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our stream

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as we heard in our interim study

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earlier today, I think we can

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all agree that a well ordered

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classroom is a precondition of

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effective instruction. it's the

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foundation upon which all other

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educational activities are built

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because when chaos reigns in a

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classroom both teaching and

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learning become exponentially

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more difficult if not impossible

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and while the vast majority of

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educators intuitively understand

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and agree with this many current

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school discipline policies and

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philosophies actually undermine

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the very structure that most

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parents teachers and students

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and in my opinion our broader

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culture has largely bought into

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the lie that disciplining a

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child is the opposite of loving

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a child. I would say in reality

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proper discipline is an

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expression of love discipline

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provides students with clear

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expectations and offer

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constructive constructive

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proportional correction when

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they fall short it highlights

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the cause and effect

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relationship between actions and

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consequences and it restrains

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disruptions that are harmful

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both to the individual student

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and to the broader classroom

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environment.

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the 1891 edition of Black's laww

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dictionary states that education

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may be particular particularly

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directed to either the mental

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moral or physical powers and

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faculties but in its broadest

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and best sense it relates to

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them all

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some modern school policies

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often neglect the moral

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education of our students to the

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detriment both of our schools

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and our societyudents must be

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taught and trained to be

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virtuous not just college and

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career ready and so today's

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interim study will explore the

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proper role and limits of

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discipline in schools the impact

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of a healthy culture of

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discipline that that we can have

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on on all educational outcomes

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character formation and teacher

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recruitment and retention and

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also practical steps the

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legislature might take to

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support Oklahoma educators

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in maintaining well ordered

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classrooms and schools

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and to help guide us on that

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exploration we've got a great

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speaker joining us today so

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Lauren Gruel will be speaking to

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us she's the associate counsel

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at the Wisconsin Institute for

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Law and Liberty she has an

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undergrad degree from hillsdale

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College and went to law school

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at Regent University. She

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focuses on legal and policy

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issues related to K-12 education

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specifically and has played an

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instrumental role in creating

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policy solutions regarding

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school discipline issues both in

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Wisconsin and around the country

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and to to give

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all of us an idea of the flow

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today Law presentation is going

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to be divided into two sections

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identifying or kind of

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identifying the problem and then

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this next section on identifying

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solutions and we'll take

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questions after each of those

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sections and so I'd encourage

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everyone to keep a notepad handy

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be jotting down questions we

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should have plenty of time for

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you to ask them so without

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further ado Lauren the floor is

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yours

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thank youpresentative Hall.

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good afternoon. my name is

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Laurenrole and aspresentative

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Hall mentioned I'm one of the

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attorneys at the Wisconsin

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Institute for Law and Liberty

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and I specialize in K through

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1w2 education law and I'm here

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today to give an overview of

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teacher authority, student

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discipline and classroom

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management and what you as

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legislators could potentially do

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to ensure that teachers feel

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supported and students feel

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but first I obli obligatorily

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thewisconsin institute for

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Law and Liberty or will is

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the501c3 nonprofit or a policy

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and litigation firm that works

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to advance limited government

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free speech, transparency and

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education reform across the

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country and to further that

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education reform piece we have

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created the reststoring American

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education initiative. So

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restoring American

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education is an initiative by

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the Wisconsin institute for Law

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and Liberty designed to engage

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parents, school board members

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and teachers by giving them an

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understanding of the concerns

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and trends in education while

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providing model school board

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policies and other resources to

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produce positive change at the

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local level re RAE has three

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main facets resources for

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parents resources for teachers

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and resources for school boards

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and then in Wisconsin we also

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have a school scorecard which

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gives grades to all of our

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school school districts in the

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but through the restoring

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American education initiative

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will has done a lot of work with

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students and educators and

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families and have had an

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opportunity to hear their

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concerns about the issues that

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are actually affecting their

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schools and we here over and

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over again that student

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disciplining classroom

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management need to be priorities

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in schools

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I'm here to talk to you today

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about how to confront classroom

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disruption and teacher burnout.

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but first I wanted to share why

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you should care about those

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things. So first and foremost we

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have a nationwide teacher

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shortage.

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research shows that in2026 there

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were tens of thousands of

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teaching positions left unfilled

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across the country and those

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unfilled positions have actually

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increased in

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recent years specifically

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from2025. in the packets that

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you received from Representative

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just so you know is citations

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for all of these studies that

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I cite throughout the

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presentation they are not an

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alphabetical order they are in

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order of when I talk about them

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so one of the first ones that

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referencing there

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so while there can be a

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multitude of reasons why

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teachers are leaving the

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profession. there are really two

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that stick out over and over

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again in all of the surveys that

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we see from across the country.

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administrative support

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state-based news organizations

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the state's largest school

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district to see why these

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teachers were leaving.

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those exit surveys showed that 1

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in5 Milwaukee public school

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teachers cited personal safety

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the reasons that they were

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leaving the school district.

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studenthavi was the top source

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of job related stress for over

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half the teachers that responded

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managing studentha actually came

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pay so student behavior came in

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teachers than pay or than the

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hours that they're working which

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to make matters worse, previous

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administrators only sometimes or

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never enforced student codes of

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conduct and they didn't feel

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public school teachers were very

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satisfied with their jobs

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and teachers said that more

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support for student discipline

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related issues would actually

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improve their mental well being

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know four things

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overall teachers are not

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satisfied with their jobs

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the top reported stressor job

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stressor with student behavior

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coming in above pay and working

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hours. Teachers do not feel

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supported by their

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administration and therefore

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teachers are leaving the

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national school or teacher

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bad enough with classroom sizes

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among other issues

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lack of good consistent teachers

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greatly affects student learning

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outcomes. national data shows

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that 12th grade math scores have

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fallen to their lowest levels

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since the national assessment of

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educationalgress or the NAP has

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begun in2005.

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and right here in Oklahoma only

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about 1 in4 students scored

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proficient or advanced on state

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reading and math for

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the202425 school year and I

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think you guys will be getting

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new data on that in december or

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around then

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but without consistent and

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reliable educators these

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proficiency scores are not going

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so Will saw these reports about

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teacher shortages about student

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proficiency and teacher

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dissatisfaction and decided to

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dig a little bit deeper. We

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connected with dozens of

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get their stories on student

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and teacher burnout. Of these

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teachers a few mostly who have

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moved on from public school

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either by teaching in private

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schools or who have left the

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profession altogether

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we're willing to tell their

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stories on camera. The result is

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this mini documentary called

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Classrooms andrisis. it's only

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about7 minutes long so

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hopefully there won't be any

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tech issues and we can play it

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for you in full so that you can

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hear the stories of these

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teachers from them themselves.

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I was crouched down helping

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another student who was working

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on the floor and she came up and

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pushed me from behind. you know

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these are kids we want to

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forgive them and I'll you know

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allow them to come back in

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that's really hard to then let

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them come back in when we all

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sort of felt unsafe

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rze for help inside a Milwaukee

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public school as chaos

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unfoldeder innosha wo middle

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school students arrested for

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making threats at Kenosha

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schools two teachers coming

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forward tonight with safety

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concerns about their jobs some

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parents say they're afraid to

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send their kids to school and

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want change

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Wisconsinducation we have

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noticed a concerning trend the

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number of teachers willing to

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work in public schools is going

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down.est scores are going down

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but the incidence of behavior

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issues and classroom disruptions

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and safety concerns are going up

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think for teachers that is the

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biggest

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struggle having to try and

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figure out what to do with these

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behaviors that maybe they

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don't even understand within

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their classroom

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as a teacher it isn't fair for a

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child to see me get blatantly

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disrespected time and time again

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and your good kids eventually

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shut down and have a hard time

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because they don't want to see

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their teacher being disrespected

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but you ask any teacher when

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they go home what really gets

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under their skin it's when they

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told a student to sit down and

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the student looked at them and

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said

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no.

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and went and sat elsewhere

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because what does that

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communicate to the teacher it

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communicates you're not worthy

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of respect.

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while there were many teachers

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that didn't want to share their

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names their schools or even be

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on camera which really speaks to

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the larger issue here they don't

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feel comfortable speaking out.

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Many others were willing to come

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forward and share their story

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with us.

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there has been a

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a pretty deliberate effort on

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the part of administration and

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districts as a whole to reduce

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suspensions and to reduce

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disciplinary incidents and

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that's for the purpose of being

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able to show data to

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media and

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decision makers that

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the situation is improving but

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when they would tell us not to

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report certain behaviors

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it would kind of undermine us as

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teachers we would feel as though

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then we are setting the

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precedent that that's acceptable

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in our classrooms

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administration it is absolutely

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their job to deal with these

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behaviors that's why we have

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deans of students that's why we

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have vice principals if it was

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100% up to the teachers then go

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ahead and get rid of those

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positions and give me their

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salary.

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think there does need to be some

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transparency in here are the

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policies here are the procedures

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here's what we're doing for

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teachers to help and empower

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them to do better how

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I think without administrative

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supporthas can't get better

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until you have

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things in place to deal with the

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behavior at hand otherwise all

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learning is going to stop

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just teaching these teachers are

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the disciplinarians they are the

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ones that are in charge of

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maintaining their classroom and

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and maintaining an environment

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that's conducive to learning

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but when you have the backup of

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the administration and the

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higher ups it makes that job

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that much more palatable and

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easier to do sending a kid back

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to class immediately after

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they've been kicked out

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it's probably the single most

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detrimental practice that an

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administrator can carry out to

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undermine a teacher's authority

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have had to intervene in fights

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several times one of the the

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common aspects of the fights

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that occur in the schools is

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it's usually not just one

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student fighting another

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student. these are often

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multiple students

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getting up on one student or

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multiple students fighting

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multiple students have had to

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intervene many times and have

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been injured before doing so

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that can be a huge problem and

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you get enough of those kids

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that are doing that type of

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stuff and there's no

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consequences for it nobody's

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held accountable for it it's

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easy to lose control of a class.

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situations where you know we're

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kind of told well that's

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cultural you know they fight

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they swear they you know we

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can't really do that that's you

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know that you just have to

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accept that that's the way that

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is that's how they were raised

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well no because someday they're

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going to graduate high school

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and the police department is not

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going to ask for an IEP they're

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not going to ask how they were

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raised and so if these kids

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aren't learning these

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consequences now they're going

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to learn in a really

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not great way once they leave

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high school

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is hosting a series of fairs to

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fill the gap of a major teacher

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shortage the district has at

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least 85 teacher vacancies

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it was like trying to be a

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positive role model for them

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but when you get called bad

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words all the time for months I

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just couldn't take it anymore my

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mental health it wasn't doing

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very well my health physically

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wasn't doing well. I mean I was

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even like losing hair so when I

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was teaching there were times

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where I felt like

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I just was being incredibly

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ineffective we're not

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superheroes right we don't have

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special powers you can only do

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as much as you can in a24 hour

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day.

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we actually saw from a report

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gathered on exit surveys from

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Milwaukee public schools that a

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top reason that teachers are

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leaving the profession in

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general is because of personal

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safety concerns this is not a

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theoretical threat

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left public school and took a

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huge pay cut to go to private

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school because

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the environment is drastically

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different. all of the surveys

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that I've seen

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have put behavior as the number

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one reason that teachers

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consider leaving the classroom

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it's above stress it's above pay

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it's above politics and we're

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helping these kids and what

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we're doing is hurting them

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every time that we allow a

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student to act inappropriately

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to be disrespectful to break the

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law and and to not hold them

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accountable we think we're being

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kind it is it is the worst form

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of abuse because we are not

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preparing them for adulthood

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if nothing changes we are going

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to

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deal with the negative outcomes

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of students being uneducated

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students going to school and

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learning that school is not a

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place where they can gain skills

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and knowledge that's going to

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help them feel like for teachers

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to feel supported in public

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schools teachers need to feel

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backed up

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by parents administration

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nothing happens teachers will

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continue to leave the profession

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which will be a huge disservice

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to students across the state of

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Wisconsin. we need to feel like

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we are safe when we go to work

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we need to feel like children

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are safe not only do we feel so

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much pressure we just know that

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it's almost

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impossible to get to where they

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want these kids to be or to get

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these schools to where they want

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to be because

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the the big problem is not being

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dealt with

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Cool so as I've already

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alluded to both in the video and

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earlier today there were many

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more teachers who were not

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comfortable being on camera.

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I mean you can see on the screen

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here and you saw in the

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documentary this gentleman was

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blurred out and his voice was

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changed because he still works

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in a public school and felt like

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he couldn't talk about an issue

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that he's experiencing right now

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he can't criticize his

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administration because he'

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ll face retaliatory measures

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so it's it's unfortunate that

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really we have a hard time

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getting teachers to come forward

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and actually talk about these

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experiences that they're facing

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because they're so afraid of

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what's going to happen to their

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jobs

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I interviewed many teachers that

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were not willing to be on camera

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at all.

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and I wanted to share a few

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of those statements that those

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other teachers made during our

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interviews because I I think

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they're just as powerful as some

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of the ones that you just heard

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in that documentary from people

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who were willing to be on camera

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so the teacher said so I can

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tell you what I've witnessed in

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elementary school in the

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hallways students screaming

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running down the hallways

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kicking garbage cans screaming

592
00:19:24,003 --> 00:19:24,253
from the top of their lungs in

593
00:19:26,036 --> 00:19:26,286
the classroom and then staying

594
00:19:28,036 --> 00:19:28,286
in school and being allowed to

595
00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:29,820
continue disrupting everyone

596
00:19:31,553 --> 00:19:31,803
else's learning and the teacher

597
00:19:32,303 --> 00:19:32,553
being very frustrated because

598
00:19:33,836 --> 00:19:34,086
they don't have any power to

599
00:19:35,586 --> 00:19:35,836
help that student make a better

600
00:19:37,536 --> 00:19:37,786
choice so the student continues

601
00:19:40,086 --> 00:19:40,336
and the students they know that

602
00:19:42,036 --> 00:19:42,286
they have the power they know

603
00:19:44,053 --> 00:19:44,303
that there's no consequence and

604
00:19:45,570 --> 00:19:45,820
they know they can do whatever

605
00:19:47,586 --> 00:19:47,836
they want and eye witnessed that

606
00:19:49,786 --> 00:19:50,036
so I followed up with a question

607
00:19:51,553 --> 00:19:51,803
I said when you say that

608
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:53,570
teachers didn't have the power

609
00:19:55,336 --> 00:19:55,586
to deal with that behavior? Is

610
00:19:56,053 --> 00:19:56,303
that because the administration

611
00:19:59,320 --> 00:19:59,570
didn't allow you to or why do

612
00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,570
you say that and the teacher

613
00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:02,520
responded saying because

614
00:20:04,053 --> 00:20:04,303
nothing was ever done so if they

615
00:20:06,086 --> 00:20:06,336
would call for support support

616
00:20:07,553 --> 00:20:07,803
might come they'd take the child

617
00:20:08,220 --> 00:20:08,470
but the

618
00:20:11,336 --> 00:20:11,586
child would come back in one

619
00:20:12,053 --> 00:20:12,303
minute and they'd continue the

620
00:20:14,036 --> 00:20:14,286
behavior so nothing happened.

621
00:20:15,786 --> 00:20:16,036
there was no change that

622
00:20:16,370 --> 00:20:16,620
happened by calling for support.

623
00:20:21,820 --> 00:20:22,070
Another teacher said and the

624
00:20:24,086 --> 00:20:24,336
teacher blaming is just insane

625
00:20:24,753 --> 00:20:25,003
terrible

626
00:20:27,553 --> 00:20:27,803
well ok here's a perfect

627
00:20:29,803 --> 00:20:30,053
example. I have a first grader

628
00:20:31,553 --> 00:20:31,803
and I teach second grade but we

629
00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:33,786
have a 1st grader who I mean

630
00:20:35,603 --> 00:20:35,853
literally destroys my

631
00:20:36,053 --> 00:20:36,303
colleague's classrooms

632
00:20:38,036 --> 00:20:38,286
she had another student that

633
00:20:38,703 --> 00:20:38,953
stabbed her in the arm this

634
00:20:39,253 --> 00:20:39,503
year.

635
00:20:42,070 --> 00:20:42,320
she has got her hands full with

636
00:20:43,786 --> 00:20:44,036
behavior, multiple behaviors in

637
00:20:44,453 --> 00:20:44,703
this classroom

638
00:20:47,336 --> 00:20:47,586
and of course the administrators

639
00:20:49,570 --> 00:20:49,820
blame her. They say she's being

640
00:20:51,336 --> 00:20:51,586
too negative. it's been horrible

641
00:20:53,836 --> 00:20:54,086
as a JEA rep which is like a

642
00:20:56,036 --> 00:20:56,286
teacher union representative

643
00:20:57,553 --> 00:20:57,803
I've had to step in numerous

644
00:20:59,536 --> 00:20:59,786
times just to keep her going

645
00:21:01,536 --> 00:21:01,786
because she was so depressed she

646
00:21:02,253 --> 00:21:02,503
would come to school with her

647
00:21:04,103 --> 00:21:04,353
hair grey. I mean she just looks

648
00:21:05,820 --> 00:21:06,070
like somebody was whipping her.

649
00:21:08,086 --> 00:21:08,336
She just hates it. she wants to

650
00:21:09,820 --> 00:21:10,070
quit. I don't think she'll be

651
00:21:11,786 --> 00:21:12,036
back next year. I really don't.

652
00:21:13,870 --> 00:21:14,120
I think she wants out she's

653
00:21:14,436 --> 00:21:14,686
applying out of

654
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:17,570
education and I can't blame her

655
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:19,570
either. There's6 teachers in

656
00:21:19,953 --> 00:21:20,203
this building that are talking

657
00:21:21,353 --> 00:21:21,603
about not coming back to

658
00:21:23,336 --> 00:21:23,586
education in general, not just

659
00:21:24,036 --> 00:21:24,286
the school but they want out

660
00:21:24,703 --> 00:21:24,953
completely.

661
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:31,570
Another teacher said he would

662
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:33,570
talking about a student then

663
00:21:35,336 --> 00:21:35,586
come at me just passing him in

664
00:21:35,986 --> 00:21:36,236
the hall like he's gonna hit me

665
00:21:39,336 --> 00:21:39,586
so of course I was very tough.

666
00:21:40,086 --> 00:21:40,336
you know I'm like don't you

667
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:42,320
dare. I will call the police

668
00:21:45,570 --> 00:21:45,820
which I was told you can't call

669
00:21:47,853 --> 00:21:48,103
the police but I know that if a

670
00:21:49,870 --> 00:21:50,120
child hits you, I don't think

671
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:51,570
they'll do anything that's the

672
00:21:53,336 --> 00:21:53,586
sad thing but by the law I can

673
00:21:54,086 --> 00:21:54,336
call the police but our admins

674
00:21:55,403 --> 00:21:55,653
are telling us we can't

675
00:22:00,236 --> 00:22:00,486
Another teacher said I mean I

676
00:22:01,836 --> 00:22:02,086
had incidents where I had a

677
00:22:03,820 --> 00:22:04,070
student throwing objects at

678
00:22:06,036 --> 00:22:06,286
myself throwing objects at other

679
00:22:08,086 --> 00:22:08,336
students and I would call you

680
00:22:09,820 --> 00:22:10,070
know we were expected to call

681
00:22:11,586 --> 00:22:11,836
administrators when that would

682
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:13,570
happen and there were times I

683
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:14,170
would call and nobody would

684
00:22:15,553 --> 00:22:15,803
answer. There were times I would

685
00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:17,836
call and I would be told nobody

686
00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:18,470
is available to come get the

687
00:22:18,886 --> 00:22:19,136
child.

688
00:22:21,836 --> 00:22:22,086
there were times when I when I

689
00:22:23,586 --> 00:22:23,836
would call and the child would

690
00:22:25,820 --> 00:22:26,070
come and be removed only to be

691
00:22:28,120 --> 00:22:28,370
returned you know5 minutes later

692
00:22:31,303 --> 00:22:31,553
still just as disregulated. It

693
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:32,170
got to the point where I was

694
00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:34,103
like, well you know they're

695
00:22:35,620 --> 00:22:35,870
hitting me but they're not

696
00:22:36,186 --> 00:22:36,436
hitting other students

697
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,570
I'm not gonna call because I

698
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:40,370
don't feel like I always got the

699
00:22:40,786 --> 00:22:41,036
support when I called.

700
00:22:45,836 --> 00:22:46,086
and then I have this one as well

701
00:22:47,586 --> 00:22:47,836
and now this is the last one I'm

702
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,570
going to read off but I think

703
00:22:50,086 --> 00:22:50,336
it's a a very powerful one. This

704
00:22:51,820 --> 00:22:52,070
comes from a teacher who left

705
00:22:53,353 --> 00:22:53,603
teaching to be in the air

706
00:22:54,086 --> 00:22:54,336
forcece. she ended up serving in

707
00:22:57,336 --> 00:22:57,586
Iraq and she said I'll tell

708
00:22:59,320 --> 00:22:59,570
you the reason I left public

709
00:23:01,336 --> 00:23:01,586
school is because I felt safer

710
00:23:02,103 --> 00:23:02,353
in a war zone than I felt in

711
00:23:02,770 --> 00:23:03,020
public school.

