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All members, please press the green button. If you're here. green button. If you're here. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 63 present. We do There are 63 present. We do have a quorum. All rise for the have a quorum.

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All rise for the invocation to be delivered by invocation to be delivered by Representative Geraldo from the Representative Geraldo from the city of Central Falls, who will city of Central Falls, who will also lead us in the Pledge of also lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. Rep. Senator Allegiance. Rep. Senator Geraldo, please. Geraldo, please. Thank you. Speaker.

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Almighty Thank you. Speaker. Almighty God, we ask for your blessing God, we ask for your blessing as we gather today. We pray for as we gather today.

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We pray for your guidance in the matters at your guidance in the matters at hand as we strive to make our hand as we strive to make our state a great place for all our state a great place for all our citizens. Amen. I pledge citizens. Amen. I pledge allegiance. allegiance.

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To the flag and our state, to To the flag and our state, to our God, and to the Republic our God, and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. liberty and justice for all. Thank you, representative. Is Thank you, representative.

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Is there any objection to the there any objection to the approval of the of the journal approval of the of the journal of the previous day? Hearing of the previous day? Hearing none so ordered. Clerk do we none so ordered. Clerk do we have any communications? have any communications? There are no communications. There are no communications. Speaker. Speaker. Thank you. Clerk.

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We are now on Thank you. Clerk. We are now on to new business. Is there any to new business. Is there any new business? Any new business? new business? Any new business? There is no new business. We There is no new business.

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We will go for an a special will go for an a special introduction for representative introduction for representative Tansy. Representative Tansy, Tansy. Representative Tansy, please. please. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to It gives me great pleasure to introduce my daughter, Delia. introduce my daughter, Delia.

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Um, many of you remember her, Um, many of you remember her, and you can stand remember her and you can stand remember her from when she was a teeny tiny from when she was a teeny tiny baby. And she used to join me baby.

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And she used to join me here at the state House and sit here at the state House and sit on my lap and attend meetings on my lap and attend meetings with me. And now here she is, a with me.

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And now here she is, a 20 year old, um, who's working 20 year old, um, who's working in town doing an internship, in town doing an internship, and she texted saying, I'm done and she texted saying, I'm done early. I said, swing on by. And early. I said, swing on by. And she actually did. So the she actually did. So the greatest honor to have her here greatest honor to have her here today.

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Welcome to the house, today. Welcome to the house, Delia. Delia. Thank you. Representative. So Thank you. Representative. So we are now on to the calendar. we are now on to the calendar. Clerk, please call the first Clerk, please call the first time. time. Item number one. Number 8437. Item number one. Number 8437. Chair. Casey, please.

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Chair. Casey, please. Thank you. Speaker house. Bill Thank you. Speaker house. Bill 8437 is by chairman McNamara. 8437 is by chairman McNamara. This changes a tax exemptions This changes a tax exemptions to tax credits in the city of to tax credits in the city of Cranston. There's a resolution Cranston. There's a resolution from the council.

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I move from the council. I move passage. passage. Chair Casey moves passage of Chair Casey moves passage of the act I seconded by leader the act I seconded by leader Kazarian. Representative Lima, Kazarian. Representative Lima, the act has been moved and the act has been moved and seconded. There are no lies.

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seconded. There are no lies. Clerk, please unlock the Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative vote red. Representative Sanchez, please vote. Sanchez, please vote. Representative votes, please Representative votes, please vote.

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Senator Roberts, please vote. Senator Roberts, please vote. Clerk. Please lock the vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine. There are 69 favor, machine. There are 69 favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item, item two, number Next item, item two, number 7079. 7079. Sub chair McEntee, please. Sub chair McEntee, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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House Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Bill 7079 comes to us from Bill 7079 comes to us from Representative Craven. It's an Representative Craven. It's an act relating to criminal act relating to criminal procedure, expungement of procedure, expungement of criminal records. This act criminal records.

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This act would permit those individuals would permit those individuals convicted of multiple felonies convicted of multiple felonies and misdemeanors to have their and misdemeanors to have their records expunged and provide records expunged and provide criteria for the court to criteria for the court to consider in determining whether consider in determining whether the person is of good the person is of good character.

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This act allows for character. This act allows for the expungement of less than the expungement of less than five felony convictions, except five felony convictions, except for crimes of violence or other for crimes of violence or other prohibited offenses, which are prohibited offenses, which are like crimes of violence, like crimes of violence, domestic violence, and drunk

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domestic violence, and drunk driving. Driving. Um. The driving. Driving. Um. The requirements of this act to requirements of this act to expunge multiple felonies are expunge multiple felonies are fewer than five. Felony fewer than five.

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Felony conviction has not been conviction has not been convicted of a crime of convicted of a crime of violence or other prohibited violence or other prohibited offenses. As to as described on offenses. As to as described on page two, lines five through 25 page two, lines five through 25 is a domestic violence or drunk is a domestic violence or drunk driving conviction are not driving conviction are not eligible.

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They have to wait 15 eligible. They have to wait 15 years after complete completion years after complete completion of the sentence, and it is up of the sentence, and it is up to the judge judges discretion to the judge judges discretion to allow the expungement. They to allow the expungement.

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They cannot have a previous cannot have a previous expungement and or have been expungement and or have been convicted of the felonies which convicted of the felonies which you are trying to expunge. The you are trying to expunge.

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The rationale is that when you rationale is that when you receive the expungement, you receive the expungement, you have made an implied promise to have made an implied promise to the court that you are the court that you are rehabilitated and won't commit rehabilitated and won't commit further crimes. The statute can further crimes. The statute can be can only be used once in a be can only be used once in a lifetime.

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This is a good bill, lifetime. This is a good bill, Mr. Speaker. I move passage. Mr. Speaker. I move passage. Chair McKinney moves passage of Chair McKinney moves passage of the act I seconded by Leader the act I seconded by Leader Kazarian, and we will use the Kazarian, and we will use the green button on this.

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If you'd green button on this. If you'd like to second the act, please like to second the act, please use the green button. There are use the green button. There are 24 seconds. Clerk please unlock 24 seconds. Clerk please unlock the machine. Please lock the the machine. Please lock the machine. There are 24 seconds.

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machine. There are 24 seconds. The act is moved and seconded. The act is moved and seconded. Representative Cruz, please. Representative Cruz, please. The speaker at the appropriate The speaker at the appropriate time. I have a floor amendment time. I have a floor amendment to introduce. to introduce. Please proceed. Please proceed. LC 0038879.

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LC 0038879. Representative Cruz moves LC Representative Cruz moves LC 0038879. That is seconded by 0038879. That is seconded by Representative Felix. Representative Felix. Explanation, please. Explanation, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I want to thank of all, I want to thank Chairman Craven.

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Uh, also, my Chairman Craven. Uh, also, my colleague, Representative colleague, Representative Felix, um, some of the Felix, um, some of the advocates, Anthony, some of the advocates, Anthony, some of the senators who work really hard senators who work really hard with this amendment that I'm with this amendment that I'm introducing here on the floor

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introducing here on the floor today. I want to thank you for today. I want to thank you for those long hours putting it in those long hours putting it in and really meeting and and really meeting and discussing and compromising on discussing and compromising on that.

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As many, you know, I, I that. As many, you know, I, I am a strong believer in second am a strong believer in second chances for your chances, and chances for your chances, and I'm hoping that I'm hoping that unintentionally, with this unintentionally, with this amendment, we can open the door

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amendment, we can open the door to to more to try to have a to to more to try to have a fair opportunity. So with that, fair opportunity. So with that, I'll just explain what this I'll just explain what this amendment, um, it striking amendment, um, it striking language on page two, line 16.

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language on page two, line 16. So for this, this one and I'll So for this, this one and I'll go through and explain this go through and explain this first one, this is a concern first one, this is a concern for me. One, because this is for me. One, because this is something that's very broad.

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something that's very broad. Child neglect under our statute Child neglect under our statute covers a wide variety of covers a wide variety of things. Okay. And it could be things. Okay.

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And it could be rooted in poverty, mental rooted in poverty, mental health, substance use and many health, substance use and many other things I worked within a other things I worked within a family visiting program for family visiting program for more than ten years. And I got more than ten years. And I got to tell you, we've come a long to tell you, we've come a long way with our DCF system. But way with our DCF system.

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But ten, 15, 20 years ago, there ten, 15, 20 years ago, there were many families, majority were many families, majority women who got this neglect women who got this neglect charged because they didn't charged because they didn't have enough money for food in have enough money for food in their fridge, because they their fridge, because they didn't have housing and lived

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didn't have housing and lived in a car because they might in a car because they might have had substance use have had substance use disorder. So I want to stress, disorder. So I want to stress, right, there are other right, there are other prohibited offenses on here for prohibited offenses on here for child abuse.

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Brendan's law and child abuse. Brendan's law and other things. But this one is other things. But this one is such a wide, wide one and I such a wide, wide one and I think it's worthy of judicial think it's worthy of judicial discretion, which was the main discretion, which was the main intent of this legislation,

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intent of this legislation, that we opened the door for that we opened the door for more judicial discretion for more judicial discretion for our families. And again, I have our families. And again, I have to stress, this is a majority to stress, this is a majority of women.

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So could honestly be of women. So could honestly be deemed as discriminatory deemed as discriminatory against women because, you against women because, you know, when when we speak about know, when when we speak about the arc of redemption, it the arc of redemption, it really bows a different way really bows a different way when we talk about women and

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when we talk about women and mothers. They should have known mothers. They should have known better. They women are smarter, better. They women are smarter, right? But we don't think about right? But we don't think about the Teen Mom who struggled in the Teen Mom who struggled in poverty, who 20, 25 years ago

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poverty, who 20, 25 years ago because this this bill, you because this this bill, you would have to wait 15 plus that would have to wait 15 plus that sentence. And in Rhode Island, sentence.

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And in Rhode Island, we have an 8 to 10 year average we have an 8 to 10 year average in probation. We're talking 20, in probation. We're talking 20, 25, even 30 years ago, we're 25, even 30 years ago, we're under a flawed system. And under a flawed system.

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And we've done so much great work we've done so much great work recently that may have been recently that may have been charged with this, that we charged with this, that we would look at it today and say, would look at it today and say, no, why would that be? So? I no, why would that be? So? I think it's very worthy that think it's very worthy that it's something that has

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it's something that has judicial discretion. Again, judicial discretion. Again, this doesn't guarantee it comes this doesn't guarantee it comes off in an expungement. This is off in an expungement. This is leaving it open for judicial leaving it open for judicial discretion. That's what this discretion. That's what this First Amendment does.

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So I First Amendment does. So I wanted to really, really, wanted to really, really, really explain that one. The really explain that one. The second one is striking line 20, second one is striking line 20, which is weapons. That is also which is weapons. That is also a very, very broad category.

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If a very, very broad category. If you look up the statute, it's you look up the statute, it's not just guns. It goes to kung not just guns. It goes to kung fu art style. It goes to fu art style.

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It goes to Chinese stars, it goes to brass Chinese stars, it goes to brass knuckles, it goes to nunchucks. knuckles, it goes to nunchucks. We can think of a knife that We can think of a knife that the public defender in, in the the public defender in, in the hearing brought up that any hearing brought up that any knife inadvertently you carried

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knife inadvertently you carried over three inches could now be over three inches could now be something that does not have something that does not have the ability to go before a the ability to go before a judge just to hear judicial judge just to hear judicial discretion about expunging it.

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discretion about expunging it. So this was brought up by many So this was brought up by many individuals as a concern. Many individuals as a concern. Many attorneys reached out to me. attorneys reached out to me. This was this was the big This was this was the big concern.

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Again, prohibiting it concern. Again, prohibiting it on a prohibited list that on a prohibited list that doesn't doesn't exist. Right doesn't doesn't exist. Right now. We're creating a new now. We're creating a new statute. But saying what's statute.

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But saying what's worthy of not or what is coming worthy of not or what is coming before a judge for judicial before a judge for judicial discretion, I think it's discretion, I think it's important that we allow that, important that we allow that, especially when the intent of especially when the intent of this legislation was just that, this legislation was just that, um, there is some language um, there is some language that's stricken on page three,

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that's stricken on page three, lines 24 to 25. Again, we've lines 24 to 25. Again, we've met with many legal scholars. I met with many legal scholars. I know I had the Professor know I had the Professor Horowitz at the Roger Williams Horowitz at the Roger Williams University.

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We worked on that University. We worked on that and other individuals I know we and other individuals I know we discussed it with the Senate discussed it with the Senate with this side. This language with this side. This language can be very, um, confusing. can be very, um, confusing. Could actually have an Could actually have an unintended consequence.

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From unintended consequence. From that bill, maybe even impacting that bill, maybe even impacting first time offenders, which we first time offenders, which we do not want to do. And it was do not want to do. And it was deemed unnecessary. So if it's deemed unnecessary. So if it's that that we clean it up.

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So that that we clean it up. So it's really a clean up language it's really a clean up language does not change that intent of does not change that intent of the bill. And the other the bill.

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And the other amendment that I wanted to talk amendment that I wanted to talk about in this floor amendment about in this floor amendment was also changing the way we was also changing the way we calculate right now. We we have calculate right now. We we have a 15 year plus 8 to 10. That's a 15 year plus 8 to 10. That's 25 even more depending on 25 even more depending on whatever probation you had.

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whatever probation you had. This is to start to count the This is to start to count the time at the date of imposition. time at the date of imposition.

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I provided this because there I provided this because there are bills moving our way that are bills moving our way that are trying to do that in our are trying to do that in our other chamber, but also we other chamber, but also we talked about it with others and talked about it with others and that we start to align that we start to align ourselves with the rest of the ourselves with the rest of the country.

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As far as the wait country. As far as the wait time, we wait for someone to time, we wait for someone to get a fear or second chance for get a fear or second chance for non-violent convictions. Again, non-violent convictions. Again, these are nonviolent these are nonviolent convictions that we're asking convictions that we're asking to get expunged.

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And so with to get expunged. And so with this, there are states like this, there are states like Washington state that have Washington state that have unlimited amount of felonies. unlimited amount of felonies.

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After eight years, there are After eight years, there are states who it's ten years after states who it's ten years after the date of conviction here in the date of conviction here in Rhode Island, because the Rhode Island, because the majority are the date after majority are the date after conviction of ten years here. conviction of ten years here.

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Rhode Island, we not only wait Rhode Island, we not only wait ten years, we as a legislative ten years, we as a legislative body, arbitrarily decide ten body, arbitrarily decide ten more years, 15 more years. Hey, more years, 15 more years. Hey, let's throw 20 more years. And let's throw 20 more years. And the argument for second chances the argument for second chances for your chances.

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is thank you, for your chances. is thank you, is to have housing and is to have housing and employment. And what kind of employment. And what kind of job are you going to get at 60 job are you going to get at 60 years old? Because and that's years old? Because and that's what that's about.

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So thank what that's about. So thank you, Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, representative chair Thank you, representative chair McEntee, please. McEntee, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I rise in opposition to this in opposition to this amendment, and we're going to amendment, and we're going to break this up into four parts break this up into four parts to give a few of us to talk a to give a few of us to talk a chance to talk about it. I'm chance to talk about it. I'm going to talk about eliminating, going to talk about eliminating, uh, page two.

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Line 161195, uh, page two. Line 161195, cruelty or neglect of a child. cruelty or neglect of a child. I just want to read from the I just want to read from the statute so everybody knows what statute so everybody knows what we're talking about here. Every we're talking about here.

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Every person having the custody or person having the custody or control of any child under the control of any child under the age of 18 years, who shall age of 18 years, who shall abandon that child, or who abandon that child, or who shall treat the child with shall treat the child with gross or habitual cruelty, or

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gross or habitual cruelty, or who shall wrongfully cause or who shall wrongfully cause or permit that child to be a permit that child to be a habitual sufferer for want of habitual sufferer for want of food, clothing, proper care or food, clothing, proper care or oversight, or who shall use or

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oversight, or who shall use or permit the use of that child permit the use of that child for every for any wanton, cruel for every for any wanton, cruel or improper purpose, purpose, or improper purpose, purpose, or who shall compel, cause or or who shall compel, cause or permit that child to do any

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permit that child to do any wanton or wrongful act, or who wanton or wrongful act, or who shall cause or permit the home shall cause or permit the home of that child to be the resort of that child to be the resort of lewd, drunken, wanton, or of lewd, drunken, wanton, or dissolute persons, or who

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dissolute persons, or who shall, by reason of neglect, shall, by reason of neglect, cruelty, drunkenness, or cruelty, drunkenness, or depravity, shall render the depravity, shall render the home of that child a place in home of that child a place in which it is unfit for the child

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which it is unfit for the child to live, or who shall neglect to live, or who shall neglect or refuse to pay the reasonable or refuse to pay the reasonable charges for support of that charges for support of that child. Just this definition child. Just this definition alone should offend you.

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It alone should offend you. It should say to you, what did we should say to you, what did we do yesterday? We're protecting do yesterday? We're protecting children against pedophiles. children against pedophiles. This includes child This includes child trafficking. This includes just trafficking.

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This includes just leaving your kid anywhere leaving your kid anywhere outside in a car, hungry, outside in a car, hungry, without a home. Uh, many without a home. Uh, many things. We've all seen it things. We've all seen it before. We've all seen it. before. We've all seen it. Anybody who's walked into Anybody who's walked into family court sees the DCF family court sees the DCF calendar.

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There's a lot of calendar. There's a lot of abuse and neglect that goes on. abuse and neglect that goes on. If you reach the level of this, If you reach the level of this, it should not be considered an it should not be considered an expunged offense. So, Mr. expunged offense. So, Mr.

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Speaker, I start with that and Speaker, I start with that and I'm going to defer to Rep I'm going to defer to Rep Knight on line, page two, line Knight on line, page two, line 20, chapter 47 of title 11 20, chapter 47 of title 11 weapons.

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And at the end, I'll weapons. And at the end, I'll show us that we don't vote for show us that we don't vote for this. this. Thank you. Chair McCarty. Thank you. Chair McCarty. Representative Knight, please. Representative Knight, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I rise in strong opposition to this in strong opposition to this amendment, and I think for the amendment, and I think for the body to understand this body to understand this amendment and the bill that amendment and the bill that we're trying to amend, you need we're trying to amend, you need an overall framework.

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The an overall framework. The expungement law that we have on expungement law that we have on the books today. You can think the books today. You can think of it like a house. It allows of it like a house.

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It allows certain people to expunge your certain people to expunge your criminal record after a certain criminal record after a certain period of time, if they meet period of time, if they meet certain criteria. That law has certain criteria.

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That law has been constructed painstakingly been constructed painstakingly over the last few decades, over the last few decades, particularly in the last 10 or particularly in the last 10 or 15 years, as the General 15 years, as the General Assembly has become more Assembly has become more sensitive to the millstone that sensitive to the millstone that can be around a person's neck, can be around a person's neck, who has a criminal record. But who has a criminal record.

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But in fact has rehabilitated in fact has rehabilitated themselves but cannot get rid themselves but cannot get rid of the record. So we made of the record. So we made changes. In the past, we changes. In the past, we allowed for multiple allowed for multiple misdemeanor expungement. We misdemeanor expungement.

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We allowed for automatic sealing allowed for automatic sealing of dismissals despite, you of dismissals despite, you know, we got rid of fees to know, we got rid of fees to apply for this and this bill apply for this and this bill before you today looked at the before you today looked at the House, Bob Craven basically House, Bob Craven basically looked at the House and said,

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looked at the House and said, you know what we can do? We can you know what we can do? We can do a renovation and add, uh, do a renovation and add, uh, add an addition to the house add an addition to the house without changing the original without changing the original one.

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So the bill before you one. So the bill before you today, big picture, we're today, big picture, we're looking about adding on to the looking about adding on to the statute, not changing what's statute, not changing what's there, but adding a new class there, but adding a new class of offender who may be eligible

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of offender who may be eligible for expungement. And so this for expungement. And so this brings me to this amendment. brings me to this amendment. This amendment has a lot in it. This amendment has a lot in it. And, um, chair McEntee And, um, chair McEntee addressed the child abuse part.

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addressed the child abuse part. And but basically what you have And but basically what you have to think about in this law that to think about in this law that we're proposing today is for we're proposing today is for the person who may have the person who may have multiple felonies, and you can

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multiple felonies, and you can think kind of low level think kind of low level offenses. We're getting give offenses. We're getting give them a shot. Whereas under the them a shot. Whereas under the existing law they have no shot. existing law they have no shot. But we want a cabinet.

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We want But we want a cabinet. We want to be careful about it and to be careful about it and balance public safety with the balance public safety with the need for rehabilitation and need for rehabilitation and give the judges the tools they give the judges the tools they need to discern between the

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need to discern between the two. So the reason why this two. So the reason why this statute has other prohibited statute has other prohibited offenses besides crimes of offenses besides crimes of violence, such as child violence, such as child endangerment, is because the endangerment, is because the committee thought that if

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committee thought that if somebody has multiple criminal somebody has multiple criminal contacts that has resulted in contacts that has resulted in multiple felony convictions, if multiple felony convictions, if there is a victim involved, there is a victim involved, then perhaps they are not then perhaps they are not worthy of expungement.

