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[0:39] Good evening. Good evening. The meeting of the Green County Board of State Masters will come to order. First, on the agenda, we have closed meeting, Miss Shafferick, can you read the motion?
[0:47] Absolutely. Whereas the Board of Supervisors of Green County desires to discuss and close meeting the following matter.
[0:56] Discussion consideration or interview of prospective candidates for employment, assignment,
[1:02] appointment, promotion, promotion or performance,
[1:06] demotion, salaries, disciplining or resignation,
[1:10] a specific public officer's appointees or employees of any public body regarding
[1:14] water and sewer department and economic development. Whereas pursuant to 2.2 dash 3, 7, 1, 1,
[1:22] A1 of the Code of Virginia, such discussions may occur in closed meeting. Now, therefore,
[1:28] be it resolved that the Board of Supervisors of Green County does hereby authorize
[1:32] discussion of the four stated matters in closed meeting. Do I have a second? Second?
[1:39] Okay, we have a motion in a second to go and close meeting roll call vote Mr. Lamb start on high schools be high is during high and a chair of which are
[1:48] All right people
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[10:32] I'm going to call those she said,
[10:33] if it can jing.
[10:34] She said,
[10:36] If it can jing.
[10:38] If you can jing.
[10:39] If you can jing.
[10:39] And that's the same.
[10:43] I'm going to call them.
[10:45] Thank you.
[10:50] Great.
[11:09] Well, we're mostly coming to open session.
[11:11] So move.
[11:12] We have a motion.
[11:13] The second to come in to open session.
[11:15] Roll call vote,
[11:17] Michelle.
[11:17] Just hard time on it.
[11:18] schools be high and the chair votes. I do all member certified that only public business matters
[11:24] lawfully exempted from the open meeting requirement. And only such matters is identified
[11:28] by the motion to enter into closed meeting. We're discussing roll call vote. Mr.
[11:33] I'll start a file. Mr. Schools be. I'll start a file.
[11:35] It's hard to tell. I'll start a file.
[11:37] I'll start a file. I'll start a file and the chair is certified. We have nothing out of closed
[11:41] session. We would like to welcome everyone to the meeting of the Green County Board of
[11:48] flag and follow it for the moment of silence.
[12:40] We have a motion to adopt the agenda.
[12:42] So, move.
[12:43] Is there a second?
[12:44] Second.
[12:44] We have a motion in a second to adopt the agenda roll call vote.
[12:47] Mr. Lam.
[12:48] Mr. Tarton.
[12:49] Mr. Goals.
[12:50] Hi, Mr. I and the chair votes aye. Number seven, matters from the public. I'd like to remind everyone
[12:56] on that you have three minutes to speak. Please be civil and respectful to your fellow citizens
[13:02] and your board members. We're going to get it. First person on the list is Kelly Marcus.
[13:11] Welcome.
[13:14] Thank you so much.
[13:20] Thank you so much for your time. Yes, ma'am. I have a serious concern
[13:24] about the Green County Sheriff's Office partnering with the ICE through the 287 test force program.
[13:29] We were told that these efforts were about removing dangerous criminals and gang members from our communities,
[13:35] so I think the public deserves clear answers. How many of these people being stopped to
[13:39] obtain or refer to ICE have actually been convicted of serious violent crimes? Not traffic
[13:44] infections, not driving offenses, not minor violations, how many people with records for
[13:49] with felonies, skin activity, or major drug trafficking.
[13:53] If deputies are conducting traffic stops,
[13:56] that lead to immigration enforcement,
[13:58] what criteria are being used?
[14:00] Are these individuals being identified?
[14:02] Are they being targeted because they are suspect
[14:04] those serious criminal activity,
[14:06] or because they are believed to be undocumented,
[14:08] or because they look Latinos?
[14:10] Many of these people, in fact,
[14:11] that are hardworking members of our community,
[14:13] who go to work, pay taxes, race families,
[14:16] and contribute to the local economy.
[14:17] is there only offense is lack of immigration status, if so, that's very different from what the public was told about focusing on dangerous criminals.
[14:26] I'm asking for transparency, published the numbers, show us how many ICE referrals involve serious criminal convictions
[14:32] and how many involved people who are only issues in immigration status.
[14:37] The communities are facts, not assumptions. If this program is truly about public safety, then the data should demonstrate that.
[14:44] If it doesn't, then we need an honest conversation about what these traffic stops are making
[14:49] Green County safer or simply creating fear among law-abiding sentences.
[14:54] It is important to build trust in our Latino community, like the Charlottesville Police Department
[14:58] does.
[14:59] The Chief.
[15:00] Watch this, words every day really hard to build trust in the Hispanic community because they deserve to feel safe in the communities that they live.
[15:10] And since I have time, what steps are being taken to ensure victims and witnesses feel safe contacting the sheriff, the green county sheriff's office.
[15:20] If they're being targeted because they don't have a status, what's going to give them the incentive to call and report a crime, because they are going to feel that they're going to be targeted.
[15:29] and they're not going to be heard and they're just going to be ignored because they don't have a status,
[15:33] and they're going to feel targeted.
[15:34] How are these policies aligned with the county's values regarding family work and community
[15:38] community contributions? What would you say to a family whose primary wage earner is attained
[15:44] despite having no history or a violent crime? The only crime is that he doesn't have status.
[15:50] Have more members met directly with defective families and workers to hear their experiences?
[15:55] what metrics are being used to measure success beyond the numbers of stops or
[15:59] detentions? How are you, if the data shows most people are being stopped,
[16:05] or workers with no serious criminal history, what would the board
[16:09] reconsider it's approach? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you everyone.
[16:14] Melanie Johnson.
[16:18] Welcome. Thank you. Chairman and members of the board. My name
[16:21] is Melanie Johnson. I live in Barbersville and we're here all of us standing
[16:26] to demand that you stop enabling ice collaboration and green counting.
[16:30] Because what you have allowed through your budgetary approvals in your consent agenda appropriations
[16:36] has directly expanded the share of stability to collaborate with ice. And those decisions
[16:41] are tearing family's apart, undermining public safety and terrorizing this community. Under Virginia
[16:47] Law, the sheriff is an independently elected constitutional officer, but you control the money.
[16:53] You approve his budget, his vehicles, and his equipment, and you have repeatedly voted to accept federal ice money.
[17:01] You have done some of it through the consent agenda, without a public discussion, and that is not neutrality, it is participation.
[17:10] Last week, my neighbor, a father who has lived in Green County for 16 years, was detained after an unconstitutional traffic stop conducted by the Green County Sheriff's Department.
[17:20] 16 years running a business, owning a home, raising children, paying taxes, and contributing
[17:27] to this county, and he was treated like a criminal.
[17:31] He has no warrant, no conviction, poses no threat.
[17:36] But he was targeted for the color of his skin, and the type of vehicle he was driving.
[17:41] Deputies also took his elderly father, both were sent to the Farmville Detention Center,
[17:46] a facility with a well-documented history of medical neglect and civil rights violations.
[17:52] Within 24 hours, this elderly man felt he had no choice but to agree to voluntarily
[17:58] deport just to escape the physical suffering. This happened because your decisions enabled it.
[18:05] A wife is now raising their two children, both U.S. citizens as a single mother.
[18:10] A 15-year-old girl cries herself to sleep every night, terrified, that she will never see her father again.
[18:17] A 21-year-old son is trying to hold his family together, while knowing his father may be deported because they can't afford the $10,000 needed for an immigration attorney.
[18:27] Plus, he'll likely never see his grandfather again.
[18:30] Every major law enforcement organization agrees that entangling local policing with federal immigration enforcement makes communities less safe.
[18:39] You have access to this data and you have heard the statistics.
[18:42] You've chosen to ignore them and contribute rubber stamping the Sheriff's budget, including
[18:47] ice-funded appropriation.
[18:49] That choice is created a climate of fear in Green County, fear that keeps hardworking neighbors
[18:54] from driving to and from work, from reporting crimes, from taking their kids to school,
[19:00] from supporting local businesses, and from living their daily lives without worrying that
[19:05] long-term could destroy everything they've worked so hard to build. If all of us are not free,
[19:12] none of us is free. So tonight, we are telling you directly. Exercise the authority given to you
[19:18] by the law of the Commonwealth of Virginia. You decide whether ice-funded vehicles and equipment
[19:23] enter this county. You decide what the sheriff can do. And we're watching. Thank you. Thank
[19:37] you,
[19:45] Thanks, sir.
[19:47] Or members.
[19:49] Yeah, my name's Fred Turk, Stan is Will District.
[19:51] I want to commend you all for trying
[19:53] to get some more community input on the development.
[19:57] And when you had an exhibit at the bare festival
[20:00] and getting input and things,
[20:02] we're all concerned with the recent survey that just went out.
[20:05] Because it seems that you're not going to get a full picture.
