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the delaware house delaware

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housing department task force

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meeting is called to order in

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accordance with HCR74 members of

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the public can participate

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either in person or virtually

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through Zoom webinar the public

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can participate virtually by

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registering through the meeting

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link posted on the general

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assembly's website instructions

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for providing public comment are

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available on the website under

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this taskorce meeting's notice

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and we'll also be shared during

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the public comment portion of

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the hearing members of the

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public physically present for

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the meeting

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and would like to provide a

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comment may sign up on the

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speaker's list today's task

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force meeting will begin with

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roll call attendance and a task

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force meeting members present

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sorry for the hesitation we

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thought Senatoruckxton wasn't

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coming that he came right in

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time look at that

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coachchairharris present

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cochairhoffner

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presidentpresentative Smith

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SenatorBuxton

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' ll be right back I'm gonna go

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get a suit and tie appreciate

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that

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uhrector heckles I'm here deputy

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secretary sheffert

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state planning director Edjill

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tro ll er generaliller

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deputyc deputy secretary cob

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right

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having a quorum present we will

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begin our task force the first

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agenda item is to vote on our

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previous minutes dated Thursday

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September2ieth2025 and Thursday

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December182025.

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people take a moment to look it

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over

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look them over

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push into a griff

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have a a motion to approve

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both sides all in favor say aye

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all opposed no

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having received the required

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number carries with that said

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our next agenda item is going to

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be with the delaware association

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of realtors their presentation

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gentle reminder reminder that

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you will have15 minutes give or

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take and then followed by a

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question and answer

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did we have two minutes to

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approve?

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yes said you said I'm sorry I'm

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sorry missed upper

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right good morning everyone

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thank you for the opportunity to

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speak with you today. my name is

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Wesley Stefaic and I am the CEO

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of the delaware association of

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Realtors. We represent the

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majority of delaware's licensed

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real estate professionals

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realtors working in all three

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counties at every price point in

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every community the state has

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cities small towns farmlands and

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of course the beaches we

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appreciate the seriousness with

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which you approach this issue

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and we want to share our on the

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ground perspective as the people

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who work in delaware's real

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estate marketplace every single

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ex t slide please

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the delaware association

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Realtors exist to preserve,

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protect and advance the right of

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real property ownership fore

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every delawarean we call

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ourselves the voice of real

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estate in delaware and when we

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say real estate we mean all of

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it residential commercial

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property management and land

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today is about housing so we'll

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focus on that but for what it's

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worth knowing DAr represents

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industrylongside our three local

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boards which is the newcastle

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County Board of Realtors the

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Kent County association of

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Realtors and the Sussex County

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Association realtors and in

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partnership with the national

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association of Realtors we

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support thousands of

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professionals whose daily work

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is helping people buy, sell and

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rent property the majority of it

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homes excuse me in every corner

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of the state just a quick note

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on the terms just so everyone's

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page onlyly members of the

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national association of Realtors

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can call can use the title

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realtor and then and every one

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of our members is licensed by

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the delaware Realeststate

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Commission and they also

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subscribe to the national

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association's code of ethics not

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all real estate agents are

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realtors DAR counts the majority

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of the state's real estate

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licensees among our members so

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what you'll hear from me today

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reflects that experience of most

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professionals working in

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delaware's housing market the

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numbers are somewhere around I

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have4200 members

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2000 more other types of

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licensees in the stateext

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our members pretty much created

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and still facilitate delaware's

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real estate marketplace. They

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handle most of the transactions

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that occur in the state each

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year and every one of those

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transactions generates revenue

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through through the state realty

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transfer tax making our

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member's' daily work one of the

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engines of state revenueccording

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to the state's own June202ix

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revenue forecast from Dfa the

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realty transfersfer tax

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collections are projected

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at247.4 million this fiscal year

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climbing to258.4 million by

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fiscal year2028. that's nearly

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a quarter of a billion dollars a

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year flowing into the state

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budget generated directly by the

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transactions our members handle

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but our role goes beyond the

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closing table. Our members are

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very often the first people to

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tell a first time buyer that

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delaware offers down payment

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assistance through the delaware

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state housing Authority or that

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a transfer tax exemption exists

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for first time buyers that

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information does no good sitting

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in a brochure or simply on a

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website it does good when a

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realtor's able to put it in

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their client's hands in front of

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ex t slide please

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we're investing our own

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resources not public funds in

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consumer education we're

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building a statewide housing

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resource website to help

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delaware delawareans find

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housing programs and educational

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materials in one place we're

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also launching a companion site

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focused on financial literacy

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for prospective buyers and

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you'll find the details of those

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websites in our written comments

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if you want to review them. I'm

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not going to say theurL's out

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loud but if you have my written

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comments you can find those and

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take a look for yourselves. They

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haven't launched yet but we got

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them up and running just so you

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can see what we'

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uhA does not receive or

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administer any public housing

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funds our most significant

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resources are people a statewide

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network of realtors local boards

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and staff that reaches every

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community in delaware and we

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regularly volunteer that network

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in support of housing

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initiativesext slide please

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so we already work directly

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withdSHA our members volunteer

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their time in professional

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expertise and projects the

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authority manages we partner

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withdSHha and the homeme

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buildilders association to host

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the delaware real estate summit

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registration closes Friday if

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you're interested it's next

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Thursday so you can still sign

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up we partner to bring that

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so that the public and private

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sides of delaware real estate

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can share data and coordinate on

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solutions and every time we

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educate our own members

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aboutdSHA's loan programme

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products and assistance

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programs those members carry

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that knowledge into every

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community they serve in effect

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our membership functions as a

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statewide distribution network

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for the state's own housing

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programs I've also personally

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myself served on the

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Production task forcece and

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we'll be on the new rights and

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responsibilitiesittee for

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landlords and enants which is

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getting started next next

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monthext slide please

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all right I can't come up here

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and not talk about it. I want to

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spend just a moment on the

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single greatest barriers our

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members see and that's the

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realty transfer tax at a

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combined rate of4% in most of

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delaware it's the highest state

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levelve transfer tax in the

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country collected at closing on

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top of the down payment on

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today's medium home price and I

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provided everybody a recent

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numbers in front of you on

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the today's meeting on home

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price of419450 dollars that's a

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transfer tax bill of

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roughly16,800 dollars

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or about $8400 for each the

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buyer and the seller

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the first time buyer reduction

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helps but it's capped at2000

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dollars and only applies to the

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first400,000 of value

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so for a lower or moderate

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income family that gap is often

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the difference between buying a

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and it's not a marginal line

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item the state's own forecast

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already counts on this tax to

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deliver close to a quarter

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billion dollars a year growing

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every year purely because our

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members keep closing

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transactions.

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the gap between owning and

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renting isn't just about

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transfer tax though it's about

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financial literacyc according to

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the Federal Reserve's2022 cons

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survey of consumer finances the

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median homeowner's net worth is

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roughly396,00 compared to

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just10,400 dollars for renters

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that's a gap of about38 times

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and it holds across nearly every

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age group

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that's part of why DAR is

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launching the financial literary

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literacy website for delawareans

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that I mentioned on the

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previous slides I know from my

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own experience I'm a former

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credit union chairman I served

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on the board of the delaware

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Mortgage Bankers association

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the delaware Council for

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Economic Education and I'm

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actually still supervisory

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chairman for a credit union here

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in delaware we know that just

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basic financial literacy eludes

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a lot of our friends and

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neighbors deer for it's

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everyday to improve the

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conditions for homeownership and

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more delaware delawareans

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can build generational wealth

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when my members and I raised

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concerns about the transfer tax

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you repeat what you just said

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please more specifically what's

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that just before you let into

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that

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you were explaining something

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about challenges in financial

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literacy

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right before that what was it

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that you were using as the

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example the survey of consumer

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what we yeah what was that

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soederalreserves it's the2022

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survey I believe it might be the

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last one the survey of consumer

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finances the median homeowner's

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net worth is roughly396,000

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compared to renters which

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is10,400 dollars

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so when my members and I raised

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concerns about the transfer tax

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it's just not abstract it's high

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nobodybody can dispute that and

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has to be paid at settlement it

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just can't be rolled into the

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mortgageext slide please

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realtors likely have the largest

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impact of any group in delaware

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to build generational wealth

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because we create and facilitate

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the marketplace through which

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most people acquire their single

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largest asset, their home we

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want a genuine partnership with

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the state not only in helping

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families get into homes small

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business buy a small businesses

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buy a building or larger

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businesses expand but in helping

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all of them stay here through

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coordinated outreach on

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foreclosure prevention homeme

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repair resources and just basic

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general consumer assistance

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our members are not observers in

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this market they are in it in

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every day in every community and

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when a policy makes a closing

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fall apart or policy or prices a

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first time buyers out of a

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neighborhood or makes the profit

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and loss statement no longer

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makes sense for businesses my

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members see it often long before

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it shows up in any state data

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sets that's why our interest in

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the state ins excuse me that's

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why our interests and the

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state's interests are aligned

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realtors succeed only when

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delawareans can buy, sell and

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keep their homes and properties

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a standing seat at the table

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whether through some sort of

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advisory role or simply

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consultation before

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rulemaking or lawmaking would

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cost the state little and help

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avoid unintended consequencesext

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slide please

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on the structural question

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before this task force I just

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want to be direct we believe the

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delaware state housing Authority

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is the best organization in the

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state to carry out the goals

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you're considering DSHA has

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decades of institutional

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knowledge established federal

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funding relationships and

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existing statewide programs

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rather than building a new

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department from scratch with the

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cost duplication and disruption

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that may entail we believe the

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state can accomplish its aims

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through a renaming or

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reorganization of the authority

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in many different ways paired

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with additional financial

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support for dedicated

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consumer assistance function if

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that is what you're seeking if

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these presentations that we've

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seen over the last few meetings

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have taught us anything. it's

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that state government already

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offers a wide range of housing

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related programs scattered

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across many different

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departments with no single place

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to find them all closing that

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gap is exactly why we were

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developing our website

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we're not finished with it like

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I said but if the state wants to

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take this on be our guest that's

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fine

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ex t slide please

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whateverever structure does

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emerge we do have one overriding

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concern the general assembly

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should not surrender its own

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authority by delegating

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rulemaking power that affects

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property owners to an executive

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agencycisions that touch the

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property rights of delawareans

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should remain with the people's

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elected representatives who

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directly answered to voters this

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is our most significant concern

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with any reorganization of

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government authority over

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housing and we urge this task

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force to make preservation of

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legislative authority and

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explicit principle in your

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recommendations

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ex t slide please

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if the goal's a onetop shop were

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any delawarean confined housing

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resources state provides as I

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said we don't believe that's a

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new department it requires a

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wellstaffed consumer hotline and

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a wellsign well designed website

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and like I said we're already

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building that ourselves we also

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think that maybe the211

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resources could be improved as

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well if the state does invest in

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new functions we recommend they

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be a consumer facing and service

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oriented navigation for

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assistance for first time buyers

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a clear front door to down

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payment and a repair programs

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and coord

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ination among the agencies and

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nonprofits that are already

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touch housing

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Next slide please delaware's

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housing challenge is

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fundamentally one of

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affordability and supply not

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insufficient bureaucracy look at

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where the market stands right

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now as of July delaware has

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had5760 active listings

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statewide sales1210 homes and5.5

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once.5 months of supply which we

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can actually say is a rather

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balanced market at this point in

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time. but the median sales price

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is up4.8% year over

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year to419,450 while sales

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volume is essentially flat up

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less than1% from a year ago.

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delawareans aren't staying out

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of the market because there's no

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state department to help them

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they're being simply priced out

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the most impactful steps the

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state can take are to lower the

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costs of buying a home starting

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with relief from the nation's

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highest

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transfer tax to support the

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production of new housing and to

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strengthen the agency that

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already does this work so

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well last slide and I just

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want to say thank you for your

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time today if you have any

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questions feel free but always

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consider the delaware state

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delaware association of realtors

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as a partner with any housing

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matters so thank you

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thank you any questions

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Director heckles

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first thanks the realtors are

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a great partner and in all of

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this with our first time

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home buyer mortgage program

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especially the sort of the

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flagship of homeownership atdSHA

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you talked about legislative

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authority

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and rulemaking power but

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vaguely is there anything that

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you have in mind about that that

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that would that would help me

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understand exactly what you mean

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there

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I believe where we're concerned

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if this new department is set up

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that they are now just

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rulemaking we believe that

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anything related to housing

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really should be a conversation

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in the legislature rather than

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going through the regulatory

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process for whatever topic

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I'm sure there's many we could

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talk about but you don't have a

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specific no the general concerns

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general concern yeah

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p re s ent ative s mi th

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thank you madam chairir Wes

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thanks for your presentation

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appreciate you bringing up the

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realty transfer tax I think

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we raised that to the highest in

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the nation the year before I was

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elected I think every year we've

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tried to put a bill forward to

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lower that we get I think

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in the arguments collectively in

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the building on exactly if

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that's a good or bad way of

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doing tax policy but at the end

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of the day it is hard earned

552
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money in every one of our

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constituents pockets that

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they're losing on that so it

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would be a proponent of of doing

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that knowing that we'd be giving

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that it was supposed to be a

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temporary tax kind of like the

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gross receipts tax but yet here

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00:25:22,761 --> 00:25:23,011
we are with that too just to use

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that as an example I think it's

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hard to talk to people on our

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position sometimes and really

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advocate for that because

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what I've found in my short

566
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tenure long tenure whatever it

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is at this point is that once

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you get the money it's hard to

569
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then give it back but I just

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want to bring it full circle

571
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real quick if you give me a

572
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little leniency is I was door

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knocking talking to some

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constituents around that have

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adults with disabilities and one

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of the things that I was very

577
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daunting to me as we passed

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theigngnesbeac before I was

579
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elected as well but was an

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00:25:54,843 --> 00:25:55,093
unfunded mandate that we still

581
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have yet to fulfill our promise

582
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on on paying direct

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support professionals and other

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to the what they should to

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deliver that service we should

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probably fulfill those promises

587
00:26:06,538 --> 00:26:06,788
first and lower things like this

588
00:26:08,523 --> 00:26:08,773
versus continuing to add new

589
00:26:10,742 --> 00:26:10,992
programs or new offices

590
00:26:12,277 --> 00:26:12,527
sometimes what I find adding the

591
00:26:13,228 --> 00:26:13,478
new office isn't necessarily the

592
00:26:14,763 --> 00:26:15,013
way to go it's the partnership

593
00:26:16,748 --> 00:26:16,998
model that is generally

594
00:26:18,767 --> 00:26:19,017
strengthening it because I find

595
00:26:20,836 --> 00:26:21,086
folks in your situation or your

596
00:26:22,971 --> 00:26:23,221
association market better

597
00:26:24,756 --> 00:26:25,006
than the government does so

598
00:26:25,340 --> 00:26:25,590
every time the government opens

599
00:26:26,942 --> 00:26:27,192
up a website markk that's not

600
00:26:27,609 --> 00:26:27,859
marketing marketing

601
00:26:30,512 --> 00:26:30,762
is putting dollars behind

602
00:26:31,229 --> 00:26:31,479
something so people know where

603
00:26:33,015 --> 00:26:33,265
to go as a onetop shop to do

604
00:26:34,766 --> 00:26:35,016
something so a website alone

605
00:26:37,035 --> 00:26:37,285
will not do that as you very

606
00:26:38,987 --> 00:26:39,237
well know so appreciate your

607
00:26:41,006 --> 00:26:41,256
conversation and hopefully we

608
00:26:43,225 --> 00:26:43,475
can do more around this but if

609
00:26:44,509 --> 00:26:44,759
we're not willing to put dollars

610
00:26:46,311 --> 00:26:46,561
behind where the office is like

611
00:26:46,995 --> 00:26:47,245
we do about so many other

612
00:26:48,764 --> 00:26:49,014
officess that we create we're

613
00:26:50,532 --> 00:26:50,782
probably just going to be back

614
00:26:51,249 --> 00:26:51,499
here again next year talking

615
00:26:51,833 --> 00:26:52,083
about the same thing so thank

616
00:26:52,484 --> 00:26:52,734
you

617
00:26:54,753 --> 00:26:55,003
you mind if

618
00:26:57,005 --> 00:26:57,255
I would say take a look at that

619
00:27:00,292 --> 00:27:00,542
website theurRL's in the written

620
00:27:00,992 --> 00:27:01,242
comments you know the goal

621
00:27:04,513 --> 00:27:04,763
for us is and and you've seen

622
00:27:05,097 --> 00:27:05,347
and heard that through the

623
00:27:06,298 --> 00:27:06,548
presentations that we've had is

624
00:27:06,965 --> 00:27:07,215
that

625
00:27:08,567 --> 00:27:08,817
there's so many different

626
00:27:09,184 --> 00:27:09,434
programs out there from many

627
00:27:10,569 --> 00:27:10,819
different departments and then

628
00:27:12,754 --> 00:27:13,004
there's so many other external

629
00:27:14,523 --> 00:27:14,773
programs also but there is no

630
00:27:16,541 --> 00:27:16,791
nice central database we're

631
00:27:18,543 --> 00:27:18,793
building that for our members

632
00:27:19,127 --> 00:27:19,377
right now but it's obviously

633
00:27:20,529 --> 00:27:20,779
open to the public and it's

634
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:22,530
designed to be a public resource

635
00:27:24,983 --> 00:27:25,233
that's our small foray into

636
00:27:26,501 --> 00:27:26,751
trying to fix this problem to

637
00:27:27,085 --> 00:27:27,335
make

638
00:27:28,987 --> 00:27:29,237
all the information kind of more

639
00:27:30,472 --> 00:27:30,722
in one place so people can find

640
00:27:31,139 --> 00:27:31,389
it

641
00:27:34,776 --> 00:27:35,026
thank you so much any other

642
00:27:38,563 --> 00:27:38,813
questions Senator buxton sure

643
00:27:40,565 --> 00:27:40,815
appreciated the presentation

644
00:27:41,199 --> 00:27:41,449
the information and those types

645
00:27:41,883 --> 00:27:42,133
of things and

646
00:27:44,286 --> 00:27:44,536
I was at a function last night

647
00:27:46,521 --> 00:27:46,771
the realty transferred taxes it

648
00:27:47,172 --> 00:27:47,422
is easy to be celebrated

649
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:50,809
but it is certainly not that

650
00:27:51,226 --> 00:27:51,476
easy to implement it's

651
00:27:54,780 --> 00:27:55,030
some million dollar hole in the

652
00:27:55,447 --> 00:27:55,697
budget which I'm in favor of

653
00:27:58,817 --> 00:27:59,067
I'm absolutely in favor of but

654
00:28:00,335 --> 00:28:00,585
in order to do that you're going

655
00:28:02,287 --> 00:28:02,537
to have to look at some serious

656
00:28:04,539 --> 00:28:04,789
decisions about what are we not

657
00:28:07,025 --> 00:28:07,275
going to to spend fund or expand

658
00:28:08,510 --> 00:28:08,760
or where we going to get the

659
00:28:10,362 --> 00:28:10,612
dollars from see just you really

660
00:28:11,113 --> 00:28:11,363
have to you can't it's not that

661
00:28:13,115 --> 00:28:13,365
simple to just say cla it back

662
00:28:16,601 --> 00:28:16,851
to3% right but if somebody sends

663
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,570
a bill out my way that has that

664
00:28:18,987 --> 00:28:19,237
I am all in

665
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:21,289
right so don't don't get it

666
00:28:22,791 --> 00:28:23,041
twisted but I really want if

667
00:28:23,408 --> 00:28:23,658
we're gonna go down that road

668
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:24,809
let's have these real

669
00:28:26,578 --> 00:28:26,828
conversations about how we do

670
00:28:27,212 --> 00:28:27,462
that. I think there's other

671
00:28:27,762 --> 00:28:28,012
avenues

672
00:28:30,532 --> 00:28:30,782
if the pure intent the goal is

673
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:34,569
the initial homeownership from

674
00:28:34,953 --> 00:28:35,203
first time home buyers

675
00:28:38,256 --> 00:28:38,506
let's really go all in let's not

676
00:28:39,207 --> 00:28:39,457
nickel and dimonmon at a half%

677
00:28:40,959 --> 00:28:41,209
let's not nickel and dime it it

678
00:28:42,511 --> 00:28:42,761
capping it at2000 let's

679
00:28:45,263 --> 00:28:45,513
let's have the state go all in

680
00:28:45,964 --> 00:28:46,214
when it comes to

681
00:28:48,767 --> 00:28:49,017
you know supporting home

682
00:28:50,535 --> 00:28:50,785
ownership for the first time

683
00:28:52,487 --> 00:28:52,737
homeowners so and I know there's

684
00:28:54,289 --> 00:28:54,539
some language out there in bills

685
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,290
I was the sponsor of one

686
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:58,560
but I really think that that

687
00:28:59,277 --> 00:28:59,527
it's a very popular thing to say

688
00:29:00,545 --> 00:29:00,795
I think it's an impactful and

689
00:29:02,564 --> 00:29:02,814
important thing to say what I

690
00:29:04,299 --> 00:29:04,549
think we need to do is take a

691
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:05,283
couple of the decision makers

692
00:29:06,785 --> 00:29:07,035
that are in control the majority

693
00:29:08,753 --> 00:29:09,003
party and come down and come in

694
00:29:10,555 --> 00:29:10,805
with something very concrete

695
00:29:11,273 --> 00:29:11,523
that we can do next year

696
00:29:12,991 --> 00:29:13,241
specific to first timers but I

697
00:29:14,726 --> 00:29:14,976
will say this and this is

698
00:29:15,293 --> 00:29:15,543
important

699
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:18,580
cause I'm having this

700
00:29:18,780 --> 00:29:19,030
conversation with my son

701
00:29:22,534 --> 00:29:22,784
and'm I'm a realtor so a realtor

702
00:29:24,553 --> 00:29:24,803
so I you know have people reach

703
00:29:26,271 --> 00:29:26,521
out to me how can you get my my

704
00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:28,540
child started and what I tell

705
00:29:30,325 --> 00:29:30,575
him is this think of it the same

706
00:29:30,976 --> 00:29:31,226
way we thought of degrees back

707
00:29:31,626 --> 00:29:31,876
in the day

708
00:29:34,512 --> 00:29:34,762
right where degrees where the

709
00:29:35,180 --> 00:29:35,430
end all to be

710
00:29:37,015 --> 00:29:37,265
if the market and the home that

711
00:29:38,783 --> 00:29:39,033
you're looking to get and the

712
00:29:40,368 --> 00:29:40,618
numbers that they produce when

713
00:29:41,019 --> 00:29:41,269
you buy

714
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:41,519
don't add up

715
00:29:46,308 --> 00:29:46,558
then it is better to look at a a

716
00:29:46,975 --> 00:29:47,225
rental situation

717
00:29:50,512 --> 00:29:50,762
as long as you're taking the

718
00:29:51,213 --> 00:29:51,463
money if there is a savings to

719
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:52,130
be had

720
00:29:52,898 --> 00:29:53,148
and invest in it

721
00:29:56,801 --> 00:29:57,051
the same way you do when you

722
00:29:58,753 --> 00:29:59,003
make a mortgage payment it

723
00:30:00,822 --> 00:30:01,072
typically comes back in an

724
00:30:02,757 --> 00:30:03,007
investment down the road because

725
00:30:03,441 --> 00:30:03,691
there's value in the home

726
00:30:07,012 --> 00:30:07,262
if you are in a rental situation

727
00:30:08,330 --> 00:30:08,580
where you can convince a young

728
00:30:08,997 --> 00:30:09,247
renter

729
00:30:10,865 --> 00:30:11,115
to invest in a market of sorts

730
00:30:15,003 --> 00:30:15,253
then you're not then you do have

731
00:30:18,273 --> 00:30:18,523
thatho that that income that

732
00:30:19,224 --> 00:30:19,474
household wealth that individual

733
00:30:22,527 --> 00:30:22,777
wealth that we talk about so I

734
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:24,779
just really literally real

735
00:30:25,096 --> 00:30:25,346
conversations that I'm having

736
00:30:26,781 --> 00:30:27,031
with my son he's looking out

737
00:30:27,449 --> 00:30:27,699
there and trying to find a home

738
00:30:30,585 --> 00:30:30,835
to purchase and get started and

739
00:30:31,219 --> 00:30:31,469
when again I'm saying is

740
00:30:35,006 --> 00:30:35,256
if you're if you end up in a h

741
00:30:36,508 --> 00:30:36,758
he thinks your dream home and

742
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,010
you're paying3600 dollars a

743
00:30:40,345 --> 00:30:40,595
month on a home that you have

744
00:30:42,564 --> 00:30:42,814
paid top dollar for that's not

745
00:30:43,231 --> 00:30:43,481
just be careful

746
00:30:46,318 --> 00:30:46,568
anyway so good conversation we

747
00:30:46,968 --> 00:30:47,218
had

748
00:30:50,338 --> 00:30:50,588
Senator Hfner

749
00:30:53,058 --> 00:30:53,308
thank you thank you for coming

750
00:30:55,060 --> 00:30:55,310
in today I hope you're enjoying

751
00:30:57,045 --> 00:30:57,295
your summer a a little bit so

752
00:30:59,047 --> 00:30:59,297
I'm excited about the pathways

753
00:31:02,284 --> 00:31:02,534
to keys website and how would

754
00:31:04,302 --> 00:31:04,552
that work with neighborhood good

755
00:31:05,053 --> 00:31:05,303
because you know over the years

756
00:31:06,788 --> 00:31:07,038
they've tried to do financial

757
00:31:08,790 --> 00:31:09,040
literacy to help people get into

758
00:31:10,608 --> 00:31:10,858
homes could it be like a

759
00:31:12,544 --> 00:31:12,794
combination type of thing yeah

760
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:14,529
so what we've discovered is

761
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:15,280
there are plenty of programs out

