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out where 10 acre tracts pieces

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of property where you want to

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put your well that goes to

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public notice and once that goes

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to public notice that's kind of

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a legally binding document that

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says you have a 10 acre track

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here that you're legally able to

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put a well. So now the well

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driller goes in they put in the

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permit number and they say

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here's a latitude longitude that

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I want to drill a well for this

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permit. we checked to see if

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that is in the same

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location as where you went to

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notice if it's not we tell the

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well driller there needs to be

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an amendment on this permit and

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it needs to go back out to

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notice generally

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for one more follow up on that

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if we're specifying a 10 acre

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block

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and they don't feel like there's

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water in that 10 acre block.

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before they drilled it so we had

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to totally start over if we're

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going to move over to an

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adjacent 10 acres if you

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specifically said that 10 acre

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tract that is correct. You can

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fill out your application that

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says hey you know

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I have

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2000 acres. I don't know where I

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want to put my well. I want to

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go to notice on my whole block

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of land and that would bypass

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that and you would allow you'd

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have to notify more people but

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that would allow you to put it

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wherever you wanted to you're

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welcome

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we have again we have domestic

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wells again if you're putting in

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a a pub a irrigation or

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public water supply well there's

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well spacing for each aquifer

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that you are required to be set

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back from and that's generally

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1320 acre feet for groundwater

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wells and660 feet for alluvium

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wells so if you come in and

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drill a well and you have a

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house that's next door and it's

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within500 feet you have a right

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to kind of to protest that and

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make sure that the irrigation or

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public water supply well or

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whatever well is outside that

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well spacing

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Any other questions

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Again this is an example of what

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we kind of get is this accurate?

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is there overuse going on we

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don't know there's insufficient

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data and this shows a permit

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for213.3 acre feet per year and

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they've written in I think

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181,82 acre feet

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is that gallons did they really

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mean acre feet this is for Stint

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Louisuttility Company. Does

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anyone know where the small town

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of Saint Louis is I don't think

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that they used 181,000 acre feet

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so we do get these and

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historically we just haven't had

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time to you know give Stint

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Louis a call and say are you

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really using this amount?

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I think over the next couple of

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years we're going to have an

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online water use reporting

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database and that's going to

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catch a lot of these errors so

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if you were to ask me how much

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water use we used in2025

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uhpresentative Newton has asked

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us that you know several times

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we'd pull the data out of our

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database and we'd hand it to

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them and it might be 181,000

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acre feet off if we didn't catch

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that so when we pull that data

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we go and look for some of the

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things that are a little

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outrageous but there's there's

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definitely a lot of error in the

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amount of water that's reported

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Groundwater use in Oklahoma this

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is a graph dating back to 20 or

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the year2000 through2024 and the

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thing that I would like to point

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out here is in about2010 to2011

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we started having an increase in

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the amount of water use

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reported. We also had an

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increase of the amount of

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permits that were being applied

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for and it was because of the

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drought and if you look at those

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numbers we had about a50%

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increase in the amount of water

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use that was

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reported so we've had a lot an

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influx of people when drought

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happens there's a water

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scarcity. I don't know if I have

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enough water I need to permit

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some more of my land to increase

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the amount of water I can use.

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w017 was the most water we've

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had groundwater we've had

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reported I think2025 is right

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now reporting a little bit more

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than 1.2 million acre feet

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so2025 might be the highest

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amount of groundwater use

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reported and as you can see

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irrigation is the number one

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user of groundwater followed by

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public water supply.

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for example as some comparisons

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the ogallala panhandle 1.2

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million allocated we get

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about500,000 acre feet reported

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Ogallala northwest that's

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theogallala not in the panhandle

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of Ogloma and there's

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interest in the imron River

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alluvium terrace aquifer again

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allocated versus reported about

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a quarter of that is used

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statewide in Oklahoma

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42 million acre feet is

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allocated 1.2 million is

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reported and for comparison

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because I know a lot of us don't

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think in a re feet Oklahoma City

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uses about 1540 acre feet this

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is in2025 Oklahoma City only

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uses surface water. this was

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just for a comparison

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so

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Oklahoma City uses a lot of

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water

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it's kind of comparable to some

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of these aquifers

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the city of Enid is the largest

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groundwater user in the state of

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Oklahoma 93,000 acre feet

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allocated they report 18 about

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18 1000 acre feet

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this is a slide showing how much

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water use is reported per

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aquifer the couple of numbers

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that I want to focus on are the

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top three on the left that's the

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ogallala rush springs and

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theakkota sandstone is below the

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ogallala out in the panhandle.

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those are the top three

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groundwater aquifers that are

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used and the number one alluvium

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terra aquifer and that's just

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the sand deposits of the rivers

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the number one is the imarron

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river allu

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vi terraaquiver those are the

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four highest used aquifers in

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the state of Oklahoma.

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these are a couple of

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diagrams maps of theogallala

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aquifer the top one is the

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percent depletion that's the

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percentage of groundwater that's

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been depleted compared to

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predevelopment when we start to

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have a a lot of center pivots

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going in in the 1950s the purple

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and red are where saturated

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thicknesses over50% depleted

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it might also be locations where

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there's not much saturated

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thickness

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and then the bottom

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and what I mean by saturated

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thickness is you have an aquifer

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that might be this thick and

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you saturated thickness may only

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be the bottom75% and so that's

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what I mean by saturated

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thickness. The bottom figure of

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the ogallala and the panhandle

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basically shows are an

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estimate of how many years

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until that portion of the

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aquifer is depleted and this is

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based off of some back of the

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envelope calculations that we

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did assuming you had a70 feet of

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saturated thickness and we're

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pumping at or could pump at250

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gallons a minute and those

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are very minimum amounts so as

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you can see theres some portions

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of the aquifer that there's not

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as much saturation to be able

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to continue pumping

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anything over green is what

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we're estimating over 100 years

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left in the Ogolana aquifer.

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this

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at current pumping rates and

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declines actually it's at

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current declines of water use

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or at at current saturated at

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current saturated thickness

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pumping at current rates and

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showing those current declines

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that's how many years that we

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anticipate or or estimating

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at this time we have a contract

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with the US Geological Survey at

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the moment to update our equal

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proportionate share maximum

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yield calculations and as part

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of that groundwater model

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they'll be doing some estimates

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very similar to this but this is

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a kind of preliminary

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numbers just to say hey this is

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kind of what we're looking at

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and then this is the permits

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that map with the permits

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overlaid on top of that and it

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kind of shows where the aquifer

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is being used

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I believe in Texas County and

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the north

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west portion of that where we

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see some of the quote

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insufficient saturation or0 to20

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feet of years remaining we see a

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lot of permits out there so that

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that's an area we probably need

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to start might be an area of

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concern

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to go out there and collect a

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little bit more data or talk

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with the landowners and ask is

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this kind of what you're seeing

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so again this is a kind of

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our preliminary map to say hey

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this is kind of what's going on

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you don't know what's going

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on unless you look

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and then this is a movie of

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depletion of the okkullala

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panhandle aquifer from 1981

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showing the rates of decline the

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yellow is 30 to40 feet we start

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seeing reds60 to 80 ft of

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decline 80 to100 with the

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purple and over 100 ft with

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that deep red

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again

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that was only through the2020s

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and this only starts in 1981

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you can go on the web and find

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articles dating back to 19811982

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that say hey what are we going

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to do with the ogallala it's

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already declining at rates

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that are pretty quick

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and specifically in Oklahoma

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some of those articles so we

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already had declines in Oklahoma

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this just shows hey from 81

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to2022 I think it was we're

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seeing in some areas that have

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had 1100 ft over 100 ft of

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decline

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Rush springs is another aquifer

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that we have a little bit of

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concern about Caddo County as I

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mentioned was the fourth largest

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county where we have groundwater

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use the the top left graph there

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is a particular well that shows

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data dating back into the 1940s

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and that well has lost about540

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to50 feet of saturated thickness

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and

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that well on this map isn't

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even in the area where we see

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the largest declines

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and between2005 and2020 in

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catttlell County that's almost

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about 2 ft of average decline in

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that aquifer

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now in the state of Oklahoma we

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don't

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consider the surface water

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groundwater interaction and

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but it

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exists

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and

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fort Cobbreservoir relies a lot

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on groundwater that seeps out

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into the springs and streams and

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so that reservoir relies on that

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groundwater to keep it full and

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so the you know fort Cobbmaster

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Conservancy is interested in

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understanding you know if we

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have continued declines in the

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rush springs aquifer what effect

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does that have on that reservoir

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and their ability to provide

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drinking water to the public

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gar ver Wellington is another

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aquifer it's over central

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Oklahoma Oklahoma City gets

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their water from surface water

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a lot of the communities around

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Oklama City get their water from

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groundwater and the figure on

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the right is showing basically a

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subtraction between two datasets

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that we have and it shows in

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some areas between 1987 and2009

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we had up to 30 ft of loss of

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that thickness of that aquifer

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and so there are some areas that

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might be a little bit more

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concerned down at the moreore

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and Norman area. I know the city

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of Mustang also has

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wells in that dark red area and

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that's shown declines between

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those two time frames the top

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graph again is a well

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neareddmmon that's showing

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about40 feet drop 35.9 ft of

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drop in twenty5 years

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again

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not to be alarming but this is

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what kind of some of the data is

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showing and for us just to know

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this is what's kind of going on

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in some of these aquifers

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ga in Northork of the edriver

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this also is kind of a

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controversial area we have lurid

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altus that's downstream the the

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or down gradient that provides

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water for the luridaltus

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00:40:42,596 --> 00:40:42,846
irrigation district and they

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have some concern on groundwater

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that's being used upstream

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and it's ability to provide

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any water to that reservoir. So

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what happens is we have

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rainfall some of that soaks into

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the ground some of it runs off

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00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:01,330
the reservoir captures what's

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runs off. there's some of that

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00:41:04,846 --> 00:41:05,096
water that soaks in and leaks

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00:41:07,113 --> 00:41:07,363
out and that's what they're kind

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00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:08,880
of concerned with so they're

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interested in knowing how much

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00:41:10,846 --> 00:41:11,096
of that groundwater that seeps

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00:41:14,580 --> 00:41:14,830
out fills in that aquifer and

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00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:17,130
so from2015 to2025 in the north

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fork of the red there's just one

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00:41:20,580 --> 00:41:20,830
well in particular there that we

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pulled up some data that top

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00:41:23,313 --> 00:41:23,563
figure shows about 16 ft of

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00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:24,130
drawdown for an a

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qui f er that's probably not too

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00:41:30,363 --> 00:41:30,613
thick in that area. maybe 100

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00:41:31,046 --> 00:41:31,296
ft in that area

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00:41:34,830 --> 00:41:35,080
some of these alluvium teris

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aquifers are really thin 30 ft

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00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:39,330
of of thickness is all some of

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00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:41,280
them have a little bit more 100

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00:41:44,363 --> 00:41:44,613
to120 feet of thickness. rush

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00:41:46,363 --> 00:41:46,613
springs is about 30 ft

402
00:41:48,846 --> 00:41:49,096
thick on average that's a

403
00:41:50,346 --> 00:41:50,596
bedrock aquifer garber

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00:41:51,196 --> 00:41:51,446
wellington maybe average 3 to500

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00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,130
feet

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00:41:54,413 --> 00:41:54,663
question

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00:42:01,130 --> 00:42:01,380
you're recognized thank you Mr

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00:42:03,130 --> 00:42:03,380
Chair you talked about that

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00:42:05,113 --> 00:42:05,363
Altaslake that irrigation

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00:42:07,130 --> 00:42:07,380
district and then the people up

411
00:42:09,096 --> 00:42:09,346
above it do is do you feel

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00:42:11,096 --> 00:42:11,346
there's a correlation with you

413
00:42:12,846 --> 00:42:13,096
know the lake is it hurting the

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00:42:14,613 --> 00:42:14,863
people up above or the people up

415
00:42:15,263 --> 00:42:15,513
above hurting the lake do you

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00:42:18,563 --> 00:42:18,813
do you see a correlation between

417
00:42:19,230 --> 00:42:19,480
the two

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00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:23,130
I think any any drop of water

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00:42:24,580 --> 00:42:24,830
you take out of a system is

420
00:42:26,346 --> 00:42:26,596
going to affect that system to a

421
00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:28,580
certain extent and I think there

422
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:29,630
needs to be a little bit more

423
00:42:30,613 --> 00:42:30,863
let's look at this a little bit

424
00:42:33,163 --> 00:42:33,413
more if this is a concern you

425
00:42:35,113 --> 00:42:35,363
know if I take a drink out of a

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00:42:38,346 --> 00:42:38,596
cup of water my son's cup of

427
00:42:39,113 --> 00:42:39,363
water he might get aggravated at

428
00:42:40,846 --> 00:42:41,096
me cause that's one less drink

429
00:42:42,363 --> 00:42:42,613
that he would have or if it's a

430
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:43,280
coke for sure he would get

431
00:42:44,863 --> 00:42:45,113
aggravated at me but do think

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00:42:48,380 --> 00:42:48,630
that if there are any drop of

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00:42:49,046 --> 00:42:49,296
water that's taken out does have

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00:42:49,713 --> 00:42:49,963
an effect on the

435
00:42:52,363 --> 00:42:52,613
system so I think it's something

436
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:53,280
that we would need to look at a

437
00:42:53,696 --> 00:42:53,946
little bit more.

438
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:56,880
is that a good kind of waffling

439
00:42:57,346 --> 00:42:57,596
on the fence answer for you

440
00:43:02,580 --> 00:43:02,830
this is a long term water level

441
00:43:03,313 --> 00:43:03,563
responses in some of these

442
00:43:04,830 --> 00:43:05,080
aquifers. What I really want to

443
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:06,830
point out here is it's really

444
00:43:08,563 --> 00:43:08,813
kind of it's hard to read but

445
00:43:10,363 --> 00:43:10,613
the gray areas on each one of

446
00:43:11,063 --> 00:43:11,313
these graphs going left to right

447
00:43:13,046 --> 00:43:13,296
and they start about 1900 and

448
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:14,880
the water levels kind of kick up

449
00:43:16,830 --> 00:43:17,080
whether in the fiftiess or60s

450
00:43:18,596 --> 00:43:18,846
and these are just kind of

451
00:43:19,213 --> 00:43:19,463
average water levels but what I

452
00:43:21,096 --> 00:43:21,346
want to show on this graph is

453
00:43:22,596 --> 00:43:22,846
like a little gray areas that

454
00:43:25,096 --> 00:43:25,346
are going from the top to

455
00:43:28,363 --> 00:43:28,613
bottom are are drought periods

456
00:43:29,013 --> 00:43:29,263
and when we go into a drought

457
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:29,930
these

458
00:43:32,913 --> 00:43:33,163
aquifers definitely respond they

459
00:43:35,046 --> 00:43:35,296
the water is either being taken

460
00:43:36,830 --> 00:43:37,080
out and not replenished through

461
00:43:38,563 --> 00:43:38,813
rainfall or some of it's leaking

462
00:43:42,363 --> 00:43:42,613
out into the creeks providing

463
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,330
base flow but there's def

464
00:43:44,613 --> 00:43:44,863
there's a correlation between

465
00:43:46,846 --> 00:43:47,096
some of our droughts and the

466
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,730
water levels in the aquifer

467
00:43:52,380 --> 00:43:52,630
so that's kind of the current

468
00:43:54,346 --> 00:43:54,596
conditions at the water board is

469
00:43:56,580 --> 00:43:56,830
sc specifically and water rights

470
00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:57,580
what we what we're looking at

471
00:44:00,846 --> 00:44:01,096
what I want to do is talk about

472
00:44:02,596 --> 00:44:02,846
how we're restoring core

473
00:44:04,846 --> 00:44:05,096
capacity if there's any

474
00:44:06,596 --> 00:44:06,846
questions or what I've kind of

475
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:09,130
presented as I go through the

476
00:44:10,613 --> 00:44:10,863
rest of this presentation feel

477
00:44:11,263 --> 00:44:11,513
free to ask

478
00:44:15,096 --> 00:44:15,346
Over the last 2 to 4 years we've

479
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:17,330
gotten an influx of some

480
00:44:20,613 --> 00:44:20,863
appropriations to help

481
00:44:21,096 --> 00:44:21,346
restore some of our core

482
00:44:22,596 --> 00:44:22,846
capacity we've talked about this

483
00:44:23,330 --> 00:44:23,580
Julie's talked about it at the

484
00:44:26,346 --> 00:44:26,596
governor's water conference and

485
00:44:28,330 --> 00:44:28,580
we've been able to hire just a

486
00:44:30,546 --> 00:44:30,796
little bit more staff in

487
00:44:32,863 --> 00:44:33,113
the2010s we had again I

488
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:34,630
mentioned we had budget cuts we

489
00:44:35,113 --> 00:44:35,363
closed all of our offices

490
00:44:37,113 --> 00:44:37,363
positions weren't rehired we had

491
00:44:38,863 --> 00:44:39,113
about6 people running our

492
00:44:39,396 --> 00:44:39,646
permitting

493
00:44:42,363 --> 00:44:42,613
permitting department

494
00:44:46,346 --> 00:44:46,596
what we've done over the last

495
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:49,080
five years is we've adjusted

496
00:44:49,463 --> 00:44:49,713
some of our outdated fee

497
00:44:51,130 --> 00:44:51,380
structures and then we requested

498
00:44:54,346 --> 00:44:54,596
those appropriations that

499
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:57,130
representative Newton has a

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00:44:59,113 --> 00:44:59,363
championed at least for

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00:45:01,363 --> 00:45:01,613
groundwater and groundwater

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00:45:02,846 --> 00:45:03,096
compliance. so we've been

503
00:45:04,613 --> 00:45:04,863
addressing a backlog of

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00:45:06,813 --> 00:45:07,063
applications basic housekeeping

505
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:07,730
things like that

506
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,130
and of course there's Julie at

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00:45:12,346 --> 00:45:12,596
our governor's our conference

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00:45:14,346 --> 00:45:14,596
who was probably giving that

509
00:45:15,013 --> 00:45:15,263
that talk right there we need to

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00:45:15,746 --> 00:45:15,996
restore core capacity

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00:45:19,396 --> 00:45:19,646
She came into my office as we

512
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:21,130
were going over that and it's

513
00:45:22,346 --> 00:45:22,596
like you're not going to use

514
00:45:24,846 --> 00:45:25,096
that so this graph shows

515
00:45:28,330 --> 00:45:28,580
basically the number of staff

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00:45:29,113 --> 00:45:29,363
that we've had for our

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00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:31,380
permitting and as you can see

518
00:45:36,363 --> 00:45:36,613
there throughout2019 to2021,22

519
00:45:39,096 --> 00:45:39,346
we only had about5 or6 staff and

520
00:45:42,363 --> 00:45:42,613
through some of those raising

521
00:45:43,396 --> 00:45:43,646
fees we look at other states

522
00:45:46,363 --> 00:45:46,613
what are other states doing if

523
00:45:47,046 --> 00:45:47,296
they're they're raising their

524
00:45:47,713 --> 00:45:47,963
rates we're kind of kind of

525
00:45:48,263 --> 00:45:48,513
going

526
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:49,730
into

527
00:45:52,346 --> 00:45:52,596
seeing how much time permitting

528
00:45:54,596 --> 00:45:54,846
process takes how much of what

529
00:45:55,396 --> 00:45:55,646
that cost is we're looking at

530
00:45:57,163 --> 00:45:57,413
what other states are doing and

531
00:46:00,613 --> 00:46:00,863
we're adjusting those fee rates

532
00:46:03,146 --> 00:46:03,396
for a permit application based

533
00:46:06,846 --> 00:46:07,096
off of those numbers so we've in

534
00:46:08,613 --> 00:46:08,863
adjusted that fee rates we've

535
00:46:09,263 --> 00:46:09,513
gotten the additional

536
00:46:10,863 --> 00:46:11,113
appropriations and we'll be able

537
00:46:13,096 --> 00:46:13,346
to hire staff to even you know

538
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:14,880
you don't know what you have in

539
00:46:16,346 --> 00:46:16,596
the cupboard unless you look so

540
00:46:17,030 --> 00:46:17,280
that's basically what it is

541
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:23,480
and

542
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,130
if you look at the bottom

543
00:46:28,930 --> 00:46:29,180
graph2025 that gray number is

544
00:46:30,946 --> 00:46:31,196
the total number of permit

545
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:31,730
applications that we were able

546
00:46:34,363 --> 00:46:34,613
to process in2025 it corresponds

547
00:46:36,613 --> 00:46:36,863
to the number of staff we've

548
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:39,380
been able to increase. if you

549
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:43,130
look back to201w2ish area you

550
00:46:45,146 --> 00:46:45,396
also see high number there

551
00:46:47,130 --> 00:46:47,380
and but it's a lower amount of

552
00:46:50,380 --> 00:46:50,630
permits I think we were in kind

553
00:46:51,046 --> 00:46:51,296
of that phase of we got to get

554
00:46:51,713 --> 00:46:51,963
these

555
00:46:52,896 --> 00:46:53,146
permits out we got to get these

556
00:46:54,363 --> 00:46:54,613
permits out we got to get these

557
00:46:56,363 --> 00:46:56,613
permits out and we missed a lot

558
00:46:58,363 --> 00:46:58,613
of things there are probably a

559
00:46:59,113 --> 00:46:59,363
lot of issues with a lot of

560
00:47:01,363 --> 00:47:01,613
permits that were issued back

561
00:47:04,363 --> 00:47:04,613
around that time and so that's

562
00:47:05,146 --> 00:47:05,396
some of the housekeeping that we

563
00:47:08,346 --> 00:47:08,596
kind of need to look at. So for

564
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:09,330
instance if you got a permit

565
00:47:12,346 --> 00:47:12,596
in2012 and you come back and

566
00:47:13,363 --> 00:47:13,613
oops we forgot to put this well

567
00:47:14,830 --> 00:47:15,080
on your in your

568
00:47:20,346 --> 00:47:20,596
notice public notice packet

569
00:47:20,946 --> 00:47:21,196
well when you do your amendment

570
00:47:23,046 --> 00:47:23,296
we put that well in that notice

571
00:47:24,846 --> 00:47:25,096
if you're coming back to add

572
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:26,880
more water to your to your well

573
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:27,530
so some of those housekeeping

574
00:47:27,946 --> 00:47:28,196
things

575
00:47:30,863 --> 00:47:31,113
What I'd like to point out is

576
00:47:32,580 --> 00:47:32,830
one of the things that we were

577
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:34,630
told is that the water board

578
00:47:34,996 --> 00:47:35,246
takes so long to get these

579
00:47:37,130 --> 00:47:37,380
permits out and while that is

580
00:47:40,813 --> 00:47:41,063
true it's this interplay of

581
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:43,130
you're applying for a water ride

582
00:47:44,896 --> 00:47:45,146
you just send in a piece of mail

583
00:47:48,380 --> 00:47:48,630
and it goes at the bottom of the

584
00:47:49,130 --> 00:47:49,380
stack and we work down

585
00:47:54,613 --> 00:47:54,863
and or an email and we get

586
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:56,830
there we work on your permit we

587
00:47:57,213 --> 00:47:57,463
send you hey this is kind of

588
00:47:58,563 --> 00:47:58,813
wrong can you make these

589
00:48:00,563 --> 00:48:00,813
corrections? you put it down on

590
00:48:01,396 --> 00:48:01,646
your desk it sits there for two

591
00:48:02,096 --> 00:48:02,346
months and he's oh I've got a a

592
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:05,380
I've got to fill that out and

593
00:48:06,596 --> 00:48:06,846
you send it back to us it goes

594
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:07,530
back to the bottom of the list

595
00:48:10,613 --> 00:48:10,863
and what we started doing after

596
00:48:12,596 --> 00:48:12,846
talking with the state of Texas

597
00:48:14,846 --> 00:48:15,096
I know sorry we got an idea from

598
00:48:16,846 --> 00:48:17,096
Texas but anyway they said hey

599
00:48:19,063 --> 00:48:19,313
if you sit down with your with

600
00:48:20,913 --> 00:48:21,163
your people who want permits it

601
00:48:22,363 --> 00:48:22,613
helps out with that process a

602
00:48:23,146 --> 00:48:23,396
lot more. who would have thought

603
00:48:24,863 --> 00:48:25,113
if you actually sat down with

604
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,130
somebody right? So when you

605
00:48:28,863 --> 00:48:29,113
apply for a permit we highly

606
00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:31,080
recommend you come in and sit

607
00:48:32,613 --> 00:48:32,863
down with us and what we found

608
00:48:34,380 --> 00:48:34,630
is that knocks off about 3

609
00:48:34,946 --> 00:48:35,196
months off of that process time

610
00:48:38,580 --> 00:48:38,830
and so if you come in and sit

611
00:48:40,346 --> 00:48:40,596
down with us we help you fill it

612
00:48:41,396 --> 00:48:41,646
out it's basically ready to go.

613
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:44,880
Our permanit specialist they see

614
00:48:46,346 --> 00:48:46,596
that face to face connection and

615
00:48:47,113 --> 00:48:47,363
they say oh Josh I really like

616
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:49,380
you know we had such a great

617
00:48:50,613 --> 00:48:50,863
time filling out your

618
00:48:51,146 --> 00:48:51,396
application. I'm gonna go finish

619
00:48:53,113 --> 00:48:53,363
it out right now goes through

620
00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:54,880
the process he gets his notice

621
00:48:56,896 --> 00:48:57,146
packets you know relatively

622
00:48:58,596 --> 00:48:58,846
quickly versus someone that's

623
00:49:01,113 --> 00:49:01,363
sends in those packets and it it

624
00:49:04,346 --> 00:49:04,596
might wait but the amount of

625
00:49:05,063 --> 00:49:05,313
time that these permits have

626
00:49:08,380 --> 00:49:08,630
taken if you have an appointment

627
00:49:10,330 --> 00:49:10,580
with us it usually knocks about

628
00:49:10,963 --> 00:49:11,213
three months off of that

629
00:49:11,513 --> 00:49:11,763
process.

630
00:49:14,596 --> 00:49:14,846
and that's just data from

631
00:49:17,096 --> 00:49:17,346
late2023 through2025 we started

632
00:49:17,763 --> 00:49:18,013
keeping track of that

633
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:22,880
the number of complaints we get,

634
00:49:25,146 --> 00:49:25,396
you know previous to about 2020

635
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,130
there was one guy you know on

636
00:49:28,580 --> 00:49:28,830
the phone he'd be on the phone

637
00:49:31,113 --> 00:49:31,363
he'd write it down and if he got

638
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:33,130
out in the field to check it out

639
00:49:36,863 --> 00:49:37,113
who knows but as we started

640
00:49:38,363 --> 00:49:38,613
getting a little bit of that

641
00:49:40,580 --> 00:49:40,830
core capacity back we're able to

642
00:49:44,363 --> 00:49:44,613
hire an additional person and we

643
00:49:45,180 --> 00:49:45,430
can actually go out and

644
00:49:48,646 --> 00:49:48,896
investigate these complaints is

645
00:49:49,263 --> 00:49:49,513
this well too close? Is there

646
00:49:51,196 --> 00:49:51,446
too much pumping going on?

647
00:49:53,113 --> 00:49:53,363
what's the issue here?2 people

648
00:49:54,830 --> 00:49:55,080
fighting I think we had a

649
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:58,880
complaint about two folks out in

650
00:50:00,613 --> 00:50:00,863
the panhandle and one of them

651
00:50:02,913 --> 00:50:03,163
said meet me at the stockyards

652
00:50:04,913 --> 00:50:05,163
and we'll finish this out and

653
00:50:05,496 --> 00:50:05,746
sure enough they met at the

654
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:07,380
stockyards and had a fistfight

655
00:50:08,613 --> 00:50:08,863
and the well driller was sitting

656
00:50:10,346 --> 00:50:10,596
there. what am I supposed to do?

657
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:11,330
they're on the phone with us

658
00:50:13,130 --> 00:50:13,380
take photos I mean I don't I

659
00:50:13,813 --> 00:50:14,063
don't know

660
00:50:17,330 --> 00:50:17,580
so these issues are there's more

661
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:20,863
issues that are rising people

662
00:50:22,363 --> 00:50:22,613
are starting to rely on us a

663
00:50:23,096 --> 00:50:23,346
little bit more to help them

664
00:50:26,330 --> 00:50:26,580
figure out a lot of these

665
00:50:26,896 --> 00:50:27,146
complaints and water issues

666
00:50:30,813 --> 00:50:31,063
I'd mentioned we have a well

667
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:32,863
drillers program that the well

668
00:50:34,863 --> 00:50:35,113
drillers are now required to

669
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:37,330
submit a intent to drill for

670
00:50:38,846 --> 00:50:39,096
anything that requires a permit

671
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:41,330
not for domestic use. this is an

672
00:50:43,046 --> 00:50:43,296
example on the bottom of what

673
00:50:46,380 --> 00:50:46,630
we're seeing out there there's a

674
00:50:48,613 --> 00:50:48,863
hole or cavity that's opened up

675
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:51,080
and you can see some cement

676
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:52,880
around that well. Well that

677
00:50:54,596 --> 00:50:54,846
cement is supposed to be 10 to20

678
00:50:55,296 --> 00:50:55,546
feet depending on the

679
00:50:56,613 --> 00:50:56,863
circumstance and that well

680
00:50:57,163 --> 00:50:57,413
driller just put in maybe foot

681
00:51:01,013 --> 00:51:01,263
and something bad happened to

682
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:01,930
this

683
00:51:04,846 --> 00:51:05,096
that program was established in

684
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:05,730
1973

685
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:11,330
and our well drillers go out

686
00:51:12,546 --> 00:51:12,796
and they inspect some of these

687
00:51:13,230 --> 00:51:13,480
wells

688
00:51:18,613 --> 00:51:18,863
through those budget cuts we

689
00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:21,396
were down to about two staff and

690
00:51:22,863 --> 00:51:23,113
they didn't have enough time to

691
00:51:24,863 --> 00:51:25,113
go out and do well inspections.

692
00:51:28,346 --> 00:51:28,596
so here's a graph showing the

693
00:51:30,346 --> 00:51:30,596
number of well inspections we

694
00:51:32,863 --> 00:51:33,113
hired some folks in late2024 and

695
00:51:34,563 --> 00:51:34,813
we've been able to increase our

696
00:51:36,846 --> 00:51:37,096
well inspections visiting

697
00:51:37,396 --> 00:51:37,646
with those

698
00:51:40,596 --> 00:51:40,846
well drillers making those

699
00:51:42,813 --> 00:51:43,063
connections and our

700
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:46,880
those people's names are getting

701
00:51:48,613 --> 00:51:48,863
out there our staff so they know

702
00:51:50,330 --> 00:51:50,580
oh Jason's coming out or

703
00:51:51,346 --> 00:51:51,596
Charlie's coming out or whatever

704
00:51:54,346 --> 00:51:54,596
and so it's just getting a lot

705
00:51:55,146 --> 00:51:55,396
more field presence over the

706
00:51:57,163 --> 00:51:57,413
last couple of years with those

707
00:51:59,080 --> 00:51:59,330
slight increases in

708
00:51:59,546 --> 00:51:59,796
appropriations

709
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:04,880
Neil I got I do have a question

710
00:52:06,363 --> 00:52:06,613
from vice chairir west and just

711
00:52:08,363 --> 00:52:08,613
a couple of pages back we're

712
00:52:09,163 --> 00:52:09,413
gonna try to catch them as we go

713
00:52:09,830 --> 00:52:10,080
if you don't mind.

714
00:52:12,796 --> 00:52:13,046
thank you Mr Chairman.

