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meeting in order. Um
sorry

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nine by acknowledging that we're located
in treaty one land traditional land of

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the nishakota
deni and the bird of native nation.

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Okay we're going to
>> adopt the agenda do adopt the agenda

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second by school. All in favor and
carried. Then we'll move on to adoption

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of the minute of the August 26.
I'll move adoption.

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Ros the adoption. Second by uh angle.
Any question of the minute? Seems none.

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Everybody in favor
and is carried. Then we move on to the

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checklist. Uh, be it resolved that the
checks and EFTs in the amount of

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$378,490.38

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be approved for payment.
>> Make a motion.

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» I'll second.
>> Okay, we got Stalwicks to move and

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second by uh Sagazai. Any question? Any
looking at the all this and so on.

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Everything is looking good anyways.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Good. Everybody's in favor. Everybody is

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then that's carried. Then we move on to
finance statement of August

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26th.
>> I'll move the finance statements.

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» I move I guess
second.

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» Just a quick quick question just giving
as we move towards the second half of

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the year.
>> In good shape

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» in good shape. This is the time of year
if we have

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» we find ourselves needing to
>> be cautious. We can it's easier to

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recover than it is in November or
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» Ann and I have looked at it. We're
>> we're happy. Perfect. Thank you. That's

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answers the question.
>> More question seems none. Everybody's in

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favor. Everybody is then carried.
Okay. So we move on to 91 the LUD

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district of richer community of the
September 2nd. I'll make a motion.

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Yeah.
always move second by no.

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» Sorry guys, I wasn't there.
>> Any any

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» Hey, I think it's still
>> Yes, he's read that.

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» Thank you.
>> I've gone through this once before.

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» So, you can't tell us anything.
>> I cannot tell you too much.

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» I don't think there was much. Anyway,
from what I read, it was right. I read

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the minutes. There wasn't much.
>> Yeah. No, it wasn't. as usual.

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Essentially, um there was some repairs
being done which council has already

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discussed in front of the richer are
actively done if not already. Um the

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fall town cleanup for the LUD of Richard
residence is happening as usual. Uh

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we're still planning the holiday cheer
contest coming up.

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» Um so that's an annual thing that we do.
So that was just again we're changing it

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a little bit for this year. Um just
mainly in the manner that the uh judging

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will take place. Um, so we're going to
have a municipal vehicle or we're hoping

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to have a municipal vehicle, have all of
the the the committee members as judges

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go around in one go. Um, so with the
marked vehicle, there'll be less

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community concern if there's just
slowmoving cars on the roads and things

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like that um for safety and it's
probably a better idea that way. So

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it'll be one night of judging so
everybody can turn on their lights for

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that one day and then that'll be that.
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speeding is a concern in the town of
Richer. So, they're wanting to post more

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of those uh 30 km an hour zones. So,
with more signage, they're hoping to

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alert people of those restrictions so
that they can slow down and keep the

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community safe. That's
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favor, then it's carried.
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10:00. There's two candidates. Then we
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there's no
new business. September 7 uh 15

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committee as a whole cancellation

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» they resolved that the committee of the
whole meeting be scheduled for September

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15th be cancelled um we don't currently
have anything on the agenda so unless

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somebody wants to put something on Yeah.
So I think the summer that usually we

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have a meeting that we cancel we never
cancelled one it's one of the first one

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anyway
>> so so moved

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» so yas second by uh angle everybody's in
favor then it's carried

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okay uh the next is 142 sidm open house
invitations

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» that's happening tomorrow I want to say
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Randy has agreed to go and I've RSVP I
didn't think anybody else. Nobody else.

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Let me
>> I'm I want to go too.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. So, Randy and Richard.

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» Yeah.
>> All right.

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And All right.
>> Do we need to move it? Angle move.

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Second by Nadu. All in favor? Then is
carried.

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Good. Uh the um Uville drain

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information at this point.
>> Information from what I could see. Yes.

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not nothing to discuss about
>> there's further information I guess from

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from there is activity while we looked
at this at the committee of the whole

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last last committee of the whole I think
one of the previous meetings the earlier

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stuff was there the uh August 26th
information so this is

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further to that yeah
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» okay then just
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» yeah but it's wait yeah and hopefully We
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happen there of major issue we can get
that arranged for in our budget for the

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year end up spending tens of thousands
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for it.
Sure. Okay. Then we move on to 111 the

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RMover public gearing application.
I guess it's formation again. I don't

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know if there anyone to talk about.