[20:09] I'll go through the screen.
[20:11] Oh, my very first question says, you know,
[20:13] asking, do you think the green county current growth area should be expanded and our choices
[20:18] or yes, no are unsure? Well, if you don't want growth or you want, you know, not just if you
[20:25] say no, then the next screen you go to says, you know, where do you want growth and you have to
[20:32] put a point on the map? Again, if you don't want growth, then you can't go past that because you can't
[20:40] You can't go past that and go to the next screen and then says, you know, why did you choose this location?
[20:46] You can't choose a look, I don't want a location.
[20:49] And the next one says, you know, are you a resident?
[20:52] You can say yes or no, but you can't submit it because you haven't filled out all the questions.
[20:56] So it's going to be skewed.
[20:58] I think you're going to be skewed to only getting input for those that want growth, either growth
[21:04] expanding the current growth area or creating a new growth area. I don't think you're going to get
[21:10] a full picture in the responses from the survey. Good attempt, but I think it's a little
[21:15] a possible hard to get a little bit on that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Kent Copeland.
[21:25] Welcome, sir. Thank you. Kent Copeland, standards field district. I want to reiterate and
[21:31] support what the earlier speakers talked about in terms of the sheriff's efforts with
[21:39] and as I stated at the last meeting, transparency is needed.
[21:45] You can hear that there's a lot of concern, a lot of harm being done.
[21:51] With no information that allows for a public discussion,
[22:00] so I would encourage you to encourage the sheriff to provide information
[22:06] was mentioned earlier, what information should be provided, how many stops are made for what
[22:13] reason, how many stops are made because of the how the driver or occupants reviewed versus
[22:24] having knowledge about the occupants of that vehicle fired to stop it. What were the
[22:36] people being stopped, what has happened to those people?
[22:43] You do not? I certainly would not
[22:47] want Green County to be on the wrong side of history as this happened so many times before in
[22:54] the past. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
[23:03] Mr. Frito, can you check in? Anyone that's joining us on
[23:08] So if you would like to address the board under matters to the public, in the case your
[23:14] desire to speak by using the raise your hand feature, you can find that underneath the
[23:19] react button on your screen, we'll give you a moment to indicate where the desire to speak.
[23:29] One Baker, on the view yourself, and fix the board.
[23:36] Thank you.
[23:36] I hope everyone can hear me this evening.
[23:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[23:42] Been a while since I've talked to all of you, and I just want to say, I think you all
[23:47] are doing a great job.
[23:49] I did have a couple of things that I did want to bring up.
[23:53] The first one is this evening, you will be looking at a resolution of intent regarding a private
[23:59] airport, helipad, and unnamed aircraft operations on county owned property.
[24:05] I don't see a lot of transparency in this resolution of intent of why we are looking at something
[24:13] like this. Virginia Laws in regards to privacy for unmanned aircraft operations. There's
[24:20] a lot of information out there that you'll have to look at in regards to Virginia Law. So I would
[24:25] think that maybe we need to slow down on this resolution of intent and have more transparency
[24:31] as to why the county would be looking at something like this.
[24:36] Also, I want to ask about a specific property.
[24:43] So, a property that you've heard me talk about in the past.
[24:46] It's located on 29 and 609.
[24:50] It at one time was going to be a tractor shed.
[24:54] And then it actually was going to then become the Goshen Meadows Farmers Market, and now I see that they put in a special use permit on your county website that they want to turn that farmers market into a church and a school.
[25:14] So, I'm a little confused as how one person, one company,
[25:20] goshin meadows can go from wanting to have a farmer's market in a building.
[25:27] Now, they're calling it Grange Commons and they want to call that a church and they want to have a private school serving
[25:35] K through eight grades in that same building.
[25:40] So, it seems like this building owner keeps changing their mind a lot.
[25:44] So if we could look into that, please, and maybe take care of that, that would also be very helpful.
[25:51] Thank you, everyone.
[25:53] Thank you.
[25:53] Thank you, Ms. Baker.
[25:55] Anyone else?
[25:56] Mr. Freedom Fisher?
[25:58] On your yourself, then we'll be able to hear you in the room.
[26:07] Richard?
[26:09] You're on you if you're still there.
[26:18] I'm sorry.
[26:22] There you go.
[26:26] No, you can hear me, correct?
[26:28] Yes.
[26:29] Thank you. I'm sorry about that. I'm here today I live in Rutgersville. A few weeks ago I received a green
[26:37] county text regarding to survey, but one I could not navigate to. Today I was about to call a
[26:43] county office for help filling out to survey when a new survey arrived. Survey title,
[26:49] comprehensive plan, future gross map asks if we prefer residential, commercial job, or text
[26:56] flex development. The assumption is that growth and development mean better
[27:00] living. My first question, how many residents actually received the green
[27:05] county alert text messages? My second question, what was the response to the last
[27:10] one I haven't seen yet? This is my response to today's survey. For this very
[27:17] important quality of life question, the surveys ought to have been mailed to
[27:21] adults in the county, no exceptions, no excuses. The question is unreasonable as there are other
[27:28] possibilities, taking both the question and the outcome. Green could easily become an example to
[27:35] others by living up to its commitment to protect Green's natural rural character and promoted
[27:41] promised quality of life. That said, I have to select low density residential before the other two.
[27:50] The flex proposal is a monstrosity, a recipe that will rob the community of its peaceful
[27:56] qualities forever. The flex proposal is entirely the opposite of its adjacent residential
[28:03] neighbors, zone the agriculture, and a serious contradiction of green-stated principle of protecting
[28:09] our rural quality of life. This is a fixed and manipulative survey. Construction jobs are temporary
[28:17] and commercial jobs could mean anything. Green County's rate of unemployment is 3.1, Virginia
[28:24] 3.8, nationally 4.3, changing names, a tactic, hardly different than bait and switch. Green
[28:32] County supervisors have been shameful in negligent and informing assistance about the text flex
[28:38] research and development zoning. The nature of growth mentioned has not been adequately
[28:43] disclosed to the public at large. For the record, I have met Board in Green Residence, who knew or
[28:49] don't know nothing about the TFRD zone. If citizens are required to post signs with requesting
[28:55] zone changes, the Board ought to be happy to post signs even before bringing that topic up.
[29:03] Big signs where they belong on the roads at the properties where text flexes proposed,
[29:08] including the property owned by a current sitting supervisor.
[29:12] If growth and development are good and desirable, look elsewhere.
[29:16] What north? You, supervisors should be looking for ways to preserve our community.
[29:21] It's beauty and our resources, natural and historical, and our special quality of life.
[29:27] Thank you.
[29:29] Thank you, sir.
[29:30] Thank you.
[29:33] Freedom?
[29:34] The last of the week.
[29:36] Okay, but anyone else like to speak?
[29:41] Okay? We will move on to public hearings. First public hearing we have is public hearing to consider adoption of an ordinance that allows the board of suit vouchers to approve a performance bonus for employees, pursuant to section 15.2-15008 of the Code of Virginia, the traffic.
[30:00] All right.
[30:09] All right. Thank you. This is the issue that I brought May 12th, where the Commonwealth
[30:18] compensation board had money that they would like, or they have designated for localities to
[30:26] use for constitutional officers in their staff. As I explained, there are some nuances to it because
[30:34] the comp board funded positions are subsidized with other local dollars. So most, you know, like
[30:44] except for the elected officials, the salaries that we're talking about are in some cases
[30:53] less than 50% funded by the state, which means a 2% bonus on less than 50% of your salary is
[30:59] one percent bonus. So there's that new one's two that I want to make sure is clear depending
[31:04] on which topic you pick. Also this is the second bonus in FY26. We did one as you recall last
[31:14] July. And that went to the county funded as well as the constitutional funded in the offices
[31:24] where they got the bonus. Because it's a bonus for FY26, it has to be paid in June. And so we
[31:34] need to know right away whether you're going to do this bonus or not. I did find out that there
[31:40] is an option to turn down the state money. It's not that they send us money. We have to we give the
[31:48] bonus and then we get a credit on the taxes that we paid at the state. That's how this particular
[31:53] one would work. So you have an additional option to give the bonus to give it, just take
[32:00] with the state's going to give us, and disperse it as the state has done the calculations,
[32:07] do all the constitutional offices, officers, and their staff, and the other staff that are locally
[32:15] funded, and also bring the bonus, like subsidize it so that it can go for the full amount
[32:21] the people are paid, not just the statement of portion, or give all employees a bonus.
[32:28] We had talked about, I don't have it listed here, and I mentioned it last time, you haven't
[32:34] spent any money that is in your contingency fund, so there is funding available for county
[32:43] employees.
[32:44] the Sheriff's Department has funding available to absorb his boss and the other offices have
[32:51] enough money to fund at least most of the class. I may have to have some money from contingency go.
[33:00] It is an option if you want to use current ear money to do these bonuses. Any questions?
