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call this meeting to order on Monday
August 5th for the St Jo city council to

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start we stand for the Pledge of

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Allegiance

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States Li and justice for

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all item number two public comment
anybody that's wanting to address the

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council for any issues not on tonight's
agenda you can step forward again that'd

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be for anything that is not on tonight's
agenda seeing nobody step forward we'll

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close public comment item number three
approval of the agenda second we have a

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motion as a second all those in favor
signify by I I all those opposed motion

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carries item number four consent

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agenda second I would like to pull item
four I just for further explanation from

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Randy if he could do that for us uh all
those in favor of approving the consent

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agenda except for 4 I I say I
I all those

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opposed so carried Randy could you
expand upon for I the approval

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resolution and amending resolution for
the El Street East extension I think

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we're at least in conert between Lori
and I uh I believe this is in response

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to feedback from the city's Bond Council
uh typically when we're conducting

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improvements under the 429
process um there are Provisions with

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that are somewhat that are time
sensitive with respect to certain

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actions from the council um after the
public Improvement hearing after

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presentation of the feasibility report
and so considering that the Elm Street

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improvements were delayed uh in this
case due to to write ofo acquisition

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concerns I think the Bond Council had
recommended to to the council that or to

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the city that they amend the resolution
reflecting that it's taking longer than

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a year uh from our original action and
and so that's uh the purpose for that

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that language modification or I
summarize that accurately that's exactly

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the recommendation from Bond council is
just to extend it that the bids will be

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let no later than such a period of time
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we based on the information that we have
best estimate would be June 30th of

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2025 for that project
okay so the the statute does provide for

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instance like this when it does take
longer uh longer than a year but we want

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it memorialized in in the resolution so
that's why it's being brought

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back okay well thank you for the
clarity Adam can I make a comment yeah

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just for the audience and people
watching on Zoom so what we're talking

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about is that we thought earlier in the
year that

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roundabout by Cashwise in the
McDonald's we thought that would be

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happening the construction and it's not
going to happen because of right of way

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issues so that won't be constructed
until 2025 correct is that accurate

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that's accurate yeah because I don't
think that's been reported in the news

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leaders or anything it's just been in
our own minutes and stuff it's my

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understanding Stern County may have
published it on their website right but

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but I don't know that it's been in print
per se sh on our Facebook

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page okay I just reporting in progress
clarify that

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okay well with that I move to approve
item 4 I from the consent agenda second

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all those in favor signify by I I all
those

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opposed motion carries item number five
from engineer reports public hearing the

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special assessment hearing for the 2024
Street improvements in 2024 Elm Street

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East
improvements believe you got that cover

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Randy I I'll start and U my colleague
Bryce will will will follow up so good

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evening uh my name is Randy sabart I'm
the city engineer with me this evening

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is Bryce Johnson also on the engineering
team uh as the uh as Adam had indicated

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uh tonight we're starting the what we
call the special assessment hearing uh

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when the city proposes public
improvements under the chapter 429 uh

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statute we're required to conduct two
public Improvement hearings the first

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and or public hearings I should say the
first hearing was conducted mid January

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January 16th which is what's referred to
as the public Improvement hearing at

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that hearing the city presents uh the
nature of its proposed public

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improvements provides an opportunity for
the residents to um provide input or

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questions on the nature of the project
at that point we provide a preliminary

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estimate of the costs uh the preliminary
estimate of the impacts from a special

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assessment perspective uh the second
hearing which is tonight is what we

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refer to as the special assessment
hearing so at this at this hearing the

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city presents uh what are anticipated to
be the final costs associated with that

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particular public Improvement and so we
have a a brief slideshow this evening

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that that Bryce will will get into and
then there'll be a period for uh uh for

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questions so with that I'll turn it over
to my colleague here Bryce Johnson

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that'll work through the uh the slides
if you didn't notice uh uh at the table

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outside the door there's a CO a hard
copy of these slides so that you could

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follow
along all right thank you Randy again

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I'm Bryce Johnson with SE I will be
presenting the slides here for the 2024

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Street
improvements so the project locations we

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have are Kiwi Court kale Court 295th
Street from Kiwi Court to 91st Avenue

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Pearl Drive and 30 Fourth Street from
botser drive to Coler Court uh the

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kleinfelter Park Trail and the Liberty
Point Trail this is a map showing those

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locations within the
city these are the projected final total

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project costs so
um the second column from the left is

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the estimated cost at the public
hearing now there after the public

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hearing there was a change an amendment
to the scope of the project so again the

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that First Column with numbers is the
the estimated cost at the public hearing

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after that scope changed that middle
column shows our estimated cost at the

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public hearing just of that amended
scope which is smaller which will be uh

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detailed later and then on the on the
right we have

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the projected final cost of the project
as we sit tonight after the project has

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been bid so our con as we sit tonight
our construction total is

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$786,500 we then have $3,000 for the
feasibility report

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$181,000 of design and construction
engineering $115,000 of soil borings

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$63,000 of legal fiscal and
administrative costs for a grand total

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of 1,75 th000 $75,900

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so again this this is the project area
based on the original scope so you can

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see
the project

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costs get my laser pointer here you can
see the estimated costs here in this

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column and then again our our proposed
final cost here so this morning Side

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neighborhood leaf road and polar Circle
are no longer part of the project

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area for this year's project for this
year's project yep they've simply been

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delayed um so here this is the the same
column just with these these uh delayed

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areas deleted out so you can see the
kind of the the Apples to Apples

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comparison so um originally we had an
estimated cost of roughly $1.3

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million and here we sit at 1 Point

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1.75 so Project funding again the
original the original scope here we see

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the preliminary special assessment
Revenue um we were projected to be at

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$1.46
million with a city subsidy of 1.29

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million again for a total of

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2.75 with these areas deleted those
numbers drop to 530 roughly

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$535,000 of special assessment Revenue
that's the estimate at the public

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Hearing in January a preliminary City
subsidy of

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$782,000 for that same total of roughly
1.3 million and on the bottom we have

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the the
projected numbers as we sit tonight so

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in the Forest Manor subdivision we we
have roughly

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$120,000 of special assessment revenue
and in the industrial park east which

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would be um um Pearl Drive sorry Pearl
Drive we have 200 roughly

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$210,000 so here you can see the city
subsidies and the proposed totals uh the

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Klein felter Park Trail and the Liberty
Point Trail none of those costs are

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assessed so those that's a 100% City
subsidy so we end up with roughly 31 %

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of the cost being borne by the
assessments and uh the balance being

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borne by the

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city some some information on the
special assessments um so we are

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following the city's special assessment
policy it has been and continues to be

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the policy of the city of St Joseph that
when infrastructure improvements are

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constructed provided benefit to a
particular area those costs shall be

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levied against benefiting properties
selected assessment basis or methodology

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is meant to balance equity and
distribution of special

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assessment the city commissioned a
special assessment benefit report by a

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third party to identify a range of
Market benefit by the project so that's

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what gives as we'll see later that gives
a a maximum assessment value a cap to

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each to each area or each lot um that's
determined differently based on the type

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of the type of
property uh that we are looking at so

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here we have those numbers uh Again by
the third

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party third party uh special assessment
benefit report so for Kiwi Court kale

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court and 295th Street for all of these
areas a single family residential home

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the maximum Market benefit the cap as it
were for the assessments is $10,000 per

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lot uh for areas AB budding those
project areas with raw land that maximum

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Market benefit was found to be $500 per
acre in the industrial park Pearl Drive

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304th Street Industrial Lots greater
than five acres in lot size the maximum

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Market benefit is 5 cents per square
foot for industrial Lots under five

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acres in lot size that that maximum
Market benefit is 25 cents per square

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foot and for vacant industrial
properties the maximum Market Ben

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benefit was found to be 15 cents per
square

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foot more information

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here these specially assessed benefits
are derived from

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surface
improvements the city's policy is that

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up to 60% of Street overlay and
reconstruct costs can be assessed 100%

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of the street costs are typically
assessed to Annex properties with no pre

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assessment unless Council determines
otherwise and up to 100% of New Street

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curb and gutter costs could be assessed
as well as 100% of new sanitary storm

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sewer water main
costs so that leaves roughly 40% or more

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of the cost to be subsidized by the city
um as we saw in that previous slide that

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number is typic typically higher than
40% special assessments for the

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subsurface improvements are calculated
on a per per unit basis

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we do not have any of those
here special assessments for the surface

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improvements are calculated on the basis
of Frontage per lineal per lineal foot

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so that is the the Frontage that your
property AB buts to the

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street so for regular interior Lots 100%
of your budding footage for the

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Improvement is assessed uh on a
rectangular corner lot the sum of 100%

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of the short side footage and 50% of the
longside footage is assessed we'll see a

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we'll see an example of that later and
for irregular sized Lots 100% of the

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average width of the lot AB buding the
Improvement is

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assessed these are the assessment rates
again we have the estimated preliminary

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assessment rates from our public Hearing
in

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January and then our proposed final
special assessment rate here on the

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right so you see the Forest Manor
subdivision the original estimate was

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$497 cents per linear linear
foot we came to

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4385 tonight for the industrial park the
original estimate was

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$852 per linear foot of Frontage and
here tonight we sit at $863

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these special assessments may be paid in
annual installments over time the that

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typically is a market rate uh for this
for this year the term is 10 years and

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the interest rate is
5% no interest will be charged if that

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special assessment is paid in full
within 30 days of the adoption of the

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assessment role so assuming that the
assessment role be adopted tonight if

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you pay that full amount within 30 days
you won't be charged interest for this

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first year so that date that deadline
would be September 4th of 2024 of this

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year the first installment is payable
honor before the first Monday in January

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of the following year so January 2025
would be when that first payment is

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due you must pay the pay city the entire
remaining amount with acred interest or

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sorry you may pay you may pay off your
assessment full at any time that in that

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assessment that interest acrs up to
December