712
00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:06,870
oh and now we got a loading

713
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:07,970
symbol maybe

714
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:15,570
so I'm gonna get more into

715
00:23:15,903 --> 00:23:16,153
the Wisconsin Teacher bill of

716
00:23:18,270 --> 00:23:18,520
rights in a second in a few

717
00:23:19,586 --> 00:23:19,836
minutes I should say but I

718
00:23:21,336 --> 00:23:21,586
wanted to share what one of

719
00:23:23,336 --> 00:23:23,586
thewisconsin senators said

720
00:23:25,336 --> 00:23:25,586
during the floor vote this year

721
00:23:26,003 --> 00:23:26,253
on that bill

722
00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:38,070
there are teachers who

723
00:23:51,603 --> 00:23:51,853
there are teachers who are

724
00:23:53,386 --> 00:23:53,636
getting broken arms. I know some

725
00:23:55,636 --> 00:23:55,886
couldn't be me

726
00:24:02,103 --> 00:24:02,353
because when you break my arm

727
00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:03,620
everything is off the table

728
00:24:07,820 --> 00:24:08,070
but um'm I'm I'm just saying

729
00:24:09,820 --> 00:24:10,070
that we want to make sure that

730
00:24:11,586 --> 00:24:11,836
the schools have the resources

731
00:24:12,236 --> 00:24:12,486
that they need in order to do

732
00:24:15,970 --> 00:24:16,220
what is a very sensible idea

733
00:24:21,336 --> 00:24:21,586
there I wanted to share her

734
00:24:23,336 --> 00:24:23,586
testimony specifically because

735
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:24,370
she is a democratic senator from

736
00:24:27,586 --> 00:24:27,836
Milwaukee and there's not a

737
00:24:30,120 --> 00:24:30,370
whole lot that theubs and the

738
00:24:31,570 --> 00:24:31,820
Democrats and the Wisconsin

739
00:24:33,553 --> 00:24:33,803
senate agree on but one of the

740
00:24:35,336 --> 00:24:35,586
things is that this is sensible

741
00:24:37,336 --> 00:24:37,586
this this discussion about

742
00:24:38,036 --> 00:24:38,286
school discipline is sensible

743
00:24:40,103 --> 00:24:40,353
and she also has personal

744
00:24:41,853 --> 00:24:42,103
experiences with people that she

745
00:24:44,053 --> 00:24:44,303
knows who had their arms broken

746
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:44,970
in the classroom.

747
00:24:47,386 --> 00:24:47,636
that's ok

748
00:24:58,220 --> 00:24:58,470
right

749
00:25:00,086 --> 00:25:00,336
oh here I can

750
00:25:01,886 --> 00:25:02,136
I'll scroll to the

751
00:25:03,820 --> 00:25:04,070
maybe hopefully

752
00:25:19,570 --> 00:25:19,820
not sure

753
00:25:21,420 --> 00:25:21,670
yeah

754
00:25:23,536 --> 00:25:23,786
for sure

755
00:25:26,236 --> 00:25:26,486
ch n ology is fun isn't it

756
00:25:35,603 --> 00:25:35,853
OK so I really I I think it's

757
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:37,570
important that we took the time

758
00:25:37,970 --> 00:25:38,220
to go through teacher

759
00:25:39,386 --> 00:25:39,636
experiences and really highlight

760
00:25:40,053 --> 00:25:40,303
why

761
00:25:42,170 --> 00:25:42,420
this is so important and you can

762
00:25:43,903 --> 00:25:44,153
actually hear it from teachers

763
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:44,770
who are in the field talking

764
00:25:45,186 --> 00:25:45,436
about it

765
00:25:48,086 --> 00:25:48,336
but how do how did we get here

766
00:25:49,786 --> 00:25:50,036
because I'm sure some of you are

767
00:25:51,353 --> 00:25:51,603
thinking this is not what it was

768
00:25:52,103 --> 00:25:52,353
like when I was in public school

769
00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:55,820
I'm an older enz and it

770
00:25:57,353 --> 00:25:57,603
wasn't even this bad when I was

771
00:25:58,103 --> 00:25:58,353
in school maybe a little towards

772
00:26:00,086 --> 00:26:00,336
the end but really for the

773
00:26:02,086 --> 00:26:02,336
most part it was it it wasn't

774
00:26:05,603 --> 00:26:05,853
this bad so a lot of this

775
00:26:08,170 --> 00:26:08,420
stems from federal regulations.

776
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:10,370
One of the regulations at issue

777
00:26:13,586 --> 00:26:13,836
here is Title6. Title6 itself is

778
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:14,570
very very sensible and most of

779
00:26:14,986 --> 00:26:15,236
you

780
00:26:16,536 --> 00:26:16,786
are probably familiar with it

781
00:26:19,770 --> 00:26:20,020
Title6 of the Civil Rights Act

782
00:26:22,086 --> 00:26:22,336
of 1964 prohibits discrimination

783
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:25,570
on the basis of color, race and

784
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:27,570
national origin in programs and

785
00:26:28,036 --> 00:26:28,286
activities that receive federal

786
00:26:29,586 --> 00:26:29,836
financial assistance. This

787
00:26:31,570 --> 00:26:31,820
applies to both public and

788
00:26:33,570 --> 00:26:33,820
private schools and Title6

789
00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:35,803
ensures that no one is excluded

790
00:26:37,553 --> 00:26:37,803
from participation in or denied

791
00:26:39,786 --> 00:26:40,036
the benefits of or subject to

792
00:26:41,353 --> 00:26:41,603
discrimination under any

793
00:26:43,586 --> 00:26:43,836
educational program or activity

794
00:26:46,370 --> 00:26:46,620
based on race. The problem is

795
00:26:47,036 --> 00:26:47,286
during the Obama and Biden

796
00:26:49,603 --> 00:26:49,853
administrations the Department

797
00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:51,870
of Education passed guidance

798
00:26:53,336 --> 00:26:53,586
that required schools to

799
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:55,570
discriminate on the basis of

800
00:26:57,636 --> 00:26:57,886
race, particularly as it rates

801
00:26:58,303 --> 00:26:58,553
relates to student discipline.

802
00:27:03,570 --> 00:27:03,820
this it there was a huge shift

803
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:05,570
away from issues and

804
00:27:06,036 --> 00:27:06,286
consequences more towards

805
00:27:09,553 --> 00:27:09,803
restorative justice as a mindset

806
00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:12,070
so in the summer of2011, the

807
00:27:13,820 --> 00:27:14,070
Obama Department of Education

808
00:27:15,603 --> 00:27:15,853
and department of justice

809
00:27:17,603 --> 00:27:17,853
launched the supportive school

810
00:27:19,603 --> 00:27:19,853
discipline initiative in order

811
00:27:21,803 --> 00:27:22,053
to combat increased discipline

812
00:27:25,336 --> 00:27:25,586
of students then in January2014

813
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:26,320
the Obama administration

814
00:27:27,770 --> 00:27:28,020
released a dear colleague letter

815
00:27:28,436 --> 00:27:28,686
on the nondiscriminator

816
00:27:30,153 --> 00:27:30,403
y administration of school

817
00:27:30,703 --> 00:27:30,953
discipline

818
00:27:33,803 --> 00:27:34,053
in this letter the Obama

819
00:27:35,553 --> 00:27:35,803
Department of Ed strongly

820
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:37,570
recommended that schools shift

821
00:27:38,036 --> 00:27:38,286
interventions shift to

822
00:27:39,820 --> 00:27:40,070
interventions like conflict

823
00:27:43,336 --> 00:27:43,586
solution restorative practices

824
00:27:45,336 --> 00:27:45,586
counseling and structured

825
00:27:46,086 --> 00:27:46,336
systems of positive

826
00:27:48,053 --> 00:27:48,303
interventions. The reason for

827
00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:51,836
this shift was because quote an

828
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:53,820
increasing number of students

829
00:27:54,186 --> 00:27:54,436
were losing important

830
00:27:55,836 --> 00:27:56,086
instructional time due to

831
00:27:57,803 --> 00:27:58,053
exclusionary discipline. the

832
00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:00,070
increasing use of disciplinary

833
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:00,770
sanctions such as in schoolol

834
00:28:01,170 --> 00:28:01,420
and out of schools

835
00:28:03,886 --> 00:28:04,136
us p ens ions expulsions or

836
00:28:05,553 --> 00:28:05,803
referrals to law enforcement

837
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:08,070
authorities creates a potential

838
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:09,870
for significant negative

839
00:28:11,336 --> 00:28:11,586
educational and long term

840
00:28:13,353 --> 00:28:13,603
outcomes and can contribute to

841
00:28:15,570 --> 00:28:15,820
what has been termed the quote

842
00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:16,470
school to prison pipeline.

843
00:28:19,586 --> 00:28:19,836
the letter cited data that said

844
00:28:21,370 --> 00:28:21,620
students of certain racial or

845
00:28:22,086 --> 00:28:22,336
ethnic groups tended to be more

846
00:28:23,953 --> 00:28:24,203
disciplined than their peers

847
00:28:25,803 --> 00:28:26,053
because of this the Oama

848
00:28:27,803 --> 00:28:28,053
department of Education promised

849
00:28:29,536 --> 00:28:29,786
to begin investigating schools

850
00:28:31,836 --> 00:28:32,086
on race neutral discipline

851
00:28:34,103 --> 00:28:34,353
policies that were implemented

852
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:37,586
evenhandedly and that is a

853
00:28:39,803 --> 00:28:40,053
direct quote from the letter but

854
00:28:41,586 --> 00:28:41,836
these policies had a desperate

855
00:28:43,586 --> 00:28:43,836
impact ii a disproportionate and

856
00:28:45,586 --> 00:28:45,836
unjustified effect on students

857
00:28:46,253 --> 00:28:46,503
of a particular race

858
00:28:49,836 --> 00:28:50,086
and so for the next decade they

859
00:28:51,853 --> 00:28:52,103
investigated schools who had

860
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:55,570
race neutral evenhandedly

861
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:56,320
implemented school discipline

862
00:28:59,403 --> 00:28:59,653
policies as being racially

863
00:28:59,970 --> 00:29:00,220
discriminatory.

864
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:04,520
then in2023 during the Biden

865
00:29:06,003 --> 00:29:06,253
administration another dear

866
00:29:09,353 --> 00:29:09,603
colleague letter was released on

867
00:29:10,053 --> 00:29:10,303
discipline essentially doubling

868
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:13,570
down on the Obama era guidance

869
00:29:14,036 --> 00:29:14,286
and arguing that such

870
00:29:16,353 --> 00:29:16,603
discrimination in discipline was

871
00:29:17,020 --> 00:29:17,270
an ongoing problem.

872
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:19,570
how

873
00:29:21,620 --> 00:29:21,870
the examples cited in this memo

874
00:29:23,603 --> 00:29:23,853
rely on investigations that were

875
00:29:25,603 --> 00:29:25,853
prompted primarily and sometimes

876
00:29:27,353 --> 00:29:27,603
exclusively on disparate impact

877
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:31,620
rather than a specific event of

878
00:29:32,086 --> 00:29:32,336
intentional discrimination

879
00:29:35,353 --> 00:29:35,603
in other words discriminatory

880
00:29:37,336 --> 00:29:37,586
impact is inferred where there

881
00:29:39,336 --> 00:29:39,586
is a neutral policy or practice

882
00:29:41,586 --> 00:29:41,836
or sometimes just a results

883
00:29:43,586 --> 00:29:43,836
of the effects of one racial

884
00:29:45,586 --> 00:29:45,836
group affecting one or more one

885
00:29:47,336 --> 00:29:47,586
racial group more than another.

886
00:29:49,603 --> 00:29:49,853
so this is different from

887
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:52,370
intentional discrimination which

888
00:29:53,586 --> 00:29:53,836
in this context would mean

889
00:29:55,853 --> 00:29:56,103
harsher punishments or higher

890
00:29:57,853 --> 00:29:58,103
rates of disciplinary actions

891
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:00,370
imposed because the disciplinary

892
00:30:01,553 --> 00:30:01,803
authority was making decisions

893
00:30:02,203 --> 00:30:02,453
about

894
00:30:04,370 --> 00:30:04,620
imposing discipline and p

895
00:30:07,603 --> 00:30:07,853
punishment based on the race of

896
00:30:09,586 --> 00:30:09,836
students that's not what

897
00:30:10,103 --> 00:30:10,353
disparate impact is this that

898
00:30:13,603 --> 00:30:13,853
that would be an example of

899
00:30:15,853 --> 00:30:16,103
actual discriminatory practices

900
00:30:16,536 --> 00:30:16,786
that need to be investigated

901
00:30:17,203 --> 00:30:17,453
under Title 9.

902
00:30:21,586 --> 00:30:21,836
so what's the result of this

903
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:22,470
Obama and Biden era guidance.

904
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:27,570
schools that had completely race

905
00:30:29,353 --> 00:30:29,603
neutral policies on discipline

906
00:30:31,820 --> 00:30:32,070
began enforcing discipline less

907
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:34,570
and less to avoid investigations

908
00:30:34,986 --> 00:30:35,236
from the federal government

909
00:30:39,603 --> 00:30:39,853
and we saw just that so when

910
00:30:41,586 --> 00:30:41,836
this guidance was passed, Will

911
00:30:43,336 --> 00:30:43,586
was immediately concerned for

912
00:30:45,336 --> 00:30:45,586
two reasons. First, this

913
00:30:46,086 --> 00:30:46,336
guidance encouraged

914
00:30:48,053 --> 00:30:48,303
discrimination rather than

915
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:50,070
prevented it. schools

916
00:30:51,353 --> 00:30:51,603
implemented race conscious

917
00:30:53,336 --> 00:30:53,586
policies such as disciplining

918
00:30:55,336 --> 00:30:55,586
students differently based on

919
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:59,820
their race and then we're at

920
00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:02,120
risk of liability for actually

921
00:31:03,836 --> 00:31:04,086
violating Title6. Remember

922
00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:05,620
Title6 ensures that no one is

923
00:31:06,036 --> 00:31:06,286
excluded from

924
00:31:07,853 --> 00:31:08,103
participation in or denied the

925
00:31:09,836 --> 00:31:10,086
benefits of discrimination under

926
00:31:11,603 --> 00:31:11,853
any educational program or

927
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:13,570
activity receiving federal

928
00:31:13,903 --> 00:31:14,153
financial assistance based on

929
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:14,820
race.

930
00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:18,070
and the second thing we were

931
00:31:19,353 --> 00:31:19,603
concerned about is that efforts

932
00:31:21,553 --> 00:31:21,803
to close these disparities

933
00:31:24,086 --> 00:31:24,336
actually led to students having

934
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:26,320
a wider latitude for behavior

935
00:31:27,803 --> 00:31:28,053
that did more harm than good

936
00:31:31,586 --> 00:31:31,836
so we actually ended up

937
00:31:33,803 --> 00:31:34,053
releasing a series of studies on

938
00:31:37,353 --> 00:31:37,603
this In2017 well released feds

939
00:31:39,370 --> 00:31:39,620
in the classroom the impact of

940
00:31:40,136 --> 00:31:40,386
the Obama administration's

941
00:31:42,086 --> 00:31:42,336
discipline policy on Wisconsin's

942
00:31:45,586 --> 00:31:45,836
public schools this study found

943
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:47,570
that suspension rates in

944
00:31:51,336 --> 00:31:51,586
Wisconsin schools fell41% after

945
00:31:52,053 --> 00:31:52,303
the Obama guidance was issued

946
00:31:55,336 --> 00:31:55,586
but that concerns about school

947
00:31:56,053 --> 00:31:56,303
safety started to rise

948
00:32:00,053 --> 00:32:00,303
in this study we cite a st a

949
00:32:03,336 --> 00:32:03,586
survey that demonstrates that65%

950
00:32:04,053 --> 00:32:04,303
of teachers all the way back

951
00:32:07,336 --> 00:32:07,586
in2017 when this was released so

952
00:32:08,070 --> 00:32:08,320
almost a decade ago I know I

953
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:11,570
can't believe it either

954
00:32:13,336 --> 00:32:13,586
but65% of teachers agree that

955
00:32:14,036 --> 00:32:14,286
these new approaches to student

956
00:32:16,270 --> 00:32:16,520
discipline were and are not

957
00:32:16,820 --> 00:32:17,070
working

958
00:32:21,336 --> 00:32:21,586
we also quote a Milwaukee public

959
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:23,570
school teacher in this study who

960
00:32:25,336 --> 00:32:25,586
said in201f that students feel

961
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:26,320
empowered to misbehave because

962
00:32:29,336 --> 00:32:29,586
their teachers are not allowed

963
00:32:30,103 --> 00:32:30,353
to take actions that will

964
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:33,570
maintain control in the class.

965
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:35,570
The teacher said quote there's

966
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:36,320
nothing that's going to happen

967
00:32:37,870 --> 00:32:38,120
and the kids know it. The

968
00:32:40,103 --> 00:32:40,353
teacher says it's hard to keep

969
00:32:42,136 --> 00:32:42,386
order in the classroom when kids

970
00:32:43,603 --> 00:32:43,853
know there's going to be no

971
00:32:45,603 --> 00:32:45,853
consequence for misbehavior.

972
00:32:47,553 --> 00:32:47,803
it's a license for the other

973
00:32:48,220 --> 00:32:48,470
kids end quote

974
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:52,070
then in2018 Will released

975
00:32:53,570 --> 00:32:53,820
another study that found that

976
00:32:55,336 --> 00:32:55,586
schools that implement more

977
00:32:57,553 --> 00:32:57,803
lenient discipline policies see

978
00:32:59,586 --> 00:32:59,836
higher rates of decline in their

979
00:33:01,586 --> 00:33:01,836
academic achievement both in

980
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:05,570
reading and math so this isn't

981
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:07,570
theoretical it is actually

982
00:33:08,036 --> 00:33:08,286
affecting student outcomes in

983
00:33:08,703 --> 00:33:08,953
these schools

984
00:33:14,103 --> 00:33:14,353
next in2021 will released a

985
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:16,320
study called suspended Reality

986
00:33:18,086 --> 00:33:18,336
The Impact of suspension Policy

987
00:33:21,570 --> 00:33:21,820
on student safety. this study

988
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:23,570
again confirmed that suspension

989
00:33:24,086 --> 00:33:24,336
rates as suspension rates

990
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:26,320
declined, students reported

991
00:33:28,086 --> 00:33:28,336
feeling more unsafe in school.

992
00:33:31,336 --> 00:33:31,586
It demonstrated that lower

993
00:33:33,570 --> 00:33:33,820
suspension rates also did not

994
00:33:35,336 --> 00:33:35,586
necessarily mean improved

995
00:33:36,103 --> 00:33:36,353
behavior. there were still

996
00:33:37,853 --> 00:33:38,103
increased incidents of bad

997
00:33:39,353 --> 00:33:39,603
behavior. they just weren't

998
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,170
actually being

999
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:42,370
dealt with accordingly with

1000
00:33:42,703 --> 00:33:42,953
suspensions or expulsions

1001
00:33:47,536 --> 00:33:47,786
then after the2023 Bideden

1002
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:49,570
guidance was released well

1003
00:33:50,036 --> 00:33:50,286
released a memo on what our

1004
00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:52,070
guidance on what the guidance

1005
00:33:53,653 --> 00:33:53,903
said and what it actually means

1006
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,570
for schools

1007
00:33:57,336 --> 00:33:57,586
this memo reiterated our

1008
00:33:59,603 --> 00:33:59,853
concerns and flagged for school

1009
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:00,570
districts that they are really

1010
00:34:03,586 --> 00:34:03,836
in a lose lose situation on one

1011
00:34:05,803 --> 00:34:06,053
hand, if they implement these

1012
00:34:08,036 --> 00:34:08,286
race neutral discipline policies

1013
00:34:09,586 --> 00:34:09,836
that unintentionally result in

1014
00:34:11,586 --> 00:34:11,836
cer certain racial groups being

1015
00:34:13,336 --> 00:34:13,586
disciplined more than others.

1016
00:34:14,020 --> 00:34:14,270
The Biden administration could

1017
00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:16,053
open an investigation into the

1018
00:34:17,820 --> 00:34:18,070
district and for many schools

1019
00:34:19,553 --> 00:34:19,803
across the country that was the

1020
00:34:21,586 --> 00:34:21,836
reality. but on the other they

1021
00:34:23,353 --> 00:34:23,603
implemented if they implemented

1022
00:34:23,986 --> 00:34:24,236
race conscious discipline

1023
00:34:24,536 --> 00:34:24,786
policies they would

1024
00:34:28,153 --> 00:34:28,403
actually be violatingitle6

1025
00:34:30,070 --> 00:34:30,320
which could also lead to an

1026
00:34:32,036 --> 00:34:32,286
investigation so they were

1027
00:34:33,570 --> 00:34:33,820
really kind of stuck between a

1028
00:34:35,803 --> 00:34:36,053
rock and a hard place when it

1029
00:34:36,420 --> 00:34:36,670
came to student discipline

1030
00:34:36,986 --> 00:34:37,236
policies

1031
00:34:44,070 --> 00:34:44,320
OK these concepts actually

1032
00:34:45,870 --> 00:34:46,120
came up in our interviews with

1033
00:34:47,620 --> 00:34:47,870
teachers as well. I spoke with

1034
00:34:49,336 --> 00:34:49,586
several teachers directly that

1035
00:34:50,086 --> 00:34:50,336
brought up the issue of racial

1036
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,570
discipline policies when

1037
00:34:54,103 --> 00:34:54,353
interviewing one teacher she

1038
00:34:55,603 --> 00:34:55,853
mentioned something about

1039
00:34:56,353 --> 00:34:56,603
certain racial demographics

1040
00:34:57,570 --> 00:34:57,820
being held to different

1041
00:34:59,586 --> 00:34:59,836
standards so I asked I'm

1042
00:35:01,336 --> 00:35:01,586
interested in something you said

1043
00:35:02,136 --> 00:35:02,386
earlier about your time at

1044
00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:03,820
Madison which is one of the

1045
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:05,570
school districts in Wisconsin.

