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Bob Evans mashed potatoes so you

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don't have to make them to make

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they're pretty good. I think

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they sell them the wrongs

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I think the you call I call

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first to make sure they have

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some pretty girl over there

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but that way you could at least

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go ahead and have your mashed

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potatoes

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you can get all of that at ro's

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too you don't have to go I want

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sorry about that senatorice umlm

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the we're a little bit less

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formal with our interim studies

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than we are with regular

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senate meetings but the

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interim study2026-72 will now

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come to order and the way

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we're going to run it as

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Senatorice will call her

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presenters and if there's any

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place that when you're

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ready for questions or the

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ers need to be ready for

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questions that's fine

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if we need to take a brief

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recess or anything like that

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because we're having some

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technological difficulties and

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we'll address those as they

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arise so without further ado

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Senatorice ma'am the floor is

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yours

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thank you Mr chairir and our

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members of the committee I know

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we will be expecting at least

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one or a couple more. thank you

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for the opportunity to present

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the centrum study and thank you

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for those attending today's

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interim study online and in

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those in attendance that are

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watching in special gratitude

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topresentative Ellen Heffner

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for being here with me on this

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afternoon. I would also like to

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acknowledge the Oklahoma

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animalimal coal

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ition for organizing today's

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discussion and bringing together

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experts from across the state

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and the nation. Oklahoma is

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currently the only state in the

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country with a mandatory pound

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seizure statute that was enacted

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in 1957.

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and this law allows research

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institutions to compel municipal

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shelters to surrender unclaimed

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dogs and cats for research

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unless a local opt out ordinance

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is in place and as you will hear

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today this practice has not been

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used in many years and federal

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policy has shifted decisively

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away from random source animal

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acquisition and modern research

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increasingly relies on human

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relevant methods our go

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al this afternoon is

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straightforward to examine

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whether this statute still

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serves a practical purpose to

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understand its impact on

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shelters and to evaluate whether

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Oklahoma should consider repeal

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or modernization. I appreciate

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the committee's attention to

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this issue and I look forward to

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the perspectives that our

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presenters will share and we do

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have a quite a few presenters

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with us today and all of them

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have expertise on this topic

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expertise than I do so I'm very

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grateful that they are with us

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so we will hear more about pound

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seizure and overview of the

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practice and history of pound

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seizure within our state

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licensing of institutions to

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procure live dogs and cats from

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municipal animal shelters pound

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seizure and its effect on urban

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municipal animal shelters and

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regional and national

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perspective regarding animal

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research and random source

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testing in a case study Freedom

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s to address pound seizures in

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Oklahoma and we welcome all

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questions from our committee

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members and I will follow up

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with questions as well so we

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will go with the order of

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the agenda we have on the agenda

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a presenter who is not present

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with us today but we will

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continue with the conversation

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so we will begin with Shannon

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Keith Esquire for president and

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founder of the beaglereedom

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Project following her after

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questions we'll have Ccynthia

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Armstrong, the Oklahoma state

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director of humane world for

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animalimals and following that

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we will have Tina Gunter Esquire

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council director of Oklahoma

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department of agriculture Food

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sherrieerrier the director of

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Tulsa Animal Services Lindsay

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Sofi she's the head of programs

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for rise for animalimals and we

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beaglereedom Project so very

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grateful that all of those are

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and look forward to this great

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ion so without further ado I

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welcome comments about what

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is a pound seizure from Miss

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Shannon Keith.

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right oh here I am

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thank you so much thank you for

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having us I'm Shannon Keith.

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I'm an animal rights attorney

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and president and founder

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ofeagle Freedom Project we're a

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nonprofit501c3 animal

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advocacygan organization and we

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specialize in rescuing

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rehabilitating and rehoming

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animals used in animal research

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we have a facility in Nowata,

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testing facility there and we

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took custody of all of the

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animals there and we now have a

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facility that is a sanctuary and

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beautiful facility of 30 acres

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where we have animals that are

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victims of animal testing.

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I'm gonna make this quick

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about pound seizure what it is

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the statistics the research

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what we found out what we do

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a video that we made over the

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years we've been around

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since2010 and we've done a lot

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over4,500 animals from animal

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testing and a lot of those

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these animals these dogs and

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cats were in the pound and we

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they were somebody's family

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and they were stray however they

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another our organization was

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able to rescue some of them but

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they were just a drop in the

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there are many more that didn't

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rescued so this video shows

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the story of two lucky survivors

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that we had the opportunity to

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rescue and shows you a little

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bit in depth of what their

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rescue stories were like and how

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meaningful it is to rescue these

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survivors and how important it

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is to stop this practice

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so here's a little bit about us

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and their stories

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this is nutmeg. she is the

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sweetest lovable cuddly little

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o a does her dance parties and

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they're a little pair

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nutmegs so sweet and lovable but

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like horrible things to her.

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utmeg came from a lab

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get dogs from the pound.

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loved dogs my whole life but I'd

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never like heard of that to be

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happy in America people in our

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country would even think that

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that's something acceptable

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this is max. he was a pound

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seizure. he's got a lot of

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incisions they have a lab they

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were surgically implanting

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what he was going through

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underweight she was

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caged pretty much24/7 but also

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some sort of medications and

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made her very susceptible to

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tumors.

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and she needed a few surgeries

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the dogs to tests on were

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violating that trust.

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manipulation that we're you

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violating that relationship and

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violating just the trust that's

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always been there between dogs

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then and only child I sometimes

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get lonely cause like I want to

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play with someone but like

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nutmeg cheese almost like she's

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like my really best friend

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for me as her dad to like know

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that she has such a sweet just

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such a sweet soul in there too

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and like the bond that they've

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grown it's almost like to the

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level of siblings like they're

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they're inseparable.

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that bond between a dog and its

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family and a dog and its owner

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and a dog and its person

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something that's unbreakable for

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you know something that's really

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really special thing

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we have a lot of neighbors that

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are out in the morning when

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we're going on our walk and he

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well he will say hi to them.

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they'll kind of he knows the

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houses and he'll pull off to the

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side and he'll want to greet

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them

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he just wants to show love.

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that's her little sister it's

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it's our baby it's our member of

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our family so when you're making

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laws to think about that

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they deserve to run around the

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yard playing with the ball

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rolling onto their back getting

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belly scratches we need to give

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all of these dogs a chance to

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love us and to receive that

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love.

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it's what type of society do we

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want to be in this country? do

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we want to be one that cast

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aside animals we can give them

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over to labs for testing or do

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we want to aspire to be better

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and think about them as members

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of people's families babies

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siblings

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that's the whole point of what

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our laws should aspire to be a

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better society and it's a better

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country as a whole

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M Armstrong if you'll just

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pushed your button to

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where your red light on your

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microphone lights up then we'll

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be able to hear you and if you

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don't mind just introduce

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yourself again please Yes I will

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thank you so much

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so my name iscynthia

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Armstrong

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I'm the Oklahoma state director

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for humanmane world for

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animalimals. I have worked in

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that position for the last

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couple of decades

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in Oklahoma and it has been

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my privilege to work with many

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state and local policymakers

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as well as provide trainings for

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our law enforcement agencies

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across Oklahoma in the

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investigation of crimes of

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animal cruelty

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and I have also had the very

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distinct pleasure of working

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with many of our municipal

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animal shelters and humane

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organizations

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across the state and they do

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really frontline life saving

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work so

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that has been my privilege. they

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work hard to make sure that

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animals like nutmeg make it out

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of these shelters and into

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loving homes

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Now I am going to advance my own

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slides if I can

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figure this out

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that work

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Oh here we go

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OK

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So in my presentation what I

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really want to cover is what

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is pound seizure how did that

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begin and and gain traction in

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the United States

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what are the key dates that

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we want to know in the evolution

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of the practice of pound seizure

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what does that look like

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nationally

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which states prohibit it which

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states

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have no

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opinion on it at all or at least

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no statute and then which states

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mandate it and of course that is

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the state of Oklahoma the only

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state that still mandates the

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practice.

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we'll talk specifically about

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the history of pound seizure in

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Oklahoma

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and issues with the practice why

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is it considered controversial

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is it still needed given the

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scientific advancements in the

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field of animal research and and

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human research

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and then where do we go from

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here? what are our options

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and and recommendations

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so pound seizure really gained a

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lot of traction in the United

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States in the fort0s and50s.

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in these pan seizure laws

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started being enacted state by

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state. uhokklahoma's was enacted

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in 1951

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and during the fortiess and

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fiftiess postorld WarI there was

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a resurgence of a lot of

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interest

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in biomedical and pharmaceutical

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research and also commercial

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product development which would

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involve testing of animals

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and they determined rightly or

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wrongly that there was a

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plentiful supply of animals to

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be testing subjects

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in the shelters around the

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United States so they went state

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by state and lobbied to mandate

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pan seizure in a number of

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states

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it

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obviously

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it involves

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research institutions or

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middlemen calledlass B dealers

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coming to a shelter and

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demanding the unclaimed pets

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for use in research

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experimentation or testing or

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education

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So these key dates really relate

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to

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the random sourcela B dealer and

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as soon as the pound seizure

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statutes were enacted

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the random sourcelassy dealer

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came into being

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these

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people were problematic from the

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very beginning they even

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though they were licensed by the

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United States Department of

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Agriculture and they were

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regulated and subject to

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enforcement

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and they were chronic compliance

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problems for USDA they had a

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lot of animal welfare violations

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of the federal animalimal

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welfare Act which the USDA is

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charged with enforcing

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and they

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caused a lot of problems so much

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so that there was a

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great amount of public outcry

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against the practice and

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the national institute of Health

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at the request of Congress asked

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the national academies of

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Sciences to conduct a study and

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talk about do we really need

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these random source animals are

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they really significantly

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valuable to the research

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community and as you can see

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from the dates

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from2009 when the study began on

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this topic through2023 we

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went from not providing NIH

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grant funding for people who use

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random source animals all the

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way to permanently preventing

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the USDA from issuing

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licenses to this kind of dealer.

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so there are not currently any

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class random source class B

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dealers at this time

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there was

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a very infamous lapy dealer

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in Oklahoma that was one of the

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last to lose his license and his

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name was henry Lee Cooper he

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operated C andC kennels out of

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Waoka

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he was a problematic fellow he

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had several enforcement actions

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against him by the USDA in2007

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USDA filed an official complaint

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against him

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and I want to be precise about

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this so I'll read what that

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animal welfare actct violation

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was within the USDA complaint

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and they found that he had at

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his kennel dogs in danger of

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injury from structurally unsound

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cages inadequate pest

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prevention, dirty water

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containers, failure to maintain

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an adequate veterinary care

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program dogs in needed of

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veterinary care

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keeping of unidentified animals

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animals acquired from

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unidentified sources excess

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animal waste in cages, dogs kept

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without access to shelter and he

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was cited for creating false

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acquisition records

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so

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you can see and he he was one of

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many that that had these types

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of problems in2008 they

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suspended his license and

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then

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they got rid of the po the

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random source altogether

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So pound seizure in the US as

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we stand now

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we have 18 states that have laws

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that ban it outright

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and we have other states that

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allow it but don't require it

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and there's still may be

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ordinances that ban the practice

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in certain municipalities and

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then as you'll see on the map

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some states don't weigh in on

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the the issue at all

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so

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the light blue states are the

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ones that have banned it the

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darkk green still allow it and

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but don't mandate it and then of

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course Oklahoma there in the

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middle it's still required

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OK oh all right

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so pound seizure in Oklahoma did

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did everybody get a chance to

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look at the map and

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yeah

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I don't know why I'm looking

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behind me I have this very good

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ok so there's the map

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and again the light blue

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are the states that have banned

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the practice of pan seizure

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altogether. The green states

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allow it but don't mandate it

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and then the remaining state

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that still requires it or

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mandates it is Oklahoma

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OK and so a little bit of the

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history of pound seizure in

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Oklahoma our statute was passed

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in 1951

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and

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it requires that the shelter

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must provide unclaimed

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pets

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if if a research institution or

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a hotel biology supply

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concern wants the animals

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it stipulates that dogs must

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be held at least 15 days without

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a license and 30 days with a

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license. I would note that there

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are quite a few

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animal shelters in Oklahoma that

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don't

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do licensing of their pets

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within their municipality so

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waiting an extra 1f days for

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a dog with a license you

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probably wouldn't run into that

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too often. there's no

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specified holding period for

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cats

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fortunately in 1997 the law

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was amended to allow

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municipalities to opt out and

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not participate in this demand

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requirement

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and and several have

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it's interesting I

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I started working at the capitol

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on animal issues in2005.

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and I'm monitoring

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legislation2008 comes along

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and I see a bill and it is

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trying to expand our already

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kind of archaic

593
00:24:41,925 --> 00:24:42,175
pound seizure statute and I'm

594
00:24:43,659 --> 00:24:43,909
thinking what is that about what

595
00:24:45,459 --> 00:24:45,709
who's doing that who's

596
00:24:45,992 --> 00:24:46,242
requesting that bill

597
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:48,409
and so I did a little research

598
00:24:50,125 --> 00:24:50,375
and found out that the

599
00:24:51,892 --> 00:24:52,142
individual requesting the bill

600
00:24:53,659 --> 00:24:53,909
was from out of state.

601
00:24:56,192 --> 00:24:56,442
He was from California. he was a

602
00:24:56,859 --> 00:24:57,109
man named Michael Sergent

603
00:24:59,892 --> 00:25:00,142
of Sergent's wholesal

604
00:25:03,425 --> 00:25:03,675
Biologicals and he had just

605
00:25:07,392 --> 00:25:07,642
gotten in trouble in Tulare

606
00:25:09,892 --> 00:25:10,142
County, California for bribing

607
00:25:10,525 --> 00:25:10,775
animal shelter employees to

608
00:25:11,092 --> 00:25:11,342
conduct

609
00:25:15,392 --> 00:25:15,642
mesh euthanasias so that he

610
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:16,409
would have more carcasses to

611
00:25:17,892 --> 00:25:18,142
sell for his biological supply

612
00:25:19,459 --> 00:25:19,709
company. He

613
00:25:22,325 --> 00:25:22,575
it was widely covered in the

614
00:25:22,892 --> 00:25:23,142
press

615
00:25:28,092 --> 00:25:28,342
he let me just say there were

616
00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:29,009
also two

617
00:25:32,125 --> 00:25:32,375
toulare County animal control

618
00:25:33,925 --> 00:25:34,175
employees who were also charged

619
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:36,409
with multiple felony counts

620
00:25:38,125 --> 00:25:38,375
related to embezzlement, bribery

621
00:25:40,325 --> 00:25:40,575
and animal cruelty so

622
00:25:45,425 --> 00:25:45,675
this was a serious problem I

623
00:25:47,425 --> 00:25:47,675
certainly was concerned about

624
00:25:48,092 --> 00:25:48,342
his plan to move his business to

625
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:49,009
Oklahoma

626
00:25:50,259 --> 00:25:50,509
so we

627
00:25:55,425 --> 00:25:55,675
worked on meeting with all of

628
00:25:57,425 --> 00:25:57,675
the members of the house Public

629
00:25:58,192 --> 00:25:58,442
Health Committee at the time

630
00:26:01,659 --> 00:26:01,909
visited with everyone talked

631
00:26:02,292 --> 00:26:02,542
about the very

632
00:26:05,425 --> 00:26:05,675
important role that community

633
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:06,409
animal shelters play

634
00:26:07,992 --> 00:26:08,242
for the citizens

635
00:26:12,092 --> 00:26:12,342
I mean that the it's critical

636
00:26:13,692 --> 00:26:13,942
that citizens have confidence

637
00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:17,909
in the true mission of an animal

638
00:26:20,125 --> 00:26:20,375
shelter and that they are not

639
00:26:21,625 --> 00:26:21,875
calling and when you're dealing

640
00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:23,875
dogs out the back whether you're

641
00:26:24,292 --> 00:26:24,542
being required to or whether

642
00:26:27,425 --> 00:26:27,675
you're making these deals like

643
00:26:28,059 --> 00:26:28,309
Michael Sergent did in in

644
00:26:28,592 --> 00:26:28,842
California

645
00:26:31,925 --> 00:26:32,175
it calls into question what is

646
00:26:33,625 --> 00:26:33,875
the true mission of the shelter?