715
00:52:16,363 --> 00:52:16,613
go

716
00:52:16,913 --> 00:52:17,163
a couple of questions

717
00:52:22,563 --> 00:52:22,813
the field offices that what what

718
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:23,480
was their job

719
00:52:27,146 --> 00:52:27,396
so the field offices we'd have

720
00:52:30,863 --> 00:52:31,113
you know a couple of guys

721
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:33,130
Kim was Kim Suivan was his name

722
00:52:35,130 --> 00:52:35,380
or Hank you know down in the law

723
00:52:38,346 --> 00:52:38,596
in office and if you had you

724
00:52:38,963 --> 00:52:39,213
know permit questions you

725
00:52:40,363 --> 00:52:40,613
wouldn't have to drive all the

726
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,130
way to Oklahoma City and they

727
00:52:43,513 --> 00:52:43,763
may even know you by name. we

728
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:45,380
had those present that presence

729
00:52:48,363 --> 00:52:48,613
out there for years for decades

730
00:52:50,613 --> 00:52:50,863
and so their job was to kind of

731
00:52:52,346 --> 00:52:52,596
do a little bit of everything

732
00:52:53,046 --> 00:52:53,296
help people with permits and

733
00:52:53,713 --> 00:52:53,963
help them fill it out

734
00:52:56,363 --> 00:52:56,613
they may go do some of these

735
00:52:57,113 --> 00:52:57,363
well inspections I talked about

736
00:52:59,146 --> 00:52:59,396
or if there was a complaint they

737
00:53:00,846 --> 00:53:01,096
were down there and they would

738
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,130
go talk with people and

739
00:53:04,846 --> 00:53:05,096
figure it out. So we had offices

740
00:53:09,096 --> 00:53:09,346
in Tulsa in Mccalister in

741
00:53:13,146 --> 00:53:13,396
Woodward and in lawwin and over

742
00:53:15,113 --> 00:53:15,363
the years we closed down those

743
00:53:17,196 --> 00:53:17,446
offices so their jobs were

744
00:53:18,863 --> 00:53:19,113
basically some of this core

745
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,130
capacity I was talking about

746
00:53:22,830 --> 00:53:23,080
that we're able to hire staff to

747
00:53:23,496 --> 00:53:23,746
be able to go fill those pos

748
00:53:25,096 --> 00:53:25,346
ition s back now but we're

749
00:53:26,363 --> 00:53:26,613
stationed in Oklahoma City.

750
00:53:32,963 --> 00:53:33,213
you recognized thank you

751
00:53:33,380 --> 00:53:33,630
chairman

752
00:53:36,413 --> 00:53:36,663
what

753
00:53:40,613 --> 00:53:40,863
what positions were saved

754
00:53:46,563 --> 00:53:46,813
positions you you cut all the

755
00:53:47,196 --> 00:53:47,446
field offices were closed

756
00:53:49,330 --> 00:53:49,580
position's not hard

757
00:53:54,996 --> 00:53:55,246
so throughout the20tens what

758
00:53:59,046 --> 00:53:59,296
positions were kept so we had

759
00:54:02,596 --> 00:54:02,846
positions in our water rights

760
00:54:04,563 --> 00:54:04,813
permitting so we're basically

761
00:54:06,596 --> 00:54:06,846
just lowering the number of

762
00:54:07,263 --> 00:54:07,513
staff that we had we're

763
00:54:08,596 --> 00:54:08,846
decreasing the size of

764
00:54:10,346 --> 00:54:10,596
government so where we may have

765
00:54:12,830 --> 00:54:13,080
had 10 perbiting staff at you

766
00:54:16,330 --> 00:54:16,580
know at that point we had ive we

767
00:54:18,330 --> 00:54:18,580
may have had 3 or4 people in our

768
00:54:19,246 --> 00:54:19,496
well drillers program we dropped

769
00:54:20,396 --> 00:54:20,646
that to two the people that were

770
00:54:21,063 --> 00:54:21,313
working

771
00:54:24,580 --> 00:54:24,830
on the technical studies that

772
00:54:25,363 --> 00:54:25,613
may have that's always kind of

773
00:54:26,846 --> 00:54:27,096
traditionally been about two

774
00:54:30,346 --> 00:54:30,596
people so those were the types

775
00:54:31,113 --> 00:54:31,363
of positions so when you cut

776
00:54:34,563 --> 00:54:34,813
those down the amount of time

777
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:37,330
for applications goes up we make

778
00:54:38,580 --> 00:54:38,830
there are more mistakes made on

779
00:54:40,863 --> 00:54:41,113
some of these applications or

780
00:54:42,346 --> 00:54:42,596
we're not able to go out and

781
00:54:44,346 --> 00:54:44,596
inspect wells to make sure there

782
00:54:45,063 --> 00:54:45,313
are good well drillers out there

783
00:54:45,746 --> 00:54:45,996
drilling those wells

784
00:54:51,096 --> 00:54:51,346
d d ition al follow up you're

785
00:54:53,063 --> 00:54:53,313
recognized thank you Mr

786
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:53,880
chairirman

787
00:54:56,813 --> 00:54:57,063
of the positions that

788
00:55:02,346 --> 00:55:02,596
you terminated or was to not you

789
00:55:04,563 --> 00:55:04,813
but was terminated and the ones

790
00:55:05,246 --> 00:55:05,496
that were kept

791
00:55:06,546 --> 00:55:06,796
especially

792
00:55:10,530 --> 00:55:10,780
which ones of those do you think

793
00:55:11,196 --> 00:55:11,446
were

794
00:55:12,630 --> 00:55:12,880
the most important

795
00:55:15,163 --> 00:55:15,413
that's a very good question

796
00:55:18,563 --> 00:55:18,813
I would have to think about that

797
00:55:22,563 --> 00:55:22,813
it's kind of like if you took

798
00:55:24,346 --> 00:55:24,596
the House of Representatives and

799
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:25,330
cut out half of everybody

800
00:55:30,613 --> 00:55:30,863
right and you now have

801
00:55:35,096 --> 00:55:35,346
now you have to cover twice as

802
00:55:38,346 --> 00:55:38,596
much area and had to talk with

803
00:55:40,613 --> 00:55:40,863
twice as many constituents and

804
00:55:42,846 --> 00:55:43,096
now the question is which one of

805
00:55:45,296 --> 00:55:45,546
those representatives were the

806
00:55:47,096 --> 00:55:47,346
most important you know that's

807
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:49,096
that's a tricky question. So I

808
00:55:49,546 --> 00:55:49,796
would would have to think about

809
00:55:50,213 --> 00:55:50,463
it it's really good

810
00:55:55,096 --> 00:55:55,346
OK continue on thank you sir

811
00:56:01,096 --> 00:56:01,346
So I mentioned the intent to

812
00:56:02,813 --> 00:56:03,063
drill process this is probably

813
00:56:06,780 --> 00:56:07,030
one of the great examples of the

814
00:56:09,396 --> 00:56:09,646
issues that have come up the

815
00:56:15,130 --> 00:56:15,380
map here shows three wells that

816
00:56:16,913 --> 00:56:17,163
were drilled on an application

817
00:56:18,613 --> 00:56:18,863
and

818
00:56:22,363 --> 00:56:22,613
traditionally what would happen

819
00:56:24,830 --> 00:56:25,080
is hey I'm going to apply for a

820
00:56:26,580 --> 00:56:26,830
permit they wouldn't call us

821
00:56:28,363 --> 00:56:28,613
they call the well driller and

822
00:56:29,130 --> 00:56:29,380
they would say hey come drill my

823
00:56:30,863 --> 00:56:31,113
wells. I know exactly where I

824
00:56:32,580 --> 00:56:32,830
want to put them. I want to see

825
00:56:34,613 --> 00:56:34,863
if there's water there and then

826
00:56:35,346 --> 00:56:35,596
we're gonna drill them and then

827
00:56:36,346 --> 00:56:36,596
I'll go apply for a permit

828
00:56:39,330 --> 00:56:39,580
so in this case that's what the

829
00:56:40,613 --> 00:56:40,863
well driller did they drilled

830
00:56:44,613 --> 00:56:44,863
these three wells and the found

831
00:56:46,396 --> 00:56:46,646
you know good water and so

832
00:56:49,113 --> 00:56:49,363
they sent in their application

833
00:56:50,396 --> 00:56:50,646
to go to notice and it was

834
00:56:50,946 --> 00:56:51,196
protested

835
00:56:53,146 --> 00:56:53,396
and right across the street

836
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:55,130
where the yellow arrow is

837
00:56:57,163 --> 00:56:57,413
pointed it's another well within

838
00:56:58,896 --> 00:56:59,146
a couple 100 ft. it doesn't meet

839
00:56:59,563 --> 00:56:59,813
that well spacing

840
00:57:00,596 --> 00:57:00,846
and

841
00:57:02,580 --> 00:57:02,830
this went to a hearing

842
00:57:07,096 --> 00:57:07,346
and the hearing examiner issued

843
00:57:10,846 --> 00:57:11,096
a order and the hearing examiner

844
00:57:14,596 --> 00:57:14,846
said that well that's closest

845
00:57:15,213 --> 00:57:15,463
because there is already a

846
00:57:16,596 --> 00:57:16,846
permit in place and it doesn't

847
00:57:19,096 --> 00:57:19,346
meet well spacing that well over

848
00:57:22,580 --> 00:57:22,830
on to the left cannot be used.

849
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:25,330
it's not supposed to be used so

850
00:57:26,846 --> 00:57:27,096
the person who applied for this

851
00:57:28,630 --> 00:57:28,880
permit got their perm permit

852
00:57:30,863 --> 00:57:31,113
they can't use that well that

853
00:57:32,646 --> 00:57:32,896
well probably costs them

854
00:57:33,213 --> 00:57:33,463
anywhere from60, to100,000

855
00:57:33,780 --> 00:57:34,030
dollars to d

856
00:57:36,346 --> 00:57:36,596
ri ll that the landowner lost

857
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:37,280
out on

858
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:40,880
and it put our board in such a

859
00:57:42,613 --> 00:57:42,863
difficult position that you just

860
00:57:44,346 --> 00:57:44,596
spent $100,000 to drill your

861
00:57:46,363 --> 00:57:46,613
well and we're telling you you

862
00:57:47,130 --> 00:57:47,380
can't use it because you don't

863
00:57:48,830 --> 00:57:49,080
need well spacing because you

864
00:57:50,846 --> 00:57:51,096
drilled your wells before you

865
00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:52,630
talked with us or put in a

866
00:57:52,930 --> 00:57:53,180
permit application

867
00:57:54,846 --> 00:57:55,096
so again what the intent to

868
00:57:56,846 --> 00:57:57,096
drill process would now do if

869
00:57:58,580 --> 00:57:58,830
this person had gone to notice

870
00:58:01,063 --> 00:58:01,313
or had come to us, had gotten

871
00:58:02,896 --> 00:58:03,146
their permit the well driller

872
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:04,880
would have put in this permit

873
00:58:05,246 --> 00:58:05,496
number they would have talked to

874
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:07,130
us and we just said hey that

875
00:58:08,613 --> 00:58:08,863
well over on the left can't be

876
00:58:09,246 --> 00:58:09,496
drilled because there's another

877
00:58:11,113 --> 00:58:11,363
well close too close to your

878
00:58:13,113 --> 00:58:13,363
permit. so that's the intent to

879
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:15,130
drill process we have a number

880
00:58:18,346 --> 00:58:18,596
of these that are bored had to

881
00:58:20,863 --> 00:58:21,113
decline the use of a well or

882
00:58:22,546 --> 00:58:22,796
they made some restrictions on

883
00:58:23,230 --> 00:58:23,480
other wells sometimes

884
00:58:26,830 --> 00:58:27,080
if they don't like the board's

885
00:58:30,363 --> 00:58:30,613
decision this can go to court

886
00:58:30,996 --> 00:58:31,246
and we have a couple of cases

887
00:58:34,846 --> 00:58:35,096
the since this went into

888
00:58:38,580 --> 00:58:38,830
place we've had about495 of

889
00:58:40,580 --> 00:58:40,830
those that have come through and

890
00:58:42,613 --> 00:58:42,863
we've approved about 388 of

891
00:58:44,663 --> 00:58:44,913
those intend to drills that the

892
00:58:45,346 --> 00:58:45,596
well driller has submitted

893
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:47,130
so the the process

894
00:58:50,363 --> 00:58:50,613
let let me interrupt I think

895
00:58:51,046 --> 00:58:51,296
I have a question on that

896
00:58:52,813 --> 00:58:53,063
subject right quick before we

897
00:58:54,363 --> 00:58:54,613
leave that representative you're

898
00:58:55,063 --> 00:58:55,313
recognized

899
00:59:01,096 --> 00:59:01,346
Thank you chair. what what's

900
00:59:02,813 --> 00:59:03,063
the minimum feet you like

901
00:59:05,130 --> 00:59:05,380
between what's the minimum

902
00:59:05,696 --> 00:59:05,946
fee between whales

903
00:59:12,563 --> 00:59:12,813
so domestic use will start there

904
00:59:13,296 --> 00:59:13,546
if everybody in this room has a

905
00:59:15,113 --> 00:59:15,363
domestic well, actually you can

906
00:59:16,846 --> 00:59:17,096
place them right next to each

907
00:59:20,346 --> 00:59:20,596
other as far as you know you are

908
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:23,330
and we would allow that if for

909
00:59:25,346 --> 00:59:25,596
if it's for any beneficial uses

910
00:59:27,096 --> 00:59:27,346
that's when we'll look at well

911
00:59:28,863 --> 00:59:29,113
spacing distances and what we

912
00:59:30,780 --> 00:59:31,030
had for instance when we'd get

913
00:59:34,346 --> 00:59:34,596
when we would get applications

914
00:59:36,346 --> 00:59:36,596
for marijuana farms as you know

915
00:59:37,063 --> 00:59:37,313
some of those would be close to

916
00:59:42,330 --> 00:59:42,580
cities or towns or inside a a

917
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:43,530
subdivision or close by and the

918
00:59:45,113 --> 00:59:45,363
well spacing is tighter and they

919
00:59:49,096 --> 00:59:49,346
couldn't meet that 100,320 well

920
00:59:52,346 --> 00:59:52,596
spacing distance. some aquifers

921
00:59:53,030 --> 00:59:53,280
don't have a well spacing

922
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:55,430
distance at this point. there

923
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:57,330
were some rules that were put

924
01:00:00,830 --> 01:00:01,080
into place that changed that

925
01:00:01,413 --> 01:00:01,663
allowed us to

926
01:00:02,696 --> 01:00:02,946
est ab li sh walls spacing

927
01:00:08,413 --> 01:00:08,663
statewide so that distance is

928
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:11,480
1320 ft for bedrock aquifers if

929
01:00:12,946 --> 01:00:13,196
there's a permit they need to

930
01:00:14,663 --> 01:00:14,913
meet that. Now if it's a small

931
01:00:16,446 --> 01:00:16,696
piece of land you're putting in

932
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:18,930
a pecan orchard or something on

933
01:00:20,663 --> 01:00:20,913
10 acres and you can't meet that

934
01:00:22,746 --> 01:00:22,996
you would request a well

935
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:24,730
spacing exception we'd take a

936
01:00:25,230 --> 01:00:25,480
look at that and say well you do

937
01:00:26,713 --> 01:00:26,963
have a right to use that water

938
01:00:27,363 --> 01:00:27,613
will allow it this time

939
01:00:30,563 --> 01:00:30,813
so

940
01:00:32,630 --> 01:00:32,880
so

941
01:00:35,096 --> 01:00:35,346
like right here we've got this

942
01:00:38,896 --> 01:00:39,146
pivot it's got 3 wells so

943
01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:41,480
is that not in

944
01:00:46,446 --> 01:00:46,696
the spacing as far as the

945
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:48,930
well spacing how so is that all

946
01:00:50,413 --> 01:00:50,663
is it is it fine if it's on the

947
01:00:51,380 --> 01:00:51,630
same permit and it's the same

948
01:00:54,896 --> 01:00:55,146
user yeah if that's a good point

949
01:00:56,413 --> 01:00:56,663
if you're putting in your wells

950
01:00:57,213 --> 01:00:57,463
on your own property you don't

951
01:00:59,180 --> 01:00:59,430
have to meet that well spacing

952
01:01:00,946 --> 01:01:01,196
requirement it's just we're

953
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:02,663
wanting to make sure we are

954
01:01:03,380 --> 01:01:03,630
providing enough protection for

955
01:01:04,446 --> 01:01:04,696
the people that are around you

956
01:01:07,396 --> 01:01:07,646
thank you you're welcome

957
01:01:12,863 --> 01:01:13,113
Again I deal with this stuff

958
01:01:14,346 --> 01:01:14,596
every day and sometimes I might

959
01:01:14,996 --> 01:01:15,246
not explain something so feel

960
01:01:17,163 --> 01:01:17,413
free to ask questions there are

961
01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:18,080
no silly questions

962
01:01:22,696 --> 01:01:22,946
annual water use reporting again

963
01:01:24,430 --> 01:01:24,680
we're trying to store restore

964
01:01:26,363 --> 01:01:26,613
core capacity and we pulled

965
01:01:30,363 --> 01:01:30,613
our2025 water use and looked at

966
01:01:31,230 --> 01:01:31,480
how many people are or aren't

967
01:01:31,896 --> 01:01:32,146
reporting

968
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:33,680
and

969
01:01:40,830 --> 01:01:41,080
for2025 we had about 1000 of

970
01:01:44,413 --> 01:01:44,663
those 13,000 permits or

971
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:46,930
1w2,000 permits that did not

972
01:01:48,630 --> 01:01:48,880
report that we sent out cards to

973
01:01:50,613 --> 01:01:50,863
water use cards and

974
01:01:54,646 --> 01:01:54,896
this is just a graph of showing

975
01:01:56,613 --> 01:01:56,863
or a map showing where those

976
01:01:58,596 --> 01:01:58,846
people are located that did not

977
01:02:00,363 --> 01:02:00,613
submit water use reports to us

978
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:06,730
so what we do is we pull that

979
01:02:08,896 --> 01:02:09,146
number it was about 1000 we send

980
01:02:11,163 --> 01:02:11,413
out we usually send out a

981
01:02:14,963 --> 01:02:15,213
late notice in July. This was

982
01:02:16,746 --> 01:02:16,996
after that late notice we still

983
01:02:18,663 --> 01:02:18,913
had about 10an0 that didn't come

984
01:02:20,613 --> 01:02:20,863
into compliance and we reached

985
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:25,230
out and through that process

986
01:02:25,563 --> 01:02:25,813
got that number down to

987
01:02:27,263 --> 01:02:27,513
about500. now we're trying to

988
01:02:28,946 --> 01:02:29,196
figure out where do we go

989
01:02:30,913 --> 01:02:31,163
because we've never been here

990
01:02:32,713 --> 01:02:32,963
before we've never been to the

991
01:02:33,396 --> 01:02:33,646
point where

992
01:02:36,696 --> 01:02:36,946
we've looked at this data it's a

993
01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:38,680
requirement do we send out a

994
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:41,130
notice of violation do we is are

995
01:02:43,180 --> 01:02:43,430
there fines associated with this

996
01:02:44,963 --> 01:02:45,213
for not reporting if you haven't

997
01:02:46,913 --> 01:02:47,163
been reporting for years? is

998
01:02:50,513 --> 01:02:50,763
there a penalty for that and

999
01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:51,430
traditionally there hasn't been

1000
01:02:52,746 --> 01:02:52,996
you just you do or you don't

1001
01:02:53,413 --> 01:02:53,663
report it

1002
01:03:00,430 --> 01:03:00,680
and out of those546 permits

1003
01:03:02,646 --> 01:03:02,896
there's about 135 that didn't

1004
01:03:04,596 --> 01:03:04,846
report in2024 and2025.

1005
01:03:06,463 --> 01:03:06,713
so what do you do? do you

1006
01:03:10,930 --> 01:03:11,180
do you go knock on their door?

1007
01:03:11,613 --> 01:03:11,863
do you call them

1008
01:03:12,863 --> 01:03:13,113
that you know they won't answer

1009
01:03:14,863 --> 01:03:15,113
the door you come oh I'm not I'm

1010
01:03:18,696 --> 01:03:18,946
not home so we'll see what

1011
01:03:21,146 --> 01:03:21,396
that looks like and every year

1012
01:03:22,930 --> 01:03:23,180
that we we've done this in2024

1013
01:03:24,646 --> 01:03:24,896
and2025 we pulled the water use

1014
01:03:26,730 --> 01:03:26,980
we tried to figure out who it

1015
01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:28,930
has or hasn't reported and it

1016
01:03:31,096 --> 01:03:31,346
takes about675 hours to do that

1017
01:03:31,796 --> 01:03:32,046
of staff time

1018
01:03:34,930 --> 01:03:35,180
and part of that is because our

1019
01:03:38,646 --> 01:03:38,896
databases are2025 years old and

1020
01:03:40,996 --> 01:03:41,246
we're working on

1021
01:03:41,346 --> 01:03:41,596
modernization

1022
01:03:44,980 --> 01:03:45,230
so our databases aren't able to

1023
01:03:46,713 --> 01:03:46,963
tell us information that we need

1024
01:03:48,613 --> 01:03:48,863
to know at this point so we have

1025
01:03:49,296 --> 01:03:49,546
to do some of that manually

1026
01:03:52,663 --> 01:03:52,913
we're also doing more

1027
01:03:54,430 --> 01:03:54,680
outreachgain I've said we're

1028
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:55,430
trying to restore core capacity

1029
01:03:57,180 --> 01:03:57,430
we've hired some people over the

1030
01:04:00,463 --> 01:04:00,713
last couple of years and we're

1031
01:04:02,930 --> 01:04:03,180
actually trying to do like a

1032
01:04:05,463 --> 01:04:05,713
mobile field office we've gone

1033
01:04:08,763 --> 01:04:09,013
out toyyan we've gone to other

1034
01:04:11,180 --> 01:04:11,430
areas we've set up shop at the

1035
01:04:16,696 --> 01:04:16,946
the local extension office

1036
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:18,930
or whatnot I think somebody down

1037
01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:19,680
in Altus invited us to

1038
01:04:24,446 --> 01:04:24,696
their had set set a place up

1039
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:27,113
for us to go to and we've gotten

1040
01:04:28,963 --> 01:04:29,213
pretty good response. people are

1041
01:04:30,663 --> 01:04:30,913
coming in and trying to up their

1042
01:04:34,396 --> 01:04:34,646
update their permits so it's

1043
01:04:35,113 --> 01:04:35,363
just easier for us sometimes to

1044
01:04:36,913 --> 01:04:37,163
go out and put that notice out

1045
01:04:40,730 --> 01:04:40,980
there, posted on the web and

1046
01:04:41,330 --> 01:04:41,580
people have been taking

1047
01:04:41,896 --> 01:04:42,146
advantage of that

1048
01:04:45,130 --> 01:04:45,380
we've also sent out a water use

1049
01:04:46,963 --> 01:04:47,213
card to say hey you're expect

1050
01:04:48,713 --> 01:04:48,963
your water use report to come to

1051
01:04:50,413 --> 01:04:50,663
you here in the next couple of

1052
01:04:52,946 --> 01:04:53,196
months. this next year

1053
01:04:56,913 --> 01:04:57,163
for 20 six's water use we should

1054
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:58,730
be able to have a pay portal

1055
01:04:59,130 --> 01:04:59,380
where people can go in and

1056
01:05:01,213 --> 01:05:01,463
report that use again we're

1057
01:05:04,496 --> 01:05:04,746
modernizing our databases and

1058
01:05:05,513 --> 01:05:05,763
our ability to shore up some of

1059
01:05:06,196 --> 01:05:06,446
this

1060
01:05:09,196 --> 01:05:09,446
so this is some of the outreach

1061
01:05:12,663 --> 01:05:12,913
some of these figures are

1062
01:05:14,613 --> 01:05:14,863
picturesrs sitting down with

1063
01:05:17,263 --> 01:05:17,513
some of the patrons we work with

1064
01:05:18,980 --> 01:05:19,230
the one in the top in the middle

1065
01:05:22,413 --> 01:05:22,663
we went out and did some

1066
01:05:24,496 --> 01:05:24,746
outreach with a well driller who

1067
01:05:26,763 --> 01:05:27,013
was drilling a a well out near

1068
01:05:28,980 --> 01:05:29,230
Eri, Oklahoma. He invited us out

1069
01:05:30,513 --> 01:05:30,763
so that some of our staff could

1070
01:05:31,263 --> 01:05:31,513
see what an actual groundwater

1071
01:05:33,046 --> 01:05:33,296
well looks like from municipal

1072
01:05:33,713 --> 01:05:33,963
use

1073
01:05:36,996 --> 01:05:37,246
bottomttom left that's I believe

1074
01:05:38,763 --> 01:05:39,013
one of our board members showing

1075
01:05:40,896 --> 01:05:41,146
us peanuts out in western

1076
01:05:41,446 --> 01:05:41,696
Oklahoma

1077
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,130
so looking forward again we had

1078
01:05:49,130 --> 01:05:49,380
a waste enforcement sent Bill259

1079
01:05:52,446 --> 01:05:52,696
that went through this last year

1080
01:05:53,363 --> 01:05:53,613
there was a piece of funding

1081
01:05:56,646 --> 01:05:56,896
that came in for that I believe

1082
01:05:59,130 --> 01:05:59,380
it was 925,000 and what we're

1083
01:06:02,696 --> 01:06:02,946
looking at is our annual water

1084
01:06:03,363 --> 01:06:03,613
use reporting do we

1085
01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:07,146
what are penalties noticeices

1086
01:06:08,396 --> 01:06:08,646
of the violations, how we get

1087
01:06:09,096 --> 01:06:09,346
out there to make sure people

1088
01:06:11,113 --> 01:06:11,363
are reporting their use or using

1089
01:06:14,346 --> 01:06:14,596
their permits correctly

1090
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:16,930
there's been some talk about

1091
01:06:18,930 --> 01:06:19,180
data centers and groundwa use

1092
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:20,730
regulated underneath that

1093
01:06:21,013 --> 01:06:21,263
uhenter bill259

1094
01:06:24,963 --> 01:06:25,213
and again that huge portion of

1095
01:06:26,696 --> 01:06:26,946
that so waste enforcement that

1096
01:06:27,430 --> 01:06:27,680
gives the waterboard some

1097
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:30,730
authority to go out there and

1098
01:06:34,496 --> 01:06:34,746
try to get people into

1099
01:06:34,946 --> 01:06:35,196
compliance

1100
01:06:39,263 --> 01:06:39,513
our top priority priorities down

1101
01:06:41,096 --> 01:06:41,346
there at the bottom is known

1102
01:06:43,030 --> 01:06:43,280
unauthorized use is there

1103
01:06:44,830 --> 01:06:45,080
repeated noncompliance how do we

1104
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:47,330
do that we're looking at a

1105
01:06:50,813 --> 01:06:51,063
little bit at open ET data that

1106
01:06:54,346 --> 01:06:54,596
t top is a photo or a satellite

1107
01:06:56,813 --> 01:06:57,063
image of some circles crop

1108
01:06:58,846 --> 01:06:59,096
circles out that might be in

1109
01:07:00,580 --> 01:07:00,830
western Oklahoma so we look at

1110
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:03,080
those we compare to dedicated

1111
01:07:06,613 --> 01:07:06,863
lands and we say ok well there's

1112
01:07:07,296 --> 01:07:07,546
a there's a c

1113
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:09,330
c ro p circle that doesn't have

1114
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:11,063
dedicated lands maybe we need to

1115
01:07:12,330 --> 01:07:12,580
go talk with the landowner and

1116
01:07:14,846 --> 01:07:15,096
say hey let's update your

1117
01:07:15,413 --> 01:07:15,663
permit

1118
01:07:18,580 --> 01:07:18,830
so we've actually gone out in

1119
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:21,030
the field to field verify some

1120
01:07:21,463 --> 01:07:21,713
of that use

1121
01:07:26,580 --> 01:07:26,830
and we across we visited

1122
01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:29,080
about60 sites that have that

1123
01:07:32,830 --> 01:07:33,080
have had use but they're no

1124
01:07:36,346 --> 01:07:36,596
permit and I did have an updated

1125
01:07:38,830 --> 01:07:39,080
slide but I think this one is

1126
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:41,330
also a little movie here if the

1127
01:07:42,563 --> 01:07:42,813
people in the back can play

1128
01:07:43,130 --> 01:07:43,380
through that

1129
01:07:46,563 --> 01:07:46,813
basicallysically what this is

1130
01:07:48,563 --> 01:07:48,813
going to show is a a center

1131
01:07:51,046 --> 01:07:51,296
pivot going in and right

1132
01:07:52,546 --> 01:07:52,796
there in the middle of the

1133
01:07:55,046 --> 01:07:55,296
screen. I don't know no yeah is

1134
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:55,980
there

1135
01:08:05,213 --> 01:08:05,463
And I believe there was no

1136
01:08:06,646 --> 01:08:06,896
permit on this day dedicated

1137
01:08:07,313 --> 01:08:07,563
land.

1138
01:08:10,580 --> 01:08:10,830
and part of it's probably maybe

1139
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:12,880
some education as well like oh I

1140
01:08:13,296 --> 01:08:13,546
didn't know I needed a permit

1141
01:08:16,363 --> 01:08:16,613
there's been talk about

1142
01:08:18,863 --> 01:08:19,113
evapotranspiration data that

1143
01:08:20,580 --> 01:08:20,830
I've shown can we estimate how

1144
01:08:22,863 --> 01:08:23,113
much water use has been used

1145
01:08:26,580 --> 01:08:26,830
on this plot of land and the

1146
01:08:27,396 --> 01:08:27,646
short answer is we're not there

1147
01:08:30,363 --> 01:08:30,613
yet the data isn't detailed

1148
01:08:31,130 --> 01:08:31,380
enough to do an estimate of how

1149
01:08:34,363 --> 01:08:34,613
much water is used on a

1150
01:08:36,380 --> 01:08:36,630
particular plot this time series

1151
01:08:37,246 --> 01:08:37,496
shows the irrigation cycles

1152
01:08:37,796 --> 01:08:38,046
through time.

1153
01:08:52,346 --> 01:08:52,596
we've also compared public water

1154
01:08:56,380 --> 01:08:56,630
supply permits to our

1155
01:08:59,146 --> 01:08:59,396
dedicated lands and our

1156
01:09:01,163 --> 01:09:01,413
permit locations and we found

1157
01:09:02,846 --> 01:09:03,096
there's a discrepancy to what

1158
01:09:05,130 --> 01:09:05,380
the DEcu has in there because

1159
01:09:08,596 --> 01:09:08,846
they they regulate public

1160
01:09:10,363 --> 01:09:10,613
water supply use from public

1161
01:09:11,130 --> 01:09:11,380
water supply wells so they have

1162
01:09:13,113 --> 01:09:13,363
an inventory of all those public

1163
01:09:15,096 --> 01:09:15,346
water supply wells we compared

1164
01:09:17,146 --> 01:09:17,396
them to our permits we flagged

1165
01:09:18,363 --> 01:09:18,613
numerous public water supply

1166
01:09:21,180 --> 01:09:21,430
locations that we need to go

1167
01:09:22,813 --> 01:09:23,063
take a look at and there's kind

1168
01:09:24,596 --> 01:09:24,846
of a a running theme as

1169
01:09:29,130 --> 01:09:29,380
how many public water supply

1170
01:09:32,330 --> 01:09:32,580
permits are probably

1171
01:09:34,580 --> 01:09:34,830
noncompliant and the joke is or

1172
01:09:36,596 --> 01:09:36,846
not a joke is that all of them

1173
01:09:38,346 --> 01:09:38,596
there's probably an issue with

1174
01:09:40,346 --> 01:09:40,596
all public water supply permits

1175
01:09:42,830 --> 01:09:43,080
in the state of Oklahoma like

1176
01:09:44,580 --> 01:09:44,830
they just again call a well

1177
01:09:46,363 --> 01:09:46,613
driller come drill a well and

1178
01:09:47,113 --> 01:09:47,363
they drill it and they've not

1179
01:09:48,580 --> 01:09:48,830
gone to notice for that location

1180
01:09:51,330 --> 01:09:51,580
so that's something we're taking

1181
01:09:52,030 --> 01:09:52,280
a look at

1182
01:09:55,330 --> 01:09:55,580
we've identified 330 potential

1183
01:09:57,030 --> 01:09:57,280
sites where there might be some

1184
01:09:57,713 --> 01:09:57,963
issues

1185
01:10:00,863 --> 01:10:01,113
Again this is restoring our core

1186
01:10:02,863 --> 01:10:03,113
capacity with the additional

1187
01:10:03,463 --> 01:10:03,713
funding that we've had over the

1188
01:10:04,130 --> 01:10:04,380
last several years

1189
01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:08,880
as an example this is the city

1190
01:10:10,363 --> 01:10:10,613
of Lehigh we just went out for a

1191
01:10:12,330 --> 01:10:12,580
site visit. they had some

1192
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:13,080
questions on drilling a well.

