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the joint entrance standing

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Committee on government affairs

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will come to order madam

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Secretary, please call the ro.

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Senator Krasner

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assembly member ger

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assembly memberwynnn

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and chair flores

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thank you madam Secretary.

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please let the record reflect

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that assembly member er is

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absent and assembly member

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uhyynn is not present but

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please mark them present as they

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make their way into the

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committee as it's my

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understanding that assembly

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member wenty will be joining us

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momentarily

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good afternoon everybody.

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welcome to the incredibly

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funittee on government affairs.

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I see everybody's a

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energy is high like mine it's

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our last one

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but I I do want to thank

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everybody for their patience we

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wanted to make sure we had an

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opportunity to have some

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conversations before we came

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into today's meeting and and so

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thank you for allowing us the

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time to do that a few minutes

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prior to today's meeting

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let everybody know that we are

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order it appears

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public comment for those of you

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who don't get to participate

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at the beginning we will have

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another session of public

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comment at the very end. I want

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to remind you thatublic Comm is

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limited to two minutes

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public comment that exceeds a

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two limit mark, feel free to put

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that in writing, submit it over

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to the committee and we'll make

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sure it gets uploaded to the

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record so we can get the full

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breathth of your public

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comment. With that I'd like to

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invite those wishing to join us

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for public comment this morning

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if you could please come forward

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and then I will move down to

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carson excuse me move up to

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carson cityity I see somebody

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there as well

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whoever wishes to go first

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welcome

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all right good afternoon members

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of theittee on government

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affairs. My name is Kevalgano.

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Once again I'm here to talk

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about the private investigators

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licensing boardard, also known

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as the PILB.

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has been covered on the news

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that oversight authorities are

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reviewing allegations that the

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PIL be granted security

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registrations to prohibited in

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individuals

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along with allowing unauthorized

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firearms to be issued for

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securityrelated employment

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verification of employment for

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armed security, also known as

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the VEAs form

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for more than a decade it

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controlled firearm regulations

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for security officers despite

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never having gone through formal

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rulemaking procedures to become

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lawfully adopted in the first

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On June7,2012 during a PILB

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disciplinary hearing

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defense attorney by the name of

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cody Mounteer challenged the

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pILB and their board council

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about the VEAS form not

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appearing in the Nevada

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administrative code

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for instructions on how to even

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implement that document.

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December11,2025, the executive

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director of the PILb stated on

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the certified record quote

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the verification of the

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employment for armed security is

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not in NrS or NAC

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this was a board policy that

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we've adopted, you know to have

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some kind of control for the

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firearms for the industry.

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My submission materials include

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two excerpts of those two

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meetings along with the version

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of the VEAS form dated from

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October of2014, 18 speakers

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showed up for public comment at

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the June10 PIOB meeting of this

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year to voice their opinions

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about the firearm regulations

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form most of which of them

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for the VAAS workshop scheduled

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for July twenty8,2026. it was

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canceled two weeks before that

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date with no rescheduling as of

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almosts done please

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all right I'd ask this

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committee to inquire the

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attorney general's office and

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its role in all of this, iv that

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their council was present at the

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2012 challenge and never

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corrected it even 13 years

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Overall I appreciate this

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committee for listening to this

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urgent matter. thank you and

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thank you for joining us and

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please feel comfortable

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submitting that in writing as

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well thank you

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whoever wish you to go next.

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Good afternoon chairir Flores

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and members of the joint interim

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standingittee on government

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affairs. My name is Moilani

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Tupu. I am a resident of Las

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Vegas and a native Hawaiian and

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Samoan fourth year medical

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student speaking today on my own

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behalf.

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please note that these

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statements are my own and do not

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represent my institution.

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I'm submitting this comment to

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address the critical need for

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administrative accuracy in state

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data collection specifically by

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aligning Nevada state agency

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race and ethnicity reporting

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with the reviseded statistical

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Policy Directive number1f

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Currently several Nevada state

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agencies combine Asian and

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nativehawaiian or Pacific

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islander into a single category.

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and Pacific Islander health in

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Nevada, I have found that while

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federal systems like thehaalris

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factor surveillance system do

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disaggregate these groups

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limited survey data hinders

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robust health research and

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obscures accurate baseline

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metrics.

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althoughthough improving overall

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survey mechanics remains a

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broader need for our state

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health surveillance the more

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immediate administrative barrier

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is the reporting of combined

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categories.

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publications like the Nevada

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DHHs Office of analytics

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minority Healthport which lists

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category that is not useful in

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analyzing either distinct

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population.

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this data grouping massed

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critical population differences

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overlooking thatnevada is home

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to the third largest population

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of native Hawaiians in the

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continental US and prevents the

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state records from reflecting

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the true demographic landscape

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required by federal standards

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without disaggregated data state

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agencies lack the precise

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metrics necessary to understand

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who they are serving and where

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resources are needed. thank you

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for your time, your leadership

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and for accepting this comment

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thank you for joining us. I also

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received a written request from

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from yourself and a few other

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individuals interested in this

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very area. I know assembly

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memberwynn and please let the

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record reflect that assembly

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memberwyn is present now uhs

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indicated that he had an

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interest in helping so I'm sure

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he'll be reaching out thank you

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whoever

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Good afternoonchair Flores and

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members of the committee my name

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is Nataia Tahir. I'm a resident

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of Las Vegas, a South Asianer

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do not represent my institution.

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I just wanted to add one point

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to what my colleague just here

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described that this is not a new

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standard it is not a difficult

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one to meet as well. Federal

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standards have listed Asian and

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native Hawaiian or other Pacific

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isslander as separate reported

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category since1997 just about 29

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years and the 2024 revision of

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statistical policy

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Directive15 SPD1f kept that

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separation in place. What we

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found in Nevada is that practice

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is inconsistent, not necessarily

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absent the division of welfare

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and supportive services already

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list the two categories

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separately on its application

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for assistance for example the

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data are being collected to some

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extent it is at the reporting

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and republication stage that the

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two groups get combined back

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into one. that means the fix is

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largely a matter of how existing

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data is tabulated. The

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legislature has done this kind

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of update before in 2023

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assembly bill139 added aiddle

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state data collection separating

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kind of change. there's also

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room to further follow updated

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we have submitted like you said

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a written comment with our

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documentation and we'd welcome

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the chance to answer questions

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from staff or members at any

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time. thank you for your time

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thank you for joining us.

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thank you to members of the

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committee and to chairir for

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flores. I am Janet Carter J A N

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chapter of the Sierra Clubgan

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organization as you know is the

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largest volunteer environmental

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organization in the state of

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Nevada. We are here today to

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express our strong support for

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proposed legislation that would

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improve the public's access to

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hearings of the public utilities

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commission of Nevada. It is the

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duty of all state regulatory

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agencies to ensure that the

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public's interest is fully

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considered in any rulemaking or

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legislative process

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the word public is in the very

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name of this body for a good

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reason. This proposed

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legislation would help ensure

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that members of the public can

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provide comments easily and

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safely regardless of any

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physical or other limitations we

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they may face. we've all seen

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and heard the stories of how

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members of the public were

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forced to wait outside in triple

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digit heat before commenting

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during the annual consumer

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session held by the pucCN in

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June.

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Members of my organization were

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unable to continue to wait to

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make comments because they began

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suffering symptoms of heat

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exhaustion. No one should have

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to risk their life or health to

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attend a public meeting of any

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sort

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in addition our members have

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experienced barriers to comment

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before the pucCm they're less

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obvious than that example. Many

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working folks cannot attend a

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meeting in the middle of the day

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on a weekday. Meetings

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specifically designed to hear

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public comments should be

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offered at various times of the

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day to accommodate those with

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other work or family

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commitments. The headquarters of

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the PCN as well as this building

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that we are currently sitting in

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in Las Vegas are not easily

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accessible by public transit if

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you lived in the if especially

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if you live in the

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north or northwestern parts of

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the valley

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these are just a couple of

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examples of why virtual or

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telephonic comments should be

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allowed for all meetings. The

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process for written comment must

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be clearly stated and easy to

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navigate and of course every

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attempt must be made to overcome

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language barriers faced by

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ratepayers.

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My organization is obviously

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concerned that Nevada utilities

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serve the public's need in our

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state in an efficient manner

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that conserves resources as much

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as possible. therefore our

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members strongly support any

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legislation that better enables

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them to express how our clean

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energy goals can best be

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addressed through the regulatory

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process. We strongly support

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this legislation that will make

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it easier for all Nevadans to

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advocate for healthier, more

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efficient and economical utility

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use and thank you for your time.

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and thank you for joining us

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good afternoon chairir Flores

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and members of the committee my

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name is Leemccalister. I am the

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executive director of the Nevada

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chapter of the American Academy

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of Pediatrics. althoughthough we

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submitted written comment on

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Monday I want to briefly add1

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point today. The Nevada chapter

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of the AapP takes no position on

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the legal liability question

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before you that's outside our

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expertise. We ask only that

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child health consequences be

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part of the record.

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F fear of a parent's arrest or

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deportation is causing Nevada

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families to delay or avoid well

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child visits immunizations and

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benefits their own citizen

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children are legally entitled to

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roughly3 in8 Nevada children

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have at least one immigrant

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parent and 93% of those are US

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born citizens. that chilling

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effect doesn't stop with the

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family directly involved. it

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threatens child and public

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health by reaching into exam

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rooms, school nurses offices and

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w

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w ic enrollment lines

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and it isn't limited to children

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whose families are affected. U

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see Riverside researchers note

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that even children who aren't

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directly targeted feel the

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impact when their communities

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are disrupted, creating what

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they call collective trauma

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among kids who watch a friend's

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parent taken away

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so as the committee weighs a

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bill draft request we ask that

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it be evaluated for its effect

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on child health access including

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sensitive locations protections

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for schools, hospitals and

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clinics. thank you for your time

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and attention.

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and thank you for joining us

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good afternoon and wel

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good afternoon chair and members

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of the committee my name is

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justinhobson H O as in paul S O

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N and I am a clean energy

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organizer with faith organis

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alliance a coalition partner of

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Nevada Environmental justice

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Coalition. let's be honest about

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what accessibility means if a

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working parent has to choose

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between a paycheck and a public

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comment that is not access. If a

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senior has to wait outside in

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triple digit heat just to be

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heard that is not access. If a

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r ural Nevadan has to drive

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hours for a nonElish speaker has

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to cut their three minutes in

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half because they need an

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interpreter that is not access

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and we have already seen this

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happen

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ack in June community members

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showed up to participate in a

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pucCN consumer session and were

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forced to wait outside in

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extreme heat because the

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commission decided to limit the

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number of people who could

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enter.

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these aren't inconveniencies

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inconveniences there barriers

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that determine whose voice gets

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heard. That matters because the

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pucCN makes decisions that

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directly affect whether families

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can afford to keep the lights

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on. when more than 200,000

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Nevadan households already face

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an unaffordable energy burden we

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cannot create a regulatory

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system where the people with the

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greatest stake have the hardest

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time participating. Our request

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is simple. makeke accessibility

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a standard, not a privi

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le ge Hold meetings at times

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working people can attend.

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providevide permanent phone and

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virtual testimony. Make written

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comments simple providevide

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meaningful language access and

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make sure meeting locations are

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truly accessible. The PCN should

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not decide whether Nevadans

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deserve access based on the

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meeting the day or the

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circumstances if the commission

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has the power to shape our

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utility bills thennevadans must

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have the power to shape the

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decisions that is what account

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ability looks like. That is what

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energy equity looks like. I urge

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this committee to support

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pucCN accessibility reform.

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thank you.

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and thank you for joining us

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please

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my name is Cassandra Jones and I

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am the director of organizing

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for faith in action Nevada.

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I'm here to represent our

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members who experience

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difficulty engaging with the

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pucCN previously including

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dealing with navigating wanting

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to testify but not being able to

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do so during their work hours

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inconsistent virtual access and

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even dealing with extreme

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temperatures while waiting to

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testify at previous meetings.

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they car deeply are directly

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impacted and want to participate

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fully and safely.

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we believe that the pucCN should

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make every attempt possible for

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s residents to share their

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concerns

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in ways that are accessible to

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the every every person that

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wants to participate

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in that to that end please

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support the BDr to make sure the

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pucCN is accessible to the

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public they serve

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thank you

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and thank you for joining us

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please

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thank you good afternoon uhir

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and members of the committee my

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name is Juan Carlo Guarddado and

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I am a community organizer which

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isannevada where I live the

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Eucilriccountability campaign

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so in my work I speak with

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volunteers and working families

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every day. many of them struggle

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to pay high energy bills and are

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sometimes forced to choose

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between paying for electricity,

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buying food or buying for

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medicine

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Our families want to make their

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voices heard at the PuccN

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but unfortunately

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every time I bring volunteers to

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consumer sessions we face

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significant barriers. First, the

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schedule

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meetings are often held when

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people are at work

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Second, the distance I have

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ridden the bus with community

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members and get to the PucCN

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pucCN officefice and can take

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almost two hours each way, ir,

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language access information is

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not always available inspanish.

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and when we need interpreter our

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speaking time is cut in half.

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and finally the condition

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in one of the last consumer

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session we saw many seniors

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forced to wait outside in

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temperatures over100 degrees

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just to have the opportunity to

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give public comments

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this ferrier should be put out

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of the process. we cannot have

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fair right decisions when the

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very people affected by those

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decisions came not fully

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participate.

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I urge

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to support these BDr for pucCN

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accessibility reform

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we need virtual participation

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options

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meeting times that work for

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worker families

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and mainful languages access

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please support this PDr and help

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make the piece in truly

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accessible to the public. thank

591
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you for your time.

592
00:18:03,246 --> 00:18:03,496
thank you for joining us

593
00:18:04,713 --> 00:18:04,963
Welcome

594
00:18:08,746 --> 00:18:08,996
good afternoon chairir Flores

595
00:18:09,313 --> 00:18:09,563
and members of the committee.

596
00:18:10,946 --> 00:18:11,196
I'm Hector Arriola, policy

597
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:12,730
fellow with the Nevada

598
00:18:13,180 --> 00:18:13,430
Environmental Justice coalition

599
00:18:14,946 --> 00:18:15,196
and on behalf of our coalition

600
00:18:16,980 --> 00:18:17,230
we strongly urge you to

601
00:18:18,746 --> 00:18:18,996
support the bill draftling

602
00:18:20,746 --> 00:18:20,996
requests expanding public access

603
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to the public utility commission

604
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:24,730
of Nevada. This would include to

605
00:18:25,246 --> 00:18:25,496
allow virtual or telephonic

606
00:18:26,746 --> 00:18:26,996
participation options for every

607
00:18:28,746 --> 00:18:28,996
public comment period

608
00:18:30,513 --> 00:18:30,763
improve the written comment

609
00:18:31,213 --> 00:18:31,463
process to be straightforward

610
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:33,530
and easy to navigate, improve

611
00:18:35,013 --> 00:18:35,263
standard practices to ensure

612
00:18:35,580 --> 00:18:35,830
language accessibility for the

613
00:18:36,246 --> 00:18:36,496
public

614
00:18:38,913 --> 00:18:39,163
non-English speakers saw their

615
00:18:40,713 --> 00:18:40,963
speaking time cut in half

616
00:18:42,513 --> 00:18:42,763
because interpretation now can

617
00:18:44,513 --> 00:18:44,763
counts against their

618
00:18:45,246 --> 00:18:45,496
allocated time contradicting the

619
00:18:47,013 --> 00:18:47,263
commission's own language access

620
00:18:48,980 --> 00:18:49,230
plan and for the last12 years

621
00:18:50,746 --> 00:18:50,996
the pucCN held two consumer

622
00:18:52,513 --> 00:18:52,763
sessions per day for their

623
00:18:54,746 --> 00:18:54,996
annual general consumer session

624
00:18:55,446 --> 00:18:55,696
one in the afternoon and one in

625
00:18:57,246 --> 00:18:57,496
the evening to maximize public

626
00:18:59,213 --> 00:18:59,463
participation this year they cut

627
00:19:00,980 --> 00:19:01,230
back to a single session at 1

628
00:19:02,980 --> 00:19:03,230
p.m. in the middle of a workday

629
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:04,730
citing that they're legally

630
00:19:05,380 --> 00:19:05,630
required to only host one

631
00:19:05,946 --> 00:19:06,196
consumer session per year.

632
00:19:08,713 --> 00:19:08,963
we want to ensure that consumer

633
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sessions will be held at a

634
00:19:11,213 --> 00:19:11,463
reasonable time where working

635
00:19:13,213 --> 00:19:13,463
people can attend just as a

636
00:19:14,513 --> 00:19:14,763
reminder as everyone has been

637
00:19:16,513 --> 00:19:16,763
mentioning on June16 community

638
00:19:18,513 --> 00:19:18,763
members including retirees on

639
00:19:20,513 --> 00:19:20,763
heat sensitive medication and

640
00:19:21,113 --> 00:19:21,363
fixed incomes were forced to

641
00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:23,030
wait outside in triple digit

642
00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:24,730
heats without access to

643
00:19:25,213 --> 00:19:25,463
restrooms, air conditioning or

644
00:19:27,246 --> 00:19:27,496
seating. The pucCN executive

645
00:19:28,780 --> 00:19:29,030
director blamed the private

646
00:19:30,713 --> 00:19:30,963
building landlord and fire code

647
00:19:32,513 --> 00:19:32,763
for keeping people out. They

648
00:19:33,246 --> 00:19:33,496
also cited the landlord as the

649
00:19:35,213 --> 00:19:35,463
recent press interviews, rallies

650
00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:36,130
and press conferences aren't

651
00:19:36,546 --> 00:19:36,796
allowed

652
00:19:41,213 --> 00:19:41,463
on site. We also we you also

653
00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:43,230
are not asking for multiple

654
00:19:44,513 --> 00:19:44,763
leases we're asking for the

655
00:19:46,513 --> 00:19:46,763
consumer sessions to be held in

656
00:19:47,213 --> 00:19:47,463
accessible government buildings

657
00:19:48,980 --> 00:19:49,230
like the Nevada legislator or

658
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:50,730
the Clark County government

659
00:19:51,246 --> 00:19:51,496
building where the pucCN has

660
00:19:53,213 --> 00:19:53,463
held has held meetings in the

661
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,130
past

662
00:19:57,013 --> 00:19:57,263
consumer sessions are vital. the

663
00:19:58,713 --> 00:19:58,963
decision made by the PugucCNs

664
00:20:00,713 --> 00:20:00,963
have direct impacts on millions

665
00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:02,730
of Nevadans and our ability to

666
00:20:04,513 --> 00:20:04,763
afford basic utilities. Consumer

667
00:20:05,213 --> 00:20:05,463
sessions are critical for

668
00:20:07,046 --> 00:20:07,296
communities to have direct

669
00:20:09,013 --> 00:20:09,263
voices in the in this process.

670
00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:11,230
RC should amplify these voices

671
00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:12,996
not suppress them. Re

672
00:20:14,780 --> 00:20:15,030
respectfully ask for your

673
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:15,530
support for this BDr that

674
00:20:16,746 --> 00:20:16,996
enshrines remote language

675
00:20:18,513 --> 00:20:18,763
access, reasonable meeting times

676
00:20:20,513 --> 00:20:20,763
and streamlined comment process

677
00:20:22,513 --> 00:20:22,763
and accessible buildings

678
00:20:23,346 --> 00:20:23,596
building locations. thank you

679
00:20:24,013 --> 00:20:24,263
thank you for joining us

680
00:20:27,213 --> 00:20:27,463
before we go to the next speaker

681
00:20:28,980 --> 00:20:29,230
here in Vegas because we only

682
00:20:30,746 --> 00:20:30,996
have one person in carson City'm

683
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:31,730
I'm just going to give them the

684
00:20:32,846 --> 00:20:33,096
courtesy we'll go to carson City

685
00:20:33,513 --> 00:20:33,763
please.

686
00:20:36,780 --> 00:20:37,030
thank you for that courtesy

687
00:20:38,746 --> 00:20:38,996
Senator Flores and members of

688
00:20:40,513 --> 00:20:40,763
the committee the Nevada I'm

689
00:20:41,346 --> 00:20:41,596
Erik Spratley SP R A Tl E Y.

690
00:20:44,780 --> 00:20:45,030
here on behalf of the Nevada

691
00:20:45,346 --> 00:20:45,596
sheriffs and chiefefs

692
00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:46,030
association

693
00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:49,030
representing the sevent elected

694
00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:49,730
sheriffs and numerous chiefs of

695
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:51,530
police and other law enforcement

696
00:20:53,013 --> 00:20:53,263
leadership in the state of

697
00:20:55,013 --> 00:20:55,263
Nevada we greatly appreciate the

698
00:20:56,513 --> 00:20:56,763
thoughtful and considerate work

699
00:20:57,380 --> 00:20:57,630
this interim commission has done

700
00:21:01,046 --> 00:21:01,296
in this interim but then we are

701
00:21:03,013 --> 00:21:03,263
brought to agenda item number6

702
00:21:05,213 --> 00:21:05,463
work session D6 requesting of a

703
00:21:07,646 --> 00:21:07,896
draft bill based on some

704
00:21:08,213 --> 00:21:08,463
testimony from a guy

705
00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:11,530
representing a group of people

706
00:21:14,780 --> 00:21:15,030
who defend bad cops you got that

707
00:21:17,246 --> 00:21:17,496
testimony in July. he says he

708
00:21:18,780 --> 00:21:19,030
likes the way a certain police

709
00:21:22,513 --> 00:21:22,763
agency in Clark County

710
00:21:23,613 --> 00:21:23,863
provides the questions that

711
00:21:24,180 --> 00:21:24,430
they're going to ask

712
00:21:25,180 --> 00:21:25,430
and then

713
00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:28,996
he doesn't like the way that

714
00:21:31,180 --> 00:21:31,430
LVMPD does it and to make it

715
00:21:32,546 --> 00:21:32,796
clear the Las Vegas metropolitan

716
00:21:34,513 --> 00:21:34,763
Police department is a premier

717
00:21:36,746 --> 00:21:36,996
law enforcement agency in the

718
00:21:37,380 --> 00:21:37,630
United States if not the world

719
00:21:39,946 --> 00:21:40,196
and that's not to say that they

720
00:21:42,780 --> 00:21:43,030
don't do things wrong

721
00:21:44,813 --> 00:21:45,063
occasionally but they are spot

722
00:21:46,513 --> 00:21:46,763
on on their internal affairs

723
00:21:48,513 --> 00:21:48,763
investigations and handing the

724
00:21:50,813 --> 00:21:51,063
questions to the to the officer

725
00:21:52,546 --> 00:21:52,796
who might be using some flot

726
00:21:53,346 --> 00:21:53,596
camera inappropriately or

727
00:21:55,046 --> 00:21:55,296
something like that you know you

728
00:21:56,513 --> 00:21:56,763
want to address those kinds of

729
00:21:57,313 --> 00:21:57,563
things but then we've got bad

730
00:21:59,513 --> 00:21:59,763
cops doing bad things and now

731
00:22:01,046 --> 00:22:01,296
you want law enforcement to

732
00:22:03,113 --> 00:22:03,363
provide the the questions

733
00:22:03,646 --> 00:22:03,896
that they're going to ask and

734
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:05,330
not ask any other questions

735
00:22:06,546 --> 00:22:06,796
that's just dumb we dealt with

736
00:22:07,113 --> 00:22:07,363
that back in 2019 we've always

737
00:22:07,846 --> 00:22:08,096
been trying

738
00:22:11,046 --> 00:22:11,296
to deal with it NrS289 is locked

739
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:13,530
in it's good if an if a law

740
00:22:14,780 --> 00:22:15,030
enforcement organization is

741
00:22:15,413 --> 00:22:15,663
going outside of that there's

742
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:16,330
some other remedies

743
00:22:18,780 --> 00:22:19,030
but to bring a committee bill

744
00:22:21,046 --> 00:22:21,296
that's inappropriate this guy

745
00:22:23,046 --> 00:22:23,296
has a problem with an agency or

746
00:22:24,780 --> 00:22:25,030
two and this committee

747
00:22:26,546 --> 00:22:26,796
represents the entire state of

748
00:22:27,313 --> 00:22:27,563
Nevada and so this narrowly

749
00:22:29,246 --> 00:22:29,496
focused bill is inappropriate

750
00:22:30,513 --> 00:22:30,763
and so on behalf of the Nevada

751
00:22:31,113 --> 00:22:31,363
sheriffs and chiefefs

752
00:22:32,746 --> 00:22:32,996
association we're going to ask

753
00:22:35,246 --> 00:22:35,496
that you strike agenda item6

754
00:22:38,513 --> 00:22:38,763
work sectiond6 from your

755
00:22:39,246 --> 00:22:39,496
consideration today because

756
00:22:41,513 --> 00:22:41,763
we're talking about a small

757
00:22:43,346 --> 00:22:43,596
fragment from an individual who

758
00:22:45,046 --> 00:22:45,296
made testimony you didn't get

759
00:22:45,713 --> 00:22:45,963
the other side of it you didn't

760
00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:46,663
ask

761
00:22:48,780 --> 00:22:49,030
for it or we just showed up so

762
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:49,730
we're gonna ask that you

763
00:22:50,713 --> 00:22:50,963
strike that and thank you very

764
00:22:51,413 --> 00:22:51,663
much for your time.

765
00:22:53,546 --> 00:22:53,796
and thank you for joining us

766
00:22:56,846 --> 00:22:57,096
do we have anybody else in

767
00:22:57,413 --> 00:22:57,663
carson cityity?

768
00:23:00,513 --> 00:23:00,763
seeing none we'll come back to

769
00:23:01,113 --> 00:23:01,363
Las Vegas. whoever wishes to go

770
00:23:01,780 --> 00:23:02,030
next

771
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:03,130
thank you

772
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:05,530
thank you for being here and

773
00:23:07,246 --> 00:23:07,496
taking public comments and for

774
00:23:08,513 --> 00:23:08,763
all the work that you've done

775
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:09,730
this summer. my name is

776
00:23:14,513 --> 00:23:14,763
Leslie Vega L E S L A E V E G A

777
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:15,530
and I'm with the Progressive

778
00:23:17,013 --> 00:23:17,263
Leadership alliance of Nevada or

779
00:23:19,013 --> 00:23:19,263
plan we organize with working

780
00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:21,230
class Nevadans on issues

781
00:23:22,780 --> 00:23:23,030
including utility affordability,

782
00:23:24,746 --> 00:23:24,996
environmental justice and

783
00:23:26,513 --> 00:23:26,763
consumer protection and we're

784
00:23:27,146 --> 00:23:27,396
members of the Nevada

785
00:23:28,746 --> 00:23:28,996
Environmental justice coalition

786
00:23:32,546 --> 00:23:32,796
we urge you to move forward

787
00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:33,430
with this bill draft request

788
00:23:35,046 --> 00:23:35,296
to make the public utilities

789
00:23:36,946 --> 00:23:37,196
commission of Nevada more

790
00:23:37,546 --> 00:23:37,796
accessible to the public

791
00:23:40,513 --> 00:23:40,763
for everydaynevadans

792
00:23:41,013 --> 00:23:41,263
hardworking Nevadans that can't

793
00:23:43,246 --> 00:23:43,496
attend these public utility

794
00:23:44,946 --> 00:23:45,196
commission meetings in person

795
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:47,130
access is

796
00:23:51,213 --> 00:23:51,463
feels inconsistent travelling to

797
00:23:53,313 --> 00:23:53,563
the pucCN can take a lot of

798
00:23:56,513 --> 00:23:56,763
time whether it's by bus or by

799
00:23:58,513 --> 00:23:58,763
vehicle personal vehicle and

800
00:23:59,280 --> 00:23:59,530
submitting written comment

801
00:24:01,013 --> 00:24:01,263
requires navigating a really

802
00:24:03,246 --> 00:24:03,496
complicated website and a very

803
00:24:05,013 --> 00:24:05,263
technical specific process.

804
00:24:08,746 --> 00:24:08,996
Language creates another barrier

805
00:24:11,213 --> 00:24:11,463
a previous person giving

806
00:24:14,713 --> 00:24:14,963
comments said that3 in8

807
00:24:16,513 --> 00:24:16,763
children have a immigrant

808
00:24:17,180 --> 00:24:17,430
parent I thought that was so

809
00:24:17,780 --> 00:24:18,030
powerful a powerful

810
00:24:19,546 --> 00:24:19,796
statistic

811
00:24:22,746 --> 00:24:22,996
language creates another barrier

812
00:24:25,013 --> 00:24:25,263
at the pucCN the proceedings

813
00:24:27,013 --> 00:24:27,263
and the materials are primarily

814
00:24:29,313 --> 00:24:29,563
in English probably only in

815
00:24:31,046 --> 00:24:31,296
English I haven't seen them

816
00:24:33,313 --> 00:24:33,563
often in another language

817
00:24:35,013 --> 00:24:35,263
when community organizations

818
00:24:36,746 --> 00:24:36,996
like Plann or members of the

819
00:24:38,513 --> 00:24:38,763
NEJc provide their own

820
00:24:40,513 --> 00:24:40,763
interpreter interpretation

821
00:24:42,780 --> 00:24:43,030
consumes half of a speaker's

822
00:24:44,746 --> 00:24:44,996
already limited public

823
00:24:47,013 --> 00:24:47,263
comment time so if individual

824
00:24:48,513 --> 00:24:48,763
like in this meeting gets two

825
00:24:49,180 --> 00:24:49,430
minutes essentially that

826
00:24:51,246 --> 00:24:51,496
nonEnglish speaker gets one

827
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:53,130
minute and their interpreter

828
00:24:53,546 --> 00:24:53,796
gets the other

829
00:24:56,513 --> 00:24:56,763
these barriers determine who

830
00:24:58,513 --> 00:24:58,763
gets hurt and who gets left out.

831
00:24:59,313 --> 00:24:59,563
Working people should not have

832
00:25:01,313 --> 00:25:01,563
to choose between a day's wages

833
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:04,930
and public participation at the

834
00:25:05,346 --> 00:25:05,596
pucCN

835
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:08,730
Elders should not have to wait

836
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:09,530
in dangerous heat to share their

837
00:25:11,313 --> 00:25:11,563
concerns. I was there I

838
00:25:13,046 --> 00:25:13,296
showed up early there was a long

839
00:25:16,746 --> 00:25:16,996
line of about50+ people and we

840
00:25:18,780 --> 00:25:19,030
waited three hours many

841
00:25:20,780 --> 00:25:21,030
people left because they were

842
00:25:21,580 --> 00:25:21,830
starting to feel sick from the

843
00:25:22,713 --> 00:25:22,963
heat.

844
00:25:25,546 --> 00:25:25,796
somebody I'm not sure who

845
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:27,530
provided water cool water for us

846
00:25:30,513 --> 00:25:30,763
and that was generous but other

847
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:31,530
than that we weren't we weren't

848
00:25:32,813 --> 00:25:33,063
given access even to the

849
00:25:34,780 --> 00:25:35,030
restroom or for folks that were

850
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:36,730
beginning to feel sick a chance

851
00:25:37,146 --> 00:25:37,396
to go inside into the AC.

852
00:25:41,046 --> 00:25:41,296
public participation should not

853
00:25:44,513 --> 00:25:44,763
be dependent on our income mark

854
00:25:45,213 --> 00:25:45,463
if you could just do your

855
00:25:46,746 --> 00:25:46,996
closing remark I'll leave it

856
00:25:47,646 --> 00:25:47,896
there thank you so much thank

857
00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:48,563
you for joining us

858
00:25:49,446 --> 00:25:49,696
whoever wishes to go next

859
00:25:54,746 --> 00:25:54,996
and if there's anybody else

860
00:25:55,413 --> 00:25:55,663
please feel free to occupy the

861
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,330
seats come forward.

862
00:26:00,513 --> 00:26:00,763
good afternoon chairir Flores

863
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:02,730
and members of the committee on

864
00:26:04,513 --> 00:26:04,763
government affairs. My name is

865
00:26:06,513 --> 00:26:06,763
Julia Gibson and I'm also with

866
00:26:07,413 --> 00:26:07,663
thegressive Leadership alliance

867
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,330
of Nevada.

868
00:26:12,780 --> 00:26:13,030
seververe heat exhaustion caused

869
00:26:14,813 --> 00:26:15,063
by deliberate confinement forced

870
00:26:17,313 --> 00:26:17,563
labor or the denial of adequate

871
00:26:20,513 --> 00:26:20,763
shelter, water and ventilation

872
00:26:21,180 --> 00:26:21,430
in a conflict zone

873
00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:25,030
can legally constitute wilfully

874
00:26:27,046 --> 00:26:27,296
causing great suffering or

875
00:26:27,613 --> 00:26:27,863
inhumane treatment

876
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,130
under article147

877
00:26:33,180 --> 00:26:33,430
of the fort Geneva convention

878
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:35,730
and a prosecutable

879
00:26:37,046 --> 00:26:37,296
war crime

880
00:26:41,113 --> 00:26:41,363
under article eight of the Rome

881
00:26:41,780 --> 00:26:42,030
statue.

882
00:26:43,346 --> 00:26:43,596
though it may seem like it

883
00:26:47,013 --> 00:26:47,263
this is not an international

884
00:26:49,180 --> 00:26:49,430
armed conflict so thus not a war

885
00:26:49,846 --> 00:26:50,096
crime.

886
00:26:53,446 --> 00:26:53,696
but the civilian equivalent is a

887
00:26:54,113 --> 00:26:54,363
crime against humanity.

888
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:56,930
this is only one tactic

889
00:27:00,513 --> 00:27:00,763
utilized by the public utilities

890
00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:02,996
commission to limit

891
00:27:03,446 --> 00:27:03,696
accessibility, avoiding

892
00:27:04,013 --> 00:27:04,263
accountability

893
00:27:08,513 --> 00:27:08,763
for their implementation of the

894
00:27:09,146 --> 00:27:09,396
daily demand charge.

895
00:27:12,780 --> 00:27:13,030
withoutout the proposed set

896
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:15,130
standards outlined in this BDR

897
00:27:18,513 --> 00:27:18,763
the pucCN will continue to

898
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:19,330
create their own standards

899
00:27:22,946 --> 00:27:23,196
thank you I yield my remaining

900
00:27:23,646 --> 00:27:23,896
time back to the committee.

901
00:27:24,713 --> 00:27:24,963
thank you for joining us

902
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:25,530
sir

903
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:31,530
good afternoon chair and members

904
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:33,330
of the community are members of

905
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:35,330
the committee and members of the

906
00:27:36,513 --> 00:27:36,763
community for that matter. My

907
00:27:38,513 --> 00:27:38,763
name is Anar Green. I am here

908
00:27:40,746 --> 00:27:40,996
with Battle born Progress. I am

909
00:27:43,013 --> 00:27:43,263
also standing in solidarity with

910
00:27:45,446 --> 00:27:45,696
the Nevadanvironal justice

911
00:27:46,013 --> 00:27:46,263
coalition

912
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,130
and I am here

913
00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:51,230
like my colleagues to urge you

914
00:27:54,513 --> 00:27:54,763
all to support the BDr in regard

915
00:27:55,246 --> 00:27:55,496
to accessibility reform

916
00:27:58,513 --> 00:27:58,763
I won't rehash everything you've

917
00:28:00,713 --> 00:28:00,963
heard because you've heard it

918
00:28:01,380 --> 00:28:01,630
already from

919
00:28:02,813 --> 00:28:03,063
scheduling a meeting in the

920
00:28:03,346 --> 00:28:03,596
middle of the day when people

921
00:28:05,046 --> 00:28:05,296
couldn't be there to making

922
00:28:07,013 --> 00:28:07,263
people stand outside in triplere

923
00:28:10,513 --> 00:28:10,763
heat to inviting members of

924
00:28:11,346 --> 00:28:11,596
three different law enforcement

925
00:28:14,513 --> 00:28:14,763
agencies to intimidate everyone.

926
00:28:16,513 --> 00:28:16,763
The reality is the public

927
00:28:17,113 --> 00:28:17,363
utilities commission of Nevada

928
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:19,730
did what they did because they

929
00:28:20,146 --> 00:28:20,396
could.

930
00:28:24,513 --> 00:28:24,763
to heck with all the excuses and

931
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:25,930
stories they've told they did it

932
00:28:26,346 --> 00:28:26,596
because they could

933
00:28:28,980 --> 00:28:29,230
and that's why we're here urging

934
00:28:29,646 --> 00:28:29,896
you

935
00:28:33,246 --> 00:28:33,496
to consider this BDr about

936
00:28:36,546 --> 00:28:36,796
accessibility reform because no

937
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:37,530
one should have to face with any

938
00:28:38,946 --> 00:28:39,196
of us had to face on June16th.

939
00:28:42,513 --> 00:28:42,763
and the reality is the way the

940
00:28:45,013 --> 00:28:45,263
pucCN has behaved has been

941
00:28:48,513 --> 00:28:48,763
unpucking believable and if you

942
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,730
cringed because you thought I

943
00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:50,430
was being profane right there

944
00:28:54,746 --> 00:28:54,996
good because we cringe everyday

945
00:28:56,780 --> 00:28:57,030
at the profane behavior of the

946
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:58,730
public utilities commission of

947
00:28:59,580 --> 00:28:59,830
Nevada. so thank you for your

948
00:29:01,313 --> 00:29:01,563
time we urge you to consider

949
00:29:03,146 --> 00:29:03,396
this BDR and I'll yield the rest

950
00:29:03,846 --> 00:29:04,096
of mine.

951
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:07,530
and thank you for joining us. Is

952
00:29:08,646 --> 00:29:08,896
there anybody else wishing to

953
00:29:09,346 --> 00:29:09,596
come forward in Las Vegas?

954
00:29:11,513 --> 00:29:11,763
seeing none

955
00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:15,463
and seeing none in Carson City

956
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:16,930
will go to the phone lines

957
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:17,530
anybody wishing to join us over

958
00:29:17,946 --> 00:29:18,196
the phone?

959
00:29:21,013 --> 00:29:21,263
the public line is open and

960
00:29:22,780 --> 00:29:23,030
working and there are no cos to

961
00:29:23,446 --> 00:29:23,696
provide public comment at this

962
00:29:24,146 --> 00:29:24,396
time.

963
00:29:27,046 --> 00:29:27,296
Thank you. Next we'll move to

964
00:29:29,013 --> 00:29:29,263
the next agenda item which is

965
00:29:30,746 --> 00:29:30,996
agenda item number3 the approval

966
00:29:33,246 --> 00:29:33,496
of the minutes for March5th and

967
00:29:35,013 --> 00:29:35,263
April2nd.membs they trust that

968
00:29:36,546 --> 00:29:36,796
you've all had an opportunity to

969
00:29:37,246 --> 00:29:37,496
review those you have a copy of

970
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:39,730
those on your desk and

971
00:29:39,913 --> 00:29:40,163
accessible via online

972
00:29:42,713 --> 00:29:42,963
at this time I'd like to

973
00:29:43,213 --> 00:29:43,463
entertain emotion

974
00:29:46,846 --> 00:29:47,096
for the approval of the minutes

975
00:29:53,163 --> 00:29:53,413
was that oh so senatorynynnn has

976
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:54,930
made excuse me assembly member

977
00:29:55,346 --> 00:29:55,596
win

978
00:29:59,213 --> 00:29:59,463
that did I just insult you

979
00:29:59,746 --> 00:29:59,996
assembly member

980
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:04,730
assembly memberwyn has made the

981
00:30:06,980 --> 00:30:07,230
motion to approve the minutes

982
00:30:09,013 --> 00:30:09,263
for March5th and April2nd and

983
00:30:10,746 --> 00:30:10,996
vicechair consonent has seconded

984
00:30:11,380 --> 00:30:11,630
that members any discussion

985
00:30:14,746 --> 00:30:14,996
seeing none all those in favor

986
00:30:16,513 --> 00:30:16,763
please signify by saying aye

987
00:30:17,113 --> 00:30:17,363
those again say a

988
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:21,530
motion carries unanimously thank

989
00:30:24,513 --> 00:30:24,763
you. next I'd like to invite

990
00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:27,030
Mr Warren Hardy to come

991
00:30:28,746 --> 00:30:28,996
forward for a presentation which

992
00:30:29,413 --> 00:30:29,663
he promised would be very brief

993
00:30:34,746 --> 00:30:34,996
good afternoon welcome whenever

994
00:30:36,746 --> 00:30:36,996
you're ready. thank you chair

995
00:30:37,346 --> 00:30:37,596
members of the committee Warren

996
00:30:38,846 --> 00:30:39,096
Hardy

997
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:41,530
I'm here on behalf of a couple

998
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:43,530
of my clients umnevada pick

999
00:30:44,646 --> 00:30:44,896
apart and ssa recycling

1000
00:30:47,213 --> 00:30:47,463
this is not a bill that we're

1001
00:30:50,546 --> 00:30:50,796
seeking for our business

1002
00:30:51,113 --> 00:30:51,363
these two clients are

1003
00:30:52,980 --> 00:30:53,230
historically very involved in

1004
00:30:54,713 --> 00:30:54,963
trying to work on legislation

1005
00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:57,230
that does certainly better the

1006
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:59,230
industry but hopefully betters

1007
00:31:01,213 --> 00:31:01,463
better is the circumstances

1008
00:31:04,513 --> 00:31:04,763
for members of the public

1009
00:31:05,246 --> 00:31:05,496
at the I think at the very first

1010
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:07,530
meeting of this of this

1011
00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:09,030
committee there was a

1012
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:10,730
presentation on the abandoned

1013
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:13,230
vehicles and the problems

1014
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:14,930
there I was in attendance for

1015
00:31:15,346 --> 00:31:15,596
that and

1016
00:31:16,946 --> 00:31:17,196
went back and spoke to my client

1017
00:31:18,946 --> 00:31:19,196
again we we were very involved

1018
00:31:20,513 --> 00:31:20,763
in the catalytic converter

1019
00:31:23,246 --> 00:31:23,496
statute in the in the new

1020
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:27,230
scrap metal copper wire theft

1021
00:31:28,980 --> 00:31:29,230
legislation which has proven to

1022
00:31:30,980 --> 00:31:31,230
be successful. So I went back to

1023
00:31:32,513 --> 00:31:32,763
my client and to the industry

1024
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:33,530
and said this is another issue

1025
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:35,530
that we need to build on can

1026
00:31:37,246 --> 00:31:37,496
we come up with some suggestions

1027
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:39,230
on how we might draft

1028
00:31:41,246 --> 00:31:41,496
legislation to continue to

1029
00:31:43,246 --> 00:31:43,496
address the problem of abandoned

1030
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:44,930
vehicles. We did last session as

1031
00:31:45,346 --> 00:31:45,596
you know

1032
00:31:48,946 --> 00:31:49,196
AB4fif which was a a pretty

1033
00:31:50,513 --> 00:31:50,763
successful piece of legislation

1034
00:31:52,746 --> 00:31:52,996
dealing with abandoned vehicles.

