[0:04] [Music] [0:08] good evening good evening well we're [0:12] going to go ahead and get [0:15] the started webex meeting of the saint [0:17] joseph county council [0:19] may 12 2020 now call to order [0:24] uh commission i'm sorry councilman [0:27] krasinski [0:27] are you with us hi [0:30] i'm here councilman nolan [0:34] sir yes sir councilman file [0:39] [Music] [0:42] councilman file [0:48] councilwoman hath here [0:52] councilman tilloyan yes [0:55] councilman here [0:59] councilman root here [1:02] councilman kane ricky [1:06] looks like everyone is here except [1:08] councilman file [1:12] uh next we'll have the pledge of [1:13] allegiance i pledge allegiance to the [1:16] flag [1:17] of the united states of america america [1:20] and to the republic [1:22] from the witcher stands one nation [1:26] under god indivisible with people [1:29] with liberty and justice [1:33] for all thank you may i have a motion to [1:37] approve the minutes [1:38] from the march 10th 2020 public hearing [1:43] second okay all in favor [1:47] [Music] [1:48] opposed the eyes have it [1:52] the minutes from the march 10th public [1:55] meeting are approved next on the agenda [1:59] we have first readings clerk will you [2:00] please read bill number 44-20 [2:05] dawn intermitting and supplementing [2:07] title 15 land usage chapter 154 planning [2:10] and zoning the safest [2:11] county code is admitted properly located [2:14] at 50 [2:15] 935 state road 933 50941 [2:19] state road 933 and 50945 [2:23] state road 933 from high industrial [2:25] district to see commercial district [2:27] petitioner [2:28] bola shane bill number 44 [2:32] 20 is assigned to the land use planning [2:34] committee [2:37] foreign 4520 an ordinance amending and [2:42] supplementing title 15 land use [2:44] chapter 154 planning and joining the [2:45] saints as a county code as amended [2:48] the property located at five four two [2:51] eight o'clock from eight [2:52] agriculture district to our single [2:54] family district [2:56] petitioner clinton custom homes bill [2:58] number 4520 is assigned to the land use [3:00] planning committee [3:04] bill 4620 [3:07] adopting and admitting it to section [3:10] 33.16 [3:12] the saints county code indiana 2013 [3:15] human resources policies and benefits [3:16] manual by including language allowing [3:19] continuation of paying for employees [3:21] willing [3:22] but unable to work during their [3:23] reopening period for county work [3:25] facilities [3:26] previously closed to an emergency [3:27] petitioner commissioner [3:30] bill number 4620 is assigned to the [3:32] budget administration committee [3:34] [Applause] [3:38] that concludes first readings for this [3:39] evening [3:41] next on the agenda we have salary [3:42] amendments clerk will you please read [3:44] bill number 3920. [3:47] twenty nine twenty an ordinance amending [3:48] ordinance eighty nineteen the same games [3:51] and coordinates establishing salaries [3:52] and fixing the number of employees of [3:53] sanctions county [3:55] leader twenty twenty petitioner [3:56] commissioners [3:59] miss hess community report please mr [4:01] president bill number 39 [4:05] favorable recommendation thank you very [4:07] much petitioner [4:13] president morton yes and this is [4:21] commissioner castelni [4:22] um head before you an [4:26] ordinance [4:29] can you remind me what the heck the [4:30] ordinance is i'm having a tough time [4:32] pulling up my [4:33] agenda salary amendment [4:38] look mike go ahead mike uh uh this is [4:41] for the [4:42] human resources director um [4:45] so it's a it's not even correct anything [4:48] wrong but it's a [4:50] it's for the uh it's a proposed shower [4:52] increase it looks like [4:55] yeah because but kim was not able to use [4:58] uh [4:58] certain top time because her duties at [5:01] the county [5:03] yes that my apologies yes she was unable [5:06] to [5:07] use given in light of all the code of 19 [5:09] related activities she's been doing that [5:11] it [5:11] was not prudent and she did not feel [5:14] comfortable taking [5:14] time away so this is being able to [5:16] compensate her for her [5:18] um unused vacation time for paid time [5:20] off [5:21] it's not an additional appropriation and [5:24] she found the money within her budget so [5:25] it's just [5:27] take care of that there's no additional [5:28] cause [5:33] any questions from council [5:38] i open a public hearing on 39 20. does [5:41] anyone wish to speak [5:43] in favor of this bill i think councilman [5:46] tilloyan had a question [5:47] i didn't hear him speak up sir [5:50] thank you i have in my notes that bill [5:53] 3920 was for a safety risk manager [5:59] oh no that's 40 20. [6:02] yeah that's not just that's 41 mark [6:04] that's one coming up [6:06] yes that's the next one [6:11] thank you always one step ahead aren't [6:12] you [6:14] i just didn't get the audio on the phone [6:16] again but i just [6:18] woke up any other questions on 39.20 [6:23] hearing none does anyone wish to wish to [6:26] speak in favor of this bill [6:30] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [6:32] of the bill [6:35] here right now i'll close the public [6:36] hearing on 39 20. [6:40] [Applause] [6:43] it looks like you are uh [6:46] do i hear a motion [6:58] do i hear a second [7:16] this bill [7:19] who is this kelly's even [7:24] who i heard [7:31] please please please state your name for [7:33] the record [7:35] carol kelly heavens 12 o'clock [7:38] timberline trace north and granger all [7:42] right [7:44] i'm clearly going to make the same [7:46] general comment [7:48] for most of the salary bills [7:51] i think we all need a little [7:54] help to get through the the thing [7:57] the shutdown but i think we have to be [8:00] very careful [8:03] not using a lot of taxpayer funds right [8:06] now [8:07] especially for people that are not [8:11] working because the taxpayers aren't [8:14] working [8:15] either and they're going to have trouble [8:17] coming up with these funds [8:19] so i think we need to [8:23] look twice at each of these items and [8:25] even if [8:26] the money is still in the budget that [8:28] might be because [8:30] it didn't get spent on what it was [8:32] originally intended to be spent on [8:35] and we have to be really careful [8:39] um not not creating a whole host of [8:42] expenditures here that are just going to [8:45] put our county in [8:46] a bad position that the taxpayers are [8:49] then going to have [8:50] real trouble um [8:53] doing anything helpless because they're [8:55] in a bad position too [8:57] so that that's my my general congress [9:01] thank you thank you very much [9:03] [Music] [9:06] mr morgan [9:14] [Music] [9:21] yeah i saw a message on my screen that [9:23] jamie i believe it was jamie jay o'brien [9:26] wanted to know how to join the [9:28] conversation speak for or against the [9:29] bill [9:32] is jay o'brien out there listening [9:34] because i saw a message come up [9:36] yes i am can you hear me yes [9:39] right i didn't want to just speak out [9:41] and speak over other people so i typed a [9:43] message [9:44] asking how to raise my hand but i i [9:46] wanted to [9:47] also consistent with what ms haven said [9:51] um we everyone is [9:54] having tight financial times now and if [9:57] there's unspent money in budgets [9:59] i would suggest that the money not be [10:01] spent so i would also speak against [10:04] the particular bill and thank you uh jamie can you hear me [10:13] yes i can okay did you did you hear me [10:15] when i asked for it [10:16] if anyone wanted to speak against the [10:18] bill did you hear me when i said that [10:20] i did and i was raising my hand i didn't [10:22] want to speak over you so that's why i [10:24] typed in the chat [10:25] i asked do we just speak out i don't [10:27] want to talk over other people oh yeah [10:29] yo [10:29] go ahead speak out when i ask that [10:30] question go ahead speak out and we'll [10:32] figure it out [10:33] but thank you for your comments okay and [10:35] thank you i'm trying to [10:36] i know it's difficult with lots of [10:38] people trying to speak so i wanted to [10:40] avoid [10:40] speaking over other people so thank you [10:42] i appreciate that [10:44] very very courteous thank you is there [10:46] anyone else that would like to speak [10:48] in opposition of this bill [10:52] here and on with hearing and i'll close [10:54] the public hearing on 39 20. [10:56] i believe i had a uh a motion [11:00] by miss hess to pass the bill is there a [11:02] second second by mr nolan [11:08] any further comments from any council [11:10] member in regards to 3920 [11:16] hearing none clerk will you please take [11:18] the role [11:21] mr krasinski yes [11:25] mr nolan yeah excuse me yes [11:30] miss half yes [11:34] mr toys no [11:39] tan's right yes ocean carry 7-1 [11:58] thank you uh if i was still on the [12:00] council [12:02] mr file we we took roll and i asked for [12:04] your i asked for you [12:06] to speak up and let me know you were [12:08] here not once but twice [12:11] well you know i'm not as good as [12:14] i'm here [12:17] thank you i i didn't mean it like that [12:19] sir i just when you said are you still [12:20] on the council [12:21] i'm just letting you know from a [12:22] business perspective i did acknowledge [12:25] you not once but twice i was not trying [12:27] to not acknowledge you sir okay [12:30] comments accepted let's move thank you let's move on [12:37] clerk will you please read the next bill number 40 20. [12:41] known as amending ordinance 80 19 the [12:43] same thing in order that's establishing [12:45] salaries and fixing the numbers [12:46] employees of saints just attended here [12:47] 2020 [12:49] official auditor andy this is the bill [12:53] for uh human resources to uh increase [12:56] the [12:57] salaries of 40 to 50 for that budgeted [13:00] position [13:03] kim do you want to give the background [13:04] of why this is necessary [13:07] hold on hold on hold on andy hold on hold on [13:11] okay let me back up enough for the [13:13] record 39 20 was passed by a vote of [13:15] eight to one and i need to commit a [13:18] report [13:19] from miss hess on 40 20. [13:22] okay mr president bill number 40 20 came [13:25] to the full council without [13:26] recommendation [13:28] thank you very much okay [13:31] mr mr castellny [13:35] after ken do you want to start us off [13:37] and i'll [13:38] finish it okay [13:41] kim karkowicz human resource director st [13:44] joseph county [13:46] offices at 227 west jefferson [13:49] 7th floor this is a position that was [13:52] budgeted for 2020 [13:55] for the county to have a centralized [13:57] safety [13:58] program and a safety risk manager to [14:02] implement that the budget was approved [14:06] i have been interviewing since the [14:08] beginning of the year [14:10] diligently finding the proper candidate [14:14] for the county and all of the entities [14:16] that we have [14:18] and the needs that we would have i have [14:20] found a candidate that would [14:22] fit and would be able to actually exceed [14:26] what we are needing to do especially in [14:28] this time [14:30] where we have safety as a big priority [14:33] here within the county as the employees [14:36] are returning to work along with [14:38] the public coming into our buildings [14:41] it is a position that was budgeted there [14:44] is no [14:45] additional money needed for this year [14:48] for this position [14:52] this is commissioner andy felning [14:54] officer on the seventh floor of the [14:55] county city building [14:57] i will also add that the reason why [14:59] there's nothing added for [15:02] the year 2020 because the amount was [15:05] budgeted but yet [15:06] filled so the remaining amount in there [15:09] would cover for this year and then [15:13] moving forward [15:13] 2021 beyond one of the the things that [15:17] we [15:17] also identify from a safety standpoint [15:20] is we would need to do trainings [15:22] for our employees and different [15:23] department heads and other things [15:25] and this individual if hired would be [15:28] able to do those things if you would not [15:30] have to outsource that piece or [15:32] pay a third party to do so so it would [15:35] actually at the [15:35] minimum it would be a [15:39] state revenue neutral moving forward and [15:41] it could possibly [15:42] be i'm sorry budget savings as well [15:47] answer any question any questions from [15:50] council [15:51] from foreign [16:02] [Music] [16:07] you have for this position do they have [16:09] a background in [16:11] or industrial hygiene or what is their [16:14] background is actually in [16:17] municipalities [16:19] and has over 10 years [16:23] this person is taking quite a bit of a [16:25] cut in salary from where they're going [16:27] to start off as a new venture so [16:31] the the project was something that would [16:33] move them [16:35] to make that move we just needed a [16:37] little bit more [16:39] to meet in the middle [16:43] understood so they don't necessarily [16:45] have any the same experience [16:47] with safety programs or implementation [16:50] of safety strategies they have implemented [16:54] a whole safety program for another [16:56] municipality [16:58] that had the same needs that we have [17:02] in