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The last time in my life, would you please call the house to

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order. >> speaker: the house will come

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to order. [ applause ]

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>> speaker: good morning and happy last day of session

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everyone in the absence of clergy, let us pause for a

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moment of silence. Visitors are invited to join

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members in the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america;

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and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under god,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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>> speaker: a quorum being present, the clerk will read the

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journal of thursday june 4. Ms. Peoples-stokes.

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>> madam speaker, I move to dispense with the further

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reading of the journal of thursday june 4 and the same

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stand approved. >> speaker: without objection so

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ordered. >> thank you so much.

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colleagues and guests that are in the chambers.

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today I would like to share a quote with you from james

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baldwin, an american writer, civil rights act visit who got a

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lot of acclaim for his work around novels, plays and poems.

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unfortunately he is no longer with us but his words still

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reman. Not everything that is faced can

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be changes but nothing can be changed until it is faced.

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again, these words from james baldwin.

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madam speaker, members have on their desk a main calendar and

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before any housekeeping or introductions, we will probably

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be calling for rules after ways and means is done.

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these committees are going to produce an a and b calendar of

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which we will take up today. We will begin our floor work

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today by taking up consent rules report 530 from mr. Owe

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pharoah, and-- o'pharrow and then the following bills on

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debate, 056 by mr. Bores and we will announce further

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activity at that time. That's the general outline of

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where we are going. Perhaps you can start with

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introductions and any housekeeping you may have.

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>> speaker: thank you. We have no housekeeping this

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morning but we do have an introduction.

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mr. Sayegh for the purposes of an introduction.

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>> thank you very much, madam speaker.

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today is special, because like the majority leader, this is my

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last day in session and I recall some eight years ago this young

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man was born and celebrated at that time pie election, was

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sworn in and took office in november 2018.

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at that time my family came up with me and today they're

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basically saying let's take him back home because now with

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matthew being the first grand kids born, he is now turning

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eight in august, right, but there are seven other grandkids.

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we've come a long way. We got involved making political

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decisions but at the same time expanded family, expanded our

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working community. And today it's really my

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pleasure to introduce not only matthew neshwat, my oldest

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grandson, but a role model, who among family events, already

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takes the lead in introducing birthday greetings and other

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celebratory things. So therefore this same boy is

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following the footsteps of grandpa.

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so it makes me very proud. And I have with me two of my

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five daughters. You know, with my wife, senna,

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we raised five beautiful daughters, one is a radiologist,

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samu is here with me, mary a pediatric dent dentist, lana an

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educator and theresa who is an attorney.

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it is really a success, a pleasure to have served here, to

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have initiated positive discussions and met a lot of

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wonderful people, so, madam speaker if you can give the full

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cordialities of the house to my wife and my two daughters and

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especially my grandson matthew. >> speaker: yes, of course.

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on behalf of mr. Sayegh, the speaker and all members, we

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welcome your beautiful family to the assembly chamber, to our

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peoples house, extending to you the privileges of the floor.

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to your wife, thank you so very much for being gracious to allow

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your husband to spend eight years with us.

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I know it was many nights and days away from home but he has

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truly been a valuable member of there body.

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to your daughters, thank you, again, as well.

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he speaks of you often on the floor and all of the successes

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and to matthew, you are very charming and you are going to go

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very, very far. You are here already.

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you look much older and wiser than you actually are, so we are

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looking for great things for you in the future.

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is to all of you, we hope you enjoy the proceeding today.

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thank you very much for being here cuss.

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report 530, committee on rules mr. O'pharrow, an act

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implementing an agreement between state and employee

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organizations. On a motion, the senate bill is

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section. >> clerk: this act shall take

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effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

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record the vote. [voting in progress].

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>> speaker: the bill is passed. Members, we are going to be on

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debate. Page 13.

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rules report 506. Clerk will read.

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>> clerk: senate 9051b rules report 506, senator gonzales, an

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act to amend the general business law.

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>> speaker: an explanation has been requested.

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mr. Bores. >> in late 2024, adam rain was

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16 years old and thinking of harming himself like many

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teenagers, adam had been turning to chatgpt for months for home

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work, for his driver's test prep, for everyday questions.

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so when the darkest thoughts came, he turned to chatgpt for

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those, too. According to his parent's

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lawsuit, it told him his suicidal feelings made sense,

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gave him specific instructions on how to end his life.

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it told him it would write the first draft of his suicide note.

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and when adam said he wanted to leave evidence out so his family

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would find it and stop him, chatgpt urged him not to.

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we are here to make sure that no other parent has to go through

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the unthinkable, what adam's parents went through.

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we are here to hold chat bot developers to the same standard

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at any responsible parent would. This bipartisan bill simply

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requires if you cannot make a chat bot safe-for-children, you

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should not make it available for children.

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it does have substantial opposition from tech nyc, the

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business council, the I.t. Industry council and companies

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like an anthropic, but we cannot look new york parents in the

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eyes any longer and tell them that we are not taking the

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safety of their children >> speaker: ms. Peoples-stokes

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>> ways and means has completedly work.

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could you please call rules committee to the conference room

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>> would the sponsor yield for some questions.

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>> speaker: would the sponsor yield?

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sponsor yields. >> mr. Bores, thank you for

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explaining why this bill is so important.

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I just have some clarifying questions if that would be okay

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with you. >> please.

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so, can you explain the difference between an a.I.

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companion and a general a.I. Assistant?

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and this bill references that definition.

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it adds a new definition of a covered a.I. Companion, which

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definition 5 here shall mean a generative a.I. System with

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natural language interface including via writing or sound

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that provides ongoing adaptive responses to user inputs.

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it includes but is not limited to the prior definition of an

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a.I. Companion. Also note that later in the bill

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it excludes certain use cases such as in success mer service,

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direct-- customer services and direct provisions by the bill.

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>> to be more specific. Would chatgpt, things like

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gemini, cloud and similar products fall within the bill's

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definition? >> yes.

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and then what specific products operating today would become

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illegal under this bill. >> no no product becomes illegal

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but certain features within those products cannot be made

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available to kids does this bill require companies to determine

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whether a user is a minor. >> correct.

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>> how would they go about doing that?

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general that this bill would rely upon, it also provides

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alternatives within the bill, if that rule making is not in place

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by the time the bill comes into effect.

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>> will the companies that are required to do age verification,

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would the user have to show some identification, send that into

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the company. >> the bill specifically says at

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least one of the methods for identifying age cannot be

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reliant on government I.d. >> will not be reliant.

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companies getting the age verification and I hope they do.

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much like with social media products, these companies are

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already often estimating the age of their users in the engage

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many and interaction, they're learning a lot about us by

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everything we type in. The specifics of exactly how

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they do and what best practices are, again that's part of the

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rule making process I don't want to get ahead of but these

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companies already have a very good idea.

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>> so within this bill or is it going to be up to each

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individual company as far as data protection for when it

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comes to those I.d.s or any information that is input,

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trying to make sure the age verification is done?

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information for the least amount of time possible and just for

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the purpose of understanding the age of the users.

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within this bill or rules that may be promulgated by the a.g.'s

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office if a minor falsely claims that they are of age.

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companies making the product. >> that leads me to my next

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false identification because not requiring an I.d., are able to

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get on to one of these programs but they're a minor by using

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false identification is the company then held liable.

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through the process and establishing to understand it is

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a minor, that's when they have to take action on the features.

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I don't want to get ahead of the rule making but if there is a

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complex fraud that is done to confuse the operators, I don't

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think they would be liable based on the text of the bill.

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educational a.I. Tutors would be covered with this?

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features. >> if they were using it in a

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school setting, right, elementary, middle school or

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high school because most of the time they're minors in high

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school unless they're 18, it going to be the user using the

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programs, so in other words the teacher, the teacher assistant,

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the school itself that has to be the adults or can the children

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in the school, you know, my kids have their own ipads for

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school. If the program is downloaded to

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their computer, are they allowed to have it even though they are

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minors. >> this does not ban any product

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going minors. It just bans certain features

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going. It's not saying that you

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wouldn't be able to have an educational chat bot.

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it's saying that educational chat bot can't s sext the kids.

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>> thank you. That's a good thing, but again

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trying to understand this because I'm literally learning

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about this as we are speaking about it the chat bots on

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certain programs asking for identification to make sure an

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adult would have to have separate features, you are

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saying if a minor is using it, correct?

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and so when a minor is using a product, there needs to be

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restricted features, could you have to option to, when an adult

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uses the product, turn on other features but it's about the

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interaction that a minor user has with the product gloond are.

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apologize again, if that program is downloaded by the school,

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let's just say or tutoring service or anything.

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an adult is probably downloading it then that download is getting

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shared within whatever type of laptop computer all the students

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have throughout the school who are all minors so does the

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original download of the program by an adult and put on to each

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individual, even though it's the same program, right, have to

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have individual features for each individual computer that it

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know, I'm trying to explain it. Again, my daughter has certain

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programs on her laptop that everybody in the school has

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obviously she is a minor. She didn't download it.

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the school did or the teacher, whoever.

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how does that work going from the teacher who is an adult

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computer. >> it's about who the user is.

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has different user accounts on it that shows you different

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features based if you are a user and similarly with a chat bot,

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this regulation is about who the user is, not who downloads it or

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sets it up. >> individualized per computer

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or laptop or tablet. >> per user.

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>> that it is on. Thank you.

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and then obviously could this, regardless of feelings on it,

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could this bill discourage companies from making a.I. Tools

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available to new york minors all together.

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>> I don't believe so. I think there is a basic

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standard here; I would say of decency, but broadly.

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we have had no problem banning apps from, for example, making

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child sexual abuse material or doing other things that we think

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should not be allowed. We have already put restrictions

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on engagements with chat bots. There are other states that have

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passed bills restricting them. I don't see a risk of companies

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pulling out of new york because we are telling them they can't

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send these kinds of messages to kids.

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>> thank you, mr. Bores. I appreciate you answering my

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questions. Thank you, madam speaker.

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>> speaker: thank you. Mr. Blumencanz.

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>> thank you so much smears, would the sponsor yield for some

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questions. >> speaker: would the sponsor

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yield. >> yes.

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>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> I have some more questions

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surrounding some of the definitions.

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in section 18008d you list unsafe features, any output that

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engage in flattery or sigh cop think.

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there is not a specific added definition here.

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what we are seeing here from chat bots, especially some of

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the older versions was a tendency to always affirm a user

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and always affirm the opinions, even if those opinions were ones

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that were clearly wrong or in some cases harmful.

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and what this is meant to target is, you know, when that those

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are not reaffirmed or encouraged and that you know, the a.I. Chat

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bot is acting as a check there. And we have seen and it is

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concerning to see how some chat bots have acted in the past.

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I'm concerned a little bit with contradictory nature and curious

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if you can explain it to me. In section 18008 I, it

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encourages the bot to steer away from self harm.

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so being kind or flat lined and saying don't do that.

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yet in 8-d of the same section it bans flattery and e bans

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unprompted emotional check-ins. If a child signals distress, is

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that a prompted check-in and thus can it provide some form of

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emotional language? >> I'm not sure I'm falling.

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I says it cannot generate outputs that contain the

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endorsement or promotion of or which facilitate suicide,

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self-harm, disordered eating, unlawful drug or drug abuse and

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d says it cannot engage in flattery or sick fancy sick.

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>> if it is struggling with self harm if it can't respond by

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changing to change behaviors or at no point should it do

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anything but refer to a mental health professional what is the

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execs pectation of how this is supposed to go.

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>> it should refer to a minority in the negative professional but

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it is not saying it can never engage with a user.

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it says it cannot promote self harm and these other aspects

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that are there. >> let's say someone expresses a

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minor concern and within that concern, the chat bot responds

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I'm sorry to hear you feel that way.

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your life is worth something. Could that be defined as

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flattery under the broad nature of the definition of flattery?

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>> I don't think it's flattery to reaffirm the basic value of

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human life that's a core thing not going on are regards to

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sycophan cy. >> I have an alexa in my home,

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millions of americans and many new yorkers have some form of

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home device like alexa or apple phone with siri and others.

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you said it's based on the user, correct?

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not necessarily bases on the individual speaking to

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aelectrics alexa in that moment. >> I'm unsure of what the

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difference is. >> I have little sisters, they

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would fall under the category of this bill.

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they live in a family home with parents who have set up the

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alexa. They actively participate and

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talk to the alexa on different levels throughout the day.

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they're a child interacting with the platform, yet they're not

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the ones who set it up. So how is amazon supposed to

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know that the interactions they're having with the user is

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a child and not the user who signed up.

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>> I think it's about, again, who the person speaking is.

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I think we can leave it up to the company.

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I don't have an alexa and I don't know if aplexa is

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programmed to sext people or encourage self harm but I don't

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think these are features built into most of the products.

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if those are features these companies want to build into

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their products then yes they should make sure that they have

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some way of ensuring kids don't engage with that.

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>> I mean your bill expands more than just the negative feedback

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loops they can get in because it bans certain ways that they can

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purely interact with the individual that it is speaking

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to. A, because you require age

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verification for usage and b because it also makes the device

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delete memory if it is under the suspicion it is talking to a

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minor. So how-- enforcement seems

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difficult here when typically, especially with family devices

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like that, you don't necessarily know who you are speaking with.

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>> this is a question these companies have to navigate with

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the children's data privacy law we passed last year.

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there are certain requirements, certain protections that we as a

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society think should apply to protecting children and if there

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are certain features you want to introduce that may not be

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appropriate, we expect companies to take action to segregate

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those. Whether that's asking are there

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kids in the house when it's set up, whether it's through some

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other method that comes through the rule making process that

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will occur, I think ensuring that there are certain

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protections for kids is a core state interest.

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>> you bring up a really good point.

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let's say the setup would be, you know, I'm setting up my

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alexa for my home. They ask a question.

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is there other family members within the home.

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your memory requirement of after 12 hours of deletion and a

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requirement that there can't be a mentally basis for-- memory

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basis for minors. Say I'm an adult in the home and

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I like that I use my alexa to remind me to take my medications

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every day or play my favorite music.

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would it be unlawful for a device like an alexa to do that

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for me if I have a child in my home in order to comply with

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this law. >> no because you are a

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different user and the specific clause you are talking about, f,

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is about a user's mental or physical health or well-being or

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matters personal to the user. It is based on many cases we

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have enwhere a child emphasizes expresses some self doubt or

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depression and then the chat bot continues to prod at those

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issues time after time. Things that are not core to

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their mental health fall under that section.

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>> or personal in nature the second prong of that.

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>> yes, in totality, use information concerning the

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user's physical or mental health or well-being or matters

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personal to the user. >> matters personal to the user.

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how do you define what is personal to a user?

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>> again, I think in the context of this bill and of that clause,

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what we are referring to are these instances where kids have

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expressed a certain thoughts that then the chat bots continue

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to bring up and emphasize into the very plastic brains, the

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very you know, kids brains are not fully formed.

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they're malleable brains continue to repeat that thought

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and take them further down that pathway.

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that's what this clause does. >> I do understand and I think

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the objective is laudable. Where I'm concerned is what if a

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child asks alexa play me sad songs alexa I like x type of

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music. That could be interpreted as the

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sort of communication that might be banned in this legislation,

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no? >> I don't think so.

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I don't think that's about their deep mental health.

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>> your bill doesn't say things related to mental health or

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personal issues. There seems to be a catch all

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there that is of concern. I don't think asking for a

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specific genre of music is covered even if there is an

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emotional connotation to the music?

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>> again, if it is a specific genre, no.

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if a child were to say-- and I'm sorry to see saying this word

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and I should have said there is, we should have a content warning

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for this debate. But if they were to say

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something like give me songs that I can commit suicide to,

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that would be a different thing. But if they were to say play me

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this genre, that doesn't seem covered, no.

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>> if a child goes up to an alexa in the family and it's a

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device covered and would know it's a child, if they went up to

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alexa and said I'm sad today, what is alexa's response hive

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they're not allowed to be affirming at all, either saying,

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you know say anything positive to the child anymore.

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>> there is nothing in the bill that says that.

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what it is meant to discourage if a child says I'm sad today,

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that the next day it doesn't bring up and how sad do you feel

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and keep pushing them down that path.

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>> if it is an expressed emotion by the alexa, wouldn't it be

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engaged in an emotional interaction?

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>> again, I think you are referring to earlier in the

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definitions where it is taking on a persona maybe is what you

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are referring to where it is pretending to be its own living

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thing, which is different than engaging in a conversation with

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the child about how their feeling at the moment.

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>> so it can have-- I don't think alexa has reached the

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level of sophistication at this point where it takes on a

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personality, but it does engage it's meant to engage in almost a

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human nature. So the response level is just,

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it can't be a through line you are saying of consistency

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remembering what the child has said previously, but it can

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still be empathetic in some capacity to the user?

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>> I think that's fair. >> so can you state for the

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record whether alexa, siri and google and other voice

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assistants are covered by this bill and whether or not you

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think that there should be an exception written for some of

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those home products that may have some concerns and issues in

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compliance? >> obviously the features of all

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these products are changing all the time so to say a declarative

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statement right now would be misleading.

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>> under the current guidelines. >> if could I just finish that

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answer. What is said in the bill is that

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it does not apply when a covered a.I. Companion is made available

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to cover users solely for the purpose of customer service or

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to strictly provide users with information about available

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commercial services or products provided by a business entity,

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customer service account information or other information

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directly related to customer service.

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or providing efficiency improvements or research or

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technical assistance provided to the covered a.I. Companion is

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not moving outside of that. Or with respect to any system

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used by a business entity for internal purposes and play

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productivity. In so far as a device is used to

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order from amazon and is no the doing things outside of that, I

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don't think that would be covered.

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if it starts putting into it some generative a.I. To have a

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conversation to pretend to be a user, then it would likely be

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covered. Dependent on the features.

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>> amazon is a good example because amazon provides medical

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services and pharmaceutical services now as part of its

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future features maybe it would connect to remote medical

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services. How would a company like that

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have to walk a fine line when it comes to connecting to services,

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which is exempt, but not necessarily engaging in the

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types of conversations that are explicitly not allowed any

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longer under the definition. >> I think these are lines these

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companies are used to walking. When you talk about health data,

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they have to follow hippa in some cases and in other cases

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not, based on the nature of the data.

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this is-- data is complex. These interactions are complex.

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we are trying to set a baseline of unsafe features that should

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noted be made available to kids. >> but like hippa data, this

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clear set defined sets of guidelines rules and regulations

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surrounding what the words on the page mean.

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I find that within the context of the bill, again, I think it's

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a great concept but in execution, I find that there is

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some serious concern within the definition surrounding how

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compliance is supposed to work and is that up to the a.g. To

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determine whether or not that case is.

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>> speaker: mr. Blumencranz, do you want to use your second

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15? >> I will.

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>> speaker: okay. >> the bill is limited to a.g.

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enforcement if if that is your question on how pieces of this

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are determined and there are rule making around to places

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including how they have to test what a minor is and the age

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verification. >> has the a.g.'s office been in

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communication with you as far as equipping themselves with the

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expertise to deal with the child safety act and their ability to

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prosecute and participate in this.

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>> the a.g.'s office has been a partner in moving this bill

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forward and bringing this protection to new yorkers.

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>> okay. Thank you.

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I have no more questions. >> thank you.

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>> speaker: mr. Norber. >> thank you, madam speaker

480
00:40:00,383 --> 00:40:03,453
would the sponsor yield. >> speaker: would the sponsor

481
00:40:03,453 --> 00:40:05,453
yield. >> yes.

482
00:40:05,456 --> 00:40:06,657
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> thank you very much for

483
00:40:06,657 --> 00:40:11,861
answering all the questions just a few more regarding enforcement

484
00:40:11,861 --> 00:40:15,733
and how it would look you touched on it at the end of the

485
00:40:15,733 --> 00:40:19,436
debate with our colleague so the a.g. Will be involved

486
00:40:19,436 --> 00:40:23,360
specifically with enforcing violations against companies

487
00:40:24,740 --> 00:40:27,674
such as say chatgpt, gemini. >> yes.

488
00:40:27,878 --> 00:40:31,482
and how would that work. How would a complaint work.

489
00:40:31,482 --> 00:40:36,954
how would they know that something is going on that might

490
00:40:36,954 --> 00:40:40,825
be harmful to a minor somewhere in new york state.

491
00:40:40,825 --> 00:40:45,625
>> so section 1802 deals with enforcement and the attorney

492
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,771
general can come upon this information in many ways.

493
00:40:53,771 --> 00:40:59,242
the most tragic is after a tragedy occurs and becomes a big

494
00:40:59,242 --> 00:41:01,912
news story but clause 2 says the attorney general shall maintain

495
00:41:01,912 --> 00:41:05,315
a website to receive complaints, information and referrals from

496
00:41:05,315 --> 00:41:07,718
members of the public so it becomes a way of gathering that

497
00:41:07,718 --> 00:41:10,153
information as well. >> because the situation I

498
00:41:10,153 --> 00:41:13,190
usually see or hearing about after the fact, sadly is that

499
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:15,993
the parents are not usually involved, sometimes they don't

500
00:41:15,993 --> 00:41:20,530
know what is going on. They miss how quickly a

501
00:41:20,530 --> 00:41:25,930
situation deteriorated for their child for their minor and

502
00:41:30,740 --> 00:41:33,177
something I'm not sure a minor would be able to present to

503
00:41:33,177 --> 00:41:35,780
their parents, the parents would actually have to make the

504
00:41:35,780 --> 00:41:38,849
complaint. They would have to go to the

505
00:41:38,849 --> 00:41:42,953
a.g. And then they would receive a violation which I'm not even

506
00:41:42,953 --> 00:41:49,553
sure a company like chatgpt would pay too much attention to

507
00:41:49,927 --> 00:41:53,297
with all this expansion and race toward a.I. And witnessing

508
00:41:53,297 --> 00:41:57,568
throughout the world. We have 4,000 databases in the

509
00:41:57,568 --> 00:41:59,303
country. So this enforcement, I would

510
00:41:59,303 --> 00:42:03,974
love the enforcement, I would like to see huge violations but

511
00:42:03,974 --> 00:42:07,311
there has to be so many factors in place so that this actually

512
00:42:07,311 --> 00:42:09,711
takes place. >> I agree.

513
00:42:12,316 --> 00:42:15,719
it would be great to see even additional monitoring or other

514
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,857
ways of this coming about. Right now there is what is error

515
00:42:20,857 --> 00:42:24,329
reported in the media. We are making websites so it can

516
00:42:24,329 --> 00:42:27,531
be reported more directly and we are also honestly by having

517
00:42:27,531 --> 00:42:30,734
debates like this and spreading the news that parents should be

518
00:42:30,734 --> 00:42:33,537
looking out for this and be aware of what is coming.

519
00:42:33,537 --> 00:42:38,700
>> can you consider hive in the bill or the department of

520
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,211
education to help patience understand what a.I. Even is

521
00:42:41,211 --> 00:42:43,947
because we still don't even know what a.I. Is and we are just

522
00:42:43,947 --> 00:42:48,850
going with it and it's very important that we have these

523
00:42:48,850 --> 00:42:51,685
enforcement in place. And implement them.

524
00:42:52,156 --> 00:42:54,825
>> that is a great idea. And any time someone has asked

525
00:42:54,825 --> 00:42:58,162
me a question like that before, I have been able to say, I would

526
00:42:58,162 --> 00:43:00,831
love to work with you on that next year.

527
00:43:00,831 --> 00:43:02,966
and unfortunately this time I'm going to have to say would I

528
00:43:02,966 --> 00:43:05,350
love to support from you the ow side on that.

529
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:08,635
>> understood. >> what are the violations what

530
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:13,327
the penalties. >> the penalties are up to

531
00:43:13,327 --> 00:43:18,127
$25,000 for the violations. >> and the violation would be,

532
00:43:28,576 --> 00:43:34,576
if a minor is suffering through mental health and specifically

533
00:43:37,685 --> 00:43:41,421
chatgpt let's say is going to say something towards committing

534
00:43:41,421 --> 00:43:49,221
suicide or helping in that way. >> when you offer a feature to a

535
00:43:49,463 --> 00:43:52,990
minor or do not do the age verification that is required

536
00:43:52,990 --> 00:43:56,770
and I should say the enforcement is more than just the penalties.

537
00:43:56,770 --> 00:44:01,175
it also empowers injunctsive relief and restitution and

538
00:44:01,175 --> 00:44:03,644
discouragement of any profits gained as part of it.

539
00:44:03,644 --> 00:44:07,844
>> very good. >> so we touched upon that

540
00:44:12,453 --> 00:44:16,690
before on the sad songs. Will chatgpt be able to

541
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:19,994
recognize when someone is going through a mental health issue?

542
00:44:19,994 --> 00:44:25,994
in general, not just minors but anybody in any situation?

543
00:44:26,933 --> 00:44:31,733
do we know... >> the bill we actually passed

544
00:44:33,407 --> 00:44:40,607
for the budget last year pass standards on what have to do

545
00:44:43,617 --> 00:44:48,880
recognizing potential mental states and potential harm in

546
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,758
users. I strongly believe that there

547
00:44:50,758 --> 00:44:53,427
should be some sort of standard here.

548
00:44:53,427 --> 00:44:56,530
this is mostly about ensuring that certain features that are

549
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:58,366
risky are not made available to children.

550
00:44:58,366 --> 00:44:59,633
>> very good. Thank you very much for

551
00:44:59,633 --> 00:45:02,236
answering my questions. >> thank you.

552
00:45:02,236 --> 00:45:04,636
>> thank you. Ms. Walsh.

553
00:45:13,780 --> 00:45:17,385
>> thank you very much, madam speaker would the sponsor yield.

554
00:45:17,385 --> 00:45:18,186
>> speaker: would the sponsor yield.

555
00:45:18,186 --> 00:45:19,920
>> yes. >> sponsor yields.

556
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,722
>> great, thank you. >> thank you.

557
00:45:22,722 --> 00:45:26,594
so as expected. The last day that we will be

558
00:45:26,594 --> 00:45:30,731
here, I'm running around doing a lot of different things, and so

559
00:45:30,731 --> 00:45:34,268
I apologize in advance if I'm duplicating some questions that

560
00:45:34,268 --> 00:45:37,838
have you already tackled. I tried to keep an ear open and

561
00:45:37,838 --> 00:45:39,539
cut the list down. >> these are important issues

562
00:45:39,539 --> 00:45:42,877
and happy to clarify. >> disclaimer right up front,

563
00:45:42,877 --> 00:45:46,477
all right. So the bill's justification

564
00:45:47,614 --> 00:45:52,486
cites harm from a.I. Companion chat bots specifically designed

565
00:45:52,486 --> 00:45:57,286
for emotional relationships but the bill's definition captures

566
00:45:57,824 --> 00:46:02,290
all generative a.I. With a natural language interface why

567
00:46:02,290 --> 00:46:07,168
didn't you just limit the bill to the system causing the

568
00:46:07,168 --> 00:46:11,238
documented harms. >> well, apologies, I said this

569
00:46:11,238 --> 00:46:16,243
in my open but up with of the cases that we this bill was

570
00:46:16,243 --> 00:46:21,515
inspired by was that of adam rain, a 16-year-old that turned

571
00:46:21,515 --> 00:46:28,715
to chatgpt for help with home work and then chat chatgpt ended

572
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:34,195
up, within six months, coaching him into suicide.

573
00:46:34,195 --> 00:46:38,398
bringing up the topic itself, something like 1200 times I

574
00:46:38,398 --> 00:46:43,270
believe, telling him to hide evidence of his distress.

575
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:48,675
and so the harm is coming from broad a.I. Chat bots not just

576
00:46:48,675 --> 00:46:53,347
those that are designed to be a smaller subset of companions.

577
00:46:53,347 --> 00:46:58,352
and so it's about the specific features that cause the risk

578
00:46:58,352 --> 00:47:00,955
versus specific designs of the chat bots themselves.

579
00:47:00,955 --> 00:47:02,955
>> okay. All right.

580
00:47:03,424 --> 00:47:08,161
the bill exempts customer service chat bots only if they

581
00:47:08,161 --> 00:47:13,330
are "unable to respond on topics outside of the specified

582
00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:16,570
purpose." do you believe that any modern

583
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:19,907
a.I. System can be technically constrained to never respond

584
00:47:19,907 --> 00:47:24,107
outside of a specified topic? Yes, actually.

585
00:47:27,715 --> 00:47:30,651
there are certain architectures that may not be true but a.I. Is

586
00:47:30,651 --> 00:47:33,454
a broad field and there are some that can be much more

587
00:47:33,454 --> 00:47:36,790
deterministic but I would also add that even systems that are

588
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:39,860
purely probalistic, we as a society are okay withouting some

589
00:47:39,860 --> 00:47:43,731
of these hard requirement-- with putting some of these hard

590
00:47:43,731 --> 00:47:47,468
requirements on. We ban any of the a.I. Systems

591
00:47:47,468 --> 00:47:50,468
from generating sexual abuse material.

592
00:47:51,138 --> 00:47:54,808
certain models it's tough to say that you can do one pun hers

593
00:47:54,808 --> 00:47:57,311
guarantee that it never would but we still as a society say

594
00:47:57,311 --> 00:48:00,681
you have to figure it out and if you it goes wrong, you are

595
00:48:00,681 --> 00:48:06,810
liable for it. It's a similar approach here I

596
00:48:07,354 --> 00:48:13,193
think from what I could hear, you had a lot of conversation

597
00:48:13,193 --> 00:48:17,231
and debate already on the issues of a.I. Tutors and that issue so

598
00:48:17,231 --> 00:48:23,370
I will skip over that but the bill prohibits using personal

599
00:48:23,370 --> 00:48:26,406
information acquired more than 12 hours prior.

600
00:48:26,406 --> 00:48:30,444
does this mean a tutoring a.I. Cannot remember what chapter a

601
00:48:30,444 --> 00:48:33,444
student was studying yesterday? >> no.

602
00:48:35,249 --> 00:48:39,854
it's about chat bots referencing things of a deeply personal

603
00:48:39,854 --> 00:48:44,654
nature related to someone's mental or physical health.

604
00:48:45,659 --> 00:48:48,929
the idea is that we have seen chat board of trustees, once a

605
00:48:48,929 --> 00:48:54,329
child or someone of any age references a particular

606
00:48:55,402 --> 00:48:59,540
insecurity or specific thoughts or ideas correlated with

607
00:48:59,540 --> 00:49:03,877
depression or topics they're bringing down some chat bots

608
00:49:03,877 --> 00:49:09,817
will continue to researches that idea and push people further and

609
00:49:09,817 --> 00:49:16,556
further along that path so that is meant as a check and stop gap

610
00:49:16,556 --> 00:49:19,920
so the chat bot should not continue to remember it.

611
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,963
if it is what chapter you are on in a book, that is no the deeply

612
00:49:22,963 --> 00:49:24,499
personal. >> I think I understand.

613
00:49:24,499 --> 00:49:27,969
so part of what you are saying is part of the problem that you

614
00:49:27,969 --> 00:49:34,975
are hoping to correct is that idea that some of us can get

615
00:49:34,975 --> 00:49:41,181
into like a loop where we think about something and we can't

616
00:49:41,181 --> 00:49:47,781
really stop thinking about it and this use of technology could

617
00:49:47,854 --> 00:49:51,580
inadvertently reinforce it and perpetuate that loop and maybe a

618
00:49:51,580 --> 00:49:53,394
spiral as a result. >> exactly right.

619
00:49:53,394 --> 00:49:58,265
>> okay, all right can the sponsor, could you define

620
00:49:58,265 --> 00:50:03,650
flattery or sycophant with enough precision that the

621
00:50:04,471 --> 00:50:07,475
operator would say great question to a 16-year-old

622
00:50:07,475 --> 00:50:10,770
violates this law. >> I believe that they can.

623
00:50:10,770 --> 00:50:17,877
my belief is based on the fact that this is sick fantic and

624
00:50:22,489 --> 00:50:27,889
this is not. This is something that they are

625
00:50:30,697 --> 00:50:33,233
tracking quite well and so I think there is enough sort of

626
00:50:33,233 --> 00:50:36,200
common understanding of what that means.

627
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,640
>> they're figuring it out, in other words, the industry is.

628
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,707
okay. Alrighty.

629
00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:45,507
the bill prohibits outputs "suggesting that the covered

630
00:50:46,647 --> 00:50:50,247
a.I. Companion experiences human emotions.

631
00:50:50,383 --> 00:50:54,540
would an a.I. Saying I'm happy to help violate this provision?

632
00:50:54,540 --> 00:50:57,858
>> I don't think so, in that that is sort of like a phrase

633
00:50:57,858 --> 00:51:00,661
that people say. I'm happy to help.

634
00:51:00,661 --> 00:51:03,297
it's more you know, I'm feeling happy.

635
00:51:03,297 --> 00:51:08,969
I have this emotion. I'm feeling sad, where you are

636
00:51:08,969 --> 00:51:15,569
personifying the chat bot itself that's what this is aimed at

637
00:51:17,477 --> 00:51:22,877
avoiding, it is representing it has its own feelings.

638
00:51:23,283 --> 00:51:28,288
>> I understand the distinction. The bill imposeses penalties up

639
00:51:28,288 --> 00:51:31,891
to $25,000 per violate. If a covered a.I. Companion

640
00:51:31,891 --> 00:51:37,891
generates a prohibited outpoot to 10,000 users in a single day

641
00:51:38,765 --> 00:51:45,365
due to a software bug, does the software owe 250 million in

642
00:51:45,638 --> 00:51:47,240
penalties due to a technical error?

643
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:53,240
>> it is about making that feature available to a user.

644
00:51:54,248 --> 00:52:00,587
like in any of these per violation rule it is part of a

645
00:52:00,587 --> 00:52:02,589
settlement and negotiation instead of hard imposed.

646
00:52:02,589 --> 00:52:07,994
it's about what the statutory max would be and I think it's

647
00:52:07,994 --> 00:52:12,199
per feature made available if it is sent out to every child in

648
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:15,936
the state of new york, yes, that's a far bigger impact with

649
00:52:15,936 --> 00:52:19,873
a far bigger fine. >> if, just to summarize from

650
00:52:19,873 --> 00:52:25,412
what I heard you say, yes, the answer is yes.

651
00:52:25,412 --> 00:52:30,812
the penalty could be under that hypothetical $250 million but

652
00:52:31,752 --> 00:52:34,288
that these would be traditionally negotiated or

653
00:52:34,288 --> 00:52:38,825
settled down to some lower amount but that have you to

654
00:52:38,825 --> 00:52:41,270
judge the impact of even something like a technical

655
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:45,320
error, have you to still judge the impact and penalize

656
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,320
accordingly. >> about what the statutory

657
00:52:48,302 --> 00:52:52,502
maximum is you may have covered this.

658
00:53:01,448 --> 00:53:06,530
how does this bill interact with that existing law and why is a

659
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:09,323
second broader bill necessary. >> it builds off of that so the

660
00:53:09,323 --> 00:53:13,127
companion chat bots are a subset of what is covered in this bill.

661
00:53:13,127 --> 00:53:19,127
per your first question, where chatgpt was not and explicitly

662
00:53:20,668 --> 00:53:22,936
is. And this is much more focused on

663
00:53:22,936 --> 00:53:27,340
on children and specific featured applied to children.

664
00:53:27,340 --> 00:53:32,140
>> all right. In terms of the pockets for

665
00:53:33,130 --> 00:53:37,551
amendment and I'm sure that would not be your preference but

666
00:53:37,551 --> 00:53:44,291
is that is something that is in the mix as we move forward

667
00:53:44,291 --> 00:53:48,228
today, would you be willing to accept the amendment narrowing

668
00:53:48,228 --> 00:53:52,766
the definition to simulate an ongoing emotional relationship

669
00:53:52,766 --> 00:53:56,970
which is what the justification actually describes rather than

670
00:53:56,970 --> 00:54:01,107
all generative generative a.I. With a natural language

671
00:54:01,107 --> 00:54:03,777
interface? >> I woulder that would exclude

672
00:54:03,777 --> 00:54:12,177
case like adam rains and I want to ensure that cha the board of

673
00:54:12,386 --> 00:54:15,122
trustees most frequently used are covered by this bill.

674
00:54:15,122 --> 00:54:18,792
>> thank you very much mr. Bores, that's all I've got

675
00:54:18,792 --> 00:54:21,194
and I will let you go. Smurm.

676
00:54:21,194 --> 00:54:24,194
>> speaker: thank you. Mr. Yeager.

677
00:54:26,133 --> 00:54:27,734
>> thank you, madam speaker may I speak on the bill.

678
00:54:27,734 --> 00:54:31,334
>> speaker: on the bill. >> thank you.

679
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:36,209
this appears to be one of the very rare occasions that we see

680
00:54:36,209 --> 00:54:40,280
a bill that is so deeply thought out that really for me at least,

681
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,950
really begs no question. This is the kind of bill that

682
00:54:42,950 --> 00:54:46,987
finds the right mix. Doesn't get in the ray of

683
00:54:46,987 --> 00:54:50,490
technological advancements. It simply establishes a burden

684
00:54:50,490 --> 00:54:55,195
on developers don't let kids access dangerous stuff.

685
00:54:55,195 --> 00:54:58,899
it's easy. We know that a.I. Today really

686
00:54:58,899 --> 00:55:03,636
runs the gamut from everything as simple as, you know, looking

687
00:55:03,636 --> 00:55:08,175
at a product on amazon and then the a.I. Box pops up and you can

688
00:55:08,175 --> 00:55:11,440
request questions about it and it's a computer that is giving

689
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,648
you the answers to a company that I toured a number of months

690
00:55:14,648 --> 00:55:16,783
ago. It was a start-up and they have

691
00:55:16,783 --> 00:55:21,855
the ability to take a human picture, a face, and put it into

692
00:55:21,855 --> 00:55:29,550
a.I. And develop a human body and voice like custom service

693
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,933
representative that they market to customers where you can

694
00:55:33,933 --> 00:55:39,406
actually talk to the computer and see a person, not a person,

695
00:55:39,406 --> 00:55:44,878
talking back to you and to the unindoctrine indoctrinated, you

696
00:55:44,878 --> 00:55:46,613
may think you are talking to a person.

697
00:55:46,613 --> 00:55:49,820
the ban that we are talking about today is to make sure that

698
00:55:49,820 --> 00:55:55,682
kids don't find themselves in a place where, through the qoibd

699
00:55:56,890 --> 00:55:58,358
of-- the kind of circumstances that the gentleman spoke of in

700
00:55:58,358 --> 00:56:03,758
his opening statement, the loneliness and despair that we

701
00:56:04,764 --> 00:56:08,101
know children have from time to time and they find themselves

702
00:56:08,101 --> 00:56:11,370
turning to a computer for companionship.

703
00:56:11,370 --> 00:56:14,974
when some of us were younger, aol was just coming out and

704
00:56:14,974 --> 00:56:19,813
could you go online and talk to anyone anywhere and then over

705
00:56:19,813 --> 00:56:24,451
time we realized allowing kids to go online and talk to anyone

706
00:56:24,451 --> 00:56:28,540
anywhere by computer with anonymity was really a bad idea

707
00:56:28,540 --> 00:56:31,390
and we needed to make sure we are putting safeguards in to

708
00:56:31,390 --> 00:56:35,595
protect kids from that. The key when we pass these kinds

709
00:56:35,595 --> 00:56:43,995
of bills, in my view is let's not lock new york back from the

710
00:56:44,337 --> 00:56:47,940
availability of technological advancements such that we are

711
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:51,912
denying our constituents things that are good for them to have

712
00:56:51,912 --> 00:56:55,949
and b: that we are denying our state the ability of business to

713
00:56:55,949 --> 00:56:58,217
do business here. We want people to do business

714
00:56:58,217 --> 00:57:00,887
here and we want people not to hate us and go somewhere else

715
00:57:00,887 --> 00:57:06,887
with their business. But this bill is so perfectly in

716
00:57:07,293 --> 00:57:12,231
my mind at least, thought out in the way that it puts this burden

717
00:57:12,231 --> 00:57:15,969
on developers. Look, if you can't figure out a

718
00:57:15,969 --> 00:57:20,707
way to keep your product from being dangerous to kids then

719
00:57:20,707 --> 00:57:23,709
don't put your product out in the marketplace.

720
00:57:23,709 --> 00:57:28,448
keep it out, keep it safe, keep it down until it's ready and

721
00:57:28,448 --> 00:57:34,448
when these products in the case the gentlemen spoke about

722
00:57:36,189 --> 00:57:39,726
earlier, a simple question of home work to the point where the

723
00:57:39,726 --> 00:57:42,729
product there is no schumm abwatching it and the product is

724
00:57:42,729 --> 00:57:49,469
able to get to the place where it is encouraging this dangerous

725
00:57:49,469 --> 00:57:53,140
behavior, and even if it is mentally dangerous to the point

726
00:57:53,140 --> 00:57:56,343
where it is teaching kids things they ought not know at an age

727
00:57:56,343 --> 00:58:00,480
appropriate time, this is a place that we can step in stop

728
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:06,480
it, right now and make sure that companies understand their

729
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:13,627
responsibilities to society and the question I don't like voting

730
00:58:13,627 --> 00:58:16,229
on bills that have fines and tax and penalties.

731
00:58:16,229 --> 00:58:19,232
I hate those and I frequently find myself, I look at a bill

732
00:58:19,232 --> 00:58:21,968
and it looks like a good idea and I look at the penalty and I

733
00:58:21,968 --> 00:58:29,108
don't want to vote for this but a penalty as the gentle woman

734
00:58:29,108 --> 00:58:34,181
spoke of earlier $250 million, to be honest if you put out a

735
00:58:34,181 --> 00:58:36,717
product so irresponsiblesbly that it takes a child's life.

736
00:58:36,717 --> 00:58:42,122
I don't know that $250 million is to high a price.

737
00:58:42,122 --> 00:58:47,194
it may be too low. I think we have to every once in

738
00:58:47,194 --> 00:58:50,196
a while really step back from the mind set that we don't want

739
00:58:50,196 --> 00:58:52,732
to get into the way of industry, for those of us who consider

740
00:58:52,732 --> 00:58:58,205
that to be a guiding factor and many of us do.

741
00:58:58,205 --> 00:59:03,243
we don't want to get in the way of new york's ability to lead in

742
00:59:03,243 --> 00:59:05,110
this nation and we want people to do business here.

743
00:59:05,110 --> 00:59:08,681
we have to take a step back every once in a while from that

744
00:59:08,681 --> 00:59:10,950
and say what are we doing to society?

745
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:14,210
and is this a small place at that time we can insert

746
00:59:14,210 --> 00:59:16,220
ourselves-- I hate when government inserts themselves in

747
00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:18,224
people's lives and starts telling them what to do.

748
00:59:18,224 --> 00:59:20,760
but when we are trying to protect children's lives, this

749
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,930
is the right place to do it. So I'm very grateful to the

750
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:26,900
sponsor for this bill. I intend to vote in favor of it

751
00:59:26,900 --> 00:59:31,838
and I know that while this may be last time that we get to hear

752
00:59:31,838 --> 00:59:35,914
the sponsor debate to this floor, I look forward to at some

753
00:59:35,914 --> 00:59:39,384
point, turning on tv in january and seeing him debate somewhere

754
00:59:39,384 --> 00:59:42,653
else and I'm very grateful for his service on this floor.

755
00:59:42,653 --> 00:59:43,722
thank you very much madam speaker.

756
00:59:43,722 --> 00:59:46,722
>> speaker: thank you ms. Peoples-stokes.

757
00:59:48,860 --> 00:59:51,963
>> thank you, madam speaker, would the sponsor yield for the

758
00:59:51,963 --> 00:59:53,598
a question. >> speaker: would the sponsor

759
00:59:53,598 --> 00:59:55,598
yield. >> yes.

760
00:59:57,969 --> 01:00:00,720
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> how will this be enforced

761
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,475
when someone is found to be guilty of these actions.

762
01:00:03,475 --> 01:00:06,770
how will it be enforced. >> the enforcement is done by

763
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:07,612
the attorney general. >> I'm sorry, say it again.

764
01:00:07,612 --> 01:00:11,417
>> attorney general has the right to bring action.

765
01:00:11,417 --> 01:00:15,487
>> is it attached to civil or criminal penalties?

766
01:00:15,487 --> 01:00:18,487
>> yes. Injunctive relieve and civil

767
01:00:20,291 --> 01:00:23,291
penalty up to 25,000 per violation.

768
01:00:23,761 --> 01:00:27,961
>> thank you. >> start startling to me to

769
01:00:28,165 --> 01:00:32,904
think that one in three people literally will allow a chat bot

770
01:00:32,904 --> 01:00:37,420
to wreck their lives, but they do I want to thank you for

771
01:00:37,420 --> 01:00:40,420
sponsoring this legislation it's important.

772
01:00:43,248 --> 01:00:46,251
if we had been ahead of the social media phenomenon when it

773
01:00:46,251 --> 01:00:49,321
came and protected our churn, we wouldn't be going backwards with

774
01:00:49,321 --> 01:00:50,855
the mental health resources trying to fix them.

775
01:00:50,855 --> 01:00:58,550
if this allows us to not have anymore young people to that

776
01:00:58,263 --> 01:01:03,869
pile of people who have been victims, unknowingly of a.I. Or

777
01:01:03,869 --> 01:01:09,273
social media or facebook or which ever one you use, we need

778
01:01:09,273 --> 01:01:13,745
to stop hurting our children this way thank you for

779
01:01:13,745 --> 01:01:17,949
introducing this legislation. I hope it not only passes today

780
01:01:17,949 --> 01:01:22,286
but makes its was I to the second floor and gets signed and

781
01:01:22,286 --> 01:01:26,486
implemented as soon as possible. Thank you.

782
01:01:26,824 --> 01:01:29,160
>> speaker: thank you. >> speaker: read the last

783
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,963
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

784
01:01:31,963 --> 01:01:33,231
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

785
01:01:33,231 --> 01:01:38,310
record the vote. [voting in progress] mr. Bores

786
01:02:34,250 --> 01:02:38,825
to explain his vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

787
01:02:40,165 --> 01:02:45,570
this bill is based on a simple idea that if you cannot make

788
01:02:45,570 --> 01:02:48,706
chat bots safe for children, you should not make them available

789
01:02:48,706 --> 01:02:52,110
to children. But getting the details right

790
01:02:52,110 --> 01:02:55,513
took time and a lot of work and I want to thank many people who

791
01:02:55,513 --> 01:03:00,452
are part of that. My many co-sponsors on both

792
01:03:00,452 --> 01:03:05,852
sides of the aisle. My colleague from the 59th

793
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,661
senate district who shepherded it through this year.

794
01:03:08,661 --> 01:03:10,995
the attorney general and her entire office who helped with

795
01:03:10,995 --> 01:03:15,733
the rule making and speak to the urgency and those outside of

796
01:03:15,733 --> 01:03:18,603
new york government, commonsense media who helped bring so much

797
01:03:18,603 --> 01:03:23,800
attention to this issue, secretary clinton who weighed in

798
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:28,408
on the importance of protecting children and most importantly,

799
01:03:28,546 --> 01:03:31,883
parents of any child who has been affected, especially

800
01:03:31,883 --> 01:03:37,856
matthew rain and maria rain, who came to albany to tell the story

801
01:03:37,856 --> 01:03:43,828
of her son and to urge us into action our democratic

802
01:03:43,828 --> 01:03:46,897
institutions are facing a fundamental question which is

803
01:03:46,897 --> 01:03:51,636
whether we are able to govern transformative technology before

804
01:03:51,636 --> 01:03:55,400
it conchs us today as a body we all get to say yes.

805
01:03:55,400 --> 01:04:00,512
I could not think of a more important or more appropriate

806
01:04:00,512 --> 01:04:03,214
bill to be my final bill in this chamber.

807
01:04:03,214 --> 01:04:08,614
I proudly vote yes. >> speaker: mr. Bores in the

808
01:04:10,989 --> 01:04:15,189
affirmative. Mr. Brown to explain his vote.

809
01:07:02,694 --> 01:07:05,496
>> I rise in support of this piece of legislation and I want

810
01:07:05,496 --> 01:07:08,766
to thank the sponsor for it. Artificial intelligence is

811
01:07:08,766 --> 01:07:11,766
advancing at exroor extraordinarily pace.

812
01:07:13,304 --> 01:07:15,439
while the technologies offer tremendous opportunities they

813
01:07:15,439 --> 01:07:18,976
also present serious risk if places in the hands of children

814
01:07:18,976 --> 01:07:21,579
out appropriate safeguards. This bill recognizes a simple

815
01:07:21,579 --> 01:07:26,117
reality: children are still developing emotion a, socially

816
01:07:26,117 --> 01:07:30,389
and psych lodge psychologically. They are particularly vulnerable

817
01:07:30,389 --> 01:07:35,189
to technology designed to build trust, simulate companionship

818
01:07:35,526 --> 01:07:37,926
and encourage ongoing engagement.

819
01:07:38,397 --> 01:07:41,532
no child should be placed in a position where an a.I. Bot can

820
01:07:41,532 --> 01:07:46,932
present themselves as a friend or emotional companion and

821
01:07:47,805 --> 01:07:49,540
encouraging secrecy and harmful behaviors.

822
01:07:49,540 --> 01:07:52,143
this establishes guard rails to ensure a.I. Systems that they do

823
01:07:52,143 --> 01:07:56,414
not promote self harm, isolation, dangerous conduct or

824
01:07:56,414 --> 01:07:59,414
sexually explicit interactions with minors.

825
01:07:59,550 --> 01:08:03,870
I appreciate the sponsor's work on this bill and I vote in favor

826
01:08:03,870 --> 01:08:06,758
of it and encourage my colleagues to do the same.

827
01:08:06,758 --> 01:08:09,930
>> speaker: mr. Brown in the affirmative.

828
01:08:09,930 --> 01:08:10,894
ms. Gonzales rojas to explain her vote.

829
01:08:10,894 --> 01:08:13,631
>> thank you, madam speaker. I want to thank the sponsors in

830
01:08:13,631 --> 01:08:17,231
both houses for this powerful bill.

831
01:08:17,302 --> 01:08:20,971
in a moment where we are facing a mental health crisis among our

832
01:08:20,971 --> 01:08:24,775
young people, it is crilts that we ensure that we have the

833
01:08:24,775 --> 01:08:28,779
protections necessary so that they don't pursue that harm to

834
01:08:28,779 --> 01:08:30,514
themselves. As a mom, this is a very

835
01:08:30,514 --> 01:08:33,510
emotional bill. And something that I know will

836
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:36,988
protect our young people across the state of new york.

837
01:08:36,988 --> 01:08:39,657
so I I am proud to vote in the affirmative and hope to continue

838
01:08:39,657 --> 01:08:43,728
to do everything we can to protect our young people from

839
01:08:43,728 --> 01:08:44,662
the harms of artificial intelligence.

840
01:08:44,662 --> 01:08:47,531
thank you so much. >> speaker: thank you ms. Gons

841
01:08:47,531 --> 01:08:50,668
less in the affirmative. Mr. Jensen to explain his

842
01:08:50,668 --> 01:08:52,403
vote. >> thank you, madam speaker to

843
01:08:52,403 --> 01:08:57,742
explain my vote. In about a month and a half ago

844
01:08:57,742 --> 01:09:00,745
my wife and I were sitting in the living room and we heard our

845
01:09:00,745 --> 01:09:04,148
seven-year-old in the kitchen start talking to the a.I.

846
01:09:04,148 --> 01:09:07,686
assistant in our kitchen. Having a full blown conversation

847
01:09:07,686 --> 01:09:13,860
with it. And for that reason, I vote yes.

848
01:09:13,958 --> 01:09:17,558
>> speaker: mr. Jensen in the affirmative.

849
01:09:26,771 --> 01:09:30,410
mr. Yeager to explain his vote.

850
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:32,477
>> thank you, madam speaker. Very briefly.

851
01:09:32,477 --> 01:09:40,877
I really am glad as I look at the board to see the unanimity

852
01:09:40,985 --> 01:09:44,722
this topic gets from both sides of the aisle.

853
01:09:44,722 --> 01:09:47,392
fining the right place to be for the people of new york, this is

854
01:09:47,392 --> 01:09:51,929
the kind of topic that really got our attention in a very real

855
01:09:51,929 --> 01:09:54,799
way I'm so grateful to the sponsor for doing this.

856
01:09:54,799 --> 01:09:58,870
it's also something we have to remember as he departs and we

857
01:09:58,870 --> 01:10:02,673
take these conversations up. By the time we are back here in

858
01:10:02,673 --> 01:10:05,943
january, it goes to be a whole new world of a.I.

859
01:10:05,943 --> 01:10:11,616
this stuff is developing so fast and so quickly, way faster than

860
01:10:11,616 --> 01:10:13,283
we are able to develop our responses to it.

861
01:10:13,283 --> 01:10:16,287
one of the things this bill does is ask the attorney general's

862
01:10:16,287 --> 01:10:22,287
office to write regulations and I'm hopeful that occurs as

863
01:10:23,961 --> 01:10:28,633
speedy as possible because this is happening right now and about

864
01:10:28,633 --> 01:10:31,302
the I time we blink twice, it will be a whole new level of

865
01:10:31,302 --> 01:10:34,505
a.I. We have to address. Thank you very much to the

866
01:10:34,505 --> 01:10:37,442
gentleman for sponsoring this and I photo in the affirmative.

867
01:10:37,442 --> 01:10:38,577
>> speaker: mr. Yeager in the affirmative.

868
01:10:38,577 --> 01:10:44,577
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

869
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:51,856
as a parent as somebody who who was a kid once a long time ago

870
01:10:51,856 --> 01:10:57,261
it's really frightening these days to see how much-- well,

871
01:10:57,261 --> 01:11:03,267
first, really, my two older boys, as they were going through

872
01:11:03,267 --> 01:11:07,538
school, they had flip phones and the changes just in that versus

873
01:11:07,538 --> 01:11:10,875
what I saw with my younger kids, it was really shocking and I

874
01:11:10,875 --> 01:11:17,810
think all of us saw and see routinely our kids getting so

875
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:19,884
deeply into their phones that they are really having

876
01:11:19,884 --> 01:11:22,884
difficulty connecting with real people.

877
01:11:26,230 --> 01:11:27,492
and I think this is important legislation.

878
01:11:27,492 --> 01:11:32,896
I'm very grateful to the sponsor for spending time with me, like

879
01:11:32,896 --> 01:11:36,934
in my office trying to explain this stuff ahead of time and

880
01:11:36,934 --> 01:11:40,704
letting me know what bills were coming up and why they were

881
01:11:40,704 --> 01:11:42,773
important. I appreciate your work in this

882
01:11:42,773 --> 01:11:47,144
area and I know that I believe, I hope that there will be

883
01:11:47,144 --> 01:11:51,115
somebody to pick up the mantle after you leave because I

884
01:11:51,115 --> 01:11:56,515
absolutely agree with the previous speaker and that's what

885
01:11:56,787 --> 01:11:59,457
scares me so much, there is always going to be the next

886
01:11:59,457 --> 01:12:02,860
thing and the next thing and we as the legislature are slow and

887
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:07,465
cloggy sometimes about getting work done and keeping up with

888
01:12:07,465 --> 01:12:10,101
technology and when we come back in january, we will have a whole

889
01:12:10,101 --> 01:12:12,736
new host of issues that we are going to be dealing with so I

890
01:12:12,736 --> 01:12:16,207
will be voting in the affirmative.

891
01:12:16,207 --> 01:12:20,477
hey, listen. If the second floor thinks this

892
01:12:20,477 --> 01:12:24,140
needs a tweak here or there but when you see the unanimous vote,

893
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:27,818
you know that there are a lot of people significantly worried

894
01:12:27,818 --> 01:12:29,488
about this and grateful for the initiative.

895
01:12:29,488 --> 01:12:33,900
I will be in the affirmative and I thank you, madam speaker.

896
01:12:33,900 --> 01:12:37,890
>> speaker: thank you ms. Walsh in the affirmative.

897
01:13:25,409 --> 01:13:26,144
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

898
01:13:26,144 --> 01:13:28,879
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 135 nays 0.

899
01:13:28,879 --> 01:13:33,790
>> speaker: the bill is passed. Ms. Peoples-stokes.

900
01:13:33,417 --> 01:13:36,754
>> madam speaker, members have on their desk an a calendar and

901
01:13:36,754 --> 01:13:40,954
b. Please now move to advance that

902
01:13:42,226 --> 01:13:44,226
one. >> speaker: on

903
01:13:44,628 --> 01:13:47,365
ms. Peoples-stokes motion, the a and b calendar are advanced.

904
01:13:47,365 --> 01:13:50,867
>> thank you. Now if we could go to rules

905
01:13:50,867 --> 01:13:54,467
report 534. By mr. Jacob son, please.

906
01:13:59,430 --> 01:14:02,180
>> speaker: on debate a calendar page 3 rules report 534 clerk

907
01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:05,780
will read. >> assembly 5036c rules report

908
01:14:06,117 --> 01:14:09,920
534 mr. Jacobson, kun current resolution of the senate and

909
01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:12,856
assembly proposing an amendment to section 2 is of article 6,

910
01:14:12,856 --> 01:14:17,560
article 13 and section 6, article 4 of the constitution.

911
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:23,602
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

912
01:14:23,602 --> 01:14:24,602
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

913
01:14:24,602 --> 01:14:29,402
an explanation has been asked mr. Jacob son.

914
01:14:32,877 --> 01:14:35,880
>> this constitutional amendment will move to even year elections

915
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,350
the remaining offices outside of new york city which were not

916
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:42,619
previously moved to even year elections.

917
01:14:42,619 --> 01:14:47,419
this change will not apply to village elections.

918
01:14:48,158 --> 01:14:52,958
previously the constitutional offices of sheriff, county clerk

919
01:14:55,990 --> 01:14:59,899
district attorney, family court judge, county court judge

920
01:14:59,970 --> 01:15:03,306
surrogate court judge and district judge and town

921
01:15:03,306 --> 01:15:08,379
justices, as well as cities could not be moved to even years

922
01:15:08,379 --> 01:15:11,582
by statute. This amendment means that ow

923
01:15:11,582 --> 01:15:16,387
side of new york city, all judicial officers, city

924
01:15:16,387 --> 01:15:20,580
officers, county clerks, district attorneys and sheriffs

925
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:24,258
will be elected in even year elections.

926
01:15:25,596 --> 01:15:32,350
the result of these changes will mean less voter confusion and

927
01:15:32,350 --> 01:15:37,708
higher turnout and counties will save a huge 5789 of money by not

928
01:15:37,708 --> 01:15:42,508
having to run annual elections. >> speaker: mr. Slater.

929
01:15:45,150 --> 01:15:47,840
>> good afternoon would the sponsor yield for some

930
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:47,953
questions. >> speaker: would the sponsor

931
01:15:47,953 --> 01:15:49,860
yield. >> yes, I will.

932
01:15:49,860 --> 01:15:52,220
>> sponsor yields. >> thank you very much

933
01:15:52,220 --> 01:15:58,622
mr. Jacobson, can you confirm that in 2023 we already moved a

934
01:15:59,611 --> 01:16:02,314
number-- a substantial number of town and county elections to

935
01:16:02,314 --> 01:16:08,314
even numbered years? >> yes, we did and have we taken

936
01:16:11,230 --> 01:16:14,626
the time to measure any of the metrics that come with that

937
01:16:14,626 --> 01:16:16,395
transition? Have we measured turnout

938
01:16:16,395 --> 01:16:19,395
changes? Have we measured voter

939
01:16:19,464 --> 01:16:22,534
engagement, voter knowledge? Have we measured any of those

940
01:16:22,534 --> 01:16:26,138
items in understanding how that transition has occurred?

941
01:16:26,138 --> 01:16:32,210
>> well, I'm sure that if you compared the turnout in the

942
01:16:32,210 --> 01:16:36,614
recent even years, there would be much higher than those in odd

943
01:16:36,614 --> 01:16:39,614
years. >> and has that transition

944
01:16:39,718 --> 01:16:43,318
concluded? Have all those elections moved

945
01:16:44,489 --> 01:16:47,826
moved to the even year cycles so we can properly measure turnout

946
01:16:47,826 --> 01:16:49,562
as you just said. >> sure.

947
01:16:49,562 --> 01:16:55,562
you can pleasure it. >> my question is have all the

948
01:16:55,567 --> 01:17:00,367
elections impacted transitioned to the even year cycles?

949
01:17:00,839 --> 01:17:07,446
>> no, because some of the town offices what have not come up

950
01:17:07,446 --> 01:17:14,319
yet but those that have, you can measure but they're not all

951
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:17,389
transitioned over so is it fair to say you cannot evaluate fully

952
01:17:17,389 --> 01:17:21,693
the impact of the last major reform that we are discussing.

953
01:17:21,693 --> 01:17:25,931
>> I can tell you right now if you compare the opportunity

954
01:17:25,931 --> 01:17:33,131
toker in your county in 2024, I guarantee you it was a lot

955
01:17:33,938 --> 01:17:40,538
higher than in 2023 or 2021. >> but can you gash tee that the

956
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:47,118
downballot candidates-- can you guarantee that the down ballot

957
01:17:47,118 --> 01:17:48,953
candidates received as much attention as they did

958
01:17:48,953 --> 01:17:50,421
previously. >> they were elected.

959
01:17:50,421 --> 01:17:54,210
>> except this is the first year.

960
01:17:54,826 --> 01:17:57,280
this november that these candidates are going to be on an

961
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,628
even year ballot. Is that accurate.

962
01:18:07,172 --> 01:18:13,772
>> we are confident that there will be greater turnout and I'm

963
01:18:14,746 --> 01:18:17,915
sure that the voters will make the decisions.

964
01:18:17,915 --> 01:18:21,586
>> based on that answer, my interpretation is that you

965
01:18:21,586 --> 01:18:27,792
cannot actually use any metrics to prove the fact that there is

966
01:18:27,792 --> 01:18:31,930
greater engagement on the down ballot offices because it has

967
01:18:31,930 --> 01:18:34,465
not occurred yet. >> I didn't say that.

968
01:18:34,465 --> 01:18:37,469
I said there is more turnout. >> I said it was my

969
01:18:37,469 --> 01:18:41,139
interpretation of your answer. >> well, that's your

970
01:18:41,139 --> 01:18:43,275
interpretation. I'm saying there is more turnout

971
01:18:43,275 --> 01:18:47,120
and and I'm sure that when you go door to door, you can talk

972
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:50,140
about voter engagement. >> can't wait to do it when I

973
01:18:50,140 --> 01:18:53,840
get home. Can the sponsor confirm that

974
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,422
new york city is exempt from the city election provisions of this

975
01:18:57,422 --> 01:18:59,357
amendment. >> that's true.

976
01:18:59,357 --> 01:19:03,462
>> why are cities and counties throughout the rest of

977
01:19:03,462 --> 01:19:05,564
new york state treated differently than the city of

978
01:19:05,564 --> 01:19:10,364
new york? >> well, first of all, we moved

979
01:19:11,570 --> 01:19:16,970
the town elections. And at the time, there were

980
01:19:19,444 --> 01:19:23,114
complaints, some on your side of the aisle, some on my side

981
01:19:23,114 --> 01:19:25,717
saying why aren't we moving all of it.

982
01:19:25,717 --> 01:19:29,755
>> it's going to be terrible because we will be having all

983
01:19:29,755 --> 01:19:35,326
these town and county elections and yet the county clerk or the

984
01:19:35,326 --> 01:19:39,464
da or the sheriff won't be in the same year and I would have

985
01:19:39,464 --> 01:19:44,864
to explain that we needed a constitutional amendment in

986
01:19:44,903 --> 01:19:49,508
fact, I have somebody who was a town judge out of my district

987
01:19:49,508 --> 01:19:56,314
said please changes this or I might be the only race on the

988
01:19:56,314 --> 01:19:59,685
ballot in an odd year so that's what we are doing.

989
01:19:59,685 --> 01:20:03,421
>> my question is why are our cities and counties throughout

990
01:20:03,421 --> 01:20:08,821
the rest of new york being treated differently than

991
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,900
new york city? First of all, new york city is

992
01:20:14,900 --> 01:20:19,571
quite different. If you look at the turnout

993
01:20:19,571 --> 01:20:26,171
outside of new york city much lower, less media coverage less

994
01:20:31,550 --> 01:20:34,652
daily newspapers than there used to be and what happens in

995
01:20:34,652 --> 01:20:35,921
new york city gets covered nationally.

996
01:20:35,921 --> 01:20:40,725
so they have a different situation if in the future we

997
01:20:40,725 --> 01:20:47,325
want to do that we can. And this is an incremental

998
01:20:48,667 --> 01:20:50,468
process. Basically, again my

999
01:20:50,468 --> 01:20:54,172
interpretation of your answer is because of the media

1000
01:20:54,172 --> 01:20:55,808
new york city gets they're being treated differently.

1001
01:20:55,808 --> 01:21:01,208
>> that's part of it. >> yeah can the sponsor confirm

1002
01:21:03,414 --> 01:21:06,170
that this exact proposal was already presented to the voters

1003
01:21:06,170 --> 01:21:10,817
of new york city? >> that this proposal what?