1035
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:54,996
we we look at this as an

1036
00:31:56,980 --> 00:31:57,230
extension of that or building on

1037
00:31:59,180 --> 00:31:59,430
that to address hopefully

1038
00:32:00,980 --> 00:32:01,230
vehicles before they are

1039
00:32:02,780 --> 00:32:03,030
abandoned and and the vehicles

1040
00:32:04,513 --> 00:32:04,763
that are existing out there that

1041
00:32:06,746 --> 00:32:06,996
are are likely to be abandoned

1042
00:32:08,980 --> 00:32:09,230
because of the law. so if it

1043
00:32:10,546 --> 00:32:10,796
pleases the chair do you have a

1044
00:32:12,846 --> 00:32:13,096
PowerPoint presentation I'm

1045
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:14,930
gonna introduce a new concept

1046
00:32:15,346 --> 00:32:15,596
for Nevada it's not

1047
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:18,730
new nationally but it's a a a

1048
00:32:20,513 --> 00:32:20,763
description that we are a

1049
00:32:21,113 --> 00:32:21,363
description that we call

1050
00:32:22,980 --> 00:32:23,230
derelict vehicles and that's a

1051
00:32:26,746 --> 00:32:26,996
very specific type of vehicle

1052
00:32:27,346 --> 00:32:27,596
again we're looking to build on

1053
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:30,730
the success of 24 assembly bill

1054
00:32:32,513 --> 00:32:32,763
fifte which was specifically

1055
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:34,730
addressed at abandoned vehicles

1056
00:32:36,513 --> 00:32:36,763
and did also increase the junk

1057
00:32:38,513 --> 00:32:38,763
certificate threshold from 200

1058
00:32:40,746 --> 00:32:40,996
to500 to include more of these

1059
00:32:42,980 --> 00:32:43,230
bills unfortunately the way the

1060
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:44,930
bill is drafted it requires a

1061
00:32:45,346 --> 00:32:45,596
vehicle to be abandoned

1062
00:32:48,713 --> 00:32:48,963
to be in the public in the

1063
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:50,930
desert and some public place

1064
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,730
and it also requires that they

1065
00:32:55,146 --> 00:32:55,396
meet the definition of a junk

1066
00:32:58,746 --> 00:32:58,996
vehicle as defined in statute

1067
00:33:00,713 --> 00:33:00,963
so it does a pretty good job of

1068
00:33:02,513 --> 00:33:02,763
addressing that narrow set of

1069
00:33:03,180 --> 00:33:03,430
circumstances or those narrow

1070
00:33:04,746 --> 00:33:04,996
set of vehicles and it was

1071
00:33:06,713 --> 00:33:06,963
primarily aimed at at RVs and

1072
00:33:08,980 --> 00:33:09,230
boats and and and other types

1073
00:33:10,813 --> 00:33:11,063
of vehicles that we all see

1074
00:33:13,013 --> 00:33:13,263
abandoned and dumped in in in

1075
00:33:16,513 --> 00:33:16,763
the in the in the state so

1076
00:33:18,513 --> 00:33:18,763
this is is looking to build on

1077
00:33:20,513 --> 00:33:20,763
that so what I mean what do I

1078
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:21,430
mean by a derelict vehicle

1079
00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:22,030
versus an a

1080
00:33:22,946 --> 00:33:23,196
ban d on ed or a junk

1081
00:33:24,980 --> 00:33:25,230
vehicle.dar derelict vehicle if

1082
00:33:26,913 --> 00:33:27,163
you looked at the the states and

1083
00:33:28,713 --> 00:33:28,963
I I list them here in a minute

1084
00:33:29,446 --> 00:33:29,696
but there's a few states that

1085
00:33:32,513 --> 00:33:32,763
have derelict vehicle statutes.

1086
00:33:34,513 --> 00:33:34,763
they primarily defined a

1087
00:33:36,513 --> 00:33:36,763
derelict vehicle as one that is

1088
00:33:38,746 --> 00:33:38,996
at least10 years old that has

1089
00:33:40,813 --> 00:33:41,063
a relatively low value is

1090
00:33:43,313 --> 00:33:43,563
incomplete or inoperable and

1091
00:33:46,513 --> 00:33:46,763
who's and whose primary or

1092
00:33:48,513 --> 00:33:48,763
highest value as a scrap metal

1093
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:49,930
or disc dismantled parts rather

1094
00:33:50,346 --> 00:33:50,596
than transportation

1095
00:33:52,980 --> 00:33:53,230
it also is a vehicle that does

1096
00:33:54,980 --> 00:33:55,230
not have ownership documents and

1097
00:33:56,746 --> 00:33:56,996
that's the key to this

1098
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:57,730
legislation. This is where we're

1099
00:33:58,746 --> 00:33:58,996
running into the biggest

1100
00:34:00,746 --> 00:34:00,996
problem. I did suggest some

1101
00:34:01,346 --> 00:34:01,596
language for a derelict vehicle

1102
00:34:02,013 --> 00:34:02,263
there

1103
00:34:06,513 --> 00:34:06,763
so the problem is the these

1104
00:34:08,513 --> 00:34:08,763
derelict vehicles many of them

1105
00:34:11,346 --> 00:34:11,596
lack titles and because they

1106
00:34:13,346 --> 00:34:13,596
lack titles owners cannot

1107
00:34:15,313 --> 00:34:15,563
legally sell them so we get as

1108
00:34:17,113 --> 00:34:17,363
an industry we literally get

1109
00:34:19,146 --> 00:34:19,396
hundreds of calls a month from

1110
00:34:20,813 --> 00:34:21,063
somebody who says I have a

1111
00:34:21,380 --> 00:34:21,630
vehicle that belonged to my

1112
00:34:23,380 --> 00:34:23,630
uncle. it's been in my front

1113
00:34:25,513 --> 00:34:25,763
yard since1972 can you buy it?

1114
00:34:29,346 --> 00:34:29,596
and either as a scrap metal

1115
00:34:32,513 --> 00:34:32,763
or as a auto recycler to

1116
00:34:34,546 --> 00:34:34,796
resell the parts we cannot buy

1117
00:34:36,513 --> 00:34:36,763
it because there is no title,

1118
00:34:38,546 --> 00:34:38,796
there is no ownership document

1119
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:39,430
so we have to tell them no

1120
00:34:42,513 --> 00:34:42,763
unfortunately they really don't

1121
00:34:44,546 --> 00:34:44,796
have any recourse. The recourse

1122
00:34:46,513 --> 00:34:46,763
they have is to find somebody

1123
00:34:47,613 --> 00:34:47,863
that can do a mechanic's lien

1124
00:34:49,113 --> 00:34:49,363
but even doing that would be

1125
00:34:50,846 --> 00:34:51,096
stretching the law a little bit

1126
00:34:52,513 --> 00:34:52,763
because mechanic's liens are

1127
00:34:54,513 --> 00:34:54,763
designed for mechanics who did

1128
00:34:55,313 --> 00:34:55,563
work on the vehicle and the

1129
00:34:56,780 --> 00:34:57,030
person didn't pay it or pick it

1130
00:34:58,746 --> 00:34:58,996
up. they can obtain a title

1131
00:35:00,546 --> 00:35:00,796
through the lien process so the

1132
00:35:02,513 --> 00:35:02,763
the the laws are not really

1133
00:35:04,780 --> 00:35:05,030
conducive to this hypothetical

1134
00:35:06,546 --> 00:35:06,796
individual who has their uncle's

1135
00:35:07,380 --> 00:35:07,630
car in their front yard because

1136
00:35:08,846 --> 00:35:09,096
they can't do it and and so they

1137
00:35:09,513 --> 00:35:09,763
will

1138
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:11,530
continue to try and ultimately

1139
00:35:13,013 --> 00:35:13,263
they'll get so frustrated that

1140
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:15,230
they will either just leave it

1141
00:35:16,746 --> 00:35:16,996
on the side of their house or in

1142
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:17,730
front of their house or they'll

1143
00:35:18,546 --> 00:35:18,796
take it and dump it in the

1144
00:35:19,313 --> 00:35:19,563
desert. We believe this is a big

1145
00:35:22,546 --> 00:35:22,796
reason this is a big cause of

1146
00:35:23,513 --> 00:35:23,763
or the reason for abandoned

1147
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:24,330
vehicles

1148
00:35:28,746 --> 00:35:28,996
so I I just sorry I got a

1149
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,530
little ahead of myself. I gave

1150
00:35:31,013 --> 00:35:31,263
you the the the real life

1151
00:35:32,780 --> 00:35:33,030
example there so that's really

1152
00:35:34,513 --> 00:35:34,763
what we're trying to do here is

1153
00:35:36,780 --> 00:35:37,030
set up a circumstance where

1154
00:35:37,380 --> 00:35:37,630
these homeowners or these

1155
00:35:40,980 --> 00:35:41,230
quote unquote owners of these

1156
00:35:42,513 --> 00:35:42,763
vehicles or possessors of these

1157
00:35:44,713 --> 00:35:44,963
vehicles can not only get rid of

1158
00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:46,763
them but can actually be paid

1159
00:35:48,713 --> 00:35:48,963
for them. we are not

1160
00:35:51,313 --> 00:35:51,563
permitted to pay them for

1161
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:52,130
these vehicles

1162
00:35:54,513 --> 00:35:54,763
and I'm just going to run

1163
00:35:55,246 --> 00:35:55,496
through some examples here.

1164
00:35:57,246 --> 00:35:57,496
these are pictures that we took

1165
00:36:00,513 --> 00:36:00,763
of of the types of vehicles

1166
00:36:01,380 --> 00:36:01,630
we're talking about that are

1167
00:36:05,246 --> 00:36:05,496
inoperable broken down not

1168
00:36:07,013 --> 00:36:07,263
and and sitting in either the

1169
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:09,530
street or in people's yards and

1170
00:36:11,013 --> 00:36:11,263
as you can see people will start

1171
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:12,730
to take parts off them and they

1172
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:14,730
will start and and just continue

1173
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:15,730
to decrease the value of these

1174
00:36:18,513 --> 00:36:18,763
vehicles as they as they move

1175
00:36:19,246 --> 00:36:19,496
forward so the these are the

1176
00:36:21,013 --> 00:36:21,263
types of vehicles and this is an

1177
00:36:23,046 --> 00:36:23,296
example I don't know where this

1178
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:23,930
was taken. I think it was

1179
00:36:25,913 --> 00:36:26,163
over in North Las Vegas

1180
00:36:29,213 --> 00:36:29,463
where somebody who's taken these

1181
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:31,230
vehicles some of these might

1182
00:36:32,713 --> 00:36:32,963
belong to the company but we do

1183
00:36:33,413 --> 00:36:33,663
find that people come and dump

1184
00:36:35,246 --> 00:36:35,496
them. cars get dumped on a

1185
00:36:36,980 --> 00:36:37,230
regularly regular basis in front

1186
00:36:39,013 --> 00:36:39,263
ofssa recycling because people

1187
00:36:40,513 --> 00:36:40,763
don't know what to do with them

1188
00:36:42,513 --> 00:36:42,763
and frankly it's nice that they

1189
00:36:43,246 --> 00:36:43,496
dumped them there instead of the

1190
00:36:45,213 --> 00:36:45,463
middle of the desert but we

1191
00:36:46,746 --> 00:36:46,996
can't take them. we can't do

1192
00:36:48,546 --> 00:36:48,796
anything. They then become and

1193
00:36:51,213 --> 00:36:51,463
we can now under AB4fi5 we

1194
00:36:52,713 --> 00:36:52,963
can now treat that as an

1195
00:36:54,513 --> 00:36:54,763
abandoned vehicle and and go

1196
00:36:55,213 --> 00:36:55,463
through that process but until

1197
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,130
it's dumped like this there's no

1198
00:36:59,213 --> 00:36:59,463
recourse in the law and it'd be

1199
00:37:00,946 --> 00:37:01,196
far better to be able to have

1200
00:37:02,980 --> 00:37:03,230
people receive some compensation

1201
00:37:03,713 --> 00:37:03,963
for the vehicles that are in

1202
00:37:04,380 --> 00:37:04,630
their yard.

1203
00:37:07,013 --> 00:37:07,263
what we're proposing here in in

1204
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:11,030
2013 my client brought a

1205
00:37:12,513 --> 00:37:12,763
piece of legislation that we

1206
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:13,530
affectionately call the kill the

1207
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:16,730
vi process it's a process where

1208
00:37:19,013 --> 00:37:19,263
for an end of life vehicle

1209
00:37:21,246 --> 00:37:21,496
a VI number can effectively be

1210
00:37:23,046 --> 00:37:23,296
removed from circulation. The

1211
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:25,030
reason one of the reasons we did

1212
00:37:27,346 --> 00:37:27,596
that was that it's not

1213
00:37:29,313 --> 00:37:29,563
uncommon for somebody to go into

1214
00:37:31,246 --> 00:37:31,496
a a scrapyard or a pick apart

1215
00:37:33,346 --> 00:37:33,596
yard and take a vi off of a

1216
00:37:33,946 --> 00:37:34,196
vehicle

1217
00:37:36,546 --> 00:37:36,796
and then put it on a stolen

1218
00:37:37,213 --> 00:37:37,463
vehicle. so the scenario would

1219
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,730
be you've got a a mintre Toyota

1220
00:37:41,346 --> 00:37:41,596
Camry from1997

1221
00:37:45,213 --> 00:37:45,463
in the yard they will go remove

1222
00:37:47,213 --> 00:37:47,463
the vin plate from that and

1223
00:37:48,746 --> 00:37:48,996
place it on a stolen mint

1224
00:37:51,213 --> 00:37:51,463
green1997 Toyota Camry. What

1225
00:37:54,513 --> 00:37:54,763
this law effectively does is

1226
00:37:56,746 --> 00:37:56,996
kills that vi so that is of no

1227
00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:58,730
value for them to do that

1228
00:37:59,013 --> 00:37:59,263
anymore. That law has been in

1229
00:38:01,246 --> 00:38:01,496
effect since 2013 and it has

1230
00:38:03,246 --> 00:38:03,496
been highly effective at at

1231
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:07,030
stopping this this problem.

1232
00:38:09,013 --> 00:38:09,263
this statute that we have in

1233
00:38:11,346 --> 00:38:11,596
Nevada Nrs47105 which

1234
00:38:11,813 --> 00:38:12,063
contemplates the

1235
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:14,330
kill the vi process is already

1236
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:17,430
full of protections for the

1237
00:38:19,146 --> 00:38:19,396
public. there's a Dmv

1238
00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:21,430
notification process and a

1239
00:38:24,513 --> 00:38:24,763
waiting period vehicles may

1240
00:38:26,746 --> 00:38:26,996
only be processed for scrap or

1241
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:28,730
parts and that's an important

1242
00:38:29,246 --> 00:38:29,496
component from a public

1243
00:38:31,246 --> 00:38:31,496
protection standpoint that

1244
00:38:32,980 --> 00:38:33,230
guarantees that these are truly

1245
00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:34,996
end of life vehicle that have no

1246
00:38:38,513 --> 00:38:38,763
market value. and they cannot

1247
00:38:40,746 --> 00:38:40,996
under any circumstances once you

1248
00:38:43,213 --> 00:38:43,463
use the487105 process under any

1249
00:38:44,913 --> 00:38:45,163
circumstances can they be

1250
00:38:45,446 --> 00:38:45,696
brought back into service

1251
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:48,730
on the street. the the law

1252
00:38:49,180 --> 00:38:49,430
effectively protects bad actor

1253
00:38:50,980 --> 00:38:51,230
or prevents bad actors from

1254
00:38:52,513 --> 00:38:52,763
being able to acquire old plates

1255
00:38:54,746 --> 00:38:54,996
but it also has a process that

1256
00:38:56,980 --> 00:38:57,230
notifies both the Dmv and law

1257
00:38:57,613 --> 00:38:57,863
enforcement again it's worked

1258
00:38:58,280 --> 00:38:58,530
very well

1259
00:39:01,213 --> 00:39:01,463
what we're proposing under the

1260
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:04,730
context of Nrs405 it's expanding

1261
00:39:06,746 --> 00:39:06,996
it slightly to add this concept

1262
00:39:09,213 --> 00:39:09,463
for certain under a very narrow

1263
00:39:11,246 --> 00:39:11,496
definition certain vehicles that

1264
00:39:14,980 --> 00:39:15,230
do not have titles. the the

1265
00:39:16,746 --> 00:39:16,996
protections that are proposed in

1266
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,730
this and the the way this will

1267
00:39:20,513 --> 00:39:20,763
be proposed to work is we are

1268
00:39:22,980 --> 00:39:23,230
required if we utilize487105 to

1269
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:26,730
to to to post an

1270
00:39:27,180 --> 00:39:27,430
additional bond I think it's

1271
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:29,130
a50,000 dollars bond to be able

1272
00:39:29,580 --> 00:39:29,830
to do that

1273
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:33,430
the vehicle we picked13 years

1274
00:39:34,946 --> 00:39:35,196
we're still in the process of

1275
00:39:36,546 --> 00:39:36,796
talking to stakeholders to see

1276
00:39:37,213 --> 00:39:37,463
what the best year is but the

1277
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,130
vehicle would have to be

1278
00:39:42,513 --> 00:39:42,763
between8 and13 years old based

1279
00:39:43,213 --> 00:39:43,463
on on the the industry standard

1280
00:39:44,980 --> 00:39:45,230
and what's being done in other

1281
00:39:46,513 --> 00:39:46,763
states the vehicle has not been

1282
00:39:48,513 --> 00:39:48,763
registered in Nevada for three

1283
00:39:50,513 --> 00:39:50,763
or more years. The vehicle is

1284
00:39:52,513 --> 00:39:52,763
acquired only for dismantling

1285
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:54,730
and scrap and the vehicle must

1286
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:56,730
be transported by a licensed and

1287
00:39:57,180 --> 00:39:57,430
bonded record. We believe that

1288
00:39:59,013 --> 00:39:59,263
provides the protection so this

1289
00:40:01,013 --> 00:40:01,263
law could not cannot be abused

1290
00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:03,030
and the big one is that it

1291
00:40:04,513 --> 00:40:04,763
cannot not it can only be used

1292
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:06,730
for dismantling and scrap. If a

1293
00:40:07,346 --> 00:40:07,596
vehicle has any real value it's

1294
00:40:07,980 --> 00:40:08,230
not

1295
00:40:10,513 --> 00:40:10,763
going to be dismantled for

1296
00:40:12,513 --> 00:40:12,763
scrap. it's going to be they're

1297
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:14,730
going to find some process to

1298
00:40:15,046 --> 00:40:15,296
acquire a title

1299
00:40:17,180 --> 00:40:17,430
and and and keep the vehicle

1300
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:19,230
alive. so we provide we believe

1301
00:40:20,713 --> 00:40:20,963
that provides significant

1302
00:40:22,746 --> 00:40:22,996
protections for the public.

1303
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:25,230
the reason we like47105 as a

1304
00:40:27,180 --> 00:40:27,430
vehicle is it already contains

1305
00:40:29,013 --> 00:40:29,263
the existingdmv oversight.

1306
00:40:31,013 --> 00:40:31,263
there's the existing waiting

1307
00:40:33,046 --> 00:40:33,296
waiting periods anddmv can stop

1308
00:40:35,013 --> 00:40:35,263
the process at any point if they

1309
00:40:37,313 --> 00:40:37,563
and they regularly run run

1310
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,130
theIN to see if it's

1311
00:40:40,980 --> 00:40:41,230
stolen or if there's any any

1312
00:40:42,746 --> 00:40:42,996
issues and they can tell us at

1313
00:40:44,980 --> 00:40:45,230
any time to stop. it also

1314
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:46,930
contains the bonding requirement

1315
00:40:50,780 --> 00:40:51,030
that in case we do dispose of a

1316
00:40:52,513 --> 00:40:52,763
vehicle that somebody did not

1317
00:40:54,780 --> 00:40:55,030
want or did not intend to have

1318
00:40:56,513 --> 00:40:56,763
disposed there's bonding

1319
00:40:57,246 --> 00:40:57,496
capability for them to come back

1320
00:40:59,280 --> 00:40:59,530
and be compensated. the other

1321
00:41:01,313 --> 00:41:01,563
bill's been in effect for

1322
00:41:04,513 --> 00:41:04,763
since since 2013 and I'm going

1323
00:41:05,146 --> 00:41:05,396
to check with my client but I

1324
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:07,030
don't think we've ever had

1325
00:41:08,746 --> 00:41:08,996
somebody come back on the bond

1326
00:41:11,513 --> 00:41:11,763
because we we inadvertently

1327
00:41:13,046 --> 00:41:13,296
destroyed a vehicle. yeah we in

1328
00:41:14,780 --> 00:41:15,030
the in the in the whatever it is

1329
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:16,930
since 2013 we've never so 13

1330
00:41:19,246 --> 00:41:19,496
years we've never had we've

1331
00:41:21,013 --> 00:41:21,263
never had a case where that is

1332
00:41:22,846 --> 00:41:23,096
avon but it's important to have

1333
00:41:23,513 --> 00:41:23,763
it anyway

1334
00:41:28,513 --> 00:41:28,763
these are the other states that

1335
00:41:30,513 --> 00:41:30,763
allow some method of of end of

1336
00:41:32,746 --> 00:41:32,996
life transactions for non titled

1337
00:41:34,746 --> 00:41:34,996
vehicles none of them

1338
00:41:37,013 --> 00:41:37,263
have47105 which we have that

1339
00:41:38,713 --> 00:41:38,963
provides these additional

1340
00:41:40,980 --> 00:41:41,230
protections. and again I just

1341
00:41:42,780 --> 00:41:43,030
went through the sca scape

1342
00:41:44,746 --> 00:41:44,996
the safeguards again. we

1343
00:41:46,513 --> 00:41:46,763
believe that this will help

1344
00:41:47,113 --> 00:41:47,363
consumers who desperately want

1345
00:41:48,746 --> 00:41:48,996
to get rid of these vehicles and

1346
00:41:50,746 --> 00:41:50,996
literally have no way to do it

1347
00:41:51,446 --> 00:41:51,696
unless they go through the lien

1348
00:41:53,246 --> 00:41:53,496
law and technically skirt the

1349
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:55,330
intent of the lien law. we

1350
00:41:55,613 --> 00:41:55,863
believe this

1351
00:41:58,746 --> 00:41:58,996
will reduce blight and illegal

1352
00:42:00,513 --> 00:42:00,763
dumping. in fact it will it will

1353
00:42:02,513 --> 00:42:02,763
cut it off before it becomes

1354
00:42:04,980 --> 00:42:05,230
an abandoned vehicle it

1355
00:42:06,713 --> 00:42:06,963
supports regulated recycling

1356
00:42:08,713 --> 00:42:08,963
protects against fraud and the

1357
00:42:10,513 --> 00:42:10,763
theft and builds on what this

1358
00:42:12,746 --> 00:42:12,996
legislature did with the the

1359
00:42:14,980 --> 00:42:15,230
abandoned vehicles law last

1360
00:42:16,746 --> 00:42:16,996
session. there's one other

1361
00:42:18,780 --> 00:42:19,030
provision that we're suggesting

1362
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:20,730
we kind of sneak in there we use

1363
00:42:21,213 --> 00:42:21,463
regularly in the industry and in

1364
00:42:22,746 --> 00:42:22,996
the legislature and the

1365
00:42:24,746 --> 00:42:24,996
legislative record's full of the

1366
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:25,730
concept of the term end of life

1367
00:42:28,513 --> 00:42:28,763
vehicle but there is no

1368
00:42:29,180 --> 00:42:29,430
definition of end of life

1369
00:42:31,180 --> 00:42:31,430
vehicle in statutes so we're

1370
00:42:32,980 --> 00:42:33,230
recommending that we define what

1371
00:42:36,513 --> 00:42:36,763
an end of life vehicle is

1372
00:42:37,213 --> 00:42:37,463
means a vehicle that has been

1373
00:42:39,013 --> 00:42:39,263
transferred to a licensed

1374
00:42:40,513 --> 00:42:40,763
automobile record or salvageable

1375
00:42:41,213 --> 00:42:41,463
for dismantling, recycling,

1376
00:42:43,013 --> 00:42:43,263
crushing, shredding or disposal

1377
00:42:44,546 --> 00:42:44,796
or for which the vehicle

1378
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:45,530
identification number is

1379
00:42:47,013 --> 00:42:47,263
intended to be permanently

1380
00:42:48,780 --> 00:42:49,030
retired so that the vehicle may

1381
00:42:49,413 --> 00:42:49,663
not again be titled or

1382
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:50,130
registered

1383
00:42:52,946 --> 00:42:53,196
and with that I'd be happy to

1384
00:42:53,546 --> 00:42:53,796
answer any questions

1385
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,330
thank you for the presentation

1386
00:42:58,546 --> 00:42:58,796
and we'll start off with the

1387
00:42:59,113 --> 00:42:59,363
vicechair please.

1388
00:43:04,513 --> 00:43:04,763
thank you chair. I just you

1389
00:43:06,813 --> 00:43:07,063
said that they will run the vi

1390
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:07,730
to make sure that the vehicle

1391
00:43:08,813 --> 00:43:09,063
isn't stolen but if they run the

1392
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:09,730
VinN they can also find out who

1393
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,130
the former or last owner was

1394
00:43:11,546 --> 00:43:11,796
right?

1395
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:17,530
chair thank you Warren Hardy for

1396
00:43:19,313 --> 00:43:19,563
the record. not always

1397
00:43:20,813 --> 00:43:21,063
sometimes they're out of state

1398
00:43:22,546 --> 00:43:22,796
sometimes they've never been

1399
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:25,030
registered in Nevada the

1400
00:43:26,780 --> 00:43:27,030
nevada is kind of an interesting

1401
00:43:28,513 --> 00:43:28,763
place with regard to a lot of

1402
00:43:29,313 --> 00:43:29,563
this stuff and so there are

1403
00:43:31,446 --> 00:43:31,696
mechanisms to do that there's a

1404
00:43:33,246 --> 00:43:33,496
national databases that you can

1405
00:43:36,846 --> 00:43:37,096
run and often they do so it

1406
00:43:37,446 --> 00:43:37,696
still doesn't

1407
00:43:40,746 --> 00:43:40,996
address the problem of not being

1408
00:43:42,513 --> 00:43:42,763
able to title it. in many cases

1409
00:43:43,246 --> 00:43:43,496
these people will say this

1410
00:43:45,346 --> 00:43:45,596
belonged to my uncle Joe who

1411
00:43:46,013 --> 00:43:46,263
died in

1412
00:43:50,780 --> 00:43:51,030
1942 and he can't there's nobody

1413
00:43:52,513 --> 00:43:52,763
else that's legally on the title

1414
00:43:53,213 --> 00:43:53,463
to be able to request the

1415
00:43:55,013 --> 00:43:55,263
duplicate title. so just

1416
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,530
identifying the owner isn't

1417
00:43:59,013 --> 00:43:59,263
sufficient to clean clean up the

1418
00:44:00,746 --> 00:44:00,996
problem you have to have some

1419
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:02,930
streamlined process to dispose

1420
00:44:03,346 --> 00:44:03,596
of non

1421
00:44:07,246 --> 00:44:07,496
Please follow thank you

1422
00:44:10,513 --> 00:44:10,763
so when you're saying that it is

1423
00:44:12,513 --> 00:44:12,763
only the Nevada when they're

1424
00:44:13,146 --> 00:44:13,396
running they they're only

1425
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:14,730
running theI innevada and the

1426
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:15,530
reason why I'm asking is we have

1427
00:44:17,313 --> 00:44:17,563
so many people who move here

1428
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:19,263
and then potentially move away

1429
00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:21,030
temporarily. I mean there's just

1430
00:44:21,513 --> 00:44:21,763
a lot of transients in our in

1431
00:44:23,046 --> 00:44:23,296
our state and if someone moves

1432
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:25,030
here with the vehicle and then

1433
00:44:27,046 --> 00:44:27,296
let's say is in the military

1434
00:44:29,446 --> 00:44:29,696
and leaves for a year or so

1435
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:31,930
if we only run

1436
00:44:35,246 --> 00:44:35,496
the the vehicle in Nevada before

1437
00:44:38,513 --> 00:44:38,763
this will they run the run it if

1438
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:40,730
it is vehicle that is or was

1439
00:44:41,213 --> 00:44:41,463
titled in another state or will

1440
00:44:42,980 --> 00:44:43,230
they only check to see if it's

1441
00:44:44,513 --> 00:44:44,763
stolen in Nevada. thank you for

1442
00:44:45,246 --> 00:44:45,496
the opportunity to clarify that

1443
00:44:47,013 --> 00:44:47,263
again Warren Hardy. I didn't

1444
00:44:48,746 --> 00:44:48,996
mean to indicate that they only

1445
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:50,730
run Nevada. DmV runs it through

1446
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:52,730
a process called Nvitis which is

1447
00:44:55,213 --> 00:44:55,463
a national database and so

1448
00:44:55,813 --> 00:44:56,063
they they will be able to

1449
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:57,530
identify that and under the lien

1450
00:44:59,013 --> 00:44:59,263
law there's requirements to

1451
00:45:00,780 --> 00:45:01,030
reach out and those sorts of

1452
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:01,930
things which all is applicable

1453
00:45:02,346 --> 00:45:02,596
to a vehicle that has

1454
00:45:05,213 --> 00:45:05,463
some value and you're going to

1455
00:45:07,013 --> 00:45:07,263
go through that process if you

1456
00:45:09,013 --> 00:45:09,263
have a vehicle that has value.

1457
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:11,030
you're going to figure out a way

1458
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:12,730
to get it retitled. nobody's

1459
00:45:14,513 --> 00:45:14,763
gonna shred or junk or part out

1460
00:45:18,513 --> 00:45:18,763
2023 Lexus. right those

1461
00:45:19,213 --> 00:45:19,463
aren't going to apply here.

1462
00:45:21,213 --> 00:45:21,463
These are older vehicles that

1463
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:25,730
there's no clear of ownership

1464
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:26,930
documents for

1465
00:45:29,013 --> 00:45:29,263
so we can identify in most of

1466
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:30,930
the cases who the last

1467
00:45:31,113 --> 00:45:31,363
registered owner was

1468
00:45:33,246 --> 00:45:33,496
that no no matter what part

1469
00:45:35,246 --> 00:45:35,496
of the state they're from but

1470
00:45:36,780 --> 00:45:37,030
whether they're whether they're

1471
00:45:38,746 --> 00:45:38,996
alive or whether it's worth the

1472
00:45:41,246 --> 00:45:41,496
time and economic effort to go

1473
00:45:44,746 --> 00:45:44,996
find them for a300 dollars car

1474
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:45,630
is really the question

1475
00:45:49,446 --> 00:45:49,696
Senator Neal

1476
00:45:55,413 --> 00:45:55,663
didn't I didn't even say I had

1477
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:56,930
foot

1478
00:45:59,580 --> 00:45:59,830
I was I guess what I'm

1479
00:46:03,213 --> 00:46:03,463
OK so I'll ask this first

1480
00:46:03,780 --> 00:46:04,030
question. I

1481
00:46:06,780 --> 00:46:07,030
you know there's a whole market

1482
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:08,930
of people that

1483
00:46:09,246 --> 00:46:09,496
you know

1484
00:46:12,713 --> 00:46:12,963
and I'll give you this example

1485
00:46:14,513 --> 00:46:14,763
so when you go and your car is

1486
00:46:15,180 --> 00:46:15,430
damaged and you

1487
00:46:18,746 --> 00:46:18,996
take it to the insurance place

1488
00:46:20,746 --> 00:46:20,996
like and you try to get it

1489
00:46:21,346 --> 00:46:21,596
fixed and they all of a sudden

1490
00:46:23,246 --> 00:46:23,496
they say oh this is unfixable

1491
00:46:24,813 --> 00:46:25,063
and then you find your car

1492
00:46:26,913 --> 00:46:27,163
out

1493
00:46:31,346 --> 00:46:31,596
being rebuilt and now running

1494
00:46:36,546 --> 00:46:36,796
through some group or company.

1495
00:46:37,213 --> 00:46:37,463
I'm trying to figure out who

1496
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:38,930
else benefits from this bill

1497
00:46:45,196 --> 00:46:45,446
So thank you Chair Warren

1498
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:45,730
Hardy for the record it's a good

1499
00:46:48,646 --> 00:46:48,896
good question senator. this bill

1500
00:46:49,346 --> 00:46:49,596
really

1501
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:52,730
so the the the what you just

1502
00:46:53,213 --> 00:46:53,463
described is the way we

1503
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:55,230
primarily get our vehicles at

1504
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:57,530
Nevada pick apart our our job is

1505
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:00,730
to recycle parts we are a place

1506
00:47:02,980 --> 00:47:03,230
where somebody can go to get

1507
00:47:05,246 --> 00:47:05,496
a computer for an older

1508
00:47:08,513 --> 00:47:08,763
vehicle that is $2500 to replace

1509
00:47:09,246 --> 00:47:09,496
as new but you can pick it up

1510
00:47:12,513 --> 00:47:12,763
for $200 from a pick apart yard

1511
00:47:14,513 --> 00:47:14,763
that is our primary business the

1512
00:47:17,213 --> 00:47:17,463
roughly70% of the vehicles we

1513
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:18,930
have on the property

1514
00:47:23,013 --> 00:47:23,263
for to be picked are from those

1515
00:47:24,746 --> 00:47:24,996
sources from insurance

1516
00:47:26,546 --> 00:47:26,796
auctions vehicles that have been

1517
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:29,230
totaled and there's a process

1518
00:47:30,746 --> 00:47:30,996
already in statute for those

1519
00:47:32,980 --> 00:47:33,230
vehicles which ultimately

1520
00:47:34,980 --> 00:47:35,230
declares them junk vehicles only

1521
00:47:36,746 --> 00:47:36,996
good for for for that purpose.

1522
00:47:40,746 --> 00:47:40,996
so when we say who does this

1523
00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:43,230
benefit? I suppose it benefits

1524
00:47:44,746 --> 00:47:44,996
the industry a little bit

1525
00:47:47,513 --> 00:47:47,763
because it it opens up an avenue

1526
00:47:48,646 --> 00:47:48,896
for people to sell us cars

1527
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:52,730
that we can then process. but I

1528
00:47:53,446 --> 00:47:53,696
would suggest it it it more

1529
00:47:54,980 --> 00:47:55,230
benefits the consumer who wants

1530
00:47:57,013 --> 00:47:57,263
to sell the car. there's nothing

1531
00:47:58,780 --> 00:47:59,030
in this bill that would not be

1532
00:48:00,746 --> 00:48:00,996
permitted for anybody to go get

1533
00:48:02,980 --> 00:48:03,230
a vehicle out of your front yard

1534
00:48:04,980 --> 00:48:05,230
that you don't want to sell and

1535
00:48:06,546 --> 00:48:06,796
that's an important distinction

1536
00:48:07,213 --> 00:48:07,463
here. it would require you to

1537
00:48:10,513 --> 00:48:10,763
initiate this process. one of

1538
00:48:11,246 --> 00:48:11,496
the things metro suggested that

1539
00:48:14,513 --> 00:48:14,763
we think is a is a decent idea

1540
00:48:15,246 --> 00:48:15,496
is that there be an affidavit at

1541
00:48:17,013 --> 00:48:17,263
least signed where the person

1542
00:48:18,746 --> 00:48:18,996
who possesses the car attests

1543
00:48:19,413 --> 00:48:19,663
that

1544
00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:21,230
they're legally in possession of

1545
00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:23,230
the vehicle. but these are

1546
00:48:24,746 --> 00:48:24,996
vehicles that really have no

1547
00:48:26,780 --> 00:48:27,030
economic value other than to be

1548
00:48:30,513 --> 00:48:30,763
parted out or shredded. so again

1549
00:48:31,246 --> 00:48:31,496
I I pointed out at the beginning

1550
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:33,230
this is not something we're

1551
00:48:34,746 --> 00:48:34,996
looking for for our industry

1552
00:48:35,446 --> 00:48:35,696
because it's great for our

1553
00:48:38,513 --> 00:48:38,763
business. this is a continuation

1554
00:48:39,213 --> 00:48:39,463
of what we've done the last

1555
00:48:41,013 --> 00:48:41,263
several sessions in helping with

1556
00:48:43,013 --> 00:48:43,263
legislation that impacts our

1557
00:48:43,580 --> 00:48:43,830
business but we think is good

1558
00:48:44,146 --> 00:48:44,396
for the public

1559
00:48:50,830 --> 00:48:51,080
please follow so in the page

1560
00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:51,630
where it says

1561
00:48:56,513 --> 00:48:56,763
you know the wrecker cannot

1562
00:48:58,980 --> 00:48:59,230
legally acquire the acquire the

1563
00:49:00,746 --> 00:49:00,996
vehicle as the owner can provide

1564
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:04,930
a title so let's say

1565
00:49:08,513 --> 00:49:08,763
someone decides that you know

1566
00:49:11,013 --> 00:49:11,263
it's an HOA who has who has the

1567
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:13,130
power to determine derelict

1568
00:49:14,846 --> 00:49:15,096
vehicles

1569
00:49:18,980 --> 00:49:19,230
warren harddy for the record

1570
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:21,230
another another good question so

1571
00:49:23,213 --> 00:49:23,463
really under this statue the

1572
00:49:25,213 --> 00:49:25,463
owner of the derelict vehicle

1573
00:49:26,746 --> 00:49:26,996
has that determination. there's

1574
00:49:28,513 --> 00:49:28,763
already statute in the case of

1575
00:49:30,746 --> 00:49:30,996
an apartment complex or an HMO

1576
00:49:32,513 --> 00:49:32,763
where the property owner can ask

1577
00:49:34,713 --> 00:49:34,963
a a vehicle to be towed to be

1578
00:49:36,713 --> 00:49:36,963
removed. that's a separate and

1579
00:49:37,446 --> 00:49:37,696
we're not touching that here.

1580
00:49:40,780 --> 00:49:41,030
that that that does create a

1581
00:49:43,246 --> 00:49:43,496
stream for a lien. the reason

1582
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:45,230
these vehicles are aren't being

1583
00:49:45,646 --> 00:49:45,896
picked up because there's no

1584
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:46,430
economic value to them

1585
00:49:50,513 --> 00:49:50,763
when when an HOA homeowners

1586
00:49:51,246 --> 00:49:51,496
association or a property

1587
00:49:53,246 --> 00:49:53,496
manager or an apartment calls

1588
00:49:55,346 --> 00:49:55,596
somebody because somebody has a

1589
00:49:56,013 --> 00:49:56,263
vehicle there that's

1590
00:49:59,246 --> 00:49:59,496
parked illegally they cannot

1591
00:50:00,746 --> 00:50:00,996
they can authorize that to be

1592
00:50:03,013 --> 00:50:03,263
towed then that then then then

1593
00:50:04,746 --> 00:50:04,996
whatever the tow company that's

1594
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:06,730
on the police law enforcement

1595
00:50:07,146 --> 00:50:07,396
rotation will come and pick it

1596
00:50:08,980 --> 00:50:09,230
up and impound it and they then

1597
00:50:10,980 --> 00:50:11,230
go through the process of

1598
00:50:12,780 --> 00:50:13,030
notifying the owner they have to

1599
00:50:14,513 --> 00:50:14,763
look at all the surrounding

1600
00:50:16,513 --> 00:50:16,763
states they have to run a

1601
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:17,530
completein check and actually

1602
00:50:19,013 --> 00:50:19,263
notify the owner that they're in

1603
00:50:21,013 --> 00:50:21,263
possession then they can come

1604
00:50:22,780 --> 00:50:23,030
and pay the fees and get the

1605
00:50:24,780 --> 00:50:25,030
vehicle back. That is not

1606
00:50:25,313 --> 00:50:25,563
impacted at all by this statute.

1607
00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:26,230
This

1608
00:50:29,013 --> 00:50:29,263
is a s this this proposed

1609
00:50:31,013 --> 00:50:31,263
statute would be the owner of

1610
00:50:33,213 --> 00:50:33,463
the vehicle says come and get

1611
00:50:36,513 --> 00:50:36,763
it. I I've gotten a letter from

1612
00:50:38,980 --> 00:50:39,230
the HOA saying I have to remove

1613
00:50:40,980 --> 00:50:41,230
it. that would be a good

1614
00:50:42,546 --> 00:50:42,796
example where the owner then has

1615
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:45,030
no recourse they they could

1616
00:50:46,780 --> 00:50:47,030
cheat and and get somebody to

1617
00:50:48,513 --> 00:50:48,763
run the lien process for them

1618
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,530
but that's not what the lien

1619
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:52,730
process contemplates. They have

1620
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:55,330
two choices they can dump

1621
00:50:55,646 --> 00:50:55,896
the vehicle or they can leave it

1622
00:50:59,513 --> 00:50:59,763
there on their property. so

1623
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:01,330
this would not be this would be

1624
00:51:02,513 --> 00:51:02,763
triggered by the owner of the

1625
00:51:04,513 --> 00:51:04,763
vehicle who wants to dispose of

1626
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:05,530
the vehicle. that's the intent

1627
00:51:07,013 --> 00:51:07,263
of this. we've already got the

1628
00:51:08,746 --> 00:51:08,996
statute on abandoned vehicles

1629
00:51:10,780 --> 00:51:11,030
for for the for vehicles that

1630
00:51:12,780 --> 00:51:13,030
are truly abandoned. This is a

1631
00:51:15,046 --> 00:51:15,296
separate set that hopefully

1632
00:51:16,513 --> 00:51:16,763
will stop people from dumping

1633
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:17,530
the vehicles because they have

1634
00:51:18,980 --> 00:51:19,230
no other way to dispose of them

1635
00:51:21,013 --> 00:51:21,263
final question

1636
00:51:23,513 --> 00:51:23,763
so how did you guys arrive at at

1637
00:51:25,146 --> 00:51:25,396
least the model is10 years old

1638
00:51:25,813 --> 00:51:26,063
that's relatively

1639
00:51:33,246 --> 00:51:33,496
On my world new I mean my car

1640
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:35,530
is10 years old and it has a low

1641
00:51:38,646 --> 00:51:38,896
value I mean because it's10

1642
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:39,430
years old

1643
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:43,430
so it it's I mean

1644
00:51:46,513 --> 00:51:46,763
cause you just explained like

1645
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:48,930
the benefit is that you would

1646
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:49,530
get the parts right?

