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started here. Before

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to order. This

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meeting is also being

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streamed virtual via

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Zoom. And I will now

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Valkenburg.

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>> Delegate Homer is

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>> Thank you.

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Delegate. We've got

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>> Here.

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>> John Farmer.

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>> Here.

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>> Lieutenant

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Governor Ghazala

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Hashmi here.

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>> Richard Caperton

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here. Tony Smith here.

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Don Alexy.

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>> Here.

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chair is present. A

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quorum is present.

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Before we move on

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with the materials

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today, we need to

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approve the draft

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meeting minutes from

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the last meeting.

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>> I move. We adopt.

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Second.

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>> Having a motion.

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>> The approve, I.

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>> Guess approve the

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>> Aye. Great.

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>> So we're going to

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go to slide two here

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the key findings with

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the task force to

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vote on the Interim

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which is due October

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task force will vote

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on those final

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recommendations on or

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before the next

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meeting of ours on

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Tuesday, October 13th.

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meeting will be to

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review that final

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for today.

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>> Great. Thank you.

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And welcome, everyone

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to the third task

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force meeting. Really

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appreciate everyone

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being here. I know

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there was a couple

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conflicts. So thanks

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recommendations. I

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just wanted to open

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up with what does

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voting today mean? We

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final report. So a

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vote affirmatively

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today does not mean

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that you agree with

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all of the

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recommendations in

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the specific

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recommendations and

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the final report. We

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will, as chair Chief

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Almond just said, be

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voting on those ahead

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of the next meeting

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for discussion today.

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Essentially, the what

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and the how. So what

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today is in the

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interim report that

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you all have received

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of that is how should

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these recommendations

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be operationalized?

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these things into

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fruition? Who should

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things correctly, the

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what and the how. And

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on the how. That's

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where we're kind of

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recommendations,

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work, is that we're

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Deloitte team and our

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very detailed of all

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that we have so far.

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that and then provide

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time to discuss each

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recommendation,

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focusing on that. Is

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that this the right

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what and the right

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of the report, we can

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more meeting before

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General Assembly. And

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we are going to plan

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to send that final

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report to to you all

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members and post

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with or don't agree

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online by October

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12th, and then we

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needed, as well as

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utilities, any other

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stakeholders as

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consensus is included

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into the final report.

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of next year. So we

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Deloitte. I'm here

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key activities that.

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program also provide

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their recommendations.

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meetings with many of

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you to get your kind

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of individual inputs

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anyone. We had very

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modernization, which

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of you too. So some

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public meeting. How

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sense of who was

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from Dominion that we

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be included. Anything

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aggregators like do

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as well. Moving on to

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the next slide. Sorrym

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homework outputs, and

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studies as well. And

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that has culminated

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that we will discuss

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findings? Okay. I'm

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building off of kind

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the recommendations.

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the findings. So I'll

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go through a few of

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them here, and then

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recommendations

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market participation.

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And so we really

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enablement or just

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getting more ders out

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there, but really

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doing both and

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being represented as

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an untapped

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opportunity to deploy

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and aggregate ders.

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This can help with

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the governor's goals

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and kind of to better

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tell the story about

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how doctors can help

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with grid utilization

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and energy

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affordability. So we

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heard this pretty

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much in every meeting

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that it's been a

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great foundation, but

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doesn't fully

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compensate doctors

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for all of their grid

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apply in compliment

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to NEM as a possible

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next step, which

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we'll talk about in

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more detail. The

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fourth around data

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center growth. And

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newer large load.

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Facilities in

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Virginia today. And

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they need to be

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integrated as part of

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some of the

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recommendations

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compliance is still

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developing, you know,

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how can we make sure

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our recommendations

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are in tandem and in

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support of that to

353
00:28:14,537 --> 00:28:15,436
encourage more

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settlement, dispatch

355
00:28:27,317 --> 00:28:28,149
override. We heard

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00:28:28,151 --> 00:28:28,950
those from pretty

357
00:28:28,952 --> 00:28:30,818
much everyone that

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they're important

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00:28:32,555 --> 00:28:33,187
fundamentals for some

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of the larger VPP

361
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getting kind of

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better access to that

363
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customer and grid

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data. And just what a

365
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challenge that's been

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for the D R

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aggregators to

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participate in the

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been a top finding

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and something that's

371
00:29:08,758 --> 00:29:09,891
come up in pretty

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00:29:09,893 --> 00:29:10,691
much every meeting

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we've had, just the

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need for greater

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margin modernization

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00:29:25,742 --> 00:29:26,774
initial

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00:29:26,776 --> 00:29:27,275
recommendations based

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on your all's input,

379
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that we'll talk

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through. The next one

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is that we know that

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we're we're creating

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these recommendations

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in a way that's

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building off of

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lessons learned from

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those pilots, knowing

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that they're just

389
00:29:52,035 --> 00:29:53,801
getting started and

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being done really in

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last two are how to

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noting that doctors

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could perhaps play a

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larger role in

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when utilities are

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conducting their

397
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planning and ERPs?

398
00:30:29,372 --> 00:30:31,205
And then the last one,

399
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definitely a big one

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that we've heard in a

401
00:30:33,343 --> 00:30:34,408
lot of meetings

402
00:30:34,410 --> 00:30:35,810
around both local

403
00:30:44,854 --> 00:30:47,054
customers, and just

404
00:30:47,056 --> 00:30:47,488
understanding the

405
00:30:47,490 --> 00:30:49,290
value of Ders, how

406
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they can be adopted

407
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and the benefits that

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they can bring to our

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communities. I will

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00:30:54,931 --> 00:30:55,763
pause there. Those

411
00:31:04,707 --> 00:31:06,073
But let me pause

412
00:31:06,075 --> 00:31:08,242
first and just see if

413
00:31:08,244 --> 00:31:09,377
there's any

414
00:31:09,379 --> 00:31:11,812
additional input from

415
00:31:11,814 --> 00:31:13,314
Louise or Carly or

416
00:31:25,161 --> 00:31:26,294
>> This bill only a

417
00:31:26,296 --> 00:31:27,361
friendly suggestion

418
00:31:27,363 --> 00:31:29,830
on. As you do the

419
00:31:29,832 --> 00:31:31,198
next turn on this on

420
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,767
the different

421
00:31:32,769 --> 00:31:33,501
recommendations, you

422
00:31:33,503 --> 00:31:34,902
may wish to use an

423
00:31:45,481 --> 00:31:46,514
executive branch can

424
00:31:46,516 --> 00:31:47,815
do, say it's, you

425
00:31:47,817 --> 00:31:49,050
know, executive

426
00:31:49,052 --> 00:31:49,817
branch, or if it's

427
00:31:49,819 --> 00:31:51,519
something else, then

428
00:31:51,521 --> 00:31:52,586
it's kind of stratify

429
00:31:52,588 --> 00:31:53,587
them that way. And

430
00:31:53,589 --> 00:31:54,588
that way people can

431
00:32:05,968 --> 00:32:06,600
It's certainly

432
00:32:06,602 --> 00:32:07,702
something we were

433
00:32:07,704 --> 00:32:08,436
also hoping to get

434
00:32:08,438 --> 00:32:09,837
the task force

435
00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:11,605
members input on. And

436
00:32:11,607 --> 00:32:12,340
you will see that as

437
00:32:12,342 --> 00:32:14,075
we go into the

438
00:32:14,077 --> 00:32:14,608
recommendations and

439
00:32:25,488 --> 00:32:26,487
don't and still need

440
00:32:26,489 --> 00:32:28,889
some additional input.

441
00:32:28,891 --> 00:32:30,024
However, that is

442
00:32:30,026 --> 00:32:30,725
certainly the goal

443
00:32:30,727 --> 00:32:32,093
for the next

444
00:32:32,095 --> 00:32:33,594
iteration of these.

445
00:32:45,541 --> 00:32:46,607
did on this report.

446
00:32:46,609 --> 00:32:47,608
It was a tremendous

447
00:32:47,610 --> 00:32:48,409
undertaking, and I

448
00:32:48,411 --> 00:32:49,377
did finally get

449
00:32:49,379 --> 00:32:51,645
through it today,

450
00:32:51,647 --> 00:32:52,747
just before this

451
00:32:52,749 --> 00:32:53,781
meeting, and added a

452
00:32:53,783 --> 00:32:54,882
lot of comments and

453
00:32:54,884 --> 00:32:55,316
feedback in there

454
00:33:05,294 --> 00:33:07,395
together. I saw a

455
00:33:07,397 --> 00:33:08,429
fair amount of

456
00:33:08,431 --> 00:33:10,364
duplication or areas

457
00:33:10,366 --> 00:33:11,432
where there was

458
00:33:11,434 --> 00:33:12,433
alignment amongst a

459
00:33:12,435 --> 00:33:13,234
recommendation with

460
00:33:13,236 --> 00:33:14,301
items that were

461
00:33:14,303 --> 00:33:15,403
provided later, or

462
00:33:24,781 --> 00:33:26,447
to do some of that

463
00:33:26,449 --> 00:33:30,484
streamlining.

464
00:33:30,486 --> 00:33:31,552
>> I don't think we

465
00:33:31,554 --> 00:33:32,486
disagree with that.

466
00:33:32,488 --> 00:33:32,953
So helpful input.

467
00:33:45,701 --> 00:33:46,300
recommendations are

468
00:33:46,302 --> 00:33:47,101
already underway to

469
00:33:47,103 --> 00:33:48,169
some extent because

470
00:33:48,171 --> 00:33:49,870
of recent legislation

471
00:33:49,872 --> 00:33:50,571
or which have a

472
00:33:50,573 --> 00:33:51,605
timeline. And we know

473
00:34:25,107 --> 00:34:26,140
very, very clearly

474
00:34:26,142 --> 00:34:27,675
right up front. The

475
00:34:27,677 --> 00:34:28,676
second thing is, I do

476
00:34:28,678 --> 00:34:29,510
think we should

477
00:34:29,512 --> 00:34:31,512
highly consider, or I

478
00:34:31,514 --> 00:34:32,646
would generally be

479
00:34:32,648 --> 00:34:33,781
opposed, given the

480
00:34:33,783 --> 00:34:34,782
urgency of some of

481
00:34:34,784 --> 00:34:35,182
the things we're

482
00:34:44,393 --> 00:34:46,393
energy officer or, or

483
00:34:46,395 --> 00:34:47,495
through through

484
00:34:47,497 --> 00:34:48,395
existing mechanisms.

485
00:34:48,397 --> 00:34:49,296
I think our bias

486
00:34:49,298 --> 00:34:50,197
should be towards

487
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:51,198
that anytime we can

488
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:51,765
in terms of

489
00:34:51,767 --> 00:34:52,266
recommendation. And

490
00:34:52,268 --> 00:34:53,334
if we need

491
00:34:53,336 --> 00:34:53,767
accountability in

492
00:34:53,769 --> 00:34:54,635
terms of timelines or

493
00:34:54,637 --> 00:34:55,669
things like that,

494
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,113
recommendations that

495
00:35:06,115 --> 00:35:07,114
we're putting in the

496
00:35:07,116 --> 00:35:12,286
report.

497
00:35:12,288 --> 00:35:13,454
>> Very helpful input

498
00:35:13,456 --> 00:35:14,855
and I think gets into

499
00:35:25,301 --> 00:35:27,368
forward? So thank you

500
00:35:27,370 --> 00:35:30,070
all. Is there

501
00:35:30,072 --> 00:35:30,971
anything else on

502
00:35:30,973 --> 00:35:31,639
findings before we

503
00:35:31,641 --> 00:35:33,140
actually get into the

504
00:35:44,687 --> 00:35:46,053
of doctors. Do we

505
00:35:46,055 --> 00:35:48,589
consider the impact

506
00:35:48,591 --> 00:35:50,891
of adjusting that

507
00:35:50,893 --> 00:35:52,560
definition to more

508
00:35:52,562 --> 00:35:53,260
closely match like

509
00:35:53,262 --> 00:35:53,994
what we have a

510
00:35:53,996 --> 00:35:54,695
legislative

511
00:35:54,697 --> 00:35:55,162
definition of what

512
00:36:05,675 --> 00:36:06,674
accept that as an

513
00:36:06,676 --> 00:36:07,608
assumption that we

514
00:36:07,610 --> 00:36:09,443
can't challenge going

515
00:36:09,445 --> 00:36:11,979
forward?

516
00:36:11,981 --> 00:36:12,880
>> Would welcome

517
00:36:12,882 --> 00:36:14,615
other input on that?

518
00:36:14,617 --> 00:36:15,749
Yes. Please, Don.

519
00:36:24,927 --> 00:36:26,026
saw that in the email

520
00:36:26,028 --> 00:36:26,927
with the summary

521
00:36:26,929 --> 00:36:27,928
findings, but I don't

522
00:36:27,930 --> 00:36:29,029
see it on this list.

523
00:36:29,031 --> 00:36:31,832
Is it in one of these?

524
00:36:31,834 --> 00:36:33,233
>> I, I know that we

525
00:36:33,235 --> 00:36:34,802
had shared it in the

526
00:36:34,804 --> 00:36:35,469
last meeting, but we

527
00:36:44,747 --> 00:36:47,648
report afterwards.

528
00:36:47,650 --> 00:36:48,649
But to the delegates

529
00:36:48,651 --> 00:36:49,450
question I think.

530
00:36:49,452 --> 00:36:52,353
Yeah. Can you please.

531
00:36:52,355 --> 00:36:53,420
>> Yeah. Feel free to

532
00:36:53,422 --> 00:36:53,687
finish.

533
00:36:53,689 --> 00:36:54,521
>> Your thought.

534
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,468
folks see a need to

535
00:37:07,470 --> 00:37:07,801
revisit that

536
00:37:07,803 --> 00:37:12,806
definition.

537
00:37:12,808 --> 00:37:14,008
>> I think for

538
00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:14,608
purposes of this

539
00:37:14,610 --> 00:37:15,309
report, it probably

540
00:37:25,821 --> 00:37:26,553
regulatory

541
00:37:26,555 --> 00:37:26,987
implementation. I

542
00:37:26,989 --> 00:37:27,755
think the

543
00:37:27,757 --> 00:37:28,756
inconsistency is more

544
00:37:28,758 --> 00:37:29,490
around when we're

545
00:37:29,492 --> 00:37:30,924
talking about order

546
00:37:30,926 --> 00:37:31,925
2222 implementation.

547
00:37:31,927 --> 00:37:33,060
So I do think, you

548
00:37:33,062 --> 00:37:34,061
know, one of the

549
00:37:34,063 --> 00:37:34,528
recommendations is

550
00:37:34,530 --> 00:37:35,295
around creating a

551
00:37:35,297 --> 00:37:35,929
readiness framework

552
00:37:45,174 --> 00:37:46,974
assessment of Ders.

553
00:37:46,976 --> 00:37:47,975
The other thing that

554
00:37:47,977 --> 00:37:49,076
I'll say, and I don't

555
00:37:49,078 --> 00:37:49,977
know that this

556
00:37:49,979 --> 00:37:50,511
necessarily gets to

557
00:37:50,513 --> 00:37:51,245
delegate Homer's

558
00:37:51,247 --> 00:37:53,514
point, but the focus

559
00:37:53,516 --> 00:37:55,315
of the report on

560
00:38:05,327 --> 00:38:06,126
probably something

561
00:38:06,128 --> 00:38:07,027
that we want to

562
00:38:07,029 --> 00:38:08,095
revisit to the extent

563
00:38:08,097 --> 00:38:09,396
that we have

564
00:38:09,398 --> 00:38:10,531
non-dispatchable Ders,

565
00:38:10,533 --> 00:38:11,131
that that are

566
00:38:11,133 --> 00:38:11,732
discussed throughout

567
00:38:11,734 --> 00:38:12,633
the report as being

568
00:38:12,635 --> 00:38:13,534
integrated into the

569
00:38:13,536 --> 00:38:14,668
more comprehensive

570
00:38:25,848 --> 00:38:28,749
my opinion.

571
00:38:28,751 --> 00:38:29,817
>> And maybe we can

572
00:38:29,819 --> 00:38:30,818
come back to the

573
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:31,318
Dispatchability piece

574
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,019
in a minute. Just

575
00:38:32,021 --> 00:38:34,188
sticking on the the

576
00:38:34,190 --> 00:38:34,922
definition

577
00:38:34,924 --> 00:38:35,289
legislative

578
00:38:35,291 --> 00:38:35,723
definition side. I

579
00:38:44,166 --> 00:38:46,066
roadmap that that SEC

580
00:38:46,068 --> 00:38:48,502
could pursue. Anyone

581
00:38:48,504 --> 00:38:49,269
else disagree with

582
00:38:49,271 --> 00:38:49,870
that or delegate

583
00:38:49,872 --> 00:38:53,107
Homer. Any any other

584
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:54,007
perspectives on if we

585
00:38:54,009 --> 00:38:55,008
want to be

586
00:38:55,010 --> 00:38:55,709
reexamining the

587
00:39:05,287 --> 00:39:06,286
than I can, but the

588
00:39:06,288 --> 00:39:07,221
general definition is

589
00:39:07,223 --> 00:39:08,222
less than Ders or

590
00:39:08,224 --> 00:39:09,156
less than five

591
00:39:09,158 --> 00:39:10,157
megawatts of. I think

592
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:10,591
it names different

593
00:39:10,593 --> 00:39:11,425
types of technologies

594
00:39:11,427 --> 00:39:12,593
of solar storage,

595
00:39:12,595 --> 00:39:14,461
energy efficiency and

596
00:39:14,463 --> 00:39:15,496
different different

597
00:39:25,241 --> 00:39:26,273
>> Yeah. And the

598
00:39:26,275 --> 00:39:27,508
reason so that comes

599
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:28,108
from the virtual

600
00:39:28,110 --> 00:39:29,576
power plant code

601
00:39:29,578 --> 00:39:30,377
section. And the

602
00:39:30,379 --> 00:39:31,145
reason we went with

603
00:39:31,147 --> 00:39:32,780
that definition there

604
00:39:32,782 --> 00:39:34,114
was to try and keep

605
00:39:34,116 --> 00:39:35,349
it as flexible as

606
00:39:45,761 --> 00:39:46,460
mentioned, like the

607
00:39:46,462 --> 00:39:47,327
net metering section

608
00:39:47,329 --> 00:39:48,662
of code, it's very

609
00:39:48,664 --> 00:39:50,130
specific to just

610
00:39:50,132 --> 00:39:52,332
rooftop solar

611
00:39:52,334 --> 00:39:53,734
photovoltaic. If you

612
00:39:53,736 --> 00:39:54,835
look at the shared

613
00:39:54,837 --> 00:39:55,803
solar, it's very

614
00:40:05,614 --> 00:40:06,980
broad and flexible

615
00:40:06,982 --> 00:40:08,415
from the VPP code

616
00:40:08,417 --> 00:40:09,550
section was

617
00:40:09,552 --> 00:40:09,983
appropriate to use

618
00:40:09,985 --> 00:40:10,951
here. Just because we

619
00:40:10,953 --> 00:40:12,719
are talking about

620
00:40:12,721 --> 00:40:13,887
solar and storage for

621
00:40:13,889 --> 00:40:15,656
sure, but also smart

622
00:40:25,868 --> 00:40:26,800
think that was the

623
00:40:26,802 --> 00:40:27,534
impetus for using

624
00:40:27,536 --> 00:40:29,002
that more broad

625
00:40:29,004 --> 00:40:33,273
definition.

626
00:40:33,275 --> 00:40:34,274
>> This bill, one

627
00:40:34,276 --> 00:40:35,075
last friendly

628
00:40:45,521 --> 00:40:46,286
beginning of my

629
00:40:46,288 --> 00:40:47,221
Dominion career 20

630
00:40:47,223 --> 00:40:48,956
years ago, a five

631
00:40:48,958 --> 00:40:49,523
megawatt solar

632
00:40:49,525 --> 00:40:50,057
project would have

633
00:40:50,059 --> 00:40:50,958
been considered a

634
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,793
very large utility

635
00:40:52,795 --> 00:40:53,827
scale project for the

636
00:41:04,974 --> 00:41:06,974
know, the way it's

637
00:41:06,976 --> 00:41:08,108
scale may shift over

638
00:41:08,110 --> 00:41:10,711
time.

639
00:41:10,713 --> 00:41:11,712
>> Great. It sounds

640
00:41:11,714 --> 00:41:12,713
like maybe leave as

641
00:41:12,715 --> 00:41:13,947
is not have a strong

642
00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:14,381
recommendation on

643
00:41:14,383 --> 00:41:15,215
making any changes

644
00:41:22,591 --> 00:41:29,196
there. Okay. And then.

645
00:41:29,198 --> 00:41:30,130
Angela brought up the

646
00:41:30,132 --> 00:41:30,731
Dispatchability piece

647
00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:35,669
as well and would be

648
00:41:45,981 --> 00:41:46,780
particular value of

649
00:41:46,782 --> 00:41:47,848
things like energy

650
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:48,916
efficiency or other

651
00:41:48,918 --> 00:41:50,717
solutions alongside

652
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,184
Dispatchability, but

653
00:41:51,186 --> 00:41:52,119
would be curious for

654
00:41:52,121 --> 00:41:53,253
other folks.

655
00:41:53,255 --> 00:41:53,553
>> Angela.

656
00:41:53,555 --> 00:41:54,554
>> I would be curious.

657
00:41:54,556 --> 00:41:55,756
You describe that as

658
00:42:05,801 --> 00:42:06,500
resources. So I think

659
00:42:06,502 --> 00:42:08,669
the way that the

660
00:42:08,671 --> 00:42:09,736
mission statement was

661
00:42:09,738 --> 00:42:10,804
drafted is it's

662
00:42:10,806 --> 00:42:11,838
focusing exclusively

663
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,407
on dispatchable

664
00:42:13,409 --> 00:42:14,441
resources. So I don't

665
00:42:14,443 --> 00:42:15,943
I don't think it's a

666
00:42:24,853 --> 00:42:26,320
report, there is also

667
00:42:26,322 --> 00:42:27,688
a focus on

668
00:42:27,690 --> 00:42:28,188
Non-dispatchable. And

669
00:42:28,190 --> 00:42:28,922
so I think you're

670
00:42:28,924 --> 00:42:32,092
sort of missing out

671
00:42:32,094 --> 00:42:33,560
on some unique

672
00:42:33,562 --> 00:42:33,994
characteristics of

673
00:42:33,996 --> 00:42:34,628
those

674
00:42:34,630 --> 00:42:35,395
non-dispatchable

675
00:42:35,397 --> 00:42:35,963
resources, in

676
00:42:45,808 --> 00:42:46,173
valuations for

677
00:42:46,175 --> 00:42:47,708
different types of

678
00:42:47,710 --> 00:42:48,608
resources, like

679
00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:49,343
dispatchable and

680
00:42:49,345 --> 00:42:50,043
non-dispatchable are

681
00:42:50,045 --> 00:42:51,645
different

682
00:42:51,647 --> 00:42:52,379
capabilities. And I

683
00:42:52,381 --> 00:42:53,280
think that's, I think

684
00:42:53,282 --> 00:42:54,147
you're right. Yeah,

685
00:42:54,149 --> 00:42:55,215
we should not be

686
00:43:05,861 --> 00:43:06,827
different depending

687
00:43:06,829 --> 00:43:07,828
on the resource type.

688
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:08,762
And that's probably

689
00:43:08,764 --> 00:43:09,229
something that we're

690
00:43:09,231 --> 00:43:09,963
going to need to

691
00:43:09,965 --> 00:43:10,964
discuss when we get

692
00:43:10,966 --> 00:43:11,865
to that

693
00:43:11,867 --> 00:43:12,866
recommendation. And

694
00:43:12,868 --> 00:43:13,867
the Commonwealth, I

695
00:43:13,869 --> 00:43:15,335
mean, the state

696
00:43:15,337 --> 00:43:15,969
Corporation

697
00:43:24,113 --> 00:43:26,013
recognize that that

698
00:43:26,015 --> 00:43:26,380
would continue

699
00:43:26,382 --> 00:43:30,017
forward.

700
00:43:30,019 --> 00:43:30,384
>> Yeah.

701
00:43:30,386 --> 00:43:31,785
>> Please.

702
00:43:31,787 --> 00:43:32,152
>> Can you.

703
00:43:32,154 --> 00:43:33,120
>> Help me understand?

704
00:43:33,122 --> 00:43:34,021
Does the report at

705
00:43:34,023 --> 00:43:35,422
this stage set out

706
00:43:45,534 --> 00:43:46,333
utilization, such

707
00:43:46,335 --> 00:43:48,068
that we're maybe

708
00:43:48,070 --> 00:43:49,102
thinking about like

709
00:43:49,104 --> 00:43:50,303
the state of New York

710
00:43:50,305 --> 00:43:51,171
as they developed

711
00:43:51,173 --> 00:43:51,972
their roadmap. They

712
00:43:51,974 --> 00:43:54,674
had a big long term

713
00:44:04,753 --> 00:44:06,053
like a lot of these,

714
00:44:06,055 --> 00:44:06,787
all of these

715
00:44:06,789 --> 00:44:08,188
components are

716
00:44:08,190 --> 00:44:10,323
essential for getting

717
00:44:10,325 --> 00:44:11,324
further down the road

718
00:44:11,326 --> 00:44:12,325
than where we are

719
00:44:12,327 --> 00:44:13,927
today. But does the

720
00:44:13,929 --> 00:44:15,028
report make a

721
00:44:25,474 --> 00:44:26,406
this group in terms

722
00:44:26,408 --> 00:44:28,742
of like what is also

723
00:44:28,744 --> 00:44:29,142
technologically

724
00:44:29,144 --> 00:44:30,577
feasible at this

725
00:44:30,579 --> 00:44:31,611
stage, I think

726
00:44:31,613 --> 00:44:32,179
there's a tension

727
00:44:32,181 --> 00:44:33,080
point between what is

728
00:44:33,082 --> 00:44:34,147
feasible today and

729
00:44:34,149 --> 00:44:35,148
where does the state

730
00:44:45,794 --> 00:44:49,229
is going.

