[0:16] Good afternoon. [0:17] My name is Deonte Diggs, [0:18] and I would like to turn the meeting over to the county [0:20] administrator, mister Ashton. [0:21] Thank you, supervisor Diggs. I appreciate that. [0:24] Deputy Clark, would you please call the ball? [0:26] Sure. Miss Allen? Here. Thank you. Mister Diggs? Present. [0:30] Thank you. Mister English? Here. Thank you. [0:32] Miss Evans? Here. Thank you. Miss Guy? [0:35] Here. [0:36] Thank you. Miss Vaneusch? [0:37] Here. [0:38] Thank you. And doctor Young? [0:39] Present. [0:39] Thank you. All present. [0:41] Thank you. [0:42] Right now, supervisor Vinuj will lead us in the invocation, [0:45] and supervisor Guy will lead us in pledge of allegiance. [0:47] I ask that anybody in the audience please stand if you're [0:49] able and join us in both. [0:52] Thank you, county administrator. [0:54] Dear lord, thank you for bringing us all together this evening. [0:58] We ask for your grace, your glory, [1:00] and your guidance as we deliberate the business of our [1:03] community this evening. [1:04] Please continue to watch over all of our community members, [1:07] service members, and first responders. [1:10] In this, your name, we pray. Amen. [1:33] In accordance with the board's bylaws section two point one, [1:37] the first order of business is the election of the chairman. [1:39] Once nominations are complete, [1:41] the board will vote in the order in which nominations are received. [1:44] So right now, I'd like to open the floor for nominations. [1:47] I nominate supervisor Allen. [1:49] I nominate Doctor. Pam Young. [1:53] I nominate Mr. Diggs. [2:04] Any additional nominations? [2:06] Let [2:11] us not do that. [2:13] Seeing that, I will close the nominations and we will [2:16] begin voting on them one by one. [2:23] So first up is supervisor guy nominated [2:28] supervisor Allen. [2:30] So I ask for y'all you're voting to on supervisor Allen [2:34] to be chair. [2:35] Cast your votes yes in the affirmative, [2:37] no in the negative. [2:39] Wait. Hold on. I guess I have to do that. [2:41] Yes. Please. [2:44] We [2:52] have assistance on the way. [2:53] Stand by, please. [3:17] All right, tally the vote, please. [3:26] That is three-four. Motion that motion fails. [3:31] Next, we will move on to the nomination of [3:35] Doctor. Young for Chairman. [3:38] The vote yes in the affirmative, [3:40] no in the negative. [3:41] Please cast your votes. [3:49] Tally the vote. [3:51] That also fails three to four. [3:55] We will move on to the nomination of Supervisor [3:59] Diggs to be Chair. [4:01] Please cast your votes yes in the affirmative, [4:03] no in the negative. [4:08] Tally the votes. [4:11] That passes five-two. [4:13] I congratulate Supervisor Diggs on becoming Chair once again [4:16] and turn the meeting back over to you, sir. [4:20] Thank you. [4:24] All right. [4:25] We're going to now, take nominations for vice chair. [4:29] I nominate Tanisha Allen. [4:31] Okay. [4:32] Please withdraw my nomination. [4:38] Any other numb Nomination withdraw and nominate Pam [4:41] Young. [4:43] All right. [4:44] Any other nominations? [4:47] Alright. Cast your vote. [4:49] Sorry. [5:03] All right. [5:07] Need a new nomination for vice chair. [5:12] Anomating supervisor English. [5:15] No. [5:16] No. No. Okay. [5:21] Nominate supervisor Bhanucha. [5:40] Okay. [5:42] Nominate supervisor Guy. [5:47] Everybody else sitting up. [5:58] Alright, that passes. [6:02] Yes, we're gonna take a ten minute recess. [15:40] Okay. [15:43] Yes. For vice chair. Just hit your green button and see it. [15:47] Alright. [15:49] Alright. Go ahead. [15:53] Good evening, sir. Chairman, can I yes? [15:56] You were back on. Go ahead. [15:58] Sorry. [15:58] Chairman, can I make a motion to reconsider vice chair? [16:02] All right. You have a motion. Do we have a second? [16:05] Second. [16:05] All [16:07] right. [16:08] The motion is second. [16:09] We're going to vote to reconsider the vice chair. [16:15] Cast your votes. [16:34] All right. That motion fails. Okay. [16:36] All [16:41] right. [16:44] Do we have any additions or deletions to the agenda? [16:47] Yes, sir. We do. [16:49] There are two additional BACC applications received over the [16:52] weekend for item number twenty three. [16:54] They have been added to the agenda and those have been [16:56] placed in your closed session folders for consideration. [17:00] All [17:01] right. [17:02] May I have a motion and a second to approve the regular agenda? [17:06] So move. [17:08] Second. [17:09] All right. Castrovos. [17:16] Oh, sorry. Can you reconsider? I'm sorry. [17:18] I pressed the wrong button. [17:19] That's good. It carries. [17:20] It's whatever. [17:21] All right. All right. [17:22] Thank you. [17:26] Yes. [17:29] Alright. Everybody voted? Alright. [17:36] Beneuch? [17:42] Everybody, please cast your vote [17:45] for the approval of the agenda. [17:53] Okay. [17:57] Alright. That passes unanimously. [17:59] The next order of business is to approve the calendar [18:01] establishing the board of supervisors meeting dates for [18:03] twenty twenty six, [18:04] proposed resolution r twenty six dash zero one. [18:19] Sure. Can we discuss? [18:22] Yes. [18:23] We're I think we're gonna have a press [18:25] what are we doing? [18:26] The calendar. [18:26] The calendar is up next. [18:28] She's she's Okay. [18:29] And then after. [18:45] I'm happy to answer questions. [18:47] Donna Krause, Deputy County Administrator, [18:49] in your packet is [18:53] do I lower this? [18:54] This is too tall. [18:57] In your packet is the draft calendar. [19:00] You also have a big chart that looks like this that designates all the dates. [19:05] We also did consider the budget calendar within your calendar as well. [19:09] But I'm happy to answer questions or concerns related [19:13] to any dates. [19:14] Okay, supervisor. [19:22] Yeah. [19:22] I just have a question about the, [19:25] January twenty first joint board and school board meeting. [19:29] Did we I know it says TBD, [19:32] but did we have a time and a location? [19:35] Typically the location is here in ABC [19:40] conference room and the time typically is five to seven. [19:44] Okay. Thank you. [19:52] I'll throw out something just for our consideration. [19:54] We [19:56] don't have to nail down the calendar. [19:58] You know, if people because we have a couple of new board members and [20:01] then just consideration for them coming on board. [20:03] We don't have to nail it down. [20:04] We can defer it