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meeting started

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called the meeting to order. Now

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we currently do not have a

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quuorum

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so if we do reach that point we

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we're missing a couple senators

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if we get to that point and they

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come in and we'll go back to

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this and we'll we'll do it

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do it from there so we'll go to

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previous meetings or we're not

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going to do that because we have

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to wait to my fault

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OK

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yes that's what I'm trying to

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the next item on the agenda is a

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presentation on safety and

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collaboration and construction

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zones for fire and EMS vehicles

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by Scott Epllin

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the assistant deputy secretary

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of the west Virginia Department

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of Transportation.

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is he here today

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come on

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thank you for being here today

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you sir appreciate that the

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well we've got one still short

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if you raise your right hand on

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through the oath

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do you solemnly swear or affirm

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that the testimony you shall

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provide shall be the truth, the

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whole truth and nothing but the

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truth so help you go sir OK

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thank you and you may proceed

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don't mind stand by we'll go

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ahead and take care of this

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business and then we'll be

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back to you. OK we do have a

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quorum now

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so I'm gonna

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have the committee clerk will

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take a silent roll call Quorumm

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has been established

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and now we'll move to the

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approval of the previous

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meeting's minutes. I move that

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the previous meeting's minutes

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be approved.

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question is on the motion that

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previous meeting's minutes be

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approved all those in favor say

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those opposed say no

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in the opinion of the chair the

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ays have it. I declare the

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motion

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now

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august

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minutes to be approved

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because that was for January

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that was for January we have two

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well that was for January so now

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we'll do August

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those in favor say a

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right

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those opposed no

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this is my opinion that the ayes

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have it

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so

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the meeting is ajjo not the

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meeting is adjourned sorry not

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yet.

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we'll go back to the regular

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business with the presentation

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Mr Epllin you have the floor

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thank you

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the committee posed three

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areas or questions that they

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would like for me to address and

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all of it surrounds work zone

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safety and the coordination with

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firing EMS services

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the first one was the

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elimination of emergency

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crossovers when we install

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protective barriers

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as the rule of thumb there's

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typically two types it's either

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a cable barrier or a concrete

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medium barrier. Both of these

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are installed for safety usually

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driven by crash data

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one thing to note with the

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concrete

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barrier that's when we're

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typically widening

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for example the interstate and

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we're adding in filling in the

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median

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constructing the wall and thus

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eliminating the shoulder

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so then that poses a huge safety

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risk to have some type of break

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in that concrete wall.

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it can be done some may be

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familiar we've installed those

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on the turnpike

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back to a lot of referred

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to it as nomageddon. it was a

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huge snowstorm

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like in the2000s and

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those are effective. that

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unfortunately left a lot of

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motorists stranded for days

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somewhat paralyzed our first

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responder community that was a

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very unique circumstances but in

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working with the first responder

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community, we did identify

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solution and to my knowledge

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we haven't really had those

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types of issues since.

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with the cable barrier it is a

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costeffective way and we're

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trying to prevent crossover

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accidents, typically lead to

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a headon impact

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unfortunately we're not an

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enforcement

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agency even though

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we put up signage says and still

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use these so it's not just the

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first responder community and

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even our own maintenance

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operations that utilize them

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motorists will ignore the

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signage and take advantage of

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these so that poses an

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additional safety concern

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when people talk or you get

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feedback from the

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first responder community a lot

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of the ones that get eliminated

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when these are installed were

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not authorized to begin with

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they just happened over time so

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to speak, whether it's

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maintenance operations former

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construction project a lot of

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the time the contractors when

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they're replacing a bridge for

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an example we'll have something

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unfortunately just never went

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directives established

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when we're designing these and

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the design phase that we take

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that into account. a lot of it

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the safe distance between

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interchanges but also the

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roadway geometry comes into

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play.

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and you've probably seen him

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yourself, it was just a gravel

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dip through the median and I've

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seen first responder vehicles be

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stranded there

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they just were not constructed

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no ther question that was posed

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the boxes and emergency vehicles

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that change the signal lights.

