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Everyone, for coming. So, my name is Matt Fonderhade. I'm the Township Administrator and Director of Warden Sewer for the Township. We have a number of very informative folks here tonight. So we'll get into introductions in a little bit.

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I would like to thank the DEAP Montana News and this here from the DEAP. The only way we would be able to do this work is because of the relationship we have with the DEAP, but the funding that they were able to provide so that ram all and

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I felt or could work on this project.

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So to give a little background, the township's been involved

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with the resident staffer, we came up with a resident staffer

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plan a few years ago, and the opportunity came about

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that there were some additional funding.

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So we have a number of projects that we've been trying to make

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the town more resilient.

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And in that process, we said, OK, well, hey,

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this is a real opportunity.

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We've had one of the things that we've

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real commitment to is to try to develop partnerships within the community.

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Pylons are green team, the civic associations, so we have B-Chable Musts of Association

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and I thank you guys for coming, but being able to have those relationships has helped

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to foster a lot of the different projects, the plans, the grants, the capital projects that

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have been done to be able to, you know, try to make the township more resilient.

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So essentially, this is our agenda tonight, we'll do an introduction, we'll go through a project overview, essentially where we've been, and then what the existing conditions are of foresight.

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So if you follow along with the township, we're fortunate enough to obtain a $5 million grant to be able to restore the popular point, which is on foresight property.

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that contract has been awarded.

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The work is going to start this upcoming year.

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So there's a dredging season that we have to operate with

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them with this between July and December.

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Unfortunately with the government shutdown that we went through

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the past couple months, we weren't able to start.

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Exactly when we wanted to start to be able to get that work done

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this year.

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That being said, everything's been awarded and it's all set to go

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for July, so we've been working with the EP on that.

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But we're also, you know, to continue it a look for funding.

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So that's why these plans are important.

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So in that same round, we've put in another grant application

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to continue to do more work with Forsythe.

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And the one thing I mentioned with partners,

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like Forsythe refuge has been an excellent partner.

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You know, the whole goal here is to make win wins.

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This is Forsythe land.

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It's a big manage it and they do an excellent job doing that.

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We're not going to do anything that they're not all bored with doing so, you know, having a good partner like that, but also realizing that, you know, the importance for their mission is to make sure that that area stays preserved and is open to open to the wildlife, what you're going to see here tonight through these plans is a preliminary.

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It's essentially like a rough draft of what the climb falter and railball have come up with through these

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Resamp staffer plans that we've done that would help us go get additional funding that being said that funding has to line up with what four sites is

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Open to do so that includes any of our partners the other thing we're working on right now is a study with the

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pay. There's 500 acres of land that the DEP owns north of Bay Avenue, so the direct opposite

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of where a foresight that is to the north on the map in the mud city section of the township.

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With that, we're doing a study right now to determine the same thing the climb falter is

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only it's more detailed. So the idea with doing these studies is we do the studies when

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opportunities come up whether it's the D.P., whether it's NOAA, whether it's national

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official wildlife. We then have the opportunity because it's not, oh hey, somebody

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had a great idea, let's go do it. No, we plan this, you know, that's why we're here tonight,

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we're doing the workshop to be able to get community input. The idea is, as we've through a

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studying that the township flunted back in 2019 and 2020 and 2021. That's how the township

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was able to obtain township by permits. And with those permits, that allowed us these

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opportunities to then say, okay, hey, D.P. saw us doing that work. Hey, can we work together?

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Four sites saw us doing that work. Hey, is there a coordination of benefits, right? We have

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Lagoon system that has material in it, that's the same material that came out of the

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bar to get bang.

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Can we take that material and then be able to restore environmental areas?

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Well, think about it from a township wide perspective, it's a win-win-win, right?

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So if we can free up the Lagoons, if we can create a better habitat and it helps the refuge

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or it helps the EPA, and we can provide a resiliency measure.

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Well now, God forbid, we get another hurricane sanding, there's a resiliency measure, there's a way to add more area for wildlife.

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So these are areas that I'm talking about that have been eroded over time, so whether it's eroded from sandy or it's eroded through regular tide cycles.

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This is area that if you look on a map five years ago, 10 years ago, 25, 30 years ago, you're going to see that there was area there before.

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So, that this material is that same material, and that's part of the reason why we study it

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because if we can determine that it's, you know, that material and it's a good type of material to be able to use it for restoration, that's what we want to do.

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So, essentially what you see there is we're talking about the Mars restoration, but then it gets into designs and logistics.

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Again, these are preliminary thoughts.

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This is like a draft of, hey, this is a concept that has the potential to be used.

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Again, what it's meant to is kind of like a night-that flame of thinking of, what can we actually get go out and get funded?

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So this is like an initial step of lands that haven't been looked at yet, so that's, you know, just keep that in mind.

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So, introductions, DEP, this doesn't happen without DEP, so thank you, Montana, for, you know,

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and DEP and all their staff for helping us do that.

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Montana has been a real asset coordinating and working with all the folks that you're going

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to hear from tonight, the township, so the mayor and the government body, without them and the

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support of the mayor and government body to say, hey, this is important to make the township

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more resilient to work for ways to work with our partners

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to try to make the community more resilient.

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We definitely want to do that.

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And then, between Kleinfeldt and Ramball,

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they're input from a planning perspective.

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You're going to hear from Simon.

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You're going to hear from Megan Jim tonight.

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They are excellent at what they do.

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That's how we got to this point.

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Do you guys want to just do a quick round?

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The Vinterductions real quick, Sam?

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I only think I really want to add on Simon Cates and with Rambal, I'm that introduced in Meg Kira.

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I just want to also mention that we have some folks joining online via Zoom, some folks from the

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community, and also from our team. So that's Sally Kramer, from Rambal, Julia Lane, from

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Kleinfield, and Brandon Raymond, from Kleinfield as well. We're going to go through the slides

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here and then we'll have a Q&A at the end. We'll take questions here in the room. Folks who have

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joined via Zoom will be able to enter their questions into the chat and so we'll be able to get

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get some discussion dialogue going both here live and also with folks who are joining us online.

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Sure, Simon Cates, I'm a senior project manager at Ram Bowl. I'm an urban planner by

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background, and I focus on flood mitigation and climate-resoling to project. So between my

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college at Ram Bowl and Jim's at Clientfelder, we have been working in this area in

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in Long Beach Island through the Resolving Long Beach Island program, and also, there's our second

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round of work with Matt in Stafford here, focused on resilience to flooding, and we've

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done similar types of projects in other parts of New Jersey, we did some work recently

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in the city of Lamberville, we do work in New York and upstate New York and down into the

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Hi everyone, my name is Mike Kirch. I'm a planner with Rambl and I have background in landscape architecture, environmental planning, focus on climate adaptation, and I'll pass it to Jim.

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Thank you. Jim Halsman, I'm with Kleinfelder. I do have two people.

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At Simon mentioned, Julie Elaine and Brandon Raman, they're on other offices, they're joining

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remotely.

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I work in our Princeton office, Kleinfield, there's a national company.

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The office here in New Jersey focuses primarily on water, wastewater, and stormwater, and

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resiliency.

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That's my background.

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I'm a civil engineer.

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I just came from the public side as a municipal engineer now, I'm back in consulting

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doing resiliency and, yeah, happy to do that.

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And Matt mentioned this governing body, but I want to give a lot of props out the mat.

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He's a big community asset for you guys.

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He knows where all the money is and he knows where to get the money.

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And that's far more than most timeships do.

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So you really are lucky that you have a really good...

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Jim.

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I appreciate it.

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But that's essentially what you're seeing is I'll tell Ray in the back this all the time.

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This is the karate kid moment.

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Right, we're waxing cars and we're paint fences because this is the hard work that goes in to go in to do, you know, going out and to do these things, so like, like I mentioned before between Jim and his staff or client founder and Megan Simon and DEP, we wouldn't be able to do this if we didn't have these folks helping us out, because there's only so much that we can individually do and to be able to take their expertise and put it into this.