1004
01:21:12,490 --> 01:21:16,894
>> was presented to the voters of new york city was there not a

1005
01:21:16,894 --> 01:21:21,967
referendum in new york city to move their elections to even

1006
01:21:21,967 --> 01:21:25,567
years? >> well, it's not relevant to

1007
01:21:26,237 --> 01:21:27,972
this. There is-- there was a

1008
01:21:27,972 --> 01:21:30,775
referendum, it was an opinion referendum.

1009
01:21:30,775 --> 01:21:34,713
>> and the result of that referendum was that

1010
01:21:34,713 --> 01:21:38,913
new york city voters rejected that referendum.

1011
01:21:41,854 --> 01:21:43,722
>> yes. >> new york city voters--

1012
01:21:43,722 --> 01:21:45,858
>> they're not included in this so it doesn't make a difference.

1013
01:21:45,858 --> 01:21:50,610
>> they are in a sense because new york city voters were

1014
01:21:50,610 --> 01:21:54,599
allowed to reject this concept for themselves while

1015
01:21:54,599 --> 01:21:59,337
simultaneously being allowed to vote on whether the rest of

1016
01:21:59,337 --> 01:22:03,741
new york state should be subject to the exact thing that they

1017
01:22:03,741 --> 01:22:05,770
rejected. Is that true.

1018
01:22:05,770 --> 01:22:10,482
>> first of all, we are not changing the cones tuition to

1019
01:22:10,482 --> 01:22:14,753
say that the entire state can't vote on a constitutional

1020
01:22:14,753 --> 01:22:19,553
amendment. And it was-- it wasn't a binding

1021
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:26,498
referendum in new york city and I'm sure if it was binding,

1022
01:22:26,498 --> 01:22:29,167
would have been more education of the voters and we don't know

1023
01:22:29,167 --> 01:22:32,838
what the outcome would be. >> mr. Jacobson, the facts

1024
01:22:32,838 --> 01:22:37,142
remain that new york city was presented with a referendum to

1025
01:22:37,142 --> 01:22:40,645
move their elections to even years and rejected it but

1026
01:22:40,645 --> 01:22:42,581
because of the referendum process in new york, they will

1027
01:22:42,581 --> 01:22:45,717
be able to dictate that exact question for the rest of the

1028
01:22:45,717 --> 01:22:48,786
state even though they are exempt from the resolution

1029
01:22:48,786 --> 01:22:51,786
before us. >> they're not dictating

1030
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,656
anything. Hopefully we will pass this

1031
01:22:59,198 --> 01:23:02,267
constitutional amendment 24 year and next year and voters of the

1032
01:23:02,267 --> 01:23:04,869
entire state will get to vote. >> including the voters in the

1033
01:23:04,869 --> 01:23:07,938
five boroughs of new york city who said no to applying this to

1034
01:23:07,938 --> 01:23:11,743
themselves. >> well, there is always in a

1035
01:23:11,743 --> 01:23:16,543
constitutional amendment, the entire state gets to vote

1036
01:23:18,817 --> 01:23:20,850
including. >> including those who already

1037
01:23:20,850 --> 01:23:23,421
said no. Is the sponsor aware that the

1038
01:23:23,421 --> 01:23:28,426
new york state conference of mayors formally opposes this

1039
01:23:28,426 --> 01:23:33,226
proposal? >> I've heard some of that but I

1040
01:23:34,566 --> 01:23:41,106
also know that once, I think once things get, moves along, it

1041
01:23:41,106 --> 01:23:44,509
will be a lot better. >> so you disagree with their

1042
01:23:44,509 --> 01:23:49,309
concerns regarding voter fatigue, that they raised in

1043
01:23:49,514 --> 01:23:53,510
their formal opposition. >> I think there is more voter

1044
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:59,123
fatigue when you have a lot of elections in one year, very few

1045
01:23:59,123 --> 01:24:02,660
in another. And then it's just like when

1046
01:24:02,660 --> 01:24:05,396
voter fatigue when is you have a lot of elections.

1047
01:24:05,396 --> 01:24:09,802
when you have school board elections and fiery electricses

1048
01:24:09,802 --> 01:24:15,802
and all these different things that's voter fatigue and this

1049
01:24:16,207 --> 01:24:20,277
way it will be in even years and less confusion by the voters

1050
01:24:20,277 --> 01:24:22,414
which will also mean more turnout.

1051
01:24:22,414 --> 01:24:27,752
>> so do you, as a sponsor, then disagree that local races may

1052
01:24:27,752 --> 01:24:31,952
become overshadowed by federal or statewide races.

1053
01:24:32,691 --> 01:24:38,910
>> I don't think so. >> is it your position that

1054
01:24:39,970 --> 01:24:42,967
local elections receive too much attention since they are

1055
01:24:42,967 --> 01:24:48,367
currently off cycle? >> I have no opinion on that.

1056
01:24:50,441 --> 01:24:54,410
and I think that it's irrelevant.

1057
01:24:57,183 --> 01:25:00,118
>> I think it's very relevant whenever you are talking about

1058
01:25:00,118 --> 01:25:04,856
local elections. Your memo suggests a town judge

1059
01:25:04,856 --> 01:25:08,325
ship may be the only office on the ballot in some years.

1060
01:25:08,325 --> 01:25:10,861
I was trying to understand why that would be can you explain

1061
01:25:10,861 --> 01:25:12,998
that to me? >> sure, because if bee didn't

1062
01:25:12,998 --> 01:25:19,237
change that, the judges cycle would stay the same in the town

1063
01:25:19,237 --> 01:25:22,940
and, if they were elected in an odd year for four years, then

1064
01:25:22,940 --> 01:25:26,770
they would have it again and another four years, they would

1065
01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:30,148
be the odd years, while everything else will be in an

1066
01:25:30,148 --> 01:25:32,349
even year. In that town.

1067
01:25:32,349 --> 01:25:36,221
>> so under the provisions of the resolution that would, in

1068
01:25:36,221 --> 01:25:37,889
fact change. >> that's correct.

1069
01:25:37,889 --> 01:25:41,225
>> so we are not looking at a situation where you are only

1070
01:25:41,225 --> 01:25:43,695
having town judges on the ballot in odd years.

1071
01:25:43,695 --> 01:25:45,296
>> that's right. Should like that.

1072
01:25:45,296 --> 01:25:51,896
>> I don't know if I really do. During the implementation, will

1073
01:25:51,936 --> 01:25:56,736
any elected officials serve longer than voters originally

1074
01:25:57,642 --> 01:25:59,642
expected? >> no.

1075
01:26:00,911 --> 01:26:05,711
>> during's the implementation will any elected officials serve

1076
01:26:05,784 --> 01:26:07,452
shorter than voters originally expected?

1077
01:26:07,452 --> 01:26:11,652
>> no. >> will you have to adjust the

1078
01:26:13,724 --> 01:26:18,130
terms for the offices to match up with the odd year transition?

1079
01:26:18,130 --> 01:26:22,330
>> no. >> did we have to adjust the

1080
01:26:23,935 --> 01:26:30,409
terms of offices for those elections on the ballot now or

1081
01:26:30,409 --> 01:26:36,409
coming in the future to transition to this even year

1082
01:26:36,614 --> 01:26:40,814
cycle? >> no, what will happen is as

1083
01:26:41,686 --> 01:26:48,886
I'm sure you read the amendment is that if a judge's term

1084
01:26:51,395 --> 01:26:56,768
expires in an odd year, they would serve that term.

1085
01:26:56,768 --> 01:26:59,400
then there would be considered a vacancy.

1086
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:03,107
and then that vacancy would be filled as it is now.

1087
01:27:03,107 --> 01:27:10,307
so if it's a town judge, then the supervisor or the council,

1088
01:27:11,160 --> 01:27:15,920
whatever the local charter says, would get to make that

1089
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:19,124
appointment. That person would serve through

1090
01:27:19,124 --> 01:27:25,863
the next general year and there would be any exin november of

1091
01:27:25,863 --> 01:27:31,263
that even year. >> so then really you are taking

1092
01:27:31,936 --> 01:27:36,274
away the ability for the people to choose sin it's a vacancy

1093
01:27:36,274 --> 01:27:40,878
fill and a select few that are going to choose an extension of

1094
01:27:40,878 --> 01:27:45,780
one's term. >> well, when the election does

1095
01:27:51,555 --> 01:27:55,960
happen, there will be more voters participating and a

1096
01:27:55,960 --> 01:28:02,330
supervisor, such as yourself, ho was elected by the voters would

1097
01:28:02,330 --> 01:28:07,905
have a say in the appointment. >> but aren't we facing a

1098
01:28:07,905 --> 01:28:10,775
situation right now, as we deal with the other local elections,

1099
01:28:10,775 --> 01:28:15,847
that we have, in fact, changed the terms so that they get on to

1100
01:28:15,847 --> 01:28:19,917
even year elections; for example, in my town, there was a

1101
01:28:19,917 --> 01:28:24,756
local election last year and this year, the town supervisor

1102
01:28:24,756 --> 01:28:27,992
is running for election. So rather than a two-year term,

1103
01:28:27,992 --> 01:28:32,696
he is having or she, is having a one-year term.

1104
01:28:32,696 --> 01:28:35,733
, but in this instance you are saying we are going-- we are not

1105
01:28:35,733 --> 01:28:38,335
going to take that model up. We are going to do it

1106
01:28:38,335 --> 01:28:40,405
differently even though we are trying to accomplish the same

1107
01:28:40,405 --> 01:28:42,206
thing. And we are going to allow for a

1108
01:28:42,206 --> 01:28:48,206
vacancy committee to approve either extension or a new person

1109
01:28:52,684 --> 01:28:56,190
in in a situation like that you were describing.

1110
01:28:56,190 --> 01:28:58,990
>> I disagree with the term vacancy committee abuse that's a

1111
01:28:58,990 --> 01:29:02,600
very speck term when you are talking about elections, but it

1112
01:29:02,600 --> 01:29:04,829
would be-- the vacancy would be appointed.

1113
01:29:04,829 --> 01:29:07,898
>> an appointment. >> so we are knot going to-- we

1114
01:29:07,898 --> 01:29:11,168
are not going to reduce the term of any judges.

1115
01:29:11,168 --> 01:29:16,374
>> but it's still you are taking away the aem piece ability to

1116
01:29:16,374 --> 01:29:22,374
choose that individual using the town judge as an example.

1117
01:29:22,579 --> 01:29:25,316
the people are not going to decide that person should be

1118
01:29:25,316 --> 01:29:27,117
able to serve for an additional year.

1119
01:29:27,117 --> 01:29:31,550
they will be appointed by the town council or city council or

1120
01:29:31,550 --> 01:29:34,550
whoever it is. >> that's true.

1121
01:29:36,460 --> 01:29:37,928
that's who would do the appointment.

1122
01:29:37,928 --> 01:29:43,328
and then more people would choose the penal nent

1123
01:29:45,736 --> 01:29:52,936
replacement in that november of the even year is it the same

1124
01:29:53,211 --> 01:29:56,211
model for every other constitutional.

1125
01:29:58,683 --> 01:30:03,220
a state attorney runs for four years if a district attorney is

1126
01:30:03,220 --> 01:30:06,825
running and ran last year right in 2025.

1127
01:30:06,825 --> 01:30:09,961
they are, their expiration is in twine.

1128
01:30:09,961 --> 01:30:13,764
they have a four-year term. Who is going to be the da for

1129
01:30:13,764 --> 01:30:17,964
that one-year gap? >> it's already in the

1130
01:30:19,971 --> 01:30:23,975
constitution that the governor appoints with the advice and

1131
01:30:23,975 --> 01:30:27,575
consent of the senate. >> so even.

1132
01:30:28,579 --> 01:30:35,253
so even if the people elect someone for four years, we are

1133
01:30:35,253 --> 01:30:40,124
now setting up a trap door where they will not be able to hold

1134
01:30:40,124 --> 01:30:43,994
office for a year and now you are telling me that the governor

1135
01:30:43,994 --> 01:30:48,650
is going to be able to appoint somebody else to hold that

1136
01:30:48,650 --> 01:30:53,465
position for a year-- I'm going to continue going.

1137
01:30:56,974 --> 01:30:58,675
thanks. To hold that position for a year

1138
01:30:58,675 --> 01:31:02,146
and potentially run for reelection based on an

1139
01:31:02,146 --> 01:31:05,149
incumbency situation. >> we are not changing any of

1140
01:31:05,149 --> 01:31:09,349
the appointment process for scwudges, county clerks

1141
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:13,791
sheriffs, that's what it is now. >> you are just creating a trap

1142
01:31:13,791 --> 01:31:18,763
door for all those other elected officials so that the governor

1143
01:31:18,763 --> 01:31:24,763
can appoint somebody in those situations that's what you are

1144
01:31:26,404 --> 01:31:29,574
creating here I don't think it's a trap door.

1145
01:31:29,574 --> 01:31:35,130
I think it's a door that when it is open will lead to more

1146
01:31:35,130 --> 01:31:38,182
participation. >> by having one person, the

1147
01:31:38,182 --> 01:31:45,982
governor of new york, one person decide who is going to hold a

1148
01:31:46,457 --> 01:31:47,391
constitutional office for one year.

1149
01:31:47,391 --> 01:31:50,461
>> that's how it is now. If a person dies in the middle

1150
01:31:50,461 --> 01:31:52,264
of the term, the governor gets to appoint.

1151
01:31:52,264 --> 01:31:55,800
that's how it is now. >> right but obviously the

1152
01:31:55,800 --> 01:31:58,936
legislature isn't setting up a situation where you are going to

1153
01:31:58,936 --> 01:32:01,472
cause someone's death this that role.

1154
01:32:01,472 --> 01:32:04,608
I think that's a bit of an extreme example that you

1155
01:32:04,608 --> 01:32:06,770
provided. You are creating a trap door

1156
01:32:06,770 --> 01:32:11,820
because you are not either elongating or truncate the years

1157
01:32:11,820 --> 01:32:16,354
of term, like we have for those elections that are are currently

1158
01:32:16,354 --> 01:32:18,394
transitioning to an even year cycle.

1159
01:32:18,394 --> 01:32:20,731
have you created two different standards.

1160
01:32:20,731 --> 01:32:25,702
>> no, we are not-- first of all we are not truncate.

1161
01:32:25,702 --> 01:32:28,906
we are putting in the constitutional amendment it says

1162
01:32:28,906 --> 01:32:34,906
the office of sheriff, county clerk,and district attorney will

1163
01:32:35,112 --> 01:32:39,716
be four years. >> but four is an even number

1164
01:32:39,716 --> 01:32:42,586
and so you are still going to create a trap door situation.

1165
01:32:42,586 --> 01:32:46,186
that's fine. And it's also terrible.

1166
01:32:46,256 --> 01:32:54,560
I want to, if we can we recently talked about the texts texts

1167
01:32:54,131 --> 01:32:58,134
these referendum. Will the ballot question explain

1168
01:32:58,134 --> 01:33:03,534
that new york city is exempt from this received.

1169
01:33:09,813 --> 01:33:11,548
>> it hasn't been prepared. %

1170
01:33:11,548 --> 01:33:13,717
I would say probably we would talk about that.

1171
01:33:13,717 --> 01:33:16,870
>> we talked about something similar in this realm and this

1172
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:20,240
is the kind of collaboration that I think is important.

1173
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:25,295
>> if the bill that we passed yesterday gets signed the

1174
01:33:25,295 --> 01:33:30,501
legislature can make sure that it is an accurate portrayal

1175
01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:33,370
accurate description of the amendment.

1176
01:33:33,370 --> 01:33:36,840
>> same legislature that is creating a trap door for our

1177
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,420
sheriffs, district attorneys and judges.

1178
01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:42,712
will the ballot question explain that new york city voters

1179
01:33:42,712 --> 01:33:45,381
previously rejected a similar proposal?

1180
01:33:45,381 --> 01:33:48,318
>> no. >> so we are not going to be

1181
01:33:48,318 --> 01:33:50,920
honest with the voters when they're voting on something like

1182
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:53,323
this? >> that has nothing to to do

1183
01:33:53,323 --> 01:33:55,592
with the terms after the amendment.

1184
01:33:55,592 --> 01:33:58,861
>> I would disagree. >> when you have an amendment,

1185
01:33:58,861 --> 01:34:02,666
do not put-- and by the way we adopted a certain thing, you

1186
01:34:02,666 --> 01:34:05,100
don't put the bill history on that.

1187
01:34:05,100 --> 01:34:10,740
you put a description of what it is and that's what we do.

1188
01:34:10,740 --> 01:34:15,278
>> this is a very complicated matter because the structural

1189
01:34:15,278 --> 01:34:17,948
deficiencies we have identified and so if we are going to be

1190
01:34:17,948 --> 01:34:21,417
honest with the voters so they understand at an eighth grade

1191
01:34:21,417 --> 01:34:24,821
level what this is growing to do, I just want to make sure

1192
01:34:24,821 --> 01:34:27,157
that we are clear what we are telling them.

1193
01:34:27,157 --> 01:34:30,494
will the ballot question explain to the legislature grantingth

1194
01:34:30,494 --> 01:34:34,497
future authority over the implementation of this

1195
01:34:34,497 --> 01:34:36,497
transition? >> yes.

1196
01:34:38,835 --> 01:34:42,638
>> I hear yes and no. >> the ballot question is not at

1197
01:34:42,638 --> 01:34:44,975
issue here. >> but it's going to become an

1198
01:34:44,975 --> 01:34:51,575
issue because we have to ask the voters to approve it.

1199
01:34:52,182 --> 01:34:56,982
>> speaker: mr. Blumencranz lack of sleep, I'm sorry.

1200
01:34:56,987 --> 01:34:59,322
mr. Slater. If we could make sure-- I

1201
01:34:59,322 --> 01:35:04,293
believe that we are trying to get to the understanding of the

1202
01:35:04,293 --> 01:35:08,398
bill, but the ballot questions are not part of this proposal

1203
01:35:08,398 --> 01:35:11,998
thank you. >> is there a section,

1204
01:35:26,283 --> 01:35:29,686
mr. Jacobson that grants the legislature to make future

1205
01:35:29,686 --> 01:35:31,554
transition adjustments by statute.

1206
01:35:31,554 --> 01:35:34,554
>> yes. >> why is that authority

1207
01:35:35,224 --> 01:35:38,224
necessary. >> because when whenever there

1208
01:35:39,229 --> 01:35:44,290
is a constitutional amendment, the legislature always enacts

1209
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,906
statutes to implement it. We do that with the executive

1210
01:35:49,906 --> 01:35:54,710
branch, we do that with the judicial branch so that's just

1211
01:35:54,710 --> 01:36:00,710
standard operating procedure. >> is it that we are giving the

1212
01:36:01,551 --> 01:36:05,788
legislature the ability to execute or make adjustments as

1213
01:36:05,788 --> 01:36:09,988
needed. >> we will be carrying out the

1214
01:36:11,661 --> 01:36:17,661
intent of the amendment. >> I think if you look at

1215
01:36:19,870 --> 01:36:27,700
section 10 there is a question on the text the way some have

1216
01:36:29,345 --> 01:36:33,416
interpreted it, they have given themselves authority to make

1217
01:36:33,416 --> 01:36:35,284
changes following the constitutional amendment which

1218
01:36:35,284 --> 01:36:37,154
in my mind counters the constitutional amendment because

1219
01:36:37,154 --> 01:36:40,890
we are telling the voters we want you to approve a, and then

1220
01:36:40,890 --> 01:36:46,229
if they approve a, we are giving ourselves the authority then to

1221
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:52,350
statutorily change a to a .1, a .2, a .3 without their approval

1222
01:36:52,350 --> 01:36:55,635
and even without their only knowledge.

1223
01:36:56,307 --> 01:36:59,842
am I reading that section correctly if not please give me

1224
01:36:59,842 --> 01:37:01,511
your interpretation. >> you are not.

1225
01:37:01,511 --> 01:37:04,647
all it says is we can pass legislation to implement the

1226
01:37:04,647 --> 01:37:07,183
amendment. >> so we will not change

1227
01:37:07,183 --> 01:37:13,183
statutorily anything that has to do with the transition of

1228
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:18,127
constitutional offices from odd to even years, if this is

1229
01:37:18,127 --> 01:37:20,530
passed. The legislature will not pass a

1230
01:37:20,530 --> 01:37:26,530
bill a piece of legislation. Do no changes to whatsoever.

1231
01:37:27,404 --> 01:37:34,400
>> we will not pass any bill that would not be effectuated

1232
01:37:35,912 --> 01:37:39,512
this amendment. >> and is that understanding

1233
01:37:42,619 --> 01:37:47,419
going to be properly explained to the voters?

1234
01:37:54,564 --> 01:38:00,904
>> when we have bills, I would hope that when you submit a

1235
01:38:00,904 --> 01:38:04,707
bill, you explain it to your constituents and when I have

1236
01:38:04,707 --> 01:38:07,978
bills or we vote on bills, we explain it to our constituents.

1237
01:38:07,978 --> 01:38:10,814
>> I would just make note that I hope we are not going to be

1238
01:38:10,814 --> 01:38:14,318
submitting bills to make adjustments to a constitutional

1239
01:38:14,318 --> 01:38:17,587
amendment because I think we are giving ourselves as a

1240
01:38:17,587 --> 01:38:19,724
legislature unwielding and unchecked authority.

1241
01:38:19,724 --> 01:38:25,196
>> I said we are all going to do is pass legislation to implement

1242
01:38:25,196 --> 01:38:28,632
there amendment. >> and if we have to make

1243
01:38:28,632 --> 01:38:30,600
adjustments for that implementation, we are giving

1244
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:34,671
ourselves the ability to do it without going back to the

1245
01:38:34,671 --> 01:38:38,800
voters. >> we are just going to

1246
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:40,210
implement the amendment. >> thank you very much for

1247
01:38:40,210 --> 01:38:44,800
answering my questions. Madam speaker, if I can go on

1248
01:38:44,800 --> 01:38:45,215
the bill. >> speaker: on the bill.

1249
01:38:45,215 --> 01:38:50,860
>> with my remaining time and I just a lot of questions that

1250
01:38:50,860 --> 01:38:56,686
remain in my mind why are we in such a hurry.

1251
01:38:57,594 --> 01:39:00,430
three years ago this legislature enact the legislation that

1252
01:39:00,430 --> 01:39:03,833
fundamentally changed how local elections are conducted in

1253
01:39:03,833 --> 01:39:07,170
new york. Those changes are only now

1254
01:39:07,170 --> 01:39:12,420
beginning to take effect. The transition has not been

1255
01:39:12,420 --> 01:39:16,460
completed and the first cycle has not even occurred.

1256
01:39:16,460 --> 01:39:19,382
the results are unknown yet before we have measured turnout,

1257
01:39:19,382 --> 01:39:23,252
before we have measured voter engagement, before we have

1258
01:39:23,252 --> 01:39:26,122
measured accountability and before we have heard from the

1259
01:39:26,122 --> 01:39:30,126
communities that are affected, we are being asked to amend the

1260
01:39:30,126 --> 01:39:33,726
constitution and move even more elections.

1261
01:39:35,198 --> 01:39:39,502
I think that this is a premature step.

1262
01:39:39,502 --> 01:39:42,872
we haven't even seen the results of the first step yet but there

1263
01:39:42,872 --> 01:39:46,675
is another issue that should concern every member of this

1264
01:39:46,675 --> 01:39:49,278
chamber and frankly every new yorker.

1265
01:39:49,278 --> 01:39:53,516
new york city is exempt from these provisions yet

1266
01:39:53,516 --> 01:39:58,488
new york city voters will still participate in a statewide

1267
01:39:58,488 --> 01:40:01,424
referendum that could impose these changes on every other

1268
01:40:01,424 --> 01:40:05,428
city and county in new york. Translation is the voters of

1269
01:40:05,428 --> 01:40:11,167
new york city will determine elections for my constituents in

1270
01:40:11,167 --> 01:40:15,438
putnam county. In erie county; and so on and so

1271
01:40:15,438 --> 01:40:18,241
forth. Yet it doesn't apply to them.

1272
01:40:18,241 --> 01:40:21,444
and that's particularly striking because new york city voters

1273
01:40:21,444 --> 01:40:24,781
were previously given the opportunity to consider a

1274
01:40:24,781 --> 01:40:29,581
similar proposal for themselves. And they rejected it.

1275
01:40:29,585 --> 01:40:31,921
apparently new york city voters were entitled to decide this

1276
01:40:31,921 --> 01:40:37,260
question for themselves. The rest of new york is not.

1277
01:40:37,260 --> 01:40:39,396
madam speaker, I have the privilege of serving as town

1278
01:40:39,396 --> 01:40:42,565
survivor before conditionalling here to this chamber and I can

1279
01:40:42,565 --> 01:40:46,200
tell you there is something fundamentally different about

1280
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:47,804
local government. Many of my colleagues who have

1281
01:40:47,804 --> 01:40:50,406
served in local government acknowledge that.

1282
01:40:50,406 --> 01:40:52,742
local governments where residents show up to complain

1283
01:40:52,742 --> 01:40:55,344
about pot holes and where families ask for safer

1284
01:40:55,344 --> 01:40:57,681
intersections where business owners seek permits where

1285
01:40:57,681 --> 01:41:00,681
parents advocate for their neighborhoods.

1286
01:41:01,283 --> 01:41:05,355
it's where government is closest to the people local government

1287
01:41:05,355 --> 01:41:10,260
is not washington and it is not here in albany and should not be

1288
01:41:10,260 --> 01:41:13,196
treated as an after thought. Throughout this debate we heard

1289
01:41:13,196 --> 01:41:15,665
concerns about elections where only local officials may appear

1290
01:41:15,665 --> 01:41:20,465
on the ballot. Frankly I don't understand why

1291
01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:27,770
that is problem if the only office in the ballot is district

1292
01:41:29,713 --> 01:41:32,582
attorney, voters can focus on justice.

1293
01:41:32,582 --> 01:41:39,589
if the only office on the ballot is judge, voters can focus on

1294
01:41:39,589 --> 01:41:42,325
qualification on temperament. They're not empty they're

1295
01:41:42,325 --> 01:41:43,993
focused. And there is value in giving

1296
01:41:43,993 --> 01:41:46,996
voters the opportunity to focus on offices that most affect

1297
01:41:46,996 --> 01:41:51,868
their daily lives. We also heard concerns raised by

1298
01:41:51,868 --> 01:41:55,271
nycom that formally opposes this legislation and warn is that

1299
01:41:55,271 --> 01:41:58,141
longer ballot may reduce attention to local races and

1300
01:41:58,141 --> 01:42:01,141
weaken accountability for local officials.

1301
01:42:01,211 --> 01:42:05,411
those concerns deserve consideration democracy not just

1302
01:42:08,418 --> 01:42:10,754
about how many voters show up but if the voters are informed

1303
01:42:10,754 --> 01:42:13,823
about the choices before them. This debate is not high turnout

1304
01:42:13,823 --> 01:42:18,623
versus low turnout it's informed participation versus informed

1305
01:42:20,430 --> 01:42:23,833
decision making and there is one final concern.

1306
01:42:23,833 --> 01:42:28,380
this amendment grants the legislature future authority to

1307
01:42:28,380 --> 01:42:30,507
make transition decisions and adjustments.

1308
01:42:30,507 --> 01:42:34,310
we can disagree on that interpretation but that's how I

1309
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:38,448
read it and as we identified it creates a trap door for many of

1310
01:42:38,448 --> 01:42:44,530
these county elected individuals to be replaced by one person,

1311
01:42:44,530 --> 01:42:48,191
the governor of new york will the voters be told that?

1312
01:42:48,191 --> 01:42:53,620
will voters be told that terms may be adjusted or that

1313
01:42:53,620 --> 01:42:59,602
new york city is exempt? If those facts are not explained

1314
01:42:59,602 --> 01:43:03,773
can we honestly say that voters are being asked to make a fully

1315
01:43:03,773 --> 01:43:06,809
informed decision. Madam speaker changing election

1316
01:43:06,809 --> 01:43:11,900
law is significant. Changing the constitution is

1317
01:43:11,147 --> 01:43:13,349
even more significant and changing the constitution before

1318
01:43:13,349 --> 01:43:19,349
we evaluate the last reform is not careful governance, it's

1319
01:43:19,923 --> 01:43:22,826
purely speculation. First albany changed the rules

1320
01:43:22,826 --> 01:43:25,161
and now wants to change the constitution for the second time

1321
01:43:25,161 --> 01:43:29,232
in less than 24 hours and before we have even seen if the first

1322
01:43:29,232 --> 01:43:32,232
change works. Local government deserves

1323
01:43:35,380 --> 01:43:38,638
better. For these reasons, and many,

1324
01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:44,381
many more,ly be voting no as many times as I possibly can and

1325
01:43:44,381 --> 01:43:47,500
I urge everybody here to do the same.

1326
01:43:47,500 --> 01:43:49,252
>> speaker: thank you. Mr. Sempolinski.

1327
01:43:49,252 --> 01:43:52,455
>> thank you, madam speaker. Will the sponsor yields to are

1328
01:43:52,455 --> 01:43:55,192
some questions? >> speaker: would the sponsor

1329
01:43:55,192 --> 01:43:57,192
yield. >> yes.

1330
01:43:57,594 --> 01:44:01,264
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> so the process for this, we

1331
01:44:01,264 --> 01:44:03,466
learned a lot about constitutional process this

1332
01:44:03,466 --> 01:44:07,537
week. We would pass it this term.

1333
01:44:07,537 --> 01:44:11,774
presumably it would come up again after an intervening

1334
01:44:11,774 --> 01:44:14,345
election and it would go before the electorate, is that correct?

1335
01:44:14,345 --> 01:44:19,916
>> yes if bee pass this amendment this year, it has to

1336
01:44:19,916 --> 01:44:26,516
come up in a-- in the next session elected by different

1337
01:44:27,623 --> 01:44:29,559
voters. >> would it be your intention to

1338
01:44:29,559 --> 01:44:33,759
put this before the electorate in 2027 or 2028?

1339
01:44:34,431 --> 01:44:41,310
>> that hasn't been decided yet. And that's not in the amendment.

1340
01:44:42,706 --> 01:44:49,306
>> so because I know in >> so, when we did prop 1 a

1341
01:44:50,113 --> 01:44:54,450
little bit ago it got pushed to an even year, I think it would

1342
01:44:54,450 --> 01:44:59,188
be profoundly ironic if this particular amendment came up in

1343
01:44:59,188 --> 01:45:03,388
2027, wouldn't you? >> I haven't thought about that,

1344
01:45:03,593 --> 01:45:05,795
actually. >> because 27 is an odd number,

1345
01:45:05,795 --> 01:45:11,195
just for the record. Would anybody in their current

1346
01:45:15,537 --> 01:45:19,475
term finish the current term to which they are elected?

1347
01:45:19,475 --> 01:45:21,944
>> yes, everybody would finish their current term.

1348
01:45:21,944 --> 01:45:25,280
>> then, whenever they'd come up, they'd run in the year they

1349
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:29,485
were supposed to run in, an odd numbered year, and run for one

1350
01:45:29,485 --> 01:45:32,870
yore less? That's how we handled the

1351
01:45:32,870 --> 01:45:34,290
previous statute. No, that's not in this.

1352
01:45:34,290 --> 01:45:35,958
>> okay. How would it work then?

1353
01:45:35,958 --> 01:45:41,163
>> there would with a vacancy, and the vacancy would be filled.

1354
01:45:41,163 --> 01:45:45,340
assuming you're talking about when someone's term gets done in

1355
01:45:45,340 --> 01:45:47,370
an odd year? >> yes.

1356
01:45:47,370 --> 01:45:50,372
>> if it gets done in an odd year, then there would be a

1357
01:45:50,372 --> 01:45:53,420
vacancy at the end of the completion of the term.

1358
01:45:53,420 --> 01:45:57,380
the vague at this would be filled according to law, and

1359
01:45:57,380 --> 01:46:03,318
then there would be an election in that even year.

1360
01:46:03,318 --> 01:46:07,990
>> I don't want to put words in mr. Slater's mouth, I think it

1361
01:46:07,990 --> 01:46:09,859
was the trap door he was referring to.

1362
01:46:09,859 --> 01:46:13,463
so you're going to force there to be a period of time for all

1363
01:46:13,463 --> 01:46:17,400
folks that are elected on odd numbered years where there would

1364
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:21,471
be a year where the electorate is not choosing who is holding

1365
01:46:21,471 --> 01:46:24,607
that office, they would be appointed by the governor or

1366
01:46:24,607 --> 01:46:28,344
local board or whatever? >> I would be whatever the law

1367
01:46:28,344 --> 01:46:35,284
is as we handle vacancies now, the same way that, on your town

1368
01:46:35,284 --> 01:46:40,489
board, if there's a vacancy, you get to appoint.

1369
01:46:40,489 --> 01:46:45,289
>> but you're protensionly and almost inevitably creating some

1370
01:46:46,161 --> 01:46:50,633
very long vacancies, in this case as you do the transition,

1371
01:46:50,633 --> 01:46:54,904
if it goes as you've described it, you've got a year where

1372
01:46:54,904 --> 01:46:58,241
enormous numbers of offices as you're transitions are going to

1373
01:46:58,241 --> 01:47:03,410
be unelected people. That's a pretty dangerous for

1374
01:47:04,113 --> 01:47:07,451
democracy, wouldn't you think? >> I don't think -- I think that

1375
01:47:07,451 --> 01:47:12,851
we have appointed people to all kind of offices.

1376
01:47:13,323 --> 01:47:17,927
in your town, your town board appoints when there's vacancies,

1377
01:47:17,927 --> 01:47:22,197
and we do that throughout, and I don't think that it's --

1378
01:47:22,197 --> 01:47:26,135
>> but it happens occasionally? Happens in the case of some sort

1379
01:47:26,135 --> 01:47:30,740
of tragic death or resignation, it doesn't hall wholesale across

1380
01:47:30,740 --> 01:47:33,743
the board across the state? >> but the solution is the same

1381
01:47:33,743 --> 01:47:36,212
either way. What I'm saying is we had a

1382
01:47:36,212 --> 01:47:38,810
different solution the last time we did this.

1383
01:47:38,810 --> 01:47:42,281
but, okay. Also, with vacancies, if you

1384
01:47:42,284 --> 01:47:47,840
have somebody resigned under this proposed amendment, resign

1385
01:47:48,358 --> 01:47:55,298
or die early in an odd numbered year, you might have an

1386
01:47:55,298 --> 01:47:58,300
unelected replacement for almost two years.

1387
01:47:58,300 --> 01:48:04,900
>> well, it would be from the time of the appointment until

1388
01:48:06,420 --> 01:48:08,911
the general election in the next even year.

1389
01:48:08,911 --> 01:48:13,449
yeah, so imagine somebody, heaven forbid, dies january 1 of

1390
01:48:13,449 --> 01:48:17,319
an odd numbered year, you're not going to have anybody in the

1391
01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:22,858
public having a say over that office until november of the

1392
01:48:22,858 --> 01:48:26,662
following year. >> well, the office would be

1393
01:48:26,662 --> 01:48:29,865
filled by people who have been elected.

1394
01:48:29,865 --> 01:48:32,735
>> okay, but the people wouldn't be choosing that?

1395
01:48:32,735 --> 01:48:36,500
>> the process is that those appointing are people that have

1396
01:48:36,500 --> 01:48:40,230
been elected. >> you keep say we're using the

1397
01:48:40,230 --> 01:48:44,161
same process which is correct but it was never intended to

1398
01:48:44,161 --> 01:48:47,832
fill office force multiple years, it was intended to fill

1399
01:48:47,832 --> 01:48:53,304
until the next general election, in which case that would be

1400
01:48:53,304 --> 01:48:55,505
under a year in our current system.

1401
01:48:55,505 --> 01:48:59,105
>> what is the question? I'm sorry.

1402
01:49:00,511 --> 01:49:04,116
>> did you catch everything? Are all offices included?

1403
01:49:04,116 --> 01:49:06,918
this is sort of a mop-up from things that could been changed

1404
01:49:06,918 --> 01:49:10,588
in the last statute. >> yeah, I would not call it a

1405
01:49:10,588 --> 01:49:13,457
mop-up, I would say it would be keeling with those

1406
01:49:13,457 --> 01:49:16,527
constitutional offices that could not have been done by

1407
01:49:16,527 --> 01:49:18,796
statute. >> so, the intention is that

1408
01:49:18,796 --> 01:49:24,401
there's no elections at all outside of the city of new york

1409
01:49:24,401 --> 01:49:28,601
in an odd numbered year? >> that's correct.

1410
01:49:28,638 --> 01:49:33,477
>> I have a technical question -- a lot of party

1411
01:49:33,477 --> 01:49:36,947
positions state party committee, county party committee, not

1412
01:49:36,947 --> 01:49:40,951
elected in the general election but primary elections.

1413
01:49:40,951 --> 01:49:45,223
if more than one person runs for a county or state committee slot

1414
01:49:45,223 --> 01:49:49,426
that is adjudicated in an open primary, oftentimes in an odd

1415
01:49:49,426 --> 01:49:53,297
numbered of year the republican party elects their state nominee

1416
01:49:53,297 --> 01:49:59,937
in an odd numbered year, half the republican counties do it in

1417
01:49:59,937 --> 01:50:04,708
an odd numbered year, are they going to be the only thing on

1418
01:50:04,708 --> 01:50:08,112
the ballot in a primary in an odd numbered year?

1419
01:50:08,112 --> 01:50:13,316
>> it could be, but that's not what this is dealing with.

1420
01:50:13,316 --> 01:50:19,316
this is dealing with elected public officials so that they

1421
01:50:19,658 --> 01:50:23,858
will be running in even years, eventually.

1422
01:50:24,728 --> 01:50:28,798
>> but my point is, if you miss something like that, a party

1423
01:50:28,798 --> 01:50:32,690
official, which is handled through the board of elections,

1424
01:50:32,690 --> 01:50:36,500
now you're not saving any money because they have to run an

1425
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:38,575
election. >> well, I think that the cost

1426
01:50:38,575 --> 01:50:45,775
of running a district committee race is a lot less than running

1427
01:50:45,883 --> 01:50:48,351
countywide. >> quite possibly and quite

1428
01:50:48,351 --> 01:50:50,154
probably. >> I would say definitely

1429
01:50:50,154 --> 01:50:56,754
because you're not going to havn districts, you're not going to

1430
01:50:59,296 --> 01:51:01,365
have 300 inspectors. >> you could.

1431
01:51:01,365 --> 01:51:07,704
you could have a primary in every one of those election

1432
01:51:07,704 --> 01:51:09,704
districts. >> it's possible.

1433
01:51:11,575 --> 01:51:12,976
>> okay. New york city, the largest city

1434
01:51:12,976 --> 01:51:16,579
in america, in the state, is excluded from this.

1435
01:51:16,579 --> 01:51:20,651
your answer to mr. Slater was because they have more intense

1436
01:51:20,651 --> 01:51:23,520
media coverage. Yeah, and they're different.

1437
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:31,320
and what we're doing is, this is a piecemeal, this is a process

1438
01:51:31,728 --> 01:51:35,799
that we're taking incrementally, I should say, it's an

1439
01:51:35,799 --> 01:51:41,199
incremental process and, so, now, we're dealing with even

1440
01:51:49,346 --> 01:51:52,150
year elections outside of north country.

1441
01:51:52,150 --> 01:51:55,352
>> if this is so important that it has to change the entire

1442
01:51:55,352 --> 01:51:58,622
electoral system of the part of the state that I'm from, why not

1443
01:51:58,622 --> 01:52:06,422
do it for everybody all at once? You could change it in two

1444
01:52:10,701 --> 01:52:14,301
seconds. >> we're not new york city.

1445
01:52:14,438 --> 01:52:17,574
the reason we're doing this now, as I mentioned before, is

1446
01:52:17,574 --> 01:52:21,174
because there were constitutional offices they

1447
01:52:22,713 --> 01:52:26,517
could not have been done by statute, so, now, all those

1448
01:52:26,517 --> 01:52:29,786
positions will be the same as the others.

1449
01:52:29,786 --> 01:52:33,986
>> except for the city of new york.

1450
01:52:34,591 --> 01:52:40,530
>> the county court, county clerk, the sheriff will be in

1451
01:52:40,530 --> 01:52:43,734
the same year as the county executive and the county

1452
01:52:43,734 --> 01:52:46,536
legislature. >> right, but I still don't

1453
01:52:46,536 --> 01:52:50,140
understand why new york city would be included other than you

1454
01:52:50,140 --> 01:52:54,144
have answered about media and maybe it's excluded, and you

1455
01:52:54,144 --> 01:52:56,214
will come back to it. I think everybody in the state

1456
01:52:56,214 --> 01:52:58,816
of new york should be treated the same.

1457
01:52:58,816 --> 01:53:04,216
do you not? >> just want to say to you

1458
01:53:07,825 --> 01:53:10,494
prior, you know, we do treat new york city different.

1459
01:53:10,494 --> 01:53:13,630
there are a lot of bills that don't talk about how they only

1460
01:53:13,630 --> 01:53:18,435
apply to a city oaf 1 million, and, so --

1461
01:53:18,435 --> 01:53:23,173
>> this has nothing to do with the partisan makeup of the city

1462
01:53:23,173 --> 01:53:25,573
of new york? >> no.

1463
01:53:25,576 --> 01:53:27,243
>> okay. Well, I'm going to go on the

1464
01:53:27,243 --> 01:53:28,245
bill. >> speaker: on the bill.

1465
01:53:28,245 --> 01:53:31,649
>> so, if I'm counting right, I'm a little punchy because it's

1466
01:53:31,649 --> 01:53:36,153
been a rough week, I think this is blatant power grab number

1467
01:53:36,153 --> 01:53:40,191
four but I may be off one or two, I don't know.

1468
01:53:40,191 --> 01:53:47,391
I think we should not be mixing local elections with state and

1469
01:53:47,931 --> 01:53:53,331
federal elections. We have such a problem in this

1470
01:53:54,938 --> 01:53:59,138
country of hyperpartisanship, hyperpolarization, and one of

1471
01:54:01,780 --> 01:54:06,550
the few areas of our system that has avoided that is some of our

1472
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:09,190
local. I represent a lot of really

1473
01:54:09,190 --> 01:54:11,755
small towns where people are measured in the hundreds and in

1474
01:54:11,755 --> 01:54:18,896
some cases less than a hundred. You don't have a lot of

1475
01:54:18,896 --> 01:54:23,967
hyperpartisanship there, they just want the roads plowed, tax

1476
01:54:23,967 --> 01:54:27,905
money handled appropriately, and we're going to inject the

1477
01:54:27,905 --> 01:54:31,574
disease of hyperpartisanship and polarization into those local

1478
01:54:31,574 --> 01:54:35,245
elections by tying them to what's further up the food chain

1479
01:54:35,245 --> 01:54:41,719
and, as I said, this has been a very disappointing and offensive

1480
01:54:41,719 --> 01:54:48,319
week for what has happened here with the manipulation of our

1481
01:54:49,590 --> 01:54:52,329
election system. I'll say the same thing I said

1482
01:54:52,329 --> 01:54:57,401
with the last silly amendment, please stop messing with the

1483
01:54:57,401 --> 01:55:00,401
state constitution. >> speaker: mr. Palmesano.

1484
01:55:08,479 --> 01:55:10,213
>> will the sponsor yield. >> speaker: will the sponsor

1485
01:55:10,213 --> 01:55:10,947
yield? >> yes.

1486
01:55:10,947 --> 01:55:13,347
>> speaker: the sponsor yields.

1487
01:55:15,819 --> 01:55:20,491
>> I'm going to repeat some comments made but I think it's

1488
01:55:20,491 --> 01:55:27,910
important to talk about it. I've heard you speak about even

1489
01:55:27,230 --> 01:55:30,300
year elections. This is about you believe it

1490
01:55:30,300 --> 01:55:35,100
will improve democracy, this will improve participation in

1491
01:55:35,506 --> 01:55:38,575
our democracy. Is that what you think?

1492
01:55:38,575 --> 01:55:41,978
>> I think there will be greater turnout and when we do that's

1493
01:55:41,978 --> 01:55:45,716
good for democracy. And, so, you trust the voters.

1494
01:55:45,716 --> 01:55:48,652
>> I trust the voters. I think anybody that seeks the

1495
01:55:48,652 --> 01:55:51,540
voters trust should trust the voters.

1496
01:55:51,540 --> 01:55:55,254
>> I agree. About this turnout and this

1497
01:55:57,461 --> 01:56:02,399
trust, so, now we're going to pass this now and then we would

1498
01:56:02,399 --> 01:56:07,199
have to pass this resolution next year, right?

1499
01:56:08,271 --> 01:56:11,208
>> either next year or the year after.

1500
01:56:11,208 --> 01:56:14,678
>> but would you agree, if you want that participation, you

1501
01:56:14,678 --> 01:56:20,780
said you hadn't decided, shouldn't you commit and say

1502
01:56:21,618 --> 01:56:27,958
we're going to bring this up for a vote in 2018, wouldn't you say

1503
01:56:27,958 --> 01:56:33,162
if you so strongly believe going to an even year election, why

1504
01:56:33,162 --> 01:56:38,634
don't you commit now in front of this body in the interest of

1505
01:56:38,634 --> 01:56:44,400
full transparency of the voters that we'll put it on the ballot

1506
01:56:44,400 --> 01:56:47,577
in 2028 instead of 2027? Shouldn't we do that?

1507
01:56:47,577 --> 01:56:51,448
>> that's a very good suggestion and I will pass that along.

1508
01:56:51,448 --> 01:56:53,516
>> I think it's a great suggestion.

1509
01:56:53,516 --> 01:56:55,853
>> I might like that idea. >> great.

1510
01:56:55,853 --> 01:56:58,188
let's make sure. >> I will pass that along and

1511
01:56:58,188 --> 01:57:00,590
whoever makes that decision can consider that.

1512
01:57:00,590 --> 01:57:04,790
>> all right. So, have you heard any

1513
01:57:04,927 --> 01:57:08,131
support -- obviously, this is going to have a far-reaching

1514
01:57:08,131 --> 01:57:13,531
impact on our local villages, our towns, our counties,

1515
01:57:14,738 --> 01:57:17,738
correct? >> well, villages are not

1516
01:57:18,408 --> 01:57:20,276
included. >> I corrected myself after the

1517
01:57:20,276 --> 01:57:23,413
fact. Our d.a.s, our sheriffs, our

1518
01:57:23,413 --> 01:57:28,752
county clerks, our counties, our cities, this will have a far

1519
01:57:28,752 --> 01:57:33,690
reaching impact, correct? >> yeah, it will have an impact.

1520
01:57:33,690 --> 01:57:39,900
it also will save the boards of election money.

1521
01:57:39,950 --> 01:57:42,950
>> well, that's another debatable thing.

1522
01:57:42,980 --> 01:57:45,369
so, have you got -- I mean, obviously, you've heard there's

1523
01:57:45,369 --> 01:57:50,169
opposition for the new york council of mayors.

1524
01:57:54,710 --> 01:57:58,381
have you sought input from any other associations?

1525
01:57:58,381 --> 01:58:02,519
are they 100% on board with this because usually when we see

1526
01:58:02,519 --> 01:58:06,256
bills come before this house we get input from a lot of these

1527
01:58:06,256 --> 01:58:08,792
organizations especially when it impacts them.

1528
01:58:08,792 --> 01:58:12,796
obviously this legislation, this constitutional amendment we have

1529
01:58:12,796 --> 01:58:16,467
in this house now impacts those organizations.

1530
01:58:16,467 --> 01:58:19,268
did you reach out to these organizations and say what do

1531
01:58:19,268 --> 01:58:21,300
you think? What would you change?

1532
01:58:21,300 --> 01:58:24,941
did you reach out to any of these organizations?

1533
01:58:24,941 --> 01:58:28,478
>> we did speak or they contacted us, I forget how it

1534
01:58:28,478 --> 01:58:32,780
happened, the office of court administration.

1535
01:58:48,965 --> 01:58:51,634
>> they suggested we do something that would not extend

1536
01:58:51,634 --> 01:58:55,372
terms for some and not others so that was taken into account.

1537
01:58:55,372 --> 01:59:00,172
I'll get on extending terms in a minute.

1538
01:59:10,530 --> 01:59:12,522
>> okay. What about the towns, sheriffs,

1539
01:59:12,522 --> 01:59:16,159
d.a.s, clerks, did you reach out to them and ask them for

1540
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:19,729
their input on impactful legislation that is so far

1541
01:59:19,729 --> 01:59:22,999
reaching impact, tid you ask them their opinion and, if so,

1542
01:59:22,999 --> 01:59:27,199
what did they say? >> no, I'm sorry.

1543
01:59:30,139 --> 01:59:34,939
>> you didn't ask them? >> we didn't reach out.

1544
01:59:35,678 --> 01:59:39,949
what this does is puts those few offices that were note

1545
01:59:39,949 --> 01:59:45,949
previously moved to even years in alignment with the others.

1546
01:59:49,226 --> 01:59:52,829
we think it makes a lot of sense.

1547
01:59:52,829 --> 02:00:00,629
>> I know you believe -- when we had the even veer election a

1548
02:00:07,177 --> 02:00:09,913
couple of years ago that we did, my office received a hot of

1549
02:00:09,913 --> 02:00:14,651
memos of opposition from communities saying we want our

1550
02:00:14,651 --> 02:00:20,510
local control over these collections, we want to decide.

1551
02:00:23,860 --> 02:00:26,463
was that considered knowing there was widespread opposition

1552
02:00:26,463 --> 02:00:30,533
to the previous one, statute, this being the constitution, did

1553
02:00:30,533 --> 02:00:33,870
you get feedback? Does that not play into the

1554
02:00:33,870 --> 02:00:40,470
discussion or do you just feel we know best is this.

1555
02:00:49,285 --> 02:00:52,222
>> if we pass this the group she mentioned and people in general

1556
02:00:52,222 --> 02:01:00,220
can make their voices heard before we take it up again for a

1557
02:01:03,633 --> 02:01:05,302
vote. >> I hope they view and I'm sure

1558
02:01:05,302 --> 02:01:08,238
they will. I want to get on to the counties

1559
02:01:08,238 --> 02:01:12,642
and town elections aside. I want to talk about the

1560
02:01:12,642 --> 02:01:16,846
d.a.s, sheriffs and judges, my colleagues brought that up

1561
02:01:16,846 --> 02:01:20,516
before, those under the constitution if there's a

1562
02:01:20,516 --> 02:01:22,986
vacancy the governor appoints that vague circumstances

1563
02:01:22,986 --> 02:01:23,787
correct? >> correct.

1564
02:01:23,787 --> 02:01:28,658
>> for the remainder of the term or that calendar year?

1565
02:01:28,658 --> 02:01:35,131
they'd appoint -- if there's a vacancy in an odd year or

1566
02:01:35,131 --> 02:01:38,934
anytime, the governor appoints and then the election would be

1567
02:01:38,934 --> 02:01:42,500
in the next general election in an even year.

1568
02:01:42,500 --> 02:01:44,607
>> so the next general election. Okay.

1569
02:01:44,607 --> 02:01:51,207
so, you would agree, wouldn't you, if there's a vacancy that

1570
02:01:51,815 --> 02:01:56,190
takes place and the governor appoints that vacancy, now

1571
02:01:56,190 --> 02:01:59,823
there's a power of incumbency that comes with that position,

1572
02:01:59,823 --> 02:02:07,623
that individual who the governor appoints is going to be off to a

1573
02:02:08,698 --> 02:02:11,501
stronger advantage going into that general election, correct?

1574
02:02:11,501 --> 02:02:15,372
>> that could happen or they could do a terrible job and have

1575
02:02:15,372 --> 02:02:17,574
no chance of being elected to the position.

1576
02:02:17,574 --> 02:02:20,576
>> no, I understand what you're saying.

1577
02:02:20,576 --> 02:02:25,315
but you would agree someone who is appointed by the governor

1578
02:02:25,315 --> 02:02:29,586
comes in and is an incumbent in that position right from the

1579
02:02:29,586 --> 02:02:34,386
start, right? >> no, like I said, some people

1580
02:02:39,262 --> 02:02:43,132
who are in office are reelected because people like them and

1581
02:02:43,132 --> 02:02:45,201
other people don't like what they're doing.

1582
02:02:45,201 --> 02:02:49,338
>> I agree with that, and I know you said this doesn't change

1583
02:02:49,338 --> 02:02:51,475
that appointment process the dv appoints.

1584
02:02:51,475 --> 02:02:53,944
that's been part of the constitution forever.

1585
02:02:53,944 --> 02:02:57,146
that doesn't change. It's just following that same

1586
02:02:57,146 --> 02:02:58,681
process, correct? >> correct.

1587
02:02:58,681 --> 02:03:02,151
>> but what is changing with this process, we talked about

1588
02:03:02,151 --> 02:03:06,890
well, maybe someone dies and there's a vacancy and the

1589
02:03:06,890 --> 02:03:09,492
governor will appoint or something else happens or

1590
02:03:09,492 --> 02:03:12,829
someone moves out of state or whatever then that's the

1591
02:03:12,829 --> 02:03:16,767
process, but this legislation changes that significantly,

1592
02:03:16,767 --> 02:03:21,304
doesn't it, because now you're talking about every local

1593
02:03:21,304 --> 02:03:26,104
election, every town board, county executive, sheriff, and

1594
02:03:28,311 --> 02:03:34,311
then the d.a. The d.a., county clerk and

1595
02:03:34,617 --> 02:03:37,387
others because it affects all of us.

1596
02:03:37,387 --> 02:03:39,923
there are widespread implications for these

1597
02:03:39,923 --> 02:03:43,526
appointments the governor would make across the 62 counties.

1598
02:03:43,526 --> 02:03:47,464
>> the appointments are not for a town board, it's for these few

1599
02:03:47,464 --> 02:03:48,798
offices. >> I correct myself.

1600
02:03:48,798 --> 02:03:52,535
I know I misspoke. It's for the d.a., it's for the

1601
02:03:52,535 --> 02:03:56,606
sheriff, it's for the county clerk, it's for the judges.

1602
02:03:56,606 --> 02:04:00,410
I correct myself, I misspoke. I think I'm just a little jacked

1603
02:04:00,410 --> 02:04:05,210
up on this bill. If you haven't noticed.

1604
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:23,499
>> the governor will have input in all these instances now, is

1605
02:04:23,499 --> 02:04:25,367
that correct? >> I understand where you're

1606
02:04:25,367 --> 02:04:30,167
coming from. >> and on top of the language.

1607
02:04:36,460 --> 02:04:38,514
now you control the language put on the ballot?

1608
02:04:38,514 --> 02:04:42,114
>> I won't but the legislature will.

1609
02:04:46,322 --> 02:04:50,694
>> would you agree that should be a full discussion of the

1610
02:04:50,694 --> 02:04:54,531
legislature, not just the majority, minority leader, the

1611
02:04:54,531 --> 02:04:57,200
senate, all of us? >> I couldn't speak to that.

1612
02:04:57,200 --> 02:05:00,500
that's not in this amendment. >> I understand.

1613
02:05:00,500 --> 02:05:04,910
but if you wanted to name it the voter participation protection

1614
02:05:04,910 --> 02:05:08,810
and fair access act, you could name it that, couldn't you?

1615
02:05:08,810 --> 02:05:12,217
you would have the power to name it that way, right?

1616
02:05:12,217 --> 02:05:18,217
yes or no. >> I think that as far as the

1617
02:05:25,498 --> 02:05:30,770
ballot, as far as the ballot, it has to accurately and fairly

1618
02:05:30,770 --> 02:05:33,906
describe the amendment. >> thank you, mr. Jacobson for

1619
02:05:33,906 --> 02:05:36,909
your time, madam speaker, on the bill.

1620
02:05:36,909 --> 02:05:39,845
>> speaker: on the bill. >> well, welcome to "we know

1621
02:05:39,845 --> 02:05:44,916
best week" in the capitol, welcome to "political party grab

1622
02:05:44,916 --> 02:05:49,388
week" in the capitol. I think I counted four.

1623
02:05:49,388 --> 02:05:54,188
first the redistricting amendment that's going to allow

1624
02:05:55,194 --> 02:05:57,129
gerrymandering over congressional districts despite

1625
02:05:57,129 --> 02:06:01,133
the fact that voters overwhelmingly rejected that

1626
02:06:01,133 --> 02:06:05,203
first in 2014 with the creating of the independent redistricting

1627
02:06:05,203 --> 02:06:08,741
commission and in 2021 when you guys tried to overturn it.

1628
02:06:08,741 --> 02:06:14,513
then last night we had the politicalization or the judicial

1629
02:06:14,513 --> 02:06:18,183
district changes to create more democratic judges which was

1630
02:06:18,183 --> 02:06:21,420
followed up by the language bill which we were talking about here

1631
02:06:21,420 --> 02:06:28,200
that you can write, despite the fact that, for over 100 years,

1632
02:06:28,827 --> 02:06:30,695
the bipartisan board of elections had been working

1633
02:06:30,695 --> 02:06:33,298
together to put that language together, you could put whatever

1634
02:06:33,298 --> 02:06:38,698
language you want in that bill. It's really atrocious.

1635
02:06:42,975 --> 02:06:47,646
why through all these things that we know best, you think you

1636
02:06:47,646 --> 02:06:50,582
know best and, two, a political power grab.

1637
02:06:50,582 --> 02:06:53,919
and now we have this one. Even year elections for

1638
02:06:53,919 --> 02:06:56,255
everyone, all except for new york city.

1639
02:06:56,255 --> 02:06:59,324
despite what the locals want, no talking to locals, none of them,

1640
02:06:59,324 --> 02:07:04,263
none of those organizations, so now you say you're going to have

1641
02:07:04,263 --> 02:07:07,866
more participation, I think you guys should say we're going to

1642
02:07:07,866 --> 02:07:13,338
put this on the bill in '28, not 2k-7, but you know you're going

1643
02:07:13,338 --> 02:07:17,809
to put it on the ballot in '27 because you don't want as

1644
02:07:17,809 --> 02:07:20,412
much as participation in this, you want it more limited.

1645
02:07:20,412 --> 02:07:25,951
just like you're going to do the redistricting in '27 for '28,

1646
02:07:25,951 --> 02:07:29,870
the judicial amendment and on. And new york city will have a

1647
02:07:29,870 --> 02:07:34,487
say in this despite the fact they rejected this.

1648
02:07:34,993 --> 02:07:39,970
so, now, you're creating a situation we're going to have

1649
02:07:39,970 --> 02:07:43,568
vacancies of d.a.s, county clerks, sheriffs, who will now

1650
02:07:43,568 --> 02:07:46,638
when there's that vacancy that takes place be appointed by the

1651
02:07:46,638 --> 02:07:52,644
governor of this state. I can tell you, right now, the

1652
02:07:52,644 --> 02:07:58,440
people I represent in steuben county, yates county, seneca

1653
02:07:58,500 --> 02:08:03,450
county, schuyler county, chemung county, they don't want this

1654
02:08:05,123 --> 02:08:10,462
governor appointing the d.a., county clerk or sheriff of those

1655
02:08:10,462 --> 02:08:12,998
counties. Emphatically, yes, this bill

1656
02:08:12,998 --> 02:08:17,736
would allow for political appointments by the governor in

1657
02:08:17,736 --> 02:08:20,872
impactful decisions. My colleague talked about it

1658
02:08:20,872 --> 02:08:25,277
being a trap door, I emphasize it's a trap door and you drop

1659
02:08:25,277 --> 02:08:29,948
into a bucket of you-know-what. That's exactly what this bill

1660
02:08:29,948 --> 02:08:31,817
is. It's total b.s.

1661
02:08:31,817 --> 02:08:35,860
you're hurting locals. You say you're all about

1662
02:08:35,860 --> 02:08:37,490
protecting democracy, no, this hurts democracy.

1663
02:08:37,490 --> 02:08:41,693
this is a blatant violation of local home rule, you know that,

1664
02:08:41,693 --> 02:08:46,564
we know that, and you say you trust the voters, you say time

1665
02:08:46,564 --> 02:08:49,701
and time again, but as I said last night on some of these, the

1666
02:08:49,701 --> 02:08:56,241
problem is the voters don't trust us, and why don't they

1667
02:08:56,241 --> 02:08:59,377
trust us? Because, time and time again,

1668
02:08:59,377 --> 02:09:05,500
you bring pieces of legislation like this that just thumbs your

1669
02:09:05,500 --> 02:09:08,453
nose at the voters wishes and what they want and have told us

1670
02:09:08,453 --> 02:09:12,257
because why? You think you know best.

1671
02:09:12,257 --> 02:09:15,126
why? Because all you are looking for

1672
02:09:15,126 --> 02:09:19,926
with these bills is pure political power grab.

1673
02:09:19,931 --> 02:09:25,931
it's wrong, it's not fair, it's shameful, it's disgusting, and

1674
02:09:26,338 --> 02:09:30,538
even an eighth grader can understand that.

1675
02:09:31,743 --> 02:09:37,483
so, for this, madam speaker, this, my colleagues, I will

1676
02:09:37,483 --> 02:09:42,283
absolutely be voting no on this ridiculous constitutional

1677
02:09:42,822 --> 02:09:46,291
amendment just like I did on the ridiculous redistricting

1678
02:09:46,291 --> 02:09:50,361
amendment, the judicial amendment and the legislation to

1679
02:09:50,361 --> 02:09:54,833
give you the language to write it, all about mitticle power

1680
02:09:54,833 --> 02:09:58,304
grab, all about thinking you know what's best.

1681
02:09:58,304 --> 02:10:01,239
shame on you. I vote no.

1682
02:10:01,239 --> 02:10:05,243
>> thank you, mr. Palmesano. Respectfully just reminding

1683
02:10:05,243 --> 02:10:08,247
colleagues that impugning the motives of other members is not

1684
02:10:08,247 --> 02:10:12,184
permitted in debate and remarks should be related to the

1685
02:10:12,184 --> 02:10:15,540
proposal currently before the house.

1686
02:10:15,540 --> 02:10:18,654
ms. Bailey. >> thank you, madam speaker.

1687
02:10:18,724 --> 02:10:20,592
will the sponsor yield for a few questions?

1688
02:10:20,592 --> 02:10:21,726
>> speaker: will the sponsor yield?

1689
02:10:21,726 --> 02:10:22,594
>> yes. >> speaker: the sponsor

1690
02:10:22,594 --> 02:10:24,662
yields. >> thank you very much,

1691
02:10:24,662 --> 02:10:26,131
mr. Jacobson. I have a few different areas

1692
02:10:26,131 --> 02:10:28,267
that I need to ask some questions on.

1693
02:10:28,267 --> 02:10:33,738
first and foremost, I do want to go back to the timing of this,

1694
02:10:33,738 --> 02:10:38,811
and I believe you had indicated we couldn't do it all back in

1695
02:10:38,811 --> 02:10:42,414
2023 when we did the local elections, moving those to even

1696
02:10:42,414 --> 02:10:45,417
years because this required a constitutional amendment.

1697
02:10:45,417 --> 02:10:48,487
was I clear in hearing that? >> that's correct, for these

1698
02:10:48,487 --> 02:10:49,555
offices. >> okay.

1699
02:10:49,555 --> 02:10:54,760
could we have moved forward in 2024 and brought something

1700
02:10:54,760 --> 02:10:59,560
before that body? >> could we have done a

1701
02:11:01,366 --> 02:11:04,103
constitutional amendment then? >> could we have started the

1702
02:11:04,103 --> 02:11:08,173
process in 2024, knowing we couldn't do it in 2023?

1703
02:11:08,173 --> 02:11:08,841
>> sure. >> okay.

1704
02:11:08,841 --> 02:11:11,911
so we could have brought it forward in 2024, we would have

1705
02:11:11,911 --> 02:11:20,311
had a new body here in '25-'26, which it could have gone through

1706
02:11:20,985 --> 02:11:26,391
that body at that time, correct? Yeah, it was introduced in '25,

1707
02:11:26,391 --> 02:11:28,794
so that's a new legislature. >> okay.

1708
02:11:28,794 --> 02:11:33,332
but it could have been introduced in '24?

1709
02:11:33,332 --> 02:11:35,266
>> it could have been introduced, yeah.

1710
02:11:35,266 --> 02:11:39,204
>> when we knew that it was a problem in '23?

1711
02:11:39,204 --> 02:11:41,140
>> okay. >> I'm just asking.

1712
02:11:41,140 --> 02:11:43,742
>> well, you get a chance to vote for it now.

1713
02:11:43,742 --> 02:11:49,948
>> okay, I would have anyways. The next piece, I'm going to go

1714
02:11:49,948 --> 02:11:52,218
on to the vacancies. So we talk about the vacancies

1715
02:11:52,218 --> 02:11:55,620
and I heard you say a few times and I just want to make sure I

1716
02:11:55,620 --> 02:11:58,690
understand what you are saying correctly is that it's -- you

1717
02:11:58,690 --> 02:12:04,663
know, it's the same, that the town boards can appoint.

