1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:30,820 Good afternoon, everyone. We're in the House Committee on Health Care in the Great State of Oregon on Thursday, February 26th. It's a little after 3 p.m. Committee, we have two bills that we're going to work today. And I believe this will be our last meeting. Unless, oh, this is bad. That feels like sarcasm. Okay. We're going to start with Senate Bill 1568. I'm going to open a work session. 2 00:00:31,420 --> 00:00:33,100 Where we got? 3 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,160 Chair, Vice Chair. 4 00:00:36,260 --> 00:00:37,620 Members of the committee. 5 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:39,460 Senate Bill 1568 came. 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:40,860 Pardon me. 7 00:00:41,060 --> 00:00:41,780 Came to the committee. 8 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:43,900 From Senator Reynolds through the Senate. 9 00:00:44,140 --> 00:00:46,920 Early Committee on Early Childhood and Behavioral Health. 10 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:51,000 This measure had its public hearing on the 24th. 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,640 I believe that was Tuesday of this week. 12 00:00:52,780 --> 00:00:55,040 The measure as introduced or as. 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:55,940 With the eight. 14 00:00:56,100 --> 00:00:56,400 Pardon me. 15 00:00:56,580 --> 00:00:56,820 The aye. 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,340 And gross version of the measure makes changes to do it in lactation 17 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:03,000 Council are coverage for Medicaid and health benefit plans and establishes the Oregon 18 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,300 Paranatal Collaborative. 19 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,820 That makes changes to Medicaid coverage, directs OHA to define qualification criteria by 20 00:01:08,820 --> 00:01:14,100 rule for birth and postpartum dulas by January of 28, specifies coverage requirements. 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,300 It also does similar things for health benefit plan coverage. 22 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,040 These changes all apply to both by January 1st of 2028. 23 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:26,460 It establishes the Oregon Paranatal Collaborative at OHSU, the Oregon Health and Science University. 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,860 The measure received a vote of 22 eyes and six nays in the Senate. 25 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,480 There is an A3 amendment on Ollist for the committee's consideration. 26 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,700 That replaces the measure substantially similar what it does as makes some technical changes 27 00:01:40,700 --> 00:01:44,620 around statutes pertaining to traditional health workers and where those are situated within 28 00:01:44,620 --> 00:01:44,960 statute. 29 00:01:45,860 --> 00:01:51,580 With the A3 amendments, minimal fiscal statement has been issued by LFO and no revenue impact 30 00:01:51,580 --> 00:01:57,900 statement has been issued by LRO, and with that, the committee, if you so choose to adopt 31 00:01:57,900 --> 00:01:59,580 that amendment, consent the measure onto the floor. 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,980 Okay, represent Deal, can I get a motion please on the A3? 33 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:15,480 Chair Nose, I move that we adopt the A3 amendment, Senate Bill 1568A, amendment dated February 20, 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:24,500 2526. If I should do a monthly adoption in the dash A3 amendment dated February 2026, is there any discussion on the A3 amendment? 35 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:29,710 Not seen in it. Let's go ahead and call the roll. 36 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:39,520 Is she excused? 37 00:02:40,940 --> 00:02:41,440 Is she excused? 38 00:02:42,300 --> 00:02:42,520 Is she excused? 39 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,320 Is she excused? 40 00:02:44,900 --> 00:02:45,140 Hi. 41 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:49,040 Yes. 42 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,820 Are you sure Nelson? 43 00:02:51,540 --> 00:02:51,740 Hi. 44 00:02:52,980 --> 00:02:53,520 Here you are. 45 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,680 You know, so what's yes, the dash A3 is adopted, vice-tradio can get a motion on the bills and men of 46 00:02:59,500 --> 00:02:59,940 please. 47 00:03:00,620 --> 00:03:03,580 If you're on else, I remove that we, uh, 48 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:09,760 move Senate Bill 1568A as amended to the floor with a due pass recommendation. 49 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:15,760 Vice-tradio moves Senate Bill 1568A to the floor of the house of the due pass recommendation as amended, 50 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,340 is there any discussion on the bill as amended? 