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discussion of data center

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development in Arkansas our

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first witness is Miss Rachel

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Wilson with Google. Miss Wilson,

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presentation oh and you do have

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afternoon Chairman Johnson,

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Chairman Mcairn members of the

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committeechnology never ceases

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to surprise us I will say after

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this so thank you so much for

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having me today it's great to be

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able to talk to you about

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Google's data centers more

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broadly and are specific data

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centers that are under

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construction in Arkansas.

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unknowns or misconceptions about

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what a data center is and what

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it does it is not exclusively

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for the purposes of AI

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development Google's data

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centers power all of our

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products that we either give or

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sell to customers and I'm sure

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many of you in this room use

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many of those products you can

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see from these icons here those

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include searchch, Chrome cloud,

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Youube which my children cannot

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get off of so I appreciate

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demands that's happening in my

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own house it's not just your'm

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glad to hear that gmail maps all

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of the things that we do in our

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daily lives using one of our

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many devices those google

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products are powered by google's

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we have32 locations for our

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owned and operated data centers

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across four continents. This map

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shows the data centers that are

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operational there are also a

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number of data centers that we

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have under construction that are

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not yet shown on this map but

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when those facilities are

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energized we will add them here

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and we keep this page up to date

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on our website not a website

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gives information about our data

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centers and all of the locations

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more broadly if you're

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interested in a specific su if

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we were to go to the website

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we could zoom in on that big

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bunch of dots in the US that's

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correct and you could see

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exactly where each of those dots

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of locations here that are

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data center so you can see the

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that actually hosts two that are

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facilities where one

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particular location hosts

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data center that is currently

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last year. it represents a4

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billion dollars capital

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investment from Google and we've

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partnered with Entergy to cover

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the full cost of service for our

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demand at that site entergy's

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analysis showed that over the

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lifetime of our 20 year contract

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that contract will yield $1.1

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billion in net benefits to

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Arkansas ratepayers and that

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contract also supports the

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development of a project called

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Cyprus solar which is a600

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megawatt solar and350 megawatt

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substation prep now but things

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change very rapidly and that

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due diligence process we are

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engaged with our stakeholders

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community and the desires around

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development at that particular

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site we had filed for a wetlands

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permit initially we've pulled

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that permit subsequently and are

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currently making the necessary

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modifications before we refile

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as you can see from this chart

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and from the site map that

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doesn't yet show those data

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centers that are under construct

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or those data centers that are

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under construction are not yet

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shown on this map Google's

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energy demand is growing

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exponentially over time and

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it is this energy demand that is

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fueling

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demand in the markets for power

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from our utility partners.

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what are we doing about that a

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couple of things because we

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found that the traditional

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utility model of building large

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scale generation projects that

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take multiple years aren't

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meeting the desire for speed to

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construct the infrastructure

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that Google needs to serve its

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customers so we've had to

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rethink some of the traditional

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business models for power we

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rely very heavily on our

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industry and utility partners to

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help us come up with these

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solutions to build projects that

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specific types of energy and in

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order to retain those customers

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to help us think creatively

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implement these solutions build

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generation projects like cyprus

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solar but that could also

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operates at existing nuclear

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units advanced storage at longer

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durations these new types of

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things that will enable clean

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power at scale and delivered

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to our customers

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those policies come for come

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forward in our contract

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frameworks that we have with

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number of different utilities

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a certain number of principles

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to protect ratepayers against

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bearing the burden of Google's

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energy cost so those principles

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include long term commitments

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our ultimate demand in minimum

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whether we use that volume of

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energy or not so when we say

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contracted demand we will pay

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collateral and we have stringent

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exit and termination fees so if

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Google decides that it's that

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contract. oftentimes we we wind

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exit fees and we do that so that

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the bill for infrastructure that

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develop to power our data

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our larger load which results in

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developers to bring new types of

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nuclear front we're looking at

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repowering existing facilities

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Fusionystems the date on

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those technologies is still to

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power into the grid for

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sustained amounts of time

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Currently the standard is

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lithium ion technologies which

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can release power for about four

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hours at maximum we're looking

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at projects that can do 8,12,24,

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even 100 hours and those will

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preserve reliability at lowest

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cost to customers and ratepayers

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in terms of the red the US

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transmission infrastructure is

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aging it needs replacement but

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construction of transmission

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lines is expensive and it takes

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a long time. So we've partnered

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with an entity calledctC Global

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to look at reconductoring lines

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which enables more power to flow

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through on an expedited timeline

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we're looking at using Google's

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own AI capabilities to speed

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interconnection times to look at

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weather forecasting that enables

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more optimal power

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operations and unit commitments

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and then we're using demand

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response that means when there

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is a situation where the grid is

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strained we will reduce demand

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at our data center site to

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alleviate that constraint and

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lower wholesale prices for

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customers that demand

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response is outlined in our west

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memphis contract with entergy so

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we agreed to a period of up to

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10 hours for any event and then

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over 100 hours of the course of

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the year in which we will reduce

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our data center demand if called

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upon

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by the utility

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then lastly I want to highlight

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the energy affordability work

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that we're doing here in

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Arkansas alongside the

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announcement in September for

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the west memphis datata Center

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we also announced our west

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memphisnergy impact fund. That

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fund commits over 25 million

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or'm5 million dollars over five

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years to improve energy

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affordability for low income

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customers it is focused at this

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point on West Memphis and

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Crittenon County looking at

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weatherization and

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preweatherization so there's

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health and

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safety repairs that are needed

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to enable low income customers

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to qualify for weatherization

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services.

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we also announced just a few

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months ago our commitment to an

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additional5 million dollars in

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health and safety improvements

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weatherization services

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community solar and energy

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efficiency upgrades for schools

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as part of our announcement

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about the Stee River facility.

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Steele River is the US's largest

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solar facility that is currently

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under construction in the town

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of Wilson and you can see that

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I've highlighted some of the

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partners that are enabling us to

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carry out these investments ICF

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who is

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entergy's implementation partner

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for energy efficiency services

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groundswell Crowwley'sridge

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Development Council and

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Elevatenergyround swell has been

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particularly active in this

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space they've moved I think

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over40 homes off of their list

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and are looking at a waitlist of

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250 at this point so they are

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moving as quickly as they can to

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get through that list by the end

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of 2026. but I've included this

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testimonial here and it says

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after being residents in our

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home for over30 years it's as if

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we've

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moved into our house again for

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the very first time with all the

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new windows and attic insulation

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and these are west memphis

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residents whose home was

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recently retrofitted by

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groundswell and they agreed to

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talk about their story with

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Google and with you all.

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and I've just concluded with

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some views inside of our actual

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data centers so these are Google

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employees who you can see doing

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electrical repairs HAC repairs

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some welding so these are the

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people who are employed at

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Google's data centers just a

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small subset

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with that I'm happy to take

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questions.

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thank you

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M Wilson I had one just quick

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question you mentioned the

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advanced conductors for your

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transmission lines this is where

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we'll just say the wire I know

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it's may be some other kind of

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cable but the wires are being

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would be retrofitted to

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something that's more efficient

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and would either not eliminate

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but but diminish the amount of

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line loss over the distance

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that's it has to travel and my

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understanding that they

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essentially apply a coating to

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the existing wire which

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allows it more electrons to pass

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through that wire in any given

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moment and and for people who

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aren't aware that I attended a a

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meeting where this was described

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it's there's a significant

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amount of line loss went from

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where something's generated to

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where it's final delivered to

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the the end user and that's

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efficiency that you know that's

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that's like adding more capacity

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if you can get this efficiency

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so that's without needing to

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build new infrastructure

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well we'll go straight to

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questions uhpresentativeladyman

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you are recognized I'm over here

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way over here's up there thank

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you Mr Chairman. a couple of

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questions are any of your

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current data centers

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self-powered in other words do

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they have their own power source

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or are they all grid operated.

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If you think back to that map

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that I showed you, there are no

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locations on that map that have

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onsite generation that is being

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used to power the data

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center that is something that

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google looks at when we're

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considering data center

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development policies have to be

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in in place in a state in order

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to enable that solution and so

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there are I think some locations

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in Texas where we're looking to

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construct a new data center and

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use onsite power for generation

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in general our our preference

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is to be grid connected and to

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work with our utility partners

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in the states in which we're

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located in order to bring

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those generation solutions to

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the grid and to other ratepayers

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thank you for that one more Mr

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chairman if you could go go

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right ahead sir

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you know we we heard a lot of

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things and things in the

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newspaper. some I think are

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correct. I think some of them

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are not correct.

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one of the things that we

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read about is the water usage

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can are you able to answer, I

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mean can you give us an idea of

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water usage. I know some of the

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sites or the data centers

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recirculate their water

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can you give us an idea of how

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much water a

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average sized data center or

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typical sized data center would

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use

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I can speak to that at a very

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high level and what I will say

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is that it's incredibly site

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specific but also developerc

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specific. there are some folks

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out there who are developing

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data centers who use the same

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technology in all of their sites

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google takes a different

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approach. Our approach is one

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that is very sitesific. it looks

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at the availability of the

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resource in the community, the

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quality of the resource in the

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community the existing

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infrastructure the need for any

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potential upgrades and then we

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make those sciing decision

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s or the the infrastructure

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decisions around both

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constraints and opportunities so

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each of our data centers may use

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a technology that is unique to

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that particular site and that is

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absolutely an area where we will

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look for community input on the

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type of solution that they would

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want to see so would it be

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possible to put it in an area

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like northwest Arkansas where

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there's very little water and

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is there a technique that you

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could use to do that? West

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memphis actually is using a dry

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cooling

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technology and that was not the

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original plan but when faced

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with certain constraints on the

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system we had to pivot and then

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select that dry cooling so yes

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in areas that are water

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constrained there is an option

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for that thank you

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thank youpresentative ladyman

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now when you say dry cooling is

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this you know

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like an old Vvolkswagen that's

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air cooled is it like that as

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opposed to something that has a

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recirculating liquid

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is that analogous to that and I

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will say that there's when

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you're looking at cooling

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solutions that useless water

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there's a tradeoff that comes

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with that because water is the

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most efficient way to cool

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anything that's hot and so when

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you're using dry cooled

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solutions you in turn using more

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energy. so we have to look at

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both sides of the coin so

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running that fan costs more

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energy than running a water pump

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OK.

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great uhpresentative beck you're

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recognized

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thank you Mr Chair

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I I had a couple of questions

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you you were talking about the

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coding on the wire increasing

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the efficiency in the land law

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de decreasing the land loss

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for the transmission

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you didn't have a number I'm an

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engineer you didn't have a

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number is that like 20% I don't

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know off the top of my head but

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I'm happy to get back to you on

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that after after this

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discussion. OK so that's the so

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the next and you might just give

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it back to the to the to the

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committee and that distributed

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out to us

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committee staff and we'll we'll

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see that everyone gets the

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answer thank you the

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the second question is you were

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talking about your demand

585
00:18:38,614 --> 00:18:38,864
contract that you have and you

586
00:18:40,616 --> 00:18:40,866
and I'm I might have heard wrong

587
00:18:43,152 --> 00:18:43,402
so you said for you can reduce

588
00:18:45,054 --> 00:18:45,304
your demand down to help

589
00:18:48,624 --> 00:18:48,874
stabilize the grid for 10 hours

590
00:18:50,392 --> 00:18:50,642
for10 hours in a single event

591
00:18:52,361 --> 00:18:52,611
and then 100 hours in total over

592
00:18:53,095 --> 00:18:53,345
the course of the year so it's

593
00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:55,380
100 hours for the course of the

594
00:18:55,831 --> 00:18:56,081
year

595
00:18:56,081 --> 00:18:56,331
all right

596
00:19:00,836 --> 00:19:01,086
so just in general your other

597
00:19:02,838 --> 00:19:03,088
sites have you do you have

598
00:19:04,573 --> 00:19:04,823
similar contracts like that with

599
00:19:07,076 --> 00:19:07,326
at other sites and how has that

600
00:19:09,144 --> 00:19:09,394
played out in other words you

601
00:19:10,612 --> 00:19:10,862
know we've never used more

602
00:19:11,380 --> 00:19:11,630
than60 hours a year or something

603
00:19:12,081 --> 00:19:12,331
like that

604
00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:15,634
that's right it is the demand

605
00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:17,369
response is a relatively new

606
00:19:18,620 --> 00:19:18,870
provision that we're writing

607
00:19:20,622 --> 00:19:20,872
into our contract so I believe

608
00:19:23,125 --> 00:19:23,375
entergy was the third utility

609
00:19:26,362 --> 00:19:26,612
with which we made this type of

610
00:19:27,129 --> 00:19:27,379
partnership agreement Indiana

611
00:19:30,632 --> 00:19:30,882
Michigan is another and the name

612
00:19:32,334 --> 00:19:32,584
of the third is escaping me at

613
00:19:34,603 --> 00:19:34,853
the moment but we're looking to

614
00:19:37,139 --> 00:19:37,389
do this in in increasing

615
00:19:39,375 --> 00:19:39,625
amounts in new utility contracts

616
00:19:41,143 --> 00:19:41,393
as we are able there are certain

617
00:19:42,444 --> 00:19:42,694
services for data center

618
00:19:43,011 --> 00:19:43,261
customers

619
00:19:45,347 --> 00:19:45,597
that have less ability to be

620
00:19:48,617 --> 00:19:48,867
curtailed than others so you

621
00:19:49,218 --> 00:19:49,468
would want your

622
00:19:52,621 --> 00:19:52,871
your google products to stay

623
00:19:54,390 --> 00:19:54,640
online and in emergency

624
00:19:56,625 --> 00:19:56,875
situations you want the

625
00:19:58,360 --> 00:19:58,610
emergency response team to still

626
00:20:00,329 --> 00:20:00,579
be there so those run through a

627
00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:02,581
data center so the ability to

628
00:20:04,366 --> 00:20:04,616
curtail is going to vary

629
00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:05,350
according to the site and the

630
00:20:06,568 --> 00:20:06,818
customers who are being served

631
00:20:08,604 --> 00:20:08,854
at that particular site but it

632
00:20:10,606 --> 00:20:10,856
is something that our team is

633
00:20:12,574 --> 00:20:12,824
actively working on to implement

634
00:20:13,308 --> 00:20:13,558
at as many locations as

635
00:20:13,876 --> 00:20:14,126
possible.

636
00:20:15,411 --> 00:20:15,661
one more if I may

637
00:20:18,547 --> 00:20:18,797
just this I'll tell you what

638
00:20:19,181 --> 00:20:19,431
I'll just get back into the I'll

639
00:20:20,849 --> 00:20:21,099
get back into the go ahead and

640
00:20:22,351 --> 00:20:22,601
back and I'll cut you off I

641
00:20:22,951 --> 00:20:23,201
think you're talking to

642
00:20:26,622 --> 00:20:26,872
so the the question I had was

643
00:20:27,222 --> 00:20:27,472
in that

644
00:20:31,126 --> 00:20:31,376
looking at distribution lines

645
00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:34,613
versus transmission lines and I

646
00:20:36,365 --> 00:20:36,615
know in your statement you

647
00:20:36,965 --> 00:20:37,215
you I know that you guys are

648
00:20:38,367 --> 00:20:38,617
saying that that you're you're

649
00:20:40,569 --> 00:20:40,819
paying for all the the equipment

650
00:20:42,604 --> 00:20:42,854
to to serve your facility

651
00:20:45,073 --> 00:20:45,323
you energy you've worked out a

652
00:20:46,875 --> 00:20:47,125
contract with them so my

653
00:20:47,409 --> 00:20:47,659
question is this

654
00:20:48,744 --> 00:20:48,994
there's distribution

655
00:20:54,349 --> 00:20:54,599
cost or distribution assets in

656
00:20:56,618 --> 00:20:56,868
infrastructure that that needs

657
00:20:57,252 --> 00:20:57,502
to maybe be increased or

658
00:20:58,620 --> 00:20:58,870
whatever like that and I'm I'm

659
00:21:00,355 --> 00:21:00,605
assuming you're paying for that

660
00:21:01,056 --> 00:21:01,306
because that's distribution but

661
00:21:02,891 --> 00:21:03,141
my question is on a bigger scale

662
00:21:03,625 --> 00:21:03,875
on the transmission

663
00:21:07,129 --> 00:21:07,379
for the transmission of of power

664
00:21:09,398 --> 00:21:09,648
in and out of the area where

665
00:21:10,499 --> 00:21:10,749
you're operating in

666
00:21:14,570 --> 00:21:14,820
and and this this work that

667
00:21:17,105 --> 00:21:17,355
you've done with the I think

668
00:21:19,107 --> 00:21:19,357
it saidctClobal

669
00:21:20,609 --> 00:21:20,859
I think it saidctClobal

670
00:21:22,845 --> 00:21:23,095
to help the transmission lines

671
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,130
reduce the losses on those lines

672
00:21:28,550 --> 00:21:28,800
is that adequate enough I guess

673
00:21:30,819 --> 00:21:31,069
I'm concerned about transmission

674
00:21:32,855 --> 00:21:33,105
restraints you know there's

675
00:21:33,455 --> 00:21:33,705
there's there's there's

676
00:21:35,123 --> 00:21:35,373
transmission restraints within

677
00:21:37,092 --> 00:21:37,342
the distribution lines but

678
00:21:38,627 --> 00:21:38,877
there's also transmission

679
00:21:42,331 --> 00:21:42,581
restraints on the larger grid so

680
00:21:44,366 --> 00:21:44,616
can you fill in the gaps there a

681
00:21:48,370 --> 00:21:48,620
little bit for me iss is the

682
00:21:52,574 --> 00:21:52,824
is it CtClobalt are they gonna

683
00:21:54,877 --> 00:21:55,127
offset any kind of restrictions

684
00:21:55,544 --> 00:21:55,794
as far as

685
00:21:58,347 --> 00:21:58,597
the transmission side of this

686
00:21:59,114 --> 00:21:59,364
goes. I'm going to answer your

687
00:22:00,849 --> 00:22:01,099
question in two parts and the

688
00:22:02,885 --> 00:22:03,135
first part is related to the

689
00:22:04,386 --> 00:22:04,636
transmission infrastructure

690
00:22:06,655 --> 00:22:06,905
that's going to be used to serve

691
00:22:08,624 --> 00:22:08,874
google's load at West Memphis

692
00:22:09,258 --> 00:22:09,508
there was additional

693
00:22:11,126 --> 00:22:11,376
infrastructure that was needed

694
00:22:13,161 --> 00:22:13,411
at that facility and as part of

695
00:22:14,863 --> 00:22:15,113
the special rate contract with

696
00:22:16,632 --> 00:22:16,882
entergy there is a provision

697
00:22:18,333 --> 00:22:18,583
that google will pay for those

698
00:22:19,134 --> 00:22:19,384
upgrades and additional

699
00:22:20,869 --> 00:22:21,119
infrastructure that's needed

700
00:22:24,606 --> 00:22:24,856
thectClobalartnership is a

701
00:22:25,207 --> 00:22:25,457
separate partnership that

702
00:22:28,577 --> 00:22:28,827
is looking at reconductoring

703
00:22:30,612 --> 00:22:30,862
existing transmission lines and

704
00:22:32,581 --> 00:22:32,831
currently the way that that is

705
00:22:34,616 --> 00:22:34,866
structured was via an RfP

706
00:22:36,885 --> 00:22:37,135
process and so we put it out to

707
00:22:38,654 --> 00:22:38,904
all of the utilities and then we

708
00:22:40,589 --> 00:22:40,839
got responses from folks who are

709
00:22:42,357 --> 00:22:42,607
interested in partnering with

710
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:44,609
Google. they submitted a

711
00:22:45,327 --> 00:22:45,577
response and detailed the

712
00:22:46,862 --> 00:22:47,112
project and the amount of

713
00:22:48,664 --> 00:22:48,914
investment that would be

714
00:22:50,365 --> 00:22:50,615
necessary I believe we have a

715
00:22:50,966 --> 00:22:51,216
team that is currently going

716
00:22:53,101 --> 00:22:53,351
through those responses now to

717
00:22:54,970 --> 00:22:55,220
select kind of the first round

718
00:22:55,637 --> 00:22:55,887
of winners

719
00:22:58,607 --> 00:22:58,857
google is ambitious and we

720
00:23:00,342 --> 00:23:00,592
want to reconductor the entire

721
00:23:01,109 --> 00:23:01,359
United States we just have to

722
00:23:02,811 --> 00:23:03,061
take it you know one chunk at a

723
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:04,830
time. so while we don't have any

724
00:23:06,615 --> 00:23:06,865
plans yet for Arkansas, I hope

725
00:23:08,383 --> 00:23:08,633
that this will be another way

726
00:23:09,151 --> 00:23:09,401
that we can work with entergy to

727
00:23:10,919 --> 00:23:11,169
bring benefits to Arkansas

728
00:23:11,486 --> 00:23:11,736
ratepayers.

729
00:23:12,988 --> 00:23:13,238
thank you

730
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:15,340
thank youpresentative

731
00:23:17,025 --> 00:23:17,275
senator Mcee you recognized

732
00:23:25,133 --> 00:23:25,383
you Mr Chairman and thank you

733
00:23:28,337 --> 00:23:28,587
Miss Wilson for being here

734
00:23:28,971 --> 00:23:29,221
you know there's a lot of

735
00:23:30,606 --> 00:23:30,856
communities that are concerned

736
00:23:32,341 --> 00:23:32,591
with different aspects different

737
00:23:33,075 --> 00:23:33,325
things they've seen on social

738
00:23:34,810 --> 00:23:35,060
media could you would you be

739
00:23:36,645 --> 00:23:36,895
willing to go through what you

740
00:23:38,347 --> 00:23:38,597
consider to be some of the most

741
00:23:39,147 --> 00:23:39,397
important questions those

742
00:23:42,351 --> 00:23:42,601
communities can ask whether it

743
00:23:43,151 --> 00:23:43,401
is Google that's developing the

744
00:23:46,355 --> 00:23:46,605
data center or whoever it is can

745
00:23:47,389 --> 00:23:47,639
you go to some of some of the

746
00:23:48,924 --> 00:23:49,174
most important questions you

747
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:50,609
think are important for y'all to

748
00:23:51,126 --> 00:23:51,376
answer for those communities

749
00:23:52,527 --> 00:23:52,777
that's a great question I'm very

750
00:23:53,195 --> 00:23:53,445
glad

751
00:23:55,163 --> 00:23:55,413
you asked and I think there has

752
00:23:57,099 --> 00:23:57,349
been a lack of understanding in

753
00:23:59,034 --> 00:23:59,284
communities about what exactly

754
00:24:01,103 --> 00:24:01,353
those questions should be and

755
00:24:04,339 --> 00:24:04,589
how they can be asked to data

756
00:24:06,341 --> 00:24:06,591
center developers each of the

757
00:24:07,075 --> 00:24:07,325
developers approach things

758
00:24:09,077 --> 00:24:09,327
differently and so it is very

759
00:24:10,846 --> 00:24:11,096
important to have a forum where

760
00:24:12,848 --> 00:24:13,098
you can ask the questions and

761
00:24:15,150 --> 00:24:15,400
get answers that can enable you

762
00:24:16,885 --> 00:24:17,135
to make the best decision for

763
00:24:20,355 --> 00:24:20,605
your community I think we are

764
00:24:20,989 --> 00:24:21,239
seeing people who are very

765
00:24:22,457 --> 00:24:22,707
interested in energy use in

766
00:24:23,025 --> 00:24:23,275
water

767
00:24:27,095 --> 00:24:27,345
use sound appropriate buffers

768
00:24:30,632 --> 00:24:30,882
around facilities impacts on

769
00:24:32,601 --> 00:24:32,851
lands and wetlands

770
00:24:36,772 --> 00:24:37,022
community benefits what will

771
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,090
the community wind up paying for

772
00:24:40,609 --> 00:24:40,859
what benefits can they be

773
00:24:42,778 --> 00:24:43,028
expected to get in return? how

774
00:24:45,047 --> 00:24:45,297
will those benefits flow down to

775
00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:47,299
residents and in what form?

776
00:24:49,117 --> 00:24:49,367
These are I'm giving you kind of

777
00:24:51,286 --> 00:24:51,536
topic areas as opposed to you

778
00:24:53,021 --> 00:24:53,271
know very specific questions but

779
00:24:56,358 --> 00:24:56,608
I think those are kind of an

780
00:24:58,360 --> 00:24:58,610
umbrella of things that

781
00:24:59,361 --> 00:24:59,611
communities are interested in

782
00:25:03,165 --> 00:25:03,415
and that need to be asked right

783
00:25:04,666 --> 00:25:04,916
at the outset of any of these

784
00:25:05,333 --> 00:25:05,583
proposals

785
00:25:06,802 --> 00:25:07,052
and I appreciate that answer

786
00:25:08,537 --> 00:25:08,787
what are some of the most

787
00:25:09,137 --> 00:25:09,387
important things states can do

788
00:25:14,342 --> 00:25:14,592
number one to ensure that you

789
00:25:16,344 --> 00:25:16,594
know the market's open for

790
00:25:17,045 --> 00:25:17,295
business and jobs and economic

791
00:25:19,081 --> 00:25:19,331
development but also to make

792
00:25:20,582 --> 00:25:20,832
sure that the people that we

793
00:25:22,818 --> 00:25:23,068
represent are protected from

794
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:25,570
nefarious actors and folks who

795
00:25:26,488 --> 00:25:26,738
don't necessarily exercise the

796
00:25:27,155 --> 00:25:27,405
best practice

797
00:25:32,561 --> 00:25:32,811
think that there are many

798
00:25:34,329 --> 00:25:34,579
entities that are interested in

799
00:25:36,331 --> 00:25:36,581
this and so to the extent that

800
00:25:38,366 --> 00:25:38,616
you can work in partnership that

801
00:25:39,101 --> 00:25:39,351
is going to be most helpful so

802
00:25:41,069 --> 00:25:41,319
as not to step on each other's

803
00:25:44,806 --> 00:25:45,056
toes or avoid you know one

804
00:25:46,541 --> 00:25:46,791
entity kind of getting in the

805
00:25:48,777 --> 00:25:49,027
way of the other and by that I

806
00:25:51,046 --> 00:25:51,296
mean you know entergy for

807
00:25:52,614 --> 00:25:52,864
example has worked out specific

808
00:25:54,850 --> 00:25:55,100
provisions that are enabling

809
00:25:58,353 --> 00:25:58,603
ratepayer protections when data

810
00:25:59,154 --> 00:25:59,404
center loads come to town and so

811
00:25:59,821 --> 00:26:00,071
communication

812
00:26:03,091 --> 00:26:03,341
I think around those principles

813
00:26:04,860 --> 00:26:05,110
will be essential if the

814
00:26:07,062 --> 00:26:07,312
legislature were to take action

815
00:26:08,597 --> 00:26:08,847
at a state level say

816
00:26:10,599 --> 00:26:10,849
and there are states that have

817
00:26:12,801 --> 00:26:13,051
put in provisions around large

818
00:26:16,338 --> 00:26:16,588
load contracting what data

819
00:26:18,573 --> 00:26:18,823
centers must agree to I think

820
00:26:20,809 --> 00:26:21,059
there are some states who have

821
00:26:22,344 --> 00:26:22,594
weighed in on community benefits

822
00:26:24,813 --> 00:26:25,063
planning and what those

823
00:26:25,313 --> 00:26:25,563
benefits should look like

824
00:26:30,585 --> 00:26:30,835
it really comes down to the need

825
00:26:33,088 --> 00:26:33,338
I think in each state and

826
00:26:34,823 --> 00:26:35,073
every every state is going to be

827
00:26:36,625 --> 00:26:36,875
different so your response is

828
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:37,609
not necessarily going to look

829
00:26:40,362 --> 00:26:40,612
the same as Texas but you

830
00:26:41,096 --> 00:26:41,346
know you want to make sure

831
00:26:42,864 --> 00:26:43,114
you're following the principles

832
00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:45,350
of ratepayer protection land use

833
00:26:48,837 --> 00:26:49,087
protection and then making

834
00:26:49,371 --> 00:26:49,621
sure that communities are

835
00:26:50,472 --> 00:26:50,722
receiving the services that they

836
00:26:51,139 --> 00:26:51,389
need.

837
00:26:55,043 --> 00:26:55,293
go ahead if when you leave

838
00:26:57,012 --> 00:26:57,262
here today and I I think you're

839
00:26:58,580 --> 00:26:58,830
probably going straight to the

840
00:27:00,348 --> 00:27:00,598
airport. We appreciate you

841
00:27:01,082 --> 00:27:01,332
taking questions but if you had

842
00:27:02,851 --> 00:27:03,101
to leave hoping that we came

843
00:27:04,352 --> 00:27:04,602
away or the folks that are

844
00:27:06,388 --> 00:27:06,638
watching online came away with

845
00:27:06,988 --> 00:27:07,238
one thing what's the most

846
00:27:08,356 --> 00:27:08,606
important thing that they should

847
00:27:09,124 --> 00:27:09,374
know about the industry that

848
00:27:10,492 --> 00:27:10,742
you're in and the development

849
00:27:11,159 --> 00:27:11,409
that we're seeing

850
00:27:14,362 --> 00:27:14,612
think in any

851
00:27:16,631 --> 00:27:16,881
any market where folks see that

852
00:27:18,633 --> 00:27:18,883
there is money to be made it

853
00:27:20,836 --> 00:27:21,086
invites a level of speculation

854
00:27:22,804 --> 00:27:23,054
and so you have a range of

855
00:27:24,873 --> 00:27:25,123
actors who are looking to

856
00:27:26,842 --> 00:27:27,092
develop data centers and it can

857
00:27:30,345 --> 00:27:30,595
be hard to differentiate the

858
00:27:31,379 --> 00:27:31,629
good actors from the bad actors.

859
00:27:32,881 --> 00:27:33,131
Google has demonstrated its

860
00:27:34,849 --> 00:27:35,099
commitment to doing data center

861
00:27:36,618 --> 00:27:36,868
development in the right way a

862
00:27:38,620 --> 00:27:38,870
way that protects Arkansas

863
00:27:40,622 --> 00:27:40,872
ratepayers in a way that brings

864
00:27:41,289 --> 00:27:41,539
benefits to the

865
00:27:42,858 --> 00:27:43,108
communities in which we're

866
00:27:44,860 --> 00:27:45,110
scited and so that is ultimately

867
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:45,810
what I would like to leave you

868
00:27:46,228 --> 00:27:46,478
with today.

869
00:27:48,330 --> 00:27:48,580
thank you chairman

870
00:27:48,897 --> 00:27:49,147
thank you

871
00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:53,051
p re s ent ative I mean Senator

872
00:27:54,803 --> 00:27:55,053
Mcee and and also Miss Wilson

873
00:27:56,638 --> 00:27:56,888
for a good question and a great

874
00:27:57,305 --> 00:27:57,555
answer

875
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:02,560
along that line I I just wanna

876
00:28:02,944 --> 00:28:03,194
say that can you clarify

877
00:28:06,581 --> 00:28:06,831
and most people in this room

878
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:08,600
probably know it but generally I

879
00:28:10,352 --> 00:28:10,602
don't think people do the

880
00:28:12,654 --> 00:28:12,904
initial developer may not be

881
00:28:15,123 --> 00:28:15,373
one of the names we've heard

882
00:28:18,827 --> 00:28:19,077
like like google or or amazon or

883
00:28:20,562 --> 00:28:20,812
someone like that this is what

884
00:28:21,329 --> 00:28:21,579
you're speaking of where someone

885
00:28:24,366 --> 00:28:24,616
goes in and wants to build a

886
00:28:26,601 --> 00:28:26,851
facility or or start a facility

887
00:28:28,336 --> 00:28:28,586
that will turn around and sell

888
00:28:29,070 --> 00:28:29,320
to you or one of your other the

889
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:31,089
other data companies as my

890
00:28:32,841 --> 00:28:33,091
reading that correctly a

891
00:28:34,342 --> 00:28:34,592
coworker of mine calls that a

892
00:28:36,845 --> 00:28:37,095
man a van and a plan and so that

893
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,330
is somewhat facetious but also

894
00:28:42,617 --> 00:28:42,867
true in that there are folks

895
00:28:43,285 --> 00:28:43,535
out there who are looking to

896
00:28:43,952 --> 00:28:44,202
acquire

897
00:28:44,853 --> 00:28:45,103
land and yes construct a

898
00:28:46,821 --> 00:28:47,071
facility and ultimately sell it

899
00:28:48,823 --> 00:28:49,073
to someone but they don't yet

900
00:28:50,859 --> 00:28:51,109
know who that someone will be so

901
00:28:52,594 --> 00:28:52,844
it's total speculation in that

902
00:28:53,228 --> 00:28:53,478
regard ok thank you

903
00:28:56,998 --> 00:28:57,248
next representative in it

904
00:28:57,565 --> 00:28:57,815
you recognized

905
00:29:01,036 --> 00:29:01,286
thank you chairman. Hi, I'm

906
00:29:04,572 --> 00:29:04,822
Denise Sennett and the google

907
00:29:06,841 --> 00:29:07,091
that you're going to build on

908
00:29:08,810 --> 00:29:09,060
the port that's in my district

909
00:29:10,345 --> 00:29:10,595
and so I have a couple of

910
00:29:12,347 --> 00:29:12,597
questions about that can you

911
00:29:13,381 --> 00:29:13,631
talk about the timeline again

912
00:29:16,584 --> 00:29:16,834
we haven't yet developed a

913
00:29:18,853 --> 00:29:19,103
timeline. The timeline is going

914
00:29:20,488 --> 00:29:20,738
to be somewhat lengthy

915
00:29:23,091 --> 00:29:23,341
more than a year I can say for

916
00:29:26,361 --> 00:29:26,611
certain beyond that I don't know

917
00:29:28,363 --> 00:29:28,613
because those plans haven't yet

918
00:29:29,097 --> 00:29:29,347
taken shape. as I mentioned

919
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:31,049
in my slides we're currently in

920
00:29:32,801 --> 00:29:33,051
our listening phase to figure

921
00:29:34,836 --> 00:29:35,086
out what the community would

922
00:29:37,072 --> 00:29:37,322
like to see in that space and

923
00:29:38,707 --> 00:29:38,957
how google can accommodate those

924
00:29:39,374 --> 00:29:39,624
needs

925
00:29:44,546 --> 00:29:44,796
ask course go right ahead yes so

926
00:29:46,815 --> 00:29:47,065
in the sweet home community who

927
00:29:47,449 --> 00:29:47,699
have you spoken with in the

928
00:29:48,016 --> 00:29:48,266
community?

