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All right.
>> Good afternoon everyone. We are here at

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the meeting of the water utility board
of Star Valley Ranch

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and uh call the meeting to order. We
need to establish a quorum of members.

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Uh myself, Steve Pandle, Lee Hansen, a
member is with us via Zoom. Frank Young

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will not be with us today. Boyd sitaway
is here as a member and Daniel Stewart

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will not be in attendance today. Um that
makes three out of five members which I

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believe still constitutes a quorum.
>> Just a casual statement.

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» Mhm. We probably ought to change our
ordinance

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and just say that if a member is if a
voting member is absent and we have a um

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who are you
>> advisory member they can vote

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that would make it easier to two things
one to have a better vote and secondly

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it would have help you in making sure we
always can hold a meeting.

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» Yeah.
Mayor, you got any thoughts on that?

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Would you be opposed to that?
>> Um,

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I don't think I'm opposed to it. I think
what I would wanted to go look at the

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ordinance. Does it say you can have an
alternate member?

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» You can have advisory members,
>> right? But do they count towards the

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quorum?
>> Some of the Yeah, some of the boards

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have alternate members and advisory
members. So,

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» I I'll read theirs and bring a
>> I was going to say if you want to

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propose some updates to the ordinance
that you can put the language in and

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send it to me and then I'll
>> I'll bring it next time if you'd like

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and I'll use their others if it does
what we want to do. Would you be willing

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to do that? That's fine. I mean, you
have enough noise. You ought to be able

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to vote.
>> I think they added your name to the

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website. So,
>> uh oh dangerous.

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» It's all over but the shouting now. Did
you get arrows pointing to it? Don't put

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my address.
>> This is where you can find Advisor

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Roberts.
>> Um, our advisor. Our

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» advisor.
We should at least make We should at

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least make Dave an alternate member. So,
so, uh, he could be a voted member if

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there's one missing.
>> If not, make him a full-time member.

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And those that don't seem to be able to
make it, maybe we change them.

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Anyway, our advisor Dave Roberts is here
and our council liaison is Mayor Rock

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who is here. Um,
we have a motion to approve the agenda.

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» So move a second.
>> It's been moved and seconded that we

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approve the me the agenda. All in favor?
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» I
>> Okay, agenda is approved.

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Um,
we had a last minute request for change

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in the minutes of the January 20th
meeting. Um, I will I sent it out as an

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email about uh 3:00, so I don't know how
many people have uh read it, but I will

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read you the language that was added to
the minutes. It's under uh Zach's

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presentation from public works and uh
some of the um where he explained that

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the green canyon tank is a holding tank
and does not supply water for

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distribution. All distribution comes
from the prader tanks. And this was the

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language that was requested to be added
here. It's it's detail on on what Zach

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said. Uh this was new information for
board members. The water master plan

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shows the green canyon tank distribution
map. Voit Sidway commented on the

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electrical expense of pumping all
distribution water up to the prader

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tanks and the added wear on the transfer
pumps. Zach did not know why or how long

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the system had been operated in this
manner and it was this way since his

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arrival.

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» Does that sound okay, Lee?
>> That sounds good. I can add at this

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point that I've spoken with Terry Wilson
and Boyd can fill you all in if you

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you're not sure what Terry's credentials
are, but he confirmed with me that that

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absolutely they put in a pipeline along
Muddy Stream so that Green Canyon could

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supply a major portion of the town and
not to pump everything up to prayer. So,

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uh, whatever we're doing now is a change
from from the way that it, uh, was, uh,

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when when the town was established with
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» It's also a change from the master plan,
>> you know, cuz it, uh, it shows Green

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Canyon as a distribution center.
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» 75 also shows that pipeline along.
>> Yeah.

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» 74. which is an important
>> P. You have some information, mayor.

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» Yes, I I mean just got today. Um I
haven't had a chance to digest it yet.

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Um but what I'll do after the meeting, I
will forward this information out to the

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board, so I'm not sure that that's
entirely accurate that everything's

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being pumped up to Prager.
>> Um

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» and Zach's not here to defend himself.
>> No. And I'm not and I should know more

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about the way the water system works.
And that was I will say that was my

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first meeting. So, I was not going to um
contradict anyone.

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» Mayor, just if you just think back, of
course, you can't, but we can. If we

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just think back some of the discussions
we've had with the water people when

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they've been here, uh it did not
surprise me.

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It surprised me that it was said in a
meeting, but it didn't surprise me

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because if you think about what they
were doing, they were running those

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pumps and those wells consistently even
when we had ample supply coming out of

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the spring. So, it just makes sense the
way the operation was that they they

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probably had been doing it since, you
know, the last five, six, seven years.

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» So, one of the things, and it's a long
email, so I'm not not going to read it.

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Like I said, I haven't digested the
whole thing, but this is from Ryan

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Welling. He said, "The prader spring
just does not have the capacity to keep

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the crater tanks full in most demand
scenarios,

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» right?
>> So, there is pumping that happens to

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» send water there." Um,
>> but that's summertime. That's when

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that's
>> and he also provided a

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little map.
>> Yeah, I think we understood that before.

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So, I will for this out and maybe it
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» clarify or reaffirm what Zach had to
say. I went through I went through that

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map years ago
>> and took each lot that had a house on it

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and put it in that map's format so we
could tell how many houses were being

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serviced by Prader and how many were
being serviced by green and it was about

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a 70 something 25 something split
meaning 25 out of prader and if you're

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doing if you're supplying out of prayer
Granted, in high high demand, summer's

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hot day, um, everybody watering, it
cannot keep up. But in the winter time,

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we just proved it. We just took the the
tank down for how many weeks? Three

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weeks, four weeks,
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» A month.
>> And guess how what did you do?

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» You turned the spring on.
So, I mean, it's it's frustrating to

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hear that our operations are that that
screwed up, but you can understand why

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we have we our oldest person is what two
years on the job

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or less. I don't know. I don't know how
when we've hired those other two people,

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but it's it's the what do you call it?
Institutional knowledge is is has a

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two-year max.
>> Yeah. I I I would refrain from using

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terminology such as screwed up from
referring to the talent personnel just

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because if they do watch these meetings
>> yeah understand I will I will change the

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word really messed up
>> institutional knowledge yes there's

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definitely been a
>> but it's not the guy's fault that are

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here that's the problem
>> there's been the the transition or lack

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thereof of institution
there's just not there's not a process

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» for a new person to come on and learn
other for them to go around with me and

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if I don't know I'm telling him what he
shouldn't be hearing. So the formal

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process would be really
superb to have.

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» Well, I think we all understood that
some water was being pumped up there out

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of necessity, but this was the first
time we heard that all water was being

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pumped up there for distribution. And
that just doesn't make economic sense.

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» Well, the only thing that blew me is
when he said, "We've always done it that

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way." I I just couldn't believe what was
that.

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» He might have met since he's been here,
too.

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» Sure.
>> Yeah. Zach's been here.

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» Yeah.
>> Four years.

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» Four now. Almost four.
>> Almost four. So

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» So isn't Ryan here every Thursday?
>> Um if he is here every Thursday, he was

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not here today.
>> Okay. So

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» there might be a question for him to try
to resolve how that started and if we

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need to correct it, how we correct it.
>> And and one thing, mayor, we shouldn't

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do.
We should not get into operations.

