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right we do not have a quorum

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but we will not be taking any

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votes so we do not need a quorum

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today. Today, especially with

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the tighter budget outlook

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coming for f28. I want to bring

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the director in here and have

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him give an update on the

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legislatively designated

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projects that have come to modot

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here over the past few years and

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just get an update on where

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those projects stand and which

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ones that we need to make sure

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that are protected through this

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budget cycle so Mr. Director

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you may proceed when you are

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ready.

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So Mr cochair members of the

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committee it's a pleasure to be

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here to give you an update

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not only on our projects but all

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the other initiatives that we're

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doing so I I prepared some

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testimony and I'll I'll kind of

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use it as the highlights not

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read it to you directly but it

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does give you some

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some of the detail

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you know what modot our mission

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is to provide a worldclass

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transportation system that's

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safe innovative, reliable and

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dedicated to serving the

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customers for a prosperous

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that's kind of gives the great

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baseline of what wer try to

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accomplish every day with our

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team

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and when I took over as director

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I said there's really4 things if

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you had to kind of say what does

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success look like and it's

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really deliver the program

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restore the capability of our

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operations team

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make sure that it's safe for our

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folks to do their work and save

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for the people that use the

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roadway and provide outstanding

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customer service

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so

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fairly simple concepts that are

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all really difficult to do

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but I wanted to just start on

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really to directly answer the

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question that's been put in

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front of us by the cochair

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underliver the program

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you know we have had

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unprecedented success over the

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last 10 years in delivering

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over4,200 projects for a total

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of8.3 billion dollars 3.5% under

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budget and93% on time.

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and that's a track record that I

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think probably no DOT in the

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country could live up to and

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it's really

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a reflection of the trust that

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you've put in us what our

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commission can do and the

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commission form of governance to

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actually move projects through

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the system

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and you know in the last several

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years the general assembly has

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put a huge amount of trust and

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responsibility in us by putting

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a lot of

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s ign ated money and projects

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in front of us to deliver on top

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of our normal

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operations that we do

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and so I just wanted to kind of

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kind of highlight where we're

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where we're at with that in

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front of you we've been keeping

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this document up to date since

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we started that process so this

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is kind of the the gory details

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of every project that has been

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funded with general revenue by

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the legislature since that first

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project the focus on bridge

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programme and we we keep this

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going but it's that important

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that we're able

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when you say hey here's some

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things that we want to

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accomplish this is an ongoing

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document that we keep up to date

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and we updated it just just

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recently here for this for this

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hearing to make sure that it was

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up to date and we'll do that

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session because there'll be

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there'll be significant progress

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in the next two months I can

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tell you so this will look

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different

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in January than it does right

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but just just some basic

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highlights

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you know

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the rural routes program the

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legislature has invested over

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$340 million of general revenue

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into that program to help

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address the condition of low

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volume roads whichrily

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a roughly half of those roads

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are ineligible to get federal

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funds so it's always been a

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challenge for us to to use our

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money that you know has to be

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matched and we used to leverage

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federal funds to

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put those on those low volume

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roads so that that decision you

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made was

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made a huge difference

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to date we have made

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improvements to6,100 lane miles

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of low volume roads

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and then we have an

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additional433 that are slated to

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be done this year on top of that

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you know those those minor rows

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and low volume low volume roads

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make up about28,000 miles of our

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system

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which is over84%

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and currently

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those two categories of roads

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are in8

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well over the goal that we've

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set of70 for low volume and80

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for our minor roads so that

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investment has been invaluable

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for us taking care of those

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systems that are less traveled

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but still very important

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likewise more than 100,400

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bridges across the state we are

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responsible for and we've made

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steady progress on reducing the

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number of poor bridges

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you know the general revenue

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investment in that and the focus

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on bridge programme

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has repaired or replaced over250

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poor condition bridges if you

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go back to2019 we had over900

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bridges that were in poor

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condition

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as we sit here today that number

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and a lot of that is a direct

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result of the investment that

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if you remember that was a50

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million dollars single

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appropriation and then a $301

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million bonding proposal that

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had some triggers in it

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that were pretty important right

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that we had to get a federal

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grant to do some work on

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all of that happened we did the

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bonding we've got all the

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bridges done

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and the bonds are paid up

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will be paid off at the end of

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so we can we'll be able to put a

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bow on that one

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and call that one a success.

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wanted to point out is that

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debt service on low volume or on

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about45

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so that'll be paid off and

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certainly we are going to make a

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proposal during this next

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legislature to continue that

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process in some way shape or

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form I think the idea of using

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mechanism to do priorities that

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the legislature has is a really

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I think that's a huge

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opportunity. the thing that

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we have proposed is maybe to

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continue that for another5 years

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and continue to to work on

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bridges across the state mostly

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in rural parts of this state

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where there's not as many prior

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so that would be about208

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million dollars worth of bridges

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and replace about 100. that's

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just a proposal but I wanted to

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kind of put it in front of you

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all as

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as an idea

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of course the ones that you

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hear about and the ones that are

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probably top of mind with the

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that have gone to the improved

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I70 program we officially and I

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I put in front of you this is

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kind of what we call it our

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place map but it gives you

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kind of where we're at and we

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also keep this one updated on a

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regular basis because it changes

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pretty often but we have5

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projects under construction

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in addition to one federally

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funded grant program to address

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truck parking

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I can tell you I was driving

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back from the airport last night

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in St. Louis at midnight and

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we're going to add another250

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truck parking spots we need

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as I was driving across I-70

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there were trucks parked

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everywhere every one of our rest

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areas was full every ramp, every

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shoulder so that'll be a great

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addition

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to our system when that gets

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but I-70 is going really

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well. we've got 3 projects left

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to award we're going to do one

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in november and then two next

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year before before summer so by

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the end of really the fiscal

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year next year

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we will have every project on

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I-70 under a contract

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and most

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re ction so I'm sure if you've

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driven across I-70 you can see

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the progress that we're making

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so right now we've opened

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bridges at Green Valley at

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Columbia at Warrenton we have a

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new interchange of54 done up and

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running

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the expansion which was funded

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by traditional funding at I-64

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that ties into the Weville

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now is complete 3 lanes each

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direction up to the interchange

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and we have the first of five

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direct connections in Colombia

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open so if you're coming

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you have a direct connect ramp

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and you can see kind of what

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else is going on there at

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Colombia we're putting the big

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we're going to have that

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interchange

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done

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and then in in addition to the

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I-70 improvements the

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legislature put forward577

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million dollars of general

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revenue for I-44.

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and certainly the44 effort is

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underway

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right after that was passed by

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the legislature and signed by

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the governor we put $100 million

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of general revenue into the

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improvements in Springfield on

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that project and then here

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just a few months ago we broke

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ground on the 5 or470 million

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dollars design build project

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that addresses the stretch

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basically from

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just north of Springfield all

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the way down through and

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including some of the

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interchange work at Fidelity at

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I-49. a lot of that will be

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upgraded to three lanes each

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direct

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there's still a lot of other

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work that we're doing that

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basically is taking care of

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existing infrastructure on I-44

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we'll have a lot of work

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various places across the state

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about 126

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million dollars of interchange

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and and intersection

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improvements in Franklin

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County80 million dollars

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to rebuild

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so if you look across the entire

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state also we have another one

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of these place mats

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44 is not continuous so there's

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bits there's pieces of it where

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we're working but you can see

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here both not only the general

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revenue funding but we've

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supplemented that with our

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traditional

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road road fund funding to

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make really good improvements

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across the s the entire corridor

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of I-44.

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so

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really between focus on bridge

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rural road programme I70 and

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I-44 all of those are either

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completed underway in some shape

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or form and making great

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so we're really we're really

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happy about that

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if you look at the rest of

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our program our our27 through

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31stI

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we have about $13 billion of

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federal and state revenue for

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all modes of transportation over

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the next five years

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and really these have been the

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historic highs

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of funding

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we're starting to see kind of

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the peak of that as some of this

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general revenue

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and and certainly the other

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challenge is our federal bill

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will expire at the end of this

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month and there

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direction and sight on the

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federal bill so we're all kind

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of

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awaiting kind of what happens

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there but that's a that's a huge

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concern that we have

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we're we're working on a

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continuing resolution that's

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good till December 11th

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but what I can tell you is when

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you go through that kind of a

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process when it's two months

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hard to make commitments on

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projects because the federal

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money

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that's something we're all

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looking at and something we're

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concerned about but we're

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going to continue to do what we

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can do

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you know in general

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in previous times like this

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it usually gets worked out

395
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but you just got to be a

396
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little more cautious.

397
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so really with all that being

398
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said, you know

399
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this is probably the busiest

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construction season actually

401
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literally between our mainest

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work and the work of our

403
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contractors literally we're

404
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going to have 1000

405
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go out on our system so any

406
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corner of the state any place

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you

408
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going to see progress on

409
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I wanted just spend a little

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bit of time

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on number2 which is restoring

412
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the capability of our operations

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team you know we lost a lot of

414
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folks we lost a lot of momentum

415
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on being able to do things that

416
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our team does across the state

417
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and certainly we have asked in

418
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the budget process

419
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add some positions for our front

420
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line on the ground maintenance

421
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workers and thank you for

422
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it's it's shown

423
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dividends we are we are able to

424
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take care of a lot of those

425
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things that I I kind of

426
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dubbed as windshield issues you

427
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know we get to the stuff you

428
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have to get to you've got to put

429
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up the stop sign. you've got to

430
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patch the potholes. you got to

431
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do the stuff that is safety

432
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related but a lot of times

433
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without the

434
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trash it's the mowing it's the

435
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things that that you notice when

436
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you drive down the road and

437
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we've made tremendous progress

438
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on that front

439
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look at our labor hours spent on

440
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on sign maintenance we've got

441
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about 160,000 labor hours this

442
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year

443
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litter pick up about 139,000

444
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striping45,000 sweeping29,000

445
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and I know those numbers

446
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probably don't mean a lot to you

447
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but if you look at those

448
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compared to our five year

449
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average on doing that kind of

450
00:16:13,077 --> 00:16:13,327
work they're up on everyone

451
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anywhere from 10% more

452
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this year to as much as25% more

453
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than that and that's just work

454
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hours performing those kind of

455
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activities so

456
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our crews across the state

457
00:16:27,177 --> 00:16:27,427
are working hard to make sure

458
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that we're

459
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taking care of those issues and

460
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I think I've gotten some

461
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feedback from a lot of you and

462
00:16:35,044 --> 00:16:35,294
some others

463
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we're we're going to continue on

464
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that front

465
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the other thing that we are

466
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really focused on is is really

467
00:16:45,644 --> 00:16:45,894
the safety of our folks

468
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the behavior of the public is

469
00:16:51,311 --> 00:16:51,561
pretty atrocious

470
00:16:54,511 --> 00:16:54,761
our folks that are on the ground

471
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every day see things that would

472
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driving

473
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a lot of the things that

474
00:17:06,277 --> 00:17:06,527
we're dealing with so we're

475
00:17:06,911 --> 00:17:07,161
having to spend a little more

476
00:17:08,511 --> 00:17:08,761
effort on protecting our team

477
00:17:10,777 --> 00:17:11,027
we're putting more TMAs out

478
00:17:12,511 --> 00:17:12,761
there when we're doing work to

479
00:17:13,177 --> 00:17:13,427
protect them

480
00:17:17,044 --> 00:17:17,294
trying to do work at the right

481
00:17:19,344 --> 00:17:19,594
times but in work zones this

482
00:17:20,577 --> 00:17:20,827
year there have been24 people

483
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killed

484
00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:24,794
none of those have been modot

485
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employees they've been the

486
00:17:26,411 --> 00:17:26,661
public so these are dangerous

487
00:17:27,077 --> 00:17:27,327
places for our folks

488
00:17:31,111 --> 00:17:31,361
for the public if they if they

489
00:17:33,077 --> 00:17:33,327
don't do the things they need to

490
00:17:34,377 --> 00:17:34,627
do which is drive the work zones

491
00:17:35,044 --> 00:17:35,294
speed

492
00:17:46,277 --> 00:17:46,527
on the bigger safety front I

493
00:17:46,911 --> 00:17:47,161
think from the public

494
00:17:47,344 --> 00:17:47,594
perspective

495
00:17:50,411 --> 00:17:50,661
we have seen a year over year

496
00:17:51,077 --> 00:17:51,327
decline in fa

497
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this year year to date we're

498
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still5% under last year which

499
00:18:03,311 --> 00:18:03,561
we're seeing some real progress

500
00:18:05,111 --> 00:18:05,361
in distracted driving. one of

501
00:18:06,811 --> 00:18:07,061
the things that the legislature

502
00:18:08,844 --> 00:18:09,094
did was pass the sitting's

503
00:18:09,411 --> 00:18:09,661
benning distracted driving law

504
00:18:13,077 --> 00:18:13,327
and that has made a difference

505
00:18:15,344 --> 00:18:15,594
we've askedcambridge

506
00:18:16,811 --> 00:18:17,061
Telematics is one of the

507
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companies that insurance

508
00:18:19,044 --> 00:18:19,294
companies use to figure out what

509
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people are doing

510
00:18:22,811 --> 00:18:23,061
and from the data that they

511
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collect they've determined

512
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there's about a5% decrease in

513
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distracted driving

514
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from the first year that law was

515
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passed

516
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till now

517
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and so you know there were97

518
00:18:38,277 --> 00:18:38,527
distracted fatalities and

519
00:18:39,111 --> 00:18:39,361
distracted driving fatalities in

520
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Missouri in2025.