1046
00:35:07,336 --> 00:35:07,586
You mentioned that there seemed

1047
00:35:08,070 --> 00:35:08,320
to be demographics of students

1048
00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:10,053
certain races where there were

1049
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:10,720
more issues because

1050
00:35:13,836 --> 00:35:14,086
they weren't facing consequences

1051
00:35:14,570 --> 00:35:14,820
and that's something we've heard

1052
00:35:15,853 --> 00:35:16,103
from teachers in the Milwaukee

1053
00:35:17,353 --> 00:35:17,603
system who've said that the

1054
00:35:17,970 --> 00:35:18,220
school is really afraid of

1055
00:35:19,836 --> 00:35:20,086
skewing any statistics for

1056
00:35:21,603 --> 00:35:21,853
consequences suspensions,

1057
00:35:23,586 --> 00:35:23,836
expulsions that kind of a thing.

1058
00:35:25,336 --> 00:35:25,586
do you think that's happening in

1059
00:35:26,353 --> 00:35:26,603
Madison as well and the teacher

1060
00:35:29,370 --> 00:35:29,620
responded saying exactly they

1061
00:35:31,353 --> 00:35:31,603
have to report data and they

1062
00:35:31,953 --> 00:35:32,203
don't want their data to show

1063
00:35:33,586 --> 00:35:33,836
that certain races are getting

1064
00:35:34,270 --> 00:35:34,520
expelled or suspended

1065
00:35:39,586 --> 00:35:39,836
Another teacher said that

1066
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:41,620
students are discouraged from

1067
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:42,220
speaking out on this issue as

1068
00:35:43,570 --> 00:35:43,820
well so not just teachers but

1069
00:35:44,236 --> 00:35:44,486
students as well

1070
00:35:48,103 --> 00:35:48,353
she said it's all optics because

1071
00:35:49,586 --> 00:35:49,836
if learning is constantly being

1072
00:35:51,820 --> 00:35:52,070
disrupted. these students aren't

1073
00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:53,820
spending time actually doing the

1074
00:35:55,336 --> 00:35:55,586
learning they're supposed to be

1075
00:35:56,103 --> 00:35:56,353
learning you know they're not

1076
00:35:56,753 --> 00:35:57,003
graduating ready.

1077
00:35:59,820 --> 00:36:00,070
so it doesn't matter. it's

1078
00:36:02,053 --> 00:36:02,303
really frustrating for kids. I

1079
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:04,070
mean kids will complain about it

1080
00:36:06,053 --> 00:36:06,303
they're like we didn't do

1081
00:36:07,836 --> 00:36:08,086
anything because so and so had

1082
00:36:10,086 --> 00:36:10,336
their meltdown again today or so

1083
00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:11,020
and so got in a fight

1084
00:36:13,836 --> 00:36:14,086
but then they can't say that

1085
00:36:15,586 --> 00:36:15,836
because they're told well you're

1086
00:36:17,586 --> 00:36:17,836
just not being sensitive to kids

1087
00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:18,520
with special needs or you're

1088
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:21,620
being racist. so they just kind

1089
00:36:22,036 --> 00:36:22,286
of sit and say nothing

1090
00:36:27,336 --> 00:36:27,586
Another teacher still said

1091
00:36:28,036 --> 00:36:28,286
when we were discussing some of

1092
00:36:29,836 --> 00:36:30,086
the statistics that were coming

1093
00:36:31,620 --> 00:36:31,870
out of the school that he

1094
00:36:32,170 --> 00:36:32,420
teaches in

1095
00:36:35,553 --> 00:36:35,803
quote they don't want the stats

1096
00:36:37,536 --> 00:36:37,786
because somebody will make it an

1097
00:36:38,270 --> 00:36:38,520
idea that it's rationally

1098
00:36:41,603 --> 00:36:41,853
racially discriminatory. very

1099
00:36:43,586 --> 00:36:43,836
few people in public schools are

1100
00:36:45,803 --> 00:36:46,053
bona fide you know racist or

1101
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:48,070
even unconsciously doing racist

1102
00:36:48,453 --> 00:36:48,703
things it's just not true

1103
00:36:51,603 --> 00:36:51,853
but the argument needs to be

1104
00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:54,320
made that what our current

1105
00:36:55,803 --> 00:36:56,053
system is is actually

1106
00:36:57,570 --> 00:36:57,820
systemically racist because

1107
00:36:59,553 --> 00:36:59,803
who's suffering when discipline

1108
00:37:00,186 --> 00:37:00,436
is not being handled

1109
00:37:03,820 --> 00:37:04,070
appropriately it's all the other

1110
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:04,720
kids who are there to learn.

1111
00:37:08,136 --> 00:37:08,386
so I know I've thrown a lot at

1112
00:37:11,353 --> 00:37:11,603
you but if you remember

1113
00:37:12,103 --> 00:37:12,353
nothing else from this portion

1114
00:37:13,820 --> 00:37:14,070
of the presentation I want you

1115
00:37:16,053 --> 00:37:16,303
to remember three things. First,

1116
00:37:17,820 --> 00:37:18,070
student behavior is a teacher

1117
00:37:20,086 --> 00:37:20,336
retention issue. Teachers need

1118
00:37:21,853 --> 00:37:22,103
administrators to back them up

1119
00:37:23,853 --> 00:37:24,103
and good teachers when good

1120
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:25,770
teachers leave students pay the

1121
00:37:26,186 --> 00:37:26,436
price

1122
00:37:30,053 --> 00:37:30,303
2 teachers feel like they have

1123
00:37:32,003 --> 00:37:32,253
lost control of their classrooms

1124
00:37:33,820 --> 00:37:34,070
calling for help does not always

1125
00:37:35,570 --> 00:37:35,820
result in meaningful support or

1126
00:37:37,586 --> 00:37:37,836
consequences. Some teachers are

1127
00:37:39,603 --> 00:37:39,853
deciding that it's easier to

1128
00:37:41,603 --> 00:37:41,853
leave the profession than it is

1129
00:37:42,236 --> 00:37:42,486
to continue teaching under these

1130
00:37:42,903 --> 00:37:43,153
conditions

1131
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:47,570
and three that Title6 prohibits

1132
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,570
racial discrimination and that

1133
00:37:51,303 --> 00:37:51,553
principle is not the problem.

1134
00:37:53,336 --> 00:37:53,586
The problem is federal guidance

1135
00:37:54,086 --> 00:37:54,336
putting pressure on schools to

1136
00:37:55,853 --> 00:37:56,103
reduce racial disparities in

1137
00:37:58,070 --> 00:37:58,320
discipline even when facially

1138
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,570
neutral policies produced those

1139
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:03,570
disparities. Schools need to

1140
00:38:03,953 --> 00:38:04,203
address student misconduct

1141
00:38:05,870 --> 00:38:06,120
consistently without making

1142
00:38:07,836 --> 00:38:08,086
disciplinary decisions based on

1143
00:38:10,103 --> 00:38:10,353
race. So with that I'm going to

1144
00:38:12,053 --> 00:38:12,303
pause if anyone has any

1145
00:38:12,603 --> 00:38:12,853
questions on

1146
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:14,670
anything I've cited or stu yeah

1147
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,370
p re s ent ative mozoal you

1148
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:21,570
recognized thank you

1149
00:38:22,336 --> 00:38:22,586
thank you for being here

1150
00:38:27,336 --> 00:38:27,586
I wonder if you could point us

1151
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:30,120
to the studies that definitively

1152
00:38:30,536 --> 00:38:30,786
prove

1153
00:38:31,936 --> 00:38:32,186
that the

1154
00:38:35,770 --> 00:38:36,020
the discipline issues which are

1155
00:38:36,453 --> 00:38:36,703
real

1156
00:38:41,303 --> 00:38:41,553
within our classrooms are a

1157
00:38:43,836 --> 00:38:44,086
direct result of racebased

1158
00:38:44,403 --> 00:38:44,653
policies

1159
00:38:47,620 --> 00:38:47,870
having lived this

1160
00:38:51,336 --> 00:38:51,586
in some of the toughest schools

1161
00:38:52,270 --> 00:38:52,520
in our state I

1162
00:38:57,820 --> 00:38:58,070
struggle to accept the

1163
00:39:00,336 --> 00:39:00,586
correlation that you're creating

1164
00:39:03,603 --> 00:39:03,853
based on my experience in our

1165
00:39:05,603 --> 00:39:05,853
schools and so could you please

1166
00:39:07,586 --> 00:39:07,836
talk about the the studies and

1167
00:39:08,270 --> 00:39:08,520
and if you could

1168
00:39:09,803 --> 00:39:10,053
avoid

1169
00:39:11,703 --> 00:39:11,953
politics

1170
00:39:15,803 --> 00:39:16,053
I would appreciate it absolutely

1171
00:39:19,336 --> 00:39:19,586
so like I mentioned we'll

1172
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:21,570
actually released four studies

1173
00:39:22,053 --> 00:39:22,303
that were primarily based on

1174
00:39:24,270 --> 00:39:24,520
Wisconsin schools but

1175
00:39:27,553 --> 00:39:27,803
nonetheless we're all based on

1176
00:39:30,053 --> 00:39:30,303
policy that was implemented

1177
00:39:31,786 --> 00:39:32,036
after this guidance was

1178
00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:35,820
implemented so in Wisconsin the

1179
00:39:36,270 --> 00:39:36,520
system that was largely

1180
00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:37,870
implemented after this guidance

1181
00:39:39,386 --> 00:39:39,636
came out was PBIS

1182
00:39:41,853 --> 00:39:42,103
so these studies specifically

1183
00:39:44,086 --> 00:39:44,336
looked at PBIS schools schools

1184
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:47,570
that had implemented PIS versus

1185
00:39:49,603 --> 00:39:49,853
schools that didn't and compared

1186
00:39:52,086 --> 00:39:52,336
both academic outcomes who

1187
00:39:55,336 --> 00:39:55,586
was being suspended and when

1188
00:39:57,336 --> 00:39:57,586
reports of safety concerns and

1189
00:39:59,586 --> 00:39:59,836
the schools post this guidance

1190
00:40:02,070 --> 00:40:02,320
that had implemented PBIs had

1191
00:40:04,086 --> 00:40:04,336
greater issues with discipline

1192
00:40:07,603 --> 00:40:07,853
policies academic outcomes

1193
00:40:09,353 --> 00:40:09,603
among other things versus

1194
00:40:09,903 --> 00:40:10,153
schools that did not

1195
00:40:13,603 --> 00:40:13,853
implement PBIS so especially

1196
00:40:15,336 --> 00:40:15,586
those first two feds in the

1197
00:40:16,053 --> 00:40:16,303
classroom and collateral damage

1198
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:18,320
those specifically look at

1199
00:40:21,853 --> 00:40:22,103
the correlation between this

1200
00:40:24,070 --> 00:40:24,320
guidance and student outcomes

1201
00:40:26,103 --> 00:40:26,353
and achievement and discipline

1202
00:40:27,853 --> 00:40:28,103
policy. thank you what other

1203
00:40:29,853 --> 00:40:30,103
factors were considered when you

1204
00:40:31,570 --> 00:40:31,820
were completing these studies

1205
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:32,470
and how were these s studies

1206
00:40:32,886 --> 00:40:33,136
funded

1207
00:40:35,303 --> 00:40:35,553
funded

1208
00:40:37,586 --> 00:40:37,836
well so we're a501c3 nonprofit

1209
00:40:39,836 --> 00:40:40,086
organization our studies are

1210
00:40:41,336 --> 00:40:41,586
completed by our

1211
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:45,570
research PhD on staff. many of

1212
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:48,570
them are peer reviewed and he

1213
00:40:49,603 --> 00:40:49,853
would be able to better speak on

1214
00:40:51,586 --> 00:40:51,836
the methodology of how that was

1215
00:40:53,853 --> 00:40:54,103
actually completed I often

1216
00:40:55,803 --> 00:40:56,053
say I'm just an attorney I don't

1217
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:59,570
do the math stuff but he is a

1218
00:41:00,070 --> 00:41:00,320
great resource and I'd be happy

1219
00:41:01,370 --> 00:41:01,620
to connect you with him if you'd

1220
00:41:02,036 --> 00:41:02,286
like to know more about the

1221
00:41:02,586 --> 00:41:02,836
methodology and exactly

1222
00:41:06,070 --> 00:41:06,320
how he did that but all of

1223
00:41:08,053 --> 00:41:08,303
our staff is are paid via

1224
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,370
donations so donations by who

1225
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:14,370
whoever wants to give to our

1226
00:41:17,553 --> 00:41:17,803
organization thank you was

1227
00:41:19,820 --> 00:41:20,070
the funding of these public

1228
00:41:21,353 --> 00:41:21,603
schools or or does this also

1229
00:41:22,103 --> 00:41:22,353
include private schools and

1230
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:24,070
discipline issues within private

1231
00:41:27,570 --> 00:41:27,820
schools was the the funding

1232
00:41:29,336 --> 00:41:29,586
stream flowing into these

1233
00:41:30,086 --> 00:41:30,336
schools considered in these four

1234
00:41:33,353 --> 00:41:33,603
studies yeah so there's it's

1235
00:41:33,953 --> 00:41:34,203
a little bit harder to look at

1236
00:41:35,620 --> 00:41:35,870
private schools on the whole

1237
00:41:37,336 --> 00:41:37,586
because not all private schools

1238
00:41:39,603 --> 00:41:39,853
accept federal funding so titles

1239
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:41,770
huh or students right they get

1240
00:41:42,203 --> 00:41:42,453
to right

1241
00:41:43,853 --> 00:41:44,103
well inwisconsin it's a little

1242
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:45,570
bit different we have a lottery

1243
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:47,570
system so if a student applies

1244
00:41:48,086 --> 00:41:48,336
it's it's based on kind of first

1245
00:41:49,803 --> 00:41:50,053
come first serve and we also

1246
00:41:53,586 --> 00:41:53,836
have it's based on students s

1247
00:41:54,186 --> 00:41:54,436
only students under a certain

1248
00:41:55,853 --> 00:41:56,103
income threshold can apply for

1249
00:41:57,836 --> 00:41:58,086
our our school choice program so

1250
00:41:59,336 --> 00:41:59,586
a little bit different it's a

1251
00:42:00,086 --> 00:42:00,336
little bit harder to examine

1252
00:42:01,820 --> 00:42:02,070
because all public schools have

1253
00:42:03,836 --> 00:42:04,086
to implement federal guidance

1254
00:42:05,603 --> 00:42:05,853
not all private schools have to

1255
00:42:07,620 --> 00:42:07,870
so it's just harder it's like

1256
00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:08,470
apples to oranges to compare on

1257
00:42:08,886 --> 00:42:09,136
that

1258
00:42:13,586 --> 00:42:13,836
have a question too because what

1259
00:42:15,336 --> 00:42:15,586
you've explained in I'm kind of

1260
00:42:16,003 --> 00:42:16,253
interested in the second part of

1261
00:42:17,786 --> 00:42:18,036
your presentation the what you

1262
00:42:19,820 --> 00:42:20,070
explained really you showed me

1263
00:42:21,803 --> 00:42:22,053
an administration problem in a

1264
00:42:24,053 --> 00:42:24,303
federal regulation problem it's

1265
00:42:27,353 --> 00:42:27,603
not necessarily necessary a lot

1266
00:42:28,036 --> 00:42:28,286
of other areas those two right

1267
00:42:29,820 --> 00:42:30,070
there made up make up most of it

1268
00:42:31,553 --> 00:42:31,803
right there so I'm interested in

1269
00:42:32,253 --> 00:42:32,503
seeing that are there other

1270
00:42:32,803 --> 00:42:33,053
questions

1271
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:34,570
Representative Pall

1272
00:42:37,586 --> 00:42:37,836
thank you Mr chairman as you all

1273
00:42:40,103 --> 00:42:40,353
have looked at these types of

1274
00:42:42,086 --> 00:42:42,336
issues what do you see as the

1275
00:42:44,070 --> 00:42:44,320
the the lay of the land in

1276
00:42:45,820 --> 00:42:46,070
the urban areas versus the rural

1277
00:42:47,570 --> 00:42:47,820
is this a problem that spans

1278
00:42:49,553 --> 00:42:49,803
both is it is it more in one

1279
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:52,120
than the other and and and

1280
00:42:53,336 --> 00:42:53,586
we'll get into the solutions

1281
00:42:53,953 --> 00:42:54,203
later but I guess as far as the

1282
00:42:55,586 --> 00:42:55,836
problem do you see this as an

1283
00:42:56,186 --> 00:42:56,436
isolated problem or a widespread

1284
00:42:58,103 --> 00:42:58,353
problem? It is certainly a

1285
00:42:59,570 --> 00:42:59,820
widespread problem. This is not

1286
00:43:01,353 --> 00:43:01,603
isolated to just urban areas

1287
00:43:03,803 --> 00:43:04,053
and in fact sometimes in rural

1288
00:43:04,486 --> 00:43:04,736
districts districts

1289
00:43:07,203 --> 00:43:07,453
we're seeing this more than

1290
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,170
anywhere else because teachers

1291
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:09,570
are already spread very very

1292
00:43:11,336 --> 00:43:11,586
thin. they have less access to

1293
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:13,570
less teachers and less resources

1294
00:43:15,836 --> 00:43:16,086
so they typically struggle a

1295
00:43:17,570 --> 00:43:17,820
little bit more with some of

1296
00:43:18,303 --> 00:43:18,553
this implementation and

1297
00:43:19,803 --> 00:43:20,053
handling bad student behavior

1298
00:43:22,070 --> 00:43:22,320
when it comes up urban schools

1299
00:43:23,820 --> 00:43:24,070
across the country typically

1300
00:43:25,586 --> 00:43:25,836
have more money and more

1301
00:43:27,853 --> 00:43:28,103
students so while it's still

1302
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:29,570
a problem with them they do

1303
00:43:30,086 --> 00:43:30,336
typically have access to more

1304
00:43:32,136 --> 00:43:32,386
resources and then more

1305
00:43:33,620 --> 00:43:33,870
federal funding especially if

1306
00:43:34,236 --> 00:43:34,486
they are considereditle I

1307
00:43:34,803 --> 00:43:35,053
schools

1308
00:43:37,436 --> 00:43:37,686
but this is an issue everywhere

1309
00:43:39,353 --> 00:43:39,603
it's an issue that doesn't just

1310
00:43:40,053 --> 00:43:40,303
affect Wisconsin obviously

1311
00:43:41,336 --> 00:43:41,586
that's why I'm here talking to

1312
00:43:43,803 --> 00:43:44,053
you in Oklahoma today and

1313
00:43:46,103 --> 00:43:46,353
this is something when we

1314
00:43:47,836 --> 00:43:48,086
released our documentary we were

1315
00:43:49,836 --> 00:43:50,086
getting international

1316
00:43:51,336 --> 00:43:51,586
attention on it. this is

1317
00:43:53,353 --> 00:43:53,603
something that was brought up

1318
00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:55,820
by UK teachers unions as well on

1319
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:57,570
social media saying no this

1320
00:43:58,070 --> 00:43:58,320
isn't even just a US problem.

1321
00:44:00,370 --> 00:44:00,620
this is a this is a worldwide

1322
00:44:03,803 --> 00:44:04,053
problem and to to the

1323
00:44:04,253 --> 00:44:04,503
representative's points

1324
00:44:07,653 --> 00:44:07,903
I will get into a little bit of

1325
00:44:09,353 --> 00:44:09,603
how we solve these issues

1326
00:44:11,836 --> 00:44:12,086
so you know we can we can move

1327
00:44:13,836 --> 00:44:14,086
on to that if if nobody else has

1328
00:44:15,570 --> 00:44:15,820
any other questions. one other

1329
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:17,570
thing I forgotten another it's a

1330
00:44:18,053 --> 00:44:18,303
parenting problem to there's

1331
00:44:19,853 --> 00:44:20,103
it's it's three pace

1332
00:44:20,303 --> 00:44:20,553
represent rosecrants you have a

1333
00:44:20,970 --> 00:44:21,220
question

1334
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:24,270
yeah thank you Mr chairir I'm

1335
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:26,270
sorry I missed part of this I

1336
00:44:27,786 --> 00:44:28,036
talked to Representative Hall so

1337
00:44:28,486 --> 00:44:28,736
I'm kind of up to date

1338
00:44:31,836 --> 00:44:32,086
so I know you're talking about

1339
00:44:33,570 --> 00:44:33,820
Obama and Biden era discipline

1340
00:44:35,570 --> 00:44:35,820
policy. now it's not Obama or

1341
00:44:37,836 --> 00:44:38,086
Biden it's Trump. Are we having

1342
00:44:39,553 --> 00:44:39,803
the same issues or have things

1343
00:44:42,103 --> 00:44:42,353
changed I will deep dive into

1344
00:44:43,603 --> 00:44:43,853
that in just a moment. we do

1345
00:44:45,836 --> 00:44:46,086
have new federal guidance

1346
00:44:47,586 --> 00:44:47,836
that we have yet to see the

1347
00:44:49,336 --> 00:44:49,586
effects of because that was just

1348
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:50,270
just put out August 18th of this

1349
00:44:50,670 --> 00:44:50,920
year.

