1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:09,660 Senate National Resources Committee for Wednesday, May 27, will come to order. 2 00:00:12,580 --> 00:00:27,880 Even though I thought we had our act together in announced a change of order at the well earlier, we're going to have to be flexible on our bill order, as we have sponsors kind of scattered throughout the building and with different obligations. 3 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:36,320 but we will go ahead and start with a number of 4 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,260 of confirmations, and let me catch up with myself on the calendar. 5 00:00:41,340 --> 00:00:46,140 It is worth describing for the record that unique circumstances that we were on. 6 00:00:46,820 --> 00:00:53,360 We have agreed that we are doing confirmations without having the members here 7 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,960 due to health and safety concerns. 8 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:04,080 All of these, all of the people that were up for confirmation have been shared with committees 9 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,500 as a committee has had an opportunity to reach out to members of the head concerns or questions. 10 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:17,660 But with that, Mr. Vice-Chirst, Senator Rodriguez, would you care to walk us through some motions? 11 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Oh, that was good. I was waiting for attendance. Senator Sonnenberg, is that with you? How about we do some roll call? 12 00:01:28,100 --> 00:01:29,260 Sanitors, Coral. 13 00:01:31,660 --> 00:01:32,760 He's excused. 14 00:01:32,980 --> 00:01:33,700 Sanibur? 15 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,180 He's excused. 16 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:38,380 Sorry. 17 00:01:39,960 --> 00:01:40,200 Here. 18 00:01:41,340 --> 00:01:42,380 Half here. 19 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,800 With that, now shall we do some motions on confirmation. 20 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:48,960 Senator Rodriguez. 21 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:50,580 Thank you, Madam Chair. 22 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:53,780 I move to the full Senate with a favorable recommendation. 23 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:59,620 the appointment of Mike J. Zimmerman to the coal-mined board of examiners for the favorable recommendation? 24 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:04,020 It is a proper motion, Mr. Becker. Please take a roll. 25 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:07,790 I'm excuse. 26 00:02:09,050 --> 00:02:09,250 I. 27 00:02:10,310 --> 00:02:10,870 Sorry. 28 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:12,770 Are you good? 29 00:02:12,910 --> 00:02:13,290 Aye. 30 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:14,310 Aye. 31 00:02:15,670 --> 00:02:20,490 That passes 40-01 excused in the objection to the consent calendar. 32 00:02:21,550 --> 00:02:24,150 Seeing a lot of them to the consent calendar, Senator Rodriguez. 33 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:31,990 Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to the full Senate with a favorable recommendation, the re-appointment of Lauren Duncan to the Mindland Reclamation Board. 34 00:02:32,710 --> 00:02:36,530 It is a proper motion. Mr. Becker, please take the roll. 35 00:02:37,230 --> 00:02:39,610 Senator, or I'm excused? 36 00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:40,730 Aye. 37 00:02:41,930 --> 00:02:42,210 Sorry? 38 00:02:42,670 --> 00:02:43,030 Yes. 39 00:02:44,170 --> 00:02:44,390 Aye. 40 00:02:45,510 --> 00:02:45,750 Aye. 41 00:02:46,990 --> 00:02:51,470 That passes 40-0 with one excuse in the objection to the consent calendar. 42 00:02:52,610 --> 00:02:55,350 We'll put them on the consent calendar. Senator Rodriguez, please. 43 00:02:55,450 --> 00:02:58,750 Thank you, Madam Chair. I move to the full Senate with a federal recommendation. 44 00:02:59,170 --> 00:03:06,610 The appointments of Brian Koppam, Jeffrey Mandrich, and Miguel Badagon to the Colorado State Fair Authority Board of Directors. 45 00:03:07,790 --> 00:03:10,470 That is a proper motion, Mr. Becker. Please take the roll. 46 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:11,970 Senator Square, I'm excuse. 47 00:03:12,890 --> 00:03:13,810 It's on a book. 48 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:15,150 Story? 49 00:03:15,770 --> 00:03:16,010 Yes. 50 00:03:16,950 --> 00:03:17,170 Hi. 51 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:19,740 Hi. 52 00:03:20,700 --> 00:03:25,460 That passes for to zero with one excuse any objection to the consent calendar. 53 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:27,280 See none like that. 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,400 Senator Rodriguez, please. 55 00:03:30,700 --> 00:03:31,440 Thank you, Madam Chair. 56 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,560 I move to the full Senate with a federal recommendation. 57 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,460 The re-appointment of Michael Gooseff and the appointments of John 58 00:03:37,460 --> 00:03:40,840 Ott and Charles Weber to the water quality control commission. 59 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,200 That is a proper motion, Mr. Baker, please take it off. 60 00:03:44,500 --> 00:03:46,220 Senator, you're just going to excuse Senator. 61 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:47,960 Sorry? 62 00:03:48,420 --> 00:03:48,780 Yes. 63 00:03:49,820 --> 00:03:50,360 What do you have? 64 00:03:52,380 --> 00:03:52,620 Aye. 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:59,580 That is for zero with one excuse any objection to the consent calendar. 66 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:01,700 All right. 67 00:04:01,980 --> 00:04:03,560 Well, we rushed through those. 68 00:04:03,620 --> 00:04:04,900 Thank you, team. 69 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,360 And for any of the folks listening, 70 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:12,760 And we certainly appreciate your commitment to serve the state of Colorado. 71 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:17,660 We would have loved to have had time to chat with you all in person, but in exceptional 72 00:04:17,660 --> 00:04:25,640 circumstances we will thank you for your service over the air waves instead of in person. 73 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,900 So thanks for your ongoing or perhaps your first service to the state on one of these boards. 74 00:04:31,340 --> 00:04:37,740 These commissions are really the unsung heroes of a lot of the work that the state does. 75 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:52,060 With that, we can move on to our bills, we do have six bills to consider and let's just hop around, I suppose. 76 00:04:52,060 --> 00:04:59,060 Senator Sonnenberg, are you okay with starting on 1072 since you are president accounted for? 77 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:08,160 I did ask Senator Bridges if he was okay with us proceeding without him and he said that that was fine. 78 00:05:08,420 --> 00:05:13,820 Sorry, I'm catching you a little bit off guard. It's payback for you not telling me I forgot to do roll. 79 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:24,220 Thank you, Madam Chair, and if that's the only payback, life is good, so thank you. 80 00:05:24,980 --> 00:05:29,080 Madam Chair, this was an interim water committee bill, as you probably remember. 81 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:37,680 One of those good ones that we thought was appropriate that needed pursuit, given the current status of things, 82 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,500 where we have to cut and need to prioritize water funding as well. 83 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,980 I would ask that we and move that we postpone indefinitely, 84 00:05:48,100 --> 00:05:49,740 and I do not remember the bill number. 85 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,440 1072. 86 00:05:51,820 --> 00:05:52,460 1072. 87 00:05:53,540 --> 00:05:58,060 Thank you, Senator Sonnaburg, for that motion to postpone 88 00:05:58,060 --> 00:05:58,840 in definitely 1072. 89 00:05:59,900 --> 00:06:02,800 Is there anyone who wishes to testify on 1072? 90 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,180 to see non-will closed testimony. 91 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,600 I am assuming that there are no amendments. 92 00:06:10,540 --> 00:06:13,400 Seeing no amendments, we'll go ahead and close the testimony 93 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,680 at the amendment phases. 94 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:19,440 So we do have a proper motion to postpone 95 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:23,240 a definitely 1072 at the sponsors request. 96 00:06:23,340 --> 00:06:25,260 Mr. Becker, will you please take the roll. 97 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:26,920 There's more of an excuse, Senator. 98 00:06:27,900 --> 00:06:28,140 Sorry? 99 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:29,080 Yes. 100 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:29,900 Right where do you go? 101 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:30,540 Hi. 102 00:06:31,020 --> 00:06:31,360 I'm John. 103 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,280 I'm John. 104 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:33,220 I'm Francis Request. 105 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:40,720 That bill will be postponed and definitely on a 4 to 0 with one excused. 106 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,080 Moving on, then let 107 00:06:46,420 --> 00:06:50,400 me see if we maybe we need to do a little bit more of a forceful request 108 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:51,600 for Senator Corm. 109 00:06:52,100 --> 00:06:53,940 We have one of those sponsors here. 110 00:06:56,270 --> 00:07:02,050 Yeah, do you, Senator, a story would you like to go ahead and present House Bill 1191? 