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31st so that needs to be paid before
November 15th or the interest will be

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charged through December 31st of the
succeeding Year and that is based on the

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Minnesota 429
statute you may also partially prepay

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the assessment with any balance being
certified to the county auditor for the

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collection under the terms previously
described in the other

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slides there there is an opportunity for
deferrals if uh certain criteria are met

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if you are a senior disabled or on
active duty military and the assessment

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is over $3,000 you can request a
deferral um this is this doesn't this

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doesn't um wi get rid of any of the
assessment it's it simply defers it for

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a set amount of time

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uh this is just the process for those
for that deferral one would need to

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apply apply with the city fill out
Financial disclosure form within 30 days

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of the
assessment at which time the city

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council would Grant or deny that

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deferral all right assessment
appeals no appeal may be taken as to the

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amount of an assessment unless a written
OB rection by the affected property

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owner is filed with the municipal clerk
prior to the hearing or presented to the

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presiding officer at the hearing so if
if you do want to appeal your assessment

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you need to do so in writing either at
tonight's

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hearing or to the municipal
clerk Council may consider the objection

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at an adjourned meeting uh the owner May
appeal an assessment to The District

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Court
and they must serve notice upon the

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mayor or city clerk within 30 days after
the adoption of the assessment and file

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such notice with the district court
within 10 days after service upon the

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mayor or the city
clerk okay so here we have the special

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assessment example if you remember the
the example of the corner lot 100% of

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the short side and 50% of the long side
so say we on Kiwi Court if you have an

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80 foot spot so our assessment rate of
4385 * 80 ft gets us to an assessment of

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358 and here we have an example from the
industrial park 863 times a 100t

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lot gets us to an assessment of
$863 now we don't have this situation

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here
but if if we had a corner lot that was

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that was on an intersecting street that
had these two different assessment rates

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on them we would assess 100% of the
short side which is the 80 foot side and

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then we would take half of the footage
of the long side and multiply that out

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so that total assessment would be
$753

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50 finally we have a schedule again we
had our we

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wrote our feasibility report in
December and that was approved by

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Council December 18th we conducted our
public Improvement hearing on January

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16th where Council ordered preparation
of plans and

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specifications the original the original
bid the original scope of the project

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bids were opened on May 13th after which
bids were uh the project scope was

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amended so Count Council authorized the
advertisement for bids for this scope

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scope the amended scope on June
17th Council declared the cost to be

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assessed on July 15th the public bid
opening for this this project was on

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July 11th here tonight we are conducting
the special assessment

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hearing uh Council May award the
Construction contract and adopt the

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assessment role tonight if that happens
construction will start September of

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this year and be complete substantially
complete and October of this year and

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final construction will be complete in
by May of

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2025 with that I can take any questions
uh from from anybody at this

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time you live within the city and uh
respect to anybody else that might be

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speaking tonight we want to try and keep
it to around three minutes or less so

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any anybody would like to speak or have
questions for them you're welcome to

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step
up a separate issue question just step

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up to the podium to State your

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question my name is Dan rat here and I
represent our Family Trust uh which

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involves eight children and we own the
farm uh with land along 295

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and I guess just I I wanted to keep this
really short so I just had one question

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we going through the uh how you figure
the assessment

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so 49 Acres along a
road times 500 that's what it how it

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comes to what it is then or yeah yes sir
so if the field was going the other way

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and it was 100 acres it would
be done the same way well I should back

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up the the the $500 per acre is the
maximum Market benefit so what we do

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initially is we'll take the Frontage the
Frontage that you have that abuts the

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road and multiply that by by that rate
that 40 40

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49485
4385 so then from there if I remember

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correctly your lot in
particular did did breach that maximum

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Market benefit it was over you know 49
Acres multiplied by $500 so you you pay

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that max amount that's that's the
assessment value the rest of it

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is covered by the city subsidy okay so
yes if you had if if what you're asking

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is if you had a a a longer skinnier lot
where you had more front edge your your

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original assessment rate would be
higher if the field

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I don't want I my question is more like
if the field went away from the road

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didn't butt up to the road anymore would
it' be a bigger

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assessment if you had less footage along
295 then then potentially your

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assessment would be less right so we're
we're comparing two things the

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assessment rate is looking at the the
abing footage along

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295 and then the subsidy or the the the
maximum cap to the assessment is based

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on the
times uh the $500 per

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acre okay uh so anyway
um The Family Trust would like to

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politely ask for um what you would call
a

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deferment um they did this for us when
they put the water man along our land

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for the apartment building and we had it
was 15 years or if we sell any land we'd

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have to pay the assessment and it was
interest

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free um and we'd like to be considered
for that I it sounds like what you were

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we'd have to put that all in writing the
request or you'd need to have Chang

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since last time we did this you need to
have that in writing written out and

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signed this evening and either deliver
to the mayor the mayor is not here I'm

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the acting mayor so either deliver to
myself or David the city administrator

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so tonight you need something in writing
that asking for the

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deferral what and
okay and then I have another

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question do the microphones in here only
record or they supposed to amplify

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voices they're supposed to do both okay
thank you but I guess um as far as um my

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experience in with with taking appeals
um it can be something that you can you

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can handr write it's just you need to
appear uh ask for the ask for what you

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want and then um you can just put it in
a piece of paper you know it doesn't

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have to be overly complete or formal it
can be fairly informal last time we did

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this we just did it at a meeting like
this may SCH took a okay it's possible

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the 429 rules might have changed I
because the process we're following is

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through the 429 process but well I'm
understanding there's maybe two

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questions here uh the deferral versus
appeal two different things so the

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deferral would be we not we know over
the bar yeah so then the deferral can

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occur after Council action tonight so
the there isn't a Time sensitivity if

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you're not appealing if you're seeking a
deferral there's a separate form that

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that staff can provide you after after
the close of business here for you to

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submit your deferral request okay So
yeah thank you if I may sure So Randy

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thanks for that clarification so on the
deferral um Bryce you had that slide up

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on deferral
parameters and it said a senior a senior

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citizen or person that's considered a
senior can request a deferral what's

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senior is that age 65 I think it's age
655 it's that's defined in statute as

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well but yeah and then Bryce you said
deferral is you said something like time

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to be determined or I mean how long can
a deferral

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last so the the statute would Define the
maximum deferral of 30 years okay and so

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there are conditions for which then the
deferral would have to be paid often

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times it's sale of the property so that
that'll be something that the council

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considers but the statute by itself
defines certain conditions for how long

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uh the deferral would last a person
requesting a deferral would go to City

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administ minator or city clerk correct
but then the council has to approve it

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correct so they'll make
application uh you know build their case

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as to why there's a hardship and why a
deferral is being requested and then the

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council makes the determination of
whether a hardship exists or or not but

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under 429 it sounds like the state says
if you're a senior why wouldn't you be

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granted a deferral you well there's
still and even and on Bryce's slide for

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example the principle has to be rise to
a certain level uh in terms of how much

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of the assessment is owed so for example
it has to be over $3,000 I believe is

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what the ordinance describes is is is a
hardship so depending on the conditions

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um for some that that there may not be
an actual

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hardship well if it's only the 3,000 but
if if the person's a senior are other

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factors enter in like net worth or
income exactly so I mean just because

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they're a senior doesn't necessarily
mean that the assessment represents a

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hardship some some seniors may have the
resources to to to pay the assessment

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what if they're a
veteran Sim similarly though the the

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veterans case or or active duty case if
they a way on active duty uh that's

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typically where the hardship might might
come into play I think there's some

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discretion on the council's part for for
this and I believe and I believe this

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statute references active duty versus
veteran okay all right that's all I

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had my name is Jacob frame I'm at 29436
scale

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courtt you plan on repaving our
road uh we we have no Services we were

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annexed in 18 at some point services
will be brought out will the road be

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substantially destroyed through that
process will we have to go through

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another system like this and P more
money for a road that is perfectly fine

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as it sits today so that that is one of
the challenges that the city has to to

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to reconcile or you know with respect to
a road that has deteriorated to the

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degree that we we're seeing in in kale
court or

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295th um so the answer to your first
question is potentially and potentially

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I say because it depends on the timing
ideally um the city wouldn't have to

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entertain extending Municipal Utilities
for for some time into the future and

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and the road is aged uh if we're
presented with petitions to install

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sewer and water because well and septics
have have failed or or some

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environmental issue like that we'll have
to cross that bridge when we get to it

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but that is certainly one of the
challenges that the council had to

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consider with the nature of this
Improvement is how do we continue to

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maintain a street in in the condition
that we're seeing in kale court or 295

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you keep I'm sorry to interrupt but you
keep saying kale and Q as they're the

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same condition there's they're in
similar conditions but I beg to

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differ it's not even
close so but that that's the the nature

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of it is is we have to consider whether
or not the road in its present condition

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is still
serviceable and the council's we've made

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the conclusion that that it was time to
make that Improvement at the same time

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as
295th so to be clear City Council

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Members you agree and approve that qwi
and kale are at the same deterioration

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level we weren't in agreement that
they're at the same deterioration level

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but in previous meetings we've looked at
the Integrity of them the quality of

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them and we agreed that they both need
replacing we we didn't agree that like

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they were equal and Det

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do you take into account the fact that
we're at a dead end street we have very

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little

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traffic was that taken into account I
can't hear you was it taken into account

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that we're on a dead end
street we have no

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traffic no that wasn't considered was a
good uh I believe I'm going off to the

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engineer's recommendation
on the conditions of the

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court I I think we'd accept that if if
if your point is there's not through

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traffic or other traffic from other
parts of the community coming through

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yes we we we recognize that kale and
kiwi in the end of 16th Avenue serves

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your neighborhood P predominantly that
we don't have other traffic coming

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through your neighborhood solely we
would AC predominantly solely pardon me

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solely so solely yes unless someone's
lost or you've got deliveries

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uh yes the traffic in your neighborhood
is limited to the people that live back

