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Ryan this is Senate roomom535.

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can you confirm whether or not

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you can hear this or not

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if you guys can hear me I can't

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hear anything. I may need to

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switch to my phone something

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may be wrong. can you guys hear

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me?

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Yes yan we can hear you on this

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side.

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OK hold on one second. I

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apologize

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check#2 toyan.

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can you hear us okic check

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OK can you hear me now?

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yes we can still hear you but

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can you hear us from our side

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I hear you perfectly fine for

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whatever reason

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let me it's gonna get right back

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to two streams going good

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my apologies on that

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no problem but Ryan this isco

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Williams with the Senate IT

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department but can you hear us

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perfectly fine? we can hear you.

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Yeah I can hear you perfectly

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fine. I just apologize I have to

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do it from my phone for whatever

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reason the the computer is not

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playing playing audio out of

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headphones or speakers

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conveniently OK all right well

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you can go ahead and mute and

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then we'll turn it over to

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the chair for the meeting to get

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started thank you Ryan.

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awesome thank you so much

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good morning everyone. The

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Senatechnology and

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telecommunications meeting will

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come to order. thank you all so

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much for being here today

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Senatorhamilton, thank you

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for running this interim study.

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I am going to turn it over to

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you so that you can introduce

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your two speakers and with

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that Senator Hamilton you're

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recognized

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thank you madam chair

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or we get too far down the road

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I wanted to say a couple of

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thank yous what is start

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out by thanking the senate staff

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for all the work that they've

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done to make this study happen

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I wanted to also thank Mr

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Ryan Montgomery who's going to

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be presenting today for

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taking time out of his schedule

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and all the same thing with

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the honornorable J Paul Gumm

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from the Oklahoma institute

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of Child advocacy madam chair

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thank you for hearing the

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study and I'd also be remiss if

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I didn't extend a a special

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recognition to the vice chair

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senator Yeck Senator Ye has

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served the state of Oklahoma in

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the legislature for tw2 years

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much of that time he's been in

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senate leadership and so he's

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termed out right now and at a

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time where a lot of legislators

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are just kind of checked out and

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collecting their paycheck. Here

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is Senator Yak up here at the

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capitol being about the people's

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business and

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your statesmanship and your

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leadership are an example to us

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all and I'm sorry for

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embarrassing you but when

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when people do good things then

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those people need to be called

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out and they need to be

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recognized and so thank you very

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much for that

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I also want to thank my esteemed

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colleague Senator Hicks from

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the other side of the aisle for

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being here and contributing to

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this study today the the the

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the fact that you've got so two

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people that are so politically

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diverse I hate to use that word

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but yet it's applicable in this

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particular time shows that this

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is not really a political issue

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that this is a human issue and

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we need to get together and

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figure out how we're going to

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solve it

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and so with that I will stop

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with the thank yous and get on

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with what we're doing today the

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stated purpose of the interim

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study that we're doing today is

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to discuss the impacts of the

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artificial intelligence use of

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social companions now that's

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what the title says we're not

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limiting the scope of the study

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to simply social companions if

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we find out that addressing

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social companions isn't enough

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and there's other things that

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presenters to feel free to

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discuss those things as well and

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the members to feel free to ask

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questions on those things. The

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overarching purpose of the study

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is to protect children and for

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us to do the right thing as

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representatives and guardians of

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the people's constitutional

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rights we've heard too many

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stories, too many tragic stories

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that have gone on about the

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teens Sell setser adamRaine,

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iliana Peralta that have

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tragically taken their own lives

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in after a documented

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instances where they have been

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participating with and using

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Ai and AI social companions

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far beyond what what would be

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advisable know with that our

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first presenter is Mr Ryan

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Montgomery he's been on

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thehawann yan show a couple of

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times he is a the best way I

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could describe it is an ethical

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computer hacker and I'm gonna

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let him tell him a little bit

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more about his interest in his

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story and his testimony but he's

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notable for what he's done in

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the realm of cybersecurity

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because two big things where

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people were preying upon kids

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and that's oblo and Minecraft

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and yan was the one that brought

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those things to light and he had

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because of his efforts and those

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of his team there are lots of

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children who are living in a

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much safer world now and so Ryan

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I will be quiet and if you would

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give us a little bit of

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information about yourself and

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what you do and then we'll get

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on to what we're talking about

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today.

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we are having a hard time. oh

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you we may have muted you. I'm

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Can you hear me now

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Yes sir thank you

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OK my apologies so so I want to

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say thank you for the

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introduction that was super nice

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and my name is is Ryan

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Montgomery. I I've been in

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cybersecurity most of my life

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I'mir3 years old so I would say

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roughly 20 plus years now you

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know just in aiT slash

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cybersecurity so I don't

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remember not being on a computer

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and roughly6 or7 years ago

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I stumbled upon a horrible

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website that had some really bad

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people on there I don't know how

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graphics graphic I can

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get here but I you know

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they were talking about some

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horrible things one of which was

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and this was sent to me by a

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friend's wife so I had no idea

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about this space that wasn't

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abused as a kid I I literally

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had no clue. I just knew the

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internet had some bad things but

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never seem it to this degree so

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get this text message about a

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horrible website and and you

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see one of the these posts

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that was a photo of a child in a

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bathtub with their their back

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you know facing the camera and

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you could tell that they were

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nude and the you know

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the title of the post said

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they have no idea what's going

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to happen to them tonight and

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then underneath of that post

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there were a ton of people that

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were talking about what they

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were going to do to this

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parent's child and it was you

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know one of many horrible things

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that existed on this one

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individual website

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time goes by I find a way in

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to dump the entire database of

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this site which was you know

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technically illegal at that time

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and I find that the that

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theory and I'm skipping a lot of

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these details but I I find

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that the owner of the website is

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someone who was running for con

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in in the state of Virginia

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Nathaniel Larson and I report

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it you know immediately to law

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enforcement knowing that I could

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potentially get in trouble for

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this law enforcement does not

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respond to me at that time I

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I reached out to multiple media

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sources none of which actually

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followed through and did

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anything about this or or made

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this story public and

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then you all these years

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later you know I'm sorry two

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years later after I reported

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everything and in between

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the thehaw Ryan show is where

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it's the six months after I

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reported it that same politician

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was arrested with a 13 year old

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girl that he raped and kidnapped

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in Denver, Colorado

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and and that would have been

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prevented along with the the

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which skipping a lot of details

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again 13 other victims that I

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was able to identify from this

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website that could have been

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prevented if things happened in

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a timely fashion so the reason

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why I ended up on Sean Ryan and

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Tucker carlson and Patrick all

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these different podcasts but

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because of this initial website

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that I that you know breached

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their database released an inf

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they released it you know to

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to the that was going I never

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really released it publicly

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parents or people

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innocent people that may be in

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the database or children

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themselves that were selling

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themselves on this website

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because that was happening as

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well but I I talked about

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this story on a very small

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podcast and thenhaw Ryan who has

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a large podcast reached out to

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me I never knew I never even

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heard of the guy at that time at

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least he reaches out to me and

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and wants me to tell this

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story in full so I do you

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know I'm just an a computer nerd

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you know super pale nervous

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voice shaken mouth super dry,

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probably drank e bottles of

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water on the podcast but you

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know we I get pretty deep into

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this horrible website and the

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dangers of you know the

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internet and show some live

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examples of how quickly these

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predators will prey on our

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children

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and and he was mind blown by

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it but we thought at the time

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that YouTube wasn't gonna make

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it you know it wasn't gonna make

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it five minutes on YouTube

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because of how graphic it was so

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he posts it anyway he took the

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chance of losing his channel,

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you know he took the chance of

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the credibility because he

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didn't know who I was and

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then we find out that it

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became the biggest podcast he's

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ever done, the biggest podcast

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of224 I believe or it was

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either24 or25 and and I'm

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not saying that in an

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egotistical way I'm saying that

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because I am mind blown that

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that

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even happened but but the

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reason was not because I'm some

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you know great public speaker as

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you guys are learning right now

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I you know it just it was

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something that people needed to

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see and not just hear about and

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and I know everyone that's

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listening to this right now

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knows that predators exist. they

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know that the people prey on

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children but but have you seen

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it you know and and that's

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that's what I I was willing to

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show and what I was able to show

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and how quickly you know I could

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even unfortunately reproduce it

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right now at any time so that

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is what

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started in the child crimeme

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side of my life. there's a lot

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more on the cybersecurity side

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which I can get into if you want

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me to but but that's why I

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work in child crimes on the the

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chief technology officer

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ofentinel Foundation. I I own a

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cybersecurity company called

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Pentester.com where we

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identify predators and work with

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fed in parallel with federal law

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enforcement local law

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enforcement to combat human

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trafficking and and and and

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violence against children and

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you know here I am today so if

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you guys and if I'm missing

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anything please let me know

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thank you very much Ryan. and

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I appreciate appreciate

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you going into a little bit of

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your background because it

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establishes your credibility to

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be able to speak on the issue

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that we're talking about with

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the with the interim study I

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know that you're very aware of

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the of the names that I

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mentioned

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oh with the that that have been

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involved with Ai that eventually

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taken their lives

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and I was wondering if you could

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elaborate a little bit on what

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you see as some of the

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obstacles the pitfalls that

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have that that have trapped

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these kids

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so so yeah I I two of those

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names I I definitely am familiar

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with and and I wanna add if you

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don't mind I wanna add some some

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more so doing doing a little bit

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of research prior to coming

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here I I looked into as many

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all of the cases that were filed

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as lawsuits you know at the

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moment so that doesn't mean all

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of them that doesn't mean that

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every single parent realized

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that their child did something

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that was inappropriate or or

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hurt themselves or hurt somebody

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else due to an Ai chat or

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an AI companion that instructed

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them to do so or motivated them

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to do so so I'm gonna read off

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of a list here so I don't get

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anything wrong. I'm just gonna

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use first names because they're

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kids but feel free if you

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guys need to get the information

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all this obviously verifiable

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you mentioned two of the names

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which I'll mention again quickly

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so 14 year old soul from from

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Florida had a romantic sexual

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relationship. he was urged to

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join her and when I said her it

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was an Aibot that said that it

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loved him and it and used the

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terms come home to her

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on the platform from

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character.ai which was which

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ended up in a suicide adam

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reigns 16 which we we spoke

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about him already was

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California he he was a

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suicide unfortunately as well

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that was chatgBT who was

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coaching him on how to you

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know commit

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self harm as well as as

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well as you know and even

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offered to write him a suicide

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note for so I don't have that in

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my notes but I know that as a

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fact and unfortunately

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committed suicide 13 year old

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in Coloradoiliana was the

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bot was talking sexual she

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mentioned a suicide note of her

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own and the bot didn't report or

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attempt to help her she also

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died by suicide 17 year old

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Texas with the and with the

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initials uhjF he was autistic

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the bot suggested murdering his

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family and and and you know

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hurting hurting people and doing

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horrible things and then when

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it was all

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stemming from him character Ai

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was was telling him to they were

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bought I'm sorry their bot was

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instructing him to murder his

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family and do horrible things

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based on his family saying they

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were going to limit his screen

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time on his you know, devices I

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don't know if there was a phone

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an iPad or or a gaming console

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but the boss suggested they

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do that based on that alone

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from the information I have 17

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year old amari

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in Georgiachat GBT coached him

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into suicide and also taught him

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how to tie a noose 13 year

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old acronym or no

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yeah 13 year old Ts in

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Colorado promoted the the bot

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promoted self harm sexual

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conversation and then the and

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then the the

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13 year old rejected the self

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harm and sexual conversation and

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the bot continued to do it

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regardless and and the bot

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then continued pretend to be a

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therapist as we all know Ai

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cannot be a therapist it doesn't

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have a license it can it can

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offer some suggestions but at in

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this specific case was you

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know was very harmful to this

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child and then the last

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two things I'll bring up about

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individual cases was Stanford

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brainstorm posed as a 14 year

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old teen

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on three of these platforms and

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the bots immediately and easily

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engaged in sexual activity

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repeatedly and one of them

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was role playing about about

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pedophilic activity they

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found that all companion

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applications they tested they

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they found consistent with sex

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sexualization roleplay self

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harm, violence drug use, hate

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speech and more which is you

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know if if you guys check that

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out that's the Stanford

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rd brainstorm I believe they

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call it some some experiment

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I don't have it in my notes and

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lastly Snapchat Ai which is

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something that I think a lot of

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the people here that have kids

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likely if they have a device

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they havesnapchat and if they

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you know a lot a lot of kids

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unfortunately are hiding it so

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they'll they'll hide the app

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from the home screen or they'll

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they'll put it somewhere that

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it's not not easy for you to see

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that Snapchat has ai built into

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it and it's an Ai chatbot that

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that it's obviously has guard

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rails it has safety but doesn't

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we'll get into more of that in a

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minute and how that can be

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bypassed and kids are bypassing

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it it's a free Aibot that

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kids are utilizing and that was

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tested as well by a different

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group I believe it was in

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Australia I'm not positive on

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that or no I'm sorry it was

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tested by a guy named Jeffrey

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Fowler. I don't know where he

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was from and he posed as a 15

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year old girl and it was

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teaching kids how to hide

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alcohol, how to have sex with

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adults it was doing unbelievable

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things that I'm I'm sure

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Snapchat

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was not intending on it it doing

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you know, I'm not a conspiracy

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theorist and I think all these

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Ai companies are trying to harm

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our children. I just think that

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it's such a new thing and we're

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in like the wild west and we

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just need to put we need to find

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some way to to limit the

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access for these children in and

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I believe age verification which

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we'll get into as well but

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yeah it's a the these Ai

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platforms you can easily steer

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them in any direction

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unfortunately and sometimes

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that ends up in kids hurting

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themselves or traumatizing

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themselves for life or hurting

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other people

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you mentioned the

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the the instances where you had

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a a child a teen that was the

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conversation had turned intimate

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or sexual in nature and that

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spurred a couple of things that

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I'd remembered from researching

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earlier in the year and that

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is that in Japan they actually

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had somebody that married their

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00:29:32,623 --> 00:29:32,873
Ai social companion I have

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00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:34,639
not heard about that happening

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00:29:36,856 --> 00:29:37,106
in the United States but you

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00:29:37,489 --> 00:29:37,739
you know

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00:29:40,856 --> 00:29:41,106
there's another situation

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where where you have Ai that

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is turning the interaction with

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the teen intimate and I don't

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know if you're familiar with

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00:29:51,123 --> 00:29:51,373
this lady but her name's alyssa

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Goldberg. she's a wellness

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reporter for USA today

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and she did a study in2025 where

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she had a team and they all

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masqueraded as teenagers and

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they got on various Ai

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platforms I think it was

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character Ai was what they were

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what they set up their accounts

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on and they were on there for

578
00:30:19,089 --> 00:30:19,339
roughly50 hours and there

579
00:30:22,623 --> 00:30:22,873
were650 what she termed

580
00:30:24,489 --> 00:30:24,739
harmful interactions which are

581
00:30:25,156 --> 00:30:25,406
the things that

582
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:28,639
would run the gamut from

583
00:30:30,623 --> 00:30:30,873
inappropriate relationships to

584
00:30:33,256 --> 00:30:33,506
drug use to self harm to harming

585
00:30:34,889 --> 00:30:35,139
others to hate speech to you

586
00:30:35,489 --> 00:30:35,739
name it and

587
00:30:37,689 --> 00:30:37,939
so I guess

588
00:30:42,889 --> 00:30:43,139
is there a is there a

589
00:30:46,689 --> 00:30:46,939
is there a clear delineation

590
00:30:48,856 --> 00:30:49,106
between

591
00:30:52,856 --> 00:30:53,106
what is and understand you

592
00:30:55,089 --> 00:30:55,339
I'm I'm speaking as a a bit of a

593
00:30:58,856 --> 00:30:59,106
a caveman when it comes to

594
00:31:00,889 --> 00:31:01,139
technology things but is there a

595
00:31:03,156 --> 00:31:03,406
a way to draw a very clear

596
00:31:06,623 --> 00:31:06,873
distinction between an Ai

597
00:31:07,389 --> 00:31:07,639
assistant and an Ai agent

598
00:31:13,123 --> 00:31:13,373
so an AI agent and an AI

599
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:16,639
assistant they so do you mean

600
00:31:17,123 --> 00:31:17,373
companion or do you mean agent

601
00:31:17,789 --> 00:31:18,039
just to be clarify

602
00:31:22,656 --> 00:31:22,906
Well I guess do I guess the

603
00:31:23,423 --> 00:31:23,673
answer to that to that question

604
00:31:27,156 --> 00:31:27,406
may be I think so the what

605
00:31:28,889 --> 00:31:29,139
I was looking at what my

606
00:31:30,423 --> 00:31:30,673
research indicated that an

607
00:31:32,623 --> 00:31:32,873
assistant would accomplish tasks

608
00:31:34,889 --> 00:31:35,139
but an agent would actually take

609
00:31:38,423 --> 00:31:38,673
actions and so that's really

610
00:31:39,189 --> 00:31:39,439
like that a lot of these things

611
00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:40,106
are actually

612
00:31:44,389 --> 00:31:44,639
they're they're very close to

613
00:31:46,656 --> 00:31:46,906
being that that they're

614
00:31:48,423 --> 00:31:48,673
taking actions they're not just

615
00:31:49,156 --> 00:31:49,406
helping you solve your math

616
00:31:49,723 --> 00:31:49,973
problem or do research for

617
00:31:50,289 --> 00:31:50,539
example.

618
00:31:54,856 --> 00:31:55,106
so with I'll give you an example

619
00:31:56,856 --> 00:31:57,106
of a real life use case of an

620
00:31:59,123 --> 00:31:59,373
agent or an agent swarm in Ai

621
00:32:02,423 --> 00:32:02,673
which is not a companion but you

622
00:32:03,056 --> 00:32:03,306
can use ai for anything that's

623
00:32:04,889 --> 00:32:05,139
that's there that's the the

624
00:32:06,856 --> 00:32:07,106
blessing and the curse of ai

625
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:10,639
when you ask for example chatgpt

626
00:32:11,123 --> 00:32:11,373
on the very the most basic

627
00:32:14,889 --> 00:32:15,139
example how do I make you

628
00:32:17,123 --> 00:32:17,373
know banana banana cake or

629
00:32:18,889 --> 00:32:19,139
banana pie or you know whatever

630
00:32:21,189 --> 00:32:21,439
let's say a recipe it's gonna

631
00:32:21,856 --> 00:32:22,106
respond with with whatever it

632
00:32:24,889 --> 00:32:25,139
can put together as patterns and

633
00:32:26,856 --> 00:32:27,106
it's a big neural network of

634
00:32:27,423 --> 00:32:27,673
information that connects you

635
00:32:30,889 --> 00:32:31,139
know banana cake recipes fruit

636
00:32:32,623 --> 00:32:32,873
freshness you know all all of

637
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:34,639
the things you can think about

638
00:32:35,023 --> 00:32:35,273
that relate to those things that

639
00:32:36,889 --> 00:32:37,139
you just ask it and it's gonna

640
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:38,639
come up with an answer based on

641
00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:39,373
things that it's already been

642
00:32:41,123 --> 00:32:41,373
taught. that's how how Ai

643
00:32:43,089 --> 00:32:43,339
works or a large language model

644
00:32:44,856 --> 00:32:45,106
is is my favorite term you know

645
00:32:46,889 --> 00:32:47,139
that's what it's called

646
00:32:48,623 --> 00:32:48,873
artificial intelligence things

647
00:32:50,389 --> 00:32:50,639
that can come up with a new idea

648
00:32:51,223 --> 00:32:51,473
Ai at this moment can't

649
00:32:51,789 --> 00:32:52,039
create

650
00:32:54,356 --> 00:32:54,606
new ideas because it's trained

651
00:32:55,089 --> 00:32:55,339
on ideas that we that you know

652
00:32:56,856 --> 00:32:57,106
it's trained on information

653
00:32:58,656 --> 00:32:58,906
that's already out there so that

654
00:33:00,889 --> 00:33:01,139
is how chatgpT responds to a

655
00:33:02,489 --> 00:33:02,739
question when there's a

656
00:33:02,989 --> 00:33:03,239
situation

657
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:06,639
which is a very very dumbed

658
00:33:07,123 --> 00:33:07,373
down version of it and I

659
00:33:09,356 --> 00:33:09,606
apologize for that an

660
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:13,139
agent where only is spawned when

661
00:33:14,389 --> 00:33:14,639
it needs help for example. so

662
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:16,639
let's say we're building a 3D

663
00:33:18,923 --> 00:33:19,173
diagram of a courthouse and

664
00:33:20,656 --> 00:33:20,906
and we want to make sure that we

665
00:33:22,389 --> 00:33:22,639
get the front parking lot and we

666
00:33:23,123 --> 00:33:23,373
want to get the lobby, we want

667
00:33:24,623 --> 00:33:24,873
to get all the courtrooms we

668
00:33:26,623 --> 00:33:26,873
want to get the cars and if you

669
00:33:28,889 --> 00:33:29,139
just asked one Ai assistant to

670
00:33:31,123 --> 00:33:31,373
build that it would do an ok job

671
00:33:32,656 --> 00:33:32,906
at that and it would take a

672
00:33:33,189 --> 00:33:33,439
substantial amount of time

673
00:33:35,123 --> 00:33:35,373
that that assistant can call out

674
00:33:37,089 --> 00:33:37,339
to its agents which are just

675
00:33:38,856 --> 00:33:39,106
other mini assistants for better

676
00:33:40,623 --> 00:33:40,873
words that will say like your

677
00:33:42,389 --> 00:33:42,639
job is to build the cars and

678
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:44,639
then this and agent too your job

679
00:33:46,389 --> 00:33:46,639
is to build all the courtrooms

680
00:33:46,989 --> 00:33:47,239
your job is to build the lobby

681
00:33:48,589 --> 00:33:48,839
for agent 3 and so on and so

682
00:33:50,823 --> 00:33:51,073
forth to the agents are usually

683
00:33:53,089 --> 00:33:53,339
a lesser powerful model

684
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:56,639
meaning like the like the the

685
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:58,639
strength and the the accuracy of

686
00:33:59,123 --> 00:33:59,373
the model they're usually lesser

687
00:34:00,856 --> 00:34:01,106
you can make them the same but

688
00:34:02,656 --> 00:34:02,906
they're usually less so the

689
00:34:03,223 --> 00:34:03,473
assistant is basically the

690
00:34:04,923 --> 00:34:05,173
supervisor running everything

691
00:34:06,656 --> 00:34:06,906
and all the agents below it are

692
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:08,639
doing the smaller tasks and then

693
00:34:09,389 --> 00:34:09,639
at the end they convene together

694
00:34:10,889 --> 00:34:11,139
and they they they give you

695
00:34:12,389 --> 00:34:12,639
the output that you were looking

696
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:14,639
for so that can be used

697
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:16,639
obviously as a companion or can

698
00:34:18,623 --> 00:34:18,873
be used inappropriately but are

699
00:34:20,589 --> 00:34:20,839
usually it is used for

700
00:34:21,356 --> 00:34:21,606
development purposes or for

701
00:34:23,189 --> 00:34:23,439
something that requires a a

702
00:34:24,923 --> 00:34:25,173
large work the big

703
00:34:25,356 --> 00:34:25,606
workload

704
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:30,639
Thank you.

