near downstream of Ginny Spring, July Spring, and the US-441 location at the upper end of the basin, just downstream of Elino State Park.

1041
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:10,000
The existing rule is a reminder just has the Fort White and the Chatechni gauges in it.

1042
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:26,000
And for the reevaluation due to the availability of data, we've been able to make use of the gauge near high springs on US-441, which is appropriate based on the changing character of the River Channel along its length in that reach versus downstream near it at Fort White.

1043
01:50:26,000 --> 01:50:31,000
There are six priority springs on the Chatechni River.

1044
01:50:31,000 --> 01:50:38,000
The upper end of the river, but it's classified as a springs group.

1045
01:50:38,000 --> 01:51:00,000
For the purposes of the outstanding floor to springs, there are 11 springs on the Santa Fe River, five of which the ones that are highlighted in all the priority springs are shown as yellow, the ones that are circled in, I guess that's a green or turquoise color or the outstanding floor to springs.

1046
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:08,000
In that's part of the system, but the Chatechni itself counts as a single one of the six outstanding floor to springs in the system that we're looking at.

1047
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:13,000
These associations are shown on the following slide.

1048
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:24,000
There's a table, so the Lower Santa Fe River at Fort White includes those springs on the left hand side, the Lower Santa Fe River, or they're associated with that location.

1049
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:39,000
The Lower Santa Fe River at US-441 is associated with Hornsby Treehouse in Columbia Springs, and the Chatechni River at Highway 27 is associated with the six springs that are up in the State Park.

1050
01:51:39,000 --> 01:51:40,000
Where's the Orange Springs?

1051
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,000
Is that our district or your district?

1052
01:51:43,000 --> 01:51:47,000
We have South of Ocalo.

1053
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,000
If it's South of Ocalo, it's not an our district.

1054
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:53,000
We've got an our district.

1055
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:55,000
That's in Saint John's.

1056
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,000
I think that's on private land.

1057
01:51:57,000 --> 01:52:02,000
I tried to swim and they said I couldn't until I told him what I did and they said, well, how old would you like to swim?

1058
01:52:02,000 --> 01:52:04,000
I think they told me it was on private land.

1059
01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,000
Yes it is.

1060
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:21,000
This is a repeat, a simplified repeat of the earlier table we saw showing the proposed flow values for the Lower Santa Fe and its Chatechni rivers.

1061
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:32,000
Again, that the difference between the unimpacted flow and the MFL is shown in the highlighted in red.

1062
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:37,000
And that's the key, that's the key location to focus on.

1063
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:42,000
The results, as we had seen earlier, haven't changed much.

1064
01:52:42,000 --> 01:52:50,000
Moving forward from this and we've stripped out the existing columns in here, so this is just the new proposed values for the proposed MFL.

1065
01:52:50,000 --> 01:53:00,000
Let's see.

1066
01:53:00,000 --> 01:53:05,000
Big numbers at 2040.

1067
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:07,000
Yeah, I'm going to get my sheets right.

1068
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:12,000
So this table shows the status for the river gate for the three river gauges.

1069
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:18,000
And again, this is in, at the top, it shows that it's in CFS or cubic feet per second.

1070
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:22,000
That's the units of flow that we're looking at.

1071
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:34,000
The current 2015 impact, as you know, developed with the FSAG model, was 70.7 for the Lower Santa Fe River at Fort White.

1072
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:37,000
So the net is 32.3.

1073
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:43,000
So it is, you know, it is currently meeting the MFL as based on the model.

1074
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:52,000
Also, the Lower Santa Fe River at US441 as a current impact of 48.9 versus that RTF number in the first column of 50.

1075
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:56,000
So it's also currently meeting it by a very small amount.

1076
01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,000
This is as of 2015 recall.

1077
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:05,000
The Etch of Tuckney River has an RTF of the RTF less the MFL flow is 10 cubic feet per second.

1078
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:08,000
And the current 2015 impact is 15.4.

1079
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,000
So that shows that it's in recovery.

1080
01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:21,000
I think I'll present this just in terms of the, the colors we use on the previous slide of the traffic light.

1081
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:26,000
It shows that the Etch of Tuckney River would be shown to be shown to be in recovery.

1082
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:37,000
But both at based on the 2040 expected impacts both Lower Santa Fe River and Lower Santa Fe River at Fort White and at US441 are shown to be in prevention.

1083
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:46,000
Based on the expected water use from now up until 2040.

1084
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:56,000
And as compared to the existing status, the existing MFL currently shows that the Lower Santa Fe River at Fort White is in recovery.

1085
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:59,000
And that the Etch of Tuckney River is also in recovery.

1086
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:06,000
So the introduction of an F-sag model, which is our best tool for evaluating impacts of the upper floor at an aquifer in North Florida.

1087
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:20,000
And North Florida is, you know, came up with the difference, the main difference for why we've got prevention on those two Lower Santa Fe systems and a slightly higher recovery than we had before on the Etch of Tuckney.

1088
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:33,000
So recovery prevention strategy is required as a result of that analysis and recovery prevention strategy must be adopted concurrently with the MFL.

1089
01:55:33,000 --> 01:56:00,000
It must be expeditiously implemented and include a phased approach or timetable, which will allow for the provision of sufficient water supplies again for all existing and projected reasonable beneficial uses, including development of additional water supplies and the implementation of conservation of other efficiency measures concurrent with and to the maximum extent practical to offset reductions in permitted withdrawals.

1090
01:56:04,000 --> 01:56:29,000
The goal of the prevention strategy is to achieve recovery to the minimum flow or minimum water level no more than 20 years after the adoption of a recovery or prevention strategy, that's in the case of recovery, or to prevent the existing flow or water level from falling below the established minimum flow or minimum water level for those locations that are in prevention.