647
00:26:35,625 --> 00:26:35,875
are you really concerned about

648
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:38,409
rehoming animals and being

649
00:26:39,892 --> 00:26:40,142
conscientious about that or are

650
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:42,409
you dealing dogs out the back

651
00:26:42,825 --> 00:26:43,075
door as a cheap source of supply

652
00:26:45,925 --> 00:26:46,175
for research and

653
00:26:47,825 --> 00:26:48,075
pharmaceutical companies. So

654
00:26:53,392 --> 00:26:53,642
we defeated that bill the

655
00:26:53,925 --> 00:26:54,175
public health committee members

656
00:26:57,392 --> 00:26:57,642
really understood the the

657
00:26:59,925 --> 00:27:00,175
conflict and the problem and the

658
00:27:01,659 --> 00:27:01,909
betrayal of public trust and so

659
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:02,609
we defeated the bill in2008

660
00:27:07,892 --> 00:27:08,142
it came back in2009 and this

661
00:27:11,425 --> 00:27:11,675
version actually expanded

662
00:27:11,992 --> 00:27:12,242
what they wanted to do and they

663
00:27:12,659 --> 00:27:12,909
wanted to

664
00:27:19,659 --> 00:27:19,909
make criminal penalties for

665
00:27:21,659 --> 00:27:21,909
animal shelter employees that

666
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:22,609
would not hand over or refuse to

667
00:27:27,625 --> 00:27:27,875
hand over the animals. So we

668
00:27:28,225 --> 00:27:28,475
talked to the committee members

669
00:27:29,492 --> 00:27:29,742
again we

670
00:27:33,625 --> 00:27:33,875
they've got the message and

671
00:27:35,392 --> 00:27:35,642
we defeated it for a second year

672
00:27:36,059 --> 00:27:36,309
in a row fortunately

673
00:27:39,925 --> 00:27:40,175
so that's how I got to know

674
00:27:40,459 --> 00:27:40,709
aboutmisergent

675
00:27:44,325 --> 00:27:44,575
the the infamousmi Sargent and

676
00:27:44,992 --> 00:27:45,242
henry Lee Cooper.

677
00:27:52,425 --> 00:27:52,675
Well I would say in in terms of

678
00:27:57,625 --> 00:27:57,875
you know a lot has happened

679
00:27:59,859 --> 00:28:00,109
since the 1940s and1950s and are

680
00:28:01,859 --> 00:28:02,109
not the least of which is

681
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:04,409
advances in the way research is

682
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:06,409
conducted as it turns out

683
00:28:07,992 --> 00:28:08,242
animals are not a perfect

684
00:28:11,492 --> 00:28:11,742
candidate to to

685
00:28:15,392 --> 00:28:15,642
end up with human relevant

686
00:28:16,059 --> 00:28:16,309
results when you're looking at

687
00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:18,642
the efficacy of a medicine or

688
00:28:19,659 --> 00:28:19,909
what are the harmful side

689
00:28:21,659 --> 00:28:21,909
effects there are lots of

690
00:28:23,659 --> 00:28:23,909
techniques and advances now that

691
00:28:25,925 --> 00:28:26,175
can be used that are more

692
00:28:26,525 --> 00:28:26,775
specifically related to the

693
00:28:27,059 --> 00:28:27,309
human body

694
00:28:29,792 --> 00:28:30,042
and so that that has

695
00:28:34,025 --> 00:28:34,275
changed quite a bit

696
00:28:37,892 --> 00:28:38,142
our federal agencies are also

697
00:28:40,125 --> 00:28:40,375
moving away from animal testing

698
00:28:45,792 --> 00:28:46,042
the EPA wants to has has set as

699
00:28:46,425 --> 00:28:46,675
a goal ending

700
00:28:50,125 --> 00:28:50,375
mammalian animal testing by2035

701
00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:52,375
and it's updated its list of

702
00:28:53,859 --> 00:28:54,109
nonanimal methods for use by

703
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:56,409
companies and streamline the

704
00:28:58,125 --> 00:28:58,375
process for allowing companies

705
00:28:59,625 --> 00:28:59,875
that are trying to bring a

706
00:29:01,692 --> 00:29:01,942
product to market to submit new

707
00:29:03,692 --> 00:29:03,942
alternative methods for

708
00:29:04,225 --> 00:29:04,475
consideration

709
00:29:06,392 --> 00:29:06,642
fdaA

710
00:29:09,392 --> 00:29:09,642
their goal is to phase out

711
00:29:10,125 --> 00:29:10,375
certain animal tests in the next

712
00:29:13,425 --> 00:29:13,675
3 to5 years and of course NIH

713
00:29:15,425 --> 00:29:15,675
they are the ones that push to

714
00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:16,409
get rid of the random sourcelapy

715
00:29:17,659 --> 00:29:17,909
dealer because they were so

716
00:29:19,925 --> 00:29:20,175
problematic and they have now

717
00:29:24,225 --> 00:29:24,475
created an office that

718
00:29:25,925 --> 00:29:26,175
prioritizes what are called

719
00:29:28,225 --> 00:29:28,475
human relevant methods meaning

720
00:29:30,292 --> 00:29:30,542
methods that are more

721
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:31,009
specifically

722
00:29:35,925 --> 00:29:36,175
adaptable to human beings rather

723
00:29:37,959 --> 00:29:38,209
than testing safe on on dogs and

724
00:29:39,492 --> 00:29:39,742
then not really being safer

725
00:29:40,025 --> 00:29:40,275
human beings

726
00:29:43,959 --> 00:29:44,209
And I will say too

727
00:29:48,225 --> 00:29:48,475
in terms of the educational use

728
00:29:48,825 --> 00:29:49,075
of of animals that are

729
00:29:53,692 --> 00:29:53,942
were purchased from shelters or

730
00:29:55,459 --> 00:29:55,709
demanded from shelters our

731
00:29:55,992 --> 00:29:56,242
veterinary school

732
00:29:57,659 --> 00:29:57,909
used to conduct

733
00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:01,675
perm what are called terminal

734
00:30:03,425 --> 00:30:03,675
surgeries and they would use

735
00:30:05,692 --> 00:30:05,942
animals that were purchased from

736
00:30:07,425 --> 00:30:07,675
Class B dealers and that was

737
00:30:08,192 --> 00:30:08,442
kind of an old way of doing

738
00:30:10,225 --> 00:30:10,475
things and then the animals were

739
00:30:11,692 --> 00:30:11,942
killed at the end of the

740
00:30:13,659 --> 00:30:13,909
instruction and through

741
00:30:18,159 --> 00:30:18,409
a lot of student advocacy public

742
00:30:21,425 --> 00:30:21,675
pressure donor pressure and

743
00:30:23,425 --> 00:30:23,675
they made the change in fact

744
00:30:24,059 --> 00:30:24,309
they made the change from

745
00:30:27,425 --> 00:30:27,675
terminal surgeries to

746
00:30:27,892 --> 00:30:28,142
beneficial surgeries

747
00:30:34,192 --> 00:30:34,442
in2009 and they have a wonderful

748
00:30:37,692 --> 00:30:37,942
beneficial surgery rotation

749
00:30:39,425 --> 00:30:39,675
that they provide for their

750
00:30:40,225 --> 00:30:40,475
students who can go to their

751
00:30:43,425 --> 00:30:43,675
website and look at it but I I

752
00:30:44,192 --> 00:30:44,442
was just very impressed. I

753
00:30:45,659 --> 00:30:45,909
remember when all of that was

754
00:30:46,425 --> 00:30:46,675
happening I went to several of

755
00:30:47,059 --> 00:30:47,309
those meetings

756
00:30:49,925 --> 00:30:50,175
and they are helping

757
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:54,409
over 3000 shelter animals each

758
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:56,409
year through their beneficial

759
00:30:59,425 --> 00:30:59,675
sur surgical rotation they are

760
00:31:00,225 --> 00:31:00,475
learning how to anesthetize they

761
00:31:00,925 --> 00:31:01,175
are spaying and neutering

762
00:31:04,125 --> 00:31:04,375
they are learning pain

763
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:06,409
management they are

764
00:31:09,425 --> 00:31:09,675
practicing dental procedures on

765
00:31:10,125 --> 00:31:10,375
these animals and they are

766
00:31:11,659 --> 00:31:11,909
making these animals more

767
00:31:13,692 --> 00:31:13,942
adaptable and they're learning

768
00:31:15,925 --> 00:31:16,175
concurrently so it's it's a real

769
00:31:17,525 --> 00:31:17,775
win win'm very proud of our vet

770
00:31:18,192 --> 00:31:18,442
school for doing that

771
00:31:26,492 --> 00:31:26,742
So where do we go from here?

772
00:31:27,159 --> 00:31:27,409
Well

773
00:31:31,625 --> 00:31:31,875
I personally would love to see

774
00:31:33,925 --> 00:31:34,175
Oklahoma repeal the statute in

775
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:36,409
its entirety and make sure that

776
00:31:37,925 --> 00:31:38,175
the door is shut on any future

777
00:31:40,392 --> 00:31:40,642
activity like this

778
00:31:44,259 --> 00:31:44,509
there are still practices that

779
00:31:45,659 --> 00:31:45,909
she you know that can benefit

780
00:31:47,625 --> 00:31:47,875
animals that would be able to

781
00:31:49,625 --> 00:31:49,875
continue even if we repeal the

782
00:31:50,325 --> 00:31:50,575
statute

783
00:31:53,425 --> 00:31:53,675
and just as I mentioned with the

784
00:31:54,159 --> 00:31:54,409
OSU the school of eterinary

785
00:31:56,392 --> 00:31:56,642
medicine Spain needer programs

786
00:31:57,992 --> 00:31:58,242
that help the shelter and they

787
00:31:58,659 --> 00:31:58,909
help the students learn

788
00:32:03,659 --> 00:32:03,909
and I hope that we will join the

789
00:32:05,925 --> 00:32:06,175
other states that have banned

790
00:32:06,592 --> 00:32:06,842
the practice and

791
00:32:10,025 --> 00:32:10,275
that would be a wonderful thing

792
00:32:10,725 --> 00:32:10,975
to celebrate for Oklahoma

793
00:32:15,925 --> 00:32:16,175
and that is the end of my

794
00:32:17,459 --> 00:32:17,709
presentation. thank you for your

795
00:32:18,125 --> 00:32:18,375
attention

796
00:32:23,892 --> 00:32:24,142
thank you so much Miss Armstrong

797
00:32:24,592 --> 00:32:24,842
are there any questions from

798
00:32:25,259 --> 00:32:25,509
committee members

799
00:32:29,659 --> 00:32:29,909
if not

800
00:32:33,959 --> 00:32:34,209
if not we'll continue with

801
00:32:37,425 --> 00:32:37,675
our our next presenter we have

802
00:32:39,892 --> 00:32:40,142
Miss Tinaunter. she's a general

803
00:32:41,659 --> 00:32:41,909
counsel director for Oklahoma

804
00:32:43,525 --> 00:32:43,775
department of agriculture, Food

805
00:32:44,192 --> 00:32:44,442
and forestry.

806
00:32:51,392 --> 00:32:51,642
good afternoon appreciate

807
00:32:53,892 --> 00:32:54,142
y'all having me here. The

808
00:32:55,659 --> 00:32:55,909
Miss Armstrong went over what

809
00:32:56,425 --> 00:32:56,675
the law does. I'm going to give

810
00:32:57,459 --> 00:32:57,709
you our experience of it

811
00:33:01,925 --> 00:33:02,175
we have0 experience of it the

812
00:33:03,659 --> 00:33:03,909
program was transferred from the

813
00:33:04,292 --> 00:33:04,542
department of healthalth to the

814
00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:05,942
department of agriculture

815
00:33:08,192 --> 00:33:08,442
in2012. That law specified that

816
00:33:09,692 --> 00:33:09,942
the Department of Health would

817
00:33:12,192 --> 00:33:12,442
provide us their records. there

818
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:14,209
were no records. I don't think

819
00:33:15,925 --> 00:33:16,175
they had anyone licensed under

820
00:33:17,725 --> 00:33:17,975
this at that time and we have

821
00:33:19,992 --> 00:33:20,242
never even had an inquiry until

822
00:33:21,959 --> 00:33:22,209
the interim study came up about

823
00:33:23,959 --> 00:33:24,209
anything of our dealing with on

824
00:33:27,625 --> 00:33:27,875
that on on that law so we've

825
00:33:28,192 --> 00:33:28,442
never had a license issued

826
00:33:29,992 --> 00:33:30,242
by the department of agriculture

827
00:33:31,659 --> 00:33:31,909
on this matter and we don't have

828
00:33:35,425 --> 00:33:35,675
in in most people's collective

829
00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:36,409
memory we don't even have hardly

830
00:33:37,959 --> 00:33:38,209
any memory of it. they don't

831
00:33:39,692 --> 00:33:39,942
they they barely realize it's a

832
00:33:41,459 --> 00:33:41,709
law that we have within our

833
00:33:43,425 --> 00:33:43,675
purview we've never had an

834
00:33:45,425 --> 00:33:45,675
application and we don't even

835
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:46,409
have an application form if

836
00:33:49,459 --> 00:33:49,709
someone wanted to do this we'd

837
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:50,409
have to make it up at that point

838
00:33:54,159 --> 00:33:54,409
to to license them so so it's

839
00:33:55,892 --> 00:33:56,142
kind of an interesting program

840
00:33:57,959 --> 00:33:58,209
that we just and my

841
00:33:59,659 --> 00:33:59,909
understanding is when it came

842
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:00,609
over to us I was kind of told

843
00:34:02,225 --> 00:34:02,475
that

844
00:34:07,425 --> 00:34:07,675
nobody does it anymore so and

845
00:34:08,025 --> 00:34:08,275
and that's why that we didn't

846
00:34:09,692 --> 00:34:09,942
receive any records or anything

847
00:34:10,492 --> 00:34:10,742
like that that people just

848
00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:12,175
weren't were no longer had the

849
00:34:13,959 --> 00:34:14,209
will to do that the pound

850
00:34:15,925 --> 00:34:16,175
seizure as as a part of their as

851
00:34:16,592 --> 00:34:16,842
a part of their work so

852
00:34:19,959 --> 00:34:20,209
so that's kind of in a nutshell

853
00:34:21,659 --> 00:34:21,909
the department of gs experience

854
00:34:22,392 --> 00:34:22,642
with it and happy to answer

855
00:34:22,925 --> 00:34:23,175
questions

856
00:34:27,459 --> 00:34:27,709
thank you that was to the point.