1350
00:44:55,636 --> 00:44:55,886
there any other questions yes

1351
00:44:56,303 --> 00:44:56,553
representative Parazano

1352
00:44:59,320 --> 00:44:59,570
you want to circle back to the

1353
00:45:01,820 --> 00:45:02,070
PBIs model and and do these four

1354
00:45:03,603 --> 00:45:03,853
studies include an analysis of

1355
00:45:05,603 --> 00:45:05,853
the PBIS how many schools were

1356
00:45:07,553 --> 00:45:07,803
involved I am a former principal

1357
00:45:09,553 --> 00:45:09,803
who implemented PBIS

1358
00:45:14,336 --> 00:45:14,586
and had these wrapround services

1359
00:45:17,603 --> 00:45:17,853
and and the experience that you

1360
00:45:19,603 --> 00:45:19,853
portray is not the experience

1361
00:45:21,570 --> 00:45:21,820
that we had but I do think

1362
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:23,570
it's a staffing issue I think

1363
00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:25,820
it's a funding issue and so I

1364
00:45:27,336 --> 00:45:27,586
wonder if you could point to the

1365
00:45:29,370 --> 00:45:29,620
data that specifically targets

1366
00:45:31,336 --> 00:45:31,586
PBIS as a cause

1367
00:45:33,553 --> 00:45:33,803
for the discipline issues that

1368
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:35,570
that you say we have I mean I do

1369
00:45:36,086 --> 00:45:36,336
agree discipline is an issue I

1370
00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:38,070
think perhaps the approach is

1371
00:45:39,353 --> 00:45:39,603
what I'm trying to wrap my head

1372
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:40,270
around yes and we'll definitely

1373
00:45:40,686 --> 00:45:40,936
talk about

1374
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:43,570
the approach I think we'll

1375
00:45:43,936 --> 00:45:44,186
probably agree more than we

1376
00:45:46,086 --> 00:45:46,336
disagree on the approach but

1377
00:45:47,820 --> 00:45:48,070
I encourage you to read the

1378
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:49,570
studies as we do go into an

1379
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,570
analysis on PBIS and I'm really

1380
00:45:52,086 --> 00:45:52,336
glad that you had a good

1381
00:45:53,903 --> 00:45:54,153
experience with it because I

1382
00:45:54,553 --> 00:45:54,803
know that there are a lot of

1383
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:55,470
schools that didn't

1384
00:45:59,836 --> 00:46:00,086
no more questions we'll go up in

1385
00:46:01,336 --> 00:46:01,586
the second part of your

1386
00:46:01,820 --> 00:46:02,070
presentation at this time

1387
00:46:07,870 --> 00:46:08,120
right so

1388
00:46:13,553 --> 00:46:13,803
we'll jump right in kind of

1389
00:46:14,103 --> 00:46:14,353
answering your question.

1390
00:46:15,786 --> 00:46:16,036
with this new administration so

1391
00:46:19,853 --> 00:46:20,103
I wanted to start the solution

1392
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:21,870
section of this presentation by

1393
00:46:23,353 --> 00:46:23,603
sharing some of the major

1394
00:46:25,336 --> 00:46:25,586
federal law and guidance updates

1395
00:46:26,103 --> 00:46:26,353
that will hopefully have a

1396
00:46:26,720 --> 00:46:26,970
positive impact on this issue

1397
00:46:32,053 --> 00:46:32,303
in december of2025, the US

1398
00:46:33,636 --> 00:46:33,886
Department of Justice updated

1399
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:36,120
its regulations under Title6 to

1400
00:46:37,586 --> 00:46:37,836
eliminate disparate impact

1401
00:46:39,586 --> 00:46:39,836
policy. this means that the

1402
00:46:41,353 --> 00:46:41,603
department of justice will only

1403
00:46:42,053 --> 00:46:42,303
investigate schools where there

1404
00:46:45,553 --> 00:46:45,803
is intentional discrimination

1405
00:46:48,053 --> 00:46:48,303
so instead of situations where

1406
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:50,070
they have a completely race

1407
00:46:51,853 --> 00:46:52,103
neutral evenly evenhandedly

1408
00:46:52,453 --> 00:46:52,703
implemented policy

1409
00:46:59,570 --> 00:46:59,820
then on July23,2026 following in

1410
00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:02,320
the USDOJ's footsteps the

1411
00:47:03,836 --> 00:47:04,086
current Department of Education

1412
00:47:06,070 --> 00:47:06,320
announced it had also gone

1413
00:47:07,820 --> 00:47:08,070
through a formal rulemaking

1414
00:47:10,303 --> 00:47:10,553
process to rescind provisions of

1415
00:47:11,586 --> 00:47:11,836
the federal regulations

1416
00:47:13,353 --> 00:47:13,603
requiring disparate impact

1417
00:47:13,886 --> 00:47:14,136
liability.

1418
00:47:17,586 --> 00:47:17,836
and then finally on august

1419
00:47:19,820 --> 00:47:20,070
182026 the Department of Ed

1420
00:47:21,570 --> 00:47:21,820
released a new dear colleague

1421
00:47:23,336 --> 00:47:23,586
letter to explain the

1422
00:47:25,336 --> 00:47:25,586
department's position to ensure

1423
00:47:27,353 --> 00:47:27,603
schools across the country are

1424
00:47:28,003 --> 00:47:28,253
able to fully comply

1425
00:47:30,103 --> 00:47:30,353
and the letter starts off

1426
00:47:31,570 --> 00:47:31,820
with a sentence that I just

1427
00:47:33,336 --> 00:47:33,586
think really captures the heart

1428
00:47:35,820 --> 00:47:36,070
of this issue. it says quote

1429
00:47:37,803 --> 00:47:38,053
American students deserved the

1430
00:47:38,436 --> 00:47:38,686
opportunity to learn in

1431
00:47:40,053 --> 00:47:40,303
classrooms that are orderly and

1432
00:47:43,403 --> 00:47:43,653
that schools are safe and free

1433
00:47:44,070 --> 00:47:44,320
from race discrimination.

1434
00:47:48,053 --> 00:47:48,303
so schools should have been

1435
00:47:50,070 --> 00:47:50,320
on notice that such federal

1436
00:47:51,603 --> 00:47:51,853
rulemaking and guidance was

1437
00:47:55,336 --> 00:47:55,586
coming since about april of2025.

1438
00:47:57,603 --> 00:47:57,853
that's when President Trump

1439
00:48:00,270 --> 00:48:00,520
signed executive order 14,280

1440
00:48:03,370 --> 00:48:03,620
titleds reinstating commonon

1441
00:48:03,936 --> 00:48:04,186
Sense school discipline policies

1442
00:48:07,570 --> 00:48:07,820
but as I've already highlighted,

1443
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:08,570
Will has been pretty clear that

1444
00:48:10,103 --> 00:48:10,353
this disparate impact and race

1445
00:48:11,853 --> 00:48:12,103
conscious student discipline is

1446
00:48:14,136 --> 00:48:14,386
illegal and has been detrimental

1447
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:17,570
to students for years so if

1448
00:48:17,953 --> 00:48:18,203
you're interested in how

1449
00:48:20,103 --> 00:48:20,353
widespread this issue is groups

1450
00:48:21,603 --> 00:48:21,853
like federalism in action have

1451
00:48:23,836 --> 00:48:24,086
been looking at each individual

1452
00:48:25,570 --> 00:48:25,820
school district across the

1453
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:26,420
country to see what their

1454
00:48:27,853 --> 00:48:28,103
policies are with regard to

1455
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:30,120
school discipline and whether

1456
00:48:31,836 --> 00:48:32,086
these schools have embraced race

1457
00:48:33,370 --> 00:48:33,620
conscious disparate impact

1458
00:48:33,886 --> 00:48:34,136
theory from the Obama and Biden

1459
00:48:37,820 --> 00:48:38,070
er a presidencies federalism in

1460
00:48:39,570 --> 00:48:39,820
actions investigation found more

1461
00:48:41,870 --> 00:48:42,120
than600 school districts across

1462
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:45,570
41 states are still practicing

1463
00:48:46,086 --> 00:48:46,336
restorative justice and

1464
00:48:47,836 --> 00:48:48,086
alternative discipline policies

1465
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:50,070
that are compromising the safety

1466
00:48:50,486 --> 00:48:50,736
of students and staff alike.

1467
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:52,570
and in Oklahoma

1468
00:48:55,820 --> 00:48:56,070
Oklahoma schools are not

1469
00:48:58,036 --> 00:48:58,286
immune to this either just to

1470
00:49:00,003 --> 00:49:00,253
name a few schools that have

1471
00:49:01,820 --> 00:49:02,070
been flagged as having these

1472
00:49:03,820 --> 00:49:04,070
disparate impact policies still

1473
00:49:05,570 --> 00:49:05,820
in place even today

1474
00:49:07,586 --> 00:49:07,836
federalism in action has

1475
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:09,570
flagged the Tulsa school

1476
00:49:10,053 --> 00:49:10,303
district the Norman school

1477
00:49:13,353 --> 00:49:13,603
district, Chickasaw Chickasha

1478
00:49:14,070 --> 00:49:14,320
high school. I am so sorry

1479
00:49:15,836 --> 00:49:16,086
hahaha the Enid school distric

1480
00:49:19,336 --> 00:49:19,586
district Chickasha chicochey ok

1481
00:49:21,570 --> 00:49:21,820
the Enid school district and the

1482
00:49:22,286 --> 00:49:22,536
Bixby school district so if

1483
00:49:25,336 --> 00:49:25,586
any of these schools are in your

1484
00:49:26,053 --> 00:49:26,303
districts or communities that

1485
00:49:27,820 --> 00:49:28,070
you represent it might be worth

1486
00:49:29,553 --> 00:49:29,803
following up with them on

1487
00:49:30,303 --> 00:49:30,553
school discipline policies and

1488
00:49:31,403 --> 00:49:31,653
ensuring compliance with federal

1489
00:49:32,136 --> 00:49:32,386
law

1490
00:49:35,820 --> 00:49:36,070
Speaking though of state law

1491
00:49:39,336 --> 00:49:39,586
there has been a push across

1492
00:49:41,586 --> 00:49:41,836
the country by groups like

1493
00:49:43,586 --> 00:49:43,836
will and teachers to pass

1494
00:49:44,153 --> 00:49:44,403
teacher bill of rights laws

1495
00:49:47,586 --> 00:49:47,836
states that have passed these

1496
00:49:50,086 --> 00:49:50,336
laws include Alabama, Arkansas,

1497
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:53,770
Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee

1498
00:49:54,186 --> 00:49:54,436
and Texas.

1499
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:57,570
and while there's scope and

1500
00:49:59,353 --> 00:49:59,603
method vary a little bit by

1501
00:50:02,086 --> 00:50:02,336
state mosts include teacher

1502
00:50:03,870 --> 00:50:04,120
authority to remove students

1503
00:50:05,603 --> 00:50:05,853
establishing administrative

1504
00:50:07,586 --> 00:50:07,836
responsibilities after classroom

1505
00:50:10,086 --> 00:50:10,336
removal, parent notification of

1506
00:50:11,836 --> 00:50:12,086
significant disruption

1507
00:50:14,086 --> 00:50:14,336
anti-retaliation teacher

1508
00:50:15,886 --> 00:50:16,136
protections procedures for wind

1509
00:50:17,586 --> 00:50:17,836
disruptive or violent students

1510
00:50:19,570 --> 00:50:19,820
may be returned to class and

1511
00:50:20,303 --> 00:50:20,553
student or parent appeals

1512
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:21,120
processes

1513
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:27,570
a similar type of bill was

1514
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:28,170
introduced in the Wisconsin

1515
00:50:29,803 --> 00:50:30,053
legislature last fall. that

1516
00:50:33,336 --> 00:50:33,586
wasabB614 aka the teacheracher

1517
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:35,820
bill of rights we were adopting

1518
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:37,820
that methodology and it

1519
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:39,570
passed the sconsin assembly on

1520
00:50:41,353 --> 00:50:41,603
November 19,2025 and passed the

1521
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:42,370
Wisconsin Senate on February

1522
00:50:43,953 --> 00:50:44,203
11,2026 with bipartisan support

1523
00:50:49,336 --> 00:50:49,586
between the time of the bill's

1524
00:50:50,103 --> 00:50:50,353
passing and the governor's

1525
00:50:51,836 --> 00:50:52,086
action will put out a series of

1526
00:50:54,103 --> 00:50:54,353
the clip of clips from the

1527
00:50:56,070 --> 00:50:56,320
documentary that you just saw to

1528
00:50:57,603 --> 00:50:57,853
demonstrate how much this

1529
00:50:59,836 --> 00:51:00,086
legislation was needed and as

1530
00:51:01,586 --> 00:51:01,836
you already saw and heard from

1531
00:51:02,353 --> 00:51:02,603
the clip from the senate hearing

1532
00:51:05,336 --> 00:51:05,586
about what legislators thought

1533
00:51:07,553 --> 00:51:07,803
of this bill this really was a

1534
00:51:08,236 --> 00:51:08,486
bipartisan issue

1535
00:51:11,570 --> 00:51:11,820
but despite all the support for

1536
00:51:13,786 --> 00:51:14,036
this bill on March27,2026,

1537
00:51:15,336 --> 00:51:15,586
governor Evers vetoed the

1538
00:51:17,336 --> 00:51:17,586
legislation citing concerns

1539
00:51:19,553 --> 00:51:19,803
about lack of adequate mental

1540
00:51:21,803 --> 00:51:22,053
health and special needs

1541
00:51:25,553 --> 00:51:25,803
supports but Will was very

1542
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:26,570
heavily involved in advocating

1543
00:51:27,803 --> 00:51:28,053
for this bill so I wanted to

1544
00:51:29,586 --> 00:51:29,836
highlight what was included in

1545
00:51:31,336 --> 00:51:31,586
the Wisconsin bill of rights

1546
00:51:32,086 --> 00:51:32,336
because I think it strikes a

1547
00:51:34,070 --> 00:51:34,320
good balance between

1548
00:51:35,803 --> 00:51:36,053
protecting students and staff

1549
00:51:37,836 --> 00:51:38,086
without going so far as to cause

1550
00:51:38,503 --> 00:51:38,753
additional problems for

1551
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:43,570
schools about enforcement so

1552
00:51:46,036 --> 00:51:46,286
it does4 things primarily one

1553
00:51:48,036 --> 00:51:48,286
disallow persistently disruptive

1554
00:51:50,036 --> 00:51:50,286
or violent students from

1555
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:50,820
immediately returning to class

1556
00:51:55,570 --> 00:51:55,820
two prohibits school boards from

1557
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:56,570
terminating or otherwise

1558
00:51:59,320 --> 00:51:59,570
retaliating against teachers for

1559
00:52:00,053 --> 00:52:00,303
removing students from class

1560
00:52:01,853 --> 00:52:02,103
enforcing classroom rules

1561
00:52:03,620 --> 00:52:03,870
reporting on safe conditions or

1562
00:52:05,836 --> 00:52:06,086
disruptive behavior requesting

1563
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:07,820
assistance for student concerns

1564
00:52:09,853 --> 00:52:10,103
or taking action to protect the

1565
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:10,770
safety of teachers or others

1566
00:52:14,103 --> 00:52:14,353
require the parents of all

1567
00:52:15,836 --> 00:52:16,086
affected students to be notified

1568
00:52:17,803 --> 00:52:18,053
of disruptions or violent

1569
00:52:19,603 --> 00:52:19,853
incidents and provided a

1570
00:52:21,586 --> 00:52:21,836
mandamus action for parents who

1571
00:52:23,836 --> 00:52:24,086
were not notified and then

1572
00:52:25,553 --> 00:52:25,803
require school boards to adopt a

1573
00:52:27,336 --> 00:52:27,586
policy on reasonable safety

1574
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,570
measures to address incidents

1575
00:52:30,103 --> 00:52:30,353
that materially and

1576
00:52:31,620 --> 00:52:31,870
substantially disrupt classroom

1577
00:52:33,853 --> 00:52:34,103
instruction or compromise safety

1578
00:52:35,853 --> 00:52:36,103
persistently disruptive

1579
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:39,570
students or violent incidents so

1580
00:52:40,303 --> 00:52:40,553
from each of those I kind of

1581
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:41,120
want to go over why

1582
00:52:44,053 --> 00:52:44,303
we think these are good

1583
00:52:45,570 --> 00:52:45,820
solutions for states to consider

1584
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:49,820
we included a section on

1585
00:52:51,603 --> 00:52:51,853
disallowing persistently

1586
00:52:53,620 --> 00:52:53,870
disruptive or violent students

1587
00:52:55,603 --> 00:52:55,853
from immediately being returned

1588
00:52:56,253 --> 00:52:56,503
to class for a few reasons

1589
00:52:59,803 --> 00:53:00,053
first we know that this greatly

1590
00:53:01,603 --> 00:53:01,853
undermines teacher authority and

1591
00:53:03,803 --> 00:53:04,053
teaches the children that if

1592
00:53:05,603 --> 00:53:05,853
they misbehave they will get

1593
00:53:07,586 --> 00:53:07,836
away with it with little to no

1594
00:53:09,786 --> 00:53:10,036
consequences or in some cases as

1595
00:53:11,803 --> 00:53:12,053
you saw in the video rewards for

1596
00:53:14,036 --> 00:53:14,286
that behavior there were

1597
00:53:15,786 --> 00:53:16,036
instances that teachers talked

1598
00:53:17,553 --> 00:53:17,803
about where students would be

1599
00:53:20,036 --> 00:53:20,286
given snacks, watch fun videos

1600
00:53:23,553 --> 00:53:23,803
or like free time to play while

1601
00:53:25,553 --> 00:53:25,803
they were supposed to be facing

1602
00:53:26,236 --> 00:53:26,486
consequences for their bad

1603
00:53:26,786 --> 00:53:27,036
actions.

1604
00:53:29,820 --> 00:53:30,070
Second, if student behavior got

1605
00:53:31,586 --> 00:53:31,836
to a point where a teacher

1606
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:33,570
needed to remove a student from

1607
00:53:35,586 --> 00:53:35,836
class.learly the focus was not

1608
00:53:37,586 --> 00:53:37,836
on learning in that classroom.

1609
00:53:39,786 --> 00:53:40,036
the teacher had to take away

1610
00:53:41,586 --> 00:53:41,836
class time from other students

1611
00:53:42,186 --> 00:53:42,436
who are there to learn to

1612
00:53:44,053 --> 00:53:44,303
reprimand the students and

1613
00:53:45,553 --> 00:53:45,803
eventually send them to the

1614
00:53:47,836 --> 00:53:48,086
office which takes away the

1615
00:53:49,820 --> 00:53:50,070
opportunity for the other fif or

1616
00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:51,820
so kids in that classroom to

1617
00:53:53,353 --> 00:53:53,603
learn and prevents the teacher

1618
00:53:54,136 --> 00:53:54,386
from accomplishing what they

1619
00:53:55,403 --> 00:53:55,653
actually needed to get done that

1620
00:53:56,070 --> 00:53:56,320
day.

1621
00:53:59,353 --> 00:53:59,603
and third typically

1622
00:54:00,103 --> 00:54:00,353
administrators typically have

1623
00:54:01,836 --> 00:54:02,086
additional education and

1624
00:54:04,036 --> 00:54:04,286
training on student managing

1625
00:54:05,786 --> 00:54:06,036
student behavior. they're much

1626
00:54:07,570 --> 00:54:07,820
better equipped to handle

1627
00:54:09,586 --> 00:54:09,836
serious incidents of student

1628
00:54:11,570 --> 00:54:11,820
behavior than a teacher who has

1629
00:54:13,336 --> 00:54:13,586
many other students to handle at

1630
00:54:14,003 --> 00:54:14,253
the exact same time.

1631
00:54:16,053 --> 00:54:16,303
and then finally in the

1632
00:54:18,070 --> 00:54:18,320
wisconsin bill we would have

1633
00:54:20,036 --> 00:54:20,286
specifically required that

1634
00:54:21,803 --> 00:54:22,053
students who had persistently

1635
00:54:23,570 --> 00:54:23,820
disruptive behavior which was

1636
00:54:24,286 --> 00:54:24,536
defined by the bill by a certain

1637
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:26,070
number of incidents in a certain

1638
00:54:28,036 --> 00:54:28,286
amount of time or violent

1639
00:54:29,820 --> 00:54:30,070
incidents in the classroom

1640
00:54:31,836 --> 00:54:32,086
needed to be put on a behavior

1641
00:54:32,436 --> 00:54:32,686
intervention plan or bip

1642
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:37,570
before they can actually

1643
00:54:38,270 --> 00:54:38,520
return to class. we did not

1644
00:54:39,553 --> 00:54:39,803
specifically define what needed

1645
00:54:41,803 --> 00:54:42,053
to be included in a ipp because

1646
00:54:43,336 --> 00:54:43,586
it should be something

1647
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:45,570
determined on a case by case

1648
00:54:46,053 --> 00:54:46,303
basis based on the needs of the

1649
00:54:49,553 --> 00:54:49,803
child but the idea is to root

1650
00:54:51,603 --> 00:54:51,853
out the cause of the behavior

1651
00:54:53,336 --> 00:54:53,586
instead of just you know pulling

1652
00:54:54,053 --> 00:54:54,303
a student out and not actually

1653
00:54:55,836 --> 00:54:56,086
addressing the underlying

1654
00:54:58,053 --> 00:54:58,303
behavior. so for example if a

1655
00:54:59,586 --> 00:54:59,836
student is acting out because

1656
00:55:01,570 --> 00:55:01,820
they're hungry and don't have

1657
00:55:02,270 --> 00:55:02,520
access to enough food at home a

1658
00:55:03,403 --> 00:55:03,653
bbip could include offering that

1659
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:04,320
student

1660
00:55:06,103 --> 00:55:06,353
breakfast at school so that

1661
00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:06,920
they're not facing those issues

1662
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:11,570
or if a student is acting out

1663
00:55:12,086 --> 00:55:12,336
because of the disability or

1664
00:55:13,853 --> 00:55:14,103
special need then they would

1665
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:16,020
need to be evaluated for aniEP

1666
00:55:16,436 --> 00:55:16,686
or IsP.