our highway and you know other [17:06] avenues that we have here [17:08] that that we need to have done [17:12] okay all right thank you [17:19] any other questions from council [17:22] yes mr morton is mr nolan mr nolan [17:26] um either kim or mr costellny [17:30] can you expand a little bit on the [17:32] training that this person would be able [17:33] to provide [17:35] so the osha requirements for training [17:39] this person is a certified trainer for [17:42] osha [17:43] which we would need to get our county [17:45] employees trained [17:47] in either the 10 hour or 30 hour session [17:51] that is just one of the major trainings [17:54] that need to be completed [17:57] and given the price point that we were [17:59] looking to hire it's difficult to find [18:01] someone [18:02] that has that level of expertise to [18:04] provide the training so what was [18:05] originally identified is to try and keep [18:07] the salary amount lower [18:09] was to allow um we would just outsource [18:12] that particular piece of this if we can [18:13] find someone for that amount of money [18:15] that's why we anticipated being an [18:17] actual revenue [18:19] at least neutral if not a savings [18:23] i understand that's kind of what i was [18:24] asking what those [18:26] other than osha 10 or and or osha 30 are [18:29] there other [18:30] training classes that this person is [18:32] currently [18:33] capable of providing i'm just trying to [18:36] get my head wrapped around [18:37] what that savings would be and not hire [18:39] the trainer active shooter is something [18:42] that they [18:42] have implemented in the past for [18:45] multiple locations [18:47] which is something that we still need to [18:48] do here at the county also [18:54] okay [18:58] any other questions from council [19:05] hearing none will not open the public [19:06] hearing on bill 4020. [19:08] does anyone wish to speak in favor of [19:10] this bill [19:15] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [19:17] of the bill [19:23] hearing none i'll close the public [19:24] hearing on bill 40 20. [19:27] do i hear a motion [19:30] mr morgan pastor nolan [19:34] i would uh i got one comment that i'd [19:36] like to make a motion if there [19:38] just real quick math here i don't know [19:40] how many exactly how many employees [19:41] would need [19:41] osha 30 but at 200 employees that's 30 [19:45] grand [19:46] so it would be a significant savings so [19:49] over and above what this is causing so i [19:51] make a motion in favor [19:53] do i hear a second second marcus android [19:59] motion to pass bill number 4020 was met [20:01] by councilman nolan it was seconded by [20:03] councilman [20:04] katanza any further comments from [20:06] council on forty twenty [20:10] hearing now click please please take the [20:12] roll [20:15] mr nolan yes fire [20:21] hi yes [20:28] what is it no [20:32] um [20:40] yes [20:57] but the record show that bill number [20:59] 40-20 was passed by a vote of eight to [21:01] one [21:04] clerk will you please read the next bill number forty two twenty [21:08] in order to many ordinance 8019 the same [21:10] day and ordinance establishing salaries [21:12] and fixing the number of employees of [21:14] saints this economy of the year 2020 [21:16] petitioner probate court jdc [21:19] mr kaczynski committee report please [21:22] just come to the council with a [21:23] favorable recommendation [21:25] thank you petitioner hello it's cheryl [21:28] rush [21:29] uh controller at the saint joseph [21:31] probate court 1000 south michigan [21:34] we're asking for a salary amendment for [21:36] probation officer 4 [21:38] from 72 40 439 to 66 [21:43] and then we're asking for two probation [21:46] officers to go from 73 989 to [21:49] 79 886 so there is no change to the [21:52] budget they're both state mandated [21:56] so one is less than one's moving up [22:01] any questions from council [22:05] three number we hope i'll open a public [22:07] hearing on 4220 does anyone wish to [22:09] speak in favor of this bill [22:13] is there anyone who wishes to speak in [22:14] opposition to the bill [22:17] [Music] [22:19] hearing now now close the public hearing [22:20] on 4220 do i hear motion [22:24] function for proof [22:28] bobby k made the motion diana did you [22:30] second it [22:31] i'll second it all right all right thank [22:33] you there was a motion to pass bill [22:35] number 4220 [22:36] made by councilman krazynski it was [22:38] seconded by councilwoman hass any [22:39] further comments from any council member [22:41] on 4220 [22:45] hearing another clerk would you please [22:46] take the role [22:51] mr file [23:06] yes thank you [23:09] sorry mr katan's right [23:12] yes just counteracting [23:34] yes motion care is nine to zero [23:38] thank you let the record show that bill [23:40] number 42-20 let's pass by a vote of [23:42] nine to zero [23:44] clerk will you please read the next bill number 29 20. [23:50] ordinance of many ordinance 8019 the [23:53] same being an audience establishing [23:54] salaries [23:55] fixing the number of employees of [23:56] sanchez accounting for the year 2020 [23:58] petitioner adult probation [24:00] mr kuczynski committee report please sir [24:04] mr president this comes to the council [24:06] with a favorable recommendation [24:08] thank you very much petitioner [24:11] good evening jesse carlton chief [24:12] probation officer with the saint joseph [24:14] county adult probation department [24:15] office is located on the fourth floor of [24:17] the county city building [24:19] i come before you today we are changing [24:22] our executive staff structure [24:24] and as a result of that additional [24:26] responsibilities and duties have been [24:27] placed on our assistant chief [24:29] judge broden has approved the request to [24:30] increase her salary by twenty five [24:33] uh hundred dollars as a result of these [24:34] additional duties retroactive to january [24:37] first [24:38] no additional funds are required to [24:39] accommodate this request [24:41] as we've hired a po with a lesser salary [24:44] and a different line item [24:46] so no additional funds are needed right [24:48] now as there's a [24:49] surplus in that account [24:52] any questions from council [24:56] hearing none open a public hearing on [24:58] bill number 29 20. [25:00] does anyone wish to speak in favor of [25:02] this bill [25:05] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [25:07] to the bill [25:10] what is it what is the total cost of [25:13] this [25:15] i mean i you say you have appropriated [25:17] money for it but what is the cost of it [25:24] mr carlton i didn't hear