857
00:34:29,692 --> 00:34:29,942
are there any questions with

858
00:34:30,292 --> 00:34:30,542
relation? yes Senator Goodwin

859
00:34:35,925 --> 00:34:36,175
I'm just curious how did it get

860
00:34:37,925 --> 00:34:38,175
into your purview because we're

861
00:34:39,892 --> 00:34:40,142
talking about animals and I see

862
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:42,409
food forestry and agriculture so

863
00:34:43,925 --> 00:34:44,175
I'm just a little I can see

864
00:34:45,692 --> 00:34:45,942
cattle but I'm just wondering

865
00:34:47,692 --> 00:34:47,942
how that got into your purview

866
00:34:49,425 --> 00:34:49,675
our our state veterinarian is

867
00:34:51,659 --> 00:34:51,909
responsible for all animal

868
00:34:53,925 --> 00:34:54,175
health in the state so we we we

869
00:34:55,659 --> 00:34:55,909
have several programs that deal

870
00:34:57,659 --> 00:34:57,909
with these kinds of animals and

871
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:00,409
for example we have the pet

872
00:35:02,392 --> 00:35:02,642
shelter and dog breeding

873
00:35:02,925 --> 00:35:03,175
program within our agency

874
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:06,409
that we we license facilities

875
00:35:07,692 --> 00:35:07,942
and and inspect and regulate

876
00:35:08,359 --> 00:35:08,609
those.

877
00:35:11,925 --> 00:35:12,175
thank you and if you don't mind

878
00:35:13,659 --> 00:35:13,909
I do have a couple of questions

879
00:35:14,259 --> 00:35:14,509
if you know of any local

880
00:35:16,125 --> 00:35:16,375
ordinances that prevent pound

881
00:35:17,925 --> 00:35:18,175
seizure in Oklahoma. are you

882
00:35:19,425 --> 00:35:19,675
aware of any? I don't know of

883
00:35:21,925 --> 00:35:22,175
any specifically but my I've

884
00:35:23,659 --> 00:35:23,909
heard that the larger cities

885
00:35:24,292 --> 00:35:24,542
especially like Oklahoma City

886
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:26,409
and Tulsa don't do not allow it

887
00:35:27,892 --> 00:35:28,142
and it's been a part of theirs

888
00:35:29,425 --> 00:35:29,675
but it's not something that I

889
00:35:31,659 --> 00:35:31,909
have I didn't need to look it up

890
00:35:34,125 --> 00:35:34,375
there was no one asking so I

891
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:36,409
understand and my second

892
00:35:37,925 --> 00:35:38,175
question if you can describe the

893
00:35:38,625 --> 00:35:38,875
benefits of a statewide ban on

894
00:35:39,292 --> 00:35:39,542
pound seizure

895
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:42,409
over local officials needing to

896
00:35:43,992 --> 00:35:44,242
deal with this issue in their

897
00:35:44,659 --> 00:35:44,909
local municipality.

898
00:35:47,925 --> 00:35:48,175
well and you know I've only

899
00:35:51,425 --> 00:35:51,675
anecdotally would be saying that

900
00:35:52,125 --> 00:35:52,375
that you know generally the

901
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:54,409
public doesn't like this idea so

902
00:35:57,425 --> 00:35:57,675
so you you if if that

903
00:35:58,125 --> 00:35:58,375
continued then and people got

904
00:36:00,125 --> 00:36:00,375
wind of it or somebody came to

905
00:36:03,425 --> 00:36:03,675
us for a license then I can

906
00:36:04,059 --> 00:36:04,309
anticipate that there would

907
00:36:04,692 --> 00:36:04,942
probably be quite the outcry

908
00:36:05,359 --> 00:36:05,609
over it

909
00:36:08,225 --> 00:36:08,475
all right are there any other

910
00:36:09,925 --> 00:36:10,175
questions from any committee

911
00:36:13,392 --> 00:36:13,642
membersunter thank you for being

912
00:36:14,192 --> 00:36:14,442
here thank you for your service

913
00:36:16,425 --> 00:36:16,675
to the state of Oklahoma my

914
00:36:19,392 --> 00:36:19,642
question would be and I I

915
00:36:19,959 --> 00:36:20,209
might should have asked this

916
00:36:21,625 --> 00:36:21,875
earlier and if you don't have

917
00:36:23,625 --> 00:36:23,875
the answer to it and my

918
00:36:25,392 --> 00:36:25,642
apologies but

919
00:36:28,459 --> 00:36:28,709
the the the laboratories that

920
00:36:31,392 --> 00:36:31,642
are acquiring these animals

921
00:36:33,659 --> 00:36:33,909
under pound seizure are they

922
00:36:35,459 --> 00:36:35,709
buying these animals or are they

923
00:36:36,125 --> 00:36:36,375
just taking them?

924
00:36:41,625 --> 00:36:41,875
the educate the they have to

925
00:36:43,392 --> 00:36:43,642
have the license and so there

926
00:36:45,892 --> 00:36:46,142
would presumably be a fee for us

927
00:36:47,892 --> 00:36:48,142
under that but I don't see any

928
00:36:49,925 --> 00:36:50,175
indication one way or the other

929
00:36:51,592 --> 00:36:51,842
in this law that tells them they

930
00:36:53,392 --> 00:36:53,642
have to pay for those animals or

931
00:36:55,625 --> 00:36:55,875
that they have to or or that

932
00:36:57,659 --> 00:36:57,909
they have to provide some

933
00:37:00,125 --> 00:37:00,375
kind of a a fee or purchase

934
00:37:01,892 --> 00:37:02,142
it's not it's certainly not

935
00:37:03,659 --> 00:37:03,909
spelled out in in the statute at

936
00:37:04,325 --> 00:37:04,575
this time

937
00:37:11,625 --> 00:37:11,875
OK thank you so much M Gunter

938
00:37:13,692 --> 00:37:13,942
for your presentation. next we

939
00:37:15,392 --> 00:37:15,642
will hear from Miss

940
00:37:17,425 --> 00:37:17,675
Sherrieerrier and she's a

941
00:37:18,025 --> 00:37:18,275
director of Tulsa Animal

942
00:37:19,925 --> 00:37:20,175
Services and she may be able to

943
00:37:21,625 --> 00:37:21,875
answer that question that you

944
00:37:23,659 --> 00:37:23,909
just asked Mr Chair and she'll

945
00:37:24,425 --> 00:37:24,675
be talking about pound seizure

946
00:37:26,159 --> 00:37:26,409
and its effect on urban

947
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:28,409
municipal animal shelters thank

948
00:37:29,925 --> 00:37:30,175
you for being here thank you for

949
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:32,409
having me also brought our

950
00:37:35,392 --> 00:37:35,642
deputy director Mr Colton Jones

951
00:37:37,459 --> 00:37:37,709
I think it's important to

952
00:37:37,992 --> 00:37:38,242
always have our team because it

953
00:37:38,659 --> 00:37:38,909
take

954
00:37:39,892 --> 00:37:40,142
s a team to take care of

955
00:37:40,392 --> 00:37:40,642
community animals here in

956
00:37:40,959 --> 00:37:41,209
Oklahoma

957
00:37:44,025 --> 00:37:44,275
if you

958
00:37:47,892 --> 00:37:48,142
ever looked up the word pound

959
00:37:49,925 --> 00:37:50,175
which I really hadn't thought

960
00:37:50,592 --> 00:37:50,842
about it too much

961
00:37:53,659 --> 00:37:53,909
this comes from an old

962
00:37:54,225 --> 00:37:54,475
agricultural community

963
00:37:58,159 --> 00:37:58,409
where towns use fence enclosure

964
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:00,409
called pinfolds or pounds to

965
00:38:02,192 --> 00:38:02,442
hold loose stray farm livestock

966
00:38:03,725 --> 00:38:03,975
livestock until owners claim

967
00:38:04,392 --> 00:38:04,642
them.

968
00:38:07,425 --> 00:38:07,675
Colton would know more about

969
00:38:09,392 --> 00:38:09,642
that than me because he grew up

970
00:38:11,925 --> 00:38:12,175
on a farm and I did not but

971
00:38:12,559 --> 00:38:12,809
that's the history of the word

972
00:38:16,192 --> 00:38:16,442
the a story a lady came into our

973
00:38:21,659 --> 00:38:21,909
shelter facility a few months

974
00:38:22,292 --> 00:38:22,542
back her name was Catherine

975
00:38:23,925 --> 00:38:24,175
I could tell she was an older

976
00:38:24,592 --> 00:38:24,842
lady

977
00:38:27,425 --> 00:38:27,675
She came in to ask for some

978
00:38:29,625 --> 00:38:29,875
assistance with some kittens and

979
00:38:30,292 --> 00:38:30,542
we became close

980
00:38:33,459 --> 00:38:33,709
but when she came in she asked

981
00:38:34,125 --> 00:38:34,375
for the pound master

982
00:38:35,425 --> 00:38:35,675
and

983
00:38:37,659 --> 00:38:37,909
my team members came in to tell

984
00:38:39,392 --> 00:38:39,642
me there's a lady here to see

985
00:38:41,692 --> 00:38:41,942
the pound master and I said, you

986
00:38:43,425 --> 00:38:43,675
know, I don't know what you're

987
00:38:45,659 --> 00:38:45,909
talking about. no she's here

988
00:38:46,325 --> 00:38:46,575
to see the pound master.

989
00:38:48,392 --> 00:38:48,642
So I went out and she said are

990
00:38:49,059 --> 00:38:49,309
you the pound master?

991
00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:52,409
I said my name's sherrie. I'm

992
00:38:53,925 --> 00:38:54,175
the director of this facility.

993
00:38:55,925 --> 00:38:56,175
So we became close we helped her

994
00:38:58,125 --> 00:38:58,375
with her her kitten issues

995
00:38:59,925 --> 00:39:00,175
several times I saw her. it

996
00:39:01,925 --> 00:39:02,175
was like we bonded and she told

997
00:39:03,925 --> 00:39:04,175
me a story that she was actually

998
00:39:05,925 --> 00:39:06,175
the first female that worked at

999
00:39:06,592 --> 00:39:06,842
the Tulsa animalimal pound

1000
00:39:10,359 --> 00:39:10,609
obviously that was several years

1001
00:39:12,125 --> 00:39:12,375
years ago and I assumed this

1002
00:39:13,659 --> 00:39:13,909
lady was probably in her

1003
00:39:15,892 --> 00:39:16,142
eightiess but it was a a bond

1004
00:39:17,392 --> 00:39:17,642
and a connection that I won't

1005
00:39:19,625 --> 00:39:19,875
ever forget and definitely my

1006
00:39:21,392 --> 00:39:21,642
team won't ever forget that she

1007
00:39:22,059 --> 00:39:22,309
asked for the poundmaster

1008
00:39:26,392 --> 00:39:26,642
and just as this law is really

1009
00:39:27,059 --> 00:39:27,309
obsolete

1010
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:30,409
just like those words are. you

1011
00:39:31,892 --> 00:39:32,142
know the pound and the pound

1012
00:39:32,459 --> 00:39:32,709
master no longer exists

1013
00:39:37,392 --> 00:39:37,642
we're here to help animals.

1014
00:39:38,125 --> 00:39:38,375
We're here to protect them from

1015
00:39:41,392 --> 00:39:41,642
harm. we're not here to support

1016
00:39:42,325 --> 00:39:42,575
a law where somebody can come in

1017
00:39:44,125 --> 00:39:44,375
and request animals to be used

1018
00:39:46,125 --> 00:39:46,375
for research purposes for

1019
00:39:46,692 --> 00:39:46,942
testing

1020
00:39:51,859 --> 00:39:52,109
we've not gotten any requests.

1021
00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:53,842
Colton and I have been at the

1022
00:39:54,259 --> 00:39:54,509
facility now

1023
00:39:57,892 --> 00:39:58,142
for about four years and we

1024
00:39:58,459 --> 00:39:58,709
have not gotten any requests

1025
00:40:01,892 --> 00:40:02,142
but as I said we're working

1026
00:40:03,625 --> 00:40:03,875
to protect animals not to harm

1027
00:40:04,292 --> 00:40:04,542
them.

1028
00:40:07,625 --> 00:40:07,875
we have the place of last resort

1029
00:40:09,925 --> 00:40:10,175
for our community animals and it

1030
00:40:11,392 --> 00:40:11,642
takes a lot of people to take

1031
00:40:13,392 --> 00:40:13,642
care of them so we do the best

1032
00:40:14,092 --> 00:40:14,342
of our ability to do that

1033
00:40:15,459 --> 00:40:15,709
and in saying that

1034
00:40:17,859 --> 00:40:18,109
you know we could have had a

1035
00:40:20,092 --> 00:40:20,342
pound many many years ago that

1036
00:40:20,792 --> 00:40:21,042
became a shelter

1037
00:40:23,859 --> 00:40:24,109
and now we have a new name and

1038
00:40:25,625 --> 00:40:25,875
we've included services in our

1039
00:40:26,292 --> 00:40:26,542
name

1040
00:40:28,092 --> 00:40:28,342
and waiting on a brand new

1041
00:40:30,092 --> 00:40:30,342
facility hopefully by the end of

1042
00:40:31,859 --> 00:40:32,109
this year or the first of next

1043
00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:34,375
year to do even more services to

1044
00:40:35,492 --> 00:40:35,742
help and protect these animals

1045
00:40:38,325 --> 00:40:38,575
so as a director of a city

1046
00:40:39,492 --> 00:40:39,742
municipal animal facility

1047
00:40:43,392 --> 00:40:43,642
it's imperative that we have

1048
00:40:44,059 --> 00:40:44,309
public trust that was mentioned

1049
00:40:44,692 --> 00:40:44,942
before.

1050
00:40:48,125 --> 00:40:48,375
this adds to our opportunities

1051
00:40:50,125 --> 00:40:50,375
for success and it's been proven

1052
00:40:50,792 --> 00:40:51,042
in Tulsa

1053
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:54,409
as we went, you know,3.5 to4

1054
00:40:57,392 --> 00:40:57,642
years ago with a66% live release

1055
00:40:58,525 --> 00:40:58,775
rate to now trending almost 83%.