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and if the signalized

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intersection has up todate

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technology or has that

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technology and what we refer to

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as the cabinet

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you can install an optical

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emitter on the responding fire

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engine or ambulance that a lot

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of site does send a signal to

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that intersection and we'll

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instigate the change to where

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they're catching green lights.

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you know why can't we put these

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in all emergency vehicles. We do

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not regulate that typically when

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we install that technology in

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the intersection we give the

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we give them one

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they can get as many as

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possible. I would

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urge everybody to use caution

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that there's a lot of room for

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abuse with those

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it's almost the user's

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discretion is it a true

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emergency or emergency they deem

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it does disrupt the flow of

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traffic for everyone

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but we do not regulate or limit

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how many of those devices that

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firehouse or the ambulance

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agency would utilize

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posed was how can

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firing EMS communicate with

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flaggers and how can we develop

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a policy to

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one we would want our

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flaggers to be concentrating on

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safely controlling the traffic

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through a work zone

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I'll share with you there are

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policies it's a design directive

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and when we develop a project,

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there's three level it's a

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transportation a TMP which is a

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transportation management plan.

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there's three levels

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level one being insignificant

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right up to a level3 being the

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most significant. A good example

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for that would be the Eugene

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Carter deck replacement project

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out here in the middle of

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That project is unique because

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that's the heavily traveled

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bridge in the state

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when we do that right from the

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conception or design we involve

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all stakeholders

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your first responder community,

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your business community even

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local hospitals other transit

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agencies that all stakeholders

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are identified and they are

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involved in every step of the

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way through the development of

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the project

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there's mandatory meetings so we

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get their feedback and some of

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the things that come up was

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uniquely

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how could they respond

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given any day there could be a

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change in traffic pattern even

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though part of this plan is

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public notification right down

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to aite of changing traffic

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patterns

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things happen during the

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sequence of construction

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on this as just as an example I

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think we added12

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Cctv cameras

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now obviously there may not be

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somebody at every station

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monitoring it so they're feeding

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into the 911 center

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first responder community that's

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how they chose to have that set

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in an effort to give advanced

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notice. Now in contrast out in a

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rural setting could be a fewho

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pipe replacement project

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out on a rural county route

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the most effective thing

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there and I know

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many years ago, when I

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started I flagged traffic in

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most valuable tool there is the

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audible alarm of a siren.

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and when you hear that

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flagger and everybody they're

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working

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does everything possible to

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facilitate the efficient fast

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movement of that responding

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emergency vehicle through that

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work zone. those are typically

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small

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if nothing else and you just

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get everybody to stop if you had

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it down to one lane the

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responding emergency vehicle

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could easily navigate that

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and I touched on the the TNP

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because there was a question

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about a policy but it boils

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down

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to the level of the project or

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the significance of the project

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that's being constructed or

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maintained

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Now those were the three

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questions posed by the committee

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but I did agree to open it up

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to Q andA and try the field or

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address any additional

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concerns you may have.

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are there any questions from

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the committee?

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OK Mr Mallow

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or actually delegate Mallow

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thank you Mr chair thank you

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for being here great

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presentation. couple of

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questions. when you plan out a a

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highway do you plan out

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mandatory distances between the

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crossovers are they mandatory or

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do they just because you said

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they sometimes happen upon

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construction but is there not

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like every two miles or every3

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miles or whatever the number is

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unauthorized crossover for fire

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EMS and police

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good question

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Yes, according to the asto

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greenook or that's the design

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manual for all projects in all

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states. It's a a minimum of5

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miles

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so there is a standard there and

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we do take that into

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consideration when we're

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developing these plans that's

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why I was referring to you may

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have some existing ones

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before we come in and install

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the barrier system

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now they're blocked off it's

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probably because they did not

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meet the design criteria to be

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established in the first place.

