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order Miss Berger, please call

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the roll. Representatives Garcia

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Sander.

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presents

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oodrop here

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here

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thank you so we are here

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following on the

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meetings that we had to hear

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testimony on this case and I

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wanted to just

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go back to

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why our committee was set up in

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the first place we were tasked

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with addressing the complaint

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that Representative Marshall

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filed that alleged and I

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quote from his complaint that

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Representative Lindsey grossly

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mismanaged and frequently used

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the House Democratic petty cash

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fund for personal use in an

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unethical and potentially

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criminal manner

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with funds unaccounted for by

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appropriate receipts or any

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other basic and fundamental

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fiscal measure one would expect

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of a person in the exercise of

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fiduciary duties required by

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such a role in office the

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categories in his complaint

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are one misappropriation of

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campaign funds slash money

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laundering to misappropriation

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or misallocation of caucus funds

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through personal use of the fund

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debit card

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throughout these hearings we

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completed a thorough review and

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discussion of all the evidence

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gathered and at that point in

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time in May the committee found

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that probable cause existed that

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an ethical violation by

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Representative Lindsay may have

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occurred under a breach of

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fiduciary responsibility and

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negligence but not at a criminal

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level. I and all the members of

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this committee have spent many

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hours reviewing the complaint

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reviewing Representative

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Lindsay's init

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ial response to the complaint

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all of the evidence that was

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given to the committee initially

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then followed by the two days of

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witness testimony and

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thenpresentative Lindsay's

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attorneys statements as well

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as her clothsing statement

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I during my processing of all

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this information I just kept

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going back to the complaint

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language and the allegations

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from Representative Marshall

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which I just outlined

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specifically he had a targeted a

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misappropriation of campaign

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funds regarding a $2500 check

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from a campaign count and then

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reimbursement to a personal

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account you know following up

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on that we certainly heard from

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witnesses and from Rep Lindsay

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with an explanation for that

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the second one had to do with

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the misallocation of funds in

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regards to the $6,358.68

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reimbursement check that

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matched an invoice from the

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Marriott and again we saw

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written evidence and also

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testimony following that

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particular incident and then

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third personal use of the fund

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debit card. some of the

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ethical principles that were

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alleged in Reppmarshall's

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complaint that were

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he says we're violated we're

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gross mismanagement of funds

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extreme negligence in handling

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of the fund misappropriation of

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funds or money laundering and

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breach of fiduciary duties. I

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wanted to just review that so

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that we're all still focused

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on the the task at hand and kind

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of what brought us here in the

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first place. with my review

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over the last many weeks

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zeroed back in on what

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constitutes an ethical violation

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and I really wanted to have that

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clear in my mind and realized

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that ethical violations can

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occur when there's a breach of

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an established standard or

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some code of conduct in a way

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that may break the trust of

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who that

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that trust is between or could

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cause could cause harm or do

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both break trust and cause harm.

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so a breach of ethical standards

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can happen on purpose but it

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also can happen due to poor

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practices or high pressure

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situations

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so you know these ethical

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violations are a large

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umbrella of possibilities and I

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do believe that what we have

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observed and heard here fits the

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description of an ethical

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violation. Again I keep going

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back to that first meeting we

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had where we were discussing

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kind of is this an ethical

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concern that is considered under

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legislative duties from an

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elected official or is this

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you know a competence issue for

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a person serving in a position

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as a member of the legislature

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or is it potentially both so

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that you know I really

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appreciated that very first day

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where we had that discussion

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and I think that we even on that

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first day we ended up seeing

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that being an elected

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representative within the

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House of Representatives and

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then being elected into a

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position of leadership within

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the legislature all constitutes

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what we are now considering

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legislative duties that was our

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committee discussion that first

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day taking care of other

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legislators' money

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to conduct legislator business

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is part of the legislative

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process is what I remember us

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kind of coming to a conclusion

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there and then the impact of the

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misuse or mismanagement of that

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money falls within that

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misconduct of legislative duties

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as we discussed back in early

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summer and I think that those

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concerns that involve those

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duties can very well be looked

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at through this ethical lens

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that I just

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described I wanted to just do

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that as an overview you know

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to start our discussion and

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then to hear from you all on you

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know how you've been processing

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all the information that has

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come our way and and see

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where that takes us so committee

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I'd like to just open it up for

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comments you know globally

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or specifically whatever you'd

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like to share

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sit very well with the

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microphone

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on august 13th and 14th this

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committee did hear oral

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testimony andres representative

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mandy Lindsey ethics case

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after we had previously

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determined that there was

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probable cause on May11th for

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breach of fiduciary duty

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mismanagement negligence and

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misappropriation

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a legislator holds the public

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trust in managing funds of

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others is the utmost position of

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trust

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uhpresentative Lindsey ran for

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and was elected Democratic

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caucus chair position that

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involved managing the caucus

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account or the petty funds

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Only a legislator who is a

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Democrat may manage the House

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since only a legislator may

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manage a caucus account as part

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of their legislative duties the

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obligation to fulfill those

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duties in an ethical and prudent

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manner apply

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as we are the ethics committee

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and we are here you know looking

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at ethical violation. I mean

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there's many types of ethical

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breaches

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there could be you know

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conflicts of interest you know

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bribery corruption. there's also

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the misuse of you know public

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funds and abuse of power

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centering on those whenever you

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have control over an account

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that involves the dollars of

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someone else that you've been

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entrusted to manage on their

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any mismanagement has to be

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looked at with a high level of

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scrutiny determining certain

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ethical factors such as intent

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to knowledge magnitude of

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personal gain impact on the

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public trust and policy

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transparency and disclosure the

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frequency and pattern and

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compliance with a specific rules

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reflect on the case before us

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and all the evidence both

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written and oral testimony

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it is pretty clear that there

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was an impact on the public

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trust. anytime you have a

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legislator that is moving money

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campaign account to the House

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Democratic petty cashund to

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their personal account and then

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once that has been brought to

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their attention that legislator

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sends a check back to the house

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petty cash account

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this on you know another level

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does have an element that looks

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like a type of of money

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laundering. I'm not saying

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that's necessarily what it is

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but in a world where

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you think about what is the

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logical way someone would act if

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aze was an error you would

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return that check to the account

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in which that account originated

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from.

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it doesn't take special classes

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or going to a school to

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determine how to manage an

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account. same thing is true

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with the $6300 and I'm rounding

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the fact that the check was

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backdated to be able to create

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not knowing whether the house

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card had been charged or not

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and then those funds were never

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returned. Logical and prudent

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person would have written a

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check back to the caucus account

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for $6300 and if there were

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$6300 worth of expenses to be

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reimbursed for receipts could

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have been presented and a check

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could have been issued for that

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amount.

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Same thing is true with the

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hotel

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that you know that should

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have been reimbursed at a more

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timely manner rather than

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waiting until it was highlighted

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or brought to the member's'

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attention

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the fact that the member in

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question had not

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done anything to go out of her

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way to give the cochair access

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to the account is also

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troubling. This leads back to

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the public trust and the impact

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because it goes to transparency

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and disclosure

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the reason why you have two

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signers on an account is so that

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what is before us should not

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happen. you should have that

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second person that acts as the

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watchdog on the other one. it's

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not because of lack of trust but

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a good system that has been set

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up both in this country and

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around the world for maintaining

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whether it's club accounts or

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caucus accounts or banks it's

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just a level of fiduciary

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duty that has been accepted

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globally.

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because of

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all this that I do see as a

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pattern of the frequency is

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troubling and the lack of

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remorse has also been something

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that I have been troubled with

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and believed that this committee

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should recommend

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something in accordance with our

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findings.

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Any other members of the

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committee

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p re s ent ative Maybury

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thank you madam chairir. I

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largely want to echo points made

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bypresentative Soper but one

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thing that I wanna highlight

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is the conversation that

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we've had over the course of

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the past several months

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around the $6300 check and in

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particular

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what we heard about the

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timeline involving that check in

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testimony one particular

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instance that I want to

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highlight is when we ask

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Speaker McCluskey about what the

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first conversation was regarding

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that check she said

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thatpresentative Lindsey

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mentioned in that first meeting

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that the $6300 was taken from

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her account

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in

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April in the April meeting the

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speaker said that that's what

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her understanding from

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Replindsay about why there

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had been a reimbursement. but

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and then in testimony and in the

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response to the complaint

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the story lines up differently

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than what we heard from the

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speaker what we heard from

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rap Joseph I'm also troubled by

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the fact that

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receipts would add up exactly to

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$6300 in change that seems

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incredibly unlikely and

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you know in conversations with

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Mr Quinn

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you know felt like there was

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backwards

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reasoning to get to

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reimbursement amounts and as

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a result I do not feel like

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anything that I heard in the

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hearing would make me change my

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mind on our original

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determination. of a finding

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of probable cause.

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Thank you

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p re s ent ative Woodrow

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thank you madamir. thank you

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members of the committee thank

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you to all the witnesses who

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came and testified some more

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willing than others thank you to

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Representative Lindsay and

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her council for taking us

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through this I believe first

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of its kind exercise thank you

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especially to Olls who has given

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us invaluable guidance as we've

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attempted to

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exercise and execute our duties

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under our rules

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I wanna start with saying on the

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count of or charge or complaint

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of money laundering I

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I don't find that there was

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money laundering here. I think

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thatpresentative Marshall was

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confused

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about the sequencing of the

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payment of dues and

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reimbursement, I think what

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we had was a payment by

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Representative Lindsey of her

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caucus dues for a prior

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session

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from her campaign account and

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then

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a new session a new term

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rather where caucus dues were

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due she thought she had paid

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with individual funds that

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turned out not to be the case

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but she thought she had

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deposited

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a series of checks including

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a check that she had apparently

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written personally and then

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after a conversation with her

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spouse was reimbursing herself

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personally

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and that it the timing you know

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from when she paid with her

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campaign funds a prior

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sessions dues the prior term's

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dues and then refunding the

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money to herself personally

436
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being several years later I

437
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don't think qualifies as money

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laundering the timing it's too

439
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far apart to evince any intent

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I'm not going to say that it

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wasn't problematic

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Representative Lindsey

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should have verified that she

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had actually paid the terms

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caucus dos before refunding them

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to herself once it was

447
00:17:05,862 --> 00:17:06,112
pointed out to her I do believe

448
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that she refunded that money

449
00:17:11,601 --> 00:17:11,851
back in so I want to be clear

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that I don't believe that there

451
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was money laundering and I do

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think that

453
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the fileler the complaint you

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00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:20,609
know testified that he had not

455
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kept abreast of these

456
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proceedings

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and I I think that his testimony

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was impassioned to the point as

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to events

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in some respects bias

461
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towards the accused having said

462
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that I do think

463
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on the complaint of gross

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mismanagement that our

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finding of probable cause should

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be affirmed.

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I think it's unquestionable here

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that the caucus account was

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grossly mismanaged

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there was no accounting

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generally accepted accounting

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principles established the

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testimony indicated that

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receipts were kept in a fairly

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haphazard way we haven't seen

476
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all the receipts the receipts

477
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that were provided many of them

478
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are not itemized so while we can

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tell the date of the payments

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out of the account and the

481
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amount and the recipient we

482
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don't actually have an

483
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itemization in all instances of

484
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what the money was

485
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spent on

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there's been a real lack of

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transparency and to echo

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something that

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p re s ent ative Mayrry said

490
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there's been a lack of

491
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consistency in the testimony

492
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the story has changed several

493
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times.