until the next meeting if we need to. [20:06] So just remember that. [20:08] But I also kinda wanted to throw out there, [20:10] when we did the inception of the calendar, [20:12] it was really based around the school schedule. [20:14] And now I mean, [20:14] it's been years since the schools have changed to an [20:16] earlier start, but I don't know if any board members are [20:21] thinking about potentially, like, [20:23] instead of having recess July through halfway of August, [20:25] if there would be a preference to move our recess from June [20:28] coming back halfway through July so it mirrors more of the school schedule. [20:32] Again, I could care less one way or the other, [20:35] but just thought that that might be worth a piece of [20:37] consideration just so that parents are off at the same [20:40] time as their children. [20:43] I like that idea. [20:46] I'm sorry. What'd you say? [20:48] It's mid to August. It's not June. [20:50] It's like mid they come mid May till beginning of August. [20:59] Okay. We can come back to that. Defer it? [21:01] We can defer it and come back. I'm sorry. Go ahead. [21:05] Just to Supervisor Vinucha's point, [21:10] just for awareness, that would mean we would potentially lose [21:14] three board meeting dates. [21:15] Is that what you're saying? [21:16] It would be the same amount. [21:17] I'm proposing the same amount of board meeting dates, [21:20] just moving it instead of you'd have, like, [21:23] the first one in June, [21:24] and then it would be off the rest of June and half of July [21:27] and then coming back. [21:28] Same way we do with July. [21:30] First meeting in July and then off until mid August. [21:34] And so we would just pick a date, like, [21:35] later in July to reconvene. [21:37] Okay. [21:38] Just squashing them down a little Yeah, exactly. [21:41] Wanted to make sure we're keeping the same number of dates. [21:45] And I guess I want to defer to my colleagues. [21:48] Do you feel like we need to defer the calendar for more time? [21:52] I mean, would just say that there's a lot of back end things that the [21:56] staff need to do for transparency to the public, [21:59] creating it on the public calendar, [22:02] also in the agenda center, getting it on your calendars. [22:05] We're happy to wait. We have a guide. [22:07] We can, you know, forward with the guide. [22:11] I'll make a motion to accept the calendar as it is. Okay. [22:14] Second. [22:15] All right. Cast your vote. [22:25] Alright. That passes unanimously. [22:29] Alright. Thank you, miss Krausz. [22:31] Next, have presentations by the public. [22:33] Please remain courteous and respectful to members of the [22:35] audience and the board. [22:36] Each speaker is allowed three minutes. [22:37] Speak slowly and clearly into the microphone and begin by [22:40] stating your name and district, if known. [22:42] Please refer to the lights on the podium to monitor your time. [22:44] Green indicates the start of your remarks. [22:46] Yellow indicates that you have one minute to summarize your comments. [22:49] Red lets you know that your time is up. [22:52] The first person is James Bracco. [22:58] And after Mr. Bracco, it'll be Al Watkins next. [23:09] Good evening, members of the board. [23:12] Today I'd like to talk to you about an issue that I am [23:16] personally having, [23:18] but also something that you may be able [23:21] to do so that future residents don't have it. [23:25] Seventeen ten Brook Road, a quiet district. [23:31] I recently purchased another piece of property next to [23:36] a residence that I have down off Brook Road. [23:39] It was a garage. [23:40] The residence I had on it used to be a US post [23:44] service, a post office. [23:46] It was a laundromat. This is going back into the '40s. [23:50] Laundromat, gas station, garage, post office altogether. [23:56] After I purchased it, [23:57] I kept the grandfather zoning for about three years, [23:59] decided that I was never going to open a store there. [24:02] So I let the grandfather zoning go on the store. [24:07] Recently, the garage came available from [24:11] Dieter, and I decided to purchase it being [24:16] in proximity to my office. [24:17] And it was something that I was interested in doing. [24:21] I purchased the garage. [24:23] I came to the county and immediately asked what I [24:27] needed to do to occupy. [24:30] They said I had to apply for an occupancy permit. [24:33] I said, well, what about the grandfather's earning? [24:36] Almost two months went by, nothing for the grandfather. [24:40] I [24:42] went back up, applied for the an occupancy permit, [24:46] and as of today, it still has not been approved. [24:48] The new zoning administrator being from Prince William [24:51] County has no guidance from board on [24:55] what qualifies for a grandfather zoning. [24:58] They said there's no ordinance for it. [25:00] I showed him pictures of it going back, [25:03] garage going back all the way to where y'all had [25:07] it in nineteen eighty three. [25:10] Pictures of the gas station. [25:13] Pictures of the shop on the inside where he used to work on cars. [25:16] Definition of the garage is anything that repairs vehicles [25:19] for the public or restores cars and then sells the cars for money. [25:23] You have to have a you have to have a repair shop thing. [25:27] He had issues with the tie with the address [25:30] being PO Box forty five Brook, Virginia, [25:35] Saint Route six zero eight. [25:37] That was the address back when it was originally done. [25:40] I had receipts going back to all the way to seventy three. [25:43] I had gave him affidavits from people that knew it was a garage. [25:46] I gave him the bills of sales for the garage. Still nothing. [25:51] At this point, I have nowhere to go [25:54] to prove this was a garage to him on it. [25:59] I see I have twelve minutes left. [26:01] So any help that the board could suggest on this, [26:04] I'm willing to share any and all information I have with them. [26:08] I know it's your you're brand new, [26:11] and I hate to drop this on you. [26:12] But anyways, I'm out of time. Thank you all very much. [26:20] You can just hold it. This is right here. After Mr. [26:25] Al Watkins, it's going to be Kristin Maxson. [26:30] Good evening, members of the board. [26:31] Happy New Year, and welcome back, [26:34] and especially a strong welcome, [26:36] Supervisor Evans and Supervisor Guy. Welcome. [26:39] Now you're in the fray. [26:42] Twenty twenty five was a very consequential