1193
01:10:14,846 --> 01:10:15,096
theres a well driller on site

1194
01:10:16,330 --> 01:10:16,580
and we noticed that some of

1195
01:10:17,030 --> 01:10:17,280
their wells particularly that

1196
01:10:21,080 --> 01:10:21,330
well number7 the green hashed

1197
01:10:24,580 --> 01:10:24,830
area here is our they're

1198
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:27,330
dedicated land and the green

1199
01:10:29,063 --> 01:10:29,313
boxes are where they said that

1200
01:10:30,580 --> 01:10:30,830
they were where they went to

1201
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:33,330
notice for their wells and that

1202
01:10:34,796 --> 01:10:35,046
well7 is clearly outside of that

1203
01:10:38,346 --> 01:10:38,596
so they at least have one well

1204
01:10:40,596 --> 01:10:40,846
that's not necessarily or that

1205
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:41,530
may be

1206
01:10:43,113 --> 01:10:43,363
without

1207
01:10:44,663 --> 01:10:44,913
for lack of better words illegal

1208
01:10:50,363 --> 01:10:50,613
these so

1209
01:10:57,046 --> 01:10:57,296
if we send out water use reports

1210
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:57,780
and

1211
01:11:00,846 --> 01:11:01,096
you sold your property and no

1212
01:11:02,830 --> 01:11:03,080
longer own it but it goes to you

1213
01:11:04,363 --> 01:11:04,613
you may write on that water use

1214
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:05,330
report and say I no longer own

1215
01:11:08,346 --> 01:11:08,596
this land and send it back. we

1216
01:11:09,096 --> 01:11:09,346
still don't know who owns that

1217
01:11:10,863 --> 01:11:11,113
land but we flag it in our

1218
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:13,330
database not to send a water use

1219
01:11:14,346 --> 01:11:14,596
report

1220
01:11:14,813 --> 01:11:15,063
out next year to you

1221
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:19,130
there's a permit the next guy or

1222
01:11:20,563 --> 01:11:20,813
girl comes up and buys your

1223
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,130
property and starts irrigating

1224
01:11:23,496 --> 01:11:23,746
we don't know who to send that

1225
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:27,580
water use report to so we've got

1226
01:11:30,613 --> 01:11:30,863
about 3500 of these permits out

1227
01:11:33,096 --> 01:11:33,346
of 123,500 permits we don't know

1228
01:11:35,130 --> 01:11:35,380
who owns that property if

1229
01:11:36,613 --> 01:11:36,863
they're using if they're not

1230
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:39,330
using water so again this is

1231
01:11:39,746 --> 01:11:39,996
like

1232
01:11:42,813 --> 01:11:43,063
restoring corp capacity looking

1233
01:11:44,380 --> 01:11:44,630
in our cupboards seeing what's

1234
01:11:46,596 --> 01:11:46,846
there and saying oh this is an

1235
01:11:47,230 --> 01:11:47,480
issue that we may want to

1236
01:11:47,796 --> 01:11:48,046
address

1237
01:11:55,313 --> 01:11:55,563
and this is an example of

1238
01:11:58,396 --> 01:11:58,646
looking at that open ET and our

1239
01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:02,680
dedicated lands and of these

1240
01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:04,613
permits that we don't know who

1241
01:12:06,613 --> 01:12:06,863
the owner is and some of those

1242
01:12:08,646 --> 01:12:08,896
squares there's still water

1243
01:12:10,396 --> 01:12:10,646
being used some of them there

1244
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:12,880
isn't so those permits probably

1245
01:12:14,346 --> 01:12:14,596
can be canceled but the ones

1246
01:12:16,863 --> 01:12:17,113
that do have some open ET

1247
01:12:18,913 --> 01:12:19,163
data showing use we need to

1248
01:12:19,513 --> 01:12:19,763
visit with those landowners

1249
01:12:24,930 --> 01:12:25,180
and that's all I have on water

1250
01:12:26,696 --> 01:12:26,946
rightsdministration andjulie is

1251
01:12:28,496 --> 01:12:28,746
going to take over and I believe

1252
01:12:29,180 --> 01:12:29,430
talk about

1253
01:12:31,380 --> 01:12:31,630
comprehensive wire plan and

1254
01:12:31,930 --> 01:12:32,180
other areas

1255
01:12:34,413 --> 01:12:34,663
are there any questions

1256
01:12:39,646 --> 01:12:39,896
recognise him thank you for

1257
01:12:41,096 --> 01:12:41,346
being here we'll turn we'll

1258
01:12:42,446 --> 01:12:42,696
you're red and

1259
01:12:46,363 --> 01:12:46,613
thank you Miss Neal for that

1260
01:12:47,130 --> 01:12:47,380
information. Are there any other

1261
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:48,780
questions for Mr Neal before he

1262
01:12:53,413 --> 01:12:53,663
OK.rectorcunningham thank you

1263
01:13:00,780 --> 01:13:01,030
Yesir. can everyone hear me?

1264
01:13:04,696 --> 01:13:04,946
appreciate certainly

1265
01:13:07,196 --> 01:13:07,446
appreciate your invitation

1266
01:13:08,980 --> 01:13:09,230
today you know water is as you

1267
01:13:11,463 --> 01:13:11,713
all know, extremely extremely

1268
01:13:12,780 --> 01:13:13,030
important especially in these

1269
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:15,330
drought times when folks are

1270
01:13:17,163 --> 01:13:17,413
talking about it so as you

1271
01:13:18,796 --> 01:13:19,046
see we're making a lot of

1272
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:20,980
improvements we really wanted to

1273
01:13:22,713 --> 01:13:22,963
you to understand what all

1274
01:13:24,513 --> 01:13:24,763
goes into water rights

1275
01:13:25,013 --> 01:13:25,263
administration that there's a

1276
01:13:28,596 --> 01:13:28,846
lot of laws on the books that

1277
01:13:29,296 --> 01:13:29,546
require us to do all this

1278
01:13:31,696 --> 01:13:31,946
maintenance and and and and just

1279
01:13:32,396 --> 01:13:32,646
looking

1280
01:13:34,696 --> 01:13:34,946
at land title and things like

1281
01:13:36,746 --> 01:13:36,996
that it makes these applications

1282
01:13:38,863 --> 01:13:39,113
a lot more complicated so we are

1283
01:13:40,446 --> 01:13:40,696
certainly trying to move on.

1284
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:41,330
So I'm going to be what

1285
01:13:41,646 --> 01:13:41,896
what is our time

1286
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:42,930
goal here

1287
01:13:48,613 --> 01:13:48,863
you got about 20 minutes 20

1288
01:13:50,380 --> 01:13:50,630
minutes OK so I'm gonna zip

1289
01:13:52,430 --> 01:13:52,680
through these 15 maybe we will

1290
01:13:54,430 --> 01:13:54,680
ok we will talk I will talk a

1291
01:13:55,096 --> 01:13:55,346
little bit about the

1292
01:13:56,430 --> 01:13:56,680
comprehensive water plan that we

1293
01:13:59,113 --> 01:13:59,363
finalized last fall. we were

1294
01:14:00,846 --> 01:14:01,096
able to get some of the

1295
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:02,880
recommendations through the

1296
01:14:04,663 --> 01:14:04,913
legislative process last year as

1297
01:14:06,663 --> 01:14:06,913
well as budget recommendations

1298
01:14:08,863 --> 01:14:09,113
but this process so we're

1299
01:14:11,146 --> 01:14:11,396
required by statute to update

1300
01:14:14,446 --> 01:14:14,696
the state's comprehensive water

1301
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:15,480
plan every 10 years and so

1302
01:14:15,796 --> 01:14:16,046
this20

1303
01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:19,430
25 plan is just that so we start

1304
01:14:21,346 --> 01:14:21,596
by looking at at at two

1305
01:14:23,063 --> 01:14:23,313
separate things we update the

1306
01:14:26,580 --> 01:14:26,830
water demand and supply

1307
01:14:28,346 --> 01:14:28,596
projections and then look at

1308
01:14:30,846 --> 01:14:31,096
those gaps we do that through

1309
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:34,630
82s subbasins across the state

1310
01:14:36,396 --> 01:14:36,646
and then there are

1311
01:14:38,546 --> 01:14:38,796
recommendations and status

1312
01:14:39,113 --> 01:14:39,363
reports for each one of those

1313
01:14:40,963 --> 01:14:41,213
basins so that planners so that

1314
01:14:42,663 --> 01:14:42,913
companies and businesses moving

1315
01:14:45,046 --> 01:14:45,296
in municipalities ag

1316
01:14:45,513 --> 01:14:45,763
producers industry

1317
01:14:50,396 --> 01:14:50,646
can can use that data for to

1318
01:14:51,330 --> 01:14:51,580
understand what's happening

1319
01:14:54,380 --> 01:14:54,630
in their water supply with each

1320
01:14:56,813 --> 01:14:57,063
sector and then the other part

1321
01:14:58,830 --> 01:14:59,080
of it is the executive

1322
01:15:01,063 --> 01:15:01,313
summary and all the technical

1323
01:15:03,380 --> 01:15:03,630
work that goes into priority

1324
01:15:04,930 --> 01:15:05,180
recommendations so that could be

1325
01:15:06,496 --> 01:15:06,746
funding recommendations,

1326
01:15:08,446 --> 01:15:08,696
recommendations for legislation

1327
01:15:10,713 --> 01:15:10,963
recommendations for action,

1328
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:13,130
and and that was completed

1329
01:15:15,096 --> 01:15:15,346
through a statewide multiyear

1330
01:15:15,780 --> 01:15:16,030
public out

1331
01:15:18,980 --> 01:15:19,230
re ach that some of you may have

1332
01:15:21,180 --> 01:15:21,430
participated in so we had ive

1333
01:15:23,013 --> 01:15:23,263
went a we had ive rounds of

1334
01:15:26,480 --> 01:15:26,730
meetings in each of ive

1335
01:15:28,463 --> 01:15:28,713
quadrants if you will of the

1336
01:15:30,996 --> 01:15:31,246
state and came up with these

1337
01:15:32,613 --> 01:15:32,863
summarize them and these

1338
01:15:33,396 --> 01:15:33,646
recommendations as far as

1339
01:15:34,946 --> 01:15:35,196
statewide recommendations. We

1340
01:15:36,946 --> 01:15:37,196
also had four different work

1341
01:15:38,746 --> 01:15:38,996
groups the the top one there

1342
01:15:40,446 --> 01:15:40,696
is theokklahoma irrrigated

1343
01:15:42,346 --> 01:15:42,596
agriculture Workroup and they

1344
01:15:43,113 --> 01:15:43,363
made some recommendations and

1345
01:15:45,046 --> 01:15:45,296
really it boiled down to the

1346
01:15:45,613 --> 01:15:45,863
need for local management

1347
01:15:48,796 --> 01:15:49,046
structures regionalized planning

1348
01:15:52,363 --> 01:15:52,613
more more local planning and

1349
01:15:54,563 --> 01:15:54,813
then broad stakeholder

1350
01:15:56,596 --> 01:15:56,846
inclusion of other water users

1351
01:15:58,330 --> 01:15:58,580
so not just the a community but

1352
01:15:59,030 --> 01:15:59,280
the other water's users and

1353
01:16:01,096 --> 01:16:01,346
demands in the area and then

1354
01:16:02,846 --> 01:16:03,096
education geared toward better

1355
01:16:04,580 --> 01:16:04,830
management, more accurate data

1356
01:16:06,846 --> 01:16:07,096
collection broader real-time

1357
01:16:08,346 --> 01:16:08,596
groundwater monitoring so we'll

1358
01:16:09,113 --> 01:16:09,363
get into some of that but that

1359
01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:11,330
we heard that not only from this

1360
01:16:12,846 --> 01:16:13,096
work group but but really all

1361
01:16:15,013 --> 01:16:15,263
over the state andris

1362
01:16:15,463 --> 01:16:15,713
emphasized the

1363
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:19,330
the need for water data and all

1364
01:16:20,830 --> 01:16:21,080
those maps that you saw so that

1365
01:16:22,596 --> 01:16:22,846
we're that you all and and your

1366
01:16:23,313 --> 01:16:23,563
constituents can really

1367
01:16:24,563 --> 01:16:24,813
understand what's happening in

1368
01:16:26,580 --> 01:16:26,830
your in your groundwater basins.

1369
01:16:28,346 --> 01:16:28,596
So I'll just quickly go through

1370
01:16:30,346 --> 01:16:30,596
these four there were4 main

1371
01:16:30,996 --> 01:16:31,246
focus areas that we bundled

1372
01:16:33,346 --> 01:16:33,596
these into infrastructure, water

1373
01:16:36,363 --> 01:16:36,613
supply and storage so lakes and

1374
01:16:37,130 --> 01:16:37,380
the actual physical supply

1375
01:16:40,346 --> 01:16:40,596
conservation water policy and

1376
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:42,880
then data and information and

1377
01:16:44,330 --> 01:16:44,580
really ultimate goal obviously

1378
01:16:44,996 --> 01:16:45,246
long term water security and as

1379
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:45,930
all of you know

1380
01:16:48,580 --> 01:16:48,830
there's not one magic bullet.

1381
01:16:50,796 --> 01:16:51,046
there's just not water is very

1382
01:16:52,846 --> 01:16:53,096
local I'll get into some

1383
01:16:54,346 --> 01:16:54,596
water transfers and I know

1384
01:16:54,963 --> 01:16:55,213
you're going to talk about that

1385
01:16:56,563 --> 01:16:56,813
as well so I'll just move

1386
01:16:58,580 --> 01:16:58,830
forward water infrastructure we

1387
01:17:00,580 --> 01:17:00,830
did a need survey24 billion

1388
01:17:02,330 --> 01:17:02,580
dollars of need we actually have

1389
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:03,330
a list of projects you can zoom

1390
01:17:04,596 --> 01:17:04,846
into your legislative district

1391
01:17:06,346 --> 01:17:06,596
and see where those projects

1392
01:17:07,096 --> 01:17:07,346
are. this is certainly not

1393
01:17:09,096 --> 01:17:09,346
comprehensive but it tells you

1394
01:17:10,830 --> 01:17:11,080
emphasizes that you know there

1395
01:17:12,813 --> 01:17:13,063
is a current24 billion dollars

1396
01:17:14,863 --> 01:17:15,113
in in water and wastewater and

1397
01:17:15,513 --> 01:17:15,763
flood control

1398
01:17:18,630 --> 01:17:18,880
projects. that's not including

1399
01:17:20,596 --> 01:17:20,846
dam rehabilitations necessarily.

1400
01:17:21,296 --> 01:17:21,546
we don't have a comprehensive

1401
01:17:23,063 --> 01:17:23,313
inventory of that but I know

1402
01:17:26,346 --> 01:17:26,596
you all you all get it they're

1403
01:17:28,796 --> 01:17:29,046
you know the last few years the

1404
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:31,080
Apa dollars came in you all

1405
01:17:32,846 --> 01:17:33,096
dedicated over half a billion

1406
01:17:35,113 --> 01:17:35,363
dollars to water and wastewater

1407
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:37,330
infrastructure. Last year you

1408
01:17:40,346 --> 01:17:40,596
came back with another73 million

1409
01:17:41,063 --> 01:17:41,313
dollars in water and wastewater

1410
01:17:44,996 --> 01:17:45,246
funding uh26 million of

1411
01:17:45,580 --> 01:17:45,830
that was aPpa interest

1412
01:17:48,580 --> 01:17:48,830
ear ning s which is great we

1413
01:17:50,580 --> 01:17:50,830
certainly love the fact that you

1414
01:17:52,346 --> 01:17:52,596
know there's an acknowledgment

1415
01:17:53,013 --> 01:17:53,263
of the need for for

1416
01:17:57,113 --> 01:17:57,363
for these projects and 3 35

1417
01:18:00,796 --> 01:18:01,046
million of it came into a new

1418
01:18:04,596 --> 01:18:04,846
loan program that the water

1419
01:18:06,596 --> 01:18:06,846
boardard will administer so we

1420
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:08,580
have several loan programs very

1421
01:18:10,363 --> 01:18:10,613
low interest tripleA rated so

1422
01:18:11,096 --> 01:18:11,346
it's the best interest rates

1423
01:18:13,063 --> 01:18:13,313
ever that that anyone can

1424
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:15,130
get. Oklahohoma City and Tulsa

1425
01:18:16,846 --> 01:18:17,096
and all the large cities are all

1426
01:18:19,096 --> 01:18:19,346
borrowers in that program which

1427
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,330
actually helps the security and

1428
01:18:22,863 --> 01:18:23,113
helps it helps lower that

1429
01:18:24,363 --> 01:18:24,613
interest rate for the smaller

1430
01:18:26,413 --> 01:18:26,663
borrowers so it the formula

1431
01:18:26,980 --> 01:18:27,230
really works

1432
01:18:30,346 --> 01:18:30,596
we administer one of the

1433
01:18:31,113 --> 01:18:31,363
programs with with the

1434
01:18:32,330 --> 01:18:32,580
department of

1435
01:18:33,046 --> 01:18:33,296
nvironmentaluality. We asked

1436
01:18:35,063 --> 01:18:35,313
for50 million recurring like

1437
01:18:38,813 --> 01:18:39,063
I said we we we got73 million

1438
01:18:40,830 --> 01:18:41,080
this year so we're really

1439
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:43,280
looking at one that investment

1440
01:18:44,813 --> 01:18:45,063
to expanding technical

1441
01:18:46,613 --> 01:18:46,863
assistance programs so actually

1442
01:18:49,096 --> 01:18:49,346
assistants with you know for

1443
01:18:51,096 --> 01:18:51,346
these communities and ag

1444
01:18:56,363 --> 01:18:56,613
producers for long term

1445
01:18:56,896 --> 01:18:57,146
planning capital planning

1446
01:18:58,646 --> 01:18:58,896
and and conservation

1447
01:19:01,180 --> 01:19:01,430
and then workforce is always one

1448
01:19:04,830 --> 01:19:05,080
that we're looking at. so

1449
01:19:08,563 --> 01:19:08,813
this is the the 1980 plan and

1450
01:19:12,813 --> 01:19:13,063
the 1995 plan both both

1451
01:19:13,380 --> 01:19:13,630
recommended

1452
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:14,880
water

1453
01:19:18,863 --> 01:19:19,113
transfer that was that was

1454
01:19:20,580 --> 01:19:20,830
how we're going to solve all of

1455
01:19:22,346 --> 01:19:22,596
our problems is transfer it from

1456
01:19:23,096 --> 01:19:23,346
east to west get water out to

1457
01:19:24,846 --> 01:19:25,096
the panhound, get water out to

1458
01:19:26,780 --> 01:19:27,030
Alus you know these these things

1459
01:19:27,463 --> 01:19:27,713
are are

1460
01:19:32,330 --> 01:19:32,580
are very, you know, obviously

1461
01:19:33,096 --> 01:19:33,346
we have way more water in the

1462
01:19:34,363 --> 01:19:34,613
east than we do in the west so

1463
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:35,330
it makes sense but the problem

1464
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:37,330
is cost right? that's always a

1465
01:19:38,580 --> 01:19:38,830
problem who's going to pay for

1466
01:19:39,196 --> 01:19:39,446
it? how are they going to be

1467
01:19:40,813 --> 01:19:41,063
paid for? these numbers are

1468
01:19:42,563 --> 01:19:42,813
actually from an update from

1469
01:19:44,813 --> 01:19:45,063
the2012 plan and you can see

1470
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:47,330
that the construction the

1471
01:19:49,063 --> 01:19:49,313
north that middle one there 13

1472
01:19:52,630 --> 01:19:52,880
to20 billion dollars to go from

1473
01:19:54,363 --> 01:19:54,613
the east all the way across the

1474
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:55,330
state to the west. those are

1475
01:19:57,046 --> 01:19:57,296
in201w2 numbers so you can add

1476
01:19:57,713 --> 01:19:57,963
about47

1477
01:20:00,546 --> 01:20:00,796
% in addition to this cost so

1478
01:20:04,563 --> 01:20:04,813
what the201w2 plan and this plan

1479
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:06,830
really said is let's let's look

1480
01:20:08,830 --> 01:20:09,080
more locally and let's try to

1481
01:20:10,596 --> 01:20:10,846
regionalize and find those

1482
01:20:12,846 --> 01:20:13,096
solutions locally umennid is a

1483
01:20:14,813 --> 01:20:15,063
prime example we actually funded

1484
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:16,830
through the FAP and the

1485
01:20:19,030 --> 01:20:19,280
drinking water SrF program $350

1486
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:21,280
million they already had their

1487
01:20:23,046 --> 01:20:23,296
water right in Ca Lake whichri

1488
01:20:24,563 --> 01:20:24,813
will tell you you have to have

1489
01:20:25,296 --> 01:20:25,546
your water right before you can

1490
01:20:26,830 --> 01:20:27,080
before you can even think

1491
01:20:28,613 --> 01:20:28,863
about transferring water. they

1492
01:20:30,530 --> 01:20:30,780
had they had to build a wall ro

1493
01:20:31,213 --> 01:20:31,463
raw water intake

1494
01:20:34,813 --> 01:20:35,063
line they built a 70 mile

1495
01:20:36,596 --> 01:20:36,846
transmission line a new water

1496
01:20:38,346 --> 01:20:38,596
plant they actually broke

1497
01:20:40,613 --> 01:20:40,863
actually I attended this ribbon

1498
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:42,930
cutting two weeks ago and so

1499
01:20:43,396 --> 01:20:43,646
they are very very excited in

1500
01:20:45,113 --> 01:20:45,363
this particular situationrish

1501
01:20:46,580 --> 01:20:46,830
told you that they're all

1502
01:20:48,363 --> 01:20:48,613
they're 100% on groundwater.

1503
01:20:50,346 --> 01:20:50,596
this will allow them to blend

1504
01:20:52,580 --> 01:20:52,830
surface water with groundwater

1505
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:55,330
and vastly extend their

1506
01:20:57,130 --> 01:20:57,380
their capacity they can probably

1507
01:21:00,363 --> 01:21:00,613
become suppliers for

1508
01:21:00,863 --> 01:21:01,113
surrounding areas as well so

1509
01:21:01,530 --> 01:21:01,780
this

1510
01:21:04,346 --> 01:21:04,596
is a success story as far as a

1511
01:21:06,346 --> 01:21:06,596
transfer. This took about 10

1512
01:21:08,813 --> 01:21:09,063
years of discussing and planning

1513
01:21:10,580 --> 01:21:10,830
and trying to get this in motion

1514
01:21:12,330 --> 01:21:12,580
and trying to really

1515
01:21:13,263 --> 01:21:13,513
educating and and convincing

1516
01:21:15,096 --> 01:21:15,346
their citizens to pay for it and

1517
01:21:16,846 --> 01:21:17,096
so they have to pay these loans

1518
01:21:18,830 --> 01:21:19,080
back and so their citizens had

1519
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:21,330
to have a sales tax increase and

1520
01:21:22,813 --> 01:21:23,063
and rate increases but now

1521
01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:25,080
they've got water security for

1522
01:21:25,480 --> 01:21:25,730
the foreseeable future

1523
01:21:28,563 --> 01:21:28,813
the next the next

1524
01:21:30,346 --> 01:21:30,596
recommendation was water supply

1525
01:21:32,613 --> 01:21:32,863
and storage so this is you know,

1526
01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:34,580
strengthening Oklahoma's dam

1527
01:21:35,030 --> 01:21:35,280
safety program. I've been here

1528
01:21:36,813 --> 01:21:37,063
before talking about the4700

1529
01:21:39,096 --> 01:21:39,346
dams that we regulate that are

1530
01:21:42,363 --> 01:21:42,613
over60 years in age so we've got

1531
01:21:43,096 --> 01:21:43,346
a ton of infrastructure there

1532
01:21:44,830 --> 01:21:45,080
was a big infrastructure

1533
01:21:47,313 --> 01:21:47,563
construction boom over60 years

1534
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:49,330
ago and now they they need

1535
01:21:50,830 --> 01:21:51,080
rehabilitation and we need to

1536
01:21:54,346 --> 01:21:54,596
look at them for things

1537
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:55,330
like increased capacity. So our

1538
01:21:55,780 --> 01:21:56,030
dams and

1539
01:21:58,346 --> 01:21:58,596
our state are very important

1540
01:21:59,096 --> 01:21:59,346
they not only hold back

1541
01:22:00,830 --> 01:22:01,080
floodwater and help dissipate

1542
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:03,330
dissipate it but they hold water

1543
01:22:05,296 --> 01:22:05,546
for drought times and so a lot

1544
01:22:07,096 --> 01:22:07,346
of those dams are are very very

1545
01:22:08,346 --> 01:22:08,596
very critical

1546
01:22:12,346 --> 01:22:12,596
agwater conservation was

1547
01:22:14,346 --> 01:22:14,596
included in this so that's still

1548
01:22:16,346 --> 01:22:16,596
kind of a driving theme helping

1549
01:22:18,330 --> 01:22:18,580
support local economic drivers

1550
01:22:20,580 --> 01:22:20,830
modernizing our agricultural

1551
01:22:22,613 --> 01:22:22,863
sector also in the eastern

1552
01:22:24,613 --> 01:22:24,863
part of the state voluntary

1553
01:22:26,346 --> 01:22:26,596
tourism and recreation related

1554
01:22:28,346 --> 01:22:28,596
water conservation so looking at

1555
01:22:30,846 --> 01:22:31,096
things like you know lowering

1556
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:33,130
interest rates for loans to

1557
01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:34,613
communities that to fix their

1558
01:22:36,346 --> 01:22:36,596
water loss so the the more the

1559
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:37,330
less water they're taking from

1560
01:22:38,596 --> 01:22:38,846
the stream the more they're

1561
01:22:40,863 --> 01:22:41,113
leaving in the stream for in

1562
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:42,580
stream uses

1563
01:22:50,380 --> 01:22:50,630
these are water quality and

1564
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:52,580
quantity of course is in the

1565
01:22:54,330 --> 01:22:54,580
in that equation as well as

1566
01:22:56,380 --> 01:22:56,630
water reuse things like

1567
01:22:58,363 --> 01:22:58,613
aquifer storage and recovery

1568
01:23:00,363 --> 01:23:00,613
we've got the framework now in

1569
01:23:04,363 --> 01:23:04,613
statute and in rules and so the

1570
01:23:05,096 --> 01:23:05,346
the job of the state is to clear

1571
01:23:06,863 --> 01:23:07,113
that so that then communities

1572
01:23:08,863 --> 01:23:09,113
and investors can go in and

1573
01:23:10,863 --> 01:23:11,113
really start using some of these

1574
01:23:13,146 --> 01:23:13,396
aquifers and and using these

1575
01:23:14,813 --> 01:23:15,063
untapped marginal waters that we

1576
01:23:15,480 --> 01:23:15,730
that we have

1577
01:23:19,130 --> 01:23:19,380
the third one was water

1578
01:23:22,346 --> 01:23:22,596
management and policy so this is

1579
01:23:24,380 --> 01:23:24,630
a modernizing the water rights

1580
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:25,330
programme Chris just talked

1581
01:23:26,563 --> 01:23:26,813
about that maximate your yields

1582
01:23:28,346 --> 01:23:28,596
go ahead and and expediting

1583
01:23:30,596 --> 01:23:30,846
those and getting those done so

1584
01:23:32,863 --> 01:23:33,113
that new permits are under these

1585
01:23:36,846 --> 01:23:37,096
new new permit allocations

1586
01:23:38,863 --> 01:23:39,113
if you will to protect the long

1587
01:23:41,130 --> 01:23:41,380
term supply modernizing water

1588
01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:44,880
law we we actually got

1589
01:23:46,846 --> 01:23:47,096
some the well spacing through

1590
01:23:47,513 --> 01:23:47,763
legislation this

1591
01:23:51,113 --> 01:23:51,363
year as as well as water well

1592
01:23:53,130 --> 01:23:53,380
drillers indemnity fund so that

1593
01:23:54,596 --> 01:23:54,846
was a very important one.

1594
01:23:58,546 --> 01:23:58,796
again improving agwater

1595
01:23:59,096 --> 01:23:59,346
management

1596
01:24:01,213 --> 01:24:01,463
and establishing the framework

1597
01:24:03,130 --> 01:24:03,380
for fund and funding for the

1598
01:24:04,596 --> 01:24:04,846
regional water management

1599
01:24:06,596 --> 01:24:06,846
districts so this includes

1600
01:24:07,396 --> 01:24:07,646
technical support administration

1601
01:24:09,130 --> 01:24:09,380
stakeholder engagement in the

1602
01:24:11,146 --> 01:24:11,396
legal section. and I'll talk

1603
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:13,130
a little bit more of that about

1604
01:24:15,113 --> 01:24:15,363
that in a minute. these

1605
01:24:17,096 --> 01:24:17,346
designated water districts or or

1606
01:24:19,396 --> 01:24:19,646
management areas we're really

1607
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:21,130
still interested and hopefully

1608
01:24:22,596 --> 01:24:22,846
some of you are interested in

1609
01:24:24,596 --> 01:24:24,846
exploring measurement

1610
01:24:26,363 --> 01:24:26,613
districts there's other states

1611
01:24:28,563 --> 01:24:28,813
that have all kinds of uses

1612
01:24:29,113 --> 01:24:29,363
and and our employ

1613
01:24:32,346 --> 01:24:32,596
ing these groups in all kinds

1614
01:24:34,563 --> 01:24:34,813
of ways regulatory and non

1615
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:37,330
regulatory to provide local

1616
01:24:38,613 --> 01:24:38,863
planning infrastructure need

1617
01:24:40,613 --> 01:24:40,863
evaluation aquifer level

1618
01:24:42,630 --> 01:24:42,880
monitoring so really bringing

1619
01:24:46,363 --> 01:24:46,613
it back into local local

1620
01:24:47,146 --> 01:24:47,396
control and local information

1621
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:50,830
that that that can be used

1622
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:53,330
some states use these to place

1623
01:24:54,613 --> 01:24:54,863
additional protections on

1624
01:24:56,613 --> 01:24:56,863
specific basins that are showing

1625
01:24:58,396 --> 01:24:58,646
major decline. so that's

1626
01:24:58,913 --> 01:24:59,163
something and you know Oklahoma

1627
01:24:59,580 --> 01:24:59,830
water

1628
01:25:02,613 --> 01:25:02,863
law is is very similar to other

1629
01:25:04,580 --> 01:25:04,830
western water law and so we

1630
01:25:06,580 --> 01:25:06,830
really I'm the just just now

1631
01:25:08,363 --> 01:25:08,613
passed chairman of the

1632
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:09,130
western state's waterter co

1633
01:25:10,863 --> 01:25:11,113
which is the state engineer's

1634
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:13,380
offices for all western

1635
01:25:16,863 --> 01:25:17,113
states so these are some

1636
01:25:18,346 --> 01:25:18,596
examples and they're in your

1637
01:25:19,380 --> 01:25:19,630
materials I won't go over them

1638
01:25:21,113 --> 01:25:21,363
but they're virtually every

1639
01:25:24,346 --> 01:25:24,596
western state has some kind of

1640
01:25:25,096 --> 01:25:25,346
formalized management group or

1641
01:25:28,546 --> 01:25:28,796
planning local planning group

1642
01:25:29,230 --> 01:25:29,480
that is

1643
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:33,080
that has some role in either

1644
01:25:34,863 --> 01:25:35,113
water information or water

1645
01:25:35,413 --> 01:25:35,663
regulation

1646
01:25:39,163 --> 01:25:39,413
this particular one is a

1647
01:25:40,830 --> 01:25:41,080
critical grandmother management

1648
01:25:43,130 --> 01:25:43,380
area. this is oregon I believe.