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I think then I guess we'll move on to
now the 152 subdivision

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Kingsdale Place

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want to read the resolution.
>> So okay this is for whether we're going

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to require
them to install Bell MTS. So it's really

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I mean
>> or Valley Fiber. I thought we agreed

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either one. one or the other. I thought
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» telephone communication
>> telephone line telephone line

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» and yeah
>> so I can read the resolution what the

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options are. Be it resolve the council
deny this request or approve this

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request and instruct administration to
have a development agreement amendment

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drafted reflecting the requirement for
BellMTS telecommunication services to be

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installed for subdivision file
4175-21-8543

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on the following conditions. All
purchasers of the affected lots or those

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current registered owners be informed of
this amendment. That this development

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agreement amendment be registered on the
affected titles at the cost of the

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developers and that all costs associated
with the amendment described above be

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paid by the developers including legal
and registration fees among others.

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» Shouldn't so just shouldn't that be the
change in requirements and that if

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that's if we're if we're denying the
request it means we're holding the

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requirement. If we're denying the
request, if we approve this request, it

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would be instructing administrators to
have the development agreement drafted

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reflecting the change in requirements.
>> No, it's an amendment to the existing

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development agreement that's currently
registered as a caveat on title,

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» which requires it.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah.
>> The development agreement requires it.

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So, we're approving their request to no
longer require it, but we're required to

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modify the development agreement to
remove that um to to amend it according

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to this resolution granting their
request. If we did not change would we

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not amend our whole
>> yeah reflecting the requirement

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» development agreement requirement like
MTS

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» or we we made developers
I'm just to amend before doing

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» development draft
amendment drafted reflecting the

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» well pre doesn't say removed covered
costs how about in this particular one

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that's I think what the or
>> not full cost Okay.

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» Where does the minister
>> was going to add something?

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» Instead of reflecting, we can put
removing the requirement.

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» Because it isn't like it's
>> that would clarify.

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» Yeah. If it's not clear to me in my
reading, then I'm suggesting it's not

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clear,
>> right? The process is the same. We need

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to have an agreement drafted at the
developer cost to be able to um modify

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the the terms of the original contract.
>> Yeah. So is that something that you

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think the contractor would agree with?
Is that understanding

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» would be less expensive than the
installation from what we understand?

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» This is the question to council though.
Are we going to force the developer to

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um have MTS put in [clears throat]
>> where where

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» that's
>> this is the by the gun range.

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» Yes.
>> So how's how's cell phone communication

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in that area?
>> You went out there. It was spotty but it

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did work.
>> Yeah. You had said you had gotten like

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one bar. Somebody had to
>> Yeah. Exactly.

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» Like we could make a call.
>> We I couldn't check emails on my phones.

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» I just
>> So So that's why we included in the

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recommendation to council that every
single registered property owner

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currently there needs to be made aware
that this is not coming because when

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they agreed to buy the land, they were
told this is coming.

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» That was my question. That's the line
that they were.

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» But I mean where the property is,
there's lots of properties around there.

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It can't be that far for MTS to bring.
>> Do we know that the approximate cost to

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bring
>> 80,000 MTS will pay half

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» 80? Like 80,000.
>> I know they say

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» so it would be 40,000 on the developer.
>> 40.

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» Yes.
>> That's

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» MTS agreed to partner 5050. I think
>> it's the number that seems high. Makes

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sense.
>> No, I I think you're informing the the

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people who are going to purchase the
land in regard to the condition. There's

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people that already
>> have already built their home.

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» They've already purchased. They've
already built their homes and they've

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already been told that this is coming.
>> Yes. Basically,

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» that's a problem.
>> Exactly.

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» Oh, and in the defense of the MTS, one
of the thing is because now any there's

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competition.
>> So, this whole structures are changing

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having maint.

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They're still not bringing in fiber
there. They're still bringing in old

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copper wire. But if you think from the
resident's perspective, like you're told

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one, you're told this is coming and now
I don't know.

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» Are you the developer in this?
>> Okay.

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» Well,
I don't know in what sense people are

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told. They've never been told that
there's any internet coming there.

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» Okay.
>> And this I don't know why they would

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know. The development agreement is
registered on title as a tool of

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communication to inform the potential
purchasers of the land of the terms and

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conditions that they're agreeing to by
purchasing this land. So sometimes those

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agreements include requirements for
drainage that it's their obligation to

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maintain those drains at their expense
or things of that nature. One of the

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things in that development agreement is
that the developer is to install uh you

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know street lighting and
telecommunication lines and those those

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utilities. Unless they read it.

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» If they do do their due diligence, they
will know.

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» It doesn't matter if they read it or not
>> because we've built a house there.