111 00:07:03,910 --> 00:07:07,610 I certainly will. I forgot that soon. It's on here. 112 00:07:08,370 --> 00:07:12,930 So just now. Oh, and Senator Story. Thank you for joining us on Ag today. 113 00:07:13,450 --> 00:07:16,050 Thank you for having me happy to be here. 114 00:07:16,610 --> 00:07:22,210 So yes, this outdoor recreation industry office bill was to 115 00:07:22,210 --> 00:07:28,570 codify and office that it already exists and just codify and 116 00:07:28,570 --> 00:07:42,350 statute, and it has been operational, and we decided that this was a bill that could wait until later in order to optimize our time here with focus on more critical bills. 117 00:07:43,230 --> 00:07:52,570 And so I wish to also lay this bill over until some other time, let's say August 20th. 118 00:07:54,750 --> 00:08:00,970 So I moved that we lay over Houseville 1191 to August 20th. 119 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:02,470 That is a proper motion. 120 00:08:02,770 --> 00:08:03,530 Thank you, Senator. 121 00:08:03,750 --> 00:08:04,090 Story. 122 00:08:04,330 --> 00:08:08,710 Is there anyone here to testify on Houseville 1191? 123 00:08:09,790 --> 00:08:12,330 Seeing no one here to testify will close the testimony. 124 00:08:13,210 --> 00:08:13,230 Faith. 125 00:08:13,510 --> 00:08:17,990 Are there any amendments that people would like to offer on Houseville 1191? 126 00:08:18,590 --> 00:08:21,530 Seeing no amendments will close the amendment. 127 00:08:21,530 --> 00:08:26,970 phase. We have a motion on the floor. Mr. Becker, please take the role in that amendment 128 00:08:26,970 --> 00:08:33,930 is to lay over House full 1191 to August 20. Senator Sporov, excuse on the board. 129 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:36,490 Aye. Sorry. Yes. 130 00:08:37,130 --> 00:08:37,290 Aye. 131 00:08:38,330 --> 00:08:47,770 It sponsors request aye. That motion passes on a 401 excuse. I guess that then leaves only me to move 132 00:08:47,770 --> 00:08:54,750 forward and as we await for Senator Finnberg to be able to join us to present his two bills. 133 00:08:56,410 --> 00:09:01,110 It does the committee have any objection if I just sit here to present the bills and move on. 134 00:09:02,370 --> 00:09:10,630 So let me, why don't we start with Senate Bill 121. Senator Rodriguez, would you like to take the 135 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:17,510 chair while I do my couple bills? Yes, sure. I guess I don't know if I have a choice but I will do it. 136 00:09:17,770 --> 00:09:20,390 You say, no, we can ask you. 137 00:09:20,450 --> 00:09:21,450 That's true. 138 00:09:21,890 --> 00:09:22,930 Yes, thank you. 139 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:27,490 Senate Bill 121, would you like to talk about your bill, Senator Donovan? 140 00:09:28,410 --> 00:09:28,910 Thank you. 141 00:09:31,050 --> 00:09:36,790 So if the committee will permit me a little bit of time on 121, not extensive, 142 00:09:38,990 --> 00:09:39,510 but so Senate 143 00:09:39,510 --> 00:09:46,830 Bill 121 was a bill that was getting quite extensive attention, I would say, at least certainly 144 00:09:46,830 --> 00:09:56,750 my part of the world on the Western slope. Before we temporarily adjourned and it also brought together 145 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:59,550 and this is what I would like to express a month. 146 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:05,880 A lot of pretty incredible and difficult conversations. 147 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:22,680 In the waning weeks of my six years in this building, I would say the policy that this work eventually produced is some of the policy that I'm most proud of that I've ever written and pulled together. 148 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:31,520 I would really like to express gratitude to the draft or Mr. Morris on this. 149 00:10:32,730 --> 00:10:42,580 We all know his talents and they certainly shown on this bill of bringing together a complicated 150 00:10:42,580 --> 00:10:45,100 issues in elegant and clear language. 151 00:10:46,620 --> 00:10:51,120 And so with the committee's permission, I will be quite transparent about what I would like 152 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:56,360 do and would ask for your support. There is a strike below, multi-page strike below that was 153 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,640 emailed to your yesterday six pages. I'm hoping that the committee will consider adopting 154 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:07,020 that strike below so that it's on the public record and then after that I will ask for this 155 00:11:07,020 --> 00:11:12,120 bill to get laid over. The reason that I would like the strike below to be adopted and on the public 156 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:20,080 record is because I think it has a lot of thoughtful ideas in it and we have the potential of 157 00:11:21,220 --> 00:11:23,960 Wolves being, we have two situations. 158 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:31,340 We have the potential of a ballot measure this fall passing that would begin the 159 00:11:31,340 --> 00:11:33,440 wheels turning on Wolves' reintroduction. 160 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:40,400 We also know that we have a pack of Wolves that have entered on their own in Northern Colorado. 161 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,020 And so we have Wolves in the state. 162 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:50,260 Both of those scenarios, we don't currently have any answers on the books of how to approach 163 00:11:50,260 --> 00:11:58,600 them arriving on their own forelegs or them arriving via helping them on their own forelegs. 164 00:11:58,780 --> 00:12:15,280 And so I would hope that the work of a diverse and quite honestly a post stakeholder group would be able to be publicly available as we consider the future of wolves in the state. 165 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,920 So with that, Mr. Chair, 166 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:31,000 if it's okay with you, I guess I would go ahead and move L001 to Senate Bill 121 and ask for it's the professional courtesy of it being adopted. 167 00:12:33,180 --> 00:12:39,640 Thank you, Senator Donovan. Is there any objections to the members of Senator Sonberg? 168 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:50,620 Thank you, Mr. Sharon, I really don't know how to handle this, not to respect to the chairman 169 00:12:50,620 --> 00:12:52,320 and what she is trying to do. 170 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,180 I appreciate what she's trying to do. 171 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:04,460 I absolutely can't be on record to support the policy and that amendment. 172 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:14,460 If you would like to have a conversation offline, I'm willing to do that, but I'm going 173 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:21,720 to have to be in no outer respect, I understand where I'm at, I'm at the end of the 174 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:21,740 end. 175 00:13:21,820 --> 00:13:22,020 Okay. 176 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,200 Then I do object to the amendment. 177 00:13:25,540 --> 00:13:25,780 Okay. 178 00:13:26,380 --> 00:13:28,840 There's a motion on the floor to object the amendment. 179 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,320 Mr. we take the roll. 180 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,280 Senator's corps makes huge son of Berg. 181 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:40,800 Story. Yes. Donovan. Yes. Oh. Yes. I don't know. 182 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:49,160 Mr. Chair. Yes. That motion passes with the vote of three to one. Any other discussion 183 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,080 on your bill? Senator Donovan? 184 00:13:54,430 --> 00:13:58,090 That portion is closed. Any discussion? Anybody would 185 00:13:58,090 --> 00:14:04,390 like to testify on this bill? Okay. Well, that portion is closed too. Let's move to the 186 00:14:04,390 --> 00:14:06,410 motion, do you would like to make a motion on your bill? 187 00:14:06,790 --> 00:14:08,290 Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. 188 00:14:09,150 --> 00:14:14,590 I moved to postpone and definitely Senate Bill 121, 189 00:14:15,610 --> 00:14:18,290 which I assume is the motion Senator Sonnenberg will vote for. 190 00:14:19,410 --> 00:14:20,670 There is a proper motion. 191 00:14:21,630 --> 00:14:22,490 Please take the roll. 192 00:14:23,170 --> 00:14:24,610 Senator's core, I'm excuse the sonnenberg. 193 00:14:26,730 --> 00:14:26,930 Aye. 194 00:14:28,550 --> 00:14:28,870 Yes. 195 00:14:29,610 --> 00:14:29,710 Honour. 196 00:14:30,410 --> 00:14:30,950 Ow. 197 00:14:31,450 --> 00:14:32,070 No, aye. 198 00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:35,350 I'm sorry that I am Mr. Chair. 199 00:14:35,770 --> 00:14:40,830 Hi, that motion passes the bill is laid over until August 1, 2020. 200 00:14:41,630 --> 00:14:45,310 Thank you for the presentation, and I give it back to the chair. 201 00:14:46,470 --> 00:14:47,050 Thank you. 202 00:14:47,090 --> 00:14:51,410 I think you have to walk me through one more because we need to do Senate Bill 201. 203 00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:52,910 Okay. 204 00:14:54,050 --> 00:14:55,510 Okay, we'll move to Senate Bill 201. 205 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:57,810 Would you like to introduce your bill, Senator Donovan? 206 00:14:58,590 --> 00:14:59,630 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 207 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:13,180 The classic species conservation trust fund bill is in front of us today. I do have an amendment for 208 00:15:13,180 --> 00:15:22,040 it. Mr. Chair, so I'll give the committee a heads up on that. If you haven't received it, I do have paper copies if that is something. 