[0:00] 
[2:38] This regularly scheduled
commission meeting
[2:40] of the city of St Pete Beach.
[2:42] It is Tuesday,
January 23rd, 2024.
[2:45] It is 6 PM.
[2:48] Let's stand for the
Pledge of Allegiance.
[2:53] I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America
[2:57] and to the Republic
for which it stands.
[3:00] One nation under
god, indivisible,
[3:03] with liberty and
justice for all.
[3:05] 
[3:09] City clerk, if you will
please do a roll call.
[3:12] Vice mayor Lorenzen here.
[3:14] Commissioner Marriott.
[3:15] Here Commissioner Phillips here.
[3:16] Commissioner Resnick.
[3:17] Here mayor Petrica here.
[3:19] We have a quorum.
[3:20] Thank you.
[3:22] All right.
[3:23] First we have a
presentation of the employee
[3:25] of the first quarter.
[3:26] 
[3:32] By Candace Galloway.
[3:34] Our administrator is going
to make that presentation.
[3:38] Afternoon evening, everyone.
[3:42] We're here to talk for a minute
about Ryan, who works in the IT
[3:45] department diligently, and he's
been here for about two years
[3:49] now he came to us with many,
many years of expertise
[3:55] under his belt in the
municipality format
[3:57] and otherwise very strong in
expertise in Microsoft voice
[4:02] platforms and all
things technology
[4:04] that serve us here at the city.
[4:06] About seven months after
he joined with the city,
[4:09] he became a team of one.
[4:10] So his boss left and Ryan
became the sole supporter
[4:14] for the entire city.
[4:15] And that includes everything
that plugs into a wall that
[4:18] has some technology component.
[4:20] He's on call.
[4:21] So hugely valuable
to the city for us.
[4:25] He services over
100 tickets a month
[4:27] himself, running from
location to location.
[4:30] Very busy guy with a lot to do.
[4:34] Some of you may have
seen him or you may not,
[4:36] but he's the person that
runs all of these meetings
[4:38] on our collective behalf.
[4:40] All the public meetings are
managed and run by Ryan.
[4:43] So phenomenal resource
for us over time and he's
[4:47] been a great resource as I've
onboarded since last January.
[4:50] I came here and I
was stopped regularly
[4:53] to be, you know, people
commending Ryan's experience,
[4:58] his demeanor most often, his
patience with their questions
[5:02] and what they need from him.
[5:04] Everyone has enjoyed
working with him
[5:06] and everybody appreciates
the attitude and work ethic
[5:09] that Ryan brings to the table.
[5:11] So he's actually been nominated
for this award many times.
[5:14] So that should say something
in and of itself that folks,
[5:17] you know, he is a consistent
producer and performer
[5:20] for the city, but he's
also just a solid asset
[5:23] from a day to day perspective.
[5:25] So as I mentioned, he's a
strong expert in technology,
[5:30] but he's also a
dedicated individual.
[5:33] He is consistent.
[5:34] He's very focused on his work
and the customer outcomes
[5:38] and ensuring that he solves
the problems that are at hand
[5:41] in a very quick fashion.
[5:43] If he can't figure
it out immediately,
[5:44] he keeps cool under
pressure and he
[5:46] goes back to his desk and sorts
out a solution that may, may
[5:50] or may not work and comes back
to solve the problem for you
[5:53] and pretty quick fashion.
[5:54] So, you know, from
my perspective,
[5:56] I onboarded and he was
very patient with me.
[5:59] There were a lot of things
about municipality work
[6:01] that I had to get
up to speed with,
[6:03] and he's been a huge asset
for that from my perspective
[6:06] as well.
[6:06] So just a huge resource for us.
[6:09] Very happy to have him,
glad that he's acknowledged
[6:11] in this capacity, big
contribution for the city
[6:15] in an ongoing basis.
[6:16] So we're proud of him.
[6:18] Congratulations,
Ryan, and we're just
[6:19] happy to have him on the team.
[6:20] 
[6:30] And Ryan would come out if
he wasn't stuck in a cubicle
[6:32] running this meeting.
[6:34] 
[6:38] Thank you.
[6:40] All right.
[6:41] Do we have any amendments
to the agenda, please?
[6:46] Yes, mayor, I have one.
[6:49] Um, I'd like to pull
item five B. I have
[6:52] some additional
questions that I need
[6:55] to meet with the
company on that,
[6:58] so I'd like to pull
that item for tonight.
[7:00] Bring it back at a later date.
[7:03] Thank you, mayor.
[7:05] Yes, I did receive one person
that wanted to sign up.
[7:08] John, since it's being pulled,
did you still want to provide
[7:13] comment or wait until.
[7:14] OK I just wanted to
make sure you knew.
[7:16] OK Thank you, mayor.
[7:19] The only other thing
I would mention
[7:20] is that we did get a request
from the attorney for seven b,
[7:27] which is a quasi
judicial hearing
[7:30] on a conditional use permit
asking for a continuance.
[7:34] Brandon that's right.
[7:35] Right still correct?
[7:36] Yeah and I don't know if you
want to take care of that
[7:38] up front in case people
are here for that item,
[7:42] we would re notice
it and schedule it
[7:46] for another meeting.
[7:47] We can move that to right
after audience comments.
[7:50] OK, perfect.
[7:51] Thank you.
[7:52] So that's seven b?
[7:56] Yes, sir.
[7:56] Yes, sir.
[7:57] 
[8:04] Come here.
[8:04] Yes I also wanted to add
an item for discussion
[8:09] about attendance
for the commission.
[8:14] For me.
[8:15] Particular for time off
day and meeting in Zoom.
[8:20] So just a discussion,
I would like to add.
[8:21] 
[8:32] So the attorney that we're
going to have a discussion
[8:35] about a date for the next.
[8:38] Yes, we can put it
as a discussion item
[8:40] or I was going to bring
it up during my report,
[8:44] but we can make it
a discussion item.
[8:45] So I guess that would be C like
eight C the executive session.
[8:50] 
[9:01] Thank you.
[9:02] Any other amendments?
[9:04] Mayor, I'd like to
add a discussion item,
[9:07] possible action item
regarding accommodations
[9:10] for the special city commission
meeting on February 21.
[9:15] I've received some
concerns from residents
[9:18] about having enough space
and alternative options
[9:21] potentially.
[9:23] OK all right.
[9:34] And the other amendments.
[9:37] Do we have a motion to
approve the agenda as amended?
[9:42] I move to approve the
agenda as amended.
[9:45] I second.
[9:46] City clerk do you feel
pleased to a roll call?
[9:48] Commissioner marriott?
[9:49] Yes commissioner Felts.
[9:50] Yes commissioner Reznik.
[9:52] Yes vice mayor Lorenzo.
[9:53] Yes mayor Petrica.
[9:54] Yes motion carries.
[9:56] Thank you.
[9:57] 
[10:00] Do we have any
audience comments?
[10:03] Tom Rask.
[10:04] 
[10:08] If you'll please state your
name and address for the record.
[10:11] Tom Rask unincorporated.
[10:13] Tom Rask unincorporated
Pinellas County.
[10:16] You just had an
executive session inside
[10:19] of a open meeting and that
did not adhere to the CLIA
[10:25] requirements of the statute,
which means that the meeting
[10:29] was out of the sunshine
and any meeting,
[10:33] the cure for any Sunshine
Law violation is clear.
[10:36] You disclose the contents of
the meeting, you will see here
[10:40] and the material
that's on the screen
[10:43] is it says all meetings at which
official action will be taken
[10:48] are declared to be
public meetings.
[10:50] And you go down here,
there's an exception
[10:52] for executive session provided
that the following conditions
[10:55] are met.
[10:56] Those conditions were not met.
[10:58] And I gave the city
attorney and the mayor
[11:01] a folder laying this out
after the executive session.
[11:06] Let's look at the notice
for your April 26th, 2022,
[11:13] almost two years ago.
[11:15] Executive session there.
[11:17] The meeting, the special meeting
and executive session were
[11:21] noticed and I wish it would have
said notice of, but it didn't.
[11:25] But both were noticed.
[11:27] Now look at the
notice for today.
[11:30] There's that word notice.
[11:31] Thank you.
[11:32] It appears.
[11:33] But notice of
executive session only.
[11:36] So therefore, the meeting, the
open meeting was not noticed.
[11:41] The executive session was opened
inside of the open meeting.
[11:44] There's another problem that
occurred during the meeting,
[11:47] and that is that the city
attorney did not follow what
[11:52] the statute requires,
which is that the city
[11:56] attorney, the entity's
attorney, shall advise
[11:58] the entity at a public meeting
that he or she desires advice
[12:02] concerning the litigation.
[12:03] That did not happen.
[12:04] That also did not happen at
your meeting two years ago.
[12:08] Here are the minutes.
[12:09] Nowhere does it say it again.
[12:14] You get to keep the
records exempt, provided
[12:18] that the following
conditions are met.
[12:20] They were not met.
[12:22] I talked to the city
attorney briefly
[12:24] here between the previous
meeting and this meeting,
[12:28] and I said, look it over.
[12:32] Uh, I hope you'll see it my way.
[12:34] So we can avoid a lawsuit.
[12:36] Because if you just simply
disclose in the sunshine,
[12:39] preferably tonight what occurred
at the executive session, then
[12:44] we can avoid a lawsuit.
[12:46] Public records lawsuits
require five days notice.
[12:50] Chapter 286 lawsuits do not.
[12:52] So I hope the city attorney
has looked it over.
[12:55] I hope that at least some of
the members of this commission
[13:02] will now ask the
tough questions.
[13:04] And by the way, I have no
idea whether the entity that
[13:08] has sued you over
the commission,
[13:10] whether it's lawfully seated,
whether they think this what
[13:13] I'm doing now is a good idea.
[13:14] I don't care.
[13:15] I'm all about the process.
[13:16] City did not follow the process.
[13:18] Thank you.
[13:20] Thank you.
[13:21] Do we have any other
audience comments?
[13:23] John kurzman.
[13:24] 
[13:29] If you'll please state your
name and address for the record.
[13:33] John kurzman.
[13:34] On the way South.
[13:35] 
[13:43] Good I just wanted to talk
briefly about the flood
[13:49] ordinance, because
at the last meeting
[13:51] it wasn't an action
item, so there
[13:53] was no comments, which
means that we're still back
[13:55] at what was decided at
the prior meeting, which
[13:58] was that eventually there will
be some sort of open community
[14:01] meeting where people can
talk publicly and ask
[14:04] questions and discuss it.