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» Yeah.
>> And like telephone service was great the

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whole time.
>> We've had full service the whole time.

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We've had every there.
>> How many homes are or like it's all

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subdivided. How many houses have been
built there?

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» Eight or 10. I believe
>> the total subdivision is eight lots.

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» One one is already occupied, two or
three other construction.

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» I want to know what administration
thinks like with your

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» This is up to
>> no recommendation. No,

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» honestly there is I mean again it's a
decision. It is a huge cost for the

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developer on the one hand.
>> On the other hand I do understand the

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safety side of things. So
>> yeah.

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» Yeah. But does that that cost that cost
is generally the same for all developers

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is it not
>> challenge in this case was when we

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applied for the subdivision bell refused
to come in for the beginning because

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they say it's not in their jurisdiction
to cover it.

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» Wow.
>> So it's under valley fibers.

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» Do we for internet are we talking phone
like do they still bring phone line in?

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Yes. Or [clears throat] is it all fiber?
Like those are two different things.

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It'll be fiber. It would be fiber, but
it would

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» probably fiber you. Okay.
>> Yeah, fiber does both.

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» You don't get landline at all anymore.
>> Well, probably fiber will get you a

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landline through the internet, right?
The new the new ones that are going in

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are not hard wire like it's all internet
based. So, they're

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» okay. Cuz I thought you still got a line
coming your house.

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» But it's not going to be the same kind
of line. Like my phone line is a land

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line. It runs when the power goes off.
>> Yeah, that's what I was These won't run

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when the power goes off. These are f
these are connected to the fiber

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network.
>> Yeah, but they have backup generators.

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» Yeah. Yeah. But I just get the
difference between landline and

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» but also do you have that do you have
that email andor letter from MTS stating

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that?
>> Yes, we do. We have I didn't see that in

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there
>> in the file.

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» Yeah. No, I think because of the change
of having competition and so on, I think

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protecting making it the contractor a
lower cost and it's still protected.

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We're connected by
>> if it's Valley Fiber's area and Valley

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Fiber provides landlines.
>> I don't think there's a monopoly for one

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region for one
>> they have a well whatever. Yeah. Like I

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wouldn't care if it's Valley Fiber or
MTS. It doesn't really matter as long as

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» for the safety reason but because
>> now where are we sitting

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» liabilitywise?
We've had this in the contract and now

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we're taking it out of the contract. I
mean that's liability is coming on us.

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in 21. I don't know that Valley Fiber
was included in the the circulation for

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subdivisions. I think that's more modern
development. So, this contract, the way

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it was approved by the province and the
municipality was strictly BMTS.

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» See what I mean? We're we're kind of
under obligation because it was in the

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original contract and if we deny it now,
then we could be putting ourselves in

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trouble.
>> Yeah.

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» Have we talked to our lawyer about this?
>> No. But we have recommended again that

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at least we notify the public of the
change um as a minimum. If council feels

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we need to consult with our lawyer to
get a more legal opinion then that's

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something we could do. Um but ultimately
like we can see the pros and cons for

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both. A lot of people nowadays just go
to like a internet phone like not

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everybody
>> I can see pros and cons as well but

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» so I mean really there's pros and cons
of of either side of this decision. Um

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it's really up to council. The I'm
sorry. I guess I'm old school, but is it

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Do they bring landline like just
strictly landline to properties? That's

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what I thought.
>> They do LMTS own landline.

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» It's not the same as it used to be, but
it's fiber. So, they're internet phones,

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right?
>> Yeah. MTS does not bring four lines

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hosting like general.
>> Okay.

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» If you if you do like a single lot
subdivision, there's no requirement to

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bring MTS to that.
>> No. But

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» lot. No, but this is a normally if it's
a one lot subdivision, you're off an

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existing municipal road allowance,
right? Where the the lines would already

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be in
>> it's out the out front. I guess

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» there is no existing line to tap in.
>> This is a brand new road that they put

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in. So the the onus is typically on the
developer to provide the utilities

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within that new road allowance. question
is whether the real question is whether

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those kind of communications are
considered now a utility

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» and then moving forward what is the
municipality's standard like because

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this would be precedent setting because
in the past we've always required the

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developer to have this installed. This
is the first time that we've been made

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aware that the um utility company has
informed the developer that they will

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not automatically do the installation
unless there's a cost sharing uh at the

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developer's choice. Is is that is that a
new development?

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» It is a brand new road. Yes.
>> No, no. I'm saying is it a new

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development with MTF Bell MTS? Like is
this something that we're going to be

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dealing with in the f further on down
the line?

