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All right, I've got 630 on the dot, so we will call to order the finding commission, regular meeting for September 14, 2016. We'll start with the roll call.

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Eric Warner, Richard Craig, Josh Canabi, Patrick Costerman, we know Doug is out today, Gabrielle

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Braley, and Michelle Petterson here.

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All right, so our local, then we'll start with the introduction of our members.

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Sure she can start with our introductions.

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We just off.

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Thank you.

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We're excited to introduce Chris Holland.

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He comes to us from the City of Mary's Tool.

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And he has our new planning manager from the City.

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So he comes to us with quite a bit of experience.

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Mary's Bill is a good-sized city with a lot of growth.

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So he has been a fan for about 20 plus years.

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25 years with Mary's Will, two weeks away, so I'm going to listen here.

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So Chris, do you want to just say a few words by yourself?

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Sure.

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So Chris Holland, born and raised an average, I said, I, my first planning job, I got a degree

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from Eastern Washington University in urban region planning, and my first planning job was actually

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with Mary from Triumph, I was at it for two meters in her.

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I moved over to Mary'sville and gradually worked my way up as a finding manager.

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I was a finding manager for, I could get at the last 16 years there.

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So, as far as land use reviews and things like that go,

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I'm pretty experienced, I think.

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Over the last four years, I permitted over 5 million square feet of industrial space

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and in Mary'sville and all sorts of choppy centers.

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A lot of dealers that code amendments and all that.

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So anyways, I hope to bring my experience to the stand with and help the traditional way I can.

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It's great to be here, you know, all of you.

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My pretty client, which means it is my seven weeks.

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Thank you very much.

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Welcome.

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Yeah, we were pretty excited to have Chris join us.

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We did this side to change the senior plan and position to the planning and planning manager

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to help us with some transitional planning and transitional staffing, so we're excited to have it.

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You'll be seeing a lot more of you as a year goes on.

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All right.

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Let's see.

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Public request and comments.

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Anybody online?

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I do not.

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I have nobody in the room.

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Promote the minutes.

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Plenty commission meeting minutes.

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From 7.13, 20.26, are there any additions, corrections, additions?

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Everybody love it.

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There are motion to accept the minutes as written.

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I make a motion.

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Set the minutes as written.

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So we have motion to accept the final commission minutes as written.

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You have a second.

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Oh, I'm bigger.

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But I'm in your post.

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All right.

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We will accept the financial mission minutes for 7, 13, 20, 20, 20,

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Un-init business.

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So I don't have anything to miss it for unfinished business.

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So we can roll into our new business, starting with the legislative code

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amendments.

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Board of Fisher.

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Thank you.

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Just to, just to back up just a little bit of unfinished business.

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we're still working on in climate change work that you've been discussing the last couple months.

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So probably we've been bringing stuff back to you in terms of policies and that October.

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So you're not done with that, but these are not so work to do, just get in a break that's

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loud. So new business, what we're doing is, hopefully finishing out some of the last pieces of

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municipal code of the project. We have about four pieces that has left and now we're going

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to talk about the legislative code of admit and the parking code of admit that. So I did break

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and break them down into two different presentations but they're going to be in your packet

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and this is what I'm really glad we're processing them at the same time. However, they're not

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time. So if we want to process a legislative member full differently from the party, we can

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do that. As you may recall, some of them because that we've had in the past had to be processed

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together, because it was a lot of interplay between them. That's not the case with these two.

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So Audrey has put up the presentation and you should have a copy of the presentation in front of you.

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So make a little easier for you to follow along with.

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And so as we sit on the agenda,

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we're going to start with our legislative code amendments.

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Our legislative code amendments are really a procedural code pretty much in terms of how do we process changes to our

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or municipal code in those type of things.

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So the legislative code on it, we've broken it into five different sub-sexuals.

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The first one is our zoning and unified development code amendment.

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So it's basically how do we amend the code?

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Most of you have been through this process.

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A lot to last two and a half years, so we shouldn't be surprised.

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We're doing that.

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And then the comprehensive plan and then the process.

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And you may recall we adopted the compound in 2024.

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And that was a quite a lengthy process.

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But the code really couldn't spell out all the steps that we need to do to

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adopt any amendments to our code and our pipeline.

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The next one is annexations.

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The city doesn't has a process, a lot of annexations

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in the last few years, I think we've had one annexation in the eight years, eight and

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half years I've been here. We have another one that's potentially coming our way, and so the

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annexation process really describes only one process, and the multiple processes that are

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allowed by state law, because it's one that's used the most.

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So, specific reasons and development agreements are in this code package.

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We're going to have this necessarily legislative, and they were, some of these were getting a little mixed up in our existing code, so we broke them out,

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and so each one has its own set of rules and processes to follow.

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There's probably some overlap in terms of those.

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Processes, but at least we're not confusing. Is this a kind of movement and is this a result, you know, those type of thing?

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Which we have those type of conversations in the past.

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So the intent is to really separate and have distinct consequences for each one, and so it helps eliminate a lot of confusion.

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So, the existing code, as you've been recall, we're moving with a lot of this leftover

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to handle 18.

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I need to do a five-development code.

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This is no different.

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You can see we have an existing 17155156 and 158.

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It really touched the lot of these legislative changes.

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The site specific reasons were invented in the code of maintenance process for

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So we talk about codependence and type of that results or map changes and it was really messy and so another reason why they're separating it out.

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And then development and treatments were elsewhere in the coded multiple places.

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So what you're going to see here in this is the general provision.

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includes the legislative actions and then the site specific

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resource development payments as part of the permitting process.

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I don't know if I'll be recall but we did redo the permit process.

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That was one of our very first things that we did in the United

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Development Code and we identified those specific items of the council

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had a forwarding over and that was the site specific

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reasons for the development of the climate. And those are really the only two permit

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actions they have action, because it really is they have discretion over those actions,

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whereas other permit decisions are, if it makes code, we have to improve them. And so those

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were the type 1, 2, and 3s.

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So I'm going to go through the legislative code amendment and each one

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And if you want to ask questions in between you can, otherwise we could go through it until I get to be in.

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Valerie, I'm comfortable with you now.

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So the first legislative code event that we have before you is the code implement process itself.

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But if there's a picture on our website that has our municipal code on it, you can see there's 18 pedals in there.

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But this section really focuses on Title 17 and Title 18.

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So just to clarify, you're like, oh, we're moving everything over to 18. Why are we keeping 17? Title 17, we're keeping me because at the end of all of this will be the shoreline regulations and also be separate.

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And so we have to keep that title as well.

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I have some kind of general questions I laid out that's pretty similar to all of the five

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sections.

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It's really who can initiate an amendment?

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Code amendments?

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And we'll put in our component amendments.

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These are public documents.

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They are created and adopted by the Council policies of what are community wants and we'll be

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What is in the policies and guidance of our component?

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And it should reflect that in the component process,

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and the intent is to reflect the desires of the community.

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As a planning commission, you can sort of sign our appointed

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to be those representatives of our community to bring in

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concerns or thoughts or comments or anything like that

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that will help guide the development of these codes.

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So why do we do them?

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We have a lot of reasons why code events happen.

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Cones are not typically,

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let's get us a static.

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They're pretty stable, but there are reasons to change codes.

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That has, you've experienced a lot of this

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over the last few years,

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where I keep saying, the state's still this,

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we gotta do this.

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That was just a second point,

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interest conference last week and they were talking about over the last five years, the

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legislature has adopted like 27 housing bills. So a lot of work, a lot of changes in a

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lot. And so we do a lot of work to implement those cuts when we're here, but it's

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state regulations or federal regulations or implementing policies of a complaint. So there's

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The code itself has a list of the criteria for approval of the code of minutes.

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When you see your findings of that, then it's typically attached to the tail end of

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our ordinances.

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There's a section in it that says criteria.

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And we list those criteria.

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And when you're adopting, or if you should say adopting, when you're recommending a adoption

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to the city council that criteria is really important.

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You know, we drafted for you, but if you have changes or suggestions, that's what we want to use.

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So, and they really, um, are around consistency with the public health and safety,

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say, lost federal laws and public policies.

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And then finally, what is the process?

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So,

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for the Title 17 and Title 18, you're always still still the planning commission.

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So the planning commission, as I mentioned, your job is really to review that and make comments

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and suggestions about, what is the effect on the community, what are you hearing from the community?

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What do you want the city to look like in five years or 10 years?

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And that's really what your job is to make that recommendation.

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And then those recommendations go to the council.

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And when I say for the most part, that's what you do.

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Because there are sections of the municipal code, you know,

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at Title 1, 4, 8, whatever.

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Those amendments, who go directly to council,

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enable their own public hearing.

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But the built environment is a lot of what you look at as planning delicious.

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have any questions about COVID-19

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in your old life, or some of some of some of the

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things.

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The next one is the coppire, and it really has something very similar, and I'm not going

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to go through all the details on this because there's almost verbatim, but one of the things

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that's important is when we look at our coppire, our coppire is a 20-year look into

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the future, and we have to update the coppire every time.

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We have a periodic review of the five-year period, and then the full review of the ten you did.

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But given that it's still not meant to be a static document.

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It is meant to be...

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The change and updated to follow the desires of the keeping and how we want to see it grow.

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So state law says that we can't abandon our content more than once a year.

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You know, a good cycle for minor amendments, as usually about every two years or so.

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But we do have the mandate to the five year of the ten year time.

