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The beach to order
today is Tuesday.

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It is March 24, 2026.

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It is 6 o'clock PM.

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Let's stand for the
Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,

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and to the Republic
for which it stands.

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One nation under
God, indivisible,

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with liberty and
justice for all.

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City clerk.

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If you'll please do a roll call.

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Vice mayor Marriott here.

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Commissioner Robinson here.

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Commissioner Resnick here.

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Commissioner Maldonado here.

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And Mayor Petrilla here.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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First item on the agenda is
the approval of the March

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nine minutes.

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I have a question about those.

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Sure and maybe for
help with clarification

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from city attorney.

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Just because we've
had a lot of emails

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and I've had calls about the
motion for ordinance 2020 6-03.

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I needed clarification
as to what the motion was

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and what was drawn, because
I feel what's written

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is not what I voted for.

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So I just wanted
some clarification.

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We've distributed
the closed caption

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from the transcription of the
video stream of the meeting.

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And it states, is
there a motion.

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Make the motion to adopt with
modification of 40 foot setback

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from dwellings, unless variance
and 500 separate 500 separation

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requirements were possible
and technically feasible

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without limiting communication
services for the final reading

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of ordinance 2020 603.

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And then I said, did you want to
include the additional language

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about the negotiation period.

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Everything that's in the citizen
proposal here said, yes, yes.

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Because again, this goes to
more than just ground equipment.

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Now this is all supporting
structures and poles

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and we can do that
as a subsection.

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It will be a new subsection
for to take their 3

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and their entire
three paragraphs

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and make that a new subsection.

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Absolutely yep.

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And we'll add in the
500 where possible

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and technically feasible
without impacting coverage.

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Is that the final
version of the motion.

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Yes it is.

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I'll second to the clerk.

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Commissioner Maldonado.

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Yes vice mayor Mariano.

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Commissioner Robinson.

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Yes commissioner.

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Resnick yes.

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Mayor patella.

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Yes and then the motion carries.

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And I think that
the motion maker.

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Can discuss the
motion that he made.

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He did say variance.

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And I was trying to.

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Point out that neither the
citizens nor staff was going

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for variance anymore because
it involved a public meeting,

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public hearing, which
are not allowed,

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and public hearing and
public meeting to me

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mean the same thing.

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So I took that as yes,
he would substitute

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the negotiation period that
both the citizen and the staff

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had in there.

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And so that's what we took
to prepare the ordinance.

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Did you want to
change the minutes

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to reflect this exact language.

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And I think that
would be appropriate.

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We could attach
this to the minutes

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or we could put this
in the minutes itself.

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So let me ask you, city attorney
or Commissioner to could clarify

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in that presentation, I
think the words I agree,

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the negotiation that I clearly
remember that we stated that one

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of the things that is coming
up is whether it was mandatory

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or not.

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So if we take this language,
how it's written here,

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that means we're removing
whether it's mandatory

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or encourage that we would just
be saying the modification of 40

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foot setback from dwellings and
less variance in 500 separation.

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Correct the staff
proposal always had

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encourage for both sections.

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The citizens proposal
was mandatory.

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Both Verizon and
AT&T wrote letters

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and stated that mandatory is
preempted by state statutes.

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And that's why we're
using the word encourage.

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So it would be
defensible in court.

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But there was nothing in
the motion to say mandatory.

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And they were working off
exhibit A, which is the staff

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alternative language,
changing feet to 40

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and then adding in
500 as a criteria.

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Number four in the
second section.

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In the presentation, what I
saw was that it was mandatory.

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Now I know in the wording
we're not using it.

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So if we exclude
mandatory and exclude,

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just as it's written right
here with a closed caption,

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if we remove mandatory
or encourage then

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it's just 40 setback.

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So in the citizens proposal
they were proposing mandatory.

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The citizens presentation
said mandatory staff

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has never said mandatory.

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It's been our position
that would violate state

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law, the state preemption.

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So we use the word
encourage instead.

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So we took this as saying
taking the feet and the staff

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recommendation, which already
had the word encourage,

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and changing it to 40 and
adding the 500 foot separation

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requirement to the
second part, and then

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adding the negotiation
period that we

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both had in our proposals.

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But it was my
understanding we were

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following the staff
language and not

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adopting the citizen proposal.

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If we want to change
that, we could,

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but we would have to go through
the notice and the readings

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and that can be done.

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Commissioner Maldonado.

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Are you done.

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Yes OK.

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So yeah.

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So thank you.

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I do need to make two
scrivener's errors adjustments.

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The first would be to
follow the transcripts

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and remove the
word where it says

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where technically feasible
before a 40 foot setback.

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I'd like to substitute
the word variance

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with a negotiation period
per the citizen's request.

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Now that we know.

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And thank you for
clarifying that, sir.

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And then at the very end, we
need to add, after the 500 foot

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separation requirements,
where possibly where possible

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and technically feasible without
limiting communication services.

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Again, that was for my motion.

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That's for the transcripts.

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I want to be
absolutely transparent

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that that's what was said.

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So thank you.

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If you make that motion
then we would get a second

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and then we would
vote on the change.

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Do we have a concurrence.

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I mean, is that required or
are you going to make a motion.

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Well, I think in this case,
you should make a motion

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and have a second and then do
a roll call just because it's

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a matter of public importance.

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You meant mandatory.

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Mandatory point of order.

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Point of order, Chair.

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I'm sorry, sir.

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You are out of order.

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I don't care.

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I want to put this.

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This is the proof that
he meant mandatory.

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It's the proof right here, sir.

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You're out of order.

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I have the proof.

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Get back.

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We're now playing it
like that tonight.

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You understand.

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I have to prove.

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Do you understand me.

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We're not doing it like that.

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We have to prove that.

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Sit down.

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Are you lying, John.

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You're a liar, John.

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Just admit you're a liar.

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All of us know you
were mandatory.

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Point of order.

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I have to prove you can
get him to be quiet.

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By all means.

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I see your intent.

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Is there a motion.

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Make the motion to adopt with
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from dwellings.

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Unless a negotiation period
and separation requirements.

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Where possible and technically
feasible without limiting

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communication services.

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And did you have the 500
foot separation requirements.

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Did you say that I
might have missed it.

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I did, but I can
restate it if necessary.

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If you could just want to make
sure it's clear this time.

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Make the motion to adopt with
modification of 40 foot setback

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from dwellings.

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Unless a negotiation period
and 500 separation requirements

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where possible and technically
feasible without limiting

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communication services.

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Second, to be clear, this is
we'll make sure we understand

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what we're voting on.

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You are amending the
minutes, not the ordinance.

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Correct OK.

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It wasn't clear.

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That's why.

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That's correct.

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Do you want to take public
comment before we do roll call.

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City clerk.

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Do we have any public comment.

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Lauren Jones, please state your
name and address for the record.

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Lauren I mean, I just
don't understand.

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I don't understand any of this.

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Ralph how could you just
change the language when

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it's not what they voted on.

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Clearly, for people sitting up
here did not vote in courage.

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And whether John wants to say it
or not, he voted based I have.

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Are you showing this.

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I believe it was
clear that I made

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the motion based on the
presentation of my attorney.

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The final reading, with
modifications, 40 foot setback

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from property was mandatory.

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John, why aren't you
saying that to the crowd.

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Why aren't you saying
that to the residents.

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This is what you meant.

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This is what you
made the motion on.

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This is what the three
other people voted on.

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And, Ralph, how do you
change the language.

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How are you getting
away with that.

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I normally don't answer these.

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But we're going by the
exact verbatim transcript

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of the meeting.

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And that's what's being
adopted as the motion.

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Seconded you put the city
encourages a 40 foot setback.

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That's not verbatim of what John
said as we just discussed here.

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You put city strongly
encourages a 40 foot setback.

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That is not anywhere
close to what John said.

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I did not add that
was in the exhibit

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a going into the
meeting, and it came

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out of the meeting unchanged.

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No, that wasn't going into
that was in the meeting.

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That was staff
alternative version.

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And it in there.

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And I'm not going to
say anything more.

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I'm going to let you speak
for your three minutes.

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You kept I don't answer
questions during public comment.

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Thanks can I talk.

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You kept the staff language.

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It was supposed to change over
to the residents language.

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Yes, it was, he admits.

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I have letters upon
letters of John and Betty,

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and I talked to verbally, Lisa,
that their intent was mandatory.

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We go back to deny that
because we go by their words

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and not what might be in their
head if they don't say it.

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You have to say it.

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Words were 40 foot setback
unless variance 40 foot setback.

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How do you get that.

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Strongly encouraged
is included in that.

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Where does that come from.

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Does it just fall
out of thin air.

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He said 40 foot setback
unless variance and his intent

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was mandatory.

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He's not saying that now, but I
have it in writing many letters.

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OK where does the strongly
encourage fall out of thin air.

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How do you do that.

263
00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:10,040
Is anyone happy that
our city attorney

264
00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,680
just put in his own language.

265
00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,480
No we should be outraged.

266
00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,000
We should be outraged.

267
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,420
And, Francis, I'm sorry.

268
00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:26,560
You said to me verbatim
several times that you go along

269
00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,740
and you never question what
the city attorney says.

270
00:16:29,740 --> 00:16:32,200
Is that a way to
manage a city that you

271
00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,240
just blindly follow your staff.

272
00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,530
What he's doing and what his
law firm is doing is not OK.

273
00:16:39,530 --> 00:16:42,390
The ordinance doesn't
reflect the minutes,

274
00:16:42,390 --> 00:16:44,650
and the minutes of
two weeks ago does

275
00:16:44,650 --> 00:16:48,130
not reflect the
motion and the votes

276
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that these four people made.

277
00:16:50,170 --> 00:16:52,910
You put words in their mouth.

278
00:16:52,910 --> 00:16:54,350
They should be outraged.

279
00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:58,530
We're outraged for your time.

280
00:16:58,530 --> 00:17:04,650
City clerk Ron Vigneault. If
you please, state your name

281
00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:08,089
and address for the record.

282
00:17:08,089 --> 00:17:11,050
Yeah Ronald Vigneault
from pass-a-grille.

283
00:17:11,050 --> 00:17:11,710
All right.

284
00:17:11,710 --> 00:17:14,270
So I'm not going to
tolerate any corruptions.

285
00:17:14,270 --> 00:17:15,710
OK I come from Canada.

286
00:17:15,710 --> 00:17:18,050
The whole country of
Canada is all corrupt.

287
00:17:18,050 --> 00:17:21,450
This is not going to happen
in my new country OK.

288
00:17:21,450 --> 00:17:23,810
This country is about freedom.

289
00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:25,810
It's about integrity.

290
00:17:25,810 --> 00:17:28,329
And, John, you
have no integrity.

291
00:17:28,329 --> 00:17:29,150
You're lying.

292
00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:29,830
Excuse me, sir.

293
00:17:29,830 --> 00:17:31,250
You wrote that letter, sir.

294
00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:32,190
Point of order, sir.

295
00:17:32,190 --> 00:17:32,910
Point of order.

296
00:17:32,910 --> 00:17:33,430
What is that.

297
00:17:33,430 --> 00:17:34,310
Personal attacks.

298
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:38,220
When you signed up,
when you signed up

299
00:17:38,220 --> 00:17:40,380
on the back of the
card, it clearly

300
00:17:40,380 --> 00:17:44,460
shows you will not participate
in personal attacks.

301
00:17:44,460 --> 00:17:46,420
So you may say
whatever you want,

302
00:17:46,420 --> 00:17:48,720
but you're going to limit
yourself to personal attacks.

303
00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,740
OK, I'm not going to
do a personal attack,

304
00:17:50,740 --> 00:17:54,900
but look on the board, the
media, all the media tonight

305
00:17:54,900 --> 00:17:55,540
here.

306
00:17:55,540 --> 00:18:00,260
Look, that's a letter that was
written by John to the lawyer.

307
00:18:00,260 --> 00:18:06,700
Ralph, that letter says
mandatory, not encouraged.

308
00:18:06,700 --> 00:18:08,400
OK, we have that document.

309
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,680
I want the media
to cover all this.

310
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,140
This is corruptions
from our city.

311
00:18:13,140 --> 00:18:15,080
And tonight we're changing.

312
00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:16,740
We're changing the people.

313
00:18:16,740 --> 00:18:22,980
But what happened that night
two weeks ago is very clear.

314
00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:24,000
John was very clear.

315
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,020
He wrote in a letter
to the lawyer.

316
00:18:26,020 --> 00:18:29,080
He was very clear on
what he was going on.

317
00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,240
Adrienne was clear.

318
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,620
Lisa was clear.

319
00:18:31,620 --> 00:18:35,070
And the proof is
that Karen voted

320
00:18:35,070 --> 00:18:37,150
against it because
she was thinking

321
00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:38,970
there was the word mandatory.

322
00:18:38,970 --> 00:18:40,370
She didn't want mandatory.

323
00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:41,610
She voted against it.

324
00:18:41,610 --> 00:18:43,510
That's the proof right there.

325
00:18:43,510 --> 00:18:45,530
And, Ralph what you're doing.

326
00:18:45,530 --> 00:18:47,710
You're changing the language.

327
00:18:47,710 --> 00:18:51,150
Your job is you're
again, you're starting

328
00:18:51,150 --> 00:18:52,210
with the personal attacks.

329
00:18:52,210 --> 00:18:54,630
OK well what I mean.

330
00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,210
I have to say what the fact.

331
00:18:56,210 --> 00:18:57,890
Those are facts, Ralph.

332
00:18:57,890 --> 00:19:00,510
Your job is to execute.

333
00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:02,670
This These people decide.

334
00:19:02,670 --> 00:19:04,090
She didn't want it.

335
00:19:04,090 --> 00:19:04,770
That's fine.

336
00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:06,090
It's a free country.

337
00:19:06,090 --> 00:19:07,210
She's allowed to do it.

338
00:19:07,210 --> 00:19:08,690
But these people voted for it.

339
00:19:08,690 --> 00:19:09,330
For it.

340
00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:12,450
And damn right that
they voted for that.

341
00:19:12,450 --> 00:19:14,770
You changed the
language in the minutes.

342
00:19:14,770 --> 00:19:16,670
It's not there anywhere.

343
00:19:16,670 --> 00:19:21,010
There's nowhere in the minute
that it says Anchorage.

344
00:19:21,010 --> 00:19:25,030


345
00:19:25,030 --> 00:19:26,330
Are you shaking your head for.

346
00:19:26,330 --> 00:19:27,630
It's the truth.

347
00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:29,010
So what's going on, Ralph.

348
00:19:29,010 --> 00:19:31,720
I'm going to ask for a
public investigation on this

349
00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,120
and I'm going to get it.

350
00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,940
And, Ralph, I'm sorry
if you don't do the job,

351
00:19:36,940 --> 00:19:38,760
you're not going to be
working for my city.

352
00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,320
Let me read, taxpayer.

353
00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,800
When you're done, I'll read
scandals and corruption

354
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,920
in my government.

355
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,580
OK, Ralph.

356
00:19:47,580 --> 00:19:49,000
Go ahead.

357
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:49,920
Are you done.

358
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,340
Yeah listen to you.

359
00:19:51,340 --> 00:19:53,200
I'll wait for your
time to end, and then

360
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,540
I'll read you the transcript.

361
00:19:54,540 --> 00:19:57,760
OK well, let's make
this all very clear.

362
00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:02,440
Everybody in this room, we
will not tolerate corruption

363
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,160
in our local government, OK.

364
00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,840
This is very important that we
all stand up And we stop this.

365
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,660
Ralph is changing the
language of what was voted.

366
00:20:11,660 --> 00:20:13,480
Thank you sir.

367
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,160
The exact language, if you
may indulge me because I've

368
00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,160
been attacked personally.

369
00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:19,360
The transcript.

370
00:20:19,360 --> 00:20:20,100
The transcript.

371
00:20:20,100 --> 00:20:21,700
You may sit down, sir.

372
00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:24,640
Thank you.

373
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,820
The exact language was.

374
00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:27,240
Is there a motion.

375
00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,640
Make the motion to adopt with
modification of 40 foot setback

376
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,340
from dwellings
and less variance,

377
00:20:32,340 --> 00:20:34,600
and a 500 separation
requirements

378
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,320
were possible and
technically feasible

379
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,000
without limiting communication
services for the final reading

380
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,520
of ordinance 2020 603.

381
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,600
Did you want to include
the additional language

382
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,600
about the negotiation period.

383
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,660
That's in the citizen
proposal here.

384
00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,380
Yeah, yeah.

385
00:20:49,380 --> 00:20:52,500
Because again, this goes to
more than just ground equipment.

386
00:20:52,500 --> 00:20:55,220
Now, now this is all supporting
structures and poles.

387
00:20:55,220 --> 00:20:57,560
And we can do that
as a subsection.

388
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,560
It will be a new subsection for
to take their three number 3

389
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,600
and then entire
number three paragraph

390
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,600
and make that a new subsection.

391
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,740
Absolutely yep.

392
00:21:06,740 --> 00:21:08,800
And we'll add in
the 500 whenever

393
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,560
possible and technically
feasible without impacting

394
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,600
coverage.

395
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,380
That was commissioner
Maldonado's exact words.

396
00:21:15,380 --> 00:21:17,220
Is this the final
version of the motion.

397
00:21:17,220 --> 00:21:17,820
Yes it is.

398
00:21:17,820 --> 00:21:20,640
I'll second to the clerk, and
the motion was then voted upon

399
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:21,460
and carried.

400
00:21:21,460 --> 00:21:24,360
So there's the exact words
that we have to go by.

401
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:30,050
And that's the facts.

402
00:21:30,050 --> 00:21:31,090
Thank you, sir.

403
00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:32,570
City clerk.

404
00:21:32,570 --> 00:21:33,590
Rutta Hans.

405
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:40,410


406
00:21:40,410 --> 00:21:42,470
Can you please state your name
and address for the record.

407
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:45,010


408
00:21:45,010 --> 00:21:46,990
I've got the transcript here.

409
00:21:46,990 --> 00:21:49,610


410
00:21:49,610 --> 00:21:50,910
There This goes here.

411
00:21:50,910 --> 00:21:54,690


412
00:21:54,690 --> 00:21:57,190
Hans 77, 11;14 away.

413
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:59,890


414
00:21:59,890 --> 00:22:02,110
And let me see if
I've got this right.

415
00:22:02,110 --> 00:22:11,810


416
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:13,150
OK, so let me.

417
00:22:13,150 --> 00:22:16,530
Here's the verbatim
transcript, please.

418
00:22:16,530 --> 00:22:19,190
Oh, here's a
verbatim transcript.

419
00:22:19,190 --> 00:22:21,890
Over here, which you've
just heard a bunch of times.

420
00:22:21,890 --> 00:22:24,610
My point that I wanted
to make is nowhere

421
00:22:24,610 --> 00:22:31,700
in this transcript did anybody
use the word recommended at all.

422
00:22:31,700 --> 00:22:34,100
The word recommended is
a material alteration

423
00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:35,320
to what was voted on.

424
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:39,420
So the city staff should not
be adding made up language

425
00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:43,620
into an ordinance different from
what the commission voted on.

426
00:22:43,620 --> 00:22:46,580
And if you look at this
one part in the transcript,

427
00:22:46,580 --> 00:22:50,300
it's very clear where it
says everything that is

428
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:52,740
in the citizens proposal here.

429
00:22:52,740 --> 00:22:57,260
And Commissioner
Maldonado said yes.

430
00:22:57,260 --> 00:23:01,420
And then they discussed
that a little bit further.

431
00:23:01,420 --> 00:23:04,780
So based on that transcript,
any reasonable person

432
00:23:04,780 --> 00:23:07,820
would conclude the motion
approved by the commissioners

433
00:23:07,820 --> 00:23:11,500
reflected everything
that is in the citizens

434
00:23:11,500 --> 00:23:14,480
proposal as intended,
specifically,

435
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,480
a mandatory 40 foot setback.

436
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,800
That's what the
citizens proposal was,

437
00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,180
a mandatory 40 foot setback.

438
00:23:21,180 --> 00:23:25,950
Nowhere did we ever see the
word encouraged over here.

439
00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:28,750
And that was in the final
reading of the ordinance.

440
00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:31,830
And again, Commissioner
Marriott, she was very clear

441
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:34,150
why she voted no on this
ordinance because of

442
00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:36,370
the mandatory 40 foot setback.

443
00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:38,890
She was afraid that went
against Florida law.

444
00:23:38,890 --> 00:23:40,710
Her point is well taken.

445
00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:43,950
And there was discussion about
not wanting to have a lawsuit

446
00:23:43,950 --> 00:23:45,390
with the telecom company.

447
00:23:45,390 --> 00:23:47,710
Telecom company.

448
00:23:47,710 --> 00:23:50,870
So if this ordinance
stays written incorrectly.

449
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:54,650
Now, this exposes the city
to even more liability.

450
00:23:54,650 --> 00:23:57,590
A homeowner with a
multimillion dollar property

451
00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:59,950
can now claim that
the 5 grams tower

452
00:23:59,950 --> 00:24:01,530
reduced their property value.

453
00:24:01,530 --> 00:24:03,550
And they're going to
come and sue the city

454
00:24:03,550 --> 00:24:06,230
because you don't have
the proper ordinance

455
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:08,270
written on the books.

456
00:24:08,270 --> 00:24:11,150
And having the word
recommended offers

457
00:24:11,150 --> 00:24:15,750
no real protection on this
in any way, shape, or form.

458
00:24:15,750 --> 00:24:18,910
So if the city keeps the
language they voted on,

459
00:24:18,910 --> 00:24:22,270
they could find room
to reasonably negotiate

460
00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:25,470
with telecom companies
offer a different place

461
00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:27,050
to put something.

462
00:24:27,050 --> 00:24:31,070
If it's within 40, they could
put it in front of a business

463
00:24:31,070 --> 00:24:34,190
where these towers would
not be damaging to somebody

464
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:37,510
sleeping there at night, or
lower their property values.

465
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:41,590
But if we leave
it as recommended

466
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:44,050
and we intended to
say something else,

467
00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:46,850
now you're opening yourself
up to even more lawsuits.

468
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:49,870
And that would be
from the residents.

469
00:24:49,870 --> 00:24:50,570
That's all.

470
00:24:50,570 --> 00:24:55,830


471
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:56,670
Thank you.

472
00:24:56,670 --> 00:24:57,690
Deborah Schockner.

473
00:24:57,690 --> 00:25:03,510


474
00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:07,270
If you'll please state your
name and address for the record.

475
00:25:07,270 --> 00:25:09,750
Good evening, Deborah Schockner.

476
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:12,430
I'll drive in ST ST Pete Beach.

477
00:25:12,430 --> 00:25:16,730
I think we need to realign
with what the residents stated,

478
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:19,830
because people who
left here heard that,

479
00:25:19,830 --> 00:25:23,480
and many people heard that
recommendation means nothing

480
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,200
to the telephone companies.

481
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,620
They'll just do
whatever they want.

482
00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:29,680


483
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,280
I would city right now
is fully covered with G5.

484
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:35,060
The entire city.

485
00:25:35,060 --> 00:25:39,280
We do not need
even one more pole.

486
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,500
Here's the problem.

487
00:25:40,500 --> 00:25:42,920
These poles can fall
on somebody's house.

488
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,500
And when you don't have a
proper setback, it's one man.

489
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,020
It's going to hit him
while he's sleeping.

490
00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:48,740
God forbid.

491
00:25:48,740 --> 00:25:51,520


492
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,080
The easements are
owned by the residents,

493
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,920
but they're allowed by
ST Pete Beach as a right

494
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,920
for utility providers.

495
00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:02,760
But we own the land,
and I understand

496
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:08,520
that we are allowed to maybe
make some verifications

497
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,600
that people will be safe.

498
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,700
And I've driven through
some other cities.

499
00:26:12,700 --> 00:26:19,440
They don't have nearly as many
G5's power poles as we do.

500
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,170
I've asked residents who've
lived in other cities,

501
00:26:22,170 --> 00:26:24,650
they have said the same thing.

502
00:26:24,650 --> 00:26:27,610
So why the concentration
in ST Pete Beach

503
00:26:27,610 --> 00:26:31,830
and why the threat to
homeowner's property liability.

504
00:26:31,830 --> 00:26:34,090
I don't think telecom
company is going to give them

505
00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:37,290
the difference between
insurance, because that's now

506
00:26:37,290 --> 00:26:39,290
sitting on their property,
and it's possible

507
00:26:39,290 --> 00:26:41,770
that insurance
will not even cover

508
00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:44,330
it unless you have a writer.

509
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:48,090
So these are very, very serious
questions we need to answer.

510
00:26:48,090 --> 00:26:51,110
And quite frankly, it's about
protecting the residents.

511
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:53,730
Thank you.

512
00:26:53,730 --> 00:26:55,450
Thank you, city clerk.

513
00:26:55,450 --> 00:26:57,610
I have no further
comments on this item.

514
00:26:57,610 --> 00:27:00,050
Thank you.

515
00:27:00,050 --> 00:27:01,970
We have a motion and a second.

516
00:27:01,970 --> 00:27:04,130
City clerk, if you'll
please do a roll call.

517
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:04,670
Vice mayor.

518
00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:06,990
Marriott yes, Commissioner.

519
00:27:06,990 --> 00:27:09,650
Robinson yes, Commissioner.

520
00:27:09,650 --> 00:27:10,630
Yes, Commissioner.

521
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:12,150
Maldonado yes, Mayor.

522
00:27:12,150 --> 00:27:13,270
Petrilla yes.

523
00:27:13,270 --> 00:27:14,270
The motion carries.

524
00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:15,730
Thank you, city clerk.

525
00:27:15,730 --> 00:27:17,290
Before we move on
to the installation

526
00:27:17,290 --> 00:27:18,430
of elected officials.

527
00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:21,660
Commissioner Resnick, do
you have any parting words.

528
00:27:21,660 --> 00:27:24,940
Yes thank you.

529
00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:26,460
I write them down.

530
00:27:26,460 --> 00:27:27,640
I'm an emotional wreck.

531
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:34,800
So, Mayor, fellow
commissioners, staff,

532
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,400
and members of the community.

533
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,100


534
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:45,580
As this meeting marks my final
one serving on this commission,

535
00:27:45,580 --> 00:27:48,980
I want to begin by
saying thank you.

536
00:27:48,980 --> 00:27:54,120
Serving the city has been one of
the greatest honors of my life.

537
00:27:54,120 --> 00:27:57,300


538
00:27:57,300 --> 00:27:59,260
Local government
is where decisions

539
00:27:59,260 --> 00:28:01,780
are closest to the people.

540
00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:04,020
And during my time here,
I've had the privilege

541
00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:10,580
of working alongside dedicated
colleagues, hardworking staff

542
00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:15,660
and residents who are
deeply about our community,

543
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:17,580
even when we disagreed.

544
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:22,790
The shared goal was always the
same to make our city stronger,

545
00:28:22,790 --> 00:28:26,030
safer, and more resilient.

546
00:28:26,030 --> 00:28:29,950
I also want to recognize the
incredible work of the city

547
00:28:29,950 --> 00:28:37,270
staff to our city manager,
Francis Robustelli and your team

548
00:28:37,270 --> 00:28:43,150
work every day to turn
policy into action, often

549
00:28:43,150 --> 00:28:47,310
behind the scenes and
without any recognition.

550
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:51,070
Your professionalism and
dedication to this community

551
00:28:51,070 --> 00:28:54,310
are deeply appreciated.

552
00:28:54,310 --> 00:29:00,550
This recent election was
decided by just 36 votes.

553
00:29:00,550 --> 00:29:06,030
That's a powerful reminder
that every voice matters

554
00:29:06,030 --> 00:29:09,030
that our community
is deeply engaged

555
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:11,710
in the future of this city.

556
00:29:11,710 --> 00:29:17,470
It also reflects that many
residents are still navigating

557
00:29:17,470 --> 00:29:22,070
real challenges,
especially as our community

558
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:26,110
continues recovering from the
storms like Hurricane Helene.

559
00:29:26,110 --> 00:29:28,570
The work of rebuilding,
supporting families,

560
00:29:28,570 --> 00:29:32,150
local businesses, our
community, our environment,

561
00:29:32,150 --> 00:29:36,750
and strengthening our
resilience must remain

562
00:29:36,750 --> 00:29:39,950
a top priority of this city.

563
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:42,150
I respect the outcome
of this election

564
00:29:42,150 --> 00:29:47,310
and I congratulate those who
will continue the important work

565
00:29:47,310 --> 00:29:49,470
moving forward.

566
00:29:49,470 --> 00:29:51,930
I'm proud of what we have
accomplished together,

567
00:29:51,930 --> 00:29:54,090
especially during the
difficult moments,

568
00:29:54,090 --> 00:29:58,590
including the recovery efforts
following Hurricane Helene.

569
00:29:58,590 --> 00:30:02,510
I'm especially grateful
to the first responders,

570
00:30:02,510 --> 00:30:08,670
public services on the teams who
showed up day and night to keep

571
00:30:08,670 --> 00:30:12,070
our communities safe and
help restore our city

572
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:14,230
when we needed it the most.

573
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:18,360
Public service is
never about one person.

574
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,880
It's about the collective effort
of a community that shows up,

575
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,560
works together, refuses
to give up on the place

576
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:29,440
we all call home.

577
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,380
I also want to thank
our city clerk,

578
00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,260
Renee rose, and her city staff.

579
00:30:35,260 --> 00:30:37,320
I see Jenny out
there for the work

580
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,640
you do to keep our
meetings, records

581
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,120
and elections running smoothly.

582
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,880
Your professionalism helps
ensure transparency and trust

583
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,480
in our local government.

584
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,540
To my fellow commissioners,
thank you for your service,

585
00:30:52,540 --> 00:30:55,480
your commitment to the city,
and for the many thoughtful

586
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,960
discussions we've
shared along the way

587
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,600
to the residents who supported
me, who volunteered, called,

588
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,360
emailed, and shared your
ideas, thank you for trusting

589
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,920
me with your voice.

590
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,920
And to those who
disagreed with me,

591
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,730
I thank you to your
engagement, helped

592
00:31:15,730 --> 00:31:20,570
strengthen our discussions and
ultimately made our city better.

593
00:31:20,570 --> 00:31:22,790
While my time on this
commission may be ending,

594
00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:26,170
my commitment to this
community is not.

595
00:31:26,170 --> 00:31:28,570
I will always care
deeply about the city

596
00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:30,930
and will continue
supporting the people

597
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:33,250
and ideas that move us forward.

598
00:31:33,250 --> 00:31:37,370
Serving the city has truly been
the privilege of a lifetime,

599
00:31:37,370 --> 00:31:41,330
and no election results
will ever take that away.

600
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:41,950
Thank you.

601
00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:53,290


602
00:31:53,290 --> 00:31:55,090
I did go up.

603
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:58,450
Yeah, you can wait if you want.

604
00:31:58,450 --> 00:32:00,970
Thank you.

605
00:32:00,970 --> 00:32:02,310
Thank you, Commissioner Resnick.

606
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:09,330


607
00:32:09,330 --> 00:32:27,600
Yeah I want to thank
all of our residents.

608
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,220
I want to thank all
of our supporters

609
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:34,100
and more so than anyone else I
want to thank our city staff.

610
00:32:34,100 --> 00:32:36,100
Could not have done what we've
done in the last three years

611
00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:38,260
without your support,
without your help,

612
00:32:38,260 --> 00:32:40,660
without your diligence,
the amount of work and time

613
00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:43,140
that's been put in.

614
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:45,560
I'm not sure I could do your
job for what you guys get paid.

615
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,900
And I know some of you out
there always complain about how

616
00:32:47,900 --> 00:32:49,360
much our city staff get paid.

617
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,260
By all means, come do the
job for what they get paid

618
00:32:51,260 --> 00:32:52,900
and see how long you last.

619
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:55,080
I also want to thank
my commissioners,

620
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,460
Commissioner
Maldonado, Commissioner

621
00:32:56,460 --> 00:32:58,900
Nikki Robinson and Marriott.

622
00:32:58,900 --> 00:33:01,340
While we didn't
always see eye to eye,

623
00:33:01,340 --> 00:33:03,860
oftentimes we didn't
see eye to eye.

624
00:33:03,860 --> 00:33:06,220
I appreciate your
willingness to serve.

625
00:33:06,220 --> 00:33:07,620
I thank you for that.

626
00:33:07,620 --> 00:33:09,620
And for those of you
who are coming up next,

627
00:33:09,620 --> 00:33:12,580
I also appreciate your
willingness to serve.

628
00:33:12,580 --> 00:33:16,560
And with that, I'll say
thank you and goodbye.

629
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:38,020


630
00:33:38,020 --> 00:33:38,720
Oh, yeah.

631
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:49,480
Sorry and I think my husband
is hiding in the back here, so.

632
00:33:49,480 --> 00:34:08,780


633
00:34:08,780 --> 00:34:11,870
If you want to stand next to
me, then you can face her.

634
00:34:11,870 --> 00:34:13,469
There you go.

635
00:34:13,469 --> 00:34:15,830
Please raise your right
hand and state after me.

636
00:34:15,830 --> 00:34:17,250
State your name.

637
00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:19,330
I do solemnly swear.

638
00:34:19,330 --> 00:34:22,230
Do solemnly swear that I am a
full time resident that I am

639
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:24,630
a full time resident of
the city of ST Pete Beach,

640
00:34:24,630 --> 00:34:28,810
the city of ST Pete Beach
that I will support, protect,

641
00:34:28,810 --> 00:34:32,870
and defend the Constitution,
the Constitution and government

642
00:34:32,870 --> 00:34:35,190
of the United States,
government of the United States

643
00:34:35,190 --> 00:34:37,830
and of the state of Florida, and
of the state of Florida that I

644
00:34:37,830 --> 00:34:41,350
am duly qualified, duly
qualified to hold office to hold

645
00:34:41,350 --> 00:34:43,449
office under the
Constitution of the state,

646
00:34:43,449 --> 00:34:44,909
under the Constitution
of the state

647
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:46,469
and that I will
well and faithfully

648
00:34:46,469 --> 00:34:49,010
and that I will well and
faithfully perform the duties.

649
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:51,310
Perform the duties of
Commissioner of Commissioner

650
00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:54,630
on which I am about to enter.

651
00:34:54,630 --> 00:34:56,710
So help me God, so help me God.

652
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:58,130
Congratulations Thank you.

653
00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:15,240


654
00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:18,440
Sit next to me here
and hold it firmly.

655
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,600
Please raise your right
hand and state after me.

656
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,000
State your name.

657
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,340
Al Causey, do solemnly swear.

658
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:27,600
Do solemnly swear that I
am a full time resident

659
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,580
that I am a full time resident
of the city of ST Pete Beach,

660
00:35:31,580 --> 00:35:36,980
of the city of ST Pete Beach
that I will support, protect,

661
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:40,820
and defend and defend the
Constitution and government,

662
00:35:40,820 --> 00:35:43,940
the Constitution and government
of the United States,

663
00:35:43,940 --> 00:35:46,280
of the United States and
of the state of Florida

664
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440
and of the state of Florida,
that I am duly qualified,

665
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,360
that I am duly qualified to
hold office to hold office

666
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,660
under the Constitution, under
the Constitution of the state,

667
00:35:56,660 --> 00:35:59,120
of the state and that I
will well and faithfully

668
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:03,060
and that I will well and
faithfully perform the duties.

669
00:36:03,060 --> 00:36:06,120
Perform the duties of
Commissioner of Commissioner

670
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,150
on which I am about to enter
on which I am about to enter.

671
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:11,030
So help me God.

672
00:36:11,030 --> 00:36:12,190
So help me God.

673
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:28,110
Congratulations OK.

674
00:36:28,110 --> 00:36:35,930


675
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:38,010
OK please raise your right
hand and state after me.

676
00:36:38,010 --> 00:36:39,070
State your name.

677
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:40,830
Scott Tate, do solemnly swear.

678
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:43,330
Do solemnly swear that I am
a full time resident that I'm

679
00:36:43,330 --> 00:36:45,590
a full time resident of
the city of ST Pete Beach,

680
00:36:45,590 --> 00:36:47,850
of the city of ST Pete
Beach that I will support

681
00:36:47,850 --> 00:36:51,050
and that I will support,
protect, and defend and defend

682
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:53,530
the Constitution and government,
the Constitution and government

683
00:36:53,530 --> 00:36:55,290
of the United States,
of the United States

684
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:57,470
and of the state of Florida
and of the state of Florida,

685
00:36:57,470 --> 00:37:00,570
that I am duly qualified, that I
am duly qualified to hold office

686
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:02,910
to hold office under the
Constitution of the state,

687
00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:04,210
under the Constitution
of the state

688
00:37:04,210 --> 00:37:06,180
and that I will
well and faithfully

689
00:37:06,180 --> 00:37:08,560
and that I will well and
faithfully perform the duties.

690
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,380
Perform the duties
of Mayor of Mayor

691
00:37:10,380 --> 00:37:13,520
on which I'm about to enter
on which I'm about to enter.

692
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,240
So help me God.

693
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:15,120
So help me God.

694
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,400
Congratulations Thank you.

695
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:33,620


696
00:37:33,620 --> 00:37:59,180
Yeah thank you.

697
00:37:59,180 --> 00:38:00,140
Appreciate you.

698
00:38:00,140 --> 00:38:00,800
Welcome, sir.

699
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,120
Thank you sir.

700
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:08,460


701
00:38:08,460 --> 00:38:19,060
22 all right.

702
00:38:19,060 --> 00:38:21,560
Before we begin with
the official agenda,

703
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,200
I want to give Al
the opportunity.

704
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,660
If you'd like to make
any remarks, please.

705
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:26,160
Thank you.

706
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,540
Mayor I just want to thank our
outgoing members of the board

707
00:38:31,540 --> 00:38:34,660
here and all the hours
that they put in,

708
00:38:34,660 --> 00:38:36,720
the great benefit that
they brought to this city.

709
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,060
And it was absolutely the most
historic of times in our city.

710
00:38:41,060 --> 00:38:46,880
And going forward, we will
retire a lot of collaboration.

711
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,100
And that's what I'm
going to be all about.

712
00:38:49,100 --> 00:38:51,380
I especially want to thank
everyone who helped me

713
00:38:51,380 --> 00:38:53,820
along the way for
the last four months

714
00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:58,820
and so many different things,
and especially my wife, Julie.

715
00:38:58,820 --> 00:39:01,300
You did good, Julie.

716
00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:04,250
So I think that's
about it for now.

717
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:07,190
We'll be in
neighborhoods every week.

718
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:11,710
We'll be doing a newsletter
weekly for status and updates,

719
00:39:11,710 --> 00:39:15,430
and we'll be building action
groups of 2 and three people

720
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:18,090
to address each
problem that we have.

721
00:39:18,090 --> 00:39:21,070


722
00:39:21,070 --> 00:39:21,570
Thank you.

723
00:39:21,570 --> 00:39:24,670
Al Aaron, I know you ran
unopposed, but any statement

724
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:26,310
you'd like to make.

725
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:27,310
No OK.

726
00:39:27,310 --> 00:39:27,810
Thank you.

727
00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:29,310
The opportunity.

728
00:39:29,310 --> 00:39:32,310
All right, so listen, I want to
thank everybody for being here

729
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:34,470
tonight.

730
00:39:34,470 --> 00:39:36,910
I want to start by thanking
Adrian for her service

731
00:39:36,910 --> 00:39:38,550
of the community.

732
00:39:38,550 --> 00:39:41,850
Anyone who serves selflessly
should be appreciated.

733
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:44,790
And I thank him for his service.

734
00:39:44,790 --> 00:39:46,950
Betty, I thank you for
your service to district 3

735
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:48,550
and to the community at large.

736
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:50,430
I know as my
commissioner, you're

737
00:39:50,430 --> 00:39:52,270
personally involved in
helping not only myself

738
00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:55,450
but my community through
the storms of 2024.

739
00:39:55,450 --> 00:39:58,710
And I thank you.

740
00:39:58,710 --> 00:40:01,240
I'd like to welcome Karen
back to her leadership

741
00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:04,160
role and continuing leadership
role for district one.

742
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,240
I'd like to welcome again, Al
as he steps into district three

743
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:11,920
commissioner, and I look forward
to working with John, Al,

744
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:15,800
Lisa and Karen as we
work as a commission

745
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,440
to improve ST Pete Beach.

746
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:19,900
Let's step back and
thank my family.

747
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:22,340
I'd like to thank my
parents, Ray and Judy Tate,

748
00:40:22,340 --> 00:40:27,480
for raising me with ethics,
a love for family and a will

749
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,680
to serve your community.

750
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,600
I hope I haven't passed
that along to my children

751
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,040
Scott, Connor, and Casey.

752
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,800
I'm very proud of the young
adults that they've grown into.

753
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,840
I'd like to thank
my wife, Lynette.

754
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,600
You've been by my side through
it all, thick and thin, even.

755
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,400
Not just the ups and
Downs of campaign, but ups

756
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,100
and Downs of life.

757
00:40:44,100 --> 00:40:45,520
And I love you and I
appreciate you for it

758
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,080
to the many friends who I had
before I started this campaign

759
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,480
trail and the many, many
more that I've gained

760
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,960
along this campaign
trail, I thank you

761
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,480
for putting your
trust in my vision

762
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,250
for a better ST Pete Beach.

763
00:40:59,250 --> 00:41:00,850
I look forward to working
with the community

764
00:41:00,850 --> 00:41:03,530
and this commission
and the city staff

765
00:41:03,530 --> 00:41:06,130
to fulfill my campaign
promises, mostly

766
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,250
to make sure that our city's
policies and procedures are

767
00:41:08,250 --> 00:41:11,410
aligned with helping us get
back all of our residents

768
00:41:11,410 --> 00:41:14,330
back in their homes quickly, and
get our small businesses back up

769
00:41:14,330 --> 00:41:15,330
and running.

770
00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:16,350
It's been 18 months.

771
00:41:16,350 --> 00:41:21,330
Let's get our community back
quickly back up and running.

772
00:41:21,330 --> 00:41:23,610
I want to make sure to pursue
all the revenue opportunities

773
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:25,670
that we can from
both our County,

774
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:28,770
state, and federal partners
and that we use our revenues

775
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:32,770
efficiently, mostly to ensure
that we work on the resiliency

776
00:41:32,770 --> 00:41:34,050
of our infrastructure.

777
00:41:34,050 --> 00:41:36,483
We can't stop those
next storms from coming,

778
00:41:36,483 --> 00:41:38,050
but we can make sure that
we're better prepared

779
00:41:38,050 --> 00:41:41,210
and we recover quickly
next time they hit us.

780
00:41:41,210 --> 00:41:44,130
Lastly, I look
forward to a return

781
00:41:44,130 --> 00:41:47,410
not just to our
homes and businesses,

782
00:41:47,410 --> 00:41:49,650
but to that vibrant
ST Pete Beach that's

783
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:51,610
been missing for a while.

784
00:41:51,610 --> 00:41:54,590
We can do important
work as a city,

785
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:56,810
and we'll be up here doing
important work for years

786
00:41:56,810 --> 00:41:59,410
to come.

787
00:41:59,410 --> 00:42:01,470
We can agree on things.

788
00:42:01,470 --> 00:42:04,950
We can disagree
agreeably, no matter what.

789
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:07,010
We all want a better
ST Pete Beach,

790
00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:09,370
and even if we disagree
on how to get there,

791
00:42:09,370 --> 00:42:10,610
we can do it in
agreeable fashion

792
00:42:10,610 --> 00:42:12,530
and be respectful
with each other.

793
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:17,370
And while we're doing important
things, we can also have fun.

794
00:42:17,370 --> 00:42:18,850
And so let's get back
to that community

795
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:21,970
that's laughs and celebrates.

796
00:42:21,970 --> 00:42:25,690
I saw a little bit of it this
past weekend at on Quarry Avenue

797
00:42:25,690 --> 00:42:26,950
for the ST Patrick's Day.

798
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:28,090
It was beautiful.

799
00:42:28,090 --> 00:42:29,690
And let's have
more fun like that

800
00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:31,970
while we do important
things and improve our city.

801
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:32,630
Thank you.

802
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:42,370


803
00:42:42,370 --> 00:42:43,290
All right.

804
00:42:43,290 --> 00:42:45,830
So now we get on to
the city business.

805
00:42:45,830 --> 00:42:50,750
And I'll ask Francis and Ray
to just keep me honest on this,

806
00:42:50,750 --> 00:42:54,210
but I believe we're going to
the approval of the agenda.

807
00:42:54,210 --> 00:42:56,150
And so I'll ask
of the commission.

808
00:42:56,150 --> 00:43:00,380
Are there any proposed
changes to the agenda.

809
00:43:00,380 --> 00:43:03,340
I do have one for consent.

810
00:43:03,340 --> 00:43:13,340
I'd like to pull for discussion
item B. There will be 6B.

811
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:19,640
Yes just a quick reminder that
the consent item, when pulled,

812
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,260
will just go directly
after the approval

813
00:43:21,260 --> 00:43:24,860
of the consent calendar.

814
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:27,360
And we do have a staff
presentation ready for that.

815
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,260


816
00:43:30,260 --> 00:43:33,080
So we'll pull it out of the
consent but still discuss it.

817
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,260
Post with the
staff presentation.

818
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:38,060
Consider the rest of the
consent calendar items

819
00:43:38,060 --> 00:43:40,380
that works for me.

820
00:43:40,380 --> 00:43:42,240
Any other changes
from the commission.

821
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:43,620
I've got one, sir.

822
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:48,260
I'd like to add ordinance
202603 communication

823
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:50,660
and small wireless
facilities design standards

824
00:43:50,660 --> 00:43:52,160
to the discussion items.

825
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:58,030


826
00:43:58,030 --> 00:44:05,790
OK Others.

827
00:44:05,790 --> 00:44:08,470
Karen no.

828
00:44:08,470 --> 00:44:13,970
Is there a motion to approve
the agenda, as amended.

829
00:44:13,970 --> 00:44:16,450
I move to approve the
agenda, as amended.

830
00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:18,190
I second.

831
00:44:18,190 --> 00:44:20,430
City clerk, can you
please do the roll call.

832
00:44:20,430 --> 00:44:21,610
Commissioner Robinson.

833
00:44:21,610 --> 00:44:23,350
Yes, Commissioner.

834
00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:24,370
Yes, Commissioner.

835
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:25,930
Maldonado yes, Mayor.

836
00:44:25,930 --> 00:44:26,950
Tate yes.

837
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:27,450
Vice mayor.

838
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:30,350
Marion yes.

839
00:44:30,350 --> 00:44:32,630
Motion carries.

840
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:35,250
OK thank you very much.

841
00:44:35,250 --> 00:44:38,830
I understand we have some
presentations coming forward,

842
00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:41,130
and I believe the first one
is Country Thunder update.

843
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:47,710


844
00:44:47,710 --> 00:44:49,610
Good evening, Mayor
and commission,

845
00:44:49,610 --> 00:44:53,920
Mandy Edmonds on the
resident services director.

846
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,120
Hi, Mandy.

847
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,560
We're going to go ahead and
go through a presentation

848
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,040
about our planning and
our permitting process

849
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,180
with Country Thunder.

850
00:45:01,180 --> 00:45:04,160
The proposed event
happening at Tradewinds.

851
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,020
Before I get into
the presentation,

852
00:45:06,020 --> 00:45:09,660
I would like to
introduce Kim Blevins.

853
00:45:09,660 --> 00:45:12,740
She is the executive
director of Country Thunder.

854
00:45:12,740 --> 00:45:14,560
She's going to
come up and explain

855
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,040
a little bit about
the event before I

856
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:18,220
get into the presentation.

857
00:45:18,220 --> 00:45:20,820
So, Kim, thank you.

858
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:25,400


859
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,820
Thank you very much
to the commission.

860
00:45:27,820 --> 00:45:30,980
And, Mr. mayor, thank you
for having me tonight.

861
00:45:30,980 --> 00:45:34,520
And to all of the residents,
I that you're very interested

862
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,880
in what I have to say.

863
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,300
I'm not going to
speak very long.

864
00:45:38,300 --> 00:45:41,780
I think that Mandy has a
really thorough presentation,

865
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:44,120
but I did want to
introduce myself.

866
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,920
I am the executive director of
Country Thunder music festivals.

867
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,000
And I wanted to give you a
little bit of information

868
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,350
about us as a business we've
been in business for 20 years,

869
00:45:54,350 --> 00:45:58,010
since, well, 21 now,
since 2005, and we

870
00:45:58,010 --> 00:46:03,370
run seven events in various
properties around North America.

871
00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:06,190
So we've been doing
this a long time.

872
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:10,970
Every time we go into a
new location like this one,

873
00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:13,510
we make an effort to get
involved with the community.

874
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:15,670
And that's one of the reasons
that I'm here tonight,

875
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:20,450
is to hear what everyone has
to say, to answer any questions

876
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:24,090
that people may have,
and just to start

877
00:46:24,090 --> 00:46:27,550
becoming part of the
community of ST Pete Beach.

878
00:46:27,550 --> 00:46:33,010
And as I've seen already,
it looks like it's a very

879
00:46:33,010 --> 00:46:35,350
passionate group of people.

880
00:46:35,350 --> 00:46:38,430
So I look forward to that.

881
00:46:38,430 --> 00:46:43,670
And yeah, I just wanted to let
we do festivals in Arizona,

882
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:47,250
in Wisconsin, and then
we have four in Canada

883
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:51,410
as well as this one, we have
been doing festivals in Florida

884
00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:53,270
since 2019.

885
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:58,090
We used to call Kissimmee home,
and we only left Kissimmee

886
00:46:58,090 --> 00:47:01,450
because the property
that was hosting us

887
00:47:01,450 --> 00:47:04,130
was going through some changes.

888
00:47:04,130 --> 00:47:07,490
We were wiped out by
the same hurricane that

889
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:12,470
affected your community in 2024,
and had to look for a new home.

890
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:20,130
So last year, we approached the
Raymond James Stadium in Tampa,

891
00:47:20,130 --> 00:47:23,650
and we held the festival there
in one of their parking lots

892
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:26,570
and great people to work with.

893
00:47:26,570 --> 00:47:28,730
Very enjoyable experience.

894
00:47:28,730 --> 00:47:31,010
But we found that there's
just so much going

895
00:47:31,010 --> 00:47:34,370
through that
particular event space

896
00:47:34,370 --> 00:47:36,630
that we couldn't call it home.

897
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:40,970
We didn't have enough of
an impact in that area.

898
00:47:40,970 --> 00:47:42,870
So we started looking
for something new,

899
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:46,050
and we had been in
talks with the group

900
00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:50,500
from Tradewinds when we
brought our festival to Tampa,

901
00:47:50,500 --> 00:47:55,620
and we went to the
Bucs beach bash in 2025

902
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,860
and started looking
at the beautiful beach

903
00:47:57,860 --> 00:48:02,860
and thought that this might be a
really nice place to call home.

904
00:48:02,860 --> 00:48:05,500
We know that we've got
some issues that we

905
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:07,700
face that we have to address.

906
00:48:07,700 --> 00:48:12,920
We know that we have to be
good stewards of the property,

907
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,120
and we're here to work
directly with your community,

908
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,420
not against you.

909
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:21,180
We would love to call this
community home for several years

910
00:48:21,180 --> 00:48:22,180
to come.

911
00:48:22,180 --> 00:48:27,140
And again, I'm open to meeting
and chatting with anyone

912
00:48:27,140 --> 00:48:29,920
and I look forward to
Mandy's presentation.

913
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,900
Thank you very much.

914
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:33,120
Can we do questions now.

915
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,340
Thank you.

916
00:48:34,340 --> 00:48:35,560
Yes sorry.

917
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,520
We have a question from
one of the commissioners.

918
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,520
Can you please come back up.

919
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:39,020
Thank you.

920
00:48:39,020 --> 00:48:39,560
Sorry thank you.

921
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,220
That's OK.

922
00:48:41,220 --> 00:48:43,940
How in.

923
00:48:43,940 --> 00:48:45,940
Well, let me ask you, is what
other venues did you look

924
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:48,430
at other than ST Pete Beach.

925
00:48:48,430 --> 00:48:51,150
We've looked at Fort Walton.

926
00:48:51,150 --> 00:48:53,650
There were three
properties, and this one,

927
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:58,910
we thought the actual
space on the beach

928
00:48:58,910 --> 00:49:02,090
would be conducive to
what our plans are,

929
00:49:02,090 --> 00:49:06,870
the way we tend to put
together our properties

930
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:08,210
in very similar manner.

931
00:49:08,210 --> 00:49:10,490
So we've got a setup
that we come in with.

932
00:49:10,490 --> 00:49:13,870
And we thought that
this particular location

933
00:49:13,870 --> 00:49:17,270
worked best for that setup.

934
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:19,590
And how and when
were you made aware

935
00:49:19,590 --> 00:49:23,950
of the environmental
and Wildlife concerns.

936
00:49:23,950 --> 00:49:28,990
Not until after we had
booked our talent for 2026.

937
00:49:28,990 --> 00:49:32,870
So we found out that we were
within the first week of turtle

938
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:37,010
season after that
had happened again,

939
00:49:37,010 --> 00:49:41,530
we don't want to
impede on any wildlife.

940
00:49:41,530 --> 00:49:45,470
We don't want to
cause any issues.

941
00:49:45,470 --> 00:49:49,740
But at this point,
with our talent booked,

942
00:49:49,740 --> 00:49:53,000
it's difficult for us to
get out of those dates

943
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,500
without a very large penalty.

944
00:49:54,500 --> 00:49:58,160
We would have to pay our artists
now to try and move those dates.

945
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,260
So we were hopeful that we
can get through this year,

946
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:04,440
move the dates to a different
date off of turtle season

947
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,680
and be able to move forward.

948
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,540
Are you realize there are other
wildlife than turtles, correct.

949
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:13,120
Correct I do, and
that those dates

950
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,180
are actually earlier than
turtle season correct I do, yep.

951
00:50:16,180 --> 00:50:18,100
So what dates are you
looking for next year.

952
00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:19,220
We haven't decided yet.

953
00:50:19,220 --> 00:50:22,000
I thought I heard there
was something we've got.

954
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,840
Yeah, we've got a date
on the books for April,

955
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:26,920
the week of the 17th.

956
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,520
But that date was
chosen before we

957
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,380
became aware of the bird issue.

958
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:33,320
So now we're looking
at what we want

959
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,600
to do is get through this
year, then figure out

960
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,080
where when we can come back.

961
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,420
So you still pick the dates.

962
00:50:41,420 --> 00:50:43,700
Regardless, you're still
going with those dates,

963
00:50:43,700 --> 00:50:48,360
regardless of whether there's
a nesting season or not.

964
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:49,740
This particular one.

965
00:50:49,740 --> 00:50:55,680
Yes Do you normally sell tickets
in advance of securing a venue

966
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,360
and that are non-refundable?

967
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:58,060
Pardon me.

968
00:50:58,060 --> 00:51:01,820
Do you normally sell
concert or festival tickets.

969
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:06,200
Non-refundable tickets in
advance of securing a venue.

970
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:10,660
No so you do not have a
permit as it stands now.

971
00:51:10,660 --> 00:51:11,880
Correct Correct.

972
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,580
But you have sold non-refundable
tickets for this venue.

973
00:51:15,580 --> 00:51:16,580
Correct yep.

974
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:20,000
Do you have a plan B,
another backup venue.

975
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:20,580
We don't.

976
00:51:20,580 --> 00:51:23,360
At this time, we're hopeful
that we'll get our permit.

977
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,020
Is that wise to not
have a backup venue.

978
00:51:26,020 --> 00:51:29,280
Well, our show in Arizona,
we don't get our permit

979
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:33,180
approved until probably
two weeks before each show.

980
00:51:33,180 --> 00:51:35,540
Do they have wildlife
issues in Arizona.

981
00:51:35,540 --> 00:51:37,840
No, but they have other
issues that I mean,

982
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,480
the permitting
process in Arizona

983
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,290
is much more lengthy
than this process

984
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:47,070
and this is the first
community involvement.

985
00:51:47,070 --> 00:51:50,450
We're six weeks out and
you've been talking about this

986
00:51:50,450 --> 00:51:54,690
and secured your talents when
we actually have to secure

987
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:56,590
our talent a year in advance.

988
00:51:56,590 --> 00:51:59,370
So you secured it
a year in advance,

989
00:51:59,370 --> 00:52:02,370
knowing that this was going to
be the venue you chose, and this

990
00:52:02,370 --> 00:52:04,090
is the first time
you've actually

991
00:52:04,090 --> 00:52:06,690
done any community involvement.

992
00:52:06,690 --> 00:52:07,510
No, not at all.

993
00:52:07,510 --> 00:52:09,990
We've been working through
our partners at Tradewinds.

994
00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:14,570
We've been letting them take
the lead on our permit process

995
00:52:14,570 --> 00:52:16,770
because they actually
live in the community.

996
00:52:16,770 --> 00:52:20,550
OK I don't believe from a
residential resident standpoint,

997
00:52:20,550 --> 00:52:24,090
other than talking to the
city, that there has been

998
00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:26,610
anything I mean,
the residents are

999
00:52:26,610 --> 00:52:29,210
pretty much blindsided by this.

1000
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:32,050
Well, we had hoped to
create some communication

1001
00:52:32,050 --> 00:52:34,270
and provide that
to the residents,

1002
00:52:34,270 --> 00:52:38,090
but we wanted to wait for the
permit process to be complete.

1003
00:52:38,090 --> 00:52:42,980
And if it doesn't go
you do not get a permit.

1004
00:52:42,980 --> 00:52:44,500
What happens then.

1005
00:52:44,500 --> 00:52:47,700
Then we have to look at
what we're going to do.

1006
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,840
Because the concern too
is it's nesting season.

1007
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,620
The problem being, as the
potentially they won't come back

1008
00:52:54,620 --> 00:52:57,900
or wildlife will not
come back if there's

1009
00:52:57,900 --> 00:53:01,500
a yearly situation where
it's during nesting season.

1010
00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:04,140
So you have the option
to move those dates

1011
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:06,420
to non nesting season dates.

1012
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:08,940
Yes right where if
you did that we'd

1013
00:53:08,940 --> 00:53:11,060
still get our turtles
and our skimmers

1014
00:53:11,060 --> 00:53:13,320
and our other
wildlife coming back.

1015
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,120
And as well, you would get
your crowds coming back.

1016
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,740
So it's kind of a win-win.

1017
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:21,420
Whereas this really isn't a
win-win for environmentally

1018
00:53:21,420 --> 00:53:24,920
and/or our sea turtles
and our skimmers.

1019
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:26,660
Yes and there's been
hundreds and hundreds

1020
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:30,660
of hours and volunteer
time to build up

1021
00:53:30,660 --> 00:53:33,020
and to restore our
dunes and to plant

1022
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:35,000
sea oats and everything else.

1023
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,380
It's a really
special to us here.

1024
00:53:38,380 --> 00:53:42,030
Absolutely and I just want you
to realize that because this

1025
00:53:42,030 --> 00:53:44,770
may not be met with a great.

1026
00:53:44,770 --> 00:53:47,390


1027
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:51,150
Happy hearts from a residential
standpoint on this, because we

1028
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:54,650
do care quite a bit
about our beaches,

1029
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:56,910
our wildlife, and
as well the impacts

1030
00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:58,710
that it has to this community.

1031
00:53:58,710 --> 00:54:01,630
So what benefit does it
bring to the community, not

1032
00:54:01,630 --> 00:54:02,410
the businesses.

1033
00:54:02,410 --> 00:54:03,770
I'm talking the residents.

1034
00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:07,350
What benefit does it bring to
the residents in this community.

1035
00:54:07,350 --> 00:54:10,190
Well, we look at it from a
couple of different angles

1036
00:54:10,190 --> 00:54:13,430
that it's another
entertainment source.

1037
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:16,510
And we're also trying to get
involved with local community

1038
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:18,230
organizations.

1039
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:24,670
I just met with the Cape ST
Pete Beach clean organization.

1040
00:54:24,670 --> 00:54:28,670
The Tradewinds staff have been
talking to the turtle trackers.

1041
00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:32,310
I want to get in touch
with the Audubon Society.

1042
00:54:32,310 --> 00:54:35,790
We're also working with
a group called hurricane.

1043
00:54:35,790 --> 00:54:38,720
Hurricane helpers that
I believe are helping

1044
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:41,040
some of the local
residents in ST Pete Beach

1045
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:42,780
rebuild their homes.

1046
00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:44,920
So this is 6 weeks out and
you're just now talking

1047
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,160
to these people, or
you're telling me

1048
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,140
you've been talking
for the last year.

1049
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:50,760
No, not for the
last year, but we've

1050
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,380
been talking for a few months.

1051
00:54:52,380 --> 00:54:53,720
Yes, absolutely.

1052
00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:56,140
It's kind of six weeks out.

1053
00:54:56,140 --> 00:55:00,620
Six weeks out is really a close
time period, as I understand.

1054
00:55:00,620 --> 00:55:03,760
Yeah OK.

1055
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:08,340
And do you value
community support.

1056
00:55:08,340 --> 00:55:13,180
Absolutely and again
what other benefits.

1057
00:55:13,180 --> 00:55:16,120
I mean, what benefits are
you bringing to the community

1058
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:18,200
to the residents.

1059
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,640
Well, I mean, it's obvious what
it's bringing to the hoteliers

1060
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,520
and potentially the
small businesses

1061
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,840
because those will be the ones
that are open up After hours.

1062
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,800
Yes because if they're
not opened after

1063
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,280
your hours at 10:00,
then it's not really

1064
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,300
going to do them any good.

1065
00:55:35,300 --> 00:55:36,760
Plus you're bringing
a bunch of people

1066
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:41,320
in because well, it made me do
some of the local businesses,

1067
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:41,820
some good.

1068
00:55:41,820 --> 00:55:44,480
If people are coming into
the area earlier before

1069
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,860
they go to the festival site.

1070
00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:48,230
Our festival site opens
at 1 o'clock or two

1071
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:50,500
o'clock every day, so
they have the opportunity.

1072
00:55:50,500 --> 00:55:53,080
Plus if they come
in, they can go

1073
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:57,520
and go to some of these local
businesses during the day

1074
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,200
as well.

1075
00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,640
It doesn't have to be
just after 10 o'clock

1076
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:00,960
o'clock o'clock o'clock.

1077
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,120
But the biggest, absolutely, the
biggest thing is going to be,

1078
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:06,320
you're selling your own food.

1079
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:08,640
So it's a festival environment.

1080
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,840
I mean, those who haven't
gone to festivals it's almost

1081
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,560
like an all inclusive resort.

1082
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:16,800
You're in there and I
don't do your wristbands

1083
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,840
allow you to go in and out
or are they one and only.

1084
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,180
You can go out once
during the day.

1085
00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:24,160
So if somebody comes
in early and wants

1086
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,660
to leave and go get lunch or
what have you, they can do that.

1087
00:56:26,660 --> 00:56:30,720
So one time OK, so
that how many tickets

1088
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:36,050
are you looking to sell our
cap for that area is 12,000.

1089
00:56:36,050 --> 00:56:38,810
I'm hoping for 8 to 10.

1090
00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:42,970
And how do you
validate those numbers.

1091
00:56:42,970 --> 00:56:44,730
Just through our
sales, everything

1092
00:56:44,730 --> 00:56:47,890
goes through our website,
through our ticketing company.

1093
00:56:47,890 --> 00:56:53,950
And you're looking at this the
application says a yearly event.

1094
00:56:53,950 --> 00:56:54,670
Is that correct.

1095
00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:55,430
Yes, that's correct.

1096
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:57,630
Have you done any other
beach events before.

1097
00:56:57,630 --> 00:56:58,970
I have not, no.

1098
00:56:58,970 --> 00:57:01,290
And any of the companies
you're working with in hiring

1099
00:57:01,290 --> 00:57:01,910
have they.

1100
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:02,990
Our production company.

1101
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:04,710
Yes or stage production company.

1102
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:08,490
Premier global production.

1103
00:57:08,490 --> 00:57:10,590
So they've done
shows like tortuga.

1104
00:57:10,590 --> 00:57:13,130
They've done hangout.

1105
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:17,570
They've done several beach
shows over the last 25 years.

1106
00:57:17,570 --> 00:57:22,490
OK I've worked hang out before,
so I'm familiar with that

1107
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:24,030
and the setup as well.

1108
00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:30,770
So I just want to warn you,
just don't be surprised

1109
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:33,810
if you get a large backlash
from the community in regards

1110
00:57:33,810 --> 00:57:36,640
to this, I understand
because we do value.

1111
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,540
I mean, we have it
in our Comp plan

1112
00:57:38,540 --> 00:57:41,320
as taking care of our wildlife.

1113
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,800
I mean, if it's that
important, we put it in there.

1114
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,620
Sure no I understand.

1115
00:57:45,620 --> 00:57:46,500
OK thank you.

1116
00:57:46,500 --> 00:57:47,000
Thank you.

1117
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:47,500
Thank you.

1118
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,060
Please, Commissioner Maldonado.

1119
00:57:49,060 --> 00:57:51,120
Hey I call you Kim.

1120
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:52,260
Yes, absolutely.

1121
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:54,740
Kim, have you considered
having it off the beach

1122
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:57,060
on the parking lot side.

1123
00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:59,420
We have considered that.

1124
00:57:59,420 --> 00:58:02,700
We're hopeful that we don't have
to do that because that changes

1125
00:58:02,700 --> 00:58:05,480
a whole range of things.

1126
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,260
How people enter the site.

1127
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:08,540
That sort of thing.

1128
00:58:08,540 --> 00:58:12,380
So it's a consideration, but
we're hopeful that we don't

1129
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:14,700
have to go that direction.

1130
00:58:14,700 --> 00:58:16,240
So it's a convenience thing.

1131
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,060
Planning and logistics
versus necessity.

1132
00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:22,940
No, it has to do with
our ingress and egress.

1133
00:58:22,940 --> 00:58:24,980
That particular part
of the parking lot

1134
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:27,280
is part of our
ingress and egress.

1135
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:32,340
It's the biggest, widest walk
path to get to the beach area

1136
00:58:32,340 --> 00:58:35,030
and we would prefer to use
that as an entrance as opposed

1137
00:58:35,030 --> 00:58:36,410
to putting our stage there.