521
00:18:42,411 --> 00:18:42,661
and if we can get a5

522
00:18:47,011 --> 00:18:47,261
but there's still probably a lot

523
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of underreporting of distracted

524
00:18:50,577 --> 00:18:50,827
driving. I think that's one of

525
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the challenges that we face but

526
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it's progress nonetheless so you

527
00:18:56,611 --> 00:18:56,861
know we're asking people in the

528
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last three months of the year

529
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which are sometimes some of the

530
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most highly

531
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you know fatality laden months

532
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to take extra time to make sure

533
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they

534
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slow down and don't drive

535
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impaired

536
00:19:14,411 --> 00:19:14,661
if we can do that we can talk

537
00:19:15,077 --> 00:19:15,327
about 1/4 year in a row

538
00:19:17,177 --> 00:19:17,427
that that will happen

539
00:19:22,277 --> 00:19:22,527
and then the last one was making

540
00:19:23,044 --> 00:19:23,294
sure that we focus on customers

541
00:19:24,511 --> 00:19:24,761
you know I made the

542
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commitment I think when when I

543
00:19:28,277 --> 00:19:28,527
first took this job to say we

544
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need to be more available to the

545
00:19:32,477 --> 00:19:32,727
public we're doing a lot more

546
00:19:34,477 --> 00:19:34,727
public meetings that also

547
00:19:35,044 --> 00:19:35,294
included the

548
00:19:42,311 --> 00:19:42,561
to make sure that we have that

549
00:19:44,377 --> 00:19:44,627
relationship and that I hope you

550
00:19:45,044 --> 00:19:45,294
see that

551
00:19:47,177 --> 00:19:47,427
the commission has made a point

552
00:19:48,544 --> 00:19:48,794
that when they're traveling they

553
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do coffee with

554
00:19:54,277 --> 00:19:54,527
some some take advantage and

555
00:19:54,877 --> 00:19:55,127
some don't but we've had some

556
00:19:56,777 --> 00:19:57,027
really good conversations about

557
00:19:58,344 --> 00:19:58,594
kind of the local issues it's an

558
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opportunity

559
00:20:03,011 --> 00:20:03,261
and then then I hope you've had

560
00:20:04,777 --> 00:20:05,027
the chance to interact with your

561
00:20:06,777 --> 00:20:07,027
local teams our area

562
00:20:08,377 --> 00:20:08,627
engineers are on the ground all

563
00:20:09,044 --> 00:20:09,294
over the state

564
00:20:10,511 --> 00:20:10,761
and certainly are the experts

565
00:20:18,844 --> 00:20:19,094
we've made a concerted effort to

566
00:20:20,577 --> 00:20:20,827
try to make sure we're doing

567
00:20:22,877 --> 00:20:23,127
that. I think last year we we

568
00:20:24,844 --> 00:20:25,094
determined that we had a public

569
00:20:26,844 --> 00:20:27,094
meeting somewhere in the state

570
00:20:27,544 --> 00:20:27,794
on a project every week

571
00:20:29,277 --> 00:20:29,527
and many weeks we'd have two or

572
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three

573
00:20:33,311 --> 00:20:33,561
so we've had a lot of of public

574
00:20:36,844 --> 00:20:37,094
outreaches we try to put our our

575
00:20:37,511 --> 00:20:37,761
program in place

576
00:20:40,344 --> 00:20:40,594
and certainly working with our

577
00:20:41,011 --> 00:20:41,261
planning partners throughout the

578
00:20:41,677 --> 00:20:41,927
state

579
00:20:48,377 --> 00:20:48,627
we just are finishing up our our

580
00:20:49,044 --> 00:20:49,294
meetings across

581
00:20:52,377 --> 00:20:52,627
unfunded needs process that kind

582
00:20:53,044 --> 00:20:53,294
of

583
00:20:58,277 --> 00:20:58,527
a lot of great conversations

584
00:20:58,877 --> 00:20:59,127
around the state on what that

585
00:20:59,544 --> 00:20:59,794
should look like going forward

586
00:21:04,277 --> 00:21:04,527
I kind of wanted to just end

587
00:21:06,277 --> 00:21:06,527
though with the kind of the

588
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discussion of certainly the

589
00:21:10,377 --> 00:21:10,627
cost of doing business is going

590
00:21:11,044 --> 00:21:11,294
up

591
00:21:16,277 --> 00:21:16,527
high inflation during the COVID

592
00:21:18,277 --> 00:21:18,527
years it kind of ramped back

593
00:21:19,077 --> 00:21:19,327
down to what I would call a more

594
00:21:20,644 --> 00:21:20,894
normal level in the last few

595
00:21:21,311 --> 00:21:21,561
years

596
00:21:24,311 --> 00:21:24,561
but we're seeing it ramp up

597
00:21:26,344 --> 00:21:26,594
again everything we do is energy

598
00:21:27,011 --> 00:21:27,261
related.

599
00:21:29,477 --> 00:21:29,727
and we all know what energy

600
00:21:30,011 --> 00:21:30,261
prices are doing

601
00:21:33,144 --> 00:21:33,394
and it's it's having an adverse

602
00:21:33,811 --> 00:21:34,061
impact on what we do

603
00:21:37,044 --> 00:21:37,294
so whether it's the trucks that

604
00:21:38,377 --> 00:21:38,627
we buy which come from

605
00:21:42,344 --> 00:21:42,594
problems but but basically

606
00:21:42,911 --> 00:21:43,161
everything

607
00:21:48,511 --> 00:21:48,761
So5 dollars a gallon diesel5

608
00:21:54,377 --> 00:21:54,627
I was at a conference in

609
00:21:54,911 --> 00:21:55,161
California last week

610
00:21:56,911 --> 00:21:57,161
gallon

611
00:22:02,244 --> 00:22:02,494
I mean I filled up my gas rental

612
00:22:04,344 --> 00:22:04,594
car and it was6 dollars6

613
00:22:08,544 --> 00:22:08,794
but you know that

614
00:22:10,511 --> 00:22:10,761
that's something we're facing

615
00:22:12,544 --> 00:22:12,794
and I think it is we talk about

616
00:22:14,611 --> 00:22:14,861
the peak of the curve in funding

617
00:22:18,277 --> 00:22:18,527
it's it's not a crisis it's not

618
00:22:18,977 --> 00:22:19,227
something we have to address

619
00:22:20,377 --> 00:22:20,627
today but we've got to start

620
00:22:21,044 --> 00:22:21,294
talking about what is

621
00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:25,061
know do we need to think about

622
00:22:26,377 --> 00:22:26,627
indexing the fuel tax? Do we

623
00:22:27,011 --> 00:22:27,261
need to think

624
00:22:33,311 --> 00:22:33,561
efficiency of cars maybe not

625
00:22:34,977 --> 00:22:35,227
generating any more gross

626
00:22:36,344 --> 00:22:36,594
receipts but if we don't

627
00:22:41,144 --> 00:22:41,394
with revenue with inflation

628
00:22:42,411 --> 00:22:42,661
chewing up at the bottom

629
00:22:46,777 --> 00:22:47,027
just something that we have on

630
00:22:48,544 --> 00:22:48,794
our radar it's hard to talk

631
00:22:50,277 --> 00:22:50,527
about that when you have a

632
00:22:51,144 --> 00:22:51,394
record size program and you're

633
00:22:51,811 --> 00:22:52,061
doing construction everywhere

634
00:22:53,277 --> 00:22:53,527
but if you wait till you get to

635
00:22:53,944 --> 00:22:54,194
the

636
00:22:56,844 --> 00:22:57,094
backside of the curve it's too

637
00:22:57,511 --> 00:22:57,761
late and then it's hard to

638
00:22:58,077 --> 00:22:58,327
recover

639
00:23:00,444 --> 00:23:00,694
so that's just kind of a

640
00:23:04,744 --> 00:23:04,994
I think with that I will quit

641
00:23:05,411 --> 00:23:05,661
and

642
00:23:06,377 --> 00:23:06,627
be

643
00:23:12,411 --> 00:23:12,661
right, any questions for the

644
00:23:13,077 --> 00:23:13,327
director?

645
00:23:18,677 --> 00:23:18,927
Represent buttsir to inquire

646
00:23:20,444 --> 00:23:20,694
proceed thank you very much

647
00:23:22,277 --> 00:23:22,527
appreciate your presentation. I

648
00:23:22,944 --> 00:23:23,194
had two quick questions so

649
00:23:26,444 --> 00:23:26,694
the one is every time and

650
00:23:28,244 --> 00:23:28,494
obviously I'm driving from St.

651
00:23:30,211 --> 00:23:30,461
Louis to Jeff City on70 all the

652
00:23:32,444 --> 00:23:32,694
time and I'm just not really

653
00:23:34,644 --> 00:23:34,894
that I seemodadd the signs are

654
00:23:36,444 --> 00:23:36,694
there the workers are there, the

655
00:23:38,911 --> 00:23:39,161
driving is still crazy when you

656
00:23:40,511 --> 00:23:40,761
have construction zones is there

657
00:23:44,244 --> 00:23:44,494
more does there need to be more

658
00:23:44,944 --> 00:23:45,194
communication with like the

659
00:23:48,244 --> 00:23:48,494
highway patrol and you know the

660
00:23:50,211 --> 00:23:50,461
local sheriffs and even police

661
00:23:52,644 --> 00:23:52,894
departments I marvel at the lack

662
00:23:54,411 --> 00:23:54,661
and this is not a modi thing but

663
00:23:56,244 --> 00:23:56,494
maybe just if you're saying hey

664
00:23:56,911 --> 00:23:57,161
you know that's stretched

665
00:23:58,644 --> 00:23:58,894
through like warrenton Wright

666
00:24:00,477 --> 00:24:00,727
City and all that it's a

667
00:24:02,477 --> 00:24:02,727
dangerous stretch and you would

668
00:24:04,477 --> 00:24:04,727
think with the fatalities we've

669
00:24:06,677 --> 00:24:06,927
had and the accidents there

670
00:24:07,277 --> 00:24:07,527
would just be more of a police

671
00:24:08,844 --> 00:24:09,094
presence and I just think all of

672
00:24:10,677 --> 00:24:10,927
us as legislators yourself as a

673
00:24:11,344 --> 00:24:11,594
director ofmodo

674
00:24:14,611 --> 00:24:14,861
t that that story needs to be

675
00:24:15,277 --> 00:24:15,527
told. I hate to

676
00:24:18,677 --> 00:24:18,927
pick on outstate municipalities

677
00:24:20,311 --> 00:24:20,561
like that but I'm like I really

678
00:24:20,977 --> 00:24:21,227
don't believe

679
00:24:24,444 --> 00:24:24,694
at 10 a.m. you're responding to

680
00:24:26,444 --> 00:24:26,694
emergency911 calls the way they

681
00:24:27,077 --> 00:24:27,327
are in the city of St. Louis.

682
00:24:30,244 --> 00:24:30,494
just the presence of the vehicle

683
00:24:30,977 --> 00:24:31,227
with their cherries on top I

684
00:24:32,477 --> 00:24:32,727
think slows things down and a

685
00:24:34,877 --> 00:24:35,127
trooper just driving along at55

686
00:24:35,544 --> 00:24:35,794
miles an hour

687
00:24:38,644 --> 00:24:38,894
you know we do a lot that's one

688
00:24:40,611 --> 00:24:40,861
the 2nd 2nd part is I loved your

689
00:24:42,377 --> 00:24:42,627
last comment because eight years

690
00:24:44,244 --> 00:24:44,494
ago and I've loved working on

691
00:24:44,877 --> 00:24:45,127
transportation issues all eight

692
00:24:46,844 --> 00:24:47,094
years we were behind on the

693
00:24:48,677 --> 00:24:48,927
curve eight years ago and it was

694
00:24:52,411 --> 00:24:52,661
critical and just a parting

695
00:24:54,244 --> 00:24:54,494
thought that I've left20 times

696
00:24:55,011 --> 00:24:55,261
on the house floor and that is

697
00:24:56,911 --> 00:24:57,161
yes we need to index fixed

698
00:25:00,911 --> 00:25:01,161
charged things like the gas tax

699
00:25:04,444 --> 00:25:04,694
even though we increase it if we

700
00:25:06,244 --> 00:25:06,494
would just index it gradually

701
00:25:06,844 --> 00:25:07,094
every year to at least meet

702
00:25:08,844 --> 00:25:09,094
inflation. we won't be losing

703
00:25:10,644 --> 00:25:10,894
dollars so that's more a comment

704
00:25:12,411 --> 00:25:12,661
but the first one I'd like to

705
00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:13,261
know if is there more