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What I wanted to show you was that we have this content process, it's a two-step process, and the flow truck, though, we added some flow trucks to this section, because people had so many questions to fuse about the process.

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You know, it's written out in the code. It's a lot easier for some people to look at a flow truck than it is to read, you know, having a bureaucratic code.

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So we wanted to try and make that easier.

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So the first step in that process is the dotted.

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I don't know how perfect you've probably been through the dotted process,

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but we didn't do it the last couple years because we were already in the midst

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of a co-plan update.

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But the dotted is an opportunity for the public to

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formally request changes to either the codependent process,

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and we are in the process of opening up that dot get right now.

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And we've we sent it out for two months to allow for people to suggest changes.

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And then we take those changes or those requests that we analyze and consider how does it trick with a

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And then we bring us forward, we click about, we bring forward to the planning commission and you have an opportunity to review those and comment on and make recommendations whether this is something

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of a viable project or a viable request that we should do something with or maybe it's not

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something that we want to pursue at this time. And then we take that recommendation to the

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Council and then the Council holds a hearing on the document I'm going to ask. So that document

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includes the public requests, as I said, but also the city can come from staff, become from

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the planning commission, and so it can include all requests for amendments. So if the council

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approves that, gocket list, this is where some people get confused. It's not approval of the request.

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It's an approval of that request to move forward as part of the complement of the process.

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So then, because of the initial review that we do, it's like, is this something we should

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do or is this not something we did?

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We don't put the amount of the energy and analysis into the bucket that we do to the

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complement.

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And so, if it gets put on the final bucket, that means all of those items are going to get

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the in-depth evaluation, analysis, and recommendations to the plan and permission.

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And then we go through that whole compound process where we do analysis, we can see if I

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reviewed a statement or a bit of policy I've reviewed on it, but I can mention the public hearing,

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make sure our recommendation and then it goes to council, council, holds the public hearing,

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and then makes a final decision.

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So that's kind of a big picture.

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That process could take several years or one of the smaller in between years, you know,

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that could take about a year to get through that whole cycle.

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You may have seen stuff at the county level.

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They take a couple years.

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They usually have really big issues on their document.

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So that could take a while.

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So that's kind of a complicated process.

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There are more questions on that.

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You're also smarter though.

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So the next one I've got is annexations.

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The planning commission may sometimes get involved with annexations and may not

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other times.

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As you may recall with the content of amendment, we adopted pre-zoning for a Rubin

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assist it with the proposed zoning in that area, don't have to go through the planning

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commission process, but if they're proposing changes to the cloud plan, maybe they're changing

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the zoning to their changing,

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the land use designation for the cloud plan, all that has to

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through that content process. And so you may see requests that are part of an annexation.

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annexation, as I mentioned, we had the state has several types of annexation,

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or code is focused mostly on the petition method. And the petition method is where you have certain

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percent of the property owners that own either 10% of the assessed value within that

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but within that expectation or 60%. So you can say the 10% or the 60% petition. So the

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initial one is 10%. So you'd have to get 10% of the property owners valuation.

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That's

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those people who own 10% of the valuation.

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That's clear, because it gets a little confusing

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to the public's inputs. So that goes forward. They submit that and then that goes to the council.

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The council holds a public meeting on that and considers whether or not they wish to

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move to proceed with the annexation. annexations are always council discretion. They can

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prove it or not approve it at any point in this process.

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So after that public meeting and say they accept the petition,

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the 10% then it goes back to the developer or property

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on whoever is proposed to you.

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Then they have to get 60% of the assessed value for the signatures.

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And then it goes after that, it goes to a public hearing with the council.

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If the council accepts it at that time, they approved typically a resolution that goes.

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It's excuse me, it's a resolution of the city's intent to annex.

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And that goes to the boundary of the board.

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The boundary of the board, it's the most kind of boundary of the board, has two options.

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They look at it and say, yes, it's a success.

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And we don't need to have a hearing on it and we can send a letter to our support. Or they can decide to hold their own public hearing and go through that process.

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The last annexation we had, it was a pop-up, an idiot, one property owner was within

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the side, our urban growth area, and the boundary of the board declined to do a hearing

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and just sent us a letter saying, yes, go ahead and report.

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But it really is up to them, they give to me that decision.

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And once the boundary viewboard reviews it, it goes back to the council and then the council

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adopts an ordinance, accepting the annexation.

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So at that point, the council is not obligated to accept it, they could still deny it at

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that point, but it's quite a waste to the process, but they do have got that right.

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And then what's the ordinance adopted? Then it goes through and we have to notify the state when you set it back to the county and all of the legal boundaries of the city get changed.

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So it's quite an end up the process.

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It can take, I think the last one we did, it took a little over a year to do.

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And it was a pretty simple one.

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There's a lot of work at a finding, or at this level,

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at a state level, to try and find easier ways

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to do that annexation.

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The intent of the Gross Management Act

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is that our urban group values, the city,

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annexes up to our urban group values, not beyond the exit.

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A lot of cities are not annexing those areas.

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There's a lot of reasons for that, a lot of financial reasons for that.

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So there is some talk of the administrative level about user ways to want to make the process easier.

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And then is there a way to make it a little more financially viable?

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which was a who determines the urban growth area or what determines the urban

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areas of the city. Is that the state? Is the state say this is how far you

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can go or question. So when the growth of natural act was adopted, I think the

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First, initialist was 1990, and then there was a big fall of 2001.

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So after GMA was adopted, all the cities and counties got together and really looked

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at our boundaries and potential growth.

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So 1990, what is that 30 years ago?

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Those urban growth boundaries were set then, okay, one time, one, two, five, four.

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And what's happened is through that document process that we talked about in the top line.

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There's ways to request amendments to the urban growth boundaries.

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It's not easy.

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We have another layer of planning.

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You may recall when we were doing the top line.

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So, start with a group management app, and then it goes to a regional planning of a very

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process of transportation, and it's true that you just have a regional council, but it goes

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down to countywide, excuse me, pointing policies, and then it comes down to the city.

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So, there's a lot of regional and countywide policies that talk about when you can change

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those urban buildings and then we can't. And really is that maintaining the growth within the cities and not having, you know, a spillover into the regional, the rural areas.

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So those are, those are, an amendment requested a county level to change those urban buildings.

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So, an excitation can only be done within that urban closed area that is currently in place.

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Yeah, somebody could apply for it, but we wouldn't process it, we wouldn't recommend it, but that way to live.

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State law did change.

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Don't worry about the last year, you're going to allow for easier transfer of urban properties.

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This is a good example, we considered this this year.

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Our northern urban growth boundary, where shank is, when it goes down to pioneer highway.

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It's really difficult for us to get sewer out there, because of topography to inflow.

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So, maybe we should submit a request to change that urban growth boundary,

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and push it over to the east where it's easier. So, yeah, we got 64 of them, you know,

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but 32 and I'll let that make sense to do that. We decided not to do that this year,

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maybe something that the city might want to consider either of the five year update of the 10 year.

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But the state allowed for equal transfer.

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right yeah so there's some little bit of flexibility that's coming to

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some of the state laws I don't I don't expect that they will allow for expansion

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of UGA's in this next cycle. The push at the state level has been up, not out.

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Yeah. And you see that a lot with the last conference update that they really were pushing

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population in our transportation corridors. You know, we're putting a lot of money into

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rapid transit the sounder and all of that. So that's what it really pushed a lot of the

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world.

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I do want to note that I just want to make it clear that this,

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well, chart has

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a couple of years ago, because it's so 60% of the property owners. It means 360% of the

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system value. So Mickey and her office is making some changes to their settings and how

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quite yet. So what I was telling you about the evaluation and what's on the chart for

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the different.

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So now the next couple are the type 4 council improvements. The

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first one we've got for you is the site specific results. And let's have the

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intensity to confuse the public. There are two types of results. There's a

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It feels like it's hot in the middle. That's where if you are somebody

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Passing for change in ZOMA and co-authentic dimension of a piece of property. So it goes with a co-planet amendment, for an example.

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Somebody has a commercial piece of property, and she said it. I'm just making this happen. And they want that to be changed to residential.

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That's the compliment because you're changing the land use designation from one being put another thing.

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A site specific reason and why this is that it falls into a more of the permanent level process is if you're requesting a reason that is consistent with the compliment.

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So, I just took a snippet out of the comp plan, some of this graphic, thank you, read it.

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So, we have load and see residential, we have medium-down see residential, and you can see this two different zoning.

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So, let's just take the type one, the load and see residential. There's two zoning districts in there.

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We have it both forms of homo and a nine six-cell.

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So a scientific reason would be if somebody had a 12-folder zone property and they wanted to

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resort to a nine six.

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That doesn't require a change in the context of this patient in the same, but they're changing the zoning designation.

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Now there's so lot of different rules that you can't do, you know,

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reasons and isolation of each other and all that type of stuff.

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But that really is the difference between site-specific and content.

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This used to be more common prior to the growth management at when I first started planning.

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I don't know about Chris.

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Our content, our live content, the math was totally different than our own math, where I worked.

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There was no consistency between that.

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So, so those type of reasons happen a little bit more often.

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Now, with the graph management act that say they have to be consistent with each other,

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more rare.

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I don't, I don't think that process decides to submit the result in 15 years.

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I think it's going to quite well.

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So that is a permanent process.

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It goes, that process would go through a planning commission review and recommendation,

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and then with the Council final action on that.