[33:09] This is a public hearing, so I will open it up to the public for a comment if Michelle
[33:15] Frick can get me.
[33:16] See, we miss Kelly tonight.
[33:17] She's attending through Zoom.
[33:20] I almost call her Ms. Kim.
[33:23] Right.
[33:25] No one has signed up, Mr. Frito can check the Zoom.
[33:29] Anyone that's joining us online?
[33:31] If you would like to address the board about this topic,
[33:34] But as if we use the raise your hand teacher, you can find it underneath the react button on your screen, and we will give you a moment.
[33:43] So identify your desire to do it.
[33:57] That's not a peer we have to do in the most cases on the top of me.
[34:00] Thank you.
[34:01] Thank you, Mr. Friedel.
[34:02] We will close the public hearing.
[34:04] We will open it up to the board of supervisors for discussion who would like to go first.
[34:17] like the Bay of Part is that the state does it right at the end of the budget.
[34:23] And the kind of forces I hand to the side to either who gets it who doesn't.
[34:28] Because if you get it, if you give it just to the Constitution, all of a sudden,
[34:31] the set or then all the other employees saying, well, I'm not getting about this. That's
[34:36] that's the down side to it. You know, if we accept it and give it just the work that
[34:43] And then all the other employees saying, I didn't get it on this, and kind of forces that hand through either say, yeah, you're knee and long run out of it.
[34:54] And it makes sense.
[34:56] Looks like the bag is.
[34:58] Once again.
[35:02] I had thought about it.
[35:05] And everything, at first I was, I said no, but then I got to thinking I said, you know,
[35:13] It's just a one-time bonus, and if it comes out of the contingency, and I added it up for all employees, it comes to 2,66,9, 59, and that's with the funded through the company.
[35:30] I mean, you take it 45,716 from, if I'm correct, I'm writing shaft.
[35:39] But, I know times are hard, even if anyone's, I know people can't even afford to buy beef,
[35:48] man.
[35:50] Or some hammerisms, you don't get a real hamburger when you get a bun, you get a bun,
[35:56] but something in space is so, I'm okay with their funding and coming, these people get
[36:04] out of jail and I know they have hard times saying,
[36:10] okay?
[36:11] As a comment, yeah, it's tough because again, trying to be a good steward of the budget and everything else I know next year is going to be really tough with the budget that we recently passed.
[36:28] And so like having a night of the future and trying to show the employees that we really appreciate them and everything else.
[36:33] This might be a really good opportunity to do so and expect them to, you know, kind of tighten the belts and the gears that come.
[36:42] So I kind of agree with Mr. Lam that if we have the contingency fund currently, that I'd like to support that.
[36:50] And then, you know, it also lends a little bit of
[36:57] Credence that we need to think about how we look at bonuses in the future to Mr. Goldvee's point
[37:03] These are bonuses that come out from the state
[37:07] You know, and I'm not saying that we should run ourselves like a corporate organization
[37:10] I wouldn't I wouldn't think that that's the way we should do good governance
[37:14] but I do think that that's one of the places that's missing in our personnel
[37:21] Policy right as it talks about salaries and promotions and
[37:25] how you can get performance-based increases to your salary, but it doesn't talk about
[37:30] bonuses at all. So that might be an area for us to review in the future to try to put some
[37:36] consistency around how to simply have a performance-based bonus in conjunction with whatever
[37:42] to the state might give us, so, okay.
[37:46] I mean, the commonwealth puts this in this position every year.
[37:50] Unfortunately,
[37:54] right, but they do it to us.
[37:58] But I think in the future, the next year when you think it on the board,
[38:03] remember, this possibly is going to come like that.
[38:07] So that's the only thing about moving the future,
[38:10] budget year next year when you're working on that. And it puts us in a hard position.
[38:16] You know, we appreciate every employee. We want to help each of them. But
[38:22] do we want to put those 200 in?
[38:26] That would be 2.01.
[38:28] 2.20 1.43, you know, any 3.20, a penny is 3.20, right?
[38:32] So even though it comes from contingency, it's still taxpayer money. It's tax pay was money.
[38:37] And we race taxes one penny this year.
[38:40] Exactly.
[38:41] So, I mean, I think that's something we need to think about before we make a decision on that.
[38:46] Or do some of the park, you said some of the park was may have some funding.
[38:50] They could could match some of it too.
[38:53] But that could the cost of that consistency down long run too.
[38:57] Well, yeah.
[38:57] It doesn't matter.
[38:58] It's all general fun money.
[38:59] Whether it comes from the tendency of their budgets.
[39:02] It's the same thing.
[39:03] It's no good.
[39:04] Exactly.
[39:04] But yes, to answer your question, the Sheriff's Office has enough money to absorb the cost and a couple other offices can absorb most of the costs, so the impact of the non-constitutional officers, that's why I broke the money of parts you could see that.
[39:27] Yeah, it's always thought to be and we've been in it twice before in this fiscal year, it's hard to plan, it's hard to do a budget.
[39:34] We beat everything to death this year to try to keep things as tight as we could, knowing that the future doesn't look so bright.
[39:42] We do work for the taxpayers too, and they're probably not getting raises and bonuses through these tough times.
[39:51] I'm still under the same opinion that was before.
[39:53] I went along with the last two, but personally on this one,
[39:56] the intent of the court board is to give this money to court employees.
[40:02] And if we give it to court employees, I think we should only give it
[40:05] to the court portion of the salary of those employees
[40:09] because that's what it's intended for.
[40:11] And there's no general fund impact.
[40:14] We've, we spell a lot of money keeping up with these bonuses,
[40:17] but I do agree moving forward.
[40:19] and we said this the last time, we really need to mean it.
[40:22] Moving forward in this next budget process,
[40:24] we need to come up with some kind of way
[40:25] to deal with the eventuality of this happening.
[40:28] Because it's a lot of money for what it is.
[40:32] And to do it twice, three times in a year,
[40:35] and then next year, again, that starts to end up
[40:37] into the Apollo money, and we intended to be fair.
[40:41] All of the employees in our system got
[40:43] a 3% raise this year, got a 3% raise last year,
[40:46] We absolutely are intent to give them a 3% raise next year, right?
[40:51] So we do value our employees, and we try to keep things as far as possible.
[40:56] But I haven't changed my mind.
[40:59] If we don't, if we do, to the comfort people in comfort, salary, I'm fine with that.
[41:04] Or not take the funds at all, which makes it even more fair, because then nobody gets it.
[41:10] because we've already been through, you know, we're currently in a budget, we already gave that race to
[41:15] and two bonuses, and now we're, you know, we could possibly do it again.
[41:19] There's no options. But yeah, I would, I would just disagree a little bit about the not taking
[41:24] the money at all since it's already taxpayer money that we put into the state,
[41:30] if that makes sense. No, I'm right. So like it, but I get where you're coming from.
[41:35] And it's, it's, well, I think the interesting thing about the Comfort and I said something about
[41:40] I understand how it all works, but in the old days, if you got a
[41:45] cardboard position, that was like an entry level position, that wasn't exactly
[41:49] the position you wanted, because you made a lot less money than the county
[41:52] funded people.
[41:53] And then somewhere along the line, somebody wanted to be fair, right, which I'm not
[41:58] arguing that that wasn't the right thing to do, but raised those salaries up to
[42:02] be comparable to the county funded salaries.
[42:04] So we were being fair then, right?
[42:05] So where does it stop, how, how, where does the train stop?
[42:11] It may have been never did that, then it wouldn't be no issue, right?
[42:13] Because that's where that money.
[42:15] So they're using enrichment and antique system,
[42:18] knowing that most of the localities have leveled up.
[42:21] There's, can't hold a position.
[42:22] You know, to the active county positions.
[42:25] So, you know, we're just on the end of the bullwip.
[42:28] But if you look at the, if you're comfortable,
[42:31] you'll see right at the end of the,
[42:33] message it says, we are frugal when it comes to.
[42:37] Right. That's a frugal.
[42:40] So, so not, yeah, I think we need to anticipate to Marie's point. This is probably going
[42:49] to be a recurring issue. And so we should think about that as part of the budgetary process about,
[42:54] how much money would we be setting aside instead of waiting until it shows up?
[43:00] And that's, that's, I apologize, I'm, I'm digressing.
[43:04] No, no, no, wait for good one of it.
[43:06] We're on a spot. Yeah.
[43:09] So, okay.
[43:11] Other discussion?
[43:14] How about a motion?
[43:16] Take a motion to adopt the money just to the cut clothes on the state.
[43:24] That's, technically, for the company employees, and that's had to come out with a comp cell.
[43:31] Okay.
[43:32] Would that be option two in the memo?
[43:35] The only give the compensation board fund physicians, the two percent bonus.
[43:38] Yes.
[43:40] Yeah.
[43:41] But not the county math.