1091
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:45,000
And that strategy must include consideration of water resource and water supply development additional regulatory measures above and beyond what we have now an additional water conservation measures.

1092
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:54,000
The next steps now then are the development of a prevention strategy for the Santa Fe River and a recovery strategy for the Etch of Tuckney River.

1093
01:56:54,000 --> 01:57:04,000
Rule developments will be spearheaded by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection and Technical Assistance will be provided by both water management district staff.

1094
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:08,000
And I'd be happy to take any questions.

1095
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:15,000
Just a comment off I've been following your modeling initiative for quite some time.

1096
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:37,000
Forced landowners are are very interested in the benefits for groundwater recharge that the abundance of timber land in that part of Florida provides and we've been I believe there's been some comments to help to in the model to understand and recognize how those things.

1097
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:53,000
contribute to the recharge side of the equation and we talk a lot about consumption and planning for future supply and protecting these waterways and what doesn't get talked about.

1098
01:57:53,000 --> 01:58:07,000
I think as much as the recharge side of the equation and how land use and particularly timber land use has a value and a benefit that goes beyond just growing trees in terms of providing those opportunities.

1099
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:29,000
to get water back into the aquifer and I bring it up because the Swan and District I know has had some really interesting cooperative projects with forest landowners to do some of those things but there's a much greater opportunity out there I believe to incentivize forest landowners to.

1100
01:58:29,000 --> 01:58:45,000
continue to maintain that land use and preserve the value not only of the production of the timber crop but but to get the water back into the ground in a way that is is natural as it gets in that part of Florida.

1101
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:56,000
So I would just encourage both the Swan and our district to continue to think about that growing interest there's a name for it.

1102
01:58:56,000 --> 01:59:09,000
It's ecosystem services there's been some discussions they're very early around the state of how can there better framework to encourage incentivize those kinds of land uses.

1103
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:27,000
And I would just recognize again the cooperative projects that I'm familiar with particularly work sinks which is very interesting sometimes you might want to tell our board how that project went on to place very large recharge project.

1104
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:42,000
Brook sink is the largest sink home state of Florida and it's on project timber land and it had been ditched and drained around it and with cooperation from the Swan and District and was instrumental in getting this project launch.

1105
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:52,000
We got some money to route the water back into the sink where it goes basically fills up during a big flood event and recharge is right to the aquifer.

1106
01:59:52,000 --> 02:00:00,000
So those are that's an interesting and unique one but there are other broader opportunities that I think we should be considering.

1107
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,000
Yes, that is probably the most cost-effective recharge project that any water management district will ever get done.

1108
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,000
For the record, over the weekend there was a three to four inch rain in Bradford County.

1109
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:24,000
We finally got, it's not an easy place to monitor, we put monitoring in the bottom of the sink last year sometime.

1110
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:34,000
The water level in the sink came up from 13 to relative terms, 13 to 50 feet in the last three days.

1111
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:37,000
And that water is just waiting to get recharge.

1112
02:00:37,000 --> 02:00:41,000
So again, really, really cost-effective project.

1113
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:43,000
But I wish there were more sinks like that.

1114
02:00:43,000 --> 02:00:46,000
There are, there are a lot of timber land.

1115
02:00:46,000 --> 02:00:51,000
And that has the same value, it's just a slower process.

1116
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:58,000
There are some other really, you know, some with not quite that potential to close.

1117
02:00:58,000 --> 02:01:08,000
And I'd also like to note that we're undertaking research on timber companies land right now with the University of Florida to do just that.

1118
02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:12,000
You know, it's starting right now, but we'll be working on that over the University of Florida.

1119
02:01:12,000 --> 02:01:15,000
We're working on it over the next three to four years.

1120
02:01:15,000 --> 02:01:16,000
Excellent. Thank you.

1121
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,000
Again, to stream Florida, and important, like the other industries are.

1122
02:01:20,000 --> 02:01:21,000
Yes, sir.

1123
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:27,000
And that's why a doctorate tell us Black Creek project is important.

1124
02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:32,000
Because we bring the flood water, some saffron or black creek down the Keystone Heights.

1125
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:34,000
That's going to help with MFLs.

1126
02:01:34,000 --> 02:01:37,000
And that helps J.E.A. in North Florida.

1127
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:41,000
Because you flush the toilet and the Jacksonville comes right out of Keystone Heights.

1128
02:01:41,000 --> 02:01:45,000
And I think that, one of our mission strategies to get that done,

1129
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,000
and we're working on that.

1130
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:49,000
That's a good presentation today.

1131
02:01:49,000 --> 02:01:53,000
So we'll be looking at that project as well as a model for how we're going to be moving forward.

1132
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,000
You bet.

1133
02:01:55,000 --> 02:02:01,000
We have a public comment now for this for this presentation.

1134
02:02:01,000 --> 02:02:04,000
Okay.

1135
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:13,000
If it's regarding this item, then let's so recognize and pronounce today.

1136
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:16,000
Sir.

1137
02:02:16,000 --> 02:02:18,000
Here, recognize.

1138
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:20,000
So Johnson's approaching the podium.

1139
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,000
Public comment relative to.

1140
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:26,000
Looks like MFLs item.

1141
02:02:31,000 --> 02:02:35,000
Good morning, Mr. Chairman and governing board members.

1142
02:02:35,000 --> 02:02:38,000
Before I make a quick comment on this agenda item,

1143
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,000
I want to point out on the biosolids item.

1144
02:02:41,000 --> 02:02:49,000
CCUA produces a class double A biosolid of which we begin investing in that 15 years ago.