[14:06] If you're really
going to move ahead,
[14:07] I hope you don't
move ahead on it.
[14:09] But if you do, just some quick
reasons why there's a concern.
[14:13] And one of the big concerns was
that the whole reason that FEMA
[14:18] entices people to raise their
houses or one of the ways
[14:22] they entice them is they say,
well, if you raise your house,
[14:24] you won't have to follow
the 50% rule anymore.
[14:28] But the way this new
ordinance was written,
[14:30] it doesn't make it clear
that that's the case.
[14:33] So if you even look
at our old checklist
[14:36] for fema, substantial
improvement package requiring
[14:38] all structures built prior to
1971, because automatically,
[14:43] if they were built
prior to 71, they
[14:44] would not have been compliant.
[14:47] Or then you go
through the process.
[14:49] Also houses are
already grandfathered.
[14:55] So there was talk about in that
first meeting that you could
[14:58] this was to help save
money on people's money,
[15:00] on their insurance.
[15:01] Well, according to the
fema, once you're in
[15:05] and you're compliant,
even if the rules change,
[15:08] the ratings change, you
are still going to have
[15:11] your insurance preserved.
[15:13] So at least that's the
way the current FEMA
[15:15] documents appear to be written.
[15:17] Next, there was a
question about, well,
[15:20] how much will we save if we
go through all these hoops?
[15:22] We change all these rules
which could affect people
[15:25] and cost them a lot of money.
[15:26] What will it save us?
[15:28] Well, I looked at the community
status report for Florida.
[15:32] There's 500
communities in Florida.
[15:34] Only 250 of them are in FEMA.
[15:37] We're a category six,
as was discussed.
[15:40] If you go to category
five, we save 5%
[15:43] If you go to category
four, you save
[15:45] another 5% That's your savings.
[15:47] Secondly, if you look
and I put a spreadsheet
[15:51] together on a calculated how
many there are, there's only.
[15:54] 
[15:57] Here's a spreadsheet.
[15:58] If we were going to be if
we get ourselves to category
[16:02] four, which we were told was
the goal, to go up two levels,
[16:06] we would be in the
top five communities
[16:08] in the entire state.
[16:10] There's only four communities
in the entire state of Florida
[16:13] that are category 4 or better.
[16:15] Do we really think that our
existing community could,
[16:18] could really do that?
[16:20] That's a lot of work.
[16:22] So I just think that
we need to start slowly
[16:26] try to get to maybe
category 5 and really
[16:28] think about what the cost and
the impact to the citizens are.
[16:31] In trying to do this.
[16:32] You need to understand
what those costs are.
[16:34] Also, there was
talk about saying
[16:36] that the floodplain
administrator
[16:38] could use any map.
[16:39] That just sounds like anarchy.
[16:41] We have to pick what map
is used for each property.
[16:44] And it mentioned
the Pinellas map.
[16:45] And the Pinellas map
says 2040, 20, 72,100.
[16:49] And, you know, you
got to pick which
[16:51] model you're going to use.
[16:53] Thank you, sir.
[16:53] Just stick to FEMA.
[16:54] So thank you very much.
[16:56] Thank you.
[16:58] City clerk to any other
audience comments.
[17:00] Thank you.
[17:02] All right.
[17:03] Next, we have item 7 B.
Quasi judicial hearing
[17:10] and resolution 2020 324.
[17:14] Hi Tim Driscoll
Driscoll law firm 146
[17:17] second street, North St Pete.
[17:19] 310 As the city
attorney stated, we
[17:22] are asking for a
continuance of this matter
[17:24] till March 26 at 6:00 PM.
[17:27] A date certain, and
we would request
[17:29] that you make that continuance.
[17:33] Thank you also.
[17:34] So if you all don't know,
he used to be the city
[17:37] attorney for Saint Pete Beach.
[17:38] Yes, I was for back
in 2004 to 2007.
[17:44] Worked worked with at
the mayor at that time
[17:47] was warden for chilowsky,
who was on this commission
[17:49] until recently.
[17:51] So is there a reason
for the continuance?
[17:56] Well, Yes.
[17:57] The pending lawsuit regarding
the makeup of the commission,
[18:02] I believe, will be
resolved, at least
[18:04] as it pertains to districts
1 and 3 by that date.
[18:09] And so that's why
we're asking for that.
[18:11] And then hopefully
between now and that date,
[18:15] the remaining issues in that
lawsuit will be resolved.
[18:18] So we don't want to
have any approval that
[18:21] could be jeopardized by the
makeup of the commission,
[18:24] quite frankly.
[18:25] So that's the basis
for our request.
[18:27] OK And you do
understand that district
[18:31] 1 and 3 are not in contention?
[18:33] I do.
[18:34] OK I do.
[18:35] Just because that's
a recent development.
[18:38] So yes, exactly.
[18:40] No, I do know that.
[18:41] And it doesn't change my opinion
about the validity issues.
[18:45] So sounds good.
[18:49] Any questions or comments?
[18:52] Do we have a motion?
[18:53] I do have one public comment.
[18:56] I have one person
signed up to speak,
[18:57] but I'd like to read the
title into the record, please.
[19:00] Certainly resolution 2324,
a resolution of the city
[19:05] commission of the city of
St Pete beach, Florida,
[19:07] approving a conditional use
permit pursuant to Section 35.3
[19:11] Perron B Perron three of the
land development code to allow
[19:15] the permanent establishment
of a semi pervious commercial
[19:17] parking lot at parcel
number 063216081180000470
[19:25] with an address of
5090 Gulf Boulevard.
[19:29] Incorporating the
conditions outlined herein
[19:31] and providing for
correction of scrivener's
[19:33] error and an effective date.
[19:35] And I do have Kim Peterson
signed up to speak.
[19:40] I do have a question.
[19:42] Is on the issue of
continuance or not?
[19:47] No OK.
[19:48] OK all right.
[19:49] I just wanted to ask.
[19:50] Great Thank you.
[19:51] City clerk.
[19:52] Thank you, commissioner.
[19:55] My question is how I'm a
little confused as to one
[20:00] thing relating to the
other and why you would
[20:03] feel that it would be done.
[20:06] One issue that doesn't
relate to yours and that
[20:09] would make it better in March.
[20:11] Well, you have four
seats that are in doubt
[20:15] because of a pending lawsuit.
[20:17] So in my opinion, after the
election date, the scheduled
[20:22] election date in march,
two of those seats
[20:25] are no longer in doubt.
[20:26] So that means you have
at least three seats that
[20:29] are under no cloud whatsoever.
[20:32] The remaining two seats
still are under that cloud.
[20:35] Unless that gets
resolved, it's our hope
[20:37] that you get that
resolved by March 26th,
[20:40] and we can be comfortable
that we have a full, fully
[20:43] seated five duly
elected commissioners
[20:48] or duly appointed in some cases.
[20:50] 
[20:58] Is it OK if we all have
a discussion about this?
[21:01] Sure sure.
[21:02] I mean, the decision of 1
you're basing and I'm talking,
[21:10] I guess, to the commission,
I don't know if you all
[21:13] have questions
about this or not,
[21:15] but I don't see how one
relates to the other.
[21:21] You know, currently is
that location still running
[21:25] a business as a parking?
[21:27] So they're waiting
for this approval?
[21:29] Yeah, there's nothing going
on currently right now.
[21:31] They're willing to sacrifice
that to get through this issue.
[21:36] OK now, is there outstanding
I want to say citations,
[21:43] but I know that there
was issues at that lot
[21:46] that haven't been addressed.
[21:47] So, I mean, I don't think it's
a justice to the residents
[21:52] to wait off on something
when there's something that
[21:54] may still be pending
that, you know,
[21:56] I really wanted to get into.
[21:58] So I just want to
have that discussion.
[22:02] I can tell you that there are
no current citations or anything
[22:05] against the property.
[22:06] 
[22:15] I want to make sure I
understand what's on the table.
[22:17] So are we basically
discussing whether we
[22:19] approve or disapprove
a continuation
[22:21] in lieu of some other movement?
[22:24] Correct Yes.
[22:26] OK the request is to
continue the item to March.
[22:30] 
[22:34] I think that as in this
instance where, you know,
[22:38] they're looking for
approval for a use that
[22:41] is currently not being used.
[22:43] You know, there's nothing
happening on that lot
[22:46] that you would need
permission for currently
[22:49] that if their request
is for the continuance,
[22:55] regardless of any of
our personal feelings
[22:58] about the validity of the
reason for the request,
[23:01] I don't know that there's any
real compelling reason to not
[23:06] grant that if that's what
the property owner is wishing
[23:10] well based on what he said.
[23:13] Sorry that's OK.
[23:14] But what you said is.
[23:16] 
[23:19] The validity of and
I'm assuming you're
[23:21] waiting to March because
that's when the election
[23:23] would have taken place.
[23:25] But we also have an election
that's coming in August,
[23:28] right, because there's two
appointed positions here.
[23:30] So why March and not august?
[23:33] Well, August would probably
be better, but march,
[23:37] we don't want to push it
out that far is really
[23:40] the short answer to that.
[23:41] We'd rather just it's already
going to impede them somewhat,
[23:47] not to be able to
use the parking
[23:48] lot in the beginning of March
when the spring break begins.
[23:52] So they're already
going to sacrifice that.
[23:54] I don't think that they
can afford to sacrifice
[23:56] all the way out to August.
[23:58] So this is a compromise
between before,
[24:01] you know, between doing
that and going in March.
[24:04] And we still hope that
this will get resolved.
[24:08] And our hope is that
in the next two months,
[24:11] we'll get some resolution
and this will no
[24:13] longer be an issue for anyone.
[24:15] And this is just my opinion.
[24:17] You vote for this
continuance, you're
[24:18] not agreeing with anything
that I'm saying with regard
[24:21] to this other matter that has
nothing to do with this matter,
[24:24] as you correctly pointed out.
[24:25] So we're just asking you to give
us this reasonable continuance
[24:28] to allow us to have more
faith that the decision
[24:32] will continue to be upheld.
[24:35] Now, from my
understanding, we don't
[24:37] have to give the continuance.
[24:39] And again, I'm basing
this off of the reason
[24:42] why you're requesting it.
[24:43] 
[24:46] From that reason,
there are still
[24:48] two seats then that were
appointed that wouldn't
[24:51] be addressed till August.
[24:53] So I still don't see and
the financial hardship
[24:57] or whatever the reason
why spring break is coming
[24:59] is not the point.