705
00:34:32,856 --> 00:34:33,106
getting into some particulars of

706
00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:36,639
of the legislation that we tried

707
00:34:38,623 --> 00:34:38,873
to pass last year one of the

708
00:34:40,623 --> 00:34:40,873
things that I wanted to do was

709
00:34:42,923 --> 00:34:43,173
to make it some mandatory age

710
00:34:44,656 --> 00:34:44,906
verification and not just

711
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:48,639
something pretty robust not

712
00:34:49,256 --> 00:34:49,506
just click the box that says

713
00:34:49,789 --> 00:34:50,039
you're older than21

714
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:54,639
so I was looking for a

715
00:34:56,656 --> 00:34:56,906
similar thing of what I was

716
00:34:58,389 --> 00:34:58,639
understanding is the law

717
00:34:58,889 --> 00:34:59,139
regarding pornography

718
00:35:01,156 --> 00:35:01,406
consumption and in Florida and

719
00:35:02,656 --> 00:35:02,906
that would be that you would

720
00:35:04,623 --> 00:35:04,873
have to upload your government

721
00:35:07,156 --> 00:35:07,406
issued photoidD can you speak to

722
00:35:08,956 --> 00:35:09,206
that of or any pitfalls or

723
00:35:09,556 --> 00:35:09,806
difficulties associated with

724
00:35:10,223 --> 00:35:10,473
that

725
00:35:15,156 --> 00:35:15,406
mean I don't know a ton about it

726
00:35:17,123 --> 00:35:17,373
but I do know that the main

727
00:35:19,156 --> 00:35:19,406
theres there's a website pornhub

728
00:35:20,889 --> 00:35:21,139
which may many of you may be

729
00:35:22,623 --> 00:35:22,873
familiar with what you heard

730
00:35:24,389 --> 00:35:24,639
heard it on TV or you know you

731
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:25,373
know somebody that's been on the

732
00:35:26,623 --> 00:35:26,873
website but I think it's one of

733
00:35:27,389 --> 00:35:27,639
the largest if not the largest

734
00:35:28,956 --> 00:35:29,206
sites out there that was

735
00:35:30,689 --> 00:35:30,939
allowing or still is allowing

736
00:35:32,656 --> 00:35:32,906
people to upload their own

737
00:35:36,389 --> 00:35:36,639
content sexual in nature so

738
00:35:38,389 --> 00:35:38,639
their site ended up having a a

739
00:35:39,156 --> 00:35:39,406
ton of child sexual abuse

740
00:35:40,923 --> 00:35:41,173
material on there because they

741
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:41,839
they couldn't confirm what was

742
00:35:44,656 --> 00:35:44,906
a child and what was not a child

743
00:35:46,389 --> 00:35:46,639
so so I think that's where

744
00:35:47,123 --> 00:35:47,373
this started from and why the

745
00:35:49,156 --> 00:35:49,406
the ID verification started to

746
00:35:51,123 --> 00:35:51,373
become a thing for pornhub let's

747
00:35:53,156 --> 00:35:53,406
say as a big company they said

748
00:35:54,923 --> 00:35:55,173
OKok let's do let's just shut

749
00:35:56,623 --> 00:35:56,873
down the entire state of Florida

750
00:35:58,423 --> 00:35:58,673
so if you were to visit that

751
00:35:59,156 --> 00:35:59,406
website from a florida IP

752
00:36:00,923 --> 00:36:01,173
address it would just tell you

753
00:36:02,889 --> 00:36:03,139
you can't use the site at all

754
00:36:04,623 --> 00:36:04,873
because most people if they're

755
00:36:06,656 --> 00:36:06,906
watching pornography which

756
00:36:07,256 --> 00:36:07,506
personally I don't agree with

757
00:36:08,923 --> 00:36:09,173
but and for the sake of this

758
00:36:10,389 --> 00:36:10,639
conversation that's how how you

759
00:36:11,023 --> 00:36:11,273
know I gotta to speak on it

760
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:11,839
if

761
00:36:14,623 --> 00:36:14,873
if I were to go to pornhub.com,

762
00:36:16,389 --> 00:36:16,639
it would tell me I can't use the

763
00:36:18,656 --> 00:36:18,906
website and they chose to do

764
00:36:19,289 --> 00:36:19,539
that because the only

765
00:36:20,656 --> 00:36:20,906
alternative was you would have

766
00:36:24,389 --> 00:36:24,639
to upload youridD and and

767
00:36:25,123 --> 00:36:25,373
and verify that you're over 18

768
00:36:27,123 --> 00:36:27,373
years old with a pornography

769
00:36:28,656 --> 00:36:28,906
website that was storing your

770
00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:30,639
you know, your information so

771
00:36:31,156 --> 00:36:31,406
anyone that's looking at at that

772
00:36:34,389 --> 00:36:34,639
type of material I would assume

773
00:36:35,223 --> 00:36:35,473
wouldn't be you know they'd lose

774
00:36:36,889 --> 00:36:37,139
a lot of their user base because

775
00:36:38,389 --> 00:36:38,639
of that problem so they said you

776
00:36:39,156 --> 00:36:39,406
know what for Florida we're just

777
00:36:40,689 --> 00:36:40,939
gonna cut everybody off but

778
00:36:41,289 --> 00:36:41,539
people who have you know ways to

779
00:36:41,956 --> 00:36:42,206
work

780
00:36:44,623 --> 00:36:44,873
around anything so they you

781
00:36:45,189 --> 00:36:45,439
know they found ways around that

782
00:36:45,856 --> 00:36:46,106
as well

783
00:36:50,656 --> 00:36:50,906
thank you if you had to pose a

784
00:36:53,123 --> 00:36:53,373
recommendation of what to do

785
00:36:56,356 --> 00:36:56,606
what mechanism would be the best

786
00:37:00,389 --> 00:37:00,639
way to verify age and make it

787
00:37:00,989 --> 00:37:01,239
as as

788
00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:05,373
as secure for fraud prevention

789
00:37:06,856 --> 00:37:07,106
is possible for people that

790
00:37:09,089 --> 00:37:09,339
wanted to use Ai social

791
00:37:11,089 --> 00:37:11,339
companions could you offer a

792
00:37:11,756 --> 00:37:12,006
recommendation

793
00:37:16,656 --> 00:37:16,906
so so there there's a few things

794
00:37:18,389 --> 00:37:18,639
that I thought about and I can

795
00:37:19,023 --> 00:37:19,273
let me start with one that

796
00:37:20,889 --> 00:37:21,139
failed horribly which is oblox.

797
00:37:24,389 --> 00:37:24,639
Roblox tried to implement a

798
00:37:26,623 --> 00:37:26,873
an age verification via via live

799
00:37:28,923 --> 00:37:29,173
selfie or or a a photo so

800
00:37:30,656 --> 00:37:30,906
imagine standing in front of a

801
00:37:32,389 --> 00:37:32,639
camera like this with your face

802
00:37:33,156 --> 00:37:33,406
and it telling you to turn your

803
00:37:34,923 --> 00:37:35,173
head left, right up and down and

804
00:37:36,889 --> 00:37:37,139
then it takes a guess on what it

805
00:37:38,689 --> 00:37:38,939
thinks your age is so oblox

806
00:37:40,423 --> 00:37:40,673
implemented that feature which

807
00:37:41,189 --> 00:37:41,439
is the largest game for children

808
00:37:42,656 --> 00:37:42,906
if if anyone here is unaware

809
00:37:46,389 --> 00:37:46,639
they were able to you know they

810
00:37:47,156 --> 00:37:47,406
they were getting ages wildly

811
00:37:49,156 --> 00:37:49,406
wrong and then people started to

812
00:37:52,623 --> 00:37:52,873
sell aged accounts on eBay so

813
00:37:54,356 --> 00:37:54,606
that predators can say ok I'm

814
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:55,239
into 11 year olds 12 year olds

815
00:37:56,389 --> 00:37:56,639
13 year olds, four year olds and

816
00:37:57,156 --> 00:37:57,406
they were buying accounts that

817
00:37:58,623 --> 00:37:58,873
were already verified for

818
00:38:00,389 --> 00:38:00,639
children at whatever age that

819
00:38:02,389 --> 00:38:02,639
they would prefer. so that that

820
00:38:03,123 --> 00:38:03,373
that became a huge problem so

821
00:38:05,123 --> 00:38:05,373
that's in my opinion out of the

822
00:38:07,389 --> 00:38:07,639
question the only way that I

823
00:38:10,689 --> 00:38:10,939
can see this happening would be

824
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:12,873
if the child has some sort of ID

825
00:38:13,289 --> 00:38:13,539
whether it be a school ID

826
00:38:14,656 --> 00:38:14,906
a photo ID I believe

827
00:38:18,889 --> 00:38:19,139
that that you you said

828
00:38:21,123 --> 00:38:21,373
that we I'm sorry not we

829
00:38:23,123 --> 00:38:23,373
that that that your state issues

830
00:38:26,856 --> 00:38:27,106
Ids at age 14 but I don't

831
00:38:28,389 --> 00:38:28,639
know if what what year they get

832
00:38:29,156 --> 00:38:29,406
issued school Ids and in the

833
00:38:30,656 --> 00:38:30,906
event that they don't have

834
00:38:33,189 --> 00:38:33,439
school Ids my idea was that the

835
00:38:34,889 --> 00:38:35,139
parents are required toidD

836
00:38:36,689 --> 00:38:36,939
verify and then add their

837
00:38:38,656 --> 00:38:38,906
children underneath of them so

838
00:38:39,256 --> 00:38:39,506
there would be a parent and

839
00:38:40,923 --> 00:38:41,173
child account on these Ai

840
00:38:42,423 --> 00:38:42,673
platforms whether it be

841
00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:44,939
companion or just chatbot and

842
00:38:45,356 --> 00:38:45,606
then the parent is taking the

843
00:38:46,023 --> 00:38:46,273
respons

844
00:38:47,123 --> 00:38:47,373
ibility for whatever the child

845
00:38:47,789 --> 00:38:48,039
does on that application.

846
00:38:53,123 --> 00:38:53,373
thank you for that that's

847
00:38:53,656 --> 00:38:53,906
senator Hicks has a question

848
00:38:56,889 --> 00:38:57,139
thank you so much for joining us

849
00:38:58,889 --> 00:38:59,139
today. I appreciate your time

850
00:39:02,389 --> 00:39:02,639
with the parent child account

851
00:39:04,889 --> 00:39:05,139
framework. do you see that as a

852
00:39:06,889 --> 00:39:07,139
potential gateway into what

853
00:39:08,423 --> 00:39:08,673
we're seeing related to human

854
00:39:10,623 --> 00:39:10,873
trafficking that these might

855
00:39:12,656 --> 00:39:12,906
not actually be the parents of

856
00:39:14,389 --> 00:39:14,639
the children's accounts that

857
00:39:15,023 --> 00:39:15,273
they're setting up and that

858
00:39:16,889 --> 00:39:17,139
could potentially lead to more

859
00:39:18,656 --> 00:39:18,906
exploitation which is obviously

860
00:39:19,289 --> 00:39:19,539
what we're hoping to guard

861
00:39:19,856 --> 00:39:20,106
against.

862
00:39:23,156 --> 00:39:23,406
totally understand but you

863
00:39:25,123 --> 00:39:25,373
know the a different someone was

864
00:39:26,889 --> 00:39:27,139
let's say a human trafficker was

865
00:39:28,889 --> 00:39:29,139
trying to exploit victims they

866
00:39:30,656 --> 00:39:30,906
would just use ai that's free

867
00:39:32,623 --> 00:39:32,873
and openly accessible right now

868
00:39:33,423 --> 00:39:33,673
anyway so I don't think it

869
00:39:36,689 --> 00:39:36,939
would change the the already you

870
00:39:38,689 --> 00:39:38,939
know easily accessible issue

871
00:39:39,256 --> 00:39:39,506
that we have in front of us

872
00:39:46,856 --> 00:39:47,106
for example just just do a

873
00:39:49,123 --> 00:39:49,373
quick thing a kid regardless

874
00:39:52,389 --> 00:39:52,639
of of age verification in any

875
00:39:53,123 --> 00:39:53,373
state right now can just open up

876
00:39:54,389 --> 00:39:54,639
Snapchat they can open up

877
00:39:56,423 --> 00:39:56,673
Google, they can open up

878
00:39:58,623 --> 00:39:58,873
chatgpT Grok yeah you know I

879
00:40:00,623 --> 00:40:00,873
can name hund0 platforms and

880
00:40:02,389 --> 00:40:02,639
and ask the questions and maybe

881
00:40:04,389 --> 00:40:04,639
to get help with their maybe

882
00:40:04,956 --> 00:40:05,206
can help with their math

883
00:40:06,423 --> 00:40:06,673
homework or they could you

884
00:40:07,156 --> 00:40:07,406
know start talking about their

885
00:40:08,923 --> 00:40:09,173
mental health they could talk

886
00:40:10,423 --> 00:40:10,673
about something sexual they

887
00:40:11,156 --> 00:40:11,406
could say somebody you know that

888
00:40:11,789 --> 00:40:12,039
is older

889
00:40:14,656 --> 00:40:14,906
touched me and what should I do

890
00:40:15,323 --> 00:40:15,573
about it and and you have to

891
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:17,339
hope that that Ai agent responds

892
00:40:20,389 --> 00:40:20,639
you know the correct way which

893
00:40:21,089 --> 00:40:21,339
you know I think a lot of them

894
00:40:23,123 --> 00:40:23,373
would immediately but that

895
00:40:24,623 --> 00:40:24,873
could change depending on how

896
00:40:26,389 --> 00:40:26,639
the kid responds if you were

897
00:40:28,389 --> 00:40:28,639
to add some limitation let's say

898
00:40:30,389 --> 00:40:30,639
for a parent to upload theiridD

899
00:40:31,123 --> 00:40:31,373
whether that be a trafficker or

900
00:40:32,889 --> 00:40:33,139
a parent it's a they're still

901
00:40:34,856 --> 00:40:35,106
they they're now validating

902
00:40:36,889 --> 00:40:37,139
their identity and saying these

903
00:40:38,889 --> 00:40:39,139
children are my responsibility

904
00:40:41,156 --> 00:40:41,406
you know I I I think that

905
00:40:41,689 --> 00:40:41,939
without the parents

906
00:40:44,856 --> 00:40:45,106
having any you know I don't

907
00:40:45,423 --> 00:40:45,673
know if I'm wording this

908
00:40:46,856 --> 00:40:47,106
correctly but kids can use it

909
00:40:48,889 --> 00:40:49,139
publicly anyway and anonymously

910
00:40:50,856 --> 00:40:51,106
if if we take that away from

911
00:40:52,623 --> 00:40:52,873
them I don't see how personally

912
00:40:54,389 --> 00:40:54,639
that the traffickers could

913
00:40:55,023 --> 00:40:55,273
could create a worse problem

914
00:41:02,456 --> 00:41:02,706
thank you very much for for

915
00:41:03,023 --> 00:41:03,273
explaining that

916
00:41:10,423 --> 00:41:10,673
you you'd mentioned

917
00:41:14,389 --> 00:41:14,639
the the the variety of AI

918
00:41:16,823 --> 00:41:17,073
platforms that are out there

919
00:41:20,389 --> 00:41:20,639
and that they've all got tools

920
00:41:22,389 --> 00:41:22,639
in their various I use that word

921
00:41:25,323 --> 00:41:25,573
in air quotes where for that

922
00:41:26,623 --> 00:41:26,873
that could be used for either

923
00:41:27,323 --> 00:41:27,573
for good or for ill

924
00:41:32,623 --> 00:41:32,873
some of these things like they

925
00:41:34,656 --> 00:41:34,906
don't cost any money so can you

926
00:41:36,389 --> 00:41:36,639
expound on a little bit about

927
00:41:37,423 --> 00:41:37,673
what the motivation is

928
00:41:44,389 --> 00:41:44,639
for the Ai providers to engage

929
00:41:45,123 --> 00:41:45,373
with the with with us

930
00:41:50,623 --> 00:41:50,873
absolutely so so a lot of them

931
00:41:52,589 --> 00:41:52,839
are free and uhsnapchat being

932
00:41:54,423 --> 00:41:54,673
one of them it's completely free

933
00:41:55,189 --> 00:41:55,439
and a lot of them offer a free

934
00:41:56,889 --> 00:41:57,139
model so there's two things

935
00:41:58,889 --> 00:41:59,139
there. number one is they're

936
00:42:01,123 --> 00:42:01,373
trying to collect data to train

937
00:42:02,623 --> 00:42:02,873
their models on things that it's

938
00:42:04,889 --> 00:42:05,139
unaware of if all these

939
00:42:06,389 --> 00:42:06,639
companies are competing on who

940
00:42:08,389 --> 00:42:08,639
can create the best Ai model

941
00:42:10,623 --> 00:42:10,873
that has the most in parameters

942
00:42:12,656 --> 00:42:12,906
or the most information and

943
00:42:14,623 --> 00:42:14,873
and the reason why it's free for

944
00:42:16,389 --> 00:42:16,639
you know it's it's let's say you

945
00:42:17,089 --> 00:42:17,339
upload your bank statements or

946
00:42:17,756 --> 00:42:18,006
you up

947
00:42:20,589 --> 00:42:20,839
load a picture of your car or

948
00:42:22,623 --> 00:42:22,873
you ask you know you you put in

949
00:42:23,323 --> 00:42:23,573
something that it doesn't

950
00:42:24,889 --> 00:42:25,139
already know if if you

951
00:42:27,123 --> 00:42:27,373
haven't explicitly told that

952
00:42:28,656 --> 00:42:28,906
model that you don't want to

953
00:42:30,389 --> 00:42:30,639
share your information which you

954
00:42:31,156 --> 00:42:31,406
know some of them have that

955
00:42:32,856 --> 00:42:33,106
option some do not it's gonna

956
00:42:34,623 --> 00:42:34,873
utilize that information which

957
00:42:37,123 --> 00:42:37,373
data in2026 is money so that's

958
00:42:40,423 --> 00:42:40,673
one and the the second one is is

959
00:42:42,389 --> 00:42:42,639
to serve advertisements so you

960
00:42:43,156 --> 00:42:43,406
could go on chatgpT for example

961
00:42:46,689 --> 00:42:46,939
look up ads like chatgPT ads and

962
00:42:47,323 --> 00:42:47,573
I can run an ad for anyone that

963
00:42:48,923 --> 00:42:49,173
' s looking for let's say

964
00:42:51,123 --> 00:42:51,373
digital privacy to go to my my

965
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:53,339
platform pen tester and then

966
00:42:54,656 --> 00:42:54,906
when somebody goes on their

967
00:42:56,656 --> 00:42:56,906
chatgBT account I'm sorry not

968
00:42:58,389 --> 00:42:58,639
even an account a free chat and

969
00:42:59,156 --> 00:42:59,406
says hey what can I do about my

970
00:43:02,389 --> 00:43:02,639
digital footprint it will pop

971
00:43:04,389 --> 00:43:04,639
up with the penester.com link.