1138
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:38,990
Who gets the final say on that.

1139
00:58:38,990 --> 00:58:44,350
I mean, our organizer, our
permit is based off of the maps

1140
00:58:44,350 --> 00:58:47,950
that we have submitted, and
the maps that we have submitted

1141
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:49,110
are the ones that
we've submitted

1142
00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:50,790
to the city of ST Pete Beach.

1143
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:54,190
But ultimately, you're
the decision maker.

1144
00:58:54,190 --> 00:58:55,490
Yes OK.

1145
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:57,750
Thank you.

1146
00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:58,810
I have one more question.

1147
00:58:58,810 --> 00:59:01,930
Sorry what is a take permit.

1148
00:59:01,930 --> 00:59:04,030
An incidental take permit.

1149
00:59:04,030 --> 00:59:06,870
It has to do with
nesting shorebirds.

1150
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:10,170
And it's an incidental
take permit.

1151
00:59:10,170 --> 00:59:15,390
So from my understanding, from
talking to fish and Wildlife,

1152
00:59:15,390 --> 00:59:17,950
it's a permit that allows you.

1153
00:59:17,950 --> 00:59:19,730
How do I put this.

1154
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:22,910


1155
00:59:22,910 --> 00:59:26,410
You're not looking to do any
harm to any nesting birds,

1156
00:59:26,410 --> 00:59:30,730
but if that happens, then
you're not liable for it.

1157
00:59:30,730 --> 00:59:32,130
So you could kill birds.

1158
00:59:32,130 --> 00:59:33,570
I don't want to kill birds.

1159
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:34,090
No, but.

1160
00:59:34,090 --> 00:59:36,530
But you could with a take
permit, I guess so, I mean,

1161
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:39,870
it's been suggested from
Fish and Wildlife that we

1162
00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:41,670
submit that permit, so that's.

1163
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:42,910
I think that's the
only way you could

1164
00:59:42,910 --> 00:59:46,630
actually do this festival on the
beach, considering the wildlife.

1165
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:49,110
So I don't know that for a
fact, but you would probably

1166
00:59:49,110 --> 00:59:51,150
know better than I. But yes.

1167
00:59:51,150 --> 00:59:54,190
So a take permit, an
incidental take permit

1168
00:59:54,190 --> 00:59:59,510
allows you to do harm to
the birds or the wildlife

1169
00:59:59,510 --> 01:00:01,110
than endangered wildlife.

1170
01:00:01,110 --> 01:00:05,990
OK I just want to make that
clear that everybody realizes

1171
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:08,330
that the residents realize that.

1172
01:00:08,330 --> 01:00:12,030
And that's what you're
asking for to happen.

1173
01:00:12,030 --> 01:00:13,450
I'm not asking for it.

1174
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:16,090
Well, to have this on for us to.

1175
01:00:16,090 --> 01:00:18,750
Well, that's what you have
to have to be able to have

1176
01:00:18,750 --> 01:00:20,210
what you're asking for.

1177
01:00:20,210 --> 01:00:22,270
Yes, but that does not
mean that we are going

1178
01:00:22,270 --> 01:00:24,250
to actively harm any birds.

1179
01:00:24,250 --> 01:00:27,570
No, but you're asking for a
permit to allow that to happen.

1180
01:00:27,570 --> 01:00:30,480
If it does, can we clarify who's
asking for the take permit,

1181
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:30,980
is it.

1182
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:31,940
I assume you're not.

1183
01:00:31,940 --> 01:00:34,380
No I'm guessing
it's asked by whom.

1184
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:38,140
Please so, Department
of Fish and Wildlife.

1185
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:38,940
Fish and Wildlife.

1186
01:00:38,940 --> 01:00:39,620
That's correct.

1187
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:41,920
OK thank you.

1188
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,120
I also understand we have
a presentation from Andy.

1189
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:47,360
Are we ready to go
forward with that.

1190
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,680
Thank you.

1191
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:49,480
Thanks, Kim.

1192
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:49,980
Thank you.

1193
01:00:49,980 --> 01:00:55,200
Kim OK, so let's get into
the presentation here.

1194
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:56,540
Let's give an overview.

1195
01:00:56,540 --> 01:00:58,800
So the overview is
the dates are proposed

1196
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,880
for May 8 through the 10th.

1197
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,720
The venue is Tradewinds
resort and the promoter

1198
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:04,740
is Country Thunder.

1199
01:01:04,740 --> 01:01:07,200
So the environmental groups
that have been actively working

1200
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,340
on this has been the Audubon
Society sea turtle trackers,

1201
01:01:11,340 --> 01:01:15,560
FWC, which is Florida Fish and
Wildlife, and Florida Department

1202
01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:18,200
of Environmental Protection.

1203
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,880
Pinellas County Sheriff's
OFS will be doing the law

1204
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,920
enforcement at this
event, and the ST.

1205
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,840
Pete Beach Fire Rescue will be
providing emergency services.

1206
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:30,370
We are also working
the event organizer

1207
01:01:30,370 --> 01:01:33,550
and Tradewinds is working
directly with waste connections,

1208
01:01:33,550 --> 01:01:36,170
and Country Thunder will
have an on site vendor

1209
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:39,850
for their waste collections.

1210
01:01:39,850 --> 01:01:43,410
So our guiding principles, we
are reviewing our Comp plan

1211
01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:46,410
and our special event permit
guidelines to make sure that we

1212
01:01:46,410 --> 01:01:47,950
are following the process.

1213
01:01:47,950 --> 01:01:50,690


1214
01:01:50,690 --> 01:01:52,890
So the permitting
process starts out

1215
01:01:52,890 --> 01:01:56,770
with Tradewinds has submitted a
special event permit to the city

1216
01:01:56,770 --> 01:01:58,890
requesting this concert.

1217
01:01:58,890 --> 01:02:00,110
May 8 through the 10th.

1218
01:02:00,110 --> 01:02:03,150
So when a special event
permit has been submitted,

1219
01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:05,010
the requirements
of the city include

1220
01:02:05,010 --> 01:02:08,150
the traffic plan, a
parking plan, site plan,

1221
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:11,210
hold harmless agreement and
certificate of insurance.

1222
01:02:11,210 --> 01:02:15,210
Some other things
may be required

1223
01:02:15,210 --> 01:02:18,050
just depending on the size of
the event and the location.

1224
01:02:18,050 --> 01:02:20,010
So in this case, because
the stage is going

1225
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:26,540
to be constructed on the West
side of the coastal construction

1226
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:27,860
control volume.

1227
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:30,940
The permit has then been.

1228
01:02:30,940 --> 01:02:32,460
The applicant has
then been requested

1229
01:02:32,460 --> 01:02:35,220
to obtain a permit
from Florida Department

1230
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:38,260
of Environmental Protection.

1231
01:02:38,260 --> 01:02:41,620
Dep is also requiring
the applicant

1232
01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:45,560
to address some of the FWC
concerns that has been outlined.

1233
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,100
So they've been actively
going back and forth

1234
01:02:48,100 --> 01:02:50,700
with questions pertaining
to the shorebirds

1235
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:53,060
and the nesting turtles.

1236
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:56,140
And they've been
addressing Tradewinds

1237
01:02:56,140 --> 01:02:58,340
and Country Thunder have
been addressing the concerns

1238
01:02:58,340 --> 01:03:00,800
outlined in the DEP request.

1239
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,380


1240
01:03:03,380 --> 01:03:06,260
So as of today, Department
of Environmental Protection

1241
01:03:06,260 --> 01:03:09,820
has not issued a permit
and nor has the city.

1242
01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:12,980
The process is because we
have requested the Department

1243
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:14,320
of Environmental Protection.

1244
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:15,900
Once we receive
that permit, then we

1245
01:03:15,900 --> 01:03:18,620
will have the go ahead to
issue a special event permit

1246
01:03:18,620 --> 01:03:19,880
depending on the outline.

1247
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,940


1248
01:03:22,940 --> 01:03:26,470
This is a subject
to change site map.

1249
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:30,590
You'll notice that on the
Northeast side of the property

1250
01:03:30,590 --> 01:03:34,470
will be the main entrance,
and on the Southwest side

1251
01:03:34,470 --> 01:03:36,470
will be the main stage.

1252
01:03:36,470 --> 01:03:37,550
The subject.

1253
01:03:37,550 --> 01:03:38,930
This is subject to change.

1254
01:03:38,930 --> 01:03:40,970
We're still working through
some of the logistics.

1255
01:03:40,970 --> 01:03:45,390
And again, it will all go
back to the results of the DEP

1256
01:03:45,390 --> 01:03:47,750
permit and any other
logistical concerns

1257
01:03:47,750 --> 01:03:51,470
that we may come across.

1258
01:03:51,470 --> 01:03:52,910
So some of the
mitigating factors

1259
01:03:52,910 --> 01:03:54,230
that we're going
to go over, we'll

1260
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:56,090
start with the
environmental portion,

1261
01:03:56,090 --> 01:03:57,550
which is the shorebirds.

1262
01:03:57,550 --> 01:04:02,650
So the city is the city
is not constructing,

1263
01:04:02,650 --> 01:04:04,110
but the city is
designing whatever

1264
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:07,190
a memorandum of
understanding that

1265
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:11,210
will be provided to the venue,
as well as to Country Thunder,

1266
01:04:11,210 --> 01:04:14,470
in that it's going to outline
some of the requirements

1267
01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:15,170
from the city.

1268
01:04:15,170 --> 01:04:18,550
It's going to be
capping the sound to 85.

1269
01:04:18,550 --> 01:04:20,710
No drones, no pyrotechnics.

1270
01:04:20,710 --> 01:04:24,070
On site parking for
four Audubon personnel

1271
01:04:24,070 --> 01:04:28,230
hired the Audubon educator with
tent space on the event site.

1272
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:31,510
Day of event bird monitoring
and Pinellas County Sheriff's

1273
01:04:31,510 --> 01:04:34,430
Office personnel to
assist with enforcement

1274
01:04:34,430 --> 01:04:36,310
of the bird monitoring.

1275
01:04:36,310 --> 01:04:39,950
We have also requested that no
future large scale music events

1276
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:41,810
occur during Shorebird season.

1277
01:04:41,810 --> 01:04:45,430


1278
01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:46,330
The environmental.

1279
01:04:46,330 --> 01:04:48,530
The environmental
portion for the turtles.

1280
01:04:48,530 --> 01:04:51,190
We will continue to have
daily turtle monitoring

1281
01:04:51,190 --> 01:04:52,950
by the sea turtle trackers.

1282
01:04:52,950 --> 01:04:55,470
Bruno falkenstien
is here tonight.

1283
01:04:55,470 --> 01:04:56,810
He is our principal.

1284
01:04:56,810 --> 01:04:58,270
Florida Fish and
Wildlife Commission

1285
01:04:58,270 --> 01:05:01,630
permit holder for ST
Pete Beach identified

1286
01:05:01,630 --> 01:05:04,670
nests will be secured, and
the city requested again

1287
01:05:04,670 --> 01:05:06,990
that no future large
scale events happen

1288
01:05:06,990 --> 01:05:08,490
during the nesting season.

1289
01:05:08,490 --> 01:05:11,750


1290
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:14,950
ST Pete Beach Fire Rescue will
be the lead presence for on site

1291
01:05:14,950 --> 01:05:16,910
emergency operations.

1292
01:05:16,910 --> 01:05:19,350
The Tradewinds will be providing
a suite for the emergency

1293
01:05:19,350 --> 01:05:21,670
operations center.

1294
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:25,040
Country thunder will be
providing the evacuation plan

1295
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,960
and inclement weather plan, and
provide details to that effect.

1296
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:33,140
Atvs will be used for in
crowd, medical emergency,

1297
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:36,200
and the ST. Pete Beach
fire department has already

1298
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,880
designed a tentative staffing
plan based on the site

1299
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,580
layout, which could be changed.

1300
01:05:41,580 --> 01:05:44,160


1301
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:45,680
Pinellas County
Sheriff's OFS will

1302
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,060
be responsible for the
traffic management plan.

1303
01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:51,080
They are in progress
of creating that plan.

1304
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,600
It has not been
submitted to date.

1305
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,400
Ingress and egress management
for the buses and emergency

1306
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,040
services vehicles
will be outlined

1307
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:00,680
in that plan, as well
as crowd management

1308
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,140
outside of the event zone.

1309
01:06:02,140 --> 01:06:05,400
So outside of the
concert zone, basically

1310
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:07,300
from County park
to upland beach,

1311
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:11,640
depending on volume
of participants.

1312
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:13,960
Residents in they will have
presence in the emergency

1313
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,720
operations center,
and they will also

1314
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,370
have a patrol boat off the
Coast of the Tradewinds beach.

1315
01:06:21,370 --> 01:06:22,430
The traffic plan.

1316
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:25,810
Again, this is going to
be done by the Pinellas

1317
01:06:25,810 --> 01:06:26,910
County Sheriff's Office.

1318
01:06:26,910 --> 01:06:28,470
It has not been
submitted to date,

1319
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:30,010
but we are actively
working along

1320
01:06:30,010 --> 01:06:33,170
with Tradewinds and Country
Thunder on all of this.

1321
01:06:33,170 --> 01:06:35,890
So some of the initial concerns
that were identified was

1322
01:06:35,890 --> 01:06:39,470
the traffic signal management
on 75th Ave at Boca ciega,

1323
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:42,370
blind pass, and Gulf Boulevard.

1324
01:06:42,370 --> 01:06:44,610
We also have discussed
closing the left

1325
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:48,910
turn lane on mangrove and 75th
and closing the left turn.

1326
01:06:48,910 --> 01:06:53,050
Cut through access on blind
pass, Boca ciega and Gulf winds.

1327
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:55,490
And there's been discussion
around traffic flow management

1328
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:57,510
during peak times
on Gulf Boulevard.

1329
01:06:57,510 --> 01:06:59,610
The peak times right
now has been determined

1330
01:06:59,610 --> 01:07:03,050
to be 4:00 PM to 7:00 PM.

1331
01:07:03,050 --> 01:07:06,490
And then when we say the left
turn signal, and the left,

1332
01:07:06,490 --> 01:07:11,030
it's going to reverse at
the conclusion of the event.

1333
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:13,690


1334
01:07:13,690 --> 01:07:15,030
Transportation and parking.

1335
01:07:15,030 --> 01:07:16,870
So plans have not been
submitted to date.

1336
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:19,050
But again, we are actively
working with Tradewinds

1337
01:07:19,050 --> 01:07:23,100
and Country Thunder, who is
actively working with the Tampa

1338
01:07:23,100 --> 01:07:27,060
Bay Rays to secure Tropicana
Field as their primary parking

1339
01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:28,540
location.

1340
01:07:28,540 --> 01:07:31,340
They will have shuttle buses to
and from the Tradewinds event

1341
01:07:31,340 --> 01:07:32,220
site.

1342
01:07:32,220 --> 01:07:37,340
A rideshare drop off at rum
rum fish property and the city

1343
01:07:37,340 --> 01:07:39,480
will increase parking
enforcement that weekend.

1344
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,580


1345
01:07:42,580 --> 01:07:45,920
Waste services again actively
working with waste connections.

1346
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:46,720
Country thunder.

1347
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:49,800
Tradewinds so this has not
been submitted to date,

1348
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,620
but we did have discussions that
waste connections will provide

1349
01:07:52,620 --> 01:07:55,580
30 yard dumpsters, 8
yard dumpsters, and trash

1350
01:07:55,580 --> 01:07:58,220
toters for the event site.

1351
01:07:58,220 --> 01:07:59,900
There will be a
third party company

1352
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:03,100
to be used for the daily
trash collections on site,

1353
01:08:03,100 --> 01:08:06,660
as well as the nightly sweep
and cleanup for the next day.

1354
01:08:06,660 --> 01:08:10,380
Morning dumpster pickup will
happen before the gates open,

1355
01:08:10,380 --> 01:08:13,260
and then the city is requesting
additional 8 yard dumpsters

1356
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:16,300
to be placed on Upham beach,
or to be placed on the beach

1357
01:08:16,300 --> 01:08:19,859
between Upham and County park,
similar to what we currently do

1358
01:08:19,859 --> 01:08:23,020
for any kind of 4th
of July activities,

1359
01:08:23,020 --> 01:08:25,220
so additional city
staff will be provided

1360
01:08:25,220 --> 01:08:28,460
for extra trash collection
outside of the event zone.

1361
01:08:28,460 --> 01:08:29,720
We'll be working with them.

1362
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,020


1363
01:08:33,020 --> 01:08:35,920
Business support for economic
development opportunities.

1364
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:40,359
So may is traditionally a
slower hotel occupancy time.

1365
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:45,300
So that's going to be a
direct benefit to Tradewinds

1366
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:47,220
and other hoteliers.

1367
01:08:47,220 --> 01:08:50,260
Indirect benefits will
include the local businesses

1368
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:51,399
serving visitors.

1369
01:08:51,399 --> 01:08:54,220
So retail restaurant,
bars any of those kind

1370
01:08:54,220 --> 01:08:56,640
of auxiliary locations.

1371
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,859
And then the induced will
be the temporary employment

1372
01:08:58,859 --> 01:09:01,660
non event related spending.

1373
01:09:01,660 --> 01:09:05,260
So we're increasing synergy
across small business community.

1374
01:09:05,260 --> 01:09:07,500
We will also have
national brand visibility

1375
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:11,580
and recognition in both
earned and organic media.

1376
01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,979
Another benefit will be the
attraction of future talent

1377
01:09:14,979 --> 01:09:15,800
and investment.

1378
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:18,029
That could be
additional businesses

1379
01:09:18,029 --> 01:09:21,350
that may come to ST Pete
Beach, or maybe some residents

1380
01:09:21,350 --> 01:09:23,390
that come for the
event and then love it

1381
01:09:23,390 --> 01:09:24,689
so much they just want to stay.

1382
01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:27,270


1383
01:09:27,270 --> 01:09:28,569
City communications.

1384
01:09:28,569 --> 01:09:30,569
So this will be led
by Mark Portugal.

1385
01:09:30,569 --> 01:09:32,710
He is our
communications manager.

1386
01:09:32,710 --> 01:09:35,950
There will be multi-channel
updates as plans progress.

1387
01:09:35,950 --> 01:09:39,470
Public awareness around the
environmental stewardship

1388
01:09:39,470 --> 01:09:42,370
reinforce the parking and
transportation restrictions.

1389
01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:44,550
Will work closely with
the marketing manager

1390
01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:48,069
through with Country Thunder.

1391
01:09:48,069 --> 01:09:50,630
We'll have reminders of
Country Thunder event rules

1392
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:53,550
and regulations, and
respond to and redirect

1393
01:09:53,550 --> 01:09:56,430
media inquiries
before and/or the days

1394
01:09:56,430 --> 01:09:58,510
leading up to the event.

1395
01:09:58,510 --> 01:10:01,510
So we'll also be in the position
to support the city manager

1396
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:05,790
and city commission as needed.

1397
01:10:05,790 --> 01:10:06,930
So the next steps.

1398
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:10,510
We are still waiting on
the DEP permit approval.

1399
01:10:10,510 --> 01:10:15,040
Then that would trigger the
special event permit approval

1400
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,120
issuance of the memorandum
of understanding to the event

1401
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,400
organizer and venue.

1402
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:22,640
And then calculate and
submit the reimbursement

1403
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,880
costs for all city
resources used so

1404
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,760
Sheriff, Fire Rescue
public services, and such.

1405
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,340
So with that, I
will take questions.

1406
01:10:32,340 --> 01:10:35,560


1407
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:42,880
What is the projected
attendance of non-ticket holders

1408
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:47,400
that we haven't really
had the discussion around.

1409
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,840
I'm not sure if in
other events, if that's

1410
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:52,760
something that's come about.

1411
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:58,780
Do you ever one of our events
we have the perimeter fenced.

1412
01:10:58,780 --> 01:11:01,440
We have very small
number of not even

1413
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:04,280
100 people that will come and
try and look through the fence.

1414
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:05,920
This entire property
will be fenced

1415
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,460
for the duration of the event.

1416
01:11:07,460 --> 01:11:08,640
There will be no.

1417
01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:10,440
No way, unless you're
staying at the hotel

1418
01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:14,890
to be able to see
the performances.

1419
01:11:14,890 --> 01:11:19,090
So in our experience, we
haven't had a ton of people

1420
01:11:19,090 --> 01:11:21,490
try and help them.

1421
01:11:21,490 --> 01:11:24,210
Can I ask please just I
appreciate you answering.

1422
01:11:24,210 --> 01:11:26,390
If you answer, if you come
up so we can get on record,

1423
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:27,650
on the mic, if you can.

1424
01:11:27,650 --> 01:11:32,130
So yeah, if you can paraphrase
but so next time please come up

1425
01:11:32,130 --> 01:11:32,630
please.

1426
01:11:32,630 --> 01:11:32,990
And just.

1427
01:11:32,990 --> 01:11:33,490
Yeah thank you.

1428
01:11:33,490 --> 01:11:35,290
What Kim was saying
is that basically

1429
01:11:35,290 --> 01:11:39,010
the whole property, the event
zone is going to be fenced in.

1430
01:11:39,010 --> 01:11:42,530
So it really will deter people
from standing outside along

1431
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:44,190
and then along the water line.

1432
01:11:44,190 --> 01:11:46,090
They're going to try to keep
people moving and flowing

1433
01:11:46,090 --> 01:11:47,890
through so that
we have an active,

1434
01:11:47,890 --> 01:11:50,130
we have an open lane for
people to be able to walk

1435
01:11:50,130 --> 01:11:52,050
through and traverse.

1436
01:11:52,050 --> 01:11:54,370
But it is customary
use and it is a beach.

1437
01:11:54,370 --> 01:11:54,870
It is.

1438
01:11:54,870 --> 01:11:56,430
So it is there.

1439
01:11:56,430 --> 01:11:59,930
There is public that
can be outside of those.

1440
01:11:59,930 --> 01:12:02,770
And the stages are
high and the fences

1441
01:12:02,770 --> 01:12:06,890
aren't as high as the stage
is and the sound travels.

1442
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:10,970
So there will be a
significant I would

1443
01:12:10,970 --> 01:12:14,260
say, a outside draw to this.

1444
01:12:14,260 --> 01:12:19,420
What plans are made to
accommodate that outside draw.

1445
01:12:19,420 --> 01:12:22,620
Well, we're going to we've
asked Pinellas County

1446
01:12:22,620 --> 01:12:24,940
Sheriff's Office to
increase staffing

1447
01:12:24,940 --> 01:12:27,780
outside of the event zone.

1448
01:12:27,780 --> 01:12:29,500
Who's that paid by.

1449
01:12:29,500 --> 01:12:32,800
That will be paid by Country
Thunder and Tradewinds.

1450
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,620
They'll work on the
payment through them.

1451
01:12:36,620 --> 01:12:40,640
But that's what we're basically
trying to move people along,

1452
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,220
trying to prevent people from
just kind of hanging out there

1453
01:12:44,220 --> 01:12:48,640
and trying to get a free
show and open beach.

1454
01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:51,020
So there will be people
set up and they will be

1455
01:12:51,020 --> 01:12:52,600
trying to listen to the event.

1456
01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,560
And are there any
arrangements for that.

1457
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,060
Country thunder is providing
portlets or porta potties

1458
01:12:59,060 --> 01:13:02,380
and anything else outside
of the festival grounds

1459
01:13:02,380 --> 01:13:06,500
for that overflow
attendance, because as we all

1460
01:13:06,500 --> 01:13:09,880
know that live here,
people park near our yards.

1461
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:14,700
They park on our sprinkler
heads when they pull up

1462
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:19,860
and they leave their trash
and amongst other things

1463
01:13:19,860 --> 01:13:21,260
that they do.

1464
01:13:21,260 --> 01:13:24,220
So I just want to
be prepared for that

1465
01:13:24,220 --> 01:13:27,060
and to have limited
if any of that.

1466
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:29,280
We have started
communications with that.

1467
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:33,100
We did talk about adding
additional portlets, maybe

1468
01:13:33,100 --> 01:13:35,800
at the North end
of the Tradewinds,

1469
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,180
and possibly even at Upham
beach and County park

1470
01:13:38,180 --> 01:13:40,640
to funnel people to those areas.

1471
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:42,400
We figure that's where
people will go most.

1472
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,760
So we are still working through
that with that logistics,

1473
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:50,320
with Country Thunder and
Tradewinds and as well, Corey,

1474
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,360
because I can imagine Corey
might get some overflow as well.

1475
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:54,760
Corey possibly as well.

1476
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,620
So yes, it's
something that we're

1477
01:13:56,620 --> 01:13:59,420
still in the planning process
of and it will be addressed.

1478
01:13:59,420 --> 01:14:00,820
Well, it's just six
weeks out, so planning

1479
01:14:00,820 --> 01:14:03,980
is going to get of short soon.

1480
01:14:03,980 --> 01:14:09,200
OK thank you Mr.
Marriott thank you.

1481
01:14:09,200 --> 01:14:09,930
Thanks, Mandy.

1482
01:14:09,930 --> 01:14:11,810
I appreciate the
presentation and.

1483
01:14:11,810 --> 01:14:14,190
And I appreciate you and the
rest of your staff's hard work

1484
01:14:14,190 --> 01:14:14,730
on this.

1485
01:14:14,730 --> 01:14:18,990
And thanks, Kim, for
coming and speaking to us.

1486
01:14:18,990 --> 01:14:23,150
I have not so much questions
as just a couple of comments

1487
01:14:23,150 --> 01:14:25,710
to make about it.

1488
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:31,270
I think that it is absolutely
unfortunate that this

1489
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:35,270
is happening in turtle
and Shorebird season,

1490
01:14:35,270 --> 01:14:38,810
but large events on ST. Pete
Beach are not unheard of either.

1491
01:14:38,810 --> 01:14:44,130
And so, I think in the
past, in 2017 and 2018,

1492
01:14:44,130 --> 01:14:48,800
when the trade winds did
bike fest I think it was six

1493
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:53,750
to $7,000 people attending per
day with the addition of having

1494
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:56,550
to have lots of motorcycle
trailers parked all over

1495
01:14:56,550 --> 01:15:00,470
the city and having a motorcycle
ride similar to the toy

1496
01:15:00,470 --> 01:15:01,650
run that we have at Christmas.

1497
01:15:01,650 --> 01:15:03,710
That happened all
through the city

1498
01:15:03,710 --> 01:15:08,200
and over the Skyway
and back and concerts

1499
01:15:08,200 --> 01:15:10,300
with big name
folks on the beach.

1500
01:15:10,300 --> 01:15:13,780
And that happened in November.

1501
01:15:13,780 --> 01:15:15,920
So we were outside of some
of the environmental issues

1502
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,060
we're running into here.

1503
01:15:17,060 --> 01:15:20,240
But my recollection
of those events

1504
01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,220
is that for residents
who lived in the city,

1505
01:15:23,220 --> 01:15:27,120
it was very much a non-event,
other than the sound

1506
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,760
of motorcycles going up
and down Gulf Boulevard.

1507
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:38,620
It wasn't a disaster of epic
proportions by any stretch.

1508
01:15:38,620 --> 01:15:42,880
It was mostly unnoticeable.

1509
01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,560
And so I think this
event is potentially

1510
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:48,640
going to be a little
bit bigger than that,

1511
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,780
but certainly not double.

1512
01:15:50,780 --> 01:15:57,280
And, many of the folks
I've talked to are,

1513
01:15:57,280 --> 01:15:59,800
there's always a possibility
with some kind of big event

1514
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:00,980
that something can go wrong.

1515
01:16:00,980 --> 01:16:02,520
But I think most people
that I've spoken to

1516
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,040
are very cautiously
optimistic that this is going

1517
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,070
to be a really neat event.

1518
01:16:07,070 --> 01:16:09,150
It's exciting to have
it happen in the city.

1519
01:16:09,150 --> 01:16:13,890
I'm excited that there's
resident a pretty discounted

1520
01:16:13,890 --> 01:16:15,630
resident rate for tickets.

1521
01:16:15,630 --> 01:16:19,130
So I hope that the people who
live here take advantage of that

1522
01:16:19,130 --> 01:16:24,410
and walk over to the beach and
buy have your discounted ticket

1523
01:16:24,410 --> 01:16:27,570
and go enjoy the concert.

1524
01:16:27,570 --> 01:16:30,850
In addition to the bike fest
that's happened in the past,

1525
01:16:30,850 --> 01:16:34,380
the Bucs bash that happens every
summer, I think has around four

1526
01:16:34,380 --> 01:16:37,010
or 5,000 people that attend.

1527
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:40,410
Also with no drama
that I've ever,

1528
01:16:40,410 --> 01:16:44,770
ever recall hearing of in
any way, shape, or form.

1529
01:16:44,770 --> 01:16:49,250
So I think a lot of the
fears are because it's new

1530
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:52,430
and that's always concerning.

1531
01:16:52,430 --> 01:16:55,090
But it's certainly
not unprecedented.

1532
01:16:55,090 --> 01:16:58,330
One thing I did want to mention
that I think as a commission we

1533
01:16:58,330 --> 01:17:01,650
might want to discuss is that
with the potential of lots

1534
01:17:01,650 --> 01:17:04,490
of traffic coming into the city
and people looking for places

1535
01:17:04,490 --> 01:17:07,490
to park, because I know that
as much as the organizer

1536
01:17:07,490 --> 01:17:09,770
will encourage people
to park elsewhere.

1537
01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:12,290
If I were coming from
somewhere else in ST Pete

1538
01:17:12,290 --> 01:17:14,810
and I lived closer to the beach
than I lived to Raymond James it

1539
01:17:14,810 --> 01:17:16,850
would be, or to
Tropicana Field, you'd

1540
01:17:16,850 --> 01:17:18,250
be hard pressed to
make me drive there

1541
01:17:18,250 --> 01:17:20,610
and ride a shuttle bus out here.

1542
01:17:20,610 --> 01:17:25,570
But what we do have is we
have a lot of privately owned,

1543
01:17:25,570 --> 01:17:28,610
underutilized parking
lots in ST Pete Beach.

1544
01:17:28,610 --> 01:17:32,010
And if we could allow just for
the special event for everybody

1545
01:17:32,010 --> 01:17:36,010
who owns a parking lot to run
a parking lot that they sell

1546
01:17:36,010 --> 01:17:39,930
spaces in, instead of having all
those parking lots sit empty,

1547
01:17:39,930 --> 01:17:42,290
we could probably alleviate
a lot of the cars that drive

1548
01:17:42,290 --> 01:17:45,090
onto the beach and drive around
looking for a place to park

1549
01:17:45,090 --> 01:17:48,210
or try to park in neighborhoods.

1550
01:17:48,210 --> 01:17:50,610
So I think we have
some mechanisms

1551
01:17:50,610 --> 01:17:52,490
at our disposal
to help alleviate

1552
01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:53,810
some of those problems.

1553
01:17:53,810 --> 01:17:55,070
So that's really it.

1554
01:17:55,070 --> 01:17:56,670
Thank you very much,
Mandy, I appreciate it.

1555
01:17:56,670 --> 01:17:57,990
Yeah thank you.

1556
01:17:57,990 --> 01:18:00,410
Commissioner
commissioner Maldonado,

1557
01:18:00,410 --> 01:18:04,020
I'd like to hear from Bruno
Falcon seen a little bit

1558
01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:07,220
about his concerns, if
any, regarding the turtles

1559
01:18:07,220 --> 01:18:09,147
and the turtle watch program.

1560
01:18:09,147 --> 01:18:10,680
What you're going to be
doing to support this.

1561
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:11,453
Thank you man.

1562
01:18:11,453 --> 01:18:13,320
If you'll stay, I have some
questions for you past that,

1563
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:14,240
but let's hear from Bruno.

1564
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,580


1565
01:18:18,580 --> 01:18:20,140
Bruno Falkenstein
I don't know if I

1566
01:18:20,140 --> 01:18:23,560
should use the property that
we have for my home address.

1567
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,580
I'm just going to
use 109th Avenue.

1568
01:18:26,580 --> 01:18:29,000
It's turtles are rather strange.

1569
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,180
I checked today, I wanted to
find out if there's any nesting

1570
01:18:33,180 --> 01:18:34,720
on the West Coast of Florida.

1571
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:36,500
There is not.

1572
01:18:36,500 --> 01:18:38,700
Let me give you
a little history.

1573
01:18:38,700 --> 01:18:42,140
Turtles generally will start
coming in by water temperature.

1574
01:18:42,140 --> 01:18:45,340
It's more water temperature
than anything else.

1575
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:50,820
For instance, in 2010 was one of
the coldest days or the coldest

1576
01:18:50,820 --> 01:18:53,020
water temperature we had.

1577
01:18:53,020 --> 01:18:57,100
It was 62.1 degrees
this time of the year.

1578
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:00,180
We did not get a
nest until July.

1579
01:19:00,180 --> 01:19:06,210
We had no idea why other than
the water temperature today.

1580
01:19:06,210 --> 01:19:09,070
Yesterday the water
temperature was 70.

1581
01:19:09,070 --> 01:19:12,350
Crazy The water
temperature today is 69.

1582
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:13,130
You can't.

1583
01:19:13,130 --> 01:19:14,870
You can't tell.

1584
01:19:14,870 --> 01:19:17,830
The warmest it's been
for the month of May

1585
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:25,830
was in 220, where the
water temperature was 76.6.

1586
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:28,110
April's average is 75.

1587
01:19:28,110 --> 01:19:30,470
The minimum is usually 64.

1588
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:32,170
The maximum is usually 80.

1589
01:19:32,170 --> 01:19:33,630
That's the range.

1590
01:19:33,630 --> 01:19:35,270
May the.

1591
01:19:35,270 --> 01:19:38,590
The average is usually 80.1.

1592
01:19:38,590 --> 01:19:40,350
Usually our nesting
starts somewhere

1593
01:19:40,350 --> 01:19:43,910
around the 20th of May.

1594
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:46,130
The minimum was 73.6.

1595
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:48,950
That was back in
2010, and the maximum

1596
01:19:48,950 --> 01:19:52,310
has been as high as 89.1.

1597
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:54,790
And where the turtles
are going to come up.

1598
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:56,050
Take a handful of sand.

1599
01:19:56,050 --> 01:19:57,910
Throw it up in the air.

1600
01:19:57,910 --> 01:20:01,800
We have no idea.

1601
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,320
I would like to think
that in the past,

1602
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,360
the one thing that I
did forget to thank

1603
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:12,480
is that I'd like to thank the
city and all the commissions

1604
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,280
that I've dealt with,
because I have been allowed

1605
01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:20,840
to use ST Pete Beach
since 1971, excuse me, 79,

1606
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:22,960
to do turtle studies.

1607
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:25,520
And if any of you
ever have the time

1608
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,360
and I know this is
all subject, and would

1609
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,940
you like to come out
and learn a little bit.

1610
01:20:28,940 --> 01:20:31,960
I have to warn you,
it's addictive.

1611
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,520
I don't know what
else I can tell you.

1612
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,260
Please, if you have
any other questions.

1613
01:20:36,260 --> 01:20:39,520
Once a turtle nest
is in the ground,

1614
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,560
the danger is when the turtle
comes up to lay her eggs.

1615
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,400
That's when she can get spooked.

1616
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,040
If she's already laid her
eggs and are on the ground,

1617
01:20:47,040 --> 01:20:50,440
they're very safe until
right before they hatch.

1618
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:51,900
So that's not the problem.

1619
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:55,160
The problem is if
people bother them.

1620
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:57,720
I've been requested
to possibly have

1621
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:02,650
some personnel around
starting right at sunset.

1622
01:21:02,650 --> 01:21:03,910
They said 10:30.

1623
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:06,770
I would rather have people
staying around till about 11:30

1624
01:21:06,770 --> 01:21:09,690
that night, just to make
sure if any nesting turtles

1625
01:21:09,690 --> 01:21:11,330
do come up in that area.

1626
01:21:11,330 --> 01:21:13,730
No one's there to bother them.

1627
01:21:13,730 --> 01:21:16,930
What else can I answer for you.

1628
01:21:16,930 --> 01:21:18,790
You've done an incredible
job right there alone.

1629
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:22,510
I've learned 1,000 more
than I knew two minutes ago.

1630
01:21:22,510 --> 01:21:23,470
So thank you, Bruno.

1631
01:21:23,470 --> 01:21:25,170
Well thank you.

1632
01:21:25,170 --> 01:21:26,170
Yeah good question.

1633
01:21:26,170 --> 01:21:26,730
Sorry please.

1634
01:21:26,730 --> 01:21:27,230
Were you done.

1635
01:21:27,230 --> 01:21:27,730
You say.

1636
01:21:27,730 --> 01:21:30,730
And who do we need to coordinate
with to extend the time.

1637
01:21:30,730 --> 01:21:33,810
Well, today I had a
call from Mark Boyer,

1638
01:21:33,810 --> 01:21:36,250
and that's from the Tradewinds.

1639
01:21:36,250 --> 01:21:41,710
And he was outlining some of
the state's recommendations.

1640
01:21:41,710 --> 01:21:44,590
As a matter of fact, the
state had no recommendations.

1641
01:21:44,590 --> 01:21:46,810
We had a big meeting
two weeks ago,

1642
01:21:46,810 --> 01:21:48,850
and I questioned them on this.

1643
01:21:48,850 --> 01:21:55,570
And they my comment to you
guys is this through the years,

1644
01:21:55,570 --> 01:21:58,770
one event would happen
under certain requirements.

1645
01:21:58,770 --> 01:22:00,290
The next event would
come along and it

1646
01:22:00,290 --> 01:22:01,510
would be completely different.

1647
01:22:01,510 --> 01:22:02,970
Another event would
come along and that

1648
01:22:02,970 --> 01:22:04,650
would be completely different.

1649
01:22:04,650 --> 01:22:06,850
So really, it's
almost whoever up

1650
01:22:06,850 --> 01:22:11,730
in Tallahassee is monitoring
this and they are monitoring it.

1651
01:22:11,730 --> 01:22:12,990
OK thank you.

1652
01:22:12,990 --> 01:22:14,250
Yeah thank you.

1653
01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:16,550
And once again, thank you
very much for everything.

1654
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:17,150
Thank you sir.

1655
01:22:17,150 --> 01:22:19,690


1656
01:22:19,690 --> 01:22:20,190
Thank you.

1657
01:22:20,190 --> 01:22:25,650
I did fail to mention too
that we do have Doctor.

1658
01:22:25,650 --> 01:22:26,510
Sorry sorry sorry.

1659
01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:29,130
We do have Doctor forys here.

1660
01:22:29,130 --> 01:22:33,450
She is from Eckerd college and
she is a seabird and Shorebird

1661
01:22:33,450 --> 01:22:34,310
expert too as well.

1662
01:22:34,310 --> 01:22:36,930
We have additional questions.

1663
01:22:36,930 --> 01:22:38,170
Thank you.

1664
01:22:38,170 --> 01:22:39,690
Does Doctor Shorey have
any comments for us

1665
01:22:39,690 --> 01:22:42,450
or just if we have questions,
you're here to help.

1666
01:22:42,450 --> 01:22:44,470
Sure she could.

1667
01:22:44,470 --> 01:22:47,550
Yeah Same thing.

1668
01:22:47,550 --> 01:22:52,090
Yeah give us your perspective
on the impact here, please.

1669
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:56,060
Hi I've been studying the
seabirds on our beaches

1670
01:22:56,060 --> 01:23:00,220
for the past 34 years, and they
have been at ST. Pete Beach

1671
01:23:00,220 --> 01:23:02,000
since 2013.

1672
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,420
Obviously, a long time ago,
back in the seconds and 40s,

1673
01:23:05,420 --> 01:23:08,780
this was the biggest County,
the biggest colony in the state.

1674
01:23:08,780 --> 01:23:10,840
Now it's the second
biggest colony.

1675
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,460
And so it's 10% of the Black
skimmers nest on ST. Pete Beach.

1676
01:23:15,460 --> 01:23:18,300
And there's some of the
most successful ones.

1677
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:21,980
Last year they started
nesting in late April.

1678
01:23:21,980 --> 01:23:27,300
And if that happens, I have
no idea if they will stay

1679
01:23:27,300 --> 01:23:29,140
or if they will abandon.

1680
01:23:29,140 --> 01:23:32,740
More likely, they'll try to nest
around the time of the festival

1681
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:36,100
and they will probably be
delayed in their nesting.

1682
01:23:36,100 --> 01:23:42,060
So then it pushes them
more into hurricane season.

1683
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:45,540
So I have a hard time imagining
this is such a big event.

1684
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:47,660
I have nothing
analogous to compare it

1685
01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:50,340
to because most
towns like this don't

1686
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:52,640
approve situations like this.

1687
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:57,050
I've seen the hangout out
photos of that big festival,

1688
01:23:57,050 --> 01:24:02,150
but that's the only beach party
this big I can find anywhere.

1689
01:24:02,150 --> 01:24:03,930
And that's a big City Beach.

1690
01:24:03,930 --> 01:24:06,090
It's not a more
natural area like this,

1691
01:24:06,090 --> 01:24:08,050
so there's just nothing
to compare this to.

1692
01:24:08,050 --> 01:24:10,810
But I am a little bit worried
about all the fire trucks.

1693
01:24:10,810 --> 01:24:12,950
What if somebody gets hurt.

1694
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:14,750
One year we had a
skimmer colony and it

1695
01:24:14,750 --> 01:24:16,730
was the year the fireworks
went the wrong way.

1696
01:24:16,730 --> 01:24:19,550
And they hit a
bunch of the hotels

1697
01:24:19,550 --> 01:24:22,090
and the fire trucks
ran through the colony,

1698
01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:24,110
and we lost every single bird.

1699
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:27,510
So I'm kind of nervous about
something like that happening.

1700
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:28,970
OK thank you.

1701
01:24:28,970 --> 01:24:31,910


1702
01:24:31,910 --> 01:24:33,850
Mandy, I have a few
questions for you, please.

1703
01:24:33,850 --> 01:24:37,110


1704
01:24:37,110 --> 01:24:40,650
The total beach area
behind the Tradewinds.

1705
01:24:40,650 --> 01:24:41,930
How many quarter mile.

1706
01:24:41,930 --> 01:24:42,970
Half mile do we know.

1707
01:24:42,970 --> 01:24:45,430
The total distance
of the beach area

1708
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:49,310
of the site Really of
the event site area

1709
01:24:49,310 --> 01:24:53,320
9 acres, 9 acres 9 nine acres.

1710
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:55,720
OK, I'm turning my head to
figure out if that's a quarter

1711
01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,600
mile of our seven or
eight miles worth of beach

1712
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,273
or is it something different.

1713
01:25:00,273 --> 01:25:02,040
I'm trying to figure out
what percentage of our beach

1714
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,747
we have to protect, if
you will, in this event.

1715
01:25:04,747 --> 01:25:06,680
So I'd like to just understand
the percentage of our beach

1716
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:08,840
that could potentially
be impacted.

1717
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,920
And then I know you mentioned
that we were going to identify

1718
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,200
the I'll speak to
the turtle nest

1719
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,040
because I saw at least
an image of the turtles

1720
01:25:18,040 --> 01:25:21,240
with the signs around them, or
at least the tape around them.

1721
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:23,500
I assume if we identify
any they're there.

1722
01:25:23,500 --> 01:25:27,240
The intent would be to obviously
identify and Mark them off.

1723
01:25:27,240 --> 01:25:28,940
And then how do we guard them.

1724
01:25:28,940 --> 01:25:30,420
Let me make sure that
it's not just a mark.

1725
01:25:30,420 --> 01:25:33,000
Will somebody be watching to
make sure that if that occurs,

1726
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,560
that they're watching to make
sure that they're guarded,

1727
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:36,060
they will.

1728
01:25:36,060 --> 01:25:38,760
I believe when I spoke to
the Tradewinds earlier,

1729
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:42,400
they did say that there would
be a turtle monitor out there.

1730
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:45,260
So that will be in the
evening to protect the nests.

1731
01:25:45,260 --> 01:25:47,280
And then I'm sure if
there's a nest out there

1732
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,360
that we'll work closely with
Bruno and the permit holders

1733
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,360
to make sure that the
nests are properly

1734
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:53,780
protected during the event.

1735
01:25:53,780 --> 01:25:54,920
OK thank you.

1736
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,800
And then one more
question for you.

1737
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,580
A little more on
the side of cost,

1738
01:25:58,580 --> 01:26:01,640
because I heard the
question come up earlier,

1739
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:04,080
any costs that the
city incurs to this

1740
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:07,060
is that as a result of
Country Thunder, or is

1741
01:26:07,060 --> 01:26:08,700
it reimbursable
back to the city.

1742
01:26:08,700 --> 01:26:09,560
Every bit of it.

1743
01:26:09,560 --> 01:26:10,100
It will be.

1744
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,280
So what we'll do is
as I mentioned in one

1745
01:26:12,280 --> 01:26:14,640
of the previous slides,
we will go ahead

1746
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,000
and we'll calculate
everything that it costs to go

1747
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:18,340
ahead and put this event on.

1748
01:26:18,340 --> 01:26:21,360
And then we would submit that to
Country Thunder and Tradewinds

1749
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:24,040
to reimburse the city
inclusive of protection costs

1750
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:25,100
as well if needed.

1751
01:26:25,100 --> 01:26:27,080
OK Very good.

1752
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:27,580
Thank you.

1753
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:30,440
I think that answers
my questions.

1754
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:35,200
I've got a follow up question
for MS Kim if you'd come up.

1755
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:36,100
Thanks, Mandy.

1756
01:26:36,100 --> 01:26:39,280


1757
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,560
And again, I apologize if it
seems like we're putting you

1758
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:47,480
on the spot and if in any way
this comes across as accusatory,

1759
01:26:47,480 --> 01:26:47,980
it's not.

1760
01:26:47,980 --> 01:26:49,500
It's just a conversation.

1761
01:26:49,500 --> 01:26:53,010
Sure have you considered
donations to both

1762
01:26:53,010 --> 01:26:56,130
the turtles and the birds.

1763
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:56,730
You have.

1764
01:26:56,730 --> 01:26:59,410
As of right now, $2
from each of our tickets

1765
01:26:59,410 --> 01:27:02,170
is going directly
to turtle trackers.

1766
01:27:02,170 --> 01:27:05,010
We haven't yet
figured out what we

1767
01:27:05,010 --> 01:27:11,930
can do with whichever society,
whether it's the Audubon Society

1768
01:27:11,930 --> 01:27:13,630
or another organization.

1769
01:27:13,630 --> 01:27:15,990
But yes, we have done
that in the past.

1770
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:18,210
We support charitable
organizations

1771
01:27:18,210 --> 01:27:20,590
in all of our communities
that we work with.

1772
01:27:20,590 --> 01:27:23,710
So, yes, and that's
very generous of you.

1773
01:27:23,710 --> 01:27:28,590
Also appreciate the fact that
your capped the decibels at 85.

1774
01:27:28,590 --> 01:27:30,690
I understand that that's
a pretty big deal.

1775
01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:31,790
It is.

1776
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:34,810
And the only reason that
we're able to agree to that

1777
01:27:34,810 --> 01:27:38,930
is because we also have an inner
city festival up in Canada,

1778
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:44,050
and it's an 85 decibel
cap at that show as well.

1779
01:27:44,050 --> 01:27:44,890
Very good.

1780
01:27:44,890 --> 01:27:46,330
Wonderful Thank you.

1781
01:27:46,330 --> 01:27:49,220
One more for you, please,
while you're here.

1782
01:27:49,220 --> 01:27:51,340
The events in time.

1783
01:27:51,340 --> 01:27:53,620
I understand it's
10:00 PM sharp.

1784
01:27:53,620 --> 01:27:55,180
And so I think we have
a city ordinance that

1785
01:27:55,180 --> 01:27:58,180
says music stops at
10:00 PM outdoors,

1786
01:27:58,180 --> 01:27:59,440
roughly translating that.

1787
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,340
So you'll be done within the
city's ordinances of time frames

1788
01:28:02,340 --> 01:28:02,840
as well.

1789
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,400
Thank you.

1790
01:28:04,400 --> 01:28:06,100
Yes OK.

1791
01:28:06,100 --> 01:28:08,220
Anybody else before I go.

1792
01:28:08,220 --> 01:28:09,820
No, but you might hang out.

1793
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:12,260
We normally don't
always take comments

1794
01:28:12,260 --> 01:28:14,260
on these types of
presentations, but I

1795
01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:16,620
understand there is
some audience commentary

1796
01:28:16,620 --> 01:28:17,780
associated with this.

1797
01:28:17,780 --> 01:28:19,780
And as a matter of fact, we
have audience comments coming up

1798
01:28:19,780 --> 01:28:21,080
in just a few moments anyway.

1799
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:26,100
So I'll entertain any questions
associated with Country Thunder.

1800
01:28:26,100 --> 01:28:28,340
Renee, if you have any that
are associated with it.

1801
01:28:28,340 --> 01:28:29,320
Cindy Perry.

1802
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:35,740


1803
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:36,600
Thank you, Mr. Perry.

1804
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,940
Please state your name and
address for the record.

1805
01:28:39,940 --> 01:28:42,760
Cindy Perry 11:26 Boca ciega.

1806
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:44,260
I'll drive.

1807
01:28:44,260 --> 01:28:48,510
I want to make sure that I am
speaking as a private resident

1808
01:28:48,510 --> 01:28:51,950
and a black skimmer
advocate, and nothing

1809
01:28:51,950 --> 01:28:54,830
to do with the planning board.

1810
01:28:54,830 --> 01:28:58,710
I have one word to say
about this presentation

1811
01:28:58,710 --> 01:29:01,950
and that word is unbelievable.

1812
01:29:01,950 --> 01:29:04,030
What's unbelievable.

1813
01:29:04,030 --> 01:29:05,330
It's unbelievable.

1814
01:29:05,330 --> 01:29:09,710
After all the years the trade
winds has been on ST. Pete Beach

1815
01:29:09,710 --> 01:29:13,110
that they don't know
about nesting season.

1816
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:17,190
I guess it's easier to get
an incidental take permit.

1817
01:29:17,190 --> 01:29:20,870
It's unbelievable that
Country Thunder doesn't seem

1818
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:25,390
to have a project manager to
assure that plans are complete

1819
01:29:25,390 --> 01:29:28,270
this close to an event.

1820
01:29:28,270 --> 01:29:32,030
I can tell you, as a retired
project management professional

1821
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:35,190
certified by the Project
Management Institute,

1822
01:29:35,190 --> 01:29:38,730
I would have been fired if
things were this incomplete.

1823
01:29:38,730 --> 01:29:41,510
So close to an implementation.

1824
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:44,590
Fire rescue staffing
planned to be determined.

1825
01:29:44,590 --> 01:29:46,580
Pinellas County
Sheriff's Office.

1826
01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:48,960
Traffic management
plan and progress.

1827
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,020
Transportation
and parking plans.

1828
01:29:51,020 --> 01:29:54,080
Waiting for contract
from the Rays, et cetera.

1829
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:56,060
You've all heard
the presentation,

1830
01:29:56,060 --> 01:29:58,580
so I won't go on about
the current status,

1831
01:29:58,580 --> 01:30:00,360
but apparently they
don't even have a project

1832
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:02,560
manager to present
their project and it

1833
01:30:02,560 --> 01:30:05,120
has to be done by City staff.

1834
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:08,000
I just don't
understand this at all.

1835
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,520
I do have a couple of
recommendations for you.

1836
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:14,020
The black skimmer colony
should be monitored 24/7

1837
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:16,200
hours a day through the event.

1838
01:30:16,200 --> 01:30:18,720
It's not unusual for people
to take early or late

1839
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:20,320
walks along the beach.

1840
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,420
And even if the colony is roped
off, there's nothing to say.

1841
01:30:23,420 --> 01:30:25,560
People won't go in there.

1842
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,120
And for the reimbursement
costs for all city resources

1843
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:32,640
and the project management
that we're providing,

1844
01:30:32,640 --> 01:30:35,480
we should make sure that there
are estimated dollar amounts

1845
01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:38,440
in a contract or the permit,
including the ability

1846
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:42,720
to increase amounts if needed,
when actual costs are tabulated.

1847
01:30:42,720 --> 01:30:46,160
And finally, I
asked the city not

1848
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:49,600
to issue a permit
until all concerns

1849
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:52,640
are satisfactorily addressed.

1850
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,160
It feels like this
is being jammed

1851
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:56,480
through with information
to be provided

1852
01:30:56,480 --> 01:30:58,720
at the last possible minute.

1853
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:01,640
An alternative plan
could be plus the people

1854
01:31:01,640 --> 01:31:05,400
from the Tradewinds to
Tropicana field for this event.

1855
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:09,040
According to the Tropicana
Field upcoming events website,

1856
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,960
those dates are available.

1857
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:12,400
Thank you.

1858
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:15,120
Thank you for your comments.

1859
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:16,200
Other comments.

1860
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:17,340
Dana Richardson.

1861
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:29,720


1862
01:31:29,720 --> 01:31:32,840
Oh, this is going to be fun.

1863
01:31:32,840 --> 01:31:34,720
Welcome, Mr. Tate.

1864
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:35,220
Thank you.

1865
01:31:35,220 --> 01:31:36,020
Name and address please.

1866
01:31:36,020 --> 01:31:36,520
For the record.

1867
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:37,580
Sorry pardon.

1868
01:31:37,580 --> 01:31:38,780
Name and address for the record.

1869
01:31:38,780 --> 01:31:42,000
Dana Richardson, 5830
Bahama way South.

1870
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:42,500
Thank you.

1871
01:31:42,500 --> 01:31:45,430
Dana OK, so I have to apologize.

1872
01:31:45,430 --> 01:31:48,010
I was hoping other people
that are more educated

1873
01:31:48,010 --> 01:31:50,650
are speaking before me.

1874
01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:52,390
I don't have a printer.

1875
01:31:52,390 --> 01:31:54,350
I'm living in a stupid
little apartment.

1876
01:31:54,350 --> 01:31:56,970
It's been a year
and a half, and I'm

1877
01:31:56,970 --> 01:32:01,190
gave up my date night after two
months of working to be here.

1878
01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:04,090
Because it's that important.

1879
01:32:04,090 --> 01:32:06,650
I don't understand how
we get to this place

1880
01:32:06,650 --> 01:32:11,370
and why the city works so hard
to make this event work when it

1881
01:32:11,370 --> 01:32:17,730
clearly goes against
state and federal laws

1882
01:32:17,730 --> 01:32:20,690
for the protection of turtles.

1883
01:32:20,690 --> 01:32:24,330
I see that on November
it was November 5.

1884
01:32:24,330 --> 01:32:28,570
I apologize, I can't see
Mark Boyer from Tradewinds

1885
01:32:28,570 --> 01:32:32,110
on November 5 stated,
and he signed off.

1886
01:32:32,110 --> 01:32:35,250
He would not
advertise this event

1887
01:32:35,250 --> 01:32:38,890
that for the special before
the special event permit

1888
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:42,440
has been approved by City
staff and commission.

1889
01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:45,780
And here we are again,
Tradewinds being the bully.

1890
01:32:45,780 --> 01:32:46,760
And I can trust you.

1891
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:51,040
They will file a lawsuit against
us if this doesn't go through.

1892
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,160
He does not.

1893
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:56,380
Tradewinds does not adhere to
what they say that they'll do.

1894
01:32:56,380 --> 01:32:58,420
They've made that very clear.

1895
01:32:58,420 --> 01:33:04,700
The Florida FWC on
December 23 put out

1896
01:33:04,700 --> 01:33:10,740
that they I got to get to it,
that they want the event in so

1897
01:33:10,740 --> 01:33:14,260
many words to be moved to a
different venue or different

1898
01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:17,900
dates because of our turtles.

1899
01:33:17,900 --> 01:33:21,220
Why are we working so
hard to make this work.

1900
01:33:21,220 --> 01:33:22,640
I live in District 2.

1901
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,740
I live across from Tradewinds.

1902
01:33:24,740 --> 01:33:28,020
We already have issues with
parking in our neighborhood

1903
01:33:28,020 --> 01:33:30,200
during the weekends.

1904
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:32,960
When you say it's
peak between 4 and 7.

1905
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,640
That's not right.

1906
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:35,960
On the weekends we are.

1907
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:37,620
We are overloaded
with day trippers

1908
01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:41,030
and we have people parking
in our neighborhoods.

1909
01:33:41,030 --> 01:33:42,590
And I can't imagine.

1910
01:33:42,590 --> 01:33:44,450
14 days to set up.

1911
01:33:44,450 --> 01:33:46,750
And break down with
Semis and buses.

1912
01:33:46,750 --> 01:33:48,630
How the heck are
the residents when

1913
01:33:48,630 --> 01:33:50,450
they're closing streets down.

1914
01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:52,910
How are we supposed to maneuver.

1915
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:57,790
Our town is only 8,700
residents, roughly

1916
01:33:57,790 --> 01:34:01,350
like when everybody's here.

1917
01:34:01,350 --> 01:34:04,870
This isn't resident friendly.

1918
01:34:04,870 --> 01:34:06,990
And it's like, OK,
well, they've already

1919
01:34:06,990 --> 01:34:10,830
pushed their way in bullies
to get this thing done.

1920
01:34:10,830 --> 01:34:13,050
Well, now they're
setting a precedent.

1921
01:34:13,050 --> 01:34:16,030
And now finding out because I
just got the dump on the PRR

1922
01:34:16,030 --> 01:34:19,670
I submitted on the 12, and
that's when I didn't even

1923
01:34:19,670 --> 01:34:21,670
have time to go over
all the information

1924
01:34:21,670 --> 01:34:24,310
pages and pages and pages
of how hard and so much

1925
01:34:24,310 --> 01:34:27,390
has been done on this.

1926
01:34:27,390 --> 01:34:29,910
It baffles me.

1927
01:34:29,910 --> 01:34:32,350
They're setting a
precedent for other hotels

1928
01:34:32,350 --> 01:34:35,230
because it's a big cash cow.

1929
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:36,470
Thank you.

1930
01:34:36,470 --> 01:34:37,170
Thank you.

1931
01:34:37,170 --> 01:34:39,870


1932
01:34:39,870 --> 01:34:41,930
Deborah Deborah Schockner.

1933
01:34:41,930 --> 01:34:50,150


1934
01:34:50,150 --> 01:34:51,950
Good evening, Deborah Schockner.

1935
01:34:51,950 --> 01:34:52,870
I'll drive.

1936
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:58,310
I would like to also indicate
that gentleman from tradewind

1937
01:34:58,310 --> 01:35:01,150
said there'll be
no advertising, and

1938
01:35:01,150 --> 01:35:07,150
there'll be no sale of tickets
until a permit has been granted.

1939
01:35:07,150 --> 01:35:11,870
So right there, that
contract is violated.

1940
01:35:11,870 --> 01:35:15,830
I talked to two pages.

1941
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:20,430
State officials, local
officials, County officials.

1942
01:35:20,430 --> 01:35:23,390
I have been told that
an environmental impact

1943
01:35:23,390 --> 01:35:25,390
study should be done.

1944
01:35:25,390 --> 01:35:28,670
I have not heard that mentioned.

1945
01:35:28,670 --> 01:35:34,870
We have the shorebirds also
nesting during this time.

1946
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:37,000
Sea turtle.

1947
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,020
State of Florida.

1948
01:35:38,020 --> 01:35:43,120
161.163 is being violated.

1949
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:48,300
12,000 guests is a far cry from
6 from some of the other events.

1950
01:35:48,300 --> 01:35:48,940
And four.

1951
01:35:48,940 --> 01:35:57,600


1952
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,280
We never heard from staff.

1953
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:02,820
I must have brought this up six
or seven commission meetings.

1954
01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:07,760
Not once did the staff say
what position we're in.

1955
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,760
Transparency in this city
has always equaled trust.

1956
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:13,160
Residents should
have been brought

1957
01:36:13,160 --> 01:36:15,240
in from the very beginning.

1958
01:36:15,240 --> 01:36:16,680
This is our city.

1959
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:18,320
And by the way, really quick.

1960
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:19,540
That's Mother's Day weekend.

1961
01:36:19,540 --> 01:36:22,720
It's one of the biggest
weekends in May for the beach.

1962
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:25,780
Hotels are busy, the
restaurants are very busy.

1963
01:36:25,780 --> 01:36:28,240
That's why they have
all the buffets.

1964
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:31,720
The end of May, middle of
May is when graduations occur

1965
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,500
and a lot of people
celebrate on the beach,

1966
01:36:33,500 --> 01:36:40,930
so may is not without tourists.

1967
01:36:40,930 --> 01:36:44,210
This massive concert
should have had

1968
01:36:44,210 --> 01:36:47,850
transparency with the
residents from the beginning.

1969
01:36:47,850 --> 01:36:51,890
Papers were signed in November,
which makes really what they did

1970
01:36:51,890 --> 01:36:55,890
null and void because they
violated a signed paperwork

1971
01:36:55,890 --> 01:36:58,970
that they gave to the city.

1972
01:36:58,970 --> 01:37:00,930
We were misled.

1973
01:37:00,930 --> 01:37:02,850
It's circumventing.

1974
01:37:02,850 --> 01:37:05,490
Months ago, staff
was aware of this

1975
01:37:05,490 --> 01:37:08,870
and now we're presented
as a done deal.

1976
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:12,090
As Mindy said,
thunder is coming.

1977
01:37:12,090 --> 01:37:16,370
We demand as residents to
be treated better if we're

1978
01:37:16,370 --> 01:37:18,330
not brought in on the process.

1979
01:37:18,330 --> 01:37:21,370
If there's not trust and
there's not transparency,

1980
01:37:21,370 --> 01:37:25,090
and there are signed contracts
that have already been violated,

1981
01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:29,850
how can we allow this
to hit our beach.

1982
01:37:29,850 --> 01:37:35,500
There will be a lot of
skimmers that will lose.

1983
01:37:35,500 --> 01:37:40,220
There will be a lot of people
drunk walking along the beach

1984
01:37:40,220 --> 01:37:42,460
all hours of the day and night.

1985
01:37:42,460 --> 01:37:45,420
This is we're not
prepared for it.

1986
01:37:45,420 --> 01:37:49,300
I don't think thunder
presented well.

1987
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:51,180
And residents can
always walk in the water

1988
01:37:51,180 --> 01:37:52,480
so anybody can listen to it.

1989
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:53,300
Thank you.

1990
01:37:53,300 --> 01:37:56,180
But it shouldn't happen.

1991
01:37:56,180 --> 01:37:57,660
Thank you.

1992
01:37:57,660 --> 01:37:58,680
Monty Hogue.

1993
01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:07,460


1994
01:38:07,460 --> 01:38:10,480
Hello Monty Hogue,
80 Gulf Boulevard,

1995
01:38:10,480 --> 01:38:13,780
ST Pete Beach, district one.

1996
01:38:13,780 --> 01:38:16,080
I've lived on the
beach most of my life.

1997
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,560
First came here as a kid in
the 60s, and I've seen a lot.

1998
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:20,480
Seen a lot of events.

1999
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:21,480
I can remember the.

2000
01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:23,300
I missed the beach goes pops.

2001
01:38:23,300 --> 01:38:24,920
We had that down
in pass-a-grille.

2002
01:38:24,920 --> 01:38:27,680
I was actually at the
spin doctors concert.

2003
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:32,100
That was a little crowded for
anybody that remembers that.

2004
01:38:32,100 --> 01:38:35,110
I applaud the mayor and saying,
let's get ourselves back

2005
01:38:35,110 --> 01:38:35,970
after this storm.

2006
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:37,810
I lived through it,
as most of us did,

2007
01:38:37,810 --> 01:38:41,110
and we'd like to get back and
enjoy some things on life.

2008
01:38:41,110 --> 01:38:44,650
On the other side, I am a
supporter of the environment.

2009
01:38:44,650 --> 01:38:48,430
Turtles, birds and
anything else, marine wise.

2010
01:38:48,430 --> 01:38:51,910
But, going through the
storm, having to rebuild,

2011
01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:54,330
still seeing many of my
neighbors that are not back,

2012
01:38:54,330 --> 01:38:57,110
seeing many businesses
that are still not back.

2013
01:38:57,110 --> 01:38:58,670
We need something.

2014
01:38:58,670 --> 01:39:01,390
And I think for three days,
and I spoke with MS Edmonds

2015
01:39:01,390 --> 01:39:03,830
quite a bit when I first
heard this, was announced

2016
01:39:03,830 --> 01:39:05,750
that the city could
pull it off, and she

2017
01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:09,710
has a plan to do much of that,
and I look forward to it.

2018
01:39:09,710 --> 01:39:13,230
And we've had a lot of things
on the beach, as was mentioned

2019
01:39:13,230 --> 01:39:16,030
by several people, and
they've been successful

2020
01:39:16,030 --> 01:39:18,450
and we haven't heard any
complaints about those.

2021
01:39:18,450 --> 01:39:21,350
We've had the
concerts in the park.

2022
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:23,290
I think in those three days.

2023
01:39:23,290 --> 01:39:27,010
I know it is going to be an
issue with turtles and birds,

2024
01:39:27,010 --> 01:39:28,390
and I would be very
concerned and I

2025
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:30,150
hope that things
can be worked out

2026
01:39:30,150 --> 01:39:33,150
and we can have
this event because I

2027
01:39:33,150 --> 01:39:34,170
think it's something we need.

2028
01:39:34,170 --> 01:39:36,530
It'll benefit not
only the businesses,

2029
01:39:36,530 --> 01:39:40,590
but there's a lot of
residents, unlike what

2030
01:39:40,590 --> 01:39:42,630
Commissioner Robinson said.

2031
01:39:42,630 --> 01:39:43,690
I know a lot of people.

2032
01:39:43,690 --> 01:39:45,490
I've been here most of my life.

2033
01:39:45,490 --> 01:39:47,990
I have a lot of
friends and neighbors

2034
01:39:47,990 --> 01:39:49,750
that live on the beach.

2035
01:39:49,750 --> 01:39:52,630
And when that this was first
announced and mentioned,

2036
01:39:52,630 --> 01:39:55,270
most everybody, I mean,
actually everybody

2037
01:39:55,270 --> 01:39:57,310
I've talked to about it
has been in support of it

2038
01:39:57,310 --> 01:39:59,230
and is looking forward to it.