[25:01] You know, if that's the reason,
then why not wait till august?
[25:07] Well, we could.
[25:08] But again, at that
matter, because you're
[25:10] six months out, you know, if
you know, I'll leave it at that.
[25:18] Mr mayor, if I could.
[25:20] Certainly I see the validity
of both your concerns
[25:23] and Commissioner Marriott.
[25:25] Personally, after
listening to everybody,
[25:27] I don't have any issues
with continuing this.
[25:30] That's my opinion.
[25:32] Subject to a vote.
[25:34] And just to be clear, I
mean, I know he's attorney
[25:38] Driscoll's mentioning
a date, but it
[25:40] would have to be re-advertised.
[25:42] So, you know, we
typically don't continue
[25:47] things constantly to a
date certain to avoid
[25:50] advertisements.
[25:51] So this one would have
to be re-advertised.
[25:53] And we understand that.
[25:54] OK do we have a motion?
[26:00] 
[26:03] I'll make a motion to approve
continuation of resolution.
[26:10] What do we have here?
[26:11] Conditional use permit
2369 and variance
[26:14] 23 068 59 de Gaulle Boulevard.
[26:19] Do we have a second?
[26:22] Second did you want to?
[26:26] I don't know if you would
just add that March 26th date.
[26:30] That would be great.
[26:32] He's seeking to be
heard on March 26.
[26:34] So if you want to
amend your motion,
[26:37] is that a committee
meeting already scheduled?
[26:41] That's a commission date.
[26:42] That's a commission
meeting date.
[26:43] Yeah, I'll amend that
motion to approve
[26:46] what I've already
said to continue
[26:48] that until March 26th, 2024.
[26:52] Do we have a second
for the amendment?
[26:53] Second So we're
going to vote on just
[26:58] the Amendment to the
main motion on the floor
[27:00] like Mayor had just said.
[27:02] So the Amendment is to
add the March 26th, 2024.
[27:07] Commissioner Fultz.
[27:08] Yes commissioner Reznik.
[27:10] No vice mayor Lorenzen Yes.
[27:13] Commissioner Marriott Yes.
[27:15] Mayor Petrella.
[27:15] Yes motion carries.
[27:17] Thank you and roll call
for the actual motion.
[27:21] So the main motion,
commissioner Reznik pardon?
[27:26] I'm sorry.
[27:27] I was now voting on
the motion to approve
[27:29] the continuation
for the case number
[27:31] and address to March 26th.
[27:33] No vice mayor Lorenzen.
[27:35] Yes commissioner Marriott.
[27:37] Yes commissioner Fultz.
[27:38] Yes mayor Petrella.
[27:40] Yes motion carries.
[27:41] Thank you all very much.
[27:42] 
[27:46] Next we have item
five, a appointments
[27:50] to outside agencies.
[27:52] City clerk.
[27:53] 
[27:55] Thank you, mayor.
[27:56] So as we discussed
at the last meeting,
[27:59] this is something
that we bring up
[28:01] typically after the election.
[28:03] And I've listed out all of
the different outside agencies
[28:07] and leave it up to you all
to discuss who can do what.
[28:12] And and I will make that chart.
[28:15] 
[28:18] Well, I'll be the
canary in the mine here.
[28:21] I kind of looked at how
the previous commission
[28:25] did things, mostly with
respect to the mayor
[28:27] and the vice mayor.
[28:29] So I would throw
out on the table
[28:32] that I could become the
alternate for the mayor
[28:36] on the big see, be the
representative for the FLC
[28:41] and be the alternate for the
mic pc, if that makes sense.
[28:47] Mayor, if I may.
[28:49] Certainly I'd be
interested in the Tampa
[28:51] Bay regional Planning Council
as far as the representative.
[28:56] OK and I would be interested
in the flood insurance.
[29:02] And I would.
[29:02] And second on the league if
someone else takes primary.
[29:06] 
[29:08] So what is that?
[29:09] That leaves the Suncoast league
of cities spot for the primary,
[29:13] I believe.
[29:14] And I would be fine
with that If if I'm
[29:17] hearing everyone correctly.
[29:19] I think that's.
[29:20] Yep, Yep.
[29:22] City clerk did you
catch all that?
[29:23] OK, so I have the mayor
is the primary for big C
[29:29] and mayors council obviously
with the understanding
[29:32] that for now, vice
mayor you're going
[29:36] to be attending the
big c, but you will be
[29:40] documented as the alternative.
[29:43] Then I have you're
also a vice mayor.
[29:47] You're also, as the
representative on Florida
[29:49] league of cities
and the alternate
[29:52] for the mayors council.
[29:54] Commissioner fields, you will
be the primary for Tampa Bay
[29:56] Regional and
Commissioner Resnick
[30:00] or the flood insurance rep
and Commissioner Marriott.
[30:06] You are on the Pinellas County.
[30:09] No, sorry.
[30:10] You're on the Southern
Coast league of cities.
[30:12] Yes so what do you guys want to
do for alternates for the big C
[30:21] is the only one that we have.
[30:22] And mayors council
for me was the Florida
[30:25] league of cities for alternate.
[30:27] 
[30:30] Anybody for the Tampa Bay
regional Planning Council.
[30:33] Sure OK.
[30:34] 
[30:42] So that leaves Pinellas
County Flood insurance.
[30:46] I can be an alternate
for that one.
[30:48] 
[30:52] Suncoast won league of cities.
[30:56] Who wants to be the
alternate for that?
[30:58] 
[31:02] Flood you don't want to have to.
[31:09] OK which was the
one that you needed.
[31:12] Suncoast I can do that one
too, if you want to put a name.
[31:16] 
[31:25] All right.
[31:26] So then I just need a motion to
approve the board appointments,
[31:30] as discussed.
[31:31] 
[31:34] I move to approve the board
appointments as discussed.
[31:38] I second.
[31:39] City clerk, if you'll
please do a roll call.
[31:41] Commissioner reznik?
[31:43] Yes vice mayor Lorenzen.
[31:45] Yes commissioner Marriott.
[31:47] Yes Commissioner Phillips.
[31:48] Yes mayor Petrica.
[31:49] Yes motion carries.
[31:51] Thank you.
[31:52] Next, we have resolutions
seven, a resolution 2023 23
[31:57] public records requests policy.
[31:59] City clerk.
[32:01] Thank you, mayor.
[32:02] Resolution 20 2323.
[32:05] A resolution of
the city commission
[32:06] of the city of St
Pete beach, Florida.
[32:08] Finding the necessity to adopt
a policy and fee schedule
[32:11] concerning public
records requests
[32:13] consistent with
Florida statutes.
[32:14] Chapter 119 providing
for definitions
[32:18] of applicable public records,
providing for a basic fee
[32:21] schedule for
production of copies,
[32:23] providing for a reasonable
special service charge when
[32:26] applicable, providing
for severability,
[32:29] conflict, correction
of scrivener's error
[32:31] and an effective date.
[32:33] Thank you.
[32:35] So this public records policy
is something that the city
[32:41] has had since I came on board.
[32:43] I wrote a policy, but I wanted
it to be more formally adopted
[32:47] and that's why I'm
bringing it forward
[32:49] in the form of a resolution.
[32:50] I've prepared a training
PowerPoint with a test
[32:56] that, I will hand out to the
employees if this gets adopted.
[33:00] And then I would like
to do that every year
[33:02] with the current employees.
[33:04] And then of course, when
new hires are on board.
[33:07] So it just follows the statute
and our current practice
[33:12] as well.
[33:12] 
[33:16] Questions or comments.
[33:19] Yeah, if I can.
[33:21] City clerk is there
anything materially
[33:25] that changes this
from the resolution
[33:28] that it's superseding?
[33:30] So the prior
resolution, the policy
[33:33] did not include we did not
use just FOIA platform then
[33:40] and it didn't go into depth
on the process for redactions
[33:46] and the types of public
records requests.
[33:49] It was more of a records
management policy
[33:53] with some tie-in of the statute
regarding the definition
[33:56] of what a public record is,
that ultimately the clerk's
[34:00] office or myself is designated
as the public records custodian
[34:03] because we have to
do that per statute.
[34:05] However, this also
articulates to the employees
[34:08] that you are also
custodian of your record.
[34:11] Like I'm not everywhere, right?
[34:13] So if someone were to come
in to the permit office
[34:16] and want a copy of their permit,
I mean, they can essentially
[34:19] do that and not have to
contact me because they are
[34:21] the custodian of that record.
[34:23] So it kind of talks
about that stuff.
[34:25] The fees that was same as prior.
[34:28] I did change the copy data
for the USB flash drive
[34:31] and the CD prior, you know,
dated CDs were more of a thing.
[34:36] And now you're not supposed
to be charging to make money.
[34:39] You're supposed to
be the actual cost.
[34:41] So it's $0.50 and $3 for a
USB and that's very rare,
[34:45] but everything else
is per statute.
[34:47] Also, this one is talks
about special service charge.
[34:52] So the prior policy
was 15 minutes.
[34:55] So anything over 15 minutes,
we charged the hourly rate
[34:59] of the lowest paid
employee that's
[35:00] competent enough to complete
the public records request.
[35:03] I don't particularly like that.
[35:05] I think that public records
fulfillment is part of your job
[35:09] as a public officer,
and it's what you
[35:11] do when you're in government.
[35:13] So I upped it to 30 minutes.
[35:16] I feel like that's
pretty reasonable.
[35:17] Most records requests can
occur within 30 minutes
[35:21] and we don't charge
anything 30 minutes or less.
[35:24] So we also have
identified that in here
[35:26] and that is a change too.
[35:28] Thanks city clerk.
[35:33] I apologize.
[35:34] I had a little trouble
hearing all of that
[35:35] because you're way over in
the corner pocket there.
[35:37] Sorry so other than adding a
few items to the fee schedule,
[35:42] are there any big
price changes or.
[35:44] OK Thank you.
[35:45] No, nothing increased.
[35:47] OK Nope.
[35:48] 
[35:53] Any further comments.
[35:54] Discussions audience comments.
[35:56] I have no cards.
[35:57] Yes oh, I'm sorry, John.
[35:59] You can fill this
out while I was OK.
[36:01] John kurzman, come to the floor.
[36:05] Come on down.
[36:08] I support this change.
[36:09] And, you know, I
think it's important.
[36:11] Of course not.
[36:11] Please state your name and
address for the record.
[36:14] John kurzman, 5810
Highlander way South.