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there thank

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you my name is Sher langth I live at
29457 kale Court

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uh my neighbors and I most of us um we
have brand new neighbors three homes in

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tale Court have just sold since January
1st we have someone who just put over

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$30,000 into a brand new septic system
our septic system is very new majority

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of the septic systems there are very new
uh the neighbors that I have spoken with

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we're all very against this project
because we feel that our court uh the

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pavement there is fine especially for
the small amount of traffic that we get

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uh against what we're being levied and
assessed uh there's there's also here my

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question uh is as far as kale Court uh
for a maximum Market benefit what is

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that based on for $10,000 per lot
because that's saying I believe if I'm

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not mistaken having been in real estate
for quite some time that that's the the

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benefit that each lot could see but what
is that based on and what is I mean

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that's the very maximum and yet many of
us are seeing well Corner Lo are going

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to be considerably more ours is almost
$7,000 in assessments uh we do not have

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we've gotten bills recently they've been
talking about we don't we don't have

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street lights we don't have city sewer
or water people have spent a lot of

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money to keep themselves on septic to
keep themselves uh I think and the

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majority of people who have now recently
bought in uh were unaware that lot of

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these things were even in the works are
coming we bought our house just a few

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years ago and you know we had a newer
septic system we weren't even aware that

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there had been some sort of annexation
uh that we would

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be uh
possibly uh facing uh we don't have city

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garbage service um these are the things
that they want to try talk to us about

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we don't have city garbage we don't have
sewer we don't have water we don't have

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street lights
uh I believe the majority of the people

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that live there find it very unfair that
we should have to bear any of that

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burden when we don't have any of those
services and to come in and do a Paving

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project and then talk about if you're if
it's not being down that time then again

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later on coming in to do these things
will rip things up again um this just

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puts kind of an unfair burden on us uh
for I mean if we were to show I mean if

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we were to bring in pictures
um and take a look at our road is in

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relatively good condition in kale Court
I don't spend a lot of time in Kiwi

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Court uh but I know as far as kale court
and even most of the road on

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295th there's one corner that
looks uh somewhat worn but the rest of

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it is in relatively good condition
especially when we don't have any of

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these services and but I guess back to
my question is what is this Mar maximum

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Market benefit um because some of the
people that are having Corner lots are

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going to be well over their assessment
is going to be well over what the

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maximum Market benefit that they're
looking at could be so to address that

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question so the the third party that the
city engages that that provides the

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opinion takes a look at similar types of
property as as yours in Ko and kiwi

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court so rural rural properties with
similar condition stream Street and they

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look at before and after and so they
offer an opinion as what is the increase

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in market value that a parcel like yours
would see before or after such an

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improvement and so the $10,000 is their
opinion of what that increase in market

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value if you were to sell your property
tomorrow after the Improvement by

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comparison to what it was worth prior to
the Improvement but that's a maximum

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what is the actual I mean is there an
like more of an actual Market value

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versus um like what it would be versus
what the maximum is because most of us

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are going to be looking at being close
to the very maximum when that's the

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maximum so so the maximum is saying the
city or what the city would be able to

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Levy would be an assess a special
assessment up to $110,000 in your case I

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think in your example you said the
assessment was close to 7,000 7,000 so

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there in their opinion that parcel could
bear an assessment even higher based on

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the Improvement that's proposed by the
city so that's why in the case of when

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we talk about a a city subsidy or the
difference if your assessment was

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$113,000 for example for a corner lot
then it would have been capped at

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10,000 in this case you're you're under
the $10,000 cap so but for somebody who

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is on a on a corner lot then their cap
is

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$10,000 yes corre so correct and there
there are three um there are three

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thoughts out there that the proposed
assessment was higher than the than the

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cap and so then they were limited at the

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$10,000 okay yeah I just I don't the
other aspect that you asked that that

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doesn't come into the appraisers
analysis is whether or not uh there was

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a street light or city refuge service or
those types of things those are

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independent of of the Assessor's
evaluation of the property so they're

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looking at before and after conditions
yeah we don't I mean we can't even get

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decent internet out there because nobody
will come out there so we

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are I mean that's it's

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it's it's difficult because the amount
that you're asking from everybody you

425
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:26,800
know is is you know for most of them are
going to be fairly close to that cap and

426
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:30,000
I don't know that everyone's just going
to see

427
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:35,640
in real estate we can just tack on
$10,000 because that road that's like

428
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:40,079
everyone's going to have an expectation
when you go in and you buy a house that

429
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:46,240
there's going to be toilets there it's
not that versus a working one versus a

430
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:50,960
non-working one the the pavement is in
as not a bad a shape

431
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:56,880
that the amount that we're getting back
out of it I just it it doesn't make

432
00:38:53,079 --> 00:39:00,839
sense uh especially seeing as how it's
not

433
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:05,040
it's it's really you know it's in pretty
decent shape and there's no way we're

434
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:12,680
going to realize a
$10,000 um Market benefit on having um

435
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,680
new Pavement in

436
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:25,280
there can't we need you to come to the
podium so it can be recorded

437
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:36,800
three three of our neighbors sold in the
last year and they ended up giving the

438
00:39:32,319 --> 00:39:45,040
new buyers money so this is not a
positive improvement from a from

439
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:49,720
a property value it's a
reduction so it's difficult for us to

440
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:54,200
address that we have no idea where they
listed their property whether it was

441
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:57,680
above or below market conditions and
admittedly they're selling with the

442
00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:02,119
street in the condition that it's that
it's in so the market was it sounds like

443
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:08,200
in those instances determined that they
were asking for too

444
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:13,200
much no there was discussion within the
agreement knowing that there was going

445
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:17,640
to be a special assessment and the buyer
said that's nice but you're going to

446
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:22,599
take a certain amount of money off of
the cost of the house because of the

447
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:28,560
assessment and that's typical in in real
estate or transactions that the the real

448
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:31,920
estate agent for the buyers will usually
approach the city to find out if there

449
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:35,119
are what's called pending special
assessments so there's a process to

450
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:38,880
understand if there's a public
Improvement that's pending and so I

451
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:43,319
think the question that you asked or
someone had asked new buyers how do they

452
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:48,560
become aware of a project if they
weren't weren't there there's a process

453
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:51,920
built in for which they can find out
whether or not pending special

454
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:58,119
assessments would apply then how can it
be considered a positive

455
00:40:55,119 --> 00:41:01,520
Improvement I'm maybe not following your
the the nature so they've they've

456
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:05,920
accounted in the they would pay more
money for the property so what it sounds

457
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:10,720
like they did the property would have
increased they have accounted for the

458
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:16,400
Assessments in the transaction is what
it what it sounded

459
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,400
like

460
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:37,680
okay my name is Kevin afin and I also
live on Kel Court I have a corner

461
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:43,880
lot and uh when the area got an i or
when we got into the city they were

462
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:51,280
mentioning you guys were mentioning that
there was not going to be any

463
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:57,560
Improvement in that area for seven years
well it hasn't been seven years

464
00:41:53,680 --> 00:42:05,560
yet so I'm under trying to understand if
Mr M Mr ass here sold those lands and

465
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:10,720
he's going to develop it all if it's or
you going to wait until this development

466
00:42:07,839 --> 00:42:17,040
comes in first
before before they would start to uh s

467
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:23,480
uh sell land or whatever and build h
Homes out there that's what I can't

468
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:29,839
figure out why you would want all
this uh maintenance done now when down

469
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:36,520
the road that's going to
happen and it could be 10 years down the

470
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:44,760
road could be 15 by that then we'll have
to redo everything again and I don't

471
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:50,640
understand your your ideas of uh why you
want to get everything done now that's

472
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:59,720
totally insane it's going to take cost
us like all these people that are on

473
00:42:54,359 --> 00:43:05,200
this that are on this for our um paying
for this we Improvement it's over almost

474
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:11,240
a half a million dollars you think we
got half a million dollars just to throw

475
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:17,800
and do this for our roads
no we have other things that we need to

476
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:25,440
use for kids
families this is too hard to do that

477
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,440
thank you for listening

478
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:41,040
good evening I'm Kyle R I'm at 29410
kale Court uh I am one of the the new

479
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:45,000
folks to the neighborhood and um I guess
I'm kind of getting up to speed on this

480
00:43:42,839 --> 00:43:48,040
when you say uh these improvements can
you just explain is this just repaving

481
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:52,359
are you tearing up the road are you
resurfacing can you just explain what

482
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,000
you are doing yes we they they'll it's a
reclaim and repave so what they'll do is

483
00:43:54,440 --> 00:44:01,359
bring in a machine and grind the
existing bis bituminous surfacing with

484
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:07,440
the underlying aggregate base so they'll
blend those materials and then they'll

485
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:12,599
grade that and and PVE pave new pinus on
top of that so it's not a widening

486
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:17,800
project it's not uh we're not improving
kale or kiwi or 295th to City standards

487
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:23,720
which would typically be an urban
section uh so we're we're attempting to

488
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:28,760
rebuild what what is essentially there
and and the nature or the width of those

489
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:32,440
streets do not meet standards uh they're
they're much more narrow but we're

490
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:37,680
looking to put back as close as we can
the conditions that that are in kale and

491
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:43,839
Kiwi Court in 295th today so the
approach was to be mindful of the fact

492
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:49,440
that Municipal Utilities are are are not
present uh city is quite honestly Trying

493
00:44:46,839 --> 00:44:53,119
to minimize its investment in in Rec
reconstructing the street those that are

494
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:58,119
in the neighborhood you know we've
likely observed we've had a patch uh a

495
00:44:55,559 --> 00:45:01,559
couple of areas already on on the street
we have concerns about the longevity of

496
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:06,559
being able to continue winter
maintenance and plowing without peeling

497
00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:11,280
up much more of the road so that's the
Genesis behind what the council was

498
00:45:08,359 --> 00:45:16,160
considering in terms of improving it now
uh because of we've already had to