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» Possibly.
>> For sure.

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» Yeah.
>> I'm personally okay to like

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approve like approve the request
personally because I I think

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» I know tons of people that have no
landline. They just

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» only have a cell phone. So then you're
putting in this $80,000 infrastructure

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that potentially not be used by anyone.
>> And I and I don't disagree and I think I

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would vote in favor of that as well. But
I think there's a bigger issue we don't

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want to lose sight of and that's doing
it right moving forward because this to

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me
>> we do need more information.

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» Well, it just changes the whole thing of
what we will allow to be included in

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those in those development agreements.
Do [clears throat] we just no longer

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make that available for MTS or or Valley
Fiber to require that? Right. Is is that

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communication line no longer a
municipally controlled uh utility or

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demanded utility? We don't control it,
but we can demand it. This is asking us

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not to demand that that supplement. And
>> we're kind of caught in that change that

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we I think we've seen coming. Yeah,
you're right. We've seen this coming.

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Now we have to do something about what
our requirements are. And it what it

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does I think is it makes it harder for
the developer because the developer

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ahead of time had known this. They could
have decided well now I have to realize

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my lots are worth I'm making up the
number $5,000 more each because I have

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to put out that kind of money to get
that in just like building the road cost

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me $100,000. Building the road and
adding fiber to it cost me $145,000. Now

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I have to share that in the development
of each lot. We did now we're caught in

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the middle of the developer not having
anticipated that

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» but that's a well it was in the original
contract

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» so
it

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» due diligence is like you need to
research that and find out what what it

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is right but
>> no I think I think that we need more

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information I think that our our lawyer
needs to look at this to see if we're

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liable in any way
>> and and and and what and what

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» and how do we move forward
>> for the future

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» liable um in reality I I I don't but I
mean we can still run it by the lawyer

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if that's what you guys want
>> I don't see the liability on this

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neither
>> and I'm more concerned about how we how

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we set up our moving forward and and our
our expectations of of the utilities

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» yeah me too exactly so
>> I think we'll have to do due diligence

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work for the next contractor and she
fine.

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» If somebody wants to bring hydro to
their lot or natural gas, they're paying

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the 10, 12, $15,000 out of
>> That's not negotiable for electricity,

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» right? And that's not the developer
that's having to put that in. That's

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that's the land owner who's buying the
lot that has to

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» It's the developer if they're building a
new road.

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» If they're building a Okay.
>> Correct.

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» Well, it depends where the house would
be located. If the house now is little

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too far and it's additional cost
>> new road that is built through the

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subdivision, the developer is
responsible for putting those hydropoles

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along the road allowance as well as the
street lights.

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» Yeah.
>> So that is the developer

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» along with the wire that comes into
>> right. Right.

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» The way they close then the house
>> just needs to pay for it from go from

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the road to the house which would be the
same kind of thing with the phone lines

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to the
>> if they're kind of still required. And I

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I'm not sure like right now I'm sitting
on the fence both ways because

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uh moving forward
where do we go?

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» I'm I just I just one of the things that
I'm going to ask the developer because

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we have you here and I don't know it's
maybe I should know this. When hydro

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comes down that road are you paying
hydro to bring hydro down that road?

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Well
>> the communication with MTS has been

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» but I'm asking about hydro. Yeah. So
you're paying the hydro to bring that

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down the road as well.
>> Yes. Okay.

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» So, this is a change in policy and they
no no longer will do single dwelling

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homes and then it says it says that uh
Bell MTS Bell Canada will be responsible

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for notifying notification to the
municipalities of this service decision.

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In other words, they've changed their
policies on this.

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» Yeah, I don't I don'tation
>> I don't remember receiving notification.

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» No, but I'm just saying so that's
something that we should get on.

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» Well, that's what Ry's saying. were
caught in between

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» and I I just
>> I don't think that uh like I mean that's

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just an added expense probably you
didn't plan for. Right.

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» Is it fair?
>> If our lawyer says that we have no

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liability for changing this, I'm fine
with changing it.

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» Right. That's where I'm standing.
>> Okay.

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» The communication with MTS has been in
general they will come in at the same

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time when Hydra is coming in
>> and they will just go underground the

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same time but they have not been
And they were surprised when I told

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them, well, like the road is done, like
we need your services. And they're like,

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well, usual, like we're always being
notified when Hydra's coming in. And we

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were being circled the whole time um on
the update. And they were not aware to

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start all this development because in
general like whenever the subdivision or

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the letter circles, they are usually in
the loop

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» and they would come in at the same time
and then there would be no cost,

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» right? And in this case, because it's
not in their jurisdictions, it's in

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Valley's fiber jurisdiction. They have
not been aware of this the whole time.