[36:17] Thank you, sir.
[36:18] I'm not speaking on behalf
of the beach stewards.
[36:21] One thing I just
want to mention,
[36:23] though, is that
there's public records
[36:26] that you have to
request via this FOA
[36:30] that sometimes you
wouldn't realize.
[36:31] I mean, I've asked questions
just about my home,
[36:34] and I think it was the building
department or someone said,
[36:36] OK, well, I just have to put
that in through the FOIA.
[36:39] It's a public records request.
[36:41] And then I've sent in letters,
communications with people
[36:46] due to the city commission
and for instance,
[36:49] things that were sent
to the city commission
[36:52] are in the public record, but
they're not up on the website
[36:57] where people can see it.
[36:59] So I had sent in my
presentation about flood
[37:03] management for a prior
meeting, but it's
[37:06] nowhere on the website.
[37:07] So for anyone who ever wanted
to even know that it existed,
[37:10] they would have to do a
public records request.
[37:13] And it seems like that
would be extra work.
[37:16] So it's my suggestion that
maybe it would be less work
[37:19] and it's just related
to the spirit of this.
[37:21] If there was some
way that the things
[37:23] that are sent to
the city commission
[37:24] or the various commissions
for our public meetings
[37:27] and also in the spirit
of the Sunshine Act
[37:29] that we're trying
to know, if there's
[37:32] a communication that's
being made to everyone
[37:33] who is on a commission.
[37:35] Yes, it's in the public record
if someone knows to ask for it.
[37:39] But maybe it would be
nice if this information
[37:41] would get instead because
we have a great website.
[37:43] It's amazing.
[37:44] I mean, it's better
than any website
[37:46] I've ever seen for a public
community already, really.
[37:49] But if there's some way we could
also have the communications
[37:52] because also, as an example, the
most recent thing when I just
[37:56] went into address foia,
and this is fantastic too,
[37:59] that you can go and do a
search of what every other FOIA
[38:01] request has been.
[38:03] So before I went and did
a request for freebie,
[38:05] for instance, I went in and
did a search on anybody else,
[38:09] had done a freebie request.
[38:10] Unfortunately, I
didn't know freebie was
[38:12] two words, so I didn't find it.
[38:14] But but, you know, so people
could do that too, to take
[38:17] the load off of the staff.
[38:19] Always they could search first.
[38:21] But so what I'm getting at is
that we have this great tool,
[38:25] but when I look at Serrata,
which we all were told to do
[38:27] to get ready for
the Serrata meeting,
[38:29] the most recent Serrata
just FOIA result,
[38:35] I think, and I have
it on my phone,
[38:36] but it just locked up on
me was the most recent one
[38:41] was November 18th, 2023.
[38:45] So if anyone had communicated
after November 18th,
[38:47] 2023 with staff.
[38:49] You weren't going to see
that information if you went
[38:52] to the justice-for-hire site,
as everybody was told to do,
[38:54] to get ready for the
last public meeting.
[38:56] So that's an issue we need to
address that kind of thing,
[39:00] too.
[39:01] So if there's some way we
can get that kind of thing
[39:04] automated somehow, to not have
to be a manual process where
[39:08] when people are sending
these communications
[39:09] in for a public meeting or
something like a key topic,
[39:13] it can get into that place.
[39:16] It might help make
the system, you know,
[39:18] a little smoother and easier.
[39:20] Thank you.
[39:20] Thank you, sir.
[39:23] Any other public comments?
[39:24] Tom rask, if you'll
please state your name
[39:28] and address for the record.
[39:30] Tom Rask.
[39:31] Tom Rask in Pinellas County.
[39:33] I've been trying to download
this resolution on my phone,
[39:36] but it's apparently
a large agenda
[39:38] packet, so I haven't seen it.
[39:40] But some of the language
here is concerning.
[39:42] It does say fee
schedule concerning
[39:46] public records requests
consistent with Florida
[39:48] statutes.
[39:49] Chapter 119, which is the
Florida public records law.
[39:53] But then it has
language after that
[39:55] saying providing for definitions
of applicable public records
[40:00] you don't get this agency
doesn't get to decide
[40:03] what's a public record.
[40:04] The statute does.
[40:06] Case law does.
[40:07] Et cetera.
[40:08] Then it says for it's I'm
looking for the language
[40:12] at providing for
reasonable special service
[40:14] charge when applicable.
[40:16] I from memory that's not
authorized by statute.
[40:20] So I again I haven't
seen the resolution,
[40:23] but I'd encourage you to
ask for ask about this.
[40:29] I see things like severability.
[40:30] Is the person supposed to enter
into some kind of agreement
[40:33] with the city?
[40:35] That's also that
would not be lawful
[40:39] because we have a constitutional
Florida constitutional right
[40:44] to public records.
[40:45] We also have a statutory right.
[40:47] You can't make people agree
to any terms of service.
[40:50] You can't even make
them fill out a form
[40:52] or tell you why they're
asking for the public records.
[40:56] So those are The
concerns I have.
[40:58] Thank you.
[40:59] Thank you.
[41:00] 
[41:03] OK I'll make a motion to
approve resolution 2023.
[41:12] Dash 23.
[41:13] Public records request policy.
[41:15] 
[41:18] A second.
[41:20] City clerk, if you'll
please do a roll call.
[41:23] Vice mayor lorenzen?
[41:24] Yes commissioner Marriott.
[41:25] Yes commissioner Fultz.
[41:27] Yes commissioner Reznik.
[41:28] Yes mayor Petrella.
[41:30] Yes motion carries.
[41:31] Thank you.
[41:32] Thank you.
[41:32] 
[41:37] Next we have item
eight, a sovereign
[41:41] submerged lands easement renewal
discussion and possible action.
[41:46] City manager.
[41:47] Public service director
Clark is here, I believe.
[41:50] 
[42:01] Mike Clark.
[42:02] Mike Clark, public
works director.
[42:05] A sovereign,
submerged land lease
[42:07] is a very common and
routine document that says,
[42:11] essentially the Lessor
US has something that's
[42:16] in under or on top of the
waters of the state of Florida,
[42:20] the waters of the United
States of America.
[42:22] There is a survey that
documents the boundaries
[42:25] of where that object is.
[42:28] And there's an agreement between
the state and the individual,
[42:32] in our case, the municipality,
that we'll do our part
[42:35] to make sure that, you
know, the use is correct
[42:38] and it doesn't change.
[42:39] And the state will do their
part to document it to make
[42:41] sure that boats don't hit it.
[42:43] Or if it's an interstate
navigable waterway,
[42:46] it's on the charts and
things of that nature.
[42:48] This is a renewal.
[42:50] The original did expire.
[42:52] So I called the state
agency, the point of contact
[42:56] that manages these things.
[42:58] And she stated that
happens from time
[43:00] to time with municipalities
because of meetings
[43:03] and schedules and such.
[43:04] It is not a problem
on their part.
[43:05] The state will backdate
the date on their side.
[43:12] Great Thank you.
[43:16] Questions, comments, discussion.
[43:19] I have one, Mr Mayor.
[43:20] So this is zero cost
to the taxpayer, right.
[43:22] And it's already, I
think, Florida DEP
[43:24] land that owns this.
[43:27] There's no.
[43:28] Thank you.
[43:28] 
[43:34] City clerk in the
audience comments.
[43:36] I have no cards, mayor.
[43:40] Do we have a motion?
[43:42] I'll make a motion to accept
the sovereignty submerged lands
[43:45] easement renewal and
authorize the mayor
[43:49] to sign for submittal to
the Florida Department
[43:50] of Environmental Protection.
[43:53] Do we have a second?
[43:55] Second city clerk, if you'll
please do a roll call.
[43:58] Commissioner Marriott.
[43:59] Yes Commissioner Purfeerst.
[44:00] Yes commissioner Resnick.
[44:02] Yes vice mayor Lorenzen.
[44:04] Yes mayor Petrica.
[44:05] Yes motion carries.
[44:07] Thank you.
[44:08] Next we have item 8 B.
Commissioner Resnick.
[44:11] Regarding commission
meeting attendance.
[44:13] Yes I wanted to bring this
up, of course, because
[44:17] of all the things that have
been transpiring that I
[44:21] wasn't privy to, obviously.
[44:24] So I didn't know how it
was going to conflict.
[44:26] Two things that I already
had on my schedule.
[44:30] I will not be able
to attend February.
[44:33] And sorry, I'm bringing this
because I know we already
[44:36] have a set calendar and I
wasn't a part of determining
[44:40] a calendar for
commission meetings
[44:42] because I wasn't here
obviously, back then.
[44:44] But February 13th, I
have it's my last day
[44:50] as president of the
property owners corporation.
[44:53] It's our annual meeting,
it's on our bylaws.
[44:55] We have an election.
[44:57] So, you know, the gavel
is being passed over.
[45:01] And so I cannot miss that.
[45:04] So I will be missing this.
[45:06] So I'm not going to
be asking for Zoom
[45:07] or anything crazy
because it happens
[45:09] to be at the same
exact time, 6 PM
[45:13] so I just wanted
to bring that up.
[45:14] But in that, you know,
as in my employment,
[45:19] I set my time off way
in advance because we
[45:23] have to plan it that way
when the school year starts.
[45:26] So I have a March 12th
and a June 25 date
[45:30] because our fiscal year
goes to June, June 30th,
[45:34] you know, the end of
the month of June.
[45:36] And then we start
off again in July.
[45:37] So we always have to plan out.
[45:39] So I have that marked as
my time off from work.
[45:44] I have not planned
anything, so I don't know
[45:47] if I'm going to be on a plane.
[45:48] I don't know if I'm going
to be doing anything.
[45:50] I haven't gotten that far.
[45:51] So my question was about
whether I could partake.
[45:55] I may be able to
participate in Zoom.
[45:58] I know there's been discussion
here in the about Zoom
[46:01] or teams, whichever
platform it is that we use.
[46:05] I know it doesn't count towards
quorum, but we can vote.
[46:10] I don't know if there's ever
been a resolution as to there's
[46:14] been some discussion, so I just
wanted to bring it to the table
[46:17] so that we could talk about it.
[46:19] 
[46:24] So maybe I'll remember.
[46:27] Maybe the city clerk
could remind us
[46:29] of what the if what the
commission has done in the past
[46:33] and if there's any of that
has been codified in any way,
[46:38] or if it was just an agreement
amongst the commission.
[46:41] So nothing has been
adopted by the commission.
[46:44] I presented it in
November of last year.
