[0:00] Alex, would you like to get a phone and
just
[0:04] » It's working now.
It's working now.
[0:09] » All right, let's go. 65.
[0:14] Moving on to 6.5.
Discussion [clears throat] and possible
[0:17] direction to staff on policy approve
improvements. This item is on the agenda
[0:22] at the request of a council member. is
meant to be a recurring topic on the
[0:25] agenda and this purpose is so that
council may address changes that uh may
[0:28] be needed to internal policies and uh
processes during this time of limited
[0:33] staff.
>> I I ask that this stay on the agenda but
[0:35] I don't have anything for this meeting
for 64
[0:39] » to put back on for September.
>> Correct.
[0:42] » Unless anybody else does.
>> Okay.
[0:48] » Moving on to 6.6 or I guess nobody else
has any. Okay. Moving on to 66
[0:54] discussion and possible direction uh to
staff on capital improvements
[0:58] [clears throat] items on the agenda at
the request of council member. This is
[1:01] meant to be a recurring topic on the
agenda and it purpose so that council
[1:03] may address critical repairs and
construction needs in the town during
[1:06] this time of limited staff.
>> I have a question on this topic and
[1:11] would again would like to hear
everybody's thought on it. Um, now that
[1:16] Parker Road is complete and the mediums
are now still are now open,
[1:21] uh, what's anybody's thought on um,
doing uh, treelining the median like
[1:29] they did like especially like in Saxi
area down 78 um, around Saxi going down
[1:36] 78 toward George Bush. Um, any thoughts
on that? Just in general, no real
[1:43] actions, just thoughts. I don't know if
we can legally do that.
[1:46] » I think we can.
[1:51] » I mean, I know they they restrict
mailboxes because of
[1:54] » Yeah.
>> of traffic hazard.
[1:57] » Yeah.
>> They did a
[1:58] » had a tree. Is it worse than a mailbox?
>> They did a nice improvement plan in
[2:01] Murphy when we had lived there years
ago. They also had grass there and they
[2:05] had been wanting to improve it a long
time. It actually looks a lot nicer
[2:08] along that Betsy Road area. They have
all the trees now. It used to be all
[2:11] just grass for very long, but they put
the budget to improve that. I think it
[2:15] looks nice.
>> They also put water and irrigation into
[2:18] that, which we'd have to consider.
>> It's probably I don't know how much they
[2:21] spent. I'm sure they spent some They add
irrigation. It's going to add
[2:24] considerable
>> cost. We can I mean, we can figure out
[2:26] how big the project needs to be, but
it's an interesting idea.
[2:29] » Absolutely. Certainly be beautiful. I
don't my my only thought on that is I
[2:34] think we had to wait for a year a year
year or so to stabilize that that median
[2:38] because
>> No, I I
[2:39] » the soil they put in there is garbage.
>> Yeah.
[2:41] » Yeah. Just waiting for it to sink after
a good couple of rains. But
[2:45] » but that my thought literally is going
down 78 to George Bush a few times in
[2:51] the last couple of weeks and when I was
seeing the the trees I thought we've got
[2:56] Parker Road is really nice.
>> Absolutely. Um now, however, if we'd
[3:01] lined it with trees such as going
through sexy,
[3:05] then it would
be it would be very nice.
[3:11] I just wanted to get anybody's thought
on that, what their what y'all's
[3:14] thoughts were on it.
>> I think it's worth pursuing in about a
[3:16] year or year or two just just because
letting that foundation, that soil
[3:21] stabilize and figure out what's going to
happen with that sod they put in. This
[3:25] was also on the agenda as a recurring
item for you to be able to bring up any
[3:29] kind of needs that you see or RBL tells
you about that we need to.
[3:36] » So, we already have RBL going on some of
the stuff from last meeting, right?
[3:39] » So, I could use this as a as a as a gate
a segue to to speak to. There is a road
[3:44] that will be coming across u will be
going undergoing repair. um some things
[3:51] that AVL has addressed that uh are
higher priority than others.
[3:57] Um so you will see those
before or next month.
[4:03] » Okay.
>> So we've made progress on the stuff we
[4:06] approved.
>> We have seen progress on um check sign
[4:10] but we are definitely wheels are in
motion. Yes.
[4:14] » But to Mr. to John's point, you know,
this is a good opportunity for outside
[4:18] of that or anything that you wanted to
bring out. I didn't mean to step on
[4:20] that.
>> Yeah, I'll definitely keep that in mind
[4:22] and if anything comes to mind, I'll drop
it down for next month.
[4:25] » Just real quick though on the medians, I
do want you all to keep in mind it be I
[4:29] would love to have something nice there,
too. Don't get me wrong, but that is
[4:32] where Tex dot is planning on extending
Parker Road to six lanes. So, there is
[4:37] potential that anything we do could get
undone.
[4:39] » That's right.
>> Yeah. But the discussion around that
[4:41] with with Tex was well there's a number
of things it's the traffic flow. It
[4:46] depends on if WY is going to allow
something to happen through their main
[4:49] street
>> which the likelihood of that is far
[4:52] beyond remote.
>> Um so six lanes going down two lanes one
[4:57] in each direction is bizarrely insane to
even contemplate. So I
[5:03] » but you got to keep in mind there's not
going to be a bypass around Y lane. Yes.
[5:07] May still be six lanes getting to that
point. Yeah. Parker going off to the
[5:12] park going to the right. Yeah.
>> Um but even at that um the entire medium
[5:18] doesn't have to be populated from edge
to edge. You can still do the trees down
[5:21] the middle of it. So that if they widen
it because that's the
[5:25] » the other little part of this
engineering aspect is it's two lanes
[5:30] right now, but it's really two and a
half lanes. Um, so all they would take
[5:35] is approximately somewhere between uh 6
and 10 ft of the median away. So it
[5:42] would still be a rather large median
still left. So
[5:45] » some trees would be great.
>> But that I mean that that additional
[5:48] land in each direction has to it depends
on a lot of things. Plus it's state cost
[5:53] and they have to have some kind of a
compelling reason to spend the tens of
[5:57] millions hundreds of millions to do it.
and I just don't think they get the
[6:01] benefit out of it. Honest to God,
>> it's it's a ways down the road, but it's
[6:05] a good point. Both are good points.
>> It is a ways down the road. Also,
[6:08] bringing me to that topic, now that
Tucker Road is done, we do need to
[6:12] re-evaluate our irrigation system here
at Town Hall. They did have to cut some
[6:16] of the lines to expand the road. So,
there it's mostly the outer portions
[6:21] towards the roads that may not be
getting coverage
[6:23] » and they didn't fix it.
>> I don't know what was agreed upon. They
[6:27] should have
>> when that was originally started, but
[6:31] it's definitely something we need to
look into, figure out if we need
[6:34] additional zones, coverages anywhere.
And then also, I know there's been
[6:38] discussion about potentially putting
some kind of barrier to keep cars from
[6:42] coming off.