year. [26:45] This board made some major decisions, [26:47] and I have a feeling that twenty twenty six is going to repeat that. [26:51] As you know, I am a member of the CTAC, [26:54] the FAMPOS Citizens Transportation Advisory [26:58] Committee. [26:59] And thank you for the support that we've received in the past [27:02] from Supervisor Vernook and Supervisor Young and [27:07] also, of course, former Supervisor Bamke, [27:10] who is no longer here. [27:12] I know that there will be at least one new person most [27:15] likely on the CTEC policy board. [27:19] And I would like to offer my services to kind of bring [27:23] things up to speed, [27:24] especially regarding major projects like the river [27:27] crossing, which will be discussed at this coming [27:30] Monday's meeting and also discussed at the CTAC meeting [27:34] that we'll be having tomorrow evening. [27:36] I also understand that there's one candidate or three [27:40] different nominations for a member of CTAC. [27:44] Hopefully that will be decided this evening so that that [27:47] person can attend the meeting tomorrow. [27:49] And I'd like to be able to assist them in getting things up to speed. [27:54] There's still a lot that has to be done regarding the river [27:57] crossing, even though the preferred option was chosen. [28:01] There are a number of things that need to be resolved [28:03] regarding making that opportunity to eliminate [28:08] congestion in our region. [28:10] And that has to be decided going forward this year. [28:14] So again, I look forward to working with whoever is put into place and [28:18] any of the other board members. [28:20] If they should ever have any other questions, [28:22] feel free to reach out. [28:24] Thank you. [28:30] Well, MF King is up after Ms. Maxon. [28:41] Kristen Maxon, [28:46] in the Fowlmont District, January six twenty twenty six, [28:50] board of supervisors. [28:53] Utility company is contacting Stafford residents [28:57] concerning selling water and septic line insurance coverage. [29:02] What if their utility trucks run over [29:05] homeowners' private utility lines not defined as [29:09] easements on their engineered drawings? [29:12] Their practice is described as sloppy by agents. [29:17] December twenty two, twenty twenty six, [29:21] C Day session with no following meeting after that year. [29:25] Is this meeting needed? [29:28] Twenty twenty five has experienced C Day work sessions [29:32] to be not as described, [29:34] rather a meeting for suspending bylaws with expedited [29:38] motions, resolutions and ordinance with no way for the [29:42] public to add comment or review. [29:45] Consideration also should be taken note October [29:50] twenty seventh, twenty twenty six work session prior to [29:54] elections day with no following meeting. [29:57] What is the impact on the Stafford County voters with no voice? [30:02] Page fifteen of five hundred and thirteen three hundred and [30:06] thirteen, January six, twenty twenty five. [30:09] Stafford County Board of Supervisors code of performance [30:13] number two reads made [30:15] a made make [30:17] an effort to be prepared for each meeting related to the office. [30:22] This is questionable for members voted on items with no [30:25] time to review add ons and increase agendas. [30:31] Information creep should be determined as a no for a [30:35] proceeding vote of action, Page twenty two of [30:39] three thirteen. [30:41] R-twenty five-two sixty six called as [30:44] an item sixteen, November six, [30:48] twenty twenty five is defined as [30:50] R25-two sixty seven in agenda listing. [30:55] See Page sixty six of [30:59] three thirteen today, today's agenda. [31:02] That report was not available to the public and lacked [31:05] information, stated the board. [31:08] Minutes resolution numbers were not matching to votes within [31:12] the minutes, adding confusion for the year of year two zero five [31:19] two twenty five in Stafford County. [31:23] Next slide, Page two twenty seven of three hundred and [31:27] thirteen is empty and should read, [31:29] this page is initially left empty. [31:33] And do you think the applications [31:36] should not list more than three BACC [31:40] entries when you read them. [31:43] Thank you. [31:48] Mister MF King? [31:53] It's Will Will MF King. No. [31:58] I'm sorry, ma'am. Are you Will m f King? [32:02] I'm I'm sorry. I can't understand what you're saying. [32:05] Are you Will m f King? [32:08] No. I'm with Eric. [32:09] Okay. Will MF King is up next. Thank you. [32:22] Hey, everybody. [32:25] My name is Will Michael Ferris King, [32:29] and I am a resident of Griffiths Widewater. [32:34] And [32:36] I came here today [32:39] to talk about something that got my brain whirling. [32:44] You know what it was? It was something a wise man once said. [32:48] It was how we treat the most vulnerable [32:54] reflects the character of our community. [32:59] And you know what happened? [33:00] You know, the thing about being human is that we are all vulnerable at [33:04] some point in our lives. [33:05] And one of those cases is when we are injured. [33:09] Now there are many ways in which we can become injured, [33:12] but there is a gentleman who is in Rappahannock Regional Jail right now. [33:17] His name is Lawrence Toler. He was shot in the head by police. [33:21] Who knows why? [33:23] But the point is is that he was shot in the head and now he has brain damage. [33:26] And I'm just gonna read to you a report that was given to, [33:31] well, to jail. [33:33] And this was written by [33:36] a friend of mine that runs the Voices Behind the Walls. [33:40] She says, I am writing with extreme urgency regarding inmate [33:43] Lawrence Toller, [33:44] currently housed at Rappahannock Regional Jail. [33:46] He is exhibiting serious and potentially life threatening [33:49] neurological symptoms that require immediate outside [33:52] medical evaluation. [33:53] Mister Toller has repeatedly requested to be seen by his [33:57] neurologist and has reported the following alarming symptoms, [34:01] a sensation that is inside of his head that is intensely hot. [34:04] Have you ever felt your brain be hot? I haven't. [34:09] Clear fluid leaking from his ear, [34:12] recurrent nosebleeds, and escalating neurological [34:15] distress consistent with a possible emergency condition. [34:18] This was on January fourth. [34:21] They the medical staff reportedly provided two Tylenol [34:24] tablets and a nasal spray and then returned mister Toller