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I want to note that I do think

495
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that this committee has

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authority

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to consider this matter

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certainly if someone is

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traveling let's say abroad or in

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a different state and has a

501
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minor traffic infraction or

502
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something like that

503
00:19:09,852 --> 00:19:10,102
that's totally unrelated to

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their legislative duties you

505
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know that might raise some type

506
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of question about whether or not

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an ethics our ethics rules apply

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but

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you know I do think that

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Replindsay and and perhaps our

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counselor Reid the law too

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narrowly

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it contradicts precedent

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our rules are presumed to be

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constitutional and I do think

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that the management of caucus

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dues derives from and is

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directly related to legislative

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duties and so I do think that

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this committee has authority and

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that our rules as applied our

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constitutional and I don't think

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that our rules would only be

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constitutional if we were

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considering expulsion

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so

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I understand the legal

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argument being made and I

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disagree with it

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00:20:07,877 --> 00:20:08,127
as for the state's review I

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think Replindsay's position

532
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places too much emphasis on it.

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Mister Quinn, who I found to be

534
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a very credible witness came

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and reiterated what he put in

536
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his report which is that he's

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not an accountant it was not an

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audit. He did not have complete

539
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receipts the receipts he did

540
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have were incomplete. He was

541
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required to use other evidence

542
00:20:34,453 --> 00:20:34,703
like text messages and

543
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conversations with the speaker

544
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in order to fill gaps his

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conclusion in which he said that

546
00:20:45,765 --> 00:20:46,015
the caucus funds

547
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the caucus fund was a you know

548
00:20:50,136 --> 00:20:50,386
appeared to be used for its

549
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intended purpose. he backed

550
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away from it slightly

551
00:20:56,392 --> 00:20:56,642
at the hearing said he wasn't as

552
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confident in it as he had

553
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been after hearing some of the

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testimony

555
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and when asked he made quite

556
00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:06,652
clear that his finding was not

557
00:21:09,622 --> 00:21:09,872
tantamount or equivalent to a

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00:21:10,189 --> 00:21:10,439
finding that the fund was

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00:21:10,756 --> 00:21:11,006
managed properly

560
00:21:13,626 --> 00:21:13,876
when Representative Lindsay was

561
00:21:15,828 --> 00:21:16,078
asked about Mr Quinn's report.

562
00:21:17,747 --> 00:21:17,997
she said that she didn't

563
00:21:18,331 --> 00:21:18,581
actually agree with all of it

564
00:21:22,268 --> 00:21:22,518
for one example the $925 in

565
00:21:24,370 --> 00:21:24,620
three different checks that were

566
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classified as loans

567
00:21:29,608 --> 00:21:29,858
bypresentative Lindsay was not

568
00:21:31,610 --> 00:21:31,860
counted as loans by Mister Quinn

569
00:21:32,411 --> 00:21:32,661
she also said that

570
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she hasn't taken the time to go

571
00:21:37,616 --> 00:21:37,866
through it all line by line and

572
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that perhaps someone you know

573
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would have the time to do that

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00:21:42,355 --> 00:21:42,605
and with all due respect to

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00:21:45,608 --> 00:21:45,858
Representative Lindsay I I

576
00:21:46,242 --> 00:21:46,492
think that that burden was on

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00:21:46,909 --> 00:21:47,159
her

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00:21:48,961 --> 00:21:49,211
and her counsel and they

579
00:21:50,112 --> 00:21:50,362
should have gone through it line

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00:21:51,781 --> 00:21:52,031
by line in preparation for the

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00:21:52,448 --> 00:21:52,698
hearing

582
00:21:55,868 --> 00:21:56,118
she acknowledged in her

583
00:21:57,887 --> 00:21:58,137
testimony that it's important

584
00:21:58,537 --> 00:21:58,787
for us as colleagues to talk

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00:21:59,105 --> 00:21:59,355
with each other

586
00:22:01,841 --> 00:22:02,091
and to communicate with each

587
00:22:02,475 --> 00:22:02,725
other and that when there's

588
00:22:03,926 --> 00:22:04,176
problems we need to sit down and

589
00:22:04,593 --> 00:22:04,843
work it out

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00:22:06,095 --> 00:22:06,345
but when I asked if she had

591
00:22:09,632 --> 00:22:09,882
met with Representative Joseph

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00:22:10,316 --> 00:22:10,566
who I would know was champing at

593
00:22:10,983 --> 00:22:11,233
the bit

594
00:22:13,869 --> 00:22:14,119
to get to the bottom of this and

595
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:14,770
to meet with her she said no she

596
00:22:15,204 --> 00:22:15,454
hadn't

597
00:22:18,074 --> 00:22:18,324
and when I asked why she said

598
00:22:18,741 --> 00:22:18,991
she didn't want anything to do

599
00:22:19,408 --> 00:22:19,658
with her

600
00:22:22,378 --> 00:22:22,628
I am sympathetic to the fact

601
00:22:24,096 --> 00:22:24,346
that there was no written job

602
00:22:25,948 --> 00:22:26,198
description that there was no

603
00:22:26,615 --> 00:22:26,865
training

604
00:22:29,618 --> 00:22:29,868
that prior caucus chairs might

605
00:22:30,302 --> 00:22:30,552
have also done a poor job

606
00:22:32,788 --> 00:22:33,038
that her first caucus co-chair

607
00:22:36,158 --> 00:22:36,408
took an out of sight out of mind

608
00:22:36,842 --> 00:22:37,092
approach to this

609
00:22:38,327 --> 00:22:38,577
all of that

610
00:22:40,429 --> 00:22:40,679
is is real

611
00:22:45,618 --> 00:22:45,868
at the same time when

612
00:22:46,102 --> 00:22:46,352
Representative Lindsay became

613
00:22:46,769 --> 00:22:47,019
overwhelmed

614
00:22:48,237 --> 00:22:48,487
and I

615
00:22:52,074 --> 00:22:52,324
paraphrase I believe she said at

616
00:22:52,758 --> 00:22:53,008
one point she was a hot mess

617
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:54,610
she didn't tell leadership

618
00:22:56,228 --> 00:22:56,478
she didn't ask for help

619
00:23:02,118 --> 00:23:02,368
someone who acknowledges that

620
00:23:03,803 --> 00:23:04,053
it's important for colleagues to

621
00:23:04,487 --> 00:23:04,737
talk to each other

622
00:23:06,172 --> 00:23:06,422
should have gone to leadership

623
00:23:08,007 --> 00:23:08,257
disclosed what was happening

624
00:23:08,674 --> 00:23:08,924
and asked for help

625
00:23:13,629 --> 00:23:13,879
I think that herre

626
00:23:14,113 --> 00:23:14,363
representative Lindsay's answer

627
00:23:15,981 --> 00:23:16,231
to the complaint only added to

628
00:23:16,665 --> 00:23:16,915
the confusion

629
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,369
for example, it implies that she

630
00:23:21,787 --> 00:23:22,037
wanted to pay her dues with

631
00:23:22,354 --> 00:23:22,604
campaign funds

632
00:23:24,356 --> 00:23:24,606
and that's why she had refunded

633
00:23:26,292 --> 00:23:26,542
the money to herself personally

634
00:23:29,862 --> 00:23:30,112
but what she omits is that she

635
00:23:31,597 --> 00:23:31,847
didn't actually pay the caucus

636
00:23:33,916 --> 00:23:34,166
dues from her campaign funds or

637
00:23:35,885 --> 00:23:36,135
from any other source and this

638
00:23:36,502 --> 00:23:36,752
is at a time when she

639
00:23:39,605 --> 00:23:39,855
acknowledges that the fund was

640
00:23:41,757 --> 00:23:42,007
lacking in money and that she

641
00:23:42,425 --> 00:23:42,675
was loaning

642
00:23:45,945 --> 00:23:46,195
other funds to the the caucus

643
00:23:46,645 --> 00:23:46,895
dues account

644
00:23:46,895 --> 00:23:47,145
the petty cash fund

645
00:23:52,535 --> 00:23:52,785
In some she used such poor

646
00:23:53,085 --> 00:23:53,335
bookkeeping

647
00:23:57,623 --> 00:23:57,873
that to this very day I don't

648
00:23:58,457 --> 00:23:58,707
think anyone on this committee

649
00:23:59,058 --> 00:23:59,308
could state with confidence

650
00:24:01,777 --> 00:24:02,027
who owes

651
00:24:05,915 --> 00:24:06,165
who what and where the money

652
00:24:06,432 --> 00:24:06,682
actually went

653
00:24:10,436 --> 00:24:10,686
I think on the hotel

654
00:24:13,606 --> 00:24:13,856
reimbursement my read of the

655
00:24:15,591 --> 00:24:15,841
testimony is that she owed money

656
00:24:16,375 --> 00:24:16,625
to her aid in the amount of

657
00:24:16,942 --> 00:24:17,192
several $1000

658
00:24:20,629 --> 00:24:20,879
and paid her aid after deciding

659
00:24:22,131 --> 00:24:22,381
to keep the hotel reimbursement

660
00:24:24,150 --> 00:24:24,400
check which is representative

661
00:24:26,051 --> 00:24:26,301
soper pointed out appears to

662
00:24:26,619 --> 00:24:26,869
have been backdated.

663
00:24:30,473 --> 00:24:30,723
all of this leaves me very sad

664
00:24:34,343 --> 00:24:34,593
I consider Repiny like I said

665
00:24:36,145 --> 00:24:36,395
during an earlier hearing one of

666
00:24:36,879 --> 00:24:37,129
the nicest people in the

667
00:24:37,429 --> 00:24:37,679
building

668
00:24:41,967 --> 00:24:42,217
representative senator governor

669
00:24:42,585 --> 00:24:42,835
staff

670
00:24:45,921 --> 00:24:46,171
you're all wonderful people

671
00:24:46,472 --> 00:24:46,722
Representative Lindsay is one of

672
00:24:47,156 --> 00:24:47,406
the nicest

673
00:24:49,925 --> 00:24:50,175
this is a really hard building

674
00:24:52,294 --> 00:24:52,544
but that doesn't excuse what

675
00:24:52,878 --> 00:24:53,128
happened

676
00:24:57,850 --> 00:24:58,100
What I'd like to know from OLs

677
00:24:58,534 --> 00:24:58,784
is what our options are from

678
00:24:59,118 --> 00:24:59,368
here

679
00:25:02,238 --> 00:25:02,488
if we were to recommend Censure

680
00:25:02,922 --> 00:25:03,172
for example

681
00:25:05,641 --> 00:25:05,891
is that something that needs to

682
00:25:06,358 --> 00:25:06,608
be voted on by the full house

683
00:25:10,429 --> 00:25:10,679
would new house members because

684
00:25:12,114 --> 00:25:12,364
we're not in session when new

685
00:25:12,781 --> 00:25:13,031
house members vote on that

686
00:25:14,366 --> 00:25:14,616
in January

687
00:25:16,268 --> 00:25:16,518
would they be able

688
00:25:22,157 --> 00:25:22,407
to even exercise that authority

689
00:25:22,775 --> 00:25:23,025
given that she'll be out of

690
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:23,609
office

691
00:25:26,445 --> 00:25:26,695
if we were to do something short

692
00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:28,380
of Accenture like a reprimand

693
00:25:28,814 --> 00:25:29,064
does the house need to vote on

694
00:25:29,498 --> 00:25:29,748
that

695
00:25:32,568 --> 00:25:32,818
what are our options at this

696
00:25:33,252 --> 00:25:33,502
point?

697
00:25:36,422 --> 00:25:36,672
that's where I'm at right now

698
00:25:37,089 --> 00:25:37,339
and those are my questions.

699
00:25:40,276 --> 00:25:40,526
thank youpresentativeudreau.