1145
02:02:49,000 --> 02:02:53,000
Significant investment in a public utility to make sure we're doing it properly.

1146
02:02:53,000 --> 02:03:00,000
Along with representing CCUA, we're closely with the members of the fellow utilities in the North Florida utility.

1147
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,000
Coordination group.

1148
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:03,000
Eight North Florida utilities.

1149
02:03:03,000 --> 02:03:04,000
Make up this group.

1150
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:06,000
And they are CCUA.

1151
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:07,000
J.E.A.

1152
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:12,000
The City of Neptune Beach Atlantic Beach.

1153
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:15,000
Jacksonville Beach and the town of Orange Park.

1154
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:17,000
Collectively, the customers.

1155
02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:24,000
We serve total roughly 1.2 million people in thousands of businesses in North Florida.

1156
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:30,000
We consider the publication of this assessment of the status of this MFL concerning.

1157
02:03:30,000 --> 02:03:36,000
We have expressed our intention to work with this wanting district staff and the development of these MFLs on

1158
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:38,000
many occasions.

1159
02:03:38,000 --> 02:03:43,000
Based on the poor response, I perceive our efforts have not been well received.

1160
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:52,000
For example, the North Florida utilities prepared and submitted comments to this wanting district staff on January 20, 2020.

1161
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:58,000
In early January 2021, we receive responses to stakeholder comments.

1162
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:08,000
The swanie district staff only responded to our summary page while ignoring 13 pages of technical content.

1163
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:18,000
The North Florida utilities have serious and significant issues with the scientific and technical foundation of the assessment of the status of this MFL.

1164
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:27,000
Several of our comments on the MFL were consistent with the swanie district's own peer reviewers, as well as other stakeholders.

1165
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:36,000
With our comments being largely ignored, we do not consider the peer reviewers and other stakeholders comments adequately addressed either.

1166
02:04:36,000 --> 02:04:42,000
This MFL was first adopted in 2015 by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection.

1167
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:53,000
Even then, stakeholders knew and understood this MFL required additional scientific evaluation and development of sound public policy approach.

1168
02:04:53,000 --> 02:05:00,000
This time, the swanie district has approved 120 new and modified consumptive use permits.

1169
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:15,000
These new or modified it modified cuffs translate into an increase of 7MGD of water supply allocation and relative proximity to the MFL in question further impairing these water bodies.

1170
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:19,000
In the past few years, we have been able to do a lot of things and not for protection act as previously mentioned.

1171
02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:27,000
It requires the St. John's district to provide a minimum of 25% of the total project cost to address these MFLs.

1172
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:31,000
I understand the swanie district is exempt from the funding requirement.

1173
02:05:31,000 --> 02:05:39,000
Based on these facts and the significant investments the public utilities are already making an alternative water supply development.

1174
02:05:39,000 --> 02:05:51,000
The district may adversely impact many people given the potential size and cost of the projects without the support of sound science or public policy.

1175
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:57,000
Given the stakes to protect Florida's natural resources and the cost to all of us.

1176
02:05:57,000 --> 02:06:06,000
We have invested interest to make sure the science supporting these MFLs is sound and they support rational public policy.

1177
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:15,000
The majority utilities respectfully request the support of this governing board and that of the St. John's district staff and requesting the swanie district.

1178
02:06:15,000 --> 02:06:24,000
Return to a process that meaningfully engages public stakeholders aimed at scientifically defensible MFLs and sound public policy.

1179
02:06:24,000 --> 02:06:27,000
Thank you for your time and consideration.

1180
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:29,000
Thank you for the presentation sir.

1181
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:35,000
I'll ask Dr. Shortel to review your comments and we'll proceed accordingly again.

1182
02:06:36,000 --> 02:06:45,000
All right. We've all in information item nine Mr. Rockwell on the investment report.

1183
02:06:53,000 --> 02:06:56,000
Greg and ask for a short report.

1184
02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:59,000
Good afternoon Mr. Chair.

1185
02:06:59,000 --> 02:07:00,000
Thank you.

1186
02:07:00,000 --> 02:07:05,000
My name is Greg Rockwell. I am your accounting director.

1187
02:07:05,000 --> 02:07:14,000
My pleasure here today to report and present the highlights of agenda item number nine our investment report.

1188
02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:21,000
The full presentation as prepared by public trusted advisors is including your governing board packet.

1189
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:29,000
Today I'm going to present a condensed version but I will use the same page numbers to so if you were to follow it would make it easier.

1190
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:39,000
Mr. John Grady with PTA is here today should you have any questions of his report.

1191
02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:58,000
Just as a reminder to public trusted advisors they manage our long for term investment portfolio and for our district's long term expenses and reserves whereas the counting office we manage the day to day cash and our liquidity needs for the short term.

1192
02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,000
Okay.

1193
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:16,000
This slide here we can see that the investment yield is 1.37 as of December 31, 2020 and the duration was 1.95 years.

1194
02:08:16,000 --> 02:08:27,000
If we compare that to October 1, 2020 you can see that the duration is going up and the investment yield is going down.

1195
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:37,000
That's because when we have maturities we are having to invest those at rates that are lower we can.

1196
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:52,000
The bottom chart by chart there you can see 99.5% of our individual district investments are double a rated or better so can't get much better than that.

1197
02:08:52,000 --> 02:09:14,000
Right here we can see we have a well-duked diversified and highly where he said it was highly rated portfolio here and 42% of our individual investments holdings are at a book value of 1.75% or better.

1198
02:09:14,000 --> 02:09:27,000
The far right home you can see that the district's investments are all in compliance with our district policy and with state statutes.

1199
02:09:27,000 --> 02:09:36,000
The slide here this illustrates the current labor market and the unemployment rates.