762
00:31:16,614 --> 00:31:16,864
there there's no lack of

763
00:31:17,115 --> 00:31:17,365
financial literacy programs for

764
00:31:19,117 --> 00:31:19,367
sure especially in delaware

765
00:31:20,385 --> 00:31:20,635
there's also many different

766
00:31:20,935 --> 00:31:21,185
programs that just operate

767
00:31:24,556 --> 00:31:24,806
as financial literacy schools if

768
00:31:25,256 --> 00:31:25,506
you will the state

769
00:31:26,791 --> 00:31:27,041
treasurer's office also has a

770
00:31:28,293 --> 00:31:28,543
great website that has a lot of

771
00:31:30,295 --> 00:31:30,545
resources. Our goal with this is

772
00:31:31,046 --> 00:31:31,296
to kind of consolidate it all in

773
00:31:33,314 --> 00:31:33,564
one place is kind of a navigator

774
00:31:36,351 --> 00:31:36,601
the path the pathway to try

775
00:31:36,885 --> 00:31:37,135
to figure out you know

776
00:31:39,020 --> 00:31:39,270
where someone fits in and then

777
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:41,289
find the resources that already

778
00:31:43,291 --> 00:31:43,541
exist all we're doing is

779
00:31:44,809 --> 00:31:45,059
redirecting them and hopefully

780
00:31:46,795 --> 00:31:47,045
at the end of it they're

781
00:31:48,346 --> 00:31:48,596
working with a realtor that can

782
00:31:49,014 --> 00:31:49,264
help them through the rest of

783
00:31:49,681 --> 00:31:49,931
the process

784
00:31:50,832 --> 00:31:51,082
oh sorry

785
00:31:53,034 --> 00:31:53,284
did this idea like when we

786
00:31:55,020 --> 00:31:55,270
started this last year did that

787
00:31:56,771 --> 00:31:57,021
idea come out of that or you

788
00:31:58,289 --> 00:31:58,539
were already working on it yeah

789
00:31:59,074 --> 00:31:59,324
we were already working on it

790
00:32:01,076 --> 00:32:01,326
and was it very costly to get

791
00:32:02,494 --> 00:32:02,744
this website up and running

792
00:32:08,299 --> 00:32:08,549
not at all it's funny you

793
00:32:10,318 --> 00:32:10,568
know we talked about ai AI is

794
00:32:10,952 --> 00:32:11,202
definitely helping a lot with a

795
00:32:12,287 --> 00:32:12,537
lot of different things like

796
00:32:14,556 --> 00:32:14,806
this and now it doesn't cost

797
00:32:16,508 --> 00:32:16,758
that much it's just verification

798
00:32:18,843 --> 00:32:19,093
of information is the biggest

799
00:32:20,829 --> 00:32:21,079
time commitment to the project

800
00:32:22,831 --> 00:32:23,081
so that has to be done that is

801
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:24,799
obviously costly in some ways

802
00:32:26,551 --> 00:32:26,801
but not developing a website

803
00:32:28,770 --> 00:32:29,020
anymore. OK so and then also the

804
00:32:29,521 --> 00:32:29,771
last part of

805
00:32:32,557 --> 00:32:32,807
we do have a lot of realtors so

806
00:32:33,241 --> 00:32:33,491
they're you marketing piece

807
00:32:33,792 --> 00:32:34,042
they're going out and meeting

808
00:32:36,778 --> 00:32:37,028
people and saying hey go go to

809
00:32:38,797 --> 00:32:39,047
this website and look to see

810
00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:41,316
where you're going to fall in

811
00:32:44,302 --> 00:32:44,552
are you going to do any other

812
00:32:45,036 --> 00:32:45,286
marketing piece to let people

813
00:32:46,504 --> 00:32:46,754
know this is out there

814
00:32:50,542 --> 00:32:50,792
it's not launched officially I

815
00:32:51,159 --> 00:32:51,409
wanted to share it with all of

816
00:32:53,027 --> 00:32:53,277
you but we're going to do a big

817
00:32:54,295 --> 00:32:54,545
marketing push around that

818
00:32:56,264 --> 00:32:56,514
website so people know where to

819
00:32:56,915 --> 00:32:57,165
go

820
00:33:00,435 --> 00:33:00,685
deputy secretary

821
00:33:04,823 --> 00:33:05,073
I felt like I wasn't going to

822
00:33:07,008 --> 00:33:07,258
talk this round but then a

823
00:33:09,027 --> 00:33:09,277
couple of questions so

824
00:33:10,578 --> 00:33:10,828
understanding what you said that

825
00:33:12,797 --> 00:33:13,047
delawareringers are outpriced or

826
00:33:14,566 --> 00:33:14,816
and then you talked about the

827
00:33:18,303 --> 00:33:18,553
real t transfer tax at4%

828
00:33:20,338 --> 00:33:20,588
a400,000 dollars home with the

829
00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:22,790
median income of delawareans

830
00:33:26,327 --> 00:33:26,577
is that on on par for with the

831
00:33:26,995 --> 00:33:27,245
medium income is

832
00:33:30,532 --> 00:33:30,782
so is it100,000 dollars

833
00:33:32,300 --> 00:33:32,550
for400,000 dollars home how much

834
00:33:34,269 --> 00:33:34,519
do you have to make or is are

835
00:33:35,069 --> 00:33:35,319
you saying that the realty

836
00:33:38,273 --> 00:33:38,523
transfer tax at4%16,000 dollars

837
00:33:40,291 --> 00:33:40,541
is what's out pricing

838
00:33:40,758 --> 00:33:41,008
delawareans just so I'm clear

839
00:33:46,264 --> 00:33:46,514
it's part of it for sure you

840
00:33:47,048 --> 00:33:47,298
have to have that cash at

841
00:33:49,033 --> 00:33:49,283
closing at settlement so you

842
00:33:49,617 --> 00:33:49,867
have to already be saving for it

843
00:33:54,556 --> 00:33:54,806
to get to that point you know

844
00:33:55,123 --> 00:33:55,373
you have to consider that

845
00:33:57,025 --> 00:33:57,275
everything else it costs to have

846
00:33:59,027 --> 00:33:59,277
property have a home too

847
00:34:00,562 --> 00:34:00,812
insurance rates are going

848
00:34:02,730 --> 00:34:02,980
through the roof across the

849
00:34:04,265 --> 00:34:04,515
state across the country

850
00:34:04,849 --> 00:34:05,099
everything else with local

851
00:34:06,317 --> 00:34:06,567
taxation right now is a big

852
00:34:07,051 --> 00:34:07,301
discussion so I'm not sure I'm

853
00:34:07,685 --> 00:34:07,935
answering your question but

854
00:34:10,839 --> 00:34:11,089
guess what other fact when I

855
00:34:11,506 --> 00:34:11,756
heard the median

856
00:34:14,742 --> 00:34:14,992
price for a home is41ine as

857
00:34:16,261 --> 00:34:16,511
thought about all the

858
00:34:17,011 --> 00:34:17,261
delawarenes that will never be

859
00:34:18,997 --> 00:34:19,247
able to hit that mark for where

860
00:34:20,798 --> 00:34:21,048
they are right now and what

861
00:34:22,534 --> 00:34:22,784
other tools we're trying to

862
00:34:24,502 --> 00:34:24,752
bring into the toolbox to get

863
00:34:26,521 --> 00:34:26,771
them to be able to even afford

864
00:34:28,957 --> 00:34:29,207
to be in that that sandbox to

865
00:34:30,575 --> 00:34:30,825
think about a400,000 dollars

866
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:32,543
house what does that what does

867
00:34:34,562 --> 00:34:34,812
the universe look like in in the

868
00:34:36,297 --> 00:34:36,547
state's inventory if that's the

869
00:34:37,048 --> 00:34:37,298
median there are a lot of

870
00:34:38,533 --> 00:34:38,783
delawareans that will never be

871
00:34:40,802 --> 00:34:41,052
able to qualify for400,000

872
00:34:41,336 --> 00:34:41,586
dollars home that's not their

873
00:34:41,986 --> 00:34:42,236
reality and

874
00:34:44,756 --> 00:34:45,006
so what does that lower price

875
00:34:46,541 --> 00:34:46,791
point look like so that we can

876
00:34:47,258 --> 00:34:47,508
get more delawareans into home

877
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:49,260
ownership yeah I can't say I can

878
00:34:50,545 --> 00:34:50,795
sit here right now and answer

879
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:53,030
that it would just depend

880
00:34:54,516 --> 00:34:54,766
everyone's backgrounds

881
00:34:56,768 --> 00:34:57,018
everyone's needs and wants

882
00:34:58,286 --> 00:34:58,536
are going to be different I

883
00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:59,220
don't I can't sit here and give

884
00:35:00,588 --> 00:35:00,838
you a number for across the

885
00:35:02,524 --> 00:35:02,774
board it's something we can work

886
00:35:03,224 --> 00:35:03,474
on and gathering more

887
00:35:04,626 --> 00:35:04,876
information for sure but I can't

888
00:35:05,276 --> 00:35:05,526
do that right now

889
00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:08,563
p re s ent ative s mi th

890
00:35:13,218 --> 00:35:13,468
thank you madam chair just a few

891
00:35:14,536 --> 00:35:14,786
things to kind of level set us

892
00:35:16,304 --> 00:35:16,554
like one don't forget the

893
00:35:18,506 --> 00:35:18,756
competition for delawareans are

894
00:35:20,558 --> 00:35:20,808
people from New Jersey and

895
00:35:22,277 --> 00:35:22,527
Pennsylvania and others that

896
00:35:24,512 --> 00:35:24,762
have no problem paying any tax

897
00:35:25,213 --> 00:35:25,463
because they've just been paying

898
00:35:26,781 --> 00:35:27,031
double or triple that tax ever

899
00:35:30,318 --> 00:35:30,568
since while while simultaneously

900
00:35:32,287 --> 00:35:32,537
forcing a lot of delawareans to

901
00:35:34,756 --> 00:35:35,006
now pay higher tax after

902
00:35:36,724 --> 00:35:36,974
reassessment just to talk about

903
00:35:38,810 --> 00:35:39,060
like myself and others right we

904
00:35:40,345 --> 00:35:40,595
we we buy houses we try to you

905
00:35:40,995 --> 00:35:41,245
know

906
00:35:43,047 --> 00:35:43,297
have a place to establish our

907
00:35:44,966 --> 00:35:45,216
families our kids my personal

908
00:35:47,035 --> 00:35:47,285
mortgage has gone up over $800 a

909
00:35:49,020 --> 00:35:49,270
month afterristina took the

910
00:35:52,540 --> 00:35:52,790
additional10% insurance rates

911
00:35:54,292 --> 00:35:54,542
through the roof but the reason

912
00:35:55,226 --> 00:35:55,476
why the realty transfer tax is

913
00:35:56,561 --> 00:35:56,811
important for that is that is

914
00:35:58,780 --> 00:35:59,030
cash I have to have at closing

915
00:36:00,582 --> 00:36:00,832
so if you don't have a family

916
00:36:02,533 --> 00:36:02,783
member if you don't have that

917
00:36:04,302 --> 00:36:04,552
money on you and you don't have

918
00:36:05,019 --> 00:36:05,269
a family member that can gift

919
00:36:06,771 --> 00:36:07,021
that to you or you can't get a

920
00:36:08,306 --> 00:36:08,556
loan which then you're taking

921
00:36:10,341 --> 00:36:10,591
another loan out on a loan that

922
00:36:11,009 --> 00:36:11,259
you're about to take right

923
00:36:13,244 --> 00:36:13,494
you're already pricing yourself

924
00:36:14,996 --> 00:36:15,246
out of the market completely so

925
00:36:16,998 --> 00:36:17,248
there's very few things we're

926
00:36:19,017 --> 00:36:19,267
going to tangibly be able to do

927
00:36:21,002 --> 00:36:21,252
in this process in order to do

928
00:36:22,487 --> 00:36:22,737
that because of the way the

929
00:36:24,505 --> 00:36:24,755
market is from national force

930
00:36:26,758 --> 00:36:27,008
perspective when it comes to the

931
00:36:28,776 --> 00:36:29,026
insurance side the interest

932
00:36:32,297 --> 00:36:32,547
rate side I mean I will never

933
00:36:34,299 --> 00:36:34,549
redo my interest rate at this

934
00:36:35,049 --> 00:36:35,299
point because I got it during C

935
00:36:38,519 --> 00:36:38,769
coID when it was the smallest

936
00:36:40,288 --> 00:36:40,538
almost ever right and the same

937
00:36:40,955 --> 00:36:41,205
point

938
00:36:42,774 --> 00:36:43,024
to the rental side of it

939
00:36:46,544 --> 00:36:46,794
rentals are going up for

940
00:36:48,296 --> 00:36:48,546
delawareans that can't afford to

941
00:36:50,598 --> 00:36:50,848
buy homes either because a lot

942
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:53,050
of people we like to go after

943
00:36:54,786 --> 00:36:55,036
kind of a large renter meaning

944
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:56,520
they have multiple rentals

945
00:36:58,556 --> 00:36:58,806
like10 or more20 or more the

946
00:37:00,325 --> 00:37:00,575
problem is we also have a ton of

947
00:37:01,075 --> 00:37:01,325
people in our state that have

948
00:37:04,529 --> 00:37:04,779
one or two generally one because

949
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:06,530
they're trying to keep it to

950
00:37:07,031 --> 00:37:07,281
provide for a loved one or

951
00:37:08,816 --> 00:37:09,066
somebody later in their life

952
00:37:10,835 --> 00:37:11,085
where they had to raise the rent

953
00:37:12,754 --> 00:37:13,004
on their rental for that renter

954
00:37:13,421 --> 00:37:13,671
because

955
00:37:16,507 --> 00:37:16,757
their price went up on their

956
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,010
mortgage to provide it and so

957
00:37:20,278 --> 00:37:20,528
they're not making money off of

958
00:37:20,995 --> 00:37:21,245
that they have to raise it

959
00:37:22,980 --> 00:37:23,230
because their taxes their

960
00:37:24,515 --> 00:37:24,765
insurance and everything have

961
00:37:25,233 --> 00:37:25,483
gone up so we're also going to

962
00:37:26,784 --> 00:37:27,034
have that other issue with those

963
00:37:28,302 --> 00:37:28,552
types of people are going to

964
00:37:30,271 --> 00:37:30,521
sell cause they don't want to

965
00:37:31,005 --> 00:37:31,255
have to deal with the renter

966
00:37:32,774 --> 00:37:33,024
that has more rights than they

967
00:37:36,527 --> 00:37:36,777
do in order to get out of that

968
00:37:37,228 --> 00:37:37,478
market which is going to create

969
00:37:38,813 --> 00:37:39,063
another housing crisis as well

970
00:37:40,565 --> 00:37:40,815
so I just want to make sure we

971
00:37:42,316 --> 00:37:42,566
level set on all of those things

972
00:37:42,967 --> 00:37:43,217
because that's important when we

973
00:37:43,634 --> 00:37:43,884
think about things

974
00:37:45,002 --> 00:37:45,252
and tangible things that can be

975
00:37:45,687 --> 00:37:45,937
done on our level

976
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:51,359
what is the reason why the

977
00:37:52,493 --> 00:37:52,743
transfer tax can't be rolled

978
00:37:53,161 --> 00:37:53,411
into the mortgage

979
00:37:56,497 --> 00:37:56,747
that's why I was asked this a

980
00:37:58,266 --> 00:37:58,516
couple of months ago and now

981
00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:59,100
they gave a better answer that

982
00:38:00,802 --> 00:38:01,052
I'm about to give the banks

983
00:38:02,537 --> 00:38:02,787
just won't do it it's that

984
00:38:04,989 --> 00:38:05,239
simple it's a risk already

985
00:38:06,541 --> 00:38:06,791
they have an asset they can take

986
00:38:07,175 --> 00:38:07,425
with the property they can't do

987
00:38:07,842 --> 00:38:08,092
that with the taxes

988
00:38:13,014 --> 00:38:13,264
senator buxton

989
00:38:16,284 --> 00:38:16,534
that's in a nutshell right there

990
00:38:17,051 --> 00:38:17,301
they're basing a loan on the

991
00:38:18,820 --> 00:38:19,070
value of the home the taxes is

992
00:38:19,504 --> 00:38:19,754
separate but

993
00:38:24,325 --> 00:38:24,575
it's an interesting relationship

994
00:38:25,009 --> 00:38:25,259
because I know we're not into

995
00:38:25,676 --> 00:38:25,926
this space

996
00:38:27,028 --> 00:38:27,278
but when you talk about

997
00:38:28,796 --> 00:38:29,046
affordable housing when you talk

998
00:38:30,548 --> 00:38:30,798
about government intervention

999
00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:32,750
and renting there's a direct

1000
00:38:34,502 --> 00:38:34,752
causation relationship between

1001
00:38:36,971 --> 00:38:37,221
state rental vouchers federal

1002
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:39,040
rental vouchers and the

1003
00:38:40,808 --> 00:38:41,058
competition it creates in the

1004
00:38:42,527 --> 00:38:42,777
market that it sets when it

1005
00:38:44,545 --> 00:38:44,795
comes to rental units in the

1006
00:38:46,764 --> 00:38:47,014
private sector that was just

1007
00:38:48,549 --> 00:38:48,799
dealing with a client just the

1008
00:38:50,368 --> 00:38:50,618
other day ine unit property all

1009
00:38:51,035 --> 00:38:51,285
of them

1010
00:38:54,288 --> 00:38:54,538
not all of them e of the ine are

1011
00:38:57,275 --> 00:38:57,525
backed by government vouchers

1012
00:38:57,942 --> 00:38:58,192
and

1013
00:39:01,028 --> 00:39:01,278
he was talking about the current

1014
00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:03,030
owner was talking about this the

1015
00:39:04,549 --> 00:39:04,799
market the number that I'm

1016
00:39:05,082 --> 00:39:05,332
charging is higher than the

1017
00:39:05,633 --> 00:39:05,883
actual market would be

1018
00:39:08,986 --> 00:39:09,236
because of the guaranteed number

1019
00:39:10,588 --> 00:39:10,838
that the government's presenting

1020
00:39:12,523 --> 00:39:12,773
so it's an interesting challenge

1021
00:39:14,275 --> 00:39:14,525
that we have because we want

1022
00:39:16,544 --> 00:39:16,794
folks to get it but when we do

1023
00:39:18,279 --> 00:39:18,529
that we then the person that

1024
00:39:20,331 --> 00:39:20,581
doesn't qualify for this has to

1025
00:39:22,300 --> 00:39:22,550
pay more so it's worthy of a

1026
00:39:24,352 --> 00:39:24,602
conversation to be had I want to

1027
00:39:25,019 --> 00:39:25,269
say this

1028
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:25,770
delaware is unique

1029
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:29,490
that400ousand dollars number

1030
00:39:34,278 --> 00:39:34,528
is an accurate number but you

1031
00:39:36,314 --> 00:39:36,564
have to unpack it because of

1032
00:39:38,566 --> 00:39:38,816
what you said you have folks

1033
00:39:40,785 --> 00:39:41,035
coming down paying cash having

1034
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:42,970
the affordability problem not be

1035
00:39:44,772 --> 00:39:45,022
theirs that's why you don't see

1036
00:39:46,991 --> 00:39:47,241
gross stopping you would expect

1037
00:39:48,743 --> 00:39:48,993
it to stop when we moved to a4%

1038
00:39:51,095 --> 00:39:51,345
the argument was it was going to

1039
00:39:51,762 --> 00:39:52,012
shut down development

1040
00:39:53,347 --> 00:39:53,597
le ar ly that didn't happen

1041
00:39:56,984 --> 00:39:57,234
so the fear factor of shutting

1042
00:39:58,753 --> 00:39:59,003
it down isn't there because you

1043
00:40:01,022 --> 00:40:01,272
have retirees coming in fueling

1044
00:40:02,990 --> 00:40:03,240
the market but what is under

1045
00:40:04,759 --> 00:40:05,009
that are people in delaware that

1046
00:40:06,994 --> 00:40:07,244
can't afford the market now and

1047
00:40:10,331 --> 00:40:10,581
so how do you fix it and and

1048
00:40:10,998 --> 00:40:11,248
I really think that getting

1049
00:40:11,566 --> 00:40:11,816
after it with the

1050
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:14,769
you know the first time

1051
00:40:15,219 --> 00:40:15,469
homebuyers especially is really

1052
00:40:15,887 --> 00:40:16,137
key

1053
00:40:18,756 --> 00:40:19,006
making sure that folks are

1054
00:40:20,975 --> 00:40:21,225
educated when it means to rent

1055
00:40:23,010 --> 00:40:23,260
and setting up other means of

1056
00:40:24,779 --> 00:40:25,029
building wealth until they're

1057
00:40:27,048 --> 00:40:27,298
ready sometimes that wealth is

1058
00:40:30,318 --> 00:40:30,568
developing a savings account so

1059
00:40:32,286 --> 00:40:32,536
that they have a higher down

1060
00:40:34,288 --> 00:40:34,538
payment that includes a pmI

1061
00:40:36,507 --> 00:40:36,757
payoff20% these are all valuable

1062
00:40:38,593 --> 00:40:38,843
things that a renter can

1063
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,410
actually get to

1064
00:40:42,513 --> 00:40:42,763
so that when it's right when the

1065
00:40:44,315 --> 00:40:44,565
time is right they're in a home

1066
00:40:44,982 --> 00:40:45,232
that they want

1067
00:40:46,484 --> 00:40:46,734
that they can then build

1068
00:40:48,786 --> 00:40:49,036
an investment on because it

1069
00:40:49,337 --> 00:40:49,587
takes a while

1070
00:40:51,188 --> 00:40:51,438
to get to but that's education

1071
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:52,740
so

1072
00:40:54,575 --> 00:40:54,825
anyway thank you

1073
00:41:02,483 --> 00:41:02,733
so and speaking about the

1074
00:41:03,034 --> 00:41:03,284
delaware

1075
00:41:06,270 --> 00:41:06,520
that I've referred to sometimes

1076
00:41:06,921 --> 00:41:07,171
the delaware market rate right

1077
00:41:10,775 --> 00:41:11,025
there I have had conversations

1078
00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:12,760
with property owners some some

1079
00:41:14,295 --> 00:41:14,545
realtors around what it would

1080
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:16,530
look like to have like a cost

1081
00:41:18,783 --> 00:41:19,033
disclosure again if if if costs

1082
00:41:20,801 --> 00:41:21,051
for the owner is going up and

1083
00:41:22,286 --> 00:41:22,536
we're saying hey it's unfair

1084
00:41:23,037 --> 00:41:23,287
people are raising their prices

1085
00:41:25,006 --> 00:41:25,256
too high and there needs to be a

1086
00:41:28,292 --> 00:41:28,542
cap right but then we hear from

1087
00:41:29,010 --> 00:41:29,260
the owners we we can't afford a

1088
00:41:30,795 --> 00:41:31,045
cat because our prices are going

1089
00:41:32,763 --> 00:41:33,013
up but then when we talk about

1090
00:41:34,548 --> 00:41:34,798
well how do we figure out a

1091
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:36,550
delaware market rate and have a

1092
00:41:38,302 --> 00:41:38,552
space where you disclose what

1093
00:41:38,986 --> 00:41:39,236
your costs are to show

1094
00:41:40,521 --> 00:41:40,771
that you're not just gouging

1095
00:41:42,506 --> 00:41:42,756
folks people don't want that

1096
00:41:44,508 --> 00:41:44,758
either and so like I I don't

1097
00:41:45,126 --> 00:41:45,376
know I'm not putting you on the

1098
00:41:46,744 --> 00:41:46,994
spot to have that answer but I

1099
00:41:48,496 --> 00:41:48,746
do just want to throw out there

1100
00:41:50,298 --> 00:41:50,548
that there is that space of

1101
00:41:51,265 --> 00:41:51,515
trying to strike that balance

1102
00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:53,300
knowing where you know how do we

1103
00:41:54,785 --> 00:41:55,035
make sure we're protecting the

1104
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:56,770
property owner as well as the

1105
00:41:58,272 --> 00:41:58,522
person who is renting or

1106
00:42:00,574 --> 00:42:00,824
eventually going to own how

1107
00:42:02,276 --> 00:42:02,526
do we make it so that it's

1108
00:42:04,312 --> 00:42:04,562
actually delawareans dri driving

1109
00:42:05,012 --> 00:42:05,262
up the costs and not

1110
00:42:06,797 --> 00:42:07,047
corporations buying singlefamily

1111
00:42:08,299 --> 00:42:08,549
homes or people coming from out

1112
00:42:08,966 --> 00:42:09,216
of state

1113
00:42:12,303 --> 00:42:12,553
purchasing homes as rental

1114
00:42:14,288 --> 00:42:14,538
properties and not actually

1115
00:42:16,507 --> 00:42:16,757
intending to live here you know

1116
00:42:18,509 --> 00:42:18,759
what are the s where are the

1117
00:42:19,110 --> 00:42:19,360
spaces where we can create that

1118
00:42:20,494 --> 00:42:20,744
balance is something that I

1119
00:42:21,245 --> 00:42:21,495
think is important kind of

1120
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:23,280
outside the purview of this task

1121
00:42:25,016 --> 00:42:25,266
force but definitely things

1122
00:42:26,817 --> 00:42:27,067
that we should be attacking and

1123
00:42:27,451 --> 00:42:27,701
and appreciate you bringing

1124
00:42:28,002 --> 00:42:28,252
that forward

1125
00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:31,522
any other questions just good

1126
00:42:32,974 --> 00:42:33,224
conversations for September3rd

1127
00:42:34,975 --> 00:42:35,225
all right thank you so much

1128
00:42:44,301 --> 00:42:44,551
next up we oh

1129
00:43:05,006 --> 00:43:05,256
I thought we were upstairs and

1130
00:43:07,291 --> 00:43:07,541
we were kind of chill upstairs

1131
00:43:14,782 --> 00:43:15,032
moving on to the next agenda

1132
00:43:17,034 --> 00:43:17,284
item housing alliance delaware

1133
00:43:22,289 --> 00:43:22,539
and again fifteenin presentation

1134
00:43:22,957 --> 00:43:23,207
followed by a question and

1135
00:43:23,507 --> 00:43:23,757
answer

1136
00:43:28,829 --> 00:43:29,079
Good morning

1137
00:43:32,583 --> 00:43:32,833
the looks like a person there

1138
00:43:34,802 --> 00:43:35,052
you go your name and position

1139
00:43:36,537 --> 00:43:36,787
for the record please thank you

1140
00:43:38,289 --> 00:43:38,539
for having me my name is Rachel

1141
00:43:38,923 --> 00:43:39,173
Stucker I'm the director of

1142
00:43:41,158 --> 00:43:41,408
Housing alliance Delaware we are

1143
00:43:43,144 --> 00:43:43,394
a statewide nonprofit

1144
00:43:46,630 --> 00:43:46,880
organization that works to

1145
00:43:48,282 --> 00:43:48,532
address the issues of affordable

1146
00:43:49,483 --> 00:43:49,733
housing and homelessness I

1147
00:43:50,034 --> 00:43:50,284
appreciate the opportunity to

1148
00:43:50,701 --> 00:43:50,951
come in

1149
00:43:52,837 --> 00:43:53,087
talk with you all today. I

1150
00:43:54,555 --> 00:43:54,805
really focused my presentation

1151
00:43:55,189 --> 00:43:55,439
around a lot of the questions

1152
00:43:56,807 --> 00:43:57,057
that were asked just about who

1153
00:43:58,542 --> 00:43:58,792
we are and what we do and who we

1154
00:43:59,310 --> 00:43:59,560
work with and how we partner

1155
00:43:59,977 --> 00:44:00,227
with folks in the community

1156
00:44:02,830 --> 00:44:03,080
but if you'd like um'm happy

1157
00:44:04,799 --> 00:44:05,049
to weigh in on price gouging and

1158
00:44:06,817 --> 00:44:07,067
other legislative issues if

1159
00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:09,320
you'd like my opinions on those

1160
00:44:12,556 --> 00:44:12,806
things as well so I'll just

1161
00:44:13,174 --> 00:44:13,424
start by talking about who we

1162
00:44:14,542 --> 00:44:14,792
are as I said we're statewide

1163
00:44:16,811 --> 00:44:17,061
we're fairly small we are

1164
00:44:19,029 --> 00:44:19,279
about14 full-time staff.alf of

1165
00:44:20,881 --> 00:44:21,131
those staff members are working

1166
00:44:22,533 --> 00:44:22,783
in the homeless helpline program

1167
00:44:23,267 --> 00:44:23,517
which I'll talk about

1168
00:44:26,537 --> 00:44:26,787
and we were actually formed

1169
00:44:28,823 --> 00:44:29,073
in2016 as a result of the

1170
00:44:30,624 --> 00:44:30,874
merging of two existing

1171
00:44:33,110 --> 00:44:33,360
nonprofit organizations prior

1172
00:44:35,096 --> 00:44:35,346
to201ix some of you may be

1173
00:44:36,313 --> 00:44:36,563
familiar with the

1174
00:44:36,881 --> 00:44:37,131
homemelesslanning co.