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and the question that came from

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my fire department was that and

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where they go up79 just south of

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Morgantown

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if they lose that crossover, I

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think it's at exit143 they have

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to go up to where7968 meet to

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turn around to come back if

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they're they have to go

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northbound to get on the

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interstate, then they got to go

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to Morgantown and come back for

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a southbound fire or accident or

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whatever. so they're worried

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about response time. they're

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00:32:47,552 --> 00:32:47,802
accustomed to using that

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00:32:49,786 --> 00:32:50,036
authorized crossover there

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and we don't want to lose that

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because I think their biggest

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00:32:56,652 --> 00:32:56,902
concern is like response time

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00:32:57,252 --> 00:32:57,502
getting to the accident or

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00:32:57,819 --> 00:32:58,069
getting to the fire

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ive miles seems a lot but that's

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just met I don't know

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00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:07,402
yes and that's just we can

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00:33:10,619 --> 00:33:10,869
obviously review each instance

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because we were partners in and

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we want to work hand in hand

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00:33:17,052 --> 00:33:17,302
with them to address

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00:33:20,619 --> 00:33:20,869
each and every situation. When I

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looked at the couple that were

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00:33:23,152 --> 00:33:23,402
presented to me one

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unfortunately was removed due to

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the installation of the concrete

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00:33:28,852 --> 00:33:29,102
wall in they expand into six

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lanes. The other one even though

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the cable is already installed

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00:33:34,786 --> 00:33:35,036
it's still exists and is in use

398
00:33:38,652 --> 00:33:38,902
but I could see their fear

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and I will follow up and check

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with the local district office

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00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:43,369
to make sure that particular

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00:33:44,952 --> 00:33:45,202
locations addressed. thank you

403
00:33:45,619 --> 00:33:45,869
so much. thank you Mr Chair.

404
00:33:48,819 --> 00:33:49,069
senator Woodrum

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00:33:56,386 --> 00:33:56,636
thank you Mr Chairman. You you

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mentioned that5 miles the the

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standard are there exceptions

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00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:00,769
made for high oxidant areas

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00:34:06,886 --> 00:34:07,136
obviouslybously there is room to

410
00:34:08,652 --> 00:34:08,902
review and we would perform have

411
00:34:10,386 --> 00:34:10,636
our traffic engineering

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00:34:11,419 --> 00:34:11,669
department before a review but

413
00:34:14,686 --> 00:34:14,936
if the data is driving that, we

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would recognize that and make an

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00:34:18,752 --> 00:34:19,002
exception but it still has to

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meet certain

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00:34:21,586 --> 00:34:21,836
other thresholds for example the

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00:34:22,252 --> 00:34:22,502
geometry

419
00:34:26,386 --> 00:34:26,636
to where we can do so safely

420
00:34:28,619 --> 00:34:28,869
because unfortunately it's not

421
00:34:30,419 --> 00:34:30,669
just the emergency vehicle

422
00:34:31,052 --> 00:34:31,302
community that takes advantage

423
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:31,969
of those.

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00:34:34,652 --> 00:34:34,902
even though we put there's

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00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:36,669
proper signage you'll see it

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00:34:38,386 --> 00:34:38,636
it's a no U-turn and authorized

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00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:40,969
vehicles only signage there

428
00:34:45,052 --> 00:34:45,302
citizens still routinely

429
00:34:45,619 --> 00:34:45,869
utilize them

430
00:34:48,652 --> 00:34:48,902
but we can look at each and

431
00:34:50,652 --> 00:34:50,902
every case and review it and

432
00:34:51,286 --> 00:34:51,536
obviously make an exception

433
00:34:54,652 --> 00:34:54,902
if it's warranted.

434
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:57,369
yeah I'm I'm on the 64 down near

435
00:34:59,152 --> 00:34:59,402
theandstone exit but both sides

436
00:35:00,652 --> 00:35:00,902
of that you've got a significant

437
00:35:02,652 --> 00:35:02,902
grade. it's not uncommon to have

438
00:35:04,386 --> 00:35:04,636
more than one accident at a time

439
00:35:06,419 --> 00:35:06,669
going on. Sometimes you may have

440
00:35:08,419 --> 00:35:08,669
three different accidents on on

441
00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:09,369
each side of that exit

442
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depending upon the weather

443
00:35:13,186 --> 00:35:13,436
and that's that's the reason I

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00:35:15,186 --> 00:35:15,436
was asking our resources are