[43:44] Not only the county cell.
[43:45] Okay.
[43:46] Just on a common board cell.
[43:49] But similarly, yes.
[43:53] Right, Mr. Everett?
[43:54] So, but I'm hearing you say, is you just want to accept the 45,000, 7, 16 from the state and apply it to the salaries of the court, but not at any local dollars.
[44:08] Okay, that's the motion to have a second.
[44:13] I'll second that.
[44:14] Good.
[44:15] We have a motion in the second.
[44:17] Is there any further discussion on the motion.
[44:23] Hearing none, we'll move to a real call, Mr.
[44:25] Sure, all right, which goes me. Hi, Mr. Hartown. Hi, Mr. Lamb and the chair votes. I can tell them.
[44:39] Yeah, only because you're an elected official.
[44:45] I could be mad at anybody, but I spoke to four of you all after the last meeting. You agreed to let us do it.
[44:51] I didn't agree. I said we'd look at you said you would do it. I said we'd look at it.
[44:55] It's humanity. I didn't think for sure, but I guess you're in.
[45:01] So at the end of the morning, we could discuss that, and tell you what to do.
[45:06] All right. We'll move on to be public hearing to consider a amendment to the budget to adjust the aggregate amount to be appropriated during the current fiscal year for an appropriation, which is an excess of 1% of the total expenditures shown on the current adopted budget specifically.
[45:23] 1.102506 to the fiscal year 2026 budget for the Green County Public School Supplemental
[45:30] Appropriation from the Commonwealth of Virginia, Ms. Shefford.
[45:34] Yes, this is more money the state sending us because the enrollment went up. It's the
[45:40] and the superintendent is here to speak to the details if you want it. But because our
[45:45] enrollment, went up, saw our average daily, was a membership. Thank you. I always want to say
[45:52] enrollment, but it's membership. Average daily membership went up and because it is this
[45:58] fiscal year, so it's before our LCI has changed, so we get more money per student. We have
[46:05] one million, one hundred and two thousand five hundred and six dollars for use for this
[46:12] from the state and you have to appropriate it because no money can get spent even though the
[46:19] state Senate we can't you know get to put it in the you guys get to do that because you're an
[46:25] explanation as to why we're getting the additional funds. Yeah it's because the enrollment went up
[46:30] Um, they get it's the, um, the timing of the reporting and, uh, yeah, so it's, as you,
[46:39] you, you were that very good project process.
[46:42] I've shared that we have more than 80 more students from the three new neighborhoods,
[46:45] and that's, it's simply enrollment driven.
[46:48] If this were this time next year and everything worked out exactly the same,
[46:53] because our LCI would be higher, we would not be getting nearly the synonym money.
[46:57] So, it's, it's purely enrollment driven.
[47:00] That's our last hurrah on the old LCI, then. Yes. Yes. Yes.
[47:05] Thank you. Next. All right. This is a public hearing. So, Michelle, if you can get the sheet.
[47:14] Employee wellness goes a long way. Right. Sign up and sign up. Okay.
[47:19] No one to sign up on the public sheet. So, Mr. Friedel, can you check?
[47:22] there soon. The very one online joining us that wants to speak to the board about the allocation of the same funding.
[47:31] When you use the react button on your straight or at your hand, and we'll give you a moment to indicate that there's our seat.
[47:49] We're not here. We have any things.
[47:51] We will close the public hearing, open it up to the board of advisors for discussion.
[47:56] We'd like to go first.
[48:00] I mean, I think this one's pretty straightforward.
[48:04] So it's it's money for the state. I mean, it's kind of kind of ironic that when they cut six million and then they're going to give you a million and some back it's
[48:16] Also funny that we still have a state budget. Yeah, who's not doing their job. Great. It's not us right. Yeah, they're going to die
[48:27] So it makes a tough job difficult
[48:31] All right, I guess if there's no discussion I'm looking for much
[48:34] I'll make a motion to approve the attest resolution to appropriate and amount not to exceed the one million one hundred and two thousand five hundred and six dollars.
[48:42] So the fiscal year twenty twenty six budget for the green county public schools due to the supplemental appropriation from the Commonwealth of Virginia.
[48:49] Okay, sir. Second, second, second. Is there a further discussion on motion.
[48:56] Hearing none, we'll move to a roll call vote. Mr. Lam.
[48:58] It's a hard time.
[48:59] There's to goals me.
[49:00] Hi, there's Dura.
[49:01] And it's your votes.
[49:03] All right.
[49:05] If you don't have presentations,
[49:07] consent agenda, can we take it together?
[49:09] Anybody other problem with anything?
[49:11] A3C.
[49:12] Emotion.
[49:13] Make it all worse.
[49:14] There's even me too.
[49:15] Oh, that's right.
[49:16] I'm looking at it.
[49:17] I'm looking at it.
[49:18] It's my contract.
[49:19] It's my contract.
[49:19] Thanks, Matt.
[49:21] Yep.
[49:21] Okay.
[49:22] There's any.
[49:24] Would we take it together?
[49:25] Emotion.
[49:26] Take it all together.
[49:27] All second. Okay, we have a motion in second to approve the consent agenda.
[49:32] Roll call them. Mr. Ice. It goes me.
[49:34] It's the hard time.
[49:35] It's the land and the chair of action items.
[49:42] Jim Friedle.
[49:43] Proval of the V dot secondary six year plan fiscal year 2027 through 2032.
[49:49] I knew it was up next. I just hadn't heard my name.
[49:53] So secondary six year plan.
[49:54] We reviewed the project list and at the meeting when we looked over the list, the board had asked VDOT to review adding Turkey rich to the list.
[50:11] V dot is doing and conducting a study to find out which portions or whether or not the entire segment what they can add and what meets the qualifications and what that project might be all of the details the present that's at the board.
[50:27] But that study will take longer than the plan approval which needs to be done before the year end.
[50:35] So the recommendation is to approve the plan as submitted and then they will come back and present to the board the findings on Turkey Ridge and at that point you have the luxury of adding it at any time it can be added mid year no problem it can be it's something that waits to the next plan and be added to that the funding sources that are available don't become available again until twenty twenty nine
[51:05] So whichever choice the board makes, if it won't have an impact on whether or not that road gets funded.
[51:13] Additionally, you can, well, you can change the priorities.
[51:18] But some of those projects have already started, so stopping in the middle wouldn't really be capable possible.
[51:24] So it probably wouldn't be before 29 and before again, funding for it.
[51:30] All right.
[51:32] discuss the most important
[51:36] about sixty five three. So this is so we're
[51:42] adopting the one that was presented last meeting that's as it's right.
[51:46] Correct. Correct. Okay. With the ashtrip that they're they're working on.
[51:50] Excellent. I'm sorry. We can add them whatever we want to.
[51:55] Okay.
[51:55] Questions comments.
[51:59] Let's say I did have a very nice discussion with Miss Shepherd.
[52:03] after that meeting and we discussed lots of maintenance issues as well as the
[52:08] particular issue and it was I think a very positive interaction and hopefully more
[52:12] to come.
[52:17] Look a floor motion to adopt a secure point sure. I move that we approve the
[52:21] V dot secondary six year plan for fiscal year twenty seven to thirty two and the secondary
[52:26] system construction budget for fiscal year twenty seven as presented. Okay, so we have a motion
[52:33] in a second to adopt six-year plan.
[52:36] I'll call that, Ms. Durk.
[52:37] Bye.
[52:37] So those being high, it's the hard time to land and the chair of Outside.
[52:43] All right, resolution to appropriate the fiscal year
[52:46] 2027 budget, Ms. Shaffrick.
[52:50] Thank you, Ms. Treeton.
[52:52] Thank you,
[52:55] Ms. Treeton.
[52:55] Thank you.
[52:58] OK, so at the May 12th board meeting,
[53:02] you adopted the FY27 budget.
[53:06] The next step is to, again, the theme of today's meeting must be appropriate. So you're going to appropriate the budget. So we can start spending it July 1.
[53:19] Okay, questions.
[53:21] I have no, we spent lots of months on that. We've got to cut it loose now.
[53:25] All right.
[53:27] We have a motion to approve that resolution.
[53:29] I'm moving to appropriate the fiscal funds with 2027 budget.
[53:33] Okay, sir. Second. Second. Okay. We have motion in a second to appropriate fiscal year 27 budget.
[53:39] We'll call that Mr. Lam. It's a hard time. Mr. Goals being. Aye, Mr.
[53:44] Aye. On the chairboats. Aye. All right, Mr. Freedom. Resolution of intent to explore a special
[53:50] use permit. Yes. This was brought up there in public comment. The reason why there isn't much
[53:58] information is because we're asking for permission from the board to find out if this makes
[54:02] even since. So all of this resolution is asking for permission to explore. So the proposal is that
[54:11] we want to look at the property where the standards of wastewater treatment plan is that will
[54:18] be closed and repurposing that part of that site for testing on man vehicles. And there's a lot of
[54:28] work that has to be done in that. We're going to begin with a work session at the planning commission,
[54:31] But, you know, we have to look through all the regulations, all the licensing agencies, the feasibility of doing it, any impacts that would come from that use, and all of those will be presented to the board.