209 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:32,400 you feel comfortable having but the species conservation trust fund bill is a bill that we 210 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:38,980 annually do. I'm sure many of you are familiar with that this is not. This is just a bill that 211 00:15:38,980 --> 00:15:46,100 we do that largely gives this spending authority. It gives us a chance to review it and give a double 212 00:15:46,100 --> 00:15:52,860 check on if this, the priorities in this field rate and then it gives the authority for the 213 00:15:52,860 --> 00:16:06,080 Department of Natural Resources in consultation with other divisions to spend money on various projects. 214 00:16:08,930 --> 00:16:16,210 Senate, the amendment to this bill under obvious under these circumstances adjust the funding 215 00:16:16,210 --> 00:16:23,750 that's currently mentioned in the bill. So I would move Senate Bill 201 to appropriations 216 00:16:23,750 --> 00:16:27,470 and as well as move amendment L001. 217 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:31,590 Thank you. Is there any questions for the sponsor? 218 00:16:32,770 --> 00:16:36,130 Okay. Thank you. Is there any, we don't have anybody signed up for testimony? Is there anybody 219 00:16:36,130 --> 00:16:41,930 in the audience elected testify? All right. And that step will move on to the amendment 220 00:16:41,930 --> 00:16:49,530 phase. Is there any discussion about the amendment? Seeing none, Mr. 221 00:16:49,990 --> 00:16:54,370 We've made take the roll. On adoption of the amendment, there's there's one. 222 00:16:56,660 --> 00:17:01,940 Senators. Quaram. Oh, is there any objection? Okay. Let's see that amendment, 223 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,380 there's zero one is adopted. To the bill, was there a motion? 224 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,860 Oh, we'll just go off 225 00:17:13,860 --> 00:17:20,180 to appropriations as amended? Is there any objections to that? Do we need to take roll? 226 00:17:20,620 --> 00:17:22,360 Okay. It could be your mind, Terry. 227 00:17:26,260 --> 00:17:29,440 I know. Motion, motion on the table is through 228 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:34,560 a first Senate bill. 201 has amended to the Committee on Appropriations and that there's 229 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,240 This is Laura McSkees and her son-in-brake. 230 00:17:37,340 --> 00:17:38,180 It's our story. 231 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:38,640 Yes. 232 00:17:40,020 --> 00:17:40,460 Donovan? 233 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:41,520 All right. 234 00:17:42,060 --> 00:17:42,540 Mr. Chair. 235 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:43,680 Aye. 236 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,860 With the four votes and one excuse, that is a proper movement. 237 00:17:48,900 --> 00:17:50,880 This bill will be going to appropriations. 238 00:17:51,540 --> 00:17:53,020 I give the gavel back to the chair. 239 00:17:55,260 --> 00:17:56,600 And thank you. 240 00:17:56,820 --> 00:17:58,160 Thank you, Senator Rodriguez. 241 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,960 We know our missing a sponsor. 242 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,620 Oh, but we gained a member. 243 00:18:08,970 --> 00:18:22,210 Well, let me text our missing sponsor, and I'm not very good at multitasking right now apologies. 244 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:31,070 But let me take this time while we are waiting for Senator Frenberg to join us. 245 00:18:31,090 --> 00:18:33,410 And thank you Senator Marble for being here. 246 00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:46,630 I do think this is our last ag meeting of this, which kind of dawn on me this morning with a bit of abruptness. 247 00:18:48,650 --> 00:18:55,750 So I would like to take some time on the record to thank Mr. Becker. 248 00:18:56,430 --> 00:19:04,430 I think we are a very lucky committee to have a staff member as talented dedicated and knowledgeable as Mr. Becker. 249 00:19:04,830 --> 00:19:07,310 He has saved my height many times. 250 00:19:07,710 --> 00:19:17,090 I assume that statement is true for other members on the committee and not only has he always diligently helping me with Ag, 251 00:19:17,850 --> 00:19:22,830 but he's one of the go-to people in this building for any questions concerns or problems that I'm having. 252 00:19:22,830 --> 00:19:28,990 In fact, even just yesterday, he fixed a transportation issue that we had before I was even 253 00:19:28,990 --> 00:19:30,430 able to get back to my office. 254 00:19:31,170 --> 00:19:36,550 So the people of Colorado are incredibly lucky to have individuals like Mr. Becker working 255 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:37,350 behind the scenes. 256 00:19:37,670 --> 00:19:42,110 They're truly the unsung heroes of the things that we are able to do. 257 00:19:42,250 --> 00:19:46,450 Our names get to be in the headlines, our bills, fill the newspapers, but we would not be 258 00:19:46,450 --> 00:19:48,250 able to do any of that without Mr. Becker. 259 00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:52,490 So, thank you, sir, for your continued service and everything you do, Senator Corrum. 260 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:54,410 Well, thank you. 261 00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:57,470 I was going to say if he was a little younger, that started out like a eulogy, so. 262 00:19:58,710 --> 00:19:58,790 Hi. 263 00:19:59,710 --> 00:19:59,990 I guess. 264 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,280 In the crisis of time, we're in it could be anyway. Anyway, thank you. 265 00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:08,380 Any other comments? 266 00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:15,710 I'd like to thank them for my first year in helping me now get through this committee with 267 00:20:15,710 --> 00:20:20,270 flying through carried on events, all amendments, all in one statement and rushing through their 268 00:20:20,270 --> 00:20:20,870 patience. 269 00:20:23,740 --> 00:20:24,260 And 270 00:20:26,430 --> 00:20:30,210 I also just would add an appreciation for this committee. 271 00:20:30,210 --> 00:20:34,310 this building can be contentious, frustrating, 272 00:20:36,430 --> 00:20:39,190 soul crushing on some days, but I have found 273 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:50,230 this committee willingness to laugh at ourselves, work together on behalf of a group of citizens 274 00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:56,350 in Colorado that are, I would say, underrepresented, and so I think this committee bears an 275 00:21:01,110 --> 00:21:06,770 and I'm very proud to be a member of it, and I'm very proud of the work that the 276 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:12,690 senators that serve on this committee have done. Even when we disagree, I know that everyone's 277 00:21:12,690 --> 00:21:17,490 heart is in the right place, and I think that's the most, the most that anyone can ask 278 00:21:17,490 --> 00:21:22,310 of a public servant, and I think you guys all serve your communities very noble. So, since 279 00:21:22,310 --> 00:21:28,030 appreciation for all of you and the service that you've had since the communities of Ag and 280 00:21:28,030 --> 00:21:30,630 rural Colorado for the past two years. 281 00:21:32,670 --> 00:21:35,030 With that someone can get Senator Sunberg some tissue, 282 00:21:35,130 --> 00:21:39,430 you guys can't see it, but he's crying. He's literally sobbing right now because of my remarkable 283 00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:50,270 words and we will bring Senator Finberg and Senator Marble up to present 197. Madam Chair. 284 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:52,170 Oh, Senator Zumber, please. 285 00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:53,950 Why are you bringing those up? 286 00:21:54,130 --> 00:21:56,310 For some reason, in my box, 287 00:21:56,630 --> 00:21:58,410 I cannot find the amendment to the 288 00:21:58,410 --> 00:22:00,270 Species Conservation Bill. 289 00:22:13,420 --> 00:22:14,940 For with Senator Fendberg or Senator 290 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:17,760 Remember, whoever like to talk and 291 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,620 introduce 197, just for the record, 292 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,200 we did receive some written testimony on this bill. 293 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,100 And so that will be included as part of the official record. 294 00:22:30,100 --> 00:22:36,320 And we also have people to testify on this bill, so we will afford them that opportunity as well. 295 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,580 But Senators, however, would like to start, please go ahead. 296 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,140 Thank you, Madam Chair. 297 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,260 I'll be brief. 298 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:53,080 This is obviously a bill that was in the in the works and in the pipeline before we adjourned in March. 299 00:22:53,080 --> 00:23:00,820 Many bills are not a priority at this moment, given the circumstances, but this one I think 300 00:23:00,820 --> 00:23:05,620 was clear that it still needs to happen, while we can get it done. 301 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:12,740 And that's because the federal government has finally learned a thing or two from the 302 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:20,660 good people of Colorado and has started taking action when it comes to agricultural and industrial 303 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:27,340 hemp and we want to make sure that we are in line with them. So that in the interim, we don't 304 00:23:28,220 --> 00:23:33,580 inadvertently no longer have a legal hemp program, but we need to make sure we are aligned with 305 00:23:33,580 --> 00:23:38,760 federal law so that we can continue to do what we do from the regulators perspective, but also 306 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:46,740 from the producers and other folks in the chain continue to do what they do and run their businesses. 