1 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,360 Uh, good evening everyone and welcome to 2 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:38,080 our special Tuesday edition of our 3 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,479 regular PL uh commissioners meeting. I'd 4 00:07:40,479 --> 00:07:42,000 like to welcome all that came this way 5 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,280 tonight. Um, I would call our meeting to 6 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,160 order. And at this time, I would ask uh 7 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,479 Vice Chair Law Hung for the invocation 8 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:52,400 and pledge of allegiance. 9 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:53,360 >> Commissioner, 10 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:56,160 >> if uh you all would like to join me, I 11 00:07:56,160 --> 00:08:00,000 invite you to uh heavenly father, we 12 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,960 come to you today just two days away 13 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:08,000 from the 25th anniversary of 911. 14 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Uh, a lot in this room may not have been 15 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,240 alive 16 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,000 that year or that date. I was I remember 17 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,160 exactly where I was located and what I 18 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,960 was doing. Lord, there's a lot of 19 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,000 citizens of the United States that gave 20 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,479 their life that day 21 00:08:26,479 --> 00:08:29,520 uh because of the World Trade Center 22 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,279 airplanes and the Pentagon and 23 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:36,880 Pennsylvania passengers. We just pray 24 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:41,599 for their families. We uh pray that uh 25 00:08:41,599 --> 00:08:44,399 this type of event would never happen 26 00:08:44,399 --> 00:08:45,920 again. 27 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,000 Lord, we uh ask you to cleanse our 28 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,959 hearts and make sure that we're seeking 29 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:54,800 your will 30 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,760 in our lives each and every day and each 31 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,440 and everything that we do as 32 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,279 commissioners. 33 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:04,480 Lord, we uh thank you for the many 34 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,959 blessings that you give us all. And 35 00:09:06,959 --> 00:09:08,959 Lord, thank you for your forgiveness of 36 00:09:08,959 --> 00:09:12,320 my sin. And Lord, we know that you gave 37 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,360 us your son Jesus who died on the cross 38 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,920 and defeated death. Thank you for for 39 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,959 that uh uh great contribution you've 40 00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:26,240 given. And Lord, if anybody in this room 41 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,320 doesn't know you as the Lord and Savior, 42 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,680 we pray that they would invite you into 43 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:33,680 their hearts. 44 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,480 Again, thank you again for the privilege 45 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,519 to be here and just direct us in what we 46 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:41,680 say and do. In Christ's name I pray. 47 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:42,480 Amen. 48 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:48,630 >> Amen. 49 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,080 I aliance to the flag of the United 50 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:55,040 States of America and to the republic 51 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,160 for which it stands. One nation under 52 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,040 God, indivisible, with liberty and 53 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,389 justice for all. 54 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:09,200 » Thank you, Mr. Vice Chairman. 55 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,600 Uh at this time, the um you have the 56 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,959 agenda in front of you. I would ask for 57 00:10:14,959 --> 00:10:16,800 approval or any adjustments to the 58 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,519 agenda. 59 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:20,880 Motion to approve the agenda. Got 60 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,480 >> a motion to approve by Commissioner 61 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:23,600 King. 62 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:25,839 >> Second by Commissioner Hatley. Any 63 00:10:25,839 --> 00:10:27,360 discussion? 64 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:29,040 >> All those in favor say I. 65 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:29,519 >> I. 66 00:10:29,519 --> 00:10:32,640 >> Oppos. Motion carries. Next item is 67 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,720 public comment. Got several folks that 68 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,760 uh want to speak. Um, I think there's a 69 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,360 couple of them that want to speak for 70 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,839 the um, public hearing that we're going 71 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:43,279 to have later on for a reasonzoning, but 72 00:10:43,279 --> 00:10:45,120 you're more than welcome to come up now. 73 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:52,470 Uh, Jonah Morgan, 74 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:53,040 » I'm sorry. 75 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,839 >> He said he'll wait. 76 00:10:53,839 --> 00:10:56,880 >> Okay, he'll wait. Okay. All right. 77 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:08,870 Uh, Donna Garmin. 78 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:09,920 Good evening. 79 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,079 >> Hi. Can you hear me? Okay. 80 00:11:12,079 --> 00:11:13,120 >> Mhm. 81 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,279 >> My name is Donna Garmin. I would like to 82 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:17,519 speak about the recent ethics violation 83 00:11:17,519 --> 00:11:20,000 by Trent Hatley. I grew up in this 84 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:21,839 county, the do granddaughter of a 85 00:11:21,839 --> 00:11:24,240 wellrespected farmer. When a handshake 86 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:26,480 was all it took to seal a deal, and when 87 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,320 a man's word meant something and held 88 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,440 great value. My roots go deep, so I know 89 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,160 what this county used to represent. I 90 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:35,680 chose to raise my children in this 91 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,360 county because I thought it to be the 92 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,920 best option to support wholesome values 93 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,320 and good morals away from the more 94 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,279 secular cities surrounding us. I taught 95 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:47,760 my children to be honest, hard-working 96 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,560 individuals and to respect authority. I 97 00:11:50,560 --> 00:11:52,160 taught them that they they could trust 98 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,800 in the justice system. 99 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Now I have grandchildren and it's 100 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,720 difficult for me to tell them to trust 101 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,519 in these things. In fact, I try to teach 102 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:03,839 them not to trust blindly, to question 103 00:12:03,839 --> 00:12:05,680 things before they decide where to place 104 00:12:05,680 --> 00:12:08,320 that trust. It is shameful that not 105 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,880 everyone has the morals I grew up with. 106 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,200 It is especially sad that some of our 107 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,279 elected elected officials don't have 108 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:18,480 those same morals. Mr. Hatley did indeed 109 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,399 contact a judge and attempt to sway a 110 00:12:20,399 --> 00:12:22,639 case. Thankfully, Judge Bain is an 111 00:12:22,639 --> 00:12:25,600 honest individual. Judge Bain contacted 112 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,680 alter attorneys involved and recused 113 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,079 himself from the case. You can't argue 114 00:12:30,079 --> 00:12:32,880 with facts. That's what happened. Please 115 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,800 tell me how Mr. Hatley is still in a 116 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,200 position of authority over anything. 117 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:38,639 What if we didn't happen to have an 118 00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:41,680 honest judge? What if the justice system 119 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:44,399 had been compromised? What if it has 120 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:47,200 been compromised in other cases? 121 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,600 When a person in person is in an elected 122 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,600 office, he or she has earned the trust 123 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,000 of the people of this county and there 124 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,480 are still good people in this county. 125 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,279 That trust has been violated. Mr. Hatley 126 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:00,880 does not deserve to continue to serve 127 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,000 the people who elected him. My daughter 128 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:06,320 Aaron Beth Pinkston and I have presented 129 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,079 this violation of trust to several 130 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,639 persons attempting to remedy the 131 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:12,880 situation or at least prevent it from 132 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,680 happening again. I spoke personally with 133 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,600 Scott Ephford who thanked me for letting 134 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:20,079 him know. He then called back to say he 135 00:13:20,079 --> 00:13:23,200 had talked to DA Lynn Claudefelter who 136 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:25,680 said nothing could be done. 137 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,160 We spoke with Sheriff Jeff Krisco who at 138 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,079 first turned us away but then later 139 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:32,079 called to say he would refer us to the 140 00:13:32,079 --> 00:13:33,680 SBI. 141 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:35,680 Brandon Blackman with the SBI said 142 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:37,920 nothing illegal had been done, only 143 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:39,839 ethical, so he couldn't do anything 144 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:41,600 about it. 145 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,480 I spoke with county manager Andy Lucas 146 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,959 who said, quote, "He has nothing to do 147 00:13:46,959 --> 00:13:49,279 with the commissioners and suggested I 148 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,000 contact an attorney." When we got 149 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,760 nowhere with any of that, my daughter 150 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,440 brought it here before the board at the 151 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,600 last meeting. Scott Ephford voted 152 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:00,160 against a vote to censure Trent Hatley. 153 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,040 It is to be readressed tonight. 154 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,600 I would ask that Mr. Hatley do what is 155 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,680 morally correct. resign from his 156 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,360 position and remove his name from the 157 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,839 upcoming election ballot. If he is 158 00:14:11,839 --> 00:14:14,160 unwilling to do that, I would ask for at 159 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,959 minimum a formal outside investigation 160 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:20,000 into this ethical breach. I would also 161 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,160 ask the voters of this county to 162 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,240 remember this ethical violation at the 163 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,680 ballot box in November. We need honest, 164 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,160 trustworthy people as leaders, not 165 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,079 someone who is going to use an elected 166 00:14:32,079 --> 00:14:34,720 position for their own personal agenda. 167 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,560 We need to bring back morals in this 168 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,880 county so it is a good place to raise 169 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,199 our children and grandchildren. Thank 170 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:42,800 you for your time and consideration of 171 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,720 this matter. 172 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,639 >> Thank you, Miss Garmin. Um, I don't 173 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:48,160 normally do this, but I would correct 174 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,279 one thing that you said. 175 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:49,600 >> Okay. 176 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,880 >> I did not vote against or censoring 177 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:55,040 Trent. I voted not to put it on the 178 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:55,839 agenda that night. 179 00:14:55,839 --> 00:14:57,279 >> That's what I said. I said you voted 180 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:59,040 against the vote. That's what I meant. 181 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,189 >> Okay. All right. Thank you, ma'am. 182 00:15:03,199 --> 00:15:06,320 Um, next one is Mr. Bill Schaefer. Mr. 183 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:27,829 Shaper. 184 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:30,240 County commissioners, I come before you 185 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,000 to speak to an issue that befell us in 186 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:33,920 August of this year. 187 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,440 Now, all you know that I've never been 188 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,519 shy about expressing the positions that 189 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,560 I take on every issue uh of import, 190 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,480 whether it be policy, politician, or 191 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:44,000 other topics where I express my 192 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,639 positions prospicuously. 193 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,040 If anyone's listened to my podcast, you 194 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,600 know that's true. 195 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,040 In the August County Commissioner 196 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,240 meeting, during the public comment 197 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,600 portion of the meeting, Miss Aaron 198 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,519 Kingston levied an allegation against 199 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,720 Republican board member Trent Hatley, 200 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,720 alleging that Mr. Hadley had attempted 201 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,519 to coersse a sitting judge into favoring 202 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:08,959 a party uh to her court case. This 203 00:16:08,959 --> 00:16:11,279 resulted in an emergency type meeting 204 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:14,079 held by the honorable judge Ty Vang in 205 00:16:14,079 --> 00:16:16,160 which he recused himself from the civil 206 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,360 case that Miss Kingston is a party to. 207 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,279 The seriousness of this allegation 208 00:16:21,279 --> 00:16:23,360 requires, if not demands, an 209 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:25,199 investigation into the matter to 210 00:16:25,199 --> 00:16:27,519 determine the veracity of the claim and 211 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,199 to take appropriate action should this 212 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:32,240 board deem it necessary. 213 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,000 This is not simply my position on the 214 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,680 matter. It also happens to be the 215 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,000 position of many people in this county 216 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,440 and I believe it should be the position 217 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,480 of this board. However, it seems to be 218 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,880 the position of some that such an 219 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,040 investigation would be a waste of time 220 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,680 or a waste of taxpayer dollars that 221 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,279 there should be no such investigation 222 00:16:51,279 --> 00:16:53,279 because all of the good things that Mr. 223 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,279 Hatley has done or has attempted to do 224 00:16:55,279 --> 00:16:58,160 for the people of Stanley County. Now, I 225 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,000 agree that Mr. Hatley has done some good 226 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,519 things for the county, which is 227 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:03,839 precisely why we as a people and you as 228 00:17:03,839 --> 00:17:06,240 a board of our elected representatives 229 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,480 should proceed with an ethics 230 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,480 investigation. and upon receiving the 231 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:12,079 results of that investigation and what 232 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:14,400 it may reveal, proceed with further 233 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:17,360 appropriate action if warranted. 234 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:19,839 Because the question here is, how can a 235 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,839 search for the truth be a waste of 236 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,640 taxpayer dollars or a waste of anything 237 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,199 if we say we are the party of integrity 238 00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:29,039 and truth? 239 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:31,600 Allegations like this one fuel the 240 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:33,360 suspicion of government officials, 241 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:35,840 especially in small towns and counties. 242 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,360 We hear the assertions from young and 243 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:39,280 old alike that both sides are just as 244 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,760 bad as the other. And my instinct is 245 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,000 always to counter that assertion because 246 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,480 the Republican party 247 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,080 is supposed to be comprised of people 248 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,240 who believe in principles like fairness 249 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,520 and justice and honest representation. 250 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,440 We're supposed to be better than the 251 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,600 other side. And something like this 252 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:00,160 lends to the suspicion of our republican 253 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,960 forms of government. It feeds doubt into 254 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,559 the institutions of government. It 255 00:18:04,559 --> 00:18:06,160 causes the people to doubt the promises 256 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,080 made by the political parties when they 257 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,320 say one thing and do another. And should 258 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,640 we fail to take action in this matter, 259 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,200 the trust of the public will continue to 260 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,760 erode. For all the good that a 261 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:19,520 representative may do, it only takes one 262 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,760 accusation to place doubt into the minds 263 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:23,919 of the people who see how things are 264 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:26,080 from where they stand. And in the minds 265 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,400 of the people, many people, this is just 266 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,400 one more thing that is many of them 267 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,400 disgusted with politics and our local 268 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,400 government. And when our younger 269 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,080 generations look at the political 270 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,080 parties and the people that represent 271 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,160 those parties, what do they see? 272 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,720 If any of these allegations are true, if 273 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760 any of this is true, how can we say as 274 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,400 Republicans, as Americans, that we 275 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,080 represent the party of honest and good 276 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,480 governance unless we hold accountable 277 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:56,559 our very own? 278 00:18:56,559 --> 00:18:58,559 And that's why I think it's imperative 279 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:00,960 that we as Republicans, as honest 280 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,240 Americans, take this seriously, initiate 281 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,480 an investigation, get to the bottom of 282 00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,720 this in a thorough and forensic manner, 283 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,440 and let the truth prevail, and then take 284 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:12,880 the appropriate action to hold our 285 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,679 elected officials accountable or to 286 00:19:15,679 --> 00:19:17,840 vindicate the elected representative and 287 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,240 proclaim it to the people to assure them 288 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,520 that justice was indeed done. 289 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,679 For whatever I or others may think of 290 00:19:25,679 --> 00:19:28,799 any representative, Mr. Hatley deserves 291 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:31,760 the opportunity to be vindicated if this 292 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,640 is the truth and certainly the people of 293 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,360 Stanley County deserve it and we should 294 00:19:37,360 --> 00:19:40,240 see to this as soon as possible. Thank 295 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:41,039 you. 296 00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,360 >> Thank you, sir. 297 00:19:43,360 --> 00:19:45,200 Uh, next one I have is Mr. Gerald 298 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,720 Honeyut. 299 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:51,039 I think this is also a rezoning case. 300 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:52,880 >> Okay. Okay. All right. Thank you. That's 301 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,160 the only ones I had to sign up for 302 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,430 public comment. Are there anyone else? 303 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,480 All right. Thank y'all very much. 304 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,480 All right. This time we'll go to our uh 305 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,320 scheduled agenda items. The first item I 306 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:09,919 have is a retirement award presentation 307 00:20:09,919 --> 00:20:11,840 for Mr. Robin Honeyut and Department of 308 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:14,880 Social Services. Miss Honeyut, you here? 309 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:36,230 Come on up. Let's go down. 310 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:37,520 How are you? 311 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,559 >> Good. Don, did you want to say anything? 312 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,000 first 313 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,120 after? 314 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:44,960 >> Okay. 315 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,679 >> All right. Come on up, Miss Honeyut. 316 00:20:47,679 --> 00:20:49,840 Uh, Miss Robert F. Hunico is a dedicated 317 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,919 public servant who has spent over three 318 00:20:51,919 --> 00:20:53,440 decades with the Stanley County 319 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,919 Department of Social Services. Three 320 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:58,320 decades. Wow. A graduate of North 321 00:20:58,320 --> 00:20:59,600 Stanley High School. We won't hold that 322 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,240 against you. U the daughter of James and 323 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,640 Mary Flowers. Robin is a lifelong member 324 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,960 of the community she has served so 325 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,520 faithfully. She is also a proud mother 326 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,360 of her son Cody. We definitely won't 327 00:21:11,360 --> 00:21:14,240 hold that against you. Um, Robin began 328 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,320 her career in 1995 as the income 329 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,080 maintenance case worker in the Medicaid 330 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,640 unit. Her commitment to excellence led 331 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,640 to steady advancement, serving as a 332 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,640 Medicaid uh lead worker in 2014, a 333 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,440 supervisor in 2018, and eventually a 334 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,919 program administrator of economic 335 00:21:31,919 --> 00:21:34,559 services in 2024. Beyond her 336 00:21:34,559 --> 00:21:36,320 administrative role, she also has been 337 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,600 very active voice on numerous community 338 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,679 committees, tireless working to support 339 00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:44,000 local children and families. Her impact 340 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,799 is immeasurable, having helped countless 341 00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,720 residents navigate critical needs, 342 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:50,960 including health insurance, food 343 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,840 securities, and essential community uh 344 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,240 resources. Known for her kindness and 345 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,320 steady, calm leadership, Robin has been 346 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,480 a cornerstone of the social service 347 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,400 department. While her presence will be 348 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:03,919 greatly missed, we celebrate her 349 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:06,000 remarkable career as she retires 350 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,720 September 11th this morning. 351 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,520 >> Congratulations. 352 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:20,310 >> Thank you. 353 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,480 » We have a little gift for you presented 354 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,240 to Robin. Honey for faithful and 355 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,679 dedicated service to the citizens of 356 00:22:25,679 --> 00:22:27,840 Stanley County. On this occasion of a 357 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,440 retirement, we extend our sincere 358 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,200 appreciation for your services and wish 359 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:32,720 you even greater achievements and 360 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,559 rewards in the future. Presented this 361 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:36,159 eighth day of September. 362 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:36,640 >> Thank you. 363 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,600 so much. 364 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:39,520 >> Not a warm flock. Yeah. 365 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,360 >> Hallelujah. 366 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,480 Looking forward to the alarm clock. 367 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,000 >> So then I have an additional 368 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,799 presentation. I am honored to present to 369 00:22:48,799 --> 00:22:52,559 you the order of the longleaf pine uh 370 00:22:52,559 --> 00:22:54,720 which is the one of the highest awards 371 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,559 given by the governor of North Carolina 372 00:22:56,559 --> 00:22:58,559 and it's given for exemplary service to 373 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:00,880 the state of North Carolina and its 374 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,000 communities. Um Robin has a proven 375 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,400 record of exemplary service and her 376 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,039 lifelong commitment to service in our 377 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:11,600 community. She's um there are a number 378 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,760 of noteworthy uh recipients of this 379 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,159 award including Maya Angelo, Billy 380 00:23:16,159 --> 00:23:18,559 Graham, Michael Jordan, Andy Griffin, 381 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,200 Dale Nhart, and so Robin definitely 382 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,120 deserves this award with her over 30 383 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:24,880 years of service to Stanley County and 384 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,640 its community. 385 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:34,149 >> CONGRATULATIONS. 386 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,320 » Would you like to say anything? 387 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,510 >> NO. 388 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,679 BUT THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. Thank 389 00:23:41,679 --> 00:24:02,870 you very 390 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960 » That's a remarkable achievement. So 391 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,110 thank you so much, Miss Honey. 392 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:12,159 Next item is a recognition of service. 393 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,400 Our presenter is Elizabeth Kashmir, EDC 394 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:19,350 director. Hey, Elizabeth. How are you? 395 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,960 » I'm doing great. How are you? 396 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,720 >> Great. 397 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,480 >> Well, good evening, Mr. Chairman and 398 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,480 members of the board. I've long thought 399 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,559 that we need a step stool up here, and 400 00:24:28,559 --> 00:24:30,480 I'd have to continue advocating for 401 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,960 that. Uh, thank you for allowing me to 402 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,799 come before you tonight to honor some 403 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,520 special people to Stanley County and 404 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,200 friends of the economic development 405 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,440 world statewide. Tonight, I have the 406 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,039 honor of presenting the recognition of 407 00:24:43,039 --> 00:24:45,360 service to both Mr. Larry Balkam and Mr. 408 00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:47,120 Charles Brown for their dedication to 409 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,960 the economic development efforts of this 410 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,640 county for 23 years. I heard a rumor 411 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,919 that these two men were appointed to the 412 00:24:55,919 --> 00:24:57,679 Economic Development Commission together 413 00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:00,000 and made a personal vow that they'd stay 414 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,600 until the other decided to call it 415 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,279 quits. Well, here we are 23 years later. 