[54:45] We'll have public hearings if that's the case after we walk through it.
[54:48] The goal of this is really just to help market Green County and its proximity to the areas where a lot of this research is going.
[54:59] So it's goal is to track people to keep them in the area.
[55:04] And hopefully encourage some of those people that like the convenience to locate their facilities.
[55:11] larger facilities, headquarters, offices, and maybe nothing comes of it, but that's the reason why we want to do the research and explore the opportunity.
[55:25] So in essence, the study is forthcoming if we approve this resolution.
[55:29] Right, and of course the answer could be, no, yes, it could be anything at this point.
[55:34] Yep. Okay. Questions of Mr. Friedle about the resolution?
[55:42] We, if we did it, we would regulate inside just a boundaries of that property.
[55:49] That's one of the things we'll explore, you know, what are the limitations that make sense from our standpoint?
[55:55] What are the limitations that the regulatory agencies might have? And so we'll walk through all of that.
[56:02] At this point we really have an answer, we've looked into the idea just to see if the concept is worth exploring.
[56:11] And, but we haven't come to any conclusions about how to operate all the exact details,
[56:17] what the different criteria would be that's the purpose of going through this process.
[56:23] Has anyone checked with the FAA?
[56:26] We've had conversations briefly with FAA, people that are familiar with FAA, but we haven't
[56:32] had formal conversations because, again, we're asking for the relevant resolution so that
[56:37] we can begin to have those conversations and conversations.
[56:39] And she did it, well, 400 AGL, and we can share some of the things that are happening in the
[56:45] shelves where they're for sure.
[56:47] Yeah, there are a lot of different criteria and there's different licensing levels and there's
[56:53] different regulations depending on what you're trying to do and those are all the things that we would
[56:57] explore through this process. I've flown a little below 400. Oh yeah. Yeah, the Paul. And this process
[57:07] would allow for the public to like hear that conversation and everything else, right? It's like the goal.
[57:14] Yeah, we'll have, you know, staff will do the research, we'll work with the planning commission,
[57:18] the idea, and to get concepts about what types of restrictions we want to see for
[57:23] public. We will talk to industry experts to find out what their needs are. It's feasible that
[57:30] this idea is great for the county at this level, but they need it at this level and they don't match.
[57:38] Those are, again, starting that process is all we're asking and then once we have the information,
[57:46] we'll go through a work session with the Planning Commission at least one, maybe more.
[57:51] As we get the information presented to a level, we'll come back to the board and say,
[57:56] you know, do you think this is something we want to explore further and go through the
[58:00] public hearing process, and then from there we would have two public hearings and whatever would
[58:08] get adopted, if it were to be adopted, would have restrictions placed on it by the board,
[58:13] and, you know, an operating plan for the site.
[58:18] Is this for the larger drones to, you know,
[58:22] like the first?
[58:23] Maybe spray.
[58:24] But now, you know, right now those are all the things.
[58:27] All these are great questions, and that's what we're asking to do is
[58:31] they start to process of asking those and find out.
[58:34] Maybe the large zones is a great idea.
[58:35] Maybe it's a terrible idea.
[58:37] Well, so we asked the question, we don't know.
[58:39] Well, I mean, you get them to,
[58:41] for lots of spray and everything we had helicopters come in and land was real wet and they just
[58:50] follow up and you load up and go up and that was it. Right and with the goal being to
[58:58] create incentive and attraction to Green County we would want to focus on the things that were most
[59:05] interesting to the people in the industry and that had the best potential of bringing us future business
[59:11] It's really no point in doing it unless it's an attraction to the people and that we have an
[59:17] opportunity, at least it's a marketing thing. We want to market green county and are being
[59:23] open to business and to things that bring jobs to the community.
[59:29] Perhaps we could just say that
[59:31] Mr. Lam shouldn't be piloting a drone. He's asking too many questions about it. He's scared me a
[59:41] the discussion.
[59:43] The aspect of being there.
[59:45] Yeah.
[59:46] The water.
[59:47] Sorry.
[59:47] I didn't aspect of being there.
[59:49] Water.
[59:50] You know, I'm treating a thing in general.
[59:53] This is one of the options for that piece of land to begin with.
[59:56] You know, that's it.
[59:57] Not to say to it with it.
[59:59] But.
[1:00:10] So we were totally on the same wavelength. Because one of the reasons that we thought this was a good thing to ask to pursue. And we're asking because it would be, it's a lot of time and commitment to look into it. We're not going to do it if nobody's interested. It's doing that.
[1:00:30] is if we've been trying to find ways to preserve open land like that and this would require
[1:00:39] no runways, no new buildings, no new nothing. That's what we're looking at. And because
[1:00:48] the way that the industry works, they don't actually want any of those things. So I think it could
[1:00:53] to be a win-win too, because some things going there, you know, why not this?
[1:01:00] And to be clear, like this didn't just come out of thin air, like you've had discussions with
[1:01:04] people in the industry that have raised this as a potential attractiveness for Green County
[1:01:10] for that industry in particular, and when we say like the defense industry in research industry,
[1:01:17] right? Correct. Okay. Yeah. Working with that, I'm a development director.
[1:01:20] It brought the concept forward and yeah, we're also as both misshaffric and it goes me mentioned looking for things where we could leverage property and the community owns that would have little to know impact and maybe provide a benefit to the community.
[1:01:38] And I don't think thin air was the right thing to say.
[1:01:41] Yeah.
[1:01:43] Hopefully not about that.
[1:01:46] All right.
[1:01:48] Other questions?
[1:01:53] I was just going to say like, is there a amount of time that the staff thinks that this is going to like take for review and things like that and are there other like I don't want to be like a nice air on it, but just, you know, good stewardship of time and staff right.
[1:02:12] So I would like to say at this point other than having general discussion about it that I don't know fully how much time it will take to get the information so I don't want to say we're going to start on it right away.
[1:02:29] But the initial conversation may come up with a lot of questions that are unanswered or from the planning commission's point of view they may represent a lot of different citizens points of view that will have to research.
[1:02:41] I mean, I think realistically this type of process usually takes maybe maybe four months,
[1:02:47] depending on the complexity and when we work with the planning commission after a work session or
[1:02:54] two, we check with the board and it may be simple enough where the board says, yeah,
[1:02:59] we're just bringing that one to the public hearing or we may want to have a public hearing to just
[1:03:04] check where we are before we do it. So all those things, you know, plus or minus
[1:03:10] four months. It could be three months. It could be six months. But it's not a significant amount of time
[1:03:17] and it also depends on the board schedule and everything.
[1:03:22] Okay. That's all I have. All right.
[1:03:24] So let's do some action on the resolution with support pleasure.
[1:03:30] I think we should at least look into the attempt to, because if, like I say in the
[1:03:38] go chase, we can regulate to if they stay within the boundaries of that property.
[1:03:43] So, you know, people don't feel like a mile away, they've got drone flying over their house and stuff.
[1:03:52] We've got notices, a lot of the power companies there are or doing drones to check power lines.
[1:03:59] She'll ask manpower, so that's the new age, that's the world in general.
[1:04:04] But, you know, I know people will feel like their privacy is going to be, you know, in, in, in, in, in a fair with their privacy in general, if they're flying all over the can, right, if they can regulate just inside that property boundary.
[1:04:19] Yeah.
[1:04:19] Yeah.
[1:04:20] Yeah.
[1:04:20] I mean, that law says that you can't fly all the someone's on the 400 feet.
[1:04:29] And unless you get to property owners,
[1:04:31] information. We'll remember, this is just this is just enabling us to flush out details about the
[1:04:38] program in general. And I'm just in part of the process that we'll be to hear from the citizens
[1:04:45] and based on what citizens say and the regulations are because it's especially used to admit
[1:04:51] if we go that far, the board has the ability to add additional restrictions to address
[1:04:58] citizens concerns right and this this is looking at a special use permit for county property so it would be bounding to that piece of property right it's not it's not allowing we were not in charge of our own airspace that's the empty and stuff so throughout you know and I could go real deep on this just because I do have a background in the defense and stuff so I'm not I'm going to try to steer clear that but I think that this is a good step as far as being
[1:05:28] transparent and getting the public input and making sure that they're comfortable with anything
[1:05:33] that goes on in the county and allowing people that maybe are doing sensitive things but
[1:05:38] aren't they're not secret right so this is just a way for us to make sure that everybody has the
[1:05:43] opportunity to understand what's going on. Yes well well spoken it's good point we're also bringing this
[1:05:50] As a county, we are, we don't require by a lot of follow our arms or any regulations, but the direction from the board, the direction from the traffic has been.