1718
02:12:04,663 --> 02:12:11,360
I understand that as far as town justices go, the town boards can

1719
02:12:11,360 --> 02:12:14,106
appoint. However, as we discussed here,

1720
02:12:14,106 --> 02:12:20,706
the office of the sheriff would be an appointment by the

1721
02:12:21,647 --> 02:12:24,316
governor, if senate is in session it has to be approved by

1722
02:12:24,316 --> 02:12:27,318
them. The district attorney and county

1723
02:12:27,318 --> 02:12:29,455
attorney are governor appointments?

1724
02:12:29,455 --> 02:12:32,591
>> as they are now. >> as they are now, absolutely.

1725
02:12:32,591 --> 02:12:39,791
I also heard you say those positions, as it is now there

1726
02:12:40,132 --> 02:12:43,668
are appointments by the governor and that's what happens today.

1727
02:12:43,668 --> 02:12:49,941
so I did a bit of math here and, in 2025, over 25% of those three

1728
02:12:49,941 --> 02:12:55,941
positions were elected. So, they were elected in an odd

1729
02:12:56,414 --> 02:12:59,885
year, they would be running in 29 again.

1730
02:12:59,885 --> 02:13:03,888
but, if this passes, that's not going to be the case.

1731
02:13:03,888 --> 02:13:10,488
am I understanding that correct? >> if this passes and the voters

1732
02:13:17,636 --> 02:13:20,772
approve, yes, this would be in effect.

1733
02:13:20,772 --> 02:13:25,572
>> so then the governor would appoint those positions

1734
02:13:26,111 --> 02:13:28,380
potentially? She doesn't necessarily have to,

1735
02:13:28,380 --> 02:13:35,580
or she or whoever it may be. >> that person that got elected

1736
02:13:43,128 --> 02:13:47,466
in '25, we serve out the term which would be through the end

1737
02:13:47,466 --> 02:13:50,335
of '29 and then there would be an appointment.

1738
02:13:50,335 --> 02:13:53,738
>> potentially there could with a vacancy correct come january 1

1739
02:13:53,738 --> 02:13:57,542
if that appointment has not taken place ahead of time?

1740
02:13:57,542 --> 02:14:02,130
>> there would be a vacancy at the end of the term and then the

1741
02:14:02,130 --> 02:14:05,149
vacancy would be filled as is in law now and that's with the

1742
02:14:05,149 --> 02:14:06,284
governor. >> okay.

1743
02:14:06,284 --> 02:14:11,840
so, that's 47 positions between district attorney, county clerk

1744
02:14:12,230 --> 02:14:15,493
and sheriff in 2029 that this could potentially happen and I

1745
02:14:15,493 --> 02:14:19,498
heard you say vacancies right now if someone passes away, you

1746
02:14:19,498 --> 02:14:22,767
know, if they retire, so on and so forth, we're going to follow

1747
02:14:22,767 --> 02:14:27,238
the same process, but I don't think we've ever had a year

1748
02:14:27,238 --> 02:14:30,838
where 47 constitutional positions passed away or

1749
02:14:31,243 --> 02:14:35,443
retired. So, it's just a large number

1750
02:14:35,847 --> 02:14:40,384
that we are impacting here. I think there's ways in which we

1751
02:14:40,384 --> 02:14:43,187
could change that. I'm not sure, you know, maybe,

1752
02:14:43,187 --> 02:14:46,924
you know, in the election law right now it has the appointment

1753
02:14:46,924 --> 02:14:50,262
to the governor but I hope this body would take that into

1754
02:14:50,262 --> 02:14:55,620
account that 47 positions, come the end of december 2029,

1755
02:14:56,868 --> 02:15:00,139
potentially could be vacant based off of this constitutional

1756
02:15:00,139 --> 02:15:03,139
amendment that's before us today.

1757
02:15:05,209 --> 02:15:11,549
my next question is going to go into we had talked ability voter

1758
02:15:11,549 --> 02:15:16,221
fatigue, and part of the reason that the even year was brought

1759
02:15:16,221 --> 02:15:19,991
forward in 2023 was to get voter turnout.

1760
02:15:19,991 --> 02:15:23,829
I hear, like some of my colleagues in the counties that

1761
02:15:23,829 --> 02:15:29,367
it represent, that they prefer to have their local elections on

1762
02:15:29,367 --> 02:15:32,838
a ballot by themselves because then folks are coming out for

1763
02:15:32,838 --> 02:15:39,438
those local election also. My question is, when I looked at

1764
02:15:41,513 --> 02:15:45,784
your memo, it indicates that there is no fiscal implication

1765
02:15:45,784 --> 02:15:49,320
for the state. Do we foresee fiscal

1766
02:15:49,320 --> 02:15:53,791
implications to the counties? >> yes, there will be savings of

1767
02:15:53,791 --> 02:15:57,991
money. I spoke, for example, to the

1768
02:15:58,263 --> 02:16:03,334
commissioner of dutchess county which is a medium-sized county.

1769
02:16:03,334 --> 02:16:07,534
>> very familiar with it. >> 300,000 people, they have 169

1770
02:16:08,339 --> 02:16:14,339
election districts, and she toll me it costs generally around

1771
02:16:14,880 --> 02:16:18,683
450,000 a year. So, I think, in your county, you

1772
02:16:18,683 --> 02:16:21,830
will see savings. >> okay.

1773
02:16:22,487 --> 02:16:25,490
so, let's think about this ballot and what it looks like.

1774
02:16:25,490 --> 02:16:29,160
I know some counties have digital, you know, ballot

1775
02:16:29,160 --> 02:16:32,564
polling locations. I represent a town that that's

1776
02:16:32,564 --> 02:16:37,436
what they vote on now, based on what their county.

1777
02:16:37,436 --> 02:16:40,772
many counties have paper ballots that go into the reader.

1778
02:16:40,772 --> 02:16:46,772
what does this ballot look like? Is there a stop?

1779
02:16:46,978 --> 02:16:51,249
is it going to be 36 inches long that we're going to be sending

1780
02:16:51,249 --> 02:16:54,519
through the machine? Is it going to be multiple

1781
02:16:54,519 --> 02:16:55,988
pages? Those are some of the concerns

1782
02:16:55,988 --> 02:17:01,727
that are out there by folks in the area that I represent that

1783
02:17:01,727 --> 02:17:04,996
are true concerns for them because what does that mean for

1784
02:17:04,996 --> 02:17:09,000
those town elections at the end of the ballot in even years

1785
02:17:09,000 --> 02:17:14,400
moving forward? >> so, what is your -- so what

1786
02:17:14,673 --> 02:17:17,876
is the question? >> I guess my question is have

1787
02:17:17,876 --> 02:17:22,676
we thought about what the ballot looks like?

1788
02:17:23,415 --> 02:17:29,415
>> that's not part of this amendment, but if there are

1789
02:17:31,689 --> 02:17:35,761
concerns, I'm sure we will work with the local commissioners and

1790
02:17:35,761 --> 02:17:39,961
the state board to address those concerns.

1791
02:17:42,634 --> 02:17:48,107
>> the concerns when the was being worked on, you know,

1792
02:17:48,107 --> 02:17:54,107
coming out of 2023, did the board of elections share any

1793
02:17:56,470 --> 02:18:00,247
concerns with that, that you're aware of?

1794
02:18:00,385 --> 02:18:07,585
were they consulted when we were looking at the language for this

1795
02:18:08,192 --> 02:18:10,395
amendment? >> well, it's not part of this.

1796
02:18:10,395 --> 02:18:14,265
they didn't approach me, but it's not part of this.

1797
02:18:14,265 --> 02:18:18,300
if that is a concern, we can address that by statute, but

1798
02:18:18,300 --> 02:18:22,203
this is a constitutional amendment with limited

1799
02:18:27,211 --> 02:18:29,280
authority, and we'll go from there.

1800
02:18:29,280 --> 02:18:32,830
>> I appreciate it very much, and that's what I wanted to hear

1801
02:18:32,830 --> 02:18:34,485
because that is a concern that the board of elections has

1802
02:18:34,485 --> 02:18:37,880
brought forward to me, so I wanted to have that on the

1803
02:18:37,880 --> 02:18:40,225
record that we can take a look at that and because I think that

1804
02:18:40,225 --> 02:18:44,950
we need to -- we need to partner with them and I appreciate you

1805
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:47,232
answering my questions very much, mr. Jacobson.

1806
02:18:47,232 --> 02:18:50,101
on the bill, madam speaker. >> speaker: on the bill.

1807
02:18:50,101 --> 02:18:52,236
>> thank you very much. >> so, you know, I agree with

1808
02:18:52,236 --> 02:18:55,573
many of my colleagues, my biggest concern at the end of

1809
02:18:55,573 --> 02:18:59,440
the day is how these vacancies are going to be handled.

1810
02:18:59,440 --> 02:19:04,648
you know, as it stands right now, potentially, you know, if

1811
02:19:04,648 --> 02:19:10,189
someone's in an elected office and they retire, they resign,

1812
02:19:10,189 --> 02:19:14,392
you have a deputy, typically, in those roles.

1813
02:19:14,392 --> 02:19:19,531
so, that deputy, when that individual exits, is the acting.

1814
02:19:19,531 --> 02:19:25,531
so, my question is, come 2029, when we have at least 47

1815
02:19:26,938 --> 02:19:31,750
positions that are going to be vacant across the counties

1816
02:19:31,750 --> 02:19:34,545
between our sheriffs, d.a. And county clerk, how is that going

1817
02:19:34,545 --> 02:19:36,547
to be handled? We have to think about that.

1818
02:19:36,547 --> 02:19:43,421
is the governor in a position to appoint in all of those

1819
02:19:43,421 --> 02:19:46,424
situations? Could we discuss just continuing

1820
02:19:46,424 --> 02:19:50,694
that term until the even year? We need to seriously look at

1821
02:19:50,694 --> 02:19:56,434
this because it has true implication also based on the

1822
02:19:56,434 --> 02:19:59,971
language in the writing of this amendment that's before us today

1823
02:19:59,971 --> 02:20:05,376
that I think we need to figure those out before it moves

1824
02:20:05,376 --> 02:20:10,776
forward because it's a true concern, and to have 47

1825
02:20:11,916 --> 02:20:17,316
constitutional positions open on january 1, 2030, is a concern of

1826
02:20:20,658 --> 02:20:23,928
mine and it should be a concern of every new yorker there is.

1827
02:20:23,928 --> 02:20:27,798
so, for that reason, madam speaker, I cannot support this,

1828
02:20:27,798 --> 02:20:31,268
and I thank you thank you very much for your time.

1829
02:20:31,268 --> 02:20:35,468
>> speaker: ms. Giglio. >> thank you, madam speaker.

1830
02:20:36,675 --> 02:20:38,943
will the sponsor yield? >> speaker: will the sponsor

1831
02:20:38,943 --> 02:20:40,278
yield? >> yes.

1832
02:20:40,278 --> 02:20:41,479
>> speaker: the sponsor yields.

1833
02:20:41,479 --> 02:20:44,150
>> thank you. So, why are we doing this with

1834
02:20:44,150 --> 02:20:46,484
law enforcement? With d.a.s and sheriffs in why

1835
02:20:46,484 --> 02:20:51,890
are we adding them to the national and state elections.

1836
02:20:51,890 --> 02:20:56,895
we're doing this to move those constitutional offices that were

1837
02:20:56,895 --> 02:21:01,699
not able to be moved by statute to even years with the rest of

1838
02:21:01,699 --> 02:21:03,699
the elections. >> okay.

1839
02:21:05,436 --> 02:21:09,307
and why do you think law enforcement officers should be

1840
02:21:09,307 --> 02:21:12,307
included in elections for policy-makers?

1841
02:21:12,710 --> 02:21:15,580
>> why should they be included in even year?

1842
02:21:15,580 --> 02:21:19,250
>> yeah, like policy-makers, they are advocating for local

1843
02:21:19,250 --> 02:21:23,666
issues, for county issues, for state issues, for federal

1844
02:21:23,666 --> 02:21:26,269
issues, whiewng do you think law enforcement officers should be

1845
02:21:26,269 --> 02:21:28,805
put in the mix with policy-makers?

1846
02:21:28,805 --> 02:21:34,770
>> well, you have county -- you've got the county exec, the

1847
02:21:34,770 --> 02:21:37,413
county legislature in an even year, so I think it makes

1848
02:21:37,413 --> 02:21:39,882
sense -- >> those are policy-makers.

1849
02:21:39,882 --> 02:21:42,952
why do you think law enforcement should be included with

1850
02:21:42,952 --> 02:21:46,423
policy-makers. Because I think it makes sense that they also be

1851
02:21:46,423 --> 02:21:49,425
elected in even years when people are focused and they have

1852
02:21:49,425 --> 02:21:52,425
the county issues there. >> okay.

1853
02:21:53,629 --> 02:21:58,902
so, the president won twice as many counties in new york state

1854
02:21:58,902 --> 02:22:00,704
in 2024. Do you think adding district

1855
02:22:00,704 --> 02:22:03,840
attorneys and sheriffs will dilute votes in county races for

1856
02:22:03,840 --> 02:22:08,400
voters who only vote in national elections?

1857
02:22:10,450 --> 02:22:15,785
>> we want everybody to vote. I don't want understand your

1858
02:22:15,785 --> 02:22:17,654
question. Diswrfnlts.

1859
02:22:17,654 --> 02:22:23,793
>> I'm just saying that -- okay, I'll go to the next question.

1860
02:22:23,793 --> 02:22:27,197
the last four elections were won by different parties, right?

1861
02:22:27,197 --> 02:22:32,335
one year it was one party, the next year another, one year

1862
02:22:32,335 --> 02:22:35,710
another, the next year another party.

1863
02:22:35,710 --> 02:22:37,407
>> that's correct. >> do you think the potential

1864
02:22:37,407 --> 02:22:41,477
future swings may potentially disrupt law enforcement

1865
02:22:41,477 --> 02:22:45,548
operations where ongoing investigations in areas like

1866
02:22:45,548 --> 02:22:49,752
drug ep terchtion, cold cases and gun violence where multiple

1867
02:22:49,752 --> 02:22:52,555
years are required and vital for law enforcement to do their job?

1868
02:22:52,555 --> 02:22:54,955
>> absolutely not. >> you don't?

1869
02:22:56,692 --> 02:23:00,363
>> no, because a lot of the work is done by civil servants and

1870
02:23:00,363 --> 02:23:07,563
people there all the time and you also have different law and

1871
02:23:10,440 --> 02:23:13,420
shfers sheriffs getting elected and yet

1872
02:23:13,420 --> 02:23:14,910
the investigation and the process takes place.

1873
02:23:14,910 --> 02:23:19,916
we had a transition in dutchess county and there was a new d.a.

1874
02:23:19,916 --> 02:23:24,530
and things continued, so I don't see that as a problem at all.

1875
02:23:24,530 --> 02:23:26,550
>> okay. Well, my concern is that if

1876
02:23:26,550 --> 02:23:31,928
there had been a landslide in 2024 and my district attorney

1877
02:23:31,928 --> 02:23:38,168
was voted out of office in the beach murders, those cases may

1878
02:23:38,168 --> 02:23:40,403
have never been solved and prosecuted.

1879
02:23:40,403 --> 02:23:46,142
so do you think that there needs to be -- that we should have

1880
02:23:46,142 --> 02:23:51,542
consistency and importance in objectives that they are working

1881
02:23:51,614 --> 02:23:55,419
on known by locals to not get diluted on the ballot actually

1882
02:23:55,419 --> 02:23:58,870
because I think that with all of these elections and the more

1883
02:23:58,870 --> 02:24:02,358
elections that we keep piling on, do you think that the media,

1884
02:24:02,358 --> 02:24:07,758
the advertisement, the text messages, the phone messages, we

1885
02:24:08,970 --> 02:24:12,167
see at the local post offices things just dumped in the

1886
02:24:12,167 --> 02:24:13,636
mailbox. Do you think all of these

1887
02:24:13,636 --> 02:24:16,839
positions on the ballot and all of this media attention and all

1888
02:24:16,839 --> 02:24:22,239
of this advertising, that it's going to disenfranchise voters

1889
02:24:23,112 --> 02:24:26,490
and they're going to end up hearing from everybody and I'm

1890
02:24:26,490 --> 02:24:31,920
just not going to show up? >> no, it's going to enfranchise

1891
02:24:31,920 --> 02:24:34,925
voters because they're more engaged about other things, they

1892
02:24:34,925 --> 02:24:38,260
will be turning out to vote, they will then look at what's on

1893
02:24:38,260 --> 02:24:40,930
the ballot and you've going to have more people voting.

1894
02:24:40,930 --> 02:24:42,665
>> do you think what the position for the district

1895
02:24:42,665 --> 02:24:46,680
attorneys and sheriffs will be on the ballot?

1896
02:24:46,680 --> 02:24:50,272
>> not off the top of my head. It will be -- no.

1897
02:24:50,272 --> 02:24:53,342
I'm not going to answer that because I don't want to guess.

1898
02:24:53,342 --> 02:24:55,411
>> okay. Well, I just think, you know, we

1899
02:24:55,411 --> 02:24:58,681
made the switch to move state offices up to the top of the

1900
02:24:58,681 --> 02:25:03,486
ballot and I think that people as they start looking for people

1901
02:25:03,486 --> 02:25:06,890
individually on the ballot, I think that they're going to

1902
02:25:06,890 --> 02:25:07,956
bullet vote. I don't think that they are

1903
02:25:07,956 --> 02:25:12,270
going to vote the bottom of the ballot and then go -- maybe they

1904
02:25:12,270 --> 02:25:15,832
will vote to the bottom of the ballot and go to the top ballot

1905
02:25:15,832 --> 02:25:19,235
and everybody in the middle will be forgotten about.

1906
02:25:19,235 --> 02:25:21,237
what do you think about that? >> I trust the voters.

1907
02:25:21,237 --> 02:25:23,372
>> you trust the voters. Okay.

1908
02:25:23,372 --> 02:25:26,909
thank you: thank you. >> to the sponsor, madam

1909
02:25:26,909 --> 02:25:28,978
speaker, on the bill. >> speaker: on the bill.

1910
02:25:28,978 --> 02:25:32,582
>> this bill will relegate local issues and elections behind

1911
02:25:32,582 --> 02:25:35,851
state and national issues. It will create crowded ballots

1912
02:25:35,851 --> 02:25:40,123
that will be dominated by national races and issues, and,

1913
02:25:40,123 --> 02:25:44,927
in my opinion, adding more people to the ballot will

1914
02:25:44,927 --> 02:25:47,930
disenfranchise the voters and I think that we will have a low

1915
02:25:47,930 --> 02:25:53,536
voter turnout in some areas of the ballot and high voting

1916
02:25:53,536 --> 02:25:55,271
results in other parts of the ballot.

1917
02:25:55,271 --> 02:26:00,209
I think that just crowding the ballot is wrong, not only for

1918
02:26:00,209 --> 02:26:03,146
the state and national races but also the local races where

1919
02:26:03,146 --> 02:26:06,683
people are really paying attention to the local issues.

1920
02:26:06,683 --> 02:26:09,850
the local issues that are important to them.

1921
02:26:09,850 --> 02:26:13,880
and I just think that it's a complete disservice to the

1922
02:26:13,880 --> 02:26:16,240
residents of new york state to pile everybody on to the ballot

1923
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:18,828
and expect all the voters to know all the issues and

1924
02:26:18,828 --> 02:26:22,831
everything that the candidates stand for, and I hope that it

1925
02:26:22,831 --> 02:26:25,968
doesn't backfire. Thank you, madam speaker.

1926
02:26:25,968 --> 02:26:28,968
>> speaker: thank you. Ms. Shrestha.

1927
02:26:42,385 --> 02:26:45,588
>> I represent multiple counties and the experience I've had so

1928
02:26:45,588 --> 02:26:49,525
far with county legislators having to be on the same ballot

1929
02:26:49,525 --> 02:26:53,663
as me this year is already proving to be much more

1930
02:26:53,663 --> 02:26:56,465
collaborative, much more democratic and also more

1931
02:26:56,465 --> 02:26:59,465
excitement for the upcoming election.

1932
02:27:11,130 --> 02:27:16,152
we have been able to run on what platform, which is how to bring

1933
02:27:16,152 --> 02:27:19,752
down housing costs, affordability crisis, medicaid,

1934
02:27:20,890 --> 02:27:24,560
tocks, these are all the common issues we are trying to tackle

1935
02:27:24,560 --> 02:27:27,697
and every level of government and being on the same ballot has

1936
02:27:27,697 --> 02:27:31,233
allowed us to connect and talk about how we're going to address

1937
02:27:31,233 --> 02:27:37,233
these issues as we run for election we've had more

1938
02:27:44,914 --> 02:27:49,118
campaigns going after petition and more candidates doing events

1939
02:27:49,118 --> 02:27:52,788
together which really helps with what is a definitely challenging

1940
02:27:52,788 --> 02:27:55,792
issue in democracy which the election fatigue.

1941
02:27:55,792 --> 02:27:59,528
there is such a thing as election fatigue I've noticed

1942
02:27:59,528 --> 02:28:02,865
when we knock doors, talking about soliciting donations from

1943
02:28:02,865 --> 02:28:05,668
small donors. A lot of us depend on donations

1944
02:28:05,668 --> 02:28:10,939
from our constituent small donors and it is much easier for

1945
02:28:10,939 --> 02:28:14,677
these folks as well, the people who are going to the ballot, you

1946
02:28:14,677 --> 02:28:19,682
know, to vote, to have to put their energy into these

1947
02:28:19,682 --> 02:28:24,554
elections all once the, as much as possible, instead of being,

1948
02:28:24,554 --> 02:28:28,557
to be honest, dressed out every year about different offices.

1949
02:28:28,557 --> 02:28:31,493
and, you know, I really have found that voters, when they go

1950
02:28:31,493 --> 02:28:35,565
to vote, they know exactly what they want to do.

1951
02:28:35,565 --> 02:28:38,565
my district is very independent-minded.

1952
02:28:39,102 --> 02:28:42,104
there are democrats who don't vote the party line who go by

1953
02:28:42,104 --> 02:28:46,509
who they know, the individual, but there are also people who

1954
02:28:46,509 --> 02:28:50,120
just vote down the slate just based on what line, who is

1955
02:28:50,120 --> 02:28:51,714
running on. These are both types of voters

1956
02:28:51,714 --> 02:28:55,584
that exist, and I think that they will continue to do so no

1957
02:28:55,584 --> 02:28:59,521
matter how many offices we add to the ballot.

1958
02:28:59,521 --> 02:29:03,325
so, that has been my experience, so far, with the offices that

1959
02:29:03,325 --> 02:29:05,861
did not need a constitution change.

1960
02:29:05,861 --> 02:29:12,200
but, when we passed that bill and it became law, the first,

1961
02:29:12,200 --> 02:29:15,271
you know, request I got from my constituents was actually can

1962
02:29:15,271 --> 02:29:20,276
you also move the other offices to the same year so that there

1963
02:29:20,276 --> 02:29:24,313
isn't a split of some offices being even years, some odd

1964
02:29:24,313 --> 02:29:27,150
years. And I had to explain to them

1965
02:29:27,150 --> 02:29:31,870
that that would be good but you get to decide it because that's

1966
02:29:31,870 --> 02:29:34,291
going to be a constitutional amendment and people will have

1967
02:29:34,291 --> 02:29:36,692
to vote on that. So that is exactly the option we

1968
02:29:36,692 --> 02:29:39,429
are providing to new yorkers. Do they think all of these

1969
02:29:39,429 --> 02:29:42,832
should be in the even-year election or do they want to keep

1970
02:29:42,832 --> 02:29:44,766
it split and they are going to decide?

1971
02:29:44,766 --> 02:29:47,436
I have also had experience running with all kinds of

1972
02:29:47,436 --> 02:29:50,390
different positions, you know, when things lined up

1973
02:29:50,390 --> 02:29:52,410
differently. I know in my county the she have

1974
02:29:52,410 --> 02:29:54,509
has run with the county executive, for example, but even

1975
02:29:54,509 --> 02:29:57,646
in those instances, there were opportunities for alignment in

1976
02:29:57,646 --> 02:30:00,249
terms of what issues we are talking about.

1977
02:30:00,249 --> 02:30:03,786
all of the issues we experience are interconnected.

1978
02:30:03,786 --> 02:30:09,125
public safety, affordability, roads, housing, there is no such

1979
02:30:09,125 --> 02:30:13,529
thing as anything we're doing that is purely apolitical, no

1980
02:30:13,529 --> 02:30:17,266
matter which office you are running for, and that is exactly

1981
02:30:17,266 --> 02:30:20,870
why all these offices are part of our democracy.

1982
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:24,539
so I am very glad we are giving voters the option to do this.

1983
02:30:24,539 --> 02:30:27,810
I think it will make our democracy more collaborative and

1984
02:30:27,810 --> 02:30:31,480
exciting and this is a time where we do want people to

1985
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:35,751
remain interested in this great experiment that we are involved

1986
02:30:35,751 --> 02:30:39,355
in which is a system of governance where people have a

1987
02:30:39,355 --> 02:30:42,692
voice in who represents them. So I will be supporting this

1988
02:30:42,692 --> 02:30:45,562
bill and voting yes when we start voting.

1989
02:30:45,562 --> 02:30:48,430
thank you so much. >> thank you.

1990
02:30:48,430 --> 02:30:49,299
ms. Walsh. >> thank you, madam speaker.

1991
02:30:49,299 --> 02:30:53,636
will the sponsor yield? >> speaker: will the sponsor

1992
02:30:53,636 --> 02:30:54,302
yield? >> yes.

1993
02:30:54,302 --> 02:30:55,104
>> speaker: the sponsor yields.

1994
02:30:55,104 --> 02:30:58,240
>> thank you. And I will apologize in advance

1995
02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:01,443
if you've gone through this. I for my own clarity want to

1996
02:31:01,443 --> 02:31:04,113
understand a particular hypothetical that I'm going to

1997
02:31:04,113 --> 02:31:05,781
throw out. >> ask away.

1998
02:31:05,781 --> 02:31:08,651
>> thank you. So, imagine, if you will, a

1999
02:31:08,651 --> 02:31:14,123
supreme court, new york city supreme court judge elected in

2000
02:31:14,123 --> 02:31:18,193
2019, 14-year term, that person would be up in 2033.

2001
02:31:18,193 --> 02:31:22,664
I want to just run through how that would work.

2002
02:31:22,664 --> 02:31:26,402
so, I understood you from previous questioning to say that

2003
02:31:26,402 --> 02:31:31,730
that incumbent judge would not need to run again in 2032

2004
02:31:31,730 --> 02:31:34,543
because that's shortening the term for which that person was

2005
02:31:34,543 --> 02:31:37,746
elected, so that we know is not going to happen, right?

2006
02:31:37,746 --> 02:31:38,414
>> correct. >> okay.

2007
02:31:38,414 --> 02:31:44,414
now we get to 2034. So, would that person be running

2008
02:31:46,155 --> 02:31:52,155
in 2034 if they choose to run? >> well, that person's term

2009
02:31:53,629 --> 02:31:55,629
expires in 2033. >> okay.

2010
02:31:57,299 --> 02:31:58,300
>> right? >> yes.

2011
02:31:58,300 --> 02:32:00,236
>> so there's a vacancy. >> yes.

2012
02:32:00,236 --> 02:32:02,572
>> and there would be an appointment.

2013
02:32:02,572 --> 02:32:08,572
and then that following november in 2034, that position would be

2014
02:32:09,111 --> 02:32:15,711
up for a full term. >> and as far as filling that

2015
02:32:15,984 --> 02:32:21,984
vacancy that occurs in 2033, my understanding is that that is

2016
02:32:27,329 --> 02:32:31,333
permissive with the governor, it is not mandatory to fill that

2017
02:32:31,333 --> 02:32:32,134
vacancy. Is that correct?

2018
02:32:32,134 --> 02:32:37,600
that's correct. And if the senate is in session,

2019
02:32:37,600 --> 02:32:40,600
maybe that's tboict thata problem.

2020
02:32:42,544 --> 02:32:47,344
it's with advise and consent. [ sneezing and coughing ]

2021
02:32:49,952 --> 02:32:51,220
>> I'm sorry. Bless you.

2022
02:32:51,220 --> 02:32:53,880
I didn't hear the answer to that.

2023
02:32:53,880 --> 02:32:56,240
>> the appointment is with the advice and consent of the senate

2024
02:32:56,240 --> 02:32:58,160
unless the senate is not session.

2025
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:02,960
>> and is that specifically necessary to fill judicial

2026
02:33:03,999 --> 02:33:04,566
vacancies? >> yes.

2027
02:33:04,566 --> 02:33:06,769
for supreme. Now, that would not be --

2028
02:33:06,769 --> 02:33:12,441
>> for those -- yes, not for the local but for the others.

2029
02:33:12,441 --> 02:33:15,444
>> okay. And you anticipated my next

2030
02:33:15,444 --> 02:33:18,515
question which is that is a unique situation that would be

2031
02:33:18,515 --> 02:33:22,715
faced for the supreme court judge positions.

2032
02:33:23,850 --> 02:33:26,685
>> yes, and also surrogate and --

2033
02:33:29,658 --> 02:33:32,658
>> family court as well? >> yes.

2034
02:33:34,797 --> 02:33:38,534
>> okay, so any judicial vacancies follow that method we

2035
02:33:38,534 --> 02:33:41,937
just talked about where the governor may, and it's with the

2036
02:33:41,937 --> 02:33:45,537
advice, consent of the senate. >> senate.

2037
02:33:46,742 --> 02:33:49,745
>> very good. >> any of the judges where the

2038
02:33:49,745 --> 02:33:54,683
caption says family court of the state of new york, county, you

2039
02:33:54,683 --> 02:33:58,687
know that's a state office. >> could you refresh my

2040
02:33:58,687 --> 02:34:04,260
recollection because I'm not clear, how was that procedure

2041
02:34:04,260 --> 02:34:06,495
initiated? Does that come as a request from

2042
02:34:06,495 --> 02:34:10,265
the governor to the senate for approval of a slate of vacancies

2043
02:34:10,265 --> 02:34:14,903
that she or he wishes to fill? Or is that something that is

2044
02:34:14,903 --> 02:34:18,707
initiated through the senate, or something else?

2045
02:34:18,707 --> 02:34:21,910
>> I think it could be anything. It could be a local person

2046
02:34:21,910 --> 02:34:26,382
saying, hey, we need another -- we want another judge here

2047
02:34:26,382 --> 02:34:32,382
because we're out of judge and please make an appointment.

2048
02:34:32,522 --> 02:34:35,391
it could be any reason. The office of court -- you know,

2049
02:34:35,391 --> 02:34:39,995
the other judges, the presiding judge in that district could say

2050
02:34:39,995 --> 02:34:41,730
we need another judge. >> right.

2051
02:34:41,730 --> 02:34:44,800
and you're, again, anticipating where I'm going next.

2052
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:48,471
so, if the governor, for whatever reason, chooses not to

2053
02:34:48,471 --> 02:34:52,671
fill a particular vacancy, then what happens?

2054
02:34:53,542 --> 02:34:55,942
>> then it's vacant. >> okay.

2055
02:34:56,811 --> 02:35:02,317
and then the impact on the remaining judges in that area

2056
02:35:02,317 --> 02:35:07,880
could be, would be that they would need to cover that case

2057
02:35:07,880 --> 02:35:10,825
load presumably that that judge that's leaving has left?

2058
02:35:10,825 --> 02:35:16,898
>> you know, I mean, it does happen sometimes when a judge

2059
02:35:16,898 --> 02:35:21,770
has to go outside their district, you know, and they

2060
02:35:21,770 --> 02:35:24,106
cover. So, you know, it will be dealt

2061
02:35:24,106 --> 02:35:27,442
with but I am sure that whoever the governor is, and I would

2062
02:35:27,442 --> 02:35:30,979
like to remind people that the governor's election hasn't been

2063
02:35:30,979 --> 02:35:34,717
done yet, so, whoever the governor is would want to fill

2064
02:35:34,717 --> 02:35:36,717
it. >> right.

2065
02:35:37,319 --> 02:35:39,455
but we've seen different things happen.

2066
02:35:39,455 --> 02:35:43,258
we've seen sometimes that the vacancies are not filled.

2067
02:35:43,258 --> 02:35:46,462
I'm specifically thinking about when the previous governor was

2068
02:35:46,462 --> 02:35:52,333
in office, we had that situation in my area, and he elected not

2069
02:35:52,333 --> 02:35:56,710
to fill the vacancies. But I believe, if I'm

2070
02:35:56,710 --> 02:35:59,808
remembering correctly, in that case, as a previous questioner

2071
02:35:59,808 --> 02:36:03,345
had mentioned, there was a situation where there was a

2072
02:36:03,345 --> 02:36:05,814
deputy and, so, the deputy was able to step into the role and

2073
02:36:05,814 --> 02:36:11,860
be the acting, and it was smoother than if you had, say, a

2074
02:36:11,860 --> 02:36:14,556
supreme court judge who says, you're done.

2075
02:36:14,556 --> 02:36:18,160
and, also, the other thing that occurred to me is that, in my

2076
02:36:18,160 --> 02:36:21,163
example, I was using the example of one judge, one state supreme

2077
02:36:21,163 --> 02:36:25,567
court judge that was impacted, but, if you consider that in an

2078
02:36:25,567 --> 02:36:30,239
odd previous odd election year, you could have had and often do

2079
02:36:30,239 --> 02:36:35,577
have several judge positions, I think the year I'm thinking of

2080
02:36:35,577 --> 02:36:40,782
in 2019 I think that there were at least three but I want to say

2081
02:36:40,782 --> 02:36:43,786
that there were five judgeships that were open.

2082
02:36:43,786 --> 02:36:47,524
so that could be playing this out in the hypothetical, there

2083
02:36:47,524 --> 02:36:50,580
could be a number of judge vacancies.

2084
02:36:50,580 --> 02:36:54,263
>> true, but if it's that great a number, there would be more of

2085
02:36:54,263 --> 02:36:58,667
an impetus for the governor to make that selection.

2086
02:36:58,667 --> 02:37:02,137
so, I think, then, there would be more pressure on the governor

2087
02:37:02,137 --> 02:37:07,142
to act and there would be a lot of local interest, the court

2088
02:37:07,142 --> 02:37:10,813
administration, a lot of people saying, hey, we need

2089
02:37:10,813 --> 02:37:13,160
appointments. >> I do agree with you.

2090
02:37:13,160 --> 02:37:18,416
I think there would be but there's nothing constitutionally

2091
02:37:18,754 --> 02:37:24,920
or statutorily that mandates she or he, the governor, fill that

2092
02:37:24,920 --> 02:37:25,961
vacancy. It's permissive.

2093
02:37:25,961 --> 02:37:31,500
>> I don't think we can write it that "the governor shall" that

2094
02:37:31,500 --> 02:37:35,971
gets very strong. >> heaven forbid we should do

2095
02:37:35,971 --> 02:37:39,571
something that strong, right? I understand.

2096
02:37:40,175 --> 02:37:43,332
I appreciate your answers to that.

2097
02:37:43,332 --> 02:37:49,806
so an overarching thing I have been thinking about through this

2098
02:37:49,806 --> 02:37:52,808
debait is do you -- and I'm going to ask you as the sponsor,

2099
02:37:52,808 --> 02:37:58,348
do you perceive staggered terms over all as being kind of a

2100
02:37:58,348 --> 02:38:00,549
problem? Is that part of the

2101
02:38:00,549 --> 02:38:04,286
justification for moving to the point where they will not be

2102
02:38:04,286 --> 02:38:09,225
staggered anymore but will be all on most except for new york

2103
02:38:09,225 --> 02:38:13,425
city. >> yeah, but some of the terms,

2104
02:38:14,297 --> 02:38:18,768
say, well start -- just to use a number, some will start in

2105
02:38:18,768 --> 02:38:22,771
'32 and others in '34, so it's not going to be everybody up at

2106
02:38:22,771 --> 02:38:27,511
the same time. >> yeah, you will still have --

2107
02:38:27,511 --> 02:38:31,447
you would still have a staggering in the sense that it

2108
02:38:31,447 --> 02:38:35,184
will always be or generally speaking will be on an even year

2109
02:38:35,184 --> 02:38:40,584
but it might not be the same even year.

2110
02:38:40,656 --> 02:38:43,793
>> right. >> there won't be judges up for

2111
02:38:43,793 --> 02:38:45,127
election. >> I understand what you're

2112
02:38:45,127 --> 02:38:47,463
saying there. I think you've answered my

2113
02:38:47,463 --> 02:38:48,931
questions. I appreciate your time and madam

2114
02:38:48,931 --> 02:38:50,799
speaker on the bill. >> speaker: on the bill.

2115
02:38:50,799 --> 02:38:54,537
>> so, I do think, and in listening to all of this and

2116
02:38:54,537 --> 02:38:59,675
thinking about it, I do think that there is a history and

2117
02:38:59,675 --> 02:39:04,213
rationale that has always existed in new york behind

2118
02:39:04,213 --> 02:39:09,130
staggered terps, and in american government generally, rood?

2119
02:39:09,885 --> 02:39:14,850
stability, continuity, independence, and where I think

2120
02:39:14,757 --> 02:39:18,227
it's very important here preventing sudden political

2121
02:39:18,227 --> 02:39:22,832
swings from capturing all levels of government at once.

2122
02:39:22,832 --> 02:39:26,502
that's really the rationale behind having staggered terms to

2123
02:39:26,502 --> 02:39:29,505
begin with. When new york adopted and

2124
02:39:29,505 --> 02:39:34,905
revised it's constitutions throughout the 19th and 20th ces

2125
02:39:35,244 --> 02:39:38,114
deliberately established different election cycle also

2126
02:39:38,114 --> 02:39:40,490
and term lengths for different offices.

2127
02:39:40,490 --> 02:39:43,586
the idea was that, first, federal offices would be elected

2128
02:39:43,586 --> 02:39:47,857
on within cycle, statewide offices would be elected on

2129
02:39:47,857 --> 02:39:51,727
another, local offices would very often be elected

2130
02:39:51,727 --> 02:39:55,331
separately, and that judges would serve long terms that

2131
02:39:55,331 --> 02:39:58,801
insulated them from immediate political pressures.

2132
02:39:58,801 --> 02:40:01,337
this reflected a broader american constitutional

2133
02:40:01,337 --> 02:40:05,475
principle that government should not be entirely subject to the

2134
02:40:05,475 --> 02:40:07,810
passions of a single election year.

2135
02:40:07,810 --> 02:40:12,214
the framers of new york's judicial article were

2136
02:40:12,214 --> 02:40:15,214
particularly concerned about judicial independence.

2137
02:40:15,752 --> 02:40:21,290
supreme court judges were given 14-year terms, and could I say

2138
02:40:21,290 --> 02:40:24,560
parenthetically, wouldn't we all kill with one of those with us

2139
02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:27,560
investigate stand every two years?

2140
02:40:27,763 --> 02:40:30,900
among the longest elected judicial terms in the country to

2141
02:40:30,900 --> 02:40:35,171
ensure judges could decide cases without constantly campaigning

2142
02:40:35,171 --> 02:40:37,573
for reelection. So continuity of government.

2143
02:40:37,573 --> 02:40:40,976
one of the reasons for staggering terms is to ensure

2144
02:40:40,976 --> 02:40:42,911
that institutional knowledge is retained.

2145
02:40:42,911 --> 02:40:47,315
if every county official, judge, legislature and executive were

2146
02:40:47,315 --> 02:40:52,115
elected simultaneously, a single election could replace nearly

2147
02:40:52,187 --> 02:40:55,560
everyone at once. Staggering ensure that

2148
02:40:55,560 --> 02:40:58,660
experienced officials remain in office, that government

2149
02:40:58,660 --> 02:41:01,664
functions continue smoothly and that new officials get to learn

2150
02:41:01,664 --> 02:41:05,864
from experienced colleagues. This principle is reflected

2151
02:41:07,136 --> 02:41:09,338
nationally in the staggered terms of the united states

2152
02:41:09,338 --> 02:41:12,875
senate where only about one-third of seats are up every

2153
02:41:12,875 --> 02:41:15,211
two years. Judicial independence would be

2154
02:41:15,211 --> 02:41:17,948
the second point. This is particularly important

2155
02:41:17,948 --> 02:41:22,148
for judges. Judges are expected to decide

2156
02:41:22,284 --> 02:41:24,486
unpopular cases, protect constitutional rights, rule

2157
02:41:24,486 --> 02:41:28,230
against powerful interest when it's necessary.

2158
02:41:28,230 --> 02:41:32,294
long and staggered judicial terms reduce the pressure to

2159
02:41:32,294 --> 02:41:36,499
align judicial decisions with the political mood of a

2160
02:41:36,499 --> 02:41:39,969
particular election cycle. A supreme court justice elected

2161
02:41:39,969 --> 02:41:43,305
in one political environment may continue self-care through

2162
02:41:43,305 --> 02:41:46,905
several governors, presidents and legislative majorities.

2163
02:41:49,311 --> 02:41:52,981
the third thing I really want to mention, and I think this is so

2164
02:41:52,981 --> 02:41:56,251
important, to prevent wave elections for sweeping every

2165
02:41:56,251 --> 02:41:57,920
office. Historically, one concern has

2166
02:41:57,920 --> 02:42:02,720
been that a presidential election or major political

2167
02:42:03,592 --> 02:42:06,662
movement could dominate every race on the ballot.

2168
02:42:06,662 --> 02:42:10,265
staggered elections force voters to focus on different selves of

2169
02:42:10,265 --> 02:42:14,200
government at different times. For example, a voter might

2170
02:42:14,200 --> 02:42:18,207
support a presidential candidate but in a separate local election

2171
02:42:18,207 --> 02:42:20,743
evaluate a judge, a district attorney or a sheriff on their

2172
02:42:20,743 --> 02:42:26,140
own merits, without staggering local races can become proxies

2173
02:42:26,140 --> 02:42:30,353
for national politics. And I think that is so

2174
02:42:30,353 --> 02:42:34,489
important, especially as someone else coined the term but we've

2175
02:42:34,489 --> 02:42:38,689
heard it before of a hyperpolitical environment.

2176
02:42:39,228 --> 02:42:42,432
and I think we find ourselves in it now.

2177
02:42:42,432 --> 02:42:46,632
we were hyperpolarized. So checks and balances.

2178
02:42:46,768 --> 02:42:49,838
staggered terms act as a structural check on concentrated

2179
02:42:49,838 --> 02:42:53,375
political power. If all offices were elected

2180
02:42:53,375 --> 02:42:56,450
simultaneously, one party could capture every level of

2181
02:42:56,450 --> 02:43:01,250
government in a single election. Policy changes could be more

2182
02:43:01,250 --> 02:43:02,718
abrupt. Institutional independence could

2183
02:43:02,718 --> 02:43:06,922
weaken. So, all of that being said, for

2184
02:43:06,922 --> 02:43:12,922
more than a century, new york that is deliberately staggered

2185
02:43:13,129 --> 02:43:16,932
elections in terms of office, and that was not by accident.

2186
02:43:16,932 --> 02:43:21,470
it reflected a belief that local government, the judiciary and

2187
02:43:21,470 --> 02:43:25,407
statewide offices often and each deserved their own measure of

2188
02:43:25,407 --> 02:43:27,409
independence from national political waves.

2189
02:43:27,409 --> 02:43:32,147
this bill, this legislation, this -- yeah, this

2190
02:43:32,147 --> 02:43:36,170
constitutional amendment that's being proposed treats staggered

2191
02:43:36,170 --> 02:43:43,217
terms as a problem to be solved. In reality, staggered terms are

2192
02:43:43,559 --> 02:43:47,960
a safeguard, one that promotes stability, continuity, judicial

2193
02:43:47,960 --> 02:43:51,567
independence and focused voter consideration of local offices.

2194
02:43:51,567 --> 02:43:54,570
before we dismantle that structure, we should have

2195
02:43:54,570 --> 02:43:58,774
whether maximizing turnout is worth sacrificing the very

2196
02:43:58,774 --> 02:44:03,574
protections that staggered terms were designed to provide.

2197
02:44:04,647 --> 02:44:09,510
a previous speaker, my colleague mentioned voter fatigue, right,

2198
02:44:09,510 --> 02:44:13,656
as a reason for trying to put everything on or more on for

2199
02:44:13,656 --> 02:44:16,570
even years. But voting, my friends, has

2200
02:44:16,570 --> 02:44:22,197
never been more convenient due to a number of changes in the

2201
02:44:22,197 --> 02:44:25,680
election law over the last few years.

2202
02:44:25,680 --> 02:44:28,270
we have early voting now, early voting periods.

2203
02:44:28,270 --> 02:44:31,807
we have no excuse absentee voting or whatever it is we

2204
02:44:31,807 --> 02:44:35,344
ended up calling it because when we called it no excuse absentee

2205
02:44:35,344 --> 02:44:41,484
voting the voters rejected it so we called it something else.

2206
02:44:41,484 --> 02:44:46,210
in any any event, they can voe without excuse on the absentee

2207
02:44:46,210 --> 02:44:48,157
ballot. I see my time is limited, but

2208
02:44:48,157 --> 02:44:52,270
the last thing I want to ask is where are the good government

2209
02:44:52,270 --> 02:44:56,231
groups here? I don't have any positions from

2210
02:44:56,231 --> 02:44:59,635
the league of women voters, I don't see any positions from

2211
02:44:59,635 --> 02:45:02,635
other good government groups that

2212
02:45:07,175 --> 02:45:11,246
weigh-in on absolutely tangential policy issues that

2213
02:45:11,246 --> 02:45:14,717
this policy body has taken up. Where are they?

2214
02:45:14,717 --> 02:45:18,387
if the league of women voters is interested primarily in

2215
02:45:18,387 --> 02:45:23,187
voting issues, why are we hearing crickets here?

2216
02:45:23,659 --> 02:45:28,459
I'm so disappointed. I'm not surprised but I'm

2217
02:45:29,265 --> 02:45:32,201
disappointed in the clomplete absence on it.

2218
02:45:32,201 --> 02:45:37,139
I will vote no on this and work hard to make sure that no

2219
02:45:37,139 --> 02:45:40,209
matter how this proposed constitutional amendment is

2220
02:45:40,209 --> 02:45:44,880
worded by the democrats that the people a represent and

2221
02:45:44,880 --> 02:45:47,150
beyond understand what this is really about.

2222
02:45:47,150 --> 02:45:50,190
I will urge them as an urge my colleagues to vote no.

2223
02:45:50,190 --> 02:45:53,221
thank you, madam speaker. >> speaker: thank you,

2224
02:45:53,221 --> 02:45:56,821
mr. Lavine. >> thank you, madam speaker.

2225
02:45:58,360 --> 02:46:00,563
will the sponsor yield for questions?

2226
02:46:00,563 --> 02:46:03,563
>> speaker: will the sponsor yield?

2227
02:46:03,899 --> 02:46:06,299
>> yes. >> speaker: sponsor yields.

2228
02:46:09,705 --> 02:46:14,505
>> mr. Jacobson, I heard d disenfranchisement referred to

2229
02:46:15,177 --> 02:46:17,379
several times during this debate.

2230
02:46:17,379 --> 02:46:20,379
what does that mean? D

2231
02:46:53,216 --> 02:46:54,482
disentrance shiesment -- di disenfranchisement.

2232
02:46:54,482 --> 02:46:55,283
>> nobody is being disenfranchised.

2233
02:46:55,283 --> 02:46:56,484
>> I know from my experience as a lawyer, cross-examining

2234
02:46:56,484 --> 02:46:57,420
other lawyers, lawyers make the worst witnesses.

2235
02:46:57,420 --> 02:46:58,487
I'm going to ask you again, can you define what is

2236
02:46:58,487 --> 02:47:00,155
disenfranchisement. >> it is in the extreme

2237
02:47:00,155 --> 02:47:03,359
prohibit people from voting. To do things that make it more

2238
02:47:03,359 --> 02:47:09,959
difficult for people to vote. >> is there anything at all in

2239
02:47:28,383 --> 02:47:33,783
your bill, that even at the slightest hints at

2240
02:47:45,935 --> 02:47:47,670
disenfranchising people that are entitled to vote?

2241
02:47:47,670 --> 02:47:48,471
>> no. >> there have been expressions

2242
02:47:48,471 --> 02:47:54,471
of concern over this bill. >> how did the people that

2243
02:47:54,677 --> 02:47:58,747
claimed even-year election voting was a corruption of

2244
02:47:58,747 --> 02:48:04,147
american democracy. How did they fare,ir, how did

2245
02:48:06,955 --> 02:48:08,290
they do at the court of appeals of the state of new

2246
02:48:08,290 --> 02:48:11,890
york? >> the court of appeals upheld

2247
02:48:14,429 --> 02:48:19,229
the 2023 law. >> they didn't do too good did

2248
02:48:20,102 --> 02:48:20,970
there? >> that's correct.

2249
02:48:20,970 --> 02:48:24,640
>> after that, march of this year, they appealed to the

2250
02:48:24,640 --> 02:48:27,776
supreme court of the united states, didn't they?

2251
02:48:27,776 --> 02:48:31,713
>> that's correct. >> and while some of us,

2252
02:48:31,713 --> 02:48:35,250
including myself, have been concerned that some of the

2253
02:48:35,250 --> 02:48:37,786
rulings of this present supreme court, when it comes

2254
02:48:37,786 --> 02:48:42,791
to voting rights, and it is not just me, how did those

2255
02:48:42,791 --> 02:48:47,591
people who had such problems with even-year election

2256
02:48:47,796 --> 02:48:52,868
voting, how did they manage at the supreme court of the

2257
02:48:52,868 --> 02:48:56,405
united states? They won, didn't they?

2258
02:48:56,405 --> 02:48:59,208
>> yes. >> no, they actually lost.

2259
02:48:59,208 --> 02:49:03,408
maybe I made the question unduly complicated.

2260
02:49:21,290 --> 02:49:21,898
>> point of order. Madam speaker, sorry to

2261
02:49:21,898 --> 02:49:22,831
interrupt. This doesn't seem germane to

2262
02:49:22,831 --> 02:49:23,565
the bill we're taking up right now.

2263
02:49:23,565 --> 02:49:24,833
I know talking about what is happening at the supreme court

2264
02:49:24,833 --> 02:49:30,106
several years ago is not germane to this discussion.

2265
02:49:30,106 --> 02:49:32,174
>> it was 2026. >> speaker: give me one

2266
02:49:32,174 --> 02:49:35,774
second. While the point is not

2267
02:50:10,278 --> 02:50:14,883
sustained, I will continue to remind my colleagues that the

2268
02:50:14,883 --> 02:50:20,883
outcome of the court decision may be relevant, but criticism

2269
02:50:28,430 --> 02:50:31,232
of federal administration and court is beyond the scope.

2270
02:50:31,232 --> 02:50:32,902
>> thank you, madam speaker. Please proceed.

2271
02:50:32,902 --> 02:50:37,702
>> I stand corrected. Now, you were asked m

2272
02:50:40,643 --> 02:50:44,843
mr. Jacobson. Mr. Jacobson, you were asked,

2273
02:50:48,500 --> 02:50:52,250
wouldn't the implementation of this particular measure,

2274
02:50:53,121 --> 02:50:56,925
wouldn't it cause great damage to the public in the sense

2275
02:50:56,925 --> 02:51:01,730
that if you had these even-year elections, there are

2276
02:51:01,730 --> 02:51:05,934
some law enforcement officers who might not get re-elected?

2277
02:51:05,934 --> 02:51:10,134
and would therefore not continue their investigations?

2278
02:51:13,675 --> 02:51:16,545
>> well, the investigations will continue at the

2279
02:51:16,545 --> 02:51:19,281
discretion of whoever got elected.

2280
02:51:19,281 --> 02:51:24,681
>> so mr. Jacobson, I'm not speaking now about recent

2281
02:51:25,554 --> 02:51:27,156
developments at the united states department of justice.

2282
02:51:27,156 --> 02:51:30,759
I want to make that clear to everybody in this room.

2283
02:51:30,759 --> 02:51:36,980
I'm not talking about that. I'm not even thinking about

2284
02:51:36,980 --> 02:51:37,767
that. Bru

2285
02:51:37,767 --> 02:51:40,902
but have you ever heard of a professional prosector or

2286
02:51:40,902 --> 02:51:44,390
professional sheriff or investigator who gets elected

2287
02:51:44,390 --> 02:51:48,576
and decides they don't want to honor their professional

2288
02:51:48,576 --> 02:51:51,447
obligation about continuing the investigations that their

2289
02:51:51,447 --> 02:51:56,247
predecessors had begun? >> I have heard about that.

2290
02:51:58,120 --> 02:52:02,320
>> okay. Now, question was asked of you

2291
02:52:02,724 --> 02:52:05,994
or statement was made with respect to this proposal -- by

2292
02:52:05,994 --> 02:52:10,531
the way, this proposal, who gets to eventually decide this

2293
02:52:10,531 --> 02:52:12,531
proposal? >> the voters.

2294
02:52:13,268 --> 02:52:19,868
>> so question was asked of you, with respect to the fact

2295
02:52:21,209 --> 02:52:22,811
that the bill does not cover new york city elections,

2296
02:52:22,811 --> 02:52:24,479
right? You were asked that question?

2297
02:52:24,479 --> 02:52:28,679
>> that's correct. >> the question was asked, how

2298
02:52:36,425 --> 02:52:40,962
is it fair that this gets to be decided by all the people

2299
02:52:40,962 --> 02:52:46,962
of the state of new york, this constitutional amendment when

2300
02:52:47,635 --> 02:52:51,774
the people that live in the five boroughs or majority of

2301
02:52:51,774 --> 02:52:56,440
them decided they don't want this within the boundaries of

2302
02:52:56,440 --> 02:52:59,247
the city of new york? >> all constitutional

2303
02:52:59,247 --> 02:53:03,447
amendments after passing two successive legislatures or

2304
02:53:06,989 --> 02:53:10,392
elected separately are presented to the voters of the

2305
02:53:10,392 --> 02:53:12,260
entire state. So all voters have a chance to

2306
02:53:12,260 --> 02:53:17,600
express their opinion. So when you drafted this

2307
02:53:22,203 --> 02:53:24,807
language, did you consider denying the people of the city

2308
02:53:24,807 --> 02:53:27,409
of new york who already expressed their view with

2309
02:53:27,409 --> 02:53:30,812
respect to this within the five boundaries, did you think

2310
02:53:30,812 --> 02:53:36,812
about denying them the right to vote on this statewide

2311
02:53:40,155 --> 02:53:42,155
constitutional amendment? >> no.

2312
02:53:44,292 --> 02:53:48,163
and I don't believe in di disenfranchisement and all of

2313
02:53:48,163 --> 02:53:51,633
the voters in the state have the right to vote on every

2314
02:53:51,633 --> 02:53:56,433
constitutional amendment that is presented for a vote.

2315
02:54:00,374 --> 02:54:03,246
I took it that at some point this proposal was submitted to

2316
02:54:03,246 --> 02:54:07,728
the office of the attorney general given that it is a

2317
02:54:07,728 --> 02:54:10,931
constitutional amendment. >> yes, there is a positive

2318
02:54:10,931 --> 02:54:13,400
opinion, that it met the standards.

2319
02:54:13,400 --> 02:54:18,800
>> and had you included language in the proposal that

2320
02:54:20,675 --> 02:54:24,411
would have denied the right of the people who vote in the

2321
02:54:24,411 --> 02:54:31,611
city of new york to vote on this referendum, what do you

2322
02:54:45,632 --> 02:54:46,833
think the attorney general's attitude would have been with

2323
02:54:46,833 --> 02:54:47,569
respect to the constitutionality?

2324
02:54:47,569 --> 02:54:48,702
>> well, I don't want to guess, I assume it would be

2325
02:54:48,702 --> 02:54:49,503
unconstitutional and would not work.

2326
02:54:49,503 --> 02:54:50,771
this bill does not d disenfranchise any voters from

2327
02:54:50,771 --> 02:54:54,375
making their voices heard when and if this amendment is

2328
02:54:54,375 --> 02:54:56,577
presented to the voters of the state.

2329
02:54:56,577 --> 02:55:01,377
of the entire state. >> mr. Jacobson, you were

2330
02:55:02,850 --> 02:55:07,650
questioned as to whether this proposal, if constitutionally

2331
02:55:09,790 --> 02:55:13,660
enacted, wouldn't cause undue confusion to the voters of the

2332
02:55:13,660 --> 02:55:17,860
state of new york at our elections?

2333
02:55:17,931 --> 02:55:20,467
do you think this would cause undue confusion?

2334
02:55:20,467 --> 02:55:24,710
>> no, I don't think so at all.

2335
02:55:24,710 --> 02:55:28,871
the voters make their decisions based on the

2336
02:56:06,848 --> 02:56:07,981
information they're given and they can vote on every

2337
02:56:07,981 --> 02:56:09,490
position before them. >> mr. Jacobson, are you aware

2338
02:56:09,490 --> 02:56:10,250
that the national conference of state legislature, which is

2339
02:56:10,250 --> 02:56:11,118
impartial. It is not republican, it is

2340
02:56:11,118 --> 02:56:11,719
not democrats. It is impartial.

2341
02:56:11,719 --> 02:56:12,653
nonpolitical. Advices that there are advices

2342
02:56:12,653 --> 02:56:13,921
that only four states left in the entire united states of

2343
02:56:13,921 --> 02:56:14,922
america that don't have even-year elections and those

2344
02:56:14,922 --> 02:56:16,256
states are ... West virginia, mississippi, and a couple of

2345
02:56:16,256 --> 02:56:17,725
the others, and louisiana. And new jersey had that

2346
02:56:17,725 --> 02:56:20,127
statement system. Are you aware that there are

2347
02:56:20,127 --> 02:56:23,464
only four states that don't have what you are advocating?

2348
02:56:23,464 --> 02:56:28,680
>> no, I wasn't aware of that. You are enlightening me and

2349
02:56:28,680 --> 02:56:31,668
this body. >> thank you mr. Jacobson.

2350
02:56:32,473 --> 02:56:38,473
I just have I think one last question for you.

2351
02:56:45,552 --> 02:56:48,880
have any of the good government groups contacted

2352
02:56:48,880 --> 02:56:52,427
you to tell you that this is just a terrible idea?

2353
02:56:52,427 --> 02:56:55,896
>> no, nobody contacted us on that.

2354
02:56:55,896 --> 02:56:58,899
>> and why would you think that good government groups

2355
02:56:58,899 --> 02:57:04,972
are not standing up with their hair on fire over the prospect

2356
02:57:04,972 --> 02:57:06,907
of this constitutional amendment?

2357
02:57:06,907 --> 02:57:10,778
>> well, usually people speak up when they're against

2358
02:57:10,778 --> 02:57:12,646
something. And if they're for something,

2359
02:57:12,646 --> 02:57:15,849
they're usually quiet. So that would be my

2360
02:57:15,849 --> 02:57:17,250
assumption. >> thank you very much,

2361
02:57:17,250 --> 02:57:20,850
mr. Jacobson. >> will the sponsor yield.

2362
02:57:32,267 --> 02:57:36,604
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> I was fascinated with the

2363
02:57:36,604 --> 02:57:40,600
first debate you had with assemblyman slater.

2364
02:57:40,600 --> 02:57:40,808
one question for clarification.

2365
02:57:40,808 --> 02:57:45,608
when you were asked assemblyman, you states I

2366
02:58:03,363 --> 02:58:04,565
think new york city is exempt because voters received

2367
02:58:04,565 --> 02:58:05,698
greater media attention or exposure and had receive voter

2368
02:58:05,698 --> 02:58:06,434
engagement, did I get that right?

2369
02:58:06,434 --> 02:58:07,634
>> that is part of it, new york city, as you know, is

2370
02:58:07,634 --> 02:58:08,234
unique. And has different

2371
02:58:08,234 --> 02:58:08,903
circumstances. >> thank you.

2372
02:58:08,903 --> 02:58:10,437
>> if later on, we decide, or if we decide, based on what we

2373
02:58:10,437 --> 02:58:14,975
know, we can present that. At this point, we just have a

2374
02:58:14,975 --> 02:58:16,310
limited constitutional amendment.

2375
02:58:16,310 --> 02:58:21,710
>> thank you. In the borough of the bronx I

2376
02:58:36,663 --> 02:58:37,799
was looking at, the county has a similar population of

2377
02:58:37,799 --> 02:58:38,733
1.4 million people. In 2021, the executive

2378
02:58:38,733 --> 02:58:39,934
election generated more than 283,000 votes while the entire

2379
02:58:39,934 --> 02:58:44,134
borrow of the bronx cast approximately only 126,000

2380
02:58:56,149 --> 02:58:59,149
votes in the hairline election.

2381
02:59:30,918 --> 02:59:31,919
if the greater media exposure leads to greater voter

2382
02:59:31,919 --> 02:59:32,987
participation, how do you explain the nasser county

2383
02:59:32,987 --> 02:59:34,188
generating more than twice the voter engagement of the bronx

2384
02:59:34,188 --> 02:59:34,988
despite the similar population.

2385
02:59:34,988 --> 02:59:36,550
for that matter, if new york city doesn't already

2386
02:59:36,550 --> 02:59:37,124
demonstrate higher voter representation, why exempt it

2387
02:59:37,124 --> 02:59:38,192
from the reform or great ideas heard from the esteem

2388
02:59:38,192 --> 02:59:39,327
colleague assemblyman lavine? Why not let them do it?

2389
02:59:39,327 --> 02:59:40,600
what is the harm, is my question?

2390
02:59:40,600 --> 02:59:40,860
>> mr. Lavine, why do you rise.

2391
02:59:40,860 --> 02:59:41,929
>> we're not supposed to refer to other people by name.

2392
02:59:41,929 --> 02:59:42,862
>> >> speaker: your point is sustained.

2393
02:59:42,862 --> 02:59:43,998
we will refrain from using other member's members while

2394
02:59:43,998 --> 02:59:44,798
asking questions. To the bill.

2395
02:59:44,798 --> 02:59:49,598
>> thank you. Why can't we off the implement

2396
03:00:27,574 --> 03:00:28,775
the great ideas our nameless esteemed colleague proposed.

2397
03:00:28,775 --> 03:00:29,577
>> I will take that into consideration.

2398
03:00:29,577 --> 03:00:30,445
maybe we will. >> thank you so much.

2399
03:00:30,445 --> 03:00:31,578
madam speaker on the bill. >> speaker: on the bill.

2400
03:00:31,578 --> 03:00:32,714
>> what strikes me most is albany seems to have developed

2401
03:00:32,714 --> 03:00:33,648
a simple answer to every election question.

2402
03:00:33,648 --> 03:00:34,715
change the rules. If turnout is lower than some

2403
03:00:34,715 --> 03:00:35,649
people would like, let's change the rules.

2404
03:00:35,649 --> 03:00:36,850
if one election cycle produces different results than another

2405
03:00:36,850 --> 03:00:37,785
election -- >> this proposal is presented

2406
03:00:37,785 --> 03:00:38,919
as a good government reform. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

2407
03:00:38,919 --> 03:00:40,721
what it unquestionably does is change who shows up, when they

2408
03:00:40,721 --> 03:00:43,658
show up and what elections they're participating in.

2409
03:00:43,658 --> 03:00:50,258
that is not an administrative change, it is to the heart

2410
03:01:35,910 --> 03:01:38,445
anecdotally and not by the numbers themselves that people

2411
03:01:38,445 --> 03:01:41,382
really don't pay attention in the odd years.

2412
03:01:41,382 --> 03:01:44,918
they pay attention in even year elections because of the folks

2413
03:01:44,918 --> 03:01:49,656
at the top of the ballot. And as much as I wish that --

2414
03:01:49,656 --> 03:01:54,328
and I don't really want to throw them under the bus, my inlaws,

2415
03:01:54,328 --> 03:01:57,464
who I spend time up here with when I'm in albany, actually

2416
03:01:57,464 --> 03:02:02,936
knew when their school board election was or election was for

2417
03:02:02,936 --> 03:02:06,473
town supervisor or the election for village trustee, they just

2418
03:02:06,473 --> 03:02:08,408
don't. They are not engaged but they

2419
03:02:08,408 --> 03:02:11,311
are paying attention to congressional votes and

2420
03:02:11,311 --> 03:02:14,748
gubernatorial votes and clearly, paying attention to presidential

2421
03:02:14,748 --> 03:02:16,483
votes. So when we talk about people

2422
03:02:16,483 --> 03:02:20,530
actually being engaged in elections, it makes a lot more

2423
03:02:20,530 --> 03:02:23,623
sense for us to have people running in those even years.

2424
03:02:23,623 --> 03:02:28,395
again, as much as we would love that people are paying attention

2425
03:02:28,395 --> 03:02:32,299
to the sheriff's election or the judge, it is very difficult to

2426
03:02:32,299 --> 03:02:36,103
actually get people to pay attention to those other

2427
03:02:36,103 --> 03:02:39,473
elections, because, they are not advertised as much whether in

2428
03:02:39,473 --> 03:02:47,273
the media or otherwise. And, and as much as we can do a

2429
03:02:47,814 --> 03:02:51,985
better job engaging with voters and sending out mailer, they are

2430
03:02:51,985 --> 03:02:53,454
not atuned to these types of things.