445
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:16,769
already stretched thin without

446
00:35:19,119 --> 00:35:19,369
you know as he said me doing5

447
00:35:21,086 --> 00:35:21,336
miles to to make a loop to come

448
00:35:23,019 --> 00:35:23,269
back. we're typically

449
00:35:26,386 --> 00:35:26,636
we've got a volunteer fire

450
00:35:26,919 --> 00:35:27,169
department that's first

451
00:35:28,652 --> 00:35:28,902
responders but we have two other

452
00:35:29,419 --> 00:35:29,669
counties potentially that are

453
00:35:30,919 --> 00:35:31,169
trying to respond to that series

454
00:35:33,186 --> 00:35:33,436
of accidents as well. So it gets

455
00:35:34,919 --> 00:35:35,169
to be a lot to manage sometimes

456
00:35:36,386 --> 00:35:36,636
and I thought it was a way to

457
00:35:37,186 --> 00:35:37,436
make that easier on those high

458
00:35:39,186 --> 00:35:39,436
oxidant areas that would be be

459
00:35:39,852 --> 00:35:40,102
advisable.

460
00:35:44,386 --> 00:35:44,636
yes one thing we did discover

461
00:35:46,552 --> 00:35:46,802
I think it's worth noting years

462
00:35:47,219 --> 00:35:47,469
ago when a

463
00:35:49,386 --> 00:35:49,636
large scale incident or major

464
00:35:52,386 --> 00:35:52,636
accident does occur. the

465
00:35:54,686 --> 00:35:54,936
first few, experience these

466
00:36:00,652 --> 00:36:00,902
obstacles if you want to call it

467
00:36:02,886 --> 00:36:03,136
that. what happens is once

468
00:36:04,819 --> 00:36:05,069
everything gets shut down we

469
00:36:06,419 --> 00:36:06,669
bring in all of our first

470
00:36:08,619 --> 00:36:08,869
responders opposed through

471
00:36:10,619 --> 00:36:10,869
opposing traffic coming the

472
00:36:11,186 --> 00:36:11,436
other way to where they have a

473
00:36:13,086 --> 00:36:13,336
clear road right to the scene.

474
00:36:14,852 --> 00:36:15,102
We have felt that to be one of

475
00:36:18,419 --> 00:36:18,669
the most useful methods as far

476
00:36:19,086 --> 00:36:19,336
as saving time and resources

477
00:36:23,086 --> 00:36:23,336
doesn't always work but as a

478
00:36:24,886 --> 00:36:25,136
standard practice, the first

479
00:36:26,886 --> 00:36:27,136
community first responder

480
00:36:28,852 --> 00:36:29,102
community is very efficient and

481
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:29,769
utilizing that technique.

482
00:36:31,619 --> 00:36:31,869
right thank thank you sir. Thank

483
00:36:32,286 --> 00:36:32,536
you Mr. Chairman.

484
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:36,769
senior senator from the sixth

485
00:36:42,386 --> 00:36:42,636
Thank Mr Chaman thank you for

486
00:36:44,419 --> 00:36:44,669
being here Scott. Just while

487
00:36:45,019 --> 00:36:45,269
we're having these conversations

488
00:36:46,919 --> 00:36:47,169
I think about the four lanes

489
00:36:49,152 --> 00:36:49,402
it's been expanded to 6 lanes

490
00:36:51,052 --> 00:36:51,302
with the port wall in the middle

491
00:36:51,752 --> 00:36:52,002
and it just kind of makes it

492
00:36:54,619 --> 00:36:54,869
impossible to to get a crossover

493
00:36:56,652 --> 00:36:56,902
I think about other large

494
00:36:58,719 --> 00:36:58,969
metropolitan areas that have a 8

495
00:36:59,386 --> 00:36:59,636
and

496
00:37:02,386 --> 00:37:02,636
10 lane highway you know there's

497
00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:03,536
no crossovers there are they I

498
00:37:03,952 --> 00:37:04,202
mean

499
00:37:06,886 --> 00:37:07,136
isn't that common in you know

500
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:09,369
when you have like more than a