1056
00:41:02,059 --> 00:41:02,309
we're not where we want to be

1057
00:41:04,125 --> 00:41:04,375
yet but we're getting there and

1058
00:41:05,859 --> 00:41:06,109
that's because of public trust

1059
00:41:07,659 --> 00:41:07,909
and all of the efforts of our

1060
00:41:09,592 --> 00:41:09,842
team members and our volunteers

1061
00:41:10,292 --> 00:41:10,542
and our community in Tulsa

1062
00:41:17,392 --> 00:41:17,642
Public trust is compromised

1063
00:41:18,092 --> 00:41:18,342
having a mandatory pound seizure

1064
00:41:19,725 --> 00:41:19,975
law and it's hanging over our

1065
00:41:20,392 --> 00:41:20,642
head.

1066
00:41:23,625 --> 00:41:23,875
this is why it Tulsa at some

1067
00:41:24,192 --> 00:41:24,442
point

1068
00:41:25,492 --> 00:41:25,742
before coton and I were there

1069
00:41:29,425 --> 00:41:29,675
there was something put in our

1070
00:41:31,659 --> 00:41:31,909
city ordinance. but on 914 we're

1071
00:41:32,359 --> 00:41:32,609
going to go before the Tulsa

1072
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:34,409
Animal welfare Commission. we're

1073
00:41:35,925 --> 00:41:36,175
gonna to review this ordinance

1074
00:41:37,625 --> 00:41:37,875
and we're gonna see if we need

1075
00:41:39,425 --> 00:41:39,675
to strengthen that language

1076
00:41:42,025 --> 00:41:42,275
update it so that it

1077
00:41:42,459 --> 00:41:42,709
represents our current

1078
00:41:43,025 --> 00:41:43,275
department.

1079
00:41:49,892 --> 00:41:50,142
once we get approval to move

1080
00:41:51,659 --> 00:41:51,909
forward from the animal

1081
00:41:52,359 --> 00:41:52,609
welfaremission if we need to do

1082
00:41:54,192 --> 00:41:54,442
so we'll approach the mayor and

1083
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:56,409
the city council to strengthen

1084
00:41:59,425 --> 00:41:59,675
that law if we need to do it.

1085
00:42:00,025 --> 00:42:00,275
and that will be coming up like

1086
00:42:00,759 --> 00:42:01,009
I said 914.

1087
00:42:03,892 --> 00:42:04,142
and I'm happy to answer any

1088
00:42:04,459 --> 00:42:04,709
questions if you have any.

1089
00:42:11,425 --> 00:42:11,675
are there any questions from

1090
00:42:12,025 --> 00:42:12,275
other committee members

1091
00:42:16,092 --> 00:42:16,342
carrier thank you for being here

1092
00:42:18,125 --> 00:42:18,375
and my only question is

1093
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:20,409
the the one that I asked of

1094
00:42:21,659 --> 00:42:21,909
the previous presenter

1095
00:42:25,892 --> 00:42:26,142
under this law are the

1096
00:42:28,192 --> 00:42:28,442
animals being if anybody knows

1097
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:30,409
are the animals being purchased

1098
00:42:32,192 --> 00:42:32,442
or are they being requisitioned.

1099
00:42:34,192 --> 00:42:34,442
I couldn't tell you thatir we

1100
00:42:35,925 --> 00:42:36,175
haven't had a single request

1101
00:42:38,159 --> 00:42:38,409
since we've been there. if it

1102
00:42:39,492 --> 00:42:39,742
happened before I have no

1103
00:42:40,025 --> 00:42:40,275
knowledge of

1104
00:42:43,925 --> 00:42:44,175
Thank you very much appreciate

1105
00:42:44,592 --> 00:42:44,842
y'all.

1106
00:42:49,425 --> 00:42:49,675
thank you so much.ppreciate you.

1107
00:42:50,092 --> 00:42:50,342
01 more I'm sorry

1108
00:42:53,659 --> 00:42:53,909
kind of follow up on chairman's

1109
00:42:55,859 --> 00:42:56,109
question this may go to Miss

1110
00:42:57,392 --> 00:42:57,642
Armstrong whoever

1111
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:00,409
on the out of state laboratories

1112
00:43:02,125 --> 00:43:02,375
requesting these animals how

1113
00:43:03,525 --> 00:43:03,775
many is that? do we have any

1114
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:06,409
knowledge of how many animals

1115
00:43:09,392 --> 00:43:09,642
are being transported across

1116
00:43:11,425 --> 00:43:11,675
state lines we we don't have

1117
00:43:11,992 --> 00:43:12,242
knowledge we we've had no

1118
00:43:12,525 --> 00:43:12,775
request

1119
00:43:23,925 --> 00:43:24,175
So I can give you a snapshot in

1120
00:43:27,392 --> 00:43:27,642
time for the random sourcelass B

1121
00:43:28,092 --> 00:43:28,342
dealer henry Lee Cooper that

1122
00:43:30,359 --> 00:43:30,609
operated in Oklahoma let me grab

1123
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:31,275
that

1124
00:43:31,825 --> 00:43:32,075
so

1125
00:43:37,925 --> 00:43:38,175
in the time that he was had a

1126
00:43:38,625 --> 00:43:38,875
random source class B dealer

1127
00:43:41,425 --> 00:43:41,675
license

1128
00:43:45,625 --> 00:43:45,875
it looks like

1129
00:43:51,425 --> 00:43:51,675
he

1130
00:43:58,359 --> 00:43:58,609
Think with the between the years

1131
00:43:59,759 --> 00:44:00,009
oh here we go

1132
00:44:02,192 --> 00:44:02,442
yeah I think he

1133
00:44:09,425 --> 00:44:09,675
between the years2006 and2007

1134
00:44:10,259 --> 00:44:10,509
invoices indicated that

1135
00:44:11,692 --> 00:44:11,942
he had

1136
00:44:19,692 --> 00:44:19,942
sold2,395 animals from2004

1137
00:44:20,259 --> 00:44:20,509
to2006.

1138
00:44:24,359 --> 00:44:24,609
earning280,000 dollars over that

1139
00:44:25,059 --> 00:44:25,309
period of time

1140
00:44:29,425 --> 00:44:29,675
I didn't mention this in my

1141
00:44:30,025 --> 00:44:30,275
presentation but I'll mention it

1142
00:44:30,659 --> 00:44:30,909
now

1143
00:44:35,625 --> 00:44:35,875
as as pound seizure grew and the

1144
00:44:37,892 --> 00:44:38,142
public were rejecting the idea

1145
00:44:40,125 --> 00:44:40,375
Life magazine I don't know

1146
00:44:41,692 --> 00:44:41,942
how many of you remember Life

1147
00:44:44,192 --> 00:44:44,442
magazine growing up but it was a

1148
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:46,409
big deal they had some

1149
00:44:46,592 --> 00:44:46,842
investigative journalism

1150
00:44:50,159 --> 00:44:50,409
and we're finding that the

1151
00:44:51,892 --> 00:44:52,142
random sourcelassy dealers

1152
00:44:53,659 --> 00:44:53,909
weren't just demanding unclaimed

1153
00:44:56,125 --> 00:44:56,375
pets from animal shelters but

1154
00:44:58,092 --> 00:44:58,342
they were also stealing them out

1155
00:44:59,892 --> 00:45:00,142
of people's backyards it was

1156
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:00,809
lucrative and

1157
00:45:01,659 --> 00:45:01,909
it just

1158
00:45:05,625 --> 00:45:05,875
that was happening and so of

1159
00:45:06,259 --> 00:45:06,509
course that added fuel to the

1160
00:45:06,925 --> 00:45:07,175
fire

1161
00:45:09,525 --> 00:45:09,775
you

1162
00:45:17,659 --> 00:45:17,909
all right we also have joining

1163
00:45:19,392 --> 00:45:19,642
us virtually

1164
00:45:23,392 --> 00:45:23,642
Miss Lindsey Soist and she's

1165
00:45:24,025 --> 00:45:24,275
giving us the national

1166
00:45:25,659 --> 00:45:25,909
perspective regarding animal

1167
00:45:26,292 --> 00:45:26,542
research and random source

1168
00:45:28,192 --> 00:45:28,442
testing and she may be able to

1169
00:45:30,192 --> 00:45:30,442
give us some insight on the the

1170
00:45:31,925 --> 00:45:32,175
question that was just raised as

1171
00:45:33,492 --> 00:45:33,742
well. Thank you Miss Lindsay we

1172
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:34,409
appreciate you being here

1173
00:45:36,692 --> 00:45:36,942
thank you so much senatorice.

1174
00:45:39,625 --> 00:45:39,875
I am

1175
00:45:43,892 --> 00:45:44,142
going to share my screen if you

1176
00:45:44,592 --> 00:45:44,842
guys OK perfect

1177
00:45:49,392 --> 00:45:49,642
chairhamilton senator nice

1178
00:45:51,425 --> 00:45:51,675
members of the committee thank

1179
00:45:52,125 --> 00:45:52,375
you for the opportunity to speak

1180
00:45:53,892 --> 00:45:54,142
today as part of this interim

1181
00:45:56,159 --> 00:45:56,409
study on Oklahoma's mandatory

1182
00:45:57,925 --> 00:45:58,175
pound seizure law. I am Lindseay

1183
00:45:59,925 --> 00:46:00,175
Sois, head of programs atrise

1184
00:46:01,925 --> 00:46:02,175
for Animals and national

1185
00:46:03,725 --> 00:46:03,975
nonprofit organization seeking

1186
00:46:05,492 --> 00:46:05,742
to end animal experimentation in

1187
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:06,409
our lifetime.

1188
00:46:08,125 --> 00:46:08,375
I've been asked to bring the

1189
00:46:10,092 --> 00:46:10,342
national perspective to this

1190
00:46:12,125 --> 00:46:12,375
conversation. how animal

1191
00:46:13,892 --> 00:46:14,142
research and random source

1192
00:46:15,425 --> 00:46:15,675
animal procurement are

1193
00:46:17,625 --> 00:46:17,875
positioned today where federal

1194
00:46:19,425 --> 00:46:19,675
law and policy are moving and

1195
00:46:21,459 --> 00:46:21,709
how Oklahoma s sets relative to

1196
00:46:22,125 --> 00:46:22,375
the rest of the country.

1197
00:46:25,925 --> 00:46:26,175
the vast majority of modern

1198
00:46:27,925 --> 00:46:28,175
animal research doesn't involve

1199
00:46:28,592 --> 00:46:28,842
dogs and cats at all

1200
00:46:31,892 --> 00:46:32,142
In USDA's fiscal year2025

1201
00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:34,375
reporting dogs and cats together

1202
00:46:37,392 --> 00:46:37,642
accounted for less than 3% of

1203
00:46:39,425 --> 00:46:39,675
all reported animals and

1204
00:46:40,159 --> 00:46:40,409
reported animals are themselves

1205
00:46:42,159 --> 00:46:42,409
a fraction of the total because

1206
00:46:43,925 --> 00:46:44,175
most of the animals used in

1207
00:46:45,692 --> 00:46:45,942
laboratories aren't subject to

1208
00:46:47,925 --> 00:46:48,175
regulation and therefore are not

1209
00:46:48,592 --> 00:46:48,842
subject to reporting

1210
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:52,409
Most of the dogs and cats used

1211
00:46:54,459 --> 00:46:54,709
in experiments today are what

1212
00:46:55,959 --> 00:46:56,209
industry calls purpose bread

1213
00:46:57,959 --> 00:46:58,209
meaning their bread specifically

1214
00:46:59,925 --> 00:47:00,175
for research by USDA

1215
00:47:02,192 --> 00:47:02,442
licensedlass A breeders and

1216
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:04,409
dealers or raised in dedicated

1217
00:47:06,392 --> 00:47:06,642
research colonies. a much

1218
00:47:09,425 --> 00:47:09,675
smaller similarly unquantifiable

1219
00:47:11,425 --> 00:47:11,675
portion or what industry calls

1220
00:47:13,692 --> 00:47:13,942
random source animals. dogs and

1221
00:47:15,692 --> 00:47:15,942
cats not bred for research but

1222
00:47:16,325 --> 00:47:16,575
drawn from the general

1223
00:47:18,425 --> 00:47:18,675
population. they arrive in labs

1224
00:47:19,092 --> 00:47:19,342
primarily through

1225
00:47:21,892 --> 00:47:22,142
federally licensed classy

1226
00:47:23,925 --> 00:47:24,175
dealers who acquire animals from

1227
00:47:25,659 --> 00:47:25,909
various sources including pounds

1228
00:47:27,925 --> 00:47:28,175
and shelters and sell them to

1229
00:47:29,425 --> 00:47:29,675
research facilities through the

1230
00:47:30,392 --> 00:47:30,642
practice before you today pound

1231
00:47:31,059 --> 00:47:31,309
seizure

1232
00:47:35,425 --> 00:47:35,675
modern numbers are sparse if not

1233
00:47:37,659 --> 00:47:37,909
outright nonexistent. USDA and

1234
00:47:39,892 --> 00:47:40,142
NIH don't track or report on

1235
00:47:41,659 --> 00:47:41,909
animal acquisition sources

1236
00:47:43,625 --> 00:47:43,875
meaning that the figures we have

1237
00:47:44,459 --> 00:47:44,709
stem from one off studies or

1238
00:47:45,025 --> 00:47:45,275
reports

1239
00:47:47,892 --> 00:47:48,142
we're not aware of a current

1240
00:47:49,892 --> 00:47:50,142
breakdown approximating how many

1241
00:47:53,659 --> 00:47:53,909
of the41,000 plus dogs and

1242
00:47:57,392 --> 00:47:57,642
12,500 plus cats reported by US

1243
00:47:58,392 --> 00:47:58,642
labs last year likely originated

1244
00:48:01,392 --> 00:48:01,642
in shelters or pounds but data

1245
00:48:03,659 --> 00:48:03,909
from years past can provide some

1246
00:48:05,892 --> 00:48:06,142
context. A comprehensive review

1247
00:48:07,659 --> 00:48:07,909
of the question commissioned by

1248
00:48:10,359 --> 00:48:10,609
NIH and published in2009 found

1249
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:12,409
random source dog and cat use to

1250
00:48:15,459 --> 00:48:15,709
be small and declining even then

1251
00:48:16,125 --> 00:48:16,375
with Classy dealers

1252
00:48:19,392 --> 00:48:19,642
accounting for about4% of dogs

1253
00:48:21,625 --> 00:48:21,875
and a little over 1% of cats

1254
00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:24,109
used in research between2008 and

1255
00:48:26,192 --> 00:48:26,442
sorry2007 and2008.

1256
00:48:31,392 --> 00:48:31,642
even without contemporary

1257
00:48:33,625 --> 00:48:33,875
findings the overall trend

1258
00:48:35,625 --> 00:48:35,875
points clearly in one direction

1259
00:48:37,625 --> 00:48:37,875
dog and cat use has been falling

1260
00:48:39,425 --> 00:48:39,675
for years and that decline has

1261
00:48:41,425 --> 00:48:41,675
been pronounced even over the

1262
00:48:44,125 --> 00:48:44,375
last decadetween2014 and2025

1263
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:46,409
reported dog and cat use

1264
00:48:49,625 --> 00:48:49,875
declined by over40% and we can

1265
00:48:50,325 --> 00:48:50,575
expect random sourcing to have

1266
00:48:51,692 --> 00:48:51,942
fallen at least as steeply

1267
00:48:55,392 --> 00:48:55,642
Critically these declines are

1268
00:48:56,159 --> 00:48:56,409
attributable to deliberate

1269
00:48:59,425 --> 00:48:59,675
choices by Congress, by federal

1270
00:49:01,592 --> 00:49:01,842
agencies and by research

1271
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:02,409
institutions themselves.

