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Alex, would you like to get a phone and
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» It's working now.
It's working now.

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» All right, let's go. 65.

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Moving on to 6.5.
Discussion [clears throat] and possible

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direction to staff on policy approve
improvements. This item is on the agenda

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at the request of a council member. is
meant to be a recurring topic on the

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agenda and this purpose is so that
council may address changes that uh may

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be needed to internal policies and uh
processes during this time of limited

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>> I I ask that this stay on the agenda but

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I don't have anything for this meeting
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» to put back on for September.
>> Correct.

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» Unless anybody else does.
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» Moving on to 6.6 or I guess nobody else
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discussion and possible direction uh to
staff on capital improvements

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[clears throat] items on the agenda at
the request of council member. This is

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meant to be a recurring topic on the
agenda and it purpose so that council

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may address critical repairs and
construction needs in the town during

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this time of limited staff.
>> I have a question on this topic and

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would again would like to hear
everybody's thought on it. Um, now that

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Parker Road is complete and the mediums
are now still are now open,

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uh, what's anybody's thought on um,
doing uh, treelining the median like

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they did like especially like in Saxi
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78 toward George Bush. Um, any thoughts
on that? Just in general, no real

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actions, just thoughts. I don't know if
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» I think we can.

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» I mean, I know they they restrict
mailboxes because of

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» Yeah.
>> of traffic hazard.

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» Yeah.
>> They did a

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» had a tree. Is it worse than a mailbox?
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Murphy when we had lived there years
ago. They also had grass there and they

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had been wanting to improve it a long
time. It actually looks a lot nicer

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along that Betsy Road area. They have
all the trees now. It used to be all

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just grass for very long, but they put
the budget to improve that. I think it

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looks nice.
>> They also put water and irrigation into

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that, which we'd have to consider.
>> It's probably I don't know how much they

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spent. I'm sure they spent some They add
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considerable
>> cost. We can I mean, we can figure out

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how big the project needs to be, but
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» Absolutely. Certainly be beautiful. I
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think we had to wait for a year a year
year or so to stabilize that that median

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because
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» the soil they put in there is garbage.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. Just waiting for it to sink after
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» but that my thought literally is going
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the last couple of weeks and when I was
seeing the the trees I thought we've got

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Parker Road is really nice.
>> Absolutely. Um now, however, if we'd

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lined it with trees such as going
through sexy,

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then it would
be it would be very nice.

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I just wanted to get anybody's thought
on that, what their what y'all's

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thoughts were on it.
>> I think it's worth pursuing in about a

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year or year or two just just because
letting that foundation, that soil

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stabilize and figure out what's going to
happen with that sod they put in. This

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was also on the agenda as a recurring
item for you to be able to bring up any

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kind of needs that you see or RBL tells
you about that we need to.

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» So, we already have RBL going on some of
the stuff from last meeting, right?

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» So, I could use this as a as a as a gate
a segue to to speak to. There is a road

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that will be coming across u will be
going undergoing repair. um some things

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that AVL has addressed that uh are
higher priority than others.

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Um so you will see those
before or next month.

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» Okay.
>> So we've made progress on the stuff we

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approved.
>> We have seen progress on um check sign

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but we are definitely wheels are in
motion. Yes.

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» But to Mr. to John's point, you know,
this is a good opportunity for outside

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of that or anything that you wanted to
bring out. I didn't mean to step on

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that.
>> Yeah, I'll definitely keep that in mind

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and if anything comes to mind, I'll drop
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» Just real quick though on the medians, I
do want you all to keep in mind it be I

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would love to have something nice there,
too. Don't get me wrong, but that is

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where Tex dot is planning on extending
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potential that anything we do could get
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» That's right.
>> Yeah. But the discussion around that

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with with Tex was well there's a number
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depends on if WY is going to allow
something to happen through their main

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street
>> which the likelihood of that is far

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beyond remote.
>> Um so six lanes going down two lanes one

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in each direction is bizarrely insane to
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» but you got to keep in mind there's not
going to be a bypass around Y lane. Yes.

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May still be six lanes getting to that
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park going to the right. Yeah.
>> Um but even at that um the entire medium

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doesn't have to be populated from edge
to edge. You can still do the trees down

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the middle of it. So that if they widen
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» the other little part of this
engineering aspect is it's two lanes

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right now, but it's really two and a
half lanes. Um, so all they would take

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is approximately somewhere between uh 6
and 10 ft of the median away. So it

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would still be a rather large median
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» some trees would be great.
>> But that I mean that that additional

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land in each direction has to it depends
on a lot of things. Plus it's state cost

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and they have to have some kind of a
compelling reason to spend the tens of

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millions hundreds of millions to do it.
and I just don't think they get the

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benefit out of it. Honest to God,
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a good point. Both are good points.
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bringing me to that topic, now that
Tucker Road is done, we do need to

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re-evaluate our irrigation system here
at Town Hall. They did have to cut some

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of the lines to expand the road. So,
there it's mostly the outer portions

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towards the roads that may not be
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» and they didn't fix it.
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should have
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it's definitely something we need to
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additional zones, coverages anywhere.
And then also, I know there's been

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discussion about potentially putting
some kind of barrier to keep cars from

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coming off.
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come down once, you know, things are all
open up. Uh we and then we can probably

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go out for bid for that. Definitely. So,
the council should consider something

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like that. I was going to I was going to
ask if there was any kind of a a thought

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or a contemplation of a of a barrier in
the curve. Um

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we I'm certainly open to it. I just
don't want it to be looking like we

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walled off the town hall. If there's
some, you know, columns or whatnot that

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are to protect cars from coming through
while it still looks open to the public,

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that would be great.
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» Yeah, I think I think there's I think
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um maintaining the ways you could do it
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that that we could make it certainly
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you know, we're walling it off or any
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» freeway,
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» Exactly.
>> Mr. Mayor, are you still meeting with

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the
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out, so we'll definitely I'll be able to
touch on the sprinkler system as soon as

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» um but I I think the that shouldn't have
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[clears throat]
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» on this one. Was this the one where we
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going to connect with WY about the
easement? Is that a discussion at one

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point? Yes. So, I've uh I do I have had
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with Mayor W.
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» Can you give us an update next time?
>> Yes.

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» Okay. Thank you.
>> This time I was like I don't have enough

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information to be able to give you an
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» When is your I'm sorry. When is your
>> When is the uh your text meeting on

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Tuesdays? It is on Tuesdays.
>> No, Wednesdays.

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» Wednesday.
>> Every Wednesday.

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» Yes.
>> So, we'll have you'll have one this

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week.
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can you um run it by them? I know that
they say that they sweep and I know that

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they say that they they run the sweeper
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They need to run the sweeper down like
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let me just zoom by and say we've swept.
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Tracy, I've talked to Tracy about it
before with text dot, you know.