929
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:52,870
so my job as an energy market

930
00:29:54,322 --> 00:29:54,572
development so I am primarily

931
00:29:56,358 --> 00:29:56,608
tasked with our regulatory

932
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:58,610
relationships and working on our

933
00:29:59,094 --> 00:29:59,344
our power acquisition with

934
00:30:02,364 --> 00:30:02,614
entergy we have a public affairs

935
00:30:03,098 --> 00:30:03,348
team we have a community

936
00:30:04,899 --> 00:30:05,149
development team and those are

937
00:30:06,601 --> 00:30:06,851
the folks who are typically on

938
00:30:08,536 --> 00:30:08,786
the ground speaking with

939
00:30:09,304 --> 00:30:09,554
community members and getting

940
00:30:10,638 --> 00:30:10,888
their viewpoints

941
00:30:16,444 --> 00:30:16,694
one more

942
00:30:20,582 --> 00:30:20,832
so when you

943
00:30:23,084 --> 00:30:23,334
so how does that work after you

944
00:30:26,588 --> 00:30:26,838
get everything start building

945
00:30:28,823 --> 00:30:29,073
are you going to start acBA or

946
00:30:30,558 --> 00:30:30,808
do you start a CBA before you

947
00:30:31,226 --> 00:30:31,476
start building the

948
00:30:34,396 --> 00:30:34,646
data center? how does that work?

949
00:30:36,364 --> 00:30:36,614
Typically it's before we start

950
00:30:37,065 --> 00:30:37,315
building we would at least enter

951
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:39,350
into discussions with the

952
00:30:40,802 --> 00:30:41,052
relevant folks to determine what

953
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:42,820
those community benefits are

954
00:30:44,806 --> 00:30:45,056
going to look like and then

955
00:30:46,541 --> 00:30:46,791
it would absolutely be in place

956
00:30:48,343 --> 00:30:48,593
by the time the data center is

957
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:49,360
constructed but you know

958
00:30:51,112 --> 00:30:51,362
depending on the the length of

959
00:30:54,349 --> 00:30:54,599
those discussions you know it

960
00:30:55,083 --> 00:30:55,333
could progress alongside the

961
00:30:57,085 --> 00:30:57,335
construction timeline and I

962
00:30:59,320 --> 00:30:59,570
would just like to be kept

963
00:31:00,889 --> 00:31:01,139
apprised of that when you start

964
00:31:01,556 --> 00:31:01,806
doing that thank you

965
00:31:06,795 --> 00:31:07,045
thank youpresentative Bennett

966
00:31:07,429 --> 00:31:07,679
uhpresentative macgruder

967
00:31:12,567 --> 00:31:12,817
who represents west memphis you

968
00:31:14,469 --> 00:31:14,719
recognize Mcgrew he saidmcgrew

969
00:31:15,136 --> 00:31:15,386
there

970
00:31:20,575 --> 00:31:20,825
thank you Mr chair for allowing

971
00:31:22,577 --> 00:31:22,827
me to ask a question being

972
00:31:24,579 --> 00:31:24,829
that I'm not on this committee,

973
00:31:26,581 --> 00:31:26,831
I have three questions if

974
00:31:28,383 --> 00:31:28,633
that's OK Mr Chair just just

975
00:31:29,117 --> 00:31:29,367
shoot him yes sir thank you so

976
00:31:32,620 --> 00:31:32,870
much. my first question is

977
00:31:34,322 --> 00:31:34,572
well first the statement thank

978
00:31:35,123 --> 00:31:35,373
you for the $4 billion

979
00:31:37,092 --> 00:31:37,342
investment in Crittenon County

980
00:31:38,593 --> 00:31:38,843
being that I am a resident of

981
00:31:40,829 --> 00:31:41,079
Critan County. I do have a

982
00:31:42,897 --> 00:31:43,147
concern because you said

983
00:31:44,632 --> 00:31:44,882
there are areas that you all

984
00:31:46,568 --> 00:31:46,818
have started plants or gotten

985
00:31:47,235 --> 00:31:47,485
one going and then you had to

986
00:31:47,902 --> 00:31:48,152
shut down because

987
00:31:49,671 --> 00:31:49,921
it wasn't feasible

988
00:31:53,041 --> 00:31:53,291
No I'm sorry and I apologize if

989
00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:55,259
I misspoke that was a kind of a

990
00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:58,830
rhetorical statement if we

991
00:32:01,049 --> 00:32:01,299
were to exit a particular market

992
00:32:02,584 --> 00:32:02,834
customers would still be

993
00:32:04,352 --> 00:32:04,602
protected based on the

994
00:32:05,053 --> 00:32:05,303
provisions that are in our

995
00:32:08,556 --> 00:32:08,806
contract Google has never left a

996
00:32:10,358 --> 00:32:10,608
data center community Our

997
00:32:10,959 --> 00:32:11,209
earliest data centers were

998
00:32:12,794 --> 00:32:13,044
constructed in 2007 and those

999
00:32:14,662 --> 00:32:14,912
data centers are still at the

1000
00:32:16,631 --> 00:32:16,881
same level of capacity they were

1001
00:32:18,366 --> 00:32:18,616
when we constructed them and

1002
00:32:18,967 --> 00:32:19,217
many of them have actually been

1003
00:32:19,601 --> 00:32:19,851
expanded

1004
00:32:24,572 --> 00:32:24,822
my next question is again about

1005
00:32:25,306 --> 00:32:25,556
Qritan County

1006
00:32:28,610 --> 00:32:28,860
how many employees do we

1007
00:32:29,110 --> 00:32:29,360
anticipate that will be

1008
00:32:32,347 --> 00:32:32,597
from Krittenney County or live

1009
00:32:33,014 --> 00:32:33,264
inrittenney County at this

1010
00:32:34,849 --> 00:32:35,099
facility. I don't have that

1011
00:32:36,618 --> 00:32:36,868
number off the top of my head

1012
00:32:38,620 --> 00:32:38,870
but we like to hire locally and

1013
00:32:40,622 --> 00:32:40,872
that is our preference so as

1014
00:32:42,323 --> 00:32:42,573
many folks from Crittenon County

1015
00:32:43,024 --> 00:32:43,274
who would like to work for

1016
00:32:44,626 --> 00:32:44,876
Google, I think we're happy to

1017
00:32:45,293 --> 00:32:45,543
take them

1018
00:32:49,097 --> 00:32:49,347
thank you so much and my last

1019
00:32:49,697 --> 00:32:49,947
question Mr Chair

1020
00:32:53,034 --> 00:32:53,284
Critan County I heard you

1021
00:32:56,304 --> 00:32:56,554
speak about the investment of5

1022
00:32:57,272 --> 00:32:57,522
million dollars a year over five

1023
00:32:59,007 --> 00:32:59,257
years which is a total of $25

1024
00:33:01,009 --> 00:33:01,259
million in Critan County

1025
00:33:05,013 --> 00:33:05,263
are we allowing anybody in

1026
00:33:07,048 --> 00:33:07,298
Qritan County or they're just

1027
00:33:09,050 --> 00:33:09,300
focused on one area in Qutney

1028
00:33:10,351 --> 00:33:10,601
County. It is anyone in

1029
00:33:12,353 --> 00:33:12,603
Crittenon County it is focused

1030
00:33:14,589 --> 00:33:14,839
on low income residents and so

1031
00:33:16,357 --> 00:33:16,607
groundu the the partners that I

1032
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:18,609
mentioned Groundswell ICF and

1033
00:33:19,093 --> 00:33:19,343
Crowley'sridge Development

1034
00:33:19,661 --> 00:33:19,911
Council have been working

1035
00:33:20,195 --> 00:33:20,445
together

1036
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:24,849
to create ways to spread the

1037
00:33:26,334 --> 00:33:26,584
word about the program and

1038
00:33:28,803 --> 00:33:29,053
create intake forms. I think

1039
00:33:30,805 --> 00:33:31,055
there's actually a website where

1040
00:33:32,540 --> 00:33:32,790
people can enter their name,

1041
00:33:35,009 --> 00:33:35,259
their address into into that

1042
00:33:38,346 --> 00:33:38,596
site and be put on a list for a

1043
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:39,330
visit to talk about the

1044
00:33:40,615 --> 00:33:40,865
potential for these health and

1045
00:33:41,316 --> 00:33:41,566
safety repairs and

1046
00:33:43,084 --> 00:33:43,334
weatherization services well if

1047
00:33:44,819 --> 00:33:45,069
possible Miss Wilson can you

1048
00:33:46,821 --> 00:33:47,071
share that information with

1049
00:33:48,856 --> 00:33:49,106
the committee so that we can

1050
00:33:49,457 --> 00:33:49,707
make sure we pass it on to the

1051
00:33:50,124 --> 00:33:50,374
residents of Crindon

1052
00:33:51,593 --> 00:33:51,843
County.

1053
00:33:52,894 --> 00:33:53,144
thank you so much to

1054
00:33:53,361 --> 00:33:53,611
you

1055
00:33:56,598 --> 00:33:56,848
thank youpresentative McGruder

1056
00:33:57,232 --> 00:33:57,482
uhpresentative Barnett

1057
00:33:58,833 --> 00:33:59,083
you're recognized

1058
00:34:07,241 --> 00:34:07,491
Thank you chair

1059
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:11,329
Hi Miss Wilson thank you for

1060
00:34:13,081 --> 00:34:13,331
coming and sharing with us of

1061
00:34:16,818 --> 00:34:17,068
your presentation. I do have a

1062
00:34:17,485 --> 00:34:17,735
question

1063
00:34:19,354 --> 00:34:19,604
really one of clarification. I

1064
00:34:20,888 --> 00:34:21,138
know that you spoke about the

1065
00:34:23,124 --> 00:34:23,374
West memphisnergympactund which

1066
00:34:26,594 --> 00:34:26,844
is approximately $25 million.

1067
00:34:28,863 --> 00:34:29,113
a few months ago there was an

1068
00:34:30,898 --> 00:34:31,148
announcement regarding the

1069
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:32,850
greater west memphis Energy

1070
00:34:34,602 --> 00:34:34,852
Affordability Fund which was

1071
00:34:37,338 --> 00:34:37,588
another one.25 million so are

1072
00:34:38,006 --> 00:34:38,256
those two separate

1073
00:34:44,545 --> 00:34:44,795
things and greater west memphis

1074
00:34:48,383 --> 00:34:48,633
fund is part of that west

1075
00:34:50,852 --> 00:34:51,102
memphis umgy impact fund and it

1076
00:34:53,054 --> 00:34:53,304
is a carve out of that 1.25

1077
00:34:55,356 --> 00:34:55,606
million that is meant to

1078
00:34:56,658 --> 00:34:56,908
be

1079
00:35:00,361 --> 00:35:00,611
allocated by members of the

1080
00:35:02,597 --> 00:35:02,847
community and so we assembled an

1081
00:35:04,832 --> 00:35:05,082
advisory board of local folks

1082
00:35:07,068 --> 00:35:07,318
who are taking applications

1083
00:35:10,338 --> 00:35:10,588
for different energy projects

1084
00:35:11,139 --> 00:35:11,389
and they're making a decision

1085
00:35:14,609 --> 00:35:14,859
about how to allocate that $1.25

1086
00:35:16,611 --> 00:35:16,861
million within the community. OK

1087
00:35:17,378 --> 00:35:17,628
and as it relates to the

1088
00:35:19,113 --> 00:35:19,363
composition of that board I know

1089
00:35:20,581 --> 00:35:20,831
we had a previous email on

1090
00:35:22,583 --> 00:35:22,833
May2nd where we talked about

1091
00:35:26,354 --> 00:35:26,604
there being 80% of that board

1092
00:35:26,988 --> 00:35:27,238
makeup from Crittenon County in

1093
00:35:27,655 --> 00:35:27,905
west Memphis

1094
00:35:30,825 --> 00:35:31,075
and then there's 20% that is

1095
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:33,110
from Memphis and Shelby County

1096
00:35:35,363 --> 00:35:35,613
and could you provide

1097
00:35:38,366 --> 00:35:38,616
explanation as to why that 20%

1098
00:35:40,601 --> 00:35:40,851
is for Memphis and Shelby

1099
00:35:42,337 --> 00:35:42,587
County. So there are

1100
00:35:43,104 --> 00:35:43,354
organizations in Memphis are

1101
00:35:45,073 --> 00:35:45,323
also invited to apply for

1102
00:35:48,609 --> 00:35:48,859
funding and so because those

1103
00:35:50,578 --> 00:35:50,828
organizations could potentially

1104
00:35:52,847 --> 00:35:53,097
ask to be grant recipients

1105
00:35:54,849 --> 00:35:55,099
then we thought it wise to

1106
00:35:56,584 --> 00:35:56,834
include representatives from

1107
00:35:57,185 --> 00:35:57,435
Memphis as part of the board

1108
00:36:00,822 --> 00:36:01,072
I have seen the applications

1109
00:36:02,857 --> 00:36:03,107
and I cannot recall if anyone

1110
00:36:04,826 --> 00:36:05,076
from any organization in Memphis

1111
00:36:06,861 --> 00:36:07,111
opted to apply at this time but

1112
00:36:09,130 --> 00:36:09,380
that is an option for funding

1113
00:36:09,831 --> 00:36:10,081
if people so chose

1114
00:36:14,602 --> 00:36:14,852
has been given to

1115
00:36:15,036 --> 00:36:15,286
allow

1116
00:36:19,006 --> 00:36:19,256
other counties in Arkansas to

1117
00:36:22,343 --> 00:36:22,593
apply and primarily because you

1118
00:36:24,612 --> 00:36:24,862
are developing in west

1119
00:36:26,581 --> 00:36:26,831
memphis and west memphis

1120
00:36:27,181 --> 00:36:27,431
school district is actually a

1121
00:36:30,318 --> 00:36:30,568
dual county school district and

1122
00:36:32,553 --> 00:36:32,803
so what Saint Francis County for

1123
00:36:34,355 --> 00:36:34,605
instance with someone

1124
00:36:36,357 --> 00:36:36,607
communities from that county be

1125
00:36:38,593 --> 00:36:38,843
able to apply for that

1126
00:36:40,595 --> 00:36:40,845
particular fund. I think we view

1127
00:36:42,597 --> 00:36:42,847
this this affordability fund

1128
00:36:44,465 --> 00:36:44,715
as a starting point and we would

1129
00:36:45,133 --> 00:36:45,383
love to be able

1130
00:36:48,302 --> 00:36:48,552
to expand our footprint to

1131
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,489
include more counties with I

1132
00:36:52,807 --> 00:36:53,057
mentioned an additional5 million

1133
00:36:54,575 --> 00:36:54,825
dollars that had come as part of

1134
00:36:56,544 --> 00:36:56,794
the Steeriver project

1135
00:36:59,113 --> 00:36:59,363
announcement so because that

1136
00:37:00,815 --> 00:37:01,065
project is located in

1137
00:37:02,583 --> 00:37:02,833
Mississippi County a portion of

1138
00:37:03,284 --> 00:37:03,534
that5 million dollars is going

1139
00:37:05,052 --> 00:37:05,302
to weatherization in that county

1140
00:37:08,356 --> 00:37:08,606
and then as another component of

1141
00:37:10,591 --> 00:37:10,841
that fund we also created a fund

1142
00:37:12,593 --> 00:37:12,843
for Arkansas schools and so that

1143
00:37:14,495 --> 00:37:14,745
is intended to serve the

1144
00:37:15,029 --> 00:37:15,279
rivercre

1145
00:37:18,566 --> 00:37:18,816
s t school district but also the

1146
00:37:19,267 --> 00:37:19,517
littlettleRock school district

1147
00:37:20,802 --> 00:37:21,052
and the pulaski Countypecial

1148
00:37:22,804 --> 00:37:23,054
school district so we are doing

1149
00:37:26,340 --> 00:37:26,590
a slow expansion and I just ask

1150
00:37:28,576 --> 00:37:28,826
for your patience and support

1151
00:37:31,045 --> 00:37:31,295
as we roll that out. OK and 11

1152
00:37:32,713 --> 00:37:32,963
last quick question yes sir. So

1153
00:37:38,619 --> 00:37:38,869
I thank you for sharing earlier

1154
00:37:41,088 --> 00:37:41,338
a clarification on as it relates

1155
00:37:42,890 --> 00:37:43,140
to these weatherization grants

1156
00:37:45,092 --> 00:37:45,342
and that they do include

1157
00:37:48,596 --> 00:37:48,846
Crittin County residents outside

1158
00:37:50,565 --> 00:37:50,815
of West Memphis because I was

1159
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:52,850
at a meeting where I asked that

1160
00:37:54,335 --> 00:37:54,585
particular question of a city

1161
00:37:55,136 --> 00:37:55,386
official and a primarily told me

1162
00:37:57,071 --> 00:37:57,321
that it was going to benefit

1163
00:37:59,073 --> 00:37:59,323
those that were in West Memphis.

1164
00:38:01,108 --> 00:38:01,358
so one thing that I would like

1165
00:38:02,844 --> 00:38:03,094
to know is it possible to get a

1166
00:38:04,912 --> 00:38:05,162
percentage of those that have

1167
00:38:05,613 --> 00:38:05,863
applied through the West memphis

1168
00:38:08,783 --> 00:38:09,033
Energympact Fund, what

1169
00:38:10,785 --> 00:38:11,035
percentage of those applicants

1170
00:38:13,254 --> 00:38:13,504
that will be awarded are from

1171
00:38:15,056 --> 00:38:15,306
the city of West Memphis and or

1172
00:38:18,359 --> 00:38:18,609
rural Crittenon County and I ask

1173
00:38:20,361 --> 00:38:20,611
that because the data center

1174
00:38:22,597 --> 00:38:22,847
development is pretty close to a

1175
00:38:24,866 --> 00:38:25,116
rural unincorporated community

1176
00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:26,817
and I know some of those

1177
00:38:28,603 --> 00:38:28,853
residents have concerns they

1178
00:38:31,072 --> 00:38:31,322
also would like to meet with

1179
00:38:32,607 --> 00:38:32,857
Google so that they can get

1180
00:38:33,207 --> 00:38:33,457
their answers

1181
00:38:36,344 --> 00:38:36,594
to their questions answered

1182
00:38:38,346 --> 00:38:38,596
directly and so I I just kind of

1183
00:38:39,113 --> 00:38:39,363
wanted to know if you could

1184
00:38:40,815 --> 00:38:41,065
speak to that any Yes I'm happy

1185
00:38:42,550 --> 00:38:42,800
to get you those numbers. What I

1186
00:38:44,552 --> 00:38:44,802
will say in advance of providing

1187
00:38:46,787 --> 00:38:47,037
them is that the different

1188
00:38:47,388 --> 00:38:47,638
organizations that we've

1189
00:38:49,090 --> 00:38:49,340
partnered with are covering

1190
00:38:51,092 --> 00:38:51,342
different parts of either

1191
00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:53,110
Crittenon County or West

1192
00:38:56,330 --> 00:38:56,580
Memphis.roundswell has been very

1193
00:38:57,098 --> 00:38:57,348
quick to

1194
00:39:00,835 --> 00:39:01,085
start providing services I'll

1195
00:39:02,603 --> 00:39:02,853
say as I mentioned they've

1196
00:39:04,372 --> 00:39:04,622
already done40 houses they have

1197
00:39:06,307 --> 00:39:06,557
a 250 household waiting list at

1198
00:39:08,843 --> 00:39:09,093
this point other partners who

1199
00:39:10,845 --> 00:39:11,095
serve areas outside West Memphis

1200
00:39:12,580 --> 00:39:12,830
haven't been quite so quick to

1201
00:39:14,815 --> 00:39:15,065
roll out their services and so

1202
00:39:17,084 --> 00:39:17,334
again those numbers may look

1203
00:39:20,354 --> 00:39:20,604
a little skewed at this point

1204
00:39:22,356 --> 00:39:22,606
but we're expecting that as soon

1205
00:39:24,392 --> 00:39:24,642
as the funds have been deployed

1206
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:25,409
to their fullest extent that

1207
00:39:26,861 --> 00:39:27,111
will bring those other numbers

1208
00:39:27,595 --> 00:39:27,845
up to the same standard

1209
00:39:30,865 --> 00:39:31,115
if you could get us that

1210
00:39:32,633 --> 00:39:32,883
percentage breakdown I would

1211
00:39:34,769 --> 00:39:35,019
appreciate that please provide

1212
00:39:36,804 --> 00:39:37,054
that to the committee M Wilson

1213
00:39:38,573 --> 00:39:38,823
and we'll see a point of contact

1214
00:39:39,307 --> 00:39:39,557
for that we'll see

1215
00:39:40,841 --> 00:39:41,091
thatpresentative barnett gets it

1216
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:43,060
as long and I'm sure it'll spark

1217
00:39:43,511 --> 00:39:43,761
some interest with others if

1218
00:39:44,845 --> 00:39:45,095
you'll just share that

1219
00:39:46,347 --> 00:39:46,597
information with the committee

1220
00:39:47,081 --> 00:39:47,331
and I understand this is this is

1221
00:39:50,351 --> 00:39:50,601
an ongoing fund this is not a

1222
00:39:52,587 --> 00:39:52,837
snapshot this will be a a long

1223
00:39:53,220 --> 00:39:53,470
term thing but if you could give

1224
00:39:55,089 --> 00:39:55,339
us a a snapshot of maybe where

1225
00:39:56,891 --> 00:39:57,141
we are this month and I'm

1226
00:39:57,491 --> 00:39:57,741
sure that would please the

1227
00:39:58,025 --> 00:39:58,275
people

1228
00:40:00,628 --> 00:40:00,878
over in that area to know that

1229
00:40:01,329 --> 00:40:01,579
yes definitely thank you

1230
00:40:02,830 --> 00:40:03,080
Representative Barnett

1231
00:40:03,364 --> 00:40:03,614
Representative Joey Carr you

1232
00:40:04,031 --> 00:40:04,281
recognized

1233
00:40:08,769 --> 00:40:09,019
thank you Mr chairir just a

1234
00:40:10,571 --> 00:40:10,821
quick question you said that

1235
00:40:12,573 --> 00:40:12,823
it was a 20 year contract

1236
00:40:14,775 --> 00:40:15,025
with entergy yes what's the

1237
00:40:16,811 --> 00:40:17,061
expected longevity on the on the

1238
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:19,330
center in at the end of whatever

1239
00:40:20,615 --> 00:40:20,865
its life is what what happens

1240
00:40:21,248 --> 00:40:21,498
then

1241
00:40:24,352 --> 00:40:24,602
I don't know because it's never

1242
00:40:25,052 --> 00:40:25,302
we've never come to an end of

1243
00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:28,606
life for a data center yet in

1244
00:40:29,023 --> 00:40:29,273
addition to the twentyy year

1245
00:40:31,092 --> 00:40:31,342
contract period if we don't say

1246
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:33,110
that we want to terminate that

1247
00:40:34,328 --> 00:40:34,578
contract it will automatically

1248
00:40:36,364 --> 00:40:36,614
renew for an additional term

1249
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:38,849
you know until Google says we're

1250
00:40:40,801 --> 00:40:41,051
ready for this to end and we've

1251
00:40:43,004 --> 00:40:43,254
not done that in a community yet

1252
00:40:45,039 --> 00:40:45,289
so I don't have any concrete

1253
00:40:47,041 --> 00:40:47,291
examples to point to. I would

1254
00:40:50,344 --> 00:40:50,594
expect that like anything

1255
00:40:50,911 --> 00:40:51,161
that's decommissioned we would

1256
00:40:51,579 --> 00:40:51,829
seek to do that

1257
00:40:54,348 --> 00:40:54,598
in a responsible way that is

1258
00:40:55,182 --> 00:40:55,432
responsive to the needs of the

1259
00:40:55,816 --> 00:40:56,066
community in which we're in.

1260
00:40:58,452 --> 00:40:58,702
thank you thank you Mr chairir.

1261
00:41:00,688 --> 00:41:00,938
thank you sir

1262
00:41:03,090 --> 00:41:03,340
p re s ent ative m c g re w

1263
00:41:03,658 --> 00:41:03,908
you're recognized

1264
00:41:04,792 --> 00:41:05,042
thank you miss chairman

1265
00:41:08,329 --> 00:41:08,579
and thank you for being here and

1266
00:41:10,364 --> 00:41:10,614
sharing with us today on the

1267
00:41:12,566 --> 00:41:12,816
with the demand of of power

1268
00:41:14,335 --> 00:41:14,585
going up in Arkansas pretty

1269
00:41:16,303 --> 00:41:16,553
drastically now is there any

1270
00:41:17,038 --> 00:41:17,288
ability I know that your load is

1271
00:41:20,775 --> 00:41:21,025
pretty standard and stays on if

1272
00:41:23,010 --> 00:41:23,260
if in the ability that some load

1273
00:41:24,845 --> 00:41:25,095
needs to be shed because of a

1274
00:41:27,048 --> 00:41:27,298
demand that hits is their

1275
00:41:29,116 --> 00:41:29,366
ability within Google to shed

1276
00:41:29,784 --> 00:41:30,034
some of that load

1277
00:41:32,787 --> 00:41:33,037
and that is a part of those

1278
00:41:34,555 --> 00:41:34,805
demand response provisions that

1279
00:41:35,256 --> 00:41:35,506
we have with entergy that I

1280
00:41:37,091 --> 00:41:37,341
mentioned at west memphis so in

1281
00:41:40,594 --> 00:41:40,844
the event of a grid stress

1282
00:41:42,596 --> 00:41:42,846
period Google will agree if

1283
00:41:44,565 --> 00:41:44,815
called upon to reduce our load

1284
00:41:46,300 --> 00:41:46,550
for a certain number of hours

1285
00:41:48,302 --> 00:41:48,552
for a certain number of events

1286
00:41:50,371 --> 00:41:50,621
per year. We are also looking at

1287
00:41:52,339 --> 00:41:52,589
potentially in the future

1288
00:41:54,341 --> 00:41:54,591
implementing distributed

1289
00:41:56,577 --> 00:41:56,827
solutions so that could be

1290
00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:58,829
additional energy efficiency. it

1291
00:41:59,313 --> 00:41:59,563
could be a battery storage

1292
00:42:02,783 --> 00:42:03,033
residential households and so

1293
00:42:04,819 --> 00:42:05,069
there are a number of ways that

1294
00:42:07,021 --> 00:42:07,271
one can either reduce demand or

1295
00:42:09,090 --> 00:42:09,340
add capacity to alleviate that

1296
00:42:10,825 --> 00:42:11,075
grid stress and we're looking at

1297
00:42:11,492 --> 00:42:11,742
all of the options thank you

1298
00:42:16,330 --> 00:42:16,580
thank you Representative Mcgreg

1299
00:42:18,332 --> 00:42:18,582
Representative Torriess you

1300
00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:19,350
recognize yes thank you Mr

1301
00:42:21,035 --> 00:42:21,285
Chair. Just one quick clarifying

1302
00:42:23,003 --> 00:42:23,253
question you had mentioned

1303
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:25,289
infrastructure and who pays for

1304
00:42:26,807 --> 00:42:27,057
it and I think you said

1305
00:42:29,043 --> 00:42:29,293
generation and transmission is a

1306
00:42:31,045 --> 00:42:31,295
part of that what about

1307
00:42:32,847 --> 00:42:33,097
substations or distribution

1308
00:42:36,350 --> 00:42:36,600
would lump that into the

1309
00:42:37,017 --> 00:42:37,267
transmission infrastructure

1310
00:42:40,354 --> 00:42:40,604
component and so for the

1311
00:42:41,055 --> 00:42:41,305
substation that was needed at

1312
00:42:42,857 --> 00:42:43,107
west memphis google that was

1313
00:42:44,358 --> 00:42:44,608
included in the payment that

1314
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:46,610
Google made for the transit

1315
00:42:48,629 --> 00:42:48,879
transmission component

1316
00:42:49,163 --> 00:42:49,413
thank you so much youg thank you

1317
00:42:54,368 --> 00:42:54,618
with with no well I think

1318
00:42:56,637 --> 00:42:56,887
you did get back in the queue

1319
00:42:57,238 --> 00:42:57,488
Representative beck you're

1320
00:42:57,772 --> 00:42:58,022
recognized

1321
00:43:01,075 --> 00:43:01,325
and he's an engineer he didn't

1322
00:43:04,345 --> 00:43:04,595
get pickup I am not but I wish I

1323
00:43:05,045 --> 00:43:05,295
was thank you and

1324
00:43:07,047 --> 00:43:07,297
and please don't take these

1325
00:43:08,783 --> 00:43:09,033
questions as a negative because

1326
00:43:11,051 --> 00:43:11,301
I I do believe you know the data

1327
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:13,270
centers I I think we support

1328
00:43:15,022 --> 00:43:15,272
them and I do I do support them

1329
00:43:18,359 --> 00:43:18,609
but I am concerned about this

1330
00:43:20,628 --> 00:43:20,878
demand agreement and I'm really

1331
00:43:23,097 --> 00:43:23,347
the the 100 hours a year you

1332
00:43:25,132 --> 00:43:25,382
know we had winter storm Yuri

1333
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:26,950
that would have exceeded that

1334
00:43:30,371 --> 00:43:30,621
time period and that would have

1335
00:43:31,105 --> 00:43:31,355
been a you know and I'm just

1336
00:43:32,873 --> 00:43:33,123
saying that would have been a

1337
00:43:33,474 --> 00:43:33,724
time when we needed power

1338
00:43:35,009 --> 00:43:35,259
and

1339
00:43:38,379 --> 00:43:38,629
google's own contract would have

1340
00:43:39,113 --> 00:43:39,363
said ok we we we did our

1341
00:43:42,416 --> 00:43:42,666
four days and a few hours and

1342
00:43:43,083 --> 00:43:43,333
we're back

1343
00:43:48,389 --> 00:43:48,639
I I'm just concerned about the

1344
00:43:50,624 --> 00:43:50,874
length of that other than that I

1345
00:43:52,626 --> 00:43:52,876
sounds like you guys are doing a

1346
00:43:54,361 --> 00:43:54,611
dynamite job at making sure

1347
00:43:55,095 --> 00:43:55,345
everything's all right but but

1348
00:43:57,398 --> 00:43:57,648
we've just seen that here and

1349
00:43:59,166 --> 00:43:59,416
we just don't want to and by the

1350
00:44:00,668 --> 00:44:00,918
way I got the information

1351
00:44:01,268 --> 00:44:01,518
googleling it I saw

1352
00:44:04,872 --> 00:44:05,122
so thank you very much for

1353
00:44:06,841 --> 00:44:07,091
coming and talking with us but I

1354
00:44:09,076 --> 00:44:09,326
do have a concern about that I

1355
00:44:10,811 --> 00:44:11,061
think there are a number of ways

1356
00:44:13,314 --> 00:44:13,564
to address reliability and in

1357
00:44:15,149 --> 00:44:15,399
the in light of winter storm

1358
00:44:18,886 --> 00:44:19,136
Yuri the utilities are exploring

1359
00:44:20,654 --> 00:44:20,904
all of those avenues so

1360
00:44:23,123 --> 00:44:23,373
adding capacity hardening the

1361
00:44:26,393 --> 00:44:26,643
grid adding capacity at

1362
00:44:28,362 --> 00:44:28,612
specific sites is helpfulman

1363
00:44:30,364 --> 00:44:30,614
response not just from Google

1364
00:44:31,232 --> 00:44:31,482
but from other large industrial

1365
00:44:31,899 --> 00:44:32,149
customers is

1366
00:44:34,835 --> 00:44:35,085
going to be essential and so

1367
00:44:37,071 --> 00:44:37,321
in a an event of a winter

1368
00:44:39,139 --> 00:44:39,389
stormuri you really need to call

1369
00:44:42,343 --> 00:44:42,593
on all of those solutions to be

1370
00:44:43,344 --> 00:44:43,594
able to ride through that event

1371
00:44:46,881 --> 00:44:47,131
they are few but they can be

1372
00:44:50,351 --> 00:44:50,601
catastrophic if we don't respond

1373
00:44:51,051 --> 00:44:51,301
to them in the right way and

1374
00:44:53,187 --> 00:44:53,437
so I think entergy is like its

1375
00:44:55,155 --> 00:44:55,405
other utility partners looking

1376
00:44:57,124 --> 00:44:57,374
to explore all of those avenues

1377
00:44:58,859 --> 00:44:59,109
connecting with its neighboring

1378
00:45:01,028 --> 00:45:01,278
utilities to be able to share

1379
00:45:01,695 --> 00:45:01,945
power

1380
00:45:04,565 --> 00:45:04,815
when an event like that hits the

1381
00:45:06,333 --> 00:45:06,583
grid to avoid some of those

1382
00:45:06,934 --> 00:45:07,184
impacts that we've seen

1383
00:45:08,769 --> 00:45:09,019
historically from those winter

1384
00:45:09,436 --> 00:45:09,686
storm events

1385
00:45:12,873 --> 00:45:13,123
thank you for answering that

1386
00:45:13,540 --> 00:45:13,790
question I

1387
00:45:16,543 --> 00:45:16,793
I appreciate Representative

1388
00:45:18,579 --> 00:45:18,829
Beck is he's one of our more

1389
00:45:20,581 --> 00:45:20,831
technically oriented members and

1390
00:45:21,315 --> 00:45:21,565
his former co-chair so you've

1391
00:45:22,850 --> 00:45:23,100
got a lot of tools in the

1392
00:45:24,618 --> 00:45:24,868
toolbox he's got he's got all

1393
00:45:26,654 --> 00:45:26,904
that M Wilson any final

1394
00:45:27,221 --> 00:45:27,471
thoughts

1395
00:45:30,858 --> 00:45:31,108
just that Senator Mcee was right

1396
00:45:32,593 --> 00:45:32,843
and that I do have to head to

1397
00:45:34,361 --> 00:45:34,611
the airport shortly after this

1398
00:45:35,095 --> 00:45:35,345
but I'm happy to respond to

1399
00:45:36,864 --> 00:45:37,114
additional questions if there

1400
00:45:38,899 --> 00:45:39,149
are any and we've noted the

1401
00:45:40,601 --> 00:45:40,851
questions that were asked today

1402
00:45:41,235 --> 00:45:41,485
that require a response to the

1403
00:45:42,603 --> 00:45:42,853
committee and I'm happy to

1404
00:45:44,338 --> 00:45:44,588
provide those as quickly as I

1405
00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:46,590
can. thank you you were very

1406
00:45:48,609 --> 00:45:48,859
informative witness and we

1407
00:45:50,344 --> 00:45:50,594
may very well be taking you up

1408
00:45:51,111 --> 00:45:51,361
on additional information would

1409
00:45:52,613 --> 00:45:52,863
love to continue the

1410
00:45:53,113 --> 00:45:53,363
conversation and thank you so

1411
00:45:54,648 --> 00:45:54,898
much for having me today you

1412
00:46:00,854 --> 00:46:01,104
next we'll move to item C2

1413
00:46:03,324 --> 00:46:03,574
west memphis we have

1414
00:46:04,825 --> 00:46:05,075
mayyor McClendon was not able to

1415
00:46:08,595 --> 00:46:08,845
be here today Mr Bobby Atkins

1416
00:46:09,229 --> 00:46:09,479
who's a general manager of West

1417
00:46:12,900 --> 00:46:13,150
Memphis Utilities and Mr Eric

1418
00:46:14,368 --> 00:46:14,618
forrester who's superintendent

1419
00:46:14,969 --> 00:46:15,219
of West Memphis School District

1420
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:16,720
if y'all both come to the table

1421
00:46:17,171 --> 00:46:17,421
please

1422
00:46:20,474 --> 00:46:20,724
and Erio get you all set up

1423
00:46:21,041 --> 00:46:21,291
and

1424
00:46:24,478 --> 00:46:24,728
the same same

1425
00:46:29,183 --> 00:46:29,433
routine just you will identify

1426
00:46:30,851 --> 00:46:31,101
yourselves the record and then I

1427
00:46:31,585 --> 00:46:31,835
will recognize you one at a time

1428
00:46:48,335 --> 00:46:48,585
Thank you Mr Chairman for the

1429
00:46:49,103 --> 00:46:49,353
opportunity to be here please

1430
00:46:50,838 --> 00:46:51,088
identify yourself for the record

1431
00:46:52,373 --> 00:46:52,623
so my name's Eric Foister. I'm

1432
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:53,390
the superintendent of schools of

1433
00:46:54,641 --> 00:46:54,891
West Memphis and

1434
00:46:58,445 --> 00:46:58,695
Mr Atkins please do the same

1435
00:47:02,383 --> 00:47:02,633
yes good afternoon my name is

1436
00:47:03,017 --> 00:47:03,267
Bob atkins. I'm the general

1437
00:47:04,385 --> 00:47:04,635
manager of West memphis

1438
00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:06,870
Utilities. thank you Now your

1439
00:47:08,622 --> 00:47:08,872
first on the list Mroster so

1440
00:47:10,591 --> 00:47:10,841
we'll just let you go first so

1441
00:47:12,826 --> 00:47:13,076
I'm here because I'm in the

1442
00:47:15,162 --> 00:47:15,412
kid business and my job is to

1443
00:47:18,399 --> 00:47:18,649
ensure the education of our

1444
00:47:20,367 --> 00:47:20,617
of our youth and as we know

1445
00:47:21,135 --> 00:47:21,385
we're at the forefront of

1446
00:47:21,668 --> 00:47:21,918
education with AI

1447
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:26,890
and so I have to figure out ways

1448
00:47:28,842 --> 00:47:29,092
to not only educate students but

1449
00:47:30,677 --> 00:47:30,927
educate our staff on what that

1450
00:47:31,345 --> 00:47:31,595
looks like

1451
00:47:34,615 --> 00:47:34,865
and so when I first came to west

1452
00:47:36,717 --> 00:47:36,967
memphis in December of 24 I had

1453
00:47:37,384 --> 00:47:37,634
no idea Google was coming

1454
00:47:41,321 --> 00:47:41,571
had no idea so I'm gonna talk

1455
00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:42,839
about the kid business I'm gonna

1456
00:47:43,323 --> 00:47:43,573
talk about the people business

1457
00:47:44,858 --> 00:47:45,108
because that's what my business

1458
00:47:46,860 --> 00:47:47,110
is so so I'm gonna tell a story

1459
00:47:47,528 --> 00:47:47,778
so the day after the ribbon

1460
00:47:48,095 --> 00:47:48,345
cutting

1461
00:47:51,465 --> 00:47:51,715
and she she alluded there's

1462
00:47:52,633 --> 00:47:52,883
different groups to google they

1463
00:47:54,601 --> 00:47:54,851
came and she sat across from the

1464
00:47:56,370 --> 00:47:56,620
table from me and she looks at

1465
00:47:57,004 --> 00:47:57,254
me and she goes OK what's on

1466
00:47:57,638 --> 00:47:57,888
your wish list?

