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cameras on, you all

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have to unmute it

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once. So call to

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order an introduction.

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I guess to call to

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order is that we're

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here for our fees and

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residential rental

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agreements. Work

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group meeting. This

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is our third or

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fourth or fifth, I

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can't tell. They're

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all starting to blur

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together, but we are

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moving towards

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consensus. So I'm not

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gonna have everybody

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go around. We all

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know who each other

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are. I think for the

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most part by now,

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unless there's

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anybody who's brand

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new on the on the

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zoom, I will say I am

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here with Christy Ma.

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That's why my name

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shows as both. She's

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got a meeting later,

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so I figured we would

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kick the kick this

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meeting off together.

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>> So Mister Chair.

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>> Yep. PJ.

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>> We do have

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somebody new with us.

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Our associate

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legislative can't

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call our council yet

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because we're waiting

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on the bar results.

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But Katie Bortz has

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joined our team, so

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she is on the Zoom as

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part of our

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legislative soon to

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be knock on Wood

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Council pending those

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bar results. But so

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Katie is joining us.

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>> Welcome, Katie.

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October 9th is only

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I'm sure you're

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counting down. We've

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got some associates

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in our firm who are

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are also looking

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forward to that

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October 9th date.

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>> Very much. Yes.

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>> All right. So with

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that we're going to

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kick it into SB 349.

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trying to do,

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Jessica's get a draft

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that captured the

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things that there

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weren't any

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disagreement on. And

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then you also sent

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out some materials

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that sort of

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highlight the areas

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where there are is a

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lack of consensus.

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note where some areas

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we thought we had

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consensus, but they

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decided that we don't

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anymore. I'm giving

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them a hard time here.

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those sections as

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well. I think my goal,

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hopefully for this

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meeting, is to get to

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a point where at

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least we know where

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we're going to get

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consensus, and we

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also maybe know that

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where we won't. And

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so we have something

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to present to the

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full housing

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Commission where we

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can say, hey, you

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know, a bill that

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just did these things

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would have

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everybody's universal

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support. And then

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here are the areas of,

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you know, potential

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disagreement. And we

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can decide what the

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Housing Commission

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wants to weigh in on

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that or not weigh in

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on those and leave

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those for somebody

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else's bill. So

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think, what we're

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trying to get. I

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think we'd like to

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get as much consensus

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as we can, as always,

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the goal. So with

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that, Jessica, do we

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have a starting place

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that you wanted to go?

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pretty accurately.

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that was a great

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summary. I can start

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by sharing the bill

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or sharing the

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language

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considerations. There

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altered in response

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to the realtors

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comments that. Around

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last night from

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additional workgroup

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members. So. However,

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the group would like

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to address. If you

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want to go down piece

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by piece and the

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items of non

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consensus and the

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realtors comments,

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then present

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alternative language

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from there.

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>> 777 through 785.

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language generally,

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because I had that.

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ahead, Jessica, pull

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up the bill and we'll

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zoom in on those.

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I've got it up on a

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larger screen here

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for myself, so I

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don't have to lean in

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too far and stare at

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the at your screen.

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whatever, you,

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think line 777 is

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still the right line,

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which is on page 2030,

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current language, I

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with in a workgroup

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is a current language.

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language, right, that

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draft is what we see

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in front of us is

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that. And that's just

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is that new language

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close to what's in

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the current statute?

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>> This is the new as

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of the what we what

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version I sent around

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yesterday.

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>> Gotcha. And who's

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on from who wants to

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sort of explain what

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we're pretty close. I

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think the realtors

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thoughts about this

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paragraph too, which

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of do this one, if we

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idea was that we were

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trying to capture the

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idea of

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non-contracted for

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repairs, right? So

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the issue we had was,

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hey, you've got to

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provide receipts. And

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pushback we're

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getting a little bit

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realtors is what if

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they do, you know,

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what about DIY type

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of fixes? How do we

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address those if

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there are no receipts

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because you didn't

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contract with

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somebody for things?

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basic problem we're

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trying to solve.

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>> Thank you, Mister

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Chair. Yeah, I can

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speak to the intent.

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This was language

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that we put in. Of

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course, there's the

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first part of it

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discussing the return

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of the security

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deposit, which in

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code was originally

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45 days. Our office

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proposed 30 days. We

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came to this

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compromise of 15 days.

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damages, 45 days. If

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there. Our. The

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second part of this

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that we put in is

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just ensuring that

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any deductions from

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the security deposit

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are matching the

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actual costs of

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repairing physical

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damages. And then we

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added that language

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related to invoices

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and receipts. That

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way there is

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documentation showing

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what that costs

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invoices slightly

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more forgiving if

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you're performing it

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yourself, or receipts

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for professional

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contractors. After

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reviewing some of the

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concerns from the

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realtors, our office

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spoke to Varma and

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had additional kind

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of recommendations as

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to how we can

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reformat this section

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to make it more clear.

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Happy to share that

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now. And Patrick, if

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you want to share

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that, but if the

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realtors wanted to

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speak to their

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concerns beforehand,

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our intention is just

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to make sure that

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deductions match the

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cost of repairs. And

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they have that

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documentation showing

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what that cost is.

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>> All right. So,

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Emily, you and

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Patrick have talked

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about this language

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that's before us, and

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you guys are in

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agreement about this.

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>> Yes. Him and I

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spoke this morning

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and reformatted it.

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And hopefully in a

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way to make it more

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clear. But Patrick,

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if you wanted to

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present this.

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>> That I agreed with

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some of the realtors

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comments that it was

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a little confusing

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because it kind of

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seemed to reference

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Itemization in two

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different ways and

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deductions. So what I

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suggested doing is

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first part, break it

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apart into two

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paragraphs to make it

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cleaner. Because look,

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if there's no damage,

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it's very simple. You

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return the security

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deposit, there's no

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itemization, you just

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return the deposit.

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So paragraph B is now

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all about no damage.

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Paragraph C takes the

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damaged section and

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it kind of rewords it

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in A or reorders it

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in a fashion that I

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think is a little

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easier to understand

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laying out. If you

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find the damage, you

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have 45 days and then

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it says you have to

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return the

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itemization and then

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it says how the

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itemization shall be

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structured. And what

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we did is then moved

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to the bottom, what

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things the landlord

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cannot do. So that's

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in the very bottom of

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the paragraph. So I

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think it takes the

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original paragraph

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and just makes it a

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lot easier to read

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and follow from a

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process.

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>> So we broke that.

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And then there'll be

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a new D for I guess

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for the as of the

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termination date.

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Correct. 793 but

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that's fine. So you

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guys decided to add a

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new E? Well, we'll

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just, we'll just keep

382
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relocating the rest

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of the way through.

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Okay, so you guys

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have said I like b, I

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mean, right, this is

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really clean, right?

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And it's its own

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paragraph. There's no

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damage. You got 15

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days to give it back.

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And then what we did

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with C was, was just,

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I'm just restating

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what you said, just

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go through. So I'll

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let everybody who

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hasn't seen this

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before take a minute

400
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to take a look at

401
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that DJ or Katie,

402
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does this address. I

403
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suspect we're Aaron's

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concerns or y'all's

405
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concerns.

406
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>> I know Aaron's

407
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working on getting on

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that. She just walked

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in. So I know Aaron's

410
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working on getting on

411
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the call. The receipt

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indicating that we've

413
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had services done.

414
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Aaron's flagging. Yes,

415
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I saw your text. I

416
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just I'm sorry guys.

417
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>> Okay.

418
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>> Aaron, Aaron said

419
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receipt indicates

420
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we've had services

421
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done and paid. And

422
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the only other thing

423
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I would just flag is

424
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we talked about 15

425
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business days versus

426
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15 days, realizing

427
00:16:02,030 --> 00:16:02,863
there's no damage

428
00:16:02,865 --> 00:16:04,765
done, but just

429
00:16:04,767 --> 00:16:06,600
flagging that also.

430
00:16:06,602 --> 00:16:06,933
>> Gotcha.

431
00:16:06,935 --> 00:16:10,103
>> All right.

432
00:16:10,105 --> 00:16:12,005
>> So but what

433
00:16:12,007 --> 00:16:12,806
Patrick sorry, what

434
00:16:12,808 --> 00:16:13,473
Patrick's done here

435
00:16:13,475 --> 00:16:14,474
with the pulling out

436
00:16:14,476 --> 00:16:15,475
that makes, I mean,

437
00:16:15,477 --> 00:16:16,543
to the non-lawyer in

438
00:16:16,545 --> 00:16:17,711
me, that makes sense.

439
00:16:17,713 --> 00:16:18,812
>> So the itemization

440
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has to include the

441
00:16:19,815 --> 00:16:20,614
cost of services

442
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provided to the cost

443
00:16:22,184 --> 00:16:22,883
of materials used.

444
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Three the number of

445
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hours and the hourly

446
00:16:24,653 --> 00:16:25,619
free labor charge to

447
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the same. It doesn't

448
00:16:26,655 --> 00:16:28,522
talk about receipt

449
00:16:28,524 --> 00:16:29,322
anymore, it just

450
00:16:29,324 --> 00:16:30,657
talks about

451
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Itemization.

452
00:16:33,162 --> 00:16:34,694
>> I guess I don't

453
00:16:34,696 --> 00:16:40,033
understand the. So.

454
00:16:40,035 --> 00:16:41,468
Is it is it

455
00:16:41,470 --> 00:16:43,270
conflicting because C

456
00:16:43,272 --> 00:16:45,105
one says you must

457
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include the cost of

458
00:16:46,141 --> 00:16:47,274
any professional

459
00:16:47,276 --> 00:16:47,808
services performed by

460
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a third party, and

461
00:16:49,378 --> 00:16:50,377
then it says the

462
00:16:50,379 --> 00:16:51,211
landlord shall not

463
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apply the security

464
00:16:52,247 --> 00:16:53,413
deposit to the cost

465
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of professional

466
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services. So I find

467
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that a little bit

468
00:16:57,286 --> 00:16:58,185
unclear. But again,

469
00:16:58,187 --> 00:16:59,119
it's the first time

470
00:16:59,121 --> 00:17:00,220
I'm seeing it.

471
00:17:00,222 --> 00:17:02,355
>> It's it has the

472
00:17:02,357 --> 00:17:03,423
less reasonable wear

473
00:17:03,425 --> 00:17:04,257
and tear has been

474
00:17:04,259 --> 00:17:05,258
moved to the very

475
00:17:05,260 --> 00:17:06,493
bottom. So it allows

476
00:17:06,495 --> 00:17:07,761
the exclusion based

477
00:17:07,763 --> 00:17:08,428
upon the reasonable

478
00:17:08,430 --> 00:17:09,896
wear and tear.

479
00:17:09,898 --> 00:17:12,899
>> But I right, I see

480
00:17:12,901 --> 00:17:13,700
the intent and I

481
00:17:13,702 --> 00:17:14,668
don't disagree with

482
00:17:14,670 --> 00:17:15,702
the intent. I just

483
00:17:15,704 --> 00:17:16,536
think this is a

484
00:17:16,538 --> 00:17:18,171
little bit confusing,

485
00:17:18,173 --> 00:17:18,405
right.

486
00:17:18,407 --> 00:17:19,105
>> And line I think

487
00:17:19,107 --> 00:17:19,873
what we're talking

488
00:17:19,875 --> 00:17:21,041
about Aaron on line

489
00:17:21,043 --> 00:17:22,142
789 receipt indicates

490
00:17:22,144 --> 00:17:23,243
that the services

491
00:17:23,245 --> 00:17:26,446
have been performed.

492
00:17:26,448 --> 00:17:27,614
Not like here's

493
00:17:27,616 --> 00:17:28,014
what's going to

494
00:17:28,016 --> 00:17:29,349
charge to fix your

495
00:17:29,351 --> 00:17:30,417
unit, like you know,

496
00:17:30,419 --> 00:17:31,852
or fix the stove or

497
00:17:31,854 --> 00:17:32,619
like, except like

498
00:17:32,621 --> 00:17:33,353
receipt indicates,

499
00:17:33,355 --> 00:17:34,688
like I have paid for

500
00:17:34,690 --> 00:17:35,956
these, here's the,

501
00:17:35,958 --> 00:17:37,624
here's the.

502
00:17:37,626 --> 00:17:38,625
>> Emily, did you

503
00:17:38,627 --> 00:17:39,626
want to weigh in.

504
00:17:39,628 --> 00:17:39,960
>> On that?

505
00:17:39,962 --> 00:17:41,628
>> I see what you're

506
00:17:41,630 --> 00:17:41,895
saying.

507
00:17:41,897 --> 00:17:42,696
>> Yeah. So, so

508
00:17:42,698 --> 00:17:43,697
Kristi's point. So it

509
00:17:43,699 --> 00:17:47,734
does. It does say

510
00:17:47,736 --> 00:17:48,435
Itemization. And that

511
00:17:48,437 --> 00:17:49,536
was this language

512
00:17:49,538 --> 00:17:50,270
hasn't actually

513
00:17:50,272 --> 00:17:50,937
changed in terms of

514
00:17:50,939 --> 00:17:52,038
the content from the

515
00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,073
pre from the

516
00:17:53,075 --> 00:17:54,241
consensus draft. The

517
00:17:54,243 --> 00:17:55,308
actual language

518
00:17:55,310 --> 00:17:56,309
itself is the same.

519
00:17:56,311 --> 00:17:56,776
We've just reordered

520
00:17:56,778 --> 00:17:58,278
it. So that language

521
00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,579
at the end, Christie

522
00:17:59,581 --> 00:18:00,013
hopefully kind of

523
00:18:00,015 --> 00:18:01,748
gets to your point of

524
00:18:01,750 --> 00:18:02,816
it does say shall not

525
00:18:02,818 --> 00:18:03,817
apply any portion of

526
00:18:03,819 --> 00:18:04,718
the security deposit

527
00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:05,752
toward essentially A

528
00:18:05,754 --> 00:18:06,820
and B, but it does

529
00:18:06,822 --> 00:18:07,954
state unless they are

530
00:18:07,956 --> 00:18:08,588
reasonably necessary

531
00:18:08,590 --> 00:18:09,990
to return it to the

532
00:18:09,992 --> 00:18:10,790
same condition. So

533
00:18:10,792 --> 00:18:11,591
there's that caveat

534
00:18:11,593 --> 00:18:12,659
of you can it just

535
00:18:12,661 --> 00:18:14,694
needs to be necessary.

536
00:18:14,696 --> 00:18:16,129
>> Okay. All right.

537
00:18:16,131 --> 00:18:18,298
>> I'm okay. So the

538
00:18:18,300 --> 00:18:19,399
realtors point into

539
00:18:19,401 --> 00:18:20,433
Jay's point. This is

540
00:18:20,435 --> 00:18:20,901
something that you

541
00:18:20,903 --> 00:18:22,269
would provide after

542
00:18:22,271 --> 00:18:23,670
45 days. And the

543
00:18:23,672 --> 00:18:24,371
intention here is

544
00:18:24,373 --> 00:18:25,872
just to ensure, you

545
00:18:25,874 --> 00:18:27,040
know, already in code,

546
00:18:27,042 --> 00:18:28,041
you have to return

547
00:18:28,043 --> 00:18:29,075
the security deposit

548
00:18:29,077 --> 00:18:30,543
within 45 days. I

549
00:18:30,545 --> 00:18:31,544
think, you know, I

550
00:18:31,546 --> 00:18:31,945
was speaking to

551
00:18:31,947 --> 00:18:32,746
Patrick, there might

552
00:18:32,748 --> 00:18:33,847
be that extra 15 days

553
00:18:33,849 --> 00:18:35,582
if you have to hire a

554
00:18:35,584 --> 00:18:37,684
contractor, but this

555
00:18:37,686 --> 00:18:39,319
is if you're removing

556
00:18:39,321 --> 00:18:40,053
if you're providing

557
00:18:40,055 --> 00:18:41,087
the security deposit

558
00:18:41,089 --> 00:18:43,490
back within 45 days.

559
00:18:43,492 --> 00:18:44,224
From our

560
00:18:44,226 --> 00:18:44,958
understanding, it

561
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:45,659
doesn't quite make

562
00:18:45,661 --> 00:18:46,359
sense logically, that

563
00:18:46,361 --> 00:18:47,093
you would only

564
00:18:47,095 --> 00:18:48,495
provide an estimate

565
00:18:48,497 --> 00:18:49,629
of what these costs

566
00:18:49,631 --> 00:18:51,131
are. If you're if

567
00:18:51,133 --> 00:18:52,065
you're returning the

568
00:18:52,067 --> 00:18:53,199
security deposit, the

569
00:18:53,201 --> 00:18:54,334
hope would be that

570
00:18:54,336 --> 00:18:55,001
you're giving the

571
00:18:55,003 --> 00:18:56,469
exact amount back

572
00:18:56,471 --> 00:18:57,270
that you already know

573
00:18:57,272 --> 00:18:58,238
what that cost is

574
00:18:58,240 --> 00:18:59,139
because that service

575
00:18:59,141 --> 00:19:01,875
was already performed

576
00:19:01,877 --> 00:19:04,411
within that 45 days.

577
00:19:04,413 --> 00:19:05,478
Whereas from our

578
00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:05,879
understanding,

579
00:19:05,881 --> 00:19:06,479
stating that you

580
00:19:06,481 --> 00:19:07,480
would be giving them

581
00:19:07,482 --> 00:19:07,981
an estimate is

582
00:19:07,983 --> 00:19:08,715
implying that that

583
00:19:08,717 --> 00:19:09,749
work has not been

584
00:19:09,751 --> 00:19:10,850
done and that

585
00:19:10,852 --> 00:19:11,952
therefore the amount

586
00:19:11,954 --> 00:19:12,986
returned would not

587
00:19:12,988 --> 00:19:14,087
necessarily actually

588
00:19:14,089 --> 00:19:15,188
equal what is

589
00:19:15,190 --> 00:19:16,089
necessary to perform

590
00:19:16,091 --> 00:19:17,123
that service. And

591
00:19:17,125 --> 00:19:17,924
that's our intent, is

592
00:19:17,926 --> 00:19:18,925
to make sure that

593
00:19:18,927 --> 00:19:19,993
they are getting back

594
00:19:19,995 --> 00:19:21,328
what is actually used.

595
00:19:21,330 --> 00:19:22,529
>> So the the.

596
00:19:22,531 --> 00:19:23,196
>> Trade off is more

597
00:19:23,198 --> 00:19:23,964
time, right? So we

598
00:19:23,966 --> 00:19:25,732
could get it back to

599
00:19:25,734 --> 00:19:26,733
them faster. If you

600
00:19:26,735 --> 00:19:27,801
let us give them an

601
00:19:27,803 --> 00:19:28,735
estimate or an

602
00:19:28,737 --> 00:19:29,202
invoice, as opposed

603
00:19:29,204 --> 00:19:30,370
to a receipt showing

604
00:19:30,372 --> 00:19:31,438
it was already done.

605
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:32,138
You guys are saying

606
00:19:32,140 --> 00:19:33,006
willing to sacrifice

607
00:19:33,008 --> 00:19:34,641
the time for some

608
00:19:34,643 --> 00:19:35,175
certainty that this

609
00:19:35,177 --> 00:19:36,209
is the actual cost

610
00:19:36,211 --> 00:19:37,243
that was actually

611
00:19:37,245 --> 00:19:38,244
done.

612
00:19:38,246 --> 00:19:39,346
>> And I think it's

613
00:19:39,348 --> 00:19:40,246
important to note

614
00:19:40,248 --> 00:19:41,247
that the code does

615
00:19:41,249 --> 00:19:42,649
give an extra 15 days.

616
00:19:42,651 --> 00:19:43,750
If you do have to use

617
00:19:43,752 --> 00:19:45,018
a third party

618
00:19:45,020 --> 00:19:46,152
contractor. All right.

619
00:19:46,154 --> 00:19:47,220
So it changes that

620
00:19:47,222 --> 00:19:48,989
from 45 to 60.

621
00:19:48,991 --> 00:19:49,622
>> Aaron, you have

622
00:19:49,624 --> 00:19:51,558
your hand up.

623
00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,660
>> Yeah. Sorry. I

624
00:19:53,662 --> 00:19:56,963
think it's absolutely

625
00:19:56,965 --> 00:19:58,431
happens a lot that

626
00:19:58,433 --> 00:19:59,799
they are not able to

627
00:19:59,801 --> 00:20:01,234
get the contractor

628
00:20:01,236 --> 00:20:03,770
out and get it done

629
00:20:03,772 --> 00:20:05,171
and have a receipt in

630
00:20:05,173 --> 00:20:07,040
time in 45 days. And

631
00:20:07,042 --> 00:20:09,542
I would hate for a

632
00:20:09,544 --> 00:20:10,610
landlord to be stuck

633
00:20:10,612 --> 00:20:12,045
with that cost based

634
00:20:12,047 --> 00:20:15,315
on a third party. So

635
00:20:15,317 --> 00:20:16,383
I understand what

636
00:20:16,385 --> 00:20:17,384
we're trying to get

637
00:20:17,386 --> 00:20:18,451
at. And I wish we

638
00:20:18,453 --> 00:20:19,586
were in a world where

639
00:20:19,588 --> 00:20:20,553
we could knock all

640
00:20:20,555 --> 00:20:21,521
that stuff off. We

641
00:20:21,523 --> 00:20:22,555
run into it in the

642
00:20:22,557 --> 00:20:25,025
courts all the time

643
00:20:25,027 --> 00:20:26,092
with, you know, the

644
00:20:26,094 --> 00:20:27,060
courts saying, you

645
00:20:27,062 --> 00:20:28,061
don't have a receipt,

646
00:20:28,063 --> 00:20:29,696
you can't, you know,

647
00:20:29,698 --> 00:20:30,797
charge for this. And

648
00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:31,898
and we can leave that

649
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:34,734
to the judge. But our

650
00:20:34,736 --> 00:20:36,169
members have

651
00:20:36,171 --> 00:20:37,937
consistently said

652
00:20:37,939 --> 00:20:39,472
that they are having

653
00:20:39,474 --> 00:20:40,507
issues with getting

654
00:20:40,509 --> 00:20:42,275
contractors out there,

655
00:20:42,277 --> 00:20:43,276
whether, you know, so

656
00:20:43,278 --> 00:20:43,610
they get the

657
00:20:43,612 --> 00:20:44,811
contractor out within

658
00:20:44,813 --> 00:20:46,246
10 or 15 days, but

659
00:20:46,248 --> 00:20:48,081
then they need to get

660
00:20:48,083 --> 00:20:48,782
additional work or

661
00:20:48,784 --> 00:20:51,017
order a part. 45 days

662
00:20:51,019 --> 00:20:52,352
just does not always

663
00:20:52,354 --> 00:20:53,453
work. And, you know,

664
00:20:53,455 --> 00:20:54,554
I would say an

665
00:20:54,556 --> 00:20:55,588
estimate should be

666
00:20:55,590 --> 00:20:56,689
just as good as long

667
00:20:56,691 --> 00:20:58,491
as it's itemized with

668
00:20:58,493 --> 00:21:00,326
all of these cost of

669
00:21:00,328 --> 00:21:01,394
materials, labor and

670
00:21:01,396 --> 00:21:02,429
all of that other

671
00:21:02,431 --> 00:21:03,863
stuff, which is more

672
00:21:03,865 --> 00:21:05,865
than the code calls

673
00:21:05,867 --> 00:21:10,403
for now.

674
00:21:10,405 --> 00:21:12,539
>> I think.

675
00:21:12,541 --> 00:21:13,606
>> Mr. Chair.

676
00:21:13,608 --> 00:21:15,408
>> Go ahead. Emily.

677
00:21:15,410 --> 00:21:16,743
>> Yeah, I understand

678
00:21:16,745 --> 00:21:18,278
that. And that is,

679
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:19,045
you know, to

680
00:21:19,047 --> 00:21:20,013
Patrick's point, the

681
00:21:20,015 --> 00:21:22,615
receipt is it's

682
00:21:22,617 --> 00:21:24,050
exclusively for the

683
00:21:24,052 --> 00:21:24,884
contract, like third

684
00:21:24,886 --> 00:21:25,852
party contractors,

685
00:21:25,854 --> 00:21:26,920
whereas for labor

686
00:21:26,922 --> 00:21:27,620
perform themselves,

687
00:21:27,622 --> 00:21:29,456
it's an invoice. I

688
00:21:29,458 --> 00:21:30,256
guess I'm a little

689
00:21:30,258 --> 00:21:31,191
confused as to how

690
00:21:31,193 --> 00:21:31,624
that works

691
00:21:31,626 --> 00:21:32,325
functionally right

692
00:21:32,327 --> 00:21:33,526
now, because even in

693
00:21:33,528 --> 00:21:34,494
code right now, you

694
00:21:34,496 --> 00:21:35,595
have 45 days to

695
00:21:35,597 --> 00:21:36,996
return the security

696
00:21:36,998 --> 00:21:38,431
deposit. And so I

697
00:21:38,433 --> 00:21:39,532
guess I'm wondering

698
00:21:39,534 --> 00:21:40,633
if that work is not

699
00:21:40,635 --> 00:21:41,301
being performed

700
00:21:41,303 --> 00:21:42,769
within 45 days, but

701
00:21:42,771 --> 00:21:43,837
there's currently the

702
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:44,604
requirement that the

703
00:21:44,606 --> 00:21:45,672
deposit be returned

704
00:21:45,674 --> 00:21:47,540
within 45 days. How

705
00:21:47,542 --> 00:21:48,575
are those deductions

706
00:21:48,577 --> 00:21:49,642
being calculated at

707
00:21:49,644 --> 00:21:51,044
the moment? If that

708
00:21:51,046 --> 00:21:52,145
work is not being

709
00:21:52,147 --> 00:21:53,580
done? And, you know,

710
00:21:53,582 --> 00:21:54,681
our intention is just

711
00:21:54,683 --> 00:21:56,449
to ensure that

712
00:21:56,451 --> 00:21:57,217
there's some

713
00:21:57,219 --> 00:21:57,650
accountability and

714
00:21:57,652 --> 00:21:58,585
that they are getting

715
00:21:58,587 --> 00:22:02,188
back what is unused.

716
00:22:02,190 --> 00:22:03,289
I you know, we were.

717
00:22:03,291 --> 00:22:04,491
>> Hopeful to answer

718
00:22:04,493 --> 00:22:05,358
your question. I

719
00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:06,192
think what happens

720
00:22:06,194 --> 00:22:06,893
usually this is not

721
00:22:06,895 --> 00:22:08,561
for good or for bad.

722
00:22:08,563 --> 00:22:09,028
What happens usually

723
00:22:09,030 --> 00:22:09,863
is the estimate far

724
00:22:09,865 --> 00:22:10,763
exceeds the amount of

725
00:22:10,765 --> 00:22:11,831
the security deposit.

726
00:22:11,833 --> 00:22:12,765
And they use that as

727
00:22:12,767 --> 00:22:14,534
the as the reason to

728
00:22:14,536 --> 00:22:15,535
keep the whole thing.

729
00:22:15,537 --> 00:22:16,536
I mean, that's my

730
00:22:16,538 --> 00:22:17,537
experience is you got

731
00:22:17,539 --> 00:22:17,937
$2,500 security

732
00:22:17,939 --> 00:22:18,671
deposit. They come up

733
00:22:18,673 --> 00:22:19,772
with an estimate for

734
00:22:19,774 --> 00:22:20,707
$3,000 worth of stuff.