307 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:53,440 There is an amendment that I think is from the Department that we'll discuss in a moment, 308 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:58,940 and I will say there had been a lot of other conversations about potentially adding some 309 00:23:58,940 --> 00:24:04,680 other things to this bill, and I just want to say in the front end, I have not had the time 310 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,500 to totally digest what all those conversations are. 311 00:24:07,900 --> 00:24:13,000 But I think folks are going to inform us of those in apologies in advance for not returning 312 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,220 some people's voicemails and having some of those conversations that I'd normally would have, 313 00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:23,100 but obviously things have been a little crazy. But if the core of it, this bill really is 314 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:29,160 just to make sure that Colorado is aligned with federal law and we don't inadvertently have 315 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:35,000 an illegal hemp program running, come October, before we come back to the legislature in January. 316 00:24:37,500 --> 00:24:41,040 Senator Marble, anything you'd like to add? 317 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:43,600 Thank you, Madam Chair. 318 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:52,740 I just want to thank my co-prime sponsor for always being there on these bills. 319 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,200 Please be an absolutely fantastic to work with. 320 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:59,960 And if you recall, we passed a resolution. 321 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:13,780 Earlier this year regarding the farmers and a lot of their grievances with the USDA and their definitions of certain things that they came through. 322 00:25:14,140 --> 00:25:28,920 And this bill is actually going a bit further with that resolution in trying to help the farmers and save what is left of the hemp industry and try to rebuild from here. 323 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:47,260 The farmers deserve our support, they deserve our ear and the ability to know that we are doing everything in our power to make it available to them and easier for them to plant this season. 324 00:25:47,260 --> 00:26:13,240 So thanks to Senator Finberg or Majority Leader Finberg and for always being there for the things that are so important because these hemp bills for me have been very rewarding and very informative and I am very passionate for the farmers and very passionate about the hemp industry 325 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:24,180 it has really taken some hits and bumps along the way because it has, it's a new thing and 326 00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:30,880 been declassified and with that still we have knee-jerk reaction from around the world to 327 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:38,620 exactly what do we do with hemp? Well this bill is a good start. So I want to thank you Madam Chair 328 00:26:38,620 --> 00:26:45,120 and committee members and majority leader for always being a great partner on hand. 329 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,860 Thank you very much Senator Marble. Are there any questions or comments from the committee 330 00:26:53,860 --> 00:26:56,220 before we move on to witness? 331 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:02,780 All right, with that, we will go ahead and move on to hearing for 332 00:27:02,780 --> 00:27:10,560 witnesses. Senators, I will ask you to leave the desk. We have two witnesses signed up. 333 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:17,920 If you're comfortable coming up both at once, we would ask you to join us if you want to come up one at one that's fine as well. 334 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:22,920 But Ms. Thompson and Mr. Heiser is that correct? 335 00:27:23,220 --> 00:27:23,800 Yes, thank you. 336 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,500 Wonderful. Thank you for coming in today. 337 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:34,640 Ms. Thompson, if you would like to go ahead and shoot for somewhere between, oh, yes. 338 00:27:36,180 --> 00:27:37,200 That very subtle indication. 339 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:43,340 to go first if you can fall between the two and three minute mark would be 340 00:27:43,340 --> 00:27:46,500 excellence but we'd love to hear your thoughts on 1997 please. 341 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Thank you very much Madam Chair and members of the committee. 342 00:27:50,340 --> 00:27:54,940 The sponsors I'm here I submitted written testimony in my capacity as 343 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,920 Executive Director and Chief Legal Strategies for live well. 344 00:27:59,380 --> 00:28:07,180 I'm here in another capacity today. My name is Dean Heiser. I'm the chairman of the 345 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:12,160 also the longest acting during the Association of Colorado. 346 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600 We had a relatively extensive legislative agenda, 347 00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:18,460 as a two-most of you did this year as well. 348 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,620 And we have foregone that entire agenda, 349 00:28:20,820 --> 00:28:23,980 and I wouldn't be here unless what we were testifying about 350 00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:27,080 was really important to our membership and to myself as well. 351 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:29,540 We fully support the chance process. 352 00:28:29,940 --> 00:28:32,140 We fully support the Legalization Hemp. 353 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,280 We're here to support a possible amendment of the bill 354 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:42,020 to address what our membership believes are serious deficiencies that place the public health at risk. 355 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:58,800 There is no provision in Colorado law at present that provides for testing of industrial hemp products that are intended for human consumption on par with testing and labeling that is applied to marijuana products. 356 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:06,040 In my written testimony, and I believe in some written testimony that you received from the open label project project, 357 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:12,280 which is I would say they are a nonprofit third party, no skin in the game. 358 00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:20,300 Group that tested approximately 400 hemp products that are on the market and on the shelves today. 359 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:27,000 It's scary to say that a substantial percentage of the hemp products that are on the shelf today have as much lead in them 360 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:34,200 more than Flint Michigan's water supply, and so we are here to support an amendment that 361 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:43,640 would align testing of hemp products with the comprehensive testing supervised by the 362 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:56,320 CDPHE and the MED that applies to marijuana products. We believe it's fundamental for the 363 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,960 support the mechanisms that were first voted last year. 364 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:16,820 In the marijuana sense bill that started trying to align hemp and marijuana testing by requiring that all testing are all marijuana that are all hemp that is sold in marijuana stores has to be tested to the level of marijuana products. 365 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:28,960 We believe that for purposes of this committee, we should take that to the next level and make sure that what people are putting in their bodies are tested to the level of what marijuana is tested. 366 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:33,640 And without I will take any questions that you might have. 367 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,620 Any questions for this witness? 368 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:37,840 Senator, please. 369 00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:43,120 And I'm not sure if now's the proper time to ask about the amendment, 370 00:30:43,380 --> 00:30:45,580 or if you'd rather have Kristen test five first, 371 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:50,220 and then maybe either one of them could answer whatever you're. 372 00:30:52,180 --> 00:30:55,800 You want to jump in as something and then we can loop it back to. 373 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:57,460 Okay. Thank you, Madam Chair. 374 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,360 Go ahead, I will also be speaking to the amendment. 375 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,540 Hi, my name is Kristen Thompson. 376 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:08,440 I'm here representing the Green Solution, which is a cannabis company. 377 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,140 I want to lower your cannabis companies here in Colorado. 378 00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:18,340 You did receive written testimony from our one of the owners, so I'm not going to repeat 379 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:19,140 that. 380 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,820 I'm really going to sort of talk to history and the CBD products. 