1175
00:44:40,317 --> 00:44:40,567
it was created specifically

1176
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:42,569
to address homelessness and in

1177
00:44:42,953 --> 00:44:43,203
response to the way that the

1178
00:44:44,538 --> 00:44:44,788
federal government had

1179
00:44:44,972 --> 00:44:45,222
structured how it

1180
00:44:48,542 --> 00:44:48,792
gives funding to local

1181
00:44:50,544 --> 00:44:50,794
communities for homelessness so

1182
00:44:52,546 --> 00:44:52,796
it was created to respond to the

1183
00:44:54,815 --> 00:44:55,065
federal government's funding

1184
00:44:56,801 --> 00:44:57,051
structure to create a local

1185
00:44:58,302 --> 00:44:58,552
structure through which that

1186
00:44:59,303 --> 00:44:59,553
funding could come to delaware

1187
00:45:00,855 --> 00:45:01,105
so it was very specific and

1188
00:45:04,575 --> 00:45:04,825
focused on on that task. The

1189
00:45:06,527 --> 00:45:06,777
other nonprofit organization

1190
00:45:07,161 --> 00:45:07,411
that was part of the merger was

1191
00:45:08,546 --> 00:45:08,796
the delawarehousing coalition

1192
00:45:12,316 --> 00:45:12,566
the delawarehousing coalition

1193
00:45:12,917 --> 00:45:13,167
was much more active

1194
00:45:14,768 --> 00:45:15,018
inentonusssex counties than the

1195
00:45:16,554 --> 00:45:16,804
homeless planning co although

1196
00:45:17,221 --> 00:45:17,471
technically the homeless

1197
00:45:18,289 --> 00:45:18,539
planning council was statewide

1198
00:45:21,058 --> 00:45:21,308
and members of those

1199
00:45:23,277 --> 00:45:23,527
boards one of them sits sits

1200
00:45:23,928 --> 00:45:24,178
with us here today

1201
00:45:28,566 --> 00:45:28,816
umrector heckles at the time

1202
00:45:30,367 --> 00:45:30,617
was on the board of the

1203
00:45:30,868 --> 00:45:31,118
homelesslanning co iss that

1204
00:45:32,586 --> 00:45:32,836
correct or was it the coalition

1205
00:45:34,822 --> 00:45:35,072
OK decided that merging the

1206
00:45:36,574 --> 00:45:36,824
two nonprofits would be a good

1207
00:45:38,826 --> 00:45:39,076
idea to bring together thefoable

1208
00:45:40,578 --> 00:45:40,828
housing and homelessness issues

1209
00:45:42,313 --> 00:45:42,563
under in the nonprofit sector

1210
00:45:44,548 --> 00:45:44,798
under one organization which is

1211
00:45:45,249 --> 00:45:45,499
howhousing alliance delaware was

1212
00:45:45,916 --> 00:45:46,166
created

1213
00:45:50,321 --> 00:45:50,571
and so what we've been trying to

1214
00:45:51,071 --> 00:45:51,321
do since2016 I think

1215
00:45:54,491 --> 00:45:54,741
as with a lot of things covid

1216
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:55,409
has made those things a little

1217
00:45:58,562 --> 00:45:58,812
well maybe a little behind where

1218
00:45:59,296 --> 00:45:59,546
where I would have envisioned we

1219
00:46:00,831 --> 00:46:01,081
would be by now but to take

1220
00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:03,100
those two missions of ending

1221
00:46:04,301 --> 00:46:04,551
homelessness and solving the

1222
00:46:04,935 --> 00:46:05,185
affordable housing crisis and

1223
00:46:05,619 --> 00:46:05,869
really

1224
00:46:08,622 --> 00:46:08,872
work on those simultaneously

1225
00:46:09,173 --> 00:46:09,423
together as we know they are

1226
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:10,090
connected

1227
00:46:11,242 --> 00:46:11,492
so

1228
00:46:16,830 --> 00:46:17,080
our primary focus of our work is

1229
00:46:18,282 --> 00:46:18,532
things happening at the state

1230
00:46:19,366 --> 00:46:19,616
level so but we do partner

1231
00:46:21,135 --> 00:46:21,385
with national nonprofit

1232
00:46:22,570 --> 00:46:22,820
organizations and national

1233
00:46:24,338 --> 00:46:24,588
advocacy organizations that are

1234
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:25,289
working to advance affordable

1235
00:46:26,807 --> 00:46:27,057
housing and solve homelessness

1236
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:28,809
like the national lowcomehousing

1237
00:46:29,210 --> 00:46:29,460
coalition and the

1238
00:46:29,643 --> 00:46:29,893
nationalinstand Homelessness

1239
00:46:34,298 --> 00:46:34,548
we operate four core programs.

1240
00:46:34,932 --> 00:46:35,182
I'm going to start with the one

1241
00:46:36,333 --> 00:46:36,583
that's the most confusing just

1242
00:46:38,552 --> 00:46:38,802
to get it out of the way at

1243
00:46:39,136 --> 00:46:39,386
least I think it's the most

1244
00:46:42,289 --> 00:46:42,539
confusing the delaware continuum

1245
00:46:44,275 --> 00:46:44,525
of careregrame. so when you hear

1246
00:46:45,025 --> 00:46:45,275
us use the language delaware

1247
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:46,810
have you guys heard us talk

1248
00:46:47,177 --> 00:46:47,427
about the delaware continuing of

1249
00:46:48,829 --> 00:46:49,079
care you know it OK we could

1250
00:46:51,165 --> 00:46:51,415
be talking about one of three

1251
00:46:53,117 --> 00:46:53,367
different things but they all

1252
00:46:54,835 --> 00:46:55,085
kind of mean the same thing so

1253
00:46:56,570 --> 00:46:56,820
the delaware continuum of care

1254
00:46:58,322 --> 00:46:58,572
is a membership group that

1255
00:46:58,906 --> 00:46:59,156
anyone can join you all are

1256
00:46:59,540 --> 00:46:59,790
welcome to join if you'd like

1257
00:47:02,576 --> 00:47:02,826
anyone can join and be a member

1258
00:47:03,294 --> 00:47:03,544
of the delaware continuum of

1259
00:47:06,580 --> 00:47:06,830
carere. it means that you are

1260
00:47:08,332 --> 00:47:08,582
working to address homelessness

1261
00:47:10,567 --> 00:47:10,817
in the state of delaware so we

1262
00:47:11,285 --> 00:47:11,535
very specifically target

1263
00:47:12,820 --> 00:47:13,070
outreach to make sure we're

1264
00:47:14,321 --> 00:47:14,571
representing lots of different

1265
00:47:14,989 --> 00:47:15,239
right we have folks from the

1266
00:47:16,290 --> 00:47:16,540
beaver health system folks from

1267
00:47:19,093 --> 00:47:19,343
the justice system folks

1268
00:47:22,329 --> 00:47:22,579
from education rights folks

1269
00:47:22,947 --> 00:47:23,197
working in homeless service

1270
00:47:24,331 --> 00:47:24,581
provider organizations and

1271
00:47:25,149 --> 00:47:25,399
shelter programs folks from

1272
00:47:26,850 --> 00:47:27,100
local governments are all

1273
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:28,569
members of the delaware

1274
00:47:28,869 --> 00:47:29,119
continuum of care we have

1275
00:47:29,386 --> 00:47:29,636
quarterly meetings there's a

1276
00:47:29,954 --> 00:47:30,204
board

1277
00:47:32,856 --> 00:47:33,106
a volunteer board that is voted

1278
00:47:34,591 --> 00:47:34,841
on by the members that governs

1279
00:47:36,543 --> 00:47:36,793
that structure right and that

1280
00:47:37,194 --> 00:47:37,444
makes decisions for the COC

1281
00:47:40,581 --> 00:47:40,831
so we're talking about a

1282
00:47:41,115 --> 00:47:41,365
membership group that is

1283
00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:43,350
statewide when we talk about

1284
00:47:44,835 --> 00:47:45,085
the COC we're also talking about

1285
00:47:46,537 --> 00:47:46,787
the system of care for people

1286
00:47:47,121 --> 00:47:47,371
experiencing homelessness

1287
00:47:48,789 --> 00:47:49,039
throughout the state of delaware

1288
00:47:50,374 --> 00:47:50,624
so sometimes we say well the

1289
00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:53,060
delaware COc is achieving xy and

1290
00:47:54,311 --> 00:47:54,561
z when it comes to homelessness

1291
00:47:55,062 --> 00:47:55,312
or isn't achieving xy and z when

1292
00:47:56,563 --> 00:47:56,813
it comes to homelessness and

1293
00:47:57,197 --> 00:47:57,447
when we use it that way what

1294
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:58,849
we're really talking about is

1295
00:48:00,334 --> 00:48:00,584
the anyone who's providing a

1296
00:48:00,934 --> 00:48:01,184
service to people experiencing

1297
00:48:01,618 --> 00:48:01,868
homelessness in delaware

1298
00:48:04,305 --> 00:48:04,555
is considered to be part of the

1299
00:48:05,055 --> 00:48:05,305
delaware continuum of care

1300
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:06,790
regardless of what money they

1301
00:48:07,157 --> 00:48:07,407
get, regardless of whether they

1302
00:48:08,809 --> 00:48:09,059
operate with public funds or

1303
00:48:10,544 --> 00:48:10,794
private funds they're part of

1304
00:48:11,312 --> 00:48:11,562
the system of care supporting

1305
00:48:12,813 --> 00:48:13,063
people experiencing homelessness

1306
00:48:14,565 --> 00:48:14,815
and so that's sometimes we use

1307
00:48:15,265 --> 00:48:15,515
the COC in that way as well

1308
00:48:19,069 --> 00:48:19,319
and then of course the federal

1309
00:48:21,121 --> 00:48:21,371
funds that we are responsible

1310
00:48:24,291 --> 00:48:24,541
for bringing to delaware to

1311
00:48:24,892 --> 00:48:25,142
support the work to address

1312
00:48:25,476 --> 00:48:25,726
homelessness are called

1313
00:48:27,111 --> 00:48:27,361
continuum of care funds so those

1314
00:48:28,579 --> 00:48:28,829
are administered at the federal

1315
00:48:30,614 --> 00:48:30,864
level it is the largest single

1316
00:48:32,316 --> 00:48:32,566
bucket of funds to address

1317
00:48:33,384 --> 00:48:33,634
homelessness in delaware last

1318
00:48:34,068 --> 00:48:34,318
year

1319
00:48:37,271 --> 00:48:37,521
yeah last year our award

1320
00:48:40,841 --> 00:48:41,091
was11.8 million dollars and we

1321
00:48:42,526 --> 00:48:42,776
are currently in the process of

1322
00:48:43,243 --> 00:48:43,493
working through trying to

1323
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:45,329
continue to retain those funds

1324
00:48:45,746 --> 00:48:45,996
to serve Delawareans which

1325
00:48:48,582 --> 00:48:48,832
here's the whole thing we can

1326
00:48:50,334 --> 00:48:50,584
talk about if you'd like

1327
00:48:51,068 --> 00:48:51,318
going on with those federal

1328
00:48:53,103 --> 00:48:53,353
funds but we are what's

1329
00:48:54,505 --> 00:48:54,755
called the COC lead

1330
00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:56,590
collaborative applicants so we

1331
00:48:58,292 --> 00:48:58,542
are the entity that is the only

1332
00:49:00,294 --> 00:49:00,544
entity that is responsible for

1333
00:49:02,312 --> 00:49:02,562
and allowed to apply for those

1334
00:49:03,047 --> 00:49:03,297
federal funds every community

1335
00:49:04,581 --> 00:49:04,831
has to select an entity that

1336
00:49:06,583 --> 00:49:06,833
applies for those dollars. We do

1337
00:49:08,569 --> 00:49:08,819
not touch the money we help

1338
00:49:10,587 --> 00:49:10,837
coordinate how nonprofits can

1339
00:49:12,573 --> 00:49:12,823
apply for that money. we have a

1340
00:49:13,257 --> 00:49:13,507
funding committee and a process

1341
00:49:16,543 --> 00:49:16,793
we submit an application on

1342
00:49:20,330 --> 00:49:20,580
behalf of of delaware to hu and

1343
00:49:22,316 --> 00:49:22,566
the funds flowhud makes the

1344
00:49:23,067 --> 00:49:23,317
final award decisions and funds

1345
00:49:24,318 --> 00:49:24,568
flow directly to those

1346
00:49:26,553 --> 00:49:26,803
nonprofits so we are not the a

1347
00:49:28,288 --> 00:49:28,538
pass through organization in

1348
00:49:29,006 --> 00:49:29,256
that way I think a lot of people

1349
00:49:29,706 --> 00:49:29,956
think that we are

1350
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:33,560
so that's one that can be a

1351
00:49:35,045 --> 00:49:35,295
little confusing that's the

1352
00:49:35,596 --> 00:49:35,846
delaware COC

1353
00:49:38,565 --> 00:49:38,815
we also operate the coordinated

1354
00:49:40,567 --> 00:49:40,817
entry program for the delaware

1355
00:49:44,288 --> 00:49:44,538
continuum of carere that's

1356
00:49:44,905 --> 00:49:45,155
known locally as centralized

1357
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,090
intake or the homeless helpline

1358
00:49:52,312 --> 00:49:52,562
that's the18333in bed number

1359
00:49:55,065 --> 00:49:55,315
and happy to answer any

1360
00:49:58,318 --> 00:49:58,568
questions about that program but

1361
00:50:00,587 --> 00:50:00,837
I do want to so folks who are

1362
00:50:01,188 --> 00:50:01,438
experiencing homelessness or in

1363
00:50:02,356 --> 00:50:02,606
need of assistance can call that

1364
00:50:04,558 --> 00:50:04,808
number and we do our best to try

1365
00:50:06,293 --> 00:50:06,543
to help them understand whatre

1366
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:07,210
resources are available

1367
00:50:10,330 --> 00:50:10,580
in their community. I do want

1368
00:50:11,098 --> 00:50:11,348
to and and in some cases we're

1369
00:50:13,083 --> 00:50:13,333
able to refer folks to resources

1370
00:50:14,835 --> 00:50:15,085
the we do have a homeless

1371
00:50:16,537 --> 00:50:16,787
helpline website on our webpage

1372
00:50:18,288 --> 00:50:18,538
that I want to make you aware of

1373
00:50:20,324 --> 00:50:20,574
it is a full listing of all

1374
00:50:21,125 --> 00:50:21,375
of the homeless assistance

1375
00:50:22,776 --> 00:50:23,026
resources in the entire state of

1376
00:50:23,494 --> 00:50:23,744
delaware

1377
00:50:26,780 --> 00:50:27,030
it may not include like a small

1378
00:50:28,582 --> 00:50:28,832
program at a church that

1379
00:50:30,334 --> 00:50:30,584
sometimes has some funds for

1380
00:50:30,951 --> 00:50:31,201
like back rent

1381
00:50:33,086 --> 00:50:33,336
sometimes and sometimes doesn't

1382
00:50:35,155 --> 00:50:35,405
right it's not that localized

1383
00:50:36,807 --> 00:50:37,057
and that specific but if you

1384
00:50:38,575 --> 00:50:38,825
want to know what programs exist

1385
00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:39,493
regardless of funding source in

1386
00:50:41,161 --> 00:50:41,411
the state of delaware to serve

1387
00:50:42,646 --> 00:50:42,896
people experiencing homelessness

1388
00:50:44,331 --> 00:50:44,581
it should be on our website if

1389
00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:47,150
it's not please let us know. We

1390
00:50:48,585 --> 00:50:48,835
try to send folks towards that

1391
00:50:50,354 --> 00:50:50,604
site to help them identify

1392
00:50:52,306 --> 00:50:52,556
potential shelter programs or

1393
00:50:52,940 --> 00:50:53,190
rental assistance programs that

1394
00:50:53,624 --> 00:50:53,874
can help them

1395
00:50:56,810 --> 00:50:57,060
one of the biggest challenges

1396
00:50:58,829 --> 00:50:59,079
with operating that program is

1397
00:51:01,165 --> 00:51:01,415
that most of those places don't

1398
00:51:03,050 --> 00:51:03,300
have resources most of the time

1399
00:51:03,717 --> 00:51:03,967
when most people need them

1400
00:51:06,386 --> 00:51:06,636
so that is the biggest challenge

1401
00:51:07,054 --> 00:51:07,304
that we faced with that program

1402
00:51:10,824 --> 00:51:11,074
the next is the CMIs program

1403
00:51:14,561 --> 00:51:14,811
it's delaware's homemeless

1404
00:51:16,547 --> 00:51:16,797
Management Informationystem I'm

1405
00:51:17,264 --> 00:51:17,514
sorry really quickly before you

1406
00:51:19,049 --> 00:51:19,299
go just making sure we're on the

1407
00:51:21,318 --> 00:51:21,568
same slide that you're on wasn't

1408
00:51:25,022 --> 00:51:25,272
was just talking so if you can

1409
00:51:27,074 --> 00:51:27,324
you pay'm still on four core

1410
00:51:28,809 --> 00:51:29,059
program I'm still on four core

1411
00:51:30,577 --> 00:51:30,827
programs and jumping around. I

1412
00:51:33,313 --> 00:51:33,563
apologize o core programs and

1413
00:51:34,565 --> 00:51:34,815
then when you go to the next one

1414
00:51:35,299 --> 00:51:35,549
if you could just say next slide

1415
00:51:37,334 --> 00:51:37,584
that way we know you repi thank

1416
00:51:38,001 --> 00:51:38,251
you

1417
00:51:42,756 --> 00:51:43,006
so the CIs program is

1418
00:51:44,758 --> 00:51:45,008
basically the database where

1419
00:51:47,094 --> 00:51:47,344
most data about homelessness is

1420
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:49,079
captured and stored here in

1421
00:51:50,597 --> 00:51:50,847
delaware as a condition of

1422
00:51:52,566 --> 00:51:52,816
receiving federal funds to

1423
00:51:54,284 --> 00:51:54,534
address homelessness every

1424
00:51:55,085 --> 00:51:55,335
community and in this case it's

1425
00:51:56,303 --> 00:51:56,553
the state of delaware or

1426
00:51:57,037 --> 00:51:57,287
statewide have to have some type

1427
00:51:58,805 --> 00:51:59,055
of data system that collects

1428
00:52:00,324 --> 00:52:00,574
certain information about

1429
00:52:01,074 --> 00:52:01,324
homelessness and reports that up

1430
00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:03,310
to Hhud which then reports it to

1431
00:52:04,795 --> 00:52:05,045
Congress which then influences

1432
00:52:07,064 --> 00:52:07,314
federal allocation and policy

1433
00:52:08,348 --> 00:52:08,598
so we manage that data system

1434
00:52:14,321 --> 00:52:14,571
we train over150 to200 staff

1435
00:52:14,955 --> 00:52:15,205
working in homeless assistance

1436
00:52:15,656 --> 00:52:15,906
programs all over the state

1437
00:52:16,823 --> 00:52:17,073
shelters transitional housing

1438
00:52:18,308 --> 00:52:18,558
programs rapid rehousing

1439
00:52:20,594 --> 00:52:20,844
programs every year to use

1440
00:52:22,546 --> 00:52:22,796
that system we provide technical

1441
00:52:24,298 --> 00:52:24,548
assistance we have a you know

1442
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:26,550
self training portal we have a

1443
00:52:28,285 --> 00:52:28,535
technical assistant staff so

1444
00:52:29,002 --> 00:52:29,252
we're responsible for managing

1445
00:52:31,054 --> 00:52:31,304
that data system as well and we

1446
00:52:32,522 --> 00:52:32,772
can pull a lot of information

1447
00:52:34,291 --> 00:52:34,541
out of that and then there's a

1448
00:52:34,942 --> 00:52:35,192
lot of information we can't pull

1449
00:52:36,810 --> 00:52:37,060
out of that so I always tell

1450
00:52:38,362 --> 00:52:38,612
folks please reach out if you

1451
00:52:39,046 --> 00:52:39,296
have questions about

1452
00:52:39,479 --> 00:52:39,729
homelessness

1453
00:52:41,031 --> 00:52:41,281
that you and we may or may not

1454
00:52:42,532 --> 00:52:42,782
be able to provide you with an

1455
00:52:43,283 --> 00:52:43,533
answer depending on if it's data

1456
00:52:44,284 --> 00:52:44,534
that we capture in that system

1457
00:52:48,538 --> 00:52:48,788
and then the next is policy and

1458
00:52:50,307 --> 00:52:50,557
community education. this is

1459
00:52:52,276 --> 00:52:52,526
where you all probably see us

1460
00:52:53,010 --> 00:52:53,260
most out in the community we

1461
00:52:54,778 --> 00:52:55,028
do have staff who work to

1462
00:52:57,047 --> 00:52:57,297
educate the community support

1463
00:53:00,367 --> 00:53:00,617
advocacy facilitate we

1464
00:53:00,851 --> 00:53:01,101
facilitate the

1465
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:02,569
delawareffordablehousing

1466
00:53:02,786 --> 00:53:03,036
coalitionroup and

1467
00:53:04,288 --> 00:53:04,538
theusssexhousingroup through

1468
00:53:04,871 --> 00:53:05,121
our policy and community

1469
00:53:06,573 --> 00:53:06,823
education programme and I'm

1470
00:53:08,308 --> 00:53:08,558
happy to answer any questions

1471
00:53:08,909 --> 00:53:09,159
about those two particular

1472
00:53:09,526 --> 00:53:09,776
groups of folks would like to

1473
00:53:10,177 --> 00:53:10,427
know more

1474
00:53:11,111 --> 00:53:11,361
ex t slide

1475
00:53:16,333 --> 00:53:16,583
next slide

1476
00:53:22,506 --> 00:53:22,756
wesley should have been more

1477
00:53:26,777 --> 00:53:27,027
organized and were talking ok

1478
00:53:29,046 --> 00:53:29,296
so as an organization so some

1479
00:53:30,847 --> 00:53:31,097
questions were asked so most of

1480
00:53:32,532 --> 00:53:32,782
our funds are federal

1481
00:53:33,300 --> 00:53:33,550
followed by state funds and then

1482
00:53:35,102 --> 00:53:35,352
private dollars and donations so

1483
00:53:36,553 --> 00:53:36,803
the work that we do for the

1484
00:53:38,288 --> 00:53:38,538
coordinated entry program the

1485
00:53:40,324 --> 00:53:40,574
COC program the CIs3 out of four

1486
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:42,809
of our programs do rely

1487
00:53:44,561 --> 00:53:44,811
heavily on federal dollars but

1488
00:53:45,312 --> 00:53:45,562
we do get support from the state

1489
00:53:46,847 --> 00:53:47,097
and others as well for those

1490
00:53:49,082 --> 00:53:49,332
programs as I said we're

1491
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:50,600
about14 staff

1492
00:53:54,304 --> 00:53:54,554
statewide and we none of what we

1493
00:53:55,022 --> 00:53:55,272
do happens

1494
00:53:58,258 --> 00:53:58,508
without partnering with others

1495
00:53:58,875 --> 00:53:59,125
so across all of our programs

1496
00:54:00,577 --> 00:54:00,827
even though like the day to day

1497
00:54:01,311 --> 00:54:01,561
work of the three people working

1498
00:54:02,512 --> 00:54:02,762
on the data system is very

1499
00:54:04,314 --> 00:54:04,564
different than the day to day

1500
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:07,050
work of Sonia for example hi Soa