416 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:06,799 Stanley County would not be where it is 417 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,960 today without both Charles Brown and Mr. 418 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,120 Larry Balkam. I'd like to start by 419 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:12,720 telling you just a glimpse into Mr. 420 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,960 Balkam's contributions. Um, and then 421 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,039 I'll follow with Mr. Brown's and welcome 422 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:20,000 them up together at the end. As an 423 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,919 elected official, Mr. Balkam has served 424 00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,559 the city of Locust City Council for 26 425 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,320 years. Perhaps one of the most 426 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:27,919 significant achieve a achievements is 427 00:25:27,919 --> 00:25:30,159 that he was a founding member of Locust. 428 00:25:30,159 --> 00:25:32,320 Along with other dedicated citizens, Mr. 429 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,080 Balkam collected the signatures needed 430 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,400 for the official municipal incorporation 431 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,039 for the city of Locust. As a volunteer, 432 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:40,720 Mr. Balkam has served in countless 433 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,960 leadership roles in Stanley County. He 434 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:44,480 served on the Stanley County Economic 435 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,400 Development Commission for 23 years and 436 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,320 has been a key stakeholder in securing 437 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,320 new industry and expansion in Stanley 438 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,400 County, most recently where his 439 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,159 relationship with company ownership was 440 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:55,840 a contributing factor that led to the 441 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:57,440 relocation of Charlotte Pipe out of 442 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,240 Charlotte into Stanley County. 443 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,080 Mr. Balkam has dedicated the better part 444 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:03,840 of his life to service in Stanley 445 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,919 County. As a business owner and a 446 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:07,679 dedicated dedicated member of the 447 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:09,039 community, he has made countless 448 00:26:09,039 --> 00:26:10,880 contributions to the citizens of Stanley 449 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,880 County as well. Whether it's recruiting 450 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,640 new companies and industries in his role 451 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,480 with the EDC, supporting local 452 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,480 businesses with the Chamber of Commerce, 453 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,640 advocating for fiscal responsibility and 454 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,360 sustainable growth in Locust, or selling 455 00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,279 reliable vehicles to the community. Mr. 456 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:27,279 Balkam is always looking out for San 457 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,840 County and its residents. Please join me 458 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,440 in a round of applause for thanking Mr. 459 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,960 Larry Balkam for his service to the 460 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:42,070 Economic Development Commission. 461 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,000 Next, Mr. Charles Brown needs no 462 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:45,919 introduction in Stanley County or 463 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,159 statewide. He probably knows everyone in 464 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:49,760 this room, but I'd like to take a minute 465 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,520 to tell you some of his impact here in 466 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,919 Stanley County. Like his father, 467 00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:55,919 grandfather, and great-grandfather, 468 00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:58,159 Charles Brown is a native of Albam Marl 469 00:26:58,159 --> 00:27:00,480 in Stanley County. He attended the 470 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,080 public schools in Stanley County and 471 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:03,760 thereafter attended the University of 472 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,760 North Carolina having received the 473 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,320 prestigious Morehead scholarship. Long 474 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,240 active in community organizations and 475 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,159 affairs, Charles Brown has served as 476 00:27:12,159 --> 00:27:14,400 president of the United Way, served as 477 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,559 both a member and then for six years as 478 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:18,320 chairman of this on the Stanley County 479 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960 Board of Education. He has served both 480 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:22,559 as a member and most recently the 481 00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:23,919 chairman of the board of the Rural 482 00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:26,559 Infrastructure Authority, RAIA, under 483 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:27,840 the North Carolina Department of 484 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,080 Commerce. Additionally, he serves as a 485 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:31,679 member of the board of the of Golden 486 00:27:31,679 --> 00:27:34,240 Leaf Foundation. Both Raia and the 487 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,919 Golden Leaf Foundation have made 488 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,240 significant contributions to Stanley 489 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,320 County's economic development efforts 490 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,799 and have spent millions of dollars in 491 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:44,799 the development of industry, sites, and 492 00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,120 infrastructure here in Stanley County. 493 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:49,039 He enjoys golf, travel, and if you know 494 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:50,880 anything about Charles, you know how 495 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,960 much of a UNCC basketball fan he is. 496 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,720 even attending games with the Secretary 497 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,559 of Commerce and our governor who he is 498 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,600 on a firstname basis with regularly. 499 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:00,960 Please join me in a round of applause 500 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,480 and thanking Mr. Charles Brown for his 501 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:10,710 23 years of service to the EDC board. 502 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,640 I'd like to please invite these two 503 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200 gentlemen up to the podium to receive 504 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:33,990 this honor. 505 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,919 I keep saying that thank you really is 506 00:28:35,919 --> 00:28:37,919 not enough, but I truly mean it. We 507 00:28:37,919 --> 00:28:39,679 would not be where we are as a community 508 00:28:39,679 --> 00:28:41,840 today without both of you. So, thank you 509 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:48,630 very much both Mr. Balkam and Mr. Brown. 510 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:49,679 Thank you sir. 511 00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:50,720 >> Thank you. 512 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,480 >> Is it appropriate to share a few? 513 00:28:52,480 --> 00:29:04,630 >> Absolutely. 514 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,559 Elizabeth, board members and 515 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,360 friends of economic development in 516 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,909 Stanley County. 517 00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:18,640 Thank you. Thank you for letting me 518 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,440 stand beside Larry Balkam 519 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,399 and join you all in honoring him for the 520 00:29:26,399 --> 00:29:28,960 conspicuous service and leadership that 521 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,720 he has shown to Stanley County that I 522 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,960 have witnessed personally over the last 523 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,200 23 years. 524 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,480 He has been my seatmate for 23 years. 525 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,240 Charles, couldn't you find any better? 526 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,080 Nobody else would have you along the way 527 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,799 or somewhere. No, I wanted to uh stay 528 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,399 right there and Larry and I were 529 00:29:50,399 --> 00:29:54,240 together. We've had many fine members on 530 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:59,360 the economic development commission during these 531 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,480 years and we have had very very solid 532 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,440 leaders just as we have now. This is one 533 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,399 of the most non-political boards I have 534 00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:11,120 ever served on 535 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320 appointed by a political body in the 536 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:15,840 county. 537 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,840 I hope you will be mindful of the need 538 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,960 to have balanced political 539 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,600 individuals serving on such important 540 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,600 boards as an economic development 541 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,600 commission. We need to be able to reach 542 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,159 into all corners of government with 543 00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:33,600 members of the board. 544 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,200 While Larry and I have served on the 545 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,720 board, our goal has been 546 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:45,510 do do what is best for Stanley County. 547 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,360 We talked about it from the beginning 548 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,960 that we would emphasize at least two two 549 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,480 important 550 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,039 parts of service. One would be 551 00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:56,720 preparation. 552 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,200 The other one would be participation. 553 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,159 And here we are 23 years later. 554 00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:09,279 We had a few years off of CO, but I I 555 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:14,240 count Mr. Lawan that that's close to 210 556 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,399 meetings that we have served. 557 00:31:18,399 --> 00:31:22,559 I have missed five or six meetings in 23 558 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,679 years. Larry Balkan has missed fewer 559 00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,640 than than I have. between meetings. 560 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,880 We've worked together, 561 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,000 in his office, and my office early in 562 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,480 the morning, late at night, many, many 563 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,440 times on behalf of of Stanley County. 564 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,840 So, we join together in conveying our 565 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,919 thanks to the 566 00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,640 county commission, to our county 567 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,480 manager, 568 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,679 to staff, to director. 569 00:31:55,679 --> 00:31:58,399 We continued to work for the county. I 570 00:31:58,399 --> 00:32:00,320 know what he has been doing over the 571 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,279 last few weeks. I've worked with him. 572 00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,440 I too have continued and will continue 573 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,480 on several key projects working on for 574 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,430 the county. 575 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,320 From the beginning, neither of us has 576 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,320 expected any any recognition. 577 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,799 Mr. Chairman, that is that is not 578 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,600 necessary. 579 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080 All we have ever wanted to do was to 580 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,990 serve. 581 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,559 We've done our best. 582 00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:43,669 Thank you, 583 00:32:43,679 --> 00:32:46,399 Mr. Brown and and Mr. Balkam. Uh Stanley 584 00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:48,559 County is a much better place with you 585 00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:50,880 two guys in it. And I know when Locust 586 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000 was formed in 1869, Larry wasn't there. 587 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,360 But in 1974 when is incorporated, Larry 588 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440 has been a big part of Locust and he has 589 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,200 and he continues to be. So thank you 590 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,519 guys for from the bottom of our heart on 591 00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:06,000 what y'all have done for Stanley County. 592 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,080 We certainly appreciate it. Mr. Balkan, 593 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,279 would you like to say something, sir? 594 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:11,600 >> It would be hard to follow Mr. Charles 595 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,000 Brown. So, I'm not even going to try, 596 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,320 but I'd just like to say that uh it's 597 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,320 been a pleasure and we don't either one 598 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,640 aim to quit at this particular time. We 599 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,399 just might not serve on the board, but 600 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:28,159 anytime we can be of service to anyone, 601 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:30,480 uh just let us know. The other thing 602 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,600 that makes me feel real good is when you 603 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,640 hold a position for a while, who follows 604 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,720 in your footsteps? 605 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,600 And I'm proud to say that Mr. Rody Dow 606 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,760 follows in my footsteps and so we're 607 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,559 expecting bigger and better things. 608 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:48,159 Thank you all. 609 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:48,960 >> Thank you, Mr. 610 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,909 >> Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. 611 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:57,919 » Uh I want to say to Charles and Larry, 612 00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:02,559 uh you know that the wages you got paid 613 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,480 didn't make you a millionaire. And I 614 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279 want the citizens to understand they 615 00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,520 don't get paid to serve on this board. 616 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,159 and they have done a tremendous job. 617 00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,960 I've worked with both of them during the 618 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,919 tenure that I've been on the board as a 619 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:22,720 EDC member and I appreciate the fact 620 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:26,960 that y'all show up and y'all make things 621 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,720 happen. Thank you, 622 00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:31,520 >> Mr. Long. There have been a few changes 623 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,960 in the in uh the years that we've served 624 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,320 together. Initially we uh after the 625 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,119 board meeting went as a board to a local 626 00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:44,879 steakhouse here and had had uh had had 627 00:34:44,879 --> 00:34:48,560 dinner together. That was very nice. Uh 628 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,399 coming through the years we tried to be 629 00:34:50,399 --> 00:34:53,440 good stewards of of the uh county's 630 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,280 money and I want you and everyone to 631 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,119 know that we don't go to the steakhouse 632 00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,280 anymore. We have a cold ble bottle of 633 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:04,150 water and a bag of peanuts. Any 634 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,119 anything else more? 635 00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:07,920 >> Thank y'all. 636 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,000 >> Thank you. 637 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,320 >> Another change. 638 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000 I was an inch taller and weighed 15 lbs 639 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,720 less when we started. I've lost an inch, 640 00:35:18,720 --> 00:35:21,200 gained 15 lbs. I used to have brown 641 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,359 hair. I don't anymore. That's That's 642 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,359 enough. Thank you, sir. We appreciate 643 00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:32,069 you, guys. 644 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,320 All right. Next item is item C, public 645 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,160 hearing, adoption of the comprehensive 646 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,680 uh transportation plan. And our 647 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,000 presenters, Mr. Lee Snugs of the Rocky 648 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,480 River Rural Planning Organization. 649 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,599 Mr. Snugs. Come on up, sir. You have 650 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:47,040 some distinguished folks with you from 651 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,560 NC DOT. I see. Yes, sir. 652 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:51,760 >> Good evening, board. Thank you for 653 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,880 taking time to see it this evening. 654 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:54,640 Hopefully, this will be a a quick 655 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,480 discussion. I brought of course Roger 656 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440 Castillo and Timo I can't get your last 657 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,079 name right 658 00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:02,880 >> and Michan I'm sorry both great guys but 659 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,800 they're here from Raleigh for DOT. I 660 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,040 think the last meeting we presented the 661 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,079 results of the finalized uh 662 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:11,440 comprehensive transportation plan for 663 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:12,880 Stanley County and we're seeking 664 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,280 adoption tonight. So we are open for 665 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,400 questions and u uh the public hearing of 666 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,640 course. So but that's u that's where we 667 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,880 stand as of now. 668 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,400 Yeah, and we don't need to go through 669 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,160 the whole presentation if y'all don't 670 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,240 want to. It's the same one as last time. 671 00:36:28,240 --> 00:36:30,160 So, more than anything, if you guys have 672 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,240 any questions for us prior to adoption, 673 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,040 please let us know. Um, you know, as we 674 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,560 mentioned before, this plan has been 675 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,280 going on for about 2 years or so. 676 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:40,640 Recently, we've gotten approval from 677 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,040 every municipality in Stanley County. 678 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,599 So, um, and and lastly, we come here to 679 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,599 the county for for adoption for this 680 00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,160 plan. So, um, but nothing has really 681 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,680 changed since the last presentation. I 682 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,000 think we just uh adopted in locus. I 683 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,280 think that was our last one and they 684 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,599 just had a minor um wording adjustment 685 00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,040 for one of their recommendations. But 686 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,720 other than that, everything is the same 687 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,400 as we presented last. 688 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,240 >> I think we have a couple commissioners 689 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:07,119 that have some questions. So, uh, Vice 690 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,079 Chairman, if you 691 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:10,400 >> I do have a question, and I asked this 692 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:13,599 the last time y'all were here, and I've 693 00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,760 had people say, "I don't understand 694 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,359 that." 695 00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:20,160 Coming up 24273 696 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,240 from the river, 697 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,839 there's a turn lane that goes into the 698 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:27,200 ABC store, but there's no turn lane that 699 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,680 goes into Bulks or Audi's grocery store. 700 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,720 And uh one of your folks, one person 701 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:36,800 said they'd check into it. Well, I 702 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,839 hadn't heard back. Why? You know, why 703 00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:45,839 the ABC store, but not Bel and Audies? 704 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:47,520 That's my question. 705 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,280 >> I forget the gentleman's name who was 706 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,680 the project manager for that. But 707 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,240 believe me, we've heard that's that 708 00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:55,920 intersection has been the bane of our 709 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,839 existence pretty much since since they 710 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,880 but it it is a footage linear footage 711 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,400 situation. It's by because you have so 712 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:05,839 many feet that you're trying to have 713 00:38:05,839 --> 00:38:07,520 cars, 714 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,440 you know, if they're trying to make a 715 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,079 left turn to go back and and switch 716 00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,320 lanes or switch, you know, cross the 717 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,079 road in cross the median. So it it just 718 00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:20,880 um nothing against the ABC store or 719 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,359 those who venture in there, but it was 720 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:25,040 just that's just the way it worked out 721 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,200 in in the numbers. I mean, and I know it 722 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:27,839 looks bad. 723 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,320 >> So they chose the ABC store over Audi's 724 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,880 and Bel. 725 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,400 >> Well, it wasn't it wasn't a matter of 726 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,160 choice really. It was just that 727 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,520 regardless they they don't look at at at 728 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,839 the at what businesses were there. It's 729 00:38:39,839 --> 00:38:41,440 just the number of feet and that's where 730 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,680 it landed. And just it was again 731 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,440 wish we'd have done it different. I can 732 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:48,960 say that. I mean, 733 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,760 >> you know, and I apologize, you know, and 734 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,920 believe me, it's been brought up at 735 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,160 every meeting since that since they 736 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,240 first put the stakes out for the last 737 00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:00,960 several years, but it was just it was 738 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,560 not intended to be that way. So, but 739 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,520 that's the way it landed. 740 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,880 >> So, that was the quickest that you could 741 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,240 put a turn lane. That 742 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,720 >> pretty much exactly kind like 300 ft or 743 00:39:10,720 --> 00:39:11,040 something. 744 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960 >> Yeah. It's kind of right. you if you 745 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 have the from the roundabout to the 746 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:15,920 intersection, 747 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:19,680 >> you measures out to and it's not the 748 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,960 type of businesses, it's how many 749 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,720 businesses on each side of the street 750 00:39:22,720 --> 00:39:25,520 that determine those footages. There's a 751 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,920 formula and and if you need to see that, 752 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,760 I can bring it to you, but it is it's 753 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,320 just a bunch of they plug in the numbers 754 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,000 and it spits out how many feet supposed 755 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,720 to be. 756 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:34,960 >> Yeah. 757 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,640 >> When you're sitting at the stoplight 758 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:37,920 there at McDonald's. 759 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,440 >> Yes, sir. and you're going to turn on 760 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,880 the northeast connector after you go 761 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,400 under the stoplight and 762 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,320 >> you're in the right hand lane. 763 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,560 >> It's almost impossible to get over and 764 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:47,839 turn on the, you know, you know what I'm 765 00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:49,119 talking about. On the northeast 766 00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:50,560 connector, you have to get in the 767 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,800 left-hand lane. A lot of times it's only 768 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520 again maybe I don't know how many feet. 769 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:55,920 >> Yeah. 770 00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,320 >> But a lot of people get mad at you 771 00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,520 because you're trying to get over. I 772 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,520 guess you could go on down and turn 773 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,040 there. There is uh there's some 774 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,640 interesting things going on with that 775 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:05,440 intersection. 776 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,440 >> Yeah. I mean, same situation if you're 777 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,160 coming towards town right sorry to right 778 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,800 there at Valley Drive like go to Baden 779 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,240 you come around that curb and there's a 780 00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:16,079 little short turn lane right there I 781 00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,359 mean you almost have to stand on the 782 00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:18,880 brakes I mean so there's many 783 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,680 intersections that that we've been 784 00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,320 brought to our attention as far as along that new section of road but that 785 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,240 aren't doing what they hope they would 786 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,560 do but yes that that's been brought up 787 00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,040 as well 788 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,920 >> are this is for you guys when you put in 789 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,200 a roundabout just a one lane just 790 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,160 roughly how much what's the construction 791 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,079 cost on a roundabout 792 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,839 >> mostly it's it's a lot of time it's 793 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:46,000 rightway expenses it just depend like I 794 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,839 can give you for example 795 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:51,280 >> I I know the ones we did out there going 796 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,200 towards the airport not at Ridge Street 797 00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:53,599 the one 798 00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,280 >> pass 799 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,400 we had enough rightway I think we've got 800 00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,960 um I think the average around a million 801 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,720 depend on right away I think we got two 802 00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,800 of them put in for a million because you 803 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,960 we already the rightway on those two. It just depends. I mean, the design of 804 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,359 them doesn't is not intrinsic 805 00:41:11,359 --> 00:41:14,560 intrinsically hard because it's just a circle and pavement and 806 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,640 everything, but it's if it depends on 807 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,520 the right away. 808 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,599 >> See, we just approved a lumber company 809 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:22,160 or a BART company to build out at the 810 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,040 airport and for their trucks and they 811 00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:27,200 were going to do like 150 a day, 812 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,920 >> right? 