1 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:27,119 Good evening. I call to order the uh city council meeting for October 6th. 2 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:31,960 And we will begin with our invocation from uh Council Member King. 3 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,960 Gracious and loving God, we come before you this evening with grateful hearts, 4 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:46,239 seeking your wisdom and guidance as we serve our community. Bless this council 5 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:51,680 and our management team with discernment, compassion, and integrity. 6 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:56,480 That every decision will reflect justice, kindness, and fiscal 7 00:00:54,000 --> 00:01:00,559 responsibility for the well-being of our citizens. 8 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:06,240 May we work together in unity, honoring the trust placed in us and striving 9 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:11,520 always to uplift those we represent. In your holy name we pray. Amen. 10 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:17,439 » Amen. >> I aliance to the flag of the United 11 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:23,680 States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under 12 00:01:21,119 --> 00:01:26,680 indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 13 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,320 Ma'am Kirk will have a roll call, please. 14 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:34,960 » Yes, sir. Councilman Jones, post one. >> I'm here. 15 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,520 » Councilman Connor, post two. >> I'm here. 16 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:42,240 » Councilman Ingram, post three. >> Here. 17 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:44,880 » Councilman Nasnto, post four. >> Councilman Rassie, post five. 18 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,119 » Present. >> Councilman King, post six. 19 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,280 » Here. >> Mayor Lockhart. 20 00:01:48,479 --> 00:01:52,320 » I'm here, ma'am. >> Sir, we have a quorum. 21 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:57,600 » Yes, ma'am. Thank you. And for the uh purposes of uh minutes, the unanimous 22 00:01:54,640 --> 00:02:01,520 vote will be five. Yes sir. Okay. >> Our first item is approval of our 23 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:06,240 minutes from the September 15th city council meeting work session development 24 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:10,560 redevelopment tax incentive program blighted properties and regular and the 25 00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:13,760 October 2nd uh fourth quarter developers progress 26 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,319 updated town hall. >> Make a motion we approve motion by Mr. 27 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,160 Connor. >> Second. 28 00:02:16,959 --> 00:02:24,480 » Second by Miss King. Any discussion? All those in favor? I. Any opposed? That's 29 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:31,680 unanimous madam. >> Yes sir. Righty. 30 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:35,120 Next thing is the uh board appointment. So, we have a new board, the tax 31 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:40,879 allocation district number three advisory board. Still looking for one 32 00:02:36,959 --> 00:02:45,440 member to fill out um that board. And we have the uh board appointment for the 33 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:50,080 Camden County Board of Education Sex Education Structural Review Committee. 34 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:56,720 So if you have an interest in serving in any of those capacities, uh, please see 35 00:02:52,800 --> 00:03:00,480 our clerk with an application. The report of our authorities, boards, 36 00:02:58,239 --> 00:03:06,080 and commissions, we have our finance report. And that uh, looks like Murder 37 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:09,360 is going to be here to give that. >> Good evening, mayor and council. In your 38 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:15,280 packets, you will find the financial report of the city's revenue and expend 39 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:20,080 expenditures through August 2025, which is the second month of fiscal year 2026. 40 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:23,519 Do you have any questions? >> No, ma'am. Good report. 41 00:03:22,159 --> 00:03:28,560 » Thank you. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you. 42 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:32,920 And that leads us to the report of our city manager, Mr. Ho. 43 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:44,959 Good evening, Mayor and Council, citizens. 44 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:52,239 Um, first off, let me start by saying I'm not sick, but I do have silences and 45 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:57,280 it's I have and for Dr. Marino, I have been wearing my protective equipment. 46 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:01,920 So, it is silences. That's a whole different discussion. Anyway, demolition 47 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:06,080 of the old city pool. Anderson Environmental has completed the lead 48 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:11,360 asbestous abatement project. The city has received the report from Anderson 49 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:14,799 Environmental that the project is clear. We're still waiting on the final 50 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:19,840 disposal certification to close out the projects. Soon as we receive that, 51 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:24,560 public works crews can begin demolition process and we utilize the project to 52 00:04:21,919 --> 00:04:31,199 train heavy equipment operators that are on staff on how to use the the big stuff 53 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:36,320 in the rightway mowing. for city crews. Um route for city crews is down to 14 54 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:41,520 days after contracting additional road sections and waterfront park. As the 55 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:47,440 crews are able to get caught up on items such as edging, uh we would expect the 56 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:53,280 route time to decrease even further to a goal of 10 days. The downtown mowing 57 00:04:50,479 --> 00:04:58,639 areas, non-contracted, are running on a 6-day route schedule. We are working 58 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:03,520 towards a goal to get this down to 5-day schedule. Our contractors, Coastal 59 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:08,080 Greenery and Addis Lawn Care, are working on their respective roadway 60 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:12,639 sections. Sidewalk and curb edging has been a topic of concern from residents 61 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:18,080 due to weed killers being used instead of the mechanical edging. Contractors 62 00:05:15,199 --> 00:05:24,080 have been made aware of not to use the weed killer for edging, but only for 63 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:28,479 cracks and joint weed control. Um, Landscape Innovations has completed 64 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:34,080 the removal and replacement of stone pavered walkways 65 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:42,560 in the first road medium on Osborne with a cannon. Um, ditch crews as of 103, the 66 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:47,039 ditch crew number one is 75% complete on outfall ditches and ditch crew number 67 00:05:44,479 --> 00:05:52,479 two just completed the ditches in the Palmetto Street area. They'll be moving 68 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:57,759 towards the Dovas Drive, Florence Street area. Ditch crew 2 is currently 69 00:05:55,199 --> 00:06:01,600 repairing a leak storm drain inlet on stable alley and cleaning ditches 70 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:07,280 throughout the city that are in urgent need of cleaning. The old place drainage 71 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:11,440 project. Public work staff has received the signed easements from the three 72 00:06:09,280 --> 00:06:15,520 property owners and have sent sent them to the city attorney for recording. Once 73 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:20,080 the easements have been recorded, the city can move in to establish the 74 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:24,880 necessary swell to help mitigate the backyard drainage issue there. The 75 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:30,000 Palmetto Street drainage. The public works department is currently working to 76 00:06:26,479 --> 00:06:34,800 secure a surveyor for the survey and legal descriptions needed to submit to 77 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:40,639 the city attorney to draft the easement agreement for the property owner to 78 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:46,800 sign. Um for council, there's a drawing in your a map in your packet so you can 79 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:50,479 see it. Uh the co-rain road winding road roundabout. City of Kingsland, city of 80 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,400 St. Mary's have teamed up on this project including design, permit, and 81 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,000 construction. The city will take the lead on the project with city of St. 82 00:06:56,000 --> 00:07:03,840 Mary's having collaborative input through the whole process with expenses 83 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:11,680 being split 50/50 between two cities. The RFPs are to be open on October 9th 84 00:07:07,199 --> 00:07:19,360 at 2 p.m. We are planning to be there. Um the LIG project, LIIG projects for 25 85 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:25,120 and 25 cemental are being prepared to send out for construction bids. The lame 86 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:31,680 26 projects are being developed to to submit to city council for approval 87 00:07:27,039 --> 00:07:36,639 prior to submittal to G dot. trash cans on Osborne Street. New trash 88 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:42,560 cans, uh, five of them are scheduled to be delivered on the 6th, um, which was 89 00:07:40,319 --> 00:07:47,440 today. Once they're arrived, they'll be assembled and they will be installed on 90 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:51,599 Osborne Street on from St. Mary Street to Dillingham Street. That's public 91 00:07:49,599 --> 00:07:56,400 trash cans like you see at the waterfront, the the black ones with the 92 00:07:54,720 --> 00:08:04,400 things in the bonnet, the whole nine yards. Um, we had our RFP opening for 93 00:08:00,879 --> 00:08:08,800 the tennis courts and had no biders. Mr. Williams is reaching out to make contact 94 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:12,639 with vendors and get price quotes. We were hoping to have something for you 95 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:18,000 tonight, but we're still waiting on a couple of bids. Okay. 96 