499
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:20,040
invest in patching uh to try to hold it
together so you said it's deteriorated

500
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:24,800
to the point you can't provide the
city's

501
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:29,319
Services those city services as we said
are not storm water management

502
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,800
they're not garbage pickup it's snow
removal is that the only city service

503
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:38,079
that you're considering that needs to
improv that's been maintained or that's

504
00:45:35,720 --> 00:45:42,680
been provided so the neighborhood hasn't
petitioned the city to the best of my

505
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:47,280
knowledge for Municipal Utilities uh
certainly their Municipal Utilities are

506
00:45:44,559 --> 00:45:52,160
nearby but but not what we would
consider at the doorstep of of the

507
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:57,920
subdivision so I think the question was
asked about other property that that may

508
00:45:54,240 --> 00:46:02,800
or may not develop that that wasn't uh
the council's consideration in terms of

509
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:07,119
whether to proceed with um the street
improvements um I ideally those two

510
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:10,880
things can time together that the
availability of sewer and water and the

511
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:15,280
deterioration of the street or the
Improvement in the street could time

512
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:19,599
together um oftentimes we're faced with
just this very condition that the road

513
00:46:17,319 --> 00:46:23,359
is something needs to be done with the
road before we're ready it sounds like

514
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:28,839
the Improvement needs to happen for City
Services not necessarily for the

515
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:33,559
residents living there uh as as I'm
hearing some of my neighbors say and I

516
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:39,319
in the two short months I've been there
would agree it's fine for the low amount

517
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:43,559
of traffic so if it's deteriorated to a
point uh is that the are you comparing

518
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:49,119
that is the is it just a
Citywide standard you're trying to meet

519
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:53,400
there and if so you know the traffic is
so much lower out there should we be

520
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:58,319
holding that at the same standard as
city streets that may much higher

521
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:02,079
traffic right the standard has been can
can we maintain can we can the city

522
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:07,559
conduct winter maintenance activities
without causing further damage and and

523
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:12,720
so we've already seen where uh winter
maintenance activities are picking up uh

524
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:17,680
pieces of of of the street because it's
it's deteriorated to a point and so when

525
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:24,559
the city now has to invest additional
funds to patch or or pay P or pay for

526
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:28,599
binus patching multiple times and we're
Beyond just pothole patching there's

527
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:32,520
cost Effectiveness question that the
cities have to address is is it

528
00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:38,240
continuous is it continuing to be cost
effective for them to patch areas of

529
00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:42,720
Street as it gets peeled up by by winter
maintenance

530
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:48,160
activities okay uh thinking more long
term is it sounds like we may have to re

531
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:53,040
think about this again or or come to
this um this idea again down the road if

532
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:58,000
other services is there long-term
planning for the Forest Manor what what

533
00:47:56,599 --> 00:48:03,599
things are we thinking about there is
this so there there certainly has been

534
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:08,079
long-term planning since well even 2008
uh when we look at our our Municipal

535
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:12,599
utility service areas the the the
annexation that occurred in

536
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:17,240
2018 all those things are are are
considered but typically when we're

537
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:21,480
looking at extending utilities it can be
for as I mentioned earlier failing of

538
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:26,200
well and septics so there's a health and
safety issue that that has to be

539
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:30,400
addressed that could be one development
activity nearby where utilities are even

540
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:35,079
closer to the subdivision that that's
another consideration um but certainly

541
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:40,280
that area has been planned for the
eventual uh extension of utilities but

542
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:44,640
uh just because it's been planned
doesn't mean that it that the extension

543
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:48,319
of those utilities are imminent so
there's a lot of factors that would go

544
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:54,359
into play as to whether or not the city
makes the decision to to invest in

545
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:59,280
extending the utilities sure so it seems
that the only really imminent thing is

546
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:03,160
the potential damage to a snow plow
that's not even so much the snow plow

547
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:07,880
it's the damage to the
road okay it seems yeah I guess just

548
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:13,680
hearing all this it seems that there's
longer term planning that needs to occur

549
00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:22,319
before a short-term project like this
that may be uh may be moot or obsolete

550
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,319
in in a not very distant

551
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:34,480
future may I so in my thank you for your
comments thanks for your comments and to

552
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,480
the other

553
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:41,799
residents in my four years on the
council as I've wrapped my brain around

554
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:46,119
these hearings and Street
improvements the city has a standard

555
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:53,319
Street Improvement
program

556
00:49:48,920 --> 00:50:01,040
which I embrace it it's it's not a short
term it's building a road

557
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:06,920
that is planned to last or or improving
a street that's planned to last for is

558
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:12,760
it up to 20 years P you know with
maintenance we get past 20 so we our

559
00:50:08,799 --> 00:50:19,079
goal is to get to at least 30 so we've
had in my experience

560
00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:24,359
other hearings where residents and I
totally understand it they're looking at

561
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:28,680
the road saying my Road's fine why in
the heck are you GNA redo it charge me

562
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:33,200
an
assessment it's because 5 years down the

563
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:39,280
road pun
intended that street if it wasn't

564
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:47,240
improved then could get worse and then
you have to do do it then and it's going

565
00:50:43,319 --> 00:50:54,160
to cost more money so we just have a
standard in St Joseph to keep our

566
00:50:50,760 --> 00:51:01,720
roads um up to
date and I know for people on Kale you

567
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:06,960
compare it to 295th or
kiwi uh no one here I don't think

568
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:13,799
there's anyone here from kiwi if for
good reason because their road is turned

569
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:18,880
into a asphalt Beach um so
it's it's not

570
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:24,640
easy it's hard to look at these
assessments but it it's not a short-term

571
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:31,040
fix this is for the longterm and we
don't know when develop m is going to

572
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:36,400
occur out there uh that's an unknown is
it 5 years 10 years 20 years that that

573
00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:42,559
area where Field Street
terminates and going Beyond is just you

574
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:48,640
know it's it's not nothing's happening
in that area as far as we know so that's

575
00:51:44,720 --> 00:51:55,920
my comment Street Improvement
program am I right yes so the city is

576
00:51:53,280 --> 00:52:01,440
we're actually on our third third update
to uh a street maintenance program uh

577
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:06,240
which is intended to improve the
longevity of of St Joseph streets and so

578
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,920
what what council member cluser is
referring to particularly when we're

579
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:15,440
dealing with
overs I mentioned the original design of

580
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:21,359
binous streets typically accounts for a
20-year life cycle and we stretch that

581
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:26,760
to 30 years or more with maintenance
that is involving crack sealing what we

582
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,520
call aggregate ship seals and overlays
and so what councelor cluser is

583
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:37,000
referring to is when we have an
assessment for an overlay that overlay

584
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:40,319
may occur at year 15 of that street age
uh and people look at their street and

585
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:45,640
they say gez I don't see potholes I
don't see it all cracked up the reason

586
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:49,240
for the overlay at that point is that we
have to time these so that we stretch

587
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:54,559
the life of that street to get to 30
years if we try to do it at year 25 once

588
00:52:52,400 --> 00:53:00,520
the potholes and the cracking show up
it's too late and so the city has its

589
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,799
third generation of Street Maintenance
improvements with the intention that we

590
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:08,920
stretch the life out of our streets
hopefully to 30 35 years with properly

591
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:17,319
timed
improvements and D kiwi uh um did kale

592
00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:23,160
and K Court just have it resurfaced
about five seven years ago I've been

593
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:26,960
working with the city since 2007 in in
kiwi and K Court in 295th certainly

594
00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:31,880
weren't part of the
city as that early but there hasn't been

595
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:36,240
an investment from an overlay
perspective unless the township did

596
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:42,559
something prior to the annexation I'm
almost positive I've been there 42 years

597
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:49,280
and it has been done I'm almost positive
has been done a couple times and then it

598
00:53:46,119 --> 00:53:53,119
was also where the cracks were filled in
with that tape and that yep I've seen

599
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:57,079
that so that's that's to prevent the
moisture from getting in but with the

600
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:00,920
degree of cracking and Det deterioration
that we see out there now if if if

601
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:06,720
anybody told you that that could be
overlaid and you'd see the life out of

602
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:10,920
an overlay uh you were misled uh the
conditions have deteriorated to the

603
00:54:08,359 --> 00:54:15,799
point that we can no longer do a
inexpensive overlay and what we're

604
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:21,440
proposing with the reclaim and pave is
the next next most economical thing that

605
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:27,160
could be done to improve that road okay
so then we improve this road now and

606
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:33,200
then you're saying
we pay everybody pays whatever their

607
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:39,160
amount of money it is and then nothing
gets done out there no building gets

608
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:44,680
done out there no sewer lines or
anything getting done out there either

609
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:50,520
just the road in terms of what's
proposed this evening correct it's it's

610
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:56,720
just the pavement and similar with
$10,000 just for my little stretch Road

611
00:54:54,079 --> 00:55:02,079
there so now you now you're also
appreciating the point if if we were

612
00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:06,040
talking sewer water storm sewers carbon
gutter Street reconstruction we'd be

613
00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:10,079
talking cost much more significant than
what we're talking about this evening

614
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:15,440
it's all the more reason why it's a
challenge for the city that's that's

615
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:20,119
totally insane to do it that way put the
road down and then come back and do

616
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:25,119
sewer and water later and all that and
you got to tear up the road again no

617
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:30,920
come on we're not say but we're not
saying that sir even if the property

618
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:35,520
adjacent develops that isn't a precursor
to extending sewer and water into 295th

619
00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:40,280
or kiwi or kale they're mutually
exclusive so the rasier property could

620
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:45,400
develop if if that happens in the next
10 years that doesn't doesn't it isn't a

621
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:50,160
precursor to utilities having to come
into kiwi or kale Court

622
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,160
too far

623
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:10,280
out I'm not sure I'm I'm following could
you please go to the podium again I'm

624
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,280
sorry we need to have it

625
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:25,440
recorded if the question is what what's
the minimum amount of time before the