972
00:43:05,156 --> 00:43:05,406
they click that and then we

973
00:43:06,656 --> 00:43:06,906
would get charged as a company

974
00:43:08,923 --> 00:43:09,173
for that click so that's the two

975
00:43:10,423 --> 00:43:10,673
reasons why they would have free

976
00:43:12,623 --> 00:43:12,873
models. Snapchat doesn't to my

977
00:43:14,389 --> 00:43:14,639
knowledge does not have ads in

978
00:43:16,389 --> 00:43:16,639
their they're bot so I think the

979
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:17,339
only reason they would utilize

980
00:43:17,756 --> 00:43:18,006
that

981
00:43:18,723 --> 00:43:18,973
is for for is for data

982
00:43:19,289 --> 00:43:19,539
collection.

983
00:43:22,423 --> 00:43:22,673
Thank you

984
00:43:24,923 --> 00:43:25,173
can you speak a little bit about

985
00:43:28,656 --> 00:43:28,906
some of the I was lamenting

986
00:43:30,523 --> 00:43:30,773
with one of my peers this

987
00:43:32,389 --> 00:43:32,639
morning about the recent Supreme

988
00:43:34,623 --> 00:43:34,873
court ruling regarding Ai

989
00:43:37,123 --> 00:43:37,373
generated CSAM and the the

990
00:43:39,156 --> 00:43:39,406
dangers of protecting our kids

991
00:43:41,189 --> 00:43:41,439
against that and and some

992
00:43:44,923 --> 00:43:45,173
other deep fakes and and

993
00:43:45,456 --> 00:43:45,706
things like that

994
00:43:50,656 --> 00:43:50,906
so I've been working with like I

995
00:43:52,389 --> 00:43:52,639
saidentinel Foundation and

996
00:43:53,389 --> 00:43:53,639
various other agencies for a

997
00:43:56,656 --> 00:43:56,906
while now and if if you're if

998
00:43:58,656 --> 00:43:58,906
you're are not aware you can you

999
00:44:00,423 --> 00:44:00,673
can ask AI to generate images

1000
00:44:02,389 --> 00:44:02,639
and videos of anything and and

1001
00:44:02,989 --> 00:44:03,239
sometimes it can use reference

1002
00:44:04,889 --> 00:44:05,139
photos so for example if I took

1003
00:44:06,423 --> 00:44:06,673
a picture of someone in this in

1004
00:44:08,656 --> 00:44:08,906
this room and and I said hey

1005
00:44:10,656 --> 00:44:10,906
make them ride a jet ski in

1006
00:44:12,923 --> 00:44:13,173
Miami with a shark chasing them

1007
00:44:14,923 --> 00:44:15,173
it will generate that video or

1008
00:44:16,389 --> 00:44:16,639
if you want to be a photo it'll

1009
00:44:17,023 --> 00:44:17,273
do a pretty good job sometimes

1010
00:44:20,389 --> 00:44:20,639
indistinguishable from real life

1011
00:44:22,389 --> 00:44:22,639
and AI is only going to get

1012
00:44:23,323 --> 00:44:23,573
better from here. So up until

1013
00:44:25,089 --> 00:44:25,339
now the United States has been

1014
00:44:27,089 --> 00:44:27,339
treating ai generated child

1015
00:44:30,389 --> 00:44:30,639
sexual abuse material seeam as

1016
00:44:32,389 --> 00:44:32,639
as the as the same thing as

1017
00:44:33,156 --> 00:44:33,406
owning you know or owning

1018
00:44:35,089 --> 00:44:35,339
possessing manufacturing

1019
00:44:36,623 --> 00:44:36,873
distributing the you know the

1020
00:44:39,089 --> 00:44:39,339
real thing if an actual child

1021
00:44:41,123 --> 00:44:41,373
but recently there was a ruling

1022
00:44:43,089 --> 00:44:43,339
where possessing it was was

1023
00:44:45,123 --> 00:44:45,373
actually you know protected by

1024
00:44:46,623 --> 00:44:46,873
our first ammendment and you

1025
00:44:47,189 --> 00:44:47,439
know

1026
00:44:48,723 --> 00:44:48,973
distribution and and and

1027
00:44:52,389 --> 00:44:52,639
and manufacturing is still

1028
00:44:54,889 --> 00:44:55,139
illegal but possession is is is

1029
00:44:56,656 --> 00:44:56,906
technically legal I think it's

1030
00:44:58,389 --> 00:44:58,639
being challenged pretty heavily

1031
00:45:00,389 --> 00:45:00,639
but in my in my experience I

1032
00:45:02,389 --> 00:45:02,639
I've seen groups of over 30,000

1033
00:45:03,123 --> 00:45:03,373
I mean I have a video on the

1034
00:45:04,389 --> 00:45:04,639
internet right now that shows a

1035
00:45:06,389 --> 00:45:06,639
group of over 30,000 people that

1036
00:45:08,423 --> 00:45:08,673
are utilizing people's children

1037
00:45:10,389 --> 00:45:10,639
so let's say you just told you

1038
00:45:11,023 --> 00:45:11,273
know it's like you're not doing

1039
00:45:12,389 --> 00:45:12,639
this maliciously but as a parent

1040
00:45:13,123 --> 00:45:13,373
he posts a child to your photo

1041
00:45:14,856 --> 00:45:15,106
on instagram or Facebook or

1042
00:45:16,389 --> 00:45:16,639
whatever platform you use

1043
00:45:17,023 --> 00:45:17,273
your child is just you know

1044
00:45:18,689 --> 00:45:18,939
they're fully clothed they're

1045
00:45:19,356 --> 00:45:19,606
not certain doing anything

1046
00:45:19,889 --> 00:45:20,139
inappropriate

1047
00:45:21,423 --> 00:45:21,673
and these people let's say this

1048
00:45:24,389 --> 00:45:24,639
group of 30 it was 33,000 people

1049
00:45:25,123 --> 00:45:25,373
they find that photo, they

1050
00:45:28,856 --> 00:45:29,106
utilize ai to undress your child

1051
00:45:30,889 --> 00:45:31,139
and now they can make videos and

1052
00:45:33,123 --> 00:45:33,373
photos of of your child without

1053
00:45:34,889 --> 00:45:35,139
anyone's permission and now it's

1054
00:45:36,389 --> 00:45:36,639
protected by our first

1055
00:45:37,189 --> 00:45:37,439
ammendment they can possess it

1056
00:45:38,923 --> 00:45:39,173
they can't distribute it they

1057
00:45:40,389 --> 00:45:40,639
can't you know it's it's very

1058
00:45:42,656 --> 00:45:42,906
confusing and upsetting and

1059
00:45:43,256 --> 00:45:43,506
and there's a ton of people

1060
00:45:44,923 --> 00:45:45,173
abusing this and then lastly on

1061
00:45:46,656 --> 00:45:46,906
that for the people that have to

1062
00:45:48,656 --> 00:45:48,906
use software out there like you

1063
00:45:49,323 --> 00:45:49,573
know rpfi which is

1064
00:45:50,989 --> 00:45:51,239
which is how they tag and and

1065
00:45:51,656 --> 00:45:51,906
and

1066
00:45:56,389 --> 00:45:56,639
and index the seesam material

1067
00:45:58,356 --> 00:45:58,606
people have to identify is this

1068
00:46:00,356 --> 00:46:00,606
Ai generated is this an actual

1069
00:46:02,623 --> 00:46:02,873
human? is this is parts of

1070
00:46:03,323 --> 00:46:03,573
this real that this come from an

1071
00:46:05,089 --> 00:46:05,339
actual victim then this could

1072
00:46:07,089 --> 00:46:07,339
get completely generated from

1073
00:46:08,856 --> 00:46:09,106
from nothing but as I said

1074
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:11,339
earlier in this Ai can't do new

1075
00:46:13,089 --> 00:46:13,339
things it can't create its own

1076
00:46:14,889 --> 00:46:15,139
ideas so when it creates a face

1077
00:46:16,656 --> 00:46:16,906
or it creates a body part it's

1078
00:46:18,656 --> 00:46:18,906
utilizing things that it already

1079
00:46:20,656 --> 00:46:20,906
has in its database and and

1080
00:46:21,223 --> 00:46:21,473
maybe it's not an actual child

1081
00:46:21,889 --> 00:46:22,139
that it's using

1082
00:46:24,623 --> 00:46:24,873
as you know one individual child

1083
00:46:26,623 --> 00:46:26,873
but it's still creating that

1084
00:46:28,356 --> 00:46:28,606
image based on information about

1085
00:46:30,389 --> 00:46:30,639
a child. so there there's a lot

1086
00:46:32,389 --> 00:46:32,639
to be said about this but you

1087
00:46:33,289 --> 00:46:33,539
know it's very upsetting that

1088
00:46:34,856 --> 00:46:35,106
that that was you know that were

1089
00:46:36,656 --> 00:46:36,906
that that one thing is protected

1090
00:46:38,489 --> 00:46:38,739
now but it was not protected a

1091
00:46:39,123 --> 00:46:39,373
couple weeks ago.

1092
00:46:42,456 --> 00:46:42,706
Thank youator has a question

1093
00:46:45,156 --> 00:46:45,406
thanks Hamilton and I appreciate

1094
00:46:46,889 --> 00:46:47,139
you bringing the status this is

1095
00:46:48,889 --> 00:46:49,139
it's really frightening and

1096
00:46:50,623 --> 00:46:50,873
and the more we learn about it

1097
00:46:51,256 --> 00:46:51,506
the more frightening it seems to

1098
00:46:54,389 --> 00:46:54,639
me to be Mr Montgomery thank you

1099
00:46:55,089 --> 00:46:55,339
for your presentation. So

1100
00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:57,439
I'm curious from your

1101
00:46:58,689 --> 00:46:58,939
perspective what have other

1102
00:47:00,423 --> 00:47:00,673
states done when it comes to

1103
00:47:02,389 --> 00:47:02,639
putting some guard drls on some

1104
00:47:03,156 --> 00:47:03,406
of these things and one of my

1105
00:47:05,156 --> 00:47:05,406
concerns is as states take up

1106
00:47:06,923 --> 00:47:07,173
their own issues or put their

1107
00:47:08,456 --> 00:47:08,706
own guardrails on there we end

1108
00:47:09,189 --> 00:47:09,439
up with a patchwork of different

1109
00:47:12,656 --> 00:47:12,906
things from state to state so

1110
00:47:13,256 --> 00:47:13,506
that said do you see any

1111
00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:14,039
motivation from a federal

1112
00:47:16,423 --> 00:47:16,673
level on putting some guardrails

1113
00:47:17,156 --> 00:47:17,406
in here that would apply to all

1114
00:47:17,823 --> 00:47:18,073
states

1115
00:47:22,856 --> 00:47:23,106
yeah I don't know other

1116
00:47:24,589 --> 00:47:24,839
states that that have done

1117
00:47:26,389 --> 00:47:26,639
exactly what you guys are are

1118
00:47:27,323 --> 00:47:27,573
talking about here today and

1119
00:47:29,156 --> 00:47:29,406
I mean it more sorry being

1120
00:47:31,123 --> 00:47:31,373
more direct age verification

1121
00:47:34,389 --> 00:47:34,639
on Ai companions but I do

1122
00:47:35,123 --> 00:47:35,373
think that it it would it should

1123
00:47:36,856 --> 00:47:37,106
apply to all states and I think

1124
00:47:38,623 --> 00:47:38,873
it should extend past the

1125
00:47:40,423 --> 00:47:40,673
companion side of things I think

1126
00:47:42,423 --> 00:47:42,673
you know for example grokrok has

1127
00:47:43,156 --> 00:47:43,406
companions built into it they

1128
00:47:45,089 --> 00:47:45,339
are built to be sexual with you

1129
00:47:47,089 --> 00:47:47,339
immediately that's a that

1130
00:47:48,923 --> 00:47:49,173
that's you know that should be

1131
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:49,839
guarded by and eight

1132
00:47:52,856 --> 00:47:53,106
plus verification not just a a

1133
00:47:54,623 --> 00:47:54,873
screen that says how old are you

1134
00:47:56,389 --> 00:47:56,639
let me just you know, hope that

1135
00:47:57,089 --> 00:47:57,339
the person's telling the truth

1136
00:47:58,656 --> 00:47:58,906
because I was a kid once too and

1137
00:48:00,656 --> 00:48:00,906
I I lied you know but

1138
00:48:02,656 --> 00:48:02,906
whatever the case is I don't

1139
00:48:04,656 --> 00:48:04,906
believe any state is is doing

1140
00:48:06,656 --> 00:48:06,906
anything about this yet but I

1141
00:48:07,256 --> 00:48:07,506
think that they should per meet

1142
00:48:08,889 --> 00:48:09,139
my personal belief is that it

1143
00:48:10,889 --> 00:48:11,139
should apply to Ai in general. I

1144
00:48:12,656 --> 00:48:12,906
think that that the child should

1145
00:48:14,389 --> 00:48:14,639
need to be verified in some sort

1146
00:48:16,656 --> 00:48:16,906
of way whether that be

1147
00:48:17,156 --> 00:48:17,406
through the parent or through

1148
00:48:18,623 --> 00:48:18,873
some sort of other

1149
00:48:19,023 --> 00:48:19,273
identification because of

1150
00:48:23,089 --> 00:48:23,339
the volatility of an Ai agent

1151
00:48:25,156 --> 00:48:25,406
or or Ai assistant or AI

1152
00:48:28,623 --> 00:48:28,873
companion any any sort of Ai

1153
00:48:30,623 --> 00:48:30,873
a child can steer it in the

1154
00:48:32,389 --> 00:48:32,639
direction that it wants to go

1155
00:48:33,089 --> 00:48:33,339
and sometimes they may not even

1156
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:35,339
know what they're asking and

1157
00:48:37,089 --> 00:48:37,339
and then the Ai will come back

1158
00:48:38,889 --> 00:48:39,139
with something that maybe the

1159
00:48:39,489 --> 00:48:39,739
kid doesn't understand and then

1160
00:48:40,889 --> 00:48:41,139
it goes down a wormhole of

1161
00:48:42,889 --> 00:48:43,139
something that turns into

1162
00:48:44,389 --> 00:48:44,639
something inappropriate or

1163
00:48:44,989 --> 00:48:45,239
dangerous and and we've seen it

1164
00:48:46,889 --> 00:48:47,139
happen you know AI hasn't been

1165
00:48:48,956 --> 00:48:49,206
around that long and and we have

1166
00:48:49,623 --> 00:48:49,873
a bunch of kids that have killed

1167
00:48:50,289 --> 00:48:50,539
themselves

1168
00:48:51,156 --> 00:48:51,406
already and hurt other people

1169
00:48:52,889 --> 00:48:53,139
and and have done and hurt

1170
00:48:55,156 --> 00:48:55,406
animals and and you know learned

1171
00:48:56,623 --> 00:48:56,873
about sexual things that they

1172
00:48:57,356 --> 00:48:57,606
have no business learning about

1173
00:48:59,123 --> 00:48:59,373
I think that it's very

1174
00:49:00,889 --> 00:49:01,139
important that that you know

1175
00:49:02,856 --> 00:49:03,106
not only Oklahoma but all states

1176
00:49:04,623 --> 00:49:04,873
implement some type of

1177
00:49:06,489 --> 00:49:06,739
protection for for children

1178
00:49:07,023 --> 00:49:07,273
under the age of 18.

1179
00:49:10,856 --> 00:49:11,106
if I could follow up so yeah so

1180
00:49:12,856 --> 00:49:13,106
these companies that maybe

1181
00:49:14,389 --> 00:49:14,639
don't adhere to those guidelines

1182
00:49:15,089 --> 00:49:15,339
so what kind of penalties or

1183
00:49:16,856 --> 00:49:17,106
consequences would there be from

1184
00:49:19,089 --> 00:49:19,339
them? we we did a little bit

1185
00:49:20,589 --> 00:49:20,839
of the study a couple of years

1186
00:49:22,856 --> 00:49:23,106
ago and I think Utah has put had

1187
00:49:25,056 --> 00:49:25,306
some legislation in place for a

1188
00:49:26,656 --> 00:49:26,906
few years I think. So I'm

1189
00:49:28,389 --> 00:49:28,639
curious what kind of penalties

1190
00:49:29,023 --> 00:49:29,273
you would recommend or what kind

1191
00:49:30,389 --> 00:49:30,639
of penalties are out there in

1192
00:49:31,123 --> 00:49:31,373
place because what we saw from

1193
00:49:32,656 --> 00:49:32,906
some other states those

1194
00:49:34,389 --> 00:49:34,639
penalties really are

1195
00:49:36,389 --> 00:49:36,639
inconsequential to some of these

1196
00:49:37,123 --> 00:49:37,373
multibillion dollar companies

1197
00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:40,839
yeah that would be really tough,

1198
00:49:41,323 --> 00:49:41,573
you know that would be a tough

1199
00:49:42,856 --> 00:49:43,106
one for me to come up with

1200
00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:44,606
because there is no value on a

1201
00:49:46,389 --> 00:49:46,639
child's life and I and I

1202
00:49:46,989 --> 00:49:47,239
think that a company that

1203
00:49:50,656 --> 00:49:50,906
company that is making billions

1204
00:49:52,356 --> 00:49:52,606
of dollars which most of these

1205
00:49:54,356 --> 00:49:54,606
large ai companies are making

1206
00:49:56,823 --> 00:49:57,073
billions of dollars a year or a

1207
00:49:59,089 --> 00:49:59,339
some of them a month I think

1208
00:50:00,856 --> 00:50:01,106
that I think that the penalty

1209
00:50:02,589 --> 00:50:02,839
should be high and and I think

1210
00:50:04,589 --> 00:50:04,839
that it should it should be they

1211
00:50:06,389 --> 00:50:06,639
should be scared which requires

1212
00:50:09,323 --> 00:50:09,573
a large penalty and I I

1213
00:50:10,656 --> 00:50:10,906
don't know if that's if that is

1214
00:50:12,423 --> 00:50:12,673
just a civil thing or a criminal

1215
00:50:14,389 --> 00:50:14,639
thing I'm not a legal expert but

1216
00:50:15,156 --> 00:50:15,406
but I do know that that

1217
00:50:16,856 --> 00:50:17,106
children are being hurt and

1218
00:50:17,489 --> 00:50:17,739
somebody needs to do something

1219
00:50:18,123 --> 00:50:18,373
about it because

1220
00:50:20,389 --> 00:50:20,639
obviously what they're doing

1221
00:50:21,123 --> 00:50:21,373
isn't enough because money is

1222
00:50:22,623 --> 00:50:22,873
the motivator not not safety.