1647
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:52,930
thank you chairir Warren Hardy

1648
00:51:56,746 --> 00:51:56,996
so that is sort of an an

1649
00:51:59,013 --> 00:51:59,263
average of what other states do.

1650
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:01,530
I think, I think New York is8

1651
00:52:05,513 --> 00:52:05,763
years uhlouisiana's 13 years.

1652
00:52:08,780 --> 00:52:09,030
I think what we proposed is13

1653
00:52:10,513 --> 00:52:10,763
although we want to reserve the

1654
00:52:12,780 --> 00:52:13,030
right to to to change that if it

1655
00:52:14,513 --> 00:52:14,763
looks like it makes sense. The

1656
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:16,730
thing to focus on is not that.

1657
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:17,730
The thing to focus on is the

1658
00:52:20,780 --> 00:52:21,030
fact that this process cannot be

1659
00:52:22,646 --> 00:52:22,896
utilized on a vehicle that is

1660
00:52:23,246 --> 00:52:23,496
not

1661
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:23,930
end of life

1662
00:52:27,046 --> 00:52:27,296
So if there's literally any

1663
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:29,730
value to that vehicle. it is not

1664
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:30,930
going to go through this process

1665
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:33,730
because you're forfeiting if you

1666
00:52:34,980 --> 00:52:35,230
go through this process you're

1667
00:52:36,746 --> 00:52:36,996
forfeiting the opportunity to to

1668
00:52:38,513 --> 00:52:38,763
ever have that vehicle on the

1669
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:40,730
road again and that's the

1670
00:52:42,746 --> 00:52:42,996
biggest protection for for

1671
00:52:45,446 --> 00:52:45,696
this the residents that that

1672
00:52:47,246 --> 00:52:47,496
that that kills the vi kills the

1673
00:52:49,013 --> 00:52:49,263
vehicle it may no longer it will

1674
00:52:50,780 --> 00:52:51,030
never be on the road again. so

1675
00:52:52,513 --> 00:52:52,763
if you have a car that's10 years

1676
00:52:54,980 --> 00:52:55,230
old that has value on the road

1677
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,130
it's never going to see this

1678
00:52:57,446 --> 00:52:57,696
process

1679
00:52:59,246 --> 00:52:59,496
OK.

1680
00:52:59,496 --> 00:52:59,746
thanks dear

1681
00:53:02,980 --> 00:53:03,230
somebody remember what

1682
00:53:08,713 --> 00:53:08,963
thank you chair. I just wanted

1683
00:53:09,413 --> 00:53:09,663
to ask about

1684
00:53:12,513 --> 00:53:12,763
maybe following up on what

1685
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:14,930
senatorneal asked in terms of

1686
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:15,530
the

1687
00:53:17,313 --> 00:53:17,563
number of years right? Ca some

1688
00:53:17,980 --> 00:53:18,230
of these

1689
00:53:20,813 --> 00:53:21,063
are playing around between

1690
00:53:24,746 --> 00:53:24,996
derelict and then classic right

1691
00:53:26,746 --> 00:53:26,996
because we have vehicles who are

1692
00:53:28,746 --> 00:53:28,996
that are more than10 years old

1693
00:53:30,746 --> 00:53:30,996
are considered classic right and

1694
00:53:33,213 --> 00:53:33,463
so um'm just wondering if you

1695
00:53:36,746 --> 00:53:36,996
putting a years on here right?

1696
00:53:37,546 --> 00:53:37,796
Will dad also limit you from

1697
00:53:42,746 --> 00:53:42,996
non operating vehicle who does

1698
00:53:44,513 --> 00:53:44,763
not meet the year threats whole

1699
00:53:46,980 --> 00:53:47,230
but have the same kind of issues

1700
00:53:48,980 --> 00:53:49,230
where it's non operating and the

1701
00:53:51,246 --> 00:53:51,496
owner's not going to do anything

1702
00:53:52,746 --> 00:53:52,996
about it's just gonna sit there

1703
00:53:54,513 --> 00:53:54,763
on the driveway or on you know

1704
00:53:56,646 --> 00:53:56,896
the streets would putting a

1705
00:54:01,713 --> 00:54:01,963
timeline of the vehicle identity

1706
00:54:02,380 --> 00:54:02,630
itself

1707
00:54:05,446 --> 00:54:05,696
will also hinder you from

1708
00:54:06,013 --> 00:54:06,263
executing what you're trying to

1709
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:06,930
do

1710
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:10,730
thank you chairir Warren Hardy.

1711
00:54:12,513 --> 00:54:12,763
I I don't think so assemblyman I

1712
00:54:13,213 --> 00:54:13,463
think the thing to focus on here

1713
00:54:14,980 --> 00:54:15,230
is in dealing with these types

1714
00:54:16,513 --> 00:54:16,763
of vehicles there's a whole

1715
00:54:18,513 --> 00:54:18,763
toolbo there's a whole statutory

1716
00:54:20,513 --> 00:54:20,763
toolbox. there's junk vehicles

1717
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:21,463
there's we now have abandoned

1718
00:54:23,246 --> 00:54:23,496
vehicles there's all these

1719
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:25,530
options out there this

1720
00:54:28,780 --> 00:54:29,030
nothing happens under this until

1721
00:54:31,013 --> 00:54:31,263
the owner wants to act. And so I

1722
00:54:33,313 --> 00:54:33,563
can guarantee you that there

1723
00:54:35,213 --> 00:54:35,463
will not be a classic vehicle

1724
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:38,730
that is taken under this statute

1725
00:54:41,013 --> 00:54:41,263
because it has value I mean I

1726
00:54:42,546 --> 00:54:42,796
can't I really can't guarantee

1727
00:54:43,246 --> 00:54:43,496
that cause somebody might, you

1728
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:45,530
know, grandpa may have loved

1729
00:54:48,746 --> 00:54:48,996
his57 Chevy and his grandkid who

1730
00:54:50,513 --> 00:54:50,763
inherited it doesn't and wants

1731
00:54:52,513 --> 00:54:52,763
it gone so I I can't

1732
00:54:54,780 --> 00:54:55,030
guarantee it but again this

1733
00:54:55,346 --> 00:54:55,596
entire thing is initiated and

1734
00:54:56,013 --> 00:54:56,263
driven

1735
00:54:58,980 --> 00:54:59,230
by the consumer by the by the

1736
00:55:00,746 --> 00:55:00,996
person. there's nothing in here

1737
00:55:01,380 --> 00:55:01,630
that authorizes us

1738
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:07,030
unlike AB4fi5 us or law

1739
00:55:08,780 --> 00:55:09,030
enforcement or anything anybody

1740
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:11,230
else to initiate this derelict

1741
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:14,730
vehicle process. this is

1742
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:16,730
entirely driven by the consumer

1743
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:17,730
and so they're gon they're gonna

1744
00:55:18,513 --> 00:55:18,763
I don't think they're gonna make

1745
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:19,530
a decision if there's value to

1746
00:55:21,013 --> 00:55:21,263
that car to go through this

1747
00:55:23,246 --> 00:55:23,496
process because it will kill the

1748
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:26,730
vi on a'57 Chevy just like it

1749
00:55:27,146 --> 00:55:27,396
does on a 97 camera.

1750
00:55:28,646 --> 00:55:28,896
u ll up chair

1751
00:55:33,180 --> 00:55:33,430
please follow up thank you so

1752
00:55:33,813 --> 00:55:34,063
just want to be clear that

1753
00:55:37,013 --> 00:55:37,263
one of the other language

1754
00:55:38,746 --> 00:55:38,996
proposed language asking for

1755
00:55:40,513 --> 00:55:40,763
vehicle has not been registered

1756
00:55:42,713 --> 00:55:42,963
innevada for three+ year and you

1757
00:55:44,713 --> 00:55:44,963
said other state may have had a

1758
00:55:46,746 --> 00:55:46,996
different time frame what if the

1759
00:55:49,213 --> 00:55:49,463
vehicle is registered with a

1760
00:55:51,013 --> 00:55:51,263
closer timeline in a different

1761
00:55:52,746 --> 00:55:52,996
state but it happens to be

1762
00:55:54,746 --> 00:55:54,996
physically right now in Nevada

1763
00:55:57,213 --> 00:55:57,463
do we consider you know

1764
00:55:59,246 --> 00:55:59,496
family's dynamic that may make

1765
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:01,530
the situation a little bit more

1766
00:56:02,780 --> 00:56:03,030
harder let's just say if there's

1767
00:56:03,513 --> 00:56:03,763
a dispute you know between

1768
00:56:07,013 --> 00:56:07,263
whoever currently has the car

1769
00:56:07,646 --> 00:56:07,896
versus the the legal owner of

1770
00:56:08,313 --> 00:56:08,563
the car

1771
00:56:12,513 --> 00:56:12,763
that Mr Chair Warren Hardy again

1772
00:56:13,246 --> 00:56:13,496
that that certainly is a

1773
00:56:15,180 --> 00:56:15,430
possibility which is the reason

1774
00:56:16,980 --> 00:56:17,230
for the50,000 dollars bond so if

1775
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:19,230
there's a dispute going on and

1776
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:21,230
somebody gets rid of a car and

1777
00:56:22,813 --> 00:56:23,063
and that the owner comes back

1778
00:56:24,513 --> 00:56:24,763
and says wait a minute that was

1779
00:56:26,746 --> 00:56:26,996
my car they have the ability to

1780
00:56:27,413 --> 00:56:27,663
go against the bond to be

1781
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:28,230
compensated.

1782
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:31,530
similar scenario what you're

1783
00:56:32,513 --> 00:56:32,763
talking about here is with the

1784
00:56:36,513 --> 00:56:36,763
with the A for NrS47105 and

1785
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:38,930
again in 13 years we've never

1786
00:56:39,346 --> 00:56:39,596
nobody's ever gone after the

1787
00:56:39,913 --> 00:56:40,163
bond

1788
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:44,730
and then I'm wondering if the

1789
00:56:46,513 --> 00:56:46,763
cost right so you said here that

1790
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:47,530
the vehicle must be transported

1791
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:49,530
by license bone wrecker right

1792
00:56:52,746 --> 00:56:52,996
and and assuming maybe I don't

1793
00:56:53,346 --> 00:56:53,596
know this for sure but I'm

1794
00:56:54,780 --> 00:56:55,030
assuming that even though

1795
00:56:56,513 --> 00:56:56,763
there's no economic value to the

1796
00:56:58,746 --> 00:56:58,996
owner there might be some

1797
00:57:00,813 --> 00:57:01,063
potential value for the the

1798
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:02,730
folks that collect this right?

1799
00:57:05,246 --> 00:57:05,496
so is there a cost to the owner

1800
00:57:05,913 --> 00:57:06,163
of giving this up

1801
00:57:09,213 --> 00:57:09,463
that's a great question Mr Chair

1802
00:57:10,946 --> 00:57:11,196
Warren Hardy no and in fact

1803
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:14,730
there there is currently a a a

1804
00:57:17,013 --> 00:57:17,263
high cost to an a a resident

1805
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:18,730
that wants to get rid of one of

1806
00:57:19,446 --> 00:57:19,696
these in order to do it legally

1807
00:57:21,013 --> 00:57:21,263
they have to go through a lien

1808
00:57:23,013 --> 00:57:23,263
process which can be very

1809
00:57:25,213 --> 00:57:25,463
expensive, can be very to timely

1810
00:57:27,246 --> 00:57:27,496
under this proposal it's exactly

1811
00:57:30,513 --> 00:57:30,763
the opposite. we are creating an

1812
00:57:32,546 --> 00:57:32,796
economic benefit for the the

1813
00:57:33,146 --> 00:57:33,396
owner of the vehicle or the

1814
00:57:35,013 --> 00:57:35,263
possessor of the vehicle because

1815
00:57:36,846 --> 00:57:37,096
they have now the ability to

1816
00:57:37,513 --> 00:57:37,763
sell the vehicle to us

1817
00:57:40,746 --> 00:57:40,996
we will pay what it makes sense

1818
00:57:42,980 --> 00:57:43,230
on a on a on a market basis for

1819
00:57:44,980 --> 00:57:45,230
the vehicle but we'll pay

1820
00:57:46,746 --> 00:57:46,996
them some something that's

1821
00:57:48,746 --> 00:57:48,996
fair. So actually have an

1822
00:57:49,446 --> 00:57:49,696
opportunity to receive money for

1823
00:57:51,213 --> 00:57:51,463
this where currently they can

1824
00:57:53,213 --> 00:57:53,463
only not receive money for it.

1825
00:57:54,713 --> 00:57:54,963
they got to figure out a way to

1826
00:57:56,513 --> 00:57:56,763
pay to get it off their property

1827
00:57:57,180 --> 00:57:57,430
and that's going to involve

1828
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:00,730
money for sure and likely

1829
00:58:02,513 --> 00:58:02,763
involve stretching the the

1830
00:58:04,513 --> 00:58:04,763
lien laws or other laws in order

1831
00:58:06,846 --> 00:58:07,096
to do it. So this creates some

1832
00:58:07,513 --> 00:58:07,763
economic value for the

1833
00:58:10,513 --> 00:58:10,763
owner of the vehicle. About30%

1834
00:58:11,246 --> 00:58:11,496
of our vehicles are people that

1835
00:58:13,013 --> 00:58:13,263
bring them in and sell them to

1836
00:58:14,513 --> 00:58:14,763
the to us. they come in they

1837
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:16,730
they have the title they say I

1838
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:18,730
want to get rid of it and we pay

1839
00:58:19,180 --> 00:58:19,430
for it and then we part it out

1840
00:58:20,513 --> 00:58:20,763
and then it goes to the

1841
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:24,730
recycling stream that's

1842
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:26,730
what we're creating here really

1843
00:58:28,713 --> 00:58:28,963
for those very narrow set of

1844
00:58:31,180 --> 00:58:31,430
circumstances that says you

1845
00:58:32,546 --> 00:58:32,796
can't this car's never going to

1846
00:58:34,513 --> 00:58:34,763
be back on the road. you want to

1847
00:58:35,246 --> 00:58:35,496
get rid of it we can actually

1848
00:58:36,846 --> 00:58:37,096
enter this law pay you legally

1849
00:58:39,213 --> 00:58:39,463
for it which we cannot do right

1850
00:58:41,213 --> 00:58:41,463
now so there's no economic value

1851
00:58:42,780 --> 00:58:43,030
to the possessor of that

1852
00:58:44,646 --> 00:58:44,896
vehicle. This would create some

1853
00:58:45,313 --> 00:58:45,563
economic value in

1854
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:50,730
I appreciate that thank you and

1855
00:58:51,213 --> 00:58:51,463
chair if I may I know that

1856
00:58:52,780 --> 00:58:53,030
metro's in the room maybe for

1857
00:58:54,513 --> 00:58:54,763
other reasons but I kind of want

1858
00:58:57,246 --> 00:58:57,496
to see in terms of you know

1859
00:58:58,746 --> 00:58:58,996
all the things that we have out

1860
00:59:00,780 --> 00:59:01,030
there and you know our public

1861
00:59:02,513 --> 00:59:02,763
safety officer has so much to do

1862
00:59:04,513 --> 00:59:04,763
with. I wonder if this is a

1863
00:59:06,513 --> 00:59:06,763
problem that's increasing. I

1864
00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:09,030
know I have some sometimes

1865
00:59:10,513 --> 00:59:10,763
some calls from constituents

1866
00:59:11,246 --> 00:59:11,496
that want to report on their

1867
00:59:13,246 --> 00:59:13,496
neighbors that the car's been

1868
00:59:15,213 --> 00:59:15,463
there for a long time and you

1869
00:59:16,846 --> 00:59:17,096
know I know we have a reporting

1870
00:59:17,546 --> 00:59:17,796
mechanism right now through the

1871
00:59:20,980 --> 00:59:21,230
m v for these things to kind

1872
00:59:22,780 --> 00:59:23,030
of being soft but I wonder from

1873
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:26,730
a law enforcement standpoint is

1874
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:28,730
this is one of those kind of

1875
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:30,730
like you know nuisance that keep

1876
00:59:32,513 --> 00:59:32,763
recurring and perhaps this could

1877
00:59:33,213 --> 00:59:33,463
be one of the good solutions for

1878
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,130
it.

1879
00:59:36,713 --> 00:59:36,963
ir I won't speak for metro or

1880
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:38,730
law enforcement at the direction

1881
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:40,730
of the chair I did speak at

1882
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:41,330
length to the department of

1883
00:59:43,213 --> 00:59:43,463
motor Vehicles many of the local

1884
00:59:44,946 --> 00:59:45,196
governments in southern Nevada

1885
00:59:46,713 --> 00:59:46,963
and the department of motor

1886
00:59:48,980 --> 00:59:49,230
Vehicles all of whom indicated

1887
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:51,230
support for this metro had the

1888
00:59:52,713 --> 00:59:52,963
suggestion that we seek some

1889
00:59:54,946 --> 00:59:55,196
sort of a attestation that

1890
00:59:57,013 --> 00:59:57,263
they have that they are the

1891
00:59:59,013 --> 00:59:59,263
legal possessor of the vehicle

1892
01:00:00,980 --> 01:00:01,230
but yeah I know Captain Martinez

1893
01:00:02,746 --> 01:00:02,996
is here so I don't want to put

1894
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:03,630
him on the spot but if he does

1895
01:00:04,046 --> 01:00:04,296
have

1896
01:00:06,746 --> 01:00:06,996
any knowledge that would be

1897
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,530
also helpful. thank you chair.

1898
01:00:12,813 --> 01:00:13,063
Welcome please

1899
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:18,730
good afternoon chair and members

1900
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:20,730
of the committee. we did

1901
01:00:22,746 --> 01:00:22,996
consult with Warren about

1902
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:24,730
this piece of legislation and I

1903
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:25,730
think this would add to as

1904
01:00:26,746 --> 01:00:26,996
Warren said what we did last

1905
01:00:29,213 --> 01:00:29,463
session we heard a lot last

1906
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:31,230
session and from constituents is

1907
01:00:33,246 --> 01:00:33,496
the assembly memberwyn is saying

1908
01:00:36,513 --> 01:00:36,763
reference these vehicles not

1909
01:00:37,246 --> 01:00:37,496
only in the public right away

1910
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:39,030
but also in people's front yards

1911
01:00:39,513 --> 01:00:39,763
right so we have code

1912
01:00:41,013 --> 01:00:41,263
enforcement that we work with

1913
01:00:42,813 --> 01:00:43,063
all the time in the county in

1914
01:00:44,780 --> 01:00:45,030
the city regarding vehicles that

1915
01:00:45,513 --> 01:00:45,763
are non operable

1916
01:00:48,513 --> 01:00:48,763
in people's yards and it becomes

1917
01:00:49,313 --> 01:00:49,563
a blight for their neighbors so

1918
01:00:51,046 --> 01:00:51,296
like the assembly member said

1919
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:52,730
you get calls from your

1920
01:00:54,513 --> 01:00:54,763
constituents because they don't

1921
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:55,530
want to see the blight this

1922
01:00:56,746 --> 01:00:56,996
law would build off of the

1923
01:00:59,046 --> 01:00:59,296
AB4fif that we worked on last

1924
01:01:00,513 --> 01:01:00,763
session and put a lot of work

1925
01:01:03,013 --> 01:01:03,263
into and even during those

1926
01:01:05,046 --> 01:01:05,296
discussions Warren and I had

1927
01:01:06,746 --> 01:01:06,996
discussions about continuing

1928
01:01:08,546 --> 01:01:08,796
this in the interim and then

1929
01:01:09,146 --> 01:01:09,396
looking for some other

1930
01:01:10,813 --> 01:01:11,063
alternatives that him and his

1931
01:01:12,513 --> 01:01:12,763
clients were aware of in other

1932
01:01:14,780 --> 01:01:15,030
states and I think this is what

1933
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:15,730
the result is of that

1934
01:01:18,513 --> 01:01:18,763
continued conversation and

1935
01:01:20,513 --> 01:01:20,763
research and it will prevent

1936
01:01:22,513 --> 01:01:22,763
because when they don't have an

1937
01:01:23,246 --> 01:01:23,496
option they take it out to the

1938
01:01:25,213 --> 01:01:25,463
desert all of you probably

1939
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:27,230
see that illegal dumping in your

1940
01:01:28,980 --> 01:01:29,230
in your districts where you go

1941
01:01:30,513 --> 01:01:30,763
out to the desert and you're

1942
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:31,530
hiking around and you see things

1943
01:01:32,780 --> 01:01:33,030
that are dropped off you see

1944
01:01:34,513 --> 01:01:34,763
vehicles that are left on the

1945
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:36,730
side of the road. you see boats

1946
01:01:37,213 --> 01:01:37,463
that are side of the road that's

1947
01:01:38,746 --> 01:01:38,996
what that's what the AB415 dealt

1948
01:01:40,980 --> 01:01:41,230
with. now we're trying to give

1949
01:01:43,013 --> 01:01:43,263
consumers an option to be able

1950
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:45,330
to take it to a recycling yard

1951
01:01:45,713 --> 01:01:45,963
and dispose of

1952
01:01:48,746 --> 01:01:48,996
it properly and then not take it

1953
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:51,530
out to the desert and then also

1954
01:01:53,013 --> 01:01:53,263
when it comes to stolen vehicles

1955
01:01:54,713 --> 01:01:54,963
I've heard that brought up as

1956
01:01:57,046 --> 01:01:57,296
well you know law enforcement

1957
01:01:59,046 --> 01:01:59,296
could be contacted and and the

1958
01:02:00,513 --> 01:02:00,763
owners of the vehicles could say

1959
01:02:01,313 --> 01:02:01,563
hey can you run this vin number?

1960
01:02:04,746 --> 01:02:04,996
can you check it? uhdmv would be

1961
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:05,730
able to do the same and they've

1962
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:07,730
been in contact with Warren and

1963
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:09,530
look at you know is it stolen

1964
01:02:11,013 --> 01:02:11,263
and that those are nationwide

1965
01:02:13,046 --> 01:02:13,296
once a vehicles entered into

1966
01:02:15,113 --> 01:02:15,363
NCIC as we say those are

1967
01:02:15,613 --> 01:02:15,863
nationwide hits so

1968
01:02:18,613 --> 01:02:18,863
rather it's stolen in Nevada and

1969
01:02:20,513 --> 01:02:20,763
found in New York that's gonna

1970
01:02:22,513 --> 01:02:22,763
come up but there is a time

1971
01:02:24,746 --> 01:02:24,996
frame in regards to how long

1972
01:02:26,546 --> 01:02:26,796
those vehicles stay in NCIC

1973
01:02:28,513 --> 01:02:28,763
because everything expires over

1974
01:02:29,246 --> 01:02:29,496
time so you're not continuously

1975
01:02:32,513 --> 01:02:32,763
flooding the system. you

1976
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:33,330
could you could google it. I

1977
01:02:34,746 --> 01:02:34,996
don't want to give anybody you

1978
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:36,730
know, ideas of like if I hang

1979
01:02:37,113 --> 01:02:37,363
onto this car and I park it in a

1980
01:02:39,013 --> 01:02:39,263
storage unit and I wait the time

1981
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:41,230
frame now that57 Chevy as Warren

1982
01:02:44,513 --> 01:02:44,763
said becomes mine so just

1983
01:02:45,146 --> 01:02:45,396
keep that that in mind that all

1984
01:02:45,813 --> 01:02:46,063
those

1985
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:47,530
mechanisms are in place to

1986
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:49,530
prevent that and and when you

1987
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:51,030
have that vehicle in your front

1988
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:51,730
yard and you're tired of looking

1989
01:02:53,013 --> 01:02:53,263
at it and you have no

1990
01:02:53,546 --> 01:02:53,796
alternative you're gonna take it

1991
01:02:54,213 --> 01:02:54,463
to the desert

1992
01:02:57,180 --> 01:02:57,430
follow up chair please thank you

1993
01:02:59,146 --> 01:02:59,396
captain for that information. So

1994
01:03:00,513 --> 01:03:00,763
I just want to be sure that you

1995
01:03:01,180 --> 01:03:01,430
know we put this on record that

1996
01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:02,930
the

1997
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:05,530
language that is being proposed

1998
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:07,730
right now it is comparable into

1999
01:03:10,513 --> 01:03:10,763
your knowledge as far as some of

2000
01:03:12,513 --> 01:03:12,763
the different counterparts in

2001
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:14,730
our country in our different

2002
01:03:16,980 --> 01:03:17,230
states having similar rules

2003
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:19,230
in place so that we can help

2004
01:03:19,580 --> 01:03:19,830
cause I think this is also part

2005
01:03:21,013 --> 01:03:21,263
of this you know growth that we

2006
01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:23,030
have in Nevada where we have you

2007
01:03:24,780 --> 01:03:25,030
know increase in populations

2008
01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:25,630
folks move from here from all

2009
01:03:28,746 --> 01:03:28,996
over the country so are the

2010
01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:30,730
proposed language comparable

2011
01:03:31,313 --> 01:03:31,563
with what's happening across the

2012
01:03:32,013 --> 01:03:32,263
board

2013
01:03:34,713 --> 01:03:34,963
chair to you through you to

2014
01:03:36,713 --> 01:03:36,963
the assembly member when I

2015
01:03:37,446 --> 01:03:37,696
didn't read all of those states

2016
01:03:39,013 --> 01:03:39,263
that Warren put up there but I

2017
01:03:40,746 --> 01:03:40,996
trust I've worked around Warren

2018
01:03:42,813 --> 01:03:43,063
I trust him wholeheartedly to be

2019
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:44,730
like yup that information is

2020
01:03:45,246 --> 01:03:45,496
correct and his client I

2021
01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:47,230
could go back and take a cursory

2022
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:49,530
research of those but I would

2023
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:51,530
say that it it you know would be

2024
01:03:52,813 --> 01:03:53,063
comparable especially if you

2025
01:03:53,413 --> 01:03:53,663
know he's putting it up there

2026
01:03:54,980 --> 01:03:55,230
and putting his word on it for

2027
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:57,530
sure I'd take that probably to

2028
01:03:57,946 --> 01:03:58,196
the bank so

2029
01:04:00,780 --> 01:04:01,030
other than that I think this

2030
01:04:02,746 --> 01:04:02,996
bill would help continue to

2031
01:04:04,746 --> 01:04:04,996
build off of what your

2032
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:06,730
legislative body has done in the

2033
01:04:07,313 --> 01:04:07,563
last couples or previous

2034
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:08,130
sessions as well

2035
01:04:10,980 --> 01:04:11,230
chair if I could just briefly

2036
01:04:11,646 --> 01:04:11,896
add to

2037
01:04:15,213 --> 01:04:15,463
I would say it's comparable I'm

2038
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:17,730
sorry Warren Hardy again it

2039
01:04:19,013 --> 01:04:19,263
is comparable to what other

2040
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:21,030
statesing we've done here is

2041
01:04:22,513 --> 01:04:22,763
taken but it's a little

2042
01:04:23,246 --> 01:04:23,496
different because we have

2043
01:04:26,946 --> 01:04:27,196
Nrs47105. and what that does

2044
01:04:29,446 --> 01:04:29,696
because we have NrS47105 is

2045
01:04:31,213 --> 01:04:31,463
built in protections for the

2046
01:04:33,113 --> 01:04:33,363
consumer because we already have

2047
01:04:35,246 --> 01:04:35,496
a process that requires admv to

2048
01:04:37,013 --> 01:04:37,263
run the VI and see if it's

2049
01:04:37,580 --> 01:04:37,830
stolen and figure all those

2050
01:04:38,113 --> 01:04:38,363
things out

2051
01:04:40,980 --> 01:04:41,230
so it's comparable but better

2052
01:04:41,613 --> 01:04:41,863
because of47105.

2053
01:04:46,513 --> 01:04:46,763
so sorry real quick Joshmartinez

2054
01:04:47,213 --> 01:04:47,463
if I could just add one more

2055
01:04:47,780 --> 01:04:48,030
thing that's where the

2056
01:04:49,446 --> 01:04:49,696
affidavits sir come comes into

2057
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:51,430
play and that's where what our

2058
01:04:54,513 --> 01:04:54,763
detectives from our viper task

2059
01:04:55,213 --> 01:04:55,463
force would look look at to be

2060
01:04:56,980 --> 01:04:57,230
able to backtrack if we do have

2061
01:04:58,980 --> 01:04:59,230
to do an investigation it adds

2062
01:05:00,913 --> 01:05:01,163
just another layer right there

2063
01:05:01,580 --> 01:05:01,830
to the process

2064
01:05:03,246 --> 01:05:03,496
I appreciate that I appreciate

2065
01:05:04,746 --> 01:05:04,996
the answer thank you and and

2066
01:05:06,513 --> 01:05:06,763
thank you for coming up. I know

2067
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:07,530
sometimes it's hard to get

2068
01:05:08,713 --> 01:05:08,963
pulled up on the spot so thank

2069
01:05:11,013 --> 01:05:11,263
you captain for your

2070
01:05:12,713 --> 01:05:12,963
testimony there. thank you chair

2071
01:05:13,380 --> 01:05:13,630
for your

2072
01:05:13,646 --> 01:05:13,896
indulgence

2073
01:05:15,413 --> 01:05:15,663
Thank you.ext we'll go to

2074
01:05:15,980 --> 01:05:16,230
assembly member flanagan.

2075
01:05:20,946 --> 01:05:21,196
thank you umchair Flores thank

2076
01:05:22,980 --> 01:05:23,230
you for the presentation. I know

2077
01:05:23,713 --> 01:05:23,963
this sounds like well this deals

2078
01:05:24,380 --> 01:05:24,630
with

2079
01:05:26,746 --> 01:05:26,996
vehicles that people own and

2080
01:05:28,780 --> 01:05:29,030
they want to remove.

2081
01:05:31,213 --> 01:05:31,463
I guess I'm assuming the

2082
01:05:33,213 --> 01:05:33,463
conversation may continue

2083
01:05:35,213 --> 01:05:35,463
wondering how cities or

2084
01:05:37,413 --> 01:05:37,663
municipalities come into play

2085
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:39,530
when they have neighborhoods

2086
01:05:41,013 --> 01:05:41,263
that may not be governed by HO

2087
01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:43,530
as and the residents don't call

2088
01:05:45,013 --> 01:05:45,263
you but the neighbor has to deal

2089
01:05:46,513 --> 01:05:46,763
with the eyesore of the

2090
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:49,730
nonworking vehicle and is that

2091
01:05:51,013 --> 01:05:51,263
part of the ongoing conversation

2092
01:05:53,346 --> 01:05:53,596
if this does move forward

2093
01:05:53,913 --> 01:05:54,163
then you give some

2094
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:57,030
another very good question

2095
01:05:58,980 --> 01:05:59,230
Warren Hardy for the record. so

2096
01:06:01,013 --> 01:06:01,263
the circumstances under which an

2097
01:06:06,746 --> 01:06:06,996
HOA or a neighbor or a

2098
01:06:08,513 --> 01:06:08,763
property manager at apartment

2099
01:06:09,213 --> 01:06:09,463
complex can call and get a

2100
01:06:12,713 --> 01:06:12,963
vehicle removed against the will

2101
01:06:14,746 --> 01:06:14,996
of the owner of the vehicle are

2102
01:06:16,513 --> 01:06:16,763
already in place it's an

2103
01:06:18,513 --> 01:06:18,763
extensive process there's a lot

2104
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:19,730
of protections in the process

2105
01:06:21,013 --> 01:06:21,263
but yes law enforcement can

2106
01:06:22,780 --> 01:06:23,030
remove a vehicle that is

2107
01:06:23,346 --> 01:06:23,596
dangerous or has a that's

2108
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:24,130
already in

2109
01:06:26,746 --> 01:06:26,996
place this doesn't toucht that

2110
01:06:29,246 --> 01:06:29,496
at all. Nothing in this law

2111
01:06:32,513 --> 01:06:32,763
speaks to or makes it easier

2112
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:34,730
nothing in our proposal makes it

2113
01:06:35,246 --> 01:06:35,496
easier for a neighbor to call

2114
01:06:36,846 --> 01:06:37,096
and say I want that vehicle

2115
01:06:37,446 --> 01:06:37,696
gone.

2116
01:06:40,513 --> 01:06:40,763
Now I suppose if they call the

2117
01:06:41,113 --> 01:06:41,363
police the police come out and

2118
01:06:42,746 --> 01:06:42,996
ask about it then becomes a

2119
01:06:44,780 --> 01:06:45,030
nuisance but they still have to

2120
01:06:46,980 --> 01:06:47,230
trigger the process. they still

2121
01:06:48,513 --> 01:06:48,763
have to do it so those things

2122
01:06:50,813 --> 01:06:51,063
are already in place and this

2123
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:51,730
wouldn't impact

2124
01:06:56,646 --> 01:06:56,896
members of senator neal

2125
01:07:01,180 --> 01:07:01,430
thank you chair. How many

2126
01:07:02,846 --> 01:07:03,096
companies would benefit from

2127
01:07:03,413 --> 01:07:03,663
this legislation?

2128
01:07:06,646 --> 01:07:06,896
competitors we have innevada

2129
01:07:16,980 --> 01:07:17,230
Yeah'll allll auto records I

2130
01:07:17,580 --> 01:07:17,830
don't have a number I can get

2131
01:07:18,846 --> 01:07:19,096
back to you on that

2132
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:23,230
but again this is not central

2133
01:07:25,013 --> 01:07:25,263
our business model contemplates

2134
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:27,130
acquiring vehicles for

2135
01:07:27,313 --> 01:07:27,563
dismantling from

2136
01:07:31,213 --> 01:07:31,463
insurance auctions and auto

2137
01:07:33,013 --> 01:07:33,263
auctions and all those sorts of

2138
01:07:34,513 --> 01:07:34,763
things this is never this is not

2139
01:07:35,213 --> 01:07:35,463
something we would have brought

2140
01:07:36,746 --> 01:07:36,996
forward on our own. I can tell

2141
01:07:38,713 --> 01:07:38,963
you that this is something we

2142
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:40,730
brought forward because the

2143
01:07:41,113 --> 01:07:41,363
committee had the presentation

2144
01:07:43,013 --> 01:07:43,263
and we felt we could offer some

2145
01:07:43,646 --> 01:07:43,896
suggestions on how to how to

2146
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:44,530
help

2147
01:07:48,646 --> 01:07:48,896
so this passes we could expect

2148
01:07:49,313 --> 01:07:49,563
to see

2149
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:50,930
commercials saying

2150
01:07:54,513 --> 01:07:54,763
this list of your car is at

2151
01:07:56,713 --> 01:07:56,963
least10 years old has relatively

2152
01:07:59,213 --> 01:07:59,463
low value incomplete inoperable

2153
01:08:00,980 --> 01:08:01,230
and you don't have ownership

2154
01:08:02,846 --> 01:08:03,096
documents call1-800

2155
01:08:08,946 --> 01:08:09,196
chairir Warren Hardy sadly

2156
01:08:11,146 --> 01:08:11,396
that those already exist and

2157
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:15,230
those are illegal actors those

2158
01:08:17,180 --> 01:08:17,430
are illegal actors and

2159
01:08:18,746 --> 01:08:18,996
unfortunately people take

2160
01:08:19,580 --> 01:08:19,830
advantage of that because they

2161
01:08:20,246 --> 01:08:20,496
have no option

2162
01:08:23,413 --> 01:08:23,663
if you want a vehicle removed

2163
01:08:24,646 --> 01:08:24,896
from your property

2164
01:08:27,180 --> 01:08:27,430
you have to go to one of those

2165
01:08:28,946 --> 01:08:29,196
illegal operators who will take

2166
01:08:29,613 --> 01:08:29,863
it in violation of the law

2167
01:08:33,213 --> 01:08:33,463
so to the extent it benefits my

2168
01:08:33,913 --> 01:08:34,163
client, it puts

2169
01:08:38,946 --> 01:08:39,196
bonded licensed authorized auto

2170
01:08:40,946 --> 01:08:41,196
records in the ability to accept

2171
01:08:43,213 --> 01:08:43,463
those it will have the impact

2172
01:08:45,213 --> 01:08:45,463
potentially of eliminating the

2173
01:08:47,213 --> 01:08:47,463
the illegal actors that's where

2174
01:08:48,946 --> 01:08:49,196
those come from and they are

2175
01:08:50,746 --> 01:08:50,996
everywhere. you can go on

2176
01:08:52,746 --> 01:08:52,996
OfferUp right now and they'll

2177
01:08:53,446 --> 01:08:53,696
tell you how much they'll give

2178
01:08:56,513 --> 01:08:56,763
you for your untitled vehicle

2179
01:09:00,513 --> 01:09:00,763
that is100% illegal and we won't

2180
01:09:01,180 --> 01:09:01,430
participate it and the current

2181
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:05,130
law does push these poor people

2182
01:09:05,546 --> 01:09:05,796
who would rather follow

2183
01:09:08,480 --> 01:09:08,730
the law to those folks to just

2184
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:09,330
get rid of it illegally

2185
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:10,930
so

2186
01:09:14,746 --> 01:09:14,996
to that extent it does benefit

2187
01:09:16,513 --> 01:09:16,763
us that we can now compete

2188
01:09:18,513 --> 01:09:18,763
legally for the vehicles that

2189
01:09:21,013 --> 01:09:21,263
unscrupulous actors are pursuing

2190
01:09:23,046 --> 01:09:23,296
illegally so how are you going

2191
01:09:24,713 --> 01:09:24,963
to distinguish between good

2192
01:09:26,713 --> 01:09:26,963
actor and bad actor being that

2193
01:09:28,513 --> 01:09:28,763
that's been out there. I mean

2194
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:30,730
people put stuff on OfferUp

2195
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:31,530
because they think ok I can put

2196
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:33,330
a car and put a dresser I can

2197
01:09:35,046 --> 01:09:35,296
put whatever right because it

2198
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:35,930
becomes a platform

2199
01:09:39,246 --> 01:09:39,496
in which folks they're like oh I

2200
01:09:40,746 --> 01:09:40,996
can put my stuff out there

2201
01:09:42,646 --> 01:09:42,896
because someone else put their

2202
01:09:43,313 --> 01:09:43,563
stuff out there

2203
01:09:45,446 --> 01:09:45,696
so how do you distinguish

2204
01:09:46,713 --> 01:09:46,963
between what's illegal and

2205
01:09:49,146 --> 01:09:49,396
what's not you know the ba I

2206
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:50,930
mean cause we see consumers

2207
01:09:53,213 --> 01:09:53,463
operate all the time and they

2208
01:09:55,213 --> 01:09:55,463
don't actually know the

2209
01:09:57,213 --> 01:09:57,463
difference. I know catmartinez

2210
01:09:58,513 --> 01:09:58,763
wants to say something but let

2211
01:09:59,546 --> 01:09:59,796
me just say we we won't there

2212
01:10:00,146 --> 01:10:00,396
there's no enforcement

2213
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:05,030
in here what we're doing here is

2214
01:10:05,513 --> 01:10:05,763
providing an options for

2215
01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:07,230
somebody who wants to legally

2216
01:10:08,713 --> 01:10:08,963
dispose of this car to be able

2217
01:10:10,980 --> 01:10:11,230
to do it. There is literally in

2218
01:10:13,246 --> 01:10:13,496
some cases no way for these

2219
01:10:15,213 --> 01:10:15,463
people to legally dispose of

2220
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:17,230
that car. they're going to have

2221
01:10:18,980 --> 01:10:19,230
to have it towed so that it

2222
01:10:20,980 --> 01:10:21,230
enters the lien process we're

2223
01:10:22,513 --> 01:10:22,763
gonna have to get somebody to do

2224
01:10:23,513 --> 01:10:23,763
a lien illegally on their

2225
01:10:26,513 --> 01:10:26,763
behalf. all this does is create

2226
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:29,530
a legal pathway sollll and

2227
01:10:29,846 --> 01:10:30,096
Camartinez wanted to address

2228
01:10:30,480 --> 01:10:30,730
that as well

2229
01:10:33,246 --> 01:10:33,496
Joshmartinez for the record

2230
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:36,730
chaired through you to

2231
01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:39,230
senator neal the illegal

2232
01:10:40,980 --> 01:10:41,230
operators that Warren's

2233
01:10:42,746 --> 01:10:42,996
talking about we work with his

2234
01:10:45,046 --> 01:10:45,296
industry we have a coalition of

2235
01:10:47,313 --> 01:10:47,563
of detectives and sergeant

2236
01:10:49,046 --> 01:10:49,296
that have worked with his folks

2237
01:10:51,013 --> 01:10:51,263
for a long period of time they

2238
01:10:52,746 --> 01:10:52,996
have monthly meetings to

2239
01:10:54,513 --> 01:10:54,763
identify bad actors that are out

2240
01:10:56,513 --> 01:10:56,763
there. we've worked on local

2241
01:10:59,013 --> 01:10:59,263
ordinances as well as Nrs to

2242
01:11:00,913 --> 01:11:01,163
improve our ability to go after

2243
01:11:01,546 --> 01:11:01,796
those bad actors in regards

2244
01:11:02,780 --> 01:11:03,030
to doing business without a

2245
01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:05,230
business license obtaining you

2246
01:11:06,980 --> 01:11:07,230
know pro property under false

2247
01:11:08,746 --> 01:11:08,996
pretenses and some of the other

2248
01:11:10,513 --> 01:11:10,763
laws that are out there and so

2249
01:11:11,246 --> 01:11:11,496
we've targeted those folks not

2250
01:11:12,746 --> 01:11:12,996
only in the scrap metal

2251
01:11:15,013 --> 01:11:15,263
business that are elite that are

2252
01:11:17,013 --> 01:11:17,263
working illegally out there

2253
01:11:18,746 --> 01:11:18,996
where they have somebody bring

2254
01:11:19,346 --> 01:11:19,596
them the material on a street

2255
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:21,530
corner or the same thing with a

2256
01:11:23,013 --> 01:11:23,263
car they could have somebody

2257
01:11:24,513 --> 01:11:24,763
come pick up that car they could

2258
01:11:26,513 --> 01:11:26,763
chop it up into 1000 pieces and

2259
01:11:27,313 --> 01:11:27,563
and that's how they dispose

2260
01:11:30,946 --> 01:11:31,196
dispose of it down you know

2261
01:11:31,513 --> 01:11:31,763
later on down the road

2262
01:11:33,013 --> 01:11:33,263
sometimes people will wait

2263
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:36,730
years. this gives the the folks

2264
01:11:38,746 --> 01:11:38,996
out there inunity and when we

2265
01:11:41,213 --> 01:11:41,463
heard the issue last session

2266
01:11:43,313 --> 01:11:43,563
this goes to what was being

2267
01:11:45,013 --> 01:11:45,263
discussed in northern Nevada

2268
01:11:45,613 --> 01:11:45,863
where you have a different

2269
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:47,530
layout up in the north where you

2270
01:11:49,380 --> 01:11:49,630
have large parcels of property

2271
01:11:51,380 --> 01:11:51,630
and somebody just drops off an

2272
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:53,930
abandoned vehicle on my parcel

2273
01:11:56,546 --> 01:11:56,796
or or your neighbor's parcel and

2274
01:11:57,213 --> 01:11:57,463
now they don't know how to how

2275
01:11:58,846 --> 01:11:59,096
to get rid of it and that's

2276
01:12:00,546 --> 01:12:00,796
where we came to a compromise in

2277
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:01,530
the public right away with a

2278
01:12:04,513 --> 01:12:04,763
B 415 and like we said before

2279
01:12:06,813 --> 01:12:07,063
this now allows those folks in

2280
01:12:08,813 --> 01:12:09,063
in the private capacity if

2281
01:12:10,813 --> 01:12:11,063
somebody drops off a vehicle in

2282
01:12:11,646 --> 01:12:11,896
the northern part of the state

2283
01:12:14,546 --> 01:12:14,796
on their large large piece of

2284
01:12:15,346 --> 01:12:15,596
property that they own they

2285
01:12:17,380 --> 01:12:17,630
could now have a remedy too to

2286
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:19,630
deal with that car that was just

2287
01:12:20,813 --> 01:12:21,063
dropped on their property

2288
01:12:21,380 --> 01:12:21,630
because somebody wanted to get

2289
01:12:23,413 --> 01:12:23,663
rid of it but maybe that slows

2290
01:12:25,146 --> 01:12:25,396
that process down by having this

2291
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,130
in place if this was to pass

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01:12:27,546 --> 01:12:27,796
because now that person that

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01:12:29,446 --> 01:12:29,696
dropped the car has the remedy

2294
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:31,230
if they own that car outright to

2295
01:12:31,646 --> 01:12:31,896
be able to go take it

2296
01:12:32,313 --> 01:12:32,563
to a recycler

2297
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:35,330
And Mr Chair I I just revi

2298
01:12:36,780 --> 01:12:37,030
remind you of something I said

2299
01:12:38,546 --> 01:12:38,796
earlier. I don't know what the

2300
01:12:39,180 --> 01:12:39,430
impact will be.ertainly these

2301
01:12:40,780 --> 01:12:41,030
bad actors are still going to be

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01:12:41,446 --> 01:12:41,696
out there trying to acquire

2303
01:12:43,346 --> 01:12:43,596
these vehicles without titles

2304
01:12:45,313 --> 01:12:45,563
but I'll just remind you we get

2305
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,330
hundreds as an industry we get

2306
01:12:50,546 --> 01:12:50,796
hundreds of these calls a month

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01:12:52,513 --> 01:12:52,763
of people saying I'd like to you

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01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:53,530
to buy my vehicle and we have to

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01:12:53,946 --> 01:12:54,196
tell them no

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01:12:56,513 --> 01:12:56,763
and so they have no choice but

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01:12:57,313 --> 01:12:57,563
to either dump it, go to an

2312
01:12:59,046 --> 01:12:59,296
illegal and I appreciate you

2313
01:13:00,546 --> 01:13:00,796
bringing that up because I

2314
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:01,330
didn't I didn't bring that up

2315
01:13:02,813 --> 01:13:03,063
but it's100% true they do have

2316
01:13:03,446 --> 01:13:03,696
the option to go to an

2317
01:13:06,513 --> 01:13:06,763
unlicensed person and sell their

2318
01:13:08,513 --> 01:13:08,763
vehicle but I can tell you in

2319
01:13:09,713 --> 01:13:09,963
our case it will be hundreds a

2320
01:13:11,413 --> 01:13:11,663
month where we can say bring it

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01:13:13,213 --> 01:13:13,463
down and we'll pay you for it

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01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:14,130
and you'll be done with it.

