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The city commission of
ST Pete Beach together.

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It is 6 o'clock PM
on August 25, 2026.

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Will you please join us and rise
for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America

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and to the Republic
for which it stands.

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One nation under
God, indivisible,

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with liberty and
justice for all.

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Strong city clerk,
will you please call.

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Roll call.

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Commissioner Marriott here.

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Vice mayor Robinson here.

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Commissioner Causey here.

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Commissioner Maldonado here.

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Mayor Tate here.

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We have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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Are there any proposed
changes to the agenda.

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I have some questions
on consent items.

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OK just for clarification
purposes, items B and C.

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And then a.

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Correction for j letter
correction on J. OK thank you.

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To add an item to
discussions, sir.

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Mothballs on the beach.

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Do we have a motion to approve
the agenda, as amended.

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I'll move to approve
the agenda, as amended.

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Second commissioner Marriott.

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Yes, Vice Mayor Robertson.

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Yes, Commissioner.

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Yes commissioner.

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Maldonado yes.

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Mayor Tate.

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Yes The motion carries.

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OK thank you very much.

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Moving on to our presentations.

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First presentation
micro-transit services.

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Consideration of contract
amount or discontinuation.

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Good evening.

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Mayor commission.

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Mandy Edmonds, resident services
director, for the record.

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And we'll be going through
the presentation tonight.

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For transit services.

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All right.

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So tonight we're
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direction on transit services.

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The presentation covers
two related topics.

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First, the city's micro-transit
procurement, where things stand

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and the direction we
need from the Commission

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on the program's future.

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Second star service and
funding update for FY 27,

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including ridership
data, service options,

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and the direction
we are requesting

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on the scope of its
service in ST Pete Beach.

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We'll move through
four parts tonight.

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The micro-transit
procurement process,

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the micro-transit
direction request,

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and the psta service
and funding update

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in the psta direction request.

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Brad Miller is here.

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He is the CEO for psta.

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And then the assistant
city manager, Adam Poirier.

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And I will be happy to take
any questions at the end.

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So let's start with where the
micro-transit procurement stands

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today.

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The city issued a
competitive solicitation,

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a request for proposals for
micro-transit services 5 vendors

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submitted proposals
by the deadline,

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including the vendor currently
under contract with the city.

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Bids ranged widely
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to approximately 225,000 to over
1 million plus on the high end.

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To put some names
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we did have our current
service provider

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bid mid-range and submitted
under the current service model.

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The bid opening is complete,
but the full procurement

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process has not been completed.

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The proposals still
need to be vetted

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by city's internal
evaluation committee

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before staff can bring forward
a vendor recommendation.

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Tonight's request is not
for a vendor selection.

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It's for direction
on the program

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itself, which I'll
get to in a moment.

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One more note before we move on.

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Microtransit is not the city's
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option.

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Psta also provides service
here in ST. Pete Beach,

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utilizing the Suncoast beach
trolley, sunrunner and psta

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access, and we'll walk
through that in more detail

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later in the presentation.

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So staff is
requesting commission

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direction on the future of
microtransit program itself.

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Two options are presented
for consideration.

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Option one is to
retain the service.

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Under this option,
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would direct staff to
continue microtransit service

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and establish a not to exceed
dollar amount for the contract.

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Service to residents
continues uninterrupted.

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The commission sets a
firm budget ceiling,

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and staff proceeds to
negotiate final contract terms

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within that cap, with vendor
selection and pricing finalized

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administratively
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committee completes its review.

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Option 2 is to
discontinue the service.

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Under this option,
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would direct staff to remove
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program offerings completely.

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This eliminates the ongoing
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but residents may lose
access to transit options.

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Staff would begin the wind
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of the program.

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The current contract
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and no new procurement
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Staff respectfully requests that
commission select a direction

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so we can proceed accordingly.

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Moving into psta.

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So the Pinellas Suncoast Transit
Authority and the cities funding

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support for its
services for FY 27.

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Psta is proposing a city
subsidy of $242,000, $242,000.

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Yes, that's a change from 26.

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The prior subsidy funded for
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psta access and route 90.

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Psta is proposing to
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so the proposed 242,000
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and psta access going forward.

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So now a quick
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on this slide covering the first
10 months of this fiscal year.

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All figures are up more than
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That's largely tied to Hurricane
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So keep that context
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look at the additional
numbers on the sunrunner

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the northbound
service into ST Pete.

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Boardings or ST Pete Beach
boarding or no Saint Petersburg

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boardings at the
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stops totaled roughly
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I want to flag that one
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is shown for visibility
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The city does not currently
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financially on the Suncoast
beach trolley, which is

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the service the city does fund.

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The ST Pete Beach
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boardings over the same period.

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Again up about 11% roughly 15%
of the total trolley ridership.

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Boards within ST Pete Beach
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One important operational
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terminates at 75th Avenue.

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That's relevant context as
we move into the next slide

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on service options.

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To access the
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The trip count data specific to
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is still pending, and will
be available at a later date.

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There is an important
contingency to flag, however,

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if the city were to
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psta access pickups in ST Pete
Beach would be limited to areas

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North of 90th Avenue
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to Treasure Island border.

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That would be a meaningful
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South of that line.

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We are still vetting how
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paratransit service with psta.

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Given the possibility
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could be reduced or eliminated.

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Psta is offering the ST.
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as a potential alternative.

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This would provide up
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flamingo fare cards,
offering free rides

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on all psta bus service.

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The trolley and the
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ST Pete Beach residents.

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It excludes psta access.

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The estimated cost is
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adjusting afterward based
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inflationary increase.

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Staff would still
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additional information
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forward with this option.

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On extending the trolley,
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to extend service
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Psta provided the cost to extend
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estimated at about
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in additional annual subsidy,
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on distance extending
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specifically to the
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likely double that estimate.

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Staff respectfully requests that
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Ridership and
service information

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and decide on the future
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in ST Pete Beach.

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So that brings us to the
direction we're requesting

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from commission at psta.

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Two questions.

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First, does the commission
wish to continue funding

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psta service, the Suncoast
beach trolley and psta

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access for ST Pete Beach.

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Second, if yes, at
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That includes the proposed
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and whether the commission
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as resident upass or the trolley
extension to County beach park.

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Staff and psta respectfully
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directions on both the
micro transit and psta star

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items presented
tonight and we are

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happy to take questions
Mr. Maldonado,

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so normally we see a
staff recommendation.

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Do we have a staff
recommendation.

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We do not have a staff
recommendation at this time.

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We are still going through
the procurement process

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as far as microtransit
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So at this point, we do
not have recommendation.

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We're just looking for
guidance to whether move

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forward in the
procurement process

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or to eliminate the service.

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Mandy thank you.

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And you said you
pass would be free.

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You mean it would be
no cost to residents.

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It's not free.

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We would be paying for it.

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Still, it would be that $4,000
charge as we know it right now.

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We're still
gathering information

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from psta on what exactly
that program would look like.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Commissioner Causey.

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I just talk to sta
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So can we clarify
in my mind what

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route 90 is the PSC route 90.

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I'm going to defer to our
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on some of the details
for the PSC questions.

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So perhaps here too,
if I speak wrong.

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But route 90 was
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Street South down the Bay way
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So it was a relatively small
route that had been recommended

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for removal by the psta board.

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So I don't know if they've
officially voted on removal

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of that, but they were.

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Where's the terminal ending of
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or on that route that
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I believe the County park.

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Is that correct, Brian.

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Yeah County Park.

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And then in general, I
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I living right there and
past the place of County Park

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all the time.

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And it's very common to
see two sunrunners parked

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there for a period of time.

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And occasionally there will
be a third sunrunner that

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can't fit into the County park.

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And it's parked
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So that's blocking
the bike lane and one

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of the lanes on Gulf Boulevard.

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While they're waiting for one
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So I guess my general question
would be, is there a waiting

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time that they have programmed
into the route at the County

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park.

260
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Because our County Parks
are not very large,

261
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and it seems like it's not a
great place to stop and wait.

262
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So I would like to
understand that more.

263
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And also, maybe there
would never be two of them

264
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parked there at the same time.

265
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I don't have an answer.

266
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Yeah, well, I'm just posing some
questions since Brad's here,

267
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and I think that's
something I would like

268
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to definitely get the answer.

269
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Commissioner Causey, please
speak into your microphone.

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This microphone.

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Good evening, Brad Miller.

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I'm the CEO of psta.

273
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Thank you for having me.

274
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That was the easy question.

275
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Yeah OK.

276
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Yeah so we're supposed to have
the maximum of two sunrunners

277
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there.

278
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Yes there is a
scheduled recovery

279
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time, which is what we call it.

280
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They get about 10
minutes there at the end

281
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of the line of the
County beach park

282
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before they go around and
go back to ST Petersburg.

283
00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:25,070
So I do know that yeah,
there are sometimes two.

284
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If you've seen 3, that's
not supposed to happen.

285
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The goal, the whole system
is supposed to operate,

286
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so they all stay evenly spaced.

287
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I will definitely
take that back.

288
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Make sure that there
shouldn't be a time

289
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when you haven't seen three.

290
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That's why probably
it was parked outside.

291
00:16:43,250 --> 00:16:44,210
Because you're right.

292
00:16:44,210 --> 00:16:47,230
There's not enough space
for three buses to be there.

293
00:16:47,230 --> 00:16:48,410
Yeah, yeah.

294
00:16:48,410 --> 00:16:53,130
I understand how schedules can
get off on something like that,

295
00:16:53,130 --> 00:16:57,510
but it does that have to
be the end of the route.

296
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Like, is there a way that we
could make the service to ST

297
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Pete Beach, stop there and then
leave so that there's not a bus

298
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just parked at that place.

299
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And that would probably
stop that whole problem.

300
00:17:13,589 --> 00:17:15,750
Yeah well, essentially
the sunrunner just

301
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goes back and forth and a
loop essentially from downtown

302
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ST Petersburg to the beach.

303
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And so the County
beach park and then

304
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there's another layover at the
other end in ST Petersburg.

305
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So there's only two stops
on that whole route.

306
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There's only two
spots on the route

307
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where they do have
recovery time.

308
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Oh recovery time.

309
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So we couldn't
change the recovery

310
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time to a different spot.

311
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I would be happy.

312
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We can look into reducing the
amount of time at the beach

313
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or making it less often that you
have more than one bus there.

314
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Yeah, I think that would
be a key improvement.

315
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So I guess that
answers that question.

316
00:18:03,020 --> 00:18:05,980
And then that's
it for me for now.

317
00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:08,320
Then I've got a
few more, but I'm

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going to Commissioner Robinson.

319
00:18:09,900 --> 00:18:11,440
I have a question.

320
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What was the
ridership or what is

321
00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,080
the ridership for the route 90.

322
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,020
The route 90.

323
00:18:18,020 --> 00:18:21,520
Oh, it's relatively low.

324
00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,240
Essentially that route has
been there a lot longer.

325
00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,140
And it has come
from ST Petersburg,

326
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going South past the Don
Cesar and then up and it.

327
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Mostly it just operates very
few trips in the morning

328
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and in the afternoon
for work trips,

329
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mostly people that are
working at the hotels,

330
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and most of the riders
have transferred

331
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to using the sunrunner, which
comes much more frequently.

332
00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:47,100
What's to the trade winds.

333
00:18:47,100 --> 00:18:50,560
What is the ridership,
though, on that.

334
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,840
I'd have to look up exactly
what the ridership was on it.

335
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,880
Just trying to compare that
to what the trolley is.

336
00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,460
So it's much, much
less it's much,

337
00:19:01,460 --> 00:19:03,980
much less than is it 10,000.

338
00:19:03,980 --> 00:19:05,620
Is it 40,000.

339
00:19:05,620 --> 00:19:09,480
I mean, much less is
a very nebulous term.

340
00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,440
So I'm just trying to
get a handle on what

341
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much less it would be 0.

342
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,400
It's not 0, but it's very low.

343
00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,720
It's a couple.

344
00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:22,640
It's maybe less
than 1,000 a month.

345
00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,250
And the trolley is trolley
is more like 60,000 a month.

346
00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:31,910
So for June, the
route 90 was 785.

347
00:19:31,910 --> 00:19:33,790
OK thank you riders.

348
00:19:33,790 --> 00:19:43,530
Yeah So you're cutting that
just due to cost and ridership.

349
00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:44,550
Yes OK.

350
00:19:44,550 --> 00:19:45,150
Thank you.

351
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352
00:19:50,210 --> 00:19:51,030
So sorry.

353
00:19:51,030 --> 00:19:52,710
Just to make sure I
level set my head.

354
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:55,690
So route 90, the decision
to discontinue that

355
00:19:55,690 --> 00:19:56,883
is effectively done right.

356
00:19:56,883 --> 00:19:58,150
You're not asking
our opinion on that.

357
00:19:58,150 --> 00:19:59,317
If I'm understanding
you correctly,

358
00:19:59,317 --> 00:20:00,890
that's a decision
that's been made.

359
00:20:00,890 --> 00:20:02,410
Route 90 will ceasefire.

360
00:20:02,410 --> 00:20:05,070
Officially the decision has
not been made by the PSA board.

361
00:20:05,070 --> 00:20:06,630
That's going to
be made tomorrow.

362
00:20:06,630 --> 00:20:09,930
Whether or not to go
with staff recommendation

363
00:20:09,930 --> 00:20:12,090
to eliminate that route.

364
00:20:12,090 --> 00:20:20,090
The financial information that
was presented to you on $242,000

365
00:20:20,090 --> 00:20:23,330
being the operating cost
for in ST Pete Beach

366
00:20:23,330 --> 00:20:25,730
of the transit services
for the trolley

367
00:20:25,730 --> 00:20:27,810
and the ski access service.

368
00:20:27,810 --> 00:20:31,490
For fiscal year 27 does
not include the 90.

369
00:20:31,490 --> 00:20:34,290
Assumes that the
PSA board will vote

370
00:20:34,290 --> 00:20:36,770
tomorrow to not operate the 90.

371
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:42,070
OK last year's number of
220 did include the 90.

372
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:45,570
So I'm sorry, just because
I'm trying to retain

373
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the numbers in my head.

374
00:20:46,430 --> 00:20:49,890
So last year, we paid
220 with route 90.

375
00:20:49,890 --> 00:20:50,790
With route 90.

376
00:20:50,790 --> 00:20:54,830
OK Take some notes here so I can
keep this straight in my head.

377
00:20:54,830 --> 00:20:59,250
So in 2026, we paid $220,000.

378
00:20:59,250 --> 00:21:00,610
Including route 90.

379
00:21:00,610 --> 00:21:03,730
Correct OK.

380
00:21:03,730 --> 00:21:08,810
And presumably next year, would
the baked in number for 2027

381
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:10,890
assumes that 90 is
not going to be there.

382
00:21:10,890 --> 00:21:11,830
Correct right.

383
00:21:11,830 --> 00:21:19,490
And the 2027 number is 242 OK.

384
00:21:19,490 --> 00:21:26,440
All right, so I have to
just be up front with you.

385
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,740
I'm hearing 42,000 more for
a drop off of 90, right.

386
00:21:31,740 --> 00:21:33,840
220 was the cost last year.

387
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,180
Did I hear that right.

388
00:21:35,180 --> 00:21:37,700
220 for last year
and includes 90

389
00:21:37,700 --> 00:21:40,860
includes route 90
including route 90,

390
00:21:40,860 --> 00:21:45,220
including the portion of route
90 that's in ST Pete Beach.

391
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:47,360
26th year we're in now.

392
00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:52,260
Yes and then 242 for
fiscal year 2027.

393
00:21:52,260 --> 00:21:54,100
Excludes route 90.

394
00:21:54,100 --> 00:21:56,300
Excludes route 90.

395
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:57,480
Yes OK.

396
00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,380
So I'm just making
sure I hear it again.

397
00:22:00,380 --> 00:22:01,660
More money.

398
00:22:01,660 --> 00:22:02,360
Route 90.

399
00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:05,100
Gone am, I am, I am,
I mistaken on that.

400
00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:05,600
You are.

401
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,700
You are correct on that OK.

402
00:22:10,700 --> 00:22:13,980
Assuming route 90 goes
away, what does that leave

403
00:22:13,980 --> 00:22:17,280
us with psta buses in the city.

404
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,200
That will remain, I think.

405
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,100
I think we've still
got the trolley

406
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:22,420
and then we've got another one
that comes on the North side

407
00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:23,440
or what remains.

408
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,180
Let me just ask you
that current bus service

409
00:22:26,180 --> 00:22:29,500
in ST Pete Beach
today versus what

410
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,820
might change if root
90 is eliminated.

411
00:22:33,820 --> 00:22:35,340
Which route does that leave us.

412
00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:38,480
OK, so right now you have
the Suncoast beach trolley,

413
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,980
which comes down Gulf Boulevard
all the way from Clearwater,

414
00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:44,220
down Gulf Boulevard, all
the way down into through

415
00:22:44,220 --> 00:22:46,500
Treasure Island and
then into ST Pete Beach

416
00:22:46,500 --> 00:22:49,100
and ends at 75th and Gulf.

417
00:22:49,100 --> 00:22:54,380
And we've provided the
ridership on that in ST beach.

418
00:22:54,380 --> 00:22:58,380
We number 2 is the sun runner
that comes from ST Petersburg,

419
00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:01,020
on the sun runner that goes
to the County beach park.

420
00:23:01,020 --> 00:23:04,180
And then third,
today is the route

421
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:07,540
90, a very limited service
just in the morning

422
00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:09,540
and in the afternoon
that operates

423
00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:11,420
through the County
beach park, but comes

424
00:23:11,420 --> 00:23:13,700
down through the bayway.

425
00:23:13,700 --> 00:23:17,020
In addition to that,
PSC access service

426
00:23:17,020 --> 00:23:23,940
paratransit services for
about 3,800 people this year.

427
00:23:23,940 --> 00:23:27,460
Through June this
fiscal year so far.

428
00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:30,900
That's also provided today.

429
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:36,940
Next fiscal year for 242,000 is
the Suncoast beach trolley down

430
00:23:36,940 --> 00:23:42,580
Gulf Boulevard, ST Pete Beach,
75th and Gulf sun runner up,

431
00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:46,620
and the PSC access services.

432
00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:51,260
OK, sun runner to County beach.

433
00:23:51,260 --> 00:23:53,120
So I'm drawing a map in my head.

434
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:55,680
I wish I a map that would tell
me, show me the routes, right.

435
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:57,980
So I got a trolley coming
down from Clearwater

436
00:23:57,980 --> 00:24:00,400
to 75th in Gulf sun runner.

437
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,560
I know it ends at County beach.

438
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:02,460
Where does it come through.

439
00:24:02,460 --> 00:24:04,360
Does it come across 75th?

440
00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:06,240
I assume it comes
down to County beach.

441
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,420
It goes up Gulf Boulevard,
turns on 75th and goes

442
00:24:09,420 --> 00:24:11,200
to downtown ST Petersburg.

443
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,680
OK And just back and forth.

444
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,300
So between County
park and up 75th.

445
00:24:16,300 --> 00:24:19,510
And then heretofore
we've got a route

446
00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:21,310
90, which comes
across the Bay way

447
00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:23,470
and back up to the
same County beach.

448
00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:27,030
That may go away pending
decisions going soon.

449
00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:32,990
And then the 220, the
220,000 that we paid

450
00:24:32,990 --> 00:24:34,970
in 2026 that included route 90.

451
00:24:34,970 --> 00:24:38,730
Did that also include
the psta access.

452
00:24:38,730 --> 00:24:41,950
I guess the handicap piece
was that baked into the 220

453
00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:46,350
or was that an additional charge
on top of the 220 for 2026?

454
00:24:46,350 --> 00:24:48,690
Well, that was
included in the 220.

455
00:24:48,690 --> 00:24:49,910
It is included.

456
00:24:49,910 --> 00:24:52,190
Yes OK.

457
00:24:52,190 --> 00:24:58,770
All right.

458
00:24:58,770 --> 00:25:01,790
I'm just.

459
00:25:01,790 --> 00:25:04,290
Again, I'm kind of mentally
just drawing this out.

460
00:25:04,290 --> 00:25:07,390
So we've got most of
our theoretically route

461
00:25:07,390 --> 00:25:08,090
90 goes away.

462
00:25:08,090 --> 00:25:11,190
We've got most of our island
covered North of County park,

463
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:15,010
but everything South is now
unserved from sda's perspective.

464
00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:19,030
Effective if I just mentally
math or mentally map that out.

465
00:25:19,030 --> 00:25:23,470
Well, let me ask, were there
any stops to the South.

466
00:25:23,470 --> 00:25:26,010
It was or was it
really being served.

467
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:28,470
I guess I would say.

468
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:31,750
I mean, I was mentioning
it's about a 700

469
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:35,830
and some total riders per
month, pretty low ridership.

470
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:40,990
The other stuff that people
have are workers at the dances

471
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:47,150
are use that some workers would
no longer have bus service.

472
00:25:47,150 --> 00:25:48,730
Well was it stopping there.

473
00:25:48,730 --> 00:25:50,610
It just goes to the County park.

474
00:25:50,610 --> 00:25:53,710
And then they were making their
way from there to the well.