1223
00:50:28,623 --> 00:50:28,873
senator my research has

1224
00:50:30,389 --> 00:50:30,639
indicated that at the federal

1225
00:50:32,389 --> 00:50:32,639
level we've got to two notable

1226
00:50:34,389 --> 00:50:34,639
pieces of legislation one is the

1227
00:50:35,356 --> 00:50:35,606
hawley Blumenthal bill which is

1228
00:50:36,489 --> 00:50:36,739
kind of an Ai omnibus bill

1229
00:50:40,423 --> 00:50:40,673
and that comes through

1230
00:50:42,389 --> 00:50:42,639
the senate and then there's

1231
00:50:45,089 --> 00:50:45,339
another bill again in both

1232
00:50:47,123 --> 00:50:47,373
that's a the Hollley Blumenthal

1233
00:50:50,856 --> 00:50:51,106
bills a bipartisan thing with a

1234
00:50:52,423 --> 00:50:52,673
aub from Missouri and Democrat

1235
00:50:54,656 --> 00:50:54,906
from Illinois and then we've

1236
00:50:58,656 --> 00:50:58,906
got the the bill called

1237
00:51:01,123 --> 00:51:01,373
the Ai Kiw switch Act that's

1238
00:51:04,423 --> 00:51:04,673
run by a Democrat named Ted Lie

1239
00:51:06,723 --> 00:51:06,973
and a Texasub named Nathanielor

1240
00:51:10,856 --> 00:51:11,106
ran and what they're looking

1241
00:51:13,089 --> 00:51:13,339
to do is give a department of

1242
00:51:15,123 --> 00:51:15,373
Homeland Security the task to

1243
00:51:18,389 --> 00:51:18,639
monitor these things and there's

1244
00:51:19,189 --> 00:51:19,439
a there's a slew of provisions

1245
00:51:19,823 --> 00:51:20,073
in there

1246
00:51:23,323 --> 00:51:23,573
or conditions as it were that

1247
00:51:26,423 --> 00:51:26,673
would require these Ai

1248
00:51:28,889 --> 00:51:29,139
providers to shut down and

1249
00:51:30,856 --> 00:51:31,106
one of the big ones is something

1250
00:51:32,623 --> 00:51:32,873
that we've touched on but

1251
00:51:34,723 --> 00:51:34,973
haven't emphasized and that is

1252
00:51:35,389 --> 00:51:35,639
data security and privacy

1253
00:51:38,656 --> 00:51:38,906
so that when people's data is

1254
00:51:40,389 --> 00:51:40,639
compromised that Department of

1255
00:51:42,389 --> 00:51:42,639
Homeland Security could could

1256
00:51:44,656 --> 00:51:44,906
issue the the killw order

1257
00:51:46,856 --> 00:51:47,106
so to speak and require these

1258
00:51:48,656 --> 00:51:48,906
companies or the company that is

1259
00:51:50,889 --> 00:51:51,139
in question to shut down and the

1260
00:51:52,856 --> 00:51:53,106
fines that would be associated

1261
00:51:55,123 --> 00:51:55,373
with that one of them one of the

1262
00:51:58,623 --> 00:51:58,873
bullets lists20 million dollars

1263
00:51:59,323 --> 00:51:59,573
per day of noncompliance.

1264
00:52:05,256 --> 00:52:05,506
any other questions for

1265
00:52:06,923 --> 00:52:07,173
madam chairir, sorry

1266
00:52:12,389 --> 00:52:12,639
thank you senatorhamilton. Mr

1267
00:52:12,989 --> 00:52:13,239
Montgomery, thank you for

1268
00:52:14,389 --> 00:52:14,639
everything that you have shared

1269
00:52:16,389 --> 00:52:16,639
so far this morning. I'm struck

1270
00:52:19,123 --> 00:52:19,373
by when you started your sort

1271
00:52:21,123 --> 00:52:21,373
of story and started down this

1272
00:52:23,089 --> 00:52:23,339
path the thing that really I

1273
00:52:25,389 --> 00:52:25,639
think got you invested was a

1274
00:52:27,156 --> 00:52:27,406
bad guy behind the scenes on

1275
00:52:28,923 --> 00:52:29,173
that website and then you were

1276
00:52:30,656 --> 00:52:30,906
able to hack and then now here

1277
00:52:32,389 --> 00:52:32,639
we are I think about se years

1278
00:52:34,389 --> 00:52:34,639
later and we're dealing with Ai

1279
00:52:35,156 --> 00:52:35,406
and so we're not dealing with

1280
00:52:37,123 --> 00:52:37,373
humans really any longer

1281
00:52:40,923 --> 00:52:41,173
I guess my question would be

1282
00:52:46,856 --> 00:52:47,106
and I think both are bad but but

1283
00:52:48,856 --> 00:52:49,106
where are we headed I guess like

1284
00:52:50,856 --> 00:52:51,106
can you set the context or just

1285
00:52:52,623 --> 00:52:52,873
to get to the point what is the

1286
00:52:53,323 --> 00:52:53,573
thing that

1287
00:52:55,089 --> 00:52:55,339
keeps you up at night the most

1288
00:52:56,889 --> 00:52:57,139
and where we're going with how

1289
00:52:58,456 --> 00:52:58,706
challenging it is to protect our

1290
00:52:59,123 --> 00:52:59,373
kids online now.

1291
00:53:03,056 --> 00:53:03,306
so that with are do you mean

1292
00:53:06,356 --> 00:53:06,606
AI specifically or or altogether

1293
00:53:07,089 --> 00:53:07,339
for this question I want to

1294
00:53:07,656 --> 00:53:07,906
broaden it out to altogether

1295
00:53:12,623 --> 00:53:12,873
so so what would what keeps me

1296
00:53:14,456 --> 00:53:14,706
up at night is is the the

1297
00:53:17,123 --> 00:53:17,373
it it's actually probably not

1298
00:53:18,889 --> 00:53:19,139
exactly what you you might think

1299
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:19,839
but the the lack of

1300
00:53:22,389 --> 00:53:22,639
cybersecurity resources and

1301
00:53:23,156 --> 00:53:23,406
people working in child crimes

1302
00:53:24,856 --> 00:53:25,106
in the United States government

1303
00:53:26,856 --> 00:53:27,106
whether that be federal or local

1304
00:53:30,356 --> 00:53:30,606
the you know I believe it's69

1305
00:53:31,056 --> 00:53:31,306
internet crimes against

1306
00:53:32,389 --> 00:53:32,639
childrens locally in the entire

1307
00:53:34,656 --> 00:53:34,906
country there's there's not

1308
00:53:35,289 --> 00:53:35,539
many people out there that are

1309
00:53:38,389 --> 00:53:38,639
doing this specific work so yeah

1310
00:53:39,156 --> 00:53:39,406
we have we have people working

1311
00:53:40,889 --> 00:53:41,139
specifically child crimes but

1312
00:53:42,356 --> 00:53:42,606
unfortunately they're they're

1313
00:53:43,123 --> 00:53:43,373
super unequipped when it comes

1314
00:53:44,456 --> 00:53:44,706
to methodology tooling

1315
00:53:49,089 --> 00:53:49,339
platforms and just just

1316
00:53:52,656 --> 00:53:52,906
training so they I spend most

1317
00:53:54,656 --> 00:53:54,906
of my days working with agencies

1318
00:53:56,389 --> 00:53:56,639
and departments to to get them

1319
00:53:57,123 --> 00:53:57,373
up to speed but I'm just one guy

1320
00:54:00,389 --> 00:54:00,639
so I that keeps me up at night

1321
00:54:01,123 --> 00:54:01,373
personally because I know that

1322
00:54:02,889 --> 00:54:03,139
more can be done by law

1323
00:54:04,623 --> 00:54:04,873
enforcement and and we could

1324
00:54:05,223 --> 00:54:05,473
be arresting more of the bad

1325
00:54:08,389 --> 00:54:08,639
guys but I also believe that

1326
00:54:09,123 --> 00:54:09,373
preventing it from happening in

1327
00:54:10,923 --> 00:54:11,173
the first place is the preferred

1328
00:54:12,923 --> 00:54:13,173
outcome in my opinion. so a a

1329
00:54:13,523 --> 00:54:13,773
child has already been

1330
00:54:14,489 --> 00:54:14,739
victimized is now traumatized

1331
00:54:17,089 --> 00:54:17,339
for life. yeah of course we want

1332
00:54:18,856 --> 00:54:19,106
the guy arrested we want the guy

1333
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:20,673
you know even worse some you

1334
00:54:21,189 --> 00:54:21,439
know to some degree in my

1335
00:54:22,923 --> 00:54:23,173
opinion but you know whatever

1336
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:23,839
the case may be

1337
00:54:26,456 --> 00:54:26,706
you know these these

1338
00:54:29,289 --> 00:54:29,539
these these children they if if

1339
00:54:31,089 --> 00:54:31,339
they could be prevent if if we

1340
00:54:32,823 --> 00:54:33,073
could do something that prevents

1341
00:54:33,489 --> 00:54:33,739
them from

1342
00:54:36,623 --> 00:54:36,873
being hurt in the first place

1343
00:54:37,356 --> 00:54:37,606
which maybe that's age

1344
00:54:38,889 --> 00:54:39,139
verification maybe it's

1345
00:54:40,689 --> 00:54:40,939
something else or maybe it's a

1346
00:54:42,689 --> 00:54:42,939
more law enforcement presence or

1347
00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:44,906
maybe it's it's implementing

1348
00:54:46,889 --> 00:54:47,139
these20 million dollars a day

1349
00:54:48,389 --> 00:54:48,639
for being out of compliance

1350
00:54:49,156 --> 00:54:49,406
maybe you know whatever it is

1351
00:54:50,423 --> 00:54:50,673
that's gonna work or multiples

1352
00:54:51,189 --> 00:54:51,439
of those things that's what I

1353
00:54:54,389 --> 00:54:54,639
think is is the most valuable

1354
00:54:55,123 --> 00:54:55,373
and the reason I say that is not

1355
00:54:57,123 --> 00:54:57,373
only just my thoughts it's

1356
00:54:58,923 --> 00:54:59,173
because you know I'm technically

1357
00:55:00,889 --> 00:55:01,139
a quote unquote content creator

1358
00:55:02,689 --> 00:55:02,939
and half of what my content

1359
00:55:03,223 --> 00:55:03,473
is about is about child crimes

1360
00:55:07,123 --> 00:55:07,373
and and and and you know

1361
00:55:08,723 --> 00:55:08,973
counter human trafficking and a

1362
00:55:10,423 --> 00:55:10,673
lot of parents you know that

1363
00:55:12,389 --> 00:55:12,639
I've I've realized over the the

1364
00:55:13,156 --> 00:55:13,406
years now I have people reaching

1365
00:55:14,656 --> 00:55:14,906
out to me constantly thro

1366
00:55:16,389 --> 00:55:16,639
through the internet you know

1367
00:55:17,189 --> 00:55:17,439
and and when I say constant I

1368
00:55:18,889 --> 00:55:19,139
mean thousands and thousands of

1369
00:55:20,423 --> 00:55:20,673
emails and direct messages a day

1370
00:55:22,656 --> 00:55:22,906
from parents with cases with

1371
00:55:24,423 --> 00:55:24,673
information with with you know

1372
00:55:25,189 --> 00:55:25,439
obviously people telling me that

1373
00:55:26,656 --> 00:55:26,906
they got their children off of

1374
00:55:28,389 --> 00:55:28,639
these apps or they stopped the

1375
00:55:28,989 --> 00:55:29,239
situation because it's something

1376
00:55:30,889 --> 00:55:31,139
they learned in a video that I

1377
00:55:32,923 --> 00:55:33,173
put out as well as walking

1378
00:55:33,456 --> 00:55:33,706
around in public running into

1379
00:55:34,123 --> 00:55:34,373
parents

1380
00:55:36,623 --> 00:55:36,873
and hey thank you so much I got

1381
00:55:37,389 --> 00:55:37,639
my child off of blah blah blah

1382
00:55:38,689 --> 00:55:38,939
blah blah this is something like

1383
00:55:40,923 --> 00:55:41,173
this happened to them so if I'm

1384
00:55:42,656 --> 00:55:42,906
seeing these kids with

1385
00:55:43,123 --> 00:55:43,373
their parents or their parents

1386
00:55:44,923 --> 00:55:45,173
by themselves and they're

1387
00:55:46,889 --> 00:55:47,139
telling me you stop from just at

1388
00:55:48,856 --> 00:55:49,106
me one random computer nerd in

1389
00:55:51,156 --> 00:55:51,406
Florida. I helped them get

1390
00:55:52,656 --> 00:55:52,906
their kid off an application

1391
00:55:54,423 --> 00:55:54,673
where they were being groomed or

1392
00:55:55,156 --> 00:55:55,406
or potentially exploited or

1393
00:55:58,389 --> 00:55:58,639
almost at that stage and I'm

1394
00:55:59,156 --> 00:55:59,406
just running into it by

1395
00:56:00,923 --> 00:56:01,173
chance.hink of the volume of the

1396
00:56:02,423 --> 00:56:02,673
problem for real, you know

1397
00:56:02,923 --> 00:56:03,173
because if I'm just running and

1398
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:03,839
I'm not saying this is a one off

1399
00:56:06,389 --> 00:56:06,639
situation this happens to me

1400
00:56:07,356 --> 00:56:07,606
multiple times, sometimes a day,

1401
00:56:08,923 --> 00:56:09,173
sometimes and you know a lot of

1402
00:56:10,656 --> 00:56:10,906
times in a week when I'm out in

1403
00:56:12,923 --> 00:56:13,173
public so that's why I say

1404
00:56:14,389 --> 00:56:14,639
preventing it I believe is the

1405
00:56:16,656 --> 00:56:16,906
best the the best possible

1406
00:56:18,389 --> 00:56:18,639
solution if we can you know

1407
00:56:18,989 --> 00:56:19,239
obviously we're not going to

1408
00:56:20,656 --> 00:56:20,906
prevent00% of it but but

1409
00:56:22,456 --> 00:56:22,706
arresting and being being

1410
00:56:24,889 --> 00:56:25,139
proactive instead of reactive I

1411
00:56:27,123 --> 00:56:27,373
think it is the more favorable

1412
00:56:28,489 --> 00:56:28,739
situation but you know

1413
00:56:30,889 --> 00:56:31,139
I'm no lawmaker I've never been

1414
00:56:32,656 --> 00:56:32,906
in a meeting like this before

1415
00:56:34,389 --> 00:56:34,639
but I I definitely I

1416
00:56:36,623 --> 00:56:36,873
definitely know that not

1417
00:56:38,389 --> 00:56:38,639
creating victims in the first

1418
00:56:39,123 --> 00:56:39,373
place is the is what I would

1419
00:56:39,756 --> 00:56:40,006
prefer if I had my my choice

1420
00:56:44,823 --> 00:56:45,073
you think that's really helpful

1421
00:56:47,123 --> 00:56:47,373
especially as states are

1422
00:56:50,389 --> 00:56:50,639
grappling with large settlements

1423
00:56:52,389 --> 00:56:52,639
that were announced a couple of

1424
00:56:54,623 --> 00:56:54,873
weeks ago and so I know I'm

1425
00:56:56,623 --> 00:56:56,873
having conversations trying

1426
00:56:58,389 --> 00:56:58,639
to determine the best way to use

1427
00:57:00,389 --> 00:57:00,639
that those funds and the

1428
00:57:00,989 --> 00:57:01,239
responsible way

1429
00:57:02,856 --> 00:57:03,106
to do that to make sure yeah

1430
00:57:05,156 --> 00:57:05,406
that we prevent but also we we

1431
00:57:08,356 --> 00:57:08,606
go after the bad actors as well.

1432
00:57:10,623 --> 00:57:10,873
Last question I'll ask you

1433
00:57:11,423 --> 00:57:11,673
from my perspective there

1434
00:57:11,956 --> 00:57:12,206
have

1435
00:57:16,389 --> 00:57:16,639
been I think as of late the last

1436
00:57:17,189 --> 00:57:17,439
couple of weeks we've seen

1437
00:57:20,889 --> 00:57:21,139
this is just more of a broader

1438
00:57:22,623 --> 00:57:22,873
question on Ai as this committee

1439
00:57:24,656 --> 00:57:24,906
sort of tries to grapple with

1440
00:57:26,623 --> 00:57:26,873
how things are moving so quickly

1441
00:57:28,623 --> 00:57:28,873
we've seen some whistleblowers

1442
00:57:30,589 --> 00:57:30,839
we've seen from some large

1443
00:57:32,823 --> 00:57:33,073
companies kind of very concerned

1444
00:57:34,423 --> 00:57:34,673
about the direction that we're

1445
00:57:36,423 --> 00:57:36,673
going and I just wondered if

1446
00:57:37,023 --> 00:57:37,273
you had any thoughts that you

1447
00:57:38,389 --> 00:57:38,639
would liked again we're

1448
00:57:40,389 --> 00:57:40,639
lawmakers trying to who are not

1449
00:57:41,189 --> 00:57:41,439
in this space at all just sort

1450
00:57:42,656 --> 00:57:42,906
of understand where we're headed

1451
00:57:43,323 --> 00:57:43,573
and what frontier we're going

1452
00:57:43,989 --> 00:57:44,239
towards.

1453
00:57:48,589 --> 00:57:48,839
So I mean the the only thing

1454
00:57:50,623 --> 00:57:50,873
that that come to mind off

1455
00:57:52,623 --> 00:57:52,873
the top of the head it would be

1456
00:57:54,889 --> 00:57:55,139
just the safety and guardrails

1457
00:57:56,656 --> 00:57:56,906
need to be heavily modified to

1458
00:57:58,389 --> 00:57:58,639
determine if they're talking

1459
00:58:00,389 --> 00:58:00,639
with a child or not. it's

1460
00:58:01,123 --> 00:58:01,373
it's impossible for me to know

1461
00:58:02,856 --> 00:58:03,106
what each company has

1462
00:58:04,656 --> 00:58:04,906
implemented with their their

1463
00:58:06,889 --> 00:58:07,139
safety guardrails so if if

1464
00:58:07,523 --> 00:58:07,773
anyone here isn't familiar with

1465
00:58:10,189 --> 00:58:10,439
what that means it's just a a

1466
00:58:12,923 --> 00:58:13,173
prompt that that so

1467
00:58:14,423 --> 00:58:14,673
sorry if I'm explaining

1468
00:58:14,923 --> 00:58:15,173
something you guys already know

1469
00:58:15,556 --> 00:58:15,806
but

1470
00:58:18,389 --> 00:58:18,639
if you go on chatgpT for example

1471
00:58:19,123 --> 00:58:19,373
using them as the example and

1472
00:58:20,889 --> 00:58:21,139
say I want to learn how to

1473
00:58:22,389 --> 00:58:22,639
make chocolate chip cookies.

1474
00:58:24,656 --> 00:58:24,906
it's gonna read this very very

1475
00:58:26,623 --> 00:58:26,873
long let's say it's 300,0an0

1476
00:58:28,623 --> 00:58:28,873
words it's gonna read this very

1477
00:58:29,256 --> 00:58:29,506
long thing that says this is

1478
00:58:31,156 --> 00:58:31,406
exactly what you can do this is

1479
00:58:32,623 --> 00:58:32,873
how you're gonna word it, this

1480
00:58:33,256 --> 00:58:33,506
is the personality that you're

1481
00:58:34,923 --> 00:58:35,173
gonna take on and here's all the

1482
00:58:36,389 --> 00:58:36,639
thing here's all the tools you

1483
00:58:38,389 --> 00:58:38,639
have access to and here's the a

1484
00:58:39,123 --> 00:58:39,373
huge list of things that you

1485
00:58:41,189 --> 00:58:41,439
can't do. that's the safety

1486
00:58:42,956 --> 00:58:43,206
and guardrails that Ai has right

1487
00:58:44,689 --> 00:58:44,939
now because without that it

1488
00:58:45,256 --> 00:58:45,506
would be it would do

1489
00:58:46,889 --> 00:58:47,139
whatever you asked if you asked

1490
00:58:48,656 --> 00:58:48,906
to make a bioeapon it would make

1491
00:58:49,356 --> 00:58:49,606
a bioeapon and you know and and

1492
00:58:49,989 --> 00:58:50,239
you you know

1493
00:58:52,856 --> 00:58:53,106
you can put put together the

1494
00:58:56,389 --> 00:58:56,639
rest yourself we need those

1495
00:58:57,089 --> 00:58:57,339
guardrails that and all the

1496
00:58:58,889 --> 00:58:59,139
companies have them you know and

1497
00:58:59,589 --> 00:58:59,839
and some of them do better than

1498
00:59:00,623 --> 00:59:00,873
others obviouslybviously we're

1499
00:59:02,623 --> 00:59:02,873
hearing that character.ai at

1500
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:05,139
least publicly is doing a bad

1501
00:59:06,889 --> 00:59:07,139
job at least in my opinion with

1502
00:59:08,623 --> 00:59:08,873
their with their guardrails.