700
00:25:42,194 --> 00:25:42,444
Representative Garcia Sander

701
00:25:46,348 --> 00:25:46,598
thank you madam chairir and a

702
00:25:48,100 --> 00:25:48,350
echo what my colleagues have

703
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:51,870
already stated and from the

704
00:25:54,306 --> 00:25:54,556
nonlawyer here on the panel.

705
00:25:56,458 --> 00:25:56,708
you know I just, I see

706
00:26:01,630 --> 00:26:01,880
that just overall just gross

707
00:26:02,248 --> 00:26:02,498
mismanagement of

708
00:26:06,402 --> 00:26:06,652
of money of the caucus moving

709
00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:10,122
money between accounts covering

710
00:26:12,408 --> 00:26:12,658
shortfalls not working with

711
00:26:14,410 --> 00:26:14,660
the caucus cochair those just

712
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:18,130
all led to a really bad storm of

713
00:26:18,614 --> 00:26:18,864
events and

714
00:26:23,619 --> 00:26:23,869
to me as a member of the body

715
00:26:25,588 --> 00:26:25,838
but also a member of the public

716
00:26:26,288 --> 00:26:26,538
I would see that as you know

717
00:26:27,773 --> 00:26:28,023
breaking

718
00:26:31,827 --> 00:26:32,077
crust with colleagues breaking

719
00:26:33,862 --> 00:26:34,112
trust with the public

720
00:26:35,631 --> 00:26:35,881
breaking trust as far as

721
00:26:37,900 --> 00:26:38,150
management of dollars whether

722
00:26:40,352 --> 00:26:40,602
that's caucus dollars or public

723
00:26:42,404 --> 00:26:42,654
dollars and I think that affects

724
00:26:45,874 --> 00:26:46,124
everybody in the body it

725
00:26:46,609 --> 00:26:46,859
affects us as an institution and

726
00:26:50,346 --> 00:26:50,596
so I know that OlllS

727
00:26:56,085 --> 00:26:56,335
provided poten some potential

728
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:58,320
options for us and I think

729
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:01,840
they'll go over that but I do

730
00:27:03,859 --> 00:27:04,109
believe that they're there

731
00:27:06,328 --> 00:27:06,578
needs to be a strong message a

732
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:08,580
strong consequence for the

733
00:27:11,617 --> 00:27:11,867
breaking of trust with

734
00:27:13,852 --> 00:27:14,102
colleagues and with the public

735
00:27:16,405 --> 00:27:16,655
when it comes to managment of of

736
00:27:18,324 --> 00:27:18,574
the monies that we are entrusted

737
00:27:20,759 --> 00:27:21,009
so with that I will turn it

738
00:27:21,293 --> 00:27:21,543
over to you

739
00:27:22,494 --> 00:27:22,744
chairer rolls

740
00:27:26,315 --> 00:27:26,565
thank you for that I wanted

741
00:27:29,635 --> 00:27:29,885
to just circle back before we

742
00:27:31,654 --> 00:27:31,904
move forward to

743
00:27:34,340 --> 00:27:34,590
thank you all very much for your

744
00:27:37,843 --> 00:27:38,093
thoughtful comments it's also

745
00:27:38,727 --> 00:27:38,977
I am also in agreement that

746
00:27:42,364 --> 00:27:42,614
it is my conclusion that the

747
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:44,650
trust in the management of these

748
00:27:47,636 --> 00:27:47,886
caucus funds was unfortunately

749
00:27:49,888 --> 00:27:50,138
damaged bypresentative

750
00:27:51,890 --> 00:27:52,140
Lindsay's inability to proper

751
00:27:53,859 --> 00:27:54,109
handle the funds budget and the

752
00:27:54,727 --> 00:27:54,977
accounting processes

753
00:27:58,364 --> 00:27:58,614
it's apparent that you know at

754
00:28:01,617 --> 00:28:01,867
times she was in over her head

755
00:28:02,368 --> 00:28:02,618
and did not manage the income

756
00:28:04,620 --> 00:28:04,870
and expenses properly. also

757
00:28:06,155 --> 00:28:06,405
apparent that there were

758
00:28:07,673 --> 00:28:07,923
multiple opportunities to

759
00:28:09,875 --> 00:28:10,125
recognize the problem in

760
00:28:11,877 --> 00:28:12,127
multiple avenues to obtain the

761
00:28:13,612 --> 00:28:13,862
help to address these problems

762
00:28:16,365 --> 00:28:16,615
that the fund was facing and

763
00:28:19,635 --> 00:28:19,885
those avenues were not taken it

764
00:28:20,369 --> 00:28:20,619
was especially apparent to me in

765
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:24,089
the $6300 check the timing, the

766
00:28:24,673 --> 00:28:24,923
reasoning, the documentation

767
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:25,490
provided for that entire

768
00:28:27,609 --> 00:28:27,859
incident

769
00:28:30,329 --> 00:28:30,579
was key to raising

770
00:28:34,133 --> 00:28:34,383
inquiry from others and

771
00:28:35,901 --> 00:28:36,151
seeding doubt in our

772
00:28:36,385 --> 00:28:36,635
colleagues that many of the

773
00:28:40,105 --> 00:28:40,355
witnesses reflected upon and

774
00:28:42,324 --> 00:28:42,574
shared with us the writing of

775
00:28:44,093 --> 00:28:44,343
checks to herself without

776
00:28:46,328 --> 00:28:46,578
consultation asres

777
00:28:47,863 --> 00:28:48,113
representative Soper alluded to

778
00:28:50,115 --> 00:28:50,365
you know having a co caucus

779
00:28:50,682 --> 00:28:50,932
chair and

780
00:28:54,002 --> 00:28:54,252
proceeding with

781
00:28:56,371 --> 00:28:56,621
writing checks to yourself

782
00:28:59,892 --> 00:29:00,142
without any checkin or

783
00:29:01,860 --> 00:29:02,110
consultation with a cochair or

784
00:29:04,296 --> 00:29:04,546
anyone else even if it was

785
00:29:07,616 --> 00:29:07,866
done in the up and up it breaks

786
00:29:10,352 --> 00:29:10,602
trust when that happens and that

787
00:29:12,204 --> 00:29:12,454
unilateral decision making

788
00:29:17,843 --> 00:29:18,093
to me not only breaks or erodes

789
00:29:19,611 --> 00:29:19,861
trusts but that falls under this

790
00:29:21,613 --> 00:29:21,863
ethical concern that we're here

791
00:29:24,199 --> 00:29:24,449
to examine the

792
00:29:28,771 --> 00:29:29,021
the help with the ba bank

793
00:29:29,321 --> 00:29:29,571
account when it

794
00:29:32,341 --> 00:29:32,591
had a low balance when it was

795
00:29:35,611 --> 00:29:35,861
known that the balance was low

796
00:29:37,613 --> 00:29:37,863
and Representative Lindsay's

797
00:29:40,315 --> 00:29:40,565
desire to fulfill her duty in

798
00:29:41,884 --> 00:29:42,134
her own words was so strong she

799
00:29:43,619 --> 00:29:43,869
wanted to make sure we were fed,

800
00:29:45,621 --> 00:29:45,871
make sure we were taken care of

801
00:29:47,856 --> 00:29:48,106
and all of us so much appreciate

802
00:29:50,075 --> 00:29:50,325
that but I think it did

803
00:29:54,146 --> 00:29:54,396
overtake thoughts of of the the

804
00:29:55,881 --> 00:29:56,131
other side of that creating and

805
00:29:58,684 --> 00:29:58,934
following an actual budget or

806
00:29:59,368 --> 00:29:59,618
by seeking help when that was

807
00:30:03,856 --> 00:30:04,106
needed and knowing that none

808
00:30:05,591 --> 00:30:05,841
of us would have ever expected

809
00:30:08,327 --> 00:30:08,577
her to use her own funds to

810
00:30:10,329 --> 00:30:10,579
kind of fill in the holes. I

811
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:12,130
don't agree with Representative

812
00:30:13,615 --> 00:30:13,865
Marshall's allegation that the

813
00:30:15,868 --> 00:30:16,118
use of the fund was used in a

814
00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:18,120
potentially criminal manner. I

815
00:30:20,122 --> 00:30:20,372
see no evidence of that so I

816
00:30:21,623 --> 00:30:21,873
agree with Representative

817
00:30:23,625 --> 00:30:23,875
Woodrow on his assessment there

818
00:30:25,861 --> 00:30:26,111
I don't think there was ever any

819
00:30:27,846 --> 00:30:28,096
criminal intent in this

820
00:30:28,647 --> 00:30:28,897
situation. I do just see as you

821
00:30:29,348 --> 00:30:29,598
all have reiter

822
00:30:32,351 --> 00:30:32,601
ated just a disorganized

823
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:34,369
unstructured handling of the

824
00:30:37,589 --> 00:30:37,839
fund the overuse of personal

825
00:30:40,042 --> 00:30:40,292
funds to cover caucus's expenses

826
00:30:41,877 --> 00:30:42,127
or not depending on the

827
00:30:44,096 --> 00:30:44,346
situation was never an

828
00:30:46,365 --> 00:30:46,615
expectation. there was no

829
00:30:49,635 --> 00:30:49,885
clear bookkeeping and as we've

830
00:30:51,620 --> 00:30:51,870
reviewed over the summer what

831
00:30:52,354 --> 00:30:52,604
is there is very difficult to

832
00:30:55,874 --> 00:30:56,124
follow and all this led to a

833
00:30:57,843 --> 00:30:58,093
break in the trust of the duty

834
00:30:58,660 --> 00:30:58,910
given to her by our caucus

835
00:31:01,613 --> 00:31:01,863
this as

836
00:31:04,116 --> 00:31:04,366
as you saidpresentative Woodrow

837
00:31:06,285 --> 00:31:06,535
this this pains me personally. I

838
00:31:07,953 --> 00:31:08,203
see

839
00:31:11,874 --> 00:31:12,124
I also have a deep fondness

840
00:31:13,609 --> 00:31:13,859
forpresentative Lindsay in

841
00:31:16,345 --> 00:31:16,595
respect her in her her passion

842
00:31:20,299 --> 00:31:20,549
to to be a representative and to

843
00:31:22,301 --> 00:31:22,551
represent her constituents

844
00:31:25,904 --> 00:31:26,154
and to to help all of us and

845
00:31:27,623 --> 00:31:27,873
it makes what we are tasked to

846
00:31:29,625 --> 00:31:29,875
do here very hard and I know

847
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:30,609
that this must be very hard for

848
00:31:32,394 --> 00:31:32,644
Representative Lindsey as well

849
00:31:35,864 --> 00:31:36,114
to experience but I also have

850
00:31:37,766 --> 00:31:38,016
come to the conclusion as I

851
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:38,583
stated before of our original

852
00:31:42,054 --> 00:31:42,304
finding of probable cause I

853
00:31:42,638 --> 00:31:42,888
have reviewed the memo that

854
00:31:47,593 --> 00:31:47,843
OLs provided to us after our

855
00:31:49,628 --> 00:31:49,878
last meeting but I think it

856
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:52,330
would be worthwhile to go