813 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,160 >> So, for those to try to squeeze in a 814 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,240 roundabout, is that a problem for you 815 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:34,319 guys? If you'll notice, the newer 816 00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:35,920 roundabouts aren't, you know, when they 817 00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,520 first came out with them, they had, you 818 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:38,240 know, a lot of times they have 819 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,240 vegetation in them. Now, they're the the 820 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,440 edges are more are flatter. They are 821 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,839 built to accommodate. Now, they're the 822 00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:48,640 trucks won't stay probably they're made 823 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,800 to ride up on the curve, basically. 824 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,319 >> Really? So, they're supposed to go up on 825 00:41:52,319 --> 00:41:52,720 the curve. 826 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:54,240 >> They can. Yeah. Exactly. And if you'll 827 00:41:54,240 --> 00:41:55,680 notice in most roundabouts, they'll 828 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,640 have, 829 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,640 >> you know, tire marks that, you know, 830 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,240 skirt over. What about when you have a 831 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,839 railroad track and you the other side 832 00:42:03,839 --> 00:42:06,079 you can't so just like at Fifer, you 833 00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,359 know, y'all were talking about doing one 834 00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,400 at Greystone, correct? 835 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960 >> You've got a railroad track within 30 ft 836 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,640 of Highway 52. 837 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,160 >> So you're going to have to go over in 838 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,800 the church's front yard, you know, there 839 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,520 at Fifer is that can you move a railroad 840 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:20,000 track? 841 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,800 >> We cannot. that railroad and just just 842 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,400 for Hitch and most anybody worked with 843 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,880 DOT before railroads were here first and 844 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,640 that's their and as they've always you 845 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,560 know taken precedent but that's why that 846 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,160 roundabout is not going to happen 847 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,680 because it was just we were having to 848 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,560 push it you know towards the campus and 849 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,359 towards high you know power lines and 850 00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,119 everything else. So we tried to squeeze 851 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:43,119 it in but it just wasn't feasible. 852 00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:46,079 >> I think it was changed to um a turning 853 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:48,560 lane uh in the plan because of that. 854 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,880 Yeah. And I think I last time you were 855 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,680 here, I think fatalities should take 856 00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,720 precedence over congestion whenever 857 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:57,920 you're thinking about, but that's just 858 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,560 me. Yeah. 859 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,480 >> No, and I agree. And like I mentioned 860 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,480 last time, it's different pots of money 861 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,920 and and the safety ones are more 862 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,000 immediate changes. This is more long 863 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160 range. So this is looking at like a 864 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,839 different pot of money. If there's any 865 00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:12,000 safety issues, that's something that we 866 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,400 need to report immediately to be changed 867 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,599 using that those safety funds. So, 868 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:18,400 >> thank you. 869 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,880 >> So, I have a question. I'm just looking. 870 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,200 I just chose one of these plats, 871 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,000 Norwood. Uh, that's where I'm from. And 872 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,720 so, when you um I'm seeing that this 873 00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:31,440 bypass uh proposed bypass to go around 874 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,160 the town. Um it's hard for me to see 875 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,640 exactly um and maybe you can help me on 876 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,839 the road like where is that coming in um 877 00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:44,560 and out of Norwood. There is this when 878 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,280 you're going on up 52 north. I see that 879 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,359 you've gotten through town and I just 880 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,960 like would like to know the roads that 881 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,119 are close by there. 882 00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,440 >> Sure. Um I think it does use some 883 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:57,359 existing roads as well. So it goes kind 884 00:43:57,359 --> 00:44:00,400 of in and out. Um um again this 885 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,079 alignment here was one that was provided 886 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,720 by by the town at that point but nothing 887 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:07,040 here is set in stone. So there's no it 888 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,440 if for example new development and 889 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,760 things happened if this gets funded then 890 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:13,839 it would have to be re-evaluated to be 891 00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,440 adjusted and things like that. 892 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,040 >> Okay, that's what I really wanted to 893 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,920 know even more. So this so approving 894 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:21,440 this plan just allows you to move 895 00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,319 forward in the planning process and then 896 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:27,119 >> then you would find out if if people 897 00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:28,640 applicable to this, if they want this 898 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,160 and and all the other things. 899 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,160 >> Yeah. So anything that's on this plan 900 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,880 does not have any money on it. It's more 901 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,760 to kind of um show where there is need 902 00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,079 where there is uh where okay so like why 903 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,880 do we need to put you know this XYZ the 904 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,040 actual thing that goes on there could 905 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,520 completely change by the time when it does receive funding right 906 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,119 there's going to be another analysis 907 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:52,560 okay what actually needs to go through 908 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,960 here to be more public engagement to see 909 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,960 does and and and talking with any 910 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,359 municipality nearby in the county to say 911 00:44:59,359 --> 00:45:01,359 okay is this what you guys want is this 912 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,200 what you guys need and then they would 913 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,720 move forward with that. So even 914 00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,480 cross-sections that are listed on here, 915 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,480 they can change as well. Some of these 916 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,119 have um different like options, but even 917 00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:12,880 those options you could go further than 918 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,880 that. A lot of this is just the main 919 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,560 focus of this plan is the identified 920 00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,960 need. So it's like for example in a 921 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,040 certain intersection be like there are 922 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,359 you know 45 crashes here with x number 923 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,359 of fatalities. This is why we need to do 924 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:27,839 something here or there is congestion 925 00:45:27,839 --> 00:45:30,400 here. It's going over capacity by the 926 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200 year 2055. So something needs to be done 927 00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,520 here at some point. It's it and these 928 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,119 are just kind of suggestions of what can 929 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,119 be done. It's not necessarily what will 930 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:40,800 happen and it's not necessarily the same 931 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,400 alignment that will happen either if 932 00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,920 it's for example the the bypass listed 933 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,160 here around Albamaro. This is not 934 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:49,680 necessarily the alignment that it would 935 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:51,440 happen even if it does do it and it 936 00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:53,119 might not even come to a bypass 937 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:55,920 depending on what the analysis uh comes 938 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,000 once the funding happens for said 939 00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,720 project. 940 00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,240 >> Thank you for that explanation and Mr. 941 00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:02,720 Eford said it's like a a wish list. 942 00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:04,640 >> I can appreciate I mean a wish list with 943 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,520 reasons for the for the changes and that 944 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,760 makes me feel better about my vote. Um 945 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,000 and I want just for the record that 946 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,520 people know that this is that and 947 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,800 nothing is in stone. 948 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:16,880 >> Yes. Okay. And it can be amended at any 949 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,560 point. So if there's some some business 950 00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,560 that comes in and you guys don't feel 951 00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,000 comfortable with certain line or 952 00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,839 something, you guys can request an 953 00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:26,079 amendment. the the the process for that 954 00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:27,839 would be you would need to contact the 955 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:30,079 RPO and it would have to go to the 956 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,240 public again for a 30-day public comment 957 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,560 period and then for your approval and 958 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,480 then they would be changed. So as long 959 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,800 as there is valid reasoning for the 960 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,880 changes then it can be amended at any 961 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,280 point. These are um kind of re uh I 962 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:46,880 guess what's the correct term like 963 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,960 they're redone every 10 years basically 964 00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,480 but it can be amended at any point 965 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,319 within those 10 years. So there there's 966 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:54,160 no it's a very fluid plan for sure. 967 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:55,599 >> You said a comment period. Is that 968 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:56,720 online? 969 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,960 >> Um so I mean it just depends on how the 970 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,880 RPO does it. You can do surveys, you can 971 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:01,440 do online. 972 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,800 >> I remember us getting together, you 973 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,400 know, and you can do a public meeting. 974 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,800 So I guess it's online to where people 975 00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,119 would call in and say, "Hey," or right 976 00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,960 that's the way the comment period works. 977 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,319 There was a survey sent out. 978 00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:14,319 >> Yeah, we we've we've we did a survey for 979 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:17,440 this plan. Um we also did in-person 980 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440 public comments. So, like we would 981 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,440 select a location and advertise for 982 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440 people to come to said location to 983 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:24,319 provide any comments. 984 00:47:24,319 --> 00:47:25,599 >> Do you put up signs like the planning 985 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:27,520 and zoning does and say, "Hey, you've 986 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,680 got a four-lane highway coming through 987 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,480 here. You would need to contact this." I 988 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,000 mean, do you all put signs out? 989 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,839 >> That that would depend on how the RPO 990 00:47:35,839 --> 00:47:37,520 does. So, however each county, 991 00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,599 municipality, and RPO decides to 992 00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:40,480 advertise. 993 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,400 >> Yeah, we don't do that. And and if you 994 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,240 guys have any ideas on how to kind of 995 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:45,920 like spread the word, it's always 996 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:46,960 >> I would want to know if there was a 997 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,880 four-lane road proposed coming through 998 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,960 my front yard, I would definitely want 999 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,680 to know that. 1000 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:52,240 >> Yeah. 1001 00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:53,760 >> And if I was a farmer, I would want to 1002 00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,880 know if he's coming through the middle 1003 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,119 of my field. Well, well, when when when 1004 00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:58,800 like like I mentioned, when it when it 1005 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,640 does if if something like this does get 1006 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:01,920 money, right, if there's a project that 1007 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,760 does get money on this and that means 1008 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,240 that they're looking to kind of uh you 1009 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,280 know, move forward with it, any any uh 1010 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,359 any homes or any businesses that would 1011 00:48:11,359 --> 00:48:13,280 be affected would immediately get some 1012 00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,160 sort of notice by mail or or or like 1013 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:16,640 that. 1014 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,160 >> By that time though, it's probably too 1015 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,760 late, right? I mean, by the time you get 1016 00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,200 a notice that's just coming through your 1017 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:22,480 property, it's too late to change 1018 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:23,280 anything. 1019 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,720 >> No. 1020 00:48:24,720 --> 00:48:27,680 Uh, no. So, like they would get an 1021 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,079 initial notice when the before the while 1022 00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,920 the planning process is happening. So, 1023 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400 nothing would be no uh right away would 1024 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,559 be kind of like uh bought yet or 1025 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:38,319 anything like that. It's more of their 1026 00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:40,319 planning on seeing what is meant to be 1027 00:48:40,319 --> 00:48:42,160 done there. So, that's when the initial 1028 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:43,680 notice will happen. Well, I was just 1029 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,599 wondering, one of my main questions was 1030 00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:48,559 is uh maybe several property owners and 1031 00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:49,760 farmers out there and they're going to 1032 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,079 lose quite a bit of their property and 1033 00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:54,160 uh their their homes or whatever to 1034 00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:57,839 this. And uh if enough of them 1035 00:48:57,839 --> 00:48:59,359 complained that want you coming through, 1036 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,520 would that change the whole plan, 1037 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:03,440 everything, you could do that then? 1038 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,040 >> That was my main concern. It looks like 1039 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,440 it takes a lot of farmland out and a lot 1040 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,200 of homes too from some of these. I went 1041 00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,400 back and looked at it the other night 1042 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,800 and uh it looked like it's going to be 1043 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,200 do a lot of lot of changing for people 1044 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,040 and if they're not aware of it ahead of 1045 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,040 time. I mean, this is the planning 1046 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,520 stages, but I'd want to know right now 1047 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,520 if it was possibility coming through my 1048 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,280 property, so if I didn't like it, I 1049 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,960 could, you know, do something about it. 1050 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:27,200 And 1051 00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:28,960 >> and like I mentioned before, like for 1052 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:30,800 example, this bypass, it doesn't 1053 00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,400 necessarily mean that there will be one, 1054 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,800 right? So they it might even move to 1055 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,559 maybe like improving another road that 1056 00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:38,319 maybe could help the congestion within 1057 00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:41,200 Albamaro. So at this point that's why 1058 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,760 the uh we have a public uh engagement 1059 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160 more for like if there is a need for 1060 00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,880 this that's what this plan stage is for 1061 00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:51,520 if when uh when it gets submitted to 1062 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,599 prioritization right that's when it's 1063 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:55,040 kind of being submitted to compete with 1064 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:57,760 other projects for funding then Lee will 1065 00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,599 come to the municipalities and the 1066 00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,680 county to make sure that they are fine 1067 00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,480 with the um you know with any projects 1068 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,640 moving forward uh to apply for funding 1069 00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,720 but Again, that doesn't mean that that 1070 00:50:10,720 --> 00:50:12,000 will be the design that will be 1071 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,720 occurring. Then once funding is 1072 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:16,559 >> I'm just as guilty as anybody, but the 1073 00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:18,559 public hearings and stuff, you know, I 1074 00:50:18,559 --> 00:50:19,839 kind of brush it off and then at the 1075 00:50:19,839 --> 00:50:21,200 last minute, oh, I should have went to 1076 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,119 that public hearing, you know. So, uh, 1077 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:24,960 but that's probably won't be many here 1078 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,480 to speak tonight on this, but that's why 1079 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:27,839 I wanted to bring it up ahead of time if 1080 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:31,119 this was cut in stone now or what. So, 1081 00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:33,200 if it's leeway to it, that that's fine. 1082 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,119 >> Yeah. and and just as just my time at 1083 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,160 DOT and and even today there there won't 1084 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,000 be any surprises. Everybody, every 1085 00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:42,800 property owner would be well well, you 1086 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,760 know, advised. But I'll say it out loud 1087 00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,040 in every project like whe you know 1088 00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,160 roundabouts or even you know bypasses 1089 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,800 unfortunately somebody's going to some 1090 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:56,640 land's going to have to be taken. I mean 1091 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,800 or not I say not taken I mean you know 1092 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,079 everybody's going to be compensated 1093 00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:03,839 fairly but um there will be impacts. So 1094 00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:10,549 but that's unfortunately that's the price you pay for progress. 1095 00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,000 Thank you very much. Any more questions 1096 00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,790 from the commissioners? 1097 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,359 All right. At this time, I will uh open 1098 00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:22,000 up a public hearing. Anyone here to 1099 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,520 speak for or against the comprehensive 1100 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,599 uh transportation plan that's presented 1101 00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:32,790 tonight 1102 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,720 or against? 1103 00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,960 I wish we had a map that we could throw 1104 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,280 up on so people could see. 1105 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,160 >> Uh it's it's on the slides right now. 1106 00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,119 Okay, there you want me to 1107 00:51:45,119 --> 00:51:46,480 >> that's that's all of Stanley County. 1108 00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,079 >> Yeah, this is all of Stanley County. And 1109 00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,760 like I mentioned, we went through every 1110 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:55,599 municipality to get their approval and they approved these as well. 1111 00:51:55,599 --> 00:51:57,599 >> All right, hearing none, I will close 1112 00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,880 the public hearing. 1113 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:09,910 Uh what's the pleasure of the board? 1114 00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,440 I I'm kind of skeptical and I've talked 1115 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,599 I would like if it'd be okay to to 1116 00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:17,119 reschedule this maybe for another 1117 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,240 meeting just table it for a while. Um 1118 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:21,680 that's not going to put any pressure on 1119 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:22,640 you guys. 1120 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,079 >> Um I I think we're looking to approve uh 1121 00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:28,640 on the next uh RPO meeting. So and that 1122 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:29,920 one's not until what? 1123 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:30,400 >> November. 1124 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,240 So if you'd have us at next 1125 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,240 meeting We put that on our next our 1126 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,040 October. 1127 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,240 >> Okay. Yeah, we can do that. 1128 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:37,119 >> Okay. 1129 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:38,160 >> Yeah. 1130 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,480 >> Our next uh meeting is October 5th. 1131 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:43,440 >> So, 1132 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,599 >> oh, and uh feel free to email us with 1133 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,280 any questions or give us a call if if 1134 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,800 there's anything that comes up uh 1135 00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:49,440 between 1136 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,440 >> you got a motion. Yeah, I'd like to make 1137 00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,800 a motion to table it to our next 1138 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:53,040 meeting. 1139 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,960 >> All right. I have a motion to table the 1140 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,400 U CTP until our October the 5th meeting. 1141 00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,119 Do I have a second? 1142 00:52:59,119 --> 00:52:59,760 >> I second that. 1143 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,119 >> I have a second. Any discussion? 1144 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:05,359 All those in favor say I. 1145 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:07,599 >> Oppos. Motion carries. Just want to make 1146 00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:08,640 sure everybody knows. 1147 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,160 >> Yeah, that's fine. No problem. And like Roger said, we're available in 1148 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,960 person or virtual. I mean, we can meet 1149 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,280 individually or as with the whole board 1150 00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:17,920 anytime. 1151 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,800 >> Yep. 1152 00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,119 >> Thank you. 1153 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,119 guys. Appreciate it. 1154 00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:24,000 >> Our next item is item D, Westley Middle 1155 00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,000 School addition uh budget amendment for 1156 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,760 design expenses. And our presenter is 1157 00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,150 Mr. Excuse me, Dr. Dennis. 1158 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,640 Welcome Dr. Dennis. Good to see you 1159 00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:47,990 guys. 1160 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:49,599 » Thank you, Chairman Eron, uh, members of 1161 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,480 the board. Um, so you were gracious 1162 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,440 enough to approve funding, help us build 1163 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,200 an addition to Westley Middle School, 1164 00:53:57,200 --> 00:53:59,520 which is severely over capacity. I have 1165 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:01,119 the most updated proposal from our 1166 00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:03,839 architect. Um, these architectural fees 1167 00:54:03,839 --> 00:54:07,359 are also included and um, you guys have 1168 00:54:07,359 --> 00:54:09,040 to approve a budget amendment. So, the 1169 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:10,240 county manager asked me to come to 1170 00:54:10,240 --> 00:54:13,359 present. Do you have any questions? 1171 00:54:13,359 --> 00:54:17,599 >> All right. Any questions for Dr. Dennis? 1172 00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:19,680 >> You said updated proposal. So, the 1173 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,319 architect has changed the floor plans. 1174 00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:25,040 >> No, no, I'm sorry. The the amount you 1175 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,839 guys approve up to was about $72,000. It 1176 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:29,359 went down a little bit. So they updated 1177 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:29,760 all their numbers. 1178 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,079 >> I'm sorry. I'm Forgive me. Yeah. 1179 00:54:32,079 --> 00:54:33,200 >> The 700 and what? 1180 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,000 >> About $72,000. I have the exact number. 1181 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,079 >> 700. That's for the design. 1182 00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:39,839 >> Yes. For everything for the cost of 1183 00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:41,200 services you see on page two 1184 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,400 >> for them to design a new or you said an 1185 00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,800 updated floor plan. 1186 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,040 >> No sir. They just updated the they 1187 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,280 updated the number that I I gave you a 1188 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,800 number of 702 roughly. 1189 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,319 >> Right. So the price went up. 1190 00:54:54,319 --> 00:54:55,599 >> No, the price actually went down. 1191 00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,520 >> Came down. Well, that's good. Yeah. And 1192 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,400 so that the 1193 00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:00,319 >> $194,000 now is what? 1194 00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:04,470 >> That's correct. Yes, sir. 1195 00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:05,359 » All right. 1196 00:55:05,359 --> 00:55:08,400 >> We got a 1.4 1197 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:17,270 million. 1198 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:21,200 » The total cost of the additional is 12 1199 00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,599 million. Is that right? 1200 00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:25,599 >> So you guys approved up to 12.2, too. 1201 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:30,630 But on this proposal, it's 10,333,000. 1202 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:31,760 » So it went down too. 1203 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:32,720 >> Yeah. 1204 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:34,240 >> Wow. So 1205 00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:36,079 >> not to exceed 12.2 million. 1206 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:38,400 >> That's correct. Yes. 1207 00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:38,800 >> Yeah, 1208 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:39,359 >> that's true. 1209 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:40,559 >> Got to be built first. 1210 00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,640 >> So the design does not come out of the 1211 00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,160 construction money. 