1467
00:48:00,607 --> 00:48:00,857
and I had no idea what I mean I

1468
00:48:01,341 --> 00:48:01,591
mean how many people does that

1469
00:48:03,043 --> 00:48:03,293
to you right as a superintendent

1470
00:48:05,112 --> 00:48:05,362
of schools so and so I didn't

1471
00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:06,830
have really much time to think

1472
00:48:07,281 --> 00:48:07,531
but I already kind of had a

1473
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:10,600
thought that I wanted a pathway

1474
00:48:11,385 --> 00:48:11,635
for our students to go right

1475
00:48:12,853 --> 00:48:13,103
into the workforce at west

1476
00:48:14,855 --> 00:48:15,105
memphis we we have kids that's

1477
00:48:16,857 --> 00:48:17,107
almost70% of our kids do not go

1478
00:48:18,392 --> 00:48:18,642
to a two or four year college

1479
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:19,409
they go right in the workforce.

1480
00:48:20,861 --> 00:48:21,111
so it's my job to educate on

1481
00:48:22,629 --> 00:48:22,879
what they could do but it's also

1482
00:48:23,397 --> 00:48:23,647
provide opportunities so I said

1483
00:48:24,932 --> 00:48:25,182
I wanted a four year pathway

1484
00:48:26,433 --> 00:48:26,683
that when they graduate from

1485
00:48:27,034 --> 00:48:27,284
high school they could go work

1486
00:48:27,701 --> 00:48:27,951
for you in the AI and cy

1487
00:48:29,336 --> 00:48:29,586
ber se cur ity well that's come

1488
00:48:32,339 --> 00:48:32,589
to fruition so this fall we have

1489
00:48:33,107 --> 00:48:33,357
our first cohort of kids and

1490
00:48:34,808 --> 00:48:35,058
it's it's life changing for our

1491
00:48:38,345 --> 00:48:38,595
kids the opportunity

1492
00:48:40,581 --> 00:48:40,831
I'm not in the data centers I

1493
00:48:41,181 --> 00:48:41,431
couldn't even tell you who else

1494
00:48:42,883 --> 00:48:43,133
has got a data center so what I

1495
00:48:44,384 --> 00:48:44,634
could tell you who I want to

1496
00:48:44,985 --> 00:48:45,235
partner with to learn more about

1497
00:48:46,820 --> 00:48:47,070
AI and that's Google and that's

1498
00:48:49,123 --> 00:48:49,373
why I'm here and to to share the

1499
00:48:52,626 --> 00:48:52,876
experiences that we've had and

1500
00:48:53,293 --> 00:48:53,543
not only has it been life

1501
00:48:54,628 --> 00:48:54,878
changing for some of our kids

1502
00:48:55,229 --> 00:48:55,479
and with the profession I'm

1503
00:48:56,797 --> 00:48:57,047
gonna show a quick video to to

1504
00:48:57,464 --> 00:48:57,714
illust

1505
00:48:59,366 --> 00:48:59,616
rate that but it is opened up

1506
00:49:01,068 --> 00:49:01,318
doors in our community that I

1507
00:49:02,603 --> 00:49:02,853
never thought would have been

1508
00:49:04,338 --> 00:49:04,588
possible and I live inriney

1509
00:49:04,972 --> 00:49:05,222
County have lived inritney

1510
00:49:05,539 --> 00:49:05,789
County for five years.

1511
00:49:07,074 --> 00:49:07,324
so

1512
00:49:10,844 --> 00:49:11,094
we now have communications with

1513
00:49:12,613 --> 00:49:12,863
our college about hey what are

1514
00:49:14,381 --> 00:49:14,631
some other companies are coming

1515
00:49:15,115 --> 00:49:15,365
what what kind of pathways can

1516
00:49:17,117 --> 00:49:17,367
we build? she showed the graphic

1517
00:49:20,354 --> 00:49:20,604
about the jobs we need HVvac we

1518
00:49:22,356 --> 00:49:22,606
need construction that's my job

1519
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:23,640
to now provide that it's opened

1520
00:49:24,892 --> 00:49:25,142
up it's created the demand for

1521
00:49:26,894 --> 00:49:27,144
us to really focus in on

1522
00:49:28,395 --> 00:49:28,645
providing those opportunities

1523
00:49:30,397 --> 00:49:30,647
for our kids and that's my job

1524
00:49:31,198 --> 00:49:31,448
and that's that's what I'm

1525
00:49:32,933 --> 00:49:33,183
passionate about I'm very

1526
00:49:35,135 --> 00:49:35,385
proactive I I think outside

1527
00:49:35,702 --> 00:49:35,952
the box and so does Goo

1528
00:49:39,106 --> 00:49:39,356
g le and so the next thing that

1529
00:49:41,074 --> 00:49:41,324
we did we did a summer

1530
00:49:42,643 --> 00:49:42,893
program you'll see here quickly

1531
00:49:46,313 --> 00:49:46,563
to expose our kindergarten to

1532
00:49:48,615 --> 00:49:48,865
fifth grade with robotics with

1533
00:49:51,151 --> 00:49:51,401
coding and this is not my world

1534
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:53,370
so I grew up I remember I was

1535
00:49:55,122 --> 00:49:55,372
still teaching when Google came

1536
00:49:57,124 --> 00:49:57,374
out right and everybody was

1537
00:49:59,092 --> 00:49:59,342
fearful of google then, let

1538
00:50:00,894 --> 00:50:01,144
alone what it is now with the AI

1539
00:50:02,663 --> 00:50:02,913
tools that we're all most of us

1540
00:50:04,398 --> 00:50:04,648
in here use it we either

1541
00:50:06,667 --> 00:50:06,917
knowingly use it or use it for a

1542
00:50:09,136 --> 00:50:09,386
purpose so I wanna get ahead

1543
00:50:10,637 --> 00:50:10,887
of that we want to be at the

1544
00:50:11,405 --> 00:50:11,655
forefront west memphis schools

1545
00:50:12,673 --> 00:50:12,923
our community we want to be at

1546
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:13,590
the forefront of this

1547
00:50:15,142 --> 00:50:15,392
and the only way I could do this

1548
00:50:16,843 --> 00:50:17,093
is what the partnership of

1549
00:50:18,612 --> 00:50:18,862
Google and quite frankly this

1550
00:50:20,881 --> 00:50:21,131
has been a thought partner so

1551
00:50:22,616 --> 00:50:22,866
I'd really like the opportunity

1552
00:50:24,885 --> 00:50:25,135
Mr Chairman to show a quick

1553
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:26,870
video please please go ahead

1554
00:50:28,355 --> 00:50:28,605
with it as you know we started a

1555
00:50:29,022 --> 00:50:29,272
little late so I I want you to

1556
00:50:29,656 --> 00:50:29,906
be able to get that in so go

1557
00:50:30,290 --> 00:50:30,540
right ahead

1558
00:50:44,605 --> 00:50:44,855
Technology is not decreasing in

1559
00:50:46,340 --> 00:50:46,590
our lives it's it's increasing

1560
00:50:47,074 --> 00:50:47,324
in our lives so how do we make

1561
00:50:49,343 --> 00:50:49,593
sure that young people see

1562
00:50:50,877 --> 00:50:51,127
themselves as leaders even in

1563
00:50:52,879 --> 00:50:53,129
this space such that they can

1564
00:50:55,148 --> 00:50:55,398
also happen to the technology

1565
00:50:55,782 --> 00:50:56,032
instead of the technology

1566
00:50:56,350 --> 00:50:56,600
happening to them

1567
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:02,889
we're at jackson Wonder

1568
00:51:03,123 --> 00:51:03,373
Elementary School in West

1569
00:51:06,393 --> 00:51:06,643
Memphis Arkansas this is a a

1570
00:51:07,027 --> 00:51:07,277
creative innovative

1571
00:51:08,629 --> 00:51:08,879
collaboration between a

1572
00:51:10,364 --> 00:51:10,614
community organization like

1573
00:51:12,866 --> 00:51:13,116
Coderu as well as a worldclas

1574
00:51:14,334 --> 00:51:14,584
technology or company like

1575
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:16,620
Google as well as an

1576
00:51:17,137 --> 00:51:17,387
innovative school district it's

1577
00:51:19,172 --> 00:51:19,422
been a great partnership it

1578
00:51:20,641 --> 00:51:20,891
started with Google one of the

1579
00:51:21,308 --> 00:51:21,558
first things that came to me

1580
00:51:22,909 --> 00:51:23,159
literally after the ribbon

1581
00:51:24,611 --> 00:51:24,861
cutting is what's your wish list

1582
00:51:26,613 --> 00:51:26,863
you're my number one wish list

1583
00:51:28,382 --> 00:51:28,632
was for an opportunity for our

1584
00:51:29,182 --> 00:51:29,432
kids to have a pathway through

1585
00:51:29,850 --> 00:51:30,100
high school when

1586
00:51:32,653 --> 00:51:32,903
they get done with high school

1587
00:51:33,420 --> 00:51:33,670
they go right into the workforce

1588
00:51:34,855 --> 00:51:35,105
with skills that can maybe work

1589
00:51:37,124 --> 00:51:37,374
for google so to be able to code

1590
00:51:40,327 --> 00:51:40,577
in fifth grade it's actually I

1591
00:51:41,128 --> 00:51:41,378
actually really like it and I

1592
00:51:42,596 --> 00:51:42,846
loveonor because you get to

1593
00:51:44,598 --> 00:51:44,848
learn about new things. I love

1594
00:51:45,265 --> 00:51:45,515
to see the light bulb go off and

1595
00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:46,917
each and every one of them as

1596
00:51:48,635 --> 00:51:48,885
they realize that the things

1597
00:51:49,269 --> 00:51:49,519
that they're learning in terms

1598
00:51:51,138 --> 00:51:51,388
of being tech producers none of

1599
00:51:52,873 --> 00:51:53,123
that is rocket science. I hope

1600
00:51:55,142 --> 00:51:55,392
that we kind of set the standard

1601
00:51:56,843 --> 00:51:57,093
for how to embrace this, how to

1602
00:51:58,945 --> 00:51:59,195
embrace the AI world I want

1603
00:51:59,513 --> 00:51:59,763
other kids to know that

1604
00:52:02,649 --> 00:52:02,899
learning about new things is

1605
00:52:04,618 --> 00:52:04,868
actually good for y'all for your

1606
00:52:06,353 --> 00:52:06,603
brain so you can know about them

1607
00:52:07,354 --> 00:52:07,604
when you get to higher grades. I

1608
00:52:08,655 --> 00:52:08,905
want students to come back to

1609
00:52:10,357 --> 00:52:10,607
talk to our current students and

1610
00:52:12,592 --> 00:52:12,842
tell them look this opened up my

1611
00:52:14,628 --> 00:52:14,878
life to do this. Ultimately it's

1612
00:52:16,396 --> 00:52:16,646
them deciding that this is

1613
00:52:16,930 --> 00:52:17,180
something that they can do then

1614
00:52:18,665 --> 00:52:18,915
believing that there's something

1615
00:52:20,367 --> 00:52:20,617
that they can do and they need

1616
00:52:22,636 --> 00:52:22,886
the guidance and support of

1617
00:52:23,203 --> 00:52:23,453
those who believe in them.

1618
00:52:38,852 --> 00:52:39,102
that's just a snapshot if you I

1619
00:52:40,354 --> 00:52:40,604
invite anybody to come to our

1620
00:52:40,954 --> 00:52:41,204
school district, I'll take you

1621
00:52:42,856 --> 00:52:43,106
into a classroom or take you to

1622
00:52:44,591 --> 00:52:44,841
a student that google is

1623
00:52:46,626 --> 00:52:46,876
affected so either directly or

1624
00:52:49,162 --> 00:52:49,412
indirectly so I understand

1625
00:52:50,897 --> 00:52:51,147
the let me phrase it I don't

1626
00:52:52,366 --> 00:52:52,616
understand all the politics

1627
00:52:53,100 --> 00:52:53,350
that's not my world I don't want

1628
00:52:54,835 --> 00:52:55,085
it to be my world. My world is

1629
00:52:57,070 --> 00:52:57,320
is education but I know in my

1630
00:53:00,307 --> 00:53:00,557
world I have600 employees for

1631
00:53:02,576 --> 00:53:02,826
over4,000 students it's

1632
00:53:03,043 --> 00:53:03,293
important for me to make sure I

1633
00:53:04,978 --> 00:53:05,228
have all the information before

1634
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:05,929
I make judgment and before

1635
00:53:08,582 --> 00:53:08,832
I make decisions and I think in

1636
00:53:10,650 --> 00:53:10,900
today's world we sometimes jump

1637
00:53:12,352 --> 00:53:12,602
at information that we don't

1638
00:53:14,354 --> 00:53:14,604
really get all of it and I think

1639
00:53:15,088 --> 00:53:15,338
we've all experienced that as of

1640
00:53:17,090 --> 00:53:17,340
late and I was also have a

1641
00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:19,109
saying that Facebook is not real

1642
00:53:21,061 --> 00:53:21,311
to me other than an information

1643
00:53:23,096 --> 00:53:23,346
tool anything else that's it I

1644
00:53:26,366 --> 00:53:26,616
rely on face to face. I rely on

1645
00:53:28,835 --> 00:53:29,085
relationships and and there's

1646
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:30,820
there's the google has done that

1647
00:53:31,304 --> 00:53:31,554
they've they've proven they're

1648
00:53:33,073 --> 00:53:33,323
not just a big brand they have

1649
00:53:34,975 --> 00:53:35,225
proven that they're truly

1650
00:53:35,509 --> 00:53:35,759
partners in this and I can

1651
00:53:38,311 --> 00:53:38,561
I could sit here for hours on

1652
00:53:39,045 --> 00:53:39,295
end but at this point I want

1653
00:53:40,614 --> 00:53:40,864
to answer some questions that

1654
00:53:41,248 --> 00:53:41,498
anybody might have OK.

1655
00:53:44,351 --> 00:53:44,601
Mr Forrere I'll start out by

1656
00:53:46,353 --> 00:53:46,603
saying thank you for what you're

1657
00:53:48,355 --> 00:53:48,605
doing and and being proactive

1658
00:53:48,955 --> 00:53:49,205
especially with your students

1659
00:53:50,824 --> 00:53:51,074
and their you know just a few

1660
00:53:52,826 --> 00:53:53,076
years ago these kids were born

1661
00:53:54,628 --> 00:53:54,878
and now they're gonna be moving

1662
00:53:56,363 --> 00:53:56,613
into a workforce that that

1663
00:53:57,097 --> 00:53:57,347
you're helping prepare them for

1664
00:54:00,333 --> 00:54:00,583
I hope you would be willing to

1665
00:54:02,335 --> 00:54:02,585
maybe mentor some of your

1666
00:54:03,103 --> 00:54:03,353
colleagues around the state that

1667
00:54:06,339 --> 00:54:06,589
may be soon facing the same

1668
00:54:08,375 --> 00:54:08,625
challenges that that you've been

1669
00:54:09,109 --> 00:54:09,359
dealing with both in the good

1670
00:54:10,877 --> 00:54:11,127
and the bad side so I hope that

1671
00:54:11,545 --> 00:54:11,795
we can work out

1672
00:54:14,614 --> 00:54:14,864
some manner in which you can

1673
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:17,100
mentor them and and tell them to

1674
00:54:18,585 --> 00:54:18,835
what to watch out for and what

1675
00:54:20,554 --> 00:54:20,804
things to take advantage of well

1676
00:54:22,322 --> 00:54:22,572
I'm not sure mentor is the right

1677
00:54:23,056 --> 00:54:23,306
word but work with because

1678
00:54:24,357 --> 00:54:24,607
I'm sure I can get some ideas

1679
00:54:26,359 --> 00:54:26,609
from them more so than us but I

1680
00:54:28,361 --> 00:54:28,611
can tell us I can be I would be

1681
00:54:29,095 --> 00:54:29,345
willing to do that and already

1682
00:54:30,330 --> 00:54:30,580
have I've already had some

1683
00:54:32,365 --> 00:54:32,615
superintendents reach out to

1684
00:54:33,099 --> 00:54:33,349
say hey this is coming down the

1685
00:54:34,601 --> 00:54:34,851
pipe or possibly what can you

1686
00:54:36,336 --> 00:54:36,586
tell me so I'm all about it we

1687
00:54:38,338 --> 00:54:38,588
we're wide open in our city wide

1688
00:54:39,072 --> 00:54:39,322
open in our schools and I I

1689
00:54:40,841 --> 00:54:41,091
really encourage people to come

1690
00:54:41,508 --> 00:54:41,758
well thank you

1691
00:54:46,346 --> 00:54:46,596
questions are from for tell

1692
00:54:46,947 --> 00:54:47,197
you what I'm gonna go ahead and

1693
00:54:50,550 --> 00:54:50,800
and get Mr Adkins to speak

1694
00:54:52,819 --> 00:54:53,069
first and those of you if you

1695
00:54:53,386 --> 00:54:53,636
want to get in the queue that's

1696
00:54:54,855 --> 00:54:55,105
fine but I'm gonna let him speak

1697
00:54:56,590 --> 00:54:56,840
first and then we'll take

1698
00:54:57,123 --> 00:54:57,373
questions that might go to

1699
00:54:57,657 --> 00:54:57,907
either or both

1700
00:54:59,292 --> 00:54:59,542
you're recognized Mr. Atdkins

1701
00:55:00,660 --> 00:55:00,910
thank you Mr Chairman

1702
00:55:04,631 --> 00:55:04,881
so I think I'm gonna start

1703
00:55:06,366 --> 00:55:06,616
and I'm gonna talk about so in

1704
00:55:07,100 --> 00:55:07,350
west Memphis we actually had the

1705
00:55:08,602 --> 00:55:08,852
luxury that we started with

1706
00:55:10,437 --> 00:55:10,687
another data center before the

1707
00:55:11,104 --> 00:55:11,354
google data

1708
00:55:14,875 --> 00:55:15,125
that really enabled us to learn

1709
00:55:16,843 --> 00:55:17,093
a lot and as Miss Wilson said I

1710
00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:19,329
can I can reiterate emphatically

1711
00:55:20,814 --> 00:55:21,064
that not all data center

1712
00:55:24,584 --> 00:55:24,834
developers or hyperscalers are

1713
00:55:26,353 --> 00:55:26,603
the same so from the very

1714
00:55:29,155 --> 00:55:29,405
beginning Google their desire

1715
00:55:32,592 --> 00:55:32,842
from from all interactions that

1716
00:55:33,260 --> 00:55:33,510
we had with them at the city

1717
00:55:34,861 --> 00:55:35,111
level before we ever signed any

1718
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:37,380
MOUs or CDAs their desire was

1719
00:55:40,367 --> 00:55:40,617
how can they be an active part

1720
00:55:42,469 --> 00:55:42,719
of the community right so they

1721
00:55:43,136 --> 00:55:43,386
from the very beginning you'll

1722
00:55:43,803 --> 00:55:44,053
you

1723
00:55:45,372 --> 00:55:45,622
' ll hear or you hear on social

1724
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:46,890
media you hear a lot of talk

1725
00:55:47,307 --> 00:55:47,557
about

1726
00:55:50,577 --> 00:55:50,827
that they move into

1727
00:55:51,311 --> 00:55:51,561
disadvantaged or impoverished

1728
00:55:54,347 --> 00:55:54,597
communities and west memphis

1729
00:55:56,583 --> 00:55:56,833
tends to fit that bill but from

1730
00:55:58,351 --> 00:55:58,601
the very beginning they had

1731
00:55:59,085 --> 00:55:59,335
nothing but a desire to improve

1732
00:56:00,887 --> 00:56:01,137
our community and to invest in

1733
00:56:01,555 --> 00:56:01,805
our community

1734
00:56:04,591 --> 00:56:04,841
so we started like I said we

1735
00:56:05,191 --> 00:56:05,441
started with another developer

1736
00:56:06,693 --> 00:56:06,943
luckily that developer

1737
00:56:10,597 --> 00:56:10,847
moved away and and the google

1738
00:56:11,298 --> 00:56:11,548
facility came in and they

1739
00:56:11,831 --> 00:56:12,081
started talking to us

1740
00:56:14,901 --> 00:56:15,151
and we started working through

1741
00:56:16,603 --> 00:56:16,853
some of the agreements from a

1742
00:56:17,237 --> 00:56:17,487
from a municipal level first

1743
00:56:20,574 --> 00:56:20,824
I'm actually the the general man

1744
00:56:21,274 --> 00:56:21,524
of the utility but I've been

1745
00:56:22,576 --> 00:56:22,826
involved in that process from

1746
00:56:24,344 --> 00:56:24,594
the very beginning and I'll talk

1747
00:56:25,045 --> 00:56:25,295
a little bit about utilities at

1748
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:25,929
the end

1749
00:56:25,929 --> 00:56:26,179
but

1750
00:56:28,848 --> 00:56:29,098
as we were working through the

1751
00:56:30,817 --> 00:56:31,067
process we were very

1752
00:56:32,452 --> 00:56:32,702
concerned and very

1753
00:56:35,388 --> 00:56:35,638
diligent about making sure that

1754
00:56:37,123 --> 00:56:37,373
it was a a good deal for the

1755
00:56:38,858 --> 00:56:39,108
city and that the city was going

1756
00:56:40,627 --> 00:56:40,877
to get a benefit from having

1757
00:56:42,629 --> 00:56:42,879
them locate there they were open

1758
00:56:44,364 --> 00:56:44,614
to every one of those

1759
00:56:46,366 --> 00:56:46,616
conversations when we started

1760
00:56:46,967 --> 00:56:47,217
talking about community

1761
00:56:48,335 --> 00:56:48,585
development agreements they were

1762
00:56:50,570 --> 00:56:50,820
open to that conversation we

1763
00:56:52,339 --> 00:56:52,589
were able to work through that

1764
00:56:54,341 --> 00:56:54,591
they're making once they have

1765
00:56:55,075 --> 00:56:55,325
occupancy they will make it

1766
00:56:57,143 --> 00:56:57,393
sizable contribution to the city

1767
00:56:57,811 --> 00:56:58,061
annually

1768
00:57:01,114 --> 00:57:01,364
and that is really

1769
00:57:02,482 --> 00:57:02,732
transformational for us at a

1770
00:57:03,149 --> 00:57:03,399
municipal government

1771
00:57:07,053 --> 00:57:07,303
So as we work through all those

1772
00:57:08,822 --> 00:57:09,072
things we had a memorandum of

1773
00:57:10,557 --> 00:57:10,807
understanding I I will say this

1774
00:57:12,592 --> 00:57:12,842
as a side note the one thing so

1775
00:57:13,293 --> 00:57:13,543
we had an NDA with Google and

1776
00:57:16,896 --> 00:57:17,146
for future reference if you ever

1777
00:57:18,865 --> 00:57:19,115
have to pass anything like that

1778
00:57:20,567 --> 00:57:20,817
at city council make sure that

1779
00:57:22,836 --> 00:57:23,086
you get a bucky's MOu approved

1780
00:57:24,337 --> 00:57:24,587
at the same time as the google

1781
00:57:26,606 --> 00:57:26,856
MU because nobody asked us a

1782
00:57:28,341 --> 00:57:28,591
single word about Google

1783
00:57:29,142 --> 00:57:29,392
everybody cared about bucky's

1784
00:57:34,581 --> 00:57:34,831
but it was it was a it was a

1785
00:57:35,181 --> 00:57:35,431
good experience and they had a

1786
00:57:36,583 --> 00:57:36,833
desire from the very beginning

1787
00:57:38,351 --> 00:57:38,601
and they've maintained that

1788
00:57:39,052 --> 00:57:39,302
desire through the whole process

1789
00:57:40,854 --> 00:57:41,104
we started talking to them and

1790
00:57:43,123 --> 00:57:43,373
april of 24 and they've

1791
00:57:44,624 --> 00:57:44,874
maintained that position all

1792
00:57:45,291 --> 00:57:45,541
along

1793
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:47,110
so they really there's two

1794
00:57:48,862 --> 00:57:49,112
components that they operate

1795
00:57:50,830 --> 00:57:51,080
within so there's a corporate

1796
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:52,849
level that we work with and then

1797
00:57:54,334 --> 00:57:54,584
there's a project level that we

1798
00:57:56,569 --> 00:57:56,819
work with the corporate level

1799
00:57:58,805 --> 00:57:59,055
they focus mainly on benefits

1800
00:58:00,573 --> 00:58:00,823
to community like the

1801
00:58:04,344 --> 00:58:04,594
uhgyfoability fund that we

1802
00:58:05,045 --> 00:58:05,295
spoke about that Miss Wilson

1803
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:07,330
spoke about incidentally both

1804
00:58:08,682 --> 00:58:08,932
superintendentfoister and myself

1805
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:09,599
are

1806
00:58:11,284 --> 00:58:11,534
members of that council that

1807
00:58:11,951 --> 00:58:12,201
advisory council

1808
00:58:14,821 --> 00:58:15,071
one of the things that I will

1809
00:58:16,823 --> 00:58:17,073
say that they did a good thing

1810
00:58:18,825 --> 00:58:19,075
about with that is the the

1811
00:58:20,827 --> 00:58:21,077
entities that they used

1812
00:58:22,629 --> 00:58:22,879
groundswell the utility had West

1813
00:58:23,363 --> 00:58:23,613
memphis utilities had been

1814
00:58:24,864 --> 00:58:25,114
working with groundswell there

1815
00:58:26,833 --> 00:58:27,083
and established organization and

1816
00:58:28,802 --> 00:58:29,052
that's what they do and so they

1817
00:58:30,570 --> 00:58:30,820
partner with them Crawley's

1818
00:58:32,572 --> 00:58:32,822
ridge they manage the light heap

1819
00:58:34,574 --> 00:58:34,824
funds and for us and so they

1820
00:58:36,609 --> 00:58:36,859
they already had a pipeline for

1821
00:58:38,378 --> 00:58:38,628
these individuals and that

1822
00:58:39,112 --> 00:58:39,362
enabled them to really kind of

1823
00:58:40,447 --> 00:58:40,697
get in there and start working

1824
00:58:41,147 --> 00:58:41,397
on that

1825
00:58:44,617 --> 00:58:44,867
when we start talking about

1826
00:58:46,352 --> 00:58:46,602
energy affordability and

1827
00:58:46,886 --> 00:58:47,136
weatherization and winterization

1828
00:58:48,621 --> 00:58:48,871
on these homes these are

1829
00:58:50,590 --> 00:58:50,840
families that oftentimes have to

1830
00:58:52,892 --> 00:58:53,142
make a decision between do I pay

1831
00:58:54,661 --> 00:58:54,911
my utility bills so that we're

1832
00:58:55,428 --> 00:58:55,678
not in the dark and we have heat

1833
00:58:57,163 --> 00:58:57,413
or do I buy food this week and

1834
00:58:59,165 --> 00:58:59,415
so this is really transformative

1835
00:59:00,867 --> 00:59:01,117
for some of these families in

1836
00:59:02,602 --> 00:59:02,852
these communities and like Miss

1837
00:59:04,337 --> 00:59:04,587
Wilson said they've already

1838
00:59:06,339 --> 00:59:06,589
done40 homes and they're slated

1839
00:59:08,374 --> 00:59:08,624
to do another almost 200 by the

1840
00:59:10,376 --> 00:59:10,626
end of the year so it is making

1841
00:59:11,077 --> 00:59:11,327
a real difference for the

1842
00:59:11,644 --> 00:59:11,894
community

1843
00:59:14,347 --> 00:59:14,597
we're also talking to them about

1844
00:59:15,248 --> 00:59:15,498
at the corporate level about

1845
00:59:15,915 --> 00:59:16,165
investing in

1846
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:19,369
other parts of the community so

1847
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:21,070
they're talking to us about

1848
00:59:22,622 --> 00:59:22,872
public safety they're talking to

1849
00:59:24,591 --> 00:59:24,841
us about public infrastructure

1850
00:59:25,191 --> 00:59:25,441
they're talking to us about

1851
00:59:27,060 --> 00:59:27,310
quality of life issues and

1852
00:59:28,828 --> 00:59:29,078
they're willing to help and just

1853
00:59:30,597 --> 00:59:30,847
like superintendent oyster said

1854
00:59:32,365 --> 00:59:32,615
I would reiterate that their

1855
00:59:33,099 --> 00:59:33,349
desires to be a community

1856
00:59:35,101 --> 00:59:35,351
partner from the very beginning

1857
00:59:38,338 --> 00:59:38,588
Google's approach it has been

1858
00:59:38,938 --> 00:59:39,188
that they're going to be in west

1859
00:59:41,074 --> 00:59:41,324
memphis long term and they have

1860
00:59:42,609 --> 00:59:42,859
approached every interaction

1861
00:59:44,377 --> 00:59:44,627
that we've had with them that

1862
00:59:44,978 --> 00:59:45,228
way from a municipal government

1863
00:59:50,350 --> 00:59:50,600
We meet with them weekly and

1864
00:59:51,117 --> 00:59:51,367
the weekly there's both the

1865
00:59:53,086 --> 00:59:53,336
corporate and the project side

1866
00:59:55,088 --> 00:59:55,338
on on the call and we're able to

1867
00:59:57,090 --> 00:59:57,340
work through issues and we and

1868
00:59:59,125 --> 00:59:59,375
we talk about things that are

1869
01:00:00,627 --> 01:00:00,877
impacting the city and how

1870
01:00:01,327 --> 01:00:01,577
they're how they're

1871
01:00:01,761 --> 01:00:02,011
influencing the city

1872
01:00:08,301 --> 01:00:08,551
as we as we to talk about the

1873
01:00:09,035 --> 01:00:09,285
project level so the project

1874
01:00:10,537 --> 01:00:10,787
level those are the boots on the

1875
01:00:12,839 --> 01:00:13,089
grounds folk and right now at

1876
01:00:14,340 --> 01:00:14,590
the west memphis site there's

1877
01:00:17,110 --> 01:00:17,360
about 800 contractors and

1878
01:00:18,745 --> 01:00:18,995
associated folks working on the

1879
01:00:19,412 --> 01:00:19,662
site

1880
01:00:22,582 --> 01:00:22,832
they have different projects

1881
01:00:24,350 --> 01:00:24,600
different initiatives and

1882
01:00:25,051 --> 01:00:25,301
they're and a and their focus

1883
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:27,070
outside of the development is

1884
01:00:27,487 --> 01:00:27,737
how can they impact the

1885
01:00:29,088 --> 01:00:29,338
community so they've already

1886
01:00:30,857 --> 01:00:31,107
gone in in the city did not ask

1887
01:00:32,358 --> 01:00:32,608
them to do this this is their

1888
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:34,610
corporate culture and they go in

1889
01:00:35,061 --> 01:00:35,311
and they do this so the city has

1890
01:00:38,398 --> 01:00:38,648
they they've gone into some of

1891
01:00:39,132 --> 01:00:39,382
our municipal parks they're city

1892
01:00:41,034 --> 01:00:41,284
owned parks and they've they've

1893
01:00:43,069 --> 01:00:43,319
upgraded the parks so they've

1894
01:00:44,537 --> 01:00:44,787
taken some of the playground

1895
01:00:46,339 --> 01:00:46,589
equipment they're starting in

1896
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:47,290
the low income neighborhoods

1897
01:00:49,075 --> 01:00:49,325
there and they're upgrading the

1898
01:00:50,643 --> 01:00:50,893
playground equipment improving

1899
01:00:52,378 --> 01:00:52,628
the fencing and cleaning the

1900
01:00:53,046 --> 01:00:53,296
park up and they're doing all

1901
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:53,930
that on their own

1902
01:00:55,448 --> 01:00:55,698
there's been instances where

1903
01:00:56,115 --> 01:00:56,365
there's been

1904
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:00,570
roads and and streets that are

1905
01:01:01,054 --> 01:01:01,304
close to the development the

1906
01:01:03,056 --> 01:01:03,306
damage was not caused by them

1907
01:01:04,591 --> 01:01:04,841
but they just went ahead and

1908
01:01:05,325 --> 01:01:05,575
called and these are the project

1909
01:01:07,093 --> 01:01:07,343
folks and said hey we have folks

1910
01:01:09,128 --> 01:01:09,378
in here and and we'd like to be

1911
01:01:10,597 --> 01:01:10,847
able to help we'd like to come

1912
01:01:12,332 --> 01:01:12,582
over and and and take care of

1913
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:14,550
this problem that you have so

1914
01:01:15,034 --> 01:01:15,284
that's huge for us because that

1915
01:01:16,836 --> 01:01:17,086
enables the city of limited

1916
01:01:18,371 --> 01:01:18,621
resources to be able to use

1917
01:01:19,005 --> 01:01:19,255
those resources in other places

1918
01:01:22,342 --> 01:01:22,592
I'm gonna interrupt you if I

1919
01:01:24,310 --> 01:01:24,560
could Mr. Atdkins thank you

1920
01:01:26,346 --> 01:01:26,596
for all that I'm we're as you

1921
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:27,230
know we started a little late

1922
01:01:28,615 --> 01:01:28,865
I'm gonna try to move this along

1923
01:01:30,350 --> 01:01:30,600
and you're making it very clear

1924
01:01:32,585 --> 01:01:32,835
that at this point in time

1925
01:01:33,186 --> 01:01:33,436
Google's been a pretty good

1926
01:01:34,854 --> 01:01:35,104
corporate citizen for a new

1927
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:36,839
citizen in your community

1928
01:01:38,391 --> 01:01:38,641
however I did have a question I

1929
01:01:40,627 --> 01:01:40,877
wanted to ask you about you

1930
01:01:42,595 --> 01:01:42,845
as the utilities general

1931
01:01:44,631 --> 01:01:44,881
manager are involved with the

1932
01:01:46,866 --> 01:01:47,116
infrastructure although y'all

1933
01:01:47,567 --> 01:01:47,817
are a municipal power

1934
01:01:52,372 --> 01:01:52,622
company but you're you will not

1935
01:01:55,074 --> 01:01:55,324
be directly selling to the

1936
01:01:56,843 --> 01:01:57,093
google that will be done by

1937
01:01:58,578 --> 01:01:58,828
entergy is that correct that's

1938
01:02:00,346 --> 01:02:00,596
not correct tell me how that

1939
01:02:00,947 --> 01:02:01,197
will work so

1940
01:02:04,350 --> 01:02:04,600
as the chairman pointed out

1941
01:02:06,352 --> 01:02:06,602
we are a municipal utility so we

1942
01:02:08,588 --> 01:02:08,838
are actually an agency of the

1943
01:02:10,823 --> 01:02:11,073
city and we are actually

1944
01:02:13,092 --> 01:02:13,342
serving the water service and

1945
01:02:14,627 --> 01:02:14,877
wastewater service to the site

1946
01:02:15,228 --> 01:02:15,478
and we're also serving

1947
01:02:16,863 --> 01:02:17,113
distribution voltage for about

1948
01:02:17,497 --> 01:02:17,747
25 megawatts of distribution to

1949
01:02:18,164 --> 01:02:18,414
the site.