1503
00:59:09,223 --> 00:59:09,473
kidsds are killing themselves

1504
00:59:11,356 --> 00:59:11,606
they they're role playing as you

1505
00:59:12,656 --> 00:59:12,906
know as their boyfriends

1506
00:59:14,756 --> 00:59:15,006
girlfriends wives whatever it

1507
00:59:15,423 --> 00:59:15,673
may be and

1508
00:59:18,389 --> 00:59:18,639
and and you know resulting in in

1509
00:59:20,389 --> 00:59:20,639
horrible things and and I truly

1510
00:59:21,023 --> 00:59:21,273
believe a lot more of it's

1511
00:59:22,889 --> 00:59:23,139
happening than we know we're

1512
00:59:24,389 --> 00:59:24,639
only hearing about what is

1513
00:59:24,989 --> 00:59:25,239
publicly out there, what parents

1514
00:59:26,623 --> 00:59:26,873
have reported, what parents have

1515
00:59:27,389 --> 00:59:27,639
caught and on their child's

1516
00:59:28,923 --> 00:59:29,173
phone maybe the kid hasn't even

1517
00:59:30,656 --> 00:59:30,906
came forward to their parents

1518
00:59:32,623 --> 00:59:32,873
about it and you know god

1519
00:59:34,423 --> 00:59:34,673
forbid a kid hurt themselves and

1520
00:59:36,389 --> 00:59:36,639
the parent never found out why

1521
00:59:37,089 --> 00:59:37,339
we there's there are

1522
00:59:38,623 --> 00:59:38,873
unfortunately I think there's

1523
00:59:39,389 --> 00:59:39,639
plenty of those cases out there

1524
00:59:40,923 --> 00:59:41,173
if we already are dealing with I

1525
00:59:42,923 --> 00:59:43,173
believe it's7 that I that I read

1526
00:59:43,656 --> 00:59:43,906
off earlier

1527
00:59:46,856 --> 00:59:47,106
I I think that that would be my

1528
00:59:48,623 --> 00:59:48,873
first step if if there wasn't

1529
00:59:50,423 --> 00:59:50,673
age verification if I'm sorry if

1530
00:59:51,123 --> 00:59:51,373
there weren't age verification

1531
00:59:54,689 --> 00:59:54,939
then trying to work with

1532
00:59:58,389 --> 00:59:58,639
teams that s specifically are

1533
00:59:59,156 --> 00:59:59,406
trying to protect the safety of

1534
01:00:01,156 --> 01:00:01,406
children through the guardrails

1535
01:00:03,189 --> 01:00:03,439
and safety prompts that are

1536
01:00:05,423 --> 01:00:05,673
built into these pros and that

1537
01:00:07,156 --> 01:00:07,406
is their sole sole job at that

1538
01:00:08,923 --> 01:00:09,173
company or partnership with that

1539
01:00:10,923 --> 01:00:11,173
company is to help them identify

1540
01:00:12,623 --> 01:00:12,873
their speaking with a child and

1541
01:00:14,389 --> 01:00:14,639
how to respond to the child no

1542
01:00:16,623 --> 01:00:16,873
matter what that child says and

1543
01:00:18,689 --> 01:00:18,939
and and obviously we're the

1544
01:00:19,223 --> 01:00:19,473
you know the companies out there

1545
01:00:19,889 --> 01:00:20,139
are failing at this

1546
01:00:26,889 --> 01:00:27,139
there are any other questions

1547
01:00:27,556 --> 01:00:27,806
for Mr Montgomery

1548
01:00:32,656 --> 01:00:32,906
right. Ryan thank you very

1549
01:00:34,389 --> 01:00:34,639
much for your time. I don't

1550
01:00:36,389 --> 01:00:36,639
want to run you off so you're

1551
01:00:38,389 --> 01:00:38,639
very welcome to continue to stay

1552
01:00:40,623 --> 01:00:40,873
and participate in the study

1553
01:00:42,623 --> 01:00:42,873
but I've asked the honorable

1554
01:00:46,623 --> 01:00:46,873
Mr Gum to to present a

1555
01:00:48,656 --> 01:00:48,906
more local take on things so I'm

1556
01:00:50,889 --> 01:00:51,139
gonna turn the floor over to him

1557
01:00:54,389 --> 01:00:54,639
right now so thank you very much

1558
01:00:55,389 --> 01:00:55,639
keep fighting the good fight I

1559
01:00:56,056 --> 01:00:56,306
really appreciate you being here

1560
01:00:59,123 --> 01:00:59,373
thank you I appreciate you guys

1561
01:01:01,089 --> 01:01:01,339
having me and and I apologize

1562
01:01:02,856 --> 01:01:03,106
for you know not being the

1563
01:01:04,856 --> 01:01:05,106
greatest public speaker or I

1564
01:01:06,623 --> 01:01:06,873
just you know like I said'm a

1565
01:01:08,389 --> 01:01:08,639
computer nerd a computer hacker

1566
01:01:09,089 --> 01:01:09,339
whatever you want to call me I

1567
01:01:10,856 --> 01:01:11,106
care a ton about child safety

1568
01:01:12,856 --> 01:01:13,106
and you I hope that I was

1569
01:01:14,589 --> 01:01:14,839
able to explain it in a way that

1570
01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:16,839
made sense and and understand

1571
01:01:17,356 --> 01:01:17,606
that everyone here understands

1572
01:01:20,689 --> 01:01:20,939
the importance of of how Ai

1573
01:01:22,889 --> 01:01:23,139
needs to be regulated this in

1574
01:01:24,389 --> 01:01:24,639
some way whether that be on the

1575
01:01:26,389 --> 01:01:26,639
company level or or a legal

1576
01:01:26,956 --> 01:01:27,206
level because kids are

1577
01:01:29,123 --> 01:01:29,373
being hurt and and being taken

1578
01:01:31,089 --> 01:01:31,339
advantage of and exploited and

1579
01:01:34,356 --> 01:01:34,606
and we we as you know as

1580
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:35,339
people that care need to do

1581
01:01:36,889 --> 01:01:37,139
something about it and that's a

1582
01:01:38,589 --> 01:01:38,839
that's all I appreciate you guys

1583
01:01:39,256 --> 01:01:39,506
hearing me out. I hope you have

1584
01:01:39,923 --> 01:01:40,173
an awesome week.

1585
01:01:41,223 --> 01:01:41,473
Thank you

1586
01:01:48,389 --> 01:01:48,639
so the next presenter that we

1587
01:01:50,389 --> 01:01:50,639
have is the honorable J Paul

1588
01:01:52,656 --> 01:01:52,906
Gum. He is the communications

1589
01:01:54,623 --> 01:01:54,873
director for the Oklahoma

1590
01:01:57,356 --> 01:01:57,606
institute of Child advocacy and

1591
01:01:59,123 --> 01:01:59,373
I really appreciate you being

1592
01:02:00,623 --> 01:02:00,873
here today and appreciate the

1593
01:02:02,623 --> 01:02:02,873
work that you do protecting

1594
01:02:04,623 --> 01:02:04,873
Oklahoma's children and with

1595
01:02:06,623 --> 01:02:06,873
that the floor is yours sir

1596
01:02:08,356 --> 01:02:08,606
thank you senator madam chairman

1597
01:02:09,089 --> 01:02:09,339
members thank you so much for

1598
01:02:10,889 --> 01:02:11,139
giving OICA the opportunity to

1599
01:02:12,889 --> 01:02:13,139
weigh in on this let me begin by

1600
01:02:14,389 --> 01:02:14,639
giving you a bit of a history

1601
01:02:15,056 --> 01:02:15,306
lesson about OICA

1602
01:02:18,389 --> 01:02:18,639
we were created in 1983 in the

1603
01:02:19,123 --> 01:02:19,373
wake of probably one of the

1604
01:02:21,156 --> 01:02:21,406
worst child abuse scandals in

1605
01:02:22,856 --> 01:02:23,106
state's history and that was

1606
01:02:26,356 --> 01:02:26,606
with DHS and the problems

1607
01:02:27,389 --> 01:02:27,639
that with children in and

1608
01:02:30,423 --> 01:02:30,673
juvenile care the decision

1609
01:02:31,123 --> 01:02:31,373
was made at the time to create

1610
01:02:33,123 --> 01:02:33,373
two different entities one a

1611
01:02:36,389 --> 01:02:36,639
state entity to operate to

1612
01:02:38,623 --> 01:02:38,873
prevent it from inside that kind

1613
01:02:40,389 --> 01:02:40,639
of abuse to ever occur again.

1614
01:02:42,656 --> 01:02:42,906
OICA was created to be the

1615
01:02:44,656 --> 01:02:44,906
outside watchdog to speak to

1616
01:02:45,256 --> 01:02:45,506
issues

1617
01:02:48,689 --> 01:02:48,939
of legislation of regulation and

1618
01:02:50,423 --> 01:02:50,673
that sort of thing and we are

1619
01:02:51,089 --> 01:02:51,339
independent we get no state

1620
01:02:51,656 --> 01:02:51,906
money we are

1621
01:02:54,623 --> 01:02:54,873
operated solely on donor dollars

1622
01:02:56,656 --> 01:02:56,906
and what we can raise through

1623
01:02:57,356 --> 01:02:57,606
our events like the heroes ball

1624
01:02:59,123 --> 01:02:59,373
and our fall forum and the chili

1625
01:03:00,623 --> 01:03:00,873
cook off and all the things you

1626
01:03:02,623 --> 01:03:02,873
see us do that gives us an

1627
01:03:04,856 --> 01:03:05,106
independence to be able to speak

1628
01:03:07,123 --> 01:03:07,373
on issues to you and to the

1629
01:03:10,423 --> 01:03:10,673
public on what we think is

1630
01:03:11,023 --> 01:03:11,273
necessary to improve the quality

1631
01:03:12,656 --> 01:03:12,906
of life for Oklahoma's children

1632
01:03:14,889 --> 01:03:15,139
so that's where we come from and

1633
01:03:15,556 --> 01:03:15,806
how we hope to approach

1634
01:03:16,089 --> 01:03:16,339
things

1635
01:03:18,523 --> 01:03:18,773
let's see here

1636
01:03:26,689 --> 01:03:26,939
all righty Ai is a tool it's

1637
01:03:28,423 --> 01:03:28,673
like any other tool that's out

1638
01:03:29,156 --> 01:03:29,406
there it can be used for good or

1639
01:03:32,656 --> 01:03:32,906
it can be used for evil it is

1640
01:03:36,389 --> 01:03:36,639
moving at warp speed and things

1641
01:03:37,423 --> 01:03:37,673
happen very quickly as a matter

1642
01:03:39,156 --> 01:03:39,406
of fact the landscape changed a

1643
01:03:40,923 --> 01:03:41,173
little bit from the time we

1644
01:03:43,156 --> 01:03:43,406
locked thisowPoint on Thursday

1645
01:03:46,623 --> 01:03:46,873
to today but the concerns

1646
01:03:48,389 --> 01:03:48,639
that we have are those that

1647
01:03:49,123 --> 01:03:49,373
we've heard shared already here

1648
01:03:51,189 --> 01:03:51,439
today the generative image tools

1649
01:03:52,689 --> 01:03:52,939
can take real photos and turn

1650
01:03:53,356 --> 01:03:53,606
them into something

1651
01:03:54,923 --> 01:03:55,173
that is just flat wrong

1652
01:03:57,123 --> 01:03:57,373
and then social media

1653
01:04:00,389 --> 01:04:00,639
integration is something else

1654
01:04:02,423 --> 01:04:02,673
kidsd are on social media that

1655
01:04:03,123 --> 01:04:03,373
the toothpaste is out of the

1656
01:04:04,889 --> 01:04:05,139
tube they're not the kids aren't

1657
01:04:06,856 --> 01:04:07,106
coming off social media but that

1658
01:04:09,089 --> 01:04:09,339
is giving access to children to

1659
01:04:10,889 --> 01:04:11,139
those who might not have the

1660
01:04:11,489 --> 01:04:11,739
best intentions of them

1661
01:04:14,923 --> 01:04:15,173
and existing legal frameworks

1662
01:04:16,623 --> 01:04:16,873
designed for traditional imagery

1663
01:04:17,356 --> 01:04:17,606
failed to address the automated

1664
01:04:17,989 --> 01:04:18,239
generation

1665
01:04:20,856 --> 01:04:21,106
and facilitator negligence or

1666
01:04:21,456 --> 01:04:21,706
mal intent

1667
01:04:26,389 --> 01:04:26,639
now our friend Mr Musk has gone

1668
01:04:28,856 --> 01:04:29,106
front in the last 96 hours from

1669
01:04:30,889 --> 01:04:31,139
saying it needs to continue Ai

1670
01:04:32,656 --> 01:04:32,906
growing and expanding just

1671
01:04:34,389 --> 01:04:34,639
exactly the way it always has to

1672
01:04:36,656 --> 01:04:36,906
now he's beginning to suggest

1673
01:04:37,356 --> 01:04:37,606
that maybe we need to slow

1674
01:04:37,923 --> 01:04:38,173
things down a bit

1675
01:04:42,389 --> 01:04:42,639
but his grok and his exAi

1676
01:04:44,623 --> 01:04:44,873
platform are directly integrated

1677
01:04:46,389 --> 01:04:46,639
into one of the social media

1678
01:04:47,123 --> 01:04:47,373
platforms that's most popular

1679
01:04:49,456 --> 01:04:49,706
and that's and that allows users

1680
01:04:51,156 --> 01:04:51,406
to take ordinary public photos

1681
01:04:54,623 --> 01:04:54,873
and do bad things with them

1682
01:04:58,389 --> 01:04:58,639
so we need to make certain that

1683
01:05:00,389 --> 01:05:00,639
criminal imagery is not being

1684
01:05:02,389 --> 01:05:02,639
created of our children through

1685
01:05:04,389 --> 01:05:04,639
these different platforms the

1686
01:05:06,889 --> 01:05:07,139
Ai tool was natively embedded in

1687
01:05:07,623 --> 01:05:07,873
the social networks so it is as

1688
01:05:08,289 --> 01:05:08,539
much a part of it

1689
01:05:12,389 --> 01:05:12,639
as the 140 characters you have

1690
01:05:14,456 --> 01:05:14,706
so it's an area of particular

1691
01:05:15,123 --> 01:05:15,373
concern

1692
01:05:20,389 --> 01:05:20,639
Grok did acknowledge there were

1693
01:05:21,156 --> 01:05:21,406
some problem lapses and

1694
01:05:22,856 --> 01:05:23,106
safeguards was the euphemistic

1695
01:05:24,856 --> 01:05:25,106
term they used so they threw in

1696
01:05:26,389 --> 01:05:26,639
some patches to try to create a

1697
01:05:28,389 --> 01:05:28,639
zero tolerance policy the

1698
01:05:30,389 --> 01:05:30,639
problem is they're basic kid

1699
01:05:32,623 --> 01:05:32,873
mode can be easily bypassed by

1700
01:05:36,389 --> 01:05:36,639
even young people so again what

1701
01:05:37,023 --> 01:05:37,273
we're seeing in the industry is

1702
01:05:38,656 --> 01:05:38,906
we're not seeing enough of the

1703
01:05:40,923 --> 01:05:41,173
safeguards being built in and so

1704
01:05:44,389 --> 01:05:44,639
there needs to be some kind of

1705
01:05:45,023 --> 01:05:45,273
incentive or to

1706
01:05:48,689 --> 01:05:48,939
put the safeguards in or

1707
01:05:50,656 --> 01:05:50,906
disincentive to not have those

1708
01:05:51,323 --> 01:05:51,573
safeguards

1709
01:05:56,389 --> 01:05:56,639
AP has looked into this and it

1710
01:05:58,389 --> 01:05:58,639
sees that rok images depicting

1711
01:06:00,623 --> 01:06:00,873
children can easily be turned

1712
01:06:04,389 --> 01:06:04,639
into CA andXAi introduced

1713
01:06:05,156 --> 01:06:05,406
restrictions in a Dutch court

1714
01:06:08,389 --> 01:06:08,639
orderedAi to immediately cease

1715
01:06:09,123 --> 01:06:09,373
generating nonconsensual

1716
01:06:09,723 --> 01:06:09,973
undressing images

1717
01:06:13,056 --> 01:06:13,306
jury still out on whether that

1718
01:06:14,389 --> 01:06:14,639
was effective or not and that's

1719
01:06:16,389 --> 01:06:16,639
just one country in an entire

1720
01:06:18,489 --> 01:06:18,739
world and here and here's the

1721
01:06:19,156 --> 01:06:19,406
thing about

1722
01:06:19,489 --> 01:06:19,739
Ai

1723
01:06:21,089 --> 01:06:21,339
and and we've heard the term

1724
01:06:22,823 --> 01:06:23,073
the wild west used more than

1725
01:06:24,856 --> 01:06:25,106
once this is far worse in the

1726
01:06:26,623 --> 01:06:26,873
wild west and the wild west if

1727
01:06:28,389 --> 01:06:28,639
you wanted to communicate with

1728
01:06:29,089 --> 01:06:29,339
someone you either had to use a

1729
01:06:30,856 --> 01:06:31,106
telegraph or the pony express

1730
01:06:34,856 --> 01:06:35,106
that took time Ai is universal

1731
01:06:37,089 --> 01:06:37,339
and it's instantaneous as soon

1732
01:06:40,389 --> 01:06:40,639
as a tool is placed on the web

1733
01:06:41,089 --> 01:06:41,339
it is available everywhere

1734
01:06:46,356 --> 01:06:46,606
all the time immediately and

1735
01:06:47,356 --> 01:06:47,606
therein creates a real problem

1736
01:06:49,156 --> 01:06:49,406
this is far worse than what the

1737
01:06:50,489 --> 01:06:50,739
wild west ever would be

1738
01:06:55,156 --> 01:06:55,406
so let's look at the generated

1739
01:06:56,856 --> 01:06:57,106
images and how prevalent it

1740
01:07:00,523 --> 01:07:00,773
is2024 which in Ai at this point

1741
01:07:01,189 --> 01:07:01,439
is probably ancient history

1742
01:07:06,389 --> 01:07:06,639
a report established that 1 in10

1743
01:07:09,123 --> 01:07:09,373
10% of children today is aware

1744
01:07:11,223 --> 01:07:11,473
of deep fakes and seeSA being

1745
01:07:11,889 --> 01:07:12,139
created

1746
01:07:13,356 --> 01:07:13,606
of their peers

1747
01:07:17,156 --> 01:07:17,406
1 in10 I promise you that number

1748
01:07:17,823 --> 01:07:18,073
is higher today

1749
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:23,339
and then go into the chatbot