475
00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:57,390
It comes down from down 34th
Street in ST Petersburg,

476
00:25:57,390 --> 00:26:01,030
then across the bayway past
Eckerd college there and then

477
00:26:01,030 --> 00:26:03,030
to the Don says are
people would get off there

478
00:26:03,030 --> 00:26:05,350
and then it would go up
Gulf Boulevard to end

479
00:26:05,350 --> 00:26:06,950
at the County beach park.

480
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:09,910
So it's really the 34th
Street people that are

481
00:26:09,910 --> 00:26:12,670
not being served at this point.

482
00:26:12,670 --> 00:26:16,160
But what we believe and what
we already that some people are

483
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,360
already doing what we
believe is an alternative

484
00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:21,660
for those same workers
would be that they can take.

485
00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:24,480
We have a good
service on Route 34

486
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,140
in ST Petersburg up
to the sunrunner,

487
00:26:27,140 --> 00:26:29,320
and then they can come
over here on the sunrunner,

488
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,260
down to the County beach
park, South to North to South.

489
00:26:32,260 --> 00:26:34,520
The only stop that would
not be served anymore

490
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,320
would be at the Don Cesar.

491
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,940
OK OK.

492
00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:42,360
I'll pause for a moment
Mr. Marriott, please.

493
00:26:42,360 --> 00:26:43,600
Yeah thank you.

494
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,260
Thanks, Brad.

495
00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:46,200
I did have a question.

496
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,880
I wanted to clarify
a couple of things

497
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,360
about the psta access program.

498
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:57,600
And so the ACCESS program
is it's both dedicated

499
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,380
or shared ride handicap vans.

500
00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:02,560
Is that correct for
people in wheelchairs

501
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,660
and that sort of thing.

502
00:27:03,660 --> 00:27:07,360
And also essentially like
subsidized Uber rides

503
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:09,600
for people who can't
get to the bus stop

504
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,520
or can't have a disability
that prevents them from being

505
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:13,700
able to get to a bus stop.

506
00:27:13,700 --> 00:27:16,000
Is that the or ride
the bus independently.

507
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,100
Do I have that.

508
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:19,320
Basically all of the
PSA access services

509
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,300
for people with disabilities,
people who have a disability,

510
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:29,360
they qualify for both programs,
either the regular van service

511
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,920
or what we call mobility
on demand, which basically

512
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,720
means same day or real
time requests using

513
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,560
an Uber or Lyft or a taxi.

514
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,220
And people have to
apply to the PSA,

515
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:46,780
you guys have a program where
they apply, they get verified,

516
00:27:46,780 --> 00:27:49,340
they get approved, and then
they can use that program.

517
00:27:49,340 --> 00:27:54,520
And is that program and
I may have this incorrect

518
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,480
is that are people only
eligible for that program

519
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,400
if they're a certain x number
of miles away from a bus stop

520
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,920
or that it would be for
all of ST Pete Beach

521
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,500
if we pay for the service, it's
for anyone in ST. Pete Beach,

522
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:12,230
whether there's someone
in pass-a-grille.

523
00:28:12,230 --> 00:28:15,150
It doesn't matter if there's
not a bus stop close to there.

524
00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:17,110
They still have access
to that program.

525
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:19,590
That is our current policy.

526
00:28:19,590 --> 00:28:21,070
Is anywhere.

527
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:22,150
OK anywhere.

528
00:28:22,150 --> 00:28:22,950
OK perfect.

529
00:28:22,950 --> 00:28:24,530
Thank you.

530
00:28:24,530 --> 00:28:26,910
And then I think a
minute ago, you said.

531
00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:30,370
I thought you said
a number of riders

532
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:32,050
from ST Pete Beach
who participate

533
00:28:32,050 --> 00:28:35,650
in the ACCESS program.

534
00:28:35,650 --> 00:28:38,650
Or was I misunderstanding
a number.

535
00:28:38,650 --> 00:28:42,330
I looked it up.

536
00:28:42,330 --> 00:28:45,550
So far this fiscal
year through June 30,

537
00:28:45,550 --> 00:28:50,290
from October 1 to June
30 was 3,800 trips

538
00:28:50,290 --> 00:28:51,850
starting in ST Pete Beach.

539
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:57,770
And about the same number
returning to ST Pete Beach.

540
00:28:57,770 --> 00:29:01,170
So 3809 months,
3801 way trips out

541
00:29:01,170 --> 00:29:05,690
of ST Pete Beach on the x-axis
and the mobility on demand

542
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:07,170
combined.

543
00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:07,670
Got it.

544
00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:08,250
Thank you.

545
00:29:08,250 --> 00:29:09,210
I'm sorry.

546
00:29:09,210 --> 00:29:10,150
The fiscal year.

547
00:29:10,150 --> 00:29:11,110
So October 1.

548
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:12,690
Through you said
the end of July.

549
00:29:12,690 --> 00:29:14,770
June 30.

550
00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:16,850
Nine months.

551
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:18,830
And can you clarify where the.

552
00:29:18,830 --> 00:29:21,130
If they started
in ST. Pete Beach,

553
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:23,450
what are the limits
of where they're

554
00:29:23,450 --> 00:29:25,970
headed to under that program.

555
00:29:25,970 --> 00:29:30,930
I mean, how is what
is their destination.

556
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:33,310
Well, the service goes
anywhere in Pinellas County.

557
00:29:33,310 --> 00:29:35,810
So anywhere in Pinellas County.

558
00:29:35,810 --> 00:29:40,210
A lot of medical trips
and other key services.

559
00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:43,370
Again, they're all
people with disabilities.

560
00:29:43,370 --> 00:29:47,410
Mostly the average
age is pretty old

561
00:29:47,410 --> 00:29:50,890
and they are going everywhere.

562
00:29:50,890 --> 00:29:52,830
Yeah, it's grocery
stores, shopping,

563
00:29:52,830 --> 00:29:54,150
Doctor appointments, whatever.

564
00:29:54,150 --> 00:29:59,210
Yeah Thank you on that.

565
00:29:59,210 --> 00:29:59,790
I missed that.

566
00:29:59,790 --> 00:30:02,170
What was the cost
on that for just

567
00:30:02,170 --> 00:30:06,690
the psta access and
mobility on demand

568
00:30:06,690 --> 00:30:08,510
is our separate cost for those.

569
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:13,010
We haven't developed
a cost of just that.

570
00:30:13,010 --> 00:30:16,670
We're happy to provide that
if you're interested in that.

571
00:30:16,670 --> 00:30:19,770
Yeah, I'd be interested in that.

572
00:30:19,770 --> 00:30:24,970
Yeah Mr. Maldonado.

573
00:30:24,970 --> 00:30:26,390
Yeah I can see you
working over there.

574
00:30:26,390 --> 00:30:28,590
Yeah Brad.

575
00:30:28,590 --> 00:30:30,430
So, is any of that subsidized.

576
00:30:30,430 --> 00:30:33,370
I know that it's not
covered through our ad

577
00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:34,990
valorem or anything like that.

578
00:30:34,990 --> 00:30:36,690
Tourism development tax.

579
00:30:36,690 --> 00:30:41,690
City County projects that we're
not aware of with the access.

580
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:45,450
No Well, it's covered
by the STA budget.

581
00:30:45,450 --> 00:30:49,290
The ad valorem covers that.

582
00:30:49,290 --> 00:30:51,490
Yeah but the city
of ST Pete Beach,

583
00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:57,050
it's only the funding that you
provide to us that covers it.

584
00:30:57,050 --> 00:31:01,330
It's included in the 220 for
this year and 242 for next year.

585
00:31:01,330 --> 00:31:04,940
And then rider fares, of
course, are on top of that.

586
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:08,900
Like we pay a chunk, but the
writers are still paying a fair.

587
00:31:08,900 --> 00:31:17,380
The customers on PSA access pay
$4.50 per ride for that service.

588
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:22,580
And the bus service
cost $2.25 per ride.

589
00:31:22,580 --> 00:31:23,660
OK, I'll come back to it.

590
00:31:23,660 --> 00:31:24,160
Thank you.

591
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:38,900


592
00:31:38,900 --> 00:31:40,600
That's what I thought I
was going to wait for.

593
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,600
He was reaching for his light.

594
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:43,140
Oh, OK, I'll do it.

595
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:45,360
I'll go ahead and
ask a question then.

596
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,600
So thank you.

597
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,660
I appreciate it.

598
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:51,640
So just trying to get an
idea of cost per item.

599
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,560
Seeing that.

600
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:58,940
So the $7,000 number we
were using is that what is

601
00:31:58,940 --> 00:32:01,460
the timeline on the
$7,000 for the Suncoast

602
00:32:01,460 --> 00:32:03,220
trolley number that
we were talking

603
00:32:03,220 --> 00:32:05,720
about ridership was that per.

604
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,460


605
00:32:08,460 --> 00:32:13,200
77 70,000 was the number 70,000.

606
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,520
OK yeah 70,000.

607
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:15,340
That's right.

608
00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:18,780
And that is for per.

609
00:32:18,780 --> 00:32:24,900
Is that what timeline was
that number for 10 125 to 731.

610
00:32:24,900 --> 00:32:26,920
So that's currently
through June.

611
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,780
OK July on the sunrunner
there was for 10 months that

612
00:32:31,780 --> 00:32:33,160
included the month of July.

613
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,020
The access numbers I
only had through June.

614
00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:43,700
So 7 $7,000 a month or
70,000 for 10 months.

615
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:47,660
That is the number of boardings
on the sunrunner at the County

616
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:50,580
beach park on the sunrunner.

617
00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:54,600
No, the number we're looking at
is the 70,000 for the trolley.

618
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,680
Yes, but still the
number of boardings.

619
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,920
The number of boardings
in ST Pete Beach.

620
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:02,130
Correct not total ridership
of the entire trolley system.

621
00:33:02,130 --> 00:33:05,670
Correct That is, the number
of boardings in ST Pete Beach

622
00:33:05,670 --> 00:33:07,410
of the Suncoast beach trolley.

623
00:33:07,410 --> 00:33:09,910
OK, that's what I was
thinking 10 months.

624
00:33:09,910 --> 00:33:11,050
Yeah, over 10 months.

625
00:33:11,050 --> 00:33:15,770
Yeah, but it's only actually
it's only 15% of that number,

626
00:33:15,770 --> 00:33:18,990
as I understood, stood
the way it was stated.

627
00:33:18,990 --> 00:33:19,890
No, 15.

628
00:33:19,890 --> 00:33:23,130
That number is 15% of the
total trolley ridership.

629
00:33:23,130 --> 00:33:26,570
All right of the total
trolley ridership,

630
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:29,230
all the way up to
Clearwater, about 15%

631
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:32,310
of the people that ride
that all the whole trolley

632
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:36,150
system board in ST Pete Beach.

633
00:33:36,150 --> 00:33:37,450
OK 70,000.

634
00:33:37,450 --> 00:33:38,770
Now Yeah OK.

635
00:33:38,770 --> 00:33:40,130
That makes sense to me now.

636
00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:43,250
All right.

637
00:33:43,250 --> 00:33:46,670


638
00:33:46,670 --> 00:33:49,130
Have you all ever.

639
00:33:49,130 --> 00:33:51,190
Could you tell us
numbers that you guys

640
00:33:51,190 --> 00:33:55,110
calculate on cost per
ride for the sunrunner

641
00:33:55,110 --> 00:33:58,510
and the Suncoast trolley.

642
00:33:58,510 --> 00:34:00,890
Yes well, we have that data.

643
00:34:00,890 --> 00:34:04,550
I know that the sunrunner is
our highest ridership route

644
00:34:04,550 --> 00:34:07,950
in the whole County,
and it is the lowest

645
00:34:07,950 --> 00:34:13,030
cost per ride of any of our
system, of any of our system.

646
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:15,909
I think our average cost
per ride of our whole,

647
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:21,630
of all of our bus routes
is about $7 per ride.

648
00:34:21,630 --> 00:34:23,469
Total subsidy.

649
00:34:23,469 --> 00:34:25,170
I know that the
Suncoast beach trolley,

650
00:34:25,170 --> 00:34:29,909
obviously it has a high
ridership year round,

651
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:33,489
very high ridership during the
spring break spring period,

652
00:34:33,489 --> 00:34:34,830
of course.

653
00:34:34,830 --> 00:34:38,850
And it is also one of our
lower cost per ride services.

654
00:34:38,850 --> 00:34:42,909
So it's somewhere probably
in the $5, $4, $5 a ride.

655
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:46,770
So I don't totally understand
that because the $7 a ride,

656
00:34:46,770 --> 00:34:49,270
for example, that would
be a function of how

657
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:51,830
much each city
happens to be paying

658
00:34:51,830 --> 00:34:54,690
for their part of that service.

659
00:34:54,690 --> 00:34:58,580
And so I guess your $7
number takes into account.

660
00:34:58,580 --> 00:35:01,520
That's your cost
to run the service.

661
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,440
Is that right.

662
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,720
So our cost would
be how much we pay

663
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:11,600
and then how many riders
come or leave our city.

664
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,520
And so we would divide out
what we pay into what we think

665
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,400
our ridership is that actually
goes to the County park

666
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,680
or to the stop for
the Suncoast trolley.

667
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,600
Yeah I think is
that what we need.

668
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,500
I think two things.

669
00:35:26,500 --> 00:35:29,360
One is that we don't
pay for the sun runner.

670
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,800
So in ST. Pete Beach,
we're not paying

671
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,080
anything for the sun runner.

672
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,600
So there's no contract cost
that we pay for the sun runner.

673
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,040
We don't pay into the psta
system on our property tax bill.

674
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,920
I believe it's us, Treasure
Island and South Pasadena that

675
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,300
opted out of the psta system.

676
00:35:46,300 --> 00:35:47,640
Everywhere else in
the County, they

677
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:49,640
have a line item on
their property tax bill

678
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,160
with a specific millage
that goes towards psta.

679
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,920
And we don't and we don't
pay for the sunrunner

680
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,120
in ST Pete Beach.

681
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,320
So we have 0 cost
for the sunrunner.

682
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:00,820
All right.

683
00:36:00,820 --> 00:36:01,860
So I was just trying to.

684
00:36:01,860 --> 00:36:03,020
Only for the trolley.

685
00:36:03,020 --> 00:36:05,100
So to separate out
costs for a ride,

686
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:08,440
we're really just talking
about the Suncoast trolley,

687
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,500
fiesta ST and the access.

688
00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:11,760
Yeah OK.

689
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:12,820
OK yeah, that's.

690
00:36:12,820 --> 00:36:13,780
That's great.

691
00:36:13,780 --> 00:36:16,760
Yeah all right.

692
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,480
I just want to do
some more math here.

693
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,020
We've got it.

694
00:36:20,020 --> 00:36:20,660
We're fortunate.

695
00:36:20,660 --> 00:36:25,780
We've got a psta representative
like on the board or something.

696
00:36:25,780 --> 00:36:27,840
I only have a tiny head
start because I've only

697
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,000
been there for a little while.

698
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,320
They do on the psta
website for anybody that's

699
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,600
interested in
these numbers, they

700
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:38,040
do publish monthly ridership
data per route, including

701
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,600
the cost to run the route,
what the cost is, what

702
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,120
the dollar amount
is per rider, what

703
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:45,980
the dollar amount is per rider.

704
00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:50,160
After you take into account what
the fare that the rider pays,

705
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,480
and then also what the dollar
amount per rider per route

706
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:58,840
is once you factor in any
dollar amounts that a city like

707
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,720
us contracts with state
or federal funding

708
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:02,780
or all the various things.

709
00:37:02,780 --> 00:37:05,880
So it is broken down
very specifically

710
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,760
in a lot of star
reports that are

711
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,400
available on the star website.

712
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,520
So since now the
sunrunner coming here

713
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,100
doesn't give us the beach,
the access services,

714
00:37:19,100 --> 00:37:22,160
it's the Suncoast trolley
contract that allows

715
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,660
us to have those services.

716
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:27,420
Is that the way I
understanding that in the past.

717
00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:32,280
Our contract for the ST.
Pete Beach contract with psta

718
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,620
includes whatever
bus routes there are,

719
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:37,240
plus the psta access program.

720
00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:38,220
Yes, yes.

721
00:37:38,220 --> 00:37:40,880
Historically, and if we had
been the way it's been if we had

722
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,840
0 contract with the psta, if
ST Pete Beach completely opted

723
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,340
out and said, we don't want
anything to do with it,

724
00:37:47,340 --> 00:37:49,480
we're not paying you any money.

725
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,610
Would anybody in ST Pete
Beach still be eligible for ST

726
00:37:52,610 --> 00:37:56,970
the psta access program.

727
00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:58,990
That would be up
to the PSA board.

728
00:37:58,990 --> 00:38:00,290
I would think not.

729
00:38:00,290 --> 00:38:01,350
Yeah, I think not.

730
00:38:01,350 --> 00:38:04,330
Yeah OK.

731
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:06,070
Can I ask a question
a little differently.

732
00:38:06,070 --> 00:38:08,570
Because I think I
want to make sure

733
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,490
there may be a
federal regulation

734
00:38:11,490 --> 00:38:14,930
that you provide the ST access
program to people who are

735
00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:16,810
some distance from a bus stop.

736
00:38:16,810 --> 00:38:21,290
So, so for people who are 3/4
of a mile from every sunrunner

737
00:38:21,290 --> 00:38:22,950
stop might still have access.

738
00:38:22,950 --> 00:38:28,170
I think that is accurate,
but the rest of the residents

739
00:38:28,170 --> 00:38:29,770
would not.

740
00:38:29,770 --> 00:38:33,690
Can I ask a quick
question of Mandy

741
00:38:33,690 --> 00:38:37,470
please I noticed this
is titled micro transit,

742
00:38:37,470 --> 00:38:39,950
and we're talking very
much about the psta.

743
00:38:39,950 --> 00:38:42,710
And I know you kind of
touched in on freebies,

744
00:38:42,710 --> 00:38:45,450
so I just want to make sure I
understand what you're asking

745
00:38:45,450 --> 00:38:50,250
for from us this evening is to
retain the service at some level

746
00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:55,350
of funding that theoretically
includes psta and freebee,

747
00:38:55,350 --> 00:38:57,150
because you've tied them
into this conversation,

748
00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:59,050
or some micro-transit because
you've tied them into this

749
00:38:59,050 --> 00:39:00,150
conversation together.

750
00:39:00,150 --> 00:39:01,470
They're kind of
tied in together,

751
00:39:01,470 --> 00:39:02,390
but they're still separate.

752
00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:05,070
So we're looking for
two separate directions.

753
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:07,570
So we are looking for a
micro-transit direction, whether

754
00:39:07,570 --> 00:39:08,990
or not to keep the service.

755
00:39:08,990 --> 00:39:10,530
And if we do keep
the service, what

756
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:14,610
are we capping the funds at.

757
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:16,050
Same with psta.

758
00:39:16,050 --> 00:39:20,710
Our request for the psta is
going to continue the service,

759
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:23,650
and if we do so, at
what service level.

760
00:39:23,650 --> 00:39:26,670
At what service level is that a
level of funding or the funding.

761
00:39:26,670 --> 00:39:33,210
The 242,000 and/or do we
want to add elements such

762
00:39:33,210 --> 00:39:38,530
as the u-pass and
trolley extension to go

763
00:39:38,530 --> 00:39:40,350
down further than County park.

764
00:39:40,350 --> 00:39:42,370
I think there were
some questions

765
00:39:42,370 --> 00:39:46,450
to staff to explore what
replacement options would be

766
00:39:46,450 --> 00:39:48,410
if we eliminated
micro transit, so we

767
00:39:48,410 --> 00:39:51,700
decided to marry these
two because they're

768
00:39:51,700 --> 00:39:53,000
down directly related.

769
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,800
If you want to use sa'dah in
some capacity to fill the gap,

770
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,420
if you eliminate
microtransit, we

771
00:39:59,420 --> 00:40:01,220
wanted you to know the expense.

772
00:40:01,220 --> 00:40:03,760
So we've provided
you two options.

773
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:12,380
Extend the beach trolley to the
County park for 200,000 more.

774
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:16,660
So that'd be 442,000 for psta.

775
00:40:16,660 --> 00:40:19,140
Hypothetically, if
you want to go even

776
00:40:19,140 --> 00:40:20,780
further down to the
dawn, you're probably

777
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:22,400
talking another 200,000.

778
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,540
So you'd be up to
642,000 for psta.

779
00:40:26,540 --> 00:40:31,340
And psta also graciously offered
us another option of this $4,000

780
00:40:31,340 --> 00:40:36,700
per year for year 1, for this
flamingo pass that could give

781
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,300
residents an opportunity for
a free only ST Pete Beach

782
00:40:40,300 --> 00:40:47,300
residents for a free, unlimited
access to any psta bus plus

783
00:40:47,300 --> 00:40:50,180
system so they could
ride sunrunner they could

784
00:40:50,180 --> 00:40:52,880
ride the trolley, they will.

785
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,260
Route 9 will be gone.

786
00:40:54,260 --> 00:40:56,220
So basically sunrunner
on the trolley

787
00:40:56,220 --> 00:40:59,620
and we would have 200
cards to start with.

788
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,760
OK giving them annual
free rides for the year.

789
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:04,440
Yes and we would $4,000.