1649
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:45,080
I know Sarah had put some

1650
01:25:46,630 --> 01:25:46,880
information together for you a

1651
01:25:48,363 --> 01:25:48,613
few years ago in in this

1652
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:51,130
particular case there's irri the

1653
01:25:52,580 --> 01:25:52,830
control and then the criteria so

1654
01:25:55,063 --> 01:25:55,313
there's serious water management

1655
01:25:57,080 --> 01:25:57,330
problem areas so the the statute

1656
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:59,580
has determined that this these

1657
01:26:02,596 --> 01:26:02,846
things will be defined as a

1658
01:26:04,830 --> 01:26:05,080
groundwater basins that have

1659
01:26:05,496 --> 01:26:05,746
critical

1660
01:26:08,646 --> 01:26:08,896
groundwater level decline

1661
01:26:10,363 --> 01:26:10,613
unresolved user disputes or

1662
01:26:12,346 --> 01:26:12,596
frequent water shortages and so

1663
01:26:14,596 --> 01:26:14,846
those are a class of of

1664
01:26:16,330 --> 01:26:16,580
groundwater basins that then can

1665
01:26:17,013 --> 01:26:17,263
have something applied to to

1666
01:26:17,680 --> 01:26:17,930
them

1667
01:26:20,346 --> 01:26:20,596
the critical groundwater

1668
01:26:22,596 --> 01:26:22,846
management area designation

1669
01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:25,063
the commission may rule by rule

1670
01:26:26,563 --> 01:26:26,813
designate the area as critical

1671
01:26:29,046 --> 01:26:29,296
if it is and you can see those

1672
01:26:31,063 --> 01:26:31,313
six looking at groundwater

1673
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:33,330
decline well interference etc.

1674
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:35,280
So there are mechanisms to if

1675
01:26:37,080 --> 01:26:37,330
there are particular aquifers in

1676
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:39,130
the state that you all want to

1677
01:26:40,663 --> 01:26:40,913
protect or that we see that you

1678
01:26:42,663 --> 01:26:42,913
all see are in critical decline

1679
01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:45,430
you can you can designate

1680
01:26:47,163 --> 01:26:47,413
them as as critical areas and

1681
01:26:47,830 --> 01:26:48,080
then

1682
01:26:52,646 --> 01:26:52,896
apply either more you know

1683
01:26:54,846 --> 01:26:55,096
more conserva more funding for

1684
01:26:56,696 --> 01:26:56,946
conservation or for

1685
01:26:58,646 --> 01:26:58,896
additional studies to really

1686
01:27:00,663 --> 01:27:00,913
understand the the area and

1687
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:02,930
what's going on in those

1688
01:27:04,613 --> 01:27:04,863
areas and then the data and

1689
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:06,730
information is just that you

1690
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:07,330
can't manage what you don't

1691
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:09,130
measure and so we're looking

1692
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:11,130
we've got a working with the

1693
01:27:12,663 --> 01:27:12,913
Oklahohoma Hydranet through OSU

1694
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:14,730
and the Oklama mezanett we've

1695
01:27:15,163 --> 01:27:15,413
got a

1696
01:27:16,846 --> 01:27:17,096
our all of our monitoring

1697
01:27:18,663 --> 01:27:18,913
network data goes into this

1698
01:27:20,863 --> 01:27:21,113
system and we're really working

1699
01:27:22,863 --> 01:27:23,113
toward real more real time data

1700
01:27:25,063 --> 01:27:25,313
groundwater levels

1701
01:27:28,630 --> 01:27:28,880
groundwater quality what

1702
01:27:29,196 --> 01:27:29,446
understanding exactly what's

1703
01:27:30,813 --> 01:27:31,063
what's happening in our

1704
01:27:34,380 --> 01:27:34,630
groundwater basins also we

1705
01:27:34,963 --> 01:27:35,213
administer the Oklahoma

1706
01:27:36,380 --> 01:27:36,630
Comprehensivestreamaging

1707
01:27:37,130 --> 01:27:37,380
Network. I won't get into that

1708
01:27:38,580 --> 01:27:38,830
because we're talking about

1709
01:27:41,146 --> 01:27:41,396
groundwater but and then

1710
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:43,130
also carrying out targeted

1711
01:27:44,380 --> 01:27:44,630
regional and local water

1712
01:27:44,946 --> 01:27:45,196
availability and

1713
01:27:46,863 --> 01:27:47,113
water quality studies so we're

1714
01:27:48,863 --> 01:27:49,113
certainly interested in doing

1715
01:27:49,546 --> 01:27:49,796
that

1716
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:56,830
so this is a database that

1717
01:27:58,380 --> 01:27:58,630
you that will be available

1718
01:27:59,096 --> 01:27:59,346
online you can go in there and

1719
01:28:01,063 --> 01:28:01,313
we've got 850 active wells in

1720
01:28:04,813 --> 01:28:05,063
this monitoring system so

1721
01:28:05,396 --> 01:28:05,646
you can go in there and

1722
01:28:06,630 --> 01:28:06,880
understand exactly what's

1723
01:28:08,896 --> 01:28:09,146
happening in in those I wanted

1724
01:28:10,846 --> 01:28:11,096
to just briefly talk about North

1725
01:28:12,363 --> 01:28:12,613
Dakota's groundwater monitoring

1726
01:28:14,830 --> 01:28:15,080
network for comparison North

1727
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:17,130
Dakota monitors about4,000

1728
01:28:18,396 --> 01:28:18,646
groundwater wells compared to

1729
01:28:20,880 --> 01:28:21,130
Oklahoma's 850 wells, about 10

1730
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:22,680
to15% of those so400

1731
01:28:26,363 --> 01:28:26,613
500 are actually

1732
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:29,330
recording realtime data and

1733
01:28:30,863 --> 01:28:31,113
understanding what's happening

1734
01:28:32,863 --> 01:28:33,113
throughout time so that's

1735
01:28:34,863 --> 01:28:35,113
really important but that

1736
01:28:36,346 --> 01:28:36,596
comparison just shows you it's

1737
01:28:38,463 --> 01:28:38,713
you know there are other states

1738
01:28:39,230 --> 01:28:39,480
out there that are really trying

1739
01:28:41,180 --> 01:28:41,430
to understand just like we are

1740
01:28:41,813 --> 01:28:42,063
understand our our monitoring

1741
01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:42,730
network

1742
01:28:46,830 --> 01:28:47,080
so for quickly for legislation

1743
01:28:47,496 --> 01:28:47,746
under the public

1744
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,130
in infrastructure

1745
01:28:54,863 --> 01:28:55,113
again73 million I just listed

1746
01:28:58,396 --> 01:28:58,646
the the different bills 35

1747
01:28:59,180 --> 01:28:59,430
million for this new loan

1748
01:29:00,863 --> 01:29:01,113
program we will be coming back

1749
01:29:02,646 --> 01:29:02,896
to the legislature and and

1750
01:29:04,346 --> 01:29:04,596
really really strongly

1751
01:29:06,630 --> 01:29:06,880
encouraging that to become

1752
01:29:08,613 --> 01:29:08,863
recurring funding it's it's

1753
01:29:10,380 --> 01:29:10,630
worth every penny all the money

1754
01:29:11,113 --> 01:29:11,363
goes back into it to be

1755
01:29:13,113 --> 01:29:13,363
reloaned. We are not taking any

1756
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:15,130
administrative fee off that at

1757
01:29:17,163 --> 01:29:17,413
all. so it just it's gonna

1758
01:29:18,646 --> 01:29:18,896
integrate right into our

1759
01:29:20,896 --> 01:29:21,146
existing system and databases

1760
01:29:21,546 --> 01:29:21,796
and and workflows

1761
01:29:24,363 --> 01:29:24,613
and that kind of thing so

1762
01:29:25,113 --> 01:29:25,363
director let me interrupt

1763
01:29:27,113 --> 01:29:27,363
uhpresentative Newton has a

1764
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:27,930
quick question sure

1765
01:29:31,063 --> 01:29:31,313
thank you Mr Chairman. Director

1766
01:29:32,363 --> 01:29:32,613
thank you very much for the

1767
01:29:34,846 --> 01:29:35,096
information on the monitoring

1768
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:37,130
wells you say there's about 850

1769
01:29:39,146 --> 01:29:39,396
active monitoring wells at the

1770
01:29:42,346 --> 01:29:42,596
current time that we are not

1771
01:29:44,380 --> 01:29:44,630
able to get actual realtime data

1772
01:29:45,163 --> 01:29:45,413
from them at this present time

1773
01:29:46,896 --> 01:29:47,146
is that correct? there's a

1774
01:29:48,630 --> 01:29:48,880
handful and we are moving toward

1775
01:29:50,380 --> 01:29:50,630
that. I believe the number

1776
01:29:50,946 --> 01:29:51,196
was

1777
01:29:54,846 --> 01:29:55,096
50 or so that we

1778
01:29:58,846 --> 01:29:59,096
that we do have realtime

1779
01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:01,430
information installed but

1780
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:02,930
that's a very new thing and

1781
01:30:03,246 --> 01:30:03,496
that's working with the

1782
01:30:04,896 --> 01:30:05,146
hydronet. Last year we asked for

1783
01:30:06,613 --> 01:30:06,863
funding for it we didn't get any

1784
01:30:09,096 --> 01:30:09,346
funding so we are that's one

1785
01:30:11,046 --> 01:30:11,296
that we're really interested and

1786
01:30:12,413 --> 01:30:12,663
we're also interested in

1787
01:30:13,513 --> 01:30:13,763
in

1788
01:30:16,946 --> 01:30:17,196
volunteers so we we work with

1789
01:30:18,896 --> 01:30:19,146
landowners on a voluntary

1790
01:30:20,630 --> 01:30:20,880
basis to sign up for this

1791
01:30:22,380 --> 01:30:22,630
program and allow us to come out

1792
01:30:24,330 --> 01:30:24,580
and and install these wells and

1793
01:30:25,363 --> 01:30:25,613
really do that monitoring. So

1794
01:30:26,663 --> 01:30:26,913
it's just really important I

1795
01:30:28,913 --> 01:30:29,163
think that's that we've we've

1796
01:30:30,663 --> 01:30:30,913
gotten really good

1797
01:30:32,630 --> 01:30:32,880
participation from landowners

1798
01:30:34,646 --> 01:30:34,896
but it's still majority vast

1799
01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:35,530
majority of the state is is

1800
01:30:35,846 --> 01:30:36,096
privately owned as you know.

1801
01:30:38,913 --> 01:30:39,163
Paula OK he has a follow up and

1802
01:30:40,913 --> 01:30:41,163
then after him representative

1803
01:30:42,846 --> 01:30:43,096
Dobritsky has a question you're

1804
01:30:44,813 --> 01:30:45,063
next. I mean he's got a follow

1805
01:30:46,363 --> 01:30:46,613
up and then you're next

1806
01:30:50,363 --> 01:30:50,613
so on these aquifers let's

1807
01:30:52,663 --> 01:30:52,913
just use the ogallala since it's

1808
01:30:53,380 --> 01:30:53,630
a big one that's been mentioned

1809
01:30:54,863 --> 01:30:55,113
a lot. how many how many wells

1810
01:30:56,896 --> 01:30:57,146
do we have on theogallala

1811
01:30:57,513 --> 01:30:57,763
monitoring wells don't know that

1812
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:01,330
mean I can get you that

1813
01:31:02,863 --> 01:31:03,113
information you can get that for

1814
01:31:03,546 --> 01:31:03,796
me thank you thank you

1815
01:31:09,346 --> 01:31:09,596
Thank you director for being

1816
01:31:10,846 --> 01:31:11,096
here and I realize this is

1817
01:31:14,380 --> 01:31:14,630
always challenging and we've

1818
01:31:15,030 --> 01:31:15,280
we've been having this

1819
01:31:15,563 --> 01:31:15,813
conversation for quite some time

1820
01:31:19,163 --> 01:31:19,413
currently one thing that has

1821
01:31:21,163 --> 01:31:21,413
changed in the state is interest

1822
01:31:21,846 --> 01:31:22,096
in data centers

1823
01:31:25,346 --> 01:31:25,596
and a lot of anxiety and

1824
01:31:27,163 --> 01:31:27,413
misinformation surrounding those

1825
01:31:28,663 --> 01:31:28,913
as well

1826
01:31:31,113 --> 01:31:31,363
google recently took the lead by

1827
01:31:34,346 --> 01:31:34,596
announcing the $30 million

1828
01:31:35,063 --> 01:31:35,313
investment in water

1829
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:37,080
infrastructure in our state

1830
01:31:39,146 --> 01:31:39,396
uh2.3 of which is going directly

1831
01:31:41,096 --> 01:31:41,346
towards cedar removal my

1832
01:31:42,946 --> 01:31:43,196
question to you other states are

1833
01:31:43,613 --> 01:31:43,863
proposing

1834
01:31:48,630 --> 01:31:48,880
a use tax specifically on water

1835
01:31:51,330 --> 01:31:51,580
usage for data centers that

1836
01:31:54,396 --> 01:31:54,646
that could go toward water

1837
01:31:56,446 --> 01:31:56,696
resources board DEQ maybe

1838
01:31:56,946 --> 01:31:57,196
conservation commission

1839
01:31:59,113 --> 01:31:59,363
do you feel like

1840
01:32:03,096 --> 01:32:03,346
now would be the time to pursue

1841
01:32:05,163 --> 01:32:05,413
something new like that that

1842
01:32:07,113 --> 01:32:07,363
would create additional funding

1843
01:32:08,663 --> 01:32:08,913
for our state whenever the

1844
01:32:09,213 --> 01:32:09,463
demand seems to be

1845
01:32:12,346 --> 01:32:12,596
full full speed ahead for those

1846
01:32:14,363 --> 01:32:14,613
type centers yes thank you for

1847
01:32:14,980 --> 01:32:15,230
that question. I know we are

1848
01:32:16,630 --> 01:32:16,880
getting a a lot of calls and

1849
01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:18,630
actually this is a good time to

1850
01:32:19,080 --> 01:32:19,330
plug the governor's water

1851
01:32:20,413 --> 01:32:20,663
conference we host in December

1852
01:32:21,146 --> 01:32:21,396
we're having a session on data

1853
01:32:22,830 --> 01:32:23,080
centers so I hope you all can

1854
01:32:26,663 --> 01:32:26,913
come but yeah I think

1855
01:32:29,163 --> 01:32:29,413
certainly we we did a study

1856
01:32:31,380 --> 01:32:31,630
for the water infrastructure

1857
01:32:34,413 --> 01:32:34,663
piece on additional ways to

1858
01:32:36,396 --> 01:32:36,646
leverage and and one of those is

1859
01:32:38,830 --> 01:32:39,080
looking for instance, looking at

1860
01:32:39,513 --> 01:32:39,763
the city of New

1861
01:32:41,213 --> 01:32:41,463
Orleans is looking at hotel

1862
01:32:46,363 --> 01:32:46,613
taxes to to pay for water

1863
01:32:47,113 --> 01:32:47,363
planning and water

1864
01:32:49,130 --> 01:32:49,380
infrastructure in that area so I

1865
01:32:51,096 --> 01:32:51,346
think yes that you know not

1866
01:32:52,863 --> 01:32:53,113
not only the infrastructure

1867
01:32:54,630 --> 01:32:54,880
piece but also the

1868
01:32:56,596 --> 01:32:56,846
implementation of more, you

1869
01:32:57,196 --> 01:32:57,446
know, monitoring things like

1870
01:33:00,346 --> 01:33:00,596
that. I think that's a great

1871
01:33:01,363 --> 01:33:01,613
opportunity not not to single

1872
01:33:03,096 --> 01:33:03,346
anyone industry out but you

1873
01:33:06,363 --> 01:33:06,613
know I think we're you all

1874
01:33:08,380 --> 01:33:08,630
certainly have your work cut out

1875
01:33:09,030 --> 01:33:09,280
for you as this this data center

1876
01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:12,630
industry develops and we

1877
01:33:14,346 --> 01:33:14,596
certainly don't want you know

1878
01:33:16,896 --> 01:33:17,146
municipalities or counties to

1879
01:33:18,580 --> 01:33:18,830
miss out on opportunities if

1880
01:33:20,646 --> 01:33:20,896
they can be done done safely

1881
01:33:22,396 --> 01:33:22,646
and and

1882
01:33:24,896 --> 01:33:25,146
so appreciate that answer and

1883
01:33:26,630 --> 01:33:26,880
and look forward to the

1884
01:33:28,413 --> 01:33:28,663
governor's water conference

1885
01:33:30,363 --> 01:33:30,613
again this year three weeks from

1886
01:33:31,380 --> 01:33:31,630
today utilities committee will

1887
01:33:34,363 --> 01:33:34,613
host an interim study on data

1888
01:33:35,130 --> 01:33:35,380
centers though I thought I'd

1889
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:37,130
just throw that bomb in the room

1890
01:33:38,813 --> 01:33:39,063
here so that everybody has kind

1891
01:33:39,496 --> 01:33:39,746
of three weeks to

1892
01:33:42,346 --> 01:33:42,596
digest that and and be prepared

1893
01:33:44,630 --> 01:33:44,880
and may I ask Mr Neal one

1894
01:33:45,213 --> 01:33:45,463
question then I'll be done. Yes

1895
01:33:46,630 --> 01:33:46,880
you bet you recognized for a

1896
01:33:47,313 --> 01:33:47,563
follow up

1897
01:33:51,113 --> 01:33:51,363
ri and I greatly appreciate your

1898
01:33:53,163 --> 01:33:53,413
work last week navigating that

1899
01:33:54,380 --> 01:33:54,630
very fun

1900
01:33:58,563 --> 01:33:58,813
s it wasn't fun very

1901
01:34:00,413 --> 01:34:00,663
interesting meeting between the

1902
01:34:02,346 --> 01:34:02,596
Oklahoma City Water Trust in the

1903
01:34:03,363 --> 01:34:03,613
Canton Lake association

1904
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:07,130
it

1905
01:34:12,396 --> 01:34:12,646
please to clarify what I think I

1906
01:34:13,163 --> 01:34:13,413
heard in that meeting last week

1907
01:34:17,130 --> 01:34:17,380
we're we're foregoing the 30

1908
01:34:20,363 --> 01:34:20,613
days notice from the meeting to

1909
01:34:22,346 --> 01:34:22,596
the water release in this case

1910
01:34:22,980 --> 01:34:23,230
because we feel like it's an

1911
01:34:26,363 --> 01:34:26,613
emergency but wasn't isn't there

1912
01:34:28,896 --> 01:34:29,146
in place active water

1913
01:34:31,113 --> 01:34:31,363
restrictions in Oklahoma City

1914
01:34:32,830 --> 01:34:33,080
before a release can take place

1915
01:34:36,363 --> 01:34:36,613
from what I understand yes the

1916
01:34:38,580 --> 01:34:38,830
Oklahoma's Oklama City has put

1917
01:34:40,796 --> 01:34:41,046
in place watering lawn watering

1918
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:45,330
restrictions I believe they

1919
01:34:48,596 --> 01:34:48,846
put those in place in the2010

1920
01:34:50,846 --> 01:34:51,096
to201f r drought and left those

1921
01:34:52,596 --> 01:34:52,846
in place so they are always

1922
01:34:54,846 --> 01:34:55,096
under some form of water

1923
01:34:56,863 --> 01:34:57,113
restrictions in Oklahoma City.

1924
01:34:58,913 --> 01:34:59,163
thank you for that clarification

1925
01:34:59,596 --> 01:34:59,846
would you be surprised

1926
01:35:02,930 --> 01:35:03,180
I I have some millennials that

1927
01:35:06,613 --> 01:35:06,863
I used to be responsible for

1928
01:35:08,596 --> 01:35:08,846
they got out on their own that

1929
01:35:10,663 --> 01:35:10,913
is a resident of Oklahoma City

1930
01:35:12,863 --> 01:35:13,113
for seven years and claims that

1931
01:35:15,113 --> 01:35:15,363
he has never seen anything in

1932
01:35:16,946 --> 01:35:17,196
his water bill or any

1933
01:35:19,113 --> 01:35:19,363
communication from Oklahoma City

1934
01:35:21,346 --> 01:35:21,596
regarding water restriction at

1935
01:35:22,013 --> 01:35:22,263
his residence

1936
01:35:24,946 --> 01:35:25,196
would you believe that

1937
01:35:25,413 --> 01:35:25,663
if

1938
01:35:28,746 --> 01:35:28,996
you don't have ok thank you

1939
01:35:32,863 --> 01:35:33,113
ok we have one more question and

1940
01:35:34,413 --> 01:35:34,663
keep in mindpresentative we are

1941
01:35:36,413 --> 01:35:36,663
running short on time thank you

1942
01:35:37,113 --> 01:35:37,363
Mr chairirman. I just I want to

1943
01:35:38,896 --> 01:35:39,146
know this this for you that I

1944
01:35:40,663 --> 01:35:40,913
wanted to touch on this you

1945
01:35:41,280 --> 01:35:41,530
talked about the Oklahoma

1946
01:35:41,796 --> 01:35:42,046
cityity and the canton lake

1947
01:35:44,863 --> 01:35:45,113
so could I could you give me a

1948
01:35:45,496 --> 01:35:45,746
best guess estimate

1949
01:35:49,130 --> 01:35:49,380
if how much water leaves

1950
01:35:51,146 --> 01:35:51,396
canton lake how much of it will

1951
01:35:52,613 --> 01:35:52,863
actually wind up in Lake

1952
01:35:54,663 --> 01:35:54,913
heffnerner Oklahoma City's

1953
01:35:56,830 --> 01:35:57,080
requested 16,000 acre feet to be

1954
01:36:00,896 --> 01:36:01,146
released from canton Lake we

1955
01:36:03,146 --> 01:36:03,396
can do an estimate one of the

1956
01:36:04,613 --> 01:36:04,863
things that we were going to do

1957
01:36:06,396 --> 01:36:06,646
from the last release is go back

1958
01:36:07,163 --> 01:36:07,413
and look at how much they were

1959
01:36:09,130 --> 01:36:09,380
able to capture so they could

1960
01:36:10,630 --> 01:36:10,880
probably capture anywhere from40

1961
01:36:13,113 --> 01:36:13,363
to60% of that I believe is

1962
01:36:15,146 --> 01:36:15,396
probably reasonable depending on

1963
01:36:15,896 --> 01:36:16,146
the conditions if it rains

1964
01:36:18,913 --> 01:36:19,163
how hot it's been, those types

1965
01:36:20,896 --> 01:36:21,146
of things and they do a

1966
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:23,130
calculation and they also have

1967
01:36:24,596 --> 01:36:24,846
in the agreement there's

1968
01:36:26,346 --> 01:36:26,596
water restrictions and things

1969
01:36:27,113 --> 01:36:27,363
like that they're spelled out in

1970
01:36:28,363 --> 01:36:28,613
that agreement so we can take a

1971
01:36:30,396 --> 01:36:30,646
look at that. Director, could

1972
01:36:31,180 --> 01:36:31,430
you raise your mic a little?

1973
01:36:33,113 --> 01:36:33,363
you're just a little quiet yes

1974
01:36:36,863 --> 01:36:37,113
sir thank you ok so I am zipping

1975
01:36:40,413 --> 01:36:40,663
through these so again

1976
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:42,630
this this past session we did

1977
01:36:44,646 --> 01:36:44,896
request dam safety and

1978
01:36:45,380 --> 01:36:45,630
floodplain funding we are by

1979
01:36:46,063 --> 01:36:46,313
the

1980
01:36:50,880 --> 01:36:51,130
way the ranked the last state

1981
01:36:55,096 --> 01:36:55,346
50th in the country for the

1982
01:36:58,380 --> 01:36:58,630
number of engineers and and

1983
01:36:59,146 --> 01:36:59,396
employees in the in that damn

1984
01:37:01,163 --> 01:37:01,413
safety program. so it really

1985
01:37:03,146 --> 01:37:03,396
emphasizes these these programs

1986
01:37:04,863 --> 01:37:05,113
have just limped along and we're

1987
01:37:08,380 --> 01:37:08,630
we are we are raising

1988
01:37:09,413 --> 01:37:09,663
interest in those again I will

1989
01:37:10,913 --> 01:37:11,163
say the hazard mitigation loan

1990
01:37:12,646 --> 01:37:12,896
programme on the right under

1991
01:37:14,413 --> 01:37:14,663
status that is something that

1992
01:37:15,296 --> 01:37:15,546
you all created a few years

1993
01:37:15,863 --> 01:37:16,113
ago

1994
01:37:18,896 --> 01:37:19,146
and have continued to put $1

1995
01:37:20,630 --> 01:37:20,880
million I think we're on year

1996
01:37:22,596 --> 01:37:22,846
three of four that money we've

1997
01:37:24,863 --> 01:37:25,113
just received notice from FEMA

1998
01:37:26,580 --> 01:37:26,830
last week. there's going to

1999
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:29,130
be280 million dollars available

2000
01:37:32,863 --> 01:37:33,113
nationwide and it is a 10 to1

2001
01:37:35,130 --> 01:37:35,380
state to federal match. so every

2002
01:37:38,630 --> 01:37:38,880
$1 the federal government will

2003
01:37:39,380 --> 01:37:39,630
put in $10. they've encouraged

2004
01:37:42,396 --> 01:37:42,646
us to ask for all40 million and

2005
01:37:43,146 --> 01:37:43,396
we are going to do that so

2006
01:37:44,896 --> 01:37:45,146
that's going to be some great

2007
01:37:45,563 --> 01:37:45,813
leverage and really an

2008
01:37:45,996 --> 01:37:46,246
infusion

2009
01:37:50,346 --> 01:37:50,596
of funding that is really

2010
01:37:51,113 --> 01:37:51,363
important for hazard mitigation

2011
01:37:54,596 --> 01:37:54,846
and flood control the the

2012
01:37:57,096 --> 01:37:57,346
the very last item Okhoma Occ

2013
01:37:57,713 --> 01:37:57,963
flood controlled damm

2014
01:38:00,630 --> 01:38:00,880
rehabilitation the the water

2015
01:38:01,246 --> 01:38:01,496
plant specifically supported

2016
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:03,330
this in the in the

2017
01:38:04,830 --> 01:38:05,080
recommendations I believe the

2018
01:38:07,113 --> 01:38:07,363
number was2.7 million that

2019
01:38:09,130 --> 01:38:09,380
that that programme received

2020
01:38:12,596 --> 01:38:12,846
last year. Again the umer

2021
01:38:14,613 --> 01:38:14,863
invasive species received about

2022
01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:15,530
3.7 million

2023
01:38:19,063 --> 01:38:19,313
last year maxim man your

2024
01:38:20,846 --> 01:38:21,096
yields this is something that we

2025
01:38:22,830 --> 01:38:23,080
use gross production tax for and

2026
01:38:26,363 --> 01:38:26,613
that was renewed for fiveyear

2027
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:28,830
extension so that's fantastic

2028
01:38:30,813 --> 01:38:31,063
and then water law monetization

2029
01:38:33,296 --> 01:38:33,546
we did ask for well drillers

2030
01:38:36,380 --> 01:38:36,630
remedial fund and a statewide

2031
01:38:38,363 --> 01:38:38,613
water well spacing. So now

2032
01:38:40,580 --> 01:38:40,830
anywhere in the state if

2033
01:38:42,346 --> 01:38:42,596
someone comes and tries to drill

2034
01:38:44,596 --> 01:38:44,846
a well they they have to

2035
01:38:45,096 --> 01:38:45,346
recognize the state this spacing

2036
01:38:48,330 --> 01:38:48,580
requirements so I think that's

2037
01:38:49,046 --> 01:38:49,296
very very helpful when it comes

2038
01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:51,280
to protecting private wells so

2039
01:38:52,830 --> 01:38:53,080
these are my last two sides so

2040
01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:55,330
the remaining priorities that

2041
01:38:57,080 --> 01:38:57,330
we see and that we are kind of

2042
01:38:59,096 --> 01:38:59,346
rising up to the top in addition

2043
01:39:00,596 --> 01:39:00,846
to everything we've talked about

2044
01:39:02,813 --> 01:39:03,063
today expanding capacity of

2045
01:39:04,846 --> 01:39:05,096
our infrastructure programs so

2046
01:39:06,846 --> 01:39:07,096
we certainly are going to be

2047
01:39:08,846 --> 01:39:09,096
requesting that 35 million

2048
01:39:12,346 --> 01:39:12,596
become recurring and there was

2049
01:39:14,846 --> 01:39:15,096
another 10 infusion for our

2050
01:39:15,446 --> 01:39:15,696
longstanding reap grant program

2051
01:39:18,546 --> 01:39:18,796
we think that is money very well

2052
01:39:20,830 --> 01:39:21,080
spent and and upping the

2053
01:39:22,613 --> 01:39:22,863
technical assistance to these

2054
01:39:24,813 --> 01:39:25,063
smaller systems for

2055
01:39:26,380 --> 01:39:26,630
capital improvements

2056
01:39:30,796 --> 01:39:31,046
planning they several years ago

2057
01:39:32,846 --> 01:39:33,096
you the the it was actually a

2058
01:39:34,580 --> 01:39:34,830
state question that created this

2059
01:39:35,346 --> 01:39:35,596
water infrastructure credit

2060
01:39:37,063 --> 01:39:37,313
enhancement reserve fund so what

2061
01:39:39,063 --> 01:39:39,313
that did is it allows the

2062
01:39:41,130 --> 01:39:41,380
waterboard to use the backing of

2063
01:39:44,613 --> 01:39:44,863
the state to further leverage

2064
01:39:48,380 --> 01:39:48,630
our programs and increases

2065
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:50,830
our security from any kind of

2066
01:39:52,830 --> 01:39:53,080
risk of default we've had zero

2067
01:39:56,346 --> 01:39:56,596
defaults through the 30 years of

2068
01:39:57,046 --> 01:39:57,296
these of these loan programs

2069
01:39:58,830 --> 01:39:59,080
but what we're going to be

2070
01:40:00,580 --> 01:40:00,830
planning on doing is coming back

2071
01:40:02,563 --> 01:40:02,813
to the legislature this year and

2072
01:40:05,030 --> 01:40:05,280
asking to up that so we've never

2073
01:40:06,813 --> 01:40:07,063
touched it it's not it's not

2074
01:40:08,880 --> 01:40:09,130
something that we anticipate

2075
01:40:10,630 --> 01:40:10,880
ever touching but for the rating

2076
01:40:12,613 --> 01:40:12,863
agents agencies for Standard and

2077
01:40:14,796 --> 01:40:15,046
pooror's and Moody and Fitch

2078
01:40:16,830 --> 01:40:17,080
they look at that and in

2079
01:40:18,830 --> 01:40:19,080
their consideration of our

2080
01:40:20,613 --> 01:40:20,863
leveragging those programs so

2081
01:40:22,346 --> 01:40:22,596
that's something that we feel

2082
01:40:24,613 --> 01:40:24,863
like that you all can do and it

2083
01:40:25,246 --> 01:40:25,496
won't won't require funding

2084
01:40:30,363 --> 01:40:30,613
d d re s s drought and flood

2085
01:40:30,996 --> 01:40:31,246
drought and flooding by supreme

2086
01:40:32,863 --> 01:40:33,113
reoccurring appropriations again

2087
01:40:34,346 --> 01:40:34,596
for their damn safety and

2088
01:40:36,346 --> 01:40:36,596
theokklahoma flood plan which

2089
01:40:38,596 --> 01:40:38,846
was required to be created by us

2090
01:40:41,113 --> 01:40:41,363
through Senate bill 1269 back

2091
01:40:44,346 --> 01:40:44,596
in2020 and has yet to receive

2092
01:40:45,096 --> 01:40:45,346
funding but we've pieced

2093
01:40:49,063 --> 01:40:49,313
together some funding from

2094
01:40:52,630 --> 01:40:52,880
the apps several other agencies

2095
01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:54,630
and federal federal funding