>> Yeah. So, so the barrier will come will
[6:44] come down once, you know, things are all
open up. Uh we and then we can probably
[6:50] go out for bid for that. Definitely. So,
the council should consider something
[6:54] like that. I was going to I was going to
ask if there was any kind of a a thought
[6:58] or a contemplation of a of a barrier in
the curve. Um
[7:05] we I'm certainly open to it. I just
don't want it to be looking like we
[7:09] walled off the town hall. If there's
some, you know, columns or whatnot that
[7:13] are to protect cars from coming through
while it still looks open to the public,
[7:17] that would be great.
>> [clears throat]
[7:18] » Yeah, I think I think there's I think
there's absolutely
[7:22] um maintaining the ways you could do it
and um
[7:27] that that we could make it certainly
>> pleasant to look at and not to be like,
[7:33] you know, we're walling it off or any
shape, form of fashion,
[7:36] » freeway,
>> right?
[7:39] » Exactly.
>> Mr. Mayor, are you still meeting with
[7:41] the
>> the Well, we'll uh I am got an email
[7:46] out, so we'll definitely I'll be able to
touch on the sprinkler system as soon as
[7:50] » um but I I think the that shouldn't have
to have come through council. That one
[7:54] can just be
[7:58] [clears throat]
>> anybody anything else
[8:00] » on this one. Was this the one where we
also uh could talk about I think were we
[8:04] going to connect with WY about the
easement? Is that a discussion at one
[8:09] point? Yes. So, I've uh I do I have had
my initial or preliminary discussion
[8:16] with Mayor W.
>> Okay.
[8:20] » Can you give us an update next time?
>> Yes.
[8:23] » Okay. Thank you.
>> This time I was like I don't have enough
[8:28] information to be able to give you an
update.
[8:31] » When is your I'm sorry. When is your
>> When is the uh your text meeting on
[8:35] Tuesdays? It is on Tuesdays.
>> No, Wednesdays.
[8:40] » Wednesday.
>> Every Wednesday.
[8:43] » Yes.
>> So, we'll have you'll have one this
[8:46] week.
>> Um,
[8:50] can you um run it by them? I know that
they say that they sweep and I know that
[8:55] they say that they they run the sweeper
down.
[9:00] They need to run the sweeper down like
five or six times and slowly, not just
[9:05] let me just zoom by and say we've swept.
Um
[9:09] Tracy, I've talked to Tracy about it
before with text dot, you know.
[9:13] » Mhm. and he knows and they'll they'll
swing by with the sweeper. But there is
[9:20] there's nails, there's metal, there's um
when the when the when the brush um when
[9:27] the uh when the road brush goes through,
it slings off 8 in metal because they're
[9:33] brushed. The the brush that's on the uh
road brush is metal brushes and it
[9:39] slings off these eight 10-in long metal
pieces everywhere.
[9:45] And I know two people that have gotten
already have flats.
[9:50] So
I was asked. So I'm asking
[9:56] » noted. I will uh bring that up in my
concerns.
[10:01] » They're almost through. So you know what
I mean. It's just like hit the curbs,
[10:05] drive along the curbs. You know, you
don't have to have to do it two or three
[10:09] times. even pull into people's
driveways, you know, pick it up, back
[10:13] back out, get, you know, you're almost
through, guys. Now, make it look nice
[10:20] or at least start it off nice so we have
it a nice starting place, sir.
[10:30] Moving on to uh 6.7
direct discussion and possible direction
[10:37] to staff regarding the town secretary
position. Items on the agenda request
[10:41] for council members meant to be a
recurring topic on the agenda and its
[10:44] purpose is so that council may address
staffing needs in the town during this
[10:47] time of limited staff. You
>> you were going to go through resumeumés.
[10:52] Yes. Report back to council
uh some potential interviews. Yes. So,
[10:58] down to the last three. So, out of the
first 100 applicants, we're down to the
[11:03] last three applicants. So, I will be
engaging town staff at that time to uh
[11:11] for
additional resources because I need
[11:15] additional resources.
>> Okay.
[11:19] There's only 24 hours in the day.
>> Any issues that you see in your role in
[11:23] your role? just so I could use like two
more of myself.
[11:32] » The hours are there.
>> Anything else for 67?
[11:37] » Anybody else? No. All righty. We're
going to move along down to 6.8.
[11:40] Discussing possible action regarding the
drainage and grading study for DFW
[11:44] connection points as required by the SUP
approved on 512 2025.
[11:52] So this evening, council will consider
for approval a grading and drainage plan
[11:56] submitted by Spires Engineering for DFW
Connection Point Church as required by
[12:00] the SUV approved on May 12th, 2025. The
study must be approved prior to the
[12:05] issuance of the building permits based
on the recommendations of the town
[12:08] engineer. As a reminder, the SP requires
the church break ground on the project
[12:12] by December 2026.
>> So says, "We have no adverse comments
[12:17] and recommend approval. Is there any
reason why we should approve this?
[12:23] » It's open for discussion.
>> Our engineers suggest we're moving it.
[12:28] » Mr. Larry?
>> No.
[12:31] » I don't have any concerns. Pearson.
>> No,
[12:35] the only the only thing I did notice in
this was the um I guess it's a traffic
[12:41] study that is the study doesn't show St.
Paul alignment, St. Paul road alignment
[12:46] where it is now. Traffic section 69 68
>> like appendix. Oh, am I wrong?
[12:52] » We're on 68. We're drainage and grading.
[12:57] » I move to approve the grading and
drainage plan submitted for DFW
[13:00] connection point church by Spire's
engineering based on the recommendation
[13:04] from the county engineer.
>> I second.
[13:06] » All in favor?
>> I.
[13:08] » All right. So, on to the I thought we
were talking about Sorry about that. The
[13:12] uh Can we let the mayor read it? Thank
you.
[13:17] » Discussion and possible action regarding
6.9 the discussion possible action
[13:21] regarding the traffic impact analysis
for DFW connection point church as
[13:24] required by the SP.
>> All right. Before we make motions, I'd
[13:27] like to talk about the traffic alignment
on section C appendix C for the trips
[13:32] does not show the alignment for St. Paul
Road the way it is today. So shown
[13:36] things doing U-turns 50% which I don't
think are going to be there because the
[13:41] alignment for St. road that's not there
cuz one of those exits I believe is
[13:44] going to be aligned directly with St.
Paul road I think right
[13:48] » yes
>> yeah that is correct so the can I please
[13:53] » um so this uh this study and our textile
permit is approved for all the driveways
[13:58] proposed uh so they took no comment to
this so we do have um one of our main
[14:06] driveways is aligned with St. call road
with the light.
[14:08] » Is there going to be a light in your on
your side?
[14:12] » On our side? No.
>> So,
[14:15] there's not going to be a light. That's
a huge problem.
[14:17] » So, so somebody's going left.
>> There's a right turn only.
[14:20] » Yeah. They restricted us to only go
right. We have a sign right turn right.
[14:25] » For both for both.
>> No. Uh, correct. For both.
[14:28] » For both.
>> One of them is a full median opening.