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01:13:15,413 --> 01:13:15,663
legally.

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01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:24,930
anything else

2325
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:34,730
internal comment

2326
01:13:36,746 --> 01:13:36,996
thank you again for the for

2327
01:13:38,513 --> 01:13:38,763
the presentation and thank you

2328
01:13:40,746 --> 01:13:40,996
for working alongside of law

2329
01:13:42,513 --> 01:13:42,763
enforcement in our local juris

2330
01:13:44,513 --> 01:13:44,763
jurisdictions to to ensure that

2331
01:13:46,513 --> 01:13:46,763
we're all on the same page

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01:13:48,513 --> 01:13:48,763
and then we'll see if the the

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01:13:49,313 --> 01:13:49,563
committee has the appetite to

2334
01:13:50,813 --> 01:13:51,063
consider it a little bit later

2335
01:13:51,413 --> 01:13:51,663
in the agenda today. thank you

2336
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:52,330
again.

2337
01:13:55,246 --> 01:13:55,496
members thank you for for all

2338
01:13:57,046 --> 01:13:57,296
those questions and and for

2339
01:13:58,846 --> 01:13:59,096
engaging with this

2340
01:13:59,313 --> 01:13:59,563
conversation

2341
01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:03,030
and and it was at my request

2342
01:14:05,013 --> 01:14:05,263
that I asked him to come in as

2343
01:14:06,513 --> 01:14:06,763
you all recall we had a

2344
01:14:09,046 --> 01:14:09,296
conversation earlier probably

2345
01:14:11,046 --> 01:14:11,296
in our first or second meeting

2346
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:13,030
where we were addressing the

2347
01:14:14,980 --> 01:14:15,230
issue of abandoned vehicles a

2348
01:14:16,780 --> 01:14:17,030
problem that I know in my

2349
01:14:18,846 --> 01:14:19,096
district is a huge problem

2350
01:14:20,513 --> 01:14:20,763
and I'm grateful to local

2351
01:14:22,813 --> 01:14:23,063
jurisdiction working together

2352
01:14:24,780 --> 01:14:25,030
to try to reach some type of

2353
01:14:26,780 --> 01:14:27,030
solution though there there's a

2354
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:27,730
lot of things we still got to do

2355
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:28,430
to to get there

2356
01:14:31,213 --> 01:14:31,463
next I'd like to move on to

2357
01:14:33,213 --> 01:14:33,463
the next item agenda item

2358
01:14:34,980 --> 01:14:35,230
number5 which is a discussion

2359
01:14:36,780 --> 01:14:37,030
regarding legislative auditors

2360
01:14:38,713 --> 01:14:38,963
review of the child fatalities

2361
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:40,730
and near fatalities

2362
01:14:41,413 --> 01:14:41,663
do you have anybody joining

2363
01:14:45,013 --> 01:14:45,263
us are we down south or up in

2364
01:14:46,513 --> 01:14:46,763
carson cityity? there we go. I

2365
01:14:47,213 --> 01:14:47,463
see you in carson City.

2366
01:14:48,980 --> 01:14:49,230
welcomelcome. whenever you're

2367
01:14:49,580 --> 01:14:49,830
ready just please make sure you

2368
01:14:50,246 --> 01:14:50,496
hit that mic

2369
01:14:52,646 --> 01:14:52,896
and it should be turning green

2370
01:14:53,346 --> 01:14:53,596
when it's on

2371
01:15:04,513 --> 01:15:04,763
Good afternoon chair and members

2372
01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:05,530
of the committeete. My name is

2373
01:15:10,746 --> 01:15:10,996
Haley Cornelia Swift HAil E Y C

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01:15:16,780 --> 01:15:17,030
O Rn El I A dash S W IFT Senior

2375
01:15:18,780 --> 01:15:19,030
child welfare specialist for the

2376
01:15:20,513 --> 01:15:20,763
record. this agenda item is

2377
01:15:22,780 --> 01:15:23,030
related to assembly bill 261

2378
01:15:23,546 --> 01:15:23,796
from the 2007 legislative

2379
01:15:26,513 --> 01:15:26,763
session later codified an

2380
01:15:27,113 --> 01:15:27,363
Nrs218g.550

2381
01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:31,263
which has required child welfare

2382
01:15:32,746 --> 01:15:32,996
agencies to submit to us the

2383
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:34,730
case files of children who

2384
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:35,330
suffered a fatality or near

2385
01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:37,263
fatality if the agencies had

2386
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:37,930
prior contact with the child or

2387
01:15:38,346 --> 01:15:38,596
family.

2388
01:15:40,713 --> 01:15:40,963
since that time we have reviewed

2389
01:15:43,246 --> 01:15:43,496
over1000 such cases the delivery

2390
01:15:44,980 --> 01:15:45,230
of child welfare services in

2391
01:15:46,746 --> 01:15:46,996
Nevada is governed by various

2392
01:15:49,013 --> 01:15:49,263
laws and regulations. state laws

2393
01:15:50,513 --> 01:15:50,763
related to child welfare

2394
01:15:51,246 --> 01:15:51,496
services or codified mely

2395
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:52,930
innrs432b.

2396
01:15:56,513 --> 01:15:56,763
d c F S has also adopted

2397
01:15:57,180 --> 01:15:57,430
regulations in NAC432b.

2398
01:16:00,980 --> 01:16:01,230
in their oversight role, dcFs's

2399
01:16:03,046 --> 01:16:03,296
statutory duty includes adopting

2400
01:16:04,980 --> 01:16:05,230
regulations to carry out the

2401
01:16:06,513 --> 01:16:06,763
provisions of applicable state

2402
01:16:08,746 --> 01:16:08,996
laws including establishing

2403
01:16:10,513 --> 01:16:10,763
uniform standards for providing

2404
01:16:11,213 --> 01:16:11,463
child welfare services.

2405
01:16:14,746 --> 01:16:14,996
regarding child fatality and

2406
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:16,730
near fatality reporting and

2407
01:16:17,513 --> 01:16:17,763
public disclosure policies have

2408
01:16:19,246 --> 01:16:19,496
been developed bydcFs concerning

2409
01:16:21,046 --> 01:16:21,296
the release of information to

2410
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:23,530
the public as required under

2411
01:16:25,380 --> 01:16:25,630
Nrs2432b.175

2412
01:16:29,013 --> 01:16:29,263
statewide policy requires that

2413
01:16:31,013 --> 01:16:31,263
any time a child who has had

2414
01:16:31,646 --> 01:16:31,896
contact with or has been in the

2415
01:16:33,013 --> 01:16:33,263
custody of a child welfare

2416
01:16:35,246 --> 01:16:35,496
agency suffers a fatality or

2417
01:16:37,213 --> 01:16:37,463
near fatality, the local child

2418
01:16:39,013 --> 01:16:39,263
welfare agency will review the

2419
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:39,930
child fatality or near fatality.

2420
01:16:42,746 --> 01:16:42,996
d c F s will perform an

2421
01:16:44,513 --> 01:16:44,763
additional administrative review

2422
01:16:46,513 --> 01:16:46,763
as outlined in statewide

2423
01:16:49,213 --> 01:16:49,463
policy0402view of child fatality

2424
01:16:49,913 --> 01:16:50,163
or near fatality cases.

2425
01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:53,263
as part of our duties outlined

2426
01:16:57,013 --> 01:16:57,263
in Nrs218g.550, we review the

2427
01:16:58,780 --> 01:16:59,030
case file and the case

2428
01:16:59,246 --> 01:16:59,496
information stored

2429
01:16:59,646 --> 01:16:59,896
electronically in the

2430
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:01,530
centralized child welfare system

2431
01:17:03,013 --> 01:17:03,263
to determine whether the case

2432
01:17:04,513 --> 01:17:04,763
was handled in a manner

2433
01:17:05,013 --> 01:17:05,263
consistent with state and

2434
01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:07,263
federal law and whether any

2435
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:10,730
measures procedures or protocols

2436
01:17:11,146 --> 01:17:11,396
could have assisted in

2437
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:11,930
preventing the fatality or near

2438
01:17:12,346 --> 01:17:12,596
fatality.

2439
01:17:14,980 --> 01:17:15,230
we frequently discuss questions

2440
01:17:16,980 --> 01:17:17,230
and concerns identified in our

2441
01:17:18,480 --> 01:17:18,730
case reviews with the child

2442
01:17:19,446 --> 01:17:19,696
welfare agencies to seek

2443
01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:20,930
understanding and clarification

2444
01:17:23,313 --> 01:17:23,563
for the past several years

2445
01:17:24,746 --> 01:17:24,996
qualifications of our child

2446
01:17:26,513 --> 01:17:26,763
welfare specialists include

2447
01:17:27,513 --> 01:17:27,763
extensive backgrounds in child

2448
01:17:29,013 --> 01:17:29,263
welfare in nevada and active

2449
01:17:29,646 --> 01:17:29,896
social work licenses.

2450
01:17:33,013 --> 01:17:33,263
this process is not an audit and

2451
01:17:34,780 --> 01:17:35,030
is not required to be reviewed

2452
01:17:36,813 --> 01:17:37,063
or accepted by the legislature.

2453
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:38,730
However, the product of our

2454
01:17:39,246 --> 01:17:39,496
reviews is a letter issued to

2455
01:17:41,246 --> 01:17:41,496
the legislature summarizing the

2456
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:42,930
results and notable concerns we

2457
01:17:43,346 --> 01:17:43,596
identified.

2458
01:17:46,780 --> 01:17:47,030
the most recent letter for the

2459
01:17:47,480 --> 01:17:47,730
review period from january

2460
01:17:50,513 --> 01:17:50,763
firstst through December31,2025

2461
01:17:51,213 --> 01:17:51,463
is included in your packet under

2462
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:52,130
agenda item5.

2463
01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:55,530
in summary we identified some

2464
01:17:56,980 --> 01:17:57,230
concerns with child welfare

2465
01:17:58,780 --> 01:17:59,030
agencies compliance with certain

2466
01:18:00,746 --> 01:18:00,996
regulations and statewide

2467
01:18:02,480 --> 01:18:02,730
policies. this lack of

2468
01:18:03,513 --> 01:18:03,763
compliance prior to an incident

2469
01:18:05,246 --> 01:18:05,496
may have increased the risk a

2470
01:18:07,246 --> 01:18:07,496
child welfare agency did not

2471
01:18:08,746 --> 01:18:08,996
properly intervene when an

2472
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:10,930
allegation of abuse or neglect

2473
01:18:11,346 --> 01:18:11,596
was received.

2474
01:18:13,246 --> 01:18:13,496
on page three of the letter we

2475
01:18:14,746 --> 01:18:14,996
include a summary of the

2476
01:18:16,480 --> 01:18:16,730
deficiencies noted in our

2477
01:18:18,746 --> 01:18:18,996
reviews as part of our process

2478
01:18:20,513 --> 01:18:20,763
we issued letters to child

2479
01:18:21,546 --> 01:18:21,796
welfare agencies to express our

2480
01:18:23,013 --> 01:18:23,263
concerns with management about

2481
01:18:23,746 --> 01:18:23,996
how several cases were handled.

2482
01:18:27,013 --> 01:18:27,263
after expressing our concerns

2483
01:18:28,746 --> 01:18:28,996
child welfare agency officials

2484
01:18:30,513 --> 01:18:30,763
indicated they performed their

2485
01:18:32,513 --> 01:18:32,763
own internal review of the cases

2486
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:33,530
and identified the need for

2487
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:35,530
additional improvements such as

2488
01:18:36,746 --> 01:18:36,996
clarifying and reinforcing

2489
01:18:39,013 --> 01:18:39,263
policy and practice improving

2490
01:18:40,780 --> 01:18:41,030
the quality and completeness of

2491
01:18:42,646 --> 01:18:42,896
documentation and providing

2492
01:18:43,213 --> 01:18:43,463
training for staff.

2493
01:18:45,013 --> 01:18:45,263
as we perform case reviews in

2494
01:18:46,746 --> 01:18:46,996
the future we will continue to

2495
01:18:48,780 --> 01:18:49,030
monitor child welfare aggencies

2496
01:18:50,513 --> 01:18:50,763
efforts to help ensure

2497
01:18:51,213 --> 01:18:51,463
improvement and sustained

2498
01:18:53,113 --> 01:18:53,363
implementation of the corrective

2499
01:18:53,746 --> 01:18:53,996
actions reported

2500
01:18:55,246 --> 01:18:55,496
we are happy to answer any

2501
01:18:56,813 --> 01:18:57,063
questions the committee might

2502
01:18:57,480 --> 01:18:57,730
have regarding our

2503
01:19:08,513 --> 01:19:08,763
and thank you for that. I know

2504
01:19:09,213 --> 01:19:09,463
we will have other folks who

2505
01:19:10,980 --> 01:19:11,230
will be joining us even here

2506
01:19:13,246 --> 01:19:13,496
in Las Vegas but members any

2507
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:15,230
questions for now and I know

2508
01:19:17,013 --> 01:19:17,263
that and I do appreciate you

2509
01:19:19,013 --> 01:19:19,263
making yourselves available

2510
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:19,930
we'll start off withenatorneal.

2511
01:19:25,546 --> 01:19:25,796
Thanks chair

2512
01:19:31,046 --> 01:19:31,296
thank you for putting the audit

2513
01:19:33,180 --> 01:19:33,430
in the record

2514
01:19:37,013 --> 01:19:37,263
I guess the thing was when I saw

2515
01:19:37,746 --> 01:19:37,996
this audit drop out

2516
01:19:41,313 --> 01:19:41,563
which is pretty much dated

2517
01:19:42,946 --> 01:19:43,196
July21st,2026.

2518
01:19:46,780 --> 01:19:47,030
the first question that I asked

2519
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:49,130
was you know this statement of

2520
01:19:50,913 --> 01:19:51,163
internal review

2521
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:53,130
and it seems that

2522
01:19:55,346 --> 01:19:55,596
this isn't the first time

2523
01:19:59,446 --> 01:19:59,696
that similar issues have popped

2524
01:20:00,146 --> 01:20:00,396
up

2525
01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:04,730
so when an agency says oh we're

2526
01:20:05,146 --> 01:20:05,396
doing internal review

2527
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:09,530
how do you make sure that

2528
01:20:11,246 --> 01:20:11,496
they're really acting because it

2529
01:20:12,646 --> 01:20:12,896
was my understanding that

2530
01:20:16,480 --> 01:20:16,730
there were prior years where

2531
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:18,730
there had been the same exact

2532
01:20:19,180 --> 01:20:19,430
concerns and then the same

2533
01:20:20,746 --> 01:20:20,996
response was we're doing an

2534
01:20:23,246 --> 01:20:23,496
internal review to you know

2535
01:20:25,146 --> 01:20:25,396
address these concerns which is

2536
01:20:25,813 --> 01:20:26,063
actually very vague

2537
01:20:28,846 --> 01:20:29,096
that's the first

2538
01:20:36,713 --> 01:20:36,963
Thank youhayornelia swift child

2539
01:20:37,413 --> 01:20:37,663
welfare specialist for the

2540
01:20:38,980 --> 01:20:39,230
record chair through you to

2541
01:20:42,746 --> 01:20:42,996
senator Neal first and foremost

2542
01:20:44,513 --> 01:20:44,763
these are not audits and the

2543
01:20:45,113 --> 01:20:45,363
letter doesn't contain

2544
01:20:47,013 --> 01:20:47,263
recommendations our statutory

2545
01:20:48,780 --> 01:20:49,030
authority is limited to

2546
01:20:50,513 --> 01:20:50,763
reviewing the cases to determine

2547
01:20:51,213 --> 01:20:51,463
whether they were handled in a

2548
01:20:52,746 --> 01:20:52,996
manner which was consistent with

2549
01:20:54,746 --> 01:20:54,996
state and federal law and to

2550
01:20:56,746 --> 01:20:56,996
determine if anything could have

2551
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:57,730
prevented the fatality or near

2552
01:21:00,746 --> 01:21:00,996
fatality we are not an

2553
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:03,330
oversight entity that can issue

2554
01:21:03,746 --> 01:21:03,996
any type of corrective

2555
01:21:06,746 --> 01:21:06,996
action. how we do communicate

2556
01:21:08,513 --> 01:21:08,763
our concerns to the relevant

2557
01:21:10,713 --> 01:21:10,963
child welfare agencies anddcFS

2558
01:21:12,980 --> 01:21:13,230
who has oversight over the the

2559
01:21:15,413 --> 01:21:15,663
county child welfare agencies. I

2560
01:21:17,246 --> 01:21:17,496
will also note that each child

2561
01:21:20,546 --> 01:21:20,796
welfare case is extremely

2562
01:21:21,646 --> 01:21:21,896
complex and while the

2563
01:21:26,513 --> 01:21:26,763
scenarios or the situations may

2564
01:21:28,713 --> 01:21:28,963
sound similar each family is an

2565
01:21:30,713 --> 01:21:30,963
experiencing a very unique

2566
01:21:33,213 --> 01:21:33,463
situation that then comes to a

2567
01:21:35,213 --> 01:21:35,463
category that enters into our

2568
01:21:37,446 --> 01:21:37,696
letter. there is not one

2569
01:21:39,246 --> 01:21:39,496
definitive cause of repeat

2570
01:21:40,746 --> 01:21:40,996
findings and concerns with these

2571
01:21:43,046 --> 01:21:43,296
six cases they may stem from

2572
01:21:45,213 --> 01:21:45,463
multiple factors and each

2573
01:21:47,046 --> 01:21:47,296
respect respective child welfare

2574
01:21:48,980 --> 01:21:49,230
agency may best be able to

2575
01:21:51,013 --> 01:21:51,263
answer the question regarding

2576
01:21:52,646 --> 01:21:52,896
why this keeps occurring or why

2577
01:21:53,313 --> 01:21:53,563
there's similar find

2578
01:21:53,946 --> 01:21:54,196
ing s

2579
01:21:58,480 --> 01:21:58,730
thank you for that I'm

2580
01:21:59,180 --> 01:21:59,430
sorry thought it was super

2581
01:21:59,746 --> 01:21:59,996
confused because

2582
01:22:02,946 --> 01:22:03,196
there was a legislative council

2583
01:22:03,613 --> 01:22:03,863
bureau audit

2584
01:22:07,346 --> 01:22:07,596
on July21,2026

2585
01:22:12,746 --> 01:22:12,996
which was the legislator's

2586
01:22:14,513 --> 01:22:14,763
auditor review of child

2587
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:16,730
fatalities and near fatalities

2588
01:22:18,746 --> 01:22:18,996
when a child welfare welfare

2589
01:22:20,513 --> 01:22:20,763
agency has had prior contact

2590
01:22:21,380 --> 01:22:21,630
with the child or family under

2591
01:22:28,980 --> 01:22:29,230
pursuant to 281G550 so are we

2592
01:22:30,746 --> 01:22:30,996
not talking about the same thing

2593
01:22:32,980 --> 01:22:33,230
because technically I I just

2594
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:34,730
assumed you were in the same

2595
01:22:37,213 --> 01:22:37,463
nucleus because in this in in

2596
01:22:38,913 --> 01:22:39,163
the second paragraph

2597
01:22:42,746 --> 01:22:42,996
of the first page of the audit

2598
01:22:44,946 --> 01:22:45,196
it says the three child welfare

2599
01:22:47,346 --> 01:22:47,596
agencies in Nevada or Clark

2600
01:22:47,913 --> 01:22:48,163
County Familyervices

2601
01:22:51,213 --> 01:22:51,463
Washoe County Humanervices

2602
01:22:52,746 --> 01:22:52,996
aggency and the division of

2603
01:22:54,980 --> 01:22:55,230
child and Familyervices rural

2604
01:22:56,946 --> 01:22:57,196
region. so are you

2605
01:22:57,546 --> 01:22:57,796
Dcfs

2606
01:23:03,013 --> 01:23:03,263
todd Peterson for the record

2607
01:23:04,980 --> 01:23:05,230
chief deputy legislative auditor

2608
01:23:07,246 --> 01:23:07,496
chair through you to

2609
01:23:08,980 --> 01:23:09,230
senatorial so I think what

2610
01:23:10,980 --> 01:23:11,230
you're referring to is a letter

2611
01:23:13,213 --> 01:23:13,463
that is posted on our website

2612
01:23:15,213 --> 01:23:15,463
it's it's included within the

2613
01:23:16,980 --> 01:23:17,230
audit division this is a

2614
01:23:19,213 --> 01:23:19,463
responsibility that the

2615
01:23:21,213 --> 01:23:21,463
legislature is placed on the

2616
01:23:22,980 --> 01:23:23,230
audit division through

2617
01:23:26,513 --> 01:23:26,763
Nrs218G but as Miss Cornelia

2618
01:23:28,780 --> 01:23:29,030
Swift mentioned, these are not

2619
01:23:29,413 --> 01:23:29,663
audits performed according to

2620
01:23:32,513 --> 01:23:32,763
government auditing standards

2621
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,130
which require an extensive

2622
01:23:36,980 --> 01:23:37,230
review process and and which is

2623
01:23:38,713 --> 01:23:38,963
also part of our authority under

2624
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:42,730
218g and within those audits

2625
01:23:44,513 --> 01:23:44,763
that we have authority to to

2626
01:23:46,746 --> 01:23:46,996
perform of state agencies and

2627
01:23:50,713 --> 01:23:50,963
now the the local school

2628
01:23:52,713 --> 01:23:52,963
districts we do provide

2629
01:23:55,180 --> 01:23:55,430
recommendations and there is

2630
01:23:58,513 --> 01:23:58,763
a whole process in statute that

2631
01:23:59,146 --> 01:23:59,396
is required for the the entity

2632
01:24:02,746 --> 01:24:02,996
to follow up and to implement

2633
01:24:04,980 --> 01:24:05,230
those recommendationsurrently an

2634
01:24:09,180 --> 01:24:09,430
interrs218G there is no

2635
01:24:11,346 --> 01:24:11,596
requirement for that for these

2636
01:24:12,013 --> 01:24:12,263
child welfare reviews.

2637
01:24:15,013 --> 01:24:15,263
if that if that answers your

2638
01:24:18,513 --> 01:24:18,763
question it it does so can you

2639
01:24:20,746 --> 01:24:20,996
educate me like so how should I

2640
01:24:23,046 --> 01:24:23,296
treat the letter right? so if I

2641
01:24:24,780 --> 01:24:25,030
get the letter right so I got

2642
01:24:26,746 --> 01:24:26,996
the letter on July 20 firstst I

2643
01:24:28,746 --> 01:24:28,996
read it and then I read through

2644
01:24:30,980 --> 01:24:31,230
it I responded because you know

2645
01:24:32,746 --> 01:24:32,996
you see Clark County

2646
01:24:33,580 --> 01:24:33,830
Familyervices had11 fatalities

2647
01:24:38,713 --> 01:24:38,963
number of near fatalities35

2648
01:24:39,313 --> 01:24:39,563
totalling46

2649
01:24:44,713 --> 01:24:44,963
Waho County Humanervices had4

2650
01:24:47,446 --> 01:24:47,696
number of fatalities and one

2651
01:24:50,913 --> 01:24:51,163
number of near fatalities which

2652
01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:51,830
total5.

2653
01:24:53,180 --> 01:24:53,430
so when I see the letter

2654
01:24:57,013 --> 01:24:57,263
should I discard the

2655
01:24:58,980 --> 01:24:59,230
information? how should I treat

2656
01:24:59,680 --> 01:24:59,930
the information as a legislator

2657
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:04,730
ho ul d I just say oh this was

2658
01:25:05,213 --> 01:25:05,463
just a letter for some kind of

2659
01:25:07,446 --> 01:25:07,696
reference and disregard? what

2660
01:25:08,046 --> 01:25:08,296
should I do with this

2661
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:08,730
information?

2662
01:25:12,746 --> 01:25:12,996
todd Peterson for the record

2663
01:25:16,513 --> 01:25:16,763
that's a good question that is a

2664
01:25:18,513 --> 01:25:18,763
question that we have internally

2665
01:25:20,746 --> 01:25:20,996
as far as this information

2666
01:25:23,246 --> 01:25:23,496
once again in statute we are

2667
01:25:25,013 --> 01:25:25,263
required to perform these

2668
01:25:28,780 --> 01:25:29,030
reviews and and to look for

2669
01:25:30,946 --> 01:25:31,196
opportunities for improvement

2670
01:25:33,180 --> 01:25:33,430
there is no in statute there is

2671
01:25:38,946 --> 01:25:39,196
no requirement that we produce a

2672
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:39,830
report of

2673
01:25:42,513 --> 01:25:42,763
this work but we felt internally

2674
01:25:44,713 --> 01:25:44,963
that it was important that we

2675
01:25:47,180 --> 01:25:47,430
summarize our work and and

2676
01:25:50,980 --> 01:25:51,230
provide that to the legislature

2677
01:25:52,980 --> 01:25:53,230
and we also provide this

2678
01:25:54,746 --> 01:25:54,996
information to the child welfare

2679
01:25:58,513 --> 01:25:58,763
agencies and uhdcFs who has

2680
01:25:59,580 --> 01:25:59,830
oversight and monitoring

2681
01:26:00,113 --> 01:26:00,363
responsibilities.

2682
01:26:07,413 --> 01:26:07,663
OK. so thank you for that. So

2683
01:26:08,880 --> 01:26:09,130
ok

2684
01:26:12,513 --> 01:26:12,763
so I'm gonna ask another

2685
01:26:13,013 --> 01:26:13,263
question cause I would like to

2686
01:26:15,013 --> 01:26:15,263
be educated because you you know

2687
01:26:15,713 --> 01:26:15,963
when you guys send stuff I read

2688
01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:16,630
it

2689
01:26:19,213 --> 01:26:19,463
I should probably find

2690
01:26:24,513 --> 01:26:24,763
anything else to do so when

2691
01:26:26,780 --> 01:26:27,030
when I you know I read like it

2692
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:29,263
was on page two and it was you

2693
01:26:30,780 --> 01:26:31,030
know giving us kind of this

2694
01:26:32,813 --> 01:26:33,063
legislative history right the

2695
01:26:33,446 --> 01:26:33,696
several bills have been passed

2696
01:26:37,046 --> 01:26:37,296
during the 2007 legislative

2697
01:26:37,746 --> 01:26:37,996
session to improve child welfare

2698
01:26:44,513 --> 01:26:44,763
which had legislative auditor

2699
01:26:45,246 --> 01:26:45,496
required to review information

2700
01:26:46,813 --> 01:26:47,063
to determine whether that a case

2701
01:26:48,713 --> 01:26:48,963
was handled in a manner

2702
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:49,530
consistent with state and

2703
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:50,130
federal law

2704
01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:53,530
what should the so when we get

2705
01:26:54,513 --> 01:26:54,763
those letters I mean we're

2706
01:26:55,113 --> 01:26:55,363
having this conversation in

2707
01:26:55,780 --> 01:26:56,030
government affairs so

2708
01:26:59,246 --> 01:26:59,496
should we be considering

2709
01:27:02,713 --> 01:27:02,963
legislation to strengthen

2710
01:27:06,513 --> 01:27:06,763
the auditor's ability the

2711
01:27:08,980 --> 01:27:09,230
auditor's office ability to come

2712
01:27:09,713 --> 01:27:09,963
back and do a full

2713
01:27:13,346 --> 01:27:13,596
report and if so

2714
01:27:18,513 --> 01:27:18,763
would we advise through a

2715
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:21,530
legislative act that we look at

2716
01:27:24,746 --> 01:27:24,996
case history from 2007 to

2717
01:27:28,746 --> 01:27:28,996
2027 or 29 to determine whether

2718
01:27:30,980 --> 01:27:31,230
or not there is an issue of

2719
01:27:32,846 --> 01:27:33,096
fidelity with the law or not

2720
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:36,730
cause that sounds like a real

2721
01:27:38,513 --> 01:27:38,763
good piece of legislation that

2722
01:27:39,213 --> 01:27:39,463
would probably give some

2723
01:27:41,213 --> 01:27:41,463
substantial history of

2724
01:27:44,780 --> 01:27:45,030
behavior internal reviews

2725
01:27:47,246 --> 01:27:47,496
responses when they were alerted

2726
01:27:49,346 --> 01:27:49,596
via a letter that wasn't an

2727
01:27:49,913 --> 01:27:50,163
audit

2728
01:27:56,513 --> 01:27:56,763
todd Peterson for the record

2729
01:28:01,013 --> 01:28:01,263
senator Neal uh'll I'll start

2730
01:28:02,746 --> 01:28:02,996
off I'll try and answer that

2731
01:28:04,746 --> 01:28:04,996
question the best I can, but

2732
01:28:06,513 --> 01:28:06,763
I'll start off with we're not

2733
01:28:08,513 --> 01:28:08,763
advocating for any additional

2734
01:28:09,380 --> 01:28:09,630
work we have quite a

2735
01:28:13,046 --> 01:28:13,296
quite a bit of work that's

2736
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:15,530
currently required of our office

2737
01:28:19,280 --> 01:28:19,530
this is an important issue

2738
01:28:22,513 --> 01:28:22,763
though the safety and wellbeing

2739
01:28:24,780 --> 01:28:25,030
of children and I think through

2740
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:25,730
statute there are entities

2741
01:28:30,780 --> 01:28:31,030
for exampledcFs that have the

2742
01:28:32,513 --> 01:28:32,763
authority and currently have the

2743
01:28:34,980 --> 01:28:35,230
responsibility to ensure the

2744
01:28:37,246 --> 01:28:37,496
safety of of the children in

2745
01:28:39,446 --> 01:28:39,696
Nevada we are a safety net

2746
01:28:43,013 --> 01:28:43,263
to help remind them and help

2747
01:28:46,513 --> 01:28:46,763
maybe bring some efficiencies

2748
01:28:47,346 --> 01:28:47,596
to the process and

2749
01:28:52,746 --> 01:28:52,996
but I would my recommendation

2750
01:28:55,113 --> 01:28:55,363
would be that the legislature

2751
01:28:59,113 --> 01:28:59,363
consider the issue and look at

2752
01:28:59,713 --> 01:28:59,963
how

2753
01:29:02,513 --> 01:29:02,763
they look at the current

2754
01:29:04,480 --> 01:29:04,730
processes that are in place how

2755
01:29:07,013 --> 01:29:07,263
they might be strengthened to

2756
01:29:09,446 --> 01:29:09,696
continue to ensure the safety

2757
01:29:10,146 --> 01:29:10,396
and welfare of children

2758
01:29:16,663 --> 01:29:16,913
and this is a comment here so I

2759
01:29:17,180 --> 01:29:17,430
would like to give you know the

2760
01:29:20,713 --> 01:29:20,963
legislative auditors a shout

2761
01:29:22,746 --> 01:29:22,996
out because I appreciate your

2762
01:29:23,446 --> 01:29:23,696
work. I know how much work you

2763
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:26,730
do. I want to give you like a

2764
01:29:27,213 --> 01:29:27,463
super shout out on the recent

2765
01:29:28,646 --> 01:29:28,896
education audits that you put

2766
01:29:29,313 --> 01:29:29,563
out

2767
01:29:29,646 --> 01:29:29,896
they were wonderful

2768
01:29:32,946 --> 01:29:33,196
they were so good that I was

2769
01:29:34,746 --> 01:29:34,996
just like this is this is night

2770
01:29:38,746 --> 01:29:38,996
reading to some popcorn. so

2771
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:40,730
thank you so much for the work

2772
01:29:41,213 --> 01:29:41,463
that you do and the level of

2773
01:29:43,246 --> 01:29:43,496
detail that you put in because I

2774
01:29:44,946 --> 01:29:45,196
am one of the people who look

2775
01:29:46,746 --> 01:29:46,996
forward to when you put these

2776
01:29:49,013 --> 01:29:49,263
audits out and how to

2777
01:29:50,746 --> 01:29:50,996
effectively use them in the

2778
01:29:52,913 --> 01:29:53,163
public space to better our

2779
01:29:53,546 --> 01:29:53,796
community

2780
01:29:53,813 --> 01:29:54,063
thank you

2781
01:29:59,213 --> 01:29:59,463
Next we will go to vicechair

2782
01:30:01,213 --> 01:30:01,463
please thank you chair I know

2783
01:30:03,213 --> 01:30:03,463
there was a lot already just

2784
01:30:04,980 --> 01:30:05,230
discussed and I know you said

2785
01:30:06,780 --> 01:30:07,030
you're focusing on process and

2786
01:30:08,746 --> 01:30:08,996
you're looking at the148 cases

2787
01:30:10,746 --> 01:30:10,996
that were there but what I was

2788
01:30:12,746 --> 01:30:12,996
wondering is when you are

2789
01:30:14,746 --> 01:30:14,996
looking at this and you're

2790
01:30:15,546 --> 01:30:15,796
considering the factors do

2791
01:30:16,146 --> 01:30:16,396
you ever incorporate

2792
01:30:18,713 --> 01:30:18,963
whether or not there's

2793
01:30:20,480 --> 01:30:20,730
sufficient staffing or case

2794
01:30:21,446 --> 01:30:21,696
loads as a factor to any of this

2795
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:22,930
that could be helpful to the

2796
01:30:23,346 --> 01:30:23,596
legislature.

2797
01:30:29,013 --> 01:30:29,263
Haley Cornelius Swift senior

2798
01:30:30,513 --> 01:30:30,763
child welfare specialist for the

2799
01:30:32,513 --> 01:30:32,763
record chair through you to

2800
01:30:36,480 --> 01:30:36,730
vicechaironsidine we complete a

2801
01:30:39,013 --> 01:30:39,263
process as established by a

2802
01:30:41,446 --> 01:30:41,696
manual where we review cases in

2803
01:30:44,480 --> 01:30:44,730
accordance with statewide policy

2804
01:30:47,246 --> 01:30:47,496
so our review is ensuring that

2805
01:30:50,746 --> 01:30:50,996
the caseworker at the supervisor

2806
01:30:51,480 --> 01:30:51,730
and anyone else involved in the

2807
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:53,530
case followed statewide policy

2808
01:30:54,613 --> 01:30:54,863
and that is the scope of our

2809
01:30:55,213 --> 01:30:55,463
review.

2810
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:04,730
members any additional questions

2811
01:31:05,313 --> 01:31:05,563
oh sorry something remember

2812
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:06,130
whenn please

2813
01:31:09,213 --> 01:31:09,463
thank you chair and thank you

2814
01:31:11,046 --> 01:31:11,296
for your work on this very

2815
01:31:11,613 --> 01:31:11,863
important topic

2816
01:31:13,246 --> 01:31:13,496
just sitting here just

2817
01:31:15,213 --> 01:31:15,463
calculating the math and it

2818
01:31:18,746 --> 01:31:18,996
seems to be you know obviously

2819
01:31:20,513 --> 01:31:20,763
these are the cases provided by

2820
01:31:21,246 --> 01:31:21,496
the different jurisdiction for

2821
01:31:24,813 --> 01:31:25,063
you to be able to review and

2822
01:31:25,480 --> 01:31:25,730
I know this is on an annual

2823
01:31:26,046 --> 01:31:26,296
basis

2824
01:31:29,246 --> 01:31:29,496
according to what you know my

2825
01:31:32,480 --> 01:31:32,730
colleague has said in terms

2826
01:31:34,746 --> 01:31:34,996
of having enough data for the

2827
01:31:35,413 --> 01:31:35,663
last 20 years to truly

2828
01:31:37,780 --> 01:31:38,030
see where the trends are

2829
01:31:41,246 --> 01:31:41,496
do you know off the top of

2830
01:31:44,480 --> 01:31:44,730
your head and you know I'll

2831
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:45,330
be happy to look at it offline

2832
01:31:46,513 --> 01:31:46,763
as well but do you know on top

2833
01:31:47,146 --> 01:31:47,396
of your head that these

2834
01:31:51,013 --> 01:31:51,263
concerns like you said6 this

2835
01:31:52,746 --> 01:31:52,996
year I'm not aware of the

2836
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:53,530
previous year numbers but

2837
01:31:56,946 --> 01:31:57,196
do you keep track as a

2838
01:32:01,213 --> 01:32:01,463
body of how many of these

2839
01:32:03,380 --> 01:32:03,630
instances are repetitive over

2840
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:04,330
the years

2841
01:32:08,746 --> 01:32:08,996
perhaps you know cause I I know

2842
01:32:10,746 --> 01:32:10,996
that you said that you are just

2843
01:32:13,013 --> 01:32:13,263
responsible for just reviewing

2844
01:32:15,213 --> 01:32:15,463
the the the facts based on the

2845
01:32:16,846 --> 01:32:17,096
policy and just

2846
01:32:21,046 --> 01:32:21,296
send a letter expressing your

2847
01:32:21,713 --> 01:32:21,963
concerns

2848
01:32:26,580 --> 01:32:26,830
but in terms of the repetitive

2849
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:27,630
repetitiveness nature of these

2850
01:32:28,046 --> 01:32:28,296
concerns

2851
01:32:30,746 --> 01:32:30,996
and I don't know the members

2852
01:32:31,380 --> 01:32:31,630
sitting right there on the dais

2853
01:32:32,780 --> 01:32:33,030
I don't know how long you've

2854
01:32:34,513 --> 01:32:34,763
been involved with this process

2855
01:32:36,746 --> 01:32:36,996
but have you seen in the last

2856
01:32:38,480 --> 01:32:38,730
for example5 years just to be

2857
01:32:40,746 --> 01:32:40,996
easy the last five years that

2858
01:32:43,380 --> 01:32:43,630
these concerns are in a

2859
01:32:43,913 --> 01:32:44,163
repetitive manner.