381 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:43,280 So, one of really important pieces of background and why this bill is that under the federal policy, the Farm Bill, there was no distinction made between hemp, the agricultural commodity and hemp products. 382 00:31:43,540 --> 00:31:53,060 They're looped into one definition because Colorado has a very long history with hemp legalization long eight years. 383 00:31:54,900 --> 00:32:01,960 We have developed a different definition of hemp product to make that distinction. 384 00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:09,380 We want to make sure that those two things remain distinct in the law as Senate Bill 385 00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:11,340 197 moves forward. 386 00:32:12,500 --> 00:32:16,820 That's why we really are pursuing the amendment on this bill that they get to move forward 387 00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:19,980 at the same time when we're talking about federal alignment. 388 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,640 So, obviously, we are not, we've got a long history with hemp products here in Colorado. 389 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:33,980 We're not talking about our farmers and our locally grown hemp products. 390 00:32:34,180 --> 00:32:41,420 We are talking about products coming from China, not born from our farmers or product manufacturers. 391 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:51,800 A lot of those products you will see in the Clean Label Project tested hot for THC, as well as metals, microbials, etc. 392 00:32:53,260 --> 00:32:59,800 A lot of these products being to notoriety through helping children with seizures and other conditions. 393 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,640 Years ago, actually, they were developed and regulated through the marijuana system, 394 00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:14,000 Even though the levels of THC were miniscule, that got separated a couple years ago, it is 395 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:19,500 because of this history that the Green Solution and really the marijuana industry is a whole 396 00:33:19,500 --> 00:33:28,880 support that had been industry and the use of CBD is of a supplement, including allowing 397 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:41,980 That's all your decision, but helping subsidize the hemp regulatory program through the use of marijuana money to over $10 million at this point. 398 00:33:42,340 --> 00:33:54,060 That includes the champ process that was said you've heard today set up in Senate Bill 220 last year, which was literally titled almost the same. 399 00:33:54,060 --> 00:34:00,860 alignment with the federal hemp policy, as well as Senate Bill 240, again from last year that 400 00:34:00,860 --> 00:34:03,740 really addressed this hemp products issue. 401 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,740 We feel that, again, if we're going beyond that process right now, that it is important 402 00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:14,460 that we include the hemp products part of that. 403 00:34:14,540 --> 00:34:19,700 The health of CBD consumers is no more important than the health of the marijuana consumers. 404 00:34:19,700 --> 00:34:26,460 Because these products can be sold to anyone, meaning CBD can be sold to anyone, including 405 00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:28,900 consumers under the age of 21. 406 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,000 So we do feel that the time is now and that public health should be protected. 407 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:35,200 Thank you. 408 00:34:39,100 --> 00:34:39,700 Thank you. 409 00:34:39,780 --> 00:34:41,560 Senator Sonnenberg, back to you. 410 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:49,540 Well, thank you, Madam Chair, and I guess maybe it covered both of you talked about the 411 00:34:49,540 --> 00:34:51,600 visions that are in that amendment, 412 00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:59,800 and why we need, or why you believe we need that is there's something. 413 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:07,300 I guess I'm anxious when the sponsors come back up to have that conversation with them as well. 414 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:26,080 Is it necessary for your industry? Or are you just looking out for the general public through this that they meet the same standards that you do? 415 00:35:28,090 --> 00:35:31,190 Please, whoever would like to answer that. Maybe just identify yourself for the record. 416 00:35:31,930 --> 00:35:34,810 I'm not sure if thank you, but what's that? 417 00:35:35,610 --> 00:35:38,050 Dean Heiser from the Maryland Industry Group. 418 00:35:38,910 --> 00:35:40,710 So it's more a matter of alignment. 419 00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:43,130 So it is a little bit about our industry. 420 00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:45,190 It's largely about public safety. 421 00:35:45,810 --> 00:35:50,150 So we are obligated as licensees under the marijuana code 422 00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:54,250 to have all of the hemp products that we sell in our facilities 423 00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:57,750 to be tested consistent with marijuana. 424 00:35:57,750 --> 00:36:05,310 And so what's been set up inadvertently, I believe in legislation today, is that 425 00:36:05,310 --> 00:36:11,850 hemp products that are sold in Colorado, subject to farm bill legislation and allegedly 426 00:36:11,850 --> 00:36:18,310 after the irregularation have very, very little mandatory testing that's intended to protect 427 00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:23,570 public health while at the same time, and those same products, if we bring them into our 428 00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:29,270 have to be tested at the same level as the marijuana products that we sell in our stores. 429 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:35,590 So there is a business issue there trying to make sure that this stays aligned, 430 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:38,570 because let's be honest, they are effectively the same plant, 431 00:36:39,610 --> 00:36:43,810 being sold for, especially on the medical side, effectively the same purposes. 432 00:36:45,630 --> 00:36:49,010 And so that's one reason, but the primary reason that I'm here 433 00:36:49,010 --> 00:36:53,830 that Megas concerned about this is, because of the clean label study that you have in your 434 00:36:53,830 --> 00:36:58,010 testimony, a lot of the products that are being sold in Colorado right now that are 435 00:36:58,010 --> 00:37:02,330 unregulated are dangerous. They're dangerous to children, they're dangerous to the public, 436 00:37:02,970 --> 00:37:08,530 and that has two concerns, one that general overall public health and safety protection concern 437 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:18,990 that we're all here trying to address. But almost as importantly, those products in the 438 00:37:18,990 --> 00:37:21,130 that are CBD products are intermingled. 439 00:37:22,010 --> 00:37:24,370 And so any hemp products that poison a child 440 00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:27,470 or become articles of abuse for children 441 00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:29,570 because they're hemp products that are hot with THC 442 00:37:29,570 --> 00:37:30,650 and being sold at Walgreens, 443 00:37:31,290 --> 00:37:33,670 those will back across the entire industry 444 00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:34,530 of hemp and marijuana. 445 00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:40,210 If I could follow up, again, it's Kristen Thompson 446 00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:41,670 with the Green Solution. 447 00:37:42,530 --> 00:37:47,870 I do want to say, the marijuana industry definitely supports 448 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:54,630 the hemp industry. In fact, we use a lot of hemp supplements now that we're allowed to. We 449 00:37:54,630 --> 00:38:02,850 were not allowed to for a long time, but use a lot of Colorado grown hemp in a number of our 450 00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:07,350 products to add flavor to increase the CBD content, etc. 451 00:38:09,470 --> 00:38:12,830 In what Dean is referring to is 452 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:20,350 Starting this summer, we are also finally allowed to sell pure CBD products in our stores 453 00:38:20,350 --> 00:38:25,870 without THC. It used to be a requirement that everything sold in our stores had to contain THC. 454 00:38:26,410 --> 00:38:35,630 So we're allowed to work with farmers, work with CBD product manufacturers to sell pure CBD in our stores. 455 00:38:35,870 --> 00:38:37,630 We're excited about that. 456 00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:44,910 However, those products go through very rigorous testing. 457 00:38:45,310 --> 00:38:51,510 So it might be the same labeled product that you will see in a marijuana store that goes 458 00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:58,790 through all of this testing and is deemed safe by CDPHE as well as the marijuana enforcement 459 00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:59,230 division. 460 00:38:59,250 --> 00:39:00,710 That's not what we're asking for here. 461 00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:12,190 We're talking about CBD, or CDPHB regulation, and that those two labels might contain very 462 00:39:12,190 --> 00:39:13,290 different products. 463 00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:20,330 So yes, we want to make sure that they are the same, whether or not you get it at the 464 00:39:20,330 --> 00:39:22,190 green solution or at Walgreens. 