[46:47] My research and my discussion
with the city attorney and I
[46:51] wrote a memorandum to the
commission based on that.
[46:55] Basically what's been
happening is the mayor
[46:58] announces when he's
been the only one
[47:00] to participate from on Zoom.
[47:03] So what he has been doing
is announcing it like Betty
[47:06] or Commissioner
Resnick just did.
[47:07] And then it's notice that he
would be attending via Zoom.
[47:11] And that's just the
way we've been doing it
[47:13] until we have some other formal
process adopted but not allowed
[47:19] to vote.
[47:19] Right if you're zooming
mayor does vote.
[47:24] He has voted and
that does count.
[47:26] 
[47:28] Does this need to be codified?
[47:30] Andrew?
[47:31] it does not.
[47:32] I mean, you can
I think the clerk
[47:35] did a nice job on the memo.
[47:37] 
[47:40] Ironically, there's actually
a bill in Tallahassee
[47:42] where they're
actually considering
[47:45] giving local
governments the ability
[47:47] to hold meetings virtually.
[47:49] I think, two or
three times per year.
[47:52] I'm assuming it has
to do with the summer
[47:54] break or something like that.
[47:56] But, you know, we can
keep you posted to that.
[47:58] But generally
speaking, the law is
[48:01] that you have to have an
in-person quorum present
[48:07] and that, you know, the reason
for attending electronically
[48:14] is warranted.
[48:18] Obviously, we
would have to know,
[48:19] what I do is, depending
on what's on the agenda,
[48:23] like if there's a quasi judicial
hearing that's on the agenda,
[48:26] you know, we have
to take extra steps
[48:28] to make sure that, you know,
disclosures are made that you
[48:32] affirm that you have
everything in front of you,
[48:37] that, you know, the
information is there.
[48:39] So that whoever's voting is
voting with full knowledge
[48:42] of information.
[48:43] So we really just kind of
handled it on a case by case
[48:46] basis because it's not illegal.
[48:51] You know, the attorney general
opinions kind of go back
[48:55] in time and don't really
keep up with technology,
[49:01] to be honest with you, because
I think when the first ones
[49:03] were issued, it was
about telephones
[49:07] and attending by telephone.
[49:09] So the technology is
very different now.
[49:12] So, you know, we can codify it.
[49:16] I'm not sure if
you want to or not.
[49:19] I mean, I think so far
we've been able to handle it
[49:21] on a case by case
basis, you know,
[49:25] to make sure that and now
the Zoom does work very good.
[49:30] Maybe a year and a half ago,
it was not working very good
[49:34] and we were having
trouble with it.
[49:36] So it hasn't been a
problem doing that.
[49:41] 
[49:46] This brings up actually
another point that we discussed
[49:51] at the end of last year, and we
said we were going to revisit
[49:54] it earlier this year.
[49:57] We had a conversation about
looking at July, August.
[50:02] And putting the meetings at
the front end and the back end.
[50:06] So we're required to have
two meetings per month.
[50:09] So I think one of
that would actually
[50:12] fix your third meeting,
right, potentially.
[50:18] So I think what we talked about
was scheduling two meetings,
[50:21] either back to back two days
in a row or maybe a week apart
[50:24] in the first week,
early July, and then
[50:27] having the next commission
meeting seven or eight weeks
[50:30] later.
[50:33] We'll still have to have
the 27th of August meeting
[50:35] because that's going to be
right after the election.
[50:37] And then there'll
be the swearing in
[50:39] and everything else.
[50:42] So looking at the
calendar, I mean,
[50:44] we could depending on what
the commission wanted to do,
[50:46] we could do July 2nd and
we have a ninth scheduled.
[50:52] For example, we could
do July 1st and second,
[50:56] eighth and ninth,
and then we could
[50:57] do the same thing in August.
[50:59] 
[51:02] I mean, those are
some options that
[51:05] would give some
people, especially
[51:06] those with kids in school and.
[51:09] Some time.
[51:10] Do you take time off?
[51:11] And if I remember
Commissioner lorenzen,
[51:16] you're going to be out as well.
[51:17] So that'll solve some of
those times off as well.
[51:24] So I'm not sure if that's the
conversation we want to have.
[51:26] Now as part of
this conversation.
[51:28] Well, at least I'm
putting it out there,
[51:31] so at least we all could
individually, personally
[51:33] go look at our calendars and
if there is something before we
[51:35] start playing again
with the calendar
[51:38] because we can change the date.
[51:40] Right so as long so
maybe we could do that
[51:43] at the next commission meeting,
maybe come prepared to if we,
[51:48] if I'm not asking to have to
move it, but because, you know,
[51:51] we really haven't been
able to talk about this,
[51:55] maybe we can come prepared to if
we need it, to move somewhere.
[51:59] That's that's a good point.
[52:00] City clerk if you different
one is February 13.
[52:02] Let me just say Yeah Yeah Yeah
we can add it for discussion
[52:06] for next commission
meeting and then everyone
[52:08] can look at their calendars
between now and then
[52:10] and see come prepared with
some dates that are available
[52:13] or not available.
[52:14] Do you want me to put it?
[52:15] Since commissioner
Reznik will be
[52:17] out for the February 13
meeting, do you want me to put
[52:19] it onto the February 27th?
[52:21] No, we should have
it without her.
[52:22] Here, make the decisions.
[52:27] Then I'll come to that
meeting and say, that's fine.
[52:32] OK mayor.
[52:34] Excuse me.
[52:35] Just one thing.
[52:36] As you're looking
at your calendars,
[52:37] if specific times that
you need to be out
[52:41] or would like to be out, if
you could give that information
[52:45] either to the
clerk's office to me
[52:46] prior to that meeting, because
there are certain meetings
[52:49] that we need to have and
certain staff requirements
[52:52] we need to have.
[52:53] So if we could have
some idea ahead of time,
[52:56] ahead of that next
discussion, then
[52:58] we could make sure that it meets
all of our other requirements.
[53:04] Thank you.
[53:07] Yeah, I've got a general
question on that.
[53:09] How far in advance do we
need in order to change
[53:11] a commission meeting date?
[53:14] I would prefer seven days.
[53:16] OK you can do 72 hours.
[53:18] OK Thanks.
[53:19] 
[53:22] OK Any other discussion on this?
[53:26] OK, next we have item 8
c, the executive session.
[53:32] Thank you, mayor.
[53:33] Pursuant to section 286
.011, subparagraph eight,
[53:43] when the city
attorney wants to have
[53:47] your advice in an
executive session,
[53:50] I need to announce that
at a public meeting.
[53:53] This is a public meeting, so
I'm announcing it specifically.
[53:57] It says the entity's
attorney and the city
[54:01] would be the entity shall advise
the entity at a public meeting
[54:05] that he or she desires.
[54:07] Advice concerning
the litigation.
[54:09] The litigation that
I'm referring to
[54:12] actually is two of them.
[54:14] One would be Saint
Pete Beach advocacy
[54:18] group, et Al versus the
City of Saint Pete Beach.
[54:21] They have sent me today
this afternoon a letter
[54:28] with a settlement
offer and I need
[54:32] to circulate that to you all.
[54:34] But in order for us to discuss
it in an executive session,
[54:39] we need to schedule that.
[54:41] And as I said, I need
to request that meeting
[54:45] here at a public meeting.
[54:47] The other development is
red, white and blues versus
[54:52] City of Saint Pete Beach.
[54:53] That's relating to a cup
conditional use permit.
[54:58] Defense counsel who is
working on that with me
[55:02] has had some verbal discussions,
I believe, with opposing
[55:06] counsel, and I'm hoping that
maybe we can get something
[55:10] in writing officially
from them by the time
[55:14] that we meet so
that we can discuss
[55:17] both potential settlements
and in an executive session.
[55:22] So I have spoken
to defense counsel
[55:31] that the city is using for
protect Saint Pete Beach
[55:36] advocacy group
versus St Pete beach,
[55:38] and they have indicated to
me that the best time would
[55:44] be the earliest would be on.
[55:49] I think it was February 6 that
next week would be too quick.
[55:55] One of them was not available.
[55:58] And then on top of
that, we need to also
[56:02] prepare for our own
answer to that complaint.
[56:07] I will remind you or let
you know that I had informed
[56:12] opposing counsel for that case
a while ago when we scheduled
[56:18] this, the executive
session that we had
[56:21] today, that we were having
an executive session just
[56:24] so for the very
reason that perhaps
[56:27] we could get her
proposal earlier
[56:31] rather than this afternoon.
[56:33] So I'm suggesting that we
have that executive session
[56:39] on the sixth.
[56:42] Definitely to talk about
the protect Saint Pete Beach
[56:47] advocacy group
case and hopefully
[56:50] the red, white and
blues case as well.
[56:52] 
[57:00] There's no way to
make this sound good,
[57:02] but I would like
to have it sooner.
[57:05] And the reason for this is
because, you know, no offense
[57:09] to all the attorneys out there,
but I've seen how they operate.
[57:12] The second you hand
them something,
[57:13] they're like a dog with
a bone and they go out
[57:16] and it's billable
hours going forward.
[57:19] And I'm not saying
that they're going
[57:20] to go out and spend hundreds
hours in the next two weeks.
[57:23] I just they're going
to go 100 miles an hour
[57:25] to prepare for this, prepare for
that, do all this other stuff.
[57:28] We're going to
spend a ton of money
[57:30] in the next two weeks versus if
we try to do this concurrently
[57:34] and say, you know, what we
talked about earlier was having
[57:37] a meeting much sooner, maybe
within the next week, 10 days
[57:41] or so, so that we're
not burning all
[57:44] of this capital on
the defense if we come
[57:48] to some kind of resolution.
[57:50] 
[57:53] And then again, I have no way
of making that sound good.
[57:56] It's just I. I've seen it enough
times where the second you hand
[58:01] an attorney something,
they put every associate
[58:03] on it, every paralegal on it.
[58:05] Again, I don't that's what
I would do because you're
[58:07] going to have to prepare.
[58:09] But you know, if we
give them two weeks,
[58:10] we're going to get two
weeks worth of billing.
[58:12] If we're going to
give them a week,
[58:13] we're going to get the
week's worth of billing.
[58:16] Well, I mean, I know
that's your assumption.
[58:19] It's not necessarily
the truth, but I'm just
[58:25] saying that what with
conferring with them,
[58:27] I was told that the primary
attorney assigned to this
[58:31] was not available
starting the 31.