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It really is a great partnership with the APA.

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So the objectives of tonight is essentially to do what we try to do on a regular basis.

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We try to do these workshops with the community, essentially to get input from the people that live here.

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But also you can see like we have other organizations in either online on Zoom or in the audience.

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Because one of the things we try to do is connect people.

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and through those connections, get the input because we can't possibly know everything.

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Every one of us in this room.

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And so the input that we receive, we take that and we apply it to the plans and the grants and the budgets that we do.

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You'll see this conceptual design, Simon, Jim and Megan are going to talk about that.

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These are essentially, again, just drafts of what could have potential for areas to look at and do more planning work into the future.

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and then we're going to answer any questions that you may have.

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So Simon mentioned this, we have folks joining us on Zoom tonight, part of the grant

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process is not only do we want the feedback, but part of the grant process is the DP wants

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to see, like, okay, we're getting community output, doing community outreach and getting input

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from the community, and obviously we're here in person.

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So, this is our timeline, the township started, we started this essentially as a part of a bigger project.

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We have a sewer system that's in need of replacement in BTW and in that process the sewer system when I started here in 2019 needed to be replaced.

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It was failing in specific sections and what we did was we came up with what we're doing tonight.

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we came up with a plan and we need to replace us. Well, during that process, that's

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when we started talking with the civic associations and getting input from residents in

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this area of the township. And they said, hey, they, you know, B. Chavin Lusk was

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dredged in the 1950s, 60, 70s. Nobody has really done any drip.

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And in that time, you

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know, to be able to do this when this B. Chavin Lusk Lagoon system was

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dredged. DEP wasn't

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around at that point. So now to be able to

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direct we had to look to say okay well what needs to be

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done to be able to open that up to the community. So we

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worked with the act engineers and with act we came up with

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a township my direct permit that came about through this

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study. As we did that study I said we built try to build

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those connections I had met with Dave Rosenblatt from

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paying and Dave had put us on to working on a resilient staffer's specific plan.

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Long Beach Island had a plan that was approved through a grant process.

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Unfortunately, the former administration did not jump into that process, so Stafford was

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left out.

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Well, the issue with that was, with that being said, the connection between all those

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communities, you have to get through Stafford to be able to get out of harm's way from

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be eye communities. So, and working with the EPA and going through that, they said, well,

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hey, we'll fund a resilient staffed project, and that's where Montana entered, and we worked

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with Ramball and Fine Felder to develop that initial plan back in 23. No, and from that

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plan, in that plan, it identifies multiple things and identifies house raises, and identifies

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the popular point project to restore popular point, which is a part of foresight. It identifies

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areas where roads could be raised. It identifies areas where the sewer system still needs

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to be replaced. You see that reflected in the township's capital plan.

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We're still in the process of replacing the sewer. B-taving wastes a huge area. It's around a little over 3,300 homes. To be able to replace all that sewer, you don't just snap your fingers and do that. So it's a well-faced process. We've been fortunate to get funding through the iBank, which DEP is also a part of through program called principle forgiveness. So every year for the last few, last four years, we've received on average around 2 million dollars to help fund that sewer.

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replacement. But the idea is, as well, to be able to raise the home, she got to replace the

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infrastructure that's in the ground, and in the process every year except for the COVID year and

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this past year, because it hasn't been available, we've been putting in for flood mitigation

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assistance grants. What those grants do are help people that are considered severely repetitive

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loss SRL or repetitive loss RRL raised their homes. So we've been successful in getting

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three of those grants. And we will continue once the thought process is those FMA

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implementation assistance grants will open up in 2026. Unfortunately, that process was an

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open this year. So we weren't able to do what we would typically do all the

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prior years. The idea of those ties back to this resilience staffer plan is if we fix the

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infrastructure, if we help to be good stewards of the land and work with our partners,

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like four sites like DEP, we can not only maintain but make the environment better through

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the sewer process. We're the only municipality that the DEP woulder quality division tells

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me. In the last, now it's 23 years, it'll be 24 years in about a year that it's cleaned up

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a major water body. From the sewer work that we've done, we've cleaned up 186 acres, which is

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the Barnaby, the Manohawk and Bay section of Barnaby, from the sewer work that's been done.

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If you look on a map for what are quality division, if you look to the north of Stachford,

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you'll look to the south of Stachford, you'll see there's issues with the, there's

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vehicle matter in those waters.

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So we've sort of a test case, right, to show, like, hey, this is what a municipality should

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look to do, right?

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If you look to maintain that infrastructure, we're not putting in, you know, what was previously

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done.

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Not only that, but we're maintaining the system.

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So, it's maintaining the system, but it's also saving the township money.

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There's something in the water and sewer world called I and I,

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it's when you get inundation into the system.

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Well, that's money that the residents of Stafford Township,

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because the system was old, it's from the 50, 60s and 70s,

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when the slogan was built, that we were paying to the OCUA,

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the regional sewer authority, that we shouldn't have been paying.

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That's roughly every year, in the last three years,

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because that's when we've seen the benefit of this,

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We've saved about a couple of hundred thousand dollars a year just in those feeds so like take that over a system that's meant to last

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50 to 60 to 75 years

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This is a dynamic environment because it's a solid environment

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but with the materials that we're replacing it with we did a minimum we should see 50 years from the

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That being said the the next thing on there is where the lagoon dredging's at so it's you see there. It says 26

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The government body just approved a couple of meetings to go the contract, which would be the popular point for

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rent.

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We're hopeful we're not going to have Montana put the good word in force like Santa Claus.

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We put in a $5 million additional grant to try to do the back end portion of the popular

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point, which is a permit that we worked on with with foresight, like we've been partners.

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We don't want to do anything that they don't want to do.

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But at the same time, if we can work together as partners or restore the wildlife, why wouldn't it?

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So we're, you know, we're keeping our fingers crossed on that.

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And that's what we will see in 26.

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Next thing is the settlement sampling.

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So as a part of that Lagoon study that was done back in 2019, 2020, 2021, we added new sampling.

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The idea behind this is, well, we don't want to put material that has any contamination or, you know,

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You want to use good soil essentially to be able to rebuild the marks, right?

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We're not going to rebuild the marks with areas that need to be excavated.

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The perfect example of this is we were able to obtain a grant through ARPA funds.

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American Rescue Plan funds, where we dredged, which was also part of a resilience effort,

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a section of the township, where the stormwater from Route 72, which was owned by the

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We use those funds, and that material was not placed on any foresight refuge.

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It was taken out of the system, unfortunately, because of a stormwater.

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You can imagine that area having chemicals in it that essentially you wouldn't want to replace on a revenue.

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So that's why this sentiment sampling was important.

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That was a part of the initial study.

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We also needed that because to be able to get touch-up by permits.

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We needed Army Corps of Engineers and the DEP to say like, hey, the material that you're using is not contaminated to be able to be placed.

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So, what the resilient New Jersey program is.

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I honestly can't tell you how thankful we are working with DEP.

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The other thing that DEP is done is on their websites.

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essentially the funding for this particular program is, you know, dwindling down. So municipalities

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that are all, you know, either barrel islands or coastal towns or Bayfront towns, they've

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set up templates. So essentially, you know, we got the benefit of having a Simon, having a

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Megan, having a Jim, having a long time to be partners at the table to do it. But essentially,

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that means that, you know, another municipality, they're a administrator. They're engineers,

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their planners, they could sit down and use these templates to come up and start to do it on their own.

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That's what I take the, you know, they've essentially written the playbook, you know, we're in football season.

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So it's like, okay, we gave you all the plays, you know, hey, you're going to have to tweak them for your municipality,

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but you have the playbook for how to go do this and that's what they've done.

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So municipal assistance grant, what we're looking for is, you know, the goal essentially is,

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as well, we have a problem, right?

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Usually in local government, we call them looking problems.

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It's not an easy problem to figure out.

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So we have, what are ways that are in need of driving?