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Uh, we had our RFP opening for the front porch repairs of tourism building with 97 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:26,800 only one bid. Staff is still reviewing the proposal at this time. we'll we'll 98 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:32,399 have it in front of you one way or another here very shortly. Um we have 99 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:37,279 reached out to GMC regarding the storm water program on getting a price on 100 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:43,519 getting the information updated and to help getting the building set up for 101 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:48,320 that utility. We've also been working on how we're going to handle the utility 102 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:54,399 internally with staff that we currently have. Uh we have hope to have it wrapped 103 00:08:50,959 --> 00:08:58,880 up in the upcoming weeks. For everybody that's in the audience and 104 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:04,000 listening online, please listen to this. The 105 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:09,200 Department of Natural Resources will be placing a used oyster shell collection 106 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:14,399 dumpster at the Meeting Street boat ramp as early as next Friday. This initiative 107 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:21,519 is a part of a statewide effort to collect and repurpose oyster shells 108 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:26,480 h for habitat restoration and shoreline protection. The program has proven 109 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:30,640 successful at other docks throughout Georgia and the DNR believes our 110 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:36,320 location will serve as a great addition to these efforts. They will be providing 111 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:41,040 additional information soon posting on our website. No assistance or 112 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:45,200 permits are required from the city as the lease agreement for the dock allows 113 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:50,399 for these types of collection programs. So when they you go down to put your 114 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:55,120 boat in at the meeting street boat ramp you see the dumpster it's not for trash 115 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,360 it's for oyster ships. So we'll have more information on that coming soon. 116 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:03,279 Mr. Mayor that concludes my report this for evening unless someone has a 117 00:10:01,519 --> 00:10:08,880 question. Will this agreement with DNR for the 118 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:12,959 oyster shells uh have any language in there about how often they will collect 119 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:19,600 and empty those things as to prohibit them from becoming uh ownorous 120 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:23,519 » owners. I will let you know as soon as we know I 121 00:10:22,079 --> 00:10:26,959 will let you know. They contacted me today about this program. Um 122 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:33,279 » we're just trying to get the information out as quick as we poss 123 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:36,880 Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? All right. Thank you, Mr. 124 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:42,360 » Thank you. >> Okay. We'll move to uh set our consent 125 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,360 agenda. 126 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:50,079 » So for we have no old business items. For new business, we have the 127 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:54,240 authorization to issue notice of non-renewal of marketing agreement with 128 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:59,440 utility service partners private label inc DBA home serve service line warranty 129 00:10:57,839 --> 00:11:03,000 of America program. >> Consent. 130 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,000 » Consent. 131 00:11:04,079 --> 00:11:11,360 The Historic Preservation Fund Grant Award for Historic Preservation 132 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:15,360 Commission Community Design Guidelines from Georgia Department of Community 133 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:19,680 Affairs Historic Preservation Division. >> Consent. 134 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:23,680 » C. Designing for resilience through estuary restoration and defense 135 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:29,040 community professional services agreement for engineering and design 136 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:35,079 services with Black and Fat. Uh, National Fish and Wildlife 137 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:35,079 Foundation spine program. 138 00:11:37,839 --> 00:11:43,680 » D, National Flood Insurance Program Community Rating System Program for 139 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,000 Public Information Annual Report approved. 140 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,200 » Excuse me, sir. I do apologize. Um, Jamie has asked if you could not put 141 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:54,279 that on consent because she'd like to present that report. 142 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:54,279 » Okay, we'll discuss. 143 00:11:55,839 --> 00:12:03,200 » All right. Item E, professional services contract for geographic information 144 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:04,720 systems with Kosal Regional Commission. >> Discuss. 145 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,279 » Discuss. >> Since you'll be up anyway. 146 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,839 [Music] >> Item F, annual external financial and 147 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:18,480 compliance audit services contract for Malden Jenkins Certified Public 148 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:18,480 Accountants. 149 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:29,040 G. Uh, winding road trail project right ofway acquisition services task order 150 00:12:25,839 --> 00:12:32,040 number two amendment number three. >> Consent. 151 00:12:32,399 --> 00:12:36,240 Item H, St. Mary's Harbor LLC new alcohol license. 152 00:12:35,680 --> 00:12:39,240 » Consent. >> Consent. 153 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:46,480 » And item I, rescend resolution and quick claim deed for transfer of ownership 154 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:50,720 regarding St. Mary Civic Park and Lake St. Mary's Canon County Public Service 155 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:54,600 Authority September 15th, 2025 city council meeting. 156 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,600 » Discuss. 157 00:12:55,519 --> 00:13:07,519 » Okay. So, for the consent agenda, we have items A, B, C, 158 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:12,480 F, G, and H. So, with that, we'll have granting 159 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:16,320 audience to the public. So, if you have uh anything that you'd like to talk to 160 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:19,680 us about uh items on agenda or otherwise, please come to the 161 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:26,200 microphone, give us your name and address, and uh try to keep your 162 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:26,200 comments to 5 minutes or less. 163 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,720 » Mhm. 164 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:47,760 Bird seals 816 View Drive. um 165 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:53,360 two things. the um item F, 166 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:59,600 the annual external financial compliance order service contract. You know, um I 167 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:04,959 know you all sent it out and like this is we only had one and I'm kind of 168 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:12,800 wondering you uh where is by the way 6600 Aine 169 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:16,959 Street 200 is that in St. Mary's? >> It's in Savannah I believe. Oh. 170 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:21,360 » Mhm. >> Savannah. Okay. 171 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:23,519 So, Mr. Blunt and all these guys, they ain't taking a chance. They ain't going 172 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:27,839 for it. >> They don't do audit services like this. 173 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:32,320 » Very specialized. Okay. >> So, that's the Savannah. Okay. All they 174 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:37,240 said was sweet 200. So, I didn't know who where it was. You know what I mean? 175 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,240 All right. 176 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:48,000 Um, I want to go back to Scrubby Bluff. 177 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:52,560 you know, um, you know, uh, when we get to 178 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:59,519 Wayne, I'm trying to think of where that whole area, the shell, BP, KOA, M, uh, 179 00:14:56,959 --> 00:15:03,680 those up are come up that comes up under St. Mary's, 180 00:15:01,839 --> 00:15:08,160 the city of St. Mary's. >> I think most of the properties on the 181 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,120 west side of the interstate are city of Kingsland on 182 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:15,600 » Well, there's a little tease there. Let's see what it signs. Okay. For 183 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:19,519 example, where the pilot pilot >> the street the street itself does go 184 00:15:17,279 --> 00:15:23,680 down as St. Mary's and I think there's a piece of there's a parcel down there 185 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:27,120 somewhere that's flagged in but most of what's on the west side is in city of 186 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:33,600 Kingsland. >> Even the pilot 187 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,880 » pilot on our side is >> well there's a pilot 188 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:39,360 » pilot on the east side is St. Mary's. The pilot on the west side is Kingsman 189 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:42,959 I'm pretty sure. >> Yes. 190 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:45,680 » Yes. Oh, so everything on that side is basically Kingsland. 191 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:50,399 » Yes, sir. >> But they put a they have that sign up 192 00:15:47,839 --> 00:15:54,399 there showing way back the KOA and all that stuff. All that debate, the BP and 193 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:59,000 Shell, all that belongs to Kingston. >> Yes, sir. 194 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:59,000 » Wow. I didn't know that. 195 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:09,680 Okay, that says a lot then. You know that KOA coach parking and all that 196 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:15,720 stuff. All that's Kingsland. Oh, I didn't know that. I thought that 197 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,720 was Py Mary's. 198 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:22,040 We learn every day. That's all I got. >> Thank you, sir. 199 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,040 » Thank you, B. 200 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:46,160 White. 