501
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:10,769
four lane highway to not have

502
00:37:11,186 --> 00:37:11,436
the crossover

503
00:37:16,652 --> 00:37:16,902
correct especially in the more

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00:37:17,352 --> 00:37:17,602
urbanized area you're

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00:37:19,219 --> 00:37:19,469
interchange spacing it's gonna

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00:37:19,919 --> 00:37:20,169
be much closer

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00:37:22,652 --> 00:37:22,902
this really only comes into play

508
00:37:23,452 --> 00:37:23,702
in rural areas now

509
00:37:28,886 --> 00:37:29,136
where we have expanded to sixth

510
00:37:30,386 --> 00:37:30,636
lane you're taking away that

511
00:37:32,386 --> 00:37:32,636
shoulder that the emergency

512
00:37:33,186 --> 00:37:33,436
vehicle would use to decelerate

513
00:37:36,686 --> 00:37:36,936
and navigate that turn because

514
00:37:38,852 --> 00:37:39,102
it is a tight radius but it's

515
00:37:39,452 --> 00:37:39,702
not common in

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00:37:44,652 --> 00:37:44,902
these multilane facilities to

517
00:37:46,852 --> 00:37:47,102
have emergency crossovers you

518
00:37:48,886 --> 00:37:49,136
mentioned the five miles is that

519
00:37:50,619 --> 00:37:50,869
selfimposed or is that aeder

520
00:37:53,086 --> 00:37:53,336
regulation or. That's acfR from

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00:37:54,986 --> 00:37:55,236
the asshow greenook I believe I

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00:37:55,652 --> 00:37:55,902
can

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00:37:58,952 --> 00:37:59,202
follow up and verify that but

524
00:38:00,419 --> 00:38:00,669
I'm pretty sure that's where

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00:38:02,386 --> 00:38:02,636
they got like a federaler

526
00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:03,269
mandated regulation

527
00:38:05,219 --> 00:38:05,469
guideline

528
00:38:08,652 --> 00:38:08,902
that's what would allow us a

529
00:38:11,186 --> 00:38:11,436
to be able to review each

530
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:13,369
location independently.

531
00:38:13,652 --> 00:38:13,902
right thank youco thank you Mr

532
00:38:14,319 --> 00:38:14,569
Chairman.

533
00:38:18,752 --> 00:38:19,002
Any other questions

534
00:38:22,952 --> 00:38:23,202
I have one question

535
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:26,769
you've mentioned something about

536
00:38:29,119 --> 00:38:29,369
something that was installed on

537
00:38:30,552 --> 00:38:30,802
the emergency vehicles that

538
00:38:31,086 --> 00:38:31,336
would

539
00:38:34,919 --> 00:38:35,169
would trigger the stoplights and

540
00:38:35,619 --> 00:38:35,869
you said that

541
00:38:38,752 --> 00:38:39,002
you felt like that at times was

542
00:38:39,452 --> 00:38:39,702
abused

543
00:38:42,652 --> 00:38:42,902
by some of the first responders

544
00:38:44,652 --> 00:38:44,902
is is that did I hear that right

545
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:47,369
it'd say I would give caution

546
00:38:48,886 --> 00:38:49,136
that there is a lot of room for

547
00:38:51,019 --> 00:38:51,269
abuse to my knowledge it's not

548
00:38:51,686 --> 00:38:51,936
abused

549
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:56,969
and and I'm saying we don't

550
00:38:58,852 --> 00:38:59,102
regulate I had a fire department

551
00:38:59,519 --> 00:38:59,769
once that wanted

552
00:39:03,152 --> 00:39:03,402
like 20 of them. I can't

553
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:03,969
remember if this was years ago.