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Under worthy of expungement. Under our current practice because our current practice because they're dangerous, because they're dangerous, because they've engaged in bad behavior they've engaged in bad behavior and been convicted for it. Not and been convicted for it. Not once, not but twice, or perhaps once, not but twice, or perhaps more.

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But there's some low more. But there's some low level things that we're okay level things that we're okay with giving the judge with giving the judge permission, discretion to take permission, discretion to take a look at. So when it comes to a look at.

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So when it comes to this amendment, it tries to this amendment, it tries to upset this entire addition. It upset this entire addition. It tries to change the foundation tries to change the foundation of this addition. When we're of this addition. When we're talking about weapons. Right. I talking about weapons. Right. I will remind you that.

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1147 the will remind you that. 1147 the entire chapter is mostly about entire chapter is mostly about guns prohibited people from guns prohibited people from holding those weapons. It's got holding those weapons. It's got the assault weapons ban in the assault weapons ban in there.

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It's got the storage ban there. It's got the storage ban in there. It's got the high in there. It's got the high capacity magazine. It's got the capacity magazine. It's got the domestic abuser. The entire domestic abuser. The entire statute under this amendment is statute under this amendment is exempted.

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All the proponent of exempted. All the proponent of the amendment Rep Cruz talked the amendment Rep Cruz talked about was throwing stars, about was throwing stars, concealed weapons, concealed concealed weapons, concealed hand weapons, brass knuckles, hand weapons, brass knuckles, that sort of thing. That is one that sort of thing.

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That is one section in a chapter that has section in a chapter that has 64 subsections having to do 64 subsections having to do with the most dangerous conduct with the most dangerous conduct under our criminal law. But the under our criminal law.

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But the amendment would just wipe that amendment would just wipe that out, say, judge, don't pay out, say, judge, don't pay attention to that. We need you attention to that. We need you to grant that expungement. Um, to grant that expungement. Um, that is a reason alone to get that is a reason alone to get rid of it.

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Um, I can go on to rid of it. Um, I can go on to the time. All right. And I'll the time. All right. And I'll yield. yield. Thank you. Representative Thank you. Representative night. Representative Dawson, night. Representative Dawson, please. please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I also rise in strong opposition to rise in strong opposition to this amendment. Looking at what this amendment. Looking at what we're going through here, the we're going through here, the additions of the guardrails, if additions of the guardrails, if you will, regarding the, um, you will, regarding the, um, potential for someone getting a

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potential for someone getting a big break, a big break that big break, a big break that doesn't exist right now. doesn't exist right now. People. I'm one of the few People.

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I'm one of the few people I think Representative people I think Representative Night that worked in courtroom Night that worked in courtroom nine and dealt with probation nine and dealt with probation violators pretty much violators pretty much exclusively for the better part exclusively for the better part of five years. I've had it come of five years.

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I've had it come in where an older gentleman in where an older gentleman will come in or and want to get will come in or and want to get a lengthy, uh, criminal record a lengthy, uh, criminal record expunged. And legally, you expunged. And legally, you can't do it. And it's can't do it. And it's unfortunate. I think he's unfortunate. I think he's worried about getting into worried about getting into heaven, frankly. But, um, the.

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heaven, frankly. But, um, the. You don't have an avenue to do You don't have an avenue to do that. So luckily, uh, that. So luckily, uh, Representative Craven has Representative Craven has decided to have a little fix in decided to have a little fix in that.

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And as to the amendment, that. And as to the amendment, there were 15 additional there were 15 additional additional, um, crimes that are additional, um, crimes that are going to prohibit this new gift going to prohibit this new gift that the state of Rhode Island that the state of Rhode Island is about to give these folks.

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is about to give these folks. And for the exception of one And for the exception of one well, all of them really the well, all of them really the thing they have in common is thing they have in common is they all have victims. The part they all have victims. The part of the judicial system.

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I think of the judicial system. I think a lot of people forget about is a lot of people forget about is the fact that every one of the fact that every one of these things we're looking at these things we're looking at somebody, a victim. I'm going somebody, a victim.

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I'm going to quickly tell a quick story to quickly tell a quick story about the last one driving about the last one driving under the influence, resulting under the influence, resulting in death. Um, during my time at in death. Um, during my time at the AG's office, I was liaison the AG's office, I was liaison to East Providence Police.

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I to East Providence Police. I had to go to every murder they had to go to every murder they had and every death. So I've had and every death. So I've been to the scene where some been to the scene where some things like this are done.

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I've things like this are done. I've been to a scene where a mother been to a scene where a mother driving her son home from a driving her son home from a football practice, and I'm not football practice, and I'm not going to use the name right now

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going to use the name right now just sitting at a stoplight. just sitting at a stoplight. Got hammered by by a drunk Got hammered by by a drunk driver. Kill the mother. Sent driver. Kill the mother.

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Sent the boy through the window and the boy through the window and gave him permanent brain gave him permanent brain damage. As we sit here now, damage. As we sit here now, that person would not be in a that person would not be in a trial, but that person got a trial, but that person got a lengthy prison sentence and an lengthy prison sentence and an more lengthy probation.

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The more lengthy probation. The thing about things like that is thing about things like that is it ruined that family. It it ruined that family. It ruined the husband and ruined ruined the husband and ruined the brothers and sisters. And the brothers and sisters.

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And the one thing those people had the one thing those people had going for them was a catharsis. going for them was a catharsis. At the end, after we won the At the end, after we won the trial and after Judge Kraus trial and after Judge Kraus sent the man to the longest sent the man to the longest sentence in a DWI, death ever,

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sentence in a DWI, death ever, they had catharsis. They know they had catharsis. They know that it's over. My my dead wife that it's over. My my dead wife and my injured son got some and my injured son got some justice. Rhode Island folks, justice.

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Rhode Island folks, has an extensive as has an extensive as representative. And I said. representative. And I said. Legislation involving Legislation involving expungement. We're one of the expungement. We're one of the best there is. I think there best there is.

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I think there are 13 states in the United are 13 states in the United States that have no I know States that have no I know Idaho was one of them. Uh, they Idaho was one of them. Uh, they don't allow any expungement at don't allow any expungement at all. We bend over backwards. all. We bend over backwards.

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This body has bent over This body has bent over backwards as I'm not going to backwards as I'm not going to repeat what somebody else says. repeat what somebody else says. But there's a reason why this But there's a reason why this new gift, this, that, that new gift, this, that, that people with long records can, people with long records can, can get rid of has some

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can get rid of has some guardrails because victims had guardrails because victims had their time in court and deserve their time in court and deserve to know that this person gets to know that this person gets to live with the sentence for to live with the sentence for the rest of their lives.

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Thank the rest of their lives. Thank you. you. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Craven, please. Representative Craven, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Um. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Um. I'll take 30s. I'll take 30s. To tell the members of this To tell the members of this body where this idea came from.

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body where this idea came from. Uh, one of my dearest friends Uh, one of my dearest friends that I knew from a my that I knew from a my prosecutor days that later took prosecutor days that later took the bench and just recently the bench and just recently retired a couple of months ago,

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retired a couple of months ago, Melanie family, Edie Booth Melanie family, Edie Booth Thunberg. I used to kid her. Thunberg. I used to kid her. I've known her by more names I've known her by more names than any other woman in my than any other woman in my life. Um, wonderful woman.

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And life. Um, wonderful woman. And I came into a courtroom, and I came into a courtroom, and the fun thing was, she never the fun thing was, she never called me Bob. She called me called me Bob. She called me Bobby. Bobby, how can I help Bobby.

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Bobby, how can I help you? And I talk about an you? And I talk about an expungement, and she say, you expungement, and she say, you know this person? I take your know this person? I take your word for it. This person must word for it. This person must be a good person. If you think be a good person. If you think that that's the case.

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But that that's the case. But unfortunately, the General unfortunately, the General Assembly has not allowed me to Assembly has not allowed me to do this. So if you could do me do this.

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So if you could do me a favor and have the General a favor and have the General Assembly give me the power and Assembly give me the power and the discretion, then I would be the discretion, then I would be able to do this. That's the able to do this. That's the genesis of this. All the genesis of this. All the current expungement is by current expungement is by right.

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This is by discretion of right. This is by discretion of the court, and it involves the court, and it involves multiple felonies which didn't multiple felonies which didn't exist at all. So I want to exist at all. So I want to address myself to line four. address myself to line four.

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Excuse me, page four, line five Excuse me, page four, line five and six, by saying that this and six, by saying that this amendment says, uh, delete the amendment says, uh, delete the language of completion of the language of completion of the last sentence. You got multiple last sentence. You got multiple sentences up to four.

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You'd sentences up to four. You'd have to complete that last have to complete that last sentence. And the request is to sentence. And the request is to insert the language imposition insert the language imposition of their last sentence. Or if of their last sentence.

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Or if the sentence is greater than 15 the sentence is greater than 15 years, then when the person, years, then when the person, uh, the person may file for uh, the person may file for expungement upon successful expungement upon successful completion of their sentence, completion of their sentence, there is nothing in the there is nothing in the expungement statute.

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64 in expungement statute. 64 in number as Representative Night number as Representative Night just indicated. That says you just indicated. That says you don't have to wait until you don't have to wait until you after you complete your after you complete your sentence so that you have a sentence so that you have a period of good time.

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You show period of good time. You show that you mean what you say when that you mean what you say when you ask that your record be you ask that your record be expunged. This would have it expunged. This would have it been done immediately upon been done immediately upon completion of a sentence.

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I completion of a sentence. I don't think that's appropriate. don't think that's appropriate. And ironically, I think it And ironically, I think it would have a negative impact on would have a negative impact on the court because if it is the court because if it is discretionary, one of the

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discretionary, one of the factors is how have you done factors is how have you done when you've been out on your when you've been out on your own, separate and apart from own, separate and apart from the sentence? Uh, so as a the sentence? Uh, so as a result, I would I would oppose

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result, I would I would oppose this amendment to the bill and this amendment to the bill and ask you to pass it in its ask you to pass it in its original form. And I will tell original form.

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And I will tell you that my understanding is you that my understanding is that the Senate will adopt the that the Senate will adopt the same as as I proposed. And that same as as I proposed.

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And that way we can constructively make way we can constructively make a law that will help people as a law that will help people as opposed to not being able to opposed to not being able to match bills. And therefore we match bills. And therefore we wouldn't have. We would be wouldn't have. We would be wasting our time now. Thank you wasting our time now. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative. Tansy, please.

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Representative. Tansy, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was excited to vote for this bill excited to vote for this bill and I understood the concerns and I understood the concerns that were brought up by Rep that were brought up by Rep Cruz and Committee.

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And my Cruz and Committee. And my understanding was that we were understanding was that we were negotiating a way to make this, negotiating a way to make this, um, so that we weren't um, so that we weren't punishing people for things punishing people for things that really are out of their

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that really are out of their control. And I'll explain what control. And I'll explain what I mean. It was said today that I mean. It was said today that these are not victimless, these are not victimless, victimless crimes, but we have victimless crimes, but we have to stop saying that poverty is

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to stop saying that poverty is a crime. I mean, it is a crime. a crime. I mean, it is a crime. It's a crime against those It's a crime against those children. But it's not the children. But it's not the fault of the parent per se.

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So fault of the parent per se. So we talk about neglect. That's we talk about neglect. That's very different than cruelty. very different than cruelty. And the statute that chairwoman And the statute that chairwoman McEntee read. Yeah, it's really McEntee read. Yeah, it's really hard to argue. Right.

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Some of hard to argue. Right. Some of those things sound really those things sound really awful, but the ones that stick awful, but the ones that stick with me are the food, the with me are the food, the clothing and the shelter. Those clothing and the shelter. Those are neglect. It's not cruelty.

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are neglect. It's not cruelty. That's not necessarily a That's not necessarily a choice. And I wish there was a choice. And I wish there was a way that we could isolate those way that we could isolate those simple acts out of this bill simple acts out of this bill and give judges the discretion.

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and give judges the discretion. I understand it's incredibly I understand it's incredibly distasteful, right? It's really distasteful, right? It's really hard to sit with the thought of hard to sit with the thought of someone purposefully and someone purposefully and cruelly punishing their child, cruelly punishing their child, opening up their home to all of

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opening up their home to all of the things that were talked the things that were talked about. Right? But when someone about. Right? But when someone can't feed their child. I just can't feed their child.

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I just think that the judge should think that the judge should have the ability to make those have the ability to make those determinations. And I wish that determinations. And I wish that there had been a way that we there had been a way that we could have come together, um, could have come together, um, to find a way to really stop to find a way to really stop punishing poverty the way that

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punishing poverty the way that we are. Thank you. we are. Thank you. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Stewart, please. Representative Stewart, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question. a question.

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A question for the sponsor of A question for the sponsor of the amendment that's the amendment that's Representative Cruz. Representative Cruz. Um, actually, a question about Um, actually, a question about the the bill and some of the the the bill and some of the remarks that were made a moment remarks that were made a moment ago from Representative Knight ago from Representative Knight and Dawson.

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and Dawson. I it's it's not on the bill. I it's it's not on the bill. It's on the amendment or on the It's on the amendment or on the amendment right now. amendment right now. Okay. So I have to hold those Okay. So I have to hold those questions. questions. Okay. That's right.

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Because Okay. That's right. Because that's on the legislation. that's on the legislation. Thank you, Representative Cruz, Thank you, Representative Cruz, for the second time. for the second time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, I Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I, I want to first say I'm just so want to first say I'm just so glad we're having this glad we're having this conversation and we're talking conversation and we're talking about fair chances and even about fair chances and even considering it. So I want to considering it.

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So I want to say that and again, working for say that and again, working for weeks to look at a way to to be weeks to look at a way to to be told the same day it's being told the same day it's being heard that the things we worked heard that the things we worked on is very frustrating to be on on is very frustrating to be on this floor.

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And I heard some this floor. And I heard some comments about these are not comments about these are not victimless crimes. I got to victimless crimes. I got to argue, you know, possession of argue, you know, possession of an object without being used. an object without being used. But possession only is is.

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And But possession only is is. And I think if we want to do better I think if we want to do better when we write legislation, we when we write legislation, we can be more specific. Yes. The can be more specific. Yes. The majority of that statute on majority of that statute on weapons is guns.

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But to be weapons is guns. But to be specific, make it only specific, make it only felonies. Be specific. It's felonies. Be specific. It's guns. But then when you start guns.

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But then when you start to throw a wide net, this is to throw a wide net, this is when we get victims of when we get victims of injustice. This is when we get injustice. This is when we get people's lives turned upside people's lives turned upside down. And that's why we as down. And that's why we as legislators need to be more legislators need to be more thoughtful. The same discussion thoughtful.

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The same discussion we're having here around we're having here around poverty. And yes, I've watched poverty. And yes, I've watched 15, 20 years ago where a worker 15, 20 years ago where a worker would walk in, open that door would walk in, open that door if there's not food. You had if there's not food. You had neglect.

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Did that mean that neglect. Did that mean that child get taken away? No, child get taken away? No, actually, they still have the actually, they still have the child. So it's kind of child.

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So it's kind of interesting that same statute, interesting that same statute, it's wide and I'm not arguing it's wide and I'm not arguing every part of it, but I'm every part of it, but I'm arguing that if we're going to arguing that if we're going to throw a wide net, then we need throw a wide net, then we need discretion or else we're going

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discretion or else we're going to have to narrow it down with to have to narrow it down with all the things I heard was DUI all the things I heard was DUI death resulting, that's already death resulting, that's already prohibited. That's not what prohibited. That's not what this is doing.

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I lost my niece this is doing. I lost my niece at 16 to a DUI drunk driver. I at 16 to a DUI drunk driver. I get it, that is not what this get it, that is not what this amendment is doing. So I heard amendment is doing.

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So I heard a lot of those things that a lot of those things that don't apply to this amendment. don't apply to this amendment. But I want to get back and But I want to get back and focused on what this is about. focused on what this is about. And this is about judicial And this is about judicial discretion.

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This is about a discretion. This is about a list that is prohibiting, list that is prohibiting, right. Certain offenses in a right. Certain offenses in a wide manner that can be harmful wide manner that can be harmful and unintentionally impact and unintentionally impact people. And that's all this is.

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people. And that's all this is. I heard if they do it over and I heard if they do it over and over again, this could be over again, this could be somebody who had a neglect somebody who had a neglect charge for not being able to charge for not being able to afford food, not having

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afford food, not having suitable housing. So they were suitable housing. So they were staying in a car. I've watched staying in a car. I've watched these things happen. One of these things happen.

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One of those charges, in addition to those charges, in addition to the other three, which could be the other three, which could be shoplifting twice in their shoplifting twice in their life, that now becomes a felony. life, that now becomes a felony. Right? There it is. This isn't Right? There it is. This isn't about career criminals or about career criminals or anything. These are about anything.

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These are about certain convictions that certain convictions that actually are about poverty and actually are about poverty and things, everyday life. And I things, everyday life. And I know people are listening to me know people are listening to me say, yes, I know someone that say, yes, I know someone that this happened to.

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I know this happened to. I know someone who got stopped in someone who got stopped in their car and there was a their car and there was a possession of, say, nunchucks. possession of, say, nunchucks.

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And they got that charge right, And they got that charge right, because they didn't have money because they didn't have money for an attorney. They didn't for an attorney. They didn't have a reason or a way to get have a reason or a way to get it off. So now we're saying it off. So now we're saying they're locked out. I'm just they're locked out.

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I'm just saying, again, this is about we saying, again, this is about we have statutes that are so broad have statutes that are so broad and wide that we need to really and wide that we need to really think about being more think about being more intentional of really narrowing intentional of really narrowing down that language, or else

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down that language, or else giving judges discretion to giving judges discretion to read and look at it themselves. read and look at it themselves.

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So I just wanted to address So I just wanted to address some of that, and I really hope some of that, and I really hope people could join in supporting people could join in supporting this amendment in any form or this amendment in any form or fashion, just to make sure fashion, just to make sure there aren't unintentional there aren't unintentional consequences. Thank you, Mr. consequences. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. Thank you. Representative Thank you. Representative leader Kazarian, please.

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leader Kazarian, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this amendment in opposition to this amendment and I want to say it is no and I want to say it is no reflection of the sponsor. The reflection of the sponsor.

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The sponsor is passionate about sponsor is passionate about this issue. She has worked this issue. She has worked diligently on this issue. But I diligently on this issue. But I rise in opposition because of rise in opposition because of the content of this amendment. the content of this amendment.

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This amendment would allow This amendment would allow people who are convicted to me, people who are convicted to me, of the most heinous crimes, who of the most heinous crimes, who are convicted of multiple are convicted of multiple felony convictions for cruelty felony convictions for cruelty and neglect of children, to be and neglect of children, to be able to get an expungement

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able to get an expungement after 15 years. I think this is after 15 years. I think this is maybe something we can talk maybe something we can talk about and we can look into. But about and we can look into.

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But for now, for right now, I just for now, for right now, I just don't think that that is don't think that that is appropriate. There are appropriate. There are situations that have been situations that have been brought up on the floor that, brought up on the floor that, you know, could be discussed. you know, could be discussed.

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But again, for those other But again, for those other types of of things that could types of of things that could have happened, for them to have happened, for them to automatically get an automatically get an expungement, I just don't think expungement, I just don't think it's appropriate. So again, it's appropriate.

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So again, I'll be voting no on this I'll be voting no on this amendment and I join you, or I amendment and I join you, or I ask you all to join me and do ask you all to join me and do the same. Thank you. the same. Thank you. Thank you. Leader. Thank you. Leader. Representative handy, please.

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Representative handy, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm still uncertain about the still uncertain about the amendment, but. But if I could amendment, but. But if I could ask a question of the sponsor ask a question of the sponsor of the amendment for a second.

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of the amendment for a second. Um, Rep Cruz, the, um, Um, Rep Cruz, the, um, yesterday we had a, I think an yesterday we had a, I think an important bill that talked, important bill that talked, talked about extending the talked about extending the statute of limitations on child

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statute of limitations on child abuse. And one of the areas of abuse. And one of the areas of that we decided not to address that we decided not to address was because we felt comfortable was because we felt comfortable with judicial review. Can you with judicial review.

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Can you talk about what you've seen in talk about what you've seen in terms of what judicial review terms of what judicial review could be in this category? When could be in this category? When we're talking about it, the we're talking about it, the difference between judicial difference between judicial review again and what we're review again and what we're talking about right here, and

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talking about right here, and how that would parse out, I how that would parse out, I want to make sure we're want to make sure we're comparing yesterday and today a comparing yesterday and today a little bit as well. little bit as well. Thank you. Well, the sponsor Thank you. Well, the sponsor amendment Leo Julia.