1950
01:02:22,568 --> 01:02:22,818
that that is used for the

1951
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:24,820
construction temporary and then

1952
01:02:26,339 --> 01:02:26,589
they'll be 20 megawatts of

1953
01:02:26,940 --> 01:02:27,190
permanent power that will stay

1954
01:02:28,574 --> 01:02:28,824
at the site that the city is

1955
01:02:30,843 --> 01:02:31,093
providing to the site now now

1956
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:33,329
you heard M Wilson

1957
01:02:36,582 --> 01:02:36,832
mentioned that this was a I

1958
01:02:38,351 --> 01:02:38,601
think she s she used a different

1959
01:02:40,586 --> 01:02:40,836
word but the air cooled site

1960
01:02:42,588 --> 01:02:42,838
but you will obviously they use

1961
01:02:43,389 --> 01:02:43,639
water I mean it's a great big

1962
01:02:45,091 --> 01:02:45,341
building it's gonna so you you

1963
01:02:46,859 --> 01:02:47,109
are the water provi your agcency

1964
01:02:48,628 --> 01:02:48,878
is the water provider for the

1965
01:02:49,295 --> 01:02:49,545
project OK.

1966
01:02:52,365 --> 01:02:52,615
so is this for the first three

1967
01:02:52,999 --> 01:02:53,249
buildings the first3 buildings

1968
01:02:54,567 --> 01:02:54,817
will be air cooled there's gonna

1969
01:02:56,302 --> 01:02:56,552
be a total of5. we don't know

1970
01:02:57,070 --> 01:02:57,320
where buildings4 and5 were

1971
01:02:58,838 --> 01:02:59,088
originalinally we talked to them

1972
01:03:00,573 --> 01:03:00,823
about water cooled we had

1973
01:03:02,342 --> 01:03:02,592
conducted studies to make sure

1974
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:03,359
that we had appropriate water

1975
01:03:04,610 --> 01:03:04,860
out of the aquifer that we had

1976
01:03:06,346 --> 01:03:06,596
the capacity to be able to serve

1977
01:03:09,115 --> 01:03:09,365
them and so right now the

1978
01:03:10,483 --> 01:03:10,733
usage that they have

1979
01:03:11,417 --> 01:03:11,667
pardon me

1980
01:03:14,854 --> 01:03:15,104
think about it in terms of

1981
01:03:16,823 --> 01:03:17,073
like a large distribution center

1982
01:03:18,391 --> 01:03:18,641
so in west memphis we have the

1983
01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:21,110
Bosch distribution center the

1984
01:03:22,628 --> 01:03:22,878
water usage is roughly about the

1985
01:03:24,330 --> 01:03:24,580
same and the sewer usage is

1986
01:03:25,098 --> 01:03:25,348
about the same so it's very

1987
01:03:27,100 --> 01:03:27,350
minimal water usage. the

1988
01:03:28,568 --> 01:03:28,818
conversations that we did have

1989
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:30,820
with them were about using

1990
01:03:32,839 --> 01:03:33,089
recycled water and that's still

1991
01:03:34,574 --> 01:03:34,824
we're still having those

1992
01:03:35,108 --> 01:03:35,358
conversations with them but

1993
01:03:38,378 --> 01:03:38,628
there's no negative impact on

1994
01:03:39,012 --> 01:03:39,262
the water usage for the

1995
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:41,130
community and we are providing

1996
01:03:41,547 --> 01:03:41,797
that thank you

1997
01:03:44,317 --> 01:03:44,567
we have a question from

1998
01:03:46,319 --> 01:03:46,569
Representativeladyman who who is

1999
01:03:47,253 --> 01:03:47,503
that forpresentative lady Well

2000
01:03:48,821 --> 01:03:49,071
maybe both of y'all then go

2001
01:03:51,057 --> 01:03:51,307
go right ahead maybe both y'all

2002
01:03:53,059 --> 01:03:53,309
can respond to this this is a

2003
01:03:54,827 --> 01:03:55,077
really big project and I know

2004
01:03:56,562 --> 01:03:56,812
y'all been working on this a

2005
01:03:58,364 --> 01:03:58,614
long time. you had a long

2006
01:04:00,633 --> 01:04:00,883
history so you're as educated

2007
01:04:02,602 --> 01:04:02,852
as any city in Arkansas I would

2008
01:04:05,138 --> 01:04:05,388
think. so my question is

2009
01:04:09,075 --> 01:04:09,325
big project talking to a big

2010
01:04:11,044 --> 01:04:11,294
company so what was your biggest

2011
01:04:14,814 --> 01:04:15,064
challenge to overcome to get

2012
01:04:16,816 --> 01:04:17,066
this project off the ground.

2013
01:04:18,451 --> 01:04:18,701
what was the most difficult

2014
01:04:19,018 --> 01:04:19,268
hurdle

2015
01:04:22,989 --> 01:04:23,239
this may be more for you

2016
01:04:23,556 --> 01:04:23,806
Mr Atkins.

2017
01:04:28,861 --> 01:04:29,111
probably the biggest thing was

2018
01:04:32,598 --> 01:04:32,848
was making sure that when we

2019
01:04:33,199 --> 01:04:33,449
look at things we want to make

2020
01:04:34,801 --> 01:04:35,051
sure that there was no negative

2021
01:04:35,501 --> 01:04:35,751
impact for our citizens

2022
01:04:38,838 --> 01:04:39,088
from a utility standpoint

2023
01:04:40,339 --> 01:04:40,589
that there was no negative

2024
01:04:41,307 --> 01:04:41,557
impact on water or electric

2025
01:04:44,343 --> 01:04:44,593
consumption. we just had an

2026
01:04:45,111 --> 01:04:45,361
upgrade on our treatment plant

2027
01:04:46,612 --> 01:04:46,862
and we wanted to make sure that

2028
01:04:48,347 --> 01:04:48,597
there was not a negative impact

2029
01:04:50,316 --> 01:04:50,566
on the rest of the residents on

2030
01:04:52,585 --> 01:04:52,835
that treatment impact and that

2031
01:04:54,887 --> 01:04:55,137
there was no negative impact for

2032
01:04:56,389 --> 01:04:56,639
any of our residents or

2033
01:04:57,123 --> 01:04:57,373
ratepayers in terms of utility

2034
01:04:59,158 --> 01:04:59,408
bills or taxes or anything like

2035
01:04:59,826 --> 01:05:00,076
that

2036
01:05:04,330 --> 01:05:04,580
in all actuality it it's it's

2037
01:05:05,331 --> 01:05:05,581
actually having the opposite

2038
01:05:06,866 --> 01:05:07,116
effect because we're spreading

2039
01:05:08,568 --> 01:05:08,818
our fixed costs over our our

2040
01:05:12,338 --> 01:05:12,588
larger customer base and so75%

2041
01:05:13,072 --> 01:05:13,322
of our utility bills are fixed

2042
01:05:16,342 --> 01:05:16,592
costs right? and so Google is

2043
01:05:18,344 --> 01:05:18,594
is paying a large percentage of

2044
01:05:19,112 --> 01:05:19,362
those and so it actually has a

2045
01:05:19,745 --> 01:05:19,995
stabilizing effect on our rates

2046
01:05:23,316 --> 01:05:23,566
so those were all very important

2047
01:05:26,352 --> 01:05:26,602
when we were started to work

2048
01:05:27,053 --> 01:05:27,303
through this but then we also

2049
01:05:28,888 --> 01:05:29,138
wanted to look at things like

2050
01:05:30,590 --> 01:05:30,840
how is it going to impact public

2051
01:05:31,290 --> 01:05:31,540
safety? We don't have a data

2052
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:34,610
center in west memphis how are

2053
01:05:34,961 --> 01:05:35,211
our fire personnel gonna be

2054
01:05:38,531 --> 01:05:38,781
incident there do they have the

2055
01:05:39,198 --> 01:05:39,448
appropriate training

2056
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:41,650
when we brought those things up

2057
01:05:42,602 --> 01:05:42,852
I I can tell you the google

2058
01:05:44,337 --> 01:05:44,587
folks they were like we we will

2059
01:05:45,037 --> 01:05:45,287
send you to any of our other

2060
01:05:46,439 --> 01:05:46,689
data centers and we will help

2061
01:05:47,106 --> 01:05:47,356
you to get the appropriate

2062
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:51,160
you can do that so those were

2063
01:05:53,146 --> 01:05:53,396
and then and then the

2064
01:05:54,814 --> 01:05:55,064
infrastructure around the city

2065
01:05:56,849 --> 01:05:57,099
we actually built a new road

2066
01:05:58,651 --> 01:05:58,901
into the facility it had been in

2067
01:06:00,386 --> 01:06:00,636
the plans for a long time and

2068
01:06:02,355 --> 01:06:02,605
this was the catalyst to help us

2069
01:06:03,356 --> 01:06:03,606
get that done so it's a bypass

2070
01:06:04,891 --> 01:06:05,141
for our main Broadway

2071
01:06:06,359 --> 01:06:06,609
thoroughfare that goes through

2072
01:06:08,861 --> 01:06:09,111
town but bro it's those were all

2073
01:06:10,363 --> 01:06:10,613
things that were really

2074
01:06:10,830 --> 01:06:11,080
important to us as we were

2075
01:06:12,832 --> 01:06:13,082
negotiating with them Mroster, I

2076
01:06:13,499 --> 01:06:13,749
might ask you

2077
01:06:16,569 --> 01:06:16,819
you know the kids you showed

2078
01:06:18,571 --> 01:06:18,821
that they're they're accepting

2079
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:20,790
that and they're learning but

2080
01:06:22,575 --> 01:06:22,825
what about the adults I mean the

2081
01:06:24,577 --> 01:06:24,827
the teachers and the parents

2082
01:06:26,612 --> 01:06:26,862
what was their attitude? I mean

2083
01:06:28,347 --> 01:06:28,597
did you get any negative

2084
01:06:30,816 --> 01:06:31,066
pushback from any l living next

2085
01:06:32,351 --> 01:06:32,601
to it or whatever or were they

2086
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:33,369
all in on what it was gonna do

2087
01:06:35,087 --> 01:06:35,337
for your school so full

2088
01:06:36,989 --> 01:06:37,239
disclosure I I drive by the

2089
01:06:37,557 --> 01:06:37,807
facility every day coming in to

2090
01:06:38,191 --> 01:06:38,441
work

2091
01:06:39,192 --> 01:06:39,442
and

2092
01:06:42,862 --> 01:06:43,112
quite frankly I didn't know it

2093
01:06:44,363 --> 01:06:44,613
was actually comingti I actually

2094
01:06:45,097 --> 01:06:45,347
got there so I didn't hear a

2095
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:46,849
whole lot of negative things at

2096
01:06:48,568 --> 01:06:48,818
all and you know kids are kids

2097
01:06:50,369 --> 01:06:50,619
you know if it's not a video

2098
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:51,220
gameme or right in front of on

2099
01:06:52,338 --> 01:06:52,588
social media they they're

2100
01:06:53,139 --> 01:06:53,389
they're not they're not privy to

2101
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:55,090
all the things but as far as

2102
01:06:56,842 --> 01:06:57,092
parents and community teachers,

2103
01:06:59,111 --> 01:06:59,361
I mean this has been embraced

2104
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:01,430
as a whole in our community and

2105
01:07:01,847 --> 01:07:02,097
in our school system as well

2106
01:07:03,115 --> 01:07:03,365
thank you

2107
01:07:06,619 --> 01:07:06,869
if I could just tack onto that

2108
01:07:08,387 --> 01:07:08,637
we did a lot of work upfront

2109
01:07:10,356 --> 01:07:10,606
talking about how it wasn't

2110
01:07:10,957 --> 01:07:11,207
going to have any of those

2111
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:14,610
negative benefits we didn't name

2112
01:07:15,094 --> 01:07:15,344
Google but we talked about the

2113
01:07:16,629 --> 01:07:16,879
the positive benefits that a

2114
01:07:17,263 --> 01:07:17,513
large development would have for

2115
01:07:18,864 --> 01:07:19,114
our community and how there

2116
01:07:22,335 --> 01:07:22,585
would not be any infrastructure

2117
01:07:23,102 --> 01:07:23,352
issues or problems that we

2118
01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:25,120
weren't going to use water up or

2119
01:07:26,339 --> 01:07:26,589
use all the electric or make

2120
01:07:27,106 --> 01:07:27,356
rates go up and so we did a lot

2121
01:07:29,141 --> 01:07:29,391
of work up front to the

2122
01:07:30,376 --> 01:07:30,626
community with the community

2123
01:07:32,912 --> 01:07:33,162
through town halls and kind of

2124
01:07:33,512 --> 01:07:33,762
grassroots messaging

2125
01:07:36,616 --> 01:07:36,866
to kind of take to talk about

2126
01:07:38,351 --> 01:07:38,601
all those things in advance of

2127
01:07:39,252 --> 01:07:39,502
the announcement and we've

2128
01:07:39,785 --> 01:07:40,035
realized a lot of success with

2129
01:07:40,453 --> 01:07:40,703
that

2130
01:07:45,157 --> 01:07:45,407
Thank you before we go any

2131
01:07:47,126 --> 01:07:47,376
further I just want to tell

2132
01:07:48,628 --> 01:07:48,878
everybody that I'm gonna be a

2133
01:07:50,596 --> 01:07:50,846
little bit shorter with my time

2134
01:07:52,865 --> 01:07:53,115
I'm gonna allow simply

2135
01:07:54,567 --> 01:07:54,817
because we are gonna try to get

2136
01:07:55,434 --> 01:07:55,684
out of here before dark th30

2137
01:07:59,205 --> 01:07:59,455
and it is a little warm today so

2138
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:00,890
I know y'all can't wait to get

2139
01:08:02,608 --> 01:08:02,858
back out in the heat but

2140
01:08:04,610 --> 01:08:04,860
uhpresentative Mcgruder you're

2141
01:08:05,277 --> 01:08:05,527
recognized

2142
01:08:08,581 --> 01:08:08,831
thank you chair just have one

2143
01:08:12,351 --> 01:08:12,601
question or a statement

2144
01:08:12,852 --> 01:08:13,102
when you both agree that you

2145
01:08:14,854 --> 01:08:15,104
have two of the best state

2146
01:08:15,421 --> 01:08:15,671
representatives in the state of

2147
01:08:16,088 --> 01:08:16,338
Arkansas.

2148
01:08:20,693 --> 01:08:20,943
that that question's out of

2149
01:08:21,260 --> 01:08:21,510
order

2150
01:08:26,332 --> 01:08:26,582
but I'll let y'all answer it.

2151
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:27,449
Was that a rhetorical question?

2152
01:08:30,336 --> 01:08:30,586
so I

2153
01:08:33,072 --> 01:08:33,322
I can I can honestly s share

2154
01:08:34,573 --> 01:08:34,823
that I try to keep them in loop

2155
01:08:36,575 --> 01:08:36,825
with everything we do and what's

2156
01:08:38,577 --> 01:08:38,827
good for our community is good

2157
01:08:40,346 --> 01:08:40,596
for schools and what's good for

2158
01:08:41,047 --> 01:08:41,297
our schools is good for the

2159
01:08:43,049 --> 01:08:43,299
community and and so we we I

2160
01:08:45,017 --> 01:08:45,267
can't I mean jokingly I think

2161
01:08:47,086 --> 01:08:47,336
you know just by him making that

2162
01:08:48,587 --> 01:08:48,837
statement you know where we're

2163
01:08:49,355 --> 01:08:49,605
at with our relationship and I

2164
01:08:50,856 --> 01:08:51,106
respect them both communicate

2165
01:08:53,159 --> 01:08:53,409
with them both they have been

2166
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:55,110
extremely helpful to me

2167
01:08:56,829 --> 01:08:57,079
personally as well as to the

2168
01:08:57,463 --> 01:08:57,713
school whether it is a

2169
01:09:01,100 --> 01:09:01,350
superintendent or a a utility

2170
01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:03,319
manager I think everybody in

2171
01:09:05,071 --> 01:09:05,321
this room on this side of the

2172
01:09:07,073 --> 01:09:07,323
table agrees that it's great to

2173
01:09:08,874 --> 01:09:09,124
have those communications a good

2174
01:09:10,576 --> 01:09:10,826
relationship so thank you and

2175
01:09:12,345 --> 01:09:12,595
and I will not rule your

2176
01:09:13,045 --> 01:09:13,295
question out of order

2177
01:09:15,047 --> 01:09:15,297
RepresentativemcGregor. I have

2178
01:09:17,083 --> 01:09:17,333
one more in the queue and

2179
01:09:19,352 --> 01:09:19,602
that'spresentative Brooks you're

2180
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:21,370
recognized thank you Mr Chair. I

2181
01:09:22,388 --> 01:09:22,638
appreciate the latitude since

2182
01:09:23,122 --> 01:09:23,372
I'm not on this committee but

2183
01:09:24,623 --> 01:09:24,873
obviously given the last

2184
01:09:25,124 --> 01:09:25,374
question there's a broad

2185
01:09:27,159 --> 01:09:27,409
latitude for to say things on

2186
01:09:27,827 --> 01:09:28,077
this committee and I

2187
01:09:29,929 --> 01:09:30,179
appreciate it thank you

2188
01:09:30,863 --> 01:09:31,113
gentlemen for being here and and

2189
01:09:32,365 --> 01:09:32,615
the information that you're

2190
01:09:33,099 --> 01:09:33,349
providing and Mr. Ffoister this

2191
01:09:36,335 --> 01:09:36,585
question is for you. relative

2192
01:09:38,371 --> 01:09:38,621
to funding for the school

2193
01:09:39,105 --> 01:09:39,355
district. Obviously we know that

2194
01:09:40,606 --> 01:09:40,856
we're funded based on the

2195
01:09:42,842 --> 01:09:43,092
uniform rate of taxation,

2196
01:09:44,343 --> 01:09:44,593
property taxes. Has there been

2197
01:09:46,545 --> 01:09:46,795
any discussions or projections

2198
01:09:48,547 --> 01:09:48,797
made about how that would impact

2199
01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:50,599
you. I saw a recent story about

2200
01:09:52,852 --> 01:09:53,102
a a metadata center in a parish

2201
01:09:55,121 --> 01:09:55,371
in Louisisiana that had

2202
01:09:56,856 --> 01:09:57,106
significant positive impacts for

2203
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:57,840
the teachers in terms of of

2204
01:09:58,124 --> 01:09:58,374
annual bonuse

2205
01:10:00,593 --> 01:10:00,843
s so have you had any

2206
01:10:02,828 --> 01:10:03,078
projections made or discussed

2207
01:10:04,597 --> 01:10:04,847
with Google about how this might

2208
01:10:06,999 --> 01:10:07,249
impact the schools in in umriney

2209
01:10:07,666 --> 01:10:07,916
County.

2210
01:10:11,036 --> 01:10:11,286
so I'll answer in two parts so

2211
01:10:13,105 --> 01:10:13,355
the first part is obviously the

2212
01:10:13,773 --> 01:10:14,023
revenue from the tax

2213
01:10:17,109 --> 01:10:17,359
so we we still don't have

2214
01:10:18,844 --> 01:10:19,094
exactly I'm still trying to plan

2215
01:10:20,346 --> 01:10:20,596
that out as a superintendent.

2216
01:10:20,980 --> 01:10:21,230
I'm trying to plan out 2,3,4

2217
01:10:23,082 --> 01:10:23,332
years ahead so I don't know what

2218
01:10:24,850 --> 01:10:25,100
that tax revenue is going to be

2219
01:10:26,585 --> 01:10:26,835
and as you know with school

2220
01:10:28,354 --> 01:10:28,604
finance just because our revenue

2221
01:10:29,121 --> 01:10:29,371
comes up we may lose funding

2222
01:10:30,856 --> 01:10:31,106
because of the equalization so

2223
01:10:31,490 --> 01:10:31,740
we're trying to figure out where

2224
01:10:33,125 --> 01:10:33,375
that balance is and what our

2225
01:10:34,927 --> 01:10:35,177
increase is gonna be but there

2226
01:10:35,594 --> 01:10:35,844
is going to be an increase

2227
01:10:38,898 --> 01:10:39,148
so the second part we've had

2228
01:10:40,599 --> 01:10:40,849
internal conversations with

2229
01:10:42,868 --> 01:10:43,118
Google about other projects

2230
01:10:44,804 --> 01:10:45,054
other things that we want to do

2231
01:10:47,273 --> 01:10:47,523
to support our district we

2232
01:10:49,108 --> 01:10:49,358
have some facility issues

2233
01:10:51,043 --> 01:10:51,293
we're blessed with some

2234
01:10:53,078 --> 01:10:53,328
resources but facility we have

2235
01:10:54,613 --> 01:10:54,863
one of the oldest high schools

2236
01:10:56,348 --> 01:10:56,598
in the state of Arkansas so

2237
01:10:57,049 --> 01:10:57,299
we're looking at those type

2238
01:11:00,386 --> 01:11:00,636
things my first thing is is

2239
01:11:02,354 --> 01:11:02,604
about our people because you

2240
01:11:03,088 --> 01:11:03,338
can't you it's hard to find

2241
01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:05,140
teachers and it's hard to find

2242
01:11:05,558 --> 01:11:05,808
good teachers so

2243
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:08,610
and I'll make a plug we've got

2244
01:11:09,094 --> 01:11:09,344
one of the first merit pay we

2245
01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:11,080
have our own school district

2246
01:11:12,598 --> 01:11:12,848
merit pay in west memphis

2247
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:14,850
schools which is about400,000

2248
01:11:16,335 --> 01:11:16,585
dollars we're gonna divvy up on

2249
01:11:17,036 --> 01:11:17,286
teachers so it's significant. so

2250
01:11:19,071 --> 01:11:19,321
that's important to me but I

2251
01:11:20,806 --> 01:11:21,056
don't know how to plan that out

2252
01:11:22,608 --> 01:11:22,858
yet until I have all the

2253
01:11:23,242 --> 01:11:23,492
information and right now I

2254
01:11:23,809 --> 01:11:24,059
don't have all that

2255
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:27,329
thank you and

2256
01:11:30,616 --> 01:11:30,866
I've give a little leeway to

2257
01:11:31,217 --> 01:11:31,467
representative Brooks while he

2258
01:11:32,852 --> 01:11:33,102
is not a member of this

2259
01:11:34,353 --> 01:11:34,603
committee he is chair of the

2260
01:11:36,622 --> 01:11:36,872
houseducationittee and I knew he

2261
01:11:38,357 --> 01:11:38,607
would have a relevant question

2262
01:11:39,124 --> 01:11:39,374
for you so so thank you for that

2263
01:11:43,095 --> 01:11:43,345
with no further questions thank

2264
01:11:46,365 --> 01:11:46,615
you both for coming and the

2265
01:11:47,099 --> 01:11:47,349
hard work you're doing to serve

2266
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:48,050
your folks and rerichtenon

2267
01:11:48,334 --> 01:11:48,584
County.

2268
01:11:49,168 --> 01:11:49,418
thank you for the opportunity

2269
01:11:52,838 --> 01:11:53,088
thank you as well Next we'll

2270
01:11:56,308 --> 01:11:56,558
have presentation by andrey

2271
01:11:57,076 --> 01:11:57,326
Mr John bethel, director of

2272
01:11:59,044 --> 01:11:59,294
public affairs, Mr David Palmer

2273
01:12:00,813 --> 01:12:01,063
vice president of regulatory

2274
01:12:01,447 --> 01:12:01,697
affairs if you too would come

2275
01:12:02,081 --> 01:12:02,331
forward

2276
01:12:10,589 --> 01:12:10,839
And and I also need to give the

2277
01:12:12,324 --> 01:12:12,574
committee another heads up here

2278
01:12:13,092 --> 01:12:13,342
I think this one might take a

2279
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:14,810
little longer than some of the

2280
01:12:18,364 --> 01:12:18,614
others and I might cut if I do

2281
01:12:20,633 --> 01:12:20,883
cut it off it would only be

2282
01:12:22,635 --> 01:12:22,885
because I've recently learned

2283
01:12:23,269 --> 01:12:23,519
that we will probably be

2284
01:12:28,541 --> 01:12:28,791
scheduling a a another meeting

2285
01:12:29,174 --> 01:12:29,424
in about four weeks

2286
01:12:30,442 --> 01:12:30,692
and

2287
01:12:32,811 --> 01:12:33,061
Misterrethle you'll get to come

2288
01:12:35,247 --> 01:12:35,497
back then so I I'm only saying

2289
01:12:38,350 --> 01:12:38,600
that is that I'm I'm usually

2290
01:12:39,118 --> 01:12:39,368
when we have a hearing like this

2291
01:12:42,354 --> 01:12:42,604
we flesh everything out we're

2292
01:12:44,590 --> 01:12:44,840
not going to go on and on and on

2293
01:12:46,358 --> 01:12:46,608
with this today where we I

2294
01:12:47,159 --> 01:12:47,409
promise you that we we have some

2295
01:12:48,594 --> 01:12:48,844
hard deadlines and we will we

2296
01:12:50,729 --> 01:12:50,979
will get out of here but with

2297
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:51,680
that

2298
01:12:54,667 --> 01:12:54,917
Mr bethel Mr Palmer I will

2299
01:12:55,267 --> 01:12:55,517
ask you to introduce yourselves

2300
01:12:57,036 --> 01:12:57,286
for the record and then you

2301
01:12:57,570 --> 01:12:57,820
recognize

2302
01:13:00,339 --> 01:13:00,589
good afternoon I'm John bethel

2303
01:13:01,140 --> 01:13:01,390
I'm director of public affairs

2304
01:13:01,807 --> 01:13:02,057
for Enterg Arkansas.

2305
01:13:03,642 --> 01:13:03,892
turn your mic on

2306
01:13:05,044 --> 01:13:05,294
show him how to do it John

2307
01:13:08,347 --> 01:13:08,597
but

2308
01:13:10,616 --> 01:13:10,866
David palmer vice president

2309
01:13:12,618 --> 01:13:12,868
regulatory affairs entergy

2310
01:13:13,152 --> 01:13:13,402
Arkansas thank you

2311
01:13:16,822 --> 01:13:17,072
and good afternoon Mr

2312
01:13:18,357 --> 01:13:18,607
chairman members of the

2313
01:13:18,824 --> 01:13:19,074
committee we're pleased to be

2314
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:20,609
here and and to assist and we'll

2315
01:13:21,093 --> 01:13:21,343
obviously show up anytime you

2316
01:13:22,828 --> 01:13:23,078
you need our help we're glad to

2317
01:13:23,529 --> 01:13:23,779
do that

2318
01:13:26,599 --> 01:13:26,849
just want to hit on a couple of

2319
01:13:28,334 --> 01:13:28,584
things before take questions

2320
01:13:30,569 --> 01:13:30,819
but just we are pleased to

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01:13:32,338 --> 01:13:32,588
help power Arkansas we're

2322
01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:34,590
pleased to help support the

2323
01:13:34,940 --> 01:13:35,190
health and welfare of the

2324
01:13:36,575 --> 01:13:36,825
communities that we serve and

2325
01:13:38,310 --> 01:13:38,560
the and the customers we serve

2326
01:13:40,546 --> 01:13:40,796
in those communities and part of

2327
01:13:42,615 --> 01:13:42,865
that is ensuring that we are

2328
01:13:44,650 --> 01:13:44,900
able to provide reliable and

2329
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:47,369
affordable power and serving

2330
01:13:50,856 --> 01:13:51,106
large customers such as a steel

2331
01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:53,075
mill or a manufacturing facility

2332
01:13:53,559 --> 01:13:53,809
or a data center helps toward

2333
01:13:54,193 --> 01:13:54,443
that

2334
01:13:58,631 --> 01:13:58,881
because as as Mr Adkins

2335
01:14:00,366 --> 01:14:00,616
mentioned a large customer pays

2336
01:14:01,066 --> 01:14:01,316
a large part of the utility's

2337
01:14:02,801 --> 01:14:03,051
fixed costs which helps cover

2338
01:14:04,336 --> 01:14:04,586
costs that customers would

2339
01:14:06,572 --> 01:14:06,822
otherwise pay and with our data

2340
01:14:08,574 --> 01:14:08,824
center customers we are

2341
01:14:10,542 --> 01:14:10,792
contracting with them under our

2342
01:14:13,112 --> 01:14:13,362
fair sharere plus pledge and

2343
01:14:14,847 --> 01:14:15,097
Miss Wilson touched on that a

2344
01:14:16,849 --> 01:14:17,099
little bit is is we contract

2345
01:14:18,651 --> 01:14:18,901
with those customers to ensure

2346
01:14:20,619 --> 01:14:20,869
that they pay the cost to serve

2347
01:14:22,354 --> 01:14:22,604
them plus they pay additional

2348
01:14:23,088 --> 01:14:23,338
amounts that help bring down the

2349
01:14:23,822 --> 01:14:24,072
cost to our other customers

2350
01:14:28,327 --> 01:14:28,577
and that has real benefits in

2351
01:14:30,863 --> 01:14:31,113
terms of utility rates and so

2352
01:14:32,831 --> 01:14:33,081
for our relationship with Google

2353
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:34,850
and our contract with Google it

2354
01:14:36,335 --> 01:14:36,585
does provide over the life of

2355
01:14:37,036 --> 01:14:37,286
the contract that they pay for

2356
01:14:39,038 --> 01:14:39,288
the cost to serve them plus

2357
01:14:41,073 --> 01:14:41,323
additional costs that bring down

2358
01:14:42,574 --> 01:14:42,824
the cost that other customers

2359
01:14:44,810 --> 01:14:45,060
pay for example if it costs real

2360
01:14:48,347 --> 01:14:48,597
simply if it costs us $100 to to

2361
01:14:50,349 --> 01:14:50,599
to pay goog to serve

2362
01:14:52,818 --> 01:14:53,068
Google or a large customer and

2363
01:14:53,552 --> 01:14:53,802
they pay rates that produce 1

2364
01:14:58,323 --> 01:14:58,573
3 $0 that30 dollars increment is

2365
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:00,609
the plus that helps to offset

2366
01:15:02,594 --> 01:15:02,844
costs that customcus other

2367
01:15:03,195 --> 01:15:03,445
customers would otherwise pay

2368
01:15:06,632 --> 01:15:06,882
and you've probably seen

2369
01:15:08,333 --> 01:15:08,583
information published in the

2370
01:15:10,335 --> 01:15:10,585
newspaper about the Google

2371
01:15:12,571 --> 01:15:12,821
contract specifically and it's

2372
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:15,290
it's not complete it's not

2373
01:15:17,276 --> 01:15:17,526
and and there is more to the

2374
01:15:18,844 --> 01:15:19,094
story than than what's been

2375
01:15:20,813 --> 01:15:21,063
published but you can use that

2376
01:15:22,881 --> 01:15:23,131
information alone to also

2377
01:15:24,817 --> 01:15:25,067
demonstrate that Google is

2378
01:15:26,585 --> 01:15:26,835
paying the cost to serve them

2379
01:15:28,821 --> 01:15:29,071
plus the amount that it costs

2380
01:15:30,389 --> 01:15:30,639
to serve them as reported was

2381
01:15:32,591 --> 01:15:32,841
1.6 billion the revenues from

2382
01:15:33,192 --> 01:15:33,442
their contract is 2.