[14:30] » So, even though your road lines up to
St. Paul Road, you can't turn left
[14:34] coming out of your property.
>> That's correct. That's not, you know,
[14:37] that's not going to happen.
>> Well, there's there's a there's a median
[14:40] walking um in the
>> Yeah, they've got a little concrete
[14:43] thing that's supposed to divert it to
the right triangle.
[14:47] » Was was that the solution? That was that
is the only solution because the refusal
[14:52] or because the option was for a light to
go there or the recommendation was
[14:56] » there was no option for us to get a
light. Uh um if we were to when we
[15:02] approached them, it would have been 18
months before we could have gotten a
[15:05] light there.
>> Well, they the driveway was already
[15:07] existing and they designed uh they
designed the signal and we had um Tracy
[15:13] Mo and all the main textile people. Uh
this was the proposed solution by them.
[15:19] Um and Jennifer Forester. Well, yeah.
There's a little concrete uh diversion
[15:26] that's in the plants that says you can't
go left.
[15:29] » That's going to be a mess.
[15:33] » Is that something we bring up with
textile as well? Is that this is this is
[15:37] really a mess.
>> I I I would
[15:39] » It wouldn't be that big a deal. Let me
say this if I if I may. If it wasn't
[15:42] that much of a travel road that St. Paul
Road is a very highly traveled road and
[15:46] so I can see that being just a mess.
>> Yes, absolutely.
[15:51] you you can hold off until I can get
further clarification. I I just I heed
[15:58] with caution because they you know again
December 2026 that's the deadline that
[16:02] the town imposed on them to break
ground.
[16:06] » Are y'all pursuing that uh for for some
a future change?
[16:11] » I mean you're on target say that again.
We're hoping to break ground next month.
[16:16] » Yeah. Yeah. I'm just wondering in the
future, are you are you pursuing to have
[16:19] a light on your side where you could go
left?
[16:22] » Uh right now we haven't thought past
phase one, which I mean keep in mind
[16:26] we're 100 people church and so for us uh
>> yeah, I'm not I'm not suggesting we like
[16:31] postpone this or anything. I'm just I'm
just curious.
[16:34] » So yes, it would be nice, but uh it's
because they did it for the Montasuri
[16:41] school down here. Why in the world can
they do it for these guys?
[16:44] » Exactly.
Exactly. It doesn't exist.
[16:48] » So, you would you would like
to push that. Okay.
[16:55] » Driveway was there and they designed the
signal for a three-way intersection
[16:59] and we came back and pointed that out to
them. Actually,
[17:03] » just make sure the owner of the property
wants to do what we're saying
[17:07] they would incur, not anybody else.
>> Yeah. But we were we were under the
[17:10] assumption that they were designing
because the driveway was already there.
[17:14] Well, the driveway was moved while they
were designing it. And so now textile,
[17:18] they we we found out they were putting
the poles up and we said, "Hey, where's
[17:21] our light?" And they kind of said,
"Well, it wasn't in the design." And so
[17:27] we we basically determined that this
ride out only was they said it was
[17:33] acceptable to us or we agreed to it
because we just, you know, we want to
[17:37] move forward with our project. However,
we would love if the town supports that,
[17:41] we would love
>> Well, yeah. So, no wonder it says so the
[17:43] 50% U-turns is going to be right. You're
going to have a bunch of trouble doing
[17:46] U-turns.
>> So, I mean right now um our engineer
[17:50] doesn't have an issue with this and says
uh would endorse approving it. So, um
[17:57] you know, that's fine, but I think we
ought to as a town and as a property
[18:01] owner push text dot to make that change
for safety reasons. But I don't want to
[18:07] penalize the church on not being able to
get their project on because of text. I
[18:11] don't Yeah, I don't think there I don't
see a reason why the church should be
[18:15] penalized for their property running
there. There's nothing I wouldn't see
[18:20] anything in these plans that should
preclude them from beginning and even
[18:24] where their driveway in existence is
because the the the stop lightss um that
[18:31] would go on to Parker Road or at St.
Paul Road are they can be secondary.
[18:37] There is many roads around that are
completely already built and have stop
[18:42] lights put up after the fact. And so
I don't know if we're saying the same
[18:47] thing, but
>> yeah. So I mean I'd like to move to
[18:51] approve the traffic impact analysis
submit for DFW connect church plus
[18:54] engineering based on recommendations
from engineer.
[18:57] » Do I have a second motion? I'll second
as long as we do engage with text dot on
[19:03] this being an issue
>> and then I would suggest that we as a
[19:06] separate issue address that with text
dot in partnership with the property
[19:11] owner
pastor just I'll reach out to you. Okay.
[19:18] » So who was my second because I second
>> okay all in favor?
[19:24] » Any oppose?
[19:29] Motion passes.
[19:34] » Moving on to executive session. Texas
Government Code have [clears throat]
[19:39] five.
>> You don't have to go to it. That's
[19:41] that's just
there in case y'all needed it.
[19:45] » Is there any reason why anybody would
like to go to executive session?
[19:50] » Okay. I'm going to move on to uh item
number eight. Discussion of about 8.1.
[19:57] discussion about uh future meeting
agenda items. Anybody have any topics?
[20:02] Now,
>> the one I sent last month that did get
[20:05] added.
>> Yes, sir. That one is going to be uh
[20:10] the 14
[20:17] sorry adding the item about the
>> newspapers and the ordinance.
[20:22] » Yes. Yes. The ordinance the ordinance
for for uh uh newspapers for for uh what
[20:30] would you call it?
>> For the ordinance for to restrict the
[20:32] newspapers
the one we refer to PNZ.
[20:36] » Oh, the unsolicited
>> unsolicited material. That's the word I
[20:39] was looking for.
>> You want that back on the agenda?
[20:41] » We have to make the motion to send it.
>> Yeah.
[20:45] » And then
>> I don't think we did. I think David I
[20:47] can review that meeting but Mr. Overcast
was here and I'm pretty sure he said
[20:50] that y'all did not have to make a motion
to do that. to do what?
[20:53] » To send it to PNZ.
>> I can review the recording.
[20:57] » Okay.
>> I'm pretty sure that's why we did it
[21:00] that way. He was here.
>> If it's if it doesn't require, we'll
[21:02] push it on.
>> Amen.
[21:04] » Okay.
>> Sorry, Mr. Dre.
[21:08] » Uh yeah. So, we had a um a a a
citizen I think it was last meeting that
[21:16] uh asked why we just listen to public
comments and don't talk about it. And I
[21:23] think it would be good as mayor in your
comments if you would let them know that
[21:27] we are unable to talk about things that
are not agenda items
[21:31] just as a reminder because they did not
know that and they were
[21:35] assuming that we're just ignoring their
comments and just not even paying
[21:40] attention because we wouldn't comment
back or discuss it. So we'll put that
[21:47] would bring some clarity to public
comments and what we can and can't do as
[21:51] a council.
[21:55] I like that.
[22:01] » Okay. Thought it was already in there.
Okay. Cool.
[22:07] All righty. Mr. Pearson.
[22:11] » No.