857
00:31:55,617 --> 00:31:55,867
through that in our public

858
00:31:58,103 --> 00:31:58,353
meeting here today so that

859
00:31:58,687 --> 00:31:58,937
we're very clear on

860
00:32:00,772 --> 00:32:01,022
at least what

861
00:32:05,861 --> 00:32:06,111
house Rule49s but also what

862
00:32:07,879 --> 00:32:08,129
it doesn't say and what our

863
00:32:11,617 --> 00:32:11,867
options may be so under the rule

864
00:32:13,885 --> 00:32:14,135
I'll just go through this so

865
00:32:15,621 --> 00:32:15,871
you you could we can dig into

866
00:32:17,623 --> 00:32:17,873
any questions the committee may

867
00:32:18,340 --> 00:32:18,590
number one we can dismiss the

868
00:32:20,125 --> 00:32:20,375
complaint againstpresentative

869
00:32:23,629 --> 00:32:23,879
Lindseay which I'm hearing

870
00:32:24,229 --> 00:32:24,479
from committee members that

871
00:32:27,633 --> 00:32:27,883
that's not something that we are

872
00:32:28,350 --> 00:32:28,600
interested in pursuing at this

873
00:32:30,452 --> 00:32:30,702
time 2 we can find action we can

874
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:31,369
find some a

875
00:32:33,305 --> 00:32:33,555
ction should be taken

876
00:32:36,341 --> 00:32:36,591
so those are those are kind of

877
00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:38,860
the two big buckets and

878
00:32:43,632 --> 00:32:43,882
so under actions that could be

879
00:32:46,385 --> 00:32:46,635
taken it's important to

880
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:48,370
realize that what's listed in

881
00:32:51,623 --> 00:32:51,873
House Rule49 is is a

882
00:32:52,391 --> 00:32:52,641
nonexhaustive list of

883
00:32:54,126 --> 00:32:54,376
permissional permissible

884
00:32:54,643 --> 00:32:54,893
recommendations meaning we can

885
00:32:58,380 --> 00:32:58,630
fill in some of the blanks that

886
00:33:00,382 --> 00:33:00,632
aren't written in rule

887
00:33:04,136 --> 00:33:04,386
but what's written there are

888
00:33:06,638 --> 00:33:06,888
reprimand censure or expulsionga

889
00:33:10,092 --> 00:33:10,342
nonexhaustive we have the

890
00:33:12,427 --> 00:33:12,677
ability and the authority to

891
00:33:17,866 --> 00:33:18,116
fill in the the blanks with that

892
00:33:20,352 --> 00:33:20,602
umpresentative Woodrow I think

893
00:33:21,820 --> 00:33:22,070
it was that asked

894
00:33:25,607 --> 00:33:25,857
maybe it was Maybury now I've

895
00:33:29,594 --> 00:33:29,844
lostway about those things that

896
00:33:32,314 --> 00:33:32,564
require by rule a full house

897
00:33:35,617 --> 00:33:35,867
vote either by majority vote

898
00:33:38,286 --> 00:33:38,536
or 2/3 vote is

899
00:33:42,124 --> 00:33:42,374
is there you know there was a

900
00:33:45,610 --> 00:33:45,860
question about that

901
00:33:47,612 --> 00:33:47,862
considering you know the

902
00:33:49,614 --> 00:33:49,864
consequence of the the situation

903
00:33:50,298 --> 00:33:50,548
that we're in with

904
00:33:51,850 --> 00:33:52,100
representative Lindsay not

905
00:33:53,869 --> 00:33:54,119
coming back for the twenty7

906
00:33:57,622 --> 00:33:57,872
session and then what's not

907
00:33:59,608 --> 00:33:59,858
written down that we could also

908
00:34:00,375 --> 00:34:00,625
consider so I'll I'll turn it

909
00:34:03,879 --> 00:34:04,129
over to you all and then

910
00:34:05,881 --> 00:34:06,131
committee please ask

911
00:34:08,417 --> 00:34:08,667
questions as they come up Miss

912
00:34:09,101 --> 00:34:09,351
Chase

913
00:34:12,137 --> 00:34:12,387
thank you madam chair members of

914
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:14,089
the committeerie Chase officef

915
00:34:15,607 --> 00:34:15,857
of Legislative Legal Services

916
00:34:16,224 --> 00:34:16,474
and thank you for your

917
00:34:18,343 --> 00:34:18,593
questions. as you noted madam

918
00:34:20,345 --> 00:34:20,595
chairir under the rule there is

919
00:34:23,849 --> 00:34:24,099
a a nonexhaustive list of

920
00:34:25,634 --> 00:34:25,884
actions that the committee could

921
00:34:27,619 --> 00:34:27,869
recommend reprimand censure and

922
00:34:29,921 --> 00:34:30,171
expulsion are the ones listed

923
00:34:31,923 --> 00:34:32,173
and the rule then further states

924
00:34:33,608 --> 00:34:33,858
what the vote of the body would

925
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:35,860
need to be so those are actions

926
00:34:37,612 --> 00:34:37,862
as described in the rule that

927
00:34:38,447 --> 00:34:38,697
the body would need to take and

928
00:34:39,114 --> 00:34:39,364
in this situation

929
00:34:43,618 --> 00:34:43,868
unless God forbid you have a

930
00:34:44,619 --> 00:34:44,869
special session between now and

931
00:34:46,121 --> 00:34:46,371
the regular convenience session

932
00:34:49,841 --> 00:34:50,091
in 2027 there's no

933
00:34:51,593 --> 00:34:51,843
opportunity for the body to take

934
00:34:53,845 --> 00:34:54,095
action whilepresentative Lindsay

935
00:34:54,529 --> 00:34:54,779
is a member of the general

936
00:34:55,096 --> 00:34:55,346
assembly

937
00:34:59,868 --> 00:35:00,118
we have one example of the body

938
00:35:01,853 --> 00:35:02,103
taking action against a former

939
00:35:04,089 --> 00:35:04,339
member and that was back in

940
00:35:06,358 --> 00:35:06,608
the special session in 2025

941
00:35:08,110 --> 00:35:08,360
where the body adopted a

942
00:35:09,845 --> 00:35:10,095
resolution condemning the

943
00:35:12,097 --> 00:35:12,347
behavior of a former member so

944
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:15,850
that is something that if you

945
00:35:16,318 --> 00:35:16,568
wanted to recommend that the

946
00:35:19,604 --> 00:35:19,854
body take action the soonest

947
00:35:20,155 --> 00:35:20,405
that could happen would be in

948
00:35:22,374 --> 00:35:22,624
the 2027 legislative session

949
00:35:24,242 --> 00:35:24,492
the body could consider a

950
00:35:24,826 --> 00:35:25,076
resolution

951
00:35:28,113 --> 00:35:28,363
condemning the behavior of a

952
00:35:29,648 --> 00:35:29,898
former member of that being

953
00:35:31,867 --> 00:35:32,117
represented Lilindsay

954
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:34,369
alternatively the committee

955
00:35:35,871 --> 00:35:36,121
could make recommendations for

956
00:35:37,856 --> 00:35:38,106
the speaker to take action. The

957
00:35:38,573 --> 00:35:38,823
speaker has in prior

958
00:35:40,342 --> 00:35:40,592
circumstances taken action to

959
00:35:43,612 --> 00:35:43,862
formally reprimand a member so

960
00:35:46,114 --> 00:35:46,364
reprimand is a term that is an a

961
00:35:47,949 --> 00:35:48,199
type of remedy that has been

962
00:35:51,603 --> 00:35:51,853
can be used by the body and also

963
00:35:52,604 --> 00:35:52,854
has been used by the speaker

964
00:35:54,372 --> 00:35:54,622
under her authority as the

965
00:35:56,358 --> 00:35:56,608
presiding officer of the body.

966
00:35:59,611 --> 00:35:59,861
generally other actions that

967
00:36:01,613 --> 00:36:01,863
could be taken could be done

968
00:36:02,214 --> 00:36:02,464
things that you recommend that

969
00:36:04,132 --> 00:36:04,382
the speaker do as outlined in

970
00:36:06,418 --> 00:36:06,668
the memorandum formal admonition

971
00:36:08,403 --> 00:36:08,653
which is what this committee in

972
00:36:10,388 --> 00:36:10,638
a prior matter had recommended

973
00:36:12,490 --> 00:36:12,740
the speaker take action in that

974
00:36:13,175 --> 00:36:13,425
manner as well

975
00:36:18,096 --> 00:36:18,346
short of that I mean the

976
00:36:20,348 --> 00:36:20,598
circumstances make it difficult

977
00:36:23,618 --> 00:36:23,868
if the committee wants to to

978
00:36:24,369 --> 00:36:24,619
make recommendations for certain

979
00:36:25,036 --> 00:36:25,286
actions

980
00:36:29,608 --> 00:36:29,858
the body is limited in what

981
00:36:30,258 --> 00:36:30,508
what actions it would be able to

982
00:36:30,942 --> 00:36:31,192
take

983
00:36:36,064 --> 00:36:36,314
so to be clear just to reiterate

984
00:36:38,316 --> 00:36:38,566
even though it lists

985
00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:42,620
reprimand and and states that

986
00:36:43,838 --> 00:36:44,088
that requires a simple majority

987
00:36:45,874 --> 00:36:46,124
vote of the house

988
00:36:49,895 --> 00:36:50,145
there is that other reprimand

989
00:36:54,132 --> 00:36:54,382
situation that is under the

990
00:36:56,117 --> 00:36:56,367
speaker's purview to be able to

991
00:36:58,453 --> 00:36:58,703
do that because we have past

992
00:36:59,120 --> 00:36:59,370
history of of that

993
00:37:02,474 --> 00:37:02,724
happening and that's not

994
00:37:06,094 --> 00:37:06,344
that doesn't necessarily fall

995
00:37:08,113 --> 00:37:08,363
under this particular the vote

996
00:37:11,616 --> 00:37:11,866
reprimand it is just separate

997
00:37:14,085 --> 00:37:14,335
from that. I I had a question

998
00:37:16,354 --> 00:37:16,604
about you know the report of

999
00:37:18,073 --> 00:37:18,323
this committee going to

1000
00:37:22,093 --> 00:37:22,343
leadership the the fact that

1001
00:37:26,097 --> 00:37:26,347
this complaint was reviewed by

1002
00:37:28,116 --> 00:37:28,366
the speaker majority leader and

1003
00:37:30,585 --> 00:37:30,835
minority leader and they the

1004
00:37:32,437 --> 00:37:32,687
three of them made the decision

1005
00:37:33,121 --> 00:37:33,371
to forward it to this committee

1006
00:37:37,609 --> 00:37:37,859
are are they consider all three

1007
00:37:39,878 --> 00:37:40,128
of them considered leadership

1008
00:37:41,863 --> 00:37:42,113
that the report goes back to and

1009
00:37:44,065 --> 00:37:44,315
is it the three of them that

1010
00:37:48,336 --> 00:37:48,586
have the ability to to do any or

1011
00:37:50,138 --> 00:37:50,388
is it solely on the speaker

1012
00:37:52,107 --> 00:37:52,357
because the Democrats are in the

1013
00:37:52,824 --> 00:37:53,074
majority and she's the

1014
00:37:56,344 --> 00:37:56,594
the speaker of the house and

1015
00:37:57,862 --> 00:37:58,112
this was a majority caucus

1016
00:37:58,513 --> 00:37:58,763
issue. I'm just curious about

1017
00:38:00,398 --> 00:38:00,648
that because they the three of

1018
00:38:03,618 --> 00:38:03,868
them triggered the whole

1019
00:38:06,371 --> 00:38:06,621
committee process so can you

1020
00:38:08,106 --> 00:38:08,356
help me with that? I don't know

1021
00:38:08,757 --> 00:38:09,007
if anybody else had that

1022
00:38:09,341 --> 00:38:09,591
question.

1023
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:12,560
thank you madam chairir.