1200
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:50,000
The top chart you can see that the economy lost 22 million jobs March and this through April then it recovered 12.3 million jobs from May through November.

1201
02:09:50,000 --> 02:09:58,000
And we keep having renewed restrictions for COVID.

1202
02:09:58,000 --> 02:10:11,000
In the bottom chart we have a nationwide unemployment rate that dropped to 6.7% in November from April high of 14.7%

1203
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:30,000
And Florida's unemployment rate which is in the green line went from a pre pandemic low of 2.8% to April 20 high of 13.8 and then came back down to 6.4% in November.

1204
02:10:30,000 --> 02:10:59,000
Next slide here shows that the CPI the customer price index is below the feds 2% target rate you see that red box so interest rates will not rise until our economy gets back up to 2% level that's a federal like to see in the bottom chart shows that the GDP gross domestic product.

1205
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:17,000
Contracted the most ever since it was recorded in 1947 and then quickly rebounded as just as fast in the same year in the strength and speed of the economic recovery will depend upon consumer and business spending.

1206
02:11:17,000 --> 02:11:33,000
In this last slide we can see the interest rates for the US treasuries which are at historically low levels back where we saw back for 10 years there were low levels while they're back there now and they are expected to remain low.

1207
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:45,000
For the near term as the market value it's economic recovery efforts the government stimulus and efficiency and effectiveness of the new covid vaccine.

1208
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:51,000
With that I'm happy to answer any questions and Mr. John.

1209
02:11:51,000 --> 02:12:01,000
Thank you very much for that presentation appreciate good work thank you sir and back for good work you're doing for us.

1210
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:05,000
Okay that includes I'm not a conclusion I'm not information only.

1211
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:10,000
Item 10 public comment I think we have a visitor.

1212
02:12:10,000 --> 02:12:25,000
Chair recognizes Mr. Linda Moss for three minutes.

1213
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:38,000
Moss is approaching the podium now and when you get to a map he's state your name and city for the record and you recognize for three minutes.

1214
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,000
I'm Linda Moss.

1215
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:43,000
I'm from the very sport.

1216
02:12:43,000 --> 02:12:54,000
I live on the apocalyptic now that comes right off of Lake Apapaca and goes right into the hair's chain of lakes into Lake Bucclair.

1217
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:57,000
I've lived there for 28 years.

1218
02:12:57,000 --> 02:13:08,000
I had nine foot of water behind my house to put my boat up until 2004 when we had the hurricanes.

1219
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:19,000
And then I still didn't have muck behind my house until about two weeks later when someone decided to open the lock the the dam.

1220
02:13:19,000 --> 02:13:36,000
And then everything that they held back up in Lake Apapaca downstream which was 623 acre feet if you know how much that is that's enough to fill the entire state bill.

1221
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:46,000
So therefore the residents or canals were filled to the top and the community of innocent village we had.

1222
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:56,000
We had about 250 homes there but one of the canals this by my house goes about three and a half miles all the way back to Shirley shores.

1223
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:06,000
Another sort of division and we're a community or community of about 250 to 750 thousand dollar homes.

1224
02:14:06,000 --> 02:14:10,000
Not that it makes any difference on what the value of the home is.

1225
02:14:10,000 --> 02:14:15,000
The tragedy is what we've all lost and what we lost then.

1226
02:14:15,000 --> 02:14:23,000
Eventually eventually 10 years later after we all sat on muck.

1227
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:28,000
We finally got a small dredging we got.

1228
02:14:28,000 --> 02:14:37,000
They passed it off as the Lake Boat Claire Dredging project and so therefore there was some dredging done there.

1229
02:14:37,000 --> 02:14:46,000
I believe that DEP and St. John's paid for that then but you'll have to double check with your officers now.

1230
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:59,000
The thing of it is they came in to our residential canals as an afterthought then and they took out four feet of the nine feet that was in there and said they didn't have any more money.

1231
02:14:59,000 --> 02:15:00,000
So that's.

1232
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,000
We were left all these years, and with the smell. My way of life, and all of my neighbors way of life, has disintegrated entirely since that time, but then, come 2017, we have another event, and with that, comes more muck, comes more sediment, and comes directly into our canal,

1233
02:15:29,000 --> 02:15:58,000
to our canal, more than even goes out into Lake Boclair. So, I have thought that, I have Lake Jim Cleanwater Project that has been brought about by this, and there are, of course, the neighborhood, we have about 300 and some members, plus all of the fishermen, I am a fisherman, and I belong to all the clubs, and our fishing has been just incredibly in that area.

1234
02:15:58,000 --> 02:16:27,000
So, I assume that if you all do cover the Harris chain of lakes, because this has really, really put a downfall on the Lake Boclair and Lake Dorf fishing, and the FWC has been involved, Harris restoration council, while they were still in business until somebody's sunshine, was right in, it's right on it, and they were really working with Lisa, to, to come in.

1235
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:53,000
Come up with the solution, because we can't even dredge because it's going to happen again, so until there is a resolution found, I'm begging you, to please bring in the core of engineers, because your engineers are not capable of apparently finding a resolution.

1236
02:16:53,000 --> 02:17:15,000
Now, I didn't have a muck problem into your 2000, remember that. So, there is a reason, there has to be a way, I've been on the water, my entire life, I've been in sediment and muck in other places, but I've never seen anything like the liquid muck to sit on the bottom of Lake Boclair.

1237
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:34,000
I'm asking you to please as a board to bring in the core of engineers to help us, because this is my life, this is 13 years of my retirement life, spent on this subject, to the point where I have no life anymore to speak of.