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» Mhm. and he knows and they'll they'll
swing by with the sweeper. But there is

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there's nails, there's metal, there's um
when the when the when the brush um when

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the uh when the road brush goes through,
it slings off 8 in metal because they're

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brushed. The the brush that's on the uh
road brush is metal brushes and it

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slings off these eight 10-in long metal
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And I know two people that have gotten
already have flats.

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So
I was asked. So I'm asking

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» noted. I will uh bring that up in my
concerns.

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» They're almost through. So you know what
I mean. It's just like hit the curbs,

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drive along the curbs. You know, you
don't have to have to do it two or three

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times. even pull into people's
driveways, you know, pick it up, back

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back out, get, you know, you're almost
through, guys. Now, make it look nice

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or at least start it off nice so we have
it a nice starting place, sir.

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Moving on to uh 6.7
direct discussion and possible direction

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to staff regarding the town secretary
position. Items on the agenda request

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for council members meant to be a
recurring topic on the agenda and its

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purpose is so that council may address
staffing needs in the town during this

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time of limited staff. You
>> you were going to go through resumeumés.

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Yes. Report back to council
uh some potential interviews. Yes. So,

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down to the last three. So, out of the
first 100 applicants, we're down to the

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last three applicants. So, I will be
engaging town staff at that time to uh

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for
additional resources because I need

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additional resources.
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There's only 24 hours in the day.
>> Any issues that you see in your role in

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your role? just so I could use like two
more of myself.

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» The hours are there.
>> Anything else for 67?

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» Anybody else? No. All righty. We're
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Discussing possible action regarding the
drainage and grading study for DFW

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connection points as required by the SUP
approved on 512 2025.

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So this evening, council will consider
for approval a grading and drainage plan

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submitted by Spires Engineering for DFW
Connection Point Church as required by

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the SUV approved on May 12th, 2025. The
study must be approved prior to the

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issuance of the building permits based
on the recommendations of the town

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engineer. As a reminder, the SP requires
the church break ground on the project

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by December 2026.
>> So says, "We have no adverse comments

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and recommend approval. Is there any
reason why we should approve this?

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» It's open for discussion.
>> Our engineers suggest we're moving it.

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» Mr. Larry?
>> No.

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» I don't have any concerns. Pearson.
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the only the only thing I did notice in
this was the um I guess it's a traffic

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study that is the study doesn't show St.
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where it is now. Traffic section 69 68
>> like appendix. Oh, am I wrong?

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» We're on 68. We're drainage and grading.

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» I move to approve the grading and
drainage plan submitted for DFW

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connection point church by Spire's
engineering based on the recommendation

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from the county engineer.
>> I second.

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» All in favor?
>> I.

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» All right. So, on to the I thought we
were talking about Sorry about that. The

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uh Can we let the mayor read it? Thank
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» Discussion and possible action regarding
6.9 the discussion possible action

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regarding the traffic impact analysis
for DFW connection point church as

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required by the SP.
>> All right. Before we make motions, I'd

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like to talk about the traffic alignment
on section C appendix C for the trips

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does not show the alignment for St. Paul
Road the way it is today. So shown

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things doing U-turns 50% which I don't
think are going to be there because the

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alignment for St. road that's not there
cuz one of those exits I believe is

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going to be aligned directly with St.
Paul road I think right

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» yes
>> yeah that is correct so the can I please

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» um so this uh this study and our textile
permit is approved for all the driveways

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proposed uh so they took no comment to
this so we do have um one of our main

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driveways is aligned with St. call road
with the light.

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» Is there going to be a light in your on
your side?

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» On our side? No.
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there's not going to be a light. That's
a huge problem.

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» So, so somebody's going left.
>> There's a right turn only.

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» Yeah. They restricted us to only go
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» For both for both.
>> No. Uh, correct. For both.

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» For both.
>> One of them is a full median opening.

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» So, even though your road lines up to
St. Paul Road, you can't turn left

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coming out of your property.
>> That's correct. That's not, you know,

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that's not going to happen.
>> Well, there's there's a there's a median

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walking um in the
>> Yeah, they've got a little concrete

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thing that's supposed to divert it to
the right triangle.

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» Was was that the solution? That was that
is the only solution because the refusal

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or because the option was for a light to
go there or the recommendation was

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» there was no option for us to get a
light. Uh um if we were to when we

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approached them, it would have been 18
months before we could have gotten a

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light there.
>> Well, they the driveway was already

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existing and they designed uh they
designed the signal and we had um Tracy

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Mo and all the main textile people. Uh
this was the proposed solution by them.

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Um and Jennifer Forester. Well, yeah.
There's a little concrete uh diversion

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that's in the plants that says you can't
go left.

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» That's going to be a mess.

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» Is that something we bring up with
textile as well? Is that this is this is

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really a mess.
>> I I I would

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» It wouldn't be that big a deal. Let me
say this if I if I may. If it wasn't

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that much of a travel road that St. Paul
Road is a very highly traveled road and

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so I can see that being just a mess.
>> Yes, absolutely.

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you you can hold off until I can get
further clarification. I I just I heed

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with caution because they you know again
December 2026 that's the deadline that

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the town imposed on them to break
ground.

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» Are y'all pursuing that uh for for some
a future change?

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» I mean you're on target say that again.
We're hoping to break ground next month.

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» Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering in the
future, are you are you pursuing to have

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a light on your side where you could go
left?

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» Uh right now we haven't thought past
phase one, which I mean keep in mind

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we're 100 people church and so for us uh
>> yeah, I'm not I'm not suggesting we like

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postpone this or anything. I'm just I'm
just curious.

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» So yes, it would be nice, but uh it's
because they did it for the Montasuri

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school down here. Why in the world can
they do it for these guys?

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» Exactly.
Exactly. It doesn't exist.

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» So, you would you would like
to push that. Okay.

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» Driveway was there and they designed the
signal for a three-way intersection

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and we came back and pointed that out to
them. Actually,

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» just make sure the owner of the property
wants to do what we're saying

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they would incur, not anybody else.
>> Yeah. But we were we were under the

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assumption that they were designing
because the driveway was already there.

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Well, the driveway was moved while they
were designing it. And so now textile,

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they we we found out they were putting
the poles up and we said, "Hey, where's

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our light?" And they kind of said,
"Well, it wasn't in the design." And so

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we we basically determined that this
ride out only was they said it was

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acceptable to us or we agreed to it
because we just, you know, we want to

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move forward with our project. However,
we would love if the town supports that,

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we would love
>> Well, yeah. So, no wonder it says so the

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50% U-turns is going to be right. You're
going to have a bunch of trouble doing

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U-turns.
>> So, I mean right now um our engineer

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doesn't have an issue with this and says
uh would endorse approving it. So, um

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you know, that's fine, but I think we
ought to as a town and as a property

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owner push text dot to make that change
for safety reasons. But I don't want to

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penalize the church on not being able to
get their project on because of text. I

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don't Yeah, I don't think there I don't
see a reason why the church should be

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penalized for their property running
there. There's nothing I wouldn't see

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anything in these plans that should
preclude them from beginning and even

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where their driveway in existence is
because the the the stop lightss um that

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would go on to Parker Road or at St.
Paul Road are they can be secondary.