2039
01:39:59,230 --> 01:40:02,050
I saw the newspaper article
that came out last week,

2040
01:40:02,050 --> 01:40:06,990
and I was actually surprised
that there was conflict

2041
01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:10,170
about it, but I do understand
some of those issues,

2042
01:40:10,170 --> 01:40:13,530
and I'm hoping that our
city can solve those issues.

2043
01:40:13,530 --> 01:40:15,650
And we can have a
great event like this.

2044
01:40:15,650 --> 01:40:19,750
Years ago, I attended a similar
event in Fort Lauderdale

2045
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:21,990
that they still have
the tortuga music

2046
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:26,050
festival, which actually
benefits a lot of their charity.

2047
01:40:26,050 --> 01:40:27,830
There is sea turtles.

2048
01:40:27,830 --> 01:40:30,260
That's a pretty big beach.

2049
01:40:30,260 --> 01:40:31,680
It happens in April.

2050
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,280
And maybe if we look
at how they do that

2051
01:40:34,280 --> 01:40:36,540
and bring it back every
year successfully.

2052
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:39,720
And I believe it probably
brings in more people

2053
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:41,120
than this one would.

2054
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,120
So I'm hoping that
we can do something

2055
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:44,860
because the city could use it.

2056
01:40:44,860 --> 01:40:47,160
The residents would
love to have it.

2057
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:48,880
As I mentioned,
most of the people

2058
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,560
I've talked to as far
as friends and neighbors

2059
01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:56,320
are in support of this as I am,
and I look forward to hopefully

2060
01:40:56,320 --> 01:40:57,880
being able to attend it.

2061
01:40:57,880 --> 01:40:58,460
Thank you.

2062
01:40:58,460 --> 01:41:00,920
Thank you sir.

2063
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,400
Carrie matryoshka.

2064
01:41:04,400 --> 01:41:07,040
Thank you.

2065
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:07,940
Lisa Reich.

2066
01:41:07,940 --> 01:41:16,160


2067
01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:23,200
Hello Hi, I'm Lisa Reich,
and I'm a displaced ST

2068
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:24,000
Pete Beach resident.

2069
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:24,500
I'm sorry.

2070
01:41:24,500 --> 01:41:25,567
Would you give your displaced.

2071
01:41:25,567 --> 01:41:26,300
Sorry you're about to.

2072
01:41:26,300 --> 01:41:27,250
I'm sorry.

2073
01:41:27,250 --> 01:41:31,090
Sorry on Pond Street.

2074
01:41:31,090 --> 01:41:31,830
Yes, sorry.

2075
01:41:31,830 --> 01:41:32,550
I apologize.

2076
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:37,930
I'm also an avid
conservationist and I

2077
01:41:37,930 --> 01:41:40,950
have started my own
nonprofit in 2022,

2078
01:41:40,950 --> 01:41:45,530
I believe, called coastal
wildlife advocacy group,

2079
01:41:45,530 --> 01:41:50,570
and I've patrolled the
beaches for over 15 years

2080
01:41:50,570 --> 01:41:52,650
doing sea turtle
patrol, not only

2081
01:41:52,650 --> 01:41:56,890
here, but also Treasure Island.

2082
01:41:56,890 --> 01:42:00,750
And I'm also a Audubon
Florida bird Steward.

2083
01:42:00,750 --> 01:42:04,990
And I also serve on the
board of ST Pete Audubon.

2084
01:42:04,990 --> 01:42:08,690
I am the conservation chair.

2085
01:42:08,690 --> 01:42:14,690
Wow unbelievable is a good word.

2086
01:42:14,690 --> 01:42:18,850
I think the saying is putting
the cart before the horse.

2087
01:42:18,850 --> 01:42:23,070
All this is moving forward, and
there's no official approval.

2088
01:42:23,070 --> 01:42:27,100
And so I was.

2089
01:42:27,100 --> 01:42:32,160
I was sent about 91 documents
in the past 24 hours.

2090
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:34,280
And so I reviewed some
of those documents,

2091
01:42:34,280 --> 01:42:39,020
and I just want to go as quickly
as I can because the common word

2092
01:42:39,020 --> 01:42:40,780
is complete.

2093
01:42:40,780 --> 01:42:43,480
You've got to submit a
complete application.

2094
01:42:43,480 --> 01:42:46,220


2095
01:42:46,220 --> 01:42:52,080
I feel that the applicant did
not do their due diligence,

2096
01:42:52,080 --> 01:42:55,460
and now we're in
a situation where

2097
01:42:55,460 --> 01:42:58,140
we're talking about
it's going to happen

2098
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:00,780
and they're selling tickets.

2099
01:43:00,780 --> 01:43:04,340
They signed the agreement or the
applicant that says they are not

2100
01:43:04,340 --> 01:43:07,140
going to advertise
until this is until they

2101
01:43:07,140 --> 01:43:09,340
have a permit to do so.

2102
01:43:09,340 --> 01:43:12,260
So there's a lot of
stuff that I've read

2103
01:43:12,260 --> 01:43:16,300
and I read through the
application again today

2104
01:43:16,300 --> 01:43:19,220
and it's incomplete.

2105
01:43:19,220 --> 01:43:21,900
So if you all have
the time, if you

2106
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:23,560
haven't looked at
the application,

2107
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,820
I highly recommend that you do.

2108
01:43:26,820 --> 01:43:32,060
There's going to be two stages.

2109
01:43:32,060 --> 01:43:37,460
Country thunder has never
had an event on a beach.

2110
01:43:37,460 --> 01:43:42,460
And certainly not
during nesting season.

2111
01:43:42,460 --> 01:43:47,460
So doing all this and paying
for all the performance and all

2112
01:43:47,460 --> 01:43:52,100
of that is due diligence
that should have been done

2113
01:43:52,100 --> 01:43:54,660
on the part of the applicant.

2114
01:43:54,660 --> 01:43:59,580
There's going to be 13
food trucks, the applicant,

2115
01:43:59,580 --> 01:44:02,580
the application says 21 tents.

2116
01:44:02,580 --> 01:44:09,580
The actual site plan
shows 50/50 tents.

2117
01:44:09,580 --> 01:44:13,160
And from what I understand,
the tents require.

2118
01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:15,860


2119
01:44:15,860 --> 01:44:21,040
A permit, if it's over a 10 by
10, that's a lot of permits.

2120
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:24,530
If there's certain vehicles,
they require a permit.

2121
01:44:24,530 --> 01:44:26,070
It goes on and on.

2122
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:27,070
Thank you.

2123
01:44:27,070 --> 01:44:29,070
You're welcome.

2124
01:44:29,070 --> 01:44:30,130
John kurzman.

2125
01:44:30,130 --> 01:44:34,230


2126
01:44:34,230 --> 01:44:35,710
I was going to attend today.

2127
01:44:35,710 --> 01:44:38,990
John kurzman I'll be on the way.

2128
01:44:38,990 --> 01:44:39,990
Thank you.

2129
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:43,630
I just want to say that when
I first heard about this,

2130
01:44:43,630 --> 01:44:47,390
I believe that so many
residents have been suffering

2131
01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:50,230
and so many businesses
have been suffering.

2132
01:44:50,230 --> 01:44:53,870
And the desire to get
us back on the map

2133
01:44:53,870 --> 01:44:56,670
and have people realize
that we are open again

2134
01:44:56,670 --> 01:45:00,370
and that we are a fun place to
be, I think is very important.

2135
01:45:00,370 --> 01:45:02,930
I'm not a country music
fan, but I don't care.

2136
01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:04,370
It's not for me,
it's for everybody.

2137
01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:07,030
And I think it's
a great concept.

2138
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:10,030
I loved it when I went
to Charlie Daniels here.

2139
01:45:10,030 --> 01:45:11,070
It was great.

2140
01:45:11,070 --> 01:45:15,190
But I'm concerned
about implementation.

2141
01:45:15,190 --> 01:45:18,110
Nobody's even discussed this
with beach stewardship yet.

2142
01:45:18,110 --> 01:45:20,310
First off, I'm only
representing myself.

2143
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:21,870
I am a beach Steward,
but I'm not speaking

2144
01:45:21,870 --> 01:45:23,360
on behalf of beach stewardship.

2145
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:26,320
But nobody's come to
them that I know of.

2146
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,080
I know I've
supported recognizing

2147
01:45:28,080 --> 01:45:33,080
that this is not the time
that any eggs are hatching.

2148
01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:35,320
This is the time when
they're just maybe beginning

2149
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:37,120
to start laying the eggs.

2150
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:38,800
And I've spoken
before about the fact

2151
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,320
that I prefer that
the turtles not

2152
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,760
be tricked and realize that
Tradewinds is one of the busiest

2153
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:44,620
spots on our beach.

2154
01:45:44,620 --> 01:45:47,020
And maybe they have three
days to lay their eggs,

2155
01:45:47,020 --> 01:45:48,960
maybe find another
spot that's better

2156
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:51,960
and we might get the rates up.

2157
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:54,920
I don't have signs to say
that just as a suspicion,

2158
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:58,960
but I also have mentioned
that there's polls at PCI

2159
01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:02,720
and at Jimmy B's with rope
holes right along the water

2160
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:04,840
line or the high water line.

2161
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:08,200
And my concern is now when
I hear about the Thunder,

2162
01:46:08,200 --> 01:46:09,400
they might be
thinking of putting

2163
01:46:09,400 --> 01:46:12,340
those ropes up in those
rope holes in those polls.

2164
01:46:12,340 --> 01:46:16,320
And that was the reason to keep
the people off those properties.

2165
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,760
And now you're
really going to have

2166
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:21,280
a traffic jam of the
non-attendees walking

2167
01:46:21,280 --> 01:46:22,500
along the shoreline.

2168
01:46:22,500 --> 01:46:25,330
Or maybe they're going to
plan on selling tickets

2169
01:46:25,330 --> 01:46:27,450
themselves to eavesdrop.

2170
01:46:27,450 --> 01:46:31,210
I don't but I think we have
to think about those polls.

2171
01:46:31,210 --> 01:46:33,650
I also, in the past
worked on a Super Bowl,

2172
01:46:33,650 --> 01:46:36,770
which had 80,000 attendees
from a security standpoint.

2173
01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:40,230
So I don't want to
be melodramatic,

2174
01:46:40,230 --> 01:46:42,350
but I have concerns
about ingress and egress,

2175
01:46:42,350 --> 01:46:44,610
because some of the things I
had to do with 80,000 people

2176
01:46:44,610 --> 01:46:48,050
or learned about and
I'm also concerned,

2177
01:46:48,050 --> 01:46:50,210
is it going to be a gun free
zone and they're going to be

2178
01:46:50,210 --> 01:46:52,130
searching everybody on
the way in, and then

2179
01:46:52,130 --> 01:46:54,717
they're responsible for the
safety of everybody inside.

2180
01:46:54,717 --> 01:46:55,850
Or is it just going
to be open and

2181
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:58,330
anybody can do what they want.

2182
01:46:58,330 --> 01:47:01,210
And then lastly, I
calculated that they're

2183
01:47:01,210 --> 01:47:05,170
going to make in revenue
about 3.5 to $4.5 million

2184
01:47:05,170 --> 01:47:07,350
in revenue, which is
in jeopardy right now.

2185
01:47:07,350 --> 01:47:10,490
If it's refused.

2186
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:13,850
So maybe the DEP did
us a bit of a favor.

2187
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:16,730
And is giving us
time to negotiate.

2188
01:47:16,730 --> 01:47:18,430
What they will do for the city.

2189
01:47:18,430 --> 01:47:19,190
I mean, just look.

2190
01:47:19,190 --> 01:47:21,960
And when I heard
Mandy's presentation,

2191
01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,220
and I read some of these things
and saw how much effort has

2192
01:47:24,220 --> 01:47:26,860
already been expended by
the city and our staff

2193
01:47:26,860 --> 01:47:28,460
in researching this.

2194
01:47:28,460 --> 01:47:32,120
My question is, what
else will you do for us.

2195
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:33,460
What will you do.

2196
01:47:33,460 --> 01:47:35,120
Because this is
impacting the city.

2197
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:37,580
You have got a lot
of revenue coming in.

2198
01:47:37,580 --> 01:47:39,640
Maybe we could share
that a little bit.

2199
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:40,580
Thank you.

2200
01:47:40,580 --> 01:47:42,180
Thank you sir.

2201
01:47:42,180 --> 01:47:52,280
Layla hello, everybody.

2202
01:47:52,280 --> 01:47:55,740
Leila bounous hermosita
drive, ST Pete Beach.

2203
01:47:55,740 --> 01:47:58,300
I just have to say, when I first
heard that Country Thunder was

2204
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:01,600
coming here as a young
person, I was like, man,

2205
01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:03,920
that's going to do great
things for ST Pete Beach,

2206
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,580
especially after everything
we've been through.

2207
01:48:06,580 --> 01:48:11,140
We have so many businesses
that need stimulation.

2208
01:48:11,140 --> 01:48:15,480
Yeah, most of the time people
are going to be in the festival,

2209
01:48:15,480 --> 01:48:18,940
but as many people have
said, there's going to be

2210
01:48:18,940 --> 01:48:21,060
people around the festival.

2211
01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:23,820
Sure I have friends that said,
oh yeah, let's go to the beach,

2212
01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:27,420
let's go get a boat so
we can be off the beach.

2213
01:48:27,420 --> 01:48:28,680
That's awesome and cool.

2214
01:48:28,680 --> 01:48:31,860
But then what I heard
about the dates,

2215
01:48:31,860 --> 01:48:33,380
I mean, it's pretty
disappointing

2216
01:48:33,380 --> 01:48:39,460
that Tradewinds decided to do
it, when we have nesting season.

2217
01:48:39,460 --> 01:48:42,580
And they should
have known better.

2218
01:48:42,580 --> 01:48:45,980
Granted, if we do it again
and again in a different time

2219
01:48:45,980 --> 01:48:48,820
of year, fantastic.

2220
01:48:48,820 --> 01:48:51,740
We don't have that
many things that bring

2221
01:48:51,740 --> 01:48:53,940
people into ST Pete Beach.

2222
01:48:53,940 --> 01:48:58,180
Country thunder can bring a lot
of people into ST Pete Beach,

2223
01:48:58,180 --> 01:49:01,500
and really, that's
something we need.

2224
01:49:01,500 --> 01:49:02,580
That's going to be all.

2225
01:49:02,580 --> 01:49:03,280
Thanks, y'all.

2226
01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:03,920
Thank you.

2227
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,260


2228
01:49:07,260 --> 01:49:09,780
I have no more audience
comments on this topic.

2229
01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:13,580
OK thank you.

2230
01:49:13,580 --> 01:49:18,390
My understanding is we
have the next presentation

2231
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:21,610
the University of Florida, Levin
College of Law enforcement, law,

2232
01:49:21,610 --> 01:49:23,390
environment and community
development clinic

2233
01:49:23,390 --> 01:49:25,670
on the legal
feasibility of a parking

2234
01:49:25,670 --> 01:49:28,010
based assessment for street
infrastructure funding.

2235
01:49:28,010 --> 01:49:35,390


2236
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:41,490
Awesome good afternoon.

2237
01:49:41,490 --> 01:49:42,330
Mayor commissioners.

2238
01:49:42,330 --> 01:49:45,550
Gil Martinez, community
development senior planner.

2239
01:49:45,550 --> 01:49:47,430
Just quickly wanted to
make a quick introduction

2240
01:49:47,430 --> 01:49:50,910
to the University of
Florida Levine school of law

2241
01:49:50,910 --> 01:49:52,630
and thank them for coming out.

2242
01:49:52,630 --> 01:49:54,510
They're going to be making
a presentation to you

2243
01:49:54,510 --> 01:49:59,070
today regarding the feasibility,
the legal defensibility

2244
01:49:59,070 --> 01:50:03,230
of considering a commercial
parking assessment.

2245
01:50:03,230 --> 01:50:04,770
This is a presentation.

2246
01:50:04,770 --> 01:50:08,510
It is a academic
exercise of sort,

2247
01:50:08,510 --> 01:50:10,670
but it's also important
to note that this

2248
01:50:10,670 --> 01:50:12,830
is part of our
ongoing collaborations

2249
01:50:12,830 --> 01:50:15,190
with the University of Florida.

2250
01:50:15,190 --> 01:50:18,560
They were instrumental in
providing us some key points

2251
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:21,200
to consider as we were
going through the finding

2252
01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:24,600
of necessity that was
recently approved for the CRA.

2253
01:50:24,600 --> 01:50:30,060
So this is how it's all come
about, and they're here for you.

2254
01:50:30,060 --> 01:50:32,760
This topic will be brought
back to you when your revenue

2255
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:35,880
workshop on April 3, so
there'll be opportunities

2256
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:37,080
to further discuss.

2257
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:41,120
So with that, I'll turn it over
to Mr. Hawkins and his team

2258
01:50:41,120 --> 01:50:42,640
from the University of Florida.

2259
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:43,300
Thank you.

2260
01:50:43,300 --> 01:50:47,720


2261
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:48,540
Good evening.

2262
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:50,100
My name is Thomas Hawkins.

2263
01:50:50,100 --> 01:50:53,340
I'll get to some introductory
slides in a second,

2264
01:50:53,340 --> 01:50:56,140
but I have been thinking
a lot this evening.

2265
01:50:56,140 --> 01:50:58,500
I served two terms on the
Gainesville city commission.

2266
01:50:58,500 --> 01:51:00,240
A little bit more
than a decade ago.

2267
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:01,300
And throughout the evening.

2268
01:51:01,300 --> 01:51:04,680
Tonight, I've felt at different
moments, both very fondly

2269
01:51:04,680 --> 01:51:08,240
nostalgic for that and
also a lot of empathy

2270
01:51:08,240 --> 01:51:10,060
for the difficult job
that you all have.

2271
01:51:10,060 --> 01:51:11,780
I won't tell you
which moments which.

2272
01:51:11,780 --> 01:51:14,320


2273
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:18,190
Well, I'd like to begin by
introducing Olivia gantner,

2274
01:51:18,190 --> 01:51:21,570
who's here with me, who's a
third year student in a course

2275
01:51:21,570 --> 01:51:23,370
that I teach at the
University and is

2276
01:51:23,370 --> 01:51:27,170
going to be delivering part
of the presentation with me.

2277
01:51:27,170 --> 01:51:30,310
I'm not sure if I mentioned
Olivia is from Florida,

2278
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:31,470
is from Pensacola.

2279
01:51:31,470 --> 01:51:32,770
And also another
one of my students

2280
01:51:32,770 --> 01:51:36,370
is here, Carissa Allen, who's
a second year student at UF law

2281
01:51:36,370 --> 01:51:39,970
from Jupiter, Florida.

2282
01:51:39,970 --> 01:51:42,130
I am the director of the
environmental and community

2283
01:51:42,130 --> 01:51:44,130
development clinic,
so I'm faculty

2284
01:51:44,130 --> 01:51:46,570
at the University of Florida
Levin College of Law.

2285
01:51:46,570 --> 01:51:49,170
I teach a land use course
and have some other roles

2286
01:51:49,170 --> 01:51:52,490
at the University, but my main
job is teaching this course

2287
01:51:52,490 --> 01:51:54,230
a clinic in legal education.

2288
01:51:54,230 --> 01:51:56,210
A clinic is a course
where students

2289
01:51:56,210 --> 01:52:00,730
gain practical experience
in actual practice of law

2290
01:52:00,730 --> 01:52:03,370
by working under the
supervision of a faculty member

2291
01:52:03,370 --> 01:52:04,270
doing legal work.

2292
01:52:04,270 --> 01:52:07,570
It's typically pro Bono, as it
was in this instance, where we

2293
01:52:07,570 --> 01:52:10,090
find real world client
needs and projects

2294
01:52:10,090 --> 01:52:13,730
that students can work
and gain that experience

2295
01:52:13,730 --> 01:52:17,090
in representation.

2296
01:52:17,090 --> 01:52:21,770
We have approached working
on this issue using

2297
01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:24,990
a problem solving framework
that I like to use,

2298
01:52:24,990 --> 01:52:26,550
called the rational
planning model.

2299
01:52:26,550 --> 01:52:28,810
It's represented
in this diagram.

2300
01:52:28,810 --> 01:52:33,070
It is essentially in litigation.

2301
01:52:33,070 --> 01:52:35,210
So often in the
law we're looking

2302
01:52:35,210 --> 01:52:37,550
at conflict between parties.

2303
01:52:37,550 --> 01:52:39,650
And there's always
a win or lose.

2304
01:52:39,650 --> 01:52:43,470
And working and doing a lot
of local government work.

2305
01:52:43,470 --> 01:52:45,670
And in policymaking
and in legislation,

2306
01:52:45,670 --> 01:52:49,770
I think a much different model
is helpful for conceptualizing

2307
01:52:49,770 --> 01:52:51,030
how to get to solutions.

2308
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:53,430
And it's this framework,
the rational planning model.

2309
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:56,130
And I want to outline
it very quickly.

2310
01:52:56,130 --> 01:52:59,130
We start by identifying
a problem in this case

2311
01:52:59,130 --> 01:53:02,530
that the city of ST Pete Beach,
like many local governments,

2312
01:53:02,530 --> 01:53:06,370
has a greater needs for
providing maintenance and repair

2313
01:53:06,370 --> 01:53:09,370
on its roadway infrastructure
than it has funding available,

2314
01:53:09,370 --> 01:53:11,130
and then moving
through identifying

2315
01:53:11,130 --> 01:53:13,820
what your values
that should influence

2316
01:53:13,820 --> 01:53:15,380
solutions to that problem.

2317
01:53:15,380 --> 01:53:16,780
In this case, we
haven't worked with you

2318
01:53:16,780 --> 01:53:20,060
to identify your values, but
we've based on some assumptions

2319
01:53:20,060 --> 01:53:21,500
with conversations
with your staff

2320
01:53:21,500 --> 01:53:24,260
that they include things
like maintaining your roadway

2321
01:53:24,260 --> 01:53:27,140
infrastructure in good
repair, not overly

2322
01:53:27,140 --> 01:53:29,940
increasing costs on
residents, in particular, not

2323
01:53:29,940 --> 01:53:32,780
increasing taxes on residents.

2324
01:53:32,780 --> 01:53:35,340
Setting goals which in this
case might be that you have

2325
01:53:35,340 --> 01:53:37,500
adequate funding
for street repair

2326
01:53:37,500 --> 01:53:40,380
and then developing
solutions, and you

2327
01:53:40,380 --> 01:53:41,940
can go further through
that to actually

2328
01:53:41,940 --> 01:53:44,160
compare multiple solutions
that you developed.

2329
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:45,440
We haven't gone that far.

2330
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:49,780
We just have one proposed
idea that we've evaluated

2331
01:53:49,780 --> 01:53:51,120
the legal feasibility of that.

2332
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:54,140
We'll present to you tonight.

2333
01:53:54,140 --> 01:53:55,900
I'm going to skip through these.

2334
01:53:55,900 --> 01:53:58,660
We prepared more slides that
would be appropriate for a 15

2335
01:53:58,660 --> 01:53:59,640
minute presentation.

2336
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:01,900
So you'll see us skipping
through quite a few of them

2337
01:54:01,900 --> 01:54:04,740
in order to keep our time
as reasonable as possible.

2338
01:54:04,740 --> 01:54:07,740
So I want to start with a brief
framing of local government

2339
01:54:07,740 --> 01:54:09,500
powers and revenue.

2340
01:54:09,500 --> 01:54:13,370
As in Florida, you have
home rule authority.

2341
01:54:13,370 --> 01:54:15,490
The legislature
can preempt that.

2342
01:54:15,490 --> 01:54:18,910
But the base position under the
Florida Constitution since 1968

2343
01:54:18,910 --> 01:54:21,790
is that local governments
have authority to exercise

2344
01:54:21,790 --> 01:54:23,630
police powers and act.

2345
01:54:23,630 --> 01:54:27,670
And while that is the case for
most local government functions,

2346
01:54:27,670 --> 01:54:31,470
it does not include the
ability to raise revenue.

2347
01:54:31,470 --> 01:54:33,710
So you cannot charge
your residents

2348
01:54:33,710 --> 01:54:37,110
a tax unless the state
explicitly authorizes

2349
01:54:37,110 --> 01:54:38,210
your ability to do that.

2350
01:54:38,210 --> 01:54:40,050
It sets a cap on
your millage rate.

2351
01:54:40,050 --> 01:54:42,190
It specifies what taxes
you can charge other

2352
01:54:42,190 --> 01:54:44,110
than ad valorem
taxes, and you can't

2353
01:54:44,110 --> 01:54:47,230
operate outside of that box.

2354
01:54:47,230 --> 01:54:50,790
But other kinds of
local government charges

2355
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:53,570
are allowed pursuant to
your home rule authority.

2356
01:54:53,570 --> 01:54:57,150
For many of these, we also
have statutory authority.

2357
01:54:57,150 --> 01:54:59,810
But even without
statutory authority,

2358
01:54:59,810 --> 01:55:03,230
you can adopt assessments
and adopt fees.

2359
01:55:03,230 --> 01:55:05,990
And we're going to look
specifically at assessments

2360
01:55:05,990 --> 01:55:07,910
in our proposal this evening.

2361
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:10,180
So what is an assessment.

2362
01:55:10,180 --> 01:55:13,480
An assessment is a
charge that to be

2363
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:16,800
an assessment must have two
very specific characteristics.

2364
01:55:16,800 --> 01:55:19,120
And so if you can't
just call something

2365
01:55:19,120 --> 01:55:23,640
an assessment and charge
somebody it and that be legal.

2366
01:55:23,640 --> 01:55:26,240
A court would look and
evaluate well is that charge

2367
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:27,700
actually an assessment.

2368
01:55:27,700 --> 01:55:31,000
And so if you're looking
at gaining revenue

2369
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:33,320
through an assessment, you
need to design from the ground

2370
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:35,840
up your program to meet
these two criteria.

2371
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:40,280
They are any property you assess
must receive a special benefit

2372
01:55:40,280 --> 01:55:43,040
from a service you provide
funded by that assessment,

2373
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,720
and that the folks
who you charge

2374
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:46,840
an assessment, those
property owners, you

2375
01:55:46,840 --> 01:55:49,300
have to have fairly apportion
the costs across them.

2376
01:55:49,300 --> 01:55:51,280
I'm going to turn the
baton over to Olivia

2377
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:54,040
now to walk through both of
these in case law research

2378
01:55:54,040 --> 01:55:57,280
that she's completed
in collaboration

2379
01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,800
with some other law students,
and give a little bit more

2380
01:55:59,800 --> 01:56:01,280
detail to those ideas.

2381
01:56:01,280 --> 01:56:02,680
Thank you.

2382
01:56:02,680 --> 01:56:06,600
So first we're going to look
at the special benefit prong.

2383
01:56:06,600 --> 01:56:09,370
Sorry first we're going to look
at the special benefit prong

2384
01:56:09,370 --> 01:56:12,810
of the assessment framework.

2385
01:56:12,810 --> 01:56:16,690
And all that's required to
satisfy the special benefit

2386
01:56:16,690 --> 01:56:21,130
prong is a logical relationship
between the services you provide

2387
01:56:21,130 --> 01:56:24,210
and the benefit that
the property receives.

2388
01:56:24,210 --> 01:56:27,050
And it needs to be emphasized as
well that it's the property, not

2389
01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:29,010
the property owner.

2390
01:56:29,010 --> 01:56:31,490
And other properties
may incidentally

2391
01:56:31,490 --> 01:56:35,530
benefit without ever
losing the special benefit

2392
01:56:35,530 --> 01:56:37,770
that property owner has.

2393
01:56:37,770 --> 01:56:40,530
And we'll have some slides that
cover that a little bit more

2394
01:56:40,530 --> 01:56:41,630
in depth in a minute.

2395
01:56:41,630 --> 01:56:46,050


2396
01:56:46,050 --> 01:56:49,250
So here's some examples of what
Florida courts have considered

2397
01:56:49,250 --> 01:56:51,090
to be a special benefit.

2398
01:56:51,090 --> 01:56:55,650
The first is treating storm
water, where the properties that

2399
01:56:55,650 --> 01:56:59,570
cause the need for the treatment
are the ones being assessed,

2400
01:56:59,570 --> 01:57:03,570
and the second one is initiating
beautiful beautification

2401
01:57:03,570 --> 01:57:05,930
projects within a
subdivision, which then

2402
01:57:05,930 --> 01:57:11,010
enhances those properties values
that's deemed a special benefit.

2403
01:57:11,010 --> 01:57:15,330
And then also fire
protection services

2404
01:57:15,330 --> 01:57:17,130
benefits properties
that may catch

2405
01:57:17,130 --> 01:57:18,870
on fire at some point in time.

2406
01:57:18,870 --> 01:57:21,730


2407
01:57:21,730 --> 01:57:23,630
And then here are
some other examples.

2408
01:57:23,630 --> 01:57:31,610


2409
01:57:31,610 --> 01:57:34,170
So now we're going to look
at the fair apportionment

2410
01:57:34,170 --> 01:57:36,770
prong of the assessment test.

2411
01:57:36,770 --> 01:57:40,530
And both Florida statutes
and Florida courts.

2412
01:57:40,530 --> 01:57:42,650
So Florida statutes
prescribes the more

2413
01:57:42,650 --> 01:57:45,850
traditional method of
apportionment which

2414
01:57:45,850 --> 01:57:48,290
is by front put front footage.

2415
01:57:48,290 --> 01:57:50,610
But both the statutes
and the courts

2416
01:57:50,610 --> 01:57:53,790
have allowed it to go beyond
that as long as it's reasonable.

2417
01:57:53,790 --> 01:58:03,290


2418
01:58:03,290 --> 01:58:06,980
And then the main
other important thing

2419
01:58:06,980 --> 01:58:10,500
to hit for the fair
apportionment is that the amount

2420
01:58:10,500 --> 01:58:13,100
of the assessment
must be proportional,

2421
01:58:13,100 --> 01:58:16,240
proportional to the benefit
that the properties received,

2422
01:58:16,240 --> 01:58:19,400
which means that you
can have a benefit,

2423
01:58:19,400 --> 01:58:21,220
outweigh the assessment,
but the assessment

2424
01:58:21,220 --> 01:58:22,900
can never outweigh the benefit.

2425
01:58:22,900 --> 01:58:25,380
So the amount that the
property owner is charged

2426
01:58:25,380 --> 01:58:28,480
must be proportional
to the benefit.

2427
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:33,140


2428
01:58:33,140 --> 01:58:36,140
And then I'm giving it back
to Professor Hawkins now.

2429
01:58:36,140 --> 01:58:36,780
Thank you.

2430
01:58:36,780 --> 01:58:39,340
Thank you.

2431
01:58:39,340 --> 01:58:43,720
So based on the framework
that Olivia laid out,

2432
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,980
we have pretty broad
authority at local government

2433
01:58:46,980 --> 01:58:48,900
level to charge assessments.

2434
01:58:48,900 --> 01:58:50,540
And I want to talk a
little bit about some ways

2435
01:58:50,540 --> 01:58:51,800
that it's curtailed.

2436
01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:55,380
First to how broad
the authority is.

2437
01:58:55,380 --> 01:59:01,860
We have very strong language
from the Florida Supreme Court

2438
01:59:01,860 --> 01:59:05,490
that courts should uphold
legislative judgment,

2439
01:59:05,490 --> 01:59:08,350
meaning your judgment as a
legislative body for the city.

2440
01:59:08,350 --> 01:59:11,430
If you charge an
assessment and you've

2441
01:59:11,430 --> 01:59:14,710
determined that it provides
a special benefit to property

2442
01:59:14,710 --> 01:59:16,350
and is fairly apportioned.

2443
01:59:16,350 --> 01:59:19,990
In other words, the ultimate
decider of that fact

2444
01:59:19,990 --> 01:59:24,310
ought to be the legislative
body rather than the courts.

2445
01:59:24,310 --> 01:59:28,230
That said, however, courts
will require evidence

2446
01:59:28,230 --> 01:59:31,510
to support a determination
that an assessment

2447
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:35,750
provides a special benefit
and is fairly apportioned.

2448
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:38,590
The specific standard for that
evidence that courts require

2449
01:59:38,590 --> 01:59:41,550
is that it be competent,
substantial evidence,

2450
01:59:41,550 --> 01:59:43,090
and that it not be arbitrary.

2451
01:59:43,090 --> 01:59:45,670
And typically, this is done
through consultants reports who

2452
01:59:45,670 --> 01:59:48,870
analyze a problem and determine
connections between how you

2453
01:59:48,870 --> 01:59:50,670
might pay for it and
what benefit it provides

2454
01:59:50,670 --> 01:59:52,510
to different residents.

2455
01:59:52,510 --> 01:59:54,070
And this is, I think,
is going to make sense

2456
01:59:54,070 --> 01:59:56,830
when we talk a little bit
about the specific framework

2457
01:59:56,830 --> 01:59:59,070
that we suggest is a
feasible one to charge

2458
01:59:59,070 --> 02:00:02,320
an assessment for street
maintenance and repair,

2459
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:07,560
that is charging an assessment
on non-residential parking.

2460
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:09,760
A portion, sorry.

2461
02:00:09,760 --> 02:00:11,320
Charging an
assessment for street

2462
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:15,560
repair to the owners of
non-residential parking

2463
02:00:15,560 --> 02:00:18,960
that's apportioned
by the parking space.

2464
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:23,880
So let's just talk really
basically through that idea.

2465
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:28,040
Identifying a.

2466
02:00:28,040 --> 02:00:30,000
Identifying the cost
of providing street

2467
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:31,840
repairs in your community.

2468
02:00:31,840 --> 02:00:34,840
Identifying the benefit that
those street repairs have

2469
02:00:34,840 --> 02:00:38,880
to non-residential properties,
and then apportioning that cost

2470
02:00:38,880 --> 02:00:41,360
to each of those properties by
the number of parking spaces

2471
02:00:41,360 --> 02:00:42,220
that they have.

2472
02:00:42,220 --> 02:00:44,960


2473
02:00:44,960 --> 02:00:48,400
In order for something like
that to pass the standards

2474
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,440
for assessments in
the state of Florida,

2475
02:00:50,440 --> 02:00:53,720
you're going to need evidence to
support a few different points.

2476
02:00:53,720 --> 02:00:57,000
One street maintenance must
have a logical relationship

2477
02:00:57,000 --> 02:00:59,540
with a benefit to Land
Reserve for parking.

2478
02:00:59,540 --> 02:01:02,420
Now there is an
internal logic to that.

2479
02:01:02,420 --> 02:01:05,760
It's somewhat self-evident,
but we can't just rely on what

2480
02:01:05,760 --> 02:01:07,100
we think might be obvious.

2481
02:01:07,100 --> 02:01:10,120
We would actually need
to analyze the problem

2482
02:01:10,120 --> 02:01:12,940
and identify when
we maintain streets.

2483
02:01:12,940 --> 02:01:15,400
Does that improve the usability
of commercial properties

2484
02:01:15,400 --> 02:01:17,120
that have parking on them.

2485
02:01:17,120 --> 02:01:19,900
And that's again, not a
tremendous logical leap,

2486
02:01:19,900 --> 02:01:21,360
but that is the
analysis that someone

2487
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:24,040
would need to go through.

2488
02:01:24,040 --> 02:01:27,800
Second, we would need to
identify the amount numbers

2489
02:01:27,800 --> 02:01:30,680
of non-residential parking
spaces on commercial properties

2490
02:01:30,680 --> 02:01:31,660
throughout the city.

2491
02:01:31,660 --> 02:01:33,560
If you're apportioning
assessment

2492
02:01:33,560 --> 02:01:37,400
by that need a good roster
of where the parking exists

2493
02:01:37,400 --> 02:01:40,920
on which properties and actually
associate that with tax Bills

2494
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:42,960
on which somebody would pay.

2495
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:45,760
And then finally, you
would need evidence

2496
02:01:45,760 --> 02:01:48,840
that shows that the actual
amount of the benefit

2497
02:01:48,840 --> 02:01:50,760
is connected to the amount
of parking that exists

2498
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:54,760
on a non-residential property.

2499
02:01:54,760 --> 02:01:57,800
In addition, an
analysis should show

2500
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:00,010
that you have a need
for street maintenance

2501
02:02:00,010 --> 02:02:02,810
that street maintenance
benefits those non-residential

2502
02:02:02,810 --> 02:02:08,050
properties, and that the amount
of benefit that you provide

2503
02:02:08,050 --> 02:02:10,050
to those individual
properties exceeds

2504
02:02:10,050 --> 02:02:11,690
the cost of any assessment.

2505
02:02:11,690 --> 02:02:14,970
Now, a lot of that type of work,
I know the city has already

2506
02:02:14,970 --> 02:02:17,530
done, one of the things that we
reviewed when we were conducting

2507
02:02:17,530 --> 02:02:19,610
our research was
the Stantec study

2508
02:02:19,610 --> 02:02:20,910
you did within the
last few years,

2509
02:02:20,910 --> 02:02:22,390
and I'm blanking
on the name of it,

2510
02:02:22,390 --> 02:02:27,330
the paving condition index study
that identified exactly the cost

2511
02:02:27,330 --> 02:02:31,890
of your street maintenance
needs and also identified

2512
02:02:31,890 --> 02:02:33,250
that under your
current funding, you

2513
02:02:33,250 --> 02:02:36,050
don't have a way to fund
that problem at the magnitude

2514
02:02:36,050 --> 02:02:37,350
that it currently exists.

2515
02:02:37,350 --> 02:02:40,850


2516
02:02:40,850 --> 02:02:42,390
I think these are duplicative.

2517
02:02:42,390 --> 02:02:43,990
So I'm going to go on
to the next section.

2518
02:02:43,990 --> 02:02:47,030
I want to identify
some cautions.

2519
02:02:47,030 --> 02:02:50,650
I don't want to lay out this
as a possible source of revenue

2520
02:02:50,650 --> 02:02:53,110
with only focusing
on the positive.

2521
02:02:53,110 --> 02:02:55,270
I do think it's very positive.

2522
02:02:55,270 --> 02:02:57,170
I do think it's
feasible, but I want

2523
02:02:57,170 --> 02:03:00,940
to identify what some of
the counter considerations

2524
02:03:00,940 --> 02:03:04,580
would be other than just
that some folks will

2525
02:03:04,580 --> 02:03:07,460
pay an additional cost
if an assessment exists.

2526
02:03:07,460 --> 02:03:12,400
One, if you're proposing
to pay for street repair,

2527
02:03:12,400 --> 02:03:14,320
at least partially
in this manner,

2528
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:17,180
that's not a process for
increasing the amount of parking

2529
02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:18,500
that you have available.

2530
02:03:18,500 --> 02:03:20,540
We started by
identifying the problem

2531
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:24,860
as a street repair problem
and lack of adequate funding

2532
02:03:24,860 --> 02:03:25,940
to cover it.

2533
02:03:25,940 --> 02:03:29,060
If you were also identifying
or maybe even identifying

2534
02:03:29,060 --> 02:03:32,520
as a higher problem, a
lack of available parking,

2535
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:34,140
or insufficient
amount of parking.

2536
02:03:34,140 --> 02:03:36,620
This is not a solution
to that problem.

2537
02:03:36,620 --> 02:03:40,260
It's not going to encourage
that provision of parking.

2538
02:03:40,260 --> 02:03:43,520
It also, and I would say
this is on a positive side,

2539
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,940
it may encourage folks
who own real estate

2540
02:03:45,940 --> 02:03:48,080
that's underutilized parking.

2541
02:03:48,080 --> 02:03:51,040
And I thought your suggestion
earlier, Commissioner Marriott,

2542
02:03:51,040 --> 02:03:53,940
on using some of that
parking for special events

2543
02:03:53,940 --> 02:03:55,720
was an excellent one.

2544
02:03:55,720 --> 02:03:59,110
But it may encourage that
be put to a different use

2545
02:03:59,110 --> 02:04:01,670
if your code that allows for
example, redeveloping portions

2546
02:04:01,670 --> 02:04:04,950
of parking lots for out partial
development or other kinds

2547
02:04:04,950 --> 02:04:08,070
of redevelopment.

2548
02:04:08,070 --> 02:04:11,210
I also want to note
that no methodology.

2549
02:04:11,210 --> 02:04:13,910
Sorry, no court has considered
this methodology before.

2550
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:15,710
It is a novel proposal.

2551
02:04:15,710 --> 02:04:16,630
So there.

2552
02:04:16,630 --> 02:04:19,350
You can't rely on a
pre-existing court case based

2553
02:04:19,350 --> 02:04:22,230
on exactly these kind of facts.

2554
02:04:22,230 --> 02:04:24,550
However, in the
state of Florida,

2555
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:26,870
a local government like
the city of ST Pete

2556
02:04:26,870 --> 02:04:31,870
can initiate something called a
bond validation proceeding that

2557
02:04:31,870 --> 02:04:35,750
would allow it to get a decision
from a court on the legality

2558
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:37,390
of any kind of a
new charge that it's

2559
02:04:37,390 --> 02:04:41,290
borrowing money against before
it actually spends that money.

2560
02:04:41,290 --> 02:04:43,990
So you can limit your
liability to the cost

2561
02:04:43,990 --> 02:04:47,150
of doing the research
and preparing

2562
02:04:47,150 --> 02:04:48,870
to charge an assessment.

2563
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:53,190
You don't have to go to the
extent of spending money

2564
02:04:53,190 --> 02:04:55,940
without knowing whether an
assessment framework is legal.

2565
02:04:55,940 --> 02:04:57,840
And that's very typical
for local governments

2566
02:04:57,840 --> 02:05:01,440
to do to have a bond
validation proceeding.

2567
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:06,640
I also want to note, because
this problem is so pervasive, I

2568
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,900
think an obvious
question is, well,

2569
02:05:08,900 --> 02:05:11,560
why don't we have local
governments in Florida

2570
02:05:11,560 --> 02:05:13,720
either charging
fees for road repair

2571
02:05:13,720 --> 02:05:16,040
or charging assessments
for road repair.

2572
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:19,060
Charging assessments for
road repair is very common,

2573
02:05:19,060 --> 02:05:22,300
but it's typically done in a
very small portion of a city.

2574
02:05:22,300 --> 02:05:24,400
Maybe identifying
just the properties

2575
02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:27,500
that touch on a specific
road, as Olivia described,

2576
02:05:27,500 --> 02:05:29,460
are traditional or classical.

2577
02:05:29,460 --> 02:05:33,040
Method of apportionment is
by the number of front feet

2578
02:05:33,040 --> 02:05:35,400
that a property
fronts on a road.

2579
02:05:35,400 --> 02:05:38,640
Why don't we have jurisdiction
wide assessments for road repair

2580
02:05:38,640 --> 02:05:39,140
already.

2581
02:05:39,140 --> 02:05:40,780
If this problem is so pervasive.

2582
02:05:40,780 --> 02:05:44,400
So I want to talk a little
bit about two cases that

2583
02:05:44,400 --> 02:05:48,200
occurred both in the 1990s.

2584
02:05:48,200 --> 02:05:52,000
One, the city of Port orange
charged a transportation utility

2585
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:57,360
fee and a Florida district
court said the characteristics

2586
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:01,200
of this charge are more
like a tax than a fee,

2587
02:06:01,200 --> 02:06:04,600
and therefore your home rule
powers don't allow you to charge

2588
02:06:04,600 --> 02:06:06,360
this and you can't do this.

2589
02:06:06,360 --> 02:06:08,780
What we're proposing is very,
very different than that.

2590
02:06:08,780 --> 02:06:11,280
So I'm not going to go into
detail talking about that case

2591
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:11,920
at all.

2592
02:06:11,920 --> 02:06:15,400
But I do want to talk a little
bit about another case called

2593
02:06:15,400 --> 02:06:17,080
Hanna versus the
City of Palm Bay

2594
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:21,880
from 1991, where
the city of Palm Bay

2595
02:06:21,880 --> 02:06:25,560
charged a Citywide
assessment for street repair

2596
02:06:25,560 --> 02:06:28,040
on properties Citywide.

2597
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:31,060
And the plan was throughout
the entire jurisdiction.

2598
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:32,680
We're going to charge
this assessment

2599
02:06:32,680 --> 02:06:35,080
and use that revenue
for street repair

2600
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:37,320
so that we have a
closed system, and

2601
02:06:37,320 --> 02:06:39,840
we're not using our
general ad valorem

2602
02:06:39,840 --> 02:06:41,600
revenue for street repair.

2603
02:06:41,600 --> 02:06:46,840
And a Florida court determined
that was not lawful.

2604
02:06:46,840 --> 02:06:49,460
And that's similar enough
to what we're talking about,

2605
02:06:49,460 --> 02:06:52,610
that I want to go through
identifying ways that it's

2606
02:06:52,610 --> 02:06:56,010
different because it
is different in ways

2607
02:06:56,010 --> 02:06:59,730
that I think are
substantial and invalidate

2608
02:06:59,730 --> 02:07:02,010
the holding and the Hanover
versus the City of Palm Bay

2609
02:07:02,010 --> 02:07:03,410
case.

2610
02:07:03,410 --> 02:07:06,770
I'm not going to read this,
but I'll just summarize.

2611
02:07:06,770 --> 02:07:11,810
In that case, the city of Palm
Bay had cited as its authority

2612
02:07:11,810 --> 02:07:13,350
for charging the assessment.

2613
02:07:13,350 --> 02:07:16,730
Florida statutes
and Florida statutes

2614
02:07:16,730 --> 02:07:21,170
put limitations on your
ability to charge assessments.

2615
02:07:21,170 --> 02:07:24,650
After the court came
up with this decision,

2616
02:07:24,650 --> 02:07:27,750
we had the Florida
Supreme Court.

2617
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:29,290
So a higher court
than determined

2618
02:07:29,290 --> 02:07:31,430
the Hanna versus the
City of Palm Bay case.

2619
02:07:31,430 --> 02:07:34,210


2620
02:07:34,210 --> 02:07:37,450
Held in a case called
the City of Boca Raton,

2621
02:07:37,450 --> 02:07:41,850
that local governments
could charge assessments not

2622
02:07:41,850 --> 02:07:43,970
pursuant to their
statutory authority,

2623
02:07:43,970 --> 02:07:45,650
but pursuant to their
home rule authority

2624
02:07:45,650 --> 02:07:48,210
under the 1968
Florida Constitution.

2625
02:07:48,210 --> 02:07:51,160
And the legislation that
implements the Constitution.

2626
02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:53,620
And when that happens,
the restrictions

2627
02:07:53,620 --> 02:07:56,620
on how you charge assessments
that exist in the statute

2628
02:07:56,620 --> 02:07:57,660
don't apply.

2629
02:07:57,660 --> 02:07:59,860
And very explicitly said this.

2630
02:07:59,860 --> 02:08:03,200
And then after that,
later in the 90s,

2631
02:08:03,200 --> 02:08:06,340
another district court
specifically evaluated the Hanna

2632
02:08:06,340 --> 02:08:11,580
case and said the restrictions
in Hanna decision on having

2633
02:08:11,580 --> 02:08:16,900
a jurisdiction wide assessment
don't apply if the authority

2634
02:08:16,900 --> 02:08:19,300
for your assessment is your
home rule authority, which

2635
02:08:19,300 --> 02:08:21,500
is what we would propose here.

2636
02:08:21,500 --> 02:08:23,900
So I want to mention that
case because the facts are

2637
02:08:23,900 --> 02:08:26,820
similar enough that
it's worth discussing,

2638
02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:31,140
but make clear that the
legal analysis in that case

2639
02:08:31,140 --> 02:08:31,960
doesn't apply.

2640
02:08:31,960 --> 02:08:33,980
Now that the Florida
Supreme Court has recognized

2641
02:08:33,980 --> 02:08:36,700
that there's this other
way to this other authority

2642
02:08:36,700 --> 02:08:40,380
for charging assessments.

2643
02:08:40,380 --> 02:08:44,500
That's essentially goes
through the same thing.

2644
02:08:44,500 --> 02:08:46,960
So, so with that, I don't
have a slide for this,

2645
02:08:46,960 --> 02:08:49,930
but probably a good
summary to say is.

2646
02:08:49,930 --> 02:08:54,070


2647
02:08:54,070 --> 02:08:56,630
I think that this is
a reasonable option

2648
02:08:56,630 --> 02:08:58,830
to consider because
it generates revenue

2649
02:08:58,830 --> 02:09:00,310
that the city is
interested in that would

2650
02:09:00,310 --> 02:09:02,150
be dedicated for street repair.

2651
02:09:02,150 --> 02:09:06,270
It's also directly targeted
to folks who benefit from it.

2652
02:09:06,270 --> 02:09:10,430
If the city's interested
in this kind of direction,

2653
02:09:10,430 --> 02:09:14,310
a next step would be putting
together a request for proposals

2654
02:09:14,310 --> 02:09:18,710
to have an expert consulting
firm look at those questions

2655
02:09:18,710 --> 02:09:20,310
that I asked.

2656
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:24,350
Can we take our plans for road
repair that we already have,

2657
02:09:24,350 --> 02:09:27,590
and connect those
improvements specifically

2658
02:09:27,590 --> 02:09:31,950
to benefits to property where
non-residential parking exists,

2659
02:09:31,950 --> 02:09:33,750
and go through the
process of supporting

2660
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:35,910
that apportionment method.

2661
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:38,530
In other words,
continuing to evaluate it,

2662
02:09:38,530 --> 02:09:40,310
but with a specific
look at the facts

2663
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:42,390
that are generated
in your community

2664
02:09:42,390 --> 02:09:47,630
to ensure that you continue to
meet those requirements in law.

2665
02:09:47,630 --> 02:09:49,770
And that's we're happy
to answer any questions.

2666
02:09:49,770 --> 02:09:52,410
And thank you, Commissioner.

2667
02:09:52,410 --> 02:09:53,670
Mayor questions, please.

2668
02:09:53,670 --> 02:09:55,130
Yeah one question.

2669
02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:58,070
And I'm going to probably
stumble over my words

2670
02:09:58,070 --> 02:10:00,910
and get them wrong because
I'm not used to reading

2671
02:10:00,910 --> 02:10:05,790
legal documents, but in
part of the presentation

2672
02:10:05,790 --> 02:10:08,490
and part of the slides that
were kind of skimmed over,

2673
02:10:08,490 --> 02:10:11,190
which I appreciate you
doing that for time's sake.

2674
02:10:11,190 --> 02:10:14,990
But in speaking of
fair apportionment,

2675
02:10:14,990 --> 02:10:19,710
it talks a little bit about
being able to justify why

2676
02:10:19,710 --> 02:10:22,290
the commercial property
owners that are being charged,

2677
02:10:22,290 --> 02:10:27,130
the assessment are benefiting
more than the residential,

2678
02:10:27,130 --> 02:10:30,310
the residents who are not
being charged the assessment

2679
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:32,110
but are still
getting the benefit.

2680
02:10:32,110 --> 02:10:36,430
And I feel like the
examples that were cited

2681
02:10:36,430 --> 02:10:40,390
talked more about really
ancillary benefits

2682
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:42,270
of people who don't
live here at all

2683
02:10:42,270 --> 02:10:43,690
and are just driving
through town.

2684
02:10:43,690 --> 02:10:45,760
And the courts have
said that that's fine

2685
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,800
that those people getting that
benefit, not paying for it

2686
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:49,800
is OK.

2687
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:53,360
But this particular case
seems a little different to me

2688
02:10:53,360 --> 02:10:58,120
where you have you're
charging the assessment

2689
02:10:58,120 --> 02:11:01,040
on commercial spaces, but
you have a very large group

2690
02:11:01,040 --> 02:11:04,180
of people that are also getting
a very direct benefit from that.

2691
02:11:04,180 --> 02:11:06,400
And so I was just curious
if you could touch

2692
02:11:06,400 --> 02:11:09,160
a little bit on
your legal reasoning

2693
02:11:09,160 --> 02:11:10,960
for why you think that's OK.

2694
02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,980
This is an excellent question.

2695
02:11:12,980 --> 02:11:14,800
And the first
thing I will say is

2696
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:18,560
you could structure an
assessment where you charged

2697
02:11:18,560 --> 02:11:21,480
every piece of property that
had a parking space apportioned

2698
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:24,240
by the parking spaces.

2699
02:11:24,240 --> 02:11:30,800
One one value that we considered
in contemplating this the way

2700
02:11:30,800 --> 02:11:33,960
that we did was that there
would likely be an interest

2701
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:38,480
on the city's part
in not charging

2702
02:11:38,480 --> 02:11:42,440
an assessment on
residential property owners

2703
02:11:42,440 --> 02:11:43,460
to get any revenue.

2704
02:11:43,460 --> 02:11:46,090
But there's nothing inherent
to the process that would

2705
02:11:46,090 --> 02:11:47,110
require you to do that way.

2706
02:11:47,110 --> 02:11:48,650
It's reflective of our
perception that would

2707
02:11:48,650 --> 02:11:51,010
be a value that you would have.

2708
02:11:51,010 --> 02:11:54,810
So moving on from that to
the strictly legal question.

2709
02:11:54,810 --> 02:11:58,610
My understanding of the case law
is that the fair apportionment

2710
02:11:58,610 --> 02:12:07,330
requirement that the courts have
is that the amount charged is

2711
02:12:07,330 --> 02:12:09,850
less than the benefit received.

2712
02:12:09,850 --> 02:12:14,570
And the courts will look
at that for each property

2713
02:12:14,570 --> 02:12:16,370
owner that pays the charge.

2714
02:12:16,370 --> 02:12:18,270
They will not look
and say, well,

2715
02:12:18,270 --> 02:12:21,450
what about that other
person over there.

2716
02:12:21,450 --> 02:12:24,430
In fact, there's very
explicit language.

2717
02:12:24,430 --> 02:12:27,190
And you mentioned some of the
cases the folks driving through.

2718
02:12:27,190 --> 02:12:31,310
I think that was the
Winter Springs case.

2719
02:12:31,310 --> 02:12:32,130
Thank you.

2720
02:12:32,130 --> 02:12:33,590
I'm so glad to have Olivia.

2721
02:12:33,590 --> 02:12:34,730
Thank you.

2722
02:12:34,730 --> 02:12:36,950
Because I have more
gray in my beard.

2723
02:12:36,950 --> 02:12:38,310
People think I know
all the information,

2724
02:12:38,310 --> 02:12:41,450
but that's usually not true.

2725
02:12:41,450 --> 02:12:44,160
But there's also, I think,
another great quote.

2726
02:12:44,160 --> 02:12:45,720
I think it was in
the Boca Raton case,

2727
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:47,120
or it could have been
the Sarasota case.

2728
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:50,460
Both were Florida Supreme Court
cases where the court said

2729
02:12:50,460 --> 02:12:54,540
it's fine to explicitly exclude
churches from the assessment

2730
02:12:54,540 --> 02:12:55,660
methodology.

2731
02:12:55,660 --> 02:12:58,420
And we're not
concerned that they

2732
02:12:58,420 --> 02:13:01,140
also benefit from the proposal.

2733
02:13:01,140 --> 02:13:02,620
We're excluding them.

2734
02:13:02,620 --> 02:13:05,880
And the analysis is not whether
they also get a benefit.

2735
02:13:05,880 --> 02:13:08,340
The analysis is, hey,
let's look at the folks

2736
02:13:08,340 --> 02:13:10,160
who are paying the assessment.

2737
02:13:10,160 --> 02:13:13,260
Do they get a benefit that
exceeds the cost they're paying.

2738
02:13:13,260 --> 02:13:13,760
They're paying.

2739
02:13:13,760 --> 02:13:17,900
And so one way to think about
that in if this goes down

2740
02:13:17,900 --> 02:13:19,820
the road and there's actual
fiscal planning that goes

2741
02:13:19,820 --> 02:13:24,700
into it, is to recognize you do
have current sources of funding.

2742
02:13:24,700 --> 02:13:26,680
State share gas tax revenue.

2743
02:13:26,680 --> 02:13:30,700
What you do put in from
your ad valorem revenue

2744
02:13:30,700 --> 02:13:33,860
that you would continue
to use to solve

2745
02:13:33,860 --> 02:13:38,060
your road infrastructure
maintenance backlog.

2746
02:13:38,060 --> 02:13:41,490
And that the so you're not.

2747
02:13:41,490 --> 02:13:44,150
You're not creating an
assessment on property owner

2748
02:13:44,150 --> 02:13:47,770
a to pay for a benefit for
property owner B got it.

2749
02:13:47,770 --> 02:13:49,630
So the math isn't
just the math is

2750
02:13:49,630 --> 02:13:54,170
significantly more complicated
than what are our fiscal needs.

2751
02:13:54,170 --> 02:13:57,350
Let's divide them by the number
of commercial property spots.

2752
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:59,090
The math can't be that simple.

2753
02:13:59,090 --> 02:13:59,610
You're correct.

2754
02:13:59,610 --> 02:14:00,850
OK thank you.

2755
02:14:00,850 --> 02:14:04,190


2756
02:14:04,190 --> 02:14:06,350
I have a question
for you, please.

2757
02:14:06,350 --> 02:14:10,830
So I think one of the
general guidelines

2758
02:14:10,830 --> 02:14:15,030
here is that my commercial
property has to be fronting

2759
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:17,150
right upon the road that's
in question that we're

2760
02:14:17,150 --> 02:14:18,370
going to use our revenue for.

2761
02:14:18,370 --> 02:14:20,230
Is that correct.

2762
02:14:20,230 --> 02:14:21,930
I do not believe
that's the case.

2763
02:14:21,930 --> 02:14:26,590
I think you could have a city
wide road maintenance program

2764
02:14:26,590 --> 02:14:29,830
that is funded in this way.

2765
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:33,890
Again, when you've
studied the problem,

2766
02:14:33,890 --> 02:14:37,270
the benefit exceeds the
amount of the charge,

2767
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:41,050
but there's not there isn't a
test on a geographic proximity.

2768
02:14:41,050 --> 02:14:43,710
OK I think where I'm
heading with this

2769
02:14:43,710 --> 02:14:46,030
is I know that we have
a main thoroughfare

2770
02:14:46,030 --> 02:14:47,170
through ST Pete Beach.

2771
02:14:47,170 --> 02:14:51,830
Gulf Boulevard, blind pass,
out, out 75th to Pasadena.

2772
02:14:51,830 --> 02:14:53,390
These are all state owned
roads, are not roads

2773
02:14:53,390 --> 02:14:54,950
that we maintain right now.

2774
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:57,770
We don't have a cost to
the city on those roads.

2775
02:14:57,770 --> 02:15:00,230
And yet, I know many,
many of our businesses

2776
02:15:00,230 --> 02:15:03,030
are right adjacent
to those roads.

2777
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:05,970
You're telling me that to
maintain roads beyond that one,

2778
02:15:05,970 --> 02:15:08,470
which aren't in our maintenance
structure right now,

2779
02:15:08,470 --> 02:15:12,710
we could still theoretically
charge an assessment

2780
02:15:12,710 --> 02:15:16,310
against those businesses that
don't use that road that we're

2781
02:15:16,310 --> 02:15:18,430
maintaining that's literally a
quarter mile away in the back

2782
02:15:18,430 --> 02:15:19,490
of some neighborhood somewhere.

2783
02:15:19,490 --> 02:15:20,970
Is that what you're
suggesting to me.

2784
02:15:20,970 --> 02:15:23,970
Yes and the way to
think about this,

2785
02:15:23,970 --> 02:15:26,230
and again, you
would need somebody

2786
02:15:26,230 --> 02:15:27,470
with the professional
credentials

2787
02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:28,530
to make this analysis.

2788
02:15:28,530 --> 02:15:29,530
I'm not that person.

2789
02:15:29,530 --> 02:15:31,750
But I've given enough
thought to maybe sketch

2790
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:33,090
some of the outer perimeters.

2791
02:15:33,090 --> 02:15:36,010
Is the folks who go
to those businesses,

2792
02:15:36,010 --> 02:15:38,150
they don't just travel
on Gulf Boulevard.

2793
02:15:38,150 --> 02:15:41,140
And our transportation system,
you've got feeder roads,

2794
02:15:41,140 --> 02:15:42,767
collector roads, arterioles.

2795
02:15:42,767 --> 02:15:44,000
You don't just get
where you're going

2796
02:15:44,000 --> 02:15:46,060
by driving along the arterial.

2797
02:15:46,060 --> 02:15:50,700
That might be the last step
in your transportation trip.

2798
02:15:50,700 --> 02:15:52,240
But of course, all
those other roads

2799
02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:54,200
work together as a network.

2800
02:15:54,200 --> 02:15:57,620
Gulf Boulevard doesn't work if
the other roads don't also work.

2801
02:15:57,620 --> 02:15:58,820
Understood thank you.

2802
02:15:58,820 --> 02:16:02,360


2803
02:16:02,360 --> 02:16:04,040
Thank you very much
for your time today.

2804
02:16:04,040 --> 02:16:04,860
We appreciate it.

2805
02:16:04,860 --> 02:16:06,440
And I'll just close
by saying we really

2806
02:16:06,440 --> 02:16:08,680
appreciate the opportunity
to interact with you.

2807
02:16:08,680 --> 02:16:11,300
Your city manager has just
been absolutely fantastic.

2808
02:16:11,300 --> 02:16:13,880
Gil has been absolutely
fantastic in giving us

2809
02:16:13,880 --> 02:16:16,080
their time so that we had
the information we needed

2810
02:16:16,080 --> 02:16:18,800
to go through this research,
and it's been a great experience

2811
02:16:18,800 --> 02:16:19,840
for the students.

2812
02:16:19,840 --> 02:16:21,960
Professor Hawkins MS
Gunther, thank you so much

2813
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:23,220
for your analysis today.

2814
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:24,040
We appreciate you.

2815
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:24,540
Thank you.

2816
02:16:24,540 --> 02:16:27,560
Thank you.

2817
02:16:27,560 --> 02:16:30,560
OK city clerk, I understand the
next presentation is the Boca

2818
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:31,900
ciega drive reconstruction.

2819
02:16:31,900 --> 02:16:32,900
Design direction.

2820
02:16:32,900 --> 02:16:39,250


2821
02:16:39,250 --> 02:16:40,950
Thought you were going
to give the presentation.

2822
02:16:40,950 --> 02:16:44,809


2823
02:16:44,809 --> 02:16:47,910
Yes good evening.

2824
02:16:47,910 --> 02:16:49,070
Mayor commissioners.

2825
02:16:49,070 --> 02:16:51,770
For the record, Camden Mills,
public services director.

2826
02:16:51,770 --> 02:16:53,250
I appreciate your
time this evening

2827
02:16:53,250 --> 02:16:56,490
to discuss the Boca ciega
drive reconstruction project

2828
02:16:56,490 --> 02:17:00,610
and appreciate your feedback
to guide us on progressing

2829
02:17:00,610 --> 02:17:03,809
the design on this project.

2830
02:17:03,809 --> 02:17:07,010
So the project limits that
we're looking for here is from

2831
02:17:07,010 --> 02:17:10,450
75th Avenue to 87th Avenue.

2832
02:17:10,450 --> 02:17:14,650
Currently, this roadway is
posted speed limit of 25.

2833
02:17:14,650 --> 02:17:17,730
The pavement is in
a poor condition.

2834
02:17:17,730 --> 02:17:20,570
The reclaimed water services
throughout this corridor

2835
02:17:20,570 --> 02:17:22,889
are at the end of
useful life, and

2836
02:17:22,889 --> 02:17:25,490
there is minimal
drainage infrastructure

2837
02:17:25,490 --> 02:17:28,570
throughout these limits.

2838
02:17:28,570 --> 02:17:30,530
This typical section here.

2839
02:17:30,530 --> 02:17:33,450
This just shows you a rough
idea of the area between

2840
02:17:33,450 --> 02:17:36,700
77th Avenue and 80th Avenue.

2841
02:17:36,700 --> 02:17:39,280
I kind of want to lay out what
our existing conditions are,

2842
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:42,740
what was previously designed,
and then an alternative

2843
02:17:42,740 --> 02:17:45,260
that was previously presented.

2844
02:17:45,260 --> 02:17:49,059
So in these existing conditions,
we have a 60 foot right of way,

2845
02:17:49,059 --> 02:17:51,420
about 11 foot travel lanes.

2846
02:17:51,420 --> 02:17:52,320
On the West Side.

2847
02:17:52,320 --> 02:17:53,920
We have a three foot shoulder.

2848
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:55,139
And then on the
East side, we have

2849
02:17:55,139 --> 02:17:57,820
a 2 foot shoulder with curb.

2850
02:17:57,820 --> 02:18:00,280
And then on the West
side of the right of way,

2851
02:18:00,280 --> 02:18:02,340
there is an existing
sidewalk that

2852
02:18:02,340 --> 02:18:05,059
ranges from 4 to feet in width.

2853
02:18:05,059 --> 02:18:09,459
So in total here we have about
26 foot of actual pavement width

2854
02:18:09,459 --> 02:18:14,740
and about 29 feet
from Curb to curb.

2855
02:18:14,740 --> 02:18:18,700
This typical section here shows
you in that same area between

2856
02:18:18,700 --> 02:18:22,820
77th and 80th Avenue,
of what was previously

2857
02:18:22,820 --> 02:18:24,860
designed for this project.

2858
02:18:24,860 --> 02:18:28,620
So this project, the goals were
to achieve lower vehicle speeds

2859
02:18:28,620 --> 02:18:33,700
and then also to increase
pedestrian and bicycle safety.

2860
02:18:33,700 --> 02:18:37,860
With this proposed layout,
the curb to curb width

2861
02:18:37,860 --> 02:18:41,980
decreased from about
29 feet down to 24.

2862
02:18:41,980 --> 02:18:44,059
The scope of this
project included

2863
02:18:44,059 --> 02:18:46,900
the 10 foot wide
travel lanes in lieu

2864
02:18:46,900 --> 02:18:49,660
of the 11 foot existing lanes.

2865
02:18:49,660 --> 02:18:52,860
It included a 10 foot
wide multi-use path

2866
02:18:52,860 --> 02:18:55,780
that would be utilized by
pedestrians and bicycles.

2867
02:18:55,780 --> 02:18:59,620
And then the project also
proposed new curbs and gutters,

2868
02:18:59,620 --> 02:19:03,860
new reclaimed water service,
new stormwater infrastructure,

2869
02:19:03,860 --> 02:19:05,860
as well as landscaping.