1212 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,400 >> We're get you you're saying there was 1213 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,119 about 1.5 million that was reimburseable 1214 00:55:49,119 --> 00:55:51,520 from the state I believe on the 12.2 2 1215 00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,359 million and about a half a million of 1216 00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:55,280 contingency in the original approval 1217 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,680 that you had. 1218 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,200 >> Do y'all have a lot of change orders 1219 00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:00,640 where they come in and say, "Hey, we 1220 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,720 found out there's something and we're 1221 00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:04,880 going to have to charge you more because 1222 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,880 we've got to move this pipe or we've got 1223 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:07,359 problems." 1224 00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:08,880 >> Well, you've got contingency money built 1225 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:09,440 into it. 1226 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,000 >> You do? 1227 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:10,559 >> Yes. 1228 00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,559 >> Okay. So, you won't I'm not saying you 1229 00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:14,000 don't you know, so you won't be coming 1230 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:15,599 back and say, "Oh, man. We we forgot 1231 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:15,920 something." 1232 00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,359 >> We didn't the last project, so we hope 1233 00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:18,000 not to. 1234 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:22,240 >> Great. That's great. Any 1235 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:24,400 more questions? 1236 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,280 You know, I'm not 1237 00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,319 Please understand that it's not our 1238 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:34,799 money. The money what we represent the 1239 00:56:34,799 --> 00:56:39,839 people and the money that is presented, 1240 00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:41,440 they're going to hold us accountable. 1241 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:42,000 >> Mhm. 1242 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:42,880 >> And they're going to hold you 1243 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:43,839 accountable, 1244 00:56:43,839 --> 00:56:45,359 >> but they'll hold us accountable first. 1245 00:56:45,359 --> 00:56:46,559 They say, "Well, you know, you you 1246 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:48,000 appropriated this money and I know you 1247 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:48,640 know all that." 1248 00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:52,079 >> Yeah. if you know we try to study or 1249 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:55,280 research something I just want to you 1250 00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,040 know see if somebody there's a lot of 1251 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,400 things going on there's a lot of times 1252 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,880 people can come in and I've seen this 1253 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,040 you know I I teach you know construction 1254 00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,119 I teach architecture and floor plans and 1255 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:06,559 stuff and there's a lot and I'm not 1256 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:08,640 saying people's dishonest but I just 1257 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:12,160 want the reason that we try to 1258 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,280 have time say a month to look at 1259 00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,599 something and know uh it just helps 1260 00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:21,200 to to be able to say, "Okay, this is 1261 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:22,720 good. This is a good company. This is 1262 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,240 good." I know you not got that far, but 1263 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,960 that's if you if we struggle, it's I 1264 00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,079 just I just want you to know it's not 1265 00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:28,880 our money. 1266 00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:29,359 >> Mhm. 1267 00:57:29,359 --> 00:57:29,839 >> Okay, 1268 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:33,359 >> I understand. Thank you. 1269 00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:36,640 >> Any other questions? 1270 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:37,920 >> Hearing none. What's the approval? I 1271 00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,160 mean, what's the uh pleasure of the 1272 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,480 board? 1273 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,359 >> Mr. Chair, I'd like to make a motion uh 1274 00:57:43,359 --> 00:57:45,359 that we approve the proposed budget 1275 00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:47,359 amendment for the addition at Westley 1276 00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:48,960 Middle School. All right. Thank you, 1277 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,480 Commissioner Crump. I have a motion. Do 1278 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,000 I have a second? 1279 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,839 >> Second. I'm sorry. 1280 00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,160 Commissioner King. Any other questions 1281 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:01,589 or discussion? 1282 00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:03,359 » Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 1283 00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:03,760 >> I. 1284 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,599 >> Oppos. Motion carries. Seven. 1285 00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:06,240 >> Thank you. 1286 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,559 >> Thanks, sir. Uh don't go nowhere. You're 1287 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:11,440 up again. School system needsbased uh 1288 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,440 school capital fund grant application. 1289 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:14,240 >> Yeah, we've uh 1290 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:14,720 >> match. 1291 00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,079 >> Yeah. Thank you. We've applied for these 1292 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,400 before. This is just the Oakbra project. 1293 00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:20,160 Uh very similar to the project that was 1294 00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880 on the last one. And um of course 1295 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,559 there's a match from the county of about 1296 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:28,240 2.1 million uh on 42 million. So that 1297 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,559 puts it at 441. 1298 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:33,599 Um again much the same really updated a 1299 00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,119 couple things and updated the pictures 1300 00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,559 because we did fix that wall on the 1301 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,400 front. So any questions on that? 1302 00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:41,680 >> Shows here that your application 1303 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,200 deadline is October 2nd. Is that 1304 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,160 >> Yeah, it's coming that fast. 1305 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,319 >> Yeah, it is. Mr. Chairman, I do have a 1306 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:46,559 question. 1307 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:47,680 >> Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 1308 00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:51,839 >> The uh per square foot price went up. 1309 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:52,799 >> That's correct. 1310 00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:57,119 >> Is this uh I think it's like $450 a 1311 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:58,000 square foot. 1312 00:58:58,000 --> 00:58:58,880 >> I have to go back. 1313 00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:00,559 >> I believe it was driven by concrete 1314 00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:02,720 prices, Mr. Law. That's the architect 1315 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,359 reference. 1316 00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:07,440 >> Is Is that a 1317 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:11,280 Is that just a budget price or could it 1318 00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,040 possibly come in less than 450? a square 1319 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:15,920 foot. 1320 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:17,359 >> I guess it could really come either way 1321 00:59:17,359 --> 00:59:18,799 depending on a lot of stuff, especially 1322 00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:22,160 with the prices of steel, concrete like 1323 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,640 Mr. Liss mentioned, you know, of course 1324 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,640 it but it looks like the price of 1325 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,079 building just keeps going up too. 1326 00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,319 >> The architect did reference to the board 1327 00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,480 uh recently on the price of concrete 1328 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,079 that there is some risk out there of 1329 00:59:34,079 --> 00:59:37,040 that price escalating. I can't recall 1330 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:38,400 exactly right off the top of my head 1331 00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,760 what that risk was. Uh but in within 1332 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,839 that construction industry there is some risk for escalation there 1333 00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:47,520 and there's substantial concrete within 1334 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,680 the building. 1335 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,760 >> The deadline is October 2nd. When do you 1336 00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,680 look to hear something yes or no on 1337 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,000 that? 1338 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,640 >> Usually you'll hear by November. So yeah 1339 00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,000 it's it's it's fairly quick 1340 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,599 >> but you're probably looking at 2028 1341 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:02,720 before 1342 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,280 >> so on the application there's a if it 1343 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,880 were approved today the commissioners 1344 01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,119 approved it. We went to bid in May, 1345 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:10,799 started construction I think next 1346 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:12,960 August. We're in 2030. So, we're three 1347 01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:14,559 and a half years out from today. 1348 01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:16,720 >> Okay. All right. Thank you. 1349 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:17,680 >> Any more questions? 1350 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:19,119 >> Yeah. One. Go ahead. 1351 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,599 >> Um, is the $44 million is that a real 1352 01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,280 number or, you know, we're going to get 1353 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,880 in this thing and it's going to be $65 1354 01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,640 million and who covers that difference? 1355 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,319 I mean, understand the county's got a 5% 1356 01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:30,240 match, but who's going to be on the hook 1357 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,920 for the the remainder of that's what 1358 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,760 worries me. Well, the numbers going to 1359 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,280 really um that'll be the depending 1360 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,200 variable on what you're looking how 1361 01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:40,799 you're looking to build it. So, that 1362 01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:42,240 would constrain and of course there 1363 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,839 could be talk with the county if we 1364 01:00:43,839 --> 01:00:44,960 wanted to build a certain way. Would you 1365 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,040 want to put in money? But, you know, 1366 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,440 it's a lot of money and you know, it'll 1367 01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,270 get you it'll get you far. 1368 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,280 » And we again, we won't know until we 1369 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,520 really start getting numbers. You get 1370 01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,799 into the design phase, that's when you 1371 01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:00,480 start learning price. Like, what do you 1372 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:01,839 want your building to look like? you 1373 01:01:01,839 --> 01:01:04,160 want a Taj Mahal, you want this kind of 1374 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:04,799 building. Do 1375 01:01:04,799 --> 01:01:06,079 >> you get to the design phase though 1376 01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:09,200 before you commit to the money or how 1377 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,480 does that work? I mean, will we get to 1378 01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,240 say, "Yay, we don't want to do that or 1379 01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,160 >> Yeah, you you'll get into design and 1380 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,040 then yeah, 1381 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:17,680 >> yes. 1382 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,079 >> Yeah, there have been counties who 1383 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:21,440 reverted the money before for whatever 1384 01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,839 reason. Um, it doesn't look good, of 1385 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:25,200 course, as you would know, but 1386 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,359 >> I think this, you know, going back to 1387 01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:30,880 last year, uh, Mr. King uh the 44 1388 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,040 million which I think was 43 last year 1389 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:39,359 roughly uh is gets the classrooms that are needed there um to accommodate 1390 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:42,400 it kept the old gym uh and renovated 1391 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,160 that. So there's some there were some 1392 01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:46,319 versus the original application proposal 1393 01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:48,480 that came to the commissioner board. Uh 1394 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,720 this is more of a bare bones facility 1395 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:54,079 than you know previous but the county 1396 01:01:54,079 --> 01:01:58,319 would have the the option at any time to 1397 01:01:58,319 --> 01:02:01,760 uh add or take away any features of the 1398 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:04,480 school but uh to our understanding the 1399 01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,640 this project cost as presented two years 1400 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:13,349 in a row is is very feasible. 1401 01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:14,960 » It'll be a new Oakboro school under 1402 01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:16,559 renovation onto the existing gym for 1403 01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,160 community use. 1404 01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:19,760 We looking to tear the whole the old 1405 01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,839 school down completely and then 1406 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:22,640 >> be a replacement. 1407 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,040 >> Replace it. 1408 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,200 >> Demolition cost included. 1409 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:28,559 >> She's supposed to have all this cost in 1410 01:02:28,559 --> 01:02:29,119 there. Yeah. 1411 01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,599 >> Yeah. Demolition, uh, furniture, 1412 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:33,200 contingencies, 1413 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:34,960 uh, a lot of the planning cost, the 1414 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,119 surveying, a lot of the everything was 1415 01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:40,240 built in. So unlike Anson County that 1416 01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,559 built a school and forgot to furnish it, 1417 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,960 um, those types of forethought are put 1418 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,599 into the proposal. 1419 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:50,000 You said 3.5 years that 1420 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,040 >> Yes, sir. 1421 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,960 >> stuff will be more expensive then if it 1422 01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,040 keeps going. I hope it goes down but you 1423 01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:57,520 know maybe gas will go down. Uh the 1424 01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,920 previous request on a needsbased grant 1425 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,480 in the past three years. So we don't 1426 01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,960 have another meeting. We we have to 1427 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,359 decide tonight. So we really don't we're 1428 01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,200 going to have to give you a decision 1429 01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,480 tonight. And if if there it's like my 1430 01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,480 students I try and I'm not fussing at 1431 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,079 you. Please don't think I'm fussing. It 1432 01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,240 would help me if I had just a little bit 1433 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:21,520 of more time and you know to come in and 1434 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:23,599 not and just look and say okay this is 1435 01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:24,960 good just like we tabled that last 1436 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,880 thing. If y if there's any way possible 1437 01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:28,960 way that you think that and I we need 1438 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:31,359 this money no question if there's any 1439 01:03:31,359 --> 01:03:33,359 possible way that you can make a 1440 01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:36,079 presentation say two months earlier so 1441 01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:37,839 that we can get you know you know what 1442 01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:39,039 I'm saying the problem is the 1443 01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:40,559 application doesn't come out it it does 1444 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:41,599 not give you much time 1445 01:03:41,599 --> 01:03:43,440 >> it it opened August 17th 1446 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,640 >> you know what's going by the time they 1447 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:45,760 prepared the application 1448 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,119 >> that's going to happen next year right 1449 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:48,559 >> yeah but they ch they tweaked something 1450 01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:50,160 like this year they tweaked it to where 1451 01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,720 if you're if you focus on CTE that's 1452 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,400 another thing that can help you like if 1453 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,160 you make one of CTE type 1454 01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:57,680 >> state has changed it every year. 1455 01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,680 >> So they give you two weeks to come up 1456 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:00,799 with a 1457 01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:02,319 >> they'll give you a heads up toward the 1458 01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:03,839 end end of July that it's coming 1459 01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:04,400 >> end of July 1460 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:05,920 >> and then they'll release it. 1461 01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:07,599 >> By the time this application come out, 1462 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:08,880 it would not have been feasible to have 1463 01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,160 the application at your announce 1464 01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,760 meeting. We'd had to call a special call 1465 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,280 meeting. Y'all have the August meeting. 1466 01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:14,720 >> Y'all have called spe special call 1467 01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:15,359 meetings in the past. 1468 01:04:15,359 --> 01:04:17,119 >> All I'm saying is it would really help 1469 01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:18,799 us if we could just see it just a little 1470 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:20,960 bit earlier instead of, you know, right 1471 01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:24,079 now we got to decide. Uh oh. 1472 01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:24,799 >> Go ahead, Mark. 1473 01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:26,720 >> I I got a question. I think it was last 1474 01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,160 year we applied for the needsbased 1475 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:29,520 grant. Is that correct? 1476 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:30,960 >> And I think you came at about the same 1477 01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,400 amount, 44 1478 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:34,160 >> for the Oak facility. Yes. 1479 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:36,799 >> And I thought that was also including uh 1480 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:39,359 additions to Weston Middle School. 1481 01:04:39,359 --> 01:04:43,200 >> And and so now now that's completely 1482 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,000 separate. That's another 12 million. But 1483 01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,359 um 1484 01:04:47,359 --> 01:04:48,880 >> what I'm concerned about is 1485 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,079 >> $2 million grant, sir. 1486 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:51,280 >> I'm sorry. 1487 01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:53,280 Last year, the commissioner board 1488 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:57,520 approved a $54.6 million project uh 1489 01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,760 which was applying for a $42 million 1490 01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,359 grant for Oakboro. 1491 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:04,319 >> Uh and the remaining 12.6 I believe it 1492 01:05:04,319 --> 01:05:06,720 was for um West Middle. 1493 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:09,039 >> West West Middle and that included 2.6 1494 01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:10,960 allocated a 5% match by the 1495 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:15,200 >> We only approved I think made off. 1496 01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,119 >> And um of course it didn't matter 1497 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:18,240 because you didn't get the grand. 1498 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:20,160 >> It was 54.6. I pulled it before the 1499 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,000 meeting. That was what was approved by 1500 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,520 the commissioner board for the grant 1501 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:24,160 application 1502 01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:25,520 >> because you able to loop in. 1503 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,440 >> I think Mr. Lahan made the motion to 1504 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,960 drop it to 25 million and 1505 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,200 >> is a $52 million grant. What we were 1506 01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,760 trying to do last year um was take 1507 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:37,920 advantage uh to pocket for the taxpayer 1508 01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:40,240 an extra $10 million by combining two 1509 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,200 projects. So each year the state comes 1510 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:45,359 up with their stipulation such as this 1511 01:05:45,359 --> 01:05:47,920 year it's around CTE. So, we're we're 1512 01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,000 taking the approach with the STEM school 1513 01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,079 and the application to wrap that in 1514 01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,319 there amongst all the other needs. Uh, 1515 01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:56,559 but last year with the West Middle 1516 01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:00,319 edition and the Oak Elementary School, 1517 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,559 because we were combining two, we could 1518 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,520 go for the middle school grant uh at 52 1519 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,720 million. Uh, and that's why your board 1520 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:12,000 approved 54.6. So, it's 52 plus 2.6 from 1521 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:15,760 the local taxpayer. That's a 5% match. 1522 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,160 Uh this year we since commissioner board 1523 01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,480 approved 12.2 million I believe it was 1524 01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,799 in June for the middle school uh we 1525 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:25,680 don't have that option. So we go down to 1526 01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,319 um the the lower of the three which is 1527 01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:30,240 the elementary school grant at 42 1528 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:31,920 million. If we were going for a high 1529 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:37,029 school uh that would be 62 million. 1530 01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:40,559 » This is basically what we approved of to last year. 1531 01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:42,400 >> Yes ma'am. But it's taking the the 1532 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,760 Westland Middle School out of the 1533 01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,200 equation because we're already funding 1534 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:45,760 that. 1535 01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:46,319 >> Yes, ma'am. 1536 01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:47,839 >> And it drop it drops you down 10 1537 01:06:47,839 --> 01:06:48,079 million. 1538 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:49,359 >> Drops you down to the small to the 1539 01:06:49,359 --> 01:06:50,319 lesser of the grants. 1540 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:50,799 >> That's correct. 1541 01:06:50,799 --> 01:06:51,119 >> Okay. 1542 01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,039 >> Mr. Law Hunt, uh could I ask you a 1543 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,200 question? Didn't last year you make a 1544 01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,680 proposal for a maximum of 25 million 1545 01:06:57,680 --> 01:07:00,000 maximum grant on that. 1546 01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,000 >> I don't recall that. 1547 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:02,799 >> I like 1548 01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:06,240 >> you. You might you might be recalling 1549 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,520 something that I did, but 1550 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,520 >> we had a special call meeting in here. 1551 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:11,680 >> 25 million. I think it was instead of 1552 01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:12,799 the 52. 1553 01:07:12,799 --> 01:07:13,359 >> Uh-uh. 1554 01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:14,559 >> That's two years ago. 1555 01:07:14,559 --> 01:07:15,119 >> No, 1556 01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:17,440 >> that was last year reduced, but it 1557 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,000 wasn't. It was still 1558 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,839 >> the full amount for the middle school 1559 01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:23,359 and it was a lesser amount for the 1560 01:07:23,359 --> 01:07:25,039 Westland because initially the Westley 1561 01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:27,280 Middle was going to be like 25 million 1562 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:31,039 and we we had that reduce that amount um 1563 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:33,520 to really scale back the scope of that 1564 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,440 which they ultimately did and that's 1565 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,760 what you approved 12.2 2 and back in 1566 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,000 June the middle school the elementary 1567 01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,319 school has always been 42 1568 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:45,200 >> will continue to be a choice STEM school 1569 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,920 when it's if it the new one 1570 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:48,720 >> yes no 1571 01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,720 >> uh it's been discussed as the board to 1572 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,960 combine both uh very much like Indie 1573 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,480 where you have the choice option but 1574 01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:56,079 you've got to district in I mean that's 1575 01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,799 sort of the key is is districting in the 1576 01:07:58,799 --> 01:08:00,960 growth um we've got Aquedale where 1577 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,039 Oakboro is districted to that's that's 1578 01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:03,839 over 90 1579 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:04,960 >> I'm not talking about the growth I'm 1580 01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:06,319 just wondering will the school continue 1581 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:07,119 to be a STEM. 1582 01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:08,240 >> They'll have that option. Yes, sir. 1583 01:08:08,240 --> 01:08:09,520 >> It's written in here to have a STEM 1584 01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:10,400 focus. 1585 01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:12,079 >> So, that means anyone from the county 1586 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:13,680 can come and put their child in that 1587 01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,599 school if they need that certain 1588 01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:17,520 program, right? Well, you might have to 1589 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:18,400 cap the program. 1590 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:19,120 >> Yeah. Sure. 1591 01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:19,440 >> Yeah. 1592 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:20,799 Yeah. 1593 01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:23,040 >> I'd like to ask middle school option. 1594 01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:23,679 >> What's that, sir? 1595 01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:25,040 >> Will it be K5? 1596 01:08:25,040 --> 01:08:25,679 >> Yes, sir. 1597 01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:27,839 >> So, it'll drop the middle school option. 1598 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:29,440 >> That's what the board has discussed so 1599 01:08:29,440 --> 01:08:32,159 far. So, it it's the the elementary 1600 01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:35,279 crowding of under the K3 class size law 1601 01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:36,880 has been the ongoing issue at the 1602 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,719 elementary level in this county. Um 1603 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:42,640 that's, you know, nothing has been 1604 01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,199 decided or voted on to by the board as 1605 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,600 far as K8 or um 1606 01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:48,880 >> but if you take this money, does it 1607 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:50,239 stipulate that you have to drop the 1608 01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,159 middle school out of that? 1609 01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:52,719 >> No, 1610 01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:53,520 >> it does not. 1611 01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:54,159 >> No. 1612 01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:54,640 >> Okay. 1613 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,319 >> No. 1614 01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:58,719 I' I'd like to 1615 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:01,120 not to my knowledge don't mean much but 1616 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,679 uh I'd really like somebody to consider 1617 01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:05,279 reopening Rich School. That would 1618 01:09:05,279 --> 01:09:07,520 alleviate a whole lot of problems and I 1619 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:08,799 think we could do it a whole lot cheaper 1620 01:09:08,799 --> 01:09:11,040 than what you guys are talking about. 