[0:18] Good evening. I call to order the uh
city council meeting for October 6th.
[0:25] And we will begin with our invocation
from uh Council Member King.
[0:33] Gracious and loving God, we come before
you this evening with grateful hearts,
[0:38] seeking your wisdom and guidance as we
serve our community. Bless this council
[0:44] and our management team with
discernment, compassion, and integrity.
[0:49] That every decision will reflect
justice, kindness, and fiscal
[0:54] responsibility for the well-being of our
citizens.
[0:58] May we work together in unity, honoring
the trust placed in us and striving
[1:03] always to uplift those we represent. In
your holy name we pray. Amen.
[1:09] » Amen.
>> I aliance to the flag of the United
[1:14] States of America and to the republic
for which it stands. One nation under
[1:21] indivisible with liberty and justice for
all.
[1:28] Ma'am Kirk will have a roll call,
please.
[1:30] » Yes, sir. Councilman Jones, post one.
>> I'm here.
[1:33] » Councilman Connor, post two.
>> I'm here.
[1:35] » Councilman Ingram, post three.
>> Here.
[1:38] » Councilman Nasnto, post four.
>> Councilman Rassie, post five.
[1:44] » Present.
>> Councilman King, post six.
[1:46] » Here.
>> Mayor Lockhart.
[1:48] » I'm here, ma'am.
>> Sir, we have a quorum.
[1:50] » Yes, ma'am. Thank you. And for the uh
purposes of uh minutes, the unanimous
[1:54] vote will be five. Yes sir. Okay.
>> Our first item is approval of our
[1:59] minutes from the September 15th city
council meeting work session development
[2:04] redevelopment tax incentive program
blighted properties and regular and the
[2:08] October 2nd
uh fourth quarter developers progress
[2:12] updated town hall.
>> Make a motion we approve motion by Mr.
[2:15] Connor.
>> Second.
[2:16] » Second by Miss King. Any discussion? All
those in favor? I. Any opposed? That's
[2:23] unanimous madam.
>> Yes sir. Righty.
[2:27] Next thing is the uh board appointment.
So, we have a new board, the tax
[2:33] allocation district number three
advisory board. Still looking for one
[2:36] member to fill out um that board. And we
have the uh board appointment for the
[2:43] Camden County Board of Education Sex
Education Structural Review Committee.
[2:48] So if you have an interest in serving in
any of those capacities, uh, please see
[2:52] our clerk with an application.
The report of our authorities, boards,
[2:58] and commissions, we have our finance
report. And that uh, looks like Murder
[3:03] is going to be here to give that.
>> Good evening, mayor and council. In your
[3:07] packets, you will find the financial
report of the city's revenue and expend
[3:11] expenditures through August 2025, which
is the second month of fiscal year 2026.
[3:17] Do you have any questions?
>> No, ma'am. Good report.
[3:22] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> All right. Thank you.
[3:26] And that leads us to the report of our
city manager, Mr. Ho.
[3:39] Good evening, Mayor and Council,
citizens.
[3:42] Um, first off, let me start by saying
I'm not sick, but I do have silences and
[3:48] it's I have and for Dr. Marino, I have
been wearing my protective equipment.
[3:54] So, it is silences. That's a whole
different discussion. Anyway, demolition
[4:00] of the old city pool. Anderson
Environmental has completed the lead
[4:03] asbestous abatement project. The city
has received the report from Anderson
[4:08] Environmental that the project is clear.
We're still waiting on the final
[4:12] disposal certification to close out the
projects. Soon as we receive that,
[4:16] public works crews can begin demolition
process and we utilize the project to
[4:21] train heavy equipment operators that are
on staff on how to use the the big stuff
[4:28] in the rightway mowing. for city crews.
Um route for city crews is down to 14
[4:34] days after contracting additional road
sections and waterfront park. As the
[4:38] crews are able to get caught up on items
such as edging, uh we would expect the
[4:44] route time to decrease even further to a
goal of 10 days. The downtown mowing
[4:50] areas, non-contracted, are running on a
6-day route schedule. We are working
[4:56] towards a goal to get this down to 5-day
schedule. Our contractors, Coastal
[5:01] Greenery and Addis Lawn Care, are
working on their respective roadway
[5:05] sections. Sidewalk and curb edging has
been a topic of concern from residents
[5:10] due to weed killers being used instead
of the mechanical edging. Contractors
[5:15] have been made aware of not to use the
weed killer for edging, but only for
[5:20] cracks and joint weed control.
Um, Landscape Innovations has completed
[5:26] the removal and replacement of stone
pavered walkways
[5:31] in the first road medium on Osborne with
a cannon. Um, ditch crews as of 103, the
[5:39] ditch crew number one is 75% complete on
outfall ditches and ditch crew number
[5:44] two just completed the ditches in the
Palmetto Street area. They'll be moving
[5:49] towards the Dovas Drive, Florence Street
area. Ditch crew 2 is currently
[5:55] repairing a leak storm drain inlet on
stable alley and cleaning ditches
[5:59] throughout the city that are in urgent
need of cleaning. The old place drainage
[6:04] project. Public work staff has received
the signed easements from the three
[6:09] property owners and have sent sent them
to the city attorney for recording. Once
[6:13] the easements have been recorded, the
city can move in to establish the
[6:17] necessary swell to help mitigate the
backyard drainage issue there. The
[6:22] Palmetto Street drainage. The public
works department is currently working to
[6:26] secure a surveyor for the survey and
legal descriptions needed to submit to
[6:31] the city attorney to draft the easement
agreement for the property owner to
[6:36] sign. Um for council, there's a drawing
in your a map in your packet so you can
[6:43] see it. Uh the co-rain road winding road
roundabout. City of Kingsland, city of
[6:48] St. Mary's have teamed up on this
project including design, permit, and
[6:52] construction. The city will take the
lead on the project with city of St.
[6:56] Mary's having collaborative input
through the whole process with expenses
[7:00] being split 50/50 between two cities.
The RFPs are to be open on October 9th
[7:07] at 2 p.m. We are planning to be there.
Um the LIG project, LIIG projects for 25
[7:16] and 25 cemental are being prepared to
send out for construction bids. The lame
[7:22] 26 projects are being developed to to
submit to city council for approval
[7:27] prior to submittal to G dot.
trash cans on Osborne Street. New trash
[7:34] cans, uh, five of them are scheduled to
be delivered on the 6th, um, which was
[7:40] today. Once they're arrived, they'll be
assembled and they will be installed on
[7:44] Osborne Street on from St. Mary Street
to Dillingham Street. That's public
[7:49] trash cans like you see at the
waterfront, the the black ones with the
[7:54] things in the bonnet, the whole nine
yards. Um, we had our RFP opening for
[8:00] the tennis courts and had no biders. Mr.