1501
00:54:09,019 --> 00:54:09,269
that works very different

1502
00:54:11,021 --> 00:54:11,271
it all is happening in

1503
00:54:12,773 --> 00:54:13,023
partnership with people across

1504
00:54:13,373 --> 00:54:13,623
the community in a lot of

1505
00:54:14,775 --> 00:54:15,025
different ways and so that's how

1506
00:54:16,293 --> 00:54:16,543
everything's really connected

1507
00:54:16,943 --> 00:54:17,193
and it's all that focused on

1508
00:54:17,594 --> 00:54:17,844
on our mission

1509
00:54:23,083 --> 00:54:23,333
so for example with CMIS as I

1510
00:54:25,068 --> 00:54:25,318
said we have over10200 or so

1511
00:54:28,255 --> 00:54:28,505
users of the system representing

1512
00:54:30,857 --> 00:54:31,107
I think about40 organizations

1513
00:54:32,292 --> 00:54:32,542
throughout the state entering

1514
00:54:33,076 --> 00:54:33,326
data about homelessness into the

1515
00:54:34,544 --> 00:54:34,794
system tracking client outcomes

1516
00:54:36,296 --> 00:54:36,546
tracking program outcomes and

1517
00:54:36,897 --> 00:54:37,147
our staff are talking to their

1518
00:54:40,300 --> 00:54:40,550
staff all the time every day

1519
00:54:41,051 --> 00:54:41,301
and then we also do work for

1520
00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:42,569
example with

1521
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:43,370
theusssexhousingroup where again

1522
00:54:44,821 --> 00:54:45,071
it's a membership group of folks

1523
00:54:46,306 --> 00:54:46,556
in Sussex County specifically

1524
00:54:47,107 --> 00:54:47,357
interested in and focusing on

1525
00:54:48,825 --> 00:54:49,075
affordable housing in Sussex

1526
00:54:50,327 --> 00:54:50,577
County so those two things are

1527
00:54:51,027 --> 00:54:51,277
very different but the

1528
00:54:52,596 --> 00:54:52,846
whole point of both of those

1529
00:54:53,263 --> 00:54:53,513
things is to be bringing people

1530
00:54:55,031 --> 00:54:55,281
together to try to move things

1531
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:56,850
forward when it comes to

1532
00:54:57,150 --> 00:54:57,400
homelessness and affordable

1533
00:54:57,718 --> 00:54:57,968
housing

1534
00:55:00,554 --> 00:55:00,804
to answer the question about

1535
00:55:02,522 --> 00:55:02,772
our collaboration with DSHA and

1536
00:55:04,508 --> 00:55:04,758
state partners we collaborate

1537
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:06,810
quite closely DSHA does

1538
00:55:07,060 --> 00:55:07,310
provide some funding to support

1539
00:55:08,512 --> 00:55:08,762
our work as the COC lead agency

1540
00:55:11,298 --> 00:55:11,548
some operating dollars that

1541
00:55:14,551 --> 00:55:14,801
are very helpful we also work

1542
00:55:15,202 --> 00:55:15,452
closely with DSHA to inform

1543
00:55:17,053 --> 00:55:17,303
homelessness policy and efforts

1544
00:55:20,557 --> 00:55:20,807
across groups the DSHA for

1545
00:55:22,509 --> 00:55:22,759
many years since I can remember

1546
00:55:23,293 --> 00:55:23,543
I've been working in some way

1547
00:55:26,296 --> 00:55:26,546
with this organization or its

1548
00:55:27,063 --> 00:55:27,313
parent nonprofits for a

1549
00:55:29,082 --> 00:55:29,332
little over12 years has always

1550
00:55:30,567 --> 00:55:30,817
participated in the governance

1551
00:55:32,302 --> 00:55:32,552
of the of housing alliance in

1552
00:55:32,919 --> 00:55:33,169
terms of sitting on the board

1553
00:55:34,521 --> 00:55:34,771
the governance of the continuum

1554
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:37,040
of care delaware state

1555
00:55:38,291 --> 00:55:38,541
housing Authority staff sit on

1556
00:55:38,925 --> 00:55:39,175
the funding committee of the

1557
00:55:39,593 --> 00:55:39,843
delaware continuum of

1558
00:55:41,061 --> 00:55:41,311
care to help make local funding

1559
00:55:42,763 --> 00:55:43,013
decisions when we're applying

1560
00:55:44,514 --> 00:55:44,764
for federal dollars and then we

1561
00:55:46,533 --> 00:55:46,783
also participate in a lot of

1562
00:55:48,769 --> 00:55:49,019
DSHA's initiatives I was on

1563
00:55:50,537 --> 00:55:50,787
the or am on the interagency

1564
00:55:51,138 --> 00:55:51,388
collaborative to end

1565
00:55:52,506 --> 00:55:52,756
homelessness and served on

1566
00:55:53,106 --> 00:55:53,356
theffordable housing task force

1567
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,010
so we work closely withdSHA

1568
00:55:58,778 --> 00:55:59,028
we also work closely withdHSs

1569
00:56:00,313 --> 00:56:00,563
but I would say there's room to

1570
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:03,049
grow there happy to talk more

1571
00:56:05,068 --> 00:56:05,318
about that I think one of our

1572
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:06,569
biggest challenges and I'm

1573
00:56:06,937 --> 00:56:07,187
really focusing on homelessness

1574
00:56:08,338 --> 00:56:08,588
here because I know you've had a

1575
00:56:09,055 --> 00:56:09,305
lot of other presenters

1576
00:56:09,606 --> 00:56:09,856
talking

1577
00:56:11,074 --> 00:56:11,324
about housing and affordable

1578
00:56:12,826 --> 00:56:13,076
housing in different ways

1579
00:56:16,563 --> 00:56:16,813
homeless assistant funding is

1580
00:56:18,281 --> 00:56:18,531
well this past year was the

1581
00:56:19,049 --> 00:56:19,299
largest it's ever been which is

1582
00:56:20,851 --> 00:56:21,101
wonderful at the state level in

1583
00:56:22,803 --> 00:56:23,053
terms of the state allocation

1584
00:56:24,554 --> 00:56:24,804
between and and half million I

1585
00:56:26,573 --> 00:56:26,823
think for homeless services in

1586
00:56:27,224 --> 00:56:27,474
terms of what's allocated by the

1587
00:56:28,809 --> 00:56:29,059
state and then plus what DSHA

1588
00:56:29,459 --> 00:56:29,709
puts forward for the homeme for

1589
00:56:30,126 --> 00:56:30,376
good program

1590
00:56:34,798 --> 00:56:35,048
but it is scattered across a

1591
00:56:36,983 --> 00:56:37,233
lot of divisions DHSs

1592
00:56:39,035 --> 00:56:39,285
divisions DSHA then there's

1593
00:56:42,272 --> 00:56:42,522
thehucdBgSG juris jurisdictions

1594
00:56:42,989 --> 00:56:43,239
and the hu money that's flowing

1595
00:56:44,257 --> 00:56:44,507
through those jurisdictions and

1596
00:56:45,192 --> 00:56:45,442
then there's the COC money so

1597
00:56:46,827 --> 00:56:47,077
similar to what you're talking

1598
00:56:48,295 --> 00:56:48,545
about when it comes to housing

1599
00:56:50,330 --> 00:56:50,580
issues broadly I think we have a

1600
00:56:51,031 --> 00:56:51,281
similar challenge with the

1601
00:56:52,766 --> 00:56:53,016
homelessness system the way

1602
00:56:54,568 --> 00:56:54,818
the funding is distributed who

1603
00:56:55,268 --> 00:56:55,518
controls what funding and it's

1604
00:56:57,287 --> 00:56:57,537
not all aligned towards like the

1605
00:56:59,072 --> 00:56:59,322
same goals so it's very

1606
00:57:00,574 --> 00:57:00,824
common to hear someone who's

1607
00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:01,391
working to address homelessness

1608
00:57:03,276 --> 00:57:03,526
in the community say well this

1609
00:57:06,296 --> 00:57:06,546
one funder says that I have to

1610
00:57:07,030 --> 00:57:07,280
be focusing on employment and

1611
00:57:08,798 --> 00:57:09,048
they want to see that everyone

1612
00:57:10,550 --> 00:57:10,800
I'm working with is getting some

1613
00:57:11,268 --> 00:57:11,518
type of employment but this

1614
00:57:12,769 --> 00:57:13,019
other other funder that's

1615
00:57:14,504 --> 00:57:14,754
funding the exact same program

1616
00:57:15,138 --> 00:57:15,388
is focused on these other

1617
00:57:16,289 --> 00:57:16,539
outcomes and I have to show them

1618
00:57:17,023 --> 00:57:17,273
these other outcomes and how do

1619
00:57:18,792 --> 00:57:19,042
I do both with my limited

1620
00:57:20,794 --> 00:57:21,044
capacity and so one thing that I

1621
00:57:23,013 --> 00:57:23,263
know that we and a lot of the

1622
00:57:24,514 --> 00:57:24,764
homeless service providers would

1623
00:57:27,067 --> 00:57:27,317
appreciate is a funder

1624
00:57:28,535 --> 00:57:28,785
collaborative of some kind a way

1625
00:57:29,252 --> 00:57:29,502
that those dollars and the

1626
00:57:30,604 --> 00:57:30,854
people administering those

1627
00:57:31,171 --> 00:57:31,421
dollars come together

1628
00:57:34,324 --> 00:57:34,574
to make clear decisions about

1629
00:57:34,908 --> 00:57:35,158
like what our priorities and

1630
00:57:36,293 --> 00:57:36,543
goals are so that things are

1631
00:57:37,010 --> 00:57:37,260
aligned and the providers who

1632
00:57:39,012 --> 00:57:39,262
are doing this work know what's

1633
00:57:40,797 --> 00:57:41,047
expected of them and and what to

1634
00:57:42,532 --> 00:57:42,782
do and and how to move forward

1635
00:57:43,133 --> 00:57:43,383
with getting the good outcomes

1636
00:57:44,517 --> 00:57:44,767
for the people they're working

1637
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:46,569
with. so that would be one of

1638
00:57:48,321 --> 00:57:48,571
our biggest challenges locally I

1639
00:57:49,005 --> 00:57:49,255
think when it comes to making

1640
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:50,640
progress in addressing

1641
00:57:50,941 --> 00:57:51,191
homelessness

1642
00:57:53,059 --> 00:57:53,309
aside from the fact that we need

1643
00:57:53,693 --> 00:57:53,943
more affordable housing and

1644
00:57:54,244 --> 00:57:54,494
funding

1645
00:57:58,982 --> 00:57:59,232
that's all I plan to share

1646
00:58:02,769 --> 00:58:03,019
I could talk for a really long

1647
00:58:04,271 --> 00:58:04,521
time about everything I

1648
00:58:06,306 --> 00:58:06,556
mentioned som'm going to stop

1649
00:58:06,973 --> 00:58:07,223
before before I do that

1650
00:58:12,295 --> 00:58:12,545
Senator Hoffman thank you Rachel

1651
00:58:12,996 --> 00:58:13,246
I think you've been in this

1652
00:58:14,981 --> 00:58:15,231
space for about15 years maybe20

1653
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:17,250
years you've always been in this

1654
00:58:18,318 --> 00:58:18,568
building since I've been in this

1655
00:58:18,969 --> 00:58:19,219
building

1656
00:58:22,555 --> 00:58:22,805
so one of the goals we wanted to

1657
00:58:23,256 --> 00:58:23,506
do was have a system that

1658
00:58:26,793 --> 00:58:27,043
everything's talking to each

1659
00:58:27,460 --> 00:58:27,710
other but

1660
00:58:29,062 --> 00:58:29,312
as we're hearing different

1661
00:58:30,563 --> 00:58:30,813
people talk wouldn't it be

1662
00:58:32,515 --> 00:58:32,765
better to have a system that's

1663
00:58:34,501 --> 00:58:34,751
working in the background

1664
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:36,569
because when you're dealing with

1665
00:58:37,037 --> 00:58:37,287
somebody who's homeless you also

1666
00:58:38,571 --> 00:58:38,821
know they need medical care

1667
00:58:39,172 --> 00:58:39,422
mental health care

1668
00:58:42,776 --> 00:58:43,026
and then if the housing

1669
00:58:44,544 --> 00:58:44,794
authority sees this that they

1670
00:58:46,296 --> 00:58:46,546
have all these other needs then

1671
00:58:48,298 --> 00:58:48,548
they could figure out like if we

1672
00:58:49,015 --> 00:58:49,265
had something in the background

1673
00:58:50,550 --> 00:58:50,800
and everybody was talking to

1674
00:58:52,786 --> 00:58:53,036
each other we know the same

1675
00:58:54,537 --> 00:58:54,787
person didn't call you and

1676
00:58:56,323 --> 00:58:56,573
called the housing authority so

1677
00:58:57,007 --> 00:58:57,257
we could start putting the

1678
00:58:58,825 --> 00:58:59,075
pieces together. I don't know if

1679
00:59:00,293 --> 00:59:00,543
we're going to be able to fund

1680
00:59:01,061 --> 00:59:01,311
something that's out in the

1681
00:59:02,545 --> 00:59:02,795
public but if we had something

1682
00:59:04,297 --> 00:59:04,547
in the background working

1683
00:59:05,065 --> 00:59:05,315
wouldn't that help out some of

1684
00:59:05,732 --> 00:59:05,982
the agencies

1685
00:59:08,985 --> 00:59:09,235
don't I'm so don't totally know

1686
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:10,770
what you mean by something in

1687
00:59:12,789 --> 00:59:13,039
the backgroundd calls you

1688
00:59:16,276 --> 00:59:16,526
you type in Fred's name now you

1689
00:59:18,278 --> 00:59:18,528
saw on your screen but the

1690
00:59:20,313 --> 00:59:20,563
public can't see it that Fred

1691
00:59:22,532 --> 00:59:22,782
also called DHSs he called the

1692
00:59:24,534 --> 00:59:24,784
housing authority also called

1693
00:59:25,218 --> 00:59:25,468
local charities

1694
00:59:28,538 --> 00:59:28,788
yes and then we could start

1695
00:59:31,091 --> 00:59:31,341
pinpointing he's in a a crisis

1696
00:59:33,009 --> 00:59:33,259
moment he's calling everyone

1697
00:59:36,279 --> 00:59:36,529
yeah so is it fair to say you're

1698
00:59:37,013 --> 00:59:37,263
asking kind of about data

1699
00:59:38,531 --> 00:59:38,781
sharing on the back end so that

1700
00:59:40,533 --> 00:59:40,783
we can see patterns of service

1701
00:59:42,285 --> 00:59:42,535
usage and everyone's

1702
00:59:44,504 --> 00:59:44,754
coordinating right yes so yes

1703
00:59:46,790 --> 00:59:47,040
that would be great so yeah

1704
00:59:50,610 --> 00:59:50,860
you said Fred Fredrank rank Fred

1705
00:59:52,579 --> 00:59:52,829
the fly what's happening right

1706
00:59:54,497 --> 00:59:54,747
now if we did a data share if

1707
00:59:55,165 --> 00:59:55,415
we did a data match if we had

1708
00:59:56,833 --> 00:59:57,083
our HMIS data and

1709
01:00:00,537 --> 01:00:00,787
let's say Department of justice

1710
01:00:04,524 --> 01:00:04,774
data and medicaid data and state

1711
01:00:06,292 --> 01:00:06,542
serviceent data and we put all

1712
01:00:07,043 --> 01:00:07,293
of that together we'd probably

1713
01:00:10,313 --> 01:00:10,563
see almost every person in HMIs

1714
01:00:12,298 --> 01:00:12,548
is being served by one of those

1715
01:00:13,033 --> 01:00:13,283
systems as well or has touched

1716
01:00:14,551 --> 01:00:14,801
one of those systems as well

1717
01:00:17,303 --> 01:00:17,553
and yes I do think that would be

1718
01:00:18,555 --> 01:00:18,805
extremely helpful so there are

1719
01:00:20,540 --> 01:00:20,790
other in terms of figuring out

1720
01:00:22,308 --> 01:00:22,558
how to actually solve people's

1721
01:00:22,959 --> 01:00:23,209
problems

1722
01:00:26,763 --> 01:00:27,013
I'll use Allegheny County as an

1723
01:00:30,316 --> 01:00:30,566
example as as a community

1724
01:00:31,034 --> 01:00:31,284
that has done this extremely

1725
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:32,769
well and they're very well known

1726
01:00:34,304 --> 01:00:34,554
for this they actuallyu they did

1727
01:00:37,023 --> 01:00:37,273
that and they created a this

1728
01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:37,840
is how they decide

1729
01:00:40,577 --> 01:00:40,827
of people experiencing

1730
01:00:41,077 --> 01:00:41,327
homelessness in Allegheny

1731
01:00:41,644 --> 01:00:41,894
countunty.

1732
01:00:44,764 --> 01:00:45,014
there is not enough as we know

1733
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:47,050
housing resources to get people

1734
01:00:48,551 --> 01:00:48,801
into housing and get the support

1735
01:00:50,303 --> 01:00:50,553
they need services they need

1736
01:00:50,870 --> 01:00:51,120
quickly

1737
01:00:52,505 --> 01:00:52,755
so communities all over the

1738
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:54,590
country have to decide who gets

1739
01:00:55,024 --> 01:00:55,274
what housing and when and it's

1740
01:00:56,776 --> 01:00:57,026
not fun that's part of what we

1741
01:00:58,795 --> 01:00:59,045
do at coordinated entry and it's

1742
01:01:02,282 --> 01:01:02,532
not enjoyable at all to

1743
01:01:02,732 --> 01:01:02,982
decide this person gets it and

1744
01:01:03,383 --> 01:01:03,633
this person doesn't but there

1745
01:01:04,050 --> 01:01:04,300
isn't enough

1746
01:01:06,786 --> 01:01:07,036
so we're making those decisions

1747
01:01:08,288 --> 01:01:08,538
every day what they have done is

1748
01:01:10,523 --> 01:01:10,773
really put likes medical data

1749
01:01:12,292 --> 01:01:12,542
hospital data department of

1750
01:01:14,761 --> 01:01:15,011
justice data HMIs data together

1751
01:01:17,013 --> 01:01:17,263
and seeing this person is the

1752
01:01:19,249 --> 01:01:19,499
person who is in the hospital

1753
01:01:20,817 --> 01:01:21,067
every few days for this chronic

1754
01:01:23,036 --> 01:01:23,286
health condition on medicaid da

1755
01:01:24,270 --> 01:01:24,520
da da da da we're gonna to

1756
01:01:24,988 --> 01:01:25,238
prioritize this person for the

1757
01:01:26,523 --> 01:01:26,773
next available supportive

1758
01:01:28,508 --> 01:01:28,758
housing unit so there are ways

1759
01:01:30,326 --> 01:01:30,576
that that data doesn't just

1760
01:01:31,277 --> 01:01:31,527
function in the background as

1761
01:01:33,029 --> 01:01:33,279
not that that's what you meant

1762
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:34,530
but as like for research it's

1763
01:01:36,766 --> 01:01:37,016
used to make real world

1764
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:37,500
decisions about trying to get

1765
01:01:38,601 --> 01:01:38,851
the most vulnerable people

1766
01:01:41,070 --> 01:01:41,320
connected to the services I

1767
01:01:42,338 --> 01:01:42,588
noticed that oh well

1768
01:01:46,793 --> 01:01:47,043
secretckhockles knows this on

1769
01:01:47,427 --> 01:01:47,677
when the tornado hit

1770
01:01:51,131 --> 01:01:51,381
we there were three of us on the

1771
01:01:52,565 --> 01:01:52,815
street talking to different

1772
01:01:54,284 --> 01:01:54,534
people and then I was like oh

1773
01:01:55,068 --> 01:01:55,318
you're great for interfaith I go

1774
01:01:56,586 --> 01:01:56,836
run and get the women from

1775
01:01:58,254 --> 01:01:58,504
interfaith they may see each

1776
01:01:58,888 --> 01:01:59,138
other and they're like no we

1777
01:02:00,373 --> 01:02:00,623
can't take that person we know

1778
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:01,290
that person

1779
01:02:02,792 --> 01:02:03,042
they already went through our

1780
01:02:04,777 --> 01:02:05,027
services and we can't that would

1781
01:02:06,513 --> 01:02:06,763
have saved so much time if we

1782
01:02:08,798 --> 01:02:09,048
had even on our phones some way

1783
01:02:10,533 --> 01:02:10,783
of figuring it out than us

1784
01:02:11,267 --> 01:02:11,517
running around the street

1785
01:02:13,052 --> 01:02:13,302
calling Secretary heckles hey do

1786
01:02:14,771 --> 01:02:15,021
you have this name do you have

1787
01:02:17,006 --> 01:02:17,256
that name? so it was a lot of us

1788
01:02:18,791 --> 01:02:19,041
I think the tornado really

1789
01:02:20,827 --> 01:02:21,077
showed that we do need something

1790
01:02:22,545 --> 01:02:22,795
in the background for the most

1791
01:02:26,282 --> 01:02:26,532
vulnerable absolutely that makes

1792
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:27,200
sense

1793
01:02:28,518 --> 01:02:28,768
and can I just respond to one of

1794
01:02:29,252 --> 01:02:29,502
the last things you said

1795
01:02:33,056 --> 01:02:33,306
because it gives me an

1796
01:02:34,791 --> 01:02:35,041
opportunity to say I think

1797
01:02:36,526 --> 01:02:36,776
focusing on people's immediate

1798
01:02:38,311 --> 01:02:38,561
needs is really really important

1799
01:02:40,830 --> 01:02:41,080
sheltercri services but that

1800
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:43,049
will never solve someone's

1801
01:02:44,984 --> 01:02:45,234
homelessness it will it is a

1802
01:02:46,986 --> 01:02:47,236
very important band aid that

1803
01:02:47,620 --> 01:02:47,870
stops very

1804
01:02:52,292 --> 01:02:52,542
not ok bleeding right so I'm not

1805
01:02:53,009 --> 01:02:53,259
saying it's not important but

1806
01:02:54,944 --> 01:02:55,194
really focusing

1807
01:02:58,298 --> 01:02:58,548
a lot of effort on trying to

1808
01:02:58,998 --> 01:02:59,248
figure out how to like fix the

1809
01:03:00,850 --> 01:03:01,100
whole shelter system and why

1810
01:03:02,535 --> 01:03:02,785
this person can't get into there

1811
01:03:03,236 --> 01:03:03,486
but they can't get into there

1812
01:03:03,903 --> 01:03:04,153
but they can't get into there

1813
01:03:08,291 --> 01:03:08,541
I think efforts would be better

1814
01:03:09,025 --> 01:03:09,275
focusing on how to get folks to

1815
01:03:12,278 --> 01:03:12,528
housing and services not that

1816
01:03:13,029 --> 01:03:13,279
it's not important but I think

1817
01:03:14,764 --> 01:03:15,014
if there's a choice that's the

1818
01:03:16,532 --> 01:03:16,782
one we would choose to focus on

1819
01:03:19,018 --> 01:03:19,268
it it was a lot last week and

1820
01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:21,070
then out of all the people we

1821
01:03:22,305 --> 01:03:22,555
talked to we only I think we

1822
01:03:24,807 --> 01:03:25,057
only got like three people into

1823
01:03:26,793 --> 01:03:27,043
more of a program that at the

1824
01:03:29,028 --> 01:03:29,278
end of ix0 days they'll be able

1825
01:03:30,813 --> 01:03:31,063
to and am so sorry to be clear I

1826
01:03:32,315 --> 01:03:32,565
was not talking about in the

1827
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:34,550
case of a natural disaster I was

1828
01:03:34,968 --> 01:03:35,218
talking that but that

1829
01:03:36,586 --> 01:03:36,836
brought that to light to the

1830
01:03:38,304 --> 01:03:38,554
general public of what is

1831
01:03:39,005 --> 01:03:39,255
actually going on right

1832
01:03:44,777 --> 01:03:45,027
any other questions

1833
01:03:46,479 --> 01:03:46,729
deputy secretary shepherd

1834
01:03:49,015 --> 01:03:49,265
thank you madam chairir Hi

1835
01:03:50,566 --> 01:03:50,816
Rachel

1836
01:03:52,752 --> 01:03:53,002
one quick question and then

1837
01:03:54,554 --> 01:03:54,804
just to follow up on something

1838
01:03:56,539 --> 01:03:56,789
you mentioned iss the homeless

1839
01:03:58,491 --> 01:03:58,741
helpline is that staffed after

1840
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:00,810
hours and on weekends it is not

1841
01:04:02,528 --> 01:04:02,778
so that is you know something

1842
01:04:03,112 --> 01:04:03,362
from the state service center

1843
01:04:04,781 --> 01:04:05,031
side that I will hear

1844
01:04:08,301 --> 01:04:08,551
occasionally is it's4:30 on a

1845
01:04:09,035 --> 01:04:09,285
Friday. I've just had this

1846
01:04:11,020 --> 01:04:11,270
family walk in they're homeless

1847
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:13,289
they need something and we call

1848
01:04:16,326 --> 01:04:16,576
and and there's nothing there

1849
01:04:16,943 --> 01:04:17,193
and I I don't know quite how to

1850
01:04:17,610 --> 01:04:17,860
sol

1851
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:21,030
ve that other than using to the

1852
01:04:22,765 --> 01:04:23,015
extent we can our hotel voucher

1853
01:04:24,751 --> 01:04:25,001
to at least get that family in

1854
01:04:26,769 --> 01:04:27,019
as quickly as possible and then

1855
01:04:28,521 --> 01:04:28,771
try to work to maybe the back

1856
01:04:30,323 --> 01:04:30,573
end onmon or or whatnot when

1857
01:04:32,292 --> 01:04:32,542
they come back so are there

1858
01:04:34,961 --> 01:04:35,211
any maybe plans or thought to

1859
01:04:38,298 --> 01:04:38,548
how we might solve that after

1860
01:04:41,034 --> 01:04:41,284
hours kind of issue yeah so

1861
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:44,770
I guess a couple of things so in

1862
01:04:46,272 --> 01:04:46,522
delaware we do not have any

1863
01:04:46,990 --> 01:04:47,240
shelters that are willing to

1864
01:04:50,743 --> 01:04:50,993
take people at any time ums a

1865
01:04:52,312 --> 01:04:52,562
lot of larger cities have

1866
01:04:52,996 --> 01:04:53,246
shelters that are24/7 they'll

1867
01:04:54,514 --> 01:04:54,764
like find someone on the street

1868
01:04:56,316 --> 01:04:56,566
at2 a.m. who clearly needs

1869
01:04:56,916 --> 01:04:57,166
shelter and the police will call

1870
01:04:58,501 --> 01:04:58,751
and then they can pick them up

1871
01:05:00,570 --> 01:05:00,820
and bring them to the24/7

1872
01:05:01,170 --> 01:05:01,420
shelter. we don't have that in

1873
01:05:02,989 --> 01:05:03,239
delaware there are some shelters

1874
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:04,790
that are willing to take people

1875
01:05:05,191 --> 01:05:05,441
after hours in special

1876
01:05:05,742 --> 01:05:05,992
circumstances

1877
01:05:08,294 --> 01:05:08,544
if they have an opening when a

1878
01:05:08,995 --> 01:05:09,245
police officer calls or

1879
01:05:10,780 --> 01:05:11,030
something like that is

1880
01:05:11,247 --> 01:05:11,497
happening but

1881
01:05:15,018 --> 01:05:15,268
I think the first thing to

1882
01:05:18,521 --> 01:05:18,771
figure out is how to increase

1883
01:05:19,205 --> 01:05:19,455
the capacity of our shelter

1884
01:05:20,973 --> 01:05:21,223
programs to allow for easier

1885
01:05:22,308 --> 01:05:22,558
access

1886
01:05:24,677 --> 01:05:24,927
we there are shelters so

1887
01:05:29,032 --> 01:05:29,282
so that's number one2 about a

1888
01:05:29,699 --> 01:05:29,949
little over a year ago

1889
01:05:32,301 --> 01:05:32,551
we made a change at the

1890
01:05:33,002 --> 01:05:33,252
homeless helpline we do not make

1891
01:05:34,504 --> 01:05:34,754
direct referrals to most

1892
01:05:36,272 --> 01:05:36,522
shelters in the state anymore

1893
01:05:36,939 --> 01:05:37,189
because it just wasn't working

1894
01:05:40,293 --> 01:05:40,543
so to your staff I would just

1895
01:05:41,010 --> 01:05:41,260
say they can just call the they

1896
01:05:42,295 --> 01:05:42,545
can and should just be calling

1897
01:05:42,962 --> 01:05:43,212
the shelters directly and saying

1898
01:05:44,547 --> 01:05:44,797
do you have any openings can you

1899
01:05:46,315 --> 01:05:46,565
take this family they do not

1900
01:05:48,317 --> 01:05:48,567
have to come through us in order

1901
01:05:49,052 --> 01:05:49,302
to make that referral unless

1902
01:05:50,820 --> 01:05:51,070
there's like central intake is

1903
01:05:52,722 --> 01:05:52,972
no longer it's no longer central

1904
01:05:53,439 --> 01:05:53,689
intake so this is why we've been

1905
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:56,559
trying to rework reframing it as

1906
01:05:58,811 --> 01:05:59,061
the homeless helpline the

1907
01:05:59,312 --> 01:05:59,562
access to emergency shel

1908
01:06:02,298 --> 01:06:02,548
ter is no longer centralized.