706
00:25:14,444 --> 00:25:14,694
communication that we could be

707
00:25:16,244 --> 00:25:16,494
having at all levels because

708
00:25:16,844 --> 00:25:17,094
doggone it just during the

709
00:25:18,577 --> 00:25:18,827
middle of the day I just don't

710
00:25:19,244 --> 00:25:19,494
see much law enforcement

711
00:25:22,411 --> 00:25:22,661
yeah we have we actually have on

712
00:25:24,844 --> 00:25:25,094
I-70 an ongoing task force

713
00:25:26,477 --> 00:25:26,727
project by project with local

714
00:25:28,244 --> 00:25:28,494
law enforcement and then a

715
00:25:28,877 --> 00:25:29,127
global one with the highway

716
00:25:30,877 --> 00:25:31,127
patrol. They they have made a

717
00:25:34,644 --> 00:25:34,894
huge effort on enforcementer

718
00:25:35,311 --> 00:25:35,561
they

719
00:25:36,877 --> 00:25:37,127
they challenged with staffing

720
00:25:37,477 --> 00:25:37,727
just like a lot of places are

721
00:25:42,244 --> 00:25:42,494
I can tell you last night I

722
00:25:42,844 --> 00:25:43,094
drove home from the airport at

723
00:25:44,977 --> 00:25:45,227
10 o'clock last night and there

724
00:25:46,644 --> 00:25:46,894
were of course we were doing a

725
00:25:48,511 --> 00:25:48,761
lot of night work but we I

726
00:25:49,077 --> 00:25:49,327
saw

727
00:25:51,044 --> 00:25:51,294
between warrenton and westville

728
00:25:51,711 --> 00:25:51,961
two troopers

729
00:25:54,311 --> 00:25:54,561
and two local

730
00:25:56,811 --> 00:25:57,061
so I was really happy last

731
00:25:58,411 --> 00:25:58,661
night because people were

732
00:26:00,244 --> 00:26:00,494
behaving but you're right I mean

733
00:26:00,944 --> 00:26:01,194
certainly more enforcement would

734
00:26:01,611 --> 00:26:01,861
would

735
00:26:02,711 --> 00:26:02,961
make things better

736
00:26:06,677 --> 00:26:06,927
but we're we're constantly

737
00:26:08,644 --> 00:26:08,894
talking about that with not only

738
00:26:10,444 --> 00:26:10,694
law enforcement but other first

739
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:11,361
responders

740
00:26:12,844 --> 00:26:13,094
because if something balls up

741
00:26:16,477 --> 00:26:16,727
you know it causes a lot of

742
00:26:20,244 --> 00:26:20,494
problems and so far I can I

743
00:26:20,844 --> 00:26:21,094
think I can say this we haven't

744
00:26:22,644 --> 00:26:22,894
seen the latest quarter numbers

745
00:26:24,677 --> 00:26:24,927
but actually

746
00:26:28,244 --> 00:26:28,494
there are the same number of

747
00:26:28,811 --> 00:26:29,061
crashes on I-70

748
00:26:30,744 --> 00:26:30,994
post or

749
00:26:34,711 --> 00:26:34,961
preconstruction as there are

750
00:26:35,377 --> 00:26:35,627
during

751
00:26:37,044 --> 00:26:37,294
and one of the problems with

752
00:26:38,844 --> 00:26:39,094
I70, the reason we needed to

753
00:26:40,644 --> 00:26:40,894
make some improvements is

754
00:26:42,344 --> 00:26:42,594
because that quarter became so

755
00:26:43,011 --> 00:26:43,261
unreliable

756
00:26:44,344 --> 00:26:44,594
because of crashes

757
00:26:46,611 --> 00:26:46,861
you know, I mean you just

758
00:26:48,511 --> 00:26:48,761
couldn't count on being able to

759
00:26:49,177 --> 00:26:49,427
drive across the state

760
00:26:51,044 --> 00:26:51,294
without running into some kind

761
00:26:54,411 --> 00:26:54,661
of a big crash and so right now

762
00:26:55,077 --> 00:26:55,327
at least quarter of a ago

763
00:26:58,677 --> 00:26:58,927
it was kind of mind blowing to

764
00:27:00,677 --> 00:27:00,927
me is that the number of crashes

765
00:27:01,377 --> 00:27:01,627
has not gone up during

766
00:27:01,844 --> 00:27:02,094
construction.

767
00:27:02,577 --> 00:27:02,827
which is

768
00:27:06,311 --> 00:27:06,561
pretty amazing to me

769
00:27:14,311 --> 00:27:14,561
just to build off your comment

770
00:27:14,944 --> 00:27:15,194
there before I go to

771
00:27:16,311 --> 00:27:16,561
Representative Burton

772
00:27:18,777 --> 00:27:19,027
so the number of crashes on I-70

773
00:27:20,544 --> 00:27:20,794
hasn't increased but just it

774
00:27:22,777 --> 00:27:23,027
it's causing more blockages

775
00:27:24,277 --> 00:27:24,527
because of the more confined

776
00:27:24,877 --> 00:27:25,127
kids you've lost all that

777
00:27:25,444 --> 00:27:25,694
shoulder space because you're

778
00:27:26,577 --> 00:27:26,827
working that's right. sometimes

779
00:27:28,277 --> 00:27:28,527
it takes longer to clear them so

780
00:27:31,011 --> 00:27:31,261
that so the the delay is more

781
00:27:33,044 --> 00:27:33,294
and certainly that's one of

782
00:27:34,544 --> 00:27:34,794
the reasons when I said we're

783
00:27:36,577 --> 00:27:36,827
having these kind of task forces

784
00:27:37,311 --> 00:27:37,561
with all first responders

785
00:27:40,277 --> 00:27:40,527
is to make sure we can clear

786
00:27:41,277 --> 00:27:41,527
them quicker because it does

787
00:27:42,544 --> 00:27:42,794
have other impacts right? People

788
00:27:45,044 --> 00:27:45,294
people start using local roads

789
00:27:47,144 --> 00:27:47,394
and you know we get a lot of of

790
00:27:47,811 --> 00:27:48,061
feedback from

791
00:27:48,544 --> 00:27:48,794
some

792
00:27:53,077 --> 00:27:53,327
pushing your traffic off on our

793
00:27:55,044 --> 00:27:55,294
roads and so that's why we're

794
00:27:56,344 --> 00:27:56,594
trying to have those ongoing

795
00:27:57,011 --> 00:27:57,261
dialogues

796
00:28:03,077 --> 00:28:03,327
but yes you're right exactly

797
00:28:04,544 --> 00:28:04,794
right Representative Burton

798
00:28:10,277 --> 00:28:10,527
thank you Mr Cha to inquirer

799
00:28:10,944 --> 00:28:11,194
Chair.

800
00:28:12,811 --> 00:28:13,061
Hi gentlemen, how are you?

801
00:28:13,377 --> 00:28:13,627
excellent

802
00:28:16,277 --> 00:28:16,527
I know you touched on this a

803
00:28:18,811 --> 00:28:19,061
little bit but how ismodot

804
00:28:19,344 --> 00:28:19,594
ensuring a

805
00:28:24,377 --> 00:28:24,627
federal matching funds are not

806
00:28:25,044 --> 00:28:25,294
left on the table

807
00:28:28,277 --> 00:28:28,527
we never we never have and never

808
00:28:28,977 --> 00:28:29,227
will leave any federal funds on

809
00:28:29,644 --> 00:28:29,894
the table.

810
00:28:30,777 --> 00:28:31,027
we make sure

811
00:28:32,811 --> 00:28:33,061
because there's a limit

812
00:28:34,577 --> 00:28:34,827
everybody thinks there's like an

813
00:28:36,277 --> 00:28:36,527
infinite amount and you just

814
00:28:38,544 --> 00:28:38,794
keep matching there there's an

815
00:28:41,011 --> 00:28:41,261
allocated amount every year and

816
00:28:41,744 --> 00:28:41,994
we make sure that we get that

817
00:28:45,011 --> 00:28:45,261
and it's among it's it's

818
00:28:46,811 --> 00:28:47,061
through many programs so you

819
00:28:48,277 --> 00:28:48,527
can't just say you know there's

820
00:28:49,344 --> 00:28:49,594
a big bucket of money there are

821
00:28:52,277 --> 00:28:52,527
literally tens of wies of I

822
00:28:53,111 --> 00:28:53,361
don't know how many programs but

823
00:28:54,844 --> 00:28:55,094
there's a lot and you all you

824
00:28:56,311 --> 00:28:56,561
all are always being proactive

825
00:28:57,111 --> 00:28:57,361
and looking and seeing what's

826
00:28:58,611 --> 00:28:58,861
offered that would be like

827
00:29:00,277 --> 00:29:00,527
malpractice for us not to do

828
00:29:02,311 --> 00:29:02,561
that when it's an eightyw match

829
00:29:04,577 --> 00:29:04,827
in fact there's there's a thing

830
00:29:06,577 --> 00:29:06,827
in that happens every August

831
00:29:07,177 --> 00:29:07,427
that's called august

832
00:29:07,644 --> 00:29:07,894
redistribution

833
00:29:10,811 --> 00:29:11,061
and it's really not more money

834
00:29:12,377 --> 00:29:12,627
it's really to get the authority

835
00:29:13,044 --> 00:29:13,294
to use

836
00:29:17,077 --> 00:29:17,327
other places in the country and

837
00:29:18,811 --> 00:29:19,061
we're not taking it from states

838
00:29:20,411 --> 00:29:20,661
these are this comes out of

839
00:29:20,944 --> 00:29:21,194
programs like

840
00:29:24,277 --> 00:29:24,527
you know the tiffy alone program

841
00:29:26,277 --> 00:29:26,527
and things like that but once

842
00:29:26,911 --> 00:29:27,161
you get to the end of the year

843
00:29:27,577 --> 00:29:27,827
if you've got your ducks in a

844
00:29:28,244 --> 00:29:28,494
row

845
00:29:30,544 --> 00:29:30,794
you can ask for more of that

846
00:29:32,544 --> 00:29:32,794
spending authority and so like

847
00:29:34,511 --> 00:29:34,761
this year we asked for another2

848
00:29:38,344 --> 00:29:38,594
but it really

849
00:29:42,277 --> 00:29:42,527
it really requires that we take

850
00:29:44,277 --> 00:29:44,527
care of our business and that

851
00:29:45,077 --> 00:29:45,327
our locals take care of their

852
00:29:47,077 --> 00:29:47,327
business that's the biggest

853
00:29:48,811 --> 00:29:49,061
challenge OK thank you thank you

854
00:29:50,544 --> 00:29:50,794
we're certainly matching every

855
00:29:52,511 --> 00:29:52,761
dollar that we can get our hands

856
00:29:54,277 --> 00:29:54,527
on excellent it sounds like you

857
00:29:54,944 --> 00:29:55,194
went to a conference

858
00:29:58,777 --> 00:29:59,027
regarding transportation was

859
00:30:00,544 --> 00:30:00,794
there anything that you learned

860
00:30:02,577 --> 00:30:02,827
from that conference that other

861
00:30:03,211 --> 00:30:03,461
states are doing that you would

862
00:30:03,877 --> 00:30:04,127
like to bring here

863
00:30:06,811 --> 00:30:07,061
you know when I go to these

864
00:30:09,111 --> 00:30:09,361
conferences it reaffirms that

865
00:30:10,544 --> 00:30:10,794
we're doing a lot of good things

866
00:30:12,377 --> 00:30:12,627
in Missouri because a lot of

867
00:30:13,044 --> 00:30:13,294
things that they're

868
00:30:13,511 --> 00:30:13,761
kind of

869
00:30:15,411 --> 00:30:15,661
concerned about we

870
00:30:20,511 --> 00:30:20,761
have already kind of tackled but

871
00:30:22,277 --> 00:30:22,527
the biggest the biggest concern

872
00:30:22,911 --> 00:30:23,161
right now is reauthors the

873
00:30:26,277 --> 00:30:26,527
the transport the federal

874
00:30:28,544 --> 00:30:28,794
transportation bill and not

875
00:30:30,811 --> 00:30:31,061
having a replacement for that

876
00:30:32,311 --> 00:30:32,561
that's why it's got I think

877
00:30:33,077 --> 00:30:33,327
every state in the country

878
00:30:34,777 --> 00:30:35,027
concerned. OK, I just wanted to,

879
00:30:36,277 --> 00:30:36,527
I just wanted to ask that and

880
00:30:37,011 --> 00:30:37,261
I'm going to just go through

881
00:30:40,544 --> 00:30:40,794
pretty quick here how ismoatt

882
00:30:42,277 --> 00:30:42,527
looking this winter

883
00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:45,094
how many employees short are we

884
00:30:46,377 --> 00:30:46,627
where do we stand when it

885
00:30:46,944 --> 00:30:47,194
comes to that

886
00:30:49,077 --> 00:30:49,327
you know I'll just be pretty

887
00:30:50,344 --> 00:30:50,594
frank here we are doing really

888
00:30:51,011 --> 00:30:51,261
well through

889
00:30:54,511 --> 00:30:54,761
we were net positive hiring

890
00:30:58,544 --> 00:30:58,794
for maintenance month after

891
00:30:59,144 --> 00:30:59,394
month after month and we hit a

892
00:30:59,811 --> 00:31:00,061
wall

893
00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:02,527
yeah that was going to be my

894
00:31:03,011 --> 00:31:03,261
next question was what is the

895
00:31:04,744 --> 00:31:04,994
current turnover rate? Is it

896
00:31:07,244 --> 00:31:07,494
getting better or worse? I would

897
00:31:08,344 --> 00:31:08,594
say for all the hiring

898
00:31:13,111 --> 00:31:13,361
after the last four months were

899
00:31:13,744 --> 00:31:13,994
net negative for the year

900
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:18,794
you know that's that's a