2096
01:40:54,946 --> 01:40:55,196
emergency management Department

2097
01:40:55,596 --> 01:40:55,846
ofcomerce

2098
01:40:59,180 --> 01:40:59,430
has some funding complete the

2099
01:41:00,613 --> 01:41:00,863
groth the maximum annual yields

2100
01:41:02,413 --> 01:41:02,663
thatri mentioned so we have that

2101
01:41:04,646 --> 01:41:04,896
list and we are blazing through

2102
01:41:06,613 --> 01:41:06,863
that list really looking

2103
01:41:08,630 --> 01:41:08,880
forward to getting out there and

2104
01:41:10,630 --> 01:41:10,880
finalizing that public process

2105
01:41:12,646 --> 01:41:12,896
and and yield determination and

2106
01:41:14,396 --> 01:41:14,646
then statewide groundwater

2107
01:41:16,896 --> 01:41:17,146
monitoring certainly is

2108
01:41:17,413 --> 01:41:17,663
foundational baseline

2109
01:41:21,113 --> 01:41:21,363
information that we really

2110
01:41:22,613 --> 01:41:22,863
really need to manage these

2111
01:41:24,863 --> 01:41:25,113
aquifers. and and then again

2112
01:41:26,613 --> 01:41:26,863
support regional regional

2113
01:41:28,630 --> 01:41:28,880
planning local local planning

2114
01:41:30,846 --> 01:41:31,096
initiatives and advancing

2115
01:41:32,830 --> 01:41:33,080
precision agriculture. So those

2116
01:41:36,396 --> 01:41:36,646
are the things that we have we

2117
01:41:38,630 --> 01:41:38,880
have certainly kept on the on

2118
01:41:40,646 --> 01:41:40,896
the high priority list and then

2119
01:41:41,363 --> 01:41:41,613
itpresentative Newton we've

2120
01:41:44,396 --> 01:41:44,646
talked about these these

2121
01:41:46,413 --> 01:41:46,663
few things so really for

2122
01:41:46,996 --> 01:41:47,246
groundwater permitting

2123
01:41:47,430 --> 01:41:47,680
considering legislation

2124
01:41:47,996 --> 01:41:48,246
requiring metering

2125
01:41:51,130 --> 01:41:51,380
for new permits so that's

2126
01:41:53,196 --> 01:41:53,446
something right now that

2127
01:41:55,146 --> 01:41:55,396
could certainly be implemented

2128
01:41:57,380 --> 01:41:57,630
so permitting I mean metering

2129
01:41:58,630 --> 01:41:58,880
would not be required for

2130
01:42:00,413 --> 01:42:00,663
existing permit holders but any

2131
01:42:02,680 --> 01:42:02,930
new permit applications or in

2132
01:42:04,646 --> 01:42:04,896
certain groundwater basins

2133
01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:06,880
even critical basins you

2134
01:42:09,163 --> 01:42:09,413
could certainly explore

2135
01:42:10,863 --> 01:42:11,113
requiring me metering for those

2136
01:42:12,896 --> 01:42:13,146
new applications. consider

2137
01:42:14,930 --> 01:42:15,180
legislation on the use of

2138
01:42:17,196 --> 01:42:17,446
aquifer depletion levels as

2139
01:42:17,846 --> 01:42:18,096
triggers for issuance of new

2140
01:42:18,513 --> 01:42:18,763
permits

2141
01:42:22,380 --> 01:42:22,630
so this is something we did for

2142
01:42:24,396 --> 01:42:24,646
surface water in certain basins

2143
01:42:26,863 --> 01:42:27,113
is creating trigger lake level

2144
01:42:29,096 --> 01:42:29,346
triggers in those basins that

2145
01:42:32,380 --> 01:42:32,630
then require conservation

2146
01:42:34,596 --> 01:42:34,846
exploring local control again

2147
01:42:36,613 --> 01:42:36,863
we've mentioned that exploring

2148
01:42:39,063 --> 01:42:39,313
waste violations overuse

2149
01:42:42,630 --> 01:42:42,880
without a permit offsets through

2150
01:42:44,663 --> 01:42:44,913
master irrigators courses system

2151
01:42:46,413 --> 01:42:46,663
efficiency audits installation

2152
01:42:47,380 --> 01:42:47,630
of meters. So really any any of

2153
01:42:48,046 --> 01:42:48,296
these violator

2154
01:42:51,163 --> 01:42:51,413
s that we we are finding through

2155
01:42:54,846 --> 01:42:55,096
SB259 which requires us to

2156
01:42:58,613 --> 01:42:58,863
to take enforcement action it

2157
01:43:00,380 --> 01:43:00,630
doesn't say the waterboardme it

2158
01:43:01,063 --> 01:43:01,313
says they shall

2159
01:43:03,113 --> 01:43:03,363
and so we're trying to be

2160
01:43:04,830 --> 01:43:05,080
creative and and you know if if

2161
01:43:08,380 --> 01:43:08,630
we do find cases of waste

2162
01:43:09,113 --> 01:43:09,363
which means using water without

2163
01:43:12,396 --> 01:43:12,646
a permit and and or wasting

2164
01:43:14,630 --> 01:43:14,880
water then maybe requiring folks

2165
01:43:15,363 --> 01:43:15,613
to go through those some of

2166
01:43:17,163 --> 01:43:17,413
those some of those other

2167
01:43:18,913 --> 01:43:19,163
classes are looking at helping

2168
01:43:20,646 --> 01:43:20,896
them with system audits

2169
01:43:24,563 --> 01:43:24,813
to find those those water

2170
01:43:25,146 --> 01:43:25,396
conservation

2171
01:43:28,363 --> 01:43:28,613
opportunities and then

2172
01:43:30,596 --> 01:43:30,846
expanding monitoring and then

2173
01:43:32,363 --> 01:43:32,613
this last one water education

2174
01:43:33,063 --> 01:43:33,313
and outreach were really really

2175
01:43:34,580 --> 01:43:34,830
interested in that the state of

2176
01:43:36,863 --> 01:43:37,113
Texas has spent a lot of money

2177
01:43:39,130 --> 01:43:39,380
the last year on developing

2178
01:43:42,380 --> 01:43:42,630
water education programs as you

2179
01:43:44,396 --> 01:43:44,646
all know water law is extremely

2180
01:43:45,113 --> 01:43:45,363
complicated and there are so

2181
01:43:47,163 --> 01:43:47,413
many so much speculations and

2182
01:43:49,313 --> 01:43:49,563
it's just personal you know it's

2183
01:43:50,863 --> 01:43:51,113
you're affecting my water even

2184
01:43:52,430 --> 01:43:52,680
though legally it may not be

2185
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:54,630
your water it's very personal so

2186
01:43:55,113 --> 01:43:55,363
I think the more we can get out

2187
01:43:55,796 --> 01:43:56,046
there and

2188
01:43:57,113 --> 01:43:57,363
and educate on so many

2189
01:43:58,863 --> 01:43:59,113
different levels I would love to

2190
01:44:00,846 --> 01:44:01,096
to do a series for for the

2191
01:44:02,630 --> 01:44:02,880
legislature as well so that's

2192
01:44:03,313 --> 01:44:03,563
all I have

2193
01:44:06,330 --> 01:44:06,580
I will take any questions thank

2194
01:44:08,380 --> 01:44:08,630
you director we we are out of

2195
01:44:10,380 --> 01:44:10,630
time but we do have one pressing

2196
01:44:11,130 --> 01:44:11,380
question by Representative Hill

2197
01:44:11,813 --> 01:44:12,063
you're recognized

2198
01:44:14,613 --> 01:44:14,863
thank you Mr Chairman greatly

2199
01:44:16,396 --> 01:44:16,646
appreciated Directorcunningham

2200
01:44:18,380 --> 01:44:18,630
thank you for being here had

2201
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:19,280
the opportunity to kind of watch

2202
01:44:20,613 --> 01:44:20,863
it as I was coming from a town

2203
01:44:22,363 --> 01:44:22,613
hall in my district the

2204
01:44:24,396 --> 01:44:24,646
curiosity that I have is back on

2205
01:44:25,330 --> 01:44:25,580
number4 if you could go back one

2206
01:44:26,030 --> 01:44:26,280
slide

2207
01:44:29,130 --> 01:44:29,380
on the water monitoring

2208
01:44:30,846 --> 01:44:31,096
information for decision support

2209
01:44:33,146 --> 01:44:33,396
and planning assistance going

2210
01:44:35,346 --> 01:44:35,596
to the chairman's question

2211
01:44:38,380 --> 01:44:38,630
regarding data centers which

2212
01:44:40,396 --> 01:44:40,646
seems to be our new hot topic

2213
01:44:42,363 --> 01:44:42,613
that everyone likes to bring up

2214
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:44,630
in every town hall we're in

2215
01:44:46,613 --> 01:44:46,863
curiosity if in your

2216
01:44:48,396 --> 01:44:48,646
executive summary report if it

2217
01:44:50,396 --> 01:44:50,646
did an observation of the

2218
01:44:52,646 --> 01:44:52,896
difference in water consumption

2219
01:44:54,963 --> 01:44:55,213
between a data center and a

2220
01:44:55,546 --> 01:44:55,796
manufacturing facility

2221
01:44:59,230 --> 01:44:59,480
were you able to have y'all done

2222
01:45:00,980 --> 01:45:01,230
that type of study? do you have

2223
01:45:04,463 --> 01:45:04,713
an ongoing study as thats

2224
01:45:06,513 --> 01:45:06,763
issue keeps coming up. Sure so

2225
01:45:07,163 --> 01:45:07,413
we we did not

2226
01:45:11,130 --> 01:45:11,380
dive into data centers through

2227
01:45:13,430 --> 01:45:13,680
that plan we we have we could

2228
01:45:15,213 --> 01:45:15,463
certainly do that and I think it

2229
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:17,280
would be interesting andris ifri

2230
01:45:19,496 --> 01:45:19,746
has any input on monitoring

2231
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:21,680
but that is certainly something

2232
01:45:23,163 --> 01:45:23,413
you know if you can get ahead of

2233
01:45:24,946 --> 01:45:25,196
something if it's it we try to

2234
01:45:27,263 --> 01:45:27,513
mimic the natural flows and by

2235
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:29,580
removing what you know on

2236
01:45:31,230 --> 01:45:31,480
paper when we do our modeling

2237
01:45:32,996 --> 01:45:33,246
removing those uses so if you

2238
01:45:34,730 --> 01:45:34,980
can get ahead of it and really

2239
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:37,030
understand what's happening.

2240
01:45:37,413 --> 01:45:37,663
I think that's that's very good

2241
01:45:38,296 --> 01:45:38,546
yep.

2242
01:45:41,013 --> 01:45:41,263
I'd also like to point out the

2243
01:45:43,646 --> 01:45:43,896
data center information sorry

2244
01:45:45,230 --> 01:45:45,480
I just jumped in here but the

2245
01:45:47,463 --> 01:45:47,713
data center issues didn't

2246
01:45:49,580 --> 01:45:49,830
start coming up in Oklahoma

2247
01:45:51,496 --> 01:45:51,746
until we were kind of finalizing

2248
01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:53,530
the Okoma conference of our

2249
01:45:55,246 --> 01:45:55,496
plan. I'll note here that data

2250
01:45:57,296 --> 01:45:57,546
centers may be used 1 to5

2251
01:45:59,446 --> 01:45:59,696
million gallons of water per day

2252
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:02,930
could be more the city of Norman

2253
01:46:04,830 --> 01:46:05,080
for an example in the wintertime

2254
01:46:06,863 --> 01:46:07,113
uses about 10 million gallons of

2255
01:46:07,580 --> 01:46:07,830
water a day and in the

2256
01:46:08,113 --> 01:46:08,363
summertime that kicks

2257
01:46:11,346 --> 01:46:11,596
up to about22 to25 million

2258
01:46:11,896 --> 01:46:12,146
gallons of water per day

2259
01:46:15,230 --> 01:46:15,480
so just for some references

2260
01:46:17,296 --> 01:46:17,546
there that's about how much

2261
01:46:19,330 --> 01:46:19,580
water is used you know for the

2262
01:46:21,130 --> 01:46:21,380
city of Norman how much water

2263
01:46:23,096 --> 01:46:23,346
data centers use just throw that

2264
01:46:23,780 --> 01:46:24,030
out there

2265
01:46:28,813 --> 01:46:29,063
one follow up thank you we're

2266
01:46:30,563 --> 01:46:30,813
out of time you bet thank you Mr

2267
01:46:31,246 --> 01:46:31,496
chairirman landed the plane here

2268
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:33,530
for those that will continue

2269
01:46:35,063 --> 01:46:35,313
to be here in the decisions that

2270
01:46:36,846 --> 01:46:37,096
they're going to have to make

2271
01:46:38,796 --> 01:46:39,046
in the year to follow. I

2272
01:46:40,813 --> 01:46:41,063
would just ask that as we're

2273
01:46:42,563 --> 01:46:42,813
considering the importance of

2274
01:46:44,530 --> 01:46:44,780
food being homeland security so

2275
01:46:46,813 --> 01:46:47,063
is data supremacy is homeland

2276
01:46:48,580 --> 01:46:48,830
security as we're proving on the

2277
01:46:49,296 --> 01:46:49,546
southern border right now and so

2278
01:46:52,746 --> 01:46:52,996
I would just ask that that be

2279
01:46:53,346 --> 01:46:53,596
something that y'all would look

2280
01:46:54,013 --> 01:46:54,263
into as those compar

2281
01:46:57,046 --> 01:46:57,296
able s because I think that

2282
01:46:58,480 --> 01:46:58,730
information is going to be

2283
01:47:00,496 --> 01:47:00,746
extremely relevant to the

2284
01:47:01,213 --> 01:47:01,463
decisions our great state's

2285
01:47:02,530 --> 01:47:02,780
about to make thank you thank

2286
01:47:03,196 --> 01:47:03,446
you Mr chairman.

2287
01:47:04,513 --> 01:47:04,763
right thank you sir

2288
01:47:07,146 --> 01:47:07,396
thank you thank you doctorctor

2289
01:47:08,830 --> 01:47:09,080
Cunningham and thank you

2290
01:47:11,046 --> 01:47:11,296
division chief Neil thank you

2291
01:47:12,846 --> 01:47:13,096
very much for your presentation

2292
01:47:15,080 --> 01:47:15,330
very informative. would like

2293
01:47:17,096 --> 01:47:17,346
to call to the table

2294
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:21,330
executive director Dwayne Smith

2295
01:47:24,380 --> 01:47:24,630
from the OA institute and then

2296
01:47:26,646 --> 01:47:26,896
also I think Mr McClintock

2297
01:47:28,630 --> 01:47:28,880
are you going to present or are

2298
01:47:29,313 --> 01:47:29,563
you just gonna let him do it?

2299
01:47:32,613 --> 01:47:32,863
right. Schmith you're recognized

2300
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:35,080
to present talk about water

2301
01:47:36,630 --> 01:47:36,880
planning and the water

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01:47:38,613 --> 01:47:38,863
sustainability so we are

2303
01:47:40,596 --> 01:47:40,846
privileged to have you here and

2304
01:47:41,296 --> 01:47:41,546
thank you very much for being

2305
01:47:43,063 --> 01:47:43,313
here. Tell us what's your job

2306
01:47:44,913 --> 01:47:45,163
title is exactly and then I'll

2307
01:47:45,580 --> 01:47:45,830
turn it over to you

2308
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:49,130
now in my life

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01:47:52,580 --> 01:47:52,830
good morning good to be here

2310
01:47:54,380 --> 01:47:54,630
and Julie thanks for only

2311
01:47:55,096 --> 01:47:55,346
leaving me 10 minutes. I

2312
01:47:57,046 --> 01:47:57,296
appreciate that that's that's

2313
01:47:57,713 --> 01:47:57,963
the

2314
01:48:00,646 --> 01:48:00,896
so formerly I was the executive

2315
01:48:01,346 --> 01:48:01,596
director of the Oklahoma

2316
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:02,930
waterter Resources Board I was

2317
01:48:04,880 --> 01:48:05,130
there for 1w2 years retired from

2318
01:48:05,563 --> 01:48:05,813
the state in2010

2319
01:48:10,413 --> 01:48:10,663
went to Afghanistan with the

2320
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:11,330
corps of engineers did water

2321
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:13,130
planning in afghanistan so I'll

2322
01:48:14,396 --> 01:48:14,646
share some stories about

2323
01:48:15,146 --> 01:48:15,396
afghanistan and

2324
01:48:15,530 --> 01:48:15,780
northwestokklahoma

2325
01:48:20,630 --> 01:48:20,880
and now I am the executive

2326
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:23,130
director of the Oa institute OCa

2327
01:48:24,613 --> 01:48:24,863
is the Choctaw and Chickasaw

2328
01:48:26,380 --> 01:48:26,630
word for water so the water

2329
01:48:26,996 --> 01:48:27,246
institute at the Central

2330
01:48:27,563 --> 01:48:27,813
University.

2331
01:48:30,913 --> 01:48:31,163
I will say for our OSU fans our

2332
01:48:33,146 --> 01:48:33,396
colors are orange and black so

2333
01:48:34,580 --> 01:48:34,830
we're the bright orange at the

2334
01:48:35,246 --> 01:48:35,496
central

2335
01:48:36,713 --> 01:48:36,963
and

2336
01:48:38,863 --> 01:48:39,113
oh man

2337
01:48:40,413 --> 01:48:40,663
yeah there's a

2338
01:48:42,830 --> 01:48:43,080
yes

2339
01:48:48,380 --> 01:48:48,630
and so I also do consulting work

2340
01:48:50,380 --> 01:48:50,630
in my past I've done regional

2341
01:48:51,146 --> 01:48:51,396
water planning I'm gonna talk a

2342
01:48:52,613 --> 01:48:52,863
little bit about that all over

2343
01:48:54,446 --> 01:48:54,696
Oklahoma I want to talk about

2344
01:48:55,063 --> 01:48:55,313
the results of some of those

2345
01:48:56,830 --> 01:48:57,080
so that's who I am

2346
01:49:01,113 --> 01:49:01,363
and I'll go through very briefly

2347
01:49:03,180 --> 01:49:03,430
some of my slides and let me

2348
01:49:10,380 --> 01:49:10,630
Julie

2349
01:49:15,113 --> 01:49:15,363
there we go so the Oak institute

2350
01:49:18,630 --> 01:49:18,880
was established in2016 and Susan

2351
01:49:20,363 --> 01:49:20,613
Paddock was the original

2352
01:49:22,646 --> 01:49:22,896
director of the Oa institute

2353
01:49:23,413 --> 01:49:23,663
former state senator from Ada

2354
01:49:28,613 --> 01:49:28,863
and it was funded and started a

2355
01:49:30,363 --> 01:49:30,613
unique partnership between the

2356
01:49:31,130 --> 01:49:31,380
Chickasaw nation and the city of

2357
01:49:34,580 --> 01:49:34,830
Ada and East Central University

2358
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:35,680
and the goal was to be able to

2359
01:49:36,113 --> 01:49:36,363
provide

2360
01:49:40,430 --> 01:49:40,680
support for sustainable water

2361
01:49:41,113 --> 01:49:41,363
policy.

2362
01:49:44,663 --> 01:49:44,913
as a part of that we established

2363
01:49:46,646 --> 01:49:46,896
not only the Oa institute as a

2364
01:49:48,830 --> 01:49:49,080
part of a technical group but a

2365
01:49:50,830 --> 01:49:51,080
water master's program

2366
01:49:53,280 --> 01:49:53,530
Do Pappas is here who heads

2367
01:49:56,363 --> 01:49:56,613
up the water masters program in

2368
01:49:58,363 --> 01:49:58,613
water management and policy at

2369
01:49:58,980 --> 01:49:59,230
East Central University we have

2370
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:01,130
a number of graduates that are

2371
01:50:04,363 --> 01:50:04,613
working across Oklahoma in

2372
01:50:04,996 --> 01:50:05,246
water policy and management

2373
01:50:10,346 --> 01:50:10,596
So why must we plan for

2374
01:50:12,346 --> 01:50:12,596
sustainability and the first

2375
01:50:12,996 --> 01:50:13,246
thing I want to do is address

2376
01:50:15,163 --> 01:50:15,413
the sustainability word because

2377
01:50:15,846 --> 01:50:16,096
it's it's not

2378
01:50:20,363 --> 01:50:20,613
some people use that word in

2379
01:50:22,346 --> 01:50:22,596
ways that I wanna make sure that

2380
01:50:23,046 --> 01:50:23,296
you understand how I intend that

2381
01:50:23,730 --> 01:50:23,980
word to be used

2382
01:50:27,263 --> 01:50:27,513
sustainability can be replaced

2383
01:50:27,930 --> 01:50:28,180
with reliability

2384
01:50:32,846 --> 01:50:33,096
it's essential for economic

2385
01:50:35,096 --> 01:50:35,346
development so water has to go

2386
01:50:37,080 --> 01:50:37,330
hand in hand with economic

2387
01:50:38,563 --> 01:50:38,813
development it's got to go with

2388
01:50:39,246 --> 01:50:39,496
the money

2389
01:50:42,830 --> 01:50:43,080
and so as we talk through this I

2390
01:50:43,513 --> 01:50:43,763
want to make sure that

2391
01:50:48,346 --> 01:50:48,596
that we don't use this word

2392
01:50:49,063 --> 01:50:49,313
in in different ways that might

2393
01:50:50,580 --> 01:50:50,830
mean different things for

2394
01:50:52,563 --> 01:50:52,813
purposes of my discussion it's

2395
01:50:53,313 --> 01:50:53,563
really about economic

2396
01:50:55,113 --> 01:50:55,363
development. I look at the 1und0

2397
01:50:56,430 --> 01:50:56,680
year hydrograph in Oklahoma

2398
01:51:00,346 --> 01:51:00,596
and in 1957 was our worst

2399
01:51:01,146 --> 01:51:01,396
drought of record and if you

2400
01:51:04,846 --> 01:51:05,096
look back in that time before

2401
01:51:06,546 --> 01:51:06,796
you know the 1980s

2402
01:51:08,863 --> 01:51:09,113
most of our history was drought

2403
01:51:11,113 --> 01:51:11,363
and since that time

2404
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:15,530
it's been the longest wettest

2405
01:51:15,946 --> 01:51:16,196
period in our history

2406
01:51:20,596 --> 01:51:20,846
so I tell people that I started

2407
01:51:22,613 --> 01:51:22,863
at the waterboard and it in in

2408
01:51:23,263 --> 01:51:23,513
the 1980s

2409
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:29,080
and I left at2010 so I take

2410
01:51:30,846 --> 01:51:31,096
credit for the longest wettest

2411
01:51:31,480 --> 01:51:31,730
period in Oklahoma's history

2412
01:51:35,096 --> 01:51:35,346
but with that comes a lot of

2413
01:51:35,763 --> 01:51:36,013
things

2414
01:51:38,846 --> 01:51:39,096
when we were in that long

2415
01:51:41,096 --> 01:51:41,346
drought and in 1957 that's when

2416
01:51:42,846 --> 01:51:43,096
the water board was formed

2417
01:51:44,646 --> 01:51:44,896
that's when the Texas waterter

2418
01:51:46,596 --> 01:51:46,846
Development Board was formed it

2419
01:51:48,613 --> 01:51:48,863
was a devastating piece we had

2420
01:51:50,596 --> 01:51:50,846
gone through the dirty thirties

2421
01:51:52,613 --> 01:51:52,863
now we're in the fiftiess the

2422
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:53,530
worst drought ever

2423
01:51:55,313 --> 01:51:55,563
that's when

2424
01:52:00,363 --> 01:52:00,613
Bob Kerr started talking about

2425
01:52:02,563 --> 01:52:02,813
federal reservoirs we had ive

2426
01:52:04,346 --> 01:52:04,596
bureau of reclamation reservoirs

2427
01:52:06,580 --> 01:52:06,830
built26 corps of engineers

2428
01:52:07,346 --> 01:52:07,596
reservoirs all of these

2429
01:52:08,663 --> 01:52:08,913
reservoirs that we enjoy today

2430
01:52:14,346 --> 01:52:14,596
came from the realization that

2431
01:52:15,096 --> 01:52:15,346
we had to survive a drought

2432
01:52:20,630 --> 01:52:20,880
so now we come forward and we

2433
01:52:22,380 --> 01:52:22,630
went into our longest wettest

2434
01:52:23,046 --> 01:52:23,296
period in history

2435
01:52:25,096 --> 01:52:25,346
and what we did was became

2436
01:52:25,680 --> 01:52:25,930
complacent

2437
01:52:29,346 --> 01:52:29,596
we thought that this was our

2438
01:52:31,080 --> 01:52:31,330
normal this is one thing we have

2439
01:52:31,746 --> 01:52:31,996
to understand about water

2440
01:52:36,580 --> 01:52:36,830
waterter is so local and it's so

2441
01:52:38,863 --> 01:52:39,113
unique to us we looked about

2442
01:52:39,530 --> 01:52:39,780
surviving

2443
01:52:42,596 --> 01:52:42,846
turning on our tap when we want

2444
01:52:44,596 --> 01:52:44,846
water turning on our shower when

2445
01:52:46,346 --> 01:52:46,596
we want to take a shower or

2446
01:52:48,596 --> 01:52:48,846
irrigating through a drought or

2447
01:52:50,363 --> 01:52:50,613
we we don't think about this

2448
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:51,280
generationally

2449
01:52:54,363 --> 01:52:54,613
this is where the water

2450
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:55,280
resources boardard plays a vital

2451
01:52:55,696 --> 01:52:55,946
role

2452
01:52:58,863 --> 01:52:59,113
all of that comprehensive water

2453
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:01,130
planning stuff that you see

2454
01:53:02,863 --> 01:53:03,113
talking about how much water can

2455
01:53:04,796 --> 01:53:05,046
be pumped per acre over a period

2456
01:53:05,463 --> 01:53:05,713
of time

2457
01:53:05,713 --> 01:53:05,963
is really

2458
01:53:08,913 --> 01:53:09,163
a long term plan for that

2459
01:53:14,363 --> 01:53:14,613
the local plans come locally

2460
01:53:16,346 --> 01:53:16,596
with a community or with a

2461
01:53:16,930 --> 01:53:17,180
region or with an irrigator

2462
01:53:19,563 --> 01:53:19,813
and so when this was formed

2463
01:53:22,813 --> 01:53:23,063
this

2464
01:53:25,113 --> 01:53:25,363
was the hydrograph that formed

2465
01:53:28,330 --> 01:53:28,580
the basis of our water policy as

2466
01:53:29,013 --> 01:53:29,263
we see it

2467
01:53:34,596 --> 01:53:34,846
inadequate inadequacies in

2468
01:53:36,430 --> 01:53:36,680
Oklahoma's water law the water

2469
01:53:37,096 --> 01:53:37,346
laws are what they are

2470
01:53:40,330 --> 01:53:40,580
let's don't blame the water

2471
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:41,530
board for the inaccuracies or

2472
01:53:43,113 --> 01:53:43,363
inadequacies in the water law

2473
01:53:44,630 --> 01:53:44,880
theres there's the law they're

2474
01:53:45,296 --> 01:53:45,546
the policy that's set

2475
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:49,130
but we started with a

2476
01:53:51,130 --> 01:53:51,380
conservation statute and back in

2477
01:53:54,613 --> 01:53:54,863
the seventiess and60s there was

2478
01:53:56,380 --> 01:53:56,630
a water law advisory group that

2479
01:53:58,646 --> 01:53:58,896
was formed that was included the

2480
01:54:00,863 --> 01:54:01,113
major industries in Oklahoma

2481
01:54:01,530 --> 01:54:01,780
OG&E Farm Bureau

2482
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:07,080
a bunch of them and they got

2483
01:54:09,313 --> 01:54:09,563
together and they said that we

2484
01:54:10,846 --> 01:54:11,096
have to have a utilization

2485
01:54:12,863 --> 01:54:13,113
statute we can't we can't

2486
01:54:16,363 --> 01:54:16,613
irrigate in the panhandle if we

2487
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:17,530
have a conservation statute the

2488
01:54:17,946 --> 01:54:18,196
science is clear

2489
01:54:21,363 --> 01:54:21,613
the science is clear you get one

2490
01:54:22,546 --> 01:54:22,796
inch of recharge in the ogallala

2491
01:54:25,113 --> 01:54:25,363
if you're going to raise corn

2492
01:54:26,363 --> 01:54:26,613
you're going to use24 to30

2493
01:54:26,946 --> 01:54:27,196
inches

2494
01:54:30,846 --> 01:54:31,096
Right? so so the water levels

2495
01:54:31,530 --> 01:54:31,780
going down

2496
01:54:34,646 --> 01:54:34,896
let's don't I don't know that

2497
01:54:36,363 --> 01:54:36,613
anybody should be surprised

2498
01:54:38,363 --> 01:54:38,613
today to say we have a mining

2499
01:54:39,346 --> 01:54:39,596
statute I would say that mining

2500
01:54:40,030 --> 01:54:40,280
statute's working

2501
01:54:40,996 --> 01:54:41,246
we're mining the groundwater

2502
01:54:46,446 --> 01:54:46,696
This was really

2503
01:54:48,846 --> 01:54:49,096
the public policy at the time

2504
01:54:52,963 --> 01:54:53,213
we want this to be a private

2505
01:54:53,630 --> 01:54:53,880
property right

2506
01:54:56,380 --> 01:54:56,630
we're gonna to allocate your

2507
01:54:57,146 --> 01:54:57,396
water and you can do with that

2508
01:54:58,346 --> 01:54:58,596
water what you want to do with

2509
01:54:59,013 --> 01:54:59,263
it

2510
01:55:02,630 --> 01:55:02,880
the public policy what we heard

2511
01:55:04,380 --> 01:55:04,630
from the panhandle landowners

2512
01:55:06,580 --> 01:55:06,830
what we heard from irrigators

2513
01:55:08,396 --> 01:55:08,646
particularly were that they

2514
01:55:10,363 --> 01:55:10,613
needed two acre feet of water to

2515
01:55:11,046 --> 01:55:11,296
irrigate crops

2516
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:15,530
So what happened as a matter of

2517
01:55:16,380 --> 01:55:16,630
laws we're going to have a

2518
01:55:18,863 --> 01:55:19,113
mining statute we're going to

2519
01:55:20,846 --> 01:55:21,096
allow mining to happen but the

2520
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:23,130
realization of that was we were

2521
01:55:25,396 --> 01:55:25,646
going to have a 1980 water plan

2522
01:55:27,163 --> 01:55:27,413
that moved water from eastern

2523
01:55:29,180 --> 01:55:29,430
Oklahoma to the west so that

2524
01:55:32,663 --> 01:55:32,913
when we had those declines we

2525
01:55:34,346 --> 01:55:34,596
could mitigate those declines

2526
01:55:35,180 --> 01:55:35,430
with transferring water from

2527
01:55:36,896 --> 01:55:37,146
easternokklahoma to western

2528
01:55:38,363 --> 01:55:38,613
Oklahoma and if you look at the

2529
01:55:40,613 --> 01:55:40,863
1980 plan there's a northern

2530
01:55:42,396 --> 01:55:42,646
transfer there's a central

2531
01:55:42,963 --> 01:55:43,213
transfer and a southern

2532
01:55:45,413 --> 01:55:45,663
transfer taking water all the

2533
01:55:46,396 --> 01:55:46,646
way to the panhandle

2534
01:55:52,596 --> 01:55:52,846
So what we see is a policy that

2535
01:55:53,313 --> 01:55:53,563
allows for mining but the

2536
01:55:54,430 --> 01:55:54,680
mitigation strategy

2537
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:57,330
of moving water is

2538
01:56:00,663 --> 01:56:00,913
billions of dollars today

2539
01:56:04,863 --> 01:56:05,113
and can you imagine pumping

2540
01:56:06,830 --> 01:56:07,080
water from southeast Oklahoma

2541
01:56:07,513 --> 01:56:07,763
from some reservoir

2542
01:56:08,780 --> 01:56:09,030
to irrigate

2543
01:56:12,913 --> 01:56:13,163
in the panhand or to irrigate in

2544
01:56:13,596 --> 01:56:13,846
southwest Oklahoma

2545
01:56:14,630 --> 01:56:14,880
when

2546
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:19,330
it a billions of dollars it will

2547
01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:20,030
have to be publicly

2548
01:56:22,730 --> 01:56:22,980
subsidized in order to do that

2549
01:56:24,896 --> 01:56:25,146
what we're seeing though

2550
01:56:28,630 --> 01:56:28,880
is those water transfers are

2551
01:56:29,363 --> 01:56:29,613
viable in some areas Oklahoma

2552
01:56:30,813 --> 01:56:31,063
City ista water from Sardis Lake

2553
01:56:35,046 --> 01:56:35,296
en n id from carrreservoir you

2554
01:56:36,863 --> 01:56:37,113
know we have the we have some of

2555
01:56:38,830 --> 01:56:39,080
this transfer going but it's

2556
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:39,680
around a corner

2557
01:56:43,463 --> 01:56:43,713
stone piece that can afford that

2558
01:56:44,830 --> 01:56:45,080
can provide the economic

2559
01:56:45,413 --> 01:56:45,663
viability to that

2560
01:56:48,813 --> 01:56:49,063
so the question becomes well

2561
01:56:49,480 --> 01:56:49,730
what do we do with agriculture

2562
01:56:53,146 --> 01:56:53,396
and I would say you look at

2563
01:56:55,313 --> 01:56:55,563
Oklahoma panhandle look at

2564
01:56:56,563 --> 01:56:56,813
Texas, look at Kansas

2565
01:56:59,113 --> 01:56:59,363
Kansas is public water supply

2566
01:56:59,780 --> 01:57:00,030
it's not private

2567
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:03,330
go forbid that Oklahoma would go

2568
01:57:06,346 --> 01:57:06,596
make their water public

2569
01:57:08,380 --> 01:57:08,630
our surface water's public our

2570
01:57:09,063 --> 01:57:09,313
groundwater's private

2571
01:57:10,546 --> 01:57:10,796
Texas

2572
01:57:13,130 --> 01:57:13,380
different laws in multiple

2573
01:57:14,430 --> 01:57:14,680
states and the declines are all

2574
01:57:15,113 --> 01:57:15,363
very similar.