1909
01:06:02,999 --> 01:06:03,249
there are a couple of shelters

1910
01:06:04,534 --> 01:06:04,784
in the state that will still

1911
01:06:06,285 --> 01:06:06,535
only accept referrals from us

1912
01:06:06,869 --> 01:06:07,119
because they preferred it that

1913
01:06:08,755 --> 01:06:09,005
way but at this point we're

1914
01:06:10,740 --> 01:06:10,990
primarily telling people here's

1915
01:06:12,325 --> 01:06:12,575
other places to go here's other

1916
01:06:12,992 --> 01:06:13,242
phone numbers to call

1917
01:06:14,761 --> 01:06:15,011
we're always sending people to

1918
01:06:16,746 --> 01:06:16,996
the state service centers so

1919
01:06:18,514 --> 01:06:18,764
that's the other thing I

1920
01:06:20,533 --> 01:06:20,783
would say is just because we're

1921
01:06:22,502 --> 01:06:22,752
not the phone isn't operating

1922
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:24,720
doesn't mean you can't reach out

1923
01:06:25,171 --> 01:06:25,421
and then your staff can't reach

1924
01:06:26,305 --> 01:06:26,555
out and try to access shelter

1925
01:06:26,956 --> 01:06:27,206
programs

1926
01:06:29,008 --> 01:06:29,258
it's always been the case

1927
01:06:29,609 --> 01:06:29,859
that folks could get into

1928
01:06:30,810 --> 01:06:31,060
shelter after hours if there was

1929
01:06:32,779 --> 01:06:33,029
shelter available we did at

1930
01:06:34,730 --> 01:06:34,980
one point like the when we were

1931
01:06:36,549 --> 01:06:36,799
closed you could just walk in

1932
01:06:38,267 --> 01:06:38,517
like we never said like don't

1933
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:40,569
take people in after hours so

1934
01:06:40,987 --> 01:06:41,237
that was also always the case

1935
01:06:41,637 --> 01:06:41,887
after hours generally

1936
01:06:44,507 --> 01:06:44,757
so but first I would focus on

1937
01:06:46,526 --> 01:06:46,776
actually making resources

1938
01:06:47,110 --> 01:06:47,360
available to folks who need them

1939
01:06:49,128 --> 01:06:49,378
nights and weekends

1940
01:06:52,748 --> 01:06:52,998
and then you did make a a

1941
01:06:54,534 --> 01:06:54,784
comment about there being room

1942
01:06:58,271 --> 01:06:58,521
to grow withdHSs so if that's

1943
01:07:00,289 --> 01:07:00,539
a conversation you want to have

1944
01:07:01,207 --> 01:07:01,457
outside of this then happy to

1945
01:07:02,792 --> 01:07:03,042
set something up with you and

1946
01:07:04,293 --> 01:07:04,543
and talk through that yeah that

1947
01:07:04,961 --> 01:07:05,211
would be great

1948
01:07:06,863 --> 01:07:07,113
heckles just back to the

1949
01:07:10,483 --> 01:07:10,733
sort of open and closed hours

1950
01:07:14,504 --> 01:07:14,754
even if you're closed do you

1951
01:07:16,255 --> 01:07:16,505
have an ability to know when

1952
01:07:17,156 --> 01:07:17,406
someone called I mean it's I

1953
01:07:20,326 --> 01:07:20,576
guess I'm trying to decide or or

1954
01:07:22,528 --> 01:07:22,778
figure out a message and yeah we

1955
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:24,530
use a phone call system similar

1956
01:07:24,997 --> 01:07:25,247
to like211 we'll see what time

1957
01:07:26,499 --> 01:07:26,749
the call came in they can leave

1958
01:07:28,301 --> 01:07:28,551
a message theirir phone number's

1959
01:07:29,035 --> 01:07:29,285
there etc but

1960
01:07:30,803 --> 01:07:31,053
but we don't get back to them

1961
01:07:32,755 --> 01:07:33,005
until the following even meaning

1962
01:07:33,456 --> 01:07:33,706
to ask you and just haven't

1963
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:34,740
gotten to it yet but

1964
01:07:39,028 --> 01:07:39,278
the2fohour nature of it you know

1965
01:07:41,247 --> 01:07:41,497
is that something that is you

1966
01:07:42,748 --> 01:07:42,998
know more necessary in a place

1967
01:07:43,416 --> 01:07:43,666
like Philadelphia and New York

1968
01:07:44,083 --> 01:07:44,333
City

1969
01:07:46,469 --> 01:07:46,719
DC and you know out

1970
01:07:49,005 --> 01:07:49,255
because the cost would be

1971
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:51,090
substantial to triple

1972
01:07:54,544 --> 01:07:54,794
essentially or more the the

1973
01:07:55,144 --> 01:07:55,394
amount of time that you're

1974
01:07:58,564 --> 01:07:58,814
you're the service is open

1975
01:07:59,165 --> 01:07:59,415
and if that's to catch a couple

1976
01:08:02,301 --> 01:08:02,551
of people who you know a a

1977
01:08:03,085 --> 01:08:03,335
year that might not be worth it

1978
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:04,970
but

1979
01:08:08,491 --> 01:08:08,741
that so that that would be

1980
01:08:09,041 --> 01:08:09,291
interesting to know if we have

1981
01:08:10,776 --> 01:08:11,026
any any sort of data that says

1982
01:08:12,495 --> 01:08:12,745
you know listen there are you

1983
01:08:13,179 --> 01:08:13,429
know 1000 people who called

1984
01:08:14,747 --> 01:08:14,997
after hours last year that would

1985
01:08:15,381 --> 01:08:15,631
be a different conversation than

1986
01:08:16,065 --> 01:08:16,315
if there are two

1987
01:08:18,568 --> 01:08:18,818
that makes sense

1988
01:08:22,522 --> 01:08:22,772
yeah the other thing I will say

1989
01:08:24,524 --> 01:08:24,774
is if there's interest in

1990
01:08:25,124 --> 01:08:25,374
something like that being

1991
01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:27,059
open24/7 you know as you just

1992
01:08:27,476 --> 01:08:27,726
said

1993
01:08:30,546 --> 01:08:30,796
there has to be something to

1994
01:08:32,515 --> 01:08:32,765
tell people or to offer people

1995
01:08:34,283 --> 01:08:34,533
and currently even during the

1996
01:08:35,001 --> 01:08:35,251
day there's very little to offer

1997
01:08:36,802 --> 01:08:37,052
people so often what's happening

1998
01:08:38,271 --> 01:08:38,521
when folks are calling us is

1999
01:08:38,988 --> 01:08:39,238
they're we're giving them a

2000
01:08:40,556 --> 01:08:40,806
phone number or like you're a

2001
01:08:42,308 --> 01:08:42,558
single male in dover called over

2002
01:08:44,810 --> 01:08:45,060
interface called wherever

2003
01:08:46,796 --> 01:08:47,046
shepherd's place still kind of

2004
01:08:48,297 --> 01:08:48,547
asking

2005
01:08:49,232 --> 01:08:49,482
sort of also asking as we

2006
01:08:49,782 --> 01:08:50,032
develop the

2007
01:08:52,501 --> 01:08:52,751
you know processes and policies

2008
01:08:53,286 --> 01:08:53,536
and procedures and mode of

2009
01:08:54,537 --> 01:08:54,787
operation of the hopepe centers

2010
01:08:56,556 --> 01:08:56,806
in inkentonusssex counties is

2011
01:08:58,808 --> 01:08:59,058
that is that a piece of that

2012
01:08:59,475 --> 01:08:59,725
that we need to

2013
01:09:04,580 --> 01:09:04,830
emphasize or not don't and you

2014
01:09:05,231 --> 01:09:05,481
know that's a like to see

2015
01:09:07,049 --> 01:09:07,299
data and and and even if you

2016
01:09:10,586 --> 01:09:10,836
guys have it that you know I

2017
01:09:11,187 --> 01:09:11,437
presume at some point the state

2018
01:09:12,538 --> 01:09:12,788
service center's closed too and

2019
01:09:13,256 --> 01:09:13,506
they may not know so it's sort

2020
01:09:14,757 --> 01:09:15,007
of like how do you know what you

2021
01:09:17,026 --> 01:09:17,276
don't know if they can't reach

2022
01:09:18,511 --> 01:09:18,761
service centers and you don't

2023
01:09:19,078 --> 01:09:19,328
know that they're trying to

2024
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:21,280
reach us to to get housing if

2025
01:09:23,049 --> 01:09:23,299
they're not able to you know

2026
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:24,800
call and you don't know if they

2027
01:09:25,167 --> 01:09:25,417
left a message that you know so

2028
01:09:28,537 --> 01:09:28,787
between us like how can we fill

2029
01:09:30,573 --> 01:09:30,823
in the gaps and find out you

2030
01:09:32,758 --> 01:09:33,008
know how much after hours time

2031
01:09:34,827 --> 01:09:35,077
people really need the

2032
01:09:35,378 --> 01:09:35,628
service it would be interesting

2033
01:09:39,015 --> 01:09:39,265
so having worked in the

2034
01:09:40,816 --> 01:09:41,066
delaware system for quite some

2035
01:09:43,069 --> 01:09:43,319
time. I don't think it is a

2036
01:09:44,787 --> 01:09:45,037
great use of resources to focus

2037
01:09:46,706 --> 01:09:46,956
on expanding to24 hours mainly

2038
01:09:47,373 --> 01:09:47,623
because

2039
01:09:52,278 --> 01:09:52,528
if people suddenly without

2040
01:09:53,229 --> 01:09:53,479
knowing it are becoming homeless

2041
01:09:53,879 --> 01:09:54,129
in the middle of the night

2042
01:09:58,284 --> 01:09:58,534
not always but frequently there

2043
01:10:00,319 --> 01:10:00,569
is some police involvement and

2044
01:10:02,722 --> 01:10:02,972
police often then are like that

2045
01:10:04,774 --> 01:10:05,024
frontline worker who who knows

2046
01:10:06,525 --> 01:10:06,775
the shelter down the street and

2047
01:10:08,544 --> 01:10:08,794
it or has them work with a DV

2048
01:10:11,063 --> 01:10:11,313
hotline to address the problem

2049
01:10:14,517 --> 01:10:14,767
people have housingcuries and

2050
01:10:16,302 --> 01:10:16,552
become homeless all the time but

2051
01:10:18,554 --> 01:10:18,804
it's somewhat rare for someone

2052
01:10:20,573 --> 01:10:20,823
to suddenly without any warning

2053
01:10:22,291 --> 01:10:22,541
lose their housing in the middle

2054
01:10:23,059 --> 01:10:23,309
of the night. I just wanted

2055
01:10:23,676 --> 01:10:23,926
that's usually not not

2056
01:10:26,329 --> 01:10:26,579
how it's happening

2057
01:10:26,846 --> 01:10:27,096
right

2058
01:10:30,766 --> 01:10:31,016
not that it never happens but

2059
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:34,720
playing director Edji

2060
01:10:38,507 --> 01:10:38,757
yeah hi Rachel I'm just curious

2061
01:10:39,191 --> 01:10:39,441
you moved away from the

2062
01:10:40,793 --> 01:10:41,043
centralized intake to sort of

2063
01:10:42,978 --> 01:10:43,228
more of a navigator role I'm

2064
01:10:44,747 --> 01:10:44,997
sure there's a story about why

2065
01:10:45,364 --> 01:10:45,614
that happened and you know it

2066
01:10:46,015 --> 01:10:46,265
just would seem

2067
01:10:48,534 --> 01:10:48,784
would seem like you know we're

2068
01:10:50,319 --> 01:10:50,569
trying to organize things you

2069
01:10:50,986 --> 01:10:51,236
know moving to a more

2070
01:10:51,470 --> 01:10:51,720
centralized thing would be

2071
01:10:52,038 --> 01:10:52,288
an option

2072
01:10:54,473 --> 01:10:54,723
but but they're they're they're

2073
01:10:56,742 --> 01:10:56,992
you know just briefly like

2074
01:10:58,277 --> 01:10:58,527
what's the story and there's

2075
01:11:00,329 --> 01:11:00,579
this new system of kind of a

2076
01:11:02,548 --> 01:11:02,798
navigator role has that been

2077
01:11:04,300 --> 01:11:04,550
more effective than the previous

2078
01:11:04,967 --> 01:11:05,217
way you were doing it just

2079
01:11:06,535 --> 01:11:06,785
curious yeah that's a really

2080
01:11:07,103 --> 01:11:07,353
great question

2081
01:11:10,706 --> 01:11:10,956
so there is a story and I'm

2082
01:11:11,273 --> 01:11:11,523
going to make it short

2083
01:11:16,278 --> 01:11:16,528
I would say that there's a

2084
01:11:16,996 --> 01:11:17,246
couple main reasons why the

2085
01:11:18,314 --> 01:11:18,564
centralized shelter access

2086
01:11:21,033 --> 01:11:21,283
wasn't working

2087
01:11:24,687 --> 01:11:24,937
one was that there was no

2088
01:11:28,541 --> 01:11:28,791
what I talked about earlier

2089
01:11:29,091 --> 01:11:29,341
there were no standard

2090
01:11:30,810 --> 01:11:31,060
expectations for how programs

2091
01:11:33,028 --> 01:11:33,278
would operate so some programs

2092
01:11:34,730 --> 01:11:34,980
wouldn't take people in after2

2093
01:11:36,282 --> 01:11:36,532
pm. because they didn't have

2094
01:11:38,517 --> 01:11:38,767
enough staff. some programs

2095
01:11:40,336 --> 01:11:40,586
wouldn't take people who were

2096
01:11:41,053 --> 01:11:41,303
being exited from psychiatric

2097
01:11:43,005 --> 01:11:43,255
facilities because they didn't

2098
01:11:44,507 --> 01:11:44,757
have more than seve days' worth

2099
01:11:46,492 --> 01:11:46,742
of their psych meds and they

2100
01:11:47,042 --> 01:11:47,292
were concerned about that some

2101
01:11:50,312 --> 01:11:50,562
places wouldn't take people like

2102
01:11:52,314 --> 01:11:52,564
every place operates differently

2103
01:11:54,567 --> 01:11:54,817
and so the idea of trying and

2104
01:11:56,318 --> 01:11:56,568
there was no one entity that was

2105
01:11:57,002 --> 01:11:57,252
respo

2106
01:11:58,988 --> 01:11:59,238
n s ible for setting some basic

2107
01:12:02,308 --> 01:12:02,558
right I'm not talking about some

2108
01:12:02,975 --> 01:12:03,225
basic like this is how we're all

2109
01:12:06,262 --> 01:12:06,512
going to operate so that when I

2110
01:12:07,029 --> 01:12:07,279
think to your point Senator

2111
01:12:09,248 --> 01:12:09,498
Hofner when you're with rank and

2112
01:12:10,566 --> 01:12:10,816
you're like there's an open bed

2113
01:12:12,535 --> 01:12:12,785
here for single men that that

2114
01:12:14,737 --> 01:12:14,987
match results in rank getting

2115
01:12:16,288 --> 01:12:16,538
that bed so what we were

2116
01:12:17,022 --> 01:12:17,272
spending a lot of time doing was

2117
01:12:18,758 --> 01:12:19,008
trying to get rank into the bed

2118
01:12:20,693 --> 01:12:20,943
for single men and rank was not

2119
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:21,610
getting into the bed for single

2120
01:12:22,027 --> 01:12:22,277
men

2121
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:25,030
and so it really was like

2122
01:12:26,615 --> 01:12:26,865
hamster on a wheel

2123
01:12:28,517 --> 01:12:28,767
the other thing

2124
01:12:32,772 --> 01:12:33,022
I will say is lack of resources

2125
01:12:34,974 --> 01:12:35,224
on the shelter program side is a

2126
01:12:36,759 --> 01:12:37,009
huge part of why everyone

2127
01:12:38,544 --> 01:12:38,794
operates so differently as well.

2128
01:12:40,596 --> 01:12:40,846
people have to make do with

2129
01:12:41,197 --> 01:12:41,447
what they have and oftentimes a

2130
01:12:42,548 --> 01:12:42,798
lot of these programs are

2131
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:44,550
operating with volunteer support

2132
01:12:46,302 --> 01:12:46,552
on donations from local you know

2133
01:12:46,969 --> 01:12:47,219
churches or other faith

2134
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:48,570
communities and they don't

2135
01:12:52,491 --> 01:12:52,741
the capacity to have that type

2136
01:12:54,977 --> 01:12:55,227
of structure in a way that lends

2137
01:12:56,562 --> 01:12:56,812
itself to like a really truly

2138
01:12:57,263 --> 01:12:57,513
centralized or coordinated

2139
01:12:58,347 --> 01:12:58,597
system is really challenging for

2140
01:12:58,998 --> 01:12:59,248
folks

2141
01:13:02,501 --> 01:13:02,751
so very poorly resourced system

2142
01:13:03,169 --> 01:13:03,419
without

2143
01:13:06,972 --> 01:13:07,222
a set of standards that we

2144
01:13:08,757 --> 01:13:09,007
were kind of trying to force

2145
01:13:10,543 --> 01:13:10,793
people to abide by but we don't

2146
01:13:12,561 --> 01:13:12,811
fund them so it wasn't going

2147
01:13:13,128 --> 01:13:13,378
well

2148
01:13:16,699 --> 01:13:16,949
can't tell them what to do

2149
01:13:18,717 --> 01:13:18,967
SenatorBuxton

2150
01:13:24,273 --> 01:13:24,523
thank you and I appreciated the

2151
01:13:24,924 --> 01:13:25,174
conversation it helps maybe

2152
01:13:26,909 --> 01:13:27,159
get some clarity in what I'm

2153
01:13:27,476 --> 01:13:27,726
thinking

2154
01:13:30,596 --> 01:13:30,846
I appreciate your position I'm

2155
01:13:32,281 --> 01:13:32,531
not in your seat so I have to

2156
01:13:32,898 --> 01:13:33,148
respect the fact that you're

2157
01:13:34,533 --> 01:13:34,783
doing this daily so I'm in the

2158
01:13:36,552 --> 01:13:36,802
cheap seats or maybe I'm in my

2159
01:13:37,219 --> 01:13:37,469
senate seat dealing with

2160
01:13:40,589 --> 01:13:40,839
different situations from time

2161
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,490
to time

2162
01:13:44,493 --> 01:13:44,743
but I'm challenged with what

2163
01:13:45,094 --> 01:13:45,344
you're saying in the

2164
01:13:47,263 --> 01:13:47,513
decentralization of it and I

2165
01:13:48,531 --> 01:13:48,781
want to make sure I understand

2166
01:13:50,366 --> 01:13:50,616
that she used the gentleman will

2167
01:13:51,033 --> 01:13:51,283
call him rank

2168
01:13:52,968 --> 01:13:53,218
and you were looking for

2169
01:13:57,022 --> 01:13:57,272
where it is that you could place

2170
01:13:58,507 --> 01:13:58,757
him and at the end of the day

2171
01:14:00,543 --> 01:14:00,793
you were using up resources to

2172
01:14:02,278 --> 01:14:02,528
find out that you couldn't place

2173
01:14:02,995 --> 01:14:03,245
him there that was your

2174
01:14:04,747 --> 01:14:04,997
reasoning for not doing that

2175
01:14:06,765 --> 01:14:07,015
what happens to Frank if you're

2176
01:14:08,284 --> 01:14:08,534
not there iss he doing it iss he

2177
01:14:09,018 --> 01:14:09,268
the one that's struggling to

2178
01:14:11,086 --> 01:14:11,336
find it on his own and and ends

2179
01:14:11,737 --> 01:14:11,987
up in the same space you are

2180
01:14:15,024 --> 01:14:15,274
yeah yeah so that that's the

2181
01:14:16,992 --> 01:14:17,242
system and that has to stop I

2182
01:14:19,011 --> 01:14:19,261
agree100% that has to stop

2183
01:14:22,298 --> 01:14:22,548
because10 for you to say and no

2184
01:14:24,316 --> 01:14:24,566
disrespect to you but for me to

2185
01:14:26,535 --> 01:14:26,785
say I'll give you this scenario

2186
01:14:28,537 --> 01:14:28,787
wasn't it was a little while ago

2187
01:14:30,806 --> 01:14:31,056
I like to walk talk on my phone

2188
01:14:32,541 --> 01:14:32,791
I'm down at the library if you

2189
01:14:33,158 --> 01:14:33,408
don't know the library there's a

2190
01:14:34,543 --> 01:14:34,793
lot of folks who are challenged

2191
01:14:36,812 --> 01:14:37,062
with life that sit out there and

2192
01:14:38,514 --> 01:14:38,764
so I'll be texting I'll just

2193
01:14:40,299 --> 01:14:40,549
take it in this young man walks

2194
01:14:41,083 --> 01:14:41,333
up he's got a little child2 3

2195
01:14:41,717 --> 01:14:41,967
years old he's probably3

2196
01:14:43,569 --> 01:14:43,819
32 and I overhear

2197
01:14:46,755 --> 01:14:47,005
overhear him he is distressed

2198
01:14:48,524 --> 01:14:48,774
he's panicked he's on the phone

2199
01:14:51,010 --> 01:14:51,260
he's he's arguing with someone

2200
01:14:52,978 --> 01:14:53,228
because he hasn't gotten

2201
01:14:54,747 --> 01:14:54,997
callbacks he doesn't know what

2202
01:14:55,381 --> 01:14:55,631
to do and so ask him what's up

2203
01:14:58,300 --> 01:14:58,550
come talk to me for a second he

2204
01:15:00,803 --> 01:15:01,053
ends up upstairs fortunately I

2205
01:15:02,438 --> 01:15:02,688
was able to call somebody

2206
01:15:03,005 --> 01:15:03,255
because I'm a senator

2207
01:15:06,475 --> 01:15:06,725
who was able to get somebody to

2208
01:15:07,142 --> 01:15:07,392
pick up the phone

2209
01:15:09,028 --> 01:15:09,278
and what I learned was this guy

2210
01:15:10,829 --> 01:15:11,079
had just been released from the

2211
01:15:12,548 --> 01:15:12,798
department oforrections. the

2212
01:15:14,300 --> 01:15:14,550
mother of the child was in a

2213
01:15:16,552 --> 01:15:16,802
hospital in a heroin induced

2214
01:15:18,454 --> 01:15:18,704
coma of sorts and what's there

2215
01:15:19,121 --> 01:15:19,371
is this

2216
01:15:22,825 --> 01:15:23,075
this child

2217
01:15:26,779 --> 01:15:27,029
he doesn't want any of this and

2218
01:15:27,463 --> 01:15:27,713
a state that's saying

2219
01:15:28,864 --> 01:15:29,114
I don't know what to tell you

2220
01:15:30,899 --> 01:15:31,149
go find a tree in a tent

2221
01:15:35,004 --> 01:15:35,254
and just we got to fix that that

2222
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:38,790
part so I argue about a system