735
00:22:20,709 --> 00:22:21,708
And then they say,

736
00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:22,709
you just, you don't

737
00:22:22,711 --> 00:22:23,776
get any back because

738
00:22:23,778 --> 00:22:24,744
it's going to cost us

739
00:22:24,746 --> 00:22:25,712
more than your

740
00:22:25,714 --> 00:22:25,979
deposit.

741
00:22:25,981 --> 00:22:26,846
>> Right. But and.

742
00:22:26,848 --> 00:22:28,548
>> I mean, I think

743
00:22:28,550 --> 00:22:29,549
the way that it's

744
00:22:29,551 --> 00:22:30,550
happening now is, for

745
00:22:30,552 --> 00:22:31,551
better or for worse,

746
00:22:31,553 --> 00:22:32,452
not all property

747
00:22:32,454 --> 00:22:33,520
managers have an on

748
00:22:33,522 --> 00:22:34,721
site maintenance team

749
00:22:34,723 --> 00:22:36,422
or an on site

750
00:22:36,424 --> 00:22:36,890
contractor, and so

751
00:22:36,892 --> 00:22:38,958
they are forced to

752
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,527
hire a third party

753
00:22:40,529 --> 00:22:41,194
and they're doing

754
00:22:41,196 --> 00:22:42,529
their best to get it

755
00:22:42,531 --> 00:22:43,897
done. But in the case

756
00:22:43,899 --> 00:22:44,664
that they can't,

757
00:22:44,666 --> 00:22:45,398
they're providing

758
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,466
what the code

759
00:22:46,468 --> 00:22:47,567
currently requires,

760
00:22:47,569 --> 00:22:49,002
which is an

761
00:22:49,004 --> 00:22:50,837
Itemization the code

762
00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:52,238
does not currently

763
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,339
require a receipt,

764
00:22:53,341 --> 00:22:54,440
meaning that the word

765
00:22:54,442 --> 00:22:55,842
work is done and paid

766
00:22:55,844 --> 00:22:56,576
for.

767
00:22:56,578 --> 00:22:56,910
>> Right.

768
00:22:56,912 --> 00:22:58,011
>> Christy? Thank you,

769
00:22:58,013 --> 00:22:59,012
Mr. Chairman. I think

770
00:22:59,014 --> 00:22:59,479
there are two

771
00:22:59,481 --> 00:23:00,947
separate issues. So,

772
00:23:00,949 --> 00:23:02,315
Emily, and to your

773
00:23:02,317 --> 00:23:03,316
point about does it

774
00:23:03,318 --> 00:23:04,517
say 45 days now,

775
00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:05,952
there is a provision

776
00:23:05,954 --> 00:23:06,953
that I don't think

777
00:23:06,955 --> 00:23:08,054
anyone is suggesting

778
00:23:08,056 --> 00:23:10,323
that we change and

779
00:23:10,325 --> 00:23:12,392
it's down in around

780
00:23:12,394 --> 00:23:15,628
line 848 of the draft

781
00:23:15,630 --> 00:23:17,463
that Jessica most

782
00:23:17,465 --> 00:23:18,565
recently sent. And it

783
00:23:18,567 --> 00:23:19,699
talks about, I guess

784
00:23:19,701 --> 00:23:21,434
it's 852, but it

785
00:23:21,436 --> 00:23:22,235
talks about, in

786
00:23:22,237 --> 00:23:23,469
certain circumstances,

787
00:23:23,471 --> 00:23:24,737
getting an additional

788
00:23:24,739 --> 00:23:26,072
15 days. So that's

789
00:23:26,074 --> 00:23:27,207
there. I don't think

790
00:23:27,209 --> 00:23:27,874
anyone's suggesting

791
00:23:27,876 --> 00:23:29,375
we take it out. And I

792
00:23:29,377 --> 00:23:30,810
think that should

793
00:23:30,812 --> 00:23:32,612
address your concern.

794
00:23:32,614 --> 00:23:34,047
Aaron and I, I would

795
00:23:34,049 --> 00:23:35,048
just say there's to

796
00:23:35,050 --> 00:23:36,249
me a big difference

797
00:23:36,251 --> 00:23:37,250
between getting a

798
00:23:37,252 --> 00:23:38,685
receipt for work

799
00:23:38,687 --> 00:23:39,786
performed and an

800
00:23:39,788 --> 00:23:40,853
estimate. And it's

801
00:23:40,855 --> 00:23:42,288
not about ill intent.

802
00:23:42,290 --> 00:23:44,090
Even the best

803
00:23:44,092 --> 00:23:45,758
intended landlords

804
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:46,693
are going to get it

805
00:23:46,695 --> 00:23:47,727
wrong sometimes. So

806
00:23:47,729 --> 00:23:48,795
let's wait and see

807
00:23:48,797 --> 00:23:49,729
what it actually

808
00:23:49,731 --> 00:23:50,730
costs and then use

809
00:23:50,732 --> 00:23:51,731
that. I just don't

810
00:23:51,733 --> 00:23:53,900
see the need to to do

811
00:23:53,902 --> 00:23:54,500
an estimate.

812
00:23:54,502 --> 00:23:55,602
>> So let me make

813
00:23:55,604 --> 00:23:56,536
sure I understand

814
00:23:56,538 --> 00:23:57,503
where we are real

815
00:23:57,505 --> 00:23:58,938
quick. So the two

816
00:23:58,940 --> 00:23:59,639
friction points seem

817
00:23:59,641 --> 00:24:01,274
to be if they're more,

818
00:24:01,276 --> 00:24:02,375
let me know. And then

819
00:24:02,377 --> 00:24:03,409
we can come back to

820
00:24:03,411 --> 00:24:04,377
this particular one.

821
00:24:04,379 --> 00:24:05,845
So we got 15 calendar

822
00:24:05,847 --> 00:24:07,113
days versus business

823
00:24:07,115 --> 00:24:08,615
days. And then we've

824
00:24:08,617 --> 00:24:11,451
got the question of

825
00:24:11,453 --> 00:24:11,884
receipts. Is there

826
00:24:11,886 --> 00:24:13,253
anything else other

827
00:24:13,255 --> 00:24:15,188
than receipts, Aaron,

828
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:16,155
that you have or

829
00:24:16,157 --> 00:24:17,557
anybody has, or those

830
00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,425
the two remaining

831
00:24:19,427 --> 00:24:20,493
controversies. That

832
00:24:20,495 --> 00:24:21,327
others. Aaron. Are

833
00:24:21,329 --> 00:24:21,894
there others? And

834
00:24:21,896 --> 00:24:22,629
with this with this

835
00:24:22,631 --> 00:24:22,996
section.

836
00:24:22,998 --> 00:24:23,696
>> Oh, with that

837
00:24:23,698 --> 00:24:24,464
section.

838
00:24:24,466 --> 00:24:25,531
>> Well, I mean, in

839
00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:25,932
this particular

840
00:24:25,934 --> 00:24:26,933
section, I don't I

841
00:24:26,935 --> 00:24:28,034
sent that email

842
00:24:28,036 --> 00:24:29,168
yesterday. So I don't

843
00:24:29,170 --> 00:24:40,647
let me look.

844
00:24:40,649 --> 00:24:41,147
>> Oh, this is our

845
00:24:41,149 --> 00:24:42,115
main instead of a

846
00:24:42,117 --> 00:24:43,116
shell somewhere that

847
00:24:43,118 --> 00:24:44,117
you wanted to do or

848
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:45,118
is that in a

849
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,019
different part?

850
00:24:46,021 --> 00:24:47,020
>> It's an under

851
00:24:47,022 --> 00:24:49,989
security deposit.

852
00:24:49,991 --> 00:24:50,990
>> That very small

853
00:24:50,992 --> 00:24:51,457
changes usually

854
00:24:51,459 --> 00:24:52,358
pretty significant

855
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:53,259
when we're doing that

856
00:24:53,261 --> 00:24:53,660
particular one.

857
00:24:53,662 --> 00:24:55,428
>> I did just really

858
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:56,829
just want to clarify

859
00:24:56,831 --> 00:24:58,231
before we go on what

860
00:24:58,233 --> 00:24:58,998
Christy was just

861
00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,732
saying, because there

862
00:24:59,734 --> 00:25:00,767
is that section that

863
00:25:00,769 --> 00:25:02,068
allows 15 additional

864
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:03,269
days, but that's only

865
00:25:03,271 --> 00:25:05,471
if you think the

866
00:25:05,473 --> 00:25:06,873
damages are going to

867
00:25:06,875 --> 00:25:08,374
exceed the security

868
00:25:08,376 --> 00:25:09,075
deposit. That's the

869
00:25:09,077 --> 00:25:10,143
only time you can do

870
00:25:10,145 --> 00:25:11,210
that if it exceeds

871
00:25:11,212 --> 00:25:12,078
the security deposit.

872
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,146
And if you need to

873
00:25:13,148 --> 00:25:14,480
hire a third party

874
00:25:14,482 --> 00:25:16,282
contractor.

875
00:25:16,284 --> 00:25:17,383
>> If you think it's

876
00:25:17,385 --> 00:25:18,384
going to be less,

877
00:25:18,386 --> 00:25:19,285
there's still some

878
00:25:19,287 --> 00:25:19,686
money. Here's an

879
00:25:19,688 --> 00:25:20,453
estimate. We still

880
00:25:20,455 --> 00:25:21,387
have some money

881
00:25:21,389 --> 00:25:22,388
coming back to you.

882
00:25:22,390 --> 00:25:23,489
Even if it's a dollar,

883
00:25:23,491 --> 00:25:24,424
you don't get the

884
00:25:24,426 --> 00:25:25,291
extra time.

885
00:25:25,293 --> 00:25:25,625
>> Correct.

886
00:25:25,627 --> 00:25:26,492
>> Okay. All right.

887
00:25:26,494 --> 00:25:27,460
Back to so what?

888
00:25:27,462 --> 00:25:28,461
You're what the beef

889
00:25:28,463 --> 00:25:33,566
on 768. So this is

890
00:25:33,568 --> 00:25:34,367
landlord should not

891
00:25:34,369 --> 00:25:36,135
be deemed to receive

892
00:25:36,137 --> 00:25:36,769
a security deposit.

893
00:25:36,771 --> 00:25:37,704
However denominated

894
00:25:37,706 --> 00:25:38,604
in any amount. This

895
00:25:38,606 --> 00:25:40,273
is back in a. So did

896
00:25:40,275 --> 00:25:41,874
we change. This is a.

897
00:25:41,876 --> 00:25:43,076
Okay, so it's above

898
00:25:43,078 --> 00:25:43,976
this part, but it's

899
00:25:43,978 --> 00:25:44,744
still about the

900
00:25:44,746 --> 00:25:52,318
security deposit.

901
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:52,919
Upon termination of

902
00:25:52,921 --> 00:25:54,087
the tenancy or the

903
00:25:54,089 --> 00:25:54,787
date that vacates

904
00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:55,488
unit, whichever is

905
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:56,589
last security

906
00:25:56,591 --> 00:25:57,323
deposits.

907
00:25:57,325 --> 00:25:58,224
>> It's still higher

908
00:25:58,226 --> 00:26:00,193
than that.

909
00:26:00,195 --> 00:26:01,327
>> Keep going up.

910
00:26:01,329 --> 00:26:03,129
>> There it is. All

911
00:26:03,131 --> 00:26:04,163
right. Yeah. Okay.

912
00:26:04,165 --> 00:26:04,897
>> No landlord may

913
00:26:04,899 --> 00:26:05,965
demand to receive a

914
00:26:05,967 --> 00:26:06,866
security deposit in

915
00:26:06,868 --> 00:26:07,800
an amount in excess

916
00:26:07,802 --> 00:26:08,167
of two months.

917
00:26:08,169 --> 00:26:11,738
Periodic rent.

918
00:26:11,740 --> 00:26:14,974
Security deposit. May

919
00:26:14,976 --> 00:26:16,776
be applied by the

920
00:26:16,778 --> 00:26:17,243
landlord solely to

921
00:26:17,245 --> 00:26:18,177
instead of shall be

922
00:26:18,179 --> 00:26:19,612
applied solely to.

923
00:26:19,614 --> 00:26:20,613
>> And, Mr. Chair,

924
00:26:20,615 --> 00:26:21,748
I'm happy to explain.

925
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:22,749
>> Why to versus

926
00:26:22,751 --> 00:26:23,916
shall be applied.

927
00:26:23,918 --> 00:26:24,283
Okay.

928
00:26:24,285 --> 00:26:25,385
>> I'm happy to

929
00:26:25,387 --> 00:26:25,752
explain.

930
00:26:25,754 --> 00:26:27,153
>> Yeah.

931
00:26:27,155 --> 00:26:28,688
>> This this is not

932
00:26:28,690 --> 00:26:30,089
like a stakeholder

933
00:26:30,091 --> 00:26:30,790
thing. This is just

934
00:26:30,792 --> 00:26:31,591
good. This is just

935
00:26:31,593 --> 00:26:32,992
good law writing. If

936
00:26:32,994 --> 00:26:34,727
we say shall be

937
00:26:34,729 --> 00:26:35,862
applied solely and

938
00:26:35,864 --> 00:26:37,964
then we list three

939
00:26:37,966 --> 00:26:38,564
romanists. That's the

940
00:26:38,566 --> 00:26:39,966
only way you can do

941
00:26:39,968 --> 00:26:40,967
it. And giving it

942
00:26:40,969 --> 00:26:42,034
back to the tenant is

943
00:26:42,036 --> 00:26:43,736
not included. I know

944
00:26:43,738 --> 00:26:44,270
everyone thinks

945
00:26:44,272 --> 00:26:45,538
that's silly, but

946
00:26:45,540 --> 00:26:47,006
it's just it should

947
00:26:47,008 --> 00:26:48,875
be May because they

948
00:26:48,877 --> 00:26:50,610
can do one of those

949
00:26:50,612 --> 00:26:51,344
things or they can

950
00:26:51,346 --> 00:26:52,378
give it back to the

951
00:26:52,380 --> 00:26:53,579
tenant. It's I don't

952
00:26:53,581 --> 00:26:54,480
know why we're

953
00:26:54,482 --> 00:26:55,214
changing it. I mean,

954
00:26:55,216 --> 00:26:56,282
I know what we're

955
00:26:56,284 --> 00:26:57,316
trying to get at, but

956
00:26:57,318 --> 00:26:58,184
that's just.

957
00:26:58,186 --> 00:26:59,218
>> Well, it's weird,

958
00:26:59,220 --> 00:27:00,253
I get it. It's may

959
00:27:00,255 --> 00:27:01,187
solely versus shall

960
00:27:01,189 --> 00:27:02,221
or the two ways of

961
00:27:02,223 --> 00:27:03,289
saying the same thing.

962
00:27:03,291 --> 00:27:04,190
Jessica, you have

963
00:27:04,192 --> 00:27:04,991
some thoughts.

964
00:27:04,993 --> 00:27:06,759
>> Yes. I sent DLS

965
00:27:06,761 --> 00:27:07,493
approved

966
00:27:07,495 --> 00:27:08,261
clarification

967
00:27:08,263 --> 00:27:08,928
language to you all

968
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:10,430
in August. That

969
00:27:10,432 --> 00:27:11,063
provides two options.

970
00:27:11,065 --> 00:27:12,165
We can sort of

971
00:27:12,167 --> 00:27:14,300
clarify this section.

972
00:27:14,302 --> 00:27:16,502
The first is adding

973
00:27:16,504 --> 00:27:18,738
after in charges we

974
00:27:18,740 --> 00:27:20,072
add together with any

975
00:27:20,074 --> 00:27:21,073
amount still due to

976
00:27:21,075 --> 00:27:22,608
the tenant after such

977
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:24,043
itemization. To be

978
00:27:24,045 --> 00:27:25,144
clear on that. And

979
00:27:25,146 --> 00:27:26,112
the second is we

980
00:27:26,114 --> 00:27:26,512
could amend the

981
00:27:26,514 --> 00:27:27,180
definition of

982
00:27:27,182 --> 00:27:28,114
security deposit to

983
00:27:28,116 --> 00:27:29,115
specify its return to

984
00:27:29,117 --> 00:27:30,183
the tenant after

985
00:27:30,185 --> 00:27:31,951
tenancy. But right

986
00:27:31,953 --> 00:27:35,588
here. Damages and

987
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:36,322
charges adding

988
00:27:36,324 --> 00:27:37,023
together with any

989
00:27:37,025 --> 00:27:37,824
amount still due to

990
00:27:37,826 --> 00:27:39,525
the tenant after such

991
00:27:39,527 --> 00:27:40,293
itemization. That's

992
00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:40,993
all in your inboxes

993
00:27:40,995 --> 00:27:42,094
from a previous email

994
00:27:42,096 --> 00:27:43,196
I sent as well.

995
00:27:43,198 --> 00:27:43,963
>> Gotcha. So there

996
00:27:43,965 --> 00:27:45,031
are a couple other we

997
00:27:45,033 --> 00:27:46,032
could, we could, we

998
00:27:46,034 --> 00:27:47,033
could, we could fix

999
00:27:47,035 --> 00:27:48,067
it by adding more

1000
00:27:48,069 --> 00:27:49,302
words or we could fix

1001
00:27:49,304 --> 00:27:51,437
it by. I well,

1002
00:27:51,439 --> 00:27:52,538
personally, I prefer

1003
00:27:52,540 --> 00:27:53,272
Aaron's solution,

1004
00:27:53,274 --> 00:27:54,340
which is to just go

1005
00:27:54,342 --> 00:27:55,741
to, to say may only

1006
00:27:55,743 --> 00:27:56,476
instead of shall,

1007
00:27:56,478 --> 00:27:57,376
which I think means

1008
00:27:57,378 --> 00:27:58,377
the same thing with

1009
00:27:58,379 --> 00:27:59,345
fewer words. But go

1010
00:27:59,347 --> 00:28:00,279
ahead, Christy. And

1011
00:28:00,281 --> 00:28:00,613
then Emily.

1012
00:28:00,615 --> 00:28:02,248
>> And the what I

1013
00:28:02,250 --> 00:28:03,282
think we're trying to

1014
00:28:03,284 --> 00:28:05,451
get at here is to be

1015
00:28:05,453 --> 00:28:08,287
very clear that this

1016
00:28:08,289 --> 00:28:09,388
is what's going to

1017
00:28:09,390 --> 00:28:10,523
happen with the

1018
00:28:10,525 --> 00:28:12,291
security deposit and

1019
00:28:12,293 --> 00:28:14,060
as opposed to the May,

1020
00:28:14,062 --> 00:28:16,629
which is, I think,

1021
00:28:16,631 --> 00:28:17,363
sometimes interpreted

1022
00:28:17,365 --> 00:28:18,064
as well. We don't

1023
00:28:18,066 --> 00:28:19,065
have to apply it to

1024
00:28:19,067 --> 00:28:20,199
any of these things

1025
00:28:20,201 --> 00:28:21,100
because that's a may.

1026
00:28:21,102 --> 00:28:22,969
So we want to make it

1027
00:28:22,971 --> 00:28:23,970
clear, I think, that,

1028
00:28:23,972 --> 00:28:24,971
yes, if you've got

1029
00:28:24,973 --> 00:28:26,339
any of these charges,

1030
00:28:26,341 --> 00:28:27,406
you must apply the

1031
00:28:27,408 --> 00:28:28,541
security deposit to

1032
00:28:28,543 --> 00:28:30,676
those charges rather

1033
00:28:30,678 --> 00:28:33,179
than sue the tenant

1034
00:28:33,181 --> 00:28:36,482
right to Aaron's

1035
00:28:36,484 --> 00:28:37,483
point, which is a

1036
00:28:37,485 --> 00:28:38,584
good one. I think

1037
00:28:38,586 --> 00:28:39,752
there first of all,

1038
00:28:39,754 --> 00:28:40,753
I'd love to hear

1039
00:28:40,755 --> 00:28:41,787
Jessica or have

1040
00:28:41,789 --> 00:28:42,855
Jessica remind me of

1041
00:28:42,857 --> 00:28:44,690
the second option of

1042
00:28:44,692 --> 00:28:45,391
redefining security

1043
00:28:45,393 --> 00:28:46,259
deposit, because that

1044
00:28:46,261 --> 00:28:49,729
might solve it. Or.

1045
00:28:49,731 --> 00:28:51,163
Yeah, adding language

1046
00:28:51,165 --> 00:28:52,365
as either, as Jessica

1047
00:28:52,367 --> 00:28:53,299
just suggested, or

1048
00:28:53,301 --> 00:28:56,569
even in a final Roman

1049
00:28:56,571 --> 00:28:58,004
numeral or another

1050
00:28:58,006 --> 00:28:59,472
sentence that says

1051
00:28:59,474 --> 00:29:00,640
the balance after

1052
00:29:00,642 --> 00:29:02,308
such payment shall be

1053
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:03,709
returned to the

1054
00:29:03,711 --> 00:29:04,777
tenant in accordance

1055
00:29:04,779 --> 00:29:06,646
with the following

1056
00:29:06,648 --> 00:29:08,080
paragraph.

1057
00:29:08,082 --> 00:29:09,882
>> Mr.

1058
00:29:09,884 --> 00:29:12,051
>> Emily yeah.

1059
00:29:12,053 --> 00:29:12,785
Building off of

1060
00:29:12,787 --> 00:29:13,853
Kristi's point, our

1061
00:29:13,855 --> 00:29:14,587
intention here was

1062
00:29:14,589 --> 00:29:15,821
just to ensure that

1063
00:29:15,823 --> 00:29:17,089
the security deposit

1064
00:29:17,091 --> 00:29:17,857
is only going to be

1065
00:29:17,859 --> 00:29:19,191
used for these things.

1066
00:29:19,193 --> 00:29:20,092
And to Erin's point,

1067
00:29:20,094 --> 00:29:20,993
there is language

1068
00:29:20,995 --> 00:29:22,128
already in this code

1069
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:23,563
section explicitly

1070
00:29:23,565 --> 00:29:24,263
stating that the

1071
00:29:24,265 --> 00:29:24,964
security deposit

1072
00:29:24,966 --> 00:29:26,899
shall be returned to

1073
00:29:26,901 --> 00:29:28,234
the tenant. Any

1074
00:29:28,236 --> 00:29:29,101
unused portion that

1075
00:29:29,103 --> 00:29:30,770
is currently on line

1076
00:29:30,772 --> 00:29:32,204
778 per Patrick's

1077
00:29:32,206 --> 00:29:32,572
message.

1078
00:29:32,574 --> 00:29:33,639
>> Totally agree.

1079
00:29:33,641 --> 00:29:34,707
>> That just

1080
00:29:34,709 --> 00:29:35,441
contradicts the shell

1081
00:29:35,443 --> 00:29:35,942
though. That's where

1082
00:29:35,944 --> 00:29:36,909
I'm getting stuck.

1083
00:29:36,911 --> 00:29:37,710
Again, not a

1084
00:29:37,712 --> 00:29:38,344
stakeholder issue.

1085
00:29:38,346 --> 00:29:40,446
It's a drafting issue.

1086
00:29:40,448 --> 00:29:45,151
>> All right. Okay. I,

1087
00:29:45,153 --> 00:29:46,252
I get where you guys

1088
00:29:46,254 --> 00:29:47,286
are saying I get the

1089
00:29:47,288 --> 00:29:48,354
folks that are saying

1090
00:29:48,356 --> 00:29:49,322
shell sounds stronger

1091
00:29:49,324 --> 00:29:51,357
and seems better. And

1092
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:52,725
I, I appreciate that

1093
00:29:52,727 --> 00:29:54,260
concern. I, I, you

1094
00:29:54,262 --> 00:29:55,261
know, the lawyer in

1095
00:29:55,263 --> 00:29:56,662
me just feels like

1096
00:29:56,664 --> 00:29:57,763
may only and shall

1097
00:29:57,765 --> 00:29:58,531
mean the same thing,

1098
00:29:58,533 --> 00:29:59,532
but I don't want to

1099
00:29:59,534 --> 00:30:00,600
get hung up over it.

1100
00:30:00,602 --> 00:30:02,401
You know, if you guys

1101
00:30:02,403 --> 00:30:03,369
want to add another

1102
00:30:03,371 --> 00:30:03,769
sentence, like I

1103
00:30:03,771 --> 00:30:04,637
again for the third

1104
00:30:04,639 --> 00:30:05,605
time saying any

1105
00:30:05,607 --> 00:30:06,505
excess goes back to

1106
00:30:06,507 --> 00:30:08,608
the tenant, I guess

1107
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:10,042
we could do that too.

1108
00:30:10,044 --> 00:30:11,110
>> I could do that.

1109
00:30:11,112 --> 00:30:11,444
Yeah.

1110
00:30:11,446 --> 00:30:12,211
>> I'd like to do

1111
00:30:12,213 --> 00:30:13,212
again, as long as

1112
00:30:13,214 --> 00:30:14,280
we're getting really

1113
00:30:14,282 --> 00:30:15,214
picky about the words,

1114
00:30:15,216 --> 00:30:16,148
I think part of

1115
00:30:16,150 --> 00:30:17,116
what's hanging us up

1116
00:30:17,118 --> 00:30:18,317
is just the awkward

1117
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,151
phrasing of putting

1118
00:30:19,153 --> 00:30:20,086
solely way here.

1119
00:30:20,088 --> 00:30:21,220
After things we got

1120
00:30:21,222 --> 00:30:22,254
struck the word

1121
00:30:22,256 --> 00:30:24,123
solely and and put

1122
00:30:24,125 --> 00:30:25,091
after the word shall

1123
00:30:25,093 --> 00:30:26,392
only so strike solely

1124
00:30:26,394 --> 00:30:27,660
and only after shall

1125
00:30:27,662 --> 00:30:28,361
right. So it becomes

1126
00:30:28,363 --> 00:30:29,228
shall only be applied

1127
00:30:29,230 --> 00:30:30,930
by the landlord. Two

1128
00:30:30,932 --> 00:30:31,731
as opposed to be

1129
00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:32,531
applied by the solely

1130
00:30:32,533 --> 00:30:33,532
to does that. You

1131
00:30:33,534 --> 00:30:34,500
know what I mean?

1132
00:30:34,502 --> 00:30:35,568
>> Yeah, that makes

1133
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:36,435
sense. And we're

1134
00:30:36,437 --> 00:30:37,470
happy if we need to

1135
00:30:37,472 --> 00:30:38,537
add another romanet

1136
00:30:38,539 --> 00:30:39,405
in addition to that,

1137
00:30:39,407 --> 00:30:40,373
that's totally fine.

1138
00:30:40,375 --> 00:30:41,407
>> And then did you

1139
00:30:41,409 --> 00:30:42,475
have you had another

1140
00:30:42,477 --> 00:30:43,676
Romanet, Jessica, to

1141
00:30:43,678 --> 00:30:44,710
add for, for the what

1142
00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:45,611
the, where the

1143
00:30:45,613 --> 00:30:47,747
balance could go?

1144
00:30:47,749 --> 00:30:48,748
>> Yeah. It together

1145
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:49,749
with any amount still

1146
00:30:49,751 --> 00:30:50,750
due to the tenant

1147
00:30:50,752 --> 00:30:51,450
after such

1148
00:30:51,452 --> 00:30:52,418
itemization.

1149
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:53,452
>> What would that.