1750
01:07:24,889 --> 01:07:25,139
therapy growing number of

1751
01:07:26,389 --> 01:07:26,639
children and teenagers

1752
01:07:26,889 --> 01:07:27,139
especially if they feel

1753
01:07:28,656 --> 01:07:28,906
disconnected from the rest of

1754
01:07:29,323 --> 01:07:29,573
the world

1755
01:07:30,656 --> 01:07:30,906
they turned to the chatbots

1756
01:07:34,423 --> 01:07:34,673
and they looked for advice

1757
01:07:36,423 --> 01:07:36,673
companionship and even mental

1758
01:07:37,156 --> 01:07:37,406
health support and again as

1759
01:07:37,689 --> 01:07:37,939
we've done

1760
01:07:40,623 --> 01:07:40,873
first thing you do when you try

1761
01:07:41,289 --> 01:07:41,539
to do something with with Ai

1762
01:07:44,489 --> 01:07:44,739
is it'll tell you Ai can make

1763
01:07:45,156 --> 01:07:45,406
mistakes

1764
01:07:47,156 --> 01:07:47,406
this is not an area where you

1765
01:07:49,189 --> 01:07:49,439
want mistakes made when children

1766
01:07:50,623 --> 01:07:50,873
are being given mental health

1767
01:07:51,289 --> 01:07:51,539
advice

1768
01:07:54,889 --> 01:07:55,139
and of course we've heard

1769
01:07:56,656 --> 01:07:56,906
today the tragic results that

1770
01:07:57,323 --> 01:07:57,573
have come from some children

1771
01:07:57,956 --> 01:07:58,206
with this

1772
01:08:02,656 --> 01:08:02,906
and then the severe harms of

1773
01:08:04,623 --> 01:08:04,873
synthetic nonconsensual intimate

1774
01:08:06,623 --> 01:08:06,873
imagery they're psychological

1775
01:08:09,123 --> 01:08:09,373
harms it will cause

1776
01:08:11,123 --> 01:08:11,373
psychological damage that can

1777
01:08:12,656 --> 01:08:12,906
follow up child for the rest of

1778
01:08:14,889 --> 01:08:15,139
their life you see extortion and

1779
01:08:17,156 --> 01:08:17,406
coercion which we've seen that

1780
01:08:20,656 --> 01:08:20,906
before we ever had Ai if someone

1781
01:08:22,856 --> 01:08:23,106
could could convince a child to

1782
01:08:24,656 --> 01:08:24,906
send an image that could be

1783
01:08:26,889 --> 01:08:27,139
used later on to extort them or

1784
01:08:28,889 --> 01:08:29,139
get them to get money or cause

1785
01:08:29,556 --> 01:08:29,806
them

1786
01:08:30,723 --> 01:08:30,973
just intentional damage

1787
01:08:34,856 --> 01:08:35,106
and today again with the

1788
01:08:36,856 --> 01:08:37,106
internet and with these images

1789
01:08:38,389 --> 01:08:38,639
being instantaneous and

1790
01:08:40,623 --> 01:08:40,873
universal the viral propagation

1791
01:08:43,123 --> 01:08:43,373
it can go from a small town in

1792
01:08:44,623 --> 01:08:44,873
Oklahoma to anywhere in the

1793
01:08:45,189 --> 01:08:45,439
world

1794
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:45,689
like that

1795
01:08:46,856 --> 01:08:47,106
so

1796
01:08:48,656 --> 01:08:48,906
there are numerous

1797
01:08:52,656 --> 01:08:52,906
cases where harm can happen that

1798
01:08:54,756 --> 01:08:55,006
is beyond anything that it could

1799
01:08:55,423 --> 01:08:55,673
have any time in the past

1800
01:09:00,389 --> 01:09:00,639
so we really need to attack the

1801
01:09:02,356 --> 01:09:02,606
criminal bad actors those are

1802
01:09:02,989 --> 01:09:03,239
the bad guys who are really

1803
01:09:03,589 --> 01:09:03,839
doing the the the bad things

1804
01:09:04,256 --> 01:09:04,506
that's

1805
01:09:07,123 --> 01:09:07,373
the statute's primarily focused

1806
01:09:09,123 --> 01:09:09,373
on distribution of nonconsensual

1807
01:09:10,456 --> 01:09:10,706
photos by individuals

1808
01:09:13,156 --> 01:09:13,406
pursuing individual juvenile

1809
01:09:15,089 --> 01:09:15,339
offenders fails to stem the

1810
01:09:16,856 --> 01:09:17,106
automated assembly line of

1811
01:09:18,623 --> 01:09:18,873
generating thousands of harmful

1812
01:09:19,323 --> 01:09:19,573
images daily

1813
01:09:20,623 --> 01:09:20,873
so

1814
01:09:23,123 --> 01:09:23,373
some of these are being created

1815
01:09:25,123 --> 01:09:25,373
not by people as senator

1816
01:09:25,689 --> 01:09:25,939
Hamilton said that

1817
01:09:28,456 --> 01:09:28,706
there's this machine in there

1818
01:09:31,156 --> 01:09:31,406
that's making these things so I

1819
01:09:32,923 --> 01:09:33,173
think policy needs to reach the

1820
01:09:34,623 --> 01:09:34,873
root of the crisis and that's

1821
01:09:36,623 --> 01:09:36,873
the commercial developers and

1822
01:09:38,356 --> 01:09:38,606
hosting platforms that knowingly

1823
01:09:39,123 --> 01:09:39,373
permit market or fail to

1824
01:09:41,156 --> 01:09:41,406
implement guardrails against

1825
01:09:43,123 --> 01:09:43,373
illicit generative sexualization

1826
01:09:43,823 --> 01:09:44,073
of children

1827
01:09:47,089 --> 01:09:47,339
if they can create a system

1828
01:09:49,089 --> 01:09:49,339
whereby these images can be

1829
01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:52,639
created and propagated they can

1830
01:09:53,089 --> 01:09:53,339
put up the guardrails

1831
01:09:57,056 --> 01:09:57,306
again this is one of those

1832
01:09:59,089 --> 01:09:59,339
issues that is not partisan at

1833
01:10:01,089 --> 01:10:01,339
all red states blue states and

1834
01:10:03,056 --> 01:10:03,306
everything in between are trying

1835
01:10:05,123 --> 01:10:05,373
to do things California they

1836
01:10:06,656 --> 01:10:06,906
enacted a pioneering law

1837
01:10:08,656 --> 01:10:08,906
requiring Ai chatbots to state

1838
01:10:10,389 --> 01:10:10,639
that they are not human and

1839
01:10:11,356 --> 01:10:11,606
filter explicit content for

1840
01:10:12,856 --> 01:10:13,106
minors and spot signs of self

1841
01:10:16,389 --> 01:10:16,639
harm and suicidal thoughts Idaho

1842
01:10:18,623 --> 01:10:18,873
oregon Washington red blue

1843
01:10:20,623 --> 01:10:20,873
purple passed laws stopping

1844
01:10:22,389 --> 01:10:22,639
chatbots from acting like they

1845
01:10:23,356 --> 01:10:23,606
have feelings are showing

1846
01:10:24,656 --> 01:10:24,906
sentience or having sexual talk

1847
01:10:28,589 --> 01:10:28,839
s with minors Tennessee red as

1848
01:10:30,656 --> 01:10:30,906
Oklahoma made nonconsensual Ai

1849
01:10:32,389 --> 01:10:32,639
generated nude images and fake

1850
01:10:34,389 --> 01:10:34,639
explicit media illegal adding

1851
01:10:35,089 --> 01:10:35,339
strict criminal and civil

1852
01:10:38,389 --> 01:10:38,639
penalties and schools must also

1853
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:39,439
review clear rules regarding Ai

1854
01:10:41,356 --> 01:10:41,606
use in the classroom. New York

1855
01:10:42,623 --> 01:10:42,873
City about as blue as you can

1856
01:10:44,856 --> 01:10:45,106
get they announced a one year

1857
01:10:46,856 --> 01:10:47,106
moratorium on student facing

1858
01:10:49,089 --> 01:10:49,339
generative Ai that's even using

1859
01:10:51,123 --> 01:10:51,373
it in grades two2K through

1860
01:10:52,889 --> 01:10:53,139
eighth grade for the upcoming

1861
01:10:53,523 --> 01:10:53,773
school year

1862
01:10:58,656 --> 01:10:58,906
last year Oklahoma took a shot

1863
01:10:59,289 --> 01:10:59,539
didn't quite get there but

1864
01:11:02,423 --> 01:11:02,673
several things were done and and

1865
01:11:04,889 --> 01:11:05,139
I want you know give kudos to

1866
01:11:06,389 --> 01:11:06,639
Representative conney Maynard

1867
01:11:08,389 --> 01:11:08,639
from my hometown of Durant

1868
01:11:09,123 --> 01:11:09,373
uhpresentative Ford Senator

1869
01:11:10,856 --> 01:11:11,106
Hamilton and you madam chairman

1870
01:11:12,889 --> 01:11:13,139
for the work you did on what was

1871
01:11:13,589 --> 01:11:13,839
able to get done in last year's

1872
01:11:14,256 --> 01:11:14,506
session

1873
01:11:17,156 --> 01:11:17,406
butpresentative Ford had a

1874
01:11:18,889 --> 01:11:19,139
committee substitute for Senate

1875
01:11:20,656 --> 01:11:20,906
Bill445 last session that

1876
01:11:22,889 --> 01:11:23,139
targeted proposals to clarify

1877
01:11:24,623 --> 01:11:24,873
that criminal liability covers

1878
01:11:26,423 --> 01:11:26,673
both knowingly creating and

1879
01:11:28,823 --> 01:11:29,073
altering nonconsensual intimate

1880
01:11:29,489 --> 01:11:29,739
images through Ai and

1881
01:11:29,956 --> 01:11:30,206
distributing them

1882
01:11:32,623 --> 01:11:32,873
the proposal will empower the

1883
01:11:33,223 --> 01:11:33,473
Ag's office with direct

1884
01:11:34,656 --> 01:11:34,906
enforcement authority while

1885
01:11:35,256 --> 01:11:35,506
creating a civil path for

1886
01:11:37,156 --> 01:11:37,406
victims to seek damages and

1887
01:11:40,389 --> 01:11:40,639
mandatory takedowns of offending

1888
01:11:42,656 --> 01:11:42,906
material those are good starting

1889
01:11:43,289 --> 01:11:43,539
points now

1890
01:11:46,423 --> 01:11:46,673
where we run into the problem

1891
01:11:48,389 --> 01:11:48,639
with Ai and technology is

1892
01:11:48,923 --> 01:11:49,173
technology doesn't have

1893
01:11:52,623 --> 01:11:52,873
to adjourn at5 p.m. on the last

1894
01:11:54,656 --> 01:11:54,906
Friday in May it keeps going all

1895
01:11:56,389 --> 01:11:56,639
the time it keeps expanding all

1896
01:11:57,123 --> 01:11:57,373
the time and that's why

1897
01:11:58,623 --> 01:11:58,873
Senatorhamilton and this

1898
01:11:59,123 --> 01:11:59,373
committee you're doing a good

1899
01:12:00,689 --> 01:12:00,939
thing by continuing the

1900
01:12:02,389 --> 01:12:02,639
discussion even during the

1901
01:12:04,423 --> 01:12:04,673
interim but technology is

1902
01:12:05,156 --> 01:12:05,406
advancing while we're sitting

1903
01:12:06,923 --> 01:12:07,173
here today talking about

1904
01:12:07,489 --> 01:12:07,739
technology advancing

1905
01:12:12,889 --> 01:12:13,139
the key components did things in

1906
01:12:14,923 --> 01:12:15,173
a proper way we think at OICA

1907
01:12:16,656 --> 01:12:16,906
that protects neutral AI

1908
01:12:18,389 --> 01:12:18,639
developers those who aren't

1909
01:12:19,423 --> 01:12:19,673
trying to be the bad guys but

1910
01:12:20,089 --> 01:12:20,339
again

1911
01:12:23,123 --> 01:12:23,373
even a rock the first tool can

1912
01:12:26,389 --> 01:12:26,639
be used to cause damage what we

1913
01:12:27,356 --> 01:12:27,606
need to do is those who are

1914
01:12:28,656 --> 01:12:28,906
legitimate general purpose

1915
01:12:30,389 --> 01:12:30,639
algorithms or research models

1916
01:12:32,389 --> 01:12:32,639
operating within safety

1917
01:12:32,989 --> 01:12:33,239
protocols they need to be

1918
01:12:33,556 --> 01:12:33,806
protected

1919
01:12:37,156 --> 01:12:37,406
intentional and reckless misuse

1920
01:12:38,856 --> 01:12:39,106
and there's where we get into

1921
01:12:40,889 --> 01:12:41,139
the problem liability should

1922
01:12:42,389 --> 01:12:42,639
apply specifically to those

1923
01:12:43,023 --> 01:12:43,273
entities and actors that

1924
01:12:44,889 --> 01:12:45,139
knowingly and recklessly design

1925
01:12:46,889 --> 01:12:47,139
market facilitate tools for

1926
01:12:48,389 --> 01:12:48,639
sexually explicit depiction of

1927
01:12:50,389 --> 01:12:50,639
minors and we know that those

1928
01:12:52,389 --> 01:12:52,639
people are out there we know

1929
01:12:53,023 --> 01:12:53,273
that they are moving the ball

1930
01:12:55,156 --> 01:12:55,406
down the down the field in that

1931
01:12:56,656 --> 01:12:56,906
realm they're the targets

1932
01:12:58,889 --> 01:12:59,139
they're the ones we should go

1933
01:13:00,623 --> 01:13:00,873
after and then I believe civil

1934
01:13:02,856 --> 01:13:03,106
redress and OICA does well

1935
01:13:04,389 --> 01:13:04,639
should be part of the process

1936
01:13:06,356 --> 01:13:06,606
you have victims and families

1937
01:13:06,989 --> 01:13:07,239
immediate legal standing to seek

1938
01:13:09,123 --> 01:13:09,373
compensatory damage and court

1939
01:13:10,589 --> 01:13:10,839
ordered removal of harmful

1940
01:13:11,156 --> 01:13:11,406
content

1941
01:13:14,656 --> 01:13:14,906
I think that's at the foundation

1942
01:13:15,323 --> 01:13:15,573
of everything you go to

1943
01:13:15,823 --> 01:13:16,073
if

1944
01:13:19,356 --> 01:13:19,606
criminal penalties aren't enough

1945
01:13:22,389 --> 01:13:22,639
hit these people where it hurts

1946
01:13:23,023 --> 01:13:23,273
we've heard they're making

1947
01:13:25,156 --> 01:13:25,406
billions of dollars they are hit

1948
01:13:28,456 --> 01:13:28,706
them in the pocketbook make it

1949
01:13:29,123 --> 01:13:29,373
financially not

1950
01:13:32,789 --> 01:13:33,039
worth their while to go down

1951
01:13:33,423 --> 01:13:33,673
these dangerous roads for kids

1952
01:13:34,623 --> 01:13:34,873
now

1953
01:13:38,489 --> 01:13:38,739
let's take a look at what the

1954
01:13:39,156 --> 01:13:39,406
public thinks

1955
01:13:42,389 --> 01:13:42,639
Americans they are worried about

1956
01:13:43,056 --> 01:13:43,306
Ai they want stronger regulation

1957
01:13:46,656 --> 01:13:46,906
more people are worried than are

1958
01:13:48,889 --> 01:13:49,139
excited about Ai more people

1959
01:13:50,389 --> 01:13:50,639
believe that it is a high or

1960
01:13:51,056 --> 01:13:51,306
very high risk than believe it's

1961
01:13:51,723 --> 01:13:51,973
a low risk

1962
01:13:54,689 --> 01:13:54,939
there are two areas of optimism

1963
01:13:56,389 --> 01:13:56,639
both in scientific research and

1964
01:13:57,089 --> 01:13:57,339
in health care and we're seeing

1965
01:14:00,389 --> 01:14:00,639
Ai make some good strides there

1966
01:14:01,123 --> 01:14:01,373
and that's reflected in the way

1967
01:14:02,456 --> 01:14:02,706
people in the United States CAi

1968
01:14:08,773 --> 01:14:09,023
but4 in5 Americans want to see

1969
01:14:10,623 --> 01:14:10,873
more action when it comes to

1970
01:14:12,889 --> 01:14:13,139
regulating Ai and 81% say

1971
01:14:14,623 --> 01:14:14,873
Washington is not doing enough

1972
01:14:15,289 --> 01:14:15,539
to regulate AI.

1973
01:14:19,223 --> 01:14:19,473
now let's come here home to

1974
01:14:19,789 --> 01:14:20,039
Oklahoma

1975
01:14:25,156 --> 01:14:25,406
a 94% believe that leaders must

1976
01:14:25,823 --> 01:14:26,073
take action

1977
01:14:31,123 --> 01:14:31,373
93cent are concerned about deep

1978
01:14:31,823 --> 01:14:32,073
fakes of minor children

1979
01:14:36,423 --> 01:14:36,673
and 91% support corporate

1980
01:14:36,989 --> 01:14:37,239
accountability legislation

1981
01:14:40,423 --> 01:14:40,673
this is one of those rare areas

1982
01:14:41,189 --> 01:14:41,439
that you get as elected

1983
01:14:42,489 --> 01:14:42,739
officials where public

1984
01:14:46,423 --> 01:14:46,673
perception and public belief and

1985
01:14:48,923 --> 01:14:49,173
public wants line up with what

1986
01:14:50,489 --> 01:14:50,739
will be good policy for the

1987
01:14:51,056 --> 01:14:51,306
state of Oklahoma

1988
01:14:53,089 --> 01:14:53,339
it's nonpartisan

1989
01:14:56,856 --> 01:14:57,106
people believe strongly in this

1990
01:14:59,089 --> 01:14:59,339
you don't see 94% of the people

1991
01:15:00,656 --> 01:15:00,906
agreeing on what kind of pizza

1992
01:15:02,623 --> 01:15:02,873
to have for lunch but they agree

1993
01:15:03,323 --> 01:15:03,573
that something needs to be done

1994
01:15:03,989 --> 01:15:04,239
to protect children

1995
01:15:06,889 --> 01:15:07,139
and there is a clear mandate

1996
01:15:09,023 --> 01:15:09,273
that you have from the voters

1997
01:15:10,523 --> 01:15:10,773
from the people of the state to

1998
01:15:11,189 --> 01:15:11,439
do something

1999
01:15:15,123 --> 01:15:15,373
so you have a rare opportunity

2000
01:15:16,689 --> 01:15:16,939
to establish a national

2001
01:15:18,389 --> 01:15:18,639
benchmark by closing legal

2002
01:15:20,656 --> 01:15:20,906
loopholes around AI facilitated

2003
01:15:22,656 --> 01:15:22,906
nonconsensual intimate imagery

2004
01:15:24,389 --> 01:15:24,639
empowering the attorney

2005
01:15:24,856 --> 01:15:25,106
general's office in law

2006
01:15:25,323 --> 01:15:25,573
enforcement and protecting

2007
01:15:25,889 --> 01:15:26,139
children

2008
01:15:28,456 --> 01:15:28,706
basically

2009
01:15:29,389 --> 01:15:29,639
you got the folks behind you

2010
01:15:33,156 --> 01:15:33,406
and the time is now to take big

2011
01:15:35,156 --> 01:15:35,406
steps and be ready to take those

2012
01:15:36,923 --> 01:15:37,173
steps when the legislature comes

2013
01:15:38,523 --> 01:15:38,773
back the first Monday in

2014
01:15:39,089 --> 01:15:39,339
February

2015
01:15:41,089 --> 01:15:41,339
with that madam chairman members

2016
01:15:42,589 --> 01:15:42,839
I'll be happy to try to answer

2017
01:15:44,656 --> 01:15:44,906
questions and let me conclude by

2018
01:15:46,656 --> 01:15:46,906
extending the the regrets of

2019
01:15:50,889 --> 01:15:51,139
Joe Dorman our CEO for

2020
01:15:52,423 --> 01:15:52,673
not being able to be here today

2021
01:15:54,856 --> 01:15:55,106
he's indc doing thelord's work

2022
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:56,939
fighting for kids in in our

2023
01:15:58,389 --> 01:15:58,639
nation's capital so he would

2024
01:15:59,089 --> 01:15:59,339
have rather been here than me

2025
01:16:02,423 --> 01:16:02,673
but I tried to do ok as far

2026
01:16:03,156 --> 01:16:03,406
as the B team goes and they'd be

2027
01:16:03,889 --> 01:16:04,139
happy to try to answer questions

2028
01:16:07,256 --> 01:16:07,506
any questions for the

2029
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:07,939
honorablein Gumm

2030
01:16:14,389 --> 01:16:14,639
if there's none right now then

2031
01:16:17,123 --> 01:16:17,373
I've got one or two of the first

2032
01:16:17,756 --> 01:16:18,006
was

2033
01:16:21,123 --> 01:16:21,373
if you might recommend a

2034
01:16:22,656 --> 01:16:22,906
mechanism

2035
01:16:26,656 --> 01:16:26,906
just in a I know we're kind of

2036
01:16:28,389 --> 01:16:28,639
taking a shot in the dark here

2037
01:16:30,623 --> 01:16:30,873
but a mechanism by which we

2038
01:16:34,656 --> 01:16:34,906
might keep Oklahoma's kids safer

2039
01:16:37,123 --> 01:16:37,373
and minimize the collateral

2040
01:16:38,689 --> 01:16:38,939
damage that I think

2041
01:16:42,856 --> 01:16:43,106
that some of the providers of

2042
01:16:46,389 --> 01:16:46,639
the services have mentioned

2043
01:16:48,689 --> 01:16:48,939
that would happen were we to

2044
01:16:50,656 --> 01:16:50,906
institute some type of age

2045
01:16:52,656 --> 01:16:52,906
verification procedures for

2046
01:16:54,623 --> 01:16:54,873
these things I think that's

2047
01:16:56,723 --> 01:16:56,973
critical especially when you

2048
01:16:57,289 --> 01:16:57,539
have the Ai

2049
01:17:01,123 --> 01:17:01,373
platforms with the ability to do

2050
01:17:01,789 --> 01:17:02,039
the things that they do

2051
01:17:04,423 --> 01:17:04,673
some kind of age verification

2052
01:17:07,123 --> 01:17:07,373
it seems reasonable and

2053
01:17:10,423 --> 01:17:10,673
appropriate and again looking

2054
01:17:11,089 --> 01:17:11,339
back at the polling data I think

2055
01:17:12,856 --> 01:17:13,106
you'll see Oklahomans will be

2056
01:17:14,623 --> 01:17:14,873
supportive of that by an

2057
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:15,439
overwhelming majority