[58:36] And I believe that Commissioner
was not available on the 30th.
[58:42] So the primary attorney
that was assigned
[58:46] is not available from the
31 through the second.
[58:51] And quite frankly, that is
a fairly quick turnaround.
[58:55] But if you want to have that
executive session on the 30
[58:59] with me, happy to do it.
[59:02] 
[59:05] I'll spend time and
money preparing for it.
[59:08] 
[59:10] Mayor, please go ahead.
[59:14] I kind of get what
Adrian's saying,
[59:15] but I also know that I mean,
they got a when they invoice,
[59:20] they're going to be saying
what they're invoicing for.
[59:22] So with that, you can limit
what I want to say limit.
[59:28] But if the hours for
preparing for a meeting
[59:31] is going to be viewable.
[59:33] Right, we're going to
see an invoice that
[59:34] says we're billing five hours
to prepare for this meeting
[59:38] or review whatever.
[59:40] You know, I think
we could kind of
[59:43] contain anything going crazy.
[59:46] know, we're not going to
see the bill or the invoice
[59:48] until after we can
give after the fact.
[59:50] Correct?
[59:52] maybe.
[59:53] I mean, if they know
that we're going
[59:57] to have a meeting on the sixth.
[59:59] I mean, but we still understand
that once a lawsuit is served,
[1:00:05] the mayor has been served.
[1:00:07] So the clock started.
[1:00:09] We have a certain amount of
time to file something in court
[1:00:14] and that needs to be done
and they need to do it.
[1:00:19] They're not going to
schedule depositions.
[1:00:21] They're not going to
schedule discovery.
[1:00:24] They're not going to schedule
all the pre-trial things
[1:00:28] within a week.
[1:00:30] I think they're
going to be focused
[1:00:32] on making sure that
we timely file,
[1:00:35] what we're supposed to file.
[1:00:37] Starting from the
time that the mayor
[1:00:39] was served with the lawsuit.
[1:00:40] 
[1:00:43] And again, I'll remind you, I
mean, they I specifically made
[1:00:48] it clear to opposing
counsel that we're having
[1:00:51] this executive session so
that we would get something
[1:00:54] in a timely manner if
they were going to come up
[1:00:56] with something.
[1:00:57] You know, they chose to provide
it to me this afternoon.
[1:01:02] And frankly, I don't
feel comfortable.
[1:01:06] I mean, I, I gave you
the synopsis of it,
[1:01:10] but I don't feel comfortable
giving you legal advice on it
[1:01:14] right now.
[1:01:16] But I'll know, like I
said, it's your will.
[1:01:20] I highly doubt that you're
going to have an entire law
[1:01:24] firm working on this
particular case between now
[1:01:29] and the sixth and
billing, you know,
[1:01:33] an enormous amount of money.
[1:01:34] And remember, the half of
it's almost half of it's
[1:01:38] covered by your
insurance carrier
[1:01:40] anyway, maybe an in between.
[1:01:44] I mean, I'm looking
at the calendar
[1:01:45] and I think we were first
looking at the 31 and now
[1:01:49] maybe the sixth.
[1:01:50] The difference between those
two things is 3 working days.
[1:01:54] So I don't know.
[1:01:56] When I look at that,
I'm kind of the six
[1:01:58] seems to be a better
compromise in my mind.
[1:02:01] It's not really a compromise.
[1:02:03] We're just agreeing on a date.
[1:02:05] But would you like to call it?
[1:02:06] It just seems like
a good go between.
[1:02:10] Well, go between
would be halfway,
[1:02:12] which would be like the 31
that would be accomplished.
[1:02:16] So again, I think as we
had discussed earlier,
[1:02:21] I think it's prudent
of us to move forward
[1:02:24] faster rather than slow.
[1:02:25] Two weeks seems slow to me.
[1:02:27] So what were you proposing?
[1:02:28] I must have missed it.
[1:02:30] I proposed as early as the 30th.
[1:02:33] Well, we already said that's
a no go for a couple of us.
[1:02:36] Or for at least one of us.
[1:02:38] Yep and then apparently
the other attorney is not
[1:02:40] available after the 31st, so.
[1:02:45] Is that correct?
[1:02:46] He's not available on
the 31 and going forward
[1:02:48] until the sixth the second.
[1:02:50] I think that's what he said.
[1:02:52] And meeting with him,
31 to the second.
[1:02:58] He's not available.
[1:02:59] He's not available?
[1:03:00] No he's not available
on the second
[1:03:03] or could he be
available on the second?
[1:03:05] Oh, my God.
[1:03:05] I'm seriously.
[1:03:07] Why don't we just do it on
the 30th and I'll advise you.
[1:03:10] You know, like, if.
[1:03:12] Yeah, if I. If I may be coming.
[1:03:13] A little frustrating to
me, I think represent you
[1:03:16] as an attorney and,
and to be pushed back
[1:03:18] on constantly to have a
meeting on a serious issue
[1:03:22] and to rush it.
[1:03:23] So let's do it on
the 30th and I'll
[1:03:28] give you the advice, Matthew.
[1:03:31] Yeah I was just going to say,
the way the statute is laid out
[1:03:34] is this is a meeting
that we are calling
[1:03:37] to talk to you about that we
need to feel prepared for.
[1:03:40] And I can understand
the urgency to do this,
[1:03:42] but this isn't a special meeting
that we're setting to discuss
[1:03:46] a development or an ordinance.
[1:03:48] This is something that we are
advising you we need to do.
[1:03:51] And I just think it's
prudent that we're prepared.
[1:03:54] And we've just
disclosed the fact
[1:03:56] that the attorneys that we just
appointed are not available.
[1:03:59] So the 31 the first the
second are not feasible dates.
[1:04:03] We can do it the week of
the sixth or we can do it.
[1:04:07] Like we did today at 4:30
before the 13 meeting.
[1:04:10] But now miss Resnick
is not available, then.
[1:04:13] But I just wanted to
mention that because we
[1:04:15] need to be prepared as well.
[1:04:17] There's no point
of having a meeting
[1:04:18] and not discussing anything.
[1:04:20] If I may, I think that I,
as somebody who has worked
[1:04:28] for myself my whole life, I
certainly understand the desire
[1:04:32] to once you decide to
do something, to do it
[1:04:35] as quickly as possible and,
you know, make a decision
[1:04:38] and move forward.
[1:04:40] I also think that once
we've agreed to hire someone
[1:04:45] to act as our counsel, there
has to be some amount of trust
[1:04:48] involved in that relationship.
[1:04:50] And if we're going to
assume that they are.
[1:04:55] Just billing us for the most
money they can to no good end.
[1:05:00] Then we probably shouldn't have
hired them in the first place.
[1:05:04] And so I'm.
[1:05:06] Did you hear anyone say that
they're going to be billing
[1:05:08] for no apparent reason at all,
especially after they lecture
[1:05:11] this for 20 minutes on
how time is of the essence
[1:05:15] and we need to move fast.
[1:05:16] And then the same
people that told us they
[1:05:18] can move fast cannot move fast.
[1:05:20] I'd like to remind you
that what we discussed
[1:05:22] in the executive
session this was
[1:05:23] before the executive
session started, just
[1:05:26] a friendly reminder.
[1:05:27] What was discussed in
the executive session
[1:05:28] is not a public record and
it was outside of the public.
[1:05:32] Thank you.
[1:05:34] So anyway, it's as the
city attorney said,
[1:05:37] we're not going anywhere.
[1:05:39] So fifth, sixth, seventh,
let's pick a date.
[1:05:43] Mayor, if I may, I
mean, we're talking
[1:05:45] about a week difference.
[1:05:47] What I was trying
to get at, Andrew,
[1:05:48] I was just trying to understand
if the second was available
[1:05:51] or not.
[1:05:52] I think the sixth is a
reasonable amount of time.
[1:05:55] I'm good with the sixth.
[1:05:58] I'm good with the sixth, too.
[1:05:59] Did he give a time?
[1:06:02] No, it's open.
[1:06:04] OK so do you all
prefer mornings?
[1:06:09] Afternoon?
[1:06:11] 4:00, I think, is the earliest.
[1:06:13] 
[1:06:16] Yeah, I'm good with that.
[1:06:19] All right.
[1:06:19] 4:00 on the sixth.
[1:06:23] Do we need a motion or
do we just schedule it?
[1:06:26] You could just schedule it, but.
[1:06:27] All right.
[1:06:28] So we're going to schedule
an executive session
[1:06:30] for February 6 at 4:00 PM.
[1:06:32] 
[1:06:37] And the two items, I guess,
will update the agenda
[1:06:40] once we figure out
whether red, white
[1:06:42] and blues is going to be ready
or not to have a conversation.
[1:06:44] Yep.
[1:06:45] OK.
[1:06:45] Hopefully we can do
both, but we'll see.
[1:06:48] OK, easy enough.
[1:06:51] All right.
[1:06:51] Next we have action
item 8 D. Sorry
[1:06:54] discussion item 8 D the February
22 meeting for the Cerrado.
[1:06:59] I think there's a discussion
about the location.
[1:07:03] I think it's I believe
it's February 21.
[1:07:07] 21st February 21.
[1:07:09] Yeah I've received some
emails and just general
[1:07:12] concerns about having enough.
[1:07:16] Public viewing area
seating available.
[1:07:20] Maybe city manager
could comment on that.
[1:07:25] Sure just, you know, I being
in February with the weather,
[1:07:29] we might not be able to
have a TV set up outside,
[1:07:32] whether it be rain cold.
[1:07:33] So sure.
[1:07:35] Be glad to.
[1:07:37] Actually, we discussed this
internally a couple of days
[1:07:41] ago back on the
December 5 meeting.
[1:07:46] We had 57 seats
available in here.
[1:07:50] Of course, we had other seats.
[1:07:51] You know, we have a
maximum number of seats,
[1:07:54] but we had a certain number
of seats for the applicant,
[1:07:56] certain the commission,
but we did have
[1:07:58] 57 available seats in here.
[1:08:01] But then we also opened up
the upstairs lobby as well as
[1:08:06] the upstairs large
conference room,
[1:08:08] which gave us another 44 seats.
[1:08:11] So it gives us a
total of 122 seats.
[1:08:15] And then of course, we had the
outside area that we set up.
[1:08:19] And February is
probably not going
[1:08:21] to be a good time to do that.
[1:08:23] But I was informed by the
people who were actually working
[1:08:26] that area that the majority
of those people, almost all
[1:08:30] of those people left
after the first hour.