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So that's why it's a type for it.

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Again, anything that changes your comp plan for your zoning, anything like that is always

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to go to the council at the end of the day.

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And then the next one is a development agreement.

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A development agreement is really focused on one particular project.

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Maybe multiple lots, but it's a project that's being done by the developer.

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And it is a creation of a contract between that developer and the city.

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We're signing this agreement, says this is what you're going to be allowed to do on this property.

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This is how you're going to develop that property, and this is how long this agreement is going to last.

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It gets recorded.

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It goes through the planning and it goes to the council.

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And then it gets recorded and it gets the property.

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So it doesn't go with the developer, it goes with the land.

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So the developer comes in and they want to do, you know, ABC development, each and they sell it.

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that contract goes with it. You may have heard it on news, there was a bunch of stuff about

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city of Clellum. They had a developmental degree in it. It was, well, I think they signed it for

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20 years. It was a long time and it was previous councils then a bit signed it.

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And then the developer, a new developer came in and wanted to pick up that developmental

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event and the city clearly all didn't want that anymore. And the court in the event of

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going to court and the court said, you signed this contract, this is a really, really

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binding to the contract, and you have to audit it. So cities that give a little more cautious about

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signing some of these agreements. And if they are doing that, we're just talking with my

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finder, it appears, they're talking about maybe keeping those data

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in the round of about the open print.

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So there's advantages to both sides.

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You hear from developers all the time that they

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want predictability and they want certainty.

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Developing agreements do that.

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It allows for a phased project or a product or phased

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over multiple years. It provides some certainty for a development that they come in and

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they start a project, but it might take, you know, three or four years to go through it

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at five years to go through it. He gives them that certainty.

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So the sensitivity is just benefits because we can ask for, it's a negotiation, that's a contract.

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We can ask for different things. We may ask for, you know, better.

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And only standards, I shouldn't say that.

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Architectural standards, or more open space,

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fluctuation of uses, you know, as long as they're allowed to be mental.

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So there's benefits to both sides, but it also needs to be just very carefully considered.

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Because once that document is signed, it's binding.

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And that's another reason why it's a kind of forward, because it's a contract.

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and so Council are the only ones that can bind the city to the decision.

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Okay, so that gets me through the sections of the phone.

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There are some other sections that I didn't have in the presentation.

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There's a test to do with cleaning up definitions,

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moving up the nations around and up the type of things.

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So we have two options with this one.

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I mean, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't, we didn't want to be fun.

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And I think, you know, as, you know, the introduction.

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But as I mentioned before, it's a very precise role.

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It's a heavily-related role, a regulated role.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The RCW is on, but in the back.

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So, you know, we've got the revised codes,

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Washington, and Washington, and Washington.

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It's state last on how we used to be fun.

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So, we have an option, option one.

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So as we can bring it back again for a second reading for a new option too, we can bring it back for another reading but also for the public hearing of the same time.

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So what's that?

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I'm going to open it up to the additional questions.

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General circumstances, or thoughts on how you'd like to proceed.

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Let's go. The commissioner. So there's any questions about the federal material?

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No problems.

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Do you have details on what specific is changing as on your third slide that briefly covers it?

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But pretty much what you were covering is to give us a better understanding of each one of the

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effects. So,

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this we are deleting old codes and writing

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only once and we're rewriting everything so that it is reader friendly.

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It's not a lot of, it's a kind of text-free changes, it's more of its procedural,

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making sure that it was closed correctly in that pedestal. So, I'm happy to provide

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more detail on that next time, but I also have what you'll see in the, so if you go to

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exhibit a pinch 21, the same way, but

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we have two highlighters that we use on these code

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limits. One has kind of a yellow highlighter that brings out significant issues and then the

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So we don't have any yellow highlighters in these ones because it's mostly procedural and it has to do with

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What section of code did we move it from or what are we doing or if it was consistent with

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You know other procedures just looking at page 27 of 75 under the docket and it says those consolidates to make a proposal and that good

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So the section that was also rewritten in the clarity.

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So there's not a lot of significant changes.

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There's more making the code clear,

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dividing out some of the conflicting sections.

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So if you take a look at that,

447
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that's we purposely didn't do the track changes on use codes

448
00:40:02,940 --> 00:40:07,600
because it would have been a nightmare, but it would have been changed.

449
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:16,940
But like in the, if you go to the parking code,

450
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:20,920
just give me a hand, just show me the difference.

451
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:27,400
We have quite a few proposed changes, and there's some yellow highlighters in here.

452
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:32,460
Those are yellow highlighters, are policy issues that we need to work through.

453
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:40,060
Yeah.

454
00:40:40,180 --> 00:40:45,380
Let's take my comment to be heard by if we move forward through a public hearing, would your

455
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:46,960
presentation be similar?

456
00:40:48,100 --> 00:40:51,160
Because I'm always concerned, what's the public going to see with this?

457
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,160
Like, are you telling me a whole bunch of policy change?

458
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,280
What do you want me to get out of it?

459
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,660
And I know you discussed the process, right?

460
00:41:00,140 --> 00:41:01,180
We're changing the process.

461
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:01,660
Yeah.

462
00:41:01,780 --> 00:41:04,820
So I do like how the slides are set up to show the process.

463
00:41:04,820 --> 00:41:13,270
I don't know if I'm kind of stuck on what we would get from a public to say that works and that doesn't work or it's just like

464
00:41:13,270 --> 00:41:14,670
Do's overdoing

465
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:17,870
That's kind of a

466
00:41:17,870 --> 00:41:19,870
We'll kind of deep back

467
00:41:19,870 --> 00:41:21,730
We'll walk from the

468
00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:23,490
Public right over here

469
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:33,460
So the process is laid out pretty much by state law that we have to do and most time we've been making that in a reader for me

470
00:41:34,860 --> 00:41:35,380
so

471
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:44,440
One, we have to hold a public hearing because it's a change to the municipal code that is part of the year by development curve.

472
00:41:45,220 --> 00:41:49,440
Two, I would be looking for some of these processes that don't make sense.

473
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:51,040
It's not clear.

474
00:41:53,460 --> 00:42:00,760
There's some changes that should be added to the steps of the amendment process.

475
00:42:02,260 --> 00:42:17,240
So I'd be looking for those type of, we can't change the general practice of how do we do it in a minute, but we could certainly add additional detail if it's not clear.

476
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:26,480
We came reword the criteria if that's not clear enough in terms of what you review it is.

477
00:42:29,300 --> 00:42:32,440
Sometimes, when we have this language about,

478
00:42:33,240 --> 00:42:34,560
it has to be, you know,

479
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:37,020
that's to protect what I help well for and say things.

480
00:42:37,340 --> 00:42:38,900
I'm just showing that as an example.

481
00:42:39,700 --> 00:42:44,340
You know, maybe there's some desire to expand on that.

482
00:42:44,340 --> 00:42:45,380
What does that mean?

483
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,300
You know, does that help?

484
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:51,480
The process is going to stay the same.

485
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:52,660
It's just happening.

486
00:42:52,660 --> 00:42:54,300
I think that's the process.

487
00:42:54,300 --> 00:43:00,200
The process is nothing like what changed from how we currently do things to what we're

488
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,460
proposing for the change because the only change it's really obvious is like we're going

489
00:43:04,460 --> 00:43:10,360
from 17 with 18, that's just the big change, but the process itself has not changed.

490
00:43:12,300 --> 00:43:19,820
It's clearly a language, I guess one of the most significant changes, like I said was putting

491
00:43:19,820 --> 00:43:22,000
the each one of these in their own section.

492
00:43:25,660 --> 00:43:29,780
Separating out the codependent process from the

493
00:43:31,140 --> 00:43:32,060
resoul process.

494
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:36,600
Is it all mixed sense?

495
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:37,300
You know what I'm saying?

496
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,600
I like how you have it laid out.

497
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,040
I'm just looking for what would change.

498
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,280
That's not the change.

499
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,620
I think that's where, like, an explanation of front or something,

500
00:43:47,020 --> 00:43:49,180
that didn't really change except when from 1718,

501
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,540
I'm going to go through things that like this.

502
00:43:51,540 --> 00:43:53,120
And here's not a book.

503
00:44:01,690 --> 00:44:04,150
I provide more detail for you on that.

504
00:44:07,300 --> 00:44:08,580
I guess you're looking for our option.

505
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:09,380
We're going to go.

506
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,800
Yeah, I'm happy if you want to have a greater discussion

507
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,460
about that next time.

508
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,040
We can do that.

509
00:44:17,060 --> 00:44:18,820
Or we could do that with a public hearing.

510
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:20,580
And so to you, how you want to proceed?

511
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,220
I would probably go with the public hearing

512
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:27,080
but I'll let everybody else.

513
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:29,060
I feel the same way.

514
00:44:29,500 --> 00:44:31,440
I think we could do it at the same time.

515
00:44:33,260 --> 00:44:37,440
I don't think we'll get a whole lot more out of re-reviewing this.

516
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,060
We probably more of the same, but I think we go into public hearing.

517
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,820
Then we sell our opportunity to ask questions if we have...

518
00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:46,360
Of course.

519
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:56,720
And you have to always have the option to continue that public hearing as well.

520
00:44:57,100 --> 00:44:57,220
Right?

521
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,060
You know, as much time as you need to review it and be comfortable with it.