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amendment Leo Julia. Thank you. And thank you for Thank you. And thank you for that question. So again we're that question. So again we're not an automatic expungement not an automatic expungement state right. Judicial review. state right. Judicial review.

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When you have a record you go When you have a record you go in first place. You have to in first place. You have to prove of good moral character. prove of good moral character. You have to prove you've done You have to prove you've done things. You have to present things. You have to present yourself right.

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Where if this yourself right. Where if this type of conviction, just like type of conviction, just like as in yesterday, you would have as in yesterday, you would have to be be go before that judge to be be go before that judge and they would review all of and they would review all of these things.

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They would look these things. They would look at what type of crime that was, at what type of crime that was, what was it entailed of. They what was it entailed of.

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They could see the wide variety could see the wide variety within that statute and say, within that statute and say, you know what? Some of the you know what? Some of the heinous part of that that heinous part of that that examples they gave, they could examples they gave, they could say, oh no, no, no, but but say, oh no, no, no, but but then they could say, well, you then they could say, well, you lived in your car.

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And you know lived in your car. And you know what? They used to charge that what? They used to charge that back then and I don't feel back then and I don't feel right. And so they can we do right. And so they can we do not have an automatic not have an automatic expungement state. We don't.

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expungement state. We don't. You have to go through many, You have to go through many, many like obstacles and you many like obstacles and you have to prove yourself to a have to prove yourself to a judge. Right. And they have to judge. Right. And they have to decide that.

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So one of the decide that. So one of the things is we block out child things is we block out child abuse in this statute. We we we abuse in this statute. We we we block out endangerment from block out endangerment from getting that judicial review. getting that judicial review.

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We block out anything where We block out anything where there's a victim of a minor of there's a victim of a minor of a criminal offense. Right. So a criminal offense. Right.

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So the difference here, and I hope the difference here, and I hope I'm answering some of your I'm answering some of your question, is they have to go question, is they have to go through a judicial review. I through a judicial review. I mean, chair McEntee explained mean, chair McEntee explained what the process in this bill, what the process in this bill, they have to go through. So they have to go through.

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So it's not automatic if it's it's not automatic if it's taken off this list, they still taken off this list, they still have to do what everyone else have to do what everyone else has to do in. They have to go has to do in.

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They have to go before a judge and they have to before a judge and they have to prove they're of good moral prove they're of good moral character. So I just I hope character. So I just I hope that answers. If you have a that answers. If you have a follow up to that. Um, but follow up to that. Um, but thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Slater, please. Representative Slater, please. Thank you. Speaker. Um, I just Thank you. Speaker. Um, I just want to address this amendment. want to address this amendment.

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I don't think, represent I I don't think, represent I think representative, I know think representative, I know Representative Cruz intentions Representative Cruz intentions are good and well and are good and well and well-meaning, but the well-meaning, but the unintended consequences that we unintended consequences that we have of this amendment is we've have of this amendment is we've been kicking this a bill around been kicking this a bill around for a while and for many years

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for a while and for many years now, multiple felonies. There's now, multiple felonies. There's not an avenue for folks to get not an avenue for folks to get those expunged, whether they're those expunged, whether they're covered in this amendment. covered in this amendment.

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There's a lot of folks that There's a lot of folks that reached out to me, that are reached out to me, that are constituents that will get constituents that will get relief from this bill right relief from this bill right now. And unfortunately, in this now.

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And unfortunately, in this building, well, we've got to building, well, we've got to stop doing right is we have to stop doing right is we have to stop comparing it to what we stop comparing it to what we want. I have pieces of want.

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I have pieces of legislation I put in all the legislation I put in all the time that I want that, that I time that I want that, that I would like when I first got up would like when I first got up here, I put in bills for here, I put in bills for expungement, my bills for expungement, my bills for expungement said there was no expungement said there was no you could expunge anything and

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you could expunge anything and everything. My bill said like everything. My bill said like no time limit, whatever the no time limit, whatever the crime was, right? People used crime was, right? People used to say to me, what are you? Are to say to me, what are you? Are you out of your mind? You're

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you out of your mind? You're crazy, right? And I was doing crazy, right? And I was doing it for a while and I and I kept it for a while and I and I kept putting it in. Right. But I was putting it in. Right.

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But I was getting no relief for the getting no relief for the constituents that would call me constituents that would call me right now. This bill, as is, right now.

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This bill, as is, will provide relief for many of will provide relief for many of our citizens, many of my our citizens, many of my constituents that have been constituents that have been begging me, and I hope to begging me, and I hope to provide that relief. And it's provide that relief. And it's already passed on the Senate. already passed on the Senate. This amendment right now. They This amendment right now.

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They won't take it up over there, won't take it up over there, unfortunately. I mean, maybe we unfortunately. I mean, maybe we don't maybe we don't take that don't maybe we don't take that into consideration. But I think into consideration.

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But I think sometimes compromise on many sometimes compromise on many pieces of legislation I've pieces of legislation I've worked on in this building worked on in this building that's that's essential to that's that's essential to getting it done, whether it be getting it done, whether it be with the Senate, the governor with the Senate, the governor or other or our colleagues. or other or our colleagues.

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It's important that we move the It's important that we move the we move this forward. We give we move this forward. We give people, people an avenue to people, people an avenue to expunge some of these, expunge some of these, especially drug related crimes especially drug related crimes that people find that have that people find that have ruined their life.

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They can't ruined their life. They can't find employment, they can't find employment, they can't find housing. This bill right find housing. This bill right now will help those folks. It now will help those folks.

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It provides a whole new category, provides a whole new category, and it doesn't affect what we and it doesn't affect what we have right now. As far as with have right now. As far as with expungement, those people will expungement, those people will still be able to expunge after still be able to expunge after ten years. Or multiple ten years. Or multiple misdemeanors.

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After five years, misdemeanors. After five years, that will still be in place. that will still be in place. This provides a new category. This provides a new category. If we pass this, I just believe If we pass this, I just believe that this will kill this bill. that this will kill this bill.

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And I believe many of my And I believe many of my constituents will not get the constituents will not get the relief that they need. That's relief that they need. That's why I will vote this. No, why I will vote this. No, nothing against the sponsor. nothing against the sponsor.

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This is why I'm going to be This is why I'm going to be voting this down is because I voting this down is because I want to provide relief to my want to provide relief to my constituents right now. Thank constituents right now. Thank you. you. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Sanchez, please. Representative Sanchez, please. Thank you. Speaker.

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Um, I'm in Thank you. Speaker. Um, I'm in support of this amendment. support of this amendment. Before anything, I just want to Before anything, I just want to put it out there on the record put it out there on the record that there are those of us who

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that there are those of us who do not want to see more people do not want to see more people locked up in jail, in prison, locked up in jail, in prison, who are always supporting who are always supporting legislation. I would like to to legislation.

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I would like to to thank and believe that I try my thank and believe that I try my best. I give all my capacity, best. I give all my capacity, my strength to vote for pieces my strength to vote for pieces of legislation that minimize of legislation that minimize the mass incarceration, state. the mass incarceration, state. Uh, statistics and evidence.

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I Uh, statistics and evidence. I always support legislation that always support legislation that doesn't create barriers, that doesn't create barriers, that doesn't create roadblocks for doesn't create roadblocks for people to stay in jail. And I people to stay in jail.

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And I want to see as much as we can want to see as much as we can and policy in this House. and policy in this House. Representatives that keeps Representatives that keeps people out of jail and in people out of jail and in prison. So. With that being prison. So.

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With that being said, Representative Cruz, all said, Representative Cruz, all of you know. Has been a fierce of you know. Has been a fierce fighter since her time here in fighter since her time here in the House of Representatives, the House of Representatives, fighting for the right causes, fighting for the right causes, for the right things, fighting

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for the right things, fighting for people. Hell, sometimes I for people. Hell, sometimes I tell myself, Rep Cruz fights tell myself, Rep Cruz fights harder than, fights harder, and harder than, fights harder, and supports people harder than I supports people harder than I do.

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And I, and I admit it, do. And I, and I admit it, that's how much I've seen Rep that's how much I've seen Rep Cruz fight for people, for Cruz fight for people, for working people in the state of working people in the state of Rhode Island. She means well. Rhode Island. She means well.

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She always fights for the right She always fights for the right causes. And I know she knows causes. And I know she knows what she's talking about when what she's talking about when it comes to policies like it comes to policies like these. I know, and I'm not these.

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I know, and I'm not saying I'm not trying to say my saying I'm not trying to say my colleagues in here who oppose colleagues in here who oppose this amendment don't do the this amendment don't do the same. I know we all fight for same. I know we all fight for our communities. I'll give our communities. I'll give credit to that.

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But the credit to that. But the specific the the specific specific the the specific issues with this bill is that issues with this bill is that this bill, without this this bill, without this amendment does make it harder amendment does make it harder for what does expand the for what does expand the timeline that individuals have

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timeline that individuals have to wait to get their records to wait to get their records expunged from 10 to 15 years expunged from 10 to 15 years after completing their last after completing their last sentence? Okay, this bill sentence? Okay, this bill without this amendment also has without this amendment also has a long list of specific felony

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a long list of specific felony offenses that would be entirely offenses that would be entirely ineligible for expungement. ineligible for expungement. Now, I would have to go and and Now, I would have to go and and read those specific details read those specific details myself.

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I can't name them off myself. I can't name them off the bat. So I just want to the bat. So I just want to mention that. And also this mention that. And also this bill without the amendments bill without the amendments would wash out the whole would wash out the whole arguments around employment. arguments around employment.

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What is a big problem for What is a big problem for individuals that come out of individuals that come out of the ACI or out of prison? Out the ACI or out of prison? Out of jail? Uh, it's a finding an of jail? Uh, it's a finding an opportunity for an employment opportunity for an employment that's a big problem, a huge

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that's a big problem, a huge problem that I've seen. And problem that I've seen. And I've witnessed a lot of I've witnessed a lot of residents, constituents with residents, constituents with their family members when they their family members when they come out of jail for prison, come out of jail for prison, they have a hard time finding

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they have a hard time finding employment. They have to do a employment. They have to do a lot more, uh, share more lot more, uh, share more personal information. They have personal information. They have to write records, they have to to write records, they have to pay more.

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They have to do a pay more. They have to do a bunch of stuff. It's harder for bunch of stuff. It's harder for people to get a job after, um, people to get a job after, um, coming out of prison. They see. coming out of prison. They see. So.

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We have to be careful what So. We have to be careful what we do with this bill. This bill we do with this bill. This bill has long term, has short term has long term, has short term and long term consequences. and long term consequences. Yes. We have to pass the bill.

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Yes. We have to pass the bill. Yes, we have to get things Yes, we have to get things done. Yes. We've been waiting a done. Yes. We've been waiting a long time. But if we don't, if long time.

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But if we don't, if we're not careful how we carve we're not careful how we carve the language of bills like the language of bills like these, we may get these, we may get systematically a lot more systematically a lot more difficult for individuals in difficult for individuals in the long run. And that's what the long run.

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And that's what Representative Cruz and some of Representative Cruz and some of those, some of those who those, some of those who support the amendments have a support the amendments have a hard time supporting this bill hard time supporting this bill without the amendments. It's without the amendments. It's very personal. It's very, very very personal.

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It's very, very personal because I have friends personal because I have friends and supporters and family and supporters and family members and people I know who members and people I know who come in and out, out of the ACI come in and out, out of the ACI and other jail time, prison and other jail time, prison times, myself. I'm not perfect.

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times, myself. I'm not perfect. I've made mistakes. I admit I've made mistakes. I admit it's I've made mistakes. I'm it's I've made mistakes. I'm not perfect. I'm paying. I'm not perfect. I'm paying. I'm paying those consequences. I'm paying those consequences. I'm moving forward. We're working moving forward. We're working hard 30s.

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We're all human hard 30s. We're all human beings, whatever. But but when beings, whatever. But but when it comes to legislation like it comes to legislation like this, we have to serve our this, we have to serve our communities and we have to be communities and we have to be public servants for the people

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public servants for the people that we're serving. So I hope I that we're serving. So I hope I made myself clear. Please made myself clear. Please support this amendment. Do the support this amendment. Do the right thing. Let's get things right thing.

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Let's get things done and let's help our done and let's help our communities out. Thank you. communities out. Thank you. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Lima, please. Representative Lima, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I just have one quick question to have one quick question to Chairman Slater because he said Chairman Slater because he said something that I'm not sure the something that I'm not sure the answer. I just wanted to verify answer. I just wanted to verify I commit a felony today. I have I commit a felony today. I have to wait ten years. Correct. You to wait ten years. Correct. You had said that.

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had said that. I rep Lima. We it's on the I rep Lima. We it's on the amendment. So, uh. amendment. So, uh. But he was talking about that But he was talking about that on. on. The amendment. The sponsor is The amendment. The sponsor is Representative Cruz. Yeah. Representative Cruz. Yeah. So you can.

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So you can. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. So I commit a felony Okay. So I commit a felony today. I have to wait the ten today.

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I have to wait the ten years if the legislation years if the legislation passes, do I fall under the new passes, do I fall under the new regulations of 15 years and I'm regulations of 15 years and I'm set back seven years? set back seven years? I believe this is on the it's I believe this is on the it's not on the amendment. This is not on the amendment.

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This is on the the bill, the on the the bill, the underlying. underlying. All right. I'll wait for the All right. I'll wait for the bill. bill. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Senator Lombardi, please. Senator Lombardi, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you. The previous thank you.

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The previous speakers were talking about the speakers were talking about the bill and not the amendment. So bill and not the amendment. So I thank you for that, uh, for I thank you for that, uh, for stepping up and letting us stepping up and letting us know.

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I myself, I also want to know. I myself, I also want to thank a rep Cruz. She has been thank a rep Cruz. She has been a passionate, stalwart advocate a passionate, stalwart advocate for this. She's been working for this.

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She's been working day and night for the last 3 or day and night for the last 3 or 4 weeks. And I'll tell you, I, 4 weeks. And I'll tell you, I, I just don't understand. But I just don't understand. But I'm trying to talk about the I'm trying to talk about the amendment in the amendment amendment in the amendment only.

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And I think she hit a only. And I think she hit a very salient point. That is very salient point. That is many times a single parent, an many times a single parent, an individual, may have other individual, may have other issues. They may have children. issues. They may have children.

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I've got clients like this, and I've got clients like this, and they may have substance abuse, they may have substance abuse, whether it be drugs, alcohol, whether it be drugs, alcohol, they may have some, uh, they may have some, uh, something wrong mentally, something wrong mentally, psychologically, whatever it psychologically, whatever it may be.

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Um, and in many may be. Um, and in many instances, some of these people instances, some of these people have been abused themselves, have been abused themselves, uh, abused by their boyfriend, uh, abused by their boyfriend, their, their husband, their their, their husband, their significant other, whatever it significant other, whatever it may be.

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And I have to say, may be. And I have to say, because it could be both, but, because it could be both, but, uh, and yes. What we're doing uh, and yes. What we're doing is we've created more barriers, is we've created more barriers, and this neglect can be and this neglect can be interpreted in so many ways.

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interpreted in so many ways. And yes, someone made the And yes, someone made the reference about judges. I've, reference about judges. I've, it's I've been called to the it's I've been called to the carpet by judges. Give us the carpet by judges. Give us the power.

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Well, there are judges power. Well, there are judges that do have the power. They do that do have the power. They do take that power. And I like take that power. And I like that. So my concern is that if that.

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So my concern is that if we don't pass this, there are we don't pass this, there are people going to fall into this people going to fall into this abyss, this category, that they abyss, this category, that they will never, ever, ever be able will never, ever, ever be able to expunge their record unless to expunge their record unless we change it again.

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And that's we change it again. And that's right. People cannot wait. But right. People cannot wait. But to put five more years on and to put five more years on and to include other problems to include other problems again, I don't want to talk again, I don't want to talk about that.

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I will talk about about that. I will talk about it after what I think this is, it after what I think this is, is it's an exception which is is it's an exception which is swallowing the rule dilemma. swallowing the rule dilemma. That's what I think this is. That's what I think this is. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative Thank you. Representative Felix. Please. Felix. Please. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the I rise in support of the amendment, and I want to thank, amendment, and I want to thank, uh, Rep Cruz. Excuse me.

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I want uh, Rep Cruz. Excuse me. I want to thank Rep Cruz for for the to thank Rep Cruz for for the hard work that she has put, as hard work that she has put, as my colleague said, to be able my colleague said, to be able to come through this amendment

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to come through this amendment as well as Rep Craven, I don't as well as Rep Craven, I don't think that folks know. So for think that folks know.

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So for the last couple of weeks, we the last couple of weeks, we have been working with Craven have been working with Craven to be able to come up with to be able to come up with these amendments, to be able to these amendments, to be able to address some of the concerns address some of the concerns that we have regarding this that we have regarding this bill, because, as you all know, bill, because, as you all know, we've had gone have had to go

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we've had gone have had to go through the expungement through the expungement process. And it's a very process. And it's a very important issue, not only for important issue, not only for ourselves, but also the folks ourselves, but also the folks that we serve.

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And while yes, I that we serve. And while yes, I want to acknowledge that this want to acknowledge that this bill does go further than what bill does go further than what we currently have, it does not we currently have, it does not mean that it is a perfect bill

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mean that it is a perfect bill and we have the power in this and we have the power in this room to be able to shape that, room to be able to shape that, to improve the legislation. to improve the legislation. What this amendment does, I'll What this amendment does, I'll buy it may be not perfectly.

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buy it may be not perfectly. It's addressed those concerns, It's addressed those concerns, and I want to go through some and I want to go through some of the amendments that have of the amendments that have been proposed. Uh, rep night been proposed. Uh, rep night talked about the weapons talked about the weapons section. Yes.

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The weapons section. Yes. The weapons section in the statute is a section in the statute is a very broad statue. However, very broad statue. However, folks, if you have if you just folks, if you have if you just came out of your construction came out of your construction job, assuming you work in

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job, assuming you work in construction and you just construction and you just happen to have a three inch happen to have a three inch knife in your pocket and you knife in your pocket and you get stopped by a police get stopped by a police officer, you can get charged

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officer, you can get charged under the weapon statute for under the weapon statute for being in possession of a knife being in possession of a knife or a blade that's more than or a blade that's more than three inches. In that scenario, three inches.

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In that scenario, if the legislation passes if the legislation passes without the amendment, that without the amendment, that individual would be barred, individual would be barred, completely barred, no completely barred, no discretion from being able to discretion from being able to get an expungement. And it get an expungement. And it happens on a daily basis.

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You happens on a daily basis. You can call the center for can call the center for justice, Rhode Island Legal justice, Rhode Island Legal Services, or any practitioner Services, or any practitioner and will tell you that is the and will tell you that is the case.

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So what we're asking is case. So what we're asking is make sure that if this is not make sure that if this is not the intent of the legislation, the intent of the legislation, that you fix it. Right. What is that you fix it. Right.

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What is judicial discretion? Judicial judicial discretion? Judicial discretion accords the judge discretion accords the judge the freedom of choices in areas the freedom of choices in areas unharmed or unhindered by legal unharmed or unhindered by legal rules, by statutes. It gives rules, by statutes. It gives them the discretion to act. The them the discretion to act.

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The legislation, as it is written, legislation, as it is written, does not grant judges does not grant judges discretion. As soon as the discretion. As soon as the statute appears in front of a statute appears in front of a judge. Point blank period, they judge. Point blank period, they are not eligible for are not eligible for expungement.

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For multiple expungement. For multiple felonies. Under the felonies. Under the legislation. So that's the legislation. So that's the first thing. The second thing first thing. The second thing is the child endangerment. We is the child endangerment.

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We heard a lot about parents who heard a lot about parents who are severely abusing their are severely abusing their child, their child and who are. child, their child and who are. I'm going to ask my colleagues, I'm going to ask my colleagues, if you may please, out of if you may please, out of respect, if you may lower your respect, if you may lower your voices so that we can continue

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voices so that we can continue to have this. Thank you, Mr. to have this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate you. The Speaker. I appreciate you. The other issue that was brought up other issue that was brought up by my colleagues is the child by my colleagues is the child endangerment.

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And yes, though endangerment. And yes, though there are heinous crimes and there are heinous crimes and offenses against children under offenses against children under that statue, but was also under that statue, but was also under that statue, as my colleague that statue, as my colleague mentioned, is someone leaves mentioned, is someone leaves their child in the car while

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their child in the car while they go pump gas, while they go they go pump gas, while they go inside the gas station, they inside the gas station, they can be charged under the can be charged under the statute, which means again, statute, which means again, this person, without judicial this person, without judicial discretion, would be

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discretion, would be permanently barred. How do they permanently barred. How do they have other felonies from being have other felonies from being able to expunge that? Why? able to expunge that? Why? Because it falls within that Because it falls within that section.