2431
03:02:53,454 --> 03:02:56,522
those folks who are engaged voters and are coming out to

2432
03:02:56,522 --> 03:03:00,727
vote in those off-year elections will continue to come out in the

2433
03:03:00,727 --> 03:03:07,927
even year elections, and we will have much more again, much more

2434
03:03:08,568 --> 03:03:11,471
robust turnout and much more hopefully much more robust

2435
03:03:11,471 --> 03:03:20,471
voters who are really seeking to find out what -- who is on the n

2436
03:03:21,548 --> 03:03:23,283
the ballot and what it is all about.

2437
03:03:23,283 --> 03:03:27,954
as much as I wish people were tuned into the off years and

2438
03:03:27,954 --> 03:03:32,292
made sense when it is first constructed to plbalance

2439
03:03:32,292 --> 03:03:37,920
everything out, we continue is not the case.

2440
03:03:39,299 --> 03:03:42,836
having seen it in the offyears, I know it to be

2441
03:03:42,836 --> 03:03:45,905
true. I know with the even-year

2442
03:03:45,905 --> 03:03:48,842
elections, much more people will pay attention to who is

2443
03:03:48,842 --> 03:03:52,912
on the ballot at every level of government and come out to

2444
03:03:52,912 --> 03:03:54,914
vote. When we get to the point of

2445
03:03:54,914 --> 03:03:59,452
voting, which I hope will be soon, I'll vote in the

2446
03:03:59,452 --> 03:04:01,452
affirmative. >> thank you.

2447
03:04:02,322 --> 03:04:05,922
mr. Durso. >> speaker: will the sponsor

2448
03:04:07,194 --> 03:04:08,129
yield. >> yes.

2449
03:04:08,129 --> 03:04:11,640
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> for clarity, you said I

2450
03:04:11,640 --> 03:04:12,799
can't recall, I want to understand this, obviously

2451
03:04:12,799 --> 03:04:17,605
this is moving the das, sheriffs, other judges' races

2452
03:04:17,605 --> 03:04:21,475
to the even years to match up with the amendment we did a

2453
03:04:21,475 --> 03:04:24,770
couple years ago that brought those elections to even years,

2454
03:04:24,770 --> 03:04:27,214
right? >> to match up with the

2455
03:04:27,214 --> 03:04:28,682
statute. >> in your opinion, why didn't

2456
03:04:28,682 --> 03:04:33,482
we do them all at one time then?

2457
03:04:42,295 --> 03:04:44,898
>> I don't know. We passed that and we'll

2458
03:04:44,898 --> 03:04:48,635
hopefully pass this so that everybody's are in the same

2459
03:04:48,635 --> 03:04:49,436
year. >> you are saying it is a fix,

2460
03:04:49,436 --> 03:04:52,105
essentially? Maybe they missed out on it

2461
03:04:52,105 --> 03:04:56,905
last time? >> no, I'm saying we can only

2462
03:05:02,480 --> 03:05:06,453
do it by statute, so much. And now with a constitutional

2463
03:05:06,453 --> 03:05:09,560
amendment, we're completing the process.

2464
03:05:09,560 --> 03:05:12,656
>> okay. So when we did that

2465
03:05:13,590 --> 03:05:17,859
constitutional amendment, it was said that if someone's

2466
03:05:19,199 --> 03:05:22,470
term was up in an odd year. If they had a four-year term

2467
03:05:22,470 --> 03:05:25,605
and because of the constitutional amendment being

2468
03:05:25,605 --> 03:05:28,609
passed, they would only do a three-year term so it would

2469
03:05:28,609 --> 03:05:30,677
match up on an even, year, correct?

2470
03:05:30,677 --> 03:05:33,680
>> what you are describing is a statute.

2471
03:05:33,680 --> 03:05:34,748
it wasn't a constitutional amendment.

2472
03:05:34,748 --> 03:05:37,830
>> but that was part of it, correct?

2473
03:05:37,830 --> 03:05:38,885
>> yes. >> okay.

2474
03:05:38,885 --> 03:05:42,757
>> no. >> you said yes, and then no.

2475
03:05:42,757 --> 03:05:47,294
>> in 2023, it was a statute. It did pass about how to get

2476
03:05:47,294 --> 03:05:50,894
the different officers in even years.

2477
03:05:51,498 --> 03:05:54,498
by the different election years.

2478
03:05:55,101 --> 03:05:58,505
>> maybe I don't know the answer and I probably don't.

2479
03:05:58,505 --> 03:06:01,174
why are we not following the same with this?

2480
03:06:01,174 --> 03:06:05,374
to where now we will have vacancies?

2481
03:06:06,112 --> 03:06:09,316
why wouldn't we make it in the amendment or change the

2482
03:06:09,316 --> 03:06:12,919
statute so there is no vacancies and maybe do shorter

2483
03:06:12,919 --> 03:06:16,256
terms so there is no vacancies, so people can be

2484
03:06:16,256 --> 03:06:18,724
elected by the person they voked for?

2485
03:06:18,724 --> 03:06:21,124
-- voted for? >> president

2486
03:06:23,998 --> 03:06:26,866
>> it was a choice that was made in consideration of the

2487
03:06:26,866 --> 03:06:30,136
judges being able to serve out their full term.

2488
03:06:30,136 --> 03:06:34,741
>> so this was made more for the judges so they could serve

2489
03:06:34,741 --> 03:06:38,879
their full term, not the das, sheriffs, so on, so forth.

2490
03:06:38,879 --> 03:06:41,615
>> just part of it. More constitutional officers

2491
03:06:41,615 --> 03:06:45,819
so we treat them all the same. >> but the judges have -- how

2492
03:06:45,819 --> 03:06:48,819
long is the term? 14 years?

2493
03:06:50,157 --> 03:06:52,425
>> 14 years, that is not changing.

2494
03:06:52,425 --> 03:06:55,950
>> understood. >> the term you would normally

2495
03:06:55,950 --> 03:06:58,970
be elected for which for a da is four years, would be

2496
03:06:58,970 --> 03:07:02,168
changed, correct? >> no, in fact we're mandating

2497
03:07:02,168 --> 03:07:06,840
it is a four-year term. >> you are mandating it is a

2498
03:07:06,840 --> 03:07:10,644
four-year term if you are elected in an even year.

2499
03:07:10,644 --> 03:07:16,382
>> going forward, it will be a four-year term once you're

2500
03:07:16,382 --> 03:07:19,986
elected under the provisions of this constitutional

2501
03:07:19,986 --> 03:07:21,321
amendment. >> okay.

2502
03:07:21,321 --> 03:07:26,860
so again, could we have changed the statute so that it

2503
03:07:26,860 --> 03:07:31,931
would have followed the same way that the last

2504
03:07:31,931 --> 03:07:34,534
constitutional amendment when it was put in place was done

2505
03:07:34,534 --> 03:07:38,605
where someone may have a shorter term but can fill out

2506
03:07:38,605 --> 03:07:43,543
a term when they were elected by people in their town or

2507
03:07:43,543 --> 03:07:48,943
wherever it may be? >> could it have been done

2508
03:07:55,210 --> 03:07:58,920
like the statute we did not the constitutional.

2509
03:07:58,920 --> 03:07:59,760
>> could we have changed the statute.

2510
03:07:59,760 --> 03:08:01,762
>> we could, but this is what we have.

2511
03:08:01,762 --> 03:08:05,432
>> we are not changing the statute so we can have

2512
03:08:05,432 --> 03:08:12,320
vacancies in a da or sheriff position, so on, so forth?

2513
03:08:12,105 --> 03:08:14,775
>> correct. >> and the governor can

2514
03:08:14,775 --> 03:08:17,430
appoint to fill the rest of the term?

2515
03:08:17,430 --> 03:08:19,913
>> right. >> let me ask you this, since

2516
03:08:19,913 --> 03:08:22,515
we talked about democracy and voter suppression, all of the

2517
03:08:22,515 --> 03:08:29,115
other words we talked about, how is that democracy when we

2518
03:08:29,456 --> 03:08:33,590
are specifically making this -- possibly making this new

2519
03:08:33,590 --> 03:08:35,662
law. We'll leave it up to voters

2520
03:08:35,662 --> 03:08:39,799
and we'll get to that in a minute, and then saying these

2521
03:08:39,799 --> 03:08:42,469
people you are now electing will not fill out their full

2522
03:08:42,469 --> 03:08:46,872
term and we'll have another elected official put someone

2523
03:08:46,872 --> 03:08:51,770
else into place? >> well, the whole purpose of

2524
03:08:51,770 --> 03:08:55,882
this is to have greater turnout where people vote

2525
03:08:55,882 --> 03:08:58,284
directly for this. And the people making the

2526
03:08:58,284 --> 03:09:01,487
appointment are chosen by the voters.

2527
03:09:01,487 --> 03:09:04,691
>> basically saying this is all about voter turnout,

2528
03:09:04,691 --> 03:09:08,761
getting people out to vote? >> yes, because we believe

2529
03:09:08,761 --> 03:09:12,565
that it is best when more people vote in elections.

2530
03:09:12,565 --> 03:09:16,765
>> so why not include villages, school board

2531
03:09:18,905 --> 03:09:21,107
election districts and others in this?

2532
03:09:21,107 --> 03:09:24,376
because they have some of the lowest turnout in local

2533
03:09:24,376 --> 03:09:27,179
elections by far. So why are we leaving them

2534
03:09:27,179 --> 03:09:29,480
out, if this is about getting people out to vote in local

2535
03:09:29,480 --> 03:09:32,648
elections? >> we can change that by

2536
03:09:34,187 --> 03:09:37,124
statute. Maybe in the future we will.

2537
03:09:37,124 --> 03:09:39,992
>> why do we have to piecemeal it together?

2538
03:09:39,992 --> 03:09:42,929
why didn't we do it at once? >> it is not a lot of

2539
03:09:42,929 --> 03:09:48,201
confidence in the process. >> well, they're not in the

2540
03:09:48,201 --> 03:09:50,336
constitution. So they would have to be done

2541
03:09:50,336 --> 03:09:51,737
by statute. >> understood.

2542
03:09:51,737 --> 03:09:57,137
>> then we'll see if we want to make changes.

2543
03:09:57,877 --> 03:10:01,477
then we'll go from there. >> okay.

2544
03:10:03,616 --> 03:10:05,418
so touching back on something else.

2545
03:10:05,418 --> 03:10:11,418
you spoke about new york city obviously did their own

2546
03:10:11,824 --> 03:10:13,960
charter, correct, put it to a vote?

2547
03:10:13,960 --> 03:10:19,360
>> it was a nonbinding referendum that I heard about.

2548
03:10:19,699 --> 03:10:24,499
>> that you heard about or that it happened?

2549
03:10:30,931 --> 03:10:35,402
>> it was the ballot. >> we didn't just hear about

2550
03:10:35,402 --> 03:10:38,539
it, it happened. The people of new york city

2551
03:10:38,539 --> 03:10:41,475
already spoke, essentially is what you said, correct?

2552
03:10:41,475 --> 03:10:46,875
decided they did not want it on even years?

2553
03:10:48,820 --> 03:10:50,819
>> well, that is probably part of it, the point is new york

2554
03:10:50,819 --> 03:10:52,152
city is different. >> how?

2555
03:10:52,152 --> 03:10:56,757
>> how are they different? >> it is just different.

2556
03:10:56,757 --> 03:11:00,957
>> okay. But we'll see what happens in

2557
03:11:02,496 --> 03:11:03,697
the future. >> can you explain why they're

2558
03:11:03,697 --> 03:11:07,897
different? Is there a definition to new

2559
03:11:09,303 --> 03:11:14,703
york city is different? >> well, it is the largest

2560
03:11:19,514 --> 03:11:23,114
city in america. >> roughly 8 million people,

2561
03:11:23,117 --> 03:11:25,117
correct? >> yeah.

2562
03:11:25,119 --> 03:11:26,854
>> roughly 12 million in the rest of the state.

2563
03:11:26,854 --> 03:11:28,789
so the rest of the state is not different or as important?

2564
03:11:28,789 --> 03:11:34,194
is that what you are saying? >> I think we just decided

2565
03:11:34,194 --> 03:11:38,665
this is what we're doing. >> so it wasn't because they

2566
03:11:38,665 --> 03:11:40,601
did their own referendum is what you are saying?

2567
03:11:40,601 --> 03:11:45,806
had nothing to do with that? Earlier you said it was.

2568
03:11:45,806 --> 03:11:47,741
>> I said in part. That was considered.

2569
03:11:47,741 --> 03:11:51,678
>> that was considered. They're a larger media market,

2570
03:11:51,678 --> 03:11:54,810
correct? That was part of the

2571
03:11:54,810 --> 03:11:56,149
consideration. >> how the elections are

2572
03:11:56,149 --> 03:11:59,149
focused. I think everybody throughout

2573
03:11:59,219 --> 03:12:02,891
the country knew that -- >> you put all of those things

2574
03:12:02,891 --> 03:12:07,910
together and came to that conclusion, correct?

2575
03:12:07,361 --> 03:12:10,498
you said you put all those things together.

2576
03:12:10,498 --> 03:12:14,701
somewhere like long island has the same media market as new

2577
03:12:14,701 --> 03:12:17,304
york city. That is one check mark.

2578
03:12:17,304 --> 03:12:21,410
>> yes, but the problem is they don't cover the local

2579
03:12:21,410 --> 03:12:22,243
races. >> I'm sorry.

2580
03:12:22,243 --> 03:12:24,444
>> you don't get the same coverage of the local.

2581
03:12:24,444 --> 03:12:26,847
>> it is about what the media covers?

2582
03:12:26,847 --> 03:12:29,316
>> yeah. >> how is that scientist?

2583
03:12:29,316 --> 03:12:35,316
how is that political? >> all I'm saying is that the

2584
03:12:36,857 --> 03:12:40,661
new york city is different, the size is different.

2585
03:12:40,661 --> 03:12:44,640
how people get their information is different.

2586
03:12:44,640 --> 03:12:48,735
and we can always do this another time for new york

2587
03:12:48,735 --> 03:12:50,604
city. >> so because they're

2588
03:12:50,604 --> 03:12:53,700
different, size is different, media coverage is different,

2589
03:12:53,700 --> 03:12:57,411
even though we have the same media market, if nassau or

2590
03:12:57,411 --> 03:13:02,817
suffolk county or city like long beach did their own

2591
03:13:02,817 --> 03:13:05,219
referendum would they be excluded from this?

2592
03:13:05,219 --> 03:13:09,690
if their voters decided in the county or town or city of long

2593
03:13:09,690 --> 03:13:12,560
beach or glen cove to put a referendum on the ballot and

2594
03:13:12,560 --> 03:13:16,497
said do we want this, would they be excluded?

2595
03:13:16,497 --> 03:13:19,320
you are excluding new york city because the voters spoke.

2596
03:13:19,320 --> 03:13:23,838
if the voters in another town, county, city said we spoke,

2597
03:13:23,838 --> 03:13:28,775
are we going to tell the voters they're wrong in that

2598
03:13:28,775 --> 03:13:32,380
instance and tell them that new york city is different?

2599
03:13:32,380 --> 03:13:35,315
>> well, we're getting into hypotheticals here.

2600
03:13:35,315 --> 03:13:41,315
>> it is not hypothetical. >> well, it is not in there.

2601
03:13:43,123 --> 03:13:46,860
we're doing this so the constitutional offices in

2602
03:13:46,860 --> 03:13:51,799
where we maneuvered everything to an even year are going to

2603
03:13:51,799 --> 03:13:55,200
be on the same ballot. >> what if I told you

2604
03:13:55,200 --> 03:14:00,408
mr. Jacobson, there are two cities, one city, one town on

2605
03:14:00,408 --> 03:14:06,408
long island that did do this, would they be exclude?

2606
03:14:08,615 --> 03:14:11,286
>> no. >> we're doing it for new york

2607
03:14:11,286 --> 03:14:13,420
city blanketly, because they're special?

2608
03:14:13,420 --> 03:14:17,691
>> we have a lot of things that only -- we pass laws all

2609
03:14:17,691 --> 03:14:19,760
the time. >> yes, we do.

2610
03:14:19,760 --> 03:14:24,164
they're usually, as you said, cities of more than one

2611
03:14:24,164 --> 03:14:26,330
million. But it doesn't say that here.

2612
03:14:26,330 --> 03:14:28,968
it doesn't say cities of more than one million.

2613
03:14:28,968 --> 03:14:34,968
it says new york city. Your answers to why amongst

2614
03:14:36,109 --> 03:14:37,844
others is that the voters spoke.

2615
03:14:37,844 --> 03:14:44,117
this is all about the voters' voice and we trust the voters.

2616
03:14:44,117 --> 03:14:47,187
the voters spoke they have a different media market and

2617
03:14:47,187 --> 03:14:48,255
they're different. There is 8 million people

2618
03:14:48,255 --> 03:14:52,455
there. So again, if the city of

2619
03:14:52,659 --> 03:14:55,330
yonkers did their own referendum, they're not new

2620
03:14:55,330 --> 03:14:58,265
york city so they're not special.

2621
03:14:58,265 --> 03:15:01,000
if westchester county did it, they're different?

2622
03:15:01,000 --> 03:15:05,939
>> the voters will gret a chance -- will get a chance,

2623
03:15:05,939 --> 03:15:09,142
if we pass this now or next year, the voters get a chance.

2624
03:15:09,142 --> 03:15:12,546
if they don't want to have it, they can vote against it.

2625
03:15:12,546 --> 03:15:17,283
>> I completely understand, I'm not disagreeing with how

2626
03:15:17,283 --> 03:15:19,420
the process will go working forward.

2627
03:15:19,420 --> 03:15:23,290
I'm trying understand to, you excluded eight million people.

2628
03:15:23,290 --> 03:15:29,290
the five boroughs of new york city, roughly 8 million people

2629
03:15:29,696 --> 03:15:32,699
from this. They get to vote on it.

2630
03:15:32,699 --> 03:15:33,967
I understand this is part of the constitution.

2631
03:15:33,967 --> 03:15:37,705
I understand that. The reasons why they are

2632
03:15:37,705 --> 03:15:41,174
excluded is different media market, they've already voted

2633
03:15:41,174 --> 03:15:44,512
and they're special. So I want to understand if

2634
03:15:44,512 --> 03:15:49,480
another town, county, anything -- I mean, we could all shake

2635
03:15:49,480 --> 03:15:51,851
our head about it. We could, but it is the truth.

2636
03:15:51,851 --> 03:15:54,540
the fact of the matter is you have no answer.

2637
03:15:54,540 --> 03:16:01,254
so what I will ske is ... -- question is ... What is the

2638
03:16:01,861 --> 03:16:04,931
real reason. They did a referendum.

2639
03:16:04,931 --> 03:16:08,602
if another town or county has done this anywhere else, will

2640
03:16:08,602 --> 03:16:13,730
they be excluded? >> no, we have this amendment

2641
03:16:13,730 --> 03:16:15,809
and the process is that eventually it will go before

2642
03:16:15,809 --> 03:16:18,945
the voters. >> mr. Jacobson, I appreciate

2643
03:16:18,945 --> 03:16:21,345
that. I really do.

2644
03:16:21,415 --> 03:16:24,850
I understand that you have a job to do.

2645
03:16:24,850 --> 03:16:27,487
as do I. We're both doing them now.

2646
03:16:27,487 --> 03:16:31,358
I am trying to understand, again, now, going past the

2647
03:16:31,358 --> 03:16:35,295
city portion of it, we have talked about greater voter

2648
03:16:35,295 --> 03:16:38,164
turnout, right? And we can't force people to

2649
03:16:38,164 --> 03:16:41,168
do things. We force people in this

2650
03:16:41,168 --> 03:16:45,773
chamber all the time throughout the state to do

2651
03:16:45,773 --> 03:16:49,420
things or exclude people because you said villages and

2652
03:16:49,420 --> 03:16:52,246
towns are not part of the constitution we can't force

2653
03:16:52,246 --> 03:16:55,846
them, correct? >> we passed by statute

2654
03:16:57,251 --> 03:17:01,451
concerning towns and county legislatures and county

2655
03:17:03,857 --> 03:17:08,570
executives and doing by constitutional amendment the

2656
03:17:08,595 --> 03:17:12,267
constitutional officers and villages can be addressed next

2657
03:17:12,267 --> 03:17:15,267
year. Maybe you'll have suggestions

2658
03:17:23,810 --> 03:17:26,790
on that. >> I have plenty of

2659
03:17:26,790 --> 03:17:27,948
suggestions. We talk about fairness here.

2660
03:17:27,948 --> 03:17:30,617
fairness, equity, making sure the voters have a voice.

2661
03:17:30,617 --> 03:17:33,487
it is just that the voters voice in new york city,

2662
03:17:33,487 --> 03:17:37,491
because they already did a referendum, we think.

2663
03:17:37,491 --> 03:17:41,694
spoke but if they spoke in my county or the two counties I

2664
03:17:41,694 --> 03:17:46,494
represent or something in westchester or eerie county,

2665
03:17:46,835 --> 03:17:50,704
their voices don't matter. If they did their referendum

2666
03:17:50,704 --> 03:17:54,420
they wouldn't be included in this, this is because new york

2667
03:17:54,420 --> 03:17:56,643
city is special. I'm talking about fairness.

2668
03:17:56,643 --> 03:17:59,847
listen, the voters will vote on this referendum, we will

2669
03:17:59,847 --> 03:18:03,717
trust the voters. I'm 100% fine with that

2670
03:18:03,717 --> 03:18:06,920
but the da in manhattan and the position is just as

2671
03:18:06,920 --> 03:18:09,190
important as the da in eerie county.

2672
03:18:09,190 --> 03:18:13,861
the da in the bronx is just as important, the position, as

2673
03:18:13,861 --> 03:18:17,198
the da in suffolk county. Why are they being treated

2674
03:18:17,198 --> 03:18:20,798
differently? Their job is to represent

2675
03:18:26,730 --> 03:18:30,770
people that elected them. We're just not giving them the

2676
03:18:30,770 --> 03:18:35,477
same due as we will for new york city.

2677
03:18:40,153 --> 03:18:42,689
>> we'll see what happens. >> thank you for answering

2678
03:18:42,689 --> 03:18:45,492
that for me. Thank you, madam speaker.

2679
03:18:45,492 --> 03:18:48,963
>> speaker: ms. Lunsford. >> on the bill.

2680
03:18:48,963 --> 03:18:52,310
>> speaker: on the bill. >> I approach this with a

2681
03:18:52,310 --> 03:18:54,434
different perspective than some of my colleagues here.

2682
03:18:54,434 --> 03:19:00,390
I have had the privilege of running with a village that

2683
03:19:00,390 --> 03:19:02,910
has local elections on the evens in november.

2684
03:19:02,910 --> 03:19:07,848
I have run my entire career with this village of fair

2685
03:19:07,848 --> 03:19:11,318
port. I have seen the impact on

2686
03:19:11,318 --> 03:19:16,718
voter turnout of local elections, which is I think,

2687
03:19:17,390 --> 03:19:20,590
surprisingly outsized to what you might expect.

2688
03:19:20,590 --> 03:19:24,465
you know, we all see -- we are all the same kind of nerd in

2689
03:19:24,465 --> 03:19:26,666
this room. We all look at voter data.

2690
03:19:26,666 --> 03:19:31,538
there is actually a study out of the mit election lab from I

2691
03:19:31,538 --> 03:19:35,738
think it was 2018. Pre-covid, which is relevant

2692
03:19:35,875 --> 03:19:39,146
to a lot of our election discussions, that showed that

2693
03:19:39,146 --> 03:19:45,146
when you add local elections to even-year larger state and

2694
03:19:47,286 --> 03:19:52,860
federal elections, the combined vote total is 5% more

2695
03:19:52,826 --> 03:19:55,962
than what you might expect if you just added the two

2696
03:19:55,962 --> 03:19:57,898
together. Because more people come out

2697
03:19:57,898 --> 03:20:01,501
to vote overall. I have seen as I walk through

2698
03:20:01,501 --> 03:20:05,238
the village with people who are running for local offices,

2699
03:20:05,238 --> 03:20:09,776
that voters are engaged in what they care about.

2700
03:20:09,776 --> 03:20:12,112
some voters really care about the president.

2701
03:20:12,112 --> 03:20:15,115
some voters really care about the corner store.

2702
03:20:15,115 --> 03:20:18,185
some voters really care about potholes.

2703
03:20:18,185 --> 03:20:20,720
some voters really care about sidewalks.

2704
03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:24,524
it is just what motivates you. What is really interesting for

2705
03:20:24,524 --> 03:20:27,794
me, as a political science major that just finds this

2706
03:20:27,794 --> 03:20:31,798
stuff interesting is the ability to educate those

2707
03:20:31,798 --> 03:20:35,202
voters about all of the things their government does and the

2708
03:20:35,202 --> 03:20:37,404
way they interact. Because when I get to walk

2709
03:20:37,404 --> 03:20:40,808
around with a village trustee, we get to talk about the fact

2710
03:20:40,808 --> 03:20:45,211
that there is an intersection between state and local

2711
03:20:45,211 --> 03:20:49,215
offices. The village of fair port has

2712
03:20:49,215 --> 03:20:53,421
amongst the highest voter turnout in every race we run,

2713
03:20:53,421 --> 03:20:56,490
even when we run in the odds, because they also have

2714
03:20:56,490 --> 03:20:59,226
odd-year elections. I think because they're more

2715
03:20:59,226 --> 03:21:01,561
informed voters. We're also for what it is

2716
03:21:01,561 --> 03:21:05,499
worth, one of the top census returning areas.

2717
03:21:05,499 --> 03:21:08,168
I think people like to have their opinion known in my

2718
03:21:08,168 --> 03:21:11,171
district. The impact I see on voter

2719
03:21:11,171 --> 03:21:14,774
engagement, on interest in issues, in turnout overall

2720
03:21:14,774 --> 03:21:18,511
says to me that when you combine these races, you are

2721
03:21:18,511 --> 03:21:23,311
going to create a more informed, engaged, electorate

2722
03:21:23,584 --> 03:21:25,520
that participates in government.

2723
03:21:25,520 --> 03:21:27,454
I don't think that that is a partisan issue.

2724
03:21:27,454 --> 03:21:31,858
I can tell you that the village of fair port having

2725
03:21:31,858 --> 03:21:34,995
even-year elections has been controlled by both parties on

2726
03:21:34,995 --> 03:21:37,864
and off through the years. You see it flip.

2727
03:21:37,864 --> 03:21:42,268
it is for me an overall good government in addition to

2728
03:21:42,268 --> 03:21:46,468
government efficiency issue to combine these races.

2729
03:21:46,940 --> 03:21:51,770
when we talked about this several years ago in relation

2730
03:21:51,770 --> 03:21:55,749
to moving the seats we have already moved, I raised some

2731
03:21:55,749 --> 03:21:58,170
concerns about including everyone at once.

2732
03:21:58,170 --> 03:22:00,822
because some of our villages are complicated.

2733
03:22:00,822 --> 03:22:03,556
I have villages that run in march.

2734
03:22:03,556 --> 03:22:09,763
I know I have villages that run a january primary for a

2735
03:22:09,763 --> 03:22:12,231
june election. But I will say there is

2736
03:22:12,231 --> 03:22:14,434
actually nothing in this constitutional amendment that

2737
03:22:14,434 --> 03:22:16,703
I am aware of that requires a date.

2738
03:22:16,703 --> 03:22:20,307
it just says what year. So if a local government

2739
03:22:20,307 --> 03:22:24,778
really felt like they needed to segregate themselves out to

2740
03:22:24,778 --> 03:22:28,480
highlight their candidates or highlight their race, they

2741
03:22:28,480 --> 03:22:35,550
could do so by their own town rules or own county rules.

2742
03:22:35,550 --> 03:22:38,725
I know there might be complicating factors in other

2743
03:22:38,725 --> 03:22:40,995
places, where there are three-year terms.

2744
03:22:40,995 --> 03:22:42,796
these were things we were considering.

2745
03:22:42,796 --> 03:22:44,798
which is why we were doing it piecemeal.

2746
03:22:44,798 --> 03:22:50,300
this is why we were taking our time and not doing it in one

2747
03:22:50,300 --> 03:22:52,205
fell swoop. What we have seen as we

2748
03:22:52,205 --> 03:22:55,875
transfer to two-year elections in the last cycle, more voter

2749
03:22:55,875 --> 03:22:58,278
game, exactly what we were looking for.

2750
03:22:58,278 --> 03:23:02,148
more people voting and caring. It is not taking focus away.

2751
03:23:02,148 --> 03:23:05,753
I can tell you, one of the hottest issues in races that

2752
03:23:05,753 --> 03:23:11,153
were happening around me in 24 were some local things.

2753
03:23:11,357 --> 03:23:14,694
things that had nothing to do, true introning issues in one

2754
03:23:14,694 --> 03:23:18,980
of our towns. Using a property for a

2755
03:23:18,980 --> 03:23:20,166
particular location. These were the things people

2756
03:23:20,166 --> 03:23:23,970
were talking about. The doors, the town of

2757
03:23:23,970 --> 03:23:29,420
penfield, no matter what I do every year they want to talk

2758
03:23:29,420 --> 03:23:32,779
to me about leaf pick up. I tell them I'm not the leaf

2759
03:23:32,779 --> 03:23:35,181
pick up lady. That's what they care about,

2760
03:23:35,181 --> 03:23:37,584
even though I am running for a state seat.

2761
03:23:37,584 --> 03:23:42,384
when I think about concerns around voter confusion.

2762
03:23:43,560 --> 03:23:46,860
I think this makes things less confusing.

2763
03:23:46,860 --> 03:23:50,329
I'm sure all of you have run into the same problem where

2764
03:23:50,329 --> 03:23:55,200
half of the job we do when we run for office is explaining

2765
03:23:55,200 --> 03:23:57,937
that the assembly exists, explaining that our job is a

2766
03:23:57,937 --> 03:24:03,543
thing we do. The aim ofmount of times I have

2767
03:24:03,543 --> 03:24:06,345
explain there is a difference government, the village and

2768
03:24:06,345 --> 03:24:08,548
town operate together, the city and state.

2769
03:24:08,548 --> 03:24:11,840
this will allow people to see all the races at once.

2770
03:24:11,840 --> 03:24:16,484
when we talk about concerns around falloff that people

2771
03:24:16,622 --> 03:24:19,920
won't get to the end of the ballot.

2772
03:24:19,920 --> 03:24:22,762
is that the falloff going to be more in a ballot line we

2773
03:24:22,762 --> 03:24:25,699
see year to year when people don't show up?

2774
03:24:25,699 --> 03:24:29,899
we're looking at on-year elections with 30% turnout.

2775
03:24:30,103 --> 03:24:34,441
27% in an odd year in monroe not to long ago.

2776
03:24:34,441 --> 03:24:39,247
that is abysmal. You will see more people turn

2777
03:24:39,247 --> 03:24:44,918
on the lines than turnout in odd very even years.

2778
03:24:44,918 --> 03:24:49,718
if engaging electorate. Combining elections into to as

2779
03:24:52,192 --> 03:24:53,927
few voting instances as possible is the best thing we

2780
03:24:53,927 --> 03:24:57,597
can do. I care primarily about making

2781
03:24:57,597 --> 03:24:59,666
sure the voters' voices are heard.

2782
03:24:59,666 --> 03:25:02,935
I think this gives us an opportunity to amplify that,

2783
03:25:02,935 --> 03:25:06,472
to ensure that our voters know about what all of their

2784
03:25:06,472 --> 03:25:11,872
elected offices do. About how they can be helped.

2785
03:25:11,945 --> 03:25:13,413
about how they can be impa

2786
03:25:13,413 --> 03:25:14,947
impactful. I will also tell you when I

2787
03:25:14,947 --> 03:25:17,683
walk around with village candidates, we find people

2788
03:25:17,683 --> 03:25:20,220
that want to be on boards. We have a tree board where

2789
03:25:20,220 --> 03:25:22,220
they talk about the trees in the town.

2790
03:25:22,220 --> 03:25:25,759
we got people ton the tree board existed and run for the

2791
03:25:25,759 --> 03:25:27,493
tree board and ask for an appointment.

2792
03:25:27,493 --> 03:25:31,297
this is how you engage people. Door knocking it one of my

2793
03:25:31,297 --> 03:25:34,700
favorite activities. When we get to talk to voters,

2794
03:25:34,700 --> 03:25:39,439
together as teams, people know more and they do better.

2795
03:25:39,439 --> 03:25:43,642
and our government works overall better for the people.

2796
03:25:43,642 --> 03:25:45,980
that's why I support this legislation.

2797
03:25:45,980 --> 03:25:50,450
and I look forward to voting in the affirmative when the

2798
03:25:50,450 --> 03:25:53,720
opportunity arises. Thank you very much.

2799
03:25:53,720 --> 03:25:56,523
>> speaker: thank you, m mr. Bologna.

2800
03:25:56,523 --> 03:25:58,793
>> thank you, madam speaker, will the sponsor yield.

2801
03:25:58,793 --> 03:26:01,793
>> will the sponsor yield. >> yes.

2802
03:26:02,595 --> 03:26:05,732
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> thank you, mr. Jacobson.

2803
03:26:05,732 --> 03:26:08,467
I want to talk about some of the stuff you were talking

2804
03:26:08,467 --> 03:26:13,140
about with my colleague. In terms of new york city

2805
03:26:13,140 --> 03:26:16,542
being difficult oferent. I want to hone in on the media

2806
03:26:16,542 --> 03:26:19,879
portion of that you said new york city is different because

2807
03:26:19,879 --> 03:26:22,214
the media is different. >> that is part of it?

2808
03:26:22,214 --> 03:26:24,684
>> part of it. You said elections are

2809
03:26:24,684 --> 03:26:28,555
focused, it is different because the coverage of local

2810
03:26:28,555 --> 03:26:31,491
issues matters. In new york city, is that --

2811
03:26:31,491 --> 03:26:35,691
>> I didn't quite say that. Go ahead.

2812
03:26:41,635 --> 03:26:47,350
>> is that an acknowledgment that an informed electorate is

2813
03:26:48,783 --> 03:26:51,453
an important thing we want an informed electorate?

2814
03:26:51,453 --> 03:26:54,856
>> yes. >> to that point, wouldn't you

2815
03:26:54,856 --> 03:26:58,259
agree that media helps informs that electorate item.

2816
03:26:58,259 --> 03:27:00,128
>> part of it, yes. >> part.

2817
03:27:00,128 --> 03:27:02,664
I want to talk about finances here.

2818
03:27:02,664 --> 03:27:06,801
and money. So in 2022 election cycle in

2819
03:27:06,801 --> 03:27:10,873
new york state alone, I think this is a difficult number to

2820
03:27:10,873 --> 03:27:13,809
abrogate, I had to do a lot of math.

2821
03:27:13,809 --> 03:27:18,147
it is well over a billion dollars that is in the

2822
03:27:18,147 --> 03:27:21,747
federal, gubernatorial races, state assembly races,

2823
03:27:22,283 --> 03:27:26,755
everything that was on the ballot in 2022 over a billion

2824
03:27:26,755 --> 03:27:29,240
dollars was spent throughout this state.

2825
03:27:29,240 --> 03:27:33,295
I guess the question is, if you are a local dog catcher,

2826
03:27:33,295 --> 03:27:36,164
running for office the first time, how are you supposed to

2827
03:27:36,164 --> 03:27:39,164
compete? We acknowledged that the

2828
03:27:40,502 --> 03:27:44,172
informed electorate matters. If you have candidates

2829
03:27:44,172 --> 03:27:48,444
flooding the boxes on the airwaves, if you are the local

2830
03:27:48,444 --> 03:27:52,314
dog catcher, and only have $5,000 to spend on a campaign,

2831
03:27:52,314 --> 03:27:54,849
how are you supposed to break through?

2832
03:27:54,849 --> 03:27:59,490
how is that helping inform the electorate?

2833
03:28:01,990 --> 03:28:04,859
>> well, that is not the purpose of the amendment is to

2834
03:28:04,859 --> 03:28:07,395
instruct people how to run a better campaign.

2835
03:28:07,395 --> 03:28:09,865
>> we're adding more people on to the ballot.

2836
03:28:09,865 --> 03:28:16,271
>> I'm sure you find your ways to break through a campaign.

2837
03:28:16,271 --> 03:28:23,780
if having it in an odd year was so good to get through to

2838
03:28:23,780 --> 03:28:27,415
voters, they would have the same type of turn yurt as we

2839
03:28:27,415 --> 03:28:30,686
do in even years. So that doesn't work.

2840
03:28:30,686 --> 03:28:33,489
>> I still -- >> this is the first amendment

2841
03:28:33,489 --> 03:28:36,158
issue. Mr. Jacobson, we're flooding

2842
03:28:36,158 --> 03:28:39,940
-- again, you acknowledged that the media market matters.

2843
03:28:39,940 --> 03:28:43,765
that the media that people are consuming, the way they

2844
03:28:43,765 --> 03:28:47,502
consume it matters. That is why new york city is

2845
03:28:47,502 --> 03:28:49,170
carved out because they're different.

2846
03:28:49,170 --> 03:28:52,174
the point is, how is someone that may not have the

2847
03:28:52,174 --> 03:28:54,909
resources supposed to compete with presidential, gunnia

2848
03:28:54,909 --> 03:28:57,309
torrial and congressional races?

2849
03:28:57,579 --> 03:29:00,916
look, some congressional races spend over $40 million.

2850
03:29:00,916 --> 03:29:04,186
how is someone on a local ballot supposed to compete

2851
03:29:04,186 --> 03:29:09,586
with that? We are adding even more to the

2852
03:29:11,259 --> 03:29:13,659
ballot. >> well, this constitutional

2853
03:29:18,400 --> 03:29:20,200
amendment is not to help people or help people figure

2854
03:29:20,200 --> 03:29:23,205
out their strategy. >> so we don't care --

2855
03:29:23,205 --> 03:29:26,274
>> let me finish. When people engage with voters

2856
03:29:26,274 --> 03:29:32,274
when they go door-to-door, when thai woey work with other

2857
03:29:33,348 --> 03:29:35,819
candidates, they can get their message across.

2858
03:29:35,819 --> 03:29:40,155
>> so we don't care about the informed electorate?

2859
03:29:40,155 --> 03:29:42,758
>> what? That is a false statement.

2860
03:29:42,758 --> 03:29:46,162
I said of course I care about. You wanted to know how people

2861
03:29:46,162 --> 03:29:49,980
can get their message across. >> got it.

2862
03:29:49,980 --> 03:29:54,969
>> I explained that to you. They can work with other

2863
03:29:54,969 --> 03:29:57,639
candidates. They can do different small

2864
03:29:57,639 --> 03:30:00,643
media on their own. They can do that.

2865
03:30:00,643 --> 03:30:04,447
>> they may not have the access to the media market

2866
03:30:04,447 --> 03:30:08,251
like new york city because new york city is different.

2867
03:30:08,251 --> 03:30:09,385
I want to clarify that. I heard you say throughout the

2868
03:30:09,385 --> 03:30:12,254
course of the debate, this is a cost savings measure,

2869
03:30:12,254 --> 03:30:14,254
correct? >> that consolidating

2870
03:30:19,728 --> 03:30:23,928
elections saves taxpayers money that is your

2871
03:30:24,800 --> 03:30:26,868
classification. >> it will save money for the

2872
03:30:26,868 --> 03:30:31,730
board of elections. >> the bill measure says none

2873
03:30:31,730 --> 03:30:33,141
under fiscal implications to the state.

2874
03:30:33,141 --> 03:30:39,741
I'm asking you directly on the record, what is the actual

2875
03:30:40,148 --> 03:30:45,548
dollar figure being saved? >> it depends on the county.

2876
03:31:07,375 --> 03:31:09,177
every county will be different.

2877
03:31:09,177 --> 03:31:11,246
>> no individual county analysis has been done on

2878
03:31:11,246 --> 03:31:13,248
this? >> every county will be

2879
03:31:13,248 --> 03:31:15,490
different. If they don't have to run an

2880
03:31:15,490 --> 03:31:18,490
election, they will save money.

2881
03:31:22,390 --> 03:31:25,927
>> I have one more question. One of the colleagues brought

2882
03:31:25,927 --> 03:31:28,529
up earlier that no good government groups have their

2883
03:31:28,529 --> 03:31:33,468
hair on fire about this. Can you tell me, when did the

2884
03:31:33,468 --> 03:31:35,470
most recent version of this bill, the c print come into

2885
03:31:35,470 --> 03:31:38,470
existence? >> that they didn't say

2886
03:31:38,539 --> 03:31:42,739
anything? >> when did the c version of

2887
03:31:42,744 --> 03:31:46,944
the bill I'm looking atto moy scr

2888
03:31:47,348 --> 03:31:50,886
-- at on my screen. >> when did that get printed.

2889
03:31:50,886 --> 03:31:53,288
>> it was from last year. >> when did the c version get

2890
03:31:53,288 --> 03:31:55,288
printed? >> recently.

2891
03:31:56,558 --> 03:32:00,758
>> 36 hours recently? Thank you very much m

2892
03:32:00,963 --> 03:32:04,900
mr. Jacobson. On the bill, madam speaker.

2893
03:32:04,900 --> 03:32:07,569
>> speaker: on the bill. >> I want to be direct with

2894
03:32:07,569 --> 03:32:12,840
what the bill does. The memo calls it a logical

2895
03:32:12,840 --> 03:32:14,576
step. I call it doubling down on a

2896
03:32:14,576 --> 03:32:21,316
policy that we have not had a single chance to look at, now

2897
03:32:21,316 --> 03:32:23,510
we're here, less than two full years and election cycles

2898
03:32:23,510 --> 03:32:25,530
later, the proposed constitutional amendment to

2899
03:32:25,530 --> 03:32:31,526
expand before we have seen one shred of data, one municipal

2900
03:32:31,526 --> 03:32:33,595
report, one board of elections analysis telling us it is

2901
03:32:33,595 --> 03:32:36,131
working. That is not governance, that

2902
03:32:36,131 --> 03:32:37,933
is assumption. When you are amending the

2903
03:32:37,933 --> 03:32:42,733
constitution of a state, assumptions are not good

2904
03:32:45,674 --> 03:32:48,544
enough, ladies and gentlemen. Let's talk about money.

2905
03:32:48,544 --> 03:32:50,412
that is the heart of the issue here.

2906
03:32:50,412 --> 03:32:53,615
the 2022 election cycle, over a billion dollars was spent on

2907
03:32:53,615 --> 03:32:57,815
campaigns. I will give you a census

2908
03:33:00,289 --> 03:33:04,226
scale, gubernatorial races cost tens of millions.

2909
03:33:04,226 --> 03:33:09,163
congressional races, add up state offices, you have number

2910
03:33:09,163 --> 03:33:12,634
approaches over a billion. Picture a candidate, town

2911
03:33:12,634 --> 03:33:17,639
council in sullivan county. Or surrogate court or local

2912
03:33:17,639 --> 03:33:23,390
sheriff running for the first time they're sharation ballot

2913
03:33:24,113 --> 03:33:27,115
of congressional candidates that will drown them out.

2914
03:33:27,115 --> 03:33:30,919
as I said earlier that is correct is not an informed

2915
03:33:30,919 --> 03:33:31,720
ele electorate.

2916
03:33:31,720 --> 03:33:34,923
how does that person compete and voice carry how does a

2917
03:33:34,923 --> 03:33:38,260
vote they're waded through federal races and two

2918
03:33:38,260 --> 03:33:41,196
statewide contests get to the bottom of the ballot with any

2919
03:33:41,196 --> 03:33:45,396
real acknowledgment of who the candidates are?

2920
03:33:48,403 --> 03:33:50,872
I want to talk about the cost saving measure.

2921
03:33:50,872 --> 03:33:54,142
I read the bill, no fiscal impact.

2922
03:33:54,142 --> 03:33:58,280
not a projection or county by county analysis or none.

2923
03:33:58,280 --> 03:34:01,816
the bill saves money in which case the sponsor is unable to

2924
03:34:01,816 --> 03:34:04,219
tell us what it is. Or the safe spaces are real,

2925
03:34:04,219 --> 03:34:10,219
but ... The sponsor has better than saying something false on

2926
03:34:10,892 --> 03:34:14,230
the floor or the savings are real and we can't produce what

2927
03:34:14,230 --> 03:34:18,430
it is, multiple times. Let's talk about

2928
03:34:18,834 --> 03:34:20,769
administrative savings. There is some at the county

2929
03:34:20,769 --> 03:34:23,305
board of elections. I still don't -- that number

2930
03:34:23,305 --> 03:34:26,508
is not being produced. That money if it exists

2931
03:34:26,508 --> 03:34:29,311
doesn't come back to the state, doesn't reduce the

2932
03:34:29,311 --> 03:34:34,711
property tax bill, lower a single health insurance prem

2933
03:34:34,783 --> 03:34:36,783
quem. That matters.

2934
03:34:36,918 --> 03:34:39,187
we passed a $268 billion budget.

2935
03:34:39,187 --> 03:34:42,924
at the closing hours of the session, the last 36 hours we

2936
03:34:42,924 --> 03:34:46,127
spent our time on congressional redistricting,

2937
03:34:46,127 --> 03:34:49,665
ballot engineering and now a constitutional amendment to

2938
03:34:49,665 --> 03:34:51,666
restructure the way people vote.

2939
03:34:51,666 --> 03:34:54,402
not whether they can vote or how to make their lives

2940
03:34:54,402 --> 03:34:56,672
better, just when they vote. In a way that happens to be

2941
03:34:56,672 --> 03:35:02,672
very convenient for one party. The word of the legislative

2942
03:35:08,884 --> 03:35:11,553
session is affordability. We cannot produce numbers on

2943
03:35:11,553 --> 03:35:14,689
how it making people's lives more affordable.

2944
03:35:14,689 --> 03:35:17,625
it does not lower energy costs.

2945
03:35:17,625 --> 03:35:22,363
we gave people a rebate check last week they will laugh.

2946
03:35:22,363 --> 03:35:26,563
we are taxing tobacco cessation products, driving

2947
03:35:27,835 --> 03:35:31,380
emerging businesses. >> speaker: mr. Bologna, I

2948
03:35:31,380 --> 03:35:32,241
need you to speak on this bill, please.

2949
03:35:32,241 --> 03:35:35,241
thank you. On the bill.

2950
03:35:39,247 --> 03:35:43,500
>> I'm getting there. I wanted to take a second to

2951
03:35:43,500 --> 03:35:49,650
talk about something personal. We spoke about a number of --

2952
03:35:51,259 --> 03:35:55,459
we had a number of election pill

2953
03:35:55,664 --> 03:35:58,467
bills come up, and constitutional amendments.

2954
03:35:58,467 --> 03:36:02,804
we had number of people reach out say the conversations are

2955
03:36:02,804 --> 03:36:05,807
heavy and feel serious. People heard in the past

2956
03:36:05,807 --> 03:36:08,677
couple days we talked about the fall of democracy in this

2957
03:36:08,677 --> 03:36:12,814
building in this room. I don't think that we're being

2958
03:36:12,814 --> 03:36:16,751
dramatic when we say that. I think they mean it.

2959
03:36:16,751 --> 03:36:19,420
here's what's sad to me. I will have a lot of practice

2960
03:36:19,420 --> 03:36:24,220
at these types of speeches in this chamber.

2961
03:36:25,260 --> 03:36:27,695
that is sad. Every time I look at this body

2962
03:36:27,695 --> 03:36:30,564
I really do believe that we should be making people's

2963
03:36:30,564 --> 03:36:35,364
lives tangibly better. But yet we're here talking

2964
03:36:35,637 --> 03:36:39,237
about the erosion of democratic norms.

2965
03:36:43,377 --> 03:36:45,980
I mentioned my kids on the floor of the assembly the

2966
03:36:45,980 --> 03:36:48,716
other day. I'm really excited, I will get

2967
03:36:48,716 --> 03:36:52,388
home to see them tonight, maybe early tomorrow morning.

2968
03:36:52,388 --> 03:36:56,588
but I'm leaving with a heavy heart.

2969
03:36:57,792 --> 03:37:01,596
because I can't look at them in the eye and tell them that

2970
03:37:01,596 --> 03:37:06,267
we've made much better this session or we've enhanced or

2971
03:37:06,267 --> 03:37:08,469
improves the democratic process or democracy in this

2972
03:37:08,469 --> 03:37:10,739
state this session. Actually it was quite the

2973
03:37:10,739 --> 03:37:12,474
opposite. I can't tell them that we made

2974
03:37:12,474 --> 03:37:15,100
it easier for them to start a business.

2975
03:37:15,100 --> 03:37:18,479
I can't tell them that we protected the integrity of

2976
03:37:18,479 --> 03:37:21,483
their local elections. But I can tell them that we

2977
03:37:21,483 --> 03:37:26,883
spent the final hours of the 2025-2026 legislative session

2978
03:37:27,355 --> 03:37:31,555
engineering the ballot to protect political power.

2979
03:37:37,365 --> 03:37:42,765
I can tell them the legislature that talks about

2980
03:37:43,771 --> 03:37:49,171
democracy in its closing days is making democracy smaller

2981
03:37:49,844 --> 03:37:51,646
and more convenient for those already in power.

2982
03:37:51,646 --> 03:37:56,446
my kids are growing up in this state.

2983
03:37:57,719 --> 03:38:01,560
so are yours. To be perfectly honest with

2984
03:38:01,560 --> 03:38:03,324
you, they deserve better than what we have produced in the

2985
03:38:03,324 --> 03:38:08,124
past 48 hours. So with that madam speaker, I

2986
03:38:10,640 --> 03:38:13,601
yield back my time. >> speaker: thank you.

2987
03:38:13,601 --> 03:38:17,201
ms. Peoples-stokes. >> thank you, madam speaker,

2988
03:38:22,877 --> 03:38:25,212
will the sponsor yield for questions.

2989
03:38:25,212 --> 03:38:28,212
>> speaker: will the sponsor yield?

2990
03:38:28,283 --> 03:38:30,683
>> yes. >> speaker: sponsor yields.

2991
03:38:30,951 --> 03:38:33,955
>> when you looked at the data across the state, you noticed

2992
03:38:33,955 --> 03:38:37,892
every time there was an election in an even year, the

2993
03:38:37,892 --> 03:38:40,695
exact same areas turned out more than in the year it was

2994
03:38:40,695 --> 03:38:43,950
not in? >> that's correct.

2995
03:38:44,966 --> 03:38:49,637
>> so the effort here is to try and get a more consistent

2996
03:38:49,637 --> 03:38:56,237
voter and a more efficient rate because if the board of

2997
03:38:56,778 --> 03:39:00,114
elections is putting out these machines, every year getting

2998
03:39:00,114 --> 03:39:05,186
to have a lower turnout is more cost effective to have it

2999
03:39:05,186 --> 03:39:07,388
in 8. So they had more people and

3000
03:39:07,388 --> 03:39:10,992
only put the machines out one time instead of twice in two

3001
03:39:10,992 --> 03:39:11,926
years. >> that's correct.

3002
03:39:11,926 --> 03:39:16,798
>> so I think there is real clarity around where the cost

3003
03:39:16,798 --> 03:39:20,680
savings can come from. I think I heard a lot of

3004
03:39:20,680 --> 03:39:23,337
debate here today that talked a lot about the commonality of

3005
03:39:23,337 --> 03:39:30,110
the candidates as they go out to seek the vote from the

3006
03:39:30,110 --> 03:39:33,748
electorate. I think that saves a lot of

3007
03:39:33,748 --> 03:39:36,151
resources as well. We all have to spend money on

3008
03:39:36,151 --> 03:39:38,820
the campaign. If we're working with somebody

3009
03:39:38,820 --> 03:39:43,200
at another level (indiscernible) if I'm working

3010
03:39:43,425 --> 03:39:46,761
with someone running for a different office and we have

3011
03:39:46,761 --> 03:39:49,364
the same ideals for the constituency, look at the

3012
03:39:49,364 --> 03:39:53,901
value that adds at the door for the constituent to have

3013
03:39:53,901 --> 03:39:55,436
two elected officials for different offices coming in to

3014
03:39:55,436 --> 03:39:58,640
speak to them directly. Coming to sit down and have a

3015
03:39:58,640 --> 03:40:02,177
glass of lemonade with them, see how their family is doing

3016
03:40:02,177 --> 03:40:05,380
and things are going. That is a positive way to get

3017
03:40:05,380 --> 03:40:09,517
the voter reengaged and reenergized about being

3018
03:40:09,517 --> 03:40:10,852
engaged. I want to thank you for

3019
03:40:10,852 --> 03:40:13,455
putting this forward. The other thing I will say, I

3020
03:40:13,455 --> 03:40:18,460
do have some data, some staff that is pretty quick in

3021
03:40:18,460 --> 03:40:23,260
putting this together. In 2022, the number of people

3022
03:40:25,466 --> 03:40:30,266
who turned up in the gubernatorial race was 63,000.

3023
03:40:31,606 --> 03:40:36,744
this was inneery county. The county executive ran in 23

3024
03:40:36,744 --> 03:40:40,815
and only got 34,000 people to turn out for him.

3025
03:40:40,815 --> 03:40:44,415
in 24, the presidential election, same county, 94,000

3026
03:40:44,686 --> 03:40:47,880
people turned out. I mean, it is clear that you

3027
03:40:47,880 --> 03:40:49,624
have found the data and it is right.

3028
03:40:49,624 --> 03:40:54,562
and sometimes it is hard to understand that dealing with

3029
03:40:54,562 --> 03:40:57,631
efficiency is not always about looking for fraud.

3030
03:40:57,631 --> 03:41:00,635
there is nothing fraudulently about having an election every

3031
03:41:00,635 --> 03:41:04,835
year. There is covst savings in not

3032
03:41:07,641 --> 03:41:11,246
having an election every year. This is something folks should

3033
03:41:11,246 --> 03:41:13,915
consider, not for an opportunity to oppose because

3034
03:41:13,915 --> 03:41:16,183
it wasn't your idea. It is an opportunity to figure

3035
03:41:16,183 --> 03:41:20,789
out how do we grin to engage the voter more as well as

3036
03:41:20,789 --> 03:41:27,610
bring down the cost of running our board of elections, which

3037
03:41:27,610 --> 03:41:29,630
is pricey. And actually bring down the

3038
03:41:29,630 --> 03:41:29,798
cost of government while doing so.

3039
03:41:29,798 --> 03:41:36,398
so ... I'm with you sir, thank you for the legislation, I

3040
03:41:38,206 --> 03:41:42,760
trust things will go well as the vote goes up.

3041
03:41:42,760 --> 03:41:45,760
>> thank you, madam. >> thank you.

3042
03:41:46,480 --> 03:41:50,800
mr. Tannousis. >> will the sponsor yield?

3043
03:41:50,618 --> 03:41:53,618
>> speaker: will the sponsor yield?

3044
03:41:54,288 --> 03:41:56,424
>> yes. >> speaker: sponsor will

3045
03:41:56,424 --> 03:42:00,240
yield. >> I won't bewilder the point,

3046
03:42:00,940 --> 03:42:01,830
I wanted to ask some questions.

3047
03:42:01,830 --> 03:42:06,100
I noticed during the debate today you were asked about the

3048
03:42:06,100 --> 03:42:08,902
gap years that could potentially occur when there

3049
03:42:08,902 --> 03:42:14,509
is an election, for example, this year, and should this

3050
03:42:14,509 --> 03:42:19,446
pass, going forward, it is implemented, that there will

3051
03:42:19,446 --> 03:42:23,510
be a gap of time between the end of that term, for example,

3052
03:42:23,510 --> 03:42:25,653
and when they will run again in some races.

3053
03:42:25,653 --> 03:42:30,258
is that correct? Is that a fair assessment?

3054
03:42:30,258 --> 03:42:35,580
>> yeah, if necessary to implement the amendment, we'll

3055
03:42:36,997 --> 03:42:37,732
pass legislation. >> okay.

3056
03:42:37,732 --> 03:42:43,732
what is the proposal -- you mentioned before that the

3057
03:42:44,500 --> 03:42:47,608
governor would pick -- it would be a vacancy that the

3058
03:42:47,608 --> 03:42:48,476
governor would pick -- I'm sorry.

3059
03:42:48,476 --> 03:42:52,213
let me rephrase that. You mentioned earlier --

3060
03:42:52,213 --> 03:42:57,352
correct me if I'm wrong -- that there are situations in

3061
03:42:57,352 --> 03:42:59,553
those situations, the governor potentially would pick

3062
03:42:59,553 --> 03:43:05,626
someone, for example, in the das to serve as the da of the

3063
03:43:05,626 --> 03:43:07,912
county until the even year came up.

3064
03:43:07,912 --> 03:43:10,382
>> that is what it is now. >> that is what it is now if

3065
03:43:10,382 --> 03:43:14,520
there is a death. What will it be in this

3066
03:43:14,520 --> 03:43:19,920
situation if somebody were, for example, up this year

3067
03:43:19,991 --> 03:43:22,994
would win or next year, rather, not this year.

3068
03:43:22,994 --> 03:43:24,729
next year because it is an odd year.

3069
03:43:24,729 --> 03:43:28,467
and there was a gap, for example, of a year.

3070
03:43:28,467 --> 03:43:32,670
what would happen in that situation?

3071
03:43:38,944 --> 03:43:42,800
>> the person elected in the odd year would serve their

3072
03:43:42,800 --> 03:43:44,483
full term. At the end of the term, there

3073
03:43:44,483 --> 03:43:49,221
would be a vacancy and there could be an appointment.

3074
03:43:49,221 --> 03:43:51,220
>> okay. So there could be an

3075
03:43:51,220 --> 03:43:53,692
appointment by the governor of the state, correct?

3076
03:43:53,692 --> 03:43:56,692
>> correct. Whoever that might be.

3077
03:43:57,695 --> 03:44:00,300
>> whoever that might be, and that is up to the governor,

3078
03:44:00,300 --> 03:44:02,700
correct? >> say it again?

3079
03:44:03,368 --> 03:44:06,505
>> that would be up to the governor who she chooses to

3080
03:44:06,505 --> 03:44:11,376
appoint for that position? >> upon the advice and consent

3081
03:44:11,376 --> 03:44:15,380
of the senate. >> with the advice and consent

3082
03:44:15,380 --> 03:44:16,781
of the senate. >> okay.

3083
03:44:16,781 --> 03:44:19,384
that leads me to another question.

3084
03:44:19,384 --> 03:44:22,854
let's say there is another race next year between two

3085
03:44:22,854 --> 03:44:23,856
candidates. One of the candidates is

3086
03:44:23,856 --> 03:44:28,394
supported by the governor. And that candidate loses.

3087
03:44:28,394 --> 03:44:32,130
and we go through the full four-year term and that

3088
03:44:32,130 --> 03:44:36,135
candidate that was supported by the governor wants to run

3089
03:44:36,135 --> 03:44:38,737
again. Nothing stops the governor

3090
03:44:38,737 --> 03:44:42,342
from appointing the candidate that she supports for that one

3091
03:44:42,342 --> 03:44:45,942
year to get head start, correct?

3092
03:44:46,679 --> 03:44:51,160
>> there is nothing in the statute that restricts who the

3093
03:44:51,160 --> 03:44:56,354
governor could appoint or is subject to the advice and

3094
03:44:56,354 --> 03:45:00,292
consent of the senate. >> so the scenario I just gave

3095
03:45:00,292 --> 03:45:02,761
you is a possibility then, correct?

3096
03:45:02,761 --> 03:45:04,830
>> yes, they lot of possibilities.

3097
03:45:04,830 --> 03:45:09,167
but now we're getting into all kinds of what-if's, but go

3098
03:45:09,167 --> 03:45:11,303
ahead. >> about getting into

3099
03:45:11,303 --> 03:45:14,373
what-if's because I don't think this bill accounted for

3100
03:45:14,373 --> 03:45:15,640
certain things. I want to ask you another

3101
03:45:15,640 --> 03:45:19,840
question. Is there anything in this bill

3102
03:45:27,652 --> 03:45:29,655
that would prevent an I individual that is appointed

3103
03:45:29,655 --> 03:45:32,560
to that position from actually running for that position?

3104
03:45:32,560 --> 03:45:35,656
>> no. >> so the person appointed can

3105
03:45:35,994 --> 03:45:39,464
run for that position when the position is up?

3106
03:45:39,464 --> 03:45:42,468
>> like we do now. When there is a vacancy on the

3107
03:45:42,468 --> 03:45:45,537
town board, somebody is appointed they can run.

3108
03:45:45,537 --> 03:45:47,272
same thing. >> I want to be clear.

3109
03:45:47,272 --> 03:45:53,272
I know I mentioned district attorney offices, but you are

3110
03:45:54,279 --> 03:45:58,216
suggesting the mayor's offices as well, the governor can

3111
03:45:58,216 --> 03:46:02,220
appoint the position of a mayor of town or city?

3112
03:46:02,220 --> 03:46:04,823
>> you mean a mayor in a city, upstate city you are talking

3113
03:46:04,823 --> 03:46:06,823
about? >> correct.

3114
03:46:07,260 --> 03:46:10,162
>> the appointment would be made according to the charter

3115
03:46:10,162 --> 03:46:12,562
of the city. >> okay.

3116
03:46:13,765 --> 03:46:17,168
>> however the city does it, usually by the remaining

3117
03:46:17,168 --> 03:46:21,907
members of the council, but however it is done, that

3118
03:46:21,907 --> 03:46:23,241
doesn't change. >> okay.

3119
03:46:23,241 --> 03:46:26,377
so the appointments by the governor then, according to

3120
03:46:26,377 --> 03:46:30,490
what you are saying is for judicial posts and district

3121
03:46:30,490 --> 03:46:33,649
attorney offices? >> yes, for the state

3122
03:46:34,586 --> 03:46:36,722
constitutional offices, as it is now.

3123
03:46:36,722 --> 03:46:39,722
>> got it. >> the supreme court.

3124
03:46:40,580 --> 03:46:43,658
family court. The judges and sheriff.

3125
03:46:47,266 --> 03:46:49,100
da. >> okay.

3126
03:46:49,100 --> 03:46:50,869
thank you very much. On the bill, madam speaker.

3127
03:46:50,869 --> 03:46:54,469
>> speaker: on the bill. >> thank you.

3128
03:46:54,539 --> 03:47:02,214
this I guess is one more part of the power grab we saw start

3129
03:47:02,214 --> 03:47:08,214
the other day. And the part to me that is

3130
03:47:09,355 --> 03:47:12,891
most appalling, besides the fact that obviously we're

3131
03:47:12,891 --> 03:47:17,563
trying to change the order that we have these elections

3132
03:47:17,563 --> 03:47:21,433
is the fact that this bill apparently gives the governor

3133
03:47:21,433 --> 03:47:27,973
the ability to fill posts maybe for a year, for a

3134
03:47:27,973 --> 03:47:33,973
certain amount of time, until whoever was dually elected to

3135
03:47:38,316 --> 03:47:41,586
that position is done. They were elected, because

3136
03:47:41,586 --> 03:47:44,123
they were elected in an outside year, so there will be

3137
03:47:44,123 --> 03:47:47,726
a gap of at least a year where the governor will appoint

3138
03:47:47,726 --> 03:47:52,130
someone to that position until fair elections can happen

3139
03:47:52,130 --> 03:47:53,265
again. I foresee a potential here for

3140
03:47:53,265 --> 03:47:57,269
an issue where the governor may actually appoint her

3141
03:47:57,269 --> 03:48:01,139
allies to certain positions, perhaps even people that may

3142
03:48:01,139 --> 03:48:03,341
have lost that election to begin with.

3143
03:48:03,341 --> 03:48:06,812
and now they're going to serve those positions, not because

3144
03:48:06,812 --> 03:48:11,216
someone passed away or there was some kind of circumstance

3145
03:48:11,216 --> 03:48:14,686
where it necessitated an appointment by the governor.

3146
03:48:14,686 --> 03:48:18,556
but because of a bill that our house and the senate has

3147
03:48:18,556 --> 03:48:23,361
passed which gave the governor that ability to fill that

3148
03:48:23,361 --> 03:48:26,164
vacancy for a year. And maybe potentially even

3149
03:48:26,164 --> 03:48:29,367
give that potential losing opponent head start by being

3150
03:48:29,367 --> 03:48:35,967
in that office for that year. I know we had conversations

3151
03:48:41,312 --> 03:48:45,500
about government groups. Asked what government groups

3152
03:48:45,500 --> 03:48:49,988
he was contacted by. He said he wasn't contacted by

3153
03:48:49,988 --> 03:48:53,392
any. He took that as support.

3154
03:48:53,392 --> 03:48:58,330
as a ranking member, the first time I saw the bill was

3155
03:48:58,330 --> 03:48:59,398
yesterday. I doubt any good government

3156
03:48:59,398 --> 03:49:03,602
groups know this bill exists and may be finding about it

3157
03:49:03,602 --> 03:49:05,937
now. Madam speaker, I am adamantly

3158
03:49:05,937 --> 03:49:07,873
opposed to this bill. I encourage all of my

3159
03:49:07,873 --> 03:49:10,542
colleagues to vote no as well. Thank you so much.