102 Assembly's Court. I'm glad to see that you're consenting 201 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:51,199 item A under new business, which is not to renew the the contract with this 202 00:16:48,639 --> 00:16:56,399 company that's been using the city of St. Mary's emblem under envelopes, 203 00:16:53,920 --> 00:17:02,160 mailing out advertisements to property owners, thinking that it's dealing with 204 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:06,799 us with the consent of the St. Mary's government. and I read through your 205 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:11,919 packet and I don't think they have a leg to stand on when they don't remove renew 206 00:17:09,039 --> 00:17:15,839 our contract with them. I think that's about probably is up in February, I 207 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:20,400 think, cuz you have to do a 90-day notification that you're not going to 208 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:25,520 redo the contract with them. So, I hope that's true. 209 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:32,480 The other thing is on item I, I'm not sure exactly what that means. And since 210 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:37,360 that was just added today to the to the agenda, I would like a better 211 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:42,640 explanation from Councilwoman Keen as to why she wants to resend this agreement 212 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:47,240 with the county. >> We'll do that when we discuss it. 213 00:17:53,679 --> 00:18:01,280 Dave Smith, 112 New Hammock Circle up in Shadowon. Um, 214 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:09,840 just wanted to remind everybody that the 25th of October, Saturday, is I believe 215 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:13,440 the 10th annual Alzheimer's walk for Camden County. 216 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,559 » Thank you. Thank you. >> Where will this start? 217 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:23,080 » Starts at the waterfront >> at the waterfront park. 218 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,080 And it ends with the waterfront part. 219 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:37,600 » All right. There's no one else. We'll uh >> Okay. I'm sorry. 220 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:44,400 » I have a question. >> Have a question. Jamie Galves, 107 221 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:50,320 McDow, St. Mary's, uh McDall Street. Uh resoning of the industrial park. When 222 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,840 will that come on the agenda >> or does it have to go through? 223 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:56,720 » It's going to be at the next meeting. >> It's already been 224 00:18:54,640 --> 00:19:01,840 » It's already been done. Yeah. So, yeah, we So, that's right. So, the uh You're 225 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,480 talking about the Commerce Park or the industrial park? 226 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:07,360 » The industrial park where the airport's at? 227 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:10,240 » Yeah, the same commerce park. We do We did that at the last meeting. 228 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,760 » It's already passed. >> It's already passed. 229 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:18,240 » Yes, sir. >> Sir, could you please repeat your name 230 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:23,520 and address for the clerk? J A I M E first name there. Nobody ever spells it 231 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:28,160 right. Galves, same thing. G A L A V I Z. One 07 McDow Street, St. Mary's. 232 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:34,039 » Thank you. >> Is that good? Okay. Thank you very much. 233 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,039 » Thank you. 234 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:48,320 » All right. There's no one else. We'll uh vote on our consent agenda. So once 235 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:56,640 again to uh we have items um A, B, C, 236 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:59,919 F, G, and H on our consent agenda. I have a motion to approve. 237 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:06,480 » So moved. >> Second. Okay. Motion by Mr. Ingram, 238 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:09,039 second by Mr. Jones. Any discussion? All those in favor? 239 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:12,080 » I. >> Any opposed? 240 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:16,480 » Okay, that's unanimous now. >> Yes, sir. And uh now have a motion to 241 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,960 approve the agenda. So >> move second. 242 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:24,240 » Miss Keane, any other questions or comments? All those in favor? 243 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:26,960 » I. >> Any post? That 244 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,080 » unanimous? >> Yes, sir. 245 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:35,280 » Okay. So, that takes us into our new business. And uh I do want to comment, 246 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:41,679 Mr. White, you brought it up uh on item A. Um, just so everyone knows, like I 247 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:46,720 said, that we're we're moving forward with the steps to cancel that, but uh 248 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:52,400 the contract goes on until early next year, February, March, and so you may 249 00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:58,240 still yet receive letters, but the process is underway. Okay. And with 250 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:01,760 that, we've got item D, the National Flood Insurance Program Community 251 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Rating, and Miss Stein is going to address. 252 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:13,360 Thank you uh council members and mayor and thank you uh madame clerk for 253 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:18,320 queuing up this uh presentation. So about this time every year uh the 254 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:23,679 community development department uh issues uh what's called the program for 255 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:27,600 public information report. This has to do with our participation in the 256 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:32,159 community rating system which is part of the national flood insurance program. Uh 257 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:38,000 so in the report that you've received, I just wanted to go over a few key items. 258 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:46,720 I also wanted to let you know that um typically we do an annual reertification 259 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:54,400 of this program, but on um September 1st, I did receive an email in which uh 260 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:59,360 FEMA has announced that the CRS program uh will no longer be uh have a 261 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:04,720 reertification review. So, typically by October 15th, 262 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:10,320 my office has to send all the information in to kind of an an auditor 263 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:16,720 and they look at all of the work that we've done over the year and they uh 264 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:21,280 give us uh reertification of our uh levels of participation in the program. 265 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:24,400 This year, due to a reduction in funding, they won't be doing it, but 266 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:29,919 they just ask that we continue to operate business as usual. So, uh that's 267 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:35,039 what we're going to continue doing. So, uh, the program for public information, 268 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:40,720 this is a report that is typically the same every year, but, uh, I did want to, 269 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,880 uh, highlight a few key things for members of the public. So, our website, 270 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:49,520 on the community development department's website, there is a section 271 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:53,679 on flood plane management. There are several great resources in there, 272 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:59,360 particularly related to knowing your flood zone, the city's flood map, uh 273 00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:05,039 different uh resources for flood protection. Uh we also have uh 274 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:09,120 repetitive loss mailing. So every year my department will send letters to those 275 00:23:07,360 --> 00:23:14,720 properties which have experienced repetitive losses due to flooding. Uh we 276 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:19,200 also uh for any of you that are in the flood plane, you probably received a 277 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:24,320 brochure from us that looks something like this. Uh so that's part of our 278 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:29,679 annual communications. Um and we also do public announcements. I did one at the 279 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:34,400 uh work session or the uh development progress update last week and we're 280 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:39,440 doing it again here. A couple of new exciting things though. under the 281 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:45,919 leadership of the county's flood plane uh manager, a woman named Miss Cassie 282 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:51,520 Turpin, she has re-engaged a um countywide group of stakeholders that 283 00:23:48,559 --> 00:23:55,360 will meet on a quarterly basis uh to review our program for public 284 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,120 information and see if we can come up with some creative ways to get more 285 00:23:57,679 --> 00:24:03,520 information out there and more participation. Uh and a great thing 286 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:08,080 about that is that she's engaged uh the city of Kingsland which is new to the 287 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:12,240 CRS program. She's also engaged uh someone from the real estate uh sector 288 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:17,039 as well as someone from the home insurance sector. So we look forward to 289 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:25,360 continuing those quarterly meetings uh in future. And one little tidbit of of 290 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:31,039 um of data every year starting uh we we stop counting October 1st. So October to 291 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:34,880 October, uh we tally all of the certificates of occupancy that have been 292 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:41,440 issued for new structures in the flood plane. Uh and this last year we uh CO 36 293 00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:46,240 new structures in the flood plane. >> Any questions? 