1272
00:49:05,659 --> 00:49:05,909
one of the most important

1273
00:49:07,659 --> 00:49:07,909
federal developments concerns

1274
00:49:08,292 --> 00:49:08,542
the Class B dealers who

1275
00:49:10,192 --> 00:49:10,442
historically moved shelter

1276
00:49:10,759 --> 00:49:11,009
animals into laboratories.

1277
00:49:14,192 --> 00:49:14,442
Oklahoma has a direct connection

1278
00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:16,375
to that story and in fact local

1279
00:49:18,025 --> 00:49:18,275
Oklahoma activity heavily

1280
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:18,809
influenced federal activity.

1281
00:49:22,092 --> 00:49:22,342
In2003, a black hound dog named

1282
00:49:24,092 --> 00:49:24,342
Buck was seized in Oklahoma from

1283
00:49:27,392 --> 00:49:27,642
alass B dealer. he had heartworm

1284
00:49:28,125 --> 00:49:28,375
disease and other untreated

1285
00:49:29,892 --> 00:49:30,142
ailments and he died of internal

1286
00:49:31,659 --> 00:49:31,909
hemorrhaging months later while

1287
00:49:32,392 --> 00:49:32,642
in foster care

1288
00:49:35,925 --> 00:49:36,175
Buck's case became a rallying

1289
00:49:37,392 --> 00:49:37,642
point in the congressional

1290
00:49:39,625 --> 00:49:39,875
debate overlass B dealer reform.

1291
00:49:41,859 --> 00:49:42,109
so much so that advocates and

1292
00:49:43,425 --> 00:49:43,675
sponsors began calling the

1293
00:49:44,159 --> 00:49:44,409
federal pet safety and

1294
00:49:46,125 --> 00:49:46,375
Protection Act which sought to

1295
00:49:49,392 --> 00:49:49,642
barlassy dealers from selling

1296
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:50,409
random source dogs and cats to

1297
00:49:50,759 --> 00:49:51,009
labsox bill

1298
00:49:55,392 --> 00:49:55,642
Congress ultimately took action

1299
00:49:56,092 --> 00:49:56,342
though through the

1300
00:49:57,892 --> 00:49:58,142
appropriations process.ginning

1301
00:50:00,125 --> 00:50:00,375
in fiscal year2016 Congress

1302
00:50:02,159 --> 00:50:02,409
attached an annual rider to the

1303
00:50:03,925 --> 00:50:04,175
agricultural appropriations bill

1304
00:50:06,192 --> 00:50:06,442
barring USDA from spending funds

1305
00:50:09,425 --> 00:50:09,675
to license or relicenselassy

1306
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:10,409
dealers who sell dogs and cats

1307
00:50:10,825 --> 00:50:11,075
for research.

1308
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:14,409
after years of need renewals to

1309
00:50:15,892 --> 00:50:16,142
stay in effect, Congress made it

1310
00:50:18,092 --> 00:50:18,342
permanent in December2022.

1311
00:50:21,392 --> 00:50:21,642
Section733 of the consolidated

1312
00:50:23,425 --> 00:50:23,675
appropriations Act of2023

1313
00:50:25,659 --> 00:50:25,909
provides that in that fiscal

1314
00:50:27,925 --> 00:50:28,175
year and thereafter and

1315
00:50:29,625 --> 00:50:29,875
notwithstanding any other

1316
00:50:31,625 --> 00:50:31,875
provision of law, no funds may

1317
00:50:33,892 --> 00:50:34,142
be used to issue or renew animal

1318
00:50:35,692 --> 00:50:35,942
welfare actct licenses tolass B

1319
00:50:36,425 --> 00:50:36,675
dealers who sell dogs or cats

1320
00:50:37,092 --> 00:50:37,342
for research.

1321
00:50:39,625 --> 00:50:39,875
experimentation

1322
00:50:40,225 --> 00:50:40,475
testing

1323
00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:41,809
or teaching

1324
00:50:45,659 --> 00:50:45,909
that language conveys a

1325
00:50:47,659 --> 00:50:47,909
permanent standing law one that

1326
00:50:48,492 --> 00:50:48,742
no longer requires requires

1327
00:50:49,025 --> 00:50:49,275
annual renewal

1328
00:50:52,192 --> 00:50:52,442
Congress didn't reach that

1329
00:50:55,425 --> 00:50:55,675
conclusion isolation NIH the

1330
00:50:56,159 --> 00:50:56,409
world's largest funder of

1331
00:50:58,125 --> 00:50:58,375
biomedical research had already

1332
00:50:59,925 --> 00:51:00,175
barred its extramural grant

1333
00:51:01,892 --> 00:51:02,142
funds from being used to acquire

1334
00:51:03,459 --> 00:51:03,709
cats fromlass B dealers

1335
00:51:05,659 --> 00:51:05,909
beginning in October of2012 and

1336
00:51:06,425 --> 00:51:06,675
dogs beginning in October2014.

1337
00:51:11,925 --> 00:51:12,175
Congress'lab funding prohibition

1338
00:51:13,692 --> 00:51:13,942
sits within a much broader

1339
00:51:15,659 --> 00:51:15,909
federal shift, one that has

1340
00:51:16,392 --> 00:51:16,642
accelerated sharply over the

1341
00:51:16,959 --> 00:51:17,209
past two years

1342
00:51:21,659 --> 00:51:21,909
In April of2025, FDA announced

1343
00:51:23,425 --> 00:51:23,675
it would begin phasing out

1344
00:51:24,192 --> 00:51:24,442
mandatory animal testing

1345
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:26,409
requirements for certain new

1346
00:51:27,925 --> 00:51:28,175
drug applications starting with

1347
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:30,409
monoclonal antibody therapies

1348
00:51:31,692 --> 00:51:31,942
that built on the FDA

1349
00:51:34,192 --> 00:51:34,442
modernization Act2.0 of2022

1350
00:51:36,192 --> 00:51:36,442
which repealed a many decades

1351
00:51:38,192 --> 00:51:38,442
old requirement that new drugs

1352
00:51:41,392 --> 00:51:41,642
be tested on animals. it's

1353
00:51:42,425 --> 00:51:42,675
successor the FdaA modernization

1354
00:51:45,659 --> 00:51:45,909
Act 3.0 passed the US house this

1355
00:51:47,459 --> 00:51:47,709
July after the senate passed

1356
00:51:48,125 --> 00:51:48,375
identical language with

1357
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:50,409
dissent in december in both

1358
00:51:51,959 --> 00:51:52,209
chambers it drew essentially no

1359
00:51:52,625 --> 00:51:52,875
opposition

1360
00:51:57,659 --> 00:51:57,909
also in april2025 NIH announced

1361
00:51:59,659 --> 00:51:59,909
an initiative to reduce animal

1362
00:52:01,692 --> 00:52:01,942
use in NIHf funded research and

1363
00:52:03,659 --> 00:52:03,909
prioritize human based models

1364
00:52:05,892 --> 00:52:06,142
citing both advances in

1365
00:52:07,659 --> 00:52:07,909
technology and failures of

1366
00:52:09,392 --> 00:52:09,642
animal data to predict human

1367
00:52:11,659 --> 00:52:11,909
outcomes. NIH established a new

1368
00:52:13,425 --> 00:52:13,675
office to develop and validate

1369
00:52:16,159 --> 00:52:16,409
nonanimal methods committed $150

1370
00:52:17,892 --> 00:52:18,142
million to humanbased approaches

1371
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:20,409
and has said it will no longer

1372
00:52:22,125 --> 00:52:22,375
issue new funding opportunities

1373
00:52:22,825 --> 00:52:23,075
focused exclusively on

1374
00:52:24,759 --> 00:52:25,009
animal models of human disease

1375
00:52:29,392 --> 00:52:29,642
In November of2025, the Centers

1376
00:52:30,025 --> 00:52:30,275
for Disease Control and

1377
00:52:32,125 --> 00:52:32,375
Prevention phased out all of its

1378
00:52:34,125 --> 00:52:34,375
nonhuman primate research and is

1379
00:52:35,725 --> 00:52:35,975
seeking to send the survivors to

1380
00:52:36,392 --> 00:52:36,642
sanctuary.

1381
00:52:38,459 --> 00:52:38,709
and the environmental protection

1382
00:52:39,925 --> 00:52:40,175
agency has committed to

1383
00:52:41,892 --> 00:52:42,142
eliminating mammalian animal

1384
00:52:45,625 --> 00:52:45,875
testing by2035. It expanded its

1385
00:52:47,625 --> 00:52:47,875
list of approved nonanimal test

1386
00:52:49,659 --> 00:52:49,909
methods this past June and just

1387
00:52:51,659 --> 00:52:51,909
last month announced two further

1388
00:52:53,425 --> 00:52:53,675
advances that let reviewers

1389
00:52:55,659 --> 00:52:55,909
assess inhalation and oral risks

1390
00:52:57,892 --> 00:52:58,142
using human tissue models and

1391
00:52:59,492 --> 00:52:59,742
calculations rather than new

1392
00:53:00,125 --> 00:53:00,375
animal studies.

1393
00:53:04,259 --> 00:53:04,509
Alongside that general shift,

1394
00:53:06,192 --> 00:53:06,442
federal lawmakers have turned

1395
00:53:08,192 --> 00:53:08,442
specifically to dogs and cats

1396
00:53:10,192 --> 00:53:10,442
and notably they have done it

1397
00:53:13,425 --> 00:53:13,675
across party lines. This June

1398
00:53:14,225 --> 00:53:14,475
the US house passed two

1399
00:53:15,692 --> 00:53:15,942
amendments to the fiscal

1400
00:53:17,959 --> 00:53:18,209
year2027 agriculture FdaA

1401
00:53:19,692 --> 00:53:19,942
appropriations bill one

1402
00:53:22,259 --> 00:53:22,509
prohibiting funding for painful

1403
00:53:23,925 --> 00:53:24,175
experiments on dogs and cats.

1404
00:53:26,259 --> 00:53:26,509
The otherboring taxpayer dollars

1405
00:53:27,959 --> 00:53:28,209
from being used to require dog

1406
00:53:28,625 --> 00:53:28,875
testing through FDA.

1407
00:53:32,192 --> 00:53:32,442
Other pending2027 bills carry

1408
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:34,409
the same direction of travel.

1409
00:53:35,925 --> 00:53:36,175
The house appropriations

1410
00:53:38,125 --> 00:53:38,375
subcommittee advanced its NIH

1411
00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:40,342
bill with language defunding dog

1412
00:53:40,792 --> 00:53:41,042
and cat testing

1413
00:53:43,625 --> 00:53:43,875
and the EPA bill cuts funding

1414
00:53:44,292 --> 00:53:44,542
for dog testing

1415
00:53:47,425 --> 00:53:47,675
the veterans affairs bill

1416
00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:48,475
approved unanimously in

1417
00:53:50,225 --> 00:53:50,475
committee would require the VA

1418
00:53:52,392 --> 00:53:52,642
to justify to Congress any

1419
00:53:53,759 --> 00:53:54,009
research involving dogs, cats or

1420
00:53:54,425 --> 00:53:54,675
primates.

1421
00:53:57,892 --> 00:53:58,142
Individual legislators have gone

1422
00:54:00,125 --> 00:54:00,375
further. Representative Nancy

1423
00:54:01,425 --> 00:54:01,675
Mace has introduced the

1424
00:54:02,159 --> 00:54:02,409
preventing animal abuse and

1425
00:54:05,392 --> 00:54:05,642
waste actct barring NIH from

1426
00:54:07,392 --> 00:54:07,642
conducting or funding research

1427
00:54:09,392 --> 00:54:09,642
that causes significant pain or

1428
00:54:10,125 --> 00:54:10,375
distress to dogs and cats

1429
00:54:12,125 --> 00:54:12,375
andpresentative Nick Langworthy

1430
00:54:13,892 --> 00:54:14,142
has voiced his intent to

1431
00:54:15,925 --> 00:54:16,175
introduce legislation banning

1432
00:54:17,925 --> 00:54:18,175
taxpayerfundded breeding of dogs

1433
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:18,809
for laboratory research.

1434
00:54:23,459 --> 00:54:23,709
what's driving this isn't only

1435
00:54:24,192 --> 00:54:24,442
science though there is a

1436
00:54:25,659 --> 00:54:25,909
growing acknowledgement that

1437
00:54:27,959 --> 00:54:28,209
nonhuman animals cannot act as

1438
00:54:29,925 --> 00:54:30,175
predictive standins for humans

1439
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:32,409
it's also a broadening judgment

1440
00:54:33,725 --> 00:54:33,975
across the political spectrum

1441
00:54:35,692 --> 00:54:35,942
that experimenting on animals

1442
00:54:37,692 --> 00:54:37,942
raises complex ethical issues.

1443
00:54:39,992 --> 00:54:40,242
Gallup has asked Americans the

1444
00:54:41,892 --> 00:54:42,142
same question every year

1445
00:54:43,925 --> 00:54:44,175
since2001.hether medical testing

1446
00:54:45,459 --> 00:54:45,709
on animals is morally

1447
00:54:48,025 --> 00:54:48,275
acceptable. In200165% said it

1448
00:54:48,692 --> 00:54:48,942
was.

1449
00:54:53,925 --> 00:54:54,175
this may only45% did the lowest

1450
00:54:55,925 --> 00:54:56,175
figure Gallup has recorded in25

1451
00:54:56,592 --> 00:54:56,842
years of asking the question

1452
00:54:59,725 --> 00:54:59,975
and that shift has not come from

1453
00:55:00,425 --> 00:55:00,675
one side of the aisle

1454
00:55:03,925 --> 00:55:04,175
of the issuesallup tracks animal

1455
00:55:05,959 --> 00:55:06,209
testing is among the closest

1456
00:55:07,959 --> 00:55:08,209
points of agreement betweenubs

1457
00:55:09,425 --> 00:55:09,675
and Democrats. In recent

1458
00:55:11,959 --> 00:55:12,209
yearsuban acceptance has fallen

1459
00:55:13,659 --> 00:55:13,909
faster than democratic

1460
00:55:15,692 --> 00:55:15,942
acceptance closing what used to

1461
00:55:16,359 --> 00:55:16,609
be a wide gap

1462
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:20,409
and in factubs are currently

1463
00:55:21,925 --> 00:55:22,175
leading reform efforts.