1667
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:22,070
so why include teacher

1668
00:55:24,086 --> 00:55:24,336
protections inwisconsin we do

1669
00:55:25,803 --> 00:55:26,053
have laws that give teachers

1670
00:55:28,103 --> 00:55:28,353
pretty broad authority to manage

1671
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:30,070
their classrooms and I know

1672
00:55:31,586 --> 00:55:31,836
that's also the case in federal

1673
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:32,470
law and here in Oklahoma.

1674
00:55:36,086 --> 00:55:36,336
but at the same time we know

1675
00:55:37,853 --> 00:55:38,103
that authority is not being

1676
00:55:39,870 --> 00:55:40,120
respected by administrators or

1677
00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:42,320
students so we feel as though

1678
00:55:44,053 --> 00:55:44,303
it's necessary to be more

1679
00:55:46,103 --> 00:55:46,353
specific about what authority

1680
00:55:49,336 --> 00:55:49,586
teachers have in state law and

1681
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:50,370
that should help mitigate some

1682
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:53,570
of the problem so we want to

1683
00:55:55,603 --> 00:55:55,853
ensure that schools are not able

1684
00:55:56,353 --> 00:55:56,603
to tell teachers that they can't

1685
00:55:57,803 --> 00:55:58,053
call for help, including calling

1686
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:58,720
911.

1687
00:56:01,803 --> 00:56:02,053
we want to ensure that teachers

1688
00:56:03,353 --> 00:56:03,603
know that they can remove a

1689
00:56:05,353 --> 00:56:05,603
student when necessary from a

1690
00:56:07,336 --> 00:56:07,586
classroom. We want teachers to

1691
00:56:08,053 --> 00:56:08,303
know that they can enforce

1692
00:56:11,336 --> 00:56:11,586
consequences for poor behavior

1693
00:56:12,086 --> 00:56:12,336
and we want teachers to know

1694
00:56:14,103 --> 00:56:14,353
that they can report on safe

1695
00:56:15,603 --> 00:56:15,853
conditions at school without

1696
00:56:16,220 --> 00:56:16,470
fear of retaliation.

1697
00:56:19,620 --> 00:56:19,870
we also think that this will

1698
00:56:21,836 --> 00:56:22,086
help retain high quality

1699
00:56:24,103 --> 00:56:24,353
educators and ensure that goods

1700
00:56:26,036 --> 00:56:26,286
teachers are staying in schools

1701
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:26,970
to help students

1702
00:56:33,436 --> 00:56:33,686
Another solution is notifying

1703
00:56:34,103 --> 00:56:34,353
all parents when there are

1704
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:36,070
substantial or violent

1705
00:56:36,353 --> 00:56:36,603
disruptions.

1706
00:56:41,803 --> 00:56:42,053
so why do this first parents

1707
00:56:43,803 --> 00:56:44,053
often don't know how big of an

1708
00:56:45,786 --> 00:56:46,036
issue this actually is. During

1709
00:56:47,553 --> 00:56:47,803
the course of our interviews

1710
00:56:49,770 --> 00:56:50,020
with teachers that came up over

1711
00:56:50,436 --> 00:56:50,686
and over and over again.

1712
00:56:53,853 --> 00:56:54,103
inwisconsin it's actually the

1713
00:56:56,086 --> 00:56:56,336
law that a parent of a student

1714
00:56:57,820 --> 00:56:58,070
who is removed from class be

1715
00:56:59,570 --> 00:56:59,820
notified that that student was

1716
00:57:00,270 --> 00:57:00,520
removed but

1717
00:57:03,836 --> 00:57:04,086
so it means that parents who

1718
00:57:05,336 --> 00:57:05,586
have persistently disruptive

1719
00:57:06,070 --> 00:57:06,320
students are well aware that

1720
00:57:09,570 --> 00:57:09,820
that's happening but the

1721
00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:12,070
other kids in the class those

1722
00:57:13,803 --> 00:57:14,053
parents have no idea that this

1723
00:57:15,570 --> 00:57:15,820
is happening on a regular basis

1724
00:57:17,853 --> 00:57:18,103
so notification to all parents

1725
00:57:19,603 --> 00:57:19,853
under certain circumstances can

1726
00:57:21,336 --> 00:57:21,586
foster transparency and

1727
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:23,570
accountability between parents

1728
00:57:24,053 --> 00:57:24,303
and schools for example

1729
00:57:27,570 --> 00:57:27,820
if classes stopped for more than

1730
00:57:31,336 --> 00:57:31,586
10 or 1f consecutive minutes

1731
00:57:31,953 --> 00:57:32,203
to deal with a persistent

1732
00:57:33,820 --> 00:57:34,070
disruption or violent behavior

1733
00:57:36,036 --> 00:57:36,286
all parents in that class would

1734
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:38,070
be notified that quarter of

1735
00:57:39,836 --> 00:57:40,086
class time that day was wasted

1736
00:57:41,386 --> 00:57:41,636
on managing student behavior.

1737
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:45,586
Another example when this could

1738
00:57:46,053 --> 00:57:46,303
be appropriate is if there's a

1739
00:57:47,803 --> 00:57:48,053
violent incident in class and

1740
00:57:49,570 --> 00:57:49,820
you heard some of those in some

1741
00:57:50,186 --> 00:57:50,436
of the testimony today that I

1742
00:57:50,853 --> 00:57:51,103
included

1743
00:57:53,870 --> 00:57:54,120
if a student is throwing

1744
00:57:55,820 --> 00:57:56,070
chairs hitting the teacher or

1745
00:57:57,853 --> 00:57:58,103
other classmates or threatening

1746
00:57:59,553 --> 00:57:59,803
to do those things then the

1747
00:58:01,570 --> 00:58:01,820
parents of the other kids in

1748
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:02,570
that classroom deserve to know

1749
00:58:04,086 --> 00:58:04,336
what's going on because this

1750
00:58:07,353 --> 00:58:07,603
is that their child is at risk

1751
00:58:07,970 --> 00:58:08,220
their safety is at risk

1752
00:58:11,570 --> 00:58:11,820
one important caveat to this

1753
00:58:13,853 --> 00:58:14,103
parent notification piece is

1754
00:58:15,553 --> 00:58:15,803
that personally identifiable

1755
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:17,570
information about a student

1756
00:58:19,303 --> 00:58:19,553
cannot be included in the

1757
00:58:21,603 --> 00:58:21,853
notification FerRA which is

1758
00:58:23,620 --> 00:58:23,870
the family educational rights

1759
00:58:25,820 --> 00:58:26,070
and rivacy actct would prohibit

1760
00:58:29,336 --> 00:58:29,586
such a disclosure so instead the

1761
00:58:30,053 --> 00:58:30,303
notice should be very very

1762
00:58:31,586 --> 00:58:31,836
simple and to the point.

1763
00:58:33,353 --> 00:58:33,603
somethingthing like class was

1764
00:58:34,103 --> 00:58:34,353
stopped for 1 number of minutes

1765
00:58:35,586 --> 00:58:35,836
today to deal with student

1766
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:37,770
disruption or class was stopped

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00:58:38,236 --> 00:58:38,486
and evacu

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00:58:40,086 --> 00:58:40,336
ated due to a violent incident

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00:58:41,786 --> 00:58:42,036
today.neither of those

1770
00:58:43,836 --> 00:58:44,086
notifications would violate

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00:58:44,403 --> 00:58:44,653
federal law under FERPA.

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00:58:45,636 --> 00:58:45,886
and then

1773
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:51,570
why require school boards to

1774
00:58:53,553 --> 00:58:53,803
adopt a policy on this type of

1775
00:58:56,036 --> 00:58:56,286
stuff. what are schools

1776
00:58:57,336 --> 00:58:57,586
specifically needs to do to

1777
00:58:58,086 --> 00:58:58,336
accomplish these things should

1778
00:59:01,336 --> 00:59:01,586
be determined by on a district

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00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:03,570
by district basis because

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00:59:04,070 --> 00:59:04,320
different school districts have

1781
00:59:06,053 --> 00:59:06,303
different needs so setting

1782
00:59:08,270 --> 00:59:08,520
the main guidelines in state law

1783
00:59:09,836 --> 00:59:10,086
and then allowing schools to

1784
00:59:11,836 --> 00:59:12,086
kind of flesh out the details

1785
00:59:14,070 --> 00:59:14,320
themselves ensures that the

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00:59:15,820 --> 00:59:16,070
needs of each individual school

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00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:16,720
district are being metres

1788
00:59:17,036 --> 00:59:17,286
represent

1789
00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:19,820
ative Hall brought up a great

1790
00:59:21,553 --> 00:59:21,803
point about urban versus rural

1791
00:59:23,303 --> 00:59:23,553
school districts those districts

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00:59:24,003 --> 00:59:24,253
are going to have different

1793
00:59:26,020 --> 00:59:26,270
needs so who's handling this

1794
00:59:27,820 --> 00:59:28,070
behavior what the protocols are

1795
00:59:29,586 --> 00:59:29,836
things like that can be a little

1796
00:59:31,336 --> 00:59:31,586
bit different than based on what

1797
00:59:32,103 --> 00:59:32,353
your school district needs

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00:59:36,053 --> 00:59:36,303
not to mention having policies

1799
00:59:38,053 --> 00:59:38,303
and procedures in place to

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00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:39,870
address issues before they

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00:59:41,853 --> 00:59:42,103
happen prevents inconsist

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00:59:44,103 --> 00:59:44,353
inconsistent or ineffective

1803
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:46,370
administration and sets

1804
00:59:47,753 --> 00:59:48,003
expectations for everybody

1805
00:59:48,303 --> 00:59:48,553
involved

1806
00:59:52,036 --> 00:59:52,286
and then the last solution I

1807
00:59:54,036 --> 00:59:54,286
wanted to touch on has to do

1808
00:59:55,803 --> 00:59:56,053
with ins teacher incident

1809
00:59:57,803 --> 00:59:58,053
reporting this actually wasn't

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00:59:59,320 --> 00:59:59,570
something included in the

1811
01:00:00,020 --> 01:00:00,270
Wisconsin bill because it was

1812
01:00:01,770 --> 01:00:02,020
brought to our attention after

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01:00:02,486 --> 01:00:02,736
the bill had already been

1814
01:00:03,853 --> 01:00:04,103
introduced but we still think

1815
01:00:06,103 --> 01:00:06,353
it's a really good idea so other

1816
01:00:09,336 --> 01:00:09,586
states like Indiana have laws

1817
01:00:11,586 --> 01:00:11,836
requiring schools to keep track

1818
01:00:13,836 --> 01:00:14,086
of when teachers are injured by

1819
01:00:15,836 --> 01:00:16,086
students while acting in their

1820
01:00:18,103 --> 01:00:18,353
official capacity will was

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01:00:18,653 --> 01:00:18,903
actually contacted by

1822
01:00:22,020 --> 01:00:22,270
a school board in indiana who

1823
01:00:24,053 --> 01:00:24,303
had become aware of how big of

1824
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:27,570
an issue this was in their

1825
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:29,570
school district and how largely

1826
01:00:31,303 --> 01:00:31,553
it was being underreported the

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01:00:32,070 --> 01:00:32,320
teachers weren't being

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01:00:33,836 --> 01:00:34,086
discouraged from reporting those

1829
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:37,570
incidents we actually worked

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01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:38,370
with that school board to draft

1831
01:00:41,336 --> 01:00:41,586
a model policy on what should be

1832
01:00:42,053 --> 01:00:42,303
required for this type of

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01:00:44,370 --> 01:00:44,620
reporting and then that

1834
01:00:46,103 --> 01:00:46,353
expanded on what Indiana state

1835
01:00:48,053 --> 01:00:48,303
law had which was just basic you

1836
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:48,970
have

1837
01:00:51,586 --> 01:00:51,836
to report it and then the state

1838
01:00:53,820 --> 01:00:54,070
SEA or state educational agency

1839
01:00:56,136 --> 01:00:56,386
had to post the statistics of

1840
01:00:56,803 --> 01:00:57,053
those injuries online.

1841
01:01:01,786 --> 01:01:02,036
reliable reporting of these

1842
01:01:04,086 --> 01:01:04,336
types of incidents can improve

1843
01:01:05,803 --> 01:01:06,053
workplace safety, promote

1844
01:01:07,803 --> 01:01:08,053
accountability and help ensure

1845
01:01:09,336 --> 01:01:09,586
that decisions affecting the

1846
01:01:10,070 --> 01:01:10,320
school climate are actually

1847
01:01:11,836 --> 01:01:12,086
based on accurate information

1848
01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:15,570
and not just anecdotally so

1849
01:01:17,553 --> 01:01:17,803
in that model policy we talk

1850
01:01:19,820 --> 01:01:20,070
about teachers have to report

1851
01:01:21,353 --> 01:01:21,603
it here's how they report it and

1852
01:01:22,103 --> 01:01:22,353
then the reports are presented

1853
01:01:23,836 --> 01:01:24,086
to the school board so that they

1854
01:01:26,086 --> 01:01:26,336
can make decisions about what

1855
01:01:27,553 --> 01:01:27,803
needs to change in their school

1856
01:01:28,203 --> 01:01:28,453
to ensure that

1857
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:29,820
teachers feel safe and feel

1858
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:30,370
heard.

1859
01:01:34,036 --> 01:01:34,286
Speaking of model policies

1860
01:01:35,803 --> 01:01:36,053
board policies is actually

1861
01:01:37,803 --> 01:01:38,053
something that Will does as part

1862
01:01:39,570 --> 01:01:39,820
of our restoring Americanation

1863
01:01:41,803 --> 01:01:42,053
initiative and it often goes in

1864
01:01:43,803 --> 01:01:44,053
hand hand in hand with state and

1865
01:01:45,820 --> 01:01:46,070
federal law our policies are all

1866
01:01:48,036 --> 01:01:48,286
free and available to download

1867
01:01:51,553 --> 01:01:51,803
at school board policies.org

1868
01:01:53,786 --> 01:01:54,036
and we actually already have 3

1869
01:01:55,803 --> 01:01:56,053
model policies based on the

1870
01:01:57,336 --> 01:01:57,586
solutions that I just went over

1871
01:01:59,336 --> 01:01:59,586
that can be implemented in

1872
01:01:59,870 --> 01:02:00,120
school districts in your

1873
01:02:00,386 --> 01:02:00,636
community at any time

1874
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:05,570
they also have language that

1875
01:02:07,570 --> 01:02:07,820
could be directly mirrored in

1876
01:02:09,786 --> 01:02:10,036
any type of state law that is

1877
01:02:11,570 --> 01:02:11,820
being considered across the

1878
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:12,370
country

1879
01:02:17,336 --> 01:02:17,586
I wanted to kind of wrap up

1880
01:02:19,586 --> 01:02:19,836
this solution section by talking

1881
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:22,070
a little bit about the law a big

1882
01:02:23,603 --> 01:02:23,853
caveat that I have to give right

1883
01:02:25,336 --> 01:02:25,586
at the top of this is that I am

1884
01:02:26,353 --> 01:02:26,603
not an Oklahoma attorney. I am

1885
01:02:29,586 --> 01:02:29,836
not board certified in Oklahoma

1886
01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:31,820
and nothing in this section

1887
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:33,570
should be taken as legal advice

1888
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:35,570
you should confer with your

1889
01:02:37,820 --> 01:02:38,070
legislative council on this

1890
01:02:40,103 --> 01:02:40,353
but I did want to touch on it

1891
01:02:42,086 --> 01:02:42,336
nonetheless on a federal

1892
01:02:42,636 --> 01:02:42,886
level

1893
01:02:45,603 --> 01:02:45,853
local school boards have broad

1894
01:02:47,853 --> 01:02:48,103
discretion in the management of

1895
01:02:49,586 --> 01:02:49,836
school affairs including teacher

1896
01:02:51,336 --> 01:02:51,586
authority, classroom management

1897
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:53,570
and student behavior. this

1898
01:02:55,336 --> 01:02:55,586
discretion has been recognized

1899
01:02:56,353 --> 01:02:56,603
over and over again by thescon

1900
01:02:58,070 --> 01:02:58,320
thewisconsin by the United

1901
01:03:01,336 --> 01:03:01,586
States Supreme Court and

1902
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:03,570
you'll see on this slide a

1903
01:03:04,070 --> 01:03:04,320
few examples of that language

1904
01:03:05,853 --> 01:03:06,103
but my favorite actually comes

1905
01:03:07,553 --> 01:03:07,803
from Tinker versus desmoines

1906
01:03:09,353 --> 01:03:09,603
which is the case that has to do

1907
01:03:11,353 --> 01:03:11,603
with the armbands at school if

1908
01:03:11,986 --> 01:03:12,236
if any of you are familiar, I

1909
01:03:12,620 --> 01:03:12,870
think it was protesting the

1910
01:03:13,170 --> 01:03:13,420
Vietnam war

1911
01:03:17,586 --> 01:03:17,836
and the supreme court in that

1912
01:03:19,603 --> 01:03:19,853
case said quote the court has

1913
01:03:21,820 --> 01:03:22,070
long emphasized the need for

1914
01:03:23,603 --> 01:03:23,853
affirming the comprehensive

1915
01:03:25,553 --> 01:03:25,803
authority of states and school

1916
01:03:26,286 --> 01:03:26,536
officials consistent with

1917
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:28,370
fundamental constitutional

1918
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:31,570
safeguards to prescribe and

1919
01:03:31,870 --> 01:03:32,120
control conduct in schools

1920
01:03:36,036 --> 01:03:36,286
Oklahoma statutes mirror federal

1921
01:03:37,770 --> 01:03:38,020
law in this way

1922
01:03:41,536 --> 01:03:41,786
they allow school boards to make

1923
01:03:43,336 --> 01:03:43,586
rules governing the board and

1924
01:03:44,036 --> 01:03:44,286
the school system of the

1925
01:03:45,336 --> 01:03:45,586
district and maintain and

1926
01:03:47,336 --> 01:03:47,586
operate schools in the way the

1927
01:03:49,553 --> 01:03:49,803
board deems best suited to the

1928
01:03:50,236 --> 01:03:50,486
needs of that school district

1929
01:03:57,820 --> 01:03:58,070
Federal law also allows teachers

1930
01:04:00,053 --> 01:04:00,303
to undertake reasonable action

1931
01:04:02,070 --> 01:04:02,320
to maintain order, discipline

1932
01:04:04,070 --> 01:04:04,320
and appro and appropriate

1933
01:04:07,336 --> 01:04:07,586
educational environment to that

1934
01:04:09,336 --> 01:04:09,586
effect teachers cannot be held

1935
01:04:11,603 --> 01:04:11,853
liable for harm caused by any

1936
01:04:13,853 --> 01:04:14,103
act or omission if the actions

1937
01:04:15,836 --> 01:04:16,086
were carried out in accordance

1938
01:04:18,103 --> 01:04:18,353
with the law and in an effort to

1939
01:04:19,620 --> 01:04:19,870
maintain control and order in

1940
01:04:20,303 --> 01:04:20,553
the classroom.

1941
01:04:22,453 --> 01:04:22,703
similarly

1942
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:27,570
inokklahoma no educational

1943
01:04:28,036 --> 01:04:28,286
employee shall be liable for the

1944
01:04:29,786 --> 01:04:30,036
use of necessary and reasonable

1945
01:04:31,603 --> 01:04:31,853
force to control and discipline

1946
01:04:33,336 --> 01:04:33,586
a student during the time the

1947
01:04:34,070 --> 01:04:34,320
student is in attendance at

1948
01:04:37,803 --> 01:04:38,053
school so again these laws

1949
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:40,070
all kind of mirror each other

1950
01:04:42,070 --> 01:04:42,320
and go hand in hand and they're

1951
01:04:44,053 --> 01:04:44,303
also the basis for a lot of the

1952
01:04:45,820 --> 01:04:46,070
solutions that I just went over

1953
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,570
the solutions are just a lot

1954
01:04:50,053 --> 01:04:50,303
more specific than kind of the

1955
01:04:50,736 --> 01:04:50,986
broad general

1956
01:04:53,836 --> 01:04:54,086
laws and protections that are

1957
01:04:56,053 --> 01:04:56,303
already in federal and state law

1958
01:04:59,570 --> 01:04:59,820
but as we know they don't go far

1959
01:05:01,603 --> 01:05:01,853
enough obviously teachers are

1960
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:02,470
still leaving the profession.