2223
01:15:41,026 --> 01:15:41,276
that I try to use right so in

2224
01:15:43,028 --> 01:15:43,278
that I'm literally invested in

2225
01:15:44,346 --> 01:15:44,596
the system we have

2226
01:15:46,782 --> 01:15:47,032
while at the same time I'm

2227
01:15:47,349 --> 01:15:47,599
complaining about the system

2228
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:48,250
that we have

2229
01:15:50,569 --> 01:15:50,819
and so I hope that's our mission

2230
01:15:51,236 --> 01:15:51,486
as we

2231
01:15:54,540 --> 01:15:54,790
look at a hopepe center and we

2232
01:15:56,275 --> 01:15:56,525
look at dealing with housing

2233
01:15:56,875 --> 01:15:57,125
I've argued 1000 times

2234
01:15:59,128 --> 01:15:59,378
that we've got to have a system

2235
01:15:59,795 --> 01:16:00,045
that looks at

2236
01:16:02,748 --> 01:16:02,998
housing the healthy and

2237
01:16:04,483 --> 01:16:04,733
sheltering the sick

2238
01:16:06,769 --> 01:16:07,019
because they are two different

2239
01:16:07,453 --> 01:16:07,703
things

2240
01:16:10,806 --> 01:16:11,056
and finding a robust system to

2241
01:16:12,758 --> 01:16:13,008
treat the sick while also having

2242
01:16:14,343 --> 01:16:14,593
the ability to lift up those

2243
01:16:14,993 --> 01:16:15,243
that are

2244
01:16:18,530 --> 01:16:18,780
not that are not housed but are

2245
01:16:19,198 --> 01:16:19,448
capable of it

2246
01:16:20,649 --> 01:16:20,899
two different systems you

2247
01:16:23,102 --> 01:16:23,352
that's not fair because all I'm

2248
01:16:23,752 --> 01:16:24,002
doing is just

2249
01:16:26,555 --> 01:16:26,805
talking I'm not helping you but

2250
01:16:28,540 --> 01:16:28,790
I want to help if you guys if we

2251
01:16:29,208 --> 01:16:29,458
can work together I want to help

2252
01:16:32,811 --> 01:16:33,061
24 hours if we got to put

2253
01:16:33,362 --> 01:16:33,612
somebody on call

2254
01:16:36,532 --> 01:16:36,782
I don't know maybe we don't need

2255
01:16:37,232 --> 01:16:37,482
a whole branch of government

2256
01:16:40,335 --> 01:16:40,585
open but maybe we we we pay

2257
01:16:40,936 --> 01:16:41,186
construction workers every

2258
01:16:43,038 --> 01:16:43,288
single day to be on call when

2259
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:45,040
we've got some sort of whatever

2260
01:16:46,792 --> 01:16:47,042
in the middle of the night let's

2261
01:16:48,293 --> 01:16:48,543
pay a couple of folks that can

2262
01:16:48,927 --> 01:16:49,177
just pick up the phone cause I

2263
01:16:49,595 --> 01:16:49,845
don't want my staff

2264
01:16:52,297 --> 01:16:52,547
to have to be the one and I

2265
01:16:54,299 --> 01:16:54,549
don't want Frank to be given

2266
01:16:55,017 --> 01:16:55,267
numbers it's when I talk to

2267
01:16:57,019 --> 01:16:57,269
folks in about what it means to

2268
01:16:58,754 --> 01:16:59,004
be a good public servant one of

2269
01:16:59,388 --> 01:16:59,638
the things they always say is

2270
01:17:00,055 --> 01:17:00,305
this

2271
01:17:02,791 --> 01:17:03,041
never give someone a number to

2272
01:17:04,827 --> 01:17:05,077
call when you can call for them

2273
01:17:05,494 --> 01:17:05,744
they've called you for help

2274
01:17:07,162 --> 01:17:07,412
you can the least you can do

2275
01:17:10,849 --> 01:17:11,099
so let me see if I can help you

2276
01:17:12,568 --> 01:17:12,818
out here expect a call back if

2277
01:17:14,269 --> 01:17:14,519
you don't get one text me or

2278
01:17:16,755 --> 01:17:17,005
text my my help ammy we need to

2279
01:17:18,757 --> 01:17:19,007
build that type of system right

2280
01:17:20,626 --> 01:17:20,876
if we can right or and if we

2281
01:17:21,226 --> 01:17:21,476
can't build it in that's

2282
01:17:22,795 --> 01:17:23,045
entirety where can we build it

2283
01:17:23,462 --> 01:17:23,712
that works

2284
01:17:29,034 --> 01:17:29,284
no offense 10% agree with almost

2285
01:17:29,685 --> 01:17:29,935
everything you said

2286
01:17:34,273 --> 01:17:34,523
I do think that folks who are

2287
01:17:36,792 --> 01:17:37,042
sick can be or as housable as

2288
01:17:38,811 --> 01:17:39,061
folks who are well so maybe we

2289
01:17:40,596 --> 01:17:40,846
can talk about that more offline

2290
01:17:42,815 --> 01:17:43,065
I don't think that there need

2291
01:17:44,299 --> 01:17:44,549
to be two separate systems for

2292
01:17:46,285 --> 01:17:46,535
folks who need treatment and

2293
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:48,570
help and those who don't I think

2294
01:17:49,037 --> 01:17:49,287
everybody can be successful in

2295
01:17:50,589 --> 01:17:50,839
housing with the right services

2296
01:17:52,491 --> 01:17:52,741
and supports which is part of

2297
01:17:53,158 --> 01:17:53,408
the issue

2298
01:17:56,795 --> 01:17:57,045
but I will also say I100% agree

2299
01:17:58,580 --> 01:17:58,830
with you I don't think that the

2300
01:18:00,332 --> 01:18:00,582
way that the system is working

2301
01:18:00,949 --> 01:18:01,199
right now is the way it should

2302
01:18:04,286 --> 01:18:04,536
work I am a member of the

2303
01:18:05,070 --> 01:18:05,320
intergency collaborative

2304
01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:08,540
umrector heckel is the chair of

2305
01:18:09,057 --> 01:18:09,307
the coordinated entry there's a

2306
01:18:10,325 --> 01:18:10,575
whole subcommittee that's

2307
01:18:11,076 --> 01:18:11,326
looking at coordinated entry

2308
01:18:13,078 --> 01:18:13,328
this wholes how do people access

2309
01:18:15,097 --> 01:18:15,347
know how to access get help

2310
01:18:16,815 --> 01:18:17,065
accessing get help navigating

2311
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:18,800
resources that are there for

2312
01:18:20,569 --> 01:18:20,819
people who are homeless and what

2313
01:18:22,304 --> 01:18:22,554
I am hoping and looking at

2314
01:18:22,821 --> 01:18:23,071
the chair that we will get

2315
01:18:23,388 --> 01:18:23,638
out of

2316
01:18:26,525 --> 01:18:26,775
that is a really a dedication to

2317
01:18:27,259 --> 01:18:27,509
redesign and rethink how the

2318
01:18:30,546 --> 01:18:30,796
whole thing works my staff

2319
01:18:31,163 --> 01:18:31,413
who were answering the phone the

2320
01:18:32,781 --> 01:18:33,031
state service center staff who

2321
01:18:33,465 --> 01:18:33,715
are trying to help people

2322
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:35,250
navigate you at the library who

2323
01:18:36,518 --> 01:18:36,768
are it doesn't work for anybody

2324
01:18:38,270 --> 01:18:38,520
it's not working for anybody and

2325
01:18:39,254 --> 01:18:39,504
most importantly not the person

2326
01:18:42,291 --> 01:18:42,541
who needs the help so I agree

2327
01:18:42,991 --> 01:18:43,241
and'm'm really hopeful we can

2328
01:18:43,659 --> 01:18:43,909
put something different

2329
01:18:44,209 --> 01:18:44,459
together.

2330
01:18:48,614 --> 01:18:48,864
any other questions from me

2331
01:18:52,334 --> 01:18:52,584
committee I have a a couple

2332
01:18:56,538 --> 01:18:56,788
the idea of a rental housing

2333
01:18:57,172 --> 01:18:57,422
registry has come up a lot I've

2334
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:58,090
been

2335
01:19:00,576 --> 01:19:00,826
working around it I think you

2336
01:19:02,294 --> 01:19:02,544
have a little bit or a couple

2337
01:19:04,346 --> 01:19:04,596
others just curious for you

2338
01:19:07,082 --> 01:19:07,332
what your perspective is on it

2339
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:09,050
what would it look like what

2340
01:19:09,384 --> 01:19:09,634
would be its purpose?

2341
01:19:20,345 --> 01:19:20,595
I brought this up didn't I? yeah

2342
01:19:24,283 --> 01:19:24,533
I'm the one that brought this up

2343
01:19:24,950 --> 01:19:25,200
didn't

2344
01:19:26,518 --> 01:19:26,768
so you said

2345
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:28,970
so you that as an example I mean

2346
01:19:30,556 --> 01:19:30,806
I think it's not I mean I think

2347
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:31,490
it's

2348
01:19:35,294 --> 01:19:35,544
fairly simple so ok delaware's

2349
01:19:35,961 --> 01:19:36,211
fairly small

2350
01:19:38,764 --> 01:19:39,014
when you talk about a department

2351
01:19:40,749 --> 01:19:40,999
of housings I'm going to get

2352
01:19:42,534 --> 01:19:42,784
there but we need to talk

2353
01:19:43,118 --> 01:19:43,368
about a potential department of

2354
01:19:44,570 --> 01:19:44,820
housing or potential

2355
01:19:46,788 --> 01:19:47,038
reorganization of how housing is

2356
01:19:47,489 --> 01:19:47,739
addressed in the state

2357
01:19:52,761 --> 01:19:53,011
some version of reorganization

2358
01:19:53,412 --> 01:19:53,662
makes sense to me

2359
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:55,330
like it doesn't make sense to me

2360
01:19:58,300 --> 01:19:58,550
and it wouldn't make sense to me

2361
01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:00,569
that like the same entity that's

2362
01:20:01,019 --> 01:20:01,269
like the housing finance agency

2363
01:20:02,487 --> 01:20:02,737
for the state that's really

2364
01:20:03,071 --> 01:20:03,321
focused on like getting the

2365
01:20:04,756 --> 01:20:05,006
dollars out leveraging the low

2366
01:20:06,775 --> 01:20:07,025
income housing tax credit like

2367
01:20:08,327 --> 01:20:08,577
getting the apartments you know

2368
01:20:10,345 --> 01:20:10,595
multifamily apartments built is

2369
01:20:12,564 --> 01:20:12,814
the same entity that would

2370
01:20:14,549 --> 01:20:14,799
handle like a rental registry

2371
01:20:16,301 --> 01:20:16,551
because those are really

2372
01:20:18,537 --> 01:20:18,787
different functions not that it

2373
01:20:19,221 --> 01:20:19,471
can't be but

2374
01:20:22,274 --> 01:20:22,524
I think there are some like

2375
01:20:22,958 --> 01:20:23,208
really clear housing functions

2376
01:20:24,726 --> 01:20:24,976
that are needed housing

2377
01:20:25,294 --> 01:20:25,544
authority

2378
01:20:27,379 --> 01:20:27,629
is very different than housing

2379
01:20:28,764 --> 01:20:29,014
fining agency which is really

2380
01:20:29,448 --> 01:20:29,698
different than an entity that

2381
01:20:30,599 --> 01:20:30,849
would do something like have a

2382
01:20:32,551 --> 01:20:32,801
rental registry and maybe act as

2383
01:20:34,586 --> 01:20:34,836
like an ombudsman for housing

2384
01:20:35,254 --> 01:20:35,504
problems so

2385
01:20:38,507 --> 01:20:38,757
some of that happens at the

2386
01:20:40,525 --> 01:20:40,775
local level I think through

2387
01:20:43,011 --> 01:20:43,261
like license and inspection or

2388
01:20:44,730 --> 01:20:44,980
like city government but local

2389
01:20:46,498 --> 01:20:46,748
governments are so taxed that

2390
01:20:47,099 --> 01:20:47,349
they think a lot of what's

2391
01:20:47,683 --> 01:20:47,933
happening when folks have

2392
01:20:48,784 --> 01:20:49,034
housing issues is that they're

2393
01:20:50,552 --> 01:20:50,802
looking to the state for help

2394
01:20:52,271 --> 01:20:52,521
and there's just like they're

2395
01:20:54,273 --> 01:20:54,523
not getting that help with their

2396
01:20:56,291 --> 01:20:56,541
housing issue and so in my mind

2397
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:58,810
a rental registry served so that

2398
01:20:59,211 --> 01:20:59,461
at any given time we can say

2399
01:21:01,029 --> 01:21:01,279
so it serves to me a client

2400
01:21:04,266 --> 01:21:04,516
service customer service purpose

2401
01:21:05,017 --> 01:21:05,267
iss that a dog yeah

2402
01:21:08,770 --> 01:21:09,020
it serves a customer service

2403
01:21:10,572 --> 01:21:10,822
purpose from that perspective

2404
01:21:12,274 --> 01:21:12,524
but also like a policy purpose

2405
01:21:14,543 --> 01:21:14,793
like we can say like we know who

2406
01:21:15,260 --> 01:21:15,510
like what properties out there

2407
01:21:16,878 --> 01:21:17,128
are taking

2408
01:21:17,128 --> 01:21:17,378
subsidies

2409
01:21:20,816 --> 01:21:21,066
and we want to partner with them

2410
01:21:22,301 --> 01:21:22,551
to like solve family

2411
01:21:23,035 --> 01:21:23,285
homelessness making that up but

2412
01:21:24,786 --> 01:21:25,036
it would just let us know the

2413
01:21:26,521 --> 01:21:26,771
landscape of what exists out

2414
01:21:28,290 --> 01:21:28,540
there in the rental world in a

2415
01:21:30,292 --> 01:21:30,542
similar way that I think maybe

2416
01:21:32,277 --> 01:21:32,527
maybe we know the homeownership

2417
01:21:34,763 --> 01:21:35,013
landscape a little better so

2418
01:21:35,397 --> 01:21:35,647
that's the way I think of a

2419
01:21:35,947 --> 01:21:36,197
rental registry.

2420
01:21:40,535 --> 01:21:40,785
and this could be something tied

2421
01:21:41,303 --> 01:21:41,553
in with the realtors because

2422
01:21:42,804 --> 01:21:43,054
they know where the apartments

2423
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:45,290
are maybe I mean you all don't

2424
01:21:46,558 --> 01:21:46,808
work with like large multifamily

2425
01:21:48,327 --> 01:21:48,577
actors as much do you you're

2426
01:21:48,977 --> 01:21:49,227
more like small

2427
01:21:52,297 --> 01:21:52,547
I don't know

2428
01:21:54,499 --> 01:21:54,749
they're very I don't think they

2429
01:21:55,200 --> 01:21:55,450
they don't want a rental

2430
01:21:55,767 --> 01:21:56,017
registry

2431
01:21:58,570 --> 01:21:58,820
I don't think they would agree

2432
01:21:59,221 --> 01:21:59,471
with me on that

2433
01:22:04,509 --> 01:22:04,759
there is a part of your written

2434
01:22:06,294 --> 01:22:06,544
testimony that says

2435
01:22:08,497 --> 01:22:08,747
that

2436
01:22:11,049 --> 01:22:11,299
the housing authority portions

2437
01:22:13,235 --> 01:22:13,485
should stay separate from any

2438
01:22:13,902 --> 01:22:14,152
entity

2439
01:22:17,055 --> 01:22:17,305
I don't have a take either way

2440
01:22:18,507 --> 01:22:18,757
on that just curious why you

2441
01:22:19,107 --> 01:22:19,357
felt like we should definitely

2442
01:22:19,791 --> 01:22:20,041
say that

2443
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:20,959
it just

2444
01:22:24,813 --> 01:22:25,063
I just think that

2445
01:22:30,368 --> 01:22:30,618
sorector heckles is wonderful. I

2446
01:22:31,069 --> 01:22:31,319
think he wears too many hats

2447
01:22:34,506 --> 01:22:34,756
I love that he wears the hats

2448
01:22:35,207 --> 01:22:35,457
that he wears when I'm talking

2449
01:22:36,775 --> 01:22:37,025
to him because he's great but to

2450
01:22:37,459 --> 01:22:37,709
me I just

2451
01:22:40,328 --> 01:22:40,578
don't understand why like in

2452
01:22:41,029 --> 01:22:41,279
housing finance agency and a

2453
01:22:42,998 --> 01:22:43,248
housing authority they're just

2454
01:22:44,566 --> 01:22:44,816
so different like why not just

2455
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:45,500
every other housing authority in

2456
01:22:46,535 --> 01:22:46,785
the state is a separate entity

2457
01:22:47,219 --> 01:22:47,469
with its own director and its

2458
01:22:48,737 --> 01:22:48,987
own board and like just like go

2459
01:22:49,337 --> 01:22:49,587
like do that and let

2460
01:22:52,507 --> 01:22:52,757
whatever it's called whether

2461
01:22:53,091 --> 01:22:53,341
it's well you probably have to

2462
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:55,010
change the name of DSHA to

2463
01:22:56,261 --> 01:22:56,511
something different because now

2464
01:22:56,928 --> 01:22:57,178
it wouldn't be a housing

2465
01:22:58,296 --> 01:22:58,546
authority but and think that's

2466
01:22:59,014 --> 01:22:59,264
part of what's confusing about

2467
01:23:02,300 --> 01:23:02,550
DSHA is that it's like

2468
01:23:04,286 --> 01:23:04,536
performing multiple functions

2469
01:23:05,020 --> 01:23:05,270
it's called a housing authority

2470
01:23:06,972 --> 01:23:07,222
when most of what it does I

2471
01:23:08,774 --> 01:23:09,024
don't know about most a lot of

2472
01:23:10,542 --> 01:23:10,792
what it does is not be a housing

2473
01:23:12,527 --> 01:23:12,777
authority. there's only this one

2474
01:23:13,278 --> 01:23:13,528
part of it that is actually a

2475
01:23:13,945 --> 01:23:14,195
housing authority

2476
01:23:16,765 --> 01:23:17,015
I don't know it just doesn't

2477
01:23:18,300 --> 01:23:18,550
make sense to me and then I

2478
01:23:20,318 --> 01:23:20,568
think you could have like a

2479
01:23:20,919 --> 01:23:21,169
director of the southern

2480
01:23:22,537 --> 01:23:22,787
delawarehousing Authority in the

2481
01:23:23,288 --> 01:23:23,538
same way you have a director of

2482
01:23:24,506 --> 01:23:24,756
the Wilmington housing Authority

2483
01:23:25,257 --> 01:23:25,507
and the newcastle County Housing

2484
01:23:26,274 --> 01:23:26,524
Authority and the doverhousing

2485
01:23:26,908 --> 01:23:27,158
Authority that would be its own

2486
01:23:28,794 --> 01:23:29,044
separate entity doesn't need to

2487
01:23:30,328 --> 01:23:30,578
be part of the state

2488
01:23:30,779 --> 01:23:31,029
infrastructure in my opinion.

2489
01:23:35,016 --> 01:23:35,266
then I kind of have a

2490
01:23:36,501 --> 01:23:36,751
interesting way of asking the

2491
01:23:38,253 --> 01:23:38,503
next question which might feel

2492
01:23:38,954 --> 01:23:39,204
like I'm putting you on the spot

2493
01:23:40,305 --> 01:23:40,555
a little but it's not

2494
01:23:40,755 --> 01:23:41,005
intentional

2495
01:23:45,043 --> 01:23:45,293
so I come from the community

2496
01:23:46,795 --> 01:23:47,045
organizing world right and we

2497
01:23:48,296 --> 01:23:48,546
have a theory of change of

2498
01:23:50,332 --> 01:23:50,582
working your s way out of a job

2499
01:23:52,517 --> 01:23:52,767
right and so in your space of

2500
01:23:54,803 --> 01:23:55,053
of homelessness what are the top

2501
01:23:56,288 --> 01:23:56,538
three reasons you're still

2502
01:23:56,972 --> 01:23:57,222
employed in this space of ending

2503
01:23:58,306 --> 01:23:58,556
homelessness and the

2504
01:24:00,725 --> 01:24:00,975
the follow up question to that

2505
01:24:01,409 --> 01:24:01,659
would be

2506
01:24:04,779 --> 01:24:05,029
what do we have to do like what

2507
01:24:06,832 --> 01:24:07,082
is the top thing that we have to

2508
01:24:07,466 --> 01:24:07,716
do to

2509
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:09,300
make you unemployed in this

2510
01:24:09,618 --> 01:24:09,868
space.

2511
01:24:14,289 --> 01:24:14,539
yeah no no no offense taken at

2512
01:24:14,956 --> 01:24:15,206
all

2513
01:24:16,992 --> 01:24:17,242
no offense taken at all I talk

2514
01:24:18,577 --> 01:24:18,827
about retirement a lot for

2515
01:24:19,261 --> 01:24:19,511
someone who's not near

2516
01:24:19,711 --> 01:24:19,961
retirement yet

2517
01:24:24,299 --> 01:24:24,549
so something that we've

2518
01:24:26,518 --> 01:24:26,768
talked a lot about in our space

2519
01:24:27,169 --> 01:24:27,419
is that we should all be working

2520
01:24:29,004 --> 01:24:29,254
to put ourselves out of a job

2521
01:24:30,589 --> 01:24:30,839
so that's I don't take offense

2522
01:24:31,256 --> 01:24:31,506
to that at all

2523
01:24:34,342 --> 01:24:34,592
so it's a two part question why

2524
01:24:34,993 --> 01:24:35,243
do I still have a job

2525
01:24:37,062 --> 01:24:37,312
homelessness keeps growing

2526
01:24:42,784 --> 01:24:43,034
a lot of the work that our

2527
01:24:43,318 --> 01:24:43,568
non so homelessness keeps

2528
01:24:43,885 --> 01:24:44,135
growing

2529
01:24:46,988 --> 01:24:47,238
a lot of the work that our

2530
01:24:48,757 --> 01:24:49,007
organization does is work that

2531
01:24:50,525 --> 01:24:50,775
has to happen so either we're

2532
01:24:51,126 --> 01:24:51,376
going to do it or someone else

2533
01:24:52,744 --> 01:24:52,994
is going to do it we've been the

2534
01:24:53,395 --> 01:24:53,645
ones doing it since

2535
01:24:56,281 --> 01:24:56,531
and actually director heckles

2536
01:24:57,015 --> 01:24:57,265
might know some of this history.

2537
01:24:58,517 --> 01:24:58,767
When did the homemelesslanning

2538
01:24:59,100 --> 01:24:59,350
council start doing all that

2539
01:25:00,335 --> 01:25:00,585
like infrastructure COC work do

2540
01:25:01,002 --> 01:25:01,252
you know

2541
01:25:02,888 --> 01:25:03,138
ar th ack passed in

2542
01:25:07,008 --> 01:25:07,258
right

2543
01:25:08,977 --> 01:25:09,227
so since that time there's been

2544
01:25:12,781 --> 01:25:13,031
a need for the state of delaware

2545
01:25:14,266 --> 01:25:14,516
and other places it's county

2546
01:25:14,983 --> 01:25:15,233
level you know because we're

2547
01:25:16,568 --> 01:25:16,818
small like soilly has its own

2548
01:25:20,322 --> 01:25:20,572
COC there's a western

2549
01:25:22,274 --> 01:25:22,524
PennsylvaniaOC there's a city of

2550
01:25:23,058 --> 01:25:23,308
phoenix CUC California has a

2551
01:25:24,793 --> 01:25:25,043
million COCs in delaware it's

2552
01:25:27,262 --> 01:25:27,512
just the delaware we have one we

2553
01:25:28,813 --> 01:25:29,063
have to have someone has to do

2554
01:25:30,815 --> 01:25:31,065
that job and that has been us

2555
01:25:32,517 --> 01:25:32,767
since2009 or2010

2556
01:25:36,321 --> 01:25:36,571
so that's two

2557
01:25:39,674 --> 01:25:39,924
Can I just do two

2558
01:25:43,061 --> 01:25:43,311
that's if that's what you think

2559
01:25:46,598 --> 01:25:46,848
it takes yes I think he said

2560
01:25:48,300 --> 01:25:48,550
but I'm going to stick with two

2561
01:25:50,318 --> 01:25:50,568
and then the second part of the

2562
01:25:51,036 --> 01:25:51,286
question was the three things

2563
01:25:52,938 --> 01:25:53,188
we should do

2564
01:26:04,766 --> 01:26:05,016
h

2565
01:26:07,285 --> 01:26:07,535
trying to phone a friend I

2566
01:26:08,553 --> 01:26:08,803
want to make sure I say the

2567
01:26:10,522 --> 01:26:10,772
things I'm gonna whatever I say

2568
01:26:12,557 --> 01:26:12,807
I'm going to regrett regret it

2569
01:26:13,224 --> 01:26:13,474
don't gret it we're not holding

2570
01:26:14,809 --> 01:26:15,059
you know you can leave and say

2571
01:26:15,477 --> 01:26:15,727
hey we changed it yeah

2572
01:26:20,999 --> 01:26:21,249
this is my chance ok I would

2573
01:26:22,267 --> 01:26:22,517
say we need to

2574
01:26:26,972 --> 01:26:27,222
rapidly produced more affordable

2575
01:26:27,639 --> 01:26:27,889
housing

2576
01:26:30,992 --> 01:26:31,242
rental housing in particular

2577
01:26:32,777 --> 01:26:33,027
it'll bring everything down

2578
01:26:34,763 --> 01:26:35,013
think the new homeowner market

2579
01:26:36,748 --> 01:26:36,998
will open up rapidly produce

2580
01:26:38,817 --> 01:26:39,067
more affordable rental housing

2581
01:26:42,487 --> 01:26:42,737
we need to

2582
01:26:44,823 --> 01:26:45,073
focus on getting people

2583
01:26:48,827 --> 01:26:49,077
out of the homelessness system

2584
01:26:51,129 --> 01:26:51,379
quickly versus getting them into

2585
01:26:52,831 --> 01:26:53,081
the homelessness system quickly

2586
01:26:54,699 --> 01:26:54,949
or both

2587
01:26:56,985 --> 01:26:57,235
but I think what we've been

2588
01:26:58,737 --> 01:26:58,987
focusing on in delaware for many

2589
01:27:00,538 --> 01:27:00,788
many years has been getting how

2590
01:27:01,256 --> 01:27:01,506
to get people in versus how to

2591
01:27:03,008 --> 01:27:03,258
get people out so we either

2592
01:27:06,311 --> 01:27:06,561
need to kind of switch or or try

2593
01:27:06,945 --> 01:27:07,195
to make sure we're doing both at

2594
01:27:07,595 --> 01:27:07,845
the same time

2595
01:27:08,313 --> 01:27:08,563
and

2596
01:27:15,020 --> 01:27:15,270
I think we need a statewide

2597
01:27:16,271 --> 01:27:16,521
emergency rental assistance

2598
01:27:16,821 --> 01:27:17,071
program.