522
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:26,080
And I think public hearing would be good, but as Patrick was saying, I agree that to try to get more detail on what change, because most of the criteria is just saying that it's some vastly rewritten, but we can't see what the differences and what the benefits are.

523
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,580
is what I was kind of looking for.

524
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
I also don't want to slow down the process either.

525
00:45:45,580 --> 00:45:49,260
So I think it's going to go to public areas. Just keep it moving forward.

526
00:45:51,140 --> 00:45:51,480
There we go.

527
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,080
Okay.

528
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,260
So we're going to go ahead and move forward with the public hearing.

529
00:45:58,460 --> 00:46:00,320
You'd like more detail on what changes.

530
00:46:00,780 --> 00:46:05,640
And then I just heard about what is the benefits of the changes.

531
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:12,440
So, that's what I'll put together for you in the next video just.

532
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:13,760
Pretty good.

533
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:15,060
That worked for you.

534
00:46:16,780 --> 00:46:16,980
Okay.

535
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,100
So that wrapped up that one, and next we'll go into the $40 minute.

536
00:46:40,780 --> 00:46:42,640
Parking because it's a little more complicated.

537
00:46:43,340 --> 00:46:44,140
That's okay.

538
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,060
So in general, the parking contaminants were pulling that same format.

539
00:46:55,980 --> 00:46:59,800
We're following the same guidance that we have had before.

540
00:47:01,060 --> 00:47:05,440
It's not this entire municipal code process of simplifying the language,

541
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,400
the legalizing language, maybe a reader friendly.

542
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,060
One of the goals that we need to look at with the preppy code is,

543
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,540
you have to find the balance.

544
00:47:20,260 --> 00:47:30,340
And this, this is where it gets probably a little trickier between, we have a left parking over parking under parking.

545
00:47:30,500 --> 00:47:36,580
We're trying to find that sweet spot in the parking regulations based on different uses.

546
00:47:36,580 --> 00:47:46,680
So, this code really talks about the parking stall standards, was a dimensional required

547
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:55,760
of parking lot development standards, as well as the number of stalls per use.

548
00:47:57,500 --> 00:48:01,940
One of the things that we are looking at there is many landscape links in the live

549
00:48:01,940 --> 00:48:08,960
protection, so that all the landscaping of one section and you don't have landscaping

550
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:09,960
in the parking.

551
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:15,600
So we are looking at that.

552
00:48:18,910 --> 00:48:23,170
One of our goals, as I mentioned, is to simplify

553
00:48:23,170 --> 00:48:28,750
the code as much as possible, and so parking itself. So in the legislative code, we added

554
00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:33,830
flow of trust to help people understand the process, here we've been trying to add some tables.

555
00:48:33,830 --> 00:48:38,830
to help can elicit the general damage,

556
00:48:39,470 --> 00:48:39,890
not different,

557
00:48:41,970 --> 00:48:43,590
but the dimension standards.

558
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:47,610
So what you have here is we added a table,

559
00:48:48,730 --> 00:48:49,990
and let me see if I can,

560
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:54,230
that's going to be in your packet,

561
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:56,170
the summary, it's on page 49,

562
00:48:58,490 --> 00:49:00,250
but for any of you who are quoted,

563
00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:03,250
So it's on page 60 of 75.

564
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:10,770
In the parking code, you are seeing some trap changes in some comments

565
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:13,770
because we had it reviewed by our senior attorney.

566
00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:16,390
And I think Chris, we have some comments in for the question.

567
00:49:17,730 --> 00:49:21,490
So you can see that this one requires kind of a more

568
00:49:22,350 --> 00:49:27,350
unconcidivation before we proceed to adhering on this one.

569
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:32,130
But the dimensional standards, we're trying to consolidate

570
00:49:32,130 --> 00:49:38,250
into one spot. So it has our regular parking standards. As a residential standards and it has

571
00:49:38,250 --> 00:49:45,610
our non-residential standards. One of the things that we made some small minor changes to when

572
00:49:45,610 --> 00:49:50,510
we were doing the missing metal housing, you might remember there was a state lot of change that said

573
00:49:50,510 --> 00:50:01,230
you couldn't, that the parking still had to be 8 by 18 where our code was 8 to help by 18. So we had

574
00:50:01,230 --> 00:50:07,010
of a parking column. And then we also added in the accessible parking

575
00:50:07,010 --> 00:50:12,870
and state numbers. I don't think that's right now in our code and stuff

576
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:20,830
that we are crushingly talking to people about. So those are a couple of new items

577
00:50:20,830 --> 00:50:22,930
that we added to the eventual standards.

578
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:28,860
They review our parking amendment.

579
00:50:31,100 --> 00:50:31,620
There's some things

580
00:50:31,620 --> 00:50:40,140
So it happened pretty regularly in the city in our planning department when projects come through.

581
00:50:40,620 --> 00:50:46,600
There's a section that comes in and allows for developers to ask for deviations or reductions.

582
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:56,000
And we get this pretty, it's a pretty common request when we have an immediate and large size projects.

583
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,460
And they asked to reduce the amount of parking.

584
00:51:00,380 --> 00:51:01,940
And we have two ways to do that.

585
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,920
We can have them do a parking step,

586
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:10,000
based on their particular use and

587
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:11,940
projection of parking,

588
00:51:12,340 --> 00:51:13,680
projection of traffic.

589
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:18,120
And we also have the ability to reduce

590
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:24,040
the parking stop by the Institute of

591
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:33,360
traffic engineers. We always just call it the ITE manual. And that's a really big manual. It has a

592
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:40,220
summary of all these different uses. And I don't have like shopping malls, and then they

593
00:51:40,220 --> 00:51:45,380
could have minor shopping malls. I mean, it's a big box, a big book. Now, it has all these different

594
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:52,600
uses that you could take down. And kind of nationalized standard number of installs or trips,

595
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,160
legal trips that are generated by these type of uses.

596
00:51:58,690 --> 00:52:03,250
What we have found over the years is that our parking count

597
00:52:03,250 --> 00:52:08,730
is almost always higher than the ITE manual.

598
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,590
And so we see reductions happen in quite a bit from that.

599
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,400
So if the approach is that we're doing these reductions,

600
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,140
then maybe we should be looking at our parking standards

601
00:52:22,140 --> 00:52:26,060
and see if they are too high and should be adjust those.

602
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,980
So that's one of the items that we gave to the...

603
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:39,740
It's on us for us to look at the parking, our parking stand and the relationship to the ITE manual to see where we fit.

604
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:51,120
And that's that whole discussion at the very beginning of, like, how do we find the balance between what our codes are, what the ITE manuals are, you know.

605
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:55,100
We don't want to over park the site, but we don't want to under park it either.

606
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:03,380
So, do you have data on deviations then? Because if you say the contractors are given the deviations,

607
00:53:03,980 --> 00:53:08,260
they're actually asking for how those deviations would affect.

608
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,240
Are they asking for like bigger spaces, smaller spaces?

609
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,340
Smaller? Always smaller. Always smaller.

610
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:16,180
Yeah.

611
00:53:16,180 --> 00:53:17,340
So they could fit more in.

612
00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:18,040
Yeah.

613
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:25,020
I can put together a kind of summary of the deviations over the last five years of the next week.

614
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:27,080
I think that'd be a great data point.

615
00:53:27,260 --> 00:53:35,120
But we've got to know what everybody's asking for versus what we're saying, the restrictions are.

616
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:37,320
Okay. Yeah, that's a lot of time.

617
00:53:37,780 --> 00:53:39,220
That's an easy one.

618
00:53:39,260 --> 00:53:40,900
I want to be as well.

619
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,220
The packet, there's a table.

620
00:53:51,580 --> 00:53:52,860
It's quite a big table.

621
00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:56,720
And that table has the uses.

622
00:53:57,820 --> 00:53:59,960
It has what the existing code is.

623
00:53:59,960 --> 00:54:05,340
has what the proposed code is and what the differences.

624
00:54:08,380 --> 00:54:11,740
So if you look at page 51 of 75,

625
00:54:12,940 --> 00:54:14,660
this looks like this building.

626
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,180
And so that goes for real.

627
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,060
All of the changes.

628
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,540
And some of them are new uses.

629
00:54:26,220 --> 00:54:27,260
Some of them are changed.

630
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,980
Some of them were deleted.

631
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:39,500
deleted from the headband changed, but this is really kind of the bulk of what the changes are in a parking.

632
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,120
So

633
00:54:44,580 --> 00:54:47,740
is that the actual table that you sent in?

634
00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:49,300
Yeah, okay.

635
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,480
So we shouldn't look through this.

636
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:59,440
We could go through this a little bit more or you can take the next month and really kind of do a deep dive into it.

637
00:55:00,740 --> 00:55:05,780
I think this is one part of the book about discussions in my life.

638
00:55:08,260 --> 00:55:14,840
In terms of the code amendment itself, there are some new sections or amended sections that we have.

639
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,720
We added a section on our, or excuse me, electric vehicles.

640
00:55:19,020 --> 00:55:20,840
We didn't have that in a code before.

641
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,820
That's obviously a new technology since the last time the code is updated.

642
00:55:26,820 --> 00:55:35,300
So there's information in there in terms of it's allowed as a one to one.

643
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:42,660
So if you're required to have 10 parking spaces and you put two of those as electric vehicles is still only 10 spaces.

644
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:44,880
So it's inclusive of those.

645
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,520
There's three different levels for electric vehicles.

646
00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:50,740
There's level one through three.