2575
01:57:20,846 --> 01:57:21,096
so when you allow irrigation of

2576
01:57:24,346 --> 01:57:24,596
corn or crops in the panhandle

2577
01:57:26,380 --> 01:57:26,630
regardless of what your statute

2578
01:57:28,346 --> 01:57:28,596
is regardless of your management

2579
01:57:30,363 --> 01:57:30,613
plan regardless of your metering

2580
01:57:31,130 --> 01:57:31,380
you're going to see water level

2581
01:57:31,796 --> 01:57:32,046
declines in the panhandle

2582
01:57:35,180 --> 01:57:35,430
and that's what we see that was

2583
01:57:35,863 --> 01:57:36,113
very clear in the eightiess

2584
01:57:36,913 --> 01:57:37,163
and it's very clear today

2585
01:57:40,830 --> 01:57:41,080
what the irrigators have done in

2586
01:57:41,496 --> 01:57:41,746
the panhandle

2587
01:57:45,063 --> 01:57:45,313
is made their efficiency they

2588
01:57:46,380 --> 01:57:46,630
really spent money on

2589
01:57:46,830 --> 01:57:47,080
efficiencies

2590
01:57:50,363 --> 01:57:50,613
so when you look at an irrigator

2591
01:57:52,346 --> 01:57:52,596
today and they they know how

2592
01:57:53,380 --> 01:57:53,630
much water they're using they

2593
01:57:54,396 --> 01:57:54,646
know what their water levels are

2594
01:57:58,846 --> 01:57:59,096
they know what that is they know

2595
01:58:00,846 --> 01:58:01,096
that if they irrigate one piece

2596
01:58:01,546 --> 01:58:01,796
of property over here

2597
01:58:06,330 --> 01:58:06,580
or another 10 acres over here

2598
01:58:07,146 --> 01:58:07,396
they know what the water needs

2599
01:58:08,380 --> 01:58:08,630
are on those particular 10 acre

2600
01:58:09,063 --> 01:58:09,313
tracts

2601
01:58:11,096 --> 01:58:11,346
and they sense those and they

2602
01:58:13,113 --> 01:58:13,363
they manage those in such a way

2603
01:58:14,780 --> 01:58:15,030
to extend that water as long as

2604
01:58:15,446 --> 01:58:15,696
possible

2605
01:58:20,330 --> 01:58:20,580
if we were to change the policy

2606
01:58:20,980 --> 01:58:21,230
and say oh well now you

2607
01:58:24,363 --> 01:58:24,613
can't irrigate or you can't do

2608
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:25,280
that the economic

2609
01:58:28,896 --> 01:58:29,146
piece of that initially would it

2610
01:58:29,580 --> 01:58:29,830
it is

2611
01:58:32,946 --> 01:58:33,196
is a great economic loss

2612
01:58:37,096 --> 01:58:37,346
so some of the discussion has

2613
01:58:38,780 --> 01:58:39,030
been around meeting should we

2614
01:58:39,446 --> 01:58:39,696
require require meters

2615
01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:43,130
so I'm not the director of the

2616
01:58:44,363 --> 01:58:44,613
water board anymore so I can

2617
01:58:45,063 --> 01:58:45,313
have an opinion on that.

2618
01:58:50,580 --> 01:58:50,830
I believe that water metering

2619
01:58:52,646 --> 01:58:52,896
isn't to make an irrigator more

2620
01:58:53,330 --> 01:58:53,580
efficient

2621
01:58:58,363 --> 01:58:58,613
if they needed a meter to make

2622
01:58:59,013 --> 01:58:59,263
their their system more

2623
01:58:59,563 --> 01:58:59,813
efficient they'd have one

2624
01:59:03,130 --> 01:59:03,380
they're efficient because they

2625
01:59:05,080 --> 01:59:05,330
know how much they're pumping

2626
01:59:07,163 --> 01:59:07,413
and they are saving pennies on

2627
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:08,080
the bushel

2628
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:09,130
to make money

2629
01:59:12,430 --> 01:59:12,680
so you don't see 40 acre

2630
01:59:12,996 --> 01:59:13,246
corn

2631
01:59:17,046 --> 01:59:17,296
farms anymore right they're

2632
01:59:18,863 --> 01:59:19,113
they're they're hundreds and

2633
01:59:21,096 --> 01:59:21,346
thousands of acres and and if an

2634
01:59:22,813 --> 01:59:23,063
irrigator can make a penny a

2635
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:25,330
bushel or two pennies a bushel

2636
01:59:27,096 --> 01:59:27,346
I've heard them talk about this

2637
01:59:28,630 --> 01:59:28,880
if they can make that kind of a

2638
01:59:30,363 --> 01:59:30,613
difference they can make money

2639
01:59:32,613 --> 01:59:32,863
the smaller ones can't we're

2640
01:59:34,846 --> 01:59:35,096
it's it's now it's become bigger

2641
01:59:36,396 --> 01:59:36,646
because of the economics of it

2642
01:59:40,363 --> 01:59:40,613
if they use less water that's

2643
01:59:40,963 --> 01:59:41,213
less money they spend on

2644
01:59:41,530 --> 01:59:41,780
pumping.

2645
01:59:49,396 --> 01:59:49,646
One thing our laws don't do is

2646
01:59:50,430 --> 01:59:50,680
look at the environmental

2647
01:59:51,013 --> 01:59:51,263
benefit

2648
01:59:54,946 --> 01:59:55,196
so when you look at a stream

2649
01:59:56,580 --> 01:59:56,830
water permit and you look at

2650
01:59:57,146 --> 01:59:57,396
beneficial uses

2651
02:00:00,380 --> 02:00:00,630
we don't take into account the

2652
02:00:02,613 --> 02:00:02,863
nonconsumptive use what is that

2653
02:00:04,396 --> 02:00:04,646
nonconsumptive use fish and

2654
02:00:05,046 --> 02:00:05,296
wildlife etc

2655
02:00:07,163 --> 02:00:07,413
some people say well we don't

2656
02:00:08,630 --> 02:00:08,880
want to prioritize fish over

2657
02:00:09,296 --> 02:00:09,546
people.

2658
02:00:12,380 --> 02:00:12,630
but I would submit to you that

2659
02:00:14,596 --> 02:00:14,846
if you remove the fish

2660
02:00:18,896 --> 02:00:19,146
and you remove the environmental

2661
02:00:19,563 --> 02:00:19,813
benefit of our water

2662
02:00:22,713 --> 02:00:22,963
you don't have a reliable system

2663
02:00:26,346 --> 02:00:26,596
you don't have a reliable system

2664
02:00:28,446 --> 02:00:28,696
for withdrawals for industry for

2665
02:00:29,130 --> 02:00:29,380
cities or irrigators

2666
02:00:32,613 --> 02:00:32,863
so it has to be taken into

2667
02:00:36,346 --> 02:00:36,596
account is one priority take it

2668
02:00:37,380 --> 02:00:37,630
into account we shouldn't be

2669
02:00:37,963 --> 02:00:38,213
afraid of that analysis

2670
02:00:42,546 --> 02:00:42,796
Water sustainability

2671
02:00:46,330 --> 02:00:46,580
I look at thelue river we've

2672
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:47,280
done a recent economic study on

2673
02:00:47,730 --> 02:00:47,980
the Blueriver

2674
02:00:52,663 --> 02:00:52,913
$1.5 billion of economic benefit

2675
02:00:53,346 --> 02:00:53,596
in thelue river.

2676
02:00:58,880 --> 02:00:59,130
and the reason for that is that

2677
02:01:02,346 --> 02:01:02,596
thelue river is reliable it's a

2678
02:01:03,013 --> 02:01:03,263
perennial stream it's not

2679
02:01:03,580 --> 02:01:03,830
intermittent

2680
02:01:07,230 --> 02:01:07,480
it that provides the reliability

2681
02:01:09,163 --> 02:01:09,413
for the city of Durant it

2682
02:01:10,846 --> 02:01:11,096
provides the reliability for

2683
02:01:13,330 --> 02:01:13,580
cattle producers to water

2684
02:01:17,146 --> 02:01:17,396
it reply it supplies the

2685
02:01:19,113 --> 02:01:19,363
reliability for the recreation

2686
02:01:20,396 --> 02:01:20,646
and tourism that comes with that

2687
02:01:23,463 --> 02:01:23,713
if you were to use the

2688
02:01:24,646 --> 02:01:24,896
Oklahoma's current water law

2689
02:01:28,663 --> 02:01:28,913
in appropriate 100% of the

2690
02:01:31,113 --> 02:01:31,363
average annual flow you could

2691
02:01:34,346 --> 02:01:34,596
make it's possible you could

2692
02:01:34,930 --> 02:01:35,180
make thelue river intermittent

2693
02:01:38,613 --> 02:01:38,863
you've impacted $1.5 billion

2694
02:01:40,880 --> 02:01:41,130
of economic impact

2695
02:01:45,046 --> 02:01:45,296
my recommendation is we need to

2696
02:01:45,730 --> 02:01:45,980
consider

2697
02:01:50,363 --> 02:01:50,613
those nonconsumptive uses as we

2698
02:01:52,380 --> 02:01:52,630
look at water rights I'm not

2699
02:01:52,946 --> 02:01:53,196
saying that you

2700
02:01:56,346 --> 02:01:56,596
those need to be considered and

2701
02:01:57,080 --> 02:01:57,330
they need to be considered from

2702
02:01:57,763 --> 02:01:58,013
an economic

2703
02:01:58,480 --> 02:01:58,730
impact.

2704
02:02:04,763 --> 02:02:05,013
The water board has made very

2705
02:02:05,230 --> 02:02:05,480
strong progress

2706
02:02:07,113 --> 02:02:07,363
and and I want to go through an

2707
02:02:07,780 --> 02:02:08,030
example

2708
02:02:15,230 --> 02:02:15,480
and of course communities aging

2709
02:02:16,863 --> 02:02:17,113
infrastructures the huge deal

2710
02:02:18,646 --> 02:02:18,896
and I'm gonna talk a little bit

2711
02:02:20,630 --> 02:02:20,880
about what I think is a major

2712
02:02:21,330 --> 02:02:21,580
policy proposal on communities

2713
02:02:26,630 --> 02:02:26,880
so these are the water plans

2714
02:02:27,296 --> 02:02:27,546
that I have done

2715
02:02:30,580 --> 02:02:30,830
so the panhandle regional water

2716
02:02:31,213 --> 02:02:31,463
plan northwestokklahoma

2717
02:02:33,396 --> 02:02:33,646
actionlan oss reservoir drought

2718
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:35,130
contingency plan

2719
02:02:37,130 --> 02:02:37,380
southwestokklahoma water supply

2720
02:02:38,563 --> 02:02:38,813
and the Choctaw Chickasaw

2721
02:02:39,130 --> 02:02:39,380
regiongal water planin.

2722
02:02:43,396 --> 02:02:43,646
and out of these there's been

2723
02:02:44,896 --> 02:02:45,146
over a billion dollars of

2724
02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:47,130
economic investment out of these

2725
02:02:48,580 --> 02:02:48,830
plans I want to say that not one

2726
02:02:51,113 --> 02:02:51,363
penny of state money has gone to

2727
02:02:51,780 --> 02:02:52,030
these re this regional planning

2728
02:02:54,813 --> 02:02:55,063
in southwest Oklahoma

2729
02:03:00,363 --> 02:03:00,613
they wanted this was in2011 when

2730
02:03:01,146 --> 02:03:01,396
they had the big drought and as

2731
02:03:04,363 --> 02:03:04,613
you recall they thought then

2732
02:03:06,380 --> 02:03:06,630
that lugeralus reservoir would

2733
02:03:07,063 --> 02:03:07,313
never fail again.

2734
02:03:09,080 --> 02:03:09,330
and ir0 days later it was

2735
02:03:09,663 --> 02:03:09,913
overflowing

2736
02:03:15,063 --> 02:03:15,313
the panhandle region Chris Neal

2737
02:03:17,080 --> 02:03:17,330
put together some maps you know

2738
02:03:19,113 --> 02:03:19,363
in June of'73 31 permits

2739
02:03:22,746 --> 02:03:22,996
now 10,000 permits statewide

2740
02:03:24,596 --> 02:03:24,846
we've seen those maps

2741
02:03:27,163 --> 02:03:27,413
now we see the declines

2742
02:03:32,363 --> 02:03:32,613
I I want to ask you what does

2743
02:03:32,996 --> 02:03:33,246
the next 50 years hold?

2744
02:03:42,913 --> 02:03:43,163
Our northwest water action plan

2745
02:03:44,430 --> 02:03:44,680
Julie talked about the car

2746
02:03:46,363 --> 02:03:46,613
reservoir pipeline that came out

2747
02:03:47,113 --> 02:03:47,363
of the northwest waterter action

2748
02:03:47,780 --> 02:03:48,030
plan

2749
02:03:50,846 --> 02:03:51,096
that was that group of

2750
02:03:52,596 --> 02:03:52,846
communities and rural water

2751
02:03:54,663 --> 02:03:54,913
districts supported that plan

2752
02:03:55,330 --> 02:03:55,580
with the city ofennid

2753
02:03:58,613 --> 02:03:58,863
it was hard for the city of Enid

2754
02:04:00,530 --> 02:04:00,780
to get that passed the water

2755
02:04:01,096 --> 02:04:01,346
rates had to go up

2756
02:04:03,113 --> 02:04:03,363
it was very difficult to do that

2757
02:04:08,563 --> 02:04:08,813
but the reality was they were on

2758
02:04:09,230 --> 02:04:09,480
groundwater

2759
02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:11,530
I was the original hearing

2760
02:04:14,346 --> 02:04:14,596
examiner on Enid's groundwater

2761
02:04:15,013 --> 02:04:15,263
permit back in the eighties

2762
02:04:18,363 --> 02:04:18,613
they thought that the

2763
02:04:18,813 --> 02:04:19,063
groundwater was going to be

2764
02:04:19,396 --> 02:04:19,646
their long term supply

2765
02:04:24,630 --> 02:04:24,880
They had groundwater declines

2766
02:04:25,296 --> 02:04:25,546
and high nitrates

2767
02:04:27,246 --> 02:04:27,496
they had to go to carr reservoir

2768
02:04:32,880 --> 02:04:33,130
$350 million to provide a

2769
02:04:33,446 --> 02:04:33,696
reliable water supply

2770
02:04:37,163 --> 02:04:37,413
southwestokklahoma we talked a

2771
02:04:39,146 --> 02:04:39,396
little bit about Lugardaus and

2772
02:04:40,896 --> 02:04:41,146
some of the landowners

2773
02:04:41,346 --> 02:04:41,596
you know

2774
02:04:42,563 --> 02:04:42,813
the science is clear

2775
02:04:46,630 --> 02:04:46,880
if you take water above in the

2776
02:04:48,363 --> 02:04:48,613
alluvial deposits above our

2777
02:04:49,063 --> 02:04:49,313
reservoirs the science is very

2778
02:04:49,713 --> 02:04:49,963
clear

2779
02:04:51,480 --> 02:04:51,730
you're going to impact the yield

2780
02:04:52,163 --> 02:04:52,413
of the reservoir

2781
02:04:55,330 --> 02:04:55,580
when you look at Tom Steed

2782
02:04:58,346 --> 02:04:58,596
reservoir. I think the most

2783
02:04:58,963 --> 02:04:59,213
important water supply in

2784
02:05:00,596 --> 02:05:00,846
southwest Oklahoma because it

2785
02:05:02,396 --> 02:05:02,646
supplies water to Alus Alus Air

2786
02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:03,330
forcece Base.

2787
02:05:05,346 --> 02:05:05,596
Frederick

2788
02:05:06,596 --> 02:05:06,846
Schnyder

2789
02:05:12,380 --> 02:05:12,630
if you were to fully implement

2790
02:05:13,146 --> 02:05:13,396
the Oklahoma water law

2791
02:05:15,063 --> 02:05:15,313
appropriate a 100% of the firm

2792
02:05:15,730 --> 02:05:15,980
yield

2793
02:05:20,613 --> 02:05:20,863
of 100% of the flow above

2794
02:05:21,346 --> 02:05:21,596
tomsteed reservoir that would

2795
02:05:23,163 --> 02:05:23,413
reduce the firm yield of steed

2796
02:05:24,346 --> 02:05:24,596
to virtually zero

2797
02:05:25,413 --> 02:05:25,663
the science is clear

2798
02:05:30,363 --> 02:05:30,613
so what the water board did

2799
02:05:32,646 --> 02:05:32,896
after after eight years of study

2800
02:05:33,396 --> 02:05:33,646
with the Bureau of Reclamation

2801
02:05:34,863 --> 02:05:35,113
in local folks as they

2802
02:05:35,396 --> 02:05:35,646
implemented a rule

2803
02:05:39,163 --> 02:05:39,413
to look at how we protect

2804
02:05:40,796 --> 02:05:41,046
Tomsteed reservoir and Lugudaus

2805
02:05:44,580 --> 02:05:44,830
first time the water board's

2806
02:05:45,196 --> 02:05:45,446
done that to protect a reservoir

2807
02:05:48,696 --> 02:05:48,946
a very positive move for that

2808
02:05:50,530 --> 02:05:50,780
now

2809
02:05:54,596 --> 02:05:54,846
the city of Altis has drilled

2810
02:05:55,296 --> 02:05:55,546
wells in Texas brings Texas

2811
02:05:55,863 --> 02:05:56,113
water to

2812
02:05:59,330 --> 02:05:59,580
Alus they have a reverse osmosis

2813
02:06:00,013 --> 02:06:00,263
plant

2814
02:06:04,613 --> 02:06:04,863
Tomsteedreservoir has drilled

2815
02:06:05,263 --> 02:06:05,513
wells to supplement the firm

2816
02:06:05,930 --> 02:06:06,180
yield

2817
02:06:09,130 --> 02:06:09,380
and now we have a sustainable

2818
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:11,130
water supply where Alttairir

2819
02:06:12,613 --> 02:06:12,863
Force base was number one on the

2820
02:06:13,296 --> 02:06:13,546
list

2821
02:06:16,596 --> 02:06:16,846
for the most vulnerable water

2822
02:06:17,380 --> 02:06:17,630
supply of a military

2823
02:06:18,563 --> 02:06:18,813
installation in the United

2824
02:06:19,146 --> 02:06:19,396
States

2825
02:06:20,563 --> 02:06:20,813
it's now off that list

2826
02:06:24,846 --> 02:06:25,096
because of the local planning

2827
02:06:28,346 --> 02:06:28,596
that was done funded through

2828
02:06:30,646 --> 02:06:30,896
state funding sources that the

2829
02:06:32,346 --> 02:06:32,596
legislature's approved with

2830
02:06:32,980 --> 02:06:33,230
folks like the water boardard

2831
02:06:33,646 --> 02:06:33,896
and and others

2832
02:06:38,363 --> 02:06:38,613
we look at the

2833
02:06:41,413 --> 02:06:41,663
regional water plan the

2834
02:06:42,846 --> 02:06:43,096
settlement agreement that was

2835
02:06:44,646 --> 02:06:44,896
approved by the state the tribes

2836
02:06:45,313 --> 02:06:45,563
and Oklahoma City.

2837
02:06:48,846 --> 02:06:49,096
and and so one of these regional

2838
02:06:50,596 --> 02:06:50,846
plans I do want to talk about is

2839
02:06:52,346 --> 02:06:52,596
Oklahoma cityity we talk a

2840
02:06:52,963 --> 02:06:53,213
little bit about Canton because

2841
02:06:53,646 --> 02:06:53,896
that's in the news now

2842
02:06:56,863 --> 02:06:57,113
one of the reasons in the

2843
02:06:58,563 --> 02:06:58,813
settlementgre agreement

2844
02:06:59,113 --> 02:06:59,363
discussions

2845
02:07:01,063 --> 02:07:01,313
from Oklahoma City was that

2846
02:07:04,346 --> 02:07:04,596
because of the lack of

2847
02:07:05,113 --> 02:07:05,363
recognition of groundwater

2848
02:07:07,013 --> 02:07:07,263
surface water interaction and

2849
02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:07,930
groundwater pumpage

2850
02:07:12,346 --> 02:07:12,596
canton reservoirs yield was

2851
02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:13,530
decreased the firm yield was

2852
02:07:13,946 --> 02:07:14,196
decreased

2853
02:07:15,230 --> 02:07:15,480
when you look at

2854
02:07:19,063 --> 02:07:19,313
Chris Neel's slide that Oklahoma

2855
02:07:22,596 --> 02:07:22,846
City has 390,000 acre feet in

2856
02:07:25,080 --> 02:07:25,330
water rights and uses 150,000

2857
02:07:26,663 --> 02:07:26,913
you might think well Oklahoma

2858
02:07:27,330 --> 02:07:27,580
City's got plenty of water

2859
02:07:30,813 --> 02:07:31,063
talk about the firm yield that

2860
02:07:32,396 --> 02:07:32,646
yield it's only there during a

2861
02:07:33,063 --> 02:07:33,313
drought

2862
02:07:36,563 --> 02:07:36,813
that's why Oklahoma City needed

2863
02:07:37,246 --> 02:07:37,496
to go toardusreservoir.

2864
02:07:41,063 --> 02:07:41,313
Now why is Oklahoma City the

2865
02:07:43,080 --> 02:07:43,330
beneficiary you know the good

2866
02:07:43,746 --> 02:07:43,996
thing about Oklahohoma City

2867
02:07:46,613 --> 02:07:46,863
is that they have multiple

2868
02:07:47,180 --> 02:07:47,430
reservoirs

2869
02:07:50,363 --> 02:07:50,613
so they have canon they have

2870
02:07:52,363 --> 02:07:52,613
heffner they have oververholser

2871
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:53,280
they have Tom Steed they've got

2872
02:07:56,380 --> 02:07:56,630
aokka they've got McGee Creek

2873
02:07:57,063 --> 02:07:57,313
and now they're coming with

2874
02:07:57,630 --> 02:07:57,880
Sardis

2875
02:07:59,113 --> 02:07:59,363
and you might say well they're

2876
02:08:00,746 --> 02:08:00,996
gobbling up everything but for

2877
02:08:01,430 --> 02:08:01,680
Sarddu

2878
02:08:04,546 --> 02:08:04,796
part of that agreement was

2879
02:08:06,363 --> 02:08:06,613
Oklahoma City you have to have a

2880
02:08:07,013 --> 02:08:07,263
conservation plan in place

2881
02:08:11,096 --> 02:08:11,346
you have to have your reservoirs

2882
02:08:14,580 --> 02:08:14,830
below50% before you can take

2883
02:08:15,296 --> 02:08:15,546
water from Sardus in other words

2884
02:08:15,963 --> 02:08:16,213
they didn't want

2885
02:08:19,346 --> 02:08:19,596
a sailboat regatta at Lake

2886
02:08:21,063 --> 02:08:21,313
Heffner while Sardus Lake is a

2887
02:08:22,380 --> 02:08:22,630
40 acre frog pond

2888
02:08:29,196 --> 02:08:29,446
those that benefit now provides

2889
02:08:31,196 --> 02:08:31,446
Oklahoma City with future water

2890
02:08:33,130 --> 02:08:33,380
supply for economic development

2891
02:08:35,180 --> 02:08:35,430
Oklahoma City wouldn't even be a

2892
02:08:36,913 --> 02:08:37,163
I don't believe would even be a

2893
02:08:39,113 --> 02:08:39,363
skeleton of what they are today

2894
02:08:41,146 --> 02:08:41,396
had they not made the decision

2895
02:08:42,713 --> 02:08:42,963
to go to Mcee Creek and itoka.

2896
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:47,130
it was controversial all the

2897
02:08:47,530 --> 02:08:47,780
city council lost their jobs

2898
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:51,530
none of the other communities

2899
02:08:51,930 --> 02:08:52,180
wanted to go on board

2900
02:08:52,846 --> 02:08:53,096
but now look

2901
02:08:59,130 --> 02:08:59,380
Piedmont, yukon El Reno you know

2902
02:09:00,813 --> 02:09:01,063
all of them Newcastle they all

2903
02:09:01,446 --> 02:09:01,696
have ties to Oklahoma City

2904
02:09:05,180 --> 02:09:05,430
the future growth of this area

2905
02:09:06,380 --> 02:09:06,630
depends upon Oklahoma City.

2906
02:09:14,563 --> 02:09:14,813
We look at four pillars of

2907
02:09:15,113 --> 02:09:15,363
sustainability

2908
02:09:16,513 --> 02:09:16,763
I want to talk a little bit

2909
02:09:17,080 --> 02:09:17,330
about

2910
02:09:19,113 --> 02:09:19,363
the Terry Peach project with the

2911
02:09:19,780 --> 02:09:20,030
conservation commission

2912
02:09:23,113 --> 02:09:23,363
removing cedar trees cedar trees

2913
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:25,130
use50 gallons of water a day you

2914
02:09:26,796 --> 02:09:27,046
know the stories468 million

2915
02:09:27,346 --> 02:09:27,596
cedar trees

2916
02:09:30,613 --> 02:09:30,863
it reduces the viability of a

2917
02:09:31,296 --> 02:09:31,546
producer to make money on their

2918
02:09:31,963 --> 02:09:32,213
land

2919
02:09:36,580 --> 02:09:36,830
this is an incredibly important

2920
02:09:38,796 --> 02:09:39,046
piece of how we have to tie all

2921
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:39,730
of this together

2922
02:09:41,180 --> 02:09:41,430
into a comprehensive

2923
02:09:42,546 --> 02:09:42,796
plan

2924
02:09:45,063 --> 02:09:45,313
to manage our water resources

2925
02:09:49,213 --> 02:09:49,463
our Chickasaw hoctawlan

2926
02:09:53,263 --> 02:09:53,513
I want to say that Texas is

2927
02:09:53,813 --> 02:09:54,063
coming at us

2928
02:09:57,296 --> 02:09:57,546
whether we like it or not

2929
02:09:57,846 --> 02:09:58,096
they're coming at us

2930
02:10:01,113 --> 02:10:01,363
they're coming across the ed

2931
02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:03,280
river they're coming up the75

2932
02:10:04,830 --> 02:10:05,080
corridor. they're coming up the

2933
02:10:07,080 --> 02:10:07,330
35 corridor they're coming up

2934
02:10:08,830 --> 02:10:09,080
now on the north side of Lake

2935
02:10:09,480 --> 02:10:09,730
Texoma

2936
02:10:12,846 --> 02:10:13,096
we look at population

2937
02:10:14,596 --> 02:10:14,846
projections and we would look at

2938
02:10:16,363 --> 02:10:16,613
old comprehensive water plan

2939
02:10:18,596 --> 02:10:18,846
projections of a straight line

2940
02:10:19,263 --> 02:10:19,513
demand projection for Bryan

2941
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:20,080
County

2942
02:10:22,830 --> 02:10:23,080
was a part of the study that we

2943
02:10:23,496 --> 02:10:23,746
did with the corps of engineers

2944
02:10:26,446 --> 02:10:26,696
they're growing faster than that

2945
02:10:29,080 --> 02:10:29,330
right now we don't we got

2946
02:10:31,296 --> 02:10:31,546
moratoriums on adding hookups

2947
02:10:35,063 --> 02:10:35,313
all over Bryan County

2948
02:10:36,780 --> 02:10:37,030
southernokklahoma Water Corp all

2949
02:10:37,446 --> 02:10:37,696
the way to Ardmore

2950
02:10:40,796 --> 02:10:41,046
landnd values are skyrocketing

2951
02:10:41,480 --> 02:10:41,730
in that area.

2952
02:10:43,196 --> 02:10:43,446
if you own that land it's a

2953
02:10:43,763 --> 02:10:44,013
great thing

2954
02:10:49,096 --> 02:10:49,346
so what do we do what do we do

2955
02:10:49,780 --> 02:10:50,030
about water supply

2956
02:10:57,180 --> 02:10:57,430
I think the groth corridors

2957
02:11:00,780 --> 02:11:01,030
the4fo corridor Newcastle

2958
02:11:05,046 --> 02:11:05,296
ick ck as ha Tuttle Blanchard

2959
02:11:05,680 --> 02:11:05,930
that area's blowing up over

2960
02:11:06,246 --> 02:11:06,496
there

2961
02:11:10,596 --> 02:11:10,846
you look at the thir5 corridor I

2962
02:11:12,846 --> 02:11:13,096
talked to Washington and all of

2963
02:11:14,330 --> 02:11:14,580
those communities along that

2964
02:11:14,896 --> 02:11:15,146
35ardmore

2965
02:11:17,046 --> 02:11:17,296
all the way along there Paul's

2966
02:11:17,730 --> 02:11:17,980
alley

2967
02:11:20,680 --> 02:11:20,930
Goldsby

2968
02:11:22,780 --> 02:11:23,030
Purcell, Norman

2969
02:11:27,246 --> 02:11:27,496
their future is going to be more

2970
02:11:27,913 --> 02:11:28,163
water

2971
02:11:28,930 --> 02:11:29,180
and where are they're going to

2972
02:11:29,613 --> 02:11:29,863
get it

2973
02:11:33,096 --> 02:11:33,346
intensive plans need to take

2974
02:11:34,363 --> 02:11:34,613
place in those areas

2975
02:11:40,846 --> 02:11:41,096
as we look at

2976
02:11:44,596 --> 02:11:44,846
you know, I don't want to go

2977
02:11:45,363 --> 02:11:45,613
over a bunch of numbers with you

2978
02:11:48,380 --> 02:11:48,630
you know the success it's it's

2979
02:11:49,130 --> 02:11:49,380
no longer a proof of concept

2980
02:11:51,163 --> 02:11:51,413
what we do at theoka institute

2981
02:11:53,146 --> 02:11:53,396
is we're not a consultant for

2982
02:11:54,846 --> 02:11:55,096
communities we go work with

2983
02:11:57,146 --> 02:11:57,396
those we get grant monies we got

2984
02:11:58,646 --> 02:11:58,896
FEMA grant monies to look at

2985
02:11:59,213 --> 02:11:59,463
drought fire and flood

2986
02:12:03,063 --> 02:12:03,313
that's how we support ourselves

2987
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:06,630
we now have a grant with EPA

2988
02:12:07,113 --> 02:12:07,363
with the University of New

2989
02:12:08,863 --> 02:12:09,113
Mexico where theokake institute

2990
02:12:09,530 --> 02:12:09,780
is going to be the lead

2991
02:12:10,096 --> 02:12:10,346
technical

2992
02:12:14,596 --> 02:12:14,846
assistance for small communities

2993
02:12:16,846 --> 02:12:17,096
in Oklahoma so we're gonna be

2994
02:12:18,596 --> 02:12:18,846
working with Oklahoma it takes

2995
02:12:20,413 --> 02:12:20,663
multiple trips to a community.