1150
00:30:53,454 --> 00:30:54,654
>> Go.

1151
00:30:54,656 --> 00:30:55,755
>> After deductions,

1152
00:30:55,757 --> 00:30:59,325
damages and charges.

1153
00:30:59,327 --> 00:31:01,127
>> So be a new

1154
00:31:01,129 --> 00:31:05,798
Romanet for yeah.

1155
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,532
We're comfortable

1156
00:31:06,534 --> 00:31:07,233
with that. Yeah. If

1157
00:31:07,235 --> 00:31:08,367
we're do shell only

1158
00:31:08,369 --> 00:31:09,368
and then add that

1159
00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:10,036
romanet that should

1160
00:31:10,038 --> 00:31:12,638
be fine for us.

1161
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,508
>> All right.

1162
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:16,609
>> The five we'll

1163
00:31:16,611 --> 00:31:17,743
we'll see it again at

1164
00:31:17,745 --> 00:31:18,811
the full. But I think

1165
00:31:18,813 --> 00:31:19,979
if we can get that

1166
00:31:19,981 --> 00:31:20,880
that takes care of

1167
00:31:20,882 --> 00:31:21,981
that particular issue

1168
00:31:21,983 --> 00:31:23,816
I think for now. All

1169
00:31:23,818 --> 00:31:24,817
right. So what else

1170
00:31:24,819 --> 00:31:25,885
do we have that's in

1171
00:31:25,887 --> 00:31:26,819
this section before

1172
00:31:26,821 --> 00:31:28,854
we come back to

1173
00:31:28,856 --> 00:31:29,321
figuring out how

1174
00:31:29,323 --> 00:31:30,089
we're going to deal

1175
00:31:30,091 --> 00:31:31,724
with a potential

1176
00:31:31,726 --> 00:31:37,196
minority reports. 768

1177
00:31:37,198 --> 00:31:38,931
we talked about that.

1178
00:31:38,933 --> 00:31:39,999
774 to 92 that's the

1179
00:31:40,001 --> 00:31:40,733
whole thing.

1180
00:31:40,735 --> 00:31:41,834
>> I think we're.

1181
00:31:41,836 --> 00:31:42,935
>> Good on this

1182
00:31:42,937 --> 00:31:43,669
section.

1183
00:31:43,671 --> 00:31:45,771
>> Okay. So now the

1184
00:31:45,773 --> 00:31:46,839
15 days are business

1185
00:31:46,841 --> 00:31:48,040
days. Are you guys

1186
00:31:48,042 --> 00:31:49,608
going to hold up your

1187
00:31:49,610 --> 00:31:50,609
your support over the

1188
00:31:50,611 --> 00:31:52,978
word business days?

1189
00:31:52,980 --> 00:31:54,046
Make you be the bad

1190
00:31:54,048 --> 00:31:54,780
guys?

1191
00:31:54,782 --> 00:31:55,915
>> Or are you

1192
00:31:55,917 --> 00:31:56,916
indicating that's our

1193
00:31:56,918 --> 00:31:58,084
sole issue?

1194
00:31:58,086 --> 00:31:59,151
>> Well, if that one

1195
00:31:59,153 --> 00:31:59,785
left and then we've

1196
00:31:59,787 --> 00:32:01,387
got I mean, I know

1197
00:32:01,389 --> 00:32:02,488
you guys may want to

1198
00:32:02,490 --> 00:32:03,522
be a minority on the

1199
00:32:03,524 --> 00:32:04,457
whole thing. I'm

1200
00:32:04,459 --> 00:32:05,524
trying to, you know,

1201
00:32:05,526 --> 00:32:06,559
give you guys as much

1202
00:32:06,561 --> 00:32:07,660
as we can here. So

1203
00:32:07,662 --> 00:32:08,694
the two outstanding

1204
00:32:08,696 --> 00:32:09,595
issues are 15 whether

1205
00:32:09,597 --> 00:32:10,463
it's business or

1206
00:32:10,465 --> 00:32:11,497
calendar. I, I think

1207
00:32:11,499 --> 00:32:12,431
most everybody else's

1208
00:32:12,433 --> 00:32:13,099
comfortable with

1209
00:32:13,101 --> 00:32:13,933
calendar. And then

1210
00:32:13,935 --> 00:32:15,634
the other one is this

1211
00:32:15,636 --> 00:32:16,635
last issue that we're

1212
00:32:16,637 --> 00:32:17,770
talking about, which

1213
00:32:17,772 --> 00:32:21,407
was the word receipt

1214
00:32:21,409 --> 00:32:23,943
or not being receipt

1215
00:32:23,945 --> 00:32:25,745
versus receipt or

1216
00:32:25,747 --> 00:32:26,579
estimate, right.

1217
00:32:26,581 --> 00:32:27,146
Those are the two

1218
00:32:27,148 --> 00:32:28,714
issues that we have

1219
00:32:28,716 --> 00:32:31,484
left to deal with.

1220
00:32:31,486 --> 00:32:34,019
>> In this section.

1221
00:32:34,021 --> 00:32:34,220
Yes.

1222
00:32:34,222 --> 00:32:37,256
>> This section.

1223
00:32:37,258 --> 00:32:38,357
>> Okay.

1224
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:39,391
>> I've got.

1225
00:32:39,393 --> 00:32:40,493
>> Mr. Chair. I've

1226
00:32:40,495 --> 00:32:41,460
got a question. Maybe

1227
00:32:41,462 --> 00:32:42,294
the moments coming

1228
00:32:42,296 --> 00:32:42,962
past or maybe I

1229
00:32:42,964 --> 00:32:45,164
missed it. So going

1230
00:32:45,166 --> 00:32:46,298
back to the proposed

1231
00:32:46,300 --> 00:32:48,100
language, I guess

1232
00:32:48,102 --> 00:32:49,135
it's on the one of

1233
00:32:49,137 --> 00:32:50,536
the attachments. 922

1234
00:32:50,538 --> 00:32:51,337
language

1235
00:32:51,339 --> 00:32:51,804
considerations. The

1236
00:32:51,806 --> 00:32:53,038
first section blue.

1237
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,641
So is the landlord

1238
00:32:55,643 --> 00:32:58,077
expected to come?

1239
00:32:58,079 --> 00:32:59,578
Solidate take all the

1240
00:32:59,580 --> 00:33:00,679
different invoices

1241
00:33:00,681 --> 00:33:01,514
and receipts. We'll

1242
00:33:01,516 --> 00:33:02,047
just set aside,

1243
00:33:02,049 --> 00:33:02,848
whether it's invoice

1244
00:33:02,850 --> 00:33:03,716
or receipt or

1245
00:33:03,718 --> 00:33:04,984
whatever, and prepare

1246
00:33:04,986 --> 00:33:06,252
their own itemization

1247
00:33:06,254 --> 00:33:07,820
that then is given to

1248
00:33:07,822 --> 00:33:08,888
landlord or is it

1249
00:33:08,890 --> 00:33:10,022
consolidated? So I

1250
00:33:10,024 --> 00:33:10,856
read this now is that

1251
00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,491
the landlord gets all

1252
00:33:12,493 --> 00:33:14,627
this stuff done and

1253
00:33:14,629 --> 00:33:15,995
has to provide the

1254
00:33:15,997 --> 00:33:18,597
itemized receipt that

1255
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:19,265
shows the cost,

1256
00:33:19,267 --> 00:33:19,965
accompanied by

1257
00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:20,733
receipts for any

1258
00:33:20,735 --> 00:33:21,433
professional services

1259
00:33:21,435 --> 00:33:22,134
performed by third

1260
00:33:22,136 --> 00:33:23,569
party contractor, the

1261
00:33:23,571 --> 00:33:25,037
cost of the materials

1262
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:25,704
used and the number

1263
00:33:25,706 --> 00:33:26,772
of labor hours and

1264
00:33:26,774 --> 00:33:28,240
hourly rates charge.

1265
00:33:28,242 --> 00:33:29,341
So is that a document

1266
00:33:29,343 --> 00:33:30,042
produced by the

1267
00:33:30,044 --> 00:33:30,876
landlord, or are

1268
00:33:30,878 --> 00:33:31,577
those documents that

1269
00:33:31,579 --> 00:33:33,345
you can. Basically, I

1270
00:33:33,347 --> 00:33:34,713
go to a cleaning

1271
00:33:34,715 --> 00:33:35,447
person. They say, hey,

1272
00:33:35,449 --> 00:33:36,649
I worked for five

1273
00:33:36,651 --> 00:33:37,449
hours. I cleaned it

1274
00:33:37,451 --> 00:33:39,752
and they flip it over.

1275
00:33:39,754 --> 00:33:40,753
I could read that

1276
00:33:40,755 --> 00:33:42,087
both ways. The second

1277
00:33:42,089 --> 00:33:43,122
thing, I was going to

1278
00:33:43,124 --> 00:33:44,156
flag a third party

1279
00:33:44,158 --> 00:33:45,224
contractor. Not all

1280
00:33:45,226 --> 00:33:46,158
these people are

1281
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,992
going to be

1282
00:33:46,994 --> 00:33:48,427
contractors. I mean,

1283
00:33:48,429 --> 00:33:49,328
you know, cleaning

1284
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:50,196
person is not

1285
00:33:50,198 --> 00:33:51,330
necessarily a

1286
00:33:51,332 --> 00:33:52,097
contractor. Some

1287
00:33:52,099 --> 00:33:53,799
other repairs aren't

1288
00:33:53,801 --> 00:33:54,533
going to be

1289
00:33:54,535 --> 00:33:55,067
considered contractor.

1290
00:33:55,069 --> 00:33:56,101
I hate to nitpick,

1291
00:33:56,103 --> 00:33:57,736
but like, I don't

1292
00:33:57,738 --> 00:34:00,339
know, I see Christy,

1293
00:34:00,341 --> 00:34:01,707
I see Christy as a

1294
00:34:01,709 --> 00:34:03,509
response.

1295
00:34:03,511 --> 00:34:04,610
>> On that issue. I

1296
00:34:04,612 --> 00:34:06,045
think contractor here

1297
00:34:06,047 --> 00:34:07,179
is not being used in

1298
00:34:07,181 --> 00:34:09,682
that very specific

1299
00:34:09,684 --> 00:34:10,382
sense that you're

1300
00:34:10,384 --> 00:34:11,784
thinking of. Andrew.

1301
00:34:11,786 --> 00:34:13,252
I think it's just

1302
00:34:13,254 --> 00:34:13,986
anyone who enters

1303
00:34:13,988 --> 00:34:15,855
into a contract with

1304
00:34:15,857 --> 00:34:16,755
the landlord to

1305
00:34:16,757 --> 00:34:17,590
perform a service.

1306
00:34:17,592 --> 00:34:19,024
>> So not a.

1307
00:34:19,026 --> 00:34:20,025
>> Word, not employee,

1308
00:34:20,027 --> 00:34:21,026
I think is what

1309
00:34:21,028 --> 00:34:21,527
you're targeting that

1310
00:34:21,529 --> 00:34:22,328
kind of contractor as

1311
00:34:22,330 --> 00:34:23,095
opposed to.

1312
00:34:23,097 --> 00:34:23,362
>> Okay.

1313
00:34:23,364 --> 00:34:24,730
>> Gotcha. Yes.

1314
00:34:24,732 --> 00:34:26,198
>> So I guess my, my

1315
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,633
question there is, is

1316
00:34:27,635 --> 00:34:28,734
one, is it is it a

1317
00:34:28,736 --> 00:34:29,835
document generated or

1318
00:34:29,837 --> 00:34:30,870
produced by the

1319
00:34:30,872 --> 00:34:32,705
landlord based on the

1320
00:34:32,707 --> 00:34:34,073
receipts and invoices,

1321
00:34:34,075 --> 00:34:34,840
etc. that were

1322
00:34:34,842 --> 00:34:35,541
produced by the

1323
00:34:35,543 --> 00:34:36,308
people that were

1324
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:39,211
hired? And then, you

1325
00:34:39,213 --> 00:34:41,347
know, some of the

1326
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:42,448
services that

1327
00:34:42,450 --> 00:34:42,948
somebody, a landlord

1328
00:34:42,950 --> 00:34:45,251
could have brought in.

1329
00:34:45,253 --> 00:34:46,252
I'm trying to think

1330
00:34:46,254 --> 00:34:47,253
of a good example.

1331
00:34:47,255 --> 00:34:49,588
Like there seems like

1332
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:50,689
that sentence could

1333
00:34:50,691 --> 00:34:52,124
benefit from a as

1334
00:34:52,126 --> 00:34:52,558
applicable, right?

1335
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:53,292
Because a cleaning

1336
00:34:53,294 --> 00:34:54,226
person is not going

1337
00:34:54,228 --> 00:34:55,194
to charge you for

1338
00:34:55,196 --> 00:34:56,128
necessarily the cost

1339
00:34:56,130 --> 00:34:56,795
of materials or

1340
00:34:56,797 --> 00:34:58,664
number of that would

1341
00:34:58,666 --> 00:34:59,665
work cost of

1342
00:34:59,667 --> 00:35:01,133
materials. So there

1343
00:35:01,135 --> 00:35:02,601
needs to be some

1344
00:35:02,603 --> 00:35:03,269
flexibility to say

1345
00:35:03,271 --> 00:35:04,703
like right now it

1346
00:35:04,705 --> 00:35:06,171
reads, says landlord

1347
00:35:06,173 --> 00:35:07,006
produces all this,

1348
00:35:07,008 --> 00:35:08,173
and you got to give

1349
00:35:08,175 --> 00:35:09,174
all three of those

1350
00:35:09,176 --> 00:35:10,476
items, but some are

1351
00:35:10,478 --> 00:35:11,911
not always going to

1352
00:35:11,913 --> 00:35:13,012
apply depending on

1353
00:35:13,014 --> 00:35:15,180
the with the repairs

1354
00:35:15,182 --> 00:35:18,017
being done or the

1355
00:35:18,019 --> 00:35:19,118
work being done.

1356
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,451
>> Gotcha.

1357
00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:20,552
>> Emily.

1358
00:35:20,554 --> 00:35:22,388
>> Yeah. So to that

1359
00:35:22,390 --> 00:35:24,523
question, aren't so

1360
00:35:24,525 --> 00:35:26,358
landlords, this new

1361
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:26,859
section and you know,

1362
00:35:26,861 --> 00:35:27,793
the language that

1363
00:35:27,795 --> 00:35:28,894
Jessica pulls up the

1364
00:35:28,896 --> 00:35:30,129
such itemization

1365
00:35:30,131 --> 00:35:31,764
shall include. So

1366
00:35:31,766 --> 00:35:32,431
this is just

1367
00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:32,998
specifying what needs

1368
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,300
to be in that

1369
00:35:34,302 --> 00:35:34,967
Itemization our

1370
00:35:34,969 --> 00:35:36,068
intention is to state,

1371
00:35:36,070 --> 00:35:37,136
if you are

1372
00:35:37,138 --> 00:35:37,569
contracting with a

1373
00:35:37,571 --> 00:35:38,938
third party to

1374
00:35:38,940 --> 00:35:40,005
provide or to repair

1375
00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:41,206
these damages, then

1376
00:35:41,208 --> 00:35:42,141
you must provide a

1377
00:35:42,143 --> 00:35:43,208
receipt as the

1378
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:44,009
Itemization because

1379
00:35:44,011 --> 00:35:44,677
you should have

1380
00:35:44,679 --> 00:35:45,744
access to that. Like

1381
00:35:45,746 --> 00:35:46,845
if you're hiring, you

1382
00:35:46,847 --> 00:35:49,014
know, somebody to

1383
00:35:49,016 --> 00:35:49,515
replace the carpets,

1384
00:35:49,517 --> 00:35:50,249
you should have a

1385
00:35:50,251 --> 00:35:51,183
receipt reflecting

1386
00:35:51,185 --> 00:35:52,618
that if you, as the

1387
00:35:52,620 --> 00:35:53,118
landlord are doing

1388
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,420
that work yourself,

1389
00:35:54,422 --> 00:35:55,220
then that is when you

1390
00:35:55,222 --> 00:35:56,188
would provide like an

1391
00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:57,122
invoice saying the

1392
00:35:57,124 --> 00:35:58,057
cost of materials

1393
00:35:58,059 --> 00:35:59,058
used and the number

1394
00:35:59,060 --> 00:36:00,059
of hours and hourly

1395
00:36:00,061 --> 00:36:00,526
rate, because it's

1396
00:36:00,528 --> 00:36:01,593
not a clear cut

1397
00:36:01,595 --> 00:36:02,428
receipt. This is a

1398
00:36:02,430 --> 00:36:03,729
little confusing. Our

1399
00:36:03,731 --> 00:36:05,230
intention original,

1400
00:36:05,232 --> 00:36:06,832
the original language

1401
00:36:06,834 --> 00:36:07,733
that we proposed to

1402
00:36:07,735 --> 00:36:09,568
the group or not, it

1403
00:36:09,570 --> 00:36:10,936
was maybe the

1404
00:36:10,938 --> 00:36:11,670
language that we

1405
00:36:11,672 --> 00:36:12,404
proposed to the group

1406
00:36:12,406 --> 00:36:13,806
was slightly more

1407
00:36:13,808 --> 00:36:16,041
kind of explicit in

1408
00:36:16,043 --> 00:36:17,409
that if you contract

1409
00:36:17,411 --> 00:36:18,277
with a third party,

1410
00:36:18,279 --> 00:36:19,278
you provide a receipt.

1411
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,312
If you do it yourself,

1412
00:36:20,314 --> 00:36:21,380
you provide an

1413
00:36:21,382 --> 00:36:23,215
invoice with the

1414
00:36:23,217 --> 00:36:24,283
materials and hourly

1415
00:36:24,285 --> 00:36:26,418
rate. So that was

1416
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:27,486
kind of the

1417
00:36:27,488 --> 00:36:29,288
distinction is the

1418
00:36:29,290 --> 00:36:30,422
Itemization is based

1419
00:36:30,424 --> 00:36:31,490
on the type of

1420
00:36:31,492 --> 00:36:32,558
services and who is

1421
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:33,258
providing those

1422
00:36:33,260 --> 00:36:34,093
services. If we need

1423
00:36:34,095 --> 00:36:35,060
to make that more

1424
00:36:35,062 --> 00:36:36,228
clear, we can. But

1425
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:37,229
that was the

1426
00:36:37,231 --> 00:36:39,031
intention is to

1427
00:36:39,033 --> 00:36:40,132
receipts. If it's

1428
00:36:40,134 --> 00:36:40,599
somebody who would

1429
00:36:40,601 --> 00:36:41,867
give you a receipt

1430
00:36:41,869 --> 00:36:42,634
invoice, if it's

1431
00:36:42,636 --> 00:36:43,268
something that you're

1432
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:44,203
doing and there's not

1433
00:36:44,205 --> 00:36:45,204
the ability to get

1434
00:36:45,206 --> 00:36:46,205
like a clear cut

1435
00:36:46,207 --> 00:36:47,306
receipt, and we can

1436
00:36:47,308 --> 00:36:48,240
clarify that if that

1437
00:36:48,242 --> 00:36:49,141
would be helpful.

1438
00:36:49,143 --> 00:36:50,242
>> And I, I agree

1439
00:36:50,244 --> 00:36:51,243
with the, I agree

1440
00:36:51,245 --> 00:36:52,177
with the intent. I

1441
00:36:52,179 --> 00:36:53,245
was just saying from

1442
00:36:53,247 --> 00:36:54,246
like the, you know,

1443
00:36:54,248 --> 00:36:55,214
for the people out

1444
00:36:55,216 --> 00:36:56,248
there who all of a

1445
00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:57,282
sudden say, oh, we

1446
00:36:57,284 --> 00:36:59,151
got a new law I got

1447
00:36:59,153 --> 00:37:00,152
to comply with. And

1448
00:37:00,154 --> 00:37:01,153
they read it. This

1449
00:37:01,155 --> 00:37:01,487
could be it.

1450
00:37:01,489 --> 00:37:03,155
>> So yeah, I see

1451
00:37:03,157 --> 00:37:04,156
what you're saying by

1452
00:37:04,158 --> 00:37:04,556
saying like two,

1453
00:37:04,558 --> 00:37:05,424
three having it right

1454
00:37:05,426 --> 00:37:06,492
after receipt. Maybe

1455
00:37:06,494 --> 00:37:07,226
it's could be

1456
00:37:07,228 --> 00:37:08,160
interpreted as you

1457
00:37:08,162 --> 00:37:09,161
need to provide this

1458
00:37:09,163 --> 00:37:10,162
receipt. You need to

1459
00:37:10,164 --> 00:37:10,763
say how much

1460
00:37:10,765 --> 00:37:11,530
materials this third

1461
00:37:11,532 --> 00:37:12,865
party contractor used,

1462
00:37:12,867 --> 00:37:13,966
whatever that makes

1463
00:37:13,968 --> 00:37:15,768
sense. And I'm open

1464
00:37:15,770 --> 00:37:17,202
to making that more

1465
00:37:17,204 --> 00:37:18,003
explicit. If we need

1466
00:37:18,005 --> 00:37:18,670
to distinguish

1467
00:37:18,672 --> 00:37:19,671
between those two, if.

1468
00:37:19,673 --> 00:37:20,672
>> That would be.

1469
00:37:20,674 --> 00:37:21,707
>> Detained up for a

1470
00:37:21,709 --> 00:37:21,940
while.

1471
00:37:21,942 --> 00:37:22,941
>> Yeah.

1472
00:37:22,943 --> 00:37:24,009
>> It's going to say

1473
00:37:24,011 --> 00:37:25,244
I, I, I can see where

1474
00:37:25,246 --> 00:37:26,245
the confusion is. The

1475
00:37:26,247 --> 00:37:27,946
intent was this to be

1476
00:37:27,948 --> 00:37:28,680
like a services

1477
00:37:28,682 --> 00:37:29,782
invoice, where

1478
00:37:29,784 --> 00:37:30,516
typically in the

1479
00:37:30,518 --> 00:37:32,017
business world, if

1480
00:37:32,019 --> 00:37:33,052
you have out of

1481
00:37:33,054 --> 00:37:34,186
pocket expenses, you

1482
00:37:34,188 --> 00:37:35,287
have to put those on

1483
00:37:35,289 --> 00:37:36,221
the invoices, show

1484
00:37:36,223 --> 00:37:37,222
the receipt, and then

1485
00:37:37,224 --> 00:37:38,857
you would show your

1486
00:37:38,859 --> 00:37:39,925
internal hours and

1487
00:37:39,927 --> 00:37:41,293
then you would show

1488
00:37:41,295 --> 00:37:43,495
your internal

1489
00:37:43,497 --> 00:37:44,596
materials cost. So

1490
00:37:44,598 --> 00:37:46,765
it's basically three,

1491
00:37:46,767 --> 00:37:47,766
two and three are

1492
00:37:47,768 --> 00:37:49,635
kind of you do it

1493
00:37:49,637 --> 00:37:51,103
in-house. One is the

1494
00:37:51,105 --> 00:37:52,137
third party, but I

1495
00:37:52,139 --> 00:37:53,605
can, I can see where

1496
00:37:53,607 --> 00:37:54,239
that could

1497
00:37:54,241 --> 00:37:54,940
potentially be a

1498
00:37:54,942 --> 00:37:57,509
little confusing.

1499
00:37:57,511 --> 00:37:58,710
>> Okay.

1500
00:37:58,712 --> 00:37:59,812
>> So it sounds like,

1501
00:37:59,814 --> 00:38:00,813
Aaron, do you have

1502
00:38:00,815 --> 00:38:01,713
something else you

1503
00:38:01,715 --> 00:38:02,815
want to say on that?

1504
00:38:02,817 --> 00:38:03,882
>> Yeah, I was just

1505
00:38:03,884 --> 00:38:04,950
going to say I hadn't

1506
00:38:04,952 --> 00:38:05,851
actually thought

1507
00:38:05,853 --> 00:38:06,752
about that, but I

1508
00:38:06,754 --> 00:38:07,820
think Andrew is 100%

1509
00:38:07,822 --> 00:38:08,821
right the way that

1510
00:38:08,823 --> 00:38:09,721
that's written this,

1511
00:38:09,723 --> 00:38:10,789
and this is kind of

1512
00:38:10,791 --> 00:38:11,824
what you get into

1513
00:38:11,826 --> 00:38:12,791
when you try and

1514
00:38:12,793 --> 00:38:14,460
specify stuff more.

1515
00:38:14,462 --> 00:38:15,527
You get into a

1516
00:38:15,529 --> 00:38:16,728
position where things

1517
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:18,030
are excluded, things

1518
00:38:18,032 --> 00:38:20,199
are included. This

1519
00:38:20,201 --> 00:38:20,933
absolutely says you

1520
00:38:20,935 --> 00:38:22,367
have to have a

1521
00:38:22,369 --> 00:38:23,368
receipt with the cost

1522
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:24,369
of materials used and

1523
00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:25,437
the number of hours.

1524
00:38:25,439 --> 00:38:26,672
And in the case of,

1525
00:38:26,674 --> 00:38:28,140
say, a cleaning

1526
00:38:28,142 --> 00:38:29,241
company, which I know,

1527
00:38:29,243 --> 00:38:29,908
you know, this would

1528
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:31,009
be over and above

1529
00:38:31,011 --> 00:38:32,111
wear and tear.

1530
00:38:32,113 --> 00:38:32,845
They're not going to

1531
00:38:32,847 --> 00:38:35,314
have materials used.

1532
00:38:35,316 --> 00:38:36,815
So a landlord is

1533
00:38:36,817 --> 00:38:39,284
going to read that as

1534
00:38:39,286 --> 00:38:41,086
now I can't submit.

1535
00:38:41,088 --> 00:38:42,521
Whereas the previous

1536
00:38:42,523 --> 00:38:44,656
language did say

1537
00:38:44,658 --> 00:38:46,191
itemization, I

1538
00:38:46,193 --> 00:38:46,658
understand, I guess

1539
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:47,459
you guys are having

1540
00:38:47,461 --> 00:38:48,427
some problems with

1541
00:38:48,429 --> 00:38:49,428
some of the landlords

1542
00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:50,262
itemizing, but by

1543
00:38:50,264 --> 00:38:51,897
going this specific,

1544
00:38:51,899 --> 00:38:52,931
I think we're going

1545
00:38:52,933 --> 00:38:54,133
to run into some

1546
00:38:54,135 --> 00:38:55,067
unintentional

1547
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:55,868
consequences.

1548
00:38:55,870 --> 00:38:56,935
>> Okay, Christy.

1549
00:38:56,937 --> 00:38:58,370
>> If I may, I think

1550
00:38:58,372 --> 00:38:59,471
there's a really

1551
00:38:59,473 --> 00:39:00,906
simple fix. I agree

1552
00:39:00,908 --> 00:39:01,540
with what's being

1553
00:39:01,542 --> 00:39:02,441
said. I think it

1554
00:39:02,443 --> 00:39:03,408
needs to be

1555
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:04,276
distinguished. But if

1556
00:39:04,278 --> 00:39:05,911
we just said

1557
00:39:05,913 --> 00:39:07,746
something to the

1558
00:39:07,748 --> 00:39:10,682
effect of that, the,

1559
00:39:10,684 --> 00:39:12,384
you know, they

1560
00:39:12,386 --> 00:39:14,920
provide a in the

1561
00:39:14,922 --> 00:39:16,722
event of services

1562
00:39:16,724 --> 00:39:17,723
done pursuant to a

1563
00:39:17,725 --> 00:39:19,625
third party contract,

1564
00:39:19,627 --> 00:39:21,426
the landlord must

1565
00:39:21,428 --> 00:39:23,228
provide the receipt

1566
00:39:23,230 --> 00:39:23,896
and not saying it

1567
00:39:23,898 --> 00:39:26,765
well or if not, if a

1568
00:39:26,767 --> 00:39:27,566
third party contract

1569
00:39:27,568 --> 00:39:29,301
is not used, they

1570
00:39:29,303 --> 00:39:31,170
must provide two and

1571
00:39:31,172 --> 00:39:32,237
three. But but I

1572
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:33,238
think that's what I

1573
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:33,839
hear you saying.