2058
01:17:19,156 --> 01:17:19,406
that has always been the best

2059
01:17:20,889 --> 01:17:21,139
way to protect children from

2060
01:17:22,656 --> 01:17:22,906
things that might be fine for

2061
01:17:24,623 --> 01:17:24,873
them as an adult but not fine

2062
01:17:25,256 --> 01:17:25,506
for them as a child

2063
01:17:28,856 --> 01:17:29,106
alcohol laws as is a perfect

2064
01:17:30,656 --> 01:17:30,906
example of that you have to show

2065
01:17:32,389 --> 01:17:32,639
that you're21 years old to be

2066
01:17:32,989 --> 01:17:33,239
ordered to buy alcoholic

2067
01:17:33,556 --> 01:17:33,806
beverages

2068
01:17:34,756 --> 01:17:35,006
that

2069
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:37,439
it almost seems too simplistic

2070
01:17:40,456 --> 01:17:40,706
but there's got to be a way to

2071
01:17:41,123 --> 01:17:41,373
make that work

2072
01:17:43,056 --> 01:17:43,306
thank you

2073
01:17:46,856 --> 01:17:47,106
the the the next

2074
01:17:48,823 --> 01:17:49,073
question I would have would be

2075
01:17:52,356 --> 01:17:52,606
can you think of any other

2076
01:17:54,589 --> 01:17:54,839
areas you mentioned alcohol but

2077
01:17:55,289 --> 01:17:55,539
ones that are you know

2078
01:18:00,389 --> 01:18:00,639
I guess that are newer that

2079
01:18:01,289 --> 01:18:01,539
are specifically related to

2080
01:18:04,856 --> 01:18:05,106
child safety where a person who

2081
01:18:06,856 --> 01:18:07,106
wanted to access a service or

2082
01:18:10,623 --> 01:18:10,873
buy a product would have to show

2083
01:18:12,956 --> 01:18:13,206
or upload identification well

2084
01:18:13,589 --> 01:18:13,839
just the the

2085
01:18:15,089 --> 01:18:15,339
what the gentleman talked about

2086
01:18:17,089 --> 01:18:17,339
with the state of Florida

2087
01:18:20,623 --> 01:18:20,873
putting in age verifications for

2088
01:18:22,389 --> 01:18:22,639
for online pornography and and

2089
01:18:23,156 --> 01:18:23,406
one of the major platforms

2090
01:18:26,389 --> 01:18:26,639
completely stopped serving that

2091
01:18:27,156 --> 01:18:27,406
state I mean I don't know that

2092
01:18:28,889 --> 01:18:29,139
that would be a bad thing for

2093
01:18:29,489 --> 01:18:29,739
Oklahoma to do

2094
01:18:34,589 --> 01:18:34,839
and I think we really have to

2095
01:18:36,389 --> 01:18:36,639
also throw the parent in here as

2096
01:18:38,389 --> 01:18:38,639
well the parent has to be a part

2097
01:18:39,323 --> 01:18:39,573
of this this process I had a

2098
01:18:42,856 --> 01:18:43,106
he's not so young anymore he's

2099
01:18:44,389 --> 01:18:44,639
married and joining the air

2100
01:18:45,056 --> 01:18:45,306
forcece but I have a son who

2101
01:18:48,356 --> 01:18:48,606
grew up playing obloxx we

2102
01:18:50,823 --> 01:18:51,073
stayed very engaged with his

2103
01:18:52,423 --> 01:18:52,673
his mother and I stayed very

2104
01:18:53,123 --> 01:18:53,373
engaged with his online activity

2105
01:18:54,923 --> 01:18:55,173
a matter of fact he's 20 years

2106
01:18:55,589 --> 01:18:55,839
old and

2107
01:18:58,389 --> 01:18:58,639
took the oath to be in the air

2108
01:18:59,089 --> 01:18:59,339
force and I still get notices of

2109
01:19:02,389 --> 01:19:02,639
when he when he buys a game

2110
01:19:03,123 --> 01:19:03,373
he hadn't figured that one out

2111
01:19:06,423 --> 01:19:06,673
yet so I I think that that's

2112
01:19:08,423 --> 01:19:08,673
that's part of the thing too is

2113
01:19:10,389 --> 01:19:10,639
we need to encourage parents and

2114
01:19:11,123 --> 01:19:11,373
empower parents to be a part of

2115
01:19:12,989 --> 01:19:13,239
that process as well

2116
01:19:14,723 --> 01:19:14,973
no one is better

2117
01:19:17,389 --> 01:19:17,639
equipped to take care of their

2118
01:19:18,856 --> 01:19:19,106
kids and their parents as a

2119
01:19:20,889 --> 01:19:21,139
general rule and they they are

2120
01:19:22,656 --> 01:19:22,906
that first line of defense but

2121
01:19:24,389 --> 01:19:24,639
what we're seeing and especially

2122
01:19:26,389 --> 01:19:26,639
with the chatbox stuff or the

2123
01:19:27,123 --> 01:19:27,373
kids are bypassing the parents

2124
01:19:28,923 --> 01:19:29,173
to get some kind of

2125
01:19:32,623 --> 01:19:32,873
insight that they're not getting

2126
01:19:34,623 --> 01:19:34,873
anywhere else so you have to

2127
01:19:36,589 --> 01:19:36,839
find a way to short circuit that

2128
01:19:39,056 --> 01:19:39,306
bypass and and again either an

2129
01:19:40,656 --> 01:19:40,906
incentive to do the right thing

2130
01:19:42,389 --> 01:19:42,639
or a disincentive to do the bad

2131
01:19:43,089 --> 01:19:43,339
thing is's what we need to do

2132
01:19:43,756 --> 01:19:44,006
with these companies.

2133
01:19:48,623 --> 01:19:48,873
very well said I appreciate

2134
01:19:50,423 --> 01:19:50,673
what you said about the you know

2135
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:51,439
that's the parent's job and

2136
01:19:52,623 --> 01:19:52,873
nobody knows a kid better than

2137
01:19:56,623 --> 01:19:56,873
the parent the you touched

2138
01:19:58,889 --> 01:19:59,139
on this but the prevalence of

2139
01:19:59,489 --> 01:19:59,739
technology and I'm not sure if

2140
01:20:01,156 --> 01:20:01,406
it's what I'm saying is a

2141
01:20:02,656 --> 01:20:02,906
question or if it's more of a

2142
01:20:03,256 --> 01:20:03,506
statement but the the the

2143
01:20:07,189 --> 01:20:07,439
it becoming more and more

2144
01:20:10,389 --> 01:20:10,639
technologically savvy. I had a

2145
01:20:11,156 --> 01:20:11,406
friend a family friend and a

2146
01:20:13,156 --> 01:20:13,406
couple of years ago who had a

2147
01:20:16,923 --> 01:20:17,173
child that some of the

2148
01:20:20,389 --> 01:20:20,639
child's middle school classmates

2149
01:20:22,889 --> 01:20:23,139
created a fake social media

2150
01:20:26,623 --> 01:20:26,873
account for the child and then

2151
01:20:28,923 --> 01:20:29,173
made fake posts that were

2152
01:20:30,923 --> 01:20:31,173
running down one of the child's

2153
01:20:33,156 --> 01:20:33,406
classmates and that resulted in

2154
01:20:34,656 --> 01:20:34,906
an altercation in both children

2155
01:20:38,389 --> 01:20:38,639
getting in trouble at school and

2156
01:20:40,389 --> 01:20:40,639
so this was this was before

2157
01:20:42,889 --> 01:20:43,139
really before the days of Ai and

2158
01:20:44,889 --> 01:20:45,139
and I think that and you

2159
01:20:46,389 --> 01:20:46,639
can feel free to dovetail on

2160
01:20:48,389 --> 01:20:48,639
this or or dog pile on and do

2161
01:20:49,156 --> 01:20:49,406
whatever the appropriate

2162
01:20:52,656 --> 01:20:52,906
terminology is but this was this

2163
01:20:54,389 --> 01:20:54,639
was in the days of foot boats

2164
01:20:56,656 --> 01:20:56,906
when this was happening that

2165
01:20:58,456 --> 01:20:58,706
junior high school children were

2166
01:21:00,656 --> 01:21:00,906
doing that were you do would you

2167
01:21:02,623 --> 01:21:02,873
like to expound on that or well

2168
01:21:04,623 --> 01:21:04,873
let me say this

2169
01:21:08,389 --> 01:21:08,639
that is not a new kind of thing

2170
01:21:10,623 --> 01:21:10,873
the platform is new using social

2171
01:21:11,323 --> 01:21:11,573
media but

2172
01:21:14,623 --> 01:21:14,873
I'm not quite so old that I

2173
01:21:16,356 --> 01:21:16,606
don't remember being in middle

2174
01:21:18,889 --> 01:21:19,139
school and how the rumor gets

2175
01:21:19,556 --> 01:21:19,806
started and

2176
01:21:22,856 --> 01:21:23,106
you say one thing about somebody

2177
01:21:24,389 --> 01:21:24,639
here and by the time it gets to

2178
01:21:25,156 --> 01:21:25,406
that somebody there's going to

2179
01:21:28,656 --> 01:21:28,906
be a fight after school so the

2180
01:21:30,356 --> 01:21:30,606
platform is new the propagation

2181
01:21:32,389 --> 01:21:32,639
is new the ease with which these

2182
01:21:34,889 --> 01:21:35,139
things can happen is new and

2183
01:21:36,656 --> 01:21:36,906
and again that's probably a good

2184
01:21:38,389 --> 01:21:38,639
reason why you want to limit the

2185
01:21:40,456 --> 01:21:40,706
use of AI in a classroom but

2186
01:21:42,456 --> 01:21:42,706
you know it it

2187
01:21:45,123 --> 01:21:45,373
if you've got the situation

2188
01:21:46,623 --> 01:21:46,873
where you give the parents or

2189
01:21:48,656 --> 01:21:48,906
you give the victims the ability

2190
01:21:50,623 --> 01:21:50,873
to order something to be brought

2191
01:21:52,623 --> 01:21:52,873
down to have it brought down to

2192
01:21:54,623 --> 01:21:54,873
have monetary damages for when

2193
01:21:56,389 --> 01:21:56,639
somebody does something like

2194
01:21:58,889 --> 01:21:59,139
that that seems to make sense

2195
01:22:00,423 --> 01:22:00,673
and again

2196
01:22:03,156 --> 01:22:03,406
none of this is

2197
01:22:04,656 --> 01:22:04,906
new

2198
01:22:08,856 --> 01:22:09,106
it's the platform it's how fast

2199
01:22:11,089 --> 01:22:11,339
it can get out and how fast it

2200
01:22:14,623 --> 01:22:14,873
can go around is new and that

2201
01:22:16,856 --> 01:22:17,106
creates the new risks for our

2202
01:22:18,856 --> 01:22:19,106
kids and why I think it's

2203
01:22:20,623 --> 01:22:20,873
appropriate and why most

2204
01:22:22,389 --> 01:22:22,639
Americans and most Oklahomans

2205
01:22:23,156 --> 01:22:23,406
think some sort of action is

2206
01:22:23,823 --> 01:22:24,073
appropriate

2207
01:22:28,489 --> 01:22:28,739
thank you very much. Any

2208
01:22:29,023 --> 01:22:29,273
additional questions

2209
01:22:30,589 --> 01:22:30,839
senator

2210
01:22:32,923 --> 01:22:33,173
thank you for the presentation

2211
01:22:36,389 --> 01:22:36,639
former senator by the way I

2212
01:22:36,989 --> 01:22:37,239
don't know if anybody else knows

2213
01:22:38,623 --> 01:22:38,873
he was served in this body a

2214
01:22:40,656 --> 01:22:40,906
few years ago so welcome back

2215
01:22:42,623 --> 01:22:42,873
to the state to be changed a

2216
01:22:43,256 --> 01:22:43,506
little bit since you were here

2217
01:22:43,923 --> 01:22:44,173
back in the day

2218
01:22:46,856 --> 01:22:47,106
so I know this is all about kids

2219
01:22:48,889 --> 01:22:49,139
the study is as it should be so

2220
01:22:50,389 --> 01:22:50,639
that's certainly important to

2221
01:22:52,389 --> 01:22:52,639
all of us this is an issue that

2222
01:22:53,089 --> 01:22:53,339
I mean it crosses a lot of lines

2223
01:22:55,323 --> 01:22:55,573
I think about the older folks

2224
01:22:56,889 --> 01:22:57,139
are hears awful stories about

2225
01:22:58,423 --> 01:22:58,673
them losing their life savings

2226
01:22:59,089 --> 01:22:59,339
over someone that takes

2227
01:22:59,589 --> 01:22:59,839
advantage of them so I don't

2228
01:23:00,256 --> 01:23:00,506
know how we

2229
01:23:02,923 --> 01:23:03,173
don't know how we get to that

2230
01:23:04,623 --> 01:23:04,873
part of this issue as well

2231
01:23:06,389 --> 01:23:06,639
because it's I mean it's

2232
01:23:06,889 --> 01:23:07,139
probably not as important but

2233
01:23:07,489 --> 01:23:07,739
it's a very important to some of

2234
01:23:08,423 --> 01:23:08,673
these people and that happens

2235
01:23:10,423 --> 01:23:10,673
all the time so I don't know how

2236
01:23:12,423 --> 01:23:12,673
we can cross over and and tackle

2237
01:23:13,156 --> 01:23:13,406
some of these same issues at the

2238
01:23:13,856 --> 01:23:14,106
same time but that's a

2239
01:23:16,889 --> 01:23:17,139
that's a real concern of mine. I

2240
01:23:17,556 --> 01:23:17,806
mean I hear about those stories

2241
01:23:18,856 --> 01:23:19,106
all the time and it's it's

2242
01:23:19,456 --> 01:23:19,706
really disheartening when you

2243
01:23:20,056 --> 01:23:20,306
hear about those things but

2244
01:23:23,323 --> 01:23:23,573
I hate it for parents these days

2245
01:23:25,156 --> 01:23:25,406
I mean there's no book on

2246
01:23:26,656 --> 01:23:26,906
parenting there wasn't when I

2247
01:23:28,389 --> 01:23:28,639
was raising my kids and there

2248
01:23:29,023 --> 01:23:29,273
wasn't for my parents but there

2249
01:23:30,656 --> 01:23:30,906
certainly isn't today but some

2250
01:23:32,389 --> 01:23:32,639
of these issues that they're

2251
01:23:34,389 --> 01:23:34,639
faced with I don't know how we

2252
01:23:35,123 --> 01:23:35,373
get word to parents I don't know

2253
01:23:36,423 --> 01:23:36,673
whether it's through the schools

2254
01:23:37,156 --> 01:23:37,406
I don't know if the government's

2255
01:23:38,423 --> 01:23:38,673
always the right way to do that

2256
01:23:40,423 --> 01:23:40,673
but just to make them aware of

2257
01:23:41,123 --> 01:23:41,373
what their kids are going

2258
01:23:42,923 --> 01:23:43,173
through today and and again I

2259
01:23:44,656 --> 01:23:44,906
don't know if that's through

2260
01:23:46,923 --> 01:23:47,173
presentation at schools or

2261
01:23:48,423 --> 01:23:48,673
wish more parents could see what

2262
01:23:49,156 --> 01:23:49,406
we're seeing today and heres

2263
01:23:50,489 --> 01:23:50,739
some of these pitfalls that are

2264
01:23:51,156 --> 01:23:51,406
out there

2265
01:23:53,123 --> 01:23:53,373
facing their kids today probably

2266
01:23:54,423 --> 01:23:54,673
right under the nose of some

2267
01:23:55,156 --> 01:23:55,406
parents are gonna know about it

2268
01:23:56,923 --> 01:23:57,173
and some aren't so I don't know

2269
01:23:58,623 --> 01:23:58,873
how we just get the word out I

2270
01:23:59,323 --> 01:23:59,573
mean you know we can have

2271
01:24:01,123 --> 01:24:01,373
penalties but just just to make

2272
01:24:03,123 --> 01:24:03,373
parents aware of the situation

2273
01:24:05,389 --> 01:24:05,639
as it exists and if this might

2274
01:24:06,656 --> 01:24:06,906
have been a better question for

2275
01:24:08,656 --> 01:24:08,906
Mr Montgomery before but if he

2276
01:24:10,656 --> 01:24:10,906
were to go back ive years ago,

2277
01:24:12,389 --> 01:24:12,639
would he have any idea that

2278
01:24:14,423 --> 01:24:14,673
in2026 we're dealing with some

2279
01:24:15,189 --> 01:24:15,439
of the issues we're dealing with

2280
01:24:17,156 --> 01:24:17,406
today and then what's that going

2281
01:24:19,156 --> 01:24:19,406
to advance to a year from now or

2282
01:24:20,489 --> 01:24:20,739
ive years from now how do we

2283
01:24:21,156 --> 01:24:21,406
foresee that

2284
01:24:23,356 --> 01:24:23,606
how do we protect our not just

2285
01:24:24,889 --> 01:24:25,139
our kids but our population from

2286
01:24:26,389 --> 01:24:26,639
some of the things that were

2287
01:24:28,656 --> 01:24:28,906
being inundated with so there

2288
01:24:29,389 --> 01:24:29,639
you go. jump in and tackle any

2289
01:24:30,089 --> 01:24:30,339
of that that you'd like to

2290
01:24:33,123 --> 01:24:33,373
weirdoICA are working really

2291
01:24:34,856 --> 01:24:35,106
hard to help get the word out

2292
01:24:38,623 --> 01:24:38,873
about both the advantages of and

2293
01:24:39,323 --> 01:24:39,573
the dangers of Ai

2294
01:24:42,389 --> 01:24:42,639
Mr Dorman writes a column every

2295
01:24:43,123 --> 01:24:43,373
week that's printed in a lot of

2296
01:24:44,889 --> 01:24:45,139
newspapers across the state and

2297
01:24:46,623 --> 01:24:46,873
we put it up online and we we

2298
01:24:48,623 --> 01:24:48,873
get it out of pretty well he's

2299
01:24:50,856 --> 01:24:51,106
done two or three on this

2300
01:24:52,656 --> 01:24:52,906
subject already and so we're

2301
01:24:53,356 --> 01:24:53,606
going to continue to do that as

2302
01:24:56,389 --> 01:24:56,639
well and and always we we

2303
01:24:58,389 --> 01:24:58,639
encourage and ask members of the

2304
01:24:59,123 --> 01:24:59,373
legislature to use us as a

2305
01:24:59,689 --> 01:24:59,939
resource as well

2306
01:25:04,623 --> 01:25:04,873
we we do have a very brag

2307
01:25:06,389 --> 01:25:06,639
about our we've got a good

2308
01:25:07,089 --> 01:25:07,339
communications operation we get

2309
01:25:08,856 --> 01:25:09,106
the word out and we're going to

2310
01:25:10,856 --> 01:25:11,106
continue to do that whether

2311
01:25:13,089 --> 01:25:13,339
it be on on whatever issue that

2312
01:25:14,856 --> 01:25:15,106
helps children that has the

2313
01:25:16,656 --> 01:25:16,906
potential to make life better

2314
01:25:17,356 --> 01:25:17,606
for Oklahoma's children that

2315
01:25:18,856 --> 01:25:19,106
that's our whole purpose for

2316
01:25:21,123 --> 01:25:21,373
being and to be honest we'd

2317
01:25:22,856 --> 01:25:23,106
love a day we're we're not

2318
01:25:24,623 --> 01:25:24,873
needed anymore so we're going

2319
01:25:26,856 --> 01:25:27,106
to continue to do that giving

2320
01:25:29,123 --> 01:25:29,373
parents resources as to what is

2321
01:25:29,789 --> 01:25:30,039
available out there but

2322
01:25:32,656 --> 01:25:32,906
let me give you a little hope

2323
01:25:33,323 --> 01:25:33,573
senator

2324
01:25:36,356 --> 01:25:36,606
when you look at those numbers

2325
01:25:38,356 --> 01:25:38,606
of the polling and and where the

2326
01:25:39,089 --> 01:25:39,339
people are on these issues

2327
01:25:42,389 --> 01:25:42,639
they're aware they know that

2328
01:25:42,956 --> 01:25:43,206
there are problems and

2329
01:25:46,889 --> 01:25:47,139
this gives you and your

2330
01:25:48,389 --> 01:25:48,639
colleagues and extraordinary

2331
01:25:50,623 --> 01:25:50,873
opportunity to to get out over

2332
01:25:52,389 --> 01:25:52,639
the tip of the skis as they like

2333
01:25:54,856 --> 01:25:55,106
to say right now I think Ai

2334
01:25:56,589 --> 01:25:56,839
is out over the tip of the skis

2335
01:25:58,689 --> 01:25:58,939
they're they're beyond the wild

2336
01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:00,906
west there it's advancing so