731
00:44:49,231 --> 00:44:50,797
>> Yes. And I'm going

732
00:44:50,799 --> 00:44:51,431
to call on chief in a

733
00:44:51,433 --> 00:44:52,466
minute. Do you want.

734
00:44:52,468 --> 00:44:54,234
>> To jump to the

735
00:44:54,236 --> 00:44:54,534
slide on.

736
00:44:54,536 --> 00:44:55,335
>> Recommendation one,

737
00:45:05,948 --> 00:45:06,913
comment as well as in

738
00:45:06,915 --> 00:45:07,981
homework. I think the

739
00:45:07,983 --> 00:45:08,982
value of, of having

740
00:45:08,984 --> 00:45:09,983
that kind of North

741
00:45:09,985 --> 00:45:10,984
Star vision of like,

742
00:45:10,986 --> 00:45:12,052
what are we trying to

743
00:45:12,054 --> 00:45:13,820
aim for? But one that

744
00:45:13,822 --> 00:45:14,821
was actually one of

745
00:45:14,823 --> 00:45:15,822
the pieces I think

746
00:45:23,398 --> 00:45:26,266
heard in the public

747
00:45:26,268 --> 00:45:26,833
stakeholder session,

748
00:45:26,835 --> 00:45:28,101
you know, a goal of

749
00:45:28,103 --> 00:45:29,870
ten gigawatts in the

750
00:45:29,872 --> 00:45:31,371
next ten, 15, 20

751
00:45:31,373 --> 00:45:34,007
years and then heard,

752
00:45:34,009 --> 00:45:35,075
I think, a range in

753
00:45:45,754 --> 00:45:47,587
feedback on if

754
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:48,321
there's an appetite

755
00:45:48,323 --> 00:45:49,389
among folks to try to

756
00:45:49,391 --> 00:45:50,457
set that. And then we

757
00:45:50,459 --> 00:45:51,491
could take away and

758
00:45:51,493 --> 00:45:52,526
try to figure out,

759
00:45:52,528 --> 00:45:53,493
maybe come back with

760
00:45:53,495 --> 00:45:54,394
a recommendation in

761
00:45:54,396 --> 00:45:55,428
the next one about

762
00:46:05,941 --> 00:46:08,441
modeling, setting.

763
00:46:08,443 --> 00:46:09,075
Setting something,

764
00:46:09,077 --> 00:46:10,177
pulling a number, you

765
00:46:10,179 --> 00:46:11,311
know, out of our out

766
00:46:11,313 --> 00:46:13,446
of our hats. But if

767
00:46:13,448 --> 00:46:14,648
there's an interplay

768
00:46:14,650 --> 00:46:15,949
in this process, I'd

769
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,460
goal versus what does

770
00:46:27,462 --> 00:46:30,363
technology say today?

771
00:46:30,365 --> 00:46:31,431
>> Yeah, and I think

772
00:46:31,433 --> 00:46:32,866
so at the next

773
00:46:32,868 --> 00:46:34,000
meeting, when we meet

774
00:46:34,002 --> 00:46:35,368
in mid-October, the

775
00:46:44,479 --> 00:46:46,279
think we can sort of

776
00:46:46,281 --> 00:46:46,746
address that moving

777
00:46:46,748 --> 00:46:47,414
forward. And to

778
00:46:47,416 --> 00:46:48,381
Louisa's point, in

779
00:46:48,383 --> 00:46:50,217
the interim, we can

780
00:46:50,219 --> 00:46:51,718
sort of gauge some

781
00:46:51,720 --> 00:46:54,421
more interest on that.

782
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,501
a d e, yet I doubt

783
00:47:08,503 --> 00:47:09,336
anyone would disagree

784
00:47:09,338 --> 00:47:11,004
to include energy

785
00:47:11,006 --> 00:47:11,738
efficiency. So that

786
00:47:11,740 --> 00:47:13,873
would be one

787
00:47:13,875 --> 00:47:14,941
variation on the

788
00:47:14,943 --> 00:47:15,508
definition we might

789
00:47:25,420 --> 00:47:26,486
report, to also

790
00:47:26,488 --> 00:47:27,954
consider on the

791
00:47:27,956 --> 00:47:29,122
public facing side,

792
00:47:29,124 --> 00:47:30,590
some of the land

793
00:47:30,592 --> 00:47:31,591
conservation land use

794
00:47:31,593 --> 00:47:33,393
benefits of DERS. So,

795
00:47:33,395 --> 00:47:34,461
you know, mitigating

796
00:47:34,463 --> 00:47:35,295
against, you know,

797
00:47:45,540 --> 00:47:46,339
the conversation. A

798
00:47:46,341 --> 00:47:48,174
lot of localities. So

799
00:47:48,176 --> 00:47:49,142
as we socialize these

800
00:47:49,144 --> 00:47:50,677
ideas, I think that

801
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:51,111
can have a lot of

802
00:48:04,926 --> 00:48:06,126
saw some of your

803
00:48:06,128 --> 00:48:07,560
comments around land

804
00:48:07,562 --> 00:48:09,129
use and want to take

805
00:48:09,131 --> 00:48:10,397
those into

806
00:48:10,399 --> 00:48:11,131
consideration. And,

807
00:48:11,133 --> 00:48:12,265
and Carrie, hear what

808
00:48:12,267 --> 00:48:13,333
you're saying on

809
00:48:13,335 --> 00:48:13,733
establishing the

810
00:48:13,735 --> 00:48:14,434
target. Sounds like

811
00:48:25,347 --> 00:48:26,813
the conversation and

812
00:48:26,815 --> 00:48:27,380
collect some

813
00:48:27,382 --> 00:48:28,815
additional feedback,

814
00:48:28,817 --> 00:48:30,283
we just went through

815
00:48:30,285 --> 00:48:31,284
kind of some of the

816
00:48:31,286 --> 00:48:33,853
top findings. Those

817
00:48:33,855 --> 00:48:35,789
then led us into this

818
00:48:45,434 --> 00:48:46,199
force input around

819
00:48:46,201 --> 00:48:48,601
that as well today.

820
00:48:48,603 --> 00:48:50,770
But just to go

821
00:48:50,772 --> 00:48:51,871
through these quickly,

822
00:48:51,873 --> 00:48:54,407
we have kind of two

823
00:48:54,409 --> 00:48:55,842
major cross-cutting

824
00:49:04,553 --> 00:49:07,320
for Virginia Energy

825
00:49:07,322 --> 00:49:10,190
to manage and

826
00:49:10,192 --> 00:49:11,191
implement a lot of

827
00:49:11,193 --> 00:49:12,292
these recommendations

828
00:49:12,294 --> 00:49:14,527
and oversee a lot of

829
00:49:25,507 --> 00:49:27,107
of these doctor

830
00:49:27,109 --> 00:49:28,608
adoption and VPP

831
00:49:28,610 --> 00:49:29,709
participation

832
00:49:29,711 --> 00:49:31,811
recommendations. The

833
00:49:31,813 --> 00:49:32,879
next kind of two

834
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:47,694
enable each other up

835
00:49:47,696 --> 00:49:50,163
and around doctor

836
00:49:50,165 --> 00:49:50,930
adoption. You know,

837
00:49:50,932 --> 00:49:52,365
the recommendations

838
00:49:52,367 --> 00:49:55,201
culminated in one

839
00:50:05,614 --> 00:50:07,113
supporting doctor

840
00:50:07,115 --> 00:50:08,581
adoption with those

841
00:50:08,583 --> 00:50:09,983
facilities,

842
00:50:09,985 --> 00:50:11,384
modernizing doctor

843
00:50:11,386 --> 00:50:12,619
interconnection that

844
00:50:12,621 --> 00:50:14,020
would include some of

845
00:50:14,022 --> 00:50:15,822
the flexible load

846
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:26,833
how much time we have.

847
00:50:26,835 --> 00:50:30,203
But doctor permitting,

848
00:50:30,205 --> 00:50:30,837
supporting and kind

849
00:50:30,839 --> 00:50:32,005
of complimenting

850
00:50:32,007 --> 00:50:33,440
energy efficiency,

851
00:50:33,442 --> 00:50:34,841
adoption, and then

852
00:50:44,886 --> 00:50:46,019
establishing those

853
00:50:46,021 --> 00:50:47,420
vbp enabling policies,

854
00:50:47,422 --> 00:50:48,555
which Todd will talk

855
00:50:48,557 --> 00:50:51,024
more about,

856
00:50:51,026 --> 00:50:51,724
establishing some of

857
00:50:51,726 --> 00:50:54,327
the doctor and Vbp

858
00:50:54,329 --> 00:50:55,695
compensation models,

859
00:51:05,807 --> 00:51:06,906
recommendations to

860
00:51:06,908 --> 00:51:08,675
get more doctors into

861
00:51:08,677 --> 00:51:11,611
PJM markets, and then

862
00:51:11,613 --> 00:51:12,946
aligning utility

863
00:51:12,948 --> 00:51:14,447
incentive structures,

864
00:51:14,449 --> 00:51:14,914
integrating doctors

865
00:51:25,594 --> 00:51:26,693
rest of the meeting,

866
00:51:26,695 --> 00:51:28,895
we have a slide per

867
00:51:28,897 --> 00:51:31,097
each of the bolded

868
00:51:31,099 --> 00:51:31,798
recommendations that

869
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:32,398
gets into each of

870
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:33,833
these and then talks

871
00:51:33,835 --> 00:51:35,034
through the initial

872
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:46,913
overall feedback on

873
00:51:46,915 --> 00:51:48,214
the prior section

874
00:51:48,216 --> 00:51:49,682
around the findings,

875
00:51:49,684 --> 00:51:52,619
but are there any

876
00:51:52,621 --> 00:51:54,387
recommendations that

877
00:51:54,389 --> 00:51:55,822
folks think we're

878
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:06,933
think in the framing

879
00:52:06,935 --> 00:52:07,834
on doctor adoption

880
00:52:07,836 --> 00:52:08,801
and then doctor

881
00:52:08,803 --> 00:52:11,437
market participation,

882
00:52:11,439 --> 00:52:12,438
one thought that I

883
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:13,573
had that I was when I

884
00:52:13,575 --> 00:52:14,574
was reading through

885
00:52:14,576 --> 00:52:15,675
it is I think that's

886
00:52:25,587 --> 00:52:28,555
a VPP is sort of a

887
00:52:28,557 --> 00:52:30,757
really narrow context,

888
00:52:30,759 --> 00:52:32,892
and DES certainly can

889
00:52:32,894 --> 00:52:33,893
participate in a VPP

890
00:52:33,895 --> 00:52:34,694
in aggregations of

891
00:52:34,696 --> 00:52:35,395
Ders can provide

892
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:47,307
necessarily think

893
00:52:47,309 --> 00:52:49,509
about narrowing that

894
00:52:49,511 --> 00:52:50,810
lens, especially on

895
00:52:50,812 --> 00:52:52,712
the DER adoption side.

896
00:52:52,714 --> 00:52:53,780
And then on the dir

897
00:52:53,782 --> 00:52:54,914
market participation

898
00:53:05,961 --> 00:53:07,460
dispatchable or

899
00:53:07,462 --> 00:53:08,494
non-dispatchable. So

900
00:53:08,496 --> 00:53:10,597
to me, that also

901
00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:12,098
speaks to the need to

902
00:53:12,100 --> 00:53:13,900
really more clearly

903
00:53:13,902 --> 00:53:14,901
delineate in some of

904
00:53:25,413 --> 00:53:26,613
something that wasn't

905
00:53:26,615 --> 00:53:27,280
just in one

906
00:53:27,282 --> 00:53:27,947
particular

907
00:53:27,949 --> 00:53:28,681
recommendation, but I

908
00:53:28,683 --> 00:53:30,850
sort of saw

909
00:53:45,333 --> 00:53:47,066
the nature of energy

910
00:53:47,068 --> 00:53:48,134
jobs is even if you

911
00:53:48,136 --> 00:53:49,168
stay at the same

912
00:53:49,170 --> 00:53:50,069
company, you might

913
00:53:50,071 --> 00:53:51,070
have 12 or 13

914
00:53:51,072 --> 00:53:51,704
different jobs. So

915
00:53:51,706 --> 00:53:52,805
the skills that you

916
00:53:52,807 --> 00:53:54,574
need for distributed

917
00:54:04,953 --> 00:54:10,423
workforce per se.

918
00:54:10,425 --> 00:54:11,524
>> One thing that I

919
00:54:11,526 --> 00:54:12,425
think I've talked

920
00:54:12,427 --> 00:54:13,426
about before, but I

921
00:54:13,428 --> 00:54:14,427
think it builds off

922
00:54:14,429 --> 00:54:14,894
of Angela's comment.

923
00:54:14,896 --> 00:54:15,762
We should think about

924
00:54:25,907 --> 00:54:26,606
having integrated

925
00:54:26,608 --> 00:54:27,740
Ders into utility

926
00:54:27,742 --> 00:54:28,374
planning as an

927
00:54:28,376 --> 00:54:29,509
example of that. And

928
00:54:29,511 --> 00:54:30,376
we might want to try

929
00:54:30,378 --> 00:54:31,644
to think about other

930
00:54:31,646 --> 00:54:32,412
things that are like

931
00:54:32,414 --> 00:54:33,880
that, that aren't

932
00:54:33,882 --> 00:54:34,881
traditional, like

933
00:54:45,427 --> 00:54:46,392
>> Really helpful and

934
00:54:46,394 --> 00:54:47,393
just want to make

935
00:54:47,395 --> 00:54:48,528
sure. So hearing,

936
00:54:48,530 --> 00:54:50,797
think through, I

937
00:54:50,799 --> 00:54:51,531
think agreed on the

938
00:54:51,533 --> 00:54:52,565
intent of market in

939
00:54:52,567 --> 00:54:53,466
the most general

940
00:54:53,468 --> 00:54:54,467
sense and trying to

941
00:54:54,469 --> 00:54:55,468
figure out the right

942
00:55:04,846 --> 00:55:06,179
passive or passive

943
00:55:06,181 --> 00:55:07,013
resource versus

944
00:55:07,015 --> 00:55:08,381
something that is

945
00:55:08,383 --> 00:55:09,916
engaging in providing

946
00:55:09,918 --> 00:55:10,983
a grid service to

947
00:55:10,985 --> 00:55:13,152
some extent might not

948
00:55:13,154 --> 00:55:13,886
even have that quite,

949
00:55:13,888 --> 00:55:15,988
quite right yet. But

950
00:55:24,666 --> 00:55:26,099
bill. And then I

951
00:55:26,101 --> 00:55:26,966
think just to make

952
00:55:26,968 --> 00:55:27,867
sure you're capturing

953
00:55:27,869 --> 00:55:29,268
the right pieces here,

954
00:55:29,270 --> 00:55:32,972
hearing. Focusing,

955
00:55:32,974 --> 00:55:33,773
and this ties back to,

956
00:55:33,775 --> 00:55:34,774
I think, making sure

957
00:55:34,776 --> 00:55:35,775
we're balanced on

958
00:55:45,887 --> 00:55:48,087
as clarifying, you

959
00:55:48,089 --> 00:55:49,455
know, not not every

960
00:55:49,457 --> 00:55:50,223
resource is the same

961
00:55:50,225 --> 00:55:51,224
and they're providing

962
00:55:51,226 --> 00:55:52,058
different types of

963
00:55:52,060 --> 00:55:52,425
value. And so

964
00:55:52,427 --> 00:55:53,159
clarifying those

965
00:55:53,161 --> 00:55:53,559
different value

966
00:55:53,561 --> 00:55:54,560
streams, is that that

967
00:56:01,202 --> 00:56:06,139
Thank you.

968
00:56:06,141 --> 00:56:06,572
>> One additional

969
00:56:06,574 --> 00:56:07,774
thought is that

970
00:56:07,776 --> 00:56:08,841
whether there are

971
00:56:08,843 --> 00:56:10,343
dispatchable or

972
00:56:10,345 --> 00:56:12,845
non-dispatchable ders

973
00:56:12,847 --> 00:56:13,880
or inverters, at

974
00:56:13,882 --> 00:56:15,281
least provide grid

975
00:56:22,557 --> 00:56:27,193
about modernizing the

976
00:56:27,195 --> 00:56:27,927
interconnection

977
00:56:27,929 --> 00:56:30,363
standards that we

978
00:56:30,365 --> 00:56:33,332
currently have

979
00:56:33,334 --> 00:56:34,934
mandatory application

980
00:56:45,180 --> 00:56:48,447
utilities. And that

981
00:56:48,449 --> 00:56:50,216
has created, I

982
00:56:50,218 --> 00:56:52,718
believe, the grounds

983
00:57:05,466 --> 00:57:06,432
200 or 250kW, because

984
00:57:06,434 --> 00:57:07,133
they're treating the

985
00:57:07,135 --> 00:57:09,368
Ders as if they were

986
00:57:09,370 --> 00:57:11,237
under standard 2003,

987
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:12,538
where they're meant

988
00:57:12,540 --> 00:57:15,474
to be contained. But

989
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,087
reliability. So the

990
00:57:28,089 --> 00:57:29,255
point being that

991
00:57:29,257 --> 00:57:31,023
there's a crossover

992
00:57:31,025 --> 00:57:32,692
benefit of Ders,

993
00:57:32,694 --> 00:57:33,459
whether they're

994
00:57:33,461 --> 00:57:34,927
dispatchable or

995
00:57:34,929 --> 00:57:35,895
non-dispatchable in

996
00:57:43,571 --> 00:57:47,106
factor for the grid.

997
00:57:47,108 --> 00:57:48,708
So there's distinct

998
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:51,110
and measurable

999
00:57:51,112 --> 00:57:54,680
benefit to the grid.

1000
00:57:54,682 --> 00:57:55,681
>> Very helpful here

1001
00:58:05,460 --> 00:58:06,459
>> You'll have to

1002
00:58:06,461 --> 00:58:07,460
forgive me because I

1003
00:58:07,462 --> 00:58:08,461
spent too many months

1004
00:58:08,463 --> 00:58:09,061
and years thinking

1005
00:58:09,063 --> 00:58:10,496
about low income

1006
00:58:10,498 --> 00:58:12,298
access to solar

1007
00:58:12,300 --> 00:58:13,432
through Virginia

1008
00:58:13,434 --> 00:58:14,133
Department of

1009
00:58:14,135 --> 00:58:14,533
Energy's low to

1010
00:58:14,535 --> 00:58:15,902
moderate income solar

1011
00:58:25,647 --> 00:58:28,481
I see data centers as

1012
00:58:28,483 --> 00:58:29,649
a, you know, point to,

1013
00:58:29,651 --> 00:58:32,184
to leverage to drive

1014
00:58:32,186 --> 00:58:33,686
Der and VPP

1015
00:58:45,166 --> 00:58:47,633
opportunities to have

1016
00:58:47,635 --> 00:58:49,101
natural adoption of

1017
00:58:49,103 --> 00:58:49,735
Der resources,

1018
00:58:49,737 --> 00:58:52,638
whether it's a smart

1019
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:53,539
thermostat or solar

1020
00:59:04,118 --> 00:59:06,752
and other components

1021
00:59:06,754 --> 00:59:08,888
that tap into PJM. ET

1022
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:10,289
cetera. And I see

1023
00:59:10,291 --> 00:59:11,791
data centers being as

1024
00:59:11,793 --> 00:59:13,826
a potential funder,

1025
00:59:13,828 --> 00:59:14,961
but I feel like I'm

1026
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:26,105
resident, low income

1027
00:59:26,107 --> 00:59:28,307
or otherwise, to tap

1028
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:29,742
into financing

1029
00:59:29,744 --> 00:59:30,376
mechanisms. And I

1030
00:59:30,378 --> 00:59:31,677
think potentially

1031
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:33,245
there could be some

1032
00:59:33,247 --> 00:59:35,481
work to be gleaned

1033
00:59:45,493 --> 00:59:48,060
market adoption.

1034
00:59:48,062 --> 00:59:49,161
>> And maybe I'd love

1035
00:59:49,163 --> 00:59:50,296
to stay on, on that

1036
00:59:50,298 --> 00:59:51,330
topic for a moment,

1037
00:59:51,332 --> 00:59:52,264
because it came up in

1038
00:59:52,266 --> 00:59:53,199
different ways and

1039
00:59:53,201 --> 00:59:54,533
folks input of what

1040
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:06,612
different, other ways

1041
01:00:06,614 --> 01:00:07,880
to help address

1042
01:00:07,882 --> 01:00:09,248
upfront costs or cost

1043
01:00:09,250 --> 01:00:11,384
in general. And

1044
01:00:11,386 --> 01:00:12,885
whether that's

1045
01:00:12,887 --> 01:00:13,719
rebates, incentives,

1046
01:00:13,721 --> 01:00:15,321
low cost financing

1047
01:00:15,323 --> 01:00:27,633
folks, I you know,

1048
01:00:27,635 --> 01:00:28,667
external third party

1049
01:00:28,669 --> 01:00:29,101
financiers or

1050
01:00:29,103 --> 01:00:29,769
something to make

1051
01:00:29,771 --> 01:00:30,770
sure that they have

1052
01:00:30,772 --> 01:00:31,670
robust offerings in

1053
01:00:31,672 --> 01:00:32,271
the state or

1054
01:00:32,273 --> 01:00:32,938
something. But I'd be

1055
01:00:32,940 --> 01:00:33,839
curious just for

1056
01:00:33,841 --> 01:00:34,140
different

1057
01:00:34,142 --> 01:00:34,807
perspectives of what

1058
01:00:43,751 --> 01:00:46,685
types of adoption

1059
01:00:46,687 --> 01:00:47,053
supports.

1060
01:00:47,055 --> 01:00:47,887
>> I just think it's

1061
01:00:47,889 --> 01:00:48,921
a whole category that

1062
01:00:48,923 --> 01:00:49,989
we're not touching on

1063
01:00:49,991 --> 01:00:51,724
in the report. And so

1064
01:00:51,726 --> 01:00:52,191
there's, I think

1065
01:00:52,193 --> 01:00:52,892
there's a lot of

1066
01:00:52,894 --> 01:00:53,926
research that could

1067
01:00:53,928 --> 01:00:55,294
be distilled that's

1068
01:01:05,139 --> 01:01:06,405
like at that granular

1069
01:01:06,407 --> 01:01:08,607
level for each

1070
01:01:08,609 --> 01:01:10,376
recommendation. But

1071
01:01:10,378 --> 01:01:11,177
yeah, definitely

1072
01:01:11,179 --> 01:01:11,877
curious to hear

1073
01:01:11,879 --> 01:01:12,978
others thoughts on

1074
01:01:12,980 --> 01:01:14,013
this as well.

1075
01:01:14,015 --> 01:01:15,114
>> I can speak to

1076
01:01:25,526 --> 01:01:26,625
work on our own

1077
01:01:26,627 --> 01:01:28,060
infrastructure, but

1078
01:01:28,062 --> 01:01:29,128
equally and sometimes

1079
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:30,229
more important, how

1080
01:01:30,231 --> 01:01:32,031
can we enable these

1081
01:01:32,033 --> 01:01:33,099
opportunities in the

1082
01:01:33,101 --> 01:01:34,567
community? And we're

1083
01:01:34,569 --> 01:01:35,935
really focused on,

1084
01:01:44,812 --> 01:01:46,145
to be thinking more

1085
01:01:46,147 --> 01:01:48,881
about stakeholders,

1086
01:01:48,883 --> 01:01:50,783
you know, in general,

1087
01:01:50,785 --> 01:01:53,619
or how can from like

1088
01:02:02,029 --> 01:02:07,366
plate, but.

1089
01:02:07,368 --> 01:02:08,400
>> And while we're

1090
01:02:08,402 --> 01:02:09,368
talking about it, I

1091
01:02:09,370 --> 01:02:10,136
think there's also

1092
01:02:10,138 --> 01:02:11,971
sort of like non

1093
01:02:11,973 --> 01:02:13,472
fiscal impact having

1094
01:02:13,474 --> 01:02:14,306
solutions to consider

1095
01:02:14,308 --> 01:02:15,641
in that. So if we're

1096
01:02:24,952 --> 01:02:26,719
lands. It could be,

1097
01:02:26,721 --> 01:02:27,586
and I mentioned this

1098
01:02:27,588 --> 01:02:29,655
in my comments to you

1099
01:02:29,657 --> 01:02:31,056
all, but Agrivoltaics

1100
01:02:31,058 --> 01:02:32,858
is another sort of

1101
01:02:32,860 --> 01:02:35,027
stakeholder group.