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But when we find out about these things,
we need to bring it to somebody's

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attention who knows enough to in order
to fix it. And when we get right down to

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it, because of our lack of institutional
knowledge, we have one person on our

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payroll, and that's our our engineer.
And I don't know that he gets involved

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in the operations either. But we just
can't take new people and say go do it

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anymore. We've got to tell him what go
do it really means.

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» Is Ryan a local?
>> Ryan's out of Edmonton.

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» Oh. So he comes up once a week once a
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» Ryan should definitely have known that
that the way we're doing it now is not

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the way it was established to begin
with. And I don't know why he didn't

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speak up before.
>> I don't I don't mean to bring up the

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past, but we used to have a corporate
saying without direction people will

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make decisions.
And we had cups and everything that had

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that really trying to impress on people.
Damn it. You're in charge. You make the

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decision. Right or wrong, make it
because don't leave it up to your people

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to do it because they'll do it with less
knowledge than you have.

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» So anyway, I just we'll get there.
>> It's slow, but we'll get there.

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» Okay. With those additions, do we have a
motion to approve the minutes of the

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January 20th meeting?
>> So moved.

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» It's been moved and seconded that we
approve the minutes of held on January

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20th, 2026. All in favor? I
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» Okay, minutes are approved.
>> Thanks for the Thanks for the addition,

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by the way, though.
>> I had a whole page on that. So,

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» well, I don't know why I left it out. I
certainly listened to it,

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» but uh maybe I thought
>> we didn't pressure.

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» Maybe I thought it was self-explanatory
that, you know, that was a problem.

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» Anyway, it was a good addition. Thank
you, Lee.

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Okay, I wrote the update and questions
with council on water related issues

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from Mayor Rock. Um,
how are we coming with STA reports? Do

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we have them available?

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» I know that they had a SCA meeting the
other day and they're starting to get

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data. Um, I don't know about the status
of reports that are available yet. So,

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and
>> this week our town administrator has

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been out ill ever since Monday. So, um
it's I'm trying not to ping him with

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things while he's
been trying to recover. So, I apologize

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that I'm not um probably as
>> when you've been mayor administrator.

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» I do have some information on at least
one of these items. So, or two of them.

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» Well, state it is state is up and
running.

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» Yes, it is up and running.
>> So, that's the good news. So we're we're

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trying to see where we are with leak
detection, you know, with with

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» Is there a way for us not to get
reports, but to get the data?

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» I don't want access to the systems. I
want it to be given to us as data.

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» Sure.
>> Because we haven't been asked, I don't

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think we've been asked by anybody what
we want in a report or what we need. and

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all the reports are being formulated and
it seems like if we're going to be

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reporting to the council on your
efficiency, we ought to have rights to

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the, you know, the ability to get in
because as soon as we tell you we want

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it by the month, we need it by the hour
or the day. And if we give it to us by

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the day, we don't need that much. We
only need the month.

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» Well, one thing to be careful of is if
you provide what kind of data you want,

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they're going to go off and build these
reports. The question is is what is the

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standard reports that come out of SCADA?
Look at that first before you say,

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"Well, we need this data."
>> How do we get them?

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» Well, that's what I'm saying. So, let's
ask for the standard reports and see

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what you got.
>> See what they have set up. So, because I

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don't know what set up.
>> I like that idea.

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» I mean, yeah, I've seen it too, but we
haven't seen them.

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» No, it just tough to
>> It just started. Then in association

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with that, you know, we got a letter
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requesting production and usage of the
well that we're trying to Yeah.

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» bump up from 500 gallons to,000 gallons.
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» do we have that information? I mean,
this there was this gap from Jesse to

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SCADA.
>> Are we going to be able to provide that

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information?
So interestingly what I have here or go

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ahead Lee go ahead. I had a discussion
with Terry Wilson about that as well and

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he has spoken directly to the state
engineers office since he knows them

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personally
and uh they um committed to him if we

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could supply them the production data
from each pump

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and the spring
from uh for 2025

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just the totalized number of production
from each each pump and in the spring

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and also the the consumption by
residents for 2025.

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They would uh let us go with that
information only as just using 2025 as

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sort of a new base u for the town. And I
I assume that that our totalizers work

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on the pumps. Maybe that's a bad
assumption. At least for 2025,

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if we can get the totalized production
and the totalized conduct uh consumption

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and give that information to the state
engineers office, that would suffice.

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» That's a lot simpler than what that
letter said, isn't it?

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So, hot off the press from this week, I
have a letter from the state engineer's

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office that says, "The state engineer
approved your application for permit to

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appropriate groundwater for municipal
groundwater

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permit number blah blah blah for for the
well." So, now they've seemed to have

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issued us the
>> without

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» Okay. Yes,
>> we're lucky. And I haven't we just got

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this um and Trevor was going to follow
up with Ryan just to make sure

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everything was in order, but it does
appear to be a permit and documents from

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the state engineers office.
>> So ground groundwater.

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» So it's for the
>> It's for the well. It's for well number

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three, right? That's the one we're
>> That's the one they were questioning.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. That should not should not be

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classified as groundwater. That's out of
the Salt Lake aquifer.

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» Okay. I just That's what the first line
of the letter says. So

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» why do you believe it's not groundwater?

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» He can't hear you.
>> So anyway, looks like maybe

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» Great.
>> I will send this around

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» if they got if we got that approved.
>> That's good. Thank you very much.

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» Yeah, we'll take it. I know it's been a
long time coming, but and then we

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thought it was going to take a little
while longer after that other letter.

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» Yeah.
>> But anyway, um

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» Super.
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. Do we have any update on the large
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installation, residential meter?
>> Um we do. So I can't remember if at the

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last meeting um we had so the large
meter at Fox Run well has been installed

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and is up and running and providing data
into the new system.

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However, the other large meters have not
been installed yet. Um, and

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so I've heard there's we're looking at
possibly having a consultant Mountain

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West Waterworks come in and help us with
the installation of the rest of them

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just because
>> they are not as I guess the one that

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went into Fox one was a pretty easy just
fit right in there. No,

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» what do they call them? Spacers,
gaskets, whatever required. It was very

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it was a simple installation. And for
the other ones, my understanding is it

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might be a little more complicated. And
so public works just wants to make sure

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that when we get in there and start
doing it that we do it right. So we're I

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believe they're getting a quote from
Mountain West Waterworks that had been

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here before and told us they can do lots
of different things to include that.

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» Excellent.
>> So again, not hasn't been finalized, but

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so the rest of them are not in yet. kind
of waiting to see what we get it from

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Mountain West and if we're going to move
forward with that. So,

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» just because
>> was there a production test done prior

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to installing it and after installing
the new meter to see how close the

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meters read to one another?
>> I don't know. I can ask Lee. I didn't

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get that didn't ask for that level of
detail from but I'll find out.

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» Mayor, could you rather than ask could
you tell them

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» Mhm.
>> Tell them to do it. Oh, you mean for the

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subsequent ones? If they didn't do it
for this one,

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I can ask and or
>> definitely definitely need some sort of

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parameter whether or not to be that far
off.

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» I mean, we don't want to wait 6 months
to find out.