Williams is reaching out to make contact
[8:06] with vendors and get price quotes. We
were hoping to have something for you
[8:10] tonight, but we're still waiting on a
couple of bids. Okay.
[8:15] Uh, we had our RFP opening for the front
porch repairs of tourism building with
[8:20] only one bid. Staff is still reviewing
the proposal at this time. we'll we'll
[8:25] have it in front of you one way or
another here very shortly. Um we have
[8:30] reached out to GMC regarding the storm
water program on getting a price on
[8:34] getting the information updated and to
help getting the building set up for
[8:39] that utility. We've also been working on
how we're going to handle the utility
[8:46] internally with staff that we currently
have. Uh we have hope to have it wrapped
[8:50] up in the upcoming weeks.
For everybody that's in the audience and
[8:57] listening
online, please listen to this. The
[9:01] Department of Natural Resources will be
placing a used oyster shell collection
[9:06] dumpster at the Meeting Street boat ramp
as early as next Friday. This initiative
[9:12] is a part of a statewide effort to
collect and repurpose oyster shells
[9:18] h for habitat restoration and shoreline
protection. The program has proven
[9:24] successful at other docks throughout
Georgia and the DNR believes our
[9:28] location will serve as a great addition
to these efforts. They will be providing
[9:33] additional information soon
posting on our website. No assistance or
[9:38] permits are required from the city as
the lease agreement for the dock allows
[9:42] for these types of collection programs.
So when they you go down to put your
[9:47] boat in at the meeting street boat ramp
you see the dumpster it's not for trash
[9:52] it's for oyster ships. So we'll have
more information on that coming soon.
[9:57] Mr. Mayor that concludes my report this
for evening unless someone has a
[10:01] question.
Will this agreement with DNR for the
[10:05] oyster shells uh have any language in
there about how often they will collect
[10:10] and empty those things as to prohibit
them from becoming uh ownorous
[10:17] » owners.
I will let you know as soon as we know I
[10:22] will let you know. They contacted me
today about this program. Um
[10:25] » we're just trying to get the information
out as quick as we poss
[10:29] Okay. Thank you. Anyone else?
All right. Thank you, Mr.
[10:34] » Thank you.
>> Okay. We'll move to uh set our consent
[10:39] agenda.
[10:43] » So for we have no old business items.
For new business, we have the
[10:47] authorization to issue notice of
non-renewal of marketing agreement with
[10:52] utility service partners private label
inc DBA home serve service line warranty
[10:57] of America program.
>> Consent.
[11:00] » Consent.
[11:04] The Historic Preservation Fund Grant
Award for Historic Preservation
[11:08] Commission Community Design Guidelines
from Georgia Department of Community
[11:12] Affairs Historic Preservation Division.
>> Consent.
[11:17] » C. Designing for resilience through
estuary restoration and defense
[11:21] community professional services
agreement for engineering and design
[11:26] services with Black and Fat.
Uh, National Fish and Wildlife
[11:30] Foundation spine program.
[11:37] » D, National Flood Insurance Program
Community Rating System Program for
[11:41] Public Information Annual Report
approved.
[11:44] » Excuse me, sir. I do apologize. Um,
Jamie has asked if you could not put
[11:47] that on consent because she'd like to
present that report.
[11:50] » Okay, we'll discuss.
[11:55] » All right. Item E, professional services
contract for geographic information
[12:00] systems with Kosal Regional Commission.
>> Discuss.
[12:04] » Discuss.
>> Since you'll be up anyway.
[12:08] [Music]
>> Item F, annual external financial and
[12:11] compliance audit services contract for
Malden Jenkins Certified Public
[12:15] Accountants.
[12:20] G. Uh, winding road trail project right
ofway acquisition services task order
[12:25] number two amendment number three.
>> Consent.
[12:32] Item H, St. Mary's Harbor LLC new
alcohol license.
[12:35] » Consent.
>> Consent.
[12:40] » And item I, rescend resolution and quick
claim deed for transfer of ownership
[12:44] regarding St. Mary Civic Park and Lake
St. Mary's Canon County Public Service
[12:48] Authority September 15th, 2025 city
council meeting.
[12:51] » Discuss.
[12:55] » Okay. So, for the consent agenda, we
have items A, B, C,
[13:02] F, G, and H.
So, with that, we'll have granting
[13:09] audience to the public. So, if you have
uh anything that you'd like to talk to
[13:14] us about uh items on agenda or
otherwise, please come to the
[13:18] microphone, give us your name and
address, and uh try to keep your
[13:21] comments to 5 minutes or less.
[13:30] » Mhm.
[13:37] Bird seals 816 View Drive.
um
[13:43] two things. the um
item F,
[13:50] the annual external financial compliance
order service contract. You know, um I
[13:57] know you all sent it out and like this
is we only had one and I'm kind of
[14:02] wondering you
uh where is by the way 6600 Aine
[14:10] Street 200 is that in St. Mary's?
>> It's in Savannah I believe. Oh.
[14:15] » Mhm.
>> Savannah. Okay.
[14:19] So, Mr. Blunt and all these guys, they
ain't taking a chance. They ain't going
[14:23] for it.
>> They don't do audit services like this.
[14:25] » Very specialized. Okay.
>> So, that's the Savannah. Okay. All they
[14:30] said was sweet 200. So, I didn't know
who where it was. You know what I mean?
[14:34] All right.
[14:37] Um,
I want to go back to Scrubby Bluff.
[14:44] you know, um, you know, uh, when we get
to
[14:50] Wayne, I'm trying to think of where that
whole area, the shell, BP, KOA, M, uh,
[14:56] those up are come up that comes up under
St. Mary's,
[15:01] the city of St. Mary's.
>> I think most of the properties on the
[15:05] west side of the interstate are city of
Kingsland on
[15:09] » Well, there's a little tease there.
Let's see what it signs. Okay. For
[15:13] example, where the pilot pilot
>> the street the street itself does go
[15:17] down as St. Mary's and I think there's a
piece of there's a parcel down there
[15:20] somewhere that's flagged in but most of
what's on the west side is in city of
[15:26] Kingsland.
>> Even the pilot
[15:30] » pilot on our side is
>> well there's a pilot
[15:34] » pilot on the east side is St. Mary's.
The pilot on the west side is Kingsman
[15:38] I'm pretty sure.
>> Yes.