554
00:39:05,286 --> 00:39:05,536
we give one

555
00:39:08,752 --> 00:39:09,002
with the installation and then

556
00:39:10,686 --> 00:39:10,936
they are best suited that they

557
00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:13,369
know which engines or ambulances

558
00:39:17,152 --> 00:39:17,402
I don't to my knowledge it's not

559
00:39:20,586 --> 00:39:20,836
expanded to all the auxiliary

560
00:39:21,252 --> 00:39:21,502
vehicles they have

561
00:39:22,586 --> 00:39:22,836
but it

562
00:39:26,452 --> 00:39:26,702
for true emergencies and not out

563
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:27,369
of convenience is what I'm

564
00:39:28,986 --> 00:39:29,236
trying to stress right and and I

565
00:39:29,652 --> 00:39:29,902
know

566
00:39:31,486 --> 00:39:31,736
back when I was

567
00:39:32,986 --> 00:39:33,236
a first responder

568
00:39:35,086 --> 00:39:35,336
it had to be

569
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:40,969
a a a certain code you had to be

570
00:39:41,419 --> 00:39:41,669
running

571
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:44,969
you know full code in order to

572
00:39:46,752 --> 00:39:47,002
get those services to you is

573
00:39:47,386 --> 00:39:47,636
that not the

574
00:39:48,986 --> 00:39:49,236
standard

575
00:39:52,686 --> 00:39:52,936
today it's only for a code3

576
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:55,369
response so so it is so there is

577
00:39:58,452 --> 00:39:58,702
and and so I would think it

578
00:39:59,219 --> 00:39:59,469
would be hard to abuse if

579
00:40:02,786 --> 00:40:03,036
there is a standard out there to

580
00:40:03,452 --> 00:40:03,702
say you cannot

581
00:40:04,752 --> 00:40:05,002
utilize this

582
00:40:08,786 --> 00:40:09,036
piece of equipment unless you

583
00:40:09,452 --> 00:40:09,702
are running

584
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:10,769
a code3

585
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:16,769
Yes, and I can follow up on that

586
00:40:19,186 --> 00:40:19,436
where we don't enforce it, I

587
00:40:20,886 --> 00:40:21,136
don't know how the first

588
00:40:22,486 --> 00:40:22,736
responder community handles that

589
00:40:26,652 --> 00:40:26,902
I know in West Virginia for

590
00:40:27,219 --> 00:40:27,469
example, they're all optical

591
00:40:28,886 --> 00:40:29,136
line of sight

592
00:40:34,886 --> 00:40:35,136
in huge urbanized areas a lot

593
00:40:36,619 --> 00:40:36,869
of them are stationary and they

594
00:40:38,886 --> 00:40:39,136
utilize GPS and that's

595
00:40:40,386 --> 00:40:40,636
controlled through both the

596
00:40:43,386 --> 00:40:43,636
911ent and the the station.

597
00:40:45,186 --> 00:40:45,436
but where it's just an opttacle

598
00:40:47,186 --> 00:40:47,436
that's on that vehicle there is

599
00:40:47,786 --> 00:40:48,036
an opportunity

600
00:40:50,686 --> 00:40:50,936
that it could be utilized and

601
00:40:51,352 --> 00:40:51,602
it's not

602
00:40:54,919 --> 00:40:55,169
I think some of them utilize

603
00:40:56,919 --> 00:40:57,169
it that they wire it in to where

604
00:40:58,419 --> 00:40:58,669
if they're not running for

605
00:41:00,619 --> 00:41:00,869
example lights and sirens, the

606
00:41:01,252 --> 00:41:01,502
optical emitter is not operable.

607
00:41:06,386 --> 00:41:06,636
so there are some methods you

608
00:41:07,219 --> 00:41:07,469
can utilize to minimize

609
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:10,769
any potential malfunction so to

610
00:41:11,219 --> 00:41:11,469
speak.