1464
00:55:23,925 --> 00:55:24,175
Representative Mace has stated

1465
00:55:25,892 --> 00:55:26,142
that dogs and cats aren't tools

1466
00:55:27,692 --> 00:55:27,942
for research but rather our

1467
00:55:29,692 --> 00:55:29,942
companions and our family

1468
00:55:31,925 --> 00:55:32,175
Representative nicole melitaki

1469
00:55:33,425 --> 00:55:33,675
has said that companion animals

1470
00:55:35,425 --> 00:55:35,675
are members of our families and

1471
00:55:36,192 --> 00:55:36,442
that taxpayers shouldn't be

1472
00:55:37,659 --> 00:55:37,909
forced to pay for

1473
00:55:39,425 --> 00:55:39,675
experimentation on them.

1474
00:55:41,659 --> 00:55:41,909
SenatorRandd Paul has condemned

1475
00:55:43,425 --> 00:55:43,675
dog experimentation as

1476
00:55:44,425 --> 00:55:44,675
unnecessary and torturous.

1477
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:46,409
Representative Langworthy has

1478
00:55:46,825 --> 00:55:47,075
characterized the killing

1479
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:50,409
of healthy dogs for science as

1480
00:55:52,225 --> 00:55:52,475
barbaric, cruel and unnecessary.

1481
00:55:55,425 --> 00:55:55,675
Senator Joni Ernst has said that

1482
00:55:57,425 --> 00:55:57,675
dog testing has no place in our

1483
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:58,409
government, much less on the

1484
00:55:58,692 --> 00:55:58,942
taxpayer's dime.

1485
00:56:01,659 --> 00:56:01,909
Opposition to animal

1486
00:56:03,659 --> 00:56:03,909
experimentation now also extends

1487
00:56:05,392 --> 00:56:05,642
into the federal agencies

1488
00:56:06,359 --> 00:56:06,609
themselves. former FdaA

1489
00:56:07,659 --> 00:56:07,909
commissioner doctorctor Marty

1490
00:56:09,659 --> 00:56:09,909
Mcerry at a federal workshop on

1491
00:56:11,925 --> 00:56:12,175
reducing animal testing gave

1492
00:56:13,659 --> 00:56:13,909
three reasons to move to

1493
00:56:15,892 --> 00:56:16,142
nonanimal methods faster cures,

1494
00:56:19,425 --> 00:56:19,675
lower costs and most importantly

1495
00:56:20,159 --> 00:56:20,409
in his framing that they are

1496
00:56:21,425 --> 00:56:21,675
more humane and ethical.

1497
00:56:25,425 --> 00:56:25,675
for a long time the answer to

1498
00:56:26,025 --> 00:56:26,275
these types of objections

1499
00:56:27,625 --> 00:56:27,875
without that there is no other

1500
00:56:29,692 --> 00:56:29,942
way that however troubling the

1501
00:56:30,292 --> 00:56:30,542
practice science required it

1502
00:56:33,659 --> 00:56:33,909
that assertion is becoming less

1503
00:56:35,659 --> 00:56:35,909
and less colorable as

1504
00:56:36,359 --> 00:56:36,609
alternatives to animal research

1505
00:56:37,059 --> 00:56:37,309
gain traction.

1506
00:56:40,192 --> 00:56:40,442
methods drawing federal

1507
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:42,409
investment are now increasingly

1508
00:56:44,459 --> 00:56:44,709
human based organoids grown from

1509
00:56:47,392 --> 00:56:47,642
human cells organ on the chip

1510
00:56:49,392 --> 00:56:49,642
systems that reprodu reproduce

1511
00:56:51,392 --> 00:56:51,642
human tissue behavior and

1512
00:56:52,159 --> 00:56:52,409
computational models that

1513
00:56:54,192 --> 00:56:54,442
simulate human biology and drug

1514
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:56,409
response. NIH director Jay

1515
00:56:57,692 --> 00:56:57,942
Bhattacharya has said these

1516
00:56:59,425 --> 00:56:59,675
technologies have improved

1517
00:57:01,659 --> 00:57:01,909
dramatically in recent years and

1518
00:57:03,425 --> 00:57:03,675
that NIH intends to steer

1519
00:57:05,392 --> 00:57:05,642
biomedical research in that

1520
00:57:07,392 --> 00:57:07,642
direction. The agency's stated

1521
00:57:08,025 --> 00:57:08,275
rationale is straightforward

1522
00:57:10,125 --> 00:57:10,375
iff ence s between animals and

1523
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:12,409
humans limit how well animal

1524
00:57:12,759 --> 00:57:13,009
data translate to humans.

1525
00:57:16,259 --> 00:57:16,509
notably these methods are not

1526
00:57:18,159 --> 00:57:18,409
being adopted as a concession to

1527
00:57:20,225 --> 00:57:20,475
animal welfare but because they

1528
00:57:21,892 --> 00:57:22,142
better serve the underlying

1529
00:57:22,492 --> 00:57:22,742
purposes of the research itself.

1530
00:57:27,625 --> 00:57:27,875
ga in s t this backdrop,

1531
00:57:29,659 --> 00:57:29,909
Oklahoma finds itself as the

1532
00:57:31,625 --> 00:57:31,875
only state in the country with a

1533
00:57:33,925 --> 00:57:34,175
mandatory pound seizure law that

1534
00:57:35,725 --> 00:57:35,975
contemplates companion dogs and

1535
00:57:36,425 --> 00:57:36,675
cats being used as experimental

1536
00:57:37,059 --> 00:57:37,309
subjects

1537
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:40,409
this means that Oklahoma isn't

1538
00:57:41,892 --> 00:57:42,142
just a state that allows pound

1539
00:57:43,892 --> 00:57:44,142
seizure. it's the last state

1540
00:57:45,925 --> 00:57:46,175
whose law compels it and it has

1541
00:57:47,659 --> 00:57:47,909
held the status since at

1542
00:57:51,392 --> 00:57:51,642
least2010 when Utah until then

1543
00:57:52,125 --> 00:57:52,375
one of the last states with a

1544
00:57:53,992 --> 00:57:54,242
similar law repealed its own

1545
00:57:54,525 --> 00:57:54,775
pound seizure mandate.

1546
00:57:57,392 --> 00:57:57,642
Oklahoma has retained its

1547
00:57:59,392 --> 00:57:59,642
mandatory pound seizure law even

1548
00:58:01,392 --> 00:58:01,642
as its own flagship veterinary

1549
00:58:03,692 --> 00:58:03,942
program abandoned dealer source

1550
00:58:05,925 --> 00:58:06,175
dogs and terminal teaching labs

1551
00:58:06,625 --> 00:58:06,875
years ago on its own initiative

1552
00:58:10,125 --> 00:58:10,375
Oklahoma State University used

1553
00:58:11,892 --> 00:58:12,142
to obtain dogs from dealers and

1554
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:12,809
kill them after students

1555
00:58:13,125 --> 00:58:13,375
practice surgery on them

1556
00:58:17,659 --> 00:58:17,909
In2010 it reversed coursestead

1557
00:58:19,392 --> 00:58:19,642
of killing animals in teaching

1558
00:58:21,392 --> 00:58:21,642
labs the university partnered

1559
00:58:22,125 --> 00:58:22,375
with animal shelters. The

1560
00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:24,375
shelters would supply animals on

1561
00:58:25,692 --> 00:58:25,942
whom students would perform spay

1562
00:58:27,459 --> 00:58:27,709
and neuter surgeries and then

1563
00:58:28,192 --> 00:58:28,442
the animals would return to the

1564
00:58:30,159 --> 00:58:30,409
shelters for adoption. The

1565
00:58:31,892 --> 00:58:32,142
university's president called

1566
00:58:33,925 --> 00:58:34,175
this transition a winwin one

1567
00:58:35,659 --> 00:58:35,909
that gave students the training

1568
00:58:37,459 --> 00:58:37,709
they needed addressed animal

1569
00:58:38,259 --> 00:58:38,509
welfare concerns and served the

1570
00:58:38,925 --> 00:58:39,175
local community

1571
00:58:44,225 --> 00:58:44,475
Since2012 licensing under

1572
00:58:45,692 --> 00:58:45,942
Oklahoma statute has been the

1573
00:58:47,692 --> 00:58:47,942
responsibility of the Oklahoma

1574
00:58:49,725 --> 00:58:49,975
department of agriculture and as

1575
00:58:51,925 --> 00:58:52,175
we heard the department has not

1576
00:58:53,725 --> 00:58:53,975
issued a single license under

1577
00:58:55,659 --> 00:58:55,909
this law in the nearly four

1578
00:58:57,425 --> 00:58:57,675
years since meaning that while

1579
00:58:59,425 --> 00:58:59,675
Oklahoma bears the undesirable

1580
00:59:01,425 --> 00:59:01,675
distinction of being the only

1581
00:59:02,192 --> 00:59:02,442
state in the country to mandate

1582
00:59:05,425 --> 00:59:05,675
the roundly condemned practice

1583
00:59:06,192 --> 00:59:06,442
of pound seizure, there's no

1584
00:59:07,925 --> 00:59:08,175
record of any Oklahoma

1585
00:59:08,459 --> 00:59:08,709
institution using it.

1586
00:59:11,425 --> 00:59:11,675
so this is where the national

1587
00:59:11,992 --> 00:59:12,242
picture and Oklahoma meet

1588
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:16,409
nationwide laboratory use of

1589
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:18,409
dogs and cats has fallen more

1590
00:59:18,825 --> 00:59:19,075
than40% in a decade.

1591
00:59:23,425 --> 00:59:23,675
Congress has permanently

1592
00:59:25,425 --> 00:59:25,675
defunded the dealer system that

1593
00:59:26,425 --> 00:59:26,675
supplied shelter animals to

1594
00:59:26,959 --> 00:59:27,209
laboratories

1595
00:59:31,425 --> 00:59:31,675
federal agencies are moving

1596
00:59:32,192 --> 00:59:32,442
toward humanbased ethical

1597
00:59:35,425 --> 00:59:35,675
science and members of both

1598
00:59:36,025 --> 00:59:36,275
political parties are working to

1599
00:59:37,892 --> 00:59:38,142
strip funding from dog and cat

1600
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:38,809
experimentation specifically

1601
00:59:43,659 --> 00:59:43,909
one of Oklahoma's own flagship

1602
00:59:45,659 --> 00:59:45,909
institutions has voluntarily and

1603
00:59:46,425 --> 00:59:46,675
successfully adhered to a model

1604
00:59:48,225 --> 00:59:48,475
that partners with shelters to

1605
00:59:49,659 --> 00:59:49,909
treat and send animals home

1606
00:59:53,425 --> 00:59:53,675
and no Oklahoma research

1607
00:59:54,159 --> 00:59:54,409
facility has been issued a

1608
00:59:55,659 --> 00:59:55,909
license to engage and pound

1609
00:59:56,259 --> 00:59:56,509
seizure in well over a decade.

1610
01:00:00,192 --> 01:00:00,442
Every institution with a direct

1611
01:00:01,925 --> 01:00:02,175
stake has moved away from

1612
01:00:02,459 --> 01:00:02,709
sourcing animals this way

1613
01:00:05,992 --> 01:00:06,242
the only thing that hasn't is a

1614
01:00:06,659 --> 01:00:06,909
state statute itself

1615
01:00:09,859 --> 01:00:10,109
thank you so much for your time

1616
01:00:10,525 --> 01:00:10,775
and consideration.

1617
01:00:15,959 --> 01:00:16,209
thank you so much. I know we

1618
01:00:17,659 --> 01:00:17,909
have a couple of questions so I

1619
01:00:20,125 --> 01:00:20,375
hope you can hear us can thank

1620
01:00:21,659 --> 01:00:21,909
yousenator senatorhamilton

1621
01:00:26,125 --> 01:00:26,375
thank you senatorice all allow I

1622
01:00:27,892 --> 01:00:28,142
think Senator Goodwin has a

1623
01:00:28,425 --> 01:00:28,675
question who will allow

1624
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:30,809
yes ma'am that's all right you

1625
01:00:31,225 --> 01:00:31,475
go right ahead

1626
01:00:35,392 --> 01:00:35,642
thank you thank you for your

1627
01:00:37,625 --> 01:00:37,875
presentation and I absolutely

1628
01:00:41,659 --> 01:00:41,909
understand are your

1629
01:00:43,692 --> 01:00:43,942
concern as we are looking at

1630
01:00:45,659 --> 01:00:45,909
some antiquated or archaic laws

1631
01:00:47,392 --> 01:00:47,642
on the books I want to let you

1632
01:00:49,859 --> 01:00:50,109
know that when you mention

1633
01:00:51,892 --> 01:00:52,142
thatubs are leading the way I

1634
01:00:53,659 --> 01:00:53,909
know theubs and Democrats are

1635
01:00:55,925 --> 01:00:56,175
concerned about this issue. I'm

1636
01:00:57,392 --> 01:00:57,642
particularly offended though

1637
01:00:59,892 --> 01:01:00,142
when you use Nancy Mace as

1638
01:01:02,225 --> 01:01:02,475
someone who talks about pets or

1639
01:01:02,892 --> 01:01:03,142
family when she

1640
01:01:05,392 --> 01:01:05,642
has made some very egregious

1641
01:01:07,392 --> 01:01:07,642
statements in Congress as

1642
01:01:09,992 --> 01:01:10,242
relates to Muslims as relates to

1643
01:01:11,692 --> 01:01:11,942
Africanericans so I wanted to

1644
01:01:13,425 --> 01:01:13,675
know as she sees pets as being

1645
01:01:15,425 --> 01:01:15,675
family I hope that we'd all be

1646
01:01:16,025 --> 01:01:16,275
able to understand that we're

1647
01:01:19,392 --> 01:01:19,642
all family and and in America

1648
01:01:21,392 --> 01:01:21,642
and I was just going to say that

1649
01:01:23,925 --> 01:01:24,175
particular you outline that

1650
01:01:25,892 --> 01:01:26,142
outlier for Nancy Ma and some

1651
01:01:27,425 --> 01:01:27,675
others

1652
01:01:29,625 --> 01:01:29,875
I just wouldn't agree with that

1653
01:01:31,659 --> 01:01:31,909
using her as a a great example

1654
01:01:32,325 --> 01:01:32,575
to talk about who was family

1655
01:01:38,125 --> 01:01:38,375
apologies Senator Goodwin for

1656
01:01:39,925 --> 01:01:40,175
any offense we were merely

1657
01:01:41,425 --> 01:01:41,675
attempting to demonstrate that

1658
01:01:43,925 --> 01:01:44,175
this is a bipartisan issue and

1659
01:01:45,392 --> 01:01:45,642
these folks who we've

1660
01:01:47,392 --> 01:01:47,642
highlighted have been outspoken

1661
01:01:48,125 --> 01:01:48,375
on on this particular issue

1662
01:01:49,925 --> 01:01:50,175
which it was my understanding is

1663
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:50,809
the subject of today's study

1664
01:01:57,425 --> 01:01:57,675
thank you thank you mesopus for

1665
01:02:00,125 --> 01:02:00,375
your presentation my question

1666
01:02:03,892 --> 01:02:04,142
was regarding the and I

1667
01:02:05,659 --> 01:02:05,909
forget the number of the slide

1668
01:02:07,859 --> 01:02:08,109
but it was regarding the

1669
01:02:11,425 --> 01:02:11,675
NIH to expand humanbased

1670
01:02:12,192 --> 01:02:12,442
models and then a couple slides

1671
01:02:15,392 --> 01:02:15,642
later you talk about the labrown

1672
01:02:17,692 --> 01:02:17,942
organoids. I wonder if you could

1673
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:20,409
expand on the source of the

1674
01:02:21,925 --> 01:02:22,175
human cells that we're using for

1675
01:02:22,625 --> 01:02:22,875
the lab grown organoids please.