294 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:51,120 » I I do have a question. Um this is great and I love to hear that there's going to 295 00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:56,080 be some uh meetings about public information. Mhm. 296 00:24:52,799 --> 00:25:01,279 » Um will we be getting out any information for people that may be 297 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:07,760 building or remodeling in a flood plane so that they're very aware of certain 298 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:13,279 special code requirements um in a flood plane? 299 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:18,480 » Yes. So, uh, typically, uh, when there is a property that get takes out a 300 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:23,200 building permit, uh, most building permits that do anything on the exterior 301 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:27,600 or create something new will require a site plan. Uh, my office and I will 302 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:31,919 check to see if it is in the special flood hazard area. If it is, then they 303 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,600 have to get an elevation certificate and they have to go through a series of 304 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:39,279 steps. I mean, if anyone's thinking about remodeling or building in the 305 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:44,080 flood plane, please come see me. you know, anybody I I I pride myself on 306 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:48,880 anybody can walk into building and planning and get somebody from 8:00 am 307 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:53,360 to 5:00 pm, even juggling lunch hours. So, please just come in and talk to us 308 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:57,760 if you have uh any any questions about that. And I think the remodeling piece, 309 00:25:55,919 --> 00:26:03,760 which we've had a little bit of trepidation with in the past, uh there 310 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:08,320 is a substantial improvement clause in the National Flood Insurance Program and 311 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:13,600 in our flood plane management ordinance. So just uh please be reminded if you are 312 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:18,960 if you are doing renovations which constitute more than 50% of your 313 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:22,799 existing property value, I'll be asking you uh for your uh elevation 314 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,600 certificate. >> Great. Thank you. 315 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:28,600 » Thank you very much. >> Motion. 316 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:34,960 » Yes, sir. >> So move. So I'll say 317 00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:39,039 » I jumped on. >> Any further questions? 318 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960 All those in favor? >> I. 319 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,320 » Any oppose? >> Unanimous. M. 320 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:49,840 » Yes, sir. >> Excuse me. All right. 321 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,520 Our next item then um is the professional services contract for 322 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:57,919 geographic information systems with the CRC. 323 00:26:55,039 --> 00:27:05,240 » Uh thank you. >> My question is simple. You know, it's 324 00:26:59,919 --> 00:27:05,240 just probably yes or no. Um 325 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:19,760 um do we have anybody in house that has u um knowledge with GIS 326 00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:27,440 or did we have anybody at one time? >> Uh yes and yes. So I'll I'll speak to 327 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:36,559 that. We used to uh during my time here we did um advance a role in the 328 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:44,799 department for a GIS manager. Uh that uh particular employee didn't work out. Um 329 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:49,279 and because I've learned uh basically our the extent of how much geographic 330 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:54,240 information system work that we do in the city uh I don't feel that that role 331 00:27:51,440 --> 00:28:00,320 is necessary anymore. Uh, one of the things that when I came into the role, 332 00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:04,799 we had um an enterprise server, which is something in the GIS world that the 333 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:09,919 county has, it's a very large investment uh in doing GIS. And frankly, we don't 334 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:14,320 we don't do that type of analysis and layer creation and uh those types of 335 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:20,799 things that would warrant that investment or having a GIS manager. So 336 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:25,279 uh we paired it down uh and now we do this professional services contract with 337 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:30,159 the coastal regional commission. Uh we had this in place last year. So this is 338 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:34,240 just a renewal. Uh some of the great things that came out of this 339 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:40,480 professional services contract was uh the integration of our zoning map and 340 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:44,880 and uh parcel layers that we have on the website with cloud permit which is our 341 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:50,320 online permitting system. So now those two systems speak to each other and that 342 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:55,120 requires uh a bit of a a bit of coding that sends the county's data to our 343 00:28:53,360 --> 00:29:01,760 version of cloud permit and back and that happens on a monthly basis. Um in 344 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:07,200 house our junior planner, Miss Elise Pierce is uh is 345 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:12,640 excellent, incredible, potentially one of my best hires uh and she is getting 346 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:17,960 her master's degree from the University of Florida. Um but 347 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:17,960 » say that again 348 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:25,360 » in in city and regional planning and she has really upped our internal GIS game. 349 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:31,279 So she makes sure that some of the things that that we're doing inhouse are 350 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:35,440 are um of really good quality. So, just to kind of clarify, we we have 351 00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:40,080 the in-house capability to access the system and pull basic information, 352 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:44,240 things we might need, but that we are relying on CRC for some of the back-end 353 00:29:42,399 --> 00:29:46,399 programming and integrations and things like that. That's what this contract is 354 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,799 about. >> Yeah. Most recently, we had to update 355 00:29:48,159 --> 00:29:56,480 all of the city streets. Uh, and we worked with CRC to do that, and that 356 00:29:52,799 --> 00:30:02,000 actually helped us create new, uh, grids of the city streets for after uh, 357 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,840 emergency uh, responses. So, a couple of real good things. 358 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:08,480 » Okay, >> any other questions? I have a motion to 359 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,200 approve, >> Mr. Jones. Is there a second? 360 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:16,159 » Second. >> Second by Mr. Ingram. Any discussion? 361 00:30:14,159 --> 00:30:19,279 All those in favor? I. >> Any oppose? Unanimous. Madam cler. 362 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:22,840 » Yes, sir. >> Thank you, Miss Stein. 363 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:32,799 And that takes us to item I, uh, 364 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:37,760 for the possibility of rescending the resolution and quick claim deed for the 365 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:43,840 transfer of ownership. And, uh, um, I'll let Miss Keane start with the 366 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:50,559 conversation about about this. So on September 15th, uh the council, 367 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:58,399 one of the items that we approved was the transfer of our park from and this 368 00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:05,840 is the park uh that contains the aquatic center. It's 40ome plus acres 369 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:11,440 from the PSA back to the city of St. Mary's. Um, one of the things that 370 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:16,320 happened during that meeting was our city attorney mentioned that he had some 371 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:22,000 concerns about that. So, early this week, I spoke to him about that. 372 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:26,960 And one of the things that I learned during that conversation is that when he 373 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:35,679 was doing the title search on the property, um, he found an IRS lean. Um, 374 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:40,880 and as you may remember, there were some problems in the past, way in the past, 375 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:47,120 uh, with the PSA and their payroll taxes. So, 376 00:31:44,399 --> 00:31:54,159 I talked to my fellow council members. There were four of us um, that did not 377 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:58,799 know about the IRS lean. Um, and the other two from various work and 378 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:05,679 conversations that they were doing did know about it. Um, I just wanted to 379 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:14,640 bring that information forth, uh, because the lean, um, I've got the 380 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:21,120 leans here from the county totals approximately, 381 00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:26,640 uh, 1.1 plus or minus some money and those leans transfer with the 382 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:34,720 property. So, >> could you You said 1.1 383 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,840 » plus or minus. Yeah, there's one for >> Yes. 384 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,620 » 9. >> We didn't We didn't hit a million. 