[1:06:02] We want to follow the same rules and hold ourselves to the same standard that we hold everyone else too, and that's the reason for that special use permit and the reason for this request.
[1:06:14] All right, cool.
[1:06:15] So we have action on the resolution.
[1:06:17] Do I look do I have a motion?
[1:06:19] I'll make a motion that we approve the planning and zoning priorities for the order.
[1:06:24] Oh, wrong one.
[1:06:26] Second.
[1:06:28] I move.
[1:06:29] I move.
[1:06:30] We approve the resolution of intent to explore a special use permit.
[1:06:34] Second.
[1:06:35] Okay.
[1:06:35] We have a motion in a second.
[1:06:37] On the resolution and roll call.
[1:06:39] Mr.
[1:06:40] Excuse me.
[1:06:41] All right.
[1:06:41] Start down.
[1:06:41] So Lambo and the Chair of Outsight.
[1:06:44] Okay, Mr. Freel, now we'll do the resolution of establishing
[1:06:46] planning and zoning priorities for ordinance revisions
[1:06:49] and complement updates.
[1:06:51] So this is just a resolution to set us the task
[1:06:54] on the work plan that came out of the two work sessions we had.
[1:07:00] So in general, we may not be able to finish it all,
[1:07:04] we'll get into it and we'll figure out how everything flows.
[1:07:07] But these are the ordinance updates.
[1:07:09] So we're still working with our vendor to identify all of the code changes and where our
[1:07:17] our plan, our ordinances, all of them may not match.
[1:07:21] There are things that have been identified in the past that we want to change to add clarity.
[1:07:26] So there's a lot of different topics in there.
[1:07:30] Anything from accessory dwelling units to mobile vendors to access management, the comprehensive
[1:07:38] plan of course. I do want to make a point because it is a new change since we spoke, but our law
[1:07:47] will have to follow it. The state did pass under some of their affordable housing initiatives
[1:07:53] that anywhere in any district that regular pick-up homes are allowed. Now must allow shallow
[1:08:02] Wow, manufacturer homes, or what are commonly referred to as mobile homes.
[1:08:07] So, so that is something that's a little different. And I wanted to bring that up.
[1:08:11] We do have to change our ordinance to come up to that.
[1:08:15] And you'll probably get some calls because I know that because of the affordable housing initiatives and some of the vendors will probably get as soon as July 1 when the law becomes effective.
[1:08:29] applications for mobile homes,
[1:08:31] manufactured homes within neighborhoods
[1:08:33] and residential establish residential districts.
[1:08:37] And so I'm sure the first one that goes in
[1:08:40] will create a lot of phone calls.
[1:08:44] And so just I wanted to make that
[1:08:45] the borderware of that particular point.
[1:08:49] And that's one of the key things.
[1:08:51] The other stuff we talked about in all our sessions
[1:08:54] as noted we are, we have started
[1:08:56] and we are working on some of the comprehensive plan.
[1:09:00] I appreciate Mr. Turk making that point.
[1:09:04] We need to change some of the permissions.
[1:09:06] It was supposed to allow for an answer
[1:09:09] but still God people not to miss anything,
[1:09:12] but it actually prevent it one of the answers from answer.
[1:09:16] We'll get that fixed in the morning
[1:09:17] and it's a matter of changing permissions.
[1:09:20] But that's it, that's just basically the resolution
[1:09:23] that allows us to move forward on the work plan
[1:09:25] the board had set for us to do the work sessions. Okay. Comments, our motion.
[1:09:40] Do that we have food, the planning and zoning priorities for our
[1:09:43] dance revision and comprehensive plan for date this presented. Okay, sir, second.
[1:09:50] I'll second it. Right. We have a motion in the second on the resolution,
[1:09:53] roll call vote, Mr. Lamb, start down. Schools be. Hi. Mr. Deer. Hi.
[1:09:57] Mr. Deer. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Friedel.
[1:10:00] Approval to remove, check register from the website.
[1:10:04] Bismarck, yeah, there you are.
[1:10:07] Welcome.
[1:10:11] Good evening, chair and board.
[1:10:16] I want to talk a little bit about a recommended action that I'm bringing to you tonight about our check register that we currently display on our website.
[1:10:25] And replacing that with an aggregated version.
[1:10:28] So we don't want to decrease transparency for our citizens, but we would do want to be smart about how we are putting that information out there.
[1:10:36] This kind of came about because we are having an enormous amount of fraud attempts, the past several months on our accounts.
[1:10:43] And so I started re-looking at all of our fraud controls, reaching out to other treasures and that type of thing.
[1:10:50] I had previously known that our check register was out there and had briefly talked with our previous finance director about it.
[1:10:56] just never got back to it. So I knew I wanted to revisit that. It's kind of snowballed into
[1:11:01] something else because I didn't know that a previous board apparently had approved it. And so that's
[1:11:06] why I'm here in front of you all. I thought it was simple enough as finance and finance and I say,
[1:11:11] okay, hey, let's replace it with a version that doesn't put all of our information out there and
[1:11:16] give a roadmap to the broadsters, basically. So there
[1:11:23] I really can't speak to the type of
[1:11:25] information that we can put out there as far as what our system can generate. I'm not sure if our
[1:11:30] finance director is online or Kelley Kemp have been in conversations with her, but they're
[1:11:35] both familiar with an aggregated version. Speaking with other treasurers offices and other
[1:11:40] localities, that's what they do. Some localities have a transparency portal and they'll put that
[1:11:47] financial information there along with some other information for the citizens, which is something
[1:11:53] that's nice for our citizens as well.
[1:11:56] But to speak a little bit about the fraud
[1:11:57] that we've been seeing when I took off
[1:12:00] as I did add fraud of controls.
[1:12:02] And so we haven't lost any money.
[1:12:03] We haven't lost anything to frauds
[1:12:05] or controls are working which is nice,
[1:12:06] but it definitely takes up some time researching
[1:12:10] on that fraud when it hits the accounts.
[1:12:14] On our check registers, it has our check numbers,
[1:12:17] it has Huey Pay, it has the date of the checks issued,
[1:12:21] it has the amount that we're paying.
[1:12:22] And there's about five years, maybe six years of data out there.
[1:12:27] So any fraudster can very clearly see how we're paying people
[1:12:31] who were paying, who were paying monthly,
[1:12:33] what we're paying them monthly?
[1:12:35] It really does give them that roadmap.
[1:12:37] Also with the check numbers, if we use an eight digit check number,
[1:12:41] they can see that, right?
[1:12:42] They didn't know that.
[1:12:43] They might try to present a check with a four digit number.
[1:12:46] Well, that flag's pretty quickly.
[1:12:48] But this is the bypassing the fraud at the bank.
[1:12:50] and it's coming back to our offices exceptions,
[1:12:53] because the banks looking at it and saying,
[1:12:54] well, it doesn't match, but you go ahead and look at it too.
[1:12:57] If it were something where it was an eight digit number
[1:13:00] versus a four digit number,
[1:13:01] the banks are already going to meet the investigate that.
[1:13:04] But because we have that information out there,
[1:13:06] they know that.
[1:13:08] And so we're seeing, we have the typical fraudsters
[1:13:11] who's still a check out from a vendor.
[1:13:15] They're like, I'm not a good employee,
[1:13:16] and so they take a check and they try and cash it, right?
[1:13:18] pace their name on it or do whatever. So we have that happen all the time, but these are fraud schemes that are coming out now. And with AI, we're going to start seeing a lot more of that.
[1:13:27] And so what they're doing is when they present a check, they're testing one parameter of our fraud controls, then we get another check, but testing another parameter.
[1:13:35] So they're testing all the parameters to see what parameter we have in place with the bank. And then what they do is they send a check that doesn't fit any of the parameters.
[1:13:43] So that's the one that kind of puts us on a rat race, right?
[1:13:46] We're calling finance, did you always do a check register on such and such date and so forth and so on and they didn't?
[1:13:51] And so then we're kind of having to involve multiple people or departments and look at that.
[1:13:57] So we're seeing that.
[1:13:59] And then another thing that just started happening, well, this fiscal year, we decided to implement
[1:14:04] ACH payments to vendors to try and mitigate the check fraud.
[1:14:08] Well, just last week we had our first ACH fraud.
[1:14:11] So the first day we had one ACH fraud hit and then the next day we had five hit and our check
[1:14:17] registers now show who's being paid by ACH so they're seeing what type of vendors were paying
[1:14:23] by ACH and we do pay banks like a credit card or county credit card by ACH and I think some other bank
[1:14:29] vendors and so that's what they were trying to do right if they're putting an ACH fraud through
[1:14:33] for a bank you know they're hoping that'll just get through so obviously last week they were now testing
[1:14:38] our ACH parameters. So let's put information out there that still
[1:14:43] transparent for our citizens, but let's do it in a thoughtful manner and
[1:14:47] the best practice that other localities do. One of the other things that I
[1:14:51] just want to bring up, I kind of, you know, started looking at this from a
[1:14:56] perspective, but when I started putting it out to the Treasury Association, there was...