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So what are we saying? section. So what are we saying? We're not saying that these are We're not saying that these are not heinous crimes, or we're not heinous crimes, or we're not saying that these are not not saying that these are not difficult charges. What we're difficult charges.

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What we're saying is take it out of the saying is take it out of the prohibited list because, as I prohibited list because, as I stated, if they're on the stated, if they're on the prohibited list, the judge has prohibited list, the judge has no discretion to to look at the no discretion to to look at the facts within a case and say,

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facts within a case and say, yes, we are we can we can yes, we are we can we can expunge this. We're saying, expunge this. We're saying, take it away from that statue. take it away from that statue.

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Leave the judge with Leave the judge with discretion, and don't prohibit discretion, and don't prohibit a person simply by having that a person simply by having that section of the law as a charge section of the law as a charge from being prohibited from from being prohibited from getting an expungement. getting an expungement. The 30s representative 30s. The 30s representative 30s. Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you so much, Mr. Speaker. And what I'll say in general And what I'll say in general is, as I mentioned, we worked is, as I mentioned, we worked really hard to be able to come really hard to be able to come up and try to address the

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up and try to address the concerns that have been brought concerns that have been brought up by the advocates in terms of up by the advocates in terms of this bill and these these this bill and these these amendments came from that. So amendments came from that.

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So it's really disappointing to it's really disappointing to hear folks talk about as though hear folks talk about as though this is an unfriendly amendment this is an unfriendly amendment and have not been worked and have not been worked together collaboratively to be together collaboratively to be here.

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And Rep Craven can let here. And Rep Craven can let you know the many times that you know the many times that we've met to address this. It's we've met to address this.

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It's a shame that the Senate does a shame that the Senate does not want to do this bill, and not want to do this bill, and hence why we have it this way. hence why we have it this way. But what I would say is don't But what I would say is don't put people in a blank bucket. put people in a blank bucket.

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Just give people a chance, Just give people a chance, remove these offenses from remove these offenses from them, give them the opportunity them, give them the opportunity to bleed their case before a to bleed their case before a judge and get these these cases judge and get these these cases expunged. Thank you, Mr. expunged. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. Thank you. Representative.

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Thank you. Representative. Representative Potter, please. Representative Potter, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is not often that I disagree with not often that I disagree with Representative Cruz, especially Representative Cruz, especially on matters of criminal justice on matters of criminal justice reform.

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I have a great deal of reform. I have a great deal of respect for her and all of the respect for her and all of the effort that she's put into effort that she's put into these issues. But I rise in these issues.

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But I rise in opposition to the amendment, opposition to the amendment, and I rise in really strong and I rise in really strong support of the bill. And I want support of the bill. And I want to begin by saying this is a to begin by saying this is a gigantic step forward for gigantic step forward for criminal justice reform. I want criminal justice reform.

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I want to respond to a couple of the to respond to a couple of the things that I heard just to things that I heard just to offer, hopefully some clarity offer, hopefully some clarity and to make sure that my and to make sure that my position on why I'm going to position on why I'm going to vote no on this amendment is

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vote no on this amendment is clear, and why I'm going to be clear, and why I'm going to be voting in support of the bill voting in support of the bill is also clear. First, anybody is also clear.

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First, anybody who is currently eligible for who is currently eligible for an expungement will still be an expungement will still be eligible tomorrow. If this bill eligible tomorrow. If this bill becomes a law. So we are not becomes a law. So we are not taking away anybody's ability. taking away anybody's ability. Representative Sanchez said. Representative Sanchez said. We're expanding the timeline. We're expanding the timeline.

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We are not expanding a We are not expanding a timeline. We are creating a new timeline. We are creating a new timeline for a new category of timeline for a new category of eligible expungement. We're not eligible expungement. We're not wiping out offenses. As he wiping out offenses.

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As he mentioned, those prohibited mentioned, those prohibited offenses that are now listed offenses that are now listed here only apply if you have here only apply if you have another felony conviction. So another felony conviction. So we should be clear on that. Is we should be clear on that. Is this a perfect bill? Of course this a perfect bill? Of course not.

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I have never seen a not. I have never seen a perfect bill. There are always perfect bill. There are always things that we should strive to things that we should strive to improve as a legislative body. improve as a legislative body. One second representative, One second representative, representative, hollow point of representative, hollow point of order. order. Was speaking on the amendment.

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Was speaking on the amendment. Can we stick to that? Because Can we stick to that? Because I'm getting confused. I'm getting confused. All right. Thank you, All right. Thank you, representative. I believe he is representative. I believe he is on the amendment. But I will on the amendment.

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But I will just say for everyone just just say for everyone just stick to the amendment. Thank stick to the amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Deputy Speaker. you. Thank you. Deputy Speaker. Hull Representative Potter, Hull Representative Potter, please continue. please continue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. In Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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In fact, I believe that this fact, I believe that this amendment has so much amendment has so much information in it and so many information in it and so many edits that very hard to edits that very hard to delineate between the amendment delineate between the amendment and the bill.

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But I'll try to and the bill. But I'll try to keep my comments more focused keep my comments more focused on that. So is it a perfect on that. So is it a perfect bill? No. Do I think the right bill? No.

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Do I think the right public policy is to have public policy is to have somebody have to wait ten years somebody have to wait ten years after the completion of a after the completion of a sentence, especially with the sentence, especially with the amount of time that people can amount of time that people can be sentenced to probation in

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be sentenced to probation in Rhode Island? Probably not. Rhode Island? Probably not. Maybe not. It's 15 years. The Maybe not. It's 15 years. The right interval, maybe not. right interval, maybe not.

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These are things that we should These are things that we should consider taking a deeper look consider taking a deeper look at in the future. But some of at in the future. But some of the examples that that were the examples that that were given today, um, with, you given today, um, with, you know, a really tragic DUI, um, know, a really tragic DUI, um, the weapons offense carrying a

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the weapons offense carrying a knife. Again, let's keep in knife. Again, let's keep in mind that those crimes today mind that those crimes today are eligible for expungement, are eligible for expungement, and they will be eligible for and they will be eligible for expungement tomorrow if this expungement tomorrow if this bill passes.

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They just wouldn't bill passes. They just wouldn't be if you also had another be if you also had another felony conviction. So in my felony conviction. So in my mind, this is another example mind, this is another example of not making perfect the enemy of not making perfect the enemy of the good.

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Um, we've heard of the good. Um, we've heard multiple, uh, stories and multiple, uh, stories and testimonies about the burdens testimonies about the burdens that people experience from that people experience from having felony convictions on having felony convictions on their records. Um, those are their records. Um, those are really, really real concerns.

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I really, really real concerns. I totally agree with what totally agree with what Representative Slater said Representative Slater said about hearing from people who about hearing from people who need this relief now. So the need this relief now.

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So the possibility of making a bill possibility of making a bill better in the future is not better in the future is not reason for me to deny something reason for me to deny something that people have earned with that people have earned with rehabilitation from being rehabilitation from being denied that opportunity today. denied that opportunity today.

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So for that reason, I will be So for that reason, I will be voting no on this amendment and voting no on this amendment and I hope that we pass the bill. I hope that we pass the bill. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Representative Thank you, Representative Potter. Representative Stewart, Potter. Representative Stewart, please.

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please. Thank you. Mr. Speaker. I have Thank you. Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the sponsor of a question for the sponsor of the amendment. the amendment. Well, the sponsor of the Well, the sponsor of the amendment yield. She will amendment yield. She will yield. yield. Thank you. Thank you, Mr.

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Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Um, for the offenses Speaker. Um, for the offenses that are targeted by the that are targeted by the amendment, are those, um, uh, amendment, are those, um, uh, child neglect, uh, or cruelty child neglect, uh, or cruelty statutes and the weapon statutes and the weapon statutes are all the things

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statutes are all the things listed in those areas, felonies listed in those areas, felonies or some of them misdemeanors. or some of them misdemeanors. Uh, thank you for that Uh, thank you for that question. Actually, some are question. Actually, some are misdemeanors. Actually. This is misdemeanors. Actually.

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This is an attempt to try to get some an attempt to try to get some misdemeanors to be barred from misdemeanors to be barred from being expunged. So this is being expunged. So this is clearly not all of these that clearly not all of these that are proposed to be prohibited are proposed to be prohibited are felonies.

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Some are are felonies. Some are misdemeanors that are being misdemeanors that are being also prohibited under this also prohibited under this statute. If you have multiple statute. If you have multiple felonies. felonies. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Representative Stewart, chair Representative Stewart, chair McEntee, please. McEntee, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in opposition to this in opposition to this amendment, and I want to say amendment, and I want to say that I respect Representative that I respect Representative Cruz and I appreciate her Cruz and I appreciate her passion, and I understand what

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passion, and I understand what she's trying to do. But if we she's trying to do. But if we don't match this bill to the don't match this bill to the Senate bill, we won't get Senate bill, we won't get anything. And currently a anything.

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And currently a person currently has no ability person currently has no ability to expunge multiple felonies. to expunge multiple felonies. 15 years is better than having 15 years is better than having no ability at all. So I ask all no ability at all. So I ask all of you to please vote. Read on. of you to please vote. Read on. This amendment. Thank you.

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This amendment. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Thank you. Chair. Representative Cruz, please. Representative Cruz, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Uh, what is your point of Uh, what is your point of order? order? Representative Cruz already Representative Cruz already spoken twice on the amendment. spoken twice on the amendment. You're only allowed two times.

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You're only allowed two times. That's correct. But she's the That's correct. But she's the sponsor of the amendment. She's sponsor of the amendment. She's allowed to speak again. allowed to speak again. Representative Cruz, you can Representative Cruz, you can proceed. proceed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First, Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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First, I want to thank someone I I want to thank someone I forgot to thank. Was Project forgot to thank. Was Project Weber renew, who really came Weber renew, who really came out, you know, really support a out, you know, really support a lot of the women who have lot of the women who have struggled.

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So I just want to struggled. So I just want to say that before I go on and say that before I go on and also, you know, we talked also, you know, we talked about, um, expungement bills about, um, expungement bills being kicked around. I just being kicked around.

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I just want to recognize want to recognize Representative John Lombardi, Representative John Lombardi, who over ten years, I think 12 who over ten years, I think 12 years has put in a multiple years has put in a multiple felony expungement bill for a felony expungement bill for a long time. So this bill is long time. So this bill is really an infant.

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When we think really an infant. When we think about how long we've had, uh, about how long we've had, uh, or we've fought to get multiple or we've fought to get multiple expungement, uh, that ability expungement, uh, that ability for people here in the state of for people here in the state of Rhode Island.

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So I want to just Rhode Island. So I want to just recognize that, um, also, I recognize that, um, also, I heard something that this can't heard something that this can't be done now, actually, I've be done now, actually, I've witnessed in courtroom after witnessed in courtroom after courtroom, judges have courtroom, judges have discretion now, they actually

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discretion now, they actually can, uh, expunge multiples can, uh, expunge multiples because the judge has because the judge has discretion. So I've seen it. discretion. So I've seen it. I've witnessed it. I just want I've witnessed it. I just want to clarify that. Clarify that. to clarify that. Clarify that.

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Another thing I heard was the Another thing I heard was the Senate hasn't agreed. Actually, Senate hasn't agreed. Actually, the Senate did agree. This was the Senate did agree. This was it was language that worked on it was language that worked on for three weeks with the for three weeks with the Senate. And they agreed.

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And it Senate. And they agreed. And it was the sponsor and the chair. was the sponsor and the chair. And we all worked together. And And we all worked together.

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And I just I just want to clarify I just I just want to clarify that this was not done in bad that this was not done in bad faith. This was done with all faith. This was done with all the parties. So again, this was the parties. So again, this was a surprise to me because again, a surprise to me because again, everybody worked together. It everybody worked together.

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It will not be killed if it goes will not be killed if it goes over to the Senate. That is over to the Senate. That is what happened. I mean, I think what happened. I mean, I think that keep that word. But again, that keep that word. But again, here we are today.

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So I just I here we are today. So I just I want to continue to highlight want to continue to highlight the disproportionate impact on the disproportionate impact on women here. And that really women here. And that really concerns me because I know concerns me because I know we're opening the door.

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But I we're opening the door. But I also know for a very few. But I also know for a very few. But I also know we're closing it for also know we're closing it for many others. And I've heard many others.

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And I've heard others say, well, we'll have to others say, well, we'll have to come back an amendment. Why come back an amendment. Why don't we fix it now? Why don't don't we fix it now? Why don't we make sure we address that we make sure we address that right now? Yes, I want right now? Yes, I want opportunities right.

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And I keep opportunities right. And I keep hearing they don't exist right hearing they don't exist right now. But they do. They do. I now. But they do. They do.

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I have my own family members who have my own family members who got multiple felonies expunged got multiple felonies expunged because we have judicial because we have judicial discretion, because they were discretion, because they were able to look at all the able to look at all the categories they had to adhere categories they had to adhere to good moral character, to good moral character, haven't been in trouble in so haven't been in trouble in so many years.

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Right now, under a many years. Right now, under a statute of first offender waits statute of first offender waits ten years plus their sentence, ten years plus their sentence, whatever that may be. I again whatever that may be.

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I again state it that Rhode Island has state it that Rhode Island has an average of 8 to 10 years an average of 8 to 10 years even higher for black males. So even higher for black males. So we know this disproportionately we know this disproportionately impacts people of color. We impacts people of color. We already know that. I don't want already know that.

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I don't want to have to keep repeating that, to have to keep repeating that, but for I know a question that but for I know a question that was asked. And part of this is was asked.

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And part of this is for the multiple, it is for the multiple, it is suggested that we do 15 plus suggested that we do 15 plus the completion of your the completion of your sentence. So just do the math. sentence. So just do the math.

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We're talking 15 plus ten years We're talking 15 plus ten years and could be longer for some and could be longer for some because again, and I want to because again, and I want to just address another thing that just address another thing that was brought up that someone's was brought up that someone's going to be charged with going to be charged with something over and over, like something over and over, like multiple child neglect or more. multiple child neglect or more. That is not what this is.

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You That is not what this is. You could have one child neglect. could have one child neglect. You can have two shoplifting. You can have two shoplifting. You could have one drug You could have one drug possession over the span of ten possession over the span of ten years.

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Now you're waiting years. Now you're waiting another ten plus the sentence another ten plus the sentence and and another 15. That's the and and another 15. That's the reality of what we're talking reality of what we're talking about here. So I just I just I about here. So I just I just I heard a lot of misinformation.

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heard a lot of misinformation. I want to clarify that. I I want to clarify that. I really do ask, again, if we really do ask, again, if we were very intentional and we were very intentional and we honored the amendments we had honored the amendments we had worked on, I wouldn't be here

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worked on, I wouldn't be here doing this right now. I didn't doing this right now. I didn't want to be here doing this want to be here doing this right now. That's why I worked right now.

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That's why I worked really hard with so many people really hard with so many people to make sure it was a friendly to make sure it was a friendly The amendment that we all could The amendment that we all could really work on. So I'm hoping really work on. So I'm hoping again that you'll support this again that you'll support this amendment. We can do it right.

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amendment. We can do it right. It's not going to harm It's not going to harm anything. If we do. It is going anything. If we do. It is going to pass because these were the to pass because these were the same amendments that the Senate same amendments that the Senate agreed on.

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So I just want to agreed on. So I just want to highlight that. And I would ask highlight that. And I would ask you to, to please support this you to, to please support this amendment. Thank you, Mr.. amendment. Thank you, Mr.. Thank you representative. There Thank you representative. There are no lights.

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Please unlock are no lights. Please unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. All in all, in Please vote red. All in all, in favor of the amendment. Green. favor of the amendment. Green. All opposed. Red. Please.

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Like All opposed. Red. Please. Like the machine, there are 12 in the machine, there are 12 in favor, 61 opposed. The favor, 61 opposed. The amendment fails. We are back on amendment fails. We are back on the act. Representative Cruz, the act. Representative Cruz, please. please. Mr.

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speaker, I have an Mr. speaker, I have an amendment at the appropriate amendment at the appropriate time. time. Now's the appropriate time. Now's the appropriate time. Uh, that is LC 003887.11 or Uh, that is LC 003887.11 or Dash 11. It says point oh. My Dash 11. It says point oh. My thing. Sorry about that.

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Slash thing. Sorry about that. Slash 11. How is that.? 11. How is that.? Representative Cruz moves. LC Representative Cruz moves. LC 00388711. That is seconded by 00388711. That is seconded by Representative Felix and Representative Felix and represent Gela. Explanation, represent Gela. Explanation, please. Representative. please. Representative. Yes.

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So this basically Yes. So this basically addresses one of the concerns I addresses one of the concerns I have brought up about weapons. have brought up about weapons. If we're talking about If we're talking about felonies. And that was the felonies.

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And that was the intent, this is just to clean intent, this is just to clean up the language. Uh, Mr. up the language. Uh, Mr. Speaker, to really just, um, Speaker, to really just, um, identify felony weapons versus identify felony weapons versus all weapons. That's what this all weapons. That's what this does.

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It's a simple amendment does. It's a simple amendment as well as a clean up language as well as a clean up language on page three, line 13. This on page three, line 13. This was actually brought up by was actually brought up by Professor Horowitz, also, Mike Professor Horowitz, also, Mike DeLauro and others.

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The public DeLauro and others. The public defender's office, where there defender's office, where there could be a, um, it's a could be a, um, it's a confusing sentence. So it's confusing sentence. So it's just a cleanup. It doesn't just a cleanup. It doesn't change anything. And happy to change anything. And happy to take any questions.

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And I hope take any questions. And I hope you'll support this amendment. you'll support this amendment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, representative chair Thank you, representative chair McEntee, please. There was it McEntee, please. There was it was moved and seconded by was moved and seconded by Felix. Representative. Chair Felix. Representative. Chair McEntee.

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McEntee. Which one on page two. Which one on page two. Uh, Mr. Speaker, I rise in Uh, Mr. Speaker, I rise in opposition to this amendment opposition to this amendment and I urge everyone to vote no. and I urge everyone to vote no.

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This is, uh, what is it? Line This is, uh, what is it? Line page two. Line 20, which? Is page two. Line 20, which? Is back on the weapons. Is that is back on the weapons. Is that is that correct? Uh, that correct? Uh, Representative Cruz. Representative Cruz. Representative Cruz. Representative Cruz. Yes.

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This is just, again, being Yes. This is just, again, being focused that we're talking focused that we're talking about felony weapons versus, about felony weapons versus, okay, other things, but also. okay, other things, but also. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. Okay. I just wanted to clarify Okay. I just wanted to clarify on the amendment.

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on the amendment. I just want to make sure, I just want to make sure, because we just discussed that because we just discussed that and for the reasons that we and for the reasons that we stated earlier, a stated earlier, a representative night talked representative night talked about it.

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I moved that everyone about it. I moved that everyone votes no on this amendment. And votes no on this amendment. And I urge you to press the red I urge you to press the red button. button. Thank you. Chair McCarty, Thank you. Chair McCarty, representative Felix, please. representative Felix, please. Uh oh. Uh oh. Sorry. Sorry. Rep.

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Sam Newberg, please Rep. Sam Newberg, please question for the, uh, sponsor question for the, uh, sponsor of the amendment. Will the of the amendment.

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Will the sponsor, as someone who's been sponsor, as someone who's been known to put some amendments, known to put some amendments, uh, over the years in the uh, over the years in the bills, I know sometimes it's bills, I know sometimes it's confusing because the way confusing because the way they're structured, I'm trying they're structured, I'm trying to figure out what this to figure out what this actually does. Yes, it's short, actually does.

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Yes, it's short, but can you explain in layman's but can you explain in layman's terms, please, what it does? terms, please, what it does? Yes. And I fail to mention one Yes.

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And I fail to mention one other piece of this amendment, other piece of this amendment, which is striking nor arrested, which is striking nor arrested, which is unconstitutional which is unconstitutional language. And to bar somebody language. And to bar somebody from an expungement just for an from an expungement just for an arrest. It's proven arrest. It's proven unconstitutional. This was unconstitutional.

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This was brought up again by law brought up again by law professors to please clean up professors to please clean up that language. So, uh, to that language. So, uh, to Representative Newberry, this Representative Newberry, this is to clean up that language is to clean up that language around unconstitutional around unconstitutional language and also to be more language and also to be more narrow on weapons that we're

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narrow on weapons that we're speaking about felony weapon speaking about felony weapon possession. So that that's possession. So that that's basically is a short amendment. basically is a short amendment. And I hope you'll support. And I hope you'll support. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Knight, please. Representative Knight, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong opposition to this in strong opposition to this amendment. It is not, in fact, amendment. It is not, in fact, a clean up amendment. It gets a clean up amendment.