1961
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:04,370
there's still disciplinary

1962
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:06,370
issues so what can we do to

1963
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:09,570
really strengthen that authority

1964
01:05:11,503 --> 01:05:11,753
on a state level or on a

1965
01:05:12,053 --> 01:05:12,303
school by school level

1966
01:05:17,336 --> 01:05:17,586
One thing I did want to flag

1967
01:05:19,553 --> 01:05:19,803
as was a concern that was raised

1968
01:05:20,270 --> 01:05:20,520
during the course of

1969
01:05:22,103 --> 01:05:22,353
deliberations on the Wisconsin

1970
01:05:23,820 --> 01:05:24,070
Teacher bill of rights and that

1971
01:05:25,803 --> 01:05:26,053
is the federal IDEA law or ID

1972
01:05:27,886 --> 01:05:28,136
law that stands for individuals

1973
01:05:29,870 --> 01:05:30,120
with disabilities inducation Act

1974
01:05:31,870 --> 01:05:32,120
and it says that students with

1975
01:05:33,620 --> 01:05:33,870
disabilities have the right to

1976
01:05:35,536 --> 01:05:35,786
free and appropriate public

1977
01:05:36,086 --> 01:05:36,336
education or fape.

1978
01:05:39,536 --> 01:05:39,786
while there are certainly

1979
01:05:40,136 --> 01:05:40,386
different procedures and

1980
01:05:41,803 --> 01:05:42,053
consequences when it comes to

1981
01:05:44,053 --> 01:05:44,303
managing student behavior

1982
01:05:45,586 --> 01:05:45,836
especially if the student has

1983
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:49,570
aniEP or a504 plan we don't

1984
01:05:49,936 --> 01:05:50,186
believe any of the solutions

1985
01:05:51,570 --> 01:05:51,820
proposed in thewisconsin

1986
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:53,570
teacheracher bill of rights have

1987
01:05:54,286 --> 01:05:54,536
and those are the ones that I've

1988
01:05:57,570 --> 01:05:57,820
gone over today violate any

1989
01:05:59,570 --> 01:05:59,820
laws that have to do with

1990
01:06:02,036 --> 01:06:02,286
special education actually

1991
01:06:03,570 --> 01:06:03,820
after the bill was proposed in

1992
01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:05,820
Wisconsin an amendment was added

1993
01:06:06,286 --> 01:06:06,536
to say just that that nothing

1994
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:09,570
in this section shall be

1995
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:11,570
construed to conflict with the

1996
01:06:13,836 --> 01:06:14,086
federal IDEA law and such

1997
01:06:15,336 --> 01:06:15,586
language could be appropriate

1998
01:06:17,570 --> 01:06:17,820
when considering any state laws

1999
01:06:18,220 --> 01:06:18,470
or school policies on this issue

2000
01:06:23,570 --> 01:06:23,820
but with that I am opening it

2001
01:06:24,353 --> 01:06:24,603
back up for questions on any of

2002
01:06:25,370 --> 01:06:25,620
the solutions that I went over.

2003
01:06:29,303 --> 01:06:29,553
I'm gonna start up a couple of

2004
01:06:30,003 --> 01:06:30,253
questions and number one I'm

2005
01:06:30,620 --> 01:06:30,870
gonna make a statement the

2006
01:06:31,853 --> 01:06:32,103
chickashaa superintendent would

2007
01:06:33,570 --> 01:06:33,820
be quite surprised he's on your

2008
01:06:34,236 --> 01:06:34,486
list

2009
01:06:37,786 --> 01:06:38,036
I know that school awful well I

2010
01:06:39,336 --> 01:06:39,586
know the administration I know

2011
01:06:40,070 --> 01:06:40,320
that school board I don't know

2012
01:06:41,586 --> 01:06:41,836
where you get your names. I

2013
01:06:43,336 --> 01:06:43,586
don't know what you qualified

2014
01:06:44,086 --> 01:06:44,336
for but that's not happening in

2015
01:06:47,570 --> 01:06:47,820
chickasha public schools so I'm

2016
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:49,570
gonna take exception to that and

2017
01:06:50,020 --> 01:06:50,270
I hope that don't offend you on

2018
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:50,970
that

2019
01:06:53,570 --> 01:06:53,820
one of the the next question and

2020
01:06:55,336 --> 01:06:55,586
and so I don't I don't know this

2021
01:06:57,336 --> 01:06:57,586
may be a kind of a joint

2022
01:06:58,036 --> 01:06:58,286
question for you andpresentative

2023
01:07:01,586 --> 01:07:01,836
Hall are y'all aware of any

2024
01:07:02,336 --> 01:07:02,586
school in Oklahoma where a

2025
01:07:03,420 --> 01:07:03,670
teacher cannot call the police

2026
01:07:09,603 --> 01:07:09,853
that's a better question

2027
01:07:11,336 --> 01:07:11,586
forpresentative Hall. I have

2028
01:07:12,153 --> 01:07:12,403
examples obviously from across

2029
01:07:13,336 --> 01:07:13,586
the country but none from

2030
01:07:15,603 --> 01:07:15,853
Oklahoma specifically so you

2031
01:07:17,336 --> 01:07:17,586
know that's part of your bill of

2032
01:07:18,086 --> 01:07:18,336
rights that y'all did about

2033
01:07:19,886 --> 01:07:20,136
where they could so that's it in

2034
01:07:23,353 --> 01:07:23,603
and the other thing I see

2035
01:07:24,153 --> 01:07:24,403
this and and maybe if I'm

2036
01:07:25,870 --> 01:07:26,120
missing it and I was a

2037
01:07:28,086 --> 01:07:28,336
teacher was both my parents were

2038
01:07:30,086 --> 01:07:30,336
teachers so I kinda understand

2039
01:07:32,136 --> 01:07:32,386
the school game a little bit

2040
01:07:32,803 --> 01:07:33,053
but are you

2041
01:07:35,853 --> 01:07:36,103
through what y'all try to

2042
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:37,570
passwisconsin because it didn't

2043
01:07:38,053 --> 01:07:38,303
get signed into law but you got

2044
01:07:39,836 --> 01:07:40,086
it you passed it through the

2045
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:40,720
house and senate did

2046
01:07:43,603 --> 01:07:43,853
or you're saying now that you

2047
01:07:45,586 --> 01:07:45,836
think the state ought take over

2048
01:07:47,336 --> 01:07:47,586
the discipline in our schools?

2049
01:07:49,620 --> 01:07:49,870
No definitely not and that's why

2050
01:07:51,870 --> 01:07:52,120
one of the things in our

2051
01:07:53,636 --> 01:07:53,886
legislation required schools to

2052
01:07:55,603 --> 01:07:55,853
adopt policies rather than the

2053
01:07:57,586 --> 01:07:57,836
state prescribing exactly what

2054
01:07:58,370 --> 01:07:58,620
should happen in each individual

2055
01:08:01,603 --> 01:08:01,853
school like I mentioned it's

2056
01:08:03,603 --> 01:08:03,853
important that districts have a

2057
01:08:05,603 --> 01:08:05,853
broad authority to set what they

2058
01:08:07,553 --> 01:08:07,803
believe is most appropriate

2059
01:08:09,586 --> 01:08:09,836
for their particular school

2060
01:08:10,170 --> 01:08:10,420
district how they're obviously

2061
01:08:10,836 --> 01:08:11,086
needs to

2062
01:08:13,586 --> 01:08:13,836
be guardrails as well because

2063
01:08:15,553 --> 01:08:15,803
teachers don't feel like their

2064
01:08:16,186 --> 01:08:16,436
administrations are backing them

2065
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:18,370
up so it's all about balance

2066
01:08:19,820 --> 01:08:20,070
right? You need something that

2067
01:08:21,620 --> 01:08:21,870
says school boards can't

2068
01:08:23,603 --> 01:08:23,853
retaliate against teachers for

2069
01:08:27,320 --> 01:08:27,570
bringing up concerns but we will

2070
01:08:28,336 --> 01:08:28,586
in our own district define what

2071
01:08:29,886 --> 01:08:30,136
it means to substantially

2072
01:08:32,070 --> 01:08:32,320
disrupt disrupt class time or we

2073
01:08:33,870 --> 01:08:34,120
in our own district will decide

2074
01:08:35,586 --> 01:08:35,836
what needs to be included in a

2075
01:08:37,836 --> 01:08:38,086
behavior intervention plan and

2076
01:08:39,886 --> 01:08:40,136
things like that so it is it is

2077
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:40,770
about balancing local and state

2078
01:08:41,203 --> 01:08:41,453
authorities

2079
01:08:41,453 --> 01:08:41,703
certainly.

2080
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:47,570
you

2081
01:08:49,336 --> 01:08:49,586
representRosesecrantz I have got

2082
01:08:50,086 --> 01:08:50,336
your name right all day long

2083
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:53,570
isn't it surprise you? you kind

2084
01:08:55,336 --> 01:08:55,586
of butchered a little bit I I

2085
01:08:56,036 --> 01:08:56,286
heard the end get in there

2086
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:01,570
thank you Mr Chair and I

2087
01:09:01,870 --> 01:09:02,120
similar I'm I'm representative

2088
01:09:05,336 --> 01:09:05,586
of Norman Public schools what

2089
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:07,570
what criteria was used to put on

2090
01:09:09,570 --> 01:09:09,820
that list so it all has to do

2091
01:09:11,836 --> 01:09:12,086
with the strategic plan so

2092
01:09:13,570 --> 01:09:13,820
those schools were flagged by

2093
01:09:14,370 --> 01:09:14,620
federalism in action

2094
01:09:15,620 --> 01:09:15,870
specifically because in their

2095
01:09:17,353 --> 01:09:17,603
strategic plan they mentioned

2096
01:09:19,336 --> 01:09:19,586
restorative justice practices

2097
01:09:21,620 --> 01:09:21,870
particularly hiring based on

2098
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:23,570
race to match the student

2099
01:09:25,586 --> 01:09:25,836
population or specific student

2100
01:09:26,236 --> 01:09:26,486
discipline policies

2101
01:09:29,820 --> 01:09:30,070
thank you for that'll get with

2102
01:09:32,086 --> 01:09:32,336
my office that we do have an

2103
01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:33,853
office that looks into those and

2104
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:35,570
I'll I'll see if that's that's

2105
01:09:36,086 --> 01:09:36,336
interesting it's interesting mix

2106
01:09:38,086 --> 01:09:38,336
tooixby chickashay norman that's

2107
01:09:39,870 --> 01:09:40,120
what really got my my que and no

2108
01:09:41,853 --> 01:09:42,103
Oklahoma City and and Tulsa like

2109
01:09:43,836 --> 01:09:44,086
what how did how did Oklahoma

2110
01:09:45,570 --> 01:09:45,820
City I used to teach in Oklahoma

2111
01:09:46,303 --> 01:09:46,553
City pretty sure we did

2112
01:09:49,353 --> 01:09:49,603
restorative justice anyway it's

2113
01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:50,220
not a comprehensive list to be

2114
01:09:51,603 --> 01:09:51,853
clear but it's just some of them

2115
01:09:53,570 --> 01:09:53,820
were flagged yeah so I guess my

2116
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:55,570
next thing you know hear about

2117
01:09:55,936 --> 01:09:56,186
Bbiden you hear about Obama.

2118
01:09:56,536 --> 01:09:56,786
what about what about Trump one

2119
01:09:57,186 --> 01:09:57,436
or

2120
01:10:00,103 --> 01:10:00,353
bush or bushjunior how were

2121
01:10:02,086 --> 01:10:02,336
things changed from then to now

2122
01:10:03,820 --> 01:10:04,070
so under the bush

2123
01:10:05,570 --> 01:10:05,820
administrations this disparate

2124
01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:07,586
impact was not implemented at

2125
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:09,570
all. This started back in2011

2126
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:11,570
during the Obama administration

2127
01:10:13,570 --> 01:10:13,820
During Trump won there was an

2128
01:10:15,553 --> 01:10:15,803
attempt to put a pause on this

2129
01:10:18,336 --> 01:10:18,586
disparate impact the I

2130
01:10:20,136 --> 01:10:20,386
believe it was Secretary McMahon

2131
01:10:23,553 --> 01:10:23,803
or at the time maybe it wasn't

2132
01:10:24,186 --> 01:10:24,436
McMahon oh

2133
01:10:29,320 --> 01:10:29,570
I know who it is betsy DeVos yes

2134
01:10:31,336 --> 01:10:31,586
there was a dear colleague

2135
01:10:31,870 --> 01:10:32,120
letter saying that they were not

2136
01:10:33,803 --> 01:10:34,053
going to enforce that regulation

2137
01:10:36,086 --> 01:10:36,336
to my knowledge though there was

2138
01:10:37,603 --> 01:10:37,853
not an official rulemaking

2139
01:10:39,353 --> 01:10:39,603
process to actually repeal that

2140
01:10:40,103 --> 01:10:40,353
guidance from the federal

2141
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:43,570
regulations but this

2142
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:45,570
administration Trump2.0 actually

2143
01:10:46,053 --> 01:10:46,303
went through the rulemaking

2144
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:47,570
process to get rid of that

2145
01:10:47,953 --> 01:10:48,203
guidance so it's a little bit

2146
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:49,870
different so we did have a pause

2147
01:10:51,620 --> 01:10:51,870
for a couple years on the

2148
01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:53,770
enforcement of looking into

2149
01:10:54,086 --> 01:10:54,336
schools

2150
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:57,570
that had disparate impacts

2151
01:11:00,053 --> 01:11:00,303
school discipline policies and

2152
01:11:00,736 --> 01:11:00,986
again that means it was a

2153
01:11:03,570 --> 01:11:03,820
racially neutral evenly applied

2154
01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:05,803
discipline policy that happened

2155
01:11:07,553 --> 01:11:07,803
to affect certain demographics

2156
01:11:08,186 --> 01:11:08,436
of students more than others

2157
01:11:10,203 --> 01:11:10,453
just statistically randomly

2158
01:11:10,753 --> 01:11:11,003
but

2159
01:11:15,336 --> 01:11:15,586
not specific intentional

2160
01:11:17,553 --> 01:11:17,803
instances of discrimination

2161
01:11:20,053 --> 01:11:20,303
but this is a much longer term

2162
01:11:21,553 --> 01:11:21,803
solution to actually go through

2163
01:11:22,270 --> 01:11:22,520
the rulemaking process and

2164
01:11:23,770 --> 01:11:24,020
repeal it so that's why biden

2165
01:11:25,553 --> 01:11:25,803
could go right back to to how it

2166
01:11:27,336 --> 01:11:27,586
was under Bbiden yeah or under

2167
01:11:27,970 --> 01:11:28,220
Obamau follow up

2168
01:11:32,070 --> 01:11:32,320
thank you for that. I might

2169
01:11:33,553 --> 01:11:33,803
have no no I got it

2170
01:11:35,586 --> 01:11:35,836
so

2171
01:11:40,353 --> 01:11:40,603
restorative justice we're we're

2172
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:41,820
hearing a lot of negatives

2173
01:11:43,553 --> 01:11:43,803
towards it. as a former

2174
01:11:45,336 --> 01:11:45,586
teacher I understand where

2175
01:11:47,553 --> 01:11:47,803
you're coming from because and

2176
01:11:48,253 --> 01:11:48,503
this is a statement and a

2177
01:11:50,036 --> 01:11:50,286
question we just didn't have

2178
01:11:51,803 --> 01:11:52,053
the staff we had we had a we had

2179
01:11:53,586 --> 01:11:53,836
a revolving door we had a new

2180
01:11:55,803 --> 01:11:56,053
administrator every time we

2181
01:11:57,836 --> 01:11:58,086
tried PbS and PbS failed because

2182
01:11:59,586 --> 01:11:59,836
pbs was something before that

2183
01:12:01,586 --> 01:12:01,836
and so on and so forth so my

2184
01:12:02,186 --> 01:12:02,436
question is are there any

2185
01:12:03,820 --> 01:12:04,070
positives you can tell us about

2186
01:12:05,336 --> 01:12:05,586
restorative justice because I

2187
01:12:05,936 --> 01:12:06,186
know they're out there

2188
01:12:07,603 --> 01:12:07,853
no absolutely so

2189
01:12:11,586 --> 01:12:11,836
definitely I'm painting broad

2190
01:12:13,336 --> 01:12:13,586
strokes today we're going over

2191
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:15,570
the basics right but

2192
01:12:16,036 --> 01:12:16,286
obviously there are things that

2193
01:12:17,803 --> 01:12:18,053
can be taken from restorative

2194
01:12:19,803 --> 01:12:20,053
justice and and implemented hand

2195
01:12:22,270 --> 01:12:22,520
in hand with good student

2196
01:12:25,586 --> 01:12:25,836
consequences for bad

2197
01:12:27,336 --> 01:12:27,586
behavior. so one of the examples

2198
01:12:29,336 --> 01:12:29,586
that I gave earlier was

2199
01:12:31,570 --> 01:12:31,820
student hunger that that is very

2200
01:12:32,270 --> 01:12:32,520
much that comes from restorative

2201
01:12:33,820 --> 01:12:34,070
justice you know we shouldn't be

2202
01:12:35,586 --> 01:12:35,836
punishing students for acting

2203
01:12:37,336 --> 01:12:37,586
out because they're coming to

2204
01:12:37,936 --> 01:12:38,186
school hungry. that's not fair.

2205
01:12:38,603 --> 01:12:38,853
they just don't have

2206
01:12:40,303 --> 01:12:40,553
the food at home that they need

2207
01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:43,820
but that doesn't give

2208
01:12:45,336 --> 01:12:45,586
students the latitude to do

2209
01:12:46,053 --> 01:12:46,303
whatever they want and take

2210
01:12:48,036 --> 01:12:48,286
learning opportunities away from

2211
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:51,570
the other 98% of the class right

2212
01:12:53,336 --> 01:12:53,586
so there needs to be a balance

2213
01:12:54,036 --> 01:12:54,286
between student consequences and

2214
01:12:57,336 --> 01:12:57,586
restorative justice so again one

2215
01:12:58,103 --> 01:12:58,353
of the solutions that we kind of

2216
01:13:00,036 --> 01:13:00,286
talked about is this behavior

2217
01:13:01,803 --> 01:13:02,053
intervention plan where the

2218
01:13:03,803 --> 01:13:04,053
student is removed which is that

2219
01:13:05,353 --> 01:13:05,603
exclusionary disciplinary

2220
01:13:07,603 --> 01:13:07,853
process but removed and then

2221
01:13:08,253 --> 01:13:08,503
investigate

2222
01:13:09,820 --> 01:13:10,070
they're they're gonna to

2223
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:10,570
investigate with the root cause

2224
01:13:11,553 --> 01:13:11,803
of the behavior is cause it

2225
01:13:13,836 --> 01:13:14,086
doesn't do students any good to

2226
01:13:15,336 --> 01:13:15,586
just kick him out of class and

2227
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:17,570
do nothing about it. It doesn't

2228
01:13:17,986 --> 01:13:18,236
so

2229
01:13:19,553 --> 01:13:19,803
that's that's what I would say

2230
01:13:21,553 --> 01:13:21,803
positive about sort of just real

2231
01:13:22,236 --> 01:13:22,486
quick I will say we already have

2232
01:13:23,620 --> 01:13:23,870
that in almost every district

2233
01:13:25,603 --> 01:13:25,853
just being very

2234
01:13:27,803 --> 01:13:28,053
honestpresentativeugiller you

2235
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:30,320
were up. Thank you so I don't

2236
01:13:31,620 --> 01:13:31,870
know if you were able to hear

2237
01:13:33,586 --> 01:13:33,836
the first presentation today on

2238
01:13:35,803 --> 01:13:36,053
discipline that is unfortunate

2239
01:13:36,470 --> 01:13:36,720
so

2240
01:13:39,603 --> 01:13:39,853
you know what their main focus

2241
01:13:42,086 --> 01:13:42,336
on was no one disagrees that

2242
01:13:44,103 --> 01:13:44,353
discipline disciplining

2243
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:47,570
classroom disruption is a

2244
01:13:49,570 --> 01:13:49,820
concern. The solution that you

2245
01:13:50,353 --> 01:13:50,603
have provided doesn't provide

2246
01:13:53,336 --> 01:13:53,586
direct services to students and

2247
01:13:54,103 --> 01:13:54,353
when you first started this out

2248
01:13:56,086 --> 01:13:56,336
it said more support for

2249
01:13:57,536 --> 01:13:57,786
students and so

2250
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:02,370
for us we have you know

2251
01:14:03,820 --> 01:14:04,070
ateddmmonublic schools they give

2252
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:05,570
the example they have one

2253
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:07,770
behavioral specialist for a high

2254
01:14:08,170 --> 01:14:08,420
school and two middle schools.

2255
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:11,570
you know if they're having

2256
01:14:13,336 --> 01:14:13,586
discipline problems they admin

2257
01:14:15,603 --> 01:14:15,853
is in every IEP meeting. they're

2258
01:14:19,336 --> 01:14:19,586
also overseeing new teachers you

2259
01:14:21,820 --> 01:14:22,070
know and so we have a school

2260
01:14:23,570 --> 01:14:23,820
system and I know you're not

2261
01:14:24,286 --> 01:14:24,536
from Oklahoma so I'm trying to

2262
01:14:25,786 --> 01:14:26,036
inform you because you've given

2263
01:14:27,553 --> 01:14:27,803
us a lot of information on

2264
01:14:31,336 --> 01:14:31,586
Wisconsin but we have a school

2265
01:14:34,053 --> 01:14:34,303
system that while we have

2266
01:14:36,020 --> 01:14:36,270
provided additional funds we

2267
01:14:37,336 --> 01:14:37,586
have provided direct

2268
01:14:39,853 --> 01:14:40,103
things that they have to do in

2269
01:14:41,803 --> 01:14:42,053
the school and have it provided

2270
01:14:43,836 --> 01:14:44,086
a real broad opportunity of

2271
01:14:45,553 --> 01:14:45,803
addressing these big issues that

2272
01:14:47,570 --> 01:14:47,820
you're talking about. I had a

2273
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:49,570
bill on school counselors like

2274
01:14:53,336 --> 01:14:53,586
we need more and services so you

2275
01:14:54,186 --> 01:14:54,436
know when the governor

2276
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:58,370
vetoed this bill. I think that

2277
01:15:00,103 --> 01:15:00,353
was a direct request to say

2278
01:15:02,086 --> 01:15:02,336
maybe you need more supports and

2279
01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:03,836
so are you going back to

2280
01:15:05,603 --> 01:15:05,853
Wisconsin to address that side

2281
01:15:06,303 --> 01:15:06,553
of it in funding for those

2282
01:15:07,586 --> 01:15:07,836
services.