2383
01:15:36,361 --> 01:15:36,611
$1 billion the half a billion

2384
01:15:38,363 --> 01:15:38,613
dollar difference is the plus

2385
01:15:39,064 --> 01:15:39,314
that helps bring down costs to

2386
01:15:40,833 --> 01:15:41,083
our other customers and and pay

2387
01:15:42,568 --> 01:15:42,818
costs that our other customers

2388
01:15:43,202 --> 01:15:43,452
would otherwise have to pay

2389
01:15:46,572 --> 01:15:46,822
you've probably seen information

2390
01:15:48,307 --> 01:15:48,557
about the generating Arkansas

2391
01:15:50,576 --> 01:15:50,826
Jobs Act that you passed

2392
01:15:52,544 --> 01:15:52,794
to help support growth in

2393
01:15:54,847 --> 01:15:55,097
Arkansas and as a part of that

2394
01:15:57,049 --> 01:15:57,299
there is a a charge on

2395
01:15:58,851 --> 01:15:59,101
customers bills as we build

2396
01:16:00,586 --> 01:16:00,836
facilities that are approved by

2397
01:16:02,621 --> 01:16:02,871
the publicervice commission and

2398
01:16:04,356 --> 01:16:04,606
the financing cost during

2399
01:16:05,057 --> 01:16:05,307
construction are recovered

2400
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:08,610
through that charge on customers

2401
01:16:09,094 --> 01:16:09,344
bills and by doing that

2402
01:16:12,364 --> 01:16:12,614
customers realize the benefit of

2403
01:16:13,098 --> 01:16:13,348
a gradual change in rates rather

2404
01:16:13,766 --> 01:16:14,016
than a large

2405
01:16:16,568 --> 01:16:16,818
change in rates all at once and

2406
01:16:18,570 --> 01:16:18,820
then on the back end by paying

2407
01:16:19,304 --> 01:16:19,554
those financing costs during

2408
01:16:20,572 --> 01:16:20,822
construction they don't pay

2409
01:16:22,341 --> 01:16:22,591
those financing costs over the

2410
01:16:24,576 --> 01:16:24,826
life of the asset which results

2411
01:16:26,345 --> 01:16:26,595
in a long term savings to

2412
01:16:28,881 --> 01:16:29,131
customers and our customers are

2413
01:16:31,150 --> 01:16:31,400
seeing on the generating

2414
01:16:34,353 --> 01:16:34,603
arkansas Jobs Act costs

2415
01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:35,103
associated with financing the

2416
01:16:36,588 --> 01:16:36,838
construction of the irronwood

2417
01:16:38,824 --> 01:16:39,074
facility in Hot Spring County

2418
01:16:40,859 --> 01:16:41,109
the Jeffersonoweration in

2419
01:16:42,895 --> 01:16:43,145
Jefferson County and the cypress

2420
01:16:44,897 --> 01:16:45,147
solar facility that's also

2421
01:16:46,598 --> 01:16:46,848
located in Jefferson County and

2422
01:16:48,333 --> 01:16:48,583
those charges are on the

2423
01:16:50,335 --> 01:16:50,585
customer's bills because those

2424
01:16:51,336 --> 01:16:51,586
resources serve all of our

2425
01:16:54,339 --> 01:16:54,589
customers and particularly

2426
01:16:56,642 --> 01:16:56,892
the the cyprus solar facility

2427
01:16:58,644 --> 01:16:58,894
will provide energy cost savings

2428
01:16:59,378 --> 01:16:59,628
over the life of that fac

2429
01:17:02,347 --> 01:17:02,597
il ity in the neighborhood of

2430
01:17:04,883 --> 01:17:05,133
245 to650 million dollars that

2431
01:17:06,852 --> 01:17:07,102
our customers will see over the

2432
01:17:10,355 --> 01:17:10,605
life of that facility and when

2433
01:17:11,123 --> 01:17:11,373
Google begins operating the

2434
01:17:13,091 --> 01:17:13,341
revenues that they produce will

2435
01:17:15,093 --> 01:17:15,343
more than offset the amounts

2436
01:17:16,628 --> 01:17:16,878
that our customers are paying

2437
01:17:18,363 --> 01:17:18,613
through the generating Arkansas

2438
01:17:19,131 --> 01:17:19,381
Jobs Act that's a part again

2439
01:17:20,599 --> 01:17:20,849
that's part of the plus

2440
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:21,650
associated with our fair share

2441
01:17:24,336 --> 01:17:24,586
plus contracting with data

2442
01:17:26,605 --> 01:17:26,855
center customers and so with

2443
01:17:28,340 --> 01:17:28,590
that and in the interest of time

2444
01:17:29,007 --> 01:17:29,257
David and I are available to

2445
01:17:32,477 --> 01:17:32,727
to answer questions that you may

2446
01:17:33,145 --> 01:17:33,395
have of us

2447
01:17:36,682 --> 01:17:36,932
thank you Mr Prethel

2448
01:17:39,084 --> 01:17:39,334
know this is a shock to you but

2449
01:17:42,321 --> 01:17:42,571
I do have some questions I

2450
01:17:44,556 --> 01:17:44,806
have been following the

2451
01:17:46,358 --> 01:17:46,608
things going on that reported in

2452
01:17:48,594 --> 01:17:48,844
the Democrat Gazette starting

2453
01:17:50,629 --> 01:17:50,879
with the fact that you

2454
01:17:52,865 --> 01:17:53,115
folks didn't seem particularly

2455
01:17:54,366 --> 01:17:54,616
happy about the fact that there

2456
01:17:56,335 --> 01:17:56,585
was a foia request made to the

2457
01:17:58,604 --> 01:17:58,854
pSC and they received some inf

2458
01:18:00,339 --> 01:18:00,589
some people received some

2459
01:18:02,808 --> 01:18:03,058
information related to this

2460
01:18:06,612 --> 01:18:06,862
and I'm I would be remiss if

2461
01:18:07,179 --> 01:18:07,429
I didn't say I'm disappointed

2462
01:18:10,849 --> 01:18:11,099
to seegy suing in federal court

2463
01:18:14,319 --> 01:18:14,569
over a first amendment issue but

2464
01:18:16,355 --> 01:18:16,605
Juge Ruowsky seemed to at

2465
01:18:18,357 --> 01:18:18,607
least for the time being kick

2466
01:18:20,592 --> 01:18:20,842
that can down the road and I

2467
01:18:23,061 --> 01:18:23,311
guess to the extent you can

2468
01:18:24,830 --> 01:18:25,080
comment on this and I don't

2469
01:18:27,099 --> 01:18:27,349
badger witnesses to comment on

2470
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:28,850
something that's in litigation

2471
01:18:30,335 --> 01:18:30,585
but this is unprecedented I've

2472
01:18:31,069 --> 01:18:31,319
never seen anything quite like

2473
01:18:33,105 --> 01:18:33,355
this where you know someone came

2474
01:18:36,308 --> 01:18:36,558
in and and even my understanding

2475
01:18:37,042 --> 01:18:37,292
and again correct me if I have

2476
01:18:37,709 --> 01:18:37,959
this information

2477
01:18:40,345 --> 01:18:40,595
wrong that's why I'm saying

2478
01:18:40,979 --> 01:18:41,229
we're gonna come back inoctober

2479
01:18:41,647 --> 01:18:41,897
and look at this a little more

2480
01:18:42,281 --> 01:18:42,531
carefully but

2481
01:18:45,117 --> 01:18:45,367
did anrogy in their

2482
01:18:50,355 --> 01:18:50,605
filing specifically ask the

2483
01:18:52,557 --> 01:18:52,807
judge to have the Democrat

2484
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:55,610
Gazette remove the information

2485
01:18:56,495 --> 01:18:56,745
that was published from their

2486
01:18:57,162 --> 01:18:57,412
website

2487
01:19:00,866 --> 01:19:01,116
I I'll try to take that and

2488
01:19:02,467 --> 01:19:02,717
thank you for the question

2489
01:19:03,035 --> 01:19:03,285
senator Johnson

2490
01:19:06,338 --> 01:19:06,588
let me go back and and

2491
01:19:08,807 --> 01:19:09,057
reframe it a little because we

2492
01:19:11,043 --> 01:19:11,293
didn't sue on behalf or have an

2493
01:19:12,844 --> 01:19:13,094
issue with a foia request to a

2494
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:15,130
state agency that was not our

2495
01:19:17,249 --> 01:19:17,499
issue I I believe state agencies

2496
01:19:17,916 --> 01:19:18,166
respond to those all the time

2497
01:19:20,852 --> 01:19:21,102
when we were made aware of the

2498
01:19:22,587 --> 01:19:22,837
information that was obtained

2499
01:19:24,556 --> 01:19:24,806
through the foia it was clear to

2500
01:19:25,324 --> 01:19:25,574
us that some of that information

2501
01:19:28,360 --> 01:19:28,610
was was protected pursuant to a

2502
01:19:29,061 --> 01:19:29,311
protective order at the APSC

2503
01:19:32,631 --> 01:19:32,881
that was the basis of our

2504
01:19:34,366 --> 01:19:34,616
request to federal court was to

2505
01:19:36,368 --> 01:19:36,618
keep that information that is

2506
01:19:38,337 --> 01:19:38,587
subject to that protective order

2507
01:19:39,104 --> 01:19:39,354
from public disclosure

2508
01:19:42,341 --> 01:19:42,591
and the judge disagreed on the

2509
01:19:43,108 --> 01:19:43,358
basis of some First amendment

2510
01:19:43,709 --> 01:19:43,959
arguments that I couldn't

2511
01:19:44,242 --> 01:19:44,492
articulate

2512
01:19:46,845 --> 01:19:47,095
but that was the only basis we

2513
01:19:48,613 --> 01:19:48,863
were seeking to protect

2514
01:19:50,615 --> 01:19:50,865
confidential information that

2515
01:19:52,351 --> 01:19:52,601
would not have otherwise been

2516
01:19:54,586 --> 01:19:54,836
publicly disclosed but for the

2517
01:19:56,888 --> 01:19:57,138
inadvertent release but it was

2518
01:19:59,157 --> 01:19:59,407
released and did did y'all ask

2519
01:20:00,659 --> 01:20:00,909
in your or and this is something

2520
01:20:02,361 --> 01:20:02,611
that's in writing it's not like

2521
01:20:04,363 --> 01:20:04,613
you you whispered it or anything

2522
01:20:08,333 --> 01:20:08,583
did you ask that Juge Rudowsky

2523
01:20:08,967 --> 01:20:09,217
in his order tell

2524
01:20:11,003 --> 01:20:11,253
the Democrat gazette to take it

2525
01:20:12,804 --> 01:20:13,054
off their website where I mean

2526
01:20:13,505 --> 01:20:13,755
it's already been published they

2527
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:15,090
even some people might may not

2528
01:20:16,375 --> 01:20:16,625
know this but they actually do

2529
01:20:17,109 --> 01:20:17,359
have paper versions you can go

2530
01:20:19,111 --> 01:20:19,361
buy if you want one I mean I get

2531
01:20:22,347 --> 01:20:22,597
mine Monday through or Sunday

2532
01:20:23,048 --> 01:20:23,298
Monday through Saturday

2533
01:20:24,850 --> 01:20:25,100
electronically but there

2534
01:20:26,852 --> 01:20:27,102
actually is a paper copy did did

2535
01:20:29,054 --> 01:20:29,304
is that correct or did I

2536
01:20:32,357 --> 01:20:32,607
misunderstand that I I would say

2537
01:20:34,593 --> 01:20:34,843
we made two requests was to the

2538
01:20:36,628 --> 01:20:36,878
extent that could be redacted in

2539
01:20:37,362 --> 01:20:37,612
some form even though public

2540
01:20:38,530 --> 01:20:38,780
disclosure was largely to your

2541
01:20:39,197 --> 01:20:39,447
point

2542
01:20:42,334 --> 01:20:42,584
already made on that information

2543
01:20:43,368 --> 01:20:43,618
yes we were asking for the

2544
01:20:44,870 --> 01:20:45,120
judge's direction on how that

2545
01:20:46,605 --> 01:20:46,855
could be accomplished but we're

2546
01:20:47,272 --> 01:20:47,522
also aware that there was

2547
01:20:50,342 --> 01:20:50,592
additional information that was

2548
01:20:52,344 --> 01:20:52,594
also released in that foyer that

2549
01:20:54,346 --> 01:20:54,596
had not yet been made public and

2550
01:20:55,414 --> 01:20:55,664
we were also focused on ensuring

2551
01:20:57,115 --> 01:20:57,365
that that information did not

2552
01:20:59,117 --> 01:20:59,367
subsequently get released it was

2553
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:01,369
twofold and the judge did deny

2554
01:21:03,121 --> 01:21:03,371
at least and this this is all

2555
01:21:04,623 --> 01:21:04,873
temporary I know you haven't had

2556
01:21:06,358 --> 01:21:06,608
a long drawn out trial about

2557
01:21:07,392 --> 01:21:07,642
this but he did deny a request

2558
01:21:08,460 --> 01:21:08,710
to order the

2559
01:21:12,631 --> 01:21:12,881
newspaper to to redact that or

2560
01:21:13,365 --> 01:21:13,615
to take it off their website

2561
01:21:14,599 --> 01:21:14,849
that is that my understanding

2562
01:21:16,835 --> 01:21:17,085
correct yes sir and senator the

2563
01:21:19,037 --> 01:21:19,287
information was inadvertently

2564
01:21:22,307 --> 01:21:22,557
released in response to the

2565
01:21:22,941 --> 01:21:23,191
freedom of Information Act

2566
01:21:24,609 --> 01:21:24,859
request. It was information that

2567
01:21:25,343 --> 01:21:25,593
as Mr Palmer pointed out was

2568
01:21:26,812 --> 01:21:27,062
covered by a protective order

2569
01:21:28,613 --> 01:21:28,863
because it was customer specific

2570
01:21:30,615 --> 01:21:30,865
commercially sensitive

2571
01:21:32,851 --> 01:21:33,101
information that warranted

2572
01:21:34,853 --> 01:21:35,103
protection from disclosure as

2573
01:21:35,454 --> 01:21:35,704
determined by the

2574
01:21:36,822 --> 01:21:37,072
publiclicervice commission and

2575
01:21:38,490 --> 01:21:38,740
also we would take the same

2576
01:21:39,057 --> 01:21:39,307
approach

2577
01:21:42,327 --> 01:21:42,577
to any customer's information it

2578
01:21:43,395 --> 01:21:43,645
is our obligation under law and

2579
01:21:46,364 --> 01:21:46,614
it is our obligation to take

2580
01:21:47,132 --> 01:21:47,382
care of information that we have

2581
01:21:48,867 --> 01:21:49,117
that's customerc specific and

2582
01:21:50,836 --> 01:21:51,086
not to have that be disclosed

2583
01:21:53,071 --> 01:21:53,321
that was the the issue it was

2584
01:21:54,840 --> 01:21:55,090
not a matter of challenging

2585
01:21:55,474 --> 01:21:55,724
whether a freedom of information

2586
01:21:57,175 --> 01:21:57,425
actct request is appropriate or

2587
01:21:58,877 --> 01:21:59,127
not it was a fact that

2588
01:22:00,645 --> 01:22:00,895
information that shouldn't have

2589
01:22:02,614 --> 01:22:02,864
been released in the response

2590
01:22:04,616 --> 01:22:04,866
was released and it was trying

2591
01:22:06,318 --> 01:22:06,568
to protect information that's

2592
01:22:07,385 --> 01:22:07,635
customer specific just like we

2593
01:22:08,487 --> 01:22:08,737
would do for any other customer

2594
01:22:09,855 --> 01:22:10,105
that we serve

2595
01:22:13,125 --> 01:22:13,375
well and appreciate that and and

2596
01:22:15,127 --> 01:22:15,377
being one of your customers

2597
01:22:16,661 --> 01:22:16,911
I would want you to

2598
01:22:18,897 --> 01:22:19,147
talk about my information

2599
01:22:20,899 --> 01:22:21,149
although I did bring my last

2600
01:22:22,334 --> 01:22:22,584
bill and I have a couple of

2601
01:22:22,968 --> 01:22:23,218
questions of you

2602
01:22:26,805 --> 01:22:27,055
the and again as I said we're

2603
01:22:28,607 --> 01:22:28,857
gonna come back to this in in

2604
01:22:34,346 --> 01:22:34,596
inoctober but I have had pardon

2605
01:22:35,313 --> 01:22:35,563
me for saying it this way I have

2606
01:22:38,617 --> 01:22:38,867
had problem digesting this stuff

2607
01:22:39,317 --> 01:22:39,567
I I'm the chairman of this

2608
01:22:40,852 --> 01:22:41,102
committee I've served on it

2609
01:22:42,354 --> 01:22:42,604
since I've been in the general

2610
01:22:45,023 --> 01:22:45,273
assembly and this whole thing

2611
01:22:47,092 --> 01:22:47,342
starting with generating

2612
01:22:48,860 --> 01:22:49,110
Arkansas Jobs Act and

2613
01:22:52,397 --> 01:22:52,647
subsequently is I've it boggles

2614
01:22:53,131 --> 01:22:53,381
my mind sometimes to to

2615
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:55,150
figure this out to sound like

2616
01:22:56,601 --> 01:22:56,851
it's like with Abbott and

2617
01:22:58,336 --> 01:22:58,586
Costello it's who's on first and

2618
01:23:00,338 --> 01:23:00,588
who's on second and I've had

2619
01:23:01,106 --> 01:23:01,356
constituents that they're are

2620
01:23:04,342 --> 01:23:04,592
pretty intelligent and smart

2621
01:23:05,310 --> 01:23:05,560
people they try to come up and

2622
01:23:06,611 --> 01:23:06,861
they say that it looks like a

2623
01:23:08,580 --> 01:23:08,830
shell game to them first

2624
01:23:10,815 --> 01:23:11,065
thing I want to ask about is

2625
01:23:13,084 --> 01:23:13,334
in the and I'm I'm gonna use

2626
01:23:15,053 --> 01:23:15,303
this figure contested if you

2627
01:23:18,623 --> 01:23:18,873
wish the577 dollars monthly fee

2628
01:23:20,625 --> 01:23:20,875
for the three power generation

2629
01:23:22,661 --> 01:23:22,911
projects you referred to I

2630
01:23:23,228 --> 01:23:23,478
got my

2631
01:23:23,728 --> 01:23:23,978
bill.

2632
01:23:25,230 --> 01:23:25,480
this is my latest bill

2633
01:23:29,167 --> 01:23:29,417
and my if you if y'all haven't

2634
01:23:30,602 --> 01:23:30,852
ever looked at your bill look on

2635
01:23:32,337 --> 01:23:32,587
page two if you have an energy

2636
01:23:33,104 --> 01:23:33,354
bill and it'll say current

2637
01:23:34,839 --> 01:23:35,089
charges and then it'll sayy

2638
01:23:36,575 --> 01:23:36,825
charges and after at the bottom

2639
01:23:38,610 --> 01:23:38,860
it says the generating Arkansas

2640
01:23:40,879 --> 01:23:41,129
Jobs Act well mine wasn't you

2641
01:23:43,148 --> 01:23:43,398
know, uh5 dollars77 cents it was

2642
01:23:44,950 --> 01:23:45,200
$22.81

2643
01:23:50,589 --> 01:23:50,839
now I know that it's been hot

2644
01:23:52,357 --> 01:23:52,607
and I know that maybe I have a

2645
01:23:54,326 --> 01:23:54,576
bigger house but still that's a

2646
01:23:56,861 --> 01:23:57,111
whole lot more money and I don't

2647
01:23:57,529 --> 01:23:57,779
know where you came up with

2648
01:23:59,130 --> 01:23:59,380
the577 I assume that's some kind

2649
01:24:00,865 --> 01:24:01,115
of an average or a median

2650
01:24:02,834 --> 01:24:03,084
because there's obviously there

2651
01:24:04,336 --> 01:24:04,586
may be somebody out there paying

2652
01:24:06,805 --> 01:24:07,055
less than5 dollars77 cents can

2653
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:08,890
you spread some light on this

2654
01:24:12,611 --> 01:24:12,861
sheriff senator let me try as

2655
01:24:14,846 --> 01:24:15,096
you noted usage is up right now

2656
01:24:16,581 --> 01:24:16,831
because of the heat right

2657
01:24:18,850 --> 01:24:19,100
residential customers pay a

2658
01:24:21,086 --> 01:24:21,336
volumetric rate meaning you pay

2659
01:24:23,088 --> 01:24:23,338
per usage. You heard Miss Wilson

2660
01:24:24,723 --> 01:24:24,973
describe how some customers pay

2661
01:24:25,390 --> 01:24:25,640
a demand charge

2662
01:24:28,627 --> 01:24:28,877
you're only paying a rate that's

2663
01:24:30,362 --> 01:24:30,612
expressed in terms ofcents per

2664
01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:32,614
kilowatt hour so if you're using

2665
01:24:33,064 --> 01:24:33,314
a lot you're going to pay more

2666
01:24:34,899 --> 01:24:35,149
we have for

2667
01:24:38,837 --> 01:24:39,087
I'll say decades utility has

2668
01:24:40,872 --> 01:24:41,122
quoted our rates on an impact of

2669
01:24:44,342 --> 01:24:44,592
1000 kilowatt hours of usage. so

2670
01:24:46,845 --> 01:24:47,095
the5 dollars77 cents is quoted

2671
01:24:48,647 --> 01:24:48,897
as on 1000 kilowatt hours

2672
01:24:52,317 --> 01:24:52,567
so if yours is four times that

2673
01:24:53,084 --> 01:24:53,334
amount then you've got4 times

2674
01:24:55,287 --> 01:24:55,537
more usage than the way we quote

2675
01:24:55,954 --> 01:24:56,204
our standard rate

2676
01:25:00,625 --> 01:25:00,875
mine says3,974 kilowatt hours

2677
01:25:02,594 --> 01:25:02,844
during that billing period and

2678
01:25:04,362 --> 01:25:04,612
it says the rate is the

2679
01:25:08,667 --> 01:25:08,917
difference000574 which is about

2680
01:25:09,501 --> 01:25:09,751
ive

2681
01:25:13,238 --> 01:25:13,488
well a little over half a penny

2682
01:25:16,841 --> 01:25:17,091
per kwh that's that's how I'm

2683
01:25:20,378 --> 01:25:20,628
looking at but again we're gonna

2684
01:25:21,046 --> 01:25:21,296
we're gonna

2685
01:25:22,614 --> 01:25:22,864
I'm not gonna drag this thing

2686
01:25:24,316 --> 01:25:24,566
out but we're gonna look at this

2687
01:25:25,083 --> 01:25:25,333
once I actually have a chance to

2688
01:25:26,818 --> 01:25:27,068
read all this stuff hear from

2689
01:25:28,887 --> 01:25:29,137
the pSC and and and and come

2690
01:25:30,855 --> 01:25:31,105
back on this and I guess I will

2691
01:25:32,590 --> 01:25:32,840
finalize what I'm doing and and

2692
01:25:33,391 --> 01:25:33,641
we've got people in the queue

2693
01:25:41,332 --> 01:25:41,582
how much of that of my $22.81 is

2694
01:25:44,803 --> 01:25:45,053
paying for Google or any other

2695
01:25:48,340 --> 01:25:48,590
data center or shall we say

2696
01:25:50,642 --> 01:25:50,892
large customer because that's

2697
01:25:51,309 --> 01:25:51,559
certainly a

2698
01:25:55,046 --> 01:25:55,296
an issue that has been debated

2699
01:25:57,082 --> 01:25:57,332
both directions and you're

2700
01:25:58,850 --> 01:25:59,100
talking about how they're paying

2701
01:26:00,618 --> 01:26:00,868
for it but you know when this

2702
01:26:02,854 --> 01:26:03,104
bill came up and you remember I

2703
01:26:05,123 --> 01:26:05,373
called it a cost shift I said

2704
01:26:06,858 --> 01:26:07,108
you're you know the old days

2705
01:26:10,595 --> 01:26:10,845
before you had the writer

2706
01:26:12,364 --> 01:26:12,614
your company would go to the

2707
01:26:13,098 --> 01:26:13,348
capital markets whether it's

2708
01:26:16,334 --> 01:26:16,584
issuing bonds or or you go to

2709
01:26:18,837 --> 01:26:19,087
New York banks or or get

2710
01:26:20,672 --> 01:26:20,922
your stockholder equity to pay

2711
01:26:21,373 --> 01:26:21,623
for but

2712
01:26:22,841 --> 01:26:23,091
you know the facility that

2713
01:26:26,311 --> 01:26:26,561
generates power you guys paid

2714
01:26:29,114 --> 01:26:29,364
for and now we the ratepayers

2715
01:26:30,615 --> 01:26:30,865
you know and some of us may not

2716
01:26:31,249 --> 01:26:31,499
live long enough to see these

2717
01:26:33,118 --> 01:26:33,368
plants finished are paying for

2718
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:35,370
it right now now some of the

2719
01:26:37,188 --> 01:26:37,438
justification is well we don't

2720
01:26:38,356 --> 01:26:38,606
want to hit everybody with a

2721
01:26:40,625 --> 01:26:40,875
great big bill all at once well

2722
01:26:42,394 --> 01:26:42,644
for 100 years we've been doing

2723
01:26:44,362 --> 01:26:44,612
it this way why is it suddenly

2724
01:26:45,130 --> 01:26:45,380
not gonna work to use the

2725
01:26:49,134 --> 01:26:49,384
traditional model where if

2726
01:26:50,635 --> 01:26:50,885
you're a private company a

2727
01:26:51,202 --> 01:26:51,452
regulated

2728
01:26:53,104 --> 01:26:53,354
utility you get a guaranteed

2729
01:26:56,341 --> 01:26:56,591
rate of return determined by the

2730
01:26:59,043 --> 01:26:59,293
pSC and but you you know you

2731
01:27:02,347 --> 01:27:02,597
pay your own upfront cost if if

2732
01:27:03,081 --> 01:27:03,331
Sam Walton wanted to move to my

2733
01:27:04,849 --> 01:27:05,099
come to my hometown of Conway

2734
01:27:06,851 --> 01:27:07,101
which he did a long time ago and

2735
01:27:10,321 --> 01:27:10,571
built a Walmart store he

2736
01:27:11,122 --> 01:27:11,372
didn't ask the customers to

2737
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:12,640
start paying up front before

2738
01:27:14,392 --> 01:27:14,642
they bought the first you know

2739
01:27:16,628 --> 01:27:16,878
shirt or pair of socks in

2740
01:27:18,630 --> 01:27:18,880
that Walmart and and this but

2741
01:27:20,365 --> 01:27:20,615
this is what we're doing now and

2742
01:27:21,099 --> 01:27:21,349
it's it's a cost shift that I'm

2743
01:27:21,833 --> 01:27:22,083
I'm

2744
01:27:24,803 --> 01:27:25,053
I'm not sure it completely

2745
01:27:28,306 --> 01:27:28,556
parallels this issue with data

2746
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:29,290
centers although obviously they

2747
01:27:31,276 --> 01:27:31,526
are a big industry a big user of

2748
01:27:32,844 --> 01:27:33,094
power and you guys are dealing

2749
01:27:34,345 --> 01:27:34,595
with them and thank you for

2750
01:27:36,347 --> 01:27:36,597
doing that because I support the

2751
01:27:38,583 --> 01:27:38,833
data centers both for our

2752
01:27:40,351 --> 01:27:40,601
competitive factors with our

2753
01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:41,369
adversaries around the world and

2754
01:27:43,354 --> 01:27:43,604
the fact that you know I've got

2755
01:27:44,622 --> 01:27:44,872
one of these things and I want

2756
01:27:48,393 --> 01:27:48,643
it to work but I'm I just

2757
01:27:50,361 --> 01:27:50,611
want to know is is you know

2758
01:27:50,962 --> 01:27:51,212
suddenly I've got another extra

2759
01:27:51,629 --> 01:27:51,879
$22.81 and how does this

2760
01:27:56,334 --> 01:27:56,584
all tie together under the

2761
01:27:57,035 --> 01:27:57,285
legislation and under the charts

2762
01:27:58,803 --> 01:27:59,053
that's on your bill you're

2763
01:28:00,338 --> 01:28:00,588
paying costs that you would

2764
01:28:00,972 --> 01:28:01,222
otherwise pay under the

2765
01:28:02,841 --> 01:28:03,091
traditional method under the new

2766
01:28:04,375 --> 01:28:04,625
method that was approved under

2767
01:28:06,344 --> 01:28:06,594
the generating Arkansas Jobs Act

2768
01:28:07,078 --> 01:28:07,328
you're paying the financing

2769
01:28:08,613 --> 01:28:08,863
costs associated with

2770
01:28:10,615 --> 01:28:10,865
construction during construction

2771
01:28:12,851 --> 01:28:13,101
under the traditional historic

2772
01:28:14,385 --> 01:28:14,635
method that was in place before

2773
01:28:16,354 --> 01:28:16,604
that we would spend the dollars

2774
01:28:18,623 --> 01:28:18,873
accumulate those costs add that

2775
01:28:19,257 --> 01:28:19,507
to what the cost of the plant

2776
01:28:21,392 --> 01:28:21,642
was that we put into service and

2777
01:28:22,060 --> 01:28:22,310
customers would pay those ex

2778
01:28:24,863 --> 01:28:25,113
act same costs plus interest

2779
01:28:26,831 --> 01:28:27,081
over the life of the asset which

2780
01:28:29,067 --> 01:28:29,317
cost more than paying those

2781
01:28:31,336 --> 01:28:31,586
costs on the front end during

2782
01:28:32,871 --> 01:28:33,121
construction and not paying them

2783
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:34,889
on the back end as I talked

2784
01:28:36,341 --> 01:28:36,591
about earlier it's a it's the

2785
01:28:37,075 --> 01:28:37,325
same cost but it's a timing

2786
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:39,060
difference it saves money in

2787
01:28:40,845 --> 01:28:41,095
financing costs that customers

2788
01:28:42,580 --> 01:28:42,830
pay and it saves money and what

2789
01:28:43,314 --> 01:28:43,564
actually comes out of their

2790
01:28:44,849 --> 01:28:45,099
pocket over the time that the

2791
01:28:46,484 --> 01:28:46,734
assets in service serving them

2792
01:28:49,153 --> 01:28:49,403
and the assets that are

2793
01:28:50,889 --> 01:28:51,139
included the three power plants

2794
01:28:52,657 --> 01:28:52,907
currently are going to serve all

2795
01:28:53,358 --> 01:28:53,608
of our customers

2796
01:28:55,126 --> 01:28:55,376
well I guess I'm trying to

2797
01:28:58,596 --> 01:28:58,846
differentiate how much of this

2798
01:29:00,598 --> 01:29:00,848
comes from in this case we're

2799
01:29:02,567 --> 01:29:02,817
talking about Google is one but

2800
01:29:04,602 --> 01:29:04,852
we know there are others and

2801
01:29:06,604 --> 01:29:06,854
how much is just the the usual

2802
01:29:10,341 --> 01:29:10,591
growth because we're

2803
01:29:12,343 --> 01:29:12,593
again I I've talked long enough

2804
01:29:13,111 --> 01:29:13,361
I'm gonna move on and let some

2805
01:29:14,879 --> 01:29:15,129
other people ask questions and

2806
01:29:16,447 --> 01:29:16,697
first up ispresentative meeks

2807
01:29:18,850 --> 01:29:19,100
whoop thank you Mr Chairman.

2808
01:29:20,585 --> 01:29:20,835
well we're far right. so I

2809
01:29:22,353 --> 01:29:22,603
just had a follow up question on

2810
01:29:23,388 --> 01:29:23,638
the solar facility that's being

2811
01:29:24,656 --> 01:29:24,906
built to help support this

2812
01:29:25,256 --> 01:29:25,506
project.