465 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:28,870 We want to make sure we have a robust hemp industry here because they are critical to the 466 00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:37,630 success of the marijuana industry as well, especially now that we are allowed to use products 467 00:39:37,630 --> 00:39:43,610 creator or extracts from hemp in our own products once they are deemed safe. 468 00:39:44,410 --> 00:39:45,230 Thank you. 469 00:39:46,130 --> 00:39:46,710 Senator Korm. 470 00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:48,210 Thank you. 471 00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:54,150 Senator Sonberg, let me address this a little bit to you from experience, because I 472 00:39:54,150 --> 00:39:59,650 product to a company that I and my oil has to meet 48 qualifications. 473 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:10,140 Or they will purchase it. There's others out there that will take it no matter what. And frankly, it's got stuff in it that you wouldn't want an animal feed. 474 00:40:12,220 --> 00:40:25,860 So I think this is important that we do get the labeling down and get it down correctly, because I think there are some things. I liken this to the days of prohibition. 475 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,860 You know, they were people out there that were making moonshine that was extremely quality stuff. 476 00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:35,960 There were people out there that were making products that would kill you. 477 00:40:37,220 --> 00:40:42,620 And, fortunately, the consumer, when it says on the bottle, it's CBD, you don't know the contents. 478 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,200 So, for the sake of the interest industry, I think we need clarification as to what you're buying. 479 00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:54,950 Any other questions for these witnesses? What we have them? 480 00:40:55,910 --> 00:40:56,490 Thank you. 481 00:40:57,690 --> 00:40:58,650 Thank you. 482 00:40:58,650 --> 00:40:59,390 Thank you. 483 00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:00,530 Thank you. 484 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,620 Is there anyone else who'd like to testify on this bill? 485 00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:10,760 Mr. Waters. 486 00:41:11,220 --> 00:41:12,520 Thank you. 487 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,160 Madam Chair, members of the committee senators, Fendberg and Marble. 488 00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,880 My name is Benjamin Waters, and I represent the Hemp Agricultural Advancement Guild here in Colorado. 489 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,180 I was not intending on testifying. 490 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,300 I just received a copy of this amendment yesterday. 491 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,940 I was intending on working on this issue in the interim with the marijuana industry. 492 00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:36,640 There are distinct differences between the hemp industry and the marijuana industry. 493 00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:40,880 I personally believe from experience that having worked in the marijuana industry, 494 00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:45,560 that a lot of the testing regimen that goes around marijuana, does go a bit too far, 495 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,700 and that needs to be looked at and be right-sized. 496 00:41:48,740 --> 00:41:55,160 Our folks feel that this amendment, during a pandemic legislative session, 497 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,740 is not right for prime time. 498 00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:02,640 We would rather have an interim conversation using an already existing process that exists within 499 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,900 the Department of Ag called Champ, which put together the bill that you see before you today. 500 00:42:07,460 --> 00:42:10,700 I have already committed to senators Fenberg and Marble. 501 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:14,580 I have committed to the folks who testified and several of the folks in the audience to 502 00:42:14,580 --> 00:42:19,240 this conversation in the interim, and despite that they decided to move forward with this amendment. 503 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:24,180 Our industry opposes this, made of farmers, manufacturers, and processors. 504 00:42:24,180 --> 00:42:36,180 We do want to have a conversation about this in the interim because all of our companies adhere to robust food safety standards as regulated by the Department of Public Health and Environment. 505 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:44,360 And we look forward to working on policy like this moving forward. We just do not like this particular amendment and we do not think it's ready for prime time. 506 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:46,520 Happy to answer any questions folks may have. 507 00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:49,300 Thank you, Mr. Waters. Any questions for this witness? 508 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,940 The very rare testimony for Mr. Waters. 509 00:42:52,940 --> 00:42:55,160 Thank you. 510 00:42:57,330 --> 00:43:01,750 Anyone else who would like to testify on this bill that didn't get a chance to sign up? 511 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:04,630 All right, we will close the testimony phase. 512 00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:13,150 Senators, if you would like to join us, it seems was appropriate to kind of address 513 00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:17,910 move into the amendment phase since it seems like we are alluding to some, and I believe there's 514 00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:22,330 some others out there, so if you guys would like to, where would you like to start on that? 515 00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:23,430 Why don't I send her Findberg? 516 00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:24,990 How would you like to proceed with amendments? 517 00:43:25,830 --> 00:43:26,630 Thank you, Madam Chair. 518 00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:34,330 So, I think you'll have the amendments in the box 519 00:43:34,330 --> 00:43:35,410 or driver or something. 520 00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:36,910 I couldn't address it. 521 00:43:36,970 --> 00:43:37,210 I couldn't. 522 00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:38,250 The Senator's song, Barbara. 523 00:43:38,290 --> 00:43:41,430 Madam Chair, I don't have it in my box either. 524 00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:43,170 I don't know if anybody else is. 525 00:43:43,250 --> 00:43:47,290 I can get in the amendments in my box after we're passing them. 526 00:43:47,290 --> 00:43:50,950 And I don't know if that's an issue or what the deal is, but I'm not sure 527 00:43:50,950 --> 00:43:54,570 anybody has had the opportunity to look at the amendments other than myself. 528 00:43:55,810 --> 00:44:00,910 So maybe I'll just, men chair, if it's all right, maybe I'll just summarize what I think is 529 00:44:00,910 --> 00:44:06,230 going on with the amendments and then I think that'll be able to get you paper copies or 530 00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:07,150 get them into the box. 531 00:44:07,710 --> 00:44:17,570 But L01 and L002, I think our technical amendments from the department and then I think 532 00:44:18,510 --> 00:44:26,170 L005 is the amendment that that folks were referring to from the marijuana industry. 533 00:44:28,990 --> 00:44:35,670 The L001 and 2, I think are purely technical and happy to discuss it more, but they're 534 00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:43,410 from DOR and Ag, I believe, but L005 is the one regarding testing. 535 00:44:43,410 --> 00:44:50,450 And I will say, I've seen some of the research and some of the testing that has come out 536 00:44:51,890 --> 00:44:55,010 from the studies that are referenced, I think it's incredibly concerning. 537 00:44:55,570 --> 00:44:59,950 There's no question, I mean, the hemp industry, the CBD industry is clear. 538 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:13,540 Really grown really fast, and there are some good players in the industry, and then there are probably some players that are trying to make a quick buck, and I think we're all aware of that in other industries as well. 539 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:28,500 And so yes, I think we need to address this. I think we need to do more testing to make sure that the product people are buying for them, for the kids, for their health, is what they think it is, just like people expect in almost any other product that they put into their body. 540 00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:53,960 I do, and I'll be the first to say like next session, well I guess if the good people of Senate District 18 send me here next session, I will be the first one to pull a title to do a bill exclusively about this issue and set up a stakeholder process work on it to make sure we do it right. 541 00:45:53,960 --> 00:46:03,040 I do wonder, though, if, and I know there's an frustration from the industry that this has been discussed loosely, and it's just never totally materialized. 542 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,300 And that's where, and I think that's valid frustration. 543 00:46:07,020 --> 00:46:15,960 The way L005 is written, I don't know that these rules would actually even get into place before we were able to pass a bill in January anyways. 544 00:46:16,460 --> 00:46:22,680 It says, within an implementation time frame established by the department, and the department is opposing this amendment. 545 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,940 So I'm guessing they're not going to get on it right away. 546 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,360 And I think, which one? 547 00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:29,420 Elzer 0.05. 548 00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:34,980 And so I think timeline was, these regulations are probably not going to be 549 00:46:34,980 --> 00:46:39,720 put into place and executed before we actually come back next session. 