626
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:28,240
city would reconsider uh sewer and water
I I

627
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:34,599
I'm sorry Kevin we need to have you at
the podium so it can be

628
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:39,680
recorded I apologize
Kevin I'm

629
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:44,920
sorry no I'm not talk I'm not talking
about the sore and water I'm talking

630
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:50,240
about just the actual Road that's going
in for us that's going to go in

631
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:59,160
there and say five years from the sewer
and water comes in all that money that

632
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:04,839
we put into that
road that's all going to get destroyed

633
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:10,400
on uh because of sewer and water coming
in there so in your example if the

634
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:14,039
determination that sewer and water would
be extended into your neighborhood and

635
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:18,760
the streets needed to be reconstructed
at only five years old the city would

636
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:24,440
not be able to likely Levy assessments
for Street improvements again because it

637
00:57:21,319 --> 00:57:28,480
is so such a short period of time they
wouldn't do it

638
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:32,920
they they wouldn't be able to Levy
special assessments for the street

639
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:36,559
improvements again if it occurred with
years correct we wouldn't be able to

640
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:40,720
prove the benefit we wouldn't be able to
yeah you'd still have a a newlook street

641
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:46,200
we wouldn't be able to do the same kind
of analysis and demonstrate that there

642
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:50,079
was an increase in benefit in in your
example now I hope I'm not around to

643
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:58,119
have to entertain extending sewer and
water in in five years if that question

644
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,119
came up but right but that's legal

645
00:58:03,799 --> 00:58:11,160
would that number would drop say it's
$10,000 now if the road was in better

646
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:15,640
condition that Max benefit would be
maybe it would be$ 1,000 or or you

647
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:22,359
wouldn't even be able to assign a Max
benefit to it but that number would be

648
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:25,520
lower if if at all right yes yes if if
at all

649
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:37,000
hi I'm Ryan Parsons I have a parcel on
Elm Street and um I don't know if Elm

650
00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:41,000
Street was struck from the agenda at the
beginning of the meeting or or what the

651
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:43,960
future of that looks like for um for
hearings and assessment and all that but

652
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:47,319
the numbers are starting to roll in and
thank you so much you know you guys for

653
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:51,960
meeting me out there um I really
appreciate your responsiveness on all

654
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:56,200
these questions that I have um am I able
to ask them tonight now that that's been

655
00:58:53,839 --> 00:59:01,920
struck or yeah I would say you did
received the notice um the for that uh

656
00:58:59,319 --> 00:59:06,359
the yeah your portion of that project
was we talked about earlier was to is

657
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:10,920
being delayed until next year due to the
because we don't have the the access for

658
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:14,680
the right away there yet so um it is
still the public hearing you did receive

659
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:19,559
a notice for it so I would think we
would be able to um hear your questions

660
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:23,280
and and answer what we can so I I don't
think that that would be

661
00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:27,920
inappropriate um yeah I will uh I just
want to reserve my right to appeal the

662
00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:31,119
assessment I just know that that was due
tonight and so I have it written on the

663
00:59:29,559 --> 00:59:34,760
back of the uh the letter for this
meeting give us to

664
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:47,280
meet question would be just on um just
in general you know do Property Owners

665
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:52,799
get to see the breakdown of the special
assessment benefit report um for their

666
00:59:50,599 --> 00:59:55,559
property it's got to be some algebraic
equation with a bunch of different

667
00:59:54,280 --> 01:00:00,760
factors do we get to know what those
factors are are and then who is the

668
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:05,520
third party that does that um and can we
contact them um I'm just wondering

669
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:09,880
because I have an agricultural parcel
and I want to know how the different

670
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:14,119
zoning applies to my parcel which is
pie-shaped

671
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:20,599
crazy as we talked about before um but
I'd love to know exactly why I'm

672
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:20,599
assessed exactly what I'm

673
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:29,039
assessed we we contract with a third
party appraiser uh certif residential

674
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:34,480
appraiser that that does this and takes
a look at what the proposed benefit is

675
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:39,520
the name of of thatan Nel Nel appraisals
Nel was escaping me at the moment um and

676
01:00:37,319 --> 01:00:44,079
they do issue a report that report is
public um public

677
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:49,680
data actually it's presented to the
attorney so I I believe it's it is

678
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:53,440
privileged what is okay sorry this is I
apologize this is a new process here for

679
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:57,079
me where we we do the appraisals
beforehand in the all the cities have

680
01:00:54,880 --> 01:01:03,200
worked at before we if there was an
objection we did it afterwards so so my

681
01:00:59,839 --> 01:01:08,039
mistake but um but yes we do and we get
that report and then we from there we we

682
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:15,200
determine what that overall benefit
is okay and do I ever get a copy of that

683
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:21,079
report I I don't know if I don't know
the I I I was making assumption it was I

684
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:26,880
I guess if this goes to a district a
district proceeding uh I I anticipate

685
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:30,839
that that will be available right now
the City attorney commissions that

686
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:36,160
report so that it in the event that
there are appeals it's treated as

687
01:01:32,799 --> 01:01:41,520
privileged privileged information okay
so just for

688
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:46,520
my everybody else here uh so am I wrong
when I say that we don't get unless we

689
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,079
hand a letter to you like I just did we
never get a chance to see the breakdown

690
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:55,520
of how we're assessed on our special
assessments for these projects is that

691
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:59,279
correct that that's correct okay you
well no that that's not entirely correct

692
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:03,160
you're not the breakdown of the
assessments is available the assessment

693
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:07,200
role is available at in in David's
office so that breakdown of how the

694
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:10,599
assessments are computed is is a public
document and that's available but not

695
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:16,839
how they're computed just the fact that
even how we compute it is available the

696
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:19,480
the thirdparty Appraiser's opinion is
the part that's

697
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:26,440
privileged can you give me an example
what that might so I can what do you

698
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:31,440
mean like we can show you exact how we
calculate your assessment okay that's

699
01:02:28,839 --> 01:02:36,359
based on the cost of the the cost of
construction but not the factors that go

700
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:40,599
into that and the and the factors that
go into the into the cost so all of that

701
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:46,200
information the cost information is is
publicly available the Appraiser's

702
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:51,480
opinion of how he determined the maximum
benefit is the part that is privileged

703
01:02:48,279 --> 01:02:56,760
or the document is is obtained by the
attorney in the event that there are

704
01:02:54,359 --> 01:03:02,400
appeals that that can be treated as
privileged

705
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:06,079
information okay can I get the okay the
screen

706
01:03:03,319 --> 01:03:09,599
again that answer your question it it
not well I'm just trying to

707
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:13,920
differentiate between what is the public
and what is the private so what does

708
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:18,200
what do so is privileged on the slide
where they say maximum

709
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:24,400
benefit that's the
appraiser so this number this

710
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,079
4385 and 8063 we can show you exactly
where that that's that's the

711
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:32,359
construction cost we can show you
exactly where that comes from each each

712
01:03:29,559 --> 01:03:35,640
bid item you know black top gravel all
the

713
01:03:33,119 --> 01:03:45,400
things this that's what it costs to do
the project yes yep the the

714
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:48,880
maximum benefit number this you know
yours is different right yours is I

715
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:54,559
believe is on a square footage basis but
this $10,000 per lot that maximum

716
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:58,240
benefit number that's what Randy is is
talking about when he says that's

717
01:03:56,359 --> 01:04:05,319
contracted through the lawyer yeah and
that's we don't get to see how they

718
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:05,319
calculated that yes yes sir okay right

719
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,599
thanks

720
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:19,839
yes yes yes you will it's correct yeah

721
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:39,760
Scott Bine live at 29457 kale Court um
couple issues um first of all can you

722
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:46,559
tell me how old this road is 2 95th out
to kale we cannot uh who knows

723
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:51,400
this hopefully well maybe at best
someone from the township so when there

724
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:55,839
is no record drawing so any improvements
that the city builds or constructs over

725
01:04:53,599 --> 01:05:01,440
time there's a record of the plan if
it's even 20 years old yet we we don't

726
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:05,520
we suspect it's it's older than that but
we don't know if it's more than 20 years

727
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:12,240
old or under 20 years old we know what
it looks like so do we yep and being on

728
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:18,359
Kale Court you know we got a lot of kids
in the neighborhood ride bike skateboard

729
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:22,680
roller blade out there there ain't
nothing wrong with that

730
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:27,720
road June 95th does have some
issues biggest one being on the corner

731
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:31,760
which a big chunk was torn out and that
was because of one of the city snow

732
01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:37,559
plows and I watched them he just kicked
it off into the ditch did the city come

733
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:42,480
back out to fix that nope so now you're
going to assess us for the

734
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:47,799
damage but I don't need to know how old
this road

735
01:05:44,599 --> 01:05:52,319
is if if someone can produce a record of
of the original construction uh

736
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:58,599
unfortunately there isn't one available
U I'd love to know that too I'd love to

737
01:05:55,160 --> 01:06:03,400
know what what's underlying it um what
the original construction was but there

738
01:06:00,839 --> 01:06:07,640
was no documentation that the city had
available to

739
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:12,200
it so when you do this
Overland say three five years down the

740
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,799
road then you want want to run out the
utilities and stuff are they going to

741
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:20,880
widen the road out then and put curbs
and gutters in that's a decision that

742
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:24,079
the city will make it that time I I
guess I can't answer that question for

743
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:29,200
you sir so we're just going to go ahead
and repave this without any future

744
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:32,520
plans we don't know what's going to
happen yet

745
01:06:30,359 --> 01:06:37,920
right I mean it could be next year two
years 10 years nobody knows right the

746
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:42,880
council could commission or or order an
improvement if if it deemed necessary uh

747
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:47,920
so improvements can be conducted two
ways one by petion of the neighborhood

748
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:55,039
or two by the council's own action so
certainly a c a seated council could

749
01:06:50,119 --> 01:07:00,200
make the decision to improve or widen um
none of us seing here can