3160
03:49:10,542 --> 03:49:12,770
>> speaker: thank you, mr. Tate.

3161
03:49:12,770 --> 03:49:15,280
>> thank you, madam speaker, would the sponsor yield,

3162
03:49:15,280 --> 03:49:16,140
please. >> speaker: will the sponsor

3163
03:49:16,140 --> 03:49:18,140
yield? >> yes.

3164
03:49:18,683 --> 03:49:22,487
>> speaker: sponsor yields. >> probably my last time

3165
03:49:22,487 --> 03:49:26,491
debating a bill here in this chamber, mr. Jacobson.

3166
03:49:26,491 --> 03:49:29,895
you and I have always gotten along quite well.

3167
03:49:29,895 --> 03:49:33,310
I am glad it is you and I for the last time.

3168
03:49:33,310 --> 03:49:36,701
a few brief questions. First of all, why are we

3169
03:49:36,701 --> 03:49:40,373
changing the law that is already in place?

3170
03:49:40,373 --> 03:49:46,973
what is the big problem with how we do it now?

3171
03:49:46,978 --> 03:49:51,983
>> well, what we're doing is putting those positions that

3172
03:49:51,983 --> 03:49:56,254
being not have been transferred by statute to even

3173
03:49:56,254 --> 03:49:59,257
years, we're putting them in even years.

3174
03:49:59,257 --> 03:50:02,394
and that is why we're doing that.

3175
03:50:02,394 --> 03:50:06,865
so they'll allob the ballot at the same time, less confusion,

3176
03:50:06,865 --> 03:50:10,935
less chance of a town judge being the only candidate.

3177
03:50:10,935 --> 03:50:15,673
and so forth. >> well, one other issue I

3178
03:50:15,673 --> 03:50:20,545
have with this, maybe you can explain it, maybe you cannot.

3179
03:50:20,545 --> 03:50:26,284
but why did the majority put a date for an electoral vote on

3180
03:50:26,284 --> 03:50:32,223
an even year for the era even though we passed the

3181
03:50:32,223 --> 03:50:36,294
legislation for the second time in 2023 but it didn't

3182
03:50:36,294 --> 03:50:39,294
come up until the 2024 election?

3183
03:50:43,769 --> 03:50:45,970
>> on what, I'm sorry. I don't understand your

3184
03:50:45,970 --> 03:50:47,973
question. >> I'm wondering why when we

3185
03:50:47,973 --> 03:50:50,908
passed this bill, okay, we turn around and pass it again

3186
03:50:50,908 --> 03:50:55,581
next year, how come it will be on the ballot in 2027 when we

3187
03:50:55,581 --> 03:50:59,585
know turnout will be low? We're talking about moving

3188
03:50:59,585 --> 03:51:03,454
elections to even years, but we'll vote on this

3189
03:51:03,454 --> 03:51:07,590
constitutional amendment on an odd year, but I want to know

3190
03:51:07,590 --> 03:51:13,932
why the era we passed it in 2023 and wasn't on the ballot

3191
03:51:13,932 --> 03:51:17,269
until 2024? Listen, we're big folks here.

3192
03:51:17,269 --> 03:51:23,269
we know the reason why. Because we knew turnout would

3193
03:51:25,770 --> 03:51:28,613
be high in a presidential election for the majority

3194
03:51:28,613 --> 03:51:29,548
party. For me, that is wrong.

3195
03:51:29,548 --> 03:51:35,548
that is absolutely wrong. Do you have a different answer

3196
03:51:38,890 --> 03:51:42,490
than how I answered the question.

3197
03:51:42,827 --> 03:51:45,831
>> my only answer is I don't know what year we're going to

3198
03:51:45,831 --> 03:51:48,966
put it on the ballot. I know if we put it later than

3199
03:51:48,966 --> 03:51:53,766
sooner, it would stall the implementation of this.

3200
03:51:58,420 --> 03:52:00,450
but that's ray da decision that above my pay grade.

3201
03:52:00,450 --> 03:52:02,580
>> well, this is what I am trying to talk about.

3202
03:52:02,580 --> 03:52:08,580
when you have something that will be the constitution of

3203
03:52:11,256 --> 03:52:14,793
the state of new york. Don't we want all the voters

3204
03:52:14,793 --> 03:52:19,865
to know what is in it. When you buy a tractor or new

3205
03:52:19,865 --> 03:52:24,336
car, they give you an operator's manual, right?

3206
03:52:24,336 --> 03:52:26,736
>> go ahead. >> I'm sorry.

3207
03:52:27,406 --> 03:52:32,544
I didn't hear you. >> I'm sorry, I asked you it

3208
03:52:32,544 --> 03:52:36,481
is no different than buying a car or tractor, you get an

3209
03:52:36,481 --> 03:52:39,481
owner's manual from the dlo

3210
03:52:40,618 --> 03:52:42,354
dealership. It tells you the oil to use

3211
03:52:42,354 --> 03:52:45,490
and tells you the filter to use.

3212
03:52:45,490 --> 03:52:49,930
how many times you have to change it and how to do it.

3213
03:52:49,930 --> 03:52:52,297
but that is not what we're doing here.

3214
03:52:52,297 --> 03:52:54,310
this is not what we're doing here.

3215
03:52:54,310 --> 03:52:59,431
this is supposed to be part of the constitution.

3216
03:53:00,772 --> 03:53:03,708
so let me ask you another question, is there anything in

3217
03:53:03,708 --> 03:53:10,908
this bill that has anything to do with the size of ballots?

3218
03:53:14,518 --> 03:53:19,257
or how many ballots to use? You take some of the areas,

3219
03:53:19,257 --> 03:53:21,794
might have 30, 40 candidates per party.

3220
03:53:21,794 --> 03:53:25,994
>> the answer to the question is no.

3221
03:53:27,865 --> 03:53:31,736
if next year or year after we think there is a need to pass

3222
03:53:31,736 --> 03:53:35,600
a statute after consultation with the local and state board

3223
03:53:35,600 --> 03:53:42,206
of elections, then we will. >> what if we have to go out

3224
03:53:47,285 --> 03:53:50,623
and change voting machines across the state because the

3225
03:53:50,623 --> 03:53:54,223
ballots we use now doesn't work?

3226
03:53:58,829 --> 03:54:02,166
there is a lot of thought that needs to go into something

3227
03:54:02,166 --> 03:54:05,360
when you make a constitutional amendment, is that right?

3228
03:54:05,360 --> 03:54:08,506
>> I think that the savings will outweigh any cost of

3229
03:54:08,506 --> 03:54:12,644
implementing this. >> and what are we going to do

3230
03:54:12,644 --> 03:54:17,249
with our boards of elections? You know, I don't know about

3231
03:54:17,249 --> 03:54:20,651
anybody else, but I went when the board of elections meets

3232
03:54:20,651 --> 03:54:25,123
here in albany and have their annual meeting.

3233
03:54:25,123 --> 03:54:28,126
I was their speaker a couple of weeks ago.

3234
03:54:28,126 --> 03:54:32,926
I ask questions. Instead of giving them a

3235
03:54:35,132 --> 03:54:37,735
rera ra ra, I asked them what we could

3236
03:54:37,735 --> 03:54:40,204
do to make their jobs better and more efficient.

3237
03:54:40,204 --> 03:54:43,808
a lot of them, on both sides of the aisle were not in favor

3238
03:54:43,808 --> 03:54:47,678
of moving elections all to one time.

3239
03:54:47,678 --> 03:54:51,820
they're having a tough time now finding poll watchers.

3240
03:54:51,820 --> 03:54:55,153
having a tough time to have people to even work in the

3241
03:54:55,153 --> 03:54:58,823
boards of elections. So now we're going to make

3242
03:54:58,823 --> 03:55:04,823
their work harder and then what is throwing primaries and

3243
03:55:10,168 --> 03:55:11,904
school board locations. I don't understand why we have

3244
03:55:11,904 --> 03:55:13,571
to touch something. I do understand.

3245
03:55:13,571 --> 03:55:14,839
it is about having control and power.

3246
03:55:14,839 --> 03:55:19,639
it is upsetting. One other question that I

3247
03:55:26,851 --> 03:55:29,720
wanted to ask. Two of my colleagues, you had

3248
03:55:29,720 --> 03:55:33,124
answered that there was no good government groups that

3249
03:55:33,124 --> 03:55:37,996
came out in opposition or in favor of this bill.

3250
03:55:37,996 --> 03:55:40,397
and I want to go one step further.

3251
03:55:40,397 --> 03:55:43,335
why did we not have this discussion or take this bill

3252
03:55:43,335 --> 03:55:48,135
up in election law committee? >> I don't know.

3253
03:55:54,345 --> 03:55:58,216
I don't decide the calendar. If I did, I would be voting on

3254
03:55:58,216 --> 03:56:01,886
more of my bills, this year. >> well, mr. Jacobson, between

3255
03:56:01,886 --> 03:56:04,955
you and I, that is why I get frustrated.

3256
03:56:04,955 --> 03:56:08,226
I have sat on the election law committee since the day I got

3257
03:56:08,226 --> 03:56:10,695
in this assembly. I might not agree with every

3258
03:56:10,695 --> 03:56:13,765
piece of legislation brought up in the committee, but I can

3259
03:56:13,765 --> 03:56:16,968
tell you there is discussion, especially when mr. Lavine was

3260
03:56:16,968 --> 03:56:22,390
the chairman, there were discussions brought up in that

3261
03:56:22,390 --> 03:56:25,430
body that sometimes amendments were made before the bills

3262
03:56:25,430 --> 03:56:27,846
came to the floor to make them better and more efficient.

3263
03:56:27,846 --> 03:56:31,248
I think we do a big disservice to the people of the state of

3264
03:56:31,248 --> 03:56:34,519
new york when we bypass committees, because in most of

3265
03:56:34,519 --> 03:56:36,788
the committees, sir, we have people that are actually

3266
03:56:36,788 --> 03:56:40,388
professionals or know what they're doing.

3267
03:56:42,726 --> 03:56:46,326
take republican-democrat politics out of it.

3268
03:56:47,650 --> 03:56:50,268
it is troubling to me as a taxpayer and new york state

3269
03:56:50,268 --> 03:56:53,271
resident, I want fair and honest elections, whether I'm

3270
03:56:53,271 --> 03:56:59,744
on the winning or losing team. It is my right to go vote.

3271
03:56:59,744 --> 03:57:03,280
and when it seems like things are shrouded one way or the

3272
03:57:03,280 --> 03:57:05,417
other, I think that is a serious problem.

3273
03:57:05,417 --> 03:57:08,820
madam speaker on the bill. >> on the bill.

3274
03:57:08,820 --> 03:57:12,423
>> you know, like I said, it is -- this is probably my last

3275
03:57:12,423 --> 03:57:17,223
time to stand up and debate a bill.

3276
03:57:18,429 --> 03:57:23,300
and the problem is nothing has changed around here.

3277
03:57:23,300 --> 03:57:27,505
it is very, very disappointing that we don't follow the rules

3278
03:57:27,505 --> 03:57:31,509
or follow the way, you know, we talk about democracy.

3279
03:57:31,509 --> 03:57:35,447
well, democracy would have been bringing this amendment

3280
03:57:35,447 --> 03:57:40,117
up or this bill up in the actual committee.

3281
03:57:40,117 --> 03:57:42,386
that's what we're all tasked to do.

3282
03:57:42,386 --> 03:57:44,122
we come here, we go to session.

3283
03:57:44,122 --> 03:57:47,525
and on certain days of the week, we go to committees.

3284
03:57:47,525 --> 03:57:51,329
and I can tell you that not just election law committee,

3285
03:57:51,329 --> 03:57:55,533
all the committees that I have sat on.

3286
03:57:55,533 --> 03:57:58,300
there is times where discussion is brought up

3287
03:57:58,300 --> 03:58:01,338
during the committee and amendments have made --

3288
03:58:01,338 --> 03:58:03,874
amendments have been made to the bills prior to them

3289
03:58:03,874 --> 03:58:06,811
getting to the floor. It's not going to happen here.

3290
03:58:06,811 --> 03:58:11,216
we will rush this. We're going to stuff it down

3291
03:58:11,216 --> 03:58:14,418
the throat of the people, like we always do.

3292
03:58:14,418 --> 03:58:17,488
and it has nothing to really do with the best interest of

3293
03:58:17,488 --> 03:58:20,425
the people. It has to do with the best

3294
03:58:20,425 --> 03:58:23,294
interest of one political party.

3295
03:58:23,294 --> 03:58:27,365
that already controls the governor's mansion, the

3296
03:58:27,365 --> 03:58:30,901
judicial branch, and both houses in the legislature.

3297
03:58:30,901 --> 03:58:36,400
I mean ... It's laughable. It is laughable that people

3298
03:58:36,400 --> 03:58:42,400
don't get it. I was hoping that we would be

3299
03:58:43,314 --> 03:58:47,718
fair and honest. That's why I came here.

3300
03:58:47,718 --> 03:58:50,389
I came here to be fair and honest and represent the best

3301
03:58:50,389 --> 03:58:53,391
I could for the people and my district.

3302
03:58:53,391 --> 03:58:58,662
and I have tried my hardest to always have the best interest

3303
03:58:58,662 --> 03:59:03,601
of the majority of the people in my district.

3304
03:59:03,601 --> 03:59:06,670
they're going to be angry about this, even some

3305
03:59:06,670 --> 03:59:11,476
democrats, some of them have voted against legislation like

3306
03:59:11,476 --> 03:59:15,946
this as far back as 2014. We do everything in the heat

3307
03:59:15,946 --> 03:59:18,683
or the dark of night and nobody else knows what is

3308
03:59:18,683 --> 03:59:21,180
going on. I didn't know about this bill

3309
03:59:21,180 --> 03:59:23,220
until yesterday. Didn't know about it at all.

3310
03:59:23,220 --> 03:59:27,157
didn't really have that much time to prepare even what I

3311
03:59:27,157 --> 03:59:28,965
was going to talk about. There is probably other stuff

3312
03:59:28,965 --> 03:59:32,168
in this bill I haven't had an opportunity to look at or see

3313
03:59:32,168 --> 03:59:34,771
that I can bring up in this debate.

3314
03:59:34,771 --> 03:59:41,511
but I I didn't have the time. Being as I didn't get home

3315
03:59:41,511 --> 03:59:45,181
until 3:15 this morning and had to be back here at 9:00.

3316
03:59:45,181 --> 03:59:48,510
I hope we find a different way of doing business and find a

3317
03:59:48,510 --> 03:59:50,921
different way of doing things for the people of new york.

3318
03:59:50,921 --> 03:59:53,390
madam speaker, I will be voting no on this.

3319
03:59:53,390 --> 03:59:57,590
and I hope that my colleagues that have common sense and

3320
03:59:57,590 --> 04:00:00,196
really care about democracy and care about people no

3321
04:00:00,196 --> 04:00:03,200
matter what party affiliation will do the same.

3322
04:00:03,200 --> 04:00:07,404
god bless you and thank you. >> speaker: thank you.

3323
04:00:07,404 --> 04:00:11,400
mr. Gandolfo. >> will the sponsor yield.

3324
04:00:17,682 --> 04:00:20,417
>> speaker: will the sponsor yield?

3325
04:00:20,417 --> 04:00:22,685
>> yes. >> speaker: sponsor yields.

3326
04:00:22,685 --> 04:00:26,956
>> listening to the debate, it sounds like we're moving this

3327
04:00:26,956 --> 04:00:29,694
forward for cost savings and voter turnout.

3328
04:00:29,694 --> 04:00:31,429
>> correct. >> okay.

3329
04:00:31,429 --> 04:00:35,498
what is the estimated cost savings that the state will

3330
04:00:35,498 --> 04:00:38,350
see and local board of elections might see?

3331
04:00:38,350 --> 04:00:40,570
>> I don't have figures throughout the whole state.

3332
04:00:40,570 --> 04:00:45,108
I can tell you I checked with one commissioner in duchess

3333
04:00:45,108 --> 04:00:47,508
county. Which has about 300,000

3334
04:00:48,311 --> 04:00:50,311
population, 169 election districts.

3335
04:00:50,446 --> 04:00:57,460
and she told me it is about $450,000, that is what it

3336
04:00:57,454 --> 04:00:59,456
costs them to put on an election.

3337
04:00:59,456 --> 04:01:01,856
>> $450,000? That's why we're advancing

3338
04:01:03,794 --> 04:01:06,329
this? So as we discussed, new york

3339
04:01:06,329 --> 04:01:08,731
city is not included in this constitutional amendment

3340
04:01:08,731 --> 04:01:11,134
because they're different. But given the whole discussion

3341
04:01:11,134 --> 04:01:13,937
around the budget, the financial situation of new

3342
04:01:13,937 --> 04:01:17,741
york city, why wouldn't we include them to save them some

3343
04:01:17,741 --> 04:01:21,277
money and help with their dire financial situation?

3344
04:01:21,277 --> 04:01:25,148
>> that might be something to consider in the future, but it

3345
04:01:25,148 --> 04:01:29,486
is not part of this amendment. >> if the purpose is cost

3346
04:01:29,486 --> 04:01:36,860
savings and we have to send money and do financial high

3347
04:01:37,693 --> 04:01:42,899
jinks for new york city shouldn't we include them.

3348
04:01:42,899 --> 04:01:45,368
>> I don't know if you would have voted for it.

3349
04:01:45,368 --> 04:01:49,568
>> maybe I would have. I don't know.

3350
04:01:50,773 --> 04:01:52,242
on the voter turnout side, in even years, I happened to look

3351
04:01:52,242 --> 04:01:56,646
it up. Voter turnout is higher in new

3352
04:01:56,646 --> 04:01:58,649
york city. So why wouldn't we want to

3353
04:01:58,649 --> 04:02:02,318
move all of new york city's elections as well, like we do

3354
04:02:02,318 --> 04:02:05,588
for the rest of the state to even years to increase their

3355
04:02:05,588 --> 04:02:09,788
voter turnout? >> new york city is unique,

3356
04:02:11,600 --> 04:02:14,398
but it is something we can consider in the future.

3357
04:02:14,398 --> 04:02:18,335
>> are they unique in regard to voter turnout?

3358
04:02:18,335 --> 04:02:23,139
it seems like the voter turnout trends in even and

3359
04:02:23,139 --> 04:02:26,209
outside years track similar to pretty much the rest of the

3360
04:02:26,209 --> 04:02:27,343
state. They're even in voter turnout,

3361
04:02:27,343 --> 04:02:31,481
they're unique? >> we can do that in future

3362
04:02:31,481 --> 04:02:34,840
years. It is not part of this

3363
04:02:34,840 --> 04:02:34,817
amendment. >> okay.

3364
04:02:34,817 --> 04:02:38,955
the people of new york city, the referendum they voted on

3365
04:02:38,955 --> 04:02:42,555
was nonbinding? Or was it binding?

3366
04:02:47,430 --> 04:02:49,300
>> I thought it was nonbinding.

3367
04:02:49,300 --> 04:02:52,435
>> to be clear, there was back and forth about this before.

3368
04:02:52,435 --> 04:02:57,835
another county, say suffolk county can't put forth a

3369
04:02:58,400 --> 04:03:00,777
nonbinding resolution, if they put it forth and the voters

3370
04:03:00,777 --> 04:03:03,847
approved it to say we don't want to touch our elections

3371
04:03:03,847 --> 04:03:07,500
like new york city didn't want to change theirs, they would

3372
04:03:07,500 --> 04:03:08,184
not have the opportunity to exempt themselves from this

3373
04:03:08,184 --> 04:03:12,384
amendment? >> no, we -- it is one

3374
04:03:13,122 --> 04:03:16,126
amendment. It is for all of new york

3375
04:03:16,126 --> 04:03:20,864
state outside of new york city and then the voters then if

3376
04:03:20,864 --> 04:03:27,271
this passes this year and in the next term the voters

3377
04:03:27,271 --> 04:03:30,730
throughout the state get a chance to decide.

3378
04:03:30,730 --> 04:03:34,873
>> okay. To be clear, we spend back to

3379
04:03:36,212 --> 04:03:40,484
cost savings is that number is duchess county will save

3380
04:03:40,484 --> 04:03:44,840
$450,000? >> no, I'm sure it is more.

3381
04:03:44,821 --> 04:03:47,290
it is much larger. You can tell me how many

3382
04:03:47,290 --> 04:03:51,628
election districts you have. >> we have a lot.

3383
04:03:51,628 --> 04:03:55,498
>> so the savings in larger counties are going to be much

3384
04:03:55,498 --> 04:03:59,980
larger. There is only about two

3385
04:03:59,903 --> 04:04:00,838
hundred thousand voters, not even that much.

3386
04:04:00,838 --> 04:04:04,438
but there is 300,000 people and 169 districts.

3387
04:04:08,177 --> 04:04:13,249
so I'm sure that suffolk and nassau each will have huge

3388
04:04:13,249 --> 04:04:14,384
savings. >> how many election districts

3389
04:04:14,384 --> 04:04:17,984
are in new york city? >> around 5300.

3390
04:04:24,127 --> 04:04:28,598
>> wow, imagine the money they can save if also included in

3391
04:04:28,598 --> 04:04:31,667
this amendment. Incredible, really help them

3392
04:04:31,667 --> 04:04:32,935
out. Just moving on.

3393
04:04:32,935 --> 04:04:38,475
moving all of the elections to even years, by me, a ballot

3394
04:04:38,475 --> 04:04:41,745
could potentially have a candidate for u.s. President,

3395
04:04:41,745 --> 04:04:46,216
u.s. Senate, u.s. Congress, state senate, state assembly,

3396
04:04:46,216 --> 04:04:49,618
county executive, county clerk, district attorney,

3397
04:04:49,618 --> 04:04:53,222
county legislator, town supervisor, town clerk, town

3398
04:04:53,222 --> 04:04:55,758
tax receiver, potentially highway superintendent and a

3399
04:04:55,758 --> 04:04:57,226
dozen judges. That is a pretty large ballot,

3400
04:04:57,226 --> 04:04:59,626
would you agree? >> yes.

3401
04:05:00,897 --> 04:05:05,697
it is a large ballot. But we'll --

3402
04:05:24,654 --> 04:05:27,791
>> where do they expect the other candidates, on top of

3403
04:05:27,791 --> 04:05:31,594
the everyday responsibilities, might be a parent like I am,

3404
04:05:31,594 --> 04:05:34,594
of the nongestating variety. Exhausted.

3405
04:05:36,599 --> 04:05:40,403
come home from work, take care of the kids, tidy up the

3406
04:05:40,403 --> 04:05:43,720
house. Put kids to bed and now I sit

3407
04:05:43,720 --> 04:05:45,208
down and research 25 candidates, do you think I

3408
04:05:45,208 --> 04:05:47,543
will do that item where will I find the time?

3409
04:05:47,543 --> 04:05:49,946
>> well, I have confidence in the voters.

3410
04:05:49,946 --> 04:05:53,750
I have confidence in candidates reaching the

3411
04:05:53,750 --> 04:05:57,350
voters. >> on that topic, as another

3412
04:05:58,821 --> 04:06:04,821
colleague brought up before,? Is there any concern that some

3413
04:06:11,300 --> 04:06:15,571
candidates may be frozen out from actually getting

3414
04:06:15,571 --> 04:06:19,708
advertising space? >> that's always a concern in

3415
04:06:19,708 --> 04:06:22,778
every election. And I'm sure that your political

3416
04:06:22,778 --> 04:06:24,582
consultant will tell you how to navigate it.

3417
04:06:24,582 --> 04:06:27,517
>> I don't have one. >> then you'll figure it out

3418
04:06:27,517 --> 04:06:30,587
yourself. >> okay, well, I thank you for

3419
04:06:30,587 --> 04:06:32,550
answering my questions. Madam speaker, on the bill,

3420
04:06:32,550 --> 04:06:33,456
please. >> on the bill.

3421
04:06:33,456 --> 04:06:37,260
>> so, again, this bill is moving even more elections to

3422
04:06:37,260 --> 04:06:42,198
even years to point request where now you can have 25

3423
04:06:42,198 --> 04:06:45,602
candidates on your ballot and we expect that voters will have

3424
04:06:45,602 --> 04:06:48,405
enough time and energy to research this many people on top

3425
04:06:48,405 --> 04:06:53,142
of their daily lives, their job, their family obligations, and

3426
04:06:53,142 --> 04:06:56,812
we're going to pretend that they are going to be even more

3427
04:06:56,812 --> 04:07:02,212
informed somehow by asking them to research 25 people each

3428
04:07:02,552 --> 04:07:05,555
election cycle. I don't see how that's the case.

3429
04:07:05,555 --> 04:07:11,294
on the topic of voter turnout, voter turnout is up in even

3430
04:07:11,294 --> 04:07:16,320
years, across the state. So what's good for voter turnout

3431
04:07:16,320 --> 04:07:20,503
in suffolk suffolk, nassau, orange county should be good for

3432
04:07:20,503 --> 04:07:24,390
new york city but as the sponsor said, unfortunately, new york

3433
04:07:24,390 --> 04:07:27,711
city is special and does not get included in something like this.

3434
04:07:27,711 --> 04:07:32,715
even on the cost savings side, new york city apparently has

3435
04:07:32,715 --> 04:07:35,585
5300 election districts and imagine the cost savings could

3436
04:07:35,585 --> 04:07:39,122
could be realized if they were included in this and maybe we'd

3437
04:07:39,122 --> 04:07:40,589
stop having to send then so much extra money.

3438
04:07:40,589 --> 04:07:42,259
I'll be voting. No thank you, madam speaker.

3439
04:07:42,259 --> 04:07:44,659
>> thank you. Mr. Fitzpatrick.

3440
04:07:45,262 --> 04:07:48,262
>> >> would the sponsor yield just

3441
04:07:50,332 --> 04:07:52,200
for -- >> will the sponsor yield?

3442
04:07:52,200 --> 04:07:53,336
>> a couple of questions. >> yes.

3443
04:07:53,336 --> 04:07:58,741
>> I just -- I was going to speak on the bill and I will,

3444
04:07:58,741 --> 04:08:02,478
but,, where, the savings, at the board of elections, what will

3445
04:08:02,478 --> 04:08:06,349
these employees be doing in the odd years?

3446
04:08:06,349 --> 04:08:10,220
they'll be very busy in the even years but what are we going to

3447
04:08:10,220 --> 04:08:13,356
furlough them? Are we going to lay them off and

3448
04:08:13,356 --> 04:08:17,930
bring them back in an even year because we really won't need

3449
04:08:17,930 --> 04:08:24,340
them in an off year or maybe a smaller staff just to

3450
04:08:24,340 --> 04:08:26,836
administrator get people rent registered to vote but what are

3451
04:08:26,836 --> 04:08:30,473
all of these employees going to do in off year, in an odd year?

3452
04:08:30,473 --> 04:08:34,100
>> I'm sure that each board will make it its own decisions.

3453
04:08:34,100 --> 04:08:37,280
>> I don't -- that's not a good answer.

3454
04:08:37,280 --> 04:08:40,583
>> we need -- you can give me specifics because, if we're

3455
04:08:40,583 --> 04:08:44,454
going to do all of this work in an even year with a tremendously

3456
04:08:44,454 --> 04:08:48,791
long ballot, we haven't even figured how to adjust the

3457
04:08:48,791 --> 04:08:51,928
ballots. Are we looking a mail-in voting

3458
04:08:51,928 --> 04:08:54,864
to make it easier? Is that what the goal is here?

3459
04:08:54,864 --> 04:08:58,801
>> what was that? >> how are we going to deal with

3460
04:08:58,801 --> 04:09:03,100
this very large ballot in even years?

3461
04:09:04,400 --> 04:09:06,900
what arrangements are going to be made?

3462
04:09:06,900 --> 04:09:13,809
>> as I've said, a numb bore of times, if that concern comes up

3463
04:09:13,817 --> 04:09:17,190
next year, I'm sure that I will be talking and others will be

3464
04:09:17,190 --> 04:09:21,491
talking to the local boards, and the state board, and we'll see

3465
04:09:21,491 --> 04:09:25,562
what is the best way to deal if there is a concern.

3466
04:09:25,562 --> 04:09:29,165
>> okay, very good. But -- thank you,

3467
04:09:29,165 --> 04:09:31,768
mr. Jasonson. >> on the bill.

3468
04:09:31,768 --> 04:09:36,438
>> the sponsor has said many times this afternoon that I

3469
04:09:36,438 --> 04:09:40,242
trust the voters. I have confidence in the voters.

3470
04:09:40,242 --> 04:09:43,912
I think that what he's really saying is I only trust the

3471
04:09:43,912 --> 04:09:46,116
voters in even numbered years are.

3472
04:09:46,116 --> 04:09:49,385
I don't trust at least my base voters to come out and vote in

3473
04:09:49,385 --> 04:09:52,255
odd number of years. We're all elected officials

3474
04:09:52,255 --> 04:09:57,590
which means that we all practice the game of politics.

3475
04:09:57,590 --> 04:09:59,996
and some of us are very good at the game of politics.

3476
04:09:59,996 --> 04:10:03,933
and I enjoy political theatre as much as anybody else.

3477
04:10:03,933 --> 04:10:08,137
you know, to the viewers, all three of them watching this this

3478
04:10:08,137 --> 04:10:12,942
afternoon, what's really happening here is just the raw

3479
04:10:12,942 --> 04:10:16,790
execution of political power to gain advantage.

3480
04:10:16,790 --> 04:10:21,840
I think the majority's goal is to make the minority party a

3481
04:10:21,840 --> 04:10:23,850
permanent minority party in the state of new york.

3482
04:10:23,850 --> 04:10:26,522
that's okay, that's their prerogative and they are putting

3483
04:10:26,522 --> 04:10:30,260
that into practice this week. This is what the fourth bill

3484
04:10:30,260 --> 04:10:33,295
designed to give them that permanent majority.

3485
04:10:33,295 --> 04:10:36,765
so, you new york as I said the other day, I'm not mad at what

3486
04:10:36,765 --> 04:10:39,235
they are doing. I don't like it but I'm not mad.

3487
04:10:39,235 --> 04:10:41,438
look, we'll have to have this debate again next year.

3488
04:10:41,438 --> 04:10:45,641
and then, the voters will trust the voters to make that

3489
04:10:45,641 --> 04:10:49,578
decision, do they want to put this proposal into practice or

3490
04:10:49,578 --> 04:10:53,582
not. I'm hopeful that they -- I'm

3491
04:10:53,582 --> 04:10:57,553
hopeful that they don't, because, you know, no voter is

3492
04:10:57,553 --> 04:11:01,591
going to be disenfranchised. Everybody will have an

3493
04:11:01,591 --> 04:11:04,393
opportunity to vote. But what I do think, we're doing

3494
04:11:04,393 --> 04:11:10,393
here is we're disrespecting the voters because as my floor

3495
04:11:10,933 --> 04:11:12,602
leader said very eloquently before.

3496
04:11:12,602 --> 04:11:15,638
there is a reason that we stagger these terms there is a

3497
04:11:15,638 --> 04:11:19,341
reason why we don't put everything in one basket.

3498
04:11:19,341 --> 04:11:22,578
you shouldn't put all of your eggs in one basket and that's

3499
04:11:22,578 --> 04:11:24,681
exactly what we're do with our elections here.

3500
04:11:24,681 --> 04:11:31,320
if you have a ballot of 20 to 30 candidates, you know, it's --

3501
04:11:31,320 --> 04:11:33,889
you're really it iser disrespecting the voters.

3502
04:11:33,889 --> 04:11:38,327
they deserve the opportunity to vote for local officials in one

3503
04:11:38,327 --> 04:11:41,430
year, and statewide officials in another.

3504
04:11:41,430 --> 04:11:45,768
now, the gentle lady from fairport made reference to how

3505
04:11:45,768 --> 04:11:48,504
their local elections were held in an even year.

3506
04:11:48,504 --> 04:11:52,442
and, but I think the reason that it was successful there, is

3507
04:11:52,442 --> 04:11:56,245
because you only had a state senate candidate, a

3508
04:11:56,245 --> 04:11:59,582
congressional candidate, and an assembly candidate, maybe a

3509
04:11:59,582 --> 04:12:01,250
federal senate candidate, and the local officials.

3510
04:12:01,250 --> 04:12:05,721
so you did not have an overloaded ballot in fairport

3511
04:12:05,721 --> 04:12:08,258
that year. So, yes, it is a lot easier.

3512
04:12:08,258 --> 04:12:13,658
but when you have 25, 20, 25, 30 candidates on the ballot, that's

3513
04:12:13,863 --> 04:12:17,466
a different story. It is a different issue.

3514
04:12:17,466 --> 04:12:24,600
so, I think it's -- look, this is going to pass.

3515
04:12:24,600 --> 04:12:28,110
we'll do it again next year, early next year and then we'll

3516
04:12:28,110 --> 04:12:30,546
have a battle and that's what we're in every year.

3517
04:12:30,546 --> 04:12:32,347
battle for the mind of the voter.

3518
04:12:32,347 --> 04:12:34,617
and we're going to have a good discussion.

3519
04:12:34,617 --> 04:12:37,420
some great debates on whether this is a good thing or a bad

3520
04:12:37,420 --> 04:12:38,621
thing. I don't think it is a good

3521
04:12:38,621 --> 04:12:40,890
thing. I don't think it is good for the

3522
04:12:40,890 --> 04:12:41,990
voters and I don't think it is good for the candidates.

3523
04:12:41,990 --> 04:12:47,563
good luck trying to get radio time or ad space or t.v. Time

3524
04:12:47,563 --> 04:12:51,868
when you're competing with, you know, federal election --

3525
04:12:51,868 --> 04:12:54,304
federal races and all of these other races.

3526
04:12:54,304 --> 04:12:58,775
it is going to be very expensive to run these campaigns because

3527
04:12:58,775 --> 04:13:03,512
the increased demand for media time and media space.

3528
04:13:03,512 --> 04:13:06,783
so, we're really doing the voter, I think, a disservice

3529
04:13:06,783 --> 04:13:09,852
here. But, you know, it is all about

3530
04:13:09,852 --> 04:13:13,188
power this game is about power. You know, we like to think that

3531
04:13:13,188 --> 04:13:17,760
we have a level playing field. Neither side want as level

3532
04:13:17,760 --> 04:13:21,931
playing field. We saw that this week with the

3533
04:13:21,931 --> 04:13:23,931
redistricting. Bills.

3534
04:13:24,100 --> 04:13:26,870
it is about tilting that playing field in your direction.

3535
04:13:26,870 --> 04:13:28,805
and that's what the majority is doing.

3536
04:13:28,805 --> 04:13:32,141
it is plain and simple for all to see.

3537
04:13:32,141 --> 04:13:34,910
and that's okay. Go ahead and do it.

3538
04:13:34,910 --> 04:13:39,150
if the shoe were on the other foot, we might be doing the same

3539
04:13:39,150 --> 04:13:41,483
thing. That's why, you know, we're in a

3540
04:13:41,483 --> 04:13:44,554
deep blue state, we need to become a purple state because I

3541
04:13:44,554 --> 04:13:50,359
remember years ago, sitting next to mr. I have to lopez, god

3542
04:13:50,359 --> 04:13:53,629
rest his soul -- mr. Vito lopez and god rest his soul.

3543
04:13:53,629 --> 04:13:56,899
he said, things were better here when there were fewer of us,

3544
04:13:56,899 --> 04:13:59,702
meaning democrats and more of you, meaning republicans.

3545
04:13:59,702 --> 04:14:02,972
he said now our votes are taken for granted.

3546
04:14:02,972 --> 04:14:06,509
so, when you have absolute power, you can do things like

3547
04:14:06,509 --> 04:14:08,710
this. And that's what we're witnessing

3548
04:14:08,710 --> 04:14:12,114
here today and what we witnessed early this week.

3549
04:14:12,114 --> 04:14:13,583
I'm not going to say it is wrong.

3550
04:14:13,583 --> 04:14:18,120
that's for the voters to decide. Is it fair?

3551
04:14:18,120 --> 04:14:21,570
no. If we trust -- I hope the voters

3552
04:14:21,570 --> 04:14:25,327
are paying attention this year. I'll do my very best to express

3553
04:14:25,327 --> 04:14:28,931
my point of view, and I'm sure the other side will do the same.

3554
04:14:28,931 --> 04:14:34,337
but, doing this is, I think, disrespectful to the voters, it

3555
04:14:34,337 --> 04:14:41,277
is not fair to the issues. We have a lot of local

3556
04:14:41,277 --> 04:14:42,946
issues that occupy a lot of time.

3557
04:14:42,946 --> 04:14:46,482
we have a lot of issues at the state and federal level that

3558
04:14:46,482 --> 04:14:49,752
occupy a lot of time. We are cramming five pounds of

3559
04:14:49,752 --> 04:14:53,355
stuff into a two-pound bag in the even years by doing this,

3560
04:14:53,355 --> 04:14:58,940
and we all know it. So, I'm going to be voting no.

3561
04:14:58,940 --> 04:15:02,631
I think everyone should vote no. The system isn't broken, and if

3562
04:15:02,631 --> 04:15:05,700
it ain't broken, there's no need to fix it.

3563
04:15:05,700 --> 04:15:09,900
thank you very much. >> speaker: thank you.

3564
04:15:13,975 --> 04:15:15,844
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3565
04:15:15,844 --> 04:15:18,113
effect immediately. >> speaker: a party vote's

3566
04:15:18,113 --> 04:15:19,848
been requested. Ms. Walsh.

3567
04:15:19,848 --> 04:15:22,384
>> thank you, mr. Speaker. The republican conference will

3568
04:15:22,384 --> 04:15:26,584
not be supporting this constitutional amendment that's

3569
04:15:27,990 --> 04:15:32,127
being proposed, but if there are any exceptions, they could be

3570
04:15:32,127 --> 04:15:36,327
noted now at members' deksz. Thank you.

3571
04:15:36,398 --> 04:15:38,533
>> speaker: thank you. Ms. Peoples-stokes.

3572
04:15:38,533 --> 04:15:41,370
>> thank you, madam speaker. The majority conference is going

3573
04:15:41,370 --> 04:15:44,600
to be in favor of this proposed constitutional amendment and

3574
04:15:44,600 --> 04:15:47,109
folks who would decide to be an exception, they should feel free

3575
04:15:47,109 --> 04:15:49,893
to do so at their seats. >> speaker: thank you.

3576
04:15:49,893 --> 04:15:55,293
the clerk will record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3577
04:16:06,843 --> 04:16:09,313
ms. Bailey toll explain her vote.

3578
04:16:09,313 --> 04:16:11,849
>> thank you, madam speaker. I think this is a large concern

3579
04:16:11,849 --> 04:16:13,984
that needs to be addressed on the record again.

3580
04:16:13,984 --> 04:16:19,723
I took 2029, just thinking if this passes today, we pass it

3581
04:16:19,723 --> 04:16:26,300
again next year, it goes on the ballot, the first election or

3582
04:16:26,300 --> 04:16:29,533
the first even term we are going to see impacted are those whose

3583
04:16:29,533 --> 04:16:34,933
terms will end on 11:59 decembe. So what happens then?

3584
04:16:38,209 --> 04:16:41,479
under this amendment, the terms of office of many local

3585
04:16:41,479 --> 04:16:44,214
officials will expire at midnight.

3586
04:16:44,214 --> 04:16:48,419
at that moment they can see what exists across multiple offices

3587
04:16:48,419 --> 04:16:52,619
across new york state. Deputy clerks, assistant

3588
04:16:55,493 --> 04:17:00,431
district attorneys undersheriffs fill in unable to act if a

3589
04:17:00,431 --> 04:17:03,701
vacancy occurs in the office and serve at the pleasure of said

3590
04:17:03,701 --> 04:17:07,301
elected official. When that elected official's

3591
04:17:08,172 --> 04:17:12,109
term expires, so, too, does the authority under which those

3592
04:17:12,109 --> 04:17:16,309
appointments exist. Compounding the issue, a vacancy

3593
04:17:17,915 --> 04:17:21,318
cannot be filled until the vacancy actually exists.

3594
04:17:21,318 --> 04:17:24,522
I understand that, under current law, the governor has the

3595
04:17:24,522 --> 04:17:26,923
authority to fill many of these vacancies.

3596
04:17:26,923 --> 04:17:31,662
however, this amendment raises significant concerns about the

3597
04:17:31,662 --> 04:17:36,267
practical and functional ability to address what could be an

3598
04:17:36,267 --> 04:17:38,668
unprecedented number of vacancies occurring

3599
04:17:38,668 --> 04:17:43,407
simultaneously across the state. The amendment does not

3600
04:17:43,407 --> 04:17:47,211
adequately account for the magnitude of that challenge.

3601
04:17:47,211 --> 04:17:51,481
these are not theoretical concerns, they are fundamental

3602
04:17:51,481 --> 04:17:56,530
questions of governance that could impact counties and local

3603
04:17:56,530 --> 04:17:58,155
governments across new york state.

3604
04:17:58,155 --> 04:18:01,826
my concern is not about policy -- or politics, it's

3605
04:18:01,826 --> 04:18:04,428
about ensuring -- >> speaker: thank you,

3606
04:18:04,428 --> 04:18:06,897
ms. Bailey, how do you vote? >> I vote in the negative.

3607
04:18:06,897 --> 04:18:08,566
>> speaker: ms. Bailey in the negative.

3608
04:18:08,566 --> 04:18:10,968
thank you. Mr. Smullen to explain his vote.

3609
04:18:10,968 --> 04:18:16,373
>> I rise to explain my vote. Here we are again with another

3610
04:18:16,373 --> 04:18:20,444
constitutional amendment, changing the fundamentals of our

3611
04:18:20,444 --> 04:18:24,915
system of elections here in new york state, and here we are

3612
04:18:24,915 --> 04:18:30,921
again, the rural communities of upstate new york on the short

3613
04:18:30,921 --> 04:18:34,391
end of a stick. We are being dictated to by

3614
04:18:34,391 --> 04:18:37,995
new york city as to when we can hold our elections, when, in

3615
04:18:37,995 --> 04:18:44,100
fact, they are saying they can hold their elections as they

3616
04:18:44,100 --> 04:18:46,401
choose. This is fundamentally

3617
04:18:49,807 --> 04:18:51,476
anti-democratic. We the people of upstate

3618
04:18:51,476 --> 04:18:54,780
new york should have the right to choose when we hold our

3619
04:18:54,780 --> 04:18:58,816
elections and not to be outvoted by one-party rule in this

3620
04:18:58,816 --> 04:19:01,752
assembly. This is fundamentally wrong.

3621
04:19:01,752 --> 04:19:05,689
we will be here again next year to discuss this, and we are

3622
04:19:05,689 --> 04:19:10,694
going to make sure that all of the voters of all of the parts

3623
04:19:10,694 --> 04:19:14,898
of the state know that this fundamental injustice is being

3624
04:19:14,898 --> 04:19:17,568
done to them in the name of one-party rule.

3625
04:19:17,568 --> 04:19:22,306
I vote no. >> mr. Smullen in the negative.

3626
04:19:22,306 --> 04:19:24,107
mr. Jacobson to explain his vote.

3627
04:19:24,107 --> 04:19:28,579
>> thank you, madam speaker. I want to thank my colleagues

3628
04:19:28,579 --> 04:19:32,779
for a spirited debate. This constitutional amendment

3629
04:19:33,451 --> 04:19:38,656
will move to even year elections remaining offices outside

3630
04:19:38,656 --> 04:19:42,126
new york city which were not previously moved to even year

3631
04:19:42,126 --> 04:19:45,196
elections. It will not apply to village

3632
04:19:45,196 --> 04:19:48,796
elections. The results of these changes

3633
04:19:48,799 --> 04:19:54,671
will mean less voter confusion and higher turnout, and counties

3634
04:19:54,671 --> 04:20:00,411
will save a huge amount of money by not having to run these

3635
04:20:00,411 --> 04:20:05,211
elections every year. I proudly vote in the

3636
04:20:05,216 --> 04:20:07,884
affirmative. >> mr. Jacobson in the

3637
04:20:07,884 --> 04:20:10,688
affirmative. Mr. Norber to explain his vote.

3638
04:20:10,688 --> 04:20:16,688
>> thank you, madam speaker. In my district, we have an

3639
04:20:17,227 --> 04:20:21,432
immense amount of county legislators and supervisors and

3640
04:20:21,432 --> 04:20:25,502
so many people are running for these elections, it doesn't make

3641
04:20:25,502 --> 04:20:29,390
sense in one way or form that we have so many people on one

3642
04:20:29,390 --> 04:20:31,909
ballot every two years. This is not about what's good

3643
04:20:31,909 --> 04:20:39,109
for them, this is about what's good for one party, and it's

3644
04:20:40,850 --> 04:20:43,387
pretty clear. What we need to be doing here is

3645
04:20:43,387 --> 04:20:50,587
just doing really what's right for the voters and not just for

3646
04:20:52,796 --> 04:20:57,401
one party just trying to hold, keep, maintain and grow their

3647
04:20:57,401 --> 04:20:59,603
one-party rule. I will be voting in the

3648
04:20:59,603 --> 04:21:00,337
negative. Thank you.

3649
04:21:00,337 --> 04:21:03,937
>> speaker: mr. Norber in the negative.

3650
04:24:35,753 --> 04:24:39,756
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

3651
04:24:39,756 --> 04:24:42,292
>> ayes 88, nos 46. >> speaker: the bill is

3652
04:24:42,292 --> 04:24:43,360
passed. Peoples-stokes.

3653
04:24:43,360 --> 04:24:47,697
>> madam speaker, if we can now begin consenting the a and b

3654
04:24:47,697 --> 04:24:51,102
calendars we have beginning page 3 of the a calendar?

3655
04:24:51,102 --> 04:24:55,902
>> speaker: yes. On the a calendar page 4, rules

3656
04:24:59,976 --> 04:25:05,976
report -- oh, sorry. On the a calendar, page 3, rules

3657
04:25:08,251 --> 04:25:12,989
report 531, the clerk will read. >> assembly number 509b, rules

3658
04:25:12,989 --> 04:25:15,793
report 531, ms. Paulin, an act to amend public health law and

3659
04:25:15,793 --> 04:25:20,593
the education law. >> speaker: on a motion by

3660
04:25:21,640 --> 04:25:23,600
ms. Paulin, senate bill is before the house, advanced.

3661
04:25:23,600 --> 04:25:25,536
read the last section. >> this act shall take effect

3662
04:25:25,536 --> 04:25:27,871
180th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

3663
04:25:27,871 --> 04:25:31,471
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3664
04:26:49,486 --> 04:26:50,620
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3665
04:26:50,620 --> 04:26:53,825
announce the results. >> ayes 134, nays zero.

3666
04:26:53,825 --> 04:26:55,292
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3667
04:26:55,292 --> 04:26:59,162
>> assembly number 1942, rules report 532, ms. Paulin, an act

3668
04:26:59,162 --> 04:27:01,831
to amend public health law. >> speaker: on a motion by

3669
04:27:01,831 --> 04:27:08,431
ms. Paulin a senate bill is before the house, senate the

3670
04:27:09,600 --> 04:27:11,240
bill is advanced. Read the last section.

3671
04:27:11,240 --> 04:27:14,440
>> this act shall take effect on the 60th day.

3672
04:27:14,440 --> 04:27:17,380
displblghts niou the clerk will record the vote.

3673
04:27:17,380 --> 04:27:19,380
[ voting in progress ]

3674
04:28:09,165 --> 04:28:11,835
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

3675
04:28:11,835 --> 04:28:14,237
>> ayes 133, nays 1. >> speaker: the bill is

3676
04:28:14,237 --> 04:28:16,573
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3677
04:28:16,573 --> 04:28:21,973
4007a rules report 533 mr. E. Brown an act authorizing

3678
04:28:26,983 --> 04:28:31,783
congregation khal hashem, inc. To receive retroactive real

3679
04:28:35,258 --> 04:28:38,261
property tax exempt states. >> speaker: senate bill is

3680
04:28:38,261 --> 04:28:42,933
before the house, senate bill is is advanced, read the last

3681
04:28:42,933 --> 04:28:43,934
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3682
04:28:43,934 --> 04:28:44,934
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3683
04:28:44,934 --> 04:28:48,534
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3684
04:30:20,430 --> 04:30:21,564
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3685
04:30:21,564 --> 04:30:24,569
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131, nays zero.

3686
04:30:24,569 --> 04:30:26,103
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3687
04:30:26,103 --> 04:30:29,703
>> clerk: assembly number 5113b, rules report 535,

3688
04:30:32,642 --> 04:30:35,779
mr. Andsen, an act to amend the insurance law.

3689
04:30:35,779 --> 04:30:38,381
>> speaker: the bill is laid aside.

3690
04:30:38,381 --> 04:30:43,986
>> clerk: rules report 536, mr. Hevesi, an act to amend the

3691
04:30:43,986 --> 04:30:46,789
domestic relations law and the family court act.

3692
04:30:46,789 --> 04:30:49,659
>> speaker: motion by mr. Hevesi senate bill is before

3693
04:30:49,659 --> 04:30:52,596
the house. The senate bill is advanced.

3694
04:30:52,596 --> 04:30:55,198
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3695
04:30:55,198 --> 04:30:56,532
effect 270th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

3696
04:30:56,532 --> 04:31:00,132
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3697
04:31:00,403 --> 04:31:05,809
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

3698
04:31:05,809 --> 04:31:11,809
I rise today in support of this legislation while also

3699
04:31:12,482 --> 04:31:14,685
recognizing this legislation raises important questions that

3700
04:31:14,685 --> 04:31:18,221
deserve continued attention from this body and from the courts

3701
04:31:18,221 --> 04:31:20,690
that will be responsible for implementing it.

3702
04:31:20,690 --> 04:31:24,227
at its heart, this bill is about protecting children.

3703
04:31:24,227 --> 04:31:28,632
it seeks to ensure that when allegations of domestic

3704
04:31:28,632 --> 04:31:32,350
violence, child abuse, coercive control or other serious threats

3705
04:31:32,350 --> 04:31:35,639
to a child's safety are raised that courts give those concerns

3706
04:31:35,639 --> 04:31:37,507
the careful consideration that they deserve.

3707
04:31:37,507 --> 04:31:41,511
the bill reflects the legislature's belief that child

3708
04:31:41,511 --> 04:31:45,582
safety must remain the paramount concern in custody proceedings

3709
04:31:45,582 --> 04:31:49,518
and judges should have clear guidance when confronted with

3710
04:31:49,518 --> 04:31:52,122
these very difficult cases. At the same time, supporters of

3711
04:31:52,122 --> 04:31:56,590
the bill should acknowledge the legitimate concerns that have

3712
04:31:56,590 --> 04:32:00,330
been raised by judges, practitioners and family law

3713
04:32:00,330 --> 04:32:02,932
experts. Our family courts are already

3714
04:32:02,932 --> 04:32:06,536
facing significant case load precious, requiring additional

3715
04:32:06,536 --> 04:32:09,739
hearings, findings and procedure 8 steps may increase the time

3716
04:32:09,739 --> 04:32:12,678
and resources necessary to resolve custody disputes.

3717
04:32:12,678 --> 04:32:16,481
we must be vigilant to ensure that well-intentioned reforms do

3718
04:32:16,481 --> 04:32:19,552
not unintentionally contribute to delays that leave families

3719
04:32:19,552 --> 04:32:21,488
and children in prolonged uncertainty.

3720
04:32:21,488 --> 04:32:25,824
there is also a concern that in highly contentious custody

3721
04:32:25,824 --> 04:32:28,293
battles some priorities may attempt to webbize allegations

3722
04:32:28,293 --> 04:32:31,230
to gain a strategic advantage over the other parent.

3723
04:32:31,230 --> 04:32:34,967
every allegation of abuse or danger must be taken seriously

3724
04:32:34,967 --> 04:32:39,438
but courts must also retain the ability to distinguish between

3725
04:32:39,438 --> 04:32:42,907
substantiated claims and claims made in the heat of a custody

3726
04:32:42,907 --> 04:32:44,976
dispute. These are not reasons in my view

3727
04:32:44,976 --> 04:32:48,981
to reject the bill. Rather they are reasons to

3728
04:32:48,981 --> 04:32:52,650
closely monitor its intempletation and remain open

3729
04:32:52,650 --> 04:32:55,720
to future adjustments if unintended consequences occur.

3730
04:32:55,720 --> 04:32:58,191
I would like to thank the sponsor of this legislation

3731
04:32:58,191 --> 04:33:01,860
because we are in a c print and it was really through his

3732
04:33:01,860 --> 04:33:07,267
determination to get it into a form that would be acceptable,

3733
04:33:07,267 --> 04:33:10,402
it was important. So I want to thank him and I do

3734
04:33:10,402 --> 04:33:12,537
vote in the affirmative. Thank you, madam speaker.

3735
04:33:12,537 --> 04:33:17,337
>> speaker: thank you. Ms. Walsh in the affirmative.

3736
04:33:18,677 --> 04:33:25,170
mr. Lavine to explain his vote. >> thank you, long ago it was

3737
04:33:25,170 --> 04:33:27,287
written from grief comes knowledge.

3738
04:33:27,287 --> 04:33:33,758
the genesis of this measure lies in the darkest of tragedy but I

3739
04:33:33,758 --> 04:33:39,365
do want to commend the sponsor, and I also want to smend the

3740
04:33:39,365 --> 04:33:42,901
advocates because from that darkness something good is going

3741
04:33:42,901 --> 04:33:46,238
to happen, and that is the nature of this bill.

3742
04:33:46,238 --> 04:33:50,976
I vote in the affirmative. >> speaker: mr. Lavine in the

3743
04:33:50,976 --> 04:33:53,244
affirmative. Mr. Norber to explain his vote.

3744
04:33:53,244 --> 04:33:58,317
>> thank you, madam speaker. Just a few words I would like to

3745
04:33:58,317 --> 04:34:02,921
say kara was a 28-month-old toddler, murdered by her father

3746
04:34:02,921 --> 04:34:06,521
during an unsupervised court approved visit.

3747
04:34:06,925 --> 04:34:11,330
before this devastating murder, those who knew her father were

3748
04:34:11,330 --> 04:34:15,233
fully aware of his dangerous behavior and had been sounding

3749
04:34:15,233 --> 04:34:20,806
the alarms but these warnings were left unheard and kira's

3750
04:34:20,806 --> 04:34:24,476
death could have been avoided. This bill would put the tools in

3751
04:34:24,476 --> 04:34:27,279
place so that families can protect their children from a

3752
04:34:27,279 --> 04:34:31,349
passionate who is exhibiting dangerous tendencies and I want

3753
04:34:31,349 --> 04:34:35,553
to thank kira's mother jacqueline for her ongoing

3754
04:34:35,553 --> 04:34:38,557
tireless fight to protect the families of new york from the

3755
04:34:38,557 --> 04:34:41,226
threat of losing a child in such a tragic way.

3756
04:34:41,226 --> 04:34:44,764
I also want to thank the sponsor for putting this forward, we

3757
04:34:44,764 --> 04:34:49,101
have been speaking about it for about a year, I'm very glad this

3758
04:34:49,101 --> 04:34:52,104
happened and we're at this point today.

3759
04:34:52,104 --> 04:34:53,907
thank you very much. In the affirmative.

3760
04:34:53,907 --> 04:34:57,507
>> speaker: mr. Norber in the affirmative.

3761
04:35:03,115 --> 04:35:05,184
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

3762
04:35:05,184 --> 04:35:08,454
>> clerk: ayes 131, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3763
04:35:08,454 --> 04:35:10,854
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3764
04:35:12,591 --> 04:35:17,620
7250a rules report 537 mr. Seem blinksy, an act to amend the

3765
04:35:17,620 --> 04:35:18,598
town law and public officers law.

3766
04:35:18,598 --> 04:35:23,398
>> speaker: motion by mr. Semplinski is national is

3767
04:35:28,875 --> 04:35:32,277
before the house, senate bill is is advanced.

3768
04:35:32,277 --> 04:35:36,948
read the last section. >> clerk: teaskt take thie

3769
04:35:36,948 --> 04:35:39,685
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3770
04:35:39,685 --> 04:35:43,285
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3771
04:36:09,782 --> 04:36:11,116
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3772
04:36:11,116 --> 04:36:13,384
announce the results. >> ayes 131.

3773
04:36:13,384 --> 04:36:15,187
nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3774
04:36:15,187 --> 04:36:18,187
passed. >> rules report 539, mr. Gal

3775
04:36:20,125 --> 04:36:23,995
lap, act authorizing lieutenant thomas clear to receive certain

3776
04:36:23,995 --> 04:36:26,999
service credit. >> speaker: on a motion by

3777
04:36:26,999 --> 04:36:28,268
mr. Gallahan. Senate bill is before the house,

3778
04:36:28,268 --> 04:36:34,868
senate bill is is advanced. Home rule is at the desk.

3779
04:36:42,147 --> 04:36:44,215
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3780
04:36:44,215 --> 04:36:47,152
effect immediately. >> speaker: record the vote.

3781
04:36:47,152 --> 04:36:51,352
[ voting in progress ] >> speaker: are there any

3782
04:37:37,680 --> 04:37:37,969
other votes? Announce the results.

3783
04:37:37,969 --> 04:37:41,739
>> clerk: ayes 131, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3784
04:37:41,739 --> 04:37:44,750
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3785
04:37:44,750 --> 04:37:49,130
7960, rules report 539, mr. Miller, an act to amend tax

3786
04:37:49,130 --> 04:37:52,284
law. >> speaker: on a motion by

3787
04:37:52,284 --> 04:37:53,752
mr. Miller, the senate bill is before the house, the senate

3788
04:37:53,752 --> 04:37:57,823
bill is advanced, home rule message is at the desk, reeled

3789
04:37:57,823 --> 04:37:59,491
read. >> clerk: this act shall take

3790
04:37:59,491 --> 04:38:00,493
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3791
04:38:00,493 --> 04:38:04,930
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3792
04:39:59,944 --> 04:40:01,414
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3793
04:40:01,414 --> 04:40:04,414
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 105.

3794
04:40:04,482 --> 04:40:05,817
nays 26. >> speaker: the bill is

3795
04:40:05,817 --> 04:40:08,217
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3796
04:40:09,220 --> 04:40:13,959
8340c, rules report 540, mr. Hawley, an act to amend

3797
04:40:13,959 --> 04:40:16,959
highway law. >> speaker: motion by

3798
04:40:18,230 --> 04:40:21,299
mr. Hally, senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is

3799
04:40:21,299 --> 04:40:22,300
advanced. Read the last section.

3800
04:40:22,300 --> 04:40:23,302
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3801
04:40:23,302 --> 04:40:24,169
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3802
04:40:24,169 --> 04:40:26,169
[ voting in progress ] #

3803
04:42:12,770 --> 04:42:13,110
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3804
04:42:13,110 --> 04:42:14,946
announce the results. >> ayes 131.

3805
04:42:14,946 --> 04:42:16,814
nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3806
04:42:16,814 --> 04:42:19,170
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3807
04:42:19,170 --> 04:42:23,217
8579a rules report 541 mr. Tannousis, act granting

3808
04:42:33,899 --> 04:42:37,368
retroactive tier four membership in the new york city teachers

3809
04:42:37,368 --> 04:42:40,368
retirement system to certain employees.

3810
04:42:42,708 --> 04:42:46,844
>> speaker: senate bill is before the house, the senate

3811
04:42:46,844 --> 04:42:49,381
bill is advanced. Read the last section.

3812
04:42:49,381 --> 04:42:50,649
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3813
04:42:50,649 --> 04:42:52,518
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3814
04:42:52,518 --> 04:42:54,518
[ voting in progress ]

3815
04:44:05,990 --> 04:44:07,126
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3816
04:44:07,126 --> 04:44:10,728
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3817
04:44:10,728 --> 04:44:11,729
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3818
04:44:11,729 --> 04:44:15,329
>> clerk: assembly number 8814a rules report 542

3819
04:44:17,268 --> 04:44:18,537
mr. Mcdonald, an act to amend the education law.

3820
04:44:18,537 --> 04:44:24,537
>> speaker: on a motion by mr. Mcdonald is the senate

3821
04:44:25,876 --> 04:44:27,479
bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

3822
04:44:27,479 --> 04:44:32,879
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3823
04:44:34,219 --> 04:44:38,419
effect july 1st. >> speaker: the clerk will

3824
04:44:40,625 --> 04:44:44,225
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3825
04:44:56,307 --> 04:44:58,543
mr. Mcdonald to explain his vote.

3826
04:44:58,543 --> 04:45:01,112
>> thank you, madam speaker. Just to explain my vote, I want

3827
04:45:01,112 --> 04:45:04,782
to thank our colleagues, I also want to thank our partners in

3828
04:45:04,782 --> 04:45:08,920
education, the teachers union and the school board

3829
04:45:08,920 --> 04:45:11,920
associations. As we know, unfortunately,

3830
04:45:12,123 --> 04:45:16,661
opioids still are perm nateing all different aspects of society

3831
04:45:16,661 --> 04:45:20,398
and unfortunately sad to say it happens in schools as well.

3832
04:45:20,398 --> 04:45:24,536
this legislation which has been thoughtful provides the

3833
04:45:24,536 --> 04:45:29,730
opportunity for schools to have a lock zone in schools.

3834
04:45:29,730 --> 04:45:33,770
unfortunately, when kids some even to marijuana, opioids are

3835
04:45:33,770 --> 04:45:34,613
infiltrated one way or the other.

3836
04:45:34,613 --> 04:45:38,820
this provides an option with no mandate to the schools in

3837
04:45:38,820 --> 04:45:41,619
regards cost to make sure that, in the unfortunate circumstance

3838
04:45:41,619 --> 04:45:47,892
that a child is struggling with an overdose, naloxone will be

3839
04:45:47,892 --> 04:45:49,892
available. Thank you.

3840
04:45:49,895 --> 04:45:53,495
>> speaker: mr. Mcdonald in the affirmative.

3841
04:45:58,503 --> 04:45:59,837
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

3842
04:45:59,837 --> 04:46:03,775
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3843
04:46:03,775 --> 04:46:06,175
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3844
04:46:06,444 --> 04:46:10,648
9074a, rules report 543, mr. Gray, an act to amend the

3845
04:46:10,648 --> 04:46:14,986
public officers law. >> speaker: motion by mr. Gray

3846
04:46:14,986 --> 04:46:18,560
the senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is

3847
04:46:18,560 --> 04:46:19,390
advanced, read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3848
04:46:19,390 --> 04:46:20,258
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3849
04:46:20,258 --> 04:46:23,858
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3850
04:47:36,534 --> 04:47:38,136
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

3851
04:47:38,136 --> 04:47:41,539
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3852
04:47:41,539 --> 04:47:43,939
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3853
04:47:44,875 --> 04:47:50,148
9199a, rules report 5 h 4, mr. Barclay, an act to amend the

3854
04:47:50,148 --> 04:47:54,285
not-for-profit corporation law. >> speaker: on a motion by

3855
04:47:54,285 --> 04:47:56,540
mr. Barclay, the senate bill is before the house, the senate

3856
04:47:56,540 --> 04:47:57,210
bill is advanced. Read the last section.

3857
04:47:57,210 --> 04:47:58,157
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3858
04:47:58,157 --> 04:48:02,357
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3859
04:49:12,578 --> 04:49:13,512
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3860
04:49:13,512 --> 04:49:16,449
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3861
04:49:16,449 --> 04:49:17,783
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3862
04:49:17,783 --> 04:49:21,383
>> clerk: assembly number 9396b, rules report 545,

3863
04:49:23,255 --> 04:49:25,324
ms. Solages, an act to amend the general business law.

3864
04:49:25,324 --> 04:49:28,395
>> speaker: on a motion by ms. Solages the senate bill is

3865
04:49:28,395 --> 04:49:31,630
before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

3866
04:49:31,630 --> 04:49:35,534
the bill is laid aside. >> clerk: assembly number

3867
04:49:35,534 --> 04:49:39,405
18280 mr. Friend, act to amend the requirement and social

3868
04:49:39,405 --> 04:49:41,941
security law. >> speaker: on a motion by

3869
04:49:41,941 --> 04:49:45,611
mr. Friend, senate bill before the house, the senate bill is

3870
04:49:45,611 --> 04:49:49,811
advanced. Home rule message is at the

3871
04:49:51,550 --> 04:49:52,284
desk. Read the last section.

3872
04:49:52,284 --> 04:49:57,840
>> clerk: this act shall take effect january 1st.

3873
04:49:57,155 --> 04:49:58,240
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3874
04:49:58,240 --> 04:50:02,224
[ voting in progress ] >> speaker: are there any

3875
04:50:51,344 --> 04:50:53,780
other votes? Announce the results.