[15:39] » Yes. Oh, so everything on that side is
basically Kingsland.
[15:44] » Yes, sir.
>> But they put a they have that sign up
[15:47] there showing way back the KOA and all
that stuff. All that debate, the BP and
[15:52] Shell, all that belongs to Kingston.
>> Yes, sir.
[15:55] » Wow. I didn't know that.
[16:00] Okay, that says a lot then. You know
that KOA coach parking and all that
[16:06] stuff. All that's Kingsland.
Oh, I didn't know that. I thought that
[16:12] was Py Mary's.
[16:15] We learn every day. That's all I got.
>> Thank you, sir.
[16:18] » Thank you, B.
[16:38] White. 102 Assembly's Court.
I'm glad to see that you're consenting
[16:43] item A under new business, which is not
to renew the the contract with this
[16:48] company that's been using the city of
St. Mary's emblem under envelopes,
[16:53] mailing out advertisements to property
owners, thinking that it's dealing with
[16:58] us with the consent of the St. Mary's
government. and I read through your
[17:04] packet and I don't think they have a leg
to stand on when they don't remove renew
[17:09] our contract with them. I think that's
about probably is up in February, I
[17:13] think, cuz you have to do a 90-day
notification that you're not going to
[17:17] redo the contract with them. So, I hope
that's true.
[17:22] The other thing is on item I, I'm not
sure exactly what that means. And since
[17:28] that was just added today to the to the
agenda, I would like a better
[17:33] explanation from Councilwoman Keen as to
why she wants to resend this agreement
[17:40] with the county.
>> We'll do that when we discuss it.
[17:53] Dave Smith, 112 New Hammock Circle up in
Shadowon. Um,
[17:59] just wanted to remind everybody that the
25th of October, Saturday, is I believe
[18:05] the 10th annual Alzheimer's walk for
Camden County.
[18:12] » Thank you. Thank you.
>> Where will this start?
[18:15] » Starts at the waterfront
>> at the waterfront park.
[18:18] And it ends with the waterfront part.
[18:30] » All right. There's no one else. We'll uh
>> Okay. I'm sorry.
[18:34] » I have a question.
>> Have a question. Jamie Galves, 107
[18:40] McDow, St. Mary's, uh McDall Street. Uh
resoning of the industrial park. When
[18:47] will that come on the agenda
>> or does it have to go through?
[18:51] » It's going to be at the next meeting.
>> It's already been
[18:54] » It's already been done. Yeah. So, yeah,
we So, that's right. So, the uh You're
[19:00] talking about the Commerce Park or the
industrial park?
[19:02] » The industrial park where the airport's
at?
[19:05] » Yeah, the same commerce park. We do We
did that at the last meeting.
[19:09] » It's already passed.
>> It's already passed.
[19:11] » Yes, sir.
>> Sir, could you please repeat your name
[19:14] and address for the clerk? J A I M E
first name there. Nobody ever spells it
[19:19] right. Galves, same thing. G A L A V I
Z. One 07 McDow Street, St. Mary's.
[19:27] » Thank you.
>> Is that good? Okay. Thank you very much.
[19:30] » Thank you.
[19:39] » All right. There's no one else. We'll uh
vote on our consent agenda. So once
[19:45] again to uh
we have items um A, B, C,
[19:54] F, G, and H on our consent agenda. I
have a motion to approve.
[19:58] » So moved.
>> Second. Okay. Motion by Mr. Ingram,
[20:03] second by Mr. Jones. Any discussion? All
those in favor?
[20:07] » I.
>> Any opposed?
[20:10] » Okay, that's unanimous now.
>> Yes, sir. And uh now have a motion to
[20:14] approve the agenda. So
>> move second.
[20:18] » Miss Keane, any other questions or
comments? All those in favor?
[20:23] » I.
>> Any post? That
[20:26] » unanimous?
>> Yes, sir.
[20:28] » Okay. So, that takes us into our new
business. And uh I do want to comment,
[20:32] Mr. White, you brought it up uh on item
A. Um, just so everyone knows, like I
[20:39] said, that we're we're moving forward
with the steps to cancel that, but uh
[20:44] the contract goes on until early next
year, February, March, and so you may
[20:49] still yet receive letters, but the
process is underway. Okay. And with
[20:55] that, we've got item D, the National
Flood Insurance Program Community
[20:59] Rating, and Miss Stein is going to
address.
[21:05] Thank you uh council members and mayor
and thank you uh madame clerk for
[21:10] queuing up this uh presentation. So
about this time every year uh the
[21:16] community development department uh
issues uh what's called the program for
[21:20] public information report. This has to
do with our participation in the
[21:25] community rating system which is part of
the national flood insurance program. Uh
[21:30] so in the report that you've received, I
just wanted to go over a few key items.
[21:35] I also wanted to let you know that um
typically we do an annual reertification
[21:42] of this program, but on um September
1st, I did receive an email in which uh
[21:50] FEMA has announced that the CRS program
uh will no longer be uh have a
[21:57] reertification
review. So, typically by October 15th,
[22:02] my office has to send all the
information in to kind of an an auditor
[22:08] and they look at all of the work that
we've done over the year and they uh
[22:12] give us uh reertification of our uh
levels of participation in the program.
[22:19] This year, due to a reduction in
funding, they won't be doing it, but
[22:22] they just ask that we continue to
operate business as usual. So, uh that's
[22:27] what we're going to continue doing. So,
uh, the program for public information,
[22:32] this is a report that is typically the
same every year, but, uh, I did want to,
[22:38] uh, highlight a few key things for
members of the public. So, our website,
[22:43] on the community development
department's website, there is a section
[22:47] on flood plane management. There are
several great resources in there,
[22:51] particularly related to knowing your
flood zone, the city's flood map, uh
[22:57] different uh resources for flood
protection. Uh we also have uh
[23:02] repetitive loss mailing. So every year
my department will send letters to those
[23:07] properties which have experienced
repetitive losses due to flooding. Uh we
[23:12] also uh for any of you that are in the
flood plane, you probably received a
[23:17] brochure from us that looks something
like this. Uh so that's part of our
[23:21] annual communications. Um and we also do
public announcements. I did one at the
[23:26] uh work session or the uh development
progress update last week and we're
[23:32] doing it again here. A couple of new
exciting things though. under the
[23:36] leadership of the county's flood plane
uh manager, a woman named Miss Cassie
[23:42] Turpin, she has re-engaged a um
countywide group of stakeholders that
[23:48] will meet on a quarterly basis uh to
review our program for public
[23:53] information and see if we can come up
with some creative ways to get more
[23:57] information out there and more
participation. Uh and a great thing
[24:01] about that is that she's engaged uh the
city of Kingsland which is new to the
[24:05] CRS program. She's also engaged uh
someone from the real estate uh sector
[24:10] as well as someone from the home
insurance sector. So we look forward to
[24:14] continuing those quarterly meetings uh
in future. And one little tidbit of of
[24:20] um of data every year starting uh we we
stop counting October 1st. So October to
[24:28] October, uh we tally all of the
certificates of occupancy that have been
[24:32] issued for new structures in the flood
plane. Uh and this last year we uh CO 36
[24:38] new structures in the flood plane.