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» Your concern there, Lee, is the rate of
flow. I mean, we don't know. So, we go

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look for
>> whether there was an error on the old

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one. the rate of the rate of flow
measured by the new meter versus the old

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meter.
I think yeah I I can't believe that he

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wouldn't have that information even if
it was a couple of months ago or 3

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months ago doesn't matter he has that
information

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» uh the water
>> as long as the variable speed drive was

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set the same
>> right

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» yeah so
>> okay I got a note

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» good thank you mayor
>> so anything new on residential meters

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» those uh we're expecting to get the
first batch sometime

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early next month. So,
>> yeah, in March the next couple

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» y
>> 250.

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» Could we make the same request of you
that you order the before and after test

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» on
>> residentials as well?

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» I don't think they want to do all of
them. This is the conversation we had.

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They don't want to do them all, but
they'll beta test several

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spots because again, it's going to take
extra time for them to test it.

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» Yes, understand that. So,
>> and if you're not going to do all is

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there even a rate of flow in those
meters, aren't they?

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» Some of them are completely
>> They're just tonalizing how much to

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which you can read it, turn it on for 5
minutes or 1 minute and then read it

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again.
>> Actually, actually, what we recommended

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was a 20 gallon bucket.
>> Okay,

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» it's the last item.
>> I have a I have another question. Um,

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our advisor Dave Roberts had asked to
leave a space

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around where the new meter goes for the
potential

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positioning of a strap-on acoustic meter
to um validate the flow meter or the

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flow rate of uh administered by the uh
mag meter to see if uh it's being

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accurate.
and um make sure that you have a full

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pipe.

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» We just mix two things together.

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» Is that recommendation on large meters
only?

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» On the large meters only.
>> Just the large meters, Lee, not the

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» It's really just a It's just something
that

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» Okay. Yeah, these meters will eventually
lose their effectiveness

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and so it's a monitoring thing.
>> Okay. I don't know about that. I do

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vaguely remember the discussion and
again I'm going to apologize for not

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being overly prepared today. It's been
>> Yeah.

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» wild ride this week.
>> You're excused.

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» Been there. You're excused.
>> Oh goodness.

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This next item uh was uh requested by
Dave. Um

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» I think the mayor knows all about it.
>> Does she?

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» Well, I was approached by
the HOA folks um because they found out

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I was on the

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she got published. So evidently there's
been an issue that's been kind of

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longstanding
with some of the accounts that the HOA

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has
and it's been going on for a while. I

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think boy you may even know something
about this from your past

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» about
um just the water usage and and the HOA

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needs some of this data because they
have to report to the state or to the

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DEEQ. Yeah.
>> And so it's it's been a troubling thing.

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And
uh the HOA manager asked if I could

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help.
They said, "Well," and then I found out

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that they had a meeting with you. And
so,

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» yeah.
>> And and it may not just it may not be

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the meter. may be the back office
process that's ongoing about how they

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take the data that they get and that's
processed into an account and

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» yeah it's
>> stuff. So

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» well their issue is if if they're using
as much water as we say they're using

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they have to put in a bigger septic
>> right

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» that's the issue.
>> Yeah. And so on our end from the town

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side it's kind of a twofold issue. One
is, and this is again kind of me

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learning over the last month or so that
this has been an ongoing problem. At

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when I was first on the council, I
remember um then Mayor Buyers telling

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the council there was an issue with the
meter at Cedar Creek Center and the town

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was going to replace it and didn't hear
much more about it then.

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So, at some point, I don't know if that
meter got replaced. It was supposed to.

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Um, but anyway, there's been trouble
with the meter readings. First, the

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Cedar Creek center meter, and for
whatever reason, you know, they're all

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electronically read. That one sometimes
when it's been read, it'll when it gets

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in the system, I guess gets transferred
into the billing system, a digit gets

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dropped. So, that's why there's been
some inconsistency.

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you know, this was the usage last month
and suddenly the next month the digit

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gets dropped and instead of 10,000
gallons, it's a million gallons of

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usage. So, and then we've had some
issues downstairs with just the billing

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in general because one of the things
that's supposed to happen is that as the

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billing is done, it's supposed to be
reviewed so that we can look and see if

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there's any crazy
>> blips and things.

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And we've also asked that special
attention be paid to the associations

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accounts because of these ongoing
issues. And that does not that did not

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unfortunately happen the last couple of
billing cycles for whatever reason. So

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it just kind of in my opinion
snowballed. So we have now replaced the

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meter over there. The guys are also
supposed to manually read that meter,

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not drive by or drive up or whatever
they do.

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» Good. We're also supposed to, and I know
we didn't get this right last time

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either, um, or actually when the meter
was just read earlier this week, they're

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supposed, we've asked our public works
guys to when they go over there to

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manually read it to please get Ernie
Bigalow, who's their maintenance or

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facilities manager, have Ernie with them
when it's read because Ernie's been

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taking pictures, I guess, of the meter
readings and they've been doing their

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own analysis. So, we dropped the ball on
that and did not coordinate with Ernie

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this past week, but we're going to work
on fixing that. So, in the meantime,

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Loretta, our treasurer, has gone back
through all the billing and there is a

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credit that's due.
So far, it's like close to $700 on their

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bill. Now, the last time when I had my
meeting with the association board last

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week or the week before, they were
thinking we owed them about $3,000. And

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I don't believe it's anywhere close to
that. But yes, we do owe them some

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money. So, we're still working through
reviewing the accounts. Um, and then

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also locking in these meter reading
procedures so that we can better

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coordinate with them so that everybody
has a level of comfort going forward

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that, you know, it's not them, it's not
us, it's that we have all the facts.

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» And then also the back office work to
make sure that we're checking for

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» Yes. Yes.
>> Yeah. That has to be done. Yeah. That's

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an easy fix of some
>> sort. So, mayor, we had um

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whoever the software guys, uh they
created a report for us that goes all

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the way back to three years of
consumption every month by resident.

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» So, you can actually, you know, you can
see if there's a blip. You can always

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see where there needs to be a new meter
because it all of a sudden drops off or

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goes way high and then a new meter is
installed and then it's more normal with

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historical. But that reporting that she,
you know, now has, she could just look

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at it. I know it's still
>> 1,200 blinds.

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» Yeah.
>> But you could still go through very

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quickly like I did visually and just see
cuz you see the million the million

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gallon
>> and you see the ones that just dropped

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to nothing,
>> right? So it's there's definitely

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anomalies and it's been
>> very visible. whatever the meter at

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Cedar Creek Center and then the one one
of the ones is the one on Walnut because

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they have
>> eight different accounts.

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» Eight accounts and and and they told me
four of them have an issue and so I

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would just pay attention to those four
every month so that we don't have the

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wrath of the HOA.
>> Oh yes, absolutely. And like I said,

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we're trying to
>> trying to that in with you know on the

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administrative end and then also on the
you know when the guys go out there and

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do breeding. So
>> the field field stuff in the background.

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» Exactly.
>> To follow up on what way said, if if we

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use that type of reporting and you look
at

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» and there is an issue, if it's high,
it's usually a leak

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or they leave it on running
>> or a bad meter

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» or a bad meter. But I mean, the first
first two things we can tell really easy

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is are they gone?
>> Mhm.