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It gets rid of, if I'm reading it rid of, if I'm reading it correctly, it gets rid of, um, correctly, it gets rid of, um, a key part of the statute that a key part of the statute that was agreed or the the bill that was agreed or the the bill that we have before us, um, by we have before us, um, by getting rid of, uh, it seeks to

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getting rid of, uh, it seeks to mess around with this other mess around with this other prohibited list and it gets rid prohibited list and it gets rid of it. It does a few things, of it. It does a few things, which is not great.

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And it a which is not great. And it a wise counsel once said to me wise counsel once said to me with flawed amendments, it says with flawed amendments, it says you're basically engaging an you're basically engaging an open heart surgery on a bill. open heart surgery on a bill.

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Um, this amendment that is Um, this amendment that is before you, even though it before you, even though it looks like it's a single word looks like it's a single word here and here and here, the here and here and here, the body may have noticed that this body may have noticed that this expungement stuff gets

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expungement stuff gets complicated in practice, and complicated in practice, and every word and every comma every word and every comma really matters. When you get in really matters.

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When you get in front of a judge, you get in front of a judge, you get in court to have a system that court to have a system that works successfully like we have works successfully like we have at today. And I'm going to go at today. And I'm going to go back to the basics. What I said back to the basics.

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What I said before the expungement system before the expungement system that we have today, imagine it that we have today, imagine it being a house. This bill puts being a house. This bill puts an addition on the House. And an addition on the House.

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And if we start messing around with if we start messing around with the addition by engaging in the addition by engaging in this amendment process that this amendment process that goes towards some of the core goes towards some of the core concepts in the um, in this concepts in the um, in this edition, uh, we're going to edition, uh, we're going to break the addition. So these break the addition.

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So these language changes that's in the language changes that's in the amendment fundamentally alter amendment fundamentally alter the meaning of the bill that is the meaning of the bill that is before you right now. Um, and before you right now. Um, and perhaps creates an even perhaps creates an even unworkable bill.

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So I would unworkable bill. So I would suggest that you vote no. I suggest that you vote no. I certainly will be too, so that certainly will be too, so that we can pass a bill that extends we can pass a bill that extends the relief, as discussed in the the relief, as discussed in the prior discussion.

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prior discussion. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Senator Felix, please. Senator Felix, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of the amendment, in support of the amendment, and as Rep Night has and as Rep Night has articulated, yes, every comma, articulated, yes, every comma, every sentence, every word in a

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every sentence, every word in a bill matters. And that is why bill matters. And that is why this amendment is in place. The this amendment is in place.

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The title of the bill or the the title of the bill or the the purpose of the bill is to allow purpose of the bill is to allow for multiple felony exemptions for multiple felony exemptions or, excuse me, expungement. I'm or, excuse me, expungement. I'm lost for words today. Uh, lost for words today. Uh, multiple felony expungement. multiple felony expungement.

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One of the things that this One of the things that this bill does is that it includes bill does is that it includes the word felony before the the word felony before the prohibited offenses, before the prohibited offenses, before the lists, so that it makes it lists, so that it makes it clear that this applies to clear that this applies to felonies.

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What it does is that felonies. What it does is that it cleans up language. For it cleans up language. For example, the page five, line example, the page five, line six, where we talk about six, where we talk about convicted and deleting the word convicted and deleting the word arrested for uh, in adds a

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arrested for uh, in adds a comma after an end on page comma after an end on page five, line seven. So yes, it is five, line seven. So yes, it is a clean up bill. And I a clean up bill.

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And I respectfully disagree where respectfully disagree where we're at night that this we're at night that this fundamentally alters the bill fundamentally alters the bill because of what it simply does, because of what it simply does, again, is insert the word, uh, again, is insert the word, uh, felonies where needed so that felonies where needed so that it doesn't get confused.

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And it doesn't get confused. And judges or whomever don't judges or whomever don't presume to not allow other, uh, presume to not allow other, uh, eligible offenses to be eligible offenses to be expunged. So with that, thank expunged. So with that, thank you, Mr. Speaker. you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative Cruz, please.

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Representative Cruz, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you, Raphael. Exactly. thank you, Raphael. Exactly. You took a lot of the talking You took a lot of the talking points, so I appreciate you and points, so I appreciate you and all the work you've been doing

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all the work you've been doing on this. And that is correct. on this. And that is correct. This has been called the This has been called the multiple felony bill. And multiple felony bill.

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And that's what this cleanup is, is that's what this cleanup is, is to make sure it's doing what to make sure it's doing what we're saying. It's doing. And we're saying. It's doing. And it's also again, there is it's also again, there is unconstitutional things that we unconstitutional things that we need to strike and get rid of. need to strike and get rid of. It was agreed again.

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This was It was agreed again. This was the same language agreed upon the same language agreed upon during the discussions with the during the discussions with the other side. And it really was other side. And it really was about the felonies and really about the felonies and really cleaning up for that.

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So, um, cleaning up for that. So, um, it does make a difference if it does make a difference if you have a witch or a that and you have a witch or a that and a comma or not a comma. And I a comma or not a comma.

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And I know the attorneys in the room know the attorneys in the room and those who are well versed and those who are well versed know it can mean a lot, it can know it can mean a lot, it can actually mean an expungement or actually mean an expungement or not an expungement based on how

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not an expungement based on how a judge reads it. So it is a judge reads it. So it is complex, I agree, but again, complex, I agree, but again, this is to make sure it's doing this is to make sure it's doing what it says it's doing. what it says it's doing.

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Someone asked earlier does it Someone asked earlier does it impact somebody who already has impact somebody who already has that option? Right now we have that option? Right now we have multiple misdemeanors. And multiple misdemeanors. And first offenders. And or unless first offenders.

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And or unless a judge uses their discretion, a judge uses their discretion, can get an expungement by some can get an expungement by some of this language in here of this language in here actually addresses some of that actually addresses some of that misdemeanor. And what this is misdemeanor. And what this is doing is bringing the bill back doing is bringing the bill back to its intent.

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Multiple to its intent. Multiple felonies. And that's what this felonies. And that's what this clean up language is. And I clean up language is. And I thank you, Mr. Speaker. thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. There are no lights because I'm There are no lights because I'm all in favor of the amendment.

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all in favor of the amendment. Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote Red. Lock the Please vote Red. Lock the machine. There are 11 favor, 62 machine. There are 11 favor, 62 opposed. The amendment fails. opposed. The amendment fails. We are back on the act.

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We are back on the act. Representative votes, please. Representative votes, please. Mr. speaker, on Rep Cruz's Mr. speaker, on Rep Cruz's First Amendment, I First Amendment, I inadvertently voted yes. I'd inadvertently voted yes. I'd like to change my vote to a no. like to change my vote to a no. It will not change the outcome.

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It will not change the outcome. Without objections to order. Without objections to order. Representative Diaz, please. Representative Diaz, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I change my vote for the last, change my vote for the last, uh, amendment from yes to no? uh, amendment from yes to no? Please.

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Please. It will not change the outcome. It will not change the outcome. It will not. Without objection. It will not. Without objection. So ordered. There are no lights So ordered. There are no lights in the act. Click, please in the act. Click, please unlock the machine. All in unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote. Green.

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Any favor, please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 61 in favor, 12 There are 61 in favor, 12 opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item number three. Senate 3335. Item number three. Senate 3335. Chair. Casey, please.

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Chair. Casey, please. Thank you. Speaker. Senate 3335 Thank you. Speaker. Senate 3335 is by Senator McKinney. This is by Senator McKinney. This grants the City of Warwick the grants the City of Warwick the authority to sell property authority to sell property located at 34 Warwick Lake located at 34 Warwick Lake Avenue.

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This is a duplicate Avenue. This is a duplicate bill of representative bill of representative McNamara's bill 8558 substitute McNamara's bill 8558 substitute A that we passed on June 3rd. A that we passed on June 3rd. There's a resolution from the There's a resolution from the City Council. I move passage. City Council. I move passage.

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Chair Casey moves passage I Chair Casey moves passage I seconded by leader. Kazarian. seconded by leader. Kazarian. Chair. Shanley. Chair McNamara. Chair. Shanley. Chair McNamara. Chair. Bennett. The act is Chair. Bennett. The act is moved and seconded. There are moved and seconded. There are no lights. Clerk, please unlock no lights. Clerk, please unlock the machine.

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All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative Please vote red. Representative Phillips, please vote. Chair Phillips, please vote. Chair Casey, please vote. Clerk. Casey, please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine. There Please lock the machine. There are 73 in favor, zero opposed.

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are 73 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item. The act prevails. Next item. Item number four. Number 7625. Item number four. Number 7625. Sub a chair. Sub a chair. Donovan, please. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 87625. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 87625.

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Sub a by myself mandates that Sub a by myself mandates that insurers provide health insurers provide health insurance coverage without cost insurance coverage without cost share requirements for share requirements for vaccinations recommended by the vaccinations recommended by the DOH and mandates the coverage DOH and mandates the coverage for the Medical Assistance for the Medical Assistance Program and managed care

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Program and managed care organizations. This bill was organizations. This bill was widely supported and I moved widely supported and I moved passage. passage. Chair Donovan was passage out Chair Donovan was passage out of second by leader Gazette of second by leader Gazette representative Representative representative Representative Boylan.

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You know, we'll use the Boylan. You know, we'll use the green button on this clerk. green button on this clerk. Please unlock the machine. All Please unlock the machine. All in favor of seconding it, hit in favor of seconding it, hit the green button. Clerk, please the green button. Clerk, please lock the machine.

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There are 41 lock the machine. There are 41 seconds. The act is moved and seconds. The act is moved and seconded. Representative Lima, seconded. Representative Lima, please. please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members of the House, this bill is of the House, this bill is probably one of the most probably one of the most dangerous, unneeded, costly, dangerous, unneeded, costly, progressive ideas that I've progressive ideas that I've seen in a very long time. Right seen in a very long time. Right now, there's two national now, there's two national groups that decide vaccines. groups that decide vaccines. One of them is the.

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American One of them is the. American Academy of Pediatrics, the AAP. Academy of Pediatrics, the AAP. That's a professional That's a professional organization, of pediatricians organization, of pediatricians in the United States. They in the United States.

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They represent 67,000 pediatricians, represent 67,000 pediatricians, pediatric medical specialists, pediatric medical specialists, pediatric surgical specialists pediatric surgical specialists globally. All the research is globally. All the research is done with peer reviewed done with peer reviewed studies. These are global studies. These are global professionals. The second group professionals.

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The second group that decides which vaccines is that decides which vaccines is the ACIp, which is a federal the ACIp, which is a federal advisory committee with the advisory committee with the United Center for Disease United Center for Disease Control and Prevention. They Control and Prevention. They decide which vaccines are decide which vaccines are needed in childhood and needed in childhood and adolescence. They got 19 voting adolescence.

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They got 19 voting members, their independent members, their independent medical, scientific, public medical, scientific, public health experts appointed by the health experts appointed by the Secretary of Health and Human Secretary of Health and Human Services. They have six Services.

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They have six official official members from official official members from other federal agency and 30 other federal agency and 30 non-voting liaison non-voting liaison representatives from National representatives from National Health. So here we have to Health. So here we have to decide which vaccines our decide which vaccines our children, our members of the children, our members of the public, should take to national, public, should take to national, global, peer reviewed, global, peer reviewed, scientific experts.

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What does scientific experts. What does this bill do? This bill says this bill do? This bill says them or the director of the them or the director of the Department of Health, one Department of Health, one person is going to decide this. person is going to decide this.

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The director of the Department The director of the Department of Health. Seriously, with of Health. Seriously, with their expertise, let's think their expertise, let's think about this now. The last two about this now. The last two directors of the Department of directors of the Department of have had to resign under a have had to resign under a cloud of scandal.

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But we're cloud of scandal. But we're going to let that person, one going to let that person, one person, as opposed to person, as opposed to scientist, would peer review scientist, would peer review expertise to decide which expertise to decide which vaccines our children should vaccines our children should get.

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We're going to take away get. We're going to take away that choice from science, from that choice from science, from experts, and what to give it to experts, and what to give it to one person. This is blowing my one person. This is blowing my mind. One person, and what's mind.

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One person, and what's going to happen? Who's going to going to happen? Who's going to pay for this so that one person pay for this so that one person says, okay, you need this says, okay, you need this special vaccine. One person special vaccine. One person says it. Now, Rhode Island says it.

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Now, Rhode Island health insurers have to cover health insurers have to cover it. Okay. Health care is really it. Okay. Health care is really great. I mean, this is what great.

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I mean, this is what happens with these progressive happens with these progressive ideas when you don't look at ideas when you don't look at the consequences of what you're the consequences of what you're doing right now. Your doctor doing right now. Your doctor can be right in your can be right in your prescriptions. This has prescriptions. This has happened to me and members of happened to me and members of my family.

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They don't want to my family. They don't want to pay. They're trying to get out pay. They're trying to get out of paying. You got to prove of paying. You got to prove over and over again that you over and over again that you need this prescription. So now need this prescription.

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So now we're going to add that this we're going to add that this one person is going to say, you one person is going to say, you need this vaccine. No science, need this vaccine. No science, no peer reviewed studies, no no peer reviewed studies, no global or nationalist people global or nationalist people making this decision.

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So now making this decision. So now this one person says you need this one person says you need vaccine. ABC what are the vaccine. ABC what are the consequences of that public consequences of that public health and safety? Think about health and safety? Think about that. Public health and safety.

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that. Public health and safety. So if you don't get this So if you don't get this vaccine that we're going to vaccine that we're going to force Rhode Island health force Rhode Island health insurers, our health insurance insurers, our health insurance is going to go up to get this

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is going to go up to get this vaccine. If you don't get it, vaccine. If you don't get it, guess what? You're going to get guess what? You're going to get fired. So that's how fired. So that's how ridiculous. Don't look at me ridiculous. Don't look at me like that. It happened.

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We like that. It happened. We fired people for not getting a fired people for not getting a vaccine. And if you don't wear vaccine. And if you don't wear a mask without this vaccine, a mask without this vaccine, when you're walking alone in a when you're walking alone in a field or driving alone in a

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field or driving alone in a car, you're in trouble. This is car, you're in trouble. This is insane. To give this much power insane. To give this much power to one person, because we don't to one person, because we don't like the trend of the national like the trend of the national movement.

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Well, elections have movement. Well, elections have consequences. But to give this consequences. But to give this to one person to increase the to one person to increase the cost of health care and our cost of health care and our constituency is insane. There's constituency is insane. There's no criteria in this.

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So whoever no criteria in this. So whoever the director of health is, is the director of health is, is just going to say, I don't like just going to say, I don't like that vaccine. I mean, I like that vaccine. I mean, I like that vaccine.

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I want them to that vaccine. I want them to have to get it. One person's have to get it. One person's going to decide. going to decide. That. 30s representing. That. 30s representing. Health care is going to Health care is going to explode. This is bad. Bad. explode. This is bad. Bad.

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Whatever happened to my body? Whatever happened to my body? My choice. Whatever happened to My choice. Whatever happened to science? We just pick and science? We just pick and choose. When we use science, choose. When we use science, when we use experts. This is when we use experts. This is crazy.

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You have to vote this crazy. You have to vote this down. Thank you. down. Thank you. Thank you. Representative Chair Thank you. Representative Chair Donovan, please. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So this Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So this bill came to us from the bill came to us from the Department of Health.

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Yes, but Department of Health. Yes, but the president of the Rhode the president of the Rhode Island Association of Island Association of Pediatricians wants this bill Pediatricians wants this bill passed. They want scheduled passed. They want scheduled vaccines that they recommend as vaccines that they recommend as pediatricians.

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They want to be pediatricians. They want to be sure that if the federal sure that if the federal government changes the schedule government changes the schedule and they feel okay, they they and they feel okay, they they also read the peer reviewed also read the peer reviewed articles.

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They want to be sure articles. They want to be sure that our children of Rhode that our children of Rhode Island get the vaccines they Island get the vaccines they need to keep us all safe. This need to keep us all safe. This does not cost.

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It has a no cost does not cost. It has a no cost or a minimal cost. Okay. or a minimal cost. Okay. According to the Rhode Island According to the Rhode Island Department of Health and all Department of Health and all the people that we've asked. So the people that we've asked.

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So I don't really understand why I don't really understand why we would not want to pass this we would not want to pass this bill. So I, I strongly urge us bill.

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So I, I strongly urge us to move passage of this bill, to move passage of this bill, not to move it, but to pass not to move it, but to pass this bill. Thank thank you. this bill. Thank thank you. Mr.. Mr.. Thank you, chair. Donovan. Thank you, chair. Donovan. Senator Morales, please. Senator Morales, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in support of this legislation. in support of this legislation.

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Is it centered around expanding Is it centered around expanding access to health care? As access to health care? As noted, if there are vaccines noted, if there are vaccines that are being recommended for that are being recommended for the purposes of keeping our the purposes of keeping our neighbors safe, keeping them neighbors safe, keeping them healthy, especially our kiddos,

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healthy, especially our kiddos, there is going to be a there is going to be a requirement that Medicaid has requirement that Medicaid has to cover those respective to cover those respective vaccines alongside private vaccines alongside private insurance. In other words, insurance.

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In other words, we're not putting our neighbors we're not putting our neighbors into a position where they now into a position where they now have to take on the burden of have to take on the burden of cost sharing. And as we have cost sharing. And as we have seen, health care has gotten seen, health care has gotten expensive over the years.

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But expensive over the years. But that's also the reason why we that's also the reason why we have the office of the Health have the office of the Health Insurance Commissioner to Insurance Commissioner to ensure that this legislation ensure that this legislation does not lead to the unintended does not lead to the unintended consequences of watching our

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consequences of watching our premiums spike, as we have seen premiums spike, as we have seen in previous years. And so I in previous years. And so I urge our colleagues to support urge our colleagues to support this legislation, because it's this legislation, because it's been disturbing to see some of

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been disturbing to see some of the trends that are happening the trends that are happening across the nation, where across the nation, where there's been more relaxed there's been more relaxed policies around vaccine policies around vaccine requirements, look no further requirements, look no further than Texas, where you've had a

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than Texas, where you've had a literal breakout of measles literal breakout of measles amongst kids. And that is amongst kids. And that is because of the fact that because of the fact that they're neglecting public they're neglecting public health. And so I think when we health.

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And so I think when we have measures like this, it's have measures like this, it's about making sure that there's about making sure that there's a responsibility of protecting a responsibility of protecting one another within our one another within our communities, especially when communities, especially when you consider how dense of a you consider how dense of a state we are.

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But in addition state we are. But in addition to that, there are consumer to that, there are consumer protections. So none of our protections. So none of our neighbors, regardless of neighbors, regardless of whether you depend on Medicaid whether you depend on Medicaid or private insurance, has to or private insurance, has to find themselves into a position

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find themselves into a position where they cannot afford those where they cannot afford those vaccines. So I urge our vaccines. So I urge our colleagues to vote yes. Thank colleagues to vote yes. Thank you. you. Thank you, representative. Thank you, representative. Representative Carter, please. Representative Carter, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, as.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker, as. A member. A member. Of HHS. Of HHS. We are there. We are there. Very long nights. Uh, often. Very long nights. Uh, often. Throughout session. Um, I would Throughout session. Um, I would like to thank the sponsor for like to thank the sponsor for this bill.

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And I'd like to call this bill. And I'd like to call my colleagues attention to the my colleagues attention to the letters. We did not hear any letters. We did not hear any opposition to this bill. And if opposition to this bill.

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And if it was going to increase costs it was going to increase costs to the consumers, Blue Cross to the consumers, Blue Cross would not have put in a letter would not have put in a letter of support. So this does not of support. So this does not increase costs. Blue cross did increase costs.

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Blue cross did put in a letter and this will put in a letter and this will save us money in the long run save us money in the long run down the line. So thank you down the line. So thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. very much, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. Representative McGaw, please. Representative McGaw, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I rise Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in strong support. in strong support. Of this legislation. Of this legislation. Uh, as. Uh, as. Was noted earlier. Was noted earlier. We have seen. We have seen. Concerning trends. Concerning trends. In vaccination across the In vaccination across the country. and recognizing that country.

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and recognizing that we can accept these we can accept these recommendations from the recommendations from the American Academy, Academy of American Academy, Academy of Pediatrics, which is fantastic. Pediatrics, which is fantastic.

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But we also know that there we But we also know that there we need to have some guidelines need to have some guidelines around vaccinations for adults around vaccinations for adults as well. And so this is just as well. And so this is just providing another opportunity providing another opportunity to provide some input about who to provide some input about who which vaccines are appropriate which vaccines are appropriate for coverage throughout the for coverage throughout the state.

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Here in Rhode Island, as state. Here in Rhode Island, as was mentioned earlier, because was mentioned earlier, because of some concerning trends of some concerning trends nationally. Uh, we just want to nationally.