>> Any questions?
[24:42] » I I do have a question. Um this is great
and I love to hear that there's going to
[24:48] be some uh meetings about public
information. Mhm.
[24:52] » Um will we be getting out any
information for people that may be
[24:58] building or remodeling in a flood plane
so that they're very aware of certain
[25:04] special code requirements
um in a flood plane?
[25:09] » Yes. So, uh, typically, uh, when there
is a property that get takes out a
[25:15] building permit, uh, most building
permits that do anything on the exterior
[25:20] or create something new will require a
site plan. Uh, my office and I will
[25:25] check to see if it is in the special
flood hazard area. If it is, then they
[25:30] have to get an elevation certificate and
they have to go through a series of
[25:33] steps. I mean, if anyone's thinking
about remodeling or building in the
[25:37] flood plane, please come see me. you
know, anybody I I I pride myself on
[25:42] anybody can walk into building and
planning and get somebody from 8:00 am
[25:46] to 5:00 pm, even juggling lunch hours.
So, please just come in and talk to us
[25:50] if you have uh any any questions about
that. And I think the remodeling piece,
[25:55] which we've had a little bit of
trepidation with in the past, uh there
[26:00] is a substantial improvement clause in
the National Flood Insurance Program and
[26:05] in our flood plane management ordinance.
So just uh please be reminded if you are
[26:11] if you are doing renovations which
constitute more than 50% of your
[26:16] existing property value, I'll be asking
you uh for your uh elevation
[26:21] certificate.
>> Great. Thank you.
[26:24] » Thank you very much.
>> Motion.
[26:29] » Yes, sir.
>> So move. So I'll say
[26:31] » I jumped on.
>> Any further questions?
[26:37] All those in favor?
>> I.
[26:39] » Any oppose?
>> Unanimous. M.
[26:42] » Yes, sir.
>> Excuse me. All right.
[26:47] Our next item then um is the
professional services contract for
[26:51] geographic information systems with the
CRC.
[26:55] » Uh thank you.
>> My question is simple. You know, it's
[26:59] just probably yes or no. Um
[27:05] um do we have anybody in house that has
u um knowledge with GIS
[27:15] or did we have anybody at one time?
>> Uh yes and yes. So I'll I'll speak to
[27:23] that. We used to uh during my time here
we did um advance a role in the
[27:31] department for a GIS manager. Uh that uh
particular employee didn't work out. Um
[27:39] and because I've learned uh basically
our the extent of how much geographic
[27:47] information system work that we do in
the city uh I don't feel that that role
[27:51] is necessary anymore. Uh, one of the
things that when I came into the role,
[27:56] we had um an enterprise server, which is
something in the GIS world that the
[28:02] county has, it's a very large investment
uh in doing GIS. And frankly, we don't
[28:07] we don't do that type of analysis and
layer creation and uh those types of
[28:13] things that would warrant that
investment or having a GIS manager. So
[28:17] uh we paired it down uh and now we do
this professional services contract with
[28:22] the coastal regional commission. Uh we
had this in place last year. So this is
[28:27] just a renewal. Uh some of the great
things that came out of this
[28:31] professional services contract was uh
the integration of our zoning map and
[28:37] and uh parcel layers that we have on the
website with cloud permit which is our
[28:42] online permitting system. So now those
two systems speak to each other and that
[28:47] requires uh a bit of a a bit of coding
that sends the county's data to our
[28:53] version of cloud permit and back and
that happens on a monthly basis. Um in
[28:58] house our junior planner, Miss Elise
Pierce is uh is
[29:05] excellent, incredible, potentially one
of my best hires uh and she is getting
[29:09] her master's degree from the University
of Florida. Um but
[29:14] » say that again
[29:18] » in in city and regional planning and she
has really upped our internal GIS game.
[29:23] So she makes sure that some of the
things that that we're doing inhouse are
[29:28] are um of really good quality.
So, just to kind of clarify, we we have
[29:33] the in-house capability to access the
system and pull basic information,
[29:37] things we might need, but that we are
relying on CRC for some of the back-end
[29:42] programming and integrations and things
like that. That's what this contract is
[29:46] about.
>> Yeah. Most recently, we had to update
[29:48] all of the city streets. Uh, and we
worked with CRC to do that, and that
[29:52] actually helped us create new, uh, grids
of the city streets for after uh,
[29:59] emergency uh, responses. So, a couple of
real good things.
[30:03] » Okay,
>> any other questions? I have a motion to
[30:06] approve,
>> Mr. Jones. Is there a second?
[30:10] » Second.
>> Second by Mr. Ingram. Any discussion?
[30:14] All those in favor? I.
>> Any oppose? Unanimous. Madam cler.
[30:18] » Yes, sir.
>> Thank you, Miss Stein.
[30:24] And that takes us to
item I, uh,
[30:31] for the possibility of rescending the
resolution and quick claim deed for the
[30:34] transfer of ownership. And, uh,
um, I'll let Miss Keane start with the
[30:40] conversation about about this. So on
September 15th, uh the council,
[30:48] one of the items that we approved was
the transfer of our park from and this
[30:54] is the park uh that contains the aquatic
center. It's 40ome plus acres
[31:02] from the PSA back to the city of St.
Mary's. Um, one of the things that
[31:09] happened during that meeting was our
city attorney mentioned that he had some
[31:13] concerns about that. So, early this
week, I spoke to him about that.
[31:19] And one of the things that I learned
during that conversation is that when he
[31:24] was doing the title search on the
property, um, he found an IRS lean. Um,
[31:32] and as you may remember, there were some
problems in the past, way in the past,
[31:38] uh, with the PSA and their payroll
taxes. So,
[31:44] I talked to my fellow council members.
There were four of us um, that did not
[31:50] know about the IRS lean. Um, and the
other two from various work and
[31:56] conversations that they were doing did
know about it. Um, I just wanted to
[32:02] bring that information forth,
uh, because the lean, um, I've got the
[32:09] leans here from the county totals
approximately,
[32:16] uh, 1.1 plus or minus some money
and those leans transfer with the
[32:24] property. So,
>> could you You said 1.1
[32:30] » plus or minus. Yeah, there's one for
>> Yes.