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» Are they here? and and and when it's
low,

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» it it's they're gone. Most of the time
they've gone they gone a two week

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vacation or they away for the summer. So
those are things you can look at from a

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3 to four months and if they're all
zeros, you know they're not there.

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» And if if it's way up high for two or 3
months, the odds are it's a meter and

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not somebody leaving the water on.
>> Yes.

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» Toilets do that to you. However, they
last forever. You know, when they don't

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fix those, people don't understand how
much water goes.

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» With this report, you can compare and
that's the best part. And you can see

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when somebody sells their house because
it may have been high and then now it's

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low and consistent for it was low and it
now it's high. It's really

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» four kids before too.
>> I I spent way too many hours just

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looking and digesting the data and
running pivot tables off of it. I said,

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"Well,
>> that's really good that you have that.

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That'll be helpful." Yeah, it's we had
them generate that report for us. So,

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» all right.
>> So, is that available from the new SCADA

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system?
>> I couldn't tell.

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» That's consumption.
>> That's why it's whatever that system is.

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» That's right.
>> The billing.

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» Yeah, I think it's
>> I don't remember the name.

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» I think it is Cassell.
>> It is Cassell.

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» It's going to be something we're going
to look at when determining loss on

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account for water. I mean, comparing
production versus consumption.

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Yeah,
>> I got a new meter when I moved in.

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» Cut us off
>> and uh it always read 50 52 55 something

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like that
>> and then the utilization was like 4

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cents.
>> And uh until I got on the water board

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and saw the the ordinance and calculated
out and said, "Well, they're not

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multiplying anything here. There's
something wrong."

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And I brought it up in waterboard and I
was assured that everything was okay.

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And and uh then I finally brought the
bill in and showed it to the mayor and

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said, "Do you see a problem here?"
>> The right answer wasn't yours in

417
00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:47,120
» dropping digits.
>> Yeah. The right answer is there are

418
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,679
always going to be anomalies.
>> Yeah.

419
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,159
» Yeah.
>> And that's what you're looking for each

420
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:57,520
month. And I know I mean whether it's or
somebody I they're not trained yet to

421
00:30:54,480 --> 00:31:00,320
spot those those anomalies yet. But the
more you do it,

422
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,399
» the better you'll get.
>> So

423
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,440
» Well, thank you, Mayor.
>> Sure.

424
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:09,360
» Another work in progress.
>> Well, no, but you're you're headed in

425
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,600
the right direction. It's always a sure
you can't get there overnight.

426
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:15,760
» No,
>> but we'd like to see everybody going in

427
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:21,760
the same direction.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mayor. Um on to new

428
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,760
business. Uh
last night was the planning they called

429
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:30,720
the planning commission.
>> Planning commission. Yes. Very official.

430
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:36,240
» The planning commission invited
me and the roadsport person to come talk

431
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:42,080
to them about this mountain state's
annexation.

432
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:48,240
And uh I had a few issues that I gave
them thought needed to be resolved. And

433
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:51,679
um but I did have some time to talk to
the developer afterwards and ask some

434
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:57,440
questions.
Um

435
00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:01,840
we have a map, you know, in in Ryan's
report on this that shows, you know, all

436
00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:08,399
the connections connection to the
system. And uh one of the questions I

437
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:14,960
asked him was, "Are you putting in all
the pipes now or just for the plats that

438
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:20,399
you're working on?" And he says, "Oh,
well, you can't economically do all of

439
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:25,360
them. You have to do it piece by piece."
>> And so I guess my question is is, you

440
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:29,600
know, we know it works when it's fully
built out and connected.

441
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:37,039
Um
when do we start connecting piece by

442
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:41,200
piece to the system, you know, and are
there going to be critical connections

443
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:47,919
to our system that are needed to run
just a couple of pieces of it? You know,

444
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:52,640
does uh does Ryan need to look at that
and kind of map out how, you know, this

445
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:58,480
is going to be absolutely needed when
this division starts and uh and then as

446
00:32:56,399 --> 00:33:02,880
we build out, you know, we can add the
other pieces up. Is that a question of

447
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:10,720
concern?
>> No, I think it's a good question. Um,

448
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:16,559
when looking at how they plan on
developing the entire area, I think

449
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:20,480
they're developing on the west side
first and then moving east.

450
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:26,799
» That's how I looked at it.
>> So, down by money string first.

451
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:33,360
» Yeah. Money string. And so my sense is
once we're good with a well there which

452
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:40,880
is already serving those multif family
um homes right now that they'll be

453
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:46,159
hooking up those westside homes. Mhm.
>> Ryan recommended a connection to the

454
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:50,880
Muddy Stream pipeline. And I think
that's the time when you want to connect

455
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:56,320
that to to the Muddy Stream pipeline so
that there's two sources of water that

456
00:33:53,519 --> 00:34:01,279
can serve those people in case the well
goes out, you can get it from the Muddy

457
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:05,279
Stream pipeline and you can use the well
to supplement into the Muddy Stream

458
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:09,359
pipeline that takes it north and
conserve a lot of land out, a lot of the

459
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:13,599
homes out there in that area. So, I
think it's something to ask Ryan about

460
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:17,200
in terms of the timing of of when that
those things phases would sort of

461
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,240
» come into play and when you would
connect. Eventually, you're going to

462
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:24,159
want to have a connection on the east
side and a pressure relief valve there

463
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,079
because you're going to have to manage
those pressures in

464
00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:32,800
» Well, he shows three connections.
I think there' be one on the

465
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:37,200
» only reason you'd the only reason you'd
ever connect to that is if it's a

466
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:43,440
foregone conclusion that you're going to
annex it. And I don't think we have that

467
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:46,639
kind of information that we can say
>> yes, we're going to annex.

468
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,440
We're talking
>> no way should No way should we be doing

469
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,119
that.
>> That's that's correct, Lee. We're

470
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:58,160
talking right now as if the annexation
was approved then when the timing is on

471
00:34:56,240 --> 00:35:04,320
some of the connections.
>> We're trying to get problems solved with

472
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:06,480
the developer prior to annexation rather
than after.

473
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:11,440
» Can I ask?
>> Do we know what kind of do we know what

474
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:18,480
kind of pipe he's put in presently? Is
it consistent with the town's

475
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:22,000
specification for water delivery?
I don't know that we know that at this

476
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,240
point in time. That's a question that we
have to

477
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,480
» Yeah. something we need to find out.
>> That doesn't mean we'll have to tear

478
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,640
down. I
>> I think a lot of your questions that you

479
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:35,599
asked, Lee,
are going to be things that

480
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:40,800
that we have to find out as much as we
can now. But for the most part, if the

481
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:46,480
annexation goes through, a lot of that
stuff will be grandfathered in. And then

482
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:52,400
anything after the annexation is going
to have to fall within the town codes

483
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:57,040
and the town requirements
>> and the water any water system

484
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,440
components that were to go in at after
that point will have to be approved by

485
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:04,560
Ryan.
>> Of course, Ryan will be involved in all

486
00:36:01,359 --> 00:36:10,720
that. Correct. But the Ryan's given them
Ryan's given them Ryan's report

487
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:16,960
indicates that he's given a considerable
amount of credit for that well

488
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,920
» and financial credit you're talking
about.