2870
02:19:05,860 --> 02:19:07,780
As I mentioned, this
project was previously

2871
02:19:07,780 --> 02:19:09,780
designed and permitted.

2872
02:19:09,780 --> 02:19:13,820
We advertised a request for
bid for construction services

2873
02:19:13,820 --> 02:19:16,139
back in December of 2023.

2874
02:19:16,139 --> 02:19:20,580
That closed in February of
24 and 2 bids were received.

2875
02:19:20,580 --> 02:19:24,900
The low bid that was
received was at $5.4 million.

2876
02:19:24,900 --> 02:19:27,260
And just to give you a rough
summary on the breakdown

2877
02:19:27,260 --> 02:19:30,340
of that, the roadway
components of that 5.4

2878
02:19:30,340 --> 02:19:32,990
was about $2.2 million dollars.

2879
02:19:32,990 --> 02:19:36,950
The sidewalk component
was about 462,000.

2880
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:39,290
And then the drainage
infrastructure,

2881
02:19:39,290 --> 02:19:44,309
including the new curb and
gutters, was about $1.3 million.

2882
02:19:44,309 --> 02:19:47,670
This contract was brought to
the city commission for approval

2883
02:19:47,670 --> 02:19:51,670
in March of 2024,
and at that time,

2884
02:19:51,670 --> 02:19:55,630
the construction contract was
not approved to move forward.

2885
02:19:55,630 --> 02:19:59,070
Some of the feedback received
from looking at those meeting

2886
02:19:59,070 --> 02:20:02,870
minutes was really the main
concern was to repave the road

2887
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:09,430
and prepare those conditions,
fix sidewalks where necessary,

2888
02:20:09,430 --> 02:20:12,470
leave the width of the road
with the width of the road

2889
02:20:12,470 --> 02:20:14,550
alone, and then
put in speed tables

2890
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:19,550
and then ultimately reduce
cost after the feedback

2891
02:20:19,550 --> 02:20:21,610
from that March
meeting was received.

2892
02:20:21,610 --> 02:20:24,550
The engineer consultant
that designed that project

2893
02:20:24,550 --> 02:20:29,110
took that feedback in hand and
proposed a new alternative,

2894
02:20:29,110 --> 02:20:30,490
essentially that alternative.

2895
02:20:30,490 --> 02:20:32,800
The main change there was
decreasing that 10 foot

2896
02:20:32,800 --> 02:20:35,800
wide sidewalk down to 5 foot.

2897
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:38,160
So keeping in line with
the traffic calming

2898
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:40,360
measures to narrow
the pavement width

2899
02:20:40,360 --> 02:20:42,920
and narrow those travel lanes.

2900
02:20:42,920 --> 02:20:45,760
So again, the scope included
the 10 foot wide travel

2901
02:20:45,760 --> 02:20:47,700
lanes as the traffic
calming measure,

2902
02:20:47,700 --> 02:20:49,520
the 5 foot wide sidewalk.

2903
02:20:49,520 --> 02:20:52,300
And it still included the
new curbs and gutters,

2904
02:20:52,300 --> 02:20:55,120
the new reclaimed water
service and the stormwater

2905
02:20:55,120 --> 02:20:58,320
infrastructure and landscaping.

2906
02:20:58,320 --> 02:21:00,280
These following
slides, these just

2907
02:21:00,280 --> 02:21:04,720
show that same type of design
with moving from that 10 foot

2908
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:06,640
wide multi-use
path and narrowing

2909
02:21:06,640 --> 02:21:08,480
it down similar to
existing conditions

2910
02:21:08,480 --> 02:21:11,320
with that 5 foot sidewalk.

2911
02:21:11,320 --> 02:21:14,360
So here is from
75th Avenue to 76.

2912
02:21:14,360 --> 02:21:17,080
You can see the turn
lane there, and also

2913
02:21:17,080 --> 02:21:21,120
an existing sidewalk on the
East side of the right of way.

2914
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:25,840
Then we moved to between
76 Avenue and 77th Avenue.

2915
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:29,120
Again, you see the 5 foot wide
existing sidewalks and then

2916
02:21:29,120 --> 02:21:31,090
in the shared use travel
lanes that would be

2917
02:21:31,090 --> 02:21:34,730
used by bicycles and vehicles.

2918
02:21:34,730 --> 02:21:38,630
Then we moved to 77th
Avenue to 80th again.

2919
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:40,810
What you'll notice here
with that decreased pavement

2920
02:21:40,810 --> 02:21:43,050
width moving from
that 29 foot curb

2921
02:21:43,050 --> 02:21:46,730
to curb down to
around 24 foot, that

2922
02:21:46,730 --> 02:21:48,970
allowed for
additional open space

2923
02:21:48,970 --> 02:21:52,370
for stormwater improvements.

2924
02:21:52,370 --> 02:21:56,450
And then from 80th Avenue to
87th Avenue again here that

2925
02:21:56,450 --> 02:21:58,970
additional reducing
that curb width allowed

2926
02:21:58,970 --> 02:22:00,510
for some additional open space.

2927
02:22:00,510 --> 02:22:04,890
And in this cut section here
you see a swale proposed.

2928
02:22:04,890 --> 02:22:07,490
So tonight staff would
like to seek Commission's

2929
02:22:07,490 --> 02:22:09,150
direction on next steps.

2930
02:22:09,150 --> 02:22:12,530
In your recommendations for
what type of typical section

2931
02:22:12,530 --> 02:22:15,490
we reference so we can
progress with the design.

2932
02:22:15,490 --> 02:22:18,050
We outlined a few
options here to consider.

2933
02:22:18,050 --> 02:22:21,050
Option A is the original design
that was previously designed

2934
02:22:21,050 --> 02:22:24,310
and permitted, with the 10
foot travel lanes and the 10

2935
02:22:24,310 --> 02:22:27,330
foot wide multi-use path.

2936
02:22:27,330 --> 02:22:31,300
Option B That is the previous
alternative that the engineer

2937
02:22:31,300 --> 02:22:34,580
updated, where they reduced
that sidewalk from the 10 feet

2938
02:22:34,580 --> 02:22:37,900
down to the 5 foot, but
still kept the 10 foot

2939
02:22:37,900 --> 02:22:40,580
wide shared use travel lanes
and some of those traffic

2940
02:22:40,580 --> 02:22:42,020
calming measures.

2941
02:22:42,020 --> 02:22:45,460
And then option C, we're open
to consider any additional

2942
02:22:45,460 --> 02:22:48,300
alternatives that you see fit.

2943
02:22:48,300 --> 02:22:50,220
For instance, we could
keep the conditions

2944
02:22:50,220 --> 02:22:56,020
as is and not have stormwater
or traffic calming improvements.

2945
02:22:56,020 --> 02:22:57,400
As far as timeline.

2946
02:22:57,400 --> 02:23:01,060
Our goal would be to update
the design in fiscal year 26,

2947
02:23:01,060 --> 02:23:03,500
so we could move towards
procurement in fiscal year

2948
02:23:03,500 --> 02:23:06,420
27 when full funding
is available.

2949
02:23:06,420 --> 02:23:08,580
And then the construction
time frame for this project

2950
02:23:08,580 --> 02:23:10,380
would be about 18 months.

2951
02:23:10,380 --> 02:23:14,980
That's based on the prior
contract bid that we received.

2952
02:23:14,980 --> 02:23:17,780
I would note that we
do have a $1.5 million

2953
02:23:17,780 --> 02:23:21,380
grant from the Florida
Department of Transportation

2954
02:23:21,380 --> 02:23:25,260
that expires in
September of 2027.

2955
02:23:25,260 --> 02:23:28,500
Some of those components
of that grant requirement

2956
02:23:28,500 --> 02:23:30,540
of what was outlined
in that scope

2957
02:23:30,540 --> 02:23:32,580
was replacing the
curb and gutter.

2958
02:23:32,580 --> 02:23:33,720
Reducing the risk.

2959
02:23:33,720 --> 02:23:35,540
The width of the travel lane.

2960
02:23:35,540 --> 02:23:39,820
Adding a mid-block crossing
near the recreational center.

2961
02:23:39,820 --> 02:23:41,440
Having the shared lane.

2962
02:23:41,440 --> 02:23:42,940
Bicycle markings.

2963
02:23:42,940 --> 02:23:45,820
Having a landscaped buffer
between the sidewalk

2964
02:23:45,820 --> 02:23:47,820
and the travel lane.

2965
02:23:47,820 --> 02:23:52,940
Adding speed tables at 77th
Avenue and 84th Avenue, as well

2966
02:23:52,940 --> 02:23:54,780
as an 8 foot wide sidewalk.

2967
02:23:54,780 --> 02:23:58,120
So if we were going to deviate
from the scope in that grant,

2968
02:23:58,120 --> 02:24:05,220
we would report that back to the
FDOT for their consideration.

2969
02:24:05,220 --> 02:24:08,660
Staff's recommendation
based on the feedback

2970
02:24:08,660 --> 02:24:10,360
that I was able to
review at the meeting,

2971
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:13,860
minutes would be option B.
I think that keeps in line

2972
02:24:13,860 --> 02:24:16,280
with the intent of the
grant that was awarded,

2973
02:24:16,280 --> 02:24:18,100
where we're providing
the stormwater benefits

2974
02:24:18,100 --> 02:24:20,380
and the traffic
calming benefits.

2975
02:24:20,380 --> 02:24:24,660
But it also eliminates that 10
foot wide shared use sidewalk

2976
02:24:24,660 --> 02:24:28,430
and keeps in line with more of
the existing 5 foot sidewalk.

2977
02:24:28,430 --> 02:24:32,570
Keeping that existing sidewalk
width we wouldn't have to.

2978
02:24:32,570 --> 02:24:34,850
Replace the sidewalk all the
way throughout the corridor.

2979
02:24:34,850 --> 02:24:35,570
We'd be able to.

2980
02:24:35,570 --> 02:24:37,270
Kind prioritize
where that sidewalk

2981
02:24:37,270 --> 02:24:39,590
needs to be replaced
in an effort

2982
02:24:39,590 --> 02:24:42,390
to try and cut down costs there.

2983
02:24:42,390 --> 02:24:44,710
But with that, I'm
open to any feedback

2984
02:24:44,710 --> 02:24:46,290
or recommendations you have.

2985
02:24:46,290 --> 02:24:49,510


2986
02:24:49,510 --> 02:24:50,830
Commissioner Robinson.

2987
02:24:50,830 --> 02:24:54,270
Have we thought about I mean, I
was involved in this initially

2988
02:24:54,270 --> 02:24:57,270
because it was Boca
ciega drive, but it

2989
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:58,610
ended up being on that side.

2990
02:24:58,610 --> 02:25:03,430
But I know everybody was
against the 10 foot sidewalk

2991
02:25:03,430 --> 02:25:08,950
simply because it's such a
short driveway that anybody

2992
02:25:08,950 --> 02:25:10,690
on that does have already.

2993
02:25:10,690 --> 02:25:13,670
So it kind of forced the
back end of your car to be

2994
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:15,710
in the middle of a sidewalk.

2995
02:25:15,710 --> 02:25:19,070
With that also said, I think
the main things were exactly

2996
02:25:19,070 --> 02:25:22,910
as you pointed out, which
haven't changed, which

2997
02:25:22,910 --> 02:25:25,960
is paving the road and
getting traffic calming

2998
02:25:25,960 --> 02:25:28,000
and fixing the stormwater.

2999
02:25:28,000 --> 02:25:29,880
The question I have
is I like the idea

3000
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:32,280
of using the existing
sidewalks, but I don't believe

3001
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:33,580
they're 5 foot right now.

3002
02:25:33,580 --> 02:25:34,320
Are they.

3003
02:25:34,320 --> 02:25:34,860
Some are.

3004
02:25:34,860 --> 02:25:35,740
Some are four foot.

3005
02:25:35,740 --> 02:25:41,680
So where this 4 foot we would
expand which is within ADA

3006
02:25:41,680 --> 02:25:43,900
compliance anyway at 48.

3007
02:25:43,900 --> 02:25:47,080
Correct So you're fine there.

3008
02:25:47,080 --> 02:25:50,720
So keeping the existing
sidewalks and doing maintenance.

3009
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:53,240
That's what we haven't
seen done on them.

3010
02:25:53,240 --> 02:25:56,280
I'm a temporary living
in a different community

3011
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:58,940
and they definitely do
maintenance on their sidewalks.

3012
02:25:58,940 --> 02:26:02,100
They've replaced they've
done a lot of work on that.

3013
02:26:02,100 --> 02:26:04,180
So I've been very
impressed on that.

3014
02:26:04,180 --> 02:26:06,880
But the 210 foot lanes.

3015
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:11,480
I like that idea to gain
because that will add

3016
02:26:11,480 --> 02:26:14,960
to the traffic calming
and also will gain

3017
02:26:14,960 --> 02:26:17,140
get a bit of a 2 foot gain.

3018
02:26:17,140 --> 02:26:21,360
Is there a way to stick a
5 foot bike lane in there.

3019
02:26:21,360 --> 02:26:23,530
A bike lane would
be a little bit

3020
02:26:23,530 --> 02:26:25,690
difficult to fit in that width.

3021
02:26:25,690 --> 02:26:28,130
Now, there's this three foot
shoulder that's currently

3022
02:26:28,130 --> 02:26:29,970
being utilized as a bike lane.

3023
02:26:29,970 --> 02:26:32,110
But according to the
design standards,

3024
02:26:32,110 --> 02:26:33,490
it doesn't meet the width.

3025
02:26:33,490 --> 02:26:36,950
A bike lane would need to
be four foot wide minimum,

3026
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:39,430
and if there's a barrier or
curb right up against that,

3027
02:26:39,430 --> 02:26:41,610
then it would need
to be 5 foot wide.

3028
02:26:41,610 --> 02:26:45,290
So in this typical section
with the layout that we have,

3029
02:26:45,290 --> 02:26:48,410
if we would look to have that
minimum four foot wide bike

3030
02:26:48,410 --> 02:26:51,210
lane on each side, then
our travel lanes would be

3031
02:26:51,210 --> 02:26:52,890
reduced to about 9 foot wide.

3032
02:26:52,890 --> 02:26:56,970
I'm talking one bike lane,
not two 1 5 foot bike lane.

3033
02:26:56,970 --> 02:27:00,390
So if you do 210 foot, which
there are currently 11,

3034
02:27:00,390 --> 02:27:03,990
you gain two feet there and
then it's currently three foot.

3035
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:08,090
So then if you add that 2 to the
3' you get a 5 foot bike lane.

3036
02:27:08,090 --> 02:27:09,710
The bike lane,
you could do that.

3037
02:27:09,710 --> 02:27:11,070
Your bike lane would be one way.

3038
02:27:11,070 --> 02:27:12,170
You wouldn't be
you wouldn't have

3039
02:27:12,170 --> 02:27:14,090
a two way bike lane with that.

3040
02:27:14,090 --> 02:27:17,590
But yeah, but that's certainly
the usage is something else.

3041
02:27:17,590 --> 02:27:21,810
I mean, as far as it actually
being I understand it being one

3042
02:27:21,810 --> 02:27:25,890
way or considered one way, but
we also talk about shouldn't

3043
02:27:25,890 --> 02:27:27,270
be riding on sidewalks.

3044
02:27:27,270 --> 02:27:31,130
And then the last director
said that people can ride

3045
02:27:31,130 --> 02:27:33,050
on sidewalks on their bikes.

3046
02:27:33,050 --> 02:27:38,930
And I see people walking or
driving or riding their bikes

3047
02:27:38,930 --> 02:27:41,770
in the opposite direction
or towards oncoming

3048
02:27:41,770 --> 02:27:43,130
traffic all the time.

3049
02:27:43,130 --> 02:27:46,130
I mean, it's something
that's not really policed,

3050
02:27:46,130 --> 02:27:47,690
but it does happen.

3051
02:27:47,690 --> 02:27:50,770
But just a thought to add
that bike lane in there

3052
02:27:50,770 --> 02:27:52,290
and whether the community,
because there was

3053
02:27:52,290 --> 02:27:55,690
a lot of conversation
about having

3054
02:27:55,690 --> 02:28:00,010
a bike lane up and down from
all the way down the connector.

3055
02:28:00,010 --> 02:28:06,770
OK Mr. Causey.

3056
02:28:06,770 --> 02:28:14,130
Camden so current
flooding complaints.

3057
02:28:14,130 --> 02:28:18,370
So this is part of this
is to address the flooding

3058
02:28:18,370 --> 02:28:19,720
improvements for the road.

3059
02:28:19,720 --> 02:28:23,900
Where is there
residential or otherwise.

3060
02:28:23,900 --> 02:28:27,900
Complaints about the
water on the road.

3061
02:28:27,900 --> 02:28:28,480
Yes, sir.

3062
02:28:28,480 --> 02:28:32,080
And in particularly standing
water, after rainfall events,

3063
02:28:32,080 --> 02:28:35,420
the water kind of pools
and accumulates in an area,

3064
02:28:35,420 --> 02:28:38,660
adding that curb and gutter
to direct that flow and then

3065
02:28:38,660 --> 02:28:42,100
ultimately into some retention
areas or underground storage

3066
02:28:42,100 --> 02:28:44,720
would be proposed
in this project.

3067
02:28:44,720 --> 02:28:49,180
So you possibly could solve that
with just repaving and grading

3068
02:28:49,180 --> 02:28:51,980
where it runs off to some.

3069
02:28:51,980 --> 02:28:55,580
I mean, it goes nowhere
now, because there's

3070
02:28:55,580 --> 02:28:57,840
no storm drains there.

3071
02:28:57,840 --> 02:29:00,460
There is some storm
drains, but it's minimal.

3072
02:29:00,460 --> 02:29:02,300
What was proposed in
the previous design

3073
02:29:02,300 --> 02:29:04,500
was to add additional
curb inlets.

3074
02:29:04,500 --> 02:29:08,320
And then with moving that
West Side curb line tighter.

3075
02:29:08,320 --> 02:29:10,020
So to reduce that
pavement, that created

3076
02:29:10,020 --> 02:29:11,840
some additional open space.

3077
02:29:11,840 --> 02:29:14,940
So there's some areas
where the pavement there

3078
02:29:14,940 --> 02:29:17,600
was curb cuts so runoff
would be able to flow.

3079
02:29:17,600 --> 02:29:22,390
And then infiltrate into those
open space grassed areas.

3080
02:29:22,390 --> 02:29:25,110
So if we were to keep
conditions existing the same

3081
02:29:25,110 --> 02:29:27,230
and keep the curb
exactly where it is,

3082
02:29:27,230 --> 02:29:29,550
it does alleviate the
ability to provide

3083
02:29:29,550 --> 02:29:32,250
some of that extra
stormwater runoff benefit.

3084
02:29:32,250 --> 02:29:36,830
So you're looking at running
water off into the side

3085
02:29:36,830 --> 02:29:38,570
with a depression on the side.

3086
02:29:38,570 --> 02:29:42,030
And there's not an outfall
going into the canal.

3087
02:29:42,030 --> 02:29:44,930
Eventually there
it would be swale.

3088
02:29:44,930 --> 02:29:47,070
Swale that would be
interconnected to an inlet

3089
02:29:47,070 --> 02:29:51,070
that would ultimately
discharge to the Bay.

3090
02:29:51,070 --> 02:29:55,230
And the other question is, as
far is that part of that road

3091
02:29:55,230 --> 02:30:00,350
seems to be used for
Heron events for parking.

3092
02:30:00,350 --> 02:30:01,850
For you repeat that please.

3093
02:30:01,850 --> 02:30:05,070
I believe I see a lot of
people parking along there

3094
02:30:05,070 --> 02:30:09,750
for the events that
happen at the park,

3095
02:30:09,750 --> 02:30:13,610
and I was just curious to know
what effect that would have,

3096
02:30:13,610 --> 02:30:19,800
if any, on parking if we
made the roads smaller,

3097
02:30:19,800 --> 02:30:24,260
or we add a bike lane or
any changes we make to it,

3098
02:30:24,260 --> 02:30:26,560
we would try to
maintain the same areas

3099
02:30:26,560 --> 02:30:28,400
that we have parking currently.

3100
02:30:28,400 --> 02:30:29,980
If there be any
impacts to parking,

3101
02:30:29,980 --> 02:30:31,340
we'd certainly present that.

3102
02:30:31,340 --> 02:30:34,320
So I have you guys
thought about the parking

3103
02:30:34,320 --> 02:30:37,640
relative to park
events right now.

3104
02:30:37,640 --> 02:30:41,800
I believe the current design
was to maintain the side street

3105
02:30:41,800 --> 02:30:46,320
parking where there currently
is, where the angled parking is.

3106
02:30:46,320 --> 02:30:48,440
I don't believe it
proposed additional parking

3107
02:30:48,440 --> 02:30:50,920
for special events.

3108
02:30:50,920 --> 02:30:55,680
That's all right.

3109
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:57,340
Are you asking
about the parking.

3110
02:30:57,340 --> 02:30:58,500
Not in the parking space.

3111
02:30:58,500 --> 02:31:00,740
I am, I am, I am asking about.

3112
02:31:00,740 --> 02:31:03,820
So when you narrow the
road, what I'm assuming,

3113
02:31:03,820 --> 02:31:05,920
would that turn into
a no parking zone.

3114
02:31:05,920 --> 02:31:06,460
It could.

3115
02:31:06,460 --> 02:31:08,920
And it would have
a more defined curb

3116
02:31:08,920 --> 02:31:10,260
than what's there currently.

3117
02:31:10,260 --> 02:31:14,890
The curb that is there now
is easily drivable to ramp

3118
02:31:14,890 --> 02:31:16,970
up onto that open space area.

3119
02:31:16,970 --> 02:31:20,290
If you had a more defined curb
and a different curb type,

3120
02:31:20,290 --> 02:31:23,690
you'd probably have people less
willing to drive up over that.

3121
02:31:23,690 --> 02:31:26,090
Well, have you is
there any consideration

3122
02:31:26,090 --> 02:31:30,950
for allowing for parking for
accommodate the park events.

3123
02:31:30,950 --> 02:31:35,530
Because it seems to be a big we
haven't got into that far detail

3124
02:31:35,530 --> 02:31:36,270
at this point.

3125
02:31:36,270 --> 02:31:39,250
We're kind of just high
level typical section

3126
02:31:39,250 --> 02:31:44,150
discussion Mr. Marriott sure.

3127
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:45,890
Thanks, Camden.

3128
02:31:45,890 --> 02:31:48,970
So I have a couple questions
and I think you just answer it

3129
02:31:48,970 --> 02:31:51,210
in one of them, which is
that anywhere where there is

3130
02:31:51,210 --> 02:31:56,930
currently only street
parking for residential uses

3131
02:31:56,930 --> 02:31:59,330
that would be maintained
regardless of what we're

3132
02:31:59,330 --> 02:32:01,050
calling a typical section.

3133
02:32:01,050 --> 02:32:08,330
So there's a condo between
77th and 78th where all

3134
02:32:08,330 --> 02:32:13,810
of their parking is on the sides
of Boca ciega on both the East

3135
02:32:13,810 --> 02:32:16,450
and West sides of the street.

3136
02:32:16,450 --> 02:32:22,210
And then further down
Boca ciega at about.

3137
02:32:22,210 --> 02:32:22,790
Oh, gosh.

3138
02:32:22,790 --> 02:32:28,250
Where is it between 80th
and 81st or 81st and 82nd?

3139
02:32:28,250 --> 02:32:31,690
There are several little
fourplexes and duplexes

3140
02:32:31,690 --> 02:32:34,650
that have absolutely no
parking, except for parking

3141
02:32:34,650 --> 02:32:37,930
on the West side of Boca ciega.

3142
02:32:37,930 --> 02:32:40,130
And so, regardless
of any direction

3143
02:32:40,130 --> 02:32:43,210
we give about a typical section,
would all of that parking

3144
02:32:43,210 --> 02:32:44,390
get maintained.

3145
02:32:44,390 --> 02:32:45,030
That's correct.

3146
02:32:45,030 --> 02:32:48,850
Yep so between in
that 77 to 70 8

3147
02:32:48,850 --> 02:32:50,570
Avenue, that angled
parking would

3148
02:32:50,570 --> 02:32:52,150
be proposed to be maintained.

3149
02:32:52,150 --> 02:32:54,370
And then around
80th, that parallel

3150
02:32:54,370 --> 02:32:56,870
parking on the West Side would
be proposed to be maintained.

3151
02:32:56,870 --> 02:32:57,890
OK perfect.

3152
02:32:57,890 --> 02:33:01,650
And then the other concerns that
I've heard from residents who

3153
02:33:01,650 --> 02:33:05,250
live on that street
with going to a 10 foot

3154
02:33:05,250 --> 02:33:09,230
shared travel lane, is that one.

3155
02:33:09,230 --> 02:33:10,810
Once you have a 10
foot lane with a really

3156
02:33:10,810 --> 02:33:12,700
defined curb and gutter.

3157
02:33:12,700 --> 02:33:17,220
You no longer have anywhere
for a landscaping truck with

3158
02:33:17,220 --> 02:33:19,380
a trailer to get off the road.

3159
02:33:19,380 --> 02:33:22,540
So as soon as you
have somebody have

3160
02:33:22,540 --> 02:33:26,020
a landscape guy pull up with his
trailer and unload his mowers.

3161
02:33:26,020 --> 02:33:29,580
He is in the travel lane,
completely in the travel lane

3162
02:33:29,580 --> 02:33:32,480
because it's 10 foot right
up to the curb and gutter.

3163
02:33:32,480 --> 02:33:34,780
And then when you combine
that with the school

3164
02:33:34,780 --> 02:33:39,260
drop off line in the
morning, all of a sudden you

3165
02:33:39,260 --> 02:33:42,040
have a road that probably
nobody can even know.

3166
02:33:42,040 --> 02:33:44,980
Nobody can get down
either direction.

3167
02:33:44,980 --> 02:33:48,340
And so those are
the biggest concerns

3168
02:33:48,340 --> 02:33:51,040
that I've heard from residents
with the 10 foot travel lanes.

3169
02:33:51,040 --> 02:33:53,180
And that real defined
curb and gutter

3170
02:33:53,180 --> 02:33:55,020
is that we're going
to create a situation

3171
02:33:55,020 --> 02:34:00,020
where we're going to cause more
problems than we're solving.

3172
02:34:00,020 --> 02:34:02,420
And I know that the
residents on Boca ciega

3173
02:34:02,420 --> 02:34:04,640
are definitely concerned
about the speed of travel.

3174
02:34:04,640 --> 02:34:06,380
That is one of their concerns.

3175
02:34:06,380 --> 02:34:10,870
But I don't think anybody wants
to turn the speed of travel

3176
02:34:10,870 --> 02:34:16,190
from too fast to 0 because you
can't get down the road at all.

3177
02:34:16,190 --> 02:34:22,110
And so, I'm not certain
what the answer to that

3178
02:34:22,110 --> 02:34:29,110
is other than we keep the road
and the extra wide like an

3179
02:34:29,110 --> 02:34:32,410
extra wide gutter that we have.

3180
02:34:32,410 --> 02:34:33,270
So that.

3181
02:34:33,270 --> 02:34:37,310
So that's a more traveled road.

3182
02:34:37,310 --> 02:34:40,190
Unless we're going to do
something crazy make it one way

3183
02:34:40,190 --> 02:34:45,270
and force the school drop off
to go the other direction.

3184
02:34:45,270 --> 02:34:49,510
But if we're not going to
force the school drop off to go

3185
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:54,630
the other way or make the street
southbound only North of 77th

3186
02:34:54,630 --> 02:34:59,730
or something like that, I don't
see how we make the lanes 10

3187
02:34:59,730 --> 02:35:02,710
feet wide and still keep it
usable for the way people

3188
02:35:02,710 --> 02:35:04,070
live in the neighborhood.

3189
02:35:04,070 --> 02:35:11,680
Understood so I have
just a few comments.

3190
02:35:11,680 --> 02:35:16,160
I think about as much as I
like the idea of a bike lane,

3191
02:35:16,160 --> 02:35:18,860
if we can't accommodate
two separate bike lanes,

3192
02:35:18,860 --> 02:35:21,227
I fear two bikers
coming at each other.

3193
02:35:21,227 --> 02:35:22,860
One of them comes out into
the road or something.

3194
02:35:22,860 --> 02:35:26,800
And now we've got an issue where
somebody went avoiding a bike

3195
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:28,140
and ended up in
the road somewhere.

3196
02:35:28,140 --> 02:35:29,900
So I like the idea.

3197
02:35:29,900 --> 02:35:30,660
I like the thinking.

3198
02:35:30,660 --> 02:35:34,960
I just worry about that from a
perspective, what I did here.

3199
02:35:34,960 --> 02:35:37,960
I like the storm, stormwater,
storm, fallout, outfalls.

3200
02:35:37,960 --> 02:35:41,160
I'd love to see that increased
and get better drainage off

3201
02:35:41,160 --> 02:35:42,720
of our streets in general.

3202
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:45,640
So I'm generally a
proponent of that.

3203
02:35:45,640 --> 02:35:49,360
What I'm hearing is that there's
significant concerns that

3204
02:35:49,360 --> 02:35:51,520
have been expressed
by the commissioners

3205
02:35:51,520 --> 02:35:55,220
to my right about traffic being
able to get off that road.

3206
02:35:55,220 --> 02:35:57,200
And in the instance that a
maintenance truck or something

3207
02:35:57,200 --> 02:36:00,720
needs to get off the road,
must we have a very hard curb

3208
02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:02,220
cut like that that's
straight up and down,

3209
02:36:02,220 --> 02:36:04,300
or can we still have
outfalls and still

3210
02:36:04,300 --> 02:36:05,600
have all the things
we're talking about

3211
02:36:05,600 --> 02:36:07,140
and not have a
really hard curb cut.

3212
02:36:07,140 --> 02:36:10,040
We could look at different
curb options there.

3213
02:36:10,040 --> 02:36:13,040
OK OK.

3214
02:36:13,040 --> 02:36:17,040
OK I think there currently
a drop curb on one side

3215
02:36:17,040 --> 02:36:18,540
and a regular curb on the other.

3216
02:36:18,540 --> 02:36:19,740
Correct yeah.

3217
02:36:19,740 --> 02:36:23,360
So you're basically
keeping the same.

3218
02:36:23,360 --> 02:36:23,980
Thank you.

3219
02:36:23,980 --> 02:36:26,720


3220
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:30,840
Is there a way to consider
adding additional parking

3221
02:36:30,840 --> 02:36:33,720
along that road on one
side or the other, instead

3222
02:36:33,720 --> 02:36:35,480
of the grass median.

3223
02:36:35,480 --> 02:36:37,120
We can look into that.

3224
02:36:37,120 --> 02:36:38,960
I'd have to look into
the design further

3225
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:40,500
before I can commit
one way or the other,

3226
02:36:40,500 --> 02:36:41,740
but we can explore that.

3227
02:36:41,740 --> 02:36:46,580


3228
02:36:46,580 --> 02:36:47,080
Thank you.

3229
02:36:47,080 --> 02:36:48,400
We appreciate your time today.

3230
02:36:48,400 --> 02:36:48,900
Thank you.

3231
02:36:48,900 --> 02:36:50,600
I just want to
clarify, I'm not sure I

3232
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:53,280
heard you need to give them
some direction on anything.

3233
02:36:53,280 --> 02:36:55,500
OK Yep sorry.

3234
02:36:55,500 --> 02:36:58,000
So just for clarity,
it doesn't sound

3235
02:36:58,000 --> 02:37:00,860
like you like any of the
options that we've presented.

3236
02:37:00,860 --> 02:37:05,040
And you want us to go back
and redesign considerations

3237
02:37:05,040 --> 02:37:06,590
of different curb cuts.

3238
02:37:06,590 --> 02:37:07,750
More parking.

3239
02:37:07,750 --> 02:37:10,290


3240
02:37:10,290 --> 02:37:11,730
I'll say this I
personally like option

3241
02:37:11,730 --> 02:37:13,310
B with different curb cuts.

3242
02:37:13,310 --> 02:37:14,510
I don't like the
straight up down.

3243
02:37:14,510 --> 02:37:18,330
I think what I heard is that
may cause us other problems

3244
02:37:18,330 --> 02:37:19,790
that maybe we
weren't anticipating.

3245
02:37:19,790 --> 02:37:24,050
So I like the idea of option B
with a curb cut where feasible.

3246
02:37:24,050 --> 02:37:29,670
But, yeah, I think option
A is a definite no.

3247
02:37:29,670 --> 02:37:37,610
I don't think anybody's in favor
of option AI think option B is

3248
02:37:37,610 --> 02:37:42,170
reasonable if we
have a way to not

3249
02:37:42,170 --> 02:37:46,490
force somebody who's stopping
on the road to block traffic.

3250
02:37:46,490 --> 02:37:50,850
And if that's some kind of
different curb gutter system

3251
02:37:50,850 --> 02:37:53,370
that allows people to pull
a little bit off the side

3252
02:37:53,370 --> 02:38:01,690
of the road or a little
bit bigger shoulder,

3253
02:38:01,690 --> 02:38:03,350
I don't know what the
right words are, I guess.

3254
02:38:03,350 --> 02:38:06,140
But are you essentially
looking for the use

3255
02:38:06,140 --> 02:38:09,700
as it is right now, where
someone parks not really

3256
02:38:09,700 --> 02:38:13,720
in someone's driveway, but they
pull halfway over the driveway.

3257
02:38:13,720 --> 02:38:14,940
Yeah cut out.

3258
02:38:14,940 --> 02:38:17,800
Yeah and are you camden?

3259
02:38:17,800 --> 02:38:21,260
Are you saying that's feasible
for drainage purposes.

3260
02:38:21,260 --> 02:38:22,560
I think we can look into that.

3261
02:38:22,560 --> 02:38:23,900
Yeah OK.

3262
02:38:23,900 --> 02:38:26,820
I think we can take option B
and modify it based on some

3263
02:38:26,820 --> 02:38:28,740
of these recommendations.

3264
02:38:28,740 --> 02:38:32,280
OK I would point, since
that design was done,

3265
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:35,080
there was a lot of effort and
money put into that design.

3266
02:38:35,080 --> 02:38:37,000
So as much as we can keep
some of those components,

3267
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:39,920
that's going to help the project
timeline and cost overall.

3268
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:42,300
Yeah I agree.

3269
02:38:42,300 --> 02:38:46,300
I like saving the money
on the lesser of not

3270
02:38:46,300 --> 02:38:48,480
doing the 10 foot sidewalks.

3271
02:38:48,480 --> 02:38:50,420
That's going to be huge too.

3272
02:38:50,420 --> 02:38:53,460
And just to confirm, we're not
looking at another bike lane.

3273
02:38:53,460 --> 02:38:54,800
No one way bike.

3274
02:38:54,800 --> 02:38:58,540
So the only design change
Camden's looking at

3275
02:38:58,540 --> 02:39:04,710
is this curb cut out on one side
that can allow pull off the road

3276
02:39:04,710 --> 02:39:10,070
and maybe look into if
it should be parking.

3277
02:39:10,070 --> 02:39:13,230
I think we probably
only need that to 78th.

3278
02:39:13,230 --> 02:39:15,390
We don't need
parking on that road.

3279
02:39:15,390 --> 02:39:17,390
The entire length you're
just talking about close

3280
02:39:17,390 --> 02:39:19,070
to the community center.

3281
02:39:19,070 --> 02:39:22,170
Wherever you think
they use it already.

3282
02:39:22,170 --> 02:39:24,610
And you mentioned
landscapers pulling off.

3283
02:39:24,610 --> 02:39:26,410
Yeah, I guess they're
parking on the grass.

3284
02:39:26,410 --> 02:39:27,770
Partly, yeah.

3285
02:39:27,770 --> 02:39:31,030


3286
02:39:31,030 --> 02:39:34,350
And I think already
in your designs is

3287
02:39:34,350 --> 02:39:36,530
increased stormwater outfalls.

3288
02:39:36,530 --> 02:39:37,690
That's already kind of baked in.

3289
02:39:37,690 --> 02:39:38,670
Yes it's about curb cuts.

3290
02:39:38,670 --> 02:39:39,170
So yes.

3291
02:39:39,170 --> 02:39:39,670
All right.

3292
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:41,590
Yeah thank you.

3293
02:39:41,590 --> 02:39:42,210
Thank you.

3294
02:39:42,210 --> 02:39:48,030


3295
02:39:48,030 --> 02:39:50,070
Just a reminder to please
speak into the microphones

3296
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:51,110
when you're speaking.

3297
02:39:51,110 --> 02:39:52,090
Sorry, Renee.

3298
02:39:52,090 --> 02:39:54,590


3299
02:39:54,590 --> 02:39:55,090
All right.

3300
02:39:55,090 --> 02:39:57,710
Next, I think we have a
presentation on the permit

3301
02:39:57,710 --> 02:39:59,550
process update from Laura.

3302
02:39:59,550 --> 02:40:00,830
We appreciate your
patience, Laura.

3303
02:40:00,830 --> 02:40:01,330
Thank you.

3304
02:40:01,330 --> 02:40:09,360


3305
02:40:09,360 --> 02:40:11,820
Good evening, Mayor
and commissioners.

3306
02:40:11,820 --> 02:40:14,240
Laura canary, community
development director.

3307
02:40:14,240 --> 02:40:16,400
This evening I'm going to
be giving the update along

3308
02:40:16,400 --> 02:40:18,100
with the innovation
or excuse me,

3309
02:40:18,100 --> 02:40:19,880
technology strategy
and innovation

3310
02:40:19,880 --> 02:40:21,920
director, Candice Galloway.

3311
02:40:21,920 --> 02:40:24,000
She's really been helping
and instrumental in all

3312
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:25,580
of these process improvements.

3313
02:40:25,580 --> 02:40:28,260
So I'm going to begin by
just going over again.

3314
02:40:28,260 --> 02:40:29,220
Just a refresher.

3315
02:40:29,220 --> 02:40:31,540
This is technically
the 90 day update.

3316
02:40:31,540 --> 02:40:34,760
So since these series of
recommendations and process

3317
02:40:34,760 --> 02:40:37,220
improvement recommendations
came forward,

3318
02:40:37,220 --> 02:40:38,920
we said that we'd
come back in 90 days

3319
02:40:38,920 --> 02:40:40,360
and give you all an update.

3320
02:40:40,360 --> 02:40:43,360
We did come back and give you
a mini update a couple meetings

3321
02:40:43,360 --> 02:40:46,320
ago, but this is that official
90 day progress update

3322
02:40:46,320 --> 02:40:48,440
to show you what we've
achieved and what

3323
02:40:48,440 --> 02:40:50,480
we still have ahead of us.

3324
02:40:50,480 --> 02:40:51,640
Thank you.

3325
02:40:51,640 --> 02:40:54,220
So beginning with the
volunteer exit interviews,

3326
02:40:54,220 --> 02:40:56,480
these were interviews that we
conducted with the community

3327
02:40:56,480 --> 02:41:00,400
development volunteers who
participated in helping with all

3328
02:41:00,400 --> 02:41:03,720
of our permit processing and
all of the substantial damage

3329
02:41:03,720 --> 02:41:06,520
determinations and all of that
here in the lobby at City Hall

3330
02:41:06,520 --> 02:41:08,560
in the aftermath of the storms.

3331
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:12,540
And those interviews were,
first of all, very eye opening,

3332
02:41:12,540 --> 02:41:15,040
because number
one, they were very

3333
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:17,840
aligned with what we had heard
with our internal stakeholders

3334
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:18,420
as well.

3335
02:41:18,420 --> 02:41:21,160
And so what we've done is
what you see on the screen

3336
02:41:21,160 --> 02:41:24,500
is I'll call them the key
opportunities for improvement.

3337
02:41:24,500 --> 02:41:28,160
But this is really as we
synthesize all of the input

3338
02:41:28,160 --> 02:41:31,120
that we received and looked
for those common denominators.

3339
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:32,580
These are our key takeaways.

3340
02:41:32,580 --> 02:41:35,800
So again just creating those
simple permitting roadmaps,

3341
02:41:35,800 --> 02:41:39,280
providing timeline
transparency, introducing

3342
02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:42,540
automated notifications
for permit status changes.

3343
02:41:42,540 --> 02:41:45,360
So where the applicant would
actually receive a notification

3344
02:41:45,360 --> 02:41:47,560
when something
changes in the portal,

3345
02:41:47,560 --> 02:41:50,200
standardized communication
templates across staff

3346
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:53,440
and volunteers, and then
expand volunteer training

3347
02:41:53,440 --> 02:41:55,140
and reference materials.

3348
02:41:55,140 --> 02:41:57,720
We did hear over and over
again, frankly, that people were

3349
02:41:57,720 --> 02:41:59,150
kind of just thrown into it.

3350
02:41:59,150 --> 02:42:01,290
There was one day
of training, which

3351
02:42:01,290 --> 02:42:03,110
they had and were
very grateful for,

3352
02:42:03,110 --> 02:42:05,310
but so many lessons learned.

3353
02:42:05,310 --> 02:42:07,770
And one of the other key
takeaways is that moving

3354
02:42:07,770 --> 02:42:11,190
forward, as we begin to
do our internal training,

3355
02:42:11,190 --> 02:42:13,530
as far as with 4Runner
and substantial damage

3356
02:42:13,530 --> 02:42:15,750
determinations, and
at certain points,

3357
02:42:15,750 --> 02:42:18,450
it's going to make sense
to engage those volunteers

3358
02:42:18,450 --> 02:42:19,950
continuously
throughout the year,

3359
02:42:19,950 --> 02:42:22,270
not to wait until an event
happens so that again,

3360
02:42:22,270 --> 02:42:26,330
we can all be more
prepared together for.

3361
02:42:26,330 --> 02:42:29,310
Next, establishing
standards of communication.

3362
02:42:29,310 --> 02:42:31,090
This was what we
ultimately rolled

3363
02:42:31,090 --> 02:42:34,310
into what we're referring to as
our customer service standards.

3364
02:42:34,310 --> 02:42:35,970
And so our customer
service standards

3365
02:42:35,970 --> 02:42:38,870
are something that all of
our employees adhere to.

3366
02:42:38,870 --> 02:42:42,290
And it's also given us
that SOP moving forward

3367
02:42:42,290 --> 02:42:45,650
and shows, what our expectations
are from our permit techs

3368
02:42:45,650 --> 02:42:48,890
and all of our staff and
the kind of public service

3369
02:42:48,890 --> 02:42:50,270
that we want to deliver.

3370
02:42:50,270 --> 02:42:52,970


3371
02:42:52,970 --> 02:42:56,790
For servicing, same day permits
again, same day permits.

3372
02:42:56,790 --> 02:43:00,300
I just want to emphasize that
we also will refer to them as

3373
02:43:00,300 --> 02:43:02,340
express permits, because
sometimes they're actually

3374
02:43:02,340 --> 02:43:03,620
they come in maybe
late in the day

3375
02:43:03,620 --> 02:43:05,380
and they're issued the next day.

3376
02:43:05,380 --> 02:43:08,580
Those types of permits that are
currently being issued as what

3377
02:43:08,580 --> 02:43:11,460
we would refer to
as an express permit

3378
02:43:11,460 --> 02:43:13,720
include water heaters,
panel upgrades,

3379
02:43:13,720 --> 02:43:17,060
electric meters and specific
mechanical change outs.

3380
02:43:17,060 --> 02:43:19,620
So when we think of
what can and can't be

3381
02:43:19,620 --> 02:43:22,560
it really comes down to the
complexity of a project.

3382
02:43:22,560 --> 02:43:25,080
So of course, sometimes if
it's an equal change out,

3383
02:43:25,080 --> 02:43:26,680
yes, much more expedited.

3384
02:43:26,680 --> 02:43:29,440
But if there's drawings
engineer drawings required,

3385
02:43:29,440 --> 02:43:31,980
that's where you can
anticipate a longer review time

3386
02:43:31,980 --> 02:43:35,740
and not that same
day permit issuance.

3387
02:43:35,740 --> 02:43:39,260
And then as far as streamlining
the guidance and outreach

3388
02:43:39,260 --> 02:43:43,460
on our really just the
timelines and the instructions

3389
02:43:43,460 --> 02:43:49,020
and eligibility for contractors
and residents to as far as what

3390
02:43:49,020 --> 02:43:51,300
types of permits can
be issued same day.

3391
02:43:51,300 --> 02:43:52,940
One of the things
that we're doing,

3392
02:43:52,940 --> 02:43:54,280
and we'll get to
this in a minute,

3393
02:43:54,280 --> 02:43:57,030
is we have a series of website
updates and improvements

3394
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:58,050
that we've been making.

3395
02:43:58,050 --> 02:44:01,150
So we're almost to what
I think of as the fun

3396
02:44:01,150 --> 02:44:07,110
part of really making it more
of a revamped and dynamic pages.

3397
02:44:07,110 --> 02:44:10,430
The first kind of stage was
really the cleanup and then

3398
02:44:10,430 --> 02:44:13,430
the regulatory
stance, but next will

3399
02:44:13,430 --> 02:44:16,830
be that really getting
showcasing the things that we

3400
02:44:16,830 --> 02:44:19,630
really want to be able to
not only call attention

3401
02:44:19,630 --> 02:44:22,950
to but make sure that
again, there's transparency

3402
02:44:22,950 --> 02:44:27,910
and that everyone understands
what the expectations are.

3403
02:44:27,910 --> 02:44:30,090
Establishing a single
point of contact.

3404
02:44:30,090 --> 02:44:32,390
So I will say that I
think that this has been

3405
02:44:32,390 --> 02:44:34,230
one of the most
successful kind of changes

3406
02:44:34,230 --> 02:44:35,990
that we've implemented.

3407
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:38,090
Now, when a permit
application comes in,

3408
02:44:38,090 --> 02:44:40,770
that permit application is
assigned to a permit tech,

3409
02:44:40,770 --> 02:44:43,590
and that permit tech takes
it from start to finish.

3410
02:44:43,590 --> 02:44:46,070
And so just having that
single point of contact

3411
02:44:46,070 --> 02:44:48,290
has been very, very helpful.

3412
02:44:48,290 --> 02:44:50,210
And we've gotten
some great feedback.

3413
02:44:50,210 --> 02:44:52,830
We also have where
the permit the permit

3414
02:44:52,830 --> 02:44:57,450
techs, depending on the specific
scope of work in the project.

3415
02:44:57,450 --> 02:44:59,830
If they're asking for a
survey and it's been a day

3416
02:44:59,830 --> 02:45:02,010
and they haven't gotten the
survey, they may not reach out.

3417
02:45:02,010 --> 02:45:04,590
But again, just being mindful
and being on top of it

3418
02:45:04,590 --> 02:45:07,870
and having that ownership and
accountability of those permits

3419
02:45:07,870 --> 02:45:09,290
has been fantastic.

3420
02:45:09,290 --> 02:45:12,110
And almost to the point where
we've seen some kind of permit

3421
02:45:12,110 --> 02:45:14,670
techs take their kind of
territory and their permits

3422
02:45:14,670 --> 02:45:16,090
very seriously.

3423
02:45:16,090 --> 02:45:18,290
But it's been great
collaboration and teamwork,

3424
02:45:18,290 --> 02:45:25,470
and we've seen some really good
metrics on the improvement side.

3425
02:45:25,470 --> 02:45:27,750
For appointments, again,
you can make an appointment

3426
02:45:27,750 --> 02:45:30,710
with the building official or
the deputy building official

3427
02:45:30,710 --> 02:45:32,270
by calling the
number or emailing

3428
02:45:32,270 --> 02:45:33,850
permits at ST. Pete Beach.

3429
02:45:33,850 --> 02:45:38,850
We also extended the evening
hours on Wednesday until 5:30.

3430
02:45:38,850 --> 02:45:40,550
And again, that
was just in essence

3431
02:45:40,550 --> 02:45:43,030
to try and be more accessible.

3432
02:45:43,030 --> 02:45:45,950
I will tell you that in the nine
weeks since we've implemented

3433
02:45:45,950 --> 02:45:48,630
it, it's on Wednesdays only.

3434
02:45:48,630 --> 02:45:52,760
And again, in the nine weeks
we've had 12 people total.

3435
02:45:52,760 --> 02:45:57,560
Only one of those has been after
4:30 since we're open till 5:30.

3436
02:45:57,560 --> 02:45:59,560
And so we are making
the recommendation

3437
02:45:59,560 --> 02:46:00,940
and talking with
the administration.

3438
02:46:00,940 --> 02:46:03,800
We think that it's probably
most feasible to just scale that

3439
02:46:03,800 --> 02:46:06,380
back to 4:30, still
keep the extended hour,

3440
02:46:06,380 --> 02:46:07,340
the hour and a half.

3441
02:46:07,340 --> 02:46:10,520
But with regard to the
staff, it is overtime

3442
02:46:10,520 --> 02:46:11,740
for the couple members.

3443
02:46:11,740 --> 02:46:13,640
We always have at least
two here just for safety

3444
02:46:13,640 --> 02:46:15,760
and security purposes,
but we haven't

3445
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:17,380
really seen that traction.

3446
02:46:17,380 --> 02:46:20,920
Now, I will say that we are
going to be having a contractor

3447
02:46:20,920 --> 02:46:23,000
roundtable focus
group, and so we

3448
02:46:23,000 --> 02:46:25,460
hope to get additional
feedback from the contractors,

3449
02:46:25,460 --> 02:46:27,680
because a lot of
this so far has been

3450
02:46:27,680 --> 02:46:31,900
from the resident and resident
builder owner builders.

3451
02:46:31,900 --> 02:46:34,200
So we want to make
sure that, again, we're

3452
02:46:34,200 --> 02:46:36,040
hearing from the
contractors and seeing

3453
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:39,400
what they think would be most
accommodating to their needs

3454
02:46:39,400 --> 02:46:41,480
as well.

3455
02:46:41,480 --> 02:46:44,520
And I mentioned that
we were having I said

3456
02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:45,820
the contractor focus group.

3457
02:46:45,820 --> 02:46:48,800
But before that this Thursday
is going to be the building

3458
02:46:48,800 --> 02:46:52,310
and permitting open
house here in chambers.

3459
02:46:52,310 --> 02:46:54,250
And so that's really
intended to just

3460
02:46:54,250 --> 02:46:57,510
be if you have any questions,
if you're stuck in the process,

3461
02:46:57,510 --> 02:47:00,410
if you don't know
what to do next,

3462
02:47:00,410 --> 02:47:02,490
we're even
emphasizing that we'll

3463
02:47:02,490 --> 02:47:05,170
schedule a not on
the books inspection

3464
02:47:05,170 --> 02:47:07,930
and have one of our inspectors
go out with you to your property

3465
02:47:07,930 --> 02:47:10,090
and look at the situation
and be able to help

3466
02:47:10,090 --> 02:47:13,030
you determine which route to
go and which steps to take.

3467
02:47:13,030 --> 02:47:16,690
So this is really intended, of
course, to target the hurricane

3468
02:47:16,690 --> 02:47:18,030
damage and repairs.

3469
02:47:18,030 --> 02:47:19,510
But it's really open to anyone.

3470
02:47:19,510 --> 02:47:23,350
So we'll have staff in here
from 8:00 to I believe,

3471
02:47:23,350 --> 02:47:24,310
11 o'clock AM.

3472
02:47:24,310 --> 02:47:27,850
We'll have representatives from
the Pinellas recovers program.

3473
02:47:27,850 --> 02:47:29,070
So they'll be here.

3474
02:47:29,070 --> 02:47:32,710
And anyone interested in
any of their programming.

3475
02:47:32,710 --> 02:47:35,610
Again, they have a series
of buckets of grant funding

3476
02:47:35,610 --> 02:47:38,050
for residents and
business owners,

3477
02:47:38,050 --> 02:47:40,050
so they'll be available
to answer questions

3478
02:47:40,050 --> 02:47:42,050
and help anyone that's
interested in applying

3479
02:47:42,050 --> 02:47:43,310
for those programs.

3480
02:47:43,310 --> 02:47:45,930


3481
02:47:45,930 --> 02:47:48,510
For consolidated reviews,
this is something,

3482
02:47:48,510 --> 02:47:49,830
again, that we're working with.

3483
02:47:49,830 --> 02:47:51,940
I'll call it our
multi-departmental

3484
02:47:51,940 --> 02:47:54,020
interdisciplinary group,
because it's really

3485
02:47:54,020 --> 02:47:56,900
those more complex projects
that require a planning

3486
02:47:56,900 --> 02:47:58,540
review, a fire review.

3487
02:47:58,540 --> 02:48:00,460
And when we started
really talking

3488
02:48:00,460 --> 02:48:04,940
about a consolidated review
process, what we heard,

3489
02:48:04,940 --> 02:48:07,340
especially from some of the
contractors that we spoke to is

3490
02:48:07,340 --> 02:48:09,560
they really didn't want
us to sit on that review.

3491
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:10,980
If there was a review
available, they

3492
02:48:10,980 --> 02:48:13,620
wanted made available
to them so they could

3493
02:48:13,620 --> 02:48:15,660
start acting on it accordingly.

3494
02:48:15,660 --> 02:48:17,400
However, what we
found along the way.

3495
02:48:17,400 --> 02:48:20,620
And as we started peeling things
back and asking more questions,

3496
02:48:20,620 --> 02:48:23,500
we found that some of it was
just the communication, the way

3497
02:48:23,500 --> 02:48:25,220
that things were
looking in the portal

3498
02:48:25,220 --> 02:48:26,960
and even just terminology.

3499
02:48:26,960 --> 02:48:30,800
So for example, rather
than saying plan,

3500
02:48:30,800 --> 02:48:34,700
review approved, complete.

3501
02:48:34,700 --> 02:48:36,700
So things like
that, we've already

3502
02:48:36,700 --> 02:48:38,520
implemented some changes.

3503
02:48:38,520 --> 02:48:41,920
And then also identifying which
division it's been approved by.

3504
02:48:41,920 --> 02:48:43,580
I know it sounds so
simple, but being

3505
02:48:43,580 --> 02:48:47,980
able to say that planning,
has completed their review,

3506
02:48:47,980 --> 02:48:50,690
it's not saying that your
application is approved yet,

3507
02:48:50,690 --> 02:48:52,850
it's just saying that
they've completed it.

3508
02:48:52,850 --> 02:48:55,790
And so again, we've been working
with innovation and technology

3509
02:48:55,790 --> 02:48:58,870
to help us further be
able to whether it's

3510
02:48:58,870 --> 02:49:00,930
a workaround in the
system, because again,

3511
02:49:00,930 --> 02:49:03,370
we have to work with the system
that we have in place now.

3512
02:49:03,370 --> 02:49:06,490
But if there's some low hanging
fruit and things like that,

3513
02:49:06,490 --> 02:49:09,390
just terminology changes
that we can implement

3514
02:49:09,390 --> 02:49:13,050
as well as how staff is
actually capturing it.

3515
02:49:13,050 --> 02:49:15,370
You that consistency
is so important.

3516
02:49:15,370 --> 02:49:18,190
So this is informing
our internal SOPs.

3517
02:49:18,190 --> 02:49:20,370
And when Candace
gets to her part,

3518
02:49:20,370 --> 02:49:23,390
you'll see that there's really
a lot of good documentation

3519
02:49:23,390 --> 02:49:26,410
that not only is it going
to help us in the future,

3520
02:49:26,410 --> 02:49:31,430
but it's informing our
day to day operations

3521
02:49:31,430 --> 02:49:34,370
and then defining and monitoring
this standard timeline.

3522
02:49:34,370 --> 02:49:37,510
So again, we have the regulatory
and statutory requirements

3523
02:49:37,510 --> 02:49:38,950
for our review.

3524
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:43,130
And then we also have just
the reality of the situation.

3525
02:49:43,130 --> 02:49:45,710
And what we found is that the
cleanest and most transparent

3526
02:49:45,710 --> 02:49:48,510
way to do that is to
just be able to show

3527
02:49:48,510 --> 02:49:51,190
you what the regulatory.

3528
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:54,550
What those timelines are
and then also be able to

3529
02:49:54,550 --> 02:49:56,570
through the portal and through
what we're working with,

3530
02:49:56,570 --> 02:49:58,750
innovation and
technology just show you

3531
02:49:58,750 --> 02:50:02,290
in real time what those reviews
are and what time that's taking.

3532
02:50:02,290 --> 02:50:08,030
So we'll get a little bit more
into that in a few moments.

3533
02:50:08,030 --> 02:50:09,850
I mentioned the website updates.

3534
02:50:09,850 --> 02:50:12,410
This has been I
can't thank Mark.

3535
02:50:12,410 --> 02:50:14,930
Mark Portugal, our
communications manager, enough.

3536
02:50:14,930 --> 02:50:17,170
He's been instrumental
in this process.

3537
02:50:17,170 --> 02:50:20,450
And we also have a lead
technician, Ryan garbett,

3538
02:50:20,450 --> 02:50:24,790
that's been will call our
website liaison because again,

3539
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:27,990
what we found in this process
is it's continuously evolving

3540
02:50:27,990 --> 02:50:29,890
and we're frankly
never going to be done.

3541
02:50:29,890 --> 02:50:33,350
The minute that I think that
it probably is somewhat good

3542
02:50:33,350 --> 02:50:36,750
and you navigate the
site, pretty nicely, I

3543
02:50:36,750 --> 02:50:39,230
think we'll be probably
needing some updates,

3544
02:50:39,230 --> 02:50:44,010
so but we're breaking it up into
what I said these three stages.

3545
02:50:44,010 --> 02:50:46,980
So the first stage was just
again, getting anything.

3546
02:50:46,980 --> 02:50:49,440
I mean, frankly, I think what
happened is it wasn't maybe

3547
02:50:49,440 --> 02:50:50,980
perfect before the storms.

3548
02:50:50,980 --> 02:50:51,860
The storms happened.

3549
02:50:51,860 --> 02:50:54,800
And then we had to get so much
information up on the site

3550
02:50:54,800 --> 02:50:58,000
and quickly that it's
just there's so much

3551
02:50:58,000 --> 02:50:59,460
and it's in multiple places.

3552
02:50:59,460 --> 02:51:02,600
So we've had to go through and
just really remove anything

3553
02:51:02,600 --> 02:51:05,180
that's just truly outdated
or needs to come off,

3554
02:51:05,180 --> 02:51:08,640
or if it's causing more
confusion, get it off the site.

3555
02:51:08,640 --> 02:51:10,520
And then with that,
though, there's

3556
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:12,440
a lot of documents
and forms that are

3557
02:51:12,440 --> 02:51:14,020
associated with those links.

3558
02:51:14,020 --> 02:51:16,480
So it's not like you can just
remove the link without updating

3559
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:17,420
the information.

3560
02:51:17,420 --> 02:51:19,560
And so it creates kind
of a snowball effect.

3561
02:51:19,560 --> 02:51:21,280
The next phase that we're
going to be entering

3562
02:51:21,280 --> 02:51:24,480
is really now that we've started
removing so many things, just

3563
02:51:24,480 --> 02:51:25,960
want to make sure that
we have everything

3564
02:51:25,960 --> 02:51:28,380
that we need to have
statutorily up there.

3565
02:51:28,380 --> 02:51:31,400
There were also some
changes with SB 180,

3566
02:51:31,400 --> 02:51:34,520
specifically as it pertains
to how we're going to conduct

3567
02:51:34,520 --> 02:51:38,240
our operations after a storm
and how quickly we can get back

3568
02:51:38,240 --> 02:51:40,120
online, and how we're
going to get back

3569
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:43,300
to 40 hours of operation
as soon as feasible,

3570
02:51:43,300 --> 02:51:45,210
things like that
are mandatory, that

3571
02:51:45,210 --> 02:51:47,150
need to be front and center.

3572
02:51:47,150 --> 02:51:48,990
And so that's this next stage.

3573
02:51:48,990 --> 02:51:51,310
And then again, we'll come
to the more dynamic part.

3574
02:51:51,310 --> 02:51:54,690
And really maybe we'll add a
couple pictures or something to

3575
02:51:54,690 --> 02:51:56,510
the site or some infographics.

3576
02:51:56,510 --> 02:51:59,610
And then again, we'll be
continuously on a monthly basis

3577
02:51:59,610 --> 02:52:05,130
looking at updating that
site accordingly for

3578
02:52:05,130 --> 02:52:06,830
the permit portal improvements.

3579
02:52:06,830 --> 02:52:08,250
As I said, we're
ultimately going

3580
02:52:08,250 --> 02:52:12,410
to be looking at potentially
issuing an RFP for a new portal

3581
02:52:12,410 --> 02:52:13,430
and a new system.

3582
02:52:13,430 --> 02:52:15,130
But for the time
being, we've just

3583
02:52:15,130 --> 02:52:18,450
been using really any
quick wins that we

3584
02:52:18,450 --> 02:52:22,810
can and any recommendations
from innovation and technology

3585
02:52:22,810 --> 02:52:25,150
to be able to just
it's so important.

3586
02:52:25,150 --> 02:52:28,090
What we found is just the
communication within the portal

3587
02:52:28,090 --> 02:52:29,650
because it's only
as good as you know

3588
02:52:29,650 --> 02:52:32,630
what you put what you get out is
only as good as what you put in.

3589
02:52:32,630 --> 02:52:34,470
So that consistency
across the board,

3590
02:52:34,470 --> 02:52:36,890
in those small little tweaks
that we've already made,

3591
02:52:36,890 --> 02:52:39,070
has been tremendous in
helping us be able to,

3592
02:52:39,070 --> 02:52:41,350
again, know where we're
at, where we're at now,

3593
02:52:41,350 --> 02:52:45,260
to know where we want to be.

3594
02:52:45,260 --> 02:52:47,240
And AI tool evaluation.

3595
02:52:47,240 --> 02:52:49,260
This is something
that is aligned

3596
02:52:49,260 --> 02:52:51,560
with in part with plan review.

3597
02:52:51,560 --> 02:52:53,940
But also, as we
know, AI, there's

3598
02:52:53,940 --> 02:52:55,980
so many different tools
available, especially

3599
02:52:55,980 --> 02:52:57,900
in our line of work,
from plan review

3600
02:52:57,900 --> 02:53:02,420
to how you can incorporate
it into as part of an AI

3601
02:53:02,420 --> 02:53:04,920
work system or a platform.

3602
02:53:04,920 --> 02:53:08,780
So what we've been doing is
leaning more into the experts

3603
02:53:08,780 --> 02:53:09,960
to help us with that.

3604
02:53:09,960 --> 02:53:12,700
And so we've just through
that interdisciplinary group,

3605
02:53:12,700 --> 02:53:15,300
we've been trying to
bring in other disciplines

3606
02:53:15,300 --> 02:53:18,460
to make sure that, again,
whatever software or technology

3607
02:53:18,460 --> 02:53:21,160
we get in the future, that
we're not missing anything.

3608
02:53:21,160 --> 02:53:23,420
It's really a strategic
approach to make

3609
02:53:23,420 --> 02:53:27,440
sure that we're almost
I say that I was joking,

3610
02:53:27,440 --> 02:53:28,120
but not really.

3611
02:53:28,120 --> 02:53:30,500
I said, we're never going to
be able to issue an RFP again

3612
02:53:30,500 --> 02:53:34,220
without almost doing again this
strategic process leading up

3613
02:53:34,220 --> 02:53:37,920
to it because it's informing not
only the software that we need,

3614
02:53:37,920 --> 02:53:40,100
but also how we can
improve our processes

3615
02:53:40,100 --> 02:53:44,180
to marry up to that technology.

3616
02:53:44,180 --> 02:53:47,380
And that RFP for the
permitting portal.

3617
02:53:47,380 --> 02:53:51,260
Again, I work is
it's what we've had

3618
02:53:51,260 --> 02:53:53,260
and we did go out
a few years ago

3619
02:53:53,260 --> 02:53:55,800
and ultimately decided
to stay with iWork.

3620
02:53:55,800 --> 02:53:59,180
But there's been a
series of there's just

3621
02:53:59,180 --> 02:54:01,820
constantly new
technologies as it pertains

3622
02:54:01,820 --> 02:54:03,520
to permitting software.

3623
02:54:03,520 --> 02:54:06,100
And then, as you know, we
also have other new software

3624
02:54:06,100 --> 02:54:09,380
such as forerunner that we
need to make sure is compatible

3625
02:54:09,380 --> 02:54:13,760
and that the software platforms
are speaking to one another.

3626
02:54:13,760 --> 02:54:16,020
So that's again where
Candace and her team

3627
02:54:16,020 --> 02:54:17,240
really come into play.

3628
02:54:17,240 --> 02:54:20,980
And making sure that, again,
we're thinking long term and not

3629
02:54:20,980 --> 02:54:24,780
just a quick fix solution.

3630
02:54:24,780 --> 02:54:26,280
I'm going to hand
it over to Kandace,

3631
02:54:26,280 --> 02:54:29,060
and she's going to go into a
little bit more, particularly

3632
02:54:29,060 --> 02:54:30,960
on the reporting
and the metrics.

3633
02:54:30,960 --> 02:54:36,860


3634
02:54:36,860 --> 02:54:37,880
Good evening, everyone.

3635
02:54:37,880 --> 02:54:41,110
Candace Galloway way
ahead of technology

3636
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:46,070
and strategy and innovation
whatever else I'm asked to do.

3637
02:54:46,070 --> 02:54:48,810
Hopefully you're getting the
sense that well, collaborative,

3638
02:54:48,810 --> 02:54:51,990
and wear a lot of hats
and share responsibility

3639
02:54:51,990 --> 02:54:54,150
pretty well across
our functions.

3640
02:54:54,150 --> 02:54:58,030
So I'm here to support the
team and support the message

3641
02:54:58,030 --> 02:55:00,890
that Laura's been conveying and
the work that her team is doing.

3642
02:55:00,890 --> 02:55:08,110
And, clearly, we had a mandate
to a 30, 60, 90 day and 6 month

3643
02:55:08,110 --> 02:55:11,030
report out to this group
that included a lot of things

3644
02:55:11,030 --> 02:55:13,230
that Laura just discussed and
some things that I'm also going

3645
02:55:13,230 --> 02:55:15,010
to discuss towards the end.