[32:35] » 9.
>> We didn't We didn't hit a million.
[32:38] » Oh, okay. 9114,838,
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[32:42] 594,
309,
[32:47] and 36,120.
[32:51] So there's really I mean I don't think I
would have voted the way I did or and
[32:57] this by the way was a consent item. We
all knew that we wanted to get this
[33:01] done. We've been working to try and get
the parks out of the PSA and take over
[33:05] maintenance.
So I think at this meeting it was
[33:10] natural that it was a consent item. Had
I known about the lean, I would have at
[33:16] least wanted to discuss it especially
with you all.
[33:20] uh make you aware of it. So there's
really no cut and dried answer on this,
[33:28] no good answer really, but there are a
couple of options that we have. Um I
[33:35] understand from the attorney that the um
one of the things we can do is try and
[33:42] negotiate something with the county and
the city uh of Kingsland, the city of
[33:49] St. Mary's in the city of Woodbine as to
their obligation
[33:54] regarding this lean
and essentially we would be all all of
[34:00] us would be responsible because the PSA
really doesn't have any money. It's
[34:05] funded by all of the cities in the
county. So since it's a PSA debt,
[34:12] um it's natural to think that we would
all pitch in on that. But when you're
[34:19] dealing with the IRS, um,
you're never sure once they have a lean
[34:25] on a piece of property, you know,
they're if they feel like they need to
[34:31] exercise that, they can. So, my idea is
that we just tap the brakes for a minute
[34:37] here and work out that agreement
and then, um,
[34:45] transfer the property after that.
[34:49] And is there any other commentary on
that?
[34:56] » Go ahead.
>> I knew about the the issues with the IRS
[35:02] last year. Um, and it just I never
thought that they would put a lean on
[35:08] the property um
if we decided that we would pull out of
[35:14] the PSA.
And it's it's unfortunate that once they
[35:20] put a lean on a piece of property, it's
we have to accept the responsibility of
[35:25] of payment. Uh so I agree maybe we need
to just kind of slow our roll until we
[35:33] can get a a handle on this and find out
who's going to pay what or if we have to
[35:38] pay anything in order to uh uh get the
land free and clear. And I would like to
[35:45] add one more thing. Excuse me. Um, when
our city attorney did the title search
[35:52] on the land, he did find the lean and he
did talk to our city manager and mayor
[35:59] about that. And you know, as I pointed
out, there are many different ways to
[36:04] look at this. Um, and I don't know that
any particular way is wrong. some ways,
[36:12] you know, you could say, well, that's
down the road and surely everybody will
[36:16] agree to pitch in when the time comes,
but it could be two or three years,
[36:21] maybe even longer before this gets
resolved. And,
[36:26] you know, by their very nature, our city
government councils change every couple
[36:32] of years. So I tend to go with the
conservative approach and that is to
[36:39] work that issue out first and then
transfer the property after that.
[36:47] » Yeah, those are definitely all very
valid concerns. Um I do know the PSA um
[36:54] and their board changes as well. Um they
do have, you know, a current board
[36:58] that's been on top of the situation as
far as they have made multiple uh
[37:04] attempts to settle the debt at a reduced
amount. Uh those have failed, but this
[37:09] last or where they're at currently is
they have hired a law firm that deals
[37:12] with this specifically uh with the IRS.
Uh the IRS now directly will deal and
[37:18] they're currently furled, but uh when
they come back into business, like Miss
[37:21] Keane said, it could be six months, but
it could be three years. you know,
[37:24] there's no timeline of when this uh
could be situated or settled, but with
[37:28] the um law firm, to my understanding,
that's been hired that, you know, they
[37:34] do deal with this with city government
and uh the IRS would speak directly with
[37:39] them. And it's not common for the IRS to
come and just want to, you know, like
[37:42] seize or u you know, auction off a
property that's governmentowned. Uh and
[37:47] they wouldn't just come and do it. Um,
yes, we do need to, you know, have
[37:52] clarity, you know, who whose
responsibility would be, but, you know,
[37:56] like Councilwoman Keane described, you
know, it is a shared debt between the
[38:02] county, Kingsland, St. Mary's, and I
know Woodbmine is a mild contributor and
[38:07] has been, but, you know, they're pulling
out of the PSA. Um we do need to get
[38:12] clarification that you know make a new
agreement of some sort and be it
[38:16] separate or an amended agreement that
would outline worst case scenarios and
[38:21] that's what this would be the worst case
scenarios if that were to happen. Um,
[38:26] but it is something we have to deal with
either way because it was, you know,
[38:29] funded by, you know, the the local
governments, uh, the PSA. And yes, the
[38:33] PSA had its issues. Um, and and we're
trying to, you know, obviously pull away
[38:37] from that. Um,
[38:42] as far as not accepting the property,
um, we're almost in a position and there
[38:47] is no right answer here. U there's not a
direct right thing to do because it's a
[38:51] hairy situation no matter which
direction we choose to go. Um you know
[38:55] the PSA approved their budget which is a
significantly reduced budget for
[38:59] managing sports and only maintaining the
property uh at 10 1050 Wildcat Drive. Um
[39:05] you know there is no budget for any
maintenance of any park. Um you know so
[39:11] January 1 there's no anything from the
PSA. So it is you know going to be our
[39:16] responsibility which we you know
accounted for with these discussions.
[39:20] Um,
[39:23] Robbie, I know that in 2019, I were Were
you in your position 2019? Perfect.
[39:30] » Um, so there was a insurance settlement
agreement. Um, that was roughly, we're
[39:35] going to use a rough number about
$600,000.
[39:38] Um, I know just speaking with u the
chairman of the PSA board who's on
[39:43] Kansas City Council, you know, they got
roughly $200,000. They set an account.
[39:48] uh you know so whenever a settlement
would come that they have that sitting
[39:52] there. Uh do we know what we did with
our share of that insurance settlement?
[39:58] » It was uh it was a lawsuit by the county
um and it was distributed out and there
[40:03] there was some monies there. So
>> probably mid209
[40:07] I think
>> correct about right about that. So uh
[40:10] I'm curious what we chose to do with our
collection of that. um you know if we by
[40:16] chance have set it aside and if you
don't know about it maybe we haven't. I
[40:18] don't don't know finance. Okay. Um so I
know they set theirs aside. So um but
[40:26] neither here nor there. Um you know we
are going to have to do something with
[40:30] the park. Um as far as you know it seems
that we're going to take it over one way
[40:36] or another. That's what we want. We want
to put money into it. We don't want to
[40:38] put projects on hold. Um,
it is something we have to work out, but
[40:43] I I don't know that terminating our
existing decision is the best thing to
[40:47] do right now.