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There is many roads around that are
completely already built and have stop

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lights put up after the fact. And so
I don't know if we're saying the same

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thing, but
>> yeah. So I mean I'd like to move to

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approve the traffic impact analysis
submit for DFW connect church plus

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engineering based on recommendations
from engineer.

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» Do I have a second motion? I'll second
as long as we do engage with text dot on

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this being an issue
>> and then I would suggest that we as a

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separate issue address that with text
dot in partnership with the property

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owner
pastor just I'll reach out to you. Okay.

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» So who was my second because I second
>> okay all in favor?

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» Any oppose?

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Motion passes.

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» Moving on to executive session. Texas
Government Code have [clears throat]

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five.
>> You don't have to go to it. That's

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that's just
there in case y'all needed it.

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» Is there any reason why anybody would
like to go to executive session?

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» Okay. I'm going to move on to uh item
number eight. Discussion of about 8.1.

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discussion about uh future meeting
agenda items. Anybody have any topics?

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Now,
>> the one I sent last month that did get

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added.
>> Yes, sir. That one is going to be uh

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the 14

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sorry adding the item about the
>> newspapers and the ordinance.

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» Yes. Yes. The ordinance the ordinance
for for uh uh newspapers for for uh what

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would you call it?
>> For the ordinance for to restrict the

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newspapers
the one we refer to PNZ.

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» Oh, the unsolicited
>> unsolicited material. That's the word I

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was looking for.
>> You want that back on the agenda?

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» We have to make the motion to send it.
>> Yeah.

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» And then
>> I don't think we did. I think David I

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can review that meeting but Mr. Overcast
was here and I'm pretty sure he said

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that y'all did not have to make a motion
to do that. to do what?

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» To send it to PNZ.
>> I can review the recording.

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» Okay.
>> I'm pretty sure that's why we did it

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that way. He was here.
>> If it's if it doesn't require, we'll

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push it on.
>> Amen.

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» Okay.
>> Sorry, Mr. Dre.

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» Uh yeah. So, we had a um a a a
citizen I think it was last meeting that

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uh asked why we just listen to public
comments and don't talk about it. And I

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think it would be good as mayor in your
comments if you would let them know that

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we are unable to talk about things that
are not agenda items

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just as a reminder because they did not
know that and they were

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assuming that we're just ignoring their
comments and just not even paying

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attention because we wouldn't comment
back or discuss it. So we'll put that

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would bring some clarity to public
comments and what we can and can't do as

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a council.

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I like that.

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» Okay. Thought it was already in there.
Okay. Cool.

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All righty. Mr. Pearson.

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» No.

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» All right. What are we doing right now?
>> Um, future items.

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» Future items. Any future
>> items? Yeah. Okay.

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» Okay.
>> All righty. At this time, we're going to

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move on to 8.2 regular council meeting.
Do I have a motion for adjournment?

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» A motion that we adjourn the regular
meeting.

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» I second.
>> All in favor?

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» I

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time is 8:20.

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All right. Thank you.

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All righty. Let's see. The time is now
8:20. Going to go ahead and do a roll

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call for the board of adjustments
meeting. Mr. Nail

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» present.
>> Mr. Dryen here.

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» Greg
>> here.

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» Mrs. Buley
>> here.

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» Mr. Simmons here. All right, we have a
quum.

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Would you like to do the pledge of
allegiance again or we're just going to

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say recount it all and move on to number
three, the announcements. Town of St.

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Paul is currently seeking town secretary
please visit St. Paul text.

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» Yeah.
>> Sorry.

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» You can put anything in front of you.
[laughter]

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Did I just pose the wrong one?
>> Is that

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okay?
>> 2.1 consideration and approval of the

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minutes from the BOA meeting held on
July 13th, 2026.

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» Like how I did that.
>> I'm helping you out there, bro.

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» That was a
>> I move to approve the minutes of the

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board of adjustments meeting held on
July 13, 2026.

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» I second.
>> All in favor? I

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» except with the members absent. Robert
Simmons

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» he got a quick I says me was I there I
says member's absent I think I was not

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there but I didn't say I'm absent
>> no you were there remember I called you

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and we had this conversation
>> because I was confused because the way I

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had written it down is I written down
you were absent I was like no she was

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there
>> oh you remember

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» so we're talking about board of
adjustments right I was absent for that

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» oh you were not abive session seconded
yes I was not absent for the executive

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session but I was absent for the motion
was

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» made and second so for the minute I
think he'd add my number my name because

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I was present I don't I was
>> okay but I wasn't

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» with that condition all in favor
>> I

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oppose

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a second
>> all right

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moving on so so [clears throat] 3.1
there was just one

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sign that was still left off.
>> Correct.

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» We technically have to have to open the
public hearing.

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» Yeah. Got to open it up. Public hearing
regarding varian request for public car

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wash that was approved on 511 2026
meeting but an admin error was made in

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the number of signs needing an approval.
This hearing is to consider allowing one

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additional sign to the property. Wish to
speak.

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» I'll make a I'll make a motion that we
uh

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» not yet.
>> Hold on. comments.

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» Any comments?
>> Okay.

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» All right. Public comments. Public
hearing is now closed.

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» Go ahead and do a uh
>> Well,

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I got a second one. So, there's also the
3.2 is cons conduct a public hearing on

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a request for variance submitted by the
town of the Coventry Reserve seeking

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relief.
>> Article 3.05004

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for permanent signs which states
temporary signs are allowable for 120

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days per year. Only one sign per
building is allowed to be mounted

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permanently.
>> Public comments.

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I'm Daryl Blakey. I represent puppetry.
Um the reason that we're asking for

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bearance on that is because with the
road construction stuff, we've not been

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able to
this is on the property of two at 2010

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which is power to move. It's a sister
organization to Coventry

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and they serve the public I mean
community that have spinal injuries and

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wheelchairs
and the road is not sufficient into that

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property or drive. We intend to rebuild
that. So we really don't have a location

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to build the sign the permanent sign at
this time until we get that road

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rebuilt. They have school buses. They
serve the WY school district. And then

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they have uh people that are in chairs
that come in with adaptive driving

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equipment on the cars. So we we've got
to rebuild the road for them to

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accommodate them adequately. So that's
really the hold up. Otherwise, we would

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already be going for permit for the
permanent sign.

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» When do you think it'll be able to do
the driveway? Uh we're working on

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funding for it, but uh you know probably
four, five, six months and and we're

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going to have to get a permit from text
dot because the entrance to the drive

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was was not u we tried to talk to them
about widening that at the time, but

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they they wouldn't change that or they
weren't able to do that. But we're going

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to need to widen the entrance. only got
a 9 ft wide apron coming into the

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property. So, and there's a big drainage
that goes across there and goes under.