3876
04:50:53,780 --> 04:50:55,614
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3877
04:50:55,614 --> 04:50:58,140
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3878
04:50:58,884 --> 04:51:02,554
10450b, rules report 547, mr. Simpson, an act to amend

3879
04:51:02,554 --> 04:51:05,554
highway law. >> speaker: motion by

3880
04:51:05,758 --> 04:51:08,894
mr. Simpson, the senate bill is before the house, the senate

3881
04:51:08,894 --> 04:51:09,963
bill is advanced. Read the last section.

3882
04:51:09,963 --> 04:51:11,164
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3883
04:51:11,164 --> 04:51:12,310
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3884
04:51:12,310 --> 04:51:16,831
[ voting in progress ] are there any other votes?

3885
04:52:56,802 --> 04:53:00,206
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nos

3886
04:53:00,206 --> 04:53:01,600
zero. >> speaker: the bill is

3887
04:53:01,600 --> 04:53:03,406
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

3888
04:53:03,743 --> 04:53:07,943
10706, rules report 548, ms. Chandler-waterman, an act to

3889
04:53:12,684 --> 04:53:15,880
amend the public authorities law.

3890
04:53:15,880 --> 04:53:20,760
>> speaker: senate bill before the house, the senate bill is

3891
04:53:20,760 --> 04:53:22,950
advanced read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3892
04:53:22,950 --> 04:53:23,496
effect immediately. >> speaker:

3893
04:53:23,496 --> 04:53:26,231
ms. Chandler-waterman to explain her vote.

3894
04:53:26,231 --> 04:53:31,570
>> thank you, madam speaker, this is the third year

3895
04:53:31,570 --> 04:53:33,505
legislators have stood with transit workers.

3896
04:53:33,505 --> 04:53:39,505
we are living with the rapid rise of artificial intelligence.

3897
04:53:40,179 --> 04:53:44,249
we cannot excuse the need for efficiency to be elimination of

3898
04:53:44,249 --> 04:53:47,919
good, stable union jobs. We cannot build a future where

3899
04:53:47,919 --> 04:53:52,324
technology advances but working that many lis are pushed

3900
04:53:52,324 --> 04:53:54,994
backwards, without no working families, we have no future.

3901
04:53:54,994 --> 04:53:58,730
once again, three years of making sure that we keep our

3902
04:53:58,730 --> 04:54:03,469
conductors on the m.t.a. Trains. However, this is about making

3903
04:54:03,469 --> 04:54:06,972
sure trained professionals can respond in emergencies, assist

3904
04:54:06,972 --> 04:54:10,208
riders in moments of need an provide a human presence in a

3905
04:54:10,208 --> 04:54:13,120
system that millions mend on every day.

3906
04:54:13,120 --> 04:54:17,483
with thousands of passengers on a single train having only one

3907
04:54:17,483 --> 04:54:20,753
operator limits their ability to effectively manage crisis.

3908
04:54:20,753 --> 04:54:25,157
removing them is not modernization, it is a dangerous

3909
04:54:25,157 --> 04:54:28,961
game without public safety. During the pandemic, m.t.a.

3910
04:54:28,961 --> 04:54:33,599
train conductors went to work every single day to keep

3911
04:54:33,599 --> 04:54:39,599
new york city moving. The massive scale of new york

3912
04:54:40,639 --> 04:54:45,110
city subway system makes it uniquely vulnerable in

3913
04:54:45,110 --> 04:54:46,446
emergency. This is a moment where we have

3914
04:54:46,446 --> 04:54:50,182
to draw the line and say not here, not on the backs of

3915
04:54:50,182 --> 04:54:53,852
transit workers, not at the expense of safety, not in a

3916
04:54:53,852 --> 04:54:56,322
state that continues to provide opportunities.

3917
04:54:56,322 --> 04:54:58,790
I stand with transit workers because my commitment will

3918
04:54:58,790 --> 04:55:00,859
always be the representatives of this 125eu9.

3919
04:55:00,859 --> 04:55:04,329
I urge my colleagues to stand with us and pass this bill and

3920
04:55:04,329 --> 04:55:06,466
hopefully get it signed finally into law.

3921
04:55:06,466 --> 04:55:08,400
thank you so much, I vote in the affirmative.

3922
04:55:08,400 --> 04:55:12,000
>> speaker: ms. Chandler-waterman in in te

3923
04:55:18,677 --> 04:55:19,679
affirmative. Are there any other votes?

3924
04:55:19,679 --> 04:55:22,547
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3925
04:55:22,547 --> 04:55:24,150
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3926
04:55:24,150 --> 04:55:29,415
>> clerk: 10379a, rules report 549 mr. Durso, act in relation

3927
04:55:31,290 --> 04:55:36,429
to authorizing the assessor of the town of babylon.

3928
04:55:36,429 --> 04:55:39,566
>> speaker: senate bill is before the house, the senate

3929
04:55:39,566 --> 04:55:40,766
bill is advanced, read the last section.

3930
04:55:40,766 --> 04:55:42,101
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3931
04:55:42,101 --> 04:55:46,301
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3932
04:57:00,245 --> 04:57:01,446
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3933
04:57:01,446 --> 04:57:04,451
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3934
04:57:04,451 --> 04:57:06,185
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3935
04:57:06,185 --> 04:57:09,185
>> clerk: assembly number 10902, rules report 550,

3936
04:57:11,323 --> 04:57:14,259
mr. Smullen, an act to amend the not-for-profit corporation law.

3937
04:57:14,259 --> 04:57:16,862
>> speaker: on a motion by mr. Smullen, the senate bill is

3938
04:57:16,862 --> 04:57:18,264
before the house, the senate bill is advanced, read the last

3939
04:57:18,264 --> 04:57:19,531
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3940
04:57:19,531 --> 04:57:21,133
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3941
04:57:21,133 --> 04:57:24,733
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3942
04:57:28,474 --> 04:57:32,411
mr. Smullen to explain his vote. >> thank you, madam speaker, I

3943
04:57:32,411 --> 04:57:36,682
rise to explain my vote. Recruitment and retention in our

3944
04:57:36,682 --> 04:57:39,684
voluntary fire service is of critical importance for the

3945
04:57:39,684 --> 04:57:43,880
communities in the area I represent, and this bill will

3946
04:57:43,880 --> 04:57:46,625
allow the east herkimer volunteer fire department to

3947
04:57:46,625 --> 04:57:49,695
recruit more volunteers to answer the call when the

3948
04:57:49,695 --> 04:57:51,230
community needs. It's a great bill.

3949
04:57:51,230 --> 04:57:54,990
thank you. >> mr. Smullen in the

3950
04:57:54,990 --> 04:57:57,699
affirmative. Are there any other votes?

3951
04:58:05,644 --> 04:58:08,447
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3952
04:58:08,447 --> 04:58:09,914
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3953
04:58:09,914 --> 04:58:15,120
>> clerk: assembly number 1106 is a rules report 551 mr. K.

3954
04:58:15,120 --> 04:58:21,720
brown 25th , an act to amend e chapter 63 laws of the 1971

3955
04:58:29,401 --> 04:58:33,100
bill. >> speaker: on a motion by

3956
04:58:34,139 --> 04:58:37,342
mr. Brown, the senate bill is before the house, the senate

3957
04:58:37,342 --> 04:58:40,120
bill is advanced. Read the last section.

3958
04:58:40,120 --> 04:58:41,213
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

3959
04:58:41,213 --> 04:58:42,810
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

3960
04:58:42,810 --> 04:58:46,881
[ voting in progress ] are there any other votes?

3961
04:59:43,141 --> 04:59:45,944
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays zero.

3962
04:59:45,944 --> 04:59:47,130
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3963
04:59:47,130 --> 04:59:50,613
>> clerk: assembly number 11085a rules report 552

3964
04:59:52,484 --> 04:59:54,860
mr. Jensen, an act to amend highway law.

3965
04:59:54,860 --> 04:59:57,289
>> speaker: motion by mr. Jensen, the senate bill is

3966
04:59:57,289 --> 04:59:58,557
before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

3967
04:59:58,557 --> 05:00:00,225
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3968
05:00:00,225 --> 05:00:01,561
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3969
05:00:01,561 --> 05:00:05,161
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3970
05:02:25,903 --> 05:02:27,172
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3971
05:02:27,172 --> 05:02:29,709
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays zero.

3972
05:02:29,709 --> 05:02:30,843
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3973
05:02:30,843 --> 05:02:33,843
>> clerk: assembly number 11179, rules report 553,

3974
05:02:35,980 --> 05:02:38,583
ms. Paulin, an act to amend the state finance law.

3975
05:02:38,583 --> 05:02:41,253
>> speaker: on a motion by ms. Paulin, the senate bill is

3976
05:02:41,253 --> 05:02:43,921
before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

3977
05:02:43,921 --> 05:02:47,259
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3978
05:02:47,259 --> 05:02:49,594
effect 180th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

3979
05:02:49,594 --> 05:02:53,194
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3980
05:03:58,329 --> 05:03:59,464
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

3981
05:03:59,464 --> 05:04:02,800
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays zero.

3982
05:04:02,800 --> 05:04:04,402
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

3983
05:04:04,402 --> 05:04:07,402
>> clerk: assembly number 11246, rules report 554,

3984
05:04:10,274 --> 05:04:12,144
mr. Mcdonough, an act to amend highway law.

3985
05:04:12,144 --> 05:04:17,820
>> speaker: on a motion by, the senate bill is before the

3986
05:04:17,820 --> 05:04:19,218
house, the senate bill is advanced.

3987
05:04:19,218 --> 05:04:20,551
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

3988
05:04:20,551 --> 05:04:21,754
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

3989
05:04:21,754 --> 05:04:24,889
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

3990
05:04:24,889 --> 05:04:28,493
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

3991
05:04:28,493 --> 05:04:33,432
so, I rise in support of this bill which dedicates a portion

3992
05:04:33,432 --> 05:04:37,969
of the state highway system to william cornell and, as a point

3993
05:04:37,969 --> 05:04:43,410
of personal privilege and on behalf of our members, I wanted

3994
05:04:43,410 --> 05:04:47,912
to note that this is the last bell that will be passed -- bill

3995
05:04:47,912 --> 05:04:51,783
passed from our colleague dave mcdonough, so I wanted to just

3996
05:04:51,783 --> 05:04:57,658
talk about him and his service. He was elected in 2002 and

3997
05:04:57,658 --> 05:05:02,530
served 24 years. He's a u.s. Coast guard and u.s.

3998
05:05:02,530 --> 05:05:06,133
air force veteran. He served for all that time in

3999
05:05:06,133 --> 05:05:10,710
the 14th assembly district. She was known for his dedication

4000
05:05:10,710 --> 05:05:14,274
to public safety, support for veterans and transportation

4001
05:05:14,274 --> 05:05:16,543
issues. He's been a strong advocate.

4002
05:05:16,543 --> 05:05:20,848
he has been a community leader, a long-term public servant.

4003
05:05:20,848 --> 05:05:23,818
his commitment to service, leadership and civic engagement

4004
05:05:23,818 --> 05:05:27,688
has left a lasting impact on countless new yorkers.

4005
05:05:27,688 --> 05:05:31,240
it's been a privilege to serve alongside david and benefit from

4006
05:05:31,240 --> 05:05:34,695
his experience, his wisdom and his friendship.

4007
05:05:34,695 --> 05:05:38,633
we all thank him for his service and we wish him continued health

4008
05:05:38,633 --> 05:05:41,769
in the years ahead. Thank you very much, madam

4009
05:05:41,769 --> 05:05:43,971
speaker. I vote in the affirmative.

4010
05:05:43,971 --> 05:05:48,442
>> speaker: thank you. Ms. Walsh in the affirmative.

4011
05:05:48,442 --> 05:05:52,642
thanks to mr. Mcdonough for his service.

4012
05:05:54,181 --> 05:05:57,181
[ applause ] >> speaker: are there any

4013
05:09:35,337 --> 05:09:36,203
other votes? Announce the results.

4014
05:09:36,203 --> 05:09:40,274
>> clerk: ayes 133, nays zero. >> speaker: the bill is

4015
05:09:40,274 --> 05:09:42,674
passed. >> clerk: assembly number

4016
05:09:42,743 --> 05:09:46,943
11562, rules report 555, committee on rules, mr. Bronson,

4017
05:09:47,681 --> 05:09:50,484
an act to amend the cannabis law and the labor law.

4018
05:09:50,484 --> 05:09:53,754
>> speaker: on a motion by, the senate bill is before the

4019
05:09:53,754 --> 05:09:54,756
house, the senate bill is advanced.

4020
05:09:54,756 --> 05:09:56,957
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4021
05:09:56,957 --> 05:09:59,826
effect immediately. >> speaker: party vote's been

4022
05:09:59,826 --> 05:10:00,761
requested. Ms. Walsh.

4023
05:10:00,761 --> 05:10:02,963
>> thank you, madam speaker. The republican conference will

4024
05:10:02,963 --> 05:10:08,435
not be supporting generally this legislation but if there are

4025
05:10:08,435 --> 05:10:11,370
exceptions they may be noted at members' seats.

4026
05:10:11,370 --> 05:10:12,239
>> speaker: thank you. Mr. Fall.

4027
05:10:12,239 --> 05:10:14,309
>> thank you, madam speaker. The majority conference will be

4028
05:10:14,309 --> 05:10:17,430
in the affirmative on this piece of legislation.

4029
05:10:17,430 --> 05:10:20,581
for those who would like to be an exception, they can do so at

4030
05:10:20,581 --> 05:10:23,490
their desk. >> speaker: thank you.

4031
05:10:23,490 --> 05:10:28,449
the clerk will record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

4032
05:13:35,909 --> 05:13:37,111
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4033
05:13:37,111 --> 05:13:40,711
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 95, nays 38.

4034
05:13:41,381 --> 05:13:44,184
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

4035
05:13:44,184 --> 05:13:50,784
on the b calendar, page 3, rules report 556, the clerk will read.

4036
05:13:52,826 --> 05:13:55,826
>> clerk: assembly number 11564, rules report 556,

4037
05:13:56,396 --> 05:14:00,200
committee on rules, mr. Stirpe, an act to amend the alcoholic

4038
05:14:00,200 --> 05:14:04,400
beverage control law. >> speaker: read the last

4039
05:14:04,871 --> 05:14:06,871
section. >> .

4040
05:14:08,942 --> 05:14:12,212
oh... On a motion by, the senate bill

4041
05:14:12,212 --> 05:14:14,148
is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4042
05:14:14,148 --> 05:14:15,949
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4043
05:14:15,949 --> 05:14:17,417
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4044
05:14:17,417 --> 05:14:21,170
record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

4045
05:16:40,560 --> 05:16:44,564
>> speaker: mr. Fall. >> madam speaker, can you please

4046
05:16:44,564 --> 05:16:48,168
call on the rules committee to meet in the speaker's conference

4047
05:16:48,168 --> 05:16:49,435
room. >> speaker: rules committee

4048
05:16:49,435 --> 05:16:55,435
members please make your way to the speaker's conference room.

4049
05:22:56,681 --> 05:22:58,149
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4050
05:22:58,149 --> 05:23:01,749
announce the results. >> ayes 133, nays zero.

4051
05:23:01,819 --> 05:23:04,819
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

4052
05:23:05,757 --> 05:23:07,892
mr. Fall. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4053
05:23:07,892 --> 05:23:12,363
could we now turn our attention to several bills.

4054
05:23:12,363 --> 05:23:17,168
we'll start off with one bill on consent filed the rest on

4055
05:23:17,168 --> 05:23:20,768
debate. Start with rules report 408 by

4056
05:23:22,240 --> 05:23:28,240
mr. Steck, rules report 392 by ms. Simon, rules report 483 by

4057
05:23:31,490 --> 05:23:36,449
mr. Mcdonald, rules report 470 by ms. Rosenthal, and rules

4058
05:23:37,988 --> 05:23:42,188
report 291 by ms. Forrest. >> speaker: main calendar, 9,

4059
05:23:53,738 --> 05:23:58,538
408, the clerk will read. >> clerk: 8925a rules report

4060
05:23:59,811 --> 05:24:02,347
408, senator ryan, an act to amend general business law.

4061
05:24:02,347 --> 05:24:03,682
>> speaker: read the last section.

4062
05:24:03,682 --> 05:24:09,354
>> clerk: this act shall take effect on the 90th day.

4063
05:24:09,354 --> 05:24:13,224
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4064
05:24:13,224 --> 05:24:17,962
mr. Steck to explain his vote. >> thank you, this bans

4065
05:24:17,962 --> 05:24:23,962
synthetic cratum also known as 70h or gas station heroin

4066
05:24:26,505 --> 05:24:30,975
because of where it is sold in pack jibing resembling

4067
05:24:30,975 --> 05:24:36,470
children's bubble gum. Craidum is a leaf that grows in

4068
05:24:36,470 --> 05:24:40,184
southeast asia. Chewing it produces a mild stive

4069
05:24:40,184 --> 05:24:42,720
effect. However, chemists have isolated

4070
05:24:42,720 --> 05:24:47,559
the active ingredient in craid yum and multiplied it 100 times

4071
05:24:47,559 --> 05:24:52,663
so that it is the same as other opioids such as heroin.

4072
05:24:52,663 --> 05:24:58,630
people get addicted, have rapidly declining health and go

4073
05:24:58,336 --> 05:25:01,539
through withdrawal the same as any other opioid.

4074
05:25:01,539 --> 05:25:08,679
indeed it takes the maximum dose of suboxone to arldz effects of

4075
05:25:08,679 --> 05:25:13,484
synthetic cratum. It can be fatal like any other

4076
05:25:13,484 --> 05:25:17,210
opioid overdose. Therefore, it presents a clear

4077
05:25:17,210 --> 05:25:18,889
and present danger to the people of new york.

4078
05:25:18,889 --> 05:25:24,289
I thank my colleagues especially members blumencranz and warble

4079
05:25:28,632 --> 05:25:36,432
for their votes -- warble wr their votes and I vote in the

4080
05:25:38,877 --> 05:25:40,478
affirmative. >> a piece of legislation like

4081
05:25:40,478 --> 05:25:44,582
this is going to save lives from what could be the fourth wave of

4082
05:25:44,582 --> 05:25:49,382
the opioid crisis. Synthesized forms of cratum are

4083
05:25:49,454 --> 05:25:52,724
being utilized and targeting our children and our youth and

4084
05:25:52,724 --> 05:25:57,524
ending the sale of these horrible assistant synthesl

4085
05:25:58,929 --> 05:26:01,933
make our community safer. Getting this done in a

4086
05:26:01,933 --> 05:26:04,335
bipartisan fashion shows how this building can work

4087
05:26:04,335 --> 05:26:07,405
effectively and I appreciate the support of many of the members

4088
05:26:07,405 --> 05:26:10,141
who joined us on this cause. Thank you.

4089
05:26:10,141 --> 05:26:14,145
>> speaker: ms. Walsh to explain her vote.

4090
05:26:14,145 --> 05:26:17,615
>> thank you, madam speaker. I wanted to rise briefly and

4091
05:26:17,615 --> 05:26:21,219
thank the sponsor for the work he has tone in this important

4092
05:26:21,219 --> 05:26:26,358
area along with assembly member mcdonald and other colleagues.

4093
05:26:26,358 --> 05:26:30,280
this is the latest bill in a series of bills to really try to

4094
05:26:30,280 --> 05:26:34,699
take a hard look at this substance that provides benefit

4095
05:26:34,699 --> 05:26:40,699
for some but is extremely harmful to many including a

4096
05:26:43,674 --> 05:26:49,581
former maybe of mine who became a strong advocate after her sons

4097
05:26:49,581 --> 05:26:52,117
death following the use of cratum.

4098
05:26:52,117 --> 05:26:55,530
I think this is very important and will definitely save lives

4099
05:26:55,530 --> 05:26:56,987
and this is the type of regulation in new york state

4100
05:26:56,987 --> 05:27:01,590
that I think we need to do and that I can certainly get behind.

4101
05:27:01,590 --> 05:27:04,129
I'm very grateful to see that it appears to be a unanimous vote

4102
05:27:04,129 --> 05:27:07,650
and has support from this entire body.

4103
05:27:07,650 --> 05:27:09,602
I'm proud to cast my vote in the affirmative.

4104
05:27:09,602 --> 05:27:11,803
thank you. >> speaker: thank you.

4105
05:27:11,803 --> 05:27:18,403
ms. Walsh in the affirmative. Any other votes in announce the

4106
05:27:25,483 --> 05:27:28,483
results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays zero.

4107
05:27:28,486 --> 05:27:30,421
>> speaker: the bill is passed.

4108
05:27:30,421 --> 05:27:35,821
main calendar page 8, rules report 392, cede the clerk w.

4109
05:27:36,828 --> 05:27:40,428
>> clerk: assembly number 5567b rules report 392,

4110
05:27:42,567 --> 05:27:49,241
ms. Simon, an act to amend the criminal procedural law and the

4111
05:27:49,241 --> 05:27:54,410
mental hygiene law. >> speaker: on a motion by

4112
05:27:55,513 --> 05:28:03,313
ms. Simon the senate bill is before the house -- on a motion

4113
05:28:23,741 --> 05:28:28,545
by, senate the senate bill e the house, the senate bill is

4114
05:28:28,545 --> 05:28:29,281
advanced. Read the last section.

4115
05:28:29,281 --> 05:28:35,281
>> clerk: this act shall take effect on the 90th day.

4116
05:28:57,575 --> 05:29:01,175
>> speaker: mr. Molitor, on the bill.

4117
05:29:06,583 --> 05:29:13,324
>> so, this bill will create a c change in our competency and

4118
05:29:13,324 --> 05:29:18,124
criminal procedure law, and not for the better.

4119
05:29:18,529 --> 05:29:21,933
so, under the current criminal procedure framework, if someone

4120
05:29:21,933 --> 05:29:26,733
came into court and was experiencing hallucinations or

4121
05:29:26,871 --> 05:29:32,677
something, the court, with the defense council, could ask for a

4122
05:29:32,677 --> 05:29:36,480
competency evaluation and two independent psychiatric experts

4123
05:29:36,480 --> 05:29:40,284
would evaluate that individual and determine whether they were

4124
05:29:40,284 --> 05:29:47,484
competent to stand trial or not. If the individual was found to

4125
05:29:50,627 --> 05:29:53,831
be incompetent, the individual would go to a psychiatric center

4126
05:29:53,831 --> 05:29:59,360
and, while that individual was in the psychiatric center, that

4127
05:29:59,360 --> 05:30:04,108
individual would have an attorney from the department of

4128
05:30:04,108 --> 05:30:05,576
mental hygiene representing them.

4129
05:30:05,576 --> 05:30:12,450
there is a finite amount of time that individual can stay in a

4130
05:30:12,450 --> 05:30:15,853
seekatric facility before they have to be reevaluated and there

4131
05:30:15,853 --> 05:30:19,457
has to be a new retention order from the court, and if that

4132
05:30:19,457 --> 05:30:22,326
individual, over time, is found to be competent, they are

4133
05:30:22,326 --> 05:30:26,931
brought back for their criminal proceeding, and the criminal

4134
05:30:26,931 --> 05:30:29,600
proceeding can continue and it doesn't matter what the charge

4135
05:30:29,600 --> 05:30:34,806
is -- it could be murder, arson, kidnapping, whatever it may be,

4136
05:30:34,806 --> 05:30:41,278
that individual is brought back to be tried and, you know, if

4137
05:30:41,278 --> 05:30:44,878
found guilty will suffer the repercussions.

4138
05:30:47,952 --> 05:30:55,152
this bill changes all of that. First of all, this bill will

4139
05:30:56,627 --> 05:31:00,831
remove judicial discretion for judges when setting bail, an

4140
05:31:00,831 --> 05:31:03,368
issue we've had a problem with I think in this legislature

4141
05:31:03,368 --> 05:31:06,904
before. So, when a court is trying to

4142
05:31:06,904 --> 05:31:10,241
get somebody evaluated for competency and they can't do it

4143
05:31:10,241 --> 05:31:13,111
because that individual is not in their right mind and maybe is

4144
05:31:13,111 --> 05:31:18,249
out in the community committing crimes or is just, you know, not

4145
05:31:18,249 --> 05:31:22,520
acting in a reasonable manner, a court will no longer be able to

4146
05:31:22,520 --> 05:31:26,791
set bail in order to have that person properly evaluated.

4147
05:31:26,791 --> 05:31:32,191
it changes the legal standard of what competency is.

4148
05:31:42,273 --> 05:31:45,276
it will require the court to determine whether the person

4149
05:31:45,276 --> 05:31:49,881
will ever be restored to competency, something no one is

4150
05:31:49,881 --> 05:31:53,160
capable of doing. There is a clause within this

4151
05:31:53,160 --> 05:31:56,860
particular bill that prevents medical evidence from being used

4152
05:31:56,860 --> 05:32:00,357
against the individual at trial. Right now, if someone is found

4153
05:32:00,357 --> 05:32:04,557
incompetent, all of those privileged communications that

4154
05:32:05,963 --> 05:32:08,699
exist between the provider and the defendant can be used

4155
05:32:08,699 --> 05:32:13,971
against the defendant if the defendant asserts a mental

4156
05:32:13,971 --> 05:32:18,171
disease or defect defense. This eliminates it.

4157
05:32:18,576 --> 05:32:23,715
but probably the biggest problem with this law is it gives judges

4158
05:32:23,715 --> 05:32:28,453
the ability to dismiss cases, what we would call unilaterally

4159
05:32:28,453 --> 05:32:32,256
without really any input from the prosecution which is no

4160
05:32:32,256 --> 05:32:36,727
wonder why the d.a.'s association, every one of the

4161
05:32:36,727 --> 05:32:43,300
d.a.s in all of your counties is against this.

4162
05:32:43,300 --> 05:32:49,740
not only that, but, if a court finds that someone cannot be

4163
05:32:49,740 --> 05:32:53,744
restored, it moves the case from a criminal case to a civil case

4164
05:32:53,744 --> 05:32:58,482
without any really mechanism or explanation for how that will be

4165
05:32:58,482 --> 05:33:02,152
done. So, this bill, I think, is

4166
05:33:02,152 --> 05:33:05,289
fatally flawed. Not only is it a bad idea, but

4167
05:33:05,289 --> 05:33:10,828
it doesn't work in practicality. And if that's not enough, I

4168
05:33:10,828 --> 05:33:16,228
think what it does is it, unfortunately, sacrifices public

4169
05:33:20,437 --> 05:33:25,843
safety for money because the big reason for this bill is that

4170
05:33:25,843 --> 05:33:31,843
it's costing counties too much money to keep individuals in

4171
05:33:32,917 --> 05:33:36,720
psychiatric facilities because they have been found incompetent

4172
05:33:36,720 --> 05:33:40,257
to stand trial. And I sympathize with our

4173
05:33:40,257 --> 05:33:43,927
counties, I do, which is why I think the state should pick up

4174
05:33:43,927 --> 05:33:46,997
the tab. But this is not the way to fix

4175
05:33:46,997 --> 05:33:50,401
that issue. This is only going to compromise

4176
05:33:50,401 --> 05:33:54,400
safety in the state of new york. So, I would encourage all my

4177
05:33:54,400 --> 05:33:56,600
colleagues to vote no on this bill.

4178
05:33:56,600 --> 05:33:59,606
I certainly will be. Thank you.

4179
05:34:02,480 --> 05:34:06,680
>> speaker: thank you. Read the last section.

4180
05:34:17,228 --> 05:34:20,231
>> clerk: this act shall take effect on the 90th day.

4181
05:34:20,231 --> 05:34:23,231
>> speaker: party vote's been requested.

4182
05:34:23,768 --> 05:34:24,835
ms. Walsh. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4183
05:34:24,835 --> 05:34:27,838
the republican conference will not be supporting this piece of

4184
05:34:27,838 --> 05:34:30,774
legislation, but if there are exceptions members may vote

4185
05:34:30,774 --> 05:34:32,509
differently at their desks now. Thank you.

4186
05:34:32,509 --> 05:34:33,978
>> speaker: thank you. Mr. Fall.

4187
05:34:33,978 --> 05:34:37,447
>> thank you, medical center. The majority conference will

4188
05:34:37,447 --> 05:34:40,317
support this police of legislation.

4189
05:34:40,317 --> 05:34:44,922
for those who would like to be in exception, they can do so at

4190
05:34:44,922 --> 05:34:47,570
their desks. >> speaker: thank you.

4191
05:34:47,570 --> 05:34:52,457
the clerk will record the vote. [ voting in progress ]

4192
05:35:20,491 --> 05:35:24,691
>> speaker: ms. Simon to explain her vote.

4193
05:35:27,965 --> 05:35:31,570
>> thank you, madam speaker, for permission to explain my vote.

4194
05:35:31,570 --> 05:35:34,838
this bill addresses an ongoing crisis in our courts and jails

4195
05:35:34,838 --> 05:35:37,441
across the state where people accused of crimes who are not

4196
05:35:37,441 --> 05:35:42,780
felt to stand trial but languish for months in our jails awaiting

4197
05:35:42,780 --> 05:35:44,449
both evaluation and then treatment.

4198
05:35:44,449 --> 05:35:48,318
they have not been convicted of anything, and misdemeanor cases,

4199
05:35:48,318 --> 05:35:53,857
for example, when the defendant is not competent, are always

4200
05:35:53,857 --> 05:35:57,457
dismissed. Meanls is -- mental illnesse

4201
05:35:58,863 --> 05:36:03,667
and a court involvement is often due to lack of support.

4202
05:36:03,667 --> 05:36:07,204
this bill will relieve the burden on our counties and

4203
05:36:07,204 --> 05:36:10,340
create opportunity for people to receive treatment they need

4204
05:36:10,340 --> 05:36:13,100
outside a jail setting. When we open up access and

4205
05:36:13,100 --> 05:36:15,546
support to treatment in the communities where people live,

4206
05:36:15,546 --> 05:36:20,170
we are supporting access and a commitment to long-term

4207
05:36:20,170 --> 05:36:22,887
behavioral healthcare that creates better outcomes for all

4208
05:36:22,887 --> 05:36:26,900
new yorkers, and that includes, let me just say, that once a

4209
05:36:26,900 --> 05:36:30,890
person is restored to competence, that person can't

4210
05:36:31,228 --> 05:36:33,497
stand trial. That will also protect the

4211
05:36:33,497 --> 05:36:35,832
public safety and give assurances to the public.

4212
05:36:35,832 --> 05:36:40,571
this bill is actually a faster path to restoration and usually

4213
05:36:40,571 --> 05:36:43,307
retention orders, for example, are for a year at a time.

4214
05:36:43,307 --> 05:36:47,844
and I just also want to say that bail decisions made first, bail

4215
05:36:47,844 --> 05:36:54,510
has nothing to do with this. So, I appreciate the opportunity

4216
05:36:54,510 --> 05:36:57,388
to share my reasons for voting and I will be voting in the

4217
05:36:57,388 --> 05:36:58,455
affirmative. Thank you.

4218
05:36:58,455 --> 05:37:00,858
>> thank you. Ms. Simon in the affirmative.

4219
05:37:00,858 --> 05:37:04,462
are there any other votes? Announce the results.

4220
05:37:04,462 --> 05:37:08,620
>> ayes 87, nays 46. >> speaker: the bill is

4221
05:37:09,667 --> 05:37:12,300
passed. Page 12, rules report 483, the

4222
05:37:12,300 --> 05:37:15,603
clerk will read. >> clerk: assembly number

4223
05:37:16,674 --> 05:37:22,120
5939, rules report 483, senator skoufis, an act to amend public

4224
05:37:22,120 --> 05:37:24,349
health law and the insurance law.

4225
05:37:24,349 --> 05:37:29,149
>> speaker: an explanation has been requested, mr. Mcdonald.

4226
05:37:32,122 --> 05:37:34,958
>> thank you, madam speaker quite simply, this bill is

4227
05:37:34,958 --> 05:37:36,958
actually relatively straightforward.

4228
05:37:37,783 --> 05:37:44,389
a couple of years ago, we approved in the subject a new

4229
05:37:44,389 --> 05:37:48,590
payment philosophy using a cost plus formula for the new york

4230
05:37:48,590 --> 05:37:54,590
state medicaid program this bill takes that formula and applies

4231
05:37:56,000 --> 05:38:01,400
it to commercial health plans in new york state.

4232
05:38:01,540 --> 05:38:05,740
>> speaker: mr. Jensen. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4233
05:38:06,678 --> 05:38:09,681
would the sponsor yield? >> speaker: will the sponsor

4234
05:38:09,681 --> 05:38:11,282
yield? >> of course, I'll yield.

4235
05:38:11,282 --> 05:38:13,150
>> speaker: the sponsor yields.

4236
05:38:13,150 --> 05:38:18,550
>> thank you, mr. Chairman, why is this bill necessary?

4237
05:38:22,494 --> 05:38:25,730
>> it's called fairness. Without getting into a lengthy

4238
05:38:25,730 --> 05:38:29,330
conversation request, in healthcare we have vert dli

4239
05:38:29,330 --> 05:38:33,504
integrated networks, health insurers who own pbms, health

4240
05:38:33,504 --> 05:38:37,575
systems, a variety of different entities and sadly enough, what

4241
05:38:37,575 --> 05:38:44,582
we've seen with some, not all, of these pbms is they have

4242
05:38:44,582 --> 05:38:47,318
what I call preferential reimbursement.

4243
05:38:47,318 --> 05:38:52,924
you have pharmacy a, b and c and they will pay pharmacy a which

4244
05:38:52,924 --> 05:38:56,861
they happen to own more than pharmacy b or c and quite

4245
05:38:56,861 --> 05:38:59,597
honestly that's not fair. At the end of the day, many

4246
05:38:59,597 --> 05:39:04,802
people may not realize this, as much as pharmacies are abundant

4247
05:39:04,802 --> 05:39:07,738
throughout the state, farm sills do not set prices for

4248
05:39:07,738 --> 05:39:10,738
prescription drugs, the pbms do.

4249
05:39:10,875 --> 05:39:14,545
the reality is more than enough evidence, particularly in states

4250
05:39:14,545 --> 05:39:19,945
like west virginia and oklahoma where attorneys general are

4251
05:39:20,618 --> 05:39:23,754
extremely active, that you have identified thousands of cases

4252
05:39:23,754 --> 05:39:27,357
and instances where the pbms have been paying their own

4253
05:39:27,357 --> 05:39:32,960
pharmacies more than others and, quite honestly, it's predatory

4254
05:39:32,960 --> 05:39:35,700
reimbursement, it's unfair, it's why we're seeing pharmacies lost

4255
05:39:35,700 --> 05:39:40,371
in urban areas, rural areas and sadly enough the people who are

4256
05:39:40,371 --> 05:39:45,977
most impacted are the patients. >> thank you for that enhanced

4257
05:39:45,977 --> 05:39:47,778
explanation. I do appreciate it.

4258
05:39:47,778 --> 05:39:54,378
is there language in this in ths legislation to except collective

4259
05:39:56,787 --> 05:40:00,387
barring anything agreements. >> language to exempt

4260
05:40:04,161 --> 05:40:06,730
self-insured trusts who have agreements with their employer.

4261
05:40:06,730 --> 05:40:10,267
>> what was the reasoning. >> a request of the labor

4262
05:40:10,267 --> 05:40:11,736
groups. They feel they didn't want to be

4263
05:40:11,736 --> 05:40:16,874
a part of this for whatever reason and both senator skoufis

4264
05:40:16,874 --> 05:40:20,745
and I listened to them and agreed we would do that.

4265
05:40:20,745 --> 05:40:23,481
so we're really focusing on commercial plans actually

4266
05:40:23,481 --> 05:40:27,951
overseen by the department of df financial services.

4267
05:40:27,951 --> 05:40:31,422
>> I know you mentioned in the original explanation when asked

4268
05:40:31,422 --> 05:40:35,426
by our floor leader that we had done something in the budget

4269
05:40:35,426 --> 05:40:41,426
previously and I know, in 2023, dfs had rolled out proposed

4270
05:40:41,966 --> 05:40:44,168
regulations that were never adopted.

4271
05:40:44,168 --> 05:40:49,390
how does this align or not align with what dfs originally

4272
05:40:49,390 --> 05:40:52,776
proposed through regulation? >> this follows through on what

4273
05:40:52,776 --> 05:40:55,450
d.f.s. Proposed. At the time there were concerns

4274
05:40:55,450 --> 05:40:59,983
raised by some labor groups and therefore they decided to hold

4275
05:40:59,983 --> 05:41:03,788
off on that. This follows through on this

4276
05:41:03,788 --> 05:41:06,724
original proposal. This has been accepted in many

4277
05:41:06,724 --> 05:41:10,461
other states around the country and as evidenced by both the

4278
05:41:10,461 --> 05:41:15,266
biden and trump ftc is direction where pharmacy reimbursement is

4279
05:41:15,266 --> 05:41:16,600
headed in the future. >> okay.

4280
05:41:16,600 --> 05:41:20,710
I know there is some estimate that there could be a cost both

4281
05:41:20,710 --> 05:41:25,142
to the essential plan and to insurers on the commercial

4282
05:41:25,142 --> 05:41:27,211
market. Because of the potential for

4283
05:41:27,211 --> 05:41:31,682
expense to both those entities, why didn't we do this during the

4284
05:41:31,682 --> 05:41:33,684
budget? >> no, I don't know where that

4285
05:41:33,684 --> 05:41:37,880
estimate comes from. I'm a little bit surprised to

4286
05:41:37,880 --> 05:41:42,760
even hear that being mentioned. You know, the reality is

4287
05:41:42,760 --> 05:41:47,165
pharmacy reimbursement is one very complex, a very huge black

4288
05:41:47,165 --> 05:41:49,633
box. The reality is the prescription

4289
05:41:49,633 --> 05:41:53,571
benefit managers who actually do do a very good job in regards to

4290
05:41:53,571 --> 05:41:58,371
managing the plan negotiate fees, negotiate rebates, have

4291
05:41:59,430 --> 05:42:02,380
gpo agreements, they have a whole list of items that goes

4292
05:42:02,380 --> 05:42:06,250
into determining what the patient is going to be charged.

4293
05:42:06,250 --> 05:42:10,880
what we're doing is we're changing the reimbursement

4294
05:42:10,880 --> 05:42:11,722
methodology. Instead of the old fashioned

4295
05:42:11,722 --> 05:42:17,122
program where there was a discount, which is average

4296
05:42:18,796 --> 05:42:21,866
wholesale price plus a small fee, we are actually putting in

4297
05:42:21,866 --> 05:42:24,969
a standard fee, but what people don't realize is we're putting

4298
05:42:24,969 --> 05:42:30,369
in a federally required cost reimbursement called nadac, the

4299
05:42:34,212 --> 05:42:37,212
national average drug acquisition cost.

4300
05:42:37,415 --> 05:42:41,418
pharmacies are required monthly to submit invoices to a

4301
05:42:41,418 --> 05:42:44,880
consolidator for the federal government to see what the true

4302
05:42:44,880 --> 05:42:46,424
cost of the drugs is because there's always been a question

4303
05:42:46,424 --> 05:42:50,161
of what the true costs of the drugs is.

4304
05:42:50,161 --> 05:42:54,898
nadac at the time is the best estimate I could speak of but I

4305
05:42:54,898 --> 05:42:57,902
have only been doing pharmacy for 40 years.

4306
05:42:57,902 --> 05:43:01,506
the idea is we're going to get a lower net cost, but, yes, we're

4307
05:43:01,506 --> 05:43:05,777
going to have a stabilizing fee, which is being adopted at much

4308
05:43:05,777 --> 05:43:08,513
higher rates, I will say, in other states throughout the

4309
05:43:08,513 --> 05:43:11,249
country. So, I have to be honest wu, I

4310
05:43:11,249 --> 05:43:14,518
know who is saying this is going to raise costs, it's the people

4311
05:43:14,518 --> 05:43:18,589
who have had the luxury of managing the benefit for the

4312
05:43:18,589 --> 05:43:21,859
last 20 years in this giant black box.

4313
05:43:21,859 --> 05:43:25,262
I don't blame them. They don't want to give up the

4314
05:43:25,262 --> 05:43:26,130
puck. I get it.

4315
05:43:26,130 --> 05:43:29,000
that being said, we're here worried about patients, worried

4316
05:43:29,000 --> 05:43:32,200
about payers, and, yes, we want stability in the pharmacy

4317
05:43:32,200 --> 05:43:35,739
community, but to say it's going to raise costs is bunk.

4318
05:43:35,739 --> 05:43:40,539
>> all right. Not to get bunk again, but

4319
05:43:44,282 --> 05:43:47,952
depending on when this passes, based on the number of

4320
05:43:47,952 --> 05:43:50,421
co-sponsors, it will, if and when this is adopted, the

4321
05:43:50,421 --> 05:43:54,158
requirements would take effect halfway through the commercial

4322
05:43:54,158 --> 05:43:57,895
rate year. And dfs is halfway through its

4323
05:43:57,895 --> 05:44:02,299
rate setting process for 2027 with the final rates for 2027 to

4324
05:44:02,299 --> 05:44:10,990
come out in august of this year. What would be the impact on

4325
05:44:10,307 --> 05:44:13,844
their determination of rates should this become adopted?

4326
05:44:13,844 --> 05:44:17,347
>> yeah, I personally don't believe there will be a negative

4327
05:44:17,347 --> 05:44:19,850
impact on rates. What people might not be aware

4328
05:44:19,850 --> 05:44:22,787
of, and we approved this last year in the budgets, is that,

4329
05:44:22,787 --> 05:44:26,323
for the first time in this state's history, we are actually

4330
05:44:26,323 --> 05:44:29,993
requiring the pbms and the health plans and actually the

4331
05:44:29,993 --> 05:44:33,664
manufacturers to actually provide what rebates they have

4332
05:44:33,664 --> 05:44:36,867
been receiving all these last 20, 30 years.

4333
05:44:36,867 --> 05:44:41,605
our healthcare premiums have been calculated on some kind of

4334
05:44:41,605 --> 05:44:48,805
drug spend but no one has been monitoring the has been monitore

4335
05:44:49,413 --> 05:44:53,130
rebates the pbm have been monitoring.

4336
05:44:54,686 --> 05:44:58,923
I don't know anybody who told me the prescription drug costs

4337
05:44:58,923 --> 05:45:01,558
where premiums are going down. We will now have full

4338
05:45:01,558 --> 05:45:03,894
transparency on the numbers to really get a better idea of what

4339
05:45:03,894 --> 05:45:07,494
the true cost of medications are.

4340
05:45:08,231 --> 05:45:13,437
does that answer your question? >> I want to thank the honorable

4341
05:45:13,437 --> 05:45:17,307
gentleman for his answers and madam speaker, I do want to say

4342
05:45:17,307 --> 05:45:21,612
it has been a pleasure to serve with you these past six years

4343
05:45:21,612 --> 05:45:27,151
and I wish you the best of luck as you continue to serve your

4344
05:45:27,151 --> 05:45:30,787
community in whatever way, shape or form that happens.

4345
05:45:30,787 --> 05:45:34,387
with that, thank you, madam speaker.

4346
05:45:53,343 --> 05:45:54,144
>> speaker: read the last section.

4347
05:45:54,144 --> 05:45:58,344
>> clerk: this act shall take effect january 1, 2027.

4348
05:45:58,415 --> 05:45:59,550
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote [voting in

4349
05:45:59,550 --> 05:46:03,150
progress]. Mr. Mcdonald to explain his

4350
05:46:13,960 --> 05:46:15,165
vote. >> I want to thank my colleagues

4351
05:46:15,165 --> 05:46:17,768
for their support. They have been remarkable, the

4352
05:46:17,768 --> 05:46:22,873
number of spores on sponsors on this bill I haven't so high in a

4353
05:46:22,873 --> 05:46:28,790
long period of time. I want to reiterate a couple of

4354
05:46:28,790 --> 05:46:30,180
things, pbms play a critical role in the healthcare system

4355
05:46:30,180 --> 05:46:33,918
but many of them have enjoyed this black box, the lack of

4356
05:46:33,918 --> 05:46:37,655
transparency, this opaque environment for a long period of

4357
05:46:37,655 --> 05:46:39,857
time. At the end of the day, this is

4358
05:46:39,857 --> 05:46:44,570
about taxpayer money. It's about our constituents'

4359
05:46:44,950 --> 05:46:47,531
money, what they pay in premium, what they pay if co-pays.

4360
05:46:47,531 --> 05:46:53,300
the claim that this will raise prescription drugs costs is a

4361
05:46:53,300 --> 05:46:58,608
very feeble attempt to maintain their control over a several

4362
05:46:58,608 --> 05:47:01,608
hundred billion-dollar a year industry.

4363
05:47:02,120 --> 05:47:04,415
the reality is we want them to do their job properly.

4364
05:47:04,415 --> 05:47:08,686
we want them to negotiate with the pharmaceutical companies.

4365
05:47:08,686 --> 05:47:13,157
this does not interrupt that negotiation for rebates by any

4366
05:47:13,157 --> 05:47:16,827
stretch of the imagination. But by the same token, we should

4367
05:47:16,827 --> 05:47:18,362
actually know where the benefit is going.

4368
05:47:18,362 --> 05:47:23,500
it's very easy to blame rising drug prices for the cost and

4369
05:47:23,500 --> 05:47:27,104
blame pharma and they do share some responsibility but by the

4370
05:47:27,104 --> 05:47:32,504
same token, the rebates sometime approaching 50% and the gpo

4371
05:47:33,844 --> 05:47:36,714
agreements asy with gives us the question, where is the money and

4372
05:47:36,714 --> 05:47:40,510
this is one large step in that transparency.

4373
05:47:40,510 --> 05:47:44,880
thank you, madam speaker. >> speaker: mr. Miller to

4374
05:47:44,880 --> 05:47:46,390
explain his vote. >> thank you, madam speaker, I

4375
05:47:46,390 --> 05:47:52,329
would like to explain my vote. I rise today in support of

4376
05:47:52,329 --> 05:47:55,666
a-5882 and want to begin by thanking the sponsor,

4377
05:47:55,666 --> 05:47:58,869
assemblyman mcdonald for his work on this important

4378
05:47:58,869 --> 05:48:00,771
legislation. I have been a proud co-sponsor

4379
05:48:00,771 --> 05:48:04,875
of this bill early on because I understand just how important

4380
05:48:04,875 --> 05:48:07,545
local pharmacies are on tower communities.

4381
05:48:07,545 --> 05:48:12,483
in many of our rural areas, access to healthcare services

4382
05:48:12,483 --> 05:48:15,886
can already be limited. And for many constituents, that

4383
05:48:15,886 --> 05:48:21,286
local pharmacy is often the most accessible healthcare resource

4384
05:48:21,758 --> 05:48:27,758
they v. These pharmacies do far more than fill precipitations--

4385
05:48:29,900 --> 05:48:32,169
prescription. They provide veax and healthcare

4386
05:48:32,169 --> 05:48:35,906
services close to home. When a local pharmacy closes, it

4387
05:48:35,906 --> 05:48:39,578
can mean residents, especially seniors and those with limited

4388
05:48:39,578 --> 05:48:44,480
transportation, must travel long distances just to access

4389
05:48:44,480 --> 05:48:46,984
medications and the care they need.

4390
05:48:46,984 --> 05:48:51,880
this bill is also important because many of these pharmacies

4391
05:48:51,880 --> 05:48:54,191
are small business. I have worked with pharmacies

4392
05:48:54,191 --> 05:48:58,529
throughout my district and have had firsthand-- and have heard

4393
05:48:58,529 --> 05:49:01,650
firsthand about the challenges they face.

4394
05:49:01,650 --> 05:49:05,200
they are employers, community partners and essential part of

4395
05:49:05,200 --> 05:49:09,202
our local economies. By supporting our independent

4396
05:49:09,673 --> 05:49:12,276
pharmacies, we are helping preserve access to healthcare

4397
05:49:12,276 --> 05:49:15,412
while are while also supporting the small businesses that keep

4398
05:49:15,412 --> 05:49:19,383
our communities strong. For those reasons, I proudly

4399
05:49:19,383 --> 05:49:21,818
vote yes and encourage my colleagues to do the same.

4400
05:49:21,818 --> 05:49:26,618
thank you, madam speaker. >> speaker: mr. Novakhov to

4401
05:49:29,494 --> 05:49:33,694
explain his vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4402
05:49:34,832 --> 05:49:38,635
and first of all, thank you to the sponsor of the bill,

4403
05:49:38,635 --> 05:49:40,971
mr. Mcdonald. Thank you very much proud to

4404
05:49:40,971 --> 05:49:45,909
support this bill, proud to vote yes on this bill and I'm a big

4405
05:49:45,909 --> 05:49:49,913
supporter of local pharmacists. I want to thank the pharmacy I

4406
05:49:49,913 --> 05:49:55,119
shop at, thank you, great service, and just want to say

4407
05:49:55,119 --> 05:49:58,719
that independent pharmacists, unfortunately closing across

4408
05:50:00,256 --> 05:50:03,600
new york because they're too often reimbursed below the

4409
05:50:03,600 --> 05:50:05,796
actual costs of the medication is they dispense when a local

4410
05:50:05,796 --> 05:50:09,996
pharmacy closes, seniors, working families and entire

4411
05:50:10,335 --> 05:50:15,135
communities lose access to essential healthcare services so

4412
05:50:15,939 --> 05:50:18,942
this bill helps ensure pharmacists are paid fairly.

4413
05:50:18,942 --> 05:50:24,342
the medications they provide and can serving our neighborhoods.

4414
05:50:24,415 --> 05:50:30,415
for this reason, I vote yes. Thank you, madam speaker.

4415
05:50:32,822 --> 05:50:37,220
>> speaker: mr. Cashman to explain his vote.

4416
05:50:37,694 --> 05:50:41,165
>> thank you very much, madam speaker, to explain my vote.

4417
05:50:41,165 --> 05:50:43,700
may I first say thank you mr. Sponsor for the incredible

4418
05:50:43,700 --> 05:50:45,235
work you have done in this arena.

4419
05:50:45,235 --> 05:50:48,571
you and I have engaged in many conversations and I've spoked

4420
05:50:48,571 --> 05:50:51,241
with all my constituents in the area and there are a lot of

4421
05:50:51,241 --> 05:50:53,343
conversation we need to get on the same page.

4422
05:50:53,343 --> 05:50:59,383
but what we arrived on is the thing that this chamber knows is

4423
05:50:59,383 --> 05:51:03,487
that rural america, rural america is having a tough time

4424
05:51:03,487 --> 05:51:06,990
with healthcare and that we need to open the aperture to the

4425
05:51:06,990 --> 05:51:10,861
entire system of our healthcare to really be able to lean in and

4426
05:51:10,861 --> 05:51:14,197
to make sure that we are protecting our community.

4427
05:51:14,197 --> 05:51:17,200
our pharmacists are at the very center of it.

4428
05:51:17,200 --> 05:51:21,405
from the newborn to the senior, they are caring for our

4429
05:51:21,405 --> 05:51:24,741
community. This bill helps protect small

4430
05:51:24,741 --> 05:51:27,544
businesses, and it also helps to protect our community.

4431
05:51:27,544 --> 05:51:29,346
and for that, I vote in the affirmative.

4432
05:51:29,346 --> 05:51:32,946
thank you. >> speaker: ms. Griffin to

4433
05:51:35,953 --> 05:51:39,289
explain her vote. >> thank you for allowing me to

4434
05:51:39,289 --> 05:51:43,560
explain my vote, madam speaker. I want to thank the sponsor for

4435
05:51:43,560 --> 05:51:46,960
bringing this measure forward. I was proud to co-sponsor and

4436
05:51:46,960 --> 05:51:50,167
advocate for this bill because this legislation is about

4437
05:51:50,167 --> 05:51:52,636
lowering prescription drugs costs for patients, keeping

4438
05:51:52,636 --> 05:51:56,730
neighborhood pharmacies open and adding transparency to drug

4439
05:51:56,730 --> 05:51:58,676
pricing practices. Our small neighborhood

4440
05:51:58,676 --> 05:52:02,379
pharmacies are disappearing and access to high quality

4441
05:52:02,379 --> 05:52:05,382
affordable care is diminished every time a local pharmacy is

4442
05:52:05,382 --> 05:52:08,118
forced to close their doors. Local pharmacies are the front

4443
05:52:08,118 --> 05:52:12,255
lines of our healthcare system. We know the benefits, services

4444
05:52:12,255 --> 05:52:15,258
and informed personal touches that our local pharmacies

4445
05:52:15,258 --> 05:52:18,528
provide in our communities. And we must ensure that they are

4446
05:52:18,528 --> 05:52:22,866
given the tools and the resources they need to keep

4447
05:52:22,866 --> 05:52:23,867
their doors open. Thank you.

4448
05:52:23,867 --> 05:52:29,267
I vote in the affirmative. >> speaker: ms. Glick to

4449
05:52:33,210 --> 05:52:35,545
explain her vote. >> thank you very much to

4450
05:52:35,545 --> 05:52:39,550
explain my vote briefly. I have an independent pharmacy

4451
05:52:39,550 --> 05:52:45,622
that I have been going to for a very long time and they are

4452
05:52:45,622 --> 05:52:51,761
vitally important to our community and so I want to thank

4453
05:52:51,761 --> 05:52:56,166
the sponsor for this measure and I also want to thank the sponsor

4454
05:52:56,166 --> 05:52:59,703
for his friendship through the years and the way in which he

4455
05:52:59,703 --> 05:53:05,103
has helped me navigate some particular issues relative to

4456
05:53:07,378 --> 05:53:11,514
healthcare. And so I want to thank him on a

4457
05:53:11,514 --> 05:53:16,860
point of personal privilege, I want to thank my colleagues for

4458
05:53:16,860 --> 05:53:22,326
their friendship and for sharing their lives with me, because we

4459
05:53:22,326 --> 05:53:26,463
spend so much of our time here. I withdraw my vote and vote in

4460
05:53:26,463 --> 05:53:28,463
the affirmative. [ applause ]

4461
05:53:48,180 --> 05:53:48,885
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4462
05:53:48,885 --> 05:53:52,485
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays 0.

4463
05:53:54,358 --> 05:53:59,158
>> speaker: the bill is passed. Page 11, rules report 470.

4464
05:54:04,777 --> 05:54:08,977
clerk will read. >> clerk: senate 2667 c rules

4465
05:54:11,917 --> 05:54:15,320
report 470, senator salazar, an act to amend the correction law

4466
05:54:15,320 --> 05:54:19,520
and the executive law. >> speaker: ms. Walsh.

4467
05:54:23,596 --> 05:54:26,331
>> thank you, madam speaker. I'll just go on the bill.

4468
05:54:26,331 --> 05:54:28,934
so this bill-- well, let me back up.

4469
05:54:28,934 --> 05:54:33,205
the correction law currently prohibits the use of restraints

4470
05:54:33,205 --> 05:54:36,609
on incarcerated pregnant women during labor, delivery and

4471
05:54:36,609 --> 05:54:40,209
post-partum recovery except in limited extraordinary

4472
05:54:40,345 --> 05:54:44,830
circumstances. There is also existing notice of

4473
05:54:44,830 --> 05:54:47,190
these protections and training for correctional personnel.

4474
05:54:47,190 --> 05:54:49,154
what this bill does is it expands it.

4475
05:54:49,154 --> 05:54:54,554
I would say greatly expands existing restriction and it

4476
05:54:54,694 --> 05:54:58,630
broadens current protections to apply not only during labor and

4477
05:54:58,630 --> 05:55:03,690
delivery but also during transport and medical care

4478
05:55:03,690 --> 05:55:09,690
related to pregnancy outcomes and for up to 12 weeks folly

4479
05:55:09,575 --> 05:55:12,575
birth, abortion, miscarriage or stillbirth.

4480
05:55:12,578 --> 05:55:16,782
the bill generally prohibits the use of restraints during these

4481
05:55:16,782 --> 05:55:20,185
periods except in limited emergency circumstances

4482
05:55:20,185 --> 05:55:25,924
involving an immediate risk of serious injury that cannot be

4483
05:55:25,924 --> 05:55:28,924
reasonably addressed by other means.

4484
05:55:29,394 --> 05:55:34,990
so that's the essence of why there will be no votes on this

4485
05:55:34,990 --> 05:55:37,699
bill. It raises operational and public

4486
05:55:37,803 --> 05:55:41,500
safety concerns it substantially limits the discretion of

4487
05:55:41,500 --> 05:55:43,750
correctional and law enforcement personnel.

4488
05:55:43,750 --> 05:55:47,275
it also imposes extensive documentation, reporting and

4489
05:55:48,213 --> 05:55:50,550
training requirements on correctional facilities and law

4490
05:55:50,550 --> 05:55:55,350
enforcement agencies which some may contend would create

4491
05:55:56,210 --> 05:55:58,623
significant administrative burdens and increase compliance

4492
05:55:58,623 --> 05:56:02,223
costs, particularly for smaller local jurisdictions.

4493
05:56:02,327 --> 05:56:06,498
for those reasons, it is opposed by the new york state sheriffs

4494
05:56:06,498 --> 05:56:09,301
association. They oppose the bill's expansion

4495
05:56:09,301 --> 05:56:12,905
of anti-shack ling restrictions and-- shackling restrictions and

4496
05:56:12,905 --> 05:56:15,974
limit on the use of force for pregnant individuals in custody

4497
05:56:15,974 --> 05:56:20,245
and argue the proposal is operationally unworkable and

4498
05:56:20,245 --> 05:56:24,445
could undermine officers' ability to safely maintain

4499
05:56:24,783 --> 05:56:28,530
custody and prevent escape. So for those reasons, I will be

4500
05:56:28,530 --> 05:56:30,255
voting in the negative. I would encourage my colleagues

4501
05:56:30,255 --> 05:56:35,655
to do the same. Thank you very much madam

4502
05:56:36,950 --> 05:56:39,950
speaker. >> speaker: read the last

4503
05:57:09,695 --> 05:57:10,562
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4504
05:57:10,562 --> 05:57:12,764
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4505
05:57:12,764 --> 05:57:16,364
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4506
05:57:39,525 --> 05:57:42,594
ms. Rosenthal to explain her vote.

4507
05:57:42,594 --> 05:57:46,565
>> thank you, madam speaker to explain my vote.

4508
05:57:46,565 --> 05:57:50,535
last month samantha gave birth in law enforcement custody in a

4509
05:57:50,535 --> 05:57:53,739
brooklyn courtroom there on a low level charge but because she

4510
05:57:53,739 --> 05:57:58,477
was in police custody and not incarcerated, our anti-shackling

4511
05:57:58,477 --> 05:58:02,548
laws did not protect her from this horrific experience.

4512
05:58:02,548 --> 05:58:05,884
her water broke as she was seated on a courtroom bench with

4513
05:58:05,884 --> 05:58:08,210
her hands cuffed behind her back.

4514
05:58:08,210 --> 05:58:10,422
the charges were dismissed two days later.

4515
05:58:10,422 --> 05:58:15,494
over the years, we've protected incarcerated women from this

4516
05:58:15,494 --> 05:58:18,196
barbaric practice. I'm proud we will soon offer

4517
05:58:18,196 --> 05:58:20,433
women in law enforcement custody the same protections.

4518
05:58:20,433 --> 05:58:23,368
these are vital protections that will help ensure these women can

4519
05:58:23,368 --> 05:58:27,305
give birth with dignity and receive the humane and

4520
05:58:27,305 --> 05:58:29,641
respectful care that they are entitled to.

4521
05:58:29,641 --> 05:58:35,460
I must thank claire dilan, jen ashley and her people, program

4522
05:58:35,460 --> 05:58:37,382
and council and the many advocates who offered their

4523
05:58:37,382 --> 05:58:41,582
knowledge and expertise, including dory lewis, sophie,

4524
05:58:42,721 --> 05:58:48,121
legal aid society, jena of nyclu, serena martin, plan

4525
05:58:49,394 --> 05:58:53,465
parenthood and so many more and of course the speaker for

4526
05:58:53,465 --> 05:58:55,000
getting this bill to the finish line.

4527
05:58:55,000 --> 05:58:59,200
I cast my vote in the affirmative.

4528
05:59:03,408 --> 05:59:07,800
>> speaker: ms. Rosenthal in the affirmative.

4529
05:59:10,615 --> 05:59:11,483
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4530
05:59:11,483 --> 05:59:15,830
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 119, nays 14.

4531
05:59:15,287 --> 05:59:20,870
>> speaker: the bill is passed. Page 7, rules report 291.

4532
05:59:21,560 --> 05:59:25,760
clerk will read. >> clerk: assembly 4018a rules

4533
05:59:26,232 --> 05:59:32,832
report 291, ms. Forest, an act to amend the public health law.

4534
05:59:35,574 --> 05:59:37,109
>> thank you, madam speaker, I will just go on the bill.

4535
05:59:37,109 --> 05:59:40,709
thank you. 2 so this bill requires--

4536
05:59:42,447 --> 05:59:43,515
>> speaker: excuse me. One second, please.

4537
05:59:43,515 --> 05:59:49,515
>> of course, yes, thank you. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4538
05:59:55,795 --> 06:00:02,395
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4539
06:00:03,680 --> 06:00:05,937
ms. Walsh. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4540
06:00:05,937 --> 06:00:11,210
so this bill would require hospitals and clinical staff

4541
06:00:11,210 --> 06:00:16,100
that provide perinatal care to implement an evidence-based

4542
06:00:18,317 --> 06:00:21,353
implicit bias program. Implicit bias program would be

4543
06:00:21,353 --> 06:00:25,624
placed to address racial and systemic bias in the healthcare

4544
06:00:25,624 --> 06:00:28,293
system through staff education and training.

4545
06:00:28,293 --> 06:00:33,693
it would require that clinical staff at every hospital

4546
06:00:35,501 --> 06:00:40,301
providing perinatal care to provide proof of certification

4547
06:00:41,172 --> 06:00:46,244
of a training program that would need to be done annually and

4548
06:00:46,244 --> 06:00:49,180
include instruction that time is wasting so I won't read them all

4549
06:00:49,180 --> 06:00:50,515
out there. It's a lot.

4550
06:00:50,515 --> 06:00:52,784
the bill would require the new york state department of

4551
06:00:52,784 --> 06:00:58,184
health to track data and statistics related to maternal

4552
06:01:02,928 --> 06:01:05,928
morbidity hemorrhage, hypertension, pre-eclampsia and

4553
06:01:09,134 --> 06:01:13,934
venus thromboembolism, sepsis accident and am nottic fluid

4554
06:01:15,941 --> 06:01:20,678
embolism. The doh has to publish the data

4555
06:01:20,678 --> 06:01:24,878
every two years. Issues ranging from infection

4556
06:01:32,423 --> 06:01:36,160
control practices to sepsis awareness and the reporting of

4557
06:01:36,160 --> 06:01:38,230
child abuse. Right now there is not a

4558
06:01:38,230 --> 06:01:41,366
statutory requirement that hospitals provide the training I

4559
06:01:41,366 --> 06:01:46,171
just described. So it is true, and we do not

4560
06:01:46,171 --> 06:01:49,771
dispute that minority patients, specifically african-american

4561
06:01:49,774 --> 06:01:53,311
patients are more than three times as likely to day die from

4562
06:01:53,311 --> 06:01:58,111
pregnancy related causes compared to white patients, but

4563
06:02:00,652 --> 06:02:06,652
I would say the development of an implicit bias training

4564
06:02:06,925 --> 06:02:10,395
program such as the one identified in this bill is not

4565
06:02:10,395 --> 06:02:13,798
necessary to raise awareness to that unfortunate statistic.

4566
06:02:13,798 --> 06:02:19,805
I believe that it is yet another government mandate, the cost of

4567
06:02:19,805 --> 06:02:22,407
which will be shouldered by the hospitals and not the state.

4568
06:02:22,407 --> 06:02:27,780
I think there is already awareness that this is a problem

4569
06:02:27,780 --> 06:02:30,949
I think care providers are doing what they can in an annual

4570
06:02:30,949 --> 06:02:36,349
implicit bias program is not really going to adequately

4571
06:02:39,291 --> 06:02:42,994
address this issue or result in anything meaningful so there

4572
06:02:42,994 --> 06:02:47,980
will likely be costs incurred to doh as a result of these

4573
06:02:47,980 --> 06:02:49,768
requirements and for that reason, there will be some of us

4574
06:02:49,768 --> 06:02:52,437
who will be opposing this legislation.

4575
06:02:52,437 --> 06:02:59,377
I would ask that folks consider it and I thank you, madam

4576
06:02:59,377 --> 06:03:02,377
speaker. >> speaker: read the last

4577
06:03:10,589 --> 06:03:13,525
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4578
06:03:13,525 --> 06:03:17,328
effect 180th day. >> speaker: a party vote has

4579
06:03:17,328 --> 06:03:19,931
been requested. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4580
06:03:19,931 --> 06:03:23,268
as I said, the republican conference is generally in the

4581
06:03:23,268 --> 06:03:26,872
negative on this piece of legislation, but if there are

4582
06:03:26,872 --> 06:03:28,207
exceptions they could be noted at the desk.

4583
06:03:28,207 --> 06:03:31,207
thank you. >> speaker: mr. Fall.