901
00:31:20,777 --> 00:31:21,027
challenge and can you compare

902
00:31:22,511 --> 00:31:22,761
that to last year? Is that where

903
00:31:24,811 --> 00:31:25,061
we were last year or net we're

904
00:31:26,777 --> 00:31:27,027
net better this year than last

905
00:31:29,044 --> 00:31:29,294
year but not by not by as much

906
00:31:31,044 --> 00:31:31,294
as to what we need ok

907
00:31:35,011 --> 00:31:35,261
how are you feeling about the

908
00:31:36,544 --> 00:31:36,794
speed limit increase? How is

909
00:31:38,577 --> 00:31:38,827
that process going? I saw that

910
00:31:39,177 --> 00:31:39,427
there is some pushback in the

911
00:31:42,277 --> 00:31:42,527
Ozarks does it seem like the

912
00:31:44,544 --> 00:31:44,794
commission is is

913
00:31:46,511 --> 00:31:46,761
excited about increasing the

914
00:31:47,244 --> 00:31:47,494
speed limit Are they hesitant

915
00:31:50,277 --> 00:31:50,527
where does that stand? I think

916
00:31:52,511 --> 00:31:52,761
we're being very methodical

917
00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:53,327
about it

918
00:31:54,511 --> 00:31:54,761
you know raising the speed

919
00:32:06,677 --> 00:32:06,927
could potentially have negative

920
00:32:07,344 --> 00:32:07,594
impacts

921
00:32:10,344 --> 00:32:10,594
so the approach that we've taken

922
00:32:11,011 --> 00:32:11,261
is

923
00:32:16,377 --> 00:32:16,627
objective criteria to look at

924
00:32:17,044 --> 00:32:17,294
every rural inter

925
00:32:20,811 --> 00:32:21,061
to make the decision to try to

926
00:32:22,544 --> 00:32:22,794
not make anything worse

927
00:32:24,344 --> 00:32:24,594
that process is underway

928
00:32:28,344 --> 00:32:28,594
the commitment that we would

929
00:32:29,011 --> 00:32:29,261
have all the

930
00:32:34,277 --> 00:32:34,527
and you were talking about

931
00:32:35,011 --> 00:32:35,261
something earlier that the

932
00:32:38,277 --> 00:32:38,527
legislator legislators passed

933
00:32:39,011 --> 00:32:39,261
that is reduced distracted

934
00:32:39,577 --> 00:32:39,827
drivers was that

935
00:32:44,277 --> 00:32:44,527
handsfree sitden's benning law

936
00:32:45,011 --> 00:32:45,261
which is the handsfree right

937
00:32:46,744 --> 00:32:46,994
that's that's what thought

938
00:32:48,777 --> 00:32:49,027
I'm just curious what your

939
00:32:50,311 --> 00:32:50,561
thoughts are on that real quick

940
00:32:52,811 --> 00:32:53,061
I still see tons of people

941
00:32:54,277 --> 00:32:54,527
holding their phones while

942
00:32:56,777 --> 00:32:57,027
they're driving. I lived in

943
00:33:00,277 --> 00:33:00,527
California for9 years and I

944
00:33:01,044 --> 00:33:01,294
think it was like a6700 dollars

945
00:33:01,711 --> 00:33:01,961
ticket if you were caught

946
00:33:05,077 --> 00:33:05,327
with anything in your hands that

947
00:33:07,277 --> 00:33:07,527
remotely look like a phone and

948
00:33:08,811 --> 00:33:09,061
so in California you did not

949
00:33:09,477 --> 00:33:09,727
pick up your phone

950
00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:11,761
nobodybody picked up their

951
00:33:12,077 --> 00:33:12,327
phone. it was just

952
00:33:14,777 --> 00:33:15,027
you knew it you got used to it

953
00:33:16,377 --> 00:33:16,627
and when I moved back here

954
00:33:20,277 --> 00:33:20,527
it it's just kind of astounding

955
00:33:22,544 --> 00:33:22,794
how many people still have their

956
00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:24,794
phones in their hands and I was

957
00:33:25,244 --> 00:33:25,494
curious if you think that the

958
00:33:27,211 --> 00:33:27,461
legislature should go further

959
00:33:30,277 --> 00:33:30,527
and allowing that to be a

960
00:33:32,277 --> 00:33:32,527
primary offense so they don't

961
00:33:32,877 --> 00:33:33,127
need to be committing a second

962
00:33:34,511 --> 00:33:34,761
infraction to be pulled

963
00:33:34,977 --> 00:33:35,227
overhould we be

964
00:33:39,077 --> 00:33:39,327
more proactive and just saying a

965
00:33:40,777 --> 00:33:41,027
police officer saw you holding

966
00:33:42,511 --> 00:33:42,761
your phone. you need to be

967
00:33:43,077 --> 00:33:43,327
pulled over and get a ticket

968
00:33:45,044 --> 00:33:45,294
Certainly that would have a

969
00:33:46,777 --> 00:33:47,027
bigger impact you know the

970
00:33:48,344 --> 00:33:48,594
impact that it currently has is

971
00:33:49,044 --> 00:33:49,294
a secondary has been

972
00:33:52,311 --> 00:33:52,561
but certainly I think we all see

973
00:33:52,977 --> 00:33:53,227
it right

974
00:33:56,311 --> 00:33:56,561
doing it so a primary

975
00:34:02,211 --> 00:34:02,461
distracted driving then a

976
00:34:02,777 --> 00:34:03,027
secondary OKok and I'm almost

977
00:34:03,411 --> 00:34:03,661
done here

978
00:34:08,444 --> 00:34:08,694
going back toannyi Muskoff and

979
00:34:09,111 --> 00:34:09,361
Caitlin

980
00:34:12,211 --> 00:34:12,461
and Jax and James Brooks and

981
00:34:13,077 --> 00:34:13,327
things like that we're coming up

982
00:34:13,711 --> 00:34:13,961
on5 years now

983
00:34:16,444 --> 00:34:16,694
the state of Missouri

984
00:34:18,311 --> 00:34:18,561
still owes

985
00:34:23,011 --> 00:34:23,261
an ny a Muskov $300,000 and I

986
00:34:24,877 --> 00:34:25,127
know this isn't all on you this

987
00:34:26,677 --> 00:34:26,927
has to do with the lawsuit and

988
00:34:28,444 --> 00:34:28,694
tort tort reform that's separate

989
00:34:29,111 --> 00:34:29,361
from Mmodo

990
00:34:32,877 --> 00:34:33,127
but I just want everybody on the

991
00:34:34,444 --> 00:34:34,694
committee to understand that

992
00:34:35,044 --> 00:34:35,294
that a modot worker was killed

993
00:34:38,411 --> 00:34:38,661
there were some problems

994
00:34:42,244 --> 00:34:42,494
many problems there and we're

995
00:34:44,477 --> 00:34:44,727
coming up on5 years and

996
00:34:48,644 --> 00:34:48,894
this family has still not been

997
00:34:49,344 --> 00:34:49,594
taken care of

998
00:34:52,844 --> 00:34:53,094
one last question and I

999
00:34:54,444 --> 00:34:54,694
appreciate you answering my

1000
00:34:55,077 --> 00:34:55,327
questions

1001
00:34:58,444 --> 00:34:58,694
is would you be open to

1002
00:35:00,244 --> 00:35:00,494
increasing the penalty for

1003
00:35:00,877 --> 00:35:01,127
speeding through work zones.

1004
00:35:02,677 --> 00:35:02,927
I've done some research on

1005
00:35:04,877 --> 00:35:05,127
thaturrently right now it's a250

1006
00:35:06,644 --> 00:35:06,894
dollars ticket for speeding

1007
00:35:08,444 --> 00:35:08,694
through a work zone which to me

1008
00:35:11,077 --> 00:35:11,327
seems absurdly low and when you

1009
00:35:12,644 --> 00:35:12,894
look at surrounding states and

1010
00:35:16,244 --> 00:35:16,494
what the penalty is there it is2

1011
00:35:18,444 --> 00:35:18,694
345 times higher in some other

1012
00:35:19,111 --> 00:35:19,361
states

1013
00:35:22,444 --> 00:35:22,694
do you think that modot to

1014
00:35:22,977 --> 00:35:23,227
protect their workers would like

1015
00:35:24,877 --> 00:35:25,127
to see that penalty go up

1016
00:35:25,411 --> 00:35:25,661
from250 dollars

1017
00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:30,461
you know, I'm not sure it's the

1018
00:35:32,411 --> 00:35:32,661
penalty that really matters

1019
00:35:32,977 --> 00:35:33,227
certainly that

1020
00:35:37,844 --> 00:35:38,094
we've also had conversations

1021
00:35:38,777 --> 00:35:39,027
about photo enforcement of work

1022
00:35:40,344 --> 00:35:40,594
zones that would be the most

1023
00:35:40,911 --> 00:35:41,161
effective

1024
00:35:45,344 --> 00:35:45,594
I had that here but I wasn't

1025
00:35:46,544 --> 00:35:46,794
going to ask it yeah yeah I know

1026
00:35:48,544 --> 00:35:48,794
that's a that's a controversial

1027
00:35:49,244 --> 00:35:49,494
subject but a lot of states

1028
00:35:50,344 --> 00:35:50,594
have done that

1029
00:35:55,211 --> 00:35:55,461
for school zones and work zones

1030
00:35:56,977 --> 00:35:57,227
in a lot of cases yeah but I

1031
00:35:58,744 --> 00:35:58,994
think talking about cameras and

1032
00:36:00,744 --> 00:36:00,994
stuff right now in the state of

1033
00:36:02,511 --> 00:36:02,761
Missouri I don't know how far

1034
00:36:04,511 --> 00:36:04,761
that's going to go which I think

1035
00:36:06,277 --> 00:36:06,527
the second best thing would be

1036
00:36:07,244 --> 00:36:07,494
to increase the penalty so

1037
00:36:09,044 --> 00:36:09,294
people aren't not a little slap

1038
00:36:10,411 --> 00:36:10,661
on the wrist and that and that

1039
00:36:12,611 --> 00:36:12,861
we should be

1040
00:36:16,811 --> 00:36:17,061
doing more to protect mo out

1041
00:36:18,277 --> 00:36:18,527
workers and I think if people

1042
00:36:20,511 --> 00:36:20,761
knew that the fine was higher it

1043
00:36:22,811 --> 00:36:23,061
would be less apt to speed. I

1044
00:36:24,277 --> 00:36:24,527
don't want to take everybody's

1045
00:36:25,011 --> 00:36:25,261
time. I appreciate you answering

1046
00:36:26,511 --> 00:36:26,761
my questions. Thank you Mr.

1047
00:36:27,077 --> 00:36:27,327
Chair.

1048
00:36:29,111 --> 00:36:29,361
p re s ent ative Mayhew

1049
00:36:32,744 --> 00:36:32,994
yes Mr Chair, I have an inquiry

1050
00:36:35,011 --> 00:36:35,261
or two here so thank you very

1051
00:36:36,744 --> 00:36:36,994
much Mr Chair. thank you very

1052
00:36:38,744 --> 00:36:38,994
much director for being here

1053
00:36:39,377 --> 00:36:39,627
today and thank you for all of

1054
00:36:40,044 --> 00:36:40,294
this information

1055
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:44,994
and it's much appreciated and