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So, doing the drive is going to be quite
expensive.

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Made the water coming under Parker Road
and coming across there and goes under

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that driveway.
So the request is for

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it's just for an extension of the
temporary signs

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» that and a waving of the fees simply
because it's a nonprofit and they they

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don't have
>> I guess we that's 42 I guess we should

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discuss at this point.
>> Yeah. Yeah.

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» All right. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Sorry. I've got to close the

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public hearing before discuss. Okay.
>> Thank you.

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this time a motion to close the public
hearing. Seems like we have in the past.

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» I just I have to close. Okay. So, at
this time I'm if there's no other

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comments I would make, you know, close
the public hearing. We're going to move

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on to uh regular agenda 4.1 discussion
possible action regarding correction to

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a variance approval for club car wash
from May 11, 2026 meeting from 13 to 14.

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Signs needed.
I'll make a motion that we um

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allow for the variance for the 13 to 14
signs.

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» Okay. Do I just
That's it.

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» Yeah. Yeah.
>> This is just administrative. We just

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missed that one.
>> Yes.

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» Also, thank you.
>> All in favor?

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» Yeah, we went over all those songs and
where they were placing them.

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» I remember that. I just didn't
understand why we were singing them.

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confused
>> 4.2

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and here I sorry does anybody else have
something question

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discussion possible action regarding a
variance for the for the cover reserve

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seeking relief from article 3.05004
05004 permit sign which states temporary

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signs are allowable from 110 days per
year. So and only one sign per building

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is allowed to be mounted permanently.
This request regarding signs at the

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location 2010 Parker Road aka power to
move. They're also seeking relief from

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the required application fees that
accompany the sign and variance

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applications.
>> This is for a business right

422
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:17,279
but is the res but is that land a
business or residence?

423
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:22,159
» Are you talking commercial land?
It's in it's a nonprofit.

424
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:28,320
» So So
I think believe it is zone type F.

425
00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:31,840
Well, no, because that would be
churches.

426
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,200
» I'm not entirely sure.
>> I mean, I know the church I know

427
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,919
Coventry is zoned as a church.
>> Do you happen to know what how how your

428
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,960
property is zoned?
>> Actually, the cover is zoned as a

429
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,120
school.
>> Okay.

430
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,760
» But the point being is I understand the
Covent tree makes sense. I'm not sure

431
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:51,120
about this property. I think this
property is supposed to be a residence.

432
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:56,399
» Well, that property is a owned by
Coventry. We purchased that property.

433
00:30:54,799 --> 00:31:00,000
» I'm not asking who owns it. I'm saying
that it's not it's not zoned to be a

434
00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:05,200
business.
>> I can provide some clarity if you

435
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,720
» please.
>> So, this is where the map is going to

436
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,559
come in handy. Okay.
>> I'm not going to get into it too much,

437
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:15,840
but power to move is one of those is it
or isn't it?

438
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,720
» Okay. in the town.
>> Okay.

439
00:31:16,399 --> 00:31:23,039
» And so it has been treated as ETJ for a
number of years. And so that's why there

440
00:31:21,279 --> 00:31:26,000
is a
>> I guess you could call it it's not

441
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,559
really a business like he said it's a
not for profit but it's not being used

442
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:33,600
as a residence.
>> Is is the Coventry facility the building

443
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:38,559
itself in the city of St. Paul in the
town of St. Paul or is it in the county?

444
00:31:35,679 --> 00:31:44,799
» The Coventry there's two
>> there's two structures on that property.

445
00:31:40,559 --> 00:31:50,640
One is an 80 an 80 by 40 that's been
turned into a gym for adaptive fitness

446
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:53,679
for this these uh participants.
>> Mhm.

447
00:31:51,120 --> 00:32:01,039
» The other is was a residential house
that's being used for respit for

448
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:04,799
Coventry weekends for Coventry uh
participants that go to the Coventry

449
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,919
day.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, like I've talked about

450
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:13,120
before, when we sit before you as the
zoning and uh what is it? The view board

451
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:17,519
of adjust board of adjustments. The
zoning board of adjustments. We're not

452
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,640
sitting as a town council. We're sitting
as a quasi judicious body that's

453
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:24,320
supposed to be looking into whether or
not we're supposed to allow for this

454
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:28,080
variance to be granted. And so, the
first thing that we need to do, I think,

455
00:32:25,919 --> 00:32:32,640
as a body is figure out what is this
property zoned as. And it sounds like

456
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:37,200
it's in limbo
at best. It's really Yeah, it it's

457
00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:40,200
really
um

458
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,720
there's some concerns with where the
property lines are,

459
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:47,760
» right?
>> But I do want you all to keep in mind

460
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:50,559
this is for signage, which is something
we can control also in the ETJ,

461
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,760
» right?
>> And and the sign is not lit. Is that

462
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:58,960
correct? The temporary sign is not lit.
>> Not lit.

463
00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:03,440
» Um and having a sign would be public
safety for people to know what's there

464
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,480
or if that's the driveway.
So, let me tell you what exactly they're

465
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:11,279
asking for. So, they want to keep their
temporary sign out for a period of

466
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,799
longer than 120 days. So, we would
ideally

467
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,880
» the sign that's there now.
>> The sign that's there now.

468
00:33:14,159 --> 00:33:22,159
» They also want a second building mounted
sign on the power to move building.

469
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:25,679
There is a currently a sign on the front
and a sign on the side and they would

470
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:30,480
they are seeking permission to keep that
second sign up.

471
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:35,600
So, there's those are multiple parts.
are also seeking relief from all of the

472
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:40,480
application fees associated with said
sign permits and for their variance

473
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,159
application. They did pay the fee for
the application and they are seeking

474
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:48,000
relief which would require us to
reimburse the fee.

475
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:51,600
» And as I recall the the sign ordinance
does not allow for variance for

476
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:56,080
temporary assignment for temporary
assignment dates.

477
00:33:54,159 --> 00:34:00,559
It's it's and it's also not like a
variance for zoning or for adding on a

478
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:04,640
house. It's not about hard partnership.
It's about making sure we're doing the

479
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:08,760
what that the ordinance allows for. I
don't believe it even allows for

480
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,760
variance.

481
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:22,280
» What page?
>> The very last page.

482
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,280
» The very last page.

483
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:31,639
» So the entire sign ordinance is in here.
>> Yes. So I think I see

484
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:31,639
regulations

485
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:42,639
to check the sign.
There we go. Page 307, I think.

486
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:46,320
» What was that, Mr. Dragon?
>> It's very last page. Very last page.