611
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:14,969
right but I think the just the

612
00:41:16,619 --> 00:41:16,869
you know to me it just appears

613
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:19,369
that the there needs to be some

614
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:21,369
accountability towards the

615
00:41:22,919 --> 00:41:23,169
first responders if they're

616
00:41:23,452 --> 00:41:23,702
abusing it like that

617
00:41:24,652 --> 00:41:24,902
because

618
00:41:26,952 --> 00:41:27,202
it it let's let's face it that's

619
00:41:29,286 --> 00:41:29,536
that's your that's a dangerous

620
00:41:29,952 --> 00:41:30,202
when you're running a code3

621
00:41:34,652 --> 00:41:34,902
you know it's it should be for

622
00:41:35,252 --> 00:41:35,502
those major

623
00:41:36,586 --> 00:41:36,836
emergencies

624
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:41,369
because it does you know the the

625
00:41:42,786 --> 00:41:43,036
public will get used to the

626
00:41:43,352 --> 00:41:43,602
lights and siren

627
00:41:45,219 --> 00:41:45,469
if you're running it every time

628
00:41:48,419 --> 00:41:48,669
you go on a on a call so that's

629
00:41:50,386 --> 00:41:50,636
why we had a a standard that you

630
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:51,369
could not well you could abuse

631
00:41:52,886 --> 00:41:53,136
it if you want but there should

632
00:41:55,119 --> 00:41:55,369
be accountability for those who

633
00:41:56,886 --> 00:41:57,136
you know that's that's for

634
00:41:58,419 --> 00:41:58,669
everyone's safety there because

635
00:42:00,752 --> 00:42:01,002
those are for those critical

636
00:42:03,219 --> 00:42:03,469
moments when emergency vehicle

637
00:42:03,886 --> 00:42:04,136
needs to get

638
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:04,969
somewhere

639
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:08,769
fast so I I would I would look

640
00:42:09,219 --> 00:42:09,469
at the

641
00:42:11,619 --> 00:42:11,869
the leadership of those

642
00:42:13,152 --> 00:42:13,402
agencies to

643
00:42:15,019 --> 00:42:15,269
hold them to their standard

644
00:42:17,319 --> 00:42:17,569
to fix that issue.

645
00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:21,369
yes sir in you're spot on what

646
00:42:24,419 --> 00:42:24,669
you do is you train the public

647
00:42:26,386 --> 00:42:26,636
to ignore it's very it's a

648
00:42:28,386 --> 00:42:28,636
parallel situation to our

649
00:42:29,186 --> 00:42:29,436
signage. when you look at

650
00:42:30,886 --> 00:42:31,136
safety and mobility and

651
00:42:32,919 --> 00:42:33,169
navigating through a work zone

652
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:34,969
signage is critical. one of

653
00:42:35,286 --> 00:42:35,536
the

654
00:42:38,652 --> 00:42:38,902
big things is leaving up flagger

655
00:42:39,319 --> 00:42:39,569
signs overnight.

656
00:42:42,386 --> 00:42:42,636
that's very frustrating to us

657
00:42:44,386 --> 00:42:44,636
not only with our crews but all

658
00:42:45,186 --> 00:42:45,436
utilities. there's a lot of

659
00:42:47,419 --> 00:42:47,669
crews that utilize our roadways

660
00:42:50,386 --> 00:42:50,636
as work zones and what

661
00:42:50,886 --> 00:42:51,136
unfortunately what you're doing

662
00:42:53,152 --> 00:42:53,402
is training the public to ignore

663
00:42:54,952 --> 00:42:55,202
the signage you know it would be

664
00:42:55,586 --> 00:42:55,836
the same situation with

665
00:43:00,419 --> 00:43:00,669
a false alarm on utilizing an

666
00:43:01,452 --> 00:43:01,702
emitter it's like the boy who

667
00:43:05,152 --> 00:43:05,402
cried wolf you know you you you

668
00:43:06,652 --> 00:43:06,902
have all these things and then

669
00:43:08,386 --> 00:43:08,636
you find out well they were just

670
00:43:10,419 --> 00:43:10,669
there's no need for it so I

671
00:43:11,219 --> 00:43:11,469
appreciate are there any other

672
00:43:11,886 --> 00:43:12,136
questions

673
00:43:13,019 --> 00:43:13,269
sir

674
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:21,369
a no unauthorized vehicles. Does

675
00:43:22,886 --> 00:43:23,136
it say there's a possibility of

676
00:43:24,552 --> 00:43:24,802
a fine and if so what is that

677
00:43:25,219 --> 00:43:25,469
amount?