1024
00:38:14,312 --> 00:38:14,562
againrie Chase legislative

1025
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:17,849
legalervices based on pra

1026
00:38:18,283 --> 00:38:18,533
past practices it would be our

1027
00:38:21,636 --> 00:38:21,886
recommendation that any final

1028
00:38:23,621 --> 00:38:23,871
report that the committee issues

1029
00:38:25,607 --> 00:38:25,857
would go to the speaker under

1030
00:38:27,859 --> 00:38:28,109
the rule a complaint is filed

1031
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:28,710
with the speaker and then the

1032
00:38:30,111 --> 00:38:30,361
speaker's directed to confer

1033
00:38:31,863 --> 00:38:32,113
with the minority and majority

1034
00:38:33,631 --> 00:38:33,881
leader to determine whether or

1035
00:38:35,850 --> 00:38:36,100
not the complaint lacks merit

1036
00:38:38,136 --> 00:38:38,386
or if it they can't find that

1037
00:38:38,753 --> 00:38:39,003
it lacks merit and then it gets

1038
00:38:39,437 --> 00:38:39,687
referred to

1039
00:38:43,842 --> 00:38:44,092
a committee all prior ethics

1040
00:38:45,610 --> 00:38:45,860
committees of the house and of

1041
00:38:47,846 --> 00:38:48,096
the senate their final report is

1042
00:38:49,614 --> 00:38:49,864
directed to the presiding

1043
00:38:51,633 --> 00:38:51,883
officer of the body. when

1044
00:38:52,250 --> 00:38:52,500
you're in session that goes to

1045
00:38:53,868 --> 00:38:54,118
the presiding officer and then

1046
00:38:55,954 --> 00:38:56,204
it gets read it's read as a

1047
00:38:56,538 --> 00:38:56,788
committee report read across the

1048
00:38:58,073 --> 00:38:58,323
desk and printed in the journal

1049
00:38:59,858 --> 00:39:00,108
in this circumstance since

1050
00:39:00,442 --> 00:39:00,692
you're not in session it would

1051
00:39:02,594 --> 00:39:02,844
not be printed in the journal

1052
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:05,880
prior ethics committees in 2024

1053
00:39:06,364 --> 00:39:06,614
the Senate Ethics Committee met

1054
00:39:08,533 --> 00:39:08,783
during the summer issued a

1055
00:39:09,117 --> 00:39:09,367
report and recommendations

1056
00:39:11,636 --> 00:39:11,886
to the president and the senate

1057
00:39:12,337 --> 00:39:12,587
and then that final report was

1058
00:39:15,590 --> 00:39:15,840
is posted still on the Senate

1059
00:39:16,307 --> 00:39:16,557
Ethics Committee website so that

1060
00:39:19,594 --> 00:39:19,844
would be probably the outcome in

1061
00:39:20,562 --> 00:39:20,812
this situation as well but your

1062
00:39:22,097 --> 00:39:22,347
my our recommendation is that

1063
00:39:24,099 --> 00:39:24,349
your report go to the speaker on

1064
00:39:25,650 --> 00:39:25,900
behalf of the house as the

1065
00:39:26,201 --> 00:39:26,451
presiding officer of the house.

1066
00:39:29,871 --> 00:39:30,121
thank you for that that's was

1067
00:39:31,856 --> 00:39:32,106
for for those that may be

1068
00:39:33,858 --> 00:39:34,108
listening that was an important

1069
00:39:36,127 --> 00:39:36,377
point because so often it says

1070
00:39:36,711 --> 00:39:36,961
you know to the House of

1071
00:39:38,363 --> 00:39:38,613
Representatives but the speaker

1072
00:39:41,866 --> 00:39:42,116
really as the presiding

1073
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:44,369
officer of the entire house

1074
00:39:46,371 --> 00:39:46,621
can accept that role as the

1075
00:39:48,323 --> 00:39:48,573
House of Representatives and so

1076
00:39:50,341 --> 00:39:50,591
I know we had that question

1077
00:39:53,611 --> 00:39:53,861
on a previous case and so I just

1078
00:39:54,345 --> 00:39:54,595
wanted to make that crystal

1079
00:39:55,947 --> 00:39:56,197
clear that that one person

1080
00:39:56,514 --> 00:39:56,764
can represent

1081
00:39:57,732 --> 00:39:57,982
the whole house

1082
00:40:02,404 --> 00:40:02,654
Further questions for our OLS

1083
00:40:04,389 --> 00:40:04,639
team representativeOper.

1084
00:40:05,623 --> 00:40:05,873
thank you ma'am.

1085
00:40:07,876 --> 00:40:08,126
on the question of printing in

1086
00:40:09,928 --> 00:40:10,178
the journal, I know that there's

1087
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:12,130
things that happen outside of

1088
00:40:12,514 --> 00:40:12,764
the legislative session that

1089
00:40:13,932 --> 00:40:14,182
then do get printed in the

1090
00:40:15,650 --> 00:40:15,900
journal when a new session

1091
00:40:16,234 --> 00:40:16,484
begins such as a member

1092
00:40:16,801 --> 00:40:17,051
resigning

1093
00:40:19,854 --> 00:40:20,104
I'm trying to think of other

1094
00:40:20,505 --> 00:40:20,755
things but

1095
00:40:23,858 --> 00:40:24,108
would something like that ever

1096
00:40:24,742 --> 00:40:24,992
happen from a report from an

1097
00:40:25,326 --> 00:40:25,576
ethics committee.

1098
00:40:31,616 --> 00:40:31,866
se thank you madam Chair

1099
00:40:32,317 --> 00:40:32,567
thank you Representative Soper

1100
00:40:34,335 --> 00:40:34,585
for the question. I we don't

1101
00:40:36,121 --> 00:40:36,371
have any knowledge of that

1102
00:40:38,056 --> 00:40:38,306
happening with the prior

1103
00:40:40,575 --> 00:40:40,825
ethics committee we'd have to

1104
00:40:42,110 --> 00:40:42,360
check with the chief clerk to

1105
00:40:43,611 --> 00:40:43,861
see if there are other things

1106
00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:44,579
that occur outside of session

1107
00:40:45,864 --> 00:40:46,114
that do get printed in the

1108
00:40:48,366 --> 00:40:48,616
journal I'm not certain that

1109
00:40:50,585 --> 00:40:50,835
a remember resigning that notice

1110
00:40:51,269 --> 00:40:51,519
gets printed in the journal but

1111
00:40:53,605 --> 00:40:53,855
I haven't specifically looked

1112
00:40:55,623 --> 00:40:55,873
for that and now I can't answer

1113
00:40:56,241 --> 00:40:56,491
that question off the top of my

1114
00:40:57,859 --> 00:40:58,109
head but the journal is

1115
00:41:00,128 --> 00:41:00,378
typically the actions that occur

1116
00:41:01,896 --> 00:41:02,146
during the legislative session

1117
00:41:02,580 --> 00:41:02,830
of the general assembly of each

1118
00:41:03,264 --> 00:41:03,514
chamber.

1119
00:41:08,286 --> 00:41:08,536
you have another question?

1120
00:41:09,888 --> 00:41:10,138
right, I have another question

1121
00:41:13,791 --> 00:41:14,041
I'm curious to know if

1122
00:41:17,862 --> 00:41:18,112
a a person that has been elected

1123
00:41:20,381 --> 00:41:20,631
by a caucus within the general

1124
00:41:23,635 --> 00:41:23,885
assembly for this example of

1125
00:41:24,435 --> 00:41:24,685
course it's the House Democratic

1126
00:41:26,421 --> 00:41:26,671
caucus. if they've been elected

1127
00:41:29,874 --> 00:41:30,124
by the house caucus does

1128
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:31,859
leadership or the speaker have

1129
00:41:33,628 --> 00:41:33,878
the authority to remove that

1130
00:41:36,164 --> 00:41:36,414
person who was elected by the

1131
00:41:38,483 --> 00:41:38,733
caucus or do they not have that

1132
00:41:39,150 --> 00:41:39,400
authority

1133
00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:43,838
Miss Chase if that was clear

1134
00:41:44,339 --> 00:41:44,589
it's clear thank you madam

1135
00:41:45,907 --> 00:41:46,157
chairir you know

1136
00:41:48,176 --> 00:41:48,426
we're not privy to any

1137
00:41:51,613 --> 00:41:51,863
rules of proceedings of the

1138
00:41:54,315 --> 00:41:54,565
caucuses but it seems to us

1139
00:41:57,652 --> 00:41:57,902
that if a member is elected by a

1140
00:41:59,904 --> 00:42:00,154
certain body to a position then

1141
00:42:01,606 --> 00:42:01,856
that body would need to be the

1142
00:42:02,257 --> 00:42:02,507
one that removes that member.

1143
00:42:04,342 --> 00:42:04,592
doesn't mean you couldn't

1144
00:42:06,110 --> 00:42:06,360
recommend that the speaker

1145
00:42:08,296 --> 00:42:08,546
encourage requests to ask that

1146
00:42:09,831 --> 00:42:10,081
the member resign from that

1147
00:42:10,582 --> 00:42:10,832
position but it doesn't seem

1148
00:42:11,900 --> 00:42:12,150
that the speaker would have the

1149
00:42:13,868 --> 00:42:14,118
authority to remove a person

1150
00:42:14,452 --> 00:42:14,702
that is elected by another body.

1151
00:42:17,605 --> 00:42:17,855
thank you for that

1152
00:42:18,022 --> 00:42:18,272
claritypresentative Mabry.

1153
00:42:22,076 --> 00:42:22,326
thank you madamir Miss Chase

1154
00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:24,095
just mentioned

1155
00:42:28,099 --> 00:42:28,349
what I think would be

1156
00:42:30,335 --> 00:42:30,585
potentially inappropriate

1157
00:42:32,337 --> 00:42:32,587
thing for us to recommend which

1158
00:42:36,090 --> 00:42:36,340
is we could recommend that

1159
00:42:39,877 --> 00:42:40,127
the speaker request

1160
00:42:41,846 --> 00:42:42,096
thatpresentative Lindsey

1161
00:42:42,564 --> 00:42:42,814
resigned from the position of

1162
00:42:43,815 --> 00:42:44,065
caucus chair like

1163
00:42:47,635 --> 00:42:47,885
in a public letter or something

1164
00:42:49,621 --> 00:42:49,871
like that and I feel like

1165
00:42:51,923 --> 00:42:52,173
that's a way for us to be on the

1166
00:42:52,607 --> 00:42:52,857
record

1167
00:42:56,144 --> 00:42:56,394
saying that that's what we think

1168
00:42:57,595 --> 00:42:57,845
is an appropriate remedy but

1169
00:42:59,631 --> 00:42:59,881
recognizing that it might not be

1170
00:43:01,766 --> 00:43:02,016
within our scope of power or the

1171
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:02,700
speakers' alone.

1172
00:43:09,607 --> 00:43:09,857
hear hear that and I you know

1173
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:12,360
knowing that that would be a

1174
00:43:13,845 --> 00:43:14,095
potentially a finding of the

1175
00:43:15,847 --> 00:43:16,097
committee might add a little

1176
00:43:17,865 --> 00:43:18,115
weight to that request is what

1177
00:43:18,533 --> 00:43:18,783
I'm hearing Representative Soper

1178
00:43:22,353 --> 00:43:22,603
thank you madam chair and and I

1179
00:43:25,623 --> 00:43:25,873
agree with ourpresentative

1180
00:43:26,190 --> 00:43:26,440
Mare

1181
00:43:26,741 --> 00:43:26,991
but kind of along those same

1182
00:43:27,308 --> 00:43:27,558
lines

1183
00:43:30,178 --> 00:43:30,428
does a speaker have a power to

1184
00:43:33,765 --> 00:43:34,015
not assign a member to a

1185
00:43:34,315 --> 00:43:34,565
committee

1186
00:43:34,582 --> 00:43:34,832
there's a member

1187
00:43:37,852 --> 00:43:38,102
you know have the right to

1188
00:43:40,104 --> 00:43:40,354
physical office or a leadership

1189
00:43:42,307 --> 00:43:42,557
position on a committee. Can all

1190
00:43:45,610 --> 00:43:45,860
those be taken away or are those

1191
00:43:46,294 --> 00:43:46,544
things that are protected

1192
00:43:46,861 --> 00:43:47,111
Miss Chase

1193
00:43:51,783 --> 00:43:52,033
thank you madam chairir.