51 00:03:20,590 --> 00:03:22,190 I am not seeing any. 52 00:03:22,190 --> 00:03:26,630 Excited to see this go forward. Let's go ahead and call the roll. 53 00:03:27,950 --> 00:03:28,410 Yes. 54 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:31,430 Yes. 55 00:03:34,710 --> 00:03:35,630 Excuse. 56 00:03:41,490 --> 00:03:42,410 Yes. 57 00:03:45,110 --> 00:03:45,530 Yes. 58 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:51,710 I don't know. 59 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:54,530 is there a carrier for the bill that we know of? 60 00:03:55,510 --> 00:03:57,030 Is there a house sponsor? 61 00:03:58,170 --> 00:03:59,530 So, that question, that's good. 62 00:03:59,530 --> 00:03:59,790 No. 63 00:04:00,510 --> 00:04:01,510 Just shout it out. 64 00:04:01,950 --> 00:04:02,330 Just wait. 65 00:04:02,710 --> 00:04:02,850 Grabber. 66 00:04:03,250 --> 00:04:04,550 Grabber wants to do it. 67 00:04:05,870 --> 00:04:07,310 I heard somebody out there said it. 68 00:04:07,310 --> 00:04:08,870 Representative, grabber wants to carry the bill. 69 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:10,950 Yeah. 70 00:04:10,950 --> 00:04:11,450 Will that hurt? 71 00:04:11,490 --> 00:04:12,570 Will that represent a grabber? 72 00:04:12,770 --> 00:04:13,290 Be the carrier? 73 00:04:13,530 --> 00:04:21,050 Closing the work session on Senate Bill 1568A, opening a work session on Senate Bill 1558 74 00:04:21,050 --> 00:04:23,590 What have we got? 75 00:04:23,890 --> 00:04:27,950 Chair, Vice Chair, as members of the committee, Senate Bill 1598 came to the committee from 76 00:04:27,950 --> 00:04:30,430 Senator Reynolds by a way of the Senate Committee on Healthcare. 77 00:04:31,030 --> 00:04:36,090 The measure requires state-regulated health plans to cover specified preventive health 78 00:04:36,090 --> 00:04:41,210 services, including immunizations and authorizes the state public health officer to make recommendations 79 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:45,890 for services to be covered and to issue standing orders for providers to dispense drugs 80 00:04:45,890 --> 00:04:46,510 and devices. 81 00:04:47,290 --> 00:04:52,490 This requires health plans to cover preventive health services that are prescribed under federal 82 00:04:52,490 --> 00:04:58,010 public health authority as of July 30th, 2025, as well as preventive health services recommended 83 00:04:58,010 --> 00:05:01,030 by the State Public Health Officer, which include immunizations. 84 00:05:01,610 --> 00:05:05,510 It also permits the State Public Health Officer to issue recommendations for preventive 85 00:05:05,510 --> 00:05:10,510 services, including immunizations and specifies what should be considered when issuing 86 00:05:10,510 --> 00:05:16,770 those recommendations, and it directs the Oregon health authority to publish them to those recommendations 87 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:21,650 to their website. And specifies what information would be published there. It also permits 88 00:05:21,650 --> 00:05:26,110 the State Public Health Officer to issue or withdraw a standing order to prescribe a drug 89 00:05:26,110 --> 00:05:30,110 or device that would prevent mitigate or treat any significant public health concern. 90 00:05:30,390 --> 00:05:36,590 Simulates what would be considered and what the criteria are for your issuing the standing 91 00:05:36,590 --> 00:05:42,170 order and then stipulates that a standing order may not require a person to receive use 92 00:05:42,170 --> 00:05:44,150 or administer or withhold a drug or device. 93 00:05:45,330 --> 00:05:49,630 This past the Senate with a vote of 17 eyes and 11 nays. 94 00:05:50,210 --> 00:05:54,370 The measure, as introduced, has minimal fiscal impact and no revenue impact. 95 00:05:54,950 --> 00:05:56,670 There is a dash to amendment on oldest. 96 00:05:56,790 --> 00:05:59,230 You go ahead and explain it, because I feel like somebody wants to move. 97 00:05:59,350 --> 00:05:59,610 Okay. 98 00:05:59,750 --> 00:06:02,650 The dash to amendment was brought to the committee by Representative Deal. 99 00:06:02,650 --> 00:06:13,750 It would change that language around a standing order rather than saying it may not require a person to receive user administer a drug or a device or with hold a drug or device from a person. 100 00:06:13,970 --> 00:06:17,630 It changes that may to a shell and you do have paperwork for that as well. 101 00:06:17,850 --> 00:06:20,630 It's also minimal fiscal impact, you know revenue impact. 102 00:06:21,870 --> 00:06:24,110 Do you not believe I have anything else to say about this? 103 00:06:24,630 --> 00:06:26,350 Okay, represent do you want to go ahead and make a motion? 