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Uh, we just want to make sure that we're providing make sure that we're providing all of the opportunities, and I all of the opportunities, and I have every confidence that our have every confidence that our director of the Department of director of the Department of Health, in coordination with Health, in coordination with his team, will do their due his team, will do their due diligence in looking at all of

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diligence in looking at all of the information that is the information that is available to protect the public available to protect the public health of Rhode Islanders. health of Rhode Islanders. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Representative Chair Thank you. Representative Chair Fogarty, please. Fogarty, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I'm Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to try to remain, um, going to try to remain, um, calm when I speak. I am a calm when I speak. I am a former pharmaceutical rep, and former pharmaceutical rep, and I sold vaccines, and I know I sold vaccines, and I know about the safety of vaccines.

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about the safety of vaccines. And I've been here in this And I've been here in this state when some of the experts, state when some of the experts, the foremost experts on the foremost experts on vaccines, have come and vaccines, have come and congratulated the Department of congratulated the Department of Health on our rate of

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Health on our rate of vaccination in the state and vaccination in the state and the rate of lack of disease in the rate of lack of disease in the state of Rhode Island. the state of Rhode Island. Awarded the Department of Awarded the Department of Health.

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The ACP under followed Health. The ACP under followed what our. I can't even RFK Jr. what our. I can't even RFK Jr. And they said that they, um And they said that they, um they resisted him. So when they resisted him.

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So when you're going to talk about him, you're going to talk about him, they're going to they they got they're going to they they got let go and the 17 appointees to let go and the 17 appointees to the ACP were let go. So when the ACP were let go.

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So when you bring up the ACIp, which I you bring up the ACIp, which I used to highly, highly respect, used to highly, highly respect, these are not people who are these are not people who are the experts anymore in play. the experts anymore in play. They want it to be covered as They want it to be covered as it's always been covered. The it's always been covered.

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The vaccine schedule, the AAP does vaccine schedule, the AAP does not. They have not changed not. They have not changed their vaccine recommendations their vaccine recommendations and they broke away from the and they broke away from the CDC vaccinations again because CDC vaccinations again because the CDC was changed. They the CDC was changed.

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They continued to do and want to continued to do and want to vaccinate against the 18 vaccinate against the 18 routine diseases for all routine diseases for all children. The same schedule children. The same schedule that is in place before this that is in place before this administration overhauled the administration overhauled the federal guidelines on federal guidelines on children's vaccinations.

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So the children's vaccinations. So the CDC wanted to remove hepatitis CDC wanted to remove hepatitis A, hepatitis B meningitis. May A, hepatitis B meningitis.

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May I all remind you that when my I all remind you that when my son was probably 2 or 3, we had son was probably 2 or 3, we had a big meningitis outbreak here a big meningitis outbreak here in the state of Rhode Island, in the state of Rhode Island, everybody was scrambling to get everybody was scrambling to get the meningitis vaccine to the meningitis vaccine to protect their children. I was protect their children.

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I was scrambling, and luckily, scrambling, and luckily, because I was a pharmaceutical because I was a pharmaceutical rep, I got one of the doctors rep, I got one of the doctors to give my son one of them, not to give my son one of them, not waiting a huge long line. I did waiting a huge long line.

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I did cut the line because we all cut the line because we all want to protect our children. want to protect our children. Do you want to see meningitis Do you want to see meningitis come back. Do you want to see come back.

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Do you want to see children lose their legs and children lose their legs and their limbs or die? Because their limbs or die? Because that's what happened here in that's what happened here in Rhode Island with meningitis, I Rhode Island with meningitis, I have I get very, very sensitive have I get very, very sensitive when you talk about vaccines when you talk about vaccines because they are the best thing

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because they are the best thing that has happened to the world that has happened to the world since the world was created. since the world was created. They have saved millions of They have saved millions of lives. Don't ever try to tell lives.

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Don't ever try to tell me that our Department of me that our Department of Health is not trying to protect Health is not trying to protect our children. Follow what's our children. Follow what's happening in the federal happening in the federal guidelines, follow what's guidelines, follow what's happened. See that this happened. See that this administration has made a.

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joke administration has made a. joke of the CDC and the people who of the CDC and the people who are intelligent and follow are intelligent and follow this. As you tried to point this. As you tried to point out, Representative Lima have out, Representative Lima have left their recommendations in left their recommendations in the dust. the dust. In.

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In. The AAP, criticized the changes The AAP, criticized the changes by the CDC, and they said they by the CDC, and they said they were dangerous and unnecessary. were dangerous and unnecessary. I can't reiterate that enough. I can't reiterate that enough. Department of health does not Department of health does not see that this is a problem.

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see that this is a problem. This is what they've been This is what they've been doing, and this is what they've doing, and this is what they've been awarded to do. Thank you. been awarded to do. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Chair, Thank you. Chair. Chair, please. please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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I'm Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm going to be very brief. I going to be very brief. I wasn't going to speak on this. wasn't going to speak on this. I have a great deal of respect I have a great deal of respect for my colleague Charlene on for my colleague Charlene on this one.

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I have to take, a this one. I have to take, a stand against that. I do agree stand against that. I do agree with her that during Covid, uh, with her that during Covid, uh, like many other organizations, like many other organizations, during a 100 year never during a 100 year never experienced before pandemic, experienced before pandemic, many poor decisions were made.

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many poor decisions were made. One of the poor decisions that One of the poor decisions that the Department of Health made the Department of Health made was taking licenses away. was taking licenses away. Having said that, there's Having said that, there's nothing more important. One of nothing more important.

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One of the most important things in the most important things in medicine is pediatric vaccines. medicine is pediatric vaccines. And, um, Jeff Folger is correct And, um, Jeff Folger is correct as far as our immunization, as far as our immunization, immunization rate. And we have immunization rate. And we have to keep that.

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So I'm looking at to keep that. So I'm looking at this bill as, um, something this bill as, um, something that's necessary now for the, that's necessary now for the, for the, uh, for the immediate for the, uh, for the immediate future, whether or not we'll future, whether or not we'll actually need this in the

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actually need this in the future, depending on what future, depending on what happens, is another story. But happens, is another story. But if the Department of Health if the Department of Health feels to keep our immunization, feels to keep our immunization, immunization rates high and to immunization rates high and to to keep things the status quo

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to keep things the status quo with the pediatric vaccine with the pediatric vaccine schedule, then this is a schedule, then this is a necessary thing. Um, that's it. necessary thing. Um, that's it. I, I urge everyone to support I, I urge everyone to support this. this. Thank you. Chairman. Thank you. Chairman. Representative Lima, please.

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Representative Lima, please. Representative Lima. Representative Lima. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Members of the House, if you look on of the House, if you look on page one, as opposed to the page one, as opposed to the two. Professional global two.

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Professional global organizations that have been organizations that have been doing this, we're giving it to doing this, we're giving it to one person, the director of the one person, the director of the Department of Health, by the Department of Health, by the way. We fund their salary and way.

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We fund their salary and all that stuff and control all that stuff and control them, not in the team. We heard them, not in the team. We heard someone say, the director of someone say, the director of health and their team. It health and their team. It doesn't say in the bill their doesn't say in the bill their team.

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Does anybody see team in team. Does anybody see team in that line? No. As far as cause. that line? No. As far as cause. Come on, look at page five. Come on, look at page five. Every individual group, medical Every individual group, medical service contract or every service contract or every individual group, hospital individual group, hospital medical expense, insurance

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medical expense, insurance policy plan or group policy policy plan or group policy delivered, issued or renewed in delivered, issued or renewed in the State of Rhode Island from the State of Rhode Island from January 1st, 2027, shall January 1st, 2027, shall provide coverage. We're provide coverage.

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We're mandating that these Rhode mandating that these Rhode Island companies provide Island companies provide coverage. Oh, it's not going to coverage. Oh, it's not going to cost anything. It's not going cost anything. It's not going to be passed on to the consumer to be passed on to the consumer who's going to pay it. Little who's going to pay it.

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Little payment theories are going to payment theories are going to come out and pay it. Of course, come out and pay it. Of course, it's going to raise the cost of it's going to raise the cost of health insurance. Our health insurance. Our constituents aren't paying constituents aren't paying enough to.

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Health care is a enough to. Health care is a disgrace. This is a dangerous, disgrace. This is a dangerous, expensive, peaceful. The expensive, peaceful. The legislation that is going to legislation that is going to hurt our consumers, our hurt our consumers, our constituents. It's ridiculous. constituents. It's ridiculous.

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Meningitis or the other thing Meningitis or the other thing who says a professional that's who says a professional that's not going to be covered? You not going to be covered? You don't like where the federal don't like where the federal policy is going. So you come up policy is going.

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So you come up with this cockeyed ideas and with this cockeyed ideas and let one person decide, that's let one person decide, that's going to be great for the state going to be great for the state of Rhode Island. We're taking of Rhode Island. We're taking away your choice. We're giving away your choice. We're giving it to one person.

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Two people it to one person. Two people had to resign. Resign under a had to resign. Resign under a cloud. And there's more coming cloud.

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And there's more coming out on one half of it hasn't out on one half of it hasn't even come out yet under a dark even come out yet under a dark cloud. And we're going to give cloud.

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And we're going to give it to that one person that we it to that one person that we control so that you can get control so that you can get your way and not go along with your way and not go along with the federal national policies the federal national policies and all the experts. Great, and all the experts. Great, great. Let's just why don't we great.

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Let's just why don't we just shut the lights off and just shut the lights off and destroy the state? Because destroy the state? Because that's what we're doing. Thank that's what we're doing. Thank you. you. Thank you, representative. Thank you, representative. Representative. Tansy, please. Representative. Tansy, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm glad I got to follow the last glad I got to follow the last speaker.

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Because if I have to speaker. Because if I have to put one person making the put one person making the decision versus another one decision versus another one person if I have to choose person if I have to choose between RFK and our Department between RFK and our Department of Health, if I have to choose

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of Health, if I have to choose between the guy who picked up a between the guy who picked up a bear carcass and we all know bear carcass and we all know the rest, the guy with the the rest, the guy with the toilet seat history, or the guy

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toilet seat history, or the guy who's a practicing doctor in who's a practicing doctor in the state of Rhode Island. I'm the state of Rhode Island. I'm choosing the DOH doctor and his choosing the DOH doctor and his judgment. Thank you, Mr. judgment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Speaker. Thank you, representative.

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Thank you, representative. Senator McGough, for the second Senator McGough, for the second time. time. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Speaker. I just want to Mr. Speaker.

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I just want to clarify, because I did make a clarify, because I did make a comment about the team, and so comment about the team, and so I just want to point, uh, this, I just want to point, uh, this, this body to the beginning of this body to the beginning of the end of page one, the the end of page one, the beginning of page two, where it

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beginning of page two, where it talks about the Department of talks about the Department of Health appointing, appointing Health appointing, appointing an advisory committee to be an advisory committee to be convened and the advisory convened and the advisory committee membership will committee membership will include, but not be limited to,

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include, but not be limited to, a primary care provider, an a primary care provider, an epidemiologist, a pharmacist, epidemiologist, a pharmacist, major insurers, and at the major insurers, and at the discretion of the director, discretion of the director, Representatives of nursing home Representatives of nursing home industry and the home health

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industry and the home health care industry. So there will in care industry. So there will in fact be a team that will be fact be a team that will be looking at any guidelines that looking at any guidelines that the Director of Health feels the Director of Health feels need to be better evaluated.

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need to be better evaluated. And that's what I meant by the And that's what I meant by the team. Thank you. team. Thank you. Thank you, representative. Thank you, representative. Representative Chokshi, please. Representative Chokshi, please. Thank you. Speaker. It was Thank you. Speaker.

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It was mentioned that the current mentioned that the current members of the ACIp are not to members of the ACIp are not to be trusted. Um, going down the be trusted. Um, going down the list, um, Martin Kilduff, PhD, list, um, Martin Kilduff, PhD, chair, epidemiologist, chair, epidemiologist, biostatistician, uh, Harvard biostatistician, uh, Harvard Medical School professor, um

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Medical School professor, um Joseph Giblin, MD, Joseph Giblin, MD, psychiatrist, neuroscientist, a psychiatrist, neuroscientist, a doctor. Levi, PhD, MIT doctor. Levi, PhD, MIT professor, management, health professor, management, health care analytics. Robert, Doctor care analytics. Robert, Doctor Robert Malone, MD, physician, Robert Malone, MD, physician, scientist, biochemist, and the scientist, biochemist, and the inventor of RNA technology.

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inventor of RNA technology. Professor uh, Doctor Meissner, Professor uh, Doctor Meissner, M.D., Professor of Pediatrics M.D., Professor of Pediatrics at Geisel School of Medicine at at Geisel School of Medicine at Dartmouth. Doctor Pagano, MD, Dartmouth. Doctor Pagano, MD, emergency medicine physician, emergency medicine physician, doctor. Public health nurse, doctor.

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Public health nurse, board member of the National board member of the National Vaccine Information Center. Vaccine Information Center. Doctor Ross, M.D., obstetrician Doctor Ross, M.D., obstetrician gynecologist and former gynecologist and former clinical professor. I could clinical professor. I could keep going. I mean, there's keep going. I mean, there's there's another seven here. there's another seven here. That's not enough.

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Uh, That's not enough. Uh, knowledge right there. Um, knowledge right there. Um, science is not something that science is not something that debate should be shut down on. debate should be shut down on. It should be always evolving. I It should be always evolving.

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I mean, science told us that it mean, science told us that it was okay for barbers to cut our was okay for barbers to cut our veins and bleed us out. So veins and bleed us out. So science is always evolving. science is always evolving. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Representative. Thank you. Representative. There are no lights in the act.

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There are no lights in the act. Clerk, please unlock the Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine.

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There are 54 in the machine. There are 54 in favor, 14 opposed. The act favor, 14 opposed. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item number five. Senate 2379. Item number five. Senate 2379. Sub a chair. Sub a chair. Donovan, please. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Senate 2379 sub A by Senator Diffusa 2379 sub A by Senator Diffusa is the duplicate of the bill we is the duplicate of the bill we just passed. So I move passage. just passed. So I move passage. Chair Donovan moves passage. I Chair Donovan moves passage. I second by leader Kazarian. second by leader Kazarian.

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There are no lights in the There are no lights in the clerk. Please unlock the clerk. Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine.

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There are 56 in the machine. There are 56 in favor, 14 opposed. The act favor, 14 opposed. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item six, number 8595. Item six, number 8595. Chair Donovan, please. Chair Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. H 8595 Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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H 8595 sub A is by representative sub A is by representative McGaw. This provides specific McGaw. This provides specific rights for Medigap plan rights for Medigap plan enrollees who enroll outside of enrollees who enroll outside of a plan's initial enrollment a plan's initial enrollment period. This is an issue we period.

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This is an issue we addressed in legislation two addressed in legislation two years ago, but this aims at a years ago, but this aims at a particular group that was particular group that was missed. The persons who age 65 missed.

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The persons who age 65 and older who have, are working and older who have, are working and have a private health plan and have a private health plan through an employer. Sometimes through an employer. Sometimes they retire in the middle of they retire in the middle of the year at age 67 or 68, and the year at age 67 or 68, and they aren't in the window to they aren't in the window to apply for the Medigap plans.

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So apply for the Medigap plans. So we're fixing this issue for we're fixing this issue for this particular group of this particular group of people. This was widely people. This was widely supported, and I moved passage. supported, and I moved passage. Chair Donovan was passage I, Chair Donovan was passage I, seconded by Leader Kazarian.

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seconded by Leader Kazarian. And we'll use the green button. And we'll use the green button. Clerk please unlock the Clerk please unlock the machine. All who would like to machine. All who would like to second, please hit the green second, please hit the green button.

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Clerk please lock the button. Clerk please lock the machine. There are 46 seconds. machine. There are 46 seconds. The act is moved and seconded. The act is moved and seconded. There are no lights. Click. There are no lights. Click. Please unlock the machine. All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote. Green.

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in favor, please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 64 in favor of six There are 64 in favor of six opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item seven. Senate 3282.

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Item seven. Senate 3282. Chair. Donovan, please. Chair. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. S 3282 Thank you, Mr. Speaker. S 3282 by Senator Lawson is the Senate by Senator Lawson is the Senate duplicate of the bill we just duplicate of the bill we just passed.

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This is another good passed. This is another good bill, and I move passage. bill, and I move passage. Chair Donovan moves passage of Chair Donovan moves passage of the act that a second by leader the act that a second by leader Kazan. Representative McGaw a Kazan. Representative McGaw a chair. Fogarty.

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The act is chair. Fogarty. The act is moved and seconded. There are moved and seconded. There are no lights. Click. Please unlock no lights. Click. Please unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote. Green. Any please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine.

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Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 63 in favor, six There are 63 in favor, six opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item eight. Number 7938. Item eight. Number 7938. Chair. Donovan, please. Chair. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 87938 Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 87938 is by representative Bill.

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This is by representative Bill. This bill offers examinations for bill offers examinations for the licensing of certified the licensing of certified nursing assistants in both nursing assistants in both English and Spanish formats. English and Spanish formats. This is formats. This is a This is formats. This is a great bill and I move passage.

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great bill and I move passage. Chair Donovan moves passage of Chair Donovan moves passage of the act that seconded by leader the act that seconded by leader Kazan. Representative cornbread Kazan. Representative cornbread represent Virginia represent Virginia representative BIA representative BIA representative Carson. The act representative Carson. The act is moved and seconded.

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Oh, is moved and seconded. Oh, sorry. Chair Bennett as well. sorry. Chair Bennett as well. Representative Lima, please. Representative Lima, please. Uh, number seven in the Uh, number seven in the affirmative, please. affirmative, please. Will that change? The outcome Will that change? The outcome will not change the outcome. So will not change the outcome. So ordered without objection.

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ordered without objection. Representative Sanchez, please. Representative Sanchez, please. Thank you. Speaker, I stand in Thank you. Speaker, I stand in strong support and thank strong support and thank Representative BIA for Representative BIA for introducing this legislation. introducing this legislation.

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Uh, throughout the last few Uh, throughout the last few years since the pandemic, uh, years since the pandemic, uh, we've been seeing, uh, a lack we've been seeing, uh, a lack of workers and the lack of of workers and the lack of employee employment employees employee employment employees who have a hard time working at who have a hard time working at these nursing homes, medical these nursing homes, medical facilities, provision, health

542
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facilities, provision, health care centers, uh, because of care centers, uh, because of the language barrier. Uh, a lot the language barrier. Uh, a lot of those problems have been of those problems have been carrying over to Rhode Island, carrying over to Rhode Island, and we've been seeing a lot of,

543
01:39:29,230 --> 01:39:41,010
and we've been seeing a lot of, uh, individuals who have been uh, individuals who have been going to Massachusetts to get going to Massachusetts to get that English, Spanish or other that English, Spanish or other languages certification or that languages certification or that or that experience. So, uh, or that experience.

544
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So, uh, thank you, Representative BIA, thank you, Representative BIA, for putting in this bill, for putting in this bill, because this expands the because this expands the eligibility requirements and eligibility requirements and also creates a road towards also creates a road towards receiving the certification in receiving the certification in both English and Spanish. Thank both English and Spanish. Thank you.

545
01:39:53,520 --> 01:40:03,660
you. Thank you. Representative. The Thank you. Representative. The act is moved and seconded. act is moved and seconded. There is a light leader There is a light leader Chippendale, please. Chippendale, please. Uh thank you. Speaker I have a Uh thank you.

546
01:40:03,660 --> 01:40:15,580
Speaker I have a question and frankly, I don't question and frankly, I don't care who answers it as long as care who answers it as long as it's a good answer. Um, I it's a good answer.

547
01:40:15,580 --> 01:40:28,220
Um, I recall, and I don't remember recall, and I don't remember the details, but I recall the details, but I recall learning that, um, tests and learning that, um, tests and this, I believe, was a CNA test this, I believe, was a CNA test as well as, uh, the NCLEX, uh, as well as, uh, the NCLEX, uh, were given strictly in English, were given strictly in English, and the explanation made sense and the explanation made sense to me. Um.

548
01:40:28,220 --> 01:40:41,770
Were there any to me. Um. Were there any professional entities who offer professional entities who offer testimony in opposition to this testimony in opposition to this based on those grounds? I, I based on those grounds? I, I see we have a need, uh, in see we have a need, uh, in healthcare, in education healthcare, in education everywhere.

549
01:40:41,770 --> 01:40:49,110
For more Spanish everywhere. For more Spanish speaking practitioners. So speaking practitioners. So there's a there's a need for there's a there's a need for sure, but I'm curious about sure, but I'm curious about that. And I wish I could recall that. And I wish I could recall all the details on why.

550
01:40:49,110 --> 01:41:06,130
But all the details on why. But professional agencies, did professional agencies, did anyone come out in opposition anyone come out in opposition on those grounds? on those grounds? The chair or sponsor yield? The The chair or sponsor yield? The chair will yield. Chair chair will yield. Chair Donovan, please. Donovan, please.