1574
00:39:33,841 --> 00:39:34,806
That's what I hear

1575
00:39:34,808 --> 00:39:35,374
Andrew saying.

1576
00:39:35,376 --> 00:39:37,242
>> Well, 2 or 3 is as

1577
00:39:37,244 --> 00:39:37,709
applicable, right? I

1578
00:39:37,711 --> 00:39:38,410
mean, I think.

1579
00:39:38,412 --> 00:39:39,444
>> It's applicable,

1580
00:39:39,446 --> 00:39:39,645
yes.

1581
00:39:39,647 --> 00:39:40,445
>> But then the is

1582
00:39:40,447 --> 00:39:41,513
the as applicable,

1583
00:39:41,515 --> 00:39:42,414
the big exception

1584
00:39:42,416 --> 00:39:43,382
that you can drive a

1585
00:39:43,384 --> 00:39:44,416
hole through because.

1586
00:39:44,418 --> 00:39:45,284
Yeah. But yeah, I

1587
00:39:45,286 --> 00:39:46,351
mean, we don't want

1588
00:39:46,353 --> 00:39:47,252
cleaners saying, you

1589
00:39:47,254 --> 00:39:48,353
know, I use, you know,

1590
00:39:48,355 --> 00:39:49,354
four ounces of dish

1591
00:39:49,356 --> 00:39:50,389
soap and three ounces

1592
00:39:50,391 --> 00:39:51,356
of mop floor fluid

1593
00:39:51,358 --> 00:39:52,357
and whatnot. We want

1594
00:39:52,359 --> 00:39:53,358
them to just they

1595
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,259
generally charge an

1596
00:39:54,261 --> 00:39:54,860
hourly rate, right?

1597
00:39:54,862 --> 00:39:56,628
Aaron.

1598
00:39:56,630 --> 00:39:57,763
>> Yeah. No, I think

1599
00:39:57,765 --> 00:39:59,198
we're we're confusing

1600
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,432
the issue between

1601
00:40:00,434 --> 00:40:01,333
third party

1602
00:40:01,335 --> 00:40:03,168
contractor and not

1603
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:05,370
and a receipt listing

1604
00:40:05,372 --> 00:40:05,804
materials and not

1605
00:40:05,806 --> 00:40:06,738
like I could have an

1606
00:40:06,740 --> 00:40:08,040
on site person that's

1607
00:40:08,042 --> 00:40:09,675
not a third party

1608
00:40:09,677 --> 00:40:11,043
contractor. And this

1609
00:40:11,045 --> 00:40:12,878
would still say, I

1610
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,680
need to list the cost

1611
00:40:14,682 --> 00:40:18,283
of materials used. So

1612
00:40:18,285 --> 00:40:19,251
I don't think it's

1613
00:40:19,253 --> 00:40:20,085
the distinction

1614
00:40:20,087 --> 00:40:21,220
between third party

1615
00:40:21,222 --> 00:40:22,287
and non third party,

1616
00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:23,555
at least for me. It's

1617
00:40:23,557 --> 00:40:24,623
not I don't know if

1618
00:40:24,625 --> 00:40:25,691
it is for Andrew.

1619
00:40:25,693 --> 00:40:26,959
It's the not every

1620
00:40:26,961 --> 00:40:27,559
contractor is going

1621
00:40:27,561 --> 00:40:29,094
to be listing cost of

1622
00:40:29,096 --> 00:40:31,597
materials used.

1623
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:32,998
>> Well some some

1624
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:34,466
contractors it's not

1625
00:40:34,468 --> 00:40:35,867
going to be the cost

1626
00:40:35,869 --> 00:40:37,002
of materials

1627
00:40:37,004 --> 00:40:37,436
necessarily. I

1628
00:40:37,438 --> 00:40:38,403
dropped some language

1629
00:40:38,405 --> 00:40:39,504
in the chat. I don't

1630
00:40:39,506 --> 00:40:40,505
know, take this off.

1631
00:40:40,507 --> 00:40:41,540
I don't want to send

1632
00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:42,574
that in the wrong

1633
00:40:42,576 --> 00:40:43,475
direction. I agree

1634
00:40:43,477 --> 00:40:44,476
again, I'm going to

1635
00:40:44,478 --> 00:40:45,410
reiterate agree with

1636
00:40:45,412 --> 00:40:46,378
the intent. I'm just

1637
00:40:46,380 --> 00:40:47,412
trying to get some

1638
00:40:47,414 --> 00:40:48,914
cleaner language here.

1639
00:40:48,916 --> 00:40:50,349
So don't read into

1640
00:40:50,351 --> 00:40:52,084
anything that's maybe

1641
00:40:52,086 --> 00:40:53,919
off, but trying to

1642
00:40:53,921 --> 00:40:55,854
just make it, trying

1643
00:40:55,856 --> 00:40:56,788
to not give the

1644
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:57,723
wiggle room, just

1645
00:40:57,725 --> 00:40:58,724
saying, you know, as

1646
00:40:58,726 --> 00:41:04,630
applicable, copies

1647
00:41:04,632 --> 00:41:05,530
invoices or receipts

1648
00:41:05,532 --> 00:41:06,431
for a third party

1649
00:41:06,433 --> 00:41:07,332
service. So somebody

1650
00:41:07,334 --> 00:41:08,300
that comes in, in a

1651
00:41:08,302 --> 00:41:09,601
number of labor hours,

1652
00:41:09,603 --> 00:41:10,736
their hourly rate for

1653
00:41:10,738 --> 00:41:12,904
work performed by

1654
00:41:12,906 --> 00:41:14,006
landlord or the

1655
00:41:14,008 --> 00:41:14,673
employee, the

1656
00:41:14,675 --> 00:41:15,407
landlord that

1657
00:41:15,409 --> 00:41:16,408
probably needs to get

1658
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:17,409
switched to be a

1659
00:41:17,411 --> 00:41:19,411
third party, but I

1660
00:41:19,413 --> 00:41:20,112
don't know, just

1661
00:41:20,114 --> 00:41:20,812
something where the,

1662
00:41:20,814 --> 00:41:22,247
the average person

1663
00:41:22,249 --> 00:41:22,981
who's managing a

1664
00:41:22,983 --> 00:41:23,915
couple properties

1665
00:41:23,917 --> 00:41:24,750
knows, here's what I

1666
00:41:24,752 --> 00:41:25,851
gotta do. I gotta get

1667
00:41:25,853 --> 00:41:26,952
some.

1668
00:41:26,954 --> 00:41:28,453
>> If I may. I like

1669
00:41:28,455 --> 00:41:29,821
that language, Andrew.

1670
00:41:29,823 --> 00:41:31,256
What I'm concerned

1671
00:41:31,258 --> 00:41:32,457
about, and I know

1672
00:41:32,459 --> 00:41:34,092
this is key to it is

1673
00:41:34,094 --> 00:41:35,927
as applicable only

1674
00:41:35,929 --> 00:41:36,628
because I'm concerned

1675
00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:37,729
that the less

1676
00:41:37,731 --> 00:41:38,130
professional

1677
00:41:38,132 --> 00:41:39,531
landlords will say,

1678
00:41:39,533 --> 00:41:41,333
nah, none of it's

1679
00:41:41,335 --> 00:41:42,067
applicable. I don't

1680
00:41:42,069 --> 00:41:43,502
need to, you know, do

1681
00:41:43,504 --> 00:41:44,569
anything. And I

1682
00:41:44,571 --> 00:41:45,570
wonder if just adding

1683
00:41:45,572 --> 00:41:47,539
a sentence that, you

1684
00:41:47,541 --> 00:41:48,507
know, I don't know

1685
00:41:48,509 --> 00:41:49,241
how it would read,

1686
00:41:49,243 --> 00:41:51,777
but basically you

1687
00:41:51,779 --> 00:41:53,211
cannot keep the

1688
00:41:53,213 --> 00:41:54,279
security deposit or

1689
00:41:54,281 --> 00:41:56,481
charge extra without

1690
00:41:56,483 --> 00:41:57,549
sufficient

1691
00:41:57,551 --> 00:41:58,250
documentation. And

1692
00:41:58,252 --> 00:42:00,052
then it's still

1693
00:42:00,054 --> 00:42:01,119
flexible enough

1694
00:42:01,121 --> 00:42:03,288
because sufficient is

1695
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:04,022
subjective, but it's

1696
00:42:04,024 --> 00:42:05,424
clear that some

1697
00:42:05,426 --> 00:42:06,224
documentation has to

1698
00:42:06,226 --> 00:42:07,592
be provided. And I

1699
00:42:07,594 --> 00:42:08,393
think that's a big

1700
00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:10,896
piece of what we want.

1701
00:42:10,898 --> 00:42:14,099
>> Patrick.

1702
00:42:14,101 --> 00:42:15,200
>> I was just going

1703
00:42:15,202 --> 00:42:16,101
to say operationally,

1704
00:42:16,103 --> 00:42:18,036
the way things

1705
00:42:18,038 --> 00:42:18,737
transact in the

1706
00:42:18,739 --> 00:42:19,471
rental housing

1707
00:42:19,473 --> 00:42:20,472
industry, at least a

1708
00:42:20,474 --> 00:42:22,007
lot of our members, I

1709
00:42:22,009 --> 00:42:23,475
may hire a third

1710
00:42:23,477 --> 00:42:24,543
party company to do

1711
00:42:24,545 --> 00:42:25,610
the carpet cleaning,

1712
00:42:25,612 --> 00:42:27,079
so I will have an

1713
00:42:27,081 --> 00:42:28,146
invoice for the

1714
00:42:28,148 --> 00:42:29,614
carpet cleaning.

1715
00:42:29,616 --> 00:42:30,682
However, my internal

1716
00:42:30,684 --> 00:42:31,116
maintenance staff

1717
00:42:31,118 --> 00:42:32,451
will go in and maybe

1718
00:42:32,453 --> 00:42:33,552
a light switch needs

1719
00:42:33,554 --> 00:42:34,953
to be replaced. So

1720
00:42:34,955 --> 00:42:36,021
there'll be a cost on

1721
00:42:36,023 --> 00:42:37,022
the light switch. And

1722
00:42:37,024 --> 00:42:37,456
there's certainly

1723
00:42:37,458 --> 00:42:38,957
time that I used. So

1724
00:42:38,959 --> 00:42:40,058
that's the

1725
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:41,460
operational logistics

1726
00:42:41,462 --> 00:42:42,594
that's happening on

1727
00:42:42,596 --> 00:42:44,463
site. How I think

1728
00:42:44,465 --> 00:42:45,230
what we're trying to

1729
00:42:45,232 --> 00:42:46,965
do and what I hear

1730
00:42:46,967 --> 00:42:47,966
Christy trying to do,

1731
00:42:47,968 --> 00:42:49,067
I think, is to say,

1732
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:50,102
okay, if we want to

1733
00:42:50,104 --> 00:42:51,169
see the copy of the

1734
00:42:51,171 --> 00:42:52,137
invoice for that

1735
00:42:52,139 --> 00:42:52,971
third party

1736
00:42:52,973 --> 00:42:54,072
contractor that you

1737
00:42:54,074 --> 00:42:55,474
had, and then also

1738
00:42:55,476 --> 00:42:56,541
what your internal

1739
00:42:56,543 --> 00:42:57,676
costs were, and the

1740
00:42:57,678 --> 00:42:58,844
tenant should be able

1741
00:42:58,846 --> 00:43:00,479
to see all of that.

1742
00:43:00,481 --> 00:43:01,546
Did I, did I state

1743
00:43:01,548 --> 00:43:02,347
that? Correct.

1744
00:43:02,349 --> 00:43:03,081
Christy.

1745
00:43:03,083 --> 00:43:04,082
>> Thank you. Patrick.

1746
00:43:04,084 --> 00:43:05,150
I think it's one or

1747
00:43:05,152 --> 00:43:06,251
the other. I think if

1748
00:43:06,253 --> 00:43:07,319
you are charging, if

1749
00:43:07,321 --> 00:43:08,820
you have if you're

1750
00:43:08,822 --> 00:43:09,287
charging the tenant

1751
00:43:09,289 --> 00:43:10,622
for something that a

1752
00:43:10,624 --> 00:43:12,424
third party

1753
00:43:12,426 --> 00:43:14,226
contractor did, like

1754
00:43:14,228 --> 00:43:15,260
replacing the carpet,

1755
00:43:15,262 --> 00:43:16,395
let's say, then I

1756
00:43:16,397 --> 00:43:17,229
think the receipt

1757
00:43:17,231 --> 00:43:18,163
showing what you

1758
00:43:18,165 --> 00:43:18,897
actually paid the

1759
00:43:18,899 --> 00:43:19,598
third party

1760
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,298
contractor is

1761
00:43:20,300 --> 00:43:21,066
sufficient. It should

1762
00:43:21,068 --> 00:43:22,501
include everything.

1763
00:43:22,503 --> 00:43:23,935
If you're doing it in

1764
00:43:23,937 --> 00:43:24,936
house, then I think

1765
00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:25,704
it's other

1766
00:43:25,706 --> 00:43:26,204
documentation because

1767
00:43:26,206 --> 00:43:27,072
you're not going to

1768
00:43:27,074 --> 00:43:28,640
have a receipt. And,

1769
00:43:28,642 --> 00:43:29,408
and I, you know, I'm

1770
00:43:29,410 --> 00:43:30,442
somewhat flexible on

1771
00:43:30,444 --> 00:43:32,177
how we define that

1772
00:43:32,179 --> 00:43:33,578
other documentation.

1773
00:43:33,580 --> 00:43:34,813
As long as it's clear

1774
00:43:34,815 --> 00:43:35,747
that the

1775
00:43:35,749 --> 00:43:36,982
documentation is

1776
00:43:36,984 --> 00:43:37,616
required.

1777
00:43:37,618 --> 00:43:39,050
>> So I just.

1778
00:43:39,052 --> 00:43:40,285
>> Go ahead. Patrick.

1779
00:43:40,287 --> 00:43:40,852
>> I was just going

1780
00:43:40,854 --> 00:43:42,421
to say, I think from

1781
00:43:42,423 --> 00:43:42,888
a transparency point

1782
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:44,423
of view, it makes a

1783
00:43:44,425 --> 00:43:45,424
whole lot easier for

1784
00:43:45,426 --> 00:43:46,491
the tenant to see all

1785
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:47,592
that on one piece of

1786
00:43:47,594 --> 00:43:48,627
paper of what their

1787
00:43:48,629 --> 00:43:49,561
costs were. That's

1788
00:43:49,563 --> 00:43:50,529
kind of where I was

1789
00:43:50,531 --> 00:43:51,630
going with this is, I

1790
00:43:51,632 --> 00:43:52,697
think transparency is

1791
00:43:52,699 --> 00:43:53,598
key making just easy

1792
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,633
to see. Okay, they

1793
00:43:54,635 --> 00:43:55,600
did that, that that

1794
00:43:55,602 --> 00:43:55,934
done.

1795
00:43:55,936 --> 00:43:56,701
>> No, I don't

1796
00:43:56,703 --> 00:43:58,703
disagree with that.

1797
00:43:58,705 --> 00:43:59,704
I'm just trying to

1798
00:43:59,706 --> 00:44:00,639
figure out how we.

1799
00:44:00,641 --> 00:44:01,506
>> Accommodate

1800
00:44:01,508 --> 00:44:01,807
concerns.

1801
00:44:01,809 --> 00:44:02,674
>> Yeah. So this was

1802
00:44:02,676 --> 00:44:03,642
something that came

1803
00:44:03,644 --> 00:44:04,609
up in the first

1804
00:44:04,611 --> 00:44:05,610
meeting. And we had a

1805
00:44:05,612 --> 00:44:06,511
similar conversation

1806
00:44:06,513 --> 00:44:07,145
because I think

1807
00:44:07,147 --> 00:44:07,879
initially we had

1808
00:44:07,881 --> 00:44:09,281
essentially just said

1809
00:44:09,283 --> 00:44:10,749
receipts and we

1810
00:44:10,751 --> 00:44:11,817
received similar

1811
00:44:11,819 --> 00:44:13,952
feedback. So Erin's

1812
00:44:13,954 --> 00:44:14,719
language that she put

1813
00:44:14,721 --> 00:44:15,787
in the chat is very

1814
00:44:15,789 --> 00:44:16,688
similar to the

1815
00:44:16,690 --> 00:44:17,689
language that we had

1816
00:44:17,691 --> 00:44:20,091
in the meeting. The

1817
00:44:20,093 --> 00:44:21,526
second version of the

1818
00:44:21,528 --> 00:44:22,360
workgroup draft. And

1819
00:44:22,362 --> 00:44:23,428
I can read out loud

1820
00:44:23,430 --> 00:44:24,830
what that says. If we

1821
00:44:24,832 --> 00:44:25,864
want to kind of

1822
00:44:25,866 --> 00:44:27,299
revisit that and

1823
00:44:27,301 --> 00:44:28,066
incorporate that or

1824
00:44:28,068 --> 00:44:29,768
tweak it to make it

1825
00:44:29,770 --> 00:44:30,502
more distinct. But

1826
00:44:30,504 --> 00:44:31,970
what that version of

1827
00:44:31,972 --> 00:44:33,104
the bill said, and

1828
00:44:33,106 --> 00:44:34,172
this was created for

1829
00:44:34,174 --> 00:44:35,173
the second workgroup

1830
00:44:35,175 --> 00:44:36,708
meeting, is at the

1831
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:37,742
very on, and I can

1832
00:44:37,744 --> 00:44:38,443
send this to the

1833
00:44:38,445 --> 00:44:39,511
group, I can resend

1834
00:44:39,513 --> 00:44:43,114
it, but let's see, it

1835
00:44:43,116 --> 00:44:44,583
was line 851. I'm

1836
00:44:44,585 --> 00:44:45,417
sure most of you. But

1837
00:44:45,419 --> 00:44:47,085
it said the paragraph

1838
00:44:47,087 --> 00:44:47,819
started very

1839
00:44:47,821 --> 00:44:48,453
similarly where it

1840
00:44:48,455 --> 00:44:49,054
said, the landlord

1841
00:44:49,056 --> 00:44:49,988
shall not apply to

1842
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:51,056
any portion of the

1843
00:44:51,058 --> 00:44:52,123
security or shall not

1844
00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:52,891
apply any portion of

1845
00:44:52,893 --> 00:44:54,259
the security deposit

1846
00:44:54,261 --> 00:44:55,660
toward the cost of

1847
00:44:55,662 --> 00:44:58,597
etc. and then it said,

1848
00:44:58,599 --> 00:45:00,398
unless such costs are

1849
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:01,466
reasonably necessary,

1850
00:45:01,468 --> 00:45:03,635
etc. and be. The

1851
00:45:03,637 --> 00:45:04,736
landlord provides the

1852
00:45:04,738 --> 00:45:05,804
tenant either a

1853
00:45:05,806 --> 00:45:06,571
receipt reflecting

1854
00:45:06,573 --> 00:45:07,639
the costs of the

1855
00:45:07,641 --> 00:45:09,040
professional services

1856
00:45:09,042 --> 00:45:10,842
or an invoice with an

1857
00:45:10,844 --> 00:45:11,843
estimate of the cost

1858
00:45:11,845 --> 00:45:13,044
of materials used to

1859
00:45:13,046 --> 00:45:13,879
return the premises

1860
00:45:13,881 --> 00:45:15,180
to the same condition

1861
00:45:15,182 --> 00:45:16,181
as the condition of

1862
00:45:16,183 --> 00:45:17,649
the premises, less

1863
00:45:17,651 --> 00:45:18,383
reasonable wear and

1864
00:45:18,385 --> 00:45:20,218
tear and an

1865
00:45:20,220 --> 00:45:20,652
itemization of the

1866
00:45:20,654 --> 00:45:21,620
number of hours and

1867
00:45:21,622 --> 00:45:22,721
the hourly rate for

1868
00:45:22,723 --> 00:45:23,989
any labor performed

1869
00:45:23,991 --> 00:45:25,223
by the landlord or an

1870
00:45:25,225 --> 00:45:25,924
employee of the

1871
00:45:25,926 --> 00:45:27,359
landlord. So we did

1872
00:45:27,361 --> 00:45:28,560
this because, you

1873
00:45:28,562 --> 00:45:29,728
know, this feedback,

1874
00:45:29,730 --> 00:45:30,996
we received the same

1875
00:45:30,998 --> 00:45:31,730
feedback that it is

1876
00:45:31,732 --> 00:45:32,797
difficult to know how

1877
00:45:32,799 --> 00:45:34,032
much these materials

1878
00:45:34,034 --> 00:45:35,033
are. If you get using

1879
00:45:35,035 --> 00:45:36,034
half a gallon of

1880
00:45:36,036 --> 00:45:37,035
paint, you can just

1881
00:45:37,037 --> 00:45:38,069
use an estimate of

1882
00:45:38,071 --> 00:45:39,104
the cost of materials.

1883
00:45:39,106 --> 00:45:40,038
That was why we put

1884
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:41,873
that in. And we did

1885
00:45:41,875 --> 00:45:42,507
explicitly state that

1886
00:45:42,509 --> 00:45:44,643
that invoice with the

1887
00:45:44,645 --> 00:45:45,644
cost of materials and

1888
00:45:45,646 --> 00:45:46,845
the hourly rate is

1889
00:45:46,847 --> 00:45:48,313
for landlords who did

1890
00:45:48,315 --> 00:45:49,581
that labor themselves.

1891
00:45:49,583 --> 00:45:50,916
So if we need to kind

1892
00:45:50,918 --> 00:45:51,316
of revisit that

1893
00:45:51,318 --> 00:45:52,083
language or tweak

1894
00:45:52,085 --> 00:45:54,052
this language to more

1895
00:45:54,054 --> 00:45:55,086
closely align with

1896
00:45:55,088 --> 00:45:56,187
that, we're fine with

1897
00:45:56,189 --> 00:45:57,188
that. I can resend

1898
00:45:57,190 --> 00:45:57,956
that language, but

1899
00:45:57,958 --> 00:45:58,723
that was already

1900
00:45:58,725 --> 00:46:00,859
something that we had

1901
00:46:00,861 --> 00:46:01,560
discussed and tweaked

1902
00:46:01,562 --> 00:46:02,394
in response to the

1903
00:46:02,396 --> 00:46:04,129
very first meeting.

1904
00:46:04,131 --> 00:46:04,863
>> Andrew.

1905
00:46:04,865 --> 00:46:05,964
>> Hey, to, to

1906
00:46:05,966 --> 00:46:07,732
address the Christy

1907
00:46:07,734 --> 00:46:08,433
raised a good point

1908
00:46:08,435 --> 00:46:09,267
as applicable. Kind

1909
00:46:09,269 --> 00:46:10,969
of leaves it wide

1910
00:46:10,971 --> 00:46:13,104
open. The language I

1911
00:46:13,106 --> 00:46:14,205
just dropped in there

1912
00:46:14,207 --> 00:46:15,273
maybe fixes that,

1913
00:46:15,275 --> 00:46:16,341
right? So it says an

1914
00:46:16,343 --> 00:46:18,143
itemized statement,

1915
00:46:18,145 --> 00:46:19,611
including for

1916
00:46:19,613 --> 00:46:20,345
services performed

1917
00:46:20,347 --> 00:46:21,046
the copy of that

1918
00:46:21,048 --> 00:46:22,447
receipt for materials,

1919
00:46:22,449 --> 00:46:23,315
purchased the cost of

1920
00:46:23,317 --> 00:46:24,282
those materials. So

1921
00:46:24,284 --> 00:46:25,383
you get some

1922
00:46:25,385 --> 00:46:26,184
discretion, right?

1923
00:46:26,186 --> 00:46:27,552
Like if you have

1924
00:46:27,554 --> 00:46:28,019
materials, then you

1925
00:46:28,021 --> 00:46:28,853
got to report them.

1926
00:46:28,855 --> 00:46:30,555
But if you don't have

1927
00:46:30,557 --> 00:46:31,022
materials, then you

1928
00:46:31,024 --> 00:46:31,823
don't have to report

1929
00:46:31,825 --> 00:46:32,857
them that that gives

1930
00:46:32,859 --> 00:46:33,825
it a little more

1931
00:46:33,827 --> 00:46:35,060
structure than the as

1932
00:46:35,062 --> 00:46:36,194
applicable, which is,

1933
00:46:36,196 --> 00:46:38,697
you know, going to be,

1934
00:46:38,699 --> 00:46:40,131
can be

1935
00:46:40,133 --> 00:46:41,566
unintentionally or

1936
00:46:41,568 --> 00:46:43,001
intentionally gained.

1937
00:46:43,003 --> 00:46:43,368
Okay.

1938
00:46:43,370 --> 00:46:44,436
>> All right. So I

1939
00:46:44,438 --> 00:46:45,303
know that we guys, we

1940
00:46:45,305 --> 00:46:46,404
all can't resist the,

1941
00:46:46,406 --> 00:46:48,773
the, we really can't

1942
00:46:48,775 --> 00:46:49,240
wordsmith this with

1943
00:46:49,242 --> 00:46:50,041
this whole committee

1944
00:46:50,043 --> 00:46:51,009
here. It just, it's,

1945
00:46:51,011 --> 00:46:51,943
we're never going to

1946
00:46:51,945 --> 00:46:53,078
get finished. I'm

1947
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,212
sorry. I mean, my

1948
00:46:54,214 --> 00:46:54,779
impatience is showing.

1949
00:46:54,781 --> 00:46:56,314
But here it is. It's

1950
00:46:56,316 --> 00:46:57,082
1040. We've been

1951
00:46:57,084 --> 00:46:58,083
working on it 40

1952
00:46:58,085 --> 00:46:58,550
minutes working on

1953
00:46:58,552 --> 00:46:59,351
the same paragraph

1954
00:46:59,353 --> 00:47:00,218
and something I think

1955
00:47:00,220 --> 00:47:01,252
we all agree on.

1956
00:47:01,254 --> 00:47:02,253
Right. We just need

1957
00:47:02,255 --> 00:47:03,221
to figure out the

1958
00:47:03,223 --> 00:47:05,090
best way to do it. So

1959
00:47:05,092 --> 00:47:05,523
that's fine. We'll

1960
00:47:05,525 --> 00:47:06,725
work on whether it's

1961
00:47:06,727 --> 00:47:07,659
revisiting Emmeline's,

1962
00:47:07,661 --> 00:47:08,426
adding incorporating

1963
00:47:08,428 --> 00:47:09,661
some Andrew's, you

1964
00:47:09,663 --> 00:47:10,629
know, for materials.

1965
00:47:10,631 --> 00:47:12,230
I like that approach.