678
00:43:30,386 --> 00:43:30,636
as far as the standard, there's

679
00:43:31,419 --> 00:43:31,669
nothing that lists the fine.

680
00:43:32,952 --> 00:43:33,202
there could have been something

681
00:43:34,919 --> 00:43:35,169
put up at some point and be a

682
00:43:38,386 --> 00:43:38,636
residual basically your your

683
00:43:39,452 --> 00:43:39,702
9 dots on the placard

684
00:43:43,252 --> 00:43:43,502
along with the no Uturn and the

685
00:43:43,952 --> 00:43:44,202
authorized

686
00:43:47,152 --> 00:43:47,402
emergency vehicles only I think

687
00:43:48,886 --> 00:43:49,136
is the only two really signs

688
00:43:52,386 --> 00:43:52,636
that I heard your you made a

689
00:43:54,386 --> 00:43:54,636
great point that the motorist

690
00:43:55,186 --> 00:43:55,436
using that could be a safety

691
00:43:57,186 --> 00:43:57,436
hazard. So in order to keep

692
00:43:59,052 --> 00:43:59,302
those for our fire EMS and

693
00:43:59,619 --> 00:43:59,869
police

694
00:44:02,919 --> 00:44:03,169
could we maybe bring awareness

695
00:44:05,186 --> 00:44:05,436
level up with a fine and the

696
00:44:05,852 --> 00:44:06,102
potential of a fine

697
00:44:10,452 --> 00:44:10,702
I could definitely talk to our

698
00:44:12,919 --> 00:44:13,169
traffic engineering division and

699
00:44:14,919 --> 00:44:15,169
and report back to see if that

700
00:44:16,652 --> 00:44:16,902
needs further action. That'd be

701
00:44:18,419 --> 00:44:18,669
greatid. thank you so much.

702
00:44:19,052 --> 00:44:19,302
thank you Mr Chairman. Yes sir

703
00:44:22,919 --> 00:44:23,169
if there are no other questions

704
00:44:23,619 --> 00:44:23,869
we got one up

705
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:27,369
it would be the senator from

706
00:44:27,686 --> 00:44:27,936
Upshurre

707
00:44:30,619 --> 00:44:30,869
thank you Mr Chairman and

708
00:44:32,952 --> 00:44:33,202
unfortunately I'm going to ask a

709
00:44:33,652 --> 00:44:33,902
question

710
00:44:36,686 --> 00:44:36,936
for clarification that's

711
00:44:38,419 --> 00:44:38,669
probably running through every

712
00:44:39,019 --> 00:44:39,269
member of this committee this

713
00:44:39,686 --> 00:44:39,936
morning

714
00:44:43,219 --> 00:44:43,469
you're not considering giving

715
00:44:44,686 --> 00:44:44,936
those to delegates and senators

716
00:44:45,352 --> 00:44:45,602
are you

717
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:50,769
no sir unfortunately thank you

718
00:44:51,186 --> 00:44:51,436
that's never been addressed

719
00:45:03,152 --> 00:45:03,402
if there are no other questions

720
00:45:06,686 --> 00:45:06,936
I see none thank you so much

721
00:45:07,352 --> 00:45:07,602
I appreciate your

722
00:45:10,819 --> 00:45:11,069
your presentation Mr Epllin

723
00:45:11,419 --> 00:45:11,669
and

724
00:45:14,919 --> 00:45:15,169
you have nothing furthers are

725
00:45:16,619 --> 00:45:16,869
there any is there any other

726
00:45:17,219 --> 00:45:17,469
business before the committee?

727
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:22,969
there being no further business

728
00:45:23,419 --> 00:45:23,669
before the committee. I

729
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:24,969
recognize the cochair.

730
00:45:28,952 --> 00:45:29,202
all those in favor say aye all

731
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:32,969
the all those opposed say no in

732
00:45:34,386 --> 00:45:34,636
the opinion of the chair the ays

733
00:45:35,286 --> 00:45:35,536
have it the meeting is adjourned

734
00:45:35,952 --> 00:45:36,202
to get you