1621 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,440 >> Well to address that I think everyone on 1622 01:09:13,440 --> 01:09:15,279 the board continues to discuss Ridgerest 1623 01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:17,199 and that's always an option. just 1624 01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:19,679 referencing back to our 2022 and 2025 1625 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:22,480 demographic studies 1626 01:09:22,480 --> 01:09:25,759 oper with the growth of Locust Stanfield 1627 01:09:25,759 --> 01:09:30,480 that area um is situated to really 1628 01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:32,799 capture all of that and to alleviate 1629 01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:34,960 some of the elementary crowding that we 1630 01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,279 have from that area. Um you got to think 1631 01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:39,359 between the two studies 22 to 25 1632 01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:43,040 Stanfield grew 25% in enrollment. Um 1633 01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:45,279 they are all busting at the seams. Uh 1634 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:47,600 India is is approaching I think they 1635 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,560 were around 89 90% when I looked at the 1636 01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:51,679 numbers recently. 1637 01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:53,120 >> That's what you're talking about that 1638 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,560 bridgerrest would help alleviate a lot 1639 01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:55,760 of that because you got a lot of those 1640 01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,239 kids used to school in 23 years. I think 1641 01:09:58,239 --> 01:09:59,679 a lot of construction's definitely 1642 01:09:59,679 --> 01:10:00,960 needed in the county and a lot of 1643 01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:02,480 renovation and hopefully this is just 1644 01:10:02,480 --> 01:10:04,159 the start of it. 1645 01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:05,920 What question about the number of 1646 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,120 students which has something to do with 1647 01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:13,040 this but not entirely 1648 01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:15,360 understand the total number of students 1649 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,080 enrolled 1650 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,640 78 and a few is that correct 1651 01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:24,640 >> it's like 86 1652 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,040 almost 87 86 and some change 1653 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:31,360 >> we got 78 I want to say 7820 1654 01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:34,159 at our last EDC meeting 1655 01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:36,960 >> and we ask please clarify that because 1656 01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:37,199 yeah 1657 01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,920 >> if that is the number of students 1658 01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,520 systemwide 1659 01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:44,480 >> then we decline by about four or five 1660 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:45,600 600 students 1661 01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,640 >> we decline by a little bit but not much 1662 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,080 we're about the same we were last year 1663 01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,000 >> it's really a demographic shift Mr. 1664 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,719 Lawhan, we lose student in my experience 1665 01:10:54,719 --> 01:10:56,400 on the board, we lose students in the 1666 01:10:56,400 --> 01:11:00,480 northern end. Um, and really every end 1667 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:03,120 to to an extent except for the western 1668 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,679 end and uh South Almarl. Uh they 1669 01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:09,280 >> I understand the over capacity at 1670 01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:10,560 Western 1671 01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:15,600 >> Stanley School, but we're under capacity 1672 01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,239 at the Albam Mall 1673 01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:21,920 and Northern South Stanley 1674 01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:28,719 and you know comes back to my mind could we or at some point are you all 1675 01:11:28,719 --> 01:11:31,520 going to do some redistricting? We had 1676 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,159 8671 and that was with prek. 1677 01:11:36,159 --> 01:11:38,480 >> Uh to directly answer your question from 1678 01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:40,800 a board perspective, uh Mr. Lawan, 1679 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,040 that's continued to to to be looked at. 1680 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,000 This board looked at it last year. Um 1681 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:48,880 the remarks from in the study from the 1682 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,199 demographer were we're very much like 1683 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:56,080 Union County used to be where we're on the the cusp of not being able 1684 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,159 to keep our uh feeder patterns. So, for 1685 01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,719 example, um there has been talk by some 1686 01:12:02,719 --> 01:12:05,679 board members of of uh you know, 1687 01:12:05,679 --> 01:12:08,880 redistricting the indie area to to the 1688 01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,080 southern end. Um that was, you know, an 1689 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,040 option provided by the demographer. 1690 01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:17,920 Um but you're exactly right that there 1691 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,560 are a lot of buildings uh out of the 23 1692 01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:22,480 across the county that that are under 1693 01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:25,120 capacity. Um, and with the demographic 1694 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,239 shift, it it begs other topics of 1695 01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,199 conversation, and that's one of them. 1696 01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:34,960 >> Is it true that the uh district, y'all 1697 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:37,440 know where Berles Square is, right? You 1698 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:38,719 know, there's a creek down below, you 1699 01:12:38,719 --> 01:12:42,480 stay on 2427, you go down. Uh, do those 1700 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:47,040 students go to Indie or they don't they don't go to Air City Schools, 1701 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:47,199 right? 1702 01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:48,159 >> There's some students up near First 1703 01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:50,400 assembly to go to Indie. Yeah. And also, 1704 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:51,440 and you probably don't remember this, 1705 01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:53,360 but the old air mall road drive-in. 1706 01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:55,199 You're familiar with that. Y'all 1707 01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:56,400 probably That's good that you're not. 1708 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,719 That's good. You got me on that. 1709 01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:00,000 >> As you're going up the hill on West 1710 01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:00,880 Main, 1711 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:01,440 >> okay. 1712 01:13:01,440 --> 01:13:06,400 >> Uh, do the students there go to West or 1713 01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,560 go to Indie and places? 1714 01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,159 >> I mean, I I can pull the lines and look 1715 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:10,480 at it. 1716 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:12,159 >> Okay. I've got that. And they do. 1717 01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:12,560 >> Okay. 1718 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:17,199 >> I think I've got Yeah, they do. Uh, why 1719 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:20,480 would students from Alamar that deep go 1720 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,640 to the West Stanley schools? 1721 01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:25,040 >> Why would Sir, I would never have to 1722 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:25,840 drew the lines. 1723 01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:26,320 >> I'm sorry. 1724 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:27,679 >> I was not here when they drew those 1725 01:13:27,679 --> 01:13:28,320 lines. 1726 01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:29,600 >> Okay. 1727 01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,800 >> I'm not trying to not answer your 1728 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:30,960 question. 1729 01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,440 >> No, there's there's been lots of options 1730 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,440 uh Mr. Mills presented by the 1731 01:13:35,440 --> 01:13:38,320 demographers. Um, 1732 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,400 and it's a matter of whether the board, 1733 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,159 the county wants to keep clean feeder 1734 01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:45,679 patterns as as we stand now. Uh, or if, 1735 01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,600 for example, 1736 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,840 folks that live in Indie would, some may 1737 01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,960 go to Almar Middle, some may go to South 1738 01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,800 Middle. Um, again, the county is is on 1739 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,760 that cusp, right? um according to the 1740 01:13:59,760 --> 01:14:01,440 professionals and that's something the 1741 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:02,960 county has to decide and that will 1742 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:05,280 certainly be decided after my time but 1743 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,960 um it is in the studies and has been 1744 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:08,239 discussed in public meetings. 1745 01:14:08,239 --> 01:14:09,679 >> I was just wondering that it takes 5 1746 01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:12,000 minutes to go to the Arma school but 1747 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,000 it'll take as much as 20 25 minutes to 1748 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,840 go to the school that they're attending. 1749 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:16,880 >> Yeah, they're they're old district 1750 01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:18,400 lines. I mean I don't disagree with you 1751 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,719 at all. I I think it brings up a greater 1752 01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,360 you know uh conversation I think that 1753 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,440 Mr. Lawa might may be referencing and I 1754 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,760 think you're saying without saying is uh 1755 01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,760 with the demographic shift and a lot of 1756 01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:32,159 buildings under capacity. 1757 01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,480 If we're being fiscal conservative uh 1758 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,640 minded for the taxpayer then there 1759 01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,120 should be some discussion on uh how do 1760 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,679 we not have so many buildings that we 1761 01:14:41,679 --> 01:14:43,760 need to maintain and reach other 1762 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,520 buildings at capacity and that would 1763 01:14:45,520 --> 01:14:46,800 involve redistricting. 1764 01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,960 >> I know about West Stanley Middle School 1765 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,719 they have 10 classrooms in that 1766 01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:53,040 renovation. Is that right? 10 classrooms 1767 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,520 is proposed. Just 10. That's already too 1768 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,679 small. If we build it today, it wouldn't 1769 01:14:57,679 --> 01:15:01,280 be enough room. And a a school when you 1770 01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:04,320 if you tear down an outside wall and 1771 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,480 connect to it, you have to go in and 1772 01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:08,640 update. Just like in here, you know, see 1773 01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,360 the water sprinklers, everything. If you 1774 01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:14,800 tear a wall down and build onto it, you 1775 01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,800 have to go in and change everything up 1776 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:21,120 to code. But if you build adjacent and you know, you got to think about 1777 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,360 student security. If you build adjacent 1778 01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,600 to it and don't tear out that exterior 1779 01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,360 wall, you don't have to update it. You 1780 01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:29,199 only have to update what you're doing. 1781 01:15:29,199 --> 01:15:30,880 So that's what happened to the Y. The Y 1782 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:32,880 is tearing down a wall. They're adding 1783 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,000 on. It took over almost $2 million just 1784 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:39,280 to update and get as water sprinklers. 1785 01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:42,320 And see, if y'all can if your architect 1786 01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,159 will do it and your principal knows more 1787 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:45,440 about that school and I'll tell you 1788 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,280 somebody else, the janitor knows I 1789 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,120 would. And I said, 'You need they need 1790 01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:52,320 to be with that architect, your janitor 1791 01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,960 or custodian and the principal, they 1792 01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,719 need they're there every day. They 1793 01:15:56,719 --> 01:15:59,199 breathe the air. They they're the ones 1794 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,600 that live there. The students do, too. 1795 01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:03,280 And I know y'all do that. I know you do. 1796 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,280 I'm a teacher. I know you do. And I know 1797 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,719 that's why you have a great passion for 1798 01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:10,480 it. I was just telling you and and you will have to you have a covered 1799 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,560 porch, but you will not have to take 1800 01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:14,880 that money and update all the fixtures 1801 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:16,159 and everything else that's in that 1802 01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:18,800 building like the Y did. It's just 1803 01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,520 cheaper. I'm I'm always looking for not 1804 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,679 cheaper, but you know what I'm saying. 1805 01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:25,440 Appreciate I know that they can't even 1806 01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,800 go to the bathroom and change the 1807 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:28,800 classes. You know that, Mr. Dennis. They 1808 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,640 when they change classes, there's so 1809 01:16:30,640 --> 01:16:32,800 many and they have restricted bathrooms 1810 01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,280 that they have to stagger their rooms so 1811 01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:36,719 that the kids can go to the bathroom 1812 01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:39,199 because they don't have but like four 1813 01:16:39,199 --> 01:16:41,679 fixtures. So they can't when they ring 1814 01:16:41,679 --> 01:16:43,360 the bell and everybody changes classes. 1815 01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:44,880 They can't ring the bell for seventh 1816 01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:46,719 grade, eighth grade, and sixth grade. 1817 01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,040 They have to ring ring the bell so that 1818 01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,400 the sixth graders can go to the bathroom 1819 01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:51,600 because there's not enough room for 1820 01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:52,640 everybody to go to the bathroom. They're 1821 01:16:52,640 --> 01:16:53,679 standing in line and they're late for 1822 01:16:53,679 --> 01:16:55,199 class. Well, and that's been thought 1823 01:16:55,199 --> 01:16:57,440 about in the addition as well. And 1824 01:16:57,440 --> 01:16:58,640 without for all intents and purposes, 1825 01:16:58,640 --> 01:16:59,600 that school was weren't really built to 1826 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:00,800 be a middle school, and that's run into 1827 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:02,719 some of the problems, too, cuz the 1828 01:17:02,719 --> 01:17:04,560 classrooms that have the bathrooms in 1829 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,440 them, and when you get that age, you 1830 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:06,080 don't use the bathroom. 1831 01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,600 >> I'm not trying to tell you how to do. I 1832 01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:09,440 just know if you don't connect onto that 1833 01:17:09,440 --> 01:17:10,719 next building, I mean, you got you have 1834 01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:13,280 a breezeway, you have it's cheaper, less 1835 01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:14,719 expensive, I should say. 1836 01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:16,480 >> I think somebody else had a question. 1837 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:18,000 >> Dustin, I'm just encouraged that y'all 1838 01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:19,760 are talking about the redistricting. 1839 01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:21,679 Maybe conversations are going. I think 1840 01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:23,360 there's a lot of people that would be 1841 01:17:23,360 --> 01:17:25,600 encouraged by that conversation. 1842 01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:27,760 >> I don't think that's 1843 01:17:27,760 --> 01:17:28,800 >> Yeah. I mean, they're all tough 1844 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,480 decisions, I think, for for any board 1845 01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:32,960 member regardless of your purview. But, 1846 01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:35,520 um, there are some tough decisions I 1847 01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:36,719 personally believe that have to be made 1848 01:17:36,719 --> 01:17:37,600 in the county. 1849 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:38,960 >> Yeah. And some people just say, why 1850 01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:40,080 don't you move this line, that line? You 1851 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:41,600 got to look at your population density. 1852 01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:42,719 Moving a line, 1853 01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:44,239 >> without these grants, 1854 01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:47,040 >> all this is dead in water. So, we we we 1855 01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,600 moved. 1856 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,400 >> And that's a great point, Mr. cuz you 1857 01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,719 know I'm a fiscal conservative. I I want 1858 01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:54,640 the taxpayer to pay as least as possible 1859 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:57,199 to get the maximum amount out of it. But 1860 01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,520 the need doesn't go away from a county 1861 01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,040 perspective even if we don't get the 1862 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,280 grant. Uh and even if we did, we're 1863 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,280 looking at 2030. I think Mr. Mills 1864 01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:06,640 referenced the middle school being at 1865 01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:08,239 capacity and we looked at a larger 1866 01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,600 option. Um and it just felt it was going 1867 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,560 to be larger than the high school. Um 1868 01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,480 but where the growth is uh there's a lot 1869 01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,000 of conversations that have to happen 1870 01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,960 between the buildings uh and between re 1871 01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,840 where the lines are sitting. Um and and 1872 01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,520 somehow between the state and the 1873 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,280 county. We we have got to begin to 1874 01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:30,719 addressing this over the next two 1875 01:18:30,719 --> 01:18:33,360 decades. Uh cuz we're a little behind on 1876 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:33,760 it. 1877 01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,920 >> And they need science labs at West 1878 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,239 Middle. And when you put a permanent 1879 01:18:38,239 --> 01:18:40,080 fixture just like these chairs out here, 1880 01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,239 you can move them. You can put more 1881 01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:45,360 students in a room where the the the 1882 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:47,120 chairs move, but if you put permanent 1883 01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:49,520 fixtures like a auditorium, you can't 1884 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:50,719 get as many students because those 1885 01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:52,080 chairs won't move. And when people start 1886 01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,239 going to the exits trying to get away 1887 01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,560 and just like in a a biology room, they 1888 01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:59,040 need a sink. They need Brunson burners 1889 01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:00,800 and and that that room can't be as big 1890 01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:02,880 and it can't hold as many students. But 1891 01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,280 we need to hold students. So I what is 1892 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,520 it 700 feet for middle school? I mean 1893 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,600 ballpark you got to have 700 square 1894 01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:11,199 feet. Is that 1895 01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:12,159 >> 700 feet? 1896 01:19:12,159 --> 01:19:14,159 That's how much a classroom 1897 01:19:14,159 --> 01:19:14,960 >> for a room. Oh, 1898 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:15,600 >> yeah. For a room. 1899 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,280 >> Well, DPI, they've gone higher than that 1900 01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:19,360 now. DPI, what they recommend and what 1901 01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:20,400 you can build are two different things. 1902 01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:20,880 It's just 1903 01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:22,719 >> Yeah, it depends if it's a elementary or 1904 01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:23,199 middle school. 1905 01:19:23,199 --> 01:19:24,080 >> They want higher than that. 1906 01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,640 >> Yeah, cuz the bodies are You can't have 1907 01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,560 kindergarteners and first grade and 1908 01:19:28,560 --> 01:19:31,199 second grade climbing steps. So, you got 1909 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,120 to have a level. They can't go up steps. 1910 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,080 I know that. 1911 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,440 >> Yeah. The little kids cannot go up 1912 01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:37,679 steps. That's correct. 1913 01:19:37,679 --> 01:19:39,920 >> All right. Thanks, sir. 1914 01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:43,120 Commissioners, anything else? 1915 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:49,030 >> All right. What's pleasure board? 1916 01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:51,600 » We're going to submit the grant 1917 01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:52,159 >> 5% 1918 01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:53,760 >> for the for the needs space grant. 1919 01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:54,000 >> Yes. 1920 01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:54,400 >> Yeah. 1921 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:56,480 >> What's our total? 1922 01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:58,719 >> We would have to pay 2.1 1923 01:19:58,719 --> 01:20:02,640 >> 2.1 to get if they're approved to get 1924 01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:04,000 >> 44 1925 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:08,640 >> 42 million And your 2.1 makes it 44.1, 1926 01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:09,600 right? Okay. 1927 01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:11,520 >> 2 million1 1928 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:12,800 county. 1929 01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:14,239 >> It's a 5% match. 1930 01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:15,520 >> 5%. 1931 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,400 >> I'm going just This is just me again. I 1932 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,320 don't see if we're going to pay $2 1933 01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:23,920 million to get $40 million. 1934 01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,080 And it's not a loan. Now, we don't have 1935 01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:28,239 the We haven't received it yet, 1936 01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,960 >> but I Okay. If we get the 42 million, 1937 01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:32,640 that should open up some of y'all's 1938 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,640 existing expense that we could go in and 1939 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,960 open Ridgerest possibly, right? If we 1940 01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,159 get the 42 million, 1941 01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:41,679 >> I think all options are on the table. I the board continues to discuss 1942 01:20:41,679 --> 01:20:43,760 Ridgerest and uh there's been a lot of 1943 01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:44,719 progress on that front. 1944 01:20:44,719 --> 01:20:46,560 >> This would absolutely help you in your 1945 01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:48,719 expenses to get that 42 million, then 1946 01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:51,120 you could do something even better at 1947 01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,560 Ridgerest possibly. 1948 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,880 >> Well, the 42 has to go to towards the 1949 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:57,440 project. 1950 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:57,920 >> Sure. 1951 01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:00,880 >> Yeah. Yeah, but you've got you know you 1952 01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:01,920 just like we did the 12 1953 01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:03,920 >> the school board is always welcoming 1954 01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:06,640 commissioner funds if you're proposing 1955 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,239 >> 12.5 million. So 1956 01:21:08,239 --> 01:21:10,159 >> if you have a proposal I'd love to hear 1957 01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:10,800 the motion 1958 01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:12,400 >> field west middle school. 1959 01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:12,880 >> What's that? 1960 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,480 >> Commissioner Mills was a motion in there 1961 01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:15,040 somewhere. 1962 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,480 >> Yeah, I'll make a motion 1963 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,960 in these schools. They 1964 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:22,640 some of them don't even have water 1965 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:25,280 running water at the sinks and the 1966 01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:29,679 maintenance is hard. 1967 01:21:29,679 --> 01:21:32,480 We we've got to do this for our kids, 1968 01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:34,320 our teachers, 1969 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:37,440 they we've got if this if they'll give 1970 01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:40,400 us the money and we only spend two I 1971 01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,280 mean I don't understand why we that's to 1972 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:45,360 me that's a no-brainer. That's I mean 1973 01:21:45,360 --> 01:21:46,159 I'm I'm biased. 1974 01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:47,520 >> We haven't gone to the discussion phase 1975 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:49,520 of that yet, Mr. Mills. No, I have a 1976 01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:51,360 motion on the floor. Do I have a second? 1977 01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:52,080 >> Second. 1978 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:53,600 >> All right, I have a second. All right, 1979 01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,080 now we're in discussion phase, sir. 1980 01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:58,239 Anything else? 1981 01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,080 I I'm I'm still going to push for 1982 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,960 Ridgerest. I think it's a waste. It 1983 01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:04,320 should have never been closed to start 1984 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:06,159 with, and I know there's some members on 1985 01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:07,520 that board that won't ever want 1986 01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:10,239 Ridgerest open back up. And I think 1987 01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:11,840 that's a shame. I think it's doing 1988 01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:13,679 injustice to the kids, not only to the 1989 01:22:13,679 --> 01:22:18,480 community out there. And uh not 1990 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:20,639 You know, I I think getting 42 million 1991 01:22:20,639 --> 01:22:23,920 for 1 point or 2.1 million is a deal, 1992 01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,560 but unless we look at it and spend it 1993 01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:30,000 wisely, it's no deal. And so that I I've 1994 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,880 got a hard job to decide if I want to 1995 01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,360 vote for this or not because the school 1996 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,080 system is not wanted to work with us on 1997 01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:39,440 any of the buildings that we've looked 1998 01:22:39,440 --> 01:22:41,360 at, maybe reuse for sheriff's department 1999 01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,560 or whatever. Uh I I feel like every time 2000 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,239 we try to bend over backwards to help 2001 01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:48,800 the school system, then y'all buck up 2002 01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,560 and don't help us. And so uh you know 2003 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,280 that that affects a lot of my decision 2004 01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:57,120 making is when if you don't want to work 2005 01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,280 with me, why should I work with you? 2006 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:00,800 >> You're working for the taxpayer, sir. 2007 01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,120 >> I look at all right. Any other 2008 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:04,239 questions? 2009 01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,800 >> Discussion. 