[22:17] » All right. What are we doing right now?
>> Um, future items.
[22:19] » Future items. Any future
>> items? Yeah. Okay.
[22:22] » Okay.
>> All righty. At this time, we're going to
[22:25] move on to 8.2 regular council meeting.
Do I have a motion for adjournment?
[22:30] » A motion that we adjourn the regular
meeting.
[22:32] » I second.
>> All in favor?
[22:34] » I
[22:40] time is 8:20.
[22:46] All right. Thank you.
[22:57] All righty. Let's see. The time is now
8:20. Going to go ahead and do a roll
[23:04] call for the board of adjustments
meeting. Mr. Nail
[23:08] » present.
>> Mr. Dryen here.
[23:11] » Greg
>> here.
[23:14] » Mrs. Buley
>> here.
[23:16] » Mr. Simmons here. All right, we have a
quum.
[23:21] Would you like to do the pledge of
allegiance again or we're just going to
[23:23] say recount it all and move on to number
three, the announcements. Town of St.
[23:27] Paul is currently seeking town secretary
please visit St. Paul text.
[23:33] » Yeah.
>> Sorry.
[23:38] » You can put anything in front of you.
[laughter]
[23:41] Did I just pose the wrong one?
>> Is that
[23:49] okay?
>> 2.1 consideration and approval of the
[23:52] minutes from the BOA meeting held on
July 13th, 2026.
[23:55] » Like how I did that.
>> I'm helping you out there, bro.
[23:58] » That was a
>> I move to approve the minutes of the
[24:01] board of adjustments meeting held on
July 13, 2026.
[24:04] » I second.
>> All in favor? I
[24:07] » except with the members absent. Robert
Simmons
[24:12] » he got a quick I says me was I there I
says member's absent I think I was not
[24:18] there but I didn't say I'm absent
>> no you were there remember I called you
[24:21] and we had this conversation
>> because I was confused because the way I
[24:25] had written it down is I written down
you were absent I was like no she was
[24:28] there
>> oh you remember
[24:32] » so we're talking about board of
adjustments right I was absent for that
[24:35] » oh you were not abive session seconded
yes I was not absent for the executive
[24:40] session but I was absent for the motion
was
[24:44] » made and second so for the minute I
think he'd add my number my name because
[24:47] I was present I don't I was
>> okay but I wasn't
[24:52] » with that condition all in favor
>> I
[24:58] oppose
[25:01] a second
>> all right
[25:06] moving on so so [clears throat] 3.1
there was just one
[25:12] sign that was still left off.
>> Correct.
[25:14] » We technically have to have to open the
public hearing.
[25:18] » Yeah. Got to open it up. Public hearing
regarding varian request for public car
[25:22] wash that was approved on 511 2026
meeting but an admin error was made in
[25:26] the number of signs needing an approval.
This hearing is to consider allowing one
[25:30] additional sign to the property. Wish to
speak.
[25:32] » I'll make a I'll make a motion that we
uh
[25:35] » not yet.
>> Hold on. comments.
[25:37] » Any comments?
>> Okay.
[25:40] » All right. Public comments. Public
hearing is now closed.
[25:44] » Go ahead and do a uh
>> Well,
[25:47] I got a second one. So, there's also the
3.2 is cons conduct a public hearing on
[25:51] a request for variance submitted by the
town of the Coventry Reserve seeking
[25:55] relief.
>> Article 3.05004
[25:59] for permanent signs which states
temporary signs are allowable for 120
[26:02] days per year. Only one sign per
building is allowed to be mounted
[26:06] permanently.
>> Public comments.
[26:13] I'm Daryl Blakey. I represent puppetry.
Um the reason that we're asking for
[26:19] bearance on that is because with the
road construction stuff, we've not been
[26:24] able to
this is on the property of two at 2010
[26:29] which is power to move. It's a sister
organization to Coventry
[26:33] and they serve the public I mean
community that have spinal injuries and
[26:40] wheelchairs
and the road is not sufficient into that
[26:46] property or drive. We intend to rebuild
that. So we really don't have a location
[26:52] to build the sign the permanent sign at
this time until we get that road
[26:57] rebuilt. They have school buses. They
serve the WY school district. And then
[27:02] they have uh people that are in chairs
that come in with adaptive driving
[27:08] equipment on the cars. So we we've got
to rebuild the road for them to
[27:12] accommodate them adequately. So that's
really the hold up. Otherwise, we would
[27:16] already be going for permit for the
permanent sign.
[27:20] » When do you think it'll be able to do
the driveway? Uh we're working on
[27:23] funding for it, but uh you know probably
four, five, six months and and we're
[27:30] going to have to get a permit from text
dot because the entrance to the drive
[27:35] was was not u we tried to talk to them
about widening that at the time, but
[27:41] they they wouldn't change that or they
weren't able to do that. But we're going
[27:46] to need to widen the entrance. only got
a 9 ft wide apron coming into the
[27:52] property. So, and there's a big drainage
that goes across there and goes under.
[27:57] So, doing the drive is going to be quite
expensive.
[28:01] Made the water coming under Parker Road
and coming across there and goes under
[28:06] that driveway.
So the request is for
[28:13] it's just for an extension of the
temporary signs
[28:17] » that and a waving of the fees simply
because it's a nonprofit and they they
[28:24] don't have
>> I guess we that's 42 I guess we should
[28:28] discuss at this point.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
[28:29] » All right. Thank you.
>> Yeah. Sorry. I've got to close the
[28:31] public hearing before discuss. Okay.
>> Thank you.
[28:37] this time a motion to close the public
hearing. Seems like we have in the past.
[28:40] » I just I have to close. Okay. So, at
this time I'm if there's no other
[28:45] comments I would make, you know, close
the public hearing. We're going to move
[28:49] on to uh regular agenda 4.1 discussion
possible action regarding correction to
[28:56] a variance approval for club car wash
from May 11, 2026 meeting from 13 to 14.
[29:02] Signs needed.
I'll make a motion that we um
[29:09] allow for the variance for the 13 to 14
signs.
[29:16] » Okay. Do I just
That's it.
[29:19] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> This is just administrative. We just
[29:22] missed that one.
>> Yes.
[29:25] » Also, thank you.
>> All in favor?
[29:28] » Yeah, we went over all those songs and
where they were placing them.
[29:31] » I remember that. I just didn't
understand why we were singing them.
[29:35] confused
>> 4.2
[29:39] and here I sorry does anybody else have
something question
[29:44] discussion possible action regarding a
variance for the for the cover reserve
[29:47] seeking relief from article 3.05004
05004 permit sign which states temporary
[29:51] signs are allowable from 110 days per
year. So and only one sign per building
[29:56] is allowed to be mounted permanently.
This request regarding signs at the
[29:58] location 2010 Parker Road aka power to
move. They're also seeking relief from
[30:02] the required application fees that
accompany the sign and variance
[30:05] applications.
>> This is for a business right
[30:09] but is the res but is that land a
business or residence?
[30:14] » Are you talking commercial land?
It's in it's a nonprofit.