1238
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:50,000
So, if you would please help us, I really beg of you, and to help save the Harris chain of lakes, you know, you're transferring the muck from Lake Apopka for the restoration, it's just been transferred down to Lake Boclair and Lake Bora.

1239
02:17:50,000 --> 02:18:03,000
I mean, that's where it's at and bravo, because everybody is glad of it, they don't have the expensive grazing it, let it go. So, you know, and I have one question that I would like to know.

1240
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:05,000
I've been very generous and talking.

1241
02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:09,000
You have your three minutes over, so please bring it to a question.

1242
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:10,000
I will, I think.

1243
02:18:10,000 --> 02:18:11,000
And thank you.

1244
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:13,000
And thank you very much, sir.

1245
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:24,000
I have one question that I would like to know, I would like to know the wind, any pumping at all goes on on the north shore of Lake Apopka.

1246
02:18:24,000 --> 02:18:28,000
I'd like to know where it gets, where the water, where it gets pumped too.

1247
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:34,000
I'd like to know exactly where the pumping is going on, and where out in Lake Apopka, this is getting pumped too.

1248
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:38,000
I'd like to know the answer to that question today.

1249
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:46,000
I'm not on trial here, ma'am. I appreciate the input. I'll defer to staff for that, but that's not what we do.

1250
02:18:46,000 --> 02:18:47,000
I understand.

1251
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:49,000
But I brought a position.

1252
02:18:49,000 --> 02:18:50,000
I wanted to bring it up.

1253
02:18:50,000 --> 02:18:52,000
Thank you very much.

1254
02:18:52,000 --> 02:18:53,000
Please call me.

1255
02:18:53,000 --> 02:18:58,000
Listen, we've looked into this. Chairman McClows before me has looked into it extensively.

1256
02:18:58,000 --> 02:19:00,000
Our legal staff looked into it.

1257
02:19:00,000 --> 02:19:01,000
Experts look in.

1258
02:19:01,000 --> 02:19:06,000
Ma'am with with with just the strong conviction I can make.

1259
02:19:06,000 --> 02:19:08,000
This is not our liability.

1260
02:19:08,000 --> 02:19:09,000
Sir, I'm not.

1261
02:19:09,000 --> 02:19:10,000
I'm not.

1262
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:11,000
I'm not even saying it.

1263
02:19:11,000 --> 02:19:12,000
We're not arguing.

1264
02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,000
I'm talking.

1265
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:14,000
Yeah.

1266
02:19:14,000 --> 02:19:18,000
Perhaps you need to make a presentation to the core of engineers, because it is not ours.

1267
02:19:18,000 --> 02:19:21,000
It looks like from what I can tell I'm not an expert.

1268
02:19:21,000 --> 02:19:25,000
That you're original developer, miscued on how they set this up.

1269
02:19:25,000 --> 02:19:27,000
And it's set conditions.

1270
02:19:27,000 --> 02:19:29,000
So when a hurricane comes, you get what you got.

1271
02:19:29,000 --> 02:19:30,000
We didn't do this.

1272
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:32,000
Our staff says we didn't do this.

1273
02:19:32,000 --> 02:19:37,000
We tried to do everything we could to see if there was some opportunity for mitigation.

1274
02:19:37,000 --> 02:19:38,000
It's not legally there.

1275
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,000
We cannot do that.

1276
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:41,000
We don't have the authority to do it.

1277
02:19:41,000 --> 02:19:44,000
And maybe take your case to the head of the water.

1278
02:19:44,000 --> 02:19:46,000
Core of engineers in Jacksonville.

1279
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:48,000
And maybe they look at something they can do.

1280
02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,000
So thank you.

1281
02:19:50,000 --> 02:19:52,000
May I just say that?

1282
02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:53,000
Ma'am.

1283
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:54,000
It's not for debate.

1284
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:55,000
I appreciate your input.

1285
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:56,000
Okay.

1286
02:19:56,000 --> 02:19:57,000
Thank you very much.

1287
02:19:57,000 --> 02:19:59,000
I appreciate your listening.

1288
02:19:59,000 --> 02:20:00,000
We have new board members.

1289
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:01,000
I thought might be expensive.

1290
02:20:01,000 --> 02:20:02,000
Yes, thank you.

1291
02:20:05,000 --> 02:20:06,000
Okay.

1292
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:09,000
Assistant Director Kelly has another public comment.

1293
02:20:09,000 --> 02:20:10,000
Is that correct?

1294
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,000
Sure.

1295
02:20:14,000 --> 02:20:15,000
Commissioner.

1296
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,000
Yes, I think at the groundbreaking.

1297
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:19,000
We there.

1298
02:20:19,000 --> 02:20:24,000
Another John Wayne looking individual.

1299
02:20:24,000 --> 02:20:26,000
Okay, sir.

1300
02:20:26,000 --> 02:20:30,000
Chair recognizes you and you appreciate you being here in your public services.

1301
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:31,000
Well, Commissioner.

1302
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:35,000
Good afternoon.

1303
02:20:35,000 --> 02:20:37,000
I guess it's afternoon slightly afternoon.

1304
02:20:37,000 --> 02:20:39,000
It's nice to meet all of you.

1305
02:20:39,000 --> 02:20:42,000
The only governing board member I do know is.

1306
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:46,000
Remember going because she lives in our neck of the woods.

1307
02:20:46,000 --> 02:20:53,000
We thank you very much for all that you guys do to protect our waterways and our water supply.

1308
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:58,000
I wanted to mention, I'm not here really in an official capacity on behalf of the city.

1309
02:20:58,000 --> 02:20:59,000
But.

1310
02:20:59,000 --> 02:21:03,000
Our city in December adopted a real pro conservation initiative.