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Okay, well, you know, think of all the problems to come up.

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You've got, you know, how do we fund it, right?

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Hey, how do we, how do we take that material

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and use it responsibly, right?

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If it's contaminated, well, it's got to be taken to a certain site.

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If it's not, hey, can we use it to restore March?

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Can we use it to restore, you know, enhanced the ecosystem?

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And in the process, pay if we can do it to make the touch of more resilient in the process.

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Why wouldn't you do that?

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Like, hey, this is an opportunity not only to restore what we see on a day-to-day basis,

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but hey, how do we make it so that this area is going to continue to be here into the future?

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Right?

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And if we look at the studies and, you know, Jim,

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Be compromised with sea level rise. Okay, what are we doing to make sure that the tout chip is here going into the future?

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The other thing is erosion control.

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Just today, I was out with one of our members from the Civic Association, working with Rowan University.

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They're doing samples of dredge material for a study. Again, more planning work, right?

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planning work is not fun. It's not something to go. It's like doing homework as a kid.

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It's not the A that you come home with. It's the work you got to go out and do to be able

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to show like hey, this can work. So, you know, today we're standing out in the coach, Joe and

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I are standing out in the cold, you know, seeing soil samples being taken. But we're on an edge

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where we also got a 1.3 million dollar grant to be able to control for erosion in our

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effort that we were able to get congressional funding for.

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That's part of what these great folks are doing for us as identifying these opportunities.

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So existing conditions.

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There you go, Megan.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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So I'm going to talk a little bit about where this project is and a couple more.

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A little more background for you all.

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So this project focuses on the portion of the four-site wildlife refuge in Stafford Township in the back base,

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and it is comprised of over 1,700 acres of coastal wetlands.

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Just to the south east, south west of B.J. West and west of Popular Point,

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and it's the site is owned and managed by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

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This site is part of a greater system, so foresight is roughly 47,000 acres along the back

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base across 50 miles of and through three counties and majorities with pretty incredible

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system you have here in your state. It consists of salt marshes, coastal, unspoiled

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their beaches and some transition in upland areas. It was originally established as a

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two separate refugees.

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Barnagate in 1967 and Brigheting in 1939 and then it was combined in

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for and renamed after a conservationist, Congressmen for New Jersey, Edward B. Forza.

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And as I mentioned, it's owned and managed by US Fish and Wildlife. So, these partnerships

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are really important, as we think about this work, and go forward. I also want to mention

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that it lies within the indigenous lands of the Lenape, Lenape, who enjoyed seafood and

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land before Europeans and others will thrive.

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And now we can see some of the shoreline changes over time.

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Thank you.

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So now we can take a look at 1930 to 2020 entry from New Jersey

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machine pool, and you can see some changes, some pretty clear changes here.

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I think you haven't told us about

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it, but you can see that.

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You can see a lot of development has happened over here in BChain West.

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And let me just flip back real quick.

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And then here on the shoreline change, we've seen some erosion from storms and ongoing sea level rise,

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Here on popular point,

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oyster point and drum point.

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So these are areas that we have focused on for this front.

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So you may ask kind of like, what is the salt marsh?

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You're probably already know because it's in your backyard.

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But there are six important sections of a salt marsh that vary in relation to each other

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how they interact with water and how frequently they're inundated by tides. So you have

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the subtitle zone that's submerged all the time and then you have the title mudflat which is

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flooded at high tide but mostly submerged or mostly but not sorry flooded at high tide but

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is a mud flat at low tide, then you have low, sorry, low marsh, which is flooded at high

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tide, and then high marsh, which is only reached when you have salt spray or very high

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tides.

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And then there's the border, you have a traditional area where there's storm surge

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and where water only comes, there's storm surge, then you have the upland area. So the marsh

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here in Stafford Township follows this pattern as well and also I'd like to mention that there

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are salt pains and mosquito ditches in the marsh which are areas moderate tidal that deal moderate

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tidal ranges and that can have effective creating subtitle habitat in high marsh areas and

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might ask ourselves why we want to focus on marsh restoration and Matt brought up a lot of good points

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But coastal marshes, or wetlands,

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perform so many important functions for our environments,

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and our neighboring communities,

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and not only do they filter water, they protect from flooding,

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and they provide habitat.

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So it's really important to restore them.

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And what we're doing here is if salt marshes

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converted to mud flat, like that will limit its benefits

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for plants, animals, us, and it can have in two ways gradually due to sea level rise

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for due to human activities, such as in the sea level.

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And then I want to mention some incredible endangered but threatened and endangered

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but incredible species that are scarring around in the pipe enclosure, the red knot

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and the eastern black rail.

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And fourth site is really important

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because it's part of the Atlantic Flyway.

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So Mark Forty-Birds common go

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and stop hearing your back.

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Parts of the ecosystem and should be protected.

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And then finally, I want to just bring up our team looked at some similar and successful March Restoration

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projects, shooting Island, New Jersey and Ring Island, New Jersey. And it's important for us to

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look into projects that were successful and learn from them and see how we can bring them to

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This project is well-so shooting island over the past 40 years.

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The island scene historic and significant erosion due to wind and wave action.

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And to mitigate these forces, the original forces, the shoreline restoration project here,

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added a rock silk breakwater that would both protect and provide invertebrate habitat,

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as well as a shoreline edge that would protect the marsh behind it.

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And then over here on the Green Island,

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we have another salt marsh restoration project in New Jersey funded by National Fish and Wildlife.

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And it the goal was to restore the salt marsh and to help with beneficial reuse as well.

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So, these are two projects that we look to detail for our content.

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Thank you, Meg.

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And thanks, Matt, again, for having us here.

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I'm going to talk through some of the ideas that our team came up with for the conceptual design.

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I want to start by matching a couple of quick points here, which are that number one.

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Our team, we're multi-disciplinary, we have civil engineers, landscape architects, ecologists,

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low lead planners like myself, but it's a very broad team, and we had a lot of folks

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coming up with ideas working with Matt and his team at the township and their engineer as

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well.

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And having said all of that, I want to reiterate something that Matt pointed out at the top,

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which is that this is just a starting point, this is not detailed design, this is a

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the conceptual design study that helps move the ball forward and helps ideally secure some additional funds

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that you need in order to do that detail design phase. So, when you start doing things like flood modeling

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and really putting pen to paper, things are probably going to change, but there are some strong ideas here that are a good starting point.

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The other thing I want to highlight is that the Lagoon study in the Dredging Project and the idea of restoring the marsh here are so important to each other, right?

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They're supportive, they're synergistic, they're two different projects that are really critical for each other.

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Without a sort of marsh restoration project here,

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what are you going to do with all that dredge material?

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It's got to go to a landfill.

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It's going to cost the township a lot of money.

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Without the Lagoon dredging project,

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how are you going to restore the marsh?

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You've got to find a place to get all this material from.

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So it's a great opportunity that the township has

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that these two projects are aligned,

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spatially and also in terms of the time where they're happening.

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There's four components that we came up with here in terms of the sort of physical design.

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The logistics are also critical, and Jim is going to talk about that in a few moments.

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In terms of the sort of spatial components, there's filling the mosquito ditches,

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which Meg talked about restoring pireal connectivity, thin layer placement of that regent material,

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and creating a March sale at the edge to prevent erosion and mitigate the way of action.

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So I'm going to go through each of these, one by one, starting with the mosquito ditches and the idea here is we have these measures that we're sort of put into place over the course of decades that interrupted the title connectivity, they were intended to promote habitat and concentrate mosquitoes in different parts of the marsh.

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It's these sort of parallel lines that you see in all these sort of newer or sort of modern or sort of impacted marsh landscapes.

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We want to fill these in in order to again restore that title connectivity or contribute to that.

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Don't talk about it in a moment, but also provide provide more habitats.

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So on the sort of left side of the screen,

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you see one of these mosquito ditches that has a depth to it, right?