551
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Could you ask the question Could you ask the question again? again? Certainly. Did any entities Certainly. Did any entities that are professional licensing that are professional licensing or professional groups in in in or professional groups in in in medical administration or medical administration or health care administration, uh, health care administration, uh, speak out in opposition or

552
01:41:18,740 --> 01:41:26,610
speak out in opposition or express concern? express concern? I don't believe so. I don't believe so. And well, that's not. And well, that's not. Very real. That's not very Very real. That's not very good. No. Um, I'd have to go good. No. Um, I'd have to go back to read it. Read it over.

553
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back to read it. Read it over. No. You're saying no. No. Okay. No. You're saying no. No. Okay. I recall from the hearing that I recall from the hearing that at this bill was well received. at this bill was well received. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you.

554
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much. Thank you. Speaker. Thank you. Leader. Speaker. Thank you. Leader. Thank you. Chair. There are no Thank you. Chair. There are no lights. Click, please unlock lights. Click, please unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote. Green. Any please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red.

555
01:41:50,600 --> 01:42:02,880
opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 68 in favor, zero There are 68 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item nine, number 8545. Item nine, number 8545. Chair. Donovan, please. Chair. Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

556
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8545 by Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8545 by Deputy Whip Ackerman. This Deputy Whip Ackerman. This provides that all licensed provides that all licensed physician's assistants, physician's assistants, licensed physicians and nurses licensed physicians and nurses on each license renewal period on each license renewal period complete a minimum of one hour complete a minimum of one hour of instruction on the

557
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of instruction on the diagnosis, treatment and care diagnosis, treatment and care of patients with cognitive of patients with cognitive impairments. This is widely impairments. This is widely supported as a way to identify supported as a way to identify a number of diseases, but a number of diseases, but particularly Alzheimer's particularly Alzheimer's disease.

558
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:38,090
Um, I move passage of disease. Um, I move passage of this bill, Mr. Speaker, but I this bill, Mr. Speaker, but I also have a floor amendment at also have a floor amendment at the appropriate time. the appropriate time. Chair Dunham moves passage of Chair Dunham moves passage of the act that's seconded by the act that's seconded by Leader Kazarian.

559
01:42:38,090 --> 01:42:55,070
Deputy Leader Kazarian. Deputy Ackerman, representative Ackerman, representative O'Brien, chair McNamara. O'Brien, chair McNamara. Representative Boylan, Act is Representative Boylan, Act is moved and seconded. Chair moved and seconded. Chair Donovan for an amendment. Donovan for an amendment. Okay, I move amendment LC Okay, I move amendment LC 0064342. 0064342.

560
01:42:55,070 --> 01:43:02,380
Chair Donovan moves LC 0064342 Chair Donovan moves LC 0064342 that seconded by Leader that seconded by Leader Kazarian. Explanation, please. Kazarian. Explanation, please. Chair. Yes. This amendment is Chair. Yes.

561
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This amendment is at the request of the at the request of the Department of Health, and it Department of Health, and it removes certain providers from removes certain providers from the training requirements for the training requirements for for practitioners in the area. for practitioners in the area. Pediatrics, radiology and Pediatrics, radiology and pathology. It also amends the pathology. It also amends the instruction requirement from instruction requirement from every renewal cycle to every every renewal cycle to every other renewal cycle.

562
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So this is other renewal cycle. So this is a good amendment. And I move a good amendment. And I move passage as well as the bill. passage as well as the bill. Chair Donovan has moved passage Chair Donovan has moved passage of the amendment, which has of the amendment, which has already been seconded.

563
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There already been seconded. There are no lights on the amendment. are no lights on the amendment. Clerk, please unlock the Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in favor of the machine. All in favor of the amendment, please vote. Green. amendment, please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clark, please lock the machine.

564
01:43:38,450 --> 01:43:45,290
Clark, please lock the machine. There are 68 in favor, zero There are 68 in favor, zero opposed. The amendment opposed. The amendment prevails. Now we are back on prevails. Now we are back on the amended act. There are no the amended act. There are no lights. Click. Please unlock lights. Click. Please unlock the machine.

565
01:43:45,290 --> 01:44:04,540
All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote. Green. Any please vote. Green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 6869 in favor, zero. There are 6869 in favor, zero. Oppose. The amended act Oppose. The amended act prevails. Next item, please.

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prevails. Next item, please. Item ten, number 8568. Item ten, number 8568. Chair Donovan, please. Chair Donovan, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8568 is Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8568 is also by Deputy Whip Ackerman. also by Deputy Whip Ackerman.

567
01:44:17,180 --> 01:44:27,130
This provides for a specific This provides for a specific list of protocols to be list of protocols to be followed for Alzheimer's care. followed for Alzheimer's care. It is hoped that we can It is hoped that we can identify conditions and identify conditions and diseases that cause dementia. diseases that cause dementia.

568
01:44:27,130 --> 01:44:34,870
And it's really important And it's really important because Rhode Island is has a because Rhode Island is has a growing elderly population. growing elderly population. This is a great bill. And I This is a great bill. And I move passage. move passage.

569
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Chair Donovan, with passage of Chair Donovan, with passage of the act, seconded by leader the act, seconded by leader Kazarian, Representative Kazarian, Representative Carson, Representative Carter, Carson, Representative Carter, Representative Allen. Representative Allen. Representative hand chair Representative hand chair McNamara. Deputy whip Ackerman. McNamara. Deputy whip Ackerman. Chair. Fogarty. Representative. Chair. Fogarty. Representative. Friend. Act is moved and Friend. Act is moved and seconded. There are no lights. seconded. There are no lights. Please unlock the machine.

570
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All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 69 in favor, 70 in There are 69 in favor, 70 in favor, zero oppose.

571
01:44:59,090 --> 01:45:11,370
The act favor, zero oppose. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item 11. Senate 331 for. Item 11. Senate 331 for. Charles. Charles. 80, please. 80, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

572
01:45:11,370 --> 01:45:22,180
How Senate Bill 3314 by senators Senate Bill 3314 by senators would allow Kimberly Gafford to would allow Kimberly Gafford to join Bonnie, Phyllis Nolan and join Bonnie, Phyllis Nolan and David Spicer in marriage on or David Spicer in marriage on or about October 3rd, 2026, within about October 3rd, 2026, within the town of New Shoreham. It's the town of New Shoreham. It's a good bill and I move passage.

573
01:45:22,180 --> 01:45:29,090
a good bill and I move passage. Gerald moves passage I second Gerald moves passage I second by leader Kazarian. There are by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Clickers unlock the no lights. Clickers unlock the machine. All in favor of the machine. All in favor of the act. Please vote green.

574
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Any act. Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote. Read. opposed? Please vote. Read. Clerk, please lock the machine Clerk, please lock the machine there. 70 in favor, zero there. 70 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item 12, number 8602. Item 12, number 8602. Charles County. Charles County. Please.

575
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Please. House Bill 8602 by chairwoman House Bill 8602 by chairwoman McEntee would allow Noah David McEntee would allow Noah David Lloyd to join Lucia Helen Gavin Lloyd to join Lucia Helen Gavin given and Noah Alexander given and Noah Alexander Morawski in marriage within the Morawski in marriage within the town of Narragansett on or

576
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town of Narragansett on or about September 27th, 2026. about September 27th, 2026. It's a good bill and I move It's a good bill and I move passage. passage.

577
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Charles, that moves passage of Charles, that moves passage of the act that is seconded by the act that is seconded by leader Kazarian and Chair leader Kazarian and Chair McEntee as well. Act is moved McEntee as well. Act is moved and seconded. There are no and seconded. There are no lights cookies on the machine. lights cookies on the machine. All in favor, please vote All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please green. Any opposed? Please vote. Read. Clerk.

578
01:46:26,710 --> 01:46:37,790
Lock the vote. Read. Clerk. Lock the machine. There are 69 in favor, machine. There are 69 in favor, zero oppose. The act prevails. zero oppose. The act prevails. Next item. Next item. Item 13, number 7229. Item 13, number 7229. Charles de. Charles de. Please. House bill 7229 by Please.

579
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House bill 7229 by Representative Facia would Representative Facia would create a special license plate create a special license plate for the charity Real access for the charity Real access motivates progress. It's a good motivates progress. It's a good bill and I move passage. bill and I move passage.

580
01:46:46,730 --> 01:47:04,550
Charles item was passage of the Charles item was passage of the act that's seconded by leader act that's seconded by leader Kazarian and Representative Kazarian and Representative Handy. The act is moved and Handy. The act is moved and seconded. There are no lights. seconded. There are no lights. Please unlock the machine. All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red.

581
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:16,500
Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, lock the machine. There Clerk, lock the machine. There are 66 in favor, one opposed. are 66 in favor, one opposed. The act prevails. Next item. The act prevails. Next item. Item 14. Senate 2185. Item 14. Senate 2185. Charles, please. Charles, please.

582
01:47:16,500 --> 01:47:25,910
Senate Bill 212185 by Senator Senate Bill 212185 by Senator Dmitri. Is the Senate duplicate Dmitri. Is the Senate duplicate of House Bill 229, which we of House Bill 229, which we just passed. It's a good bill just passed. It's a good bill and I move passage. and I move passage.

583
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Time is passage of the act, the Time is passage of the act, the second by leader Kazarian. second by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Please There are no lights. Please unlock the machine. All in unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine.

584
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Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 67 in favor, one There are 67 in favor, one opposed. The act prevails. opposed. The act prevails. Next item. Item 15. Senate Next item. Item 15. Senate 2176. 2176. Charles, please. Charles, please.

585
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Senate bill 212176 by Senator Senate bill 212176 by Senator Demario is a Senate duplicate Demario is a Senate duplicate of House Bill 7571 sub eight, of House Bill 7571 sub eight, which we passed last week and which we passed last week and would create a license plate would create a license plate for the friends of the Historic for the friends of the Historic Narragansett Towers.

586
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It's a Narragansett Towers. It's a good bill and I move passage. good bill and I move passage. Charles moves passage of the Charles moves passage of the act that seconded by leader act that seconded by leader Kazarian uh Representative Kazarian uh Representative Tansy as well.

587
01:48:09,820 --> 01:48:24,330
Act is moved and Tansy as well. Act is moved and seconded. There are no lights. seconded. There are no lights. Clippers. Unlock the machine. Clippers. Unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative McGough, red. Representative McGough, please vote.

588
01:48:24,330 --> 01:48:34,640
Clerk, please lock please vote. Clerk, please lock the machine. There was 69 in the machine. There was 69 in favor of zero. Opposed. The act favor of zero. Opposed. The act prevails. prevails. Next item. Item 16. Senate Next item. Item 16. Senate 2333. 2333. Charles, please. Charles, please.

589
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:44,520
Senate bill 2333 by Senator Senate bill 2333 by Senator LaMontagne is a Senate LaMontagne is a Senate duplicate of House Bill 7780. duplicate of House Bill 7780.

590
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Sub uh, which we passed last Sub uh, which we passed last week and were created a license week and were created a license plate for the Rhode Island plate for the Rhode Island Hockey Hall of Fame. It's a Hockey Hall of Fame. It's a good bill. And I moved passage. good bill. And I moved passage. Charles moves passage of the Charles moves passage of the act at a second by leader act at a second by leader Kazarian and chair Fogarty.

591
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Kazarian and chair Fogarty. Representative boyfriend, Representative boyfriend, Representative Spears. The act Representative Spears. The act is moved and seconded. There is moved and seconded. There are no lights. Click on lock are no lights. Click on lock the Machine. All in favor, the Machine. All in favor, please vote green.

592
01:48:58,670 --> 01:49:16,780
Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 68 lock the machine. There are 68 in favor, zero opposed. The act in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item 17, number 7976. Item 17, number 7976. Charles. Charles. Please.

593
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Please. House bill 7976 by Chairwoman House bill 7976 by Chairwoman Fogarty were renamed the Fogarty were renamed the University of Rhode Island's University of Rhode Island's football practice field as the football practice field as the Mark S Cruz 8184. Football Mark S Cruz 8184. Football seven practice field.

594
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It's a seven practice field. It's a good bill and I move passage. good bill and I move passage. 18 was passage of the act I 18 was passage of the act I seconded by leader Kazarian. seconded by leader Kazarian. Act is moved and seconded. Act is moved and seconded. There are no lights.

595
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Kirklees, There are no lights. Kirklees, unlock the machine. All in unlock the machine. All in favor please vote green. Any favor please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Click opposed? Please vote red. Click the machine. There are 68 in the machine. There are 68 in favor, zero opposed. The act favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item.

596
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prevails. Next item. Item 18. Senate 2758. Item 18. Senate 2758. Please. Please. Uh, Senate Bill 2750 by Senator Uh, Senate Bill 2750 by Senator Salazar. Is the Senate Salazar. Is the Senate duplicate of House Bill 7976, duplicate of House Bill 7976, which we just passed.

597
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It's a which we just passed. It's a good bill. And when I move good bill. And when I move passage. passage. Charles 18 was passed in the Charles 18 was passed in the act that is seconded by leader act that is seconded by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Kazarian. There are no lights. Please unlock the machine.

598
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:26,820
All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine Clerk, please lock the machine there. 69 in favor, zero there. 69 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item.

599
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item. Item 19, number 8451. Item 19, number 8451. Sub a chair. Bennett, please. Sub a chair. Bennett, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House resolution 8451 sub eight is resolution 8451 sub eight is sponsored by Representative sponsored by Representative Spears. It would direct the Spears.

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It would direct the Department of Environmental Department of Environmental Management to work with the Management to work with the town of New Shoreham to develop town of New Shoreham to develop a regulatory framework to a regulatory framework to reduce tick borne illnesses on reduce tick borne illnesses on Block Island. This is a good Block Island. This is a good resolution. I moved passage.

601
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resolution. I moved passage. Chair Bennett moves passage Chair Bennett moves passage that is seconded by leader, that is seconded by leader, because Aaron will use the because Aaron will use the green button on that. Please green button on that. Please unlock the machine. Everyone unlock the machine. Everyone hit the green button.

602
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I would hit the green button. I would like to second. Clerk please like to second. Clerk please lock the machine. There are 28 lock the machine. There are 28 seconds. The resolution has seconds. The resolution has been moved and seconded. There been moved and seconded. There are no lights.

603
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Clerk, please are no lights. Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 69 in favor. Zero There are 69 in favor. Zero opposed.

604
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The resolution opposed. The resolution prevails. prevails. Next item, item 20, number Next item, item 20, number 7731. Sub a chair. 7731. Sub a chair. McNamara, please. McNamara, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 7731. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 7731. Substitute a by representative Substitute a by representative Reed. Reed.

605
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Would amend the composition of Would amend the composition of the Rhode Island School Safety the Rhode Island School Safety Committee by adding an Committee by adding an additional member who is a additional member who is a representative of the Rhode representative of the Rhode Island School Resource Officers Island School Resource Officers Association. It's a good idea.

606
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Association. It's a good idea. I move passage. I move passage. Chair McNamara, pastor of the Chair McNamara, pastor of the act that secondary leader act that secondary leader representative be Chair Gavazzi, representative be Chair Gavazzi, representative O'Brien, as well representative O'Brien, as well act as moved and seconded. act as moved and seconded. There are no lights. Clerk.

607
01:52:03,620 --> 01:52:19,800
There are no lights. Clerk. Please unlock the machine. All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative crews, please Representative crews, please vote. Clerk, please lock the vote. Clerk, please lock the machine.

608
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There are 69 in favor, machine. There are 69 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item. Next item. Item 21. Senate 2209. Sub a Item 21. Senate 2209. Sub a chair. chair. McNamara, please. McNamara, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Senate 2209.

609
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Substitute A is identical 2209. Substitute A is identical to the bill we just voted on. I to the bill we just voted on. I moved passage. moved passage. Chair McNamara moves passage Chair McNamara moves passage that a second by leader that a second by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Kazarian. There are no lights. Please unlock the machine.

610
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All Please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative crews, please Representative crews, please vote. Clerk, please lock the vote. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 71 in favor, machine. There are 71 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails.

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zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item, item 22, number Next item, item 22, number 8326. 8326. Chair McNamara, please. Chair McNamara, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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House bill 8326 by representative bill 8326 by representative Bill would provide that any Bill would provide that any school days that a school is school days that a school is closed due to a declared closed due to a declared emergency would be deemed emergency would be deemed excuse for purposes of excuse for purposes of compliance with minimum school compliance with minimum school requirement calendars. Mr. requirement calendars. Mr.

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speaker, it's a little bit late speaker, it's a little bit late for us in high school, but for us in high school, but principal Bill is taking care principal Bill is taking care of business with this one. of business with this one. There was no opposition. I There was no opposition. I moved passage. moved passage.

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Chair McNamara was passage of Chair McNamara was passage of the act that a second by Leader the act that a second by Leader Kazarian. Chair call Kazarian. Chair call representative O'Brien representative O'Brien represent Giraldo as well. represent Giraldo as well. Representative, please. Representative, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question either for the chair Question either for the chair or for the sponsor. or for the sponsor. Will the chair yield? The chair Will the chair yield? The chair will yield. will yield. Thank you. Just I was looking Thank you.

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Just I was looking through the written testimony, through the written testimony, and I didn't see anything from and I didn't see anything from the Department of Education. the Department of Education. And so I was just interested to And so I was just interested to know if we had heard anything know if we had heard anything from them about. from them about.

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Supported by Rhode Island Supported by Rhode Island Department of Education, NEA Department of Education, NEA and AFT. and AFT. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you representative. Thank Thank you representative. Thank you. Chair. There are no you. Chair. There are no lights. Click, please unlock lights. Click, please unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote green.

618
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Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative Please vote red. Representative McGaw, please vote clerk. Lock McGaw, please vote clerk. Lock the machine. There are 71 in the machine. There are 71 in favor, zero opposed. The act favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. prevails. Next item.

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Item 23, number 789 Next item. Item 23, number 789 for Sub. for Sub. Chair McNamara, please. Chair McNamara, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 7894. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 7894. Substitute a by Chairman Casey Substitute a by Chairman Casey would require public schools to would require public schools to give certain youth give certain youth organizations limited access

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organizations limited access for recruitment and brief for recruitment and brief student presentation with student presentation with parent parental notice, while parent parental notice, while preserving school safety. preserving school safety. Discretion. These organizations Discretion.

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These organizations are the Boy Scouts of America, are the Boy Scouts of America, Girl Scouts of America, Boys Girl Scouts of America, Boys and Girls Clubs of America. I and Girls Clubs of America. I Move passage. Move passage. Chair McNamara moves. Passage Chair McNamara moves. Passage of the act I, seconded by of the act I, seconded by Leader Kazarian and Leader Kazarian and Representative Breen as well. Representative Breen as well. There are no cookies.

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Unlock There are no cookies. Unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Represented Please vote red. Represented Boylan. Please vote. Clerk. Boylan. Please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine. There Please lock the machine. There are 71 in favor, zero opposed.

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are 71 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. The act prevails. Next item. Item 24, number Next item. Item 24, number 8430. Sub a chair. 8430. Sub a chair. McNamara. McNamara. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8430. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. 8430.

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Substitute a by Representative Substitute a by Representative Carter Van would create a Carter Van would create a special legislative commission special legislative commission whose purpose would be to study whose purpose would be to study and provide recommendations and provide recommendations relating to shared services relating to shared services between Rhode Island school between Rhode Island school districts. And we report its districts.

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And we report its findings and recommendations to findings and recommendations to the House of Representatives no the House of Representatives no later than April 30th, 2027. later than April 30th, 2027. I've moved passage, Mr. I've moved passage, Mr. speaker. There was no speaker.

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There was no opposition to this, and at the opposition to this, and at the proper time, I have an proper time, I have an amendment. amendment. Chair McNamara moves passage I Chair McNamara moves passage I seconded by deputy. We're back. seconded by deputy. We're back. Representative leader. Representative leader. Kazarian. Chair. Donovan. Kazarian. Chair. Donovan. Representative Carlson, act as Representative Carlson, act as moved. Executive chair McNamara moved. Executive chair McNamara for an amendment.

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for an amendment. The amendment is LC 006292. The amendment is LC 006292. Backslash two. It simply states Backslash two. It simply states this it changes an act to a this it changes an act to a House resolution. I move House resolution. I move passage of the amendment. passage of the amendment.

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Chair McNamara moves passage of Chair McNamara moves passage of LC 006962922, seconded by LC 006962922, seconded by leader Kazarian. Representative leader Kazarian. Representative corporate. The amendment has corporate. The amendment has been moved and seconded. There been moved and seconded. There are no clerk. Please unlock the are no clerk. Please unlock the machine.

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All in favor of the machine. All in favor of the amendment, please vote green. amendment, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Chair Fogarty, please vote Chair Fogarty, please vote Chair Diaz. Please vote. Clerk. Chair Diaz. Please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine. There Please lock the machine. There are 71 in favor, zero opposed.