1102
01:02:35,029 --> 01:02:35,694
Rural communities,

1103
01:02:43,671 --> 01:02:46,572
be worth exploring.

1104
01:02:46,574 --> 01:02:47,640
>> Just to add a

1105
01:02:47,642 --> 01:02:49,041
little more content

1106
01:02:49,043 --> 01:02:50,109
on the non fiscal

1107
01:02:50,111 --> 01:02:51,177
path. I think there

1108
01:02:51,179 --> 01:02:52,745
are already a number

1109
01:02:52,747 --> 01:02:55,848
of programs in

1110
01:03:05,660 --> 01:03:07,126
thinking Pip, which

1111
01:03:07,128 --> 01:03:09,261
doesn't allow for

1112
01:03:09,263 --> 01:03:11,764
participants to to

1113
01:03:11,766 --> 01:03:12,798
participants who

1114
01:03:12,800 --> 01:03:13,232
participate in the

1115
01:03:13,234 --> 01:03:14,300
Pip program are not

1116
01:03:14,302 --> 01:03:15,000
also allowed to

1117
01:03:15,002 --> 01:03:15,868
participate in any

1118
01:03:25,746 --> 01:03:26,512
utility bills, but

1119
01:03:26,514 --> 01:03:29,114
also create access to

1120
01:03:29,116 --> 01:03:31,183
Ders and other clean

1121
01:03:45,299 --> 01:03:46,165
the financing piece,

1122
01:03:46,167 --> 01:03:46,999
and particularly

1123
01:03:47,001 --> 01:03:48,601
looking at those like

1124
01:03:48,603 --> 01:03:49,168
non-fiscal

1125
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:49,635
opportunities of how

1126
01:03:49,637 --> 01:03:51,003
to leverage existing

1127
01:03:51,005 --> 01:03:52,204
resources, including

1128
01:03:52,206 --> 01:03:53,172
I know there's a lot

1129
01:03:53,174 --> 01:03:54,640
of, I think utility

1130
01:03:54,642 --> 01:03:55,608
LMI programs that are

1131
01:04:05,419 --> 01:04:06,118
Covering and looking

1132
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:06,819
into the right ways

1133
01:04:06,821 --> 01:04:07,686
to, to address some

1134
01:04:07,688 --> 01:04:08,654
of those other

1135
01:04:08,656 --> 01:04:10,489
financing or other

1136
01:04:10,491 --> 01:04:13,659
gaps. Okay. Thank you.

1137
01:04:13,661 --> 01:04:14,126
>> And, Carrie,

1138
01:04:14,128 --> 01:04:15,060
you'll see a little

1139
01:04:24,839 --> 01:04:26,272
as you you mentioned.

1140
01:04:26,274 --> 01:04:27,773
So I think noted.

1141
01:04:27,775 --> 01:04:28,841
>> Or even small

1142
01:04:28,843 --> 01:04:29,141
business.

1143
01:04:29,143 --> 01:04:29,842
>> Or even small

1144
01:04:29,844 --> 01:04:30,209
business.

1145
01:04:30,211 --> 01:04:30,876
>> Yeah.

1146
01:04:30,878 --> 01:04:34,179
>> Yep. Okay. Is

1147
01:04:45,293 --> 01:04:46,892
And now what we're

1148
01:04:46,894 --> 01:04:48,460
going to do is kind

1149
01:04:48,462 --> 01:04:49,528
of go into each of

1150
01:04:49,530 --> 01:04:50,763
the individual slides

1151
01:04:50,765 --> 01:04:51,830
for the bolded

1152
01:05:05,946 --> 01:05:06,445
first one is really

1153
01:05:06,447 --> 01:05:06,879
that cross-cutting

1154
01:05:06,881 --> 01:05:09,848
recommendation around.

1155
01:05:09,850 --> 01:05:11,984
Building the, the

1156
01:05:11,986 --> 01:05:12,685
creating some

1157
01:05:12,687 --> 01:05:14,086
capacity for Virginia

1158
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:27,032
whether or not there

1159
01:05:27,034 --> 01:05:28,867
should be a permanent

1160
01:05:28,869 --> 01:05:32,137
task force to kind of

1161
01:05:32,139 --> 01:05:33,539
oversee some of the

1162
01:05:33,541 --> 01:05:34,973
implementation and

1163
01:05:43,651 --> 01:05:47,553
Energy. Three is that

1164
01:05:47,555 --> 01:05:48,087
establishing a kind

1165
01:05:48,089 --> 01:05:50,155
of formal feedback

1166
01:05:50,157 --> 01:05:52,324
mechanism for the

1167
01:05:52,326 --> 01:05:53,726
existing and

1168
01:05:53,728 --> 01:05:55,127
potential future Vbp

1169
01:06:04,538 --> 01:06:06,805
office to

1170
01:06:06,807 --> 01:06:07,806
>> Learn from the

1171
01:06:07,808 --> 01:06:08,807
pilots. And then four

1172
01:06:08,809 --> 01:06:09,541
is really that

1173
01:06:09,543 --> 01:06:10,709
determining whether

1174
01:06:10,711 --> 01:06:12,478
we want that

1175
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:14,246
aspirational

1176
01:06:14,248 --> 01:06:15,314
aggregation target to

1177
01:06:24,392 --> 01:06:26,158
folks reactions, and

1178
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:26,959
then we can move on

1179
01:06:26,961 --> 01:06:28,494
to the to the data

1180
01:06:28,496 --> 01:06:30,095
center focused

1181
01:06:30,097 --> 01:06:33,766
recommendation. So

1182
01:06:33,768 --> 01:06:34,500
I'll pause here for

1183
01:06:44,578 --> 01:06:46,412
around setting a VPP

1184
01:06:46,414 --> 01:06:47,079
aggregation target.

1185
01:06:47,081 --> 01:06:47,913
And I think, you know,

1186
01:06:47,915 --> 01:06:48,847
here in Virginia, we

1187
01:06:48,849 --> 01:06:50,449
have a lot of targets

1188
01:06:50,451 --> 01:06:50,883
already. We've got

1189
01:06:50,885 --> 01:06:51,617
everything in the VC.

1190
01:06:51,619 --> 01:06:52,551
We've got the

1191
01:06:52,553 --> 01:06:53,519
utilization bill from

1192
01:06:53,521 --> 01:06:54,486
this year. We've got

1193
01:06:54,488 --> 01:06:55,521
the VPP bill from

1194
01:07:03,564 --> 01:07:08,667
Ders.

1195
01:07:08,669 --> 01:07:10,769
>> Thank you.

1196
01:07:10,771 --> 01:07:11,770
>> Yeah. I mean, I

1197
01:07:11,772 --> 01:07:12,971
don't necessarily

1198
01:07:12,973 --> 01:07:13,672
oppose having the

1199
01:07:13,674 --> 01:07:15,140
North Star

1200
01:07:15,142 --> 01:07:15,974
aspirational target.

1201
01:07:25,553 --> 01:07:26,952
plan. At the same

1202
01:07:26,954 --> 01:07:28,187
time, I did have a

1203
01:07:28,189 --> 01:07:29,188
comment here that I

1204
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:30,989
think this

1205
01:07:30,991 --> 01:07:31,423
recommendation of

1206
01:07:31,425 --> 01:07:31,990
pursuing an

1207
01:07:31,992 --> 01:07:33,058
integrated system

1208
01:07:33,060 --> 01:07:34,626
space strategy is

1209
01:07:34,628 --> 01:07:35,594
really important, but

1210
01:07:45,306 --> 01:07:46,405
framing of what that

1211
01:07:46,407 --> 01:07:47,473
is. And in my mind,

1212
01:07:47,475 --> 01:07:48,574
it's actually a

1213
01:07:48,576 --> 01:07:49,241
combination of many

1214
01:07:49,243 --> 01:07:50,008
of the

1215
01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:50,742
recommendations in

1216
01:07:50,744 --> 01:07:52,311
here, but almost like

1217
01:07:52,313 --> 01:07:53,712
a synthesis to sort

1218
01:07:53,714 --> 01:07:55,047
of guide that work.

1219
01:08:05,526 --> 01:08:08,794
>> Delegate Helmer.

1220
01:08:08,796 --> 01:08:09,895
>> Thank you. I just

1221
01:08:09,897 --> 01:08:11,163
I was ahead of time

1222
01:08:11,165 --> 01:08:11,864
earlier on the

1223
01:08:11,866 --> 01:08:13,765
comment, but on this

1224
01:08:13,767 --> 01:08:15,200
one, I wonder if we

1225
01:08:24,945 --> 01:08:26,078
in order to to do

1226
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,479
that, I think

1227
01:08:27,481 --> 01:08:28,914
providing a. I don't

1228
01:08:28,916 --> 01:08:29,915
know where we at

1229
01:08:29,917 --> 01:08:30,382
because it doesn't,

1230
01:08:30,384 --> 01:08:32,050
you know, to, to

1231
01:08:32,052 --> 01:08:32,951
Bill's point earlier,

1232
01:08:32,953 --> 01:08:33,952
like this doesn't

1233
01:08:45,666 --> 01:08:47,232
for the executive and

1234
01:08:47,234 --> 01:08:49,034
Virginia Energy to to

1235
01:08:49,036 --> 01:08:50,168
execute it. So my

1236
01:08:50,170 --> 01:08:50,836
recommendation would

1237
01:08:50,838 --> 01:08:51,904
not be to establish a

1238
01:08:51,906 --> 01:08:53,372
task force, but

1239
01:08:53,374 --> 01:08:54,206
actually to establish

1240
01:08:54,208 --> 01:08:55,474
a requirement that we

1241
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:07,352
the Senate and the

1242
01:09:07,354 --> 01:09:08,186
Commerce and Labor

1243
01:09:08,188 --> 01:09:08,854
and Commerce

1244
01:09:08,856 --> 01:09:09,555
Committee in the

1245
01:09:09,557 --> 01:09:11,023
House on our progress

1246
01:09:11,025 --> 01:09:11,790
towards that, or some

1247
01:09:11,792 --> 01:09:12,758
sort of regular

1248
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:13,892
interval, and then

1249
01:09:13,894 --> 01:09:14,860
leave it to the

1250
01:09:14,862 --> 01:09:15,861
executive on how they

1251
01:09:24,538 --> 01:09:27,539
recommendation.

1252
01:09:27,541 --> 01:09:28,640
>> Yeah, I was going

1253
01:09:28,642 --> 01:09:29,541
to say something

1254
01:09:29,543 --> 01:09:29,975
similar that maybe

1255
01:09:29,977 --> 01:09:30,809
the more effective

1256
01:09:30,811 --> 01:09:31,743
long term thing would

1257
01:09:31,745 --> 01:09:32,778
be if Josephus and

1258
01:09:32,780 --> 01:09:33,712
Louise feel you need

1259
01:09:33,714 --> 01:09:35,447
more FTEs, and that

1260
01:09:45,559 --> 01:09:46,959
their full time job

1261
01:09:46,961 --> 01:09:51,997
description.

1262
01:09:51,999 --> 01:09:53,465
>> Great. So hearing

1263
01:09:53,467 --> 01:09:54,866
not a permanent task

1264
01:10:05,012 --> 01:10:06,211
disagreements if we

1265
01:10:06,213 --> 01:10:07,279
made those changes?

1266
01:10:07,281 --> 01:10:08,313
>> My only concern is

1267
01:10:08,315 --> 01:10:09,314
that we do want to

1268
01:10:09,316 --> 01:10:10,349
make sure we have

1269
01:10:10,351 --> 01:10:11,316
good stakeholder

1270
01:10:11,318 --> 01:10:12,584
input, and that this

1271
01:10:12,586 --> 01:10:13,986
the opportunity for

1272
01:10:13,988 --> 01:10:15,787
this robust

1273
01:10:24,431 --> 01:10:28,767
down. There's a whole.

1274
01:10:28,769 --> 01:10:29,901
We're in the very

1275
01:10:29,903 --> 01:10:31,136
beginning of probably

1276
01:10:31,138 --> 01:10:33,038
a three stage process.

1277
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:34,506
This being the

1278
01:10:45,019 --> 01:10:46,118
force is supposed to

1279
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,721
sunset July 2027 with

1280
01:10:49,723 --> 01:10:53,925
a deployment report.

1281
01:10:53,927 --> 01:10:55,761
And what happens to

1282
01:11:05,506 --> 01:11:07,639
and July 1st, 2027,

1283
01:11:07,641 --> 01:11:09,107
when the decision

1284
01:11:09,109 --> 01:11:10,208
about a future, the

1285
01:11:10,210 --> 01:11:11,276
future of the task

1286
01:11:11,278 --> 01:11:14,179
force, we can make a

1287
01:11:14,181 --> 01:11:14,946
wiser decision than

1288
01:11:24,925 --> 01:11:27,125
kind of decide on

1289
01:11:27,127 --> 01:11:28,560
this point, but I

1290
01:11:28,562 --> 01:11:29,227
think that makes a

1291
01:11:29,229 --> 01:11:30,162
lot of sense. Tony

1292
01:11:30,164 --> 01:11:31,396
and Carrie, that that

1293
01:11:31,398 --> 01:11:33,265
could be something

1294
01:11:33,267 --> 01:11:34,299
that's completed

1295
01:11:45,446 --> 01:11:46,144
asked Bill Murray.

1296
01:11:46,146 --> 01:11:48,680
I'll tell you. I

1297
01:11:48,682 --> 01:11:49,581
don't know who should

1298
01:11:49,583 --> 01:11:50,649
set it or how it gets

1299
01:11:50,651 --> 01:11:52,451
set, but I kind of

1300
01:11:52,453 --> 01:11:53,318
like having some

1301
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:53,885
measurement out there.

1302
01:11:53,887 --> 01:11:54,653
How are we doing?

1303
01:11:54,655 --> 01:11:55,454
What's reasonable?

1304
01:12:04,598 --> 01:12:07,332
motivate people.

1305
01:12:07,334 --> 01:12:10,001
>> I'd be curious if

1306
01:12:10,003 --> 01:12:11,570
and I think target in

1307
01:12:11,572 --> 01:12:12,604
and of itself also

1308
01:12:12,606 --> 01:12:13,538
comes out with a

1309
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:14,406
different has

1310
01:12:14,408 --> 01:12:14,940
different contexts.

1311
01:12:14,942 --> 01:12:15,707
There's like the

1312
01:12:25,152 --> 01:12:26,151
what the scope should

1313
01:12:26,153 --> 01:12:29,387
be of. Is it just

1314
01:12:29,389 --> 01:12:31,656
megawatts of, of

1315
01:12:31,658 --> 01:12:32,424
deployment of, you

1316
01:12:32,426 --> 01:12:34,826
know, try to quantify,

1317
01:12:34,828 --> 01:12:35,861
I think solar storage

1318
01:12:45,939 --> 01:12:46,838
megawatts. Is it

1319
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,272
aggregated? Is it

1320
01:12:47,274 --> 01:12:48,073
other pieces? As we

1321
01:12:48,075 --> 01:12:49,241
think about what a

1322
01:12:49,243 --> 01:12:51,042
goal could look like?

1323
01:12:51,044 --> 01:12:53,245
>> I think we have

1324
01:12:53,247 --> 01:12:54,746
some pretty strong

1325
01:12:54,748 --> 01:12:55,380
processes and some

1326
01:13:05,492 --> 01:13:06,558
we are we meeting our

1327
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,093
goals or are we not?

1328
01:13:08,095 --> 01:13:08,727
And so that could be

1329
01:13:08,729 --> 01:13:10,395
one component is just,

1330
01:13:10,397 --> 01:13:11,163
you know, not

1331
01:13:11,165 --> 01:13:12,264
necessarily work that

1332
01:13:12,266 --> 01:13:13,932
any of us has to do,

1333
01:13:13,934 --> 01:13:14,933
but just reporting on

1334
01:13:14,935 --> 01:13:15,367
what's out there,

1335
01:13:24,912 --> 01:13:26,411
target. I do think

1336
01:13:26,413 --> 01:13:27,913
for VPI, I mean, we

1337
01:13:27,915 --> 01:13:29,147
have statutory goals

1338
01:13:29,149 --> 01:13:30,649
associated, but

1339
01:13:30,651 --> 01:13:31,116
ultimately, I think

1340
01:13:31,118 --> 01:13:31,950
some of the modeling

1341
01:13:31,952 --> 01:13:33,485
and information, you

1342
01:13:33,487 --> 01:13:33,985
know, for the energy

1343
01:13:33,987 --> 01:13:34,886
plan and then

1344
01:13:45,065 --> 01:13:46,097
feasible. And so I

1345
01:13:46,099 --> 01:13:46,965
think, you know,

1346
01:13:46,967 --> 01:13:47,966
there might be maybe

1347
01:13:47,968 --> 01:13:48,867
a preliminary number

1348
01:13:48,869 --> 01:13:49,868
that we see with

1349
01:13:49,870 --> 01:13:50,869
energy plan that we

1350
01:13:50,871 --> 01:13:51,870
could start to talk

1351
01:13:51,872 --> 01:13:52,370
about, but ultimately

1352
01:13:52,372 --> 01:13:53,038
that's going to

1353
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,005
evolve over time as

1354
01:13:54,007 --> 01:13:55,507
well. So maybe it's

1355
01:14:01,315 --> 01:14:07,385
make one note that I

1356
01:14:07,387 --> 01:14:07,853
believe and correct

1357
01:14:07,855 --> 01:14:08,386
me if I'm wrong, that

1358
01:14:08,388 --> 01:14:08,887
our scope is all of

1359
01:14:08,889 --> 01:14:09,788
Virginia and a lot of

1360
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:14,459
the goals there for

1361
01:14:14,461 --> 01:14:14,993
our largest utilities,

1362
01:14:14,995 --> 01:14:15,460
they may not be all

1363
01:14:15,462 --> 01:14:15,961
encompassing. So, you

1364
01:14:24,738 --> 01:14:26,338
or municipal utility

1365
01:14:26,340 --> 01:14:27,138
deployment, as you

1366
01:14:27,140 --> 01:14:28,506
know, a small

1367
01:14:28,508 --> 01:14:29,441
percentage overall,

1368
01:14:29,443 --> 01:14:33,645
but important. So it

1369
01:14:45,492 --> 01:14:46,524
indicators. So yes,

1370
01:14:46,526 --> 01:14:47,592
capturing those

1371
01:14:47,594 --> 01:14:49,094
metrics and stories,

1372
01:14:49,096 --> 01:14:49,794
that's, that's

1373
01:14:49,796 --> 01:14:50,896
sometimes just the

1374
01:14:50,898 --> 01:14:52,364
hardest piece of this.

1375
01:14:52,366 --> 01:14:53,064
So capturing that,

1376
01:14:53,066 --> 01:14:53,732
but then also

1377
01:14:53,734 --> 01:14:54,432
identifying what are

1378
01:14:54,434 --> 01:14:55,200
the equitable

1379
01:14:55,202 --> 01:14:55,667
indicators to make

1380
01:15:05,412 --> 01:15:06,478
out there and see if

1381
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:07,412
adding one is

1382
01:15:07,414 --> 01:15:08,413
beneficial, or if we

1383
01:15:08,415 --> 01:15:08,747
should just

1384
01:15:08,749 --> 01:15:10,749
consolidate them. But

1385
01:15:10,751 --> 01:15:11,783
if we do need a new

1386
01:15:11,785 --> 01:15:12,851
one, we could borrow

1387
01:15:12,853 --> 01:15:14,386
from the way that the

1388
01:15:14,388 --> 01:15:15,387
VPI lift off report

1389
01:15:15,389 --> 01:15:15,887
looked at potential,

1390
01:15:25,432 --> 01:15:30,168
by 2030.

1391
01:15:30,170 --> 01:15:31,636
>> Just one

1392
01:15:31,638 --> 01:15:32,337
observation. I don't

1393
01:15:32,339 --> 01:15:33,638
have a strong view on

1394
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:34,639
whether to have a

1395
01:15:34,641 --> 01:15:35,640
goal or not. I

1396
01:15:45,852 --> 01:15:47,385
a percentage low goal,

1397
01:15:47,387 --> 01:15:48,386
that will tend to

1398
01:15:48,388 --> 01:15:50,989
take you towards the

1399
01:15:50,991 --> 01:15:52,824
top end of the range,

1400
01:15:52,826 --> 01:15:54,292
and it's easier to

1401
01:15:54,294 --> 01:15:55,961
get to 1000 if you do

1402
01:16:04,771 --> 01:16:06,304
number of customers

1403
01:16:06,306 --> 01:16:06,738
enrolled, because

1404
01:16:06,740 --> 01:16:07,472
that takes you in a

1405
01:16:07,474 --> 01:16:08,506
different direction.

1406
01:16:08,508 --> 01:16:09,374
You might want to

1407
01:16:09,376 --> 01:16:10,308
just when you're

1408
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:11,509
managing just to a

1409
01:16:11,511 --> 01:16:12,644
big number goal,

1410
01:16:12,646 --> 01:16:13,645
you're going to use

1411
01:16:13,647 --> 01:16:14,145
the biggest building

1412
01:16:14,147 --> 01:16:15,647
blocks you can to get

1413
01:16:22,990 --> 01:16:27,692
100 once.

1414
01:16:27,694 --> 01:16:28,693
>> Great. I think

1415
01:16:28,695 --> 01:16:28,927
that.

1416
01:16:28,929 --> 01:16:29,694
>> Gives us.

1417
01:16:29,696 --> 01:16:30,762
>> Some good stuff to

1418
01:16:30,764 --> 01:16:31,830
run with. And we'll,

1419
01:16:31,832 --> 01:16:32,697
we'll bring some,

1420
01:16:32,699 --> 01:16:33,698
some more ideas back,

1421
01:16:33,700 --> 01:16:34,165
including an update

1422
01:16:34,167 --> 01:16:35,700
on the energy plan in

1423
01:16:44,945 --> 01:16:46,478
I think, kind of a

1424
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,512
all encompassing

1425
01:16:47,514 --> 01:16:49,014
theme to some extent

1426
01:16:49,016 --> 01:16:50,015
that kept coming up

1427
01:16:50,017 --> 01:16:51,249
both in our meetings

1428
01:16:51,251 --> 01:16:53,284
before, as well as in

1429
01:16:53,286 --> 01:16:53,685
stakeholder

1430
01:16:53,687 --> 01:16:54,052
conversations,

1431
01:16:54,054 --> 01:16:55,487
homeworks, etc. was

1432
01:17:05,165 --> 01:17:06,631
deployment here, I

1433
01:17:06,633 --> 01:17:07,732
think do recognize

1434
01:17:07,734 --> 01:17:08,233
it's not really on

1435
01:17:08,235 --> 01:17:09,234
the, on the slide

1436
01:17:09,236 --> 01:17:10,235
here, but I do want

1437
01:17:10,237 --> 01:17:11,336
to name and we'll

1438
01:17:11,338 --> 01:17:12,203
make sure we

1439
01:17:12,205 --> 01:17:13,071
acknowledge that

1440
01:17:13,073 --> 01:17:13,438
there are many

1441
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:14,272
different efforts in

1442
01:17:14,274 --> 01:17:15,240
kind of different

1443
01:17:25,886 --> 01:17:26,718
is running a

1444
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:27,152
stakeholder group

1445
01:17:27,154 --> 01:17:27,886
right now, and Will

1446
01:17:27,888 --> 01:17:29,687
will come back with

1447
01:17:29,689 --> 01:17:30,355
recommendations in

1448
01:17:30,357 --> 01:17:31,790
January around that

1449
01:17:31,792 --> 01:17:33,925
program. There are

1450
01:17:45,839 --> 01:17:46,838
take advantage of, of

1451
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:48,006
those opportunities,

1452
01:17:48,008 --> 01:17:49,174
including, I think,

1453
01:17:49,176 --> 01:17:50,241
volts and a shout out

1454
01:17:50,243 --> 01:17:51,309
to Emily for some of

1455
01:17:51,311 --> 01:17:52,177
the opportunities

1456
01:17:52,179 --> 01:17:52,710
that that they're

1457
01:17:52,712 --> 01:17:53,745
building around data

1458
01:17:53,747 --> 01:17:54,879
centers, funding,

1459
01:18:04,591 --> 01:18:06,791
sleeved PPAs, but for

1460
01:18:06,793 --> 01:18:07,192
batches of

1461
01:18:07,194 --> 01:18:09,594
distributed energy

1462
01:18:09,596 --> 01:18:10,728
through utility

1463
01:18:10,730 --> 01:18:12,197
programs or

1464
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:12,597
bilaterally. So

1465
01:18:12,599 --> 01:18:13,298
there's kind of a

1466
01:18:13,300 --> 01:18:14,365
variety of different

1467
01:18:24,411 --> 01:18:28,046
and I think kind of

1468
01:18:28,048 --> 01:18:28,746
overarching

1469
01:18:28,748 --> 01:18:29,414
recommendation or

1470
01:18:29,416 --> 01:18:29,814
opportunity here

1471
01:18:29,816 --> 01:18:31,316
might be to help kind

1472
01:18:31,318 --> 01:18:32,417
of keep an eye on all

1473
01:18:32,419 --> 01:18:33,485
of those. It's not

1474
01:18:33,487 --> 01:18:34,385
necessarily saying we

1475
01:18:34,387 --> 01:18:35,386
only need to do one

1476
01:18:45,699 --> 01:18:47,565
of resources. And,

1477
01:18:47,567 --> 01:18:48,533
and looking at how

1478
01:18:48,535 --> 01:18:50,702
can we ensure that

1479
01:18:50,704 --> 01:18:52,237
the SB 371 as that's

1480
01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:53,371
being implemented, is

1481
01:18:53,373 --> 01:18:54,305
leading to that

1482
01:18:54,307 --> 01:18:55,640
outcome, as well as

1483
01:19:02,549 --> 01:19:07,118
what have you. I

1484
01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,154
think. Yeah. Anyways,

1485
01:19:09,156 --> 01:19:10,121
I'll, I'll pause

1486
01:19:10,123 --> 01:19:10,889
there. But I think

1487
01:19:10,891 --> 01:19:11,923
that's the broad

1488
01:19:11,925 --> 01:19:13,391
sense for, for how we

1489
01:19:13,393 --> 01:19:14,125
might start to think

1490
01:19:14,127 --> 01:19:15,059
about it. Are we

1491
01:19:25,272 --> 01:19:26,804
best do that, given

1492
01:19:26,806 --> 01:19:29,507
this is a very fast

1493
01:19:29,509 --> 01:19:35,313
moving space as well.