750
01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:03,839
can say with certainty whether that
would happen five years from now or two

751
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:08,359
years from now so nobody really knows
them so you're telling me that that's

752
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:12,680
fair I I don't know how I I could answer
that question for

753
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:17,839
you so down the road are we going to
have a chance to vote on if we want

754
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:22,640
these water out there because we've had
the water tested compared to the city

755
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:28,359
and our water out there is much better
with the whales well I guess I

756
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:32,520
me and it it we you can't bind a future
Council to what they can or can't do but

757
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:36,039
typ with the the council at least in the
short time I've been here with the city

758
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:40,400
has taken the the approach or the
opinion that um as far as the the sewer

759
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:45,480
and water out there that that would be a
by a petition purpose is because it's

760
01:07:43,319 --> 01:07:51,279
not right up to it right now so you'd
have to extend it to go out there so um

761
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:55,480
at this point then there's been no um
there's been no push to to I guess for

762
01:07:54,119 --> 01:08:02,640
to extend it out there and force the
residents to do that um you know what a

763
01:07:59,799 --> 01:08:06,839
future Council might do um it's it's
hard you can't predict that um but all I

764
01:08:05,319 --> 01:08:11,039
say is in my experience with working
City C with City councils on a situation

765
01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:15,559
like that it would be either a comparing
a compelling reason meaning something's

766
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:18,880
out there's really failing like it's
contaminating a water system or

767
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:23,480
something along those lines or the
residents out there have had um issues

768
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:28,159
with it and they petition to have sewer
and water extended to them

769
01:08:26,279 --> 01:08:33,759
on a personal
note I know I'm sitting as a council

770
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:39,560
member but I live on 17th Aven of
Southeast and I was Township when we

771
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:46,120
moved in and now we are City and
actually what's happening to you guys it

772
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:52,080
happened with my husband and I um all I
can say in concur with is you have to go

773
01:08:49,719 --> 01:08:56,759
with every situation as it's coming and
take care of how you want to approach it

774
01:08:54,799 --> 01:09:00,839
as it's happening happening because we
can't we can't my husband and I didn't

775
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:05,880
know I mean compared to what we were
dealing with with the council at the

776
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:11,520
time and then we had a situation you
know approximately 15 years after that

777
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:17,920
completely different Council completely
different mayor um and so I I would just

778
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:23,120
say you know make sure you have all your
information and if you need to move

779
01:09:20,440 --> 01:09:28,600
forward then take the appropriate steps
that the city and following letters and

780
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:33,839
making sure that the communication is
between uh the residents and the city

781
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:38,520
and hopefully following the ordinances
and that we have that we can support we

782
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:42,560
don't want to have this happen to you
but we have to be able to look at both

783
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:50,199
sides of the fence and be able to make
sure that we are watching out for

784
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:54,480
everyone concerned and I I hear you I
understand

785
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:58,640
exactly what you're going through um and
so moving forward we're trying to the

786
01:09:56,760 --> 01:10:01,679
best of our ability to be able to
support you as we

787
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,560
can all right thank

788
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:19,520
you is there anybody else that like to
address the council this

789
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:29,560
evening with that we'll close the P
sorry go ahead goe Kevin I

790
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:36,719
just I just want to know how do we find
out if this passes or not passes or or

791
01:10:32,679 --> 01:10:40,480
is it in the works or it's what you are
you going to

792
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:47,239
just let us
know or what so the council has two

793
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:52,080
actions uh this evening after the public
hearing closes uh first action would be

794
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:56,000
whether to adopt the assessment role as
has been presented or proposed this

795
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:59,880
evening the second decision that they
would make is whether or not to award

796
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,800
the Construction contract and proceed
with the work so that is the next step

797
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:07,840
that they could take okay soon as this
evening you would have another meeting

798
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:12,199
after that there there wouldn't be
another meeting after after

799
01:11:19,480 --> 01:11:23,480
this okay

800
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:36,120
I'll just ask one last time is there
anybody else who would like to address

801
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,120
the council before we close the public

802
01:11:36,679 --> 01:11:43,560
hearing if not then we will close the
public

803
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:47,280
hearing mror mayor if I may and just um
so now that the public hearing is closed

804
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:54,800
um we Al Just for information we did
receive a written petition uh appeal in

805
01:11:51,360 --> 01:12:00,480
the uh objection in the mail um it is
for the Elm Street portion that was so I

806
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:03,800
mean it's not really applicable at this
point but we do need to make aware that

807
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:07,600
we did receive it and we will keep it
for when that comes forward

808
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:14,840
okay Randy can you reiterate the two
actions that we have before the council

809
01:12:13,480 --> 01:12:19,719
this evening now that the public hearing
is closed so first action would be to

810
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:25,880
consider adopting the assessment role
that that has been presented so that

811
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:31,080
would in essence um um
adopt the costs that you're anticipating

812
01:12:28,760 --> 01:12:36,400
uh the revenue that you're anticipating
to be generated through the

813
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:40,040
assessments um and then parallel to that
you have the ability if if you wanted to

814
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:44,480
to proceed with awarding the
Construction contract that would in

815
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:49,159
essence start uh the construction
activity or initiate the construction

816
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:54,400
activity but there wouldn't be a a
another or third public Improvement

817
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:58,760
hearing or public hearing um after
tonight's proceeding

818
01:12:56,560 --> 01:13:03,719
and that' be two separate votes they
would be two separate votes uh and yes

819
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:09,080
two separate
votes and And to clarify on the

820
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:14,159
resolution for the adopting the final
assessment that to clarify that does

821
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:18,679
exclude the Elm Street Extension because
that was

822
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:23,679
postponed pending you know those
RightWay Acquisitions and being able to

823
01:13:20,679 --> 01:13:27,840
move forward on that project so because
the um

824
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:32,040
notification in the publication included
the Elm

825
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:37,440
Street um assessment I just wanted to
clarify that the resolution does exclude

826
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:44,040
that so when we get into bonding that's
critical that we understand that the

827
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:52,199
cost is less because of that piece of it
okay with that being heard I'll make a

828
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:52,199
motion to move to approve uh resolution

829
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:03,880
excluding the Elm Street Extension
properties

830
01:14:00,679 --> 01:14:09,600
second any other discussion if not we
have a motion in a second all those in

831
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:17,239
favor signify by I I I all those
opposed motion carries I will make

832
01:14:13,159 --> 01:14:26,440
another motion to approve resolution 20
24-4 n awarding bid to Knife River Corp

833
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:31,880
for the 2024 Street improvements
second any other

834
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:36,040
discussion with a motion a second all
those in favor signify by I I I all

835
01:14:35,239 --> 01:14:45,040
those
opposed then motion does carry as

836
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:48,080
well on to item number six we got
there's one more Motion in here that

837
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:52,400
okay I'll move to approve the
supplemental letter agreement with SE to

838
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:59,600
provide engineering Construction
Services for the 2024 stre Improvement

839
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:03,480
second with a motion in second to
approve the supplemental letter

840
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:09,120
agreement with SE to provide engineering
constructions services for the 2024

841
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:13,760
Street improve Improvement project is
there any other

842
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:20,120
discussion all those in favor signify by
I I all those

843
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:27,280
opposed the third and final motion
carries now on to item number six the

844
01:15:23,639 --> 01:15:31,679
special event Rock for
altimers yes good evening um so staff

845
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:36,000
had received an application from Bad
Habit Brewing Company um for their

846
01:15:33,679 --> 01:15:41,199
annual Rock for Alzheimer's event the
event is scheduled to be held on

847
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:45,280
September 8th um from 1: to 8:30 p.m.
staff has reviewed the request and chief

848
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:49,239
onstein is requiring that two Off Duty
Officers um attend the event this year

849
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:53,400
um they did increase the number of
attendees or expected attendees which

850
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:58,760
resulted in the increase um from one to
two officers a map of the event is

851
01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:03,679
included in the packet um and the
request um recommended action is to move

852
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:10,000
forward with the that special event
permit move to approve

853
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,560
second with a motion a second is there
any other

854
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:19,159
discussion
Kelly all those in favor signify by I I

855
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:27,840
all those
opposed motion does carry on to item

856
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:27,840
number seven and up update from

857
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:36,560
connectic good evening members of the St
Joseph

858
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:42,199
Council and interested bystanders thank
you I'm Scott jig with

859
01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:48,600
Kinetic and there are some updates that
I want to make the council aware of um

860
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:53,760
per our agreement we had some very
specific things that we kinetic is your

861
01:16:51,639 --> 01:16:58,080
uh partner in fundraising for the
community center

862
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:02,199
uh that we needed to do as part of our
agreement with you it's Our

863
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:08,600
obligation those some of those things
are in the last memorandum of

864
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:14,440
understanding that that we agreed to one
of the things that we had to do was was

865
01:17:11,639 --> 01:17:20,080
conduct additional training for the
members of the Capitol Campaign

866
01:17:16,520 --> 01:17:23,000
Committee those volunteers serving on
The Campaign Committee that would be

867
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:30,679
going out and participating in
solicitations and in explain in the um

868
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:35,080
the project to interested participants
and interested

869
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:41,880
donors on July
18th uh we did that session at Gan um we

870
01:17:39,679 --> 01:17:47,320
had good attendance from the committee
had it over lunch and had about two and

871
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:52,600
a half hours worth of training um for
all the members and we also had it uh

872
01:17:49,679 --> 01:17:58,760
available online via zoom and we did
have members attend via Zoom as well

873
01:17:54,920 --> 01:18:02,560
well so that that obligation that we uh
took on for additional training we did

874
01:18:01,239 --> 01:18:10,639
that on July
18th um one of the other things that we

875
01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:15,320
said that we would do is is in our
agreement uh our agreement between

876
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:20,560
connetic and the city council is that we
would provide up to 80 hours worth of

877
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:27,040
consulting services on any given
month understanding that the holiday