2283
01:15:09,853 --> 01:15:10,103
Sure when you say student

2284
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:11,820
supports can you give me an

2285
01:15:13,403 --> 01:15:13,653
example exactly? but obviously

2286
01:15:14,136 --> 01:15:14,386
you reference the behavior

2287
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:16,070
specialists and counselors so

2288
01:15:17,820 --> 01:15:18,070
you just want more of them per

2289
01:15:20,136 --> 01:15:20,386
student or what exactly mean we

2290
01:15:23,586 --> 01:15:23,836
have so our my kid' school just

2291
01:15:24,270 --> 01:15:24,520
added a and I don't know the

2292
01:15:27,603 --> 01:15:27,853
term for it so more teachers

2293
01:15:28,236 --> 01:15:28,486
would probably know but it's

2294
01:15:30,103 --> 01:15:30,353
like a a certification that's

2295
01:15:33,336 --> 01:15:33,586
now in our school district or in

2296
01:15:35,336 --> 01:15:35,586
our school that we have not had

2297
01:15:36,336 --> 01:15:36,586
before for discipline issues you

2298
01:15:38,070 --> 01:15:38,320
know but I don't think that's

2299
01:15:39,820 --> 01:15:40,070
available for all schools across

2300
01:15:43,336 --> 01:15:43,586
the state and I know my

2301
01:15:43,820 --> 01:15:44,070
concern for that is like well

2302
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:46,070
what service was cut to provide

2303
01:15:47,570 --> 01:15:47,820
this disciplined service and

2304
01:15:49,603 --> 01:15:49,853
that cause I don't think we had

2305
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:51,570
overflow of money to add

2306
01:15:53,336 --> 01:15:53,586
additional support so each

2307
01:15:54,103 --> 01:15:54,353
school would look different on

2308
01:15:54,736 --> 01:15:54,986
what those I mean it could be a

2309
01:15:55,403 --> 01:15:55,653
social worker

2310
01:15:57,870 --> 01:15:58,120
we used to have embedded social

2311
01:15:59,870 --> 01:16:00,120
workers that worked with DHS in

2312
01:16:01,620 --> 01:16:01,870
every school when I started. I

2313
01:16:02,236 --> 01:16:02,486
worked at the food bank and it

2314
01:16:04,070 --> 01:16:04,320
was incredible to a question

2315
01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:05,570
please

2316
01:16:07,570 --> 01:16:07,820
so when there's a million and

2317
01:16:09,570 --> 01:16:09,820
services for me you know that I

2318
01:16:11,336 --> 01:16:11,586
would want to add but you know

2319
01:16:11,936 --> 01:16:12,186
is that what y'all are going

2320
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:15,570
back for? Yeah so I think one of

2321
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:17,570
the things that needs to be

2322
01:16:19,620 --> 01:16:19,870
considered is and again I'm

2323
01:16:20,220 --> 01:16:20,470
going to keep coming back to

2324
01:16:23,586 --> 01:16:23,836
this is balance we've seen

2325
01:16:24,186 --> 01:16:24,436
across the country this is

2326
01:16:24,820 --> 01:16:25,070
statistically accurate that

2327
01:16:27,353 --> 01:16:27,603
more and more and more

2328
01:16:29,603 --> 01:16:29,853
administrators are being hired

2329
01:16:32,103 --> 01:16:32,353
than teachers and so while I

2330
01:16:34,086 --> 01:16:34,336
think it's important that mental

2331
01:16:35,836 --> 01:16:36,086
health services and special

2332
01:16:37,570 --> 01:16:37,820
needs services and behavior plan

2333
01:16:39,336 --> 01:16:39,586
or behavior specialists are

2334
01:16:41,553 --> 01:16:41,803
available to schools as much as

2335
01:16:42,203 --> 01:16:42,453
possible

2336
01:16:45,820 --> 01:16:46,070
it is also true that

2337
01:16:47,620 --> 01:16:47,870
administrators are hired at a

2338
01:16:49,336 --> 01:16:49,586
much higher rate across the

2339
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:51,570
country in schools than teachers

2340
01:16:53,603 --> 01:16:53,853
are even so those supports are

2341
01:16:55,803 --> 01:16:56,053
increasing statistically

2342
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:58,320
speaking and the other thing I

2343
01:17:01,353 --> 01:17:01,603
would note is that a lot of

2344
01:17:03,336 --> 01:17:03,586
times this starts in the

2345
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:05,570
classroom and with teachers and

2346
01:17:06,086 --> 01:17:06,336
this whole thing hinges on the

2347
01:17:07,836 --> 01:17:08,086
fact that teachers don't feel

2348
01:17:09,836 --> 01:17:10,086
supported by their

2349
01:17:11,353 --> 01:17:11,603
administration they're saying

2350
01:17:12,020 --> 01:17:12,270
that their administrators are

2351
01:17:12,670 --> 01:17:12,920
telling them

2352
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:16,320
not to report these things not

2353
01:17:19,353 --> 01:17:19,603
to handle student behaviors so

2354
01:17:20,153 --> 01:17:20,403
at this point there also needs

2355
01:17:22,103 --> 01:17:22,353
to be a conversation about how

2356
01:17:24,103 --> 01:17:24,353
adding additional administrators

2357
01:17:26,103 --> 01:17:26,353
may not solve all those issues.

2358
01:17:28,086 --> 01:17:28,336
It also comes down to how

2359
01:17:29,886 --> 01:17:30,136
teachers are being treated by

2360
01:17:31,553 --> 01:17:31,803
administrations and their

2361
01:17:32,153 --> 01:17:32,403
protections under state law

2362
01:17:37,570 --> 01:17:37,820
former administrator here yeah

2363
01:17:41,853 --> 01:17:42,103
I'm pretty offended I'm sorry

2364
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:47,570
you know so so in the decade

2365
01:17:47,903 --> 01:17:48,153
plus before coming to the

2366
01:17:49,770 --> 01:17:50,020
legislature I was a principal

2367
01:17:51,786 --> 01:17:52,036
and and what really pops out to

2368
01:17:55,553 --> 01:17:55,803
me is more administrators and

2369
01:17:57,336 --> 01:17:57,586
teachers doesn't really ring

2370
01:17:57,953 --> 01:17:58,203
true from a mathematical

2371
01:18:03,336 --> 01:18:03,586
stance but I mean Ii ran

2372
01:18:03,820 --> 01:18:04,070
buildings with very little

2373
01:18:07,536 --> 01:18:07,786
support h 100 plus staff,700

2374
01:18:08,203 --> 01:18:08,453
kids and me

2375
01:18:13,586 --> 01:18:13,836
and in those years that I was an

2376
01:18:14,253 --> 01:18:14,503
administrator the nature of my

2377
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:15,170
question

2378
01:18:17,753 --> 01:18:18,003
every single year I cut my

2379
01:18:18,286 --> 01:18:18,536
budget

2380
01:18:19,386 --> 01:18:19,636
every single year

2381
01:18:21,820 --> 01:18:22,070
because the money coming from

2382
01:18:23,336 --> 01:18:23,586
the state or the money coming

2383
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:24,320
from the federal government was

2384
01:18:27,336 --> 01:18:27,586
less and less to the point that

2385
01:18:29,553 --> 01:18:29,803
I was doing a lot more with a

2386
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:33,570
lot less every single year and

2387
01:18:35,336 --> 01:18:35,586
so it resonates with me as true

2388
01:18:37,820 --> 01:18:38,070
that teachers don't feel

2389
01:18:39,586 --> 01:18:39,836
supported because there were

2390
01:18:41,603 --> 01:18:41,853
only so many administrators to

2391
01:18:43,586 --> 01:18:43,836
go around my question to you is

2392
01:18:46,070 --> 01:18:46,320
in Wisconsin what did you do to

2393
01:18:48,053 --> 01:18:48,303
support administrators because

2394
01:18:49,353 --> 01:18:49,603
my health started failing

2395
01:18:49,903 --> 01:18:50,153
because

2396
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:51,770
there was one of me

2397
01:18:52,303 --> 01:18:52,553
and

2398
01:18:57,353 --> 01:18:57,603
and I heard

2399
01:19:01,570 --> 01:19:01,820
I believe I interpreted what you

2400
01:19:02,286 --> 01:19:02,536
said is like a lot of this is

2401
01:19:04,086 --> 01:19:04,336
the fault of the administrator

2402
01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:06,070
and I want to be very careful. I

2403
01:19:06,486 --> 01:19:06,736
mean there are bad apples

2404
01:19:08,353 --> 01:19:08,603
in in every profession that we

2405
01:19:09,020 --> 01:19:09,270
have

2406
01:19:13,836 --> 01:19:14,086
but the the defunding of our

2407
01:19:15,336 --> 01:19:15,586
public schools did not happen

2408
01:19:16,003 --> 01:19:16,253
overnight.

2409
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:18,370
and were crawling out of that

2410
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:21,570
slowly so for any bill of rights

2411
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:23,570
that we see for teachers I'm

2412
01:19:23,936 --> 01:19:24,186
there and I'm with you because

2413
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:26,370
I'm servant leader and and good

2414
01:19:27,836 --> 01:19:28,086
teachers make for successful

2415
01:19:29,553 --> 01:19:29,803
students but when the

2416
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:30,370
administrator doesn't have the

2417
01:19:30,803 --> 01:19:31,053
supports

2418
01:19:34,103 --> 01:19:34,353
and that has to come in the form

2419
01:19:36,103 --> 01:19:36,353
of funding I don't see how this

2420
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:38,070
is more than words on paper

2421
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:39,770
unless you wrap around this with

2422
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:43,570
higher quality supports and

2423
01:19:43,870 --> 01:19:44,120
training for your administrators

2424
01:19:49,553 --> 01:19:49,803
and more of them at the school

2425
01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:51,820
level now we hear a lot of

2426
01:19:52,153 --> 01:19:52,403
conversation about

2427
01:19:53,336 --> 01:19:53,586
superintendents and service

2428
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:54,370
centers and and all and and

2429
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:56,320
staff salaries that stack there

2430
01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:58,020
different conversation but

2431
01:20:03,353 --> 01:20:03,603
my question to you and then to

2432
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:05,570
you if you bring forth this bill

2433
01:20:08,036 --> 01:20:08,286
of rights what are you doing to

2434
01:20:09,803 --> 01:20:10,053
make sure those things can

2435
01:20:12,270 --> 01:20:12,520
happen and boy don't tell me we

2436
01:20:13,553 --> 01:20:13,803
can do it with the money that we

2437
01:20:14,220 --> 01:20:14,470
already have

2438
01:20:16,086 --> 01:20:16,336
because you'll see more

2439
01:20:18,020 --> 01:20:18,270
administrators leave that are of

2440
01:20:18,686 --> 01:20:18,936
quality

2441
01:20:19,836 --> 01:20:20,086
that do care

2442
01:20:23,820 --> 01:20:24,070
and so I want to know what is

2443
01:20:25,603 --> 01:20:25,853
happening in Wisconsin and have

2444
01:20:27,336 --> 01:20:27,586
all the disciplinary issues

2445
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:29,570
dissipated but then I heard you

2446
01:20:31,603 --> 01:20:31,853
speak about ways we can address

2447
01:20:32,220 --> 01:20:32,470
the discipline issues that

2448
01:20:36,086 --> 01:20:36,336
by George were positiveha

2449
01:20:38,103 --> 01:20:38,353
intervention supports it worked

2450
01:20:39,586 --> 01:20:39,836
in my school. These were

2451
01:20:41,603 --> 01:20:41,853
positive behavior interventions.

2452
01:20:43,336 --> 01:20:43,586
If a kid is hungry they're not

2453
01:20:44,003 --> 01:20:44,253
going to learn but they'll

2454
01:20:44,586 --> 01:20:44,836
certainly be a discipline

2455
01:20:45,136 --> 01:20:45,386
problem

2456
01:20:46,053 --> 01:20:46,303
and so

2457
01:20:50,336 --> 01:20:50,586
what are we doing? what have you

2458
01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:53,570
done and where iswisconsin now?

2459
01:20:55,570 --> 01:20:55,820
Yeah, OK so let me try and pick

2460
01:20:57,336 --> 01:20:57,586
that apart a little bit first

2461
01:20:59,320 --> 01:20:59,570
and foremost I thank you for

2462
01:21:00,086 --> 01:21:00,336
your work as a public educator

2463
01:21:02,336 --> 01:21:02,586
and as a principal obviously

2464
01:21:03,603 --> 01:21:03,853
it sounds like you did a

2465
01:21:05,336 --> 01:21:05,586
wonderful job in your district

2466
01:21:06,103 --> 01:21:06,353
maintaining a balanced budget

2467
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:08,320
and supporting your teachers so

2468
01:21:09,870 --> 01:21:10,120
I don't want to come in here and

2469
01:21:11,603 --> 01:21:11,853
say that all administrators are

2470
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:13,570
bad that's certainly not the

2471
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:15,870
case but I am here to advocate

2472
01:21:16,270 --> 01:21:16,520
on behalf of teachers who have

2473
01:21:16,953 --> 01:21:17,203
come to us

2474
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:20,320
dozens and dozens of teachers

2475
01:21:21,570 --> 01:21:21,820
who've had really negative

2476
01:21:23,803 --> 01:21:24,053
experiences not being supported

2477
01:21:25,570 --> 01:21:25,820
in their schools and we can talk

2478
01:21:27,553 --> 01:21:27,803
about what the root causes of

2479
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:30,270
that lack of support are I

2480
01:21:32,036 --> 01:21:32,286
think conversations can be had

2481
01:21:33,820 --> 01:21:34,070
about additional training I

2482
01:21:35,820 --> 01:21:36,070
know there was a a a session

2483
01:21:37,586 --> 01:21:37,836
right before this kind of on

2484
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:39,570
teacher training and

2485
01:21:39,803 --> 01:21:40,053
effectiveness and things like

2486
01:21:41,803 --> 01:21:42,053
that I I'm sure there are

2487
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:43,570
administrative trainings out

2488
01:21:45,336 --> 01:21:45,586
there as well. as I mentioned

2489
01:21:46,070 --> 01:21:46,320
most often administrators are

2490
01:21:46,736 --> 01:21:46,986
already

2491
01:21:50,053 --> 01:21:50,303
higher more educated than

2492
01:21:52,086 --> 01:21:52,336
teachers are specially

2493
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:54,320
trained on some of this

2494
01:21:55,853 --> 01:21:56,103
obviously that would vary state

2495
01:21:58,086 --> 01:21:58,336
by state to a certain extent

2496
01:22:01,320 --> 01:22:01,570
but I think the experience is

2497
01:22:02,103 --> 01:22:02,353
positive experiences of good

2498
01:22:04,103 --> 01:22:04,353
administrators doesn't negate

2499
01:22:05,836 --> 01:22:06,086
the negative experiences of

2500
01:22:07,836 --> 01:22:08,086
teachers unfortunately both

2501
01:22:09,553 --> 01:22:09,803
of those things can be true at

2502
01:22:10,220 --> 01:22:10,470
the same time.

2503
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:13,570
so that's kind of the first

2504
01:22:17,336 --> 01:22:17,586
thing in terms of the PBIS

2505
01:22:19,336 --> 01:22:19,586
statement that you made just a

2506
01:22:20,053 --> 01:22:20,303
second ago. I think that goes

2507
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:23,570
back to my answer from the other

2508
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:25,570
representative earlier which

2509
01:22:28,353 --> 01:22:28,603
is that PBIS alone did not help

2510
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:30,370
the at at least not inwisconsin

2511
01:22:32,103 --> 01:22:32,353
in the studies that we had

2512
01:22:33,536 --> 01:22:33,786
the same way because

2513
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:37,570
the actual consequences the

2514
01:22:38,136 --> 01:22:38,386
student being removed from class

2515
01:22:40,086 --> 01:22:40,336
and not being allowed back until

2516
01:22:42,036 --> 01:22:42,286
the root cause was actually

2517
01:22:45,570 --> 01:22:45,820
dealt with is is something

2518
01:22:47,586 --> 01:22:47,836
that resulted in a lot of

2519
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:49,570
schools not implementing

2520
01:22:49,820 --> 01:22:50,070
discipline in the way that it

2521
01:22:51,336 --> 01:22:51,586
needed to be implemented

2522
01:22:54,086 --> 01:22:54,336
obviously umhavis have gone up

2523
01:22:55,620 --> 01:22:55,870
that is just statistically true

2524
01:22:57,620 --> 01:22:57,870
safety concerns have gone up.

2525
01:22:58,203 --> 01:22:58,453
Teachers are leaving the

2526
01:23:01,336 --> 01:23:01,586
profession.udent behavior is the

2527
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:03,570
number one source of teacher

2528
01:23:03,953 --> 01:23:04,203
stress. those things are all

2529
01:23:07,786 --> 01:23:08,036
true so what I was saying is

2530
01:23:10,020 --> 01:23:10,270
that a balance is necessary. you

2531
01:23:12,003 --> 01:23:12,253
need to have good consequences

2532
01:23:13,586 --> 01:23:13,836
for student behavior but they

2533
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:16,320
can be rooted in some positive

2534
01:23:17,820 --> 01:23:18,070
supports that you've seen

2535
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:19,570
success with as well those

2536
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:20,170
things can both be true at the

2537
01:23:20,570 --> 01:23:20,820
same time.

2538
01:23:23,303 --> 01:23:23,553
I think you you hit it on the

2539
01:23:25,536 --> 01:23:25,786
nail on the head no one thing is

2540
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:28,070
going to fix it all and I think

2541
01:23:30,086 --> 01:23:30,336
a teacher's bill of rights looks

2542
01:23:32,086 --> 01:23:32,336
pretty on paper but where are

2543
01:23:33,836 --> 01:23:34,086
the supports that come with it

2544
01:23:35,836 --> 01:23:36,086
for teachers but then when

2545
01:23:36,453 --> 01:23:36,703
you're putting the

2546
01:23:37,820 --> 01:23:38,070
responsibility on an

2547
01:23:39,853 --> 01:23:40,103
administrator rightly so where

2548
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:41,570
are the supports for that

2549
01:23:43,336 --> 01:23:43,586
administrator and and so what

2550
01:23:45,586 --> 01:23:45,836
I'm asking you is I mean again

2551
01:23:47,570 --> 01:23:47,820
you're right no one thing but if

2552
01:23:49,320 --> 01:23:49,570
you're going to add to the plate

2553
01:23:49,986 --> 01:23:50,236
of an administrator who

2554
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:53,570
is required by law to notify

2555
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:54,320
police anytime there's anything

2556
01:23:55,636 --> 01:23:55,886
here in the state of Oklahoma

2557
01:23:56,236 --> 01:23:56,486
that's law now

2558
01:23:59,553 --> 01:23:59,803
that's a good thing where are

2559
01:24:00,136 --> 01:24:00,386
the supports for the

2560
01:24:01,370 --> 01:24:01,620
administrator and I think what I

2561
01:24:02,053 --> 01:24:02,303
heard is

2562
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:05,570
your opinion is we have

2563
01:24:05,836 --> 01:24:06,086
everything we need there's no

2564
01:24:06,486 --> 01:24:06,736
need

2565
01:24:08,036 --> 01:24:08,286
to provide more to

2566
01:24:10,036 --> 01:24:10,286
administrators well to be

2567
01:24:11,803 --> 01:24:12,053
perfectly candid, I don't know

2568
01:24:13,803 --> 01:24:14,053
all of the ins and outs of what

2569
01:24:15,553 --> 01:24:15,803
is provided to administrators in

2570
01:24:17,336 --> 01:24:17,586
Oklahoma public schools. I'm not

2571
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:19,570
an expert in that but that being

2572
01:24:21,603 --> 01:24:21,853
said oftentimes administrators

2573
01:24:23,570 --> 01:24:23,820
are hired specifically to deal

2574
01:24:25,320 --> 01:24:25,570
with some of these issues in a

2575
01:24:26,053 --> 01:24:26,303
way that teachers are not.