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There's water flowing through there, and that means

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that there is the soil coming up toward the surface,

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providing a place for native vegetation and habitat.

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So bringing these mosquito ditches back

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to a more natural condition will provide more habitat

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support sedimentation.

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So we're trying to reduce some of that erosion

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that happens over time and contributing to a healthier

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market of the time.

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So the feeling that mosquito stitches is the first piece here.

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The second one is restoring the title connectivity.

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So if you look at the sort of area that's kind of underlaying here,

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where you can see all of these sort of squiggly lines, right?

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That's a part of the marsh here that is healthier.

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It's been less impacted over time by human development and changes to the marsh.

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And those runnels, those, those, those, those, those, those, those almost creeps that are

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cutting through the marsh, are, are that natural tidal connectivity that you see in, in a marshland

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that hasn't been impacted or, or is, or is healthier, and, and, and that's what we want

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instead of the mosquito ditches.

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We want these more sort of natural, natural habitats that are still still allowing the, the sort

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to hide the command and bring that flow of water, but they're also bringing sediment that's contributing

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to the sustainability of the marsh.

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So restoring the tidal conductivity is about enhancing these runals or these sort of creeks

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almost that are cutting through the marsh.

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So that's restoring this hydraulic function, this exchange of water between the bay and the

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It's improving that high-marish habitat and promoting that equation.

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So in other words, the marsh, when it erodes, there are sort of two things that are happening

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that are causing it to degrade over time.

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It's that sediment leaving the marsh and it's also, it's not keeping pace with sea level rise.

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So by restoring this title connectivity with these runnels that are cutting through the marsh,

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You're also providing a way for this natural flow between the bay and the marsh to bring sediment in, right, and help too.

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And help to sort of build up that march over time, even as even as sea level continues to rise.

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The third component here is thin layer placement. By the way, each of these have an aspect

421
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:53,200
of sort of trading with the sediment transport from dredging the lagoon and bringing that

422
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,580
material over, over to the marsh.

423
00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:59,080
And thin layer placement is directly about that, right?

424
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,260
thin layer placement of what?

425
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,980
It's beneficial reuse of dredge material.

426
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:07,840
And so what's happening is that that dredging action

427
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,140
from the lagoon is bringing that dredge material,

428
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:12,340
which has been tested.

429
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:13,220
It's not toxic.

430
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:14,980
It's healthy for the marsh.

431
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:16,800
There's different types of dredge material,

432
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,700
finer grain or coarse grain.

433
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:25,900
But it's applying a thin layer of that direct material to the marsh to build it up.

434
00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:34,220
And what's important here is that you can't just dump multiple feet of direct material on top of the marsh.

435
00:38:34,500 --> 00:38:36,860
It'll sort of drown the habitat underneath.

436
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,540
And so this has to happen incrementally.

437
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,540
It's in inches, it's not in feet.

438
00:38:42,940 --> 00:38:46,980
And what that means is that it's not like all of a sudden your marsh is a storm surge barrier.

439
00:38:46,980 --> 00:38:52,420
right? It's not what it's doing. It could happen incrementally, right? There could be a layer that's applied

440
00:38:52,420 --> 00:38:57,120
at one period of time and then another layer at another period of time in the future.

441
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,460
But it's incremental, thin, thin being the operative word and thin layer placement, right?

442
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:15,340
However, having said that, the marsh keeping pace with sea level rise is also part of a piece of the

443
00:39:15,340 --> 00:39:19,360
flood mitigation and protection for the township, right?

444
00:39:19,740 --> 00:39:22,780
You think about that sort of southwestern portion of B.

445
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:27,540
Chavin West, which gets, which takes the brunt of a, you know, way

446
00:39:27,540 --> 00:39:31,900
of action from, from a northeastern that's coming in from, from the south,

447
00:39:32,980 --> 00:39:33,740
south-east, right?

448
00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:38,780
And I'm going to talk about the, the Marseille in a moment, which is a piece

449
00:39:38,780 --> 00:39:39,560
of this.

450
00:39:39,860 --> 00:39:43,620
But the Marseille itself and having that Marseille, a creed over time and

451
00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:50,660
up over time is like a long, a long way of attenuation, right? So over this long distance from

452
00:39:50,660 --> 00:39:55,720
the Bay all the way, all the way to the southern portion of B.J. in West, you have this

453
00:39:55,720 --> 00:40:01,080
feature that is tamping down waves. It's not a floodball, right? It's not doing that,

454
00:40:01,140 --> 00:40:04,540
but it's helping to mitigate those waves over that long stretch,

455
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,920
right? And so increasing

456
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:15,460
the elevation of the marsh through within layer placement. It's building up, it's a great

457
00:40:15,980 --> 00:40:20,820
beneficial use of locally dredge material. As I said, it's a place to put that dredge

458
00:40:20,820 --> 00:40:25,820
material, so you don't have to pay to put it in a landfill somewhere. And it's helping

459
00:40:25,820 --> 00:40:31,700
to support habitat and ecosystem restoration of the marsh as it gets built up of the time.

460
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:38,520
And the final portion that I'm going to talk about is restoration or creation of this

461
00:40:39,260 --> 00:40:45,780
So Meg talked about how the edge of that marsh has eroded over time, not a ton, right?

462
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:52,460
It's not like the marsh has retreated so far from the bay, but it's retreated somewhat.

463
00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:55,160
And we want to sort of strengthen that edge.

464
00:40:55,300 --> 00:40:57,800
We build it back out to the 1977 tide line.

465
00:40:58,300 --> 00:41:06,240
And also be mindful that we can look to the past, you know, the erosion that's happened isn't dramatic yet.

466
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:12,580
We also want to be mindful of what we expect to happen in the future as as the sea level continues to rise.

467
00:41:12,740 --> 00:41:15,680
It makes sure that that doesn't continue to drown.

468
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:17,700
Drown the margin or road that edge.

469
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,580
So the marxill is helping to accomplish that.

470
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:31,120
I'm going to show a little bit more detail about these two alternatives or two examples of marxill measures on the next slide.

471
00:41:31,420 --> 00:41:33,840
But I want to point out here first what they are.

472
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:40,320
You can see along the edge of the marsh there's some areas where there's a red line

473
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,280
and other areas where there's a yellow line.

474
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:52,340
The marsh still that's in red is we're calling that configuration one.

475
00:41:52,520 --> 00:42:00,320
That's for areas that are more exposed to wave action and they need a sort of heavier or a stronger seal structure in place.

476
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:06,720
The areas where there's yellow are less exposed to wave action, and they can be softer,

477
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,060
they can be a bit more of a nature-based solution.

478
00:42:09,240 --> 00:42:12,860
Both have components of nature-based solutions, but that's the difference between the two,

479
00:42:13,220 --> 00:42:15,700
is the one that really needs a little bit more armor and protection,

480
00:42:15,820 --> 00:42:17,440
so that it can remain in place.

481
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,060
And here's a bit about what these two examples look like.

482
00:42:24,060 --> 00:42:29,300
The one on the top is for higher wave energy, and you can see on the sort of top left

483
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:43,200
the screen that trapezoid is that is meant to hold that edge in place and allow for sediment

484
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:47,820
to build up behind it so that it can remain in place.

485
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,640
You can see on the right side of the diagram, this top diagram, all of these acronyms,

486
00:42:54,620 --> 00:43:02,600
mhw mean higher high water and lw mean lower low water that's sort of like your high tide in your low tide right and you can see that

487
00:43:03,580 --> 00:43:06,240
that's still that edge of of this of this

488
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:10,020
Marsill is above

489
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:16,380
Low tide and below high tide so it'll be exposed during part of the you know part of the tide cycle

490
00:43:16,380 --> 00:43:20,720
And it'll be it'll be hidden under the under the sort of high tide during part of the tide cycle

491
00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:24,340
So that's that low marsh cycle that Meg was talking about.

492
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:28,640
The example on the bottom, this configuration 2 for lower wave energy,

493
00:43:29,700 --> 00:43:32,340
you can see you can almost barely see it on the screen here,

494
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,580
but there's a very tiny sill on the edge.