[1:08:32] They either migrated
inside or left.
[1:08:35] We did go ahead and
look at the other option
[1:08:40] that has been
discussed in the past,
[1:08:42] which is the community center.
[1:08:44] And, you know, as
we've discussed before,
[1:08:46] there's a lot of
challenges to that.
[1:08:48] It's not set up for
a public meeting
[1:08:49] as far as amplification,
microphones,
[1:08:52] Zoom acoustics are a problem.
[1:08:56] But we did we did look
to see what we would need
[1:08:59] to do if that was a
decision or the direction
[1:09:02] we wanted to go in.
[1:09:04] We did find a
company that could do
[1:09:06] all of the technical things
that need to be done over there,
[1:09:10] which is pretty significant.
[1:09:12] But in order to really
conduct a public meeting,
[1:09:16] the way it needs to
be conducted, provide
[1:09:18] for the zoom, provide
for the recording,
[1:09:21] everything we would need to
the cost is around $8,000
[1:09:25] to do that for that one meeting.
[1:09:28] So we followed that up
with our staff going
[1:09:31] over looking at the maximum
capacity of that room,
[1:09:35] did the same thing.
[1:09:36] We did in here, looked at how
much room would be taken up
[1:09:40] for that equipment that
would have to come in,
[1:09:42] how much room would be taken up
to some kind of a portable dais
[1:09:46] as well as podium.
[1:09:48] And where we ended
up with that was we
[1:09:54] would have
approximately 120 seats
[1:09:57] available in that facility.
[1:09:59] So we really don't gain any
seats by moving over there.
[1:10:03] And the other problem
with that is it
[1:10:05] would really be two
days of disruption
[1:10:08] for that facility, which
is that's the time of year.
[1:10:11] It's used a lot.
[1:10:13] But, you know, they would have
to have one day for the company
[1:10:16] to come in to Setup everything
up the following day.
[1:10:18] They would have to
be demobilizing.
[1:10:20] So there's really
not a big there's not
[1:10:25] any benefit of actually
trying to move over
[1:10:27] there and spend that $8,000.
[1:10:30] And so, you know,
my recommendation
[1:10:32] is we do exactly what we
did with the last meeting
[1:10:34] except for the outside.
[1:10:37] And we could at the
last minute, if we
[1:10:40] see that it's going to be good
weather, we could, you know,
[1:10:43] put something out there
for any type of overflow.
[1:10:46] But that's my recommendation.
[1:10:48] 
[1:10:56] Well, it kind of
makes sense to me.
[1:11:00] I don't see the
bang from the buck
[1:11:02] they're spending $8,000 for.
[1:11:05] And I can kind of see a lot of
technical glitches occurring
[1:11:08] and it just being kind
of a strange setup.
[1:11:10] And if we also do
that, we're kind
[1:11:12] of setting the marker for every
time there's a large action
[1:11:14] item, we got to go
spend another 8,000
[1:11:17] to move everybody
over there each time.
[1:11:18] So I'm not saying it's worth
all that extra money and effort.
[1:11:22] 
[1:11:28] I tend to agree with that.
[1:11:30] I'd say I'd
certainly be prepared
[1:11:32] to put a TV outside in the
event the weather may be great.
[1:11:36] So I'd certainly do that.
[1:11:38] We can do that.
[1:11:39] We are.
[1:11:40] We already figured
out how to do it.
[1:11:42] So we could move quickly if
the weather was OK for that.
[1:11:46] Can I ask also, since we did
do this already before, we've
[1:11:51] already looked at
any of the glitches
[1:11:52] that might have happened before
and are able to address it.
[1:11:55] So it doesn't happen
in the future.
[1:11:57] So are there any
processes in place
[1:12:00] to make it more efficient
for public comment or.
[1:12:03] You know, there is a delay.
[1:12:05] I know because I've
been in the lobby,
[1:12:07] there's a delay in
what's being said here.
[1:12:11] But it's like, what,
maybe two minutes?
[1:12:13] Three minutes?
[1:12:13] I'm not sure what the delay
is, but there is a delay
[1:12:16] when you're in the lobby.
[1:12:17] I don't know if it's more
so out in the parking lot.
[1:12:20] But yeah, there is a slight
delay, you know, from that.
[1:12:24] But it didn't seem to
cause a problem with,
[1:12:26] with conducting the business.
[1:12:29] 
[1:12:40] So unless there's any other
ideas or discussion on it,
[1:12:43] you know, I would just suggest
we move forward with that plan.
[1:12:47] 
[1:12:50] Thank you.
[1:12:50] 
[1:13:04] All right, next, we have
item 9 C. City clerk.
[1:13:12] Yes Thank you, mayor.
[1:13:13] So I have a couple of things.
[1:13:15] The first thing is,
so I and my staff
[1:13:20] do a telecommuting from time
to time based on scheduling
[1:13:24] and 1 to two days a week.
[1:13:26] And there is a form
to authorize that.
[1:13:30] And because you guys
are all my supervisor,
[1:13:33] I was going to ask if there's
consensus to allow the mayor
[1:13:36] to sign the authorization for
my telecommuting 1 to two days
[1:13:40] a week as schedule allows.
[1:13:43] And to sign Jenny, deputy
city clerk Jenny Botkin
[1:13:46] and administrative
assistant Ariana Wilson
[1:13:49] to do the same as
schedule allows.
[1:13:52] And of course, if there's any
other issue that may arise,
[1:13:55] but it's always
communicated to you,
[1:13:57] if there's a long term issue, a
week or two, that might occur.
[1:14:02] So if I have no
objection, I'll just
[1:14:04] take that as a
consensus to allow
[1:14:06] the mayor to sign those forms.
[1:14:10] If I could piggyback onto
that, if you don't mind.
[1:14:13] So I'd also, in addition to
that, so the prior commission
[1:14:22] well, first of all, I report
to the commission, the manager
[1:14:27] reports to the commission
and the clerk reports
[1:14:28] to the commission.
[1:14:29] So in order to get these
types of things approved,
[1:14:32] we have to do it this way.
[1:14:34] But you know, what I
would ask in addition
[1:14:39] to the telecommuting, is to
authorize the mayor to work
[1:14:43] with the clerk as needed.
[1:14:46] You know, she
obviously works late
[1:14:50] into the night on a
lot of different things
[1:14:52] and has flex time, has,
you know, different things.
[1:14:58] And so she has.
[1:14:59] And in order to accommodate the
time off that she needs coming
[1:15:02] up when she has a personal
medical issue that,
[1:15:07] you know, instead of
having to raise it here
[1:15:10] every time at the commission
that you authorize the mayor
[1:15:14] just to work directly with her
to accommodate that, you know,
[1:15:17] so that she's got the
appropriate and necessary
[1:15:21] amount of time to
deal with the things
[1:15:24] that she has to deal with.
[1:15:28] Yeah Thank you.
[1:15:31] Thank you, Andrew.
[1:15:31] Yep the only other thing
I wanted to mention was I
[1:15:34] updated the city's
general website to discuss
[1:15:39] the August special election.
[1:15:41] So that is uploaded onto
the city clerk's page
[1:15:45] and there will be an
advertisement in the newspaper
[1:15:47] in April 2nd as required
by statute to announce
[1:15:51] the same and one
qualification books are ready
[1:15:53] and as required by our code.
[1:15:55] That is something
that must be purchased
[1:15:57] prior to running for office.
[1:16:00] And I also updated
that there will
[1:16:02] be no city municipal election.
[1:16:04] I understand that there is still
a primary presidential primary,
[1:16:08] but that is not a city.
[1:16:10] So I've had a few
questions about that.
[1:16:12] The polling locations
will be open, both Warren
[1:16:15] Webster and community center.
[1:16:17] But again, that has nothing
to do with me or you.
[1:16:20] All that is solely based on
the supervisor of elections
[1:16:23] and based on whatever party
someone's affiliated with.
[1:16:26] So that's been updated as well.
[1:16:28] Amber, just to note, I think the
Warren Webster is still closed.
[1:16:34] It's we are opening it for
the they're going to do
[1:16:37] it for the primary in March.
[1:16:38] And we have a contract with
the supervisor of elections.
[1:16:42] So yes, seven a to 0.07
pounds and that's all I have.
[1:16:47] Thank you.
[1:16:48] You included a fourth, did you?
[1:16:53] Yeah Thank you.
[1:16:54] So for all the
new commissioners,
[1:16:57] we do lobbyist reporting
and you've seen the emails
[1:17:01] with the registrations for
2024 copy of the fillable log
[1:17:06] to keep track of that report is
due by these individuals listed
[1:17:11] minus the ex commissioners
every quarter
[1:17:15] at the end of every quarter.
[1:17:16] And a reminder, email goes out
with another blank attachment,
[1:17:20] a reminder of who is registered
and a due date of the tenth
[1:17:23] of the following month.
[1:17:25] So these were the
fourth quarter.
[1:17:27] End of the quarter
was December 31.
[1:17:29] Filers were requested to
turn in a report or an email
[1:17:32] stating none by January 10th.
[1:17:36] And so I prepare
my office, prepares
[1:17:37] a report for your reviews
at a commission meeting
[1:17:40] soon thereafter.
[1:17:41] And I only send one reminder.
[1:17:44] I don't I don't keep going.
[1:17:46] So you see what you see.
[1:17:48] 
[1:17:50] Do you mind if I can just
piggyback on that real quick?
[1:17:53] To all the lobbyists who
registered that are watching
[1:17:56] this at the first
of the year, you're
[1:17:58] required to reregister,
pay a new fee,
[1:18:00] fill in a new application.
[1:18:02] I have told as many attorneys
as I can as a kind reminder,
[1:18:05] but if you were a
lobbyist last year,
[1:18:07] you're required to file another
application as of January 1st
[1:18:10] this year.
[1:18:11] 
[1:18:15] I think we need to
add a discussion
[1:18:17] to the next commission
meeting about this
[1:18:22] because I'm looking
at the city clerk sent
[1:18:25] me a copy at my request
of the Q3 report as well.
[1:18:30] And this is extremely.
[1:18:34] Distressing that we
have at the moment.
[1:18:38] Two board members on
the planning board.
[1:18:41] Now, these are the
individuals who
[1:18:43] hear all the cup applications.
[1:18:47] We did not fill out
Q3 report still,
[1:18:51] and they still haven't
filled out Q4 report.
[1:18:54] Now, these are individuals
who are hearing,
[1:18:57] you know, at hearings directly
from lobbyists in their.