1494
01:19:44,691 --> 01:19:49,661
So. So I think one

1495
01:19:49,663 --> 01:19:50,762
recommendation here

1496
01:19:50,764 --> 01:19:54,365
is to address the

1497
01:20:05,445 --> 01:20:06,444
describing a lot of

1498
01:20:06,446 --> 01:20:07,445
the efforts that are

1499
01:20:07,447 --> 01:20:08,112
already underway. We

1500
01:20:08,114 --> 01:20:09,881
did have a meeting

1501
01:20:09,883 --> 01:20:10,582
last week that

1502
01:20:10,584 --> 01:20:11,716
Dominion facilitated

1503
01:20:11,718 --> 01:20:13,318
on the question of

1504
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:14,686
implementation of SB

1505
01:20:14,688 --> 01:20:15,720
371 and the load

1506
01:20:25,332 --> 01:20:26,831
those. So there's a

1507
01:20:26,833 --> 01:20:27,865
bucket of programs

1508
01:20:27,867 --> 01:20:30,335
that could address

1509
01:20:30,337 --> 01:20:32,203
broad capacity, value,

1510
01:20:32,205 --> 01:20:33,605
grid level, capacity

1511
01:20:33,607 --> 01:20:34,606
value. And it doesn't

1512
01:20:34,608 --> 01:20:35,607
matter where the Ders

1513
01:20:45,919 --> 01:20:49,153
or BONC as PJM is

1514
01:20:49,155 --> 01:20:50,888
requiring it. That is

1515
01:20:50,890 --> 01:20:52,523
one bucket, and there

1516
01:20:52,525 --> 01:20:53,725
is a value for data

1517
01:20:53,727 --> 01:20:55,026
centers potentially

1518
01:20:55,028 --> 01:20:55,827
in that bucket,

1519
01:21:04,938 --> 01:21:06,004
seems to be more

1520
01:21:06,006 --> 01:21:06,838
interested in looking

1521
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:07,772
at. And that is

1522
01:21:07,774 --> 01:21:10,375
localized value in

1523
01:21:10,377 --> 01:21:10,908
Virginia, where we

1524
01:21:10,910 --> 01:21:12,010
have a lot of data

1525
01:21:12,012 --> 01:21:12,910
centers that are

1526
01:21:12,912 --> 01:21:13,378
highly concentrated,

1527
01:21:13,380 --> 01:21:14,279
that constraints are

1528
01:21:14,281 --> 01:21:15,713
really transmission

1529
01:21:24,291 --> 01:21:26,457
and have a higher D

1530
01:21:26,459 --> 01:21:27,458
fact score. And I

1531
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:28,660
think that is not

1532
01:21:28,662 --> 01:21:29,327
reflected here, but

1533
01:21:29,329 --> 01:21:30,795
should be reflected

1534
01:21:30,797 --> 01:21:32,230
again, because it's a

1535
01:21:32,232 --> 01:21:33,598
different type of

1536
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,532
program and likely

1537
01:21:44,744 --> 01:21:47,312
and three into really

1538
01:21:47,314 --> 01:21:50,181
clear pronouncements

1539
01:21:50,183 --> 01:21:52,016
around what a data

1540
01:21:52,018 --> 01:21:52,784
center could

1541
01:21:52,786 --> 01:21:53,451
potentially invest in

1542
01:21:53,453 --> 01:21:54,485
or a large load

1543
01:21:54,487 --> 01:21:54,886
customer could

1544
01:21:54,888 --> 01:21:55,920
potentially invest in,

1545
01:22:04,431 --> 01:22:06,764
point number four,

1546
01:22:06,766 --> 01:22:08,566
you know, the whole

1547
01:22:08,568 --> 01:22:10,635
idea of SB 371 is for

1548
01:22:10,637 --> 01:22:12,070
it to be a voluntary

1549
01:22:12,072 --> 01:22:13,171
program to test these

1550
01:22:13,173 --> 01:22:14,138
different solutions

1551
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:15,373
and to have different

1552
01:22:25,752 --> 01:22:27,585
requirement here is

1553
01:22:27,587 --> 01:22:28,453
the appropriate place

1554
01:22:28,455 --> 01:22:30,154
to do it. I think

1555
01:22:30,156 --> 01:22:31,222
testing out those

1556
01:22:31,224 --> 01:22:32,290
solutions via the

1557
01:22:32,292 --> 01:22:32,724
implementation of

1558
01:22:32,726 --> 01:22:34,125
that legislation is

1559
01:22:34,127 --> 01:22:35,159
where we should be

1560
01:22:35,161 --> 01:22:35,993
focused right now.

1561
01:22:45,205 --> 01:22:46,771
>> I just wanted to,

1562
01:22:46,773 --> 01:22:48,940
excuse me, add a

1563
01:22:48,942 --> 01:22:49,540
narrative portion to

1564
01:22:49,542 --> 01:22:50,641
what Angela just said.

1565
01:22:50,643 --> 01:22:52,443
So technical benefits

1566
01:22:52,445 --> 01:22:54,312
to kind of the

1567
01:22:54,314 --> 01:22:55,680
locational aspect of

1568
01:23:05,458 --> 01:23:06,324
creating the demand

1569
01:23:06,326 --> 01:23:07,625
are also not creating

1570
01:23:07,627 --> 01:23:08,393
the supply. So I

1571
01:23:08,395 --> 01:23:09,427
think there's like a

1572
01:23:09,429 --> 01:23:10,495
narrative benefit to,

1573
01:23:10,497 --> 01:23:12,597
to placing ders in

1574
01:23:12,599 --> 01:23:13,364
these areas. So

1575
01:23:13,366 --> 01:23:14,766
people can both see

1576
01:23:25,211 --> 01:23:26,244
force can can clarify

1577
01:23:26,246 --> 01:23:27,044
my understanding is

1578
01:23:27,046 --> 01:23:29,981
that hard to retrofit

1579
01:23:29,983 --> 01:23:31,349
storage on site on

1580
01:23:31,351 --> 01:23:32,450
data centers that,

1581
01:23:32,452 --> 01:23:33,885
you know, don't have,

1582
01:23:33,887 --> 01:23:34,986
don't have that

1583
01:23:44,998 --> 01:23:47,198
to consider in terms

1584
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:49,033
of how we resolve

1585
01:23:49,035 --> 01:23:50,101
that.

1586
01:23:50,103 --> 01:23:51,536
>> Yeah. The SEC

1587
01:23:51,538 --> 01:23:52,570
hosted a technical

1588
01:23:52,572 --> 01:23:53,805
conference last

1589
01:23:53,807 --> 01:23:54,405
December on this

1590
01:23:54,407 --> 01:23:54,939
question of data

1591
01:23:54,941 --> 01:23:55,807
center load

1592
01:24:05,885 --> 01:24:06,651
centers versus new

1593
01:24:06,653 --> 01:24:07,351
data centers that are

1594
01:24:07,353 --> 01:24:08,319
in the pipeline that

1595
01:24:08,321 --> 01:24:10,254
have not yet begun

1596
01:24:10,256 --> 01:24:11,055
construction because

1597
01:24:11,057 --> 01:24:12,423
of this issue of

1598
01:24:12,425 --> 01:24:13,057
retrofitting those

1599
01:24:13,059 --> 01:24:13,825
sites. So I do think

1600
01:24:13,827 --> 01:24:15,393
that it is also a

1601
01:24:15,395 --> 01:24:15,960
nuance associated

1602
01:24:25,405 --> 01:24:27,104
backup storage in a

1603
01:24:27,106 --> 01:24:28,039
way that may actually

1604
01:24:28,041 --> 01:24:29,373
make it more

1605
01:24:29,375 --> 01:24:29,841
difficult for that

1606
01:24:29,843 --> 01:24:30,708
data center to

1607
01:24:30,710 --> 01:24:31,476
integrate or to

1608
01:24:31,478 --> 01:24:32,243
interconnect to the

1609
01:24:32,245 --> 01:24:32,944
grid. Right now, as

1610
01:24:32,946 --> 01:24:34,011
they're studying how

1611
01:24:34,013 --> 01:24:35,446
those resources can

1612
01:24:45,158 --> 01:24:46,157
>> And I appreciate

1613
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:46,924
that. Oh, please.

1614
01:24:46,926 --> 01:24:48,426
>> I'm just curious

1615
01:24:48,428 --> 01:24:50,995
where. Where there

1616
01:24:50,997 --> 01:24:52,129
may be data on this

1617
01:24:52,131 --> 01:24:53,664
or where there may be

1618
01:24:53,666 --> 01:24:55,199
a need for data in

1619
01:25:05,411 --> 01:25:06,344
the residential or

1620
01:25:06,346 --> 01:25:08,112
small business

1621
01:25:08,114 --> 01:25:10,414
participation in the,

1622
01:25:10,416 --> 01:25:11,549
the design that's

1623
01:25:11,551 --> 01:25:12,416
that's sort of

1624
01:25:12,418 --> 01:25:14,952
envisioned here. So

1625
01:25:25,131 --> 01:25:27,532
type of topic? And is

1626
01:25:27,534 --> 01:25:31,702
it is is that a sort

1627
01:25:31,704 --> 01:25:32,770
of necessary

1628
01:25:32,772 --> 01:25:33,738
component of

1629
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:35,172
exploring the

1630
01:25:44,117 --> 01:25:46,050
sort of customer

1631
01:25:46,052 --> 01:25:47,051
sentiment about data

1632
01:25:47,053 --> 01:25:48,085
centers, especially

1633
01:25:48,087 --> 01:25:48,886
when paired with

1634
01:25:48,888 --> 01:25:49,554
clean energy that

1635
01:25:49,556 --> 01:25:50,354
they're funding. And

1636
01:25:50,356 --> 01:25:51,722
so we can share that

1637
01:25:51,724 --> 01:25:52,456
if that would be

1638
01:25:52,458 --> 01:25:53,491
helpful.

1639
01:25:53,493 --> 01:25:54,592
>> I guess it's more

1640
01:26:05,438 --> 01:26:06,837
being offered. So is

1641
01:26:06,839 --> 01:26:08,606
it that the data

1642
01:26:08,608 --> 01:26:10,741
center would be

1643
01:26:10,743 --> 01:26:14,378
funding a state run

1644
01:26:14,380 --> 01:26:15,913
program that is then

1645
01:26:25,959 --> 01:26:26,624
transaction? I'm just

1646
01:26:26,626 --> 01:26:27,391
curious, like, what

1647
01:26:27,393 --> 01:26:29,493
is the social

1648
01:26:29,495 --> 01:26:30,294
zeitgeist of this

1649
01:26:30,296 --> 01:26:32,029
type of like, what

1650
01:26:32,031 --> 01:26:32,863
work, what will work

1651
01:26:32,865 --> 01:26:33,864
well, what will have

1652
01:26:43,943 --> 01:26:48,346
centers generally?

1653
01:26:48,348 --> 01:26:49,413
>> I don't know of

1654
01:26:49,415 --> 01:26:50,481
any I don't know if

1655
01:26:50,483 --> 01:26:51,415
anyone else has

1656
01:26:51,417 --> 01:26:51,816
familiarity with

1657
01:26:51,818 --> 01:26:52,550
specifics. Oh, please.

1658
01:26:52,552 --> 01:26:53,317
Yeah.

1659
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:54,318
>> Maybe in partial

1660
01:26:54,320 --> 01:26:55,786
answer to your

1661
01:27:04,364 --> 01:27:06,197
performed by Embold

1662
01:27:06,199 --> 01:27:08,766
Research. It was

1663
01:27:08,768 --> 01:27:11,636
across the board,

1664
01:27:11,638 --> 01:27:12,370
demographically, in

1665
01:27:12,372 --> 01:27:12,970
accordance with the

1666
01:27:24,951 --> 01:27:27,551
forth. And what we

1667
01:27:27,553 --> 01:27:28,953
learned is that

1668
01:27:28,955 --> 01:27:29,987
there's a lot of

1669
01:27:29,989 --> 01:27:31,789
concern, very high

1670
01:27:31,791 --> 01:27:33,190
concern, about rising

1671
01:27:33,192 --> 01:27:35,726
energy costs, and

1672
01:27:45,138 --> 01:27:46,537
power using renewable

1673
01:27:46,539 --> 01:27:51,676
energy sources. 76%

1674
01:27:51,678 --> 01:27:52,410
think data centers

1675
01:27:52,412 --> 01:27:53,811
should lower nearby

1676
01:27:53,813 --> 01:27:54,845
residents electric

1677
01:28:02,455 --> 01:28:06,691
and apartments, and

1678
01:28:06,693 --> 01:28:08,926
69% of voters opposed

1679
01:28:08,928 --> 01:28:10,294
data centers. In

1680
01:28:10,296 --> 01:28:12,897
Virginia, 77% oppose

1681
01:28:12,899 --> 01:28:14,265
them in their own

1682
01:28:14,267 --> 01:28:15,933
community. So against

1683
01:28:25,445 --> 01:28:26,143
sentiment in the

1684
01:28:26,145 --> 01:28:28,345
sense that there

1685
01:28:28,347 --> 01:28:29,714
should be penalties,

1686
01:28:29,716 --> 01:28:31,215
perhaps, or ways to

1687
01:28:31,217 --> 01:28:34,085
prevent bad actors,

1688
01:28:45,598 --> 01:28:46,397
generation plant in

1689
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:48,499
the country to

1690
01:28:48,501 --> 01:28:49,233
generate their own

1691
01:28:49,235 --> 01:28:51,402
grid bypass

1692
01:28:51,404 --> 01:28:53,537
generation. So we

1693
01:28:53,539 --> 01:28:54,739
might want to include

1694
01:29:05,752 --> 01:29:08,652
grid bypass and maybe

1695
01:29:08,654 --> 01:29:10,054
some support for data

1696
01:29:10,056 --> 01:29:11,856
centers in helping to

1697
01:29:11,858 --> 01:29:13,491
find ways to expedite

1698
01:29:13,493 --> 01:29:14,759
their applications in

1699
01:29:22,268 --> 01:29:26,604
be either prevention

1700
01:29:26,606 --> 01:29:31,275
or heavy tax on

1701
01:29:31,277 --> 01:29:33,544
generation through

1702
01:29:33,546 --> 01:29:34,578
fossil fuel

1703
01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:35,146
generation, whether

1704
01:29:39,886 --> 01:29:46,123
like that. Thanks.

1705
01:29:46,125 --> 01:29:47,158
>> Super helpful. I

1706
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:48,259
also recognize we

1707
01:29:48,261 --> 01:29:49,059
definitely need to

1708
01:29:49,061 --> 01:29:49,693
keep going because we

1709
01:29:49,695 --> 01:29:51,262
have a lot more to

1710
01:29:51,264 --> 01:29:51,695
get through, just

1711
01:29:51,697 --> 01:29:52,496
maybe very quickly

1712
01:29:52,498 --> 01:29:53,330
here. Here I'm

1713
01:29:53,332 --> 01:29:54,331
bringing in a lot

1714
01:29:54,333 --> 01:29:55,366
more nuance and just

1715
01:30:05,878 --> 01:30:08,012
needs and focusing on

1716
01:30:08,014 --> 01:30:09,914
that. I think there

1717
01:30:09,916 --> 01:30:11,549
are a lot of ongoing

1718
01:30:11,551 --> 01:30:12,016
efforts. Curious if

1719
01:30:12,018 --> 01:30:12,817
there are any other

1720
01:30:12,819 --> 01:30:14,318
specific legislative,

1721
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,286
regulatory or. It

1722
01:30:25,064 --> 01:30:26,063
that we think might

1723
01:30:26,065 --> 01:30:29,266
need to happen here.

1724
01:30:29,268 --> 01:30:30,367
I think we have a lot

1725
01:30:30,369 --> 01:30:31,468
of the foundation

1726
01:30:31,470 --> 01:30:34,038
already.

1727
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:35,139
>> Maybe a two part

1728
01:30:45,017 --> 01:30:46,317
>> Okay. So I'll also

1729
01:30:46,319 --> 01:30:47,384
I will send some

1730
01:30:47,386 --> 01:30:48,219
other feedback on

1731
01:30:48,221 --> 01:30:50,688
this particular issue

1732
01:30:50,690 --> 01:30:53,457
via email. Thank you.

1733
01:31:03,502 --> 01:31:06,003
the next one, Ted,

1734
01:31:06,005 --> 01:31:07,104
should we do a quick

1735
01:31:07,106 --> 01:31:09,240
sound check?

1736
01:31:09,242 --> 01:31:10,107
>> Hello everybody.

1737
01:31:10,109 --> 01:31:11,242
>> All right. We we

1738
01:31:11,244 --> 01:31:12,243
can hear you. Well,

1739
01:31:12,245 --> 01:31:14,678
we'll pass it to you.

1740
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:15,746
>> All right. Thanks.

1741
01:31:25,758 --> 01:31:27,224
lost the lost the

1742
01:31:27,226 --> 01:31:28,225
slide. I can't see

1743
01:31:28,227 --> 01:31:32,196
the slides now. Could

1744
01:31:43,843 --> 01:31:47,344
>> Okay. So. To what

1745
01:31:47,346 --> 01:31:49,480
we presented, what I

1746
01:31:49,482 --> 01:31:50,648
presented before, on

1747
01:31:50,650 --> 01:31:51,715
to this task force.

1748
01:31:51,717 --> 01:31:53,784
We worked on a

1749
01:31:53,786 --> 01:31:54,919
process by which we

1750
01:32:05,798 --> 01:32:07,231
the state going

1751
01:32:07,233 --> 01:32:09,066
forward, and then

1752
01:32:09,068 --> 01:32:09,733
identifying the

1753
01:32:09,735 --> 01:32:10,868
specific policy

1754
01:32:10,870 --> 01:32:12,269
topics that you might

1755
01:32:12,271 --> 01:32:13,737
scope into a piece of

1756
01:32:13,739 --> 01:32:15,105
legislation or into a

1757
01:32:23,749 --> 01:32:27,051
work on in order to

1758
01:32:27,053 --> 01:32:27,685
implement the

1759
01:32:27,687 --> 01:32:29,920
prioritized vrp types.

1760
01:32:29,922 --> 01:32:30,921
And to the earlier

1761
01:32:30,923 --> 01:32:31,689
conversation, I want

1762
01:32:31,691 --> 01:32:32,523
to emphasize that

1763
01:32:32,525 --> 01:32:34,925
this is on the market

1764
01:32:34,927 --> 01:32:35,592
integration market

1765
01:32:45,004 --> 01:32:46,437
deliberately scoped

1766
01:32:46,439 --> 01:32:48,339
more narrowly and not

1767
01:32:48,341 --> 01:32:50,107
around the larger

1768
01:32:50,109 --> 01:32:51,208
value of doctors and

1769
01:32:51,210 --> 01:32:51,909
doctor adoption. But

1770
01:32:51,911 --> 01:32:53,811
this is really the,

1771
01:32:53,813 --> 01:32:55,212
the right right

1772
01:33:04,056 --> 01:33:07,358
provide grid services

1773
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,426
and be compensated

1774
01:33:09,428 --> 01:33:09,927
for that? And how do

1775
01:33:09,929 --> 01:33:11,562
we set up the system

1776
01:33:11,564 --> 01:33:12,596
so that the market is

1777
01:33:12,598 --> 01:33:13,030
compensating? And

1778
01:33:13,032 --> 01:33:14,231
that's the market in

1779
01:33:14,233 --> 01:33:14,932
general, not the

1780
01:33:14,934 --> 01:33:15,632
wholesale market

1781
01:33:25,011 --> 01:33:26,076
recommendations are

1782
01:33:26,078 --> 01:33:28,178
scoped down towards.

1783
01:33:28,180 --> 01:33:29,646
And, and for that,

1784
01:33:29,648 --> 01:33:30,748
it's also

1785
01:33:30,750 --> 01:33:31,215
specifically what

1786
01:33:31,217 --> 01:33:32,116
we've been calling

1787
01:33:32,118 --> 01:33:33,250
dispatchable doctors

1788
01:33:33,252 --> 01:33:34,318
providing grid

1789
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:35,419
services. Again, not

1790
01:33:45,464 --> 01:33:46,597
dispatchable ders.

1791
01:33:46,599 --> 01:33:47,698
And so when we went

1792
01:33:47,700 --> 01:33:48,565
through this process

1793
01:33:48,567 --> 01:33:49,666
with with you all and

1794
01:33:49,668 --> 01:33:50,634
got the feedback on

1795
01:33:50,636 --> 01:33:51,735
the Vrp policy types

1796
01:33:51,737 --> 01:33:54,171
and then the topics

1797
01:34:04,950 --> 01:34:06,050
the state of the

1798
01:34:06,052 --> 01:34:06,750
state that we

1799
01:34:06,752 --> 01:34:07,484
presented in the last

1800
01:34:07,486 --> 01:34:09,186
meeting. What we're

1801
01:34:09,188 --> 01:34:10,020
talking about here is

1802
01:34:10,022 --> 01:34:11,355
then the next bit of

1803
01:34:11,357 --> 01:34:12,489
work was to think

1804
01:34:12,491 --> 01:34:14,691
about where the next

1805
01:34:14,693 --> 01:34:15,426
what the next

1806
01:34:15,428 --> 01:34:15,893
milestone is, what

1807
01:34:25,004 --> 01:34:26,503
like customer data

1808
01:34:26,505 --> 01:34:29,406
access or on dual

1809
01:34:29,408 --> 01:34:30,140
participation or

1810
01:34:30,142 --> 01:34:31,241
these kinds of very

1811
01:34:31,243 --> 01:34:33,377
specific vrp enabling

1812
01:34:33,379 --> 01:34:34,278
policy topics. And

1813
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:35,245
the question was,

1814
01:34:44,890 --> 01:34:46,690
so we did that

1815
01:34:46,692 --> 01:34:47,724
exercise and we have

1816
01:34:47,726 --> 01:34:49,460
the the you'll see in

1817
01:34:49,462 --> 01:34:50,994
the report, the draft

1818
01:34:50,996 --> 01:34:52,596
report so far, what

1819
01:34:52,598 --> 01:34:54,565
those next steps are.