495
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,980
And it doesn't need to be as robust or as armored,

496
00:43:39,540 --> 00:43:42,340
because these are parts of the marsh that are not exposed to that wave energy.

497
00:43:42,540 --> 00:43:46,580
So this is where there's an opportunity to use the softer solution.

498
00:43:46,580 --> 00:43:50,800
And it's still going to collect sediment behind it,

499
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,500
and still going to build up that seal of that low marsh.

500
00:43:54,020 --> 00:43:55,620
So it keeps that edge in place,

501
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:57,640
and you don't have to worry as much about that

502
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,300
erosion over time.

503
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,340
Both of these examples also have some height to them.

504
00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:05,780
And you can see that, especially in the diagram at the top,

505
00:44:06,020 --> 00:44:07,540
and the right side of that diagram,

506
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:12,860
it's getting up to about three or four feet above sea level.

507
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,520
And what is that doing?

508
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,200
Again, this is not a flood wall, right?

509
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:22,680
This is not preventing water from getting all the way into the top of the marsh or even to

510
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:23,460
be chipping west.

511
00:44:24,340 --> 00:44:27,600
The reason for that is that you want that tidal connectivity for a healthy marsh, right?

512
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,220
You don't want to block the water from getting in at all.

513
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,160
It's really about wave action, right?

514
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,260
It's about those larger storms, they're going to hit that sort of almost-dune structure of

515
00:44:37,260 --> 00:44:41,700
the sill and it's going to tamp down those waves so that they're not going to run as far up

516
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:41,940
upland.

517
00:44:42,420 --> 00:44:45,380
And when they do, they're not going to have as much energy that's going to cause

518
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:52,100
So that's, those are some of the key functions of the Mars still here.

519
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,260
And with that, I'm going to turn it to Jim to talk through the logistics here.

520
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:32,940
Thank you, Simon. So I do want to talk a little bit about the logistics. So the logistics is really going to be the how are we going to do this? And let me just re-emphasize where in a very conceptual design here. So like what you're going to see is not necessarily how this will play out, but I just want to emphasize that this is a very important part of the design. Once you've seen a conceptual design, but what we also will have to do is to, all of those components that Simon just explained, we're going to have to

521
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:38,180
figure out how that's going to be done in the most efficient and cost effective manner.

522
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:42,540
We're also going to have to figure out when it's going to be done, not just in the calendar

523
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:49,940
year, because we will have to deal with permitting restrictions because of habitat, because of fish,

524
00:45:51,560 --> 00:46:00,720
cycling, or the fisheries, obviously recreational season. So how we exactly do that in which sequence

525
00:46:00,720 --> 00:46:06,200
become very important. So we really want to, we will have to spend a lot of time in the design

526
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:14,620
actually figuring out the construction sequence, the permitting, what's really nice in this project,

527
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:21,120
is Matt has a dredging permit for probably more sediment than we could ever really need. He's going to

528
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:27,240
use part of it in the next year's popular point project, but really it presents an opportunity for us to then

529
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:31,940
figure out how do we get that source material to the march?

530
00:46:32,900 --> 00:46:36,000
And I want to emphasize, again, this is really a beneficial reuse.

531
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,520
And that's really important because when you're just

532
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,580
dredging a waterways for navigation or for recreation,

533
00:46:44,460 --> 00:46:46,520
you have a lot of sediment to dispose of.

534
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:50,380
I mean, we're talking 10,000, if not hundreds of thousands of cubic

535
00:46:50,380 --> 00:47:02,020
here. Previous practices we've put those in confined disposal CDF's confined disposal facility.

536
00:47:02,900 --> 00:47:11,320
But here we can use that for beneficial reuse to rest restored in this case of the march.

537
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:17,880
So there's really, conceptually, what we're looking at is probably doing hydraulic

538
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,980
I think that's what's going to be part of the popular point project next year.

539
00:47:22,660 --> 00:47:27,000
You can also do mechanical judging, but for an area that we're talking about in and around

540
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,960
the lagoon in the bay, hydraulic judging really becomes the preferred option because

541
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:36,020
you can pump it into various parts of the march.

542
00:47:36,220 --> 00:47:39,600
This march has a fairly large footprint.

543
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,900
There's interior portions of the march where if we were to do this mechanically we'd have

544
00:47:43,900 --> 00:47:48,600
a lot of heavy equipment working in and around the marsh and we'd like to avoid that as much

545
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:54,620
as possible. The nice thing about hydraulic dredging is based on the sediment sampling plan,

546
00:47:54,800 --> 00:48:04,680
we can break down and mobilize the dredging operation where it's starting to dredge out the material

547
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:11,380
and place it really wherever we want. And that's important because we haven't talked too much

548
00:48:11,380 --> 00:48:16,080
about the different practices, but we do their, the sediment sampling revealed there's different

549
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:25,480
size sediment grains in the around the butt, the bay, and the lagoon irks. We really want the

550
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:30,580
finer sediment, that's kind of the silt, what you might call muck, that's going to be more

551
00:48:30,580 --> 00:48:37,120
nourishing and provide a better soil matrix in the interior portions of the marsh, behind

552
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,560
the sill that Simon just described, we're probably going to want course material a little bit

553
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:47,860
more sander material. And the sentiments that they've sampled have both. So depending

554
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:52,600
on where we're working in that, that's going to also direct where we're going to be taking

555
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,000
the source material from. I'm going to of course we're going to have the permit or we're

556
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,620
going to have to coordinate with the NJDP, with the Corps of Engineers, Fish and Wildlife,

557
00:49:02,620 --> 00:49:05,220
if they've had a number of conversations

558
00:49:05,220 --> 00:49:08,740
and input into the permits that have been granted so far.

559
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:16,130
So this is a good example of a mosquito ditch,

560
00:49:16,350 --> 00:49:20,110
like firsthand, what's really important to understand

561
00:49:20,110 --> 00:49:24,370
in these nature-based practices is elevation

562
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:25,670
really is everything in the water.

563
00:49:26,210 --> 00:49:27,750
We showed you some of those elevations

564
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:32,030
from mean low water to mean high tide.

565
00:49:32,310 --> 00:49:34,610
Sometimes that's only two or three feet.

566
00:49:34,610 --> 00:49:39,670
And I bet we don't have exact topo, but I think I've seen some of the topography from the other thing.

567
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:43,670
You might be talking about a total elevation difference of lesson five feet.

568
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:45,870
That's up to my nose to the floor.

569
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:51,330
So really inches become critical in the different ecosystems within the march.

570
00:49:52,270 --> 00:49:58,570
With a mosquito ditch, that bottom of that ditch there really is below the low, mean low high water.

571
00:49:58,850 --> 00:50:04,270
It really is too low because it was dredged out and ditched to support any kind of vegetation.

572
00:50:04,270 --> 00:50:12,070
that core grass that's far tiny there, on either side of the ditch, simply can't grow in that kind of depth.

573
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:18,590
So what we're going to do in the design is figure out what's the best way to start filling those ditches.

574
00:50:18,590 --> 00:50:24,810
Now there's a couple ways we can do that. We can put a channel block, typically some kind of natural material like cables,

575
00:50:25,590 --> 00:50:33,070
that will block that channel, and as the dredge material gets discharged into that ditch, it starts to fill up.

576
00:50:33,070 --> 00:50:34,510
It starts to consolidate.

577
00:50:35,310 --> 00:50:38,610
It's initially a slurry, probably about 80 to 90% water,

578
00:50:38,990 --> 00:50:41,290
but it does contain fair amounts of sediment.

579
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:44,550
That's going to eventually de-water and settle.

580
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:48,090
And that's going to start bringing up the bottom of that ditch.

581
00:50:49,210 --> 00:50:52,090
We can also do it in what we call, like,

582
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:55,470
even call a pre-treatment of the ditch itself.