878
01:18:23,320 --> 01:18:33,040
seasons in around Thanksgiving and
Christmas New Year's inside our our

879
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:37,719
current contract that those holiday
seasons are not uh time periods excuse

880
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:44,600
me are
not are not prime fundraising time with

881
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:52,679
people gone in the holidays so what
we've done is rather than dividing

882
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:58,600
those 80 hours per month evenly over
each of the months we've taken hours

883
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:02,760
from December and hours from November
that are not going to be as productive

884
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:08,960
in November December because of the
holidays and we're moving those hours

885
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:15,000
into July August and September where we
do have an opportunity to be more

886
01:19:11,239 --> 01:19:22,120
productive and provide more services um
but but we're maintaining the same

887
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:26,440
contract terms and billing spread evenly
so that way the city is not paying extra

888
01:19:24,239 --> 01:19:31,760
for us to to do extra work in July
August September you're paying the same

889
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:36,320
period throughout the the terms of the
contract it's just this gives us an

890
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:41,000
opportunity to give you more value
without you spending more money for that

891
01:19:38,639 --> 01:19:47,960
additional value and that's that's
already started and it's and it started

892
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:55,520
in uh in July August and September um I
personally am coming in um two days per

893
01:19:53,440 --> 01:20:00,239
week typically as what it ends up
happening and then the rest of the team

894
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:04,880
is coming in in addition to the two days
on a weekly basis I'm coming in to meet

895
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:11,000
with donors and to meet with the
committee the committee itself um

896
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:14,600
decided that providing
leadership the volunteer leadership for

897
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:21,840
the
campaign was too much work to

898
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:28,960
expect a an individual in a volunteer
capacity to do so the committee creat

899
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:35,040
ated what they are calling the St Joseph
YMCA campaign

900
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:43,199
chair committee and it's a leadership
group made up of five individuals with

901
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:47,520
one additional um advisor and counselor
on this the five individuals are that

902
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:51,199
are taking this leadership role and
assuming this leadership

903
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:58,239
responsibilities Patty
wling um Amy

904
01:20:53,239 --> 01:21:04,880
bonfig Carol breze Corey ellt and
reasner additionally uh mayor Rick

905
01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:10,920
Schultz has has agreed to come on an ad
hoc episodic basis and provide advice

906
01:21:07,679 --> 01:21:19,840
and councel to the leadership committee
as needed um we had the first meeting of

907
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:25,440
that Committee in in a formal Fashion on
August 1st and I attended as your

908
01:21:22,639 --> 01:21:29,800
councel on uh that committee meeting and
we started making assignments for each

909
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:35,040
of the leadership committee members so
that we could actually start calling on

910
01:21:31,679 --> 01:21:38,880
donors and fulfilling the the asks that
are necessary to move forward with

911
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:46,600
fundraising on the campaign so those
assignments have been made this today

912
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:51,920
tomorrow and Wednesday are my followups
to work on individual scheduling with

913
01:21:49,440 --> 01:21:55,800
each of those each of those members so
that's happening the committee has

914
01:21:53,760 --> 01:22:01,199
decided it's going going to meet the
leadership committee is going to meet

915
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:07,120
every other week on
Thursday um and they'll meet in the

916
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:12,040
morning at 10: here at the government
center and I'll be present for those

917
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:19,280
meetings um while the committee is
meeting and then the full Campaign

918
01:22:15,440 --> 01:22:24,040
Committee will meet the third
Thursday um it's basically the same day

919
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:26,760
as the leadership group leadership group
will me in the morning the full

920
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:31,920
committee will meet in the afternoon at
3:30 in the afternoon the 3:30 time

921
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:36,400
period is so that the committee will
those committee members that have

922
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,920
obligations during the day that keep
them from meeting during the daytime

923
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:45,120
would have a better opportunity to meet
at 3:30 in the afternoon so so we're

924
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:49,760
moving forward with that um I will be
present at each of those meetings as

925
01:22:47,480 --> 01:22:53,239
well to make sure that that we keep that
moving

926
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:59,920
forward the rest of my team that are
working alongside me

927
01:22:55,320 --> 01:23:05,719
Janelle Johnson has been taking Point um
with doing our foundations requests

928
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:12,679
we've identified three
foundations that we believe that kinetic

929
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:18,080
believes uh would be good partners to
help fund this

930
01:23:14,239 --> 01:23:22,639
request um we're not in a position right
now to to to share who those are but I

931
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:28,239
can assure you that we're going through
the application process we're starting

932
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:34,679
to to meet with the funders themselves
each of those three foundations will be

933
01:23:31,199 --> 01:23:39,480
specific requests for the St Joe
Community Center

934
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:45,679
YMCA they are not requests to be shared
this from these particular three are not

935
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:50,639
shared between us and the St Cloud Y and
any other projects they're specific to

936
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:56,600
St Joseph and each of those three
funders have the potential

937
01:23:54,600 --> 01:24:01,560
it it's not defined yet but has the
potential of being six figure

938
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:05,480
contributions to the campaign and one of
those three has a potential of being a

939
01:24:03,719 --> 01:24:11,760
seven figure contribution to the
campaign so we're moving forward with

940
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:19,280
that paperwork right now um and we've
worked with the St Cloud y to make sure

941
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:24,840
that we have the proper EIN number uh
employee identification number tax ID

942
01:24:21,719 --> 01:24:29,800
number so that that way those found s
can actually contribute to the St Joseph

943
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:34,040
Community Center project and have it be
designated for this project and solely

944
01:24:31,679 --> 01:24:38,159
for this project so we're working
forward with that that was something

945
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:42,960
that the council specifically asked us
to do and we're moving forward with that

946
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:47,840
one of the other things that the council
asked for us to do is create a

947
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:53,360
systematic approach to
communicating where we are with the

948
01:24:50,560 --> 01:25:00,119
status of the campaign and what's
happening uh both good bad and ugly in

949
01:24:56,920 --> 01:25:06,159
terms of that and we've drafted our
first

950
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:12,320
internal copy the the the the words the
content of what a a monthly newsletter

951
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:17,520
might look like for the campaign and
we're going through the editing process

952
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:22,560
on that and then now the design process
to make sure that it looks good and

953
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:26,719
attractive and folks will want to be a
part and want to receive it and that's

954
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:33,199
happening we still anticipate that being
able to to start uh being disseminated

955
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:39,520
as soon as SE uh September so we feel
really good about that

956
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:45,560
um this next these next three days and
then uh a week later I'm going to be

957
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:51,119
spending most of my time my Consulting
days working with individual committee

958
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:55,239
members to make sure that we've
secured individual commitments from the

959
01:25:53,480 --> 01:26:00,760
committee members are in a position to
make commitments and then

960
01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:05,000
frankly um
to

961
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:11,480
revitalize those committee members that
that may have for one reason or another

962
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:17,639
stepped back from an active role in the
the committee we've had a few members

963
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:22,920
that have have said you know I'm really
busy I'm not certain that this is the

964
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:29,920
project for me right now and and we
interpret that

965
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:33,320
as as um I'm not particularly ready to
move forward with this campaign so we've

966
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:38,360
got to go back and meet with those
individual committee members and kind of

967
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:42,199
reactivate them as part of part of a
role in the committee and that's going

968
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:47,840
to have to be done on an individual
basis so we're we're moving forward with

969
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:52,320
that as well those are the action items
that we committed to to the council as

970
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:59,440
per the memorandum of understanding so
far we're following through with that

971
01:26:55,080 --> 01:27:06,480
um Bob council member loo I will tell
you I'm feeling better about my

972
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:11,920
commitment to you that if it comes time
to come back with a proposal I'm feeling

973
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:18,000
that I can defend it to you at that
point I'm not there yet but I'm on the

974
01:27:14,400 --> 01:27:23,920
pathway sir the jury's still out on you
yeah thank you sir any other

975
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:29,800
questions I I do I do have a question
yes um so you said you have three that

976
01:27:27,480 --> 01:27:36,320
you're just particularly asking for St
Joel why isn't that across the board for

977
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:41,920
any asking is the is the St Cloud still
asking St Cloud is still going through

978
01:27:39,639 --> 01:27:47,080
their Grant application process because
there are some

979
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:52,239
foundations that frankly will fund the
broader Regional scope more than they

980
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:59,000
will fund either a specific project for
St Cloud on its own or specific project

981
01:27:55,360 --> 01:28:05,840
for St Joe on its own but if they look
at the project as a regional

982
01:28:02,239 --> 01:28:09,600
impact um we both will get more money
than we would if we tried to get it on

983
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,600
our

984
01:28:14,280 --> 01:28:26,080
own thank you and we're communicating
really closely on that to make sure that

985
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:31,920
that that those points are
clarify do you have a total figure you

986
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:36,960
can throw at us tonight I don't because
I've had two additional contributions

987
01:28:34,480 --> 01:28:43,280
and I'm not certain that Lori has
received yet so um I'll have that for

988
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:49,159
the next meeting but uh we did get two
more commitments that have come in since

989
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:56,000
the last time that I've gotten a report
Okay Kevin anything thank you Scott

990
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:56,000
thank you

991
01:28:56,639 --> 01:29:05,159
that was item seven we're on to item
eight we have a County Road 121

992
01:29:02,239 --> 01:29:09,560
crosswalk Improvement update uh thank
you acting mayor um council members so

993
01:29:08,080 --> 01:29:15,119
uh I was hoping to have something on
your agenda for tonight for Action uh

994
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:19,239
however um it is not quite ready yet um
as you remember uh staff Council

995
01:29:17,679 --> 01:29:24,560
authorized staff to submit an
application for safe road Zone funds for

996
01:29:21,800 --> 01:29:30,719
the crossing out there at uh
cter Road 121 and Lanigan um so that so

997
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:36,199
the city along with the county applied
for the safe road excuse me safe roads

998
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:38,760
Zone fund Grant earlier this year and we
have been notified that we were approved