790
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,380
And then they've offered after
a year we would look at the data

791
00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:13,880
and we would renegotiate based
on utilization and inflation OK.

792
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:20,100


793
00:41:20,100 --> 00:41:27,860
OK I think I might have
so so the 242 for 2027

794
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:30,100
is trolley and access.

795
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,280
And then I might have missed it.

796
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,660
There's another
200,000 option to bring

797
00:41:34,660 --> 00:41:36,620
the trolley down
even further South

798
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:38,040
theoretically to County park.

799
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,420
Correct OK.

800
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:44,740
And another option is
this u-pass where we

801
00:41:44,740 --> 00:41:47,230
would pay 4,000
for 200 lucky souls

802
00:41:47,230 --> 00:41:50,230
to be able to ride for a year.

803
00:41:50,230 --> 00:41:52,410
Lottery right, right.

804
00:41:52,410 --> 00:41:56,350
OK OK.

805
00:41:56,350 --> 00:41:58,690
I think at least now have
a better picture of it.

806
00:41:58,690 --> 00:41:59,250
Thank you.

807
00:41:59,250 --> 00:42:00,530
And so your questions are.

808
00:42:00,530 --> 00:42:03,070


809
00:42:03,070 --> 00:42:04,570
Stay yes or no.

810
00:42:04,570 --> 00:42:06,190
And at what cost.

811
00:42:06,190 --> 00:42:09,630
Any additional
micro-transit, which

812
00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:12,910
I'm almost because the
alternative to micro-transit

813
00:42:12,910 --> 00:42:13,970
might be that you pass.

814
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:16,790
So maybe I should lump the
u-pass over into micro-transit.

815
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:20,130
And possibly also this
$200,000 for the trolley to go

816
00:42:20,130 --> 00:42:21,630
a little bit further
might be the alternative

817
00:42:21,630 --> 00:42:22,570
to a micro-transit.

818
00:42:22,570 --> 00:42:25,690
I it's not micro-transit,
but these are alternatives.

819
00:42:25,690 --> 00:42:28,690
If we lose micro-transit, I
might make sure city staff.

820
00:42:28,690 --> 00:42:29,910
Is that kind of
your thought process

821
00:42:29,910 --> 00:42:37,190
asked to explore with the only
other contractual transit.

822
00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:39,130
Contract we currently
have right now.

823
00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:41,270
Understood OK.

824
00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:44,870
And to be clear, there might be
other micro transit options that

825
00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:48,070
may come available to us, or may
be offered as part of this RFP

826
00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:49,490
that was mentioned
at the beginning.

827
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:51,110
No, you have in
front of you we have

828
00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:53,610
five options, and
they range from 250,

829
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:56,590
225,000 to over a million.

830
00:42:56,590 --> 00:42:57,210
Can I see them.

831
00:42:57,210 --> 00:42:58,450
Because I don't know
that I see them.

832
00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:00,270
You won't see them because
we haven't completed

833
00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:01,450
the procurement process.

834
00:43:01,450 --> 00:43:04,410
So at this point, we're
only at this point,

835
00:43:04,410 --> 00:43:06,030
we haven't vetted
the we haven't gone

836
00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:08,050
through the procurement process.

837
00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:11,650
We can't share who
the vendors are, what.

838
00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:14,150
They've actually bid
all of that information

839
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:18,230
until we've actually
done our internal vetting

840
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:21,150
of each individual.

841
00:43:21,150 --> 00:43:23,050
I understand what you're saying
I'm trying to figure out,

842
00:43:23,050 --> 00:43:25,210
is this a decision you
want to make tonight.

843
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:27,110
And then later you
will come with the five

844
00:43:27,110 --> 00:43:29,450
options in more detail and we'll
be able to make a decision.

845
00:43:29,450 --> 00:43:32,090
Or you're saying this is a
budgetary decision tonight.

846
00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:35,230
So you all asked us to
go out and do a proposal

847
00:43:35,230 --> 00:43:38,110
to see if we could get
micro transit for less

848
00:43:38,110 --> 00:43:39,690
than half a million a year.

849
00:43:39,690 --> 00:43:44,950
Yes we have brought you back
that we have one option for less

850
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:46,370
than half a million a year.

851
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:49,870
You have your current vendor for
the same around a half a million

852
00:43:49,870 --> 00:43:52,510
a year, and three more
vendors who are saying they

853
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:53,590
will cost more.

854
00:43:53,590 --> 00:43:55,270
Understood so the
question tonight

855
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:58,910
is do you want to continue
micro transit option.

856
00:43:58,910 --> 00:43:59,670
All right.

857
00:43:59,670 --> 00:44:03,230
Very specifically freebie in
this case, which is no OK.

858
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:06,050
Do you want to
continue micro transit.

859
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:08,830
And give us a budgetary
amount to continue

860
00:44:08,830 --> 00:44:11,550
with our procurement
process and budgeting, which

861
00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:13,110
we would then include
in the budget you're

862
00:44:13,110 --> 00:44:14,410
going to see in two weeks.

863
00:44:14,410 --> 00:44:15,750
Understood OK.

864
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:18,530
So this is that amount
would be budgeted.

865
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:20,530
Yeah this would be a
not to exceed amount.

866
00:44:20,530 --> 00:44:21,330
So whatever.

867
00:44:21,330 --> 00:44:23,830
If you decide that
you want to keep it

868
00:44:23,830 --> 00:44:25,330
this would be a not
to exceed amount.

869
00:44:25,330 --> 00:44:27,110
And that amount would
be used to negotiate

870
00:44:27,110 --> 00:44:30,170
a contract if you so want to
move forward with micro transit.

871
00:44:30,170 --> 00:44:32,470
Understood that is a
micro transit decision.

872
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:35,190
Separately you want us
to make a stay decision.

873
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:36,050
OK got it.

874
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:37,910
OK OK.

875
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:38,990
Apologize for.

876
00:44:38,990 --> 00:44:39,570
That's OK.

877
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:41,220
Took a little while for your
words to get over to my head,

878
00:44:41,220 --> 00:44:41,820
so I got it now.

879
00:44:41,820 --> 00:44:43,640
Thank you.

880
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:44,340
All right.

881
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:47,040


882
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:47,540
I'm sorry.

883
00:44:47,540 --> 00:44:48,720
I know there's some questions.

884
00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:49,900
Commissioner Murray, please.

885
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:50,540
Yeah thank you.

886
00:44:50,540 --> 00:44:52,300
I don't really
have any questions.

887
00:44:52,300 --> 00:44:55,880
I have AI have a few thoughts.

888
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:59,160
Because I think that's
where we need to go

889
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,720
is what direction
are we going to go.

890
00:45:03,720 --> 00:45:09,560
So I think first we
need to keep in mind

891
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,940
a little bit of what the
history is and how we got here.

892
00:45:11,940 --> 00:45:16,680
And so some number of years
ago, we were paying more money

893
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,520
for our psta contract,
and the trolley went

894
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,600
all the way to pass-a-grille.

895
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,040
And largely it
seemed at the time

896
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,520
that the people in pass-a-grille
were very unhappy with buses

897
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,800
being in pass-a-grille at all.

898
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,520
And so at that time ST Pete
Beach went to the store

899
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,320
and said, we don't want
buses in pass-a-grille.

900
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,180
Just to be clear, we
don't want anything.

901
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:41,020
We don't want any buses.

902
00:45:41,020 --> 00:45:42,680
We don't want any trolleys.

903
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,700
I think at the time it was big
buses going to pass-a-grille.

904
00:45:45,700 --> 00:45:46,940
Maybe they were
calling it a trolley.

905
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:48,407
I think it was the
Central Avenue trolley,

906
00:45:48,407 --> 00:45:49,540
but it didn't look
like a trolley.

907
00:45:49,540 --> 00:45:50,680
It was a big bus.

908
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,380
And so, so the people
in pass-a-grille said,

909
00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:55,860
we do not want the
bus in pass-a-grille.

910
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:56,960
And they got out
their pitchforks

911
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,760
and said, get the buses
out of pass-a-grille.

912
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,160
So the city commission
at the time did that.

913
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,560
And at that time decided that
the money that they were saving

914
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,840
by not paying psta for buses
to go to pass-a-grille,

915
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,440
they would use that money, use
less than that amount of money

916
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,560
for this microtransit service
that just went from the County

917
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,520
park to pass-a-grille.

918
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,593
And it was significantly
less than Don.

919
00:46:22,593 --> 00:46:23,960
Yeah, maybe in the
beginning, it was just

920
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,380
the beginning, just the Don.

921
00:46:25,380 --> 00:46:26,720
Just the Don to prasugrel.

922
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:29,900
And then as people liked
it and more people rode it,

923
00:46:29,900 --> 00:46:31,260
they expanded it
to the County park,

924
00:46:31,260 --> 00:46:32,820
and then they
expanded it to 75th,

925
00:46:32,820 --> 00:46:35,640
and then they expanded it
into all the neighborhoods

926
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:36,730
to anybody's front door.

927
00:46:36,730 --> 00:46:38,710
And every time we do that,
it gets more expensive.

928
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:43,610
So that's how we end up with
this $500,000 city subsidized

929
00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:47,290
Uber rides is what we're doing.

930
00:46:47,290 --> 00:46:53,930
And so the question is
if $500,000 is too much,

931
00:46:53,930 --> 00:46:56,110
what do we want to subsidize?

932
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:59,050
What do we want to provide
for transit in the city.

933
00:46:59,050 --> 00:47:03,610
And so my thoughts about
that are a couple of things.

934
00:47:03,610 --> 00:47:07,210
I looked multiple times in
the last couple of weeks.

935
00:47:07,210 --> 00:47:11,050
I think I can take an Uber
from the North Beach area

936
00:47:11,050 --> 00:47:18,770
neighborhood area to prasugrel
for 9 to $12 any time I want to.

937
00:47:18,770 --> 00:47:22,710
So maybe I'm not doing
it at the busiest times.

938
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:24,950
Maybe I'm missing
the surge pricing.

939
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:29,890
But generally speaking, there
are private services available

940
00:47:29,890 --> 00:47:34,650
that can move people around
in ST Pete Beach that are much

941
00:47:34,650 --> 00:47:37,170
cheaper per person,
per ride than

942
00:47:37,170 --> 00:47:39,410
what we're paying
for micro transit

943
00:47:39,410 --> 00:47:44,490
at a $500,000 a year level.

944
00:47:44,490 --> 00:47:48,130
Now that we are
charging non-residents

945
00:47:48,130 --> 00:47:53,550
to ride on the freebee any group
of three or more non-residents,

946
00:47:53,550 --> 00:47:54,930
it's cheaper for
them to take an Uber

947
00:47:54,930 --> 00:47:58,890
than it is for them
to take the freebee.

948
00:47:58,890 --> 00:48:02,770
So I'm not sure what the
actual ridership numbers are.

949
00:48:02,770 --> 00:48:05,330
I'm sure we've all gotten the
same information from residents

950
00:48:05,330 --> 00:48:08,023
about whether they use it
all the time and love it,

951
00:48:08,023 --> 00:48:09,290
or whether they wish
they could use it

952
00:48:09,290 --> 00:48:11,490
and can't ever use it because
the wait times are too long

953
00:48:11,490 --> 00:48:12,470
or all of those things.

954
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:17,410
But for me, the root of the
question for micro transit

955
00:48:17,410 --> 00:48:24,250
is should the city be paying to
subsidize rides that are very

956
00:48:24,250 --> 00:48:27,850
readily available in the
private market all day

957
00:48:27,850 --> 00:48:29,890
long, seven days a week.

958
00:48:29,890 --> 00:48:31,610
Or do we not.

959
00:48:31,610 --> 00:48:33,680
And if we do, at
what dollar level.

960
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,260
And so for me, I'm not
comfortable with the city

961
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:43,420
providing or subsidizing
or paying into picking

962
00:48:43,420 --> 00:48:46,660
a favorite from
private enterprise who

963
00:48:46,660 --> 00:48:48,280
can provide the same service.

964
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,500
There's other
services in the city

965
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:52,480
that provide similar services.

966
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:56,600
There's free beachside, there's
island hopper, there's Uber,

967
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,920
there's a lot of options that
people have for getting around.

968
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,620
So for me, the
micro-transit decision

969
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:09,300
is that generally speaking,
I'm not a big fan of it.

970
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:14,120
If the people in pass-a-grille
welcomed having buses,

971
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,260
that's probably
the most efficient

972
00:49:15,260 --> 00:49:17,660
way to move people around.

973
00:49:17,660 --> 00:49:19,340
But I haven't gotten
the impression

974
00:49:19,340 --> 00:49:21,380
that that's what they want.

975
00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:25,100
And so I don't
think that's don't

976
00:49:25,100 --> 00:49:28,780
think that's a
necessary or something

977
00:49:28,780 --> 00:49:30,040
that's worth looking into.

978
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:35,180
So for me, my recommendation
would be to discontinue

979
00:49:35,180 --> 00:49:37,620
the microtransit program.

980
00:49:37,620 --> 00:49:40,560
Let's take that $500,000 and
do something else with it.

981
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:44,220
On the psta side.

982
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:47,820
I'm a little more conflicted
because there are those

983
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:50,020
70,000 people that
get on the trolley

984
00:49:50,020 --> 00:49:52,500
in ST Pete Beach and go North.

985
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:58,980
Some number of those are people
who, live in ST Pete Beach

986
00:49:58,980 --> 00:50:00,560
and want to go to John's Pass.

987
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,420
Some number of those
are people that

988
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:05,620
stay at the hotels on the beach
and want to go to Clearwater.

989
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:08,300
A lot of them are
employees of the various

990
00:50:08,300 --> 00:50:11,380
of the various
hotels further North.

991
00:50:11,380 --> 00:50:14,380
And so that's one thing.

992
00:50:14,380 --> 00:50:16,340
The more important
part of it to me

993
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:19,380
is the psta access program,
because that's really

994
00:50:19,380 --> 00:50:22,580
if you want to
look at what should

995
00:50:22,580 --> 00:50:25,460
taxpayer dollars be going for.

996
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:27,780
Or why do we all pay
into this pot of money

997
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:30,960
that cities use to
spend on things.

998
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,420
One of those things to me is
that we take care of the people

999
00:50:33,420 --> 00:50:34,900
who need the most help.

1000
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:40,140
And so to me, the PST
psta access program is

1001
00:50:40,140 --> 00:50:42,260
the more important part of it.

1002
00:50:42,260 --> 00:50:46,380
And so I think it's worth
exploring what those numbers are

1003
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:48,540
and negotiating a little
bit more with psta

1004
00:50:48,540 --> 00:50:50,580
and figuring out
what the options are.

1005
00:50:50,580 --> 00:50:54,340
So my recommendation would
be that we discontinue

1006
00:50:54,340 --> 00:50:57,940
microtransit, but we continue
to look into the psta maybe

1007
00:50:57,940 --> 00:50:59,500
go ahead and put that
number in the budget

1008
00:50:59,500 --> 00:51:01,900
as a placeholder for
now while we continue

1009
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:03,280
to figure out what we're doing.

1010
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,180
If we can't come to some
agreement that seems reasonable,

1011
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:09,580
we can still cancel it
and reallocate that money.

1012
00:51:09,580 --> 00:51:13,200
But that would be that's
where I'm landing on this.

1013
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,460


1014
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:19,020
I apologize, I don't Mr. Carter.

1015
00:51:19,020 --> 00:51:22,980
Well, yeah, I'll go ahead
because I went to that was well

1016
00:51:22,980 --> 00:51:25,360
put, Commissioner Marriott.

1017
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,030


1018
00:51:28,030 --> 00:51:32,730
So as far as the
pasta service goes,

1019
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:34,670
I'm wondering,
since we're trying

1020
00:51:34,670 --> 00:51:39,590
to look for cuts in our budget
right now, what if we gave

1021
00:51:39,590 --> 00:51:42,450
them a limit of a half of that.

1022
00:51:42,450 --> 00:51:46,390
Or say, 100,000 and
ask for what level

1023
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:51,830
of service could be
provided to us at 100,000

1024
00:51:51,830 --> 00:51:54,450
instead of the 242,000?

1025
00:51:54,450 --> 00:51:58,470
And that way we would
perhaps decrease, or maybe

1026
00:51:58,470 --> 00:52:01,430
we wouldn't decrease
our ridership,

1027
00:52:01,430 --> 00:52:05,910
and then we would also
retain the access service.

1028
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:10,070
So we would basically be
saying, what service can

1029
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:13,430
we get for half that amount.

1030
00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:18,270
Does that seem like
it would be a thing.

1031
00:52:18,270 --> 00:52:23,470
I'm not my limited granted
my limited knowledge

1032
00:52:23,470 --> 00:52:28,670
well of the star system
would be that it.

1033
00:52:28,670 --> 00:52:30,710
Perhaps anything is
possible, but it may also

1034
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:36,830
be difficult. If you're looking
at if you think about a bus

1035
00:52:36,830 --> 00:52:38,950
route and you go, it
comes down this street

1036
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:40,550
and it stops at
these three places

1037
00:52:40,550 --> 00:52:43,290
and it goes back and
forth this many times,

1038
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:44,210
there's a cost to that.

1039
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:46,990
And if they're trying to
allocate their cost of what it

1040
00:52:46,990 --> 00:52:49,650
costs to run the bus in the
city and have us pay for that,

1041
00:52:49,650 --> 00:52:51,390
I don't know how
you cut that in half

1042
00:52:51,390 --> 00:52:56,010
unless you decrease the
number of routes or times.

1043
00:52:56,010 --> 00:52:58,050
Yeah, decrease the number of
times it comes into the city.

1044
00:52:58,050 --> 00:52:59,730
And I mean, that's
their business.

1045
00:52:59,730 --> 00:53:02,850
I mean, yeah what it's worth.

1046
00:53:02,850 --> 00:53:04,850
I took one of those
numbers earlier.

1047
00:53:04,850 --> 00:53:07,310
The ridership was nine months
and the other ridership

1048
00:53:07,310 --> 00:53:07,890
was 10 months.

1049
00:53:07,890 --> 00:53:10,430
So I just equal them out
to an annual ridership.

1050
00:53:10,430 --> 00:53:12,070
We get about 84,000
on the trolley

1051
00:53:12,070 --> 00:53:13,850
and about 5,000 on the access.

1052
00:53:13,850 --> 00:53:15,590
Just using those numbers
and putting them out

1053
00:53:15,590 --> 00:53:16,970
to 12 months worth of service.

1054
00:53:16,970 --> 00:53:19,210
So you think 30,000
riders, I'm sorry,

1055
00:53:19,210 --> 00:53:24,030
90,000 total riders between
trolley and access at $220,000

1056
00:53:24,030 --> 00:53:25,880
was our cost last year.

1057
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,520
Ended up about $2.44 per ride.

1058
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,400
Projected at 242 this
year, which is next year's.

1059
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,340
Assuming the ridership
stays the same, that's $268,

1060
00:53:36,340 --> 00:53:38,340
$2.68 per ride.

1061
00:53:38,340 --> 00:53:40,180
So I mean less than $3.

1062
00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:45,480
We're getting rides for
$90,000 people, theoretically.

1063
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:46,760
Yeah moving around.

1064
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,380
The freebies been costing
us $16 a ride or something.

1065
00:53:49,380 --> 00:53:52,060
Yeah and the freebie is 15 to
17 or whatever the number is.

1066
00:53:52,060 --> 00:53:56,500
So I'm with you.

1067
00:53:56,500 --> 00:53:58,260
So we got two
separate questions.

1068
00:53:58,260 --> 00:54:00,000
One is micro transit at all.

1069
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,180
Second is psta.

1070
00:54:01,180 --> 00:54:02,400
And at what level.

1071
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,120
And if micro transit
at what level as well.

1072
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,240
OK OK.

1073
00:54:07,240 --> 00:54:09,200
Sorry Mr. Robinson.

1074
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:10,020
Well, OK.

1075
00:54:10,020 --> 00:54:14,120
Well, I think my recommendation
then would be to see what level

1076
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,400
of service we could get
for 100,000 from the psta,

1077
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:24,440
and that would also include the
access that we have now and then

1078
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:28,960
I don't think we've talked about
micro-transit enough, really

1079
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,260
to make a statement on that.

1080
00:54:31,260 --> 00:54:35,000
I know I get letters from
people that say they use it

1081
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,380
all the time, and
they want to keep it,

1082
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:39,120
but I also have letters from
people who think that we

1083
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,000
should cut it from our budget.

1084
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,840
And I think Commissioner
Marriott's points

1085
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:49,200
about alternatives that
don't cost anything.

1086
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:55,000
It's hard to see how we would
subsidize something that is.

1087
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,480
In fact, I feel
like I know we have

1088
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:01,200
at least one local business that
provides service to our city.

1089
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,080
And it seems like
the thing to do

1090
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,040
is to try to incentivize
your local businesses

1091
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:10,100
and make them as
strong as you can.

1092
00:55:10,100 --> 00:55:14,480
So I almost see it's almost
the opposite of that mindset.

1093
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,420
So I guess that's my
comment for right now.

1094
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:20,980
I Mr. Robinson, we may
circle back around, I guess,

1095
00:55:20,980 --> 00:55:24,310
if you need that, I
would second everything.