1311
02:21:03,000 --> 02:21:07,560
had a planning meeting on that, and there's more to come, and we're going to be reaching

1312
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:13,120
out to your staff to work with us, our city borders on the south side of, like, just

1313
02:21:13,120 --> 02:21:20,800
up. And so we're going to be working a lot more with the district on those water quality

1314
02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:25,840
issues and how we can be a better partner in that regard. But a neighbor of my not Galloway

1315
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:31,160
who's retired Naval Officer and engineer on his own initiative did a 13-month study

1316
02:21:31,160 --> 02:21:36,760
of the Hunter Smart System. These are the Smart Water Irrigation Control Systems. I wanted

1317
02:21:36,760 --> 02:21:41,560
to bring this to your attention. I know he had been communicating with Deirdre Irwin,

1318
02:21:41,560 --> 02:21:47,160
but in a 13th month period in 2019, and he single family home right around the corner

1319
02:21:47,160 --> 02:21:57,560
for me, literally right around the corner. His 13-month water irrigation was 147,340 gallons.

1320
02:21:57,560 --> 02:22:04,560
By implementing this Hunter Smart System in the same 13-month period 2020, he reduced it

1321
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:14,320
to 23,590 gallons. For an 84% reduction in irrigation utilization using the Smart Systems.

1322
02:22:14,320 --> 02:22:18,880
And I understand the district has a cost sharing program on things of this matter. We're

1323
02:22:18,880 --> 02:22:24,360
going to probably be, I'm going to ask my commission to launch an initiative to do this.

1324
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:32,160
We have too many of our residents using potable water for irrigation and we're 90% residential

1325
02:22:32,160 --> 02:22:38,360
community. And we're going to look at this and look at partnering with the district to see how

1326
02:22:38,360 --> 02:22:44,320
quickly we can bring down so that potable water utilization using this technology. And I thank

1327
02:22:44,320 --> 02:22:50,560
you for I haven't had any dialogue just yet. Nor has our commission, but we're going to be doing

1328
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:55,760
it shortly. We're looking at ways to conserve potable water. And we think this might be

1329
02:22:55,760 --> 02:23:02,560
a very smart one. I don't know if the district has ever considered regulations mandating systems

1330
02:23:02,560 --> 02:23:07,960
like this going forward. I don't know exactly, and I'm not, I'm not, you're, I'm not, you're

1331
02:23:07,960 --> 02:23:15,160
going to be up to the municipalities in terms of mandating, but we certainly, well, we're going

1332
02:23:15,160 --> 02:23:18,760
to appreciate your interest in what conservation. I'm going to bring it up because I know

1333
02:23:18,760 --> 02:23:23,960
that's very important to the district. And so, when I brought this information to my attention,

1334
02:23:23,960 --> 02:23:28,240
I thought I would stop by since you guys are here today. Sure. And share it with you. So thank

1335
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:30,560
you very much. And thank you for all the good work that you do.

1336
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:36,440
Thank you, Commissioner, for that presentation. And all of us need to do better at water savings

1337
02:23:36,440 --> 02:23:44,960
and water recycling. So thank you for that. That takes us down to governing board comments.

1338
02:23:45,960 --> 02:23:51,960
Ladies and gentlemen, comments. Thank you. Next slide of 25.

1339
02:23:51,960 --> 02:23:56,960
Executive director's board, Dr. Shorttell. You're recognized.

1340
02:23:56,960 --> 02:24:04,400
Thank you, General. Members of the board. First off, I'd like to pass my time over to our General

1341
02:24:04,400 --> 02:24:12,720
Council. Mary, I'm a clerk for an update. And as required by District Policy, I am to report to you

1342
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:18,160
any new lawsuits that receives receives since the last board meeting. In your black folder,

1343
02:24:18,160 --> 02:24:24,720
there's a very short summary. We did receive. We were named in a lawsuit filed in Duval County

1344
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:32,720
in the last week. It appears to be a matter involving a property dispute between a homeowner

1345
02:24:32,720 --> 02:24:39,080
and a homeowner's association and a lot owner. We were named in the lawsuit primarily because we have

1346
02:24:39,080 --> 02:24:47,120
a conservation easement that is part of the dispute. So there appears to be a slight

1347
02:24:47,120 --> 02:24:53,160
encouragement into that easement. As the property ownership dispute is resolved, it'll likely

1348
02:24:53,160 --> 02:25:00,600
be that will resolve our issue with regard to the conservation easement. So they're not asking us

1349
02:25:00,600 --> 02:25:05,880
for anything at this point. We've just been named because we have a property interest. But this isn't

1350
02:25:05,960 --> 02:25:10,040
the first time we've had a case like this, where there's been a dispute and there happen to be

1351
02:25:10,040 --> 02:25:16,920
a conservation easement in the middle of the dispute. They usually work themselves out and we get

1352
02:25:17,800 --> 02:25:23,960
things taken care of, but I did want you to let you know that that had been filed last week. That's all

1353
02:25:23,960 --> 02:25:30,200
I had on that. Thank you. Appreciate that. Doctor Short Hill. Thank you. I'm understand on my borrowed

1354
02:25:30,200 --> 02:25:37,480
time. Stand up between you and lunch boxes. So I'll be brief. Take all the time you need, ma'am.