104 00:06:26,810 --> 00:06:28,470 Yes, Chair and I also I would like to 105 00:06:29,470 --> 00:06:37,010 little that we adopt the dash to a amendment dated February 25, 2026 to Senate Bill 1598. Vice-chair deal was the dash to 106 00:06:37,010 --> 00:06:46,430 Senate Bill 1598 dated February 25, 2026. Vice-chair deal was you like to talk a little bit about your amendment. Yes, basically it 107 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:48,990 provides assurances that 108 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:51,690 the public health officer 109 00:06:52,930 --> 00:06:53,370 Shellot 110 00:06:53,910 --> 00:06:54,350 mandate 111 00:06:56,830 --> 00:06:59,490 Show not mandate these drugs. 112 00:06:59,510 --> 00:07:00,010 The vaccines. 113 00:07:00,870 --> 00:07:02,370 Do you want to wax philosophical? 114 00:07:02,690 --> 00:07:03,170 Just to say. 115 00:07:03,250 --> 00:07:03,650 Let's wax philosophical. 116 00:07:03,990 --> 00:07:06,490 I'm why you want to go shallow as opposed to May. 117 00:07:07,350 --> 00:07:10,350 Because to the layperson, they mean different things. 118 00:07:10,750 --> 00:07:10,770 Okay. 119 00:07:10,790 --> 00:07:14,430 May not is not necessarily a prohibition. 120 00:07:15,810 --> 00:07:16,630 Well, yours may disagree. 121 00:07:16,750 --> 00:07:18,970 Based on the emails I saw earlier today. 122 00:07:19,810 --> 00:07:20,210 I do please. 123 00:07:20,650 --> 00:07:21,770 I do really clear. 124 00:07:22,010 --> 00:07:25,390 And we have had bills in here where we've changed May to Shell. 125 00:07:25,910 --> 00:07:29,350 I'm not sure if you don't may not and show them that's the difference. 126 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:37,120 All right. Okay. Committee? All right. I'm going to take the liberty since we kind of anticipate that this might happen. 127 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,500 And sort of preview that and then I'm going to invite legislative council to come forward. 128 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:57,940 So yesterday, in anticipation of this amendment, I checked in with the key sponsor of the bill. Senator Reynolds is the key sponsor, but this is a bill that comes to us via the governor's office. 129 00:07:59,060 --> 00:08:10,220 And the governor, based on conversation that they've had with legislative council, I'll let them explain it, they'll do it probably a better job than I would do. 130 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:23,280 Basically, have concluded that there's really no material difference in a may not or a shall not, and that the key word in those phrases is not the may or the shall, but the word not. 131 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,380 Am I getting this kind of, I'm gonna let you explain it a little bit better? 132 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:35,460 And so, colleagues, based on the feedback that I have from the sponsor of the bill and from the governor's staff, 133 00:08:36,220 --> 00:08:41,000 with all due respect to represent a deal, they would like us to not support this amendment, this change. 134 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:46,060 So, I'll let you sort of explain the LCP's amendment, and then we'll see if there's any questions from the committee. 135 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,320 Okay, I need to just yourself to the record. 136 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:53,520 Great, good afternoon to chair, no vice chair's deal and now some members of the committee. 137 00:08:53,940 --> 00:09:01,040 For the record, my name is Victor Ruther and I'm the legislative council attorney responsible for drafting this bill and the amendment. 138 00:09:02,860 --> 00:09:16,600 The question presented essentially is whether there's any legal distinction between the use of may not or versus shall not in subsection eight of section two of this bill. 139 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:26,600 The short answer is no, before dubbing into the details, I will acknowledge Representative 140 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Deals point that, as a matter of lay per people's interpretation, there is something 141 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,660 intuitively, locally distinct, shallow feels much more robust. 142 00:09:38,300 --> 00:09:44,800 But as a legal matter, which is what is relevant in this building, there is the terms 143 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:51,080 are substantive twins, a couple of bases for this determination or conclusion. 144 00:09:52,380 --> 00:10:00,320 There's an existing statute, or S174-100, which specifically expressly says, for the purposes 145 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:05,860 of the Oregon Revised statute, subject to exceptions that are not relevant here, shall 146 00:10:05,860 --> 00:10:12,780 not, and may not, are equivalent expressions of an absolute prohibition. 147 00:10:12,780 --> 00:10:23,020 So that's quite persuasive, a subsidiary foundation for my conclusion is that our legislative 148 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:30,700 council's bill drafting manual also addresses this topic reaches the same conclusion and 149 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:39,700 has articulated a strong preference for may not over shell not when imposing prohibition 150 00:10:39,700 --> 00:10:42,720 on action as is the case in Subsection 8. 