999
01:29:37,480 --> 01:29:43,040
for
$95,000 um so the state is currently

1000
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:46,920
processing the award to generate the
grant agreement I was hoping to have

1001
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:51,320
that ready for tonight for authorization
um but looks like it was not quite ready

1002
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:55,520
so it will be um before you at the next
council meeting for official action so

1003
01:29:53,119 --> 01:30:01,400
this is more of a information on that so
that um the application anticipates

1004
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:06,199
roughly 127,000 of construction and that
Grant is an 8020 split which leaves an

1005
01:30:03,920 --> 01:30:10,840
estimated City cost of roughly 32,000
plus any additional soft costs so no

1006
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:18,960
action required at this time but we will
take any questions yeah the the cost is

1007
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:25,800
127,000 out of 95 so there's 32,000 left
isn't the county participating in this

1008
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:25,800
at all and it's all our cost

1009
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:33,800
uh it is all of the city's costs what
the county had committed to would have

1010
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:39,960
been uh any additional striping or or
improvements at the at the road but they

1011
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:44,480
lended the support uh to to the uh to to
the city's application so there was a

1012
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:47,520
letter of support from the county but uh
this was the city's pursuit in terms of

1013
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:52,400
the
improvements um in terms of the safety

1014
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:58,960
Improvement okay so the county just gave
us a go get him

1015
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:01,960
guy
okay

1016
01:31:02,119 --> 01:31:08,840
correct so just to reiterate Dennis
because I know that's why you're here

1017
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:15,159
tonight the state's currently processing
the $95,000 grant award and they need to

1018
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:18,400
create a grant agreement once they
create that then that's something that

1019
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:25,639
can be given to us and we can vote to
approve it so we're slowly working can I

1020
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:29,840
question
it's up to the presiding officer it's

1021
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,840
fine with

1022
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:37,520
me just I I
appreciate I appreciate all it's been

1023
01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:42,080
done had a couple more people here one
of our gentlemen in our group just had

1024
01:31:40,199 --> 01:31:48,400
electrodes put in his brain and he had
to go home he was having some issues he

1025
01:31:45,199 --> 01:31:54,880
was so that's why they left early so I
apologize for Tom Scher uh he wanted to

1026
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:59,239
be here um but I appreciate what you've
done I don't know who wrote the grant

1027
01:31:56,840 --> 01:32:03,840
that's obviously time was about 20 pages
I read it all very well done I we

1028
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:09,520
appreciate that to me it seems like a
deal at an 820 so we appreciate I

1029
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:14,600
appreciate that the only thing I ask can
added it very good very um keeping us

1030
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:18,320
informed just keep us informed at the
Timeline I had a goal like before the

1031
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:23,920
snow flies but I know you've got a
bidding process you know you've you know

1032
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:29,639
I you have probably have to pour
concrete before it freezes too but just

1033
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:36,480
keep us informed that's I don't know do
you answer how long the process

1034
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:42,520
takes um we're hoping the procurement is
actually fairly quick um what what there

1035
01:32:39,440 --> 01:32:47,400
may be more of a delay uh is is actually
ordering the equipment so uh

1036
01:32:45,639 --> 01:32:52,880
availability for the council's
clarification the what's been considered

1037
01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:57,679
as part of the scope would have been two
speed zone feedback back displays so the

1038
01:32:54,960 --> 01:33:03,400
things that show how fast drivers uh are
are driving so so the budget included

1039
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:06,880
two of those in each Direction uh LED
and crusted kind of push button signs

1040
01:33:05,480 --> 01:33:11,719
similar to what we see right across the
street here by by the College of St

1041
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:16,800
Benedicts so there's often lead times
with getting getting those equipment so

1042
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:21,960
that I'm is probably more of a variable
for us than ordering and getting it here

1043
01:33:19,480 --> 01:33:25,960
get getting it here
um since we have the county support in

1044
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:29,320
terms of the permitting and working
within the right of way that that's

1045
01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:32,560
likely not going to be very time
consuming so the only the other thing

1046
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:36,920
that's going to take some time is
actually putting together the the

1047
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:42,040
construction documents uh to to be able
to solicit the quotes So the design uh

1048
01:33:40,440 --> 01:33:49,199
solicitation of the quotes and then the
actual execution of the work so um the

1049
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:54,440
grant agreement uh we the time frame has
it has to be spent by the end of June uh

1050
01:33:51,679 --> 01:33:58,840
next year so yeah okay that's so we have
so we have time um but our goal would be

1051
01:33:57,239 --> 01:34:03,280
to start the process as soon as the
grant agreement uh is presented to the

1052
01:34:01,159 --> 01:34:06,920
city and the council we well we
appreciate all you've done thanks to I

1053
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:13,719
guess it's acting
mayor just for tonight just or you hope

1054
01:34:10,840 --> 01:34:18,280
I guess so but we appreciate all you've
done especially I know it takes time the

1055
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:23,280
people that actually write the grants go
through the process I know jod Tesh was

1056
01:34:20,199 --> 01:34:27,360
part of it too and we we appreciate it
uh it was was kind of an interesting

1057
01:34:25,119 --> 01:34:32,280
Summer with the with the extra traffic
it

1058
01:34:28,719 --> 01:34:40,000
was was quite interesting so I
appreciate it so thank

1059
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:48,960
you my other people also appreciate
it said Tom surgery so thank you

1060
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:54,639
Dennis on to where we at item number
nine Department reports anything to

1061
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:58,920
report or then we've already covered
um I'll go first I just wanted to let

1062
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:03,639
you know that early voting starts
tomorrow um so normal business hours

1063
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:09,960
then we are open on Saturday from 9:00
to 3 Monday 8 to 5 and then next

1064
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:15,400
Tuesday's election day for primary state
and

1065
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:19,560
federal yeah y okay yep that's
up just from a Community Development

1066
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:23,800
standpoint uh just so the council's
aware our Planning Commission meeting

1067
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:28,040
next Monday we have a couple items that
will come forward to the council at your

1068
01:35:25,639 --> 01:35:32,239
next meeting in August here uh one of
them is a Knife River interm use permit

1069
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:36,679
uh they're just proposing to do portable
crushing of asphalt and concrete and

1070
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:41,280
then storage of that Associated material
this is for that site that is east of

1071
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:46,040
the Tropic site um so their parcel that
they purchased maybe about a year ago um

1072
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:50,920
we also have the American Legion um
who's redoing the western side of their

1073
01:35:48,199 --> 01:35:56,520
building uh because we have a allowance
on the um total percent of metal um and

1074
01:35:54,440 --> 01:35:59,800
they're proposing to exceeded that uh
that does require Planning Commission

1075
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:04,400
recommendation and Council approval
similar to when bad habit Brewery

1076
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:09,480
expanded their operation and expanded
some of that metal facade um they'll

1077
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:12,920
follow that same process and then we'll
have our final draft readings of the

1078
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:17,719
short-term rental ordinance and the
honeybee ordinance at the Planning

1079
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:23,080
Commission level so anticipate that um
we'll have those drafts and finalized

1080
01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:26,520
and presented to Council in September
with the public public hearing at the

1081
01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:31,320
Planning Commission in September and
then lastly our Eda had been reviewing

1082
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:36,440
and updating some business subsidy
policies uh those are required to go to

1083
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:41,239
the council um so we anticipate that
will hold a public hearing um which is

1084
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:45,560
also required for our subsidy policy at
your next meeting in August so with that

1085
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:48,280
I'll take any questions if you have any
on any of

1086
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:55,600
that I don't believe so you got anything
for us Ryan

1087
01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:02,320
awesome do
I thank you

1088
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:06,840
guys um mayor and Council
reports I have a couple things to

1089
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:11,080
mention uh we just had the Hansen
groundbreaking last week and like Kevin

1090
01:37:09,639 --> 01:37:15,320
myself others were there I thought that
was a really nicely presented

1091
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:19,360
groundbreaking it's great to see
businesses such as Adam Hansen and his

1092
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:24,360
company expanding and growing in the way
that they are we have the house

1093
01:37:22,480 --> 01:37:27,800
groundbreaking the
house food and tap Hall groundbreaking

1094
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:35,320
coming up in a couple
weeks uh so that's open to the public

1095
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:39,000
there's also um WR home company is
having like an extension brand or

1096
01:37:36,920 --> 01:37:44,280
extension company they're starting WR
Littles and Co so like pregnancy and

1097
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:48,960
baby things probably something my wife
and I should go since she's

1098
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:55,760
pregnant that's a store opening
groundbreaking happening in a couple

1099
01:37:50,639 --> 01:38:03,320
weeks and Rhonda left us but her along
with the CVB and I think uh mayor Rick

1100
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:09,280
uh Mary Bruno they had all noticed the
pop- of Splash Pad occur in St Cloud and

1101
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:13,360
they very quickly scrambled to get the
fire department involved and we had a

1102
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:18,320
splash pad this weekend on Saturday and
I thought it was very well attended

1103
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:24,440
probably a hundred kids and parents
together and everybody that came is held

1104
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:28,679
from 1 to 3 just east of City Hall here
of everybody that came they stayed the

1105
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:32,880
entire time it wasn't anybody popped in
for a couple minutes like it was very

1106
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:37,520
well attended it was great to see and St
Joe's so Sandy that wasn't very muddy it

1107
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:41,280
just all sank
in only thing I'll say about that is it

1108
01:38:39,719 --> 01:38:44,040
was interesting to see those kids didn't
really seem to be affected by the

1109
01:38:42,719 --> 01:38:49,119
temperature of the water coming out of
that hydrant at all I would call that a

1110
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:55,159
cold plunge they thought that was a good
day but that's all I

1111
01:38:52,440 --> 01:39:01,639
got if that's all we have then item
number 11 move

1112
01:38:57,360 --> 01:39:05,440
to all those in favor signify by I I I
all those opposed thank you

1113
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,320
everyone

1114
01:39:22,360 --> 01:39:26,360
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