1820
01:35:05,778 --> 01:35:07,911
and plan our policy

1821
01:35:07,913 --> 01:35:08,779
work and our

1822
01:35:08,781 --> 01:35:09,680
legislation and our

1823
01:35:09,682 --> 01:35:10,881
proceedings going

1824
01:35:10,883 --> 01:35:11,582
forward. And so you

1825
01:35:11,584 --> 01:35:14,485
can see on the slide,

1826
01:35:24,430 --> 01:35:27,030
framework so that all

1827
01:35:27,032 --> 01:35:28,198
the future planning

1828
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:29,900
and scoping and

1829
01:35:29,902 --> 01:35:30,601
procedures,

1830
01:35:30,603 --> 01:35:31,802
proceedings can work

1831
01:35:31,804 --> 01:35:34,872
off that as what kind

1832
01:35:34,874 --> 01:35:35,973
of next policy steps

1833
01:35:45,718 --> 01:35:46,350
that would be to

1834
01:35:46,352 --> 01:35:47,151
establish a new

1835
01:35:47,153 --> 01:35:48,552
working group that

1836
01:35:48,554 --> 01:35:50,354
would then

1837
01:35:50,356 --> 01:35:51,088
essentially create

1838
01:35:51,090 --> 01:35:51,889
that framework, hold

1839
01:35:51,891 --> 01:35:52,890
that framework, get

1840
01:35:52,892 --> 01:35:53,624
consensus on the

1841
01:35:53,626 --> 01:35:55,092
design of that, and

1842
01:36:04,136 --> 01:36:06,603
framework. And so an

1843
01:36:06,605 --> 01:36:08,772
example of that is

1844
01:36:08,774 --> 01:36:09,806
bullet two on this

1845
01:36:09,808 --> 01:36:11,241
slide is on the

1846
01:36:11,243 --> 01:36:13,377
specific topic of

1847
01:36:24,690 --> 01:36:28,192
of legislation. To,

1848
01:36:28,194 --> 01:36:29,326
to implement it going

1849
01:36:29,328 --> 01:36:30,460
forward. And so

1850
01:36:30,462 --> 01:36:31,395
that's the idea. The

1851
01:36:31,397 --> 01:36:33,263
idea here is that you

1852
01:36:33,265 --> 01:36:34,264
create this working

1853
01:36:45,911 --> 01:36:48,078
bills to execute the

1854
01:36:48,080 --> 01:36:50,514
roadmap going forward

1855
01:36:50,516 --> 01:36:51,215
along the

1856
01:36:51,217 --> 01:36:52,716
prioritization that

1857
01:36:52,718 --> 01:36:53,417
the state has

1858
01:36:53,419 --> 01:36:54,451
determined is the

1859
01:37:04,930 --> 01:37:06,797
the specific like the

1860
01:37:06,799 --> 01:37:07,831
specific policy

1861
01:37:07,833 --> 01:37:09,199
topics and the

1862
01:37:09,201 --> 01:37:09,666
recommendations on

1863
01:37:09,668 --> 01:37:11,034
each of those, which

1864
01:37:11,036 --> 01:37:11,735
will go into the

1865
01:37:11,737 --> 01:37:13,670
final report, but it

1866
01:37:13,672 --> 01:37:15,038
will probably be an

1867
01:37:25,484 --> 01:37:26,917
If people want to

1868
01:37:26,919 --> 01:37:27,951
call out anything in

1869
01:37:27,953 --> 01:37:28,352
particular or

1870
01:37:28,354 --> 01:37:29,753
anything specific on

1871
01:37:29,755 --> 01:37:30,787
one of these policy

1872
01:37:30,789 --> 01:37:31,588
topics, but we're not

1873
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:32,356
going to go through

1874
01:37:32,358 --> 01:37:33,657
the whole list in

1875
01:37:44,503 --> 01:37:46,603
group. And I'll pause

1876
01:37:46,605 --> 01:37:48,605
there for questions

1877
01:37:48,607 --> 01:37:52,409
or comments.

1878
01:37:52,411 --> 01:37:53,510
>> Ted, this is Kerry

1879
01:37:53,512 --> 01:37:54,544
Hern with the Energy

1880
01:37:54,546 --> 01:37:54,911
Commission of

1881
01:37:54,913 --> 01:37:55,579
Virginia. Could you

1882
01:38:05,824 --> 01:38:06,757
dive into these

1883
01:38:06,759 --> 01:38:09,359
topics, as opposed to

1884
01:38:09,361 --> 01:38:10,827
using our current Dir

1885
01:38:24,943 --> 01:38:26,610
task force, I think

1886
01:38:26,612 --> 01:38:28,312
that's it could be

1887
01:38:28,314 --> 01:38:30,580
housed in there also.

1888
01:38:30,582 --> 01:38:32,716
It's it's but it's

1889
01:38:32,718 --> 01:38:33,450
the working group

1890
01:38:33,452 --> 01:38:34,484
would be more

1891
01:38:44,563 --> 01:38:46,063
stakeholder process

1892
01:38:46,065 --> 01:38:46,830
that brought in all

1893
01:38:46,832 --> 01:38:48,665
the stakeholders went

1894
01:38:48,667 --> 01:38:49,599
through a very, you

1895
01:38:49,601 --> 01:38:50,600
know, a couple rounds

1896
01:38:50,602 --> 01:38:52,502
of, of feedback and

1897
01:38:52,504 --> 01:38:54,338
input and then

1898
01:39:05,217 --> 01:39:06,616
would that would go

1899
01:39:06,618 --> 01:39:07,617
essentially to the

1900
01:39:07,619 --> 01:39:09,453
commission to, to the

1901
01:39:09,455 --> 01:39:12,422
SEC to implement.

1902
01:39:12,424 --> 01:39:13,423
>> Okay. And as a

1903
01:39:13,425 --> 01:39:14,858
follow up to that,

1904
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:15,592
what is the benefit

1905
01:39:24,937 --> 01:39:26,403
benefit of having

1906
01:39:26,405 --> 01:39:28,505
that separation of

1907
01:39:28,507 --> 01:39:29,973
powers and duties

1908
01:39:29,975 --> 01:39:32,175
where the state you

1909
01:39:32,177 --> 01:39:33,210
know, the executive

1910
01:39:33,212 --> 01:39:34,344
branch kind of brings

1911
01:39:44,757 --> 01:39:46,957
stakeholder input?

1912
01:39:46,959 --> 01:39:48,291
>> Yeah, in my

1913
01:39:48,293 --> 01:39:49,393
experience, honestly,

1914
01:39:49,395 --> 01:39:51,194
it often is easier to

1915
01:39:51,196 --> 01:39:52,996
do it outside the

1916
01:39:52,998 --> 01:39:54,197
commission itself and

1917
01:39:54,199 --> 01:39:54,998
then provide input to

1918
01:40:05,644 --> 01:40:06,343
formalized and it

1919
01:40:06,345 --> 01:40:07,411
feels like it's more

1920
01:40:07,413 --> 01:40:09,246
formalized. And it's,

1921
01:40:09,248 --> 01:40:10,380
it's, and they feel

1922
01:40:10,382 --> 01:40:11,281
like everything they

1923
01:40:11,283 --> 01:40:12,416
say is on the record

1924
01:40:12,418 --> 01:40:13,283
and it's something

1925
01:40:13,285 --> 01:40:15,018
that needs to be like,

1926
01:40:25,397 --> 01:40:26,496
problem together and

1927
01:40:26,498 --> 01:40:27,998
it's less adversarial.

1928
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:30,133
So I would generally

1929
01:40:30,135 --> 01:40:30,801
recommend that

1930
01:40:30,803 --> 01:40:31,468
working groups that

1931
01:40:31,470 --> 01:40:32,936
you can run out of,

1932
01:40:32,938 --> 01:40:33,937
like the SEO, like

1933
01:40:45,751 --> 01:40:47,417
formal kind of like

1934
01:40:47,419 --> 01:40:48,118
positions and

1935
01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:49,219
argument, like

1936
01:40:49,221 --> 01:40:50,754
adversarial type

1937
01:40:50,756 --> 01:40:52,756
setup.

1938
01:40:52,758 --> 01:40:55,025
>> But I think the

1939
01:41:05,804 --> 01:41:06,736
utility programs are

1940
01:41:06,738 --> 01:41:07,170
evolving. And so

1941
01:41:07,172 --> 01:41:07,971
trying to figure out

1942
01:41:07,973 --> 01:41:08,972
what is the right

1943
01:41:08,974 --> 01:41:09,906
mechanism. So would

1944
01:41:09,908 --> 01:41:11,241
welcome input and

1945
01:41:11,243 --> 01:41:12,542
feedback from folks

1946
01:41:12,544 --> 01:41:15,178
who have rich

1947
01:41:15,180 --> 01:41:15,779
experience in state.

1948
01:41:25,557 --> 01:41:26,623
task force is in

1949
01:41:26,625 --> 01:41:29,826
effect through mid

1950
01:41:29,828 --> 01:41:31,061
2027. You know,

1951
01:41:31,063 --> 01:41:32,796
there's a number of

1952
01:41:32,798 --> 01:41:34,631
ideas here that, to

1953
01:41:34,633 --> 01:41:35,298
Ted's point, need to

1954
01:41:45,344 --> 01:41:46,409
that Virginia

1955
01:41:46,411 --> 01:41:47,544
operates, it's not

1956
01:41:47,546 --> 01:41:48,545
always the case that

1957
01:41:48,547 --> 01:41:49,546
you'll have a more

1958
01:41:49,548 --> 01:41:50,480
robust process when

1959
01:41:50,482 --> 01:41:52,182
you try to house

1960
01:41:52,184 --> 01:41:53,250
something here versus

1961
01:41:53,252 --> 01:41:55,051
there. And I do think

1962
01:42:05,831 --> 01:42:07,197
unique and another,

1963
01:42:07,199 --> 01:42:07,697
you know, meeting

1964
01:42:07,699 --> 01:42:08,532
that folks have to

1965
01:42:08,534 --> 01:42:14,538
add to their agendas.

1966
01:42:14,540 --> 01:42:15,639
>> So it sounds like

1967
01:42:24,983 --> 01:42:26,449
there's capacity, I

1968
01:42:26,451 --> 01:42:27,417
think maybe a

1969
01:42:27,419 --> 01:42:28,385
question mark to go

1970
01:42:28,387 --> 01:42:29,419
back and see if

1971
01:42:29,421 --> 01:42:29,853
there's capacity.

1972
01:42:29,855 --> 01:42:31,421
>> I mean, I think a

1973
01:42:31,423 --> 01:42:32,455
lot of these like are

1974
01:42:32,457 --> 01:42:33,423
under the formulation

1975
01:42:33,425 --> 01:42:34,391
of data access. But

1976
01:42:34,393 --> 01:42:35,392
when you go through

1977
01:42:45,103 --> 01:42:46,136
of these items into

1978
01:42:46,138 --> 01:42:47,637
maybe like 2 or 3

1979
01:42:47,639 --> 01:42:49,839
subcommittees.

1980
01:42:49,841 --> 01:42:51,241
>> Okay.

1981
01:42:51,243 --> 01:42:52,342
>> I'd love if we

1982
01:42:52,344 --> 01:42:53,743
could narrow the

1983
01:42:53,745 --> 01:42:54,811
recommendation to say

1984
01:43:04,556 --> 01:43:06,022
already governed by

1985
01:43:06,024 --> 01:43:08,158
PJM for PJM der

1986
01:43:08,160 --> 01:43:10,060
market programs. I

1987
01:43:10,062 --> 01:43:11,528
think the intent here

1988
01:43:11,530 --> 01:43:12,362
is to streamline the

1989
01:43:12,364 --> 01:43:13,763
process of Der

1990
01:43:13,765 --> 01:43:14,264
participation, but my

1991
01:43:14,266 --> 01:43:15,031
fear is always that

1992
01:43:23,275 --> 01:43:26,343
wholesale market.

1993
01:43:26,345 --> 01:43:27,344
>> Yes. I think

1994
01:43:27,346 --> 01:43:28,244
intent is to

1995
01:43:28,246 --> 01:43:28,979
streamline and

1996
01:43:28,981 --> 01:43:31,081
standardize. So okay.

1997
01:43:31,083 --> 01:43:32,616
That's helpful. Thank

1998
01:43:32,618 --> 01:43:34,317
you for the the input.

1999
01:43:34,319 --> 01:43:34,985
Anything else on, on

2000
01:43:43,595 --> 01:43:46,129
>> Okay, great. I

2001
01:43:46,131 --> 01:43:47,230
will cover

2002
01:43:47,232 --> 01:43:47,731
recommendation four.

2003
01:43:47,733 --> 01:43:48,632
And then David is

2004
01:43:48,634 --> 01:43:50,467
going to walk through

2005
01:43:50,469 --> 01:43:53,770
our Ferc findings and

2006
01:43:53,772 --> 01:43:55,672
roadmap. So this one

2007
01:44:04,182 --> 01:44:06,349
industry listening

2008
01:44:06,351 --> 01:44:07,484
sessions, the need

2009
01:44:07,486 --> 01:44:09,919
for a program that

2010
01:44:09,921 --> 01:44:11,021
enables a value

2011
01:44:11,023 --> 01:44:12,188
stacking so that Ders

2012
01:44:12,190 --> 01:44:14,557
and VP's can realize

2013
01:44:14,559 --> 01:44:15,425
the attributes that

2014
01:44:24,670 --> 01:44:26,870
pulling together this

2015
01:44:26,872 --> 01:44:28,304
need to expand air

2016
01:44:28,306 --> 01:44:28,805
compensation, right?

2017
01:44:28,807 --> 01:44:31,908
So we have, I would

2018
01:44:31,910 --> 01:44:33,043
consider, number one,

2019
01:44:33,045 --> 01:44:34,044
sort of a just

2020
01:44:34,046 --> 01:44:34,444
imagining like a

2021
01:44:34,446 --> 01:44:35,912
separate program.

2022
01:44:45,357 --> 01:44:46,823
of the, the barriers

2023
01:44:46,825 --> 01:44:52,796
there that are

2024
01:44:52,798 --> 01:44:53,263
preventing some of

2025
01:44:53,265 --> 01:44:53,730
the, the full value

2026
01:44:53,732 --> 01:44:54,230
to be recognized of

2027
01:44:54,232 --> 01:44:54,698
those systems. And

2028
01:45:03,308 --> 01:45:06,810
to sort of built in a

2029
01:45:06,812 --> 01:45:08,678
mechanism so that if

2030
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:09,779
caps are being

2031
01:45:09,781 --> 01:45:10,447
approached, there's

2032
01:45:10,449 --> 01:45:12,348
not a backlog in sort

2033
01:45:12,350 --> 01:45:14,718
of a stoppage of of

2034
01:45:25,897 --> 01:45:28,064
from from Tony and

2035
01:45:28,066 --> 01:45:30,667
Asus on this over the

2036
01:45:30,669 --> 01:45:31,334
last couple of days.

2037
01:45:31,336 --> 01:45:32,302
Would just love to

2038
01:45:32,304 --> 01:45:33,870
hear orienting at

2039
01:45:33,872 --> 01:45:34,738
those key questions

2040
01:45:45,183 --> 01:45:46,349
you agree with them?

2041
01:45:46,351 --> 01:45:47,951
Any color there would

2042
01:45:47,953 --> 01:45:50,720
be really helpful.

2043
01:45:50,722 --> 01:45:52,555
>> Yeah. Excuse me.

2044
01:45:52,557 --> 01:45:53,022
I've got two pieces

2045
01:45:53,024 --> 01:45:54,324
of feedback, one

2046
01:45:54,326 --> 01:45:55,391
stylistic and one

2047
01:46:05,737 --> 01:46:06,736
other. Here we say

2048
01:46:06,738 --> 01:46:08,104
Ders and VPP. So we

2049
01:46:08,106 --> 01:46:09,405
should have a maybe a

2050
01:46:09,407 --> 01:46:10,373
map somewhere. Like

2051
01:46:10,375 --> 01:46:12,041
what do we mean by

2052
01:46:12,043 --> 01:46:13,810
ders and and der

2053
01:46:13,812 --> 01:46:14,844
aggregation and other

2054
01:46:25,323 --> 01:46:26,022
easy for me to

2055
01:46:26,024 --> 01:46:26,723
conceptually

2056
01:46:26,725 --> 01:46:27,524
understand. I think

2057
01:46:27,526 --> 01:46:29,225
for load and load

2058
01:46:29,227 --> 01:46:29,926
flexibility, it's a

2059
01:46:29,928 --> 01:46:31,060
little different. And

2060
01:46:31,062 --> 01:46:32,495
I think as I think

2061
01:46:32,497 --> 01:46:33,930
about it, one of the

2062
01:46:33,932 --> 01:46:35,098
easiest ways to do

2063
01:46:45,544 --> 01:46:46,543
cost of the system

2064
01:46:46,545 --> 01:46:48,044
and their cost on the

2065
01:46:48,046 --> 01:46:49,412
system, then the load

2066
01:46:49,414 --> 01:46:50,079
flexibility would be

2067
01:46:50,081 --> 01:46:51,614
more fairly

2068
01:46:51,616 --> 01:46:52,615
compensated by

2069
01:46:52,617 --> 01:46:53,416
default without

2070
01:46:53,418 --> 01:46:55,485
designing a new like

2071
01:46:55,487 --> 01:46:55,885
compensation

2072
01:47:05,797 --> 01:47:07,363
a good way to

2073
01:47:07,365 --> 01:47:08,431
compensate load

2074
01:47:08,433 --> 01:47:13,570
flexibility.

2075
01:47:13,572 --> 01:47:13,937
>> Thank you.

2076
01:47:13,939 --> 01:47:14,838
>> Very helpful. I

2077
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:15,805
would just say, oh,

2078
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:26,416
develop an

2079
01:47:26,418 --> 01:47:27,183
implementation

2080
01:47:27,185 --> 01:47:30,019
framework. I'm, I'm a

2081
01:47:30,021 --> 01:47:32,255
little unclear on

2082
01:47:32,257 --> 01:47:33,790
does that mean the

2083
01:47:44,836 --> 01:47:48,104
what the action is,

2084
01:47:48,106 --> 01:47:49,939
and if there's a

2085
01:47:49,941 --> 01:47:52,008
vision for that,

2086
01:47:52,010 --> 01:47:54,844
where by when is

2087
01:48:05,757 --> 01:48:07,523
would like some, some

2088
01:48:07,525 --> 01:48:08,658
direction on.

2089
01:48:08,660 --> 01:48:09,759
>> I guess you could

2090
01:48:09,761 --> 01:48:10,827
do both. You could do

2091
01:48:10,829 --> 01:48:11,761
a workgroup or a

2092
01:48:11,763 --> 01:48:12,662
technical conference

2093
01:48:12,664 --> 01:48:13,129
and then immediately

2094
01:48:13,131 --> 01:48:14,397
go into, you know,

2095
01:48:14,399 --> 01:48:15,298
opening a docket and

2096
01:48:24,809 --> 01:48:26,242
you know, this to me

2097
01:48:26,244 --> 01:48:28,111
strikes more of a

2098
01:48:28,113 --> 01:48:29,846
need for legislation.

2099
01:48:29,848 --> 01:48:30,980
And I'll say we just

2100
01:48:30,982 --> 01:48:32,081
went through like a

2101
01:48:32,083 --> 01:48:33,149
two year docket

2102
01:48:33,151 --> 01:48:35,285
process to update our

2103
01:48:45,497 --> 01:48:47,063
all of this, but I

2104
01:48:47,065 --> 01:48:48,231
sat through those

2105
01:48:48,233 --> 01:48:49,666
meetings and I think

2106
01:48:49,668 --> 01:48:50,533
there's a lot there

2107
01:48:50,535 --> 01:48:52,335
in terms of what we

2108
01:48:52,337 --> 01:48:52,802
already established

2109
01:48:52,804 --> 01:48:54,070
as the baseline value

2110
01:48:54,072 --> 01:48:55,071
stack for various

2111
01:49:05,817 --> 01:49:06,582
some discussion in

2112
01:49:06,584 --> 01:49:07,684
the Vbp pilot of

2113
01:49:07,686 --> 01:49:09,585
whether the JST would

2114
01:49:09,587 --> 01:49:09,886
apply. The

2115
01:49:09,888 --> 01:49:10,586
jurisdiction specific

2116
01:49:10,588 --> 01:49:11,621
test would apply to

2117
01:49:11,623 --> 01:49:13,790
VPP, or is there a

2118
01:49:13,792 --> 01:49:14,824
different framing in

2119
01:49:14,826 --> 01:49:15,825
terms of how you're

2120
01:49:23,134 --> 01:49:29,672
there.

2121
01:49:29,674 --> 01:49:30,840
>> Just so I get this

2122
01:49:30,842 --> 01:49:31,841
in my head on the

2123
01:49:31,843 --> 01:49:32,875
value stacking with

2124
01:49:32,877 --> 01:49:33,943
solar, traditionally

2125
01:49:33,945 --> 01:49:35,011
net metering, full

2126
01:49:45,924 --> 01:49:46,422
thinking about what's

2127
01:49:46,424 --> 01:49:46,923
the floor and what's

2128
01:49:46,925 --> 01:49:47,357
the ceiling when

2129
01:49:47,359 --> 01:49:47,790
you're looking at

2130
01:49:47,792 --> 01:49:52,462
that?

2131
01:49:52,464 --> 01:49:52,895
>> I think that's,

2132
01:49:52,897 --> 01:49:53,262
that's an open

2133
01:49:53,264 --> 01:49:53,763
question. We talked

2134
01:49:53,765 --> 01:49:54,263
if this is answering

2135
01:49:54,265 --> 01:49:54,831
your question,

2136
01:49:54,833 --> 01:49:55,832
looking at some of

2137
01:50:05,343 --> 01:50:06,042
compensation is, is a

2138
01:50:06,044 --> 01:50:08,177
full NEM rate plus an

2139
01:50:08,179 --> 01:50:09,479
adder. I think it's a

2140
01:50:09,481 --> 01:50:11,381
flat $0.03 across the

2141
01:50:11,383 --> 01:50:12,849
state. That's still

2142
01:50:12,851 --> 01:50:15,018
very much under

2143
01:50:22,394 --> 01:50:27,230
would look like.

2144
01:50:27,232 --> 01:50:27,730
>> And without

2145
01:50:27,732 --> 01:50:28,364
getting into a

2146
01:50:28,366 --> 01:50:29,298
running debate, to

2147
01:50:29,300 --> 01:50:30,533
the extent the

2148
01:50:30,535 --> 01:50:31,901
concern is

2149
01:50:31,903 --> 01:50:33,036
affordability, the

2150
01:50:33,038 --> 01:50:34,037
extent you go north

2151
01:50:34,039 --> 01:50:35,505
of full retail, I

2152
01:50:45,984 --> 01:50:47,417
go above full retail,

2153
01:50:47,419 --> 01:50:49,152
do you accelerate the

2154
01:50:49,154 --> 01:50:50,520
do you accentuate

2155
01:50:50,522 --> 01:50:51,721
those concerns.

2156
01:50:51,723 --> 01:50:53,523
>> Yeah. No thank you.

2157
01:50:53,525 --> 01:50:54,223
>> Yeah I appreciate

2158
01:50:54,225 --> 01:50:55,058
the point on that.

2159
01:51:05,970 --> 01:51:06,969
I think we are

2160
01:51:06,971 --> 01:51:07,470
hearing interest from

2161
01:51:07,472 --> 01:51:08,137
previous meetings

2162
01:51:08,139 --> 01:51:09,038
around the idea of

2163
01:51:09,040 --> 01:51:10,440
something like this,

2164
01:51:10,442 --> 01:51:13,009
recognizing that, you

2165
01:51:13,011 --> 01:51:14,010
know, there's some

2166
01:51:14,012 --> 01:51:14,744
opportunity to, to

2167
01:51:14,746 --> 01:51:15,611
flush this out of how

2168
01:51:25,590 --> 01:51:27,323
if this is of value

2169
01:51:27,325 --> 01:51:28,424
or if it's not, and

2170
01:51:28,426 --> 01:51:29,559
if it is something to

2171
01:51:29,561 --> 01:51:31,260
consider or to, to

2172
01:51:31,262 --> 01:51:33,062
pursue any

2173
01:51:33,064 --> 01:51:34,864
recommendations or

2174
01:51:34,866 --> 01:51:35,298
suggestions of how

2175
01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:35,998
this actually might

2176
01:51:45,743 --> 01:51:46,175
expertise on, you

2177
01:51:46,177 --> 01:51:46,909
know, if if the

2178
01:51:46,911 --> 01:51:49,679
outcome is we want

2179
01:51:49,681 --> 01:51:51,080
additional

2180
01:51:51,082 --> 01:51:51,814
compensation models

2181
01:51:51,816 --> 01:51:53,382
to support the

2182
01:51:53,384 --> 01:51:54,350
economics and help

2183
01:51:54,352 --> 01:51:55,017
compensate these

2184
01:52:05,497 --> 01:52:07,330
full value stack for

2185
01:52:07,332 --> 01:52:08,297
what NEM resources

2186
01:52:08,299 --> 01:52:09,198
are paid, but also so

2187
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:09,966
you're separating out

2188
01:52:09,968 --> 01:52:10,900
the value stack into

2189
01:52:10,902 --> 01:52:12,335
its component parts

2190
01:52:12,337 --> 01:52:13,402
so that you can opt

2191
01:52:13,404 --> 01:52:14,303
out of ones that you

2192
01:52:14,305 --> 01:52:15,338
would rather provide

2193
01:52:25,817 --> 01:52:27,750
a broken up memory is

2194
01:52:27,752 --> 01:52:31,354
use less of it.

2195
01:52:31,356 --> 01:52:32,555
>> And smart. That's

2196
01:52:32,557 --> 01:52:33,923
the Massachusetts

2197
01:52:33,925 --> 01:52:35,691
program. The I

2198
01:52:45,436 --> 01:52:47,603
>> I for for Veeder

2199
01:52:47,605 --> 01:52:48,337
talking about

2200
01:52:48,339 --> 01:52:48,838
specifically for beta

2201
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:49,839
and NEM like the New

2202
01:52:49,841 --> 01:52:52,275
York Sun program,

2203
01:52:52,277 --> 01:52:54,377
those are upfront

2204
01:52:54,379 --> 01:52:54,911
incentives as opposed

2205
01:52:54,913 --> 01:52:55,845
to like a per

2206
01:53:05,924 --> 01:53:07,023
Yeah.

2207
01:53:07,025 --> 01:53:07,990
>> So. Andrew. Andrew.

2208
01:53:07,992 --> 01:53:10,259
To be clear, the beta

2209
01:53:10,261 --> 01:53:11,727
stack itself is a

2210
01:53:11,729 --> 01:53:12,495
replacement for NEM.

2211
01:53:12,497 --> 01:53:13,863
It's not on top of

2212
01:53:13,865 --> 01:53:14,397
NEM.