to [34:28] his housing pod without further diagnostic testing, imaging, [34:31] or specialist evaluation. [34:34] Now [34:37] inside of all that is a lawsuit, pretty big one. [34:40] Right? [34:41] And maybe that's a Spotsy problem, [34:43] but it's actually also your problem because this [34:47] board determines how much money goes [34:51] into all the different entities in this county to [34:55] include Rappahannock Regional Jail. [34:58] Alright. [34:58] So what I would like for y'all to [35:01] consider is why don't you consider increasing the [35:05] budget that is spent on medical labor? [35:10] Right? Just double it. [35:11] How about that? Because it's already understaffed. [35:14] You can find it in their reports. Okay? [35:18] So just do something about it. Do something. [35:26] Alright, ma'am. You can you can come back up now. Thank you. [35:29] Anybody else on this side of the audience that wishes to [35:31] address the board, please come to the center. [35:35] And you you can come forward. [35:36] State your name and district if known. [35:38] Okay. [35:39] My name is Elizabeth Eric, [35:42] and I'm in the George Washington district. [35:45] And, [35:47] first, I would like to thank the supervisors and [35:51] the planning commission for enacting outstanding [35:55] guidelines and regulations for development of data centers in the county. [36:01] I know the process was long and involved. [36:04] There was a lot of work and a lot of public input, [36:06] and I appreciate that you all did a really good job on that. [36:11] So today, I would like to draw your [36:14] attention to proposed rules and regulations and legislation [36:18] that would preempt or limit the same kind of civic [36:22] involvement with respect to placement or modification of [36:26] cell towers and other wireless infrastructure, [36:30] specifically FCC Docket twenty five-two [36:34] seventy six, notice of proposed rulemaking titled [36:39] Build America Eliminating Barriers to [36:42] Wireless Deployments and House [36:46] Bill two thousand two and eighty nine titled American [36:49] Broadband Deployment Act and Related Bills. [36:53] This is important. [36:57] The National Association of Counties submitted comments to [37:01] the FCC with comprehensive analysis of the effect of these changes. [37:07] NACO wrote about these changes in their article entitled [37:12] FCC considers preemption of local authorities [37:16] and broadband permitting process. [37:20] In other words, the FCC wants to take away your authority to have any say over [37:24] where cell towers are placed. [37:28] Make sense? [37:30] It's important because you guys did a great job with the data centers. [37:34] They don't want you to be allowed to do that with the cell towers. [37:37] They want you to have no say over cell tower placement and modifications. [37:43] The issues are complicated, and I admit I enlisted the help [37:48] of an AI chat GPT to help me understand. [37:51] It looks like I'm going to be out of time soon, [37:55] so I will skip down to [37:59] the FCC is ignoring a legal mandate requiring the [38:02] agency to provide a reasoned explanation [38:06] on why its RF exposure guidelines should remain [38:10] unchanged in the light of scientific [38:13] record, addressing children's exposure [38:16] to long term effects, technological changes like five [38:20] gs and environmental impacts. [38:22] Under this mandate, the FCC cannot treat the issue as [38:26] already settled without without analysis. [38:29] So, basically, I will submit this for the record. [38:33] This is all the documentation that you need to start looking at this. [38:38] Okay? [38:40] Give it to her. [38:42] The clerk. Thank you. [38:52] Hello, ladies and gentlemen of the board. Welcome back. [38:55] Happy New Year. Hope everybody had a great holiday season. [38:58] I'm Jesse Adams from the beautiful wetlands of the [39:00] Akwaia District. [39:02] And I just wanted to honestly it should be pretty quick. [39:05] I I'd like an update, if possible, [39:07] on the beaver swamp off of Potomac Run Road [39:12] that we kinda talked about last time [39:15] that was kinda running dry. [39:18] We had a lot of concerns about that, [39:19] and I just didn't know if if we we've had time to, like, [39:22] look into it at all and and where we might be on that. [39:24] I just wanna make sure it doesn't get dropped. [39:26] I did get a weird email from a citizen this morning [39:31] claiming that there were hoses that had showed up that are now [39:36] somehow doing something into that swamp. [39:38] I haven't had time to go look at it myself to verify that [39:41] claim, and I don't have any, like, photos. [39:43] But I thought it was a it was a weird thing to get an email today. [39:47] But it would just be great if we could get an update and make [39:50] sure that we're we're looking into that further. [39:55] And then the other thing is I just I I volunteered time at [39:58] Widewater State Park, is a gorgeous park. [40:01] And driving out there this weekend to put in a couple days. [40:06] There's a lot of trees getting clear cut [40:10] right off of Brent Point Road. [40:12] And I'm not really sure what's going on there, [40:14] but it was a concerning number of trees. [40:18] And so I haven't built a GIS map about it yet. [40:21] I haven't really had time to dig into it, [40:23] but I'll probably be reaching out, [40:26] especially to Supervisor Allen, [40:29] to kind of dig into what's going on. [40:31] But there are a concerning amount of trees that are being [40:34] removed, which was a little unsettling. [40:38] So I just really appreciate an update on the beaver swamp if we have one. [40:43] And, yeah, thank you for your time. [40:50] If there's anyone else on this side of the audience that [40:53] wishes to address the board, [40:54] please come to the center aisle now. [40:58] Okay. [40:59] Good evening. [41:00] Jeff Fiesl and Rock Hill. [41:03] Just briefly here to welcome you all to the New Year and [41:06] welcome the two new members. [41:09] We've a lot of challenges ahead of us here, obviously. [41:12] And our goal should be [41:16] the things that we'll be remembered for, [41:19] that we'll be judged for, [41:20] and those are how we treat the most vulnerable, [41:25] how we preserve the quality of life of our residents, [41:29] how we care for our environment and what we leave intact for [41:33] future generations. [41:37] As I've been more involved and active here in the community [41:40] in