>> Well, you know, we've been putting money
[40:50] into this park, which has been owned by
the PSA
[40:55] routinely. We've been, you know,
repairing the water park and we are
[41:02] about to put some money into some tennis
courts and I don't really see that that
[41:08] needs to stop. I mean, I don't envision
that this process of tapping the brakes
[41:14] on, you know, approving the transfer of
the property takes a very long time. if
[41:21] in fact everybody is willing to pay
their part when the time comes
[41:29] um when we've negotiated something with
the IRS then it should be a pretty
[41:34] simple process to incorporate that into
our agreement
[41:39] and I don't think it should take that
long and in the meantime it doesn't hold
[41:44] us up. I don't think that we should stop
doing what we're doing with the parks
[41:49] because we've been doing some things
with the park even though we don't own
[41:55] it. I just think when you have a lean on
a piece of property, you want to have an
[42:00] agre an agreement about how that lean's
going to be paid before you accept a
[42:05] lean in the transfer because
we've had already two failed offering
[42:11] compromises. We're working on another
one.
[42:15] The county, the PSA is working on
another one and they've got a very good
[42:20] firm working on it. But the likelihood
is that, you know, we're not going to
[42:26] get an offer that reduces the whole
liability. And
[42:31] in the 2023,
even though the leans add up to about
[42:36] $1.2 $2 million in the 2023 audited
financial statements for the PSA.
[42:43] There's a footnote in there that says
that the liability was 1.5 million. So I
[42:50] don't we nobody really knows what the
balance is right now. And that's another
[42:55] reason why I think we just need to
proceed with caution and that is my only
[43:02] reason for bringing it to everybody's
attention.
[43:06] Mr. Blackby, can I ask you that you did
you prepare the uh the quick claim uh
[43:12] information for the city of Kingsland as
well to take back the Lions Park?
[43:16] » I have not.
>> Okay. Because did they I believe they
[43:20] have they have done that already is uh
they were supposed to have done that.
[43:24] » I don't believe they've done that yet.
>> No,
[43:26] » I don't believe they have.
>> Okay.
[43:29] » You know, one of the things that uh you
know, we we've been talking about this
[43:33] property since January. um uh and not
knowing quite who owned what and there
[43:40] was a lot of debate about did we own the
land underneath the aquatic center?
[43:44] Would did the county own all you know
was there was a lot of back and forth
[43:48] about it. Um you know the fact of the
matter is is that uh you know this
[43:53] property and any property that I would
assume I don't know why it would just
[43:58] have been placed on one piece of
property. Uh, but if the IRS had a lean
[44:03] on on properties
um
[44:08] owned by the PSA, then it would have
been all the properties owned by the PSA
[44:12] assumably. Is that a fair assumption or
would they
[44:15] » I think that's right. The question that
I've that I have is which properties
[44:19] were actually conveyed to PSA because
talking to the PSA attorney, he
[44:23] indicated there were a fair number that
had been intended to be conveyed that
[44:27] never were. Um, I think in particular
there's a park in Woodbine that never
[44:31] got conveyed to PSA, so that was still
owned by Woodbine. And then I'm not sure
[44:35] about some of the county parks either.
>> Okay.
[44:38] » So, would it be accurate that the lean
would be also attached to 1050 W cap
[44:43] drive where the PSA office is and and
Lions Club Park actually owned by the
[44:48] PSA.
>> So, if you look on the public records,
[44:51] » I was Let me finish please. So the um
you know the lean's going to exist
[44:58] whether we own it or or it's back to PSA
owns it and the possibility of the
[45:04] property being seized and sold at
auction or whatever in order to satisfy
[45:09] this
this amount due to the IRS is a
[45:14] possibility either way. Um, and you know
that that was just kind of the reality I
[45:19] thought we were dealing with. And I know
some of the steps that the PSA has been
[45:23] taking with as council member Keane
mentioned that they had filed to have
[45:27] this dismissed in two prior occasions,
but when they had done that, they had
[45:31] not done all of their quarterly filings
and so it was an incomplete record and
[45:36] so they were summarily just uh, you
know, ignored because they had not had a
[45:42] complete tax record yet. Uh so in in
recent months that complete record has
[45:47] now been filed with the IRS and the PSA
is currently
[45:52] uh has done everything that the IRS uh
has asked of them in order to move this
[45:59] process forward. And so as as those are
now being documented as being filed by
[46:04] the IRS, the uh tax firm that the PSA
has hired is going to be, you know,
[46:11] seeking for some dismissal of some of
the fees, interest or uh actually
[46:16] partial fees. We don't know what'll
happen there. But my other contention
[46:20] was is that you know this uh even though
there's no language specifically to it
[46:25] in the uh that I could find or that
we've reviewed yet that indicates that
[46:32] um specific debt of the PSA is would be
shared by everyone as part of the PSA.
[46:41] um you know in all my conversations with
uh leaders from the other cities and and
[46:45] PSA that
uh it is you know clearly understood
[46:49] that this debt is belongs to the PSA and
thus belongs to everyone and um you know
[46:56] in speaking with Mr. black will be today
in the new IG that you know that we
[47:02] enter into. My question really kind of
was does this belong in the IG even
[47:06] because if Woodbine who had voted
previously not to join the new IG
[47:14] uh they would still would not they still
be liable for their share of this debt,
[47:20] you know. Um, and I think we would all
agree on a moral standpoint that yes,
[47:25] they would I mean, they were part and
parcel to this when it occurred, you
[47:29] know, 15 years ago. And uh, under that
um, but as as council member, you know,
[47:36] King pointed out, we,
you know, people are people and people
[47:40] in money. they do things. And so, you
know, I don't think it's a bad idea to
[47:44] to have a written agreement that
specifies
[47:49] uh and everyone I've spoken to would
kind of agrees to this or kind of but
[47:54] does agree to the fact that it is shared
debt. Uh it belongs to all of the m
[47:59] municipalities and county equally or not
equally but based on their proportional
[48:03] share
uh of this debt. And so if we can add
[48:07] that into the new agreement, if Woodbine
does choose to join this initial
[48:12] agreement, if they don't, then I think
we have to have an agreement outside of
[48:16] the IGA that addresses this debt if
we're trying to get something in
[48:20] writing. Um, but
you know, the cities and the counties we
[48:27] have, they were 20 years ago, I don't
know how many of you are here, but there
[48:31] were a lot there used to be a lot of
back and forth. uh there was a lot of
[48:35] negative negivism between the
municipalities and the county and and uh
[48:40] nasty working relationships and things
didn't go well that you know that is
[48:45] much improved in these years and
everyone has good working relationships
[48:49] and you know naive as I may be I I do
trust the relationships of of the other
[48:56] leaders that we have that you know that
we can settle this and so for that
[49:00] reason I didn't ne necessarily
personally think that it
[49:04] necessary to step backwards from the
progress we made into getting this
[49:08] property in our name because that lean
is going to exist whether it's in our
[49:12] name or it's you know uh back at the PSA
and if the IRS wants to seize the land
[49:19] they're going to seize it we're going to
lose it either way if that's what
[49:22] happens uh and you know there's there's
no negotiating tactic or leverage that
[49:30] putting that land back in the PSA and
away from us is going to protect that
[49:35] land uh you know if if we don't have the
buy in from the other partners and so I
[49:42] don't really see the the land as being a
negotiating leveraging tool uh to us
[49:49] coming up with a plan a legal plan that
says we will all share in the liability
[49:58] uh in in a in a legal document because
it's not built into the current IG G.