1056
00:36:46,744 --> 00:36:46,994
very informative to

1057
00:36:51,011 --> 00:36:51,261
to my friend from the Burton

1058
00:36:54,744 --> 00:36:54,994
district it looks like we have a

1059
00:36:56,811 --> 00:36:57,061
lot of opportunities to comment

1060
00:36:58,544 --> 00:36:58,794
since it looks like our friends

1061
00:36:59,244 --> 00:36:59,494
over on this side of the

1062
00:37:02,277 --> 00:37:02,527
building decided that2.8 billion

1063
00:37:03,044 --> 00:37:03,294
dollars in general revenue

1064
00:37:06,511 --> 00:37:06,761
wasn't worth showing up for

1065
00:37:09,011 --> 00:37:09,261
but let's talk about some of

1066
00:37:09,677 --> 00:37:09,927
that

1067
00:37:11,244 --> 00:37:11,494
if

1068
00:37:12,811 --> 00:37:13,061
if you don't mind

1069
00:37:17,011 --> 00:37:17,261
we besides the focus on

1070
00:37:18,944 --> 00:37:19,194
bridges which I enthusiastically

1071
00:37:21,177 --> 00:37:21,427
supported as you'll recall

1072
00:37:24,977 --> 00:37:25,227
we additionally had2.8 billion

1073
00:37:28,277 --> 00:37:28,527
in general revenue that went

1074
00:37:30,744 --> 00:37:30,994
toward one single project

1075
00:37:34,377 --> 00:37:34,627
of dubious distinction

1076
00:37:36,777 --> 00:37:37,027
but we've had other

1077
00:37:37,244 --> 00:37:37,494
contributions from general

1078
00:37:37,811 --> 00:37:38,061
revenue

1079
00:37:40,777 --> 00:37:41,027
and I liked your earlier comment

1080
00:37:46,777 --> 00:37:47,027
and statement about how we were

1081
00:37:48,744 --> 00:37:48,994
supposed to be supporting

1082
00:37:50,511 --> 00:37:50,761
transportation projects in fact

1083
00:37:53,011 --> 00:37:53,261
if it's not exactly specific at

1084
00:37:55,011 --> 00:37:55,261
least it's my understanding that

1085
00:37:56,777 --> 00:37:57,027
the way the constitution's

1086
00:37:58,777 --> 00:37:59,027
written there was never any

1087
00:38:01,011 --> 00:38:01,261
intent that the legislature

1088
00:38:02,544 --> 00:38:02,794
would support transportation

1089
00:38:04,311 --> 00:38:04,561
projects with general revenue

1090
00:38:06,544 --> 00:38:06,794
and now we have over the years

1091
00:38:08,544 --> 00:38:08,794
and certainly significantly in

1092
00:38:10,344 --> 00:38:10,594
most recent years

1093
00:38:13,044 --> 00:38:13,294
but the gas tax was supposed to

1094
00:38:17,144 --> 00:38:17,394
provide all that funding I think

1095
00:38:17,844 --> 00:38:18,094
it's fairly clear in the

1096
00:38:18,377 --> 00:38:18,627
constitution

1097
00:38:22,711 --> 00:38:22,961
the problem that we've gotten

1098
00:38:26,511 --> 00:38:26,761
into is is that as you and I

1099
00:38:28,344 --> 00:38:28,594
have discussed many times that

1100
00:38:29,011 --> 00:38:29,261
we

1101
00:38:32,511 --> 00:38:32,761
need a different way to fund

1102
00:38:34,611 --> 00:38:34,861
transportation projects one that

1103
00:38:35,277 --> 00:38:35,527
is as

1104
00:38:38,277 --> 00:38:38,527
the constitutional amendment

1105
00:38:39,211 --> 00:38:39,461
which allowed for a commission

1106
00:38:40,411 --> 00:38:40,661
intended

1107
00:38:43,044 --> 00:38:43,294
so that it would be

1108
00:38:44,311 --> 00:38:44,561
self-supporting

1109
00:38:50,277 --> 00:38:50,527
however we are here today and

1110
00:38:52,777 --> 00:38:53,027
you had mentioned earlier that

1111
00:38:54,277 --> 00:38:54,527
there are some challenges from a

1112
00:38:56,511 --> 00:38:56,761
cost standpoint we've seen some

1113
00:38:57,211 --> 00:38:57,461
significant increases in

1114
00:38:58,711 --> 00:38:58,961
construction costs but

1115
00:39:04,544 --> 00:39:04,794
missouri is unique in that

1116
00:39:06,544 --> 00:39:06,794
increase in construction costs

1117
00:39:08,777 --> 00:39:09,027
you and I had discussed many

1118
00:39:11,011 --> 00:39:11,261
times in the past we had a two

1119
00:39:14,277 --> 00:39:14,527
year period there where we had

1120
00:39:15,244 --> 00:39:15,494
a48% increase in construction

1121
00:39:17,011 --> 00:39:17,261
costs in Missouri and compared

1122
00:39:20,277 --> 00:39:20,527
to even Illinois at the time who

1123
00:39:21,311 --> 00:39:21,561
was sitting about 16% if I

1124
00:39:21,877 --> 00:39:22,127
remember correctly

1125
00:39:26,744 --> 00:39:26,994
and we you attributed that to

1126
00:39:29,277 --> 00:39:29,527
simply logistics supply chain

1127
00:39:29,944 --> 00:39:30,194
etc.