1194
00:43:55,903 --> 00:43:56,153
as as to positions on committee

1195
00:43:57,605 --> 00:43:57,855
and leadership positions on

1196
00:43:58,323 --> 00:43:58,573
committee all and so that

1197
00:44:00,358 --> 00:44:00,608
question first as the

1198
00:44:02,126 --> 00:44:02,376
appointing authority for

1199
00:44:04,145 --> 00:44:04,395
positions on committees the

1200
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:06,130
speaker does have the authority

1201
00:44:07,632 --> 00:44:07,882
to remove or modify any

1202
00:44:10,134 --> 00:44:10,384
appointments to committees

1203
00:44:10,735 --> 00:44:10,985
similarly in a

1204
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:16,090
with regard to but not as a

1205
00:44:17,625 --> 00:44:17,875
result of a complaint in a

1206
00:44:19,877 --> 00:44:20,127
senate ethics matter before

1207
00:44:21,612 --> 00:44:21,862
there was a complaint filed and

1208
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:22,630
actually after the complaint was

1209
00:44:26,367 --> 00:44:26,617
filed a member of the senate was

1210
00:44:28,386 --> 00:44:28,636
removed as chair of a committee

1211
00:44:29,887 --> 00:44:30,137
and then after the complaint was

1212
00:44:31,622 --> 00:44:31,872
filed was removed from all

1213
00:44:33,608 --> 00:44:33,858
committees so there is precedent

1214
00:44:34,342 --> 00:44:34,592
for that at least in the

1215
00:44:36,344 --> 00:44:36,594
senate in terms of

1216
00:44:40,398 --> 00:44:40,648
holding an office a physical

1217
00:44:42,050 --> 00:44:42,300
office in the building

1218
00:44:46,437 --> 00:44:46,687
you might view that as

1219
00:44:50,658 --> 00:44:50,908
the office is the is

1220
00:44:54,128 --> 00:44:54,378
every member is elected to a

1221
00:44:56,381 --> 00:44:56,631
position in the body by their

1222
00:44:58,116 --> 00:44:58,366
district by their constituents

1223
00:45:00,118 --> 00:45:00,368
in their district their district

1224
00:45:01,886 --> 00:45:02,136
constituents need to have a way

1225
00:45:02,587 --> 00:45:02,837
to get to their member while

1226
00:45:04,389 --> 00:45:04,639
that member is still a member of

1227
00:45:07,608 --> 00:45:07,858
the body so I'm not sure that

1228
00:45:08,342 --> 00:45:08,592
there's the authority to remove

1229
00:45:10,344 --> 00:45:10,594
a person from their office.

1230
00:45:12,380 --> 00:45:12,630
There was again in that same

1231
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:14,849
senate situation when the Senate

1232
00:45:16,117 --> 00:45:16,367
and the House still had access

1233
00:45:19,854 --> 00:45:20,104
to offices in 1525 Sherman

1234
00:45:20,671 --> 00:45:20,921
Street, the member's office was

1235
00:45:21,355 --> 00:45:21,605
moved from the

1236
00:45:24,342 --> 00:45:24,592
Capitol to 1525 Sherman Street

1237
00:45:26,344 --> 00:45:26,594
but you don't have that option

1238
00:45:28,329 --> 00:45:28,579
anymore to move a member from

1239
00:45:31,616 --> 00:45:31,866
one office in the building to a

1240
00:45:32,316 --> 00:45:32,566
different building because there

1241
00:45:34,118 --> 00:45:34,368
are no more spaces available

1242
00:45:35,753 --> 00:45:36,003
for members of the body at this

1243
00:45:36,421 --> 00:45:36,671
time

1244
00:45:40,057 --> 00:45:40,307
umno circumstance that

1245
00:45:42,110 --> 00:45:42,360
occurred in that prior situation

1246
00:45:44,078 --> 00:45:44,328
was the member's desk in the

1247
00:45:47,598 --> 00:45:47,848
chamber was moved from I think

1248
00:45:50,101 --> 00:45:50,351
they had a position closer to

1249
00:45:51,619 --> 00:45:51,869
the well and they were moved to

1250
00:45:53,888 --> 00:45:54,138
the back row.gain you know in

1251
00:45:55,606 --> 00:45:55,856
this circumstance when the house

1252
00:45:57,608 --> 00:45:57,858
isn't going to be convening

1253
00:45:58,242 --> 00:45:58,492
before the term ends

1254
00:45:59,944 --> 00:46:00,194
there's not much

1255
00:46:05,817 --> 00:46:06,067
consequence in that if you're

1256
00:46:06,501 --> 00:46:06,751
trying to have a consequence.

1257
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:08,769
Hopefully that answers your

1258
00:46:09,070 --> 00:46:09,320
questions.

1259
00:46:09,337 --> 00:46:09,587
you

1260
00:46:14,325 --> 00:46:14,575
I have another question about

1261
00:46:14,942 --> 00:46:15,192
leadership

1262
00:46:18,479 --> 00:46:18,729
knowing that

1263
00:46:22,567 --> 00:46:22,817
it's our understanding I think

1264
00:46:23,234 --> 00:46:23,484
that leadership

1265
00:46:26,103 --> 00:46:26,353
or the speaker has control over

1266
00:46:30,091 --> 00:46:30,341
the caucus fund at this time and

1267
00:46:33,828 --> 00:46:34,078
umpresentative Joseph does as

1268
00:46:36,097 --> 00:46:36,347
well maybe I'm not 100% clear

1269
00:46:38,015 --> 00:46:38,265
on that but does

1270
00:46:42,103 --> 00:46:42,353
I know that Representative

1271
00:46:46,107 --> 00:46:46,357
Lindsey was had to turn over the

1272
00:46:49,894 --> 00:46:50,144
checkbook and the debit card so

1273
00:46:50,545 --> 00:46:50,795
access was

1274
00:46:56,417 --> 00:46:56,667
shut down there do they have

1275
00:47:00,471 --> 00:47:00,721
I guess it's in their hands any

1276
00:47:02,156 --> 00:47:02,406
oops

1277
00:47:05,726 --> 00:47:05,976
stop it

1278
00:47:22,243 --> 00:47:22,493
OK great thank you

1279
00:47:24,061 --> 00:47:24,311
they

1280
00:47:28,182 --> 00:47:28,432
they have control over the fund

1281
00:47:31,602 --> 00:47:31,852
and so it's up to them to decide

1282
00:47:35,623 --> 00:47:35,873
on any further reconciliation

1283
00:47:39,627 --> 00:47:39,877
or reimbursement or you know

1284
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:42,730
true chewing up of the whole

1285
00:47:43,064 --> 00:47:43,314
account

1286
00:47:46,434 --> 00:47:46,684
do we have any authority

1287
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:51,839
to make suggestions on that as

1288
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:52,490
far as

1289
00:47:54,342 --> 00:47:54,592
reimbursements or or not

1290
00:47:57,862 --> 00:47:58,112
Miss Chase thank you madam

1291
00:47:59,614 --> 00:47:59,864
Chair. before I answer that

1292
00:48:00,314 --> 00:48:00,564
question I need to clarify a

1293
00:48:01,866 --> 00:48:02,116
response that I made about

1294
00:48:04,368 --> 00:48:04,618
committee appointments in the

1295
00:48:05,853 --> 00:48:06,103
house the rules require that

1296
00:48:07,622 --> 00:48:07,872
every member serve on at least

1297
00:48:09,874 --> 00:48:10,124
one committee so the limitation

1298
00:48:11,626 --> 00:48:11,876
on the speaker removing a member

1299
00:48:13,844 --> 00:48:14,094
from committees they would the

1300
00:48:14,512 --> 00:48:14,762
member would still have to be on

1301
00:48:15,212 --> 00:48:15,462
one committee

1302
00:48:19,617 --> 00:48:19,867
sorry for that misstatement

1303
00:48:20,201 --> 00:48:20,451
in terms of

1304
00:48:24,655 --> 00:48:24,905
making any recommendations

1305
00:48:25,222 --> 00:48:25,472
related to the fund

1306
00:48:30,394 --> 00:48:30,644
we have several prior ethics

1307
00:48:32,113 --> 00:48:32,363
committees that have made

1308
00:48:36,100 --> 00:48:36,350
recommendations that seem to be

1309
00:48:37,852 --> 00:48:38,102
stemming from the alleged

1310
00:48:39,854 --> 00:48:40,104
behavior that was the subject of

1311
00:48:41,606 --> 00:48:41,856
the complaint but then

1312
00:48:42,123 --> 00:48:42,373
separately making a

1313
00:48:43,608 --> 00:48:43,858
recommendation about something

1314
00:48:46,294 --> 00:48:46,544
else. so for example and 2006 I

1315
00:48:46,944 --> 00:48:47,194
believe the

1316
00:48:50,131 --> 00:48:50,381
it was a different circumstance

1317
00:48:51,849 --> 00:48:52,099
of course the committee didn't

1318
00:48:52,533 --> 00:48:52,783
find probable cause. They

1319
00:48:54,068 --> 00:48:54,318
recognized though that the

1320
00:48:56,187 --> 00:48:56,437
member's behavior was maybe not

1321
00:48:59,624 --> 00:48:59,874
appropriate but they didn't find

1322
00:49:00,341 --> 00:49:00,591
probable cause of a violation

1323
00:49:01,609 --> 00:49:01,859
but then they made

1324
00:49:03,844 --> 00:49:04,094
recommendations about the per it

1325
00:49:05,613 --> 00:49:05,863
had to do with perium claims and

1326
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:06,530
they made recommendations

1327
00:49:08,299 --> 00:49:08,549
related to clarifying the per

1328
00:49:10,368 --> 00:49:10,618
diems clarifying when it's

1329
00:49:11,619 --> 00:49:11,869
appropriate to make a

1330
00:49:13,638 --> 00:49:13,888
prettyiumcla that sort of thing.

1331
00:49:14,372 --> 00:49:14,622
another instance where our

1332
00:49:16,340 --> 00:49:16,590
prior ethics committee again did

1333
00:49:17,875 --> 00:49:18,125
not find probable cause of an

1334
00:49:19,877 --> 00:49:20,127
ethics violation but wanted

1335
00:49:20,578 --> 00:49:20,828
further clarification and

1336
00:49:23,848 --> 00:49:24,098
provided recommendations

1337
00:49:25,866 --> 00:49:26,116
that members seeking travel

1338
00:49:26,500 --> 00:49:26,750
reimbursement seek

1339
00:49:29,620 --> 00:49:29,870
guidance before they make those

1340
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:32,590
claims so there are examples of

1341
00:49:34,108 --> 00:49:34,358
prior committees making

1342
00:49:35,843 --> 00:49:36,093
recommendations that weren't

1343
00:49:38,346 --> 00:49:38,596
specifically related to act

1344
00:49:40,114 --> 00:49:40,364
recommending action against a

1345
00:49:43,617 --> 00:49:43,867
member but were things that

1346
00:49:44,368 --> 00:49:44,618
you've discovered during your

1347
00:49:46,153 --> 00:49:46,403
investigation that highlight

1348
00:49:47,855 --> 00:49:48,105
issues or areas of concern that

1349
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:48,839
you might want to recommend.