the question mr [25:29] morton [25:29] he said councilman feil said what is the [25:32] cost [25:33] of this appropriation uh 2500 [25:37] we are moving it from um since our [25:39] salaries are mandated by the state we [25:41] hired someone in a different account [25:43] that has less years of experience so [25:45] that way there's a surplus [25:47] and as a result of shifting those [25:49] additional duties [25:51] because we've taken one executive [25:53] position away and just made it a line [25:54] officer [25:55] those funds are going to um going over [25:58] to her salary as a result of those [25:59] additional duties [26:00] yeah okay appreciate that you know it's [26:02] another 500 [26:04] items so it's not it's not like some of [26:06] the other [26:07] much higher cost items we might want to [26:10] be considering [26:11] right so fine [26:15] any other questions [26:23] here and then do we have do we have a [26:25] motion on 2920 [26:29] motion for passage second motion to pass bill 2920 was made [26:38] by councilman katanza wright it was [26:39] seconded by councilwoman s [26:41] any further comments from any council [26:43] member on 2920 [26:46] here we know clerk can you please take [26:47] the role [26:49] [Applause] [26:51] yes to tomorrow [26:56] no [26:59] tan's right yes [27:03] is that a no mark yes no it was a yes [27:08] i'm so sorry so yes i'm having a hard [27:10] time here [27:13] uh mr canary yes [27:27] [Applause] [27:30] yes [27:33] [Music] [27:33] [Applause] [27:44] thank you let the record show that bill [27:45] number 2920 was passed by a vote of [27:48] eight to one [27:51] clerk will you please read the next bill number 2820 [27:56] according to many mornings any 19 the [27:58] same thing in order that's establishing [28:00] salaries the number of employees [28:02] essentially this kind of year 2020 [28:03] petitioners [28:04] honor and commissioners [28:09] miss fast committee before please uh mr [28:12] president bill number 2820 comes with a [28:14] full council with a favorite [28:15] favorable recommendation [28:27] okay petitioner [28:31] president morgan this is danny costello [28:33] again officers remaining on the seventh [28:35] floor of the county city building [28:37] um if you recall this is part of the erp [28:41] and bree roberts um and [28:44] um john butler [28:47] were have been part of the uh [28:52] i don't have it part of the [28:53] implementation piece [28:55] and the expectation initially with erp [28:58] so we were going to hire program manager [29:00] an implementation manager who would kind [29:02] of take on those paths and those [29:03] functions [29:04] and as a result we decided to go in a [29:06] different direction [29:07] so as a result bree [29:11] and other employees have taken on their [29:14] kind of outside their normal [29:15] job responsibilities so we are looking [29:17] to compensate them for additional time [29:19] because they're working [29:21] over and above the number of hours that [29:23] they have to work on a regular basis [29:25] taking care of these tasks [29:27] and i'm into still an overall cost [29:29] savings from an implementation [29:31] standpoint [29:32] then paying one or two salaries people [29:38] just [29:40] any questions from council yeah uh [29:43] councilman style [29:44] um i thought that i thought that we [29:47] already voted on this i thought that [29:49] this increase for brie was already a [29:51] matter on the table and that was voted [29:53] yes [29:54] is that wrong i believe [29:57] it was it came out of committee i [29:59] believe we discussed it at city [30:00] and it received a favor a favorable [30:02] recommendation [30:04] but i believe this is the fourth action [30:07] okay yeah that's correct okay it was [30:10] just [30:11] i guess what the answer is it was [30:12] discussed but not voted on by the [30:14] council [30:15] because it seems like we didn't post it [30:18] yep but by the full council correct it [30:19] was just voted on by that particular [30:21] committee [30:22] yeah okay thanks [30:25] any other questions from council [30:32] hearing on offer the public hearing on [30:33] bill 2820 [30:35] does anyone wish to speak in favor of [30:36] this bill [30:38] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [30:40] to the bill [30:44] hearing none i'll close the public [30:45] hearing on 28 20 do i hear a motion [30:53] i'd like to make a motion that it uh [30:56] actually starts april 1 [30:59] this year i'm gonna go back to uh [31:03] january 1. been prorated for this amount [31:07] for the rest of this year [31:09] and we'll discuss i would certainly [31:12] assume that if this passes that we would [31:13] do it next year but we'll discuss that [31:15] at budget time [31:18] there's a motion on the floor to uh [31:21] pass with stipulation of starting april [31:24] one [31:26] and then uh if it does pass look into [31:29] next year's [31:30] at budget time do i hear seconds of that [31:31] motion [31:33] second one second who said second first [31:38] bobby bobby okay motion [31:41] capacitor number twenty eight twenty was [31:43] married by councilman nolan it was [31:44] seconded by [31:45] councilman krazinski any further [31:48] comments from council [31:49] on 2820 i have a question mr morgan [31:53] marcus just to clarify [31:57] mr nolan's motion was to begin this [32:01] pay structure at april one versus going [32:04] all the way back to january so [32:06] not the full amount um what they asked [32:09] him was [32:10] with a 10 000 or 7500 they were asking [32:12] for [32:14] it was ten thousand correct yes so that [32:17] so it wouldn't necessarily be a full ten [32:19] thousand it would be [32:20] one quarter essentially one quarter or [32:22] less than what they're asking [32:23] am i correct correct [32:26] okay that was my intent actually this is [32:30] it's actually not 10 000 for her [32:33] to push the salary from 43 [32:37] 693 to 50 so not 10 000 for her the [32:40] other [32:41] four thousand is for i'm assuming it's [32:44] ryan [32:45] he's up there is that correct [32:48] that would be underlying and then taxes [32:51] and then perf [32:53] so i thought i thought mr costelli [32:56] mentioned down carlson [32:58] yeah i i mentioned john butler but i [33:01] misspoke [33:02] or john i'm sorry john butler is already [33:06] at this [33:08] that's where his salaries my project [33:10] manager's assisting he's working degree [33:13] so he hit his uh salary is not being [33:16] amended at all [33:18] my issue with degree in these folks is [33:21] they've been doing this since [33:22] i think the reason they put it the [33:23] commissioners had to go