2599
01:27:21,292 --> 01:27:21,542
so that people we have about70%

2600
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:22,810
of people who experience

2601
01:27:24,312 --> 01:27:24,562
homelessness in delaware and on

2602
01:27:25,013 --> 01:27:25,263
any given year are people who

2603
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:25,930
are newly homeless

2604
01:27:28,533 --> 01:27:28,783
and have not been homeless

2605
01:27:30,585 --> 01:27:30,835
before and if we can keep people

2606
01:27:31,302 --> 01:27:31,552
housed and keep them from

2607
01:27:32,737 --> 01:27:32,987
becoming homeless we can have

2608
01:27:36,524 --> 01:27:36,774
more resources to address folks

2609
01:27:37,258 --> 01:27:37,508
who can't get out of it without

2610
01:27:37,909 --> 01:27:38,159
help

2611
01:27:42,764 --> 01:27:43,014
that's3

2612
01:27:43,198 --> 01:27:43,448
what is affordable housing

2613
01:27:46,534 --> 01:27:46,784
because everybody has different

2614
01:27:48,787 --> 01:27:49,037
definitions so affordable

2615
01:27:50,321 --> 01:27:50,571
housing

2616
01:27:52,757 --> 01:27:53,007
director Edjill you were on

2617
01:27:53,391 --> 01:27:53,641
the task force too didnn't we

2618
01:27:54,576 --> 01:27:54,826
decide what affordable housing

2619
01:27:55,276 --> 01:27:55,526
meant on the affordable housing

2620
01:27:57,062 --> 01:27:57,312
production task force so we

2621
01:27:59,047 --> 01:27:59,297
decided it was a housing that

2622
01:28:03,068 --> 01:28:03,318
was affordable for households at

2623
01:28:08,289 --> 01:28:08,539
80% AMI and below for rental and

2624
01:28:12,293 --> 01:28:12,543
for homeownership100% dammn so

2625
01:28:13,244 --> 01:28:13,494
close120% AI and below and

2626
01:28:13,795 --> 01:28:14,045
affordable means

2627
01:28:16,748 --> 01:28:16,998
it's all based on your income so

2628
01:28:17,449 --> 01:28:17,699
for every person it's different

2629
01:28:18,583 --> 01:28:18,833
rental

2630
01:28:24,255 --> 01:28:24,505
and12 for homeownership of the

2631
01:28:26,775 --> 01:28:27,025
area median income so the

2632
01:28:28,510 --> 01:28:28,760
unit is affordable to you if you

2633
01:28:29,177 --> 01:28:29,427
are making that

2634
01:28:30,395 --> 01:28:30,645
wage or below

2635
01:28:32,964 --> 01:28:33,214
and affordable means you're not

2636
01:28:34,516 --> 01:28:34,766
spending more than30% of your

2637
01:28:35,183 --> 01:28:35,433
income on housing costs'll just

2638
01:28:38,303 --> 01:28:38,553
add that that taskor report

2639
01:28:40,772 --> 01:28:41,022
mattchott did a a sort of

2640
01:28:42,490 --> 01:28:42,740
spreadsheet showing what that

2641
01:28:44,275 --> 01:28:44,525
means in different the three

2642
01:28:44,959 --> 01:28:45,209
counties in delaware and sort of

2643
01:28:46,294 --> 01:28:46,544
has some examples of what the

2644
01:28:46,861 --> 01:28:47,111
rent would be or the home

2645
01:28:47,429 --> 01:28:47,679
ownership

2646
01:28:50,598 --> 01:28:50,848
mortgage cost would be so that's

2647
01:28:52,317 --> 01:28:52,567
a really good resource to

2648
01:28:53,067 --> 01:28:53,317
something we should pull out and

2649
01:28:54,803 --> 01:28:55,053
share more widely and probably

2650
01:28:56,287 --> 01:28:56,537
should update it you know

2651
01:28:57,055 --> 01:28:57,305
whenever new census numbers come

2652
01:28:59,007 --> 01:28:59,257
out or or whatever but that that

2653
01:29:01,309 --> 01:29:01,559
kind of gives you a sense of I'm

2654
01:29:03,027 --> 01:29:03,277
very sad that I did not memorize

2655
01:29:05,063 --> 01:29:05,313
that that spreadsheet but I mean

2656
01:29:08,299 --> 01:29:08,549
but it's you know so it's it's

2657
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:09,200
it's it's powerful to

2658
01:29:13,254 --> 01:29:13,504
and then the next fellow the

2659
01:29:16,791 --> 01:29:17,041
getting them in quickly is one

2660
01:29:18,293 --> 01:29:18,543
thing but when you say getting

2661
01:29:18,977 --> 01:29:19,227
them out how

2662
01:29:20,795 --> 01:29:21,045
how long are you saying people

2663
01:29:22,781 --> 01:29:23,031
are staying and what is our our

2664
01:29:25,033 --> 01:29:25,283
failure in in moving them on to

2665
01:29:28,753 --> 01:29:29,003
the next phase in life so our

2666
01:29:30,572 --> 01:29:30,822
failure I think is both approach

2667
01:29:31,239 --> 01:29:31,489
and resources so

2668
01:29:34,959 --> 01:29:35,209
a lot of people who become

2669
01:29:35,527 --> 01:29:35,777
homeless

2670
01:29:38,796 --> 01:29:39,046
their homelessness can be solved

2671
01:29:39,447 --> 01:29:39,697
fairly quickly

2672
01:29:44,302 --> 01:29:44,552
right away if we if someone is

2673
01:29:44,969 --> 01:29:45,219
at that front door instead of

2674
01:29:45,637 --> 01:29:45,887
working on like

2675
01:29:48,289 --> 01:29:48,539
not that they don't need access

2676
01:29:48,990 --> 01:29:49,240
to safe shelter but instead of

2677
01:29:49,641 --> 01:29:49,891
working on

2678
01:29:50,592 --> 01:29:50,842
you know we're spending

2679
01:29:53,061 --> 01:29:53,311
we're doing an intake we're

2680
01:29:54,796 --> 01:29:55,046
assessing all your service needs

2681
01:29:56,297 --> 01:29:56,547
you're going to be here for30

2682
01:29:58,800 --> 01:29:59,050
to90 days or120 days or whatever

2683
01:30:00,318 --> 01:30:00,568
the program is and we're going

2684
01:30:00,919 --> 01:30:01,169
to be working on all this stuff

2685
01:30:03,238 --> 01:30:03,488
to get like the assessment is ok

2686
01:30:04,556 --> 01:30:04,806
we're going to talk about all

2687
01:30:06,541 --> 01:30:06,791
that stuff but like where did

2688
01:30:07,158 --> 01:30:07,408
you live most recently? have you

2689
01:30:09,060 --> 01:30:09,310
ever been homeless before? What

2690
01:30:10,829 --> 01:30:11,079
is do you have a housing plan?

2691
01:30:12,580 --> 01:30:12,830
what it like how do we get you

2692
01:30:14,282 --> 01:30:14,532
connected to a housing whether

2693
01:30:15,266 --> 01:30:15,516
that's a voucher program or a

2694
01:30:17,068 --> 01:30:17,318
like like Srap or a public

2695
01:30:19,053 --> 01:30:19,303
housing authority voucher or a

2696
01:30:20,588 --> 01:30:20,838
continuum of care rapid

2697
01:30:21,122 --> 01:30:21,372
rehousing voucher or like what

2698
01:30:21,806 --> 01:30:22,056
are

2699
01:30:23,041 --> 01:30:23,291
the potential resources for you

2700
01:30:24,542 --> 01:30:24,792
and how are we getting you

2701
01:30:26,294 --> 01:30:26,544
connected to that as quickly as

2702
01:30:28,313 --> 01:30:28,563
possible which is a different

2703
01:30:30,315 --> 01:30:30,565
lens than how are we making sure

2704
01:30:31,065 --> 01:30:31,315
that you are successful in our

2705
01:30:31,716 --> 01:30:31,966
program

2706
01:30:34,319 --> 01:30:34,569
right we don't want you in our

2707
01:30:35,053 --> 01:30:35,303
program we want to be out of a

2708
01:30:38,756 --> 01:30:39,006
job right we want you in housing

2709
01:30:39,407 --> 01:30:39,657
in the community with your

2710
01:30:39,958 --> 01:30:40,208
family

2711
01:30:44,262 --> 01:30:44,512
right so obviously we wouldn't

2712
01:30:44,963 --> 01:30:45,213
take people we don't want them

2713
01:30:46,548 --> 01:30:46,798
in our programs but you

2714
01:30:47,098 --> 01:30:47,348
understand what I'm saying

2715
01:30:48,366 --> 01:30:48,616
so are are we

2716
01:30:52,287 --> 01:30:52,537
we spoke to somebody else had

2717
01:30:52,971 --> 01:30:53,221
similar feelings to what you had

2718
01:30:54,973 --> 01:30:55,223
so I don't want to fill in your

2719
01:30:56,541 --> 01:30:56,791
thoughts with their thoughts but

2720
01:31:00,812 --> 01:31:01,062
are you finding that that

2721
01:31:02,964 --> 01:31:03,214
success rate has to do with

2722
01:31:04,499 --> 01:31:04,749
knowledgeba like maybe not

2723
01:31:06,517 --> 01:31:06,767
knowing how to budget and how to

2724
01:31:07,218 --> 01:31:07,468
deal with you know emergencies

2725
01:31:10,822 --> 01:31:11,072
sooner maybe a family history

2726
01:31:13,007 --> 01:31:13,257
of you know homelessness cycles

2727
01:31:14,993 --> 01:31:15,243
etc and dependency on systems

2728
01:31:18,279 --> 01:31:18,529
and are are you suggesting at

2729
01:31:20,348 --> 01:31:20,598
all that we build into it the

2730
01:31:22,317 --> 01:31:22,567
ability to create maybe like

2731
01:31:23,017 --> 01:31:23,267
resilience and in that education

2732
01:31:24,786 --> 01:31:25,036
piece that allows you to to move

2733
01:31:27,005 --> 01:31:27,255
past homelessness but I don't

2734
01:31:27,672 --> 01:31:27,922
think that has

2735
01:31:30,308 --> 01:31:30,558
to hap that can happen at the

2736
01:31:31,059 --> 01:31:31,309
same time that you're working on

2737
01:31:32,760 --> 01:31:33,010
housing it doesn't have to be

2738
01:31:33,428 --> 01:31:33,678
one or the other

2739
01:31:38,533 --> 01:31:38,783
if we have the resources right

2740
01:31:39,167 --> 01:31:39,417
so and the other thing is

2741
01:31:39,734 --> 01:31:39,984
everyone

2742
01:31:42,537 --> 01:31:42,787
in my experience I like to say

2743
01:31:43,137 --> 01:31:43,387
that there are two things that

2744
01:31:44,522 --> 01:31:44,772
someone who is experiencing

2745
01:31:46,274 --> 01:31:46,524
homelessness has in common with

2746
01:31:46,991 --> 01:31:47,241
they all that everyone has in

2747
01:31:47,659 --> 01:31:47,909
common who's experiencing

2748
01:31:48,209 --> 01:31:48,459
homelessness

2749
01:31:50,795 --> 01:31:51,045
they don't have housing and

2750
01:31:52,497 --> 01:31:52,747
money for housing like otherwise

2751
01:31:53,164 --> 01:31:53,414
they

2752
01:31:56,534 --> 01:31:56,784
have housing and they don't

2753
01:31:58,786 --> 01:31:59,036
have a support network of some

2754
01:32:00,338 --> 01:32:00,588
somehow their support network

2755
01:32:01,072 --> 01:32:01,322
has fallen aparthe that's family

2756
01:32:01,739 --> 01:32:01,989
friends

2757
01:32:04,525 --> 01:32:04,775
whether it's because they were

2758
01:32:05,143 --> 01:32:05,393
recently incarcerated whatever

2759
01:32:06,794 --> 01:32:07,044
the reason is their support

2760
01:32:08,262 --> 01:32:08,512
network is falling apart

2761
01:32:10,331 --> 01:32:10,581
and those are the only two

2762
01:32:11,132 --> 01:32:11,382
things so part of what it is too

2763
01:32:11,783 --> 01:32:12,033
is having

2764
01:32:14,302 --> 01:32:14,552
like so when we talk about the

2765
01:32:14,969 --> 01:32:15,219
continuum of care we talk about

2766
01:32:18,506 --> 01:32:18,756
thesecri programs having the

2767
01:32:20,558 --> 01:32:20,808
resources within that system to

2768
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:23,010
address everyone's needs as they

2769
01:32:23,461 --> 01:32:23,711
are coming in because you're

2770
01:32:25,046 --> 01:32:25,296
going to have people who have

2771
01:32:26,781 --> 01:32:27,031
been housing insecure and

2772
01:32:28,866 --> 01:32:29,116
homeless for many many years and

2773
01:32:30,785 --> 01:32:31,035
you're going to have people who

2774
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:32,770
and aren't allowed back at

2775
01:32:34,539 --> 01:32:34,789
the shelter and that inter what

2776
01:32:36,307 --> 01:32:36,557
the services and housing that

2777
01:32:38,309 --> 01:32:38,559
come to rank are going to be

2778
01:32:38,860 --> 01:32:39,110
different than what is needed

2779
01:32:39,544 --> 01:32:39,794
for

2780
01:32:43,014 --> 01:32:43,264
Suzanne and who's never been

2781
01:32:43,681 --> 01:32:43,931
homeless before and she

2782
01:32:48,286 --> 01:32:48,536
lost her job at the hospital and

2783
01:32:48,987 --> 01:32:49,237
couldn't pay rent and'm making

2784
01:32:49,671 --> 01:32:49,921
that up

2785
01:32:54,542 --> 01:32:54,792
so it's having a right now most

2786
01:32:57,011 --> 01:32:57,261
not all but in many cases and

2787
01:32:57,679 --> 01:32:57,929
a lot of homeless assistance

2788
01:32:58,980 --> 01:32:59,230
programs people are working to

2789
01:32:59,664 --> 01:32:59,914
keep people safe

2790
01:33:02,300 --> 01:33:02,550
that is the they have the

2791
01:33:03,034 --> 01:33:03,284
capacity to work to keep people

2792
01:33:04,969 --> 01:33:05,219
safe and indoors

2793
01:33:08,740 --> 01:33:08,990
they do not in many cases have

2794
01:33:10,575 --> 01:33:10,825
the capacity to work to get

2795
01:33:12,543 --> 01:33:12,793
people to the housing and

2796
01:33:13,111 --> 01:33:13,361
services they need because they

2797
01:33:14,729 --> 01:33:14,979
are focused on keeping people

2798
01:33:16,330 --> 01:33:16,580
safe. so it's also a resource

2799
01:33:16,981 --> 01:33:17,231
issue and a capacity issue.

2800
01:33:21,002 --> 01:33:21,252
then I think my final question

2801
01:33:22,487 --> 01:33:22,737
is when you mention the

2802
01:33:24,272 --> 01:33:24,522
statewide rental assistance

2803
01:33:24,822 --> 01:33:25,072
program

2804
01:33:28,776 --> 01:33:29,026
don't we already kind of have

2805
01:33:32,296 --> 01:33:32,546
something I feel like we are

2806
01:33:32,930 --> 01:33:33,180
always sending people to a

2807
01:33:34,515 --> 01:33:34,765
certain place sometimes we send

2808
01:33:37,018 --> 01:33:37,268
them to nonprofits etc but again

2809
01:33:38,836 --> 01:33:39,086
what is what is it that we're

2810
01:33:40,822 --> 01:33:41,072
emergency rental assistance

2811
01:33:42,807 --> 01:33:43,057
sorry to clarify so for folks

2812
01:33:44,542 --> 01:33:44,792
who are facing eviction or

2813
01:33:46,544 --> 01:33:46,794
housing instability so kind of

2814
01:33:48,596 --> 01:33:48,846
like we had during covid

2815
01:33:49,163 --> 01:33:49,413
although it could be

2816
01:33:50,998 --> 01:33:51,248
a little different in terms

2817
01:33:52,767 --> 01:33:53,017
of how it's managed but one

2818
01:33:56,254 --> 01:33:56,504
place ok deputy secretary is

2819
01:33:56,904 --> 01:33:57,154
nodding one place where folks

2820
01:33:57,488 --> 01:33:57,738
can go to get their

2821
01:34:02,510 --> 01:34:02,760
past due rent paid so that they

2822
01:34:03,161 --> 01:34:03,411
don't have to lose their housing

2823
01:34:07,131 --> 01:34:07,381
the way that the that system

2824
01:34:08,716 --> 01:34:08,966
works right now is that there

2825
01:34:10,518 --> 01:34:10,768
are a lot of different entities

2826
01:34:11,169 --> 01:34:11,419
similar to I think everything

2827
01:34:12,487 --> 01:34:12,737
we've been talking about today

2828
01:34:13,137 --> 01:34:13,387
there are a lot of different

2829
01:34:14,756 --> 01:34:15,006
entities that do a little bit

2830
01:34:15,423 --> 01:34:15,673
so

2831
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:18,959
right now you go to the state

2832
01:34:20,294 --> 01:34:20,544
serviceent you may or may not

2833
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:22,530
qualify for some there's some

2834
01:34:22,914 --> 01:34:23,164
type of emergency assistance

2835
01:34:24,715 --> 01:34:24,965
available there. the emergency

2836
01:34:26,684 --> 01:34:26,934
assistance but it's500

2837
01:34:27,218 --> 01:34:27,468
dollars4 dollars

2838
01:34:31,005 --> 01:34:31,255
think it's about1200 dollars10

2839
01:34:32,807 --> 01:34:33,057
dollars that does that include

2840
01:34:33,491 --> 01:34:33,741
the hotel motel stay

2841
01:34:36,511 --> 01:34:36,761
that is that is the the that's

2842
01:34:38,296 --> 01:34:38,546
the that is the hotel motel

2843
01:34:40,982 --> 01:34:41,232
voucher roughly1200 and it buys

2844
01:34:44,285 --> 01:34:44,535
maybe221 days at the most can

2845
01:34:44,919 --> 01:34:45,169
any of that be used for back

2846
01:34:45,586 --> 01:34:45,836
rent?

2847
01:34:46,954 --> 01:34:47,204
I thought there were some cases

2848
01:34:47,622 --> 01:34:47,872
where folks could get back rent

2849
01:34:54,762 --> 01:34:55,012
anyway now'm like program so

2850
01:34:56,497 --> 01:34:56,747
there you know you can go there

2851
01:34:58,733 --> 01:34:58,983
through there's some places

2852
01:34:59,283 --> 01:34:59,533
in DHSS where you can get

2853
01:35:02,770 --> 01:35:03,020
some background mostly you're

2854
01:35:04,255 --> 01:35:04,505
going to cattholic

2855
01:35:06,257 --> 01:35:06,507
charitieslutheranunityervices

2856
01:35:06,908 --> 01:35:07,158
sometimes west end

2857
01:35:07,291 --> 01:35:07,541
neighborighborhood house I don't

2858
01:35:07,959 --> 01:35:08,209
know if they still do it or not

2859
01:35:10,311 --> 01:35:10,561
and so you're going to these

2860
01:35:11,028 --> 01:35:11,278
nonprofits that are getting

2861
01:35:14,732 --> 01:35:14,982
funded in large part bydSHA I

2862
01:35:16,517 --> 01:35:16,767
think but also their private

2863
01:35:18,269 --> 01:35:18,519
organizations they raise funds

2864
01:35:20,304 --> 01:35:20,554
or you know of a local church in

2865
01:35:22,273 --> 01:35:22,523
your community because you're a

2866
01:35:22,974 --> 01:35:23,224
member of the church and you can

2867
01:35:23,658 --> 01:35:23,908
go there and they'll help you

2868
01:35:26,511 --> 01:35:26,761
but if you're not you're you're

2869
01:35:27,161 --> 01:35:27,411
calling one of these nonprofits

2870
01:35:28,746 --> 01:35:28,996
in this place Owen Friendship

2871
01:35:30,531 --> 01:35:30,781
House and this place is saying

2872
01:35:32,533 --> 01:35:32,783
we do a500 dollars maximum

2873
01:35:33,117 --> 01:35:33,367
you're two months behind rent

2874
01:35:34,535 --> 01:35:34,785
you know an eviction's been

2875
01:35:35,136 --> 01:35:35,386
filed against you your

2876
01:35:36,521 --> 01:35:36,771
rent's2,000 dollars you owe4,000

2877
01:35:38,306 --> 01:35:38,556
dollars. I can get500 from here

2878
01:35:39,090 --> 01:35:39,340
but they won't give me that500

2879
01:35:40,575 --> 01:35:40,825
until I show that I've gotten

2880
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:42,810
the other3500 so then what I

2881
01:35:43,161 --> 01:35:43,411
have to do is I have to go to

2882
01:35:44,812 --> 01:35:45,062
Luther community services and

2883
01:35:45,413 --> 01:35:45,663
they're going to say ok well

2884
01:35:47,081 --> 01:35:47,331
we'll give you500 too but not

2885
01:35:48,533 --> 01:35:48,783
until you show us that you have

2886
01:35:49,217 --> 01:35:49,467
the other3500

2887
01:35:52,270 --> 01:35:52,520
and so people have to go to

2888
01:35:54,755 --> 01:35:55,005
like7 or 8 places to get usually

2889
01:35:56,574 --> 01:35:56,824
not the full amount people want

2890
01:35:57,275 --> 01:35:57,525
the family to match it

2891
01:36:00,578 --> 01:36:00,828
it would just really really

2892
01:36:02,280 --> 01:36:02,530
really be great if folks could

2893
01:36:04,549 --> 01:36:04,799
go to one place and say you know

2894
01:36:06,767 --> 01:36:07,017
if I if I had2000 dollars I

2895
01:36:08,269 --> 01:36:08,519
wouldn't be evicted can you just

2896
01:36:08,953 --> 01:36:09,203
give me200 dollars

2897
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:09,570
I think that would

2898
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:13,040
be extremely helpful for a lot

2899
01:36:15,009 --> 01:36:15,259
of reasons at one of the things

2900
01:36:17,028 --> 01:36:17,278
we're doing right now at

2901
01:36:18,779 --> 01:36:19,029
coordinated entry at the

2902
01:36:19,263 --> 01:36:19,513
homemeless helpline as we're

2903
01:36:20,331 --> 01:36:20,581
partnering with the cityity

2904
01:36:21,048 --> 01:36:21,298
ofwilmington has a pot of funds

2905
01:36:23,284 --> 01:36:23,534
it's using for back rent for

2906
01:36:23,951 --> 01:36:24,201
emergency rental assistance

2907
01:36:26,504 --> 01:36:26,754
and the organizations that

2908
01:36:27,071 --> 01:36:27,321
receive those funds and we're

2909
01:36:28,773 --> 01:36:29,023
making direct referrals for

2910
01:36:30,524 --> 01:36:30,774
eligible households within like

2911
01:36:31,158 --> 01:36:31,408
the city limits to that resource

2912
01:36:34,745 --> 01:36:34,995
and the challenge has been that

2913
01:36:36,981 --> 01:36:37,231
folks calling again rent's not

2914
01:36:38,799 --> 01:36:39,049
like500 dollars a month or $600

2915
01:36:40,568 --> 01:36:40,818
a month so even if someone's

2916
01:36:42,536 --> 01:36:42,786
only one month behind we'll make

2917
01:36:44,305 --> 01:36:44,555
the referral but not their their

2918
01:36:45,039 --> 01:36:45,289
full need is not being met and

2919
01:36:46,524 --> 01:36:46,774
then they're calling us back and

2920
01:36:47,241 --> 01:36:47,491
saying well they said they'd

2921
01:36:48,526 --> 01:36:48,776
help me but I still need help

2922
01:36:50,578 --> 01:36:50,828
from someone else so there's no

2923
01:36:51,262 --> 01:36:51,512
like one place to go

2924
01:36:54,749 --> 01:36:54,999
and would you suggest the same

2925
01:36:56,767 --> 01:36:57,017
thing for people who are

2926
01:36:58,986 --> 01:36:59,236
falling behind on mortgages

2927
01:37:00,771 --> 01:37:01,021
maybe they've lost their job and

2928
01:37:01,489 --> 01:37:01,739
they can't keep up and they're

2929
01:37:02,290 --> 01:37:02,540
in a similar situation

2930
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:06,610
do we still have a mortgage