1096
00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:26,050
Commissioner Marriott said.

1097
00:55:26,050 --> 00:55:28,770
But I would offer also
preface it with the fact

1098
00:55:28,770 --> 00:55:34,170
that we're not in a financially
good situation in the city.

1099
00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:38,130
If we may not even be
having this discussion.

1100
00:55:38,130 --> 00:55:41,130
But after the
hurricanes, after what.

1101
00:55:41,130 --> 00:55:44,430
Our storm system,
our sewers are out.

1102
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:47,990
What we're looking at right
now, talking about increasing,

1103
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:50,850
potentially
increasing ad valorem.

1104
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:53,530
Adding the rate
hikes onto everything

1105
00:55:53,530 --> 00:55:57,490
and then still having those
assessments on our tax Bills.

1106
00:55:57,490 --> 00:56:01,130
It's a hard one to
swallow when it's

1107
00:56:01,130 --> 00:56:06,650
monies that could be used better
elsewhere within the city.

1108
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:12,050
So as far as for me, for the
micro transit at this time,

1109
00:56:12,050 --> 00:56:15,190
I don't think it's the
right option to go with.

1110
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:18,310
I think there's other
options within the city.

1111
00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:21,490
There have been other
options within the city.

1112
00:56:21,490 --> 00:56:24,010
Other alternatives.

1113
00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:25,290
The cost.

1114
00:56:25,290 --> 00:56:31,730
Cost per person is
just way too high.

1115
00:56:31,730 --> 00:56:35,450
So as long as we fulfilled any
legal obligations that we have

1116
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:37,290
from a transportation
aspect, which

1117
00:56:37,290 --> 00:56:39,610
I believe we have with
sunrunner in general,

1118
00:56:39,610 --> 00:56:42,090
I think we're safe on that.

1119
00:56:42,090 --> 00:56:48,570
I would as far as the psta
side of things, the access

1120
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:51,050
and the mobility on
demand, I don't believe

1121
00:56:51,050 --> 00:56:54,730
they're the only
alternative out there

1122
00:56:54,730 --> 00:57:00,250
as well for Access on Demand.

1123
00:57:00,250 --> 00:57:01,610
So that would be
something I would

1124
00:57:01,610 --> 00:57:07,330
look at as well, not just psta
or shop psta against others.

1125
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:12,430
I mean, that's what we're
about and in the city.

1126
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:15,050
So I think we should
just do what's right

1127
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:19,370
and vet it from that standpoint.

1128
00:57:19,370 --> 00:57:23,610
As far as actual trolley,
I'm more for the mobility

1129
00:57:23,610 --> 00:57:26,010
on demand aspect.

1130
00:57:26,010 --> 00:57:27,117
See what we can get that.

1131
00:57:27,117 --> 00:57:28,150
I mean, what are we looking at.

1132
00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:31,170
We're looking at 5,000 riders.

1133
00:57:31,170 --> 00:57:33,650
I mean, that's
got to be a fairly

1134
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:37,490
low amount versus 242,000.

1135
00:57:37,490 --> 00:57:40,690
So that savings plus
the freebie could

1136
00:57:40,690 --> 00:57:42,390
go a long way in our budget.

1137
00:57:42,390 --> 00:57:47,930
And what we're asking of
the residents as a whole.

1138
00:57:47,930 --> 00:57:54,030
So that's where I would
stand on that Mr. Maldonado.

1139
00:57:54,030 --> 00:57:56,450
So I'm going to ride
commissioner Robinson's wave

1140
00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:58,570
and talk about the budget
the fact that we're

1141
00:57:58,570 --> 00:58:02,250
at a financial cliff in
trying to figure out where

1142
00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:05,010
we can shed wasteful spending.

1143
00:58:05,010 --> 00:58:08,850
I don't believe in
subsidizing, what we would

1144
00:58:08,850 --> 00:58:10,350
consider commuter services.

1145
00:58:10,350 --> 00:58:13,230
I do think it's important
to consider the paratransit,

1146
00:58:13,230 --> 00:58:14,690
the access services,
to make sure

1147
00:58:14,690 --> 00:58:20,420
that we're not hurting our
most vulnerable populations.

1148
00:58:20,420 --> 00:58:22,540
And then also, just a
comment on the u-pass.

1149
00:58:22,540 --> 00:58:23,760
You said 200 passes.

1150
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,260
I believe we have 1,000 persons
currently enrolled in freebie.

1151
00:58:29,260 --> 00:58:31,220
We have about 1,200,
but we haven't been able

1152
00:58:31,220 --> 00:58:32,900
to surmise from the
data is how many

1153
00:58:32,900 --> 00:58:34,520
of those are actually using it.

1154
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,900
Yeah so that's a big challenge
for us to get ahead of

1155
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:41,300
is to make sure that if we do
go with that option, which seems

1156
00:58:41,300 --> 00:58:43,960
like a pretty big value
for what's being offered,

1157
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,560
that we have appropriately
looked at that.

1158
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,460
And then also whether it's
going to be a lottery system

1159
00:58:49,460 --> 00:58:53,980
or a needs based economic based
system or something like that.

1160
00:58:53,980 --> 00:58:57,540
I echo the comments of
Commissioner Marriott

1161
00:58:57,540 --> 00:58:59,220
and Commissioner
Robinson and saying

1162
00:58:59,220 --> 00:59:02,040
that microtransit at this
point, I can't support that.

1163
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,080
Not that I don't want to.

1164
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,880
I see my freebie friends here.

1165
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:07,420
I know them in the community.

1166
00:59:07,420 --> 00:59:11,660
But it's just I've got so much
input to say that we just can't

1167
00:59:11,660 --> 00:59:15,420
financially fiscally be
responsible and say that we

1168
00:59:15,420 --> 00:59:16,680
support it at this point.

1169
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:22,640
So thank you Mr. mayor.

1170
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:23,200
Yes, sorry.

1171
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,820
Thank you for indulging
me one more time.

1172
00:59:25,820 --> 00:59:29,280
I had one other quick comment
that I forgot to mention before,

1173
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:34,620
which is that when the trade
winds and the conditional use

1174
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:37,760
permits were approved,
part of those developments,

1175
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,740
if they ever are
allowed to go forward,

1176
00:59:40,740 --> 00:59:48,420
is that they would be paying in
I believe the number would be

1177
00:59:48,420 --> 00:59:52,500
$225,000 a year for
five years between

1178
00:59:52,500 --> 00:59:56,300
the two of them for the first
five years towards transit.

1179
00:59:56,300 --> 01:00:00,820
And so, if we get to the point
where those projects are going

1180
01:00:00,820 --> 01:00:04,620
forward, that $225,000 a year
would go a long way towards

1181
01:00:04,620 --> 01:00:07,540
bringing back some sort of
microtransit program if we chose

1182
01:00:07,540 --> 01:00:10,020
to at that point,
or expanding the bus

1183
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:12,710
system or something like that.

1184
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:17,870
So I think that that's just if
we decide not to move forward

1185
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:19,150
with microtransit
right now, that

1186
01:00:19,150 --> 01:00:21,330
doesn't mean that we're never
going to circle back to it.

1187
01:00:21,330 --> 01:00:25,270


1188
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:35,270
OK city manager, did we ever
get I don't believe we ever

1189
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:39,710
got ridership numbers from
our current microtransit like,

1190
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:43,410
I know we ultimately said
it's 15 to $17 per person,

1191
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:45,770
so we must have some
sense of ridership.

1192
01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:48,850
And you just mentioned
1,200 registered.

1193
01:00:48,850 --> 01:00:52,350
OK We receive ridership numbers
each month when they submit

1194
01:00:52,350 --> 01:00:54,390
their invoice to the city.

1195
01:00:54,390 --> 01:00:58,630
And right now we're about
4,000 is traditionally

1196
01:00:58,630 --> 01:01:00,770
what their invoicing at.

1197
01:01:00,770 --> 01:01:06,790
They're saying that there's
about 4,000 trips per month

1198
01:01:06,790 --> 01:01:09,190
and then it doesn't
break it down further

1199
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:11,410
to resident and non-resident.

1200
01:01:11,410 --> 01:01:15,230
So, I mean, at this point,
once we did the math off

1201
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:18,210
of the 38,000 approximately
that they're paying,

1202
01:01:18,210 --> 01:01:21,850
it ended up being about $17
a trip that they were paying,

1203
01:01:21,850 --> 01:01:23,150
that we're paying in.

1204
01:01:23,150 --> 01:01:26,470
OK, so you've already done
that math 550 that we pay

1205
01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:30,950
minus the $3 per and we end
up losing the cost of the city

1206
01:01:30,950 --> 01:01:33,910
is about 17, about 17
per trip in the net end

1207
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:37,830
of all that versus and again,
I did some early math early on.

1208
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:39,170
I know that they're
not equivalent.

1209
01:01:39,170 --> 01:01:43,470
But the math on the bus was
$2.45, something in that range

1210
01:01:43,470 --> 01:01:45,770
versus $17 per ride.

1211
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:49,210
I think the u-pass is an
interesting alternative.

1212
01:01:49,210 --> 01:01:53,530
I think maybe some of
these for our paratransit.

1213
01:01:53,530 --> 01:01:58,310
I think the star access is also
an interesting alternative.

1214
01:01:58,310 --> 01:02:00,370
And as other commissioners
have pointed out,

1215
01:02:00,370 --> 01:02:04,350
we've got everybody has access
to commercially available Ubers

1216
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:05,730
and Lyfts and things like that.

1217
01:02:05,730 --> 01:02:10,120
So I do have a hard time given
the budget pieces that we're

1218
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:15,960
in right now, saying that
I can feel comfortable

1219
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:19,720
continuing to fund microtransit.

1220
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,160
I know there's a lot of
passion in the community,

1221
01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:26,187
so we don't always
take comments,

1222
01:02:26,187 --> 01:02:27,520
but I frankly think
we should take a few

1223
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,580
and just hear what
people are out.

1224
01:02:29,580 --> 01:02:31,720
If you don't mind, do
you have a concern.

1225
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,720
Yeah I mean, I think we
should just hear a few.

1226
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,000
How many audience
comments do we have.

1227
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:40,000
City clerk, please on
this topic or do you know.

1228
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,160
It looks like there's four.

1229
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,620
OK yeah.

1230
01:02:42,620 --> 01:02:46,280
I think can we please
take those comments.

1231
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,420
Cameron mazzucchi.

1232
01:02:48,420 --> 01:02:51,760


1233
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:52,700
That's a hard one.

1234
01:02:52,700 --> 01:02:55,880


1235
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:58,700
Do I do we have to do the thing
with the address or is this OK.

1236
01:02:58,700 --> 01:03:03,760
Cameron mazzucchi, 3307 West
Marianna drive, ST Pete Beach.

1237
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:07,440
I think this has been
a great discussion.

1238
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,760
We're in a time where
obviously our economics

1239
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:12,940
are really hurting.

1240
01:03:12,940 --> 01:03:18,760
So I've personally
never been for freebie.

1241
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,440
And I live right across
the street from the dances

1242
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,740
are where freebie originated,
so I know the history,

1243
01:03:24,740 --> 01:03:27,480
but I can tell you right
away that it's not going

1244
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,460
to pass the grill only right.

1245
01:03:29,460 --> 01:03:31,520
Within a month or
two they were already

1246
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,600
expanding their business,
which and it seems like that's

1247
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:36,940
all they've been doing since.

1248
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:38,940
We want to go from
golf carts to Teslas,

1249
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:40,740
we want to go to minivans.

1250
01:03:40,740 --> 01:03:43,200
So it's just been this
get their foot in the door

1251
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,600
and just expand at
the cost of taxpayers

1252
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:50,120
because there's nothing
free about freebie.

1253
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:54,200
What I can say is that we have
a self-sustaining company that's

1254
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,920
a neighbor of mine and a service
I've used as well in free beach

1255
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:02,680
ride, and they've proven
that with no budget

1256
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,180
that they've been
able to survive for,

1257
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:06,290
I think almost 17 years.

1258
01:04:06,290 --> 01:04:10,770
So I would suggest give
freebie their budget

1259
01:04:10,770 --> 01:04:13,530
and see how long freebie
lasts on the beach.

1260
01:04:13,530 --> 01:04:15,610
And in turn, I'd
say if we're going

1261
01:04:15,610 --> 01:04:19,330
to give any money to anybody,
we should have from the day one,

1262
01:04:19,330 --> 01:04:21,190
let's look right here
in our own community.

1263
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:24,770
First, we have companies here,
and they weren't even asked

1264
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:28,810
what could those people do
with even half of the budget

1265
01:04:28,810 --> 01:04:31,730
of the freebie is asking for.

1266
01:04:31,730 --> 01:04:33,970
I bet they can do quite a bit.

1267
01:04:33,970 --> 01:04:36,230
So it's not really fair to us.

1268
01:04:36,230 --> 01:04:38,050
And another thing
too, that I'm seeing

1269
01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:39,630
freebie versus other companies.

1270
01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:41,710
We're like a community.

1271
01:04:41,710 --> 01:04:44,930
We shouldn't be pitted
from one company from Miami

1272
01:04:44,930 --> 01:04:47,290
against locals.

1273
01:04:47,290 --> 01:04:49,210
Hopefully what would
happen if money

1274
01:04:49,210 --> 01:04:51,290
is given to another
company is that there's

1275
01:04:51,290 --> 01:04:52,550
more drivers needed.

1276
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:54,910
And if drivers need
a job somewhere else,

1277
01:04:54,910 --> 01:04:56,130
they can move to
that company and

1278
01:04:56,130 --> 01:04:58,410
hopefully it's a local company.

1279
01:04:58,410 --> 01:05:00,090
Thank you.

1280
01:05:00,090 --> 01:05:00,830
Thank you sir.

1281
01:05:00,830 --> 01:05:05,650


1282
01:05:05,650 --> 01:05:06,710
Bonnie Arnold.

1283
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:11,130


1284
01:05:11,130 --> 01:05:12,570
OK.

1285
01:05:12,570 --> 01:05:13,890
Hi.

1286
01:05:13,890 --> 01:05:15,690
Bonnie Arnold.

1287
01:05:15,690 --> 01:05:18,610
216 44th Avenue.

1288
01:05:18,610 --> 01:05:19,510
ST Pete Beach.

1289
01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:23,690
Lived on this
beach for 50 years.

1290
01:05:23,690 --> 01:05:28,890
I have been through
a lot on this beach.

1291
01:05:28,890 --> 01:05:32,090
Freebie is a beautiful thing.

1292
01:05:32,090 --> 01:05:36,490
It keeps people
like, basically safe.

1293
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:40,850
They can call and be
done door to door.

1294
01:05:40,850 --> 01:05:45,290
OK psta does not do that.

1295
01:05:45,290 --> 01:05:51,850
And basically, your sunrunner
is bringing a lot of people.

1296
01:05:51,850 --> 01:05:53,410
Excuse me.

1297
01:05:53,410 --> 01:05:58,970
I love everybody, but we
got a lot of strangers

1298
01:05:58,970 --> 01:06:03,690
coming as I'm out at different
times of the evening,

1299
01:06:03,690 --> 01:06:09,970
not because I'm a street
person, but because my life

1300
01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:11,230
turns around.

1301
01:06:11,230 --> 01:06:13,170
And I might be out.

1302
01:06:13,170 --> 01:06:16,610
I go get I go to 7-eleven
and get my pickles.

1303
01:06:16,610 --> 01:06:20,490
I'm telling you, people
are coming on the beach.

1304
01:06:20,490 --> 01:06:22,150
I talk to the sheriffs.

1305
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:23,050
Trust me.

1306
01:06:23,050 --> 01:06:24,850
A lot of people know me.

1307
01:06:24,850 --> 01:06:26,550
Even the sheriffs.

1308
01:06:26,550 --> 01:06:30,170
OK The fact is, I'm harmless.

1309
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:37,210
Fact is, we have a lot sunrunner
is bringing a lot of people

1310
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:39,930
in that we don't want.

1311
01:06:39,930 --> 01:06:45,650
The sheriffs are on the
beach bunches of times

1312
01:06:45,650 --> 01:06:46,930
that I watch them.

1313
01:06:46,930 --> 01:06:53,210
I have a condo at sunrise
besides my house on 44th.

1314
01:06:53,210 --> 01:06:55,930
And I sit there and
I'll be out on the porch

1315
01:06:55,930 --> 01:06:59,210
and I'm going like,
what is going on.

1316
01:06:59,210 --> 01:07:01,260
And that's what they're doing.

1317
01:07:01,260 --> 01:07:03,440
They're doing the homeless.

1318
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,680
I am super sorry
about the homeless,

1319
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:12,120
but I don't think ST Pete
Beach residents want this.

1320
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:18,060
And I'm talking about their
men like they need mental help.

1321
01:07:18,060 --> 01:07:21,700
And, I mean, I'll
walk into 7-eleven

1322
01:07:21,700 --> 01:07:24,740
and they're ready to fight
me, and it'll be a girl.

1323
01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:27,200
And I'm like, sitting
there going, geez,

1324
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:28,720
I just want my bagels.

1325
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,580
I'm talking about and
minding my own business.

1326
01:07:32,580 --> 01:07:34,860
What I'm talking
about is you've got

1327
01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:42,980
a lot of people coming in that
you guys aren't up at that time.

1328
01:07:42,980 --> 01:07:43,480
All right.

1329
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:44,940
And they're coming in.

1330
01:07:44,940 --> 01:07:48,900
And the businesses are open.

1331
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:49,540
All right.

1332
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:52,140
And we're not even
talking about the drunks.

1333
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:58,740
We're talking about they're
coming in on the sunrunner

1334
01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:01,140
freebie comes and picks you up.

1335
01:08:01,140 --> 01:08:02,420
What have you.

1336
01:08:02,420 --> 01:08:05,700
So how about charging.

1337
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:07,640
Like, how about free.

1338
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,860
I don't think the
residents would be pissed

1339
01:08:09,860 --> 01:08:14,060
off about paying a little bit.

1340
01:08:14,060 --> 01:08:17,779
I don't think it needs
to be the city burden,

1341
01:08:17,779 --> 01:08:22,819
but the fact is, it should
not be a city burden.

1342
01:08:22,819 --> 01:08:25,859
Period it's not doing.

1343
01:08:25,859 --> 01:08:30,060
It's not bringing
what we need to do.

1344
01:08:30,060 --> 01:08:34,359
I mean, we're trying to
bring tourists into tourists.

1345
01:08:34,359 --> 01:08:35,460
That's great.

1346
01:08:35,460 --> 01:08:37,340
But homeless is not.

1347
01:08:37,340 --> 01:08:38,520
And you're transiting.

1348
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:39,080
I'm sorry.

1349
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:39,880
I'm over my time.

1350
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:40,580
Thank you.

1351
01:08:40,580 --> 01:08:42,300
Thank you very much.

1352
01:08:42,300 --> 01:08:44,200
I'll just say Bob Spera.

1353
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:47,180


1354
01:08:47,180 --> 01:08:52,260
So, Bob Spera, 1605
pass-a-grille way.

1355
01:08:52,260 --> 01:08:54,760
I had a lot of good things
I was going to talk about,

1356
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:56,910
but you guys have
done a super great job

1357
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:59,950
of vetting the whole situation.

1358
01:08:59,950 --> 01:09:03,090
I was originally coming
up to in my career,

1359
01:09:03,090 --> 01:09:07,470
I've been a vendor who's
answered over 100 RFPs

1360
01:09:07,470 --> 01:09:14,710
in my career, and I guess the
comments that I would make is I

1361
01:09:14,710 --> 01:09:17,970
know a lot of times these
decisions get made in a vacuum,

1362
01:09:17,970 --> 01:09:19,490
and maybe you guys aren't.

1363
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:22,810
Maybe this I don't
these are questions.

1364
01:09:22,810 --> 01:09:26,390
The decision gets made and then
they present you the findings.

1365
01:09:26,390 --> 01:09:31,069
But I would just say
in my line of business,

1366
01:09:31,069 --> 01:09:34,710
there's always
like a lights out.

1367
01:09:34,710 --> 01:09:36,050
Piece of the contract.

1368
01:09:36,050 --> 01:09:39,430
And so I do know my
wife works for freebee.

1369
01:09:39,430 --> 01:09:42,670
One thing I'm very,
very surprised at

1370
01:09:42,670 --> 01:09:44,710
is how well that
business is run.

1371
01:09:44,710 --> 01:09:49,689
And it sounds like it
costs money to run it.

1372
01:09:49,689 --> 01:09:50,790
Nothing's free.

1373
01:09:50,790 --> 01:09:56,190
But I would also say that
these guys really, really that.

1374
01:09:56,190 --> 01:09:59,590
And the lights out
component is if I would just

1375
01:09:59,590 --> 01:10:03,510
say I would make sure that you
make sure the people selecting

1376
01:10:03,510 --> 01:10:06,750
or making recommendations
make sure that from a legal

1377
01:10:06,750 --> 01:10:10,270
perspective, there's enough
insurance involved in how this

1378
01:10:10,270 --> 01:10:13,670
is handled, because
one catastrophic event

1379
01:10:13,670 --> 01:10:15,930
with a company that
you decide to go with,

1380
01:10:15,930 --> 01:10:18,030
if you do decide
to go with micro,

1381
01:10:18,030 --> 01:10:19,790
could end up turning
the lights out.