2860
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:54,730
Thank you for the question Haley

2861
01:32:55,180 --> 01:32:55,430
Cornelia swift senior child

2862
01:32:56,513 --> 01:32:56,763
welfare specialist for the

2863
01:32:58,513 --> 01:32:58,763
record chair through you to

2864
01:33:01,213 --> 01:33:01,463
assembly memberyynn we do have

2865
01:33:04,513 --> 01:33:04,763
information in our letter that

2866
01:33:06,746 --> 01:33:06,996
describes the deficiencies noted

2867
01:33:08,746 --> 01:33:08,996
there are footnotes next to the

2868
01:33:10,746 --> 01:33:10,996
ones that were previously

2869
01:33:13,013 --> 01:33:13,263
recorded in the prior year. I

2870
01:33:16,846 --> 01:33:17,096
will note that we have a

2871
01:33:20,746 --> 01:33:20,996
changed the way in which we have

2872
01:33:23,046 --> 01:33:23,296
published our information and so

2873
01:33:25,346 --> 01:33:25,596
we do not at this time have the

2874
01:33:26,013 --> 01:33:26,263
data

2875
01:33:30,713 --> 01:33:30,963
that would be provided on not

2876
01:33:32,980 --> 01:33:33,230
like a long term schedule we

2877
01:33:35,213 --> 01:33:35,463
do have information from last

2878
01:33:38,480 --> 01:33:38,730
year to this year and then when

2879
01:33:40,513 --> 01:33:40,763
we do review a case file, it's

2880
01:33:41,246 --> 01:33:41,496
important to note that while the

2881
01:33:42,980 --> 01:33:43,230
fatality or near fatality may

2882
01:33:44,746 --> 01:33:44,996
have happened in that calendar

2883
01:33:46,846 --> 01:33:47,096
year prior case history

2884
01:33:51,246 --> 01:33:51,496
can be as far as567 years back

2885
01:33:52,980 --> 01:33:53,230
and so if we already sent a

2886
01:33:55,480 --> 01:33:55,730
letter last year regarding a

2887
01:33:56,980 --> 01:33:57,230
similar concern we'll take a

2888
01:33:59,213 --> 01:33:59,463
look at that case to determine

2889
01:34:02,980 --> 01:34:03,230
if the time frames overlap

2890
01:34:04,913 --> 01:34:05,163
because we also don't want to

2891
01:34:08,513 --> 01:34:08,763
bring it to the attention of

2892
01:34:10,513 --> 01:34:10,763
the child welfare agency for

2893
01:34:11,246 --> 01:34:11,496
something that they did in the

2894
01:34:13,246 --> 01:34:13,496
past if they are working on

2895
01:34:16,746 --> 01:34:16,996
correcting it now and we

2896
01:34:17,346 --> 01:34:17,596
essentially don't want to

2897
01:34:22,746 --> 01:34:22,996
identify a deficiency twice

2898
01:34:23,446 --> 01:34:23,696
if they're in the process of

2899
01:34:24,013 --> 01:34:24,263
remediating it.

2900
01:34:24,980 --> 01:34:25,230
ol low up chair

2901
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:30,730
please thank you thank you for

2902
01:34:31,246 --> 01:34:31,496
that answer and I appreciate the

2903
01:34:33,246 --> 01:34:33,496
context because I think what I

2904
01:34:35,580 --> 01:34:35,830
really want to see in terms of

2905
01:34:36,246 --> 01:34:36,496
looking at

2906
01:34:37,580 --> 01:34:37,830
redefining the

2907
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:41,530
process if you will for the

2908
01:34:44,513 --> 01:34:44,763
intent of assembly bill 261 back

2909
01:34:46,513 --> 01:34:46,763
20 years ago in terms of making

2910
01:34:48,846 --> 01:34:49,096
sure that there is a bit of a

2911
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:53,030
I guess two way street in terms

2912
01:34:54,513 --> 01:34:54,763
of you providing the letter,

2913
01:34:56,513 --> 01:34:56,763
right you're providing the

2914
01:34:58,480 --> 01:34:58,730
findings is there I don't know

2915
01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:00,730
if it's in statute or not are

2916
01:35:02,980 --> 01:35:03,230
they required by statute to

2917
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:05,130
respond to you even though

2918
01:35:05,446 --> 01:35:05,696
you're not a

2919
01:35:08,746 --> 01:35:08,996
oversight body right when you

2920
01:35:10,513 --> 01:35:10,763
send that letter to the agencies

2921
01:35:11,346 --> 01:35:11,596
is there a

2922
01:35:16,746 --> 01:35:16,996
I guess timeline or maybe there

2923
01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:17,730
isn't one maybe we need to come

2924
01:35:20,746 --> 01:35:20,996
up with one that will respond

2925
01:35:23,380 --> 01:35:23,630
into what you are asking them to

2926
01:35:24,046 --> 01:35:24,296
do

2927
01:35:30,513 --> 01:35:30,763
todd Peterson for the record

2928
01:35:32,713 --> 01:35:32,963
through you chair to assembly

2929
01:35:33,380 --> 01:35:33,630
memberwyn

2930
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:36,730
their my understanding is

2931
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:38,730
there's no requirement in

2932
01:35:41,213 --> 01:35:41,463
statute for them to respond to

2933
01:35:43,213 --> 01:35:43,463
our requests they are

2934
01:35:46,713 --> 01:35:46,963
required to provide us the

2935
01:35:48,746 --> 01:35:48,996
case file once the it has been

2936
01:35:50,980 --> 01:35:51,230
identified that a child has

2937
01:35:53,013 --> 01:35:53,263
suffered a fatality or near

2938
01:35:55,180 --> 01:35:55,430
fatality and has had prior

2939
01:35:56,546 --> 01:35:56,796
history with the child welfare

2940
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:57,530
agency they are required to

2941
01:35:59,246 --> 01:35:59,496
provide us the case file for us

2942
01:36:02,546 --> 01:36:02,796
to review but as far as

2943
01:36:03,213 --> 01:36:03,463
answering or following up on our

2944
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:04,130
questions

2945
01:36:06,513 --> 01:36:06,763
I don't believe by statute

2946
01:36:07,246 --> 01:36:07,496
they're required to however, I

2947
01:36:10,746 --> 01:36:10,996
would note that we have good

2948
01:36:12,513 --> 01:36:12,763
relationships with the child

2949
01:36:14,546 --> 01:36:14,796
welfare agencies and they do

2950
01:36:16,980 --> 01:36:17,230
respond in a timely manner and

2951
01:36:18,713 --> 01:36:18,963
answer our questions and

2952
01:36:21,213 --> 01:36:21,463
oftentimes it's there's there's

2953
01:36:22,980 --> 01:36:23,230
follow up to our questions and

2954
01:36:25,146 --> 01:36:25,396
there's there's discussions so

2955
01:36:26,746 --> 01:36:26,996
that we can understand better

2956
01:36:28,513 --> 01:36:28,763
the cases and and the

2957
01:36:30,980 --> 01:36:31,230
circumstances behind the

2958
01:36:31,613 --> 01:36:31,863
incident that we are reviewing

2959
01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:38,730
Quick follow up chair please.

2960
01:36:40,513 --> 01:36:40,763
thank you Mr Pearson so just

2961
01:36:41,246 --> 01:36:41,496
following up on what you

2962
01:36:44,746 --> 01:36:44,996
presented earlier in terms of

2963
01:36:45,346 --> 01:36:45,596
comparing this particular

2964
01:36:47,246 --> 01:36:47,496
process to a regular standard

2965
01:36:49,213 --> 01:36:49,463
audit that you know the audit

2966
01:36:52,513 --> 01:36:52,763
division usually conduct would

2967
01:36:54,513 --> 01:36:54,763
you say that the current

2968
01:36:56,713 --> 01:36:56,963
requirements of this particular

2969
01:36:59,213 --> 01:36:59,463
statue versus the standard audit

2970
01:37:02,746 --> 01:37:02,996
process right? it's this kind

2971
01:37:03,546 --> 01:37:03,796
of like a two part out of the

2972
01:37:04,213 --> 01:37:04,463
usual10 parts

2973
01:37:06,713 --> 01:37:06,963
this is even scratching the

2974
01:37:08,713 --> 01:37:08,963
surface or you know we're

2975
01:37:10,513 --> 01:37:10,763
nowhere near it because I guess

2976
01:37:11,213 --> 01:37:11,463
where I'm going with that is

2977
01:37:13,246 --> 01:37:13,496
that if we meant if someone one

2978
01:37:16,513 --> 01:37:16,763
of us is gonna pick this up and

2979
01:37:18,980 --> 01:37:19,230
not giving you more work but

2980
01:37:21,446 --> 01:37:21,696
expand the scope of what this

2981
01:37:24,746 --> 01:37:24,996
group is already doing how many

2982
01:37:26,546 --> 01:37:26,796
are we further from it are we

2983
01:37:28,746 --> 01:37:28,996
close to it or like you know

2984
01:37:30,913 --> 01:37:31,163
where where we're going in terms

2985
01:37:31,613 --> 01:37:31,863
of giving the

2986
01:37:33,513 --> 01:37:33,763
expert

2987
01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:38,730
giving the expertise so that

2988
01:37:39,146 --> 01:37:39,396
we can do some good

2989
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:44,730
revision to the process so that

2990
01:37:47,080 --> 01:37:47,330
we may reduce these numbers and

2991
01:37:48,846 --> 01:37:49,096
hopefully eliminate them from

2992
01:37:49,546 --> 01:37:49,796
happening in the future

2993
01:37:53,213 --> 01:37:53,463
todd Peterson for the record

2994
01:37:56,513 --> 01:37:56,763
assembly memberwynn as far as

2995
01:37:58,980 --> 01:37:59,230
comparing this to a a standard

2996
01:38:01,213 --> 01:38:01,463
audit they're vastly

2997
01:38:04,713 --> 01:38:04,963
different in the in the

2998
01:38:05,213 --> 01:38:05,463
requirements and the

2999
01:38:09,046 --> 01:38:09,296
documentation that we're that we

3000
01:38:10,780 --> 01:38:11,030
maintain in the level of

3001
01:38:13,013 --> 01:38:13,263
evidence that we gather with

3002
01:38:15,246 --> 01:38:15,496
that said I don't want a

3003
01:38:17,480 --> 01:38:17,730
discount in any way our two

3004
01:38:19,346 --> 01:38:19,596
child welfare specialists who

3005
01:38:20,013 --> 01:38:20,263
who now review

3006
01:38:24,746 --> 01:38:24,996
these cases and and they have

3007
01:38:27,013 --> 01:38:27,263
extensive history in in child

3008
01:38:28,746 --> 01:38:28,996
welfare services they've

3009
01:38:31,246 --> 01:38:31,496
actually been caseworkers and

3010
01:38:33,213 --> 01:38:33,463
perform this work in prior

3011
01:38:36,513 --> 01:38:36,763
years so the level of expertise

3012
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:37,530
that they bring to reviewing

3013
01:38:40,513 --> 01:38:40,763
these cases is exceptional in my

3014
01:38:41,380 --> 01:38:41,630
opinion and so we we

3015
01:38:46,713 --> 01:38:46,963
we have the expertise they do a

3016
01:38:48,513 --> 01:38:48,763
a wonderful job reviewing the

3017
01:38:50,713 --> 01:38:50,963
cases coming to the

3018
01:38:54,513 --> 01:38:54,763
conclusions that we make and

3019
01:38:55,580 --> 01:38:55,830
then the child willlfare

3020
01:38:56,146 --> 01:38:56,396
agencies

3021
01:39:01,013 --> 01:39:01,263
respond well I I think it

3022
01:39:02,980 --> 01:39:03,230
would be important to ask for

3023
01:39:05,013 --> 01:39:05,263
some of the or to ask questions

3024
01:39:06,746 --> 01:39:06,996
of the child welfare agencies I

3025
01:39:08,746 --> 01:39:08,996
know they experience going back

3026
01:39:11,013 --> 01:39:11,263
to comments made earlier

3027
01:39:14,513 --> 01:39:14,763
about staffing the it's a

3028
01:39:17,013 --> 01:39:17,263
difficult job and they can speak

3029
01:39:19,246 --> 01:39:19,496
more to maybe turnover in

3030
01:39:22,746 --> 01:39:22,996
their staff and and what is

3031
01:39:24,513 --> 01:39:24,763
required at the agency and the

3032
01:39:26,513 --> 01:39:26,763
amount of training that they

3033
01:39:27,146 --> 01:39:27,396
have to do on a continual

3034
01:39:30,980 --> 01:39:31,230
basis because of turnover but

3035
01:39:33,446 --> 01:39:33,696
that I think that's why we see

3036
01:39:36,846 --> 01:39:37,096
some of the repeat findings

3037
01:39:41,013 --> 01:39:41,263
so as as far as what what our

3038
01:39:43,246 --> 01:39:43,496
office would need to do the job

3039
01:39:46,746 --> 01:39:46,996
better right I'm at a loss of

3040
01:39:48,746 --> 01:39:48,996
words I think we we have the

3041
01:39:50,980 --> 01:39:51,230
resources we don't make

3042
01:39:53,013 --> 01:39:53,263
recommendations but in our work

3043
01:39:55,246 --> 01:39:55,496
with the child welfare agencies

3044
01:39:56,713 --> 01:39:56,963
they are receptive

3045
01:40:00,713 --> 01:40:00,963
to the issues that we bring

3046
01:40:03,213 --> 01:40:03,463
up and they strive to resolve

3047
01:40:03,846 --> 01:40:04,096
them and and do better

3048
01:40:08,946 --> 01:40:09,196
thank you thank you for your

3049
01:40:11,213 --> 01:40:11,463
answers and I appreciate you and

3050
01:40:13,213 --> 01:40:13,463
the committee's work on this

3051
01:40:14,980 --> 01:40:15,230
as I know that this is a

3052
01:40:16,746 --> 01:40:16,996
difficult topic that requires a

3053
01:40:19,046 --> 01:40:19,296
lot of expertise and a lot of

3054
01:40:23,013 --> 01:40:23,263
knowledge so I I really

3055
01:40:24,746 --> 01:40:24,996
appreciate your work. thank you

3056
01:40:25,413 --> 01:40:25,663
chair for the indulgence

3057
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:28,930
thank you do we have any

3058
01:40:29,246 --> 01:40:29,496
additional questions?

3059
01:40:32,713 --> 01:40:32,963
and I do know that we have some

3060
01:40:33,346 --> 01:40:33,596
folks here that will be joining

3061
01:40:34,746 --> 01:40:34,996
us thank you again for joining

3062
01:40:37,013 --> 01:40:37,263
us in carson cityity and next

3063
01:40:38,546 --> 01:40:38,796
we'll move over to the folklin

3064
01:40:39,146 --> 01:40:39,396
division of child and

3065
01:40:40,780 --> 01:40:41,030
familymiervices department of

3066
01:40:42,780 --> 01:40:43,030
humanmanervices and the

3067
01:40:43,313 --> 01:40:43,563
representative of the department

3068
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:44,330
of Familyervices for our county.

3069
01:40:47,813 --> 01:40:48,063
good afternoon and welcome thank

3070
01:40:48,513 --> 01:40:48,763
you for joining us.

3071
01:40:52,546 --> 01:40:52,796
and feel free to jump in

3072
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:53,530
wherever you would like in the

3073
01:40:54,746 --> 01:40:54,996
conversation whether it's

3074
01:40:56,480 --> 01:40:56,730
prepared remarks or if there's

3075
01:40:57,213 --> 01:40:57,463
specific questions that have

3076
01:40:58,813 --> 01:40:59,063
been brought up that you'd love

3077
01:40:59,480 --> 01:40:59,730
to address however

3078
01:41:05,246 --> 01:41:05,496
good afternoon chair vicechair

3079
01:41:06,780 --> 01:41:07,030
and members of the committee my

3080
01:41:09,013 --> 01:41:09,263
name iskimberly Abbott A B B Ot

3081
01:41:11,013 --> 01:41:11,263
T and I serve as the

3082
01:41:12,980 --> 01:41:13,230
administrator of the division of

3083
01:41:15,246 --> 01:41:15,496
child and Familyervices along

3084
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:17,530
with me I have our child welfare

3085
01:41:20,513 --> 01:41:20,763
director here in Clark County

3086
01:41:22,780 --> 01:41:23,030
Stacy Dastrop also up in

3087
01:41:24,513 --> 01:41:24,763
carson cityity I believe we have

3088
01:41:26,513 --> 01:41:26,763
Ryangustafson the assistant

3089
01:41:28,513 --> 01:41:28,763
county manager in Washoe as well

3090
01:41:30,513 --> 01:41:30,763
as Pamela Mann their

3091
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:31,630
director of of child welfare in

3092
01:41:32,046 --> 01:41:32,296
Washoe

3093
01:41:35,513 --> 01:41:35,763
so I will start and and then

3094
01:41:37,046 --> 01:41:37,296
defer to my colleagues to add

3095
01:41:40,513 --> 01:41:40,763
as well if that's OK. first

3096
01:41:41,246 --> 01:41:41,496
of all we appreciate the work of

3097
01:41:43,313 --> 01:41:43,563
the audit committee continuous

3098
01:41:45,280 --> 01:41:45,530
quality improvement is a

3099
01:41:47,480 --> 01:41:47,730
critical component of the work

3100
01:41:49,246 --> 01:41:49,496
that we do always striving to

3101
01:41:50,980 --> 01:41:51,230
improve the services we provide

3102
01:41:53,013 --> 01:41:53,263
to children and families. We

3103
01:41:54,746 --> 01:41:54,996
take the concerns and the

3104
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:56,730
recommendations of the audit

3105
01:41:58,480 --> 01:41:58,730
committee very seriously and

3106
01:41:59,213 --> 01:41:59,463
they provide us additional

3107
01:42:01,313 --> 01:42:01,563
opportunities to review our work

3108
01:42:01,980 --> 01:42:02,230
and make necessary ad

3109
01:42:03,613 --> 01:42:03,863
ju s t ment s

3110
01:42:07,013 --> 01:42:07,263
this is never more critical or

3111
01:42:09,313 --> 01:42:09,563
crucial than in response to such

3112
01:42:11,246 --> 01:42:11,496
devastating outcomes as the ones

3113
01:42:12,846 --> 01:42:13,096
that are reviewed in this audit

3114
01:42:16,713 --> 01:42:16,963
Upon receipt of the

3115
01:42:18,713 --> 01:42:18,963
committee's letter to each of

3116
01:42:21,480 --> 01:42:21,730
the agencies we then respond

3117
01:42:22,046 --> 01:42:22,296
and

3118
01:42:26,746 --> 01:42:26,996
while I understand the concern

3119
01:42:28,713 --> 01:42:28,963
and the discussion about the

3120
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:30,730
fact that the audit committee

3121
01:42:32,546 --> 01:42:32,796
may not have the ability to put

3122
01:42:34,513 --> 01:42:34,763
us on corrective action plans

3123
01:42:36,780 --> 01:42:37,030
I would suggest to you we treat

3124
01:42:38,746 --> 01:42:38,996
it as if we're being put on

3125
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:40,730
corrective action plans we

3126
01:42:42,713 --> 01:42:42,963
respond to each of the

3127
01:42:44,946 --> 01:42:45,196
concerns and we write back to

3128
01:42:46,513 --> 01:42:46,763
explain what actions we are

3129
01:42:48,980 --> 01:42:49,230
taking to address those and

3130
01:42:52,946 --> 01:42:53,196
so specifically in the

3131
01:42:53,513 --> 01:42:53,763
letter thatdcFs

3132
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:55,530
received and we received that on

3133
01:42:57,246 --> 01:42:57,496
behalf of the rural region

3134
01:42:59,246 --> 01:42:59,496
which we operate there were a

3135
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:01,230
number of concerns our

3136
01:43:02,746 --> 01:43:02,996
leadership team gathered and

3137
01:43:03,513 --> 01:43:03,763
thoroughly reviewed that case

3138
01:43:05,246 --> 01:43:05,496
file in our instance it was one

3139
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:07,530
case in the rurals we reviewed

3140
01:43:10,513 --> 01:43:10,763
that case file and candidly

3141
01:43:12,513 --> 01:43:12,763
we agreed with the concerns of

3142
01:43:13,246 --> 01:43:13,496
the auditors that there were

3143
01:43:14,980 --> 01:43:15,230
concerns about policies being

3144
01:43:17,246 --> 01:43:17,496
followed to fidelity and

3145
01:43:18,980 --> 01:43:19,230
that was the response that we

3146
01:43:20,713 --> 01:43:20,963
provided to the audit

3147
01:43:22,546 --> 01:43:22,796
committee and in response to

3148
01:43:23,213 --> 01:43:23,463
that in the letter

3149
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:27,530
we identified the different

3150
01:43:28,980 --> 01:43:29,230
steps we would be taking to

3151
01:43:31,246 --> 01:43:31,496
ensure it really often comes

3152
01:43:33,246 --> 01:43:33,496
down to ensuring staff is fully

3153
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:35,530
complying with the policies that

3154
01:43:37,213 --> 01:43:37,463
are in place and and

3155
01:43:38,780 --> 01:43:39,030
occasionally they're being

3156
01:43:39,413 --> 01:43:39,663
concerns that there are missteps

3157
01:43:41,013 --> 01:43:41,263
or things that that weren't

3158
01:43:42,980 --> 01:43:43,230
followed through on infidelity

3159
01:43:46,513 --> 01:43:46,763
to policy and so

3160
01:43:48,713 --> 01:43:48,963
specifically on the uhdcFs side

3161
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:50,730
and the particular case that was

3162
01:43:51,346 --> 01:43:51,596
addressed there were concerns

3163
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:53,930
about

3164
01:44:01,013 --> 01:44:01,263
how we're gathering sufficient

3165
01:44:02,746 --> 01:44:02,996
information during our

3166
01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:04,730
investigation and whether

3167
01:44:06,713 --> 01:44:06,963
that is thorough enough in

3168
01:44:07,446 --> 01:44:07,696
response to the concerns that

3169
01:44:10,513 --> 01:44:10,763
were raised we did a memo that

3170
01:44:12,513 --> 01:44:12,763
was distributed in July to all

3171
01:44:13,246 --> 01:44:13,496
of our staff working in this

3172
01:44:16,746 --> 01:44:16,996
area outlining expectations we

3173
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:18,730
have continued since that time

3174
01:44:20,513 --> 01:44:20,763
to have ongoing conversations

3175
01:44:22,780 --> 01:44:23,030
and coaching to reinforce those

3176
01:44:25,013 --> 01:44:25,263
expectations and there was

3177
01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:27,630
also concerns raised about

3178
01:44:27,946 --> 01:44:28,196
response

3179
01:44:30,746 --> 01:44:30,996
times, appropriate response

3180
01:44:32,780 --> 01:44:33,030
times we have been and will

3181
01:44:34,480 --> 01:44:34,730
continue to monitor response

3182
01:44:36,480 --> 01:44:36,730
times, making adjustments as

3183
01:44:37,480 --> 01:44:37,730
necessary those are reviewed

3184
01:44:40,780 --> 01:44:41,030
by our familygras office as well

3185
01:44:43,013 --> 01:44:43,263
as our internal quality

3186
01:44:45,246 --> 01:44:45,496
and assurance team we have

3187
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:47,530
continued to see upward trends

3188
01:44:49,246 --> 01:44:49,496
improving in our compliance

3189
01:44:50,780 --> 01:44:51,030
with those response times since

3190
01:44:52,546 --> 01:44:52,796
we began this extensive

3191
01:44:53,313 --> 01:44:53,563
monitoring and we will continue

3192
01:44:54,746 --> 01:44:54,996
to do so

3193
01:44:58,746 --> 01:44:58,996
we also finalized an updated

3194
01:45:01,280 --> 01:45:01,530
procedure specifically in how

3195
01:45:03,046 --> 01:45:03,296
we respond to substantiations

3196
01:45:04,846 --> 01:45:05,096
when it comes to substance

3197
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:07,530
exposed infants those cases

3198
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:09,530
can be quite challenging because

3199
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:11,530
there is federal law saying we

3200
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:13,330
can't substantiate simply on the

3201
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:15,330
basis of the substance exposure

3202
01:45:16,780 --> 01:45:17,030
we have to do further

3203
01:45:19,013 --> 01:45:19,263
evaluations to look at the nexus

3204
01:45:22,546 --> 01:45:22,796
to any abuse or neglect and so

3205
01:45:24,546 --> 01:45:24,796
we have fol finalized some

3206
01:45:25,113 --> 01:45:25,363
procedures internally and are

3207
01:45:25,713 --> 01:45:25,963
working

3208
01:45:27,380 --> 01:45:27,630
to make sure they're

3209
01:45:30,746 --> 01:45:30,996
how we implement those is

3210
01:45:32,713 --> 01:45:32,963
aligned with with expectations

3211
01:45:36,480 --> 01:45:36,730
so we in sum we we believe

3212
01:45:37,446 --> 01:45:37,696
that we have responded to the

3213
01:45:38,980 --> 01:45:39,230
audit committee's concerns and

3214
01:45:40,780 --> 01:45:41,030
we will continue to monitor

3215
01:45:43,246 --> 01:45:43,496
compliance and reinforce those

3216
01:45:45,246 --> 01:45:45,496
expectations I know our

3217
01:45:47,013 --> 01:45:47,263
county child welfare agencies

3218
01:45:48,980 --> 01:45:49,230
have undertaken similar

3219
01:45:51,013 --> 01:45:51,263
improvement activities and in

3220
01:45:52,746 --> 01:45:52,996
response you know in response to

3221
01:45:54,513 --> 01:45:54,763
the concerns that they received

3222
01:45:56,513 --> 01:45:56,763
so I will turn it over to them

3223
01:45:57,380 --> 01:45:57,630
in just a minute I think the

3224
01:45:58,046 --> 01:45:58,296
only other thing I would

3225
01:46:00,980 --> 01:46:01,230
highlight in light of the

3226
01:46:02,746 --> 01:46:02,996
discussion that was that was

3227
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:04,730
occurring with the audit

3228
01:46:06,713 --> 01:46:06,963
committee members about them

3229
01:46:09,013 --> 01:46:09,263
not having the full audit

3230
01:46:11,046 --> 01:46:11,296
requirements as they do in other

3231
01:46:13,013 --> 01:46:13,263
instances. I will just point out

3232
01:46:14,746 --> 01:46:14,996
that there is an entire

3233
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:18,730
statutory scheme in432b for

3234
01:46:20,746 --> 01:46:20,996
reviewing child death cases

3235
01:46:22,546 --> 01:46:22,796
there are local

3236
01:46:24,513 --> 01:46:24,763
multidisciplinary teams that

3237
01:46:26,513 --> 01:46:26,763
review these cases and then they

3238
01:46:27,346 --> 01:46:27,596
report up through a statewide

3239
01:46:28,013 --> 01:46:28,263
executive

3240
01:46:30,780 --> 01:46:31,030
committee on child death review

3241
01:46:36,480 --> 01:46:36,730
so Nrs for432B.403 through.4095

3242
01:46:37,413 --> 01:46:37,663
outlines that very detailed

3243
01:46:40,513 --> 01:46:40,763
process so when when we have

3244
01:46:42,713 --> 01:46:42,963
these most horrific outcomes in

3245
01:46:44,746 --> 01:46:44,996
some of these cases there is

3246
01:46:46,746 --> 01:46:46,996
an entire statutory process in

3247
01:46:49,180 --> 01:46:49,430
place to review those situations

3248
01:46:50,980 --> 01:46:51,230
specifically to look at things

3249
01:46:52,513 --> 01:46:52,763
that we could have done better

3250
01:46:54,546 --> 01:46:54,796
and to make recommendations on

3251
01:46:56,980 --> 01:46:57,230
future policy changes and

3252
01:46:57,580 --> 01:46:57,830
that executive committee has the

3253
01:47:00,813 --> 01:47:01,063
ability to make recommendations

3254
01:47:02,513 --> 01:47:02,763
to other bodies, write letters

3255
01:47:04,513 --> 01:47:04,763
to other community partners do

3256
01:47:07,013 --> 01:47:07,263
other things to help change

3257
01:47:09,246 --> 01:47:09,496
outcomes in the future. so

3258
01:47:10,746 --> 01:47:10,996
I did want to point out that

3259
01:47:13,246 --> 01:47:13,496
that exists and why I will not

3260
01:47:15,246 --> 01:47:15,496
pretend to know why the

3261
01:47:17,213 --> 01:47:17,463
legislature made past decisions

3262
01:47:19,480 --> 01:47:19,730
that made my I suspect the fact

3263
01:47:21,046 --> 01:47:21,296
that there already was this

3264
01:47:23,046 --> 01:47:23,296
whole statutory me mechanism in

3265
01:47:25,046 --> 01:47:25,296
place might have something to do

3266
01:47:27,046 --> 01:47:27,296
with sort of the level of

3267
01:47:27,580 --> 01:47:27,830
capacity of the the audit that's

3268
01:47:30,746 --> 01:47:30,996
that's required pursuant to the

3269
01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:33,230
statute so with that I will

3270
01:47:34,680 --> 01:47:34,930
turn it over to my community

3271
01:47:35,346 --> 01:47:35,596
partners and all

3272
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:42,730
good afternoon chair and

3273
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:44,730
committee members I just want

3274
01:47:45,213 --> 01:47:45,463
to start and say that we do

3275
01:47:47,146 --> 01:47:47,396
appreciate that the legislative

3276
01:47:49,213 --> 01:47:49,463
auditor bringing these cases and

3277
01:47:50,980 --> 01:47:51,230
concerns to us we do take them

3278
01:47:54,480 --> 01:47:54,730
seriously and I I would echo

3279
01:47:56,480 --> 01:47:56,730
a lot that Miss Abbott said so I

3280
01:47:57,180 --> 01:47:57,430
will touch on some of the

3281
01:47:59,180 --> 01:47:59,430
questions that you had about

3282
01:48:00,946 --> 01:48:01,196
specifically about our own

3283
01:48:02,980 --> 01:48:03,230
internal reviews so we have

3284
01:48:05,013 --> 01:48:05,263
acQI team that will review any

3285
01:48:06,780 --> 01:48:07,030
of these cases that come to us

3286
01:48:08,746 --> 01:48:08,996
and then we also have a contract

3287
01:48:09,413 --> 01:48:09,663
with a specialist that reviews

3288
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:10,330
the cases as

3289
01:48:13,180 --> 01:48:13,430
well and thendcFs also reviews

3290
01:48:15,180 --> 01:48:15,430
the cases so we really do have a

3291
01:48:16,746 --> 01:48:16,996
lot of people reviewing the

3292
01:48:19,146 --> 01:48:19,396
cases and we too found this the

3293
01:48:20,713 --> 01:48:20,963
same issues with the cases that

3294
01:48:22,946 --> 01:48:23,196
were reviewed so even before we

3295
01:48:24,513 --> 01:48:24,763
received the letter from the

3296
01:48:26,480 --> 01:48:26,730
auditors we had put things in

3297
01:48:28,946 --> 01:48:29,196
place we had said put in an

3298
01:48:30,946 --> 01:48:31,196
extensive training for our

3299
01:48:32,746 --> 01:48:32,996
supervisors so this year every

3300
01:48:34,946 --> 01:48:35,196
supervisor had to take 2 weeks

3301
01:48:36,946 --> 01:48:37,196
of training to reinforce our

3302
01:48:39,313 --> 01:48:39,563
safety model that we use and

3303
01:48:39,980 --> 01:48:40,230
which includes the coaching

3304
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:42,330
and then

3305
01:48:45,213 --> 01:48:45,463
assessment and in critical

3306
01:48:46,946 --> 01:48:47,196
decision making on these cases

3307
01:48:48,813 --> 01:48:49,063
that we do come to every day.

3308
01:48:52,713 --> 01:48:52,963
you know and we don't want our

3309
01:48:54,746 --> 01:48:54,996
our training to be just a 11

3310
01:48:56,513 --> 01:48:56,763
practice we want it to make sure

3311
01:48:58,746 --> 01:48:58,996
that it is involved in everyday

3312
01:49:00,480 --> 01:49:00,730
work and so we also had our

3313
01:49:02,480 --> 01:49:02,730
staff doing refreshers as well

3314
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:03,430
on on the training model and

3315
01:49:05,146 --> 01:49:05,396
that was that was mandatory too

3316
01:49:06,746 --> 01:49:06,996
so we so we do take this

3317
01:49:08,746 --> 01:49:08,996
seriously and we do appreciate

3318
01:49:10,746 --> 01:49:10,996
their review and we'll continue

3319
01:49:11,613 --> 01:49:11,863
to use the findings to

3320
01:49:12,046 --> 01:49:12,296
strengthen our practice.

3321
01:49:22,946 --> 01:49:23,196
Good afternoonchefflores. this

3322
01:49:24,946 --> 01:49:25,196
is Pamela mann for the record P

3323
01:49:27,213 --> 01:49:27,463
Am El A M A N N. I am the

3324
01:49:28,713 --> 01:49:28,963
director of the washoe County

3325
01:49:30,746 --> 01:49:30,996
Humanservicesaggency. thank you

3326
01:49:32,746 --> 01:49:32,996
for your opportunity to speak

3327
01:49:35,013 --> 01:49:35,263
today. we here in was we echo

3328
01:49:36,746 --> 01:49:36,996
many of the comments that

3329
01:49:38,980 --> 01:49:39,230
administrator Abbott made and

3330
01:49:41,180 --> 01:49:41,430
also want to acknowledge that

3331
01:49:41,846 --> 01:49:42,096
every child fatality is

3332
01:49:44,746 --> 01:49:44,996
is a tragedy or near fatality

3333
01:49:46,946 --> 01:49:47,196
is a tragedy and each carries

3334
01:49:48,746 --> 01:49:48,996
with it a responsibility to

3335
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:50,730
examine our work and learn from

3336
01:49:51,180 --> 01:49:51,430
what occurred and then use what

3337
01:49:52,513 --> 01:49:52,763
we learned to make meaningful

3338
01:49:54,713 --> 01:49:54,963
changes. We appreciate the

3339
01:49:56,513 --> 01:49:56,763
committee's continued attention

3340
01:49:57,213 --> 01:49:57,463
to the safety and wellbeing of

3341
01:49:59,146 --> 01:49:59,396
Nevada's children and as well as

3342
01:50:00,680 --> 01:50:00,930
the legislative auditor's

3343
01:50:02,980 --> 01:50:03,230
thorough review and the

3344
01:50:04,513 --> 01:50:04,763
collaborative manner manner in

3345
01:50:06,746 --> 01:50:06,996
which we work together. The

3346
01:50:08,513 --> 01:50:08,763
process gives all of us an

3347
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:10,730
important opportunity to learn

3348
01:50:11,146 --> 01:50:11,396
and improve and strengthen the

3349
01:50:11,813 --> 01:50:12,063
systems that

3350
01:50:12,846 --> 01:50:13,096
serve our children and families

3351
01:50:16,946 --> 01:50:17,196
Washoenny also has many of the

3352
01:50:19,013 --> 01:50:19,263
extensive trainings mentioned by

3353
01:50:22,513 --> 01:50:22,763
my colleagues today and we use

3354
01:50:23,146 --> 01:50:23,396
these review processes to

3355
01:50:25,213 --> 01:50:25,463
provide valuable feedback that

3356
01:50:27,213 --> 01:50:27,463
strengthens our practice and

3357
01:50:28,746 --> 01:50:28,996
focuses our training and

3358
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:30,730
supervisory efforts. we've

3359
01:50:31,246 --> 01:50:31,496
also used this information to

3360
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:33,530
reinforce comprehensive

3361
01:50:34,980 --> 01:50:35,230
information gathering and safety

3362
01:50:37,013 --> 01:50:37,263
assessment procedures to

3363
01:50:38,746 --> 01:50:38,996
strengthen our documentation and

3364
01:50:41,446 --> 01:50:41,696
supervisory reviews and to help

3365
01:50:42,846 --> 01:50:43,096
develop practical tools that

3366
01:50:43,446 --> 01:50:43,696
allow

3367
01:50:47,213 --> 01:50:47,463
staff to consistently understand

3368
01:50:48,713 --> 01:50:48,963
and apply statewide policies

3369
01:50:52,713 --> 01:50:52,963
in addition we have used a great

3370
01:50:54,513 --> 01:50:54,763
deal of this feedback to help us

3371
01:50:55,213 --> 01:50:55,463
invest in the prevention and

3372
01:50:56,946 --> 01:50:57,196
intervention of services

3373
01:50:58,480 --> 01:50:58,730
designed to better support

3374
01:50:59,046 --> 01:50:59,296
children and families before

3375
01:50:59,680 --> 01:50:59,930
circumstances escalate.

3376
01:51:02,980 --> 01:51:03,230
we appreciate your leadership

3377
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:04,730
and partnership in these

3378
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:06,730
difficult conversations and

3379
01:51:07,113 --> 01:51:07,363
remain available to answer

3380
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:07,930
questions as well.

3381
01:51:12,513 --> 01:51:12,763
and thank you all three of you

3382
01:51:13,246 --> 01:51:13,496
for joining us today and along

3383
01:51:14,946 --> 01:51:15,196
with the other folk that I

3384
01:51:16,713 --> 01:51:16,963
know you represent and are all

3385
01:51:18,946 --> 01:51:19,196
working very diligently we'll

3386
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:20,930
start off with senator neal

3387
01:51:26,513 --> 01:51:26,763
Thank you chairir. so in terms

3388
01:51:27,180 --> 01:51:27,430
of the training that you're

3389
01:51:29,313 --> 01:51:29,563
doing so I was looking at where

3390
01:51:29,980 --> 01:51:30,230
the footnotes were

3391
01:51:33,546 --> 01:51:33,796
so there was a footnote for

3392
01:51:38,480 --> 01:51:38,730
allegation decision that did not

3393
01:51:40,946 --> 01:51:41,196
adequately reflect the

3394
01:51:42,980 --> 01:51:43,230
significant evidence discovered

3395
01:51:45,213 --> 01:51:45,463
so the footnote indicates a

3396
01:51:47,213 --> 01:51:47,463
similar concerns were noted in

3397
01:51:49,246 --> 01:51:49,496
the review case files from

3398
01:51:51,413 --> 01:51:51,663
January to December 2024.

3399
01:51:55,180 --> 01:51:55,430
so what kind of training are you

3400
01:51:58,480 --> 01:51:58,730
doing with staff in order for

3401
01:52:01,380 --> 01:52:01,630
them to recognize the kind of

3402
01:52:04,480 --> 01:52:04,730
evidence that they should put in

3403
01:52:06,713 --> 01:52:06,963
the case file or that they

3404
01:52:07,546 --> 01:52:07,796
should review and take seriously

3405
01:52:14,746 --> 01:52:14,996
kimberly Abbottt for the record

3406
01:52:17,246 --> 01:52:17,496
I can thank you for the

3407
01:52:18,980 --> 01:52:19,230
question. I can tell you

3408
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:21,530
thatdcFS maintains an ongoing

3409
01:52:23,013 --> 01:52:23,263
con contract with national

3410
01:52:26,546 --> 01:52:26,796
Safety experts action for

3411
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:27,530
childrenldrentection, action for

3412
01:52:29,013 --> 01:52:29,263
childldtection I apologize.

3413
01:52:30,780 --> 01:52:31,030
there are a couple of different

3414
01:52:31,513 --> 01:52:31,763
safety models that are used

3415
01:52:32,980 --> 01:52:33,230
throughout the nation and those

3416
01:52:35,246 --> 01:52:35,496
safety models have expert

3417
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:37,530
trainers that come and put on

3418
01:52:40,546 --> 01:52:40,796
those trainings so they do

3419
01:52:41,113 --> 01:52:41,363
continuous training in these

3420
01:52:41,713 --> 01:52:41,963
safety models

3421
01:52:44,513 --> 01:52:44,763
and and also consultative

3422
01:52:48,480 --> 01:52:48,730
supervision this work is

3423
01:52:50,513 --> 01:52:50,763
intended to enhance the skills

3424
01:52:51,513 --> 01:52:51,763
that our staff have in gathering

3425
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:53,530
sufficient information accu

3426
01:52:55,246 --> 01:52:55,496
accurately identifying caregiver

3427
01:52:57,280 --> 01:52:57,530
protective capacities impending

3428
01:52:59,246 --> 01:52:59,496
dangers and determining child

3429
01:53:02,480 --> 01:53:02,730
safety. so we are committed to

3430
01:53:03,480 --> 01:53:03,730
continuing to enhance staff's

3431
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:07,530
expertise in this model and

3432
01:53:10,513 --> 01:53:10,763
you know it does take some time

3433
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:11,430
for staff to reach proficiency

3434
01:53:11,846 --> 01:53:12,096
in this

3435
01:53:14,980 --> 01:53:15,230
model and the turnover that

3436
01:53:16,713 --> 01:53:16,963
was mentioned can be

3437
01:53:18,713 --> 01:53:18,963
problematic as as we work to

3438
01:53:20,746 --> 01:53:20,996
ensure that our staff have

3439
01:53:21,480 --> 01:53:21,730
that adequate level of training

3440
01:53:24,513 --> 01:53:24,763
but we continue to work with

3441
01:53:26,513 --> 01:53:26,763
the national experts who are

3442
01:53:27,113 --> 01:53:27,363
available to do this training

3443
01:53:28,946 --> 01:53:29,196
for our staff and I don't know

3444
01:53:30,680 --> 01:53:30,930
if any of my colleagues have

3445
01:53:31,246 --> 01:53:31,496
anything else to add.

3446
01:53:43,013 --> 01:53:43,263
please follow it

3447
01:53:43,346 --> 01:53:43,596
please follow us

3448
01:53:45,413 --> 01:53:45,663
it was it was just open silence

3449
01:53:46,880 --> 01:53:47,130
so

3450
01:53:48,846 --> 01:53:49,096
with the ha I mean

3451
01:53:51,346 --> 01:53:51,596
so how long does it take for

3452
01:53:54,513 --> 01:53:54,763
them to be proficient? Is there

3453
01:53:55,246 --> 01:53:55,496
something that the legislature

3454
01:53:56,980 --> 01:53:57,230
can do when you talk about high

3455
01:53:59,380 --> 01:53:59,630
turnover of staff in this

3456
01:53:59,946 --> 01:54:00,196
particular area

3457
01:54:04,813 --> 01:54:05,063
what is it that is creating the

3458
01:54:05,480 --> 01:54:05,730
high turnover

3459
01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:12,730
Stacy Dastrip for the record

3460
01:54:15,246 --> 01:54:15,496
the the job is hard it's hard to

3461
01:54:17,013 --> 01:54:17,263
to deal with with families on

3462
01:54:18,780 --> 01:54:19,030
the worst day of their life and

3463
01:54:20,513 --> 01:54:20,763
make that determination if kids

3464
01:54:22,513 --> 01:54:22,763
are safe or unsafe. it's a

3465
01:54:23,313 --> 01:54:23,563
difficult there's a lot of

3466
01:54:26,513 --> 01:54:26,763
compassion fatigue we have

3467
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:28,730
been we hold about four

3468
01:54:29,513 --> 01:54:29,763
academies a year and the

3469
01:54:32,880 --> 01:54:33,130
academies are1 to12 weeks long

3470
01:54:33,546 --> 01:54:33,796
and

3471
01:54:36,513 --> 01:54:36,763
to become proficient in the

3472
01:54:38,513 --> 01:54:38,763
model probably takes about three

3473
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:40,730
years to have a complete

3474
01:54:42,513 --> 01:54:42,763
understanding and be completely

3475
01:54:43,246 --> 01:54:43,496
comfortable with it but right

3476
01:54:44,980 --> 01:54:45,230
now at clark County

3477
01:54:47,246 --> 01:54:47,496
Familyervices we don't have very

3478
01:54:49,013 --> 01:54:49,263
many senior staff anymore we're

3479
01:54:50,746 --> 01:54:50,996
probably right around that

3480
01:54:52,513 --> 01:54:52,763
threeyear mark if we were to

3481
01:54:53,113 --> 01:54:53,363
average how long people have

3482
01:54:54,980 --> 01:54:55,230
been here. it's just it's a very

3483
01:54:57,346 --> 01:54:57,596
hard job and to do it everyday

3484
01:54:58,013 --> 01:54:58,263
and

3485
01:55:01,013 --> 01:55:01,263
you know just dealing with

3486
01:55:02,846 --> 01:55:03,096
people on the on the lowest time

3487
01:55:03,513 --> 01:55:03,763
of their life

3488
01:55:08,546 --> 01:55:08,796
so do we have anything in place

3489
01:55:09,246 --> 01:55:09,496
at the clark countunty level? I

3490
01:55:11,013 --> 01:55:11,263
mean I know we we've had this

3491
01:55:12,746 --> 01:55:12,996
discussion in this committee on

3492
01:55:14,546 --> 01:55:14,796
government affairs where we've

3493
01:55:15,246 --> 01:55:15,496
talked about you know peer to

3494
01:55:17,213 --> 01:55:17,463
peer support within the

3495
01:55:19,513 --> 01:55:19,763
responder community what is the

3496
01:55:23,046 --> 01:55:23,296
peer to peer support for this

3497
01:55:25,313 --> 01:55:25,563
particular role, how how do we

3498
01:55:27,013 --> 01:55:27,263
deal with the mental health

3499
01:55:29,013 --> 01:55:29,263
issues? how do we deal with the

3500
01:55:30,813 --> 01:55:31,063
compassion fatigue? what is it

3501
01:55:33,046 --> 01:55:33,296
that's in place so you know I

3502
01:55:34,680 --> 01:55:34,930
could see you know constantly

3503
01:55:35,346 --> 01:55:35,596
having to

3504
01:55:39,046 --> 01:55:39,296
you know deal with a a certain

3505
01:55:40,746 --> 01:55:40,996
level of imagery or you know

3506
01:55:43,180 --> 01:55:43,430
being inundated emotionally but

3507
01:55:47,013 --> 01:55:47,263
what's the backstop? what do we

3508
01:55:48,813 --> 01:55:49,063
have in place or has there never

3509
01:55:49,546 --> 01:55:49,796
been anything in

3510
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:54,730
Stacydastrip for the record

3511
01:55:56,746 --> 01:55:56,996
thank you for that question.