the past few years, I've come to discover, [41:43] much to my delight, [41:45] there's a lot of great people in this county [41:48] and they all want all of those things that I've just mentioned. [41:54] And that gives me hope that we can work together [41:58] collectively [42:01] to advance those ends. [42:03] Personally, I'm willing to do whatever it takes [42:06] to advance that cause. [42:08] So in that regard, [42:10] I look forward to working with each one of you and speaking [42:13] with each one of you in the New Year. [42:15] Thank you. [42:24] Good evening. Howard Rudet, Rock Hill District. [42:26] But I stand here today as someone that volunteered about [42:29] eight hours a day, every day at early voting. [42:32] And I can tell you seventy percent of this county have no [42:35] idea who you are. [42:36] As people would come up to early voting, we'd ask, [42:38] do you want an absentee or do would you like a ballot, sample ballot? [42:41] They said, yes. No. Whether it was red, blue, didn't matter. [42:44] I said, what district are you from? [42:47] Stafford. [42:48] So that's a good start. [42:49] You are in the right county, but which district? [42:51] We had maps there to show people and then why not not sure. [42:55] I live by the elementary school. [42:57] Right? We've narrowed it down some. [42:58] I said, well, there's more than one elementary school. [43:00] Which elementary school? [43:01] Well, the one by the Wawa. [43:04] I said if they said sheets, we might have got a little closer, [43:06] but they said Wawa. [43:08] Then it became door south, east, west division, [43:13] pulling out the phone, [43:14] using the great information that Anna Hash had, [43:16] and people figured out where they voted. [43:18] So that tells me that anytime that you say you've talked to [43:21] your constituents, you've talked to maybe on a good day [43:25] thirty percent of the people, [43:27] and the other seventy percent have no clue. [43:29] This is a fixable problem because guess what? [43:33] If you're voting in this county, [43:35] you're probably getting utility bill. [43:38] You're probably getting a property tax bill as well. [43:41] The data is in and in the registrar's hands. [43:44] Why not on every one of those bills just put, [43:48] you live in the Acquire Magisterial District? [43:52] Your supervisor is Maya Guy. Here's her email address. [43:56] Your school board member is your planning committee. [43:59] This is solvable. [44:01] So when issues come up in Stafford, [44:04] you can hear from all of your constituents, [44:06] and people can go to the polls informed and ready to go. [44:11] The other thing when we both they say, nope. [44:13] I know how I'm voting. I'm walking in. [44:14] And we say, well, you know, [44:15] there's no party designation next to to local down ballot candidates. [44:20] Like, what do you mean? [44:22] I said, well, unless you've done your research, [44:24] you're not gonna know because some of you are very specific [44:26] in how you were gonna vote. [44:28] I would have hoped you would have done your research and [44:30] realized whether you wanted to vote for one party or the [44:33] other, one person or the other, [44:35] based on who they are and what they stand for. [44:38] So there's a big lack of understanding and [44:42] knowledge within the county that is solvable at probably no [44:45] cost, one time coding to put that information on these bills. [44:49] And I think you'll have a more informed public to come up here [44:52] and speak on issues if you do that. [44:53] Thank you all. Have a good evening. [45:04] Rick McGregor, Acquired District, Chairman Diggs, [45:07] members of the Board. [45:08] Happy New Year and welcome new members. [45:11] I have made I have been involved with Stafford history all my life. [45:14] Time has actually made me part of Stafford's history. [45:18] I was president of the Historical Society in the [45:20] nineteen eighties. [45:21] Many of our members were elderly descendants of the [45:23] original colonial families of Stafford. [45:25] Some were from White Oak. [45:27] They knew Stafford history because they lived it just as I have. [45:30] Not one of them claimed to have any knowledge of an Indian [45:33] tribe in Stafford in their lifetimes. [45:35] The original Potawatomi tribe disappeared from the records in [45:38] sixteen sixty six. [45:39] But in twenty ten, [45:40] the general assembly recognized a group of people claiming to [45:43] be the descendants of the original tribe and claiming to [45:47] have abundant records proving it. [45:48] Now people unfamiliar with Stafford's history assume they [45:52] are Indians because the state said so. [45:54] As a result, the Virginia Department of Education and the Secretary of [45:57] the Commonwealth and others are now promoting this group's made [46:00] up undocumented history. [46:02] Schoolchildren across the Commonwealth are being taught [46:05] that a group of white people in Stafford County are a genuine [46:08] Native American tribe. [46:10] The general assembly did not do their due diligence in vetting this group. [46:13] They never saw any records of proof because there are none. [46:17] Trying to get them to address this problem that they created [46:20] reminds me of the emperor's new clothes. [46:22] No one wants to admit there are no clothes or, in this case, [46:25] records supporting this group's legitimacy. [46:29] There are thousands of official, local, state, [46:32] and federal records clearly showing this group to be white, [46:35] but no one wants to consider them. [46:37] For more information, [46:38] search discover stafford dot org patawomek. [46:41] Land grants, cash grants, along with local, state, [46:44] and federal tax dollars have been and are [46:47] being doled out to this group in the belief that they are [46:50] Native Americans. [46:51] A bill sponsored by representatives Vindman and [46:54] Whitman is now pending in congress to give this group of [46:57] white people federal recognition as an Indian tribe. [47:00] This is serious and needs to be addressed. [47:02] Our efforts to inform them have been ignored. [47:05] We thank you again for asking for the records. [47:07] The absence of those records after months of waiting speaks loud and clear. [47:12] There are no records. [47:13] And without them, [47:14] recognition was given under false pretense and should be [47:16] deemed null and void. [47:18] We respectfully ask your help in persuading the general [47:21] assembly to remediate this travesty. [47:24] Thank you. [47:40] Welcome. [47:42] Jerilyn Eby McGregor, Rock Hill District, [47:45] Happy New Year. [47:46] The PITV's federal recognition bill contains [47:50] twenty findings purporting to summarize the group's history. [47:55] Contained therein are fifteen gross errors. [47:59] The goal is to create the illusion that the Patawamics [48:02] have existed continuously in Stafford since the 1600s. [48:06] Please recall that historical records include no mention of [48:10] this tribe after sixteen sixty six. [48:13] Finding ten states, quote, In seventeen eighty nine, [48:17] White Oak Church was established. [48:19] This church, which still stands, [48:21] became a significant space that facilitated the continued [48:25] interaction of members of the Potawomack community who [48:29] attended well into the 1900s and used this regular meeting [48:32] opportunities as venues to pass down and maintain [48:37] tribal knowledge and traditions, [48:38] meet suitable Patawama marriage partners, [48:41] and conduct business in formal and informal ways, unquote. [48:45] Note the wording of the next line. [48:47] Quote, Generations of Patawamaic [48:50] ancestors account for the vast majority of the interments in [48:53] the cemetery, including members with the surnames of Newton, [48:57] Greene, Curtis, Jet, and Mantith, unquote. [49:00] We're led to assume the families mentioned are Indians. [49:04] But where's the proof? [49:06] That's what you asked for last May and never received. [49:10] Using Ancestry, we ran lineages on many of those [49:14] buried at White Oak Church, [49:15] and the vital statistics for every one of them are white [49:19] as far back as those records exist, [49:22] to at least eighteen ten. [49:24] Those same families held elected and appointed positions [49:27] in Stafford government, some going back to the [49:30] 1600s. [49:32] These include judges, sheriffs, tax collectors, [49:35] court commissioners, election officials, and others, [49:38] sixteen pages of them. [49:40] Some were even members of the Falmouth and Fredericksburg [49:43] Masonic lodges. [49:44] People of color weren't allowed to do these things. [49:48] White Oak Church's meticulous records begin in seventeen [49:51] eighty nine and are held by the Baptist Historical Society. [49:54] I've been through every page and have found no mention of [49:58] Indians. White Oak Church was never an Indian church. [50:02] Please work with the General Assembly to revoke the PITV [50:05] state recognition before they become federally recognized [50:10] fake Indians. [50:11] Thank you. [50:15] Anyone else wishing to address the board? All right. [50:17] Seeing none, we're going to bring it back to the board. [50:20] Okay. Next, we're going to have a closed session. [50:23] Will the vice chair, Ms. Guy, read us into closed session? [50:29] Whereas the board desires to hold a closed session for [50:33] one consultation with legal counsel regarding a proposed [50:36] electric transmission line project, [50:39] which is a specific legal matter requiring the provision [50:42] of legal advice by such counsel and two, [50:47] discussion and consideration of specific appointees of the [50:50] board and whereas pursuant to Virginia Code [50:53] 2.2-3711A1 [50:57] and A8, such discussions may occur in closed meeting. [51:02] Do I finish reading that other part? [51:04] Second. [51:06] All right. [51:07] Cast your votes. [51:14] Alright. That passes unanimously. [51:17] We are gonna now be in closed session in the ABC conference room. [52:55] Alright. Welcome back. [52:59] I'm going to read us out of a closed session. [53:09] Mr. Chairman, the time is now nine twenty nine p. [53:11] M, and everyone is present. [53:13] All right. Thank you. [53:37] Whereas the board has, on this, [53:41] the sixth day of January twenty twenty six, [53:44] adjourned into a closed meeting in accordance with a formal [53:47] vote of the board and in accordance with the provisions [53:50] of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act, [53:53] and whereas the Virginia Freedom of Information Act [53:56] provides for certification that such closed meeting was [54:00] conducted in conformity with the law. [54:02] Now therefore be it resolved that the Stafford County Board [54:05] of Supervisors does hereby certify on this, [54:08] the sixth day of January twenty twenty six, [54:12] that to the best of each member's knowledge, one, [54:15] only public business matters lawfully exempted from open [54:18] meeting requirements under the Virginia Freedom of Information [54:21] Act, and two, only such public business matters [54:25] as were identified in the motion by which the closed [54:28] meeting was convened were heard, discussed, [54:30] or considered by the board. [54:33] All right. [54:36] Okay. [54:37] Second. [54:38] Okay. Got a motion and a second. [54:40] Go ahead and cast your vote. [54:47] Alright. That passes unanimously. [54:53] Alright. [54:53] Are there any, next, we're gonna move to the consent agenda. [54:56] Are there any items that the board wishes to pull from consent? [55:01] Alright. [55:02] Can I get them? [55:04] Oh. [55:09] Who's the list? Seven and twelve. Alright. [55:14] Who's pulling? [55:15] Seven and twelve. [55:16] Seven and twelve. [55:17] Alright. Chairman. Alright. Please cast your vote. [55:23] I [55:25] thought Pam did the motion. [55:27] I'll second. [55:28] Okay. Keisha's the second. [55:36] Alright. [55:37] Consent agenda passes with seven. What was the other? [55:41] Twelve. Twelve. Okay. [55:45] Alright. [55:47] Say again? Yep. [55:56] Alright. [55:58] It's gonna be [56:03] county administrator reappointment and appoint to [56:05] agricultural and land conservation committee. [56:15] Mister chairman, would you like some assistance with the motion? [56:17] Yes, please. Thank you. [56:19] So that's gonna be a motion to appoint Jeff Adams to the [56:21] Hartwood seat, dollars ten kavage to the Garrisonville [56:24] seat, and Jesse Adams to the Acquire seat. [56:27] Alright. Can I get a second? [56:28] Second. [56:32] So moved. [56:33] Second. All right. [56:35] Cashier [56:38] vote. [56:41] All right. [56:45] Who didn't vote? Okay. [56:48] Cast your votes. [56:54] I'm trying. Alright. [56:58] That passes unanimously. [56:59] And now for item number twelve, [57:02] that's gonna be county administrator report and [57:05] appointment to staff at Regional Airport. [57:09] Yes, mister chairman. [57:10] The motion