2931
01:37:06,894 --> 01:37:07,144
assistance program

2932
01:37:10,281 --> 01:37:10,531
do we have that still

2933
01:37:12,333 --> 01:37:12,583
or did that run out? wass that

2934
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:13,250
covid

2935
01:37:20,324 --> 01:37:20,574
the covid era program yeah

2936
01:37:20,908 --> 01:37:21,158
that was time limited at the

2937
01:37:22,927 --> 01:37:23,177
federal level along with ERA

2938
01:37:24,729 --> 01:37:24,979
and

2939
01:37:28,282 --> 01:37:28,532
so currently we don't have a

2940
01:37:28,883 --> 01:37:29,133
foreclosure

2941
01:37:30,334 --> 01:37:30,584
prevention

2942
01:37:34,238 --> 01:37:34,488
financing program there's

2943
01:37:34,905 --> 01:37:35,155
housing counseling a lot of the

2944
01:37:38,492 --> 01:37:38,742
one of the things that happened

2945
01:37:40,311 --> 01:37:40,561
with covid was all of the

2946
01:37:42,546 --> 01:37:42,796
programs that the mortgage

2947
01:37:43,097 --> 01:37:43,347
servicers stood up

2948
01:37:44,982 --> 01:37:45,232
and and they were really

2949
01:37:46,550 --> 01:37:46,800
effective

2950
01:37:50,538 --> 01:37:50,788
at at keeping people's

2951
01:37:51,038 --> 01:37:51,288
keep people in their mortgages

2952
01:37:54,508 --> 01:37:54,758
I think a lot of them are still

2953
01:37:56,277 --> 01:37:56,527
running banks realize that

2954
01:37:56,794 --> 01:37:57,044
they're a good way to avoid a

2955
01:37:57,445 --> 01:37:57,695
foreclosure and

2956
01:38:02,516 --> 01:38:02,766
banks don't want foreclosures

2957
01:38:04,518 --> 01:38:04,768
either they're very expensive

2958
01:38:05,169 --> 01:38:05,419
for them I I've

2959
01:38:08,990 --> 01:38:09,240
not really jokingly said but

2960
01:38:10,791 --> 01:38:11,041
sort of jokingly said if we had

2961
01:38:12,994 --> 01:38:13,244
all of the tools in the mortgage

2962
01:38:15,012 --> 01:38:15,262
industry that we had during

2963
01:38:18,783 --> 01:38:19,033
covid in2010 as the financial

2964
01:38:22,303 --> 01:38:22,553
crisis was starting and we

2965
01:38:24,271 --> 01:38:24,521
probably wouldn't have had a

2966
01:38:24,939 --> 01:38:25,189
global meltdown

2967
01:38:26,540 --> 01:38:26,790
so those programs are still

2968
01:38:30,594 --> 01:38:30,844
serving a lot of people any

2969
01:38:32,513 --> 01:38:32,763
foreclosure or threat of

2970
01:38:34,782 --> 01:38:35,032
foreclosure is is you know a

2971
01:38:35,383 --> 01:38:35,633
dramatic thing for that

2972
01:38:35,950 --> 01:38:36,200
individual

2973
01:38:40,354 --> 01:38:40,604
big picture we're not seeing

2974
01:38:43,007 --> 01:38:43,257
rates of foreclosure that are

2975
01:38:45,042 --> 01:38:45,292
out of the norm you know during

2976
01:38:46,794 --> 01:38:47,044
the financial crisis we were

2977
01:38:50,297 --> 01:38:50,547
seeing you know somewhere

2978
01:38:51,032 --> 01:38:51,282
around I think it was close I

2979
01:38:52,767 --> 01:38:53,017
think we might have hit10 to12

2980
01:38:54,819 --> 01:38:55,069
1000 during one stretch per year

2981
01:38:56,737 --> 01:38:56,987
and we're we're still sort of

2982
01:38:59,040 --> 01:38:59,290
hovering around100 or so which

2983
01:39:01,008 --> 01:39:01,258
is you know our gold during

2984
01:39:02,993 --> 01:39:03,243
the financial crisis was to get

2985
01:39:04,528 --> 01:39:04,778
to sort of a natural state at

2986
01:39:08,282 --> 01:39:08,532
around22 to22und0 so we're

2987
01:39:10,284 --> 01:39:10,534
actually in a very low those low

2988
01:39:10,935 --> 01:39:11,185
interest rates that everyone got

2989
01:39:11,602 --> 01:39:11,852
a few

2990
01:39:14,755 --> 01:39:15,005
years back and and some

2991
01:39:16,273 --> 01:39:16,523
other factors I think some of

2992
01:39:18,993 --> 01:39:19,243
the institutionalized

2993
01:39:20,778 --> 01:39:21,028
programs on the on the bank

2994
01:39:22,363 --> 01:39:22,613
servicing side are are keeping

2995
01:39:23,013 --> 01:39:23,263
those

2996
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:25,449
relatively low from a data

2997
01:39:25,766 --> 01:39:26,016
standpoint

2998
01:39:29,036 --> 01:39:29,286
so as someone who doesn't know

2999
01:39:30,588 --> 01:39:30,838
as much about mortgage

3000
01:39:31,072 --> 01:39:31,322
assistance as they do about

3001
01:39:32,773 --> 01:39:33,023
homeless assistance I wanted to

3002
01:39:34,759 --> 01:39:35,009
askrector heckles that as

3003
01:39:36,744 --> 01:39:36,994
someone who doesn't have to

3004
01:39:37,395 --> 01:39:37,645
think about budgeting yes

3005
01:39:40,531 --> 01:39:40,781
think you should have that

3006
01:39:41,098 --> 01:39:41,348
assistance available for

3007
01:39:41,665 --> 01:39:41,915
homeowners too

3008
01:39:44,502 --> 01:39:44,752
any other questions from the

3009
01:39:48,739 --> 01:39:48,989
thank you so much thank you for

3010
01:39:49,407 --> 01:39:49,657
having me

3011
01:39:57,014 --> 01:39:57,264
right so for our fourth

3012
01:40:00,568 --> 01:40:00,818
agenda item it was we were to

3013
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:02,770
be having presentations from

3014
01:40:03,170 --> 01:40:03,420
the delaware ental housing

3015
01:40:08,526 --> 01:40:08,776
folks to include Jeff Sheriton

3016
01:40:10,327 --> 01:40:10,577
from the greaterwilmington

3017
01:40:10,995 --> 01:40:11,245
housing provideviders and then

3018
01:40:14,515 --> 01:40:14,765
also deborah Burgos from the

3019
01:40:15,232 --> 01:40:15,482
apartment association

3020
01:40:16,517 --> 01:40:16,767
unfortunately both were unable

3021
01:40:18,519 --> 01:40:18,769
to attend today but they did

3022
01:40:20,771 --> 01:40:21,021
submit their presentations

3023
01:40:22,740 --> 01:40:22,990
for us to review they are

3024
01:40:24,291 --> 01:40:24,541
available for the public to

3025
01:40:24,842 --> 01:40:25,092
review as well so

3026
01:40:26,861 --> 01:40:27,111
please take a moment

3027
01:40:30,998 --> 01:40:31,248
to to look those over in the

3028
01:40:31,665 --> 01:40:31,915
days to come

3029
01:40:36,303 --> 01:40:36,553
I do ask of our committee if

3030
01:40:38,272 --> 01:40:38,522
we want to take some time to

3031
01:40:39,023 --> 01:40:39,273
have a little bit of back and

3032
01:40:39,607 --> 01:40:39,857
forth

3033
01:40:43,027 --> 01:40:43,277
there's any major takeaways I do

3034
01:40:44,512 --> 01:40:44,762
want us to get into the space

3035
01:40:46,280 --> 01:40:46,530
where we will have a first draft

3036
01:40:48,799 --> 01:40:49,049
coming of our report and I would

3037
01:40:51,068 --> 01:40:51,318
ask that by next Friday if we

3038
01:40:54,271 --> 01:40:54,521
can have just I'm not asking for

3039
01:40:55,022 --> 01:40:55,272
anything to be written up crazy

3040
01:40:56,774 --> 01:40:57,024
right but some talking points

3041
01:40:58,559 --> 01:40:58,809
around what you think are some

3042
01:41:00,861 --> 01:41:01,111
key takeaways that you've

3043
01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:03,080
have come to you over the last

3044
01:41:04,798 --> 01:41:05,048
series of presentations that you

3045
01:41:06,534 --> 01:41:06,784
would want to make sure that we

3046
01:41:08,786 --> 01:41:09,036
have in a a first draft so

3047
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:09,570
that we can be certain that that

3048
01:41:09,987 --> 01:41:10,237
first draft

3049
01:41:12,773 --> 01:41:13,023
is something worthy of us having

3050
01:41:14,775 --> 01:41:15,025
a more robust conversation about

3051
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:17,010
and having public comment on so

3052
01:41:18,796 --> 01:41:19,046
that as we go into our

3053
01:41:21,031 --> 01:41:21,281
subsequent drafts that we're

3054
01:41:22,483 --> 01:41:22,733
already starting with a strong

3055
01:41:23,150 --> 01:41:23,400
foundation

3056
01:41:27,004 --> 01:41:27,254
any questions or comments around

3057
01:41:27,721 --> 01:41:27,971
what I just mentioned Director

3058
01:41:28,389 --> 01:41:28,639
heckel

3059
01:41:28,822 --> 01:41:29,072
thank you

3060
01:41:34,295 --> 01:41:34,545
process wise so how so if we

3061
01:41:38,299 --> 01:41:38,549
submit ideas how do you see

3062
01:41:39,016 --> 01:41:39,266
that unfolding at that task

3063
01:41:40,801 --> 01:41:41,051
force the affordable housing

3064
01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:42,770
supply task force

3065
01:41:44,972 --> 01:41:45,222
we had a number of subcommittees

3066
01:41:46,490 --> 01:41:46,740
that sort of rolled up

3067
01:41:48,292 --> 01:41:48,542
recommendations we don't have

3068
01:41:48,893 --> 01:41:49,143
that here

3069
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:53,330
but each recommendation was I

3070
01:41:53,731 --> 01:41:53,981
think we voted on each one

3071
01:41:54,298 --> 01:41:54,548
didn't we

3072
01:41:56,750 --> 01:41:57,000
we ended up with71

3073
01:42:00,754 --> 01:42:01,004
and so I'm just curious of

3074
01:42:02,756 --> 01:42:03,006
what your thoughts are about

3075
01:42:04,525 --> 01:42:04,775
sort of how how all of that

3076
01:42:06,744 --> 01:42:06,994
works so think with the first

3077
01:42:07,428 --> 01:42:07,678
draft there won't be

3078
01:42:08,546 --> 01:42:08,796
recommendations the first draft

3079
01:42:10,581 --> 01:42:10,831
will be bringing together all of

3080
01:42:12,533 --> 01:42:12,783
the information this is what you

3081
01:42:14,518 --> 01:42:14,768
know was presented these are the

3082
01:42:18,255 --> 01:42:18,505
the key points that were made

3083
01:42:20,307 --> 01:42:20,557
from that then we can say listen

3084
01:42:22,526 --> 01:42:22,776
everything that we've considered

3085
01:42:24,295 --> 01:42:24,545
these are recommendations we'll

3086
01:42:24,962 --> 01:42:25,212
filter those out

3087
01:42:27,031 --> 01:42:27,281
through some conversation public

3088
01:42:28,983 --> 01:42:29,233
comment etc and then keep

3089
01:42:30,484 --> 01:42:30,734
working whittling our way

3090
01:42:31,051 --> 01:42:31,301
through to the in

3091
01:42:31,385 --> 01:42:31,635
makes sense

3092
01:42:36,507 --> 01:42:36,757
any other questions or comments

3093
01:42:37,224 --> 01:42:37,474
on that

3094
01:42:38,742 --> 01:42:38,992
senator Hoffmanman

3095
01:42:40,995 --> 01:42:41,245
I kind of feel like it just in

3096
01:42:42,746 --> 01:42:42,996
the discussions we were coming

3097
01:42:46,267 --> 01:42:46,517
up with ideas and and like that

3098
01:42:46,967 --> 01:42:47,217
should go into the report like

3099
01:42:48,752 --> 01:42:49,002
we were talking about maybe you

3100
01:42:50,304 --> 01:42:50,554
should take on more and give

3101
01:42:52,573 --> 01:42:52,823
some of your other things off to

3102
01:42:53,240 --> 01:42:53,490
some of the nonprofits

3103
01:42:56,493 --> 01:42:56,743
do you feel like that I know

3104
01:42:58,529 --> 01:42:58,779
it's been a long time since we

3105
01:42:59,196 --> 01:42:59,446
met

3106
01:43:02,266 --> 01:43:02,516
but as we were talking we we are

3107
01:43:02,967 --> 01:43:03,217
realizing that your office is

3108
01:43:04,518 --> 01:43:04,768
taking on things that you

3109
01:43:05,052 --> 01:43:05,302
shouldn't be taking on

3110
01:43:07,154 --> 01:43:07,404
yet your

3111
01:43:11,008 --> 01:43:11,258
guidance on some of these things

3112
01:43:14,745 --> 01:43:14,995
so what achel was saying I

3113
01:43:15,279 --> 01:43:15,529
don't know where she went

3114
01:43:18,749 --> 01:43:18,999
talking about the different

3115
01:43:19,300 --> 01:43:19,550
directors and then like maybe

3116
01:43:20,768 --> 01:43:21,018
you could oversee all the

3117
01:43:22,503 --> 01:43:22,753
different directors and then we

3118
01:43:23,170 --> 01:43:23,420
could start pulling things

3119
01:43:23,721 --> 01:43:23,971
together that way

3120
01:43:28,492 --> 01:43:28,742
that just in these conversations

3121
01:43:30,327 --> 01:43:30,577
kind of ideas have been'll take

3122
01:43:30,978 --> 01:43:31,228
that as a compliment because I

3123
01:43:32,279 --> 01:43:32,529
thought the complaint was that

3124
01:43:32,913 --> 01:43:33,163
we weren't doing enough

3125
01:43:34,732 --> 01:43:34,982
so

3126
01:43:38,485 --> 01:43:38,735
so ok season season two of the

3127
01:43:39,119 --> 01:43:39,369
show is really interesting

3128
01:43:44,491 --> 01:43:44,741
yeah yeah

3129
01:43:46,977 --> 01:43:47,227
short I mean you know a lot of

3130
01:43:48,729 --> 01:43:48,979
the stuff that that that we've

3131
01:43:50,748 --> 01:43:50,998
talked about are things that

3132
01:43:52,483 --> 01:43:52,733
that you know in different

3133
01:43:54,718 --> 01:43:54,968
ways I think that you know we

3134
01:43:58,539 --> 01:43:58,789
heard atdSHA and are doing

3135
01:44:00,324 --> 01:44:00,574
differently now so I think it's

3136
01:44:02,559 --> 01:44:02,809
really important as we go

3137
01:44:04,862 --> 01:44:05,112
through this process to not only

3138
01:44:05,496 --> 01:44:05,746
look at

3139
01:44:10,534 --> 01:44:10,784
at at at the way things used to

3140
01:44:12,536 --> 01:44:12,786
be but also look at how they

3141
01:44:14,288 --> 01:44:14,538
are different just in the last

3142
01:44:16,523 --> 01:44:16,773
couple of years and and

3143
01:44:20,260 --> 01:44:20,510
the way that the the direction

3144
01:44:22,496 --> 01:44:22,746
thatdSHA is going on on on

3145
01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:23,330
things that maybe aren't quite

3146
01:44:24,965 --> 01:44:25,215
done yet I mean homelessness

3147
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:27,250
I think is a perfect example and

3148
01:44:28,786 --> 01:44:29,036
following up on on Rachel's

3149
01:44:29,336 --> 01:44:29,586
presentation

3150
01:44:34,942 --> 01:44:35,192
you know s stepping into a

3151
01:44:38,746 --> 01:44:38,996
recreating a statewide entity

3152
01:44:40,547 --> 01:44:40,797
with the interagency

3153
01:44:42,282 --> 01:44:42,532
collaborative you know

3154
01:44:44,968 --> 01:44:45,218
getting some sort of situation

3155
01:44:48,272 --> 01:44:48,522
where we're level set on on the

3156
01:44:50,541 --> 01:44:50,791
existing s the existing

3157
01:44:51,208 --> 01:44:51,458
system breaking out into10

3158
01:44:52,743 --> 01:44:52,993
different subcommittees to look

3159
01:44:54,478 --> 01:44:54,728
at centralized intake and code

3160
01:44:56,730 --> 01:44:56,980
purple and shelter capacity and

3161
01:44:58,716 --> 01:44:58,966
prevention and exits right all

3162
01:44:59,383 --> 01:44:59,633
of the things that achel just

3163
01:45:00,033 --> 01:45:00,283
said

3164
01:45:02,503 --> 01:45:02,753
you know we we know that we

3165
01:45:04,755 --> 01:45:05,005
need to to be doing more work on

3166
01:45:06,523 --> 01:45:06,773
that and DSHA is putting itself

3167
01:45:07,191 --> 01:45:07,441
right to the middle of that

3168
01:45:10,577 --> 01:45:10,827
all well you know also you

3169
01:45:12,579 --> 01:45:12,829
know close to closer today

3170
01:45:14,281 --> 01:45:14,531
than we were yesterday at least

3171
01:45:16,300 --> 01:45:16,550
opening a hope center in Kent

3172
01:45:18,302 --> 01:45:18,552
County and that changes that

3173
01:45:19,069 --> 01:45:19,319
changes in my mind that changes

3174
01:45:20,804 --> 01:45:21,054
everything but it certainly

3175
01:45:25,042 --> 01:45:25,292
changes DSHA and so you know

3176
01:45:26,794 --> 01:45:27,044
that's the kind of of stuff that

3177
01:45:28,729 --> 01:45:28,979
I I think it's important to

3178
01:45:30,814 --> 01:45:31,064
recognize yeah where we've been

3179
01:45:32,783 --> 01:45:33,033
but also you know where the

3180
01:45:36,503 --> 01:45:36,753
wheredSHA is is going as this

3181
01:45:37,171 --> 01:45:37,421
committee makes its its

3182
01:45:37,671 --> 01:45:37,921
recommendations

3183
01:45:42,292 --> 01:45:42,542
any other questions or

3184
01:45:48,949 --> 01:45:49,199
do we have any public comment

3185
01:45:52,703 --> 01:45:52,953
people signed up for public

3186
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:53,520
comment sorry

3187
01:45:56,557 --> 01:45:56,807
madam chair it's ok

3188
01:45:59,009 --> 01:45:59,259
we currently do not have any

3189
01:46:02,496 --> 01:46:02,746
in-person public comment I will

3190
01:46:03,180 --> 01:46:03,430
inquire to see if we do have any

3191
01:46:06,366 --> 01:46:06,616
virtual comments at this time

3192
01:46:10,938 --> 01:46:11,188
we do have one son that

3193
01:46:11,488 --> 01:46:11,738
misawayis

3194
01:46:18,779 --> 01:46:19,029
Stevevanna unfortunately we are

3195
01:46:20,597 --> 01:46:20,847
unable to hear you clear.

3196
01:46:22,816 --> 01:46:23,066
do you hear me now? Yes we can

3197
01:46:23,500 --> 01:46:23,750
thank you

3198
01:46:24,968 --> 01:46:25,218
Lisa ri

3199
01:46:33,343 --> 01:46:33,593
Hi good afternoon. my name is

3200
01:46:34,294 --> 01:46:34,544
Lisa ice fromiddletown

3201
01:46:37,347 --> 01:46:37,597
and I appreciate this

3202
01:46:38,332 --> 01:46:38,582
opportunity to speak

3203
01:46:42,302 --> 01:46:42,552
I want to first mention that

3204
01:46:43,287 --> 01:46:43,537
taxpayers in delaware do not

3205
01:46:44,755 --> 01:46:45,005
want another division to be

3206
01:46:48,559 --> 01:46:48,809
formed and question why for

3207
01:46:49,176 --> 01:46:49,426
existing housing authorities are

3208
01:46:51,078 --> 01:46:51,328
not capable of managing

3209
01:46:52,813 --> 01:46:53,063
affordable housing goals and the

3210
01:46:53,463 --> 01:46:53,713
process to achieve them

3211
01:46:56,817 --> 01:46:57,067
when taxpayers are experiencing

3212
01:46:58,769 --> 01:46:59,019
increases in property school and

3213
01:47:00,838 --> 01:47:01,088
business taxes we want to see

3214
01:47:03,006 --> 01:47:03,256
responsible government spending

3215
01:47:05,209 --> 01:47:05,459
because if legislators lowered

3216
01:47:05,859 --> 01:47:06,109
property taxes

3217
01:47:08,829 --> 01:47:09,079
housing would be affordable and

3218
01:47:11,048 --> 01:47:11,298
consumer spending would increase

3219
01:47:12,349 --> 01:47:12,599
which benefits the state

3220
01:47:12,900 --> 01:47:13,150
financially

3221
01:47:15,085 --> 01:47:15,335
Additionally as an advocate the

3222
01:47:16,537 --> 01:47:16,787
thought of more wasteful

3223
01:47:18,555 --> 01:47:18,805
spending stings my eyes because

3224
01:47:20,290 --> 01:47:20,540
I can name hundreds of other

3225
01:47:21,074 --> 01:47:21,324
ways to spend money that would

3226
01:47:22,843 --> 01:47:23,093
directly catapult the state by

3227
01:47:23,477 --> 01:47:23,727
assisting people to thrive

3228
01:47:26,547 --> 01:47:26,797
Other states have created

3229
01:47:28,782 --> 01:47:29,032
bipartisan legislation in order

3230
01:47:30,334 --> 01:47:30,584
to provide affordable housing

3231
01:47:31,034 --> 01:47:31,284
and I've created a document

3232
01:47:32,352 --> 01:47:32,602
which I'll send in a few moments

3233
01:47:36,523 --> 01:47:36,773
to share202ix legislation with

3234
01:47:38,825 --> 01:47:39,075
you I placed oregon first

3235
01:47:40,611 --> 01:47:40,861
because I advocated for housing

3236
01:47:42,546 --> 01:47:42,796
in delaware for over two years

3237
01:47:43,247 --> 01:47:43,497
and I feel like perhaps we

3238
01:47:43,797 --> 01:47:44,047
should rest

3239
01:47:48,552 --> 01:47:48,802
on what to see where our recent

3240
01:47:49,202 --> 01:47:49,452
successful efforts lead us

3241
01:47:52,522 --> 01:47:52,772
efforts to protect ventures in

3242
01:47:54,258 --> 01:47:54,508
vast capacities have been

3243
01:47:56,343 --> 01:47:56,593
largely successful very recently

3244
01:47:56,994 --> 01:47:57,244
in delaware

3245
01:47:59,079 --> 01:47:59,329
regarding building more housing

3246
01:48:01,098 --> 01:48:01,348
to lower costs I know this is

3247
01:48:02,549 --> 01:48:02,799
how economics are supposed to

3248
01:48:04,818 --> 01:48:05,068
work. however as a farmer the

3249
01:48:06,520 --> 01:48:06,770
price of hay would go up because

3250
01:48:08,272 --> 01:48:08,522
there was too much rain and not

3251
01:48:08,906 --> 01:48:09,156
enough rain and the prices never

3252
01:48:09,556 --> 01:48:09,806
went down.

3253
01:48:11,258 --> 01:48:11,508
Temporary taxes are never

3254
01:48:11,808 --> 01:48:12,058
temporary either

3255
01:48:16,296 --> 01:48:16,546
gar ding homelessness based on

3256
01:48:17,047 --> 01:48:17,297
my studies and personal

3257
01:48:19,099 --> 01:48:19,349
experience as a former homeless

3258
01:48:19,766 --> 01:48:20,016
and active alcoholic

3259
01:48:22,836 --> 01:48:23,086
I have found that harm reduction

3260
01:48:24,755 --> 01:48:25,005
efforts that meet a person where

3261
01:48:27,024 --> 01:48:27,274
they are should include street

3262
01:48:29,026 --> 01:48:29,276
interventions with immediate

3263
01:48:30,494 --> 01:48:30,744
transport available to treatment

3264
01:48:34,298 --> 01:48:34,548
not a suggestion, not a pamphlet

3265
01:48:36,300 --> 01:48:36,550
or an offer to call somebody.

3266
01:48:38,302 --> 01:48:38,552
I'm talking about a car with an

3267
01:48:38,952 --> 01:48:39,202
available bed at the end of the

3268
01:48:39,620 --> 01:48:39,870
trip

3269
01:48:42,539 --> 01:48:42,789
d d ition ally delaware needs

3270
01:48:43,190 --> 01:48:43,440
more places to recover

3271
01:48:45,025 --> 01:48:45,275
recovery and treatment are not

3272
01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:45,942
the same

3273
01:48:51,231 --> 01:48:51,481
Your2 minutes is up this

3274
01:48:52,316 --> 01:48:52,566
concludes all virtual public

3275
01:48:52,966 --> 01:48:53,216
comment

3276
01:49:00,574 --> 01:49:00,824
thank youtevanna

3277
01:49:02,993 --> 01:49:03,243
with that said I do want to just

3278
01:49:04,761 --> 01:49:05,011
let the committee know that I'll

3279
01:49:06,763 --> 01:49:07,013
be sending an email with some

3280
01:49:08,281 --> 01:49:08,531
possible dates for us to have

3281
01:49:10,584 --> 01:49:10,834
follow up meetings if folks

3282
01:49:12,552 --> 01:49:12,802
could share which dates work

3283
01:49:13,153 --> 01:49:13,403
best for them that would be

3284
01:49:14,521 --> 01:49:14,771
helpful and then we can just

3285
01:49:16,740 --> 01:49:16,990
lock those in and other than

3286
01:49:18,525 --> 01:49:18,775
that we'll look forward to your

3287
01:49:20,544 --> 01:49:20,794
submittal of pieces that you

3288
01:49:22,295 --> 01:49:22,545
want to ensure that we have in

3289
01:49:23,313 --> 01:49:23,563
the first draft of the report

3290
01:49:24,798 --> 01:49:25,048
about the things again just the

3291
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:27,050
information we've gathered by

3292
01:49:27,451 --> 01:49:27,701
September4th right

3293
01:49:30,554 --> 01:49:30,804
thank you all all'll entertain a

3294
01:49:31,221 --> 01:49:31,471
motion

3295
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:33,290
all right

3296
01:49:36,309 --> 01:49:36,559
seeing no objections our meeting

3297
01:49:36,977 --> 01:49:37,227
adjourns