385 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,880 » Oh, okay. 9114,838, [Music] 386 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:50,760 594, 309, 387 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,760 and 36,120. 388 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:59,760 So there's really I mean I don't think I would have voted the way I did or and 389 00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:03,360 this by the way was a consent item. We all knew that we wanted to get this 390 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:07,840 done. We've been working to try and get the parks out of the PSA and take over 391 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:13,760 maintenance. So I think at this meeting it was 392 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:18,960 natural that it was a consent item. Had I known about the lean, I would have at 393 00:33:16,159 --> 00:33:24,559 least wanted to discuss it especially with you all. 394 00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:31,919 uh make you aware of it. So there's really no cut and dried answer on this, 395 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:38,799 no good answer really, but there are a couple of options that we have. Um I 396 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:45,360 understand from the attorney that the um one of the things we can do is try and 397 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:52,320 negotiate something with the county and the city uh of Kingsland, the city of 398 00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:57,360 St. Mary's in the city of Woodbine as to their obligation 399 00:33:54,399 --> 00:34:03,760 regarding this lean and essentially we would be all all of 400 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:07,840 us would be responsible because the PSA really doesn't have any money. It's 401 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:17,040 funded by all of the cities in the county. So since it's a PSA debt, 402 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:23,280 um it's natural to think that we would all pitch in on that. But when you're 403 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:26,560 dealing with the IRS, um, you're never sure once they have a lean 404 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:35,200 on a piece of property, you know, they're if they feel like they need to 405 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:41,440 exercise that, they can. So, my idea is that we just tap the brakes for a minute 406 00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:49,440 here and work out that agreement and then, um, 407 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,440 transfer the property after that. 408 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:55,480 And is there any other commentary on that? 409 00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:06,720 » Go ahead. >> I knew about the the issues with the IRS 410 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:10,640 last year. Um, and it just I never thought that they would put a lean on 411 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:16,160 the property um if we decided that we would pull out of 412 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:22,960 the PSA. And it's it's unfortunate that once they 413 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:29,200 put a lean on a piece of property, it's we have to accept the responsibility of 414 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:36,240 of payment. Uh so I agree maybe we need to just kind of slow our roll until we 415 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:42,320 can get a a handle on this and find out who's going to pay what or if we have to 416 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:49,119 pay anything in order to uh uh get the land free and clear. And I would like to 417 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:57,040 add one more thing. Excuse me. Um, when our city attorney did the title search 418 00:35:52,160 --> 00:36:02,720 on the land, he did find the lean and he did talk to our city manager and mayor 419 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:08,240 about that. And you know, as I pointed out, there are many different ways to 420 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:14,160 look at this. Um, and I don't know that any particular way is wrong. some ways, 421 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,800 you know, you could say, well, that's down the road and surely everybody will 422 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:23,119 agree to pitch in when the time comes, but it could be two or three years, 423 00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:29,920 maybe even longer before this gets resolved. And, 424 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:36,880 you know, by their very nature, our city government councils change every couple 425 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:41,839 of years. So I tend to go with the conservative approach and that is to 426 00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:46,839 work that issue out first and then transfer the property after that. 427 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:57,040 » Yeah, those are definitely all very valid concerns. Um I do know the PSA um 428 00:36:54,320 --> 00:37:01,680 and their board changes as well. Um they do have, you know, a current board 429 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:06,240 that's been on top of the situation as far as they have made multiple uh 430 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:11,280 attempts to settle the debt at a reduced amount. Uh those have failed, but this 431 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:15,440 last or where they're at currently is they have hired a law firm that deals 432 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:20,240 with this specifically uh with the IRS. Uh the IRS now directly will deal and 433 00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:23,440 they're currently furled, but uh when they come back into business, like Miss 434 00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:26,960 Keane said, it could be six months, but it could be three years. you know, 435 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:31,839 there's no timeline of when this uh could be situated or settled, but with 436 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:36,800 the um law firm, to my understanding, that's been hired that, you know, they 437 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:41,280 do deal with this with city government and uh the IRS would speak directly with 438 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:45,520 them. And it's not common for the IRS to come and just want to, you know, like 439 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:50,000 seize or u you know, auction off a property that's governmentowned. Uh and 440 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,599 they wouldn't just come and do it. Um, yes, we do need to, you know, have 441 00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:59,040 clarity, you know, who whose responsibility would be, but, you know, 442 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:04,640 like Councilwoman Keane described, you know, it is a shared debt between the 443 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:09,440 county, Kingsland, St. Mary's, and I know Woodbmine is a mild contributor and 444 00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:14,960 has been, but, you know, they're pulling out of the PSA. Um we do need to get 445 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:19,599 clarification that you know make a new agreement of some sort and be it 446 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:22,880 separate or an amended agreement that would outline worst case scenarios and 447 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,920 that's what this would be the worst case scenarios if that were to happen. Um, 448 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:31,599 but it is something we have to deal with either way because it was, you know, 449 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:36,079 funded by, you know, the the local governments, uh, the PSA. And yes, the 450 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:42,119 PSA had its issues. Um, and and we're trying to, you know, obviously pull away 451 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,119 from that. Um, 452 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:49,520 as far as not accepting the property, um, we're almost in a position and there 453 00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:52,560 is no right answer here. U there's not a direct right thing to do because it's a 454 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:58,480 hairy situation no matter which direction we choose to go. Um you know 455 00:38:55,839 --> 00:39:01,599 the PSA approved their budget which is a significantly reduced budget for 456 00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:08,000 managing sports and only maintaining the property uh at 10 1050 Wildcat Drive. Um 457 00:39:05,599 --> 00:39:14,079 you know there is no budget for any maintenance of any park. Um you know so 458 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:18,160 January 1 there's no anything from the PSA. So it is you know going to be our 459 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:23,480 responsibility which we you know accounted for with these discussions. 460 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,480 Um, 461 00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:32,640 Robbie, I know that in 2019, I were Were you in your position 2019? Perfect. 462 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:36,960 » Um, so there was a insurance settlement agreement. Um, that was roughly, we're 463 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:42,240 going to use a rough number about $600,000. 464 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:46,079 Um, I know just speaking with u the chairman of the PSA board who's on 465 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:50,880 Kansas City Council, you know, they got roughly $200,000. They set an account. 466 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:54,640 uh you know so whenever a settlement would come that they have that sitting 467 00:39:52,720 --> 00:40:01,119 there. Uh do we know what we did with our share of that insurance settlement? 