3512
01:55:58,746 --> 01:55:58,996
within our county we do have

3513
01:56:00,780 --> 01:56:01,030
different resources that they

3514
01:56:02,513 --> 01:56:02,763
can use that the staff have

3515
01:56:04,513 --> 01:56:04,763
access to and we also have

3516
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:06,730
what we call a stat team that is

3517
01:56:09,213 --> 01:56:09,463
a committee of our own own

3518
01:56:11,213 --> 01:56:11,463
employees that the staff have

3519
01:56:13,013 --> 01:56:13,263
access to with they understand

3520
01:56:14,746 --> 01:56:14,996
because not everybody

3521
01:56:16,980 --> 01:56:17,230
understands what goes on and so

3522
01:56:18,980 --> 01:56:19,230
and sometimes makes it a little

3523
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:21,330
bit easier if you can talk to

3524
01:56:21,780 --> 01:56:22,030
somebody that knows what you

3525
01:56:24,513 --> 01:56:24,763
' re going through and then we

3526
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:26,730
do try to to build morale we'll

3527
01:56:28,480 --> 01:56:28,730
do different you know

3528
01:56:29,413 --> 01:56:29,663
different events you know

3529
01:56:32,513 --> 01:56:32,763
highlight people different kudos

3530
01:56:34,980 --> 01:56:35,230
try to give incentive hours

3531
01:56:36,713 --> 01:56:36,963
we just we try to do as much as

3532
01:56:37,380 --> 01:56:37,630
we can to keep the people that

3533
01:56:38,046 --> 01:56:38,296
we can

3534
01:56:47,346 --> 01:56:47,596
m emb ers any additional

3535
01:56:47,880 --> 01:56:48,130
questions

3536
01:56:51,680 --> 01:56:51,930
somely remember one

3537
01:56:58,480 --> 01:56:58,730
thank you chair and thank you

3538
01:56:59,213 --> 01:56:59,463
again for all your work. I know

3539
01:57:02,480 --> 01:57:02,730
you have said the word that

3540
01:57:04,746 --> 01:57:04,996
kind of stay with me is that

3541
01:57:05,446 --> 01:57:05,696
compassion fatigue right? I

3542
01:57:07,046 --> 01:57:07,296
think in that line of work

3543
01:57:09,013 --> 01:57:09,263
there's so much anxiety.

3544
01:57:10,780 --> 01:57:11,030
there's so many different

3545
01:57:12,513 --> 01:57:12,763
variables that play with it and

3546
01:57:13,213 --> 01:57:13,463
of course then you gotta

3547
01:57:15,313 --> 01:57:15,563
audit committee on top of it

3548
01:57:17,013 --> 01:57:17,263
trying to find out what's going

3549
01:57:18,513 --> 01:57:18,763
on and he had to like repeat

3550
01:57:19,246 --> 01:57:19,496
yourself right so I think the

3551
01:57:23,013 --> 01:57:23,263
the work is very very exhausting

3552
01:57:24,746 --> 01:57:24,996
and I I I wanna make sure I

3553
01:57:26,546 --> 01:57:26,796
press you know you and your

3554
01:57:28,513 --> 01:57:28,763
colleagues work statewide in

3555
01:57:29,246 --> 01:57:29,496
terms of making sure that our

3556
01:57:31,013 --> 01:57:31,263
children are protected. Now you

3557
01:57:34,746 --> 01:57:34,996
mentioned in your statement

3558
01:57:35,313 --> 01:57:35,563
that you know there are

3559
01:57:36,980 --> 01:57:37,230
framework that exists already

3560
01:57:41,013 --> 01:57:41,263
such as43b or'm sorry32B and

3561
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:43,130
I know that the432B

3562
01:57:46,780 --> 01:57:47,030
only focuses on the child death

3563
01:57:48,746 --> 01:57:48,996
reviews team right? so they only

3564
01:57:50,780 --> 01:57:51,030
focus when there's already a

3565
01:57:53,246 --> 01:57:53,496
fatality is there a framework

3566
01:57:55,480 --> 01:57:55,730
to review the and and and I

3567
01:57:58,746 --> 01:57:58,996
forgot to ask earlier on when

3568
01:58:00,713 --> 01:58:00,963
the audit group was here

3569
01:58:02,746 --> 01:58:02,996
whether the number of fatality

3570
01:58:04,746 --> 01:58:04,996
versus the near fatality you

3571
01:58:05,313 --> 01:58:05,563
know

3572
01:58:08,980 --> 01:58:09,230
differ too much and even though

3573
01:58:11,213 --> 01:58:11,463
yes we have a child death review

3574
01:58:13,546 --> 01:58:13,796
team that are assessing over the

3575
01:58:14,846 --> 01:58:15,096
situation but I think there's

3576
01:58:15,513 --> 01:58:15,763
still a lot of

3577
01:58:18,780 --> 01:58:19,030
work to be done on that near

3578
01:58:20,513 --> 01:58:20,763
fatality right so that we can

3579
01:58:22,546 --> 01:58:22,796
reduce that number

3580
01:58:24,780 --> 01:58:25,030
do you think the current

3581
01:58:26,980 --> 01:58:27,230
process that is already in place

3582
01:58:31,513 --> 01:58:31,763
is strong enough for your

3583
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:32,930
statutory framework

3584
01:58:37,346 --> 01:58:37,596
and bring more attention to

3585
01:58:37,946 --> 01:58:38,196
the topic

3586
01:58:40,713 --> 01:58:40,963
or should we make some

3587
01:58:42,713 --> 01:58:42,963
improvement in terms of looking

3588
01:58:45,213 --> 01:58:45,463
at cases that are still you know

3589
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:48,730
salvageable and be able to

3590
01:58:49,346 --> 01:58:49,596
provide some support around that

3591
01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:56,730
ki m ber ly Abbott for the

3592
01:58:58,946 --> 01:58:59,196
record I think quality

3593
01:59:00,980 --> 01:59:01,230
continuous quality improvement

3594
01:59:02,980 --> 01:59:03,230
is a federal requirement that

3595
01:59:04,780 --> 01:59:05,030
we're all as agencies required

3596
01:59:06,746 --> 01:59:06,996
to engage in as part of the work

3597
01:59:08,980 --> 01:59:09,230
that we do so we do have quality

3598
01:59:10,946 --> 01:59:11,196
assurance teams within our

3599
01:59:14,513 --> 01:59:14,763
agencies that are looking at all

3600
01:59:15,213 --> 01:59:15,463
kinds of different outcomes

3601
01:59:16,513 --> 01:59:16,763
there are a variety of different

3602
01:59:18,513 --> 01:59:18,763
outcomes we have to have to

3603
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:19,330
report for the federal

3604
01:59:20,780 --> 01:59:21,030
government as we're sitting here

3605
01:59:23,046 --> 01:59:23,296
today the federal Children's

3606
01:59:23,713 --> 01:59:23,963
bureau is sitting with our

3607
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:24,530
colleagues and probably

3608
01:59:26,746 --> 01:59:26,996
looking for the four of us as

3609
01:59:28,713 --> 01:59:28,963
they're giving us some responses

3610
01:59:30,946 --> 01:59:31,196
back as they did a4e audit on

3611
01:59:32,513 --> 01:59:32,763
the financial side of some

3612
01:59:34,513 --> 01:59:34,763
things so there are a number of

3613
01:59:35,180 --> 01:59:35,430
things in place on the federal

3614
01:59:37,213 --> 01:59:37,463
level with our reporting as well

3615
01:59:38,980 --> 01:59:39,230
as under the the federal and

3616
01:59:40,713 --> 01:59:40,963
state requirements for our

3617
01:59:42,746 --> 01:59:42,996
continuous quality improvement

3618
01:59:44,713 --> 01:59:44,963
we're constantly looking at

3619
01:59:46,513 --> 01:59:46,763
how we can improve that as well

3620
01:59:50,513 --> 01:59:50,763
in fact at umdcFs across

3621
01:59:51,080 --> 01:59:51,330
our division we've made some

3622
01:59:52,780 --> 01:59:53,030
changes in the reporting

3623
01:59:53,346 --> 01:59:53,596
structure of our quality

3624
01:59:53,813 --> 01:59:54,063
assurance teams so they

3625
01:59:56,513 --> 01:59:56,763
' re reporting up through a

3626
01:59:58,480 --> 01:59:58,730
separate entity not through the

3627
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:00,730
the program director who who is

3628
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:02,730
their boss essentially right

3629
02:00:04,713 --> 02:00:04,963
when they're trying to to

3630
02:00:05,313 --> 02:00:05,563
answer questions about

3631
02:00:06,980 --> 02:00:07,230
accountability and how we're

3632
02:00:09,013 --> 02:00:09,263
doing in our programming and

3633
02:00:10,713 --> 02:00:10,963
I know we just made a shift

3634
02:00:12,480 --> 02:00:12,730
moving some of our child death

3635
02:00:14,946 --> 02:00:15,196
review work under our policy

3636
02:00:16,780 --> 02:00:17,030
and evaluation unit so it has

3637
02:00:18,780 --> 02:00:19,030
a different reporting structure

3638
02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:19,730
and a little bit of a

3639
02:00:20,746 --> 02:00:20,996
different approach than we've

3640
02:00:23,013 --> 02:00:23,263
taken before so I don't have any

3641
02:00:23,680 --> 02:00:23,930
specific suggestions at the

3642
02:00:24,213 --> 02:00:24,463
moment

3643
02:00:26,980 --> 02:00:27,230
as far as needing additional

3644
02:00:28,980 --> 02:00:29,230
statutory support but

3645
02:00:30,680 --> 02:00:30,930
certainly I would defer if my

3646
02:00:31,346 --> 02:00:31,596
colleagues have anything.

3647
02:00:37,080 --> 02:00:37,330
I don't think anyone else is a

3648
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:40,730
going to respond so quick follow

3649
02:00:42,513 --> 02:00:42,763
up chair so to the other point

3650
02:00:44,513 --> 02:00:44,763
that you also made earlier about

3651
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:47,230
the framework having three years

3652
02:00:49,013 --> 02:00:49,263
to completely master it and then

3653
02:00:49,713 --> 02:00:49,963
you also mentioned something

3654
02:00:50,346 --> 02:00:50,596
that I kind of

3655
02:00:53,213 --> 02:00:53,463
alarmed a little bit that there

3656
02:00:56,980 --> 02:00:57,230
is a lack of seniority in terms

3657
02:00:59,213 --> 02:00:59,463
of thecFS makeup is that

3658
02:01:01,046 --> 02:01:01,296
happening statewide or is that

3659
02:01:01,713 --> 02:01:01,963
just specific to clark county

3660
02:01:06,680 --> 02:01:06,930
this is Ryangustafson R Y A N G

3661
02:01:07,380 --> 02:01:07,630
U S T A F S O N.

3662
02:01:09,146 --> 02:01:09,396
I am the

3663
02:01:12,513 --> 02:01:12,763
assistant county manager in

3664
02:01:14,513 --> 02:01:14,763
washoe County and was previously

3665
02:01:16,480 --> 02:01:16,730
the director of the human

3666
02:01:19,246 --> 02:01:19,496
services agency I I can't say

3667
02:01:22,513 --> 02:01:22,763
that that is an ongoing issue I

3668
02:01:24,513 --> 02:01:24,763
I believe statewide I think our

3669
02:01:27,013 --> 02:01:27,263
vacancy rates probably vary from

3670
02:01:30,746 --> 02:01:30,996
from year to year we do also

3671
02:01:33,246 --> 02:01:33,496
face the the gap in the long

3672
02:01:34,946 --> 02:01:35,196
term institutional knowledge

3673
02:01:36,546 --> 02:01:36,796
that tends to sit with our

3674
02:01:38,780 --> 02:01:39,030
supervisor's coordinators higher

3675
02:01:39,446 --> 02:01:39,696
level positions as they move up

3676
02:01:42,746 --> 02:01:42,996
into the agency with their

3677
02:01:44,513 --> 02:01:44,763
experience I I do think though

3678
02:01:45,113 --> 02:01:45,363
that when you are at the

3679
02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:48,730
caseworker level we certainly

3680
02:01:50,946 --> 02:01:51,196
see a a more limited

3681
02:01:52,513 --> 02:01:52,763
experience level with those

3682
02:01:54,746 --> 02:01:54,996
folks they're there are tools in

3683
02:01:56,513 --> 02:01:56,763
place even with our job

3684
02:01:57,246 --> 02:01:57,496
classification system that works

3685
02:02:00,513 --> 02:02:00,763
towards acknowledging

3686
02:02:01,246 --> 02:02:01,496
rewarding those staff and that

3687
02:02:03,013 --> 02:02:03,263
we have three different levels

3688
02:02:04,513 --> 02:02:04,763
of caseworkers where you can

3689
02:02:06,746 --> 02:02:06,996
auto progress into through

3690
02:02:08,780 --> 02:02:09,030
that series which comes with

3691
02:02:09,346 --> 02:02:09,596
additional responsibilities

3692
02:02:09,913 --> 02:02:10,163
but also additional

3693
02:02:12,980 --> 02:02:13,230
pay and other perks that come

3694
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:15,530
with that but I would say

3695
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:20,730
that I having caseworkers

3696
02:02:21,246 --> 02:02:21,496
with more than five years'

3697
02:02:22,780 --> 02:02:23,030
experience is pretty rare

3698
02:02:24,513 --> 02:02:24,763
because usually at that time

3699
02:02:25,280 --> 02:02:25,530
they're shifting into

3700
02:02:28,746 --> 02:02:28,996
supervisory roles as staff

3701
02:02:29,646 --> 02:02:29,896
pushed through the agency over

3702
02:02:30,313 --> 02:02:30,563
the years.

3703
02:02:35,446 --> 02:02:35,696
ki m ber ly Abbott for the

3704
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:38,730
record I would agree we

3705
02:02:40,513 --> 02:02:40,763
have a lot of newer caseworkers

3706
02:02:42,780 --> 02:02:43,030
across the state we have some

3707
02:02:44,746 --> 02:02:44,996
with seniority but but many

3708
02:02:46,780 --> 02:02:47,030
newer workers and I think in our

3709
02:02:48,513 --> 02:02:48,763
15 rural counties these issues

3710
02:02:51,046 --> 02:02:51,296
are even compounded by the

3711
02:02:53,046 --> 02:02:53,296
challenges with just the

3712
02:02:55,046 --> 02:02:55,296
availability of workforce and

3713
02:02:56,746 --> 02:02:56,996
some of our smaller communities

3714
02:02:59,046 --> 02:02:59,296
and I think as Missasstrip said

3715
02:03:00,546 --> 02:03:00,796
this is incredibly hard work.

3716
02:03:02,546 --> 02:03:02,796
it's incredibly hardworking

3717
02:03:03,113 --> 02:03:03,363
Clark when the chances of

3718
02:03:03,680 --> 02:03:03,930
knowing the

3719
02:03:06,113 --> 02:03:06,363
persons whose home you're

3720
02:03:08,513 --> 02:03:08,763
responding to is slim it happens

3721
02:03:10,513 --> 02:03:10,763
from time to time I think in our

3722
02:03:12,513 --> 02:03:12,763
rural communities it is their

3723
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:13,530
friends, their neighbors, people

3724
02:03:14,980 --> 02:03:15,230
from their schools their

3725
02:03:16,780 --> 02:03:17,030
congregations that they're

3726
02:03:17,513 --> 02:03:17,763
responding to their homes right

3727
02:03:19,013 --> 02:03:19,263
when they're because they are

3728
02:03:20,980 --> 02:03:21,230
such small communities and

3729
02:03:23,013 --> 02:03:23,263
and everyone knows everyone.

3730
02:03:24,980 --> 02:03:25,230
I think that adds an an added

3731
02:03:26,980 --> 02:03:27,230
toll for some of our workers

3732
02:03:29,246 --> 02:03:29,496
and making this challenging

3733
02:03:29,813 --> 02:03:30,063
work even more challenging

3734
02:03:36,746 --> 02:03:36,996
thank you chair. so I I think

3735
02:03:37,346 --> 02:03:37,596
this is just more of a comment

3736
02:03:38,013 --> 02:03:38,263
but I I do

3737
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:41,530
realize that there are always

3738
02:03:44,513 --> 02:03:44,763
staffing issues up and down

3739
02:03:45,246 --> 02:03:45,496
the state not just your agencies

3740
02:03:47,313 --> 02:03:47,563
but you know across some of our

3741
02:03:49,013 --> 02:03:49,263
other agencies and I know that

3742
02:03:50,746 --> 02:03:50,996
the vicechair said earlier that

3743
02:03:53,013 --> 02:03:53,263
you know the number of case load

3744
02:03:55,013 --> 02:03:55,263
per staff you know that could be

3745
02:03:57,046 --> 02:03:57,296
one of the reasons that you know

3746
02:03:58,780 --> 02:03:59,030
trigger some of these

3747
02:04:01,046 --> 02:04:01,296
turnover or lack of seniority

3748
02:04:02,746 --> 02:04:02,996
just because the amount of work

3749
02:04:04,513 --> 02:04:04,763
and the amount of volume that

3750
02:04:06,780 --> 02:04:07,030
you all have to deal with on top

3751
02:04:07,646 --> 02:04:07,896
of fulfilling all the

3752
02:04:08,080 --> 02:04:08,330
requirements it is taxing

3753
02:04:11,246 --> 02:04:11,496
on everyone that's involved and

3754
02:04:12,980 --> 02:04:13,230
and I do want to recognize that

3755
02:04:14,513 --> 02:04:14,763
and don't wanna appreciate all

3756
02:04:15,213 --> 02:04:15,463
the work that you all do

3757
02:04:17,013 --> 02:04:17,263
everyday to help the children of

3758
02:04:18,646 --> 02:04:18,896
our state so thank you thank you

3759
02:04:19,313 --> 02:04:19,563
chair.

3760
02:04:23,346 --> 02:04:23,596
and thank you members any

3761
02:04:23,913 --> 02:04:24,163
additional questions

3762
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:30,730
seeing none and I don't believe

3763
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:32,730
we we have anything from senator

3764
02:04:33,613 --> 02:04:33,863
Krasner who's also joining us

3765
02:04:34,280 --> 02:04:34,530
via webexx.

3766
02:04:38,513 --> 02:04:38,763
now thank you thank you all

3767
02:04:39,246 --> 02:04:39,496
again for for joining us today

3768
02:04:40,813 --> 02:04:41,063
thank you for your time

3769
02:04:41,380 --> 02:04:41,630
appreciate you

3770
02:04:43,213 --> 02:04:43,463
and with that we'll go ahead and

3771
02:04:44,746 --> 02:04:44,996
close out that item and we

3772
02:04:46,480 --> 02:04:46,730
move on to the next item on the

3773
02:04:47,180 --> 02:04:47,430
agenda which is item number6

3774
02:04:50,746 --> 02:04:50,996
where you are very close members

3775
02:04:53,213 --> 02:04:53,463
to public comment I'd like to

3776
02:04:55,180 --> 02:04:55,430
hand it over to our policy

3777
02:04:58,480 --> 02:04:58,730
analyst Mryonsinizbec who can

3778
02:05:00,680 --> 02:05:00,930
walk us through the work

3779
02:05:01,213 --> 02:05:01,463
session item.

3780
02:05:09,213 --> 02:05:09,463
thank you chair for the record

3781
02:05:11,013 --> 02:05:11,263
youngnespek with the research

3782
02:05:12,746 --> 02:05:12,996
vision of the letter of

3783
02:05:14,746 --> 02:05:14,996
councilorro as nonpartisan staff

3784
02:05:17,080 --> 02:05:17,330
I can advocate for nor against a

3785
02:05:17,813 --> 02:05:18,063
measure that comes performance

3786
02:05:18,513 --> 02:05:18,763
committee

3787
02:05:20,780 --> 02:05:21,030
with that at the direction of

3788
02:05:22,813 --> 02:05:23,063
the chairman to walk me briefly

3789
02:05:23,513 --> 02:05:23,763
through the work session

3790
02:05:24,746 --> 02:05:24,996
document which you should

3791
02:05:25,346 --> 02:05:25,596
have in front of you which is

3792
02:05:26,746 --> 02:05:26,996
uploaded to the website as well

3793
02:05:31,013 --> 02:05:31,263
one important not is that

3794
02:05:35,213 --> 02:05:35,463
pursuant tonrs to18D.160 the

3795
02:05:36,746 --> 02:05:36,996
committee is limited to 10 as

3796
02:05:39,446 --> 02:05:39,696
their measures total any

3797
02:05:41,013 --> 02:05:41,263
recommended legislation proposed

3798
02:05:42,813 --> 02:05:43,063
by the committee must be

3799
02:05:44,513 --> 02:05:44,763
approved by a majority of the

3800
02:05:45,146 --> 02:05:45,396
senate members and the majority

3801
02:05:46,780 --> 02:05:47,030
of the assembly members serving

3802
02:05:47,480 --> 02:05:47,730
on the committee for for

3803
02:05:51,446 --> 02:05:51,696
subsection three of Nrs218E.325

3804
02:05:52,680 --> 02:05:52,930
and

3805
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:56,730
the chair selection when we

3806
02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:57,330
walked through the first

3807
02:05:58,713 --> 02:05:58,963
recommendation that's

3808
02:05:59,146 --> 02:05:59,396
recommendation A one

3809
02:06:02,780 --> 02:06:03,030
which is to request the

3810
02:06:04,513 --> 02:06:04,763
drafting of the bill to expand

3811
02:06:06,513 --> 02:06:06,763
the trail connector distance

3812
02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:10,730
described in interest490.090 for

3813
02:06:13,246 --> 02:06:13,496
Rhyway vehicles from 2 to5

3814
02:06:15,213 --> 02:06:15,463
miles. This was at the

3815
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:17,330
request of of the chair thank

3816
02:06:17,780 --> 02:06:18,030
you

3817
02:06:22,513 --> 02:06:22,763
thank you for thatembers I

3818
02:06:24,513 --> 02:06:24,763
have brought forth conversations

3819
02:06:26,780 --> 02:06:27,030
around offhighway vehicles and

3820
02:06:29,213 --> 02:06:29,463
access to trails what we are

3821
02:06:31,246 --> 02:06:31,496
hoping to achieve here is make

3822
02:06:32,913 --> 02:06:33,163
it easier presently

3823
02:06:35,246 --> 02:06:35,496
there's a huge market out

3824
02:06:38,780 --> 02:06:39,030
there and Nevada is perfect

3825
02:06:40,513 --> 02:06:40,763
for the offhighway vehicle

3826
02:06:41,246 --> 02:06:41,496
environment just because we have

3827
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:43,530
so much such a vast amount of

3828
02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:45,530
land that is federal so it's

3829
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:47,530
very friendly for for people to

3830
02:06:49,246 --> 02:06:49,496
be able to participate in that

3831
02:06:51,046 --> 02:06:51,296
type of activity. we just want

3832
02:06:52,746 --> 02:06:52,996
to make it easier for folks to

3833
02:06:54,713 --> 02:06:54,963
access those trails avoid them

3834
02:06:56,713 --> 02:06:56,963
having to put everything on a

3835
02:06:59,313 --> 02:06:59,563
trailer and then move to a

3836
02:07:01,046 --> 02:07:01,296
location leave all their stuff

3837
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:03,130
unsecured go enjoy the trails

3838
02:07:06,513 --> 02:07:06,763
come back a few hours later and

3839
02:07:07,113 --> 02:07:07,363
having left their truck there

3840
02:07:09,013 --> 02:07:09,263
their trailer there so we're

3841
02:07:10,513 --> 02:07:10,763
just trying to make it easier so

3842
02:07:11,213 --> 02:07:11,463
that people can access those

3843
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:13,530
trails maybe leave all that

3844
02:07:14,713 --> 02:07:14,963
stuff at home and can just jump

3845
02:07:16,513 --> 02:07:16,763
on their off highway vehicles

3846
02:07:18,513 --> 02:07:18,763
access the trail comeback.

3847
02:07:19,246 --> 02:07:19,496
that's the intent and I just

3848
02:07:20,513 --> 02:07:20,763
wanted to put that on

3849
02:07:21,280 --> 02:07:21,530
everybody's radar

3850
02:07:22,746 --> 02:07:22,996
specifically as to what we were

3851
02:07:23,480 --> 02:07:23,730
doing there at this time I'd

3852
02:07:24,046 --> 02:07:24,296
like to entertain

3853
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:25,930
a motion

3854
02:07:33,013 --> 02:07:33,263
make the motions thank you at

3855
02:07:35,013 --> 02:07:35,263
this time vice vicechair has

3856
02:07:37,013 --> 02:07:37,263
made the motion to request a

3857
02:07:38,713 --> 02:07:38,963
drafting of the bill to expand

3858
02:07:40,513 --> 02:07:40,763
the trail connector distance

3859
02:07:42,746 --> 02:07:42,996
described in NrS490 for

3860
02:07:43,546 --> 02:07:43,796
offhighway vehicles from 2 miles

3861
02:07:44,646 --> 02:07:44,896
to5 miles to have a second

3862
02:07:48,980 --> 02:07:49,230
assembly member Flanagan has

3863
02:07:49,613 --> 02:07:49,863
second that members any

3864
02:07:50,146 --> 02:07:50,396
discussion

3865
02:07:54,513 --> 02:07:54,763
seeing none all those in favor

3866
02:07:55,280 --> 02:07:55,530
please signify by saying i

3867
02:07:55,846 --> 02:07:56,096
those against the

3868
02:07:59,713 --> 02:07:59,963
motion carries unanimously thank

3869
02:08:00,380 --> 02:08:00,630
you

3870
02:08:01,246 --> 02:08:01,496
Mr Stinbeck please

3871
02:08:06,513 --> 02:08:06,763
ja in s pe with research

3872
02:08:08,513 --> 02:08:08,763
division of thelCB the second

3873
02:08:09,080 --> 02:08:09,330
item on the work session

3874
02:08:12,513 --> 02:08:12,763
document is B2 which is

3875
02:08:13,213 --> 02:08:13,463
the to request the drafting of a

3876
02:08:15,213 --> 02:08:15,463
bill to provides provisions

3877
02:08:16,746 --> 02:08:16,996
governing the public hearing

3878
02:08:19,046 --> 02:08:19,296
process of the pucCN and to

3879
02:08:20,780 --> 02:08:21,030
improve public access was based

3880
02:08:22,546 --> 02:08:22,796
on recommendations submitted by

3881
02:08:24,713 --> 02:08:24,963
the Nevadavironmental justice

3882
02:08:27,213 --> 02:08:27,463
coalition and suggested

3883
02:08:28,780 --> 02:08:29,030
recommendations are attached to

3884
02:08:29,480 --> 02:08:29,730
work session document as well

3885
02:08:30,113 --> 02:08:30,363
thank you chairir.

3886
02:08:34,746 --> 02:08:34,996
thank you Mr Stin is back.

3887
02:08:37,246 --> 02:08:37,496
I I do wanna preface it preface

3888
02:08:39,013 --> 02:08:39,263
this particular item by saying

3889
02:08:42,746 --> 02:08:42,996
thank you to both the PucC and

3890
02:08:44,746 --> 02:08:44,996
to miss Jackie Spicer with

3891
02:08:45,246 --> 02:08:45,496
the Nevadanvironmental justice

3892
02:08:47,013 --> 02:08:47,263
coalition who have had an

3893
02:08:48,780 --> 02:08:49,030
opportunity to discuss a

3894
02:08:50,780 --> 02:08:51,030
specifically the recommendations

3895
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:53,530
on here for clarity we wanted

3896
02:08:55,146 --> 02:08:55,396
to just let the committee

3897
02:08:55,713 --> 02:08:55,963
know

3898
02:08:58,246 --> 02:08:58,496
that specifically in the

3899
02:08:58,813 --> 02:08:59,063
language attached

3900
02:09:01,346 --> 02:09:01,596
there is a reference to

3901
02:09:05,046 --> 02:09:05,296
when there is consumer sessions

3902
02:09:07,213 --> 02:09:07,463
that those comments solicited

3903
02:09:10,513 --> 02:09:10,763
she'll be considered to have to

3904
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:14,730
be an evidentiary the that is

3905
02:09:15,480 --> 02:09:15,730
misleading. it it is not that

3906
02:09:17,246 --> 02:09:17,496
they they will have any type of

3907
02:09:20,513 --> 02:09:20,763
evidentiary probative value the

3908
02:09:22,513 --> 02:09:22,763
intent of the folk who have

3909
02:09:24,513 --> 02:09:24,763
worked on this language was for

3910
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:26,730
them to ensure that that that

3911
02:09:27,246 --> 02:09:27,496
every time we're asking for

3912
02:09:29,013 --> 02:09:29,263
input from the community they

3913
02:09:30,546 --> 02:09:30,796
want to make sure that that that

3914
02:09:31,413 --> 02:09:31,663
is being memorialized that

3915
02:09:31,980 --> 02:09:32,230
somehow it has become part of

3916
02:09:34,746 --> 02:09:34,996
some record. So rather than

3917
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:36,930
utilizing that language and

3918
02:09:37,246 --> 02:09:37,496
cause confusion

3919
02:09:40,513 --> 02:09:40,763
along with some of the other

3920
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:41,330
recommendations included on here

3921
02:09:44,713 --> 02:09:44,963
we wanted to instead of doing

3922
02:09:46,946 --> 02:09:47,196
that providing some broader

3923
02:09:48,746 --> 02:09:48,996
language that will allow both

3924
02:09:49,313 --> 02:09:49,563
the pucCN and the

3925
02:09:51,013 --> 02:09:51,263
nevadanvironmental justice

3926
02:09:53,013 --> 02:09:53,263
coalition folk led by Miss

3927
02:09:54,713 --> 02:09:54,963
Spicer in this particular

3928
02:09:55,380 --> 02:09:55,630
subject matter that they

3929
02:09:55,946 --> 02:09:56,196
continue to meet

3930
02:09:59,246 --> 02:09:59,496
and find neutral ground on

3931
02:10:01,213 --> 02:10:01,463
things that we can do together

3932
02:10:04,513 --> 02:10:04,763
to improve accessibility

3933
02:10:05,213 --> 02:10:05,463
PucCN has been more than

3934
02:10:06,980 --> 02:10:07,230
clear that that is their intent

3935
02:10:08,746 --> 02:10:08,996
that they've always wanted to

3936
02:10:09,313 --> 02:10:09,563
ensure transparency,

3937
02:10:12,713 --> 02:10:12,963
accessibility and that they

3938
02:10:14,513 --> 02:10:14,763
believe that they they try to

3939
02:10:16,513 --> 02:10:16,763
abide and do that at all times

3940
02:10:18,513 --> 02:10:18,763
and that we understand also that

3941
02:10:19,213 --> 02:10:19,463
the community has expressed a

3942
02:10:20,746 --> 02:10:20,996
tremendous amount of frustration

3943
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:23,530
not not always understanding how

3944
02:10:24,980 --> 02:10:25,230
the process works which is why

3945
02:10:25,613 --> 02:10:25,863
we're trying to help here

3946
02:10:29,246 --> 02:10:29,496
and both things can be true. it

3947
02:10:30,746 --> 02:10:30,996
could be it is true that maybe

3948
02:10:31,446 --> 02:10:31,696
the process can be very

3949
02:10:33,280 --> 02:10:33,530
complicated and that the general

3950
02:10:34,680 --> 02:10:34,930
public doesn't always know how

3951
02:10:35,346 --> 02:10:35,596
to participate

3952
02:10:38,746 --> 02:10:38,996
and it is also true that the

3953
02:10:40,546 --> 02:10:40,796
pECN can be trying their best

3954
02:10:41,180 --> 02:10:41,430
and and that we think we can

3955
02:10:43,246 --> 02:10:43,496
work together on achieving those

3956
02:10:45,246 --> 02:10:45,496
objectives together so rather

3957
02:10:47,280 --> 02:10:47,530
than going off of this language

3958
02:10:50,480 --> 02:10:50,730
and to give everybody comfort

3959
02:10:51,613 --> 02:10:51,863
we would prefer to have more

3960
02:10:52,180 --> 02:10:52,430
broader language

3961
02:10:56,513 --> 02:10:56,763
as it reads specifically in the

3962
02:10:58,480 --> 02:10:58,730
recommendation so rather than

3963
02:11:00,780 --> 02:11:01,030
deferring to the language that

3964
02:11:03,046 --> 02:11:03,296
was recommended that we

3965
02:11:04,780 --> 02:11:05,030
request for the drafting of the

3966
02:11:05,380 --> 02:11:05,630
bill to revise provisions

3967
02:11:07,013 --> 02:11:07,263
governing public hearing process

3968
02:11:10,480 --> 02:11:10,730
of the PucCN to improve public

3969
02:11:12,513 --> 02:11:12,763
access. I think that is a very

3970
02:11:14,746 --> 02:11:14,996
broad bucket it allows everybody

3971
02:11:15,613 --> 02:11:15,863
to work towards that objective

3972
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:16,530
and it doesn't

3973
02:11:20,513 --> 02:11:20,763
provide specific language that

3974
02:11:22,980 --> 02:11:23,230
will cause alarm today and

3975
02:11:24,513 --> 02:11:24,763
instead will allow us to work

3976
02:11:25,180 --> 02:11:25,430
together so we want to do that

3977
02:11:26,780 --> 02:11:27,030
so that we show that

3978
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:27,530
everybody's working in good

3979
02:11:29,246 --> 02:11:29,496
faith. I do want to say thank

3980
02:11:31,246 --> 02:11:31,496
you to Miss Jackie Spicer

3981
02:11:32,980 --> 02:11:33,230
because I know that when there

3982
02:11:34,980 --> 02:11:35,230
is an incident there was a a

3983
02:11:36,513 --> 02:11:36,763
hearing where there was a lot of

3984
02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:37,730
frustration. I know my flo ble

3985
02:11:39,246 --> 02:11:39,496
blew up like many of the other

3986
02:11:41,280 --> 02:11:41,530
members here had numerous text

3987
02:11:44,513 --> 02:11:44,763
messages, emails, phone calls

3988
02:11:45,180 --> 02:11:45,430
there was a lot of frustration

3989
02:11:45,846 --> 02:11:46,096
from the community and we do not

3990
02:11:46,513 --> 02:11:46,763
want to undermine

3991
02:11:49,013 --> 02:11:49,263
that work and we do thank you

3992
02:11:51,113 --> 02:11:51,363
for for bringing it forth. So

3993
02:11:51,780 --> 02:11:52,030
with that said of members

3994
02:11:55,046 --> 02:11:55,296
this is an opportunity for them

3995
02:11:57,013 --> 02:11:57,263
to continue to work forward and

3996
02:11:58,746 --> 02:11:58,996
I'd like to entertain emotions

3997
02:12:00,746 --> 02:12:00,996
to request the bill draft to

3998
02:12:01,346 --> 02:12:01,596
ris provision governing

3999
02:12:04,713 --> 02:12:04,963
the public hearing process of

4000
02:12:06,980 --> 02:12:07,230
the PucCN to improve public

4001
02:12:08,513 --> 02:12:08,763
access and then we they will

4002
02:12:09,146 --> 02:12:09,396
continue to work in good faith

4003
02:12:11,046 --> 02:12:11,296
and then come back together with

4004
02:12:11,780 --> 02:12:12,030
some language. Do I have

4005
02:12:12,346 --> 02:12:12,596
emotion?

4006
02:12:16,680 --> 02:12:16,930
motion to request a drafted bill

4007
02:12:19,446 --> 02:12:19,696
thank you vicechair has made the

4008
02:12:20,680 --> 02:12:20,930
motion. Do I have a second?

4009
02:12:23,213 --> 02:12:23,463
Senator Neal has seconded that

4010
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:24,130
motion members any discussion

4011
02:12:25,413 --> 02:12:25,663
assembly member call please

4012
02:12:30,513 --> 02:12:30,763
thank you chair. I very much

4013
02:12:31,113 --> 02:12:31,363
appreciate the clarification on

4014
02:12:33,280 --> 02:12:33,530
the public comment piece I

4015
02:12:35,013 --> 02:12:35,263
just wanted to know that I I

4016
02:12:36,480 --> 02:12:36,730
kind of think that we're trying

4017
02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:38,730
to fit a square peg into a round

4018
02:12:40,746 --> 02:12:40,996
hole on this if the real goal

4019
02:12:42,513 --> 02:12:42,763
is making sure ratepayer

4020
02:12:44,513 --> 02:12:44,763
concerns carry real weight which

4021
02:12:46,513 --> 02:12:46,763
we should. uhnevada already has

4022
02:12:48,746 --> 02:12:48,996
a body built for that it's the

4023
02:12:50,513 --> 02:12:50,763
bureau of Consumer Protection

4024
02:12:51,113 --> 02:12:51,363
which is in the attorney

4025
02:12:53,046 --> 02:12:53,296
general's office the BcP is

4026
02:12:54,780 --> 02:12:55,030
authorized to represent utility

4027
02:12:56,780 --> 02:12:57,030
customers as a real party and

4028
02:12:57,446 --> 02:12:57,696
interest in pucCN proceedings

4029
02:13:00,513 --> 02:13:00,763
it's funded for that purpose

4030
02:13:01,313 --> 02:13:01,563
through the utility assessment

4031
02:13:03,313 --> 02:13:03,563
and it exists to represent the

4032
02:13:04,746 --> 02:13:04,996
broader public interest in

4033
02:13:06,746 --> 02:13:06,996
Nevada residents. I think we

4034
02:13:07,380 --> 02:13:07,630
need to ensure that all of our

4035
02:13:09,013 --> 02:13:09,263
constituents know about this

4036
02:13:09,613 --> 02:13:09,863
office and make sure there is a

4037
02:13:11,046 --> 02:13:11,296
clear pathway for them to

4038
02:13:13,280 --> 02:13:13,530
provide comments to them and

4039
02:13:14,746 --> 02:13:14,996
I think that will actually

4040
02:13:15,380 --> 02:13:15,630
address a lot of the concerns

4041
02:13:16,746 --> 02:13:16,996
that we've heard from consumers

4042
02:13:17,480 --> 02:13:17,730
because you're right we have

4043
02:13:19,246 --> 02:13:19,496
heard a lot the officeice of

4044
02:13:21,013 --> 02:13:21,263
attorney general is a really

4045
02:13:22,813 --> 02:13:23,063
powerful office that could be

4046
02:13:24,513 --> 02:13:24,763
doing more to provide meaningful

4047
02:13:25,246 --> 02:13:25,496
representation of our

4048
02:13:27,146 --> 02:13:27,396
citizenships our citizens if

4049
02:13:27,780 --> 02:13:28,030
rate pair's voices

4050
02:13:29,346 --> 02:13:29,596
aren't landing with enough

4051
02:13:30,780 --> 02:13:31,030
weight the fixes to strengthen

4052
02:13:32,646 --> 02:13:32,896
the office that already has

4053
02:13:33,213 --> 02:13:33,463
standing in a formal seat

4054
02:13:37,346 --> 02:13:37,596
thank you for thatembers any

4055
02:13:38,013 --> 02:13:38,263
additional comments

4056
02:13:40,813 --> 02:13:41,063
senator Neal please

4057
02:13:44,513 --> 02:13:44,763
thank you chair

4058
02:13:47,213 --> 02:13:47,463
so I recognize you know what's

4059
02:13:50,480 --> 02:13:50,730
happening in in regards to the

4060
02:13:52,713 --> 02:13:52,963
community and the PucC and

4061
02:13:54,546 --> 02:13:54,796
I'm hoping that the parties

4062
02:13:55,280 --> 02:13:55,530
continue to work to try to find

4063
02:14:00,513 --> 02:14:00,763
the best policy as they move

4064
02:14:02,513 --> 02:14:02,763
forward and so I'm grateful that

4065
02:14:03,180 --> 02:14:03,430
you guys were able to have a

4066
02:14:05,013 --> 02:14:05,263
meeting before this work session

4067
02:14:06,513 --> 02:14:06,763
so you could kind of you know

4068
02:14:08,746 --> 02:14:08,996
talk some more and that you will

4069
02:14:10,680 --> 02:14:10,930
continue to have conversation

4070
02:14:12,646 --> 02:14:12,896
I won't add the rest

4071
02:14:20,513 --> 02:14:20,763
thank you chair you members

4072
02:14:21,580 --> 02:14:21,830
any additional comments seeing

4073
02:14:22,246 --> 02:14:22,496
none all those in favor

4074
02:14:24,946 --> 02:14:25,196
oh yes please somebodyer

4075
02:14:25,513 --> 02:14:25,763
flanigan.