1382
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:21,470
So that's just me
being a concerned

1383
01:10:21,470 --> 01:10:24,150
citizen, whatever that's worth.

1384
01:10:24,150 --> 01:10:24,650
Yeah thanks.

1385
01:10:24,650 --> 01:10:28,550


1386
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:29,730
Dana Richardson.

1387
01:10:29,730 --> 01:10:33,870


1388
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:39,110
Thanks Dana Richardson
5830 Bahama way South.

1389
01:10:39,110 --> 01:10:42,670
So we moved here in 2020.

1390
01:10:42,670 --> 01:10:47,250
And before then used to
use free beach rides.

1391
01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:49,870
And it was great and it worked.

1392
01:10:49,870 --> 01:10:55,520
And I agree with Karen Marriott
Lisa and maybe some others here.

1393
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:00,200
I think that we can
get rid of freebie.

1394
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,660
Is it a great product.

1395
01:11:01,660 --> 01:11:04,040
Sure but it's very costly.

1396
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,500
And right now, we just don't
have the money to spend.

1397
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:13,480
Maybe another day in
the future, but not now.

1398
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:21,680
And I do believe if freebie does
get canceled that would also

1399
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:25,680
bring in maybe different
companies to come in

1400
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:27,740
or free beach rides.

1401
01:11:27,740 --> 01:11:30,760
Just beefs up what they have.

1402
01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,080
So that's my view.

1403
01:11:33,080 --> 01:11:36,840
And again, like
with Karen said, I

1404
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,220
don't have a lot
of use for PTSA,

1405
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:43,500
but anything to do with the ones
that are the least fortunate,

1406
01:11:43,500 --> 01:11:44,420
the handicapped.

1407
01:11:44,420 --> 01:11:46,200
I am all for.

1408
01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:47,520
Thank you so much.

1409
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:53,700
Yeah I have no more public
comment on this topic.

1410
01:11:53,700 --> 01:11:55,100
OK thank you.

1411
01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:58,880


1412
01:11:58,880 --> 01:11:59,380
Yes, sir.

1413
01:11:59,380 --> 01:11:59,913
Go ahead please.

1414
01:11:59,913 --> 01:12:04,480
A quick question while
we have Brad here.

1415
01:12:04,480 --> 01:12:10,480
I had mentioned the possibility
of working to try to have only

1416
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:13,360
one bus at a time
in the County park,

1417
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:18,880
and so if we end up
with the service,

1418
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,860
then I understood you were
going to look into that.

1419
01:12:21,860 --> 01:12:24,300
So I think that would be great.

1420
01:12:24,300 --> 01:12:31,920
And as I've said, I've seen the
bus too in this lot very often.

1421
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,680
And a third one on
the street, sometimes

1422
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:36,800
waiting to get into the lot.

1423
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,400
And then what I
wanted to reemphasize

1424
01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:44,840
is that I've also seen the
drivers stop northbound

1425
01:12:44,840 --> 01:12:50,200
at the coffee shops, and so
that blocks one of the two lanes

1426
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:52,040
on Gulf Boulevard.

1427
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:54,760
So there's the Starbucks
basically across the street

1428
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:55,400
there.

1429
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,600
So the sunrunner will be
stopped on Gulf Boulevard

1430
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:02,920
there in front of Starbucks
with for an indefinite amount

1431
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:03,880
of time.

1432
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,500
And then the next coffee shop
northward is Caribou Coffee.

1433
01:13:07,500 --> 01:13:10,000
And it also stops
there and stays.

1434
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,960
I know the drivers go
inside and order whatever.

1435
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,120
So I wanted to
highlight that to you

1436
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:23,440
as a pain point that we notice.

1437
01:13:23,440 --> 01:13:24,340
That's all.

1438
01:13:24,340 --> 01:13:26,160
That's all I had.

1439
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:28,640
OK thank you.

1440
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:29,340
Yes, sir.

1441
01:13:29,340 --> 01:13:30,600
Yes, sir.

1442
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,420
My question.

1443
01:13:31,420 --> 01:13:33,020
Mandy, the last time
we discussed this,

1444
01:13:33,020 --> 01:13:37,840
I had requested that staff
pull or informally coordinate

1445
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:39,740
with some of the hotels,
the larger hotels,

1446
01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:41,100
to see if they were willing.

1447
01:13:41,100 --> 01:13:45,080
As commissioner Marriott
just reminded me about

1448
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,090
if they'd be willing to
subsidize it if the city did

1449
01:13:48,090 --> 01:13:50,250
not, was that done.

1450
01:13:50,250 --> 01:13:52,770
I can say I personally
reached out.

1451
01:13:52,770 --> 01:13:54,890
There was a monthly
hoteliers meeting.

1452
01:13:54,890 --> 01:14:00,970
I brought up this topic and the
general tenor of the feedback

1453
01:14:00,970 --> 01:14:02,810
was they were not
interested because they'd

1454
01:14:02,810 --> 01:14:05,010
like to keep their
guests on site

1455
01:14:05,010 --> 01:14:08,330
and that incentivizes
their guests leaving

1456
01:14:08,330 --> 01:14:11,770
these larger resort areas.

1457
01:14:11,770 --> 01:14:13,850
And so there was no
interest in helping.

1458
01:14:13,850 --> 01:14:14,350
Thank you.

1459
01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:17,470
Now, that's a very justifiable
answer from their perspective,

1460
01:14:17,470 --> 01:14:19,690
but it just triggered
me when I will

1461
01:14:19,690 --> 01:14:23,170
say that Tradewinds
I know Tradewinds

1462
01:14:23,170 --> 01:14:24,350
and perhaps the Serrata.

1463
01:14:24,350 --> 01:14:27,930
But the Tradewinds has their
own contract with psta,

1464
01:14:27,930 --> 01:14:32,810
where Tradewinds employees get
one of those u-pass bus passes,

1465
01:14:32,810 --> 01:14:35,930
as do all of the
Tradewinds guests.

1466
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:39,810
So though Tradewinds isn't
contributing to the city's

1467
01:14:39,810 --> 01:14:42,410
micro mobility program,
they are contributing

1468
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:44,610
to a way for their
employees and guests

1469
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:47,770
to get around without
having to rent a car.

1470
01:14:47,770 --> 01:14:48,850
OK, interesting.

1471
01:14:48,850 --> 01:14:51,010
That's actually a
good information.

1472
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:54,857
OK city manager, do
you have what you need.

1473
01:14:54,857 --> 01:14:55,790
Good just want to make sure.

1474
01:14:55,790 --> 01:14:57,710
OK thank you very much.

1475
01:14:57,710 --> 01:15:00,417
I appreciate you and lively
interesting discussion.

1476
01:15:00,417 --> 01:15:01,750
Thank you, everybody,
for your feedback.

1477
01:15:01,750 --> 01:15:02,730
We appreciate you.

1478
01:15:02,730 --> 01:15:04,690
I know there's a lot
of I will say this.

1479
01:15:04,690 --> 01:15:06,310
We get lots of emails on this.

1480
01:15:06,310 --> 01:15:08,030
I know there's a lot of
passion on both sides.

1481
01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:12,070
So, thank you for everybody for
your passion and your feedback.

1482
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:15,330
I think right now we're just
trying to figure out what we can

1483
01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:16,950
do with budget constraints
and other things

1484
01:15:16,950 --> 01:15:17,750
that we're dealing with.

1485
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:22,210
So thank you all OK.

1486
01:15:22,210 --> 01:15:24,570
All right.

1487
01:15:24,570 --> 01:15:25,590
Next I'm sorry.

1488
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:26,330
Were there other.

1489
01:15:26,330 --> 01:15:28,810
Were there other audience
comments for general audience

1490
01:15:28,810 --> 01:15:30,123
comments which is
next on the agenda

1491
01:15:30,123 --> 01:15:31,190
I think where we're headed next.

1492
01:15:31,190 --> 01:15:34,830
Yes So please call
general comments, please.

1493
01:15:34,830 --> 01:15:35,910
Vincent Taormina.

1494
01:15:35,910 --> 01:15:44,300


1495
01:15:44,300 --> 01:15:50,860
Questions I don't understand why
that p sta goes all the way from

1496
01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:54,820
clear water and stops
at 75th, when all

1497
01:15:54,820 --> 01:15:58,480
the rest of the towns
are being has stops,

1498
01:15:58,480 --> 01:16:00,340
and then it stops at 75th.

1499
01:16:00,340 --> 01:16:01,980
That's one question.

1500
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:05,900
Second one, I'd like to know
when Publix is returning

1501
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:08,340
because that's also a problem.

1502
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:12,460
The third is that I
spoke to Bruce Wright

1503
01:16:12,460 --> 01:16:15,620
today in the tax
collector's office.

1504
01:16:15,620 --> 01:16:19,480
And they have a mistaken thing.

1505
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:25,560
When we had the flood with
Helene Idalia the hurricanes,

1506
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,580
they put down our homes
as being remodeled

1507
01:16:29,580 --> 01:16:38,580
instead of repaired and raised
us $200,000 on our market value.

1508
01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:45,100
OK, I'm trying to get it fixed
and it ranges from Bella vista

1509
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:47,780
through the dongsi area.

1510
01:16:47,780 --> 01:16:53,200
So I need the city to help out
with this to take care of it.

1511
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,040
It went up 200,000 because
he said to me, Bruce, right.

1512
01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,520
Oh, that was a remodel.

1513
01:16:58,520 --> 01:16:59,680
I said, no, it wasn't.

1514
01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:03,660
It was a repair to
get back in my house.

1515
01:17:03,660 --> 01:17:05,740
We had a hurricane here.

1516
01:17:05,740 --> 01:17:08,660
I mean, I didn't choose to
spend that kind of money

1517
01:17:08,660 --> 01:17:11,460
to remodel my house.

1518
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:15,320
And that's the whole problem,
what's going on right now.

1519
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,580
And that's going to affect a lot
of things because I told him,

1520
01:17:19,580 --> 01:17:21,280
and it's going to
affect you guys too,

1521
01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,540
because a lot of
people are going

1522
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:29,020
to vote yes on three in November
because of this situation.

1523
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:32,900
They should have never did that.

1524
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:34,240
He's looking into it.

1525
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,100
And I came to the city tonight
to see if you guys could help

1526
01:17:37,100 --> 01:17:41,030
out with this because
there's a lot of homes

1527
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:43,510
and a lot of properties, and
I was on the phone with him

1528
01:17:43,510 --> 01:17:46,910
for almost an hour and a half,
and we were going through them,

1529
01:17:46,910 --> 01:17:51,110
and they're down as
remodels instead of repairs.

1530
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:57,270
And all these subdivisions
are getting rates $200,000

1531
01:17:57,270 --> 01:17:58,730
on the market
value of the house,

1532
01:17:58,730 --> 01:18:00,430
which is raising
their taxes, and new

1533
01:18:00,430 --> 01:18:02,850
people are looking for money
to raise the millage rate.

1534
01:18:02,850 --> 01:18:05,990
I mean, there's a lot of things
that are involved in this,

1535
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:08,190
and November is the
biggest thing where they're

1536
01:18:08,190 --> 01:18:09,990
going to say yes on
three because they

1537
01:18:09,990 --> 01:18:13,630
want to get rid of Pinellas
County in plain English.

1538
01:18:13,630 --> 01:18:17,350
So, I mean, we need
to get this fixed.

1539
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:18,610
That's it.

1540
01:18:18,610 --> 01:18:21,510
Thank you, thank you.

1541
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:24,410
Yes city manager I would just
personally comment I mean,

1542
01:18:24,410 --> 01:18:26,750
if we got our everybody's
trying to get back

1543
01:18:26,750 --> 01:18:28,670
from these hurricanes
and obviously if they got

1544
01:18:28,670 --> 01:18:31,830
mischaracterized inappropriately
I would love us to see

1545
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:34,190
if that's truly happening.

1546
01:18:34,190 --> 01:18:36,270
If I could ask, please,
would you and your team

1547
01:18:36,270 --> 01:18:38,170
just look and see if they've
been mischaracterized?

1548
01:18:38,170 --> 01:18:41,190
Let's make sure that they're
characterized appropriately,

1549
01:18:41,190 --> 01:18:43,230
because we don't want to punish
people for just trying to get

1550
01:18:43,230 --> 01:18:44,770
back on their feet, post-storm.

1551
01:18:44,770 --> 01:18:50,070
And I'll scratch that off my
list for our next meeting.

1552
01:18:50,070 --> 01:18:50,570
Thank you.

1553
01:18:50,570 --> 01:18:52,630
OK thank you.

1554
01:18:52,630 --> 01:18:53,550
City clerk, please.

1555
01:18:53,550 --> 01:18:54,650
Michael pezza.

1556
01:18:54,650 --> 01:18:58,910


1557
01:18:58,910 --> 01:19:01,290
Got some pictures I want
to pass on to you guys.

1558
01:19:01,290 --> 01:19:05,630


1559
01:19:05,630 --> 01:19:07,110
Thank you.

1560
01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:09,230
Thank you sir.

1561
01:19:09,230 --> 01:19:11,190
Thank you sir.

1562
01:19:11,190 --> 01:19:18,530
Thanks he's afraid
to lift my shoulder.

1563
01:19:18,530 --> 01:19:21,270


1564
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:25,750
I'm going to tell you
about my chiropractor.

1565
01:19:25,750 --> 01:19:26,850
My name is Mike pezza.

1566
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:29,430
I live at 124th Avenue.

1567
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:33,150
Some of you may remember,
ours was the home that we were

1568
01:19:33,150 --> 01:19:34,850
willing to donate to the city.

1569
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:36,830
This was about a year ago.

1570
01:19:36,830 --> 01:19:37,810
It didn't work out.

1571
01:19:37,810 --> 01:19:44,750
But that was the start of our
beginning to build a new home.

1572
01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:47,270
I'm addressing you all today
with some recent circumstances

1573
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:49,070
and our new construction.

1574
01:19:49,070 --> 01:19:51,430
I'm going to highlight
some of the important dates

1575
01:19:51,430 --> 01:19:52,210
that you can find.

1576
01:19:52,210 --> 01:19:53,370
The rest and are uploaded.

1577
01:19:53,370 --> 01:19:59,710
Permit application on 822
of 2025 was a year ago.

1578
01:19:59,710 --> 01:20:05,150
We submitted for permit and 9 2
2025 our architectural drawings

1579
01:20:05,150 --> 01:20:07,230
without pilings were
stamped approved

1580
01:20:07,230 --> 01:20:13,670
by the building reviewer Joseph
Payne on 10:00/9:00, 2025.

1581
01:20:13,670 --> 01:20:15,510
The revision
drawing with geotech

1582
01:20:15,510 --> 01:20:17,510
and scour
recommendations notated

1583
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:20,070
were submitted by our architect.

1584
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:22,670
We then went into
a four month delay

1585
01:20:22,670 --> 01:20:24,990
due to an issue we had
with the sanitary line

1586
01:20:24,990 --> 01:20:26,430
with our neighbors.

1587
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:30,430
Got that resolved on 213 2026.

1588
01:20:30,430 --> 01:20:33,110
Our architectural drawings
stamped approved by zoning

1589
01:20:33,110 --> 01:20:38,120
by Brandon Berry on 26.

1590
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:41,740
Site inspection past seven 926.

1591
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:45,020
Our permit was
approved and 7 1026.

1592
01:20:45,020 --> 01:20:49,620
Our soil compaction was
in progress seven 1426.

1593
01:20:49,620 --> 01:20:53,580
Soil density test report
submitted to the city 7:15.

1594
01:20:53,580 --> 01:20:57,580
Our foundation
excavation started 724.

1595
01:20:57,580 --> 01:21:00,760
Our foundation formwork
and Rebar began

1596
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:04,040
was in progress on eight 226.

1597
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,440
Rebar inspection was requested.

1598
01:21:06,440 --> 01:21:09,720
There was an unknown fee
for $25 that held it up.

1599
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:13,000
So our builder went back on 819,
requested the Rebar inspection

1600
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:18,040
again for August 21 of 26.

1601
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,260
On August 21 of 26, while
waiting for inspection,

1602
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:23,760
our builder received a phone
call from the inspector

1603
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,440
that our inspection
was being canceled.

1604
01:21:26,440 --> 01:21:29,120
Our builder immediately
went to the city offices

1605
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,280
and was told by Lou Curtis that
the property is within 300 feet

1606
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,200
of a coastal
construction lane, and

1607
01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:37,520
the criteria was overlooked
during the planning

1608
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,160
review process.

1609
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:40,860
He also stated
that he was sorry,

1610
01:21:40,860 --> 01:21:43,840
but a third party reviewer
was used by the city

1611
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,160
and it was simply overlooked.

1612
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:47,760
He showed our
builder some software

1613
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,980
that the city uses to
determine the rule,

1614
01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:55,120
but explained that this offer
is not available to the public.

1615
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:57,840
Our builder was also told that
there are a few other situations

1616
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,320
like this that have
slipped through the cracks,

1617
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,360
but they are too far
along for the city

1618
01:22:02,360 --> 01:22:05,000
to do anything about them.

1619
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,040
The city had over one year
to inform us of this matter.

1620
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:10,720
No correspondence was made
by any building official

1621
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:13,000
prior to last
Friday to inform us.

1622
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,320
We heard through a building
inspector on a phone call

1623
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:18,280
that a permit was being held up
because we are not in compliance

1624
01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:20,560
and pilots are required.

1625
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:25,160
No prior communication at
all with the city is doing.

1626
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:26,240
Keep going.

1627
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:26,740
Keep going.

1628
01:22:26,740 --> 01:22:27,780
Please please continue.

1629
01:22:27,780 --> 01:22:28,320
Thank you.

1630
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:28,820
Thank you.

1631
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:31,890
Mayor what the city is doing
is untimely and unfair.

1632
01:22:31,890 --> 01:22:34,050
Both geotech and
structural engineers

1633
01:22:34,050 --> 01:22:36,770
have stated that this does
not pose either a health

1634
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:39,450
or safety issue to the public.

1635
01:22:39,450 --> 01:22:41,190
We've met all the requirements.

1636
01:22:41,190 --> 01:22:43,090
And there's no way to
discern its enforcement

1637
01:22:43,090 --> 01:22:45,170
due to the fact that
the city uses a map that

1638
01:22:45,170 --> 01:22:47,570
is not available to the public.

1639
01:22:47,570 --> 01:22:50,290
This is causing tremendous
financial and time lost

1640
01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:52,490
hardship, and if
enforced, we are

1641
01:22:52,490 --> 01:22:57,930
looking at a financial impact
to us upwards of $150,000.

1642
01:22:57,930 --> 01:23:01,090
The whole thing would
have to be redone.

1643
01:23:01,090 --> 01:23:03,110
We have met all our
safety requirements,

1644
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:06,530
and you're applying this rule
in arbitrary, capricious manner.

1645
01:23:06,530 --> 01:23:09,290
The city needs to step in
and take a look at this

1646
01:23:09,290 --> 01:23:12,330
and address this
situation exponentially

1647
01:23:12,330 --> 01:23:17,290
in order, in effect, to avoid
these financial damages to us.

1648
01:23:17,290 --> 01:23:18,570
Thank you.

1649
01:23:18,570 --> 01:23:19,970
Thank you sir.

1650
01:23:19,970 --> 01:23:21,530
I've given you guys
the pictures to show

1651
01:23:21,530 --> 01:23:24,050
you where we're at with this.

1652
01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:27,410
And there's a lot of
work that has been done.

1653
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:30,690
At this point, I talked
to the contractor

1654
01:23:30,690 --> 01:23:33,770
and he stated that they
would have to start over

1655
01:23:33,770 --> 01:23:36,510
from the beginning,
remove all the soil,

1656
01:23:36,510 --> 01:23:38,350
all the Rebar, all the footings.

1657
01:23:38,350 --> 01:23:40,810
They've been working on
this for over a month.

1658
01:23:40,810 --> 01:23:42,490
If this was brought
to our attention

1659
01:23:42,490 --> 01:23:45,670
before we went for permit,
we would have had no choice.

1660
01:23:45,670 --> 01:23:49,270
We would have done the pylons,
but I never said we went.

1661
01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:50,430
We had it compacted.

1662
01:23:50,430 --> 01:23:51,150
We did everything.

1663
01:23:51,150 --> 01:23:52,510
The city has asked for us.

1664
01:23:52,510 --> 01:23:55,490
And now this comes up
at the 11th hour, which

1665
01:23:55,490 --> 01:23:57,330
I just don't think is fair.

1666
01:23:57,330 --> 01:23:59,730
Understood I did thank you.

1667
01:23:59,730 --> 01:24:03,450
City manager, can you please
make sure that we have staff

1668
01:24:03,450 --> 01:24:04,650
look into this.

1669
01:24:04,650 --> 01:24:06,190
Do we have contact information.

1670
01:24:06,190 --> 01:24:08,050
I'd like to make
sure that he has.

1671
01:24:08,050 --> 01:24:10,610
Please if he could either
get your information

1672
01:24:10,610 --> 01:24:12,410
for questions, please.