1676
01:02:25,625 --> 01:02:25,875
yes

1677
01:02:29,392 --> 01:02:29,642
Chairhamilton my understanding

1678
01:02:30,125 --> 01:02:30,375
is that these cell lines are

1679
01:02:32,125 --> 01:02:32,375
procured in different ways

1680
01:02:33,925 --> 01:02:34,175
depending on the technology

1681
01:02:35,425 --> 01:02:35,675
being used or the purveyor of

1682
01:02:36,392 --> 01:02:36,642
the technology but there is a

1683
01:02:37,892 --> 01:02:38,142
large discussion around ethical

1684
01:02:39,925 --> 01:02:40,175
sourcing and many of these cells

1685
01:02:41,892 --> 01:02:42,142
are procured from donors so

1686
01:02:43,925 --> 01:02:44,175
human donors who are either

1687
01:02:45,925 --> 01:02:46,175
providing theirs cells or coming

1688
01:02:47,892 --> 01:02:48,142
from organ donations or other

1689
01:02:49,925 --> 01:02:50,175
sources this is a very live

1690
01:02:51,459 --> 01:02:51,709
conversation and I think that

1691
01:02:53,459 --> 01:02:53,709
that is an important part of the

1692
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:54,409
discussion that's happening

1693
01:02:55,725 --> 01:02:55,975
again intending to supplant our

1694
01:02:56,359 --> 01:02:56,609
current system

1695
01:02:58,125 --> 01:02:58,375
with an ethical one based on

1696
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:00,409
consent two items that are very

1697
01:03:01,892 --> 01:03:02,142
live criticisms of the current

1698
01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:02,809
animal research testing

1699
01:03:03,092 --> 01:03:03,342
paradigm.

1700
01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:10,409
OK Miss Lindsay thank you so

1701
01:03:11,892 --> 01:03:12,142
much again for your presentation

1702
01:03:13,692 --> 01:03:13,942
and if you don't mind sticking

1703
01:03:14,392 --> 01:03:14,642
around just in case we have some

1704
01:03:17,425 --> 01:03:17,675
more questions towards the end

1705
01:03:18,025 --> 01:03:18,275
and we're nearing towards the

1706
01:03:19,692 --> 01:03:19,942
end right now so thank you

1707
01:03:20,425 --> 01:03:20,675
kindly. I appreciate you again

1708
01:03:21,092 --> 01:03:21,342
for joining us virtually.

1709
01:03:23,892 --> 01:03:24,142
Thank you Senatorice thank you

1710
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:24,809
for having us.

1711
01:03:29,425 --> 01:03:29,675
and lastly we want to welcome

1712
01:03:31,692 --> 01:03:31,942
back Miss Shannon Keith she's

1713
01:03:32,325 --> 01:03:32,575
the president and founder of

1714
01:03:34,192 --> 01:03:34,442
beagle Freedom Project and she's

1715
01:03:35,925 --> 01:03:36,175
going to give us a case study,

1716
01:03:37,925 --> 01:03:38,175
Freedom Fields and a solution to

1717
01:03:39,425 --> 01:03:39,675
addressing the pound seizure

1718
01:03:40,259 --> 01:03:40,509
that we are experiencing here in

1719
01:03:40,925 --> 01:03:41,175
Oklahoma.

1720
01:03:45,692 --> 01:03:45,942
thank you so much I'm back

1721
01:03:49,925 --> 01:03:50,175
my Poweroint oh thank you so

1722
01:03:50,559 --> 01:03:50,809
much

1723
01:03:52,459 --> 01:03:52,709
awesome right

1724
01:03:57,392 --> 01:03:57,642
I'm gonna just quickly breeze

1725
01:04:00,425 --> 01:04:00,675
through a Poweroint many of

1726
01:04:01,959 --> 01:04:02,209
the points that I make here were

1727
01:04:03,425 --> 01:04:03,675
already made so I'll just sort

1728
01:04:05,925 --> 01:04:06,175
of emphasize them and I'm going

1729
01:04:09,425 --> 01:04:09,675
to end on a video that we made

1730
01:04:11,659 --> 01:04:11,909
about our organization why we're

1731
01:04:13,692 --> 01:04:13,942
here what we're doing here in

1732
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:16,409
Nowata, Oklahoma and about

1733
01:04:17,959 --> 01:04:18,209
our beautiful pound seizure

1734
01:04:20,192 --> 01:04:20,442
survivor Grace who is on our

1735
01:04:22,225 --> 01:04:22,475
board over there who now lives

1736
01:04:23,659 --> 01:04:23,909
in Nowada at Freedom Fields

1737
01:04:25,892 --> 01:04:26,142
right

1738
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:32,559
ok as we've heard,

1739
01:04:33,759 --> 01:04:34,009
the problem

1740
01:04:38,192 --> 01:04:38,442
it's hard to read OK. Oklahoma

1741
01:04:39,659 --> 01:04:39,909
law requires public animal

1742
01:04:41,659 --> 01:04:41,909
shelters to surrender animals to

1743
01:04:43,759 --> 01:04:44,009
licensed research facilities

1744
01:04:44,392 --> 01:04:44,642
upon request.

1745
01:04:47,659 --> 01:04:47,909
a practice known as mandatory

1746
01:04:49,925 --> 01:04:50,175
pound seizure animals who enter

1747
01:04:51,659 --> 01:04:51,909
shelters seeking adoption or

1748
01:04:52,425 --> 01:04:52,675
possible reunion with their

1749
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:54,409
families may instead be

1750
01:04:56,192 --> 01:04:56,442
transferred to laboratories for

1751
01:04:58,159 --> 01:04:58,409
experimentation as we've heard

1752
01:05:01,425 --> 01:05:01,675
before from my colleagues this

1753
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:02,409
policy undermines public trust

1754
01:05:04,192 --> 01:05:04,442
in shelters discourages adoption

1755
01:05:05,925 --> 01:05:06,175
and puts puts vulnerable animals

1756
01:05:06,592 --> 01:05:06,842
at risk.

1757
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:10,409
Againba is the last state to

1758
01:05:11,859 --> 01:05:12,109
mandate this practice

1759
01:05:12,325 --> 01:05:12,575
unfortunately

1760
01:05:16,359 --> 01:05:16,609
the mandatory transfer Oklahoma

1761
01:05:17,925 --> 01:05:18,175
law currently requires shelters

1762
01:05:19,659 --> 01:05:19,909
to surrender unclaimed animals

1763
01:05:21,692 --> 01:05:21,942
to licensed research facilities

1764
01:05:24,159 --> 01:05:24,409
upon request. so there's no

1765
01:05:25,892 --> 01:05:26,142
right of refusal. shelters can't

1766
01:05:27,725 --> 01:05:27,975
say no. The animals are at risk

1767
01:05:30,192 --> 01:05:30,442
and there's a severe community

1768
01:05:31,659 --> 01:05:31,909
impact familiesmilies who

1769
01:05:33,425 --> 01:05:33,675
surrender pets expecting humane

1770
01:05:35,892 --> 01:05:36,142
outcomes are misled.unities lose

1771
01:05:37,625 --> 01:05:37,875
confidence in their local animal

1772
01:05:39,725 --> 01:05:39,975
shelters and an adoption

1773
01:05:40,292 --> 01:05:40,542
programs.

1774
01:05:43,425 --> 01:05:43,675
you know there are people who

1775
01:05:45,625 --> 01:05:45,875
for whatever reason can't keep

1776
01:05:47,625 --> 01:05:47,875
their animals and being a rescue

1777
01:05:49,392 --> 01:05:49,642
organization we've seen this

1778
01:05:51,392 --> 01:05:51,642
time again, time and again

1779
01:05:53,892 --> 01:05:54,142
there are circumstances

1780
01:05:55,425 --> 01:05:55,675
sometimes out of people's

1781
01:05:56,159 --> 01:05:56,409
control or they just simply

1782
01:05:58,159 --> 01:05:58,409
cannot keep their family member

1783
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:00,409
sometimes people are very ill

1784
01:06:03,659 --> 01:06:03,909
or they pass away and they have

1785
01:06:05,425 --> 01:06:05,675
to unfortunately relinquish

1786
01:06:07,425 --> 01:06:07,675
their beloved family member to a

1787
01:06:09,659 --> 01:06:09,909
shelter and to think that

1788
01:06:13,659 --> 01:06:13,909
that animal who is so beloved by

1789
01:06:15,392 --> 01:06:15,642
somebody who had just passed

1790
01:06:17,925 --> 01:06:18,175
away is now at risk for going to

1791
01:06:19,725 --> 01:06:19,975
an animal testing laboratory is

1792
01:06:21,459 --> 01:06:21,709
terrifying to think about

1793
01:06:26,159 --> 01:06:26,409
Animal testing this is something

1794
01:06:28,159 --> 01:06:28,409
that my organizationiggofreedom

1795
01:06:31,625 --> 01:06:31,875
Project specializes in fighting

1796
01:06:32,359 --> 01:06:32,609
against we've been doing this

1797
01:06:35,492 --> 01:06:35,742
for fif years. The animals we

1798
01:06:36,492 --> 01:06:36,742
rescue come from all types of

1799
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:38,409
animal testing facilities,

1800
01:06:41,425 --> 01:06:41,675
private and public we've rescued

1801
01:06:43,659 --> 01:06:43,909
not only dogs and cats but all

1802
01:06:44,292 --> 01:06:44,542
types of animals from animal

1803
01:06:45,925 --> 01:06:46,175
testing facilities including

1804
01:06:49,425 --> 01:06:49,675
horses alpacas goats pigs

1805
01:06:51,425 --> 01:06:51,675
rabbits many of whom live at

1806
01:06:52,092 --> 01:06:52,342
Freedomfieldelds here in

1807
01:06:53,492 --> 01:06:53,742
Oklahoma but in terms of

1808
01:06:57,459 --> 01:06:57,709
of dogs and and cats

1809
01:07:01,425 --> 01:07:01,675
they're routinely used for

1810
01:07:02,359 --> 01:07:02,609
toxicology and cardiovascular

1811
01:07:05,892 --> 01:07:06,142
testing and that's particularly

1812
01:07:09,425 --> 01:07:09,675
sad because when they're used

1813
01:07:11,392 --> 01:07:11,642
for those types of tests they're

1814
01:07:13,425 --> 01:07:13,675
typically going to die so

1815
01:07:13,992 --> 01:07:14,242
they're not going to get out of

1816
01:07:15,425 --> 01:07:15,675
the shelter alive. they're not

1817
01:07:16,092 --> 01:07:16,342
going to get out of the

1818
01:07:17,659 --> 01:07:17,909
laboratory alive sorry so if

1819
01:07:19,425 --> 01:07:19,675
somebody is is looking for their

1820
01:07:20,159 --> 01:07:20,409
beloved animal they're never

1821
01:07:20,825 --> 01:07:21,075
going to find them

1822
01:07:24,325 --> 01:07:24,575
in Oklahoma

1823
01:07:29,392 --> 01:07:29,642
there are only4 reported

1824
01:07:31,892 --> 01:07:32,142
facilities that actually use

1825
01:07:35,425 --> 01:07:35,675
dogs and cats for testing of

1826
01:07:35,992 --> 01:07:36,242
the last reported which was

1827
01:07:39,892 --> 01:07:40,142
in2024 there were only 365 dogs

1828
01:07:44,459 --> 01:07:44,709
and 160 1s being used one of

1829
01:07:46,225 --> 01:07:46,475
them however had a noncompliance

1830
01:07:47,959 --> 01:07:48,209
for not administering

1831
01:07:49,925 --> 01:07:50,175
appropriate pain medication to

1832
01:07:51,892 --> 01:07:52,142
the dogs during the procedure

1833
01:07:53,692 --> 01:07:53,942
and I thought that was really

1834
01:07:54,425 --> 01:07:54,675
important to point out and you

1835
01:07:55,092 --> 01:07:55,342
think about your dog

1836
01:07:56,925 --> 01:07:57,175
you know

1837
01:07:59,925 --> 01:08:00,175
being in a shelter getting lost,

1838
01:08:03,425 --> 01:08:03,675
going to a laboratory then being

1839
01:08:05,659 --> 01:08:05,909
tested on that's really horrible

1840
01:08:06,359 --> 01:08:06,609
to think about

1841
01:08:09,392 --> 01:08:09,642
not being given the proper pain

1842
01:08:10,125 --> 01:08:10,375
medication undergoing a

1843
01:08:12,192 --> 01:08:12,442
procedure and this comes from

1844
01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:15,875
USDA inspection reports so I

1845
01:08:16,192 --> 01:08:16,442
I just

1846
01:08:19,425 --> 01:08:19,675
I think it's important to bring

1847
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:20,409
this home. I think most of us in

1848
01:08:22,225 --> 01:08:22,475
this room probably have a dog or

1849
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:26,409
a cat and can't imagine a

1850
01:08:26,725 --> 01:08:26,975
situation where they get lost

1851
01:08:29,892 --> 01:08:30,142
they end up in a shelter and

1852
01:08:31,659 --> 01:08:31,909
then they end up in an animal

1853
01:08:32,292 --> 01:08:32,542
testing facility and this

1854
01:08:32,859 --> 01:08:33,109
happens to them

1855
01:08:39,659 --> 01:08:39,909
so about a year ago when I

1856
01:08:41,625 --> 01:08:41,875
discovered that Oklahoma was the

1857
01:08:43,692 --> 01:08:43,942
lone state here and mandating

1858
01:08:45,425 --> 01:08:45,675
pound seizure myself and my team

1859
01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:46,409
at beaglefreedom Project started

1860
01:08:48,125 --> 01:08:48,375
doing a lot of research. We

1861
01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:51,875
spent months doing research on

1862
01:08:53,659 --> 01:08:53,909
the issue here in Oklahoma and

1863
01:08:55,625 --> 01:08:55,875
so we sent out lots and lots of

1864
01:08:57,925 --> 01:08:58,175
public records requests and

1865
01:09:01,425 --> 01:09:01,675
making a lot of calls and so we

1866
01:09:02,125 --> 01:09:02,375
contacted and sent out public

1867
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:04,409
records requests at 39

1868
01:09:09,392 --> 01:09:09,642
municipal shelters across25

1869
01:09:10,025 --> 01:09:10,275
counties in Oklahoma

1870
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:12,609
of all 39 shelters

1871
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:16,409
none of them participate in

1872
01:09:16,725 --> 01:09:16,975
paesthesia

1873
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:20,409
and this was all evidence based