2213
01:53:14,399 --> 01:53:15,231
>> Right. So New York

2214
01:53:25,076 --> 01:53:26,442
for value. Right?

2215
01:53:26,444 --> 01:53:28,344
>> Right. Yep. Sorry

2216
01:53:28,346 --> 01:53:30,012
if that was unclear.

2217
01:53:30,014 --> 01:53:30,813
>> I think.

2218
01:53:30,815 --> 01:53:31,514
>> The funding

2219
01:53:31,516 --> 01:53:32,181
mechanism, as I

2220
01:53:32,183 --> 01:53:34,050
recall, is

2221
01:53:34,052 --> 01:53:34,884
multifaceted, comes

2222
01:53:34,886 --> 01:53:35,918
from RGGI and maybe

2223
01:53:45,597 --> 01:53:46,629
think New York

2224
01:53:46,631 --> 01:53:48,431
theater is less value

2225
01:53:48,433 --> 01:53:49,899
than full retail

2226
01:53:49,901 --> 01:53:50,533
compensation. And at

2227
01:53:50,535 --> 01:53:51,434
least that's how I've

2228
01:53:51,436 --> 01:53:52,335
been conceptualizing

2229
01:53:52,337 --> 01:53:53,836
it as sort of retail

2230
01:53:53,838 --> 01:53:55,304
NEM 1 to 1

2231
01:53:55,306 --> 01:53:55,805
compensation is sort

2232
01:54:04,749 --> 01:54:06,916
that different values.

2233
01:54:06,918 --> 01:54:11,153
But.

2234
01:54:11,155 --> 01:54:12,321
>> I was, I was just

2235
01:54:12,323 --> 01:54:13,389
going to flag, as you

2236
01:54:13,391 --> 01:54:14,690
all are looking into,

2237
01:54:14,692 --> 01:54:15,992
you know, exploring

2238
01:54:24,502 --> 01:54:27,303
always also did a or

2239
01:54:27,305 --> 01:54:27,837
commissioned a report

2240
01:54:27,839 --> 01:54:29,872
with Dunskey climate

2241
01:54:29,874 --> 01:54:30,973
group that looks at

2242
01:54:30,975 --> 01:54:32,708
the value of solar.

2243
01:54:32,710 --> 01:54:34,510
So avoided cost to

2244
01:54:34,512 --> 01:54:35,678
distribution and

2245
01:54:44,989 --> 01:54:48,190
thinking about this.

2246
01:54:48,192 --> 01:54:50,026
>> And any, any

2247
01:54:50,028 --> 01:54:50,493
steers or thoughts,

2248
01:54:50,495 --> 01:54:51,427
or maybe it's just an

2249
01:54:51,429 --> 01:54:52,461
action item for us to

2250
01:54:52,463 --> 01:54:53,562
go back and refine

2251
01:54:53,564 --> 01:54:55,398
the how of how we

2252
01:55:04,042 --> 01:55:06,309
feelings, no worries.

2253
01:55:06,311 --> 01:55:07,310
But I think.

2254
01:55:07,312 --> 01:55:08,311
>> Yeah, I think if

2255
01:55:08,313 --> 01:55:09,312
it is a legislative

2256
01:55:09,314 --> 01:55:09,745
pathway, it would

2257
01:55:09,747 --> 01:55:10,513
need to be through

2258
01:55:10,515 --> 01:55:11,614
the state Corporation

2259
01:55:11,616 --> 01:55:12,315
commission because

2260
01:55:12,317 --> 01:55:12,748
you would actually

2261
01:55:12,750 --> 01:55:14,283
want it to have some

2262
01:55:14,285 --> 01:55:14,617
teeth and be

2263
01:55:14,619 --> 01:55:15,384
implementable, like

2264
01:55:25,263 --> 01:55:27,063
just a layer of

2265
01:55:27,065 --> 01:55:28,164
complexity to this

2266
01:55:28,166 --> 01:55:29,999
before legislation,

2267
01:55:30,001 --> 01:55:31,334
or could we go right

2268
01:55:31,336 --> 01:55:31,767
into legislation?

2269
01:55:31,769 --> 01:55:33,602
Just strikes me that

2270
01:55:33,604 --> 01:55:34,337
program design of

2271
01:55:34,339 --> 01:55:35,504
this type could could

2272
01:55:45,850 --> 01:55:47,583
something is proposed.

2273
01:55:47,585 --> 01:55:48,751
>> Well, I think in

2274
01:55:48,753 --> 01:55:49,785
my mind the

2275
01:55:49,787 --> 01:55:50,486
legislation would

2276
01:55:50,488 --> 01:55:51,954
create that process,

2277
01:55:51,956 --> 01:55:53,055
and it would

2278
01:55:53,057 --> 01:55:53,789
establish the

2279
01:55:53,791 --> 01:55:54,457
mechanism to bring

2280
01:55:54,459 --> 01:55:55,324
stakeholders together

2281
01:56:05,269 --> 01:56:06,669
suggest that we

2282
01:56:06,671 --> 01:56:07,737
amplify on the how to

2283
01:56:07,739 --> 01:56:11,707
include the when. We

2284
01:56:11,709 --> 01:56:12,875
have the capacity

2285
01:56:12,877 --> 01:56:14,243
here in Virginia, we

2286
01:56:23,588 --> 01:56:27,156
department. We have

2287
01:56:27,158 --> 01:56:28,324
capabilities in the

2288
01:56:28,326 --> 01:56:31,827
private sector.

2289
01:56:31,829 --> 01:56:33,295
Utilities that are

2290
01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:46,308
factor here. Just the

2291
01:56:46,310 --> 01:56:48,511
transition from 23 to

2292
01:56:48,513 --> 01:56:52,415
24, the drop off in

2293
01:57:05,296 --> 01:57:06,862
we've shared with all

2294
01:57:06,864 --> 01:57:08,230
the task force

2295
01:57:08,232 --> 01:57:11,066
members. The public

2296
01:57:11,068 --> 01:57:12,234
school sector has

2297
01:57:12,236 --> 01:57:13,235
never recovered since

2298
01:57:13,237 --> 01:57:15,571
then, and so we're

2299
01:57:24,515 --> 01:57:27,283
Who, whether it's the

2300
01:57:27,285 --> 01:57:28,751
legislature, SEC

2301
01:57:28,753 --> 01:57:30,586
executive branch and

2302
01:57:30,588 --> 01:57:32,321
the how, whether it's

2303
01:57:32,323 --> 01:57:32,721
legislation or

2304
01:57:32,723 --> 01:57:35,191
working group, but

2305
01:57:44,602 --> 01:57:46,802
those measures that

2306
01:57:46,804 --> 01:57:50,739
can be done quickly,

2307
01:57:50,741 --> 01:57:51,907
because one of the

2308
01:57:51,909 --> 01:57:53,976
the benefits of Ders

2309
01:57:53,978 --> 01:57:55,711
is that they're fast

2310
01:58:05,456 --> 01:58:07,623
time. And, you know,

2311
01:58:07,625 --> 01:58:08,324
whether you're

2312
01:58:08,326 --> 01:58:12,294
looking at. The huge

2313
01:58:12,296 --> 01:58:13,395
impact on public

2314
01:58:13,397 --> 01:58:14,063
schools that are

2315
01:58:14,065 --> 01:58:15,564
already facing

2316
01:58:25,943 --> 01:58:27,443
need to create some

2317
01:58:27,445 --> 01:58:28,844
carve outs for public

2318
01:58:28,846 --> 01:58:30,646
entities to have a

2319
01:58:30,648 --> 01:58:32,381
quick path to

2320
01:58:32,383 --> 01:58:33,549
streamlined

2321
01:58:45,463 --> 01:58:46,529
Public Schools to

2322
01:58:46,531 --> 01:58:47,296
separately meter

2323
01:58:47,298 --> 01:58:48,998
battery storage would

2324
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:49,698
meet their

2325
01:58:49,700 --> 01:58:50,799
requirements not only

2326
01:58:50,801 --> 01:58:52,968
for net metering, but

2327
01:58:52,970 --> 01:58:53,669
it would allow for

2328
01:59:04,849 --> 01:59:07,383
support to other

2329
01:59:07,385 --> 01:59:08,050
developers and so

2330
01:59:08,052 --> 01:59:09,885
forth who are have

2331
01:59:09,887 --> 01:59:11,053
this quandary. How do

2332
01:59:11,055 --> 01:59:12,454
you how do you

2333
01:59:12,456 --> 01:59:13,122
address the double

2334
01:59:13,124 --> 01:59:14,256
counting? So we're

2335
01:59:14,258 --> 01:59:15,291
learning as we're

2336
01:59:25,970 --> 01:59:26,936
apply for for all

2337
01:59:26,938 --> 01:59:28,037
adding a time who and

2338
01:59:28,039 --> 01:59:29,004
the complexity of

2339
01:59:29,006 --> 01:59:29,405
implementation.

2340
01:59:29,407 --> 01:59:30,406
>> I would just

2341
01:59:30,408 --> 01:59:31,507
second that sentiment.

2342
01:59:31,509 --> 01:59:35,110
Just as we talk about

2343
01:59:45,523 --> 01:59:46,221
after this

2344
01:59:46,223 --> 01:59:47,389
legislative session,

2345
01:59:47,391 --> 01:59:48,223
I don't think we'll

2346
01:59:48,225 --> 01:59:49,925
see until about a

2347
01:59:49,927 --> 01:59:50,659
month from now with

2348
01:59:50,661 --> 01:59:52,027
the grid utilization

2349
01:59:52,029 --> 01:59:54,163
metrics. And so if

2350
01:59:54,165 --> 01:59:54,897
that's what we can

2351
02:00:05,743 --> 02:00:06,842
And so I just think

2352
02:00:06,844 --> 02:00:07,743
it's important to

2353
02:00:07,745 --> 02:00:08,744
keep that in mind,

2354
02:00:08,746 --> 02:00:09,144
right? If we're

2355
02:00:09,146 --> 02:00:10,045
talking about

2356
02:00:10,047 --> 02:00:11,747
solutions that can

2357
02:00:11,749 --> 02:00:13,616
meet the moment, I

2358
02:00:13,618 --> 02:00:14,450
don't think we should

2359
02:00:24,762 --> 02:00:27,363
And I was first

2360
02:00:27,365 --> 02:00:28,063
thinking like, you

2361
02:00:28,065 --> 02:00:29,131
know, Minnesota's

2362
02:00:29,133 --> 02:00:30,199
value of solar

2363
02:00:30,201 --> 02:00:30,633
methodology, and

2364
02:00:30,635 --> 02:00:31,634
there are all these

2365
02:00:31,636 --> 02:00:32,901
great programs out

2366
02:00:32,903 --> 02:00:33,836
there that we could

2367
02:00:33,838 --> 02:00:34,803
learn from, but it

2368
02:00:34,805 --> 02:00:35,871
does take a lot of

2369
02:00:45,983 --> 02:00:48,183
local government or a

2370
02:00:48,185 --> 02:00:50,019
specific SEC, you

2371
02:00:50,021 --> 02:00:51,720
know, legislative

2372
02:00:51,722 --> 02:00:53,956
priority. Yeah.

2373
02:00:53,958 --> 02:00:54,623
Somehow coming up

2374
02:01:05,436 --> 02:01:06,769
now? I don't want to

2375
02:01:06,771 --> 02:01:07,770
lose sight of the

2376
02:01:07,772 --> 02:01:13,042
need for that.

2377
02:01:13,044 --> 02:01:14,076
>> Thank you. John.

2378
02:01:14,078 --> 02:01:15,144
>> I think that ties

2379
02:01:25,256 --> 02:01:26,188
at these from a

2380
02:01:26,190 --> 02:01:27,156
adding in those

2381
02:01:27,158 --> 02:01:28,157
pieces of like, what

2382
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:29,158
would a roadmap look

2383
02:01:29,160 --> 02:01:30,059
like for, for

2384
02:01:30,061 --> 02:01:30,526
Virginia, including

2385
02:01:30,528 --> 02:01:31,260
all the things that

2386
02:01:31,262 --> 02:01:32,227
are already underway

2387
02:01:32,229 --> 02:01:33,162
and what are those

2388
02:01:33,164 --> 02:01:34,129
timelines? So we can

2389
02:01:34,131 --> 02:01:35,164
kind of think about

2390
02:01:45,776 --> 02:01:46,775
discussion for, for

2391
02:01:46,777 --> 02:01:47,810
our next meeting as

2392
02:01:47,812 --> 02:01:48,744
well. When we have

2393
02:01:48,746 --> 02:01:49,812
that a little bit

2394
02:01:49,814 --> 02:01:52,648
more on paper.

2395
02:01:52,650 --> 02:01:53,649
>> Okay, we'll move

2396
02:01:53,651 --> 02:01:55,851
on here to the next

2397
02:02:05,296 --> 02:02:07,062
>> Yes. Floor is

2398
02:02:07,064 --> 02:02:08,497
yours.

2399
02:02:08,499 --> 02:02:09,631
>> So I'm going to

2400
02:02:09,633 --> 02:02:10,632
try to do this as

2401
02:02:10,634 --> 02:02:11,667
quick as possible.

2402
02:02:11,669 --> 02:02:12,634
Given that we have a

2403
02:02:12,636 --> 02:02:13,869
number more

2404
02:02:13,871 --> 02:02:14,269
recommendations

2405
02:02:24,682 --> 02:02:26,482
22 to 22. The

2406
02:02:26,484 --> 02:02:27,216
recommendation

2407
02:02:27,218 --> 02:02:28,984
actually reflects the

2408
02:02:28,986 --> 02:02:29,718
finding that was

2409
02:02:29,720 --> 02:02:31,220
reviewed earlier and

2410
02:02:31,222 --> 02:02:32,521
an input of the task

2411
02:02:32,523 --> 02:02:34,723
force members and

2412
02:02:45,870 --> 02:02:47,002
this recommendation

2413
02:02:47,004 --> 02:02:49,171
does recommend that

2414
02:02:49,173 --> 02:02:50,639
actions should be

2415
02:02:50,641 --> 02:02:51,340
taken on

2416
02:02:51,342 --> 02:02:52,040
implementation of

2417
02:02:52,042 --> 02:02:54,943
order 2222. The

2418
02:03:05,756 --> 02:03:06,822
five actions in

2419
02:03:06,824 --> 02:03:09,057
parallel with the

2420
02:03:09,059 --> 02:03:10,025
continued focus on

2421
02:03:10,027 --> 02:03:12,227
demand response, the

2422
02:03:12,229 --> 02:03:12,961
specific actions are

2423
02:03:12,963 --> 02:03:14,730
listed on the slide.

2424
02:03:14,732 --> 02:03:15,731
I'll just go quickly.

2425
02:03:24,074 --> 02:03:26,275
the SEC should

2426
02:03:26,277 --> 02:03:27,309
establish minimum

2427
02:03:27,311 --> 02:03:28,844
statewide procedures

2428
02:03:28,846 --> 02:03:29,745
on the participation

2429
02:03:29,747 --> 02:03:31,280
of Der aggregation

2430
02:03:31,282 --> 02:03:33,515
and PJM markets. A

2431
02:03:33,517 --> 02:03:34,583
number of those

2432
02:03:34,585 --> 02:03:35,584
actions are listed on

2433
02:03:44,595 --> 02:03:46,728
and others. The

2434
02:03:46,730 --> 02:03:48,197
second is that

2435
02:03:48,199 --> 02:03:49,264
Virginia should

2436
02:03:49,266 --> 02:03:51,433
consider continue

2437
02:03:51,435 --> 02:03:52,134
proactive engagement

2438
02:03:52,136 --> 02:03:53,969
with PJM under demand

2439
02:03:53,971 --> 02:03:55,370
response A, D, E, and

2440
02:04:05,149 --> 02:04:06,949
in front of the

2441
02:04:06,951 --> 02:04:07,983
pigeons proposed in

2442
02:04:07,985 --> 02:04:09,785
front of Ferc on the

2443
02:04:09,787 --> 02:04:11,620
reliability backstop,

2444
02:04:11,622 --> 02:04:12,287
procurement, and on

2445
02:04:12,289 --> 02:04:14,122
the Interruptible

2446
02:04:14,124 --> 02:04:15,057
curtailment program

2447
02:04:25,135 --> 02:04:27,636
issues. Third, as was

2448
02:04:27,638 --> 02:04:30,072
noted earlier, a

2449
02:04:30,074 --> 02:04:31,206
initiated proceeding

2450
02:04:31,208 --> 02:04:32,941
on developing a

2451
02:04:32,943 --> 02:04:34,776
minimum and a uniform

2452
02:04:44,855 --> 02:04:46,288
net energy metered

2453
02:04:46,290 --> 02:04:47,356
resources can

2454
02:04:47,358 --> 02:04:48,857
participate in PJM

2455
02:04:48,859 --> 02:04:49,925
ancillary services

2456
02:04:49,927 --> 02:04:51,026
markets, as was

2457
02:04:51,028 --> 02:04:51,994
approved by Ferc, and

2458
02:04:51,996 --> 02:04:53,128
that could be part of

2459
02:04:53,130 --> 02:04:53,829
this earlier

2460
02:04:53,831 --> 02:04:55,631
discussion about how

2461
02:05:04,575 --> 02:05:07,476
and the SEC support a

2462
02:05:07,478 --> 02:05:08,877
continued use of and

2463
02:05:08,879 --> 02:05:10,712
broad deployment of

2464
02:05:10,714 --> 02:05:11,580
Ders to participate

2465
02:05:11,582 --> 02:05:12,915
as demand side

2466
02:05:12,917 --> 02:05:14,283
resources in PJM

2467
02:05:14,285 --> 02:05:15,350
market. So I was

2468
02:05:19,056 --> 02:05:29,097
discussion.

2469
02:05:29,099 --> 02:05:29,998
>> It seems like

2470
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:30,799
based on Tony's

2471
02:05:30,801 --> 02:05:31,967
conversation with AEP,

2472
02:05:31,969 --> 02:05:33,702
that we could expand

2473
02:05:33,704 --> 02:05:35,170
point four to say

2474
02:05:45,950 --> 02:05:47,015
>> Yeah, I still

2475
02:05:47,017 --> 02:05:48,150
would.

2476
02:05:48,152 --> 02:05:50,319
>> Thanks, Emily.

2477
02:05:50,321 --> 02:05:51,386
Thank you. Good.

2478
02:05:51,388 --> 02:05:52,054
Positive

2479
02:05:52,056 --> 02:05:52,788
recommendation. It's

2480
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:54,656
still a little fuzzy

2481
02:05:54,658 --> 02:05:55,657
in terms of grid

2482
02:06:04,969 --> 02:06:06,768
that's where maybe we

2483
02:06:06,770 --> 02:06:08,971
still want some

2484
02:06:08,973 --> 02:06:10,138
clarity from that.

2485
02:06:10,140 --> 02:06:12,240
But other ancillary

2486
02:06:12,242 --> 02:06:13,241
services there was no

2487
02:06:13,243 --> 02:06:14,242
issue was the f r

2488
02:06:23,554 --> 02:06:29,524
Yeah.

2489
02:06:29,526 --> 02:06:30,926
>> I think just one

2490
02:06:30,928 --> 02:06:32,394
sort of process

2491
02:06:32,396 --> 02:06:33,462
recommendation is

2492
02:06:33,464 --> 02:06:35,297
that at least the way

2493
02:06:35,299 --> 02:06:35,931
it's drafted, it

2494
02:06:44,341 --> 02:06:47,075
that addresses all of

2495
02:06:47,077 --> 02:06:52,881
these related items.

2496
02:06:52,883 --> 02:06:53,982
>> Great. So yeah,

2497
02:06:53,984 --> 02:06:55,417
agreed on, I think

2498
02:07:04,928 --> 02:07:06,228
to bring Virginia

2499
02:07:06,230 --> 02:07:08,697
into harmony with PJM,

2500
02:07:08,699 --> 02:07:09,831
even as we

2501
02:07:09,833 --> 02:07:10,332
acknowledge there's

2502
02:07:10,334 --> 02:07:10,999
some other other

2503
02:07:11,001 --> 02:07:12,000
things going on at

2504
02:07:12,002 --> 02:07:13,435
PJM to work out. So

2505
02:07:13,437 --> 02:07:14,002
continuing to focus

2506
02:07:14,004 --> 02:07:15,003
at the retail level

2507
02:07:15,005 --> 02:07:15,904
in the meantime.

2508
02:07:25,015 --> 02:07:26,014
related. I think this

2509
02:07:26,016 --> 02:07:27,015
was trying to be a

2510
02:07:27,017 --> 02:07:28,016
little bit more

2511
02:07:28,018 --> 02:07:28,917
double clicked on

2512
02:07:28,919 --> 02:07:29,918
exactly what the 22,

2513
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:30,986
22 and some of the

2514
02:07:30,988 --> 02:07:31,920
PJM specific pieces

2515
02:07:31,922 --> 02:07:32,287
were. But yes,

2516
02:07:32,289 --> 02:07:33,121
ideally they would

2517
02:07:33,123 --> 02:07:34,623
all sync up so that

2518
02:07:34,625 --> 02:07:35,357
we're we're

2519
02:07:42,399 --> 02:07:46,101
be the same for both

2520
02:07:46,103 --> 02:07:46,601
recommendation three

2521
02:07:46,603 --> 02:07:49,371
and recommendation

2522
02:07:49,373 --> 02:07:51,206
five?

2523
02:07:51,208 --> 02:07:52,441
>> If we if we went

2524
02:07:52,443 --> 02:07:53,708
the docket route for

2525
02:07:53,710 --> 02:07:55,210
number three. Yes,

2526
02:07:55,212 --> 02:07:55,644
probably it would

2527
02:08:05,789 --> 02:08:08,523
of docket as to not

2528
02:08:08,525 --> 02:08:10,125
slow us down. But yes.

2529
02:08:10,127 --> 02:08:11,126
Yeah, I think if

2530
02:08:11,128 --> 02:08:11,560
you're going that

2531
02:08:11,562 --> 02:08:12,394
route could could do

2532
02:08:25,409 --> 02:08:26,174
>> Thanks, David.

2533
02:08:26,176 --> 02:08:27,409
>> Did you still want

2534
02:08:27,411 --> 02:08:28,743
to do a break?

2535
02:08:28,745 --> 02:08:29,845
>> Do we want to do a

2536
02:08:29,847 --> 02:08:30,912
quick five minute

2537
02:08:30,914 --> 02:08:31,813
break. Would folks

2538
02:08:31,815 --> 02:08:32,714
appreciate a quick

2539
02:08:32,716 --> 02:08:33,148
breather. And then

2540
02:08:33,150 --> 02:08:33,949
we'll come back and

2541
02:08:33,951 --> 02:08:35,717
wrap up in the last

2542
02:08:45,562 --> 02:08:48,063
break. Reconvene at

2543
02:09:04,148 --> 02:18:15,163
going to call us back

2544
02:18:25,175 --> 02:18:28,176
over to Colleen for

2545
02:18:28,178 --> 02:18:29,210
the second half of

2546
02:18:29,212 --> 02:18:29,610
the discussion.

2547
02:18:29,612 --> 02:18:32,013
>> I think.

2548
02:18:45,361 --> 02:18:46,427
>> Thank you. We're

2549
02:18:46,429 --> 02:18:47,428
skipping ahead a bit.

2550
02:18:47,430 --> 02:18:48,429
Just in the interest

2551
02:18:48,431 --> 02:18:51,532
of time. So next

2552
02:18:51,534 --> 02:18:52,633
recommendation is

2553
02:18:52,635 --> 02:18:53,301
recommendation eight

2554
02:18:53,303 --> 02:18:54,001
if folks are

2555
02:18:54,003 --> 02:18:55,470
following along. Oh,

2556
02:19:05,915 --> 02:19:06,581
recommendations is

2557
02:19:06,583 --> 02:19:08,049
drawing together

2558
02:19:08,051 --> 02:19:08,750
separate pieces of

2559
02:19:08,752 --> 02:19:09,450
feedback we heard

2560
02:19:09,452 --> 02:19:12,019
around the untapped

2561
02:19:12,021 --> 02:19:13,020
potential of public

2562
02:19:13,022 --> 02:19:13,488
facilities, whether

2563
02:19:25,368 --> 02:19:27,201
saving money on

2564
02:19:27,203 --> 02:19:28,236
energy bills, and

2565
02:19:28,238 --> 02:19:29,570
also to perhaps

2566
02:19:29,572 --> 02:19:30,438
function as

2567
02:19:30,440 --> 02:19:31,405
resilience hubs or

2568
02:19:31,407 --> 02:19:32,940
microgrids. It's an

2569
02:19:32,942 --> 02:19:33,941
aspect that we are

2570
02:19:33,943 --> 02:19:35,042
required to, to

2571
02:19:44,788 --> 02:19:46,420
education. I think

2572
02:19:46,422 --> 02:19:47,388
our team put a word

2573
02:19:47,390 --> 02:19:48,189
cloud together after

2574
02:19:48,191 --> 02:19:49,157
the first meeting,

2575
02:19:49,159 --> 02:19:49,924
after we got

2576
02:19:49,926 --> 02:19:50,458
everyone's feedback

2577
02:19:50,460 --> 02:19:51,359
in the first round of

2578
02:19:51,361 --> 02:19:52,059
homework. And the

2579
02:19:52,061 --> 02:19:53,060
biggest word was

2580
02:19:53,062 --> 02:19:55,096
education. So we have

2581
02:19:55,098 --> 02:19:55,763
we actually have a

2582
02:20:05,975 --> 02:20:08,242
direct support for

2583
02:20:08,244 --> 02:20:09,977
resources like model

2584
02:20:09,979 --> 02:20:12,079
PPA templates,

2585
02:20:12,081 --> 02:20:14,248
training sessions as

2586
02:20:14,250 --> 02:20:15,183
both complimentary

2587
02:20:25,862 --> 02:20:26,460
suggestion for

2588
02:20:26,462 --> 02:20:27,628
clarity instead of

2589
02:20:27,630 --> 02:20:28,329
cooperative, say

2590
02:20:28,331 --> 02:20:30,097
joint or shared or

2591
02:20:30,099 --> 02:20:30,865
anything that doesn't

2592
02:20:30,867 --> 02:20:31,566
imply this is all

2593
02:20:31,568 --> 02:20:32,500
done through an

2594
02:20:32,502 --> 02:20:34,435
electric cooperative.