1966
00:47:12,232 --> 00:47:13,031
We'll have staff come

1967
00:47:13,033 --> 00:47:14,532
and come back to us

1968
00:47:14,534 --> 00:47:15,533
at the meeting with

1969
00:47:15,535 --> 00:47:15,967
something, and you

1970
00:47:15,969 --> 00:47:16,868
guys will inevitably

1971
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:17,702
want to wordsmith

1972
00:47:17,704 --> 00:47:19,070
that some more. And

1973
00:47:19,072 --> 00:47:19,704
through the

1974
00:47:19,706 --> 00:47:20,672
legislative process,

1975
00:47:20,674 --> 00:47:21,640
I think the areas of,

1976
00:47:21,642 --> 00:47:23,775
of disagreement are

1977
00:47:23,777 --> 00:47:24,609
sort of where I want

1978
00:47:24,611 --> 00:47:26,344
to focus us a little

1979
00:47:26,346 --> 00:47:27,345
bit. Again, we can

1980
00:47:27,347 --> 00:47:27,846
wordsmith this stuff.

1981
00:47:27,848 --> 00:47:29,447
I think conceptually,

1982
00:47:29,449 --> 00:47:31,349
as far as we, we, we,

1983
00:47:31,351 --> 00:47:32,651
we like the idea that

1984
00:47:32,653 --> 00:47:33,652
we're of what we've

1985
00:47:33,654 --> 00:47:36,655
got as far as the

1986
00:47:36,657 --> 00:47:37,522
itemization piece,

1987
00:47:37,524 --> 00:47:38,823
the question, the two

1988
00:47:38,825 --> 00:47:39,524
question within that,

1989
00:47:39,526 --> 00:47:40,592
the one thing that we

1990
00:47:40,594 --> 00:47:41,526
don't have consensus

1991
00:47:41,528 --> 00:47:42,627
on is whether we need

1992
00:47:42,629 --> 00:47:43,595
a receipt first, and

1993
00:47:43,597 --> 00:47:44,663
then we don't have a

1994
00:47:44,665 --> 00:47:45,664
consensus on 15 days

1995
00:47:45,666 --> 00:47:47,032
being calendar or

1996
00:47:47,034 --> 00:47:48,133
business, am I am I

1997
00:47:48,135 --> 00:47:49,601
missing any other

1998
00:47:49,603 --> 00:47:51,770
areas of disagreement

1999
00:47:51,772 --> 00:47:52,570
that are not just

2000
00:47:52,572 --> 00:47:55,707
sort of wordsmithing?

2001
00:47:55,709 --> 00:47:56,808
>> Aaron.

2002
00:47:56,810 --> 00:47:57,142
>> Are we.

2003
00:47:57,144 --> 00:47:58,143
>> Still only talking

2004
00:47:58,145 --> 00:47:59,344
about this section.

2005
00:47:59,346 --> 00:48:00,178
>> For now for about

2006
00:48:00,180 --> 00:48:01,112
two more seconds and

2007
00:48:01,114 --> 00:48:02,814
I'm going to move on

2008
00:48:02,816 --> 00:48:03,248
to other sections.

2009
00:48:03,250 --> 00:48:03,815
Okay.

2010
00:48:03,817 --> 00:48:04,816
>> Yeah that's it.

2011
00:48:04,818 --> 00:48:05,817
>> There's only two.

2012
00:48:05,819 --> 00:48:06,818
All right. So I'm

2013
00:48:06,820 --> 00:48:07,819
prepared to to report

2014
00:48:07,821 --> 00:48:08,820
on the controversy on

2015
00:48:08,822 --> 00:48:09,821
the the. 15 business

2016
00:48:09,823 --> 00:48:10,955
and the we use the

2017
00:48:10,957 --> 00:48:11,956
word receipt when we

2018
00:48:11,958 --> 00:48:12,957
present it to the

2019
00:48:12,959 --> 00:48:13,892
full. And hopefully

2020
00:48:13,894 --> 00:48:14,993
we can get the rest

2021
00:48:14,995 --> 00:48:15,994
of those words sort

2022
00:48:15,996 --> 00:48:17,028
of worked out between

2023
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:17,962
now and then. All

2024
00:48:17,964 --> 00:48:19,030
right. Now on to the

2025
00:48:19,032 --> 00:48:20,098
rest of the of the

2026
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:21,466
bill. Aaron, where do

2027
00:48:21,468 --> 00:48:24,169
you want to start?

2028
00:48:24,171 --> 00:48:27,405
Numerical order.

2029
00:48:27,407 --> 00:48:28,406
>> Well, we started

2030
00:48:28,408 --> 00:48:29,507
at the bottom.

2031
00:48:29,509 --> 00:48:31,376
>> So the bottom of

2032
00:48:31,378 --> 00:48:32,844
the meat was.

2033
00:48:32,846 --> 00:48:33,878
>> Yeah. If you if

2034
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,013
you want to do, since

2035
00:48:35,015 --> 00:48:35,980
we're already down in

2036
00:48:35,982 --> 00:48:36,981
that section is what

2037
00:48:36,983 --> 00:48:37,982
I was saying.

2038
00:48:37,984 --> 00:48:38,283
>> Gotcha.

2039
00:48:38,285 --> 00:48:39,050
>> Where do you.

2040
00:48:39,052 --> 00:48:40,819
>> Want to go? The

2041
00:48:40,821 --> 00:48:41,820
next one, the utility

2042
00:48:41,822 --> 00:48:42,554
the utility stuff.

2043
00:48:42,556 --> 00:48:45,724
The seven the line

2044
00:48:45,726 --> 00:48:48,326
762763. I sent the

2045
00:48:48,328 --> 00:48:50,462
language over to Ray

2046
00:48:50,464 --> 00:48:52,931
and Terry Ellis. They

2047
00:48:52,933 --> 00:48:54,032
definitely have

2048
00:48:54,034 --> 00:48:55,200
concerns. Want to

2049
00:48:55,202 --> 00:48:56,568
hear back from their

2050
00:48:56,570 --> 00:48:57,068
folks. We talked

2051
00:48:57,070 --> 00:48:57,769
about this at the

2052
00:48:57,771 --> 00:48:58,837
last meeting that we

2053
00:48:58,839 --> 00:49:00,572
do not want to pull

2054
00:49:00,574 --> 00:49:00,939
utilities in,

2055
00:49:00,941 --> 00:49:01,606
specifically internet

2056
00:49:01,608 --> 00:49:02,707
providers. After last

2057
00:49:02,709 --> 00:49:04,109
year. This language

2058
00:49:04,111 --> 00:49:05,176
seems to pull them in

2059
00:49:05,178 --> 00:49:06,177
and they think it

2060
00:49:06,179 --> 00:49:08,847
does.

2061
00:49:08,849 --> 00:49:09,948
>> Okay, so we talked

2062
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:10,815
just about utility.

2063
00:49:10,817 --> 00:49:11,716
So nothing this

2064
00:49:11,718 --> 00:49:12,183
distinction between

2065
00:49:12,185 --> 00:49:13,118
private owner manager,

2066
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,219
operator from

2067
00:49:14,221 --> 00:49:14,886
including water,

2068
00:49:14,888 --> 00:49:15,487
sewer, electric,

2069
00:49:15,489 --> 00:49:16,721
natural gas or other

2070
00:49:16,723 --> 00:49:18,923
utilities as rent.

2071
00:49:18,925 --> 00:49:20,024
Chris, I know you you

2072
00:49:20,026 --> 00:49:20,959
wanted in here.

2073
00:49:20,961 --> 00:49:21,459
>> Go ahead.

2074
00:49:21,461 --> 00:49:22,961
>> Yes. I mean, I

2075
00:49:22,963 --> 00:49:24,295
think that perhaps

2076
00:49:24,297 --> 00:49:25,330
we're confusing two

2077
00:49:25,332 --> 00:49:26,397
different things

2078
00:49:26,399 --> 00:49:27,165
because my

2079
00:49:27,167 --> 00:49:27,866
understanding from

2080
00:49:27,868 --> 00:49:28,967
talking to Ray during

2081
00:49:28,969 --> 00:49:30,034
session was that

2082
00:49:30,036 --> 00:49:31,136
their concern was

2083
00:49:31,138 --> 00:49:32,570
about these bulk

2084
00:49:32,572 --> 00:49:33,972
deals that they

2085
00:49:33,974 --> 00:49:35,473
provide to large

2086
00:49:35,475 --> 00:49:36,374
multifamily complexes

2087
00:49:36,376 --> 00:49:38,843
that provide somewhat

2088
00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:40,111
of a discount, at

2089
00:49:40,113 --> 00:49:41,679
least to the owners

2090
00:49:41,681 --> 00:49:43,414
of that complex. And

2091
00:49:43,416 --> 00:49:44,783
we're not we're not

2092
00:49:44,785 --> 00:49:45,650
trying to get at that

2093
00:49:45,652 --> 00:49:47,285
because in that

2094
00:49:47,287 --> 00:49:48,019
circumstance, the

2095
00:49:48,021 --> 00:49:51,322
tenant is paying the

2096
00:49:51,324 --> 00:49:54,125
provider and it's a

2097
00:49:54,127 --> 00:49:55,226
fee that they haven't

2098
00:49:55,228 --> 00:49:56,361
negotiated. It is it

2099
00:49:56,363 --> 00:49:57,896
is its own problem.

2100
00:49:57,898 --> 00:49:58,863
And we do want to

2101
00:49:58,865 --> 00:49:59,864
address it at some

2102
00:49:59,866 --> 00:50:00,999
point. This doesn't

2103
00:50:01,001 --> 00:50:02,100
address that. This

2104
00:50:02,102 --> 00:50:03,501
just says you can't

2105
00:50:03,503 --> 00:50:05,670
double dip. You can't

2106
00:50:05,672 --> 00:50:07,505
charge as part of the

2107
00:50:07,507 --> 00:50:09,607
rent for utility

2108
00:50:09,609 --> 00:50:10,375
service that the

2109
00:50:10,377 --> 00:50:12,544
tenant is also paying

2110
00:50:12,546 --> 00:50:13,945
for directly to the

2111
00:50:13,947 --> 00:50:15,814
utility provider. So

2112
00:50:15,816 --> 00:50:16,848
I just think it's a

2113
00:50:16,850 --> 00:50:17,615
different thing, at

2114
00:50:17,617 --> 00:50:18,349
least than what Ray

2115
00:50:18,351 --> 00:50:19,417
and I talked about

2116
00:50:19,419 --> 00:50:20,785
during session, which

2117
00:50:20,787 --> 00:50:21,886
is much more

2118
00:50:21,888 --> 00:50:22,353
complicated. I agree

2119
00:50:22,355 --> 00:50:23,888
with you. This is not

2120
00:50:23,890 --> 00:50:25,456
that.

2121
00:50:25,458 --> 00:50:26,891
>> Jessica.

2122
00:50:26,893 --> 00:50:27,959
>> I just want to

2123
00:50:27,961 --> 00:50:28,326
clarify the

2124
00:50:28,328 --> 00:50:29,460
conversation about

2125
00:50:29,462 --> 00:50:29,861
utilities. Last

2126
00:50:29,863 --> 00:50:30,895
meeting was only

2127
00:50:30,897 --> 00:50:31,596
concerned with the

2128
00:50:31,598 --> 00:50:32,330
Schmidt bill, which

2129
00:50:32,332 --> 00:50:33,498
does veer off into

2130
00:50:33,500 --> 00:50:34,966
that direction. This

2131
00:50:34,968 --> 00:50:36,301
piece has never been

2132
00:50:36,303 --> 00:50:37,435
discussed or an issue

2133
00:50:37,437 --> 00:50:38,069
previously with this

2134
00:50:38,071 --> 00:50:38,803
bill.

2135
00:50:38,805 --> 00:50:39,537
>> Sorry.

2136
00:50:39,539 --> 00:50:41,306
>> So yeah, just to

2137
00:50:41,308 --> 00:50:42,240
separate the concepts

2138
00:50:42,242 --> 00:50:43,508
of these two bills

2139
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:44,242
completely, as

2140
00:50:44,244 --> 00:50:45,243
Christy said, this is

2141
00:50:45,245 --> 00:50:46,377
an entirely different

2142
00:50:46,379 --> 00:50:47,145
intent, does not

2143
00:50:47,147 --> 00:50:48,213
intend to target

2144
00:50:48,215 --> 00:50:49,280
utility agreements

2145
00:50:49,282 --> 00:50:49,948
where the

2146
00:50:49,950 --> 00:50:50,548
relationship between

2147
00:50:50,550 --> 00:50:51,382
the tenant and

2148
00:50:51,384 --> 00:50:52,851
utility in that way

2149
00:50:52,853 --> 00:50:54,285
whatsoever. This is

2150
00:50:54,287 --> 00:50:55,453
just what it says

2151
00:50:55,455 --> 00:50:56,287
here, and I believe

2152
00:50:56,289 --> 00:50:58,056
it kind of mirrors a

2153
00:50:58,058 --> 00:50:58,523
different section in

2154
00:50:58,525 --> 00:50:59,290
the code as well,

2155
00:50:59,292 --> 00:51:00,258
where this language

2156
00:51:00,260 --> 00:51:01,192
was already in use.

2157
00:51:01,194 --> 00:51:02,260
And my understanding

2158
00:51:02,262 --> 00:51:03,027
is that the

2159
00:51:03,029 --> 00:51:03,528
definition of utility

2160
00:51:03,530 --> 00:51:04,262
in the Landlord

2161
00:51:04,264 --> 00:51:05,230
Tenant Act does not

2162
00:51:05,232 --> 00:51:06,030
include internet

2163
00:51:06,032 --> 00:51:06,564
service providers. So

2164
00:51:06,566 --> 00:51:07,932
I don't really

2165
00:51:07,934 --> 00:51:09,434
understand what the

2166
00:51:09,436 --> 00:51:10,468
concern is on that

2167
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:11,302
front. And I've also

2168
00:51:11,304 --> 00:51:12,337
reached out to the

2169
00:51:12,339 --> 00:51:13,404
VTA and they can

2170
00:51:13,406 --> 00:51:14,405
provide comment at

2171
00:51:14,407 --> 00:51:15,506
any time. I just want

2172
00:51:15,508 --> 00:51:16,374
to clarify, these two

2173
00:51:16,376 --> 00:51:17,342
bills are entirely

2174
00:51:17,344 --> 00:51:18,142
different and they're

2175
00:51:18,144 --> 00:51:18,476
they're.

2176
00:51:18,478 --> 00:51:19,177
>> Different issues.

2177
00:51:19,179 --> 00:51:20,011
>> This language

2178
00:51:20,013 --> 00:51:20,511
seems pretty specific

2179
00:51:20,513 --> 00:51:21,312
to just not double.

2180
00:51:21,314 --> 00:51:22,280
You can't charge it

2181
00:51:22,282 --> 00:51:23,281
as rent. And then

2182
00:51:23,283 --> 00:51:24,315
also you can't charge

2183
00:51:24,317 --> 00:51:25,717
somebody water as

2184
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,251
part of their rent if

2185
00:51:26,253 --> 00:51:27,252
they're also paying a

2186
00:51:27,254 --> 00:51:28,286
water bill directly.

2187
00:51:28,288 --> 00:51:32,056
>> That's awesome.

2188
00:51:32,058 --> 00:51:33,992
Aaron. Yeah.

2189
00:51:33,994 --> 00:51:35,293
>> The only reason I

2190
00:51:35,295 --> 00:51:36,761
flagged this was in

2191
00:51:36,763 --> 00:51:38,897
my very, very general

2192
00:51:38,899 --> 00:51:40,398
research on utilities

2193
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,799
in the code. It did

2194
00:51:41,801 --> 00:51:44,302
include internet. And

2195
00:51:44,304 --> 00:51:45,803
so by adding that

2196
00:51:45,805 --> 00:51:46,838
extra sentence, I was

2197
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:47,939
worried that we were

2198
00:51:47,941 --> 00:51:49,007
pulling in

2199
00:51:49,009 --> 00:51:49,440
stakeholders that

2200
00:51:49,442 --> 00:51:50,475
just weren't a part

2201
00:51:50,477 --> 00:51:51,876
of the conversation.

2202
00:51:51,878 --> 00:51:52,944
I do see that there

2203
00:51:52,946 --> 00:51:54,746
is a separate

2204
00:51:54,748 --> 00:51:57,282
definition of utility

2205
00:51:57,284 --> 00:51:59,450
under the VRLTA,

2206
00:51:59,452 --> 00:52:01,753
which does not appear

2207
00:52:01,755 --> 00:52:03,054
to include internet.

2208
00:52:03,056 --> 00:52:04,155
So this this wasn't

2209
00:52:04,157 --> 00:52:05,924
like a a, you know, a

2210
00:52:05,926 --> 00:52:07,025
stopping point for us.

2211
00:52:07,027 --> 00:52:08,459
I was just concerned

2212
00:52:08,461 --> 00:52:09,861
that maybe the right

2213
00:52:09,863 --> 00:52:11,296
stakeholders weren't

2214
00:52:11,298 --> 00:52:12,797
here that knew the

2215
00:52:12,799 --> 00:52:14,232
subject matter better

2216
00:52:14,234 --> 00:52:15,600
than, than I did. So

2217
00:52:15,602 --> 00:52:16,701
that was my only flag

2218
00:52:16,703 --> 00:52:16,968
on this.

2219
00:52:16,970 --> 00:52:17,835
>> All right. So

2220
00:52:17,837 --> 00:52:18,870
we'll leave that as

2221
00:52:18,872 --> 00:52:20,638
is. Let's go back up

2222
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,810
to moving up. DJ do

2223
00:52:25,812 --> 00:52:27,679
you have the next one

2224
00:52:27,681 --> 00:52:30,748
or Aaron.

2225
00:52:30,750 --> 00:52:32,517
>> Miss the line 29.

2226
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:33,251
>> For the out of

2227
00:52:33,253 --> 00:52:34,719
pocket expenses. Our

2228
00:52:34,721 --> 00:52:36,187
members have asked

2229
00:52:36,189 --> 00:52:37,221
and that's under

2230
00:52:37,223 --> 00:52:39,390
admin fees or I

2231
00:52:39,392 --> 00:52:40,792
believe it's under or

2232
00:52:40,794 --> 00:52:41,559
maybe it's

2233
00:52:41,561 --> 00:52:45,897
application fees.

2234
00:52:45,899 --> 00:52:49,133
>> 329.

2235
00:52:49,135 --> 00:52:52,003
>> So we deleted the

2236
00:52:52,005 --> 00:52:52,704
exclusive of actual

2237
00:52:52,706 --> 00:52:53,838
out of pocket

2238
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,572
expenses. And my

2239
00:52:54,574 --> 00:52:55,273
members have just

2240
00:52:55,275 --> 00:52:56,307
asked to put it back

2241
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:57,342
in. They're really

2242
00:52:57,344 --> 00:52:57,809
struggling with

2243
00:52:57,811 --> 00:52:58,509
fraudulent

2244
00:52:58,511 --> 00:52:58,943
applications. And

2245
00:52:58,945 --> 00:52:59,978
they're having to do

2246
00:52:59,980 --> 00:53:01,779
a lot of additional

2247
00:53:01,781 --> 00:53:02,814
verification checks

2248
00:53:02,816 --> 00:53:03,915
that are costing

2249
00:53:03,917 --> 00:53:05,383
additional money. And

2250
00:53:05,385 --> 00:53:06,417
it's potential for

2251
00:53:06,419 --> 00:53:07,485
that cost to go up.

2252
00:53:07,487 --> 00:53:08,886
And so they've just

2253
00:53:08,888 --> 00:53:10,088
asked that the actual

2254
00:53:10,090 --> 00:53:11,456
out of pocket

2255
00:53:11,458 --> 00:53:12,557
expenses paid that

2256
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,325
language go back in.

2257
00:53:14,327 --> 00:53:15,326
>> We're going to.

2258
00:53:15,328 --> 00:53:16,327
>> Go ahead. Emily.

2259
00:53:16,329 --> 00:53:17,328
And then Christy and

2260
00:53:17,330 --> 00:53:18,663
then Victoria.

2261
00:53:18,665 --> 00:53:20,465
>> Yeah, we took that

2262
00:53:20,467 --> 00:53:21,232
out because as it

2263
00:53:21,234 --> 00:53:22,233
states right now in

2264
00:53:22,235 --> 00:53:23,101
code, this is saying

2265
00:53:23,103 --> 00:53:23,968
that you get

2266
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:24,902
essentially like, and

2267
00:53:24,904 --> 00:53:25,937
I'm not saying that

2268
00:53:25,939 --> 00:53:26,971
this is what always

2269
00:53:26,973 --> 00:53:27,905
occurs, but you can

2270
00:53:27,907 --> 00:53:29,173
kind of take a

2271
00:53:29,175 --> 00:53:30,541
default $50 and then

2272
00:53:30,543 --> 00:53:31,242
also charge for

2273
00:53:31,244 --> 00:53:32,343
whatever your cost of

2274
00:53:32,345 --> 00:53:33,111
expenses are on top

2275
00:53:33,113 --> 00:53:34,812
of that. That's not

2276
00:53:34,814 --> 00:53:35,380
necessarily happening

2277
00:53:35,382 --> 00:53:36,347
in practice all the

2278
00:53:36,349 --> 00:53:37,215
time, but that's

2279
00:53:37,217 --> 00:53:37,715
something that would

2280
00:53:37,717 --> 00:53:38,783
be allowed under this

2281
00:53:38,785 --> 00:53:40,985
current language. We

2282
00:53:40,987 --> 00:53:42,053
would I spoke to

2283
00:53:42,055 --> 00:53:42,787
Patrick. If we want

2284
00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:44,222
to do an application

2285
00:53:44,224 --> 00:53:46,024
fee, shall not exceed

2286
00:53:46,026 --> 00:53:47,625
$50 or the actual out

2287
00:53:47,627 --> 00:53:49,193
of pocket expenses.

2288
00:53:49,195 --> 00:53:49,927
Patrick wrote some

2289
00:53:49,929 --> 00:53:50,695
language for

2290
00:53:50,697 --> 00:53:51,429
consideration this

2291
00:53:51,431 --> 00:53:52,130
morning related to

2292
00:53:52,132 --> 00:53:54,265
that. We can do that,

2293
00:53:54,267 --> 00:53:54,999
but we're not

2294
00:53:55,001 --> 00:53:56,467
comfortable saying

2295
00:53:56,469 --> 00:53:57,568
exclusive of any

2296
00:53:57,570 --> 00:53:58,636
actual out of pocket

2297
00:53:58,638 --> 00:53:59,337
expenses because

2298
00:53:59,339 --> 00:54:01,239
that's $50 then, plus

2299
00:54:01,241 --> 00:54:02,240
the out of pocket

2300
00:54:02,242 --> 00:54:03,041
expenses. If we want

2301
00:54:03,043 --> 00:54:05,109
to do either or, then

2302
00:54:05,111 --> 00:54:05,877
we can do that. But

2303
00:54:05,879 --> 00:54:07,578
right now it's 50

2304
00:54:07,580 --> 00:54:08,446
plus and that's

2305
00:54:08,448 --> 00:54:09,380
something we're not

2306
00:54:09,382 --> 00:54:10,915
comfortable with.

2307
00:54:10,917 --> 00:54:12,016
>> Either or is fine

2308
00:54:12,018 --> 00:54:13,317
with me.

2309
00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:14,419
>> Okay. Do we have

2310
00:54:14,421 --> 00:54:15,319
language on how

2311
00:54:15,321 --> 00:54:16,687
either or works?

2312
00:54:16,689 --> 00:54:17,688
>> Patrick I think

2313
00:54:17,690 --> 00:54:18,756
wrote some if he

2314
00:54:18,758 --> 00:54:19,757
wanted to. Yep, it's

2315
00:54:19,759 --> 00:54:21,993
right there. Perfect.

2316
00:54:21,995 --> 00:54:23,895
>> So I see $50 or

2317
00:54:23,897 --> 00:54:24,629
the actual out of

2318
00:54:24,631 --> 00:54:25,596
pocket expenses paid

2319
00:54:25,598 --> 00:54:26,597
by the landlord to a

2320
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:27,498
third party

2321
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:27,999
performing background

2322
00:54:28,001 --> 00:54:28,633
credit. Okay. Got it.

2323
00:54:28,635 --> 00:54:29,934
Okay. Go ahead.

2324
00:54:29,936 --> 00:54:30,201
Christy.

2325
00:54:30,203 --> 00:54:30,735
>> I do have a

2326
00:54:30,737 --> 00:54:31,769
question about that

2327
00:54:31,771 --> 00:54:32,603
specifically for

2328
00:54:32,605 --> 00:54:34,238
Aaron and I may be

2329
00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:35,306
misremembering our

2330
00:54:35,308 --> 00:54:36,474
conversation, but I

2331
00:54:36,476 --> 00:54:37,909
thought we had a

2332
00:54:37,911 --> 00:54:38,443
conversation a couple

2333
00:54:38,445 --> 00:54:39,710
of sessions ago in

2334
00:54:39,712 --> 00:54:41,045
which we talked about

2335
00:54:41,047 --> 00:54:43,214
how, given the use of

2336
00:54:43,216 --> 00:54:45,016
third party tenant

2337
00:54:45,018 --> 00:54:46,517
screening companies,

2338
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:47,952
many landlords are

2339
00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:48,352
contracting with

2340
00:54:48,354 --> 00:54:49,420
those third party

2341
00:54:49,422 --> 00:54:50,088
tenant screening

2342
00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:51,222
companies. So they

2343
00:54:51,224 --> 00:54:52,990
get services sort of

2344
00:54:52,992 --> 00:54:54,392
in bulk. Will that

2345
00:54:54,394 --> 00:54:56,194
make it hard to

2346
00:54:56,196 --> 00:54:57,295
determine what the

2347
00:54:57,297 --> 00:54:59,430
actual cost is? And

2348
00:54:59,432 --> 00:55:00,898
if so, they can just

2349
00:55:00,900 --> 00:55:02,066
charge the $50. And

2350
00:55:02,068 --> 00:55:02,800
that's certainly fine

2351
00:55:02,802 --> 00:55:04,869
with us. But I just

2352
00:55:04,871 --> 00:55:06,971
wanted to flag that

2353
00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:08,906
in in and see what

2354
00:55:08,908 --> 00:55:09,740
you thought about

2355
00:55:09,742 --> 00:55:10,508
that. Aaron.

2356
00:55:10,510 --> 00:55:11,509
>> Yeah, no, that's

2357
00:55:11,511 --> 00:55:12,276
absolutely valid. My,

2358
00:55:12,278 --> 00:55:14,779
my take on that is if

2359
00:55:14,781 --> 00:55:17,715
they feel like this

2360
00:55:17,717 --> 00:55:19,517
expense to further

2361
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:21,219
verify applications

2362
00:55:21,221 --> 00:55:22,887
is so great, right,

2363
00:55:22,889 --> 00:55:23,821
that they're

2364
00:55:23,823 --> 00:55:25,623
purchasing this bulk

2365
00:55:25,625 --> 00:55:27,058
expense, then they're

2366
00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:28,092
going to have to try

2367
00:55:28,094 --> 00:55:29,227
and figure out, you

2368
00:55:29,229 --> 00:55:30,328
know, if I pay for

2369
00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:32,063
100 applications and

2370
00:55:32,065 --> 00:55:34,999
then it is that cost

2371
00:55:35,001 --> 00:55:36,167
divided by 100, like

2372
00:55:36,169 --> 00:55:37,168
that's on them. I

2373
00:55:37,170 --> 00:55:38,936
just don't want to

2374
00:55:38,938 --> 00:55:40,037
keep it so that they

2375
00:55:40,039 --> 00:55:41,139
could never recoup

2376
00:55:41,141 --> 00:55:42,173
that cost as that

2377
00:55:42,175 --> 00:55:43,274
cost continues to

2378
00:55:43,276 --> 00:55:45,076
grow. So I'm fine

2379
00:55:45,078 --> 00:55:46,144
with that language.