489
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,320
» Yes.
>> If if we can use it

490
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,359
» if we can use it.
>> If it Yeah. But I'm I guess what I'm

491
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:31,839
trying to say is what Lee is asking has
a direct effect on the value of that

492
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:36,960
system. And unless we know what it is,
is it approved? It should be certified

493
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:41,599
first if we can. All we get so we know
what we're getting

494
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:46,000
» because the minute we take it, it's
ours, baby.

495
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:52,240
» And and all these records I've seen of
all this money we're going to get from

496
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:56,040
him are 2068.
They're not 2027

497
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:07,040
because all those payments come to us. I
looked up his his tax property tax bill

498
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:10,320
and last year it was under 6 or $7,000
>> for that 80 acres

499
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,040
» for that 80 acres and the forplex.
>> Yeah.

500
00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:18,000
» And we're not going to get rich until
that thing is there. Now he's got a

501
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:22,160
master plan of master plan. He doesn't
have a master plan in his mind. He's

502
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:24,720
going to put in a forplex and and 10
homes

503
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,640
» in the first phase.
>> I will. Yeah. Next year. Next year, sir.

504
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,920
» This this next
>> and

505
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,359
» I'll guarantee you Mr. Stewart had that
same plan

506
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:39,760
» that he was going to sell us stuff like
hotcakes and he had the best campaign

507
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:46,880
you've ever seen. He had people flying
in from Las Vegas and LA and Salt Lake

508
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:52,960
and Idaho. And we are we are what now?
45

509
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:58,240
almost 50 years old and we're at 55%.
>> You're 60. Can I Can I share with you

510
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:03,520
one change that's happened in the county
though that's changing what's happened

511
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:10,560
in the past versus what's in the future.
All development now is all five acres.

512
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:14,640
There's very few new developments that
have or you know like his with acre or

513
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:18,320
less.
>> Yeah. So there's people that don't want

514
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:22,880
five acres because they have to spend
$250,000 just for the land.

515
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:26,880
» Hand drill their own well, hand and
here's what they're going to look at

516
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:34,640
that and they're going to say, "Wow, I
can get my 6/10 of an acre and and I get

517
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:39,280
water, I get roads, and so I think it's
going to be more attractive based on

518
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:45,839
just the overall growth in the
>> unless he unless he can already do that.

519
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:55,200
already do that with the town of Star
Valley Ranch without without

520
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:59,520
» only if only if a lot is for sale.
>> But you can't just go condemn somebody

521
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:05,280
else's lot cuz they want to live there.
>> I I you know, a lot of the lots in town

522
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,920
probably I mean I don't know what
percent, but there's a significant

523
00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:13,760
number that will never be built on.
>> I I have one right across the street.

524
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:16,720
I'm not going to block my view in my
lifetime.

525
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:20,000
» But guess what? As soon as you die, kids
sell them.

526
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:23,839
» I and somebody will build eventually,
but there's a lot of trust that own

527
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:27,680
these properties and you know cuz I get
an email every every week.

528
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:32,160
» Well, will you sell your property?
>> The older people that moved up here,

529
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,839
» many of them bought several lots.
>> So,

530
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,359
» and I Well, y'all went on the picture
there that owns three of them that now

531
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:41,599
he owns only one cuz he put them
together. But but the I guess what I'm

532
00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:44,400
trying to say is
>> none of us know

533
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,400
» all of us are very optimistic about when
the town's going to make money.

534
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:52,720
» Yeah.
>> And all of our expenses are up front and

535
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:55,440
all of our revenues are in the back end.
And I don't mean all all but the

536
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,000
majority of them.
>> It's and his report, Ryan's report did

537
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,079
not indicate there was no timeline.
>> And well,

538
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:06,160
» it looked like we were going to be
minute and a half ahead. So, the town,

539
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:11,200
well, I'll let the mayor speak about the
town did an economic study or at least

540
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:14,000
looked at at what the revenues would be
over time and what the expenses would be

541
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:16,240
over time.
>> Yes.

542
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:19,440
» What now needs to be done is that
combined so you can see the net benefit

543
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,160
at over time.
>> Y

544
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:27,040
» and so we need that information. So,
>> I didn't see

545
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:32,160
the based on assumptions, right? And you
can argue

546
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:36,160
» no make the assumption so that's point
>> I think that's

547
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:40,400
we do need that
>> the the part of that analysis that

548
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:46,640
matches up those revenues and costs so
you can see that more than likely the

549
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:49,599
actual revenue benefits will be realized
further down the road than immediately.

550
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,040
Right.
>> And and we're we're struggling right

551
00:40:51,359 --> 00:41:00,000
now. We struggle every year with our
with our budget

552
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:04,720
» and we've got 60% finance I mean 60%
developed and he's going to have 10%

553
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:09,599
developed and so you can see the
difference between that and I don't

554
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:14,400
mayor don't get me wrong if we can solve
the water issues

555
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:21,520
» and we can get money up front or a bond
or whatever you can get that guarantees

556
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:21,520
us every developer in this

557
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:32,079
Let me put it this way. If you're a good
carpenter, you are not a good

558
00:41:28,319 --> 00:41:36,079
uh contracting manager.
You just because you're a good carpenter

559
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:41,040
doesn't make you a good manager.
Uh great school teachers do not make

560
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:45,359
good carpenters. Most there's a few, but
not all of them. And I'm just trying to

561
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:48,640
pull this out that we have a lot of
developers

562
00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:52,800
that have developed the same piece of
property how different people have

563
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,280
developed it because they all go broke.
>> And so from a town standpoint, we ought

564
00:41:55,280 --> 00:42:01,599
to be really really we should be we
don't got to do nothing. We should be

565
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:07,280
really conservative on how we look at
this because we're we're a we're the

566
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:12,800
youngest town in the state of Wyoming.
That's a fact. Nobody else has stepped

567
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:19,520
up to that since we did. The other issue
is is we're not plush on money. We don't

568
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:24,880
have a reserve anywhere that's that we
anyone would say we're comfortable with

569
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:30,160
our reserves. So, let's just make darn
sure we understand cash flows and our

570
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:35,200
guarantees are there because we we
shouldn't base our decision on him being

571
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:39,280
successful. We ought to base our
decision on him not being successful.

572
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:43,200
Then we'll be conservative enough that
we won't take these steps that say

573
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:47,760
you're going to get a million7 from him
in X years and we're going to sit here

574
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:54,319
for 50 years waiting for that next year
to show up. I don't mean to pound

575
00:42:50,800 --> 00:43:02,079
» when I hear when I hear in a a town
council workshop that oh you're only uh

576
00:42:58,319 --> 00:43:08,000
annexing the land and as soon as we
annex them the development plan that is

577
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:17,200
proposed by Mountain Estates is out the
window and so how can the town even plan

578
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:23,680
that it's going to be half acre or x
number 13 town houses or or whatever if

579
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:32,640
everything goes out the window as soon
as we annex the land. And we also have a

580
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:38,480
commitment in our ordinance title five
that any water user inside the

581
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:44,560
boundaries of the town has got to be
supplied by the town. So that well has

582
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:51,839
got to go over to town ownership as soon
as uh we if we annex that and I don't

583
00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:54,960
know whether Mountain Estates is ready
to do that.