1355
02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:44,520
Thank you. Appreciate you. Next slide. So our February employee of the month, LaDana, it's the

1356
02:25:45,960 --> 02:25:55,080
teams meeting that we had to announce that she's the one right in the middle of this screen with a nice

1357
02:25:55,080 --> 02:26:03,720
big grin on her face. She is a Senior Business Support Specialist and in our Palacca office

1358
02:26:04,440 --> 02:26:14,200
and the Office of Business and Administrative Services. She is very well thought of by her peers and by

1359
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:21,960
all of us who are the beneficiaries of the work that she does. She's very adaptable and flexible. She

1360
02:26:21,960 --> 02:26:28,680
overcomes obstacles creatively without making a big fuss. Instead of saying, well we can't do it

1361
02:26:28,680 --> 02:26:36,600
because of all of these things. She's like, hmm, let's turn this on a dime a little bit and do it a

1362
02:26:36,600 --> 02:26:45,880
little bit differently. So she's solution oriented and that's what we all aspire to be to get our

1363
02:26:45,880 --> 02:26:53,560
jobs done. She works across our organizational boundaries, you know, from a staffing perspective,

1364
02:26:54,280 --> 02:27:04,920
which is probably a very, very important attribute, right, to be flexible and to look for solutions.

1365
02:27:04,920 --> 02:27:11,240
She especially supports the needs of finance, procurement and facilities and she's positive and

1366
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:15,400
optimistic and everyone loves working with her. Congratulations to LaDana.

1367
02:27:16,120 --> 02:27:23,240
Let's fight the counterperson. We all like to be around. Absolutely. Not very long ago, a couple of weeks ago,

1368
02:27:23,240 --> 02:27:30,520
we were invited by the Florida Councilman's Association to tour a couple of ranches in the upper basin.

1369
02:27:30,520 --> 02:27:39,800
Here's a few of the pictures from that day. It started out very foggy, but we were happy to join

1370
02:27:40,440 --> 02:27:47,560
in that tour and many of you participated. We appreciated that. I certainly learned a lot about

1371
02:27:47,560 --> 02:27:58,520
the land and water stewardship of our ranchers, very impressed on lots of different fronts and we also

1372
02:27:58,520 --> 02:28:05,640
got the bonus of getting to see Taylor Creek Reservoir and the associated areas of agriculture for

1373
02:28:05,640 --> 02:28:11,880
those tea cups that you approve every each and every month. That was fabulous tour.

1374
02:28:11,880 --> 02:28:17,000
Most people don't understand it. We do have a 300,000 acre ranch in Florida that's managed by

1375
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:23,880
purple. People very concerned about water use in the environment and another 100,000 acre ranch. That was

1376
02:28:23,880 --> 02:28:31,880
a Desiree ranch and then Billy Kimford's a Kimford family, small 100,000 acre ranch. Just people so

1377
02:28:31,880 --> 02:28:37,320
concerned about the environment, what they're doing, how efficient they're using our water supply. That was

1378
02:28:37,320 --> 02:28:47,000
well, well earned tour. Thank you. Thank you. Our chemistry laboratory in Palacca has once again

1379
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:55,400
shined in what turned out to be a virtual assessment this year. I think I've already reported on the fact

1380
02:28:55,400 --> 02:29:05,720
that when we were initially shut down with the pandemic, our monitoring folks were still out in the

1381
02:29:05,720 --> 02:29:12,280
field, collecting data, bringing in samples, what we're going to do about the laboratory and they

1382
02:29:13,000 --> 02:29:21,480
proactively went to two shifts and have done a fantastic job in keeping that laboratory going and really

1383
02:29:21,480 --> 02:29:31,480
adapting to the years that all of us have been in and they remain right now on two shifts because

1384
02:29:31,480 --> 02:29:40,680
it's working out fabulously for everybody. Meanwhile, the need for audits of laboratories and the

1385
02:29:40,680 --> 02:29:48,120
like, that doesn't go away. I mean, it's the audits that provide that third party look in to ensure that

1386
02:29:48,120 --> 02:29:54,520
integrity of the data upon which all of the scientific analyses that we do, that then back up the

1387
02:29:54,520 --> 02:30:00,120
recommendations that we make to you all, these are important things. This was-

1388
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:28,000
As done virtually this year, they pass with flying colors again. Their track record is outstanding. And if I may, I just want to read the comments from the lead, assessor, no concerns. This was a very well-organized laboratory with very knowledgeable staff. The electronic processes you have in place are excellent in preventing errors in quality.

1389
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:38,000
All data were easily retrievable and traceable in your current systems. Congratulations on a job well done. Congratulations to the laboratory.

1390
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:48,000
Please pass along to Board's appreciation to your team that's making that happen. And also, as you know, if you have a laboratory, you need to modernize it no matter if you got it yesterday.

1391
02:30:48,000 --> 02:30:57,000
So make sure you keep the Board of Prize a what, technologically advanced equipment they need to continue to do this good work.

1392
02:30:57,000 --> 02:31:01,000
I've seen some of these labs of National Guard as a mobile lab.

1393
02:31:01,000 --> 02:31:11,000
It's not that big of vehicle. Probably has $2 million worth of lab equipment in it for analyzing all sorts of things in the air, whereas you're analyzing mostly things in the ground.

1394
02:31:11,000 --> 02:31:17,000
So bring that to us. We'll look at it. We want to make sure someone is working that hard has the latest equipment to do business with.

1395
02:31:17,000 --> 02:31:30,000
We appreciate that. General, I will pass on the Board's thanks and this is a perfect segue into the next item because we do upgrade our equipment.

1396
02:31:30,000 --> 02:31:44,000
We put items in the budget and have been keeping up with technologies so that we have not necessarily the next shiny object,

1397
02:31:44,000 --> 02:32:03,000
but keeping up with industry standards. And as we do that, we have useful serviceable equipment that gets surplus under our governing board policy for surplusing, which is still very useful equipment in the right hands.

1398
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:30,000
And it turns out, the right hands are in Silver River Museum and we're in Marion County Schools. We have leadership there at Vanguard High School that have worked under the Blue Schools grant program and became inspired to develop a, you know, a water related laboratory at the museum.