2380
00:55:46,146 --> 00:55:46,978
>> All right. Just

2381
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:48,045
one other point. And

2382
00:55:48,047 --> 00:55:48,980
this may be what

2383
00:55:48,982 --> 00:55:49,947
Victoria is going to

2384
00:55:49,949 --> 00:55:51,048
say to you. The only

2385
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:51,282
other.

2386
00:55:51,284 --> 00:55:52,183
>> Thing happened a

2387
00:55:52,185 --> 00:55:53,084
couple of times, I

2388
00:55:53,086 --> 00:55:54,118
think you've talked

2389
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:54,952
in Victoria has

2390
00:55:54,954 --> 00:55:55,987
turned her hand off.

2391
00:55:55,989 --> 00:55:57,054
>> But that the only

2392
00:55:57,056 --> 00:55:58,022
thing that really

2393
00:55:58,024 --> 00:55:58,856
other thing that

2394
00:55:58,858 --> 00:55:59,857
really concerns me is

2395
00:55:59,859 --> 00:56:00,958
then the lack of you

2396
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,859
can call it

2397
00:56:01,861 --> 00:56:02,360
transparency. You can

2398
00:56:02,362 --> 00:56:02,960
call it

2399
00:56:02,962 --> 00:56:03,394
predictability for

2400
00:56:03,396 --> 00:56:04,195
the tenant. And I

2401
00:56:04,197 --> 00:56:05,863
don't know how we get

2402
00:56:05,865 --> 00:56:06,330
around.

2403
00:56:06,332 --> 00:56:07,064
>> Those fees have to

2404
00:56:07,066 --> 00:56:08,099
be disclosed up front

2405
00:56:08,101 --> 00:56:09,033
before they even hit

2406
00:56:09,035 --> 00:56:10,601
the button. So.

2407
00:56:10,603 --> 00:56:11,302
>> Okay, even if

2408
00:56:11,304 --> 00:56:12,403
they're even if

2409
00:56:12,405 --> 00:56:13,838
they're specific to

2410
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,808
that screening, okay.

2411
00:56:17,810 --> 00:56:19,977
>> Victoria.

2412
00:56:19,979 --> 00:56:20,978
>> I mean, you're

2413
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:21,979
right. I, you know,

2414
00:56:21,981 --> 00:56:23,080
Christy and I in many

2415
00:56:23,082 --> 00:56:24,048
ways think with one

2416
00:56:24,050 --> 00:56:25,449
mind, but I, I did

2417
00:56:25,451 --> 00:56:26,217
want to say the same

2418
00:56:26,219 --> 00:56:27,185
thing. I'm just

2419
00:56:27,187 --> 00:56:28,085
really concerned with

2420
00:56:28,087 --> 00:56:29,353
all the actual cost

2421
00:56:29,355 --> 00:56:30,454
things because it's

2422
00:56:30,456 --> 00:56:31,656
so hard for a tenant

2423
00:56:31,658 --> 00:56:32,590
to ever figure out

2424
00:56:32,592 --> 00:56:34,458
what that is. And,

2425
00:56:34,460 --> 00:56:35,626
you know, to Aaron's

2426
00:56:35,628 --> 00:56:36,527
point, there are a

2427
00:56:36,529 --> 00:56:37,495
couple other places

2428
00:56:37,497 --> 00:56:38,696
in the code or in

2429
00:56:38,698 --> 00:56:41,566
this draft and in

2430
00:56:41,568 --> 00:56:42,300
Delegate Bennett

2431
00:56:42,302 --> 00:56:42,800
Parker's bill that's

2432
00:56:42,802 --> 00:56:43,768
going to go into

2433
00:56:43,770 --> 00:56:44,669
effect in July,

2434
00:56:44,671 --> 00:56:45,269
requiring these fees

2435
00:56:45,271 --> 00:56:46,404
to be stated upfront.

2436
00:56:46,406 --> 00:56:47,138
And I wouldn't want

2437
00:56:47,140 --> 00:56:48,673
it to be a situation

2438
00:56:48,675 --> 00:56:49,840
where we turn around

2439
00:56:49,842 --> 00:56:50,875
in the landlords are

2440
00:56:50,877 --> 00:56:51,409
saying something like,

2441
00:56:51,411 --> 00:56:52,410
well, those fees are

2442
00:56:52,412 --> 00:56:53,110
variable, so we don't

2443
00:56:53,112 --> 00:56:54,145
have to disclose them

2444
00:56:54,147 --> 00:56:55,146
or something like

2445
00:56:55,148 --> 00:56:55,947
that. You know,

2446
00:56:55,949 --> 00:56:56,914
there's no way for

2447
00:56:56,916 --> 00:56:57,915
tenants to figure out

2448
00:56:57,917 --> 00:56:58,950
what those fees are.

2449
00:56:58,952 --> 00:57:00,017
It would be very hard

2450
00:57:00,019 --> 00:57:01,052
for them to get into

2451
00:57:01,054 --> 00:57:02,086
court. I'm a broken

2452
00:57:02,088 --> 00:57:03,054
record on the fact

2453
00:57:03,056 --> 00:57:04,021
that, like when

2454
00:57:04,023 --> 00:57:04,855
landlords violate

2455
00:57:04,857 --> 00:57:05,856
some of these and

2456
00:57:05,858 --> 00:57:06,457
overcharge tenants,

2457
00:57:06,459 --> 00:57:07,525
there are very few

2458
00:57:07,527 --> 00:57:08,626
remedies for them to

2459
00:57:08,628 --> 00:57:09,994
get their money back.

2460
00:57:09,996 --> 00:57:12,163
And also just some of

2461
00:57:12,165 --> 00:57:13,264
this cost is just the

2462
00:57:13,266 --> 00:57:13,998
cost of doing

2463
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,466
business as a

2464
00:57:15,468 --> 00:57:16,100
landlord. I mean, for

2465
00:57:16,102 --> 00:57:18,603
tenants $50 already,

2466
00:57:18,605 --> 00:57:19,470
they, you know,

2467
00:57:19,472 --> 00:57:20,438
they're having to

2468
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,539
apply to sometimes

2469
00:57:21,541 --> 00:57:22,607
dozens of apartments.

2470
00:57:22,609 --> 00:57:23,708
And for low income

2471
00:57:23,710 --> 00:57:24,709
tenants, this is a

2472
00:57:24,711 --> 00:57:25,876
huge barrier. For

2473
00:57:25,878 --> 00:57:26,611
example, someone with

2474
00:57:26,613 --> 00:57:27,278
a section eight

2475
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,446
voucher has 60 days

2476
00:57:28,448 --> 00:57:29,447
to find a new

2477
00:57:29,449 --> 00:57:30,047
apartment. And if

2478
00:57:30,049 --> 00:57:31,015
they're having to

2479
00:57:31,017 --> 00:57:31,449
spend hundreds of

2480
00:57:31,451 --> 00:57:32,149
dollars on these

2481
00:57:32,151 --> 00:57:33,751
application fees, it

2482
00:57:33,753 --> 00:57:34,819
really starts to add

2483
00:57:34,821 --> 00:57:36,654
up.

2484
00:57:36,656 --> 00:57:37,722
>> Aaron.

2485
00:57:37,724 --> 00:57:38,823
>> Yeah. I just want

2486
00:57:38,825 --> 00:57:39,724
to clarify, this

2487
00:57:39,726 --> 00:57:40,258
should not be

2488
00:57:40,260 --> 00:57:41,659
variable. Our members

2489
00:57:41,661 --> 00:57:44,228
are taught

2490
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:44,662
unequivocally. You

2491
00:57:44,664 --> 00:57:45,630
should be reviewing

2492
00:57:45,632 --> 00:57:47,431
every application the

2493
00:57:47,433 --> 00:57:48,933
exact same way. That

2494
00:57:48,935 --> 00:57:49,967
would be a massive

2495
00:57:49,969 --> 00:57:51,435
fair housing

2496
00:57:51,437 --> 00:57:52,870
violation. And so

2497
00:57:52,872 --> 00:57:53,904
whatever the expense

2498
00:57:53,906 --> 00:57:55,373
is, is the expense.

2499
00:57:55,375 --> 00:57:56,274
It's not variable

2500
00:57:56,276 --> 00:57:57,174
based on what the

2501
00:57:57,176 --> 00:57:57,908
application looks

2502
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:59,277
like and based on the

2503
00:57:59,279 --> 00:58:00,278
rest of the code

2504
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,279
would have to be

2505
00:58:01,281 --> 00:58:01,746
disclosed up front.

2506
00:58:01,748 --> 00:58:02,513
So whether they

2507
00:58:02,515 --> 00:58:03,481
choose to do that or

2508
00:58:03,483 --> 00:58:05,283
not, you know, out of

2509
00:58:05,285 --> 00:58:06,284
pocket or $50, they

2510
00:58:06,286 --> 00:58:06,884
would have to

2511
00:58:06,886 --> 00:58:07,618
disclose it upfront

2512
00:58:07,620 --> 00:58:08,719
before an applicant

2513
00:58:08,721 --> 00:58:09,754
hit submit.

2514
00:58:09,756 --> 00:58:10,855
>> Right. Christy.

2515
00:58:10,857 --> 00:58:12,290
>> I just and I know

2516
00:58:12,292 --> 00:58:13,324
this is a new issue

2517
00:58:13,326 --> 00:58:14,158
and you all aren't

2518
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,092
going to be happy

2519
00:58:15,094 --> 00:58:16,894
with me, but I have

2520
00:58:16,896 --> 00:58:18,029
long thought that

2521
00:58:18,031 --> 00:58:19,130
charging people who

2522
00:58:19,132 --> 00:58:20,898
are using housing

2523
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:23,134
choice vouchers and

2524
00:58:23,136 --> 00:58:25,269
application fee of of

2525
00:58:25,271 --> 00:58:26,637
$32, then plus out of

2526
00:58:26,639 --> 00:58:28,806
pocket expenses makes

2527
00:58:28,808 --> 00:58:30,408
it very difficult, if

2528
00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:32,076
not impossible, for

2529
00:58:32,078 --> 00:58:35,313
them to apply to the

2530
00:58:35,315 --> 00:58:36,180
places that they want

2531
00:58:36,182 --> 00:58:38,182
to apply to. $32 has

2532
00:58:38,184 --> 00:58:40,017
always seemed pretty

2533
00:58:40,019 --> 00:58:41,118
high to me, in light

2534
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:42,853
of what their incomes

2535
00:58:42,855 --> 00:58:44,288
are relative to area

2536
00:58:44,290 --> 00:58:45,389
median income,

2537
00:58:45,391 --> 00:58:46,123
because we're talking

2538
00:58:46,125 --> 00:58:47,191
about folks who are,

2539
00:58:47,193 --> 00:58:48,326
I don't know,

2540
00:58:48,328 --> 00:58:51,529
Victoria, probably 40,

2541
00:58:51,531 --> 00:58:52,963
30% ami most of the

2542
00:58:52,965 --> 00:58:54,098
time. I don't know if

2543
00:58:54,100 --> 00:58:55,066
we can address that

2544
00:58:55,068 --> 00:58:56,133
now or if that's a,

2545
00:58:56,135 --> 00:58:57,101
you know, talk to

2546
00:58:57,103 --> 00:58:58,102
someone about another

2547
00:58:58,104 --> 00:58:59,103
bill in 2028. But I

2548
00:58:59,105 --> 00:59:00,271
just wanted to raise

2549
00:59:00,273 --> 00:59:01,272
it.

2550
00:59:01,274 --> 00:59:01,639
>> Yeah.

2551
00:59:01,641 --> 00:59:03,374
>> I got you on the

2552
00:59:03,376 --> 00:59:03,808
enforceability

2553
00:59:03,810 --> 00:59:04,575
question. I just, for

2554
00:59:04,577 --> 00:59:06,644
what it's worth. I'll

2555
00:59:06,646 --> 00:59:07,678
briefly tell us where

2556
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,746
I was at the Falls

2557
00:59:08,748 --> 00:59:09,647
Church Fall Festival,

2558
00:59:09,649 --> 00:59:10,614
and constituent

2559
00:59:10,616 --> 00:59:11,382
approached me and

2560
00:59:11,384 --> 00:59:11,816
said, when are you

2561
00:59:11,818 --> 00:59:12,750
guys going to do

2562
00:59:12,752 --> 00:59:13,851
something about the

2563
00:59:13,853 --> 00:59:15,686
these junk fees on

2564
00:59:15,688 --> 00:59:16,187
apartments? I'm like,

2565
00:59:16,189 --> 00:59:17,288
oh, that's timely.

2566
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:18,155
And they're like,

2567
00:59:18,157 --> 00:59:19,223
yeah, we, we, we have

2568
00:59:19,225 --> 00:59:20,257
to pay online through

2569
00:59:20,259 --> 00:59:21,225
their portal. And it

2570
00:59:21,227 --> 00:59:22,159
cost us $15

2571
00:59:22,161 --> 00:59:22,560
convenience fee.

2572
00:59:22,562 --> 00:59:23,327
Every time I'm like,

2573
00:59:23,329 --> 00:59:24,295
no, no, no, we

2574
00:59:24,297 --> 00:59:25,262
changed the law.

2575
00:59:25,264 --> 00:59:26,230
We're not allowed to

2576
00:59:26,232 --> 00:59:27,264
do that. They're like,

2577
00:59:27,266 --> 00:59:28,165
well, they're doing

2578
00:59:28,167 --> 00:59:29,166
it. What am I

2579
00:59:29,168 --> 00:59:30,167
supposed to do? I'm

2580
00:59:30,169 --> 00:59:31,168
like, I'll write them

2581
00:59:31,170 --> 00:59:31,602
a strongly worded

2582
00:59:31,604 --> 00:59:32,336
letter, but like,

2583
00:59:32,338 --> 00:59:33,337
you're not going to

2584
00:59:33,339 --> 00:59:34,438
go sue them over, you

2585
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:35,806
know, 15 bucks. So

2586
00:59:35,808 --> 00:59:37,241
anyhow, I, I feel you

2587
00:59:37,243 --> 00:59:38,242
on that. And it's a

2588
00:59:38,244 --> 00:59:39,310
real problem. A real

2589
00:59:39,312 --> 00:59:39,777
constituent actually

2590
00:59:39,779 --> 00:59:41,245
out of the blue, you

2591
00:59:41,247 --> 00:59:41,712
know, approached me

2592
00:59:41,714 --> 00:59:43,214
about it. So it's not

2593
00:59:43,216 --> 00:59:44,048
theoretical. Emily.

2594
00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:45,216
>> Yeah. For

2595
00:59:45,218 --> 00:59:46,250
clarification from my

2596
00:59:46,252 --> 00:59:47,051
understanding of the

2597
00:59:47,053 --> 00:59:47,685
realtor's

2598
00:59:47,687 --> 00:59:48,152
recommendations, it

2599
00:59:48,154 --> 00:59:50,187
said line 329, which

2600
00:59:50,189 --> 00:59:51,288
applies only to the

2601
00:59:51,290 --> 00:59:52,723
section stating $50.

2602
00:59:52,725 --> 00:59:54,892
It did not highlight

2603
00:59:54,894 --> 00:59:56,694
the $32, which is

2604
00:59:56,696 --> 00:59:57,395
related to those who

2605
00:59:57,397 --> 00:59:58,295
might be receiving

2606
00:59:58,297 --> 00:59:59,196
Housing Choice

2607
00:59:59,198 --> 01:00:00,197
vouchers. So from my

2608
01:00:00,199 --> 01:00:00,965
understanding of the

2609
01:00:00,967 --> 01:00:01,432
recommendation, it

2610
01:00:01,434 --> 01:00:03,501
was not to change

2611
01:00:03,503 --> 01:00:04,602
that second portion

2612
01:00:04,604 --> 01:00:05,436
of the section to

2613
01:00:05,438 --> 01:00:07,471
state that it's $32

2614
01:00:07,473 --> 01:00:08,572
exclusive actual of

2615
01:00:08,574 --> 01:00:10,040
actual out of pocket

2616
01:00:10,042 --> 01:00:10,908
costs. And Aaron, you

2617
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:11,642
can correct me, but

2618
01:00:11,644 --> 01:00:12,676
my understanding was

2619
01:00:12,678 --> 01:00:13,944
you only wanted to

2620
01:00:13,946 --> 01:00:15,079
change the first part

2621
01:00:15,081 --> 01:00:17,181
related to $50, which

2622
01:00:17,183 --> 01:00:17,915
doesn't fully address

2623
01:00:17,917 --> 01:00:19,016
Christi's concerns

2624
01:00:19,018 --> 01:00:20,084
because it's still

2625
01:00:20,086 --> 01:00:21,285
$32. But this part,

2626
01:00:21,287 --> 01:00:23,421
we're not saying $32

2627
01:00:23,423 --> 01:00:24,422
or the cost of

2628
01:00:24,424 --> 01:00:25,356
expenses. It would

2629
01:00:25,358 --> 01:00:26,424
still be a flat $32

2630
01:00:26,426 --> 01:00:29,794
for those individuals.

2631
01:00:29,796 --> 01:00:30,861
>> Okay. All right.

2632
01:00:30,863 --> 01:00:32,029
That's good. Sounds

2633
01:00:32,031 --> 01:00:34,432
good. All right.

2634
01:00:34,434 --> 01:00:45,976
>> Moving on up. And

2635
01:00:45,978 --> 01:00:46,777
Patrick, I will take

2636
01:00:46,779 --> 01:00:47,845
you up. I will let

2637
01:00:47,847 --> 01:00:48,946
you know where they

2638
01:00:48,948 --> 01:00:49,747
because they were

2639
01:00:49,749 --> 01:00:50,848
going to get in touch

2640
01:00:50,850 --> 01:00:51,882
with me for writing a

2641
01:00:51,884 --> 01:00:53,651
letter. So I told her

2642
01:00:53,653 --> 01:00:54,718
I'd look into it. So

2643
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:55,786
thank you for your

2644
01:00:55,788 --> 01:00:56,787
offer of help on that

2645
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:57,888
with that constituent.

2646
01:00:57,890 --> 01:00:58,756
All right. What else

2647
01:00:58,758 --> 01:00:59,690
do we have?

2648
01:00:59,692 --> 01:01:01,125
>> As far as.

2649
01:01:01,127 --> 01:01:04,128
>> Line 304.

2650
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:06,197
>> Or 3? I skipped

2651
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:06,897
310.

2652
01:01:06,899 --> 01:01:07,364
>> Yeah. We don't

2653
01:01:07,366 --> 01:01:09,400
want to skip 308 yep.

2654
01:01:09,402 --> 01:01:11,202
>> Sorry.

2655
01:01:11,204 --> 01:01:12,203
>> My concern with

2656
01:01:12,205 --> 01:01:12,970
this with the

2657
01:01:12,972 --> 01:01:14,071
application deposit

2658
01:01:14,073 --> 01:01:15,806
is it says if they

2659
01:01:15,808 --> 01:01:17,675
don't get the unit

2660
01:01:17,677 --> 01:01:18,943
that they reserved

2661
01:01:18,945 --> 01:01:19,477
with their

2662
01:01:19,479 --> 01:01:20,244
application deposit,

2663
01:01:20,246 --> 01:01:21,679
that the landlord

2664
01:01:21,681 --> 01:01:22,379
shall return the

2665
01:01:22,381 --> 01:01:23,247
application deposit.

2666
01:01:23,249 --> 01:01:24,215
I just wanted to take

2667
01:01:24,217 --> 01:01:25,316
into account that

2668
01:01:25,318 --> 01:01:26,717
there could be an

2669
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:27,384
option. There could

2670
01:01:27,386 --> 01:01:29,253
be a situation where

2671
01:01:29,255 --> 01:01:30,287
the landlord says,

2672
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:31,155
hey, I wasn't able to

2673
01:01:31,157 --> 01:01:34,258
keep your unit, but

2674
01:01:34,260 --> 01:01:35,359
this unit is

2675
01:01:35,361 --> 01:01:36,360
available if you want

2676
01:01:36,362 --> 01:01:37,361
this one. And then

2677
01:01:37,363 --> 01:01:38,362
the tenant says, okay.

2678
01:01:38,364 --> 01:01:39,363
And then that that

2679
01:01:39,365 --> 01:01:39,830
application deposit

2680
01:01:39,832 --> 01:01:41,465
could be under

2681
01:01:41,467 --> 01:01:42,199
current law, it would

2682
01:01:42,201 --> 01:01:43,100
be converted into a

2683
01:01:43,102 --> 01:01:44,068
security deposit. But

2684
01:01:44,070 --> 01:01:45,069
the way we've written

2685
01:01:45,071 --> 01:01:46,136
it, now, they have to

2686
01:01:46,138 --> 01:01:47,204
send it back and get

2687
01:01:47,206 --> 01:01:48,072
it back.

2688
01:01:48,074 --> 01:01:48,305
>> I.

2689
01:01:48,307 --> 01:01:50,074
>> I think as long as

2690
01:01:50,076 --> 01:01:51,141
there's the way it's

2691
01:01:51,143 --> 01:01:52,142
written and this, I

2692
01:01:52,144 --> 01:01:53,143
think is what you're

2693
01:01:53,145 --> 01:01:54,011
saying takes into

2694
01:01:54,013 --> 01:01:55,145
account that that the

2695
01:01:55,147 --> 01:01:56,580
tenant approves or

2696
01:01:56,582 --> 01:01:57,648
wants or, you know, I

2697
01:01:57,650 --> 01:01:58,349
think you're

2698
01:01:58,351 --> 01:01:59,083
absolutely right. If

2699
01:01:59,085 --> 01:02:00,518
there's, there's no

2700
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,020
reason to preclude

2701
01:02:03,022 --> 01:02:04,488
saying, hey, here's

2702
01:02:04,490 --> 01:02:05,523
another comparable

2703
01:02:05,525 --> 01:02:06,657
unit that we just

2704
01:02:06,659 --> 01:02:08,125
painted. Yeah, I

2705
01:02:08,127 --> 01:02:10,961
think that's fine.

2706
01:02:10,963 --> 01:02:11,662
>> Okay.

2707
01:02:11,664 --> 01:02:12,229
>> Everybody happy

2708
01:02:12,231 --> 01:02:13,230
with that. Thank you.

2709
01:02:13,232 --> 01:02:14,231
I think that's good.

2710
01:02:14,233 --> 01:02:15,266
I was going to have

2711
01:02:15,268 --> 01:02:16,267
to exchange checks,

2712
01:02:16,269 --> 01:02:17,201
which seems like it

2713
01:02:17,203 --> 01:02:17,535
would have.

2714
01:02:17,537 --> 01:02:18,469
>> Been silly. Silly.

2715
01:02:18,471 --> 01:02:19,270
Yeah.

2716
01:02:19,272 --> 01:02:20,271
>> All right. So

2717
01:02:20,273 --> 01:02:21,272
we're going to skip

2718
01:02:21,274 --> 01:02:22,339
that one. It was an

2719
01:02:22,341 --> 01:02:23,941
easy one 304.

2720
01:02:23,943 --> 01:02:26,443
>> That's an easy one.

2721
01:02:26,445 --> 01:02:27,511
>> Prospective tenant.

2722
01:02:27,513 --> 01:02:28,946
Everybody agree with

2723
01:02:28,948 --> 01:02:29,179
that.

2724
01:02:29,181 --> 01:02:31,849
>> That's fine.

2725
01:02:31,851 --> 01:02:32,550
>> Mr. Chair.

2726
01:02:32,552 --> 01:02:33,684
>> Really quick Emily.

2727
01:02:33,686 --> 01:02:34,919
>> Can we go back to

2728
01:02:34,921 --> 01:02:35,786
308.

2729
01:02:35,788 --> 01:02:37,254
>> No.

2730
01:02:37,256 --> 01:02:38,255
>> This will take

2731
01:02:38,257 --> 01:02:39,256
like one minute, I

2732
01:02:39,258 --> 01:02:40,090
think. So we're

2733
01:02:40,092 --> 01:02:40,824
comfortable with the

2734
01:02:40,826 --> 01:02:42,993
intent. I think what

2735
01:02:42,995 --> 01:02:44,795
I we're like, I think

2736
01:02:44,797 --> 01:02:46,063
we need to be more

2737
01:02:46,065 --> 01:02:46,463
clear that this

2738
01:02:46,465 --> 01:02:47,164
alternative unit

2739
01:02:47,166 --> 01:02:48,065
needs to be

2740
01:02:48,067 --> 01:02:48,532
comparable in terms

2741
01:02:48,534 --> 01:02:49,867
of square footage

2742
01:02:49,869 --> 01:02:50,601
price. Because I

2743
01:02:50,603 --> 01:02:51,302
think alternative

2744
01:02:51,304 --> 01:02:52,303
unit, I mean, I'm

2745
01:02:52,305 --> 01:02:52,803
just being really

2746
01:02:52,805 --> 01:02:54,572
nitpicky now, but.

2747
01:02:54,574 --> 01:02:54,972
>> That's right.

2748
01:02:54,974 --> 01:02:55,706
>> But it.

2749
01:02:55,708 --> 01:02:56,840
>> Has to agree. It's

2750
01:02:56,842 --> 01:02:57,841
up to the tenant.

2751
01:02:57,843 --> 01:02:59,577
>> Yeah. It's as much

2752
01:02:59,579 --> 01:02:59,977
the prospective

2753
01:02:59,979 --> 01:03:00,678
tenant agrees to an

2754
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:01,579
alternate unit.

2755
01:03:01,581 --> 01:03:02,580
>> Right. Okay. I

2756
01:03:02,582 --> 01:03:03,581
mean we can yeah

2757
01:03:03,583 --> 01:03:04,582
that's fine. I think

2758
01:03:04,584 --> 01:03:04,949
there was just

2759
01:03:04,951 --> 01:03:06,150
concerns that if.

2760
01:03:06,152 --> 01:03:07,084
>> You're getting

2761
01:03:07,086 --> 01:03:07,918
sold all the time or

2762
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:08,919
something like that.

2763
01:03:08,921 --> 01:03:09,286
>> I.

2764
01:03:09,288 --> 01:03:10,788
>> I agree with Emily

2765
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:11,455
actually, I just

2766
01:03:11,457 --> 01:03:12,189
thought we, I

2767
01:03:12,191 --> 01:03:12,890
actually wrote in my

2768
01:03:12,892 --> 01:03:13,924
notes something about

2769
01:03:13,926 --> 01:03:14,792
add option of

2770
01:03:14,794 --> 01:03:16,093
providing another

2771
01:03:16,095 --> 01:03:17,261
comparable unit. Is

2772
01:03:17,263 --> 01:03:18,329
there a problem with

2773
01:03:18,331 --> 01:03:19,196
adding the word

2774
01:03:19,198 --> 01:03:19,730
comparable? I think

2775
01:03:19,732 --> 01:03:20,431
that's what's going

2776
01:03:20,433 --> 01:03:21,332
to happen anyway.