[30:20] » So So
I think believe it is zone type F.
[30:26] Well, no, because that would be
churches.
[30:30] » I'm not entirely sure.
>> I mean, I know the church I know
[30:32] Coventry is zoned as a church.
>> Do you happen to know what how how your
[30:36] property is zoned?
>> Actually, the cover is zoned as a
[30:40] school.
>> Okay.
[30:41] » But the point being is I understand the
Covent tree makes sense. I'm not sure
[30:44] about this property. I think this
property is supposed to be a residence.
[30:47] » Well, that property is a owned by
Coventry. We purchased that property.
[30:54] » I'm not asking who owns it. I'm saying
that it's not it's not zoned to be a
[30:58] business.
>> I can provide some clarity if you
[31:02] » please.
>> So, this is where the map is going to
[31:06] come in handy. Okay.
>> I'm not going to get into it too much,
[31:10] but power to move is one of those is it
or isn't it?
[31:13] » Okay. in the town.
>> Okay.
[31:16] » And so it has been treated as ETJ for a
number of years. And so that's why there
[31:21] is a
>> I guess you could call it it's not
[31:24] really a business like he said it's a
not for profit but it's not being used
[31:27] as a residence.
>> Is is the Coventry facility the building
[31:30] itself in the city of St. Paul in the
town of St. Paul or is it in the county?
[31:35] » The Coventry there's two
>> there's two structures on that property.
[31:40] One is an 80 an 80 by 40 that's been
turned into a gym for adaptive fitness
[31:47] for this these uh participants.
>> Mhm.
[31:51] » The other is was a residential house
that's being used for respit for
[31:56] Coventry weekends for Coventry uh
participants that go to the Coventry
[32:02] day.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, like I've talked about
[32:05] before, when we sit before you as the
zoning and uh what is it? The view board
[32:11] of adjust board of adjustments. The
zoning board of adjustments. We're not
[32:15] sitting as a town council. We're sitting
as a quasi judicious body that's
[32:19] supposed to be looking into whether or
not we're supposed to allow for this
[32:22] variance to be granted. And so, the
first thing that we need to do, I think,
[32:25] as a body is figure out what is this
property zoned as. And it sounds like
[32:30] it's in limbo
at best. It's really Yeah, it it's
[32:35] really
um
[32:40] there's some concerns with where the
property lines are,
[32:43] » right?
>> But I do want you all to keep in mind
[32:45] this is for signage, which is something
we can control also in the ETJ,
[32:50] » right?
>> And and the sign is not lit. Is that
[32:52] correct? The temporary sign is not lit.
>> Not lit.
[32:54] » Um and having a sign would be public
safety for people to know what's there
[33:01] or if that's the driveway.
So, let me tell you what exactly they're
[33:04] asking for. So, they want to keep their
temporary sign out for a period of
[33:08] longer than 120 days. So, we would
ideally
[33:11] » the sign that's there now.
>> The sign that's there now.
[33:14] » They also want a second building mounted
sign on the power to move building.
[33:19] There is a currently a sign on the front
and a sign on the side and they would
[33:23] they are seeking permission to keep that
second sign up.
[33:28] So, there's those are multiple parts.
are also seeking relief from all of the
[33:32] application fees associated with said
sign permits and for their variance
[33:38] application. They did pay the fee for
the application and they are seeking
[33:42] relief which would require us to
reimburse the fee.
[33:45] » And as I recall the the sign ordinance
does not allow for variance for
[33:49] temporary assignment for temporary
assignment dates.
[33:54] It's it's and it's also not like a
variance for zoning or for adding on a
[33:58] house. It's not about hard partnership.
It's about making sure we're doing the
[34:02] what that the ordinance allows for. I
don't believe it even allows for
[34:05] variance.
[34:12] » What page?
>> The very last page.
[34:18] » The very last page.
[34:23] » So the entire sign ordinance is in here.
>> Yes. So I think I see
[34:28] regulations
[34:33] to check the sign.
There we go. Page 307, I think.
[34:41] » What was that, Mr. Dragon?
>> It's very last page. Very last page.
[34:44] 3.05.
>> I don't see anything in here that says
[34:47] that it can't be for a temporary sign.
>> Well, I don't think that's the entire
[34:51] sign ordinance. So, I'm trying to go to
the I believe the sign ordinance
[34:57] cuz I was one of the authors.
>> I don't think it allows for variance for
[35:01] this.
>> So, you believe this is the entire sign
[35:05] ordinance in the back here?
>> Yes, I printed it directly from code,
[35:10] » but I have reviewed it versus the phys
physical copy of the ordinance and they
[35:14] are the same.
[35:22] uh IDC hardship language isn't it
3.05.01A
[35:30] so we have the authority to grant
variances
[35:33] from the provisions of article respect
to on premise lines only when said court
[35:37] has made a specific finding from the
evidence presented that compliance with
[35:40] provisions of the article result in a
substantial financial hardship super
[35:43] equity
[35:56] So this was a couple months ago. We were
going to look at this and I had not
[36:00] then I do remember there being something
about not allowing for variances on
[36:05] temporary signs.
>> So it does say a new event show such a
[36:08] very permitted variance including
committing a sign which is an unlawful
[36:11] sign under section.
>> The the previous one was a request for a
[36:16] lit temporary sign.
>> Okay. And that's that was the difference
[36:20] is that they wanted the big arrow with
all the lights and the flashing.
[36:25] » That that was the difference. That was
>> although it doesn't
[36:28] » I think this is a conforming sign a
conforming temporary sign versus what
[36:32] was requested before was a
non-conforming temporary sign.
[36:35] » It doesn't say nor permitting a
commercial sign and a residential zone
[36:38] other than it's permitted by this
article. So there is an aspect of what
[36:41] is it zoned as
[36:47] » well? Oh yeah, there's I think there's
question about whether the So here's the
[36:51] here's the thing. The signs are going to
go in the town of St. Paul,
[36:56] » right?
>> Proper the buildings themselves
[37:00] under
>> not in the
[37:02] » or fall outside of Yeah. Paul.
>> So the building that falls outside of
[37:08] St. Paul, is that the building that
you're requesting the sign variance for?
[37:12] » Correct.
>> Okay. If if if the building falls
[37:16] outside of the town of St. Paul, then
this shouldn't even I don't know if we
[37:21] should even be
>> No, we can't
[37:24] even
>> They take away everything else. Greg,
[37:27] don't take that away, too.
>> I didn't want to give it away. I mean,
[37:29] that is true.
>> I just wanted to throw it out there. Is
[37:31] it even our call to restrict and it's
not like it's a power thing. It's just
[37:35] that again, this is planning. This is
planning for the future, you know, for
[37:39] situations whether whether or not the
property is in the ATK. We can't control
[37:42] the signs of it.
>> Okay.
[37:45] » All right.
>> So, both both the temporary sign and the
[37:48] permanent building mounted sign both
conform to the ordinances. It's just
[37:53] getting permission to have because we
only allow one building mounted sign.