3646
02:55:15,010 --> 02:55:17,350
But I think the things
that you're probably most

3647
02:55:17,350 --> 02:55:19,090
interested in are kind of here.

3648
02:55:19,090 --> 02:55:21,110
I've put them in the
middle, and that's really

3649
02:55:21,110 --> 02:55:23,790
around growing our
metrics, maturity

3650
02:55:23,790 --> 02:55:25,550
and the process around that.

3651
02:55:25,550 --> 02:55:28,530
Clearly that's an important
component from a strategy,

3652
02:55:28,530 --> 02:55:30,910
from a planning and
measuring and optimizing

3653
02:55:30,910 --> 02:55:32,850
how we work as an organization.

3654
02:55:32,850 --> 02:55:37,270
So we're going to talk a
little bit about that first.

3655
02:55:37,270 --> 02:55:39,520
So this slide here is
just meant to give you

3656
02:55:39,520 --> 02:55:42,500
a picture of the
last couple of years,

3657
02:55:42,500 --> 02:55:45,320
our focus has been
very centralized

3658
02:55:45,320 --> 02:55:49,820
on a lot of emergency and
disaster recovery metrics.

3659
02:55:49,820 --> 02:55:54,520
And so, we were really focused
in the area where we wanted

3660
02:55:54,520 --> 02:55:57,240
to see how long it was
taking to get from one phase

3661
02:55:57,240 --> 02:56:03,920
to another in terms of damage
assessment, cisd assessment work

3662
02:56:03,920 --> 02:56:05,840
and permitting around that.

3663
02:56:05,840 --> 02:56:09,840
And the focus was really
thinking on our feet,

3664
02:56:09,840 --> 02:56:12,260
ensuring that we're trying
our best, obviously,

3665
02:56:12,260 --> 02:56:16,060
to get people permitted, get
those damage assessments done,

3666
02:56:16,060 --> 02:56:19,280
get people back in their
homes and try to work really

3667
02:56:19,280 --> 02:56:20,800
focused on disaster recovery.

3668
02:56:20,800 --> 02:56:22,720
And so we've really
spent the last couple

3669
02:56:22,720 --> 02:56:24,320
of years in that space.

3670
02:56:24,320 --> 02:56:26,260
And our metrics reflected that.

3671
02:56:26,260 --> 02:56:29,040
But clearly we're
moving in a direction

3672
02:56:29,040 --> 02:56:30,580
where we need to look
more holistically.

3673
02:56:30,580 --> 02:56:33,560
And so, our approach
needs to change with it.

3674
02:56:33,560 --> 02:56:36,677
So the plan right now is
to move in a direction

3675
02:56:36,677 --> 02:56:38,410
where we're going to start
looking more holistically

3676
02:56:38,410 --> 02:56:41,890
about how we're looking at
operationalizing the way we work

3677
02:56:41,890 --> 02:56:43,590
and how we're tracking
and measuring that.

3678
02:56:43,590 --> 02:56:49,050
So this next slide
there's a lot here.

3679
02:56:49,050 --> 02:56:53,050
But I think the key takeaway
is about where we are right now

3680
02:56:53,050 --> 02:56:54,870
and before we actually
get into the metrics.

3681
02:56:54,870 --> 02:56:57,090
So one of the things I
apologize I didn't call out

3682
02:56:57,090 --> 02:56:59,290
is there might be one
or two of these slides

3683
02:56:59,290 --> 02:57:02,250
that you're going to see
that are not in your packet.

3684
02:57:02,250 --> 02:57:03,750
Not me on that one.

3685
02:57:03,750 --> 02:57:05,030
Yep they're not in your packet.

3686
02:57:05,030 --> 02:57:10,050
And so the reason they aren't is
because this stuff is evolving

3687
02:57:10,050 --> 02:57:12,290
right now with us with you.

3688
02:57:12,290 --> 02:57:15,530
So one of the things I wanted
to call out specifically

3689
02:57:15,530 --> 02:57:20,170
on our approach is the goal is
to come back and be transparent,

3690
02:57:20,170 --> 02:57:22,130
bring as much real
time information to you

3691
02:57:22,130 --> 02:57:25,310
as we can, and there's
pros and cons to that.

3692
02:57:25,310 --> 02:57:29,310
And part of the cons is we're
bringing you along for the ride.

3693
02:57:29,310 --> 02:57:32,810
We're bringing you along with
the development and the strategy

3694
02:57:32,810 --> 02:57:34,550
and the work that we're doing.

3695
02:57:34,550 --> 02:57:37,780
So, you're going to be part
of that process as we go.

3696
02:57:37,780 --> 02:57:40,840
And everything is
still evolving.

3697
02:57:40,840 --> 02:57:42,160
I want to make that clear.

3698
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:43,620
As before, we get into
some of the metrics

3699
02:57:43,620 --> 02:57:45,620
that you're going to see today,
because some of those things

3700
02:57:45,620 --> 02:57:48,500
are going to change.

3701
02:57:48,500 --> 02:57:51,800
So as I mentioned, we're
building a framework.

3702
02:57:51,800 --> 02:57:52,840
We're bringing you along.

3703
02:57:52,840 --> 02:57:56,060
We're bringing the
visibility to you early.

3704
02:57:56,060 --> 02:57:58,420
But as I said, we're
going to those things

3705
02:57:58,420 --> 02:57:59,780
are still in development.

3706
02:57:59,780 --> 02:58:01,580
And it's really more of
a directional approach

3707
02:58:01,580 --> 02:58:02,440
on the metrics.

3708
02:58:02,440 --> 02:58:05,947
And to get some feedback
from you all, sorry,

3709
02:58:05,947 --> 02:58:07,280
I'm having trouble
with this microphone.

3710
02:58:07,280 --> 02:58:09,560
So I'm going to try to
get it down my direction.

3711
02:58:09,560 --> 02:58:13,100
Hopefully you guys can
hear me still pretty well.

3712
02:58:13,100 --> 02:58:14,600
The dashboard dashboarding.

3713
02:58:14,600 --> 02:58:15,720
We've started that process.

3714
02:58:15,720 --> 02:58:17,760
But the data is being refined.

3715
02:58:17,760 --> 02:58:20,220
There's still a fair amount
to do to improve accuracy

3716
02:58:20,220 --> 02:58:21,860
and to ensure that
it's the right metrics

3717
02:58:21,860 --> 02:58:23,240
and the right set of metrics.

3718
02:58:23,240 --> 02:58:26,940
So by no means is this final.

3719
02:58:26,940 --> 02:58:30,280
And again, I think I already
stated it's not the end state.

3720
02:58:30,280 --> 02:58:34,060
So we're going to be continuing
to work through that process

3721
02:58:34,060 --> 02:58:36,100
overall where we're headed.

3722
02:58:36,100 --> 02:58:40,580
Obviously, we want to
standardize the way that we

3723
02:58:40,580 --> 02:58:43,360
define permit types,
permit definitions,

3724
02:58:43,360 --> 02:58:45,620
workflows within the system.

3725
02:58:45,620 --> 02:58:48,100
One of the things I will
tell you, as I've gotten more

3726
02:58:48,100 --> 02:58:52,260
into the actual work of what's
happening in this organization,

3727
02:58:52,260 --> 02:58:54,060
this is pretty
difficult. This takes

3728
02:58:54,060 --> 02:58:55,400
a lot of critical thinking.

3729
02:58:55,400 --> 02:58:57,740
It takes a lot of
time to sit down

3730
02:58:57,740 --> 02:59:03,820
and map out what's happening
to get shared, gain alignment

3731
02:59:03,820 --> 02:59:08,020
between the teams in terms
of just mere definitions, how

3732
02:59:08,020 --> 02:59:11,860
people are using the system,
what statuses and states mean,

3733
02:59:11,860 --> 02:59:14,460
how the workflows work.

3734
02:59:14,460 --> 02:59:16,780
All of those things
are really the I

3735
02:59:16,780 --> 02:59:18,240
think I mentioned
last time I was here,

3736
02:59:18,240 --> 02:59:19,520
it's the non-sexy work.

3737
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:21,920
It's not really the fun
stuff that people like to do,

3738
02:59:21,920 --> 02:59:24,260
but it's fundamentally what
we must be doing in order

3739
02:59:24,260 --> 02:59:28,100
to effectively get a better
alignment and a directionally

3740
02:59:28,100 --> 02:59:31,920
as a group move to
operationally improve ourselves.

3741
02:59:31,920 --> 02:59:34,610
So where we're headed.

3742
02:59:34,610 --> 02:59:36,890
Obviously I just mentioned
we're working on workflows.

3743
02:59:36,890 --> 02:59:38,650
We're defining
permit definitions.

3744
02:59:38,650 --> 02:59:41,110
We're going line
by line permit type

3745
02:59:41,110 --> 02:59:42,970
by permit type in the system.

3746
02:59:42,970 --> 02:59:45,883
And we're defining all of
that and documenting that.

3747
02:59:45,883 --> 02:59:47,050
And I'll show you
that in a minute.

3748
02:59:47,050 --> 02:59:49,710
And how we're trying to
memorialize that into a package

3749
02:59:49,710 --> 02:59:52,670
that's going to be useful
for a number of reasons.

3750
02:59:52,670 --> 02:59:54,450
We're using data already.

3751
02:59:54,450 --> 02:59:56,670
So some of the metrics,
even though they're still

3752
02:59:56,670 --> 02:59:59,010
in development, we're using
them, as Laura mentioned,

3753
02:59:59,010 --> 03:00:00,630
they're driving some
of the training things

3754
03:00:00,630 --> 03:00:02,830
that are happening
in the organization.

3755
03:00:02,830 --> 03:00:05,550
They're driving some of the
opportunities for improvement

3756
03:00:05,550 --> 03:00:06,570
and enhancement.

3757
03:00:06,570 --> 03:00:08,830
So they're already helping
us find where we might have

3758
03:00:08,830 --> 03:00:10,270
bottlenecks or
areas that we need

3759
03:00:10,270 --> 03:00:13,310
to focus our attention in terms
of improvement and change.

3760
03:00:13,310 --> 03:00:15,430
And obviously, we want
to build for a more

3761
03:00:15,430 --> 03:00:20,950
modern and data driven model
overall, as we operate.

3762
03:00:20,950 --> 03:00:21,610
All right.

3763
03:00:21,610 --> 03:00:23,630
So the metrics.

3764
03:00:23,630 --> 03:00:28,310
This first slide of metrics is
really just meant to show you

3765
03:00:28,310 --> 03:00:30,250
the total number of permits.

3766
03:00:30,250 --> 03:00:33,620
So what we decided to do is
start from January forward.

3767
03:00:33,620 --> 03:00:36,800
So January of 2026.

3768
03:00:36,800 --> 03:00:39,360
And after any
permits we're going

3769
03:00:39,360 --> 03:00:41,520
to start reporting out to you.

3770
03:00:41,520 --> 03:00:43,220
We're looking at permits
that were submitted,

3771
03:00:43,220 --> 03:00:46,080
permit applications that were
submitted during that period.

3772
03:00:46,080 --> 03:00:48,560
And, we're going to
obviously report out

3773
03:00:48,560 --> 03:00:50,280
to you on a number of
states and statuses

3774
03:00:50,280 --> 03:00:52,980
related to those permits,
anything older than that.

3775
03:00:52,980 --> 03:00:55,640
So if it was submitted last
December or last October

3776
03:00:55,640 --> 03:00:59,440
or last January, it's not
represented in these numbers,

3777
03:00:59,440 --> 03:01:01,880
and we don't necessarily
intend to go back

3778
03:01:01,880 --> 03:01:06,220
and do that legwork per se to
draw those into these metrics.

3779
03:01:06,220 --> 03:01:08,000
Unless you are looking
for something specific

3780
03:01:08,000 --> 03:01:11,140
and you want us to produce
something, we're happy to do it.

3781
03:01:11,140 --> 03:01:13,080
But right now, I want you
to know it's not baked in

3782
03:01:13,080 --> 03:01:17,280
and we're not necessarily
anticipating doing so.

3783
03:01:17,280 --> 03:01:19,880
But this first slide
obviously shows you,

3784
03:01:19,880 --> 03:01:22,080
and the reason that we're
putting two months up instead

3785
03:01:22,080 --> 03:01:23,560
of 1 is because
obviously we have

3786
03:01:23,560 --> 03:01:25,040
a couple months
underneath our belt

3787
03:01:25,040 --> 03:01:26,220
from a reporting standpoint.

3788
03:01:26,220 --> 03:01:27,340
So we've combined them.

3789
03:01:27,340 --> 03:01:30,230
We intend to probably report
out on a monthly basis.

3790
03:01:30,230 --> 03:01:33,370
So you'll be getting a
month over month view.

3791
03:01:33,370 --> 03:01:35,730
Kind of on a go forward basis.

3792
03:01:35,730 --> 03:01:38,350
This is meant to show
the mix of permit types.

3793
03:01:38,350 --> 03:01:40,650
So one of the things
that you also see here

3794
03:01:40,650 --> 03:01:43,730
is some categorization
on the permit types

3795
03:01:43,730 --> 03:01:47,130
that aren't necessarily directly
representative of the permit

3796
03:01:47,130 --> 03:01:48,670
types that are in the system.

3797
03:01:48,670 --> 03:01:52,290
So a lot of the work
that we've put in to date

3798
03:01:52,290 --> 03:01:55,890
is really around benchmarking
how other communities

3799
03:01:55,890 --> 03:01:58,090
are rolling up their metrics.

3800
03:01:58,090 --> 03:01:59,290
You certainly don't
want to sit here

3801
03:01:59,290 --> 03:02:00,810
and look at 40
different categories

3802
03:02:00,810 --> 03:02:02,230
and 40 different types of work.

3803
03:02:02,230 --> 03:02:05,090
I assure you, that's not going
to be a useful of your time.

3804
03:02:05,090 --> 03:02:07,090
So we're going
through the process

3805
03:02:07,090 --> 03:02:09,210
right now of how do
we categorize these,

3806
03:02:09,210 --> 03:02:11,530
the work, the types
of permits, and roll

3807
03:02:11,530 --> 03:02:13,010
it up in a meaningful way.

3808
03:02:13,010 --> 03:02:16,630
That is something that the
community can grasp onto.

3809
03:02:16,630 --> 03:02:19,710
And so this is again, meant
to be a draft starting point.

3810
03:02:19,710 --> 03:02:21,490
And we're looking for guidance
and feedback of what's

3811
03:02:21,490 --> 03:02:23,090
going to resonate with
you all and what you

3812
03:02:23,090 --> 03:02:24,150
think is going to be helpful.

3813
03:02:24,150 --> 03:02:25,710
And resonate more
with the community.

3814
03:02:25,710 --> 03:02:29,050
But right now we went from
basically 40 categories down

3815
03:02:29,050 --> 03:02:32,850
to 15 at the moment, with
plans to continue to modify

3816
03:02:32,850 --> 03:02:35,410
and refine that process.

3817
03:02:35,410 --> 03:02:38,010
And then one other call out on
this particular slide before I

3818
03:02:38,010 --> 03:02:42,410
go on metrics is we did report
on stop work orders and work

3819
03:02:42,410 --> 03:02:43,470
without permits.

3820
03:02:43,470 --> 03:02:45,870
Those aren't necessarily
a specific type of permit,

3821
03:02:45,870 --> 03:02:47,610
but it was expressed
interest that we

3822
03:02:47,610 --> 03:02:50,170
start showing some
of that information

3823
03:02:50,170 --> 03:02:51,710
and provide that
transparency to you.

3824
03:02:51,710 --> 03:02:53,430
So that's why those
are reported here.

3825
03:02:53,430 --> 03:02:57,130
And we'll continue to do
that effectively as we go.

3826
03:02:57,130 --> 03:02:59,170
All right.

3827
03:02:59,170 --> 03:03:00,870
So the total permits issued.

3828
03:03:00,870 --> 03:03:04,690
So this one is just giving you a
snapshot again month over month

3829
03:03:04,690 --> 03:03:07,850
that we had a total of
97 permits in January

3830
03:03:07,850 --> 03:03:09,210
that were issued.

3831
03:03:09,210 --> 03:03:11,850
So that came in after
January and that were issued

3832
03:03:11,850 --> 03:03:14,370
during the month of January.

3833
03:03:14,370 --> 03:03:19,130
And then a total of 158 that
came in during the month,

3834
03:03:19,130 --> 03:03:21,210
within the month
of or since January

3835
03:03:21,210 --> 03:03:22,590
that were issued in February.

3836
03:03:22,590 --> 03:03:24,650
So that would be a rolling
total right of month

3837
03:03:24,650 --> 03:03:26,840
over month within February.

3838
03:03:26,840 --> 03:03:30,260
It's not capturing just
those that came in February

3839
03:03:30,260 --> 03:03:31,520
and issued in February.

3840
03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:33,320
It's anything that was
issued in February.

3841
03:03:33,320 --> 03:03:37,080
A total that were issued of 158.

3842
03:03:37,080 --> 03:03:40,180
So it's a pretty substantial
increase month over month.

3843
03:03:40,180 --> 03:03:45,060
It's technically 63% There's
a 61 number of permits

3844
03:03:45,060 --> 03:03:48,040
that the team,
put out or issued.

3845
03:03:48,040 --> 03:03:49,740
So the productivity
gain in February

3846
03:03:49,740 --> 03:03:51,900
was significantly
higher than January.

3847
03:03:51,900 --> 03:03:54,920
You had a few less days
to get that work out also.

3848
03:03:54,920 --> 03:03:57,580
So it's a good indicator
that the team is kind

3849
03:03:57,580 --> 03:03:59,320
of staying on top of the work.

3850
03:03:59,320 --> 03:04:01,180
And we're maintaining
our traction

3851
03:04:01,180 --> 03:04:03,220
in terms of the input and
the intake that's coming in

3852
03:04:03,220 --> 03:04:04,880
and the outflow
from the Department.

3853
03:04:04,880 --> 03:04:07,060
So some of the things that we're
trying to start using to help

3854
03:04:07,060 --> 03:04:09,540
give us a little bit of
guidance on how the flow of work

3855
03:04:09,540 --> 03:04:12,180
is happening and whether
we're able to stay on top

3856
03:04:12,180 --> 03:04:14,860
and keep the intake
and outflow and stay

3857
03:04:14,860 --> 03:04:16,760
on top of the actual work.

3858
03:04:16,760 --> 03:04:20,980


3859
03:04:20,980 --> 03:04:21,600
All right.

3860
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:23,880
So these have been
controversial in the past.

3861
03:04:23,880 --> 03:04:28,050
I'm sure there's questions and
concerns about these today.

3862
03:04:28,050 --> 03:04:31,030
But what I want to say
about this in particular

3863
03:04:31,030 --> 03:04:34,110
is I spent a lot of
time on these slides

3864
03:04:34,110 --> 03:04:37,150
and running this a
couple of different ways.

3865
03:04:37,150 --> 03:04:42,270
So with the way that we have
rolled up the categorization,

3866
03:04:42,270 --> 03:04:45,710
you can see there that
this outlines a 5.1

3867
03:04:45,710 --> 03:04:50,390
average days to close
from submittal to issued

3868
03:04:50,390 --> 03:04:52,110
for the month of January.

3869
03:04:52,110 --> 03:04:54,990
So that probably feels
to many like that

3870
03:04:54,990 --> 03:04:56,170
probably can't be true.

3871
03:04:56,170 --> 03:04:59,070
Or that's how is that possible.

3872
03:04:59,070 --> 03:05:03,590
But what I did to prove that
out in more detail is I actually

3873
03:05:03,590 --> 03:05:07,230
and took these categories
away and just went back

3874
03:05:07,230 --> 03:05:10,990
to our 40 categorization
of work and assessed

3875
03:05:10,990 --> 03:05:14,870
all of those individual
permits that were coming in.

3876
03:05:14,870 --> 03:05:19,410
And what you'll find is the
days may be increased a couple,

3877
03:05:19,410 --> 03:05:21,570
I would say 7, eight days max.

3878
03:05:21,570 --> 03:05:22,970
So there wasn't a big swing.

3879
03:05:22,970 --> 03:05:24,800
We didn't start to see that.

3880
03:05:24,800 --> 03:05:26,940
If we looked at these
numbers differently,

3881
03:05:26,940 --> 03:05:29,780
or if we changed the way we
categorize this information.

3882
03:05:29,780 --> 03:05:31,600
Large swings in
the number of days

3883
03:05:31,600 --> 03:05:35,640
it was taking on average, to
get a permit from submittal to

3884
03:05:35,640 --> 03:05:36,680
issued.

3885
03:05:36,680 --> 03:05:37,480
All right.

3886
03:05:37,480 --> 03:05:41,560
So one of the things that is
driving that largely is if you

3887
03:05:41,560 --> 03:05:43,920
look at the higher
categories here,

3888
03:05:43,920 --> 03:05:46,360
mechanical, electrical
and plumbing, those

3889
03:05:46,360 --> 03:05:48,840
are fairly significant
large amount of work

3890
03:05:48,840 --> 03:05:49,940
that we do in that space.

3891
03:05:49,940 --> 03:05:52,600
We have a lot of permits
coming in for that.

3892
03:05:52,600 --> 03:05:55,780
And those are going out at a
higher rate than many others.

3893
03:05:55,780 --> 03:05:57,740
They're easier for the
teams to accomplish.

3894
03:05:57,740 --> 03:05:58,980
Some of them are
equal change outs.

3895
03:05:58,980 --> 03:05:59,820
So they're quicker.

3896
03:05:59,820 --> 03:06:01,000
Some of them are
even the same day

3897
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:05,300
permits or similar same
year, same day permits.

3898
03:06:05,300 --> 03:06:07,840
So those categories
in particular

3899
03:06:07,840 --> 03:06:11,360
are going to influence obviously
the numbers more significantly

3900
03:06:11,360 --> 03:06:12,340
than you would have.

3901
03:06:12,340 --> 03:06:15,700
Maybe an elevation or elevation
is not a good example here.

3902
03:06:15,700 --> 03:06:20,960
But if I go back we did have
some elevations to call out on.

3903
03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:22,950
Yeah so we did have
some submitted.

3904
03:06:22,950 --> 03:06:23,670
We had three.

3905
03:06:23,670 --> 03:06:24,750
We had one in January.

3906
03:06:24,750 --> 03:06:26,250
We had two in February.

3907
03:06:26,250 --> 03:06:30,250
If you look at issued there's
0 in January and 0 in February.

3908
03:06:30,250 --> 03:06:32,070
That means we've
not issued them.

3909
03:06:32,070 --> 03:06:34,610
There's inflow no outflow.

3910
03:06:34,610 --> 03:06:36,150
So they're still in review.

3911
03:06:36,150 --> 03:06:37,730
They're still being worked.

3912
03:06:37,730 --> 03:06:41,010
So we certainly have categories
that are much higher than 5.1

3913
03:06:41,010 --> 03:06:43,370
days and the 10
days in February,

3914
03:06:43,370 --> 03:06:47,810
but it's a very small number
in terms of the volume

3915
03:06:47,810 --> 03:06:49,350
of permits that are coming in.

3916
03:06:49,350 --> 03:06:51,910
That's going to continue to
drive the weight of those.

3917
03:06:51,910 --> 03:06:53,650
The impact of that
on the average days

3918
03:06:53,650 --> 03:06:55,430
to close down or excuse me.

3919
03:06:55,430 --> 03:06:56,490
Yeah, up.

3920
03:06:56,490 --> 03:06:59,650
So it's not going to
affect it nearly as much.

3921
03:06:59,650 --> 03:07:01,210
So that's one kind
of important call out

3922
03:07:01,210 --> 03:07:03,730
about this particular slide.

3923
03:07:03,730 --> 03:07:05,910
Yes you said we're
going to jump in.

3924
03:07:05,910 --> 03:07:06,490
Yeah please.

3925
03:07:06,490 --> 03:07:09,370
One more thing that Candice
pointed out with the elevations

3926
03:07:09,370 --> 03:07:11,890
in particular, she
went back and was

3927
03:07:11,890 --> 03:07:14,290
able to look at when
those went into review

3928
03:07:14,290 --> 03:07:16,610
because we wanted to make
sure that they were in review.

3929
03:07:16,610 --> 03:07:19,750
And on average, for the three
of them, it was six days,

3930
03:07:19,750 --> 03:07:21,390
one was eight days,
one was three days.

3931
03:07:21,390 --> 03:07:24,590
So that was at least good to
know that they're in review.

3932
03:07:24,590 --> 03:07:26,570
Because as we've
told you before,

3933
03:07:26,570 --> 03:07:28,810
a lot of the delay
sometimes that we've seen

3934
03:07:28,810 --> 03:07:31,750
is that time period before
it goes into review.

3935
03:07:31,750 --> 03:07:33,670
And anyway, sorry, I
just wanted to add.

3936
03:07:33,670 --> 03:07:37,250


3937
03:07:37,250 --> 03:07:38,030
All right.

3938
03:07:38,030 --> 03:07:40,110
Let's keep moving
here a little bit.

3939
03:07:40,110 --> 03:07:44,490
So February, the days to issue
the average days to issue

3940
03:07:44,490 --> 03:07:46,450
for those that were
completed during February

3941
03:07:46,450 --> 03:07:47,970
went up to 10 days.

3942
03:07:47,970 --> 03:07:49,890
Again, you might
think, OK, those

3943
03:07:49,890 --> 03:07:51,450
on average that's going up.

3944
03:07:51,450 --> 03:07:52,990
What is the impact of that.

3945
03:07:52,990 --> 03:07:55,890
What does that signal
not necessarily a lot

3946
03:07:55,890 --> 03:07:57,190
in terms of bad for us.

3947
03:07:57,190 --> 03:08:00,050
And we'll talk about the
summary of this in a second.

3948
03:08:00,050 --> 03:08:02,170
We clearly still
have even though we

3949
03:08:02,170 --> 03:08:03,870
got many out in 10 days.

3950
03:08:03,870 --> 03:08:05,990
You can see there's
categories driveway,

3951
03:08:05,990 --> 03:08:10,950
demo pool and Spa taking
anywhere from 26.5 to 36.3.

3952
03:08:10,950 --> 03:08:14,210
So again, we're rolling
it up, but we're also

3953
03:08:14,210 --> 03:08:17,810
trying to be as transparent
with each individual set of data

3954
03:08:17,810 --> 03:08:20,540
and category so that you can
see that we understand and we

3955
03:08:20,540 --> 03:08:21,900
recognize that
clearly, there are

3956
03:08:21,900 --> 03:08:25,760
some that are taking much longer
than these averages are showing.

3957
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:30,460


3958
03:08:30,460 --> 03:08:31,000
All right.

3959
03:08:31,000 --> 03:08:31,960
Let's go back.

3960
03:08:31,960 --> 03:08:34,320
One second here.

3961
03:08:34,320 --> 03:08:37,980


3962
03:08:37,980 --> 03:08:39,200
I missed one.

3963
03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:40,940
We did that.

3964
03:08:40,940 --> 03:08:41,480
All right.

3965
03:08:41,480 --> 03:08:45,460
Maybe we I'm trying to
make sure I have my.

3966
03:08:45,460 --> 03:08:46,800
All right, let's go ahead.

3967
03:08:46,800 --> 03:08:48,433
Do you want to talk a
little bit about maybe.

3968
03:08:48,433 --> 03:08:49,600
Do you want to
spend a few minutes.

3969
03:08:49,600 --> 03:08:51,200
Laura, we did talk about this.

3970
03:08:51,200 --> 03:08:54,060
So this kind of gets down
to just a summary for you

3971
03:08:54,060 --> 03:08:55,860
on some of those
ones that we know

3972
03:08:55,860 --> 03:08:59,020
are in that higher category
that are taking longer,

3973
03:08:59,020 --> 03:09:01,240
where we might have
some potential concerns.

3974
03:09:01,240 --> 03:09:03,380
And Laura can talk a little
bit about the ones that

3975
03:09:03,380 --> 03:09:06,620
are in these high potential
bottlenecks and some of the ones

3976
03:09:06,620 --> 03:09:08,240
that are in the concern bucket.

3977
03:09:08,240 --> 03:09:10,280
And of course, there's
some strong performers,

3978
03:09:10,280 --> 03:09:11,940
as we've already talked about.

3979
03:09:11,940 --> 03:09:13,500
But I think maybe Laura
can give a little bit

3980
03:09:13,500 --> 03:09:16,960
more insight into potential
area of bottleneck.

3981
03:09:16,960 --> 03:09:21,690
They're sure, it's easy
to say more complex,

3982
03:09:21,690 --> 03:09:23,790
but I think that what's
key and when you start

3983
03:09:23,790 --> 03:09:26,710
to look at driveways, demos,
pools and spas, as many of you

3984
03:09:26,710 --> 03:09:28,710
know what's the
common denominator.

3985
03:09:28,710 --> 03:09:31,690
You're talking about the
land development code.

3986
03:09:31,690 --> 03:09:34,330
And a survey is needed
with all of these.

3987
03:09:34,330 --> 03:09:37,130
There's also often a site
plan that's required.

3988
03:09:37,130 --> 03:09:41,270
So again, more documentation,
more of a review process.

3989
03:09:41,270 --> 03:09:46,190
But again looking at these and
trying to identify and get more

3990
03:09:46,190 --> 03:09:48,770
into the details
of course of OK,

3991
03:09:48,770 --> 03:09:51,090
well at what point in the
process because again,

3992
03:09:51,090 --> 03:09:55,050
we have different divisions that
are looking at different things.

3993
03:09:55,050 --> 03:09:57,470
And so is there a way
that we can expedite

3994
03:09:57,470 --> 03:09:59,650
things on our end in any way.

3995
03:09:59,650 --> 03:10:02,290
Because we don't want
to just say, well,

3996
03:10:02,290 --> 03:10:03,610
we're waiting on the applicant.

3997
03:10:03,610 --> 03:10:06,230
Although oftentimes if you
go into the portal and you

3998
03:10:06,230 --> 03:10:09,470
when you really want to see what
that delay is, it's oftentimes

3999
03:10:09,470 --> 03:10:12,290
and I'll tell you time and time
again, when I've went in there,

4000
03:10:12,290 --> 03:10:14,030
I would say 9 times
out of 10, it's

4001
03:10:14,030 --> 03:10:16,120
that there's something
on the applicant side

4002
03:10:16,120 --> 03:10:17,500
that staff is waiting on.

4003
03:10:17,500 --> 03:10:20,660
So it's basically delaying
the permit from going through.

4004
03:10:20,660 --> 03:10:23,880


4005
03:10:23,880 --> 03:10:25,700
But just a comment here.

4006
03:10:25,700 --> 03:10:30,320
But if we go back to the
customer service and somebody

4007
03:10:30,320 --> 03:10:35,360
calls them and tells them that
this is why that does help, that

4008
03:10:35,360 --> 03:10:38,920
or should speed that along.

4009
03:10:38,920 --> 03:10:40,360
To get that document.

4010
03:10:40,360 --> 03:10:41,600
Makes sense.

4011
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:42,100
All right.

4012
03:10:42,100 --> 03:10:43,220
So we talked about February.

4013
03:10:43,220 --> 03:10:46,240
We talked a little bit
about the key insights here.

4014
03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:48,560
This is just another
representation

4015
03:10:48,560 --> 03:10:51,600
of the overall just on
a month side by side

4016
03:10:51,600 --> 03:10:54,180
comparison just for
intake and outflow.

4017
03:10:54,180 --> 03:10:55,940
So this was just meant
to give you that.

4018
03:10:55,940 --> 03:10:58,160
Overall summary.

4019
03:10:58,160 --> 03:11:01,720
The throughput did improve
despite continued strong demand.

4020
03:11:01,720 --> 03:11:04,760
You can see that here in terms
of the outflow of the Department

4021
03:11:04,760 --> 03:11:08,120
and the productivity
of the Department.

4022
03:11:08,120 --> 03:11:12,040
Obviously, we are working on,
permit stage tracking and more

4023
03:11:12,040 --> 03:11:13,920
work we're going to talk
about in a second in terms

4024
03:11:13,920 --> 03:11:19,000
of outlining the process
in granular level of detail

4025
03:11:19,000 --> 03:11:23,200
to strengthen our reporting out
to this group in the future.

4026
03:11:23,200 --> 03:11:25,933
And we've made some
changes within iWork also.

4027
03:11:25,933 --> 03:11:28,000
One of the things that you all
had asked for that we could not

4028
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:31,560
produce yet, but we are close
is getting from submittal

4029
03:11:31,560 --> 03:11:32,980
to when it goes to in review.

4030
03:11:32,980 --> 03:11:35,200
Now, we just mentioned
in elevation case

4031
03:11:35,200 --> 03:11:37,020
I was able to give
you that information.

4032
03:11:37,020 --> 03:11:38,140
There was three
of them in there.

4033
03:11:38,140 --> 03:11:41,320
But right now, what we had to
do to get this is implement

4034
03:11:41,320 --> 03:11:43,440
a fix in our system
to add a new field

4035
03:11:43,440 --> 03:11:46,000
to capture in review,
which wasn't being captured

4036
03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:47,460
before today or before now.

4037
03:11:47,460 --> 03:11:50,360
So you can imagine that many of
these things that you're seeing

4038
03:11:50,360 --> 03:11:53,360
here were generating work,
were going back and doing

4039
03:11:53,360 --> 03:11:57,120
in the system so that we can
properly track status and report

4040
03:11:57,120 --> 03:11:58,380
against these metrics.

4041
03:11:58,380 --> 03:11:59,780
So we're very close
to having that.

4042
03:11:59,780 --> 03:12:01,480
And hopefully next
month you'll start

4043
03:12:01,480 --> 03:12:03,340
to see not only
submittal to issuance,

4044
03:12:03,340 --> 03:12:05,220
but you'll see
submittal to in review.

4045
03:12:05,220 --> 03:12:09,060
So we can start to break up the
segments of this entire flow,

4046
03:12:09,060 --> 03:12:11,600
the life cycle of
the permit and 0

4047
03:12:11,600 --> 03:12:14,590
in on where we have things that
are going well and working well,

4048
03:12:14,590 --> 03:12:19,010
and areas that we need
to focus and improve.

4049
03:12:19,010 --> 03:12:21,050
All right.

4050
03:12:21,050 --> 03:12:21,630
All right.

4051
03:12:21,630 --> 03:12:24,810
So this is just giving you
an overall summary on all

4052
03:12:24,810 --> 03:12:26,570
of the metrics that you saw.

4053
03:12:26,570 --> 03:12:28,970
Clearly, we know we
have an intake problem

4054
03:12:28,970 --> 03:12:30,890
and we're going to
be focused there.

4055
03:12:30,890 --> 03:12:32,970
When we look at technology
improvements and we

4056
03:12:32,970 --> 03:12:34,850
look at some other tools.

4057
03:12:34,850 --> 03:12:40,370
But, really the signal so
far is having 224 up to 250,

4058
03:12:40,370 --> 03:12:42,050
the demand is still
high, but the team

4059
03:12:42,050 --> 03:12:43,750
is staying on top of it.

4060
03:12:43,750 --> 03:12:46,610
And the output from the teams
in terms of the issuance

4061
03:12:46,610 --> 03:12:51,490
is staying at pace or
outpacing the intake.

4062
03:12:51,490 --> 03:12:54,570
So that is a good sign
and a good signal for us.

4063
03:12:54,570 --> 03:12:57,870
We issued more 61 more
permits month over month.

4064
03:12:57,870 --> 03:13:00,010
So again the output
from the Department

4065
03:13:00,010 --> 03:13:02,010
is significantly more.

4066
03:13:02,010 --> 03:13:04,530
That's a good indicator of
operational changes and things

4067
03:13:04,530 --> 03:13:06,677
that are happening
within the Department.

4068
03:13:06,677 --> 03:13:08,410
All those improvements that
Laura just talked to you

4069
03:13:08,410 --> 03:13:10,290
all about are gaining
ground in terms

4070
03:13:10,290 --> 03:13:12,100
of the output and
the performance

4071
03:13:12,100 --> 03:13:13,500
that you're seeing
with what we're

4072
03:13:13,500 --> 03:13:15,500
delivering to the community.

4073
03:13:15,500 --> 03:13:18,420
The backlog pressure
I just mentioned,

4074
03:13:18,420 --> 03:13:20,220
we're hitting it
at we're issuing it

4075
03:13:20,220 --> 03:13:21,520
at a faster rate than intake.

4076
03:13:21,520 --> 03:13:25,860
So clearly that's important
to maintain our outflow.

4077
03:13:25,860 --> 03:13:28,860
And then the overall
effort is paying off just

4078
03:13:28,860 --> 03:13:30,080
because we have higher demand.

4079
03:13:30,080 --> 03:13:32,280
In February, we had less
days to get work out.

4080
03:13:32,280 --> 03:13:34,660
And we clearly still
significantly beat

4081
03:13:34,660 --> 03:13:37,300
the mark on January
in terms of delivery

4082
03:13:37,300 --> 03:13:41,300
for overall permit output.

4083
03:13:41,300 --> 03:13:43,660
So those are the
metrics for today.

4084
03:13:43,660 --> 03:13:46,860
One of the things I want to
say to you is, I did mention,

4085
03:13:46,860 --> 03:13:47,800
this is hard stuff.

4086
03:13:47,800 --> 03:13:50,260
This is difficult to get at.

4087
03:13:50,260 --> 03:13:53,180
And it's something that's
critically important.

4088
03:13:53,180 --> 03:13:54,840
It's all in development.

4089
03:13:54,840 --> 03:13:56,920
So we hope that you'll
give us guidance,

4090
03:13:56,920 --> 03:14:00,580
feedback around how you want to
start seeing this information

4091
03:14:00,580 --> 03:14:02,420
and what types of
information to change

4092
03:14:02,420 --> 03:14:05,500
or think about as
we're approaching this,

4093
03:14:05,500 --> 03:14:07,960
we are benchmarking
across many other cities.

4094
03:14:07,960 --> 03:14:10,670
I looked at least
15 other communities

4095
03:14:10,670 --> 03:14:12,750
to see how they were
doing their roll UPS

4096
03:14:12,750 --> 03:14:14,530
and how they were
reporting theirs out.

4097
03:14:14,530 --> 03:14:16,230
And of those 15
communities, they were

4098
03:14:16,230 --> 03:14:17,950
doing it 15 different ways.

4099
03:14:17,950 --> 03:14:21,950
So what I gleaned from that
is the most important thing

4100
03:14:21,950 --> 03:14:23,670
is that it resonates
with you all

4101
03:14:23,670 --> 03:14:24,930
resonates with the community.

4102
03:14:24,930 --> 03:14:28,870
And so we've got to get down to
ensuring that that's what we're

4103
03:14:28,870 --> 03:14:31,150
focused on in terms of
coming up and talking

4104
03:14:31,150 --> 03:14:32,830
to you all about metrics
or putting it in a report

4105
03:14:32,830 --> 03:14:34,610
or putting it on a
dashboard on our website.

4106
03:14:34,610 --> 03:14:37,670
So we are focused there.

4107
03:14:37,670 --> 03:14:39,890
The last few slides, I'm going
to go through pretty quickly.

4108
03:14:39,890 --> 03:14:41,450
You've seen most
of these before,

4109
03:14:41,450 --> 03:14:42,570
at least at a high level.

4110
03:14:42,570 --> 03:14:45,410
This was the last time
we went through this.

4111
03:14:45,410 --> 03:14:48,110
We talked about an operating
blueprint and a set of materials

4112
03:14:48,110 --> 03:14:49,750
that we're developing.

4113
03:14:49,750 --> 03:14:52,130
And so I'm going to take you
through each one just briefly.

4114
03:14:52,130 --> 03:14:53,990
So you have a feel
for what the work

4115
03:14:53,990 --> 03:14:55,230
that's been going
on because there's

4116
03:14:55,230 --> 03:14:57,990
a significant effort there.

4117
03:14:57,990 --> 03:14:59,670
So one of the things
that we've been building

4118
03:14:59,670 --> 03:15:02,190
is an operational service
blueprint, service map

4119
03:15:02,190 --> 03:15:04,110
for the permitting life cycle.

4120
03:15:04,110 --> 03:15:08,120
So essentially, we're
outlining an entire end to end

4121
03:15:08,120 --> 03:15:11,120
permit life cycle process.

4122
03:15:11,120 --> 03:15:15,020
We've working on coordinating
with all disciplines.

4123
03:15:15,020 --> 03:15:16,920
We've met with most of
them, but there are still

4124
03:15:16,920 --> 03:15:20,300
a few that we're working through
that we need to incorporate in.

4125
03:15:20,300 --> 03:15:21,700
But you can see the image.

4126
03:15:21,700 --> 03:15:24,400
It's a little bit
grainy, happy to share,

4127
03:15:24,400 --> 03:15:26,820
if you want to review
it in more detail,

4128
03:15:26,820 --> 03:15:28,180
happy to share it with you.

4129
03:15:28,180 --> 03:15:29,520
But it's basically
a process flow

4130
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:32,120
map showing the end to
end stage of permitting

4131
03:15:32,120 --> 03:15:33,280
as it moves through.

4132
03:15:33,280 --> 03:15:35,540
We're using staff workshops.

4133
03:15:35,540 --> 03:15:38,480
We're using surveys,
we're using the volunteer

4134
03:15:38,480 --> 03:15:39,307
surveys that were done.

4135
03:15:39,307 --> 03:15:40,340
We're getting ready to do that.

4136
03:15:40,340 --> 03:15:42,120
Contractor focus
group, all of that

4137
03:15:42,120 --> 03:15:44,840
is going to feed and
give us information

4138
03:15:44,840 --> 03:15:46,020
to feed this process.

4139
03:15:46,020 --> 03:15:49,200
And this will be
updated accordingly.

4140
03:15:49,200 --> 03:15:52,180
Obviously, we're looking at
in-depth reviews of the system,

4141
03:15:52,180 --> 03:15:54,320
the capabilities
of what we have,

4142
03:15:54,320 --> 03:15:57,000
how the systems are being used,
what tools that the teams are

4143
03:15:57,000 --> 03:15:59,460
using to accomplish the work.

4144
03:15:59,460 --> 03:16:03,480
So that's going into the inputs
for this diagramming as well.

4145
03:16:03,480 --> 03:16:06,320
Next up, we have to outline
the inspection process

4146
03:16:06,320 --> 03:16:07,940
that is not identified here.

4147
03:16:07,940 --> 03:16:11,300
So this takes us basically
through high level plan review.

4148
03:16:11,300 --> 03:16:12,980
We've got to get
inspections baked in here.

4149
03:16:12,980 --> 03:16:16,140
We don't have anything
from code baked in here.

4150
03:16:16,140 --> 03:16:19,600
So we've got a fair amount of
work to do in those two spaces.

4151
03:16:19,600 --> 03:16:21,480
We've got to finish
documenting the workflow

4152
03:16:21,480 --> 03:16:23,160
and the system touch points.

4153
03:16:23,160 --> 03:16:24,900
So where we're touching
the technology,

4154
03:16:24,900 --> 03:16:26,700
what technology as I
mentioned is being used.

4155
03:16:26,700 --> 03:16:27,520
What tool.

4156
03:16:27,520 --> 03:16:29,840
For example, I know
scheduling for inspections

4157
03:16:29,840 --> 03:16:31,620
being done outside of the tool.

4158
03:16:31,620 --> 03:16:33,180
They're using
Excel spreadsheets,

4159
03:16:33,180 --> 03:16:34,780
they're using Calendly.

4160
03:16:34,780 --> 03:16:37,480
There's other tools that are at
play that we need to document

4161
03:16:37,480 --> 03:16:39,440
and make sure that we're
incorporating in terms of when

4162
03:16:39,440 --> 03:16:42,400
we're thinking about replacing
this, how might we go about that

4163
03:16:42,400 --> 03:16:47,200
and where do we need
to focus our efforts.

4164
03:16:47,200 --> 03:16:49,000
I think we talked a
little bit about that.

4165
03:16:49,000 --> 03:16:50,980
I don't know that I need to
go into why this matters.

4166
03:16:50,980 --> 03:16:52,940
I think everybody gets why
this stuff's important.

4167
03:16:52,940 --> 03:16:58,280
So I think I'll let this
one go for the sake of time.

4168
03:16:58,280 --> 03:16:58,780
All right.

4169
03:16:58,780 --> 03:17:00,713
I think this one was kind of
an important one to call out.

4170
03:17:00,713 --> 03:17:02,200
I mentioned this
pain point register

4171
03:17:02,200 --> 03:17:03,620
the last time we got together.

4172
03:17:03,620 --> 03:17:07,630
What I didn't share with
you it is still in progress,

4173
03:17:07,630 --> 03:17:11,650
but so far to date, we have 46
items of pain points between all

4174
03:17:11,650 --> 03:17:13,650
of the various
departments and feedback

4175
03:17:13,650 --> 03:17:17,250
that we've ingested or
taken in this process.

4176
03:17:17,250 --> 03:17:21,890
And 67% of those are gaps
in technology we have that

4177
03:17:21,890 --> 03:17:24,530
cannot be fulfilled
with the solution

4178
03:17:24,530 --> 03:17:26,090
that we have in place today.

4179
03:17:26,090 --> 03:17:28,890
That's not really acceptable.

4180
03:17:28,890 --> 03:17:31,150
I mean, fundamentally,
that's a pretty big gap.

4181
03:17:31,150 --> 03:17:36,370
Significant mess and frankly,
from delivering on what

4182
03:17:36,370 --> 03:17:37,350
we need to be able to do.

4183
03:17:37,350 --> 03:17:39,310
I'm not blaming all
of it on technology,

4184
03:17:39,310 --> 03:17:42,050
because clearly technology
is not the silver bullet

4185
03:17:42,050 --> 03:17:44,330
for solving everyone's
problems, but a lot

4186
03:17:44,330 --> 03:17:46,790
of the operational things that
they're baking in and doing now,

4187
03:17:46,790 --> 03:17:49,070
we need to support and
augment with technology.

4188
03:17:49,070 --> 03:17:52,610


4189
03:17:52,610 --> 03:17:54,530
And then this is another
thing that I think is

4190
03:17:54,530 --> 03:17:55,910
going to be gold for all of us.

4191
03:17:55,910 --> 03:17:57,390
It's going to serve
a lot of purposes.

4192
03:17:57,390 --> 03:17:59,050
So we are right now in
the middle of building out

4193
03:17:59,050 --> 03:18:01,910
an entire permit matrix
that's cataloging,

4194
03:18:01,910 --> 03:18:05,500
cataloging over 64 for
permit types that's

4195
03:18:05,500 --> 03:18:08,300
going through every single
step of that permit type

4196
03:18:08,300 --> 03:18:10,980
in terms of what
documentation is required

4197
03:18:10,980 --> 03:18:12,780
for that type of permit.

4198
03:18:12,780 --> 03:18:16,380
What compliance obligations
are there as a result

4199
03:18:16,380 --> 03:18:18,380
for that type of permit.

4200
03:18:18,380 --> 03:18:21,220
What kind of inspections and
the order of those inspections

4201
03:18:21,220 --> 03:18:22,480
for that type of permit.

4202
03:18:22,480 --> 03:18:23,940
What kind of
reviews are required

4203
03:18:23,940 --> 03:18:25,280
for that type of permit.

4204
03:18:25,280 --> 03:18:27,580
So you can imagine, there's
a lot of detail going

4205
03:18:27,580 --> 03:18:29,340
into this permit
matrix, but this

4206
03:18:29,340 --> 03:18:32,900
is going to answer and
basically help us with our RFP.

4207
03:18:32,900 --> 03:18:35,173
It's going to help us for
any changes to the system.

4208
03:18:35,173 --> 03:18:36,540
It's going to help us
on the website when

4209
03:18:36,540 --> 03:18:40,460
we need to communicate
to you all about,

4210
03:18:40,460 --> 03:18:43,260
processes and processes
that the community

4211
03:18:43,260 --> 03:18:46,820
needs to use for submitting
their application.

4212
03:18:46,820 --> 03:18:49,480
It's going to help
training new employees,

4213
03:18:49,480 --> 03:18:51,660
because we're going to have
this artifact that's going to be

4214
03:18:51,660 --> 03:18:53,060
able to show them, and
they're going to be

4215
03:18:53,060 --> 03:18:54,460
able to use it for reference.

4216
03:18:54,460 --> 03:18:57,080
So it's going to solve
a lot of things for us,

4217
03:18:57,080 --> 03:18:59,380
and it's taking a lot of
time, but I think it's going

4218
03:18:59,380 --> 03:19:01,820
to be worth its weight in gold.

4219
03:19:01,820 --> 03:19:03,910
Clearly it helps us
in a number of ways

4220
03:19:03,910 --> 03:19:05,490
that I think you guys
probably understand,

4221
03:19:05,490 --> 03:19:07,310
but we're standardizing
requirements

4222
03:19:07,310 --> 03:19:08,370
across the departments.

4223
03:19:08,370 --> 03:19:09,710
It's going to help
everybody understand

4224
03:19:09,710 --> 03:19:10,770
what those requirements are.

4225
03:19:10,770 --> 03:19:12,990
It's going to be setting clear
expectations for the community

4226
03:19:12,990 --> 03:19:16,190
of what to expect to help lay
out timelines for delivery

4227
03:19:16,190 --> 03:19:17,590
on these things.

4228
03:19:17,590 --> 03:19:19,270
Some things are more
complex, and hopefully this

4229
03:19:19,270 --> 03:19:21,750
is going to help us
show the clarity around

4230
03:19:21,750 --> 03:19:24,790
what makes it complex and how
that's different from something

4231
03:19:24,790 --> 03:19:26,910
that's quick and easy.

4232
03:19:26,910 --> 03:19:28,950
And so here's just
a quick sample.

4233
03:19:28,950 --> 03:19:30,210
This is a roll up.

4234
03:19:30,210 --> 03:19:31,750
It's certainly not
a level of detail

4235
03:19:31,750 --> 03:19:32,890
that we have in the document.

4236
03:19:32,890 --> 03:19:35,310
But I just wanted to give
you an idea of how that's

4237
03:19:35,310 --> 03:19:37,830
kind of coming together
in terms of a permit type,

4238
03:19:37,830 --> 03:19:39,590
walking through the
application requirements

4239
03:19:39,590 --> 03:19:42,030
on that permit type, what
the plans and documents that

4240
03:19:42,030 --> 03:19:44,830
are required to be submitted
with that package, all

4241
03:19:44,830 --> 03:19:47,870
those inspections that I
just mentioned, and so on.

4242
03:19:47,870 --> 03:19:50,250
So this one's really
a big, big win for us.

4243
03:19:50,250 --> 03:19:52,350
And it's taking
quite a bit of time

4244
03:19:52,350 --> 03:19:54,710
along with that permit
service map that you saw.

4245
03:19:54,710 --> 03:19:57,710
But those are significantly
important as we

4246
03:19:57,710 --> 03:20:02,230
go forward from a strategic
planning standpoint.

4247
03:20:02,230 --> 03:20:03,130
I think that's it.

4248
03:20:03,130 --> 03:20:05,790


4249
03:20:05,790 --> 03:20:08,530
Again, I cannot thank
Candace and her team enough.

4250
03:20:08,530 --> 03:20:11,590
But I will say that
it's even helping.

4251
03:20:11,590 --> 03:20:14,730
We've been interviewing for
plans examiners, inspectors.

4252
03:20:14,730 --> 03:20:18,710
And so if we weren't paying
attention to this data

4253
03:20:18,710 --> 03:20:22,430
and realizing that we have
so many for example, MEPs,

4254
03:20:22,430 --> 03:20:24,570
well, when you're interviewing,
then an inspector,

4255
03:20:24,570 --> 03:20:26,990
you want to make sure that they
have mechanical and plumbing.

4256
03:20:26,990 --> 03:20:29,350
So these things
are again informing

4257
03:20:29,350 --> 03:20:32,810
just our work operations and
just having the discussions.

4258
03:20:32,810 --> 03:20:34,550
Some of them were tough
at times because if you

4259
03:20:34,550 --> 03:20:36,650
ask a permit tech, how
they process a permit,

4260
03:20:36,650 --> 03:20:37,930
they'll tell you three steps.

4261
03:20:37,930 --> 03:20:40,330
If Candace asks them
again and again,

4262
03:20:40,330 --> 03:20:42,430
it turns out it's
really 18 steps.

4263
03:20:42,430 --> 03:20:44,050
OK, what is the contractor.

4264
03:20:44,050 --> 03:20:45,970
What is the applicant
doing at this point.

4265
03:20:45,970 --> 03:20:47,610
So it's been quite a process.

4266
03:20:47,610 --> 03:20:49,510
But again, just so
thankful and again

4267
03:20:49,510 --> 03:20:50,910
very appreciative
of just the help

4268
03:20:50,910 --> 03:20:53,630
that it's given
us along the way.

4269
03:20:53,630 --> 03:20:55,710
So next steps we're
going to continue working

4270
03:20:55,710 --> 03:20:57,730
with innovation and technology.

4271
03:20:57,730 --> 03:21:00,480
We're going to continue to
have those regular coordination

4272
03:21:00,480 --> 03:21:02,120
meetings with the
other departments

4273
03:21:02,120 --> 03:21:05,560
and the interdisciplinary group
that touches the permit process.

4274
03:21:05,560 --> 03:21:08,360
We're hosting the building
and permitting open house

4275
03:21:08,360 --> 03:21:11,440
this Thursday, and then
we're going to also have

4276
03:21:11,440 --> 03:21:13,340
the contractor focus group.

4277
03:21:13,340 --> 03:21:14,820
I didn't have that
on the screen.

4278
03:21:14,820 --> 03:21:18,200
And then we'll be coming back
to you in June, around the June

4279
03:21:18,200 --> 03:21:21,280
time frame with another update.

4280
03:21:21,280 --> 03:21:27,140
I'll be happy to answer
any questions Mr. Marriott.

4281
03:21:27,140 --> 03:21:28,920
I've got a quick
question for you, Laura.

4282
03:21:28,920 --> 03:21:32,140
The contractor focus
group on April 8.

4283
03:21:32,140 --> 03:21:34,800
Is that an invitation only
or is that any contractors

4284
03:21:34,800 --> 03:21:36,200
that want to be involved.

4285
03:21:36,200 --> 03:21:37,860
That is an invitation only.

4286
03:21:37,860 --> 03:21:39,440
And so what we did
for that one is we

4287
03:21:39,440 --> 03:21:42,600
took the top 20 contractors
with the most activity

4288
03:21:42,600 --> 03:21:44,580
and work going on currently.

4289
03:21:44,580 --> 03:21:47,720
And so we did an invite
only because we're

4290
03:21:47,720 --> 03:21:49,960
going to dive into
the same questions

4291
03:21:49,960 --> 03:21:51,580
that we asked the volunteers.

4292
03:21:51,580 --> 03:21:53,740
Similar format a
little bit differently,

4293
03:21:53,740 --> 03:21:56,220
but we really want to have
a deeper dive discussion.

4294
03:21:56,220 --> 03:21:58,930
And then we're also going
to Candace will be there

4295
03:21:58,930 --> 03:22:01,250
to go through the mapping.

4296
03:22:01,250 --> 03:22:05,330
So again, we want to know from
them if we're missing anything.

4297
03:22:05,330 --> 03:22:07,910
Subsequent to that,
we are scheduling.

4298
03:22:07,910 --> 03:22:09,630
I do not have the first date.

4299
03:22:09,630 --> 03:22:13,110
We tentatively set April 28,
but don't hold me to that.

4300
03:22:13,110 --> 03:22:17,170
But we are going to be holding
a series of contractor coffees

4301
03:22:17,170 --> 03:22:19,350
and that will be open to anyone.

4302
03:22:19,350 --> 03:22:22,190
And that will be more
of just topic related.

4303
03:22:22,190 --> 03:22:24,610
So we have a series
of different topics

4304
03:22:24,610 --> 03:22:26,270
that have came up over and over.

4305
03:22:26,270 --> 03:22:28,530
Like for example, we
might have one that's just

4306
03:22:28,530 --> 03:22:30,150
seawalls all about seawalls.

4307
03:22:30,150 --> 03:22:33,370
And so keep a heads up for
that because that will be

4308
03:22:33,370 --> 03:22:35,550
open again to all contractors.

4309
03:22:35,550 --> 03:22:37,730
And one of the things
that we heard actually

4310
03:22:37,730 --> 03:22:39,850
from the internal
stakeholder engagement

4311
03:22:39,850 --> 03:22:44,230
was and from the contractors
from this original invite out,

4312
03:22:44,230 --> 03:22:46,810
is that a lot of them
aren't actually the ones

4313
03:22:46,810 --> 03:22:49,170
the contractor themselves
aren't the ones that are

4314
03:22:49,170 --> 03:22:50,470
coming into the front counter.

4315
03:22:50,470 --> 03:22:53,370
They have a permit
tech team sometimes

4316
03:22:53,370 --> 03:22:54,390
that are working for them.

4317
03:22:54,390 --> 03:22:56,900
So we also are opening
up to those individuals.

4318
03:22:56,900 --> 03:22:59,340
So the contractor can
come and bring their staff

4319
03:22:59,340 --> 03:23:00,200
or send someone.

4320
03:23:00,200 --> 03:23:03,620
Because again, we've realized
that oftentimes, they

4321
03:23:03,620 --> 03:23:05,980
may be on the site and not
the one coming into our office

4322
03:23:05,980 --> 03:23:08,700
and working with us on
the actual application.

4323
03:23:08,700 --> 03:23:09,640
Thank you very much.

4324
03:23:09,640 --> 03:23:12,020
And thank you both for I
mean, you guys have clearly

4325
03:23:12,020 --> 03:23:13,700
done so much work
on this, and I think

4326
03:23:13,700 --> 03:23:16,940
there have been such tremendous
improvement in a pretty

4327
03:23:16,940 --> 03:23:18,240
short amount of time.

4328
03:23:18,240 --> 03:23:20,380
And I hope everybody
on your team

4329
03:23:20,380 --> 03:23:23,860
feels like they're part of
the team that's on their way

4330
03:23:23,860 --> 03:23:24,840
to winning the Super Bowl.

4331
03:23:24,840 --> 03:23:27,880
Because I think we've
got a great plan going.

4332
03:23:27,880 --> 03:23:29,000
And thank you, Candace.

4333
03:23:29,000 --> 03:23:31,340
I just can't even believe
how lucky we are to have

4334
03:23:31,340 --> 03:23:35,300
you here to do all this for us.

4335
03:23:35,300 --> 03:23:36,340
Commissioner Robinson.

4336
03:23:36,340 --> 03:23:37,780
I had a couple questions.

4337
03:23:37,780 --> 03:23:46,060
Under the 90 day roadmap,
completed actions, page 112.

4338
03:23:46,060 --> 03:23:49,000
Eligible type of projects
for same day permits.

4339
03:23:49,000 --> 03:23:52,140
Do we have that list.

4340
03:23:52,140 --> 03:23:54,860
Since it's completed.

4341
03:23:54,860 --> 03:23:58,110
And where does that list live.

4342
03:23:58,110 --> 03:24:00,350
So no, I. So those
are the ones that

4343
03:24:00,350 --> 03:24:02,670
are going to be on the we're
going to put those front

4344
03:24:02,670 --> 03:24:04,050
and center for typical.

4345
03:24:04,050 --> 03:24:05,730
But that information
has not been added.

4346
03:24:05,730 --> 03:24:10,510
I did have it on the slide, but
I didn't want to just throw that

4347
03:24:10,510 --> 03:24:12,270
up there because there needs
to be a little bit more

4348
03:24:12,270 --> 03:24:13,550
of a disclaimer.

4349
03:24:13,550 --> 03:24:16,030
I think in more
information, as far as

4350
03:24:16,030 --> 03:24:21,130
why some equal change outs would
be OK and same day, but not all.

4351
03:24:21,130 --> 03:24:23,650
So we just want to add a
little bit more information.

4352
03:24:23,650 --> 03:24:29,150
And that is coming with an
update to the fences on here.

4353
03:24:29,150 --> 03:24:31,310
No, they are not.

4354
03:24:31,310 --> 03:24:35,870
How long do fences take
to get a permit for.

4355
03:24:35,870 --> 03:24:38,370
I can tell you how
long on average.

4356
03:24:38,370 --> 03:24:40,630
Hey we have that data again.

4357
03:24:40,630 --> 03:24:43,130
Often yeah, often.

4358
03:24:43,130 --> 03:24:47,350
Yeah, often because of a
site plan being required

4359
03:24:47,350 --> 03:24:49,010
or survey being required.

4360
03:24:49,010 --> 03:24:51,290
And I think that
may be part of it,

4361
03:24:51,290 --> 03:24:53,290
that it wouldn't be same day.

4362
03:24:53,290 --> 03:24:55,650
Not to say that it can't be OK.

4363
03:24:55,650 --> 03:24:58,250
Yeah, that's part of
our local code, right.

4364
03:24:58,250 --> 03:25:01,010
So you could review
that and change it,

4365
03:25:01,010 --> 03:25:03,490
but it requires that
kind of permitting.

4366
03:25:03,490 --> 03:25:05,230
Well, a survey is
kind of obvious

4367
03:25:05,230 --> 03:25:07,970
because you don't want to put
it on your neighbor's yard.

4368
03:25:07,970 --> 03:25:11,590
I mean, that would be
something that's kind of like.

4369
03:25:11,590 --> 03:25:15,450
And I would think if
you under a fence,

4370
03:25:15,450 --> 03:25:19,430
you would say you need a survey
and under particular items

4371
03:25:19,430 --> 03:25:21,650
you need a survey for.

4372
03:25:21,650 --> 03:25:25,070
And then the
streamlined guidance

4373
03:25:25,070 --> 03:25:28,110
and outreach, the published
clear instructions

4374
03:25:28,110 --> 03:25:30,610
and eligibility criteria.

4375
03:25:30,610 --> 03:25:34,390
Residents easily identify
projects suitable for same day

4376
03:25:34,390 --> 03:25:35,430
processing.

4377
03:25:35,430 --> 03:25:39,110
Where is that as well.

4378
03:25:39,110 --> 03:25:43,470
So that is currently we
have updated the site.

4379
03:25:43,470 --> 03:25:47,550
If you go to our permit,
permits, applications and forms

4380
03:25:47,550 --> 03:25:50,350
I believe is the page
title for that one where

4381
03:25:50,350 --> 03:25:53,520
it outlines the permit process.

4382
03:25:53,520 --> 03:25:57,760
It will link you out to the
regulatory timelines that 30 day

4383
03:25:57,760 --> 03:26:00,360
the 10 day for a review.

4384
03:26:00,360 --> 03:26:03,800
It goes straight to the
statutory requirements.

4385
03:26:03,800 --> 03:26:05,380
You're saying this
is on the website.

4386
03:26:05,380 --> 03:26:12,920
Yes OK.

4387
03:26:12,920 --> 03:26:15,960
And then.

4388
03:26:15,960 --> 03:26:18,640
Did we establish SOP
as verbal communication

4389
03:26:18,640 --> 03:26:27,360
phone call prior to any denial
for any denial of permits.

4390
03:26:27,360 --> 03:26:28,760
No, we have not.

4391
03:26:28,760 --> 03:26:38,320
And The completed application.

4392
03:26:38,320 --> 03:26:39,920
Completed actions.

4393
03:26:39,920 --> 03:26:41,460
When are those completed.

4394
03:26:41,460 --> 03:26:45,040
As of this last month.

4395
03:26:45,040 --> 03:26:47,840
Two weeks ago today for which.

4396
03:26:47,840 --> 03:26:51,770
For all of these that
say the completed actions

4397
03:26:51,770 --> 03:26:54,990
a series of them had been
already in the works,

4398
03:26:54,990 --> 03:26:57,290
even prior to us
technically starting

4399
03:26:57,290 --> 03:27:00,490
the January 1
countdown, and then some

4400
03:27:00,490 --> 03:27:02,710
as recent as the last website.

4401
03:27:02,710 --> 03:27:04,810
That's why I'm a little bit
hesitant to say yes, it's

4402
03:27:04,810 --> 03:27:06,170
up there and change
because we just

4403
03:27:06,170 --> 03:27:08,990
made it through this last
round of website updates,

4404
03:27:08,990 --> 03:27:11,590
but late last week.

4405
03:27:11,590 --> 03:27:17,890
So they've been happening
since I believe that we

4406
03:27:17,890 --> 03:27:22,850
first had these series
of progress action items

4407
03:27:22,850 --> 03:27:24,690
in late December.

4408
03:27:24,690 --> 03:27:27,890
And again, a few of those we
were already kind of working on

4409
03:27:27,890 --> 03:27:30,810
in a different way,
but wasn't really

4410
03:27:30,810 --> 03:27:34,050
captured in this same format.

4411
03:27:34,050 --> 03:27:36,090
So we do have just
to be clear, we

4412
03:27:36,090 --> 03:27:37,550
have a complete list of these.

4413
03:27:37,550 --> 03:27:41,490
And there are at minimum like
this was done January 20 26th

4414
03:27:41,490 --> 03:27:44,750
February, so if you do have
dates on all of this stuff,

4415
03:27:44,750 --> 03:27:46,690
I think it's just not here.

4416
03:27:46,690 --> 03:27:49,300
But yeah, we do have
dates to that list

4417
03:27:49,300 --> 03:27:52,640
as far as I'm just
looking at a money.

4418
03:27:52,640 --> 03:27:56,040
A money thing forerunner did.

4419
03:27:56,040 --> 03:27:58,700
Did forerunner cost
us money, or did we

4420
03:27:58,700 --> 03:28:00,620
have to purchase
forerunner software

4421
03:28:00,620 --> 03:28:04,340
or is that
reimbursable from FEMA.

4422
03:28:04,340 --> 03:28:06,020
It cost us.

4423
03:28:06,020 --> 03:28:08,300
So we purchased forerunner.

4424
03:28:08,300 --> 03:28:11,020
Yes thank you.

4425
03:28:11,020 --> 03:28:15,060
Yeah so we actually
purchased forerunner

4426
03:28:15,060 --> 03:28:17,100
I can't answer the
question about whether

4427
03:28:17,100 --> 03:28:20,560
or it's potentially
reimbursable from FEMA.

4428
03:28:20,560 --> 03:28:22,880
We can certainly
discuss that internally.