4076
02:14:28,980 --> 02:14:29,230
thank you Mr chairir maybe

4077
02:14:30,746 --> 02:14:30,996
the ditto a little bit of

4078
02:14:31,580 --> 02:14:31,830
senator neal's comments

4079
02:14:36,480 --> 02:14:36,730
and just to say thank you to you

4080
02:14:37,213 --> 02:14:37,463
because I did receive some phone

4081
02:14:39,013 --> 02:14:39,263
calls about that language so I'm

4082
02:14:40,746 --> 02:14:40,996
happy to hear that they'll be

4083
02:14:42,513 --> 02:14:42,763
continuing to work together and

4084
02:14:43,280 --> 02:14:43,530
I think that any time we have

4085
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:45,530
concerns that raise the eyebrows

4086
02:14:47,246 --> 02:14:47,496
of the public in general where

4087
02:14:48,980 --> 02:14:49,230
those discussions are had is

4088
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:51,530
where citizens should be able to

4089
02:14:53,513 --> 02:14:53,763
offer their concerns and have

4090
02:14:55,213 --> 02:14:55,463
their concerns heard and

4091
02:14:57,246 --> 02:14:57,496
responded to so I hope that we

4092
02:14:59,280 --> 02:14:59,530
do find some way forward that

4093
02:15:01,013 --> 02:15:01,263
doesn't place their comments in

4094
02:15:03,146 --> 02:15:03,396
a box or limit how they're

4095
02:15:06,746 --> 02:15:06,996
heard but make sure they're

4096
02:15:09,013 --> 02:15:09,263
present in real time and

4097
02:15:10,980 --> 02:15:11,230
responded to with some some

4098
02:15:11,546 --> 02:15:11,796
sensitivities. thank you.

4099
02:15:13,113 --> 02:15:13,363
thank you some remember

4100
02:15:15,413 --> 02:15:15,663
anybody else any additional

4101
02:15:15,980 --> 02:15:16,230
comments I want to make sure I

4102
02:15:16,680 --> 02:15:16,930
don't

4103
02:15:17,213 --> 02:15:17,463
inadvertently skip anybody

4104
02:15:20,980 --> 02:15:21,230
seeing none all those in favor

4105
02:15:21,680 --> 02:15:21,930
please signify by saying ii

4106
02:15:23,213 --> 02:15:23,463
those again say nay

4107
02:15:27,246 --> 02:15:27,496
please let the record reflect

4108
02:15:28,980 --> 02:15:29,230
assembly members in a all other

4109
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:32,730
members in a motion carries and

4110
02:15:35,013 --> 02:15:35,263
I will echo the the energy of

4111
02:15:37,013 --> 02:15:37,263
s assembly member Flanigan

4112
02:15:40,480 --> 02:15:40,730
andneal that had individuals

4113
02:15:42,780 --> 02:15:43,030
not spoken up and not activated

4114
02:15:44,480 --> 02:15:44,730
not worked together we wouldn't

4115
02:15:45,113 --> 02:15:45,363
be having this conversation

4116
02:15:46,513 --> 02:15:46,763
today so you are being heard and

4117
02:15:47,380 --> 02:15:47,630
I don't want to minimize that

4118
02:15:48,046 --> 02:15:48,296
and

4119
02:15:51,246 --> 02:15:51,496
reemphasize how important it is

4120
02:15:52,746 --> 02:15:52,996
that you recognize that this is

4121
02:15:53,413 --> 02:15:53,663
your space

4122
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:53,930
and that we do this for you

4123
02:15:57,213 --> 02:15:57,463
with that we will move on to

4124
02:15:58,846 --> 02:15:59,096
the next item Mr Stinisbeck

4125
02:15:59,413 --> 02:15:59,663
please.

4126
02:16:01,013 --> 02:16:01,263
for the record again since bit

4127
02:16:03,213 --> 02:16:03,463
with the research original

4128
02:16:06,746 --> 02:16:06,996
atlCB the next recommendation

4129
02:16:08,980 --> 02:16:09,230
of the work says document is C3

4130
02:16:10,513 --> 02:16:10,763
here's the request drafting a

4131
02:16:11,513 --> 02:16:11,763
bill to divine persons

4132
02:16:13,080 --> 02:16:13,330
experiencing homelessness and to

4133
02:16:14,980 --> 02:16:15,230
clarify protected rights of such

4134
02:16:16,680 --> 02:16:16,930
persons as well as at the

4135
02:16:17,246 --> 02:16:17,496
request of Samuel.

4136
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:21,330
Senator Neal if you wanted to

4137
02:16:22,813 --> 02:16:23,063
expand just briefly on on some

4138
02:16:23,446 --> 02:16:23,696
of the items that we were

4139
02:16:24,646 --> 02:16:24,896
thinking about working on there

4140
02:16:30,546 --> 02:16:30,796
and here similar to the previous

4141
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:31,530
item we want to make sure that

4142
02:16:33,246 --> 02:16:33,496
we allow space to continue to

4143
02:16:36,513 --> 02:16:36,763
work towards an objective but

4144
02:16:37,180 --> 02:16:37,430
if we could put some parameters

4145
02:16:38,746 --> 02:16:38,996
and they'll sender and you had

4146
02:16:39,480 --> 02:16:39,730
some ideas of what we can do and

4147
02:16:42,513 --> 02:16:42,763
hopefully help and also just

4148
02:16:43,146 --> 02:16:43,396
for everybody's kind of

4149
02:16:43,646 --> 02:16:43,896
understandingenatorneal in the

4150
02:16:44,346 --> 02:16:44,596
past

4151
02:16:46,746 --> 02:16:46,996
has been involved in trying

4152
02:16:48,980 --> 02:16:49,230
to bring working coalitions

4153
02:16:50,980 --> 02:16:51,230
around this issue and so I

4154
02:16:52,680 --> 02:16:52,930
appreciate her continuing her

4155
02:16:53,380 --> 02:16:53,630
work in this space.

4156
02:16:57,113 --> 02:16:57,363
Thank you chairir. I'm trying to

4157
02:17:00,480 --> 02:17:00,730
pull up. I just want to make

4158
02:17:01,313 --> 02:17:01,563
sure that so the

4159
02:17:06,746 --> 02:17:06,996
housing bill of well if you

4160
02:17:08,480 --> 02:17:08,730
want to talk about protected

4161
02:17:09,146 --> 02:17:09,396
rights of such persons

4162
02:17:13,213 --> 02:17:13,463
I just want to be clear that

4163
02:17:14,980 --> 02:17:15,230
there were recommendations that

4164
02:17:17,180 --> 02:17:17,430
were submitted to the chair and

4165
02:17:19,013 --> 02:17:19,263
there was some review over those

4166
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:21,330
recommendations not all of those

4167
02:17:23,046 --> 02:17:23,296
recommendations will go forward.

4168
02:17:27,013 --> 02:17:27,263
some of them were really

4169
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:29,530
extreme we are looking to find

4170
02:17:30,513 --> 02:17:30,763
middle ground where you know you

4171
02:17:33,013 --> 02:17:33,263
have the right to you know

4172
02:17:36,780 --> 02:17:37,030
dignity services but not

4173
02:17:38,746 --> 02:17:38,996
necessarily to the point where

4174
02:17:39,613 --> 02:17:39,863
we're actually creating rights

4175
02:17:40,280 --> 02:17:40,530
for

4176
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:44,730
true squatters like that is not

4177
02:17:47,213 --> 02:17:47,463
the goal here there was a

4178
02:17:50,680 --> 02:17:50,930
request to try to put some

4179
02:17:53,046 --> 02:17:53,296
oh

4180
02:17:53,296 --> 02:17:53,546
you want to call

4181
02:17:58,713 --> 02:17:58,963
more protections for homeless

4182
02:18:01,013 --> 02:18:01,263
persons but one of the key

4183
02:18:03,046 --> 02:18:03,296
pieces that I know we wanted to

4184
02:18:06,513 --> 02:18:06,763
deal with was we've been

4185
02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:07,530
guess addressing this issue for

4186
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:10,730
a long time was that when

4187
02:18:11,146 --> 02:18:11,396
children are being put in the

4188
02:18:11,813 --> 02:18:12,063
shelter

4189
02:18:14,713 --> 02:18:14,963
there's been a long standing

4190
02:18:16,980 --> 02:18:17,230
rule to separate children in the

4191
02:18:18,946 --> 02:18:19,196
shelter from their family. Now

4192
02:18:22,513 --> 02:18:22,763
what we had heard from the

4193
02:18:23,246 --> 02:18:23,496
domestic violence groups was

4194
02:18:25,213 --> 02:18:25,463
that if a child is like a male

4195
02:18:27,413 --> 02:18:27,663
child that's you know12 years

4196
02:18:29,180 --> 02:18:29,430
old and and women have been

4197
02:18:31,246 --> 02:18:31,496
traumatized and they don't want

4198
02:18:34,713 --> 02:18:34,963
to see a male in the facility

4199
02:18:36,746 --> 02:18:36,996
that the male child is in

4200
02:18:38,713 --> 02:18:38,963
separated and then put with

4201
02:18:41,246 --> 02:18:41,496
adult males in a homeless

4202
02:18:41,813 --> 02:18:42,063
facility. we want to

4203
02:18:46,780 --> 02:18:47,030
prevent separation of children

4204
02:18:47,380 --> 02:18:47,630
period

4205
02:18:50,980 --> 02:18:51,230
if they're young children when

4206
02:18:52,746 --> 02:18:52,996
they go into a shelter we want

4207
02:18:54,480 --> 02:18:54,730
to make sure that the children

4208
02:18:56,480 --> 02:18:56,730
and that there's a right for the

4209
02:18:57,480 --> 02:18:57,730
family to stay together. we know

4210
02:18:58,780 --> 02:18:59,030
that there is some internal

4211
02:19:00,513 --> 02:19:00,763
policies but sometimes those

4212
02:19:04,513 --> 02:19:04,763
policies are are not met that

4213
02:19:06,480 --> 02:19:06,730
was one of the key areas that we

4214
02:19:07,280 --> 02:19:07,530
know because you know if a child

4215
02:19:09,246 --> 02:19:09,496
is separated it's already trauma

4216
02:19:10,746 --> 02:19:10,996
right if you've lost the home

4217
02:19:12,746 --> 02:19:12,996
there's already trauma if a

4218
02:19:13,380 --> 02:19:13,630
child is then put into a

4219
02:19:16,713 --> 02:19:16,963
homeless shelter and then

4220
02:19:18,946 --> 02:19:19,196
they're now across the way from

4221
02:19:20,946 --> 02:19:21,196
their mother who they feel most

4222
02:19:22,513 --> 02:19:22,763
safe with in their other

4223
02:19:25,413 --> 02:19:25,663
siblings and now the male child

4224
02:19:26,080 --> 02:19:26,330
is also put in danger

4225
02:19:30,746 --> 02:19:30,996
by being hailed with other

4226
02:19:32,480 --> 02:19:32,730
adult males in a homeless

4227
02:19:33,180 --> 02:19:33,430
shelter and so that was one of

4228
02:19:35,180 --> 02:19:35,430
the key things that was not in

4229
02:19:36,513 --> 02:19:36,763
their document that they gave to

4230
02:19:37,346 --> 02:19:37,596
us but was added

4231
02:19:40,780 --> 02:19:41,030
so they're I guess they're

4232
02:19:41,380 --> 02:19:41,630
learning it today that that is

4233
02:19:44,513 --> 02:19:44,763
in addition to their document

4234
02:19:46,513 --> 02:19:46,763
but I just wanted to put that on

4235
02:19:47,246 --> 02:19:47,496
the record to try to help

4236
02:19:48,746 --> 02:19:48,996
because there were there were a

4237
02:19:50,480 --> 02:19:50,730
list of things but that was one

4238
02:19:51,446 --> 02:19:51,696
of the key areas that I know I

4239
02:19:53,180 --> 02:19:53,430
wanted to add without getting

4240
02:19:53,880 --> 02:19:54,130
too you know

4241
02:19:58,480 --> 02:19:58,730
extreme in in in the list of

4242
02:19:59,146 --> 02:19:59,396
rights that were provided to us

4243
02:20:01,280 --> 02:20:01,530
thank you and thank you

4244
02:20:03,480 --> 02:20:03,730
senatorneal just for clarity

4245
02:20:04,146 --> 02:20:04,396
there there is a

4246
02:20:06,746 --> 02:20:06,996
there's a group of folks that

4247
02:20:09,046 --> 02:20:09,296
are working on unhod issues

4248
02:20:09,613 --> 02:20:09,863
outside of of

4249
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:11,130
this committee's

4250
02:20:12,913 --> 02:20:13,163
conversation

4251
02:20:17,180 --> 02:20:17,430
and in those conversations they

4252
02:20:18,746 --> 02:20:18,996
they had to compile the list of

4253
02:20:19,413 --> 02:20:19,663
things that they were interested

4254
02:20:22,746 --> 02:20:22,996
in the ones that are being

4255
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:24,730
considered for us without

4256
02:20:25,180 --> 02:20:25,430
specific language but that we

4257
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:28,730
would move forward in trying to

4258
02:20:30,513 --> 02:20:30,763
find the language with the

4259
02:20:31,080 --> 02:20:31,330
consensus of the stakeholders

4260
02:20:31,646 --> 02:20:31,896
are as follows

4261
02:20:35,180 --> 02:20:35,430
number one it's going to be

4262
02:20:38,513 --> 02:20:38,763
whaten Ne just addressed when

4263
02:20:39,180 --> 02:20:39,430
there's children there's several

4264
02:20:39,846 --> 02:20:40,096
children

4265
02:20:43,013 --> 02:20:43,263
that to the extent possible

4266
02:20:44,513 --> 02:20:44,763
we're not limiting we're not

4267
02:20:48,513 --> 02:20:48,763
separating the families.umber12

4268
02:20:50,746 --> 02:20:50,996
the confidentiality of private

4269
02:20:52,480 --> 02:20:52,730
information person identifiable

4270
02:20:54,480 --> 02:20:54,730
information of individuals that

4271
02:20:55,213 --> 02:20:55,463
were respectful and and to the

4272
02:20:56,746 --> 02:20:56,996
extent possible we're always

4273
02:20:58,746 --> 02:20:58,996
protecting that.umber3 that

4274
02:20:59,346 --> 02:20:59,596
there's always a safe discharge

4275
02:21:01,546 --> 02:21:01,796
plan

4276
02:21:03,546 --> 02:21:03,796
particularly when there's the

4277
02:21:06,513 --> 02:21:06,763
involvement of of minors and

4278
02:21:08,513 --> 02:21:08,763
then number4 that there's always

4279
02:21:11,113 --> 02:21:11,363
a safety of victims of

4280
02:21:11,580 --> 02:21:11,830
crimes planned

4281
02:21:13,246 --> 02:21:13,496
when we're working with

4282
02:21:15,213 --> 02:21:15,463
vulnerable communities including

4283
02:21:16,913 --> 02:21:17,163
our unhoused because there's

4284
02:21:17,480 --> 02:21:17,730
always a concern

4285
02:21:19,280 --> 02:21:19,530
that after they've received some

4286
02:21:21,246 --> 02:21:21,496
services there's no wrapround

4287
02:21:22,813 --> 02:21:23,063
that continues afterwards

4288
02:21:26,480 --> 02:21:26,730
so those are those are the focus

4289
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:28,730
of of today's conversation and

4290
02:21:30,480 --> 02:21:30,730
that would be what the continued

4291
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:32,730
working committee and working

4292
02:21:33,246 --> 02:21:33,496
group for the inhouse would

4293
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:34,930
focus on. so with that I'd like

4294
02:21:35,346 --> 02:21:35,596
to entertain emotion

4295
02:21:40,813 --> 02:21:41,063
ed ri ne has made the motion

4296
02:21:43,213 --> 02:21:43,463
and assembly member has

4297
02:21:44,713 --> 02:21:44,963
second that members any

4298
02:21:45,280 --> 02:21:45,530
discussion

4299
02:21:48,980 --> 02:21:49,230
seeing none all those in favor

4300
02:21:49,613 --> 02:21:49,863
please signify by saying aye

4301
02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:52,930
those again say nay

4302
02:21:56,713 --> 02:21:56,963
and motion carries unanimously

4303
02:21:58,713 --> 02:21:58,963
thank you and next we'll move to

4304
02:22:01,380 --> 02:22:01,630
item number d as in dog Mr

4305
02:22:01,980 --> 02:22:02,230
Stin isbe please.

4306
02:22:08,646 --> 02:22:08,896
you chair Youson'spe with the

4307
02:22:09,246 --> 02:22:09,496
reasons mission of thelCB

4308
02:22:14,480 --> 02:22:14,730
d 4 is to request drafting of a

4309
02:22:15,180 --> 02:22:15,430
bill to implement the

4310
02:22:16,713 --> 02:22:16,963
recommendation of the purple

4311
02:22:17,480 --> 02:22:17,730
ribbon task force relating to

4312
02:22:20,513 --> 02:22:20,763
the wellbeing of firefighter

4313
02:22:22,780 --> 02:22:23,030
and peace officers this is based

4314
02:22:24,780 --> 02:22:25,030
in part information presented by

4315
02:22:28,746 --> 02:22:28,996
the task force on Julyinth and

4316
02:22:29,613 --> 02:22:29,863
we subs subsequent

4317
02:22:30,046 --> 02:22:30,296
recommendations. thank you

4318
02:22:30,613 --> 02:22:30,863
chair.

4319
02:22:33,213 --> 02:22:33,463
thank you Mrinnebec members just

4320
02:22:35,013 --> 02:22:35,263
as you all know there is a a

4321
02:22:36,513 --> 02:22:36,763
purple ribbon task forcece that

4322
02:22:37,213 --> 02:22:37,463
is now meeting it is

4323
02:22:41,246 --> 02:22:41,496
it consists of having mostly

4324
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:43,530
excuse me consisting of

4325
02:22:46,480 --> 02:22:46,730
having members who are presently

4326
02:22:48,746 --> 02:22:48,996
our first responders who

4327
02:22:50,746 --> 02:22:50,996
are working every day in very

4328
02:22:53,313 --> 02:22:53,563
high stress environments and the

4329
02:22:55,246 --> 02:22:55,496
intention of the creation of

4330
02:22:57,246 --> 02:22:57,496
that particular group was to

4331
02:22:59,013 --> 02:22:59,263
allow professionals from this

4332
02:23:00,513 --> 02:23:00,763
the space to make

4333
02:23:02,780 --> 02:23:03,030
recommendations on how they

4334
02:23:05,046 --> 02:23:05,296
could better deal with just

4335
02:23:07,113 --> 02:23:07,363
their high stressors and what we

4336
02:23:07,780 --> 02:23:08,030
can do to help when it comes to

4337
02:23:09,213 --> 02:23:09,463
mental health and other issues

4338
02:23:12,513 --> 02:23:12,763
etc. We do not sit on that

4339
02:23:14,513 --> 02:23:14,763
committee as legislators but

4340
02:23:15,180 --> 02:23:15,430
we did want to give them an

4341
02:23:16,980 --> 02:23:17,230
opportunity to continue to meet.

4342
02:23:19,246 --> 02:23:19,496
they've already met now

4343
02:23:20,980 --> 02:23:21,230
but we want to we know that

4344
02:23:22,846 --> 02:23:23,096
there is not a recommendation

4345
02:23:23,513 --> 02:23:23,763
from them to us yet

4346
02:23:24,980 --> 02:23:25,230
but we want to have a

4347
02:23:26,980 --> 02:23:27,230
placeholder in case they do come

4348
02:23:28,513 --> 02:23:28,763
up with a recommendation that we

4349
02:23:30,513 --> 02:23:30,763
have the bill draft ready for

4350
02:23:32,713 --> 02:23:32,963
them to utilize should they not

4351
02:23:34,713 --> 02:23:34,963
find anything that they like or

4352
02:23:36,746 --> 02:23:36,996
they don't find consensus or

4353
02:23:38,513 --> 02:23:38,763
they're just not there then we

4354
02:23:39,213 --> 02:23:39,463
just simply won't do anything

4355
02:23:40,780 --> 02:23:41,030
but we are kind of waiting for

4356
02:23:41,480 --> 02:23:41,730
them to give us something but

4357
02:23:42,980 --> 02:23:43,230
they still need more time so

4358
02:23:44,513 --> 02:23:44,763
that's what this would be and

4359
02:23:45,246 --> 02:23:45,496
it'd be a placeholder for that

4360
02:23:46,980 --> 02:23:47,230
particular group who's

4361
02:23:49,113 --> 02:23:49,363
meeting I'd like to entertain

4362
02:23:49,780 --> 02:23:50,030
emotion

4363
02:23:52,680 --> 02:23:52,930
assembly memberwynn has made the

4364
02:23:53,346 --> 02:23:53,596
motion

4365
02:23:53,596 --> 02:23:53,846
to have a second

4366
02:23:59,213 --> 02:23:59,463
assembly member conadine

4367
02:24:01,280 --> 02:24:01,530
vicechair has has seconded that

4368
02:24:01,946 --> 02:24:02,196
members in any discussion

4369
02:24:04,813 --> 02:24:05,063
seeing none all those in favor

4370
02:24:06,513 --> 02:24:06,763
please signify by saying iii

4371
02:24:07,080 --> 02:24:07,330
those again say he

4372
02:24:11,246 --> 02:24:11,496
motion carries unanimously. Next

4373
02:24:13,080 --> 02:24:13,330
is item D5.

4374
02:24:19,013 --> 02:24:19,263
for the record younginspec with

4375
02:24:21,013 --> 02:24:21,263
the research vision of LZB a

4376
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:21,930
recommendation D5

4377
02:24:24,746 --> 02:24:24,996
is to request the drafting of

4378
02:24:26,746 --> 02:24:26,996
a bill to require law

4379
02:24:28,513 --> 02:24:28,763
enforcement agencies to s sub

4380
02:24:30,513 --> 02:24:30,763
submit standardized reports on

4381
02:24:31,246 --> 02:24:31,496
enforcement activity occurring

4382
02:24:33,013 --> 02:24:33,263
during special events and other

4383
02:24:35,046 --> 02:24:35,296
large scale events including

4384
02:24:36,780 --> 02:24:37,030
public demonstrations and

4385
02:24:38,780 --> 02:24:39,030
protests and to admit that

4386
02:24:41,046 --> 02:24:41,296
that Saraice reports to the the

4387
02:24:42,780 --> 02:24:43,030
malesa nature this was at the

4388
02:24:43,380 --> 02:24:43,630
request of vicechair

4389
02:24:43,846 --> 02:24:44,096
counseling thank you chair.

4390
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:46,930
and next I'll hand it over to

4391
02:24:47,380 --> 02:24:47,630
vicechair

4392
02:24:50,780 --> 02:24:51,030
thank you chair so this

4393
02:24:51,280 --> 02:24:51,530
request for a draft came out of

4394
02:24:52,980 --> 02:24:53,230
the meeting that we held back in

4395
02:24:55,280 --> 02:24:55,530
April and the the purpose for

4396
02:24:58,513 --> 02:24:58,763
this is to first there's still

4397
02:24:59,280 --> 02:24:59,530
some meetings that need to go on

4398
02:25:00,513 --> 02:25:00,763
there we don't have any final

4399
02:25:02,513 --> 02:25:02,763
language but to determine the

4400
02:25:04,746 --> 02:25:04,996
impact on law enforcement of the

4401
02:25:08,513 --> 02:25:08,763
use of the number the cost of

4402
02:25:09,246 --> 02:25:09,496
the materials that are being

4403
02:25:12,546 --> 02:25:12,796
used for these large events

4404
02:25:14,513 --> 02:25:14,763
scale large scale events and

4405
02:25:16,546 --> 02:25:16,796
public demonstrations and also

4406
02:25:17,180 --> 02:25:17,430
to create

4407
02:25:19,313 --> 02:25:19,563
a plan for transparency of that

4408
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:21,130
information for the public and

4409
02:25:21,546 --> 02:25:21,796
for the legislature.

4410
02:25:22,846 --> 02:25:23,096
thank you chair

4411
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:30,930
and some member call please.

4412
02:25:35,013 --> 02:25:35,263
thank you chair and thank you

4413
02:25:36,746 --> 02:25:36,996
vicechair. I think that that

4414
02:25:37,480 --> 02:25:37,730
might have answered my question

4415
02:25:39,313 --> 02:25:39,563
so this is really more about the

4416
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:41,530
cost that is associated we're

4417
02:25:44,513 --> 02:25:44,763
not gonna include any kind of

4418
02:25:46,513 --> 02:25:46,763
like sensitive information like

4419
02:25:47,146 --> 02:25:47,396
staffing levels staging

4420
02:25:49,013 --> 02:25:49,263
locations resources tactics that

4421
02:25:50,680 --> 02:25:50,930
are used that could pose a

4422
02:25:51,280 --> 02:25:51,530
public safety issue

4423
02:25:54,480 --> 02:25:54,730
thank you for that question.

4424
02:25:56,746 --> 02:25:56,996
there's no intention to pro to

4425
02:25:57,446 --> 02:25:57,696
provide information that would

4426
02:25:58,980 --> 02:25:59,230
cause safety issues it's more

4427
02:26:00,980 --> 02:26:01,230
about understanding the impact

4428
02:26:02,980 --> 02:26:03,230
on the budget on the amount of

4429
02:26:04,980 --> 02:26:05,230
information that we have how

4430
02:26:08,513 --> 02:26:08,763
like a sort of a discussion to

4431
02:26:09,213 --> 02:26:09,463
find out if we as the

4432
02:26:10,680 --> 02:26:10,930
legislature need to be doing

4433
02:26:11,246 --> 02:26:11,496
more to support

4434
02:26:13,580 --> 02:26:13,830
thank you I appreciate that

4435
02:26:14,913 --> 02:26:15,163
you

4436
02:26:18,680 --> 02:26:18,930
m emb ers any additional

4437
02:26:19,213 --> 02:26:19,463
questions

4438
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:21,530
seen on it at this time I'd like

4439
02:26:23,146 --> 02:26:23,396
to entertain a motion to request

4440
02:26:23,813 --> 02:26:24,063
a drafting of a bill

4441
02:26:26,680 --> 02:26:26,930
as indicated by vicechair

4442
02:26:27,246 --> 02:26:27,496
consonant

4443
02:26:33,613 --> 02:26:33,863
ed er ne has made that motion to

4444
02:26:34,280 --> 02:26:34,530
have a second

4445
02:26:38,780 --> 02:26:39,030
assembly member flanagan has

4446
02:26:39,380 --> 02:26:39,630
seconded that motion members any

4447
02:26:40,046 --> 02:26:40,296
discussion

4448
02:26:42,646 --> 02:26:42,896
seeing none

4449
02:27:03,246 --> 02:27:03,496
this time at like 2 I've taken

4450
02:27:04,980 --> 02:27:05,230
the motion I've seconded it no

4451
02:27:06,746 --> 02:27:06,996
comment all those in favor

4452
02:27:07,546 --> 02:27:07,796
please signify by saying ii

4453
02:27:08,113 --> 02:27:08,363
those against say nay

4454
02:27:10,713 --> 02:27:10,963
motion carries unanimously

4455
02:27:13,446 --> 02:27:13,696
Next we'll move on to agenda

4456
02:27:14,113 --> 02:27:14,363
excuse me item number6.

4457
02:27:18,513 --> 02:27:18,763
photo record againstins but with

4458
02:27:20,713 --> 02:27:20,963
the recent division of thelCB

4459
02:27:23,013 --> 02:27:23,263
item6 D6 is to request a

4460
02:27:23,513 --> 02:27:23,763
draft of a bill provides

4461
02:27:24,846 --> 02:27:25,096
provisions relating to peace

4462
02:27:27,113 --> 02:27:27,363
officers labor organizations

4463
02:27:27,713 --> 02:27:27,963
including topics such as

4464
02:27:28,780 --> 02:27:29,030
collective bargaining,

4465
02:27:30,513 --> 02:27:30,763
disciplinary procedures and

4466
02:27:32,513 --> 02:27:32,763
transparency in certain personal

4467
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:33,530
that matters was based on

4468
02:27:34,746 --> 02:27:34,996
information presented by the

4469
02:27:36,513 --> 02:27:36,763
public safetyines of Nevada on

4470
02:27:37,413 --> 02:27:37,663
July9th,2026. Thank you chair.

4471
02:27:42,746 --> 02:27:42,996
Members before we continue with

4472
02:27:44,513 --> 02:27:44,763
this particular item I did want

4473
02:27:45,213 --> 02:27:45,463
to provide some further context

4474
02:27:46,980 --> 02:27:47,230
I know earlier during public

4475
02:27:48,946 --> 02:27:49,196
comment we had an opportunity to

4476
02:27:50,480 --> 02:27:50,730
hear from some of our of our

4477
02:27:51,446 --> 02:27:51,696
partners up in northern Nevada.

4478
02:27:52,980 --> 02:27:53,230
I wanted to make it abundantly

4479
02:27:54,980 --> 02:27:55,230
clear that we will not move

4480
02:27:56,980 --> 02:27:57,230
forward with this item should

4481
02:27:58,513 --> 02:27:58,763
there not be a meeting of the

4482
02:28:00,713 --> 02:28:00,963
minds between admin and labor.

4483
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:02,730
I've had an opportunity to speak

4484
02:28:03,213 --> 02:28:03,463
both with Captain Martinez and

4485
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:05,530
Mr Adrian Hunt and to make

4486
02:28:07,280 --> 02:28:07,530
that abundantly clear this is

4487
02:28:08,746 --> 02:28:08,996
only to allow them an

4488
02:28:09,180 --> 02:28:09,430
opportunity to continue to meet

4489
02:28:12,746 --> 02:28:12,996
with for example Mr John Abel

4490
02:28:14,513 --> 02:28:14,763
who came and presented some of

4491
02:28:16,746 --> 02:28:16,996
their concerns that they had. it

4492
02:28:18,513 --> 02:28:18,763
is true that at that time we did

4493
02:28:20,746 --> 02:28:20,996
not have an an opposing

4494
02:28:23,246 --> 02:28:23,496
viewpoint from admman or any

4495
02:28:25,346 --> 02:28:25,596
other really agency and law

4496
02:28:25,946 --> 02:28:26,196
enforcement

4497
02:28:29,113 --> 02:28:29,363
there were we considered the

4498
02:28:30,746 --> 02:28:30,996
opportunity of having that

4499
02:28:32,513 --> 02:28:32,763
conversation today but rather

4500
02:28:33,180 --> 02:28:33,430
than having a full blown

4501
02:28:35,246 --> 02:28:35,496
presentation we thought it just

4502
02:28:36,980 --> 02:28:37,230
would make sense that they

4503
02:28:38,746 --> 02:28:38,996
provide something in writing I

4504
02:28:39,446 --> 02:28:39,696
think everybody's had an

4505
02:28:40,546 --> 02:28:40,796
opportunity to review some of

4506
02:28:42,746 --> 02:28:42,996
their concerns and then allow

4507
02:28:44,746 --> 02:28:44,996
them to meet and continue to

4508
02:28:46,746 --> 02:28:46,996
work together. if there's no

4509
02:28:48,513 --> 02:28:48,763
meeting of the minds we simply

4510
02:28:49,180 --> 02:28:49,430
do not move forward. this is not

4511
02:28:52,513 --> 02:28:52,763
intended to force an a

4512
02:28:54,746 --> 02:28:54,996
conversation or force the arm of

4513
02:28:55,513 --> 02:28:55,763
one side or the other if there's

4514
02:28:56,180 --> 02:28:56,430
something we can work together

4515
02:28:58,780 --> 02:28:59,030
on this committee will entertain

4516
02:29:00,780 --> 02:29:01,030
it if we can't get there then we

4517
02:29:03,013 --> 02:29:03,263
simply will not move a bill so I

4518
02:29:04,480 --> 02:29:04,730
just wanted to make that

4519
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:05,530
publicly clear that that is the

4520
02:29:07,280 --> 02:29:07,530
intent to allow them to continue

4521
02:29:08,813 --> 02:29:09,063
to work together if they get

4522
02:29:09,380 --> 02:29:09,630
their great

4523
02:29:11,246 --> 02:29:11,496
and if they can't which at times

4524
02:29:13,246 --> 02:29:13,496
happens we simply don't continue

4525
02:29:14,846 --> 02:29:15,096
to move forward with that

4526
02:29:15,413 --> 02:29:15,663
recommendation

4527
02:29:17,213 --> 02:29:17,463
with that said at this time

4528
02:29:20,746 --> 02:29:20,996
I'd like to entertain a motion

4529
02:29:23,313 --> 02:29:23,563
to request the drafting of a

4530
02:29:26,513 --> 02:29:26,763
bill item6 in relation to the

4531
02:29:27,213 --> 02:29:27,463
conversations that were brought

4532
02:29:29,213 --> 02:29:29,463
forth by the public Safety

4533
02:29:30,646 --> 02:29:30,896
alliance of Nevada on July92026.

4534
02:29:36,680 --> 02:29:36,930
vicechair has made the motion.

4535
02:29:37,380 --> 02:29:37,630
Do I have a second?

4536
02:29:44,746 --> 02:29:44,996
Senator Neal has seconded that

4537
02:29:45,346 --> 02:29:45,596
motion members any discussion

4538
02:29:49,646 --> 02:29:49,896
seeing none all those in favor

4539
02:29:50,346 --> 02:29:50,596
please signify by saying aye

4540
02:29:53,146 --> 02:29:53,396
those again say nay

4541
02:29:54,713 --> 02:29:54,963
nay

4542
02:29:58,513 --> 02:29:58,763
please let the record reflect

4543
02:30:00,513 --> 02:30:00,763
that senator Senator

4544
02:30:02,513 --> 02:30:02,763
Crassner is an a

4545
02:30:04,980 --> 02:30:05,230
motion carries and senator I

4546
02:30:06,746 --> 02:30:06,996
promise you that if there's no

4547
02:30:08,513 --> 02:30:08,763
consensus you won't even see

4548
02:30:09,146 --> 02:30:09,396
this bill next session, promise.

4549
02:30:12,880 --> 02:30:13,130
next on the item

4550
02:30:17,313 --> 02:30:17,563
is item number7 under D

4551
02:30:17,780 --> 02:30:18,030
please

4552
02:30:20,980 --> 02:30:21,230
but a record againinspek with a

4553
02:30:24,513 --> 02:30:24,763
research vision of thelCB D7

4554
02:30:25,246 --> 02:30:25,496
is requests the drafting of a

4555
02:30:26,980 --> 02:30:27,230
bill to address potential

4556
02:30:29,246 --> 02:30:29,496
liability issues arising from

4557
02:30:31,013 --> 02:30:31,263
memorandum of the standings

4558
02:30:32,513 --> 02:30:32,763
between local law enforcement

4559
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:33,530
agencies and federal agencies

4560
02:30:34,780 --> 02:30:35,030
relating to immigration

4561
02:30:36,913 --> 02:30:37,163
enforcement this was the request

4562
02:30:37,613 --> 02:30:37,863
from chairir Flores thank

4563
02:30:38,146 --> 02:30:38,396
you.

4564
02:30:40,746 --> 02:30:40,996
members as you may recall at the

4565
02:30:42,746 --> 02:30:42,996
last meeting we had a

4566
02:30:43,280 --> 02:30:43,530
conversation and we had an

4567
02:30:45,213 --> 02:30:45,463
opportunity to hear from the

4568
02:30:46,713 --> 02:30:46,963
officefice of new Americans we

4569
02:30:48,713 --> 02:30:48,963
had the the director present

4570
02:30:49,446 --> 02:30:49,696
and one of the questions that I

4571
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:51,530
asked during that

4572
02:30:53,013 --> 02:30:53,263
presentation was whether or not

4573
02:30:55,046 --> 02:30:55,296
we were ever shifting liability

4574
02:30:57,280 --> 02:30:57,530
as you recall in that

4575
02:30:59,246 --> 02:30:59,496
specific meeting they indicated

4576
02:31:00,780 --> 02:31:01,030
that they were taking on some

4577
02:31:03,046 --> 02:31:03,296
new responsibilities dealing

4578
02:31:04,746 --> 02:31:04,996
with particular vulnerable

4579
02:31:05,346 --> 02:31:05,596
members of the community

4580
02:31:07,346 --> 02:31:07,596
involving even including

4581
02:31:11,013 --> 02:31:11,263
asyless etc. and younger

4582
02:31:12,746 --> 02:31:12,996
members of the population. One

4583
02:31:14,480 --> 02:31:14,730
of the questions that I asked is

4584
02:31:15,246 --> 02:31:15,496
if in assuming that

4585
02:31:16,980 --> 02:31:17,230
responsibility to the office of

4586
02:31:18,946 --> 02:31:19,196
the new Americans also took on

4587
02:31:20,513 --> 02:31:20,763
liability where it would be

4588
02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:21,530
shifted from the federal

4589
02:31:22,780 --> 02:31:23,030
government to the state they

4590
02:31:24,780 --> 02:31:25,030
indicated no, which I think

4591
02:31:26,513 --> 02:31:26,763
should be the the general

4592
02:31:28,513 --> 02:31:28,763
practice if we're gonna be

4593
02:31:29,046 --> 02:31:29,296
engaging in activity

4594
02:31:31,013 --> 02:31:31,263
where we're gonna take on the

4595
02:31:32,713 --> 02:31:32,963
job of the federal government

4596
02:31:33,313 --> 02:31:33,563
think the federal government

4597
02:31:34,513 --> 02:31:34,763
should continue to hold all

4598
02:31:36,513 --> 02:31:36,763
liability when it's the state

4599
02:31:37,080 --> 02:31:37,330
assisting them in doing their

4600
02:31:38,646 --> 02:31:38,896
job. So based on that

4601
02:31:41,113 --> 02:31:41,363
mimicking what I saw there

4602
02:31:44,946 --> 02:31:45,196
I I requested that we put

4603
02:31:46,980 --> 02:31:47,230
specifically ensure that when we

4604
02:31:48,780 --> 02:31:49,030
are entering into into these

4605
02:31:50,980 --> 02:31:51,230
MOUs and if we're going to be

4606
02:31:52,513 --> 02:31:52,763
cooperating that we're not

4607
02:31:53,213 --> 02:31:53,463
shifting the liability to the

4608
02:31:55,013 --> 02:31:55,263
state. the federal government is

4609
02:31:56,980 --> 02:31:57,230
asking us to help them. they

4610
02:31:58,480 --> 02:31:58,730
need to continue to hold on to

4611
02:32:00,480 --> 02:32:00,730
the liability should anything

4612
02:32:01,180 --> 02:32:01,430
ever happen somebody is hurt,

4613
02:32:02,980 --> 02:32:03,230
there's a lawsuit etc. the

4614
02:32:03,580 --> 02:32:03,830
federal government should be

4615
02:32:05,146 --> 02:32:05,396
taking on that role not the

4616
02:32:05,713 --> 02:32:05,963
state.

4617
02:32:07,146 --> 02:32:07,396
with that I'd like to

4618
02:32:07,646 --> 02:32:07,896
entertain emotion

4619
02:32:08,980 --> 02:32:09,230
for item se

4620
02:32:14,480 --> 02:32:14,730
vicechair conident has made the

4621
02:32:16,480 --> 02:32:16,730
motion to request a drafting

4622
02:32:17,046 --> 02:32:17,296
item7. do have a second?

4623
02:32:20,513 --> 02:32:20,763
Senator Neal has seconded that

4624
02:32:21,180 --> 02:32:21,430
motion members any discussion

4625
02:32:21,846 --> 02:32:22,096
assembly member Co please

4626
02:32:26,513 --> 02:32:26,763
thank you chair so I just

4627
02:32:28,480 --> 02:32:28,730
have a question and I I

4628
02:32:29,180 --> 02:32:29,430
appreciate the the liability

4629
02:32:31,413 --> 02:32:31,663
aspect but is there is there any

4630
02:32:32,746 --> 02:32:32,996
concern that it would

4631
02:32:34,980 --> 02:32:35,230
functionally limit or discourage

4632
02:32:36,746 --> 02:32:36,996
local agencies from entering

4633
02:32:38,746 --> 02:32:38,996
into cooperative agreements with

4634
02:32:40,746 --> 02:32:40,996
with any federal agencies or is

4635
02:32:41,380 --> 02:32:41,630
it just immigration as well?

4636
02:32:43,513 --> 02:32:43,763
so

4637
02:32:48,713 --> 02:32:48,963
this would be any any M we use

4638
02:32:49,380 --> 02:32:49,630
specifically being entered into

4639
02:32:53,313 --> 02:32:53,563
where we are asked we are being

4640
02:32:54,013 --> 02:32:54,263
asked to take on

4641
02:32:57,080 --> 02:32:57,330
the federal the federal

4642
02:32:57,546 --> 02:32:57,796
government

4643
02:33:00,480 --> 02:33:00,730
liability so this is not

4644
02:33:02,946 --> 02:33:03,196
meant in any way to discourage

4645
02:33:07,046 --> 02:33:07,296
states from engaging in an MOU

4646
02:33:07,713 --> 02:33:07,963
because we are saying

4647
02:33:10,713 --> 02:33:10,963
if you want us to do something

4648
02:33:11,413 --> 02:33:11,663
to help you we want to make sure

4649
02:33:12,946 --> 02:33:13,196
that the liabilities is not

4650
02:33:14,513 --> 02:33:14,763
being shifted over to us. so in

4651
02:33:16,513 --> 02:33:16,763
other words we are not

4652
02:33:18,513 --> 02:33:18,763
penalizing the agency for doing

4653
02:33:20,480 --> 02:33:20,730
that we are just making sure

4654
02:33:21,380 --> 02:33:21,630
that we're not taking on the

4655
02:33:21,946 --> 02:33:22,196
liability aspect of it

4656
02:33:24,913 --> 02:33:25,163
a hypothetical would be

4657
02:33:27,380 --> 02:33:27,630
law enforcement enters into an

4658
02:33:28,046 --> 02:33:28,296
MOU

4659
02:33:30,946 --> 02:33:31,196
at the at the state level with

4660
02:33:32,780 --> 02:33:33,030
the federal government engaging

4661
02:33:34,513 --> 02:33:34,763
in that conduct and helping the

4662
02:33:35,213 --> 02:33:35,463
federal government somebody gets

4663
02:33:38,480 --> 02:33:38,730
hurt. that person who's hurt

4664
02:33:40,513 --> 02:33:40,763
sues the state agency. I want to

4665
02:33:41,246 --> 02:33:41,496
make sure that they're suing the

4666
02:33:42,713 --> 02:33:42,963
federal government because we're

4667
02:33:44,513 --> 02:33:44,763
in we're in essence helping them

4668
02:33:45,213 --> 02:33:45,463
doing their job. I think they

4669
02:33:46,680 --> 02:33:46,930
should continue to hold on to

4670
02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:47,530
the liability

4671
02:33:49,580 --> 02:33:49,830
thank you for that clarification

4672
02:33:52,713 --> 02:33:52,963
thank you members any additional

4673
02:33:53,380 --> 02:33:53,630
discussion

4674
02:33:56,513 --> 02:33:56,763
seeing none all those in favor

4675
02:33:57,580 --> 02:33:57,830
please signify by saying i those

4676
02:33:58,246 --> 02:33:58,496
against say nay

4677
02:34:02,980 --> 02:34:03,230
motion carries unanimously. Next

4678
02:34:05,113 --> 02:34:05,363
we'll move on to item E as in

4679
02:34:08,713 --> 02:34:08,963
editor. I use myself

4680
02:34:11,080 --> 02:34:11,330
number8 Mr Stinisbec please

4681
02:34:17,013 --> 02:34:17,263
ajansen has a record E8 request

4682
02:34:18,713 --> 02:34:18,963
to request a drafting of a bill

4683
02:34:20,513 --> 02:34:20,763
to establish standards for the

4684
02:34:21,513 --> 02:34:21,763
use of artificial intelligence

4685
02:34:22,746 --> 02:34:22,996
by state and local government

4686
02:34:24,780 --> 02:34:25,030
entities including requirements

4687
02:34:26,513 --> 02:34:26,763
relating to transparency and

4688
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:27,530
accountability, protections

4689
02:34:29,013 --> 02:34:29,263
against bias and automated

4690
02:34:30,746 --> 02:34:30,996
decision making as well as at

4691
02:34:31,346 --> 02:34:31,596
the request ofer me thank you

4692
02:34:31,946 --> 02:34:32,196
chair.