1673
01:24:12,410 --> 01:24:16,410
And I would like
you please, to help

1674
01:24:16,410 --> 01:24:19,650
make sure that we follow
through on this as appropriate

1675
01:24:19,650 --> 01:24:21,730
as we can.

1676
01:24:21,730 --> 01:24:24,330
I know who you are, Mr.
President, so I'll be in touch.

1677
01:24:24,330 --> 01:24:25,670
I would give you
my business card,

1678
01:24:25,670 --> 01:24:27,270
but they've been all given out.

1679
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:28,260
But I'll be in touch.

1680
01:24:28,260 --> 01:24:28,760
Thank you.

1681
01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:29,840
OK thank you.

1682
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:35,560
Sir Dana Richardson.

1683
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:41,380


1684
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:45,820
Dana Richardson, 5830
Bahama way South.

1685
01:24:45,820 --> 01:24:50,020
I just had one thing to
say about the extension

1686
01:24:50,020 --> 01:24:52,460
of the chill contract.

1687
01:24:52,460 --> 01:24:54,440
I enjoy going to chill.

1688
01:24:54,440 --> 01:24:56,340
I've been there many
times in the evenings

1689
01:24:56,340 --> 01:25:00,180
and listen to music,
so I love chill.

1690
01:25:00,180 --> 01:25:04,060
But with this
contract, I personally

1691
01:25:04,060 --> 01:25:08,420
would like to keep things
black, white and very clean.

1692
01:25:08,420 --> 01:25:12,420
And is it possible
to just do the $1,500

1693
01:25:12,420 --> 01:25:17,100
month rental fee
versus a percentage

1694
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:19,940
of outdoor versus indoor.

1695
01:25:19,940 --> 01:25:24,340
I think that can be possibly.

1696
01:25:24,340 --> 01:25:26,160
Well, I'm not even
going to say it.

1697
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,860
All I'm saying I prefer
to keep it clean.

1698
01:25:28,860 --> 01:25:33,000
A flat rate, whatever that
rate is on a monthly basis.

1699
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:34,420
Thank you.

1700
01:25:34,420 --> 01:25:35,080
Thank you.

1701
01:25:35,080 --> 01:25:38,660


1702
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:41,780
I have no further comments.

1703
01:25:41,780 --> 01:25:44,620
OK thank you so much.

1704
01:25:44,620 --> 01:25:45,120
Always good.

1705
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:45,840
Always good feedback.

1706
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:48,540
Thank you, everybody.

1707
01:25:48,540 --> 01:25:51,020
Over to the consent agenda.

1708
01:25:51,020 --> 01:25:51,960
Just a reminder.

1709
01:25:51,960 --> 01:26:01,620
We pulled B, C and J for
separate discussion minus those.

1710
01:26:01,620 --> 01:26:05,140
Do we have a motion on the
remaining items minus BC

1711
01:26:05,140 --> 01:26:09,220
and j motion to approve
the consent items

1712
01:26:09,220 --> 01:26:17,460
or accept them as presented
minus BK and j items second.

1713
01:26:17,460 --> 01:26:18,680
Vice mayor Robinson.

1714
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:19,560
Yes commissioner.

1715
01:26:19,560 --> 01:26:21,040
Causey yes.

1716
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,000
Commissioner Maldonado.

1717
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,800
Yes commissioner.

1718
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:23,880
Marriott yes.

1719
01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:24,600
Mayor Tate.

1720
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,100
Yes The motion carries.

1721
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:30,300
OK we'll take them in order.

1722
01:26:30,300 --> 01:26:30,800
Let's go.

1723
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,980
With consent for B.
Authorize the city manager

1724
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:36,660
to exercise the first extension
as outlined in the contract

1725
01:26:36,660 --> 01:26:39,900
to renew the parklet agreement
with show restaurant.

1726
01:26:39,900 --> 01:26:41,760
I believe, Commissioner
Robinson, you pulled it.

1727
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:42,920
I just had two questions.

1728
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,660
I didn't see the insurance
certificate in there,

1729
01:26:45,660 --> 01:26:49,800
so I wanted to make sure we did
have an insurance certificate,

1730
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:51,780
because it's not in the packet.

1731
01:26:51,780 --> 01:26:55,940
We'll follow up with that, but
I think that they're there.

1732
01:26:55,940 --> 01:26:59,260
Come to the microphone.

1733
01:26:59,260 --> 01:26:59,840
I'm sorry.

1734
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:02,620
Sorry Mandy Edmonds,
resident services director.

1735
01:27:02,620 --> 01:27:04,400
Yes once we have this
approved tonight,

1736
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,300
we'll follow through with
get the remainder of what's

1737
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:07,640
required for the contract.

1738
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,760
And that will include
the insurance.

1739
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:12,200
And it will also include
hold harmless agreement.

1740
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:15,400
And then payments made to date.

1741
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,920
Are we current on
all of the payments.

1742
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:21,520
I think it's basically
the $1,500 a month.

1743
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,910
We're current through
May we just recently

1744
01:27:23,910 --> 01:27:25,950
invoiced for June and July.

1745
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:27,050
But we are current.

1746
01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:31,750
Yes just wanted to
make sure on that.

1747
01:27:31,750 --> 01:27:32,830
There you go.

1748
01:27:32,830 --> 01:27:35,590
Just because we had a
public comment right now

1749
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:38,190
the minimum they pay is 1,500.

1750
01:27:38,190 --> 01:27:42,650
So it escalates if their
sales are generated more.

1751
01:27:42,650 --> 01:27:45,550
So just wanted the commission
to know that we are

1752
01:27:45,550 --> 01:27:48,970
actually making more than
1,500 per month some months,

1753
01:27:48,970 --> 01:27:49,950
not all months.

1754
01:27:49,950 --> 01:27:53,470
I just wanted to make sure
we got the $50,000 that

1755
01:27:53,470 --> 01:27:58,710
the taxpayers paid to build that
parklet back, and that's really

1756
01:27:58,710 --> 01:28:00,150
my big concern.

1757
01:28:00,150 --> 01:28:02,650
Yeah, because that
was taxpayer funded.

1758
01:28:02,650 --> 01:28:03,210
Yes, ma'am.

1759
01:28:03,210 --> 01:28:05,270
Interest free.

1760
01:28:05,270 --> 01:28:09,010
So to date, it's 52,994.43.

1761
01:28:09,010 --> 01:28:11,590
And there was a little
architectural stuff in there

1762
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:12,310
too.

1763
01:28:12,310 --> 01:28:13,250
So no it's good.

1764
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:15,310
Yeah it's great that
we're discussing that.

1765
01:28:15,310 --> 01:28:17,430
Yeah OK.

1766
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:18,790
Thank you.

1767
01:28:18,790 --> 01:28:21,270
And that was all I had for that.

1768
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:23,110
Thank you.

1769
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:26,310
I'll make a motion to authorize
the city manager to exercise

1770
01:28:26,310 --> 01:28:28,390
the first extension, as
outlined in the contract

1771
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:31,030
to renew the parklet agreement
with chill restaurant.

1772
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:31,890
I'll second.

1773
01:28:31,890 --> 01:28:34,510


1774
01:28:34,510 --> 01:28:36,150
Commissioner Causey.

1775
01:28:36,150 --> 01:28:37,130
Yes, Commissioner.

1776
01:28:37,130 --> 01:28:38,210
Maldonado yes.

1777
01:28:38,210 --> 01:28:39,210
Commissioner Marriott.

1778
01:28:39,210 --> 01:28:40,250
Yes vice mayor.

1779
01:28:40,250 --> 01:28:41,290
Robertson yes.

1780
01:28:41,290 --> 01:28:42,050
Mayor Tate.

1781
01:28:42,050 --> 01:28:44,110
Yes The motion carries.

1782
01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:44,810
OK thank you.

1783
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:50,310
Next item 4 C consent for C
authorize the city manager

1784
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:52,590
to execute the holiday
decoration services agreement

1785
01:28:52,590 --> 01:28:53,730
with Christmas designers.

1786
01:28:53,730 --> 01:28:57,630
Florida holiday
outdoor decor at a cost

1787
01:28:57,630 --> 01:29:02,050
of $76,621 for December 2026.

1788
01:29:02,050 --> 01:29:04,150
Holiday decorations.

1789
01:29:04,150 --> 01:29:06,830
I just have one question.

1790
01:29:06,830 --> 01:29:08,530
What is the difference.

1791
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:11,190
I mean, how many
different polls.

1792
01:29:11,190 --> 01:29:16,710
I'm just looking at the huge
discrepancy between pole trim

1793
01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:19,960
and tree wraps on
pass-a-grille on gulfway

1794
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:23,280
in, prasugrel way for 22 blocks.

1795
01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:28,000
There's 167 as a
quantity, and then pull

1796
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:30,440
mounts on Gulf
Boulevard from Quarry

1797
01:29:30,440 --> 01:29:37,520
to the Bay way, which is
many more blocks in 22 at 68.

1798
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:40,080
So the pole wraps are
going to be what that candy

1799
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,260
cane looking Garland is.

1800
01:29:43,260 --> 01:29:45,200
That's what's down
in pass-a-grille

1801
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:46,300
there wrapped every pole.

1802
01:29:46,300 --> 01:29:48,840
And then the pole
decorations on Gulf Boulevard

1803
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,040
are the actual lighted pole
decorations that you see.

1804
01:29:52,040 --> 01:29:54,900
So there are two different
types of decorations.

1805
01:29:54,900 --> 01:29:57,620
Does that answer your so well.

1806
01:29:57,620 --> 01:29:59,000
It's two different types.

1807
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,460
I mean there's just a
different quantity amount.

1808
01:30:01,460 --> 01:30:06,160
It just seems a little odd
for what we've got here.

1809
01:30:06,160 --> 01:30:10,140
I mean, are we talking
both sides of the street.

1810
01:30:10,140 --> 01:30:12,960
So we're talking
what, 44 blocks.

1811
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:17,000
If I say from first to 22nd and
first to 20 and we have Gulf

1812
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,620
and we have pass-a-grille way.

1813
01:30:18,620 --> 01:30:21,220
So we're talking
basically right.

1814
01:30:21,220 --> 01:30:26,760
But still that's a huge
discrepancy in the number.

1815
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:27,260
It is.

1816
01:30:27,260 --> 01:30:28,440
And I don't know
if I necessarily

1817
01:30:28,440 --> 01:30:30,880
have a justification for
it other than that was what

1818
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,500
was written into the contract.

1819
01:30:32,500 --> 01:30:33,800
Well, we've done it every year.

1820
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,100
Yeah every year
it's been like that.

1821
01:30:35,100 --> 01:30:39,140
I just find it that.

1822
01:30:39,140 --> 01:30:44,160
Pass-a-grille does it look more
Christmassy than the rest of us.

1823
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,340
I wouldn't say that it looks
more Christmassy than the rest,

1824
01:30:46,340 --> 01:30:49,000
but I would say that
there's a reason they

1825
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:52,033
get more than Gulf Boulevard.

1826
01:30:52,033 --> 01:30:53,700
I think it's because they
have all the palm trees.

1827
01:30:53,700 --> 01:30:54,380
Yeah, they do.

1828
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:55,540
Line of palm trees.

1829
01:30:55,540 --> 01:30:58,560
OK I think there's more poles
to decorate in that chunk

1830
01:30:58,560 --> 01:31:01,160
than there is.

1831
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,180
Or I mean, maybe there's
not more poles overall,

1832
01:31:04,180 --> 01:31:08,560
but we've got a lot
of Poles on where

1833
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:12,440
we are getting rid of a few
of them on the undergrounding.

1834
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:17,290
I think the cost is even though
there's more polls and I can.

1835
01:31:17,290 --> 01:31:20,370
Maybe we need to follow up,
but the lighting on golf

1836
01:31:20,370 --> 01:31:25,390
are the actual pretty Christmas
trees and the lights that are.

1837
01:31:25,390 --> 01:31:27,090
The last year, they
were the Dolphins

1838
01:31:27,090 --> 01:31:31,170
jumping through the Christmas
wreaths or whatever we had.

1839
01:31:31,170 --> 01:31:32,950
Those are only going golf.

1840
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:34,610
Then when you get to
pass-a-grille they only

1841
01:31:34,610 --> 01:31:38,030
get the tree wrap, not
lighted, not lighted.

1842
01:31:38,030 --> 01:31:40,050
So we have lighted
decorations on golf

1843
01:31:40,050 --> 01:31:44,970
and we have just tree
wrap and pass-a-grille.

1844
01:31:44,970 --> 01:31:47,030
Just wanted to know
what the difference was.

1845
01:31:47,030 --> 01:31:51,450


1846
01:31:51,450 --> 01:31:54,210
I almost feel like we
should have some continuity.

1847
01:31:54,210 --> 01:31:58,090
As when you go from
the bottom of the city

1848
01:31:58,090 --> 01:32:02,290
to the North end of
the city on that road.

1849
01:32:02,290 --> 01:32:07,250
And I mean, I would almost try
to make it all look the same.

1850
01:32:07,250 --> 01:32:08,350
Do we have power.

1851
01:32:08,350 --> 01:32:09,270
Is that our problem.

1852
01:32:09,270 --> 01:32:09,790
I'm sorry.

1853
01:32:09,790 --> 01:32:10,750
Power power.

1854
01:32:10,750 --> 01:32:13,570
Yeah we do have issues with.

1855
01:32:13,570 --> 01:32:16,030
Some of the poles are
energized, some of them are not.

1856
01:32:16,030 --> 01:32:18,690
As far as the electrical
that we do plug into.

1857
01:32:18,690 --> 01:32:21,890
And we are working with Duke
right now on a lighting survey

1858
01:32:21,890 --> 01:32:25,050
and trying to correct
some of the deficiencies

1859
01:32:25,050 --> 01:32:31,090
that may be South of 55th
avenue to the bayway.

1860
01:32:31,090 --> 01:32:34,010
Some of those poles, the
city does not currently pay

1861
01:32:34,010 --> 01:32:37,450
for the electrical, so that's
why there's some limited

1862
01:32:37,450 --> 01:32:40,690
decorations heading from
55th South to the bayway,

1863
01:32:40,690 --> 01:32:43,490
whereas there's a heavier
influx of decorations

1864
01:32:43,490 --> 01:32:45,470
North of the 55th Avenue.

1865
01:32:45,470 --> 01:32:47,750
So we are working actively
with Duke to correct that.

1866
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:52,650


1867
01:32:52,650 --> 01:32:53,690
So yeah.

1868
01:32:53,690 --> 01:32:54,190
Thank you.

1869
01:32:54,190 --> 01:32:56,990
So a couple questions and
also a point of clarification.

1870
01:32:56,990 --> 01:32:58,070
They're not Christmassy.

1871
01:32:58,070 --> 01:33:00,010
They're non-secular.

1872
01:33:00,010 --> 01:33:03,810
That's to address the zombies
on next door and stuff

1873
01:33:03,810 --> 01:33:05,630
that keep bringing that up.

1874
01:33:05,630 --> 01:33:10,050
Holiday and their holiday
decorations right by design.

1875
01:33:10,050 --> 01:33:11,470
And we're never
going to get right.

1876
01:33:11,470 --> 01:33:14,170
Last year we got beat
up because we did

1877
01:33:14,170 --> 01:33:17,690
Dolphins and Maritime themes.

1878
01:33:17,690 --> 01:33:20,530
This year I'm hearing
complaints about Garland.

1879
01:33:20,530 --> 01:33:22,710
Folks are very concerned
about the Garland,

1880
01:33:22,710 --> 01:33:26,170
and the wraps are
Garland, and they're

1881
01:33:26,170 --> 01:33:28,590
in the area where most folks
are complaining about that.

1882
01:33:28,590 --> 01:33:33,990
So my question, first of all,
is because it's on County roads,

1883
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:39,970
why isn't County pain or
contributing towards this.

1884
01:33:39,970 --> 01:33:40,930
State roads.

1885
01:33:40,930 --> 01:33:41,730
State roads.

1886
01:33:41,730 --> 01:33:42,310
State roads.

1887
01:33:42,310 --> 01:33:46,770
Sorry instead of
the city, right.

1888
01:33:46,770 --> 01:33:48,630
I mean, it's their road.

1889
01:33:48,630 --> 01:33:51,990
It's their responsibility.

1890
01:33:51,990 --> 01:33:56,330
And then the other thing
is, should we do it.

1891
01:33:56,330 --> 01:33:58,810
We're in a financial
situation where

1892
01:33:58,810 --> 01:34:02,630
we're looking at
things very, very hard,

1893
01:34:02,630 --> 01:34:04,810
very difficult decisions.

1894
01:34:04,810 --> 01:34:10,700
Do the complaints outweigh the
folks that are in favor of this.

1895
01:34:10,700 --> 01:34:12,880
The County or the
State Road issue.

1896
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:15,300
I don't think that we've
ever really reviewed

1897
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:16,480
that or looked into that.

1898
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:19,540
So that's something that we can
definitely look into and review

1899
01:34:19,540 --> 01:34:22,020
as far as the should I'm going
to leave that decision up to you

1900
01:34:22,020 --> 01:34:23,940
all.

1901
01:34:23,940 --> 01:34:25,960
It's a discussion for
the Commission, right.

1902
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:27,860
I mean, it's no soup for you.

1903
01:34:27,860 --> 01:34:30,900
I mean.

1904
01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:33,460
Folks complain enough
about it, and they

1905
01:34:33,460 --> 01:34:37,680
really should consider whether
or not we continue to do this.

1906
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:40,300


1907
01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:45,300
I liked last year's
decorations, and I will just

1908
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:49,740
say that there were a nice
change up from everything

1909
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:50,480
that we've done.

1910
01:34:50,480 --> 01:34:53,020
So I hope you didn't take
a lot of heat on that.

1911
01:34:53,020 --> 01:34:54,820
We took some.

1912
01:34:54,820 --> 01:35:02,440
Well, you took it
well state owned road.

1913
01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:04,480
And I think that's an
interesting take on it.

1914
01:35:04,480 --> 01:35:07,420
That's obviously the
entire Gulf Boulevard.

1915
01:35:07,420 --> 01:35:09,900
All that is state owned stuff.

1916
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:12,220
Interesting to see what they do.

1917
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:16,160
Does I would ask how do we
compare with other beaches.

1918
01:35:16,160 --> 01:35:19,100
Is that just every beach
suffering with the state,

1919
01:35:19,100 --> 01:35:22,300
has us doing the work
or is there something

1920
01:35:22,300 --> 01:35:23,440
unique about ST Pete Beach.

1921
01:35:23,440 --> 01:35:26,060
I would just ask you to
double check into that for me.

1922
01:35:26,060 --> 01:35:28,800
And then I would just comment.

1923
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:32,100
I mean, I understand
budget constraints

1924
01:35:32,100 --> 01:35:35,380
and I think we should maybe look
for opportunities to be more

1925
01:35:35,380 --> 01:35:36,640
effective and more efficient.

1926
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,340
But I think if we
went with 0, we

1927
01:35:39,340 --> 01:35:42,780
would be a very dreary
town where everybody's

1928
01:35:42,780 --> 01:35:44,600
trying to run every 10 lights.

1929
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:48,380
I'm just saying
the should we do it

1930
01:35:48,380 --> 01:35:49,940
I think yes, I think
it would cost us maybe

1931
01:35:49,940 --> 01:35:52,300
a different dialogue, but.

1932
01:35:52,300 --> 01:35:55,740
And then is there a way
to get other funding

1933
01:35:55,740 --> 01:35:57,320
associated with it.

1934
01:35:57,320 --> 01:35:58,620
I think all interesting.

1935
01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:02,260
I don't know that that's going
to get solved this evening.

1936
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:03,560
Yeah I'm kind of
seeing the handshake.

1937
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:05,800
I knew it, I knew the
answer before I asked it.

1938
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:06,660
For what it's worth.

1939
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:11,730
Yeah, I'm torn on it.

1940
01:36:11,730 --> 01:36:14,630
I clearly we're not going to
get anything in time between now

1941
01:36:14,630 --> 01:36:15,990
and December for
the state to come in

1942
01:36:15,990 --> 01:36:17,990
and say, yes, we're going
to go ahead and subsidize.

1943
01:36:17,990 --> 01:36:20,310
Maybe that's a future
conversation for next year

1944
01:36:20,310 --> 01:36:21,130
or something like that.

1945
01:36:21,130 --> 01:36:23,210
Give us time to
really delve into it.

1946
01:36:23,210 --> 01:36:26,710
And the question is, this
year, I personally think

1947
01:36:26,710 --> 01:36:28,250
I don't want to see it go to 0.

1948
01:36:28,250 --> 01:36:32,450
And so, I think that would be
as much as people might think,

1949
01:36:32,450 --> 01:36:34,750
the comments on the other
things, I think going to 0

1950
01:36:34,750 --> 01:36:36,890
would get far more
comments than the reverse.

1951
01:36:36,890 --> 01:36:41,350
We should ask that at the
road shows you should.

1952
01:36:41,350 --> 01:36:43,410
You should have one too.

1953
01:36:43,410 --> 01:36:47,470
We got tomorrow's road show left
to maybe get a little feedback.

1954
01:36:47,470 --> 01:36:51,170
I will just add to the
contract does expire 2027.