4584
06:03:31,209 --> 06:03:33,478
>> thank you, madam speaker. The majority conference will be

4585
06:03:33,478 --> 06:03:36,815
in the affirmative on this piece of legislation.

4586
06:03:36,815 --> 06:03:40,152
for those that would like to be an exception, they can do so

4587
06:03:40,152 --> 06:03:44,952
here in the chamber. >> speaker: the clerk will

4588
06:03:46,359 --> 06:03:49,959
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4589
06:04:04,109 --> 06:04:05,710
>> thank you, madam speaker to explain my vote.

4590
06:04:05,710 --> 06:04:08,713
as a nurse, I have seen what it looks like when a patient's pain

4591
06:04:08,713 --> 06:04:14,986
is not believed when a black woman's pain is dismissed, when

4592
06:04:14,986 --> 06:04:20,386
her concerns are minimized and her autonomy is ignored.

4593
06:04:20,525 --> 06:04:25,196
this is bias with a stethoscope. And as we clearly see the

4594
06:04:25,196 --> 06:04:27,999
results, black women are three times more as likely to

4595
06:04:27,999 --> 06:04:33,399
experience a pregnant-related death as white women and less

4596
06:04:35,340 --> 06:04:38,209
likely to receive treatment for the conditions that lead to that

4597
06:04:38,209 --> 06:04:40,812
death. Woo we cannot claim to be

4598
06:04:40,812 --> 06:04:46,170
progressive leaders while mothers of color are dying at

4599
06:04:46,170 --> 06:04:49,617
disproportionate rates. Month term mortality is

4600
06:04:51,623 --> 06:04:53,291
preventible. That's why I introduced the

4601
06:04:53,291 --> 06:04:56,495
dignity in child birth act requiring hospitals and other

4602
06:04:56,495 --> 06:04:59,297
birthing centers to inform expecting mothers of their

4603
06:04:59,297 --> 06:05:04,697
rights, how to file complaints, it also mandates evidence-based

4604
06:05:04,770 --> 06:05:09,570
implicit bias training for all facilities providing perinatal

4605
06:05:10,241 --> 06:05:13,378
care. And in undergoing implicit bias

4606
06:05:13,378 --> 06:05:17,716
training, healthcare providers can become aware of their biases

4607
06:05:17,716 --> 06:05:21,586
and learn strategies to mitigate their impact.

4608
06:05:21,586 --> 06:05:26,386
this can foster open communication with patients and

4609
06:05:26,791 --> 06:05:29,460
their colleagues, leading to improved patient satisfaction

4610
06:05:29,460 --> 06:05:32,998
and trust. And in the long run, addressing

4611
06:05:32,998 --> 06:05:37,269
these biases can contribute to health equity ensuring every

4612
06:05:37,269 --> 06:05:42,669
woman, regardless of her racial and ethnic background receive

4613
06:05:44,342 --> 06:05:49,214
high quality and respectful care during child birth and this in

4614
06:05:49,214 --> 06:05:51,883
turn can save mothers. Every person deserves dignity

4615
06:05:51,883 --> 06:05:56,210
and respect as they navigate their pregnancy, delivery and

4616
06:05:56,210 --> 06:05:57,623
post-partum experience. The quality of care they receive

4617
06:05:57,623 --> 06:06:03,230
should never suffer because of the patient's unique racial.

4618
06:06:06,264 --> 06:06:12,264
I vote in the affirmative. >> speaker: are there any other

4619
06:06:15,639 --> 06:06:18,390
votes? Announce the results.

4620
06:06:20,450 --> 06:06:24,845
>> clerk: ayes 91, nays 42. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4621
06:06:28,186 --> 06:06:31,389
mr. Fall. >> madam speaker, members have

4622
06:06:31,389 --> 06:06:36,327
on their desk, the c calendar, I now move to advance the c

4623
06:06:36,327 --> 06:06:42,327
calendar and I ask that we take it up immediately.

4624
06:06:52,543 --> 06:06:56,810
page 4, rules report 557, clerk will read.

4625
06:06:56,810 --> 06:06:58,810
>> >> clerk: assembly 1755 a.

4626
06:06:59,884 --> 06:07:05,220
report 557 ms. Reyes, an act to amend the social services

4627
06:07:05,220 --> 06:07:05,758
law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4628
06:07:05,758 --> 06:07:12,358
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4629
06:07:12,563 --> 06:07:16,233
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4630
06:07:16,233 --> 06:07:17,369
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4631
06:07:17,369 --> 06:07:20,969
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4632
06:08:10,288 --> 06:08:11,157
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4633
06:08:11,157 --> 06:08:13,825
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 129 nays 4.

4634
06:08:13,825 --> 06:08:18,625
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 2612 rules

4635
06:08:18,630 --> 06:08:23,434
report 558 mr. Bendett, an act to amend the criminal procedure

4636
06:08:23,434 --> 06:08:26,434
law. >> speaker: read the last

4637
06:08:28,380 --> 06:08:29,241
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4638
06:08:29,241 --> 06:08:30,375
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4639
06:08:30,375 --> 06:08:33,975
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4640
06:09:38,420 --> 06:09:38,909
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4641
06:09:38,909 --> 06:09:40,978
announce the results. >> clerk: aye sz 31 nays 2.

4642
06:09:40,978 --> 06:09:45,183
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 5456b rules

4643
06:09:45,183 --> 06:09:49,540
report 559 mr. E brown an act to amend the tax law.

4644
06:09:49,540 --> 06:09:51,722
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4645
06:09:51,722 --> 06:09:56,795
the senate bill is advanced. Home rule message is at the

4646
06:09:56,795 --> 06:09:59,795
desk. Read the last section.

4647
06:09:59,864 --> 06:10:00,932
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4648
06:10:00,932 --> 06:10:02,600
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4649
06:10:02,600 --> 06:10:07,400
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

4650
06:11:08,210 --> 06:11:09,822
votes? Announce the results.

4651
06:11:09,822 --> 06:11:14,622
>> clerk: ayes 117 nays 16. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4652
06:11:14,960 --> 06:11:19,498
>> clerk: assembly 5574 rules report 560 mr. Barclay, an act

4653
06:11:19,498 --> 06:11:22,235
to amend the county law. >> speaker: home rule message is

4654
06:11:22,235 --> 06:11:26,435
at the desk. Read the last section.

4655
06:11:26,439 --> 06:11:28,107
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4656
06:11:28,107 --> 06:11:29,108
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4657
06:11:29,108 --> 06:11:33,908
[voting in progress] >> are there any other votes?

4658
06:12:24,829 --> 06:12:28,367
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays 0.

4659
06:12:28,367 --> 06:12:32,571
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 6405 rules

4660
06:12:32,571 --> 06:12:37,443
report 561, mr. Palmesano, an act to amend the criminal

4661
06:12:37,443 --> 06:12:38,378
procedure law. >> speaker: read the last

4662
06:12:38,378 --> 06:12:40,112
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4663
06:12:40,112 --> 06:12:41,181
effect immediateally. >> speaker: the clerk will

4664
06:12:41,181 --> 06:12:44,781
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4665
06:14:00,526 --> 06:14:01,394
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4666
06:14:01,394 --> 06:14:04,994
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 130, nays 3.

4667
06:14:05,330 --> 06:14:09,935
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 7267 rules

4668
06:14:09,935 --> 06:14:14,672
report 562 mr. Sempolinski, an act in relation to authorizing

4669
06:14:14,672 --> 06:14:19,277
the city of olean assessor to accept an application.

4670
06:14:19,277 --> 06:14:20,780
>> speaker: read the last section.

4671
06:14:20,780 --> 06:14:21,212
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4672
06:14:21,212 --> 06:14:23,349
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4673
06:14:23,349 --> 06:14:28,149
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

4674
06:15:15,868 --> 06:15:18,268
votes? Announce the results.

4675
06:15:18,270 --> 06:15:23,174
>> clerk: ayes 133, nay 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4676
06:15:23,174 --> 06:15:26,178
>> clerk: assembly 7386a rules report 563 mr. Gallahan, an

4677
06:15:26,178 --> 06:15:30,482
act in lelings to authorizing sergeant bethany kidd to receive

4678
06:15:30,482 --> 06:15:35,282
certain service credit. >> speaker: home rule message is

4679
06:15:37,210 --> 06:15:39,958
at the desk. Read the last section.

4680
06:15:39,958 --> 06:15:41,260
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4681
06:15:41,260 --> 06:15:43,628
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4682
06:15:43,628 --> 06:15:47,433
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you very much madam

4683
06:15:47,433 --> 06:15:54,539
speaker, so I rise to support this bill on behalf of seeing

4684
06:15:54,539 --> 06:15:58,176
that sergeant bethany kidd will receive some service credit

4685
06:15:58,176 --> 06:16:03,480
under a 20 year retirement plan and I would like to know this is

4686
06:16:03,480 --> 06:16:07,853
mr. Gallahan's last bill. He is ending his service in the

4687
06:16:07,853 --> 06:16:11,256
new york state assembly representing the is 31st

4688
06:16:11,256 --> 06:16:14,392
district elected in 2020. Jeff has brought a wealth of

4689
06:16:14,392 --> 06:16:17,196
real world experience to public office.

4690
06:16:17,196 --> 06:16:20,660
he is always advocating for working families and small

4691
06:16:20,660 --> 06:16:24,403
businesses but I will always think of him as just chef jeff.

4692
06:16:24,403 --> 06:16:30,142
he always had the best food. He fed more of us here during

4693
06:16:30,142 --> 06:16:32,478
his time in albany than anybody can I think of.

4694
06:16:32,478 --> 06:16:36,815
he and his wife have a catering business and I will always think

4695
06:16:36,815 --> 06:16:41,860
of him of being in the lineup at maple day back in the lounge and

4696
06:16:41,860 --> 06:16:43,756
taking care of all of us there. We want to all wish jeff the

4697
06:16:43,756 --> 06:16:47,392
very best as he moves from the assembly and we want to thank

4698
06:16:47,392 --> 06:16:52,164
him for his service to our conference and to his district.

4699
06:16:52,164 --> 06:16:53,899
so thank you very much madam speaker.

4700
06:16:53,899 --> 06:16:55,899
[ applause ] s.

4701
06:17:12,984 --> 06:17:13,852
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4702
06:17:13,852 --> 06:17:17,452
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nays 0.

4703
06:17:18,390 --> 06:17:22,662
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 7884b rules

4704
06:17:22,662 --> 06:17:25,730
report 564, mr. Fitzpatrick, an act in relation to

4705
06:17:25,730 --> 06:17:29,868
authorizing the town of smithtown assessor to accept an

4706
06:17:29,868 --> 06:17:32,300
application. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4707
06:17:32,300 --> 06:17:36,674
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4708
06:17:36,674 --> 06:17:38,609
read the last section. >>

4709
06:17:38,609 --> 06:17:39,811
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4710
06:17:39,811 --> 06:17:41,790
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4711
06:17:41,790 --> 06:17:45,879
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4712
06:18:22,921 --> 06:18:25,321
votes? Announce the results.

4713
06:18:26,858 --> 06:18:30,729
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 1. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4714
06:18:30,729 --> 06:18:34,533
>> clerk: assembly 7986a rules report 565 mr. K. Brown an act

4715
06:18:34,533 --> 06:18:40,271
in relation to authorizing the centerport fire district to file

4716
06:18:40,271 --> 06:18:43,871
an application. >> speaker: read the last

4717
06:18:47,346 --> 06:18:48,279
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4718
06:18:48,279 --> 06:18:49,214
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4719
06:18:49,214 --> 06:18:52,814
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4720
06:18:54,886 --> 06:18:59,691
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4721
06:18:59,691 --> 06:19:04,295
I raise to support this bill and to note the milestone this is

4722
06:19:04,295 --> 06:19:08,234
keith brown's last bill here serving in the new york state

4723
06:19:08,234 --> 06:19:11,834
assembly on behalf of assembly district 12.

4724
06:19:12,771 --> 06:19:15,306
keith has been one of my good friends and a friend to many of

4725
06:19:15,306 --> 06:19:18,243
us. He has been a strong advocate.

4726
06:19:18,243 --> 06:19:21,346
I especially think about the important work that he has been

4727
06:19:21,346 --> 06:19:28,546
doing and probably will continue to do as a person on the

4728
06:19:28,787 --> 06:19:32,723
alcoholism committee and particularly the work he has

4729
06:19:32,723 --> 06:19:37,863
been doing shining a light on co-occurring disorders with

4730
06:19:37,863 --> 06:19:40,399
alcoholism and mental health issues.

4731
06:19:40,399 --> 06:19:43,680
as an attorney he has brought real expertise to the body and I

4732
06:19:43,680 --> 06:19:46,271
know as he continues in his practice, he will continue to

4733
06:19:46,271 --> 06:19:49,408
probably reflect well, hopefully on his time here in the

4734
06:19:49,408 --> 06:19:51,176
assembly. It's been a privilege to serve

4735
06:19:51,176 --> 06:19:53,611
with keith. And it's been a real privilege

4736
06:19:53,611 --> 06:19:56,481
to travel with him, too, on the off season.

4737
06:19:56,481 --> 06:20:00,886
we had a great trip together to ireland.

4738
06:20:00,886 --> 06:20:03,621
so we thank him for his leadership and his dedication.

4739
06:20:03,621 --> 06:20:07,492
we wish him the best as he moves ahead.

4740
06:20:07,492 --> 06:20:10,492
thank you, madam speaker. [ applause ]

4741
06:20:22,640 --> 06:20:23,508
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4742
06:20:23,508 --> 06:20:27,179
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nay 0z.

4743
06:20:27,179 --> 06:20:31,979
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 8514 rules

4744
06:20:32,317 --> 06:20:36,654
report 566 mr. Burger, an act to amend the surrogate court

4745
06:20:36,654 --> 06:20:39,258
procedure act. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4746
06:20:39,258 --> 06:20:40,526
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4747
06:20:40,526 --> 06:20:43,562
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4748
06:20:43,562 --> 06:20:44,597
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4749
06:20:44,597 --> 06:20:49,397
record the vote. >> speaker: are there any other

4750
06:21:27,906 --> 06:21:30,306
votes? Announce the results.

4751
06:21:30,708 --> 06:21:35,113
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 1. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4752
06:21:35,113 --> 06:21:39,117
>> clerk: assembly 8577 a rules report 567 mr. Riley, an act

4753
06:21:39,117 --> 06:21:42,654
to amend the authorize frank r. Smith to receive performance of

4754
06:21:42,654 --> 06:21:47,454
duty retirement benefits. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4755
06:21:50,930 --> 06:21:55,600
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4756
06:21:55,600 --> 06:21:56,334
home rule message is at the desk.

4757
06:21:56,334 --> 06:21:59,304
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4758
06:21:59,304 --> 06:22:00,873
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4759
06:22:00,873 --> 06:22:04,473
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4760
06:22:38,443 --> 06:22:39,310
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4761
06:22:39,310 --> 06:22:42,180
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 133, nay 0z.

4762
06:22:42,180 --> 06:22:47,580
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> assembly 8805a rules report

4763
06:22:48,954 --> 06:22:51,990
568 mr. Beep debt, an act to amend the highway law.

4764
06:22:51,990 --> 06:22:53,192
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4765
06:22:53,192 --> 06:22:58,592
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4766
06:22:58,663 --> 06:23:00,131
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4767
06:23:00,131 --> 06:23:01,000
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4768
06:23:01,000 --> 06:23:05,800
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4769
06:23:51,584 --> 06:23:53,840
votes? Announce the results.

4770
06:23:53,840 --> 06:23:57,455
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4771
06:23:57,455 --> 06:24:00,325
>> clerk: assembly 8809b rules report 569 ms. Giglio, an act

4772
06:24:00,325 --> 06:24:04,620
to amend the chapter 495 of the laws of 2011.

4773
06:24:04,620 --> 06:24:05,263
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4774
06:24:05,263 --> 06:24:11,604
the senate bill is advanced home rule message is at the desk.

4775
06:24:11,604 --> 06:24:14,338
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4776
06:24:14,338 --> 06:24:15,273
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4777
06:24:15,273 --> 06:24:18,873
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4778
06:24:51,843 --> 06:24:53,444
>> are there any other votes? Announce the results.

4779
06:24:53,444 --> 06:24:57,982
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4780
06:24:57,982 --> 06:25:02,782
>> clerk: assembly 8894a rules report 570 mr. Blumencranz, an

4781
06:25:02,788 --> 06:25:08,326
act authorizing the county of nassau assessor to accept an

4782
06:25:08,326 --> 06:25:09,194
application. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4783
06:25:09,194 --> 06:25:14,532
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4784
06:25:14,532 --> 06:25:16,134
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4785
06:25:16,134 --> 06:25:17,536
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4786
06:25:17,536 --> 06:25:22,336
record the vote. >> are there any other votes?

4787
06:26:10,550 --> 06:26:13,655
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

4788
06:26:14,125 --> 06:26:18,129
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 8903 c rules

4789
06:26:18,129 --> 06:26:21,733
report 571 mr. Slater, an act in relation to authorizing the

4790
06:26:21,733 --> 06:26:25,470
county of putnam to release certain lands as park lands.

4791
06:26:25,470 --> 06:26:26,672
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4792
06:26:26,672 --> 06:26:30,409
the senate bill is advanced. Home rule message is at the

4793
06:26:30,409 --> 06:26:33,409
desk. Read the last section.

4794
06:26:33,811 --> 06:26:35,413
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4795
06:26:35,413 --> 06:26:39,613
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4796
06:27:19,666 --> 06:27:20,401
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4797
06:27:20,401 --> 06:27:24,100
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131, nays 1.

4798
06:27:24,738 --> 06:27:29,143
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 8962b rules

4799
06:27:29,143 --> 06:27:33,146
report 572, mr. Rozic, an act to amend the general business

4800
06:27:33,146 --> 06:27:33,881
law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4801
06:27:33,881 --> 06:27:38,151
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced read

4802
06:27:38,151 --> 06:27:41,870
the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4803
06:27:41,870 --> 06:27:42,891
effect on the 60th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

4804
06:27:42,891 --> 06:27:46,491
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4805
06:28:18,191 --> 06:28:19,590
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4806
06:28:19,590 --> 06:28:21,862
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131, nays 1.

4807
06:28:21,862 --> 06:28:26,533
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 9200 rules

4808
06:28:26,533 --> 06:28:30,737
report 573, mr. Barclay,an act to amend the not-for-profit

4809
06:28:30,737 --> 06:28:31,739
corporation law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4810
06:28:31,739 --> 06:28:34,741
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4811
06:28:34,741 --> 06:28:38,945
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4812
06:28:38,945 --> 06:28:39,881
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4813
06:28:39,881 --> 06:28:43,481
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4814
06:29:19,919 --> 06:29:20,787
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4815
06:29:20,787 --> 06:29:23,724
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

4816
06:29:23,724 --> 06:29:27,994
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 9214a rules

4817
06:29:27,994 --> 06:29:31,330
report 574, ms. Paulin, an act to amend the penal law.

4818
06:29:31,330 --> 06:29:32,800
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4819
06:29:32,800 --> 06:29:38,200
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4820
06:29:38,205 --> 06:29:39,206
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4821
06:29:39,206 --> 06:29:40,340
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4822
06:29:40,340 --> 06:29:45,140
[voting in progress]. >> are there any other votes?

4823
06:30:13,107 --> 06:30:17,307
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes is 32, nays 0.

4824
06:30:18,440 --> 06:30:22,516
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 9408 rules

4825
06:30:22,516 --> 06:30:25,786
report 575 mr. Jensen,an act to amend the law.

4826
06:30:25,786 --> 06:30:27,188
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4827
06:30:27,188 --> 06:30:31,725
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4828
06:30:31,725 --> 06:30:34,600
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4829
06:30:34,600 --> 06:30:34,929
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4830
06:30:34,929 --> 06:30:39,729
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

4831
06:31:08,362 --> 06:31:10,960
votes? Announce the results.

4832
06:31:10,960 --> 06:31:14,896
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4833
06:31:14,901 --> 06:31:18,372
>> clerk: assembly 1005 is rules report 576, mr. Bologna.

4834
06:31:18,372 --> 06:31:22,943
an act in relation to establishing the clearance

4835
06:31:22,943 --> 06:31:23,844
volunteer benevolent association.

4836
06:31:23,844 --> 06:31:25,113
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4837
06:31:25,113 --> 06:31:30,513
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

4838
06:31:31,317 --> 06:31:32,385
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4839
06:31:32,385 --> 06:31:33,254
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4840
06:31:33,254 --> 06:31:38,540
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4841
06:32:21,302 --> 06:32:23,570
votes? Announce the results.

4842
06:32:23,570 --> 06:32:28,370
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4843
06:32:29,376 --> 06:32:33,314
>> clerk: 1009 the rules report 577 mr. Sempolinski, an act to

4844
06:32:33,314 --> 06:32:35,782
amend the tax law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4845
06:32:35,782 --> 06:32:39,719
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4846
06:32:39,719 --> 06:32:43,623
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4847
06:32:43,623 --> 06:32:44,724
effect-- sorry, home rule message is at the desk.

4848
06:32:44,724 --> 06:32:48,796
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4849
06:32:48,796 --> 06:32:52,133
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4850
06:32:52,133 --> 06:32:55,733
record the vote [voting in progress].

4851
06:34:36,569 --> 06:34:37,438
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4852
06:34:37,438 --> 06:34:41,638
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes ayes 110, nays

4853
06:34:42,242 --> 06:34:44,711
22. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4854
06:34:44,711 --> 06:34:48,248
>> clerk: assembly 10373, rules report 578, mr. Simpson, an

4855
06:34:48,248 --> 06:34:51,985
act in relation to authorizing the county of warren to offer an

4856
06:34:51,985 --> 06:34:53,453
optional 20-year retirement plan.

4857
06:34:53,453 --> 06:34:54,655
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4858
06:34:54,655 --> 06:34:59,658
the senate bill is advanced home rule message is at the desk.

4859
06:34:59,658 --> 06:35:02,529
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4860
06:35:02,529 --> 06:35:04,630
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4861
06:35:04,630 --> 06:35:07,663
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4862
06:35:34,627 --> 06:35:35,495
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4863
06:35:35,495 --> 06:35:38,231
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

4864
06:35:38,231 --> 06:35:43,310
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10382 rules

4865
06:35:43,836 --> 06:35:47,373
report 579 mr. Ra, an act relating to a death benefit

4866
06:35:47,373 --> 06:35:52,173
option for the beneficiary of justice jerry garguilo.

4867
06:35:54,114 --> 06:35:55,315
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4868
06:35:55,315 --> 06:36:00,320
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

4869
06:36:00,320 --> 06:36:01,387
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4870
06:36:01,387 --> 06:36:02,254
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4871
06:36:02,254 --> 06:36:07,540
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

4872
06:36:47,835 --> 06:36:50,169
votes? Announce the results.

4873
06:36:50,169 --> 06:36:53,773
>> joe: ayes 132, nay 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4874
06:36:53,773 --> 06:36:58,573
>> clerk: 'em assembly is 0455 rules report 580 ms. Kelles,

4875
06:37:00,514 --> 06:37:03,450
an act to amend the vehicle and traffic law and public officers

4876
06:37:03,450 --> 06:37:04,183
law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4877
06:37:04,183 --> 06:37:06,786
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4878
06:37:06,786 --> 06:37:07,520
home rule message is at the desk.

4879
06:37:07,520 --> 06:37:11,124
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4880
06:37:11,124 --> 06:37:13,327
effect on the 30th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

4881
06:37:13,327 --> 06:37:16,927
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4882
06:38:32,338 --> 06:38:33,205
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4883
06:38:33,205 --> 06:38:36,805
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 115 nays 17.

4884
06:38:38,878 --> 06:38:41,213
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10 had 80

4885
06:38:41,213 --> 06:38:45,952
rules report 581 mr. Bologna. An act to amend the chapter 389

4886
06:38:45,952 --> 06:38:48,355
of the laws of 2024. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4887
06:38:48,355 --> 06:38:50,490
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4888
06:38:50,490 --> 06:38:52,892
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4889
06:38:52,892 --> 06:38:54,293
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4890
06:38:54,293 --> 06:38:57,893
record the vote. [voting in progress]

4891
06:40:16,420 --> 06:40:16,776
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4892
06:40:16,776 --> 06:40:20,376
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131, nays 1.

4893
06:40:20,446 --> 06:40:25,246
>> speaker: the bill is passed assembly 10573 rules report 582,

4894
06:40:29,321 --> 06:40:31,390
mr. Dipietro, an act to amend the general municipal law.

4895
06:40:31,390 --> 06:40:32,658
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4896
06:40:32,658 --> 06:40:33,725
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4897
06:40:33,725 --> 06:40:37,630
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4898
06:40:37,630 --> 06:40:41,263
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4899
06:41:07,827 --> 06:41:08,694
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4900
06:41:08,694 --> 06:41:09,896
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes is 31, nay 0z.

4901
06:41:09,896 --> 06:41:13,567
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10596a rules

4902
06:41:13,567 --> 06:41:17,703
report 583, mr. Tague, an act to amend the alcoholic beverage

4903
06:41:17,703 --> 06:41:18,705
control law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4904
06:41:18,705 --> 06:41:20,440
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4905
06:41:20,440 --> 06:41:24,400
read the last assembly 10636 rules report 584,

4906
06:42:10,890 --> 06:42:11,891
mr. Ramos. An act to amend the highway law.

4907
06:42:11,891 --> 06:42:13,158
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4908
06:42:13,158 --> 06:42:16,829
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4909
06:42:16,829 --> 06:42:17,830
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4910
06:42:17,830 --> 06:42:18,831
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4911
06:42:18,831 --> 06:42:23,631
[voting in progress]. >> are there any other votes?

4912
06:42:59,204 --> 06:43:00,939
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

4913
06:43:00,939 --> 06:43:04,362
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly is 0636,

4914
06:43:04,362 --> 06:43:08,562
rules report 586-- oops. Assembly 10666 rules report 585

4915
06:43:13,704 --> 06:43:17,507
mr. Blankenbush, an act to repeal title 5 of article so c

4916
06:43:17,507 --> 06:43:22,580
of the public authorities law. >> home rule message at the

4917
06:43:22,580 --> 06:43:23,915
desk. Read the last section.

4918
06:43:23,915 --> 06:43:24,849
>> >> clerk: this act shall take

4919
06:43:24,849 --> 06:43:25,916
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4920
06:43:25,916 --> 06:43:26,784
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4921
06:43:26,784 --> 06:43:33,190
mr. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker not

4922
06:43:33,190 --> 06:43:38,610
only do I support this fine piece of legislation for the

4923
06:43:38,610 --> 06:43:41,610
clifton fine health care corporation.

4924
06:43:41,665 --> 06:43:44,935
this is the last bill that mr. Blankenbush is passing as

4925
06:43:44,935 --> 06:43:47,605
a member of the assembly to recognize his service to this

4926
06:43:47,605 --> 06:43:51,610
body and to the 117th assembly district.

4927
06:43:51,610 --> 06:43:55,110
he has been our ranker on the insurance committee.

4928
06:43:55,110 --> 06:43:59,950
he has a deep background in the insurance industry, is a real

4929
06:43:59,950 --> 06:44:03,354
wealth of knowledge and just a huge proponent for the north

4930
06:44:03,354 --> 06:44:07,910
country that is just so much a part of his heart.

4931
06:44:07,910 --> 06:44:12,163
he and his wife sheila are hopefully going to enjoy many

4932
06:44:12,163 --> 06:44:14,231
happy years of retirement together and I know the crew

4933
06:44:14,231 --> 06:44:17,768
that goes to ralph will definitely miss

4934
06:44:17,768 --> 06:44:20,204
mr. Blankenbush but we will be sad to see him go but just want

4935
06:44:20,204 --> 06:44:22,841
to take a moment to thank him for his years of service.

4936
06:44:22,841 --> 06:44:24,841
thank you. [ applause ]

4937
06:44:38,456 --> 06:44:39,190
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4938
06:44:39,190 --> 06:44:40,991
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z.

4939
06:44:40,991 --> 06:44:45,791
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10689 rules

4940
06:44:46,598 --> 06:44:52,598
report 586 mr. Slater, an act to amend the executive law.

4941
06:44:56,600 --> 06:44:57,207
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4942
06:44:57,207 --> 06:44:58,742
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4943
06:44:58,742 --> 06:44:59,810
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4944
06:44:59,810 --> 06:45:00,678
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4945
06:45:00,678 --> 06:45:05,478
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4946
06:46:11,949 --> 06:46:13,150
votes? Announce the results.

4947
06:46:13,150 --> 06:46:16,750
>> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z absentee ballot.

4948
06:46:17,220 --> 06:46:21,158
>> clerk: assembly 106 3 rules report 587, mr. Smullen, an

4949
06:46:21,158 --> 06:46:25,296
act to amend the tax law. >> speaker: home rule message is

4950
06:46:25,296 --> 06:46:26,362
at the desk. Read the last section.

4951
06:46:26,362 --> 06:46:27,430
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4952
06:46:27,430 --> 06:46:28,498
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4953
06:46:28,498 --> 06:46:33,298
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4954
06:47:46,577 --> 06:47:48,977
votes? Announce the results.

4955
06:47:49,312 --> 06:47:53,984
>> clerk: ayes 128 nays had. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4956
06:47:53,984 --> 06:47:57,588
>> clerk: assembly 10704 rules report 588 ms. Shrestha, an

4957
06:47:57,588 --> 06:48:02,526
act to allow steven kobie jackson to be eligible to take

4958
06:48:02,526 --> 06:48:05,129
the civil service exam. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4959
06:48:05,129 --> 06:48:09,660
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced home

4960
06:48:09,660 --> 06:48:12,870
rule message is at the desk. Read the last section.

4961
06:48:12,870 --> 06:48:13,937
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4962
06:48:13,937 --> 06:48:14,938
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4963
06:48:14,938 --> 06:48:19,738
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4964
06:48:48,238 --> 06:48:48,906
votes? Announce the results.

4965
06:48:48,906 --> 06:48:51,508
>> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4966
06:48:51,508 --> 06:48:54,378
>> clerk: assembly 10741 rules report 589, ms. Paulin, an act

4967
06:48:54,378 --> 06:48:58,482
to amend the state finance law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

4968
06:48:58,482 --> 06:48:59,783
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

4969
06:48:59,783 --> 06:49:03,387
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4970
06:49:03,387 --> 06:49:04,789
effect on the 180th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

4971
06:49:04,789 --> 06:49:08,389
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4972
06:49:33,817 --> 06:49:34,684
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

4973
06:49:34,684 --> 06:49:37,955
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z.

4974
06:49:37,955 --> 06:49:43,355
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10792a rules

4975
06:49:44,160 --> 06:49:49,700
report 590 ms. Bailey, an act to amend the highway law.

4976
06:49:49,700 --> 06:49:50,902
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

4977
06:49:50,902 --> 06:49:53,636
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

4978
06:49:53,636 --> 06:49:54,704
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

4979
06:49:54,704 --> 06:49:55,573
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

4980
06:49:55,573 --> 06:50:00,373
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

4981
06:50:30,473 --> 06:50:31,141
votes? Announce the results.

4982
06:50:31,141 --> 06:50:35,412
>> clerk: ayes is 32, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

4983
06:50:35,412 --> 06:50:39,120
>> clerk: assembly 108 is 3 rules report 5 the 1,

4984
06:50:40,351 --> 06:50:43,153
mr. Blumencranz. An act authorizing the county of

4985
06:50:43,153 --> 06:50:45,755
nassau to accept an application. >> speaker: read the last

4986
06:50:45,755 --> 06:50:46,557
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

4987
06:50:46,557 --> 06:50:47,891
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

4988
06:50:47,891 --> 06:50:51,491
record the vote. [voting in progress].

4989
06:50:57,901 --> 06:50:59,102
>> speaker: mr. Blume especially crans to explain his

4990
06:50:59,102 --> 06:50:59,969
vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

4991
06:50:59,969 --> 06:51:02,505
I'm really proud today to be standing before this piece of

4992
06:51:02,505 --> 06:51:06,276
legislation in the house, creating connections and

4993
06:51:06,276 --> 06:51:08,644
building bridges within communities and different

4994
06:51:08,644 --> 06:51:12,782
nations who are constantly trying to reach out to our

4995
06:51:12,782 --> 06:51:15,520
constituents is imperative. It's a pleasure to see this on

4996
06:51:15,520 --> 06:51:18,121
the board today and see this great work getting done.

4997
06:51:18,121 --> 06:51:20,991
thank you. >> speaker: mr. Blumencranz in

4998
06:51:20,991 --> 06:51:25,191
the affirmative. >> speaker: are there any other

4999
06:51:33,603 --> 06:51:34,738
votes? Announce the results.

5000
06:51:34,738 --> 06:51:39,743
>> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5001
06:51:39,743 --> 06:51:44,347
>> clerk: assembly 10898b rules report 529 mr. Blumencranz, an

5002
06:51:44,347 --> 06:51:48,951
act authorizing the hicksville water district to receive

5003
06:51:48,951 --> 06:51:51,621
retroactive real property tax exempt status.

5004
06:51:51,621 --> 06:51:52,822
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5005
06:51:52,822 --> 06:51:56,692
the senate bill is advanced. -- read the last section.

5006
06:51:56,692 --> 06:51:58,280
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5007
06:51:58,280 --> 06:51:59,290
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5008
06:51:59,290 --> 06:52:04,429
[voting in progress]. Ms. Walsh to explain her vote.

5009
06:52:14,440 --> 06:52:20,316
>> thank you, madam speaker. I would like to say that this is

5010
06:52:20,316 --> 06:52:22,986
jay blumencranz's last bill that he is passing here in the

5011
06:52:22,986 --> 06:52:24,587
assembly. Jake is more of a relative

5012
06:52:24,587 --> 06:52:28,125
newcomer here, right? He was elected in 2022, he has

5013
06:52:28,125 --> 06:52:30,126
always been such a dependable person to handle some of the

5014
06:52:30,126 --> 06:52:33,463
really tough debates that we have had with some of the most

5015
06:52:33,463 --> 06:52:36,332
complex tech issues that we've had and pretty much anything

5016
06:52:36,332 --> 06:52:39,802
else that we threw at him. So I also remember a really

5017
06:52:39,802 --> 06:52:42,539
great trip to ireland that we had together, so that was a

5018
06:52:42,539 --> 06:52:47,339
great time. He probably will be somebody we

5019
06:52:47,543 --> 06:52:49,880
will continue to see in the coming years but we wanted to

5020
06:52:49,880 --> 06:52:53,830
take a moment to say thank you for serving here in the peoples

5021
06:52:53,830 --> 06:52:58,688
house on behalf of the 15th, right, 15th assembly district

5022
06:52:58,688 --> 06:53:00,491
and wish you best as you go forward.

5023
06:53:00,491 --> 06:53:02,491
thank you. [ applause ]

5024
06:53:35,925 --> 06:53:36,793
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5025
06:53:36,793 --> 06:53:40,230
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z.

5026
06:53:40,230 --> 06:53:45,630
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 10906a rules

5027
06:53:46,669 --> 06:53:52,669
report 593, mr. Exclude ski, the senate bill is before the

5028
06:53:53,943 --> 06:53:55,879
house, the senate bill is advanced.

5029
06:53:55,879 --> 06:53:56,680
>> speaker: read the last section.

5030
06:53:56,680 --> 06:53:57,748
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5031
06:53:57,748 --> 06:54:00,484
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5032
06:54:00,484 --> 06:54:05,284
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

5033
06:54:28,711 --> 06:54:30,514
votes? Announce the results.

5034
06:54:30,514 --> 06:54:32,515
>> clerk: ayes 132, anyways 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5035
06:54:32,515 --> 06:54:35,515
>> clerk: assembly. Assembly 10933 rules report 594,

5036
06:54:37,921 --> 06:54:40,925
mr. Sempolinski, an act if relation to authorizing the city

5037
06:54:40,925 --> 06:54:44,995
of olean assessor to accept an application.

5038
06:54:44,995 --> 06:54:47,264
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5039
06:54:47,264 --> 06:54:49,932
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

5040
06:54:49,932 --> 06:54:50,733
>> >> clerk: this act shall take

5041
06:54:50,733 --> 06:54:51,868
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5042
06:54:51,868 --> 06:54:55,468
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5043
06:55:25,301 --> 06:55:27,370
>> are there any other votes? Announce the results.

5044
06:55:27,370 --> 06:55:30,707
>> clerk: ayes 132, anyway 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5045
06:55:30,707 --> 06:55:34,907
>> clerk: assembly 10949a rules report 595 ms. Levenberg.

5046
06:55:36,980 --> 06:55:41,317
an act to amend the subpart h of chapter 20 of the laws of 2015.

5047
06:55:41,317 --> 06:55:42,785
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5048
06:55:42,785 --> 06:55:46,456
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5049
06:55:46,456 --> 06:55:47,590
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5050
06:55:47,590 --> 06:55:48,459
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5051
06:55:48,459 --> 06:55:53,259
[voting in progress]. Ms. Levenberg to explain her

5052
06:56:04,675 --> 06:56:07,611
vote. >> I am very grateful to all of

5053
06:56:07,611 --> 06:56:09,747
those who are supporting this to make sure that communities who

5054
06:56:09,747 --> 06:56:15,747
have been negatively impacted by shutdowns of utilities will have

5055
06:56:16,686 --> 06:56:21,557
access to the station fund for another five years so thank you.

5056
06:56:21,557 --> 06:56:25,362
>> speaker: thank you ms. Levenberg in the

5057
06:56:25,362 --> 06:56:26,363
affirmative. >> speaker: are there any other

5058
06:56:26,363 --> 06:56:27,830
votes? Announce the results.

5059
06:56:27,830 --> 06:56:32,301
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5060
06:56:32,301 --> 06:56:37,273
>> clerk: assembly 10952 rules report 596 mr. Ra, an act to

5061
06:56:37,273 --> 06:56:40,430
amend the nassau county civil divisions act.

5062
06:56:40,430 --> 06:56:40,844
>> speaker: read the last section.

5063
06:56:40,844 --> 06:56:41,911
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5064
06:56:41,911 --> 06:56:42,912
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5065
06:56:42,912 --> 06:56:47,712
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5066
06:57:00,196 --> 06:57:00,864
votes? Announce the results.

5067
06:57:00,864 --> 06:57:04,200
>> clerk: ayes 132, nay 0z. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5068
06:57:04,200 --> 06:57:08,400
>> clerk: assembly assembly 107-8961 rules report 59 of

5069
06:57:11,140 --> 06:57:15,145
mr. Smullen, an act to amend the public officers law.

5070
06:57:15,145 --> 06:57:16,346
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5071
06:57:16,346 --> 06:57:17,814
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

5072
06:57:17,814 --> 06:57:18,882
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5073
06:57:18,882 --> 06:57:23,820
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5074
06:57:40,503 --> 06:57:41,371
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5075
06:57:41,371 --> 06:57:43,706
announce the results. >> clerk: aye.

5076
06:57:43,706 --> 06:57:45,708
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5077
06:57:45,708 --> 06:57:50,508
>> clerk: assembly 10964 rules report 598 mr. Smullen,an act

5078
06:57:51,514 --> 06:57:52,649
to amend the public officers law.

5079
06:57:52,649 --> 06:57:55,652
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5080
06:57:55,652 --> 06:57:57,853
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5081
06:57:57,853 --> 06:57:58,921
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5082
06:57:58,921 --> 06:57:59,790
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5083
06:57:59,790 --> 06:58:04,590
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5084
06:58:26,750 --> 06:58:27,484
votes? Announce the results.

5085
06:58:27,484 --> 06:58:31,870
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5086
06:58:31,870 --> 06:58:34,557
>> clerk: assembly 11012 rules report 599 mr. Sempolinski, an

5087
06:58:34,557 --> 06:58:39,628
act in relation to authorizing joseph frederick to take the

5088
06:58:39,628 --> 06:58:40,430
competitive civil service comation.

5089
06:58:40,430 --> 06:58:41,631
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5090
06:58:41,631 --> 06:58:45,501
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last-- home rule

5091
06:58:45,501 --> 06:58:46,503
message is at the desk. Read the last section.

5092
06:58:46,503 --> 06:58:47,837
>> >> clerk: this act shall take

5093
06:58:47,837 --> 06:58:48,773
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5094
06:58:48,773 --> 06:58:52,373
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5095
06:59:16,800 --> 06:59:17,534
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5096
06:59:17,534 --> 06:59:19,269
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, anyways 0.

5097
06:59:19,269 --> 06:59:22,339
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11058 rules

5098
06:59:22,339 --> 06:59:25,748
report 600 mr. Would nothing la an act in relation to

5099
06:59:25,748 --> 06:59:28,617
establishing the harris hill volunteer fire company

5100
06:59:28,617 --> 06:59:30,620
benevolent association. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5101
06:59:30,620 --> 06:59:34,823
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5102
06:59:34,823 --> 06:59:36,293
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5103
06:59:36,293 --> 06:59:37,359
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5104
06:59:37,359 --> 06:59:40,959
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5105
06:59:58,247 --> 06:59:59,116
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5106
06:59:59,116 --> 07:00:01,250
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, anyway 0z.

5107
07:00:01,250 --> 07:00:06,500
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly assembly

5108
07:00:07,256 --> 07:00:10,192
11068a rules report 601 ms. Walsh, an act in relation

5109
07:00:10,192 --> 07:00:14,797
to authorizing kurk nolan to receive certain credit.

5110
07:00:14,797 --> 07:00:16,132
disls on a motion, the senate bill is before the house, the

5111
07:00:16,132 --> 07:00:19,100
senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5112
07:00:19,100 --> 07:00:20,470
>> clerk: shall immediateally. >> speaker: the clerk will

5113
07:00:20,470 --> 07:00:22,470
record the vote.

5114
07:00:29,411 --> 07:00:36,110
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> I'm not really explaining my

5115
07:00:37,352 --> 07:00:40,890
vote on this bill although I'm really glad it got done.

5116
07:00:40,890 --> 07:00:46,429
I did want to-- we know that yesterday we had angelo

5117
07:00:46,429 --> 07:00:51,167
morinello here and it was his last bill and we weren't able to

5118
07:00:51,167 --> 07:00:54,236
pull it together to really adequately thank him for his

5119
07:00:54,236 --> 07:00:55,438
service. And I wanted to.

5120
07:00:55,438 --> 07:01:00,838
he is one of my classmates from 20-- god, 2016.

5121
07:01:02,430 --> 07:01:06,243
started in 2017. And brian manktelow is here.

5122
07:01:06,314 --> 07:01:11,620
he has represented wayne county and the town of webster since

5123
07:01:11,620 --> 07:01:13,456
2018. For assembly district 130.

5124
07:01:13,456 --> 07:01:17,926
he is just such a fantastic guy. I will miss not being able to

5125
07:01:17,926 --> 07:01:24,332
cheat off of his wam memos. He is a great guy.

5126
07:01:24,332 --> 07:01:30,932
and danny norber, from a d. 16. What an interesting person and

5127
07:01:33,642 --> 07:01:38,747
the time that we bought to spend in d.c., on my birth day, no

5128
07:01:38,747 --> 07:01:41,484
less, is a time I will always remember.

5129
07:01:41,484 --> 07:01:45,754
so, I just want to say thanks to these three members that maybe

5130
07:01:45,754 --> 07:01:51,930
didn't have a bill to celebrate over, but-- today, but wanted to

5131
07:01:51,930 --> 07:01:54,290
say thank you to all three of them.

5132
07:01:54,290 --> 07:01:57,766
you know, they're such a big fabric-- we are losing so many

5133
07:01:57,766 --> 07:01:59,501
members from this side of the aisle.

5134
07:01:59,501 --> 07:02:01,770
it's really hurting me. I just want to say thank you all

5135
07:02:01,770 --> 07:02:05,240
for your service to the peoples house, to your district, and

5136
07:02:05,240 --> 07:02:08,110
just most of all thank you for being such great colleagues and

5137
07:02:08,110 --> 07:02:09,646
friends. Thank you.

5138
07:02:09,646 --> 07:02:13,246
[ applause ] >> speaker: are there any other

5139
07:02:26,728 --> 07:02:29,128
votes? Announce the results.

5140
07:02:29,198 --> 07:02:31,734
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5141
07:02:31,734 --> 07:02:34,734
>> clerk: assembly. >> clerk: assembly 11098 rules

5142
07:02:35,270 --> 07:02:38,807
report 6 on 0 the mr. Slater, an act to amend the general

5143
07:02:38,807 --> 07:02:39,742
municipal law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5144
07:02:39,742 --> 07:02:42,211
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5145
07:02:42,211 --> 07:02:44,146
home rule message is at the desk.

5146
07:02:44,146 --> 07:02:46,816
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5147
07:02:46,816 --> 07:02:47,882
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5148
07:02:47,882 --> 07:02:51,482
record the vote. [voting in progress]

5149
07:03:18,981 --> 07:03:19,849
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5150
07:03:19,849 --> 07:03:22,985
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, anyways 0.

5151
07:03:22,985 --> 07:03:28,385
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 1115a rules

5152
07:03:29,625 --> 07:03:31,993
report 603 mr. Brabenec, an act to amend the tax law.

5153
07:03:31,993 --> 07:03:33,261
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5154
07:03:33,261 --> 07:03:34,397
the senate bill is advanced. Home rule message is at the

5155
07:03:34,397 --> 07:03:37,397
desk. Read the last section.

5156
07:03:39,934 --> 07:03:41,136
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5157
07:03:41,136 --> 07:03:42,500
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5158
07:03:42,500 --> 07:03:46,805
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

5159
07:04:51,273 --> 07:04:53,208
votes? Announce the results.

5160
07:04:53,208 --> 07:04:58,800
>> clerk: ayes 105, nays 27. >> speaker: the bill is passed

5161
07:04:59,614 --> 07:05:03,619
gleam 1112 had rules report 604 mr. Brabenec, an act to amend

5162
07:05:03,619 --> 07:05:05,200
the alcoholic beverage control law.

5163
07:05:05,200 --> 07:05:06,222
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5164
07:05:06,222 --> 07:05:08,490
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5165
07:05:08,490 --> 07:05:09,624
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5166
07:05:09,624 --> 07:05:10,558
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5167
07:05:10,558 --> 07:05:15,358
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5168
07:05:39,989 --> 07:05:42,389
votes? Announce the results.

5169
07:05:42,391 --> 07:05:47,529
>> clerk: ayes is 30 nays 2. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5170
07:05:47,529 --> 07:05:50,399
>> clerk: assembly 11126b rules report 605 mr. Brabenec, an

5171
07:05:50,399 --> 07:05:53,200
act to amend the tax law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5172
07:05:53,200 --> 07:05:54,469
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5173
07:05:54,469 --> 07:05:55,205
home rule message is at the desk.

5174
07:05:55,205 --> 07:06:00,605
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5175
07:06:00,743 --> 07:06:01,810
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5176
07:06:01,810 --> 07:06:05,410
record the vote. [voting in progress]

5177
07:06:43,251 --> 07:06:44,119
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5178
07:06:44,119 --> 07:06:47,719
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 105 nays 27.

5179
07:06:48,791 --> 07:06:52,795
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11129 rules

5180
07:06:52,795 --> 07:06:57,332
report 606 mr. Dipietro, an act to amend the highway law.

5181
07:06:57,332 --> 07:06:58,133
>> speaker: read the last section.

5182
07:06:58,133 --> 07:06:59,201
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5183
07:06:59,201 --> 07:07:00,202
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5184
07:07:00,202 --> 07:07:05,200
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5185
07:07:39,508 --> 07:07:41,908
votes? Announce the results.

5186
07:07:43,245 --> 07:07:47,849
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5187
07:07:47,849 --> 07:07:52,186
>> clerk: assembly 11133a rules report 607 mr. Gandolfo, an

5188
07:07:52,186 --> 07:07:54,722
act to amend the chapter 10 of the law of the 1958.

5189
07:07:54,722 --> 07:07:56,792
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5190
07:07:56,792 --> 07:07:59,661
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5191
07:07:59,661 --> 07:08:00,795
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5192
07:08:00,795 --> 07:08:01,663
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5193
07:08:01,663 --> 07:08:06,463
[voting in progress] >> speaker: are there any other

5194
07:08:26,288 --> 07:08:28,688
votes? Announce the results.

5195
07:08:29,157 --> 07:08:33,495
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5196
07:08:33,495 --> 07:08:35,831
>> clerk: assembly 11134 rules report 608 mr. Brabenec.

5197
07:08:35,831 --> 07:08:40,631
an act authorizing the congregation atzi chaim to

5198
07:08:43,705 --> 07:08:47,905
receive retroactive real property tax exempt property.

5199
07:08:47,909 --> 07:08:49,111
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5200
07:08:49,111 --> 07:08:50,445
the senate bill is advanced. Read last section.

5201
07:08:50,445 --> 07:08:51,446
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5202
07:08:51,446 --> 07:08:52,447
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5203
07:08:52,447 --> 07:08:57,247
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5204
07:09:19,941 --> 07:09:22,100
votes? Announce the results.

5205
07:09:22,100 --> 07:09:25,747
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5206
07:09:25,747 --> 07:09:28,884
>> clerk: assembly 11163 rules report 609 mr. Gray, an act to

5207
07:09:28,884 --> 07:09:32,687
amend the tax law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5208
07:09:32,687 --> 07:09:33,888
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5209
07:09:33,888 --> 07:09:39,694
homerule message is at the desk. Read the last section.

5210
07:09:39,694 --> 07:09:40,696
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5211
07:09:40,696 --> 07:09:41,963
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5212
07:09:41,963 --> 07:09:46,763
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5213
07:10:46,429 --> 07:10:48,829
votes? Announce the results.

5214
07:10:50,232 --> 07:10:55,320
>> clerk: ayes 112 nays 20. >> speaker: the bill is passed

5215
07:10:57,973 --> 07:11:01,443
gleam 11181 rules report 610 mr. Dur know, an act to amend

5216
07:11:01,443 --> 07:11:04,646
the chapter 459 of the laws of 1962.

5217
07:11:04,646 --> 07:11:06,480
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5218
07:11:06,480 --> 07:11:07,315
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

5219
07:11:07,315 --> 07:11:10,519
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5220
07:11:10,519 --> 07:11:15,319
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5221
07:11:39,816 --> 07:11:40,749
votes? Announce the results.

5222
07:11:40,749 --> 07:11:43,952
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5223
07:11:43,952 --> 07:11:47,689
>> clerk: assembly 11185 rules report 611 mr. Palmesano, an

5224
07:11:47,689 --> 07:11:49,891
act to amend the town law and the public officers law.

5225
07:11:49,891 --> 07:11:51,920
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5226
07:11:51,920 --> 07:11:56,492
the senate bill is advanced read the last section.

5227
07:11:57,165 --> 07:11:58,233
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5228
07:11:58,233 --> 07:12:02,433
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5229
07:12:49,840 --> 07:12:49,951
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5230
07:12:49,951 --> 07:12:52,620
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132 nays 0.

5231
07:12:52,620 --> 07:12:57,892
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11213a rules

5232
07:12:57,892 --> 07:13:01,295
report 61 the ms. Pheffer amato, an act to amend the

5233
07:13:01,295 --> 07:13:02,964
retirement and social security law.

5234
07:13:02,964 --> 07:13:04,165
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5235
07:13:04,165 --> 07:13:08,636
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5236
07:13:08,636 --> 07:13:10,171
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5237
07:13:10,171 --> 07:13:11,390
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5238
07:13:11,390 --> 07:13:15,239
[voting in progress]. Ms. Peoples-stokes to explain

5239
07:13:15,910 --> 07:13:20,110
her vote. >> actually, madam speaker, I am

5240
07:13:21,820 --> 07:13:23,585
explaining my vote because it gives me great pleasure to have

5241
07:13:23,585 --> 07:13:27,588
the opportunity to yet again vote for a bill in support of my

5242
07:13:27,588 --> 07:13:30,658
colleague, who, like I, will no longer be here next session.

5243
07:13:30,658 --> 07:13:34,395
as many of us already know, you know, stacy came here after her

5244
07:13:34,395 --> 07:13:38,332
mom worked so many years in the assembly doing stellar work.

5245
07:13:38,332 --> 07:13:44,405
she got a promotion to stay home and stacy came to sit in her

5246
07:13:44,405 --> 07:13:47,742
seat and did an amazing job. You can almost say ditto when

5247
07:13:47,742 --> 07:13:50,612
you look at her and you look at her mom and her commitment to

5248
07:13:50,612 --> 07:13:54,281
the work she put in, particularly the work she did

5249
07:13:54,281 --> 07:13:56,840
with the governor employees committee.

5250
07:13:56,840 --> 07:13:59,220
that will always be respected. I'm sure there is not an

5251
07:13:59,220 --> 07:14:01,756
employee across the state of new york that does not respect the

5252
07:14:01,756 --> 07:14:04,158
work you did and I certainly respect the work you did.

5253
07:14:04,158 --> 07:14:07,228
so congratulations on your retirement, all the work-- I

5254
07:14:07,228 --> 07:14:10,432
know you are not going to do what your mother did because she

5255
07:14:10,432 --> 07:14:13,168
has that title already. You may have to wait for that

5256
07:14:13,168 --> 07:14:15,437
one. It has been a true pleasure and

5257
07:14:15,437 --> 07:14:17,839
nothing but best for you and your family.

5258
07:14:17,839 --> 07:14:19,839
god bless. [ applause ]

5259
07:14:41,462 --> 07:14:42,329
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5260
07:14:42,329 --> 07:14:45,929
announce the results. Glx ayes 132, nos.

5261
07:14:49,804 --> 07:14:54,604
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: 112-- 112200 rules

5262
07:15:01,149 --> 07:15:04,819
report 613 ms. Hyndman, an act to amend the education law.

5263
07:15:04,819 --> 07:15:06,421
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5264
07:15:06,421 --> 07:15:09,690
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5265
07:15:09,690 --> 07:15:11,826
>> clerk: this act shall take effect 160th day.

5266
07:15:11,826 --> 07:15:12,695
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5267
07:15:12,695 --> 07:15:17,495
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5268
07:15:38,721 --> 07:15:41,121
votes? Announce the results.

5269
07:15:42,560 --> 07:15:47,456
>> clerk: ayes 132s nos 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5270
07:15:48,944 --> 07:15:53,820
>> clerk: assembly 111240 rules report 614 mr. Brabenec an act

5271
07:15:53,820 --> 07:15:57,282
authorizing tovas dovaid community kollel to receive

5272
07:16:02,910 --> 07:16:04,360
retroactive real property tax exempt status.

5273
07:16:04,360 --> 07:16:05,563
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5274
07:16:05,563 --> 07:16:07,960
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section sll

5275
07:16:07,960 --> 07:16:07,898
immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5276
07:16:07,898 --> 07:16:11,498
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5277
07:16:35,592 --> 07:16:36,326
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5278
07:16:36,326 --> 07:16:40,526
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes ayes 132, nos

5279
07:16:40,798 --> 07:16:43,798
0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5280
07:16:43,800 --> 07:16:46,200
>> clerk: assembly 11248 rules report 615 mr. Brabenec, an

5281
07:16:46,200 --> 07:16:52,602
act authorizing the conbre days of divrei chamber of commerce to

5282
07:16:52,742 --> 07:16:57,542
receive retroactive real property tax empty exempt study.

5283
07:17:01,840 --> 07:17:02,285
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5284
07:17:02,285 --> 07:17:09,485
the senate bill is advanced of the clerk will record the vote.

5285
07:17:22,705 --> 07:17:23,573
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5286
07:17:23,573 --> 07:17:27,430
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nos 0.

5287
07:17:27,430 --> 07:17:31,843
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11267 rules

5288
07:17:32,115 --> 07:17:33,783
report 616 mr. Ra. An act authorizing the assessor

5289
07:17:33,783 --> 07:17:38,121
of the county of nassau. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5290
07:17:38,121 --> 07:17:41,560
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5291
07:17:41,560 --> 07:17:44,461
read the last section. >> clerk: shall immediately.

5292
07:17:44,461 --> 07:17:46,129
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5293
07:17:46,129 --> 07:17:50,929
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5294
07:18:20,964 --> 07:18:24,100
votes? Announce the results. Glx ayes

5295
07:18:24,100 --> 07:18:24,835
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5296
07:18:24,835 --> 07:18:29,350
announce the results., ayes 130 nays 0 absentee ballot.

5297
07:18:29,239 --> 07:18:32,508
>> clerk: assembly 11268a rules report 617 mr. Ra, an act in

5298
07:18:32,508 --> 07:18:35,177
relation to authorizing the village of new hyde park to file

5299
07:18:35,177 --> 07:18:36,647
an application. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5300
07:18:36,647 --> 07:18:39,782
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5301
07:18:39,782 --> 07:18:42,518
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5302
07:18:42,518 --> 07:18:43,454
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5303
07:18:43,454 --> 07:18:47,540
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5304
07:19:29,698 --> 07:19:30,566
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5305
07:19:30,566 --> 07:19:33,169
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

5306
07:19:33,169 --> 07:19:37,390
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11274 rules

5307
07:19:37,390 --> 07:19:40,576
report 618 mr. Mikulin, an act to amend the nassau county civil

5308
07:19:40,576 --> 07:19:42,178
divisions act. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5309
07:19:42,178 --> 07:19:44,447
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5310
07:19:44,447 --> 07:19:47,183
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5311
07:19:47,183 --> 07:19:48,250
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5312
07:19:48,250 --> 07:19:51,850
record the vote. [voting in progress]

5313
07:20:43,840 --> 07:20:44,574
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5314
07:20:44,574 --> 07:20:47,176
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

5315
07:20:47,176 --> 07:20:52,181
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 112 5a rules

5316
07:20:52,181 --> 07:20:54,984
report 619 mr. Maher, an act to amend the highway law.

5317
07:20:54,984 --> 07:20:55,985
>> speaker: read the last section.

5318
07:20:55,985 --> 07:20:56,986
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5319
07:20:56,986 --> 07:20:57,987
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5320
07:20:57,987 --> 07:21:02,787
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5321
07:21:25,281 --> 07:21:27,681
votes? Announce the results.

5322
07:21:27,884 --> 07:21:30,887
>> clerk: ayes 132 nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5323
07:21:30,887 --> 07:21:34,357
>> clerk: assembly 11290 rules report 620 committee on rules

5324
07:21:34,357 --> 07:21:35,892
mr. Smullen, an act to amend the highway law.

5325
07:21:35,892 --> 07:21:37,930
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5326
07:21:37,930 --> 07:21:42,493
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5327
07:21:43,310 --> 07:21:44,990
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5328
07:21:44,990 --> 07:21:44,968
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5329
07:21:44,968 --> 07:21:49,768
[voting in progress]. Ms. Bausch to explain her

5330
07:22:00,316 --> 07:22:02,585
vote. >> thank you, madam speaker, so

5331
07:22:02,585 --> 07:22:07,523
this is robert smullen's last bill that he is passing in the

5332
07:22:07,523 --> 07:22:12,728
new york state assembly. He has been serving for assembly

5333
07:22:12,728 --> 07:22:16,599
district 118, but before, way before that, he had dedicated

5334
07:22:16,599 --> 07:22:19,535
his life to service both in uniform and in public service.

5335
07:22:19,535 --> 07:22:24,240
he has been a strong advocate for upstate, working to support

5336
07:22:24,240 --> 07:22:27,876
our veterans, strengthened rural equity and improved the lives of

5337
07:22:27,876 --> 07:22:32,281
the people that he represents. He has been very involved in

5338
07:22:32,281 --> 07:22:35,151
alek, the organization alek, talking about fiscal

5339
07:22:35,151 --> 07:22:38,954
responsibility as well. He has brought a unique

5340
07:22:38,954 --> 07:22:41,890
perspective really of leadership, duty and sacrifice

5341
07:22:41,890 --> 07:22:44,930
to the legislature. His commitment to serving others

5342
07:22:44,930 --> 07:22:47,196
and defending the values that he believes in his earned him the

5343
07:22:47,196 --> 07:22:49,365
respect of colleagues and his constituents.

5344
07:22:49,365 --> 07:22:51,701
it's been a plif to serve with robert.

5345
07:22:51,701 --> 07:22:55,505
I wish him the very best going forward and much love to his

5346
07:22:55,505 --> 07:23:00,709
wife meghan and his family and I would be remiss if I didn't

5347
07:23:00,709 --> 07:23:06,709
mention that robert's work in transforming what really was an

5348
07:23:06,849 --> 07:23:10,720
incredible personal tragedy into a really meaningful work for

5349
07:23:10,720 --> 07:23:16,120
donate life, and the donor registry has really been

5350
07:23:16,125 --> 07:23:18,127
inspiring. We wish him the very, very best

5351
07:23:18,127 --> 07:23:21,464
as he moves ford and thank him for his service.

5352
07:23:21,464 --> 07:23:25,640
[ applause ] >> speaker: are there any other

5353
07:23:48,223 --> 07:23:50,560
votes? Announce the results.

5354
07:23:50,560 --> 07:23:54,430
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5355
07:23:54,430 --> 07:23:58,367
>> clerk: assembly 11318 rules report 621, committee on rules

5356
07:23:58,367 --> 07:24:00,102
mr. Dipietro. An act to amend the

5357
07:24:00,102 --> 07:24:01,304
not-for-profit corporation law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5358
07:24:01,304 --> 07:24:03,573
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5359
07:24:03,573 --> 07:24:07,577
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5360
07:24:07,577 --> 07:24:08,643
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5361
07:24:08,643 --> 07:24:12,243
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5362
07:24:34,136 --> 07:24:35,500
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5363
07:24:35,500 --> 07:24:38,340
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

5364
07:24:38,340 --> 07:24:43,790
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11322b rules

5365
07:24:43,790 --> 07:24:45,949
report 622, committee on rules ms. Levenberg, an act to amend

5366
07:24:45,949 --> 07:24:48,551
the vehicle and traffic law and the public officers law.

5367
07:24:48,551 --> 07:24:50,886
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5368
07:24:50,886 --> 07:24:53,690
the senate bill is advanced homerule message is at the desk.

5369
07:24:53,690 --> 07:24:57,426
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5370
07:24:57,426 --> 07:24:59,940
effect on the 30th day. >> speaker: the clerk will

5371
07:24:59,940 --> 07:25:02,694
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5372
07:26:06,280 --> 07:26:06,763
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5373
07:26:06,763 --> 07:26:08,897
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 117, nays 15.

5374
07:26:08,897 --> 07:26:13,435
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11391 rules

5375
07:26:13,435 --> 07:26:15,438
report 623 committee on rules mr. Barclay, an act to amend

5376
07:26:15,438 --> 07:26:17,706
the general municipal law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5377
07:26:17,706 --> 07:26:22,178
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5378
07:26:22,178 --> 07:26:23,845
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5379
07:26:23,845 --> 07:26:25,514
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5380
07:26:25,514 --> 07:26:29,114
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5381
07:26:39,829 --> 07:26:45,829
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

5382
07:26:48,471 --> 07:26:54,810
I don't know, file like in wizard of oz, when they say

5383
07:26:54,810 --> 07:26:57,213
scarecrow, you are the one I'm going to miss the most.

5384
07:26:57,213 --> 07:27:00,150
this is will barclay's last bill in the new york state assembly

5385
07:27:00,150 --> 07:27:03,351
which is hard to believe a few individuals have had greater

5386
07:27:03,351 --> 07:27:06,755
impact on the assembly minority conference than leader will

5387
07:27:06,755 --> 07:27:10,355
barclay. Since his election in 2002, and

5388
07:27:14,363 --> 07:27:17,320
especially his tenure as minority leadership.

5389
07:27:17,320 --> 07:27:21,832
he has provided exceptional leadership, steady guidance and

5390
07:27:21,837 --> 07:27:24,172
unwavering dedication to the conference and the people of

5391
07:27:24,172 --> 07:27:26,174
new york. He is drawing from his

5392
07:27:26,174 --> 07:27:28,577
experience abs an attorney, businessman and life long

5393
07:27:28,577 --> 07:27:31,213
central new yorker. Strong advocate for upstate,

5394
07:27:31,213 --> 07:27:34,984
working families, policies that promote economic growth and

5395
07:27:34,984 --> 07:27:39,654
opportunity it has been such a privilege to serve with will and

5396
07:27:39,654 --> 07:27:47,797
travel with will and margaret I know he is leaving to go back to

5397
07:27:47,797 --> 07:27:53,269
his beautiful central new york and the waters, so I want to

5398
07:27:53,269 --> 07:27:56,939
leave it by saying, you know, may your fish be bigger than

5399
07:27:56,939 --> 07:28:02,545
your excuses and I want to wish him good health and all the best

5400
07:28:02,545 --> 07:28:05,810
in the years forward. I really value our friendship.