[1:15:00] More legal concerns about putting that out. So at that point, I reached out to one of the attorneys with the
[1:15:06] Treasures Association, and also got Kelly Campenball. And if she's online, she may want to speak to that.
[1:15:12] The two attorneys do have differing interpretations of the code. I'm not here to interpret the code. That is their role, but
[1:15:20] I think we're all in agreement and including those attorneys that we can be more thoughtful and the information that we're putting out there and making sure that
[1:15:28] or redacting information that needs to be redacted,
[1:15:32] that we are not putting the full check register out there.
[1:15:36] It's not something that's required by a code.
[1:15:39] As far as with code, there are some codes around secrecy
[1:15:44] of information.
[1:15:45] So some of the associations, the treasures of the association,
[1:15:48] had made comments about if you have refund checks.
[1:15:51] So if you think about some of your consent
[1:15:53] and genders and some of the abatements
[1:15:54] from the commissioner's office that you approve,
[1:15:56] You know, that doesn't have anybody's name on it.
[1:15:59] Well, any other check register and look up the date
[1:16:02] and match up who that is.
[1:16:04] That is a protected information.
[1:16:07] Other refunds for other types of abatements,
[1:16:10] juror payments, and you know a criminal case
[1:16:13] and jurors that were on that case
[1:16:15] and we've paid that juror.
[1:16:17] If they didn't know that jurors name,
[1:16:19] now they do if they can trace that back.
[1:16:21] So again, we wanna be really thoughtful
[1:16:23] to make sure that we're putting safe
[1:16:26] information out there and still be in transmitter, transparent, and then also that we're
[1:16:31] redacting the information that we're not supposed to put out, which isn't happening right now.
[1:16:37] Speak to some of it. It's an electronic junk out there. It's it's I wish you would have said
[1:16:44] jungle. I didn't speak to AI, but they have day scrubbers now. So what they're doing is they're sending
[1:16:48] these scrubbers out to like low calories and saying, okay, what funny until information can you find?
[1:16:53] And then when we talk about the fraudsters, these are skilled IT bad people, right?
[1:17:00] So they have a group that says, okay, research this locality, this entity, whatever,
[1:17:05] they gather all the information, they pass it to the next group and they say, okay, see who the
[1:17:10] big players are who are the people that make decisions, sign checks, they get that together
[1:17:13] and they pass it all to the next group, they create a fraud scheme, they pass it all to the next
[1:17:17] group to implement it.
[1:17:18] These are like groups of, you know, 100, 200 people, and it's only going to keep getting worse.
[1:17:25] So the summary is, you know, and there's, as you mentioned, there's more, whenever this was implemented, maybe it was, five years out of, it was before I got here, it was very easy to put that out there and it was not the big of a deal.
[1:17:40] I mean, think about all the information we used to write on text, people used to write their security number on text and stuff like that.
[1:17:48] So the law is changing so it's time to definitely revamp that report and replace it with
[1:17:55] the consolidated report and I did have the finance team has come up with a report so you
[1:18:02] can still see all the vendors were paying and how much we're paying but this is not
[1:18:05] all the check information on it which isn't necessary for someone to know for transparency
[1:18:11] purposes but you know it's still I'm not going to say that this will prevent fraud but
[1:18:18] But it will definitely keep all of us less busy because as you're getting increased from
[1:18:23] the bank, we're getting, having random invoices show up because they know who our vendors
[1:18:29] are and they, you know, like so we're all getting a lot of extra work and you know, we
[1:18:37] are stopping it but like why should we be making, you know, it's like we have a net with
[1:18:42] huge holes when we really need, you know, like just shut the door and not have stuff coming
[1:18:46] There's an ACH fraud, just one of the things that, you know, the banks and any of the trainings and things like that I've been to is if they see that we're paying an ABC supply company that could be a real company, I don't know.
[1:18:59] But they know we're paying them by ACH. Well, they're going to get research ABC supply companies see who their AR person is and say, hey, it's an information to green county and say we're changing our bank account information, right? And so here's our new ACH information.
[1:19:13] So we have to make sure that all our staff are doing their due diligence following the policy and procedures that we developed and to a T to make sure that they're following through and doing all the steps necessary to actually make sure that bank account information change.
[1:19:27] So that's a big ACH fraud that's right out there right now. I don't think we've had that, but then you have the invoice such to be such an amazing
[1:19:33] Yeah, I mean there's a lot of stuff that just gets down. There's the other fraud alert that just came out for one of the other departments was that Jim did the department. There was the fraud alert that came out of
[1:19:44] Yeah, um, they don't even need what putting the amount of information we have to make it easier on them as this works
[1:19:51] They're just taking because they did not only have an application, but sending out false
[1:19:55] symbolists and then taking money for people.
[1:19:57] And this is, I'm sure that's a, too.
[1:20:00] I mean, we're just going to start seeing all of that.
[1:20:03] So I'm just asking for, you know, the board to,
[1:20:06] I'm just making the recommendation to the board.
[1:20:08] So let's change this and be thoughtful about this.
[1:20:11] And, you know, mitigate risk as much as possible as we can.
[1:20:14] And still provide transparency to our citizens.
[1:20:18] When you send a ACH payment in on your computer, I come it takes not to you with the banks.
[1:20:27] You send it in five to seven days before it's, you know.
[1:20:33] That could be when you're a process in an ACH payment with your bank and you're sending it to somewhere else.
[1:20:37] I'll be going through controls at your bank and controls at their bank.
[1:20:41] And then there's probably a timing thing that you do it after two, it's going to be handled the next business day.
[1:20:50] Right.
[1:20:50] That's from that cultural area.
[1:20:54] So what action do we need to take to make this right? So it sounds to me that this is more complex than just saying.
[1:21:02] Remove the check register from the website.
[1:21:04] Well, we want to remove it. We want to replace it.
[1:21:06] But that's something something else.
[1:21:07] So is that the only direction you want that you all work together to remove it and put on there?
[1:21:13] Yes.
[1:21:13] Okay.
[1:21:14] And it sounds like Dave and it sounds like they've gotten something already pulled together.
[1:21:19] And I think as long as, you know, our county attorney is fine with it.
[1:21:24] And I mean, they know where I stand as far as what from my viewpoint, what I feel like is acceptable in there.
[1:21:30] They're familiar with what other localities have.
[1:21:32] And I think as long as it kind of fits best practice and is in line with other
[1:21:36] realities.
[1:21:37] I'm fine with it.
[1:21:38] We have an older system so it doesn't have some of the dashboards stuff you were talking
[1:21:42] about it.
[1:21:43] We will never have that with this current system.
[1:21:46] But we have found a consolidated vendor report.
[1:21:51] So we can use that.
[1:21:52] I just can't have staff spending days.
[1:21:56] That's a very expensive report.
[1:21:58] you know, so, but we found a system report we can use that will take a little bit longer because
[1:22:04] there's still some redacting or whatever that has happened. And we have to change some of the
[1:22:08] practices which we're not going to tell everybody about because people I do and there's something else to
[1:22:14] check. But we have come up with, you know, we have good people who have come up with something that I
[1:22:21] think will work nicely for the purpose of why is out there. So if I can sense this, can we just say
[1:22:27] absolutely hit it and support you with that. I'm frankly horrified.
[1:22:35] That's bad. Yeah. Yeah. I
[1:22:37] could have three people doing this like in the fence every day sounds like. And if you just
[1:22:42] become very time-consuming or both our staffs to deal with, stop it. There's a couple of fun.
[1:22:48] There's some planning things upset in with those. They get checks. They've put out vendors and
[1:22:54] somebody get the hands on it and go cash on that. I mean, yeah, yeah, we see that a lot. I mean,
[1:23:00] we do have fraud controls in place to stop that and catch that, but that is a common one. But
[1:23:05] now it's the fraud schemes that the scary part that you know, is AR, it's these fraud teams and just
[1:23:12] another thing about AI and I had mentioned this and I'm sure Kathy and her meetings have heard this,
[1:23:17] but one of the recent drinks I went to, they had a cybersecurity expert in a useful work with FBI and
[1:23:22] one of the bad guys under cover and he had said that the fraud schemes used to take, you know, two to four weeks to
[1:23:30] Together all the data and get it together and roll it out and now with AI they're doing it under 30 minutes and sometimes in under 10 minutes
[1:23:36] So imagine the amount of schemes that can come out
[1:23:40] Yeah, so
[1:23:42] Well, I appreciate that. So we'll thank you
[1:23:44] We're to go on it and pick your business. Uh, do you need money in the door? Yeah, do you need a motion on the
[1:23:51] with the back consensus it's yeah exactly we were just I read on this
[1:23:55] reality was I read we all agree right away of course we're five definitely
[1:23:59] excellent. All right. Board of the A's on reports. Thank you, Ms. Morrison.