2576
01:24:28,036 --> 01:24:28,286
Teachers are hired to educate

2577
01:24:31,353 --> 01:24:31,603
1f+ students in a classroom

2578
01:24:33,353 --> 01:24:33,603
every day their workload is

2579
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:35,570
enormous. they do not have the

2580
01:24:35,970 --> 01:24:36,220
bandwidth to handle these

2581
01:24:39,803 --> 01:24:40,053
student behaviors and deans of

2582
01:24:43,303 --> 01:24:43,553
studentshaal specialists they

2583
01:24:44,003 --> 01:24:44,253
are designated to handle those

2584
01:24:47,586 --> 01:24:47,836
behaviors so I think that

2585
01:24:49,586 --> 01:24:49,836
answers your question I hope

2586
01:24:51,820 --> 01:24:52,070
it does anyway but there

2587
01:24:53,603 --> 01:24:53,853
there is definitely a difference

2588
01:24:54,286 --> 01:24:54,536
and

2589
01:24:57,803 --> 01:24:58,053
yes there are lots of ways that

2590
01:24:59,570 --> 01:24:59,820
you can approach handling some

2591
01:25:00,170 --> 01:25:00,420
of these issues but a teacher

2592
01:25:01,853 --> 01:25:02,103
bill of rights is a great first

2593
01:25:03,803 --> 01:25:04,053
step it's a great first step

2594
01:25:05,536 --> 01:25:05,786
to making sure that teachers

2595
01:25:07,603 --> 01:25:07,853
feel heard feel like they're

2596
01:25:09,570 --> 01:25:09,820
being protected by their

2597
01:25:10,053 --> 01:25:10,303
administrations. it's a great

2598
01:25:12,053 --> 01:25:12,303
first step towards students

2599
01:25:14,070 --> 01:25:14,320
feeling safer and as I mentioned

2600
01:25:15,803 --> 01:25:16,053
this has already been passed in

2601
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:18,320
six other states so we have

2602
01:25:19,353 --> 01:25:19,603
some great data coming out of

2603
01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:21,820
those states about discipline

2604
01:25:23,453 --> 01:25:23,703
issues and how they're being

2605
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:24,370
resolved as well

2606
01:25:30,036 --> 01:25:30,286
thank you Mr chairman could you

2607
01:25:31,553 --> 01:25:31,803
expound further on what you just

2608
01:25:32,236 --> 01:25:32,486
said of the the states that have

2609
01:25:33,803 --> 01:25:34,053
implemented this

2610
01:25:35,336 --> 01:25:35,586
approximately when when did they

2611
01:25:36,053 --> 01:25:36,303
implement it and then what are

2612
01:25:38,036 --> 01:25:38,286
some of those results that

2613
01:25:41,336 --> 01:25:41,586
have have come from that so I'm

2614
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:42,320
going back on the slides here

2615
01:25:44,036 --> 01:25:44,286
because I had the study up

2616
01:25:46,270 --> 01:25:46,520
earlier and you guys can take a

2617
01:25:49,336 --> 01:25:49,586
look at it if you want oh there

2618
01:25:51,586 --> 01:25:51,836
we go so this was just

2619
01:25:53,570 --> 01:25:53,820
published by 00 no

2620
01:25:57,803 --> 01:25:58,053
there you go OK this was just

2621
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:01,570
published by AEi this went

2622
01:26:02,103 --> 01:26:02,353
state by state and looked into

2623
01:26:04,086 --> 01:26:04,336
what interventions they had

2624
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:06,570
implemented in their state I

2625
01:26:07,820 --> 01:26:08,070
mentioned a few of them parental

2626
01:26:09,570 --> 01:26:09,820
notification anti-teacher

2627
01:26:11,820 --> 01:26:12,070
retaliation among other

2628
01:26:14,053 --> 01:26:14,303
things those were very common in

2629
01:26:16,053 --> 01:26:16,303
those school districts in

2630
01:26:19,353 --> 01:26:19,603
those states and now we are

2631
01:26:20,136 --> 01:26:20,386
seeing some of them are passed

2632
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:22,120
very very recently. I would say

2633
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:23,770
most of them have passed within

2634
01:26:24,186 --> 01:26:24,436
the last ive years

2635
01:26:25,870 --> 01:26:26,120
so we're just now starting to

2636
01:26:27,336 --> 01:26:27,586
see some data out of those

2637
01:26:29,603 --> 01:26:29,853
states as well but that's a

2638
01:26:31,586 --> 01:26:31,836
great study I encourage you guys

2639
01:26:33,603 --> 01:26:33,853
to check it out you tell us what

2640
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:34,570
states'm sorry if I missed that

2641
01:26:35,386 --> 01:26:35,636
yes I have it written down hold

2642
01:26:36,036 --> 01:26:36,286
on

2643
01:26:37,820 --> 01:26:38,070
don't know them exactly off the

2644
01:26:40,070 --> 01:26:40,320
top of my head but it's alabama

2645
01:26:41,836 --> 01:26:42,086
Arkansas, Texas, Tennessee

2646
01:26:44,203 --> 01:26:44,453
and

2647
01:26:45,553 --> 01:26:45,803
hold on

2648
01:26:51,820 --> 01:26:52,070
yes Florida alabama, Arkansas,

2649
01:26:53,470 --> 01:26:53,720
Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee

2650
01:26:54,153 --> 01:26:54,403
and Texas.

2651
01:26:55,986 --> 01:26:56,236
thank you

2652
01:26:59,570 --> 01:26:59,820
thank youpresentative Ha I think

2653
01:27:00,236 --> 01:27:00,486
you're at the next part in your

2654
01:27:00,903 --> 01:27:01,153
presentation

2655
01:27:03,386 --> 01:27:03,636
right

2656
01:27:07,570 --> 01:27:07,820
thank you Mr chairirman OK so

2657
01:27:09,336 --> 01:27:09,586
for the thank you thank you

2658
01:27:10,103 --> 01:27:10,353
for coming in and presenting and

2659
01:27:12,086 --> 01:27:12,336
and sharing your your expertise

2660
01:27:14,103 --> 01:27:14,353
with this for the the next

2661
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:17,570
part we were going to have a a

2662
01:27:19,570 --> 01:27:19,820
teacher come in and and share

2663
01:27:21,336 --> 01:27:21,586
his personal testimony he had a

2664
01:27:22,103 --> 01:27:22,353
conflict and was unable to

2665
01:27:25,336 --> 01:27:25,586
actually make it and and so he

2666
01:27:26,003 --> 01:27:26,253
provided us with a written

2667
01:27:27,603 --> 01:27:27,853
testimony so that should be at

2668
01:27:28,236 --> 01:27:28,486
the bottom of the stack of

2669
01:27:29,836 --> 01:27:30,086
papers that everyone in here

2670
01:27:32,103 --> 01:27:32,353
received his name's mis Benerry

2671
01:27:33,553 --> 01:27:33,803
he's a teacher in moreore public

2672
01:27:34,203 --> 01:27:34,453
schools but I

2673
01:27:36,153 --> 01:27:36,403
wanted to just read a few

2674
01:27:38,103 --> 01:27:38,353
excerpts from his testimony. I

2675
01:27:39,586 --> 01:27:39,836
won't read the whole thing it's

2676
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:40,570
about three pages long but it's

2677
01:27:43,336 --> 01:27:43,586
a few excerpts to give an idea

2678
01:27:44,086 --> 01:27:44,336
of of his perspective from an

2679
01:27:45,386 --> 01:27:45,636
Oklahoma educator.

2680
01:27:50,086 --> 01:27:50,336
who says I'm a teacher with 20

2681
01:27:51,570 --> 01:27:51,820
years of experience in

2682
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:53,570
educationhroughout my career

2683
01:27:53,953 --> 01:27:54,203
I've worked in three school

2684
01:27:55,336 --> 01:27:55,586
districts and4 schools. I've

2685
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:56,220
taught and coached in both

2686
01:27:57,603 --> 01:27:57,853
affluent school districts and

2687
01:27:59,586 --> 01:27:59,836
low income urbanitle one schools

2688
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:01,570
as a result I've experienced a

2689
01:28:02,103 --> 01:28:02,353
wide range of educational

2690
01:28:03,836 --> 01:28:04,086
environments and socioeconomic

2691
01:28:05,603 --> 01:28:05,853
circumstances my wife has also

2692
01:28:06,220 --> 01:28:06,470
worked as a public school

2693
01:28:07,336 --> 01:28:07,586
teacher for more than 20 years

2694
01:28:08,103 --> 01:28:08,353
primarily as a first grade

2695
01:28:09,586 --> 01:28:09,836
teacher in addition, I'm the

2696
01:28:11,336 --> 01:28:11,586
parent of two elementary school

2697
01:28:12,070 --> 01:28:12,320
aged daughters and then I'm

2698
01:28:13,853 --> 01:28:14,103
going to skip down a little bit

2699
01:28:15,836 --> 01:28:16,086
to section one here it says

2700
01:28:17,753 --> 01:28:18,003
first I'd like to discuss my

2701
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:18,570
experiences as a parent

2702
01:28:20,103 --> 01:28:20,353
of children in public schools.

2703
01:28:21,570 --> 01:28:21,820
Many parents have well behaved

2704
01:28:22,186 --> 01:28:22,436
children and high expectations

2705
01:28:23,853 --> 01:28:24,103
for their education yet they are

2706
01:28:25,336 --> 01:28:25,586
increasingly concerned about the

2707
01:28:26,003 --> 01:28:26,253
lack of classroom control and

2708
01:28:26,653 --> 01:28:26,903
discipline.

2709
01:28:28,103 --> 01:28:28,353
when my daughter was in the 3rd

2710
01:28:29,853 --> 01:28:30,103
grade she witnessed her teacher

2711
01:28:31,586 --> 01:28:31,836
being assaulted by a student

2712
01:28:32,186 --> 01:28:32,436
with a highly troubling

2713
01:28:33,803 --> 01:28:34,053
background on three occasions my

2714
01:28:34,553 --> 01:28:34,803
daughter had to be evacuated

2715
01:28:35,220 --> 01:28:35,470
from the classroom

2716
01:28:37,786 --> 01:28:38,036
she also heard profanity from

2717
01:28:39,336 --> 01:28:39,586
the student on a daily basis

2718
01:28:39,903 --> 01:28:40,153
this situation continued for

2719
01:28:41,586 --> 01:28:41,836
most of the school year despite

2720
01:28:42,270 --> 01:28:42,520
numerous complaints from parents

2721
01:28:43,803 --> 01:28:44,053
throughout the class. Little

2722
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:45,570
action was taken until the

2723
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:46,170
student eventually assaulted a

2724
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:46,770
police officer after leaving

2725
01:28:47,203 --> 01:28:47,453
school grounds

2726
01:28:50,303 --> 01:28:50,553
and then skipping down to

2727
01:28:50,853 --> 01:28:51,103
section three

2728
01:28:55,586 --> 01:28:55,836
he says IEPs in section one or

2729
01:28:57,303 --> 01:28:57,553
section504 plans can

2730
01:28:57,803 --> 01:28:58,053
significantly limit schools

2731
01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:59,820
abilities to hold students

2732
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:00,570
accountable for their actions

2733
01:29:02,053 --> 01:29:02,303
although this may be primarily a

2734
01:29:03,553 --> 01:29:03,803
federal issue it affects state

2735
01:29:05,586 --> 01:29:05,836
and local education systems to a

2736
01:29:07,336 --> 01:29:07,586
considerable degree in my

2737
01:29:08,036 --> 01:29:08,286
experience some parents attempt

2738
01:29:09,553 --> 01:29:09,803
to include provisions in their

2739
01:29:11,603 --> 01:29:11,853
children'siEP or504 plans that

2740
01:29:12,336 --> 01:29:12,586
make it difficult for schools to

2741
01:29:13,853 --> 01:29:14,103
impose discipline or hold

2742
01:29:15,336 --> 01:29:15,586
students accountable for

2743
01:29:16,086 --> 01:29:16,336
misconduct as a result schools

2744
01:29:17,836 --> 01:29:18,086
have increasingly increasingly

2745
01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:20,320
struggled to enforce assignment

2746
01:29:21,536 --> 01:29:21,786
deadlines Many districts and

2747
01:29:22,203 --> 01:29:22,453
schools have imple

2748
01:29:23,836 --> 01:29:24,086
ment ed policies stating that

2749
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:25,570
students may not receive a grade

2750
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:27,570
lower than50% on an assignment

2751
01:29:29,336 --> 01:29:29,586
or assessment regardless of

2752
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:30,320
whether the student completed

2753
01:29:31,603 --> 01:29:31,853
the work students quickly learn

2754
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:32,570
how to take advantage of these

2755
01:29:33,820 --> 01:29:34,070
policies by ignoring their

2756
01:29:35,586 --> 01:29:35,836
schoolwork and using class time

2757
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:36,570
to misbehave or disrupt

2758
01:29:36,870 --> 01:29:37,120
instruction

2759
01:29:39,536 --> 01:29:39,786
and then skipping down again

2760
01:29:41,553 --> 01:29:41,803
many disciplinary measures that

2761
01:29:42,253 --> 01:29:42,503
teachers once used have been

2762
01:29:43,620 --> 01:29:43,870
removed or prohibited because

2763
01:29:44,220 --> 01:29:44,470
they are considered harmful or

2764
01:29:45,820 --> 01:29:46,070
detrimental to students mental

2765
01:29:47,803 --> 01:29:48,053
or physical wellbe. Examples

2766
01:29:49,336 --> 01:29:49,586
include withholding recess

2767
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:50,170
requiring students to write

2768
01:29:51,570 --> 01:29:51,820
sentences as a consequence

2769
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:53,570
keeping students after classroom

2770
01:29:54,036 --> 01:29:54,286
for discussion or requiring

2771
01:29:55,353 --> 01:29:55,603
students to clean the classroom

2772
01:29:56,070 --> 01:29:56,320
or school grounds as a result

2773
01:29:57,570 --> 01:29:57,820
teachers have fewer tools

2774
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:59,820
available to address misconduct

2775
01:30:00,286 --> 01:30:00,536
our ability to enforce

2776
01:30:01,836 --> 01:30:02,086
appropriate behavior is

2777
01:30:03,320 --> 01:30:03,570
extremely limited by state and

2778
01:30:04,020 --> 01:30:04,270
federal laws as well as district

2779
01:30:04,686 --> 01:30:04,936
policies.

2780
01:30:07,353 --> 01:30:07,603
and then skipping down to

2781
01:30:07,903 --> 01:30:08,153
section five

2782
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:10,320
the role and function of school

2783
01:30:11,786 --> 01:30:12,036
counseling offices weren't for

2784
01:30:13,570 --> 01:30:13,820
further study and research in my

2785
01:30:15,353 --> 01:30:15,603
experience school counselor's

2786
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:16,320
responsibilities have changed

2787
01:30:17,553 --> 01:30:17,803
significantly since I was a

2788
01:30:19,320 --> 01:30:19,570
student counselors once focused

2789
01:30:20,036 --> 01:30:20,286
primarily on academic support,

2790
01:30:21,586 --> 01:30:21,836
credit completion and helping

2791
01:30:22,170 --> 01:30:22,420
students remain on track for

2792
01:30:24,020 --> 01:30:24,270
graduation today many counseling

2793
01:30:25,603 --> 01:30:25,853
offices appear to function as

2794
01:30:26,286 --> 01:30:26,536
places where students can

2795
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:27,870
express grievances about

2796
01:30:29,570 --> 01:30:29,820
parents, teachers and peers

2797
01:30:30,186 --> 01:30:30,436
while students should have

2798
01:30:31,586 --> 01:30:31,836
access to appropriate emotional

2799
01:30:33,336 --> 01:30:33,586
support schools must also help

2800
01:30:34,053 --> 01:30:34,303
students develop perseverance

2801
01:30:36,086 --> 01:30:36,336
perseverance resilience and the

2802
01:30:37,403 --> 01:30:37,653
ability to address challenges

2803
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:38,320
maturely.

2804
01:30:41,636 --> 01:30:41,886
then skipping down again

2805
01:30:43,320 --> 01:30:43,570
students should be encouraged to

2806
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:44,320
persevere overcome challenges,

2807
01:30:45,586 --> 01:30:45,836
think critically and meet

2808
01:30:46,103 --> 01:30:46,353
rigorous academic

2809
01:30:48,053 --> 01:30:48,303
expectations.stead some students

2810
01:30:50,070 --> 01:30:50,320
quickly learn to ask what are my

2811
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:52,070
options or what choices do I

2812
01:30:53,353 --> 01:30:53,603
have to avoid this assignment or

2813
01:30:55,370 --> 01:30:55,620
activity in many cases students

2814
01:30:55,986 --> 01:30:56,236
then bring these concerns to

2815
01:30:57,353 --> 01:30:57,603
counselors rather than

2816
01:30:57,903 --> 01:30:58,153
attempting to resolve them

2817
01:30:58,470 --> 01:30:58,720
appropriately

2818
01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:00,470
we must be careful not to create

2819
01:31:01,836 --> 01:31:02,086
a system in which students

2820
01:31:02,436 --> 01:31:02,686
receive special treatment simply

2821
01:31:03,586 --> 01:31:03,836
because they report discomfort

2822
01:31:05,570 --> 01:31:05,820
or dissatisfaction. the lack of

2823
01:31:06,236 --> 01:31:06,486
resilience among many students

2824
01:31:06,903 --> 01:31:07,153
is concerning

2825
01:31:09,586 --> 01:31:09,836
Teachers are also increasingly

2826
01:31:10,303 --> 01:31:10,553
subject to investigations based

2827
01:31:11,836 --> 01:31:12,086
on student reports sometimes

2828
01:31:13,603 --> 01:31:13,853
without the teacher's knowledge

2829
01:31:14,336 --> 01:31:14,586
in many school districts a

2830
01:31:15,570 --> 01:31:15,820
teacher's professional judgment

2831
01:31:17,336 --> 01:31:17,586
and account of an incident no

2832
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:18,170
longer received the same level

2833
01:31:19,570 --> 01:31:19,820
of credibility as a student's

2834
01:31:20,170 --> 01:31:20,420
report. This creates an

2835
01:31:21,803 --> 01:31:22,053
imbalance in which students and

2836
01:31:23,336 --> 01:31:23,586
teachers may be treated as

2837
01:31:23,936 --> 01:31:24,186
though they possess equal

2838
01:31:25,536 --> 01:31:25,786
authority and responsibility in

2839
01:31:26,203 --> 01:31:26,453
the classroom

2840
01:31:29,786 --> 01:31:30,036
and then lastly he closes

2841
01:31:31,803 --> 01:31:32,053
with these issues are

2842
01:31:33,553 --> 01:31:33,803
interconnected and require

2843
01:31:35,553 --> 01:31:35,803
attention from educators parents

2844
01:31:36,270 --> 01:31:36,520
administrators legislators and

2845
01:31:38,053 --> 01:31:38,303
community leaders schools cannot

2846
01:31:39,786 --> 01:31:40,036
address these challenges alone

2847
01:31:41,586 --> 01:31:41,836
meaningful improvement will

2848
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:43,570
require clear expectations,

2849
01:31:45,303 --> 01:31:45,553
consistent consequences parental

2850
01:31:46,036 --> 01:31:46,286
responsibility, appropriate

2851
01:31:47,570 --> 01:31:47,820
support for teachers and

2852
01:31:49,386 --> 01:31:49,636
policies that prioritize student

2853
01:31:50,053 --> 01:31:50,303
learning and school safety

2854
01:31:52,003 --> 01:31:52,253
and so I wanted to to thank

2855
01:31:55,370 --> 01:31:55,620
Mrerry for for putting doing

2856
01:31:56,036 --> 01:31:56,286
the work to put this together

2857
01:31:56,636 --> 01:31:56,886
one of the like I said read a

2858
01:31:58,020 --> 01:31:58,270
few excerpts but thank you

2859
01:32:01,320 --> 01:32:01,570
all everyone for for being

2860
01:32:01,870 --> 01:32:02,120
here thank you for your

2861
01:32:03,536 --> 01:32:03,786
attendance and your attention at

2862
01:32:06,003 --> 01:32:06,253
this study I think the the theme

2863
01:32:07,586 --> 01:32:07,836
that I've seen throughout the

2864
01:32:08,186 --> 01:32:08,436
the two studies that we've had

2865
01:32:09,586 --> 01:32:09,836
today related to discipline is

2866
01:32:11,620 --> 01:32:11,870
that it really does seem like

2867
01:32:13,336 --> 01:32:13,586
there's wide agreement that

2868
01:32:15,336 --> 01:32:15,586
discipline and order in the in

2869
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:17,570
the classroom is something that

2870
01:32:18,270 --> 01:32:18,520
needs to be addressed and so I

2871
01:32:19,403 --> 01:32:19,653
look forward to working with all

2872
01:32:20,070 --> 01:32:20,320
my colleagues

2873
01:32:23,303 --> 01:32:23,553
to come come with

2874
01:32:25,336 --> 01:32:25,586
solutions that support students

2875
01:32:26,053 --> 01:32:26,303
and teachers and administrators

2876
01:32:28,053 --> 01:32:28,303
and parents and ultimately

2877
01:32:30,053 --> 01:32:30,303
provide a positive educational

2878
01:32:31,553 --> 01:32:31,803
environment for all of our

2879
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:33,570
Oklahoma students because I know

2880
01:32:35,303 --> 01:32:35,553
that that's what we all want so

2881
01:32:36,036 --> 01:32:36,286
thank you all and turn it

2882
01:32:37,603 --> 01:32:37,853
back over to you Mr chairman

2883
01:32:38,220 --> 01:32:38,470
thank you representative Hall

2884
01:32:39,586 --> 01:32:39,836
thank you for bringing this

2885
01:32:40,186 --> 01:32:40,436
subject forward and thank you

2886
01:32:41,853 --> 01:32:42,103
Missre for being here I know

2887
01:32:43,586 --> 01:32:43,836
it's a long trip but we

2888
01:32:45,820 --> 01:32:46,070
appreciate that very much

2889
01:32:47,836 --> 01:32:48,086
without any further ado we will

2890
01:32:48,553 --> 01:32:48,803
adjourn. we'll be back here at

2891
01:32:49,403 --> 01:32:49,653
9:30 in the morning