5401
07:28:05,810 --> 07:28:07,810
thank you. [ applause ]

5402
07:28:53,729 --> 07:28:54,598
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5403
07:28:54,598 --> 07:28:58,133
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0 blast

5404
07:28:58,133 --> 07:29:01,133
>> speaker: the bill is passed

5405
07:29:01,470 --> 07:29:04,341
624 committee on rules mr. Palmesano, an act to amend

5406
07:29:04,341 --> 07:29:06,760
the public officers law on a motion, the senate bill is

5407
07:29:06,760 --> 07:29:08,944
before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5408
07:29:08,944 --> 07:29:11,881
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5409
07:29:11,881 --> 07:29:12,948
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5410
07:29:12,948 --> 07:29:16,548
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5411
07:29:40,776 --> 07:29:41,643
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5412
07:29:41,643 --> 07:29:45,243
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

5413
07:29:45,781 --> 07:29:49,785
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11449 rules

5414
07:29:49,785 --> 07:29:51,387
report 625 committee on rules mr. Bendett.

5415
07:29:51,387 --> 07:29:53,589
an act to amend the the highway law.

5416
07:29:53,589 --> 07:29:54,723
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5417
07:29:54,723 --> 07:29:58,527
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5418
07:29:58,527 --> 07:29:59,594
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5419
07:29:59,594 --> 07:30:03,794
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5420
07:30:05,400 --> 07:30:10,200
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5421
07:30:36,566 --> 07:30:38,700
votes? Announce the results.

5422
07:30:38,700 --> 07:30:43,238
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5423
07:30:43,238 --> 07:30:47,410
>> clerk: assembly 11475 rules report 626 committee on rules

5424
07:30:47,410 --> 07:30:49,878
mr. Gandolfo. An act authorizing the church of

5425
07:30:49,878 --> 07:30:52,113
pentecost usa incorporated to receive retroactive real

5426
07:30:52,113 --> 07:30:55,118
property tax exempt status. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5427
07:30:55,118 --> 07:30:57,652
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5428
07:30:57,652 --> 07:31:00,256
read the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5429
07:31:00,256 --> 07:31:01,322
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5430
07:31:01,322 --> 07:31:04,922
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5431
07:31:12,935 --> 07:31:16,538
ms. Walsh to explain her vote. >> thank you, madam speaker.

5432
07:31:16,538 --> 07:31:23,679
so, it's not really goodbye so much as so long for my very

5433
07:31:23,679 --> 07:31:29,679
favorite assistant minority leader pro tem, this is his last

5434
07:31:31,200 --> 07:31:32,554
bill. I mean when I think about

5435
07:31:32,554 --> 07:31:34,956
jarrett, I think about the expertise.

5436
07:31:34,956 --> 07:31:36,825
I don't know how I'm going to understand the insurance law

5437
07:31:36,825 --> 07:31:40,161
after this year honestly. I'm going to have to call you

5438
07:31:40,161 --> 07:31:44,166
but the work he has done on the insurance committee, his work

5439
07:31:44,166 --> 07:31:47,166
here, running operations is unbelievable.

5440
07:31:47,502 --> 07:31:51,306
he is so unflappable and his dry sense of humor that took me

5441
07:31:51,306 --> 07:31:57,312
quite a while to figure out, really is really special as are

5442
07:31:57,312 --> 07:32:00,849
your expressions, too. But you are moving on to better

5443
07:32:00,849 --> 07:32:01,917
things, bigger and better things.

5444
07:32:01,917 --> 07:32:09,594
and I hope you remember us here at the peoples house and I just,

5445
07:32:09,594 --> 07:32:12,797
I thank natalia, lenny and ben for loaning you to us for the

5446
07:32:12,797 --> 07:32:17,402
time that you spent with us. And thank you; you know, thank

5447
07:32:17,402 --> 07:32:18,937
you. We are going to miss you a lot

5448
07:32:18,937 --> 07:32:19,537
here. Thank you.

5449
07:32:19,537 --> 07:32:23,137
[ applause ] >> speaker: are there any other

5450
07:32:43,161 --> 07:32:44,229
votes? Announce the results.

5451
07:32:44,229 --> 07:32:48,299
>> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5452
07:32:48,299 --> 07:32:51,903
>> clerk: assembly 11483 rules report 627 committee on rules

5453
07:32:51,903 --> 07:32:54,373
mr. Molitor. An act to authorize the towns of

5454
07:32:54,373 --> 07:33:00,178
ellington and charlotte in shah talkia county to elect a single

5455
07:33:00,178 --> 07:33:01,246
town justice. >> speaker: read the last

5456
07:33:01,246 --> 07:33:02,480
section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5457
07:33:02,480 --> 07:33:03,115
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5458
07:33:03,115 --> 07:33:06,715
record the vote. [voting in progress].

5459
07:33:43,555 --> 07:33:44,289
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5460
07:33:44,289 --> 07:33:46,758
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 132, nays 0.

5461
07:33:46,758 --> 07:33:51,558
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11528 rules

5462
07:33:51,830 --> 07:33:54,966
report 628 committee on rules mr. D'urso, an act to amend

5463
07:33:54,966 --> 07:33:56,567
the highway law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5464
07:33:56,567 --> 07:33:59,704
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced read

5465
07:33:59,704 --> 07:34:01,906
the last section. >> clerk: this act shall take

5466
07:34:01,906 --> 07:34:02,909
effect immediately. >> speaker: the clerk will

5467
07:34:02,909 --> 07:34:07,709
record the vote. >> speaker: are there any other

5468
07:34:31,270 --> 07:34:33,670
votes? Announce the results.

5469
07:34:34,139 --> 07:34:38,760
>> clerk: ayes 131 nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5470
07:34:38,760 --> 07:34:41,790
>> clerk: assembly 11543 rules report 629 committee on rules

5471
07:34:41,790 --> 07:34:43,681
mr. Pretlow. An act in relation to correcting

5472
07:34:43,681 --> 07:34:46,681
a misclassification property tax error.

5473
07:34:47,190 --> 07:34:47,819
>> speaker: read the last section.

5474
07:34:47,819 --> 07:34:48,887
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5475
07:34:48,887 --> 07:34:49,888
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5476
07:34:49,888 --> 07:34:54,688
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5477
07:35:20,118 --> 07:35:21,786
votes? Announce the results.

5478
07:35:21,786 --> 07:35:24,989
>> clerk: ayes is 31 nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5479
07:35:24,989 --> 07:35:29,189
>> clerk: assembly 11566 rules report 630 committee on rules

5480
07:35:30,610 --> 07:35:33,630
mr. Tague, an act to amend the alcoholic beverage control law.

5481
07:35:33,630 --> 07:35:33,864
>> speaker: read the last section.

5482
07:35:33,864 --> 07:35:35,667
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5483
07:35:35,667 --> 07:35:36,534
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5484
07:35:36,534 --> 07:35:41,934
[voting in progress]. Ms. Walsh to explain her vote.

5485
07:35:50,810 --> 07:35:54,485
>> thank you, madam speaker, so last but certainly not least, we

5486
07:35:54,485 --> 07:35:59,885
have the departure from the people's house of america's

5487
07:36:00,491 --> 07:36:05,291
assemblyman chris tague. This is his last bill.

5488
07:36:05,362 --> 07:36:09,701
chris is possibly the most quotable member of the chamber

5489
07:36:09,701 --> 07:36:14,839
he is certainly one of the most vocal voices but certainly cares

5490
07:36:14,839 --> 07:36:19,310
deeply about the area he represents, schoharie schoharie

5491
07:36:19,310 --> 07:36:24,115
county and other areas, there. There have been many mic drop

5492
07:36:24,115 --> 07:36:27,719
moments with chris during debate and otherwise.

5493
07:36:27,719 --> 07:36:31,456
I think his tag line that he has used no farms no food is

5494
07:36:31,456 --> 07:36:34,325
something that we all can relate to.

5495
07:36:34,325 --> 07:36:40,999
he really brought in just a real sense of who he is and where he

5496
07:36:40,999 --> 07:36:44,836
came from and he has never forgotten and I'm going to miss

5497
07:36:44,836 --> 07:36:52,543
him a lot and I would just say I think you learned a valuable

5498
07:36:52,543 --> 07:36:55,113
lesson from wayne jackson the other day, that when you start

5499
07:36:55,113 --> 07:37:01,685
to get upset, eat a snickers. We are going to miss chris.

5500
07:37:01,685 --> 07:37:03,685
thank you. [ applause ]

5501
07:37:29,447 --> 07:37:30,316
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5502
07:37:30,316 --> 07:37:33,251
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131 nays 0.

5503
07:37:33,251 --> 07:37:38,510
>> speaker: the bill is passed. >> clerk: assembly 11571 rules

5504
07:37:39,323 --> 07:37:42,995
report 631 committee on rules ms. Moreno, an act to amend

5505
07:37:42,995 --> 07:37:46,595
the chapter 801 of the laws of 2021.

5506
07:37:46,931 --> 07:37:48,133
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5507
07:37:48,133 --> 07:37:49,267
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5508
07:37:49,267 --> 07:37:52,604
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5509
07:37:52,604 --> 07:37:57,404
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5510
07:38:24,568 --> 07:38:26,968
votes? Announce the results.

5511
07:38:27,505 --> 07:38:32,305
>> clerk: ayes 131 nos 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5512
07:38:33,440 --> 07:38:36,915
>> clerk: assembly 11576, rules report 632 committee on rules

5513
07:38:36,915 --> 07:38:40,185
mr. Conrad. An act to amend the civil

5514
07:38:40,185 --> 07:38:42,655
service law. >> speaker: on a motion, the

5515
07:38:42,655 --> 07:38:44,550
senate bill is before the house, the senate bill is advanced.

5516
07:38:44,550 --> 07:38:45,923
governor's message is at the desk.

5517
07:38:45,923 --> 07:38:49,661
clerk will read. >> I hereby certify to an

5518
07:38:49,661 --> 07:38:52,661
immediate vote kathy hochul, governor.

5519
07:38:52,863 --> 07:38:53,664
>> speaker: read the last section.

5520
07:38:53,664 --> 07:38:54,865
>> clerk: this act shall take effect immediately.

5521
07:38:54,865 --> 07:38:56,333
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5522
07:38:56,333 --> 07:39:01,133
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5523
07:39:26,297 --> 07:39:28,697
votes? Announce the results.

5524
07:39:29,834 --> 07:39:34,634
>> clerk: ayes 131 nays 0. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5525
07:39:34,639 --> 07:39:37,975
>> clerk: assembly 11229 rules report 633, committee on rules

5526
07:39:37,975 --> 07:39:41,779
mr. Otis, an act to amend the general business law.

5527
07:39:41,779 --> 07:39:43,470
>> speaker: on a motion, the senate bill is before the house,

5528
07:39:43,470 --> 07:39:46,317
the senate bill is advanced. Read the last section.

5529
07:39:46,317 --> 07:39:47,852
>> clerk: this act shall take effect on the 90th day.

5530
07:39:47,852 --> 07:39:48,721
>> speaker: the clerk will record the vote.

5531
07:39:48,721 --> 07:39:53,521
[voting in progress]. >> speaker: are there any other

5532
07:40:44,420 --> 07:40:46,442
votes? Announce the results.

5533
07:40:47,511 --> 07:40:50,447
>> clerk: ayes 130 nays 1. >> speaker: the bill is passed.

5534
07:40:50,447 --> 07:40:53,447
[ applause ] resolution page 3 clerk will

5535
07:41:20,678 --> 07:41:23,780
read. >> gleam 1625 mr. Heastiey

5536
07:41:24,215 --> 07:41:25,883
legislative resolution establishing a plan setting

5537
07:41:25,883 --> 07:41:29,821
forth an itemized list of grant tees for certain appropriation

5538
07:41:29,821 --> 07:41:33,421
for the 2026-27 state fiscal year.

5539
07:41:35,626 --> 07:41:36,895
>> speaker: on the resolution, all those in favor signify by

5540
07:41:36,895 --> 07:41:41,695
saying aye. The clerk will record the vote.

5541
07:42:17,334 --> 07:42:18,202
>> speaker: are there any other votes?

5542
07:42:18,202 --> 07:42:20,938
announce the results. >> clerk: ayes 131 nays 0.

5543
07:42:20,938 --> 07:42:24,538
the resolution is adopted. >> clerk: assembly 1626

5544
07:42:27,712 --> 07:42:31,312
mr. Heastiey, assembly resolution amending assembly

5545
07:42:31,682 --> 07:42:35,190
resolution 42002 of 2008 establishing a plan setting

5546
07:42:35,190 --> 07:42:39,223
forth for an itemized list of grantees for the new york state

5547
07:42:39,223 --> 07:42:41,225
capital assistance program. >> speaker: the clerk will

5548
07:42:41,225 --> 07:42:46,250
record the vote. >> speaker: are there any other

5549
07:43:14,580 --> 07:43:14,926
votes? Announce the results.

5550
07:43:14,926 --> 07:43:19,126
>> clerk: ayes 131 nays 0. The resolution is adopted.

5551
07:43:21,532 --> 07:43:26,332
>> well, well, well. So, friends and colleagues, we

5552
07:43:27,204 --> 07:43:31,275
began this session-- when we began this session I laid out a

5553
07:43:31,275 --> 07:43:35,579
plan to make our state a more affordable place for all our

5554
07:43:35,579 --> 07:43:37,248
families. Over the last few months, we

5555
07:43:37,248 --> 07:43:40,284
have worked to deliver on that promise.

5556
07:43:40,284 --> 07:43:44,210
we put money back into new yorkers pocket with a

5557
07:43:44,210 --> 07:43:45,756
billion and relief with power checks.

5558
07:43:45,756 --> 07:43:48,826
ensured our cities have the funding they need to meet the

5559
07:43:48,826 --> 07:43:52,496
needs of their communities. An invested in our schools and

5560
07:43:52,496 --> 07:43:55,633
higher education so every young person in this state is sets up

5561
07:43:55,633 --> 07:44:00,380
for a bright future. We codified protections for

5562
07:44:00,380 --> 07:44:03,400
immigrant new yorkers, safeguarded access to life

5563
07:44:03,400 --> 07:44:08,312
saving vaccines and strengthened regulations on 3d printed ghost

5564
07:44:08,312 --> 07:44:11,315
guns. We can all be proud of what we

5565
07:44:11,315 --> 07:44:13,715
accomplished for our communities.

5566
07:44:14,185 --> 07:44:19,924
but none of what we have done this year could be possible

5567
07:44:19,924 --> 07:44:23,194
without the dedication ever our staff.

5568
07:44:23,194 --> 07:44:28,265
the governor took up about 90% of the session with her budget.

5569
07:44:28,265 --> 07:44:33,665
but we-- where's deb. How many did we get?

5570
07:44:39,743 --> 07:44:44,348
like 940 something. We only ended up 46 bills less

5571
07:44:44,348 --> 07:44:48,419
than we were last year. So would I like...

5572
07:44:48,419 --> 07:44:53,219
[ applause ] of course I would like to thank

5573
07:44:54,992 --> 07:44:57,295
our amazing, amazing staff and I know the minority will do the

5574
07:44:57,295 --> 07:45:02,433
same on their side so, of course, deb miller, marianne,

5575
07:45:02,433 --> 07:45:04,368
john knight and the legislative services team.

5576
07:45:04,368 --> 07:45:07,368
[ applause ] dan, will bill drafting

5577
07:45:21,850 --> 07:45:24,685
commission and the assembly revision staff.

5578
07:45:29,127 --> 07:45:33,327
[ applause ] big money phil fields and the

5579
07:45:34,199 --> 07:45:37,199
ways and means staff. [ cheering ]

5580
07:45:49,120 --> 07:45:53,884
and, you know, I have to say, you know, jen best has the

5581
07:45:53,884 --> 07:45:59,357
hardest job in this place. To put up with us, the constant

5582
07:45:59,357 --> 07:46:03,861
text messages, the calls from me at any time and jen, I just want

5583
07:46:03,861 --> 07:46:06,960
to tell you you have done an amazing job.

5584
07:46:06,960 --> 07:46:09,696
[ applause ] and her running mate aubry

5585
07:46:24,181 --> 07:46:28,981
hadric. And to alana siven who kind of

5586
07:46:29,720 --> 07:46:32,560
ran and jumped on the train after session started.

5587
07:46:32,560 --> 07:46:35,660
my counsel, she had did an amazing job and the rest of the

5588
07:46:35,660 --> 07:46:38,662
program and counsel staff and the ways and means staff,

5589
07:46:38,662 --> 07:46:41,599
really, for almost six months they've had to do double duty

5590
07:46:41,599 --> 07:46:45,799
and we should really show our appreciation.

5591
07:46:47,700 --> 07:46:51,870
[ applause ] so, I also want to thank becca

5592
07:47:01,218 --> 07:47:07,818
moody and brismead who work on the council council for the

5593
07:47:09,930 --> 07:47:12,693
majority and the special ops team.

5594
07:47:12,963 --> 07:47:15,967
katie bender and the entire cis team.

5595
07:47:15,967 --> 07:47:21,367
amy metcalfe, ed harris and the assembly support team.

5596
07:47:32,183 --> 07:47:35,783
the intergovernmental team lalean and alex.

5597
07:47:40,991 --> 07:47:45,797
wendy, who we welcome back, hop along is back.

5598
07:47:45,797 --> 07:47:50,597
[ applause ] yes, of course, my own staff at

5599
07:47:52,469 --> 07:47:56,207
250 broadway and my district office in the bronx and the rest

5600
07:47:56,207 --> 07:48:00,343
, I would say the administrative support team,

5601
07:48:00,343 --> 07:48:06,943
anita, natalia, and I'm about tired of him always getting the

5602
07:48:10,200 --> 07:48:13,757
biggest round of applause, mr. Wayne jackson and our

5603
07:48:13,757 --> 07:48:16,757
chamber sergeant-at-arms. [cheers and applause]

5604
07:48:37,293 --> 07:48:43,198
and I don't want to forget to mention, if you see this quiet

5605
07:48:43,198 --> 07:48:46,469
unassuming gentleman who has been fall following me around, I

5606
07:48:46,469 --> 07:48:50,873
want to thank greg mosely for joining the team also.

5607
07:48:50,873 --> 07:48:54,473
[ applause ] now is the hard part.

5608
07:49:02,919 --> 07:49:09,492
this might be the hardest end of session speech I've ever had to

5609
07:49:09,492 --> 07:49:12,561
give because when I look at the list of people who are retiring,

5610
07:49:12,561 --> 07:49:17,330
and they deserve it. They have worked hard, but it's

5611
07:49:17,330 --> 07:49:20,303
over 150 years combined of them being my colleagues and my

5612
07:49:20,303 --> 07:49:24,907
friends and my family. And I have to start with

5613
07:49:24,907 --> 07:49:27,543
crystal. I met crystalline before I was

5614
07:49:27,543 --> 07:49:32,381
elected to the assembly. I was dating a young ladies in

5615
07:49:32,381 --> 07:49:37,181
buffalo and I got invited up to juneteenth.

5616
07:49:37,186 --> 07:49:40,856
I had no idea what juneteenth was, if you can believe that.

5617
07:49:40,856 --> 07:49:43,459
but crystal taught me what juneteenth was.

5618
07:49:43,459 --> 07:49:48,865
and she has been a friend and a sit tear and I'm going to tell

5619
07:49:48,865 --> 07:49:53,602
you some private things but I think it's okay.

5620
07:49:53,602 --> 07:49:57,606
when joe morelle left and I have been honored to have two

5621
07:49:57,606 --> 07:50:01,770
incredible number twos, in joe morelle and crystal people

5622
07:50:01,770 --> 07:50:03,780
spokes. But when joe morelle was elected

5623
07:50:03,780 --> 07:50:06,810
to congress, somebody actually said to me, there is no way you

5624
07:50:06,810 --> 07:50:09,485
can pick another black person to be the majority leader.

5625
07:50:09,485 --> 07:50:16,250
and I said why the hell can't I? And I said I'm not picking

5626
07:50:16,250 --> 07:50:20,296
crystal because she is black. Now she is a serious tough black

5627
07:50:20,296 --> 07:50:22,296
sister. [ applause ]

5628
07:50:41,316 --> 07:50:47,316
but I picked crystal more because of the trust, the

5629
07:50:49,559 --> 07:50:52,829
relationship, and you know, when I was attempting to come and try

5630
07:50:52,829 --> 07:50:56,966
to be speaker, there were a lot of people who doubted me.

5631
07:50:56,966 --> 07:50:58,602
a lot of people who didn't want me.

5632
07:50:58,602 --> 07:51:03,873
I remember "the new york times" did an article that said the

5633
07:51:03,873 --> 07:51:05,607
flawed speaker. But I remember when I called

5634
07:51:05,607 --> 07:51:07,476
crystal and I asked her for her support.

5635
07:51:07,476 --> 07:51:10,881
she said to me go call everybody else.

5636
07:51:10,881 --> 07:51:14,416
I'm with you. Crystal, you don't know what

5637
07:51:14,416 --> 07:51:17,954
that did for me when you said you would support me for

5638
07:51:17,954 --> 07:51:19,155
speaker. Love you dearly.

5639
07:51:19,155 --> 07:51:24,293
you have been a big sister, my protector and I am so much going

5640
07:51:24,293 --> 07:51:29,693
to miss you. I love you so much crystal.

5641
07:51:31,634 --> 07:51:35,834
[ applause ] >> now this next young lady, the

5642
07:52:08,537 --> 07:52:12,875
story is going to start a little tough but I promise you it ends

5643
07:52:12,875 --> 07:52:17,675
well. Also when I was trying to be--

5644
07:52:18,346 --> 07:52:24,346
my good friend, deborah glick, I don't know (inaudible) hello?

5645
07:52:41,370 --> 07:52:45,841
okay. So I always felt like I had to

5646
07:52:45,841 --> 07:52:50,641
earn deborah's respect. I always felt like (inaudible)

5647
07:52:58,988 --> 07:53:05,588
and one of my favorite political books was team of rivals.

5648
07:53:06,661 --> 07:53:10,466
and as tough as deborah was on me in the beginning, I have to

5649
07:53:10,466 --> 07:53:13,535
tell you I don't think I have a more trusted person that can I

5650
07:53:13,535 --> 07:53:18,700
go and get advice from. Charles seaward, who was abraham

5651
07:53:18,700 --> 07:53:23,407
lincoln's rival whether lee died-- when he died, when

5652
07:53:23,478 --> 07:53:27,830
abraham lincoln was shot and killed, charles turned out to be

5653
07:53:27,830 --> 07:53:31,860
the most trusted adviser to abraham lincoln, so deborah,

5654
07:53:31,860 --> 07:53:35,286
thank you for being my charles. [ applause ]

5655
07:53:52,441 --> 07:53:54,844
I'm doing a little better than I thought I would.

5656
07:53:54,844 --> 07:53:58,514
and also I know she is not watching, but vivian cook, I

5657
07:53:58,514 --> 07:54:04,520
also knew way before I was elected and vivian adapted me as

5658
07:54:04,520 --> 07:54:08,720
a son. She adopted taylor and her

5659
07:54:10,459 --> 07:54:13,261
granddaughter and vivian, the two things I always remember

5660
07:54:13,261 --> 07:54:17,599
about vivian, as soon as she would see me, she would say are

5661
07:54:17,599 --> 07:54:19,201
you all right? She will say I'll get somebody

5662
07:54:19,201 --> 07:54:23,500
if you want me to get them. And I would say no, vive vivian,

5663
07:54:23,500 --> 07:54:24,874
I'm okay. And the other thing I always

5664
07:54:24,874 --> 07:54:30,874
remember about vivian, when people would call her and ask

5665
07:54:30,913 --> 07:54:33,416
her where is she in terms of a bill.

5666
07:54:33,416 --> 07:54:35,817
she would say I'm wherever the speaker is.

5667
07:54:35,817 --> 07:54:38,154
so take that as a lesson to all of you.

5668
07:54:38,154 --> 07:54:40,189
that's even the best place to be.

5669
07:54:40,189 --> 07:54:45,589
even the minority. Next up, donna lupardo you know,

5670
07:54:49,965 --> 07:54:54,503
when prince passed away, of course you know it was

5671
07:54:54,503 --> 07:54:57,373
devastating to me. It was like losing a member of

5672
07:54:57,373 --> 07:55:00,776
my family. But donna did somebody to for me

5673
07:55:00,776 --> 07:55:02,978
when we had the tour in her area.

5674
07:55:02,978 --> 07:55:07,516
she brought me to a tribute cop certain for prince and that just

5675
07:55:07,516 --> 07:55:11,116
lifted my spirits... (inaudible) (inaudible) hello?

5676
07:55:34,410 --> 07:55:39,281
this quiet but serious amazing representative and, you know,

5677
07:55:39,281 --> 07:55:45,755
there was a time that, you know, donna was on her own out there

5678
07:55:45,755 --> 07:55:48,423
in western new york in terms of, I know we are not trying to get

5679
07:55:48,423 --> 07:55:51,760
political here but she was alone a lot of the times.

5680
07:55:51,760 --> 07:55:57,299
but she hung tough and she represented her area very well.

5681
07:55:57,299 --> 07:56:01,437
and so donna, I have to tell you, too, you have been an

5682
07:56:01,437 --> 07:56:04,373
amazing, amazing colleague, even sometimes things were always

5683
07:56:04,373 --> 07:56:08,377
tough but always knew I would count on you.

5684
07:56:08,377 --> 07:56:12,577
donna, love you, too. Stacey pheffer amato.

5685
07:56:26,262 --> 07:56:32,868
you know, I had two older sisters and when I would get

5686
07:56:32,868 --> 07:56:38,700
picked on when I was younger, before I learned martial arts,

5687
07:56:38,700 --> 07:56:44,280
my sister would always go and fight my battles for me and

5688
07:56:44,280 --> 07:56:46,949
stacy, as I said, she is somebody that will always tell

5689
07:56:46,949 --> 07:56:50,619
you how she feels when she feels what she feels and she is never

5690
07:56:50,619 --> 07:56:53,880
shy about it. But I always know that if I got

5691
07:56:53,880 --> 07:56:57,692
to get into a fox hole with somebody,and fight, I don't know

5692
07:56:57,692 --> 07:57:00,563
if there is a better person than you, stacy.

5693
07:57:00,563 --> 07:57:07,102
and you are, you know, sometimes people always don't want to be

5694
07:57:07,102 --> 07:57:13,776
compared to their parents, but have I to tell you stacy, I know

5695
07:57:13,776 --> 07:57:16,712
your mother is proud of the representation and you picked up

5696
07:57:16,712 --> 07:57:19,981
right where she left off. I know there was somebody in

5697
07:57:19,981 --> 07:57:24,186
between, but you have been an amazing amazing advocate and

5698
07:57:24,186 --> 07:57:28,323
really what is a tough district but you always, always stood to

5699
07:57:28,323 --> 07:57:31,326
your convictions and that's what really matters most in this

5700
07:57:31,326 --> 07:57:34,326
business. I love you, too.

5701
07:57:54,850 --> 07:58:02,500
only two more people retiring. Nader sayegh, a very qi it and

5702
07:58:02,357 --> 07:58:04,893
unassuming and serious person but always wanted to make sure

5703
07:58:04,893 --> 07:58:06,161
yonkers was take especially care of.

5704
07:58:06,161 --> 07:58:10,265
he is another one, sometimes on these tough votes, you know

5705
07:58:10,265 --> 07:58:15,303
nader seemed to always trust and be supportive, even when I asked

5706
07:58:15,303 --> 07:58:18,907
him to take some very, very, very tough votes.

5707
07:58:18,907 --> 07:58:22,311
and like I said, he is auto the one that got used to the

5708
07:58:22,311 --> 07:58:24,460
texting. I don't know if nader ever

5709
07:58:24,460 --> 07:58:26,381
picked up the phone and called me.

5710
07:58:26,381 --> 07:58:30,253
he always knew to text me. So nader, I can only say thank

5711
07:58:30,253 --> 07:58:35,357
you for your support and friendship and you also will be

5712
07:58:35,357 --> 07:58:40,757
sorely missed, and I love you too, my friend.

5713
07:58:48,737 --> 07:58:52,808
and then last but certainly not least, marianne buttenschon,

5714
07:58:52,808 --> 07:58:58,513
another one who is kind of on an island where she is in central

5715
07:58:58,513 --> 07:59:00,416
new york. Always stuck to her convictions,

5716
07:59:00,416 --> 07:59:04,616
always represented her area, always represented small

5717
07:59:05,820 --> 07:59:09,158
businesses and also, always, always had open arms for

5718
07:59:09,158 --> 07:59:12,360
colleagues on both sides of the aisle to come visit her

5719
07:59:12,360 --> 07:59:16,264
beautiful farm and small business and I said this at the

5720
07:59:16,264 --> 07:59:22,864
retirement breakfast, marianne gave me a tree to plant in my

5721
07:59:24,373 --> 07:59:27,209
yard. People laughed that I habit

5722
07:59:27,209 --> 07:59:32,247
planted it yet. I have to get a chance to plant

5723
07:59:32,247 --> 07:59:36,251
that tree every time I look at that tree, I will think of you.

5724
07:59:36,251 --> 07:59:40,322
you have been a very very and supportive person when things

5725
07:59:40,322 --> 07:59:45,122
are tough. Love you, too marianne is who

5726
07:59:54,203 --> 07:59:55,804
zoom. She had to get home and deal

5727
07:59:55,804 --> 07:59:59,740
with her grandchild who was not feeling well.

5728
07:59:59,740 --> 08:00:06,274
I hope you hear me. Love you I want to say to

5729
08:00:06,948 --> 08:00:08,951
colleagues on the other side of the ails.

5730
08:00:08,951 --> 08:00:14,951
I always try to these personal wars about democrats and

5731
08:00:16,240 --> 08:00:18,360
republicans, you know, I think you are all good people.

5732
08:00:18,360 --> 08:00:21,830
you just have your politics wrong, but...

5733
08:00:21,830 --> 08:00:24,499
[laughter] but I always try to continue to

5734
08:00:24,499 --> 08:00:29,171
be a friend because no matter what, I know from each and every

5735
08:00:29,171 --> 08:00:31,306
one of you, you are just trying to represent your communities

5736
08:00:31,306 --> 08:00:37,446
the best way that you know how. So I want to say to all of you

5737
08:00:37,446 --> 08:00:42,918
who are leaving or those of you who are trying to be demoted, I

5738
08:00:42,918 --> 08:00:47,990
wish you well I do want to point out two people and I also want

5739
08:00:47,990 --> 08:00:52,727
to thank mr. Ra for his, we kind of picked up like we were

5740
08:00:52,727 --> 08:00:56,327
good friends. Our communication is great.

5741
08:00:56,465 --> 08:00:59,935
and I joked with him that, you know, our communication was half

5742
08:00:59,935 --> 08:01:04,406
as good as it was with me and mr. Barally, we would be okay.

5743
08:01:04,406 --> 08:01:11,146
I also want to say that saying so long to mr. Bar bar barally

5744
08:01:11,146 --> 08:01:15,885
saying so long to mr. Barclayally you have

5745
08:01:15,885 --> 08:01:18,887
always been so good to me. You have been such a good

5746
08:01:18,887 --> 08:01:19,821
friend. I could trust you.

5747
08:01:19,821 --> 08:01:23,158
you and I probably talked about things that we never shared with

5748
08:01:23,158 --> 08:01:25,627
our members. That's how much of a friend I

5749
08:01:25,627 --> 08:01:29,697
consider you. And I'm going to miss those text

5750
08:01:29,697 --> 08:01:36,297
messages and as much as whenever will would call me, (inaudible)

5751
08:01:41,109 --> 08:01:44,709
about a republican, so... Hello. Hello.

5752
08:01:46,215 --> 08:01:49,851
but no matter, no matter what I would say to will, when he

5753
08:01:49,851 --> 08:01:57,510
reached out to me, I would say will, just call me (inaudible).

5754
08:01:59,461 --> 08:02:01,861
(no audio) always, always.

5755
08:02:06,869 --> 08:02:10,939
call me speaker, but will, I hope that you are gone, when you

5756
08:02:10,939 --> 08:02:16,145
text me, you will call me by my name and check in with me.

5757
08:02:16,145 --> 08:02:19,481
so thank you, my brother, I love you.

5758
08:02:19,481 --> 08:02:21,481
[ applause ] (no audio)

5759
08:02:48,777 --> 08:02:51,580
I'll project, you know I'm not really a yeller in public.

5760
08:02:51,580 --> 08:02:54,580
just only in private. [laughter]

5761
08:02:55,784 --> 08:03:01,256
I know he is not here to our colleague mr. Morinello, I

5762
08:03:01,256 --> 08:03:05,526
always, when he got elected. I always called him your honor

5763
08:03:05,526 --> 08:03:08,263
because even though we're elected and we are all

5764
08:03:08,263 --> 08:03:10,799
honorable, he was always such a good guy.

5765
08:03:10,799 --> 08:03:17,538
I always wanted to say to him when I saw him, your honor.

5766
08:03:17,538 --> 08:03:22,677
he is an incredible person. I thanked him last night because

5767
08:03:22,677 --> 08:03:26,381
often times people who are experts in his area, and he was

5768
08:03:26,381 --> 08:03:29,718
a judge for a very long time before he ran for the assembly,

5769
08:03:29,718 --> 08:03:34,155
and times when people say things who are an expert in their

5770
08:03:34,155 --> 08:03:39,227
field, you always want to listen so I'm glad I got to say so long

5771
08:03:39,227 --> 08:03:44,232
to him before he left last night and as I said to you and all of

5772
08:03:44,232 --> 08:03:46,168
my colleagues, once a member, always a member.

5773
08:03:46,168 --> 08:03:49,971
you guys are always welcome back here in this chamber.

5774
08:03:49,971 --> 08:03:52,371
[ applause ] I'm almost done.

5775
08:04:06,540 --> 08:04:10,258
we have some colleagues on our side of the aisle that have

5776
08:04:10,258 --> 08:04:15,464
decided to be demoted. So I just want to say to the

5777
08:04:15,464 --> 08:04:20,869
great colleagues who served with us, whether they're trying to

5778
08:04:20,869 --> 08:04:24,500
run for congress or the state senate, I don't know why you

5779
08:04:24,500 --> 08:04:26,700
want to do those things because this is the best place in the

5780
08:04:26,700 --> 08:04:32,700
world to be so I want to say good luck.

5781
08:04:33,347 --> 08:04:38,747
god speed, to alex bores, jessica gonzales rojas, michael

5782
08:04:39,254 --> 08:04:45,254
lasher, grace lee, steven raga, jonathan rivera and claire, you

5783
08:04:47,384 --> 08:04:51,120
were here for a minute, valdez. But all of these colleagues are

5784
08:04:51,120 --> 08:04:54,190
great. Always showed me a tremendous

5785
08:04:54,190 --> 08:04:57,190
amount of cooperation and respect.

5786
08:04:57,327 --> 08:05:03,327
and I feel privileged, even though this is my twelfth

5787
08:05:05,000 --> 08:05:07,871
session I always feel privileged for the opportunity that all of

5788
08:05:07,871 --> 08:05:12,208
you have given to me so I want to say to all of you thank you

5789
08:05:12,208 --> 08:05:15,780
for your years of hard work and dedication.

5790
08:05:15,780 --> 08:05:19,816
we will miss you, but as I said, once an assemblymember, always

5791
08:05:19,816 --> 08:05:25,816
an assemblymember, and you are always welcome here in the

5792
08:05:26,322 --> 08:05:28,322
peoples house. [ applause ]

5793
08:05:42,705 --> 08:05:47,505
ms. Peoples-stokes. Sorry, we are going go to

5794
08:05:47,777 --> 08:05:52,577
mr. Ra first. >> thank you mr. Speaker, and

5795
08:05:53,450 --> 08:05:57,650
thank you for your kind records-for-our departing

5796
08:05:59,923 --> 08:06:04,610
members and thank you to you and your staff for your cooperation.

5797
08:06:04,610 --> 08:06:06,929
it has been a crazy session for all of us.

5798
08:06:06,929 --> 08:06:12,100
I would say me in particular. But having the opportunity to

5799
08:06:12,100 --> 08:06:16,405
begin working more closely with you, I can't thank you enough

5800
08:06:16,405 --> 08:06:20,610
for your communication and your working with us on dehalf of our

5801
08:06:20,610 --> 08:06:24,214
members to make sure that we were able to do the things that

5802
08:06:24,214 --> 08:06:27,750
we needed to do for our district so thank you.

5803
08:06:27,750 --> 08:06:34,240
I have to thank the majority leader I had the opportunity, I

5804
08:06:34,240 --> 08:06:36,292
don't know how many years it was ago now.

5805
08:06:36,292 --> 08:06:40,729
I was in jarrett's job, your first session as majority leader

5806
08:06:40,729 --> 08:06:44,340
and had the opportunity to work closely with you as you were

5807
08:06:44,340 --> 08:06:46,836
starting that job and watch you run the floor each and every

5808
08:06:46,836 --> 08:06:49,506
day, and I wish you all the best in your retirement.

5809
08:06:49,506 --> 08:06:53,711
I thank you for your friendship. And I don't know if the next

5810
08:06:53,711 --> 08:06:56,312
person is going to pick up on the quote of the day, but I

5811
08:06:56,312 --> 08:06:59,515
don't think it will be a meerchingful not being delivered

5812
08:06:59,515 --> 08:07:03,586
by you as before we start session each day so thank you

5813
08:07:03,586 --> 08:07:10,786
and all best to you, crystal. It's tough to be overly upbeat

5814
08:07:27,143 --> 08:07:29,813
this week. We all felt the weight of the

5815
08:07:29,813 --> 08:07:32,214
session. The prolonged budget schedule,

5816
08:07:32,214 --> 08:07:34,217
the chaotic end we had here and we have talked about the

5817
08:07:34,217 --> 08:07:38,555
highlights of session, of the budget, let's be honest, our

5818
08:07:38,555 --> 08:07:41,224
calendar was hijacked by a governor who, I don't think

5819
08:07:41,224 --> 08:07:45,962
properly respects the role of this house of this legislature

5820
08:07:45,962 --> 08:07:50,499
as a company e qual branch of government.

5821
08:07:50,499 --> 08:07:54,699
[ applause ] and I think the disruption that

5822
08:07:54,971 --> 08:08:00,109
has caused really impacted us and our ability to do the things

5823
08:08:00,109 --> 08:08:05,581
we needed to do for our constituents for the people of

5824
08:08:05,581 --> 08:08:09,185
this state. But I don't want to get too much

5825
08:08:09,185 --> 08:08:11,122
into that we have heard a lot this evening.

5826
08:08:11,122 --> 08:08:15,792
what I really want to do is recognize the work of people and

5827
08:08:15,792 --> 08:08:18,228
the contributions of people who have heyed this house what it

5828
08:08:18,228 --> 08:08:20,330
is. They have earned those

5829
08:08:20,330 --> 08:08:23,660
accolades. Let me start with our floor team

5830
08:08:23,660 --> 08:08:27,971
, mary beth walsh, our floor leader who has done a tremendous

5831
08:08:27,971 --> 08:08:34,571
job this session steady at the helm, leading our debate with

5832
08:08:35,440 --> 08:08:40,149
class, with intelligence, making sure our members knew what was

5833
08:08:40,149 --> 08:08:43,752
to be expected each and every day to the extent that we were

5834
08:08:43,752 --> 08:08:48,758
aware and just making sure that, through a change in leadership,

5835
08:08:48,758 --> 08:08:51,270
there was not a blip in the road.

5836
08:08:51,270 --> 08:08:54,464
we just kept moving forward. Thank you, mary beth for your

5837
08:08:54,464 --> 08:08:56,464
tremendous work. [ applause ]

5838
08:09:07,810 --> 08:09:10,446
and her assistant I'm going to talk about later because he is

5839
08:09:10,446 --> 08:09:14,751
also departing. It's hard to believe that this

5840
08:09:14,751 --> 08:09:19,989
due yo' is breaking up because big 5-- this duo is breaking up

5841
08:09:19,989 --> 08:09:24,189
because they have done a tremendous job.

5842
08:09:24,327 --> 08:09:29,732
don't hold that against him. But he really watching him go

5843
08:09:29,732 --> 08:09:35,405
from intern to member chief of staff, to member, to being our

5844
08:09:35,405 --> 08:09:40,205
assistant floor leader is something I'm incredibly proud

5845
08:09:40,743 --> 08:09:45,815
to have had the opportunity to watch I don't know why he is

5846
08:09:45,815 --> 08:09:49,686
demoting himself to the title of senator but I wish him well down

5847
08:09:49,686 --> 08:09:57,486
the hall and I hope he won't be a stranger in our chamber.

5848
08:10:01,964 --> 08:10:09,238
and they are ably assisted and guided each and every day by our

5849
08:10:09,238 --> 08:10:12,238
wonderful floor counsel michelle who.

5850
08:10:14,310 --> 08:10:16,710
(no audio) all right.

5851
08:10:18,781 --> 08:10:22,585
just make sure things keep moving forward.

5852
08:10:22,585 --> 08:10:24,787
make sure our members have everything they need and just,

5853
08:10:24,787 --> 08:10:29,859
we always say the job is like part kindergarten teacher, part

5854
08:10:29,859 --> 08:10:34,300
lawyer, part probably a lot of other things but she does it all

5855
08:10:34,300 --> 08:10:39,602
capably and I'm proud to call her friend and of the work she

5856
08:10:39,602 --> 08:10:46,802
does on behalf of our conference so thank you, michelle to our

5857
08:10:58,354 --> 08:11:01,557
ways and means ranker. Phil palm san palmesano picked a

5858
08:11:01,557 --> 08:11:06,695
hell of a year to take on his first state budget.

5859
08:11:06,695 --> 08:11:09,695
very time consume summing, complicated.

5860
08:11:10,633 --> 08:11:15,433
extenders, budget itself. He did it with incredible

5861
08:11:16,705 --> 08:11:20,576
ability, again I'm so proud of the work he did stepping in mid

5862
08:11:20,576 --> 08:11:25,314
stream in a budget I just would have one piece of advice I hope

5863
08:11:25,314 --> 08:11:30,420
you and mr. Pretlow can speed things up next year and not be

5864
08:11:30,420 --> 08:11:35,220
going into late may. So phil, thank you.

5865
08:11:41,597 --> 08:11:47,936
and I want to thank the members of our conference, our sincere

5866
08:11:47,936 --> 08:11:49,405
thanks and gratitude to all of you.

5867
08:11:49,405 --> 08:11:51,941
thank you for your confidence, unwavering hard work and

5868
08:11:51,941 --> 08:11:54,610
patience during the legislative session that had more than its

5869
08:11:54,610 --> 08:11:58,280
fair share of twists and turns, through every challenge you have

5870
08:11:58,280 --> 08:12:01,484
stood firm, remain committed to our shared principles and goals

5871
08:12:01,484 --> 08:12:06,555
and most importantly, you have fought to improve the lives of

5872
08:12:06,555 --> 08:12:09,559
new yorkers we represent. Your energy, passion and

5873
08:12:09,559 --> 08:12:13,962
determination have been inspiration to me as I do my

5874
08:12:13,962 --> 08:12:15,598
job. And we know it's been

5875
08:12:15,598 --> 08:12:18,234
challenging with the unpredictable schedule, the

5876
08:12:18,234 --> 08:12:21,570
shifting calendar, and that impacts us as members.

5877
08:12:21,570 --> 08:12:25,874
but we all know that that impacts our staff more than

5878
08:12:25,874 --> 08:12:29,512
anybody. So I want to thank all of the

5879
08:12:29,512 --> 08:12:33,182
incredible assembly staff from both sides of the aisle who make

5880
08:12:33,182 --> 08:12:39,782
this place run for their work this session and let me

5881
08:12:50,399 --> 08:12:55,838
personally recognize my team who have helped me take over this

5882
08:12:55,838 --> 08:13:00,142
role and made sure that I had everything I needed to do the

5883
08:13:00,142 --> 08:13:07,342
job on behalf of our members tom krause, jason keho, dan karines

5884
08:13:07,684 --> 08:13:11,487
who is celebrating both his 60 the birthday and his retirement

5885
08:13:11,487 --> 08:13:13,823
after 35 years in the legislature.

5886
08:13:13,823 --> 08:13:16,823
[ applause ] our counsel adam, our

5887
08:13:28,360 --> 08:13:33,436
legislative units josh ways and means, page running counsel's

5888
08:13:34,110 --> 08:13:39,820
office and chris slater and research and policy development

5889
08:13:39,820 --> 08:13:45,988
and last but certainly not least I love that I get to call her

5890
08:13:45,988 --> 08:13:51,661
this, my chief of staff, lauren o'hare who runs our conference

5891
08:13:51,661 --> 08:13:56,461
with incredible skill, intelligence a little bit of

5892
08:13:57,600 --> 08:14:03,673
humor when I need it. And is just somebody that I

5893
08:14:03,673 --> 08:14:07,900
fully trust with everything that needs to be done on behalf of

5894
08:14:07,900 --> 08:14:13,900
our conference so lauren, thank you for your tireless efforts.

5895
08:14:18,921 --> 08:14:23,721
[ applause ] and I really do want to thank

5896
08:14:24,160 --> 08:14:26,428
all of the dedicated professionals who support our

5897
08:14:26,428 --> 08:14:28,164
conference throughout the central staff.

5898
08:14:28,164 --> 08:14:30,766
they truly are the ones that make our members be able do the

5899
08:14:30,766 --> 08:14:35,566
our jobs with the best of our ability.

5900
08:14:35,971 --> 08:14:41,971
so I just want to, as the speaker mentioned about

5901
08:14:42,111 --> 08:14:45,381
departing members I think we are losing 25 members total on both

5902
08:14:45,381 --> 08:14:49,985
sides of the aisle which is pretty hard to wrap your head

5903
08:14:49,985 --> 08:14:50,986
around. And there is tremendous amount

5904
08:14:50,986 --> 08:14:55,257
of institutional memory, expertise that we are losing in

5905
08:14:55,257 --> 08:14:59,995
them and I just want to quickly run through our departing

5906
08:14:59,995 --> 08:15:04,666
members, ken blankenbush who was a classmate of mine from the 20

5907
08:15:04,666 --> 08:15:07,666
tenney electrics. There were 17 of-- 2010

5908
08:15:09,672 --> 08:15:12,274
election. There were 10 of us then.

5909
08:15:12,274 --> 08:15:15,878
there will be three of us next year.

5910
08:15:15,878 --> 08:15:18,614
he brought a perspective and reliability that was a true

5911
08:15:18,614 --> 08:15:21,170
constant to the members of the conference and something that is

5912
08:15:21,170 --> 08:15:23,719
valued for each and every one of our members to have somebody

5913
08:15:23,719 --> 08:15:28,230
with that steady personality of ken blankenbush, so, ken, thank

5914
08:15:28,230 --> 08:15:30,230
you. [ applause ]

5915
08:15:41,903 --> 08:15:45,174
jake blumencranz came in with youth, energy and fresh ideas.

5916
08:15:45,174 --> 08:15:49,311
a great camera presence that I'm jealous of.

5917
08:15:49,311 --> 08:15:52,848
and also the determination to do what is right on behalf of your

5918
08:15:52,848 --> 08:15:55,500
constituents. Pushing for cutting costs,

5919
08:15:55,500 --> 08:15:58,787
public safety, responsible budgets, so I know our

5920
08:15:58,787 --> 08:16:01,791
conference loss will be the senate's gain next year.

5921
08:16:01,791 --> 08:16:06,595
jake, thank you and congratulations to you on a

5922
08:16:06,595 --> 08:16:09,595
successful tenure here in assembly.

5923
08:16:15,700 --> 08:16:19,270
[ applause ] keith brown, who has been a

5924
08:16:20,208 --> 08:16:25,800
reliable and passionate and thoughtful fact for nassau

5925
08:16:26,214 --> 08:16:29,618
county and suffolk county. He will certainly be missed in

5926
08:16:29,618 --> 08:16:35,180
this chamber. Jeff gallon lain who has been a

5927
08:16:38,260 --> 08:16:42,497
strong and principalled voice for his constituents and brought

5928
08:16:42,497 --> 08:16:45,501
a blue collar mentality that never changed in his time in

5929
08:16:45,501 --> 08:16:48,370
albany. He is one of the truly nicest

5930
08:16:48,370 --> 08:16:53,776
human beings you will ever meet and I will miss serving with

5931
08:16:53,776 --> 08:16:55,911
jeff. Jarrett gandolfo I mentioned a

5932
08:16:55,911 --> 08:17:00,382
minute ago truly has become a very valued friend and we wish

5933
08:17:00,382 --> 08:17:07,582
him well down the hall brian manktelow, a guy who brought so

5934
08:17:07,722 --> 08:17:12,394
many perspectives as a farmer, businessman, army veteran

5935
08:17:12,394 --> 08:17:14,663
representing the 130th district and always brought

5936
08:17:14,663 --> 08:17:19,868
commonsense values to chamber and a very strong work ethic and

5937
08:17:19,868 --> 08:17:27,680
I will his miss freerp each he-- miss his friendship every day.

5938
08:17:28,144 --> 08:17:31,130
and part of my own county delegation who has been here

5939
08:17:31,130 --> 08:17:35,751
from the beginning with me as a mentor and as a friend and

5940
08:17:35,751 --> 08:17:40,756
somebody I will greatly look up to and respect truly an

5941
08:17:40,756 --> 08:17:44,426
institution on long island, the gold standard for ma public

5942
08:17:44,426 --> 08:17:46,895
service means for what public service means.

5943
08:17:46,895 --> 08:17:50,310
judge morinello, one of the greatest voices we have had here

5944
08:17:50,310 --> 08:17:54,503
for reason and integrity in this business and his counsel to me

5945
08:17:54,503 --> 08:17:56,972
is something that I cannot replace.

5946
08:17:56,972 --> 08:18:02,511
I will certainly continue to go to him for advice.

5947
08:18:02,511 --> 08:18:05,848
dan norber, another nassau county neighbor.

5948
08:18:05,848 --> 08:18:08,317
it has been a pleasure to serve with you, dan.

5949
08:18:08,317 --> 08:18:10,852
you brought perspective as a small business owner and really

5950
08:18:10,852 --> 08:18:14,589
jumped in with both feet with heart and integrity and I think

5951
08:18:14,589 --> 08:18:16,725
your character and the contributions you have made to

5952
08:18:16,725 --> 08:18:21,630
this institution and our conference have certainly left a

5953
08:18:21,630 --> 08:18:26,335
mark on us, so thank you, dan, and all the best to you and your

5954
08:18:26,335 --> 08:18:28,335
family. [ applause ]

5955
08:18:37,813 --> 08:18:42,613
just a couple more. Colonel robert smullen, you

5956
08:18:43,850 --> 08:18:47,857
know, the journey you have walked from your military career

5957
08:18:47,857 --> 08:18:51,961
coming here in the assembly, and most importantly with your

5958
08:18:51,961 --> 08:18:56,161
family, really has been something of unparalleled

5959
08:18:57,733 --> 08:19:01,303
perseverance and internal resolve and we have all watched

5960
08:19:01,303 --> 08:19:07,709
you and tried to lend whatever support we could but you have

5961
08:19:07,709 --> 08:19:11,179
carried yourself with incredible dignity and purpose and we will

5962
08:19:11,179 --> 08:19:18,121
never forget you in this chamber and we will make sure we

5963
08:19:18,121 --> 08:19:23,526
continue to do the initiatives you have started to carry on

5964
08:19:23,526 --> 08:19:27,897
a.j.'s name so thank you for your service and your courage

5965
08:19:27,897 --> 08:19:32,935
and your determination and being an inspiration to us all,

5966
08:19:32,935 --> 08:19:35,335
colonel. Chris tague, america's

5967
08:19:46,748 --> 08:19:51,754
assemblyman who has been a fighter all the way to the end

5968
08:19:51,754 --> 08:19:56,758
and I think after this week pam hunter may become his biggest

5969
08:19:56,758 --> 08:19:59,495
campaign donor if it means getting him out of here.

5970
08:19:59,495 --> 08:20:02,397
but that fighting spirit is what we will all remember about

5971
08:20:02,397 --> 08:20:07,197
chris. So all the best to you, chris.

5972
08:20:08,303 --> 08:20:14,903
and lastly will barclay. My friend that I have had the

5973
08:20:15,376 --> 08:20:21,583
opportunity to, from my very first days in this chamber, to

5974
08:20:21,583 --> 08:20:26,321
get the opportunity to kind of get brought into a circle with

5975
08:20:26,321 --> 08:20:31,927
you and some of our other senior members that you really didn't

5976
08:20:31,927 --> 08:20:35,663
feel like you belong but were never made to feel like you

5977
08:20:35,663 --> 08:20:40,936
didn't belong. And he served here for more than

5978
08:20:40,936 --> 08:20:43,805
30 years but the most important thing I think all of us in our

5979
08:20:43,805 --> 08:20:49,205
conference value is your friendship we could not measure

5980
08:20:51,213 --> 08:20:54,350
the contributions you have made to this assembly, to our

5981
08:20:54,350 --> 08:20:59,121
conference, but I think we all believe that, if we leave this

5982
08:20:59,121 --> 08:21:03,492
place better than we found it, we will have been a success.

5983
08:21:03,492 --> 08:21:08,836
and by that measure, you have been an incredible success here,

5984
08:21:08,836 --> 08:21:11,238
leader barclay so thank you for your friendship.

5985
08:21:11,238 --> 08:21:13,638
I will miss... [ applause ]

5986
08:21:25,453 --> 08:21:31,591
I just want to conclude, not to steal crystal's thing, but with

5987
08:21:31,591 --> 08:21:35,529
a quote, how lucky I am to have something that makes saying

5988
08:21:35,529 --> 08:21:39,600
goodbye so hard. It feels very fitting today so

5989
08:21:39,600 --> 08:21:42,269
thank you to all of our departing members.

5990
08:21:42,269 --> 08:21:47,541
thank you mr. Speaker for your leadership of this house and

5991
08:21:47,541 --> 08:21:51,812
your friendship and I wish you, the members and all the staff a

5992
08:21:51,812 --> 08:21:55,412
very happy and hopefully relaxful summer.

5993
08:21:56,751 --> 08:22:02,151
thank you. >> before I turn it over to our

5994
08:22:11,565 --> 08:22:14,434
wonderful majority leader, I was remiss and you have to forgive

5995
08:22:14,434 --> 08:22:16,303
me. I'm really not feeling well.

5996
08:22:16,303 --> 08:22:18,906
I'm not contagious. I took a test.

5997
08:22:18,906 --> 08:22:24,906
but I didn't thank gary pretlow for his incredible job.

5998
08:22:30,718 --> 08:22:35,518
[ applause ] but I also want to thank his

5999
08:22:53,407 --> 08:22:59,407
counterpart and he knows I gave him the nickname 2 by 15

6000
08:23:00,380 --> 08:23:02,216
palmesano. Even though mr. Slater you

6001
08:23:02,216 --> 08:23:07,755
stole it from him a couple of times, but thank you mr. Palm

6002
08:23:07,755 --> 08:23:10,490
san so-- mr. Palmesano, you have always kept the discussions

6003
08:23:10,490 --> 08:23:12,927
on the subject and never took anything personal so thank you

6004
08:23:12,927 --> 08:23:17,727
for your representation on the ways and means.

6005
08:23:31,245 --> 08:23:33,245
ms. Peoples-stokes. [ applause ]

6006
08:23:34,181 --> 08:23:38,886
>> mr. Speaker and colleagues, let me just first of all say to

6007
08:23:38,886 --> 08:23:42,923
god be the glory for all the great things he has allowed me

6008
08:23:42,923 --> 08:23:47,328
to experience some my life and one of them is knowing you,

6009
08:23:47,328 --> 08:23:49,863
mr. Speaker. I'm truly grateful for that.

6010
08:23:49,863 --> 08:23:52,399
you are probably one of the few people that can get me to do

6011
08:23:52,399 --> 08:23:57,271
things I don't want to do but I do want to honor the opportunity

6012
08:23:57,271 --> 08:24:00,942
to gave me to serve as your majority leader.

6013
08:24:00,942 --> 08:24:04,411
I certainly want to thank your entire staff, everybody standing

6014
08:24:04,411 --> 08:24:06,347
over there. I don't want to name names

6015
08:24:06,347 --> 08:24:09,149
because they all played a very significant role in trying to

6016
08:24:09,149 --> 08:24:12,219
help us pull together the work that we needed to do for the

6017
08:24:12,219 --> 08:24:15,289
peoples house. So thank you to your entire

6018
08:24:15,289 --> 08:24:17,158
staff. Also want to thank john knight.

6019
08:24:17,158 --> 08:24:23,970
and I want to say some of you owe john knight some money.

6020
08:24:23,970 --> 08:24:27,568
you have been in his here but he is truly diligent to the work.

6021
08:24:27,568 --> 08:24:33,140
does not miss a beat. Crosses every t and dots every I

6022
08:24:33,140 --> 08:24:36,176
and stops anybody trying to prevent him from doing that.

6023
08:24:36,176 --> 08:24:40,976
please join me in celebrating this young man.

6024
08:24:44,251 --> 08:24:48,451
[ applause ] let's give her another round of

6025
08:24:55,729 --> 08:25:00,529
applause, too. It has been really great working

6026
08:25:01,268 --> 08:25:03,804
with you all. And I don't want to name names

6027
08:25:03,804 --> 08:25:07,408
because I would have to read off the entire list of the amazing

6028
08:25:07,408 --> 08:25:11,345
people that I have had the opportunity to get to know and

6029
08:25:11,345 --> 08:25:13,814
develop relationships with. But I will just say thank you.

6030
08:25:13,814 --> 08:25:17,817
and so if you saw me sitting down a lot while everybody else

6031
08:25:17,817 --> 08:25:20,555
was standing clapping, don't take it as disrespect.

6032
08:25:20,555 --> 08:25:23,157
take it as I'm trying to preserve my health.

6033
08:25:23,157 --> 08:25:27,895
not long ago I went through a very serious procedure and when

6034
08:25:27,895 --> 08:25:32,365
I it was over, I lost the ability to use some of my body.

6035
08:25:32,365 --> 08:25:37,771
I am regaining that. So I have to protect it every day.

6036
08:25:37,771 --> 08:25:42,571
[ applause ] so do I want to mention, you

6037
08:25:49,516 --> 08:25:52,219
know one effort things the speaker forced me to do that I

6038
08:25:52,219 --> 08:25:55,655
didn't want to do. It was during the pandemic.

6039
08:25:55,655 --> 08:25:59,727
and our then ways and means chair helene weinstein have

6040
08:25:59,727 --> 08:26:02,620
covid. She had to stay home.

6041
08:26:02,620 --> 08:26:06,666
there weren't many of us here mr. Goodell was here.

6042
08:26:06,666 --> 08:26:11,705
ed ra was here and a few people on this side of the aisle were

6043
08:26:11,705 --> 08:26:19,279
here, but he said to me crystal, you have to debate the budget

6044
08:26:19,279 --> 08:26:20,881
what? How am I going to debate the

6045
08:26:20,881 --> 08:26:22,482
budget? I haven't gone to any of the

6046
08:26:22,482 --> 08:26:26,419
hearings. I have no idea what has been

6047
08:26:26,419 --> 08:26:29,623
said. I don't know but have you to do

6048
08:26:29,623 --> 08:26:31,392
it. No, no, no.

6049
08:26:31,392 --> 08:26:33,160
wait a minute. Let's think this through,

6050
08:26:33,160 --> 08:26:35,695
mr. Speaker. Why don't we just ask deborah

6051
08:26:35,695 --> 08:26:38,695
glick to do it. [laughter]

6052
08:26:38,965 --> 08:26:44,204
she has been her longer she knows how it is done.

6053
08:26:44,204 --> 08:26:49,576
she can do this in a heart beat. He said no, crystal, you are the

6054
08:26:49,576 --> 08:26:50,778
majority leader. Have you to do it.

6055
08:26:50,778 --> 08:26:54,381
like he forced me to be the majority leader he forced me to

6056
08:26:54,381 --> 08:26:57,184
negotiate a budget which I was able to do and I was only able

6057
08:26:57,184 --> 08:27:00,454
to do it because of the people on the ways and means team.

6058
08:27:00,454 --> 08:27:06,454
they sat around with all the information that I needed.

6059
08:27:06,526 --> 08:27:11,926
[ applause ] so I often call them the a team

6060
08:27:13,333 --> 08:27:16,904
because I think they are and that doesn't mean the that the

6061
08:27:16,904 --> 08:27:19,672
program and council crew is not the a team as well but there is

6062
08:27:19,672 --> 08:27:22,476
one for each section of the work we have to do here.

6063
08:27:22,476 --> 08:27:26,800
I also want to commend doug miller who takes a lot of grief

6064
08:27:26,800 --> 08:27:29,680
from a lot of people. [ applause ]

6065
08:27:37,891 --> 08:27:41,562
by the way, how do I know she takes a lot of grief from a lot

6066
08:27:41,562 --> 08:27:44,431
of people? Because for one I know I give

6067
08:27:44,431 --> 08:27:47,567
her a lot of grief and now everybody else does as well.

6068
08:27:47,567 --> 08:27:50,371
thank you very much deborah, the work you do running around

6069
08:27:50,371 --> 08:27:53,841
between here and your office and the speaker's office and making

6070
08:27:53,841 --> 08:27:56,309
sure everything is on target. It's on taferght and as hard as

6071
08:27:56,309 --> 08:28:02,716
it may seem, when we are in the middle of debate, we still are

6072
08:28:02,716 --> 08:28:06,453
people who represent people. And we still are people who want

6073
08:28:06,453 --> 08:28:12,259
to do the best that we can for the folks that we represent.

6074
08:28:12,259 --> 08:28:18,265
I feel some kind of way on a regular basis when at the

6075
08:28:18,265 --> 08:28:22,869
national level, my whole being is being reconsidered whether I

6076
08:28:22,869 --> 08:28:29,610
should even be here, not just for a vote but to have a job

6077
08:28:29,610 --> 08:28:33,280
people to look like me got put out of their job the last couple

6078
08:28:33,280 --> 08:28:35,149
of years, bust because they look like me.

6079
08:28:35,149 --> 08:28:37,885
it hurts sometimes coming in here and hearing the debate we

6080
08:28:37,885 --> 08:28:42,220
have to go through when there is no regard for people like me who

6081
08:28:42,220 --> 08:28:46,626
suffer what is going on at the national level and my opinion,

6082
08:28:46,626 --> 08:28:51,898
science is complicit. And so if we are friends, let's

6083
08:28:51,898 --> 08:28:55,369
be friends all the time and let's be friends when we can get

6084
08:28:55,369 --> 08:28:58,238
to the place where we can say to the other folks in our party

6085
08:28:58,238 --> 08:29:02,410
that are our friends you can't say that about my people.

6086
08:29:02,410 --> 08:29:04,311
even though they don't look like me.

6087
08:29:04,311 --> 08:29:07,381
you can't say that about them. You have to be fair.

6088
08:29:07,381 --> 08:29:12,386
we always have to be fair. So I hope that we will move

6089
08:29:12,386 --> 08:29:17,257
forward as people who don't think of ourselves as italian,

6090
08:29:17,257 --> 08:29:22,663
or african-american or irish, or white or black, but think of us

6091
08:29:22,663 --> 08:29:28,468
as the people who god created and the reason he created us was

6092
08:29:28,468 --> 08:29:31,405
for so we can help other people. If we are excluding people and

6093
08:29:31,405 --> 08:29:35,876
by not saying anything when doge goes in and puts 350,000 women

6094
08:29:35,876 --> 08:29:40,948
out of a job in d.c., we can't keep doing that.

6095
08:29:40,948 --> 08:29:46,421
don't be with me in here then leave me when people are abusing

6096
08:29:46,421 --> 08:29:53,210
me in the public. That's all I ask so with that,

6097
08:30:06,773 --> 08:30:10,577
because I can't stand long and I do need to be able to walk to my

6098
08:30:10,577 --> 08:30:14,982
office to be able to tart cleaning it out, whoever takes

6099
08:30:14,982 --> 08:30:18,385
this seat, whoever the speaker assigns to be the next majority

6100
08:30:18,385 --> 08:30:25,191
leader, I just want you to know I'm going to be watching you I'm

6101
08:30:25,191 --> 08:30:29,396
still going to be at his ready and at his defense and at his

6102
08:30:29,396 --> 08:30:34,267
back, so please know that and I got friends, too so I can send

6103
08:30:34,267 --> 08:30:39,540
other people to get you. So with that, mr. Speaker,

6104
08:30:39,540 --> 08:30:44,878
mr. Ra, mr. Barclay, I think there are only two left,

6105
08:30:44,878 --> 08:30:50,416
mr. Fitzpatrick and ramos, god bless you all stay safe.

6106
08:30:50,416 --> 08:30:52,486
and stay healthy. Peace.

6107
08:30:52,486 --> 08:30:56,686
[ applause ] speaker, do you have any further

6108
08:31:15,909 --> 08:31:18,945
housekeeping or resolutions? >> we have none.

6109
08:31:18,945 --> 08:31:22,248
>> awesome, I now move that the assembly stand adjourned until

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saturday june 6, tomorrow being a legislative day and that we

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reconvene at the call of the speaker.

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thank you. [ applause ]

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>> speaker: on ms. Peoples-stokes motion, to

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my friend and departing majority leader, I say to you, my sister,

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live long and prosper. [ applause ]

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the house stands adjourned. [ applause ]