2777
01:03:21,334 --> 01:03:22,399
>> I mean, I think my

2778
01:03:22,401 --> 01:03:24,168
concern is not like a

2779
01:03:24,170 --> 01:03:24,568
bait and switch,

2780
01:03:24,570 --> 01:03:25,436
right? My concern is

2781
01:03:25,438 --> 01:03:27,204
I wasn't able to get

2782
01:03:27,206 --> 01:03:28,172
you the unit you

2783
01:03:28,174 --> 01:03:29,306
wanted, but I do have

2784
01:03:29,308 --> 01:03:30,307
this unit right here.

2785
01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:31,308
I don't know if it's

2786
01:03:31,310 --> 01:03:32,176
comparable. Maybe

2787
01:03:32,178 --> 01:03:33,177
it's not. But the

2788
01:03:33,179 --> 01:03:34,845
tenant still says I'm

2789
01:03:34,847 --> 01:03:36,647
100% good. Switch my

2790
01:03:36,649 --> 01:03:37,114
application deposit

2791
01:03:37,116 --> 01:03:38,782
to a security deposit

2792
01:03:38,784 --> 01:03:39,883
rather than send it

2793
01:03:39,885 --> 01:03:40,751
back. Or the tenant

2794
01:03:40,753 --> 01:03:41,652
says, forget it. I

2795
01:03:41,654 --> 01:03:42,686
want my money back.

2796
01:03:42,688 --> 01:03:43,621
>> Yeah, no, I

2797
01:03:43,623 --> 01:03:44,054
totally understand

2798
01:03:44,056 --> 01:03:44,855
and appreciate your

2799
01:03:44,857 --> 01:03:45,990
intent. I am just

2800
01:03:45,992 --> 01:03:46,690
always thinking about

2801
01:03:46,692 --> 01:03:47,658
people who are not

2802
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:48,659
your members, who are

2803
01:03:48,661 --> 01:03:50,361
not Patrick's members,

2804
01:03:50,363 --> 01:03:52,863
and who see

2805
01:03:52,865 --> 01:03:53,564
opportunity to rip

2806
01:03:53,566 --> 01:03:55,366
our clients off in

2807
01:03:55,368 --> 01:03:55,799
everything. And

2808
01:03:55,801 --> 01:03:56,467
that's what we're

2809
01:03:56,469 --> 01:03:57,534
trying to prevent.

2810
01:03:57,536 --> 01:03:58,669
>> I think if we add

2811
01:03:58,671 --> 01:03:59,536
the word.

2812
01:03:59,538 --> 01:04:00,471
>> Tenant agrees

2813
01:04:00,473 --> 01:04:00,904
change that. Can't

2814
01:04:00,906 --> 01:04:01,805
the tenant still just

2815
01:04:01,807 --> 01:04:02,606
say, no.

2816
01:04:02,608 --> 01:04:04,008
>> It's there. It's a

2817
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:04,775
different situation

2818
01:04:04,777 --> 01:04:05,809
when maybe this is

2819
01:04:05,811 --> 01:04:06,977
the only place like

2820
01:04:06,979 --> 01:04:08,012
this is where you put

2821
01:04:08,014 --> 01:04:09,079
all your money. You

2822
01:04:09,081 --> 01:04:10,114
have no other money.

2823
01:04:10,116 --> 01:04:11,181
You can't really

2824
01:04:11,183 --> 01:04:12,650
afford to wait to get

2825
01:04:12,652 --> 01:04:13,717
that refundable

2826
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:14,818
application deposit

2827
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:16,286
back. I just, I think

2828
01:04:16,288 --> 01:04:18,055
it protects the

2829
01:04:18,057 --> 01:04:18,922
tenant and doesn't

2830
01:04:18,924 --> 01:04:19,857
really hurt the

2831
01:04:19,859 --> 01:04:20,924
landlord. To just

2832
01:04:20,926 --> 01:04:21,925
clarify that the unit

2833
01:04:21,927 --> 01:04:22,926
has to be comparable.

2834
01:04:22,928 --> 01:04:24,128
>> All right. And

2835
01:04:24,130 --> 01:04:25,095
then Patrick, whoever

2836
01:04:25,097 --> 01:04:26,664
heard from Bisma yet?

2837
01:04:26,666 --> 01:04:28,832
It's a new voice.

2838
01:04:28,834 --> 01:04:29,566
>> Christy, I

2839
01:04:29,568 --> 01:04:30,334
understand your point

2840
01:04:30,336 --> 01:04:31,702
about comparable. I

2841
01:04:31,704 --> 01:04:32,803
just think that, you

2842
01:04:32,805 --> 01:04:33,637
know what? If there

2843
01:04:33,639 --> 01:04:35,639
is no comparable unit,

2844
01:04:35,641 --> 01:04:38,275
do they you know, is

2845
01:04:38,277 --> 01:04:39,677
there no alternative

2846
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:40,744
unit, then, you know,

2847
01:04:40,746 --> 01:04:42,146
so it doesn't really

2848
01:04:42,148 --> 01:04:43,213
work out in the

2849
01:04:43,215 --> 01:04:44,682
tenant's favor either,

2850
01:04:44,684 --> 01:04:45,916
you know, and just

2851
01:04:45,918 --> 01:04:47,051
going back to Erin's

2852
01:04:47,053 --> 01:04:48,318
point, you know, the

2853
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,720
tenant does have the

2854
01:04:49,722 --> 01:04:51,522
option to accept or

2855
01:04:51,524 --> 01:04:52,523
deny, but this is

2856
01:04:52,525 --> 01:04:53,624
just another option

2857
01:04:53,626 --> 01:04:55,492
for them.

2858
01:04:55,494 --> 01:04:58,429
>> Victoria.

2859
01:04:58,431 --> 01:04:59,563
>> I think, I mean, I

2860
01:04:59,565 --> 01:05:00,531
think when we're

2861
01:05:00,533 --> 01:05:01,532
getting to the point

2862
01:05:01,534 --> 01:05:02,533
of though, that like,

2863
01:05:02,535 --> 01:05:03,567
you have to pay the

2864
01:05:03,569 --> 01:05:04,435
application deposit

2865
01:05:04,437 --> 01:05:05,536
to get like any unit

2866
01:05:05,538 --> 01:05:06,437
in the building,

2867
01:05:06,439 --> 01:05:07,504
we're kind of when we

2868
01:05:07,506 --> 01:05:07,905
initially talked

2869
01:05:07,907 --> 01:05:08,639
about application

2870
01:05:08,641 --> 01:05:09,473
deposits, it was a

2871
01:05:09,475 --> 01:05:09,907
circumstance where

2872
01:05:09,909 --> 01:05:10,974
you wanted some very

2873
01:05:10,976 --> 01:05:12,042
specific unit in a

2874
01:05:12,044 --> 01:05:12,876
building, and that

2875
01:05:12,878 --> 01:05:13,877
was the agreement

2876
01:05:13,879 --> 01:05:14,912
between the landlord

2877
01:05:14,914 --> 01:05:16,046
and the prospective

2878
01:05:16,048 --> 01:05:17,047
tenant. And I think

2879
01:05:17,049 --> 01:05:18,115
this is going back to

2880
01:05:18,117 --> 01:05:19,249
sort of a way for

2881
01:05:19,251 --> 01:05:20,150
landlords to just

2882
01:05:20,152 --> 01:05:21,051
charge an application

2883
01:05:21,053 --> 01:05:21,485
deposit to every

2884
01:05:21,487 --> 01:05:22,553
single tenant as like

2885
01:05:22,555 --> 01:05:23,320
an additional fee

2886
01:05:23,322 --> 01:05:24,188
that they're always

2887
01:05:24,190 --> 01:05:25,189
going to have to pay.

2888
01:05:25,191 --> 01:05:26,156
And that'll be my

2889
01:05:26,158 --> 01:05:27,224
concern with this.

2890
01:05:27,226 --> 01:05:28,292
>> My view is to go

2891
01:05:28,294 --> 01:05:29,293
ahead and throw in

2892
01:05:29,295 --> 01:05:30,360
the word comparable.

2893
01:05:30,362 --> 01:05:31,295
I don't I don't think

2894
01:05:31,297 --> 01:05:32,362
it's necessary, but I

2895
01:05:32,364 --> 01:05:33,263
don't think it's

2896
01:05:33,265 --> 01:05:34,231
harmful. I think it's

2897
01:05:34,233 --> 01:05:35,199
undefined. So I think

2898
01:05:35,201 --> 01:05:36,300
if it makes you guys

2899
01:05:36,302 --> 01:05:37,334
feel comfortable to

2900
01:05:37,336 --> 01:05:38,135
have the word

2901
01:05:38,137 --> 01:05:39,036
comparable in there

2902
01:05:39,038 --> 01:05:39,369
agrees to a

2903
01:05:39,371 --> 01:05:40,037
comparable

2904
01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:41,238
alternative unit. And

2905
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:43,373
then let's just let's

2906
01:05:43,375 --> 01:05:44,675
do that and move on.

2907
01:05:44,677 --> 01:05:45,676
Again, I don't think

2908
01:05:45,678 --> 01:05:47,745
it I, I don't know

2909
01:05:47,747 --> 01:05:48,612
that it helps tenants,

2910
01:05:48,614 --> 01:05:49,279
but because I think

2911
01:05:49,281 --> 01:05:50,981
it may make landlords

2912
01:05:50,983 --> 01:05:52,015
a little more

2913
01:05:52,017 --> 01:05:52,783
conservative about

2914
01:05:52,785 --> 01:05:53,517
offering that option.

2915
01:05:53,519 --> 01:05:54,284
But if you guys want

2916
01:05:54,286 --> 01:05:55,753
it, we'll put it in

2917
01:05:55,755 --> 01:05:58,188
All right. So that

2918
01:05:58,190 --> 01:05:59,256
was the one minute

2919
01:05:59,258 --> 01:06:00,124
discussion of 308

2920
01:06:00,126 --> 01:06:01,058
about seven minutes

2921
01:06:01,060 --> 01:06:03,160
ago.

2922
01:06:03,162 --> 01:06:04,328
>> It was a great one.

2923
01:06:04,330 --> 01:06:05,329
There was one minute

2924
01:06:05,331 --> 01:06:06,497
that we all seemed

2925
01:06:06,499 --> 01:06:08,932
and and just like.

2926
01:06:08,934 --> 01:06:09,933
>> Alright, so

2927
01:06:09,935 --> 01:06:10,434
prospective tenant,

2928
01:06:10,436 --> 01:06:12,836
we got on 304. That's

2929
01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:13,837
still that's still an

2930
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:15,105
easy one, right? Yeah.

2931
01:06:15,107 --> 01:06:17,875
300.

2932
01:06:17,877 --> 01:06:18,976
>> I'm fine. I think

2933
01:06:18,978 --> 01:06:20,077
we're fine with that.

2934
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:20,878
We understand that

2935
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:21,879
there's going to be

2936
01:06:21,881 --> 01:06:22,546
variance if this

2937
01:06:22,548 --> 01:06:23,347
language, if we need

2938
01:06:23,349 --> 01:06:24,248
to be more specific

2939
01:06:24,250 --> 01:06:25,182
about the language,

2940
01:06:25,184 --> 01:06:26,150
if people have issues

2941
01:06:26,152 --> 01:06:27,117
with the language.

2942
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:28,318
But I think in

2943
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,019
practice landlords

2944
01:06:29,021 --> 01:06:30,120
are already showing

2945
01:06:30,122 --> 01:06:31,221
kind of a scale right

2946
01:06:31,223 --> 01:06:32,289
now, just based on my

2947
01:06:32,291 --> 01:06:33,423
own rental search of

2948
01:06:33,425 --> 01:06:34,758
this is the kind of

2949
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:35,259
baseline, but it

2950
01:06:35,261 --> 01:06:36,126
might change

2951
01:06:36,128 --> 01:06:36,960
depending on your

2952
01:06:36,962 --> 01:06:38,829
application and in

2953
01:06:38,831 --> 01:06:39,830
the intent. We are

2954
01:06:39,832 --> 01:06:40,631
fine with the

2955
01:06:40,633 --> 01:06:41,565
intention of this

2956
01:06:41,567 --> 01:06:42,733
change.

2957
01:06:42,735 --> 01:06:43,734
>> Okay, let's leave

2958
01:06:43,736 --> 01:06:45,969
it alone then. All

2959
01:06:45,971 --> 01:06:48,872
right. 206 we have a

2960
01:06:48,874 --> 01:06:54,978
whole hundred line.

2961
01:06:54,980 --> 01:06:56,380
All right. Page eight.

2962
01:06:56,382 --> 01:06:57,548
Security deposit.

2963
01:06:57,550 --> 01:06:59,983
Okay.

2964
01:06:59,985 --> 01:07:01,051
>> This is this was

2965
01:07:01,053 --> 01:07:01,985
brought up. We

2966
01:07:01,987 --> 01:07:02,986
brought this up in

2967
01:07:02,988 --> 01:07:03,420
the last meeting.

2968
01:07:03,422 --> 01:07:04,254
Just the specificity

2969
01:07:04,256 --> 01:07:05,189
of the terminology

2970
01:07:05,191 --> 01:07:06,123
that like if we were

2971
01:07:06,125 --> 01:07:07,157
saying at the time,

2972
01:07:07,159 --> 01:07:08,192
and just like Aaron

2973
01:07:08,194 --> 01:07:09,193
has agita over like

2974
01:07:09,195 --> 01:07:11,128
the best, like if

2975
01:07:11,130 --> 01:07:13,664
it's this, then like

2976
01:07:13,666 --> 01:07:14,798
if this is what we're

2977
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,732
defining it as if

2978
01:07:15,734 --> 01:07:16,800
it's the day before,

2979
01:07:16,802 --> 01:07:17,801
day after, etc. like

2980
01:07:17,803 --> 01:07:18,769
it just, we don't

2981
01:07:18,771 --> 01:07:19,870
have to be specific.

2982
01:07:19,872 --> 01:07:20,804
Again, we're not held

2983
01:07:20,806 --> 01:07:21,805
up on the point.

2984
01:07:21,807 --> 01:07:22,673
That's what we're

2985
01:07:22,675 --> 01:07:23,173
offering alternatives

2986
01:07:23,175 --> 01:07:23,907
to it. It's just she

2987
01:07:23,909 --> 01:07:25,709
doesn't like the

2988
01:07:25,711 --> 01:07:28,779
specificity.

2989
01:07:28,781 --> 01:07:29,012
>> I.

2990
01:07:29,014 --> 01:07:30,013
>> You know, I think

2991
01:07:30,015 --> 01:07:30,981
that goes to the

2992
01:07:30,983 --> 01:07:32,015
heart of what we're

2993
01:07:32,017 --> 01:07:33,050
trying to do, though,

2994
01:07:33,052 --> 01:07:34,051
to make sure that

2995
01:07:34,053 --> 01:07:35,652
these are charged

2996
01:07:35,654 --> 01:07:37,087
only when there's an

2997
01:07:37,089 --> 01:07:38,188
actual legal

2998
01:07:38,190 --> 01:07:39,223
commitment to rent

2999
01:07:39,225 --> 01:07:41,792
that unit. So I do

3000
01:07:41,794 --> 01:07:42,392
have.

3001
01:07:42,394 --> 01:07:42,693
>> Right.

3002
01:07:42,695 --> 01:07:44,428
>> But I like it the

3003
01:07:44,430 --> 01:07:45,529
way it is, is what

3004
01:07:45,531 --> 01:07:45,863
I'm saying.

3005
01:07:45,865 --> 01:07:47,397
>> That's all like an

3006
01:07:47,399 --> 01:07:47,865
execution of rental

3007
01:07:47,867 --> 01:07:48,599
agreement is when the

3008
01:07:48,601 --> 01:07:49,666
tenant signs at that

3009
01:07:49,668 --> 01:07:50,667
point they're signing

3010
01:07:50,669 --> 01:07:51,568
the doc, right? So

3011
01:07:51,570 --> 01:07:52,603
but if, hey, are my

3012
01:07:52,605 --> 01:07:53,537
paychecks coming

3013
01:07:53,539 --> 01:07:54,504
tomorrow and I bring

3014
01:07:54,506 --> 01:07:55,405
the money tomorrow,

3015
01:07:55,407 --> 01:07:56,506
or if they give it to

3016
01:07:56,508 --> 01:07:57,674
us a day early, now

3017
01:07:57,676 --> 01:07:58,675
it's an application

3018
01:07:58,677 --> 01:07:58,876
fee.

3019
01:07:58,878 --> 01:07:59,676
>> Well, no, then

3020
01:07:59,678 --> 01:08:00,644
they can just sign

3021
01:08:00,646 --> 01:08:02,312
the lease a day

3022
01:08:02,314 --> 01:08:02,746
earlier or a day

3023
01:08:02,748 --> 01:08:06,283
later.

3024
01:08:06,285 --> 01:08:07,718
>> So execution is by

3025
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,354
the by the buyer

3026
01:08:10,356 --> 01:08:12,089
because sometimes,

3027
01:08:12,091 --> 01:08:12,422
right.

3028
01:08:12,424 --> 01:08:13,257
>> It would be when

3029
01:08:13,259 --> 01:08:14,324
the tenant signs it

3030
01:08:14,326 --> 01:08:14,591
to.

3031
01:08:14,593 --> 01:08:15,325
>> It's when the

3032
01:08:15,327 --> 01:08:16,393
tenant signs it.

3033
01:08:16,395 --> 01:08:17,361
>> So execution, when

3034
01:08:17,363 --> 01:08:19,596
the tenant signs it,

3035
01:08:19,598 --> 01:08:20,264
it's effective when

3036
01:08:20,266 --> 01:08:21,064
the buyer sign, when

3037
01:08:21,066 --> 01:08:22,499
the when the landlord

3038
01:08:22,501 --> 01:08:23,567
signs it right, it's

3039
01:08:23,569 --> 01:08:24,635
usually getting.

3040
01:08:24,637 --> 01:08:25,369
>> And that is the

3041
01:08:25,371 --> 01:08:27,170
only time based on

3042
01:08:27,172 --> 01:08:28,472
the terminology at

3043
01:08:28,474 --> 01:08:29,673
the execution rental

3044
01:08:29,675 --> 01:08:30,440
agreement is the only

3045
01:08:30,442 --> 01:08:31,475
time they can accept

3046
01:08:31,477 --> 01:08:32,342
the security deposit

3047
01:08:32,344 --> 01:08:33,343
is in that moment

3048
01:08:33,345 --> 01:08:33,977
when they're both

3049
01:08:33,979 --> 01:08:34,811
signing. Not a day

3050
01:08:34,813 --> 01:08:36,747
before, not a day

3051
01:08:36,749 --> 01:08:40,150
after.

3052
01:08:40,152 --> 01:08:41,285
>> As opposed to, in

3053
01:08:41,287 --> 01:08:42,152
accordance with and

3054
01:08:42,154 --> 01:08:42,986
to secure the

3055
01:08:42,988 --> 01:08:44,087
performances in the

3056
01:08:44,089 --> 01:08:46,657
terms. All right.

3057
01:08:46,659 --> 01:08:48,792
Emily.

3058
01:08:48,794 --> 01:08:49,893
>> So I would just

3059
01:08:49,895 --> 01:08:50,861
like to state, the

3060
01:08:50,863 --> 01:08:51,795
reason we actually

3061
01:08:51,797 --> 01:08:52,896
put this in was after

3062
01:08:52,898 --> 01:08:53,797
the first meeting,

3063
01:08:53,799 --> 01:08:54,531
because Aaron had

3064
01:08:54,533 --> 01:08:55,265
raised concerns that

3065
01:08:55,267 --> 01:08:55,966
without the

3066
01:08:55,968 --> 01:08:57,434
application deposit,

3067
01:08:57,436 --> 01:08:57,935
landlords would have

3068
01:08:57,937 --> 01:09:00,003
to go to court in

3069
01:09:00,005 --> 01:09:01,004
order to recoup

3070
01:09:01,006 --> 01:09:02,472
damages. If somebody

3071
01:09:02,474 --> 01:09:03,540
backs out of a lease

3072
01:09:03,542 --> 01:09:04,241
agreement before they

3073
01:09:04,243 --> 01:09:06,109
move in, or if you

3074
01:09:06,111 --> 01:09:06,843
know they're holding

3075
01:09:06,845 --> 01:09:08,312
this, this house for

3076
01:09:08,314 --> 01:09:09,012
months on end, and

3077
01:09:09,014 --> 01:09:10,047
then they back out.

3078
01:09:10,049 --> 01:09:11,615
So we put this in in

3079
01:09:11,617 --> 01:09:12,649
order to clarify that

3080
01:09:12,651 --> 01:09:14,318
landlords can have

3081
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,319
tenants sign a lease

3082
01:09:15,321 --> 01:09:16,486
months in advance and

3083
01:09:16,488 --> 01:09:17,220
can take that

3084
01:09:17,222 --> 01:09:18,155
security deposit at

3085
01:09:18,157 --> 01:09:19,089
the time of lease

3086
01:09:19,091 --> 01:09:20,090
signing so that they

3087
01:09:20,092 --> 01:09:21,158
can use it to recoup

3088
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,159
those damages if

3089
01:09:22,161 --> 01:09:23,060
somebody backs out.

3090
01:09:23,062 --> 01:09:24,061
That was why we put

3091
01:09:24,063 --> 01:09:25,062
this language in the

3092
01:09:25,064 --> 01:09:26,096
definition to clarify

3093
01:09:26,098 --> 01:09:26,997
that that is an

3094
01:09:26,999 --> 01:09:29,032
option. There's

3095
01:09:29,034 --> 01:09:29,800
already other

3096
01:09:29,802 --> 01:09:30,801
language in the bill

3097
01:09:30,803 --> 01:09:31,568
stating that the

3098
01:09:31,570 --> 01:09:33,070
security deposit, the

3099
01:09:33,072 --> 01:09:34,104
security deposit is

3100
01:09:34,106 --> 01:09:35,205
taken at least

3101
01:09:35,207 --> 01:09:35,672
execution. So if we

3102
01:09:35,674 --> 01:09:36,606
want to take it out

3103
01:09:36,608 --> 01:09:38,108
of the definition,

3104
01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:39,142
I'm okay with it. It

3105
01:09:39,144 --> 01:09:39,910
doesn't actually

3106
01:09:39,912 --> 01:09:41,678
change the kind of

3107
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,080
timeline of when fees

3108
01:09:43,082 --> 01:09:43,847
are taken, when

3109
01:09:43,849 --> 01:09:44,915
security deposits are

3110
01:09:44,917 --> 01:09:46,750
taken. Our intention

3111
01:09:46,752 --> 01:09:48,585
was just to clarify,

3112
01:09:48,587 --> 01:09:49,920
you can take the

3113
01:09:49,922 --> 01:09:50,721
security deposit at

3114
01:09:50,723 --> 01:09:52,556
lease lease execution,

3115
01:09:52,558 --> 01:09:53,256
because our

3116
01:09:53,258 --> 01:09:53,724
overarching intent

3117
01:09:53,726 --> 01:09:55,058
with this bill was to

3118
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:55,559
clarify which fees

3119
01:09:55,561 --> 01:09:56,526
and deposits you can

3120
01:09:56,528 --> 01:09:57,861
take and at which

3121
01:09:57,863 --> 01:09:58,762
times we can take it

3122
01:09:58,764 --> 01:10:00,063
out of the definition.

3123
01:10:00,065 --> 01:10:00,731
And that's totally

3124
01:10:00,733 --> 01:10:02,232
fine with us because

3125
01:10:02,234 --> 01:10:03,233
we have that language

3126
01:10:03,235 --> 01:10:04,434
later on. Clarifying

3127
01:10:04,436 --> 01:10:05,068
what fees and

3128
01:10:05,070 --> 01:10:05,969
deposits can be taken,

3129
01:10:05,971 --> 01:10:07,037
at least execution.

3130
01:10:07,039 --> 01:10:07,904
But that was the

3131
01:10:07,906 --> 01:10:09,039
reason we put it in,

3132
01:10:09,041 --> 01:10:10,540
was to address those

3133
01:10:10,542 --> 01:10:11,942
concerns about

3134
01:10:11,944 --> 01:10:12,676
students. The college

3135
01:10:12,678 --> 01:10:13,410
students. Was the

3136
01:10:13,412 --> 01:10:14,611
example raised, right?

3137
01:10:14,613 --> 01:10:15,345
Who may want to hold

3138
01:10:15,347 --> 01:10:17,114
a unit for months on

3139
01:10:17,116 --> 01:10:18,115
advance so we can

3140
01:10:18,117 --> 01:10:19,216
take it out. It keeps

3141
01:10:19,218 --> 01:10:20,183
them in it. We

3142
01:10:20,185 --> 01:10:21,118
maintain the intent

3143
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,185
later in the bill. So.

3144
01:10:22,187 --> 01:10:22,786
Okay.

3145
01:10:22,788 --> 01:10:23,820
>> So, Mr. Chair,

3146
01:10:23,822 --> 01:10:25,222
that. Sorry, Mr.

3147
01:10:25,224 --> 01:10:26,723
Chair, the I know the

3148
01:10:26,725 --> 01:10:27,824
ones underlined, but

3149
01:10:27,826 --> 01:10:28,892
Aaron has that as an

3150
01:10:28,894 --> 01:10:29,359
alternative. There's

3151
01:10:29,361 --> 01:10:30,327
a definition above it.

3152
01:10:30,329 --> 01:10:30,961
Security deposit

3153
01:10:30,963 --> 01:10:31,828
means any refundable

3154
01:10:31,830 --> 01:10:33,030
deposit of money

3155
01:10:33,032 --> 01:10:33,964
that's furnished to a

3156
01:10:33,966 --> 01:10:34,998
tenant, etc. like, I

3157
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,433
mean, I think that's

3158
01:10:36,435 --> 01:10:38,268
Aaron's preferred

3159
01:10:38,270 --> 01:10:39,269
route. And again, if

3160
01:10:39,271 --> 01:10:40,771
we take that out, I

3161
01:10:40,773 --> 01:10:42,939
think.

3162
01:10:42,941 --> 01:10:43,940
>> Taking it out

3163
01:10:43,942 --> 01:10:44,374
altogether without

3164
01:10:44,376 --> 01:10:45,142
putting in accordance

3165
01:10:45,144 --> 01:10:45,509
with.

3166
01:10:45,511 --> 01:10:47,277
>> And yeah. See the.

3167
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:48,712
Yeah. Yeah. What.

3168
01:10:48,714 --> 01:10:49,780
Yeah. What was just

3169
01:10:49,782 --> 01:10:50,380
highlighted like that

3170
01:10:50,382 --> 01:10:51,381
one. Like I think

3171
01:10:51,383 --> 01:10:51,915
that's Aaron's

3172
01:10:51,917 --> 01:10:52,749
preferred because,

3173
01:10:52,751 --> 01:10:54,484
but again, if y'all

3174
01:10:54,486 --> 01:10:55,452
are good with in

3175
01:10:55,454 --> 01:10:56,253
accordance to we're

3176
01:10:56,255 --> 01:10:57,287
not going to get held

3177
01:10:57,289 --> 01:10:58,722
up on that.

3178
01:10:58,724 --> 01:11:00,190
>> Okay. All right.