647
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,120
And basically is following how fast those vehicles charge.

648
00:55:55,120 --> 00:56:06,900
So level 1 is a slow level 2 is a medium and level 3 is a really fast charging, but there's some restrictions on where the fast charging can go.

649
00:56:06,900 --> 00:56:11,460
This was an interesting thing. I didn't know anything about this until it was two years

650
00:56:11,460 --> 00:56:20,300
night. Some of those fast chargers over heap, I guess, and can cost fires if we didn't

651
00:56:20,300 --> 00:56:27,360
can find space. So that's why there's only allowed in open parking lots and not in the ground

652
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:35,100
facility. So there's a whole section on that. There's a new section on temporary parking.

653
00:56:35,100 --> 00:56:42,340
This is some things, this is a section that we added specifically because of the issues

654
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:48,180
that were experienced over the last few years with special events, some of our parks

655
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:49,600
and it will overflow parking.

656
00:56:50,780 --> 00:57:01,440
So we want to provide some flexibility to allow temporary parking or early to find events.

657
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:12,800
It's a special event, whether it's to be a private event, to be a intelligent event, as well as some of our parks.

658
00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:21,660
You have been to Heritage Park when some of the games have been over, and there's like parking everywhere.

659
00:57:21,660 --> 00:57:28,900
You know, along levers around on the fields itself, it gets a little crazy, so we want

660
00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,620
to be able to allow some flexibility there.

661
00:57:33,740 --> 00:57:43,480
And then the down-to-how mixed use districts has had working requirements and other sections

662
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:49,280
of the codes, so we're just going to consolidate all of the parts into that one particular place.

663
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,120
We didn't make any changes, major changes to that,

664
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:56,440
but we did pull it over from different parts of the code.

665
00:57:59,630 --> 00:58:03,470
There are some existing sections of the code

666
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:06,990
that I would really like to highlight for you.

667
00:58:07,090 --> 00:58:09,530
So you know that we didn't get rid of these.

668
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:14,810
So there's an upstream parking requirements

669
00:58:14,810 --> 00:58:18,750
in terms of how far away the parking styles

670
00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:25,710
have to be from the use, or that's into the code that's existing, I think it can't

671
00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:30,810
be any more than five hundred feet from the original use, and so a lot of these were just

672
00:58:30,810 --> 00:58:36,090
reworked into the flying language. We have joint use and shared property ingredients.

673
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:38,970
So that

674
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:46,930
could be where you have mixed use projects or really a good example of this, where you have maybe

675
00:58:46,930 --> 00:58:54,350
have a date-time use, even use, and instead of having both a date-time and even, which

676
00:58:54,350 --> 00:59:00,190
you could like double your parking requirements, it allows you to be sure parking.

677
00:59:03,650 --> 00:59:11,590
We have, we still have a parking administration, administrative parking on that, but even though

678
00:59:11,590 --> 00:59:23,690
We are looking at ITE Danielas head of the base for a parking and maybe times when administrative amendments might be necessary through a parking study.

679
00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:35,550
We also several years ago adopted an inception to allow for preservation of critical areas or trees.

680
00:59:35,550 --> 00:59:46,050
And so we're pulling, we're keeping that section, and then just standard loading areas and vehicle access.

681
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:52,490
We just included that in the code again, just cleaned up the way we entered it.

682
00:59:55,340 --> 00:59:58,400
So that's kind of a summary of the ordinance itself.

683
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,980
I'm truly excited.

684
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:17,540
You guys should probably get into the details of that big table. So, it's up to you. If you want to take this home as far as working, and you guys do pretty good at that, if you want to get into the details of that table, let's say thing.

685
01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:31,850
I would recommend that we continue into October as part of these work sessions style and I don't think I just don't think we're ready to hold a public hearing on this yet.

686
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:41,400
I'm happy to follow your answer's recommendations if you like the public comments.

687
01:00:42,020 --> 01:00:47,420
First, to consider that it's probably your deliberations if you do that as well.

688
01:00:47,420 --> 01:00:52,420
I know we did that a couple times with some of the email, let's say.

689
01:00:55,380 --> 01:00:56,660
Oh, Patricia heard that.

690
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,780
I'd like to have questions.

691
01:00:58,280 --> 01:00:59,520
I'd like to have questions.

692
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:00,760
I'd like to go around.

693
01:01:01,220 --> 01:01:02,060
I'd like to have questions.

694
01:01:02,060 --> 01:01:03,120
I'd like to have questions.

695
01:01:03,980 --> 01:01:04,160
I'd like to have questions.

696
01:01:04,900 --> 01:01:04,980
Yep.

697
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:06,960
So Patricia,

698
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:16,680
with ITE, is there anything that is specific to Stample?

699
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:23,060
has there been any parking studies, anything outside of ITE that's specific to Stanley?

700
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:35,620
The ITE is not jurisdictional, it is, it may look at all these different projects

701
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:40,400
or whatever, it will come up with these kind of natural standards,

702
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,840
we have some specific projects

703
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,640
So parking studies that I could hold data from that.

704
01:01:53,060 --> 01:01:57,120
And as I, after Andre sent this out,

705
01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,060
I just heard drive and walk.

706
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,380
And there's a big difference between personal and residential.

707
01:02:04,060 --> 01:02:06,300
And I think on the residential side,

708
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:15,340
I honestly feel that we are under requiring parking

709
01:02:15,340 --> 01:02:22,620
because of how many cars are to drive ways, how much street parking is being used, and that is in

710
01:02:22,620 --> 01:02:29,040
every residential neighborhood. And as I was looking through the table, I'm seeing that okay,

711
01:02:30,660 --> 01:02:37,360
that there's a little bit of reduction, but for the most part it stays the same, where first I think that's a

712
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:44,100
a little bit of a mistake. So, and, and the wise ask you, there's, there's anything specific to

713
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:50,800
city of Stanwood, because I think Stanwood is very unique, where the ITE manual is not

714
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:58,860
focused on us. And I think it's because Stanwood, we have restaurants and grocery stores, but

715
01:02:58,860 --> 01:03:03,880
some of these that run in Costa Rica, or Target, or Walmart, everybody has to drive out of town,

716
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:11,520
which is fine, but there's so many houses that have cars, further I think because of the housing

717
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:18,960
crisis, I think that people are staying more multi-generational and kids are staying in houses

718
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:26,800
longer, so there's a lot more people staying in houses, and as a drove around Stanwood around

719
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:29,200
and we'll just say the Cedar Home area.

720
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:34,120
I see that, there's houses that people are parking on their lawns

721
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,520
because there's no parking on the street available

722
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,160
and there's so many people that live there.

723
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,820
I see driveways that have four or five cars

724
01:03:41,820 --> 01:03:43,720
and then additional cars on the street.

725
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:52,020
So I think that is a great time to look at parking in a hole

726
01:03:52,020 --> 01:03:54,980
but more on the residential side than I think we're going to

727
01:03:54,980 --> 01:04:02,820
we're going to have to look at that longer. Secondly, on the EV side, I like where you're doing

728
01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:09,560
different stages, but also I think that should have a category for EV ready in civil states

729
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:16,540
that I work in with other jurisdictions. They have a requirement for EV ready, so that basically

730
01:04:16,540 --> 01:04:23,700
the wiring is there and up to the developer or future need that they can put in a sort of level

731
01:04:23,700 --> 01:04:26,380
chargert, what do I think is good to try to do?

732
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:31,860
Yeah, one more thing, we didn't put in a requirement for any stations.

733
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:41,680
Now, the building code requires all new buildings, like residential, all of the garages

734
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:47,800
are being embedded in the building that they handle, but we didn't put in with the parking lots.

735
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,140
Is that something that you're interested in?

736
01:04:50,140 --> 01:04:53,180
I think of the commercial side where you have to kind of look at that.

737
01:04:55,380 --> 01:05:00,880
Yeah, so state law requires certain number of eating stations. And then I thought we had

738
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:06,880
reference CRCW and the co-dependent dot go back and forth. Yeah, I thought that should look at that.

739
01:05:07,340 --> 01:05:12,360
But anyways, it's really specific. I'm wondering what it's based on the used category

740
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:19,840
and then when it's required. So we have to follow state law and as far as

741
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,040
you in a commercial business. So we make sure we look at that as part of the

742
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:29,500
review and approval process. As far as residential is concerned, unfortunately,

743
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:34,880
the legislature is tired of hands. You can only require two parking stalls per second.

744
01:05:35,740 --> 01:05:43,200
But as we're reviewing that, we can adjust that. That's part of why we're having these discussions.

745
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:43,560
Well,

746
01:05:48,060 --> 01:06:08,320
they were just talking about this as a binder and just talking, so like there was a code or a law, a bill that was being considered during the last legislative session that applies to cities greater than it gets 30,000, so we're not there yet.

747
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:28,360
But they also represent it as we're just saying that bill's going to come back and it will be in the 27th session whether you're looking at really restricting the members, the stalls that a city can fire.

748
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:36,440
So currently, the state law says we can't require more than two.

749
01:06:36,700 --> 01:06:42,300
Two, you have to allow for tandem parking, and you can only require one for any of you.

750
01:06:44,660 --> 01:06:47,360
And so that's what the code is in many of the shared access.

751
01:06:47,820 --> 01:06:49,160
What is the state law?

752
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:52,740
So other areas we're looking at reducing it.

753
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:55,760
So due places we're being reduced.

754
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,300
There's other categories.