[37:56] So, they need permission for two and
then they would need and then I don't
[38:00] know if y'all want to set a timeline for
the temporary sign
[38:03] » and and the fees, right? So the fees
would they wouldn't have had to have the
[38:07] additional fees if it wasn't because we
had to
[38:10] » we delayed them. The fees aren't the big
deal.
[38:12] » Yeah.
>> Isn't there a monthly fee or something?
[38:15] » Yes. Temporary signs are $75 a month for
the permit. So requesting that as well.
[38:22] Yes.
>> Is and is the claim because this is a
[38:25] hardship due to the fact that text dot
didn't widen their drive approach. So
[38:30] they're having to wide they're they're
widening the driveway but they're having
[38:34] to create funding because they're a
nonprofit and this is all sort of
[38:37] stemming that really
>> before we wouldn't have had this issue
[38:40] except for the fact that text did a 9
foot driveway as opposed to a commercial
[38:44] driveway.
>> I think those are two separate things
[38:46] group this temporary sign request is not
because of anything tech.
[38:49] » I thought I thought that that was the
reason they were
[38:52] » they're going to be requesting a
permanent sign when tech stop finishes
[38:55] but that's a whole other issue. This is
a temporary sign
[38:59] » that they have currently that they're
wanting to extend. Has nothing to do
[39:02] with text.
>> Oh, I I I misunderstood. I'm sorry. I I
[39:06] thought that the temporary sign was only
going to be temporary because they
[39:09] didn't want to put in a permit because
of the
[39:11] » when they when they fixed their driveway
issue. He said they're going to request
[39:14] a permanent sign, which will be a second
sign that that's going to that's going
[39:18] to come back to us.
>> I'll come back.
[39:20] » Right now, it's just a temporary sign
that they're wanting to extend.
[39:23] » But you make sure nothing. you make
motions, right, with those contingencies
[39:28] that it gets re-reviewed. You can do
that.
[39:30] » Here's my other question is if you know
where your driveway is and you know what
[39:37] the widening is going to be for it.
>> What is the preclusion of going ahead
[39:41] and putting up a permanent sign?
>> I think they're going to work.
[39:44] » There is a permanent sign.
>> So, the Parker Road is finished. He's
[39:49] talking about Sir, are you going you're
going to be working on the road that you
[39:52] have on your property, right? That is
correct. But the road rolls off pretty
[39:57] steeply on both sides. So it's not like
>> Let me ask you this. Is there any
[40:02] further construction happening on Parker
Road for you?
[40:05] » Uh no.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[40:07] » And there already is a permanent sign.
This is going to be a second permanent
[40:10] sign which they'll have to get approval
for.
[40:13] » So it's coming back to us.
>> No.
[40:16] » No. So that that will I mean I guess it
depends on what the kind of sign they
[40:20] apply for ultimately. that a sign that's
going to be at the front drive of the
[40:24] property is going to be like a monument
style sign which they can have in
[40:28] addition to a building mounted sign.
>> There is sign for Coventry there.
[40:33] » That's for Coventry. This is for power.
>> Are they going to be one or are they
[40:37] going to be two separate?
>> Coventry is on.
[40:40] » It is two. It is two separate propert.
[40:45] » I'm sorry guys. I know it's confusing.
>> It is. It is. So, yes. So,
[40:49] » is the sign house there? It's not
>> is this sign is this variance requesting
[40:54] that sign be a monument sign. So it'll
be one sign with two distinct business
[41:00] names on it or is are we talking about
two separate signs all together?
[41:05] » The permanent sign will will be one sign
with one name on it
[41:11] » just for
power. Sir power move is going to be
[41:15] operated separate from Coventry.
understand it's owned by it, but you're
[41:18] going to work those two properties
separately.
[41:20] » It's actually a per a separate uh
nonprofit, but they lease that building
[41:25] from Coventry,
>> right? But you're going to operate those
[41:28] two different uh buildings, if you will,
or two different properties
[41:33] » kind of separate from each other. Oh,
yeah.
[41:34] » Yeah. Yes.
>> So, the two the sign that you're talking
[41:36] about is not going [cough] to be with or
in the same location as the Coventry
[41:42] sign. It's going to be on the property
that's further to the south.
[41:44] » To the north.
>> North. Okay. Ah, okay. So, it's that
[41:48] it's a story.
>> Mhm.
[41:50] » Okay. So, it's a separate driveway all
together.
[41:52] » I tried to put in a visual, but I guess
it doesn't.
[41:54] » So, it's a separate driveway, separate
sign. It's all separate.
[41:57] » All separate.
>> And it used to be a So, I believe it
[42:00] used to be a residence, right?
>> Yes.
[42:03] » Excellent. So, all the signs are for
power to move. So, they want two
[42:06] building mounted signs, eventually one
permanent monument sign,
[42:11] » but for now it's a temporary sign.
>> Okay. So the question I believe Mr.
[42:16] Pearson just asked is is there a reason
we can't put the monument sign up now?
[42:23] » Are you asking me?
>> Yes, sir.
[42:25] » The reason?
>> Yeah. Is there a reason we can't put the
[42:27] monument sign up now? The permanence on
it?
[42:30] » It's because the drive is not
sufficient. It's going to the drive is
[42:34] going to have to be widened and the
embankment enough where we can put the
[42:38] permanent signs.
>> So the embankment work is the issue.
[42:40] » That's correct.
>> That's what he let in with. I think it
[42:42] was a little confusing because we we we
must have felt like
[42:45] » property is mixed up.
>> Oh yeah, the property's mixed up. And I
[42:47] guess there was some mix up about
>> needing to complete Parker Road. It's
[42:51] not a completion of Parker Road. It's a
completion of your personal or not
[42:54] personal your your entity's driveway
into your property.
[43:04] I would say the second building sign
mounted is not would not be we wouldn't
[43:09] particularly need that after we get the
monument sign.
[43:12] » So that's a temporary as well.
>> Yes.
[43:15] » And and why do you so there's there's
not a road over there. Why do you need a
[43:19] second sign on the building?
Well, there's two properties that use
[43:25] that driveway and so it needs to be on
the front of the building so the people
[43:29] coming in will know where they're
supposed to go.
[43:34] » And so why does there need to be one on
the other side of the building? If you
[43:37] have one on the front, why do you need
one on the other side? Well, we had
[43:41] problems when during the construction of
the of the highway [clears throat] was
[43:46] people not being able to see or know how
to get in there because there were the
[43:51] the drive is so narrow that they would
miss it.
[43:56] So, they put a sign on the north side of
the building to help accommodate
[44:01] visibility
[44:04] cuz when I drive by there, I can only
see the part of the building that's
[44:07] facing the west. Right.
If you're driving on, if I'm thinking of
[44:12] the right building up in the
>> If you're going if you're going north on
[44:16] on Parker, when you come up on 2010, you
look, you can see the sign on this north
[44:21] side of the building.
>> The north side of the building is not
[44:25] facing Parker.
>> No.