584
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:59,200
» Let me bring up another question.
>> Get annexed if they're not.

585
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:02,480
» Yeah. Look at it this way though.
Wouldn't you be nervous if you were the

586
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:07,280
developer?
Is it telling me the commitment to him

587
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:13,359
what we're going to do if we annex him?
>> No. I heard that we t Taylor said in a

588
00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:17,280
council meeting
we will be able to control this and

589
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:20,400
change things that we don't like if it's
too

590
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,920
» he would have to follow our ordinances
in the code.

591
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:25,520
» Yes, he would. Yes.
>> If we annex him, he has to

592
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:30,400
» then our ordinances he can't have
anymore. So which means you have to

593
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:35,280
change your ordinances to be compliant.
We don't have multiple units in our town

594
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,880
ordinances. We have multifamily zoning
with town

595
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:39,680
» zoning
>> and condos.

596
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,839
» Okay. All right.
>> Sorry for my time.

597
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:46,560
» It's less It's less dense.
>> It's less dense than

598
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,160
» Is he willing to agree to our
ordinances?

599
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,560
» He'd have to.
>> He had I mean

600
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,040
» No, he doesn't have to. He can say screw
it. I'm I'm going to leave it and just

601
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,960
leave it bare land.
>> Oh, yeah. He

602
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:59,920
» Oh, yeah. Sure.
>> I mean I mean seriously, let's be honest

603
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,960
about this. It
>> just be very conservative, mayor. Make

604
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:07,520
sure your tail is really covered
>> on your backside.

605
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:10,400
» That's why we're talking about some of
these things.

606
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:15,599
» If he's if he's going to build to the
plan that that was

607
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:19,680
uh conditionally approved by the county
of commissioners,

608
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:24,240
then hold him to it and make him put in
the roads and make him put in the water

609
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:29,440
lines and the power
>> and

610
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,160
» then then we got something. for right
now. If it's just going to peace meal a

611
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:39,440
» a home
>> two or three a year,

612
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:44,720
» um we don't have anything.
>> What What authority does the town have

613
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:48,240
regarding lot size,
things of that nature, if he doesn't

614
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:53,200
follow the plan that the countyy's
already approved,

615
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:57,680
» we've never had a minimum because we we
as a town

616
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:02,160
uh incorporated what was here,
>> right? Everything was totally platted

617
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:06,480
before we were a town.
>> Yeah, I was going to say I don't think

618
00:46:03,359 --> 00:46:11,839
and that's the thing with this. It's not
there's no plat on county record books

619
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:18,160
for mountain estates right now.
>> We should require So can you require

620
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:21,680
that as a condition of annexation
>> that

621
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:27,599
» that that get platted?
if the multifamily concept that he wants

622
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:29,119
to build out is 16 of these units.
Right.

623
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:33,599
» Right. In the front. Right.
>> But but our ordinance says that you can

624
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:36,160
only have one for every 15,000.
>> So we have to modify that cuz it's too

625
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:40,160
dense. Right.
>> Right.

626
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:43,280
» And I think to me and really really need
that annexation agreement draft from the

627
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:47,359
attorney.
>> See what he's got in there to start

628
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:52,000
with. But I believe that saying at least
you have to

629
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:56,240
flat it by phase. You know, right now he
wants to do a phase development, but we

630
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:01,119
should have a condition where we need to
see what that is and make sure it

631
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,599
conforms to our ordinances.
>> Um before we approve him to put one new

632
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:09,839
structure
>> because he won't get a permit to build

633
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:16,000
if we annex him. He won't have a permit
to build without the town

634
00:47:12,720 --> 00:47:23,119
permit. and we will we will end up
plowing roads and providing water and

635
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:28,800
we'll get $7,000 a year in taxes. But
the two things we know, do we know what

636
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:34,480
kind of septic uh system he put in for
the existing townhouse?

637
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:42,800
» Is that a enhanced septic system?
>> Do they have a space for u a secondary

638
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:49,119
um drain field? all of the things that
the town requires is does what what does

639
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:54,480
he have there? He he committed that he
would put in enhanced septic systems.

640
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:58,960
Did he do it?
>> I think the answer to that is yes. And

641
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:02,640
that one of the documents we have on the
annexation page of the town website.

642
00:48:01,119 --> 00:48:08,800
We've been posting all the information.
There is a pretty voluminous water and

643
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:13,839
wastewater study that Sunrise did just
from I think it's 2024 and it details

644
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:16,240
all what their plan is for everything.
So,

645
00:48:14,319 --> 00:48:22,480
» right.
>> I just wonder if they really

646
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:26,960
may there's two things you can do. You
can make him

647
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:32,880
live up to our standards or you can
change our standards to allow him to do

648
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:35,520
things. So you do have a choice.
>> Oh, sure.

649
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:39,280
» The other side of it is though, what are
the people expecting you all to do as

650
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:44,880
council?
>> So let me just ask a simple question if

651
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:49,520
you can answer it. Are we here to say
when you annex him, here's the things

652
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:52,400
you should include or should we say here
are the questions we have before you

653
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:56,000
decide to annex him?
>> I think both.

654
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:59,280
» Well, no, there's
>> I think I think some of that stuff we

655
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,680
don't know yet. So, it is going to be a
question. Some of the stuff we do know

656
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:06,800
already.
>> The facts are there. We may not know it,

657
00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:10,800
but the facts are there.
>> So, we can ask questions

658
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,119
» that you all need to get answered. And
when you're answered to your

659
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:17,920
satisfaction,
>> then you're there.

660
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:21,520
» Yep. And we've we've been trying to um
post even those sorts of things on the

661
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:24,079
website with, you know, the emails we've
gotten where people have asked us

662
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:27,760
questions. We've been posting the
questions and the responses. The

663
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:30,960
planning commission has a whole list of
questions that we answered some of them

664
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:35,520
last night. That's right.
>> Got a new list of questions. So, we're

665
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:40,400
going to put those on the website. Um
but yeah, so that's why I I asked Steve

666
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:45,760
if he would be willing to come and talk
with us. Um and then after the meeting

667
00:49:43,599 --> 00:49:49,680
to, you know, have the water board put
forward any other questions, concerns

668
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:54,079
you have. That'll help the planning
commission, too, because

669
00:49:52,079 --> 00:50:00,000
» we'll know, you know, we'll know what we
don't know. Well, and and already from

670
00:49:56,640 --> 00:50:03,440
reading uh Ryan's report and some of the
things that he mentioned in that report,

671
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:07,839
there are some recommendations we could
make to, you know, to cure the issues

672
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:12,160
that have been addressed. Like there are
some

673
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:16,800
» there are some dead end piping in there
>> and Ryan suggested you loop those. So,

674
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:21,119
we're going to recommend that that the
town request that those be looped in and

675
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:25,040
not be dead ends.
>> Sure. I think the well capacity or if

676
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:31,119
there's another well needs to be
addressed and I and I don't think the

677
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:34,720
town actually
should take the land in until that's

678
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,920
resolved.
>> The well here here

679
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:41,760
» that needs to be that needs to be
resolved to the satisfaction of the

680
00:50:39,359 --> 00:50:47,359
town. So in the annexation agreement you
can have that as condition. We'll give

681
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:51,119
you 180 days or 365 days to do that.
That's done. Then we'll annex. So

682
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:53,200
annexation may not happen for a year or
two years,

683
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,920
» right? No, that
>> because you've got all these things he's

684
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,000
got to do before it happens.
>> It's like our own conditions of

685
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:02,400
approval,
>> right? Of course.