2996
02:12:24,796 --> 02:12:25,046
to get them to understand water

2997
02:12:25,463 --> 02:12:25,713
sustainability

2998
02:12:28,813 --> 02:12:29,063
typically what communities say

2999
02:12:29,496 --> 02:12:29,746
is I can't afford it

3000
02:12:35,246 --> 02:12:35,496
I want to talk a little bit

3001
02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:37,130
about the Arbuckle Simpson

3002
02:12:38,663 --> 02:12:38,913
aquifer you guys are aware of

3003
02:12:40,346 --> 02:12:40,596
the controversy comes up to you

3004
02:12:42,613 --> 02:12:42,863
every single year you put a

3005
02:12:45,096 --> 02:12:45,346
moratorium on mining expansions

3006
02:12:46,630 --> 02:12:46,880
until a study's done to look at

3007
02:12:48,980 --> 02:12:49,230
the impacts of mines in the

3008
02:12:49,546 --> 02:12:49,796
Arbuckle Simpson

3009
02:12:52,913 --> 02:12:53,163
you put2 million dollars at the

3010
02:12:53,580 --> 02:12:53,830
water board

3011
02:12:55,263 --> 02:12:55,513
and the Oa institute

3012
02:12:56,946 --> 02:12:57,196
said they would match it

3013
02:13:02,330 --> 02:13:02,580
that was Susan Paddock said she

3014
02:13:03,013 --> 02:13:03,263
would match it. I didn't, but we

3015
02:13:03,680 --> 02:13:03,930
are

3016
02:13:07,130 --> 02:13:07,380
so now what we're doing and the

3017
02:13:10,630 --> 02:13:10,880
reason for the study is because

3018
02:13:12,413 --> 02:13:12,663
the regional study looked at the

3019
02:13:13,130 --> 02:13:13,380
amount of water that can be

3020
02:13:14,863 --> 02:13:15,113
taken out on a regional basis

3021
02:13:18,363 --> 02:13:18,613
per acre2 acre feet per acre it

3022
02:13:20,413 --> 02:13:20,663
went from two acre feet to.2

3023
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:21,330
acre feet

3024
02:13:25,180 --> 02:13:25,430
so every community every person

3025
02:13:26,880 --> 02:13:27,130
that's wanting to use water and

3026
02:13:28,580 --> 02:13:28,830
drill a well and use it for

3027
02:13:29,146 --> 02:13:29,396
beneficial use besides domestic

3028
02:13:33,130 --> 02:13:33,380
was reduced to0.2 acre feet per

3029
02:13:35,130 --> 02:13:35,380
they had to buy 10 times the

3030
02:13:36,630 --> 02:13:36,880
lane or5 times the lane to get

3031
02:13:38,413 --> 02:13:38,663
the same amount of water city of

3032
02:13:39,080 --> 02:13:39,330
ada etc

3033
02:13:42,396 --> 02:13:42,646
the mining companies were exempt

3034
02:13:45,080 --> 02:13:45,330
and and it's not because mine

3035
02:13:46,846 --> 02:13:47,096
I'm not gonna dog the mining

3036
02:13:48,630 --> 02:13:48,880
companies they were exempt from

3037
02:13:50,646 --> 02:13:50,896
getting water permits since the

3038
02:13:52,430 --> 02:13:52,680
beginning of the water rights

3039
02:13:53,096 --> 02:13:53,346
administration back in the

3040
02:13:53,663 --> 02:13:53,913
eighties

3041
02:13:54,896 --> 02:13:55,146
Water in a producing mine was

3042
02:13:55,530 --> 02:13:55,780
exempt from getting a permit

3043
02:13:58,546 --> 02:13:58,796
and it was because of their

3044
02:13:59,096 --> 02:13:59,346
unique

3045
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:03,930
per ation that they have they

3046
02:14:04,780 --> 02:14:05,030
don't use it they have to move

3047
02:14:05,463 --> 02:14:05,713
it to mine

3048
02:14:09,246 --> 02:14:09,496
and you know and in the

3049
02:14:09,830 --> 02:14:10,080
Arbuckleimpson

3050
02:14:12,546 --> 02:14:12,796
where the community

3051
02:14:16,330 --> 02:14:16,580
and industry have to protect

3052
02:14:16,996 --> 02:14:17,246
springs and streams the mines

3053
02:14:17,663 --> 02:14:17,913
don't

3054
02:14:24,580 --> 02:14:24,830
So this is a way and this and

3055
02:14:26,580 --> 02:14:26,830
the legislature said in there

3056
02:14:28,796 --> 02:14:29,046
that the water board DEQ and

3057
02:14:29,413 --> 02:14:29,663
department ofines do not

3058
02:14:34,363 --> 02:14:34,613
know the impacts of the mines so

3059
02:14:36,613 --> 02:14:36,863
they appropriated money to be

3060
02:14:38,830 --> 02:14:39,080
matched to look at what that is

3061
02:14:41,113 --> 02:14:41,363
and now we are doing what I

3062
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:41,930
believe cutting edge

3063
02:14:43,230 --> 02:14:43,480
technology using

3064
02:14:46,546 --> 02:14:46,796
a helicopter to do

3065
02:14:50,846 --> 02:14:51,096
aerial electromagnetic data

3066
02:14:51,396 --> 02:14:51,646
collection determine the faults

3067
02:14:52,946 --> 02:14:53,196
and flow paths

3068
02:14:58,363 --> 02:14:58,613
to turn to determine a process

3069
02:14:59,063 --> 02:14:59,313
by which we can have minds in

3070
02:15:01,113 --> 02:15:01,363
the Arbuckleimpson our goal is

3071
02:15:01,796 --> 02:15:02,046
not to get rid of the mines

3072
02:15:05,096 --> 02:15:05,346
or to get rid of large water

3073
02:15:07,063 --> 02:15:07,313
wells in the Arbuckleimpson our

3074
02:15:08,563 --> 02:15:08,813
goal is to protect springs and

3075
02:15:09,230 --> 02:15:09,480
streams

3076
02:15:12,330 --> 02:15:12,580
Doctor Lauren Haygood is here

3077
02:15:13,096 --> 02:15:13,346
she's gonna lead she's the

3078
02:15:15,046 --> 02:15:15,296
technical lead for that study

3079
02:15:16,613 --> 02:15:16,863
we're going to use doctorctor

3080
02:15:17,280 --> 02:15:17,530
Toddhallahan from OSU

3081
02:15:20,830 --> 02:15:21,080
we believe the best science team

3082
02:15:22,630 --> 02:15:22,880
is available and I want to

3083
02:15:24,346 --> 02:15:24,596
discuss with you what I believe

3084
02:15:26,830 --> 02:15:27,080
the model is for future studies

3085
02:15:27,496 --> 02:15:27,746
in Oklahoma and the region

3086
02:15:31,113 --> 02:15:31,363
and that is to form a technical

3087
02:15:31,796 --> 02:15:32,046
advisory committee

3088
02:15:36,396 --> 02:15:36,646
have scientists that specialize

3089
02:15:37,080 --> 02:15:37,330
in this work

3090
02:15:39,313 --> 02:15:39,563
come together and advise on

3091
02:15:40,846 --> 02:15:41,096
what the science

3092
02:15:45,046 --> 02:15:45,296
data collection should be and

3093
02:15:46,546 --> 02:15:46,796
what those interpretations are

3094
02:15:50,346 --> 02:15:50,596
and then alongside that have a

3095
02:15:52,863 --> 02:15:53,113
robust stakeholder group that

3096
02:15:54,613 --> 02:15:54,863
gets together routinely and

3097
02:15:56,596 --> 02:15:56,846
talks to the scientists and

3098
02:15:57,163 --> 02:15:57,413
understands the policy as we

3099
02:15:57,846 --> 02:15:58,096
move forward

3100
02:16:00,796 --> 02:16:01,046
let's don't do the science and

3101
02:16:01,463 --> 02:16:01,713
then

3102
02:16:04,796 --> 02:16:05,046
try to inform stakeholders then

3103
02:16:05,463 --> 02:16:05,713
let's do that together

3104
02:16:07,213 --> 02:16:07,463
and I believe this is a model

3105
02:16:09,080 --> 02:16:09,330
that you should look at

3106
02:16:12,346 --> 02:16:12,596
as we do basin studies in

3107
02:16:12,913 --> 02:16:13,163
Oklahoma.

3108
02:16:21,246 --> 02:16:21,496
Regional water planning

3109
02:16:22,630 --> 02:16:22,880
so

3110
02:16:26,380 --> 02:16:26,630
Mr chairman in the interests of

3111
02:16:27,063 --> 02:16:27,313
time

3112
02:16:32,563 --> 02:16:32,813
I'm going to move through

3113
02:16:36,663 --> 02:16:36,913
and I want to talk just a little

3114
02:16:37,330 --> 02:16:37,580
bit about economic development

3115
02:16:38,930 --> 02:16:39,180
and and water infrastructure

3116
02:16:45,246 --> 02:16:45,496
and you know in inokklahoma you

3117
02:16:46,830 --> 02:16:47,080
know twentyome billion dollars

3118
02:16:47,463 --> 02:16:47,713
of need in Oklahoma

3119
02:16:51,130 --> 02:16:51,380
we don't have enough grant money

3120
02:16:53,180 --> 02:16:53,430
to fix our infrastructure

3121
02:16:56,863 --> 02:16:57,113
when you look at a community and

3122
02:16:57,530 --> 02:16:57,780
we say you can't afford it

3123
02:16:58,746 --> 02:16:58,996
what are we saying

3124
02:17:02,896 --> 02:17:03,146
the reason they're in the

3125
02:17:04,646 --> 02:17:04,896
situation they're in is because

3126
02:17:05,313 --> 02:17:05,563
they can't afford it

3127
02:17:07,396 --> 02:17:07,646
so to put a dribble of

3128
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:11,530
2 $4 billion of need

3129
02:17:16,380 --> 02:17:16,630
and and we put50 or or 100

3130
02:17:16,946 --> 02:17:17,196
million or a billion dollars

3131
02:17:17,613 --> 02:17:17,863
into that

3132
02:17:19,313 --> 02:17:19,563
we're not fixing the problem

3133
02:17:22,630 --> 02:17:22,880
by giving the communities

3134
02:17:23,196 --> 02:17:23,446
money

3135
02:17:29,113 --> 02:17:29,363
What we have to do is establish

3136
02:17:32,363 --> 02:17:32,613
a policy I think of and and look

3137
02:17:33,063 --> 02:17:33,313
at affordability of water

3138
02:17:36,863 --> 02:17:37,113
and I I looked at when we were

3139
02:17:38,796 --> 02:17:39,046
minus22 degrees and we didn't

3140
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:39,730
have

3141
02:17:42,863 --> 02:17:43,113
electricity in our communities

3142
02:17:44,430 --> 02:17:44,680
and the outrage that came from

3143
02:17:45,113 --> 02:17:45,363
that

3144
02:17:45,363 --> 02:17:45,613
and what happened

3145
02:17:50,846 --> 02:17:51,096
we raised rates and built

3146
02:17:52,346 --> 02:17:52,596
additional infrastructure so

3147
02:17:52,963 --> 02:17:53,213
that we can withstand that

3148
02:17:57,130 --> 02:17:57,380
with our communities the entire

3149
02:17:58,380 --> 02:17:58,630
backbone of our community

3150
02:18:02,363 --> 02:18:02,613
the entire backbone of economic

3151
02:18:03,046 --> 02:18:03,296
development is around water.

3152
02:18:07,113 --> 02:18:07,363
and if we look at an

3153
02:18:07,580 --> 02:18:07,830
affordability rate

3154
02:18:12,330 --> 02:18:12,580
EPA says that nationally it's

3155
02:18:14,896 --> 02:18:15,146
about2.5% of the median

3156
02:18:15,463 --> 02:18:15,713
household income

3157
02:18:17,013 --> 02:18:17,263
for water and wastewater

3158
02:18:18,913 --> 02:18:19,163
if you look at that

3159
02:18:23,196 --> 02:18:23,446
and take the average median

3160
02:18:24,913 --> 02:18:25,163
household income in Oklahoma and

3161
02:18:25,580 --> 02:18:25,830
the average water rate

3162
02:18:28,780 --> 02:18:29,030
there's about600 million dollars

3163
02:18:29,480 --> 02:18:29,730
a year

3164
02:18:33,196 --> 02:18:33,446
in infrastructure money that's

3165
02:18:33,846 --> 02:18:34,096
not being spent on

3166
02:18:34,280 --> 02:18:34,530
infrastructure

3167
02:18:38,613 --> 02:18:38,863
if you were to take that600

3168
02:18:40,380 --> 02:18:40,630
million and leverage that like

3169
02:18:42,346 --> 02:18:42,596
the water board does with state

3170
02:18:43,013 --> 02:18:43,263
money you could be talking

3171
02:18:44,580 --> 02:18:44,830
you know

3172
02:18:48,363 --> 02:18:48,613
$10 billion

3173
02:18:51,380 --> 02:18:51,630
over 10 years to go into

3174
02:18:51,946 --> 02:18:52,196
infrastructure

3175
02:18:56,846 --> 02:18:57,096
our grant money then should go

3176
02:18:58,546 --> 02:18:58,796
to help those communities that

3177
02:18:59,263 --> 02:18:59,513
are at that affordability rate

3178
02:19:03,096 --> 02:19:03,346
it doesn't have to be2.5%

3179
02:19:05,063 --> 02:19:05,313
whatever we decide that is

3180
02:19:05,630 --> 02:19:05,880
that's just an example

3181
02:19:09,130 --> 02:19:09,380
but we're giving grant

3182
02:19:09,596 --> 02:19:09,846
oftentimes the

3183
02:19:14,380 --> 02:19:14,630
plan for a community is to not

3184
02:19:15,163 --> 02:19:15,413
improve it so that they come

3185
02:19:16,880 --> 02:19:17,130
higher on a priority list for a

3186
02:19:18,846 --> 02:19:19,096
grant and then we give a grant

3187
02:19:19,480 --> 02:19:19,730
for a consent order to implement

3188
02:19:20,146 --> 02:19:20,396
that

3189
02:19:21,013 --> 02:19:21,263
I've heard him say it

3190
02:19:25,413 --> 02:19:25,663
So

3191
02:19:28,930 --> 02:19:29,180
maybe we should look at the

3192
02:19:29,496 --> 02:19:29,746
policy and say

3193
02:19:33,413 --> 02:19:33,663
you you you come to your

3194
02:19:33,980 --> 02:19:34,230
affordability rate

3195
02:19:36,996 --> 02:19:37,246
and then we'll provide grants to

3196
02:19:37,663 --> 02:19:37,913
help you above that

3197
02:19:39,113 --> 02:19:39,363
as a taxpayer

3198
02:19:44,380 --> 02:19:44,630
this is part of the problem with

3199
02:19:45,130 --> 02:19:45,380
regionalization that I hear we

3200
02:19:46,913 --> 02:19:47,163
talk about Friday night football

3201
02:19:48,880 --> 02:19:49,130
fights and communities don't

3202
02:19:49,530 --> 02:19:49,780
want to combine and that's part

3203
02:19:50,196 --> 02:19:50,446
of it

3204
02:19:52,863 --> 02:19:53,113
but I've heard a lot of it is

3205
02:19:55,163 --> 02:19:55,413
that one community has let their

3206
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:56,080
system go bad

3207
02:19:58,663 --> 02:19:58,913
and the other community didn't

3208
02:20:00,380 --> 02:20:00,630
want to combine with them

3209
02:20:00,946 --> 02:20:01,196
because they don't want to

3210
02:20:01,496 --> 02:20:01,746
subsidize that community

3211
02:20:07,063 --> 02:20:07,313
We have to look at these small

3212
02:20:08,863 --> 02:20:09,113
communities that can't afford it

3213
02:20:10,563 --> 02:20:10,813
regionalization is in their

3214
02:20:11,146 --> 02:20:11,396
future

3215
02:20:16,863 --> 02:20:17,113
the other communities regionally

3216
02:20:18,863 --> 02:20:19,113
like southwestokklahoma like

3217
02:20:20,830 --> 02:20:21,080
Fosse Reservoir like northwest

3218
02:20:22,846 --> 02:20:23,096
Oklahoma like the panhandle

3219
02:20:26,396 --> 02:20:26,646
we've got to pull local people

3220
02:20:28,596 --> 02:20:28,846
together stakeholder development

3221
02:20:30,413 --> 02:20:30,663
and let them

3222
02:20:30,696 --> 02:20:30,946
understand

3223
02:20:34,396 --> 02:20:34,646
what their future's gonna look

3224
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:35,330
like and they have to plan that.

3225
02:20:37,080 --> 02:20:37,330
and it works

3226
02:20:40,946 --> 02:20:41,196
So

3227
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:46,880
that's my spiel we have our

3228
02:20:47,263 --> 02:20:47,513
okcaon conference

3229
02:20:52,596 --> 02:20:52,846
coming up October 14th we are

3230
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:54,880
doing this we're having one day

3231
02:20:55,313 --> 02:20:55,563
on community sustainability

3232
02:20:59,113 --> 02:20:59,363
and we're gonna talk about

3233
02:21:00,846 --> 02:21:01,096
affordability rates we're gonna

3234
02:21:01,530 --> 02:21:01,780
we we're expecting about 100

3235
02:21:05,180 --> 02:21:05,430
people to come with the

3236
02:21:06,596 --> 02:21:06,846
department of commerce we're

3237
02:21:08,596 --> 02:21:08,846
gonna specifically talk about

3238
02:21:09,346 --> 02:21:09,596
economic development and water

3239
02:21:10,380 --> 02:21:10,630
and wastewater infrastructure

3240
02:21:14,563 --> 02:21:14,813
on the in the comprehensive

3241
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:16,880
water plan the water board says

3242
02:21:17,313 --> 02:21:17,563
so I don't have to own this

3243
02:21:17,880 --> 02:21:18,130
number

3244
02:21:20,596 --> 02:21:20,846
a billion dollars of investment

3245
02:21:21,230 --> 02:21:21,480
is24,000 jobs

3246
02:21:23,146 --> 02:21:23,396
that's investment in

3247
02:21:23,596 --> 02:21:23,846
infrastructure

3248
02:21:27,313 --> 02:21:27,563
think if we put $10 billion in

3249
02:21:30,346 --> 02:21:30,596
10 years240,000 jobs

3250
02:21:34,880 --> 02:21:35,130
Department of Commerce is coming

3251
02:21:36,346 --> 02:21:36,596
and they're going to help we're

3252
02:21:38,346 --> 02:21:38,596
going to help with a plan and

3253
02:21:39,046 --> 02:21:39,296
help with a policy on how we do

3254
02:21:39,730 --> 02:21:39,980
that

3255
02:21:42,780 --> 02:21:43,030
I don't know exactly how it's

3256
02:21:43,446 --> 02:21:43,696
going to turn out

3257
02:21:46,880 --> 02:21:47,130
but I'm excited to go through

3258
02:21:47,513 --> 02:21:47,763
the process thank you very much

3259
02:21:52,396 --> 02:21:52,646
Any questions

3260
02:21:52,913 --> 02:21:53,163
smith

3261
02:21:56,863 --> 02:21:57,113
thank you very much very very

3262
02:21:58,596 --> 02:21:58,846
informative thank you very much

3263
02:21:59,263 --> 02:21:59,513
for that presentation

3264
02:22:00,580 --> 02:22:00,830
right

3265
02:22:05,063 --> 02:22:05,313
we and this would like to now

3266
02:22:07,080 --> 02:22:07,330
call Mr Kimball to the table to

3267
02:22:07,763 --> 02:22:08,013
present

3268
02:22:10,830 --> 02:22:11,080
so we've talked about

3269
02:22:12,580 --> 02:22:12,830
infrastructure we've talked

3270
02:22:14,413 --> 02:22:14,663
about sustainability

3271
02:22:18,846 --> 02:22:19,096
so let's dream a little bit and

3272
02:22:20,846 --> 02:22:21,096
so I have called Mr Kimblell

3273
02:22:22,863 --> 02:22:23,113
here to help us and we talked

3274
02:22:26,580 --> 02:22:26,830
about water transfer and so I'm

3275
02:22:28,613 --> 02:22:28,863
gonna let him talk about

3276
02:22:30,363 --> 02:22:30,613
that. Did you have some handouts

3277
02:22:31,096 --> 02:22:31,346
that you want to give out or

3278
02:22:31,763 --> 02:22:32,013
anything?

3279
02:22:38,380 --> 02:22:38,630
I'm not quite as sophisticated

3280
02:22:39,130 --> 02:22:39,380
as some of these others what

3281
02:22:42,346 --> 02:22:42,596
what I have is a legal pad and

3282
02:22:44,880 --> 02:22:45,130
an $8 calculator from Office

3283
02:22:46,630 --> 02:22:46,880
Depot. Well you're you recognize

3284
02:22:48,646 --> 02:22:48,896
if we go with that thank you

3285
02:22:50,613 --> 02:22:50,863
very much for being here thank

3286
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:52,880
you so much for inviting me this

3287
02:22:53,296 --> 02:22:53,546
is something that's near and

3288
02:22:54,896 --> 02:22:55,146
dearer to my heart that I've

3289
02:22:55,513 --> 02:22:55,763
been working on for a few years

3290
02:22:58,880 --> 02:22:59,130
I've buttonholed a few of the of

3291
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:03,080
the legislators I am very

3292
02:23:04,630 --> 02:23:04,880
proud member of the Grand River

3293
02:23:06,613 --> 02:23:06,863
Dam Authority Board I've been on

3294
02:23:08,380 --> 02:23:08,630
that board starting my 14enth

3295
02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:11,130
year I do represent the House of

3296
02:23:12,863 --> 02:23:13,113
Representatives on that board

3297
02:23:14,880 --> 02:23:15,130
our board's made up of three

3298
02:23:16,363 --> 02:23:16,613
appointments from the governor's

3299
02:23:17,196 --> 02:23:17,446
office one from the speaker one

3300
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:19,130
from the prote

3301
02:23:22,363 --> 02:23:22,613
one from the cities we sell to

3302
02:23:24,563 --> 02:23:24,813
and one that from the co ops

3303
02:23:25,246 --> 02:23:25,496
that we sell to

3304
02:23:26,913 --> 02:23:27,163
we're on and I was just

3305
02:23:28,613 --> 02:23:28,863
appointed last week for another

3306
02:23:29,446 --> 02:23:29,696
five year term so I'm a glutton

3307
02:23:30,113 --> 02:23:30,363
for punishment

3308
02:23:34,830 --> 02:23:35,080
Grad River Dam Authority from

3309
02:23:36,596 --> 02:23:36,846
from the people in the room here

3310
02:23:39,096 --> 02:23:39,346
is owned 100% by the state of

3311
02:23:42,396 --> 02:23:42,646
Oklahoma we were formed in 1935

3312
02:23:47,146 --> 02:23:47,396
to take care of the new

3313
02:23:50,363 --> 02:23:50,613
reservoir that was built at

3314
02:23:51,080 --> 02:23:51,330
Grove Oklahoma and Pensacola Dam

3315
02:23:54,363 --> 02:23:54,613
our dam is

3316
02:23:56,863 --> 02:23:57,113
mile long

3317
02:24:02,380 --> 02:24:02,630
it didn't it impos uh40,000

3318
02:24:02,930 --> 02:24:03,180
acres of water

3319
02:24:06,630 --> 02:24:06,880
it's66 miles long 140 ft deep

3320
02:24:08,430 --> 02:24:08,680
and 938 miles of shoreline

3321
02:24:12,596 --> 02:24:12,846
and they were talking earlier

3322
02:24:14,596 --> 02:24:14,846
about water transfer water

3323
02:24:15,330 --> 02:24:15,580
transfer is a big pro big

3324
02:24:15,896 --> 02:24:16,146
project

3325
02:24:19,230 --> 02:24:19,480
and if you come to from

3326
02:24:20,913 --> 02:24:21,163
western Oklahoma and say we're

3327
02:24:22,830 --> 02:24:23,080
going to put a a pipe in Grand

3328
02:24:24,396 --> 02:24:24,646
Lake and start pumping water

3329
02:24:24,963 --> 02:24:25,213
west

3330
02:24:28,330 --> 02:24:28,580
or you're gonna hear a lot of a

3331
02:24:28,996 --> 02:24:29,246
lot of people probably start

3332
02:24:29,663 --> 02:24:29,913
hollering

3333
02:24:32,346 --> 02:24:32,596
so it's very difficult to go in

3334
02:24:33,080 --> 02:24:33,330
and say we're going to take

3335
02:24:34,563 --> 02:24:34,813
water from here and take it to

3336
02:24:35,230 --> 02:24:35,480
there

3337
02:24:37,130 --> 02:24:37,380
even if you don't need it where

3338
02:24:37,796 --> 02:24:38,046
it's at

3339
02:24:38,730 --> 02:24:38,980
but

3340
02:24:42,580 --> 02:24:42,830
it's not difficult to take the

3341
02:24:44,413 --> 02:24:44,663
water away from the people in

3342
02:24:45,096 --> 02:24:45,346
New Orleans Louisiana

3343
02:24:48,796 --> 02:24:49,046
Most people don't really

3344
02:24:49,346 --> 02:24:49,596
understand

3345
02:24:53,080 --> 02:24:53,330
the water in Grand

3346
02:24:53,530 --> 02:24:53,780
Lakenyoshoriver

3347
02:24:57,130 --> 02:24:57,380
and when Grand Lake was formed

3348
02:24:58,530 --> 02:24:58,780
the department of Interior gave

3349
02:25:02,363 --> 02:25:02,613
the neosho river forms from the

3350
02:25:03,096 --> 02:25:03,346
sppring river and the

3351
02:25:06,363 --> 02:25:06,613
Neoshoriver coming out of Kansas

3352
02:25:07,046 --> 02:25:07,296
at Twinridges State Park

3353
02:25:12,346 --> 02:25:12,596
GRDA and the state of Oklahoma

3354
02:25:12,996 --> 02:25:13,246
own the water

3355
02:25:16,630 --> 02:25:16,880
from Twinridges State Park

3356
02:25:20,363 --> 02:25:20,613
that goes through Grand Lake

3357
02:25:22,580 --> 02:25:22,830
goes through Lake Hudson goes

3358
02:25:24,563 --> 02:25:24,813
through Lake Fort Gibson we

3359
02:25:26,346 --> 02:25:26,596
don't own Fort Gibson but we do

3360
02:25:26,980 --> 02:25:27,230
own the water in it

3361
02:25:29,230 --> 02:25:29,480
and that water belongs to the

3362
02:25:29,880 --> 02:25:30,130
state of Oklahoma

3363
02:25:32,796 --> 02:25:33,046
until it gets to the Arkansas

3364
02:25:33,480 --> 02:25:33,730
river

3365
02:25:36,930 --> 02:25:37,180
we're not controlled by the

3366
02:25:38,680 --> 02:25:38,930
corps of engineers as most of

3367
02:25:40,596 --> 02:25:40,846
the dams and rivers in the state

3368
02:25:41,280 --> 02:25:41,530
are

3369
02:25:44,846 --> 02:25:45,096
if a city or somebody wants

3370
02:25:46,863 --> 02:25:47,113
water out of our reservoir they

3371
02:25:48,930 --> 02:25:49,180
don't go to the water resources

3372
02:25:50,713 --> 02:25:50,963
board they go to our seven

3373
02:25:51,296 --> 02:25:51,546
member board

3374
02:25:54,413 --> 02:25:54,663
our seven member board sets the

3375
02:25:56,596 --> 02:25:56,846
water rates we dr char we charge

3376
02:25:58,446 --> 02:25:58,696
about $13.5 per 1000 gallons for

3377
02:25:59,113 --> 02:25:59,363
water

3378
02:26:00,730 --> 02:26:00,980
it's pretty

3379
02:26:04,580 --> 02:26:04,830
misunderstood around the lake

3380
02:26:08,946 --> 02:26:09,196
but my concept is not to take

3381
02:26:10,746 --> 02:26:10,996
water out of Grand Lake or Lake

3382
02:26:11,463 --> 02:26:11,713
Hudson or Lake Fort Gibson.

3383
02:26:15,163 --> 02:26:15,413
because the water is owned by

3384
02:26:16,646 --> 02:26:16,896
the state of Oklahoma and GRDA

3385
02:26:20,630 --> 02:26:20,880
it is not a primary source for

3386
02:26:22,363 --> 02:26:22,613
water to be used in the

3387
02:26:24,363 --> 02:26:24,613
navigation channel that's

3388
02:26:24,896 --> 02:26:25,146
controlled by the corps of

3389
02:26:25,463 --> 02:26:25,713
engineers

3390
02:26:28,613 --> 02:26:28,863
when we generate electricity at

3391
02:26:29,330 --> 02:26:29,580
Pensacola Dam at Grand Lake

3392
02:26:32,846 --> 02:26:33,096
our water goes intolake Hudson

3393
02:26:36,930 --> 02:26:37,180
into Lake Fort Gibson into the

3394
02:26:37,613 --> 02:26:37,863
Arkansas river

3395
02:26:38,796 --> 02:26:39,046
to LittleRock

3396
02:26:43,113 --> 02:26:43,363
to the Mississippi river and to

3397
02:26:46,380 --> 02:26:46,630
the Gulf of Mexico it's not used

3398
02:26:48,846 --> 02:26:49,096
for navigation it's not used for

3399
02:26:51,146 --> 02:26:51,396
irrigation it's not used as

3400
02:26:53,080 --> 02:26:53,330
potable water oncece it goes

3401
02:26:54,563 --> 02:26:54,813
through generation it's going to

3402
02:26:55,246 --> 02:26:55,496
New orleans

3403
02:26:58,980 --> 02:26:59,230
and used for absolutely nothing

3404
02:27:02,896 --> 02:27:03,146
when we're generating

3405
02:27:03,363 --> 02:27:03,613
electricity at Pensacola Dam

3406
02:27:07,396 --> 02:27:07,646
we have6 generators and when

3407
02:27:08,946 --> 02:27:09,196
we're generating full generation

3408
02:27:12,630 --> 02:27:12,880
we're releasing 13,500 cubic

3409
02:27:13,230 --> 02:27:13,480
feet of water per second.