2010 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:07,280 >> Yes, sir. 2011 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:08,800 >> My concern is the money. I mean, like I 2012 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:10,639 said, if you get in the 42 million and 2013 01:23:10,639 --> 01:23:12,400 you're only paying two, but look at 2014 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,000 Indie. We said started out that project 2015 01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:15,280 was going to be 3 million and I think 2016 01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,000 now it's north of 6 million. My thing is 2017 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:19,600 if you get this money and it comes back 2018 01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,600 and say it's $65 million and the county 2019 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,280 says we can't do that. That's going to predetermine probably 2020 01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:27,199 never get a chance another grant. And 2021 01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:28,400 that's what concerns me is that we're 2022 01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:30,480 not seeing the real numbers for the Oak 2023 01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,480 Elementary School that we're saying this 2024 01:23:32,480 --> 01:23:35,440 44 million, but in theory and only in 2025 01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,280 theory, but we've not seen any I don't 2026 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,120 think there's any concrete numbers to 2027 01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,040 support $44 million. My concern when you 2028 01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:42,960 tear down the old school and build it 2029 01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:45,679 back. 2030 01:23:45,679 --> 01:23:48,000 Any more discussion? 2031 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,120 All right, we have a motion and a 2032 01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:51,679 second. All those in favor say I. 2033 01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:54,320 >> I. 2034 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:56,800 >> Motion carries 52. Thank you, sir. 2035 01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:05,030 >> Thank you. 2036 01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,400 » Uh would it be okay? We're going to take 2037 01:24:06,400 --> 01:29:53,030 a fivem minute recess. 2038 01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,199 Next item is the volunteer a district uh 2039 01:29:55,199 --> 01:29:56,960 board appointments and our presenter is 2040 01:29:56,960 --> 01:29:58,400 Mr. Chester Louderder, chair of the 2041 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,480 voluntary a district board. Chester, 2042 01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:01,280 good to see you, sir. 2043 01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:02,880 >> Yes, sir. Good evening, commissioners. 2044 01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,760 And thank you for the job you do. 2045 01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,239 >> I told Bill I had some flashbacks done 2046 01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:09,520 before, right? Yes, sir. 2047 01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:10,719 >> Exactly. 2048 01:30:10,719 --> 01:30:14,159 uh bring three uh recommendations for uh 2049 01:30:14,159 --> 01:30:16,880 members of the board. Elaine Moore who 2050 01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,440 lives on Mountain View Church Road 2051 01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:24,560 Alamar and Leon Honeyut uh Stanfield and 2052 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:28,159 myself to be uh members appointed to the 2053 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:30,480 voluntary act district board. And I've 2054 01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:32,800 got a horse voice. I mo mowed yesterday 2055 01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:35,760 and I've been having to battle this for 2056 01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,880 the last little while. 2057 01:30:38,880 --> 01:30:43,910 All right. Any questions for Mr. Louder? 2058 01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,440 » What's the pleasure of the board? 2059 01:30:47,440 --> 01:30:49,840 >> All right. I have a motion to reappoint 2060 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:52,400 Chester Louder, Leon Honeyut, and Miss 2061 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:53,199 Moore. 2062 01:30:53,199 --> 01:30:55,520 >> Second. 2063 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:58,480 Any discussion? 2064 01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:00,560 All those in favor say I. 2065 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,239 >> Oppos. Thank you, sir, for your 2066 01:31:02,239 --> 01:31:03,520 willingness to serve. Motion carries. 2067 01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:04,000 Seven motion. 2068 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,320 >> Thank you. 2069 01:31:06,320 --> 01:31:09,600 get caught up here on my 2070 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,880 >> Yeah, I had to change uh this packet so 2071 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,080 big I had to change emails now. 2072 01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,400 >> All right. Now, 2073 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:24,790 hold on, Mr. Louderder. 2074 01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:26,639 » All right. Next item is voluntary a 2075 01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:28,560 district application. Again, our 2076 01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,560 presenter is Mr. Chester Louder. 2077 01:31:30,560 --> 01:31:34,480 >> Yes, sir. Uh we have a a application 2078 01:31:34,480 --> 01:31:39,440 from Jeremy W. Morgan, trustee, and the 2079 01:31:39,440 --> 01:31:43,199 property is on 44105 2080 01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:46,800 Danville Road, New London. It's a small 2081 01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:48,400 track of land, but they're wanting to 2082 01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:52,159 put it into the voluntary act district. 2083 01:31:52,159 --> 01:31:55,440 >> Okay. Any questions for Mr. L 2084 01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:57,360 >> and it comes as a recommendation from 2085 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:58,080 the board. 2086 01:31:58,080 --> 01:32:02,950 >> Okay. All right. Thank you, sir. 2087 01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,000 hearing. None. What's the pleasure of 2088 01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:04,400 the board? 2089 01:32:04,400 --> 01:32:06,239 >> I make a motion to approve it. 2090 01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:06,560 >> Second. 2091 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:08,960 >> I have a motion by Commissioner Burby 2092 01:32:08,960 --> 01:32:10,320 and I have a second by Commissioner 2093 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,800 Mills. Any discussion? 2094 01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:14,239 >> All those in favor say I. 2095 01:32:14,239 --> 01:32:15,360 >> I. 2096 01:32:15,360 --> 01:32:17,280 >> That motion carries also said Mo. Thank 2097 01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:21,590 you, Mr. L. 2098 01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,840 » All right. Next item is the grant 2099 01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:26,480 application for the West Stanley water 2100 01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:28,400 feed project and our presenter, Mr. 2101 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,480 Clinton Henson. Clinton, good to see 2102 01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:31,440 you, sir. 2103 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:33,280 >> Hey, good to see you, Scott. Thanks, Mr. 2104 01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:35,600 Chairman, commissioners. Uh, 2105 01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:37,199 >> come see you tonight to uh get approval 2106 01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:40,320 of a resolution to apply for grant funds 2107 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:41,920 for the fall funding for the viable 2108 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,400 utilities in the state revolving fund uh 2109 01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:47,040 with the state of North Carolina. Uh we 2110 01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:48,880 got word, what was that a week or so 2111 01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:50,960 ago, Andy, that they cut the funding for 2112 01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:53,120 the spring. They gave out no money at 2113 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:54,320 all this spring. So, they told us to 2114 01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,800 reapply for the fall. So, that is what 2115 01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,400 I'm here to do. And this is again for 2116 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,960 the West Waste, not wastewater, sorry, 2117 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:03,920 West Water feed project. Um, and as you 2118 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,199 know, that's to connect our current 2119 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:06,800 Millingport booster station to tie back 2120 01:33:06,800 --> 01:33:08,159 into the western part of the county for 2121 01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:10,800 a redundant second feed uh of water 2122 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,000 supply for the western part of the 2123 01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,239 county. Um, and this will be the same 2124 01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:16,239 grant we applied for back in the spring. 2125 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:18,159 Like I said, it was cut the funding and 2126 01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:19,440 we're just reapplying for the fall 2127 01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:21,840 round. 2128 01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,800 >> What was the U total on that? The total 2129 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,199 estimate for the project is 8.9 million 2130 01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:29,920 but the funds were up to up to five 2131 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:31,199 million is available. 2132 01:33:31,199 --> 01:33:32,320 >> Okay. 2133 01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:35,440 >> Any questions for Clinton? 2134 01:33:35,440 --> 01:33:36,639 >> Hearing none. What's pleasure of the 2135 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:49,430 board? 2136 01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:54,400 You're applying uh for a grant that 2137 01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:55,760 they didn't release any funds in the 2138 01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:57,520 spring. This is the fall grant. Yes. The 2139 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:58,960 same application we approved back in 2140 01:33:58,960 --> 01:33:59,360 spring. 2141 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:00,639 >> Exact same application. It's just for 2142 01:34:00,639 --> 01:34:02,080 the fall funding round instead of the 2143 01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:03,360 spring. They uh 2144 01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:04,960 >> they cut funding for the spring round. 2145 01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:05,679 The state did. 2146 01:34:05,679 --> 01:34:07,679 >> What was the cost to the taxpayers on 2147 01:34:07,679 --> 01:34:09,199 this? 2148 01:34:09,199 --> 01:34:10,560 >> There there's no there's there's no 2149 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,199 cost. This is just application for to 2150 01:34:13,199 --> 01:34:14,719 >> going to be running an adjacent water 2151 01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:17,199 line to help. This is going to be done a 2152 01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:18,639 redundant second fee for the west part 2153 01:34:18,639 --> 01:34:19,600 of county. Right now we don't have a 2154 01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,120 single fee going in. 2155 01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,360 >> Clinton, I'm um I'll make a motion to 2156 01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,440 approve the 8.9 million 2157 01:34:25,440 --> 01:34:26,159 >> for the grant. 2158 01:34:26,159 --> 01:34:28,239 >> It's for the grant. Yeah. Request for 2159 01:34:28,239 --> 01:34:28,320 the 2160 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:29,520 >> resolution involved. It's just 2161 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:30,800 >> it's a resolution to apply for the 2162 01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:31,120 funds. 2163 01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,560 >> Yes. It's just simply to apply. 2164 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,400 >> I have a motion and a second. Any 2165 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,830 discussion? 2166 01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:40,159 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 2167 01:34:40,159 --> 01:34:42,960 >> Oppos. Motion carries mo. Thank you, 2168 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:43,360 Clinton. 2169 01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:46,550 >> Thank you. 2170 01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,360 All right. Next item is 2171 01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:52,480 fiscal year 28 North Carolina Department 2172 01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:55,440 uh five, excuse me, 5310 capital 2173 01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:58,719 purchase of service grant public hearing 2174 01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,800 and the program resolution and our 2175 01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,040 presenter, Miss Pamela Sola. 2176 01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,719 >> Good evening, Chair Manford and members 2177 01:35:04,719 --> 01:35:06,639 of the board. Thank you for your time. 2178 01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:08,560 I'm here on behalf of senior services to 2179 01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:10,320 discuss funding opportunity that ensures 2180 01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,320 older adult residents remain connected 2181 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,320 for essential care. We're seeking 2182 01:35:14,320 --> 01:35:17,840 approval for $60,000 through the NC DOT 2183 01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:20,639 5310 capital purchase of service grant. 2184 01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:24,159 It's a mouthful. Um for FY28, these 2185 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:25,760 funds are dedicated specifically to 2186 01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,760 supporting transportation services for 2187 01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:30,000 Stanley County residents who are aged 65 2188 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,320 and older. Transportation is one of the 2189 01:35:32,320 --> 01:35:34,239 most significant barriers for seniors 2190 01:35:34,239 --> 01:35:36,159 when they're facing and trying to 2191 01:35:36,159 --> 01:35:37,920 maintain their independence and health. 2192 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,800 So, by combining the $60,000 grant with 2193 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:43,920 our existing HCCBG funding, we can help 2194 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,000 guarantee our older adults have reliable 2195 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,159 access to medical appointments and vital 2196 01:35:48,159 --> 01:35:50,639 aging services. Tonight, we're asking to 2197 01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:52,239 hold a public hearing to receive 2198 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:54,880 community comments regarding the FY28 NC 2199 01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:58,159 DOT 5310 grant as well as your approval 2200 01:35:58,159 --> 01:35:59,760 for the grant application and the 2201 01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,600 associated program resolution, which 2202 01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,679 officially authorizes senior services to 2203 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:06,080 pursue the transportation funding. I'm 2204 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,520 happy to answer any questions you might 2205 01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,280 have regarding this grant or our 2206 01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:10,719 transportation programs. 2207 01:36:10,719 --> 01:36:12,000 >> All right. Thank you, Pamela. Any 2208 01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:17,030 questions for Pamela? 2209 01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,960 » All right. At this time, I will open a 2210 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,560 public hearing to receive comments 2211 01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:23,920 regarding the fiscal year NC DOT 5310 2212 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:26,560 grant applications. 2213 01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:34,229 Anyone here to speak for or against? 2214 01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:35,920 Miss Bennett, I see you smiling back 2215 01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:37,920 there. 2216 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:41,040 >> I'm full. 2217 01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,639 >> All right, I will close the public 2218 01:36:42,639 --> 01:36:44,800 hearing. What's the pleasure of the 2219 01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:49,590 board? 2220 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,119 » I'll make a motion that we approve the 2221 01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:52,000 grant. 2222 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:53,040 >> All right. I have a motion by 2223 01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,320 Commissioner Mills. Do I have a second? 2224 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:54,880 >> Second. 2225 01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,119 by Vice Chair Malan. Any 2226 01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:02,390 discussion? 2227 01:37:02,400 --> 01:37:04,400 Hearing none. All those in favor say I. 2228 01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:04,880 >> I. 2229 01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:05,920 >> Oppos. 2230 01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,360 >> Motion carries. Say no. Thank you. 2231 01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:12,950 >> Thank you for your continued support. 2232 01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:17,360 » All right. Next item is a CR26-02 2233 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,840 conditional reszoning request by Jonah 2234 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:23,280 Morgan, Miss Bailey Klein. Hello Bailey. 2235 01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:24,639 >> Good evening. Hey, how are you? 2236 01:37:24,639 --> 01:37:26,960 >> Good. Well, hope you are 2237 01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,320 >> uh better than I deserve. 2238 01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:32,239 >> Okay, let's see. Let me get myself 2239 01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:35,510 situated. 2240 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,119 Mr. Chairman, members of the board, 2241 01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:39,040 thank you for having me tonight. The 2242 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:40,560 first item that I have before you is a 2243 01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,480 conditional reszoning request. And this 2244 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:45,040 is request um from Jonah Morgan. He's 2245 01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:46,719 requesting a conditional reszoning of a 2246 01:37:46,719 --> 01:37:49,119 6 acre portion of an approximately 17 2247 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:50,960 acre track that's located on Kendall 2248 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:53,040 Church Road out in New London. The 2249 01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:54,560 request is to conditionally resone the 2250 01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:56,639 property where it is currently county RA 2251 01:37:56,639 --> 01:37:58,560 which is residential agricultural to 2252 01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:00,639 county M1 which is a conditional 2253 01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:02,480 district for light manufacturing in 2254 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:04,320 order to allow for the facility 2255 01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:07,360 manufacturing metal parts and machinery. 2256 01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:08,880 I'll stay on this screen for a second 2257 01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,239 while I go through my spill and then I 2258 01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:11,360 have other maps that I'm going to share 2259 01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:13,679 with you all. 2260 01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:15,440 Um Jonah Morgan like I said is 2261 01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:16,880 requesting this conditional resentment 2262 01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,560 on this 6acre portion of what's 2263 01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:20,719 currently this 17acre track. The 17 2264 01:38:20,719 --> 01:38:22,880 acres is outlined completely in this 2265 01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:24,719 blue section right here. And this is 2266 01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:26,480 that six acre portion that's in that 2267 01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,119 yellow. This is to accommodate for a 2268 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:30,880 proposed business um that will be a 2269 01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:32,400 facility for manufacturing of metal 2270 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:34,159 parts and machinery. This parcel is 2271 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:36,719 currently vacant. Included is a list of 2272 01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:38,400 conditions that the proposed business 2273 01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:40,000 will operate under as well as a site 2274 01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:41,760 plan with the approximate locations of 2275 01:38:41,760 --> 01:38:43,920 the buildings and the driveway. The 2276 01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,679 building will be located at least 100 ft 2277 01:38:45,679 --> 01:38:47,280 from Kendall Church Road as well as 2278 01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:49,440 located at least 50 ft from the RA 2279 01:38:49,440 --> 01:38:52,159 zoning district. A proposed site plan 2280 01:38:52,159 --> 01:38:53,679 has been included and shows also the 2281 01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:55,040 location of the driveway in the 2282 01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:56,560 buildings. The location of these 2283 01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,400 buildings on site are subject to this 2284 01:38:58,400 --> 01:38:59,840 change depending on environmental health 2285 01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,600 requirements for well and septic as well 2286 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,040 as any requirements that the Stanley 2287 01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:05,040 County Fire Marshall may have for access 2288 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:07,840 of emergency vehicles. This property is 2289 01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,600 located within the rural preservation 2290 01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:12,480 area and I'll move on. Um I'll go 2291 01:39:12,480 --> 01:39:14,400 through this just a little. So this is 2292 01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,119 the RA. Um this green area you see this 2293 01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,119 is the RA zoning district and obviously 2294 01:39:19,119 --> 01:39:21,360 this is where that sits. Um and across 2295 01:39:21,360 --> 01:39:23,600 this street here is county M2 and that's 2296 01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:26,800 where the cotton gin um is. 2297 01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,639 Um the rolling hills cotton gin is 2298 01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:30,800 currently zone heavy um manufacturing 2299 01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:33,280 which is M2. The property um is about 2300 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:34,800 one mile from the countyy's secondary 2301 01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,400 growth area and approximately 1 and a 2302 01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:38,480 half mile from the town of New London's 2303 01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:40,960 ETJ. An 8-oot privacy fence will be 2304 01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:42,560 required on property lines adjoining the 2305 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,480 residential zoning district unless the 2306 01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:46,880 adjoining property owners write um a 2307 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,560 written letter saying that they prefer 2308 01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,320 not to have one. The remaining portion 2309 01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,000 of the property will stay residential 2310 01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:53,760 agricultural. Um these conditions 2311 01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,280 included have been reviewed and agreed 2312 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:57,280 upon by Mr. Morgan and the planning 2313 01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:59,040 board unanimously approved this request 2314 01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:01,520 at their August 10th meeting. Like I 2315 01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:03,360 said, this is the current zoning map. 2316 01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:04,800 So, as you can see, this lighter portion 2317 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,520 is the RA. Um this is where the cotton 2318 01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,239 gin currently is and this is where that 2319 01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:13,600 proposed um facility would go. This is 2320 01:40:13,600 --> 01:40:16,639 the um land use plan map. So this green 2321 01:40:16,639 --> 01:40:18,159 area that you see that's the rural 2322 01:40:18,159 --> 01:40:20,400 preservation area. Um this is the 2323 01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:22,159 secondary growth area here as you can 2324 01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:23,760 tell and then that primary growth area. 2325 01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,040 It's a little hard to tell on this map 2326 01:40:25,040 --> 01:40:27,360 but there is a shaded color difference. 2327 01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:29,280 And then here is New London. Like I 2328 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,440 said, they're approximately a mile from 2329 01:40:31,440 --> 01:40:34,560 the growth area and then about a mile 2330 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:36,480 and a half but as the crow flies from 2331 01:40:36,480 --> 01:40:38,719 New London. 2332 01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:40,880 This is the current site plan. Now, 2333 01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:42,800 please be aware that they would have to 2334 01:40:42,800 --> 01:40:44,800 submit an engineered site plan when it 2335 01:40:44,800 --> 01:40:46,560 came to plan review. That's for building 2336 01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,320 inspections, fire marshall, and planning 2337 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:50,560 and zoning to all review. So, it would 2338 01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,800 have to be drawn accurately to scale by 2339 01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,880 an engineer when they submitted plans. 2340 01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:56,560 Um, but a lot of times when it comes to, 2341 01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:57,920 you know, any reasonzoning requests, 2342 01:40:57,920 --> 01:40:59,600 they prefer not to obviously spend all 2343 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:01,040 of that money for a site plan that they 2344 01:41:01,040 --> 01:41:03,760 may not get to use. Um, obviously any 2345 01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,679 through traffic, anything of that nature 2346 01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:07,199 would have to be approved by the Stanley 2347 01:41:07,199 --> 01:41:09,119 County Fire Marshall. Um, so that is 2348 01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,560 also subject to change. The property has 2349 01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:14,800 been looked at by a soil scientist, but 2350 01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,800 it has not gotten a proper perk test 2351 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,400 done by environmental health. So the 2352 01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:19,840 location of the buildings may change 2353 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,280 depending on that but from my 2354 01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,760 understanding from the sole scientists 2355 01:41:23,760 --> 01:41:25,199 it is good so soul so they don't 2356 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:27,360 necessarily see an issue um with the 2357 01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:29,600 proposed layout. You can see where that 2358 01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,520 vegetative buffer would be and then 2359 01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:33,520 obviously the main building as well and 2360 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,800 future expansion of the buildings. 2361 01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:39,040 These are the conditions um that are 2362 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,960 currently attached to this resoning. So 2363 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:42,480 the only allowed use of the facility 2364 01:41:42,480 --> 01:41:44,080 would be for the manufacturing of metal 2365 01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,159 parts and machinery. Um, on that I'd 2366 01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:47,840 like to add that the applicant John 2367 01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:49,760 Morgan, he does work for the cotton gin 2368 01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:51,920 across the street also. So, he would 2369 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:53,760 also be performing work for them as 2370 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,840 well. The manufacturing facility shall 2371 01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:57,840 be confined to only the 6acre portion of 2372 01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:00,159 the property that has um that is 2373 01:42:00,159 --> 01:42:01,440 requested to be resone to the 2374 01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:03,600 conditional M1. There shall be no more 2375 01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,119 than one building on the property not 2376 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:07,440 exceeding 12,000 ft and two additional 2377 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,840 buildings not exceeding 8,000 square ft. 2378 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,360 The building shall be located at least 2379 01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,920 100 ft from Kindle Church Road and 50 ft 2380 01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:15,520 from all other conditional district 2381 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,920 boundary lines. There shall be an 8-ft 2382 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:19,360 privacy fence constructed along all 2383 01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:21,040 adjoining residentially zoned property 2384 01:42:21,040 --> 01:42:23,040 in lie of a vegetative buffer and this 2385 01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:25,040 will be required unless written notices 2386 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:26,639 submitted from the adjoining property 2387 01:42:26,639 --> 01:42:28,560 owners that they prefer no privacy 2388 01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,600 screening. 152 ft wall sign will be 2389 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:33,440 permitted that can be illuminated. They 2390 01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:36,320 preferred not to have um roadside 2391 01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:38,400 signage um because they prefer more so 2392 01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,560 to be hidden than right on the road from 2393 01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:42,560 my understanding. All outside lighting 2394 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,320 for the building will be will be cut off 2395 01:42:44,320 --> 01:42:45,679 style fixtures and that just means that 2396 01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:47,600 it won't illuminate the sky. The any 2397 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:48,800 lighting that they do on the outside of 2398 01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:50,880 the building will only shine down and 2399 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:52,719 there will be one parking space per 2400 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,560 employee per employee, excuse me, plus 2401 01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,040 four additional parking spaces. These 2402 01:42:57,040 --> 01:42:58,960 are the conditions that were approved at 2403 01:42:58,960 --> 01:43:00,480 the planning board meeting. Obviously, 2404 01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,320 you all have the ability um to ask for 2405 01:43:02,320 --> 01:43:03,760 some of those to be amended or changed 2406 01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,800 or removed um with the agreement by the 2407 01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:09,040 applicant. I am happy to answer any 2408 01:43:09,040 --> 01:43:10,800 questions um that you all may have. The 2409 01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:12,320 only other comment that I was going to 2410 01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:13,440 make, I'm going to go back to this 2411 01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:16,800 zoning map really quick. Um just in case 2412 01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:18,320 it comes up, you know, the question of 2413 01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:21,040 is this spot zoning, you know, per North 2414 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:25,119 Carolina. Um and no, not I would say no 2415 01:43:25,119 --> 01:43:27,679 because spot zoning it is only illegal 2416 01:43:27,679 --> 01:43:29,679 if it's not reasonable. and reasonable 2417 01:43:29,679 --> 01:43:30,960 meaning that it's nearby other 2418 01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,800 adjacently zoned property that's similar 2419 01:43:32,800 --> 01:43:35,119 in nature as far as what the current use 2420 01:43:35,119 --> 01:43:37,679 of those parcels are. Um so I would not 2421 01:43:37,679 --> 01:43:39,440 consider this to be spot zone of any 2422 01:43:39,440 --> 01:43:41,679 kind and I made sure of that also with 2423 01:43:41,679 --> 01:43:43,679 the school of government. Um like I said 2424 01:43:43,679 --> 01:43:45,280 I'm happy to answer any questions that 2425 01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:46,639 you all may have of me. 2426 01:43:46,639 --> 01:43:50,960 >> Okay. Any questions for Bailey? 