1128
00:39:33,044 --> 00:39:33,294
and which I'm still a bit

1129
00:39:35,244 --> 00:39:35,494
confused of why Oklahoma or

1130
00:39:38,311 --> 00:39:38,561
Illinois had somehow was able to

1131
00:39:39,011 --> 00:39:39,261
manage that and we did not

1132
00:39:40,744 --> 00:39:40,994
but

1133
00:39:43,044 --> 00:39:43,294
knowing that you were completely

1134
00:39:46,277 --> 00:39:46,527
honest with me on what you felt

1135
00:39:47,144 --> 00:39:47,394
like was the cause there

1136
00:39:49,211 --> 00:39:49,461
but don't you think

1137
00:39:52,811 --> 00:39:53,061
that dumping as much money

1138
00:39:56,977 --> 00:39:57,227
into the into heavy construction

1139
00:39:59,011 --> 00:39:59,261
generally through the arpa funds

1140
00:40:01,011 --> 00:40:01,261
and through this

1141
00:40:03,277 --> 00:40:03,527
considerable amount of money

1142
00:40:05,044 --> 00:40:05,294
that was spent on I-70

1143
00:40:07,077 --> 00:40:07,327
contributed to that increase in

1144
00:40:08,344 --> 00:40:08,594
construction costs in Missouri

1145
00:40:10,777 --> 00:40:11,027
don't think there's any doubt

1146
00:40:12,311 --> 00:40:12,561
about it right? You put you put

1147
00:40:12,977 --> 00:40:13,227
more sup

1148
00:40:16,911 --> 00:40:17,161
some of that

1149
00:40:18,544 --> 00:40:18,794
now if you look at the

1150
00:40:22,311 --> 00:40:22,561
inflation over the last five

1151
00:40:24,277 --> 00:40:24,527
years we're right on par with

1152
00:40:26,777 --> 00:40:27,027
our neighbors when we have come

1153
00:40:29,144 --> 00:40:29,394
a little bit closer to our

1154
00:40:29,677 --> 00:40:29,927
neighbors somewhat

1155
00:40:32,811 --> 00:40:33,061
but

1156
00:40:34,777 --> 00:40:35,027
we can see this reaching down at

1157
00:40:36,577 --> 00:40:36,827
the county level we're seeing

1158
00:40:37,244 --> 00:40:37,494
offy bridges double

1159
00:40:43,077 --> 00:40:43,327
in bid price which admittedly

1160
00:40:44,777 --> 00:40:45,027
diesel fuel has gone up that's a

1161
00:40:46,511 --> 00:40:46,761
significant component laborbor

1162
00:40:48,277 --> 00:40:48,527
costs have gone up but they

1163
00:40:48,877 --> 00:40:49,127
haven't gone up 100%

1164
00:40:54,511 --> 00:40:54,761
and so you know we there's

1165
00:40:56,511 --> 00:40:56,761
really only one difference in

1166
00:40:58,511 --> 00:40:58,761
what happens now and what

1167
00:41:00,511 --> 00:41:00,761
happened then is that we have

1168
00:41:04,311 --> 00:41:04,561
spent a lot of money at one time

1169
00:41:05,011 --> 00:41:05,261
on transportation

1170
00:41:07,044 --> 00:41:07,294
related issues not just

1171
00:41:08,277 --> 00:41:08,527
transportation, heavy

1172
00:41:10,277 --> 00:41:10,527
construction in general and

1173
00:41:12,977 --> 00:41:13,227
there's a limited ability of the

1174
00:41:14,977 --> 00:41:15,227
contractors that we have now in

1175
00:41:16,377 --> 00:41:16,627
order to do that work wouldn't

1176
00:41:17,044 --> 00:41:17,294
you agree

1177
00:41:19,044 --> 00:41:19,294
you know our industry has done a

1178
00:41:20,544 --> 00:41:20,794
really good job of of

1179
00:41:22,611 --> 00:41:22,861
taking on that

1180
00:41:26,377 --> 00:41:26,627
spike. I mean if you look at if

1181
00:41:27,044 --> 00:41:27,294
you look at I-70

1182
00:41:30,277 --> 00:41:30,527
we're getting prices that are

1183
00:41:32,544 --> 00:41:32,794
amazing now you may and I think

1184
00:41:34,511 --> 00:41:34,761
we've talked about it is does

1185
00:41:35,211 --> 00:41:35,461
that put pressure on other

1186
00:41:36,777 --> 00:41:37,027
projects really when we look at

1187
00:41:37,444 --> 00:41:37,694
it it hasn't

1188
00:41:42,344 --> 00:41:42,594
you know certainly bridges have

1189
00:41:43,044 --> 00:41:43,294
gone up for us

1190
00:41:47,077 --> 00:41:47,327
when I look at that bridge

1191
00:41:48,911 --> 00:41:49,161
prices have doubled in 12 years

1192
00:41:52,344 --> 00:41:52,594
so if you do the average of in

1193
00:41:57,111 --> 00:41:57,361
that's about the inflation rate

1194
00:41:58,411 --> 00:41:58,661
of of what the rest of the world

1195
00:41:59,077 --> 00:41:59,327
is going

1196
00:42:00,977 --> 00:42:01,227
that's

1197
00:42:02,577 --> 00:42:02,827
that's an issue

1198
00:42:06,277 --> 00:42:06,527
but it's not going to go away

1199
00:42:06,977 --> 00:42:07,227
it's not going to get better

1200
00:42:07,644 --> 00:42:07,894
Well

1201
00:42:10,511 --> 00:42:10,761
it will when we run out of money

1202
00:42:13,011 --> 00:42:13,261
I mean we'll see prices

1203
00:42:14,777 --> 00:42:15,027
moderate. My point on all of

1204
00:42:15,344 --> 00:42:15,594
that is is that

1205
00:42:18,311 --> 00:42:18,561
I mean from an engineering

1206
00:42:20,744 --> 00:42:20,994
perspective you and I are both

1207
00:42:21,411 --> 00:42:21,661
engineers

1208
00:42:22,677 --> 00:42:22,927
wouldn't it have been a more

1209
00:42:23,344 --> 00:42:23,594
prudent

1210
00:42:26,777 --> 00:42:27,027
to stretch these dollars out

1211
00:42:27,411 --> 00:42:27,661
over a longer period of time

1212
00:42:30,611 --> 00:42:30,861
and and then

1213
00:42:34,344 --> 00:42:34,594
result in lower inflationary

1214
00:42:35,011 --> 00:42:35,261
pressure

1215
00:42:40,277 --> 00:42:40,527
that's not what happened we know

1216
00:42:40,944 --> 00:42:41,194
we know that's not what happened

1217
00:42:44,377 --> 00:42:44,627
a lot of the one time money was

1218
00:42:45,011 --> 00:42:45,261
directed

1219
00:42:48,377 --> 00:42:48,627
normal program money

1220
00:42:52,311 --> 00:42:52,561
is kind of consistent and we try

1221
00:42:52,977 --> 00:42:53,227
to keep it that way

1222
00:42:58,811 --> 00:42:59,061
exact same thing there's no

1223
00:43:00,544 --> 00:43:00,794
there's no anomaly here in

1224
00:43:02,811 --> 00:43:03,061
Missouri. Well I mean at least

1225
00:43:06,277 --> 00:43:06,527
in our neighborhood I don't see

1226
00:43:08,511 --> 00:43:08,761
any adjacent state three lane

1227
00:43:10,844 --> 00:43:11,094
and I70 for instance in each

1228
00:43:12,844 --> 00:43:13,094
direction I don't see other

1229
00:43:14,844 --> 00:43:15,094
states contributing2.8 billion

1230
00:43:16,577 --> 00:43:16,827
dollars to general revenue

1231
00:43:19,111 --> 00:43:19,361
toward a single project which

1232
00:43:22,311 --> 00:43:22,561
has limited effects statewide so

1233
00:43:23,077 --> 00:43:23,327
I think there's some significant

1234
00:43:24,844 --> 00:43:25,094
differences between let's say a

1235
00:43:26,344 --> 00:43:26,594
Kansas and a Missouri with

1236
00:43:30,544 --> 00:43:30,794
regard to that and and

1237
00:43:32,544 --> 00:43:32,794
admittedly a lot of the

1238
00:43:33,111 --> 00:43:33,361
contractors who would be

1239
00:43:36,311 --> 00:43:36,561
interested in the size of the

1240
00:43:38,544 --> 00:43:38,794
projects are working in other

1241
00:43:40,544 --> 00:43:40,794
areas and limits our pool of

1242
00:43:42,311 --> 00:43:42,561
people who would be available to

1243
00:43:44,311 --> 00:43:44,561
bid on these projects in the

1244
00:43:44,877 --> 00:43:45,127
first place

1245
00:43:46,844 --> 00:43:47,094
but you know for instance you

1246
00:43:48,811 --> 00:43:49,061
and I discussed this that you

1247
00:43:50,844 --> 00:43:51,094
know2.8 billion dollars would

1248
00:43:52,811 --> 00:43:53,061
have completely eliminated ier

1249
00:43:54,577 --> 00:43:54,827
one completely iminated tier two

1250
00:43:56,344 --> 00:43:56,594
and most of tier 3 of the high

1251
00:43:57,011 --> 00:43:57,261
priority and funded need

1252
00:43:59,044 --> 00:43:59,294
which were a lot of those were

1253
00:44:00,544 --> 00:44:00,794
projects that have been sitting

1254
00:44:02,311 --> 00:44:02,561
around for a long time safety

1255
00:44:04,777 --> 00:44:05,027
most of them safety relateder

1256
00:44:07,077 --> 00:44:07,327
throughout the entire state but

1257
00:44:10,311 --> 00:44:10,561
as you astutely pointed out is

1258
00:44:12,544 --> 00:44:12,794
well too late now closing the

1259
00:44:14,311 --> 00:44:14,561
gate after the cow's out of the

1260
00:44:16,277 --> 00:44:16,527
barn doesn't do us much good but

1261
00:44:18,777 --> 00:44:19,027
where where I would be at on

1262
00:44:22,277 --> 00:44:22,527
this is that we were assured

1263
00:44:24,811 --> 00:44:25,061
from many conversations that2.8

1264
00:44:26,377 --> 00:44:26,627
billion dollars would be

1265
00:44:27,711 --> 00:44:27,961
more than enough

1266
00:44:30,777 --> 00:44:31,027
to accomplish this project of

1267
00:44:32,544 --> 00:44:32,794
three lanning entirely across

1268
00:44:34,777 --> 00:44:35,027
the state from border to border

1269
00:44:38,277 --> 00:44:38,527
and yet if I do the math on what

1270
00:44:39,011 --> 00:44:39,261
we've got sitting here in front

1271
00:44:40,577 --> 00:44:40,827
of us we're way over 3.1

1272
00:44:43,111 --> 00:44:43,361
billion dollars

1273
00:44:48,277 --> 00:44:48,527
and so the question mark and I

1274
00:44:48,977 --> 00:44:49,227
already know the answer to this

1275
00:44:50,811 --> 00:44:51,061
question because you clearly

1276
00:44:51,377 --> 00:44:51,627
laid it out here

1277
00:44:52,877 --> 00:44:53,127
is is that

1278
00:44:56,544 --> 00:44:56,794
what were you talking about at

1279
00:44:57,177 --> 00:44:57,427
that time when you said it

1280
00:44:58,644 --> 00:44:58,894
was2.8 and no more

1281
00:45:04,994 --> 00:45:05,244
well the two the .8 billion was

1282
00:45:06,777 --> 00:45:07,027
to add a third lane to I-70

1283
00:45:08,544 --> 00:45:08,794
across the state we're going to

1284
00:45:12,277 --> 00:45:12,527
do way more than that for2.8

1285
00:45:15,044 --> 00:45:15,294
every every project so far has

1286
00:45:17,277 --> 00:45:17,527
not only added a third lane but

1287
00:45:18,377 --> 00:45:18,627
it's it's entirely re

1288
00:45:24,511 --> 00:45:24,761
not only are we going to get a

1289
00:45:25,177 --> 00:45:25,427
third

1290
00:45:29,011 --> 00:45:29,261
systems

1291
00:45:30,577 --> 00:45:30,827
that's going to

1292
00:45:34,377 --> 00:45:34,627
and there were a lot of

1293
00:45:40,511 --> 00:45:40,761
prioritized that did far more

1294
00:45:41,177 --> 00:45:41,427
than

1295
00:45:44,344 --> 00:45:44,594
lane so the conversation was

1296
00:45:50,277 --> 00:45:50,527
lane across the state and we

1297
00:45:52,277 --> 00:45:52,527
have gotten like extremely huge

1298
00:45:54,377 --> 00:45:54,627
value by the process we've used

1299
00:45:55,044 --> 00:45:55,294
by our industry

1300
00:45:59,644 --> 00:45:59,894
I can tell you that that project

1301
00:46:04,344 --> 00:46:04,594
the value on that bar none

1302
00:46:04,911 --> 00:46:05,161
is

1303
00:46:09,077 --> 00:46:09,327
and that additional money to get

1304
00:46:10,344 --> 00:46:10,594
to it's 3.3 bill

1305
00:46:14,344 --> 00:46:14,594
has gotten

1306
00:46:18,377 --> 00:46:18,627
some of those have been driven

1307
00:46:19,011 --> 00:46:19,261
by economic

1308
00:46:28,511 --> 00:46:28,761
see probably some

1309
00:46:38,344 --> 00:46:38,594
Quite frankly some of the

1310
00:46:43,244 --> 00:46:43,494
is going to be that good

1311
00:46:47,077 --> 00:46:47,327
well yeah I mean for what we're

1312
00:46:48,811 --> 00:46:49,061
paying we better have a high

1313
00:46:50,811 --> 00:46:51,061
quality project you know over20

1314
00:46:53,077 --> 00:46:53,327
million dollars a mile is pretty

1315
00:46:54,544 --> 00:46:54,794
expensive when you already own

1316
00:46:55,177 --> 00:46:55,427
the real estate and all the

1317
00:46:58,844 --> 00:46:59,094
grading is done so that's a

1318
00:47:00,544 --> 00:47:00,794
that's a significant increase in

1319
00:47:02,577 --> 00:47:02,827
construction costs and and yeah

1320
00:47:04,577 --> 00:47:04,827
I would say that we're getting

1321
00:47:06,577 --> 00:47:06,827
pretty good value for our buck

1322
00:47:08,844 --> 00:47:09,094
whenever we compare that to a50%

1323
00:47:12,311 --> 00:47:12,561
increase in construction costs a

1324
00:47:13,111 --> 00:47:13,361
few years back

1325
00:47:13,444 --> 00:47:13,694
so

1326
00:47:16,311 --> 00:47:16,561
but that still means that we had

1327
00:47:18,611 --> 00:47:18,861
a50% increase in construction

1328
00:47:20,577 --> 00:47:20,827
costs during that period that

1329
00:47:22,577 --> 00:47:22,827
others did not experience

1330
00:47:24,611 --> 00:47:24,861
so a lot of it

1331
00:47:28,544 --> 00:47:28,794
if Ireread everything correctly

1332
00:47:30,544 --> 00:47:30,794
is federal dollars that were

1333
00:47:32,777 --> 00:47:33,027
used to do improvements but

1334
00:47:34,311 --> 00:47:34,561
whenever you say that was for

1335
00:47:36,811 --> 00:47:37,061
the three lanning the2.8 billion

1336
00:47:40,844 --> 00:47:41,094
your statement and maybe you

1337
00:47:42,811 --> 00:47:43,061
weren't clear enough was that

1338
00:47:45,077 --> 00:47:45,327
and and your predecessor was

1339
00:47:46,811 --> 00:47:47,061
that2.8 billion would be

1340
00:47:50,277 --> 00:47:50,527
sufficient to do that work you

1341
00:47:51,111 --> 00:47:51,361
didn't say that oh yeah and by

1342
00:47:52,844 --> 00:47:53,094
the way we're going to do these

1343
00:47:54,677 --> 00:47:54,927
other projects how, except for

1344
00:47:55,344 --> 00:47:55,594
one that you

1345
00:47:57,344 --> 00:47:57,594
did mention and I appreciated it

1346
00:48:00,311 --> 00:48:00,561
and that was the 185 million a

1347
00:48:02,611 --> 00:48:02,861
lot of it was an8020 match for

1348
00:48:05,077 --> 00:48:05,327
the flyover in Colombia and you

1349
00:48:08,544 --> 00:48:08,794
had included that as part of

1350
00:48:09,444 --> 00:48:09,694
this new three lanning project

1351
00:48:10,111 --> 00:48:10,361
on the first section

1352
00:48:14,811 --> 00:48:15,061
and so and in which case that

1353
00:48:18,277 --> 00:48:18,527
one also you had made a

1354
00:48:18,811 --> 00:48:19,061
commitment at the time that that

1355
00:48:19,544 --> 00:48:19,794
would be done in 3 years

1356
00:48:23,077 --> 00:48:23,327
and I think August was the three

1357
00:48:24,811 --> 00:48:25,061
year line so I'd say you're

1358
00:48:26,811 --> 00:48:27,061
probably pretty close to that

1359
00:48:28,877 --> 00:48:29,127
estimate and it looks like

1360
00:48:30,277 --> 00:48:30,527
you're on track for your seven

1361
00:48:32,811 --> 00:48:33,061
year estimate. I'm still remains

1362
00:48:34,577 --> 00:48:34,827
to be seen and and that's very

1363
00:48:37,111 --> 00:48:37,361
good but but at significant cost

1364
00:48:38,811 --> 00:48:39,061
in order to do that because

1365
00:48:40,544 --> 00:48:40,794
those compressed timelines also

1366
00:48:42,844 --> 00:48:43,094
tend to add cost to the project

1367
00:48:43,511 --> 00:48:43,761
correct?