[1:19:01] And we have no idea
who you're talking
[1:19:03] to because you're not filling
out a simple report that
[1:19:05] takes two seconds.
[1:19:07] And I think the commissioners
need to look I'll
[1:19:12] look at my appointees as well.
[1:19:14] And especially the
repeat offenders.
[1:19:17] I mean, that's.
[1:19:18] Six months.
[1:19:20] You can fill out the report.
[1:19:22] Come on.
[1:19:23] These these are
grounds for removal.
[1:19:25] I think.
[1:19:25] And this is a discussion
I think we need to have
[1:19:27] about those individuals.
[1:19:28] Because you're now actively
violating a city ordinance.
[1:19:33] OK, that's fine.
[1:19:33] I can add that.
[1:19:34] And then I'll go
ahead and add all
[1:19:36] of the supporting
documentation for 2023,
[1:19:39] all reports quarter one
through quarter four.
[1:19:40] So you can see consistency.
[1:19:43] 
[1:19:46] Thank you, city clerk.
[1:19:49] City manager.
[1:19:49] 
[1:19:55] Wayne anything?
[1:19:56] No, Thank you.
[1:19:57] All right.
[1:19:58] She's looking at my notes.
[1:19:59] Make sure you just.
[1:20:00] You just shocked by the time
that we have on the clock.
[1:20:05] City attorney?
[1:20:07] No, sir.
[1:20:08] Enough for one night.
[1:20:10] Done enough damage
for one night.
[1:20:13] All right.
[1:20:14] District four.
[1:20:15] Yes Thank you, mayor.
[1:20:16] A couple of things.
[1:20:18] First of all, there's a
planning board vacancy.
[1:20:21] Melinda Pletcher resigned
about a week or so ago,
[1:20:24] so we're actively recruiting
for a replacement on that.
[1:20:28] So I guess the way
it works is let
[1:20:30] me know when the
other commissioners
[1:20:31] know if you're interested.
[1:20:34] So we hope we can get that
filled with the consent
[1:20:37] of my fellow commissioners.
[1:20:40] The trash pickup issue for
pass-a-grille that you're all
[1:20:44] very familiar with by now
is just getting hotter
[1:20:46] and hotter from the residents.
[1:20:48] So what I'd like to
do is on the 13th,
[1:20:53] add that to the agenda to
have another presentation
[1:20:56] by either the city
manager or Mike Clark
[1:21:00] to give us an update on
where we're at with that.
[1:21:02] And I'm hoping there's some
kind of partial interim solution
[1:21:06] wrapped into that so we can
get that at least partially
[1:21:09] solved along the way here.
[1:21:12] The other thing is dog park, for
those listening at Hurley park
[1:21:16] has been torn apart.
[1:21:18] They're putting in
irrigation and they're
[1:21:20] going to give grass a try.
[1:21:21] So we'll see how that all goes.
[1:21:23] But that's actively
happening right now.
[1:21:25] They should be done
with that within a week.
[1:21:26] I'd say kudos to
Jennifer and Mandy.
[1:21:30] I hope I got the
right department.
[1:21:31] Parks and rec, the sand
that's been overflowing
[1:21:35] the seawall between first and
4th Avenue and pass-a-grille
[1:21:39] said dog park.
[1:21:40] It's gotten really bad.
[1:21:41] I mean, it looks like
winter out there.
[1:21:43] It's just blowing in
drifts across the street.
[1:21:45] And I think the folks
from parks and recs
[1:21:48] have already started putting
up 4 by 4s with wooden planks
[1:21:52] to keep that sand at
Bay until they can
[1:21:54] come up with a better solution.
[1:21:56] So my compliments to them
for listening to our problems
[1:22:00] with that and the residents
down in pass-a-grille with that.
[1:22:03] Lastly, I am going to hold on
7th February, kind of a meet
[1:22:08] and greet for district four
residents at Hurley park,
[1:22:12] so that'll be between 5 and 6
PM I'm going to try and do it
[1:22:16] the first and third
Wednesday of each month.
[1:22:19] But for February
21st, we all know
[1:22:22] we're here, so that won't
be happening that date,
[1:22:24] but that'll be at Hurley
park between 5 and 6 PM
[1:22:27] and we'll put that
out on some kind
[1:22:29] of announcement with the
city clerk's assistance.
[1:22:33] That's all I have.
[1:22:34] Thank you, mayor.
[1:22:34] Thank you.
[1:22:35] District three.
[1:22:37] Yes so a couple of
meetings from my district
[1:22:42] that are up and coming, one
being the annual meeting
[1:22:45] for the neighborhood, which
is February 13 at 6:00
[1:22:49] PM the Lido association
also reached out to do
[1:22:54] very similar meet and greets.
[1:22:56] So I've had different
neighborhoods reaching out.
[1:22:59] Maybe I should have done
one and do everybody.
[1:23:02] But so I do have that
one for and it's not
[1:23:06] confirmed most definitely,
because I know they're
[1:23:08] going to get back to me.
[1:23:09] But they did give me the
February 15 date just for those
[1:23:12] who are listening,
maybe you could
[1:23:14] reach out to your Association
President to verify the date.
[1:23:20] I haven't spoken with
anyone from Belle vista yet,
[1:23:22] but I know I've
had some residents
[1:23:24] asking me the same thing.
[1:23:25] So for now, I think that would
be the best way is probably
[1:23:29] to coordinate it
with the meetings
[1:23:31] that the neighborhoods
are holding.
[1:23:34] So I can meet you all.
[1:23:38] I just wanted to put out this
for Because I know there's
[1:23:41] several neighborhoods, including
Belle vista and residents,
[1:23:44] not to mention in Lido, because
I've met with a couple who have
[1:23:47] a lot of concern about
flooding, especially
[1:23:49] with the last storms.
[1:23:50] And me, myself,
as a resident, I'm
[1:23:52] concerned about flooding
in less than 12 months,
[1:23:58] many neighborhoods
flooded significantly
[1:24:01] impacting infrastructure.
[1:24:04] I know so in the Don Cesar
haven't had any response yet
[1:24:08] back but just know
that I am aware of it
[1:24:11] and that I am going to try
to help in that situation.
[1:24:16] For for those of you who are
experiencing that, because it
[1:24:19] is pretty significant
what's been
[1:24:21] happening as far as
infrastructure falling apart.
[1:24:23] And then I just wanted to give a
kudos out to the save the dunes
[1:24:29] group because I did participate
at their meeting that was held
[1:24:33] in Don vista, and I know they
already went out to district 4
[1:24:36] and worked on the beaches.
[1:24:38] But I think it's really nice
that another city, treasure
[1:24:41] island, was able to
work with a group
[1:24:43] here in our city to pass along
the idea of helping the city
[1:24:49] and helping the dunes, which
is the removal of exotic or
[1:24:51] invasive species
in our dune system.
[1:24:53] And it was a great presentation.
[1:24:57] And I know if we reach
out maybe to Jennifer,
[1:24:59] I'm just putting you out
there, Jennifer, in the city
[1:25:02] that you could pass
along that information.
[1:25:04] I don't know if it's posted
right now on the website,
[1:25:07] but they meet on
Fridays for one hour.
[1:25:11] And what you can get in one
hour and then move on, right.
[1:25:14] And then meet again
in the next Friday.
[1:25:16] So it's a slow process.
[1:25:17] If you've ever been weeding
and gardening, it is slow,
[1:25:19] but it will be really
nice, you know,
[1:25:23] to get some of that saved.
[1:25:24] So they did a lot of work in
pass a grille not too long
[1:25:27] ago removing fountain grass.
[1:25:29] So I put it out there because
education and information
[1:25:33] is important because a
lot of these invasives
[1:25:36] are because we love how
some of these plants
[1:25:38] look like in our
home, not realizing
[1:25:40] how much it's spreading
seeds all over the place.
[1:25:43] And it's not
supposed to be there.
[1:25:44] So get involved
because it's out there.
[1:25:46] So thank you.
[1:25:47] Thank you.
[1:25:49] District two.
[1:25:50] Yes just wanted to
remind everyone,
[1:25:53] there's a town Hall
for district two
[1:25:56] this Thursday at 5:30
and commission chambers.
[1:26:00] The agenda is posted online.
[1:26:02] There also will be
a link to view it
[1:26:06] digitally if you can't make it.
[1:26:10] City manager qu and
public works director
[1:26:12] will be there to comment on
some of the items on the agenda.
[1:26:18] And also I wanted to
comment on the event
[1:26:23] Friday that the fire department
put on for the pushing
[1:26:27] of their new truck.
[1:26:28] The mayor was there as well,
did a really nice job with that.
[1:26:32] And I know mark, our
communications manager,
[1:26:34] did a good job
advertising and putting
[1:26:37] up some pictures of that.
[1:26:38] And I encourage our
residents to attend
[1:26:41] those events in the future.
[1:26:44] That's it.
[1:26:45] Thank you.
[1:26:46] District one.
[1:26:47] Yeah Thank you.
[1:26:49] So I'd like to
officially welcome
[1:26:51] my appointee to the beach
stewardship committee.
[1:26:54] Brad Panek is a local guy who's
both a resident in district
[1:26:59] one, and he also has a business
in district one and a small kid
[1:27:06] and really invested
in the community.
[1:27:08] And so I think he's going to
be a great asset to the city,
[1:27:11] and I'm proud to have him
be my appointee to the beach
[1:27:13] stewardship committee.
[1:27:15] I also wanted to mention that
I've had several residents
[1:27:17] reach out to me as well in
district one about flooding,
[1:27:20] because in our neighborhood,
even though sometimes we think
[1:27:23] we're the high
spot on the beach,
[1:27:25] we still have, you know, some
blocks from 73rd to 80th or so
[1:27:31] where people have had
water in their houses
[1:27:34] a couple times this year.
[1:27:37] And I've had a couple residents
ask if we wanted if we would
[1:27:40] consider or if there was some
thought to creating a citizen
[1:27:44] flood advisory board
to look at those issues
[1:27:47] and to, you know, a group
of citizens who can help us
[1:27:51] keep track of those
things and, you know,
[1:27:54] help come up with solutions
and that sort of thing.
[1:27:55] So I don't know if that might
be something that we might
[1:27:57] want to address in the future.
[1:28:00] And that's all I've got.
[1:28:01] Thanks great.
[1:28:02] Thank you.
[1:28:03] Thank you, everyone,
for coming tonight.
[1:28:05] We are adjourned.
[1:28:07]