487
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:50,000
3.05.
>> I don't see anything in here that says

488
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:54,000
that it can't be for a temporary sign.
>> Well, I don't think that's the entire

489
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:59,520
sign ordinance. So, I'm trying to go to
the I believe the sign ordinance

490
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:03,760
cuz I was one of the authors.
>> I don't think it allows for variance for

491
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:07,200
this.
>> So, you believe this is the entire sign

492
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:12,480
ordinance in the back here?
>> Yes, I printed it directly from code,

493
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:17,320
» but I have reviewed it versus the phys
physical copy of the ordinance and they

494
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,320
are the same.

495
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,920
uh IDC hardship language isn't it
3.05.01A

496
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:35,280
so we have the authority to grant
variances

497
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:38,800
from the provisions of article respect
to on premise lines only when said court

498
00:35:37,359 --> 00:35:41,839
has made a specific finding from the
evidence presented that compliance with

499
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:46,280
provisions of the article result in a
substantial financial hardship super

500
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,280
equity

501
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:03,280
So this was a couple months ago. We were
going to look at this and I had not

502
00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:07,040
then I do remember there being something
about not allowing for variances on

503
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,160
temporary signs.
>> So it does say a new event show such a

504
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:13,040
very permitted variance including
committing a sign which is an unlawful

505
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:18,079
sign under section.
>> The the previous one was a request for a

506
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:22,960
lit temporary sign.
>> Okay. And that's that was the difference

507
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:28,000
is that they wanted the big arrow with
all the lights and the flashing.

508
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:30,640
» That that was the difference. That was
>> although it doesn't

509
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,839
» I think this is a conforming sign a
conforming temporary sign versus what

510
00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:36,480
was requested before was a
non-conforming temporary sign.

511
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,200
» It doesn't say nor permitting a
commercial sign and a residential zone

512
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:45,640
other than it's permitted by this
article. So there is an aspect of what

513
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,640
is it zoned as

514
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,680
» well? Oh yeah, there's I think there's
question about whether the So here's the

515
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,960
here's the thing. The signs are going to
go in the town of St. Paul,

516
00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,680
» right?
>> Proper the buildings themselves

517
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,839
under
>> not in the

518
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:10,160
» or fall outside of Yeah. Paul.
>> So the building that falls outside of

519
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,520
St. Paul, is that the building that
you're requesting the sign variance for?

520
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:19,040
» Correct.
>> Okay. If if if the building falls

521
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,680
outside of the town of St. Paul, then
this shouldn't even I don't know if we

522
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,920
should even be
>> No, we can't

523
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,320
even
>> They take away everything else. Greg,

524
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,079
don't take that away, too.
>> I didn't want to give it away. I mean,

525
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:34,079
that is true.
>> I just wanted to throw it out there. Is

526
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:37,119
it even our call to restrict and it's
not like it's a power thing. It's just

527
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,480
that again, this is planning. This is
planning for the future, you know, for

528
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,480
situations whether whether or not the
property is in the ATK. We can't control

529
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,160
the signs of it.
>> Okay.

530
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,400
» All right.
>> So, both both the temporary sign and the

531
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:54,880
permanent building mounted sign both
conform to the ordinances. It's just

532
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:58,720
getting permission to have because we
only allow one building mounted sign.

533
00:37:56,720 --> 00:38:01,920
So, they need permission for two and
then they would need and then I don't

534
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:05,040
know if y'all want to set a timeline for
the temporary sign

535
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,640
» and and the fees, right? So the fees
would they wouldn't have had to have the

536
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:12,560
additional fees if it wasn't because we
had to

537
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,280
» we delayed them. The fees aren't the big
deal.

538
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:18,079
» Yeah.
>> Isn't there a monthly fee or something?

539
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:22,640
» Yes. Temporary signs are $75 a month for
the permit. So requesting that as well.

540
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:28,880
Yes.
>> Is and is the claim because this is a

541
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:32,480
hardship due to the fact that text dot
didn't widen their drive approach. So

542
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,200
they're having to wide they're they're
widening the driveway but they're having

543
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:39,040
to create funding because they're a
nonprofit and this is all sort of

544
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:42,640
stemming that really
>> before we wouldn't have had this issue

545
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:44,800
except for the fact that text did a 9
foot driveway as opposed to a commercial

546
00:38:44,240 --> 00:38:48,320
driveway.
>> I think those are two separate things

547
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:51,200
group this temporary sign request is not
because of anything tech.

548
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:54,079
» I thought I thought that that was the
reason they were

549
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,520
» they're going to be requesting a
permanent sign when tech stop finishes

550
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,640
but that's a whole other issue. This is
a temporary sign

551
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,359
» that they have currently that they're
wanting to extend. Has nothing to do

552
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:08,400
with text.
>> Oh, I I I misunderstood. I'm sorry. I I

553
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,040
thought that the temporary sign was only
going to be temporary because they

554
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,200
didn't want to put in a permit because
of the

555
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:17,200
» when they when they fixed their driveway
issue. He said they're going to request

556
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,359
a permanent sign, which will be a second
sign that that's going to that's going

557
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,240
to come back to us.
>> I'll come back.

558
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:25,680
» Right now, it's just a temporary sign
that they're wanting to extend.

559
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:30,240
» But you make sure nothing. you make
motions, right, with those contingencies

560
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:34,320
that it gets re-reviewed. You can do
that.

561
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:40,160
» Here's my other question is if you know
where your driveway is and you know what

562
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,520
the widening is going to be for it.
>> What is the preclusion of going ahead

563
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:47,520
and putting up a permanent sign?
>> I think they're going to work.

564
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:51,119
» There is a permanent sign.
>> So, the Parker Road is finished. He's

565
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:55,200
talking about Sir, are you going you're
going to be working on the road that you

566
00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:00,880
have on your property, right? That is
correct. But the road rolls off pretty

567
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:03,680
steeply on both sides. So it's not like
>> Let me ask you this. Is there any

568
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:06,400
further construction happening on Parker
Road for you?

569
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,599
» Uh no.
>> Okay. Thank you.

570
00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:12,320
» And there already is a permanent sign.
This is going to be a second permanent

571
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,440
sign which they'll have to get approval
for.

572
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:19,119
» So it's coming back to us.
>> No.

573
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:23,200
» No. So that that will I mean I guess it
depends on what the kind of sign they

574
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:26,240
apply for ultimately. that a sign that's
going to be at the front drive of the

575
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,960
property is going to be like a monument
style sign which they can have in

576
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:35,920
addition to a building mounted sign.
>> There is sign for Coventry there.

577
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:39,119
» That's for Coventry. This is for power.
>> Are they going to be one or are they

578
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:44,920
going to be two separate?
>> Coventry is on.

579
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,920
» It is two. It is two separate propert.