686
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:04,240
» Before we What's in it for him?
>> Well, there's a lot in it.

687
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:07,280
» I talked to him.
>> And it's all money.

688
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:10,559
» I talked to you.
>> We're saving him a ton of money. He's

689
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,800
going to he's going to build all those
homes out there. He's going to make

690
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:17,599
money off that.
>> Well, but he does not want to manage

691
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:21,160
water. That's what it I he doesn't want
to manage his own small

692
00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:28,720
» Well, I tell you what, that that well
>> can help serve the land to the north

693
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:31,760
when it's hooked into that money
pipeline. It's just another source of

694
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:37,599
supply for that
>> and it and it by doing that it it

695
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:41,119
creates us more reliable supply upstream
at Prader Canyon and Green Canyon.

696
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:44,720
» And that's a benefit that starts day
one. That's that starts right away. You

697
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:48,559
connect that back.
>> The water will run downhill into Green

698
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:50,720
Canyon tank.
>> What will

699
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:55,599
» his
>> No, it will run up. It will run downhill

700
00:51:53,440 --> 00:52:00,480
to the north.
>> Well, I'm just saying

701
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:03,760
» when he hooks it into our main system,
it'll run downhill into our tank if we

702
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,319
want it.
>> If we wanted to. Yeah.

703
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:11,520
» And so you can get it there to where
it'll be full distribution.

704
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:14,400
» It can. and and so you know the the the
uh

705
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:18,079
» it's a valuable asset if it's
>> Ryan

706
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:21,119
» estimated that they need 90 gallons a
minute for sort of everyday use

707
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:27,359
» for them
>> right and then the the maximum use would

708
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:31,680
be up over 500 but then the that that's
on a single point in time but the

709
00:52:29,359 --> 00:52:35,280
maximum sort of daily use would be 205
gallons a minute and that's the the

710
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,079
capacity that we would ask for for this
well

711
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:41,200
» y
>> is 205 gallons because that additional

712
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:44,400
105 gallons a minute that you're going
to that can help the rest of the town. I

713
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:50,559
mean, there's got to be something in it
for us as an asset for the water system

714
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:54,160
and the well would be that asset.
>> The well is only permitted for 150

715
00:52:53,280 --> 00:53:01,040
gallon a minute.
>> I know he needs to he needs to

716
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:04,240
» he needs to improve it to 205. Lee,
>> whatever it takes.

717
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:08,240
» Yeah.
need more than that to make it

718
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:14,240
worthwhile for the town. We already can
supply

719
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:17,520
uh the town at to at full build out.
>> Now we can

720
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:23,359
» Well, this would be this would be an
extra measure of u additional supply.

721
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:28,079
» Did did Ry and I'm sorry that I've read
a lot of things but I my memory is

722
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:33,200
really short. So, did Ryan include the
the additional requirement on our

723
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:39,280
storage for that? Because once he's
plugged in, he's using our storage. He

724
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:42,960
will use our storage in in times of
drought, you know, when it when it's

725
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,680
really high dem high demand is what the
word is.

726
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:49,440
» Wasn't that in the impact fee?
>> No, we did. We wiped it out practically.

727
00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:54,880
» It's not practically, but there's
something in there. is 205 gallons a

728
00:53:52,240 --> 00:53:57,520
minute and they only need 90
>> 90 average.

729
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:02,640
» Yeah,
>> I'm talking about when it is when they

730
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:05,680
when their demand is greater than the
well capacity, they're going to have to

731
00:54:04,720 --> 00:54:09,680
use our storage,
>> right? And I doubt that their wells

732
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:13,599
their demand's going to exceed that 2005
gallons.

733
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:17,920
» Not not for 57 years a long time out if
I'm right. But our people are paying

734
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,880
money into a
>> kid theoretically for those futures. So

735
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:26,000
they should be paying into it, but
they're not going to pay into it until

736
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:30,640
he develops it. That's what I'm really
concerned about. If that thing was

737
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:35,760
planted, we got we got we've had over a
thousand people paying $25 a month, $30,

738
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,920
$30, whatever we charge them
>> for future costs.

739
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,359
» Mhm.
>> And they're going to come in for free.

740
00:54:39,599 --> 00:54:46,400
Nobody gets that. Nobody has to pay for
a damn penny up there unless he has a

741
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:51,599
phase that does it. And he's got so many
phases that he may never get.

742
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:54,319
» But if he doesn't do the phase, it's not
hurting the town any

743
00:54:53,119 --> 00:54:59,119
» right. There's no demand.
>> So you're Is that what you're

744
00:54:56,559 --> 00:55:03,200
» No, I'm just saying why again.
>> No, but we could say the same thing to

745
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:07,040
our people. If if you don't sell your
lot, why do we have to do all this

746
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,559
stuff? But you have to plan for the
eventual. But I'm saying if if it never

747
00:55:09,359 --> 00:55:13,520
came to fruition,
>> right?

748
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:18,880
» Let's say you only built 10 homes and
two two multif family.

749
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:22,640
» Again, it's enough capacity
>> with what he currently has.

750
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:27,599
» I don't I don't question it a bit, but
look look a vacant lot owner in the eye

751
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:31,280
and say, "But they're not developed.
They're not developed.

752
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,520
» It's not a lot yet because
>> because you're not required." You see

753
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:37,599
what I'm saying? He should be required
to have a full

754
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:42,000
» platted
>> platted deal. He's got vacant lots. We

755
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:45,760
got vacant lots. He's got
>> I I think that's one of the recommend I

756
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:49,200
mean that we just talked about that.
>> But it's got to be not a plan to where

757
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,960
he doesn't pay anything until he gets
there. It's got to be here. It is

758
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:56,559
» that provides certainty. The plat the
plat provides certainty to the town that

759
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,920
that's going to be developed like that.
I think that's important. I think why he

760
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:04,480
would have a problem with that. And if
he goes bankrupt, somebody else that he

761
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:08,640
wants to execute now
>> and and he has it work.

762
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:12,960
» So get platted to all of our points
>> except for I don't want to I don't want

763
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:16,400
to see 16.
>> But you don't have to see it.

764
00:56:14,240 --> 00:56:18,880
» I I'm just saying that would have to be
a change.

765
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,880
» Change, right?
>> Because again, if he's going to plat it,

766
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,240
» not being annexed, he's going to he's
going to go do that.

767
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,200
» Yeah.
>> And then we have to grandfather him if

768
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,760
we ever annex him
>> because it's been platted that way.

769
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:33,119
So,
>> I think there's enough pain on his part

770
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,599
financially
>> that if you tell him he has to do it,

771
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:39,680
he'll probably do it.
>> Well,

772
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:47,119
» good discussion.
>> Well, I think a likely scenario is uh 20

773
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:50,160
years from now there's 30 ohms there.
>> That's probably about right. You know,

774
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:56,160
probably
>> I'm very biased cuz I stare out my front

775
00:56:53,200 --> 00:57:01,760
window at that wonderful field and I can
see those storage from my picture

776
00:56:59,599 --> 00:57:07,200
window. Oh, that's a that's another
deal. The storage units aren't included.