here would be to appoint Robin Drake to the [57:13] member at large seat. [57:15] So moved. [57:16] Second. Alright. Cast your vote. [57:24] That passes unanimously. [57:27] Alright. [57:29] Now we're gonna move on to [57:34] jeez. [57:43] It should be next to four appointments. [57:48] Alright. [57:53] So, [57:56] first one is gonna be item number twenty two. [57:58] County administration make appointments for board of [58:00] supervisor seats on regional BACCs. [58:02] Proposed resolution r twenty six zero two, [58:06] appoints to PRTC and recommends appointment to VRE. [58:10] Alright? [58:12] That is going to be [58:15] hold on. [58:16] I [58:18] gotta pull it up here. [58:29] Start at the very top or start the seventh. [58:31] We recommend you starting at the top. [58:34] You will get to that appointment that you just had a [58:36] resolution for at the bottom of the page. [58:37] All right. [58:38] So for regional BACCs, [58:39] the first is going to be Bay Consortium Workforce [58:41] Development. [58:42] And that is going to be me, Chairman Diggs. [58:47] You got to vote on the seat individually? [58:49] Motion and a second, please. [58:51] Motion. [58:52] Second. [58:53] Cast your vote. [58:59] That passes unanimously. [59:01] Next will be Board of Social Services, supervisor English. [59:06] So move. [59:06] Second. [59:08] Cast your vote. [59:11] Alright. [59:14] That passes unanimously. [59:16] Next will be Board of Social I'm sorry. [59:18] Central Rappahannock Regional Library Board. So moved. [59:21] Doctor. Young. Second. [59:27] That passes unanimously. [59:29] Next will be, community police policy and [59:34] management team. [59:35] Supervisor English? [59:37] So moved. [59:38] Second. Alright. [59:44] Next will be EOC liaisons. [59:46] That will be supervisor Evans and supervisor [59:50] Vinuch. So moved. [59:52] Second. [59:57] We'll revote. [1:00:00] Revote, you said? [1:00:01] Yes. There was only five people that actually voted. [1:00:04] So EOC liaisons. [1:00:06] Everybody [1:00:07] No one not voted. [1:00:08] Who didn't vote? [1:00:09] Voted one. [1:00:10] Who [1:00:12] didn't vote? [1:00:13] You're up. Okay. [1:00:17] Alright. [1:00:17] Next is going to be Fampo, and that will be, myself, [1:00:22] Chairman Diggs, Supervisor Vannuch, Doctor. [1:00:26] Young as primaries, and Alternates. [1:00:30] Supervisor [1:00:32] Guy and Supervisor Evans as alternates. [1:00:36] So moved. Second. [1:00:44] Alright. Cash your votes. [1:00:47] Is somebody having issues today? [1:00:49] What? [1:00:50] Oh, okay. [1:00:52] Alright. There we go. Thank you. [1:00:53] If you could just let me know so I don't have to look back. [1:00:57] Next is gonna be Fredericksburg Regional Alliance. [1:01:00] That is gonna be supervisor, [1:01:01] Evans as primary and supervisor Guy as alternate. Cash? [1:01:05] So moved. [1:01:07] Second. [1:01:14] All [1:01:16] right. [1:01:16] That passes unanimously. [1:01:18] Next is going to be the George Washington Regional Commission. [1:01:21] That will be, [1:01:24] myself, Super Chairman Diggs, Supervisor English as primary, [1:01:29] and then alternates is going to be Supervisor Vannuch and [1:01:32] Doctor. Young. [1:01:34] Moved. So moved. [1:01:35] Second. [1:01:41] Okay. [1:01:44] Next is gonna be joint three zero three committee with school board. [1:01:47] It's going to be myself, [1:01:50] Chairman Diggs, and [1:01:53] Supervisor Guy, as well as Doctor. Young. [1:01:57] So moved. [1:01:58] Second. Alternate, Supervisor English. Second. [1:02:08] Oh, Jesus. I hope I can get home. [1:02:11] I've got a good state. [1:02:12] Alright. [1:02:13] Local finance board OPEB is gonna be supervisor Alec. [1:02:18] Motion. Second. [1:02:24] Oops. My fault. Recast the vote. I should've waited. [1:02:30] He's sniffling and all going on over here. [1:02:32] You could get my vitamin C. Not sniffing. [1:02:35] Military installation resilience review policy. [1:02:37] That's gonna be supervisor Allen. [1:02:39] Second. I mean, motion. Second. [1:02:42] We all don't wanna replace tonight. It's okay. [1:02:44] We'll get it together. [1:02:47] Thank you. [1:02:48] Alright. [1:02:49] Next is gonna be Potomac and Rappahannock Transportation [1:02:52] Commission, which is r twenty six zero two. [1:02:55] That will be primary supervisor Evans, [1:02:58] primary supervise or doctor Young, [1:03:01] alternate, supervisor Guy, alternate, [1:03:05] me. [1:03:06] So moved. Second. [1:03:09] VRE primary. [1:03:12] That is gonna be doctor Young. [1:03:15] BRE alternate is going to be supervisor [1:03:18] Guy. [1:03:19] So moved. Second. [1:03:24] Isn't this one we need the resolution for? [1:03:27] Oh, yeah. Okay. It is stated. [1:03:28] Thank you. [1:03:30] Public Safety Memorial Committee is going to be [1:03:33] supervisor Vinuch and supervisor English. [1:03:36] Motion. [1:03:36] Second. [1:03:45] All right. [1:03:48] That passes unanimously. [1:03:52] RAAA Healthy Generations, that's going to be [1:03:56] Supervisor English. [1:03:58] So move for Supervisor English. [1:04:00] Second. [1:04:02] He's aging. [1:04:07] It's his committee. [1:04:11] Thank you. There's a sniff. He's aging. [1:04:14] It's his committee. Alright. [1:04:17] I'm aging. I can't figure out where I'm at tonight. [1:04:19] Rappahannock Regional Jail Authority Board, [1:04:21] that is gonna be supervisor Guy as primary and supervisor Evans [1:04:25] as alternate. [1:04:28] Motion. Second. [1:04:29] Second. [1:04:36] All right. [1:04:37] Rappahannock Regional Solid Waste Management Board, [1:04:40] that is going be supervisor Guy's primary, [1:04:42] super doctor Young as primary, [1:04:45] and supervisor Vannuch as alternate. [1:04:49] Solid waste? [1:04:50] Is that what you said? [1:04:51] The starboard. The landfill. [1:04:54] Motion. [1:04:56] Who did that? [1:04:57] I'll be a second. Second. [1:05:01] Did I skip something or miss something? [1:05:02] No. Solid waste. Okay. [1:05:06] Alright. Rappahannock River Basin Commission. [1:05:11] That will be, supervisor Guy's primary and supervisor [1:05:15] Evans as alternate. [1:05:16] So moved. [1:05:18] Second. [1:05:22] Okay. [1:05:24] And then now be the Rappahannock Youth Services and [1:05:27] Group Home Commission. That will be doctor Young. [1:05:30] Motion. [1:05:31] No. No. No. That was the group home? [1:05:35] No. She said no. [1:05:37] I had too many too many things. [1:05:39] Oh, when did you switch out? I didn't hear you. [1:05:40] Earlier, he did Everybody's answering me. [1:05:43] Yeah. Okay. Alright. I