1350
00:49:50,608 --> 00:49:50,858
doesn't mean that the body such

1351
00:49:52,393 --> 00:49:52,643
or the individuals that you make

1352
00:49:53,861 --> 00:49:54,111
those recommendations to are

1353
00:49:56,147 --> 00:49:56,397
obligated to take action but a

1354
00:49:56,847 --> 00:49:57,097
committee of five members

1355
00:49:58,366 --> 00:49:58,616
making a recommendation in a

1356
00:50:00,117 --> 00:50:00,367
final report would be a strong

1357
00:50:01,902 --> 00:50:02,152
urging for them to do something

1358
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:02,770
with regard to the fund. I mean

1359
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:03,470
if you want

1360
00:50:06,123 --> 00:50:06,373
I don't know the status of the

1361
00:50:06,791 --> 00:50:07,041
caucus having adopted

1362
00:50:10,211 --> 00:50:10,461
procedures for the management of

1363
00:50:11,846 --> 00:50:12,096
the fund or other things that

1364
00:50:14,131 --> 00:50:14,381
you think this process has

1365
00:50:15,916 --> 00:50:16,166
highlighted for you or certainly

1366
00:50:17,635 --> 00:50:17,885
appropriate things for you to

1367
00:50:18,269 --> 00:50:18,519
consider including in your

1368
00:50:18,819 --> 00:50:19,069
report

1369
00:50:22,056 --> 00:50:22,306
Yeah, thank you for that. I was

1370
00:50:23,841 --> 00:50:24,091
gonna bring that up because I

1371
00:50:24,525 --> 00:50:24,775
think that this committee should

1372
00:50:28,095 --> 00:50:28,345
in its report similar to what Mr

1373
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:31,849
Quinn recommended in his report

1374
00:50:33,601 --> 00:50:33,851
some of those things should

1375
00:50:34,435 --> 00:50:34,685
also come from this committee

1376
00:50:37,872 --> 00:50:38,122
that we recommend to house

1377
00:50:40,307 --> 00:50:40,557
leadership that again our our

1378
00:50:42,109 --> 00:50:42,359
purpose is to prevent this from

1379
00:50:44,061 --> 00:50:44,311
happening again and restore

1380
00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:46,597
trust in the process so some of

1381
00:50:48,332 --> 00:50:48,582
the things that were in that

1382
00:50:51,635 --> 00:50:51,885
report were to have a formal

1383
00:50:53,854 --> 00:50:54,104
approval workflow system for

1384
00:50:55,823 --> 00:50:56,073
reimbursements, direct spending

1385
00:50:58,292 --> 00:50:58,542
the cost of things with some

1386
00:50:59,860 --> 00:51:00,110
kind of approval process in

1387
00:51:01,862 --> 00:51:02,112
place from someone else an

1388
00:51:03,864 --> 00:51:04,114
expense log with the dates

1389
00:51:04,415 --> 00:51:04,665
vendor's purpose receipts

1390
00:51:04,982 --> 00:51:05,232
approval status

1391
00:51:08,102 --> 00:51:08,352
a budget created an updated

1392
00:51:11,822 --> 00:51:12,072
quarterly to be shared with the

1393
00:51:14,075 --> 00:51:14,325
caucus to review a system for

1394
00:51:16,060 --> 00:51:16,310
collecting the dues follow up

1395
00:51:17,878 --> 00:51:18,128
with some way to follow up with

1396
00:51:19,630 --> 00:51:19,880
members who are delinquent and

1397
00:51:22,116 --> 00:51:22,366
some kind of consequences or

1398
00:51:23,634 --> 00:51:23,884
system in place to help

1399
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:26,570
nonpaying members monthly

1400
00:51:28,572 --> 00:51:28,822
bank account reconciliation

1401
00:51:31,609 --> 00:51:31,859
and a written and approved plan

1402
00:51:32,343 --> 00:51:32,593
for items that are purchased for

1403
00:51:34,111 --> 00:51:34,361
the caucus which who which can

1404
00:51:34,745 --> 00:51:34,995
be used in the future with

1405
00:51:38,098 --> 00:51:38,348
some kind of inventory and and

1406
00:51:40,101 --> 00:51:40,351
knowledge of where those items

1407
00:51:41,852 --> 00:51:42,102
are to be stored. I just wanted

1408
00:51:44,088 --> 00:51:44,338
to put those on the record too

1409
00:51:45,856 --> 00:51:46,106
because I think that's through

1410
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:48,359
the process we've learned that

1411
00:51:51,612 --> 00:51:51,862
we need that future caucus

1412
00:51:53,631 --> 00:51:53,881
chairs need that future

1413
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:56,350
leadership folks need that and

1414
00:51:56,734 --> 00:51:56,984
it's

1415
00:52:00,387 --> 00:52:00,637
we're all we're all seeing that

1416
00:52:01,872 --> 00:52:02,122
that should have been in place

1417
00:52:02,540 --> 00:52:02,790
years ago and

1418
00:52:07,862 --> 00:52:08,112
I I know that even our current

1419
00:52:09,847 --> 00:52:10,097
caucus chairs wish that had been

1420
00:52:10,548 --> 00:52:10,798
in place long ago so

1421
00:52:14,185 --> 00:52:14,435
further questions, comments

1422
00:52:20,507 --> 00:52:20,757
direction from committee what

1423
00:52:21,926 --> 00:52:22,176
I made a couple of notes here

1424
00:52:22,593 --> 00:52:22,843
that

1425
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:26,330
we have discussed that

1426
00:52:30,117 --> 00:52:30,367
perhaps we could potentially

1427
00:52:30,784 --> 00:52:31,034
recommend the speaker a request

1428
00:52:34,155 --> 00:52:34,405
from our committee

1429
00:52:35,606 --> 00:52:35,856
thatpresentativelindsay resigned

1430
00:52:37,875 --> 00:52:38,125
from being caucus cochair for

1431
00:52:41,879 --> 00:52:42,129
the rest of her term we also

1432
00:52:43,614 --> 00:52:43,864
discussed and found out that

1433
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:45,849
there is the ability for the

1434
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:46,850
speaker to remove Representative

1435
00:52:49,904 --> 00:52:50,154
Lindsey from committee

1436
00:52:52,089 --> 00:52:52,339
assignments except for one

1437
00:52:56,343 --> 00:52:56,593
so whatever leadership the

1438
00:52:58,612 --> 00:52:58,862
speaker would consider in that

1439
00:53:00,481 --> 00:53:00,731
regard is up to her

1440
00:53:05,619 --> 00:53:05,869
are those at least those two

1441
00:53:07,588 --> 00:53:07,838
things is there anything else

1442
00:53:08,339 --> 00:53:08,589
that you know I'd like to hear

1443
00:53:11,609 --> 00:53:11,859
folks comments and at least

1444
00:53:12,259 --> 00:53:12,509
those

1445
00:53:13,744 --> 00:53:13,994
potential outcomes here

1446
00:53:21,952 --> 00:53:22,202
Represented soper thank you

1447
00:53:22,503 --> 00:53:22,753
ma'amir

1448
00:53:24,622 --> 00:53:24,872
' m agreeable to those and

1449
00:53:28,025 --> 00:53:28,275
would make a motion that the

1450
00:53:28,592 --> 00:53:28,842
appropriate time

1451
00:53:35,633 --> 00:53:35,883
Seeing no further comment than

1452
00:53:36,283 --> 00:53:36,533
Representative Soper would you

1453
00:53:40,254 --> 00:53:40,504
address the first

1454
00:53:43,607 --> 00:53:43,857
I think we should do these

1455
00:53:47,611 --> 00:53:47,861
separately oh yes Misss Chase

1456
00:53:48,279 --> 00:53:48,529
thank you

1457
00:53:50,431 --> 00:53:50,681
given that rule49F gives the

1458
00:53:52,483 --> 00:53:52,733
committee the option to dismiss

1459
00:53:54,468 --> 00:53:54,718
or the option to determine that

1460
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:56,670
you need to take action. You

1461
00:53:58,138 --> 00:53:58,388
might consider first making a

1462
00:53:59,857 --> 00:54:00,107
motion that you're deciding

1463
00:54:02,142 --> 00:54:02,392
under49F to take action to make

1464
00:54:04,411 --> 00:54:04,661
recommendations and then do

1465
00:54:05,779 --> 00:54:06,029
separate motions on your

1466
00:54:06,347 --> 00:54:06,597
recommendations.

1467
00:54:08,382 --> 00:54:08,632
thank you you got

1468
00:54:09,950 --> 00:54:10,200
thatpresentative Soper. All

1469
00:54:10,501 --> 00:54:10,751
right

1470
00:54:12,052 --> 00:54:12,302
I'll entertain mo

1471
00:54:14,355 --> 00:54:14,605
thank you madam chair. I move

1472
00:54:16,357 --> 00:54:16,607
that the committee finds under

1473
00:54:20,227 --> 00:54:20,477
rule49F to take action in this

1474
00:54:20,894 --> 00:54:21,144
matter.

1475
00:54:23,914 --> 00:54:24,164
secondconded bypresentative

1476
00:54:24,498 --> 00:54:24,748
Woodrow

1477
00:54:26,216 --> 00:54:26,466
Miss Berger, please call the

1478
00:54:26,884 --> 00:54:27,134
roll.

1479
00:54:30,371 --> 00:54:30,621
p re s ent ative Garcia Sander

1480
00:54:30,988 --> 00:54:31,238
Yes Maybebury yes

1481
00:54:37,628 --> 00:54:37,878
oodrowper adam yes and that

1482
00:54:38,279 --> 00:54:38,529
passes unanimously

1483
00:54:40,714 --> 00:54:40,964
Representative Soper thank you

1484
00:54:42,066 --> 00:54:42,316
madam chair. I move that the

1485
00:54:42,616 --> 00:54:42,866
committee

1486
00:54:46,153 --> 00:54:46,403
recommend a stern letter of

1487
00:54:48,188 --> 00:54:48,438
recommendman be issued to

1488
00:54:48,739 --> 00:54:48,989
Representative Lindsey

1489
00:54:52,376 --> 00:54:52,626
and that she'd be removed from

1490
00:54:54,128 --> 00:54:54,378
all of her committee and

1491
00:54:55,896 --> 00:54:56,146
leadership assignments except

1492
00:54:58,048 --> 00:54:58,298
one committee assignment per the

1493
00:54:58,749 --> 00:54:58,999
house rules

1494
00:55:02,419 --> 00:55:02,669
and further thatpresentative

1495
00:55:05,622 --> 00:55:05,872
Lindsay be requested to resign

1496
00:55:06,740 --> 00:55:06,990
from the position of Democratic

1497
00:55:07,424 --> 00:55:07,674
caucus cochair

1498
00:55:12,446 --> 00:55:12,696
I think that was clear enough

1499
00:55:17,634 --> 00:55:17,884
second that seconded by

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00:55:18,185 --> 00:55:18,435
Representative Garcia Sander

1501
00:55:20,521 --> 00:55:20,771
Miss Berger, please

1502
00:55:24,141 --> 00:55:24,391
did you want to say something?