2427 01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,080 >> Know it says are going to be 2428 01:43:52,080 --> 01:43:53,760 manufacturing metal parts. 2429 01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:54,320 >> Yes, sir. 2430 01:43:54,320 --> 01:43:55,600 >> Type metal parts. There going to be a 2431 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:57,360 lot of noise. There's going to be 2432 01:43:57,360 --> 01:43:59,679 24-hour shifts. What? 2433 01:43:59,679 --> 01:44:01,040 >> From my understanding, it will just be 2434 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,119 normal hours 8 to 5. They didn't prefer 2435 01:44:03,119 --> 01:44:05,520 to put um hours of operation on there in 2436 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:06,719 case they do have to work on the 2437 01:44:06,719 --> 01:44:08,159 weekend, but my understanding it will 2438 01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:11,199 not create much noise um from the road 2439 01:44:11,199 --> 01:44:12,480 or nearby 2440 01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:14,800 >> large metal pieces. I mean, I'm just 2441 01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:16,080 trying to get a picture of what they're 2442 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,320 going to be manufacturing there. I think 2443 01:44:18,320 --> 01:44:19,520 >> Mr. Morgan's here. He could probably 2444 01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:20,880 answer those when he come up. 2445 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:21,920 >> Yeah. 2446 01:44:21,920 --> 01:44:24,000 >> And the surrounding properties are also 2447 01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,080 owned by the same um family, I believe, 2448 01:44:26,080 --> 01:44:28,639 as well. And the nearest home, um, I 2449 01:44:28,639 --> 01:44:29,600 don't believe you can see it on this 2450 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:31,280 map, but it is up this way. There's a 2451 01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:33,040 building here, but there's a home nearby 2452 01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:35,360 over here that I believe is around 2500t 2453 01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:37,840 away, I think, when I measure. 2454 01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:39,119 >> Any question? Any more questions for 2455 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:42,709 Bailey? 2456 01:44:42,719 --> 01:44:44,159 » All right, Bailey. Thank you very much. 2457 01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:44,719 >> Thank you. 2458 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:46,880 >> At this time, I will open the public 2459 01:44:46,880 --> 01:44:48,880 hearing. Anyone here to speak for or 2460 01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,119 against this project? Mr. Morgan, I 2461 01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:52,560 think you had signed up to speak. Would 2462 01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:57,119 you like to come up and 2463 01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:01,679 clarify uh Mr. Barbie's question? 2464 01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:04,480 Clarify, but answer it. 2465 01:45:04,480 --> 01:45:06,639 >> Thank you, commissioners. Um, we'll be 2466 01:45:06,639 --> 01:45:08,560 manufacturing machine parts, welded 2467 01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:10,800 parts, fabricated parts. Uh, be an 2468 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:12,320 insulated building with closed doors, 2469 01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,560 heating and air condition, and shouldn't 2470 01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:15,360 hear any noise. 2471 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:17,440 >> There going to be no noise or anything. 2472 01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:18,960 No pollution getting out. People are 2473 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:19,920 going to complain about. 2474 01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:25,669 >> No. No. Should be good. 2475 01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:27,040 » Anybody have any questions for Mr. 2476 01:45:27,040 --> 01:45:29,760 Morgan? 2477 01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,760 >> Thank you, sir. Anyone else here to 2478 01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:36,070 speak for or against? 2479 01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:38,000 » Hearing none, I will declare the public 2480 01:45:38,000 --> 01:45:40,000 hearing closed. 2481 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:43,199 >> What's the pleasure of the board? 2482 01:45:43,199 --> 01:45:44,719 >> Uh, Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion 2483 01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:47,840 that we accept the proposal as Miss 2484 01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:51,280 Bailey presented. If you would, uh, 2485 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:52,560 Commissioner Mills, if you would either 2486 01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:55,119 go to page 18 or page 103, 2487 01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:56,639 >> additional request that 2488 01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:58,400 >> read the suggested language. 2489 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,400 >> Okay. 2490 01:46:00,400 --> 01:46:03,199 >> Josh Morgan, 17 acre track. 2491 01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,440 >> Nope. Going further down. 2492 01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:08,960 >> I think it's page either 18 or 103. I'm 2493 01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:16,709 not 2494 01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,360 » move to I move this board to approve the 2495 01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:21,119 M1 condition reszone. Yes, sir. That's 2496 01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:21,440 it. 2497 01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:25,040 >> M1 condition proposal. 2498 01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:27,040 >> All right. for a 6acre portion of 17 2499 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,880 acre track located at Kendall Valley uh 2500 01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:32,480 Kendall's Church Road because the 2501 01:46:32,480 --> 01:46:34,239 request is consistent with the 2040 2502 01:46:34,239 --> 01:46:36,400 Stanley County comprehensive land use 2503 01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:39,440 plan and is application has agreed to 2504 01:46:39,440 --> 01:46:42,080 meet all conditions. All right, I have a 2505 01:46:42,080 --> 01:46:43,040 motion. Do I have a second? 2506 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,400 >> Second. 2507 01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:45,119 >> Um 2508 01:46:45,119 --> 01:46:45,920 >> I don't care. 2509 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:47,679 >> All right. 2510 01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:49,440 I got a motion. So I got a second by 2511 01:46:49,440 --> 01:46:53,760 Commissioner Hatley. Any discussion? 2512 01:46:53,760 --> 01:46:55,280 All those in favor say I. 2513 01:46:55,280 --> 01:46:55,760 >> I. 2514 01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,639 >> Oppos. Motion carries. Same vote. Thank 2515 01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:02,480 you very much. Uh, next item 2516 01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:06,639 is ZA 2602. So, R20 2517 01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:09,760 reszone request for by Gerald and Brenda 2518 01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:12,000 Honeyut. 2519 01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:15,920 Bailey, you up. 2520 01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:17,760 >> Mr. Chairman, members of the board, I'm 2521 01:47:17,760 --> 01:47:21,600 going to move to the next item. Um, this 2522 01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,159 is ZA20602 and this is a request for a 2523 01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:26,560 reszoning of an approximately 65 acre 2524 01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,159 track. It's currently zoned county 2525 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:30,080 highway business and they are requesting 2526 01:47:30,080 --> 01:47:32,960 that it be zoned county R20 um in order 2527 01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:34,719 to use their land for livestock and 2528 01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:36,400 agricultural purposes. I'm going to go 2529 01:47:36,400 --> 01:47:38,320 ahead and move to this aerial map that 2530 01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,000 way you all are have a chance to look at 2531 01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,400 it. The applicants are requested to 2532 01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,159 reszone in order to utilize their land 2533 01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:45,760 for their livestock and agricultural 2534 01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,600 purposes. The current zoning highway 2535 01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:49,520 business does not allow for livestock or 2536 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:51,760 agricultural uses and the parcel in 2537 01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:53,280 question is currently in that rural 2538 01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:56,080 preservation area. There used to be a 2539 01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:57,600 salon on the property that has since 2540 01:47:57,600 --> 01:47:59,280 been torn down and most of the acreage 2541 01:47:59,280 --> 01:48:01,520 of the salon was located where the lo 2542 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:03,360 salon was located, excuse me, um was 2543 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:04,560 acquired by the state during the 2544 01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,560 widening of the highway. The applicants 2545 01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:08,080 no longer wish to utilize the property 2546 01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:10,000 for commercial purposes and plan to 2547 01:48:10,000 --> 01:48:11,440 recombine the property with their 2548 01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:13,440 adjoining property that is currently in 2549 01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:16,320 the bonafide farm program. So, I'm just 2550 01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:18,880 going to go ahead and explain this a 2551 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:20,159 little further. So, this is currently 2552 01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:22,159 where the Honey Cuts live. Um, this is 2553 01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:23,920 their current home where they also have 2554 01:48:23,920 --> 01:48:26,800 farmland. This portion up here is the 2555 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,639 portion of property that is in question. 2556 01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:30,000 And this will give you kind of a better 2557 01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:32,480 idea. So, that purple shaded area, 2558 01:48:32,480 --> 01:48:33,760 that's highway business. And then 2559 01:48:33,760 --> 01:48:35,920 obviously, as you can tell, this is R20. 2560 01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:38,639 And a lot a large reason if you're 2561 01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:40,560 wondering or curious of why all this 2562 01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,880 area is R20. A lot of times when you get 2563 01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,199 closer to the lake it tends to be that 2564 01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,440 way. Um I believe you know when planning 2565 01:48:47,440 --> 01:48:49,600 was taking place R20 allowed for smaller 2566 01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:51,520 lot sizes. You get towards the lake you 2567 01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:54,080 have obviously more development but um 2568 01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:55,920 obviously these tracks are larger. So in 2569 01:48:55,920 --> 01:48:58,239 that case they're asking to recombine 2570 01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:00,639 this small uh portion of property. They 2571 01:49:00,639 --> 01:49:01,679 want to recombine it with their 2572 01:49:01,679 --> 01:49:03,119 existing. So, in order to do that and 2573 01:49:03,119 --> 01:49:04,880 make it cohesive, they're asking to 2574 01:49:04,880 --> 01:49:08,080 reszone that to the R20 um and recombine 2575 01:49:08,080 --> 01:49:09,760 that with their existing land because 2576 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:10,800 like I said, right now they're 2577 01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,239 technically not allowed to use any kind 2578 01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:13,920 of livestock on it and that's that's 2579 01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:15,679 their goal. Um, and this just goes to 2580 01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:18,000 show also that it is in that that rural 2581 01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:21,040 preservation area as well. And I am 2582 01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,159 happy to answer any questions, I 2583 01:49:22,159 --> 01:49:24,239 believe. Yeah. And here's just a a view 2584 01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:25,840 off of Google what the property 2585 01:49:25,840 --> 01:49:28,000 currently looks like um right now. So, 2586 01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:29,280 as you can see, there's no structures 2587 01:49:29,280 --> 01:49:31,679 nor commercial uh business taking place 2588 01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:34,000 on the property. They've also been in 2589 01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:37,920 contact with the tax office about what all they have to do um to rectify 2590 01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:40,320 this also from a tax standpoint. And I'm 2591 01:49:40,320 --> 01:49:41,760 happy to answer any questions you may 2592 01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:46,229 have. 2593 01:49:46,239 --> 01:49:51,430 Any questions for Bailey? 2594 01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:52,960 All right. Hearing none, at this time, I 2595 01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:55,440 will declare the public hearing open. 2596 01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:59,040 Anyone here to speak for or against 2597 01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,000 the um ZA26-2 2598 01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,280 R20 reszoning request? 2599 01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,280 >> Mr. Honeyut is here, I believe. I don't 2600 01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:08,560 know if he wants to say something or 2601 01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:15,669 not. 2602 01:50:15,679 --> 01:50:20,080 » If you don't, that's okay. 2603 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:22,560 >> It's okay. Don't you don't want to 2604 01:50:22,560 --> 01:50:24,159 >> seem like everything's been taken care 2605 01:50:24,159 --> 01:50:26,480 of. 2606 01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:29,440 >> Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Adut. 2607 01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:30,960 >> All right. At this time, I will close 2608 01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:32,960 the public hearing. 2609 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:34,239 >> What's the pleasure of the board? 2610 01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:35,040 >> Mr. Chair. 2611 01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:35,600 >> Yes, ma'am. 2612 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,840 >> I move this board approve this R20 2613 01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:39,760 resoning request by Gerald and Brenda 2614 01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:41,199 Honeyut because the property is 2615 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,040 currently used as agricultural land and 2616 01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:45,199 the request is consistent with the 2040 2617 01:50:45,199 --> 01:50:47,440 Stanley County Comprehensive Land Use 2618 01:50:47,440 --> 01:50:48,400 Plan. 2619 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:49,840 >> Thanks, ma'am. Do I have a second? 2620 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:51,280 by commissioner, vice chairman 2621 01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,320 law. Any more discussion? 2622 01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:55,840 All those in favor say I. 2623 01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,000 >> I. Opposed. 2624 01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,840 >> Motion carries. Said move. You're good, 2625 01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:03,199 Mr. Cut. 2626 01:51:03,199 --> 01:51:06,950 >> Approve. 2627 01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:11,270 That'll be 2628 01:51:11,280 --> 01:51:16,310 real. 2629 01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,760 All right. Real. All right, next item. 2630 01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,719 Um, hold on, Andy. Let me catch up. 2631 01:51:22,719 --> 01:51:23,280 >> You're good. 2632 01:51:23,280 --> 01:51:25,840 >> Uh, next item is the Gaston Community 2633 01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,000 Action Board of Directors Appointment. 2634 01:51:28,000 --> 01:51:29,760 And again, our presenter is county 2635 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:30,800 manager Andy Lucas. 2636 01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:32,560 >> Yes. Thank you, members of the board, 2637 01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:35,520 Mr. Chairman. Um, this is a board that 2638 01:51:35,520 --> 01:51:38,480 the county is part of as part of the the 2639 01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:40,239 way the federal government um 2640 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:43,599 distributes um 2641 01:51:43,599 --> 01:51:47,119 community care block grants. And so, um, 2642 01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:48,960 we've struggled to have representation 2643 01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,440 on this board for years, but, um, Miss 2644 01:51:51,440 --> 01:51:54,960 Heather Kildy has, um, been recommended, 2645 01:51:54,960 --> 01:51:57,760 uh, to for a three-year term on this 2646 01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:59,760 board. Um, and a lot of that, I think, 2647 01:51:59,760 --> 01:52:01,760 has to do with alignment with what she 2648 01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:04,320 does with the Christian ministries and 2649 01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:06,560 the fact that this Gaston Community 2650 01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:10,000 Action Board actually receives federal 2651 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,159 funding that could assist them. And so I 2652 01:52:12,159 --> 01:52:14,800 think um there's some a desire to have 2653 01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,760 an active voice uh on that board. And so 2654 01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:19,920 um that's the recommended action is for 2655 01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,280 Heather Kildy to be appointed for a 2656 01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:22,960 three-year term to represent Stanley 2657 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:25,040 County on the Gaston Community Action 2658 01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:27,040 Board. 2659 01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,840 >> Okay. Thank you, Andy. Any questions? 2660 01:52:29,840 --> 01:52:31,920 >> Andy, I do have a I do have a question. 2661 01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:34,960 Will she be able to attend the meetings 2662 01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:36,560 via 2663 01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:37,599 Skype or 2664 01:52:37,599 --> 01:52:39,040 >> Yeah, that's my understanding. And she 2665 01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:40,719 won't have to drive to Okay. Yeah. 2666 01:52:40,719 --> 01:52:43,520 >> Wherever they're they meet 2667 01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:46,000 in Gastonia. 2668 01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:48,080 >> Yeah. 2669 01:52:48,080 --> 01:52:50,639 >> Any more questions? 2670 01:52:50,639 --> 01:52:51,520 >> All right. Hearing none. What's the 2671 01:52:51,520 --> 01:52:52,800 pleasure of the board? Mr. 2672 01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:55,280 >> Chairman, I'll make a motion that we uh 2673 01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:59,199 approve uh Miss Kildy for a three-year 2674 01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:00,719 term. 2675 01:53:00,719 --> 01:53:02,320 >> Okay. I have a motion. Do I have a 2676 01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:03,599 second? 2677 01:53:03,599 --> 01:53:05,280 >> Second by Commissioner Crump. Any 2678 01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:07,199 discussion? 2679 01:53:07,199 --> 01:53:09,199 All those in favor say I. I. 2680 01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:12,560 >> Opposed. Motion carries. Sad mot. Uh, 2681 01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:15,119 next item is North Carolina DEEQ direct 2682 01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:17,920 grant acceptance resolution. We got our 2683 01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:19,360 presenter, county manager Lucas. 2684 01:53:19,360 --> 01:53:20,880 >> Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman and members 2685 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:24,080 of the board. Um, back in 2324, the 2686 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,960 county received a $ 1.9 million was 2687 01:53:26,960 --> 01:53:28,639 actually two, but the state takes their 2688 01:53:28,639 --> 01:53:31,840 share for administrative costs. Um and 2689 01:53:31,840 --> 01:53:34,239 so ends up being about 1.97 million in 2690 01:53:34,239 --> 01:53:36,880 grant funding uh for a sewers extension 2691 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:38,960 to assist in an economic development 2692 01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,360 project in the unincorporated area in 2693 01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,159 the southern part of the county. Um and 2694 01:53:44,159 --> 01:53:45,520 in order to sort of preserve that 2695 01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:46,880 funding and keep that going, there 2696 01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:49,360 hasn't been a there hasn't been a um 2697 01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,239 decision by the the uh entity, the 2698 01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:54,880 business entity to to do that expansion 2699 01:53:54,880 --> 01:53:56,960 at this point in time. Um but in order 2700 01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:59,199 to preserve that funding, we wanted to 2701 01:53:59,199 --> 01:54:00,880 move forward with the resolution, hold 2702 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,520 the money, um so that we could at least 2703 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,520 engineer it and we would get paid by 2704 01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,320 those grant funds um if we move forward 2705 01:54:08,320 --> 01:54:11,199 with that engineering. And so um there's 2706 01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:13,199 some requirements for the grant. And so 2707 01:54:13,199 --> 01:54:14,480 we want to we don't want to have to pay 2708 01:54:14,480 --> 01:54:16,239 for that out of county dollars. We want 2709 01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:17,599 to make sure we can pay for that out of 2710 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:20,400 grant funding. And so this allows us to 2711 01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:21,760 move forward with the grant, get 2712 01:54:21,760 --> 01:54:23,520 everything in place, and be able to pull 2713 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,360 down the funds. And if nothing ever 2714 01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,199 happens, we only will get reimbursed 2715 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:28,800 for, you know, the amount that we spend 2716 01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:30,800 on engineering. We wouldn't get the 2717 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,520 balance of those funds. Um but if we do, 2718 01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:34,960 then obviously we would be able to tap 2719 01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,480 into those grant funds to assist with 2720 01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,360 that project. So um that's the that's 2721 01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,760 the request is to approve the resolution 2722 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,920 that basically establishes this this 2723 01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,960 grant and allows us to move forward um 2724 01:54:46,960 --> 01:54:49,119 with some initial planning associated 2725 01:54:49,119 --> 01:54:51,280 with that economic development project. 2726 01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,000 >> Okay. Thank you, sir. Um, any questions, 2727 01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:54,719 Mr. Barbie? 2728 01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:57,040 >> I have noticed on here is for an agurism 2729 01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:58,480 economic development project. 2730 01:54:58,480 --> 01:54:59,040 >> Yes, sir. 2731 01:54:59,040 --> 01:55:00,000 >> What would that be? 2732 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,599 >> I can't speak to that since it's an 2733 01:55:01,599 --> 01:55:03,440 economic development project, but it's 2734 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:06,000 um it's, you know, it's it's aggra 2735 01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,719 tourism based. It's an it's an existing 2736 01:55:08,719 --> 01:55:10,960 industry that exists in this 2737 01:55:10,960 --> 01:55:12,480 unincorporate area of the southern part 2738 01:55:12,480 --> 01:55:14,719 of our county. Um, that is in the 2739 01:55:14,719 --> 01:55:17,679 agurism business and this would be an 2740 01:55:17,679 --> 01:55:19,599 expansion of their activities. But I 2741 01:55:19,599 --> 01:55:21,920 can't speak to the the actual business 2742 01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,400 because it's not they're in the middle 2743 01:55:24,400 --> 01:55:25,920 of contemplating whether or not they're 2744 01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:28,239 going to move forward with that project. 2745 01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:29,440 But this is something that's been going 2746 01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:31,920 on since 23 24. I mean, it's not a new 2747 01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,840 project. We've it's been been they've 2748 01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,560 been evaluating and doing due diligence 2749 01:55:36,560 --> 01:55:40,629 for some period of time. 2750 01:55:40,639 --> 01:55:44,080 » Any more questions? 2751 01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:45,119 >> All right. What's the pleasure of the 2752 01:55:45,119 --> 01:55:45,440 board? 2753 01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:47,280 >> Mr. Chair, I make a motion that we 2754 01:55:47,280 --> 01:55:49,360 approve the grant funding acceptance 2755 01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:50,159 resolution. 2756 01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:51,360 >> Thank commissioner Keane. Do I have a 2757 01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:53,599 second? 2758 01:55:53,599 --> 01:55:55,760 >> Thank Commissioner Hatley. Any 2759 01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:58,080 discussion? 2760 01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:00,000 All those in favor say I. 2761 01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,760 >> Opposed. Motion carries. 7. 2762 01:56:03,760 --> 01:56:06,800 Uh, next item. 2763 01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:07,760 >> Man, we about covering the whole 2764 01:56:07,760 --> 01:56:08,719 alphabet here tonight. 2765 01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:09,520 >> Yeah, we're getting there, aren't we? 2766 01:56:09,520 --> 01:56:11,119 We're making progress though. Clicking 2767 01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:13,920 them off. Item N is design build 2768 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:16,320 authorization for the dental clinic 2769 01:56:16,320 --> 01:56:18,560 renovation. And again, our presenter is 2770 01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:20,239 county manager Lucas. Yes, sir. Thank 2771 01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:21,440 you, Mr. Chairman and members of the 2772 01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,119 board. The board authorized funding in 2773 01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,920 our um operating budget for fiscal year 2774 01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,639 2627 to do an expansion of the dental 2775 01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:31,040 clinic. and we're asking the board to 2776 01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,639 authorize us to use the design build um 2777 01:56:34,639 --> 01:56:37,280 construction method versus a design bid 2778 01:56:37,280 --> 01:56:41,199 build so that we can um do an RFQ, get a 2779 01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:42,719 general contractor in and then they'll 2780 01:56:42,719 --> 01:56:45,040 start the process of designing it and um 2781 01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:47,040 we have in that case we only have one 2782 01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:48,239 entity to deal with and we don't get 2783 01:56:48,239 --> 01:56:50,880 into a low bid situation. So, um, that's 2784 01:56:50,880 --> 01:56:55,520 what we're asking the board for is that we approve these design build 2785 01:56:55,520 --> 01:56:57,119 criteria so that we can move forward 2786 01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:58,800 with that and we'll the next step in 2787 01:56:58,800 --> 01:57:02,639 this would be to issue an RFQ um for 2788 01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:05,599 proposals um for qualifications from 2789 01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:07,599 general contractors and I know there's 2790 01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,520 some interest in lo from local uh 2791 01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:11,440 contractors in this project and so we'll 2792 01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:13,760 have the ability to to get um somebody 2793 01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:15,440 on board to begin the process of 2794 01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:16,880 designing it and then doing the 2795 01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:18,639 implementation of the renovation. So 2796 01:57:18,639 --> 01:57:20,480 >> all righty this is step one. We have to 2797 01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:23,440 in order per statute in order to use the 2798 01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:25,840 design build construction methodology. 2799 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:27,760 We have to approve these criteria. 2800 01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:28,560 >> Yes sir. 2801 01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:30,080 >> Do you have a number? 2802 01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:32,159 >> Do you have any numbers at all? 2803 01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:34,080 >> Uh I I I'd have to go back and look at 2804 01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,719 how much funding we included in the FY 2805 01:57:36,719 --> 01:57:40,080 um 2627 budget but it's a it's a I mean 2806 01:57:40,080 --> 01:57:41,760 there was a sizable amount for the 2807 01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,239 renovation of the project. So I I don't 2808 01:57:44,239 --> 01:57:46,639 have the committed me committed to 2809 01:57:46,639 --> 01:57:49,040 memory as to what we appropriated in the 2810 01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:50,400 budget. I'd have to go look at that 2811 01:57:50,400 --> 01:57:52,880 number. Um and I don't know if you know 2812 01:57:52,880 --> 01:57:54,400 we have enough funding or not, but I 2813 01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:56,000 know we have a significant fund balance 2814 01:57:56,000 --> 01:57:57,920 from dental. And so if it's slightly 2815 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,080 over, we can there's funds we can use 2816 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,599 that aren't won't be taxpayer. Well, 2817 01:58:01,599 --> 01:58:02,960 they're taxpayer funds. They're not 2818 01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:05,520 local taxpayer funds. They are medic 2819 01:58:05,520 --> 01:58:08,080 Medicare, Medicaid, and insurance um 2820 01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:12,320 proceeds that have been escrowed. 2821 01:58:12,320 --> 01:58:14,320 >> Okay. Any other questions? County 2822 01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:16,880 manager 2823 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,159 hearing none. What's the pleasure of the 2824 01:58:18,159 --> 01:58:24,310 board? 2825 01:58:24,320 --> 01:58:24,560 Mr. 2826 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,760 >> Chairman, I make a motion that we 2827 01:58:25,760 --> 01:58:27,119 approve the design bill construction 2828 01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:29,440 method for the dental clinic renovation. 2829 01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:30,719 >> All right. Thank you, Commissioner King. 2830 01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:32,080 I have a motion. I have a second. 2831 01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:33,119 >> I'll second that. 2832 01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:34,800 >> Second by Commissioner Mills. Any 2833 01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:37,360 discussion? 2834 01:58:37,360 --> 01:58:38,880 >> All those in favor say I. 2835 01:58:38,880 --> 01:58:41,199 >> I. 2836 01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:42,800 Motion carries. Thank you. 2837 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:47,599 >> Thank you, sir. Uh, next item is um, 2838 01:58:47,599 --> 01:58:50,800 Commissioner Sensor. Um, after our last 2839 01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:53,599 meeting and doing some research, 2840 01:58:53,599 --> 01:58:56,000 um, I'm going to ask the board that I be 2841 01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:58,560 recused from this item, uh, I'm going to 2842 01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,639 turn the gavl over to Vice Chairman 2843 01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:03,840 Lahan. Um, I found out that Miss 2844 01:59:03,840 --> 01:59:07,520 Pinkston's attorney is my nephew and 2845 01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:11,199 also my attorney. So I am going to ask 2846 01:59:11,199 --> 01:59:14,239 that I be recused. 2847 01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:15,199 Commissioner. 