151 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:50,280 So this is sort of the lawyerly consensus within our drafting department for how bills that are 152 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:55,700 expressing something negative, as you can't do it, you all prefer that we do it. 153 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:59,820 I only said it would be a teacher in college. 154 00:11:00,140 --> 00:11:02,660 Rosendeel is an engineer by training. 155 00:11:03,980 --> 00:11:07,480 I don't think we actually have any lawyers in this community yet. 156 00:11:07,820 --> 00:11:08,100 Yes. 157 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,740 Okay, thank you for that explanation. Why don't you stand by and see, is there any question from 158 00:11:12,740 --> 00:11:16,220 members of the community? Just a statement. Go ahead. Go in and deal. So may and 159 00:11:16,220 --> 00:11:21,100 shell mean different things, but may not and shell not mean the same thing. I mean, that's my 160 00:11:21,100 --> 00:11:24,560 sorry, I'm an engineer. That's my sort of colloquial understanding of it. 161 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:39,460 Correct. Yeah. All right. Okay. All right. There's a motion on the table. Can we get a 162 00:11:39,460 --> 00:11:40,720 then macron file? 163 00:11:42,180 --> 00:11:43,060 Excuse.igans. 164 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,000 else? No. 165 00:11:46,100 --> 00:11:46,980 stainless fans 166 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,850 no. A nice 167 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:52,910 chair deal yes. Nice chair 168 00:11:52,910 --> 00:11:55,210 Nelson. No. 169 00:11:55,470 --> 00:11:56,110 Your notes. 170 00:11:56,250 --> 00:11:56,950 бес Consort No. 171 00:11:57,650 --> 00:11:58,190 Then Mehment is 172 00:11:58,190 --> 00:12:00,370 not neuropapted. A spite of us 173 00:12:00,370 --> 00:12:01,930 not taking him moment. Lee smoothed the 174 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,790 bill. You don't have 175 00:12:03,790 --> 00:12:04,710 to. I'll get Nelson. 176 00:12:05,070 --> 00:12:05,790 I'm going to vote 177 00:12:05,790 --> 00:12:07,550 no, but I'll move it. That's right. Okay, 178 00:12:07,930 --> 00:12:08,950 respect for you. 179 00:12:09,010 --> 00:12:10,750 Go ahead. I appreciate that. 180 00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:09,350 Go ahead. 181 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:10,590 I appreciate that. 182 00:12:12,290 --> 00:12:19,030 Chair Nose, make a motion to move Senate Bill 1598 to the floor. 183 00:12:20,190 --> 00:12:22,410 With the do pass recommendation, although I'm voting no. 184 00:12:23,730 --> 00:12:29,650 Vice Chair, you'll move Senate Bill 1598 as not amended to the floor with the do pass 185 00:12:29,650 --> 00:12:32,630 recommendation, even in a place to vote no. 186 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:33,690 Is there any discussion? 187 00:12:33,930 --> 00:12:34,590 Represent gravity. 188 00:12:34,930 --> 00:12:35,610 Thanks, Chair. 189 00:12:36,250 --> 00:12:40,750 I had a thoughtful question come from a member of the public, and I 190 00:12:40,750 --> 00:12:45,970 I assume the other members of the public may also have the same question, and that question was. 191 00:12:46,450 --> 00:12:52,090 In the event that we have, if we were, if this law were in place, and this was 2020, 192 00:12:53,630 --> 00:13:00,230 and the governor issued an executive order requiring people to receive a vaccine in order 193 00:13:00,230 --> 00:13:07,530 to go into public space, certain public spaces, would this law have changed that? 194 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:09,890 Meaning, if this law weren't placed now, 195 00:13:10,750 --> 00:13:14,090 can the public health authority or officer say? 196 00:13:14,830 --> 00:13:15,750 There's a standing order. 197 00:13:15,910 --> 00:13:17,090 You must receive this vaccine, 198 00:13:17,310 --> 00:13:22,090 to go into a school or a public space, 199 00:13:22,630 --> 00:13:24,690 or are those two things separate? 200 00:13:24,810 --> 00:13:27,290 Yes, there's a standing order that you can receive a vaccine. 201 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:30,830 And now there's also this other thing on top of it, 202 00:13:30,950 --> 00:13:32,210 requiring you to have that vaccine 203 00:13:32,210 --> 00:13:33,170 to go in a certain space. 204 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:33,970 Does that make sense? 205 00:13:34,510 --> 00:13:35,650 I think I understand the question. 206 00:13:35,650 --> 00:13:38,250 I'm not prepared to give you an answer. 207 00:13:39,550 --> 00:13:51,110 I'm really hoping I think Dr. Dean Silinger is online and maybe he feels comfortable answering that question. Hopefully that too many advance. There he is. 208 00:13:51,250 --> 00:13:52,130 No, this is surprise. 209 00:13:53,570 --> 00:13:57,870 So, yes, say your name for the record Dr. Silinger. 