583
00:50:55,730 --> 00:50:59,670
We could line part of that ditch with, like,

584
00:50:59,690 --> 00:51:01,410
straw, roughing up the surface,

585
00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:09,390
So that if some of the sediment gets discharged onto the higher portions where we wanted to start that thin left,

586
00:51:10,170 --> 00:51:18,910
as that water runs off into that ditch, now it's slow down when water is slow as you probably know, it starts to drop the sediments.

587
00:51:20,210 --> 00:51:27,670
Sandy sediments get dropped first as it slows, and then as you go into the almost point where the water becomes still,

588
00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:31,990
then you get the set of the finest set of its falling out.

589
00:51:32,670 --> 00:51:34,970
So that's really how we sequence this.

590
00:51:35,090 --> 00:51:37,910
We haven't actually figured out because we don't have a full design.

591
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:40,670
But it could happen a number of ways.

592
00:51:42,610 --> 00:51:44,010
I'm going to come back to that.

593
00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:50,270
So here we have what could work these white lines you're seeing are what we call cells.

594
00:51:51,150 --> 00:51:56,150
So we might put some type of containment, not like a wall or fence,

595
00:51:56,150 --> 00:52:05,250
but some type of filter sock or core C-O-I-R core fiber logs, they act like little barriers

596
00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:07,430
and we kind of create little weighty pools.

597
00:52:07,770 --> 00:52:12,450
And as the sediment gets discharged and each one of these cells, it does a couple things.

598
00:52:12,590 --> 00:52:14,150
It starts that thin layer placement.

599
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:19,570
Some of that water will run off into the natural low spots, like the mosquito ditches,

600
00:52:19,570 --> 00:52:21,510
and we'll start to settle into fill.

601
00:52:22,570 --> 00:52:29,970
So, as you can see, this is a fairly large area. So, we're obviously taking this.

602
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:41,000
We need to know free. That has to transport quite a distance. I mean, we don't want to have.

603
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:49,580
You know, construction type of dump trucks, off road dump trucks, excavators, working in areas, much as we want to minimize that as much as possible.

604
00:52:50,340 --> 00:52:56,520
So, having a pipeline for discharge and hydraulic judging really can span that distance.

605
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:00,580
And then we can move that and create a discharge point, almost anywhere we want.

606
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:09,480
So let me go back to the title precursor, and these runnels, you might be wondering why would

607
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:13,960
we create a runnel, which looks like a mosquito did right after we've filled some of the

608
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:14,380
mosquito digits.

609
00:53:14,860 --> 00:53:19,600
The difference is, these runnels, first of all, they're not nearly as deep as the misguided

610
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:19,960
digits.

611
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:25,520
I mentioned the elevation of the bottom of that mosquito ditch being below mean low water.

612
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,680
Well, that doesn't allow any vegetation to grow.

613
00:53:29,980 --> 00:53:35,020
These runnels, as you see, 30 by 30 centimeters, that's about a foot, foot wide, foot deep.

614
00:53:35,580 --> 00:53:40,660
They would be placed above the mean low water, so that's going to allow some of the

615
00:53:40,660 --> 00:53:42,540
core grass to spark tiny to grow.

616
00:53:44,100 --> 00:53:49,620
And it's going to allow, like I think Simon mentioned, the title, Ebb and Flo, to go into

617
00:53:49,620 --> 00:53:50,880
deeper portions of the march.

618
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:55,520
And that's really the difference between like those mosquito ditches and these runnels.

619
00:53:56,140 --> 00:54:02,180
Some of these, you see that before pictures, those are like salt water pans, they've kind

620
00:54:02,180 --> 00:54:07,820
of become isolated, they get a high tide but they can't discharge on the diurnal circles,

621
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:10,640
cycles of a tide.

622
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:16,360
So by allowing these, creating these runals, that restores that tidal connection.

623
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,580
So this might be an area though where we do have to have some mechanical equipment,

624
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:25,500
like

625
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:31,220
pressure to create those runnels. And that's going to be a fairly light touch, but you know

626
00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:38,420
that is going to be more of the mechanical touching up portions where we want to create those runnels.

627
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:45,700
But again, and it great expands like that with high pressure discharge from a hydraulic

628
00:54:45,700 --> 00:54:51,040
drip, you can almost do like a, you can almost imagine like irrigation, but rather just spring water,

629
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:56,380
It's water laden with sediment, which is going to help nourish and start filling that marsh.

630
00:55:01,240 --> 00:55:07,760
So, the key thing is, yeah, we're going to design the sequencing directly into that plan.

631
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:14,500
And as we get further along in a design, we would take all those considerations into play.

632
00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:21,420
It really does become kind of an orchestration of, where are we going to, when are we getting it?

633
00:55:21,420 --> 00:55:27,780
How's it going to be placed and this might be a multi-year effort because the thin layer of placement is Simon mentioned isn't going to happen overnight

634
00:55:27,780 --> 00:55:35,600
You know, we might be talking four to six inches any given season or over a course of a multi-phase project. So

635
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,860
That's the hopefully the how and one how we're going to do so next steps

636
00:55:44,300 --> 00:55:46,900
You want to talk Matt or

637
00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:51,690
But this is yeah, this is our part. So this effort that

638
00:55:54,970 --> 00:55:56,830
We are actually wrapping this up.

639
00:55:57,990 --> 00:56:04,450
This presentation is actually the finalizing everything that we've had.

640
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:05,990
We wanted to present it to the public.

641
00:56:06,730 --> 00:56:10,890
We are going to be doing a final report on behalf of NJDPs.

642
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:13,650
I'm going to name it to Stafford.

643
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:18,610
We have to get to part of that.

644
00:56:18,610 --> 00:56:22,910
obviously now we'll hand that off to Matt that will be the basis for them to submit

645
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:29,670
for additional grants to do get funding for design, get funding for the other permits.

646
00:56:31,150 --> 00:56:35,450
When you apply for these grants, they really want a good action plan and that's really the benefit

647
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:40,670
of what we've done today is staff are based on this conceptual design.

648
00:56:40,990 --> 00:56:45,750
Really have a good master plan for the next level of grants.

649
00:56:47,850 --> 00:56:51,650
even NJDP, nobody gives you a bag of cash to go do a big project.

650
00:56:52,270 --> 00:56:54,410
They want to see exactly what you're going to do.

651
00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:58,150
So now, with this conceptual design, we're going to have a better idea.

652
00:56:59,730 --> 00:57:01,750
And I'll let Matt talk about the last bullet point,

653
00:57:02,510 --> 00:57:03,790
and then we'll take some questions.

654
00:57:05,170 --> 00:57:06,830
As we're just about over five minutes.

655
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:17,850
Like it said, that last bullet point is really the whole,

656
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:20,470
this is kind of the whole things, the proofs and the pudding.

657
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:32,990
We have to get through that planning process, so between Climbelder and Rambel, they've helped give us essentially the opportunity to be able to go after these different bunnings.

658
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:35,710
It's the same thing that we did with Rzeigh and Stafford.

659
00:57:36,050 --> 00:57:38,590
It opens up that process for us.

660
00:57:38,670 --> 00:57:40,250
So that's essentially what we'll do.

661
00:57:40,810 --> 00:57:42,270
It's state federal sources.

662
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:44,890
We're going to look at any source that comes out.

663
00:57:44,890 --> 00:57:57,190
And there was an opportunity that we put in a couple months ago through one of the, there was a wind project that was being worked on that there was crap on it.

664
00:57:57,390 --> 00:58:04,190
Well, if we can make and restore the wildlife, you know, we're going to look for any and all opportunities to come up.

665
00:58:04,290 --> 00:58:05,990
So that's what we'll continue to do.

666
00:58:06,750 --> 00:58:09,330
So I think at that point we'll turn it over to the audience.

667
00:58:09,330 --> 00:58:16,950
So if anybody has any questions or if you can put on your own doing things, anybody has any questions, feel free to ask.