580
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:52,079
» I'm sorry guys. I know it's confusing.
>> It is. It is. So, yes. So,

581
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:56,880
» is the sign house there? It's not
>> is this sign is this variance requesting

582
00:40:54,720 --> 00:41:02,880
that sign be a monument sign. So it'll
be one sign with two distinct business

583
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:09,040
names on it or is are we talking about
two separate signs all together?

584
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:13,359
» The permanent sign will will be one sign
with one name on it

585
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,200
» just for
power. Sir power move is going to be

586
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,400
operated separate from Coventry.
understand it's owned by it, but you're

587
00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:23,680
going to work those two properties
separately.

588
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,880
» It's actually a per a separate uh
nonprofit, but they lease that building

589
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,119
from Coventry,
>> right? But you're going to operate those

590
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:34,560
two different uh buildings, if you will,
or two different properties

591
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,359
» kind of separate from each other. Oh,
yeah.

592
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:40,560
» Yeah. Yes.
>> So, the two the sign that you're talking

593
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:43,839
about is not going [cough] to be with or
in the same location as the Coventry

594
00:41:42,319 --> 00:41:45,680
sign. It's going to be on the property
that's further to the south.

595
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,599
» To the north.
>> North. Okay. Ah, okay. So, it's that

596
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,000
it's a story.
>> Mhm.

597
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,400
» Okay. So, it's a separate driveway all
together.

598
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,480
» I tried to put in a visual, but I guess
it doesn't.

599
00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:58,319
» So, it's a separate driveway, separate
sign. It's all separate.

600
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:01,920
» All separate.
>> And it used to be a So, I believe it

601
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:05,119
used to be a residence, right?
>> Yes.

602
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:09,680
» Excellent. So, all the signs are for
power to move. So, they want two

603
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:13,680
building mounted signs, eventually one
permanent monument sign,

604
00:42:11,839 --> 00:42:20,000
» but for now it's a temporary sign.
>> Okay. So the question I believe Mr.

605
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:24,640
Pearson just asked is is there a reason
we can't put the monument sign up now?

606
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,319
» Are you asking me?
>> Yes, sir.

607
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,760
» The reason?
>> Yeah. Is there a reason we can't put the

608
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:32,240
monument sign up now? The permanence on
it?

609
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,240
» It's because the drive is not
sufficient. It's going to the drive is

610
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,960
going to have to be widened and the
embankment enough where we can put the

611
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:41,359
permanent signs.
>> So the embankment work is the issue.

612
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,400
» That's correct.
>> That's what he let in with. I think it

613
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,240
was a little confusing because we we we
must have felt like

614
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:49,920
» property is mixed up.
>> Oh yeah, the property's mixed up. And I

615
00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:52,640
guess there was some mix up about
>> needing to complete Parker Road. It's

616
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:56,480
not a completion of Parker Road. It's a
completion of your personal or not

617
00:42:54,079 --> 00:43:00,200
personal your your entity's driveway
into your property.

618
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:11,040
I would say the second building sign
mounted is not would not be we wouldn't

619
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:14,079
particularly need that after we get the
monument sign.

620
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,680
» So that's a temporary as well.
>> Yes.

621
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:23,200
» And and why do you so there's there's
not a road over there. Why do you need a

622
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:27,599
second sign on the building?
Well, there's two properties that use

623
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:31,440
that driveway and so it needs to be on
the front of the building so the people

624
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,079
coming in will know where they're
supposed to go.

625
00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:39,040
» And so why does there need to be one on
the other side of the building? If you

626
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,160
have one on the front, why do you need
one on the other side? Well, we had

627
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:49,040
problems when during the construction of
the of the highway [clears throat] was

628
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:53,680
people not being able to see or know how
to get in there because there were the

629
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:58,880
the drive is so narrow that they would
miss it.

630
00:43:56,079 --> 00:44:04,520
So, they put a sign on the north side of
the building to help accommodate

631
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,520
visibility

632
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,440
cuz when I drive by there, I can only
see the part of the building that's

633
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:14,240
facing the west. Right.
If you're driving on, if I'm thinking of

634
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:19,040
the right building up in the
>> If you're going if you're going north on

635
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:24,160
on Parker, when you come up on 2010, you
look, you can see the sign on this north

636
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,480
side of the building.
>> The north side of the building is not

637
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:29,119
facing Parker.
>> No.

638
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:31,839
» So, how can you see that sign? I mean,
I've driven by many, many times. I've

639
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:38,000
looked at it being curious what's going
on there because of businesses popping

640
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:40,960
up without a permit. Um, and I believe
I'm looking at the west side of the

641
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:44,000
building when I drive by Parker going
north. In fact, I would think I would

642
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,560
have to be looking at the west side of
the building. I don't see how there's

643
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,720
any possibility of seeing the north
side.

644
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,680
» The north side's very visible on the
road.

645
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:54,079
» Okay.
>> Now,

646
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:59,440
there's a lot of trees been moved and
stuff there. Just be straight. This is

647
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:02,079
north, right? That's south. And so,
>> when you're driving south, you can see

648
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:06,240
it.
>> Okay.

649
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:09,760
Right.
Yeah. I'm not sure I see why you need to

650
00:45:07,839 --> 00:45:12,720
have two signs on the building, but
Okay. And

651
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:17,599
» is there
I think for safety uh and as long as

652
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:20,800
it's conforming, it's because before
we've had to deny non-conforming with

653
00:45:19,359 --> 00:45:22,960
the lighting and stuff on temporary
stuff.

654
00:45:21,599 --> 00:45:26,000
» Are they temporary? So, they are
temporary or which one's not? So, I

655
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,599
guess that's what we really need the
firm clarity is is that second sign

656
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,280
going to come off the building.
>> That's what I just heard as well. I just

657
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:36,960
heard that second sign is not a
permanent sign. It's also a temporary

658
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:41,119
sign.
>> And so its temporary status would also

659
00:45:39,359 --> 00:45:46,160
fall in line with the temporary status
of the street signs. So when the

660
00:45:43,839 --> 00:45:52,000
permanent sign at the street goes up,
then the second sign on the building

661
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,440
would be all disengaged. It would come
down along with the temporary sign at

662
00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:01,760
the road.
>> That is for the power to move property.

663
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:05,760
» That is right. So Coventry, the only
question with that is is leave the

664
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:11,040
temporary sign in place for an
additional 120 days until a month.

665
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:14,560
» Has nothing to do with co
It's just power to move. [clears throat]

666
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:17,599
» It's all all these signs are for power
to move.

667
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,760
» All right. Okay. I apologize. I thought
that one was in play, too.

668
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,520
» No. No.
>> Okay. All right.

669
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,960
» No, that's just the entity that owns
power to move. The owning entity is the

670
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Coventry.
>> Okay.

671
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:33,680
» For for for traffic and for uh for
stuff. I mean, I would I would support

672
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,359
extending it.
>> Oh, yeah. I'll make the motion

673
00:46:35,359 --> 00:46:42,160
» with no fees.
>> No fees. Wave the fees.