755
01:06:58,300 --> 01:07:03,040
There's dwelling in a city family, yes, that's staying up to there's no change to that.

756
01:07:03,860 --> 01:07:05,880
But, and I'm not an expert at it.

757
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:06,320
I'm just...

758
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:06,600
Okay.

759
01:07:07,020 --> 01:07:09,600
Drive around, going, there's a lot of people in this family.

760
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:10,280
Yes.

761
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,000
They don't use their surroundings either.

762
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:13,880
So, for starters, for storage.

763
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:19,720
I have to say, in my neighborhood, I've come here with a few people

764
01:07:20,660 --> 01:07:22,680
that are quite kind of in my garage.

765
01:07:23,480 --> 01:07:26,800
So, what I'll do is, we'll do a semi-a-versus state law,

766
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,800
requirements and pull those bills and bring those.

767
01:07:30,790 --> 01:07:33,290
And then we'll also

768
01:07:36,580 --> 01:07:50,480
try to predict from our association, Washington State's and municipal research of, you know, where we think that's going to go with the 27th legislative.

769
01:07:56,280 --> 01:08:04,280
I think your problem addresses, they did fix that, the requirement is for a minimum, not a max of that.

770
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:10,080
Because you're talking about, you know, it's like, yeah, there's a minimum of two parking spaces, but I need sex.

771
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:12,900
And it says if the maximum is not addressed.

772
01:08:15,060 --> 01:08:32,850
I think the minimum needs to be what that further, because that's we're seeing more and more people with a single family at home and how many family homes have more than two cars.

773
01:08:33,570 --> 01:09:02,670
And I try to take that kind of, okay, a single family dwelling, like, okay, two cars, right, no change there, but there's people in the backyard cars, so that's where the, that's a state law, right, so we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, so we do require the 20 video for the distance between the garage and the right way to allow it for a partner.

774
01:09:02,850 --> 01:09:09,250
the rest of the way in addition to the garage problems because the garage should be utilized

775
01:09:09,250 --> 01:09:10,290
before you go.

776
01:09:10,410 --> 01:09:11,130
Technically, it's happening.

777
01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:14,070
And you can't obstruct the sidewalk and all of the stuff they're doing.

778
01:09:14,210 --> 01:09:18,370
So it's the state saying it's a maximum of two cars per single family hole.

779
01:09:18,670 --> 01:09:24,690
And we can't require more than two per unit, but it seems like a unit in Max and

780
01:09:24,690 --> 01:09:25,930
what they in the unit.

781
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:29,970
No, they can have big and provides lunches they like, but they're not going to, but they're

782
01:09:29,970 --> 01:09:30,490
going to.

783
01:09:30,510 --> 01:09:30,770
Yeah.

784
01:09:30,770 --> 01:09:38,450
It's what we also see too, which, and I think I made some notes in the codependent, is those

785
01:09:39,310 --> 01:09:46,250
town-home units and things like that, their garage doors on it is why it is what a park install

786
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:53,590
should be. And then a lot of times they'll have like their hot water heater or stitters or

787
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:58,210
the door that opens right into it and can't even actually really park a car and because it's not

788
01:09:58,210 --> 01:10:03,970
because of the other things that are in there, so when the reviewing building from there,

789
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:10,130
it's what you need to take that into consideration as well and say, no, your garage needs to

790
01:10:10,130 --> 01:10:13,930
meet the minimum standards for the hard two vehicles.

791
01:10:16,940 --> 01:10:19,140
So, and again, I think, I think I need

792
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:21,800
some notes in the combinator that,

793
01:10:24,230 --> 01:10:31,330
so as a suggestion to, so when we're reviewing stuff, we can go,

794
01:10:31,330 --> 01:10:45,850
you have to plan this. I see that same exact name, okay. So that's there. Then how does it look around the mixed use areas?

795
01:10:46,150 --> 01:10:53,370
Is that parking over under? Is that real crowded? That's one thing that you haven't really analyzed.

796
01:10:55,130 --> 01:10:56,110
I think we'll look at there.

797
01:10:56,110 --> 01:11:03,070
For me, I drove around the multi-use, around taco time,

798
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:07,370
and I'm going to go to that area before coming here.

799
01:11:09,090 --> 01:11:11,590
And the parking lot seemed to be a little fuller,

800
01:11:11,890 --> 01:11:15,050
but not overly, not, I didn't think it was that bad,

801
01:11:16,010 --> 01:11:16,890
but that's a beautiful one.

802
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:20,230
Yeah, we haven't received any complaints about that.

803
01:11:20,290 --> 01:11:22,750
I mean, it used to be a sea of parking

804
01:11:23,370 --> 01:11:31,010
before those next few buildings went in, you know, have all of the property had, I mean,

805
01:11:31,150 --> 01:11:38,770
the bank, when they did that, they had the foresight to do parking, to do parking

806
01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:46,450
in the greenlands along all of those. So, you know, you still have, like, just a bunch of empty parking

807
01:11:46,450 --> 01:11:54,490
to know they're being used and let's say they're probably around 80% full. So I don't think

808
01:11:54,490 --> 01:12:02,090
they're under part but they are not like in them. Yeah, I mean you can't always get a front row

809
01:12:02,090 --> 01:12:09,590
seat, right? Yeah. But there's a future product. I think is it called Viking Millage where

810
01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:15,570
that's no longer going to be in this specific building of apartments, right? Yes, so they have to

811
01:12:15,570 --> 01:12:17,970
part of the department, Sam, part of the town homes,

812
01:12:18,170 --> 01:12:19,690
and that part of the commercial uses.

813
01:12:21,490 --> 01:12:26,290
So the cyber-considering, at least when we reviewed it,

814
01:12:26,530 --> 01:12:29,410
they're utilizing the garage as an apartment space,

815
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:30,870
and there's no street parking,

816
01:12:31,770 --> 01:12:36,390
which our promise back then was nobody ever does that.

817
01:12:36,650 --> 01:12:37,570
Yeah, they have a pocket.

818
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:40,610
Alex, I'm working part of the market part,

819
01:12:40,810 --> 01:12:42,670
don't think I'm going to return or whatever else.

820
01:12:42,670 --> 01:12:43,810
So yeah, I don't know what's true.

821
01:12:44,450 --> 01:12:44,990
Yeah, I do.

822
01:12:46,610 --> 01:12:48,350
This is a tough subject,

823
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,180
because some of the bigger cities

824
01:12:56,740 --> 01:13:00,480
are like, you know, they're reducing significantly

825
01:13:00,480 --> 01:13:01,800
in the parking environment.

826
01:13:02,860 --> 01:13:04,500
But one of the suburban cities,

827
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,220
recently, the playground, because I've been talking

828
01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:08,620
up there, they're struggling with this as well.

829
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,240
Because, you know, this is not a one-size-fits-all

830
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:19,760
I guess the state's trying to teach it as a one-size-fits-all, but it's really not.

831
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:26,600
So urban has a lot of different parking needs, like downtown Seattle.

832
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:33,740
We don't have, I mean, we want to be a walkable community, but we're not, you know, people don't

833
01:13:33,740 --> 01:13:35,700
walk to the store here, right?

834
01:13:35,700 --> 01:13:42,100
Yeah, they get that card and they go to Hague, so if we go to, you know, PLC, right?

835
01:13:42,700 --> 01:13:47,060
We're working out a walkability, we're working out, you know, telling you if it gets to

836
01:13:47,060 --> 01:13:47,860
our sidewalks.

837
01:13:49,060 --> 01:13:53,840
But people typically, you know, like a, you know, according to their mom to the grocery store

838
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,820
and all their, you know, the grocery stuff.

839
01:13:57,380 --> 01:14:00,600
And as a bedroom community, everybody's driving to work.

840
01:14:03,780 --> 01:14:03,900
Yeah.

841
01:14:04,860 --> 01:14:05,200
Yeah.

842
01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:09,120
I think it's just unfortunate that they legislate with sports this month.

843
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:23,780
It's all, it's just, we're not Seattle, you know, we're not ever, you know, anything like that and so like, yeah, it's disappointing that, you know,

844
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:34,020
in Mary's, but we had a change in for three to two, we required three minimum for the single family and to have to take that away.

845
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:43,340
One thing that we do, but really closely on is if the road has parking on and to stator the driveways to make sure that we can maximize the on street parking.

846
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:56,840
So it's something to consider to live the road section that allows for parking on and that we when the reviewing a plan set to make sure that these driveways are offset some can actually park on the street.

847
01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:59,980
It worries they, you know, sometimes they kind of combine in.

848
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,900
And there's on that room to, yeah, maybe, actually, right at the point, we asked that.

849
01:15:04,620 --> 01:15:15,000
So we also, when we were working on our engineering standards, we're looking at the side of the street that has the fire hydrant.

850
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:21,980
And there's a parking lot on the other side. Yeah, because otherwise, you're doing this and sitting on it to the offset.

851
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:40,310
So I guess the bottom line is there still is local control over parking, but there's some limited areas where the state is saying, you have to do this.

852
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:52,910
And I anticipate we're hearing that the development committee is kind of really hard with the max legislative session to try to reduce parking for residential even more.

853
01:15:54,380 --> 01:15:59,200
So don't be surprised, would you just learn about that from us?

854
01:15:59,820 --> 01:16:06,060
Yeah, so in the first week, it married a woman allow for tan and party to count as a stall.

855
01:16:06,940 --> 01:16:09,080
And now the state says, you have to allow.