back to january [33:25] first [33:26] andy jump in if you can or john murphy [33:28] that [33:29] um you guys have been john you've been [33:32] dealing with it more than i have [33:33] that they have been working since [33:35] january on this [33:40] well i know it's going pretty hot and [33:41] heavy right now we're getting the chart [33:43] of accounts all [33:44] set up and we just had a meeting today [33:46] on the general ledger with bree [33:49] myself and katie in our office [33:52] so they're putting a lot of work on it i [33:53] don't remember exactly when they started [33:56] but [33:56] they're certainly working hard on it now [34:00] it was early in the year and i mean [34:02] that's kind of the point is i understand [34:03] that it's [34:05] now is they're doing a lot i mean i [34:08] think the thought process that wasn't really [34:12] full bore [34:13] january 1 a compromise to get [34:17] something because i think they're [34:18] absolutely going to be working harder [34:20] doing extra duties for the rest of this [34:21] year and [34:22] i fully expect that to be next year as [34:23] well [34:31] any other comments from council [34:35] are we going to discover uh discuss on [34:37] the amended resolution or how do we [34:39] handle [34:40] mr nolan's input [34:43] his motion his motion was basically to [34:46] start it april 1. [34:48] so that's the motion on the floor the [34:50] one that's on the floor is april 1. [34:52] right the motion in a second on the [34:54] floor is to start april 1. [34:56] okay understand thank you any other [34:59] comments [35:00] from council hearing that collectively [35:04] please take the role [35:20] mr tripple [35:24] yes does that by by corey by corey [35:28] changing that to starter april 1 [35:30] is that considered an amendment or is [35:31] that just a motion on the floor [35:35] i he's fine you're fine to move forward [35:37] with the vote [35:40] okay i just want to make sure yes sir [35:43] thank you very much chloe will you [35:46] please take the role [35:51] no [35:54] is potatoes right yes [35:58] it's kind of rusty yeah [36:02] what yes [36:08] it's kazinsky yes [36:13] no one yes [36:16] the file is [36:24] yes [36:28] um mr morton [36:31] yes nine [36:34] zero no no it's eight to one [36:48] all right mark you got to speak up a tad [36:50] more man my hearing aid ain't working [36:52] too good [36:54] eight to one my bad thank you [36:57] let the record show that bill number [36:59] 2820 was passed by a vote of eight to [37:00] one [37:01] clerk will you please read please read [37:03] the next bill bill number thirty eight [37:06] twenty [37:08] an ordinance amending warnings 80 19 the [37:10] same dating morning's establishing [37:11] salaries [37:12] and fixing the number of employees [37:14] anxious account of the year 2020 [37:15] petitioner [37:16] probate court jjc [37:19] mr kurzynski committee report please sir [37:23] president morton this comes to the [37:24] council with a favorable recommendation [37:27] thank you very much petitioner [37:30] hi cheryl rush controller at uh st [37:33] joseph probate court 1000 south michigan [37:36] we're requesting a salary amendment for [37:38] the court administrator from 56 775 [37:41] to 60 975. it's completely grant funded [37:45] and will only be for the duration of the [37:47] grant which is december 31st [37:50] any questions from council [37:55] hearing none we'll open a public hearing [37:57] on bill 3820 does anyone wish to speak [37:59] in favor of this bill [38:01] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [38:03] to the bill [38:05] aaron i'll close the public hearing on [38:07] 38 20. [38:08] do i hear a motion for passage you'll hear a second motion to pass bill number 3820 [38:19] was made by councilman catandrite it was [38:21] seconded by [38:22] councilman krasinski any further [38:24] comments [38:25] from council on 3820 [38:32] here right now quickly please take the [38:33] raw [38:36] katana's right [38:41] it's kind of wrecking [38:59] mr file hi [39:03] mrs hess yes [39:07] mr tawoya yes [39:11] the yes yes thank you let the record show that [39:18] bill number 3820 was passed by a vote of [39:20] nine to zero [39:22] clerk will you please read the next bill number 4120 3120 [39:30] ignorance amending ordinates 80 19 the [39:33] same being orders establishing salaries [39:34] and fixing the number of employees of [39:36] sanctions kind of year 2020 petitioner [39:40] prosecutor [39:42] mr kaczynski commit committee report [39:44] please [39:45] president morton just comes with a [39:46] favorable recommendation thank you very [39:48] much sir [39:54] petitioner [39:58] mr ryzen hoover [40:02] can you hear me now yeah [40:06] is it on unmuted [40:11] okay yeah this is a request to [40:13] appropriate the [40:14] aps grant for next year in amount of [40:18] nine four hundred and two thousand o [40:20] ninety five [40:21] it's for the salaries for the [40:23] investigator and [40:25] for the uh director the uh [40:28] we're a hub county we're covering saint [40:30] joe elkhart [40:31] marshall and casiato and as we speak [40:35] they're still going out with the virus [40:38] rampant they've had 455 cases [40:43] in those four counties and sorry to say [40:45] there's been 54 deaths [40:48] this does not provide any increases for [40:50] the investigators [40:52] the aps people kept the grant amount as [40:55] the same so [40:56] we didn't provide any income but it's [40:59] for [41:01] next year starting july and it's 402 [41:04] 000.95 [41:08] any questions from council for mr [41:09] risenhoover [41:14] your i think as i understand it's far [41:16] 2000 to do something we've been doing [41:19] and it's not an increase in pay no it's [41:22] not an increase in pay for any of them [41:25] yeah and [41:26] we have to decide uh a budget for next [41:28] year [41:29] this early this year this is a fiscal [41:32] grant [41:33] it starts uh july first of each year [41:36] so it starts this july first yes this is a renewal of the existing grant [41:42] that will be effective july 1st [41:44] yeah 7 120 yes [41:48] okay [41:53] any other questions from council for mr [41:55] risenhoover [41:59] hearing none will open the public [42:00] hearing on bill 4120 does anyone wish to [42:02] speak [42:03] in favor of this bill [42:06] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [42:08] of the bill [42:11] hearing none we'll close the public [42:12] hearing on 4120 [42:14] may i have a motion on the bill [42:18] [Music] [42:24] a motion to pass bill number 4120 was [42:27] made by [42:28] councilwoman hess and the second was [42:30] made by like five different people [42:35] who spoke up first on that second [42:39] part i don't care [42:45] our second was made by councilman [42:46] contanzarite [42:49] third by mr nolan fourth by mr kuzinski [42:52] any further comments from any council [42:54] member on 4120 [42:58] here or not quickly please take the roll [43:01] mr pierre [43:07] mr can i ricky yes [43:13] you hear me yes oh i hear you [43:16] i'm clear there uh mr root yes now [43:19] up to mr krasinski yes [43:24] what's going on yes [43:28] mr file hi [43:33] jeff yes [43:37] natalia yes [43:42] it's the tens right yes [43:46] it's more yes [43:49] motion carries zero let the record show [43:51] that bill number 4120 was passed by vote [43:53] of nine to zero [43:55] clerk can you please read the next bill number forty three twenty an ordinance of the [44:01] saints county council amending ordinance [44:04] eighty nineteen twenty twenty seller [44:05] areas for appointed officers employees [44:07] for all departments of the county [44:09] providing a coving 19 hazard pay [44:11] increase to the county police department [44:13] essential employees we have continued to [44:14] provide law enforcement services to our [44:16] residents while increasing their risk [44:18] contracting the virus petitioner sure [44:24] mr kuznetsky committee report please [44:27] i'm sorry president morton i don't have [44:29] anything with a recommendation on this [44:32] bill [44:37] it came without recommendation okay all [44:40] right thank you petitioner [44:45] uh sheriff william redmond offices at [44:47] saint joe county jail 401 west sample [44:50] street [44:50] south bend i'm requesting that each of [44:52] our merit officers corrections officers [44:54] and medical staff be getting a 15 [44:57] hazard pay increase for their dedication [44:59] and commitment on keeping our community [45:01] safe while subjecting themselves and [45:02] their families to an [45:04] increased risk during covet 19 while [45:06] serving our community [45:08] our staff must go hands-on with people [45:10] daily from conducting safety pat downs [45:12] of individuals to transporting [45:14] people in our vehicles to performing [45:16] medical examinations at the jail [45:19] as well as entering homes and businesses [45:21] not knowing what's behind those exterior [45:23] walls [45:24] since the beginning of this pandemic we [45:26] have had [45:28] 62 employees quarantined that is up from [45:31] 35 [45:33] that i reported two weeks ago [45:36] they have been quarantined at their [45:38] homes along with their family members [45:40] our nursing staff has treated 65 [45:43] inmates that is up from 41 from two [45:47] weeks ago [45:48] with covert 19 symptoms and according to [45:51] the national fop [45:52] there have been 101 police officer [45:55] deaths attributed to covet 19 [45:58] and that is up from 77 as i reported to [46:01] you all [46:02] two weeks ago uh with the weather [46:05] and the weather getting nicer stay at [46:08] home orders being listed [46:10] we are seeing a increase in jail [46:13] bookings [46:15] which we anticipate will continue uh [46:17] which will then [46:18] cause more isolations of inmates in our [46:21] facility [46:22] putting our officers and our corrections [46:25] staff at risk [46:27] we will have to continue as you all know [46:30] we had our first [46:31] positive covid uh 19 uh [46:34] inmate last week who was transfer [46:37] transported [46:38] due to court order from uh westville [46:41] correctional facility to our facility [46:43] we anticipate more court orders which [46:47] will continue [46:48] we will have to transport other [46:51] individuals from other facilities [46:53] here to our facility which again [46:55] increases our [46:59] risks for all of our staff [47:04] any questions from council for the [47:08] sheriff [47:10] hearing none i'll open the public [47:13] hearing on bill 4320 [47:15] does anyone wish to speak in favor of [47:17] this bill [47:22] does anyone wish to speak in opposition [47:24] to the bill [47:26] i do mr morton jamie o'brien [47:30] great sir name and address please put a [47:33] record [47:35] in 1582 cedar ridge court [47:38] granger indiana that's the uh [47:43] good deputies and other employees of the [47:45] sheriff's department [47:47] our experiential traditional rift [47:50] sammy [47:52] [Music] [48:26] move ahead [48:34] is there anyone else who wishes to speak [48:36] in opposition to this bill [48:42] name an address for the record [49:00] um i have a great appreciation for [49:02] sheriff redna [49:04] and for all of his officers and staff [49:07] really appreciate the officers up here [49:10] in granger [49:11] um if this is an issue of fairness [49:17] we're all dealing with the extra hazards [49:19] or the covered liars [49:21] right now um [49:24] these officers face greater hazards than [49:27] i ever face [49:28] knowing that they walk into potentially [49:31] a loaded gun behind the door [49:34] i think they they are already receiving [49:37] hazard pay in their salary [49:42] meanwhile all of us that worry about [49:46] um exposure to the virus [49:50] which i think in the end we're going to [49:51] find this a lot less severe than [49:55] all of the heights but [49:58] at any rate um [50:01] all of us face that hazard and we're not [50:04] getting the increase in pay [50:08] all of the delivery people that keep [50:10] bringing stuff to our [50:12] doors and and people who bring stuff to [50:14] the [50:15] supermarkets and people working in all [50:18] of these places [50:20] are not getting any hazard pay as a [50:22] matter of fact [50:23] they're lucky if they're getting their [50:24] usual pay [50:27] they just don't have the advantage of [50:31] somebody else's money that that can be [50:34] put [50:35] toward giving young extra money and of [50:38] course government always has [50:40] access to the taxpayers money [50:44] so in in the interest of fairness i [50:47] don't think we should be giving [50:49] any [51:02] thank you thank you very much [51:06] is there anyone else that wishes to [51:07] speak in opposition of bill 4320 [51:11] yes sir versus mike cannon i have a i [51:15] just have a clarification in terms of [51:17] what you all are voting on [51:20] are you voting at the fifteen percent [51:23] increase or ten percent or five or a [51:25] bonus can you [51:26] clarify that for me [51:33] we haven't had a motion yet the bill [51:36] before us is 15 [51:38] there is no motion here [51:42] is there anyone i wish anyone else that [51:43] wishes to speak in opposition to 4320 [51:46] mr file first first has to do with [51:49] procedure [51:50] um i thought the council met on this