674
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:44,160
» We didn't talk about the fees, though.
So, it's

675
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,680
» Well, we can put it.
>> So, it's 75 a month.

676
00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:53,040
» We We can make it for six months.
>> So, they've already paid me $75 once and

677
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:55,520
150 once for the variance application.
So,

678
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:00,400
That's
>> any more specific clarification if we

679
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:03,839
can work on that as well.
>> So,

680
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:08,640
» can I ask if it's Do we typically not I
think someone said nonprofit do we

681
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:11,520
typically not wave fees or is that like
our standard or is the council's

682
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,599
discretion? I feel like it should be a
standard.

683
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:17,680
» Yeah, we're not the council. So, that's
part of the problem with this is that we

684
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:20,319
really I don't I don't know if the board
of adjustment can actually wave fees. I

685
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,319
don't know that we even have that
ability.

686
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,160
Yeah,
>> I think the council does, but we are not

687
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,880
the council.
>> The council would have the governing

688
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:33,520
authority over over policy change
>> or tempor specific policy.

689
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:39,200
» So, we could approve the sign, not
approve the fee waiver and uh push that

690
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:44,720
to council to the to the
>> Okay. Okay. And yeah, in the motion,

691
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:47,440
just make sure that you iterate that in
the motion.

692
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,440
» All right. And I'll make a motion.
>> Hold on. Sorry. I'm sorry. I mean,

693
00:47:49,839 --> 00:47:55,599
you're saying 5 to 6 months. How
confident are you on that number? 5 to 6

694
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:59,920
months for this
>> be done.

695
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:06,480
» The road the the drive reconstruction is
going to be 50 grand. So, we're going to

696
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:09,599
have to re get the funds together to get
that done.

697
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:15,200
» Are you going to be great regrading the
area and so regrading and bringing in

698
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:19,040
dirt? Are you changing? Is that
currently an easement with drainage

699
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:22,400
through it? Yes.
>> Okay. That's going to change things.

700
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:28,480
» That's going to change things.
>> Okay. So, these are things that that

701
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:32,839
I just we're going to have to be fully
transparent. I understand.

702
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:43,760
So, in in regards to this,
um

703
00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:51,280
I would make a motion that we approve
the adjustment to

704
00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:55,760
two additional temporary signs of 120
days,

705
00:48:52,880 --> 00:49:00,240
both of which
should be scheduled to come down at the

706
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:05,680
end of 120 days
pending a new sign or the permanent sign

707
00:49:03,359 --> 00:49:05,680
is built.

708
00:49:06,319 --> 00:49:16,880
And secondly, uh that we
u

709
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:21,119
schedule for the council to uh consider
adjustments to the fees for temporary

710
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:25,680
signs.
>> And the only thing I I mean this is the

711
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:29,280
part that I was trying to find is in the
variances. It says we cannot grant

712
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:32,400
variances for commercial signs and
residential zone. And that's part the

713
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:36,079
part that's in limbo. We don't know.
Yeah. Can we have it be pending? We

714
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:38,079
confirm that. That's
>> We will not be able to.

715
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,160
» No, we can't.
>> There's not going to be We're not going

716
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:44,000
to be able to confirm that.
>> Yeah. That That is That is another

717
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:48,400
project that is in process that is not
anywhere near uh where we're going to be

718
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:51,200
able to
make that call yet.

719
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:53,599
» Yeah. I I
>> we've been going under the premise that

720
00:49:52,559 --> 00:49:57,200
it's not residential.
>> And that's I'm going under the premise

721
00:49:55,359 --> 00:50:01,520
that this is a commercial venture. It's
operating as a nonprofit commercial

722
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:05,200
business.
So, it's okay for your neighbor to start

723
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,480
a nonprofit put signs up.
>> No, no, I'm not advocating it. It's just

724
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,359
an operating
>> currently an operating

725
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,280
» not putting signs up. We're extending
signs that are already that have already

726
00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:19,200
been approved.
>> It's okay for us to do that. I don't

727
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:23,280
agree with that. I think if my neighbor
has a 16ft sign that they have put up at

728
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:27,520
their house, it's a residence, they
shouldn't be allowed to leave it up.

729
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:32,559
» So, why is it that we can't figure out
the zoning? Why is that? That's a whole

730
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:36,480
map. No mapping issues.
>> There's mapping discrepancy with the

731
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:39,599
third with with a third party.
>> How long is that? Is that long tail on

732
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:42,559
that?
>> We do not have an ETA.

733
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:49,280
» It's a bigger project,
>> but the council has uh approved

734
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:57,640
legal counsel
to for an RFQ to engage with a third

735
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,640
party to do to address our maps.

736
00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:08,480
So is that
motion that was motion?

737
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:14,079
» So So there was a motion made with
>> Yeah, the motion's made. So you know

738
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:18,240
» the motion that's there is to approve
two temporary signs of 120 days

739
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,680
» to extend
>> to extend

740
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:24,400
» extend
>> the two temporary signs to 120 days. And

741
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:27,200
after 120 days, they got to come down
with the new permanent signs being

742
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:32,720
built.
>> Corrected.

743
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:37,440
» We start that counting tomorrow.
>> And uh that would commence as of um what

744
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:42,440
was today's date?
>> 24th.

745
00:51:38,319 --> 00:51:42,440
» Commence as of August 25th.

746
00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:49,200
» I'll second it.
>> All in favor?

747
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,000
I'm having a little hard time.

748
00:51:55,520 --> 00:52:01,839
» Nay,
>> I have a hard time.

749
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:05,359
» There's not a tie. Once you have two,
that's it. It's done. They have to have

750
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:09,359
a super majority.
>> Even with the mayor,

751
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,920
» he's not the mayor, but even with super
majority, which would be

752
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:14,079
» I don't know if I have a vote. So, you
don't have any authority here?

753
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:17,280
» I don't think I have.
>> You do. You can move. I do.

754
00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:19,520
» Yeah, you do. But it has to once you
have two nays, it's over.

755
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:23,760
» Okay.
>> Because it's not super.

756
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:26,640
» Okay. Well, then it will be denied.
>> Motion denied.

757
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,400
» Well, no, it's not denied. You have to
actively deny it.

758
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,040
» Okay.
>> That's one of the things we've learned

759
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,680
with with over the years of doing this
is you have to have an active motion

760
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:37,920
that has to pass.
>> Okay. Oh, that's correct. Okay. I

761
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:41,119
understand what you're saying. Okay. So,
that motion did not pass.

762
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,960
» Okay.
>> Do I have any other motions?

763
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,920
I
>> if if we don't do anything

764
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:53,359
» then it's denied
>> then it's automatically then the then

765
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:57,319
the current sign permit expires and the
signs come down.

766
00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,319
» All right.

767
00:52:58,240 --> 00:53:02,960
» I don't know that we have enough for I
can I'll motion that we deny I can

768
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:07,640
motion that we deny the variance
request.