4429
03:28:22,880 --> 03:28:25,140
To my knowledge, there has
not been anything specific

4430
03:28:25,140 --> 03:28:27,200
shared with me to pursue that.

4431
03:28:27,200 --> 03:28:31,220
But we certainly can get you an
answer on if that's eligible.

4432
03:28:31,220 --> 03:28:32,660
I'm just in.

4433
03:28:32,660 --> 03:28:37,380
I see new portal software
on this for RFPs,

4434
03:28:37,380 --> 03:28:41,020
and I just know how much we've
spent already on software.

4435
03:28:41,020 --> 03:28:44,520
And I'm just concerned
we're not in blue skies.

4436
03:28:44,520 --> 03:28:47,580
We're still in gray skies,
especially financially

4437
03:28:47,580 --> 03:28:50,340
and just want to find out.

4438
03:28:50,340 --> 03:28:53,820
Can we work with what we
have until we get to a point

4439
03:28:53,820 --> 03:28:55,980
where getting close
to blue skies.

4440
03:28:55,980 --> 03:28:58,300
So 100% I think
what you're seeing

4441
03:28:58,300 --> 03:29:00,740
is a result of us
doing just that.

4442
03:29:00,740 --> 03:29:03,040
We are really trying to
work with what we have,

4443
03:29:03,040 --> 03:29:06,260
make any fundamental changes
that we can within our work.

4444
03:29:06,260 --> 03:29:07,720
We are looking at.

4445
03:29:07,720 --> 03:29:09,020
One of the things
on that list you saw

4446
03:29:09,020 --> 03:29:10,820
was go out and look,
if there's an AI tool

4447
03:29:10,820 --> 03:29:13,420
to augment AI work that maybe
isn't a full replacement

4448
03:29:13,420 --> 03:29:15,940
to go out and get an entire
new permitting system

4449
03:29:15,940 --> 03:29:17,620
today, tomorrow or next month.

4450
03:29:17,620 --> 03:29:21,100
But what tools might be out
there that aren't that can still

4451
03:29:21,100 --> 03:29:24,260
augment and we can gain
significant efficiency

4452
03:29:24,260 --> 03:29:28,200
or close some of those 67% gaps
in the software that we have.

4453
03:29:28,200 --> 03:29:29,920
So we are absolutely doing that.

4454
03:29:29,920 --> 03:29:32,700
I think the ask of us
was to come together

4455
03:29:32,700 --> 03:29:36,060
with all of this documentation
and be ready for an RFP by maybe

4456
03:29:36,060 --> 03:29:39,020
June was the deadline that
we were given and discussed

4457
03:29:39,020 --> 03:29:40,320
in some prior commission.

4458
03:29:40,320 --> 03:29:42,720
And so we're still targeting
the potential to do that.

4459
03:29:42,720 --> 03:29:44,700
But that's certainly going
to be up for discussion

4460
03:29:44,700 --> 03:29:46,320
in terms of how that plays out.

4461
03:29:46,320 --> 03:29:48,770
I would just be concerned
that it all works together.

4462
03:29:48,770 --> 03:29:51,310
Understood I think we've had a
lot of stuff that hasn't worked

4463
03:29:51,310 --> 03:29:54,150
together in the past, and
we've had to abandon it

4464
03:29:54,150 --> 03:29:57,870
and then paid a lot of
money for new software.

4465
03:29:57,870 --> 03:30:00,510
You are not wrong, and we
are spending a lot of time

4466
03:30:00,510 --> 03:30:02,050
this time to do
our due diligence.

4467
03:30:02,050 --> 03:30:05,370
So that does not happen to
us again specifically here.

4468
03:30:05,370 --> 03:30:09,050
I appreciate what you've gotten
so far with what we have.

4469
03:30:09,050 --> 03:30:12,310
But, again, I'm
concerned about that,

4470
03:30:12,310 --> 03:30:14,550
about being able to work with
what we have until we can get

4471
03:30:14,550 --> 03:30:18,430
to a point where we're at
Blue skies or close to it

4472
03:30:18,430 --> 03:30:19,670
or fair concern.

4473
03:30:19,670 --> 03:30:20,930
Light blue or whatever.

4474
03:30:20,930 --> 03:30:22,270
Yeah right.

4475
03:30:22,270 --> 03:30:23,670
Thank you.

4476
03:30:23,670 --> 03:30:25,650
Let me see if I put
some red notes in here.

4477
03:30:25,650 --> 03:30:27,410
So I'll see if
there's another one.

4478
03:30:27,410 --> 03:30:29,170
I think that might
have been the last.

4479
03:30:29,170 --> 03:30:29,850
That was it.

4480
03:30:29,850 --> 03:30:30,570
Thank you.

4481
03:30:30,570 --> 03:30:32,710
Thank you, Commissioner Causey.

4482
03:30:32,710 --> 03:30:35,430
Yeah wonderful of
everything that's

4483
03:30:35,430 --> 03:30:37,870
going on here in the
focus on this big pain

4484
03:30:37,870 --> 03:30:39,950
point for the
community, and it's

4485
03:30:39,950 --> 03:30:42,370
going to be great coming
out the other side of this,

4486
03:30:42,370 --> 03:30:44,550
I really think.

4487
03:30:44,550 --> 03:30:46,120
A couple of questions is.

4488
03:30:46,120 --> 03:30:47,120
Is Aye.

4489
03:30:47,120 --> 03:30:49,080
Commissioner Robinson,
asking about the phone

4490
03:30:49,080 --> 03:30:50,420
call before denials.

4491
03:30:50,420 --> 03:30:52,320
Is that a thing.

4492
03:30:52,320 --> 03:30:57,320
Is there a complication with
that you could tell us about or.

4493
03:30:57,320 --> 03:31:00,840
So honestly, it's something that
we would like to discuss more

4494
03:31:00,840 --> 03:31:04,380
in particular at the contractor
focus group in talking,

4495
03:31:04,380 --> 03:31:07,680
I think that when that
recommendation was made,

4496
03:31:07,680 --> 03:31:10,280
we kind of talked
about it with staff

4497
03:31:10,280 --> 03:31:12,200
as far as how that would look.

4498
03:31:12,200 --> 03:31:17,140
And potentially we used not
the worst case scenario,

4499
03:31:17,140 --> 03:31:21,320
but the scenario of
contractor that's getting

4500
03:31:21,320 --> 03:31:22,980
the call while on the job site.

4501
03:31:22,980 --> 03:31:27,000
Your application has been denied
why they don't have a computer

4502
03:31:27,000 --> 03:31:28,620
in front of them or anything.

4503
03:31:28,620 --> 03:31:31,520
And talking through that, it
could cause more frustration

4504
03:31:31,520 --> 03:31:33,140
potentially than help.

4505
03:31:33,140 --> 03:31:37,340
And so what we've done, because
we did hear you loud and clear,

4506
03:31:37,340 --> 03:31:39,720
is that we've tried to
implement through again

4507
03:31:39,720 --> 03:31:42,360
that single point of contact,
letting the permit techs

4508
03:31:42,360 --> 03:31:45,050
use their own discretion
because they're really now

4509
03:31:45,050 --> 03:31:47,850
that liaison for the applicant.

4510
03:31:47,850 --> 03:31:50,130
And they should really
be able to tell,

4511
03:31:50,130 --> 03:31:51,770
whether it's a
denial or approval

4512
03:31:51,770 --> 03:31:55,930
or maybe hold on, we need this
and have that open dialogue

4513
03:31:55,930 --> 03:31:56,790
and be ahead of it.

4514
03:31:56,790 --> 03:32:01,210
So we've encouraged that and
also emphasize that especially

4515
03:32:01,210 --> 03:32:02,810
for a denial, because
that's usually

4516
03:32:02,810 --> 03:32:07,410
where we hear the most about it
that where it makes sense to not

4517
03:32:07,410 --> 03:32:10,730
only let if it's a contractor,
but also let the homeowner

4518
03:32:10,730 --> 03:32:11,590
know as well.

4519
03:32:11,590 --> 03:32:14,910
So we are leaving it up to
them at their discretion.

4520
03:32:14,910 --> 03:32:16,610
We have not mandated
that if it's

4521
03:32:16,610 --> 03:32:18,870
a denial that a call goes out.

4522
03:32:18,870 --> 03:32:22,050
But again, we intended to bring
that up with the contractor

4523
03:32:22,050 --> 03:32:24,730
focus group because I
could be completely wrong

4524
03:32:24,730 --> 03:32:28,930
or our team as we've discussed
is that could be instead

4525
03:32:28,930 --> 03:32:33,530
very well received, but we just
want to make sure that we just

4526
03:32:33,530 --> 03:32:37,890
don't want to do it and
then make it one of the SOPs

4527
03:32:37,890 --> 03:32:40,310
now and then have
it potentially.

4528
03:32:40,310 --> 03:32:43,060
There was some concern that it
could create more frustration

4529
03:32:43,060 --> 03:32:46,100
and frankly, just the time
involved, whether we're not

4530
03:32:46,100 --> 03:32:49,080
making a call right now,
if it's approved or denied,

4531
03:32:49,080 --> 03:32:50,920
it's all through the
portal in the system.

4532
03:32:50,920 --> 03:32:54,780
And so that's the
current process.

4533
03:32:54,780 --> 03:32:55,520
That's good.

4534
03:32:55,520 --> 03:32:58,100
And then so the last
thing is, have we

4535
03:32:58,100 --> 03:33:02,300
identified any ways
to streamline our code

4536
03:33:02,300 --> 03:33:05,140
through this evolution.

4537
03:33:05,140 --> 03:33:08,280
So you all have thankfully
done a number of things.

4538
03:33:08,280 --> 03:33:12,440
So far to we'll call
it modify, tweak,

4539
03:33:12,440 --> 03:33:17,300
respond to the ever
changing permitting world

4540
03:33:17,300 --> 03:33:19,340
that we're living
in, such as what

4541
03:33:19,340 --> 03:33:22,680
you all talked about a couple
weeks ago with the seawalls.

4542
03:33:22,680 --> 03:33:24,780
We also had
remember, the raising

4543
03:33:24,780 --> 03:33:27,120
of the mechanical
equipment and all of that.

4544
03:33:27,120 --> 03:33:28,120
That was a big one.

4545
03:33:28,120 --> 03:33:30,220
So you've got our
local code and then

4546
03:33:30,220 --> 03:33:32,880
we've got the building code,
which we can't really touch.

4547
03:33:32,880 --> 03:33:37,380
But we've been actually we're
fortunate enough that our Deputy

4548
03:33:37,380 --> 03:33:40,260
building official is
actually on the he's

4549
03:33:40,260 --> 03:33:44,690
on the committee for the Florida
building code 2027 update.

4550
03:33:44,690 --> 03:33:48,270
And so a lot of what we've
seen and what we've been

4551
03:33:48,270 --> 03:33:51,210
experiencing, explained them.

4552
03:33:51,210 --> 03:33:53,870
It's absolutely very important
that not that there's

4553
03:33:53,870 --> 03:33:57,030
any guarantee, but that we
need to as a barrier island

4554
03:33:57,030 --> 03:33:59,270
community, be represented
accordingly for all

4555
03:33:59,270 --> 03:34:02,010
these challenges that we've
seen, because some of it,

4556
03:34:02,010 --> 03:34:03,370
to your point, can be changed.

4557
03:34:03,370 --> 03:34:06,130
It's easy if it's our LDC and
we can make a minor tweak.

4558
03:34:06,130 --> 03:34:10,010
But what we found is the most
challenging ones that we can't.

4559
03:34:10,010 --> 03:34:16,070
Our hands are tied because
it's either the FBC or FEMA.

4560
03:34:16,070 --> 03:34:19,670
Yeah just the differences
between the different beach

4561
03:34:19,670 --> 03:34:23,710
cities, for example, here,
if we have certain codes

4562
03:34:23,710 --> 03:34:27,470
that contractors are seeing
are different than other places

4563
03:34:27,470 --> 03:34:28,490
where they're working.

4564
03:34:28,490 --> 03:34:31,110


4565
03:34:31,110 --> 03:34:35,510
So we had it's interesting
because we've only had one group

4566
03:34:35,510 --> 03:34:38,390
meeting so far, but we have
a group of building officials

4567
03:34:38,390 --> 03:34:39,900
from the barrier islands.

4568
03:34:39,900 --> 03:34:41,700
It was from Madeira,
Treasure Island,

4569
03:34:41,700 --> 03:34:45,100
Redington, Indian Shores.

4570
03:34:45,100 --> 03:34:49,940
We all met and basically it was
a therapeutic meeting, just no.

4571
03:34:49,940 --> 03:34:52,120
But it was really to
talk about these things

4572
03:34:52,120 --> 03:34:54,180
because we're all
experiencing the same things.

4573
03:34:54,180 --> 03:34:57,760
And what we found is we're so
quick to hear that, well, you're

4574
03:34:57,760 --> 03:35:00,160
allowed to do whatever
in TI or they'll let

4575
03:35:00,160 --> 03:35:02,220
you raise it up, only two feet.

4576
03:35:02,220 --> 03:35:08,840
And so we've been comparing
ourselves and sharing resources

4577
03:35:08,840 --> 03:35:12,080
as recent as yesterday, we had
a lengthy elevation discussion

4578
03:35:12,080 --> 03:35:14,080
because we've been running
into some challenges

4579
03:35:14,080 --> 03:35:15,500
with the elevations.

4580
03:35:15,500 --> 03:35:16,740
So that's been very helpful.

4581
03:35:16,740 --> 03:35:18,240
But what it comes
down to is our codes

4582
03:35:18,240 --> 03:35:20,100
aren't the same to begin with.

4583
03:35:20,100 --> 03:35:22,120
And then you have the
interpretation of the code

4584
03:35:22,120 --> 03:35:23,520
to even add to that.

4585
03:35:23,520 --> 03:35:26,160
And then you have the
fact that none of us

4586
03:35:26,160 --> 03:35:29,120
have ever been in this situation
where some of the codes

4587
03:35:29,120 --> 03:35:34,440
is being challenged like it is
because for example, the height,

4588
03:35:34,440 --> 03:35:37,550
I'll use the height as
an example, over time.

4589
03:35:37,550 --> 03:35:39,570
Redevelopment over
time would probably

4590
03:35:39,570 --> 03:35:41,570
call for that first
floor activation

4591
03:35:41,570 --> 03:35:43,070
to maybe get moved up right.

4592
03:35:43,070 --> 03:35:45,590
And you'd have more,
say, rooftop activity.

4593
03:35:45,590 --> 03:35:48,810
But what we had with the
storms is like overnight,

4594
03:35:48,810 --> 03:35:51,810
that first floor activation,
especially for commercial

4595
03:35:51,810 --> 03:35:53,430
that's kind of gone away.

4596
03:35:53,430 --> 03:35:54,470
You've lost that space.

4597
03:35:54,470 --> 03:35:55,770
So you're seeing
that, well, now you're

4598
03:35:55,770 --> 03:35:58,570
limited because now you're
so these things are something

4599
03:35:58,570 --> 03:36:03,470
that we're going to continue to
at the city manager's direction,

4600
03:36:03,470 --> 03:36:05,490
look at any minor
tweaks and changes

4601
03:36:05,490 --> 03:36:07,830
that we can make to
the LDC along the way.

4602
03:36:07,830 --> 03:36:10,770
But we're very
mindful that it's time

4603
03:36:10,770 --> 03:36:16,330
we started the Comp
plan update, and it's

4604
03:36:16,330 --> 03:36:17,950
not the appropriate time now.

4605
03:36:17,950 --> 03:36:20,370
We need to but that
doesn't mean that we don't

4606
03:36:20,370 --> 03:36:21,810
look at these
things and at least

4607
03:36:21,810 --> 03:36:24,230
modify what we can
in the interim.

4608
03:36:24,230 --> 03:36:25,970
But I think what it's
going to really require

4609
03:36:25,970 --> 03:36:29,810
is that holistic, comprehensive
look, because so much has

4610
03:36:29,810 --> 03:36:31,950
changed and the direction
that we're going in,

4611
03:36:31,950 --> 03:36:33,810
we need to there's
a lot of fixes

4612
03:36:33,810 --> 03:36:39,080
that we need to make it easier
to redevelop and build here,

4613
03:36:39,080 --> 03:36:43,100
or preserve as well,
preserve and protect.

4614
03:36:43,100 --> 03:36:48,180
So I would so though we
can't make changes right now,

4615
03:36:48,180 --> 03:36:55,940
we possibly approve changes that
would be implemented when we are

4616
03:36:55,940 --> 03:37:00,740
able to make changes, if we've
identified areas that we think

4617
03:37:00,740 --> 03:37:04,500
we want that would be better
than what we have now,

4618
03:37:04,500 --> 03:37:09,780
we could go ahead and approve
those things for implementation.

4619
03:37:09,780 --> 03:37:13,660
Whenever we're able to.

4620
03:37:13,660 --> 03:37:16,320
Absolutely and some of it you
don't really need to wait.

4621
03:37:16,320 --> 03:37:19,260
I turned to Ralph
because SB 180 put

4622
03:37:19,260 --> 03:37:21,920
some restrictions
in place until 2027,

4623
03:37:21,920 --> 03:37:23,600
but it didn't
restrict everything.

4624
03:37:23,600 --> 03:37:26,500
It was basically if you were
going to be more restrictive,

4625
03:37:26,500 --> 03:37:29,620
but there's other
ways and things

4626
03:37:29,620 --> 03:37:31,780
that we need to be
considering now just as part

4627
03:37:31,780 --> 03:37:35,980
of the rebuilding process that
we can pave the way to make it

4628
03:37:35,980 --> 03:37:39,340
an easier process to get there.

4629
03:37:39,340 --> 03:37:40,160
Yeah that's great.

4630
03:37:40,160 --> 03:37:45,080
But that is exactly what I was
talking about is the 2027 date.

4631
03:37:45,080 --> 03:37:48,380
Like when that date comes.

4632
03:37:48,380 --> 03:37:52,220
Maybe we'll be ready to
automatically implement

4633
03:37:52,220 --> 03:37:57,100
a lot of changes that we've
already gone through the process

4634
03:37:57,100 --> 03:37:58,420
on.

4635
03:37:58,420 --> 03:38:00,240
It's fast approaching.

4636
03:38:00,240 --> 03:38:03,420
And I'm hopeful that with
the redevelopment plan

4637
03:38:03,420 --> 03:38:05,820
and with the community
engagement that we're going

4638
03:38:05,820 --> 03:38:08,900
to do as part of the
redevelopment plan, that's

4639
03:38:08,900 --> 03:38:10,880
a really great
opportunity to again,

4640
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:12,880
you're looking at a
more specific area,

4641
03:38:12,880 --> 03:38:14,780
but it applies for
the whole city.

4642
03:38:14,780 --> 03:38:17,900
So you can use that
engagement and that input

4643
03:38:17,900 --> 03:38:23,340
to help inform some of the
we'll call them interim fixes

4644
03:38:23,340 --> 03:38:25,780
or changes or modifications
that you can make

4645
03:38:25,780 --> 03:38:28,280
until you can do the big stuff.

4646
03:38:28,280 --> 03:38:31,390
Post 2027.

4647
03:38:31,390 --> 03:38:32,010
Thank you.

4648
03:38:32,010 --> 03:38:34,830


4649
03:38:34,830 --> 03:38:35,490
OK thank you.

4650
03:38:35,490 --> 03:38:36,410
A few questions for me.

4651
03:38:36,410 --> 03:38:37,550
I'm sorry.

4652
03:38:37,550 --> 03:38:43,150
You start talking data and my
engineer lights up, I apologize.

4653
03:38:43,150 --> 03:38:46,510
I know you mentioned that you're
working with other communities.

4654
03:38:46,510 --> 03:38:48,650
Best practices,
things like that.

4655
03:38:48,650 --> 03:38:50,150
Are we working at.

4656
03:38:50,150 --> 03:38:52,710
I would like to find coming
out of there is expected

4657
03:38:52,710 --> 03:38:54,570
timelines per permit type.

4658
03:38:54,570 --> 03:38:56,630
Fences should take this long.

4659
03:38:56,630 --> 03:38:59,230
Seawall should take
this long as an average,

4660
03:38:59,230 --> 03:39:03,550
submittal to approval
kind of process.

4661
03:39:03,550 --> 03:39:04,757
I hope we're gathering those.

4662
03:39:04,757 --> 03:39:05,690
Maybe just a quick question.

4663
03:39:05,690 --> 03:39:06,170
Just yes.

4664
03:39:06,170 --> 03:39:06,937
Are we gathering those.

4665
03:39:06,937 --> 03:39:09,030
If not, can we.

4666
03:39:09,030 --> 03:39:09,810
We can.

4667
03:39:09,810 --> 03:39:11,270
OK thank you.

4668
03:39:11,270 --> 03:39:12,990
A few more.

4669
03:39:12,990 --> 03:39:14,550
I like the averages.

4670
03:39:14,550 --> 03:39:16,570
I should have started with
excellent presentation.

4671
03:39:16,570 --> 03:39:17,870
I sincerely
appreciate both of you

4672
03:39:17,870 --> 03:39:20,270
and what you provided for us.

4673
03:39:20,270 --> 03:39:21,450
I tend to think of averages.

4674
03:39:21,450 --> 03:39:22,450
Sometimes they can be skewed.

4675
03:39:22,450 --> 03:39:23,410
If you've got
something really long,

4676
03:39:23,410 --> 03:39:24,730
it'll skew the average
up really short.

4677
03:39:24,730 --> 03:39:25,410
You'll skew it down.

4678
03:39:25,410 --> 03:39:28,230
So can we possibly I don't know
if you have the data easy enough

4679
03:39:28,230 --> 03:39:29,160
to just add right in.

4680
03:39:29,160 --> 03:39:31,280
Maybe a median and a
range kind of thing

4681
03:39:31,280 --> 03:39:33,680
so that we can see
median will tell you

4682
03:39:33,680 --> 03:39:35,200
half of them take this
long and half of them

4683
03:39:35,200 --> 03:39:36,180
take longer kind of thing.

4684
03:39:36,180 --> 03:39:38,480
So we only see these
averages tend to get skewed.

4685
03:39:38,480 --> 03:39:40,920
Something to think about OK.

4686
03:39:40,920 --> 03:39:43,440
I'm sorry, I'm just rattling
them all off because I realize

4687
03:39:43,440 --> 03:39:44,760
we want to wrap up
at 10, but I'm not

4688
03:39:44,760 --> 03:39:46,120
sure that's going to happen.

4689
03:39:46,120 --> 03:39:46,620
She said.

4690
03:39:46,620 --> 03:39:47,820
We can do it, I understood.

4691
03:39:47,820 --> 03:39:48,420
No, I'm with you.

4692
03:39:48,420 --> 03:39:50,680
Thank you.

4693
03:39:50,680 --> 03:39:53,020
As we're breaking
out our metrics.

4694
03:39:53,020 --> 03:39:54,760
And you mentioned
we've got a process

4695
03:39:54,760 --> 03:39:57,440
and we want to start
dividing it up.

4696
03:39:57,440 --> 03:40:00,240
I'd like us to also consider
if we can differentiate

4697
03:40:00,240 --> 03:40:03,840
between what I'll call waiting
on the waiting on the applicant,

4698
03:40:03,840 --> 03:40:06,200
waiting on the contractor,
waiting on the city.

4699
03:40:06,200 --> 03:40:09,400
And really be able to
quantify only so much

4700
03:40:09,400 --> 03:40:10,780
of that is in our control.

4701
03:40:10,780 --> 03:40:14,840
The other half is not, however,
whatever is not in our control,

4702
03:40:14,840 --> 03:40:17,320
I would like us if we do have.

4703
03:40:17,320 --> 03:40:18,520
I'm sorry I'm
rattling all this off

4704
03:40:18,520 --> 03:40:25,680
or I apologize if we do
have expected, communities

4705
03:40:25,680 --> 03:40:28,010
around the area typically do a
fence with an x number of days

4706
03:40:28,010 --> 03:40:30,930
just to use it, for example, or
seawall within y number of days.

4707
03:40:30,930 --> 03:40:32,570
And then I'd like
to see if we have

4708
03:40:32,570 --> 03:40:36,230
alerts where a particular item
in our case goes beyond that.

4709
03:40:36,230 --> 03:40:37,950
That typical time frame.

4710
03:40:37,950 --> 03:40:40,170
It's stuck in a
part of the process.

4711
03:40:40,170 --> 03:40:42,730
And I want us to alert the
city staff, if possible

4712
03:40:42,730 --> 03:40:45,410
to identify that,
hey, this one's

4713
03:40:45,410 --> 03:40:46,630
one we got to follow up on.

4714
03:40:46,630 --> 03:40:48,970
And so I'm not necessarily
looking for answers right now

4715
03:40:48,970 --> 03:40:52,210
as much as things for you to
think about, as I'm thinking

4716
03:40:52,210 --> 03:40:53,910
about process flow in my head.

4717
03:40:53,910 --> 03:40:57,050


4718
03:40:57,050 --> 03:41:02,710
And ultimately, we're
looking at what I say.

4719
03:41:02,710 --> 03:41:05,430
Steady state kind of flows.

4720
03:41:05,430 --> 03:41:08,330
We're not in a storm
just hit us and we've

4721
03:41:08,330 --> 03:41:09,750
got thousands of applications.

4722
03:41:09,750 --> 03:41:12,010
We're kind of a little
bit beyond that.

4723
03:41:12,010 --> 03:41:14,890
I'd like to know that as
we look at this software

4724
03:41:14,890 --> 03:41:17,290
that we're anticipating
being able to stress

4725
03:41:17,290 --> 03:41:18,190
test that software.

4726
03:41:18,190 --> 03:41:22,670
Stress test our models to say
yes, we think within a fence,

4727
03:41:22,670 --> 03:41:26,300
within normal steady
state is pick a day.

4728
03:41:26,300 --> 03:41:26,800
Three days.

4729
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:29,900
I don't know what it is, right.

4730
03:41:29,900 --> 03:41:32,080
But if we threw 1,000
of them at it at once,

4731
03:41:32,080 --> 03:41:33,600
obviously that's going
to clog the system up.

4732
03:41:33,600 --> 03:41:37,760
And I don't know if our
software, as we go out for RFP,

4733
03:41:37,760 --> 03:41:40,400
might allow us to do some
stress testing like that,

4734
03:41:40,400 --> 03:41:42,700
because right now, I don't
know that the yes, we

4735
03:41:42,700 --> 03:41:43,800
are still in gray skies.

4736
03:41:43,800 --> 03:41:45,500
I like that term.

4737
03:41:45,500 --> 03:41:46,993
But they're not the
pitch black skies

4738
03:41:46,993 --> 03:41:48,560
that we'll see the next
time the storm hits us.

4739
03:41:48,560 --> 03:41:51,420
And I want to make sure that we
don't as much as our software

4740
03:41:51,420 --> 03:41:53,300
will be improved, I don't
want us to come right

4741
03:41:53,300 --> 03:41:55,980
back into the same situation we
had back in September of 2020,

4742
03:41:55,980 --> 03:41:57,700
2024.

4743
03:41:57,700 --> 03:41:59,780
We can only do that
as part of the RFP,

4744
03:41:59,780 --> 03:42:02,180
and we should stress test
the operating model as well.

4745
03:42:02,180 --> 03:42:04,860
Not just software but agreed.

4746
03:42:04,860 --> 03:42:05,820
And then last question.

4747
03:42:05,820 --> 03:42:06,320
I'm sorry.

4748
03:42:06,320 --> 03:42:08,660
And I know I rattle
a lot I apologize.

4749
03:42:08,660 --> 03:42:10,500
What's the date that
we're looking possibly

4750
03:42:10,500 --> 03:42:15,620
to have a goal for if we're
going to consider new software,

4751
03:42:15,620 --> 03:42:17,660
do we have an RFP that's got a
date that says we'd like to be

4752
03:42:17,660 --> 03:42:20,660
considering them in this date.

4753
03:42:20,660 --> 03:42:24,210
The only date that I had
committed to into as of now,

4754
03:42:24,210 --> 03:42:27,070
was trying to get an RFP, the
materials and scope of work

4755
03:42:27,070 --> 03:42:28,710
together by June.

4756
03:42:28,710 --> 03:42:31,630
But as far as when we would
like to if I understand

4757
03:42:31,630 --> 03:42:34,070
your question, you're looking
for when we might want to look

4758
03:42:34,070 --> 03:42:36,430
beyond the schedule
of implementation

4759
03:42:36,430 --> 03:42:38,690
or choosing new software
and implementing.

4760
03:42:38,690 --> 03:42:40,370
Yeah when do we want
to choose that vendor.

4761
03:42:40,370 --> 03:42:41,870
If we're going to go
with a different vendor,

4762
03:42:41,870 --> 03:42:43,410
when would we want to
choose that vendor.

4763
03:42:43,410 --> 03:42:46,870
Yeah, I mean, the last one
that we did here, now, it was

4764
03:42:46,870 --> 03:42:47,983
started well before I got here.

4765
03:42:47,983 --> 03:42:49,950
A matter of fact, they were at
the tail end of the decision

4766
03:42:49,950 --> 03:42:55,710
when I got here, probably
six or so months or more.

4767
03:42:55,710 --> 03:42:57,690
I worked on it for the last.

4768
03:42:57,690 --> 03:42:59,110
The first two or three
months I was here

4769
03:42:59,110 --> 03:43:02,130
before they kind of
decided to put it down,

4770
03:43:02,130 --> 03:43:03,170
essentially shelve it.

4771
03:43:03,170 --> 03:43:06,770
So I would say probably within
six months of the RFP going out,

4772
03:43:06,770 --> 03:43:09,230
hopefully we can be ready
to make some decisions.

4773
03:43:09,230 --> 03:43:11,270
Of course, that's provided
that money's funding is there

4774
03:43:11,270 --> 03:43:13,070
and that's the
direction we understood.

4775
03:43:13,070 --> 03:43:13,570
Of course.

4776
03:43:13,570 --> 03:43:14,670
Yeah understood.

4777
03:43:14,670 --> 03:43:16,950
OK thank you.

4778
03:43:16,950 --> 03:43:17,650
Thank you.

4779
03:43:17,650 --> 03:43:22,320


4780
03:43:22,320 --> 03:43:24,420
OK I'm looking at the agenda.

4781
03:43:24,420 --> 03:43:25,860
I think what's next
is audience comments.

4782
03:43:25,860 --> 03:43:27,593
And I'm used to seeing it
much earlier in the night.

4783
03:43:27,593 --> 03:43:28,880
But here we are.

4784
03:43:28,880 --> 03:43:29,500
Audience comments.

4785
03:43:29,500 --> 03:43:31,100
Is there any comments
from the audience, please.

4786
03:43:31,100 --> 03:43:32,540
Yes Sandy mayor.

4787
03:43:32,540 --> 03:43:38,800


4788
03:43:38,800 --> 03:43:42,880
Good evening, late Sandy
mayor, 8911 blind pass

4789
03:43:42,880 --> 03:43:45,960
road, Boca shores condos.

4790
03:43:45,960 --> 03:43:49,400
My husband and I bought
our condo back in 2000,

4791
03:43:49,400 --> 03:43:53,640
so we've seen a lot
happen in ST Pete Beach.

4792
03:43:53,640 --> 03:43:56,620
However, if you're
familiar with the area,

4793
03:43:56,620 --> 03:43:59,200
there's a little park called
Egan park right next to us

4794
03:43:59,200 --> 03:44:03,520
between Captiva Cay
and poco shores.

4795
03:44:03,520 --> 03:44:07,920
I don't know when it was
during those last 25 years

4796
03:44:07,920 --> 03:44:11,420
when the public works department
decided that they'd taken,

4797
03:44:11,420 --> 03:44:13,760
like a fourth of
it to put equipment

4798
03:44:13,760 --> 03:44:18,880
and stuff, storm debris,
it's been a lot of stuff

4799
03:44:18,880 --> 03:44:19,770
through the years.

4800
03:44:19,770 --> 03:44:23,730
But anyway, I was taking
my walk to the beach Monday

4801
03:44:23,730 --> 03:44:28,930
and as I came back, I decided
to walk around Eden Park

4802
03:44:28,930 --> 03:44:31,990
and I heard this really loud
noise behind me, and I looked.

4803
03:44:31,990 --> 03:44:34,250
And it was like this huge truck.

4804
03:44:34,250 --> 03:44:35,630
And so I thought, what is that.

4805
03:44:35,630 --> 03:44:38,210
I looked at the side
and I took pictures.

4806
03:44:38,210 --> 03:44:40,850
Sewer equipment
company of America.

4807
03:44:40,850 --> 03:44:43,170
And I thought, what
are they doing here.

4808
03:44:43,170 --> 03:44:46,970
Anyway, I followed
them and they backed up

4809
03:44:46,970 --> 03:44:52,930
in the big fourth portion
that is all public works.

4810
03:44:52,930 --> 03:44:56,830
And they started
dumping some stuff.

4811
03:44:56,830 --> 03:44:58,430
So I went over and I looked.

4812
03:44:58,430 --> 03:45:00,810
And it was like a
bunch of sludge.

4813
03:45:00,810 --> 03:45:04,270
I mean, we've had all kinds
of stuff in that area,

4814
03:45:04,270 --> 03:45:06,790
but this is first time I've
seen something look like sludge.

4815
03:45:06,790 --> 03:45:09,750
Well, one of our other
neighbors called public works,

4816
03:45:09,750 --> 03:45:12,850
and they said, well.

4817
03:45:12,850 --> 03:45:16,890
It's from drains from the
storm that they're getting

4818
03:45:16,890 --> 03:45:19,140
with barnacles and
all this stuff,

4819
03:45:19,140 --> 03:45:20,680
and they're dumping it there.

4820
03:45:20,680 --> 03:45:23,500
I mean, just on the
ground right by the hedge

4821
03:45:23,500 --> 03:45:26,620
between the park and the road.

4822
03:45:26,620 --> 03:45:30,820
Anyway, I just have
a couple questions

4823
03:45:30,820 --> 03:45:32,280
and you don't have
to answer them today,

4824
03:45:32,280 --> 03:45:33,620
but I would hope
that in the future

4825
03:45:33,620 --> 03:45:35,400
we can talk further about this.

4826
03:45:35,400 --> 03:45:37,100
We have met with
public works before

4827
03:45:37,100 --> 03:45:39,220
and we've had great
relationships.

4828
03:45:39,220 --> 03:45:43,940
But my number one question is,
do you think that's a good thing

4829
03:45:43,940 --> 03:45:47,540
to do where kids are playing
baseball, where people are

4830
03:45:47,540 --> 03:45:49,860
playing tennis, where
there's a basketball

4831
03:45:49,860 --> 03:45:52,460
goal, where people
are using the ramp

4832
03:45:52,460 --> 03:45:54,220
to put their boat in the water.

4833
03:45:54,220 --> 03:45:59,440
And number 2, wouldn't it make
sense instead of in such a high.

4834
03:45:59,440 --> 03:46:03,420
And I know ST Pete Beach is
a highly developed area, well

4835
03:46:03,420 --> 03:46:06,380
populated, but it would
make more sense to me

4836
03:46:06,380 --> 03:46:09,220
not to put something like
that in such a populated area

4837
03:46:09,220 --> 03:46:12,380
and maybe go into
Pinellas County somewhere

4838
03:46:12,380 --> 03:46:15,070
where we could dump
stuff like that.

4839
03:46:15,070 --> 03:46:16,790
So those are my questions.

4840
03:46:16,790 --> 03:46:18,350
Something to think
about and hopefully we

4841
03:46:18,350 --> 03:46:20,110
can talk about in the future.

4842
03:46:20,110 --> 03:46:21,330
It's past my bedtime.

4843
03:46:21,330 --> 03:46:22,010
Oh appreciate it.

4844
03:46:22,010 --> 03:46:22,570
Thank you.

4845
03:46:22,570 --> 03:46:25,110


4846
03:46:25,110 --> 03:46:32,710
Kathy past my bedtime too.

4847
03:46:32,710 --> 03:46:33,910
Good evening.

4848
03:46:33,910 --> 03:46:35,950
Mayor commissioners.

4849
03:46:35,950 --> 03:46:38,830
Yeah, it's four
hours for me here.

4850
03:46:38,830 --> 03:46:41,990
Probably is long for
you all for an item

4851
03:46:41,990 --> 03:46:45,250
on the agenda that I came in
here pretty hopeful about.

4852
03:46:45,250 --> 03:46:46,170
Excited about.

4853
03:46:46,170 --> 03:46:50,310
But I think if I heard you,
I think Commissioner Robinson

4854
03:46:50,310 --> 03:46:58,670
maybe pulled the consent item B,
which I was looking forward to

4855
03:46:58,670 --> 03:47:00,790
is I think a lot
of our neighborhood

4856
03:47:00,790 --> 03:47:06,510
is to see the city finally
execute a contract to get what

4857
03:47:06,510 --> 03:47:08,470
is kind of a
misnomer, calling it

4858
03:47:08,470 --> 03:47:11,030
a stormwater outfall
when all we experience

4859
03:47:11,030 --> 03:47:15,080
is salt water in fall.

4860
03:47:15,080 --> 03:47:18,040
It's been happening
for years and years.

4861
03:47:18,040 --> 03:47:22,120
This contract is now at 13.

4862
03:47:22,120 --> 03:47:24,900
Stormwater outfalls involved
in it, not just the five.

4863
03:47:24,900 --> 03:47:27,160
And Don says that should
have been executed

4864
03:47:27,160 --> 03:47:29,280
probably two years ago.

4865
03:47:29,280 --> 03:47:34,340
But because I'm going to say and
you should ask the city staff.

4866
03:47:34,340 --> 03:47:37,480
But my understanding from
working very closely with

4867
03:47:37,480 --> 03:47:42,520
the team, it's really hard
to get attention to a project

4868
03:47:42,520 --> 03:47:45,560
that's less than $100,000.

4869
03:47:45,560 --> 03:47:49,100
So you combine a massive
amount to try to get it done,

4870
03:47:49,100 --> 03:47:51,760
and we've been
waiting for years.

4871
03:47:51,760 --> 03:47:56,400
The impact of not
having this is real.

4872
03:47:56,400 --> 03:47:59,200
Our high tides right
now are over 2 feet.

4873
03:47:59,200 --> 03:48:01,920
And you all know our
streets on average

4874
03:48:01,920 --> 03:48:04,167
are 1 and 1/2 to two feet.

4875
03:48:04,167 --> 03:48:05,600
But we're not even
talking about the street

4876
03:48:05,600 --> 03:48:08,640
ends where all this water
sits and accumulates.

4877
03:48:08,640 --> 03:48:10,700
It's there, it's real,
and it's a problem.

4878
03:48:10,700 --> 03:48:13,830
And we need you to act
with urgency on this.

4879
03:48:13,830 --> 03:48:18,490
I don't understand why you
decided to punt on it tonight.

4880
03:48:18,490 --> 03:48:20,370
It's frustrating.

4881
03:48:20,370 --> 03:48:22,990
And it takes eight months
for this contract to happen.

4882
03:48:22,990 --> 03:48:25,090
But yeah, tell me, tell
me that you're going to be

4883
03:48:25,090 --> 03:48:26,890
able to decide on this tonight.

4884
03:48:26,890 --> 03:48:29,670
OK When it gets
pulled from consent,

4885
03:48:29,670 --> 03:48:32,170
it just means it turns
into an action item.

4886
03:48:32,170 --> 03:48:33,970
Hallelujah thank you.

4887
03:48:33,970 --> 03:48:35,310
I was like, oh my God.

4888
03:48:35,310 --> 03:48:36,730
I had questions on it.

4889
03:48:36,730 --> 03:48:37,830
You have questions on it.

4890
03:48:37,830 --> 03:48:38,630
OK, good.

4891
03:48:38,630 --> 03:48:39,870
Well that's fine.

4892
03:48:39,870 --> 03:48:40,990
Questions are great.

4893
03:48:40,990 --> 03:48:43,410
I just thought that it
meant that it wasn't going

4894
03:48:43,410 --> 03:48:44,670
to get decided on tonight.

4895
03:48:44,670 --> 03:48:47,470
And I was kind of
heartbroken for that, so yay.

4896
03:48:47,470 --> 03:48:49,910
All right, well,
he asked questions,

4897
03:48:49,910 --> 03:48:52,390
but I guess you can
hear my request.

4898
03:48:52,390 --> 03:48:53,850
Please approve it.

4899
03:48:53,850 --> 03:48:57,610
Thanks Thank you.

4900
03:48:57,610 --> 03:48:59,810
Other public comments.

4901
03:48:59,810 --> 03:49:00,790
Deborah scheckner.

4902
03:49:00,790 --> 03:49:03,410


4903
03:49:03,410 --> 03:49:05,470
OK grant.

4904
03:49:05,470 --> 03:49:13,050
Izzy good evening.

4905
03:49:13,050 --> 03:49:17,090
Grant isea 203 59th Avenue.

4906
03:49:17,090 --> 03:49:18,650
Again for hours here.

4907
03:49:18,650 --> 03:49:21,590
But just to make a
couple of comments.

4908
03:49:21,590 --> 03:49:23,810
So I almost feel guilty
doing that since everyone's

4909
03:49:23,810 --> 03:49:24,890
been waiting.

4910
03:49:24,890 --> 03:49:28,170
First of all, I want
to say thank you like I

4911
03:49:28,170 --> 03:49:29,377
always do when I get up here.

4912
03:49:29,377 --> 03:49:30,610
First thing I want
to do is thank you

4913
03:49:30,610 --> 03:49:35,050
for your service
to the community

4914
03:49:35,050 --> 03:49:37,170
and the time away
from your families.

4915
03:49:37,170 --> 03:49:40,290
Doing service of
any kind is noble,

4916
03:49:40,290 --> 03:49:42,190
and so I really appreciate it.

4917
03:49:42,190 --> 03:49:43,430
We all appreciate it.

4918
03:49:43,430 --> 03:49:47,190
We may not always agree with
you, but we appreciate it.

4919
03:49:47,190 --> 03:49:50,170
And then congratulations
to Commissioner

4920
03:49:50,170 --> 03:49:53,730
Causey and Mayor Tate.

4921
03:49:53,730 --> 03:49:59,050
This is some people say
elections have consequences.

4922
03:49:59,050 --> 03:50:00,890
But I know a number
of people, including

4923
03:50:00,890 --> 03:50:04,610
myself, that really say
elections bring opportunities.

4924
03:50:04,610 --> 03:50:08,380
So this is a good
day for our city.

4925
03:50:08,380 --> 03:50:12,780
A few opportunities that I want
you to think about that I think

4926
03:50:12,780 --> 03:50:14,780
are important, and
that our city needs

4927
03:50:14,780 --> 03:50:16,500
right now more than anything.

4928
03:50:16,500 --> 03:50:21,820
Solving problems, real
problems is one of them.

4929
03:50:21,820 --> 03:50:25,620
We need you to lead
and make decisions

4930
03:50:25,620 --> 03:50:29,540
by using facts, not emotions.

4931
03:50:29,540 --> 03:50:35,020
OK facts are what take
you to the right solution

4932
03:50:35,020 --> 03:50:37,980
and it will help you avoid
things, which it's kind of been

4933
03:50:37,980 --> 03:50:43,220
rampant here is problems looking
for a solution or solution

4934
03:50:43,220 --> 03:50:44,740
looking for a problem.

4935
03:50:44,740 --> 03:50:49,460
And so ask the right questions.

4936
03:50:49,460 --> 03:50:52,300
Ask what problem are
we trying to solve.

4937
03:50:52,300 --> 03:50:55,540
When you're being asked to
approve something because that

4938
03:50:55,540 --> 03:50:57,300
may take you down
a different road,

4939
03:50:57,300 --> 03:51:00,780
but it will be the right road.

4940
03:51:00,780 --> 03:51:04,020
Bring the community together.

4941
03:51:04,020 --> 03:51:07,910
The toxic atmosphere in this
community that pits people

4942
03:51:07,910 --> 03:51:12,110
against each other,
compounds the problem

4943
03:51:12,110 --> 03:51:15,070
when you have to
solve the big problems

4944
03:51:15,070 --> 03:51:17,170
because we're not
working together,

4945
03:51:17,170 --> 03:51:21,410
so really need you to do that
so we can really move forward.

4946
03:51:21,410 --> 03:51:24,150
Whether it's a big problem or
big issue like this thunder

4947
03:51:24,150 --> 03:51:27,730
thing, if we were
working together,

4948
03:51:27,730 --> 03:51:30,990
I bet you we would
solve that problem.

4949
03:51:30,990 --> 03:51:35,270
Clarify the vision of what
we want ST Pete Beach to be.

4950
03:51:35,270 --> 03:51:37,550
I think we all want
the same thing,

4951
03:51:37,550 --> 03:51:40,430
but it doesn't seem like it.

4952
03:51:40,430 --> 03:51:42,590
So we need some clarification.

4953
03:51:42,590 --> 03:51:46,070
Just for example, on
this road project,

4954
03:51:46,070 --> 03:51:47,250
do we need bike lanes or not.

4955
03:51:47,250 --> 03:51:49,270
What's the big
vision for ST Pete

4956
03:51:49,270 --> 03:51:52,550
Beach and making it an
accessible, walkable, rideable

4957
03:51:52,550 --> 03:51:53,190
city.

4958
03:51:53,190 --> 03:51:53,690
Does this.

4959
03:51:53,690 --> 03:51:56,750
Does that particular road fit
in to the overall big vision.

4960
03:51:56,750 --> 03:51:59,010
What is the vision
our neighborhoods.

4961
03:51:59,010 --> 03:52:02,390
What are the vision that
needs to be clarified

4962
03:52:02,390 --> 03:52:04,940
so we can make decisions.

4963
03:52:04,940 --> 03:52:08,480
And then finally
process improvements.

4964
03:52:08,480 --> 03:52:10,080
Great briefing,
but we're not going

4965
03:52:10,080 --> 03:52:16,040
to get anywhere unless we have
goals that we can measure by.

4966
03:52:16,040 --> 03:52:17,200
Thank you.

4967
03:52:17,200 --> 03:52:19,640
Thanks, sir.

4968
03:52:19,640 --> 03:52:20,660
Lauren Munez.

4969
03:52:20,660 --> 03:52:29,680


4970
03:52:29,680 --> 03:52:31,120
Lauren Munez.

4971
03:52:31,120 --> 03:52:32,800
Pastor girl.

4972
03:52:32,800 --> 03:52:37,280
So, problem number one,
amending the minutes verbatim,

4973
03:52:37,280 --> 03:52:43,080
but missing the intent of
the voting government body.

4974
03:52:43,080 --> 03:52:44,760
Intent is crucial.

4975
03:52:44,760 --> 03:52:48,000
Even if it's not spoken.

4976
03:52:48,000 --> 03:52:52,040
Legislative intent of
the legislative body

4977
03:52:52,040 --> 03:52:53,620
is mandatory language.

4978
03:52:53,620 --> 03:52:56,240
And y'all miss that.

4979
03:52:56,240 --> 03:52:59,120
Y'all miss that.

4980
03:52:59,120 --> 03:53:02,170
Problem number two not amending.

4981
03:53:02,170 --> 03:53:04,570
Exhibit A. My understanding
is that you're

4982
03:53:04,570 --> 03:53:08,510
going to amend the minutes,
but not amend the ordinance.

4983
03:53:08,510 --> 03:53:10,357
Is that correct.

4984
03:53:10,357 --> 03:53:12,290
You don't have to answer because
I know you're not allowed

4985
03:53:12,290 --> 03:53:17,030
to answer right now, but if
I understand that correctly,

4986
03:53:17,030 --> 03:53:24,650
then you'll have the minutes
disagreeing with the ordinance.

4987
03:53:24,650 --> 03:53:28,410
That's a break in
due process, correct

4988
03:53:28,410 --> 03:53:32,610
Yes there's no transparency.

4989
03:53:32,610 --> 03:53:35,450
There's no record of anything.

4990
03:53:35,450 --> 03:53:40,850
Put you guys in a really
weak spot, litigation wise.

4991
03:53:40,850 --> 03:53:42,370
Problem number 3.

4992
03:53:42,370 --> 03:53:47,870
You took out utility
poles, Ralph, for setbacks.

4993
03:53:47,870 --> 03:53:50,090
The citizens always
had the language

4994
03:53:50,090 --> 03:53:53,930
for months saying setbacks
are for wireless support

4995
03:53:53,930 --> 03:53:56,930
structures and utility poles.

4996
03:53:56,930 --> 03:53:58,230
Now it says.

4997
03:53:58,230 --> 03:54:01,340


4998
03:54:01,340 --> 03:54:06,180
Wireless support structures,
not including utility poles.

4999
03:54:06,180 --> 03:54:07,460
What's that about.

5000
03:54:07,460 --> 03:54:09,080
They're all utility poles.

5001
03:54:09,080 --> 03:54:13,700
All the wireless antennas
right now are on utility poles.

5002
03:54:13,700 --> 03:54:16,100
Why would you take that out.

5003
03:54:16,100 --> 03:54:17,520
Did they tell you
to take it out.

5004
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:18,700
The old commission.

5005
03:54:18,700 --> 03:54:20,000
Did they instruct you.

5006
03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:22,340
Are you overstepping
your advisory role again.

5007
03:54:22,340 --> 03:54:24,700
I think so.

5008
03:54:24,700 --> 03:54:28,820
I think this commission needs
to evaluate his position

5009
03:54:28,820 --> 03:54:36,300
because he's an interim attorney
and he's not doing a good job.

5010
03:54:36,300 --> 03:54:37,920
He needs to be evaluated.

5011
03:54:37,920 --> 03:54:39,940
And you pulled.

5012
03:54:39,940 --> 03:54:40,680
Not you.

5013
03:54:40,680 --> 03:54:41,580
Not you.

5014
03:54:41,580 --> 03:54:46,820
The other commission pulled
his evaluation from the agenda.

5015
03:54:46,820 --> 03:54:48,600
My understanding of
it, I could be wrong,

5016
03:54:48,600 --> 03:54:50,140
but that's what I was told.

5017
03:54:50,140 --> 03:54:52,980
He's never been evaluated
since the renewing

5018
03:54:52,980 --> 03:54:55,620
of the contract with his firm.

5019
03:54:55,620 --> 03:54:57,670
Problem number four,
you are forcing

5020
03:54:57,670 --> 03:55:00,110
it back to first
and second reading

5021
03:55:00,110 --> 03:55:02,050
when it already was voted on.

5022
03:55:02,050 --> 03:55:04,830


5023
03:55:04,830 --> 03:55:07,150
I hope you guys
are proud of this.

5024
03:55:07,150 --> 03:55:08,210
It's sad.

5025
03:55:08,210 --> 03:55:11,230
It's sad how you
all have shown up.

5026
03:55:11,230 --> 03:55:12,930
And it breaks my
heart to be honest,

5027
03:55:12,930 --> 03:55:17,710
because you all put a lot of
time into this and so did we.

5028
03:55:17,710 --> 03:55:22,590
And now you want to put
more time into this.

5029
03:55:22,590 --> 03:55:24,470
You guys think I'm going
to back down because you

5030
03:55:24,470 --> 03:55:25,650
keep giving me problems.

5031
03:55:25,650 --> 03:55:29,430
I'm going to turn it
up 10 notches now.

5032
03:55:29,430 --> 03:55:32,270
Thank you.

5033
03:55:32,270 --> 03:55:58,200
Thank you, Ron Vigneault.
OK Avignon make up as well.

5034
03:55:58,200 --> 03:56:04,160
OK John, did you write this.

5035
03:56:04,160 --> 03:56:05,820
I guess you wrote it.

5036
03:56:05,820 --> 03:56:08,540
Yeah it's your name
there, and it's.

5037
03:56:08,540 --> 03:56:10,240
It's sent to Becky.

5038
03:56:10,240 --> 03:56:12,760
Becky is the boss of Ralph.

5039
03:56:12,760 --> 03:56:14,420
So you wrote again.

5040
03:56:14,420 --> 03:56:16,080
And I have tons of those things.

5041
03:56:16,080 --> 03:56:19,080
You wrote again to
Becky, the boss of Ralph.

5042
03:56:19,080 --> 03:56:20,480
You intend.

5043
03:56:20,480 --> 03:56:23,480
And it's all about the intent.

5044
03:56:23,480 --> 03:56:24,460
What does it say.

5045
03:56:24,460 --> 03:56:34,880


5046
03:56:34,880 --> 03:56:37,120
See here.

5047
03:56:37,120 --> 03:56:39,540
Mandatory it says mandatory.

5048
03:56:39,540 --> 03:56:40,560
Can you see it.

5049
03:56:40,560 --> 03:56:41,180
John, look.

5050
03:56:41,180 --> 03:56:43,160
Look on the paper.

5051
03:56:43,160 --> 03:56:45,000
Why are you looking at me.

5052
03:56:45,000 --> 03:56:46,180
Have you passed out.

5053
03:56:46,180 --> 03:56:47,800
Look on the paper.

5054
03:56:47,800 --> 03:56:49,160
You wrote that.

5055
03:56:49,160 --> 03:56:51,120
That's your intent.

5056
03:56:51,120 --> 03:56:54,510
You fought for this for
months a year and a half.

5057
03:56:54,510 --> 03:56:57,670
My wife and we've been working a
year and a half with all of you.

5058
03:56:57,670 --> 03:57:01,090
I mean, not the Al and Scott.

5059
03:57:01,090 --> 03:57:04,030
We spoke, we talked about this.

5060
03:57:04,030 --> 03:57:05,250
It was out there.

5061
03:57:05,250 --> 03:57:07,090
And you put that
motion that night

5062
03:57:07,090 --> 03:57:08,930
and you wrote that to Becky.

5063
03:57:08,930 --> 03:57:09,710
So that's a proof.

5064
03:57:09,710 --> 03:57:11,330
That's what you wanted.

5065
03:57:11,330 --> 03:57:15,250
Now you're letting this
guy walk all over you.

5066
03:57:15,250 --> 03:57:16,690
He works for you.

5067
03:57:16,690 --> 03:57:18,650
He works for me.

5068
03:57:18,650 --> 03:57:20,670
And this guy is
walking all over you.

5069
03:57:20,670 --> 03:57:24,010


5070
03:57:24,010 --> 03:57:27,250
And, Lisa, are
you proud of that.

5071
03:57:27,250 --> 03:57:30,250
You intended to have protection.

5072
03:57:30,250 --> 03:57:33,010
This guy took it away from you.

5073
03:57:33,010 --> 03:57:35,130
He took what you wanted to do.

5074
03:57:35,130 --> 03:57:36,710
He took what Jon wanted to do.

5075
03:57:36,710 --> 03:57:40,970
I don't know who's getting
the money, who's paying who,

5076
03:57:40,970 --> 03:57:41,990
but it's dirty.

5077
03:57:41,990 --> 03:57:43,430
It's very, very dirty.

5078
03:57:43,430 --> 03:57:45,250
And I feel sorry for you, Scott.

5079
03:57:45,250 --> 03:57:49,370
You just walked in the
biggest fucking mess ever.

5080
03:57:49,370 --> 03:57:52,720
And I spoke tonight
to so many people.

5081
03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:54,500
The room, the room
was full, so I had

5082
03:57:54,500 --> 03:57:56,300
a chance to talk to everybody.

5083
03:57:56,300 --> 03:57:59,940
And everybody thinks
this guy is corrupt.

5084
03:57:59,940 --> 03:58:02,140
Corrupt to the bone.

5085
03:58:02,140 --> 03:58:05,180
So we need a public
investigation.

5086
03:58:05,180 --> 03:58:05,840
Ron, please.

5087
03:58:05,840 --> 03:58:06,800
Please yeah, yeah.

5088
03:58:06,800 --> 03:58:07,360
Point of order.

5089
03:58:07,360 --> 03:58:09,820
Just stop the attacks, please.

5090
03:58:09,820 --> 03:58:11,440
Well, no, those are not attacks.

5091
03:58:11,440 --> 03:58:12,260
The facts.

5092
03:58:12,260 --> 03:58:14,620
Everybody thinks
this guy is corrupt.

5093
03:58:14,620 --> 03:58:17,420
City clerk, would you pause
the timer for a second while

5094
03:58:17,420 --> 03:58:19,700
I ask kindly that
the mayor would

5095
03:58:19,700 --> 03:58:24,220
remind people of the decorum
that's required here.

5096
03:58:24,220 --> 03:58:25,780
Yeah thank you.

5097
03:58:25,780 --> 03:58:30,300
OK, I get it, I get it, but I
still have some time to speak.

5098
03:58:30,300 --> 03:58:31,660
Point of order.

5099
03:58:31,660 --> 03:58:33,060
Point of order.

5100
03:58:33,060 --> 03:58:34,520
Yeah just stop the attacks.

5101
03:58:34,520 --> 03:58:35,940
Please please keep it factual.

5102
03:58:35,940 --> 03:58:38,800
Facts everybody's
talking about it.

5103
03:58:38,800 --> 03:58:41,040
Scott, are you going
to overlook that.

5104
03:58:41,040 --> 03:58:42,280
You're going to let that go.

5105
03:58:42,280 --> 03:58:43,900
I don't think you should
be calling the liar

5106
03:58:43,900 --> 03:58:44,880
just out here like this.

5107
03:58:44,880 --> 03:58:45,960
I think that's inappropriate.

5108
03:58:45,960 --> 03:58:48,120
So why look at this.

5109
03:58:48,120 --> 03:58:49,910
What is this, then.

5110
03:58:49,910 --> 03:58:51,090
That's his intent.

5111
03:58:51,090 --> 03:58:54,270
And he's letting
this guy override it.

5112
03:58:54,270 --> 03:58:58,930
That's not democracy, that's
communism, that's dictatorship.

5113
03:58:58,930 --> 03:59:01,030
This guy is running
the show here,

5114
03:59:01,030 --> 03:59:04,190
and he has no place
to run the show.

5115
03:59:04,190 --> 03:59:05,570
I mean, Scott, you
just walked in.

5116
03:59:05,570 --> 03:59:06,570
I'm sorry about that.

5117
03:59:06,570 --> 03:59:08,190
But Lisa spoke.

5118
03:59:08,190 --> 03:59:10,870
John spoke, and
they shut them up.

5119
03:59:10,870 --> 03:59:12,230
Someone is shutting them up.

5120
03:59:12,230 --> 03:59:12,730
Time up.

5121
03:59:12,730 --> 03:59:13,470
It's time is up.

5122
03:59:13,470 --> 03:59:14,990
Thank you.

5123
03:59:14,990 --> 03:59:16,950
And now she's shutting me up.

5124
03:59:16,950 --> 03:59:19,150
But this is the beginning
of something really big.

5125
03:59:19,150 --> 03:59:22,390
We speak with all the media, and
it's going to go very, very far.

5126
03:59:22,390 --> 03:59:22,890
Thank you.

5127
03:59:22,890 --> 03:59:26,050
Ron people will get
what they deserve.

5128
03:59:26,050 --> 03:59:26,870
Thank you.

5129
03:59:26,870 --> 03:59:29,990
Sick fucking sick.

5130
03:59:29,990 --> 03:59:33,190
Shame on you.

5131
03:59:33,190 --> 03:59:34,290
John kurzmann.

5132
03:59:34,290 --> 03:59:38,790


5133
03:59:38,790 --> 03:59:42,310
We could also refrain from
using swear words because this

5134
03:59:42,310 --> 03:59:44,010
is in the internet.

5135
03:59:44,010 --> 03:59:45,130
Children could be watching.

5136
03:59:45,130 --> 03:59:46,790
It's not appropriate.

5137
03:59:46,790 --> 03:59:47,660
Not you.

5138
03:59:47,660 --> 03:59:50,360
But when we come up, if
we don't swear as well as

5139
03:59:50,360 --> 03:59:53,640
not use personal attacks.

5140
03:59:53,640 --> 03:59:56,700
Sorry, I didn't mean to jump up.

5141
03:59:56,700 --> 03:59:57,380
No, please.

5142
03:59:57,380 --> 03:59:58,180
Come on up, John.

5143
03:59:58,180 --> 04:00:00,520
Thank you.

5144
04:00:00,520 --> 04:00:01,420
Could you Zoom in.

5145
04:00:01,420 --> 04:00:02,540
Really really.

5146
04:00:02,540 --> 04:00:08,920
On just a picture next to Zoom.

5147
04:00:08,920 --> 04:00:13,520
So, John kurzman, Bahia
Honda way, ST Pete Beach.

5148
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:16,080
So I wasn't going to
talk about this today,

5149
04:00:16,080 --> 04:00:20,120
but the talk about the Boca
ciega drive prompted me.

5150
04:00:20,120 --> 04:00:21,800
This, for instance, is
one of our bike lanes

5151
04:00:21,800 --> 04:00:23,060
over by Don Cesar.

5152
04:00:23,060 --> 04:00:28,000
Notice the skid marks right
through the middle of the lane.

5153
04:00:28,000 --> 04:00:30,600
This is the Florida
statute that says

5154
04:00:30,600 --> 04:00:32,480
the driver of a
vehicle overtaking

5155
04:00:32,480 --> 04:00:34,540
a bicycle or other
non-motorized vehicle,

5156
04:00:34,540 --> 04:00:37,640
or an e-bike occupying
the same lane,

5157
04:00:37,640 --> 04:00:40,520
must pass the bicycle
at a safe distance

5158
04:00:40,520 --> 04:00:42,480
of not less than three feet.

5159
04:00:42,480 --> 04:00:46,440
It also says in number three the
driver of a vehicle overtaking

5160
04:00:46,440 --> 04:00:48,640
a bicycle or other
non-motorized vehicle,

5161
04:00:48,640 --> 04:00:51,600
or an electric bike occupying a
bicycle lane, which is what we

5162
04:00:51,600 --> 04:00:55,600
often do, must pass the
vehicle at a safe distance

5163
04:00:55,600 --> 04:00:57,240
of not less than three feet.

5164
04:00:57,240 --> 04:00:59,620
This never happens
on Gulf Boulevard.

5165
04:00:59,620 --> 04:01:02,800
It never happens
anywhere in our city.

5166
04:01:02,800 --> 04:01:04,600
And it's dangerous.

5167
04:01:04,600 --> 04:01:06,880
Now, recently, the
state has come up

5168
04:01:06,880 --> 04:01:09,520
with a new law for
e-bikes, where now they're

5169
04:01:09,520 --> 04:01:13,200
going to say that if
you're in on the sidewalk,

5170
04:01:13,200 --> 04:01:16,920
you can go 10 miles an hour.

5171
04:01:16,920 --> 04:01:18,407
Well, they're saying
you can go any speed,

5172
04:01:18,407 --> 04:01:19,540
but at 10 miles
an hour, if you're

5173
04:01:19,540 --> 04:01:22,400
within 50 feet of a person,
that's a great step.

5174
04:01:22,400 --> 04:01:23,460
I think, in our city.

5175
04:01:23,460 --> 04:01:26,760
We might want to undo the
law that was mistakenly

5176
04:01:26,760 --> 04:01:29,200
made because it
wasn't made properly,

5177
04:01:29,200 --> 04:01:32,400
and make the law be
just 10 miles an hour

5178
04:01:32,400 --> 04:01:34,780
when you're on the
sidewalk at any time.

5179
04:01:34,780 --> 04:01:37,200
But at least let the e-bikes
back on the sidewalk.

5180
04:01:37,200 --> 04:01:38,600
And let me explain why.

5181
04:01:38,600 --> 04:01:40,120
This, for instance, is
a picture of the sun

5182
04:01:40,120 --> 04:01:42,360
runner over in South Pasadena.

5183
04:01:42,360 --> 04:01:45,010
But notice the size
of the sunrunner.

5184
04:01:45,010 --> 04:01:48,010
It's totally over the line.

5185
04:01:48,010 --> 04:01:51,890
This is the sunrunner that
almost hit me in the head.

5186
04:01:51,890 --> 04:01:56,250
January 13 I was on my bike in
the bike lane and look at that

5187
04:01:56,250 --> 04:01:56,750
mirror.

5188
04:01:56,750 --> 04:02:01,090
The mirror is in the
middle of the bike lane.

5189
04:02:01,090 --> 04:02:02,870
And then here's it is
without me circling it.

5190
04:02:02,870 --> 04:02:05,430
So you can really
see the mirror.

5191
04:02:05,430 --> 04:02:08,930
I mean, I felt the
wind go over my head.

5192
04:02:08,930 --> 04:02:13,570
So then we get to this lane.

5193
04:02:13,570 --> 04:02:19,210
They currently have two 11 foot
lanes and a three foot bike lane

5194
04:02:19,210 --> 04:02:22,730
and a 2 foot 2 bike
lane that makes 27.

5195
04:02:22,730 --> 04:02:25,170
So you've got 27 to
work with and you

5196
04:02:25,170 --> 04:02:26,510
could smooth out the curbs.

5197
04:02:26,510 --> 04:02:32,390
Great but don't turn
it into a 22 foot lane.

5198
04:02:32,390 --> 04:02:33,310
Which road.

5199
04:02:33,310 --> 04:02:35,050
Which is what's
being recommended.

5200
04:02:35,050 --> 04:02:39,310
First off, notice that
those are both shadow lanes.

5201
04:02:39,310 --> 04:02:42,420
Shadow lanes is the word for
where the bike and the car

5202
04:02:42,420 --> 04:02:43,780
share the lane.

5203
04:02:43,780 --> 04:02:45,840
But normally, when
you have narrow lanes.

5204
04:02:45,840 --> 04:02:47,760
There's two lanes
in each direction.

5205
04:02:47,760 --> 04:02:50,780
That way a car can pass
the guy on the bike.

5206
04:02:50,780 --> 04:02:53,540
What this is doing is it means.

5207
04:02:53,540 --> 04:02:57,380
That means you see TxDOT
traffic calming device.

5208
04:02:57,380 --> 04:03:00,440
Everybody on a bicycle becomes
a traffic calming device.

5209
04:03:00,440 --> 04:03:01,980
That's not fair to us.

5210
04:03:01,980 --> 04:03:04,340
We shouldn't be the ones
holding back traffic.

5211
04:03:04,340 --> 04:03:06,320
We need a way to get around.

5212
04:03:06,320 --> 04:03:07,080
And they do.