550 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,260 And so I think the folks have my word. 551 00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:47,900 I mean, everybody that's testified for against this. 552 00:46:47,900 --> 00:46:55,440 consider friends and people that I work with on marijuana and hemp issues regularly. I am 553 00:46:55,440 --> 00:47:00,080 absolutely committed to making sure something happens and there's a testing protocol that 554 00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:05,540 protects people in Colorado. I do question that this is the right way to do it and if this 555 00:47:05,540 --> 00:47:11,320 would actually result in that testing regimen going into place any faster or more efficiently than 556 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,560 would just simply pass the bill next year? 557 00:47:14,460 --> 00:47:17,340 Thank you, Senator Marble. 558 00:47:17,500 --> 00:47:20,420 I'm going to suggest if you're 559 00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:22,900 amenable of this, that we just take a very 560 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:27,340 true Senator L5, because I think that we are now talking about 561 00:47:27,340 --> 00:47:29,480 amendments that we haven't had some eyeballs on, 562 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,440 and maybe that's a Senator L2. 563 00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:34,400 Senator Corm, did you have them? 564 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:34,680 No. 565 00:47:35,380 --> 00:47:36,560 Senator Marble, are you okay with that? 566 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,400 I know you want to, or would you like to add comments? 567 00:47:38,740 --> 00:47:40,900 And then I just talking about amendments that we have 568 00:47:40,900 --> 00:47:44,180 Yeah, so I think we'd like to look at a real quick. 569 00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:45,440 Well, thank you, Madam Chair. 570 00:47:46,020 --> 00:47:47,760 My comment basically the same. 571 00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:52,300 Elzeras are one and two are technical pretty much put from CDA. 572 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,440 We got those from Jordan Beesley. 573 00:47:55,820 --> 00:48:00,380 I have not seen 003, 005. 574 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,480 I have not seen, but I have heard about it. 575 00:48:04,540 --> 00:48:06,600 And just want to make a couple of comments. 576 00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:13,380 Hampton and marijuana are separate industries and we have to be sure that we keep them separate. 577 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:17,900 One of the things about testing an MED, MED is not precise. 578 00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:30,120 MED cannot come within the lines of consistency needed for Hampton to determine THC content. 579 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:41,380 There are some available testing people out there companies that do a pretty good job, but they are not everywhere. 580 00:48:43,900 --> 00:48:53,080 The industry, the hemp industry is coming into its own, and I hear it time and time and time again. 581 00:48:53,080 --> 00:49:04,000 That hemp does not want to co-mingle with MED or marijuana in how it's grown, how it's regulated or who tested. 582 00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:21,840 And I agree that MED is not precise in its testing for THC, and we need to definitely keep these two industries separate for the farmers and their testing. 583 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:29,660 and not have any D interfere or come in in any way because the farmers are not growing 584 00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:37,540 marijuana. The farmers are growing hemp and this started way back and I've had this 585 00:49:37,540 --> 00:49:44,420 conversation with hemp farmers for quite a few years now and this came when we took the 586 00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:58,440 definition of hemp out of the state constitution I got that in and it was at the request of the farmers and they said we are not marijuana 587 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:19,160 Farmers, we're hemp farmers, and I said, I know, I know that and they go, then why don't you say that, and so I did, and I took that definition and we passed it through the legislature at God on the ballot and the people agreed to. 588 00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:27,880 We have to keep these two industries separate and they should not co-mingle or interfere with each other because the farmers are adamant. 589 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:37,680 They are egg, they are ham, and MED should not have a place in their industry, and ham 590 00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,240 will come in on its own and develop its testing, which is better. 591 00:50:42,380 --> 00:50:47,420 Some of it already is, it's just that there's not enough of it, but they are doing a fine job, 592 00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:53,940 and I would say let's just keep trucking along, doing what we're doing, and let this fledgling 593 00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:58,820 industry come and develop on its own. 594 00:50:59,460 --> 00:51:00,640 That's what the farmers want. 595 00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:02,980 So I am 100% with the farmers. 596 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:06,120 I get where marijuana is, but this is hemp. 597 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,860 And we're making a very big distinction, 598 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,700 and we did that when we took the definition of hemp 599 00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:17,190 out of the Constitution and out of it. 600 00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:20,440 So the people spoke, the farmers of spoke, 601 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:27,400 We've spoken. I would just say in no on LZO-05 because the testing is developing and 602 00:51:28,260 --> 00:51:34,840 they're getting it done. And I agree, we shouldn't be shipping stuff in from China. We really shouldn't. 603 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:41,480 And maybe we should just help those. That wouldn't break my heart at all. So, thank you, 604 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:45,340 Madam Chair, and committee members. I appreciate it. Thank you, Senator Marvel. 605 00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:50,420 Senator 606 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:58,980 Just to be transferring, the challenge is that the electronic method that we're supposed 607 00:51:58,980 --> 00:52:00,280 to use is called box. 608 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,840 The amendments can't be available there until they are moved or made public because 609 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:11,940 our staff has to treat them as confidential until we kind of get permission, so may a little 610 00:52:11,940 --> 00:52:16,300 bit of a hurdle there, but we do all have now one, two, and five. 611 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:21,490 Just for this sake of overcoming technicalities, is there three or four out there? 612 00:52:22,420 --> 00:52:26,660 Yes, Senator Sonnenberg, sorry, Senator Quorum, I've now trumped you and I realize that, Senator Sonnenberg. 613 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,300 Thank you, Madam Chair, would you please staff please release L-003? 614 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,260 That's mine. 615 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,940 Okay, so we're going to try our best to make three available. 616 00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:42,410 Is there a four that we should be aware of? 617 00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:43,720 Obviously. 618 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,840 There's a four there, but maybe it's not going to be something that comes up today. 619 00:52:48,300 --> 00:52:55,820 Okay, so right now we have under consideration, but no motions yet on 1, 2, 3, and 5, 620 00:52:56,180 --> 00:53:00,200 Senator Corrum back to you while we figure out what we're doing with 3. 621 00:53:00,940 --> 00:53:05,980 Well, thank you, Madam Chair, and Senator Marvel, I totally agree with you that we need 622 00:53:05,980 --> 00:53:12,640 this separation. I also agree that we need testing. But the problem here is with the testing, 623 00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:17,900 there's no consistency to the test because you don't really know what you have to 624 00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:18,920 you have a finished product. 625 00:53:20,720 --> 00:53:24,100 So I'm a little uncomfortable with any amendments today. 626 00:53:25,820 --> 00:53:32,880 I would rather that maybe discuss them but to put amendments out today, I'm not real 627 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,980 comfortable with till we've had time to review them. 628 00:53:37,610 --> 00:53:40,570 We can send her a son and bird, please. 629 00:53:41,130 --> 00:53:42,490 Senator Rodrigues, do you have your hand up? 630 00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:44,010 I just scratching my head. 631 00:53:44,450 --> 00:53:45,810 Well, we're calling on you anyways. 632 00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:46,490 Thank you, Senator. 633 00:53:46,490 --> 00:53:47,350 Senator, son and bird. 634 00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:48,550 So come up with something to send. 635 00:53:48,550 --> 00:53:49,270 Amendment three. 636 00:53:50,170 --> 00:53:51,010 Senator, son and bird. 637 00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:52,710 Thank you, madam. 638 00:53:52,810 --> 00:53:53,030 Sure. 639 00:53:53,170 --> 00:53:56,390 And I'm not sure how three and five interact. 