1874
01:09:22,159 --> 01:09:22,409
on the responses that we got

1875
01:09:23,459 --> 01:09:23,709
from the public records requests

1876
01:09:26,092 --> 01:09:26,342
So here's a map

1877
01:09:30,125 --> 01:09:30,375
the24 counties it was24

1878
01:09:32,125 --> 01:09:32,375
counties24 counties confirmed to

1879
01:09:33,859 --> 01:09:34,109
not participate in count seizure

1880
01:09:36,125 --> 01:09:36,375
and that includes the five most

1881
01:09:37,459 --> 01:09:37,709
populated counties

1882
01:09:40,159 --> 01:09:40,409
and these are of all the ones

1883
01:09:41,892 --> 01:09:42,142
that we contacted we didn't

1884
01:09:43,392 --> 01:09:43,642
contact all of them but these

1885
01:09:44,125 --> 01:09:44,375
are all the ones that we did

1886
01:09:45,892 --> 01:09:46,142
contact so I think that's

1887
01:09:47,492 --> 01:09:47,742
critical we spoke to

1888
01:09:48,325 --> 01:09:48,575
everybody

1889
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:50,409
at these municipal shelters

1890
01:09:54,125 --> 01:09:54,375
and these are all of them listed

1891
01:09:55,859 --> 01:09:56,109
here the the counties and the

1892
01:09:56,525 --> 01:09:56,775
shelters

1893
01:09:59,392 --> 01:09:59,642
again

1894
01:10:00,192 --> 01:10:00,442
including the five most

1895
01:10:00,759 --> 01:10:01,009
populated

1896
01:10:04,092 --> 01:10:04,342
and ashirrri was saying shelter

1897
01:10:05,459 --> 01:10:05,709
workers want to help

1898
01:10:07,959 --> 01:10:08,209
and protect animals in their

1899
01:10:08,525 --> 01:10:08,775
care

1900
01:10:10,125 --> 01:10:10,375
so when we spoke to them

1901
01:10:13,725 --> 01:10:13,975
the overwhelming response was

1902
01:10:15,425 --> 01:10:15,675
what

1903
01:10:16,192 --> 01:10:16,442
this goes on here

1904
01:10:21,892 --> 01:10:22,142
that's horrible. we would never

1905
01:10:22,559 --> 01:10:22,809
do that

1906
01:10:26,192 --> 01:10:26,442
so not only were the individual

1907
01:10:27,492 --> 01:10:27,742
employees who we spoke with

1908
01:10:28,025 --> 01:10:28,275
horrified

1909
01:10:31,392 --> 01:10:31,642
some didn't even know this

1910
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:34,409
existed but they would never

1911
01:10:37,892 --> 01:10:38,142
participate in it in fact of

1912
01:10:39,425 --> 01:10:39,675
many of the municipal shelters

1913
01:10:41,425 --> 01:10:41,675
we spoke to several said that if

1914
01:10:42,192 --> 01:10:42,442
there was a bill about this they

1915
01:10:45,492 --> 01:10:45,742
would sign on and participate as

1916
01:10:46,125 --> 01:10:46,375
a signatory to this

1917
01:10:51,692 --> 01:10:51,942
a better way we know there's a

1918
01:10:53,459 --> 01:10:53,709
better way you all heard about

1919
01:10:55,425 --> 01:10:55,675
it today. I think my amazing

1920
01:10:56,259 --> 01:10:56,509
colleagues for being a part of

1921
01:10:57,459 --> 01:10:57,709
this and for all of you to

1922
01:10:59,459 --> 01:10:59,709
listening about this and opening

1923
01:11:00,259 --> 01:11:00,509
your hearts to this and your

1924
01:11:02,225 --> 01:11:02,475
minds about this umm gonna end

1925
01:11:03,959 --> 01:11:04,209
on a video and I'll stay here

1926
01:11:05,925 --> 01:11:06,175
for any questions you might have

1927
01:11:08,492 --> 01:11:08,742
about our facility and about

1928
01:11:10,225 --> 01:11:10,475
Grace who's a survivor

1929
01:11:13,959 --> 01:11:14,209
and again there's there's a

1930
01:11:14,492 --> 01:11:14,742
better path forward

1931
01:11:18,192 --> 01:11:18,442
I think that we just need to

1932
01:11:18,859 --> 01:11:19,109
repeal this. Thank you.

1933
01:11:32,225 --> 01:11:32,475
sorry

1934
01:11:33,592 --> 01:11:33,842
oh

1935
01:11:38,192 --> 01:11:38,442
for fif years theigoreedom

1936
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:40,409
project has rescued animals from

1937
01:11:40,792 --> 01:11:41,042
laboratory testing

1938
01:11:47,925 --> 01:11:48,175
and placed them with loving

1939
01:11:48,492 --> 01:11:48,742
families

1940
01:11:52,225 --> 01:11:52,475
we've passed legislation it's

1941
01:11:53,925 --> 01:11:54,175
called the beaglereedom bill.

1942
01:11:55,892 --> 01:11:56,142
The governor today proclaiming

1943
01:11:57,925 --> 01:11:58,175
beagle freedom project day with

1944
01:11:59,859 --> 01:12:00,109
scientists to help reduce the

1945
01:12:00,492 --> 01:12:00,742
need for animal testing

1946
01:12:05,925 --> 01:12:06,175
then two years agoiglereedom

1947
01:12:07,725 --> 01:12:07,975
Project did something never done

1948
01:12:08,392 --> 01:12:08,642
before

1949
01:12:15,425 --> 01:12:15,675
approached an animal testing

1950
01:12:16,425 --> 01:12:16,675
laboratory in Oklahoma with a

1951
01:12:17,092 --> 01:12:17,342
bold request

1952
01:12:21,659 --> 01:12:21,909
close your doors and we can give

1953
01:12:22,359 --> 01:12:22,609
all your animals a loving home

1954
01:12:23,925 --> 01:12:24,175
they agreed

1955
01:12:29,925 --> 01:12:30,175
massive animal testing lab in

1956
01:12:31,659 --> 01:12:31,909
Oklahoma has been shut down.

1957
01:12:32,392 --> 01:12:32,642
Nothing like this has ever been

1958
01:12:34,192 --> 01:12:34,442
done before where or anyone's

1959
01:12:35,659 --> 01:12:35,909
been able to close down an

1960
01:12:37,659 --> 01:12:37,909
animal testing facility and then

1961
01:12:39,392 --> 01:12:39,642
turn the facility into a rehab

1962
01:12:40,059 --> 01:12:40,309
and sanctuary.

1963
01:12:53,892 --> 01:12:54,142
today that former testing

1964
01:12:54,392 --> 01:12:54,642
facility is Freedom Fields

1965
01:12:59,625 --> 01:12:59,875
a sanctuary in Nowata Oklahoma

1966
01:13:01,492 --> 01:13:01,742
for animals rescued from

1967
01:13:02,059 --> 01:13:02,309
laboratories.

1968
01:13:04,225 --> 01:13:04,475
where animals were once tested

1969
01:13:07,492 --> 01:13:07,742
they now heal

1970
01:13:26,025 --> 01:13:26,275
animals like grace

1971
01:13:29,925 --> 01:13:30,175
Grace was a victim of pound

1972
01:13:31,925 --> 01:13:32,175
seizure taken from an animal

1973
01:13:33,592 --> 01:13:33,842
shelter and sold to a testing

1974
01:13:34,292 --> 01:13:34,542
laboratory

1975
01:13:37,659 --> 01:13:37,909
there she endured harsh

1976
01:13:39,892 --> 01:13:40,142
experiments today Grace lives at

1977
01:13:41,825 --> 01:13:42,075
Freedom Fields waiting for her

1978
01:13:42,492 --> 01:13:42,742
forever home

1979
01:13:49,659 --> 01:13:49,909
every animal that arrives at

1980
01:13:50,392 --> 01:13:50,642
Freedom Fields receives

1981
01:13:50,959 --> 01:13:51,209
veterinary care

1982
01:13:54,225 --> 01:13:54,475
and rehabilitation from the

1983
01:13:55,659 --> 01:13:55,909
trauma they endured in the labs

1984
01:13:59,659 --> 01:13:59,909
and when they're ready we place

1985
01:14:00,325 --> 01:14:00,575
them with incredible families

1986
01:14:04,125 --> 01:14:04,375
becausereedom Fields is more

1987
01:14:04,792 --> 01:14:05,042
than a rescue

1988
01:14:07,659 --> 01:14:07,909
it's a home

1989
01:14:09,492 --> 01:14:09,742
a sanctuary

1990
01:14:13,892 --> 01:14:14,142
proof that even after everything

1991
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:16,409
a new beginning is possible

1992
01:14:50,092 --> 01:14:50,342
right. thank you so much. Are

1993
01:14:50,759 --> 01:14:51,009
there any questions?

1994
01:14:52,225 --> 01:14:52,475
from any many members yes

1995
01:14:56,492 --> 01:14:56,742
thank you for the wonderful

1996
01:14:59,392 --> 01:14:59,642
presentation to clarify is your

1997
01:15:01,692 --> 01:15:01,942
policy recommendation a repeal

1998
01:15:03,925 --> 01:15:04,175
to the existing statute and then

1999
01:15:06,259 --> 01:15:06,509
also a ban on pound seizures

2000
01:15:07,859 --> 01:15:08,109
it is

2001
01:15:09,492 --> 01:15:09,742
thank you

2002
01:15:15,925 --> 01:15:16,175
all right thank you and thank

2003
01:15:17,925 --> 01:15:18,175
you to all of our presenters

2004
01:15:19,925 --> 01:15:20,175
thank you again to our chair

2005
01:15:21,959 --> 01:15:22,209
chairirhamilton to our committee

2006
01:15:23,692 --> 01:15:23,942
members in attendance we had

2007
01:15:25,692 --> 01:15:25,942
senator Logan and Senator

2008
01:15:27,925 --> 01:15:28,175
Goodwin and to our house members

2009
01:15:29,659 --> 01:15:29,909
for also showing up today. I

2010
01:15:31,692 --> 01:15:31,942
appreciate your support and

2011
01:15:33,692 --> 01:15:33,942
those in attendance and watching

2012
01:15:35,692 --> 01:15:35,942
online Shannon Key thank you

2013
01:15:37,692 --> 01:15:37,942
again with beaglereedom Project

2014
01:15:38,325 --> 01:15:38,575
and the folks that you brought

2015
01:15:40,225 --> 01:15:40,475
with you today Miss Cynthia

2016
01:15:41,692 --> 01:15:41,942
Armstrong Oklahoma state

2017
01:15:42,225 --> 01:15:42,475
director for human

2018
01:15:47,425 --> 01:15:47,675
Humane world for animals and for

2019
01:15:48,192 --> 01:15:48,442
Miss Tina Gunter our general

2020
01:15:51,425 --> 01:15:51,675
counsel and director of Oklahoma

2021
01:15:52,192 --> 01:15:52,442
department of agriculture, Food

2022
01:15:53,492 --> 01:15:53,742
and forestry thank you

2023
01:15:58,159 --> 01:15:58,409
to Miss Sherrieerrier with the

2024
01:16:00,159 --> 01:16:00,409
executive director of the Tulsa

2025
01:16:02,092 --> 01:16:02,342
Animal Services and deputyrector

2026
01:16:05,425 --> 01:16:05,675
Colton thank you for traveling

2027
01:16:07,692 --> 01:16:07,942
Missyndsay Soist, the header of

2028
01:16:08,392 --> 01:16:08,642
programmes for rice for

2029
01:16:09,892 --> 01:16:10,142
animalimals thank you

2030
01:16:11,692 --> 01:16:11,942
andokklahoma animalimal

2031
01:16:13,425 --> 01:16:13,675
coalition for their assistance

2032
01:16:14,192 --> 01:16:14,442
and participation with this

2033
01:16:15,692 --> 01:16:15,942
important topic in interim study

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as well as a senator kirt for

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being here as well and our

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senate staff thank you and to my

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executive

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assistant Miss Joyce. I could

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not have done this without you.

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thank you so so much

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this was a topic that I did not

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have familiarity with and I

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think it's very important for us

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to understand a lot of these

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topics. I spent time on city

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council the animal shelter was

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in my ward that I served on and

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I had no idea that there was a

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law on the books as as serving

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as an elected official that

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would hinder animals from being

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able to live

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a full life. I can't imagine my

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foxy brown who lived to be 18

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and my imi who lived to be six

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you know being lost and being

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given up to a shelter and me

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never seeing them again because

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they had to be given up for

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testing. I can't imagine now

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having a storm as a cat

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in my house that will be two

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in a couple of months. I can't

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imagine those things because I

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had no idea these things existed

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and I'm grateful that we were

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able to have the conversation

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because it sparked a different

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type of of way of informing the

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public about what is happening

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in the state of Oklahoma

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and when it was shared on social

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media the conversations began

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and as you heard the inquiries

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also started to pour in about

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who is asking for a license in

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Oklahoma. Nobody

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no one is asking for a license

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this has been on the books and I

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said I apologize 1957 when we

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began I couldn't read my own

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writing. it is 1951 but

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that's too long for us to have

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something such as this so we

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heard today public trust we

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heard we are here to help and

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protect the animals from harm

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we heard that there's a federal

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topic recently as June of this

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year about this bipartisan issue

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this is a bipartisan issue this

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is a urban and rural issue no

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right of refusal mandatory

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transfers I can't imagine how

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our folks who work for these

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different shelters feel that

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they're being forced to give up

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animals instead of us being able

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to help and protect so I ask

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that we will continue to look at

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how

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we can protect more nutmegs more

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maxes more graces more bucks

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ofokklahoma and more foxy

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browns. I love my foxy brown and

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I promise you I just can't

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imagine kids getting their dogs,

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not seeing their dogs again

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because they just ran off and

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you never see them because they

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are now being given up for

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testing. I just can't imagine

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that so again I appreciate the

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conversation and I thank

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01:19:28,459 --> 01:19:28,709
everyone who was

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a part of this conversation

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today and look forward to us

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going further in depth with

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the next legislative session

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for us to look at repealing and

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doing something different with

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this this particular piece of

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legislation on the books and

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thank you again Mr Chair for

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allowing me to present this

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study

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you senator nicepresentative

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Heffner for bringing this

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over it's not always our job to

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01:19:58,125 --> 01:19:58,375
agree with each other but it is

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01:19:59,659 --> 01:19:59,909
always our job to listen to each

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other so thank you for an

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interesting and informative

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presentation and thank you to

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the esteemed colleagues from the

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house for being here today and

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01:20:10,325 --> 01:20:10,575
I also want to echo your

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comments thank you to the senate

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01:20:13,925 --> 01:20:14,175
staff at all levels nothing

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01:20:15,925 --> 01:20:16,175
happens up here without them and

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01:20:17,625 --> 01:20:17,875
they do great work for us and

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most importantly

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I'd like to thank God that we

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live in a country where we can

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hash out our differences civilly

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01:20:25,659 --> 01:20:25,909
thank you with that we'll

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adjourn the meeting