and [51:53] i thought the council sent this to [51:56] committee without recommendation [51:59] i thought then we did i thought [52:06] it was it was sent to the full council [52:08] without a recommendation [52:10] and now it's up for a vote with [52:13] amongst the full council but i thought [52:17] it went back to a committee uh could have been the [52:20] budget [52:21] no no no well i thought we did we [52:25] definitely said [52:26] something without recommendation [52:29] we sent it to the full we sent it to the [52:32] full council [52:33] without a recommendation [52:36] i thought the whole council was there [52:39] that was that i was at the committee [52:41] meeting [52:45] i'm surprised because i'm not on a [52:46] committee [52:47] [Music] [52:49] okay uh having said that um [52:54] two three things that i would comment [52:56] about [52:58] uh the first one is yes this has nothing [53:01] to do with the safety of the police officers um [53:06] if we were by bulletproof vests if we [53:08] were to spend this kind of money on the [53:11] crisis or include some other things in [53:13] the health department [53:15] this would improve the uh safety of the [53:18] police officers so this has nothing to [53:20] do with the safety of the police officer [53:22] it is a it is a new way to make more [53:25] money [53:26] and it may or may not have merit but it [53:28] has nothing to do with the safety of the [53:30] officers [53:31] secondly uh if we go down this path we [53:35] cannot just add 157 [53:37] people across the six hundred thousand [53:39] dollars we gotta add [53:41] everybody in the nursing home we gotta [53:43] add everybody in the health department [53:45] we've got to add everybody else who can [53:48] make the same case [53:50] and that that i think i think i'm [53:53] willing to have accounting people [53:55] give us the number but i think that [53:57] would take this for at least a million [53:59] dollars if we apply the same [54:01] principle to other people who have to [54:03] take [54:04] uh regular part of our stuff [54:08] what could be complicated [54:22] that [54:36] for [55:00] but i think the public opinion of the [55:02] police department and the public [55:17] and so for us [55:46] go ahead [55:50] i'll reference something around six [55:52] hundred thousand dollars [55:54] and johnny look these calculations are [55:56] correct [55:57] and sheriff red and his calculations are [56:00] correct [56:01] they're talking to 323 employees [56:05] 121 merit officers 21 folks the [56:08] courthouse [56:11] other staff 179 so when you figure all [56:14] the benefits in which is what you asked [56:16] us to do [56:17] what you're voting on for the police [56:19] department [56:20] is the total would be 701 [56:24] 564 000 701 [56:28] 564. thank you mr hammond [56:32] mr president in other words right in [56:33] other words we're asking [56:39] new money [56:42] did you hear that mr hammond yes uh yes [56:46] that is correct 700 000 of no money yes also mr hammond [56:51] does that include the people [56:53] at the nursing home who uh everybody is [56:56] overseas [57:00] well no i mean we're not in charge of [57:04] nursing homes but [57:06] uh to that end the uh john murphy and [57:09] steve dalton and i [57:11] tried to consider other folks that might [57:14] think of themselves as in the line of [57:16] fire [57:16] if you will and you know the list isn't [57:20] exclusive but [57:22] there are other people i'm sure that [57:23] will come back you mentioned the health [57:25] department i can [57:26] you've talked about others that might be [57:28] coming back and saying well we you [57:29] should deserve [57:30] hazard phase 2 and john murphy to the [57:33] best of his ability [57:35] that at uh that could be another 1.7 [57:38] million dollars [57:40] if you say yes 2.7 million [57:43] if you say yes to everybody if you come [57:45] back and you say yes to the jjc and yes [57:48] you are you know to the to the uh health [57:51] department that is yes to a pea chef and [57:53] yes [57:54] but yeah i mean conceivably so you know [57:57] that's worst case scenario [58:01] mr president [58:04] uh hi uh i'm i want to state that i'm [58:08] generally in favor of some kind of [58:10] hazard compensation [58:11] for uh county employees [58:14] at most risk however i think [58:17] that we need a lot more in-depth [58:19] discussion and [58:20] uh research into the matter before we [58:24] vote on this matter so i would like to [58:26] make a motion to send it back to [58:27] committee [58:29] [Music] [58:31] there's a motion on the floor made by ms [58:33] hass to send bill number 43-20 [58:37] back to committee i believe a second was [58:38] made by [58:41] bobby mr krazinski [58:45] so there's a motion on the floor to send [58:47] bill 4320 back to committee [58:49] made by ms hess and it was seconded by [58:52] mr krasinski any further comments on [58:54] 4320 [58:56] mr morgan mr katan's right i just want [58:59] to [58:59] comment i i applaud sheriff redmond for [59:04] going out and going up to bad for his [59:06] first employees [59:08] and i don't dispute that they're not at [59:11] more increased risk with this cobit 19 [59:14] virus [59:15] but i do agree with council member pass [59:18] and also others who have mentioned that [59:21] there probably are other county [59:22] employees that are at risk [59:24] at varying levels um maybe not as much [59:27] as a police officer but at a different [59:28] level [59:28] but i think i applaud the sheriff for [59:31] bringing this to our attention there are [59:33] other [59:34] municipalities in the state and in the [59:36] country that are [59:37] considering things such as hazard fee [59:39] like this [59:41] and um i think if we give it more [59:43] thought take it back to committee [59:45] i think we probably need to think about [59:46] all the other county employees that [59:48] are at risk or at an increased risk and [59:50] at what degree of risk they're at [59:52] and make it an all-inclusive bill if [59:55] we're going to do it [59:56] if we are actually going to do it let's [59:57] make it all inclusive bill that includes [1:00:00] all county employees that are at risk [1:00:03] and at whatever degree of risk they're [1:00:05] at [1:00:05] and offer some form of compensation dish [1:00:08] those um not just the county police [1:00:10] officers but others that are at risk too [1:00:12] so [1:00:12] i concur with council member kardinsky [1:00:16] and council member hassan [1:00:17] returned this back to committee for [1:00:18] further study but you want the sheriff [1:00:21] and his employees to know that [1:00:22] this