1399
02:32:30,000 --> 02:32:40,000
That, that could benefit school students throughout Marion County that teachers names, I think, Mr. Hunter.

1400
02:32:40,000 --> 02:32:54,000
And you see some of the pictures here. They very happily are the recipients of some donated equipment that's perfectly serviceable.

1401
02:32:54,000 --> 02:33:03,000
The original acquisition cost for the equipment that they now have to set up this laboratory, a quarter of a million dollars.

1402
02:33:03,000 --> 02:33:11,000
So our lab is very well equipped and now Marion County Schools has one too.

1403
02:33:12,000 --> 02:33:29,000
We have signs up with the help of Lake County Water Authority in we have locks on the upper Oklahoma lakes in the district in the Lake County Water Authority as the water quality improves.

1404
02:33:29,000 --> 02:33:41,000
We have more manatees coming up moving around. We've even had reports of them all the way up to Lake Apaca. That's still rare, but not, they're out there.

1405
02:33:41,000 --> 02:33:58,000
So with more manatees moving around and up and down that system, it's important to remind voters who are not as used to seeing manatees in this part of our chain that, you know, slow down and watch for manatees.

1406
02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:03,000
So we've got new signs up, thanks and a shout out to Lake County Water Authority.

1407
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:16,000
And I also wanted you to know that under our lock tenders contract, we have them increasing their surveillance and observations of manatees.

1408
02:34:16,000 --> 02:34:27,000
So that we have better information to share with FWC and the local counties about the sea cows that are in our midst.

1409
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:41,000
Those of you who are able to join us yesterday, we had such such a great event for the Apaca Service Center ground breaking.

1410
02:34:41,000 --> 02:35:00,000
Generally you did a great job as our primary speaker want to thank everybody I especially wanted to thank Lisa and her team for their work with the contracts and with the consultants that are working on this.

1411
02:35:01,000 --> 02:35:08,000
But yesterday was a lot, it was just fun. It was great to be together. It was great to be able to look out over Lake Apaca.

1412
02:35:08,000 --> 02:35:20,000
It was great to share those moments with the city of Apaca, the mayor and councilmen and women who were able to attend, which we appreciated.

1413
02:35:20,000 --> 02:35:30,000
And lots of stakeholders, friends of Lake Apaca, Orange, Audubon, and many others.

1414
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:44,000
We then had time for a tour on the North Shore and many of you got to see some of the projects that are in place and going into place on the North Shore to help improve water quality in the lake.

1415
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:47,000
I'm going to copy that slide right there.

1416
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:48,000
Sure.

1417
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:50,000
Let's meet, join everybody together.

1418
02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:52,000
I have an important question.

1419
02:35:52,000 --> 02:35:54,000
Who won bird bingo?

1420
02:35:57,000 --> 02:35:59,000
Who cheated the least?

1421
02:36:03,000 --> 02:36:05,000
Bird bingo was awesome.

1422
02:36:05,000 --> 02:36:07,000
It was fun. That was a great idea.

1423
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:10,000
Janet, are you climbing to climb in the wind?

1424
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:16,000
Okay, last but not least.

1425
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:25,000
You heard yesterday on that tour that the bald eagle population on the North Shore is expanding.

1426
02:36:25,000 --> 02:36:30,000
There's several nests in unexpected places.

1427
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:36,000
And you saw with your own eyes thousands upon thousands of birds everywhere.

1428
02:36:36,000 --> 02:36:41,000
So this is a wildlife haven, the restoration there.

1429
02:36:41,000 --> 02:36:48,000
It's it's working for the water quality in the lake, but it's also working for habitat restoration.

1430
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:58,000
And sometimes we can human beings can kind of love things a little too much or a little too closely.

1431
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:05,000
And on the North Shore, when the wildlife drive is open, it can get very crowded and sometimes.

1432
02:37:05,000 --> 02:37:16,000
That combined with nesting and new families of baby birds can be.

1433
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:23,000
Abalancing act right everybody wants to see and when you when you see nature.

1434
02:37:23,000 --> 02:37:33,000
And it's right before your eyes, I think people learn to be conservationists in their own right because they understand what they're protecting.

1435
02:37:33,000 --> 02:37:39,000
Which is important, but you can't love them so much that you're writing.

1436
02:37:39,000 --> 02:37:43,000
Birds off the nest and abandoning nests and things like that.

1437
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:52,000
So recently, we had the opportunity to see that we had nests in an area that got a little bit too much attention.

1438
02:37:52,000 --> 02:38:00,000
We shut down that area, which for the protection of the of the family of birds until the birds fled.

1439
02:38:00,000 --> 02:38:16,000
And we're very thankful to our Audubon Florida Eagle Watch volunteers who are, I'll say, keeping an eagle out for all of our eagles nest and helping us with that data collection.

1440
02:38:16,000 --> 02:38:27,000
So thanks to everybody who is patient when we have to close areas like this and happy Valentine's Day.

1441
02:38:28,000 --> 02:38:33,000
Uh-oh, you needed that little shout out there.

1442
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:44,000
From like from a calendar perspective, we will be back in Palacca for our governing board meeting per usual second Tuesday in March, March 9th.

1443
02:38:44,000 --> 02:38:45,000
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

1444
02:38:45,000 --> 02:38:48,000
Thank you, Dr. Chow. That report.

1445
02:38:48,000 --> 02:38:50,000
Any other comments from the board?

1446
02:38:50,000 --> 02:38:52,000
Well, adjourn a meeting.

1447
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:53,000
Thank you.

1448
02:38:57,000 --> 02:38:59,000
Thank you.

1449
02:39:27,000 --> 02:39:29,000
Thank you.