1503
00:55:25,876 --> 00:55:26,126
OK Miss Berger please call the

1504
00:55:27,611 --> 00:55:27,861
roll. Representatives Garcia

1505
00:55:28,462 --> 00:55:28,712
Sander Yesoodrow

1506
00:55:32,399 --> 00:55:32,649
yes

1507
00:55:39,590 --> 00:55:39,840
and thank you for that

1508
00:55:41,592 --> 00:55:41,842
umpresentative Soper thank you

1509
00:55:42,359 --> 00:55:42,609
madam chairir. I further move

1510
00:55:45,612 --> 00:55:45,862
that the committee also include

1511
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:46,730
within our report that

1512
00:55:51,618 --> 00:55:51,868
house leadership developed

1513
00:55:52,369 --> 00:55:52,619
rules for best practices for the

1514
00:55:55,706 --> 00:55:55,956
handling of both caucuses of

1515
00:55:56,290 --> 00:55:56,540
financial matters

1516
00:56:01,945 --> 00:56:02,195
Any further comment

1517
00:56:04,531 --> 00:56:04,781
Miss Berger please call the

1518
00:56:05,115 --> 00:56:05,365
roll.

1519
00:56:09,870 --> 00:56:10,120
p re s ent ative s garciader Yes

1520
00:56:12,906 --> 00:56:13,156
Maybeburyoodrow soper yes

1521
00:56:19,897 --> 00:56:20,147
on that last motion will the

1522
00:56:21,632 --> 00:56:21,882
record just reflects some of the

1523
00:56:23,867 --> 00:56:24,117
things our report that I

1524
00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:26,670
outlined or do we need to be any

1525
00:56:28,405 --> 00:56:28,655
more specific than that or just

1526
00:56:30,657 --> 00:56:30,907
leave it up to leadership. they

1527
00:56:32,493 --> 00:56:32,743
will hear the list of things

1528
00:56:35,629 --> 00:56:35,879
that I mentioned on the record

1529
00:56:37,898 --> 00:56:38,148
but I'm just curious do we as a

1530
00:56:38,582 --> 00:56:38,832
committee in our report need to

1531
00:56:39,266 --> 00:56:39,516
include those.

1532
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:43,870
M Chase thank you madam chairir.

1533
00:56:46,323 --> 00:56:46,573
your motion was pretty broad

1534
00:56:48,158 --> 00:56:48,408
and open and not specific about

1535
00:56:49,977 --> 00:56:50,227
the sorts of things that you

1536
00:56:51,895 --> 00:56:52,145
want them to do specifically if

1537
00:56:53,914 --> 00:56:54,164
you want to be more specific you

1538
00:56:54,581 --> 00:56:54,831
should be have a more specific

1539
00:56:55,265 --> 00:56:55,515
motion on that point.

1540
00:57:01,872 --> 00:57:02,122
right I want to be more specific

1541
00:57:02,539 --> 00:57:02,789
so

1542
00:57:06,293 --> 00:57:06,543
you'll see 1 through 6 there I

1543
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:10,130
would like a motion to

1544
00:57:12,382 --> 00:57:12,632
include those and then with a

1545
00:57:14,384 --> 00:57:14,634
trailer or anything else that

1546
00:57:17,905 --> 00:57:18,155
they see fit to add for the

1547
00:57:18,489 --> 00:57:18,739
management of these

1548
00:57:19,940 --> 00:57:20,190
fundspresentative Soper thank

1549
00:57:20,624 --> 00:57:20,874
you ma'am sure

1550
00:57:23,844 --> 00:57:24,094
as a more specific motion, I

1551
00:57:26,580 --> 00:57:26,830
move that within the

1552
00:57:28,398 --> 00:57:28,648
developing of rules for the

1553
00:57:31,635 --> 00:57:31,885
management of the two caucuses

1554
00:57:34,121 --> 00:57:34,371
funds that it include a formal

1555
00:57:36,140 --> 00:57:36,390
approval of workflow systems for

1556
00:57:38,091 --> 00:57:38,341
reimbursement, direct spending

1557
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:40,410
costs with leadership approval

1558
00:57:42,429 --> 00:57:42,679
if needed a two expense logs

1559
00:57:44,181 --> 00:57:44,431
with dates vendors purpose

1560
00:57:46,383 --> 00:57:46,633
receipts and approval status.3,

1561
00:57:49,903 --> 00:57:50,153
a budget created and updated

1562
00:57:50,537 --> 00:57:50,787
quarterly is the best

1563
00:57:53,624 --> 00:57:53,874
practice and available for

1564
00:57:54,324 --> 00:57:54,574
anyone in the caucus to review

1565
00:57:57,644 --> 00:57:57,894
for a system for collecting dues

1566
00:57:58,362 --> 00:57:58,612
follow up with members who are

1567
00:58:00,481 --> 00:58:00,731
delinquent and consequences for

1568
00:58:01,148 --> 00:58:01,398
nonpaying members

1569
00:58:04,351 --> 00:58:04,601
ive a monthly bank account

1570
00:58:07,921 --> 00:58:08,171
reconciliation and six a written

1571
00:58:10,107 --> 00:58:10,357
and approval plan for items

1572
00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:12,109
purchased for the caucus which

1573
00:58:14,127 --> 00:58:14,377
can be used in the future and an

1574
00:58:15,762 --> 00:58:16,012
inventory and storage plan for

1575
00:58:16,446 --> 00:58:16,696
those items.

1576
00:58:21,635 --> 00:58:21,885
there a second seconded byre

1577
00:58:23,637 --> 00:58:23,887
representative Mary Miss

1578
00:58:24,171 --> 00:58:24,421
Berger please call a roll.

1579
00:58:27,641 --> 00:58:27,891
p re s ent ative Sgarcia Sander

1580
00:58:28,342 --> 00:58:28,592
Yes.

1581
00:58:30,194 --> 00:58:30,444
Mabry oodrow yes

1582
00:58:34,681 --> 00:58:34,931
that also passes unanimously

1583
00:58:39,620 --> 00:58:39,870
Miss Chase, is there any

1584
00:58:41,872 --> 00:58:42,122
further information that OLLS

1585
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:43,890
needs from us or any other

1586
00:58:46,443 --> 00:58:46,693
action items that we need to

1587
00:58:49,630 --> 00:58:49,880
follow up on Miss Chase. thank

1588
00:58:50,430 --> 00:58:50,680
you madam chairir. I would

1589
00:58:53,634 --> 00:58:53,884
recommend that the committee

1590
00:58:54,201 --> 00:58:54,451
deputize

1591
00:58:57,905 --> 00:58:58,155
one or two of you to work on

1592
00:58:59,606 --> 00:58:59,856
work with us on developing the

1593
00:59:03,610 --> 00:59:03,860
final report in the senate

1594
00:59:05,879 --> 00:59:06,129
hearing in 2024 they had a

1595
00:59:07,631 --> 00:59:07,881
specific motion authorizing the

1596
00:59:08,365 --> 00:59:08,615
chair and vice chair or their

1597
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:10,650
designees to draft the final

1598
00:59:11,868 --> 00:59:12,118
report and allow the committee

1599
00:59:13,887 --> 00:59:14,137
members opportunity to provide

1600
00:59:16,173 --> 00:59:16,423
input before making it final and

1601
00:59:17,925 --> 00:59:18,175
then submitting it to the

1602
00:59:19,626 --> 00:59:19,876
presiding officer so you might

1603
00:59:21,628 --> 00:59:21,878
consider doing something of

1604
00:59:23,647 --> 00:59:23,897
that nature and then we of

1605
00:59:24,181 --> 00:59:24,431
course would work with the

1606
00:59:24,731 --> 00:59:24,981
designees

1607
00:59:26,516 --> 00:59:26,766
on preparing that draft report

1608
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:27,450
and circulating it

1609
00:59:32,456 --> 00:59:32,706
I think we should pick the two

1610
00:59:34,341 --> 00:59:34,591
people that are not going to be

1611
00:59:35,025 --> 00:59:35,275
here next year.

1612
00:59:37,861 --> 00:59:38,111
Representative Woodrow oh I

1613
00:59:39,613 --> 00:59:39,863
moved to deputize the chair and

1614
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:42,449
vice chairs there a second

1615
00:59:48,155 --> 00:59:48,405
we I guess we're voting on this

1616
00:59:50,557 --> 00:59:50,807
yeah

1617
00:59:50,807 --> 00:59:51,057
yeah I'd rather oodrow

1618
00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:56,146
well Misserger please call

1619
00:59:57,798 --> 00:59:58,048
the roll on that motion

1620
01:00:00,367 --> 01:00:00,617
Representative Garcia Sander

1621
01:00:03,987 --> 01:00:04,237
No.

1622
01:00:06,139 --> 01:00:06,389
Maybery

1623
01:00:11,979 --> 01:00:12,229
Yes

1624
01:00:14,531 --> 01:00:14,781
yes soper

1625
01:00:18,268 --> 01:00:18,518
yes

1626
01:00:21,622 --> 01:00:21,872
am yes

1627
01:00:22,723 --> 01:00:22,973
that passes um4 to1.

1628
01:00:27,894 --> 01:00:28,144
OK sopresentative Soper and

1629
01:00:29,896 --> 01:00:30,146
myself will be available to help

1630
01:00:32,115 --> 01:00:32,365
OLs and also review the final

1631
01:00:34,551 --> 01:00:34,801
report before sending it on

1632
01:00:35,118 --> 01:00:35,368
its way

1633
01:00:39,890 --> 01:00:40,140
any further comments? I I want

1634
01:00:41,892 --> 01:00:42,142
to make one last comment. I

1635
01:00:42,442 --> 01:00:42,692
really do want to thank all the

1636
01:00:46,129 --> 01:00:46,379
staff you have been

1637
01:00:49,633 --> 01:00:49,883
amazing in helping us we know

1638
01:00:51,902 --> 01:00:52,152
this is been a journey that no

1639
01:00:54,104 --> 01:00:54,354
other general assembly has had

1640
01:00:57,891 --> 01:00:58,141
to to experience as far as

1641
01:01:00,143 --> 01:01:00,393
going to this level so thank you

1642
01:01:02,362 --> 01:01:02,612
so much for your help and your

1643
01:01:06,350 --> 01:01:06,600
memos and research I also

1644
01:01:08,151 --> 01:01:08,401
want to thank the these

1645
01:01:09,936 --> 01:01:10,186
committee members for taking

1646
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:12,539
this task so seriously and

1647
01:01:12,856 --> 01:01:13,106
forgiving at

1648
01:01:14,508 --> 01:01:14,758
the time and attention that it

1649
01:01:18,111 --> 01:01:18,361
deserved I think your actions

1650
01:01:21,865 --> 01:01:22,115
and inquiry and questions

1651
01:01:24,134 --> 01:01:24,384
have been really helpful.

1652
01:01:25,886 --> 01:01:26,136
they've helped me a lot so I

1653
01:01:27,888 --> 01:01:28,138
wanna thank you and also want to

1654
01:01:28,572 --> 01:01:28,822
thank

1655
01:01:31,625 --> 01:01:31,875
all the people who willingly

1656
01:01:35,629 --> 01:01:35,879
came to testify under oath to

1657
01:01:36,363 --> 01:01:36,613
help further inform the

1658
01:01:38,131 --> 01:01:38,381
committee on this issue we

1659
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:40,150
really do appreciate your time

1660
01:01:40,534 --> 01:01:40,784
and willingness. I know it

1661
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:42,569
wasn't an easy task for any of

1662
01:01:43,003 --> 01:01:43,253
us

1663
01:01:46,106 --> 01:01:46,356
going through this procedure

1664
01:01:48,325 --> 01:01:48,575
but really do appreciate that

1665
01:01:51,628 --> 01:01:51,878
everyone gave it the weight

1666
01:01:52,245 --> 01:01:52,495
that it deserved and

1667
01:01:56,133 --> 01:01:56,383
thank you again and with that

1668
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:57,050
this committee is adjourned.