856
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:12,640
And tan can be more than two. It can be a line of five.

857
01:16:13,260 --> 01:16:16,620
And it's like, well, that doesn't really work.

858
01:16:17,540 --> 01:16:19,860
You know, so it's even two.

859
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:21,700
I haven't seen work successfully.

860
01:16:22,980 --> 01:16:27,660
So, basically, people have a 10-in garage and they've been into that for, you know, whatever

861
01:16:27,660 --> 01:16:29,380
they're strogians, right?

862
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,460
If they use their garage and all, they use it for the front, but people don't like it.

863
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:36,180
I'm going to.

864
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:37,020
Music or cars?

865
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:37,520
Yeah.

866
01:16:44,850 --> 01:16:48,090
So, it's almost why note,

867
01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:55,600
this is the required, it's almost like just reference the RCC of what

868
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,380
state requires and then almost have like a city recommendation is okay the state says too

869
01:17:00,380 --> 01:17:12,260
but we say we recommend for or what have you but it's yeah it's kind of sad but it

870
01:17:12,260 --> 01:17:18,040
residential parking of a problem here I think our job as the planning commission is the note

871
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:25,580
as not the city experts that this is the problem and just give me feedback from the community

872
01:17:25,580 --> 01:17:31,080
to the staff. Because another thing I noticed with that was like, do you talk about all the extra

873
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:35,800
parking, people parking on grass and all that stuff? People are parking on the stop signs,

874
01:17:36,100 --> 01:17:42,400
right at the corner. There's no 50 foot buffer. If there's sidewalk, there's a curb, there's a car.

875
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:47,800
Yeah. Yeah, there's a couple neighborhoods like a little drive through that some people park right

876
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:54,520
up to the crosswalks. And so if you're coming, can't see you, you know, somebody if they're walking.

877
01:17:54,520 --> 01:18:17,740
Yes, according, it's just like they'll just pop out, you know, especially kids with e-bikes, yeah, and that's even more dangerous and yeah,

878
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:22,620
yeah, we all

879
01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:28,460
home for all what are those going to be part of the story or behind the

880
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:33,960
commercial. Yeah, I did one thing that we can do and what I've done in the past

881
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:39,780
on town home projects and other ones is that actually they have you know

882
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:44,140
said CC and ours that specifically stayed at the garage I'll be utilized for

883
01:18:44,140 --> 01:18:48,580
parking and so then there's some tea fan thing you can actually do something

884
01:18:48,580 --> 01:18:55,420
coursemen or whoever the president of the HOA or whatever else has the opportunity to do that

885
01:18:55,420 --> 01:19:00,240
coursemen, so they're not taking up three or a parking in their lawn or things like that,

886
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:08,000
so that's one, one tool that we can realize, that's a four-party in our code scum and it's an restriction

887
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:16,460
on. So HOA, that's what we're looking for. So we have to be in our code of bill because we do not

888
01:19:16,460 --> 01:19:18,480
course CCNARS.

889
01:19:22,280 --> 01:19:25,840
I had a development where

890
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:34,640
it was built in the early 90s, you know, fire department

891
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:44,240
controlled the width of the streets, and there's CCNARS said no one's street parking,

892
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:45,940
That's my neighbor.

893
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:47,800
Yeah.

894
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:50,460
But of course, the city can't enforce that.

895
01:19:51,780 --> 01:19:54,060
But they have a very active, for one association.

896
01:19:54,680 --> 01:19:55,480
And they did.

897
01:19:56,220 --> 01:19:58,420
And we got complaints on both sides.

898
01:19:59,480 --> 01:20:00,140
And we're neutral.

899
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:05,000
Yeah.

900
01:20:07,140 --> 01:20:07,340
Yeah.

901
01:20:07,340 --> 01:20:07,380
Yeah.

902
01:20:07,700 --> 01:20:09,940
Especially neighborhoods that have to make narrow roads.

903
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:11,740
And if everybody has to park on one side,

904
01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:13,600
It's a seat, isn't it?

905
01:20:14,440 --> 01:20:15,400
It's quite a card.

906
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,440
I don't know.

907
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:18,960
It's the widest roads, probably.

908
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:21,080
Instead of camera and show you.

909
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:22,380
Yeah.

910
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:23,500
That has one.

911
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:24,900
I don't know.

912
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:26,240
Street parking.

913
01:20:27,620 --> 01:20:27,880
More.

914
01:20:28,060 --> 01:20:28,840
I think.

915
01:20:29,400 --> 01:20:31,760
Visitors can park from to 72 hours.

916
01:20:31,980 --> 01:20:32,420
But residents.

917
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:33,380
I know.

918
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:35,240
Park on the street.

919
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,020
We ran into that.

920
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:39,060
We got letters for a lot.

921
01:20:39,540 --> 01:20:41,400
And I always thought, how can they.

922
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:46,400
How can they control, it's a public streets, they don't own the street.

923
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:48,900
So how can they enforce that?

924
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,380
It just makes all that stupid.

925
01:20:51,140 --> 01:20:52,720
If I want to park on a public road,

926
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:57,700
and there's no sign that prohibits me to a park

927
01:20:57,700 --> 01:21:02,420
how can an HOA actually tell you you can't park a car on the street?

928
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:03,980
Makes sense.

929
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,380
I mean, I'm sure.

930
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:07,520
You could.

931
01:21:07,700 --> 01:21:09,600
Yeah, I don't know the legal...

932
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:29,700
And it's not even in the CC and R. It's in the rules of regulations. So, yeah, yeah, it's kind of kind of, kind of if you eat the blood, you know, by the way.

933
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:37,060
and the folks park in too close to stop signs and sidewalks and things like that's an

934
01:21:37,060 --> 01:21:41,380
enforcement issue and the first thing to do is to then take it on those types of things

935
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:47,960
and you know that's just what the restrictive parking does it makes people through that

936
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:49,620
because it's the only place they can more.

937
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:57,150
Well I'm hearing residential parking is one of

938
01:21:57,150 --> 01:22:01,950
your key issues and that's kind of what it sounds like all like residential

939
01:22:01,950 --> 01:22:06,610
the problem. I don't think mixed use is the problem. Yeah, I'm not hearing that. I'm not hearing

940
01:22:06,610 --> 01:22:15,390
I'm like, you know, the commercial spaces. Downtown is working fairly. And so, you know,

941
01:22:15,650 --> 01:22:20,130
you know, the two little historic downtown that we have, especially the other between

942
01:22:21,510 --> 01:22:27,390
88th and 84th, you know, the dining room parking, and we have the big parking lot in life. So those

943
01:22:27,390 --> 01:22:29,970
Businesses don't, they're not required to you.

944
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,400
Provided additional parking.

945
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:39,790
So you must be working fine. So there's some, you know, the short-down

946
01:22:39,790 --> 01:22:45,790
hands, like in with the brick brand, you know, we do have that parking lot. That's behind the old

947
01:22:45,790 --> 01:22:53,690
bank building. So I'm not hearing that those are concerns for you guys. And I would go back to the

948
01:22:53,690 --> 01:23:05,470
I use. I think it's going to be interesting what Cedar Hold Commons is, which is say, operational because they were asking for reduction at 300.

949
01:23:06,710 --> 01:23:08,270
Renered 80 parking stalls.

950
01:23:08,670 --> 01:23:10,070
It was 300 something.

951
01:23:10,330 --> 01:23:11,430
I remember it being that high.

952
01:23:11,670 --> 01:23:12,790
Yeah, it was a large amount.

953
01:23:14,570 --> 01:23:19,990
But just, and I don't know what ultimately was approved because what their building is definitely different than what we reviewed.

954
01:23:21,650 --> 01:23:29,130
So I don't know what the council ultimately agreed upon in a group.

955
01:23:30,130 --> 01:23:36,930
Yeah, that's one that we have to monitor pretty carefully to see how that is going to be.

956
01:23:36,930 --> 01:23:37,530
Yeah,

957
01:23:39,850 --> 01:23:57,090
but I know that we have two deviations up at the Hankins area where we went to approve the IT manual for those two issues, but I'm also working pretty well with that.

958
01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:01,950
So how you can buy it, probably about 80% next, you know,

959
01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:04,350
in terms of parking, and there's still a little bit there.

960
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:11,110
But those are really, those are pretty good

961
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:12,970
to say the whole thing, you know, the site share parking

962
01:24:12,970 --> 01:24:18,330
with it now, arbitrary property line, but affected

963
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:20,530
those areas are being parked.

964
01:24:23,170 --> 01:24:26,470
I'm going to send their occupancy rates 100%.

965
01:24:26,470 --> 01:24:27,830
I'm very units up there.

966
01:24:27,870 --> 01:24:28,250
I don't know.

967
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:34,310
I know they first built in, they had a waiting list, but the economy's different now, so I don't

968
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:36,120
I don't know if they have they can choose to fail.

969
01:24:38,170 --> 01:24:41,430
Is there a background of marketing, does that mean you're out?

970
01:24:42,330 --> 01:24:42,870
Yeah.

971
01:24:43,050 --> 01:24:47,470
I know the first few years they did this had a waiting list, the people couldn't get into them.

972
01:24:47,850 --> 01:24:53,770
The first one that was built 20 years ago, that one has the colors.

973
01:24:54,450 --> 01:24:54,810
Yes.