668
00:58:20,530 --> 00:58:21,350
Let's say here.

669
00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,940
Just watch it, but it's time to get turn it off.

670
00:58:32,820 --> 00:58:33,380
Hello.

671
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:45,700
Okay, my question is, I understand that we're using this as a plan to move forward for funding for the actual work itself.

672
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:47,040
Is that correct?

673
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:56,260
So with this it would there's gonna be more planning that comes with it so it honestly depends on what what type of funding comes out

674
00:58:56,260 --> 00:59:00,380
So sometimes funding comes out for actual projects

675
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:09,760
If any of these conceptual designs, you know, that's further conversations with foresafe if they're all bored with those concepts that come up

676
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:16,160
If there's opportunities to do that, you know, and foresafe for all bored then we would try you know the answer would be we would try

677
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,440
sometimes the opportunities come in the form of actual plans and design.

678
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:28,540
So this is more of a concept design to get to the point where you could go in and get to the

679
00:59:28,540 --> 00:59:33,400
point of having permits to actually go and do the work, usually need a site specific design.

680
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,240
You need the power we actually got to do it.

681
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,680
So is it the role as a March restoration, is it then layered disposal, and have to be able

682
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,940
to document how you could get there to really just depends on the opportunity.

683
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:59,100
Okay, so that brings you to my next question, and that is, I know that the people of B.T.A.M. West have been clamoring for this dread project to occur for many, many years.

684
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,100
I'm moving forward. My question is, do we have a timeline for that? Is it dependent on what happens

685
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:12,920
with popular point? Or is it just something that's going to happen at the end?

686
01:00:13,700 --> 01:00:20,080
So, the answer is right now with the timeline is popular points about the happen first.

687
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:24,320
That's that silt. The time and show the picture of the shows that happened.

688
01:00:25,060 --> 01:00:27,460
That's how we go in.

689
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,120
That's the resiliency part.

690
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:34,800
The back end of what happens from there is further conversations with four sites.

691
01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,860
So a timeline on that, I can give you right now.

692
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,280
Sharon, but the answer is we're going to continue to try.

693
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:42,410
So is it this particular section?

694
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,400
You know, maybe dependent on the funding and the funding comes through for the back end portion that we put in for.

695
01:00:49,900 --> 01:00:53,780
Or could it come in the form of working with DMP on the mud city side?

696
01:00:54,460 --> 01:00:59,920
There's also opportunities because DOP has the directing division to be able to work with them,

697
01:01:00,060 --> 01:01:01,780
which we have documented in the Brazilian staffer.

698
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:06,160
You know, so how we get to whatever the next project will be, I don't know.

699
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:08,620
You know, the answer is that I don't know right then second.

700
01:01:08,980 --> 01:01:14,920
But the answer is that we're going to continue to try to continue to open up the lagoon.

701
01:01:15,300 --> 01:01:17,400
It's got to work for everybody, right?

702
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:18,760
So it's got to work.

703
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:28,820
The other process that the township has right now is if individuals that live on in the Lagoon system if they wanted to choose to go out and

704
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:31,440
Drench behind them, they can use the township permit.

705
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:33,660
Well, the township permit has two spots.

706
01:01:33,860 --> 01:01:37,060
You can either take that material and tuck home turf farms.

707
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:41,780
And they'll use the material to grow marsh grasses that they grow.

708
01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:47,080
But then you're talking about transportation costs to get it there to disposal peas all that.

709
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:53,680
And then the other the other five is there's an area in eagles with that we have under a permit to be able to take that material there.

710
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:57,940
Again, it's the same thing you have to be able to transport it and transport it responsibly.

711
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:02,720
You can't just go out there and, you know, mug goes down the highway with it as you're going there.

712
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,500
It has to be containerized tank, so those are all specialty items, so costs, you know, there's a cost to that.

713
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:13,440
So that's an option that the residents have now to take action themselves.

714
01:02:13,860 --> 01:02:18,740
other than that, this is, that's why we did the study process in the beginning as to open up

715
01:02:18,740 --> 01:02:23,560
these opportunities to essentially go after much grant money as we can to try to fund it.

716
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,940
Well, you know, I'm all for that, so that's it.

717
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:33,940
I just want to add one other thought to that, which is that, you know, I think we understand

718
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:39,180
that, you know, this is a planning process and it can be frustrating to hear the next thing

719
01:02:39,180 --> 01:02:41,820
is going to be another planner or another more detailed design.

720
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:43,960
And

721
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:57,770
I just want to talk about one example

722
01:02:57,770 --> 01:03:00,250
that our teams have worked on recently

723
01:03:00,990 --> 01:03:02,850
that shows that that process can work.

724
01:03:03,110 --> 01:03:04,110
It does take time, right?

725
01:03:04,110 --> 01:03:05,150
But it shows that that process can work.

726
01:03:05,850 --> 01:03:08,030
So Rambal and Kleinfeld are worked together

727
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:10,810
with Long Beach Island, and as part

728
01:03:10,810 --> 01:03:13,750
of that Long Beach Township on a recent planning study.

729
01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:16,370
And one of the outcomes of that was a recommendation

730
01:03:16,370 --> 01:03:22,490
for, for, for design of a living shoreline at, at Long Beach Hunchips, D.P.W. facility.

731
01:03:24,050 --> 01:03:27,510
They, they were able to take the work that we did as part of Brazilian Long Beach Island.

732
01:03:28,430 --> 01:03:31,930
Get a grant from National Fish and Wildlife Foundation.

733
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:35,930
National, it's the grant source is called the National Coastal Resilience Fund.

734
01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:39,650
And that grant was for full design and permitting.

735
01:03:40,070 --> 01:03:42,230
So it's not going to go to construction.

736
01:03:43,030 --> 01:03:48,370
However, if we have a national physician wildlife foundation, it's one of those funding sources

737
01:03:48,370 --> 01:03:53,850
where they like to give funding and increments, they want to get that planning and design

738
01:03:53,850 --> 01:03:56,170
done, and then they want to fund the construction, right?

739
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:57,610
They don't want it to just stop there.

740
01:03:58,610 --> 01:04:03,790
So what Long Beach Township is doing is not just, hey, let's get this design in place, and then

741
01:04:03,790 --> 01:04:05,030
we'll move on to the next thing.

742
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:10,010
The goal would be to go back to that funding source or another one and get the funds for the

743
01:04:10,010 --> 01:04:10,490
capital work.

744
01:04:10,490 --> 01:04:15,650
So I understand, right, it's another step in the process, it'd be great to just get all that

745
01:04:15,650 --> 01:04:21,130
capital funding all at once, and in some cases you can, that's done that, right, but this

746
01:04:21,130 --> 01:04:25,750
is one thing that we were able to do now, that in some cases you need that, you need that

747
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:29,370
master plan in place, as Jim said, to get that next, that next source.

748
01:04:30,710 --> 01:04:33,150
I think that's important to put it out to the day.

749
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:38,730
You have to remember, we're working with it's municipal government, it's county government,

750
01:04:38,730 --> 01:04:42,690
state governments, federal government, things take, unfortunately, things sometimes

751
01:04:42,690 --> 01:04:43,770
things take time.

752
01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:47,890
So, like to give an example, we have a county library that we worked with Ocean County

753
01:04:47,890 --> 01:04:48,350
government.

754
01:04:48,990 --> 01:04:53,570
That was a grant that I worked with the county to write that five years ago.

755
01:04:53,830 --> 01:04:56,110
And the library is not open yet, right?

756
01:04:56,110 --> 01:05:00,250
We're hopeful that it's going to open in the beginning of 2026.

757
01:05:00,850 --> 01:05:07,410
But if we don't work on the plans now, to give you an idea, we're close to $50 million

758
01:05:07,410 --> 01:05:09,670
or is a grant funding in six and a half years.

759
01:05:10,410 --> 01:05:15,970
So the thing is, if we didn't put the work in six and a half years ago, we might be zero.