[50:02] It's not built into the previous IGA and
so we do need some sort of document to
[50:08] that end. I just didn't think that in
the way of moving forward with our
[50:12] recreational plans and the things that
we want to do with the park, maintaining
[50:16] and improving the parks uh that we made
this step. And uh if the county has not
[50:23] signed uh the deed for this and actually
completed the transaction, uh I believe
[50:29] they would be willing to tap the brakes
as you said and hold off on that if we
[50:34] asked them to. No rush necessarily. It
doesn't do anything for them one way or
[50:38] the other. Um but I believe we can move
forward and and uh get the relationship
[50:44] the uh the agreement that we need you
know to put in and uh in legal terms
[50:51] uh how this uh liability will be taken
care of and and that was just kind of my
[50:57] my state. I agree with you 100%, you
know, but I believe in putting it in
[51:02] writing, you know, um I trust them and
everything too, but we probably need to
[51:08] uh change the wording in the IG to
>> 100% agree, but I just I don't see that
[51:15] transferring the land back and forth,
you know, really
[51:19] we can we can continue to go the route
that we're going. You know, it's not
[51:24] going to pay the bill IRS. is still
going to be um a problem. But what I
[51:30] wanted to do was to make sure that the
county and the cities uh have a shared
[51:36] interest in what's going to be paid
back. That's all.
[51:41] » Yes, sir.
Um
[51:47] I'd like to make a motion to not resend
our resolution.
[51:53] So, I don't know if that's Can we do
that in that order or make a motion to
[51:57] add it to the Well,
>> I think the agenda item was framed as
[52:03] it's going to be a motion to resend it.
So, I think you could just take no
[52:07] action if
>> just take no action for now and we could
[52:10] reconvene at a different meeting if
needed on this, but I do think we need
[52:14] to.
>> Well, I guess the proper thing would be
[52:16] to ask if there is a a motion to uh to
resend
[52:23] I'd like to make a motion that we resend
the resolution and quick claim deed for
[52:28] transfer of ownership regarding St.
Mary's Civic Park and Lake St. Mary's
[52:34] Camden County Public Service Authority.
>> Okay. Is there a second?
[52:40] » Vote.
>> Second. Okay. So, is there any other
[52:44] discussion?
>> I'd like to ask Mr. Blackerby if he will
[52:50] advise us on this since he knows a lot
more about this than we do.
[52:56] » Well, one thing that I I totally agree
with is there's there's not a right or
[53:00] wrong answer here. Um there are several
ways it could play out with the lean
[53:06] being in place. I mean hopefully
uh the PSA stays around for a long time
[53:12] and is fully funded and pays off the
lean and that's hopefully what happens
[53:17] and I would assume that's the most
likely outcome. uh if you take take the
[53:22] transfer of the ownership and for
whatever reason the PSA isn't fully
[53:26] funded in the future to pay that lean
off then we're holding the property
[53:31] subject to it to the lean that is and
you could have a situation
[53:36] maybe very unlikely but you could have a
situation where the IRS comes looking to
[53:39] get paid and says we're going to levy on
that property and chooses that one to be
[53:44] the the target of their levy. Uh
on the flip side, if you if you leave it
[53:50] in the ownership of the PSA
and the PSA doesn't have funding to
[53:55] continue paying it, then
you're still not in a good situation
[53:59] because then you've got a PSA board that
you've only got two members on and they
[54:04] could decide, you know what, we don't
have the money to pay the IRS. We're
[54:07] just going to give them the property in
lie of paying it. That's a possibility
[54:10] as well. So there are multiple bad
outcomes and there's hopefully a good
[54:16] outcome that that that's going to happen
which is that the PSA remains funded and
[54:20] pays this off. But it's it's really a
matter of your comfort level I guess um
[54:25] in terms of how to move forward in your
relationship with the other cities and
[54:29] the county. Uh I do think it's
imperative and and this has been said
[54:33] multiple times. We do need to address
this in the intergovernmental agreement
[54:36] going forward. And we need to include a
provision that clearly provides that the
[54:40] the liabilities and the debts of the PSA
are jointly shared in in in accordance
[54:46] with the percentages by which we're
funding the PSA and that that is an
[54:50] obligation that will survive the
intergovernmental agreement because
[54:53] right now we don't have that in place at
all.
[54:55] » Right. And we do not have an inter our
intergovernmental agreement has expired.
[55:00] Is that correct?
>> That is correct. But even even if we add
[55:03] it, it wouldn't speak specifically to
this because even under that
[55:06] intergovernmental agreement, any city or
the county could withdraw upon 90 days
[55:11] notice. And it stated that the funding
obligation ceased upon that 90th day. So
[55:17] that's got to be addressed and and we're
already address we're already trying to
[55:20] to you know hammer out a new
intergovernmental agreement and still
[55:23] trying to figure out how Woodbine will
fit into that if at all. But while we're
[55:29] while we're working on that, I think we
need to address this as well in the new
[55:32] intergovernment.
>> So I would like to change my motion. Let
[55:37] me withdraw the motion that I just made
and change it to
[55:45] um based on the advice that we've had
that we
[55:51] we can vote on resending. But I think
that
[55:55] » Hold on one second. I I just want to say
Miss Ke because we do have a motion on
[55:59] the floor here.