210 00:13:57,870 --> 00:14:01,390 Jernos, Vice Chair's Members of the Committee, Dean Saadlinger, 211 00:14:01,750 --> 00:14:04,090 Health Officer, and State of Columbia, I'll just in Oregon. 212 00:14:05,450 --> 00:14:07,430 I can't completely answer that question. 213 00:14:07,690 --> 00:14:12,850 I think the Standing Order authority that you are voting on now 214 00:14:12,850 --> 00:14:17,270 would preclude that authority from being used to compel someone 215 00:14:17,270 --> 00:14:18,390 to get a vaccination. 216 00:14:19,170 --> 00:14:22,490 What happened during the COVID pandemic, 217 00:14:23,130 --> 00:14:25,770 when we had a state and emergency, 218 00:14:25,770 --> 00:14:31,370 see there are different authorities that both the governor has and that are conferred on the 219 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:42,530 H.A. That mandates to respond to COVID-19 or use and I don't think that this current bill 220 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:47,070 would interfere with those because it's a completely different authority. Thank you. 221 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:54,340 Okay, we're just going to do this. Thank you, Chair. So this just to clarify this bill does not 222 00:14:54,340 --> 00:14:59,980 grant you the authority to compel somebody, to get it back to get it back to you. 223 00:15:01,100 --> 00:15:12,120 That is my understanding and the understanding of, oh, H. A. I'm seeing ledge council nod. Do you want to get them up there for Bill Belt and Suspenders about it? Sure. Go ahead. 224 00:15:16,780 --> 00:15:21,680 For the record, Victor, Ruth, or Legislative Council, could you repeat the question? Go ahead, represent. 225 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:33,720 I, yeah, I'm just asking, there's nothing in this bill that would grant the public health office to to compel someone to take a vaccine. 226 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:39,320 that is correct okay I think that was a good question I'm glad you asked 227 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:45,500 it yeah okay are we ready to vote now go ahead and call the roll 228 00:15:51,530 --> 00:15:52,110 Yes. 229 00:15:52,730 --> 00:15:53,130 Yes. 230 00:15:53,130 --> 00:15:54,130 Is that an emergency fire? 231 00:15:54,490 --> 00:15:56,050 She's excused. 232 00:15:58,020 --> 00:15:58,260 Yes. 233 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:00,400 I apologize to Sam. 234 00:16:01,060 --> 00:16:01,220 Hi. 235 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,300 I scared you. 236 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:04,140 No. 237 00:16:05,900 --> 00:16:06,580 I scared you. 238 00:16:07,260 --> 00:16:07,840 Yes. 239 00:16:09,100 --> 00:16:09,820 You're not scared. 240 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:10,420 You're not scared. 241 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:11,260 You're not scared. 242 00:16:11,300 --> 00:16:11,720 You're not scared. 243 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,500 You're not scared. 244 00:16:19,180 --> 00:16:19,580 Yes. 245 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:20,960 You're not scared. 246 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:21,360 report. 247 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:22,840 Oh, let me know. 248 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:23,340 Right on. 249 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:24,300 Okay. 250 00:16:24,780 --> 00:16:25,560 Good to know. 251 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:33,580 Notice I'm going to already part of served, closing the work session on Senate Bill 1598. 252 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,000 Committee. 253 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:40,660 I'm sorry we haven't been able to get to various informationals that I had planned, because 254 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:47,380 you know, this is an overachiever committee, but given the sort of busyness of this session 255 00:16:47,380 --> 00:16:53,180 and the last minute changes to Community Schedule, we haven't been able to do that. 256 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:59,060 The next time we'll be together, we'll be in June, and we'll try to have some of the 257 00:16:59,060 --> 00:17:03,560 information that I had hoped we'd be able to have be part of that. 258 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:09,280 We'll also get an update on anything that's going on with HR1 implementation and anything 259 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:16,800 that's going on with implementation of the rural health grant that we heard about in December 260 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:24,120 in January. Other things too, maybe. But for sure we'll have a focus on that. It's been a 261 00:17:24,120 --> 00:17:32,140 pleasure serving with all of you. I think with that, I want to thank staff and the public. And we are adjourned.