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are 71 in favor, zero opposed. The amendment prevails. We are The amendment prevails. We are back on to the amended back on to the amended resolution. Clerk, please resolution. Clerk, please unlock the machine. There are unlock the machine. There are no. Please unlock the machine. no. Please unlock the machine.

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All in favor, please vote All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk. We thought the red. Clerk. We thought the machine. There are 71 in favor. machine. There are 71 in favor. Zero opposed the amended Zero opposed the amended resolution. Purveyors. resolution. Purveyors. Next item.

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Item 25, number Next item. Item 25, number 8586. Obey. 8586. Obey. Chair O'Brien, please. Chair O'Brien, please. Thank you. Thank you. Speaker. This bill comes to us Speaker. This bill comes to us from representative De Simone. from representative De Simone. He'll provide that motor He'll provide that motor vehicle. vehicle.

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Rental companies will not be Rental companies will not be responsible for, uh, total responsible for, uh, total violations, administrative fees violations, administrative fees and fines that are racked up by and fines that are racked up by the lessee. This is a good the lessee. This is a good business bill. It passed with business bill.

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It passed with no opposition, and I move no opposition, and I move passage. passage. Chair Brian moves passage of Chair Brian moves passage of the act. A second by leader the act. A second by leader Kazarian. Representative McGaw Kazarian. Representative McGaw act is moved and seconded. act is moved and seconded. There are no lies.

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Clerk on the There are no lies. Clerk on the machine. All in favor? Please machine. All in favor? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative, vote red. Representative, please vote. Clerk. Please lock please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine. There are 69 in the machine. There are 69 in favor. One opposed.

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The act favor. One opposed. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item 26. Senate 3166. Obey. Item 26. Senate 3166. Obey. Chair O'Brien, please. Chair O'Brien, please. Thank you. Speaker. This is the Thank you. Speaker. This is the Senate. Due by Leda Ciccone. Senate. Due by Leda Ciccone. And I move passage.

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And I move passage. Joe O'Brien moves passage of Joe O'Brien moves passage of the act that a second by leader the act that a second by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Kazarian. There are no lights. Clark, please unlock the Clark, please unlock the machine.

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All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine there. 69 favor. the machine there. 69 favor. One opposed. The act prevails. One opposed. The act prevails. Next item. Next item. Item 27, number 7269. Sub a.

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Item 27, number 7269. Sub a. Chair. Solomon, please. Chair. Solomon, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House Thank you, Mr. Speaker. House bill 7269. Substitute a by bill 7269.

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Substitute a by Chairwoman Speakman would allow Chairwoman Speakman would allow the use of portable solar the use of portable solar generation units to be exempt generation units to be exempt from interconnection standards from interconnection standards in net metering requirements. in net metering requirements. There was no opposition to the There was no opposition to the bill. There was overwhelming bill.

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There was overwhelming support, though, from the Rhode support, though, from the Rhode Island Office of Energy Island Office of Energy Resources, ISO New England and Resources, ISO New England and Climate Action RI and I move Climate Action RI and I move passage. passage.

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Jess Ormond was passage of the Jess Ormond was passage of the act that second by leader act that second by leader Kazarian and will use the green Kazarian and will use the green button clerk unlock the machine button clerk unlock the machine and you would like to second. and you would like to second. Please hit the green button. Please hit the green button. Clerk please lock the machine. Clerk please lock the machine. There are 42 seconds. There are 42 seconds. There are no lights.

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There are no lights. There are no lights. Clerk There are no lights. Clerk please unlock the machine. All please unlock the machine. All in favor of the act. Peaceful in favor of the act. Peaceful green. Any opposed? Please green. Any opposed? Please vote. Red. Chair. Please vote. vote. Red. Chair. Please vote. Clark, please lock the machine.

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Clark, please lock the machine. There are 70 in favor, zero There are 70 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next opposed. The act prevails. Next item. item. Item 28, number 7879. Sub a. Item 28, number 7879. Sub a. I think we just did item 28.

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I think we just did item 28. Are we on number 29 now? Are we on number 29 now? Uh, 28. Uh, 28. My apologies, chair Solomon, My apologies, chair Solomon, please. Thank. please. Thank.

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House bills 78796 a day by House bills 78796 a day by Representative Corvin would Representative Corvin would establish the thermal Energy establish the thermal Energy Network and Jobs Act to Network and Jobs Act to facilitate the study of this facilitate the study of this technology. In an effort to technology.

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In an effort to determine if these goals can be determine if these goals can be met by the implementation of met by the implementation of thermal energy networks in thermal energy networks in Rhode Island. The bill was Rhode Island. The bill was supported by the Conservation supported by the Conservation Law Foundation as well as the Law Foundation as well as the AFL-CIO, and I move Passage AFL-CIO, and I move Passage chair. chair.

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Salmon was passage of the act I Salmon was passage of the act I second by Leader Kazarian. second by Leader Kazarian. Chair Donovan. Representative Chair Donovan. Representative Speakman, Representative Speakman, Representative Carson, representative friend, Carson, representative friend, representative Kislyak, representative Kislyak, representing Speers, Chair representing Speers, Chair Fogarty and chairman. Bennett. Fogarty and chairman. Bennett. There are no lights.

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Please There are no lights. Please unlock the machine. All in unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote. opposed? Please vote. Red. Red. Clerk, please lock the machine. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 70 in favor, one There are 70 in favor, one opposed. The act prevails.

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opposed. The act prevails. Next item. Item 29. Senate 3080 Next item. Item 29. Senate 3080 sub b. sub b. Joe Salmon, please. Joe Salmon, please. Senate 3080. Sub B is a Senate 3080. Sub B is a duplicate of the bill that we duplicate of the bill that we just passed.

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And I move just passed. And I move passage. passage. Just amendments passage of the Just amendments passage of the act that a second by leader act that a second by leader Kazarian and chair Bennett as Kazarian and chair Bennett as well. The act is moved and well. The act is moved and seconded.

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There are no lights seconded. There are no lights on the machine. All in favor, on the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk. The Please vote red. Clerk. The machine. There are 70 in favor, machine. There are 70 in favor, one opposed. The act prevails.

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one opposed. The act prevails. Next item. Next item. Item 30, number 7020. Item 30, number 7020. Chair. Salmon, please. Chair. Salmon, please. House Bill 7020 by Leader Breen House Bill 7020 by Leader Breen Would establish a veterinarian Would establish a veterinarian client patient relationship client patient relationship through electronic means, through electronic means, subject to limitations and

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subject to limitations and requirements. Through requirements. Through testimony, it was stated that testimony, it was stated that approximately one third of all approximately one third of all pets in the United States do pets in the United States do not see a veterinarian not see a veterinarian regularly.

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In a recent PetSmart regularly. In a recent PetSmart Charities Gallup study found Charities Gallup study found that over 52% of U.S. pet have that over 52% of U.S. pet have either skipped or declined either skipped or declined necessary veterinarian care for necessary veterinarian care for their pets, with many expressed their pets, with many expressed an interest in non-traditional

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an interest in non-traditional care delivery methods like care delivery methods like telemedicine. Medicine to help telemedicine. Medicine to help address barriers in clinical address barriers in clinical care. And a leader has worked care.

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And a leader has worked very hard on this legislation, very hard on this legislation, which has been supported by the which has been supported by the Rhode Island Society for the Rhode Island Society for the Prevention of Cruelty for Prevention of Cruelty for animals, as well as the League animals, as well as the League for animals, and this bill also for animals, and this bill also passed unanimously in 2025.

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And passed unanimously in 2025. And I moved passage. I moved passage. Jessamine was passage of the Jessamine was passage of the act that is seconded by leader act that is seconded by leader Kazarian, and will use the Kazarian, and will use the green button. Click please green button.

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Click please unlock the machine, all in unlock the machine, all in favor of the act, all in favor favor of the act, all in favor of seconding the act. Please of seconding the act. Please hit the green button. Clerks, hit the green button. Clerks, please lock the machine there. please lock the machine there. 53 seconds.

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The act is moved 53 seconds. The act is moved and seconded. There are no and seconded. There are no lights. Click. Bees unlock the lights. Click. Bees unlock the machine. All in favor of the machine. All in favor of the act, please vote green. Any act, please vote green. Any opposed? We vote red.

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Please opposed? We vote red. Please vote representative votes. vote representative votes. Please vote. Clerk, please lock Please vote. Clerk, please lock the machine. There are 70 in the machine. There are 70 in favor, zero opposed. The act favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item. prevails. Next item. Item 31, number 7866. Item 31, number 7866. Solomon, please.

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Solomon, please. 7866. By chairwoman Baginski 7866. By chairwoman Baginski would allow a consumer to would allow a consumer to choose whether their motor choose whether their motor vehicles should be designated vehicles should be designated or total loss when the cost to or total loss when the cost to rebuild their motor vehicle is

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rebuild their motor vehicle is less than is between 75% to 85% less than is between 75% to 85% of the fair market value of the of the fair market value of the vehicle, with the retail cost vehicle, with the retail cost of a new or used car being

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of a new or used car being prohibitive for many consumers, prohibitive for many consumers, it's vital that they have the it's vital that they have the choice whether to repair their choice whether to repair their cars that they have maintained cars that they have maintained and cared for. I move passage.

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and cared for. I move passage. Just almond was passage of the Just almond was passage of the act that is seconded by leader act that is seconded by leader Kazarian, represented byA. An Kazarian, represented byA. An act is moved and seconded. act is moved and seconded. There are no lights.

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Clerk, There are no lights. Clerk, please unlock the machine. All please unlock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative Carson, please Representative Carson, please vote. Leadership and data. vote. Leadership and data. Please vote. Representative Please vote. Representative Carson, please vote.

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Clerk, Carson, please vote. Clerk, please lock the machine. There please lock the machine. There are 66 in favor, four opposed. are 66 in favor, four opposed. The act prevails. Next item. The act prevails. Next item. Item 32. Senate 3115. Item 32. Senate 3115. Chest. Please. Chest. Please. Send it.

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3115 by Senator Gallo Send it. 3115 by Senator Gallo is an exact duplicate of the is an exact duplicate of the bill that we just passed. And I bill that we just passed. And I move passage. move passage.

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Just almond was passage of the Just almond was passage of the act that seconded by leader act that seconded by leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Kazarian. There are no lights. Clerk, please unlock the Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Clerk, please lock vote red. Clerk, please lock the machine.

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There are 66 in the machine. There are 66 in favor, four opposed. The act favor, four opposed. The act prevails. prevails. Next item. Item 33. Number Next item. Item 33. Number 7840. Sub a. 7840. Sub a. Chest almond, please. Chest almond, please. 7840. Sub by representative De 7840.

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Sub by representative De Simone would require any person Simone would require any person who is in the business of who is in the business of selling a signing or buying an selling a signing or buying an equitable interest in real equitable interest in real estate without taking legal estate without taking legal title to such property. Be title to such property.

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Be licensed as a real estate licensed as a real estate broker or a salesperson, and to broker or a salesperson, and to comply with the disclosure comply with the disclosure requirements and cancellation requirements and cancellation provisions as mandated, Sachs provisions as mandated, Sachs would take effect on January would take effect on January 1st, 2027 to the Consumer

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1st, 2027 to the Consumer Protection Bill, and I move Protection Bill, and I move passage. passage. Chair Solomon moves passage of Chair Solomon moves passage of the act that, seconded by the act that, seconded by leader Kazarian, there are no leader Kazarian, there are no lights.

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Clerk please unlock the lights. Clerk please unlock the machine. All in favor, please machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Representative, vote red. Representative, please vote. Representative please vote. Representative Roberts, please vote. Clerk. Roberts, please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine.

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There Please lock the machine. There are 71 in favor, zero opposed. are 71 in favor, zero opposed. The act prevails. Next item. The act prevails. Next item. Item 34. Senate 3136. Sub a. Item 34. Senate 3136. Sub a. Chest almond, please. Chest almond, please. Set it. 3136.

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Substitute A is Set it. 3136. Substitute A is an exact duplicate of the bill an exact duplicate of the bill that we just passed and I move that we just passed and I move passage. passage.

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Just almond moves passage of Just almond moves passage of the act that I seconded by the act that I seconded by leader Kazarian. There are no leader Kazarian. There are no lights. Clerk, please unlock lights. Clerk, please unlock the machine. All in favor, the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any opposed? please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. Please vote. Please vote red. Please vote. Clerk.

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Please lock the machine Clerk. Please lock the machine there. 70 in favor. One to there. 70 in favor. One to oppose. The act prevails. If oppose. The act prevails. If you refresh this one additional you refresh this one additional item on your calendar. item on your calendar. Item 35 Senate 3036 sub. Item 35 Senate 3036 sub. A chair McEntee, please.

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A chair McEntee, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oh, Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oh, where is it? Sorry. Um, Senate where is it? Sorry. Um, Senate Bill 3036. Substitute A comes Bill 3036.

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Substitute A comes to us from Senator Brazilian to us from Senator Brazilian and it's the exact duplicate of and it's the exact duplicate of Representative Craven's bill. Representative Craven's bill. That was number two on the That was number two on the amendment on the agenda amendment on the agenda regarding the expungement of regarding the expungement of criminal records. It's a good criminal records. It's a good bill, Mr. speaker.

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I move bill, Mr. speaker. I move passage. passage. Chair McKinney moves passage of Chair McKinney moves passage of the act a second by leader the act a second by leader Kazarian. Representative Kazarian. Representative O'Brien, are you on the act? O'Brien, are you on the act? Permanent item number one. We Permanent item number one. We will not change the outcome.

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will not change the outcome. Without objection. So ordered. Without objection. So ordered. There are no lights. Click this There are no lights. Click this and lock the machine. All in and lock the machine. All in favor, please vote green. Any favor, please vote green. Any opposed? Please vote red. opposed? Please vote red. Chair. Please vote. Clerk.

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Chair. Please vote. Clerk. Please lock the machine there. Please lock the machine there. 56 in favor, 14 opposed. The 56 in favor, 14 opposed. The act prevails. Believe. That act prevails. Believe. That concludes our calendar. Clerk. concludes our calendar. Clerk. We are now on to announcements We are now on to announcements and introductions.

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and introductions. Representative of God. Please. Representative of God. Please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If I could be recorded as could be recorded as affirmative on item number affirmative on item number four, it will not change the four, it will not change the outcome. outcome. Without objection.

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So ordered Without objection. So ordered representative jello, please. representative jello, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to adjourn in memory of like to adjourn in memory of former Brown University former Brown University professor Gordon. Wood, a professor Gordon.

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Wood, a highly respected historian and highly respected historian and scholar of the American scholar of the American Revolution who was tragically Revolution who was tragically killed in a pedestrian accident killed in a pedestrian accident in East Providence on Sunday. in East Providence on Sunday. Mr. wood, who was 92 years old, Mr. wood, who was 92 years old, was a constituent of mine.

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He was a constituent of mine. He won a Pulitzer Prize in 1993 won a Pulitzer Prize in 1993 for his book The Radicalism of for his book The Radicalism of the American Revolution. And in the American Revolution. And in 2009 he was a Pulitzer finalist 2009 he was a Pulitzer finalist for Empire of Liberty.

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His very for Empire of Liberty. His very first book, The Creation of the first book, The Creation of the American Revolution, which he American Revolution, which he wrote way back in 1971. The wrote way back in 1971.

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The prestigious Bancroft Award in prestigious Bancroft Award in 2011, President Obama awarded 2011, President Obama awarded Professor Wood the National Professor Wood the National Humanities Medal. He was a Humanities Medal. He was a gifted lecturer who made gifted lecturer who made history, come alive and history, come alive and inspired scholars of all ages. inspired scholars of all ages.

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Tributes to Professor Wood Tributes to Professor Wood poured in from across the poured in from across the country. Filmmaker Ken Burns, country. Filmmaker Ken Burns, whose latest documentary whose latest documentary spotlighted the American spotlighted the American Revolution, praised him as a Revolution, praised him as a teacher of generations of teacher of generations of students and other historians. students and other historians. Mr.

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speaker, Professor Gordon Mr. speaker, Professor Gordon Wood will be greatly missed, Wood will be greatly missed, and I ask that the House and I ask that the House adjourn in his memory. adjourn in his memory. Thank you, representative Chair Thank you, representative Chair Shallcross Smith, please Shallcross Smith, please announcement. announcement. Please. Please. Please proceed. Please proceed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tomorrow, Wednesday, June 10th Tomorrow, Wednesday, June 10th at 330. Small business will be at 330. Small business will be meeting in room 135. Thank you. meeting in room 135. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Thank you. Chair. Representative Felix, please. Representative Felix, please. Request. Mr. speaker. Request. Mr. speaker. Please proceed.

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Please proceed. I would like to be marked in I would like to be marked in the affirmative of items four the affirmative of items four through eight. It won't change through eight. It won't change the outcome. the outcome. That objection so ordered. That objection so ordered. Ackerman, please. Ackerman, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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May I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May I be recorded in the affirmative be recorded in the affirmative on item number four? It will on item number four? It will not change the outcome.. not change the outcome.. Without objection. So ordered Without objection. So ordered chair Casey, please. chair Casey, please. Thank you. Speaker Thank you. Speaker announcement. Please proceed.

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announcement. Please proceed. The Committee on Municipal The Committee on Municipal Government and Housing will be Government and Housing will be meeting tomorrow at 3:00. meeting tomorrow at 3:00. Please be prompt. Thank you. Please be prompt. Thank you. Thank you. Chair. Thank you. Chair. Representative Potter, please. Representative Potter, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Can I Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I be recorded in the affirmative be recorded in the affirmative on items 13 through 16? My on items 13 through 16? My votes will not change the votes will not change the outcomes. outcomes. Without objection. So ordered. Without objection. So ordered. Thank you, Representative Thank you, Representative Hopkins. Please.

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Hopkins. Please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to be recorded. I'd like to be recorded. In the affirmative on six, In the affirmative on six, seven, eight, nine, ten, and seven, eight, nine, ten, and 19, please. 19, please. It will not change the outcome.

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It will not change the outcome. It will not change the outcome. It will not change the outcome. Without objection. So ordered. Without objection. So ordered. Representative. Representative Representative. Representative Pawlowski, please. Pawlowski, please. Mr. speaker, I'd like to change Mr.

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speaker, I'd like to change my votes on items number six my votes on items number six and seven from notes. It will and seven from notes. It will not change the outcome. not change the outcome. Without objection. So ordered, Without objection. So ordered, chair Donovan, please. chair Donovan, please. Announcement. Mr. speaker. Announcement. Mr. speaker. Please proceed. Please proceed.

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House Committee on Health and House Committee on Health and Human Services will meet Human Services will meet tomorrow at 3:00 in room 101. tomorrow at 3:00 in room 101. Thank you. Chair leader Thank you. Chair leader Kazarian, please. Kazarian, please. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few announcements.

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We will a few announcements. We will meet tomorrow or we will meet meet tomorrow or we will meet first session tomorrow, first session tomorrow, Wednesday, June 10th at 4 p.m.. Wednesday, June 10th at 4 p.m.. Seven committees will be Seven committees will be meeting tomorrow before meeting tomorrow before session.

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Four will be meeting session. Four will be meeting at 3 p.m., and three others at 3 p.m., and three others will be meeting at 3:30 p.m.. will be meeting at 3:30 p.m..

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Be sure to check the Be sure to check the legislative website for further legislative website for further details, as well as daily details, as well as daily updates in your emails that you updates in your emails that you receive every morning from the receive every morning from the speaker's office. And in light speaker's office.

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And in light of the progress we are making of the progress we are making in committees and on the floor, in committees and on the floor, as well as working as well as working cooperatively with our cooperatively with our colleagues in the Senate, we colleagues in the Senate, we will plan on our final session will plan on our final session day being this Thursday, June day being this Thursday, June 11th.

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Yes, I know, but one more 11th. Yes, I know, but one more announcement and I think might announcement and I think might be even better than the last be even better than the last announcement, is that there is announcement, is that there is food upstairs. So please, food upstairs.

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So please, everybody go to the third floor everybody go to the third floor for dinner. See you up there. for dinner. See you up there. Thank you. Speaker. Thank you. Speaker. Thank you. Leader, is there any Thank you.

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Leader, is there any objection to transmitting all objection to transmitting all matters on the clerk's test to matters on the clerk's test to the governor, the honorable the governor, the honorable Senate, or the Secretary of Senate, or the Secretary of State forthwith hearing? None State forthwith hearing? None so ordered. Leader Kazarian so ordered. Leader Kazarian moves that the House adjourn in moves that the House adjourn in memory of Gordon Wood. That is memory of Gordon Wood. That is seconded by leader Chippendale.

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seconded by leader Chippendale. All in favor, please stand for All in favor, please stand for a moment of silence. The house a moment of silence. The house is adjourned. The desk remains is adjourned. The desk remains open.