2595
02:20:44,914 --> 02:20:46,280
been about storage

2596
02:20:46,282 --> 02:20:48,082
and solar. We should

2597
02:20:48,084 --> 02:20:48,950
think about busses

2598
02:20:48,952 --> 02:20:49,884
and bus

2599
02:20:49,886 --> 02:20:50,651
electrification and

2600
02:20:50,653 --> 02:20:51,319
manage charging for

2601
02:20:51,321 --> 02:20:53,087
bus fleets that might

2602
02:20:53,089 --> 02:20:54,021
be here or not.

2603
02:20:54,023 --> 02:20:55,156
>> Yes, I believe you

2604
02:21:05,768 --> 02:21:08,769
does require a lot of

2605
02:21:08,771 --> 02:21:10,872
thought on the actual

2606
02:21:10,874 --> 02:21:12,974
in the weeds of it,

2607
02:21:12,976 --> 02:21:14,075
which is not the

2608
02:21:14,077 --> 02:21:15,109
place for it here.

2609
02:21:24,854 --> 02:21:26,287
sector projects. We

2610
02:21:26,289 --> 02:21:27,355
can't meet our goals

2611
02:21:27,357 --> 02:21:28,823
without that. So

2612
02:21:28,825 --> 02:21:30,591
anything we can do to

2613
02:21:30,593 --> 02:21:32,360
open it up for, for

2614
02:21:32,362 --> 02:21:33,527
government agencies

2615
02:21:33,529 --> 02:21:34,996
across the state, to

2616
02:21:34,998 --> 02:21:35,963
be the leaders on

2617
02:21:45,341 --> 02:21:47,174
the biggest barriers

2618
02:21:47,176 --> 02:21:49,343
that educating the

2619
02:21:49,345 --> 02:21:52,246
internal agencies and

2620
02:21:52,248 --> 02:21:52,847
departments and

2621
02:21:52,849 --> 02:21:55,116
decision makers,

2622
02:22:04,928 --> 02:22:06,260
the community. And

2623
02:22:06,262 --> 02:22:07,662
it's really the the

2624
02:22:07,664 --> 02:22:08,362
decision makers

2625
02:22:08,364 --> 02:22:09,563
inside these

2626
02:22:09,565 --> 02:22:10,197
organizations. So

2627
02:22:10,199 --> 02:22:11,265
that's really

2628
02:22:11,267 --> 02:22:12,133
important. And then

2629
02:22:12,135 --> 02:22:13,467
of course,

2630
02:22:13,469 --> 02:22:15,636
interconnection just

2631
02:22:25,315 --> 02:22:26,447
They think of this as

2632
02:22:26,449 --> 02:22:28,416
an extra. So comes

2633
02:22:28,418 --> 02:22:30,017
back to education

2634
02:22:30,019 --> 02:22:30,885
that you can

2635
02:22:30,887 --> 02:22:31,852
integrate it and be

2636
02:22:31,854 --> 02:22:32,887
really smart and even

2637
02:22:32,889 --> 02:22:34,388
more sustainable. So

2638
02:22:34,390 --> 02:22:35,122
that that second

2639
02:22:44,767 --> 02:22:46,233
through these power

2640
02:22:46,235 --> 02:22:48,436
purchase agreements.

2641
02:22:48,438 --> 02:22:49,503
You know, the

2642
02:22:49,505 --> 02:22:50,004
governor, I think

2643
02:22:50,006 --> 02:22:51,472
that right now, this

2644
02:22:51,474 --> 02:22:52,373
government grant I'm

2645
02:22:52,375 --> 02:22:54,542
hearing, we held a

2646
02:22:54,544 --> 02:22:55,543
webinar last week to

2647
02:23:04,954 --> 02:23:07,054
And so specifically,

2648
02:23:07,056 --> 02:23:11,058
those costs and the

2649
02:23:11,060 --> 02:23:11,792
education piece is

2650
02:23:11,794 --> 02:23:12,927
most important to

2651
02:23:25,074 --> 02:23:26,140
times it does fall on

2652
02:23:26,142 --> 02:23:27,141
one person, typically

2653
02:23:27,143 --> 02:23:28,376
at a school to kind

2654
02:23:28,378 --> 02:23:29,410
of put that project

2655
02:23:29,412 --> 02:23:30,478
in, do they want to

2656
02:23:30,480 --> 02:23:32,680
do more work or, you

2657
02:23:32,682 --> 02:23:33,681
know, do they have

2658
02:23:33,683 --> 02:23:34,648
the capacity to do

2659
02:23:34,650 --> 02:23:35,649
more work? So making

2660
02:23:45,995 --> 02:23:47,028
program or some other

2661
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:48,496
sort of like RFP or

2662
02:23:48,498 --> 02:23:49,897
kind of reverse RFP

2663
02:23:49,899 --> 02:23:50,464
process. So people

2664
02:23:50,466 --> 02:23:52,500
are learning at these

2665
02:23:52,502 --> 02:23:52,900
meetings, maybe

2666
02:23:52,902 --> 02:23:53,834
they're putting their

2667
02:23:53,836 --> 02:23:54,969
school bill through a

2668
02:23:54,971 --> 02:23:55,903
financial calculator

2669
02:24:05,848 --> 02:24:07,214
people have, you know,

2670
02:24:07,216 --> 02:24:07,948
you're basically

2671
02:24:07,950 --> 02:24:09,183
handing a lead to the,

2672
02:24:09,185 --> 02:24:10,184
to the people that

2673
02:24:10,186 --> 02:24:11,218
are going to put the

2674
02:24:11,220 --> 02:24:12,620
project in. So it

2675
02:24:12,622 --> 02:24:13,421
just doesn't sit in

2676
02:24:13,423 --> 02:24:15,156
idea purgatory. It

2677
02:24:24,500 --> 02:24:26,300
assistance to support

2678
02:24:26,302 --> 02:24:27,401
schools, communities.

2679
02:24:27,403 --> 02:24:29,136
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

2680
02:24:29,138 --> 02:24:30,271
>> Yeah. They

2681
02:24:30,273 --> 02:24:31,038
specifically wanted

2682
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:32,840
direct technical

2683
02:24:32,842 --> 02:24:33,541
assistance, someone

2684
02:24:33,543 --> 02:24:34,308
to kind of hold their

2685
02:24:34,310 --> 02:24:35,142
hands through this

2686
02:24:45,388 --> 02:24:47,154
removing that for

2687
02:24:47,156 --> 02:24:48,622
government bodies or

2688
02:24:48,624 --> 02:24:50,424
extending this grant

2689
02:24:50,426 --> 02:24:51,192
and, you know,

2690
02:24:51,194 --> 02:24:52,293
raising the cap, they

2691
02:24:52,295 --> 02:24:53,661
love the grant, we

2692
02:24:53,663 --> 02:24:55,062
need that to be

2693
02:25:05,975 --> 02:25:06,707
facilities, has been

2694
02:25:06,709 --> 02:25:07,708
the complex

2695
02:25:07,710 --> 02:25:08,409
procurement processes

2696
02:25:08,411 --> 02:25:09,143
that they have to go

2697
02:25:09,145 --> 02:25:10,177
through, and that's

2698
02:25:10,179 --> 02:25:11,112
not always worth it.

2699
02:25:11,114 --> 02:25:12,046
If you're talking

2700
02:25:12,048 --> 02:25:12,513
about an elementary

2701
02:25:12,515 --> 02:25:13,280
school and the small

2702
02:25:13,282 --> 02:25:14,281
battery that would go

2703
02:25:24,494 --> 02:25:29,597
to add that. Speaking

2704
02:25:29,599 --> 02:25:33,567
to Dawn's. Comments

2705
02:25:33,569 --> 02:25:35,069
about overcoming

2706
02:25:44,680 --> 02:25:46,213
thing that could help

2707
02:25:46,215 --> 02:25:47,414
overcome some of this

2708
02:25:47,416 --> 02:25:49,483
that we've seen done

2709
02:25:49,485 --> 02:25:50,918
by private

2710
02:25:50,920 --> 02:25:51,552
philanthropy with the

2711
02:25:51,554 --> 02:25:52,653
Richmond Foundation

2712
02:25:52,655 --> 02:25:54,155
and also

2713
02:25:54,157 --> 02:25:54,822
Charlottesville

2714
02:26:05,635 --> 02:26:07,067
cover the capital

2715
02:26:07,069 --> 02:26:07,768
cost, the maintenance

2716
02:26:07,770 --> 02:26:08,836
costs, the

2717
02:26:08,838 --> 02:26:10,704
performance risk. But

2718
02:26:10,706 --> 02:26:11,705
what it doesn't cover

2719
02:26:11,707 --> 02:26:13,207
is overcoming

2720
02:26:13,209 --> 02:26:14,675
institutional inertia.

2721
02:26:25,454 --> 02:26:28,355
could leverage huge

2722
02:26:28,357 --> 02:26:29,790
private capital

2723
02:26:29,792 --> 02:26:31,559
investment in these

2724
02:26:31,561 --> 02:26:34,094
public facilities. If

2725
02:26:40,736 --> 02:26:46,373
can be overcome by an

2726
02:26:46,375 --> 02:26:50,978
incentive grant. And

2727
02:26:50,980 --> 02:26:51,712
it's already spoken

2728
02:26:51,714 --> 02:26:53,147
to in here with

2729
02:26:53,149 --> 02:26:54,548
support pathways for

2730
02:26:54,550 --> 02:26:55,916
large. Any energy

2731
02:27:04,227 --> 02:27:06,360
of taxpayer funds. It

2732
02:27:06,362 --> 02:27:08,229
could be perhaps a

2733
02:27:08,231 --> 02:27:09,630
contribution by large

2734
02:27:09,632 --> 02:27:11,832
energy customers to

2735
02:27:11,834 --> 02:27:13,234
support such a fund

2736
02:27:13,236 --> 02:27:15,369
that could be used

2737
02:27:22,178 --> 02:27:28,415
built.

2738
02:27:28,417 --> 02:27:29,516
>> This is a dumb

2739
02:27:29,518 --> 02:27:30,150
question on

2740
02:27:30,152 --> 02:27:30,618
procurement that I

2741
02:27:30,620 --> 02:27:31,585
just don't know the

2742
02:27:31,587 --> 02:27:32,553
answer to. Can the

2743
02:27:32,555 --> 02:27:35,222
state is a state

2744
02:27:45,801 --> 02:27:47,101
to go through its own.

2745
02:27:47,103 --> 02:27:48,669
Or is it two ships in

2746
02:27:48,671 --> 02:27:48,969
the night?

2747
02:27:48,971 --> 02:27:50,971
>> Yes, we have that

2748
02:27:50,973 --> 02:27:52,506
with performance

2749
02:27:52,508 --> 02:27:53,274
contracting and with

2750
02:27:53,276 --> 02:27:54,608
the demand response

2751
02:27:54,610 --> 02:27:55,809
program. But we it

2752
02:28:05,054 --> 02:28:06,620
regulations and

2753
02:28:06,622 --> 02:28:11,525
requirements.

2754
02:28:11,527 --> 02:28:12,493
>> Thank you everyone.

2755
02:28:12,495 --> 02:28:12,993
Interest of time

2756
02:28:12,995 --> 02:28:14,495
again. We'll move on.

2757
02:28:14,497 --> 02:28:15,796
We'll hand it over to

2758
02:28:24,540 --> 02:28:26,140
here with you all. My

2759
02:28:26,142 --> 02:28:26,707
name is Colleen

2760
02:28:26,709 --> 02:28:28,475
Wallace. We have

2761
02:28:28,477 --> 02:28:29,176
skipped over

2762
02:28:29,178 --> 02:28:29,943
recommendation six

2763
02:28:29,945 --> 02:28:30,811
and seven for now in

2764
02:28:30,813 --> 02:28:31,845
the interest of time

2765
02:28:31,847 --> 02:28:32,780
regarding utilities,

2766
02:28:32,782 --> 02:28:33,781
but we'll head to

2767
02:28:33,783 --> 02:28:34,682
recommendation nine

2768
02:28:34,684 --> 02:28:35,983
to talk about

2769
02:28:44,960 --> 02:28:46,827
has two components.

2770
02:28:46,829 --> 02:28:48,295
The first will

2771
02:28:48,297 --> 02:28:48,962
operationalize

2772
02:28:48,964 --> 02:28:50,764
chapter 314 framework.

2773
02:28:50,766 --> 02:28:52,966
And the second ties

2774
02:28:52,968 --> 02:28:54,868
to that work for

2775
02:28:54,870 --> 02:28:55,869
directive three,

2776
02:29:05,481 --> 02:29:07,681
compliance and the

2777
02:29:07,683 --> 02:29:08,782
plan with an action

2778
02:29:08,784 --> 02:29:10,184
deadline in February

2779
02:29:10,186 --> 02:29:13,220
of 2027. So framing

2780
02:29:24,633 --> 02:29:26,066
replacing those

2781
02:29:26,068 --> 02:29:27,901
frameworks with a

2782
02:29:27,903 --> 02:29:28,969
target alignment

2783
02:29:28,971 --> 02:29:31,171
around the Irec model

2784
02:29:31,173 --> 02:29:32,206
interconnection

2785
02:29:32,208 --> 02:29:34,041
procedures. So this

2786
02:29:34,043 --> 02:29:34,742
effort will be

2787
02:29:43,819 --> 02:29:46,186
in this filing could

2788
02:29:46,188 --> 02:29:47,721
have a cascading

2789
02:29:47,723 --> 02:29:49,523
effect. So sequencing

2790
02:29:49,525 --> 02:29:50,557
these is worth

2791
02:29:50,559 --> 02:29:51,291
flagging for the

2792
02:29:51,293 --> 02:29:55,629
group. We did have a

2793
02:30:04,940 --> 02:30:07,441
action. Two will be

2794
02:30:07,443 --> 02:30:09,343
that the SEC would

2795
02:30:09,345 --> 02:30:10,344
assess the alignment

2796
02:30:10,346 --> 02:30:11,512
with the current IEEE

2797
02:30:11,514 --> 02:30:12,913
and UL standards, no

2798
02:30:12,915 --> 02:30:14,415
less than every three

2799
02:30:14,417 --> 02:30:15,449
years. I think

2800
02:30:25,895 --> 02:30:27,294
rulemaking as needed

2801
02:30:27,296 --> 02:30:28,362
to align with these

2802
02:30:28,364 --> 02:30:30,097
irec interconnection

2803
02:30:30,099 --> 02:30:31,198
standards and

2804
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:33,434
requirements. This

2805
02:30:33,436 --> 02:30:34,468
directly responds to

2806
02:30:34,470 --> 02:30:35,903
a scoring concern

2807
02:30:45,281 --> 02:30:46,713
the absence of a

2808
02:30:46,715 --> 02:30:47,448
standing mechanism

2809
02:30:47,450 --> 02:30:48,916
for keeping pace with

2810
02:30:48,918 --> 02:30:49,983
national models. And

2811
02:30:49,985 --> 02:30:51,018
obviously, that Iraq

2812
02:30:51,020 --> 02:30:52,853
is our our national

2813
02:30:52,855 --> 02:30:55,022
model. So this covers

2814
02:31:04,633 --> 02:31:06,533
addresses Ferc order

2815
02:31:06,535 --> 02:31:07,901
2222 compliance

2816
02:31:07,903 --> 02:31:09,102
directly. It will

2817
02:31:09,104 --> 02:31:10,504
establish rules for

2818
02:31:10,506 --> 02:31:11,572
coordination between

2819
02:31:11,574 --> 02:31:13,040
aggregators and our

2820
02:31:13,042 --> 02:31:14,107
electric electric

2821
02:31:14,109 --> 02:31:14,775
distribution

2822
02:31:14,777 --> 02:31:15,843
companies. So it will

2823
02:31:24,153 --> 02:31:27,721
retail and wholesale.

2824
02:31:27,723 --> 02:31:28,822
And the anti double

2825
02:31:28,824 --> 02:31:30,290
counting provision

2826
02:31:30,292 --> 02:31:31,358
really can be

2827
02:31:31,360 --> 02:31:32,059
addressed in our

2828
02:31:32,061 --> 02:31:32,960
report. And described

2829
02:31:32,962 --> 02:31:34,561
as a safeguard

2830
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:46,440
once through the PJM

2831
02:31:46,442 --> 02:31:48,976
wholesale market.

2832
02:31:48,978 --> 02:31:50,077
>> I was just going

2833
02:31:50,079 --> 02:31:51,078
to say that's good.

2834
02:31:51,080 --> 02:31:52,145
If you add in at the

2835
02:31:52,147 --> 02:31:54,047
same time, right?

2836
02:32:03,025 --> 02:32:10,898
meter socket adapters.

2837
02:32:10,900 --> 02:32:12,065
>> The only feedback

2838
02:32:12,067 --> 02:32:13,600
that I have is just

2839
02:32:13,602 --> 02:32:15,235
on number one. It

2840
02:32:15,237 --> 02:32:15,769
feels like it's going

2841
02:32:24,313 --> 02:32:26,480
14 and and 315

2842
02:32:26,482 --> 02:32:27,481
address different

2843
02:32:27,483 --> 02:32:29,016
scales and sizes of

2844
02:32:29,018 --> 02:32:30,117
Ders. So I think that

2845
02:32:30,119 --> 02:32:31,018
there is actually

2846
02:32:31,020 --> 02:32:32,019
some value in having

2847
02:32:32,021 --> 02:32:33,253
them separated out.

2848
02:32:33,255 --> 02:32:34,388
So I do wonder if

2849
02:32:34,390 --> 02:32:35,455
it's sort of like

2850
02:32:45,668 --> 02:32:46,567
think is going to

2851
02:32:46,569 --> 02:32:48,201
just take a lot more

2852
02:32:48,203 --> 02:32:49,136
time than necessary.

2853
02:32:49,138 --> 02:32:49,803
>> That's a great

2854
02:32:49,805 --> 02:32:50,938
comment on time. I'm

2855
02:32:50,940 --> 02:32:51,972
curious, do you think

2856
02:32:51,974 --> 02:32:53,607
that still aligning

2857
02:32:53,609 --> 02:32:55,409
with Irec processes

2858
02:33:05,287 --> 02:33:06,153
>> Okay. Perfect.

2859
02:33:06,155 --> 02:33:09,990
Thank you.

2860
02:33:09,992 --> 02:33:11,058
>> Yes, I would

2861
02:33:11,060 --> 02:33:12,125
concur with that just

2862
02:33:12,127 --> 02:33:13,226
because of the time

2863
02:33:13,228 --> 02:33:14,595
element, not because

2864
02:33:24,773 --> 02:33:26,840
such as timeliness

2865
02:33:26,842 --> 02:33:28,241
for interconnection

2866
02:33:28,243 --> 02:33:29,076
and things of that

2867
02:33:29,078 --> 02:33:30,077
nature, which are not

2868
02:33:30,079 --> 02:33:34,081
currently in. 315.

2869
02:33:44,860 --> 02:33:48,462
1547, 2018 into

2870
02:33:48,464 --> 02:33:52,065
chapter 315, that it

2871
02:33:52,067 --> 02:33:53,900
provide for mandatory

2872
02:33:53,902 --> 02:33:54,968
inverter grid support

2873
02:34:05,114 --> 02:34:07,147
through that would

2874
02:34:07,149 --> 02:34:08,982
open the pathway

2875
02:34:08,984 --> 02:34:10,417
really for improved

2876
02:34:25,934 --> 02:34:29,136
are steps designed

2877
02:34:29,138 --> 02:34:33,106
for systems that

2878
02:34:33,108 --> 02:34:34,574
don't have those

2879
02:34:34,576 --> 02:34:35,709
capabilities, like

2880
02:34:39,181 --> 02:34:52,526
certified. So that

2881
02:34:52,528 --> 02:34:53,226
have that language

2882
02:34:53,228 --> 02:34:54,628
about mandatory

2883
02:35:05,507 --> 02:35:07,274
your comment around

2884
02:35:07,276 --> 02:35:08,475
ride through and ride

2885
02:35:08,477 --> 02:35:09,776
through requirements.

2886
02:35:09,778 --> 02:35:10,944
Do you think that

2887
02:35:10,946 --> 02:35:12,279
they should be

2888
02:35:12,281 --> 02:35:13,013
delineated according

2889
02:35:13,015 --> 02:35:14,948
to like the scale of

2890
02:35:25,627 --> 02:35:27,060
yes, unless proven

2891
02:35:27,062 --> 02:35:29,162
otherwise. Certainly

2892
02:35:29,164 --> 02:35:30,630
for and again, this

2893
02:35:30,632 --> 02:35:32,199
is something that we

2894
02:35:32,201 --> 02:35:34,301
can, if you're if

2895
02:35:34,303 --> 02:35:35,368
we're suggesting

2896
02:35:44,279 --> 02:35:46,146
recognize how

2897
02:35:46,148 --> 02:35:47,581
inverters, how that

2898
02:35:47,583 --> 02:35:48,281
technology has

2899
02:35:48,283 --> 02:35:49,382
changed so

2900
02:35:49,384 --> 02:35:50,851
dramatically since

2901
02:35:50,853 --> 02:35:52,953
2003. And we're not

2902
02:35:52,955 --> 02:35:53,887
using that capability

2903
02:36:05,601 --> 02:36:06,700
of those standards no

2904
02:36:06,702 --> 02:36:08,168
less than every three

2905
02:36:08,170 --> 02:36:08,668
years. Would you like

2906
02:36:08,670 --> 02:36:09,903
to see that extended

2907
02:36:09,905 --> 02:36:14,941
or sped up?

2908
02:36:14,943 --> 02:36:15,976
>> Well, there could

2909
02:36:25,721 --> 02:36:27,587
forget what it's off

2910
02:36:27,589 --> 02:36:30,791
the bat. 29 something

2911
02:36:30,793 --> 02:36:32,959
that provides for

2912
02:36:32,961 --> 02:36:33,660
cybersecurity and

2913
02:36:45,307 --> 02:36:46,973
that's going on these

2914
02:36:46,975 --> 02:36:50,210
days from foreign

2915
02:36:50,212 --> 02:36:55,248
sources. So yeah.

2916
02:37:05,794 --> 02:37:07,160
there are now, and

2917
02:37:07,162 --> 02:37:08,028
this is for exactly

2918
02:37:08,030 --> 02:37:09,296
the reason Tony just

2919
02:37:09,298 --> 02:37:10,730
mentioned. There's

2920
02:37:10,732 --> 02:37:12,599
now some federal

2921
02:37:12,601 --> 02:37:13,433
nexus to some things

2922
02:37:13,435 --> 02:37:14,367
that used to be

2923
02:37:14,369 --> 02:37:15,302
purely state. And

2924
02:37:19,741 --> 02:37:27,681
the cyber stuff.

2925
02:37:27,683 --> 02:37:28,782
>> It's important.

2926
02:37:28,784 --> 02:37:30,584
>> We get 3.5 billion

2927
02:37:30,586 --> 02:37:31,618
with a B cyber

2928
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:32,352
attacks per month,

2929
02:37:32,354 --> 02:37:34,221
attempted cyber

2930
02:37:34,223 --> 02:37:46,366
attacks.

2931
02:37:46,368 --> 02:37:47,868
>> Okay, I'll pass it

2932
02:37:47,870 --> 02:37:50,003
off. Thank you.

2933
02:37:50,005 --> 02:37:50,971
>> Did you want

2934
02:37:50,973 --> 02:37:51,972
feedback on the meter

2935
02:37:51,974 --> 02:37:52,339
socket adapter

2936
02:37:52,341 --> 02:37:53,240
portion to if.

2937
02:37:53,242 --> 02:37:53,607
>> Yes.