5213
04:03:07,080 --> 04:03:08,680
Also, when you do
this implementation,

5214
04:03:08,680 --> 04:03:10,080
you have to move
all the mailboxes,

5215
04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:12,140
which is one of the reasons
people weren't happy.

5216
04:03:12,140 --> 04:03:13,600
And there's no parking.

5217
04:03:13,600 --> 04:03:16,940
So I just recommend that we
really rethink this whole bike

5218
04:03:16,940 --> 04:03:18,920
lane strategy in general.

5219
04:03:18,920 --> 04:03:19,440
Thank you.

5220
04:03:19,440 --> 04:03:21,940
Thank you.

5221
04:03:21,940 --> 04:03:25,900
There are no further
general audience comments.

5222
04:03:25,900 --> 04:03:28,100
OK thank you.

5223
04:03:28,100 --> 04:03:33,140
Next, we have the
amended consent agenda.

5224
04:03:33,140 --> 04:03:33,960
Do we need to read it.

5225
04:03:33,960 --> 04:03:37,820
Is there a reading of it or
I can read the resolution.

5226
04:03:37,820 --> 04:03:39,730
Do we need to
continue the meeting.

5227
04:03:39,730 --> 04:03:40,530
Continue the meeting.

5228
04:03:40,530 --> 04:03:41,150
I'm sorry.

5229
04:03:41,150 --> 04:03:43,190
Wow Yeah, yeah.

5230
04:03:43,190 --> 04:03:47,910
OK, I'll make a motion to
continue the meeting to 10:30.

5231
04:03:47,910 --> 04:03:48,770
I second.

5232
04:03:48,770 --> 04:03:52,030


5233
04:03:52,030 --> 04:03:58,230
10:30 commissioner Causey.

5234
04:03:58,230 --> 04:03:59,450
Yes commissioner.

5235
04:03:59,450 --> 04:04:00,750
Maldonado yes.

5236
04:04:00,750 --> 04:04:01,610
Mayor Tate.

5237
04:04:01,610 --> 04:04:02,690
Yes vice mayor.

5238
04:04:02,690 --> 04:04:03,650
Marriott yes.

5239
04:04:03,650 --> 04:04:04,610
Commissioner Robinson.

5240
04:04:04,610 --> 04:04:07,290
Yes The motion carries.

5241
04:04:07,290 --> 04:04:10,670


5242
04:04:10,670 --> 04:04:12,530
There's a resolution
on the consent agenda.

5243
04:04:12,530 --> 04:04:14,170
So I would just like to
read the title of it.

5244
04:04:14,170 --> 04:04:15,690
We don't have to discuss it.

5245
04:04:15,690 --> 04:04:19,270
A resolution number 2020
608, a resolution of the city

5246
04:04:19,270 --> 04:04:21,470
commission of the
city of ST Pete Beach

5247
04:04:21,470 --> 04:04:25,110
to establish a temporary amnesty
program to temporarily waive

5248
04:04:25,110 --> 04:04:29,110
the triple fee penalty for after
the fact building permit fees

5249
04:04:29,110 --> 04:04:33,250
beginning February 16, 2026,
through and including June 30,

5250
04:04:33,250 --> 04:04:36,790
2026 for permit applications
for repair or demolition

5251
04:04:36,790 --> 04:04:40,280
of storm damaged structures and
for installation of materials

5252
04:04:40,280 --> 04:04:43,440
and equipment within and
attached to storm damaged

5253
04:04:43,440 --> 04:04:46,400
structures, establishing
a minimum reserve fund

5254
04:04:46,400 --> 04:04:48,180
and providing for
an effective date.

5255
04:04:48,180 --> 04:04:53,400


5256
04:04:53,400 --> 04:04:55,780
I'll make a motion to
approve the consent agenda.

5257
04:04:55,780 --> 04:04:56,580
I second.

5258
04:04:56,580 --> 04:05:00,120


5259
04:05:00,120 --> 04:05:01,220
Commissioner Maldonado.

5260
04:05:01,220 --> 04:05:02,580
Yes mayor Tate.

5261
04:05:02,580 --> 04:05:03,580
Yes vice mayor.

5262
04:05:03,580 --> 04:05:04,660
Marriott yes.

5263
04:05:04,660 --> 04:05:05,620
Commissioner Robinson.

5264
04:05:05,620 --> 04:05:08,580
Yes commissioner Casey
Yes Motion carries.

5265
04:05:08,580 --> 04:05:11,120


5266
04:05:11,120 --> 04:05:13,360
Correction that motion
should be to approve

5267
04:05:13,360 --> 04:05:15,100
the consent agenda, as amended.

5268
04:05:15,100 --> 04:05:15,660
As amended.

5269
04:05:15,660 --> 04:05:18,540
Yes do I need to start
over, or can I just say no.

5270
04:05:18,540 --> 04:05:19,140
That's OK.

5271
04:05:19,140 --> 04:05:22,040
OK thank you.

5272
04:05:22,040 --> 04:05:22,700
That's right.

5273
04:05:22,700 --> 04:05:23,780
Yeah I know.

5274
04:05:23,780 --> 04:05:24,960
No that's fine.

5275
04:05:24,960 --> 04:05:26,660
We'll be next.

5276
04:05:26,660 --> 04:05:28,420
We're going to
approve B separately.

5277
04:05:28,420 --> 04:05:30,500
Sure OK.

5278
04:05:30,500 --> 04:05:32,560
I also understand that we
moved an item out of here

5279
04:05:32,560 --> 04:05:33,780
into the action items.

5280
04:05:33,780 --> 04:05:36,290
I don't know if it goes
first or goes go second to.

5281
04:05:36,290 --> 04:05:37,430
Now now.

5282
04:05:37,430 --> 04:05:39,970
Perfect thank you.

5283
04:05:39,970 --> 04:05:45,810
Mayor due to the interest and
technicality of this project,

5284
04:05:45,810 --> 04:05:48,570
I've asked public
services director

5285
04:05:48,570 --> 04:05:51,970
Mills to give a brief overview
of the project for you

5286
04:05:51,970 --> 04:05:53,190
before you ask questions.

5287
04:05:53,190 --> 04:05:54,630
Is that the desire
of the commission,

5288
04:05:54,630 --> 04:05:58,010
or would you like to
just ask questions.

5289
04:05:58,010 --> 04:06:01,470
Frankly, I personally would like
to hear it, but that's fine.

5290
04:06:01,470 --> 04:06:02,510
Yeah no objection.

5291
04:06:02,510 --> 04:06:09,570
OK OK.

5292
04:06:09,570 --> 04:06:10,190
Good evening.

5293
04:06:10,190 --> 04:06:12,170
Mayor commissioners,
for the record, Camden

5294
04:06:12,170 --> 04:06:14,370
Mills public services director.

5295
04:06:14,370 --> 04:06:16,450
So I appreciate the
opportunity tonight

5296
04:06:16,450 --> 04:06:18,850
to provide some
clarification on the proposed

5297
04:06:18,850 --> 04:06:23,250
project for the Boca ciega Bay
stormwater outfall improvements.

5298
04:06:23,250 --> 04:06:27,430
This project is a combination of
three of our capital projects.

5299
04:06:27,430 --> 04:06:29,970
One for the Bella vista
neighborhood, one for the dances

5300
04:06:29,970 --> 04:06:33,460
are and then another for the
pass-a-grille neighborhood.

5301
04:06:33,460 --> 04:06:36,900
We package those
3 into one project

5302
04:06:36,900 --> 04:06:39,260
in the effort of having
economies of scale

5303
04:06:39,260 --> 04:06:41,940
and hopefully
getting better bids.

5304
04:06:41,940 --> 04:06:44,140
So our project
goal with this was

5305
04:06:44,140 --> 04:06:46,960
to improve the city's
ability to access,

5306
04:06:46,960 --> 04:06:51,820
inspect, maintain, and preserve
functionality of tide backflow

5307
04:06:51,820 --> 04:06:54,980
valves at 13 different
locations to help

5308
04:06:54,980 --> 04:06:58,900
reduce sunny day flooding.

5309
04:06:58,900 --> 04:07:00,860
This image that you
see here, this is what

5310
04:07:00,860 --> 04:07:02,600
I mean by sunny day flooding.

5311
04:07:02,600 --> 04:07:05,900
This is where when we have
high tides, elevated water

5312
04:07:05,900 --> 04:07:08,180
in the Bay, that
pressure backflows

5313
04:07:08,180 --> 04:07:09,980
into our stormwater
system and then

5314
04:07:09,980 --> 04:07:13,980
ultimately into our roadways.

5315
04:07:13,980 --> 04:07:16,980
This graph here,
this shows recorded

5316
04:07:16,980 --> 04:07:21,340
water levels near the dances
are place based on a gauge.

5317
04:07:21,340 --> 04:07:24,180
That's out in ST Petersburg.

5318
04:07:24,180 --> 04:07:26,140
You can see here in
the bottom of the chart

5319
04:07:26,140 --> 04:07:29,800
that gray stripe that
represents the existing roadway,

5320
04:07:29,800 --> 04:07:31,430
elevations in that
neighborhood, which

5321
04:07:31,430 --> 04:07:34,870
range from about 1.5 up to 2.5.

5322
04:07:34,870 --> 04:07:36,710
And then that up and down line.

5323
04:07:36,710 --> 04:07:38,710
Those are the
recorded water levels.

5324
04:07:38,710 --> 04:07:42,010
So what this graph demonstrates
is that pretty frequently.

5325
04:07:42,010 --> 04:07:45,150
We have tide elevations that
are higher than our existing

5326
04:07:45,150 --> 04:07:46,690
roadway elevations.

5327
04:07:46,690 --> 04:07:49,270


5328
04:07:49,270 --> 04:07:53,790
This exhibit here, this just
shows an example of the maritana

5329
04:07:53,790 --> 04:07:55,230
neighborhood specifically.

5330
04:07:55,230 --> 04:07:58,550
So you can see here where we
have the roadway that ranges

5331
04:07:58,550 --> 04:08:03,710
in the 1.6 1.7 feet range
and then our seawall up

5332
04:08:03,710 --> 04:08:05,550
at the 5 foot elevation.

5333
04:08:05,550 --> 04:08:07,750
This is a condition
where we have sunny day

5334
04:08:07,750 --> 04:08:10,430
and a low tide and
a no check valve.

5335
04:08:10,430 --> 04:08:14,150
So you can see in this scenario
there is no roadway flooding.

5336
04:08:14,150 --> 04:08:15,950
When we move into
the scenario where

5337
04:08:15,950 --> 04:08:19,730
we do have those high tides
that occur on a monthly basis,

5338
04:08:19,730 --> 04:08:22,030
where those tides are
elevated in our roads,

5339
04:08:22,030 --> 04:08:24,070
in a situation where we
don't have a tide check

5340
04:08:24,070 --> 04:08:27,110
valve in place, that water
would find its elevation

5341
04:08:27,110 --> 04:08:29,680
and the elevation of
the water in the road

5342
04:08:29,680 --> 04:08:34,240
would match that tide
elevation out into the Bay.

5343
04:08:34,240 --> 04:08:36,720
And that's the purpose
of the tide check valve

5344
04:08:36,720 --> 04:08:38,740
there, as you can see
with this example.

5345
04:08:38,740 --> 04:08:41,960
The goal of these tide check
valves is when the Bay Water is

5346
04:08:41,960 --> 04:08:44,720
elevated at an elevation
higher than our roads,

5347
04:08:44,720 --> 04:08:46,600
that tide check
valve is in place

5348
04:08:46,600 --> 04:08:49,920
to help block it so our
roadways don't get flooded.

5349
04:08:49,920 --> 04:08:53,000
Now, important thing that I'd
like to point out with this

5350
04:08:53,000 --> 04:08:57,420
project it is a sunny day
tidal flooding tool to combat.

5351
04:08:57,420 --> 04:09:01,760
It does not address rainfall,
flooding or stormwater flooding.

5352
04:09:01,760 --> 04:09:03,680
So in this scenario,
this is when

5353
04:09:03,680 --> 04:09:06,800
we have a rainy day and a
high tide and no check valve.

5354
04:09:06,800 --> 04:09:08,880
You're going to have
flooding in your roadway.

5355
04:09:08,880 --> 04:09:12,920
But even in this scenario where
it's a rainy day, high tide

5356
04:09:12,920 --> 04:09:14,640
and you do have a
check valve, you're

5357
04:09:14,640 --> 04:09:17,120
still going to have
flooding in that roadway

5358
04:09:17,120 --> 04:09:19,840
until that tide
is able to lower,

5359
04:09:19,840 --> 04:09:22,440
and then that water can
evacuate off the roadway

5360
04:09:22,440 --> 04:09:23,920
and through the system.

5361
04:09:23,920 --> 04:09:25,920
So this is just a
point of clarification

5362
04:09:25,920 --> 04:09:28,470
that the goal of this
project is tidal flooding,

5363
04:09:28,470 --> 04:09:30,890
sunny day flooding,
not necessarily

5364
04:09:30,890 --> 04:09:33,490
rainfall or stormwater.

5365
04:09:33,490 --> 04:09:37,210
This here just gives you a
graphic of some of the existing

5366
04:09:37,210 --> 04:09:38,250
tie check valves.

5367
04:09:38,250 --> 04:09:41,330
So these are what we have
in our current condition.

5368
04:09:41,330 --> 04:09:43,810
These are passive
type valves that

5369
04:09:43,810 --> 04:09:45,610
open when the water
on the back side of it

5370
04:09:45,610 --> 04:09:48,610
is greater than the
pressure on the other side.

5371
04:09:48,610 --> 04:09:51,550
Some of these are installed at
the outfall end of the pipe,

5372
04:09:51,550 --> 04:09:54,130
as you can see at the
picture on the left.

5373
04:09:54,130 --> 04:09:57,250
In a lot of cases, these
are typically submerged.

5374
04:09:57,250 --> 04:09:59,090
These are ones that
we currently use

5375
04:09:59,090 --> 04:10:01,770
commercial divers to maintain.

5376
04:10:01,770 --> 04:10:03,250
And then in the
bottom right corner

5377
04:10:03,250 --> 04:10:06,810
here, this is an example of the
same type of passive tide check

5378
04:10:06,810 --> 04:10:09,390
valve installed in a structure.

5379
04:10:09,390 --> 04:10:12,090
And as you can see in these
current configurations,

5380
04:10:12,090 --> 04:10:15,650
we're able to only really
maintain one side of that valve

5381
04:10:15,650 --> 04:10:17,770
as it's situated
currently, we're

5382
04:10:17,770 --> 04:10:23,570
not able to access both sides of
that valve to clean and inspect.

5383
04:10:23,570 --> 04:10:25,740
With the proposed
those projects.

5384
04:10:25,740 --> 04:10:30,980
We're proposing to install
a concrete vault structure

5385
04:10:30,980 --> 04:10:34,460
box where the tie check valve
would fit inside of that,

5386
04:10:34,460 --> 04:10:35,560
which is shown in blue.

5387
04:10:35,560 --> 04:10:38,380
Here, that tie check
valve in section of pipe

5388
04:10:38,380 --> 04:10:40,240
would be able to
be disconnected.

5389
04:10:40,240 --> 04:10:43,180
And lifted up out of that vault,
which would allow us to be

5390
04:10:43,180 --> 04:10:45,660
able to maintain both
sides of that valve,

5391
04:10:45,660 --> 04:10:47,220
but would also
give us the ability

5392
04:10:47,220 --> 04:10:52,100
to maintain landside rather than
having to maintain in the water.

5393
04:10:52,100 --> 04:10:53,820
As you can see in
this graph here

5394
04:10:53,820 --> 04:10:56,220
where I've highlighted
the lines with orange,

5395
04:10:56,220 --> 04:10:58,100
those are hatch doors.

5396
04:10:58,100 --> 04:10:59,400
So those would be at grade.

5397
04:10:59,400 --> 04:11:00,800
Those doors would
be able to open up.

5398
04:11:00,800 --> 04:11:05,340
And then we'd be able to get
inside that vault to access it.

5399
04:11:05,340 --> 04:11:09,480
This image here, this just shows
a typical baffle structure.

5400
04:11:09,480 --> 04:11:13,500
The purpose of these
is to catch debris,

5401
04:11:13,500 --> 04:11:15,460
sediment and any
floatables before it

5402
04:11:15,460 --> 04:11:17,100
gets to the tie check valve.

5403
04:11:17,100 --> 04:11:20,540
So the purpose of
here is if we had,

5404
04:11:20,540 --> 04:11:22,540
tree limbs or different
types of debris that

5405
04:11:22,540 --> 04:11:23,930
would get caught in that valve.

5406
04:11:23,930 --> 04:11:25,990
We installed these type
of baffle structures

5407
04:11:25,990 --> 04:11:28,590
upstream to try to
capture that, so it

5408
04:11:28,590 --> 04:11:31,310
doesn't decrease
the functionality

5409
04:11:31,310 --> 04:11:33,550
of the check valve.

5410
04:11:33,550 --> 04:11:35,270
So with this project,
we are looking

5411
04:11:35,270 --> 04:11:38,870
at two different locations in
the Bella vista neighborhood.

5412
04:11:38,870 --> 04:11:40,710
As shown here on the map.

5413
04:11:40,710 --> 04:11:41,970
This image on the right.

5414
04:11:41,970 --> 04:11:43,990
This is just an excerpt
from the construction

5415
04:11:43,990 --> 04:11:45,630
plans for this project.

5416
04:11:45,630 --> 04:11:48,430
The orange lines is the
existing storm pipe.

5417
04:11:48,430 --> 04:11:51,250
And you can see where
we with that gray box.

5418
04:11:51,250 --> 04:11:54,750
That's what we're proposing
for that check valve

5419
04:11:54,750 --> 04:11:57,070
vault vault structure
which can be

5420
04:11:57,070 --> 04:11:58,970
accessible with our utilities.

5421
04:11:58,970 --> 04:12:01,790
Crane truck from the roadway.

5422
04:12:01,790 --> 04:12:05,150
We're also looking at five
different locations in dancer.

5423
04:12:05,150 --> 04:12:06,750
These are the
locations that already

5424
04:12:06,750 --> 04:12:09,510
have an elevated seawall.

5425
04:12:09,510 --> 04:12:12,110
As you can see here on
the image of the left.

5426
04:12:12,110 --> 04:12:15,030
This is the Don Jose location.

5427
04:12:15,030 --> 04:12:18,230
And that or that red box
that's hatched out that

5428
04:12:18,230 --> 04:12:21,190
will be about the footprint of
where that maintenance valve box

5429
04:12:21,190 --> 04:12:22,690
would be in those locations.

5430
04:12:22,690 --> 04:12:24,950
So we're putting them
immediately downstream

5431
04:12:24,950 --> 04:12:28,230
of the existing curb inlets.

5432
04:12:28,230 --> 04:12:31,030
And then we're also looking
at six different locations

5433
04:12:31,030 --> 04:12:32,270
in pass-a-grille.

5434
04:12:32,270 --> 04:12:34,550
The pass-a-grille tie check
valves were installed around

5435
04:12:34,550 --> 04:12:37,910
the 2016 2017 time frame.

5436
04:12:37,910 --> 04:12:39,550
And we're seeing
similar type of issues

5437
04:12:39,550 --> 04:12:41,310
where we still
have tidal flooding

5438
04:12:41,310 --> 04:12:43,210
in their current configuration.

5439
04:12:43,210 --> 04:12:48,390
They're difficult to maintain
with our existing staff.

5440
04:12:48,390 --> 04:12:51,150
So the project
budget for this, we

5441
04:12:51,150 --> 04:12:53,570
through the city's capital
improvement plan funding,

5442
04:12:53,570 --> 04:12:58,430
we had about $1.7 million
remaining for this project that

5443
04:12:58,430 --> 04:13:01,090
comes from our local
flooding mitigation fund,

5444
04:13:01,090 --> 04:13:04,270
as well as our water
quality improvement fund.

5445
04:13:04,270 --> 04:13:07,830
When we put this project out to
bid, we did receive two bids.

5446
04:13:07,830 --> 04:13:10,870
The low bid that met the
qualifications of our criteria

5447
04:13:10,870 --> 04:13:14,110
was about $1.1 million.

5448
04:13:14,110 --> 04:13:16,130
A million of that
is for construction,

5449
04:13:16,130 --> 04:13:17,950
and then about
$100,000 of that is

5450
04:13:17,950 --> 04:13:20,680
for contingencies
for any unforeseen

5451
04:13:20,680 --> 04:13:22,720
or unknowns that may arise.

5452
04:13:22,720 --> 04:13:26,640
So the proposed project
is within the budgeted

5453
04:13:26,640 --> 04:13:29,840
funds through our SIP.

5454
04:13:29,840 --> 04:13:31,800
And then discussing
with our operations team

5455
04:13:31,800 --> 04:13:34,240
and evaluating what
the operations impact

5456
04:13:34,240 --> 04:13:36,120
would be of this project.

5457
04:13:36,120 --> 04:13:39,120
First is increase our
ability for maintenance.

5458
04:13:39,120 --> 04:13:42,520
So this would reduce our
needs for commercial divers

5459
04:13:42,520 --> 04:13:45,320
and give us the ability to
maintain these check valves

5460
04:13:45,320 --> 04:13:47,720
in-house with our crane truck.

5461
04:13:47,720 --> 04:13:50,640
And then also preserve the
functionality of these check

5462
04:13:50,640 --> 04:13:53,360
valves, being able
to access them

5463
04:13:53,360 --> 04:13:55,920
from land where we can
maintain both sides

5464
04:13:55,920 --> 04:13:57,400
of those check valves.

5465
04:13:57,400 --> 04:13:58,960
And then also
having those baffle

5466
04:13:58,960 --> 04:14:01,520
structures that catch
the debris upstream

5467
04:14:01,520 --> 04:14:03,360
before it gets to those valves.

5468
04:14:03,360 --> 04:14:06,060
Ultimately, these are the two
main goals of this project,

5469
04:14:06,060 --> 04:14:08,520
is to increase our
ability to maintain

5470
04:14:08,520 --> 04:14:12,560
and then preserve functionality
of those check valves.

5471
04:14:12,560 --> 04:14:20,770
With that, I'm happy to answer
any questions Mr. Robinson.

5472
04:14:20,770 --> 04:14:24,250
I just wanted to make
sure that I guess

5473
04:14:24,250 --> 04:14:30,310
my question revolves around this
project hasn't been maintained.

5474
04:14:30,310 --> 04:14:35,770
So that's where we're at
right now trying to do that.

5475
04:14:35,770 --> 04:14:39,450
But is it a project.

5476
04:14:39,450 --> 04:14:41,010
Does this work.

5477
04:14:41,010 --> 04:14:43,870
I mean, if it's
maintained, is it work.

5478
04:14:43,870 --> 04:14:47,450
Are you confident in its
ability to do the job.

5479
04:14:47,450 --> 04:14:51,370
I am confident that this project
would increase our ability

5480
04:14:51,370 --> 04:14:53,990
to maintain these
check valves which,

5481
04:14:53,990 --> 04:14:55,430
which we don't currently have.

5482
04:14:55,430 --> 04:14:57,650
And are there any
other solutions

5483
04:14:57,650 --> 04:15:03,230
for the issues at hand for the
flooding for tidal flooding.

5484
04:15:03,230 --> 04:15:06,310
This is really the best option
that we have at hand right now.

5485
04:15:06,310 --> 04:15:07,810
I mean, ultimately
down the road we

5486
04:15:07,810 --> 04:15:11,610
would look for pump stations
for to try to evacuate some

5487
04:15:11,610 --> 04:15:13,170
of that water,
especially when we look

5488
04:15:13,170 --> 04:15:15,460
at the rainfall type problem.

5489
04:15:15,460 --> 04:15:17,980
But this is a type of solution.

5490
04:15:17,980 --> 04:15:20,880
Then we vetted this through
other communities as well.

5491
04:15:20,880 --> 04:15:23,220
Fort Lauderdale,
ST Augustine, some

5492
04:15:23,220 --> 04:15:24,500
of these other
coastal communities

5493
04:15:24,500 --> 04:15:26,520
that have similar issues.

5494
04:15:26,520 --> 04:15:29,780
And they've all kind of came
we started out with the check

5495
04:15:29,780 --> 04:15:32,420
valves on the pipe end,
and then we moved to more

5496
04:15:32,420 --> 04:15:33,760
of an in-line type valve.

5497
04:15:33,760 --> 04:15:36,140
And this is kind of what
people are moving to is closer

5498
04:15:36,140 --> 04:15:38,300
to the roadway,
something in a vault that

5499
04:15:38,300 --> 04:15:41,620
isn't dependent on
maintenance underwater.

5500
04:15:41,620 --> 04:15:45,460
I just want to make sure that
it's not a Band-Aid, that we're

5501
04:15:45,460 --> 04:15:48,100
not spending this type
of money for a Band-Aid,

5502
04:15:48,100 --> 04:15:51,840
and we're going to be down the
road going, oh, we spent this,

5503
04:15:51,840 --> 04:15:53,780
but we need to do this now.

5504
04:15:53,780 --> 04:15:56,180
I'm just trying to
think of the big picture

5505
04:15:56,180 --> 04:16:03,900
on here versus if there was
something that was a better

5506
04:16:03,900 --> 04:16:07,700
option, let's say,
then my question

5507
04:16:07,700 --> 04:16:10,940
would be how much does it
cost to have divers go in

5508
04:16:10,940 --> 04:16:11,800
and do this.

5509
04:16:11,800 --> 04:16:14,830
And what is the
maintenance schedule

5510
04:16:14,830 --> 04:16:17,710
for something like this.

5511
04:16:17,710 --> 04:16:21,690
So I think this is the best tool
that we can do for a low cost,

5512
04:16:21,690 --> 04:16:23,370
near-term type improvement.

5513
04:16:23,370 --> 04:16:25,990
I mean, ultimately, we would
move into to storm water pump

5514
04:16:25,990 --> 04:16:27,810
stations to help with
our flooding issues,

5515
04:16:27,810 --> 04:16:30,170
but that's drastically
more costly.

5516
04:16:30,170 --> 04:16:32,250
And design and
permitting required.

5517
04:16:32,250 --> 04:16:35,270
So I think this is a good
step as we move towards move

5518
04:16:35,270 --> 04:16:37,750
towards that long term plan.

5519
04:16:37,750 --> 04:16:42,550
Maintenance wise, if we were
to use commercial divers,

5520
04:16:42,550 --> 04:16:43,950
we would think this
would cost about

5521
04:16:43,950 --> 04:16:48,050
$200,000 a year to be able to
maintain with commercial divers.

5522
04:16:48,050 --> 04:16:50,390
But with that you're
still only maintaining

5523
04:16:50,390 --> 04:16:52,230
one side of the valve.

5524
04:16:52,230 --> 04:16:53,050
Post storm.

5525
04:16:53,050 --> 04:16:54,910
We did some cleaning
of the valves

5526
04:16:54,910 --> 04:16:57,230
in the pass-a-grille
neighborhood.

5527
04:16:57,230 --> 04:16:59,970
We witnessed that they were
covered with barnacles.

5528
04:16:59,970 --> 04:17:01,290
So we cleaned
those barnacles up.

5529
04:17:01,290 --> 04:17:03,350
And then the dive report
said, well, the valve still

5530
04:17:03,350 --> 04:17:05,870
wasn't completely sealing shut.

5531
04:17:05,870 --> 04:17:09,030
Those type of problems,
would be easily handled if we

5532
04:17:09,030 --> 04:17:13,120
could maintain them on land.

5533
04:17:13,120 --> 04:17:14,900
I think that was
my big question.

5534
04:17:14,900 --> 04:17:17,520
I just want to make sure
we're not looking at band-aids

5535
04:17:17,520 --> 04:17:19,400
for something that we're
going to end up spending

5536
04:17:19,400 --> 04:17:20,780
a lot of money down the road.

5537
04:17:20,780 --> 04:17:24,240
And what do you think the life
expectancy of this for now,

5538
04:17:24,240 --> 04:17:27,340
the vault structure itself would
have a long life expectancy.

5539
04:17:27,340 --> 04:17:29,340
I mean, that we would
expect 30 plus years.

5540
04:17:29,340 --> 04:17:31,480
The tide check
valves themselves.

5541
04:17:31,480 --> 04:17:33,680
That's something we're
going to have to evaluate

5542
04:17:33,680 --> 04:17:35,600
through this project.

5543
04:17:35,600 --> 04:17:37,640
Hopefully we'll be
able to extend the life

5544
04:17:37,640 --> 04:17:40,040
of these tide check valves.

5545
04:17:40,040 --> 04:17:42,560
Being that we are going to be
able to maintain them better

5546
04:17:42,560 --> 04:17:44,520
than we have in the past.

5547
04:17:44,520 --> 04:17:47,640
But that's something that we're
going to have to evaluate as we

5548
04:17:47,640 --> 04:17:50,440
maintain is exactly how often
are we going to have to replace

5549
04:17:50,440 --> 04:17:53,100
these rubber tide check valves.

5550
04:17:53,100 --> 04:17:56,620
I think in five years, 10
years, I'm hoping 5 to 10 years.

5551
04:17:56,620 --> 04:17:59,040
Yeah and the cost
on that is they

5552
04:17:59,040 --> 04:18:01,620
range from about
depending on diameter.

5553
04:18:01,620 --> 04:18:05,200
There are about $10,000
to $20,000 a piece.

5554
04:18:05,200 --> 04:18:11,250
The maintenance for a
new to replace the valve,

5555
04:18:11,250 --> 04:18:14,370
just making sure it's another.

5556
04:18:14,370 --> 04:18:18,530
We have also discussed this
with the city of ST Petersburg

5557
04:18:18,530 --> 04:18:20,090
and discussing some
of the challenges

5558
04:18:20,090 --> 04:18:22,470
they have in the maintenance
of tide check valves.

5559
04:18:22,470 --> 04:18:25,290
And they also reiterated
to us that, having them

5560
04:18:25,290 --> 04:18:28,450
in these maintenance valve
structures closer to the road is

5561
04:18:28,450 --> 04:18:30,950
gives you the best ability
to have a functioning.

5562
04:18:30,950 --> 04:18:31,790
It makes sense.

5563
04:18:31,790 --> 04:18:33,450
Again, I just want
to make sure we're

5564
04:18:33,450 --> 04:18:37,290
spending the money wisely
and getting what we need

5565
04:18:37,290 --> 04:18:40,210
to get out of it for everybody.

5566
04:18:40,210 --> 04:18:41,610
Thank you.

5567
04:18:41,610 --> 04:18:43,450
Thank you, Commissioner Causey.

5568
04:18:43,450 --> 04:18:47,570
Yeah, I am still unclear
on the maintenance schedule

5569
04:18:47,570 --> 04:18:52,170
that you believe will keep
the barnacles from being

5570
04:18:52,170 --> 04:18:57,850
a problem on the redesign
that the modification

5571
04:18:57,850 --> 04:18:59,770
you're talking about.

5572
04:18:59,770 --> 04:19:01,490
That's going to be
something that we're

5573
04:19:01,490 --> 04:19:04,690
going to have to
adjust as we see

5574
04:19:04,690 --> 04:19:08,360
these conditions initially we're
going to try to start quarterly.

5575
04:19:08,360 --> 04:19:09,400
That's going to be our goal.

5576
04:19:09,400 --> 04:19:12,340
But if we need to if that
has to move to twice a year,

5577
04:19:12,340 --> 04:19:12,840
we'll do that.

5578
04:19:12,840 --> 04:19:15,200
If that has to move to
monthly, we'll outline that.

5579
04:19:15,200 --> 04:19:19,660
But our maintenance plan
right now is in the past

5580
04:19:19,660 --> 04:19:20,640
has been non-existent.

5581
04:19:20,640 --> 04:19:21,980
So this is something
we're developing

5582
04:19:21,980 --> 04:19:24,560
and we're going to have to
evaluate and adjust as needed.

5583
04:19:24,560 --> 04:19:27,660


5584
04:19:27,660 --> 04:19:29,460
So are we still going
to need the divers

5585
04:19:29,460 --> 04:19:31,860
to come out and clean
the outsides of them

5586
04:19:31,860 --> 04:19:33,040
at the outfalls?

5587
04:19:33,040 --> 04:19:36,540
We would we're looking at
purchasing a John boat so we can

5588
04:19:36,540 --> 04:19:39,500
help perform some of that
outfall maintenance in-house

5589
04:19:39,500 --> 04:19:42,060
rather than using divers.

5590
04:19:42,060 --> 04:19:44,260
But yeah, outfall ends
of pipes may still need

5591
04:19:44,260 --> 04:19:45,880
to be maintained with divers.

5592
04:19:45,880 --> 04:19:47,600
That's where we could use
it without a check valve.

5593
04:19:47,600 --> 04:19:48,100
I'm sorry.

5594
04:19:48,100 --> 04:19:49,280
Just with or without
a check valve.

5595
04:19:49,280 --> 04:19:51,540
Yes yeah.

5596
04:19:51,540 --> 04:19:53,420
OK I'm sorry.

5597
04:19:53,420 --> 04:19:57,220
Yeah I mean, that's the problem
with the original installation

5598
04:19:57,220 --> 04:19:59,140
is you literally
couldn't maintain

5599
04:19:59,140 --> 04:20:00,920
it because of the bad design.

5600
04:20:00,920 --> 04:20:05,040
So we just don't want to
have another bad design.

5601
04:20:05,040 --> 04:20:07,790
So we have the
engineering company

5602
04:20:07,790 --> 04:20:12,150
is going to do this install, but
they are also vetting what we

5603
04:20:12,150 --> 04:20:15,030
have as the proposed design or.

5604
04:20:15,030 --> 04:20:18,590
Yes yeah, we did have an
engineering consultant that

5605
04:20:18,590 --> 04:20:20,830
engineered this
design and signed

5606
04:20:20,830 --> 04:20:23,390
and sealed these plans with
their professional engineering

5607
04:20:23,390 --> 04:20:24,090
license.

5608
04:20:24,090 --> 04:20:26,790


5609
04:20:26,790 --> 04:20:31,070
So are we still spending the
$200,000 a year for the diving

5610
04:20:31,070 --> 04:20:32,890
divers for maintenance.

5611
04:20:32,890 --> 04:20:34,970
That's to be
determined right now.

5612
04:20:34,970 --> 04:20:37,390
That contract is
currently out for bid.

5613
04:20:37,390 --> 04:20:39,770
So we'll see what those
prices come back at.

5614
04:20:39,770 --> 04:20:42,330
But yes, but the answer
is yes thereabouts.

5615
04:20:42,330 --> 04:20:46,670
Our plan would be to keep
diving, keep cleaning

5616
04:20:46,670 --> 04:20:50,430
these outfalls as well as
the vac trucks that you see,

5617
04:20:50,430 --> 04:20:52,650
driving the street is
continual maintenance.

5618
04:20:52,650 --> 04:20:53,990
I'm all for the maintenance.

5619
04:20:53,990 --> 04:20:54,490
Trust me.

5620
04:20:54,490 --> 04:20:56,230
I'm all for the
maintenance on that.

5621
04:20:56,230 --> 04:20:57,630
Yeah sorry.

5622
04:20:57,630 --> 04:20:59,230
Let me just finish.

5623
04:20:59,230 --> 04:20:59,770
Thank you.

5624
04:20:59,770 --> 04:21:00,490
Yeah, yeah.

5625
04:21:00,490 --> 04:21:04,840
So I am definitely all
for spending the money.

5626
04:21:04,840 --> 04:21:08,320
I think that this can
be part of a solution

5627
04:21:08,320 --> 04:21:10,400
that we're going
to need for more

5628
04:21:10,400 --> 04:21:14,440
funding, like for our other
infrastructure things.

5629
04:21:14,440 --> 04:21:17,080
So whatever we
need to spend, I'm

5630
04:21:17,080 --> 04:21:19,960
committed to not
having salt water

5631
04:21:19,960 --> 04:21:22,420
on the city streets,
but not just salt water.

5632
04:21:22,420 --> 04:21:24,360
I think that there
shouldn't be a foot

5633
04:21:24,360 --> 04:21:26,560
of Rainwater that's
sitting on our streets

5634
04:21:26,560 --> 04:21:29,160
waiting for low tide.

5635
04:21:29,160 --> 04:21:32,420
So I just think that is
something, as a city,

5636
04:21:32,420 --> 04:21:36,420
I would like to see us adopt
and have that as a standard,

5637
04:21:36,420 --> 04:21:39,800
that we're not going to
have giant pools of water

5638
04:21:39,800 --> 04:21:40,820
sitting on the streets.

5639
04:21:40,820 --> 04:21:44,180
And as I've gone around for four
months now and talked to people,

5640
04:21:44,180 --> 04:21:47,600
this is one of the biggest
frustrations throughout all

5641
04:21:47,600 --> 04:21:54,200
of district 3 is the bad grading
or else dirty storm drains

5642
04:21:54,200 --> 04:21:57,920
or that have barnacles
in them because they've

5643
04:21:57,920 --> 04:22:01,490
been under the sea level.

5644
04:22:01,490 --> 04:22:05,790
And also not having maintenance
on the outfall valve.

5645
04:22:05,790 --> 04:22:08,770
So we're going to
do a redesign now

5646
04:22:08,770 --> 04:22:11,150
and we're going to do work
on this outfall valve.

5647
04:22:11,150 --> 04:22:14,410
I just think it's important
to undersell this idea

5648
04:22:14,410 --> 04:22:17,050
to the people that
we're trying to help,

5649
04:22:17,050 --> 04:22:20,490
that you're still going
to have a lot of water

5650
04:22:20,490 --> 04:22:23,450
on a thunderstorm,
which we have every day.

5651
04:22:23,450 --> 04:22:28,130
If it's high tide, because this
doesn't solve rain problems.

5652
04:22:28,130 --> 04:22:28,870
That's correct.

5653
04:22:28,870 --> 04:22:29,970
Yeah understood.

5654
04:22:29,970 --> 04:22:32,010
So I just want that to be clear.

5655
04:22:32,010 --> 04:22:35,010
Yes, sir.

5656
04:22:35,010 --> 04:22:36,130
Any questions.

5657
04:22:36,130 --> 04:22:39,210
OK I had one more thing.

5658
04:22:39,210 --> 04:22:45,650
Wasn't 625,000 of this covered
via grant that was a different

5659
04:22:45,650 --> 04:22:48,810
that grant was for a different
project that was specifically

5660
04:22:48,810 --> 04:22:51,970
for the three locations in
the Don Cesar that don't have

5661
04:22:51,970 --> 04:22:53,830
the elevated seawalls.

5662
04:22:53,830 --> 04:22:55,950
It was for those
locations as well.

5663
04:22:55,950 --> 04:22:56,770
It's those.

5664
04:22:56,770 --> 04:23:01,980
And those are we looking at
doing anything with those others

5665
04:23:01,980 --> 04:23:03,500
on this program as well.

5666
04:23:03,500 --> 04:23:06,660
Those are in the program as well
as part of this design, that one

5667
04:23:06,660 --> 04:23:09,460
we're getting ready to put out
to bid to see what construction

5668
04:23:09,460 --> 04:23:10,600
numbers come back with.

5669
04:23:10,600 --> 04:23:12,700
And then we'll
present that to you.

5670
04:23:12,700 --> 04:23:14,700
Thank you.

5671
04:23:14,700 --> 04:23:17,340
Just one more question
for you, please.

5672
04:23:17,340 --> 04:23:19,880
You mentioned needing
divers for the maintenance.

5673
04:23:19,880 --> 04:23:21,500
I assume that's
when we have a check

5674
04:23:21,500 --> 04:23:23,000
valve in place on those pipes.

5675
04:23:23,000 --> 04:23:24,600
We'll need divers
for maintenance.

5676
04:23:24,600 --> 04:23:27,180
Or if there's not a check
valve, do we still need divers

5677
04:23:27,180 --> 04:23:29,620
for the maintenance if it's.

5678
04:23:29,620 --> 04:23:31,240
They'd be where we
have check valves.

5679
04:23:31,240 --> 04:23:33,380
So in the city I think
throughout we have about

5680
04:23:33,380 --> 04:23:34,840
40 different check valves.

5681
04:23:34,840 --> 04:23:38,140
So we do have several locations
where this new design won't be

5682
04:23:38,140 --> 04:23:41,660
implemented, that we would still
be dependent on our old means

5683
04:23:41,660 --> 04:23:43,780
of maintaining, and we
still have some that

5684
04:23:43,780 --> 04:23:45,000
don't have check valves at all.

5685
04:23:45,000 --> 04:23:47,000
And theoretically they
don't need a diver.

5686
04:23:47,000 --> 04:23:50,360
They just need those you
can clean from the street.

5687
04:23:50,360 --> 04:23:50,920
From the street.

5688
04:23:50,920 --> 04:23:52,073
Yeah coincidentally
just witnessed

5689
04:23:52,073 --> 04:23:53,040
it at my house the other day.

5690
04:23:53,040 --> 04:23:54,060
So thank you.

5691
04:23:54,060 --> 04:23:54,620
All right.

5692
04:23:54,620 --> 04:23:55,120
Very good.

5693
04:23:55,120 --> 04:23:55,820
Thank you.

5694
04:23:55,820 --> 04:23:57,900
Yep.

5695
04:23:57,900 --> 04:23:58,400
OK.

5696
04:23:58,400 --> 04:24:02,780


5697
04:24:02,780 --> 04:24:05,980
Do we have a motion.

5698
04:24:05,980 --> 04:24:08,700
I'll make a motion to authorize
the city manager to execute

5699
04:24:08,700 --> 04:24:11,860
a service agreement with BCS
construction group for the Boca

5700
04:24:11,860 --> 04:24:14,380
ciega stormwater
outfall improvements

5701
04:24:14,380 --> 04:24:16,500
capital project
in the amount not

5702
04:24:16,500 --> 04:24:24,180
to exceed $1,173,370 I second.

5703
04:24:24,180 --> 04:24:25,660
Mayor Tate.

5704
04:24:25,660 --> 04:24:26,840
Yes vice mayor.

5705
04:24:26,840 --> 04:24:28,100
Marriott yes.

5706
04:24:28,100 --> 04:24:29,280
Commissioner Robinson.

5707
04:24:29,280 --> 04:24:30,900
Yes, Commissioner.

5708
04:24:30,900 --> 04:24:31,960
Yes commissioner.

5709
04:24:31,960 --> 04:24:33,280
Maldonado yes.

5710
04:24:33,280 --> 04:24:34,320
The motion carries.

5711
04:24:34,320 --> 04:24:40,300


5712
04:24:40,300 --> 04:24:41,480
OK thank you.

5713
04:24:41,480 --> 04:24:47,220
I think the next is our action
item on the resolution 2020 607

5714
04:24:47,220 --> 04:24:48,940
for establishing and
amending public parking

5715
04:24:48,940 --> 04:24:51,980
fees, a resolution of the city
commission of the city of ST

5716
04:24:51,980 --> 04:24:54,940
Pete Beach to establish a
parking rate fee schedule

5717
04:24:54,940 --> 04:24:57,950
and providing for
an effective date.

5718
04:24:57,950 --> 04:24:59,530
Good evening, Mayor
and commissioners.

5719
04:24:59,530 --> 04:25:01,630
Adam Boyer, assistant
city manager.

5720
04:25:01,630 --> 04:25:03,650
This is a project we've been
working on for a long time.

5721
04:25:03,650 --> 04:25:05,250
We have some new members
on the commission,

5722
04:25:05,250 --> 04:25:08,470
so I just wanted to back up just
a little bit, just to give you

5723
04:25:08,470 --> 04:25:11,910
a little bit of history of where
we're at and why we got here

5724
04:25:11,910 --> 04:25:13,630
and how we got here.

5725
04:25:13,630 --> 04:25:16,230
About 2025, we did a
parking action plan

5726
04:25:16,230 --> 04:25:18,990
with a third party vendor
that came in and evaluated

5727
04:25:18,990 --> 04:25:21,030
our parking system.

5728
04:25:21,030 --> 04:25:23,510
Part of that was
several recommendations,

5729
04:25:23,510 --> 04:25:25,310
some of them tied
to fee enhancements

5730
04:25:25,310 --> 04:25:28,270
as far as parking
fees and fines.

5731
04:25:28,270 --> 04:25:31,270
So what we did was
we put together,

5732
04:25:31,270 --> 04:25:34,550
with a lack of a better word,
an A Old Orchard list of fee

5733
04:25:34,550 --> 04:25:38,550
enhancements that were you may
be able to gain some revenue,

5734
04:25:38,550 --> 04:25:40,830
you may be able
to help turnover.

5735
04:25:40,830 --> 04:25:43,550
And we presented that to the
finance and budget review

5736
04:25:43,550 --> 04:25:46,590
board at one of their
meetings that resulted

5737
04:25:46,590 --> 04:25:51,030
in a list of recommendations to
bring to you all, which we did

5738
04:25:51,030 --> 04:25:54,660
bring those to the previous
commission at the last meeting,

5739
04:25:54,660 --> 04:25:56,680
I believe.

5740
04:25:56,680 --> 04:25:58,720
So the resolution that
you have in front of you

5741
04:25:58,720 --> 04:26:01,720
is a result of
those two meetings

5742
04:26:01,720 --> 04:26:04,240
and what we were asked to
bring back to the commission

5743
04:26:04,240 --> 04:26:06,680
for your consideration tonight.

5744
04:26:06,680 --> 04:26:09,400
I've heard some questions,
in the community where

5745
04:26:09,400 --> 04:26:10,980
some of these things came from.

5746
04:26:10,980 --> 04:26:13,340
And a lot of them, when you look
at the list in front of you,

5747
04:26:13,340 --> 04:26:15,200
the sunset pricing,
a lot of those

5748
04:26:15,200 --> 04:26:17,280
were recommendations that
were made by the parking

5749
04:26:17,280 --> 04:26:19,240
action plan for us to explore.

5750
04:26:19,240 --> 04:26:22,560
So that's why we as a staff went
through and ran some numbers

5751
04:26:22,560 --> 04:26:24,320
and just wanted to
provide you with as

5752
04:26:24,320 --> 04:26:29,080
much information as possible
to make your decision base.

5753
04:26:29,080 --> 04:26:32,120
I will tell you that some of
the technology that we have,

5754
04:26:32,120 --> 04:26:35,180
the data is not
fantastic in some cases.

5755
04:26:35,180 --> 04:26:36,540
So some of them are estimates.

5756
04:26:36,540 --> 04:26:38,280
So a lot of them are estimates.

5757
04:26:38,280 --> 04:26:38,780
In fact.

5758
04:26:38,780 --> 04:26:40,700
So like I explained to
the previous commission,

5759
04:26:40,700 --> 04:26:43,640
the dollar amounts that we have
there are not exact figures

5760
04:26:43,640 --> 04:26:45,200
that you're going to capture.

5761
04:26:45,200 --> 04:26:48,980
We certainly had some data
limitations in that aspect.

5762
04:26:48,980 --> 04:26:51,530
So I just want to flip
through each one just

5763
04:26:51,530 --> 04:26:53,730
quickly just a
reminder for those

5764
04:26:53,730 --> 04:26:57,690
that were on commission and just
an update for our new members.

5765
04:26:57,690 --> 04:27:01,090
The sunset pricing, what that
does is increase the hourly

5766
04:27:01,090 --> 04:27:04,930
rate by $1 after 4:00.

5767
04:27:04,930 --> 04:27:08,570
And you see the estimated impact
on that seasonal pricing is

5768
04:27:08,570 --> 04:27:10,770
raising it by $1 for
what we would say

5769
04:27:10,770 --> 04:27:13,930
are in-season, where we're
about 34% of our parking revenue

5770
04:27:13,930 --> 04:27:14,470
comes from.

5771
04:27:14,470 --> 04:27:21,850
And that's February
1 through April 30.

5772
04:27:21,850 --> 04:27:24,370
The currently right
now our parking rates

5773
04:27:24,370 --> 04:27:26,350
are not consistent
across the whole beach.

5774
04:27:26,350 --> 04:27:28,790
The County parking lot
has as a different rate.

5775
04:27:28,790 --> 04:27:31,730
So that third option
is to basically

5776
04:27:31,730 --> 04:27:34,770
standardize our city
rate throughout all

5777
04:27:34,770 --> 04:27:36,650
the parking facilities.

5778
04:27:36,650 --> 04:27:39,810
The next one is just a
general increase of $0.50 per

5779
04:27:39,810 --> 04:27:42,650
hour at all of our facilities.

5780
04:27:42,650 --> 04:27:46,490
Currently, weekends are
considered Saturday and Sunday.

5781
04:27:46,490 --> 04:27:48,810
Your next option
increases the weekend

5782
04:27:48,810 --> 04:27:50,960
by adding Friday
as a weekend day,

5783
04:27:50,960 --> 04:27:52,900
and not just
Saturday and Sunday.

5784
04:27:52,900 --> 04:27:54,700
And then the last
option that you

5785
04:27:54,700 --> 04:27:56,900
see on there is increasing
the right now we have

5786
04:27:56,900 --> 04:27:59,640
a flat holiday rate of $25.

5787
04:27:59,640 --> 04:28:01,080
This would raise it to 40.

5788
04:28:01,080 --> 04:28:02,580
This is one we made a
little bit of change

5789
04:28:02,580 --> 04:28:04,660
with staff, because
there was some discussion

5790
04:28:04,660 --> 04:28:08,900
with the old commission,
the previous commission,

5791
04:28:08,900 --> 04:28:12,740
regarding the
holiday rates, and we

5792
04:28:12,740 --> 04:28:14,300
didn't feel comfortable
that we had the data

5793
04:28:14,300 --> 04:28:15,800
to present that back to you.

5794
04:28:15,800 --> 04:28:18,020
So what our recommendation
is staff would be,

5795
04:28:18,020 --> 04:28:19,040
is to adopt this.

5796
04:28:19,040 --> 04:28:22,300
We put the language in there
on a case by case basis.

5797
04:28:22,300 --> 04:28:25,540
We would like to keep the hourly
rate through the three upcoming

5798
04:28:25,540 --> 04:28:27,740
holidays, which
would be Memorial,

5799
04:28:27,740 --> 04:28:31,520
4th of July and Labor Day, to
be able to provide you data.

5800
04:28:31,520 --> 04:28:35,460
What it looks like if we did the
flat rate in 2025 versus just

5801
04:28:35,460 --> 04:28:40,180
keeping the hourly rate in
2026 and not charging a holiday

5802
04:28:40,180 --> 04:28:41,780
rate during those
time periods, we

5803
04:28:41,780 --> 04:28:43,940
felt like that would be
really the only fair way

5804
04:28:43,940 --> 04:28:48,550
to show you the data on what
that would look like if we

5805
04:28:48,550 --> 04:28:50,310
didn't use a holiday rate.

5806
04:28:50,310 --> 04:28:52,950
The other thing that was brought
up at the previous commission

5807
04:28:52,950 --> 04:28:54,830
was a special event rate.

5808
04:28:54,830 --> 04:28:57,230
So we did change the
terminology in there

5809
04:28:57,230 --> 04:28:59,750
and say holiday
special event rate.

5810
04:28:59,750 --> 04:29:03,010
We put a range in there and
said case by case basis.

5811
04:29:03,010 --> 04:29:04,630
And that just gives
you all the flexibility

5812
04:29:04,630 --> 04:29:07,990
that if you decide there's
a large scale special event

5813
04:29:07,990 --> 04:29:11,550
that you want to change
your pay structure for,

5814
04:29:11,550 --> 04:29:13,950
we can do it more
readily to meet whatever

5815
04:29:13,950 --> 04:29:15,050
you all would like us to do.

5816
04:29:15,050 --> 04:29:18,510
And again, that not just tied
to obviously not just tied

5817
04:29:18,510 --> 04:29:20,390
to revenue enhancement,
that's also

5818
04:29:20,390 --> 04:29:22,630
tied to controlling our
parking out here, controlling

5819
04:29:22,630 --> 04:29:24,050
traffic, things of that nature.

5820
04:29:24,050 --> 04:29:28,010
So, a lot of components, not
just revenue enhancement.

5821
04:29:28,010 --> 04:29:32,150
So the two items that we did
discuss at the last meeting that

5822
04:29:32,150 --> 04:29:34,830
were not recommended by
finance and budget review,

5823
04:29:34,830 --> 04:29:36,870
and we didn't feel
we had consensus

5824
04:29:36,870 --> 04:29:38,410
from the previous
commission on that.

5825
04:29:38,410 --> 04:29:42,950
You don't see on your option
list is a transaction fees.

5826
04:29:42,950 --> 04:29:46,040
So that would be basically
we don't have a cash option

5827
04:29:46,040 --> 04:29:48,960
anymore, so that
every time a customer

5828
04:29:48,960 --> 04:29:52,120
uses a credit card, which is
every time they pay for parking,

5829
04:29:52,120 --> 04:29:55,920
there is a transaction fee
that right now the city pays.

5830
04:29:55,920 --> 04:29:58,020
It's different because we
have two different vendors.

5831
04:29:58,020 --> 04:30:00,100
Now we have park mobile
and we have flowbird.

5832
04:30:00,100 --> 04:30:02,440
So those are two different
transaction fees.

5833
04:30:02,440 --> 04:30:05,600
So that's not included in
the resolution before you.

5834
04:30:05,600 --> 04:30:10,800
And then the other was reducing
or not raising the current rates

5835
04:30:10,800 --> 04:30:15,200
for the time period from 8:00 AM
to 12 o'clock o'clock noon that

5836
04:30:15,200 --> 04:30:17,360
we did not include in the
resolution either, because we

5837
04:30:17,360 --> 04:30:18,740
didn't feel we had consensus.

5838
04:30:18,740 --> 04:30:22,160
So that's basically what
you have before you.

5839
04:30:22,160 --> 04:30:26,360
I will say that
we pulled parking

5840
04:30:26,360 --> 04:30:28,300
out of the fee ordinance.

5841
04:30:28,300 --> 04:30:30,420
So now it's adopted
through resolution.

5842
04:30:30,420 --> 04:30:32,880
So we would need some
type of action tonight.

5843
04:30:32,880 --> 04:30:35,700
Obviously it's to
your all's discretion.

5844
04:30:35,700 --> 04:30:38,040
And after the public comment
how you want to proceed.

5845
04:30:38,040 --> 04:30:39,240
If you want to keep
all these if you

5846
04:30:39,240 --> 04:30:41,760
want to eliminate some if you
want to just keep it the way

5847
04:30:41,760 --> 04:30:42,300
it is.

5848
04:30:42,300 --> 04:30:44,410
So we would need
some type of action

5849
04:30:44,410 --> 04:30:46,110
from the commission
tonight on that.

5850
04:30:46,110 --> 04:30:48,643
But with that, I'm happy
to answer any questions.

5851
04:30:48,643 --> 04:30:50,110
And like I said, I know
we have new members,

5852
04:30:50,110 --> 04:30:53,170
so I'm happy to answer any
questions that you might have.

5853
04:30:53,170 --> 04:30:53,670
Thank you.

5854
04:30:53,670 --> 04:30:56,410
Any questions from the
other commissioners.

5855
04:30:56,410 --> 04:30:59,450


5856
04:30:59,450 --> 04:31:02,650
A question I think
I zoned out on that.

5857
04:31:02,650 --> 04:31:05,810
Sorry, I spoke fast.

5858
04:31:05,810 --> 04:31:10,850
So we don't have the credit card
fee in here that is not included

5859
04:31:10,850 --> 04:31:12,670
in the current resolution.

5860
04:31:12,670 --> 04:31:14,490
Because I'm just
going by numbers

5861
04:31:14,490 --> 04:31:16,370
that I saw from last time.

5862
04:31:16,370 --> 04:31:22,250
I guess the increase is
that just that's the OK

5863
04:31:22,250 --> 04:31:23,630
the delta between the two.

5864
04:31:23,630 --> 04:31:24,510
OK sorry.

5865
04:31:24,510 --> 04:31:26,170
I just wanted to make
sure I understood

5866
04:31:26,170 --> 04:31:28,050
that it didn't
include that because I

5867
04:31:28,050 --> 04:31:29,510
was fine with including that.

5868
04:31:29,510 --> 04:31:31,850
Because when I go out to
dinner and everywhere else

5869
04:31:31,850 --> 04:31:34,370
I seem to go these
days, I get charged back

5870
04:31:34,370 --> 04:31:36,990
a credit card fee regardless.

5871
04:31:36,990 --> 04:31:39,510
And then again, I could ask
for a tip everywhere too.

5872
04:31:39,510 --> 04:31:40,890
So sure.

5873
04:31:40,890 --> 04:31:43,740
And again, switching
this to resolution,

5874
04:31:43,740 --> 04:31:46,880
does provide a little bit
more flexibility for you all.

5875
04:31:46,880 --> 04:31:51,520
Again, we can adjust up or down
with just a simple meeting.

5876
04:31:51,520 --> 04:31:53,420
So it does provide some
flexibility if you want

5877
04:31:53,420 --> 04:31:54,540
to look at something different.

5878
04:31:54,540 --> 04:31:57,660
Can we extend the time so
that we can continue the.

5879
04:31:57,660 --> 04:31:58,400
Sorry yeah.

5880
04:31:58,400 --> 04:32:00,960
I'll make a motion to
extend the meeting to 11.

5881
04:32:00,960 --> 04:32:05,860
I second a quick break
for the restroom.

5882
04:32:05,860 --> 04:32:07,540
We take a quick restroom break.

5883
04:32:07,540 --> 04:32:09,260
For those of us that
have been on the dais.

5884
04:32:09,260 --> 04:32:09,760
What's that.

5885
04:32:09,760 --> 04:32:10,360
We need a vote.

5886
04:32:10,360 --> 04:32:11,713
We need to vote on
the motion first.

5887
04:32:11,713 --> 04:32:12,480
To vote on the current.

5888
04:32:12,480 --> 04:32:12,980
Fair enough.

5889
04:32:12,980 --> 04:32:14,640
Yep post.

5890
04:32:14,640 --> 04:32:16,360
Post, vote on the
motion, please.

5891
04:32:16,360 --> 04:32:17,080
Clerk which one.

5892
04:32:17,080 --> 04:32:19,220
The bathroom first or the other.

5893
04:32:19,220 --> 04:32:20,200
Motion to extend to 11.

5894
04:32:20,200 --> 04:32:21,160
Motion to extend to 11.

5895
04:32:21,160 --> 04:32:22,040
We'll call it a fire.

5896
04:32:22,040 --> 04:32:23,480
Marriott yes, Commissioner.

5897
04:32:23,480 --> 04:32:25,420
Robinson yes, Commissioner.

5898
04:32:25,420 --> 04:32:26,360
Yes, Commissioner.

5899
04:32:26,360 --> 04:32:27,760
Maldonado yes, Mayor.

5900
04:32:27,760 --> 04:32:28,800
Tate yes.

5901
04:32:28,800 --> 04:32:31,540


5902
04:32:31,540 --> 04:32:33,380
And now I agree to
recess the meeting.

5903
04:32:33,380 --> 04:32:35,180
We'll recess for five minutes.

5904
04:32:35,180 --> 04:32:35,680
Five minutes.

5905
04:32:35,680 --> 04:32:36,440
OK five minutes.

5906
04:32:36,440 --> 04:32:37,120
We'll be right back.

5907
04:32:37,120 --> 04:32:41,710


5908
04:32:41,710 --> 04:32:43,110
Sitting too long.

5909
04:32:43,110 --> 04:32:48,550
No yeah, exactly.

5910
04:32:48,550 --> 04:32:50,570
I'm voting for talk to John.

5911
04:32:50,570 --> 04:32:51,790
We'll see how he
always dresses up.

5912
04:32:51,790 --> 04:32:54,230
I don't know.

5913
04:32:54,230 --> 04:32:55,170
I don't want to move.

5914
04:32:55,170 --> 04:32:57,570
I don't know if we can get
the jacket off him or not.

5915
04:32:57,570 --> 04:32:58,090
Oh, man.

5916
04:32:58,090 --> 04:33:02,230
Legs got my sea legs.

5917
04:33:02,230 --> 04:33:04,610
A whole lot of reasons why it's
good to live in my district.

5918
04:33:04,610 --> 04:33:06,410
But the best ones
that I'm used to.

5919
04:33:06,410 --> 04:33:07,490
The snacks.

5920
04:33:07,490 --> 04:33:09,110
Oh, yeah.

5921
04:33:09,110 --> 04:38:06,029
So we just heard the
presentation on the proposed

5922
04:38:06,029 --> 04:38:07,009
parking rate changes.

5923
04:38:07,009 --> 04:38:08,290
Thank you, Adam, for doing so.

5924
04:38:08,290 --> 04:38:09,310
Yes, sir.

5925
04:38:09,310 --> 04:38:10,849
I think we got a
few questions in.

5926
04:38:10,849 --> 04:38:13,029
Or are there other
questions to have.

5927
04:38:13,029 --> 04:38:14,189
I'm looking at
other commissioners

5928
04:38:14,189 --> 04:38:17,130
and OK, I have a few
personal comments,

5929
04:38:17,130 --> 04:38:21,230
and this is something that
I've already at least made

5930
04:38:21,230 --> 04:38:23,650
my thoughts known to Francis.

5931
04:38:23,650 --> 04:38:28,279
So my concern, I just
campaigned on about six months

5932
04:38:28,279 --> 04:38:31,040
of walking around and basically
saying that we want to welcome

5933
04:38:31,040 --> 04:38:32,680
visitors to our island.

5934
04:38:32,680 --> 04:38:35,119
I'm most particularly
interested in the impacts

5935
04:38:35,119 --> 04:38:39,700
to our small businesses, our
restaurants, our entertainments,

5936
04:38:39,700 --> 04:38:41,040
our shopping areas.

5937
04:38:41,040 --> 04:38:43,619
And so what intrigues me
is as an alternate to this.

5938
04:38:43,619 --> 04:38:45,660
And I'm not saying we can't go
forward with pieces of this,

5939
04:38:45,660 --> 04:38:50,040
but what I'm intrigued by
more so is a duration based

5940
04:38:50,040 --> 04:38:53,960
dynamic parking
structure, which says,

5941
04:38:53,960 --> 04:38:56,119
I imagine if you're
coming to visit our city

5942
04:38:56,119 --> 04:38:58,160
and you want to come
have dinner and you maybe

5943
04:38:58,160 --> 04:39:00,320
want to do a little shopping,
an hour or two feels

5944
04:39:00,320 --> 04:39:03,520
like a reasonable amount of
time to do that kind turn

5945
04:39:03,520 --> 04:39:05,279
that spot over
within an hour or two

5946
04:39:05,279 --> 04:39:08,560
and come in and do some
shopping and do a nice one

5947
04:39:08,560 --> 04:39:10,080
of our nice restaurants.

5948
04:39:10,080 --> 04:39:13,400
I think when you start getting
into 3, 4, 5 hour durations,

5949
04:39:13,400 --> 04:39:15,640
you're getting into the people
that are just hanging out

5950
04:39:15,640 --> 04:39:18,759
on the beach and doing some
other things that maybe tie up

5951
04:39:18,759 --> 04:39:21,080
those parking spaces that
are so valuable to us

5952
04:39:21,080 --> 04:39:24,439
and that are our restaurants
and business owners want

5953
04:39:24,439 --> 04:39:26,529
us to turn over more quickly.

5954
04:39:26,529 --> 04:39:29,970
And so as I look
at this, I'm more.

5955
04:39:29,970 --> 04:39:32,770
And I want to ask
staff at some point

5956
04:39:32,770 --> 04:39:36,210
how we can investigate
a dynamic pricing based

5957
04:39:36,210 --> 04:39:38,290
on, again, what I'll
call duration of time

5958
04:39:38,290 --> 04:39:39,390
that they're staying there.

5959
04:39:39,390 --> 04:39:43,050
I would like to see us turn
those spots over, because they

5960
04:39:43,050 --> 04:39:46,450
were coming and shopping and
eating in our restaurants

5961
04:39:46,450 --> 04:39:49,050
and being fair to those folks
that want to come do that

5962
04:39:49,050 --> 04:39:52,090
and patronize our businesses
is something I don't want

5963
04:39:52,090 --> 04:39:54,690
to punish, for example, with
just sunset pricing, which to me

5964
04:39:54,690 --> 04:39:57,250
says dinner time of thing.

5965
04:39:57,250 --> 04:40:02,470
So for me, I'm intrigued
by some of these are great.

5966
04:40:02,470 --> 04:40:04,750
I think some of these I
would love to revisit.

5967
04:40:04,750 --> 04:40:07,970
But I think part of what I need
to understand from the city

5968
04:40:07,970 --> 04:40:11,950
is what our
capabilities are to do.

5969
04:40:11,950 --> 04:40:15,850
Dynamic based pricing again
based on duration of stay.

5970
04:40:15,850 --> 04:40:18,010
If I'm staying for
an hour or two,

5971
04:40:18,010 --> 04:40:20,450
reasonable rate
gets more expensive

5972
04:40:20,450 --> 04:40:23,700
as you plan to stay longer
and tie up that spot that US

5973
04:40:23,700 --> 04:40:24,900
and our business
owners would rather

5974
04:40:24,900 --> 04:40:26,780
you turn over and let
somebody else come in

5975
04:40:26,780 --> 04:40:27,920
and have dinner as well.

5976
04:40:27,920 --> 04:40:29,240
So your thoughts
on that, please.

5977
04:40:29,240 --> 04:40:30,180
Yes, sir.

5978
04:40:30,180 --> 04:40:31,800
Our city manager
preps us very well.

5979
04:40:31,800 --> 04:40:32,320
So I knew that.

5980
04:40:32,320 --> 04:40:33,600
I knew that question was coming.

5981
04:40:33,600 --> 04:40:36,500
So we did some work on
that today actually.

5982
04:40:36,500 --> 04:40:39,620
So just a little bit
of background right

5983
04:40:39,620 --> 04:40:41,240
now like I mentioned,
we have two vendors,

5984
04:40:41,240 --> 04:40:43,340
park mobile and flowbird.

5985
04:40:43,340 --> 04:40:46,080
Both of them have an app based
on flowbird, the pedestal.

5986
04:40:46,080 --> 04:40:49,260
Basically a company
bought both of those

5987
04:40:49,260 --> 04:40:51,860
and is basically
incorporating those right now.

5988
04:40:51,860 --> 04:40:55,100
Park mobile is, I would say
the more advanced of the two.