4693
02:34:36,480 --> 02:34:36,730
thank you and members as you

4694
02:34:38,713 --> 02:34:38,963
all may recall in the past we've

4695
02:34:39,446 --> 02:34:39,696
already engaged in this

4696
02:34:41,413 --> 02:34:41,663
particular conversation. the

4697
02:34:42,980 --> 02:34:43,230
biggest concern that we've taken

4698
02:34:44,980 --> 02:34:45,230
on in the past two years but

4699
02:34:46,980 --> 02:34:47,230
really for more than that is

4700
02:34:48,713 --> 02:34:48,963
anytime that Ai is being

4701
02:34:51,180 --> 02:34:51,430
utilized to make decisions on

4702
02:34:52,946 --> 02:34:53,196
whether to grant you a benefit

4703
02:34:54,980 --> 02:34:55,230
or not deny you a benefit or not

4704
02:34:58,513 --> 02:34:58,763
and those situations we want

4705
02:34:59,080 --> 02:34:59,330
to make sure that there is a

4706
02:35:01,013 --> 02:35:01,263
human that ultimately is making

4707
02:35:01,646 --> 02:35:01,896
these decisions. We've engaged

4708
02:35:02,246 --> 02:35:02,496
in that conversation

4709
02:35:03,846 --> 02:35:04,096
already in the past

4710
02:35:06,980 --> 02:35:07,230
however it's been brought to

4711
02:35:08,513 --> 02:35:08,763
our attention that it appears

4712
02:35:09,180 --> 02:35:09,430
that there's still some

4713
02:35:11,213 --> 02:35:11,463
situations where after there's a

4714
02:35:14,746 --> 02:35:14,996
denial of a benefit or some type

4715
02:35:16,946 --> 02:35:17,196
of service that the appeal

4716
02:35:19,013 --> 02:35:19,263
process does that allow you to

4717
02:35:21,180 --> 02:35:21,430
specifically engage in in in in

4718
02:35:24,513 --> 02:35:24,763
speaking with either the agency

4719
02:35:25,246 --> 02:35:25,496
itself or with an actual person

4720
02:35:26,946 --> 02:35:27,196
it automatically shuts you down.

4721
02:35:28,980 --> 02:35:29,230
we may be able to address those

4722
02:35:31,013 --> 02:35:31,263
issues and it might just be a

4723
02:35:33,346 --> 02:35:33,596
problem with a specific system

4724
02:35:34,046 --> 02:35:34,296
that's being used or things like

4725
02:35:36,146 --> 02:35:36,396
that in addition to that however

4726
02:35:39,246 --> 02:35:39,496
I know there is other

4727
02:35:41,246 --> 02:35:41,496
concerns that were also raised

4728
02:35:43,246 --> 02:35:43,496
by senator Neal and I wanted to

4729
02:35:44,780 --> 02:35:45,030
give her an opportunity to bring

4730
02:35:46,746 --> 02:35:46,996
some of those forward thank you

4731
02:35:48,813 --> 02:35:49,063
chair. so some of the things

4732
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:49,730
that

4733
02:35:52,513 --> 02:35:52,763
I definitely you know if the end

4734
02:35:53,180 --> 02:35:53,430
result of this bill is

4735
02:35:55,213 --> 02:35:55,463
ultimately an audit on

4736
02:35:56,980 --> 02:35:57,230
government agencies that are

4737
02:35:58,980 --> 02:35:59,230
using AI so we can determine the

4738
02:36:00,713 --> 02:36:00,963
level of hallucinations that are

4739
02:36:02,713 --> 02:36:02,963
happening the failures and the

4740
02:36:04,746 --> 02:36:04,996
automation bias that may be

4741
02:36:07,246 --> 02:36:07,496
occurring how many errors

4742
02:36:08,946 --> 02:36:09,196
where there was a need for

4743
02:36:12,746 --> 02:36:12,996
a human response but the human

4744
02:36:14,513 --> 02:36:14,763
response did not occur and it

4745
02:36:16,513 --> 02:36:16,763
was just a continued automated

4746
02:36:17,213 --> 02:36:17,463
response where a person was not

4747
02:36:20,713 --> 02:36:20,963
able to actually get a problem

4748
02:36:22,746 --> 02:36:22,996
solved there was also a

4749
02:36:25,546 --> 02:36:25,796
recent issue where privacy

4750
02:36:29,113 --> 02:36:29,363
I would say privacy

4751
02:36:34,513 --> 02:36:34,763
request change from the user

4752
02:36:35,246 --> 02:36:35,496
specifically on financial data

4753
02:36:38,713 --> 02:36:38,963
where there was if the if the

4754
02:36:40,746 --> 02:36:40,996
information was being used that

4755
02:36:43,213 --> 02:36:43,463
there was a larger request to

4756
02:36:45,013 --> 02:36:45,263
give complete access to

4757
02:36:47,013 --> 02:36:47,263
financial information that the

4758
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:47,930
state may have

4759
02:36:52,480 --> 02:36:52,730
which then is actually causing a

4760
02:36:54,980 --> 02:36:55,230
shift where we may have to come

4761
02:36:56,746 --> 02:36:56,996
off of the cloud and then go

4762
02:36:58,980 --> 02:36:59,230
into the original servers that

4763
02:37:01,280 --> 02:37:01,530
we had before this was

4764
02:37:03,213 --> 02:37:03,463
something that came to my

4765
02:37:05,246 --> 02:37:05,496
attention a couple of months ago

4766
02:37:08,513 --> 02:37:08,763
and I think that it's high

4767
02:37:10,746 --> 02:37:10,996
time that although you know

4768
02:37:12,746 --> 02:37:12,996
folks see that there's a benefit

4769
02:37:14,480 --> 02:37:14,730
to make you know work more

4770
02:37:17,246 --> 02:37:17,496
efficient there is also some

4771
02:37:17,846 --> 02:37:18,096
risk that I think we need to eva

4772
02:37:20,980 --> 02:37:21,230
lu ate Majority of the

4773
02:37:23,246 --> 02:37:23,496
government agencies that took on

4774
02:37:27,046 --> 02:37:27,296
an Ai system did so

4775
02:37:29,246 --> 02:37:29,496
without statutory action. they

4776
02:37:33,246 --> 02:37:33,496
did it under a agency

4777
02:37:36,513 --> 02:37:36,763
demonstration and then continue

4778
02:37:38,513 --> 02:37:38,763
to use it after they had their

4779
02:37:40,513 --> 02:37:40,763
demonstration project and

4780
02:37:42,746 --> 02:37:42,996
continued to participate and I

4781
02:37:44,513 --> 02:37:44,763
think it's high time that we

4782
02:37:46,846 --> 02:37:47,096
start to evaluate uses

4783
02:37:50,946 --> 02:37:51,196
public access and exclusion

4784
02:37:54,480 --> 02:37:54,730
risks that may be created if

4785
02:37:55,446 --> 02:37:55,696
there is any kind of public

4786
02:37:58,880 --> 02:37:59,130
sector role displacement or

4787
02:38:03,013 --> 02:38:03,263
groups that might be digitally

4788
02:38:05,246 --> 02:38:05,496
excluded because now they're

4789
02:38:07,213 --> 02:38:07,463
using the AI system within

4790
02:38:10,513 --> 02:38:10,763
government network where

4791
02:38:11,246 --> 02:38:11,496
normally a person could pick up

4792
02:38:12,513 --> 02:38:12,763
the phone and just address your

4793
02:38:15,146 --> 02:38:15,396
problem. so we'll see it'll be

4794
02:38:15,813 --> 02:38:16,063
an interesting BDr

4795
02:38:17,113 --> 02:38:17,363
thank you chair

4796
02:38:18,846 --> 02:38:19,096
with that

4797
02:38:22,746 --> 02:38:22,996
I'd like to entertain a motion

4798
02:38:23,613 --> 02:38:23,863
of to request the drafting of

4799
02:38:24,280 --> 02:38:24,530
the bill

4800
02:38:25,213 --> 02:38:25,463
item8

4801
02:38:32,513 --> 02:38:32,763
assembly memberwyn has made the

4802
02:38:34,513 --> 02:38:34,763
motion assembly member

4803
02:38:35,346 --> 02:38:35,596
Flanagan has second that members

4804
02:38:36,013 --> 02:38:36,263
any discussion

4805
02:38:37,346 --> 02:38:37,596
assembly member called please

4806
02:38:41,180 --> 02:38:41,430
this is my last one I promise.

4807
02:38:44,513 --> 02:38:44,763
and it's really a a question

4808
02:38:46,780 --> 02:38:47,030
so as I understand it there

4809
02:38:48,946 --> 02:38:49,196
was an executive order signed in

4810
02:38:50,946 --> 02:38:51,196
december of 2025 it was

4811
02:38:55,213 --> 02:38:55,463
number14365 it directed the

4812
02:38:55,746 --> 02:38:55,996
department of Commerce to

4813
02:38:58,480 --> 02:38:58,730
identify state AI laws deemed

4814
02:39:00,713 --> 02:39:00,963
quote unquote onerous and

4815
02:39:03,013 --> 02:39:03,263
condition nondeployment bead

4816
02:39:04,980 --> 02:39:05,230
broadband funds in connection to

4817
02:39:06,980 --> 02:39:07,230
those ownerous laws specifically

4818
02:39:08,680 --> 02:39:08,930
citing bias mitigation and

4819
02:39:09,246 --> 02:39:09,496
antidiscrimination mandates

4820
02:39:11,213 --> 02:39:11,463
as an example. So I'm just a

4821
02:39:13,213 --> 02:39:13,463
little concerned that inside of

4822
02:39:14,780 --> 02:39:15,030
the recommendations language

4823
02:39:16,513 --> 02:39:16,763
we've got protections against

4824
02:39:17,246 --> 02:39:17,496
bias in automated decision

4825
02:39:20,780 --> 02:39:21,030
making and and I know

4826
02:39:22,513 --> 02:39:22,763
thatsenator Neal probably knows

4827
02:39:23,246 --> 02:39:23,496
a lot more about the bead

4828
02:39:25,013 --> 02:39:25,263
funding and and how much this is

4829
02:39:26,746 --> 02:39:26,996
then I do but I just want to

4830
02:39:27,380 --> 02:39:27,630
make sure that we're very

4831
02:39:29,246 --> 02:39:29,496
careful in the drafting of this

4832
02:39:30,646 --> 02:39:30,896
that we avoid that

4833
02:39:35,246 --> 02:39:35,496
thank you so

4834
02:39:38,513 --> 02:39:38,763
one of the probably first things

4835
02:39:39,146 --> 02:39:39,396
I did probably when the

4836
02:39:40,746 --> 02:39:40,996
executive orders started

4837
02:39:42,480 --> 02:39:42,730
dropping out is to get a

4838
02:39:44,480 --> 02:39:44,730
determination on how far the

4839
02:39:47,046 --> 02:39:47,296
state needed to usurp its own

4840
02:39:49,013 --> 02:39:49,263
you know position under enth

4841
02:39:51,046 --> 02:39:51,296
Amendment to see how much we

4842
02:39:53,013 --> 02:39:53,263
needed to follow, right? because

4843
02:39:54,946 --> 02:39:55,196
an executive order although

4844
02:39:58,980 --> 02:39:59,230
may state its suggestions might

4845
02:40:01,013 --> 02:40:01,263
not necessarily tie the hand

4846
02:40:03,246 --> 02:40:03,496
specifically of a state also

4847
02:40:04,746 --> 02:40:04,996
within that be funding because

4848
02:40:06,513 --> 02:40:06,763
we had a huge conversation on

4849
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:09,530
that and finance where it

4850
02:40:11,246 --> 02:40:11,496
turned out that the bee some

4851
02:40:12,780 --> 02:40:13,030
of also some of the bead

4852
02:40:15,246 --> 02:40:15,496
executive direction or rule

4853
02:40:17,580 --> 02:40:17,830
that came out basically told

4854
02:40:22,513 --> 02:40:22,763
state agencies that they no

4855
02:40:25,246 --> 02:40:25,496
longer had to pay attention to

4856
02:40:27,246 --> 02:40:27,496
communities that were being

4857
02:40:28,746 --> 02:40:28,996
affected and go out and actually

4858
02:40:30,746 --> 02:40:30,996
have public comment with tribes

4859
02:40:33,013 --> 02:40:33,263
or any other group that might

4860
02:40:34,680 --> 02:40:34,930
not be

4861
02:40:37,280 --> 02:40:37,530
that could be a part of the

4862
02:40:39,013 --> 02:40:39,263
digital divide or community of

4863
02:40:41,213 --> 02:40:41,463
color. so those particular

4864
02:40:44,513 --> 02:40:44,763
nuanced pieces where they were

4865
02:40:45,246 --> 02:40:45,496
supposed to you know do a wide

4866
02:40:48,513 --> 02:40:48,763
breath and conversation within

4867
02:40:50,746 --> 02:40:50,996
the bead executive order

4868
02:40:51,313 --> 02:40:51,563
because that's a very different

4869
02:40:53,246 --> 02:40:53,496
thing than the AI executive

4870
02:40:56,746 --> 02:40:56,996
order there were very

4871
02:40:58,746 --> 02:40:58,996
distinct changes to the rules

4872
02:40:59,380 --> 02:40:59,630
and how they needed to

4873
02:41:01,213 --> 02:41:01,463
communicate with communities if

4874
02:41:02,780 --> 02:41:03,030
we're specifically talking about

4875
02:41:04,713 --> 02:41:04,963
the bead executive order

4876
02:41:05,246 --> 02:41:05,496
versus

4877
02:41:07,480 --> 02:41:07,730
the AI executive order that came

4878
02:41:08,846 --> 02:41:09,096
down and so at the end of the

4879
02:41:09,513 --> 02:41:09,763
day

4880
02:41:13,113 --> 02:41:13,363
I don't recall a statute being

4881
02:41:13,780 --> 02:41:14,030
created

4882
02:41:15,246 --> 02:41:15,496
that

4883
02:41:20,780 --> 02:41:21,030
set out to allow all agencies to

4884
02:41:22,780 --> 02:41:23,030
completely adapt it started as a

4885
02:41:24,513 --> 02:41:24,763
demonstration and then they

4886
02:41:26,980 --> 02:41:27,230
continued to build in and then

4887
02:41:29,280 --> 02:41:29,530
it became a part of like fordier

4888
02:41:31,213 --> 02:41:31,463
their appeals process for

4889
02:41:33,246 --> 02:41:33,496
other agencies it became part of

4890
02:41:35,046 --> 02:41:35,296
the phone system and so

4891
02:41:35,813 --> 02:41:36,063
if

4892
02:41:39,546 --> 02:41:39,796
I just think it's worth taking a

4893
02:41:41,280 --> 02:41:41,530
look at where we're at what's

4894
02:41:44,513 --> 02:41:44,763
going on as Ai is developing

4895
02:41:46,480 --> 02:41:46,730
very quickly it's also

4896
02:41:48,513 --> 02:41:48,763
developing its own automation

4897
02:41:51,213 --> 02:41:51,463
under what is called agPU system

4898
02:41:54,513 --> 02:41:54,763
which allows for the AI system

4899
02:41:56,513 --> 02:41:56,763
to basically as everyone knows

4900
02:41:59,013 --> 02:41:59,263
learns learn on itself but also

4901
02:42:01,313 --> 02:42:01,563
to the degree where it is

4902
02:42:03,013 --> 02:42:03,263
getting to the point where it no

4903
02:42:05,046 --> 02:42:05,296
longer requires a human being

4904
02:42:06,680 --> 02:42:06,930
necessarily to participate in

4905
02:42:07,346 --> 02:42:07,596
those decision

4906
02:42:10,780 --> 02:42:11,030
s and so like I said if the end

4907
02:42:12,513 --> 02:42:12,763
result of this bill is simply

4908
02:42:14,746 --> 02:42:14,996
auditing the behaviors of the

4909
02:42:16,513 --> 02:42:16,763
government agencies in which we

4910
02:42:18,746 --> 02:42:18,996
fund with taxpayer dollars to

4911
02:42:19,413 --> 02:42:19,663
make sure that number one

4912
02:42:22,780 --> 02:42:23,030
they're giving appropriate

4913
02:42:24,480 --> 02:42:24,730
access that they're also the

4914
02:42:25,480 --> 02:42:25,730
human beings who are expected to

4915
02:42:28,513 --> 02:42:28,763
monitor and pay attention to the

4916
02:42:30,746 --> 02:42:30,996
decisions made by the AI system

4917
02:42:32,746 --> 02:42:32,996
is actually happening with

4918
02:42:35,013 --> 02:42:35,263
fidelity and not and not

4919
02:42:36,746 --> 02:42:36,996
happening in a way where it's

4920
02:42:37,480 --> 02:42:37,730
like what I'm assuming it's

4921
02:42:39,013 --> 02:42:39,263
right because it was programmed

4922
02:42:41,246 --> 02:42:41,496
to be right even though we know

4923
02:42:42,746 --> 02:42:42,996
that it's subject to

4924
02:42:44,780 --> 02:42:45,030
hallucinations and potentially

4925
02:42:46,746 --> 02:42:46,996
making decisions that might not

4926
02:42:49,013 --> 02:42:49,263
actually have been the legal

4927
02:42:49,646 --> 02:42:49,896
decision that the statute

4928
02:42:54,480 --> 02:42:54,730
says it should be and so we

4929
02:42:55,446 --> 02:42:55,696
haven't had a chance to look. I

4930
02:42:57,013 --> 02:42:57,263
think we should look under the

4931
02:42:59,213 --> 02:42:59,463
hood of every government agency

4932
02:43:02,513 --> 02:43:02,763
that is using AI we should also

4933
02:43:04,980 --> 02:43:05,230
make sure that all privacy and

4934
02:43:06,713 --> 02:43:06,963
financial data within the

4935
02:43:08,780 --> 02:43:09,030
government is protected and not

4936
02:43:10,780 --> 02:43:11,030
subject to any kind of privacy

4937
02:43:12,513 --> 02:43:12,763
agreement just because it was

4938
02:43:14,980 --> 02:43:15,230
changed midstream and now we're

4939
02:43:16,746 --> 02:43:16,996
subject to it because we're now

4940
02:43:18,746 --> 02:43:18,996
on their cloud network so these

4941
02:43:19,446 --> 02:43:19,696
are just the things that I'm

4942
02:43:20,013 --> 02:43:20,263
aware of

4943
02:43:23,013 --> 02:43:23,263
but as the bill opens up and the

4944
02:43:24,780 --> 02:43:25,030
government agencies come to

4945
02:43:26,513 --> 02:43:26,763
government affairs to basically

4946
02:43:28,513 --> 02:43:28,763
say yaayy nay I hate this

4947
02:43:31,246 --> 02:43:31,496
billing's fine then ultimately

4948
02:43:32,980 --> 02:43:33,230
when they say everything's fine

4949
02:43:34,746 --> 02:43:34,996
then I'm gonna say there needs

4950
02:43:35,413 --> 02:43:35,663
to be an audit to make sure that

4951
02:43:36,080 --> 02:43:36,330
what you said is fine.

4952
02:43:37,280 --> 02:43:37,530
thank you chair

4953
02:43:43,613 --> 02:43:43,863
Members any additional questions

4954
02:43:44,280 --> 02:43:44,530
comments

4955
02:43:47,380 --> 02:43:47,630
seeing none

4956
02:43:54,713 --> 02:43:54,963
the se I'd like to entertain a

4957
02:43:55,413 --> 02:43:55,663
motion to

4958
02:43:58,746 --> 02:43:58,996
we did take the vote oh thank

4959
02:43:59,446 --> 02:43:59,696
you

4960
02:44:01,246 --> 02:44:01,496
all those in favor please

4961
02:44:04,846 --> 02:44:05,096
signify by saying i

4962
02:44:08,880 --> 02:44:09,130
I'm sorry senatorrazer was that

4963
02:44:09,546 --> 02:44:09,796
an i

4964
02:44:10,980 --> 02:44:11,230
thank you

4965
02:44:13,446 --> 02:44:13,696
all those in favor excuse me all

4966
02:44:14,646 --> 02:44:14,896
those again signify by saying

4967
02:44:15,313 --> 02:44:15,563
nay

4968
02:44:17,413 --> 02:44:17,663
seeing none motion carries

4969
02:44:17,946 --> 02:44:18,196
unanimously thank you

4970
02:44:20,746 --> 02:44:20,996
and last on our work session

4971
02:44:24,646 --> 02:44:24,896
document is item F as in rank 9

4972
02:44:25,346 --> 02:44:25,596
Mr Sinbeck please.

4973
02:44:27,180 --> 02:44:27,430
thank you chair for the

4974
02:44:29,246 --> 02:44:29,496
recordonsinspe's division of

4975
02:44:32,480 --> 02:44:32,730
thelCB F9 is to request the

4976
02:44:33,246 --> 02:44:33,496
draft of a bill to implement

4977
02:44:35,446 --> 02:44:35,696
recommendations of the public

4978
02:44:36,980 --> 02:44:37,230
records task force relating to

4979
02:44:38,746 --> 02:44:38,996
stration enforcement of the math

4980
02:44:40,746 --> 02:44:40,996
record law. This was based again

4981
02:44:42,713 --> 02:44:42,963
on information presented by the

4982
02:44:44,713 --> 02:44:44,963
task force on July9th and

4983
02:44:45,246 --> 02:44:45,496
subsequent recommendations.

4984
02:44:45,813 --> 02:44:46,063
thank you chair.

4985
02:44:48,680 --> 02:44:48,930
thank you for that

4986
02:44:51,246 --> 02:44:51,496
members before we get further

4987
02:44:52,746 --> 02:44:52,996
into it as you all know we do

4988
02:44:54,513 --> 02:44:54,763
have a a public records task

4989
02:44:56,513 --> 02:44:56,763
force that is meeting regularly

4990
02:44:58,980 --> 02:44:59,230
that includes both government

4991
02:45:02,980 --> 02:45:03,230
private actors and everything

4992
02:45:05,246 --> 02:45:05,496
in between that and they are at

4993
02:45:07,280 --> 02:45:07,530
times on polar opposite sides of

4994
02:45:09,246 --> 02:45:09,496
this conversation I've had an

4995
02:45:11,013 --> 02:45:11,263
opportunity to meet with folk

4996
02:45:12,780 --> 02:45:13,030
from government and media full

4997
02:45:14,480 --> 02:45:14,730
transparency who sit on that

4998
02:45:17,280 --> 02:45:17,530
task force and I've made it

4999
02:45:18,646 --> 02:45:18,896
abundantly clear that we are not

5000
02:45:22,780 --> 02:45:23,030
holding this BDR for any one

5001
02:45:23,413 --> 02:45:23,663
particular individual. we are

5002
02:45:25,013 --> 02:45:25,263
holding it in in hopes that the

5003
02:45:26,746 --> 02:45:26,996
the task force can find middle

5004
02:45:28,713 --> 02:45:28,963
ground and make a recommendation

5005
02:45:30,513 --> 02:45:30,763
that we can all work with

5006
02:45:31,246 --> 02:45:31,496
together. I think we have a

5007
02:45:33,246 --> 02:45:33,496
responsibility to be transparent

5008
02:45:34,946 --> 02:45:35,196
in government and that the

5009
02:45:36,513 --> 02:45:36,763
government excuse me that the

5010
02:45:37,246 --> 02:45:37,496
public have access to what

5011
02:45:39,013 --> 02:45:39,263
government is doing while at the

5012
02:45:41,046 --> 02:45:41,296
same time that we be mindful and

5013
02:45:42,746 --> 02:45:42,996
understand that at times oas can

5014
02:45:44,746 --> 02:45:44,996
be weaponized and they can be

5015
02:45:46,513 --> 02:45:46,763
excessive and and used in

5016
02:45:48,713 --> 02:45:48,963
certain ways against

5017
02:45:49,180 --> 02:45:49,430
different local

5018
02:45:51,213 --> 02:45:51,463
jurisdictions and we've seen it

5019
02:45:52,980 --> 02:45:53,230
happen time and time again. so

5020
02:45:54,513 --> 02:45:54,763
we're trying to be as helpful as

5021
02:45:56,513 --> 02:45:56,763
possible recognizing the

5022
02:45:58,513 --> 02:45:58,763
importance of transparency and

5023
02:45:59,213 --> 02:45:59,463
recognizing the the importance

5024
02:46:01,213 --> 02:46:01,463
of being able to fulfill these

5025
02:46:03,313 --> 02:46:03,563
requests so with that I'd

5026
02:46:03,880 --> 02:46:04,130
like to entertain a motion

5027
02:46:10,596 --> 02:46:10,846
by your confidant has moved

5028
02:46:11,113 --> 02:46:11,363
for the request of a drafting

5029
02:46:15,213 --> 02:46:15,463
item 9 assembly memberwynn has

5030
02:46:16,746 --> 02:46:16,996
second that members any

5031
02:46:19,013 --> 02:46:19,263
discussion or questions seeing

5032
02:46:20,513 --> 02:46:20,763
none all those in favor please

5033
02:46:22,846 --> 02:46:23,096
signify by saying ii those again

5034
02:46:23,546 --> 02:46:23,796
say nay

5035
02:46:25,746 --> 02:46:25,996
motion carries unanimously

5036
02:46:28,980 --> 02:46:29,230
I did say it was the last

5037
02:46:30,780 --> 02:46:31,030
item on the work session

5038
02:46:32,980 --> 02:46:33,230
document however, I wanted to

5039
02:46:34,513 --> 02:46:34,763
remind everybody that we did

5040
02:46:37,046 --> 02:46:37,296
have an opportunity today to

5041
02:46:39,546 --> 02:46:39,796
hear of a presentation by Mr

5042
02:46:40,146 --> 02:46:40,396
Warren Hardy

5043
02:46:44,713 --> 02:46:44,963
who discussed at length

5044
02:46:47,213 --> 02:46:47,463
yet another tool that we can put

5045
02:46:47,913 --> 02:46:48,163
in in

5046
02:46:50,980 --> 02:46:51,230
and in the effort of addressing

5047
02:46:52,746 --> 02:46:52,996
these vehicles that are

5048
02:46:54,946 --> 02:46:55,196
abandoned. I know it's an issue

5049
02:46:55,580 --> 02:46:55,830
in many of our districts

5050
02:46:58,480 --> 02:46:58,730
specifically Mr Warren Hardy

5051
02:47:00,480 --> 02:47:00,730
proposed the following amendment

5052
02:47:01,213 --> 02:47:01,463
the amendment would provide that

5053
02:47:02,946 --> 02:47:03,196
a licensed record may use

5054
02:47:06,480 --> 02:47:06,730
NrS487.105 to acquire and

5055
02:47:08,713 --> 02:47:08,963
process a nontitled vehicle only

5056
02:47:10,480 --> 02:47:10,730
when the additional bond

5057
02:47:12,713 --> 02:47:12,963
required by NrS487105 is in

5058
02:47:14,946 --> 02:47:15,196
place. the vehicles13+ years

5059
02:47:16,980 --> 02:47:17,230
old.ehi has not been registered

5060
02:47:19,213 --> 02:47:19,463
in Nevada for three years.e was

5061
02:47:20,946 --> 02:47:21,196
acquired only for disbantaging

5062
02:47:23,013 --> 02:47:23,263
scrap vehicle must be

5063
02:47:23,480 --> 02:47:23,730
transported by licensed bonded

5064
02:47:24,146 --> 02:47:24,396
racker

5065
02:47:26,680 --> 02:47:26,930
in addition to that

5066
02:47:30,513 --> 02:47:30,763
Mr Warren Hardy also wanted to

5067
02:47:32,513 --> 02:47:32,763
have cleanup language so that we

5068
02:47:33,213 --> 02:47:33,463
could have a definition for end

5069
02:47:34,746 --> 02:47:34,996
of life vehicle which means a

5070
02:47:35,380 --> 02:47:35,630
motor vehicle that has been

5071
02:47:37,246 --> 02:47:37,496
transferred to a licensed

5072
02:47:38,946 --> 02:47:39,196
automobile wrecker or salvage

5073
02:47:40,946 --> 02:47:41,196
pool for dismantling recycling

5074
02:47:42,713 --> 02:47:42,963
crushing tredding or disposal

5075
02:47:44,946 --> 02:47:45,196
disposal and for which the

5076
02:47:46,746 --> 02:47:46,996
vehicle identification number is

5077
02:47:47,413 --> 02:47:47,663
intended to be permanently

5078
02:47:49,013 --> 02:47:49,263
retired so that the vehicle may

5079
02:47:51,213 --> 02:47:51,463
no may not again be titled or

5080
02:47:53,213 --> 02:47:53,463
registered. I do appreciate the

5081
02:47:54,746 --> 02:47:54,996
fact that he worked with law

5082
02:47:56,513 --> 02:47:56,763
enforcement and local

5083
02:47:57,046 --> 02:47:57,296
jurisdictions along with the

5084
02:47:57,646 --> 02:47:57,896
private

5085
02:48:00,480 --> 02:48:00,730
sector to help us with this

5086
02:48:02,946 --> 02:48:03,196
this would be the10th and

5087
02:48:03,580 --> 02:48:03,830
last consideration for this

5088
02:48:04,113 --> 02:48:04,363
committee

5089
02:48:07,113 --> 02:48:07,363
and at this time I would like it

5090
02:48:07,780 --> 02:48:08,030
to entertain

5091
02:48:10,813 --> 02:48:11,063
the the proposal for this BDr

5092
02:48:18,746 --> 02:48:18,996
vicechair has made the motion

5093
02:48:19,346 --> 02:48:19,596
according to the presentation

5094
02:48:20,980 --> 02:48:21,230
and language provided by Mr

5095
02:48:22,913 --> 02:48:23,163
Warren Hardy and as I just

5096
02:48:23,446 --> 02:48:23,696
quickly read through it

5097
02:48:26,480 --> 02:48:26,730
assembly memberwyn has second

5098
02:48:27,146 --> 02:48:27,396
that members and he discussion

5099
02:48:27,813 --> 02:48:28,063
or questions

5100
02:48:31,213 --> 02:48:31,463
senator Neal please thank you

5101
02:48:35,013 --> 02:48:35,263
so it's an interesting policy

5102
02:48:36,746 --> 02:48:36,996
it's some it's one I'm gonna

5103
02:48:39,213 --> 02:48:39,463
watch hopefully you know

5104
02:48:42,480 --> 02:48:42,730
the BDR comes out and it's not

5105
02:48:44,780 --> 02:48:45,030
hijacked for other uses and

5106
02:48:46,780 --> 02:48:47,030
used by local governments in

5107
02:48:48,746 --> 02:48:48,996
order to you know further

5108
02:48:50,513 --> 02:48:50,763
promote nuisance

5109
02:48:54,746 --> 02:48:54,996
law and use it for their own

5110
02:48:56,713 --> 02:48:56,963
benefit which might not be for

5111
02:48:57,580 --> 02:48:57,830
public benefit and so cause

5112
02:48:58,113 --> 02:48:58,363
histor

5113
02:49:01,213 --> 02:49:01,463
ically I've seen those these

5114
02:49:02,980 --> 02:49:03,230
kinds of bills come through the

5115
02:49:04,980 --> 02:49:05,230
building and you know additional

5116
02:49:07,180 --> 02:49:07,430
language gets added that might

5117
02:49:07,846 --> 02:49:08,096
be a problem in the future.

5118
02:49:10,646 --> 02:49:10,896
and so thank you chair for

5119
02:49:11,213 --> 02:49:11,463
the comment.

5120
02:49:12,880 --> 02:49:13,130
thank you

5121
02:49:16,646 --> 02:49:16,896
members in additional questions

5122
02:49:17,313 --> 02:49:17,563
or comments

5123
02:49:22,713 --> 02:49:22,963
seeing none all those in favor

5124
02:49:23,413 --> 02:49:23,663
please signify by saying aye

5125
02:49:24,880 --> 02:49:25,130
those again say nay

5126
02:49:29,213 --> 02:49:29,463
motion carries unanimously and

5127
02:49:31,180 --> 02:49:31,430
again Mr Hardy I look forward to

5128
02:49:32,780 --> 02:49:33,030
you working along with all the

5129
02:49:34,480 --> 02:49:34,730
stakeholders and and finding

5130
02:49:37,046 --> 02:49:37,296
some good good language that we

5131
02:49:38,713 --> 02:49:38,963
can all utilize to continue to

5132
02:49:40,813 --> 02:49:41,063
address this issue that is

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02:49:41,380 --> 02:49:41,630
impacting our communities

5134
02:49:42,646 --> 02:49:42,896
senatorneal please

5135
02:49:46,480 --> 02:49:46,730
thank you chair for the

5136
02:49:48,480 --> 02:49:48,730
privilege. I just wanted to put

5137
02:49:49,213 --> 02:49:49,463
information out. I was looking

5138
02:49:50,946 --> 02:49:51,196
for it while I was talking but I

5139
02:49:52,746 --> 02:49:52,996
think this is more of an

5140
02:49:53,313 --> 02:49:53,563
educational point that I'd like

5141
02:49:54,980 --> 02:49:55,230
to have in the minutes for the

5142
02:50:00,713 --> 02:50:00,963
future so on March 223rd 2026 I

5143
02:50:01,413 --> 02:50:01,663
reached out to the legal

5144
02:50:04,480 --> 02:50:04,730
division about executive orders

5145
02:50:06,746 --> 02:50:06,996
on Ai and their response was

5146
02:50:08,746 --> 02:50:08,996
that they had seen the original

5147
02:50:10,746 --> 02:50:10,996
executive order and that they

5148
02:50:12,780 --> 02:50:13,030
were monitoring that and that it

5149
02:50:13,480 --> 02:50:13,730
was looked at as a presidential

5150
02:50:16,980 --> 02:50:17,230
policy suggestion as both the

5151
02:50:18,480 --> 02:50:18,730
executive order and its

5152
02:50:20,680 --> 02:50:20,930
framework had no legal effect

5153
02:50:24,513 --> 02:50:24,763
and and constituted little

5154
02:50:26,713 --> 02:50:26,963
more than the president's wishes

5155
02:50:28,980 --> 02:50:29,230
of what he wanted Congress to

5156
02:50:32,480 --> 02:50:32,730
change in law and there hadn't

5157
02:50:33,213 --> 02:50:33,463
actually been a congressional

5158
02:50:35,446 --> 02:50:35,696
act that could have created a

5159
02:50:38,513 --> 02:50:38,763
substantial impact on state law

5160
02:50:40,713 --> 02:50:40,963
throughout the country that

5161
02:50:43,046 --> 02:50:43,296
would have forced a preempted

5162
02:50:43,613 --> 02:50:43,863
states from

5163
02:50:46,480 --> 02:50:46,730
acting within the scope of

5164
02:50:48,713 --> 02:50:48,963
regulating AI or creating

5165
02:50:51,213 --> 02:50:51,463
statutory policy and so I just

5166
02:50:53,180 --> 02:50:53,430
wanted to put that on the record

5167
02:50:54,946 --> 02:50:55,196
because I have been closely

5168
02:50:57,180 --> 02:50:57,430
watching this issue to determine

5169
02:51:00,946 --> 02:51:01,196
all actions at the federal level

5170
02:51:02,946 --> 02:51:03,196
and whether or not the state was

5171
02:51:04,946 --> 02:51:05,196
being barred because I had had

5172
02:51:07,213 --> 02:51:07,463
bills in 2025 and so I was

5173
02:51:08,980 --> 02:51:09,230
making sure that had a clear

5174
02:51:12,480 --> 02:51:12,730
pathway in order to deal with AI

5175
02:51:13,180 --> 02:51:13,430
in the state and that we were

5176
02:51:13,846 --> 02:51:14,096
not in any

5177
02:51:18,480 --> 02:51:18,730
way impeded as a state

5178
02:51:21,213 --> 02:51:21,463
legislature to perform the act

5179
02:51:23,213 --> 02:51:23,463
of regulating and creating

5180
02:51:25,180 --> 02:51:25,430
policy that would serve our own

5181
02:51:27,313 --> 02:51:27,563
constituency in government and

5182
02:51:27,980 --> 02:51:28,230
so thank you chairir.

5183
02:51:32,480 --> 02:51:32,730
thank you senator Neal and thank

5184
02:51:34,480 --> 02:51:34,730
you to our amazing staffs I'm

5185
02:51:36,713 --> 02:51:36,963
sure we're involved in that

5186
02:51:40,680 --> 02:51:40,930
next I'd like to go to our

5187
02:51:41,413 --> 02:51:41,663
final item which is public

5188
02:51:42,980 --> 02:51:43,230
comment. I'd like to invite

5189
02:51:45,313 --> 02:51:45,563
those in Las Vegas or Carson

5190
02:51:45,980 --> 02:51:46,230
City if you could please come

5191
02:51:46,580 --> 02:51:46,830
forward

5192
02:51:49,446 --> 02:51:49,696
seeing

5193
02:51:52,980 --> 02:51:53,230
no one coming forward we will go

5194
02:51:53,680 --> 02:51:53,930
to the phone lines anybody

5195
02:51:54,680 --> 02:51:54,930
wishing to join us for public

5196
02:51:55,346 --> 02:51:55,596
comment

5197
02:51:58,713 --> 02:51:58,963
here the public line is open and

5198
02:51:59,413 --> 02:51:59,663
working and there are no coers

5199
02:52:00,013 --> 02:52:00,263
for public comment at this time.

5200
02:52:03,213 --> 02:52:03,463
with that members I just want to

5201
02:52:04,980 --> 02:52:05,230
say thank you to all of you we

5202
02:52:08,513 --> 02:52:08,763
have really gone through a very

5203
02:52:11,213 --> 02:52:11,463
wide host of topics ranging from

5204
02:52:13,013 --> 02:52:13,263
abandoned vehicles to artificial

5205
02:52:15,046 --> 02:52:15,296
intelligence and everything in

5206
02:52:17,280 --> 02:52:17,530
between state and federal

5207
02:52:17,813 --> 02:52:18,063
relationships and and

5208
02:52:21,213 --> 02:52:21,463
many many long meetings I

5209
02:52:24,480 --> 02:52:24,730
know the last one went on into

5210
02:52:25,080 --> 02:52:25,330
the late hours of the evening so

5211
02:52:26,513 --> 02:52:26,763
I just wanted to say thank you

5212
02:52:28,480 --> 02:52:28,730
to all of you for the hard work

5213
02:52:30,746 --> 02:52:30,996
and that hopefully the the

5214
02:52:32,546 --> 02:52:32,796
hard work will translate into

5215
02:52:33,280 --> 02:52:33,530
good legislation where we're all

5216
02:52:35,046 --> 02:52:35,296
working together on on the

5217
02:52:37,013 --> 02:52:37,263
common good for the state so I

5218
02:52:38,513 --> 02:52:38,763
just wanted to thank you all I

5219
02:52:40,480 --> 02:52:40,730
wanted to say thank you to our

5220
02:52:42,513 --> 02:52:42,763
incredible staff specifically

5221
02:52:45,313 --> 02:52:45,563
Mronsin isbe who often was

5222
02:52:47,613 --> 02:52:47,863
very frustrated and wanted to

5223
02:52:48,280 --> 02:52:48,530
maybe hurt me because

5224
02:52:51,013 --> 02:52:51,263
I could answer a simple question

5225
02:52:53,213 --> 02:52:53,463
like are we going to do that

5226
02:52:55,280 --> 02:52:55,530
item yes or no because we were

5227
02:52:56,480 --> 02:52:56,730
trying to get all the

5228
02:52:57,280 --> 02:52:57,530
stakeholders on the right page

5229
02:52:58,946 --> 02:52:59,196
but I do appreciate his

5230
02:53:00,513 --> 02:53:00,763
patience and everybody else's

5231
02:53:02,746 --> 02:53:02,996
patience it's not easy always to

5232
02:53:04,746 --> 02:53:04,996
work with us and and I I am just

5233
02:53:06,746 --> 02:53:06,996
incredibly grateful and honored

5234
02:53:08,513 --> 02:53:08,763
to be able to serve alongside of

5235
02:53:09,213 --> 02:53:09,463
them and just have them on our

5236
02:53:11,213 --> 02:53:11,463
site the state would not be what

5237
02:53:13,046 --> 02:53:13,296
it is without them. so with that

5238
02:53:14,780 --> 02:53:15,030
members if we could give our

5239
02:53:15,446 --> 02:53:15,696
amazing staff a quick round of

5240
02:53:16,113 --> 02:53:16,363
applause I would appreciate that

5241
02:53:20,480 --> 02:53:20,730
for all their incredible work

5242
02:53:21,213 --> 02:53:21,463
and patience with that

5243
02:53:22,746 --> 02:53:22,996
members thank you and this

5244
02:53:23,280 --> 02:53:23,530
meeting is adjourned.

5245
02:53:24,880 --> 02:53:25,130
thank you thank you