2938
02:37:53,609 --> 02:37:55,775
>> So I think the

2939
02:38:04,753 --> 02:38:06,286
gets hung up is the

2940
02:38:06,288 --> 02:38:06,953
deployment

2941
02:38:06,955 --> 02:38:08,088
requirements. And so

2942
02:38:08,090 --> 02:38:08,722
what work is allowed

2943
02:38:08,724 --> 02:38:09,823
to be done by a

2944
02:38:09,825 --> 02:38:10,523
contractor? What's

2945
02:38:10,525 --> 02:38:11,491
allowed to be done by

2946
02:38:11,493 --> 02:38:13,760
a customer contract

2947
02:38:13,762 --> 02:38:14,828
electrician? What

2948
02:38:14,830 --> 02:38:15,896
requires a utility

2949
02:38:25,774 --> 02:38:27,407
so we will add

2950
02:38:27,409 --> 02:38:28,174
validity to

2951
02:38:28,176 --> 02:38:28,875
contractor and

2952
02:38:28,877 --> 02:38:30,310
tagging assessments

2953
02:38:30,312 --> 02:38:31,711
when we do the sub

2954
02:38:31,713 --> 02:38:32,879
action. When we

2955
02:38:32,881 --> 02:38:33,280
mentioned meter

2956
02:38:33,282 --> 02:38:35,415
socket adapter

2957
02:38:45,794 --> 02:38:46,559
I'm advised we're

2958
02:38:46,561 --> 02:38:47,961
doing our next direct

2959
02:38:47,963 --> 02:38:49,729
transfer trip filing

2960
02:38:49,731 --> 02:38:51,598
on November 5th. And

2961
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:52,999
I realize that is

2962
02:38:53,001 --> 02:38:54,868
uncommon. That is

2963
02:39:05,247 --> 02:39:06,313
So the the November

2964
02:39:06,315 --> 02:39:08,281
coming up November

2965
02:39:08,283 --> 02:39:11,685
5th.

2966
02:39:11,687 --> 02:39:12,686
>> Great. All right.

2967
02:39:12,688 --> 02:39:13,753
I think I'm going to

2968
02:39:13,755 --> 02:39:14,821
I'm going to jump in

2969
02:39:14,823 --> 02:39:15,889
and give in timing.

2970
02:39:25,867 --> 02:39:26,866
I've been taking a

2971
02:39:26,868 --> 02:39:27,867
lot of notes and

2972
02:39:27,869 --> 02:39:28,668
appreciate the

2973
02:39:28,670 --> 02:39:30,070
feedback before

2974
02:39:30,072 --> 02:39:32,272
moving to see if we

2975
02:39:32,274 --> 02:39:33,440
approve submission of

2976
02:39:33,442 --> 02:39:35,108
this very draft

2977
02:39:45,554 --> 02:39:47,020
regulatory, executive

2978
02:39:47,022 --> 02:39:48,488
actions, industry

2979
02:39:48,490 --> 02:39:49,189
actions that we

2980
02:39:49,191 --> 02:39:49,689
haven't covered. We

2981
02:39:49,691 --> 02:39:50,724
want to make sure to

2982
02:39:50,726 --> 02:39:51,624
talk about.

2983
02:39:51,626 --> 02:39:52,659
>> I'm sure a lot of

2984
02:39:52,661 --> 02:39:53,760
us have additional

2985
02:39:53,762 --> 02:39:54,561
feedback. What's the

2986
02:39:54,563 --> 02:39:55,662
best way to get that

2987
02:40:05,874 --> 02:40:06,906
If it's kind of

2988
02:40:06,908 --> 02:40:07,874
comments and very

2989
02:40:07,876 --> 02:40:08,775
specific. Otherwise,

2990
02:40:08,777 --> 02:40:09,743
if it's a little bit

2991
02:40:09,745 --> 02:40:10,677
more general, feel

2992
02:40:10,679 --> 02:40:11,745
free to just email it

2993
02:40:11,747 --> 02:40:12,746
in bullet points. If

2994
02:40:12,748 --> 02:40:13,980
it's kind of meta

2995
02:40:13,982 --> 02:40:15,015
meta level. Okay,

2996
02:40:15,017 --> 02:40:15,749
that makes sense.

2997
02:40:25,160 --> 02:40:26,526
>> In the interest of

2998
02:40:26,528 --> 02:40:28,061
engaging someone who

2999
02:40:28,063 --> 02:40:29,529
doesn't, hasn't had

3000
02:40:29,531 --> 02:40:30,597
much opportunity to

3001
02:40:30,599 --> 02:40:35,168
speak, I John Farmer.

3002
02:40:45,580 --> 02:40:50,016
party DES and making

3003
02:40:50,018 --> 02:40:51,451
investments in

3004
02:40:51,453 --> 02:40:52,886
improving grid

3005
02:40:52,888 --> 02:40:54,087
utilization. I know

3006
02:40:54,089 --> 02:40:55,422
that's a little bit

3007
02:41:03,698 --> 02:41:07,000
time. From a

3008
02:41:07,002 --> 02:41:08,034
ratepayer perspective,

3009
02:41:08,036 --> 02:41:08,868
on the surface that

3010
02:41:08,870 --> 02:41:10,837
would look like, oh,

3011
02:41:10,839 --> 02:41:12,639
why would we as

3012
02:41:12,641 --> 02:41:13,740
ratepayers want to

3013
02:41:13,742 --> 02:41:14,808
provide extra rewards

3014
02:41:14,810 --> 02:41:15,642
to utilities? Well,

3015
02:41:25,754 --> 02:41:26,786
Brattle Group and the

3016
02:41:26,788 --> 02:41:29,289
Pew Charitable Trusts,

3017
02:41:29,291 --> 02:41:30,256
where improvements in

3018
02:41:30,258 --> 02:41:31,391
grid utilization

3019
02:41:31,393 --> 02:41:32,092
translate to

3020
02:41:32,094 --> 02:41:34,260
ratepayer benefits.

3021
02:41:34,262 --> 02:41:35,728
So this is something

3022
02:41:45,507 --> 02:41:46,506
interconnection

3023
02:41:46,508 --> 02:41:48,341
guidelines and

3024
02:41:48,343 --> 02:41:49,409
incentivizing

3025
02:41:49,411 --> 02:41:51,177
utilities to make

3026
02:41:51,179 --> 02:41:52,645
those kinds of

3027
02:41:52,647 --> 02:41:53,746
investments so as to

3028
02:42:04,526 --> 02:42:08,461
grid. So I would

3029
02:42:08,463 --> 02:42:10,263
really welcome John's

3030
02:42:10,265 --> 02:42:11,097
comments on that.

3031
02:42:11,099 --> 02:42:12,432
From a consumer

3032
02:42:12,434 --> 02:42:13,867
perspective, how what

3033
02:42:13,869 --> 02:42:14,968
are some ways in

3034
02:42:24,246 --> 02:42:27,981
utilization?

3035
02:42:27,983 --> 02:42:29,048
>> Yeah, I appreciate

3036
02:42:29,050 --> 02:42:32,318
that, Tony. And, you

3037
02:42:32,320 --> 02:42:33,720
know, we did skip

3038
02:42:33,722 --> 02:42:34,821
over recommendation

3039
02:42:34,823 --> 02:42:35,822
six, and I did have

3040
02:42:44,933 --> 02:42:47,167
you know, enhanced

3041
02:42:47,169 --> 02:42:48,134
ROE is something that

3042
02:42:48,136 --> 02:42:51,004
that will raise raise

3043
02:42:51,006 --> 02:42:52,138
my eyebrows. And so

3044
02:42:52,140 --> 02:42:53,106
this is something

3045
02:43:03,552 --> 02:43:06,052
impacts here. I think

3046
02:43:06,054 --> 02:43:07,153
it's important to, to

3047
02:43:07,155 --> 02:43:08,354
be able to quantify,

3048
02:43:08,356 --> 02:43:10,023
you know, the, the

3049
02:43:10,025 --> 02:43:11,524
net benefits. And so

3050
02:43:11,526 --> 02:43:13,326
I, I just think, you

3051
02:43:13,328 --> 02:43:14,427
know, often the devil

3052
02:43:14,429 --> 02:43:15,562
is going to be in the

3053
02:43:25,974 --> 02:43:27,774
so I think as we as

3054
02:43:27,776 --> 02:43:30,176
we look at at this

3055
02:43:30,178 --> 02:43:30,610
recommendation, I

3056
02:43:30,612 --> 02:43:31,611
just think that's an

3057
02:43:31,613 --> 02:43:32,378
important important

3058
02:43:44,392 --> 02:43:46,125
the of the

3059
02:43:46,127 --> 02:43:46,593
conversation today.

3060
02:43:46,595 --> 02:43:47,860
And this isn't a

3061
02:43:47,862 --> 02:43:48,962
concern that would

3062
02:43:48,964 --> 02:43:50,396
that would, you know,

3063
02:43:50,398 --> 02:43:52,665
upset my vote related

3064
02:43:52,667 --> 02:43:54,634
to that.

3065
02:44:04,446 --> 02:44:06,279
energy resources. And

3066
02:44:06,281 --> 02:44:08,114
my read of the G T, S

3067
02:44:08,116 --> 02:44:09,148
a and the eligible

3068
02:44:09,150 --> 02:44:09,849
projects under that

3069
02:44:09,851 --> 02:44:11,584
is that Dominion and

3070
02:44:11,586 --> 02:44:13,019
Apco already can

3071
02:44:13,021 --> 02:44:13,886
petition to include

3072
02:44:13,888 --> 02:44:14,954
things like the Irrs,

3073
02:44:14,956 --> 02:44:15,521
whether they're

3074
02:44:24,633 --> 02:44:26,366
And so I just

3075
02:44:26,368 --> 02:44:26,833
challenge, I think

3076
02:44:26,835 --> 02:44:27,800
the underlying

3077
02:44:27,802 --> 02:44:28,468
assumption there that

3078
02:44:28,470 --> 02:44:30,637
there's somehow a

3079
02:44:30,639 --> 02:44:31,771
uneven playing field

3080
02:44:31,773 --> 02:44:32,839
between the resources.

3081
02:44:32,841 --> 02:44:33,906
Like we could

3082
02:44:33,908 --> 02:44:34,741
certainly work with

3083
02:44:34,743 --> 02:44:35,842
our utilities to

3084
02:44:45,120 --> 02:44:46,152
sort of tool that's

3085
02:44:46,154 --> 02:44:47,287
already out there.

3086
02:44:47,289 --> 02:44:48,288
>> Mr. chairman, I

3087
02:44:48,290 --> 02:44:48,688
have the same

3088
02:44:48,690 --> 02:44:49,422
recollection of that

3089
02:44:49,424 --> 02:44:50,390
bill. It's been

3090
02:44:50,392 --> 02:44:51,357
almost nine years and

3091
02:44:51,359 --> 02:44:52,292
I'm getting older.

3092
02:44:52,294 --> 02:44:53,393
But I do think that

3093
02:44:53,395 --> 02:44:53,693
that's.

3094
02:44:53,695 --> 02:44:54,627
>> That's right.

3095
02:44:54,629 --> 02:44:55,695
>> The way I remember

3096
02:44:55,697 --> 02:44:55,928
it.

3097
02:45:05,674 --> 02:45:06,439
filed, at least for

3098
02:45:06,441 --> 02:45:08,574
the IOUs through the

3099
02:45:08,576 --> 02:45:09,542
DSM framework, they

3100
02:45:09,544 --> 02:45:10,977
can earn a rate of

3101
02:45:10,979 --> 02:45:11,711
return and an

3102
02:45:11,713 --> 02:45:12,445
enhanced rate of

3103
02:45:12,447 --> 02:45:13,479
return. So I do think

3104
02:45:13,481 --> 02:45:15,014
that the framing here

3105
02:45:25,860 --> 02:45:27,026
>> Can I ask the task

3106
02:45:27,028 --> 02:45:28,027
force one quick

3107
02:45:28,029 --> 02:45:28,995
question. On action

3108
02:45:28,997 --> 02:45:30,863
two, we note the

3109
02:45:30,865 --> 02:45:32,298
unified cost benefit

3110
02:45:32,300 --> 02:45:33,366
analysis. And to

3111
02:45:33,368 --> 02:45:34,467
everyone's points

3112
02:45:34,469 --> 02:45:35,601
call out that they

3113
02:45:45,580 --> 02:45:46,479
specifics that you

3114
02:45:46,481 --> 02:45:47,447
all could give us

3115
02:45:47,449 --> 02:45:48,848
feedback on that.

3116
02:45:48,850 --> 02:45:49,982
>> I would say let's

3117
02:45:49,984 --> 02:45:50,850
not recreate the

3118
02:45:50,852 --> 02:45:52,085
wheel there. We

3119
02:45:52,087 --> 02:45:52,785
literally spent two

3120
02:45:52,787 --> 02:45:53,886
years in a docket

3121
02:45:53,888 --> 02:45:54,954
going through all of

3122
02:46:05,734 --> 02:46:07,200
test has a lot of

3123
02:46:07,202 --> 02:46:08,201
detail in it

3124
02:46:08,203 --> 02:46:09,369
regarding

3125
02:46:09,371 --> 02:46:10,036
quantifiable and

3126
02:46:10,038 --> 02:46:11,137
non-quantifiable

3127
02:46:11,139 --> 02:46:12,638
benefits, and some of

3128
02:46:12,640 --> 02:46:13,706
the benefits that

3129
02:46:13,708 --> 02:46:14,474
typically have not

3130
02:46:14,476 --> 02:46:15,575
been quantified are

3131
02:46:25,653 --> 02:46:33,459
as the foundation.

3132
02:46:33,461 --> 02:46:34,460
>> Angela, can you

3133
02:46:34,462 --> 02:46:35,461
clarify, was that on

3134
02:46:45,440 --> 02:46:46,472
you know, one

3135
02:46:46,474 --> 02:46:47,540
question that we have

3136
02:46:47,542 --> 02:46:49,342
is how the GST would

3137
02:46:49,344 --> 02:46:51,144
be applied to other

3138
02:46:51,146 --> 02:46:51,944
ders going forward.

3139
02:46:51,946 --> 02:46:52,678
And I think that's

3140
02:46:52,680 --> 02:46:54,414
still an open

3141
02:47:05,226 --> 02:47:06,559
the next couple of

3142
02:47:06,561 --> 02:47:08,027
days, thinking to

3143
02:47:08,029 --> 02:47:10,129
move forward and turn

3144
02:47:10,131 --> 02:47:11,564
it back over to chief

3145
02:47:11,566 --> 02:47:15,268
to. See if we approve

3146
02:47:24,946 --> 02:47:27,079
not a final set of

3147
02:47:27,081 --> 02:47:28,648
recommendations yet.

3148
02:47:28,650 --> 02:47:29,315
We'll vote more

3149
02:47:29,317 --> 02:47:30,082
specifically on that

3150
02:47:30,084 --> 02:47:32,552
the next time. So

3151
02:47:32,554 --> 02:47:34,120
before we do, do you

3152
02:47:45,667 --> 02:47:46,966
this very room in

3153
02:47:46,968 --> 02:47:47,667
January and February,

3154
02:47:47,669 --> 02:47:48,768
I may have to express

3155
02:47:48,770 --> 02:47:50,570
an opinion on some of

3156
02:47:50,572 --> 02:47:51,671
these that result in

3157
02:47:51,673 --> 02:47:53,072
pieces of legislation

3158
02:47:53,074 --> 02:47:53,806
that have not yet

3159
02:48:05,987 --> 02:48:08,154
together so quickly.

3160
02:48:08,156 --> 02:48:09,522
>> And I just have a

3161
02:48:09,524 --> 02:48:11,457
clarifying question

3162
02:48:11,459 --> 02:48:12,825
when it comes to

3163
02:48:12,827 --> 02:48:13,926
emergency operations

3164
02:48:13,928 --> 02:48:15,728
and reliability and

3165
02:48:23,605 --> 02:48:26,772
actions around that?

3166
02:48:26,774 --> 02:48:27,907
>> I would suggest

3167
02:48:27,909 --> 02:48:29,041
our utility

3168
02:48:29,043 --> 02:48:29,408
operations and

3169
02:48:29,410 --> 02:48:31,577
planning section.

3170
02:48:31,579 --> 02:48:32,411
That would probably

3171
02:48:32,413 --> 02:48:34,113
be ideal alongside

3172
02:48:34,115 --> 02:48:35,214
anything that is a

3173
02:48:35,216 --> 02:48:35,915
standardized process

3174
02:48:45,894 --> 02:48:46,626
currently not

3175
02:48:46,628 --> 02:48:47,627
feasible.

3176
02:48:47,629 --> 02:48:49,161
>> And yet to done.

3177
02:48:49,163 --> 02:48:49,862
Adding to that, if

3178
02:48:49,864 --> 02:48:50,796
you're kind of

3179
02:48:50,798 --> 02:48:53,099
speaking to the

3180
02:48:53,101 --> 02:48:54,166
resilience hub model,

3181
02:48:54,168 --> 02:48:54,867
like funding for

3182
02:49:05,547 --> 02:49:06,646
a lot is baked in

3183
02:49:06,648 --> 02:49:07,580
there, but that's

3184
02:49:07,582 --> 02:49:08,848
considered under that

3185
02:49:08,850 --> 02:49:10,283
recommendation. Yeah.

3186
02:49:10,285 --> 02:49:11,417
>> I have a similar

3187
02:49:11,419 --> 02:49:13,219
question. So if I

3188
02:49:13,221 --> 02:49:13,920
didn't mention it,

3189
02:49:13,922 --> 02:49:15,721
but just Agrivoltaics

3190
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:27,066
and engaging the

3191
02:49:27,068 --> 02:49:28,534
rural communities is

3192
02:49:28,536 --> 02:49:30,336
the value stack

3193
02:49:30,338 --> 02:49:31,337
portion of the

3194
02:49:31,339 --> 02:49:31,804
recommendations the

3195
02:49:31,806 --> 02:49:34,240
best place to to put

3196
02:49:34,242 --> 02:49:35,341
any recommendations?

3197
02:49:45,620 --> 02:49:46,485
framework for for

3198
02:49:46,487 --> 02:49:49,755
Agrivoltaics as well.

3199
02:49:49,757 --> 02:49:50,489
>> That's that's

3200
02:49:50,491 --> 02:49:51,591
where my mind went,

3201
02:49:51,593 --> 02:49:52,892
at least when I was

3202
02:49:52,894 --> 02:49:53,392
reading your comments,

3203
02:49:53,394 --> 02:49:54,894
is that would be in

3204
02:50:01,869 --> 02:50:09,108
>> Thanks.

3205
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:11,711
>> All right. Now I

3206
02:50:11,713 --> 02:50:13,813
will call the roll to

3207
02:50:13,815 --> 02:50:15,615
to get a vote on this

3208
02:50:45,813 --> 02:50:48,347
>> I.

3209
02:50:48,349 --> 02:50:51,250
>> Kerry Hearn. I

3210
02:50:51,252 --> 02:50:54,520
John Farmer. I

3211
02:50:54,522 --> 02:50:55,554
Lieutenant governor,

3212
02:51:02,096 --> 02:51:06,399
Kapoor. I Richard

3213
02:51:06,401 --> 02:51:08,534
Caperton. I Tony

3214
02:51:08,536 --> 02:51:14,607
smith I. Don alexy. I

3215
02:51:23,284 --> 02:51:30,222
votes I. All right

3216
02:51:30,224 --> 02:51:31,557
well I'll now ask

3217
02:51:31,559 --> 02:51:33,025
Luis to give an

3218
02:51:33,027 --> 02:51:34,593
update on next steps

3219
02:51:34,595 --> 02:51:35,561
and wrap up.

3220
02:51:44,939 --> 02:51:46,305
next meeting, Tuesday,

3221
02:51:46,307 --> 02:51:47,707
October 13th where we

3222
02:51:47,709 --> 02:51:51,711
will review the final

3223
02:51:51,713 --> 02:51:53,245
final materials ahead

3224
02:51:53,247 --> 02:51:55,014
of the November 1st

3225
02:51:55,016 --> 02:51:55,748
deadline for this

3226
02:52:05,827 --> 02:52:07,159
set up one on ones

3227
02:52:07,161 --> 02:52:07,893
given the really

3228
02:52:07,895 --> 02:52:08,994
quick turnaround.

3229
02:52:08,996 --> 02:52:10,129
Would appreciate any

3230
02:52:10,131 --> 02:52:11,197
feedback this week if

3231
02:52:11,199 --> 02:52:13,099
possible. And we'll

3232
02:52:13,101 --> 02:52:13,966
try to turn that as

3233
02:52:13,968 --> 02:52:15,735
quickly as, as we can

3234
02:52:25,880 --> 02:52:26,879
we'll send some more

3235
02:52:26,881 --> 02:52:27,379
logistics information

3236
02:52:27,381 --> 02:52:28,080
on this, but I think

3237
02:52:28,082 --> 02:52:30,950
we'll. Ahead of the

3238
02:52:30,952 --> 02:52:32,184
next meeting, likely

3239
02:52:32,186 --> 02:52:32,918
we'll do some sort of

3240
02:52:32,920 --> 02:52:33,986
kind of online, like

3241
02:52:33,988 --> 02:52:34,954
an initial

3242
02:52:34,956 --> 02:52:35,688
preliminary vote to

3243
02:52:45,099 --> 02:52:46,465
it won't really count

3244
02:52:46,467 --> 02:52:47,266
towards we'll redo

3245
02:52:47,268 --> 02:52:48,234
the vote basically

3246
02:52:48,236 --> 02:52:48,601
live.

3247
02:52:48,603 --> 02:52:49,001
>> Sorry.

3248
02:52:49,003 --> 02:52:50,236
>> I just had a

3249
02:52:50,238 --> 02:52:50,736
question just given

3250
02:52:50,738 --> 02:52:53,038
the mentions today of

3251
02:52:53,040 --> 02:52:54,039
the energy plan, do

3252
02:52:54,041 --> 02:52:55,040
you think we could

3253
02:53:05,887 --> 02:53:07,019
>> And we we are not

3254
02:53:07,021 --> 02:53:08,420
allowed to do virtual

3255
02:53:08,422 --> 02:53:09,421
or email voting. Is

3256
02:53:09,423 --> 02:53:10,256
that correct? Are we

3257
02:53:10,258 --> 02:53:12,024
allowed to vote like

3258
02:53:12,026 --> 02:53:13,893
remotely? I've got

3259
02:53:13,895 --> 02:53:14,960
out of state travel

3260
02:53:14,962 --> 02:53:15,628
during the next

3261
02:53:22,470 --> 02:53:26,472
>> Yeah. All right.

3262
02:53:26,474 --> 02:53:27,540
Great. And then turn

3263
02:53:27,542 --> 02:53:31,410
it back to chair.

3264
02:53:31,412 --> 02:53:32,578
>> All right. This

3265
02:53:32,580 --> 02:53:33,979
task force values the

3266
02:53:33,981 --> 02:53:35,748
input perspective and

3267
02:53:45,526 --> 02:53:46,192
Individual should

3268
02:53:46,194 --> 02:53:47,026
state their full name

3269
02:53:47,028 --> 02:53:48,727
and organizational

3270
02:53:48,729 --> 02:53:49,528
affiliation, and we

3271
02:53:49,530 --> 02:53:51,597
will give everyone

3272
02:53:51,599 --> 02:53:53,432
three minutes to

3273
02:54:05,646 --> 02:54:07,146
citizen of Virginia

3274
02:54:07,148 --> 02:54:08,581
and just representing

3275
02:54:08,583 --> 02:54:09,982
myself, and I've

3276
02:54:09,984 --> 02:54:10,749
attended all your

3277
02:54:10,751 --> 02:54:11,750
meetings and I read

3278
02:54:11,752 --> 02:54:13,719
your report. Thank

3279
02:54:13,721 --> 02:54:14,753
you for giving me the

3280
02:54:14,755 --> 02:54:15,721
opportunity to share

3281
02:54:25,900 --> 02:54:26,999
have to be realistic

3282
02:54:27,001 --> 02:54:27,900
about what you can

3283
02:54:27,902 --> 02:54:29,034
get done. But I also

3284
02:54:29,036 --> 02:54:30,436
see that this group

3285
02:54:30,438 --> 02:54:32,238
is really high

3286
02:54:32,240 --> 02:54:33,372
horsepower and fires

3287
02:54:33,374 --> 02:54:35,507
on all cylinders, and

3288
02:54:45,720 --> 02:54:47,019
that's what can be

3289
02:54:47,021 --> 02:54:47,486
accomplished within

3290
02:54:47,488 --> 02:54:48,520
the term of your

3291
02:54:48,522 --> 02:54:50,990
sunsetting. I think

3292
02:54:50,992 --> 02:54:52,091
that's both important

3293
02:54:52,093 --> 02:54:53,859
because anybody going

3294
02:54:53,861 --> 02:54:55,294
forward that doesn't

3295
02:55:05,940 --> 02:55:06,939
I would say just

3296
02:55:06,941 --> 02:55:07,940
think a little bigger.

3297
02:55:07,942 --> 02:55:08,340
Think about what

3298
02:55:08,342 --> 02:55:09,141
exists beyond you

3299
02:55:09,143 --> 02:55:10,542
after this, after

3300
02:55:10,544 --> 02:55:11,710
this team sunsets.

3301
02:55:11,712 --> 02:55:26,625
Thank you.

3302
02:55:26,627 --> 02:55:28,160
>> All right. Seeing

3303
02:55:28,162 --> 02:55:29,561
no more individuals

3304
02:55:29,563 --> 02:55:30,629
wishing to provide

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public comment, I

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will close the public

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comment period. The

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task force agenda for