2813
01:29:28,593 --> 01:29:28,843
is there going to be any battery

2814
01:29:32,597 --> 01:29:32,847
storage added to that

2815
01:29:33,398 --> 01:29:33,648
solar project because I know one

2816
01:29:34,666 --> 01:29:34,916
of the concerns that have been

2817
01:29:36,668 --> 01:29:36,918
mentioned before is the demand

2818
01:29:37,302 --> 01:29:37,552
response what happens if we get

2819
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:39,120
into an emergency situation

2820
01:29:41,139 --> 01:29:41,389
obviously having that backup

2821
01:29:43,174 --> 01:29:43,424
energy available would go a long

2822
01:29:44,842 --> 01:29:45,092
way towards helping to relieve

2823
01:29:46,578 --> 01:29:46,828
that issue so just curious if

2824
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:49,130
that was part of the the the

2825
01:29:52,350 --> 01:29:52,600
plan here. yes re it is it's

2826
01:29:54,586 --> 01:29:54,836
a600 megawatt solar facility and

2827
01:29:55,286 --> 01:29:55,536
a350 megawatt battery

2828
01:29:58,923 --> 01:29:59,173
energy storage system be part of

2829
01:29:59,591 --> 01:29:59,841
it ok right thank you

2830
01:30:02,927 --> 01:30:03,177
senator Mcee you're

2831
01:30:03,361 --> 01:30:03,611
recognized

2832
01:30:06,364 --> 01:30:06,614
thank you Mr Chairman. thanks

2833
01:30:08,366 --> 01:30:08,616
for being here appreciate you

2834
01:30:10,568 --> 01:30:10,818
so my my concerns surrounding

2835
01:30:12,337 --> 01:30:12,587
the the use of the rider for

2836
01:30:13,104 --> 01:30:13,354
this project whether it's

2837
01:30:15,106 --> 01:30:15,356
cypress solar is is maybe you

2838
01:30:16,874 --> 01:30:17,124
can help me understand why

2839
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:19,360
entergy decided to take the

2840
01:30:20,478 --> 01:30:20,728
contributions made by Google

2841
01:30:22,614 --> 01:30:22,864
and apply them as other

2842
01:30:24,349 --> 01:30:24,599
contributions instead of kayak

2843
01:30:26,351 --> 01:30:26,601
payments and help help me

2844
01:30:26,951 --> 01:30:27,201
understand the process of why

2845
01:30:28,686 --> 01:30:28,936
that why that benefits

2846
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:29,370
ratepayers

2847
01:30:32,357 --> 01:30:32,607
because unfortunately I don't

2848
01:30:32,957 --> 01:30:33,207
think that's how most ratepayers

2849
01:30:33,625 --> 01:30:33,875
look at that

2850
01:30:36,594 --> 01:30:36,844
right and thank you and it's it

2851
01:30:37,261 --> 01:30:37,511
is a little hard to explain also

2852
01:30:40,832 --> 01:30:41,082
so if I could maybe take it in

2853
01:30:42,867 --> 01:30:43,117
pieces so if you if you step

2854
01:30:44,335 --> 01:30:44,585
back and think about the

2855
01:30:45,103 --> 01:30:45,353
timeline that Miss Wilson

2856
01:30:46,604 --> 01:30:46,854
explained you know they're

2857
01:30:47,205 --> 01:30:47,455
they're actively pursuing

2858
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:49,090
construction of their facility

2859
01:30:51,142 --> 01:30:51,392
with an expected in service date

2860
01:30:53,111 --> 01:30:53,361
sometime next year with some

2861
01:30:54,879 --> 01:30:55,129
level of needing to add their

2862
01:30:56,614 --> 01:30:56,864
load in increments as they ramp

2863
01:30:57,281 --> 01:30:57,531
up their

2864
01:30:59,150 --> 01:30:59,400
data product whatever it is

2865
01:30:59,684 --> 01:30:59,934
their ramp

2866
01:31:04,589 --> 01:31:04,839
we're faced with needing to get

2867
01:31:06,624 --> 01:31:06,874
the facility under construction

2868
01:31:08,593 --> 01:31:08,843
and completed because we need it

2869
01:31:10,561 --> 01:31:10,811
to sync up with the load coming

2870
01:31:12,830 --> 01:31:13,080
online. we also are pursuing

2871
01:31:14,365 --> 01:31:14,615
advantages through the tax code

2872
01:31:15,066 --> 01:31:15,316
so we get tax credits for that

2873
01:31:16,601 --> 01:31:16,851
facility that there are

2874
01:31:18,603 --> 01:31:18,853
requirements that have shifted

2875
01:31:20,638 --> 01:31:20,888
even before even as we were

2876
01:31:21,205 --> 01:31:21,455
negotiating with Google

2877
01:31:22,373 --> 01:31:22,623
so

2878
01:31:24,609 --> 01:31:24,859
from a timing standpoint we're

2879
01:31:26,344 --> 01:31:26,594
faced with what we've got to get

2880
01:31:27,111 --> 01:31:27,361
the construction started. We

2881
01:31:28,846 --> 01:31:29,096
need the financial support to

2882
01:31:30,581 --> 01:31:30,831
for the construction of the

2883
01:31:32,583 --> 01:31:32,833
project there's also this build

2884
01:31:33,284 --> 01:31:33,534
out that Google's gonna have to

2885
01:31:34,886 --> 01:31:35,136
do before they're actually

2886
01:31:36,487 --> 01:31:36,737
spinning that meter and paying

2887
01:31:37,155 --> 01:31:37,405
those rates

2888
01:31:40,591 --> 01:31:40,841
so so the the rider became the

2889
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:42,610
mechanism for cost recovery

2890
01:31:44,595 --> 01:31:44,845
which included what Mr. Bethel

2891
01:31:45,263 --> 01:31:45,513
just described which was to go

2892
01:31:45,897 --> 01:31:46,147
ahead and

2893
01:31:48,399 --> 01:31:48,649
begin recovering some of the

2894
01:31:50,468 --> 01:31:50,718
financing cost support for that

2895
01:31:51,135 --> 01:31:51,385
resource which again

2896
01:31:54,338 --> 01:31:54,588
all of the energy cost savings

2897
01:31:56,607 --> 01:31:56,857
go to all customers as well so

2898
01:31:58,609 --> 01:31:58,859
there's a bit of a you you're

2899
01:32:00,344 --> 01:32:00,594
paying for all the costs but

2900
01:32:01,112 --> 01:32:01,362
you're also getting all the

2901
01:32:04,348 --> 01:32:04,598
benefits what we further did was

2902
01:32:06,350 --> 01:32:06,600
design Google's rates where they

2903
01:32:08,352 --> 01:32:08,602
would cover the full cost of

2904
01:32:10,621 --> 01:32:10,871
their service so there may be a

2905
01:32:12,623 --> 01:32:12,873
line item on the bill that says

2906
01:32:14,892 --> 01:32:15,142
here's a cost that they caused

2907
01:32:16,394 --> 01:32:16,644
but their rates are designed to

2908
01:32:18,362 --> 01:32:18,612
more than cover that cost it's

2909
01:32:19,163 --> 01:32:19,413
just individually called out on

2910
01:32:20,665 --> 01:32:20,915
the bill through the writer and

2911
01:32:21,332 --> 01:32:21,582
will that be demons

2912
01:32:23,201 --> 01:32:23,451
tra ted over how many years? I

2913
01:32:25,136 --> 01:32:25,386
mean I I saw the report in

2914
01:32:28,639 --> 01:32:28,889
for the godger rider that you

2915
01:32:30,575 --> 01:32:30,825
filed last month I believe with

2916
01:32:32,610 --> 01:32:32,860
PSC so is that over is that

2917
01:32:33,344 --> 01:32:33,594
over ive years that that happens

2918
01:32:34,846 --> 01:32:35,096
or what what does that look like

2919
01:32:37,148 --> 01:32:37,398
we we we filed the rotter in

2920
01:32:39,117 --> 01:32:39,367
early March. the rates went into

2921
01:32:41,119 --> 01:32:41,369
effect in June and we provide a

2922
01:32:43,154 --> 01:32:43,404
five year forecast to what those

2923
01:32:44,856 --> 01:32:45,106
rates look like but we're

2924
01:32:45,356 --> 01:32:45,606
talking over the life of

2925
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:48,609
Google's entire contract and

2926
01:32:49,127 --> 01:32:49,377
back to your your other question

2927
01:32:50,695 --> 01:32:50,945
relative to the kayak treatment

2928
01:32:51,329 --> 01:32:51,579
or the non kayak

2929
01:32:51,863 --> 01:32:52,113
treatment

2930
01:32:54,632 --> 01:32:54,882
there were advantages both to

2931
01:32:56,334 --> 01:32:56,584
the company and the customer for

2932
01:32:58,336 --> 01:32:58,586
how we approach that single

2933
01:33:00,805 --> 01:33:01,055
question so if you're if I don't

2934
01:33:01,506 --> 01:33:01,756
want to speak on behalf of

2935
01:33:02,073 --> 01:33:02,323
Google but if you are

2936
01:33:04,842 --> 01:33:05,092
if you you know there may be

2937
01:33:06,811 --> 01:33:07,061
accounting or tax reasons why

2938
01:33:08,613 --> 01:33:08,863
you wouldn't want a payment to a

2939
01:33:10,648 --> 01:33:10,898
utility to be a capital payment

2940
01:33:11,315 --> 01:33:11,565
towards an asset

2941
01:33:14,585 --> 01:33:14,835
from our point of view the

2942
01:33:16,621 --> 01:33:16,871
benefits come back either way

2943
01:33:17,221 --> 01:33:17,471
because you're still going

2944
01:33:19,123 --> 01:33:19,373
offset the total cost of that

2945
01:33:20,858 --> 01:33:21,108
resource by that amount it's

2946
01:33:22,860 --> 01:33:23,110
just whether you do it all at

2947
01:33:23,494 --> 01:33:23,744
once or over time

2948
01:33:26,898 --> 01:33:27,148
what we provided in our filing

2949
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:29,350
with the commission was what we

2950
01:33:31,102 --> 01:33:31,352
fully expect we're we see that

2951
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:33,120
the rates because they are

2952
01:33:35,106 --> 01:33:35,356
higher than the cost to serve or

2953
01:33:36,741 --> 01:33:36,991
already putting downward

2954
01:33:37,308 --> 01:33:37,558
pressure on rates

2955
01:33:40,578 --> 01:33:40,828
so that opened the door for

2956
01:33:42,580 --> 01:33:42,830
alternative treatment to further

2957
01:33:44,348 --> 01:33:44,598
spread those benefits benefits

2958
01:33:46,651 --> 01:33:46,901
out over a longer period of time

2959
01:33:48,386 --> 01:33:48,636
ultimately getting to the same

2960
01:33:50,621 --> 01:33:50,871
place but you get same benefits

2961
01:33:52,356 --> 01:33:52,606
for all customers but instead of

2962
01:33:53,090 --> 01:33:53,340
being all at once you get some

2963
01:33:55,092 --> 01:33:55,342
rate smoothing but also now you

2964
01:33:58,396 --> 01:33:58,646
have long term benefits because

2965
01:33:59,130 --> 01:33:59,380
when you when you take whether

2966
01:34:00,865 --> 01:34:01,115
it's5 or600 million dollar

2967
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:02,650
contribution from Google you

2968
01:34:03,034 --> 01:34:03,284
know I think what a lot of

2969
01:34:03,601 --> 01:34:03,851
people expected was

2970
01:34:05,203 --> 01:34:05,453
you don't have to request 1.6

2971
01:34:05,870 --> 01:34:06,120
billion

2972
01:34:10,341 --> 01:34:10,591
you know in rates through the

2973
01:34:11,108 --> 01:34:11,358
rider you you know you just you

2974
01:34:11,776 --> 01:34:12,026
ask for one

2975
01:34:14,612 --> 01:34:14,862
and so that's that's the short

2976
01:34:16,581 --> 01:34:16,831
term thinking right but I think

2977
01:34:18,816 --> 01:34:19,066
that that explains why well we

2978
01:34:20,852 --> 01:34:21,102
we take a step back so what we

2979
01:34:22,587 --> 01:34:22,837
would say is in this example

2980
01:34:24,488 --> 01:34:24,738
instead of 1.6 it would be 2

2981
01:34:25,156 --> 01:34:25,406
billion

2982
01:34:28,359 --> 01:34:28,609
so we're not putting 2 billion

2983
01:34:29,093 --> 01:34:29,343
in rates we're putting 1.6 in

2984
01:34:32,363 --> 01:34:32,613
rates the question is are we

2985
01:34:32,964 --> 01:34:33,214
collecting that rate through the

2986
01:34:34,599 --> 01:34:34,849
roder or through some other

2987
01:34:37,101 --> 01:34:37,351
mechanism either way Google's

2988
01:34:38,636 --> 01:34:38,886
revenues come into the equation

2989
01:34:39,370 --> 01:34:39,620
and they offset all of our cost

2990
01:34:46,344 --> 01:34:46,594
and last question cyprus

2991
01:34:48,346 --> 01:34:48,596
that helps fulfill obligations

2992
01:34:49,113 --> 01:34:49,363
that arose out of the consent

2993
01:34:52,483 --> 01:34:52,733
decreeright that called on the

2994
01:34:53,150 --> 01:34:53,400
cessation of burning coal at

2995
01:34:56,354 --> 01:34:56,604
independence and Whitebluff is

2996
01:34:56,988 --> 01:34:57,238
that help fulfill those

2997
01:34:57,555 --> 01:34:57,805
obligations

2998
01:34:58,890 --> 01:34:59,140
' m recalling the

2999
01:35:02,493 --> 01:35:02,743
don't it wasn't a direct

3000
01:35:05,263 --> 01:35:05,513
reason or justification for it

3001
01:35:05,930 --> 01:35:06,180
to the extent there were

3002
01:35:10,334 --> 01:35:10,584
it's part of the resources

3003
01:35:11,068 --> 01:35:11,318
necessary to replace the the

3004
01:35:13,104 --> 01:35:13,354
generation that we are from

3005
01:35:14,805 --> 01:35:15,055
ceasing to burn coal but it's

3006
01:35:16,841 --> 01:35:17,091
not the it's not the entire

3007
01:35:18,843 --> 01:35:19,093
amount but it's part of our

3008
01:35:22,346 --> 01:35:22,596
our resource mix going forward

3009
01:35:23,047 --> 01:35:23,297
and as you and I have talked

3010
01:35:24,849 --> 01:35:25,099
about we have an adequate

3011
01:35:26,817 --> 01:35:27,067
amount of dispatchable

3012
01:35:28,586 --> 01:35:28,836
generation that's available all

3013
01:35:30,388 --> 01:35:30,638
the time and then the renewable

3014
01:35:32,356 --> 01:35:32,606
resources that we have provide

3015
01:35:34,358 --> 01:35:34,608
fuel cost savings that will help

3016
01:35:35,493 --> 01:35:35,743
all of our customers as well

3017
01:35:36,127 --> 01:35:36,377
thank you gentlemen

3018
01:35:37,061 --> 01:35:37,311
thank you

3019
01:35:40,932 --> 01:35:41,182
Thank you Senator Mcee because

3020
01:35:42,900 --> 01:35:43,150
you you kinda phrased the

3021
01:35:44,335 --> 01:35:44,585
question I had a little more

3022
01:35:46,437 --> 01:35:46,687
succinctly and I appreciate the

3023
01:35:47,104 --> 01:35:47,354
answer on that

3024
01:35:50,741 --> 01:35:50,991
Senator hickey you recognized

3025
01:35:55,079 --> 01:35:55,329
thank you Mr chairir. Mr

3026
01:35:57,048 --> 01:35:57,298
bethel of course we know

3027
01:35:58,482 --> 01:35:58,732
whenever the seawhip bill was

3028
01:35:59,150 --> 01:35:59,400
done that

3029
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:03,170
yourself and some others and

3030
01:36:04,355 --> 01:36:04,605
probably about five or six of us

3031
01:36:06,357 --> 01:36:06,607
sat in my office for hours upon

3032
01:36:07,158 --> 01:36:07,408
hours and what I remember

3033
01:36:10,361 --> 01:36:10,611
from every legislator that was

3034
01:36:11,128 --> 01:36:11,378
in there or basically every

3035
01:36:12,596 --> 01:36:12,846
legislator in there that the

3036
01:36:13,230 --> 01:36:13,480
number one thing that we were

3037
01:36:14,498 --> 01:36:14,748
gonna worry about was ratepayers

3038
01:36:16,867 --> 01:36:17,117
we understood that you all had

3039
01:36:18,836 --> 01:36:19,086
shareholders although you're a

3040
01:36:20,471 --> 01:36:20,721
monopoly you're also a publicly

3041
01:36:21,105 --> 01:36:21,355
traded company.

3042
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:23,290
and that was stated over and

3043
01:36:25,042 --> 01:36:25,292
over and over again and if I

3044
01:36:26,644 --> 01:36:26,894
remember correctly we had a six

3045
01:36:27,311 --> 01:36:27,561
ppage amendment

3046
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:28,729
that went on to this

3047
01:36:31,148 --> 01:36:31,398
and the original one didn't even

3048
01:36:32,850 --> 01:36:33,100
have the psC in there and of

3049
01:36:34,385 --> 01:36:34,635
course you know we've got

3050
01:36:35,152 --> 01:36:35,402
through all this and I've heard

3051
01:36:37,088 --> 01:36:37,338
what some people say, you know,

3052
01:36:38,889 --> 01:36:39,139
you know, I don't

3053
01:36:39,390 --> 01:36:39,640
particularly like this like this

3054
01:36:40,057 --> 01:36:40,307
spill

3055
01:36:42,893 --> 01:36:43,143
but you all sit down there and

3056
01:36:44,628 --> 01:36:44,878
you sit there and you say well

3057
01:36:46,364 --> 01:36:46,614
it's better that we're doing it

3058
01:36:48,399 --> 01:36:48,649
this way because it you know

3059
01:36:50,468 --> 01:36:50,718
it's getting spread out and the

3060
01:36:51,135 --> 01:36:51,385
rates are less

3061
01:36:52,603 --> 01:36:52,853
but in my mind

3062
01:36:56,574 --> 01:36:56,824
I want to see that proved up

3063
01:36:58,976 --> 01:36:59,226
and maybe through the psC and

3064
01:36:59,643 --> 01:36:59,893
Mr. Webb

3065
01:37:02,613 --> 01:37:02,863
you know, I want to know that

3066
01:37:04,348 --> 01:37:04,598
you all agree with that and

3067
01:37:04,982 --> 01:37:05,232
publicly out there because from

3068
01:37:05,649 --> 01:37:05,899
my standpoint

3069
01:37:10,354 --> 01:37:10,604
I want to know that if you did

3070
01:37:12,356 --> 01:37:12,606
do the financing less so in

3071
01:37:12,957 --> 01:37:13,207
other words if it wasn't put on

3072
01:37:13,624 --> 01:37:13,874
the bill

3073
01:37:15,226 --> 01:37:15,476
if you took that money and just

3074
01:37:15,893 --> 01:37:16,143
went straight

3075
01:37:17,228 --> 01:37:17,478
to it so that that's

3076
01:37:20,865 --> 01:37:21,115
construction work in progress

3077
01:37:22,867 --> 01:37:23,117
was not put on that rider that

3078
01:37:24,835 --> 01:37:25,085
it would not be not be more

3079
01:37:26,804 --> 01:37:27,054
beneficial, you know, to our

3080
01:37:28,839 --> 01:37:29,089
ratepayers which are our

3081
01:37:30,808 --> 01:37:31,058
shareholders. I don't blame you

3082
01:37:31,509 --> 01:37:31,759
for what you do for your

3083
01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:32,860
shareholders and Mr. Palmer, I

3084
01:37:34,512 --> 01:37:34,762
don't really know you but read

3085
01:37:35,179 --> 01:37:35,429
what you said in the paper

3086
01:37:37,048 --> 01:37:37,298
also listened to what you said

3087
01:37:39,050 --> 01:37:39,300
in here you know you said that

3088
01:37:41,052 --> 01:37:41,302
you know it does help cover all

3089
01:37:42,620 --> 01:37:42,870
of our costs. Well I assume all

3090
01:37:44,655 --> 01:37:44,905
of your costs are also part of

3091
01:37:45,322 --> 01:37:45,572
your dividends

3092
01:37:46,857 --> 01:37:47,107
that you're paying to your

3093
01:37:47,425 --> 01:37:47,675
shareholders

3094
01:37:48,893 --> 01:37:49,143
so

3095
01:37:51,128 --> 01:37:51,378
you know from my standpoint yes

3096
01:37:53,164 --> 01:37:53,414
I can see where the way that

3097
01:37:54,865 --> 01:37:55,115
you're doing it does cover your

3098
01:37:55,499 --> 01:37:55,749
costs which I assume

3099
01:37:58,602 --> 01:37:58,852
wouldn't you agree that a

3100
01:38:00,871 --> 01:38:01,121
dividend's part of your cost but

3101
01:38:01,539 --> 01:38:01,789
that's for a benefit of your

3102
01:38:02,206 --> 01:38:02,456
shareholder

3103
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:05,359
which if we just applied it

3104
01:38:07,111 --> 01:38:07,361
directly to the C whip program

3105
01:38:08,345 --> 01:38:08,595
and we didn't put this on the

3106
01:38:10,581 --> 01:38:10,831
ratepayer's bill y'all's earning

3107
01:38:11,248 --> 01:38:11,498
per share may be less

3108
01:38:14,885 --> 01:38:15,135
but at least it wouldn't be on

3109
01:38:15,519 --> 01:38:15,769
our ratepayers's bills

3110
01:38:19,356 --> 01:38:19,606
I don't know you know I can sit

3111
01:38:20,624 --> 01:38:20,874
out here and listen to all this

3112
01:38:21,325 --> 01:38:21,575
but I don't know how we justify

3113
01:38:21,992 --> 01:38:22,242
that

3114
01:38:26,864 --> 01:38:27,114
I I was hoping that since we put

3115
01:38:28,599 --> 01:38:28,849
this back through the PSC that

3116
01:38:30,334 --> 01:38:30,584
this type of stuff would be

3117
01:38:32,336 --> 01:38:32,586
covered but at this point right

3118
01:38:33,037 --> 01:38:33,287
here, I think that there's

3119
01:38:35,039 --> 01:38:35,289
enough people out here that

3120
01:38:36,807 --> 01:38:37,057
need to see that need to try to

3121
01:38:38,342 --> 01:38:38,592
understand it so that we can

3122
01:38:40,478 --> 01:38:40,728
relay that back to our

3123
01:38:41,045 --> 01:38:41,295
shareholders the ratepayers

3124
01:38:42,813 --> 01:38:43,063
So I don't know if you want to

3125
01:38:44,582 --> 01:38:44,832
comment to that or where we go

3126
01:38:46,350 --> 01:38:46,600
with that. I've just I

3127
01:38:46,884 --> 01:38:47,134
personally do not like what I'm

3128
01:38:47,551 --> 01:38:47,801
seeing

3129
01:38:49,053 --> 01:38:49,303
well senator, I appreciate that

3130
01:38:50,788 --> 01:38:51,038
and all of the costs that are

3131
01:38:52,556 --> 01:38:52,806
included in the yder were

3132
01:38:53,124 --> 01:38:53,374
authorized by the Public Service

3133
01:38:53,791 --> 01:38:54,041
commission

3134
01:38:56,360 --> 01:38:56,610
and they're subject to public

3135
01:38:57,027 --> 01:38:57,277
service commission review

3136
01:38:58,863 --> 01:38:59,113
throughout and they are costs

3137
01:39:00,831 --> 01:39:01,081
that would be recovered one way

3138
01:39:02,867 --> 01:39:03,117
or another the the traditional

3139
01:39:04,568 --> 01:39:04,818
method that's been used in the

3140
01:39:06,303 --> 01:39:06,553
past is to accumulate those

3141
01:39:08,339 --> 01:39:08,589
costs during construction adddd

3142
01:39:09,106 --> 01:39:09,356
them to the cost of the facility

3143
01:39:10,608 --> 01:39:10,858
recover them over the life'm

3144
01:39:11,242 --> 01:39:11,492
well I'm well aware of that

3145
01:39:12,943 --> 01:39:13,193
little spin that we put on it

3146
01:39:13,611 --> 01:39:13,861
you know with the

3147
01:39:16,380 --> 01:39:16,630
financing cost and this and that

3148
01:39:18,382 --> 01:39:18,632
and that that only works I guess

3149
01:39:20,384 --> 01:39:20,634
as as long as everything's on

3150
01:39:21,085 --> 01:39:21,335
the on the up and up it's just

3151
01:39:22,853 --> 01:39:23,103
you know I have to look at it

3152
01:39:24,788 --> 01:39:25,038
from another standpoint that

3153
01:39:26,590 --> 01:39:26,840
although5 dollars a month is not

3154
01:39:28,359 --> 01:39:28,609
going to draw any interest for

3155
01:39:29,059 --> 01:39:29,309
anybody the cumulative effect

3156
01:39:30,861 --> 01:39:31,111
over the whole the whole

3157
01:39:32,863 --> 01:39:33,113
ratepayer you know the lost

3158
01:39:34,365 --> 01:39:34,615
interest that they're going to

3159
01:39:35,132 --> 01:39:35,382
be receiving during the time

3160
01:39:36,867 --> 01:39:37,117
that you normally would build

3161
01:39:37,501 --> 01:39:37,751
and

3162
01:39:40,604 --> 01:39:40,854
was paying your own interest and

3163
01:39:41,305 --> 01:39:41,555
those costs you know we had to

3164
01:39:42,806 --> 01:39:43,056
calculate those in and net those

3165
01:39:44,341 --> 01:39:44,591
out. So you know, I can look at

3166
01:39:46,343 --> 01:39:46,593
it a different way like that but

3167
01:39:47,411 --> 01:39:47,661
I just it just seems odd to me

3168
01:39:51,148 --> 01:39:51,398
it just it just seems odd to me

3169
01:39:54,351 --> 01:39:54,601
that with as much talk that was

3170
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:55,369
done whenever we were trying to

3171
01:39:56,620 --> 01:39:56,870
prepare this amendment and it's

3172
01:39:58,355 --> 01:39:58,605
a complicated bill. I mean, I'll

3173
01:39:59,156 --> 01:39:59,406
be the first to say and it's

3174
01:40:00,591 --> 01:40:00,841
even hard for me to understand

3175
01:40:01,325 --> 01:40:01,575
being involved with it some

3176
01:40:04,662 --> 01:40:04,912
but it's hard for me to

3177
01:40:05,196 --> 01:40:05,446
understand

3178
01:40:08,866 --> 01:40:09,116
whenever you look at this thing

3179
01:40:09,533 --> 01:40:09,783
that from y'all's standpoint

3180
01:40:12,336 --> 01:40:12,586
and you and this is your

3181
01:40:13,103 --> 01:40:13,353
responsibility that your

3182
01:40:14,471 --> 01:40:14,721
responsibilities to your

3183
01:40:15,039 --> 01:40:15,289
shareholders

3184
01:40:18,342 --> 01:40:18,592
why that you wouldn't have

3185
01:40:19,109 --> 01:40:19,359
reduced the cost of the sea whip

3186
01:40:21,478 --> 01:40:21,728
instead of doing it the way that

3187
01:40:22,179 --> 01:40:22,429
you've done it

3188
01:40:24,882 --> 01:40:25,132
and I just think that that needs

3189
01:40:28,385 --> 01:40:28,635
to be proved up and once it is

3190
01:40:29,119 --> 01:40:29,369
proved up I would like an

3191
01:40:32,356 --> 01:40:32,606
explanation from the PSC and

3192
01:40:34,358 --> 01:40:34,608
maybe some other attorneys and

3193
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:36,610
things like that that this is

3194
01:40:38,395 --> 01:40:38,645
the most most effective way to

3195
01:40:39,029 --> 01:40:39,279
do it for the ratepayer in this

3196
01:40:39,697 --> 01:40:39,947
case

3197
01:40:42,366 --> 01:40:42,616
so Mr chairir that may be more

3198
01:40:44,335 --> 01:40:44,585
of a statement but like I say, I

3199
01:40:46,337 --> 01:40:46,587
just would agree is that your

3200
01:40:48,305 --> 01:40:48,555
question No'm not asking that

3201
01:40:49,039 --> 01:40:49,289
because I don't I don't know and

3202
01:40:50,841 --> 01:40:51,091
I don't think any of us know

3203
01:40:52,610 --> 01:40:52,860
Senator hickey you have brought

3204
01:40:54,845 --> 01:40:55,095
forth something that is the

3205
01:40:56,614 --> 01:40:56,864
reason why I see us coming back

3206
01:40:58,616 --> 01:40:58,866
next month and looking at this

3207
01:40:59,216 --> 01:40:59,466
maybe with a little bit better

3208
01:41:02,386 --> 01:41:02,636
magnifying glass a lot of

3209
01:41:04,355 --> 01:41:04,605
this information that we're

3210
01:41:04,989 --> 01:41:05,239
talking about today is stuff

3211
01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:07,140
we've just learned whether

3212
01:41:07,458 --> 01:41:07,708
the

3213
01:41:11,095 --> 01:41:11,345
the articles in the

3214
01:41:14,365 --> 01:41:14,615
newspaper were correct or not we

3215
01:41:15,099 --> 01:41:15,349
don't know but they've been

3216
01:41:16,333 --> 01:41:16,583
thrown out there and it's data

3217
01:41:18,369 --> 01:41:18,619
that we have to deal with so

3218
01:41:20,838 --> 01:41:21,088
I appreciate your comment I I

3219
01:41:22,806 --> 01:41:23,056
agree with your comment and I

3220
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:25,359
want to I want give Mr bethel

3221
01:41:27,111 --> 01:41:27,361
and Mr Palmer a chance to

3222
01:41:29,146 --> 01:41:29,396
respond but I can also take

3223
01:41:30,614 --> 01:41:30,864
gentlemen if y'all want to wait

3224
01:41:32,883 --> 01:41:33,133
about a month we'll we'll we'll

3225
01:41:34,885 --> 01:41:35,135
be back and maybe have our

3226
01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:36,870
questions a little more concise

3227
01:41:37,288 --> 01:41:37,538
but certainly feel free to to

3228
01:41:40,691 --> 01:41:40,941
respond to whatsenator hickey

3229
01:41:41,358 --> 01:41:41,608
said

3230
01:41:44,595 --> 01:41:44,845
yeah we're certainly happy to

3231
01:41:46,363 --> 01:41:46,613
come back. I would say and I

3232
01:41:47,031 --> 01:41:47,281
don't want to take the wind out

3233
01:41:48,599 --> 01:41:48,849
of Chairman Webb's sales but

3234
01:41:50,567 --> 01:41:50,817
they did the when we got the

3235
01:41:52,336 --> 01:41:52,586
rodder through the regulatory

3236
01:41:53,337 --> 01:41:53,587
process at the APSC they did

3237
01:41:55,139 --> 01:41:55,389
establish some reporting

3238
01:41:56,640 --> 01:41:56,890
requirements around some of the

3239
01:41:57,308 --> 01:41:57,558
very questions you're asking

3240
01:42:00,611 --> 01:42:00,861
so that we can expand upon that

3241
01:42:02,346 --> 01:42:02,596
with when I have it in front of

3242
01:42:04,381 --> 01:42:04,631
me but the cost comparison the

3243
01:42:04,982 --> 01:42:05,232
jobs and all the things that the

3244
01:42:06,850 --> 01:42:07,100
law addresses the commission was

3245
01:42:08,852 --> 01:42:09,102
very intently focused on when we

3246
01:42:10,621 --> 01:42:10,871
brought that rider before him so

3247
01:42:12,356 --> 01:42:12,606
there is some reporting

3248
01:42:13,390 --> 01:42:13,640
obligations that we have that

3249
01:42:14,858 --> 01:42:15,108
feed into their their reporting

3250
01:42:16,894 --> 01:42:17,144
obligations as well but I don't

3251
01:42:18,462 --> 01:42:18,712
want to speak on their behalf

3252
01:42:24,535 --> 01:42:24,785
you'll be recognized you you can

3253
01:42:25,302 --> 01:42:25,552
go to the top of the list

3254
01:42:26,904 --> 01:42:27,154
senator hickey at that time OK

3255
01:42:27,571 --> 01:42:27,821
thank you

3256
01:42:30,341 --> 01:42:30,591
p re s ent ative innnnett and

3257
01:42:32,609 --> 01:42:32,859
I'm gonna encourage you to be

3258
01:42:33,210 --> 01:42:33,460
concise and quick

3259
01:42:35,012 --> 01:42:35,262
yes sir

3260
01:42:38,582 --> 01:42:38,832
thank you Mr Chairman. I have

3261
01:42:42,553 --> 01:42:42,803
a question Mr bethel how much

3262
01:42:44,621 --> 01:42:44,871
additional generating capacity

3263
01:42:46,824 --> 01:42:47,074
will be needed for the google

3264
01:42:48,459 --> 01:42:48,709
and LittleRock in the bio data

3265
01:42:49,126 --> 01:42:49,376
centers

3266
01:42:54,965 --> 01:42:55,215
Yeah if I could take that so

3267
01:42:58,802 --> 01:42:59,052
beyond cypress solar that we've

3268
01:43:00,571 --> 01:43:00,821
discussed we don't have any

3269
01:43:01,171 --> 01:43:01,421
additional plans because of

3270
01:43:01,739 --> 01:43:01,989
those two customers.

3271
01:43:07,077 --> 01:43:07,327
and we residential customers be

3272
01:43:08,879 --> 01:43:09,129
paying to finance the

3273
01:43:09,313 --> 01:43:09,563
construction

3274
01:43:14,585 --> 01:43:14,835
force of cypress solar no for

3275
01:43:15,252 --> 01:43:15,502
the

3276
01:43:17,187 --> 01:43:17,437
yeah for cy yes yes

3277
01:43:21,392 --> 01:43:21,642
thank you that was part of our

3278
01:43:22,860 --> 01:43:23,110
discussion of what's currently

3279
01:43:24,862 --> 01:43:25,112
in the rotter. So Cyprus solars

3280
01:43:26,897 --> 01:43:27,147
financing costs are currently on

3281
01:43:29,166 --> 01:43:29,416
bills in that rider one more

3282
01:43:29,833 --> 01:43:30,083
question

3283
01:43:32,703 --> 01:43:32,953
but you better be quick I have

3284
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:33,620
to cut you off

3285
01:43:36,840 --> 01:43:37,090
how was still River solar in

3286
01:43:37,474 --> 01:43:37,724
Mississippi County be used?

3287
01:43:41,044 --> 01:43:41,294
Steelleriver is an independent

3288
01:43:42,813 --> 01:43:43,063
project that Google pursued on

3289
01:43:44,848 --> 01:43:45,098
their own so we don't currently

3290
01:43:46,350 --> 01:43:46,600
have any interaction with that

3291
01:43:48,352 --> 01:43:48,602
facility. They they negotiated

3292
01:43:49,052 --> 01:43:49,302
that on their own behalf and

3293
01:43:49,620 --> 01:43:49,870
they they dealt with the

3294
01:43:50,154 --> 01:43:50,404
counterparty.

3295
01:43:53,090 --> 01:43:53,340
thank you thank youpresentative

3296
01:43:56,827 --> 01:43:57,077
Bennett senator penzo and I'm

3297
01:43:58,862 --> 01:43:59,112
not putting you seriously under

3298
01:44:00,631 --> 01:44:00,881
the gun but please be mindful of

3299
01:44:01,432 --> 01:44:01,682
our time I'll make it snappy

3300
01:44:02,099 --> 01:44:02,349
thank you

3301
01:44:06,570 --> 01:44:06,820
Mr Chair. how what's the

3302
01:44:09,039 --> 01:44:09,289
expected energy consumption

3303
01:44:10,841 --> 01:44:11,091
of the google Dataenter.