request has not fallen on deaf ears [1:00:24] and we're giving it more thought and [1:00:26] more consideration [1:00:28] any of the comments from council [1:00:32] hearing none collectively please take [1:00:34] the role [1:00:37] this vote is to return 4320 back to [1:00:39] committee [1:00:41] yeah yes hello [1:01:08] yes [1:01:23] but the record show that build number [1:01:24] 4320 the motion to send back [1:01:28] to committing past nine to zero [1:01:31] [Applause] [1:01:32] next is public hearing of public comment [1:01:34] on fiscal matters [1:01:36] all financial issues were heard and [1:01:38] discussed at our april 28 [1:01:41] 2020 committee meeting is there anyone [1:01:43] who wishes to speak in favor of any [1:01:44] financial issue on tonight's agenda [1:01:48] is there anyone who wishes to speak in [1:01:50] opposition of any [1:01:52] financial issue on tonight's agenda [1:01:55] hearing none public comment is now [1:01:57] closed clerk will you please read bill [1:01:59] number 3720 [1:02:03] learn that's incorporating and [1:02:04] transferring money for the purposes here [1:02:05] and specified for the separate [1:02:07] apartments getting enlisted at st [1:02:08] joseph county government [1:02:11] may i have a motion on bill 3720 [1:02:17] move for passage second [1:02:22] a vote to pass 37-20 was made by [1:02:24] councilman catanzale [1:02:25] seconded by councilwoman hess any [1:02:27] further comments from any council member [1:02:29] on 3720 [1:02:33] you right now quickly please take the [1:02:34] roll [1:02:36] mr krishnansky yes mr nolan yes mr chef [1:02:44] mr file hi [1:02:55] just to clarify just 175 thousand [1:02:58] dollars to lay through us in this bill [1:03:02] i think so uh mr floyd i believe it is it is stand by hold up stand by [1:03:10] i'm looking here it is it is mark [1:03:14] yeah t no [1:03:18] you want to vote no on the whole thing [1:03:20] or just item t [1:03:26] uh no on item t no on the lease of the [1:03:29] 40 pickups [1:03:34] i can make a note of that [1:03:39] okay thank you oh miss katanza [1:03:56] yes [1:03:59] motion carries over all nine to zero [1:04:02] except it appears eight to one on item g and on the item which talks [1:04:07] about the leases [1:04:10] i [1:04:24] right [1:04:43] yes sir okay let the records show that [1:04:47] bill number 3720 [1:04:49] was overall passed by a vote of 9-0 [1:04:52] except for item t and item e which was [1:04:55] 8-1 [1:04:59] thank you that concludes public hearing [1:05:04] for this evening next on the agenda is [1:05:06] miscellaneous items [1:05:09] yes councilman morton yes [1:05:12] andy castell um i had a question [1:05:16] um during the committee meeting last a [1:05:18] couple of weeks ago we had discussed [1:05:21] on the possibility of here of having [1:05:24] first reading and also taking action [1:05:26] on what i believe is bill 4620 [1:05:31] and kind of modifying the emergency pace [1:05:35] functions [1:05:36] being used to complicate our facility [1:05:38] through the kobe 19 thing as we were [1:05:40] beginning [1:05:41] county offices and ran back [1:05:45] the thought was by multiple attorneys [1:05:49] that we take action and we speak that so [1:05:51] we can move [1:05:52] forward [1:06:01] i don't know if you had plans on [1:06:07] mr morgan yes i i presume that [1:06:10] councilman is referring to the uh [1:06:12] ordinance today we got emailed [1:06:14] the draft ordinance by peter augustine [1:06:26] suspend our rules and have unanimous [1:06:30] agreements that we would get willing to [1:06:32] do that in order to move that forward is [1:06:34] that right [1:06:35] yes no that i know what he's asking [1:06:40] mr trebow yes [1:06:46] so we we would need to have a unanimous [1:06:48] vote to suspend the rules [1:06:51] that's correct [1:06:55] do i hear a motion to suspend the rules [1:06:57] to vote this evening on 46 [1:06:59] 20. mr morgan yes [1:07:03] did mr triple get a chance to review [1:07:05] that ordinance [1:07:11] i did it works in concert with the [1:07:13] previous two ordinances we passed [1:07:17] for purposes of stay-at-home pay [1:07:19] emergency pay etc [1:07:21] since we have some employees working in [1:07:23] the building some at home [1:07:25] some remote this is part of the phase [1:07:27] back of the employees [1:07:29] it is consistent with what we're trying [1:07:30] to do [1:07:35] i i heard you say you worked on the [1:07:37] previous two did you get a chance to [1:07:38] review the one that was emailed to us on [1:07:40] friday [1:07:41] yes are you you're a part of that [1:07:44] yes yes okay [1:07:54] so so and we need to take a vote [1:07:58] to have a unanimous decision whether we [1:08:00] are going to suspend the rules to vote [1:08:01] on 46 20 this evening [1:08:04] mr martin yes [1:08:07] given that the county will be reopening [1:08:09] probably before our next county council [1:08:11] meeting and [1:08:13] there might be a necessity to pass this [1:08:14] ordinance tonight i would [1:08:16] you will make you suspend the rules and [1:08:17] make the motion to spin the rules [1:08:20] to consider voting on bill 4620 tonight [1:08:22] that's marcus [1:08:27] it was voted there was a motion on the [1:08:29] floor by mr stands right [1:08:31] it was seconded by councilwoman hess to [1:08:33] suspend the rules [1:08:35] uh to enable us to vote on 20 this [1:08:37] evening [1:08:38] clerk will you please take the role [1:08:44] yep mr nolan [1:08:48] yes [1:09:04] no [1:09:46] yes [1:10:04] i can't hear you [1:10:08] somebody needs to mute their phone i [1:10:10] cannot hear you [1:10:12] is this better yes all right so this [1:10:16] commission castellny i will reach out to [1:10:19] hr [1:10:20] i i don't know what if we will then be [1:10:23] able to [1:10:24] continue to pair employees as we move [1:10:27] through [1:10:27] i know we've kind of were able to work [1:10:29] through the most current pay period [1:10:31] so i don't know um i will i will uh [1:10:34] efforts [1:10:35] to figure out what we are able to do [1:10:37] employee wise [1:10:38] for the next day period so mr stelling [1:10:41] would you please [1:10:42] uh keep me uh informed on what uh what you find out how we move [1:10:48] forward on this [1:10:50] correct i will all right sir [1:10:54] next next item [1:11:10] understands [1:11:18] next item is unfinished business next [1:11:20] item is new business [1:11:23] next item is adjournment may have a [1:11:24] motion to adjourn [1:11:26] so move motion second [1:11:28] [Music] [1:11:30] second second [1:11:34] all in favor favor all right [1:11:38] hi this meeting is adjourned thank you [1:11:41] very much [1:12:14] you