1368
00:48:48,811 --> 00:48:49,061
they don't think it's happening

1369
00:48:49,477 --> 00:48:49,727
here

1370
00:48:49,727 --> 00:48:49,977
and we're getting

1371
00:48:52,577 --> 00:48:52,827
well I would respectfully

1372
00:48:54,544 --> 00:48:54,794
disagree with that because

1373
00:48:55,144 --> 00:48:55,394
that's just the way the world

1374
00:48:57,044 --> 00:48:57,294
works. You tell a contractor

1375
00:48:58,811 --> 00:48:59,061
he's got a week to get something

1376
00:49:00,277 --> 00:49:00,527
that would normally take a month

1377
00:49:01,077 --> 00:49:01,327
to get done and you're going to

1378
00:49:02,577 --> 00:49:02,827
get an increase in construction

1379
00:49:06,311 --> 00:49:06,561
costs because it's possible and

1380
00:49:07,077 --> 00:49:07,327
especially when you do a design

1381
00:49:10,711 --> 00:49:10,961
build situation but the on the

1382
00:49:14,277 --> 00:49:14,527
the other thing that we talked

1383
00:49:16,544 --> 00:49:16,794
about on I-70 and you assured us

1384
00:49:18,577 --> 00:49:18,827
that we wouldn't have a problem

1385
00:49:19,211 --> 00:49:19,461
with it

1386
00:49:20,544 --> 00:49:20,794
was that they had developed a

1387
00:49:22,544 --> 00:49:22,794
traffic control plan that would

1388
00:49:24,811 --> 00:49:25,061
result in very few delays and as

1389
00:49:28,811 --> 00:49:29,061
representative from the butts

1390
00:49:30,811 --> 00:49:31,061
district pointed out is it seems

1391
00:49:32,544 --> 00:49:32,794
like every time I try to get to

1392
00:49:36,777 --> 00:49:37,027
that exit at Kingdom City still

1393
00:49:38,311 --> 00:49:38,561
to this day we're seeing

1394
00:49:40,577 --> 00:49:40,827
stoppages there's I mean the

1395
00:49:42,544 --> 00:49:42,794
traffic comes to a complete stop

1396
00:49:44,844 --> 00:49:45,094
now it's better now because that

1397
00:49:47,077 --> 00:49:47,327
westbound lane is I'd say nearly

1398
00:49:50,577 --> 00:49:50,827
done I think apparently but they

1399
00:49:54,811 --> 00:49:55,061
folks are telling me about I-70

1400
00:49:55,511 --> 00:49:55,761
turning into a parking lot and a

1401
00:49:56,177 --> 00:49:56,427
lot of location

1402
00:49:58,077 --> 00:49:58,327
s along through thereon

1403
00:49:59,011 --> 00:49:59,261
accidents that occur

1404
00:50:04,277 --> 00:50:04,527
and and so which was a concern

1405
00:50:05,011 --> 00:50:05,261
of mine but there was a concern

1406
00:50:07,044 --> 00:50:07,294
of others who live and travel

1407
00:50:09,044 --> 00:50:09,294
along that corridor about how

1408
00:50:12,311 --> 00:50:12,561
that was going to work there's

1409
00:50:14,377 --> 00:50:14,627
significant sections left to

1410
00:50:15,044 --> 00:50:15,294
rebuild are we

1411
00:50:16,377 --> 00:50:16,627
addressing the

1412
00:50:19,077 --> 00:50:19,327
the shortcomings of some of

1413
00:50:20,777 --> 00:50:21,027
these other traffic control

1414
00:50:22,811 --> 00:50:23,061
plans that and try to address

1415
00:50:24,577 --> 00:50:24,827
that situation I mean our

1416
00:50:25,177 --> 00:50:25,427
commitment is to keep two lanes

1417
00:50:25,844 --> 00:50:26,094
of traffic open

1418
00:50:28,344 --> 00:50:28,594
and except for off

1419
00:50:33,111 --> 00:50:33,361
Certainly the the delays are

1420
00:50:35,077 --> 00:50:35,327
caused by crashes.s there's no

1421
00:50:36,844 --> 00:50:37,094
doubt about that. Well, but

1422
00:50:38,511 --> 00:50:38,761
you'd pointed out that crashes

1423
00:50:40,811 --> 00:50:41,061
are not a significant factor

1424
00:50:43,044 --> 00:50:43,294
here in a in the in a difference

1425
00:50:44,811 --> 00:50:45,061
in delays from I-70 before and

1426
00:50:45,477 --> 00:50:45,727
I-70 now

1427
00:50:50,277 --> 00:50:50,527
was that my understanding if you

1428
00:50:51,011 --> 00:50:51,261
look at the data that's what it

1429
00:50:52,511 --> 00:50:52,761
would tell you is that it's not

1430
00:50:53,244 --> 00:50:53,494
that much different than it was

1431
00:50:53,877 --> 00:50:54,127
before but

1432
00:50:56,777 --> 00:50:57,027
and and that kind of actually

1433
00:50:59,011 --> 00:50:59,261
makes sense because if there's a

1434
00:51:00,777 --> 00:51:01,027
delay in construction there's

1435
00:51:03,011 --> 00:51:03,261
less opportunity for a crash at

1436
00:51:06,544 --> 00:51:06,794
speed or distraction or whatever

1437
00:51:08,311 --> 00:51:08,561
other than those rear enders

1438
00:51:10,311 --> 00:51:10,561
which brings me to the other one

1439
00:51:11,077 --> 00:51:11,327
related to that of a

1440
00:51:14,777 --> 00:51:15,027
01 last thing on that was

1441
00:51:17,077 --> 00:51:17,327
you're talking about truck

1442
00:51:18,544 --> 00:51:18,794
parking which I think is

1443
00:51:20,577 --> 00:51:20,827
completely necessary but I don't

1444
00:51:21,277 --> 00:51:21,527
think we ever talked about that

1445
00:51:24,544 --> 00:51:24,794
in budget committee or or even

1446
00:51:25,177 --> 00:51:25,427
in transportation committee

1447
00:51:26,777 --> 00:51:27,027
about the truck parking and

1448
00:51:30,511 --> 00:51:30,761
and you know the utilization of

1449
00:51:31,244 --> 00:51:31,494
the rest areas which by the way

1450
00:51:32,777 --> 00:51:33,027
we don't have rest areas anymore

1451
00:51:33,444 --> 00:51:33,694
except for

1452
00:51:37,244 --> 00:51:37,494
Webster County I think is a full

1453
00:51:38,777 --> 00:51:39,027
rest area. I can't think of any

1454
00:51:39,444 --> 00:51:39,694
other one. all the rest of them

1455
00:51:40,111 --> 00:51:40,361
have been

1456
00:51:42,644 --> 00:51:42,894
turned into porta potties with a

1457
00:51:43,311 --> 00:51:43,561
truck parking

1458
00:51:46,577 --> 00:51:46,827
we'll still have rest areas we

1459
00:51:47,311 --> 00:51:47,561
have one at St. Clair. we have

1460
00:51:48,811 --> 00:51:49,061
one at oh yeah that's right I'm

1461
00:51:50,544 --> 00:51:50,794
sorry St Clai Conway

1462
00:51:54,544 --> 00:51:54,794
we have on St Clair the one that

1463
00:51:56,777 --> 00:51:57,027
has the inside pull off that

1464
00:51:58,777 --> 00:51:59,027
causes all the accidents just

1465
00:51:59,444 --> 00:51:59,694
dont

1466
00:52:01,077 --> 00:52:01,327
which oh good is it going to go

1467
00:52:03,077 --> 00:52:03,327
to outside? No, it's going to

1468
00:52:04,844 --> 00:52:05,094
stay where it's at OK, so we're

1469
00:52:06,577 --> 00:52:06,827
not going to see a reduction in

1470
00:52:08,277 --> 00:52:08,527
accidents there but truck

1471
00:52:10,277 --> 00:52:10,527
parking was a federal grant that

1472
00:52:12,577 --> 00:52:12,827
we went and competed for has

1473
00:52:13,144 --> 00:52:13,394
nothing to do with the right so

1474
00:52:13,811 --> 00:52:14,061
you're just

1475
00:52:16,277 --> 00:52:16,527
taking the opportunity to

1476
00:52:17,244 --> 00:52:17,494
include that OK, we're good and

1477
00:52:18,777 --> 00:52:19,027
thank you for pointing that out.

1478
00:52:22,311 --> 00:52:22,561
so some of the other concerns

1479
00:52:23,044 --> 00:52:23,294
that my constituents have

1480
00:52:27,077 --> 00:52:27,327
revolve around the way that some

1481
00:52:28,811 --> 00:52:29,061
of these improvements have been

1482
00:52:30,811 --> 00:52:31,061
contracted and so for instance

1483
00:52:33,377 --> 00:52:33,627
the bridges across I-44 in the

1484
00:52:34,044 --> 00:52:34,294
in the ralllah area

1485
00:52:38,311 --> 00:52:38,561
so we are seeing extended

1486
00:52:39,111 --> 00:52:39,361
periods where the contractor's

1487
00:52:39,744 --> 00:52:39,994
not working on

1488
00:52:44,277 --> 00:52:44,527
a bridge they mobilize on the

1489
00:52:44,877 --> 00:52:45,127
project they close down the

1490
00:52:46,811 --> 00:52:47,061
lanes and then nobody shows up

1491
00:52:47,444 --> 00:52:47,694
for a month

1492
00:52:51,044 --> 00:52:51,294
and and it's a so while that

1493
00:52:52,777 --> 00:52:53,027
might be ok at SugartreeRoad

1494
00:52:53,377 --> 00:52:53,627
which is low impact

1495
00:52:56,544 --> 00:52:56,794
the

1496
00:53:00,277 --> 00:53:00,527
the bridge that goes over to the

1497
00:53:02,544 --> 00:53:02,794
the commercial center in ralah

1498
00:53:04,644 --> 00:53:04,894
has been one lane for since it

1499
00:53:08,277 --> 00:53:08,527
since the contractor started

1500
00:53:10,811 --> 00:53:11,061
work and I've been by there on

1501
00:53:12,511 --> 00:53:12,761
wednesdays with the sun shining

1502
00:53:13,277 --> 00:53:13,527
bright and not a soul in sight

1503
00:53:16,544 --> 00:53:16,794
and

1504
00:53:18,311 --> 00:53:18,561
understanding that there's a

1505
00:53:18,911 --> 00:53:19,161
certain amount of programming

1506
00:53:20,977 --> 00:53:21,227
that goes in on how you develop

1507
00:53:22,744 --> 00:53:22,994
the construction timeline for

1508
00:53:23,411 --> 00:53:23,661
something

1509
00:53:26,544 --> 00:53:26,794
since it was the same contractor

1510
00:53:28,777 --> 00:53:29,027
working on 3 maybe4 bridges at

1511
00:53:30,777 --> 00:53:31,027
the same time it looked to me

1512
00:53:32,777 --> 00:53:33,027
like they were spread pretty

1513
00:53:34,744 --> 00:53:34,994
thin and so they were doing a

1514
00:53:36,311 --> 00:53:36,561
little bit on this one this week

1515
00:53:36,977 --> 00:53:37,227
and then a little bit on that

1516
00:53:37,644 --> 00:53:37,894
one next week

1517
00:53:41,011 --> 00:53:41,261
and so do we have somebody

1518
00:53:42,744 --> 00:53:42,994
managing that construction

1519
00:53:44,777 --> 00:53:45,027
schedule so that those higher

1520
00:53:47,077 --> 00:53:47,327
priority projects will be

1521
00:53:48,611 --> 00:53:48,861
accomplished in a reasonable

1522
00:53:49,177 --> 00:53:49,427
amount of time

1523
00:53:52,277 --> 00:53:52,527
we've given them a contract with

1524
00:53:53,044 --> 00:53:53,294
a completion date I'm sure but

1525
00:53:54,811 --> 00:53:55,061
I'll look I'm not sure the

1526
00:53:56,544 --> 00:53:56,794
details of that one but we'll

1527
00:53:57,311 --> 00:53:57,561
look at it guarantee you that a

1528
00:53:57,977 --> 00:53:58,227
completion date

1529
00:54:00,777 --> 00:54:01,027
but they had four bridges to do

1530
00:54:02,577 --> 00:54:02,827
at the same time and so but they

1531
00:54:04,544 --> 00:54:04,794
I'm guessing this is a guess

1532
00:54:06,277 --> 00:54:06,527
that a limited number of people

1533
00:54:10,277 --> 00:54:10,527
available and so where maybe you

1534
00:54:12,544 --> 00:54:12,794
or I would have said something

1535
00:54:13,211 --> 00:54:13,461
like well hey do this bridge

1536
00:54:15,011 --> 00:54:15,261
first because of the commercial

1537
00:54:19,011 --> 00:54:19,261
impact to city ofallah.t about

1538
00:54:20,777 --> 00:54:21,027
it to give you a good answer so

1539
00:54:21,444 --> 00:54:21,694
on the

1540
00:54:24,344 --> 00:54:24,594
on I-44

1541
00:54:28,544 --> 00:54:28,794
I love what you're doing here.

1542
00:54:30,777 --> 00:54:31,027
there's a lot of a lot of good

1543
00:54:31,444 --> 00:54:31,694
projects in here

1544
00:54:31,844 --> 00:54:32,094
however

1545
00:54:35,011 --> 00:54:35,261
and and maybe you can highlight

1546
00:54:38,511 --> 00:54:38,761
some of the other detail on it

1547
00:54:42,277 --> 00:54:42,527
right now the Arlington Hill

1548
00:54:44,777 --> 00:54:45,027
climbing lane is the

1549
00:54:46,511 --> 00:54:46,761
acceleration part of that lane

1550
00:54:48,777 --> 00:54:49,027
is way too short. The trucks

1551
00:54:50,277 --> 00:54:50,527
aren't even using the climbing

1552
00:54:50,977 --> 00:54:51,227
lane. We have a climbing lane

1553
00:54:52,311 --> 00:54:52,561
there but they don't use it

1554
00:54:54,277 --> 00:54:54,527
because they get trapped now a

1555
00:54:56,511 --> 00:54:56,761
few years backmodot had done an

1556
00:54:58,977 --> 00:54:59,227
extension of that but it still

1557
00:55:02,277 --> 00:55:02,527
didn't go far enough as part of

1558
00:55:02,977 --> 00:55:03,227
this project for these

1559
00:55:05,044 --> 00:55:05,294
improvements on I-44 is part of

1560
00:55:07,011 --> 00:55:07,261
that to make those improvements

1561
00:55:09,077 --> 00:55:09,327
in those climbing areas so that

1562
00:55:12,544 --> 00:55:12,794
so that we get to put the trucks

1563
00:55:13,211 --> 00:55:13,461
over there where they belong.