468 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,880 » It was uh it was a lawsuit by the county um and it was distributed out and there 469 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,240 there was some monies there. So >> probably mid209 470 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:13,839 I think >> correct about right about that. So uh 471 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:17,520 I'm curious what we chose to do with our collection of that. um you know if we by 472 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:22,960 chance have set it aside and if you don't know about it maybe we haven't. I 473 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:28,480 don't don't know finance. Okay. Um so I know they set theirs aside. So um but 474 00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:33,680 neither here nor there. Um you know we are going to have to do something with 475 00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:37,440 the park. Um as far as you know it seems that we're going to take it over one way 476 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:41,839 or another. That's what we want. We want to put money into it. We don't want to 477 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:45,359 put projects on hold. Um, it is something we have to work out, but 478 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,079 I I don't know that terminating our existing decision is the best thing to 479 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:53,520 do right now. >> Well, you know, we've been putting money 480 00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:58,880 into this park, which has been owned by the PSA 481 00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:04,160 routinely. We've been, you know, repairing the water park and we are 482 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:11,599 about to put some money into some tennis courts and I don't really see that that 483 00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:18,160 needs to stop. I mean, I don't envision that this process of tapping the brakes 484 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:25,280 on, you know, approving the transfer of the property takes a very long time. if 485 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:31,680 in fact everybody is willing to pay their part when the time comes 486 00:41:29,359 --> 00:41:37,520 um when we've negotiated something with the IRS then it should be a pretty 487 00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:42,319 simple process to incorporate that into our agreement 488 00:41:39,839 --> 00:41:47,280 and I don't think it should take that long and in the meantime it doesn't hold 489 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:53,040 us up. I don't think that we should stop doing what we're doing with the parks 490 00:41:49,839 --> 00:41:58,000 because we've been doing some things with the park even though we don't own 491 00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:02,880 it. I just think when you have a lean on a piece of property, you want to have an 492 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:08,960 agre an agreement about how that lean's going to be paid before you accept a 493 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:14,319 lean in the transfer because we've had already two failed offering 494 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:18,720 compromises. We're working on another one. 495 00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:23,839 The county, the PSA is working on another one and they've got a very good 496 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:28,640 firm working on it. But the likelihood is that, you know, we're not going to 497 00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:34,319 get an offer that reduces the whole liability. And 498 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:39,839 in the 2023, even though the leans add up to about 499 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:45,200 $1.2 $2 million in the 2023 audited financial statements for the PSA. 500 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:53,440 There's a footnote in there that says that the liability was 1.5 million. So I 501 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:59,280 don't we nobody really knows what the balance is right now. And that's another 502 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:04,800 reason why I think we just need to proceed with caution and that is my only 503 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:08,880 reason for bringing it to everybody's attention. 504 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:14,400 Mr. Blackby, can I ask you that you did you prepare the uh the quick claim uh 505 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,079 information for the city of Kingsland as well to take back the Lions Park? 506 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:23,359 » I have not. >> Okay. Because did they I believe they 507 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:26,480 have they have done that already is uh they were supposed to have done that. 508 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,240 » I don't believe they've done that yet. >> No, 509 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:32,160 » I don't believe they have. >> Okay. 510 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:37,839 » You know, one of the things that uh you know, we we've been talking about this 511 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:43,200 property since January. um uh and not knowing quite who owned what and there 512 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:46,960 was a lot of debate about did we own the land underneath the aquatic center? 513 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,960 Would did the county own all you know was there was a lot of back and forth 514 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:56,160 about it. Um you know the fact of the matter is is that uh you know this 515 00:43:53,520 --> 00:44:00,240 property and any property that I would assume I don't know why it would just 516 00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:06,079 have been placed on one piece of property. Uh, but if the IRS had a lean 517 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:10,079 on on properties um 518 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:14,960 owned by the PSA, then it would have been all the properties owned by the PSA 519 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,280 assumably. Is that a fair assumption or would they 520 00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:21,200 » I think that's right. The question that I've that I have is which properties 521 00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:25,040 were actually conveyed to PSA because talking to the PSA attorney, he 522 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:29,839 indicated there were a fair number that had been intended to be conveyed that 523 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:33,440 never were. Um, I think in particular there's a park in Woodbine that never 524 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:37,760 got conveyed to PSA, so that was still owned by Woodbine. And then I'm not sure 525 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,920 about some of the county parks either. >> Okay. 526 00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:46,400 » So, would it be accurate that the lean would be also attached to 1050 W cap 527 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:49,359 drive where the PSA office is and and Lions Club Park actually owned by the 528 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:56,640 PSA. >> So, if you look on the public records, 529 00:44:51,760 --> 00:45:01,920 » I was Let me finish please. So the um you know the lean's going to exist 530 00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:07,359 whether we own it or or it's back to PSA owns it and the possibility of the 531 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:11,520 property being seized and sold at auction or whatever in order to satisfy 532 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:17,599 this this amount due to the IRS is a 533 00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,280 possibility either way. Um, and you know that that was just kind of the reality I 534 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:25,920 thought we were dealing with. And I know some of the steps that the PSA has been 535 00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:30,400 taking with as council member Keane mentioned that they had filed to have 536 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,680 this dismissed in two prior occasions, but when they had done that, they had 537 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:39,200 not done all of their quarterly filings and so it was an incomplete record and 538 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:44,960 so they were summarily just uh, you know, ignored because they had not had a 539 00:45:42,240 --> 00:45:50,319 complete tax record yet. Uh so in in recent months that complete record has 540 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:55,440 now been filed with the IRS and the PSA is currently 541 00:45:52,319 --> 00:46:02,240 uh has done everything that the IRS uh has asked of them in order to move this 542 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:08,640 process forward. And so as as those are now being documented as being filed by 543 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:13,760 the IRS, the uh tax firm that the PSA has hired is going to be, you know, 544 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:18,400 seeking for some dismissal of some of the fees, interest or uh actually 545 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:24,000 partial fees. We don't know what'll happen there. But my other contention 546 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:28,319 was is that you know this uh even though there's no language specifically to it 547 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:37,440 in the uh that I could find or that we've reviewed yet that indicates that 548 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:43,440 um specific debt of the PSA is would be shared by everyone as part of the PSA. 549 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:48,240 um you know in all my conversations with uh leaders from the other cities and and 550 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:52,480 PSA that uh it is you know clearly understood 551 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:58,960 that this debt is belongs to the PSA and thus belongs to everyone and um you know 552 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:04,000 in speaking with Mr. black will be today in the new IG that you know that we 553 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:10,319 enter into. My question really kind of was does this belong in the IG even 554 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:17,119 because if Woodbine who had voted previously not to join the new IG 555 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:22,480 uh they would still would not they still be liable for their share of this debt, 556 00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:26,720 you know. Um, and I think we would all agree on a moral standpoint that yes, 557 00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:33,839 they would I mean, they were part and parcel to this when it occurred, you 558 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:38,880 know, 15 years ago. And uh, under that um, but as as council member, you know, 559 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,720 King pointed out, we, you know, people are people and people 560 00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:47,359 in money. they do things. And so, you know, I don't think it's a bad idea to 561 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:51,440 to have a written agreement that specifies 562 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:56,560 uh and everyone I've spoken to would kind of agrees to this or kind of but 563 00:47:54,079 --> 00:48:01,599 does agree to the fact that it is shared debt. Uh it belongs to all of the m 564 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:05,200 municipalities and county equally or not equally but based on their proportional 565 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,720 share uh of this debt. And so if we can add 566 