[44:27] » So, how can you see that sign? I mean,
I've driven by many, many times. I've
[44:30] looked at it being curious what's going
on there because of businesses popping
[44:34] up without a permit. Um, and I believe
I'm looking at the west side of the
[44:39] building when I drive by Parker going
north. In fact, I would think I would
[44:42] have to be looking at the west side of
the building. I don't see how there's
[44:45] any possibility of seeing the north
side.
[44:46] » The north side's very visible on the
road.
[44:49] » Okay.
>> Now,
[44:51] there's a lot of trees been moved and
stuff there. Just be straight. This is
[44:57] north, right? That's south. And so,
>> when you're driving south, you can see
[45:01] it.
>> Okay.
[45:04] Right.
Yeah. I'm not sure I see why you need to
[45:07] have two signs on the building, but
Okay. And
[45:11] » is there
I think for safety uh and as long as
[45:15] it's conforming, it's because before
we've had to deny non-conforming with
[45:19] the lighting and stuff on temporary
stuff.
[45:21] » Are they temporary? So, they are
temporary or which one's not? So, I
[45:24] guess that's what we really need the
firm clarity is is that second sign
[45:27] going to come off the building.
>> That's what I just heard as well. I just
[45:31] heard that second sign is not a
permanent sign. It's also a temporary
[45:36] sign.
>> And so its temporary status would also
[45:39] fall in line with the temporary status
of the street signs. So when the
[45:43] permanent sign at the street goes up,
then the second sign on the building
[45:49] would be all disengaged. It would come
down along with the temporary sign at
[45:54] the road.
>> That is for the power to move property.
[45:58] » That is right. So Coventry, the only
question with that is is leave the
[46:04] temporary sign in place for an
additional 120 days until a month.
[46:08] » Has nothing to do with co
It's just power to move. [clears throat]
[46:12] » It's all all these signs are for power
to move.
[46:15] » All right. Okay. I apologize. I thought
that one was in play, too.
[46:19] » No. No.
>> Okay. All right.
[46:21] » No, that's just the entity that owns
power to move. The owning entity is the
[46:26] Coventry.
>> Okay.
[46:27] » For for for traffic and for uh for
stuff. I mean, I would I would support
[46:32] extending it.
>> Oh, yeah. I'll make the motion
[46:35] » with no fees.
>> No fees. Wave the fees.
[46:39] » We didn't talk about the fees, though.
So, it's
[46:43] » Well, we can put it.
>> So, it's 75 a month.
[46:45] » We We can make it for six months.
>> So, they've already paid me $75 once and
[46:50] 150 once for the variance application.
So,
[46:54] That's
>> any more specific clarification if we
[46:57] can work on that as well.
>> So,
[47:01] » can I ask if it's Do we typically not I
think someone said nonprofit do we
[47:06] typically not wave fees or is that like
our standard or is the council's
[47:10] discretion? I feel like it should be a
standard.
[47:11] » Yeah, we're not the council. So, that's
part of the problem with this is that we
[47:15] really I don't I don't know if the board
of adjustment can actually wave fees. I
[47:19] don't know that we even have that
ability.
[47:21] Yeah,
>> I think the council does, but we are not
[47:23] the council.
>> The council would have the governing
[47:25] authority over over policy change
>> or tempor specific policy.
[47:31] » So, we could approve the sign, not
approve the fee waiver and uh push that
[47:36] to council to the to the
>> Okay. Okay. And yeah, in the motion,
[47:42] just make sure that you iterate that in
the motion.
[47:45] » All right. And I'll make a motion.
>> Hold on. Sorry. I'm sorry. I mean,
[47:49] you're saying 5 to 6 months. How
confident are you on that number? 5 to 6
[47:53] months for this
>> be done.
[47:56] » The road the the drive reconstruction is
going to be 50 grand. So, we're going to
[48:04] have to re get the funds together to get
that done.
[48:07] » Are you going to be great regrading the
area and so regrading and bringing in
[48:12] dirt? Are you changing? Is that
currently an easement with drainage
[48:17] through it? Yes.
>> Okay. That's going to change things.
[48:21] » That's going to change things.
>> Okay. So, these are things that that
[48:26] I just we're going to have to be fully
transparent. I understand.
[48:34] So, in in regards to this,
um
[48:40] I would make a motion that we approve
the adjustment to
[48:46] two additional temporary signs of 120
days,
[48:52] both of which
should be scheduled to come down at the
[48:57] end of 120 days
pending a new sign or the permanent sign
[49:03] is built.
[49:06] And secondly, uh that we
u
[49:11] schedule for the council to uh consider
adjustments to the fees for temporary
[49:20] signs.
>> And the only thing I I mean this is the
[49:23] part that I was trying to find is in the
variances. It says we cannot grant
[49:27] variances for commercial signs and
residential zone. And that's part the
[49:30] part that's in limbo. We don't know.
Yeah. Can we have it be pending? We
[49:34] confirm that. That's
>> We will not be able to.
[49:37] » No, we can't.
>> There's not going to be We're not going
[49:39] to be able to confirm that.
>> Yeah. That That is That is another
[49:42] project that is in process that is not
anywhere near uh where we're going to be
[49:46] able to
make that call yet.
[49:50] » Yeah. I I
>> we've been going under the premise that
[49:52] it's not residential.
>> And that's I'm going under the premise
[49:55] that this is a commercial venture. It's
operating as a nonprofit commercial
[49:59] business.
So, it's okay for your neighbor to start
[50:03] a nonprofit put signs up.
>> No, no, I'm not advocating it. It's just
[50:08] an operating
>> currently an operating
[50:11] » not putting signs up. We're extending
signs that are already that have already
[50:14] been approved.
>> It's okay for us to do that. I don't
[50:17] agree with that. I think if my neighbor
has a 16ft sign that they have put up at
[50:21] their house, it's a residence, they
shouldn't be allowed to leave it up.
[50:26] » So, why is it that we can't figure out
the zoning? Why is that? That's a whole
[50:29] map. No mapping issues.
>> There's mapping discrepancy with the
[50:34] third with with a third party.
>> How long is that? Is that long tail on
[50:38] that?
>> We do not have an ETA.
[50:41] » It's a bigger project,
>> but the council has uh approved
[50:47] legal counsel
to for an RFQ to engage with a third
[50:52] party to do to address our maps.
[51:02] So is that
motion that was motion?
[51:06] » So So there was a motion made with
>> Yeah, the motion's made. So you know
[51:11] » the motion that's there is to approve
two temporary signs of 120 days
[51:17] » to extend
>> to extend
[51:18] » extend
>> the two temporary signs to 120 days. And
[51:22] after 120 days, they got to come down
with the new permanent signs being
[51:26] built.
>> Corrected.
[51:29] » We start that counting tomorrow.
>> And uh that would commence as of um what
[51:36] was today's date?
>> 24th.
[51:38] » Commence as of August 25th.
[51:44] » I'll second it.
>> All in favor?
[51:51] I'm having a little hard time.
[51:55] » Nay,
>> I have a hard time.
[52:00] » There's not a tie. Once you have two,
that's it. It's done. They have to have
[52:03] a super majority.