640 00:53:58,850 --> 00:53:59,730 So here's. 641 00:54:00,990 --> 00:54:05,850 I'm in the camp quite honestly that we probably out of wait and continue to have you guys have these 642 00:54:05,850 --> 00:54:13,770 conversations with those stakeholders, obviously led in products is probably not a good thing 643 00:54:13,770 --> 00:54:19,190 and we probably shouldn't wait if we need to add that in there. 644 00:54:20,230 --> 00:54:30,790 With that said, on L001, we are going a different route with civil fines, putting it back 645 00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:39,970 into account rather than in a general fund, are we creating an incentive to find these industries 646 00:54:39,970 --> 00:54:46,130 rather financial incentive, you know, we don't allow the state patrol to do it, when they 647 00:54:46,130 --> 00:54:53,890 write tickets, that goes into the general fund, explain to me why we need one to go into 648 00:54:53,890 --> 00:54:56,530 back into the hamperage station. 649 00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:57,070 Fun. 650 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:19,160 I don't know if I know all the context, but my understanding is that the industry supports this, because they actually want to have a funded enforcement mechanism to make sure that the program is successful. 651 00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,780 So, does it create an incentive? 652 00:55:24,940 --> 00:55:29,840 I don't think so, but I haven't heard that concern from the hemp industry. 653 00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:32,420 But I think it's appropriate. 654 00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,380 I mean, it's not something I'm, you know, going to die in the hill for. 655 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:43,160 But this was something that industry minor saying is okay with and the department thought it was more appropriate. 656 00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:43,920 So, 657 00:55:46,610 --> 00:55:50,730 Senator Marvel, would you like to come in on this, Senator Son of the question on L-001? 658 00:55:50,970 --> 00:56:01,870 Thank you, Madam Chair and Senator Son of the, there is a fund that had been set up previously regarding hemp. 659 00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:07,570 And the money collected by that was to go back into the industry for research. 660 00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:11,370 And specifically to help build up that. 661 00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:18,390 Now I am, it's been, I may be two years since I've had this discussion and I just want 662 00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:26,350 to say I am not 100% sure that the industrial hemp registration program is that program, 663 00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:36,750 that actually takes this money and then through grants gives it to organizations to do funding 664 00:56:36,750 --> 00:56:45,710 for for the research in hemp just for hemp not for marijuana but also it was something 665 00:56:45,710 --> 00:56:52,590 very important and it seemed wise and a lot of the if this is that program the farmers 666 00:56:52,590 --> 00:57:00,390 were very in tune with lighting that money go there keeping it there and gaining access 667 00:57:00,390 --> 00:57:02,850 and funding more research for hemp industry. 668 00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:15,270 Okay, how would we like to proceed on this? 669 00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:20,010 Committee, do you feel like you've had enough time 670 00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:22,750 to review the amendments? 671 00:57:24,130 --> 00:57:25,370 I see one shaking head. 672 00:57:25,550 --> 00:57:28,110 Would people like to take a break to review the amendments 673 00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:30,310 or would we just like to move forward 674 00:57:30,310 --> 00:57:40,610 with the, for that we have, I will note that this does, this bill does go to appropriations. 675 00:57:41,050 --> 00:57:48,010 So this is not a final committee hearing before the four thoughts, Senator Rodriguez. 676 00:57:48,810 --> 00:57:52,430 I'd like to take a Senator or a five to have a discussion on this. 677 00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:58,170 Let's go ahead and do that, not to pressure anyone but to pressure everyone. 678 00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:02,370 And we do have to be out of this room at one 30, so that I'm confident we can accomplish 679 00:58:02,370 --> 00:58:02,750 that. 680 00:58:02,770 --> 00:58:04,990 We will stand in a Senatorial 5. 681 00:58:05,350 --> 00:58:06,010 We're not going. 682 00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:57,200 We are back from our Senatorial 5 in getting a little bit of a handle on the amendments. 683 00:59:58,940 --> 00:59:59,960 At this time. 684 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:17,980 I don't think the committee will offer any amendments. We do have another committee and a little bit more time before this still gets the floor to work through some of these details. So, without objection from the committee and without further to the sponsors of any further comment, otherwise I'll go ahead and close the amendment face. 685 01:00:21,220 --> 01:00:29,100 Madam Chair, I just say I'd work committed to working with anyone and everyone before this gets to the floor to figure out these amendments and make sure we're doing the right thing. 686 01:00:30,140 --> 01:00:32,240 But yeah, I think for sake of time, let's get into a approach. 687 01:00:32,860 --> 01:00:35,980 You know, we can buy ourselves at least a few days for the floor. 688 01:00:37,460 --> 01:00:38,300 My name's sorry. 689 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:39,020 Finance. 690 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:40,440 The more the mayor. 691 01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:41,340 The more the mayor. 692 01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:42,240 All right. 693 01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:43,500 All right. 694 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080 Well, we will close the amendment face then. 695 01:00:46,080 --> 01:00:52,400 closing comments from the sponsors before we entertain a motion to move this bill on to finance 696 01:00:54,750 --> 01:00:58,750 Thank you for that Senator Rodriguez. Do you have a motion for us? 697 01:00:58,930 --> 01:01:03,650 Thank you madam chair. I move Senate bill 2197 to the finance committee 698 01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:05,910 With a favorable vote 699 01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:14,220 Mr. Record. That's a proper motion. Please take the roll. I hate to send anybody to finance, but I 700 01:01:17,940 --> 01:01:18,460 Yes 701 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,480 That goes on the consent calendar and finance. 702 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:23,560 That goes on the consent calendar and finance. 703 01:01:25,820 --> 01:01:26,920 Thank you guys. 704 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,440 Don't make sure it never gets on them. 705 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:29,420 Didn't get on the consent. 706 01:01:30,340 --> 01:01:35,180 And we look forward to hearing where we land by the floor on these amendments. 707 01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,180 So thank you for being willing to continue these conversations. 708 01:01:39,740 --> 01:01:44,880 Okay Senator Finnberg, our final bill of Senate Agriculture for this session is yours. 709 01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,120 it is Senate Bill 189. 710 01:01:49,260 --> 01:01:55,300 Please tell us about your bill and we will go from there. If you want 711 01:01:55,300 --> 01:02:00,300 to tell us about our bill. Thank you, Madam Chair. Senator Sunberg requested to be at 712 01:02:00,300 --> 01:02:01,800 as a co-prime to this next bill. 713 01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:06,640 It's going to the floor. 714 01:02:08,220 --> 01:02:16,420 Madam Chair, this is a conversation that I think can continue into the future and I look 715 01:02:16,420 --> 01:02:22,340 forward to working with the Good Senator from Sterling on that issue by I asked that the 716 01:02:22,340 --> 01:02:29,200 committee postponed this bill indefinitely and will bring it back up later. 717 01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:33,940 Senator Sonnenberg, for a soap box die-tribe and a motion? 718 01:02:33,940 --> 01:02:38,540 just a simple motion that by golly if you're going to give me an option to make a motion 719 01:02:38,540 --> 01:02:45,920 I moved the postponing definitely said about 189 that is a proper motion and this is 720 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:53,100 why I love ag oh yes we do have a motion on floor I assume no amendments because the 721 01:02:53,100 --> 01:02:57,480 amendment faces anyone want to testify that did not is there anyone here to testify 722 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:01,140 on this bill and we did not receive any written testimony for this bill either that I'm 723 01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:07,820 So, we do have a proper motion on the floor Mr. Becker. Please take the roll, 724 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:12,480 save her this moment committee as our last vote to have her. 725 01:03:12,500 --> 01:03:15,400 What a feel to kill for the last, baby. 726 01:03:18,970 --> 01:03:19,490 Pass. 727 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:29,900 I, I, I, I, I. 728 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:35,340 Yes. 729 01:03:35,340 --> 01:03:39,280 be postponed indefinitely at the sponsors request. 730 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,240 Any further comment from the committee 731 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:53,180 before we go dark. With that we are adjourned. Thank you.