5989
04:40:55,100 --> 04:40:56,640
The data we get is much better.

5990
04:40:56,640 --> 04:41:02,300
And the ability to utilize
that form is much better.

5991
04:41:02,300 --> 04:41:05,360
So we reached out, staff
reached out to them.

5992
04:41:05,360 --> 04:41:07,140
Today they can do that.

5993
04:41:07,140 --> 04:41:10,860
What you're asking can be
done as far as they can do it.

5994
04:41:10,860 --> 04:41:12,380
Obviously they can
do it based on time

5995
04:41:12,380 --> 04:41:14,920
because that's in part of
our presentation, obviously.

5996
04:41:14,920 --> 04:41:17,460
But they can also do
it based on duration

5997
04:41:17,460 --> 04:41:19,320
of the parking experience.

5998
04:41:19,320 --> 04:41:22,470
So if you chose to
do something where

5999
04:41:22,470 --> 04:41:24,790
the first two hours
were one price and it

6000
04:41:24,790 --> 04:41:27,050
escalated for hours 3, 4 and 5.

6001
04:41:27,050 --> 04:41:29,250
That is something that
the platform can do.

6002
04:41:29,250 --> 04:41:32,510
They confirmed to us today,
as far as us presenting you

6003
04:41:32,510 --> 04:41:36,030
with data of what that would
look like in comparison

6004
04:41:36,030 --> 04:41:38,310
to what we currently have.

6005
04:41:38,310 --> 04:41:40,317
I believe we can bring
something back to you.

6006
04:41:40,317 --> 04:41:41,650
It's going to take a
little bit of time,

6007
04:41:41,650 --> 04:41:45,010
I would say maybe 30 or
60 days just to be safe,

6008
04:41:45,010 --> 04:41:48,270
but I would just
caution that the data

6009
04:41:48,270 --> 04:41:50,050
points are not fantastic.

6010
04:41:50,050 --> 04:41:52,270
And I'll just give
you one example.

6011
04:41:52,270 --> 04:41:56,110
We used to the holidays are
actually a perfect example.

6012
04:41:56,110 --> 04:41:58,610
We know how many transactions
occurred on a holiday.

6013
04:41:58,610 --> 04:42:00,650
We don't know how long
they stayed on a holiday.

6014
04:42:00,650 --> 04:42:04,590
So we would have to take some
assumptions when we bring back

6015
04:42:04,590 --> 04:42:07,550
data to you to show you what
your revenues would look like

6016
04:42:07,550 --> 04:42:10,430
or what your revenue
losses would look like.

6017
04:42:10,430 --> 04:42:12,390
But certainly what
you're asking to do

6018
04:42:12,390 --> 04:42:15,570
is able to be done on the
platform that we utilize.

6019
04:42:15,570 --> 04:42:18,770
And then I've used
these apps before.

6020
04:42:18,770 --> 04:42:21,880
I go lunch or whatever
it is, and then I choose

6021
04:42:21,880 --> 04:42:23,920
to want to extend longer.

6022
04:42:23,920 --> 04:42:25,540
Even though I extend
for another hour or two,

6023
04:42:25,540 --> 04:42:26,960
theoretically, then I
extend at the higher

6024
04:42:26,960 --> 04:42:28,820
rate rather than right.

6025
04:42:28,820 --> 04:42:31,220
I believe over a new situation.

6026
04:42:31,220 --> 04:42:33,600
I want to be able to obviously
we don't want them just

6027
04:42:33,600 --> 04:42:34,567
saying, all right, two hours.

6028
04:42:34,567 --> 04:42:36,567
Then they finish it up and they
go, I need another two hours

6029
04:42:36,567 --> 04:42:37,920
and they get the
lower rate every time.

6030
04:42:37,920 --> 04:42:41,220
Obviously if you're extending
into or starting over,

6031
04:42:41,220 --> 04:42:43,620
we'd want to know that you're
still in that same zone.

6032
04:42:43,620 --> 04:42:44,900
I believe it's based on zone.

6033
04:42:44,900 --> 04:42:47,380
I suspect they figured
that could occur.

6034
04:42:47,380 --> 04:42:49,340
So I believe it's
probably based on zone.

6035
04:42:49,340 --> 04:42:51,960
So obviously if you move
to a different parking

6036
04:42:51,960 --> 04:42:54,020
area in the city, it
would probably start over.

6037
04:42:54,020 --> 04:42:55,520
But if you're just
moving to the next spot

6038
04:42:55,520 --> 04:42:59,000
or just letting it expire
and then re-upping it,

6039
04:42:59,000 --> 04:43:00,580
my assumption would
be and we'll get it,

6040
04:43:00,580 --> 04:43:02,640
we'll get a definite
answer on that for you.

6041
04:43:02,640 --> 04:43:05,680
My assumption it would
extend at the higher rate.

6042
04:43:05,680 --> 04:43:09,060
So that's just for the
rest of the commissioners.

6043
04:43:09,060 --> 04:43:10,600
That's what I'm most
worried about is harming

6044
04:43:10,600 --> 04:43:14,200
our small businesses with
something that discourages

6045
04:43:14,200 --> 04:43:18,090
people from coming in, having
great lunches and dinners

6046
04:43:18,090 --> 04:43:20,030
and watching a movie
and things like that.

6047
04:43:20,030 --> 04:43:23,810
So, so I see some
of this as I see it,

6048
04:43:23,810 --> 04:43:25,970
County park special rate
wouldn't quite impact

6049
04:43:25,970 --> 04:43:27,390
that as I'm thinking about it.

6050
04:43:27,390 --> 04:43:28,730
So I think there's
some of these that I

6051
04:43:28,730 --> 04:43:30,690
would support today
and others that I

6052
04:43:30,690 --> 04:43:34,050
would defer or ask to defer.

6053
04:43:34,050 --> 04:43:37,370
But I don't procedurally,
on my very first day

6054
04:43:37,370 --> 04:43:40,210
how to go about getting
somebody to help

6055
04:43:40,210 --> 04:43:42,350
me with what I'd like to do.

6056
04:43:42,350 --> 04:43:45,010
I think what concerns me most
is I look at the slide in front

6057
04:43:45,010 --> 04:43:49,290
of me is sunset pricing.

6058
04:43:49,290 --> 04:43:53,890
And I think that is what to
me feels like we're basically

6059
04:43:53,890 --> 04:43:56,870
saying at sunset, we're going to
charge you more, which is to me,

6060
04:43:56,870 --> 04:43:58,523
thinking about our
small businesses.

6061
04:43:58,523 --> 04:44:00,590
We're going to charge more to
come have a nice dinner with us.

6062
04:44:00,590 --> 04:44:04,730
And I'd rather not do that as
our first line of approach.

6063
04:44:04,730 --> 04:44:08,830
And on that, I'll say it's a
relatively small amount on here,

6064
04:44:08,830 --> 04:44:10,890
and it's about 20%
of your parking

6065
04:44:10,890 --> 04:44:12,730
is done during that
time frame just

6066
04:44:12,730 --> 04:44:15,330
to help you on your
decision making,

6067
04:44:15,330 --> 04:44:17,520
Ralph would have to give you
exactly what you'd have to do.

6068
04:44:17,520 --> 04:44:20,700
But my understanding is if you
make a motion with some changes

6069
04:44:20,700 --> 04:44:23,740
to the resolution, that's how
you would either eliminate

6070
04:44:23,740 --> 04:44:26,240
or add parts of the parking.

6071
04:44:26,240 --> 04:44:29,280
And then theoretically, we
could revisit an alternate,

6072
04:44:29,280 --> 04:44:34,180
maybe duration based dynamic
piece as a future resolution.

6073
04:44:34,180 --> 04:44:37,020
Certainly we could bring the
data back to what we talked

6074
04:44:37,020 --> 04:44:40,020
about today as the staff is
presenting you an option where

6075
04:44:40,020 --> 04:44:44,260
maybe it's the current rate for
two hours and then it escalates

6076
04:44:44,260 --> 04:44:47,320
by maybe give you some
examples $0.50, $1,

6077
04:44:47,320 --> 04:44:49,280
$1.50 for those hours after.

6078
04:44:49,280 --> 04:44:51,700
It's the goal we're shooting
for to bring back to you

6079
04:44:51,700 --> 04:44:52,400
at some point.

6080
04:44:52,400 --> 04:44:53,660
Perfect OK.

6081
04:44:53,660 --> 04:44:56,680
We just make a motion
about and this time,

6082
04:44:56,680 --> 04:45:00,180
let's expressly state our
motion exactly which one

6083
04:45:00,180 --> 04:45:03,360
of these you want to include.

6084
04:45:03,360 --> 04:45:05,640
Or can I say as
is excluding one.

6085
04:45:05,640 --> 04:45:06,680
You can do it that way too.

6086
04:45:06,680 --> 04:45:08,113
All right.

6087
04:45:08,113 --> 04:45:09,680
I don't know if I should
be making this motion.

6088
04:45:09,680 --> 04:45:10,633
I'm happy to make it.

6089
04:45:10,633 --> 04:45:11,400
You're allowed to make.

6090
04:45:11,400 --> 04:45:12,567
I think there might
be other people

6091
04:45:12,567 --> 04:45:13,470
that want to say something.

6092
04:45:13,470 --> 04:45:13,970
Oh, sorry.

6093
04:45:13,970 --> 04:45:16,250
I'm sorry I didn't see you
making a comment, I apologize.

6094
04:45:16,250 --> 04:45:16,830
That's OK.

6095
04:45:16,830 --> 04:45:18,970
I was just going to agree
with what you're saying.

6096
04:45:18,970 --> 04:45:20,170
I think it's great.

6097
04:45:20,170 --> 04:45:30,230
And I think the motion could be
to include the duration factor.

6098
04:45:30,230 --> 04:45:31,943
I'm not sure that we don't.

6099
04:45:31,943 --> 04:45:33,210
I don't think we
know enough about it.

6100
04:45:33,210 --> 04:45:36,270
We don't know enough for
you to give me any direction

6101
04:45:36,270 --> 04:45:39,310
because we actually need rates.

6102
04:45:39,310 --> 04:45:40,590
The good thing
about resolution is

6103
04:45:40,590 --> 04:45:42,110
it just takes one
reading as opposed

6104
04:45:42,110 --> 04:45:43,370
to an ordinance which takes two.

6105
04:45:43,370 --> 04:45:44,930
So you could change these every.

6106
04:45:44,930 --> 04:45:47,050
We're suggesting we
bring you back data.

6107
04:45:47,050 --> 04:45:47,650
Yeah OK.

6108
04:45:47,650 --> 04:45:50,930
And then we could give you
a suggested resolution.

6109
04:45:50,930 --> 04:45:52,690
Yeah to be clear, what
I'm saying is I'm.

6110
04:45:52,690 --> 04:45:55,870
I'm suggesting.

6111
04:45:55,870 --> 04:45:59,450
Approving this minus in my
least from my perspective,

6112
04:45:59,450 --> 04:46:00,630
sunset pricing.

6113
04:46:00,630 --> 04:46:03,870
And then we would ask city
staff to come back to us

6114
04:46:03,870 --> 04:46:06,070
30 days, if that's
what's appropriate,

6115
04:46:06,070 --> 04:46:11,150
and give us an assessment
of what duration based.

6116
04:46:11,150 --> 04:46:14,840
Parking rates would
be in this situation

6117
04:46:14,840 --> 04:46:19,620
and some or all of this may be
up for discussion in 30 days.

6118
04:46:19,620 --> 04:46:21,740
But at least get the
initial data back to us.

6119
04:46:21,740 --> 04:46:23,240
We understand it.

6120
04:46:23,240 --> 04:46:25,620
And then we make a
decision from there.

6121
04:46:25,620 --> 04:46:28,720
That's just my perspective.

6122
04:46:28,720 --> 04:46:29,400
I like it.

6123
04:46:29,400 --> 04:46:30,340
I'm sorry, MS Robinson.

6124
04:46:30,340 --> 04:46:33,480
Commissioner Robinson, sorry,
we weren't talking about Corey

6125
04:46:33,480 --> 04:46:34,960
having paid parking.

6126
04:46:34,960 --> 04:46:38,800
Corey no, no changes to FYI,
we're not talking no changes

6127
04:46:38,800 --> 04:46:40,720
to most of the restaurants are.

6128
04:46:40,720 --> 04:46:43,320
Yeah so when we talk about
the restaurants we're talking

6129
04:46:43,320 --> 04:46:46,360
or paid parking, we're
talking the beach,

6130
04:46:46,360 --> 04:46:47,820
primarily the beaches.

6131
04:46:47,820 --> 04:46:52,020
So that's a long that's a long
walk to some of the restaurants.

6132
04:46:52,020 --> 04:46:53,360
Just saying.

6133
04:46:53,360 --> 04:47:00,120
For that, I still like
getting the feedback

6134
04:47:00,120 --> 04:47:03,100
if we're going to give up
the sunset parking scenario,

6135
04:47:03,100 --> 04:47:04,500
what was the rate on that.

6136
04:47:04,500 --> 04:47:07,260
Do you remember because it
raised it would raise it by $1.

6137
04:47:07,260 --> 04:47:09,980
So again, none of them are
dependent on each other.

6138
04:47:09,980 --> 04:47:12,240
So whatever rate you said,
it would be $1 extra.

6139
04:47:12,240 --> 04:47:13,500
No, the no.

6140
04:47:13,500 --> 04:47:16,220
The credit card
credit card service.

6141
04:47:16,220 --> 04:47:18,980
So again, because there's 2
because there's two companies.

6142
04:47:18,980 --> 04:47:22,740
So one of them is we had
that number in the last time.

6143
04:47:22,740 --> 04:47:26,700
Yeah I said 3% The problem is
the more we dive into the data.

6144
04:47:26,700 --> 04:47:30,240
So one of them is
$0.15 per transaction

6145
04:47:30,240 --> 04:47:34,040
plus 3% The other one didn't
look like it charged a credit

6146
04:47:34,040 --> 04:47:36,480
card, but they sent it to a
bank, which does charge us

6147
04:47:36,480 --> 04:47:39,800
and it's anywhere from 4%
to 5% So it's not the same.

6148
04:47:39,800 --> 04:47:41,760
It's not the same
depending on what app.

6149
04:47:41,760 --> 04:47:45,920
But did didn't you say the
same company bought both.

6150
04:47:45,920 --> 04:47:48,300
They did, but they we're told.

6151
04:47:48,300 --> 04:47:51,640
So we talked to
them again today.

6152
04:47:51,640 --> 04:47:53,320
Our understanding
is it should be

6153
04:47:53,320 --> 04:47:56,160
operating as potentially
operating as one platform

6154
04:47:56,160 --> 04:47:57,640
as early as March.

6155
04:47:57,640 --> 04:47:58,980
But we don't know
that for a fact.

6156
04:47:58,980 --> 04:48:00,400
So right now it's
still kind of operating

6157
04:48:00,400 --> 04:48:02,140
as two separate entities.

6158
04:48:02,140 --> 04:48:04,340
So that's why there's some
differences between the two.

6159
04:48:04,340 --> 04:48:06,160
There's differences
when we try to pull data

6160
04:48:06,160 --> 04:48:08,310
there's differences and rates.

6161
04:48:08,310 --> 04:48:11,230
Like, for example, whatever,
you all approve tonight,

6162
04:48:11,230 --> 04:48:13,170
we'll have to go to
both of those companies

6163
04:48:13,170 --> 04:48:14,650
to implement them.

6164
04:48:14,650 --> 04:48:18,370
And based on my experience
of doing this two years ago,

6165
04:48:18,370 --> 04:48:19,630
no one did it immediately.

6166
04:48:19,630 --> 04:48:21,910
The other one took quite a long
time before it implemented it.

6167
04:48:21,910 --> 04:48:23,510
So conceivably if
you used one app,

6168
04:48:23,510 --> 04:48:25,110
you'd be paying less than
if you used the other.

6169
04:48:25,110 --> 04:48:28,010
So we're hoping all that will
get worked out once they're

6170
04:48:28,010 --> 04:48:32,490
serving under one brand in one
app, works in certain areas

6171
04:48:32,490 --> 04:48:35,090
and other one works in both of
them work in all of our areas.

6172
04:48:35,090 --> 04:48:35,750
We're working.

6173
04:48:35,750 --> 04:48:37,270
Oh, I did not realize that one.

6174
04:48:37,270 --> 04:48:38,510
And that's pretty standard.

6175
04:48:38,510 --> 04:48:39,910
If you go to the
beach communities,

6176
04:48:39,910 --> 04:48:42,510
you'll see both of those
vendors on those signs.

6177
04:48:42,510 --> 04:48:45,410
So it's pretty common.

6178
04:48:45,410 --> 04:48:50,830
OK I'll make a motion.

6179
04:48:50,830 --> 04:48:51,910
No I have a public comment.

6180
04:48:51,910 --> 04:48:52,870
Sorry public comment.

6181
04:48:52,870 --> 04:48:53,850
Yeah sorry.

6182
04:48:53,850 --> 04:48:56,230
Jumping ahead Rick Falkenstein.

6183
04:48:56,230 --> 04:48:59,730


6184
04:48:59,730 --> 04:49:00,390
Good evening.

6185
04:49:00,390 --> 04:49:02,530
Sorry to prolong this meeting.

6186
04:49:02,530 --> 04:49:05,380
6507 31 Avenue North.

6187
04:49:05,380 --> 04:49:10,900
Most of my waking
hours is 800 golf way.

6188
04:49:10,900 --> 04:49:15,700
I see the influx of
cars coming and going.

6189
04:49:15,700 --> 04:49:17,440
They get there about 9 o'clock.

6190
04:49:17,440 --> 04:49:23,220
Then there's a turnover
of about 1112, 1:00.

6191
04:49:23,220 --> 04:49:26,260
The spaces do turn over.

6192
04:49:26,260 --> 04:49:31,060
My suggestion to you guys
take the commission hat off.

6193
04:49:31,060 --> 04:49:33,620
Put the business hat on.

6194
04:49:33,620 --> 04:49:36,420
Make it 24 hours.

6195
04:49:36,420 --> 04:49:38,560
Charge the meters 24 hours.

6196
04:49:38,560 --> 04:49:39,380
Sunset beaches.

6197
04:49:39,380 --> 04:49:39,880
Got that.

6198
04:49:39,880 --> 04:49:40,720
24 hours.

6199
04:49:40,720 --> 04:49:44,900
Madeira Beach, o'clock
AM to o'clock PM.

6200
04:49:44,900 --> 04:49:47,340
Indian Rocks, 8:00
AM to 10:00 PM.

6201
04:49:47,340 --> 04:49:50,060
Redington beach,
7:00 AM to 10:00 PM.

6202
04:49:50,060 --> 04:49:51,760
Make hours 24 hours.

6203
04:49:51,760 --> 04:49:52,940
Raise it $1.

6204
04:49:52,940 --> 04:49:54,400
Why make it so complicated.

6205
04:49:54,400 --> 04:49:57,100
When you look at this
lineup, you're going

6206
04:49:57,100 --> 04:49:59,980
to go, what am I going to pay.

6207
04:49:59,980 --> 04:50:00,960
When does it start.

6208
04:50:00,960 --> 04:50:02,860
When does it stop.

6209
04:50:02,860 --> 04:50:04,070
Raise it.

6210
04:50:04,070 --> 04:50:07,010
It's going to be easier for
people coming to our beach.

6211
04:50:07,010 --> 04:50:09,810
Remember, right now, March.

6212
04:50:09,810 --> 04:50:14,250
This March is the hottest
March we've had in a long time.

6213
04:50:14,250 --> 04:50:15,370
Go back to February.

6214
04:50:15,370 --> 04:50:17,410
Look at those meter takes.

6215
04:50:17,410 --> 04:50:18,430
The coldest.

6216
04:50:18,430 --> 04:50:21,950
The coldest month in 20 years.

6217
04:50:21,950 --> 04:50:24,310
We don't want to
alienate the ones

6218
04:50:24,310 --> 04:50:27,750
who come visit us in August.

6219
04:50:27,750 --> 04:50:30,630
September, October, November.

6220
04:50:30,630 --> 04:50:33,950
The people who are
here now are gone.

6221
04:50:33,950 --> 04:50:36,270
But they don't mind
paying the extra dollar

6222
04:50:36,270 --> 04:50:40,510
because they don't realize when
they come off golf Boulevard,

6223
04:50:40,510 --> 04:50:41,770
it's city streets.

6224
04:50:41,770 --> 04:50:43,710
When you go past,
the dances are it's

6225
04:50:43,710 --> 04:50:48,030
city streets, the trash that's
being picked up on the beach.

6226
04:50:48,030 --> 04:50:50,130
That money goes
towards that trash,

6227
04:50:50,130 --> 04:50:51,550
the security on the beach.

6228
04:50:51,550 --> 04:50:52,650
We have to educate.

6229
04:50:52,650 --> 04:50:54,550
We have to do a PR session.

6230
04:50:54,550 --> 04:50:57,750
So these guys back here know
where the money is going.

6231
04:50:57,750 --> 04:50:59,830
It's not just
going into the city

6232
04:50:59,830 --> 04:51:02,060
and they're going to go
spend it everywhere else,

6233
04:51:02,060 --> 04:51:05,740
it's going to rebuild the
streets that the city owns.

6234
04:51:05,740 --> 04:51:08,360
Gulf Boulevard is
a State Street.

6235
04:51:08,360 --> 04:51:11,280
It's not a residential street.

6236
04:51:11,280 --> 04:51:13,180
So we have to let
the people know.

6237
04:51:13,180 --> 04:51:17,560
And some of the guests
that come to where I work,

6238
04:51:17,560 --> 04:51:21,080
I asked them the last couple
of days, what do you think.

6239
04:51:21,080 --> 04:51:22,500
It's all over the place, man.

6240
04:51:22,500 --> 04:51:24,160
It's all over the place.

6241
04:51:24,160 --> 04:51:25,560
Raise it $1.

6242
04:51:25,560 --> 04:51:26,980
Go 24 hours.

6243
04:51:26,980 --> 04:51:28,280
They know what
they're going to pay

6244
04:51:28,280 --> 04:51:29,780
and they know when
they come out here,

6245
04:51:29,780 --> 04:51:32,960
it's 24 hours,
seven days a week.

6246
04:51:32,960 --> 04:51:35,860
And do your holiday gig.

6247
04:51:35,860 --> 04:51:36,860
That's good.

6248
04:51:36,860 --> 04:51:37,540
It's going to work.

6249
04:51:37,540 --> 04:51:38,580
I think that'll work.

6250
04:51:38,580 --> 04:51:39,420
They'll understand.

6251
04:51:39,420 --> 04:51:45,880
Holidays raise it
$1 and goes 24/7.

6252
04:51:45,880 --> 04:51:46,580
Thank you.

6253
04:51:46,580 --> 04:51:47,360
Yes, sir.

6254
04:51:47,360 --> 04:51:48,860
I like the KISS method.

6255
04:51:48,860 --> 04:51:51,440


6256
04:51:51,440 --> 04:51:53,520
There are no more
public comments.

6257
04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:55,960
OK, now I'll make a motion.

6258
04:51:55,960 --> 04:52:01,010
I'll make a motion that we
adopt resolution 2020 7,

6259
04:52:01,010 --> 04:52:05,530
establishing and amending
the public parking fees to.

6260
04:52:05,530 --> 04:52:06,790
And now that thing
just went away.

6261
04:52:06,790 --> 04:52:09,250
That was in front
of me to include

6262
04:52:09,250 --> 04:52:12,370
to include all of the
staff recommendations

6263
04:52:12,370 --> 04:52:15,250
except for the sunset pricing.

6264
04:52:15,250 --> 04:52:16,670
Is that clear enough, Ralph.

6265
04:52:16,670 --> 04:52:19,250
Yes OK.

6266
04:52:19,250 --> 04:52:22,870
Second just a second.

6267
04:52:22,870 --> 04:52:24,910
Just a capital problem.

6268
04:52:24,910 --> 04:52:33,610


6269
04:52:33,610 --> 04:52:34,870
Commissioner Robinson.

6270
04:52:34,870 --> 04:52:37,150
No commissioner.

6271
04:52:37,150 --> 04:52:39,350
Coursey yes, Commissioner.

6272
04:52:39,350 --> 04:52:41,710
Maldonado yes, Mayor.

6273
04:52:41,710 --> 04:52:42,930
Tate yes.

6274
04:52:42,930 --> 04:52:43,430
Vice mayor.

6275
04:52:43,430 --> 04:52:44,630
Marriott yes.

6276
04:52:44,630 --> 04:52:45,670
The motion carries.

6277
04:52:45,670 --> 04:52:55,970


6278
04:52:55,970 --> 04:52:57,750
I think that's the end
of our action items.

6279
04:52:57,750 --> 04:52:59,900
Keep me honest
here, Renee, please.

6280
04:52:59,900 --> 04:53:01,760
Yes now we're on to
items for discussion.

6281
04:53:01,760 --> 04:53:02,800
Thank you.

6282
04:53:02,800 --> 04:53:05,340
And I think we've
moved an item there.

6283
04:53:05,340 --> 04:53:07,080
I don't know if we can
cover it in 10 minutes,

6284
04:53:07,080 --> 04:53:10,100
but I think we'd move the
wireless discussion there.

6285
04:53:10,100 --> 04:53:11,000
We'll give it a shot.

6286
04:53:11,000 --> 04:53:16,940
So ordinance 202603
communications and small

6287
04:53:16,940 --> 04:53:19,040
wireless facilities
design standards.

6288
04:53:19,040 --> 04:53:20,880
As you saw, there's
lots of interest.

6289
04:53:20,880 --> 04:53:25,180
And certainly we've all
received lots of emails

6290
04:53:25,180 --> 04:53:27,340
from constituents.

6291
04:53:27,340 --> 04:53:31,100
And I will tell you that
my position is very clear

6292
04:53:31,100 --> 04:53:32,900
and has been from
the very beginning

6293
04:53:32,900 --> 04:53:38,020
that I did intend to use the
word mandatory versus encourage.

6294
04:53:38,020 --> 04:53:41,020
That should be
absolutely clear to me.

6295
04:53:41,020 --> 04:53:42,620
It may have been
misinterpreted by some

6296
04:53:42,620 --> 04:53:44,320
of my fellow commissioners.

6297
04:53:44,320 --> 04:53:45,320
We're beyond that.

6298
04:53:45,320 --> 04:53:52,940
So as a result of that, I did
seek legal counsel and opinions

6299
04:53:52,940 --> 04:53:57,430
from Becky Blass, the senior
partner at the law firm

6300
04:53:57,430 --> 04:54:01,550
who provided me with
an expert legal opinion

6301
04:54:01,550 --> 04:54:05,510
and that opinion you
all should have seen.

6302
04:54:05,510 --> 04:54:07,150
And that opinion
really just gave

6303
04:54:07,150 --> 04:54:10,950
me the ability to
confirm that this

6304
04:54:10,950 --> 04:54:12,697
was not a scrivener's error.

6305
04:54:12,697 --> 04:54:14,030
It's not a scrivener's
error because you

6306
04:54:14,030 --> 04:54:15,730
can't interpret intent.

6307
04:54:15,730 --> 04:54:20,270
I know some people wanted me to
spray a pixel dust or something

6308
04:54:20,270 --> 04:54:22,570
and explain what's
not on the paper,

6309
04:54:22,570 --> 04:54:25,990
so that's why it was important
to clarify what's on there.

6310
04:54:25,990 --> 04:54:29,270
So my belief, and
Ralph will have

6311
04:54:29,270 --> 04:54:32,930
to guide us through this here,
is that we have two options.

6312
04:54:32,930 --> 04:54:37,710
So we can as a commission,
as a current commission,

6313
04:54:37,710 --> 04:54:43,750
repeal the ordinance
that was recently passed

6314
04:54:43,750 --> 04:54:46,190
and start the process over.

6315
04:54:46,190 --> 04:54:49,070
Or we can leave it as it stands.

6316
04:54:49,070 --> 04:54:51,230
But this is something for
this commission to decide

6317
04:54:51,230 --> 04:54:52,570
how they want to move forward.

6318
04:54:52,570 --> 04:54:56,120
And that's where we are.

6319
04:54:56,120 --> 04:54:58,980
So not an easy thing
that we wanted to get to.

6320
04:54:58,980 --> 04:55:01,560
It's a year and a half of work,
but this is the current reality

6321
04:55:01,560 --> 04:55:03,860
of what I believe is true.

6322
04:55:03,860 --> 04:55:05,880
Ralph, do you agree that
that's the only two things

6323
04:55:05,880 --> 04:55:07,140
that we can do at this point.

6324
04:55:07,140 --> 04:55:10,920
Well, you can repeal or you can
amend or you can leave it as is.

6325
04:55:10,920 --> 04:55:13,940
So you could conceivably amend
what you've already adopted.

6326
04:55:13,940 --> 04:55:18,200


6327
04:55:18,200 --> 04:55:20,920
But that would mean
mandatory is probably

6328
04:55:20,920 --> 04:55:24,120
going to be run up against
the state preemption

6329
04:55:24,120 --> 04:55:27,720
and expose the city to
liability for attorneys' fees.

6330
04:55:27,720 --> 04:55:30,360
What would an
Amendment look like.

6331
04:55:30,360 --> 04:55:32,540
Well, that would have
to come from you guys.

6332
04:55:32,540 --> 04:55:34,200
It's a policy
matter, but would it

6333
04:55:34,200 --> 04:55:36,460
take the first reading,
second reading,

6334
04:55:36,460 --> 04:55:37,560
second reading, same thing.

6335
04:55:37,560 --> 04:55:40,040
That's the part that I
want to make very clear,

6336
04:55:40,040 --> 04:55:42,560
so that there is no
further miscommunication,

6337
04:55:42,560 --> 04:55:46,320
intentional or otherwise,
that it would require us

6338
04:55:46,320 --> 04:55:49,760
to go back to a first reading.

6339
04:55:49,760 --> 04:55:50,820
Correct yep.

6340
04:55:50,820 --> 04:55:53,610
First reading and second
reading, and also for repealing

6341
04:55:53,610 --> 04:55:58,850
takes two readings to
repeal an ordinance.

6342
04:55:58,850 --> 04:56:00,730
OK, so I guess my
question to the commission

6343
04:56:00,730 --> 04:56:04,650
is that something that
we want to entertain.

6344
04:56:04,650 --> 04:56:06,190
I have another question.

6345
04:56:06,190 --> 04:56:10,550
So what we did sign off on
did have to go up to the AG.

6346
04:56:10,550 --> 04:56:11,950
Correct yes.

6347
04:56:11,950 --> 04:56:16,250
And they have 30
days to respond.

6348
04:56:16,250 --> 04:56:17,850
Is that correct.

6349
04:56:17,850 --> 04:56:22,070
The ordinance does not become
effective until 30 days expires.

6350
04:56:22,070 --> 04:56:25,130
From the time it gets
to the attorney general

6351
04:56:25,130 --> 04:56:29,550
during the pendency
of that ordinance.

6352
04:56:29,550 --> 04:56:32,050
And today, the
legislature also enhanced

6353
04:56:32,050 --> 04:56:35,650
the preemptions on
local governments

6354
04:56:35,650 --> 04:56:37,630
for small cell wireless.

6355
04:56:37,630 --> 04:56:38,630
I can pass this out.

6356
04:56:38,630 --> 04:56:40,850
It kind of describes.

6357
04:56:40,850 --> 04:56:43,090
I got to lock in up there.

6358
04:56:43,090 --> 04:56:44,710
So it's getting
worse, not better.

6359
04:56:44,710 --> 04:56:46,350
In Tallahassee there's less.

6360
04:56:46,350 --> 04:56:47,630
Even less you could do now.

6361
04:56:47,630 --> 04:56:52,620


6362
04:56:52,620 --> 04:56:55,100
So that's Senate Bill 488.

6363
04:56:55,100 --> 04:56:59,760
Yeah it hasn't been signed
by the governor yet.

6364
04:56:59,760 --> 04:57:01,580
So maybe if the
governor signs it,

6365
04:57:01,580 --> 04:57:04,160
we may want to revisit
the ordinance anyway.

6366
04:57:04,160 --> 04:57:06,580
But not too much
in here affects us.

6367
04:57:06,580 --> 04:57:11,100
It does state that you can't
limit the number of small cell

6368
04:57:11,100 --> 04:57:12,780
wireless facilities.

6369
04:57:12,780 --> 04:57:15,620
You have to require
only one construction

6370
04:57:15,620 --> 04:57:18,560
bond for all their equipment.

6371
04:57:18,560 --> 04:57:20,240
You can't have a
different bond for each.

6372
04:57:20,240 --> 04:57:23,860
Equipment has some insurance
requirements that prohibits

6373
04:57:23,860 --> 04:57:25,920
landscaping requirements.

6374
04:57:25,920 --> 04:57:31,340


6375
04:57:31,340 --> 04:57:33,840
We have a 90 page
ordinance we adopted first,

6376
04:57:33,840 --> 04:57:35,940
and then we had
this three pager.

6377
04:57:35,940 --> 04:57:38,580
And because the citizens
also wanted these setbacks

6378
04:57:38,580 --> 04:57:40,900
and the separation distance.

6379
04:57:40,900 --> 04:57:46,540
And so we had a staff
had an ordinance drafted

6380
04:57:46,540 --> 04:57:49,130
and I didn't insert
the word encourage.

6381
04:57:49,130 --> 04:57:52,790
Encourage was in the draft
that has been presented

6382
04:57:52,790 --> 04:57:54,770
is exhibit A was already there.

6383
04:57:54,770 --> 04:57:56,530
It wasn't something
that was discussed,

6384
04:57:56,530 --> 04:57:57,850
but it was already there.

6385
04:57:57,850 --> 04:58:01,030
Again, you probably cannot
mandate it even though

6386
04:58:01,030 --> 04:58:03,510
you want to do mandatory.

6387
04:58:03,510 --> 04:58:06,170
It's probably a violation
of the state law preemption.

6388
04:58:06,170 --> 04:58:10,870
That's what spectrum has
said and what AT&T has said.

6389
04:58:10,870 --> 04:58:15,150
And it looks to be what the
statute says pretty clear.

6390
04:58:15,150 --> 04:58:17,350
I think the counsel
for the citizens

6391
04:58:17,350 --> 04:58:21,790
was arguing there's too many
commas in the minimum separation

6392
04:58:21,790 --> 04:58:22,750
distance.

6393
04:58:22,750 --> 04:58:27,530
And that grammatical error
knocks out the state preemption.

6394
04:58:27,530 --> 04:58:30,130
But I don't believe that would
be the case if a judge read it.

6395
04:58:30,130 --> 04:58:33,390
I think that would
just apply clear, plain

6396
04:58:33,390 --> 04:58:39,030
interpretation to what they
think the sentence said.

6397
04:58:39,030 --> 04:58:40,370
But happy to keep
working on this.

6398
04:58:40,370 --> 04:58:41,650
If this is something
you want to do.

6399
04:58:41,650 --> 04:58:45,590
The other thing we need
to do is to have a request

6400
04:58:45,590 --> 04:58:49,750
for qualifications to have
consultant help us implement

6401
04:58:49,750 --> 04:58:53,070
the 90 page ordinance,
because it is very technical

6402
04:58:53,070 --> 04:58:56,670
and we need outside
technical expertise

6403
04:58:56,670 --> 04:58:59,350
to be able to review the
applications that will be coming

6404
04:58:59,350 --> 04:59:05,750
in the future that require
commission approval to it'll

6405
04:59:05,750 --> 04:59:07,303
be coming back to you for that.

6406
04:59:07,303 --> 04:59:08,670
Yeah you're going to
have to hire someone

6407
04:59:08,670 --> 04:59:12,270
to review these things,
and we can't charge for it

6408
04:59:12,270 --> 04:59:15,690
under the preemption
question for you,

6409
04:59:15,690 --> 04:59:18,190
Ralph, please, I'm
reading I'm reading

6410
04:59:18,190 --> 04:59:21,270
at least the motion as was
kind of distributed earlier.

6411
04:59:21,270 --> 04:59:23,390
I don't see the word in
court or mandatory sitting

6412
04:59:23,390 --> 04:59:24,010
in here at all.

6413
04:59:24,010 --> 04:59:27,470
And so what does it
mean to us if we strike

6414
04:59:27,470 --> 04:59:28,650
either word or both words.

6415
04:59:28,650 --> 04:59:31,910
To be Frank with you, neither
word shows up in there.

6416
04:59:31,910 --> 04:59:36,190
Well, when you
have an ordinance,

6417
04:59:36,190 --> 04:59:38,730
the way we do ordinance is
we have a cover ordinance,

6418
04:59:38,730 --> 04:59:42,210
and then we have an exhibit A,
and the exhibit A is attached,

6419
04:59:42,210 --> 04:59:46,280
just like the parking schedule
was exhibit A, so in the exhibit

6420
04:59:46,280 --> 04:59:48,060
A, that was the staff proposal.

6421
04:59:48,060 --> 04:59:51,080
It did say the city shall
encourage because we felt

6422
04:59:51,080 --> 04:59:53,560
as staff, Brandon and
myself, that this is

6423
04:59:53,560 --> 04:59:55,480
as far as we could go
and still stay legal

6424
04:59:55,480 --> 04:59:57,320
under the state preemption.

6425
04:59:57,320 --> 05:00:00,640
The citizens presented
an alternative language

6426
05:00:00,640 --> 05:00:02,180
that mandated it.

6427
05:00:02,180 --> 05:00:05,520
We don't feel comfortable
giving the advice that that's

6428
05:00:05,520 --> 05:00:07,280
something that you can do.

6429
05:00:07,280 --> 05:00:08,540
I can't tell you not to.

6430
05:00:08,540 --> 05:00:10,940
I'm just saying it would
be very difficult to find,

6431
05:00:10,940 --> 05:00:12,380
and we might lose
attorney's fees.

6432
05:00:12,380 --> 05:00:17,720
Understood I'm
literally reading the.

6433
05:00:17,720 --> 05:00:21,620
I guess it's the I can pass out
the closed caption notes here.

6434
05:00:21,620 --> 05:00:23,020
I want to make
sure that because.

6435
05:00:23,020 --> 05:00:25,580
Because neither word is frankly
in what I'm reading right here.

6436
05:00:25,580 --> 05:00:27,400
Unless I want to pass out
the ordinance because it

6437
05:00:27,400 --> 05:00:28,620
will be in there.

6438
05:00:28,620 --> 05:00:30,180
Back to the AG thing.

6439
05:00:30,180 --> 05:00:37,880
So what are we waiting for the
AG to say the AG and its fine

6440
05:00:37,880 --> 05:00:42,230
and/or they reviewed it
and we are in violation.

6441
05:00:42,230 --> 05:00:44,210
What are we waiting
from the AG for.

6442
05:00:44,210 --> 05:00:45,350
So they publish it.

6443
05:00:45,350 --> 05:00:49,030
And that gives interested
parties a chance to review it,

6444
05:00:49,030 --> 05:00:52,210
and a chance to file a
declaratory injunctive relief

6445
05:00:52,210 --> 05:00:53,570
under the statute
if they think it's

6446
05:00:53,570 --> 05:00:55,650
in violation of the preemption.

6447
05:00:55,650 --> 05:00:59,750
So it's being reviewed right
now by AT&T legal counsel,

6448
05:00:59,750 --> 05:01:03,890
and it's being reviewed
at presumably the spectrum

6449
05:01:03,890 --> 05:01:06,950
and presumably at the
attorney general's office.

6450
05:01:06,950 --> 05:01:10,490
So we may hear from one
or all of those parties.

6451
05:01:10,490 --> 05:01:13,750
I think right now with the word
encourage in there, we're fine.

6452
05:01:13,750 --> 05:01:17,210
The spectrum wrote us a letter
that said the staff version they

6453
05:01:17,210 --> 05:01:20,050
did not object to but they
thought that the citizen version

6454
05:01:20,050 --> 05:01:21,890
violated the state preemption.

6455
05:01:21,890 --> 05:01:25,030
And we distributed that
letter at the last meeting.

6456
05:01:25,030 --> 05:01:41,860


6457
05:01:41,860 --> 05:01:43,900
It doesn't look like
the legislature is

6458
05:01:43,900 --> 05:01:47,080
interested in weakening
the preemptions,

6459
05:01:47,080 --> 05:01:49,820
when in fact they're
strengthening them.

6460
05:01:49,820 --> 05:01:51,580
This past session,
it was approved

6461
05:01:51,580 --> 05:01:55,400
Friday and was sent to the
governor, but not signed yet.

6462
05:01:55,400 --> 05:02:03,020


6463
05:02:03,020 --> 05:02:09,340
I wanted to understand what
would be the basis of repealing.

6464
05:02:09,340 --> 05:02:13,480
Technically, legally
speaking, can we discuss that.

6465
05:02:13,480 --> 05:02:15,360
You can resend an
ordinance at any time.

6466
05:02:15,360 --> 05:02:18,820
You have the legislative
capacity to adopt ordinances

6467
05:02:18,820 --> 05:02:22,040
and to repeal ordinances
or to amend ordinances.

6468
05:02:22,040 --> 05:02:24,960
So it's within one of your
three legislative choices.

6469
05:02:24,960 --> 05:02:27,840
And what about the
logical basis of it.

6470
05:02:27,840 --> 05:02:29,020
What of.

6471
05:02:29,020 --> 05:02:30,580
Well, we had a 90
page ordinance that

6472
05:02:30,580 --> 05:02:34,780
was adopted two weeks earlier
that all the parties agreed

6473
05:02:34,780 --> 05:02:38,070
was not preempted and
they could live with

6474
05:02:38,070 --> 05:02:40,150
and the citizens
were upset that it

6475
05:02:40,150 --> 05:02:41,950
didn't contain the
minimum separation

6476
05:02:41,950 --> 05:02:43,250
distance and the setback.

6477
05:02:43,250 --> 05:02:46,770
So that's why we separated
the two ordinances,

6478
05:02:46,770 --> 05:02:48,530
and they came forward
at two different times.

6479
05:02:48,530 --> 05:02:50,530
So we first approved
the 90 page ordinance.

6480
05:02:50,530 --> 05:02:51,610
There was a motion.

6481
05:02:51,610 --> 05:02:53,510
Second, and I think
everybody agreed

6482
05:02:53,510 --> 05:02:57,670
to bring the controversial
two items back again,

6483
05:02:57,670 --> 05:03:00,010
which then came back as
the second ordinance.

6484
05:03:00,010 --> 05:03:03,310


6485
05:03:03,310 --> 05:03:07,090
And as far as the
vote on that went.

6486
05:03:07,090 --> 05:03:09,870


6487
05:03:09,870 --> 05:03:15,030
Can you, Commissioner Maldonado,
could you elaborate what

6488
05:03:15,030 --> 05:03:16,950
you're thinking about.

6489
05:03:16,950 --> 05:03:20,790
I mean, is it because people
didn't realize what they

6490
05:03:20,790 --> 05:03:23,230
were voting for, or did they.

6491
05:03:23,230 --> 05:03:24,530
What are your thoughts.

6492
05:03:24,530 --> 05:03:25,890
So do you mean then or now.

6493
05:03:25,890 --> 05:03:27,050
In the present then.

6494
05:03:27,050 --> 05:03:28,090
Then yeah.

6495
05:03:28,090 --> 05:03:28,610
Yeah no.

6496
05:03:28,610 --> 05:03:32,070
So I mean, obviously my argument
was based on the briefing

6497
05:03:32,070 --> 05:03:36,520
by attorney Scott McCullough,
who used the citizens language

6498
05:03:36,520 --> 05:03:39,120
in a very strong
mandatory that was

6499
05:03:39,120 --> 05:03:41,120
an hour prior at
the very beginning

6500
05:03:41,120 --> 05:03:43,120
of the commission meeting.

6501
05:03:43,120 --> 05:03:46,680
And then there were subsequent
events that took place

6502
05:03:46,680 --> 05:03:48,720
to include a question
from Commissioner

6503
05:03:48,720 --> 05:03:52,360
Marriott to the attorney.

6504
05:03:52,360 --> 05:03:57,040
And that I think is at least
my interpretation of what could

6505
05:03:57,040 --> 05:04:00,340
have gone wrong is when there
was a response to the question,

6506
05:04:00,340 --> 05:04:01,700
do you remember what
the question was.

6507
05:04:01,700 --> 05:04:03,640
Commissioner Marriott.

6508
05:04:03,640 --> 05:04:09,940
I think my statement was if
we use the word encourage,

6509
05:04:09,940 --> 05:04:11,580
I might be able to
be on board with it.

6510
05:04:11,580 --> 05:04:14,800
But if it's mandatory, I'm not.

6511
05:04:14,800 --> 05:04:18,240
However, I think my position has
been misconstrued several times

6512
05:04:18,240 --> 05:04:21,200
because I wasn't going to vote
for it based on the 500 foot

6513
05:04:21,200 --> 05:04:24,120
separation distance,
which I also believe is

6514
05:04:24,120 --> 05:04:25,700
not allowed by state statute.

6515
05:04:25,700 --> 05:04:26,820
Can we take a pause.

6516
05:04:26,820 --> 05:04:28,760
I think we need to
extend just again.

6517
05:04:28,760 --> 05:04:31,380
Yeah must we go a half hour.

6518
05:04:31,380 --> 05:04:33,260
Can we try and do
it in 15 minutes.

6519
05:04:33,260 --> 05:04:34,410
No, that's what I'm asking.

6520
05:04:34,410 --> 05:04:36,110
Yeah half hour, just to be sure.

6521
05:04:36,110 --> 05:04:37,650
But somebody make a motion.

6522
05:04:37,650 --> 05:04:42,410
Make a motion to extend
our meeting till 11:15.

6523
05:04:42,410 --> 05:04:46,330
Second who's got
the second on that.

6524
05:04:46,330 --> 05:04:50,470
OK OK.

6525
05:04:50,470 --> 05:04:52,170
Commissioner Causey.

6526
05:04:52,170 --> 05:04:53,310
Yes commissioner.

6527
05:04:53,310 --> 05:04:54,450
Maldonado yes.

6528
05:04:54,450 --> 05:04:55,410
Mayor Tate.

6529
05:04:55,410 --> 05:04:56,390
Yes vice mayor.

6530
05:04:56,390 --> 05:04:57,350
Marriott yes.

6531
05:04:57,350 --> 05:05:00,770
Commissioner Robinson
Yes Motion carries.

6532
05:05:00,770 --> 05:05:04,310
So I voted no against
the ordinance.

6533
05:05:04,310 --> 05:05:06,770
Also, based on the fact
that there was the 500 foot

6534
05:05:06,770 --> 05:05:08,830
separation minimum
separation distance,

6535
05:05:08,830 --> 05:05:13,090
which I also believe to be
contrary to state statute.

6536
05:05:13,090 --> 05:05:15,030
So I wasn't going to
vote for that motion,

6537
05:05:15,030 --> 05:05:18,010
whether it said
encouraged or mandatory

6538
05:05:18,010 --> 05:05:20,490
on the 40 foot setbacks.

6539
05:05:20,490 --> 05:05:22,790
So I don't think that
helps anybody but.

6540
05:05:22,790 --> 05:05:29,490


6541
05:05:29,490 --> 05:05:33,120
Well, I can just say I'll just
say I've said it since day one.

6542
05:05:33,120 --> 05:05:36,340
I'm all for the health, safety,
and welfare of the residents

6543
05:05:36,340 --> 05:05:37,420
in this community.

6544
05:05:37,420 --> 05:05:41,580
I feel that there needs
to be some sort of safety

6545
05:05:41,580 --> 05:05:44,280
zone for a fall zone
on any of these poles,

6546
05:05:44,280 --> 05:05:47,780
towers, whatever you
want to call them.

6547
05:05:47,780 --> 05:05:52,740
It wasn't just but a few years
ago when the scheme of cell

6548
05:05:52,740 --> 05:05:55,220
phones that we learned, oh,
maybe we shouldn't hold it

6549
05:05:55,220 --> 05:05:57,860
against our head all day long.

6550
05:05:57,860 --> 05:06:01,860
So we don't know what the
health risks are for something

6551
05:06:01,860 --> 05:06:05,200
that's going to be
transmitting 24/7,

6552
05:06:05,200 --> 05:06:08,680
whether you want it to or
not, immediately next to you,

6553
05:06:08,680 --> 05:06:11,420
within 30, 40.

6554
05:06:11,420 --> 05:06:15,660
I'm agree with the residents.

6555
05:06:15,660 --> 05:06:20,580
I am willing to take the
risk of with the mandatory

6556
05:06:20,580 --> 05:06:25,620
and see where that falls.

6557
05:06:25,620 --> 05:06:33,850
So I was for the mandatory for
the citizens language as well.

6558
05:06:33,850 --> 05:06:38,150


6559
05:06:38,150 --> 05:06:40,550
So with that said,
I mean, my question

6560
05:06:40,550 --> 05:06:44,510
is, are we in an urgency
on this right this second.

6561
05:06:44,510 --> 05:06:48,990
Do we want to see what
encourage plays out to be.

6562
05:06:48,990 --> 05:06:54,390
Because my understanding is
now we can repeal, modify.

6563
05:06:54,390 --> 05:06:58,210
We still have to go through two
readings in regards to this.

6564
05:06:58,210 --> 05:07:00,650
I know it's not what
everybody wants,

6565
05:07:00,650 --> 05:07:02,910
but I think we're at a
point where we can't make

6566
05:07:02,910 --> 05:07:05,470
everybody happy
right now, but we can

6567
05:07:05,470 --> 05:07:08,390
at least make movement on this.

6568
05:07:08,390 --> 05:07:11,870
I think we've got the first
half of this in good shape.

6569
05:07:11,870 --> 05:07:14,270
It's this last two items.

6570
05:07:14,270 --> 05:07:18,430
If we fill this out, see
what comes back in our laps

6571
05:07:18,430 --> 05:07:19,790
and go from there.

6572
05:07:19,790 --> 05:07:23,650
And I will venture to say, I do
believe this is covered on PRM.

6573
05:07:23,650 --> 05:07:24,530
Do I have that correct.

6574
05:07:24,530 --> 05:07:28,160
PRG PR.

6575
05:07:28,160 --> 05:07:31,780
Insurance, all of our cases.

6576
05:07:31,780 --> 05:07:34,520
We have a limit, a
cap that we might hit.

6577
05:07:34,520 --> 05:07:36,580
And that's for the
defense counsel.

6578
05:07:36,580 --> 05:07:39,400
So there will be another
attorney representing us.

6579
05:07:39,400 --> 05:07:41,660
So I'm not corrupt.

6580
05:07:41,660 --> 05:07:43,680
I didn't take any
money from this.

6581
05:07:43,680 --> 05:07:46,900
But there will be another firm
that will have to defend you.

6582
05:07:46,900 --> 05:07:50,000
And our insurance
would not cover

6583
05:07:50,000 --> 05:07:53,320
probably not cover
the attorney's

6584
05:07:53,320 --> 05:07:54,740
fees for the other side.

6585
05:07:54,740 --> 05:07:57,380
That's your biggest danger.

6586
05:07:57,380 --> 05:07:59,460
And it would depend on
how far we go with it.

6587
05:07:59,460 --> 05:08:03,440
So how many hours are
incurred by the other side.

6588
05:08:03,440 --> 05:08:09,000
So if I understand, Commissioner
Robinson, just bring this

6589
05:08:09,000 --> 05:08:10,580
back to where we are right now.

6590
05:08:10,580 --> 05:08:12,620
So you're saying it's a
step in the right direction,

6591
05:08:12,620 --> 05:08:16,240
but you'd like to see
how things play out.

6592
05:08:16,240 --> 05:08:20,400
Basically, I think
we should see what

6593
05:08:20,400 --> 05:08:21,900
we get back from Tallahassee.

6594
05:08:21,900 --> 05:08:23,580
What we get back from the other.

6595
05:08:23,580 --> 05:08:26,410
I mean, we could take this right
now if we want to go forward

6596
05:08:26,410 --> 05:08:29,730
with it and do it again.

6597
05:08:29,730 --> 05:08:31,470
I'm fine with that as well.

6598
05:08:31,470 --> 05:08:36,210
Either way, but I just feel
that we've made some good steps

6599
05:08:36,210 --> 05:08:41,330
and maybe this misstep is worth.

6600
05:08:41,330 --> 05:08:43,450
Seeing how it plays.

6601
05:08:43,450 --> 05:08:45,290
I like that idea.

6602
05:08:45,290 --> 05:08:46,750
I'm not happy about it.

6603
05:08:46,750 --> 05:08:49,970
I think we all messed up.

6604
05:08:49,970 --> 05:08:58,250
I think we weren't very
clear on what we were.

6605
05:08:58,250 --> 05:09:00,530
I certainly agree with
your last statement

6606
05:09:00,530 --> 05:09:02,590
that we can learn from this.

6607
05:09:02,590 --> 05:09:06,010
So we certainly could have
done things a little bit more

6608
05:09:06,010 --> 05:09:06,670
polished.

6609
05:09:06,670 --> 05:09:10,810
I don't think there was any
ill intent on anyone's behalf

6610
05:09:10,810 --> 05:09:14,370
despite accusations
and discontent

6611
05:09:14,370 --> 05:09:18,350
from certain residents, the
word encouraged was used.

6612
05:09:18,350 --> 05:09:23,210
I didn't catch it, and it's
clearly in the transcripts,

6613
05:09:23,210 --> 05:09:24,700
but my position was
clear, and that's

6614
05:09:24,700 --> 05:09:27,280
why I wanted to have this open
and transparent conversation.

6615
05:09:27,280 --> 05:09:32,280
Is that because it was about
intent and not what was stated.

6616
05:09:32,280 --> 05:09:35,140
It's a critical learning point
for this commission moving

6617
05:09:35,140 --> 05:09:37,600
forward, so I'm fine with that.

6618
05:09:37,600 --> 05:09:40,540
Exhibit A just to point out,
I forgot to close that loop.

6619
05:09:40,540 --> 05:09:42,800
But in exhibit A that's
attached to the ordinance,

6620
05:09:42,800 --> 05:09:44,540
it does say registrants
are encouraged

6621
05:09:44,540 --> 05:09:47,360
to meet a setback of at
least it was 30 feet,

6622
05:09:47,360 --> 05:09:49,660
and we changed it
to at least 40.

6623
05:09:49,660 --> 05:09:56,500
Then the second part, it said
the city shall encourage.

6624
05:09:56,500 --> 05:09:58,400
And then it had one, 2, and 3.

6625
05:09:58,400 --> 05:10:01,140
And we added number four.

6626
05:10:01,140 --> 05:10:03,780
So the words appeared
in the exhibit

6627
05:10:03,780 --> 05:10:05,500
that was presented to you.

6628
05:10:05,500 --> 05:10:06,200
It certainly was.

6629
05:10:06,200 --> 05:10:06,720
It is.

6630
05:10:06,720 --> 05:10:08,600
I think there's some
misunderstanding.

6631
05:10:08,600 --> 05:10:11,180
The city strongly
encourages was the wording

6632
05:10:11,180 --> 05:10:17,500
from other interpretations
that things were being made up

6633
05:10:17,500 --> 05:10:22,300
up here or whatever, but we're
following what staff had put out

6634
05:10:22,300 --> 05:10:25,260
and the modifications
were to staff.

6635
05:10:25,260 --> 05:10:29,620
And unfortunately,
like I said, staff

6636
05:10:29,620 --> 05:10:32,620
was trying to I think the words
we used were thread the needle

6637
05:10:32,620 --> 05:10:34,620
to try to make something
that was defensible

6638
05:10:34,620 --> 05:10:36,700
and wouldn't violate
the preemption.

6639
05:10:36,700 --> 05:10:41,220
Correct just for information
for the new commissioners

6640
05:10:41,220 --> 05:10:43,860
and the existing ones,
Florida Home rule

6641
05:10:43,860 --> 05:10:47,100
allows us to do
anything as long as it's

6642
05:10:47,100 --> 05:10:51,080
not unconstitutional and not in
conflict with the state statute.

6643
05:10:51,080 --> 05:10:53,640
So if a state statute
says we can't do it,

6644
05:10:53,640 --> 05:10:56,400
that takes away our home
rule ability to act.

6645
05:10:56,400 --> 05:10:59,420


6646
05:10:59,420 --> 05:11:03,380
OK over to the chair.

6647
05:11:03,380 --> 05:11:09,880
I will tell you that just
comments real quick on that.

6648
05:11:09,880 --> 05:11:13,140
I mean, I think it puts
both Mr. Causey and myself

6649
05:11:13,140 --> 05:11:15,620
in an odd situation to try
and figure out what was

6650
05:11:15,620 --> 05:11:17,800
intended before we took office.

6651
05:11:17,800 --> 05:11:23,350
So, I don't know if
we have on record,

6652
05:11:23,350 --> 05:11:27,270
the prior mayor and the
prior commissioner's intent

6653
05:11:27,270 --> 05:11:28,910
formally on record.

6654
05:11:28,910 --> 05:11:32,190
That may help with this,
but be that as it may,

6655
05:11:32,190 --> 05:11:33,490
I think this is an
item for discussion.

6656
05:11:33,490 --> 05:11:35,030
Do we have any action
item we need to do

6657
05:11:35,030 --> 05:11:36,370
out of this or just discussion.

6658
05:11:36,370 --> 05:11:38,270
All right.

6659
05:11:38,270 --> 05:11:39,950
So just in the
interest of time, I

6660
05:11:39,950 --> 05:11:41,750
think we've got
about seven minutes

6661
05:11:41,750 --> 05:11:43,810
based on what we last we said.

6662
05:11:43,810 --> 05:11:44,690
So I'm sorry.

6663
05:11:44,690 --> 05:11:46,310
So do we have a
consensus that we're

6664
05:11:46,310 --> 05:11:50,230
going to keep the ordinance
as is and not keep it as it

6665
05:11:50,230 --> 05:11:52,470
is and see how it plays out.

6666
05:11:52,470 --> 05:11:54,490
For now, we can give
it a time frame.

6667
05:11:54,490 --> 05:11:56,190
If we want to be
absolutely clear.

6668
05:11:56,190 --> 05:11:57,890
Yes do we want to
give it a time.

6669
05:11:57,890 --> 05:11:59,830
Do we want to give
it a time frame.

6670
05:11:59,830 --> 05:12:00,450
What is.

6671
05:12:00,450 --> 05:12:02,170
You can initiate it
at any time you want.

6672
05:12:02,170 --> 05:12:03,830
So if we come back
next week, you

6673
05:12:03,830 --> 05:12:06,330
want to do something, or the
week after or next month.

6674
05:12:06,330 --> 05:12:08,530
What's the AG's usual 30 days.

6675
05:12:08,530 --> 05:12:09,690
You said from receipt.

6676
05:12:09,690 --> 05:12:11,650
Yeah that's when it
will become effective.

6677
05:12:11,650 --> 05:12:13,530
So it's not even effective
to wait for that.

6678
05:12:13,530 --> 05:12:15,390
It feels silly to
do it next time.

6679
05:12:15,390 --> 05:12:16,130
Yeah Wait, wait.

6680
05:12:16,130 --> 05:12:16,690
The time frame.

6681
05:12:16,690 --> 05:12:18,010
So thank you, John.

6682
05:12:18,010 --> 05:12:18,840
Thank you.

6683
05:12:18,840 --> 05:12:19,520
Thank you.

6684
05:12:19,520 --> 05:12:20,920
All right.

6685
05:12:20,920 --> 05:12:22,560
All right.

6686
05:12:22,560 --> 05:12:23,060
Let's see.

6687
05:12:23,060 --> 05:12:24,640
City clerk.

6688
05:12:24,640 --> 05:12:26,840
Any reports, please.

6689
05:12:26,840 --> 05:12:29,420
Yes so following the
election of Mayor Tate,

6690
05:12:29,420 --> 05:12:31,440
he was required to
resign from his position

6691
05:12:31,440 --> 05:12:32,940
on the police pension board.

6692
05:12:32,940 --> 05:12:35,140
As a result, a vacancy
now exists for that seat.

6693
05:12:35,140 --> 05:12:37,180
The city clerk's office
is accepting applications,

6694
05:12:37,180 --> 05:12:40,847
and the applicants must be
residents of ST Pete Beach.

6695
05:12:40,847 --> 05:12:42,880
Additionally, there have been
some recent board and committee

6696
05:12:42,880 --> 05:12:44,240
membership changes.

6697
05:12:44,240 --> 05:12:46,840
Rich lorenzon is no longer
serving on the planning board.

6698
05:12:46,840 --> 05:12:48,960
Mark kanich has transitioned
from the finance and budget

6699
05:12:48,960 --> 05:12:50,620
review committee to
the planning board,

6700
05:12:50,620 --> 05:12:52,960
and Kathy English has returned
to serve on the finance

6701
05:12:52,960 --> 05:12:56,040
and budget review committee.

6702
05:12:56,040 --> 05:12:59,140
OK thank you.

6703
05:12:59,140 --> 05:13:00,420
City manager, any reports.

6704
05:13:00,420 --> 05:13:02,400
Nothing to report.

6705
05:13:02,400 --> 05:13:03,480
City attorney.

6706
05:13:03,480 --> 05:13:06,520
I'll give you a legislative
update at your next meeting.

6707
05:13:06,520 --> 05:13:07,760
Sounds good.

6708
05:13:07,760 --> 05:13:09,040
Thank you.

6709
05:13:09,040 --> 05:13:10,840
Commissioner reports.

6710
05:13:10,840 --> 05:13:13,400
I'll start with Mr.
Mr. Maldonado, please.

6711
05:13:13,400 --> 05:13:14,220
Thank you.

6712
05:13:14,220 --> 05:13:16,490
Chair So again, thank you to
the city manager for attending

6713
05:13:16,490 --> 05:13:19,770
the community meeting that
we had over at the Warren

6714
05:13:19,770 --> 05:13:20,910
Webster building.

6715
05:13:20,910 --> 05:13:24,850
Well attended, close to 50
people, some great conversations

6716
05:13:24,850 --> 05:13:26,250
and things to work on.

6717
05:13:26,250 --> 05:13:31,010
Again, welcome to our new mayor,
new commissioner, and sincere

6718
05:13:31,010 --> 05:13:33,090
thank you to our outgoing
mayor and Commissioner

6719
05:13:33,090 --> 05:13:35,510
for all their hard
work for the community.

6720
05:13:35,510 --> 05:13:36,470
So that's all I've got.

6721
05:13:36,470 --> 05:13:38,610
Thank you.

6722
05:13:38,610 --> 05:13:40,730
Thank you, Commissioner coursey.

6723
05:13:40,730 --> 05:13:45,850
I would just like to highlight
that we parking is in focus

6724
05:13:45,850 --> 05:13:50,050
right now, and I've already
spoken with our staff about

6725
05:13:50,050 --> 05:13:54,370
parking, and I know they're
working on it and specifically

6726
05:13:54,370 --> 05:14:00,470
want to move into the short
queue now 46th Street,

6727
05:14:00,470 --> 05:14:02,250
after we've looked at some.

6728
05:14:02,250 --> 05:14:03,830
That's 46th Avenue.

6729
05:14:03,830 --> 05:14:07,690


6730
05:14:07,690 --> 05:14:10,570
OK thank you,
Commissioner Robinson.

6731
05:14:10,570 --> 05:14:12,530
I'm looking at I
just want to let

6732
05:14:12,530 --> 05:14:14,380
everybody know I'll be able
to make an announcement

6733
05:14:14,380 --> 05:14:16,660
at the next meeting.

6734
05:14:16,660 --> 05:14:22,140
Re-establishing my
library hours for meeting.

6735
05:14:22,140 --> 05:14:24,260
Thank you,
Commissioner Marriott.

6736
05:14:24,260 --> 05:14:25,620
Yes thank you.

6737
05:14:25,620 --> 05:14:27,460
Welcome to our new
mayor and Commissioner

6738
05:14:27,460 --> 05:14:28,700
from district three.

6739
05:14:28,700 --> 05:14:31,060
And I want to let
everyone know I'm

6740
05:14:31,060 --> 05:14:33,600
going to have a beer with
Commissioner event on Tuesday,

6741
05:14:33,600 --> 05:14:34,400
March 31.

6742
05:14:34,400 --> 05:14:37,580
A week from tonight
at mastery's brewing.

6743
05:14:37,580 --> 05:14:41,780
Beer drinking is not
mandatory, but I'll have one.

6744
05:14:41,780 --> 05:14:45,700
And I also want to thank
the folks at Corry Avenue

6745
05:14:45,700 --> 05:14:47,740
and the Corry Avenue
business association

6746
05:14:47,740 --> 05:14:51,320
for putting on an awesome ST
Patrick's Day celebration.

6747
05:14:51,320 --> 05:14:54,460
It was really great to see all
the people having a great time.

6748
05:14:54,460 --> 05:14:58,020
And don't forget the Concert
in the Park this Friday.

6749
05:14:58,020 --> 05:14:59,940
Yeah thank you.

6750
05:14:59,940 --> 05:15:02,080
I think we wrap up
with my comments.

6751
05:15:02,080 --> 05:15:05,340
I echo the city
events that we've

6752
05:15:05,340 --> 05:15:08,900
been doing concert in the
parks, the ST Patrick's Day,

6753
05:15:08,900 --> 05:15:10,420
lots of smiling faces.

6754
05:15:10,420 --> 05:15:12,110
Really, really good to see.

6755
05:15:12,110 --> 05:15:15,470
I know I'm bending our
city manager's ear a lot

6756
05:15:15,470 --> 05:15:16,210
over the next.

6757
05:15:16,210 --> 05:15:18,250
Over the past few weeks and
the weeks going forward,

6758
05:15:18,250 --> 05:15:22,670
and I appreciate all of
the city staff and folks

6759
05:15:22,670 --> 05:15:26,290
for obliging me for my many
questions coming so far.

6760
05:15:26,290 --> 05:15:28,630
So thank you very much.

6761
05:15:28,630 --> 05:15:33,310
With that, I think
we're ready to adjourn.

6762
05:15:33,310 --> 05:15:35,830
All right under the wire.

6763
05:15:35,830 --> 05:15:38,570
This commission
meeting is adjourned.

6764
05:15:38,570 --> 05:15:40,340
Thank you.

6765
05:15:40,340 --> 05:16:11,000