2337
01:26:02,389 --> 01:26:02,639
rapidly I don't think that that

2338
01:26:04,389 --> 01:26:04,639
ive years ago anybody would have

2339
01:26:05,123 --> 01:26:05,373
imagined this who knows what

2340
01:26:07,123 --> 01:26:07,373
it's gonna look like in a year I

2341
01:26:08,656 --> 01:26:08,906
you know I'm at the age now

2342
01:26:09,223 --> 01:26:09,473
where I'm thinking more about

2343
01:26:10,623 --> 01:26:10,873
grandkids than I am about my

2344
01:26:12,689 --> 01:26:12,939
kids and and of course you

2345
01:26:13,256 --> 01:26:13,506
know

2346
01:26:16,356 --> 01:26:16,606
I'll just tell you this my son

2347
01:26:17,023 --> 01:26:17,273
grew up online

2348
01:26:20,389 --> 01:26:20,639
we kept very close eye on him

2349
01:26:21,123 --> 01:26:21,373
and what he wants to do in the

2350
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:23,439
air force is cybersecurity that

2351
01:26:23,856 --> 01:26:24,106
that kind of

2352
01:26:27,089 --> 01:26:27,339
set in his head what where he

2353
01:26:29,089 --> 01:26:29,339
wanted to take his career and so

2354
01:26:30,623 --> 01:26:30,873
that's what he's gonna most

2355
01:26:32,389 --> 01:26:32,639
likely be doing in the air force

2356
01:26:34,623 --> 01:26:34,873
is working cybersecurity and so

2357
01:26:35,256 --> 01:26:35,506
there are people

2358
01:26:38,389 --> 01:26:38,639
who understand the challenges

2359
01:26:39,156 --> 01:26:39,406
and what we need to do is

2360
01:26:42,856 --> 01:26:43,106
continue to empower them and

2361
01:26:44,856 --> 01:26:45,106
one way to do that is continue

2362
01:26:46,656 --> 01:26:46,906
work by this legislature

2363
01:26:48,389 --> 01:26:48,639
continued work by organizations

2364
01:26:50,423 --> 01:26:50,673
like us to let people know what

2365
01:26:52,923 --> 01:26:53,173
is going on and that there is

2366
01:26:53,589 --> 01:26:53,839
hope

2367
01:26:56,389 --> 01:26:56,639
it's not going to be the easiest

2368
01:26:57,123 --> 01:26:57,373
thing in the world by any

2369
01:26:58,889 --> 01:26:59,139
stretch of the the imagination

2370
01:27:00,656 --> 01:27:00,906
but I do believe we have that

2371
01:27:01,256 --> 01:27:01,506
opportunity

2372
01:27:01,523 --> 01:27:01,773
before us

2373
01:27:08,589 --> 01:27:08,839
Senator Hicks thank you well

2374
01:27:09,223 --> 01:27:09,473
before I turn it back over to

2375
01:27:11,056 --> 01:27:11,306
you madam chairir I got just a

2376
01:27:13,356 --> 01:27:13,606
couple of things one of the

2377
01:27:16,423 --> 01:27:16,673
sadly one of the things that we

2378
01:27:17,089 --> 01:27:17,339
often ask in Oklahoma

2379
01:27:20,689 --> 01:27:20,939
before we run any piece of

2380
01:27:22,656 --> 01:27:22,906
legislation as what other states

2381
01:27:23,356 --> 01:27:23,606
have done this before

2382
01:27:24,656 --> 01:27:24,906
and

2383
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:31,289
so states that have passed Ai

2384
01:27:32,923 --> 01:27:33,173
safety legislation and that term

2385
01:27:36,423 --> 01:27:36,673
is just as broad as it can be

2386
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:37,439
or colo coloado,

2387
01:27:40,389 --> 01:27:40,639
New York, Texas, Connecticut,

2388
01:27:41,156 --> 01:27:41,406
Washington state

2389
01:27:43,156 --> 01:27:43,406
Georgiailllinois Missouri and

2390
01:27:45,156 --> 01:27:45,406
Michigan's got some pending

2391
01:27:46,923 --> 01:27:47,173
Ryan Montgomery talked about

2392
01:27:48,623 --> 01:27:48,873
Tennessee and some others that

2393
01:27:50,923 --> 01:27:51,173
are up there so it's not an

2394
01:27:52,923 --> 01:27:53,173
all encompassing list but there

2395
01:27:54,389 --> 01:27:54,639
are states that are taking

2396
01:27:54,956 --> 01:27:55,206
actions and

2397
01:27:58,889 --> 01:27:59,139
are those actions big enough

2398
01:28:00,623 --> 01:28:00,873
are they appropriate? Well, God

2399
01:28:02,389 --> 01:28:02,639
will and it will be

2400
01:28:04,923 --> 01:28:05,173
the honorable Mr Gum

2401
01:28:06,389 --> 01:28:06,639
mentioned something about

2402
01:28:08,389 --> 01:28:08,639
parents need to be parents and

2403
01:28:09,089 --> 01:28:09,339
that's absolutely right

2404
01:28:10,889 --> 01:28:11,139
I don't know what came first

2405
01:28:12,623 --> 01:28:12,873
week in chicken or egg this

2406
01:28:14,389 --> 01:28:14,639
thing all day long but the

2407
01:28:15,089 --> 01:28:15,339
reason that we have kids that

2408
01:28:17,089 --> 01:28:17,339
are doing this stuff is because

2409
01:28:20,656 --> 01:28:20,906
we have parents that for for for

2410
01:28:21,323 --> 01:28:21,573
for ill or good

2411
01:28:22,823 --> 01:28:23,073
have

2412
01:28:26,389 --> 01:28:26,639
and I don't mean to say anything

2413
01:28:28,889 --> 01:28:29,139
bad about body because if it is

2414
01:28:30,856 --> 01:28:31,106
but for the grace of God goi but

2415
01:28:32,889 --> 01:28:33,139
we've got to take more of an

2416
01:28:34,656 --> 01:28:34,906
interest in our children

2417
01:28:35,223 --> 01:28:35,473
we've got to take more of an

2418
01:28:38,389 --> 01:28:38,639
interest in each in each other

2419
01:28:40,889 --> 01:28:41,139
because the sad reality is is

2420
01:28:42,389 --> 01:28:42,639
that we we want to blame things

2421
01:28:44,389 --> 01:28:44,639
on Ai and social media and those

2422
01:28:45,123 --> 01:28:45,373
are those are the flavor of the

2423
01:28:46,623 --> 01:28:46,873
month but before that it was

2424
01:28:48,389 --> 01:28:48,639
television before that it was

2425
01:28:50,623 --> 01:28:50,873
radio. those things are made to

2426
01:28:52,856 --> 01:28:53,106
be more interesting than real

2427
01:28:53,523 --> 01:28:53,773
human beings are

2428
01:28:57,056 --> 01:28:57,306
and the it's a it's a trick they

2429
01:28:58,889 --> 01:28:59,139
seem that way but they're really

2430
01:29:00,889 --> 01:29:01,139
not more interesting than we are

2431
01:29:02,656 --> 01:29:02,906
to each other they're not more

2432
01:29:04,389 --> 01:29:04,639
interesting they're not more

2433
01:29:06,623 --> 01:29:06,873
engaging than our children are

2434
01:29:08,356 --> 01:29:08,606
and so if we'll do what we're

2435
01:29:09,089 --> 01:29:09,339
supposed to do then we'll find

2436
01:29:11,056 --> 01:29:11,306
out that our children really are

2437
01:29:13,223 --> 01:29:13,473
just as wealth of entertainment

2438
01:29:13,889 --> 01:29:14,139
of knowledge of

2439
01:29:18,356 --> 01:29:18,606
ability to stay engaged and

2440
01:29:20,356 --> 01:29:20,606
that's that's one of our most

2441
01:29:22,356 --> 01:29:22,606
important jobs that we that that

2442
01:29:24,389 --> 01:29:24,639
we have is to raise them up and

2443
01:29:25,123 --> 01:29:25,373
to bring them to the age of

2444
01:29:28,389 --> 01:29:28,639
majority physically and mentally

2445
01:29:30,623 --> 01:29:30,873
and spiritually and emotionally

2446
01:29:32,489 --> 01:29:32,739
intact and I saw a quote

2447
01:29:35,089 --> 01:29:35,339
recently that I think is

2448
01:29:36,856 --> 01:29:37,106
absolutely apropos for what

2449
01:29:38,389 --> 01:29:38,639
we're doing here or what we're

2450
01:29:40,889 --> 01:29:41,139
trying to to do and senator Ted

2451
01:29:42,823 --> 01:29:43,073
Lie or I'm sorrypresentative Cha

2452
01:29:45,089 --> 01:29:45,339
Lou the the California Democrat

2453
01:29:47,056 --> 01:29:47,306
what he said is this we are

2454
01:29:49,089 --> 01:29:49,339
moving from Ai that answers

2455
01:29:52,623 --> 01:29:52,873
questions to Ai that takes

2456
01:29:55,156 --> 01:29:55,406
actions we humans are the ones

2457
01:29:55,823 --> 01:29:56,073
that take actions the the

2458
01:29:58,689 --> 01:29:58,939
bus stops with us to quote Harry

2459
01:30:00,889 --> 01:30:01,139
Truman we are the ones that are

2460
01:30:02,623 --> 01:30:02,873
supposed to take the actions we

2461
01:30:03,256 --> 01:30:03,506
are the ones that bear the

2462
01:30:04,889 --> 01:30:05,139
responsibility for this we don't

2463
01:30:06,889 --> 01:30:07,139
get the the ability we don't get

2464
01:30:08,889 --> 01:30:09,139
the the mulligan to be able to

2465
01:30:10,889 --> 01:30:11,139
point our finger at the computer

2466
01:30:11,523 --> 01:30:11,773
and say it was his fault or her

2467
01:30:12,189 --> 01:30:12,439
fault

2468
01:30:13,089 --> 01:30:13,339
and

2469
01:30:16,889 --> 01:30:17,139
regarding us being able to do

2470
01:30:19,089 --> 01:30:19,339
things and take actions on

2471
01:30:23,123 --> 01:30:23,373
various arenas that that

2472
01:30:23,656 --> 01:30:23,906
have to do with child safety

2473
01:30:27,056 --> 01:30:27,306
you know we can see this in

2474
01:30:29,056 --> 01:30:29,306
that that things may have

2475
01:30:31,089 --> 01:30:31,339
gone too far in some areas of

2476
01:30:33,156 --> 01:30:33,406
for instance we we talked

2477
01:30:35,123 --> 01:30:35,373
about the wild west you

2478
01:30:36,856 --> 01:30:37,106
know in the wild west you could

2479
01:30:38,889 --> 01:30:39,139
go down to your corner drugstore

2480
01:30:40,623 --> 01:30:40,873
and buy a bottle of opium called

2481
01:30:42,856 --> 01:30:43,106
laudanum. OK anybody could buy

2482
01:30:43,556 --> 01:30:43,806
it and you can send your six

2483
01:30:44,623 --> 01:30:44,873
year old down there with a

2484
01:30:46,389 --> 01:30:46,639
nickel and get it or whatever

2485
01:30:48,389 --> 01:30:48,639
and now we can't do that you

2486
01:30:49,123 --> 01:30:49,373
can't get those drugs without a

2487
01:30:50,923 --> 01:30:51,173
prescription, OK and that's a

2488
01:30:53,123 --> 01:30:53,373
good thing as the FDA always

2489
01:30:53,723 --> 01:30:53,973
done everything correct? no

2490
01:30:58,423 --> 01:30:58,673
but have they done things that

2491
01:30:59,123 --> 01:30:59,373
they need to do? yes they have

2492
01:31:01,089 --> 01:31:01,339
done that we have laws that say

2493
01:31:02,889 --> 01:31:03,139
you can't buy raw milk laws that

2494
01:31:04,656 --> 01:31:04,906
say you can't buy meat that

2495
01:31:06,389 --> 01:31:06,639
doesn't that hasn't been

2496
01:31:08,856 --> 01:31:09,106
inspected by somebody and so the

2497
01:31:10,889 --> 01:31:11,139
idea that we would not be able

2498
01:31:13,323 --> 01:31:13,573
to pass laws that would protect

2499
01:31:15,156 --> 01:31:15,406
mainly children but all of our

2500
01:31:16,656 --> 01:31:16,906
citizens from some of the

2501
01:31:18,623 --> 01:31:18,873
harmful things that come to us

2502
01:31:20,923 --> 01:31:21,173
through the wonderful tool of

2503
01:31:21,556 --> 01:31:21,806
the internet

2504
01:31:23,356 --> 01:31:23,606
as I feel is errone

2505
01:31:26,856 --> 01:31:27,106
ne ous we absolutely not only

2506
01:31:28,623 --> 01:31:28,873
have the authority to do so but

2507
01:31:31,089 --> 01:31:31,339
we have the duty to do so we've

2508
01:31:33,156 --> 01:31:33,406
passed bill passed legislation

2509
01:31:35,123 --> 01:31:35,373
regarding automobile safety

2510
01:31:37,156 --> 01:31:37,406
firearm safety medicine safety

2511
01:31:38,623 --> 01:31:38,873
that's the whole reason we have

2512
01:31:41,123 --> 01:31:41,373
child safety caps on on Motrin

2513
01:31:42,656 --> 01:31:42,906
and even on things like

2514
01:31:44,423 --> 01:31:44,673
flintstones chewables you can't

2515
01:31:46,389 --> 01:31:46,639
buy spray paint in Oklahoma

2516
01:31:48,889 --> 01:31:49,139
until you turn 18. so we've got

2517
01:31:50,889 --> 01:31:51,139
a lot of places we've got a lot

2518
01:31:52,889 --> 01:31:53,139
of precedent where we have and

2519
01:31:53,589 --> 01:31:53,839
we should take action on those

2520
01:31:54,223 --> 01:31:54,473
things

2521
01:31:55,956 --> 01:31:56,206
and I'll close with this

2522
01:31:56,689 --> 01:31:56,939
in government

2523
01:31:58,956 --> 01:31:59,206
we get more

2524
01:32:04,389 --> 01:32:04,639
what we incentivize and less of

2525
01:32:06,923 --> 01:32:07,173
what we punish and so we need to

2526
01:32:08,889 --> 01:32:09,139
figure out what those things are

2527
01:32:09,589 --> 01:32:09,839
that we want

2528
01:32:13,123 --> 01:32:13,373
and incentivize those things and

2529
01:32:14,756 --> 01:32:15,006
find out what those things are

2530
01:32:15,423 --> 01:32:15,673
that we don't want

2531
01:32:18,389 --> 01:32:18,639
punish those things so that we

2532
01:32:19,156 --> 01:32:19,406
don't have any more children

2533
01:32:22,889 --> 01:32:23,139
that have made the unfortunate

2534
01:32:24,623 --> 01:32:24,873
decision to take their own lives

2535
01:32:25,256 --> 01:32:25,506
we don't have people that are

2536
01:32:26,889 --> 01:32:27,139
being damaged because they're

2537
01:32:28,423 --> 01:32:28,673
engaging with a machine instead

2538
01:32:29,123 --> 01:32:29,373
of with each other

2539
01:32:32,389 --> 01:32:32,639
and I thank the staff for all

2540
01:32:33,089 --> 01:32:33,339
the hard work that they've done

2541
01:32:34,856 --> 01:32:35,106
I thank you madam chair for

2542
01:32:36,389 --> 01:32:36,639
entertaining this study and I

2543
01:32:37,156 --> 01:32:37,406
thank God that we live in a

2544
01:32:38,856 --> 01:32:39,106
country like America where we're

2545
01:32:39,556 --> 01:32:39,806
free to speak our minds thank

2546
01:32:40,189 --> 01:32:40,439
you

2547
01:32:45,323 --> 01:32:45,573
thank you senatorhamilton I

2548
01:32:47,089 --> 01:32:47,339
probably worked on fifenate bill

2549
01:32:49,123 --> 01:32:49,373
1521 which is your bill

2550
01:32:53,123 --> 01:32:53,373
more times than I worked on

2551
01:32:54,656 --> 01:32:54,906
any of my bills list last

2552
01:32:55,189 --> 01:32:55,439
session

2553
01:32:57,123 --> 01:32:57,373
but I appreciate your passion

2554
01:32:58,856 --> 01:32:59,106
and I know we will continue to

2555
01:33:02,856 --> 01:33:03,106
work on this issue my the

2556
01:33:04,356 --> 01:33:04,606
challenge that we continue to

2557
01:33:05,123 --> 01:33:05,373
face is and it's in the first

2558
01:33:07,156 --> 01:33:07,406
line of OICA's presentation is

2559
01:33:08,889 --> 01:33:09,139
artificial intelligence offers

2560
01:33:11,123 --> 01:33:11,373
substantial economic benefits

2561
01:33:12,656 --> 01:33:12,906
and so we're not trying to

2562
01:33:14,889 --> 01:33:15,139
regulate Ai comprehensively

2563
01:33:17,423 --> 01:33:17,673
we're trying to protect our our

2564
01:33:18,956 --> 01:33:19,206
students and our minors and our

2565
01:33:19,623 --> 01:33:19,873
our most vulnerable Oklahomans

2566
01:33:20,289 --> 01:33:20,539
and

2567
01:33:24,689 --> 01:33:24,939
so my charge to industry and

2568
01:33:26,889 --> 01:33:27,139
to anyone who feels like any

2569
01:33:30,389 --> 01:33:30,639
of these proposed like pieces

2570
01:33:32,356 --> 01:33:32,606
of legislation affects could

2571
01:33:34,623 --> 01:33:34,873
affect your business and I want

2572
01:33:36,389 --> 01:33:36,639
my Spotify to keep sending me

2573
01:33:37,123 --> 01:33:37,373
songs that I like. I want

2574
01:33:38,889 --> 01:33:39,139
DoorDash to keep saying hey do

2575
01:33:40,889 --> 01:33:41,139
you also want me to deliver this

2576
01:33:43,123 --> 01:33:43,373
food to you as well so those are

2577
01:33:45,123 --> 01:33:45,373
the things that I want to

2578
01:33:47,123 --> 01:33:47,373
continue and we obviously

2579
01:33:49,156 --> 01:33:49,406
wanna protect our kids so my

2580
01:33:49,723 --> 01:33:49,973
challenge to you is if

2581
01:33:53,156 --> 01:33:53,406
don't come to us in February,

2582
01:33:54,856 --> 01:33:55,106
March, April, May complaining

2583
01:33:56,389 --> 01:33:56,639
about legislation or complaining

2584
01:33:58,489 --> 01:33:58,739
about words your time to work

2585
01:33:59,289 --> 01:33:59,539
with us is now to work with

2586
01:34:00,656 --> 01:34:00,906
Senatorhamilton to work with

2587
01:34:02,856 --> 01:34:03,106
myself. let's get this right. I

2588
01:34:04,623 --> 01:34:04,873
think we all want to do it but

2589
01:34:06,389 --> 01:34:06,639
this language obviously is very

2590
01:34:08,623 --> 01:34:08,873
technical which is why it took

2591
01:34:10,656 --> 01:34:10,906
us so much time in the spring

2592
01:34:12,856 --> 01:34:13,106
and it got bogged down and

2593
01:34:14,623 --> 01:34:14,873
that won't be happening next

2594
01:34:16,389 --> 01:34:16,639
year so thank you

2595
01:34:16,889 --> 01:34:17,139
Senatorhamilton for being a

2596
01:34:18,956 --> 01:34:19,206
bulldog on this. Anybody else

2597
01:34:19,623 --> 01:34:19,873
have anything else with that

2598
01:34:21,323 --> 01:34:21,573
we're adjourned