[1:24:08] Board of the A's on reports. Anybody got anything? I don't even I can't even
[1:24:13] straight. Okay. Firstly, I want to thank I see a lot of people who are at the
[1:24:23] weather was perfect, so it was very nice.
[1:24:27] It was hot. I do want to mention that if you haven't
[1:24:31] signed up for alerts on drought.gov, they have a great weekly reports that come out about what
[1:24:39] are drought statuses and right now, believe it or not, probably do believe it is especially
[1:24:45] spending away you live. But part of the county is in extreme drought and the rest is in severe
[1:24:50] out. And that's only going to, it's only going to get worse. I bring that to everybody's attention
[1:24:57] because we haven't called for any use. People counties around us because it's across the Commonwealth.
[1:25:04] They are calling for different types of water restrictions. I know Louisa just called for some today.
[1:25:10] You know, have anything to report on that because our situation is different than theirs,
[1:25:14] but I just bring it to attention so it's not loud. Where's this coming from?
[1:25:18] We have things that we're watching, we are watching it, and we will say, accordingly, if there are any changes, we recommend for the board to take.
[1:25:30] June 19th, the county has closed as a state holiday for Juneteenth.
[1:25:37] If you, I saw this isn't my thing, but just a red white booming green, you know, that are still having people sign up to be in the parade and there's information online.
[1:25:48] that's exciting because it's a tune of 50th anniversary. I've talked about the workforce
[1:25:54] participation grant that we got so that people can get free workforce training for clean
[1:26:00] energy type of careers. So these are career pathways and clean energy. So you get you sign
[1:26:08] out for it, you get the free training and at the end you'll have a building sciences principles
[1:26:13] or BPI certification, a building analyst technician or BAT certification and a building analyst professional certification,
[1:26:24] which you could then parlay into working for like a dominion energy, or if you're a contract or a particular,
[1:26:32] you have another set of skills that you could use as you're going in and doing renovations and stuff, et cetera.
[1:26:39] So we had originally had the deadline be yesterday, but we have extended it. So we're still looking for good people to sign up for that, which would be good.
[1:26:51] And as always, we're looking for volunteers to serve on different boards and commissions that we have, the list is on the last week of last board meeting.
[1:27:01] I went through each one. I will for two with that this time. And the last thing I was going to say is that
[1:27:07] standard street over here will be the street will be repaired in the sidewalk on June 11th and 12th.
[1:27:16] So at the end of this week they'll be with in that those two days the road will be closed as it's
[1:27:31] All right, thank you, Miss Shaferick.
[1:27:35] Other items from the board?
[1:27:38] I just don't want to go through the evening without an ounce
[1:27:41] in that we've canceled the last bullet meeting
[1:27:43] in the month.
[1:27:45] Oh, we have.
[1:27:48] So we're giving everybody a very good cash.
[1:27:54] I do think that tonight there's
[1:27:57] a lot of really good discussion of big point.
[1:28:01] I think I heard brought up on multiple occasions was just transparency and I think that that's something that we're trying to work towards.
[1:28:08] We got through the budget cycle.
[1:28:11] And now, and I think I said this the last couple meetings is that we really need to start looking towards that plan as we move into the next year.
[1:28:22] The conflan stuff is going through planning and zoning with the cybersecurity stuff thinking about policies, that's one that's missing right we don't have a cybersecurity plan so like I'm not suggesting that we
[1:28:38] start putting policy on paper and everything like by ourselves or anything like that. But I would
[1:28:44] like to propose that maybe next meeting that we meet, that we discussed some of the things that
[1:28:49] we have been discussing individually at times, back to the bonuses, right? Like is that something
[1:28:58] that needs to be in the personnel, personnel, handbook has been updated since 2019. There's lots of
[1:29:04] different little things that would probably make it a lot easier for us in the future to keep
[1:29:08] consistency across how we're interacting with the staff and the public. I know that there's
[1:29:16] a change in the state code that will be coming up with the bylaws needing an update because
[1:29:27] you can't just propose a new, I think, correct me from Ron Kathy, the you can't propose something to
[1:29:34] voted on the night of a meeting. You'd have to actually announce it and then be able to vote on
[1:29:40] the next meeting. Is that, I'm not a lawyer. So yeah, and that'll be, in effect, starting in a couple
[1:29:49] months, right? July 1, you're a great. Five hours per vivid is. Unless the board votes a vote to
[1:29:56] And then directly the suspense, the violence, and...
[1:29:59] Okay.
[1:30:00] That's been your practice. Right, it's not when we're really going to do it, except that we can't wait. We can't wait. That will naturally fall out because we'll have to be in blinds.
[1:30:10] So I understand what you're saying, and I don't know what the vehicle is to do that.
[1:30:16] I mean, I just want to read our work.
[1:30:20] Or something like that because it's such an all encompassing topic.
[1:30:24] That's what I like about the legislative program with the plain and stuff because it's kind of
[1:30:29] Flushing out some of those inconsistencies along the way and gaps, you know
[1:30:33] We don't have that for these other things. We just I guess you start one at a time, right?
[1:30:39] Right, you know one document at a time and without spending a lot of money
[1:30:42] You could probably hire somebody for about a million dollars to get you a hundred percent dialed in on day one, you know
[1:30:49] Yeah, like with the cybersecurity stuff. I know they call some million dollars now
[1:30:52] Yeah, yeah, like my recommendation for the cybersecurity plan would be to ask, you know,
[1:30:57] Kathy and the director of IT to go out and see what state, there's probably money out there
[1:31:02] or he programs where there's free assessment stuff to say, here's your basics, right, and then
[1:31:08] things like that. But I'm sure that's across all the things that we're talking about HR has the same thing,
[1:31:14] but kind of, I don't know, vision boarding the what are the priorities and stuff. I think is
[1:31:21] important so that the public knows that we have heard a lot of their concerns and that then also staff as the direction for, you know, what are they, you know, the same thing we just did with planning and zoning, right, is what I'm imagining where we sit there and we talk it out different things. Yeah, different topics. Yeah. So, but yeah, those were the three that just like came up tonight, the kind of made me think that. So, all right, I'll stop on.
[1:31:45] That's a good, that's what I have to say.
[1:31:49] Other, I just want to work.
[1:31:51] I just like to say, I got a complaint from someone on 16.
[1:31:57] You were aware of Tom from Marie,
[1:32:01] but a lot of shooting on and on during the night.
[1:32:05] I mean, the late is night.
[1:32:08] And the guy said, it goes on off just about every night.
[1:32:12] So I don't know what is that A1's own?
[1:32:16] Yeah, it's the...
[1:32:16] Yeah, it's A1 back and I...
[1:32:19] Housing and I will too.
[1:32:25] I'm going to see if I left.
[1:32:27] I think so.
[1:32:29] Okay.
[1:32:30] I think we make some good decisions and some tough decisions.
[1:32:35] Let's...
[1:32:35] To be in this position,
[1:32:38] that's...
[1:32:38] I mean, it's tough.
[1:32:39] And we don't do...
[1:32:40] On personal reasons.
[1:32:42] I think we all try to do that best and make our citizens the best on what the
[1:32:48] decision is as can he's to stand behind down this. That's right. I mean, I can't
[1:32:55] say to you to say we're all the same. I don't know everything but we try to do that
[1:32:59] best and staying and look up what the decision of this can is the way I look at it
[1:33:04] I think we're doing a pretty good job, I mean, but I appreciate the board. I mean, I think that we, where we've got to agree to disagree, we do, but I think we all have that mission and work for the people and yeah, we don't hit it right all the time, but we, I think all of us are in hearts and the right place and I do enjoy the interaction and glad that we can work together to end to that goal.
[1:33:35] there's five of us up here for a reason, right? If it was one person rule, you only need one
[1:33:41] supervisor. So there's five of us in five opinions trying to do the best job at that, you know,
[1:33:46] you're only on the dictation. That's right. But I do appreciate that too, but you're right
[1:33:52] in some nights or not fun. I used to have a saying back the last time I was on board. If you go home
[1:33:57] and feel good about anything, you did. You probably did the wrong thing. I think that's still a
[1:34:01] sometimes when you go home, if you feel good about it, it's probably not good. So
[1:34:07] like I said depends on how many phone calls will get tomorrow, right? That's right. That's right.
[1:34:11] All right. Any other items in the board?
[1:34:14] There's to cool speed. Motion for a German. There's a second.
[1:34:18] I think we have a motion in a second to a German roll call vote. Mr. Lam. Starts out.
[1:34:21] My school's been I was during I and share a good time. Thank y'all,
[1:34:29] thank you