3410
02:27:18,430 --> 02:27:18,680
cubic foot of water7.48 gallons

3411
02:27:24,430 --> 02:27:24,680
if we captured 1000 cubic foot a

3412
02:27:25,096 --> 02:27:25,346
second

3413
02:27:28,896 --> 02:27:29,146
of the 1ir5 still sending tw25

3414
02:27:29,580 --> 02:27:29,830
south

3415
02:27:36,396 --> 02:27:36,646
we would be capturing7,480

3416
02:27:36,930 --> 02:27:37,180
gallons of water every second

3417
02:27:41,096 --> 02:27:41,346
448000 gallons of water every

3418
02:27:41,780 --> 02:27:42,030
minute

3419
02:27:48,830 --> 02:27:49,080
646272000 gallons of water

3420
02:27:49,430 --> 02:27:49,680
every24 hours

3421
02:27:54,613 --> 02:27:54,863
that's2.5 times the amount of

3422
02:27:55,363 --> 02:27:55,613
water that the city of Tulsa

3423
02:27:56,030 --> 02:27:56,280
treats everyday

3424
02:27:59,430 --> 02:27:59,680
that's a lot of water

3425
02:28:02,746 --> 02:28:02,996
and that belongs to us at the

3426
02:28:03,413 --> 02:28:03,663
state of Oklahoma

3427
02:28:08,596 --> 02:28:08,846
the moving it west

3428
02:28:09,130 --> 02:28:09,380
is

3429
02:28:10,696 --> 02:28:10,946
difficult

3430
02:28:12,863 --> 02:28:13,113
but not impossible

3431
02:28:16,896 --> 02:28:17,146
right now there's a pipeline or

3432
02:28:18,880 --> 02:28:19,130
may have just recently been

3433
02:28:20,596 --> 02:28:20,846
completed coming from aokka to

3434
02:28:21,413 --> 02:28:21,663
Oklahoma City 98.6 miles

3435
02:28:25,113 --> 02:28:25,363
it's a se2 inch line and that

3436
02:28:27,130 --> 02:28:27,380
line carries just a little over

3437
02:28:29,280 --> 02:28:29,530
100 million gallons of water a

3438
02:28:29,946 --> 02:28:30,196
day

3439
02:28:32,863 --> 02:28:33,113
that water line cost $800

3440
02:28:33,430 --> 02:28:33,680
million

3441
02:28:38,846 --> 02:28:39,096
we would need6 of those lines to

3442
02:28:40,563 --> 02:28:40,813
move the water west

3443
02:28:44,596 --> 02:28:44,846
that we could produce every day

3444
02:28:47,363 --> 02:28:47,613
by capturing 1000 cubic foot a

3445
02:28:48,046 --> 02:28:48,296
second

3446
02:28:52,396 --> 02:28:52,646
and just let your mind wander a

3447
02:28:53,063 --> 02:28:53,313
minute and say well know what

3448
02:28:54,646 --> 02:28:54,896
happens if we'd go down and do

3449
02:28:55,363 --> 02:28:55,613
the same thing below Lake

3450
02:28:55,913 --> 02:28:56,163
Hudson.

3451
02:28:58,363 --> 02:28:58,613
what if we did the same thing

3452
02:29:00,563 --> 02:29:00,813
below the dam at Fort Gibson.

3453
02:29:01,246 --> 02:29:01,496
it's our water

3454
02:29:03,080 --> 02:29:03,330
that would be capturing 3000

3455
02:29:08,346 --> 02:29:08,596
of the 13,500 cubic foot a

3456
02:29:10,846 --> 02:29:11,096
2nd and 2 billion gallons of

3457
02:29:11,530 --> 02:29:11,780
water

3458
02:29:13,263 --> 02:29:13,513
every24 hours.

3459
02:29:18,830 --> 02:29:19,080
that it's not being used for

3460
02:29:20,396 --> 02:29:20,646
anything in the state of

3461
02:29:20,963 --> 02:29:21,213
Oklahoma today

3462
02:29:24,480 --> 02:29:24,730
we would be sending

3463
02:29:26,980 --> 02:29:27,230
200 acre feet

3464
02:29:31,363 --> 02:29:31,613
of water west every day from one

3465
02:29:32,063 --> 02:29:32,313
of our facilities

3466
02:29:40,863 --> 02:29:41,113
Now there's peoples people are a

3467
02:29:42,630 --> 02:29:42,880
little bit questionable about

3468
02:29:44,396 --> 02:29:44,646
some of our our metrics there

3469
02:29:45,163 --> 02:29:45,413
but I promise you the numbers

3470
02:29:46,896 --> 02:29:47,146
are correct. I've worked with

3471
02:29:47,563 --> 02:29:47,813
Burnsmcdonald Engineering

3472
02:29:48,113 --> 02:29:48,363
Company

3473
02:29:50,346 --> 02:29:50,596
and

3474
02:29:50,680 --> 02:29:50,930
said well

3475
02:29:54,346 --> 02:29:54,596
what do you do with the water

3476
02:29:55,030 --> 02:29:55,280
when it gets there you may not

3477
02:29:56,396 --> 02:29:56,646
need it all the time but it's

3478
02:29:57,080 --> 02:29:57,330
real simple

3479
02:30:00,546 --> 02:30:00,796
you use it for irrigation you

3480
02:30:01,196 --> 02:30:01,446
use it for what cities need it

3481
02:30:04,346 --> 02:30:04,596
and what you don't need you

3482
02:30:04,980 --> 02:30:05,230
refill or aquifers

3483
02:30:06,896 --> 02:30:07,146
what a novel idea

3484
02:30:12,546 --> 02:30:12,796
hass anybody done that? yes it's

3485
02:30:13,230 --> 02:30:13,480
being done in Wichita Kansas

3486
02:30:13,896 --> 02:30:14,146
today

3487
02:30:16,363 --> 02:30:16,613
I was in Wichita four years ago

3488
02:30:19,080 --> 02:30:19,330
they take water they just treat

3489
02:30:21,080 --> 02:30:21,330
30 million gallons a day out of

3490
02:30:22,813 --> 02:30:23,063
the littlet Arkansas river. I

3491
02:30:24,580 --> 02:30:24,830
don't know if anybody's ever

3492
02:30:25,280 --> 02:30:25,530
been to the littlettle Arkansas

3493
02:30:25,980 --> 02:30:26,230
River up by Wichita

3494
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:29,130
but that water's about like

3495
02:30:29,430 --> 02:30:29,680
thirtyweight motor oil.

3496
02:30:34,363 --> 02:30:34,613
and it can only flow enough that

3497
02:30:35,063 --> 02:30:35,313
they can only operate their

3498
02:30:36,596 --> 02:30:36,846
facility 9 months out of the

3499
02:30:37,246 --> 02:30:37,496
year

3500
02:30:40,330 --> 02:30:40,580
they take that water and put it

3501
02:30:42,596 --> 02:30:42,846
in set in a settling basin then

3502
02:30:44,596 --> 02:30:44,846
they run it through a filters

3503
02:30:46,613 --> 02:30:46,863
very simple filtration and then

3504
02:30:48,346 --> 02:30:48,596
they run it through ultraviolet

3505
02:30:50,846 --> 02:30:51,096
light to kill the bacteria.alf

3506
02:30:51,530 --> 02:30:51,780
of it goes to

3507
02:30:54,780 --> 02:30:55,030
Wichita to treat for city water

3508
02:30:57,346 --> 02:30:57,596
the other half goes to refill

3509
02:30:58,013 --> 02:30:58,263
aquifers

3510
02:31:02,546 --> 02:31:02,796
one of the aquifers up there I

3511
02:31:03,230 --> 02:31:03,480
just

3512
02:31:04,996 --> 02:31:05,246
got looked at a report

3513
02:31:05,563 --> 02:31:05,813
just the other day

3514
02:31:08,396 --> 02:31:08,646
was500 million

3515
02:31:09,080 --> 02:31:09,330
acre feet

3516
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:14,880
reduced from 1940 until now

3517
02:31:20,363 --> 02:31:20,613
in the last 9 years,2/3 of that

3518
02:31:21,046 --> 02:31:21,296
has been refilled

3519
02:31:21,480 --> 02:31:21,730
2 / 3

3520
02:31:26,346 --> 02:31:26,596
and every aquifer in our state

3521
02:31:27,030 --> 02:31:27,280
today is being

3522
02:31:30,746 --> 02:31:30,996
every one of them

3523
02:31:32,913 --> 02:31:33,163
cities they're using wells

3524
02:31:34,780 --> 02:31:35,030
going dry

3525
02:31:38,896 --> 02:31:39,146
we have the water it's in the

3526
02:31:39,580 --> 02:31:39,830
wrong place

3527
02:31:42,746 --> 02:31:42,996
it can be moved

3528
02:31:44,696 --> 02:31:44,946
you can move

3529
02:31:49,496 --> 02:31:49,746
a lot of water and it's going to

3530
02:31:50,163 --> 02:31:50,413
cost about

3531
02:31:51,163 --> 02:31:51,413
4 to5 billion dollars

3532
02:31:54,646 --> 02:31:54,896
that sounds like a lot of money

3533
02:31:56,580 --> 02:31:56,830
but I promise you

3534
02:31:59,146 --> 02:31:59,396
in just a few years

3535
02:32:02,863 --> 02:32:03,113
that's going to be very very

3536
02:32:03,430 --> 02:32:03,680
inexpensive

3537
02:32:06,863 --> 02:32:07,113
probably not in my lifetime.

3538
02:32:07,530 --> 02:32:07,780
I'm80 years old

3539
02:32:08,730 --> 02:32:08,980
we'll see

3540
02:32:12,546 --> 02:32:12,796
our water more valuable than our

3541
02:32:13,246 --> 02:32:13,496
oil.

3542
02:32:14,446 --> 02:32:14,696
it's coming.

3543
02:32:20,730 --> 02:32:20,980
and we have the water our water

3544
02:32:21,230 --> 02:32:21,480
quality is very very good

3545
02:32:25,080 --> 02:32:25,330
we have our own water quality

3546
02:32:27,230 --> 02:32:27,480
PhD on staff we have a water

3547
02:32:27,896 --> 02:32:28,146
quality lab

3548
02:32:32,363 --> 02:32:32,613
that is second only to DEQs and

3549
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:33,330
three years ago for the first

3550
02:32:36,563 --> 02:32:36,813
time in26 years the nitrogen

3551
02:32:37,230 --> 02:32:37,480
level in Grand Lake started

3552
02:32:37,796 --> 02:32:38,046
decreasing

3553
02:32:40,913 --> 02:32:41,163
and it's decreasing every year

3554
02:32:41,630 --> 02:32:41,880
at the water clarity is getting

3555
02:32:42,296 --> 02:32:42,546
better

3556
02:32:45,130 --> 02:32:45,380
Arkansas river produces a lot of

3557
02:32:46,663 --> 02:32:46,913
water but it's a lot harder to

3558
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:47,530
treat because of the salinity

3559
02:32:51,146 --> 02:32:51,396
our water is very easy to treat.

3560
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:52,080
it's very clean water

3561
02:32:56,396 --> 02:32:56,646
the the water is

3562
02:33:00,363 --> 02:33:00,613
more than anything is ours

3563
02:33:00,930 --> 02:33:01,180
without

3564
02:33:03,430 --> 02:33:03,680
the core of engineer inference

3565
02:33:04,813 --> 02:33:05,063
that we have at the rest of our

3566
02:33:05,496 --> 02:33:05,746
reservoirs

3567
02:33:06,796 --> 02:33:07,046
the

3568
02:33:10,580 --> 02:33:10,830
the value

3569
02:33:12,563 --> 02:33:12,813
of that water

3570
02:33:16,580 --> 02:33:16,830
will be noticed real quickly by

3571
02:33:18,380 --> 02:33:18,630
somebody we'll see private

3572
02:33:19,096 --> 02:33:19,346
enterprise come in and try to

3573
02:33:19,763 --> 02:33:20,013
get our water

3574
02:33:22,680 --> 02:33:22,930
I beg you to keep that water

3575
02:33:25,280 --> 02:33:25,530
for our children and

3576
02:33:26,880 --> 02:33:27,130
grandchildren's future in

3577
02:33:27,396 --> 02:33:27,646
economic development in this

3578
02:33:28,063 --> 02:33:28,313
state

3579
02:33:32,580 --> 02:33:32,830
our biggest natural resource

3580
02:33:33,230 --> 02:33:33,480
was oil

3581
02:33:38,830 --> 02:33:39,080
we have some income from oil but

3582
02:33:40,813 --> 02:33:41,063
our jobs went back south they

3583
02:33:41,496 --> 02:33:41,746
went to Texas

3584
02:33:45,396 --> 02:33:45,646
with our water moving around the

3585
02:33:46,046 --> 02:33:46,296
state where it's needed

3586
02:33:50,346 --> 02:33:50,596
we can produce jobs for our

3587
02:33:52,346 --> 02:33:52,596
children and grandchildren that

3588
02:33:53,080 --> 02:33:53,330
are just not even really thought

3589
02:33:53,746 --> 02:33:53,996
of today

3590
02:33:56,846 --> 02:33:57,096
when you think of of things you

3591
02:33:58,596 --> 02:33:58,846
have water we've ur heard

3592
02:33:59,146 --> 02:33:59,396
earlier today about the data

3593
02:33:59,813 --> 02:34:00,063
centers

3594
02:34:03,163 --> 02:34:03,413
we have the second largest data

3595
02:34:04,580 --> 02:34:04,830
center in the world Prior

3596
02:34:05,146 --> 02:34:05,396
Oklahoma

3597
02:34:06,780 --> 02:34:07,030
and we supply the water it's not

3598
02:34:07,480 --> 02:34:07,730
a problem

3599
02:34:12,363 --> 02:34:12,613
google is a very good customer

3600
02:34:13,163 --> 02:34:13,413
of ours but they do use a lot of

3601
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:14,080
water

3602
02:34:16,663 --> 02:34:16,913
but when you look at the

3603
02:34:17,213 --> 02:34:17,463
industry

3604
02:34:20,596 --> 02:34:20,846
silicone chips use a lot of

3605
02:34:22,396 --> 02:34:22,646
water to make too and they

3606
02:34:22,980 --> 02:34:23,230
produce really good jobs

3607
02:34:26,363 --> 02:34:26,613
but you can't go to Dallas and

3608
02:34:26,980 --> 02:34:27,230
Fort Worth and make silicon

3609
02:34:28,580 --> 02:34:28,830
chips today because they don't

3610
02:34:29,263 --> 02:34:29,513
have any water for you

3611
02:34:31,096 --> 02:34:31,346
they've got incentive money

3612
02:34:32,963 --> 02:34:33,213
they can write you a big check

3613
02:34:36,646 --> 02:34:36,896
but if you tell them you need200

3614
02:34:37,363 --> 02:34:37,613
million gallons of water a day

3615
02:34:38,046 --> 02:34:38,296
they'll sell byebye

3616
02:34:38,680 --> 02:34:38,930
they don't have it

3617
02:34:46,363 --> 02:34:46,613
My presentation is not fancy

3618
02:34:46,930 --> 02:34:47,180
it's not a lot of charts

3619
02:34:50,780 --> 02:34:51,030
it's just bare facts we have the

3620
02:34:51,446 --> 02:34:51,696
water

3621
02:34:53,163 --> 02:34:53,413
it's in the wrong place

3622
02:34:57,030 --> 02:34:57,280
in today's dollars it's very

3623
02:34:57,596 --> 02:34:57,846
costly to move it

3624
02:34:58,746 --> 02:34:58,996
how

3625
02:35:02,846 --> 02:35:03,096
it's going to be very

3626
02:35:04,680 --> 02:35:04,930
inexpensive in the years to come

3627
02:35:05,346 --> 02:35:05,596
particularly

3628
02:35:08,963 --> 02:35:09,213
when you look at the jobs that

3629
02:35:09,630 --> 02:35:09,880
it can produce

3630
02:35:12,563 --> 02:35:12,813
just imagine what could be done

3631
02:35:13,230 --> 02:35:13,480
at Burn's flat

3632
02:35:14,830 --> 02:35:15,080
just imagine

3633
02:35:18,863 --> 02:35:19,113
you know the one thing the the

3634
02:35:19,530 --> 02:35:19,780
marijuana people taught us

3635
02:35:22,346 --> 02:35:22,596
is how much we can do with drip

3636
02:35:23,030 --> 02:35:23,280
irrigation

3637
02:35:24,896 --> 02:35:25,146
it's about the only good thing

3638
02:35:25,563 --> 02:35:25,813
they did but

3639
02:35:30,513 --> 02:35:30,763
get political there a minute

3640
02:35:33,146 --> 02:35:33,396
but with drip irrigation

3641
02:35:39,096 --> 02:35:39,346
we can we can raise crops that

3642
02:35:41,163 --> 02:35:41,413
you don't even think about today

3643
02:35:42,896 --> 02:35:43,146
they're closing lettuce fields

3644
02:35:43,580 --> 02:35:43,830
in California because they have

3645
02:35:44,263 --> 02:35:44,513
no water

3646
02:35:46,896 --> 02:35:47,146
you see what they're doing with

3647
02:35:47,563 --> 02:35:47,813
the Colorado river today

3648
02:35:49,346 --> 02:35:49,596
Phoenix just canceled

3649
02:35:54,846 --> 02:35:55,096
a60 home development because

3650
02:35:55,480 --> 02:35:55,730
they could not get water permit

3651
02:36:00,896 --> 02:36:01,146
they have the jobs they have the

3652
02:36:02,646 --> 02:36:02,896
people needing the housing but

3653
02:36:03,330 --> 02:36:03,580
they can't build the housing

3654
02:36:03,996 --> 02:36:04,246
because they don't have the

3655
02:36:04,546 --> 02:36:04,796
water

3656
02:36:06,663 --> 02:36:06,913
we have the water now it's time

3657
02:36:07,330 --> 02:36:07,580
to get the jobs

3658
02:36:08,913 --> 02:36:09,163
we can build the houses

3659
02:36:12,880 --> 02:36:13,130
we can do everything we need

3660
02:36:14,863 --> 02:36:15,113
with the water that we own in

3661
02:36:17,130 --> 02:36:17,380
the state of Oklahoma that's

3662
02:36:19,030 --> 02:36:19,280
literally been overlooked for a

3663
02:36:19,730 --> 02:36:19,980
few years

3664
02:36:23,113 --> 02:36:23,363
I'll be happy to answer any

3665
02:36:23,763 --> 02:36:24,013
questions

3666
02:36:28,796 --> 02:36:29,046
we have we just have a great

3667
02:36:29,463 --> 02:36:29,713
resource that

3668
02:36:32,646 --> 02:36:32,896
that I hope you all will take a

3669
02:36:33,330 --> 02:36:33,580
closer look at

3670
02:36:36,580 --> 02:36:36,830
keep it in the hands of the

3671
02:36:38,846 --> 02:36:39,096
state of Oklahoma let the state

3672
02:36:41,063 --> 02:36:41,313
of Oklahoma prospers and not

3673
02:36:42,563 --> 02:36:42,813
private enterprise off of our

3674
02:36:43,246 --> 02:36:43,496
natural resource

3675
02:36:46,346 --> 02:36:46,596
and give our children and

3676
02:36:46,930 --> 02:36:47,180
grandchildren a chance

3677
02:36:47,430 --> 02:36:47,680
to have

3678
02:36:52,346 --> 02:36:52,596
a great place to come back to

3679
02:36:52,930 --> 02:36:53,180
after school and live

3680
02:36:56,580 --> 02:36:56,830
and let those those boys and

3681
02:36:57,330 --> 02:36:57,580
girls wearing those blue FFfa

3682
02:36:58,696 --> 02:36:58,946
jackets let them have a future

3683
02:37:01,463 --> 02:37:01,713
where they grew up in

3684
02:37:01,896 --> 02:37:02,146
westernokklahoma

3685
02:37:08,596 --> 02:37:08,846
we can feed if you go to go to

3686
02:37:11,130 --> 02:37:11,380
a bottle of water that we we

3687
02:37:13,063 --> 02:37:13,313
sell for a a bucket quick trip

3688
02:37:17,096 --> 02:37:17,346
you buy a case it's cents a

3689
02:37:17,680 --> 02:37:17,930
bottle at Walmart

3690
02:37:21,113 --> 02:37:21,363
that same bottle at Walmart in

3691
02:37:22,880 --> 02:37:23,130
California is about42 cents

3692
02:37:30,346 --> 02:37:30,596
So I'll be more than happy to

3693
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:31,280
answer any questions

3694
02:37:34,996 --> 02:37:35,246
Any questions

3695
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:36,880
So

3696
02:37:38,446 --> 02:37:38,696
I have a question

3697
02:37:42,363 --> 02:37:42,613
so how much do you say it would

3698
02:37:44,630 --> 02:37:44,880
cost to put a what size

3699
02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:47,130
pipeline basically a76 inch

3700
02:37:49,096 --> 02:37:49,346
the atoka pipeline72 inches

3701
02:37:50,846 --> 02:37:51,096
about as large as you'd want to

3702
02:37:52,363 --> 02:37:52,613
build and that's what the atoka

3703
02:37:56,396 --> 02:37:56,646
pipeline is. it runs 98.6 miles

3704
02:37:58,896 --> 02:37:59,146
from aokk at Oklahoma City to to

3705
02:38:00,646 --> 02:38:00,896
the lake here to get to

3706
02:38:06,996 --> 02:38:07,246
Fairview or Comanche you're

3707
02:38:08,980 --> 02:38:09,230
gonna it's going to be about 190

3708
02:38:09,730 --> 02:38:09,980
miles from Pensacola so

3709
02:38:13,113 --> 02:38:13,363
you're looking at probably if

3710
02:38:15,113 --> 02:38:15,363
it was 800 million for 100 miles

3711
02:38:16,630 --> 02:38:16,880
today it'll probably be a

3712
02:38:17,380 --> 02:38:17,630
billion for hund0 miles so

3713
02:38:18,630 --> 02:38:18,880
you're looking at2 billion

3714
02:38:19,196 --> 02:38:19,446
dollars probably

3715
02:38:20,646 --> 02:38:20,896
to build that pipeline

3716
02:38:24,830 --> 02:38:25,080
and they follow

3717
02:38:28,830 --> 02:38:29,080
so they could and that would be

3718
02:38:30,813 --> 02:38:31,063
able to you'd have to do some

3719
02:38:32,846 --> 02:38:33,096
filtration to inject that down

3720
02:38:34,380 --> 02:38:34,630
into the aquifers is that

3721
02:38:34,946 --> 02:38:35,196
correct or can it go straight

3722
02:38:35,613 --> 02:38:35,863
into there?

3723
02:38:38,880 --> 02:38:39,130
you can put it into the aquifers

3724
02:38:41,063 --> 02:38:41,313
with either sediment aquifer

3725
02:38:42,580 --> 02:38:42,830
there's a lot of different

3726
02:38:43,113 --> 02:38:43,363
aquifers and there's a lot of

3727
02:38:44,846 --> 02:38:45,096
smarter people in the room on

3728
02:38:46,580 --> 02:38:46,830
that there's there's different

3729
02:38:47,313 --> 02:38:47,563
types of aquifers some are

3730
02:38:49,096 --> 02:38:49,346
easier to recharge than others

3731
02:38:52,363 --> 02:38:52,613
some can be done with just

3732
02:38:54,363 --> 02:38:54,613
settlement basing some has done

3733
02:38:55,113 --> 02:38:55,363
with the low powered injection

3734
02:38:55,780 --> 02:38:56,030
wells

3735
02:39:00,330 --> 02:39:00,580
but there again the technology

3736
02:39:01,013 --> 02:39:01,263
is there they're already doing

3737
02:39:01,680 --> 02:39:01,930
it

3738
02:39:04,863 --> 02:39:05,113
and any time you have excess

3739
02:39:05,546 --> 02:39:05,796
water in that pipeline

3740
02:39:09,480 --> 02:39:09,730
24 hours a day just keep filling

3741
02:39:10,146 --> 02:39:10,396
the aquifers

3742
02:39:13,113 --> 02:39:13,363
one of the big issues on any

3743
02:39:14,580 --> 02:39:14,830
pipeline is right away

3744
02:39:19,096 --> 02:39:19,346
GRDA happens to have high

3745
02:39:21,080 --> 02:39:21,330
lines in75 or77 counties some of

3746
02:39:24,346 --> 02:39:24,596
our some of our right away you

3747
02:39:25,013 --> 02:39:25,263
can use for pipelines some you

3748
02:39:25,680 --> 02:39:25,930
can't

3749
02:39:29,113 --> 02:39:29,363
but if I go out to western

3750
02:39:30,913 --> 02:39:31,163
western Oklahoma and tell a

3751
02:39:31,463 --> 02:39:31,713
farmer I'm gonna run a big high

3752
02:39:36,346 --> 02:39:36,596
300 ft tall transmission line

3753
02:39:38,630 --> 02:39:38,880
across his farm and it's going

3754
02:39:40,580 --> 02:39:40,830
to pop and crackle and snap and

3755
02:39:42,396 --> 02:39:42,646
scare your cows he's gonna

3756
02:39:43,063 --> 02:39:43,313
probably lawyer up and be ugly

3757
02:39:43,746 --> 02:39:43,996
with us

3758
02:39:46,880 --> 02:39:47,130
If I go tell him I'm gonna run a

3759
02:39:49,113 --> 02:39:49,363
a pipeline across the the corner

3760
02:39:52,346 --> 02:39:52,596
of his property and his cows can

3761
02:39:53,096 --> 02:39:53,346
still graze on it you can bale

3762
02:39:54,863 --> 02:39:55,113
the hay on top of it. you're

3763
02:39:56,380 --> 02:39:56,630
going to see a vent pipe every

3764
02:39:58,363 --> 02:39:58,613
mile or two

3765
02:40:00,830 --> 02:40:01,080
and we're gonna put up a meter

3766
02:40:02,596 --> 02:40:02,846
on that and all you got to do is

3767
02:40:03,313 --> 02:40:03,563
call this number and we'll

3768
02:40:04,646 --> 02:40:04,896
remotely turn that meter on you

3769
02:40:06,546 --> 02:40:06,796
you can water your

3770
02:40:10,346 --> 02:40:10,596
your cows you can fill your farm

3771
02:40:11,046 --> 02:40:11,296
ponds or you can irrigate

3772
02:40:12,930 --> 02:40:13,180
he's gonna probably hug me

3773
02:40:20,563 --> 02:40:20,813
I have a question what is the

3774
02:40:23,080 --> 02:40:23,330
elevation at the Grandriverd Dam

3775
02:40:23,763 --> 02:40:24,013
with this water is

3776
02:40:27,146 --> 02:40:27,396
what's the elevation? OK at the

3777
02:40:29,046 --> 02:40:29,296
bottom of the dam the elevation

3778
02:40:31,096 --> 02:40:31,346
is right at600 feet above sea

3779
02:40:34,863 --> 02:40:35,113
level. The increase in elevation

3780
02:40:37,063 --> 02:40:37,313
from pensacola Dam to westford

3781
02:40:38,630 --> 02:40:38,880
Oklahoma is almost the same

3782
02:40:42,330 --> 02:40:42,580
difference in elevation from a

3783
02:40:44,330 --> 02:40:44,580
toka to Oklahoma City it's very

3784
02:40:46,363 --> 02:40:46,613
close it's about 350 ft

3785
02:40:46,930 --> 02:40:47,180
depending on

3786
02:40:47,346 --> 02:40:47,596
where you go with it

3787
02:40:51,013 --> 02:40:51,263
that's where I was going with

3788
02:40:52,796 --> 02:40:53,046
that what would the elevation be

3789
02:40:54,813 --> 02:40:55,063
to like uhpresentative Duton's

3790
02:40:57,063 --> 02:40:57,313
area are you 1500 ft or do you

3791
02:40:58,330 --> 02:40:58,580
know what your elevation is?

3792
02:41:02,346 --> 02:41:02,596
that that's my question is

3793
02:41:05,130 --> 02:41:05,380
pumping water uphill is very

3794
02:41:07,113 --> 02:41:07,363
difficult have you looked into

3795
02:41:08,613 --> 02:41:08,863
the engineering on that what it

3796
02:41:10,696 --> 02:41:10,946
would take to pump 1000 ft

3797
02:41:11,263 --> 02:41:11,513
uphill

3798
02:41:16,330 --> 02:41:16,580
the pumping water is very

3799
02:41:18,330 --> 02:41:18,580
difficult. there's a lot of

3800
02:41:19,246 --> 02:41:19,496
better technology today they've

3801
02:41:20,830 --> 02:41:21,080
done some excellent technology

3802
02:41:21,463 --> 02:41:21,713
on the atoka pipeline

3803
02:41:26,613 --> 02:41:26,863
the one thing about we're

3804
02:41:27,180 --> 02:41:27,430
in the electric business

3805
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:31,530
and so we we have the electric

3806
02:41:34,596 --> 02:41:34,846
lines in75 or se77 counties so

3807
02:41:36,346 --> 02:41:36,596
it's the electricity that we

3808
02:41:36,996 --> 02:41:37,246
generate could be used for part

3809
02:41:37,663 --> 02:41:37,913
of it

3810
02:41:40,596 --> 02:41:40,846
the way it works with FERCederal

3811
02:41:42,346 --> 02:41:42,596
Energyregulatory Commission if

3812
02:41:44,346 --> 02:41:44,596
there's any any high line any

3813
02:41:48,830 --> 02:41:49,080
any real water district lines

3814
02:41:51,080 --> 02:41:51,330
anything close to it they have

3815
02:41:52,796 --> 02:41:53,046
to let us run our electricity

3816
02:41:54,613 --> 02:41:54,863
over that line and FERC sets the

3817
02:41:56,363 --> 02:41:56,613
tariff on that as to how much we

3818
02:41:58,580 --> 02:41:58,830
pay for doing it lus we could do

3819
02:42:00,846 --> 02:42:01,096
we could utilize the technology

3820
02:42:04,346 --> 02:42:04,596
on some solar panels to to

3821
02:42:04,896 --> 02:42:05,146
operate some of the pumps

3822
02:42:08,563 --> 02:42:08,813
there's a a mixture of

3823
02:42:09,113 --> 02:42:09,363
answers there

3824
02:42:12,330 --> 02:42:12,580
depends on the geography more

3825
02:42:12,996 --> 02:42:13,246
than anything

3826
02:42:19,046 --> 02:42:19,296
you but the answer is we can get

3827
02:42:19,713 --> 02:42:19,963
the water west

3828
02:42:22,630 --> 02:42:22,880
and the other answer is we do

3829
02:42:23,330 --> 02:42:23,580
have the water

3830
02:42:27,180 --> 02:42:27,430
thank you Mr Kimblell any other

3831
02:42:27,863 --> 02:42:28,113
questions?

3832
02:42:30,380 --> 02:42:30,630
OK

3833
02:42:32,546 --> 02:42:32,796
so summarizing

3834
02:42:34,863 --> 02:42:35,113
water is essential

3835
02:42:36,863 --> 02:42:37,113
we have a need

3836
02:42:40,630 --> 02:42:40,880
waterter's crucial to our future

3837
02:42:44,863 --> 02:42:45,113
and a last part I've asked Mr

3838
02:42:46,596 --> 02:42:46,846
Kimball to give us another

3839
02:42:48,830 --> 02:42:49,080
possibility to dream. what can

3840
02:42:52,346 --> 02:42:52,596
we do to help solve a problem

3841
02:42:55,313 --> 02:42:55,563
here and so I appreciate all the

3842
02:42:57,130 --> 02:42:57,380
presenters. thank you very much

3843
02:42:59,113 --> 02:42:59,363
for the information. I think it

3844
02:43:00,863 --> 02:43:01,113
was very informative. I thank

3845
02:43:02,613 --> 02:43:02,863
you for all the members

3846
02:43:05,130 --> 02:43:05,380
attending and with that I'll

3847
02:43:06,646 --> 02:43:06,896
turn back over to the chairman.

3848
02:43:07,380 --> 02:43:07,630
Miss chairirman thank you very

3849
02:43:08,563 --> 02:43:08,813
much for allowing us to have

3850
02:43:09,230 --> 02:43:09,480
this study

3851
02:43:13,096 --> 02:43:13,346
that concludes interim study for

3852
02:43:14,613 --> 02:43:14,863
today we're all dismissed thank