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:14,560 that into the new agreement, if Woodbine does choose to join this initial 567 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:19,119 agreement, if they don't, then I think we have to have an agreement outside of 568 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:24,800 the IGA that addresses this debt if we're trying to get something in 569 00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:29,920 writing. Um, but you know, the cities and the counties we 570 00:48:27,599 --> 00:48:33,040 have, they were 20 years ago, I don't know how many of you are here, but there 571 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:37,839 were a lot there used to be a lot of back and forth. uh there was a lot of 572 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:42,880 negative negivism between the municipalities and the county and and uh 573 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:47,040 nasty working relationships and things didn't go well that you know that is 574 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:53,680 much improved in these years and everyone has good working relationships 575 00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:58,480 and you know naive as I may be I I do trust the relationships of of the other 576 00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,400 leaders that we have that you know that we can settle this and so for that 577 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:07,040 reason I didn't ne necessarily personally think that it 578 00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:10,559 necessary to step backwards from the progress we made into getting this 579 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:16,319 property in our name because that lean is going to exist whether it's in our 580 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:20,400 name or it's you know uh back at the PSA and if the IRS wants to seize the land 581 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:26,160 they're going to seize it we're going to lose it either way if that's what 582 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:32,880 happens uh and you know there's there's no negotiating tactic or leverage that 583 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:40,000 putting that land back in the PSA and away from us is going to protect that 584 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:45,200 land uh you know if if we don't have the buy in from the other partners and so I 585 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:53,440 don't really see the the land as being a negotiating leveraging tool uh to us 586 00:49:49,200 --> 00:50:00,800 coming up with a plan a legal plan that says we will all share in the liability 587 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:05,359 uh in in a in a legal document because it's not built into the current IG G. 588 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:10,480 It's not built into the previous IGA and so we do need some sort of document to 589 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:14,559 that end. I just didn't think that in the way of moving forward with our 590 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:19,839 recreational plans and the things that we want to do with the park, maintaining 591 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:26,800 and improving the parks uh that we made this step. And uh if the county has not 592 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:32,160 signed uh the deed for this and actually completed the transaction, uh I believe 593 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:36,960 they would be willing to tap the brakes as you said and hold off on that if we 594 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:41,839 asked them to. No rush necessarily. It doesn't do anything for them one way or 595 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:47,280 the other. Um but I believe we can move forward and and uh get the relationship 596 00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:54,559 the uh the agreement that we need you know to put in and uh in legal terms 597 00:50:51,440 --> 00:51:00,720 uh how this uh liability will be taken care of and and that was just kind of my 598 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:05,119 my state. I agree with you 100%, you know, but I believe in putting it in 599 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:12,880 writing, you know, um I trust them and everything too, but we probably need to 600 00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:16,960 uh change the wording in the IG to >> 100% agree, but I just I don't see that 601 00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:22,640 transferring the land back and forth, you know, really 602 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:27,280 we can we can continue to go the route that we're going. You know, it's not 603 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:32,559 going to pay the bill IRS. is still going to be um a problem. But what I 604 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:38,480 wanted to do was to make sure that the county and the cities uh have a shared 605 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:44,640 interest in what's going to be paid back. That's all. 606 00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:50,480 » Yes, sir. Um 607 00:51:47,119 --> 00:51:53,720 I'd like to make a motion to not resend our resolution. 608 00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:00,000 So, I don't know if that's Can we do that in that order or make a motion to 609 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:05,760 add it to the Well, >> I think the agenda item was framed as 610 00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,720 it's going to be a motion to resend it. So, I think you could just take no 611 00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:12,559 action if >> just take no action for now and we could 612 00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:14,640 reconvene at a different meeting if needed on this, but I do think we need 613 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:20,640 to. >> Well, I guess the proper thing would be 614 00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:26,400 to ask if there is a a motion to uh to resend 615 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:30,960 I'd like to make a motion that we resend the resolution and quick claim deed for 616 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:39,359 transfer of ownership regarding St. Mary's Civic Park and Lake St. Mary's 617 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:41,520 Camden County Public Service Authority. >> Okay. Is there a second? 618 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:46,720 » Vote. >> Second. Okay. So, is there any other 619 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:53,760 discussion? >> I'd like to ask Mr. Blackerby if he will 620 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:59,200 advise us on this since he knows a lot more about this than we do. 621 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:04,559 » Well, one thing that I I totally agree with is there's there's not a right or 622 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:10,319 wrong answer here. Um there are several ways it could play out with the lean 623 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:14,720 being in place. I mean hopefully uh the PSA stays around for a long time 624 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,800 and is fully funded and pays off the lean and that's hopefully what happens 625 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:24,240 and I would assume that's the most likely outcome. uh if you take take the 626 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,720 transfer of the ownership and for whatever reason the PSA isn't fully 627 00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:33,920 funded in the future to pay that lean off then we're holding the property 628 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:37,839 subject to it to the lean that is and you could have a situation 629 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:40,960 maybe very unlikely but you could have a situation where the IRS comes looking to 630 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:47,520 get paid and says we're going to levy on that property and chooses that one to be 631 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:53,119 the the target of their levy. Uh on the flip side, if you if you leave it 632 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:58,240 in the ownership of the PSA and the PSA doesn't have funding to 633 00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:01,200 continue paying it, then you're still not in a good situation 634 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:05,680 because then you've got a PSA board that you've only got two members on and they 635 00:54:04,240 --> 00:54:08,640 could decide, you know what, we don't have the money to pay the IRS. We're 636 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:14,400 just going to give them the property in lie of paying it. That's a possibility 637 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:18,720 as well. So there are multiple bad outcomes and there's hopefully a good 638 00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:23,200 outcome that that that's going to happen which is that the PSA remains funded and 639 00:54:20,720 --> 00:54:27,359 pays this off. But it's it's really a matter of your comfort level I guess um 640 00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:31,599 in terms of how to move forward in your relationship with the other cities and 641 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:35,200 the county. Uh I do think it's imperative and and this has been said 642 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,319 multiple times. We do need to address this in the intergovernmental agreement 643 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:43,359 going forward. And we need to include a provision that clearly provides that the 644 00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:47,680 the liabilities and the debts of the PSA are jointly shared in in in accordance 645 00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:52,000 with the percentages by which we're funding the PSA and that that is an 646 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,040 obligation that will survive the intergovernmental agreement because 647 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:58,000 right now we don't have that in place at all. 648 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:01,599 » Right. And we do not have an inter our intergovernmental agreement has expired. 