missed that. [1:05:46] Okay. Second. I got it. I got you. So move? [1:05:50] Yeah. Second. [1:05:51] Second. Yeah. Alright. [1:05:55] I'll make it. [1:05:56] Somebody put a good big girl. Thank you. Alright. [1:05:59] Next, we're gonna move on to appointments for boards, [1:06:02] authorities, committees, and commissions. [1:06:05] And I'm just gonna read through this list, [1:06:06] and if I get it wrong, just yell at me. [1:06:10] Alright. [1:06:11] The ADA grievance committee, we will be [1:06:15] placing, [1:06:17] Bruce Bixby, Virginia Clement, Timothy Doyle, [1:06:24] and Exmara [1:06:27] Ciarmada. Yeah. That. [1:06:34] Okay. [1:06:37] Motion to say? [1:06:39] Motion. Can I do them all? Motion to second. [1:06:43] So move. [1:06:44] Second. [1:06:48] All right. Thank you. [1:06:51] That passes unanimously. [1:06:54] Board of Zoning Appeals, [1:06:58] proposed resolution r twenty five dash zero three. [1:07:02] We are appointing Charles Cauzy. [1:07:06] That is [1:07:09] the Griffiths Widewater seat. [1:07:12] That's it? Yes. Motion. Second. [1:07:17] Cash to vote. [1:07:19] Oh, I hit it. [1:07:21] That's alright. [1:07:23] Mistake. [1:07:25] He outside. [1:07:25] He can clear it out. [1:07:26] I can clear it. [1:07:27] Clear it, and then redo. [1:07:28] We can just do it again. Alright? You're fine. [1:07:39] Was me. My bad. Sorry. [1:07:41] Waiting on one? Yeah. [1:07:46] I was like, is he broken? [1:07:48] Yes. He broke. Yeah. [1:07:50] Alright. [1:07:51] So we are on to [1:07:54] Chesapeake Bay Board comprised of wetlands, war members, [1:07:57] and wetlands boards, [1:07:58] three at large seats and three alternate seats. [1:08:02] We have Mary Russ for Hartwood, [1:08:05] Jeff Eastman for Rock Hill, [1:08:07] Victor Elenfield, [1:08:11] Islandfield, alternate seat, and Rachel Riley, alternate seat. [1:08:18] Motion. [1:08:20] Second. [1:08:38] Economic Development Authority, Dave Burton, [1:08:41] George Washington District. [1:08:46] Motion. Second. [1:08:55] Passes unanimously. [1:08:56] Fample Biket, that is going to be Joe Brito, [1:09:00] alternate member seat. [1:09:02] So moved. Second. [1:09:10] Vampo C Tech, that is gonna be Michael Catell for [1:09:14] Falmouth. [1:09:16] Moved. Second. Beat you, Daryl. [1:09:19] That's fine. [1:09:23] Historical Commission, it's going to be Aaron Mastin [1:09:28] for George Washington. [1:09:32] Motion. [1:09:33] Second. [1:09:40] Oh, I'm sorry. I should have waited. My audit my audible. [1:09:45] Cast your vote. [1:09:52] K. [1:09:54] I got lost on my own. [1:09:58] Parks and Recreation Commission. [1:10:00] We have Stephanie DiMarco for Garrisonville seat and [1:10:04] Christopher Reed for Hartwood seat. [1:10:06] Motion. [1:10:07] Second. [1:10:17] Planning Commission. [1:10:19] Oh, thank you. [1:10:22] Planning Commission. [1:10:23] We have Marcus Oates for the Falmouth Sea, [1:10:28] Gregory Goldstein or Goldstein for Garrisonville [1:10:31] seat, Willie Shelton junior for Hartwood seat, [1:10:35] and Maureen Sigman for a quiet seat. [1:10:38] Motion. [1:10:39] Second. [1:10:41] I'm [1:10:43] sorry. [1:10:44] Did I miss something? [1:10:45] Nope. [1:10:46] K. [1:10:47] You're up. [1:10:48] Passes six to one. [1:10:55] Telecommunications Commission, we have Chad Perry [1:10:59] for George Washington's seat, [1:11:01] Steve Herman for Griffiths Widewater's seat, [1:11:03] Kelly Carter for Hartwood's seat. [1:11:07] Motion. [1:11:09] Second. [1:11:18] It's vacant. [1:11:21] Was it Patricia Reagan for a fella? [1:11:23] Oh, wait. Hold on. Brown. [1:11:27] Coming right back to that one. [1:11:30] Back to that. [1:11:31] Utilities [1:11:33] Commission. [1:11:34] We have Floyd Bundabrandt for Garrisonville [1:11:38] seat, Tiffany Epple for Hartwood seat, [1:11:41] William Tigner for Falmouth seat, [1:11:44] Gary Holland for Aquia's seat, [1:11:46] and Albert Bain for George Washington seat. [1:11:48] So moved. Second. [1:11:58] I think you that's it. Right? [1:12:02] Am I missing anything? [1:12:04] Making sure. [1:12:07] Hold on. [1:12:08] Y'all Oh, [1:12:10] I strung my water away. [1:12:12] There you go. Oh, we're done. Is there anything else? [1:12:14] Alright. This meeting is oh, wait, Donna. Where's Donna? [1:12:19] Where's miss Donna? [1:12:20] Let me go get him. Thank you. [1:12:24] Yeah. [1:12:25] That's probably exactly what she's doing. [1:12:47] Sorry. [1:13:02] Yes, sir. [1:13:03] Just wanted to discuss, National Night Out in terms of the calendar. [1:13:07] Yes. So my apologies to the board. [1:13:11] We did not notate that October sixth was National Night Out, [1:13:15] which is a board meeting. [1:13:17] This past year, I believe the board decided to meet [1:13:21] on Thursday of that week. [1:13:24] And so I just wanted to bring that to [1:13:27] your attention if you wanted to amend the calendar because I [1:13:31] know a lot of board members like to participate. [1:13:33] Excuse me. [1:13:35] Okay. Any discussion on that? [1:13:40] Do you need a motion or just you need a motion to move it? [1:13:44] Mr. [1:13:45] Chairman and Supervisor English, [1:13:46] you'll need a motion to reconsider because you've [1:13:48] already decided on that tonight. [1:13:49] So if the board would like to take that up, [1:13:51] need to reconsider your vote on R2601. [1:13:55] Okay. I'll reconsider. Make a motion to reconsider. [1:13:58] Second. [1:13:59] All right. [1:14:00] Cash for votes to reconsider. [1:14:08] Okay. Lading on one. [1:14:11] Everybody cash your vote? Yes? Abstain or no? [1:14:15] No. Okay. [1:14:17] I'll make unanimously. [1:14:18] Before we before we oh, go ahead, Daryl. I'm sorry. [1:14:20] I will make a motion to go ahead and accept the change on [1:14:23] the calendar with the national night out moving to the [1:14:26] Thursday. Okay. [1:14:29] And is there anything else that we're anybody can think of now [1:14:33] that before we I mean, [1:14:34] we can always go back and address it later. [1:14:36] And that's just one that stuck up in my head. Okay. [1:14:39] We have a motion. Do we have a second? [1:14:43] Mr. [1:14:44] Chairman, just to clarify, this is R2601 with the revision [1:14:47] of the October six meeting date to October eight? [1:14:51] Correct. Yes. [1:14:54] Do we have a second? Second. Alright. Cash your vote. [1:15:01] You're up. Thank you. That passes unanimously. [1:15:05] Meeting adjourned. [1:15:07] Sorry. Thank you. Does it hurt you? [1:15:09] Miss Donna or Andrew or Mr. [1:15:13] Ashton, whoever, is it possible that I can