760
01:05:16,850 --> 01:05:23,210
So if the idea is, is you keep working on it and keep looking for those opportunities.

761
01:05:24,050 --> 01:05:30,370
And especially when you are focused on whether it's consulting services that you're getting,

762
01:05:30,510 --> 01:05:35,330
or whether it's plans, or whether it's capital projects, you have to keep an eye out for those opportunities.

763
01:05:35,330 --> 01:05:41,590
So we've got really good connections that you see here tonight with us, but we've got really good staff

764
01:05:42,250 --> 01:05:46,130
that continue to look for those opportunities, and when they come up, the answer is

765
01:05:46,130 --> 01:05:51,250
is we're going to be prepared to do it, the P, Rambal, Climb Powder, and put us in that opportunity

766
01:05:51,250 --> 01:05:53,430
to be able to be ready to go after them.

767
01:05:53,990 --> 01:05:56,900
So any other questions?

768
01:05:59,260 --> 01:06:00,060
No questions?

769
01:06:00,940 --> 01:06:01,380
Yeah, go ahead.

770
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:10,260
Yeah, here, you know, my question is really more from make a store for an environment.

771
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:16,440
have you done these thin layer placements and been able to go back through to make sure

772
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,720
that you haven't had like a invasive bright might and you've done these before?

773
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:32,080
So for this one, I'm going to put one of our colleagues on the spot who's joining

774
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:37,480
on the Zoom, who's going to college so Maggie, if you can make sure the mic is there and

775
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,940
Well, that's great, and if you can, let me even help in a way in here.

776
01:06:44,450 --> 01:06:45,770
Brandon, do you hear that question?

777
01:06:46,290 --> 01:06:52,630
I did it in sound of like there was a question about controlling fragmites proliferation

778
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:53,650
on the march.

779
01:06:54,470 --> 01:06:58,790
Well, it's specifically a precedent, for example, that's up to another place in other

780
01:06:58,790 --> 01:06:59,310
regions.

781
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:02,180
Oh, I understand.

782
01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:08,760
So, I mean, as far as thin layer of placement examples, in other locations, make point

783
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:14,420
out earlier, the example on the Bring Island project in New Jersey is a good example

784
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:21,460
where Finlayer Placement was applied in Steve's sort of.

785
01:07:31,580 --> 01:07:39,400
The prime book reservation is another example of the comes to mind that was in Delaware, just down the coast.

786
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,420
Avalon might have been another good example in New Jersey.

787
01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:59,340
But as Jim pointed out, these marshes are really sensitive to the elevation that you placed at the surface of that, particularly because of the species that survived there.

788
01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:11,460
Fragmites is one that really cannot put up with salt water and so by placing just enough

789
01:08:11,460 --> 01:08:20,750
sediment, elevate that marsh above the mean sea level or just below mean high water,

790
01:08:21,390 --> 01:08:23,790
we're able to control.

791
01:08:35,310 --> 01:08:39,750
A lot of what we've been speaking about, I would consider a lot of these

792
01:08:39,750 --> 01:08:41,210
almost first generation.

793
01:08:42,310 --> 01:08:47,230
Let me shorelines in nature based solutions and marshes believe it or not, has not been around

794
01:08:47,230 --> 01:08:53,250
as long as, say, maybe some of the freshwater or riverine systems that we've done inland.

795
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:59,790
This is really, I'm not going to say it's brand new, but it's really still in its kind of impensive.

796
01:09:00,510 --> 01:09:04,950
These are a lot of these projects haven't been happening for more than like even ten years.

797
01:09:06,430 --> 01:09:13,350
Specifically, I can, if you like, downloading federal documents, there is a, the Corps of

798
01:09:13,350 --> 01:09:19,250
Engineer, Brandon Curtney, if I'm wrong, released a study called Guidelines of the

799
01:09:19,250 --> 01:09:24,230
then layer placement, and I want to say it was released in 2023, that's how new it is, but

800
01:09:24,230 --> 01:09:30,030
they actually went through some of the projects and kind of, well, lessons learned.

801
01:09:31,710 --> 01:09:33,070
Do I have that document right, Brandon?

802
01:09:33,070 --> 01:09:40,410
The correct, I have it here's the 20-23 guidelines for how to approach thin layer placement projects.

803
01:09:41,190 --> 01:09:42,710
That is an Army Corps document.

804
01:09:43,670 --> 01:09:52,950
They also, actually, published it through their engineering research and development group called ERTC,

805
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:58,390
sorry, engineer research development center, and so they kind of handle all the technical

806
01:09:59,890 --> 01:10:04,770
maybe borderline academic elements. It's a PDF, maybe 200 page document, you can

807
01:10:04,770 --> 01:10:11,270
just download for free. If I could, I'll give it to you, but you shouldn't be hard, it shouldn't be hard to find.

808
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:16,910
I mean, it is fairly technical, but I think it's a venture, this is something you find

809
01:10:17,590 --> 01:10:23,250
interstainer on a follow-up. It's certainly kind of our playbook, because like I said

810
01:10:23,250 --> 01:10:29,910
a lot of these things are new, and you don't know we see the effects of a project and restoration

811
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:36,410
project in year one, or even year two. So what they are doing is monitoring these projects

812
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:42,830
as multiple years, seeing exactly what you've pointed out like, is there an influx of invasive

813
01:10:43,630 --> 01:10:48,070
What's the settlement rate versus the accretion rate of some of these things?

814
01:10:48,670 --> 01:10:50,830
Are we just kind of like,

815
01:10:50,990 --> 01:10:54,150
Trading water, like if we're putting it in X amount of inches per year,

816
01:10:54,790 --> 01:10:59,670
Are we actually getting that accretion that we're looking for?

817
01:10:59,990 --> 01:11:02,530
So that's, they're really starting to,

818
01:11:02,550 --> 01:11:06,850
You know, we're getting feedback from real projects like Brandon just mentioned.

819
01:11:07,630 --> 01:11:10,350
Yeah, that doctor has a ton of examples.

820
01:11:11,370 --> 01:11:22,150
So, Louisiana has had some major, he has a bunch of temples along the eastern coast, it's a bit of a factory, you know, as you see some pictures.

821
01:11:26,220 --> 01:11:32,480
I would agree just from dual projects in the state, essentially you have to learn from each project that you do.

822
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,940
So, there's things that don't get tweaked each time you do a project just based off to that information.

823
01:11:37,940 --> 01:11:43,940
And like Jim said, the monitoring is crucial because some projects are going to take better than others.

824
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:48,720
You know, that monitoring portion would be able to go back to examples of what you had, you know, what we would do.

825
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:52,530
Any other questions?

826
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:56,050
I think just a last call for folks online.

827
01:11:56,250 --> 01:11:58,610
If you've got any questions, put them in the chat there.

828
01:11:59,070 --> 01:12:00,810
But in the meantime, any other questions here?

829
01:12:11,480 --> 01:12:15,840
All right. Well, thank you everyone. Again, you know, I'd like to thank DEP.

830
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:20,720
Thank Ramball, thank the folks from Climphelter, they've done an excellent job, we appreciate it.

831
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:28,640
Our next step from here is Jim mentioned is we'll get a deliverable back from DEP that I'll say this is the final document.

832
01:12:29,540 --> 01:12:33,680
And then typically what we'll see us do is we'll take it before our boards, our planning board, our zoning board.

833
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:39,740
We'll take it before the governing body and adopt just like we did with the Zing and Stafford, and that'll be our plan.

834
01:12:39,740 --> 01:12:43,200
As Jim said, we've done a number of plans over the last six years.

835
01:12:43,580 --> 01:12:49,580
The idea is not only to give us a game plan for what we're doing going forward with different avenues, whether it's resiliency,

836
01:12:51,980 --> 01:12:59,360
or, you know, looking for these restoration projects, but also to help with our master plan as we go to update the townships master plan in the future.

837
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:02,580
So, thank you for coming tonight. We appreciate it.

838
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:04,700
Have a great night everyone.