3179
01:11:00,192 --> 01:11:01,291
>> Cool.

3180
01:11:01,293 --> 01:11:02,392
>> Emily. I will take

3181
01:11:02,394 --> 01:11:03,794
Emily's yes for as a

3182
01:11:03,796 --> 01:11:04,161
yes.

3183
01:11:04,163 --> 01:11:05,295
>> Yeah, we can take

3184
01:11:05,297 --> 01:11:06,296
it out. We still

3185
01:11:06,298 --> 01:11:06,763
maintain the intent

3186
01:11:06,765 --> 01:11:07,531
of this language

3187
01:11:07,533 --> 01:11:08,498
later in the bill by

3188
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:09,499
taking it out. So

3189
01:11:09,501 --> 01:11:10,567
we're fine with that,

3190
01:11:10,569 --> 01:11:11,301
Emily.

3191
01:11:11,303 --> 01:11:12,402
>> And say one more

3192
01:11:12,404 --> 01:11:13,303
minute, it'd be

3193
01:11:13,305 --> 01:11:14,304
really quick. Say one

3194
01:11:14,306 --> 01:11:15,305
more minute and this

3195
01:11:15,307 --> 01:11:16,306
will be really quick

3196
01:11:16,308 --> 01:11:17,307
and we'll see what

3197
01:11:17,309 --> 01:11:17,574
happens.

3198
01:11:17,576 --> 01:11:18,308
>> All right.

3199
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:19,376
>> And so that was

3200
01:11:19,378 --> 01:11:20,477
that was it from the

3201
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:21,311
realtors. Anybody

3202
01:11:21,313 --> 01:11:24,681
else have any issues

3203
01:11:24,683 --> 01:11:27,551
again. So I think the

3204
01:11:27,553 --> 01:11:28,718
Jessica's been taking

3205
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:29,686
notes on the non

3206
01:11:29,688 --> 01:11:30,187
consensus items which

3207
01:11:30,189 --> 01:11:30,921
I'll just flag for

3208
01:11:30,923 --> 01:11:33,023
the commission. And

3209
01:11:33,025 --> 01:11:34,024
there's a little bit

3210
01:11:34,026 --> 01:11:35,058
of drafting I guess

3211
01:11:35,060 --> 01:11:36,126
left to be done. But

3212
01:11:36,128 --> 01:11:37,227
I think we're pretty

3213
01:11:37,229 --> 01:11:38,328
much there. All right.

3214
01:11:38,330 --> 01:11:39,129
I'm going to close

3215
01:11:39,131 --> 01:11:40,497
the turn the page on

3216
01:11:40,499 --> 01:11:41,565
this particular

3217
01:11:41,567 --> 01:11:42,299
section. We're going

3218
01:11:42,301 --> 01:11:43,333
to get this to the

3219
01:11:43,335 --> 01:11:45,235
full commission.

3220
01:11:45,237 --> 01:11:47,404
Hopefully we'll have

3221
01:11:47,406 --> 01:11:48,405
we'll be pretty close

3222
01:11:48,407 --> 01:11:49,406
to a full consensus.

3223
01:11:49,408 --> 01:11:50,507
We can let the full,

3224
01:11:50,509 --> 01:11:52,442
the full group either

3225
01:11:52,444 --> 01:11:53,176
decide to decide or

3226
01:11:53,178 --> 01:11:54,544
not to decide on some

3227
01:11:54,546 --> 01:11:55,912
of the. The areas of

3228
01:11:55,914 --> 01:11:57,848
friction. All right.

3229
01:11:57,850 --> 01:11:58,849
That brings us back

3230
01:11:58,851 --> 01:12:02,452
to HB 1409.

3231
01:12:02,454 --> 01:12:04,254
>> Mr. Chair.

3232
01:12:04,256 --> 01:12:05,088
>> Yes, Emily.

3233
01:12:05,090 --> 01:12:06,389
>> I believe that we

3234
01:12:06,391 --> 01:12:08,191
had one more thing to

3235
01:12:08,193 --> 01:12:08,992
discuss that we

3236
01:12:08,994 --> 01:12:10,093
didn't touch on

3237
01:12:10,095 --> 01:12:11,161
because we were

3238
01:12:11,163 --> 01:12:11,528
discussing the

3239
01:12:11,530 --> 01:12:12,229
realtors concerns,

3240
01:12:12,231 --> 01:12:13,697
but okay, we just had

3241
01:12:13,699 --> 01:12:14,664
I believe the last

3242
01:12:14,666 --> 01:12:15,532
thing to discuss was

3243
01:12:15,534 --> 01:12:16,867
the proposed language

3244
01:12:16,869 --> 01:12:17,667
as related to the

3245
01:12:17,669 --> 01:12:19,503
damage addendum. And

3246
01:12:19,505 --> 01:12:20,504
I think Jessica sent

3247
01:12:20,506 --> 01:12:23,006
that out both in

3248
01:12:23,008 --> 01:12:24,174
August and then

3249
01:12:24,176 --> 01:12:25,208
yesterday as well.

3250
01:12:25,210 --> 01:12:27,711
The proposed language

3251
01:12:27,713 --> 01:12:28,845
related to that

3252
01:12:28,847 --> 01:12:30,313
section.

3253
01:12:30,315 --> 01:12:33,183
>> So 55.11208 I see

3254
01:12:33,185 --> 01:12:34,217
something there.

3255
01:12:34,219 --> 01:12:34,518
>> Yep.

3256
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:35,585
>> But what lines is

3257
01:12:35,587 --> 01:12:36,653
that in the bill we

3258
01:12:36,655 --> 01:12:37,654
have bill number

3259
01:12:37,656 --> 01:12:38,622
lines or is that.

3260
01:12:38,624 --> 01:12:39,923
>> Let me see. I can

3261
01:12:39,925 --> 01:12:41,525
try to pull up the

3262
01:12:41,527 --> 01:12:44,261
lines.

3263
01:12:44,263 --> 01:12:45,262
>> I can probably

3264
01:12:45,264 --> 01:12:46,329
find it too. If I'm

3265
01:12:46,331 --> 01:12:50,000
going at 12081204.

3266
01:12:50,002 --> 01:12:53,303
All right. Go ahead.

3267
01:12:53,305 --> 01:12:54,371
>> I can present the

3268
01:12:54,373 --> 01:12:55,338
language. Or if I

3269
01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:56,840
didn't know Jessica

3270
01:12:56,842 --> 01:13:00,110
wanted to do that. I

3271
01:13:00,112 --> 01:13:01,077
can present the

3272
01:13:01,079 --> 01:13:02,579
language. So after

3273
01:13:02,581 --> 01:13:03,747
the previous meeting,

3274
01:13:03,749 --> 01:13:05,815
spoke to Patrick and

3275
01:13:05,817 --> 01:13:06,883
we drafted some

3276
01:13:06,885 --> 01:13:07,884
language, a couple of

3277
01:13:07,886 --> 01:13:08,752
different language

3278
01:13:08,754 --> 01:13:10,487
options, which does

3279
01:13:10,489 --> 01:13:12,622
not flat out prohibit

3280
01:13:12,624 --> 01:13:13,790
the usage of damage

3281
01:13:13,792 --> 01:13:14,457
addendums. We

3282
01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:15,559
understand that some

3283
01:13:15,561 --> 01:13:16,426
landlords provide

3284
01:13:16,428 --> 01:13:17,427
these as a way to

3285
01:13:17,429 --> 01:13:18,395
give tenants an idea

3286
01:13:18,397 --> 01:13:19,529
of what charges they

3287
01:13:19,531 --> 01:13:20,430
may incur, should

3288
01:13:20,432 --> 01:13:21,298
they cause physical

3289
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:22,866
damages. Rather, we

3290
01:13:22,868 --> 01:13:23,833
put in this language

3291
01:13:23,835 --> 01:13:24,568
essentially

3292
01:13:24,570 --> 01:13:25,068
prohibiting that kind

3293
01:13:25,070 --> 01:13:26,136
of language that was

3294
01:13:26,138 --> 01:13:27,103
in the damage

3295
01:13:27,105 --> 01:13:27,604
addendum saying,

3296
01:13:27,606 --> 01:13:28,538
you're going to

3297
01:13:28,540 --> 01:13:30,373
charge, you're going

3298
01:13:30,375 --> 01:13:31,775
to pay either what is

3299
01:13:31,777 --> 01:13:32,676
in this damage

3300
01:13:32,678 --> 01:13:33,710
addendum or the cost

3301
01:13:33,712 --> 01:13:34,644
of materials,

3302
01:13:34,646 --> 01:13:35,712
whatever is greater.

3303
01:13:35,714 --> 01:13:36,980
So that is the intent

3304
01:13:36,982 --> 01:13:37,881
with this language.

3305
01:13:37,883 --> 01:13:38,982
This would ultimately

3306
01:13:38,984 --> 01:13:40,417
fall, I believe,

3307
01:13:40,419 --> 01:13:41,885
probably around line

3308
01:13:41,887 --> 01:13:42,886
570, which is right

3309
01:13:42,888 --> 01:13:44,054
after that move out

3310
01:13:44,056 --> 01:13:48,258
fee language. So the

3311
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,427
two options presented.

3312
01:13:50,429 --> 01:13:51,228
>> In addition to

3313
01:13:51,230 --> 01:13:53,997
what's the current

3314
01:13:53,999 --> 01:13:55,899
number eight, we

3315
01:13:55,901 --> 01:13:56,633
would add a new

3316
01:13:56,635 --> 01:13:58,034
number nine.

3317
01:13:58,036 --> 01:13:58,301
>> Yes.

3318
01:13:58,303 --> 01:13:59,169
>> Because this is

3319
01:13:59,171 --> 01:14:00,170
that's that's all I

3320
01:14:00,172 --> 01:14:01,304
was trying. This is

3321
01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:02,138
new language. It's

3322
01:14:02,140 --> 01:14:03,039
not amending anything

3323
01:14:03,041 --> 01:14:03,540
that's already there.

3324
01:14:03,542 --> 01:14:04,241
This is a new

3325
01:14:04,243 --> 01:14:05,642
prohibited practice,

3326
01:14:05,644 --> 01:14:05,976
essentially.

3327
01:14:05,978 --> 01:14:08,845
>> Yes. Yeah. So

3328
01:14:08,847 --> 01:14:09,613
these are the two

3329
01:14:09,615 --> 01:14:10,714
options. I don't know

3330
01:14:10,716 --> 01:14:11,781
if members of this

3331
01:14:11,783 --> 01:14:12,549
workgroup had an

3332
01:14:12,551 --> 01:14:13,583
opportunity to review

3333
01:14:13,585 --> 01:14:15,352
those, but the

3334
01:14:15,354 --> 01:14:16,152
intention here is

3335
01:14:16,154 --> 01:14:17,921
just to essentially

3336
01:14:17,923 --> 01:14:18,622
restating what is

3337
01:14:18,624 --> 01:14:19,489
already in the bill.

3338
01:14:19,491 --> 01:14:20,490
And that was what

3339
01:14:20,492 --> 01:14:21,524
already was consensus,

3340
01:14:21,526 --> 01:14:23,627
which is your only

3341
01:14:23,629 --> 01:14:24,294
deducting what is

3342
01:14:24,296 --> 01:14:25,428
necessary to actually

3343
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:26,896
make those repairs.

3344
01:14:26,898 --> 01:14:27,597
So this is

3345
01:14:27,599 --> 01:14:28,331
essentially just

3346
01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:29,733
restating that to

3347
01:14:29,735 --> 01:14:30,934
ensure that these

3348
01:14:30,936 --> 01:14:31,901
damage addendums are

3349
01:14:31,903 --> 01:14:33,470
not charging outside

3350
01:14:33,472 --> 01:14:36,206
of what is necessary.

3351
01:14:36,208 --> 01:14:38,575
>> I think option two

3352
01:14:38,577 --> 01:14:42,746
works.

3353
01:14:42,748 --> 01:14:43,747
>> Anybody have any

3354
01:14:43,749 --> 01:14:44,247
objections to number

3355
01:14:44,249 --> 01:14:47,417
two?

3356
01:14:47,419 --> 01:14:48,518
>> Aaron had to step

3357
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:49,619
out for a meeting. We

3358
01:14:49,621 --> 01:14:50,587
didn't get a chance

3359
01:14:50,589 --> 01:14:51,621
to talk about this

3360
01:14:51,623 --> 01:14:52,522
damage on this

3361
01:14:52,524 --> 01:14:53,490
section. I know we

3362
01:14:53,492 --> 01:14:55,325
had a little bit of

3363
01:14:55,327 --> 01:14:56,059
concern when I was

3364
01:14:56,061 --> 01:14:57,160
presented at the last

3365
01:14:57,162 --> 01:14:58,628
meeting. So I don't

3366
01:14:58,630 --> 01:14:59,296
know that we're not

3367
01:14:59,298 --> 01:15:00,263
good with option two,

3368
01:15:00,265 --> 01:15:01,064
but she didn't tell

3369
01:15:01,066 --> 01:15:02,132
me explicitly we are

3370
01:15:02,134 --> 01:15:03,733
okay with it. So I

3371
01:15:03,735 --> 01:15:04,801
just kind of have to

3372
01:15:04,803 --> 01:15:05,835
reserve back on that.

3373
01:15:05,837 --> 01:15:06,836
>> Option two seems

3374
01:15:06,838 --> 01:15:07,904
to include a little

3375
01:15:07,906 --> 01:15:08,805
more stuff that you

3376
01:15:08,807 --> 01:15:11,474
can do. So yeah, and

3377
01:15:11,476 --> 01:15:12,575
this is those that

3378
01:15:12,577 --> 01:15:13,443
say, and I've seen

3379
01:15:13,445 --> 01:15:14,477
this in some leases

3380
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:15,545
that say, if the

3381
01:15:15,547 --> 01:15:16,413
carpet's too dirty,

3382
01:15:16,415 --> 01:15:17,347
you're going to pay

3383
01:15:17,349 --> 01:15:18,415
500 bucks for carpet

3384
01:15:18,417 --> 01:15:19,282
cleaning, like when

3385
01:15:19,284 --> 01:15:20,984
you sign the lease.

3386
01:15:20,986 --> 01:15:21,985
And if we determine

3387
01:15:21,987 --> 01:15:22,686
that there's floor,

3388
01:15:22,688 --> 01:15:25,221
you know, filling

3389
01:15:25,223 --> 01:15:26,222
picture holes on the

3390
01:15:26,224 --> 01:15:27,324
wall will be $25 per

3391
01:15:27,326 --> 01:15:28,224
picture hole or

3392
01:15:28,226 --> 01:15:28,692
something like that.

3393
01:15:28,694 --> 01:15:29,559
Right. You guys are

3394
01:15:29,561 --> 01:15:30,460
saying you can't do

3395
01:15:30,462 --> 01:15:31,594
that anymore.

3396
01:15:31,596 --> 01:15:32,495
>> Yes. We're saying

3397
01:15:32,497 --> 01:15:33,496
that you can provide

3398
01:15:33,498 --> 01:15:34,431
an estimate, but you

3399
01:15:34,433 --> 01:15:35,999
can't charge a fee

3400
01:15:36,001 --> 01:15:36,833
that is not matched

3401
01:15:36,835 --> 01:15:37,834
the cost of making

3402
01:15:37,836 --> 01:15:39,636
those repairs.

3403
01:15:39,638 --> 01:15:41,104
>> Gotcha. So

3404
01:15:41,106 --> 01:15:42,138
estimated but not I.

3405
01:15:42,140 --> 01:15:43,206
Gotcha. All right.

3406
01:15:43,208 --> 01:15:44,607
>> That's good.

3407
01:15:44,609 --> 01:15:48,712
>> Okay. All right.

3408
01:15:48,714 --> 01:15:49,446
Now I think we're

3409
01:15:49,448 --> 01:15:50,313
going to turn away

3410
01:15:50,315 --> 01:15:51,948
from this bill. I'm

3411
01:15:51,950 --> 01:15:52,449
looking for hands. I

3412
01:15:52,451 --> 01:15:53,450
don't see any. Hands

3413
01:15:53,452 --> 01:15:55,652
up. Alright. We got

3414
01:15:55,654 --> 01:15:56,753
about 20 minutes left

3415
01:15:56,755 --> 01:15:58,355
or so. I don't know

3416
01:15:58,357 --> 01:15:59,422
how much time you all

3417
01:15:59,424 --> 01:16:00,357
budgeted for this

3418
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:01,358
meeting. Some of you

3419
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:02,359
only are gone, so

3420
01:16:02,361 --> 01:16:03,460
some of you only did

3421
01:16:03,462 --> 01:16:05,061
an hour. The HB 1409.

3422
01:16:05,063 --> 01:16:05,995
Where, where did we

3423
01:16:05,997 --> 01:16:06,863
leave that? Is there

3424
01:16:06,865 --> 01:16:07,764
any chance of getting

3425
01:16:07,766 --> 01:16:08,798
to a consensus on

3426
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:10,266
this bill?

3427
01:16:10,268 --> 01:16:11,000
>> Can I.

3428
01:16:11,002 --> 01:16:11,668
>> Go, Jessica?

3429
01:16:11,670 --> 01:16:13,503
>> Go ahead, go ahead.

3430
01:16:13,505 --> 01:16:13,937
>> Sorry.

3431
01:16:13,939 --> 01:16:15,004
>> We did not leave

3432
01:16:15,006 --> 01:16:17,040
really in any sort of

3433
01:16:17,042 --> 01:16:17,674
position in the last

3434
01:16:17,676 --> 01:16:18,708
couple of meetings. I

3435
01:16:18,710 --> 01:16:19,609
think that we're

3436
01:16:19,611 --> 01:16:20,643
still very far apart.

3437
01:16:20,645 --> 01:16:21,578
So staff didn't have

3438
01:16:21,580 --> 01:16:22,679
much to go on as far

3439
01:16:22,681 --> 01:16:24,381
as direction for this

3440
01:16:24,383 --> 01:16:26,182
one. So yeah, just to

3441
01:16:26,184 --> 01:16:27,217
set the conversation

3442
01:16:27,219 --> 01:16:28,418
there.

3443
01:16:28,420 --> 01:16:29,519
>> Christy, if I may,

3444
01:16:29,521 --> 01:16:30,553
the one thing that I

3445
01:16:30,555 --> 01:16:32,622
took away from our

3446
01:16:32,624 --> 01:16:33,523
last discussion of

3447
01:16:33,525 --> 01:16:34,491
this that Christy

3448
01:16:34,493 --> 01:16:36,826
Kelly put out there

3449
01:16:36,828 --> 01:16:37,527
that I thought was

3450
01:16:37,529 --> 01:16:38,528
really helpful, was

3451
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:39,362
the distinction

3452
01:16:39,364 --> 01:16:41,531
between those

3453
01:16:41,533 --> 01:16:42,632
services and extra

3454
01:16:42,634 --> 01:16:44,067
fees a tenant would

3455
01:16:44,069 --> 01:16:45,502
opt into, because

3456
01:16:45,504 --> 01:16:47,537
they are not included

3457
01:16:47,539 --> 01:16:48,738
in the landlord's

3458
01:16:48,740 --> 01:16:50,106
general obligation to

3459
01:16:50,108 --> 01:16:51,474
maintain the unit in

3460
01:16:51,476 --> 01:16:52,876
a habitable condition

3461
01:16:52,878 --> 01:16:55,345
versus those that are

3462
01:16:55,347 --> 01:16:57,180
included in that

3463
01:16:57,182 --> 01:16:58,548
definition, which the

3464
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:59,616
tenant could not be

3465
01:16:59,618 --> 01:17:01,284
charged extra for,

3466
01:17:01,286 --> 01:17:03,820
which are mandatory

3467
01:17:03,822 --> 01:17:04,354
already under the law.

3468
01:17:04,356 --> 01:17:05,321
I don't know if we

3469
01:17:05,323 --> 01:17:07,190
can there, but I

3470
01:17:07,192 --> 01:17:08,224
think that

3471
01:17:08,226 --> 01:17:08,625
distinction was

3472
01:17:08,627 --> 01:17:10,427
really helpful.

3473
01:17:10,429 --> 01:17:11,494
>> Right. I think we

3474
01:17:11,496 --> 01:17:12,829
also probably agreed

3475
01:17:12,831 --> 01:17:14,998
that ten was this

3476
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,698
little moment of ten

3477
01:17:15,700 --> 01:17:16,499
was the one that

3478
01:17:16,501 --> 01:17:17,434
required some more

3479
01:17:17,436 --> 01:17:18,468
input from some other

3480
01:17:18,470 --> 01:17:19,469
stakeholders. All

3481
01:17:19,471 --> 01:17:20,470
right. Well, I don't

3482
01:17:20,472 --> 01:17:21,471
think we're going to

3483
01:17:21,473 --> 01:17:22,472
get there today. I'm

3484
01:17:22,474 --> 01:17:23,773
sorry. I wish we had

3485
01:17:23,775 --> 01:17:24,774
again, unless

3486
01:17:24,776 --> 01:17:25,475
anybody's come up

3487
01:17:25,477 --> 01:17:26,075
with a breakthrough

3488
01:17:26,077 --> 01:17:26,910
that gets everybody

3489
01:17:26,912 --> 01:17:28,378
on board and we may

3490
01:17:28,380 --> 01:17:30,013
have to just go back.

3491
01:17:30,015 --> 01:17:31,014
And I mean, we've

3492
01:17:31,016 --> 01:17:32,115
done a lot of time

3493
01:17:32,117 --> 01:17:33,116
and effort on fees

3494
01:17:33,118 --> 01:17:34,150
and junk fees here on

3495
01:17:34,152 --> 01:17:35,118
this particular bill

3496
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:36,486
for SB 349, I think,

3497
01:17:36,488 --> 01:17:37,387
you know, given where

3498
01:17:37,389 --> 01:17:38,288
we are in the

3499
01:17:38,290 --> 01:17:39,122
calendar, you know,

3500
01:17:39,124 --> 01:17:40,089
we can continue it

3501
01:17:40,091 --> 01:17:41,090
again, you know, for

3502
01:17:41,092 --> 01:17:43,293
further conversations

3503
01:17:43,295 --> 01:17:44,294
next year. But I

3504
01:17:44,296 --> 01:17:44,794
think we're probably

3505
01:17:44,796 --> 01:17:45,528
in a position to

3506
01:17:45,530 --> 01:17:46,529
report. I just don't

3507
01:17:46,531 --> 01:17:47,497
think there's any

3508
01:17:47,499 --> 01:17:48,398
real value in us

3509
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:49,365
going through and

3510
01:17:49,367 --> 01:17:50,366
trying to nitpick it,

3511
01:17:50,368 --> 01:17:51,401
because I think we're

3512
01:17:51,403 --> 01:17:52,268
probably too far

3513
01:17:52,270 --> 01:17:52,669
apart there. So

3514
01:17:52,671 --> 01:17:53,436
anybody have any

3515
01:17:53,438 --> 01:17:54,370
disagreement? I think

3516
01:17:54,372 --> 01:17:55,338
we're close enough to

3517
01:17:55,340 --> 01:17:56,306
make it worth a

3518
01:17:56,308 --> 01:17:58,441
longer discussion.

3519
01:17:58,443 --> 01:17:59,442
Alright. I think we

3520
01:17:59,444 --> 01:17:59,909
heard the answer

3521
01:17:59,911 --> 01:18:00,743
there or didn't hear

3522
01:18:00,745 --> 01:18:03,446
it. Right. So with

3523
01:18:03,448 --> 01:18:05,248
that is there, unless

3524
01:18:05,250 --> 01:18:06,082
there's any more

3525
01:18:06,084 --> 01:18:06,716
business to come

3526
01:18:06,718 --> 01:18:09,786
before the whatever

3527
01:18:09,788 --> 01:18:13,189
we are working group.

3528
01:18:13,191 --> 01:18:15,024
Jessica.

3529
01:18:15,026 --> 01:18:15,458
>> Apologies. Real

3530
01:18:15,460 --> 01:18:17,126
quick, I would love

3531
01:18:17,128 --> 01:18:17,560
potentially

3532
01:18:17,562 --> 01:18:18,127
volunteers for a

3533
01:18:18,129 --> 01:18:18,928
small group to

3534
01:18:18,930 --> 01:18:19,863
workshop that section

3535
01:18:19,865 --> 01:18:21,064
just on our Zoom

3536
01:18:21,066 --> 01:18:22,599
meeting virtual of

3537
01:18:22,601 --> 01:18:24,000
your time. So I'd

3538
01:18:24,002 --> 01:18:25,335
love to email all the

3539
01:18:25,337 --> 01:18:25,735
people who were

3540
01:18:25,737 --> 01:18:26,469
involved in that

3541
01:18:26,471 --> 01:18:27,403
conversation and set

3542
01:18:27,405 --> 01:18:28,471
up a, a separate

3543
01:18:28,473 --> 01:18:28,905
conversation from

3544
01:18:28,907 --> 01:18:29,539
here to wordsmith

3545
01:18:29,541 --> 01:18:30,473
that language. We can

3546
01:18:30,475 --> 01:18:32,308
all get to a point of

3547
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:32,775
agreement, hopefully

3548
01:18:32,777 --> 01:18:33,443
to present to the

3549
01:18:33,445 --> 01:18:34,377
full commission in

3550
01:18:34,379 --> 01:18:35,311
November just to

3551
01:18:35,313 --> 01:18:36,312
speed up that process.

3552
01:18:36,314 --> 01:18:37,313
So we're not all

3553
01:18:37,315 --> 01:18:37,747
emailing back and

3554
01:18:37,749 --> 01:18:38,314
forth.

3555
01:18:38,316 --> 01:18:39,415
>> And when you guys

3556
01:18:39,417 --> 01:18:40,416
get to something that

3557
01:18:40,418 --> 01:18:41,417
you all feel like

3558
01:18:41,419 --> 01:18:42,352
within your smaller

3559
01:18:42,354 --> 01:18:43,319
group is, is a

3560
01:18:43,321 --> 01:18:44,320
consensus. If you get

3561
01:18:44,322 --> 01:18:45,421
it out to us again

3562
01:18:45,423 --> 01:18:46,322
just before the

3563
01:18:46,324 --> 01:18:46,756
presentation. So I

3564
01:18:46,758 --> 01:18:47,590
don't want anybody to

3565
01:18:47,592 --> 01:18:48,591
be looking at that

3566
01:18:48,593 --> 01:18:49,459
language for the

3567
01:18:49,461 --> 01:18:50,460
first time when I

3568
01:18:50,462 --> 01:18:51,461
present it to the

3569
01:18:51,463 --> 01:18:52,395
full commission. So

3570
01:18:52,397 --> 01:18:53,429
the idea would be to

3571
01:18:53,431 --> 01:18:54,430
be transparent about

3572
01:18:54,432 --> 01:18:55,331
it. Okay. Absolutely.

3573
01:18:55,333 --> 01:18:55,598
>> Yeah.

3574
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:56,533
>> All right, all

3575
01:18:56,535 --> 01:18:57,400
right. Thank you

3576
01:18:57,402 --> 01:18:58,334
everybody. Thanks for

3577
01:18:58,336 --> 01:18:59,335
all your hard work.

3578
01:18:59,337 --> 01:19:00,470
And I hope I didn't

3579
01:19:00,472 --> 01:19:01,437
get too testy about

3580
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:03,506
it. All right. We'll

3581
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