777
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:13,040
» The storage you are the storage units
are currently using somebody's water.

778
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:16,559
Either one of our customers
illegally are doing Yeah. They're

779
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:20,000
watering their trees. They had trees out
there. Okay. and they got water from one

780
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:23,040
of our customers and we told them they
couldn't sell water

781
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:28,799
» and I don't know if they turned it off
or if he's brought that well over and

782
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:31,680
some the question should be do they have
water yeah that they're going to have to

783
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,240
get their own
>> well this developer

784
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:39,440
» no they can have it cuz we have out of
town water rates but they need a meter

785
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:43,680
» anymore
sold it but why would Yeah because

786
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:47,280
that's a piece of commercial property as
well

787
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:51,920
» which would generate at least a little
Well, yeah. It could it would double

788
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:54,400
what you're getting in for start with,
>> you know.

789
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,119
» So, anyway, I think a scenario is in 20
years, we've got maybe 30 homes there.

790
00:57:56,559 --> 00:58:02,720
» Yeah.
>> And he walks away, sells the risk

791
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:06,000
because it's time to retire.
>> Well, if it's but if it's planted, we

792
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:08,799
don't care.
>> That's the importance of the plan.

793
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:12,480
» I don't think so.
>> And and it'd be easy to sell those to

794
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,640
other other
>> well developers.

795
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:18,720
Look at the worst. he goes bankrupt and
you want to buy that property.

796
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,520
» Mhm.
>> You buy the property with the planning

797
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,280
as it is,
>> right?

798
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,160
» And you're not going to buy it unless
you agree to it.

799
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:30,559
» And we're not going to let you we're not
going to change our ideas. No. You see

800
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,960
what I'm saying? So I think
>> the same thing applies to water rights.

801
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:38,240
» Yeah.
>> We need to have those upfront because we

802
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:43,680
don't want them sold to a third party at
some point. I think that is this time

803
00:58:40,559 --> 00:58:47,599
» for the whole for the whole
>> we don't want somebody setting up a

804
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:55,319
private system the water rights we own
the in state went through we're

805
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:55,319
granted of the water

806
00:58:56,319 --> 00:59:01,839
» you know more about that
>> I just remember

807
00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,160
» all water rights are like that we didn't
get

808
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:09,040
» we don't like using that word because
it's too hard to pronounce anyway

809
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,799
» you understand that's the important
Well, I think I think

810
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:16,720
» but every time we have a conversation
like this, we gather more and more

811
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:21,599
information from everybody.
>> This could be a good deal if

812
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:24,960
» and I don't think anybody would
disagree. It's just all of us agreeing

813
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:29,359
what this this and this.
>> Right. I think the questions that Lee

814
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:33,440
raised should be added to the questions
for you all to to review and post on

815
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:37,599
them.
>> So, do you want a formal re

816
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:42,000
recommendation from the board? I yeah I
would love to have you know if you've

817
00:59:39,599 --> 00:59:46,240
got these well I've got these questions
in the email but if you want to put

818
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:51,680
those and any others together along with
a sort of a formal recommendation

819
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:57,040
» you know that that gives us something to
also then as a town and the staff to

820
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,280
find answers to if there are answers
available and share those all of that

821
00:59:59,359 --> 01:00:05,440
off with the public on the website and
in meetings. So

822
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:10,160
» do you want me to draft up something?
>> Sure. You're the best person to do it.

823
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:13,280
» This
you guys

824
01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:15,599
» and I have spent the last three weeks.
>> This is excellent.

825
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:20,480
» Putting together everything we could.
Now, let me tell you how we did it.

826
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:24,079
» We went and we we said, "Let's just
start writing. Don't try to organize

827
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:27,520
anything."
>> We said, "Put questions down. What

828
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,680
happens if this or what if we don't do
this or what if we do that?"

829
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:35,680
» Is that what this is?
>> That's what that is. So, it's not it's

830
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:40,319
not made to be say don't do it. is to
say if you do it, here's what you should

831
01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:44,799
do. And it's not complete by any means,
but it's at least it's all of our

832
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:50,400
thoughts that we put a lot of time and
effort in. And and the the alder, you

833
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:55,760
can laugh at some of those alternates,
but we got to say, what's the wildest or

834
01:00:53,280 --> 01:01:00,720
alder you could ask for? And we put a
couple of those in there,

835
01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:05,440
» but but the last page is questions and
the first page is whatever we put on

836
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:09,839
there as a title. you really need that
first page answered. I think that'll

837
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,319
help you get started. So, use those
David to your discretion.

838
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:16,799
» Well,
>> if you know the answer, don't do it. But

839
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:21,680
» yeah, many times they don't. So,
>> but it it's better to have can some 10

840
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:25,119
people ask you the same question. Not
but anybody not.

841
01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:29,040
» We're going to focus since we are the
water utility board focus on the water.

842
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,720
» Yeah.
>> Exclusively.

843
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:37,119
» Yes.
and our I think some of the questions we

844
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:39,599
want answered should be separate from
our

845
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:43,599
» recommendations. Correct.
>> Oh, absolutely.

846
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:50,400
» Yeah. And I also talked to him about the
the wellhead protection area, the 200

847
01:01:46,319 --> 01:01:56,400
foot thing and uh he's seems confident
that I mean he's talked with the

848
01:01:53,200 --> 01:02:01,920
neighboring owners and seems confident
he'll get a variance on that. And uh he

849
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:05,760
said that the rumors about him him being
sued about it are false. He's not being

850
01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:10,880
sued about it. So
>> well there's enough rumors that

851
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:14,880
» the variance what what is the variance?
>> 200 foot wellhead protection.

852
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:20,079
» I know but the does the variance say
that

853
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:23,200
would it say that within that 200t area
there would not be developed a septic

854
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,720
game.
>> Yeah.

855
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,040
» Is that what it's going to say with the
with the neighboring land owner?

856
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:30,319
» Basically
>> I would think so. Yeah. So then that

857
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:36,319
well I'm just trying to understand it.
So that would have to be something that

858
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:41,280
would have to be um that would run with
that neighbor's land.

859
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:47,440
» So any subsequent owner knows that
>> and it has to be conveyable

860
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:49,839
to the town.
>> Yeah.

861
01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:52,799
» That variance has to be something that
the town can enforce

862
01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:57,680
» separate transaction.
>> It it yes it has to be enforceable. And

863
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:01,040
then there's also a condition, a
covenant that runs with that neighbor's

864
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:04,880
land
>> that that variance is in place and no

865
01:03:03,119 --> 01:03:06,640
septic tank can be developed.
>> Yeah.

866
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:10,319
» Because if she ends up selling that
land, that new owner needs to know that

867
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,359
it just runs with the land.
>> Mhm.

868
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:19,839
» Well, the if you look at the circle,
there's one of his lots that's about 65

869
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:26,240
70% inside that circle. Right. I would
recommend very strongly that you

870
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:26,240
consider making that a utility