1955
01:36:51,170 --> 01:36:53,150
So it is an opportune
time to take a look

1956
01:36:53,150 --> 01:36:55,710
at it, maybe even for
next year for before we

1957
01:36:55,710 --> 01:36:57,330
go out and rebid this.

1958
01:36:57,330 --> 01:37:00,610
So it runs through 20
through Christmas 2027.

1959
01:37:00,610 --> 01:37:04,350
It doesn't know it expires
prior I want to say

1960
01:37:04,350 --> 01:37:07,370
it expires prior
to September 2027,

1961
01:37:07,370 --> 01:37:09,430
so we would have to go out
to bid prior to our last year

1962
01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:11,350
on this contract,
and we can revisit

1963
01:37:11,350 --> 01:37:15,730
this and discuss subsidies and
all that fun stuff next year.

1964
01:37:15,730 --> 01:37:20,310
Theoretically but the
75,000 number is how did

1965
01:37:20,310 --> 01:37:22,390
we come up with that number.

1966
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:23,610
That was what was in the bid.

1967
01:37:23,610 --> 01:37:25,090
So that was the winning.

1968
01:37:25,090 --> 01:37:27,690
OK yeah 250 per gallon.

1969
01:37:27,690 --> 01:37:30,590
So we told them what
we wanted and they said

1970
01:37:30,590 --> 01:37:32,210
this is how much it will cost.

1971
01:37:32,210 --> 01:37:33,790
I believe we
identified the polls

1972
01:37:33,790 --> 01:37:36,110
that we had available
in the areas

1973
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:37,730
that we wanted to
have decorated.

1974
01:37:37,730 --> 01:37:40,610
And when we came back with the
scope of work and everything,

1975
01:37:40,610 --> 01:37:42,630
the proposal dictated
where we were going

1976
01:37:42,630 --> 01:37:43,930
to place some of these lights.

1977
01:37:43,930 --> 01:37:48,250
So it was identified
in the scope.

1978
01:37:48,250 --> 01:37:54,410
So now Garland is doesn't really
require lights, I presume.

1979
01:37:54,410 --> 01:37:57,230
No and.

1980
01:37:57,230 --> 01:38:01,110
All right.

1981
01:38:01,110 --> 01:38:05,140
I think we are beyond
the line not go.

1982
01:38:05,140 --> 01:38:07,760
My point was, I just want
people to know that this is

1983
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:10,220
a thing that the city has done.

1984
01:38:10,220 --> 01:38:12,220
That we are highly
supportive of.

1985
01:38:12,220 --> 01:38:16,260
It does come at a cost,
but we're struggling.

1986
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:18,120
So I agree with
the mayor's comment

1987
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:22,720
that we need to look at
other funding sources

1988
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,380
and that we'll have to
reconsider it next year.

1989
01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:28,540
So yeah, I'm fine.

1990
01:38:28,540 --> 01:38:31,360
I mean, I just wanted
to throw that grenade

1991
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:35,400
out there and see who it hits.

1992
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:37,280
Yeah it landed.

1993
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:38,140
Yeah good job.

1994
01:38:38,140 --> 01:38:39,360
Yeah all right.

1995
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:40,860
I didn't pull the pin, though.

1996
01:38:40,860 --> 01:38:43,620
Yeah listen, I will say
this late in the season,

1997
01:38:43,620 --> 01:38:45,720
I'm sure that they've
got many municipalities

1998
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:46,573
that they deal with.

1999
01:38:46,573 --> 01:38:48,340
So I don't think we're going
to get a lot of changes.

2000
01:38:48,340 --> 01:38:49,660
It's either go or no go.

2001
01:38:49,660 --> 01:38:52,200
And I would personally have the
mindset go because I don't want

2002
01:38:52,200 --> 01:38:55,040
to see a no declaration here.

2003
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,980
I will say if our contract's
up before next Christmas,

2004
01:38:57,980 --> 01:39:01,420
we've got opportunities to talk
about, what type of lighting,

2005
01:39:01,420 --> 01:39:04,420
which polls subsidies and.

2006
01:39:04,420 --> 01:39:06,740
And I also just while
we're at the dialogue,

2007
01:39:06,740 --> 01:39:10,880
I've had some comments
about the plastic use inside

2008
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,360
of those things as
well, in addition

2009
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,220
to some of the other comments.

2010
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:16,400
And, and maybe
there's an alternative

2011
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,340
to just go with something
that's theoretically,

2012
01:39:19,340 --> 01:39:20,640
just make sure that
we're being careful

2013
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:23,600
with our choice of
materials if as we go

2014
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,040
to renegotiate this next year.

2015
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:27,980
Noted thank you.

2016
01:39:27,980 --> 01:39:32,160
So with that, is there a motion.

2017
01:39:32,160 --> 01:39:33,920
I move to authorize
the city manager

2018
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,600
to execute the
holiday decoration

2019
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:40,520
services agreement I second.

2020
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,660
Commissioner Maldonado.

2021
01:39:41,660 --> 01:39:42,620
Yes commissioner.

2022
01:39:42,620 --> 01:39:43,600
Marriott yes.

2023
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:44,100
Vice mayor.

2024
01:39:44,100 --> 01:39:46,400
Robinson yes, Commissioner.

2025
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:47,340
Yes mayor.

2026
01:39:47,340 --> 01:39:48,260
Tate yes.

2027
01:39:48,260 --> 01:39:50,640
The motion carries.

2028
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,280
OK consent item j
authorize the city manager

2029
01:39:54,280 --> 01:39:56,760
to execute an Amendment to
the agreement with hydro

2030
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:59,880
clean, LLC to establish
annual contract

2031
01:39:59,880 --> 01:40:02,720
expenditures consistent with
the adopted city budget.

2032
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,200
I just wanted to point
out that the agenda

2033
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:11,600
report calls it a concrete,
brick and mortar repair.

2034
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:12,520
Good evening.

2035
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:13,960
Commissioner mayors.

2036
01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:15,700
Camden Mills, public
services director.

2037
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:18,780
Yes thank you for pointing
out that air for the record,

2038
01:40:18,780 --> 01:40:21,440
the concrete, brick and mortar.

2039
01:40:21,440 --> 01:40:22,820
In the summary of issue.

2040
01:40:22,820 --> 01:40:24,240
And the agenda report
should actually

2041
01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:27,000
read stormwater
inspection and cleaning.

2042
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,240
So I apologize for
that error and I'll do

2043
01:40:29,240 --> 01:40:30,540
a better job of my oversight.

2044
01:40:30,540 --> 01:40:34,320
It was a reason for me
to get you up here too.

2045
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:38,720
So can you give us an update
on the current status of how

2046
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:42,280
many miles we've done so far.

2047
01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:45,140
I don't have those numbers in
front of me, unfortunately,

2048
01:40:45,140 --> 01:40:46,600
but I know we're over.

2049
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:50,520
Around 60% I believe, total
Citywide in the stormwater

2050
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:52,020
cleaning portion of it.

2051
01:40:52,020 --> 01:40:54,440
So they are making some
pretty good headway.

2052
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:58,210
So we're about nine miles in out
of 17 or something like that.

2053
01:40:58,210 --> 01:41:04,670
OK a bulk of what's slowing
them down now is just the tides.

2054
01:41:04,670 --> 01:41:07,230
So they're getting the Inland
portions where they can.

2055
01:41:07,230 --> 01:41:09,850
And then some more of
the outskirts outfalls

2056
01:41:09,850 --> 01:41:12,330
will be as we get to
the winter and the tides

2057
01:41:12,330 --> 01:41:13,730
are lower during the day.

2058
01:41:13,730 --> 01:41:15,350
OK great.

2059
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:15,910
Thank you.

2060
01:41:15,910 --> 01:41:16,890
Thank you.

2061
01:41:16,890 --> 01:41:17,590
Real quick.

2062
01:41:17,590 --> 01:41:19,710
I'm sorry, I apologize.

2063
01:41:19,710 --> 01:41:24,690
You said storms are about
60% What about the waste.

2064
01:41:24,690 --> 01:41:27,490
The wastewater is
much further along.

2065
01:41:27,490 --> 01:41:32,570
So the main line pipes of
wastewater is about 97%

2066
01:41:32,570 --> 01:41:34,330
The only sections
that are left are

2067
01:41:34,330 --> 01:41:36,050
in the Don Cesar neighborhood.

2068
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:37,370
So there's some
areas there where

2069
01:41:37,370 --> 01:41:39,090
the sanitary sewer
is in the back

2070
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:40,830
of lots rather than the front.

2071
01:41:40,830 --> 01:41:44,423
So we're going door to door
knocking on people's homes,

2072
01:41:44,423 --> 01:41:45,690
especially in the
areas where we don't

2073
01:41:45,690 --> 01:41:48,550
have public access easements
and try to identify that.

2074
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:51,930
So that's really the last
piece on the wastewater.

2075
01:41:51,930 --> 01:41:56,110
The camera inspections and the
evaluation is following behind.

2076
01:41:56,110 --> 01:41:59,510
But at least the cleaning up
of it is moving well ahead.

2077
01:41:59,510 --> 01:42:01,530
And to be clear, I just want
to make sure not falling

2078
01:42:01,530 --> 01:42:03,390
behind but following behind.

2079
01:42:03,390 --> 01:42:04,310
Following behind.

2080
01:42:04,310 --> 01:42:04,950
Correct gotcha.

2081
01:42:04,950 --> 01:42:05,970
Make sure.

2082
01:42:05,970 --> 01:42:07,330
Thank you for that.

2083
01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:08,150
Thank you.

2084
01:42:08,150 --> 01:42:08,950
Yeah OK.

2085
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:09,470
Thank you.

2086
01:42:09,470 --> 01:42:10,950
Unless there's other questions.

2087
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:13,410
Is there a motion.

2088
01:42:13,410 --> 01:42:15,210
Make a motion to
authorize the city

2089
01:42:15,210 --> 01:42:18,490
manager to execute an Amendment
to the agreement with hydro

2090
01:42:18,490 --> 01:42:19,970
clean, LLC.

2091
01:42:19,970 --> 01:42:23,410
To establish annual contract
expenditures consistent

2092
01:42:23,410 --> 01:42:25,610
with the adopted city budget.

2093
01:42:25,610 --> 01:42:27,990
Second commissioner.

2094
01:42:27,990 --> 01:42:30,070
Marriott yes, Vice
Mayor Robertson.

2095
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:31,690
Yes, Commissioner.

2096
01:42:31,690 --> 01:42:32,670
Yes commissioner.

2097
01:42:32,670 --> 01:42:33,790
Maldonado yes.

2098
01:42:33,790 --> 01:42:34,630
And Mayor Tate.

2099
01:42:34,630 --> 01:42:37,090
Yes The motion carries.

2100
01:42:37,090 --> 01:42:39,010
OK thank you very much.

2101
01:42:39,010 --> 01:42:41,530
I believe we're on
to the ordinances.

2102
01:42:41,530 --> 01:42:43,950
City attorney,
acting city attorney.

2103
01:42:43,950 --> 01:42:47,130
I'm not sure how to
address you, I apologize.

2104
01:42:47,130 --> 01:42:48,590
Will you please read
the ordinance title.

2105
01:42:48,590 --> 01:42:50,570
All right.

2106
01:42:50,570 --> 01:42:54,750
Yeah this is a first reading
of ordinance 2024 2616.

2107
01:42:54,750 --> 01:42:56,200
16 there is no.

2108
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:57,960
This is, as I said,
first reading.

2109
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:59,880
There is no presentation.

2110
01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:01,880
Staff is here for questions.

2111
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:03,500
And I'll read the ordinance now.

2112
01:43:03,500 --> 01:43:06,400
An ordinance of the city
of ST Pete Beach, Florida,

2113
01:43:06,400 --> 01:43:10,660
amending city code Appendix
A fee schedule providing

2114
01:43:10,660 --> 01:43:13,500
for amendments to
city wastewater fees

2115
01:43:13,500 --> 01:43:15,760
and wastewater connection fees.

2116
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:18,220
Providing for repeal
of ordinances or parts

2117
01:43:18,220 --> 01:43:20,620
of ordinances in
conflict herewith

2118
01:43:20,620 --> 01:43:23,340
to the extent of such conflict.

2119
01:43:23,340 --> 01:43:25,640
Providing for
codification conflicts,

2120
01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:27,620
severability, correction
of scrivener's

2121
01:43:27,620 --> 01:43:30,200
error, construction,
publication,

2122
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,980
and an effective date.

2123
01:43:32,980 --> 01:43:34,900
Thank you very much.

2124
01:43:34,900 --> 01:43:36,760
I think I heard you say
there's not a staff report.

2125
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:37,560
I think is what I heard.

2126
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,260
Any audience comments.

2127
01:43:40,260 --> 01:43:41,680
Yes Holly Noonan.

2128
01:43:41,680 --> 01:43:55,500


2129
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:57,580
Hello, my name is Holly Noonan.

2130
01:43:57,580 --> 01:44:01,980
I live at 1378 oak forest
Boulevard in Seminole, Florida.

2131
01:44:01,980 --> 01:44:04,580
I'm a student in the public
policy and administration

2132
01:44:04,580 --> 01:44:06,740
program at ST.
Petersburg College,

2133
01:44:06,740 --> 01:44:10,740
and I am here to show my
support for ordinance 2024 2616.

2134
01:44:10,740 --> 01:44:13,260
Balancing the need to generate
more revenue while keeping it

2135
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:15,180
fair for residents is
a persistent challenge

2136
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:16,940
for local governments.

2137
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:19,720
But I believe the proposed
ordinance accomplishes that.

2138
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:22,040
Because the wastewater
fund is an enterprise fund,

2139
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:23,700
it is important
that user fees cover

2140
01:44:23,700 --> 01:44:26,540
operating costs as well as
existing debt and infrastructure

2141
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:27,860
improvements.

2142
01:44:27,860 --> 01:44:29,580
Now, the current rate
structure does not

2143
01:44:29,580 --> 01:44:32,260
bring in enough to fully
cover those obligations.

2144
01:44:32,260 --> 01:44:35,420
This issue is expected to become
more significant over time,

2145
01:44:35,420 --> 01:44:37,920
with rising operating costs,
limited customer growth,

2146
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,140
and necessary capital
improvements increasing

2147
01:44:40,140 --> 01:44:42,340
debt service requirements.

2148
01:44:42,340 --> 01:44:44,680
The wastewater fund's budget
was balanced this year,

2149
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:47,580
but that includes grants
and general fund transfers.

2150
01:44:47,580 --> 01:44:49,180
Continued reliance
on these sources

2151
01:44:49,180 --> 01:44:50,860
could potentially
impact bond ratings

2152
01:44:50,860 --> 01:44:52,870
and actually increase
the cost of borrowing

2153
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:54,510
for future projects.

2154
01:44:54,510 --> 01:44:57,130
I believe it is a responsible
choice to move on this issue,

2155
01:44:57,130 --> 01:44:59,030
because keeping fees
below what is necessary

2156
01:44:59,030 --> 01:45:02,630
now can shift a larger financial
burden onto future residents

2157
01:45:02,630 --> 01:45:03,910
and businesses.

2158
01:45:03,910 --> 01:45:05,630
Improvements to
aging infrastructure

2159
01:45:05,630 --> 01:45:08,550
do not become less
expensive with time.

2160
01:45:08,550 --> 01:45:10,910
Despite the challenges and
increased costs associated

2161
01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:13,270
with being a barrier
island, the proposed sewer

2162
01:45:13,270 --> 01:45:14,870
rates for the first
year are still in line

2163
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:16,390
with surrounding cities.

2164
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:18,270
This suggests that
the initial increase

2165
01:45:18,270 --> 01:45:19,790
is reasonable and
not excessively

2166
01:45:19,790 --> 01:45:22,150
burdensome from for ratepayers.

2167
01:45:22,150 --> 01:45:24,390
The restructure is consistent
with the public finance

2168
01:45:24,390 --> 01:45:26,870
principle of cost
causation, where rates

2169
01:45:26,870 --> 01:45:28,430
reflect the demands
customers place

2170
01:45:28,430 --> 01:45:30,690
on the system using meter size.

2171
01:45:30,690 --> 01:45:33,530
As part of that calculation
is a common utility practice,

2172
01:45:33,530 --> 01:45:35,630
and it creates a more
equitable way to distribute

2173
01:45:35,630 --> 01:45:37,550
costs among users.

2174
01:45:37,550 --> 01:45:39,430
Because small businesses
are an important part

2175
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:42,510
of ST Pete Beach's character
and economic resilience.

2176
01:45:42,510 --> 01:45:45,070
I would urge the city to monitor
and evaluate how the rate

2177
01:45:45,070 --> 01:45:46,510
adjustments affect them.

2178
01:45:46,510 --> 01:45:48,230
This would allow
the city to identify

2179
01:45:48,230 --> 01:45:51,830
any unintended impacts before
future adjustments take place.

2180
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:53,990
Communication will
also be important.

2181
01:45:53,990 --> 01:45:56,870
Best practices include early
outreach using plain language

2182
01:45:56,870 --> 01:45:58,430
through multiple channels.

2183
01:45:58,430 --> 01:46:01,270
This could include mailed
notices or Bill inserts, email

2184
01:46:01,270 --> 01:46:05,430
updates, or a page on the city's
website explaining the new rate

2185
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:07,670
structure and potentially
how businesses

2186
01:46:07,670 --> 01:46:11,030
can go about getting their
meters evaluated and resized.

2187
01:46:11,030 --> 01:46:12,390
I believe this ordinance.

2188
01:46:12,390 --> 01:46:15,170
This ordinance is a fair and
responsible step forward.

2189
01:46:15,170 --> 01:46:16,430
Thank you for your time.

2190
01:46:16,430 --> 01:46:18,670
Thank you.

2191
01:46:18,670 --> 01:46:19,410
Very impressive.

2192
01:46:19,410 --> 01:46:22,270
Thank you very much.

2193
01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:23,970
Other audience comments, please.

2194
01:46:23,970 --> 01:46:25,830
I have no further
audience comments.

2195
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:27,470
Thank you so much.

2196
01:46:27,470 --> 01:46:30,790
That was quite interesting.

2197
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:32,530
And so since we don't
have a staff report,

2198
01:46:32,530 --> 01:46:35,110
we don't have any questions
or comments unless there's

2199
01:46:35,110 --> 01:46:37,030
commissioner comments.

2200
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:38,410
Is there a motion.

2201
01:46:38,410 --> 01:46:43,430
Make the motion to
adopt ordinance 202616.

2202
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:47,090
I'll Second Vice mayor Robinson.

2203
01:46:47,090 --> 01:46:48,600
Yes commissioner.

2204
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,620
Yes, Commissioner.

2205
01:46:49,620 --> 01:46:51,220
Maldonado yes, Commissioner.

2206
01:46:51,220 --> 01:46:52,740
Marriott yes, Mayor.

2207
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:53,740
Tate yes.

2208
01:46:53,740 --> 01:46:55,320
The motion carries.

2209
01:46:55,320 --> 01:46:55,980
OK thank you.

2210
01:46:55,980 --> 01:47:01,220
We're on to ordinance item 5 B,
first reading ordinance 2024 26,

2211
01:47:01,220 --> 01:47:02,960
reclaim water fees.

2212
01:47:02,960 --> 01:47:04,200
City attorney, please.

2213
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:05,700
This is similar.

2214
01:47:05,700 --> 01:47:10,040
No presentation, but staff
is here for questions.

2215
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:12,660
An ordinance of the city
of ST Pete Beach, Florida.

2216
01:47:12,660 --> 01:47:15,480
Amending city code,
Appendix A fee

2217
01:47:15,480 --> 01:47:17,840
schedule providing
for amendments to city

2218
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,020
reclaimed water system fees.

2219
01:47:20,020 --> 01:47:22,480
Providing for repeal
of ordinances or parts

2220
01:47:22,480 --> 01:47:24,360
of ordinances in
conflict herewith

2221
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:26,620
to the extent of such conflict.

2222
01:47:26,620 --> 01:47:28,740
Providing for
codification, conflict,

2223
01:47:28,740 --> 01:47:31,000
severability, correction
of scrivener's

2224
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,420
error, construction,
publication,

2225
01:47:33,420 --> 01:47:35,560
and an effective date.

2226
01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:36,340
OK thank you.

2227
01:47:36,340 --> 01:47:37,780
I understand there's no report.

2228
01:47:37,780 --> 01:47:40,740
So ordinance comments I have no
ordinance comments on this item.

2229
01:47:40,740 --> 01:47:43,940
Any commissioner questions
of the city manager.

2230
01:47:43,940 --> 01:47:45,120
Anybody else.

2231
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:45,620
All right.

2232
01:47:45,620 --> 01:47:46,740
Is there a motion then.

2233
01:47:46,740 --> 01:47:48,480
I'll make a motion
to adopt ordinance

2234
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:53,520
2024 26 reclaimed water fees.

2235
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,360
I'll second.

2236
01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:56,600
Commissioner Causey.

2237
01:47:56,600 --> 01:47:57,620
Yes, Commissioner.

2238
01:47:57,620 --> 01:47:58,700
Maldonado yes.

2239
01:47:58,700 --> 01:47:59,660
Commissioner Marriott.

2240
01:47:59,660 --> 01:48:00,580
Yes vice mayor.