974
01:24:54,810 --> 01:25:05,450
That one has first floor parking, so they've covered their parking, but I don't think I've ever seen people part of the outside of that structure.

975
01:25:07,330 --> 01:25:08,610
Yeah, yeah, they do have a lot of work.

976
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:15,800
Okay.

977
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:17,840
So I guess you need to say yes.

978
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,860
These are, yeah, these are the edits we're still working through on this one.

979
01:25:21,860 --> 01:25:24,360
But it's, this is a close tool of the human.

980
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:27,000
We set to work on the sense.

981
01:25:27,140 --> 01:25:31,680
The lower kind of sounds like residential practice is an important issue.

982
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:35,280
A little bit deeper into this.

983
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:41,400
Figure out really what our legal authority is on the residential side.

984
01:25:43,180 --> 01:25:48,620
Because the states really get involved more and more with lead use issues.

985
01:25:51,400 --> 01:26:03,240
So there's a consistent thing coming out of the builders that Parking is one of the issues with affordable housing.

986
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:09,200
So that's hitting a lot of airtime at the legislature.

987
01:26:10,100 --> 01:26:12,080
I was out parking in a quarter of the housing.

988
01:26:12,100 --> 01:26:17,080
Well they're saying requiring a lot of excess Parking is increasing the cost of housing.

989
01:26:17,080 --> 01:26:21,660
There's a lot of sizes larger for lesser animal and our lesser square footage.

990
01:26:22,440 --> 01:26:29,580
And if you'd like for instance, if we provide three packet cells for a residential unit,

991
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:38,120
you know, takes a land area, cost a bill that takes away from household units.

992
01:26:39,080 --> 01:26:41,860
Like, there's no increase in the cost of maintenance, yeah.

993
01:26:42,740 --> 01:26:46,840
And is there a way to tie it to the number of bedrooms,

994
01:26:47,380 --> 01:26:49,460
curses, single-family home?

995
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:51,760
Because it's in here, it's in single-family home,

996
01:26:52,300 --> 01:26:55,340
but if you're seeing four or five bedroom homes,

997
01:26:55,780 --> 01:26:58,920
a little kids grow up and start driving and have cars,

998
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:00,220
et cetera, et cetera.

999
01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:03,520
I don't know, I just don't know, I just don't know that we have a problem.

1000
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,180
I don't know, but you know, I have to say,

1001
01:27:07,180 --> 01:27:14,700
around the three sisters that are as far or less, right, and they're all a year and a half

1002
01:27:14,700 --> 01:27:15,420
of each other.

1003
01:27:15,880 --> 01:27:21,600
So there was a tie when I was a 16-year-old and we all had our memories, because I was the last

1004
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:22,920
one of the group.

1005
01:27:23,860 --> 01:27:29,280
You know, we had like, by Christ of the House, I wasn't having to write my own book, and we all

1006
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:29,840
had to work.

1007
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:34,320
We all had to pay for our cards, and we all had to pay for our insurance before we can get

1008
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:39,300
That was what I was looking for.

1009
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:46,450
So that lasted one about three or four years.

1010
01:27:48,530 --> 01:27:49,630
That happens with families.

1011
01:27:51,070 --> 01:27:51,630
Yeah.

1012
01:27:51,630 --> 01:27:53,890
Well, maybe a little longer now though.

1013
01:27:54,570 --> 01:27:55,130
Yeah.

1014
01:27:55,170 --> 01:27:55,670
That's true.

1015
01:27:56,770 --> 01:27:57,070
Yeah.

1016
01:27:57,070 --> 01:27:58,310
Just with, I think a lot longer.

1017
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:59,010
Yeah.

1018
01:28:00,370 --> 01:28:00,670
Yeah.

1019
01:28:01,910 --> 01:28:03,430
And then a moment that I wasn't,

1020
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:06,410
Yeah.

1021
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:08,110
Yeah.

1022
01:28:08,810 --> 01:28:09,050
Yeah.

1023
01:28:09,670 --> 01:28:09,830
Yeah.

1024
01:28:10,030 --> 01:28:10,350
I'm sure.

1025
01:28:14,100 --> 01:28:14,380
All right.

1026
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:17,500
Well, I have a couple pages of notes on the package.

1027
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:28,580
So what I would suggest is we'll take these notes and we'll look into these a little bit more.

1028
01:28:28,660 --> 01:28:36,280
I would recommend that you guys to look at that table, that matrix, and bring to the October meeting.

1029
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:47,460
You know, your thoughts on the, I guess the ratio, most of it's like a ratio of square footage to

1030
01:28:47,460 --> 01:28:51,160
party or even counts can you know if you need anything with the

1031
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:57,230
reader reach out to us during a month.

1032
01:28:57,370 --> 01:29:04,230
If you have more questions or comments, so we'll bring that back to you after all.

1033
01:29:08,710 --> 01:29:14,510
Thanks, New Businesses. Good there. Mr. Linney is business. I have nothing on the agenda.

1034
01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:21,390
Item made is recent council action on commission items, the permitted piece matrix and

1035
01:29:21,390 --> 01:29:23,110
developers had ones.

1036
01:29:24,610 --> 01:29:30,570
We took that to the first reading. I think I will do and do two. Some scheduling issues that

1037
01:29:30,570 --> 01:29:38,050
I've had and some other issues. We are going to the next council meeting with the second

1038
01:29:38,050 --> 01:29:44,050
reading. So we are hopeful to have that with some of the work.

1039
01:29:47,530 --> 01:29:55,360
So hopefully we'll, oh, criminal at the, at the second reading, or if they have any changes to probably be minor.

1040
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,720
And then that would be the first reading.

1041
01:29:58,220 --> 01:29:59,640
Excuse me, first meeting you on October.

1042
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,260
So, that should get approved fairly soon.

1043
01:30:06,370 --> 01:30:10,610
On the upcoming events, the 2027, don't pre-insist plan amendment.

1044
01:30:12,950 --> 01:30:20,790
You may recall, I had talked about getting that ready for the funding commission to do an introduction to it,

1045
01:30:21,670 --> 01:30:26,410
but we did decide to move forward with opening a packet.

1046
01:30:26,410 --> 01:30:28,430
So that bucket is open.

1047
01:30:28,890 --> 01:30:36,650
So we're pushing back the introduction to the component until after if we receive any applications for the bucket.

1048
01:30:37,230 --> 01:30:42,470
So it's more likely something that you're going to see in early 2027.

1049
01:30:43,090 --> 01:30:48,330
May remember, we have been calling it the 2026, a compliment on that, and now we're changing

1050
01:30:48,330 --> 01:30:58,490
this to the 2027. But at the multi-modal level of service that you had, well, does she probably

1051
01:30:58,490 --> 01:31:04,670
have it? But the topics that we discussed a couple of times here in the money condition, that

1052
01:31:04,670 --> 01:31:14,810
be part of that academic material moving forward. We also know, we've been working with a

1053
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:21,930
couple of the owners of some affordable housing projects here in the stand and ones by

1054
01:31:21,930 --> 01:31:34,650
have passed by the way and they have projects that have crossed over property lines and we found

1055
01:31:34,650 --> 01:31:36,790
that when we were like talking to them,

1056
01:31:37,610 --> 01:31:40,050
that part of their parking lots were in,

1057
01:31:40,050 --> 01:31:41,190
like, so you'll have a residential,

1058
01:31:42,570 --> 01:31:44,990
but their buildings are in localite faith on money.

1059
01:31:45,390 --> 01:31:48,250
So we have some clean up, a little reason to clean up,

1060
01:31:48,330 --> 01:31:51,990
so we're going to do, we need to change those,

1061
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:54,750
so that everything is in a multi-family zone.

1062
01:31:55,310 --> 01:31:57,050
That is a compound amendment and reason

1063
01:31:57,050 --> 01:31:59,510
because we're changing it for a single-family

1064
01:31:59,510 --> 01:32:00,590
to a multi-family zone.

1065
01:32:00,870 --> 01:32:03,670
So we have a couple of those that we're going to be bringing

1066
01:32:03,670 --> 01:32:07,030
forward hopefully they'll be pretty straightforward.

1067
01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:11,990
So, and then with us that might come forward

1068
01:32:11,990 --> 01:32:15,730
out of the public request for changes for the topic.

1069
01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:20,670
So it's currently 27. Yeah, I think

1070
01:32:20,670 --> 01:32:28,390
I'm probably genuinely sure we should be able to have at least a summary of what those changes

1071
01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:33,010
why they distribute memory and think that we'll see it in a moment.

1072
01:32:34,250 --> 01:32:36,930
Yeah. So I think the back itself is through the internet of America.

1073
01:32:36,930 --> 01:32:40,370
It gives us to some of the put together in the cellulose.

1074
01:32:47,180 --> 01:32:49,500
I think it's too well. I am 10 for the journey.

1075
01:32:53,500 --> 01:32:55,130
We have a motion to adjourn for the media.

1076
01:32:56,180 --> 01:32:57,720
Go to your second.

1077
01:32:58,260 --> 01:32:58,600
Well, sorry.

1078
01:32:59,040 --> 01:32:59,440
And second.

1079
01:32:59,820 --> 01:33:00,760
And your adjourn.

1080
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,240
Thank you.

1081
01:33:02,460 --> 01:33:03,480
I was going to tell the story.

1082
01:33:05,080 --> 01:33:06,880
It was a little different.

1083
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:17,000
But learned a ton about, you know, trust land and peace out of the way and all that, but they have the same thing.