1564
00:55:16,744 --> 00:55:16,994
part of it is not sure don't

1565
00:55:18,544 --> 00:55:18,794
know that terminology which

1566
00:55:20,544 --> 00:55:20,794
one's a little tiny that's where

1567
00:55:21,244 --> 00:55:21,494
the bridge crosses a little pa

1568
00:55:23,011 --> 00:55:23,261
that's Arlington but yes we are

1569
00:55:24,777 --> 00:55:25,027
making improvements to climbing

1570
00:55:26,811 --> 00:55:27,061
lanes as part of these projects

1571
00:55:30,277 --> 00:55:30,527
so if I could interject real

1572
00:55:30,877 --> 00:55:31,127
quick herere representative I

1573
00:55:32,277 --> 00:55:32,527
know there's other meetings

1574
00:55:34,311 --> 00:55:34,561
happening here at 11 a.m. so if

1575
00:55:35,044 --> 00:55:35,294
we could try and got I got a

1576
00:55:36,744 --> 00:55:36,994
couple more minutes you do and

1577
00:55:38,544 --> 00:55:38,794
so

1578
00:55:39,044 --> 00:55:39,294
because these are things that

1579
00:55:39,711 --> 00:55:39,961
have been

1580
00:55:42,277 --> 00:55:42,527
pressing for quite a little

1581
00:55:44,977 --> 00:55:45,227
while and and we had these

1582
00:55:48,544 --> 00:55:48,794
issues long for a long period of

1583
00:55:50,511 --> 00:55:50,761
time on I-44. This wasn't

1584
00:55:52,511 --> 00:55:52,761
something that created I liked

1585
00:55:54,544 --> 00:55:54,794
the project where you're finally

1586
00:55:56,777 --> 00:55:57,027
rebuilding that stretch from the

1587
00:56:00,744 --> 00:56:00,994
sleeper exit on toward toward

1588
00:56:02,744 --> 00:56:02,994
Waynesville that pavement's

1589
00:56:04,544 --> 00:56:04,794
horrible shape and has been for

1590
00:56:05,244 --> 00:56:05,494
several years

1591
00:56:09,011 --> 00:56:09,261
but I also don't see a climbing

1592
00:56:09,644 --> 00:56:09,894
lane at

1593
00:56:12,777 --> 00:56:13,027
Northview Hill which is between

1594
00:56:16,277 --> 00:56:16,527
a marshfield and Springfield and

1595
00:56:16,977 --> 00:56:17,227
that's one of the biggest

1596
00:56:20,511 --> 00:56:20,761
slowdowns on anywhere on I-44 is

1597
00:56:22,311 --> 00:56:22,561
that just not highlighted here

1598
00:56:24,511 --> 00:56:24,761
or we haven't considered that

1599
00:56:25,177 --> 00:56:25,427
don't think that that's not in

1600
00:56:25,844 --> 00:56:26,094
our plan right now

1601
00:56:27,511 --> 00:56:27,761
all right

1602
00:56:31,011 --> 00:56:31,261
so last thing I've got Mr

1603
00:56:32,344 --> 00:56:32,594
Chair is

1604
00:56:35,244 --> 00:56:35,494
the the gas tax that we passed a

1605
00:56:37,011 --> 00:56:37,261
few years ago

1606
00:56:38,311 --> 00:56:38,561
so

1607
00:56:41,311 --> 00:56:41,561
it's not bringing in what we

1608
00:56:42,377 --> 00:56:42,627
thought it was going to is it

1609
00:56:44,944 --> 00:56:45,194
no I think it's

1610
00:56:49,011 --> 00:56:49,261
probably about what we projected

1611
00:56:52,511 --> 00:56:52,761
you know certainly we we have

1612
00:56:54,777 --> 00:56:55,027
projected that gas tax revenue

1613
00:56:58,544 --> 00:56:58,794
will turn flat and slightly

1614
00:57:00,544 --> 00:57:00,794
decline in the out years and

1615
00:57:02,777 --> 00:57:03,027
we're every time we've projected

1616
00:57:04,777 --> 00:57:05,027
that we've seen a growth in

1617
00:57:07,077 --> 00:57:07,327
gallons burned and really it's

1618
00:57:08,544 --> 00:57:08,794
about how many gallons get

1619
00:57:09,144 --> 00:57:09,394
burned right because it doesn't

1620
00:57:12,311 --> 00:57:12,561
matter what the price is and so

1621
00:57:13,011 --> 00:57:13,261
we have been pleasantly

1622
00:57:13,577 --> 00:57:13,827
surprised

1623
00:57:16,544 --> 00:57:16,794
that when we had projected

1624
00:57:18,377 --> 00:57:18,627
flattening of the gas tax

1625
00:57:18,944 --> 00:57:19,194
revenue

1626
00:57:20,977 --> 00:57:21,227
that for the last three or four

1627
00:57:24,744 --> 00:57:24,994
years we the the gallons burned

1628
00:57:26,511 --> 00:57:26,761
has gone up enough that it

1629
00:57:28,511 --> 00:57:28,761
continues to rise at a really

1630
00:57:30,744 --> 00:57:30,994
modest pace but I think now what

1631
00:57:31,444 --> 00:57:31,694
we're seeing is that

1632
00:57:36,277 --> 00:57:36,527
that flattening is happening and

1633
00:57:38,544 --> 00:57:38,794
so for our next five year plan

1634
00:57:40,377 --> 00:57:40,627
we're projecting0.% reduction

1635
00:57:43,377 --> 00:57:43,627
tax part of revenue

1636
00:57:46,711 --> 00:57:46,961
Now I don't know what it's you

1637
00:57:50,744 --> 00:57:50,994
know550 diesel and4 dollars gas

1638
00:57:52,344 --> 00:57:52,594
is going to do to consumption I

1639
00:57:53,044 --> 00:57:53,294
think if that

1640
00:57:56,811 --> 00:57:57,061
we'll probably see a little

1641
00:57:58,511 --> 00:57:58,761
different outcome here. Well

1642
00:57:59,077 --> 00:57:59,327
that's certainly depresses

1643
00:58:02,777 --> 00:58:03,027
demand so continuing on it there

1644
00:58:04,811 --> 00:58:05,061
was a component of that gas tax

1645
00:58:06,777 --> 00:58:07,027
where people could file for a

1646
00:58:08,811 --> 00:58:09,061
rebate and that was one of the

1647
00:58:10,544 --> 00:58:10,794
selling points to the

1648
00:58:12,811 --> 00:58:13,061
legislature and that well you

1649
00:58:14,311 --> 00:58:14,561
know it's going to be mostly

1650
00:58:14,944 --> 00:58:15,194
people from out of state that's

1651
00:58:16,811 --> 00:58:17,061
going to be paying this and that

1652
00:58:21,044 --> 00:58:21,294
you know that person can the

1653
00:58:24,344 --> 00:58:24,594
citizen can apply for a refund

1654
00:58:25,044 --> 00:58:25,294
and so therefore

1655
00:58:28,277 --> 00:58:28,527
it will have less impact on

1656
00:58:30,311 --> 00:58:30,561
people in the state of Missouri

1657
00:58:34,544 --> 00:58:34,794
so talking to the department

1658
00:58:35,211 --> 00:58:35,461
of Revenue

1659
00:58:37,044 --> 00:58:37,294
that is there's an enormous

1660
00:58:37,577 --> 00:58:37,827
amount of fraud

1661
00:58:40,511 --> 00:58:40,761
involved in it. They were

1662
00:58:43,011 --> 00:58:43,261
fortunately able to catch some

1663
00:58:44,811 --> 00:58:45,061
of it but there's still on the

1664
00:58:46,811 --> 00:58:47,061
order of a couple of million

1665
00:58:50,511 --> 00:58:50,761
dollars in claims as of2025

1666
00:58:51,044 --> 00:58:51,294
and

1667
00:58:53,077 --> 00:58:53,327
they've spent a significant

1668
00:58:56,277 --> 00:58:56,527
amount of time dealing with

1669
00:59:00,811 --> 00:59:01,061
the rebate issue to the point

1670
00:59:02,277 --> 00:59:02,527
where they're spending a lot

1671
00:59:04,544 --> 00:59:04,794
more money dealing with this

1672
00:59:05,111 --> 00:59:05,361
particular gas tax

1673
00:59:08,277 --> 00:59:08,527
than they would with anything

1674
00:59:09,077 --> 00:59:09,327
else that they do for you guys

1675
00:59:12,544 --> 00:59:12,794
and there's a significant amount

1676
00:59:14,977 --> 00:59:15,227
of money that is spent not just

1677
00:59:16,811 --> 00:59:17,061
with that but also doing the

1678
00:59:17,377 --> 00:59:17,627
collections for the regular gas

1679
00:59:18,044 --> 00:59:18,294
tax

1680
00:59:20,777 --> 00:59:21,027
but there was a couple of things

1681
00:59:21,444 --> 00:59:21,694
that came out of it that

1682
00:59:24,544 --> 00:59:24,794
that was shocking to me

1683
00:59:26,477 --> 00:59:26,727
the

1684
00:59:30,244 --> 00:59:30,494
in2025 the average refund was

1685
00:59:32,544 --> 00:59:32,794
162 $163

1686
00:59:34,777 --> 00:59:35,027
which I think that's a little

1687
00:59:36,744 --> 00:59:36,994
bit high for an average citizen

1688
00:59:37,411 --> 00:59:37,661
to start with but

1689
00:59:41,344 --> 00:59:41,594
the largest refund was for278

1690
00:59:44,844 --> 00:59:45,094
almost279,000 dollars

1691
00:59:46,944 --> 00:59:47,194
so that was one

1692
00:59:52,277 --> 00:59:52,527
person one group one individual

1693
00:59:54,477 --> 00:59:54,727
that was making a claim

1694
00:59:57,011 --> 00:59:57,261
of279,000 dollars and we assumed

1695
00:59:58,777 --> 00:59:59,027
that since they are probably a

1696
01:00:00,544 --> 01:00:00,794
large user that they do that

1697
01:00:01,211 --> 01:00:01,461
frequently every year

1698
01:00:04,711 --> 01:00:04,961
but and I certainly don't think

1699
01:00:06,277 --> 01:00:06,527
that was the intent but we're

1700
01:00:06,877 --> 01:00:07,127
obviously talking about someone

1701
01:00:08,544 --> 01:00:08,794
who does a lot of transportation

1702
01:00:10,277 --> 01:00:10,527
so a trucking company of some

1703
01:00:10,977 --> 01:00:11,227
kind or another but they're all

1704
01:00:12,977 --> 01:00:13,227
under26,000 we know that so we

1705
01:00:14,544 --> 01:00:14,794
can imagine who that might be

1706
01:00:18,277 --> 01:00:18,527
and so

1707
01:00:20,977 --> 01:00:21,227
but it was told to us that those

1708
01:00:22,811 --> 01:00:23,061
were the companies that most

1709
01:00:24,811 --> 01:00:25,061
supported the gas tax because

1710
01:00:26,377 --> 01:00:26,627
they wanted to see improvements

1711
01:00:27,044 --> 01:00:27,294
in transportation

1712
01:00:29,277 --> 01:00:29,527
Turns out that might not be true

1713
01:00:36,311 --> 01:00:36,561
what we've seen is about a it's

1714
01:00:36,977 --> 01:00:37,227
about a half

1715
01:00:42,377 --> 01:00:42,627
of people asking for the grocery

1716
01:00:43,044 --> 01:00:43,294
receipts

1717
01:00:46,511 --> 01:00:46,761
05 % is what the refund amount

1718
01:00:48,511 --> 01:00:48,761
has been lastst question for you

1719
01:00:50,511 --> 01:00:50,761
on that. I was told by an

1720
01:00:52,544 --> 01:00:52,794
employee of the department of

1721
01:00:56,277 --> 01:00:56,527
Transportation that early on the

1722
01:01:00,277 --> 01:01:00,527
11 of the largest refunders was

1723
01:01:00,911 --> 01:01:01,161
the Department of

1724
01:01:01,411 --> 01:01:01,661
Transportation. Is there any

1725
01:01:02,044 --> 01:01:02,294
truth to that

1726
01:01:08,844 --> 01:01:09,094
can you check into that for me

1727
01:01:12,277 --> 01:01:12,527
and tell us we're not asking for

1728
01:01:14,511 --> 01:01:14,761
refunds of the gas tax so no one

1729
01:01:15,177 --> 01:01:15,427
no

1730
01:01:19,044 --> 01:01:19,294
no subdepartment no one in any

1731
01:01:22,544 --> 01:01:22,794
official capacity with modot had

1732
01:01:23,277 --> 01:01:23,527
been getting refunds

1733
01:01:27,477 --> 01:01:27,727
back to the department by using

1734
01:01:28,144 --> 01:01:28,394
gas tax receipts

1735
01:01:34,277 --> 01:01:34,527
you say that affirmatively

1736
01:01:34,911 --> 01:01:35,161
without checking

1737
01:01:39,011 --> 01:01:39,261
but you will check for us

1738
01:01:41,044 --> 01:01:41,294
right thank you very much. thank

1739
01:01:43,044 --> 01:01:43,294
you Mr. Chair. right thank

1740
01:01:45,044 --> 01:01:45,294
youpresentative Burton. you had

1741
01:01:47,211 --> 01:01:47,461
a quick sidebar thank you Mr.

1742
01:01:49,044 --> 01:01:49,294
Chair. I just wanted to point

1743
01:01:52,277 --> 01:01:52,527
out I have appreciated this

1744
01:01:54,544 --> 01:01:54,794
committee so much and the folks

1745
01:01:56,511 --> 01:01:56,761
that sit on it especiallyres

1746
01:01:58,544 --> 01:01:58,794
representative from the Mayhew

1747
01:01:59,177 --> 01:01:59,427
district and I just wanted to

1748
01:02:00,544 --> 01:02:00,794
point this out I'm hearing

1749
01:02:02,811 --> 01:02:03,061
things like I like your project

1750
01:02:04,777 --> 01:02:05,027
you're on track. I appreciate

1751
01:02:05,477 --> 01:02:05,727
that it's better now

1752
01:02:08,777 --> 01:02:09,027
oh good, I agree with you there.

1753
01:02:10,777 --> 01:02:11,027
I love what you're doing there.

1754
01:02:12,544 --> 01:02:12,794
There's a lot of good projects

1755
01:02:14,777 --> 01:02:15,027
and I think we've really come

1756
01:02:17,011 --> 01:02:17,261
full circle and I just had to

1757
01:02:18,544 --> 01:02:18,794
point that out. I don't know

1758
01:02:20,544 --> 01:02:20,794
ifpresentative Mayhew is looking

1759
01:02:22,777 --> 01:02:23,027
to join modot again. I honestly

1760
01:02:24,311 --> 01:02:24,561
think he would be very

1761
01:02:25,011 --> 01:02:25,261
beneficial but I just had to

1762
01:02:26,777 --> 01:02:27,027
point that out. Thank you, Mr.

1763
01:02:29,077 --> 01:02:29,327
Chair redirect Mr Chair proceed

1764
01:02:34,544 --> 01:02:34,794
it would not be accurate to say

1765
01:02:35,211 --> 01:02:35,461
that it was a

1766
01:02:39,277 --> 01:02:39,527
a full endorsement of everything

1767
01:02:40,811 --> 01:02:41,061
thatmodot has done in the last

1768
01:02:43,011 --> 01:02:43,261
few years but there have been

1769
01:02:46,277 --> 01:02:46,527
under your direction some

1770
01:02:47,044 --> 01:02:47,294
significant improvements. I will

1771
01:02:48,511 --> 01:02:48,761
grant the gentleman from the

1772
01:02:50,744 --> 01:02:50,994
Burton district that and I

1773
01:02:52,544 --> 01:02:52,794
appreciate that which has always

1774
01:02:54,544 --> 01:02:54,794
been my goal as you well

1775
01:02:56,544 --> 01:02:56,794
remember that all of my

1776
01:02:58,311 --> 01:02:58,561
discussions were about what will

1777
01:03:00,277 --> 01:03:00,527
make it better, what will save

1778
01:03:02,277 --> 01:03:02,527
us money and I'm glad to see

1779
01:03:04,311 --> 01:03:04,561
that we are moving in the right

1780
01:03:05,011 --> 01:03:05,261
direction. Well, I always have

1781
01:03:05,677 --> 01:03:05,927
issues

1782
01:03:08,777 --> 01:03:09,027
with one thing or another I

1783
01:03:12,511 --> 01:03:12,761
think that's my job here so but

1784
01:03:14,277 --> 01:03:14,527
now you don't have to worry

1785
01:03:14,977 --> 01:03:15,227
about it anymore. Someone else

1786
01:03:16,511 --> 01:03:16,761
will take the mantle

1787
01:03:19,011 --> 01:03:19,261
perhapspresentative Burton will

1788
01:03:21,244 --> 01:03:21,494
take over from where I'm leaving

1789
01:03:23,011 --> 01:03:23,261
off.

1790
01:03:26,544 --> 01:03:26,794
thank you very much appreciate

1791
01:03:27,177 --> 01:03:27,427
your

1792
01:03:28,777 --> 01:03:29,027
interest in transportation

1793
01:03:30,777 --> 01:03:31,027
that's a good thing and on that

1794
01:03:33,044 --> 01:03:33,294
happy note I will we will

1795
01:03:34,544 --> 01:03:34,794
conclude this hearing on the

1796
01:03:35,144 --> 01:03:35,394
joint Committee on

1797
01:03:35,577 --> 01:03:35,827
Transportation

1798
01:03:37,644 --> 01:03:37,894
we are adjourned