>> We have to vote on it.
[56:01] » Second. Yeah.
>> Okay. I'd like to withdraw my motion.
[56:04] » Second.
>> I'll withdraw my second.
[56:06] » Okay. So, you have to withdraw your
second.
[56:08] » Okay. So, the original motion has been
uh withdrawn and seconded. And do we
[56:13] need to vote on that withdrawal or
>> or is it just withdrawn? Okay.
[56:18] » And the reason I'm doing that is the
risk of not owning the property.
[56:26] and the ultimate need for the IRS to
seize it and us not having control of
[56:35] the park.
But I am uh I think that this was a
[56:41] discussion that we should have had and
the council should have been informed
[56:47] all council members that there was
excuse me in fact a very large lean on
[56:55] the property before we were asked to
vote on whether or not to transfer it.
[57:01] So, I think the discussion has been
fruitful in that respect and I
[57:06] appreciate everybody's thoughts on it.
[57:11] » So, we're back to I don't know if that
was a new motion or if we're just back.
[57:17] » There is no motion.
>> So,
[57:20] » okay. Yeah.
>> So, for lack of a motion and second, the
[57:25] item I fails on no action.
>> There was no motion.
[57:31] That's what I said with the lack of for
the lack of motion.
[57:36] » Okay. Announcement of our calendar. M.
>> Yes, sir. On Wednesday, October the 8th,
[57:43] there is Bobby. Are you still having a
10:00 a.m. or is that the one you moved?
[57:48] You still having it? Okay. There will be
a pre-bid for St. Mary's Road
[57:53] Intersection Improvement Project,
Espanob Boulevard here in Council
[57:56] Chambers. And again, that's 10:00 a.m.
on Wednesday, October the 8th. And DAS
[58:02] on Development Authority of St. Mary's
has moved their meeting to October the
[58:05] 8th at 5:00 p.m. in the Main Street
office. On Thursday, October the 9th in
[58:11] the Main Street office at 9:30, we'll
have the Orange Hall Management
[58:13] Committee meeting. Again, that will be
in Main Street, followed by the 5:00
[58:17] p.m. St. Mary's Inter Coastal Gateway
meeting in Main Street as well. And on
[58:22] Monday, October the 13th at 8:30 a.m. in
Main Street, the Downtown Development
[58:26] Authority meeting. On Tuesday, October
the 14th, there's a 5:30m planning
[58:31] commission meeting. And also, the
planning commission has added a work
[58:34] session on that day. Is it at 4:30,
Jamie? 4:30 work session on that day. On
[58:39] Thursday, October the 16th, tonight,
which will be which has already been
[58:44] sent by our finance director. That will
be the first two of the public hearings
[58:49] on the tax increase regarding the
military. Again, that will be Thursday,
[58:52] October the 16th here in council
chambers at 10:00 a.m. and again at 6:00
[58:57] p.m. On Friday, October the 17th at
9:00, we will have St. Mary's Municipal
[59:03] Court Trials followed by the 11:00 a.m.
ple arraignments. And on Monday, October
[59:08] the 20th, also sent out today by the
finance director, will be a 5:00 PM
[59:14] public hearing on the military followed
by the 6:00 p.m. city council meeting.
[59:19] Thank you, sir. Thank you, Mayor. All
right, council member comments.
[59:26] Um,
I just want to I didn't get a chance to
[59:30] talk to my cousin back there with all
that Steeler gear on, but the Jaguars
[59:37] will be playing tonight at 8:00. So, you
need to go home and put on your teal.
[59:45] Um,
we won't be having another meeting
[59:49] before then. So, uh, you know, our first
Friday has been rebranded to a live
[59:54] after 5. Uh, it's, you know, and it's
not first Friday anymore because it
[1:00:00] might not be on the first Friday, which
is the case this month. So, in an effort
[1:00:03] not to compete against other local
activities, especially Wildcat football,
[1:00:07] uh, they're able to make this event
flexible and move the dates. And it's
[1:00:10] been a great event. They've actually
enhanced it. I think we're on about our
[1:00:14] fifth month, our fifth month, I believe,
or sixth somewhere in there where we've
[1:00:18] had increased vendor activity, music,
live music, bands. It's just a good
[1:00:23] time. There's kids activities. So, uh,
if you haven't made one, please do check
[1:00:27] it out. It'll be October 17th this
month. It'll be the 17th for Live After
[1:00:31] 5 starts at 5:00 p.m.
>> I heard nothing but good things about
[1:00:35] it.
>> Check it out. Come on, baby.
[1:00:37] » I've been there, but I mean, everybody's
talking good about it.
[1:00:42] Anyone else? Yes, I'd like to thank the
city staff
[1:00:48] uh volunteers and the Quanians for the
seafood festival in St. Mary's. It was
[1:00:55] uh very very well received and I know
the rock shrimp was well received and uh
[1:01:03] it was a pleasant treat having rock
shrimp back for the first time in over
[1:01:09] 10 years. Well,
thanks Andler.
[1:01:16] Anyone else?
Okay. Um, and I'll just uh echo uh Mr.
[1:01:24] Rassy's sentiments about the city staff
and uh you know it it and the Quanians.
[1:01:29] It takes uh takes a lot of people to put
on these festivals and a lot of hard
[1:01:33] work that go behind the scenes from from
everyone. And uh even though the day
[1:01:38] started out a little shaky with some
rain, we ended up with a beautiful day
[1:01:41] and uh it was a great festival and I
hope you had time to come down and check
[1:01:45] it out. And if not, uh first Saturday in
October next year, you know, we'll be
[1:01:50] right back here again for that. So, uh
please join us.
[1:01:54] » Mayor Mard.
>> Yes, ma'am.
[1:01:55] » I do apologize. Um the scarecrow stroll,
Angela, did you want us to announce that
[1:01:59] the date of the scarecrow stroll?
Yeah.
[1:02:09] » October 26 from 1 to 5.
>> The microphone's not on. October 26 from
[1:02:15] 1 to 5 is just air.
>> And it's on our Facebook page. They can
[1:02:20] call if they have questions. 8824000.
>> It's on the uh the tourism Facebook page
[1:02:26] and 8824000.
You can call if you have questions.
[1:02:29] visit
stries.com. Thank you, Angel.
[1:02:34] All right, ms. Cler concise
have a u motion to adjurnn. So move
[1:02:41] » second.
>> And all those in favor?
[1:02:43] » I
when have we ever had a meeting? Finish
[1:02:47] this early.
>> I know.
[1:02:49] » Let's go home and eat dinner.
>> Jackpot party.