3304
01:44:16,613 --> 01:44:16,863
I don't believe Google has said

3305
01:44:18,449 --> 01:44:18,699
publicly exactly what their

3306
01:44:19,016 --> 01:44:19,266
total demand is.

3307
01:44:21,118 --> 01:44:21,368
we'd be I'd be careful I

3308
01:44:22,619 --> 01:44:22,869
wouldn't want to disclose it on

3309
01:44:24,488 --> 01:44:24,738
their behalf. OK, so we don't

3310
01:44:25,155 --> 01:44:25,405
know if the

3311
01:44:28,625 --> 01:44:28,875
600 megawatts over or under what

3312
01:44:29,326 --> 01:44:29,576
we need is that accurate?

3313
01:44:35,132 --> 01:44:35,382
it's not public I would say we

3314
01:44:36,900 --> 01:44:37,150
have demonstrated we have

3315
01:44:38,602 --> 01:44:38,852
adequate generation with the

3316
01:44:40,604 --> 01:44:40,854
addition of their load when we

3317
01:44:42,873 --> 01:44:43,123
put cypress solar into our what

3318
01:44:44,575 --> 01:44:44,825
we call production cost bottles

3319
01:44:45,375 --> 01:44:45,625
which is how we model the entire

3320
01:44:47,144 --> 01:44:47,394
bulk electric system with our

3321
01:44:49,213 --> 01:44:49,463
load decide what resources we

3322
01:44:49,880 --> 01:44:50,130
may or may not need

3323
01:44:54,618 --> 01:44:54,868
when we put our generation fleet

3324
01:44:56,753 --> 01:44:57,003
in the model with their load and

3325
01:44:57,421 --> 01:44:57,671
cypress solar

3326
01:45:00,657 --> 01:45:00,907
we see resource adequacy and we

3327
01:45:02,359 --> 01:45:02,609
see our costs we see cost

3328
01:45:03,126 --> 01:45:03,376
savings because our variable

3329
01:45:04,728 --> 01:45:04,978
supply comes down those are the

3330
01:45:05,395 --> 01:45:05,645
cost

3331
01:45:07,397 --> 01:45:07,647
those are the energy benefits

3332
01:45:08,932 --> 01:45:09,182
that we quoted or Mr bethel

3333
01:45:10,567 --> 01:45:10,817
quoted for that facility quick

3334
01:45:13,070 --> 01:45:13,320
quick follow up on that so is

3335
01:45:13,737 --> 01:45:13,987
the

3336
01:45:16,607 --> 01:45:16,857
did did I catch you saying that

3337
01:45:18,475 --> 01:45:18,725
the the whole project's a $2

3338
01:45:19,142 --> 01:45:19,392
billion project

3339
01:45:23,080 --> 01:45:23,330
I think you're referring to Mr.

3340
01:45:23,747 --> 01:45:23,997
Bethel's intro.

3341
01:45:26,617 --> 01:45:26,867
well I mean oh well my on cyprus

3342
01:45:28,886 --> 01:45:29,136
solar on cypress solar only is

3343
01:45:31,121 --> 01:45:31,371
that rough math we've got the

3344
01:45:34,358 --> 01:45:34,608
cost estimate is 1.6 billion but

3345
01:45:36,627 --> 01:45:36,877
that is exclus excluding the

3346
01:45:37,194 --> 01:45:37,444
financing costs we would

3347
01:45:37,761 --> 01:45:38,011
otherwise

3348
01:45:41,131 --> 01:45:41,381
put into that and recover over

3349
01:45:42,866 --> 01:45:43,116
the 30 year useful life OK and

3350
01:45:48,338 --> 01:45:48,588
the full 1.6 billion cost is

3351
01:45:50,607 --> 01:45:50,857
part of that577 a month that

3352
01:45:52,342 --> 01:45:52,592
goes to the ratepayer that full

3353
01:45:53,343 --> 01:45:53,593
1.6 billion? No right now

3354
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:57,330
and don't quote me on the math

3355
01:45:58,582 --> 01:45:58,832
we've got that five year

3356
01:46:00,584 --> 01:46:00,834
forecast that Senator Mcee

3357
01:46:02,352 --> 01:46:02,602
discussed for the rider. so

3358
01:46:03,186 --> 01:46:03,436
we're in year one of the

3359
01:46:03,754 --> 01:46:04,004
construction activity

3360
01:46:08,692 --> 01:46:08,942
so of the5 dollars77 cents per

3361
01:46:09,359 --> 01:46:09,609
1000 kilowatt hours that we

3362
01:46:09,893 --> 01:46:10,143
quoted

3363
01:46:12,863 --> 01:46:13,113
there's about 1 dollar76 cent

3364
01:46:14,831 --> 01:46:15,081
that would be attributed to

3365
01:46:16,667 --> 01:46:16,917
cypress solar that reflects the

3366
01:46:17,334 --> 01:46:17,584
year one

3367
01:46:20,571 --> 01:46:20,821
financing cost or the support

3368
01:46:21,204 --> 01:46:21,454
for the financing costs for the

3369
01:46:23,073 --> 01:46:23,323
year one capital outlay the full

3370
01:46:26,376 --> 01:46:26,626
1.6 wouldn't be in rates until

3371
01:46:27,177 --> 01:46:27,427
it goes completely into service

3372
01:46:27,844 --> 01:46:28,094
in

3373
01:46:30,480 --> 01:46:30,730
a couple of years I can't

3374
01:46:31,048 --> 01:46:31,298
remember the exact date

3375
01:46:34,618 --> 01:46:34,868
and what's that change to 1.76

3376
01:46:35,285 --> 01:46:35,535
what will that change to in the

3377
01:46:39,122 --> 01:46:39,372
operational year? I I would be

3378
01:46:40,591 --> 01:46:40,841
speculating if I tried to do

3379
01:46:42,392 --> 01:46:42,642
that math right now that's good

3380
01:46:44,394 --> 01:46:44,644
for now thank you but it is just

3381
01:46:46,363 --> 01:46:46,613
the the financing cost is all

3382
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:47,280
that's recovered during the

3383
01:46:50,334 --> 01:46:50,584
construction period and then the

3384
01:46:51,034 --> 01:46:51,284
the total investment is

3385
01:46:52,536 --> 01:46:52,786
recovered over the life of the

3386
01:46:54,605 --> 01:46:54,855
asset and spread out over the

3387
01:46:56,473 --> 01:46:56,723
life of the asset it's not all

3388
01:46:57,140 --> 01:46:57,390
recovered at once.

3389
01:47:02,512 --> 01:47:02,762
OK thank you Senator Penzo

3390
01:47:03,046 --> 01:47:03,296
uhpresentativehudson you're

3391
01:47:03,614 --> 01:47:03,864
recognized

3392
01:47:08,318 --> 01:47:08,568
thank you senator and I

3393
01:47:08,819 --> 01:47:09,069
appreciate you letting me ask a

3394
01:47:10,487 --> 01:47:10,737
quick question and this kind of

3395
01:47:12,489 --> 01:47:12,739
taps on to what Senator penzo

3396
01:47:14,491 --> 01:47:14,741
was asking y'all about I was

3397
01:47:16,326 --> 01:47:16,576
looking through an old article

3398
01:47:18,562 --> 01:47:18,812
from the demgaz from March while

3399
01:47:20,564 --> 01:47:20,814
everyone was talking and this

3400
01:47:22,332 --> 01:47:22,582
was one of the first references

3401
01:47:24,668 --> 01:47:24,918
to the5 dollars77 cents rider in

3402
01:47:28,271 --> 01:47:28,521
that article it was reported

3403
01:47:29,106 --> 01:47:29,356
that entergy estimated

3404
01:47:30,707 --> 01:47:30,957
residential customers would see

3405
01:47:32,676 --> 01:47:32,926
a monthly increase of7 dollars 9

3406
01:47:34,711 --> 01:47:34,961
cents in the first year and by

3407
01:47:35,345 --> 01:47:35,595
year5 customers could be paying

3408
01:47:40,283 --> 01:47:40,533
up to $21.85 a month which would

3409
01:47:42,285 --> 01:47:42,535
be4x what people are paying

3410
01:47:42,853 --> 01:47:43,103
right now if you use the5

3411
01:47:46,289 --> 01:47:46,539
dollars77 cents and then if you

3412
01:47:47,124 --> 01:47:47,374
look at what senator Johnson was

3413
01:47:48,525 --> 01:47:48,775
paying which is already $20

3414
01:47:50,527 --> 01:47:50,777
something dollars, can he expect

3415
01:47:51,261 --> 01:47:51,511
that his is going to go up to

3416
01:47:51,928 --> 01:47:52,178
$80 in the next five years?

3417
01:47:58,335 --> 01:47:58,585
no. thank you for the

3418
01:48:00,604 --> 01:48:00,854
question. I believe the March

3419
01:48:01,271 --> 01:48:01,521
article was referencing when we

3420
01:48:06,376 --> 01:48:06,626
don't quote me on the math but

3421
01:48:08,345 --> 01:48:08,595
we had proposed a different cost

3422
01:48:09,279 --> 01:48:09,529
allocation that ultimately got

3423
01:48:09,980 --> 01:48:10,230
approved by the commission

3424
01:48:12,916 --> 01:48:13,166
and so there may have been some

3425
01:48:14,351 --> 01:48:14,601
reporting on what we had said

3426
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:16,870
previously we the the

3427
01:48:18,889 --> 01:48:19,139
legislation laid out a process

3428
01:48:20,357 --> 01:48:20,607
where we had to go to the

3429
01:48:20,891 --> 01:48:21,141
commission to get the roder

3430
01:48:24,594 --> 01:48:24,844
established and then we provided

3431
01:48:26,830 --> 01:48:27,080
our first update to that rider

3432
01:48:28,665 --> 01:48:28,915
this year so when we went in

3433
01:48:29,332 --> 01:48:29,582
last year

3434
01:48:30,701 --> 01:48:30,951
to get the roder established

3435
01:48:35,338 --> 01:48:35,588
we do the utility ratema here's

3436
01:48:37,074 --> 01:48:37,324
how the costs come in here's

3437
01:48:39,109 --> 01:48:39,359
what we'd go to residential if

3438
01:48:40,911 --> 01:48:41,161
we do this approach versus that

3439
01:48:41,578 --> 01:48:41,828
approach

3440
01:48:46,316 --> 01:48:46,566
when our filing had a cost

3441
01:48:47,084 --> 01:48:47,334
allocation among residential

3442
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:50,570
commercial industrial customers

3443
01:48:51,288 --> 01:48:51,538
that was that original math and

3444
01:48:52,622 --> 01:48:52,872
then what the commission

3445
01:48:54,624 --> 01:48:54,874
approved had a different

3446
01:48:56,626 --> 01:48:56,876
allocation so when we quoted the

3447
01:48:58,628 --> 01:48:58,878
approved the residential number

3448
01:48:59,463 --> 01:48:59,713
went to the5 dollars77 cents

3449
01:49:08,672 --> 01:49:08,922
so

3450
01:49:12,509 --> 01:49:12,759
so ratepayers don't have to

3451
01:49:14,511 --> 01:49:14,761
worry then that this this5

3452
01:49:16,313 --> 01:49:16,563
dollars77 cents or whatever

3453
01:49:16,913 --> 01:49:17,163
they're paying right now is

3454
01:49:18,482 --> 01:49:18,732
going to go up by4 or5 times in

3455
01:49:20,283 --> 01:49:20,533
the next five years is that is

3456
01:49:20,917 --> 01:49:21,167
that accurate

3457
01:49:22,853 --> 01:49:23,103
we file a schedule that shows

3458
01:49:24,721 --> 01:49:24,971
exactly what it's going to go up

3459
01:49:26,523 --> 01:49:26,773
by based on the capital outlays

3460
01:49:28,558 --> 01:49:28,808
we see for those resources so it

3461
01:49:30,327 --> 01:49:30,577
will increase because we're

3462
01:49:32,329 --> 01:49:32,579
building those facilities but

3463
01:49:34,531 --> 01:49:34,781
when they're built it stops to

3464
01:49:36,533 --> 01:49:36,783
beth Mister bethel's point at

3465
01:49:37,134 --> 01:49:37,384
the fully cost at the full cost

3466
01:49:37,801 --> 01:49:38,051
of

3467
01:49:38,902 --> 01:49:39,152
that plant and then that's it

3468
01:49:40,904 --> 01:49:41,154
and then that cost is

3469
01:49:42,706 --> 01:49:42,956
depreciated over the life of the

3470
01:49:44,775 --> 01:49:45,025
asset so all we're what we're

3471
01:49:45,442 --> 01:49:45,692
talking about is

3472
01:49:48,712 --> 01:49:48,962
instead of the rate going up to

3473
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:50,530
the full amount and then

3474
01:49:52,282 --> 01:49:52,532
depreciate it down we're able to

3475
01:49:52,949 --> 01:49:53,199
get some level of support

3476
01:49:56,686 --> 01:49:56,936
now in that reduces the overall

3477
01:49:58,488 --> 01:49:58,738
amount that then depreciates

3478
01:50:00,557 --> 01:50:00,807
over time but we we provide that

3479
01:50:01,224 --> 01:50:01,474
forecast in our rate filing.

3480
01:50:06,730 --> 01:50:06,980
thank you Representative Hudson

3481
01:50:08,298 --> 01:50:08,548
senator Irvin you're

3482
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:09,449
recognized. Does that rate

3483
01:50:09,733 --> 01:50:09,983
forecast ever get

3484
01:50:12,803 --> 01:50:13,053
changed

3485
01:50:18,708 --> 01:50:18,958
the rate forecast in the roder I

3486
01:50:20,877 --> 01:50:21,127
think it would move if I were

3487
01:50:22,546 --> 01:50:22,796
because when we say the

3488
01:50:24,281 --> 01:50:24,531
financing cost we're basing that

3489
01:50:26,283 --> 01:50:26,533
on how much capital we have to

3490
01:50:26,983 --> 01:50:27,233
spend so just to make up a

3491
01:50:28,418 --> 01:50:28,668
number if we have to spend

3492
01:50:32,722 --> 01:50:32,972
50 $0 million next year to

3493
01:50:34,691 --> 01:50:34,941
support building those three

3494
01:50:36,526 --> 01:50:36,776
assets we're going to recover

3495
01:50:37,227 --> 01:50:37,477
the financing cost for the500

3496
01:50:37,894 --> 01:50:38,144
million

3497
01:50:42,299 --> 01:50:42,549
if that500 swings because of how

3498
01:50:43,033 --> 01:50:43,283
we've contracted with this

3499
01:50:44,668 --> 01:50:44,918
construction company or that

3500
01:50:46,269 --> 01:50:46,519
because we're using cost

3501
01:50:48,471 --> 01:50:48,721
estimates for building these

3502
01:50:50,473 --> 01:50:50,723
resources that would move it but

3503
01:50:52,442 --> 01:50:52,692
otherwise it would largely

3504
01:50:53,076 --> 01:50:53,326
follow exactly what we filed and

3505
01:50:54,744 --> 01:50:54,994
at any time that you make any

3506
01:50:56,513 --> 01:50:56,763
kind of an adjustment to that

3507
01:50:58,682 --> 01:50:58,932
rate schedule or increase that

3508
01:50:59,282 --> 01:50:59,532
goes before the PSC

3509
01:51:01,551 --> 01:51:01,801
at any time or is it just

3510
01:51:04,721 --> 01:51:04,971
at a certain time of the year

3511
01:51:08,291 --> 01:51:08,541
can you do that without going no

3512
01:51:10,293 --> 01:51:10,543
it's a it's a we update it

3513
01:51:10,861 --> 01:51:11,111
annually just like our other

3514
01:51:12,929 --> 01:51:13,179
mechanisms so we'll file early

3515
01:51:14,664 --> 01:51:14,914
March for rates for June every

3516
01:51:15,298 --> 01:51:15,548
year.

3517
01:51:20,303 --> 01:51:20,553
and the the law provides for an

3518
01:51:20,971 --> 01:51:21,221
annual filing so it it's a once

3519
01:51:21,638 --> 01:51:21,888
a year

3520
01:51:24,708 --> 01:51:24,958
revisit of of the and setting of

3521
01:51:26,509 --> 01:51:26,759
the you can only adjust it once

3522
01:51:27,210 --> 01:51:27,460
a year you can't adjust it any

3523
01:51:27,844 --> 01:51:28,094
other time.

3524
01:51:30,413 --> 01:51:30,663
it's only once a year yes ma'am

3525
01:51:34,484 --> 01:51:34,734
and then like you said based on

3526
01:51:36,720 --> 01:51:36,970
whatever you spend, whatever you

3527
01:51:38,488 --> 01:51:38,738
presented to begin with as far

3528
01:51:40,490 --> 01:51:40,740
as an estimate to representative

3529
01:51:42,626 --> 01:51:42,876
Hudson's question the math is

3530
01:51:43,293 --> 01:51:43,543
going to be

3531
01:51:46,329 --> 01:51:46,579
different or is it going to be

3532
01:51:46,930 --> 01:51:47,180
the same that you presented or

3533
01:51:48,732 --> 01:51:48,982
it could change. It should

3534
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:50,750
largely be what was presented.

3535
01:51:52,269 --> 01:51:52,519
I'm just noting that those

3536
01:51:52,902 --> 01:51:53,152
numbers may shift a little

3537
01:51:54,738 --> 01:51:54,988
because we are building3 large

3538
01:51:55,405 --> 01:51:55,655
resources so

3539
01:51:58,275 --> 01:51:58,525
over a three or four year

3540
01:51:58,909 --> 01:51:59,159
construction window things might

3541
01:52:00,310 --> 01:52:00,560
move a little but it should

3542
01:52:00,844 --> 01:52:01,094
largely track what was filed

3543
01:52:04,981 --> 01:52:05,231
thank you senator

3544
01:52:09,085 --> 01:52:09,335
Mr Bethham Mr palmer thank you

3545
01:52:12,322 --> 01:52:12,572
for coming we're as a Iu I

3546
01:52:12,923 --> 01:52:13,173
warned you I guess I should say

3547
01:52:14,524 --> 01:52:14,774
we're gonna have to come back

3548
01:52:16,526 --> 01:52:16,776
and talk about this some more

3549
01:52:17,193 --> 01:52:17,443
and committee members I'm

3550
01:52:19,029 --> 01:52:19,279
I spoke with

3551
01:52:22,699 --> 01:52:22,949
my vice chair senator Mcee and

3552
01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:23,650
we're we're trying to work out

3553
01:52:24,868 --> 01:52:25,118
of things so we're not here

3554
01:52:28,305 --> 01:52:28,555
for another 23 hours and so

3555
01:52:30,874 --> 01:52:31,124
we're looking at since we

3556
01:52:32,876 --> 01:52:33,126
really this was not just about

3557
01:52:36,279 --> 01:52:36,529
data centers is also about rates

3558
01:52:38,315 --> 01:52:38,565
and the rider and the charges

3559
01:52:38,915 --> 01:52:39,165
I'm gonna try to try to

3560
01:52:42,285 --> 01:52:42,535
bifurcate this this subject

3561
01:52:44,487 --> 01:52:44,737
we're going to hear from

3562
01:52:46,489 --> 01:52:46,739
items6 and7 which is central

3563
01:52:47,123 --> 01:52:47,373
Arkansas water and

3564
01:52:47,557 --> 01:52:47,807
littlettleRock

3565
01:52:48,825 --> 01:52:49,075
waterterreclamation Authority

3566
01:52:49,492 --> 01:52:49,742
and then we will

3567
01:52:52,862 --> 01:52:53,112
set a new agenda for our next

3568
01:52:56,299 --> 01:52:56,549
meeting that would include of

3569
01:52:58,435 --> 01:52:58,685
coursegy but also electric

3570
01:53:00,437 --> 01:53:00,687
cooperatives and the PSC and I

3571
01:53:02,505 --> 01:53:02,755
want to apologize to Mr Hasten

3572
01:53:04,908 --> 01:53:05,158
and Chairman Webb and Mshofer

3573
01:53:08,511 --> 01:53:08,761
for this postponement I know

3574
01:53:10,280 --> 01:53:10,530
do it's not the first time

3575
01:53:10,814 --> 01:53:11,064
you've had to sit through a

3576
01:53:12,716 --> 01:53:12,966
hearing and he didn't get to

3577
01:53:14,718 --> 01:53:14,968
your bill or whatever but

3578
01:53:18,321 --> 01:53:18,571
I also wanna say to Chairman

3579
01:53:19,155 --> 01:53:19,405
Webb our prayers are with

3580
01:53:19,723 --> 01:53:19,973
Justice Webb

3581
01:53:22,726 --> 01:53:22,976
for her speedy recovery and

3582
01:53:24,494 --> 01:53:24,744
having her back on the court but

3583
01:53:26,863 --> 01:53:27,113
just please extend all of our

3584
01:53:28,832 --> 01:53:29,082
prayers to her that will be do

3585
01:53:30,467 --> 01:53:30,717
and so if you would thank you

3586
01:53:32,669 --> 01:53:32,919
folks for being here and if I

3587
01:53:36,506 --> 01:53:36,756
would ask and Mr Bohannon M

3588
01:53:38,308 --> 01:53:38,558
Block and Mr. Benfield could

3589
01:53:40,276 --> 01:53:40,526
come on up. I think we can do

3590
01:53:42,512 --> 01:53:42,762
this panel pretty quickly and

3591
01:53:44,481 --> 01:53:44,731
we'll take everything else up

3592
01:53:45,081 --> 01:53:45,331
at our next meeting

3593
01:53:48,985 --> 01:53:49,235
is there a motion for that

3594
01:53:49,552 --> 01:53:49,802
senator Mcee?

3595
01:53:54,324 --> 01:53:54,574
is this second by senator

3596
01:53:56,893 --> 01:53:57,143
the motion is that we'll change

3597
01:53:58,595 --> 01:53:58,845
the agenda and finish this next

3598
01:53:59,262 --> 01:53:59,512
month

3599
01:54:00,397 --> 01:54:00,647
yes ma'am

3600
01:54:03,066 --> 01:54:03,316
en er ban yeah

3601
01:54:06,836 --> 01:54:07,086
thank you but I do I do think

3602
01:54:10,273 --> 01:54:10,523
that we want to respect Senator

3603
01:54:10,974 --> 01:54:11,224
hickey had a question for PSC

3604
01:54:12,308 --> 01:54:12,558
and I don't know if senator

3605
01:54:12,942 --> 01:54:13,192
hickey wants to

3606
01:54:14,711 --> 01:54:14,961
next month I just wanted to make

3607
01:54:16,679 --> 01:54:16,929
sure thank you senator Irvin and

3608
01:54:20,350 --> 01:54:20,600
certainly we'll make sure we're

3609
01:54:21,117 --> 01:54:21,367
right and then second all in

3610
01:54:21,785 --> 01:54:22,035
favor say aye

3611
01:54:26,322 --> 01:54:26,572
oppose ok thank you will and

3612
01:54:28,324 --> 01:54:28,574
thank the three of y'all for

3613
01:54:30,326 --> 01:54:30,576
waiting and we probably

3614
01:54:30,927 --> 01:54:31,177
should have moved y'all up right

3615
01:54:32,929 --> 01:54:33,179
after West memphis but that's ok

3616
01:54:34,697 --> 01:54:34,947
we we we got you in today I

3617
01:54:35,331 --> 01:54:35,581
don't wanna make you come back

3618
01:54:38,501 --> 01:54:38,751
if you would each

3619
01:54:39,202 --> 01:54:39,452
introduce yourselves for the

3620
01:54:39,869 --> 01:54:40,119
record I would appreciate it

3621
01:54:44,674 --> 01:54:44,924
yes sir I'm Jeanlock CEO of

3622
01:54:45,341 --> 01:54:45,591
LittleRock Water Reclamation

3623
01:54:45,975 --> 01:54:46,225
Authority.

3624
01:54:48,511 --> 01:54:48,761
Rryan bennefield the chief

3625
01:54:50,413 --> 01:54:50,663
operating officer for with

3626
01:54:50,980 --> 01:54:51,230
LittleRock Water Reclamation

3627
01:54:51,614 --> 01:54:51,864
Authority.

3628
01:55:04,594 --> 01:55:04,844
my name is Tad Bohanon I'm the

3629
01:55:06,563 --> 01:55:06,813
CEO of Central Arkansas Water.

3630
01:55:08,598 --> 01:55:08,848
OK thank you and since you're

3631
01:55:10,733 --> 01:55:10,983
first on the list MrRohannon I'm

3632
01:55:11,401 --> 01:55:11,651
gonna let you go first

3633
01:55:14,337 --> 01:55:14,587
well thank you all thank you

3634
01:55:15,338 --> 01:55:15,588
chair senator Johnson thank you

3635
01:55:16,873 --> 01:55:17,123
all for the invitation to be

3636
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:19,359
here we have had a long

3637
01:55:20,577 --> 01:55:20,827
afternoon so I'll try to keep

3638
01:55:24,314 --> 01:55:24,564
this as as short as possible

3639
01:55:26,349 --> 01:55:26,599
central Arkansas water is a

3640
01:55:28,351 --> 01:55:28,601
potential provider of water to

3641
01:55:29,152 --> 01:55:29,402
two data centers in central

3642
01:55:31,121 --> 01:55:31,371
Arkansas one being the

3643
01:55:34,891 --> 01:55:35,141
Aveoenter on pulaski County and

3644
01:55:36,626 --> 01:55:36,876
the other being the Google

3645
01:55:38,628 --> 01:55:38,878
Center at the LittleRock Port

3646
01:55:40,363 --> 01:55:40,613
Authority. I say a potential

3647
01:55:40,997 --> 01:55:41,247
water provider because

3648
01:55:44,300 --> 01:55:44,550
as of this point there has been

3649
01:55:46,836 --> 01:55:47,086
no application filed to receive

3650
01:55:49,105 --> 01:55:49,355
water from central to receive

3651
01:55:50,807 --> 01:55:51,057
water from us at either data

3652
01:55:54,611 --> 01:55:54,861
center and no plans for the

3653
01:55:56,813 --> 01:55:57,063
development have been filed so

3654
01:55:59,048 --> 01:55:59,298
it's it is a potential now

3655
01:56:01,084 --> 01:56:01,334
I'm not trying to dismiss that

3656
01:56:04,354 --> 01:56:04,604
but we also do not know the

3657
01:56:06,823 --> 01:56:07,073
final details of what they are

3658
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:10,610
planning to do on those sites as

3659
01:56:11,094 --> 01:56:11,344
far as water

3660
01:56:11,728 --> 01:56:11,978
consumption.

3661
01:56:14,631 --> 01:56:14,881
so

3662
01:56:18,635 --> 01:56:18,885
until that occurs we can talk

3663
01:56:20,603 --> 01:56:20,853
about the generalities that you

3664
01:56:22,605 --> 01:56:22,855
have heard in the press in

3665
01:56:25,308 --> 01:56:25,558
another conversations and our

3666
01:56:27,110 --> 01:56:27,360
approach to it and I think the

3667
01:56:30,346 --> 01:56:30,596
important thing to realize there

3668
01:56:32,582 --> 01:56:32,832
is that central Arkansas water

3669
01:56:34,884 --> 01:56:35,134
does not look at this economic

3670
01:56:36,819 --> 01:56:37,069
development project any

3671
01:56:38,888 --> 01:56:39,138
differently than it looks at any

3672
01:56:41,157 --> 01:56:41,407
other economic development

3673
01:56:42,458 --> 01:56:42,708
project and we are agno

3674
01:56:45,094 --> 01:56:45,344
s tic as to what those projects

3675
01:56:48,598 --> 01:56:48,848
are it is not our job as a water

3676
01:56:51,100 --> 01:56:51,350
utility to say yes we like this

3677
01:56:54,337 --> 01:56:54,587
project and no we don't like

3678
01:56:56,606 --> 01:56:56,856
this project if a community is

3679
01:56:58,374 --> 01:56:58,624
gonna have a project then we

3680
01:57:00,343 --> 01:57:00,593
have to look at it and say can

3681
01:57:02,812 --> 01:57:03,062
we provide water and if we're

3682
01:57:05,048 --> 01:57:05,298
gonna provide water what are the

3683
01:57:07,150 --> 01:57:07,400
terms and conditions of

3684
01:57:07,684 --> 01:57:07,934
providing that water

3685
01:57:12,355 --> 01:57:12,605
in this instance and how we are

3686
01:57:14,557 --> 01:57:14,807
with all economic development

3687
01:57:16,559 --> 01:57:16,809
opportunities if there are

3688
01:57:18,361 --> 01:57:18,611
capital improvements that are

3689
01:57:19,095 --> 01:57:19,345
required to be made to the

3690
01:57:22,398 --> 01:57:22,648
system the developer of the

3691
01:57:24,367 --> 01:57:24,617
project is required to make

3692
01:57:24,968 --> 01:57:25,218
those capital improvements

3693
01:57:29,138 --> 01:57:29,388
it doesn't matter if it's a

3694
01:57:31,140 --> 01:57:31,390
Walmart store going on to an

3695
01:57:34,310 --> 01:57:34,560
area that has not had service a

3696
01:57:36,946 --> 01:57:37,196
data center on amazon warehouse

3697
01:57:37,614 --> 01:57:37,864
or

3698
01:57:40,883 --> 01:57:41,133
a residential subdivision a

3699
01:57:44,354 --> 01:57:44,604
developer comes in with a re

3700
01:57:45,088 --> 01:57:45,338
subdivision and says we want to

3701
01:57:48,324 --> 01:57:48,574
build 200 homes and we say here

3702
01:57:50,393 --> 01:57:50,643
is the water infrastructure that

3703
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:51,310
you must construct and pay for

3704
01:57:55,098 --> 01:57:55,348
amazon warehouse came in and

3705
01:57:56,799 --> 01:57:57,049
said we want to build a

3706
01:57:58,368 --> 01:57:58,618
warehouse we said here is the

3707
01:58:00,803 --> 01:58:01,053
infrastructure you are required

3708
01:58:03,072 --> 01:58:03,322
to pay for and so it's the same

3709
01:58:06,576 --> 01:58:06,826
analysis the only analysis that

3710
01:58:09,078 --> 01:58:09,328
may somewhat be different is the

3711
01:58:11,080 --> 01:58:11,330
size of the numbers that people

3712
01:58:14,350 --> 01:58:14,600
have talked about in potential

3713
01:58:14,984 --> 01:58:15,234
water consumption

3714
01:58:16,819 --> 01:58:17,069
so

3715
01:58:20,356 --> 01:58:20,606
let's look at that a little bit

3716
01:58:22,825 --> 01:58:23,075
in that central Arkansas water

3717
01:58:27,063 --> 01:58:27,313
yesterday delivered 11 million

3718
01:58:29,098 --> 01:58:29,348
gallons of water to the half

3719
01:58:30,967 --> 01:58:31,217
million consumers that we serve

3720
01:58:36,806 --> 01:58:37,056
on a maximum day that we have

3721
01:58:38,808 --> 01:58:39,058
heard any data center throw

3722
01:58:40,943 --> 01:58:41,193
around it's about4 million

3723
01:58:41,511 --> 01:58:41,761
gallons

3724
01:58:46,349 --> 01:58:46,599
so we're talking about a4% shift

3725
01:58:48,851 --> 01:58:49,101
when we have the ability to

3726
01:58:52,355 --> 01:58:52,605
treat 157 million gallons of

3727
01:58:55,058 --> 01:58:55,308
water and we already have73

3728
01:58:58,494 --> 01:58:58,744
million gallons of water sitting

3729
01:58:59,162 --> 01:58:59,412
in tanks

3730
01:59:02,899 --> 01:59:03,149
so our total water available

3731
01:59:04,634 --> 01:59:04,884
based on our tanks were filled

3732
01:59:07,103 --> 01:59:07,353
up the night before and we have

3733
01:59:08,871 --> 01:59:09,121
treatment capacity during the

3734
01:59:12,842 --> 01:59:13,092
day of the 157 is 225 million

3735
01:59:14,877 --> 01:59:15,127
gallons of water that could be

3736
01:59:18,348 --> 01:59:18,598
delivered and the data center

3737
01:59:18,981 --> 01:59:19,231
may need4

3738
01:59:22,852 --> 01:59:23,102
on a maximum day that is not

3739
01:59:23,486 --> 01:59:23,736
what they're gonna need every

3740
01:59:24,153 --> 01:59:24,403
day

3741
01:59:28,558 --> 01:59:28,808
it's what they would need on a

3742
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:30,810
maximum day and then you even

3743
01:59:32,795 --> 01:59:33,045
heard them talk today it depends

3744
01:59:36,366 --> 01:59:36,616
on what type of cooling system

3745
01:59:37,366 --> 01:59:37,616
they use we don't know that yet

3746
01:59:40,937 --> 01:59:41,187
that hasn't been submitted to us

3747
01:59:41,604 --> 01:59:41,854
to look at

3748
01:59:45,308 --> 01:59:45,558
now I do want to state before I

3749
01:59:46,576 --> 01:59:46,826
be quiet because I said it'd be

3750
01:59:48,578 --> 01:59:48,828
brief as I've told you central

3751
01:59:49,212 --> 01:59:49,462
Arkansas water numbers

3752
01:59:53,082 --> 01:59:53,332
and I wanna be candid in that I

3753
01:59:54,650 --> 01:59:54,900
can't speak for every water

3754
01:59:56,886 --> 01:59:57,136
utility in the state and I know

3755
01:59:58,888 --> 01:59:59,138
that hope is looking at one and

3756
02:00:00,623 --> 02:00:00,873
Clarksville is looking at one

3757
02:00:02,592 --> 02:00:02,842
and they're already building one

3758
02:00:04,994 --> 02:00:05,244
in west memphis and I gave you

3759
02:00:05,661 --> 02:00:05,911
our numbers

3760
02:00:08,865 --> 02:00:09,115
hopepe's maximum water capacity

3761
02:00:10,500 --> 02:00:10,750
is 9.6 million gallons a day

3762
02:00:14,604 --> 02:00:14,854
if they're looking at a data

3763
02:00:17,073 --> 02:00:17,323
center I have no idea what that

3764
02:00:20,343 --> 02:00:20,593
impact is on their ability to

3765
02:00:21,010 --> 02:00:21,260
provide water so when you get

3766
02:00:22,812 --> 02:00:23,062
down to it and you're just

3767
02:00:24,714 --> 02:00:24,964
talking about what can CAW

3768
02:00:25,281 --> 02:00:25,531
deliver

3769
02:00:28,584 --> 02:00:28,834
it's a different conversation

3770
02:00:30,353 --> 02:00:30,603
maybe then what could be

3771
02:00:32,355 --> 02:00:32,605
occurring in other parts of the

3772
02:00:34,590 --> 02:00:34,840
state and you already heard West

3773
02:00:38,327 --> 02:00:38,577
memphis earlier say they shifted

3774
02:00:41,097 --> 02:00:41,347
to air cooled because of water

3775
02:00:42,632 --> 02:00:42,882
demand and now they're looking

3776
02:00:44,333 --> 02:00:44,583
at well maybe in the future

3777
02:00:46,335 --> 02:00:46,585
we'll have additional water

3778
02:00:49,138 --> 02:00:49,388
supply so this very much becomes

3779
02:00:51,107 --> 02:00:51,357
a community by community

3780
02:00:54,444 --> 02:00:54,694
analysis of what resources are

3781
02:00:55,144 --> 02:00:55,394
available and is there

3782
02:00:58,347 --> 02:00:58,597
s uff ic i ent water available

3783
02:00:58,981 --> 02:00:59,231
to serve the potential demand.