769
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:07,640
» Okay. Do I have a second

770
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,160
to get over?

771
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:18,000
Okay. Okay.
>> And the reason why is not because of

772
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,000
safety. I think it I agree with the
safety issue having sign. I just don't

773
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:27,760
know if we can actually prove it. But
the language here is my concern of the

774
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:32,880
» So
yes, may I suggest a little bit more

775
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,079
research?
>> So at this point it's a mpoint.

776
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:38,400
» Right. So then
>> it seems like I'm trying to remember

777
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:42,160
this is why it's nice to have council
here with you. It seems like it seems

778
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,880
like you have to supermajority to be
four. You don't have to have a

779
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:48,800
supermajority to deny. That's what I
remember. So you can have just a

780
00:53:46,720 --> 00:53:55,599
plurality to deny it, but you have to
have a supermajority to to approve it,

781
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:58,880
» which four out of six is not super.
>> I forget the percentage that's required.

782
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,079
» 75%
>> 75% of the board has to hear an item to

783
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:07,520
vote on it, but I don't know if that's
>> it's the same for the approval. And if

784
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,319
and if the board is if any of the
members are absent, they count as a nay.

785
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:17,200
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. So four out of six won't do it.

786
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:20,400
» So at this point then
>> so

787
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,119
did we have enough votes to deny? We
didn't we didn't have like a plurality

788
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,119
because it doesn't have to be a super
majority to deny.

789
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,839
» We we didn't have
>> we don't need it.

790
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:30,240
» But I like the idea of maybe we could
research this a little bit more.

791
00:54:29,119 --> 00:54:32,480
» Yeah, I think we need a little bit more
research on

792
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:37,520
» table the discussion.
>> You could we can table this and revisit

793
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:42,559
it. Um and
the zoning be right. So that could be a

794
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:48,480
motion where you revisit this. You can
give yourself ample time. Um so you know

795
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:56,079
your next meeting would you could
potentially have your next meeting.

796
00:54:50,800 --> 00:55:03,839
» September 14th. And we could well so we
could make a motion

797
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:12,160
» to table um this uh
temporary sign issue until

798
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:22,760
we have u legal counsel
give us suggested u

799
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:22,760
give us suggested options for the um

800
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:34,280
the permitting of this property that's
functioning under a commercial

801
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:34,280
uh exception currently

802
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:41,280
and I guess part of that motion would be
I would direct the mayor to

803
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,960
to seek the legal counsel.
>> Oh, Kristen, you you're concerned with

804
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:48,799
some of the language.
>> Yeah. and the variance I'm

805
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:52,960
» so is that it would this motion
accomplish meeting Kristen and that's

806
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,240
what I I was trying
>> maybe there's something else in the

807
00:55:54,079 --> 00:55:59,839
article that maybe we're not seeing
right now that allows us to do this I

808
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:03,200
guess my concern is over the language
that says not permitted commercial sign

809
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:05,520
or residential zone and if it's
residential then I think we're

810
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:12,000
permitting it
>> I mean do does this give Alex and our

811
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:16,079
mayor the ability the what they need to
then ask council

812
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:20,960
» yeah I think legal reviews so that we
can put this on next month's agenda and

813
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,480
address it again.
>> I don't think we need here.

814
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:31,200
» I mean, there's several questions that
came up, you know, so long as those get

815
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:34,160
answered, I suppose.
>> All your concerns.

816
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:38,000
» I've got Okay. So, I've got the motion
to table until legal counsel can be

817
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,599
sought regarding the zoning and the
wording of the restriction that you're

818
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:47,599
seeing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to encompass

819
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:51,680
» her concern too with the commercial
>> versus residential

820
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,480
» just be able to get that one addressed.
I assure

821
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:57,599
» I I know but I mean but well I was
hoping David David might give us some

822
00:56:56,799 --> 00:57:01,200
kind of a
>> I mean some kind of opinion

823
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:05,280
» kind of an opinion saying because this
is this is commercial operation that's

824
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:09,280
currently
actively operating

825
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,440
» in this zoned area.
>> It's been acting non-residential for

826
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,720
some time.
>> Yes sir. Yeah, I I don't disagree. I'm

827
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:19,119
just in doing it properly.
>> No, I understand. But but I we're asking

828
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:23,680
our attorney to make a determination on
something

829
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:27,440
» to give us
for him. But

830
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:31,440
» I mean, at least let him give us an
opinion

831
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,480
» that you know that might make everybody
more comfortable with it.

832
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:39,119
» Is that the only thing we want to ask
him?

833
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:43,839
» That was the only thing.
Yeah, I mean I I need to I guess the

834
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,400
only other one I don't understand is why
because usually when a property when

835
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,440
they're asking for signs on both sides
of the building or multiple sides of the

836
00:57:49,839 --> 00:57:54,480
building, it's because you have roads on
both sides of the building. We don't

837
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:58,160
have roads on all the sides of these
buildings. I don't understand why you

838
00:57:56,079 --> 00:58:01,839
need extra signs on, you know, two
different sides of the building.

839
00:57:59,839 --> 00:58:05,440
» That's my legal question.
>> Well, that would be an SP. That's a

840
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:09,359
right. So, that would require an SUP to
have an additional signage. It's

841
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:15,280
» okay.
>> But yeah, so you're still in the ZBA.

842
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:20,640
» Yeah. Okay.
>> So So you would have to So in your

843
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:24,960
motion, you would because nobody's
accepted your motion, you can your

844
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:28,559
motion
>> and and with with with Alex kind of

845
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:32,160
guiding you
>> as a refresher.

846
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:37,040
» Yeah. Uh
so right, you can table it for September

847
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:41,920
14th. for September 14th and bring back
with legal counsel addressing all the

848
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:46,000
council's concerns
>> and that should be

849
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:49,599
» okay. All right, that's fine. Can we
just amend my motion?

850
00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:54,559
» Yeah, if you want to say it again for
the record.

851
00:58:50,240 --> 00:59:00,640
» Okay. Um then I make u I make a motion
to table the variance from the allowable

852
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:09,200
time of temporary sign placement um
until

853
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:19,119
September 14th. at that time. Seek um
uh legal council's recommendations and

854
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:25,760
or advice on the um suggested wording of
commercial property sign placement at

855
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:34,760
this current operating facility
and supply council with

856
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:34,760
uh suggested course of action.

857
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.

858
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:47,040
» All in favor? I
>> oppose.

859
00:59:44,319 --> 00:59:52,771
Motion carries. Make a motion to be
this. We have a second for the motion.

860
00:59:49,359 --> 00:59:52,771
» I'll second [laughter]

861
00:59:53,280 --> 01:00:01,760
I'm going to put Robert down. Who wants
to take a second? I'll take Mr. Simmons

862
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,760
a second. All in favor? I Mr.