649 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,599 Is that correct? >> That is correct. But even even if we add 650 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:08,640 it, it wouldn't speak specifically to this because even under that 651 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:13,119 intergovernmental agreement, any city or the county could withdraw upon 90 days 652 00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:18,960 notice. And it stated that the funding obligation ceased upon that 90th day. So 653 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,000 that's got to be addressed and and we're already address we're already trying to 654 00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:25,680 to you know hammer out a new intergovernmental agreement and still 655 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:31,200 trying to figure out how Woodbine will fit into that if at all. But while we're 656 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,680 while we're working on that, I think we need to address this as well in the new 657 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:42,800 intergovernment. >> So I would like to change my motion. Let 658 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:49,599 me withdraw the motion that I just made and change it to 659 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:54,960 um based on the advice that we've had that we 660 00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,440 we can vote on resending. But I think that 661 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:59,839 » Hold on one second. I I just want to say Miss Ke because we do have a motion on 662 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,920 the floor here. >> We have to vote on it. 663 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:05,680 » Second. Yeah. >> Okay. I'd like to withdraw my motion. 664 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,160 » Second. >> I'll withdraw my second. 665 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,680 » Okay. So, you have to withdraw your second. 666 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:16,640 » Okay. So, the original motion has been uh withdrawn and seconded. And do we 667 00:56:13,599 --> 00:56:21,760 need to vote on that withdrawal or >> or is it just withdrawn? Okay. 668 00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:32,559 » And the reason I'm doing that is the risk of not owning the property. 669 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:37,599 and the ultimate need for the IRS to seize it and us not having control of 670 00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:44,240 the park. But I am uh I think that this was a 671 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:52,000 discussion that we should have had and the council should have been informed 672 00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:58,400 all council members that there was excuse me in fact a very large lean on 673 00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:03,920 the property before we were asked to vote on whether or not to transfer it. 674 00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:11,240 So, I think the discussion has been fruitful in that respect and I 675 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:11,240 appreciate everybody's thoughts on it. 676 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:18,880 » So, we're back to I don't know if that was a new motion or if we're just back. 677 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:22,240 » There is no motion. >> So, 678 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:29,599 » okay. Yeah. >> So, for lack of a motion and second, the 679 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:32,480 item I fails on no action. >> There was no motion. 680 00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:35,880 That's what I said with the lack of for the lack of motion. 681 00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:46,400 » Okay. Announcement of our calendar. M. >> Yes, sir. On Wednesday, October the 8th, 682 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:50,880 there is Bobby. Are you still having a 10:00 a.m. or is that the one you moved? 683 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:55,119 You still having it? Okay. There will be a pre-bid for St. Mary's Road 684 00:57:53,359 --> 00:57:58,559 Intersection Improvement Project, Espanob Boulevard here in Council 685 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:03,520 Chambers. And again, that's 10:00 a.m. on Wednesday, October the 8th. And DAS 686 00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:08,160 on Development Authority of St. Mary's has moved their meeting to October the 687 00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:12,640 8th at 5:00 p.m. in the Main Street office. On Thursday, October the 9th in 688 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,520 the Main Street office at 9:30, we'll have the Orange Hall Management 689 00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:19,440 Committee meeting. Again, that will be in Main Street, followed by the 5:00 690 00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:25,280 p.m. St. Mary's Inter Coastal Gateway meeting in Main Street as well. And on 691 00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:28,559 Monday, October the 13th at 8:30 a.m. in Main Street, the Downtown Development 692 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:32,640 Authority meeting. On Tuesday, October the 14th, there's a 5:30m planning 693 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:36,880 commission meeting. And also, the planning commission has added a work 694 00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:42,880 session on that day. Is it at 4:30, Jamie? 4:30 work session on that day. On 695 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:46,799 Thursday, October the 16th, tonight, which will be which has already been 696 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:50,799 sent by our finance director. That will be the first two of the public hearings 697 00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:54,960 on the tax increase regarding the military. Again, that will be Thursday, 698 00:58:52,960 --> 00:59:00,559 October the 16th here in council chambers at 10:00 a.m. and again at 6:00 699 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:05,760 p.m. On Friday, October the 17th at 9:00, we will have St. Mary's Municipal 700 00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:11,520 Court Trials followed by the 11:00 a.m. ple arraignments. And on Monday, October 701 00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:16,240 the 20th, also sent out today by the finance director, will be a 5:00 PM 702 00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:22,000 public hearing on the military followed by the 6:00 p.m. city council meeting. 703 00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:26,040 Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. All right, council member comments. 704 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:33,599 Um, I just want to I didn't get a chance to 705 00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:40,880 talk to my cousin back there with all that Steeler gear on, but the Jaguars 706 00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:45,079 will be playing tonight at 8:00. So, you need to go home and put on your teal. 707 00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:52,880 Um, we won't be having another meeting 708 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:57,839 before then. So, uh, you know, our first Friday has been rebranded to a live 709 00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:01,440 after 5. Uh, it's, you know, and it's not first Friday anymore because it 710 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,359 might not be on the first Friday, which is the case this month. So, in an effort 711 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:08,799 not to compete against other local activities, especially Wildcat football, 712 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:13,280 uh, they're able to make this event flexible and move the dates. And it's 713 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:16,720 been a great event. They've actually enhanced it. I think we're on about our 714 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:20,880 fifth month, our fifth month, I believe, or sixth somewhere in there where we've 715 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:25,520 had increased vendor activity, music, live music, bands. It's just a good 716 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:29,520 time. There's kids activities. So, uh, if you haven't made one, please do check 717 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:33,920 it out. It'll be October 17th this month. It'll be the 17th for Live After 718 01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,920 5 starts at 5:00 p.m. >> I heard nothing but good things about 719 01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,599 it. >> Check it out. Come on, baby. 720 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:46,720 » I've been there, but I mean, everybody's talking good about it. 721 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:51,440 Anyone else? Yes, I'd like to thank the city staff 722 01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:59,680 uh volunteers and the Quanians for the seafood festival in St. Mary's. It was 723 01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:07,200 uh very very well received and I know the rock shrimp was well received and uh 724 01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:13,200 it was a pleasant treat having rock shrimp back for the first time in over 725 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,599 10 years. Well, thanks Andler. 726 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:26,640 Anyone else? Okay. Um, and I'll just uh echo uh Mr. 727 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:31,280 Rassy's sentiments about the city staff and uh you know it it and the Quanians. 728 01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:35,760 It takes uh takes a lot of people to put on these festivals and a lot of hard 729 01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:39,680 work that go behind the scenes from from everyone. And uh even though the day 730 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:43,920 started out a little shaky with some rain, we ended up with a beautiful day 731 01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:48,400 and uh it was a great festival and I hope you had time to come down and check 732 01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:52,799 it out. And if not, uh first Saturday in October next year, you know, we'll be 733 01:01:50,079 --> 01:01:54,720 right back here again for that. So, uh please join us. 734 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,839 » Mayor Mard. >> Yes, ma'am. 735 01:01:55,119 --> 01:02:02,880 » I do apologize. Um the scarecrow stroll, Angela, did you want us to announce that 736 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,880 the date of the scarecrow stroll? Yeah. 737 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:19,119 » October 26 from 1 to 5. >> The microphone's not on. October 26 from 738 01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:23,119 1 to 5 is just air. >> And it's on our Facebook page. They can 739 01:02:20,799 --> 01:02:28,480 call if they have questions. 8824000. >> It's on the uh the tourism Facebook page 740 01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:31,359 and 8824000. You can call if you have questions. 741 01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:38,000 visit stries.com. Thank you, Angel. 742 01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:42,400 All right, ms. Cler concise have a u motion to adjurnn. So move 743 01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:45,359 » second. >> And all those in favor? 744 01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,559 » I when have we ever had a meeting? Finish 745 01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:53,119 this early. >> I know. 746 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:56,400 » Let's go home and eat dinner. >> Jackpot party.