2241
01:48:00,580 --> 01:48:01,820
Robertson yes.

2242
01:48:01,820 --> 01:48:02,840
Mayor Tate.

2243
01:48:02,840 --> 01:48:06,440
Yes The motion carries.

2244
01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:10,380
Next, we're on to
items for discussion.

2245
01:48:10,380 --> 01:48:12,640
And I believe the
only one that I

2246
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:15,240
captured was
mothballs on the beach

2247
01:48:15,240 --> 01:48:16,700
for Commissioner Maldonado.

2248
01:48:16,700 --> 01:48:20,960
Yeah so, first and foremost,
let me just say that everyone is

2249
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,860
innocent until proven guilty.

2250
01:48:22,860 --> 01:48:27,160
I won't get into the
specifics, but the city,

2251
01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:29,760
after or upon hearing
that mothballs

2252
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:33,960
were placed behind some hotels.

2253
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,760
But at a very
strong statement, we

2254
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:39,360
said that there was 0 tolerance,
that we would do everything

2255
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:42,740
within our power to find the
person or persons responsible,

2256
01:48:42,740 --> 01:48:46,200
and that they would
be held accountable.

2257
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:47,060
So my.

2258
01:48:47,060 --> 01:48:49,640


2259
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,960
Not question but necessarily
my input to the commission

2260
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,840
would be that we get ahead
of that we work through

2261
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:59,640
our attorneys with the state
attorney's office, that we

2262
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:02,220
ensure that as victims,
the city being a victim,

2263
01:49:02,220 --> 01:49:05,760
that we present our position
to the state attorney

2264
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:09,840
and that we ask, that we
are considered within that.

2265
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:12,840
I personally would push
for the maximum sentence

2266
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:16,040
if these persons are found
guilty, that they're held

2267
01:49:16,040 --> 01:49:18,400
accountable to the
highest standards,

2268
01:49:18,400 --> 01:49:22,080
and then that we also prepare
sanctions in the event

2269
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:27,480
that the businesses or
the persons are at fault

2270
01:49:27,480 --> 01:49:28,580
or found guilty.

2271
01:49:28,580 --> 01:49:33,960
So in this case, depending on
the severity and the outcome,

2272
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,860
there could be some very,
very stiff sentences.

2273
01:49:36,860 --> 01:49:39,980
And in the city I believe
can take additional steps.

2274
01:49:39,980 --> 01:49:42,400
This would be for the
attorneys to guide us.

2275
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:46,910
But this has separate to do with
the charges that they're facing.

2276
01:49:46,910 --> 01:49:49,490
I do think that as victims,
characterizing the city

2277
01:49:49,490 --> 01:49:52,330
as the victim, that
we're due restitution

2278
01:49:52,330 --> 01:49:54,730
and that we also have
the power in some cases

2279
01:49:54,730 --> 01:49:58,650
to pull licenses,
specifically liquor licenses,

2280
01:49:58,650 --> 01:50:00,150
depending on the
outcome of this.

2281
01:50:00,150 --> 01:50:02,190
And that's where
I stand with this.

2282
01:50:02,190 --> 01:50:06,690
I believe very firmly that if
found guilty, that these persons

2283
01:50:06,690 --> 01:50:10,730
should be held ultimately
responsible to the extent

2284
01:50:10,730 --> 01:50:14,130
that we can and that the city
needs to get ahead of this,

2285
01:50:14,130 --> 01:50:15,330
we can't wait for
the state attorney

2286
01:50:15,330 --> 01:50:19,730
to make some kind of Deal
or not hear our input.

2287
01:50:19,730 --> 01:50:21,150
So I wanted to put
that out there.

2288
01:50:21,150 --> 01:50:24,770
I'm getting a lot of input from
residents who feel passionately

2289
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:28,430
and just as strong about
this as we do as I do,

2290
01:50:28,430 --> 01:50:30,910
I should say not only
my district, but I do.

2291
01:50:30,910 --> 01:50:34,990
Personally I think that there
are things that we can do.

2292
01:50:34,990 --> 01:50:36,770
I know that the state
attorney is working

2293
01:50:36,770 --> 01:50:38,670
diligently to look at this.

2294
01:50:38,670 --> 01:50:40,690
It was a pretty big
case for the FWC.

2295
01:50:40,690 --> 01:50:43,270
I applaud them
for their efforts.

2296
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:45,750
They went above and beyond
to try to find the evidence.

2297
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:49,070
Now it's just a matter of
proving what they suspect.

2298
01:50:49,070 --> 01:50:50,990
So that's what I
wanted to discuss.

2299
01:50:50,990 --> 01:50:51,550
Thank you.

2300
01:50:51,550 --> 01:50:55,130


2301
01:50:55,130 --> 01:50:57,370
And I wonder if
business licenses

2302
01:50:57,370 --> 01:51:00,730
would be fit into that concept.

2303
01:51:00,730 --> 01:51:03,850
Everything's on the table.

2304
01:51:03,850 --> 01:51:08,110
I would agree with you on
holding them to as we've said,

2305
01:51:08,110 --> 01:51:10,710
hold them to the highest
level that we can.

2306
01:51:10,710 --> 01:51:13,530
If that includes
pulling a liquor license

2307
01:51:13,530 --> 01:51:15,250
and anything on the beach.

2308
01:51:15,250 --> 01:51:23,610
We're just so lucky that a small
child didn't eat one of those.

2309
01:51:23,610 --> 01:51:26,190
I just let alone the wildlife.

2310
01:51:26,190 --> 01:51:27,150
That's bad enough.

2311
01:51:27,150 --> 01:51:33,310
But for the rest of the
residents and children,

2312
01:51:33,310 --> 01:51:35,510
wildlife, anything.

2313
01:51:35,510 --> 01:51:39,030
So I agree with you on
that wholeheartedly.

2314
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:41,660


2315
01:51:41,660 --> 01:51:45,620
Is the city involved in
issuing liquor licenses.

2316
01:51:45,620 --> 01:51:47,340
The liquor license
may be something

2317
01:51:47,340 --> 01:51:50,540
that is governed by the
state since the city

2318
01:51:50,540 --> 01:51:52,320
doesn't issue the license.

2319
01:51:52,320 --> 01:51:54,300
It does come from the state.

2320
01:51:54,300 --> 01:51:58,100
The only thing we could do would
be as part of a victim impact

2321
01:51:58,100 --> 01:52:00,800
statement that we present
to the state attorney,

2322
01:52:00,800 --> 01:52:03,260
or that we also
present to the court.

2323
01:52:03,260 --> 01:52:07,060
If there's that opportunity, it
could be something that could

2324
01:52:07,060 --> 01:52:09,340
be mentioned or asked for.

2325
01:52:09,340 --> 01:52:14,860
So otherwise you have to look
at your own licenses and things

2326
01:52:14,860 --> 01:52:19,020
that you bestow
on somebody cabana

2327
01:52:19,020 --> 01:52:20,320
service, whatever that is.

2328
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:21,740
So that would be one.

2329
01:52:21,740 --> 01:52:25,840
Listen I agree, I would love
to hear some legal opinion.

2330
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:30,420
I know that some of the accused
in this situation, at least one

2331
01:52:30,420 --> 01:52:33,040
of the accused is also
in other issues with us.

2332
01:52:33,040 --> 01:52:35,940
So I'm careful how far we
have open dialogues, given

2333
01:52:35,940 --> 01:52:37,920
that there's other open cases.

2334
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:40,340
As I understand IT, legal
cases in these situations.

2335
01:52:40,340 --> 01:52:41,760
Unaffiliated with what.

2336
01:52:41,760 --> 01:52:42,920
With mothballs on the beach.

2337
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:48,180
But that said, as victims,
I think we should make sure

2338
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:50,340
that we understand
what our rights are

2339
01:52:50,340 --> 01:52:54,620
and the full extent that
we could ask of the state's

2340
01:52:54,620 --> 01:52:56,000
attorney, the state's office.

2341
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:59,340
So I would ask that we just
itemize what are our options

2342
01:52:59,340 --> 01:53:01,460
here and what do we
have on the table

2343
01:53:01,460 --> 01:53:04,280
that we could use as
potential grievances,

2344
01:53:04,280 --> 01:53:07,220
if you will, and remedies that
we would recommend to the state

2345
01:53:07,220 --> 01:53:10,780
attorneys in this situation, you
could ask for costs if you had

2346
01:53:10,780 --> 01:53:13,180
any of your staff
involved in the cleanup

2347
01:53:13,180 --> 01:53:17,240
or in the investigation, and
there was a cost to the city,

2348
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:19,080
you can ask for restitution.

2349
01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:22,540
I love it, rather than this
forum, can we ask that we just

2350
01:53:22,540 --> 01:53:26,380
maybe itemize something that
we could just bring back

2351
01:53:26,380 --> 01:53:27,980
and distribute to at
least the commission

2352
01:53:27,980 --> 01:53:29,600
or whoever it needs
to go that says,

2353
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,380
here's our potential
avenues of remediation

2354
01:53:33,380 --> 01:53:34,840
given this situation.

2355
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:36,950
OK yeah.

2356
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:37,610
I love it.

2357
01:53:37,610 --> 01:53:42,590


2358
01:53:42,590 --> 01:53:44,630
Thank you.

2359
01:53:44,630 --> 01:53:46,570
I don't have any other
items for discussion,

2360
01:53:46,570 --> 01:53:52,070
so I think we have
our commission

2361
01:53:52,070 --> 01:53:53,810
reports, our city clerk.

2362
01:53:53,810 --> 01:53:55,150
I'll start with you, please.

2363
01:53:55,150 --> 01:53:56,830
I have nothing to
report this evening.

2364
01:53:56,830 --> 01:53:58,610
OK city manager,
anything to report.

2365
01:53:58,610 --> 01:54:01,090
Nothing to report
MS city attorney.

2366
01:54:01,090 --> 01:54:02,430
Nothing OK.

2367
01:54:02,430 --> 01:54:03,490
Commissioner Maldonado.

2368
01:54:03,490 --> 01:54:06,470
Yeah so, again, to the
folks that attended

2369
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:09,050
our workshop on the budget.

2370
01:54:09,050 --> 01:54:09,810
Well attended.

2371
01:54:09,810 --> 01:54:11,650
Thank you so much to
the staff, the mayor,

2372
01:54:11,650 --> 01:54:13,130
everyone, for setting that up.

2373
01:54:13,130 --> 01:54:19,190
A lot of great dialogue and
certainly some very informative

2374
01:54:19,190 --> 01:54:20,830
answers there.

2375
01:54:20,830 --> 01:54:22,790
Hard questions.

2376
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:26,230
I got an email
just to talk about

2377
01:54:26,230 --> 01:54:28,630
some hurricane recovery
grants for storm related

2378
01:54:28,630 --> 01:54:30,950
expenses or debts.

2379
01:54:30,950 --> 01:54:35,590
Apparently the government gave
Pinellas County $813 million

2380
01:54:35,590 --> 01:54:37,630
worth of grants that are
still out there for folks that

2381
01:54:37,630 --> 01:54:39,610
are still trying to recover.

2382
01:54:39,610 --> 01:54:43,430
So if you haven't received
that, go to recover pinellas.gov

2383
01:54:43,430 --> 01:54:44,990
to get information.

2384
01:54:44,990 --> 01:54:47,450
And this is also for
small businesses.

2385
01:54:47,450 --> 01:54:48,970
So please take
advantage of that.

2386
01:54:48,970 --> 01:54:51,030
The more people
that apply, the more

2387
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:52,670
likelihood that
people in our city

2388
01:54:52,670 --> 01:54:53,850
will get some kind of relief.

2389
01:54:53,850 --> 01:54:56,710
So thank you.

2390
01:54:56,710 --> 01:54:57,910
Thank you sir.

2391
01:54:57,910 --> 01:55:00,030
Commissioner Causey.

2392
01:55:00,030 --> 01:55:03,070
I do have a few items
I wanted to discuss.

2393
01:55:03,070 --> 01:55:08,110
I have received reports
of three damaged seawalls

2394
01:55:08,110 --> 01:55:12,950
in District three, but
I don't really have

2395
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:18,230
a way to see these things, so.

2396
01:55:18,230 --> 01:55:20,690
Is there a process in place.

2397
01:55:20,690 --> 01:55:23,190
I'm wondering where
the city can check

2398
01:55:23,190 --> 01:55:24,850
on the status of the seawall.

2399
01:55:24,850 --> 01:55:29,670
And also, I would say
that a couple of them

2400
01:55:29,670 --> 01:55:33,870
were severe enough to
where there's the soil

2401
01:55:33,870 --> 01:55:37,190
is disappearing into the canal.

2402
01:55:37,190 --> 01:55:42,430
And so I think this is a
notice for the people who

2403
01:55:42,430 --> 01:55:48,230
have these seawalls, but also
for the city to possibly look

2404
01:55:48,230 --> 01:55:49,510
into these.

2405
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:52,170
And I'll move on to Publix.

2406
01:55:52,170 --> 01:55:54,390
I ask a quick just on
that, are you talking

2407
01:55:54,390 --> 01:55:55,970
public or private seawalls?

2408
01:55:55,970 --> 01:55:57,050
Private seawalls.

2409
01:55:57,050 --> 01:55:57,570
Thank you.

2410
01:55:57,570 --> 01:55:59,390
Yeah, that's a
good clarification.

2411
01:55:59,390 --> 01:56:00,950
Private seawalls.

2412
01:56:00,950 --> 01:56:06,790
So for example, were to use
SeeClickFix, I don't really

2413
01:56:06,790 --> 01:56:09,970
know that there's I can't
tell from the street,

2414
01:56:09,970 --> 01:56:11,530
whether this is the case or not.

2415
01:56:11,530 --> 01:56:16,750
So it seems like there
would be a process for this.

2416
01:56:16,750 --> 01:56:19,810
So Publix, I keep getting
questions about Publix.

2417
01:56:19,810 --> 01:56:22,230
And what I feel like this is
one of the biggest problems

2418
01:56:22,230 --> 01:56:23,710
that we have in our city.

2419
01:56:23,710 --> 01:56:25,590
Perceived pain point.

2420
01:56:25,590 --> 01:56:28,870
And I don't feel like we
are keeping everyone up

2421
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:32,080
to date enough on I
almost feel like we

2422
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:37,280
need to have a Publix report
every single commission meeting.

2423
01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:39,900
So I'm sure things don't
change that quickly.

2424
01:56:39,900 --> 01:56:44,120
But this is a big deal for us.

2425
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,880
And so I would ask that
we think about the keeping

2426
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:51,320
the public more notified
about our negotiating

2427
01:56:51,320 --> 01:56:55,440
or the status of Publix.

2428
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:58,440
This week, I wanted to say
that our new community action

2429
01:56:58,440 --> 01:57:02,500
group, the beautification
community action group,

2430
01:57:02,500 --> 01:57:04,740
launched and it
was well attended.

2431
01:57:04,740 --> 01:57:07,920
We had seven residents show
up for the meeting on that

2432
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,360
and the initial meeting.

2433
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:13,680
They're excited about addressing
things from parks to signs

2434
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:19,000
to decorations and helping out
with any kind of beautification

2435
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:23,960
projects, and also mentioned the
idea of forming a nonprofit so

2436
01:57:23,960 --> 01:57:27,100
that if the city is not
going to repair things,

2437
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:29,620
maybe next year due
to budget constraints.

2438
01:57:29,620 --> 01:57:33,160
Well, then we might reach
out and ask for donations.

2439
01:57:33,160 --> 01:57:38,560
So that wanted to let everyone
know that is up and running now.

2440
01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:43,160
This week also.

2441
01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:46,920
Highlight that I am still
doing my neighborhood meetings

2442
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,140
on Mondays and so I'm in.

2443
01:57:49,140 --> 01:57:53,620
I start in the afternoon at the
Don Cesar neighborhood park,

2444
01:57:53,620 --> 01:57:57,640
and then I move up to Bella
vista and finish off in Lido.

2445
01:57:57,640 --> 01:58:02,400
So every Monday afternoon,
basically between 3:30 and 6.

2446
01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:03,820
In those three locations.

2447
01:58:03,820 --> 01:58:05,680
And so I'll have
people show up and

2448
01:58:05,680 --> 01:58:07,240
they have a chance
to ask questions

2449
01:58:07,240 --> 01:58:08,760
and I can talk to them.

2450
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:10,320
Sometimes if you
want to talk to me

2451
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:13,680
you can schedule into
that time slot as well.

2452
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:15,640
That's all I've got.

2453
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,920
Thank you sir Mr. Robinson.

2454
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:22,140
Just a reminder that tomorrow
night is the district two.

2455
01:58:22,140 --> 01:58:23,660
And anybody else
who wants to come.

2456
01:58:23,660 --> 01:58:26,240
If you missed one,
come on to the budget

2457
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:32,250
road show at the library 5:30
to 7:00 PM tomorrow night.

2458
01:58:32,250 --> 01:58:37,590
Also, I do my library hours
typically first Monday,

2459
01:58:37,590 --> 01:58:39,630
but first Monday next month.

2460
01:58:39,630 --> 01:58:42,670
Being Labor Day, it will be
the second Monday of the month,

2461
01:58:42,670 --> 01:58:50,210
so the 14th of September from 5
to 545 at the library as well.

2462
01:58:50,210 --> 01:58:52,530
Thank you, Mr. mayor.

2463
01:58:52,530 --> 01:58:53,490
Thank you.

2464
01:58:53,490 --> 01:58:56,130
I just want to
congratulate the helm

2465
01:58:56,130 --> 01:58:59,810
on reopening in their
new space in District 1.

2466
01:58:59,810 --> 01:59:03,250
I know everybody is super
excited about their bigger space

2467
01:59:03,250 --> 01:59:04,150
and longer hours.

2468
01:59:04,150 --> 01:59:06,950
And so if you haven't been,
go have dinner at the helm.

2469
01:59:06,950 --> 01:59:08,010
It's fantastic.

2470
01:59:08,010 --> 01:59:10,610
Yeah and that's it.

2471
01:59:10,610 --> 01:59:12,930
Thank you.

2472
01:59:12,930 --> 01:59:15,550
Impromptu I would say we have
many, many great restaurants.

2473
01:59:15,550 --> 01:59:16,510
The helm being one of them.

2474
01:59:16,510 --> 01:59:20,050
And congratulations
to the helm family.

2475
01:59:20,050 --> 01:59:23,650
I see a lot of this is
impromptu so I apologize.

2476
01:59:23,650 --> 01:59:28,250
I see a lot of social aspects of
what great things make ST Pete

2477
01:59:28,250 --> 01:59:29,770
Beach wonderful, and
our great restaurants

2478
01:59:29,770 --> 01:59:32,770
and small businesses, not
only shopping in the theater

2479
01:59:32,770 --> 01:59:33,670
and all kind of things.

2480
01:59:33,670 --> 01:59:36,650
So please support our
businesses as you can.

2481
01:59:36,650 --> 01:59:39,210
We love them and
we appreciate them.

2482
01:59:39,210 --> 01:59:42,970
Back on to what I did actually
have on my agenda here.

2483
01:59:42,970 --> 01:59:45,270
Thank you to all the
residents and number,

2484
01:59:45,270 --> 01:59:48,570
and also to the city staff
and my fellow commissioners

2485
01:59:48,570 --> 01:59:51,370
who've been attending
the budget road shows.

2486
01:59:51,370 --> 01:59:54,250
We're now three out of 4 down.

2487
01:59:54,250 --> 01:59:59,610
Very good discussion, very
lively feedback, very good

2488
01:59:59,610 --> 02:00:04,090
responses from our residents
and we sincerely appreciate it.

2489
02:00:04,090 --> 02:00:06,590
I do want to say I've
joined all three.

2490
02:00:06,590 --> 02:00:10,610
I've had a kind of a
preamble, opening statement.

2491
02:00:10,610 --> 02:00:13,983
I am, I say unfortunately
for tomorrow's meeting,

2492
02:00:13,983 --> 02:00:14,950
but not unfortunately for me.

2493
02:00:14,950 --> 02:00:17,250
I'm heading on
PTO tomorrow, so I

2494
02:00:17,250 --> 02:00:19,610
will be out of town
for tomorrow's evening

2495
02:00:19,610 --> 02:00:20,790
tomorrow evening's event.

2496
02:00:20,790 --> 02:00:23,070
So my understanding
city manager's,

2497
02:00:23,070 --> 02:00:26,740
we might be able to have
a video that shows maybe

2498
02:00:26,740 --> 02:00:28,700
a recent recording that
I did kind of promoting

2499
02:00:28,700 --> 02:00:30,120
these road show events.

2500
02:00:30,120 --> 02:00:33,520
Anyways and with apologies that
I won't be able to make it,

2501
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:37,260
but I will be watching intently
the results of not only the road

2502
02:00:37,260 --> 02:00:39,080
show and the notes
that come out of it,

2503
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:44,020
but the survey
results accordingly.

2504
02:00:44,020 --> 02:00:47,180
And with that, I think
that was it for me.

2505
02:00:47,180 --> 02:00:48,140
Thank you.

2506
02:00:48,140 --> 02:00:52,790
There being no further business,
this meeting is adjourned.

2507
02:00:52,790 --> 02:01:23,000