>> Even with the mayor,
[52:06] » he's not the mayor, but even with super
majority, which would be
[52:10] » I don't know if I have a vote. So, you
don't have any authority here?
[52:12] » I don't think I have.
>> You do. You can move. I do.
[52:15] » Yeah, you do. But it has to once you
have two nays, it's over.
[52:19] » Okay.
>> Because it's not super.
[52:21] » Okay. Well, then it will be denied.
>> Motion denied.
[52:24] » Well, no, it's not denied. You have to
actively deny it.
[52:27] » Okay.
>> That's one of the things we've learned
[52:29] with with over the years of doing this
is you have to have an active motion
[52:32] that has to pass.
>> Okay. Oh, that's correct. Okay. I
[52:36] understand what you're saying. Okay. So,
that motion did not pass.
[52:40] » Okay.
>> Do I have any other motions?
[52:44] I
>> if if we don't do anything
[52:46] » then it's denied
>> then it's automatically then the then
[52:50] the current sign permit expires and the
signs come down.
[52:54] » All right.
[52:58] » I don't know that we have enough for I
can I'll motion that we deny I can
[53:00] motion that we deny the variance
request.
[53:03] » Okay. Do I have a second
[53:07] to get over?
[53:12] Okay. Okay.
>> And the reason why is not because of
[53:16] safety. I think it I agree with the
safety issue having sign. I just don't
[53:20] know if we can actually prove it. But
the language here is my concern of the
[53:25] » So
yes, may I suggest a little bit more
[53:31] research?
>> So at this point it's a mpoint.
[53:35] » Right. So then
>> it seems like I'm trying to remember
[53:37] this is why it's nice to have council
here with you. It seems like it seems
[53:40] like you have to supermajority to be
four. You don't have to have a
[53:43] supermajority to deny. That's what I
remember. So you can have just a
[53:46] plurality to deny it, but you have to
have a supermajority to to approve it,
[53:51] » which four out of six is not super.
>> I forget the percentage that's required.
[53:58] » 75%
>> 75% of the board has to hear an item to
[54:02] vote on it, but I don't know if that's
>> it's the same for the approval. And if
[54:06] and if the board is if any of the
members are absent, they count as a nay.
[54:09] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. So four out of six won't do it.
[54:14] » So at this point then
>> so
[54:18] did we have enough votes to deny? We
didn't we didn't have like a plurality
[54:22] because it doesn't have to be a super
majority to deny.
[54:24] » We we didn't have
>> we don't need it.
[54:26] » But I like the idea of maybe we could
research this a little bit more.
[54:29] » Yeah, I think we need a little bit more
research on
[54:30] » table the discussion.
>> You could we can table this and revisit
[54:34] it. Um and
the zoning be right. So that could be a
[54:40] motion where you revisit this. You can
give yourself ample time. Um so you know
[54:46] your next meeting would you could
potentially have your next meeting.
[54:50] » September 14th. And we could well so we
could make a motion
[54:58] » to table um this uh
temporary sign issue until
[55:07] we have u legal counsel
give us suggested u
[55:16] give us suggested options for the um
[55:23] the permitting of this property that's
functioning under a commercial
[55:29] uh exception currently
[55:34] and I guess part of that motion would be
I would direct the mayor to
[55:39] to seek the legal counsel.
>> Oh, Kristen, you you're concerned with
[55:43] some of the language.
>> Yeah. and the variance I'm
[55:46] » so is that it would this motion
accomplish meeting Kristen and that's
[55:51] what I I was trying
>> maybe there's something else in the
[55:54] article that maybe we're not seeing
right now that allows us to do this I
[55:58] guess my concern is over the language
that says not permitted commercial sign
[56:02] or residential zone and if it's
residential then I think we're
[56:04] permitting it
>> I mean do does this give Alex and our
[56:09] mayor the ability the what they need to
then ask council
[56:13] » yeah I think legal reviews so that we
can put this on next month's agenda and
[56:19] address it again.
>> I don't think we need here.
[56:23] » I mean, there's several questions that
came up, you know, so long as those get
[56:28] answered, I suppose.
>> All your concerns.
[56:32] » I've got Okay. So, I've got the motion
to table until legal counsel can be
[56:35] sought regarding the zoning and the
wording of the restriction that you're
[56:40] seeing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was trying to encompass
[56:44] » her concern too with the commercial
>> versus residential
[56:49] » just be able to get that one addressed.
I assure
[56:52] » I I know but I mean but well I was
hoping David David might give us some
[56:56] kind of a
>> I mean some kind of opinion
[56:59] » kind of an opinion saying because this
is this is commercial operation that's
[57:03] currently
actively operating
[57:07] » in this zoned area.
>> It's been acting non-residential for
[57:10] some time.
>> Yes sir. Yeah, I I don't disagree. I'm
[57:13] just in doing it properly.
>> No, I understand. But but I we're asking
[57:17] our attorney to make a determination on
something
[57:21] » to give us
for him. But
[57:24] » I mean, at least let him give us an
opinion
[57:28] » that you know that might make everybody
more comfortable with it.
[57:32] » Is that the only thing we want to ask
him?
[57:35] » That was the only thing.
Yeah, I mean I I need to I guess the
[57:41] only other one I don't understand is why
because usually when a property when
[57:46] they're asking for signs on both sides
of the building or multiple sides of the
[57:49] building, it's because you have roads on
both sides of the building. We don't
[57:52] have roads on all the sides of these
buildings. I don't understand why you
[57:56] need extra signs on, you know, two
different sides of the building.
[57:59] » That's my legal question.
>> Well, that would be an SP. That's a
[58:03] right. So, that would require an SUP to
have an additional signage. It's
[58:08] » okay.
>> But yeah, so you're still in the ZBA.
[58:13] » Yeah. Okay.
>> So So you would have to So in your
[58:17] motion, you would because nobody's
accepted your motion, you can your
[58:22] motion
>> and and with with with Alex kind of
[58:26] guiding you
>> as a refresher.
[58:29] » Yeah. Uh
so right, you can table it for September
[58:34] 14th. for September 14th and bring back
with legal counsel addressing all the
[58:40] council's concerns
>> and that should be
[58:43] » okay. All right, that's fine. Can we
just amend my motion?
[58:48] » Yeah, if you want to say it again for
the record.
[58:50] » Okay. Um then I make u I make a motion
to table the variance from the allowable
[58:57] time of temporary sign placement um
until
[59:03] September 14th. at that time. Seek um
uh legal council's recommendations and
[59:12] or advice on the um suggested wording of
commercial property sign placement at
[59:21] this current operating facility
and supply council with
[59:29] uh suggested course of action.
[59:35] Do I have a second?
>> I'll second.
[59:38] » All in favor? I
>> oppose.
[59:44] Motion carries. Make a motion to be
this. We have a second for the motion.
[59:49] » I'll second [laughter]
[59:53] I'm going to put Robert down. Who wants
to take a second? I'll take Mr. Simmons
[59:57] a second. All in favor? I Mr.