3784
02:01:03,052 --> 02:01:03,302
and with that I'll be quiet and

3785
02:01:04,353 --> 02:01:04,603
they can either answer me

3786
02:01:05,121 --> 02:01:05,371
questions or we can go over Mr

3787
02:01:08,858 --> 02:01:09,108
Bohannon and I have to say one

3788
02:01:10,827 --> 02:01:11,077
of my favorite answers that

3789
02:01:12,829 --> 02:01:13,079
witnesses gave said well it

3790
02:01:14,864 --> 02:01:15,114
depends and that's in effect

3791
02:01:16,599 --> 02:01:16,849
what you said and I appreciate

3792
02:01:18,668 --> 02:01:18,918
the fact I do have one very

3793
02:01:19,235 --> 02:01:19,485
brief question I was

3794
02:01:21,304 --> 02:01:21,554
at this moment you don't

3795
02:01:22,405 --> 02:01:22,655
anticipate

3796
02:01:26,843 --> 02:01:27,093
having to choose between a data

3797
02:01:29,078 --> 02:01:29,328
center or any other economic

3798
02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:31,130
development project and those

3799
02:01:32,849 --> 02:01:33,099
consumers like me that just want

3800
02:01:34,617 --> 02:01:34,867
our water to come on when I turn

3801
02:01:35,318 --> 02:01:35,568
the faucet

3802
02:01:38,621 --> 02:01:38,871
not only do we not anticipate

3803
02:01:40,356 --> 02:01:40,606
having to make that choice on

3804
02:01:42,325 --> 02:01:42,575
any given day as to who we're

3805
02:01:45,094 --> 02:01:45,344
providing water with but we've

3806
02:01:46,896 --> 02:01:47,146
we continue to make the

3807
02:01:48,865 --> 02:01:49,115
commitment when the next project

3808
02:01:51,133 --> 02:01:51,383
comes along we'll figure out a

3809
02:01:53,069 --> 02:01:53,319
way to make sure that we have

3810
02:01:54,637 --> 02:01:54,887
the water to be able to deliver

3811
02:01:55,271 --> 02:01:55,521
it

3812
02:01:58,374 --> 02:01:58,624
Arkansas is a water rich state

3813
02:02:00,810 --> 02:02:01,060
water should never be the reason

3814
02:02:02,578 --> 02:02:02,828
we deny economic development

3815
02:02:04,614 --> 02:02:04,864
opportunities in the state.

3816
02:02:07,083 --> 02:02:07,333
thank you sir and Mlock

3817
02:02:08,851 --> 02:02:09,101
and Mr Bennefield I recognize

3818
02:02:11,087 --> 02:02:11,337
y'all together and let you

3819
02:02:13,089 --> 02:02:13,339
divide up however y'all want to

3820
02:02:15,057 --> 02:02:15,307
present this thank you and good

3821
02:02:18,394 --> 02:02:18,644
afternoon Chairman Mcairld on if

3822
02:02:19,061 --> 02:02:19,311
I can hold just a moment

3823
02:02:20,396 --> 02:02:20,646
Representativeladyyman was your

3824
02:02:21,197 --> 02:02:21,447
question specifically for Mr.

3825
02:02:21,864 --> 02:02:22,114
Bohannon

3826
02:02:24,867 --> 02:02:25,117
if you'll let me

3827
02:02:27,069 --> 02:02:27,319
holdpresentativeladyman does

3828
02:02:30,306 --> 02:02:30,556
have a question for Mr Bohan

3829
02:02:31,073 --> 02:02:31,323
thank you Mr Chairman and I'll

3830
02:02:33,042 --> 02:02:33,292
be brief. Mr. Bohannon,

3831
02:02:34,810 --> 02:02:35,060
thanks for your information you

3832
02:02:36,612 --> 02:02:36,862
gave the capacity you got and

3833
02:02:38,881 --> 02:02:39,131
percentage and so forth but what

3834
02:02:40,883 --> 02:02:41,133
I what I think I heard you say

3835
02:02:44,353 --> 02:02:44,603
is that we should treat data

3836
02:02:45,154 --> 02:02:45,404
centers just like any other

3837
02:02:45,721 --> 02:02:45,971
project

3838
02:02:48,824 --> 02:02:49,074
look at what the parameters are

3839
02:02:50,359 --> 02:02:50,609
look at what we have so it

3840
02:02:53,095 --> 02:02:53,345
should be just another business

3841
02:02:56,599 --> 02:02:56,849
or commercial or whatever that

3842
02:02:58,634 --> 02:02:58,884
it just produces data instead

3843
02:02:59,302 --> 02:02:59,552
of widgets

3844
02:02:59,602 --> 02:02:59,852
is that true

3845
02:03:04,340 --> 02:03:04,590
as as a water utility I believe

3846
02:03:06,576 --> 02:03:06,826
that is what how we should treat

3847
02:03:10,346 --> 02:03:10,596
them we are not in the business

3848
02:03:11,347 --> 02:03:11,597
as a water utility of picking

3849
02:03:12,882 --> 02:03:13,132
winners and losers that's who

3850
02:03:14,850 --> 02:03:15,100
gets to come to a community and

3851
02:03:15,518 --> 02:03:15,768
operate thank you thank you

3852
02:03:25,127 --> 02:03:25,377
thank you. I'm sorry to that we

3853
02:03:26,862 --> 02:03:27,112
jumped around like that Misslott

3854
02:03:29,065 --> 02:03:29,315
but you go right ahead you good

3855
02:03:30,866 --> 02:03:31,116
after good afternoon Chairman

3856
02:03:32,568 --> 02:03:32,818
Mcair Johnson and committee

3857
02:03:34,604 --> 02:03:34,854
members thank you for the

3858
02:03:35,204 --> 02:03:35,454
opportunity to participate in

3859
02:03:38,341 --> 02:03:38,591
today's discussion. My name is

3860
02:03:39,075 --> 02:03:39,325
Jeanlock and I am the CEO of

3861
02:03:40,710 --> 02:03:40,960
LittleRock Water Reclamation

3862
02:03:41,377 --> 02:03:41,627
Authority.

3863
02:03:44,380 --> 02:03:44,630
our utility is the largest sewer

3864
02:03:45,181 --> 02:03:45,431
utility in the state of

3865
02:03:48,317 --> 02:03:48,567
Arkansas. We collect and treat

3866
02:03:50,353 --> 02:03:50,603
used water from LittleRock and

3867
02:03:51,153 --> 02:03:51,403
the nearby municipalities

3868
02:03:53,089 --> 02:03:53,339
ofcammack village, Alexandria

3869
02:03:56,325 --> 02:03:56,575
and College Station serving a

3870
02:03:58,361 --> 02:03:58,611
population of over 200,000

3871
02:04:00,363 --> 02:04:00,613
people we have three water

3872
02:04:01,130 --> 02:04:01,380
reclamation facilities and we

3873
02:04:03,165 --> 02:04:03,415
returned36 million gallons of

3874
02:04:04,634 --> 02:04:04,884
treated wastewater to the

3875
02:04:05,267 --> 02:04:05,517
Arkansas River every day

3876
02:04:08,838 --> 02:04:09,088
Joining me is our COO Ryan

3877
02:04:11,140 --> 02:04:11,390
Benefield. Ryan has played a key

3878
02:04:12,842 --> 02:04:13,092
role in evaluating the technical

3879
02:04:14,577 --> 02:04:14,827
impacts of the proposed Google

3880
02:04:16,579 --> 02:04:16,829
Dataenter project in the port of

3881
02:04:17,246 --> 02:04:17,496
LittleRock to our sewer system.

3882
02:04:21,083 --> 02:04:21,333
as conversations about data

3883
02:04:23,052 --> 02:04:23,302
centers continue in Arkansas we

3884
02:04:24,587 --> 02:04:24,837
welcome the chance to explain

3885
02:04:26,622 --> 02:04:26,872
our utility's role and share

3886
02:04:27,223 --> 02:04:27,473
what we know as a wastewater

3887
02:04:27,890 --> 02:04:28,140
utility.

3888
02:04:30,860 --> 02:04:31,110
it's important to note that

3889
02:04:33,095 --> 02:04:33,345
every sewer utility is unique.

3890
02:04:35,097 --> 02:04:35,347
Each system differs in its

3891
02:04:36,632 --> 02:04:36,882
treatment processes and

3892
02:04:37,133 --> 02:04:37,383
infrastructure capabilities

3893
02:04:40,870 --> 02:04:41,120
and today my remarks will focus

3894
02:04:42,805 --> 02:04:43,055
on google's proposed data center

3895
02:04:44,840 --> 02:04:45,090
in the port of LittleRock and

3896
02:04:46,909 --> 02:04:47,159
how it impacts our utility, our

3897
02:04:48,844 --> 02:04:49,094
customers and the infrastructure

3898
02:04:50,880 --> 02:04:51,130
we manage. We have not been

3899
02:04:52,581 --> 02:04:52,831
involved with any other data

3900
02:04:54,583 --> 02:04:54,833
center projects outside our

3901
02:04:56,852 --> 02:04:57,102
service area including the avail

3902
02:04:57,553 --> 02:04:57,803
or the proposed avo facility in

3903
02:04:58,220 --> 02:04:58,470
Wrightsville.

3904
02:05:02,358 --> 02:05:02,608
Our customer base includes

3905
02:05:03,059 --> 02:05:03,309
residential neighborhoods

3906
02:05:05,327 --> 02:05:05,577
hospitals small businesses and

3907
02:05:08,631 --> 02:05:08,881
industries of varying sizes for

3908
02:05:10,633 --> 02:05:10,883
decades we have communicated

3909
02:05:13,069 --> 02:05:13,319
early and often with industries

3910
02:05:15,104 --> 02:05:15,354
who are considering operations

3911
02:05:17,073 --> 02:05:17,323
in LittleRock to ensure that

3912
02:05:18,841 --> 02:05:19,091
they understand our requirements

3913
02:05:19,508 --> 02:05:19,758
and capabilities

3914
02:05:22,845 --> 02:05:23,095
when an industry approaches us

3915
02:05:24,847 --> 02:05:25,097
about serving them we must first

3916
02:05:27,083 --> 02:05:27,333
answer some key questions. can

3917
02:05:29,118 --> 02:05:29,368
we safely treat their wastewater

3918
02:05:30,853 --> 02:05:31,103
while preserving our biological

3919
02:05:33,055 --> 02:05:33,305
treatment process. do we have

3920
02:05:34,857 --> 02:05:35,107
enough capacity at our treatment

3921
02:05:37,059 --> 02:05:37,309
plant? Will it impact our

3922
02:05:39,195 --> 02:05:39,445
current customers and can we

3923
02:05:39,829 --> 02:05:40,079
support future growth

3924
02:05:42,631 --> 02:05:42,881
the answers to these questions

3925
02:05:44,834 --> 02:05:45,084
and others inform whether we can

3926
02:05:46,569 --> 02:05:46,819
serve the industry and continue

3927
02:05:48,571 --> 02:05:48,821
to maintain our mission of

3928
02:05:49,105 --> 02:05:49,355
protecting public health and the

3929
02:05:49,805 --> 02:05:50,055
environment

3930
02:05:54,810 --> 02:05:55,060
before making any decisions

3931
02:05:56,612 --> 02:05:56,862
about the google Dataenter we

3932
02:05:58,614 --> 02:05:58,864
considered these questions and

3933
02:06:00,583 --> 02:06:00,833
to answer them we commissioned

3934
02:06:02,318 --> 02:06:02,568
an independent third partyty

3935
02:06:04,787 --> 02:06:05,037
study in 2024 which evaluated

3936
02:06:06,822 --> 02:06:07,072
the wastewater, the data center

3937
02:06:08,624 --> 02:06:08,874
would generate. I will note that

3938
02:06:10,392 --> 02:06:10,642
Google covered all the costs of

3939
02:06:13,095 --> 02:06:13,345
the study while LrWrA retained

3940
02:06:14,730 --> 02:06:14,980
independent control of every

3941
02:06:15,397 --> 02:06:15,647
aspect of it

3942
02:06:18,601 --> 02:06:18,851
In2025 we received the results

3943
02:06:20,569 --> 02:06:20,819
of the study which showed that

3944
02:06:22,571 --> 02:06:22,821
our Fish Creek treatment plant

3945
02:06:24,573 --> 02:06:24,823
can handle the data center

3946
02:06:26,342 --> 02:06:26,592
wastewater without impacting our

3947
02:06:28,611 --> 02:06:28,861
biological treatment process our

3948
02:06:30,613 --> 02:06:30,863
plant operations existing

3949
02:06:31,413 --> 02:06:31,663
customers or our environmental

3950
02:06:32,114 --> 02:06:32,364
compliance

3951
02:06:35,050 --> 02:06:35,300
regarding available treatment

3952
02:06:37,286 --> 02:06:37,536
capacity our Fish Creek facility

3953
02:06:38,854 --> 02:06:39,104
currently has about 8 million

3954
02:06:40,823 --> 02:06:41,073
gallons per day of available

3955
02:06:43,125 --> 02:06:43,375
capacity. Our analysis shows

3956
02:06:44,627 --> 02:06:44,877
that we can handle the

3957
02:06:46,896 --> 02:06:47,146
wastewater from the proposed

3958
02:06:48,597 --> 02:06:48,847
data center continue to serve

3959
02:06:49,398 --> 02:06:49,648
our current customers and still

3960
02:06:51,267 --> 02:06:51,517
have plenty of room for future

3961
02:06:51,934 --> 02:06:52,184
growth in the port.

3962
02:06:56,305 --> 02:06:56,555
Cost is another important issue

3963
02:06:58,340 --> 02:06:58,590
we understand that people worry

3964
02:06:59,041 --> 02:06:59,291
that a project like this might

3965
02:07:02,678 --> 02:07:02,928
impact utility rates for LrWRA

3966
02:07:03,345 --> 02:07:03,595
the answer is no

3967
02:07:06,348 --> 02:07:06,598
in the same way we required

3968
02:07:07,082 --> 02:07:07,332
Google to pay for the initial

3969
02:07:09,051 --> 02:07:09,301
study, we would require them or

3970
02:07:12,354 --> 02:07:12,604
any industry to pay all costs

3971
02:07:13,088 --> 02:07:13,338
associated with transporting and

3972
02:07:14,824 --> 02:07:15,074
treating their wastewater

3973
02:07:16,592 --> 02:07:16,842
including any special

3974
02:07:17,092 --> 02:07:17,342
infrastructure needed for their

3975
02:07:17,760 --> 02:07:18,010
project

3976
02:07:20,863 --> 02:07:21,113
LrWRA customers will not pay

3977
02:07:22,832 --> 02:07:23,082
these costs and the project will

3978
02:07:25,067 --> 02:07:25,317
not increase sewer rates for cus

3979
02:07:25,801 --> 02:07:26,051
residents or businesses.

3980
02:07:29,071 --> 02:07:29,321
we know data centers have

3981
02:07:30,806 --> 02:07:31,056
sparked a significant amount of

3982
02:07:32,341 --> 02:07:32,591
public interest and there are

3983
02:07:33,042 --> 02:07:33,292
still questions about

3984
02:07:34,844 --> 02:07:35,094
infrastructure environmental

3985
02:07:35,477 --> 02:07:35,727
impacts and long term growth.

3986
02:07:38,848 --> 02:07:39,098
these are important topics and

3987
02:07:40,616 --> 02:07:40,866
people deserve clear and honest

3988
02:07:42,618 --> 02:07:42,868
answers. We are committed to

3989
02:07:44,854 --> 02:07:45,104
sharing accurate information

3990
02:07:46,355 --> 02:07:46,605
about the parts of the project

3991
02:07:46,989 --> 02:07:47,239
that fall within our

3992
02:07:47,423 --> 02:07:47,673
responsibility and expertise.

3993
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:51,110
at our utility our mission does

3994
02:07:51,527 --> 02:07:51,777
not change from project to

3995
02:07:52,094 --> 02:07:52,344
project

3996
02:07:55,064 --> 02:07:55,314
we work to protect public health

3997
02:07:57,066 --> 02:07:57,316
protect the environment, provide

3998
02:07:59,268 --> 02:07:59,518
safe reliable wastewater service

3999
02:08:01,036 --> 02:08:01,286
maintain reasonable rates and

4000
02:08:03,038 --> 02:08:03,288
responsibly manage the public

4001
02:08:03,672 --> 02:08:03,922
resources entrusted to us

4002
02:08:06,876 --> 02:08:07,126
thank you for letting us share

4003
02:08:08,611 --> 02:08:08,861
our perspective today. I am

4004
02:08:09,245 --> 02:08:09,495
pleased to be part of the

4005
02:08:10,846 --> 02:08:11,096
discussion and Ryan and I are

4006
02:08:11,513 --> 02:08:11,763
happy to answer any questions

4007
02:08:12,147 --> 02:08:12,397
you have.

4008
02:08:16,785 --> 02:08:17,035
thank you Misslock. I do not

4009
02:08:18,554 --> 02:08:18,804
have any questions in the queue

4010
02:08:20,556 --> 02:08:20,806
but if anybody oh I'm sorry

4011
02:08:23,092 --> 02:08:23,342
y'all jumped in fast senator

4012
02:08:24,860 --> 02:08:25,110
Mcee you're recognized thank you

4013
02:08:26,662 --> 02:08:26,912
Mr. Chairman and thank you all

4014
02:08:27,363 --> 02:08:27,613
for being here today. I

4015
02:08:28,831 --> 02:08:29,081
appreciate your patience and

4016
02:08:30,833 --> 02:08:31,083
letting us get around to you

4017
02:08:32,868 --> 02:08:33,118
and coming to talk to us about

4018
02:08:33,535 --> 02:08:33,785
the the experiences that you've

4019
02:08:34,203 --> 02:08:34,453
had

4020
02:08:37,039 --> 02:08:37,289
so what what I hear you saying

4021
02:08:39,008 --> 02:08:39,258
is that when a developer comes

4022
02:08:42,378 --> 02:08:42,628
to you the details of their

4023
02:08:43,012 --> 02:08:43,262
operation are extremely

4024
02:08:43,545 --> 02:08:43,795
important.

4025
02:08:44,847 --> 02:08:45,097
that's if they're not

4026
02:08:46,615 --> 02:08:46,865
forthcoming with those details

4027
02:08:47,316 --> 02:08:47,566
you probably aren't going to do

4028
02:08:47,983 --> 02:08:48,233
business

4029
02:08:49,118 --> 02:08:49,368
and if you don't have the

4030
02:08:50,853 --> 02:08:51,103
resources to support that

4031
02:08:52,821 --> 02:08:53,071
industry you they're probably

4032
02:08:53,455 --> 02:08:53,705
gonna need to find another

4033
02:08:53,989 --> 02:08:54,239
location

4034
02:08:56,392 --> 02:08:56,642
would you agree with those

4035
02:08:58,394 --> 02:08:58,644
things? Yes sir as it relates to

4036
02:08:59,028 --> 02:08:59,278
littlettleRock waterter

4037
02:09:01,163 --> 02:09:01,413
Reclamation Authority very good

4038
02:09:01,830 --> 02:09:02,080
thank you for coming today

4039
02:09:06,302 --> 02:09:06,552
thank you senator Representative

4040
02:09:08,304 --> 02:09:08,554
ladyman, I think you're going to

4041
02:09:09,038 --> 02:09:09,288
have the last word. Thank you Mr

4042
02:09:10,572 --> 02:09:10,822
Chairman and thank you all for

4043
02:09:12,574 --> 02:09:12,824
being here and I I liked your

4044
02:09:14,843 --> 02:09:15,093
presentation very much. so

4045
02:09:15,377 --> 02:09:15,627
what what you said was

4046
02:09:19,081 --> 02:09:19,331
you look at the what you're

4047
02:09:19,615 --> 02:09:19,865
concerned about is the

4048
02:09:22,551 --> 02:09:22,801
biological or chemical load that

4049
02:09:24,353 --> 02:09:24,603
is in that water that you're

4050
02:09:24,954 --> 02:09:25,204
gonna have to provide you're

4051
02:09:25,621 --> 02:09:25,871
gonna have to treat

4052
02:09:28,590 --> 02:09:28,840
in the process I suppose would

4053
02:09:30,559 --> 02:09:30,809
be what's the data center or

4054
02:09:32,594 --> 02:09:32,844
whatever it is this customer

4055
02:09:34,563 --> 02:09:34,813
would have to come to you and

4056
02:09:36,365 --> 02:09:36,615
ask for a permit and you would

4057
02:09:37,066 --> 02:09:37,316
ask them questions about why

4058
02:09:38,600 --> 02:09:38,850
does your ph load, what is your

4059
02:09:40,336 --> 02:09:40,586
biological load, what's your

4060
02:09:42,338 --> 02:09:42,588
metal load? doesn't matter who

4061
02:09:44,306 --> 02:09:44,556
that customer is. everybody

4062
02:09:46,608 --> 02:09:46,858
follows the same process and you

4063
02:09:48,344 --> 02:09:48,594
know what your capacity is what

4064
02:09:49,078 --> 02:09:49,328
you're capable you're how much

4065
02:09:50,846 --> 02:09:51,096
volume you can change ph you

4066
02:09:52,848 --> 02:09:53,098
know how much that is and you

4067
02:09:54,850 --> 02:09:55,100
look at that just as Mr Bohan

4068
02:09:55,517 --> 02:09:55,767
talked about you know

4069
02:09:58,554 --> 02:09:58,804
what your capacity is and if you

4070
02:10:00,589 --> 02:10:00,839
can serve that customer then it

4071
02:10:02,358 --> 02:10:02,608
benefits the community you're

4072
02:10:03,058 --> 02:10:03,308
all in if you can't you tell

4073
02:10:04,860 --> 02:10:05,110
them you can't yes sir that's

4074
02:10:05,561 --> 02:10:05,811
correct right thank you very

4075
02:10:06,195 --> 02:10:06,445
much

4076
02:10:10,332 --> 02:10:10,582
thank you Representativeladyman

4077
02:10:11,333 --> 02:10:11,583
and and Senator Penzo did slip

4078
02:10:12,568 --> 02:10:12,818
in there at the end so you don't

4079
02:10:14,470 --> 02:10:14,720
get the last word he does

4080
02:10:15,004 --> 02:10:15,254
senator penzo

4081
02:10:17,072 --> 02:10:17,322
and then I'll come back to you

4082
02:10:18,841 --> 02:10:19,091
senator hickey thank you Mr

4083
02:10:20,843 --> 02:10:21,093
Chair. and actually have a

4084
02:10:24,346 --> 02:10:24,596
question for Mr. Bohannon.

4085
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:25,330
and I'm sorry it didn't really

4086
02:10:26,849 --> 02:10:27,099
pertain to data centers but

4087
02:10:28,851 --> 02:10:29,101
was was it your water

4088
02:10:30,853 --> 02:10:31,103
district that was running out of

4089
02:10:32,821 --> 02:10:33,071
fluoride? Did I see an article

4090
02:10:36,358 --> 02:10:36,608
is ok we have fluoride now it's

4091
02:10:37,159 --> 02:10:37,409
in the water again Oh so you you

4092
02:10:38,861 --> 02:10:39,111
have replaced the where where

4093
02:10:40,863 --> 02:10:41,113
did you source that from? Our

4094
02:10:42,598 --> 02:10:42,848
our regular supplier got a

4095
02:10:44,666 --> 02:10:44,916
shipment to us and they unloaded

4096
02:10:45,334 --> 02:10:45,584
a half a trailer yesterday

4097
02:10:48,570 --> 02:10:48,820
everybody was sending me that

4098
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:51,290
article over the last yeah

4099
02:10:52,307 --> 02:10:52,557
here recently so I just wanted

4100
02:10:54,343 --> 02:10:54,593
to check. thank you no problem

4101
02:10:55,310 --> 02:10:55,560
thank you one more question if

4102
02:10:56,378 --> 02:10:56,628
you don't mind.

4103
02:10:58,614 --> 02:10:58,864
how much how much a year do

4104
02:10:59,181 --> 02:10:59,431
y'all spend in fluoride

4105
02:11:02,818 --> 02:11:03,068
on florida acquisitions? I

4106
02:11:04,586 --> 02:11:04,836
should have been better prepared

4107
02:11:05,287 --> 02:11:05,537
for that question knowing how

4108
02:11:06,822 --> 02:11:07,072
much it's been in the news. I

4109
02:11:08,624 --> 02:11:08,874
will tell you this that we're

4110
02:11:09,324 --> 02:11:09,574
working on our budget and

4111
02:11:12,361 --> 02:11:12,611
they've told me it's a300% rate

4112
02:11:14,830 --> 02:11:15,080
increase for 27 I mean Mr

4113
02:11:17,066 --> 02:11:17,316
Bohannon if you will provide me

4114
02:11:18,567 --> 02:11:18,817
with that information I will

4115
02:11:20,569 --> 02:11:20,819
make sure that Senator Penzo

4116
02:11:21,203 --> 02:11:21,453
gets it you yes sir

4117
02:11:24,840 --> 02:11:25,090
I want to thank everybody for

4118
02:11:25,507 --> 02:11:25,757
coming

4119
02:11:26,942 --> 02:11:27,192
huh

4120
02:11:30,345 --> 02:11:30,595
senator hickey I'm I'll come to

4121
02:11:31,146 --> 02:11:31,396
you in a moment also

4122
02:11:40,589 --> 02:11:40,839
Doctor Lane I didn't forget

4123
02:11:41,190 --> 02:11:41,440
about you we're trying to

4124
02:11:43,058 --> 02:11:43,308
shuffle. you will be invited to

4125
02:11:46,361 --> 02:11:46,611
this October hearing and we'll

4126
02:11:47,062 --> 02:11:47,312
try to do that I apologize I

4127
02:11:48,397 --> 02:11:48,647
thought I could slip you in here

4128
02:11:50,365 --> 02:11:50,615
but if you'll bear with us we'll

4129
02:11:51,099 --> 02:11:51,349
we'll take care of that Senator

4130
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:52,050
hickey you're recognized

4131
02:11:56,371 --> 02:11:56,621
yes just Mr Chair this is the

4132
02:11:57,139 --> 02:11:57,389
thing I've asked the question

4133
02:11:58,607 --> 02:11:58,857
whenever we come back next month

4134
02:12:00,609 --> 02:12:00,859
of the psC that I would like

4135
02:12:01,376 --> 02:12:01,626
them to do their own

4136
02:12:01,844 --> 02:12:02,094
calculations

4137
02:12:05,147 --> 02:12:05,397
of how it's more beneficial that

4138
02:12:09,084 --> 02:12:09,334
that they thatgy spread that out

4139
02:12:10,819 --> 02:12:11,069
or if it would have been more

4140
02:12:12,588 --> 02:12:12,838
beneficial that it was taken

4141
02:12:14,356 --> 02:12:14,606
immediately you know so it

4142
02:12:14,890 --> 02:12:15,140
wouldn't have went into the

4143
02:12:15,424 --> 02:12:15,674
writer

4144
02:12:16,658 --> 02:12:16,908
so this is my thing

4145
02:12:21,296 --> 02:12:21,546
I want to make 100% sure that

4146
02:12:23,098 --> 02:12:23,348
somebody doesn't say well they

4147
02:12:25,067 --> 02:12:25,317
cannot give this information out

4148
02:12:26,869 --> 02:12:27,119
or you know we're bound by this

4149
02:12:27,536 --> 02:12:27,786
or that

4150
02:12:30,339 --> 02:12:30,589
and so I don't know if we need

4151
02:12:31,039 --> 02:12:31,289
to get our attorneys involved

4152
02:12:33,075 --> 02:12:33,325
and to try to work with entergy

4153
02:12:34,710 --> 02:12:34,960
and also work with the PSC.

4154
02:12:38,847 --> 02:12:39,097
and maybe the if entergy says

4155
02:12:40,349 --> 02:12:40,599
well they're not supposed to do

4156
02:12:41,083 --> 02:12:41,333
that but if they give their OKok

4157
02:12:44,853 --> 02:12:45,103
maybe maybe the PSC can do it so

4158
02:12:46,355 --> 02:12:46,605
the thing is is I just don't

4159
02:12:47,122 --> 02:12:47,372
want to sit here for the next

4160
02:12:48,590 --> 02:12:48,840
month and then all of a sudden

4161
02:12:50,359 --> 02:12:50,609
somebody says oh no that's

4162
02:12:50,893 --> 02:12:51,143
confidential information.

4163
02:12:52,861 --> 02:12:53,111
there's proprietary information

4164
02:12:54,630 --> 02:12:54,880
this and that. I don't care if

4165
02:12:56,365 --> 02:12:56,615
they redact some of that stuff

4166
02:12:58,367 --> 02:12:58,617
out and we get the the cost

4167
02:12:59,168 --> 02:12:59,418
although I prefer to have it all

4168
02:13:00,602 --> 02:13:00,852
but I just want to kind of head

4169
02:13:02,337 --> 02:13:02,587
that off at the past if we could

4170
02:13:04,640 --> 02:13:04,890
Mr chairir and just go one

4171
02:13:05,174 --> 02:13:05,424
step further to make sure we get

4172
02:13:05,841 --> 02:13:06,091
that information

4173
02:13:08,844 --> 02:13:09,094
Senator hickey it sounds like

4174
02:13:10,579 --> 02:13:10,829
you are trying to lay out some

4175
02:13:11,413 --> 02:13:11,663
reasonable ground rules before

4176
02:13:13,182 --> 02:13:13,432
we come back and look at this

4177
02:13:16,351 --> 02:13:16,601
and I certainly concur with

4178
02:13:16,985 --> 02:13:17,235
everything you just said

4179
02:13:20,722 --> 02:13:20,972
because so much of this

4180
02:13:21,256 --> 02:13:21,506
information that we've seen in

4181
02:13:24,359 --> 02:13:24,609
the newspaper is literally it's

4182
02:13:26,361 --> 02:13:26,611
part of it even today I think

4183
02:13:27,162 --> 02:13:27,412
this will give us a little time

4184
02:13:30,365 --> 02:13:30,615
to digest this ask them those

4185
02:13:32,601 --> 02:13:32,851
questions we might not like the

4186
02:13:34,803 --> 02:13:35,053
format that they want to do but

4187
02:13:37,406 --> 02:13:37,656
that we can at least get an

4188
02:13:38,607 --> 02:13:38,857
agreement of how we're going to

4189
02:13:41,109 --> 02:13:41,359
proceed because we're again the

4190
02:13:43,111 --> 02:13:43,361
whole idea of splitting this up

4191
02:13:44,846 --> 02:13:45,096
was not so we could come back

4192
02:13:46,615 --> 02:13:46,865
next month so we could get the

4193
02:13:47,216 --> 02:13:47,466
real answers that we need so I

4194
02:13:50,586 --> 02:13:50,836
appreciate that and certainly

4195
02:13:52,821 --> 02:13:53,071
if we see things that their

4196
02:13:54,590 --> 02:13:54,840
interpretation is not what we

4197
02:13:56,892 --> 02:13:57,142
thought it was last year then we

4198
02:13:58,660 --> 02:13:58,910
can look in January about maybe

4199
02:14:00,629 --> 02:14:00,879
changing the law on that but

4200
02:14:01,263 --> 02:14:01,513
let ma'am chair so

4201
02:14:03,031 --> 02:14:03,281
so let me ask you this are

4202
02:14:06,802 --> 02:14:07,052
before the next meeting through

4203
02:14:08,570 --> 02:14:08,820
the chairs or the chairs going

4204
02:14:10,572 --> 02:14:10,822
to attempt to to work that out

4205
02:14:11,273 --> 02:14:11,523
among both parties to make sure

4206
02:14:14,343 --> 02:14:14,593
that they that the PSC can do

4207
02:14:15,077 --> 02:14:15,327
that information with with your

4208
02:14:17,079 --> 02:14:17,329
guidance I will speak to

4209
02:14:19,081 --> 02:14:19,331
co-chair shepherd and we will

4210
02:14:21,083 --> 02:14:21,333
try to accomplish that so we're

4211
02:14:22,851 --> 02:14:23,101
we're all on the same page when

4212
02:14:24,853 --> 02:14:25,103
we show up inoctober and and and

4213
02:14:26,622 --> 02:14:26,872
maybe they legally can't do it

4214
02:14:27,222 --> 02:14:27,472
and if that's the way it is

4215
02:14:28,890 --> 02:14:29,140
that's the way it'll be but if

4216
02:14:30,626 --> 02:14:30,876
that's their position we'll have

4217
02:14:32,594 --> 02:14:32,844
to deal with that but if it's as

4218
02:14:33,228 --> 02:14:33,478
simple asgy saying no it's ok to

4219
02:14:33,895 --> 02:14:34,145
release

4220
02:14:36,331 --> 02:14:36,581
it then you know I'd want us to

4221
02:14:38,300 --> 02:14:38,550
go to go down that path also.

4222
02:14:40,335 --> 02:14:40,585
well you're asking the right

4223
02:14:41,036 --> 02:14:41,286
questions and when we get those

4224
02:14:42,838 --> 02:14:43,088
answers we can decide the best

4225
02:14:44,573 --> 02:14:44,823
way to proceed thank you sir

4226
02:14:48,377 --> 02:14:48,627
thank yousenator hickey I see

4227
02:14:49,111 --> 02:14:49,361
no one else in the queue thank

4228
02:14:51,113 --> 02:14:51,363
you all for coming and there's

4229
02:14:52,648 --> 02:14:52,898
nothing else we are adjourned