2848 01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:17,199 >> Okay. 2849 01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:19,840 Chairman Ephford has requested he be 2850 01:59:19,840 --> 01:59:21,360 recused 2851 01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:24,880 from uh this particular action 2852 01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:27,119 and we need approval. So what's the 2853 01:59:27,119 --> 01:59:37,030 pleasure of the board? 2854 01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,119 I'll make a motion that we accept 2855 01:59:39,119 --> 01:59:41,599 Chairman Ephford's proposal to recuse 2856 01:59:41,599 --> 01:59:42,719 himself. 2857 01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:44,480 >> Okay. 2858 01:59:44,480 --> 01:59:47,119 Uh, Commissioner Mills made a motion. Do 2859 01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:53,109 we have a second? 2860 01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:55,920 » Okay, we have a second by Commissioner 2861 01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:57,440 King. 2862 01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,239 All in favor of recusing 2863 02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,560 Chairman Ephford 2864 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:05,920 from this particular item, please say I. 2865 02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:07,840 Any 2866 02:00:07,840 --> 02:00:08,800 opposed? 2867 02:00:08,800 --> 02:00:10,719 >> No. 2868 02:00:10,719 --> 02:00:15,440 >> Okay. So, we've got uh 2869 02:00:15,440 --> 02:00:20,159 five to one. Motion passes. 2870 02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:22,080 You are recused. 2871 02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:22,960 >> Thanks, sir. 2872 02:00:22,960 --> 02:00:27,440 >> Commissioner King, you're up. 2873 02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:30,480 >> Thank you, Vice Chair. Um, at our last 2874 02:00:30,480 --> 02:00:32,080 meeting it was brought to our attention 2875 02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:34,239 that somebody come forward and said 2876 02:00:34,239 --> 02:00:35,840 there was some accusations made and I 2877 02:00:35,840 --> 02:00:37,599 think that the public deserve to know 2878 02:00:37,599 --> 02:00:39,599 what's going on with that. I think that 2879 02:00:39,599 --> 02:00:42,080 the judicial system 2880 02:00:42,080 --> 02:00:44,080 is supposed to be fair and unbiased and 2881 02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:46,400 if an elected official reached out to a 2882 02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:48,400 judge to talk about a court case that he 2883 02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,400 has no bearing in that I think that is 2884 02:00:50,400 --> 02:00:52,400 just pushing it to the extreme that it 2885 02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:54,639 shouldn't be pushed to and therefore 2886 02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:55,840 that's the reason I've requested this to 2887 02:00:55,840 --> 02:01:02,310 come on the meeting tonight. Any 2888 02:01:02,320 --> 02:01:06,229 other discussion? 2889 02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:10,560 » Uh, sure. Uh, I would like to say none 2890 02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,400 of us I think I can speak for all of us 2891 02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:14,320 to say that none of us want to be in 2892 02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:17,840 this position today. Um, it does not 2893 02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:19,920 make my heart happy at all to be in this 2894 02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:21,840 position. Um, I've worked with Mr. 2895 02:01:21,840 --> 02:01:23,920 Hatley now for almost four years and I 2896 02:01:23,920 --> 02:01:26,080 he works circles around a lot of people. 2897 02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,320 He works hard and he does a very good 2898 02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:32,080 job at what he does and um but I'm not 2899 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:33,920 going to make an excuse for the what I 2900 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:37,199 have learned. And the fact is Judge Bang 2901 02:01:37,199 --> 02:01:40,239 did recuse himself from the case 2902 02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:44,320 and when I have to look at what we sign 2903 02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,560 every December 2904 02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,599 as commissioners we sign the Stanley 2905 02:01:49,599 --> 02:01:51,520 County Board of Commissioners sign the 2906 02:01:51,520 --> 02:01:53,599 code of ethics. And there are several 2907 02:01:53,599 --> 02:01:55,760 points here that I want to point out. 2908 02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,560 And before I I read the code of ethics, 2909 02:01:58,560 --> 02:02:00,560 there's a few po few that I want to 2910 02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,119 read. I want to remind us what a censure 2911 02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:05,520 is because 2912 02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:09,280 it's been brought up that this is this 2913 02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,760 is not a trial. No, it's not. I thank 2914 02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,440 goodness it's not a trial. I'm not a 2915 02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:16,560 judge and this is not a courtroom. 2916 02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:20,880 Censure is not about determining guilt. 2917 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,280 Let me read to you. A censure isn't a 2918 02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:26,159 legal finding. It's a statement based on 2919 02:02:26,159 --> 02:02:28,800 what we know right now. We aren't 2920 02:02:28,800 --> 02:02:31,199 determining guilt. We are addressing the 2921 02:02:31,199 --> 02:02:34,960 appearance of impropriy and its impact 2922 02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:37,520 on public trust. 2923 02:02:37,520 --> 02:02:40,320 And so if you look at member conduct 2924 02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:42,880 number three, the professional, it says 2925 02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:45,119 the professional and personal conduct of 2926 02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:48,560 members must be above reproach and avoid 2927 02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:52,080 even the appearance of impropriy. We all 2928 02:02:52,080 --> 02:02:54,960 signed our names to this. Number eight, 2929 02:02:54,960 --> 02:02:57,360 conflict of interest. Members shall not 2930 02:02:57,360 --> 02:02:59,199 use their official positions to 2931 02:02:59,199 --> 02:03:01,119 influence government decisions in which 2932 02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:02,880 they have a financial interest or where 2933 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,159 they have an organizational 2934 02:03:04,159 --> 02:03:06,880 responsibility or a personal 2935 02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:08,880 relationship that may give the 2936 02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:12,560 appearance of a conflict of interest. 2937 02:03:12,560 --> 02:03:14,639 So whether you're talking to someone as 2938 02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:17,199 a friend or not, this says clearly you 2939 02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:19,040 can't use your influence in a personal 2940 02:03:19,040 --> 02:03:21,440 relationship. 2941 02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:24,560 And then finally 18 compliance and 2942 02:03:24,560 --> 02:03:27,520 enforcement. This is our responsibility 2943 02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,239 and we agreed to it. The cha the chairs 2944 02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:32,800 of each appointed board committee and 2945 02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,639 commission and the chairman of the board 2946 02:03:34,639 --> 02:03:36,639 of county commissioners have the 2947 02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:39,360 additional responsibility to intervene 2948 02:03:39,360 --> 02:03:43,040 when actions of me members appear to be 2949 02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:45,520 in violation of the code of ethics. 2950 02:03:45,520 --> 02:03:47,360 Doesn't mean they're guilty of it. ings 2951 02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:49,360 that they appear to be in violation of 2952 02:03:49,360 --> 02:03:51,360 the code of ethics. 2953 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,520 And the board of county commissioners 2954 02:03:53,520 --> 02:03:55,360 may impose sanctions on members who 2955 02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:57,520 conduct whose conduct does not comply 2956 02:03:57,520 --> 02:03:59,440 with the county code county's code of 2957 02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:02,400 ethics such as reprimand, formal 2958 02:04:02,400 --> 02:04:05,119 censure, loss of committee assignment, 2959 02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:07,440 or other actions consistent with the NC 2960 02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,360 general statutes and local laws 2961 02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:11,360 governing the appointment of boards, 2962 02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:14,159 committees, and commissions. 2963 02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:16,560 And I would also like to say this, um, 2964 02:04:16,560 --> 02:04:18,480 Mr. Schaefer who came in and had gave 2965 02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:21,440 some public comments, he said it well 2966 02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:24,960 that if the investigation happens and we 2967 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:29,599 find out that there was nothing to this, 2968 02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:32,800 then he needs to be vindicated publicly. 2969 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:34,639 And so a board that has the power to 2970 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:37,760 censure also has the power to resend. 2971 02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:40,159 And I would recommend that we do such 2972 02:04:40,159 --> 02:04:42,960 very publicly. 2973 02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:44,960 So undoubtedly this situation does have 2974 02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,280 the appearance of impropriety and it's 2975 02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:50,239 most definitely had an impact on public 2976 02:04:50,239 --> 02:04:53,040 trust. So I say let the investigation 2977 02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:56,400 speak for itself and if all is clear we 2978 02:04:56,400 --> 02:05:01,350 can resend. 2979 02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:04,960 » Other comments I will 2980 02:05:04,960 --> 02:05:07,440 if it wasn't for Judge Bang's recusal we 2981 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:08,880 wouldn't be here talking about this 2982 02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:12,560 right now. I have been a friend of Judge 2983 02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:16,480 Fang for a long time and 2984 02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:20,880 I is well I begin to wonder why in the 2985 02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:24,639 world would anyone continuously refuse 2986 02:05:24,639 --> 02:05:26,880 to investigate such an extreme 2987 02:05:26,880 --> 02:05:29,040 indictment made toward one of my 2988 02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:30,560 colleagues? 2989 02:05:30,560 --> 02:05:32,639 Why would you not at least examine the 2990 02:05:32,639 --> 02:05:34,159 evidence because this is a class H 2991 02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:37,199 felony when brought against our county's 2992 02:05:37,199 --> 02:05:39,360 highest governed body. And this is hard. 2993 02:05:39,360 --> 02:05:42,080 Just like what Patty said or excuse me, 2994 02:05:42,080 --> 02:05:43,760 Commissioner Crump, it's really 2995 02:05:43,760 --> 02:05:45,520 difficult. I know this has been a very 2996 02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,199 difficult time for Commissioner Hatley. 2997 02:05:47,199 --> 02:05:51,440 I've I've known him for many, many, years, his family, and 2998 02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:53,440 especially profound 2999 02:05:53,440 --> 02:05:56,000 uh hardship on the commissioners. It's 3000 02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:57,360 been excruciating. It's been 3001 02:05:57,360 --> 02:05:59,840 excruciating for the Kingston family and 3002 02:05:59,840 --> 02:06:03,520 also Judge Vain. I I intend no 3003 02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:06,000 disrespect whatsoever. I have two 3004 02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,440 questions. 3005 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:10,480 There's three parties that know that's 3006 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:12,320 not hearsay. There's three parties that 3007 02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:14,560 know if this really occurred. One is 3008 02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:18,400 Judge Vain. Two is the two attorney 3009 02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:21,840 parties. The third 3010 02:06:21,840 --> 02:06:24,800 is Commissioner Hatley. 3011 02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:27,280 And Commissioner Hatley, I want to reach 3012 02:06:27,280 --> 02:06:30,320 out to you. Did you reach out to Court 3013 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,920 Judge Bing concerning a pending judicial 3014 02:06:33,920 --> 02:06:40,310 investigation? 3015 02:06:40,320 --> 02:06:42,880 Mr. Mills, I have never violated my oath 3016 02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:44,960 of office as a county commissioner. I 3017 02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:46,719 have never violated my ethical 3018 02:06:46,719 --> 02:06:49,920 obligations as a county commissioner. 3019 02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:51,280 >> That's all I got to say. 3020 02:06:51,280 --> 02:06:52,800 >> Okay. I just want to ask you one more. 3021 02:06:52,800 --> 02:06:55,520 Did you reach out to Judge Bang in a 3022 02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:00,709 pending investigation? 3023 02:07:00,719 --> 02:07:03,040 » That's all I've got to say. 3024 02:07:03,040 --> 02:07:06,800 Well, this is how I make my Please deny 3025 02:07:06,800 --> 02:07:09,360 that you didn't judge. That's the only 3026 02:07:09,360 --> 02:07:12,000 Okay. Have you ever discussed the 3027 02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:15,280 judicial decision 3028 02:07:15,280 --> 02:07:21,990 with any court authority? 3029 02:07:22,000 --> 02:07:26,870 Do you do you deny that? 3030 02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:30,000 » I'm not. 3031 02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:32,719 Did you know it was unlawful to not 3032 02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:35,199 discuss a pending investigate? Did you 3033 02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:37,280 just know that it was not lawful to 3034 02:07:37,280 --> 02:07:39,520 discuss a pending? I'm just asking you. 3035 02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:43,990 Did you know? 3036 02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:52,229 » No answer. 3037 02:07:52,239 --> 02:07:57,109 Other comments? 3038 02:07:57,119 --> 02:07:59,119 Um, 3039 02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:01,679 not saying anybody's guilty here or 3040 02:08:01,679 --> 02:08:04,800 whatever, but uh, you know, I know a lot 3041 02:08:04,800 --> 02:08:06,560 of things 3042 02:08:06,560 --> 02:08:08,000 have happened over the years, not with 3043 02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:12,000 Mr. Commissioner Hatley, but with other 3044 02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:15,599 entities of the county government and uh 3045 02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:18,000 they get kind of brushed underneath and 3046 02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:20,000 it wouldn't bother me one bit if the 3047 02:08:20,000 --> 02:08:22,800 entire county uh went through an ethics 3048 02:08:22,800 --> 02:08:24,639 investigation cuz I think there's other 3049 02:08:24,639 --> 02:08:26,159 things that we don't even know about 3050 02:08:26,159 --> 02:08:28,239 that I'd like to see brought up too. But 3051 02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:30,000 I know at this time that's not not 3052 02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:33,760 possible. But, uh, I think we need to go 3053 02:08:33,760 --> 02:08:36,560 further with the ethics to to clear 3054 02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:40,000 Commissioner Hatley or or whatever. But, 3055 02:08:40,000 --> 02:08:46,310 uh, I think we just can't drop it. 3056 02:08:46,320 --> 02:08:47,840 I'm going to address this to the 3057 02:08:47,840 --> 02:08:50,000 council. 3058 02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:52,159 Attorney Fur, 3059 02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:55,520 do we have a censorship letter that you 3060 02:08:55,520 --> 02:09:01,270 could read to us? 3061 02:09:01,280 --> 02:09:04,159 Mr. Chairman, I I'm able to provide a 3062 02:09:04,159 --> 02:09:06,239 definition of censure. We have not 3063 02:09:06,239 --> 02:09:08,480 prepared a staff any sort of uh 3064 02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:10,719 resolution or letter if that's what 3065 02:09:10,719 --> 02:09:12,159 you're asking. 3066 02:09:12,159 --> 02:09:14,159 >> Well, if he's censored, what would he 3067 02:09:14,159 --> 02:09:16,239 get? Anything? 3068 02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:19,599 >> Um, a censure is typically done through 3069 02:09:19,599 --> 02:09:24,079 a resolution or a simple vote of an 3070 02:09:24,079 --> 02:09:29,679 elected board. Um so if the board 3071 02:09:29,679 --> 02:09:32,400 desired to go through with a censure 3072 02:09:32,400 --> 02:09:34,880 then 3073 02:09:34,880 --> 02:09:39,040 um you know at the board's direction um 3074 02:09:39,040 --> 02:09:42,320 we could draft a resolution 3075 02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:44,079 >> or or it could just be done as a simple 3076 02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:45,360 motion and a second. 3077 02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:48,400 >> A resolution is basically a vote is a 3078 02:09:48,400 --> 02:09:51,599 vote of approval is the equivalent of a 3079 02:09:51,599 --> 02:09:53,520 resolution. A lot of times an actual 3080 02:09:53,520 --> 02:09:57,840 resolution is not required um 3081 02:09:57,840 --> 02:10:04,069 legally. 3082 02:10:04,079 --> 02:10:08,079 So there would be no written 3083 02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:12,320 resolution of censorship given to him. 3084 02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:17,669 >> That's up to the board. Mr. Vice Chair, 3085 02:10:17,679 --> 02:10:21,830 » what's the pleasure of the board? 3086 02:10:21,840 --> 02:10:23,679 Mr. Vice Chair, I make a motion that we 3087 02:10:23,679 --> 02:10:26,320 censor Commissioner Hatley and I also 3088 02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:28,400 agree with Commissioner Crump that if 3089 02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,360 for some reason this is cleared and 3090 02:10:31,360 --> 02:10:33,119 find the statements to be false, then it 3091 02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:35,360 should be reversed publicly. 3092 02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,719 Um, also in that motion, I'd like to ask 3093 02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:41,520 that the county hires Pat Flanigan to 3094 02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:44,560 conduct the ethics investigation 3095 02:10:44,560 --> 02:10:49,510 and move forward with the investigation. 3096 02:10:49,520 --> 02:10:53,669 What cost? 3097 02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:55,760 What dollars of taxpayer dollars are you 3098 02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:58,560 recommending? 3099 02:10:58,560 --> 02:11:02,639 I think in the uh work session uh county 3100 02:11:02,639 --> 02:11:06,079 attorney advis us that Mr. Flanigan put 3101 02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:08,320 a $10,000 cap on it that if he couldn't 3102 02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:09,520 get it done by then, he would come back 3103 02:11:09,520 --> 02:11:10,960 to us and let us know and let us know 3104 02:11:10,960 --> 02:11:12,400 what he has found so far and we could 3105 02:11:12,400 --> 02:11:13,440 decide at that point if we want to 3106 02:11:13,440 --> 02:11:19,270 continue on. 3107 02:11:19,280 --> 02:11:22,079 Okay. So, your motion is to censor and 3108 02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:26,800 also to include in the censorship 3109 02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:28,800 uh 3110 02:11:28,800 --> 02:11:32,560 a third party, Mr. Flanigan, 3111 02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,480 to perform the investigation at the cost 3112 02:11:36,480 --> 02:11:39,599 of no more than $10,000. Is that what 3113 02:11:39,599 --> 02:11:41,760 I'm hearing? Yes, sir. 3114 02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:43,920 >> Okay. Everybody else up here heard it. 3115 02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:47,440 Did we have a second? 3116 02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:49,440 Okay. 3117 02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:52,239 Uh, Commissioner Barbie second the 3118 02:11:52,239 --> 02:11:55,119 motion. And that's a first cuz he don't 3119 02:11:55,119 --> 02:11:57,440 spend money. 3120 02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:01,520 So, um, before we vote, I'm going to ask 3121 02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:04,800 uh I know Scott, Commissioner Ephford's 3122 02:12:04,800 --> 02:12:07,040 recused himself. 3123 02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:09,760 And, uh, 3124 02:12:09,760 --> 02:12:11,520 Mr. Hatley, you have the right to vote 3125 02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:13,840 or no, not to vote. I'll leave that up 3126 02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:16,320 to you. 3127 02:12:16,320 --> 02:12:20,719 And a no a no vote 3128 02:12:20,719 --> 02:12:23,360 would uh if you're silent, it's it's a 3129 02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:26,320 yes vote. If if it's a no vote, you need 3130 02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:27,920 to vote no. 3131 02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:30,000 >> Excuse me, Mr. Vice Chairman. 3132 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:30,960 >> Yes. 3133 02:12:30,960 --> 02:12:33,440 >> Before we can vote on this motion, then 3134 02:12:33,440 --> 02:12:37,119 I would like to make a motion that Mr. 3135 02:12:37,119 --> 02:12:39,440 Hatley recuse himself for this uh from 3136 02:12:39,440 --> 02:12:42,159 this vote uh because this is a conflict 3137 02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:45,830 of interest. 3138 02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:51,750 I'll second that. 3139 02:12:51,760 --> 02:12:53,280 All in favor? 3140 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:56,560 >> I I 3141 02:12:56,560 --> 02:13:00,000 >> You're recused. You're recused. 3142 02:13:00,000 --> 02:13:04,000 We have uh five commissioners remaining 3143 02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:07,360 and uh you've heard the motion that 3144 02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:09,679 we're going to spend 10,000 taxpayer 3145 02:13:09,679 --> 02:13:12,400 dollars to hire an attorney for an 3146 02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:14,639 outside investigation 3147 02:13:14,639 --> 02:13:17,520 and before he's found guilty or not 3148 02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:19,199 guilty, 3149 02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:20,880 you want to go ahead and censor 3150 02:13:20,880 --> 02:13:24,639 Commissioner Hatley. Um that's what I 3151 02:13:24,639 --> 02:13:28,480 hear. So all in favor of that, 3152 02:13:28,480 --> 02:13:30,079 please say I. 3153 02:13:30,079 --> 02:13:33,510 >> I. 3154 02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:35,520 » Okay. 3155 02:13:35,520 --> 02:13:39,760 Against. Nay. And I'm going to say nay. 3156 02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:42,480 I hate to see us spend $10,000 of 3157 02:13:42,480 --> 02:13:43,840 taxpayer dollars. 3158 02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:46,719 >> That was just a sensor, not the that or 3159 02:13:46,719 --> 02:13:47,199 that included. 3160 02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:48,560 >> No, that included that. 3161 02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:50,320 >> Okay. Y that was kind of 3162 02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:52,639 >> Do you vote to spend that $10,000, Mr. 3163 02:13:52,639 --> 02:13:53,760 Let me 3164 02:13:53,760 --> 02:13:55,840 >> I vote to look after the people of this 3165 02:13:55,840 --> 02:13:59,199 county and I think $10,000 would be well 3166 02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:01,599 spent to find out if the if this county 3167 02:14:01,599 --> 02:14:03,119 government is being run correctly. 3168 02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:06,960 >> Okay, that's good enough. 3169 02:14:06,960 --> 02:14:08,639 >> Why would you not want him to be 3170 02:14:08,639 --> 02:14:11,119 vindicated through an investigation? We 3171 02:14:11,119 --> 02:14:12,880 don't investigate, then he's going to go 3172 02:14:12,880 --> 02:14:13,199 on. 3173 02:14:13,199 --> 02:14:14,800 >> Well, you're you're finding him guilty 3174 02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,079 of censorship. 3175 02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:17,520 >> No, I'm talking about the investigation. 3176 02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:18,880 Why would you said $10,000? 3177 02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:21,360 >> $10,000 is a waste of taxpayer dollars. 3178 02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:21,920 Do you 3179 02:14:21,920 --> 02:14:27,280 >> if if the parties, the two parties, 3180 02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:31,679 if uh she wants to sue him, she can hire 3181 02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:34,639 an attorney. 3182 02:14:34,639 --> 02:14:36,960 This is this is why I'm voting the way I 3183 02:14:36,960 --> 02:14:41,280 am. I asked for him to deny that he had 3184 02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:43,679 approached or had talked to to Judge 3185 02:14:43,679 --> 02:14:46,320 Vain and he said he he wouldn't answer 3186 02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:48,880 that direct question. And that's what I 3187 02:14:48,880 --> 02:14:51,360 wanted him to do. If he will a answer 3188 02:14:51,360 --> 02:14:54,800 that question and tell me no, I did not 3189 02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,320 talk with him. I did not do that, then 3190 02:14:58,320 --> 02:15:02,320 I'm good. But I I he motion the motion 3191 02:15:02,320 --> 02:15:06,719 to censor him and to hire an attorneys 3192 02:15:06,719 --> 02:15:10,229 already passed. 3193 02:15:10,239 --> 02:15:20,950 Thank you, Commissioner Mills. 3194 02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:22,800 Thank you, Mr. Vice Chairman. Uh, next 3195 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,560 item is item number seven, the consent 3196 02:15:24,560 --> 02:15:30,790 agenda. 3197 02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:34,320 » Everyone had a chance to look at it. 3198 02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:37,679 >> Make a motion we 3199 02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:39,440 have a motion. I have a motion. Do I 3200 02:15:39,440 --> 02:15:41,360 have a second? 3201 02:15:41,360 --> 02:15:42,639 >> Second. 3202 02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:46,560 >> All right. All in favor say I. opposed. 3203 02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:52,709 Motion carries. Um 3204 02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,560 all right. Next, the next item is item 3205 02:15:54,560 --> 02:15:56,719 eight, uh board comments, announcements, 3206 02:15:56,719 --> 02:16:00,320 and committee reports. Um 3207 02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:01,760 Commissioner Barbie, I'll start with 3208 02:16:01,760 --> 02:16:04,480 you, sir. 3209 02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:07,280 Yeah, this past weekend I had the chance 3210 02:16:07,280 --> 02:16:08,960 or weekend before last, I mean, to go to 3211 02:16:08,960 --> 02:16:10,719 the North Carolina Association County 3212 02:16:10,719 --> 02:16:14,079 Commissioners meeting and um they 3213 02:16:14,079 --> 02:16:15,599 discussed one of the big topics they 3214 02:16:15,599 --> 02:16:19,520 were discussing was property tax and um 3215 02:16:19,520 --> 02:16:21,280 it's going to be on the ballot in 3216 02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:23,679 November, but it's they don't have the 3217 02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:26,960 details worked out. Uh the best that I 3218 02:16:26,960 --> 02:16:29,040 could get from the other commissioners 3219 02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:32,800 there is the their proposal is the limit 3220 02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:35,679 uh after property tax appraisal the 3221 02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:39,599 limit of of only 3% per year 3222 02:16:39,599 --> 02:16:43,359 increase in property taxes and uh not 3223 02:16:43,359 --> 02:16:44,719 very many county commissioners are 3224 02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:45,920 liking that cuz it's going to make it 3225 02:16:45,920 --> 02:16:48,479 hard on their budget. But uh you like if 3226 02:16:48,479 --> 02:16:51,200 you if you got a say your total capital 3227 02:16:51,200 --> 02:16:53,519 to total property tax is 100,000 you can 3228 02:16:53,519 --> 02:16:56,160 only get 103,000 then till the 3229 02:16:56,160 --> 02:17:01,280 reappraisal. So uh but that's just a 3230 02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:04,319 formality I guess there. But um it is 3231 02:17:04,319 --> 02:17:07,519 going to be on the ballot. um it's got 3232 02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:10,880 its good points and bad points, but uh 3233 02:17:10,880 --> 02:17:12,319 something's got to be done with the 3234 02:17:12,319 --> 02:17:15,679 increase in cost of uh property taxes 3235 02:17:15,679 --> 02:17:20,080 and I also think that uh it was supposed 3236 02:17:20,080 --> 02:17:23,679 to be on the uh same agenda to limit it. 3237 02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:25,760 If you were retired and your home was 3238 02:17:25,760 --> 02:17:28,559 paid for and you were drawn retirement, 3239 02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:31,519 then you were supposed to be uh property 3240 02:17:31,519 --> 02:17:34,319 tax exempt. But, uh, I understand that 3241 02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:37,920 that's been kind of pushed it away. 3242 02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:39,280 But other than that, that's that's all 3243 02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:41,439 I've got. Thank you. 3244 02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:44,080 >> Thanks, sir. Commissioner Mills, 3245 02:17:44,080 --> 02:17:47,359 I have a job opportunity for 3246 02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:49,359 and I think you only have to be 18 years 3247 02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:52,800 old. This is a official voting applicant 3248 02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:56,240 guide, and they are looking for people 3249 02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:58,479 to work. Uh, it's a two-hour training 3250 02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:00,080 session, and you get paid. You're a 3251 02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:02,559 member of the county. you're employed by 3252 02:18:02,559 --> 02:18:05,359 the county. Uh you must uh have 3253 02:18:05,359 --> 02:18:07,519 independent transportation available to 3254 02:18:07,519 --> 02:18:09,280 work an entire shift in the morning or 3255 02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:12,399 afternoon and lift 30 pounds. And you 3256 02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:14,240 can be a g chief judge, information 3257 02:18:14,240 --> 02:18:18,399 line, voter check-in or ballot official. 3258 02:18:18,399 --> 02:18:21,920 So if you would like to work during the 3259 02:18:21,920 --> 02:18:24,719 election that is coming up, uh there are 3260 02:18:24,719 --> 02:18:26,880 employment opportunities and these you 3261 02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,120 can pick these up right out here at the 3262 02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:31,519 board of elections. So, anyone that 3263 02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:34,399 wants to work and that's drive up and 3264 02:18:34,399 --> 02:18:35,760 anyone that wants to work during the 3265 02:18:35,760 --> 02:18:37,679 elections there is a job and it only 3266 02:18:37,679 --> 02:18:40,000 requires a two-hour training session and 3267 02:18:40,000 --> 02:18:42,800 you got the job 3268 02:18:42,800 --> 02:18:44,399 and that's all I have. Commissioner 3269 02:18:44,399 --> 02:18:45,519 Ephford. 3270 02:18:45,519 --> 02:18:47,359 >> Thanks, sir. Commissioner Crook, 3271 02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:48,880 >> no comment tonight. 3272 02:18:48,880 --> 02:18:50,639 >> Commissioner Keane, 3273 02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:53,280 >> Commissioner Hatley, 3274 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:54,960 >> I was encouraged to hear the school 3275 02:18:54,960 --> 02:18:58,000 board um talk about redistric. Mhm. 3276 02:18:58,000 --> 02:18:59,679 >> I hadn't heard that in a long time. And 3277 02:18:59,679 --> 02:19:01,599 uh I think that could solve a lot of 3278 02:19:01,599 --> 02:19:05,040 problems with the quality of schools, 3279 02:19:05,040 --> 02:19:07,840 quality of education, 3280 02:19:07,840 --> 02:19:11,200 and help stretch our tax dollars. 3281 02:19:11,200 --> 02:19:12,160 That's all I got. 3282 02:19:12,160 --> 02:19:15,920 >> Thank you, sir. Mr. Milan, 3283 02:19:15,920 --> 02:19:20,160 >> just ask everybody to remember 911 25th 3284 02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:24,000 anniversary. Uh, a lot of people still 3285 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,639 are hurting and are sick because of the 3286 02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:31,679 trash that they were having to go 3287 02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:34,559 through to try to find bodies. 3288 02:19:34,559 --> 02:19:37,280 And just I hope and pray that that type 3289 02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:42,309 situation never happens again. 3290 02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:47,110 Thanks, sir. Um, 3291 02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:48,720 I don't have a whole lot to say tonight. 3292 02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:51,520 Um, thank y'all so much for being here. 3293 02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:55,600 Our next meeting is October, 3294 02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,560 Somebody help me. I had it written down. 3295 02:19:58,560 --> 02:19:59,520 >> 10th. 3296 02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:04,000 >> 5th. 5th. Early voting is coming up. Um, 3297 02:20:04,000 --> 02:20:07,359 October 15th. Um, like Commissioner 3298 02:20:07,359 --> 02:20:08,640 Barbie said, there's going to be some 3299 02:20:08,640 --> 02:20:10,640 things on the ballot you need to you 3300 02:20:10,640 --> 02:20:12,560 need to do your research and pay special 3301 02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:15,840 attention to. Uh, so that being said, 3302 02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:17,359 uh, I would entertain a motion to 3303 02:20:17,359 --> 02:20:19,680 adjurnn. So move a motion to have a 3304 02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:23,359 second. All those in favor say I. 3305 02:20:23,359 --> 02:20:26,760 >> Motion carries.