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» I haven't read anywhere in here where it
says it's Valley Fibers jurisdiction.

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» That would be that's not uh that that's
you guys. No, NTS and Bell may have that

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kind of agreement. We don't have that as
a we don't have a jurisdiction from

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Valley Fiber. We have a plan for
development. It's not a jurisdiction

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thing.
>> Yeah.

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» They can go anywhere they want.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah. So jurisdiction is maybe not the
right word. So they would have put it in

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for
>> had they done

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» had they been
>> well had lies on a dude.

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» Well, I'm not sure that's what they're
saying in their correspondence though.

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» That's not what they're saying.
>> Yeah.

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» 21. This was the response from Bell when
they reviewed the application for

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subdivision. They required easements
from the subdivision

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um and and so on. So they were included
in the communication at the onset of

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this. something changed in between 2021
and 2026 that caused them to rethink

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their position and then send
communication directly to the developers

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saying that they would only do it with a
cost sharing.

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» That's a policy change.
>> It's funny that the RMS never received

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those policy changes like so that we can
act accordingly, right?

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» Unless they just include it with each
review of new subdivision applications.

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But this is being retroactive, right? So
a developer brought this to our

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attention. That's the first that we
heard about it.

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» Yes.
So maybe we should get on these guys.

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» These been agreements come when you like
register your your like mileers or

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whatever like that legal document that
when you register your subdivision you

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have with your lawyer with hydro and MTS
like for all the utilities. So like it

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should have they should have had
>> Yep. And then here the responsibility

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for contacting them is the developers
when the lines go in which I believe is

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what happened here and that's when um
they were informed that

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it's only with cost sharing that the
lines would get put in.

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» Looks like Belle kind of said they're
not doing it because it's too

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competitive now. But then that that's
not us. Well, what kind of right do we

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have to go back to bal and say, "Well,
no, this was an agreement back in 2026."

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» Well, that would guess that would be the
developer that would have to go back

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onto them.
>> Yeah, that's not our job.

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» We just need to know what their policy
is.

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» Went to MDS and trying to get it done
for

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them for a long time
>> and it's not gonna happen.

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» No,
>> I would move that we approve the

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request.
>> I would support it.

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. So we got a mover. Do we have it?

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Great. So as I moved it second any more
discussion

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everybody's in favor
>> and that's with the conditions that

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» that's right.
>> Yeah.

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» Yeah.
>> Then it's carried caveat.

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» We got we got
>> be here and help us.

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» Sorry. We have to get some clarity from
MTS.

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» Well no moving forward we
>> moving forward now we know that there's

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a challenge now.
>> Yeah. But now we've set a press once

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once again though we still need clarity
in from them. Yeah. Wow. Because we

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can't just assumption
I believe I believe

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» what would have been start today. Yes.
But there's no other one now. So

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» I I believe there's a policy change
based on their email chain. But at the

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same time we need to know from them so
that we going forward we can make those

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changes.
>> Right.

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» And I don't think it's necessarily sent
to president. And I think it just it's

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he's caught like in a weird situation
just like we've had before. Now we just

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have to catch up to
>> Well, that's true.

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» We can review our templates and our
municipal standards as well. So

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» yeah, now that we know. Absolutely.
>> There you go.

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» So
>> you're off the hook. Yeah.

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» Good for you.
>> Yeah. But I guess

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» you understand recommend that any new
property owners understand that. Again,

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not everybody not everybody reads the
development agreements just because

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we've now we've changed it and it would
reflect differently. It would be

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probably prudent to let people know
there is no MTS line there

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» before they buy the land. Absolutely.
>> Yeah. It just be the prudent thing to

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do.
>> Good.

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Thank you everyone. Then we're going to
move to consent agenda.

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» No, there's another development
agreement.

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» Development agreement. I move that we
sign the development agreement.

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» I can second.
>> There we go. Move by Sai. Second by

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Nando. Any question? Is there something
in there about MTS?

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» Yeah, that's an agreement subdivision
4175269243

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for grant ADLE. Um and that again is um
one of the the conditions of approval

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being satisfied.
>> Great. Good. Everybody's in favor. Then

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one carries do. Good. Thank you. Then
consent agenda.

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» I can move consent agenda.
>> I'm move consent agenda. Angle second.

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Is there any
part of that that uh someone want to

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talk about or

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» I don't know.
>> Yeah. Then uh everybody's on favor

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then it's good. It's just no question
then I guess uh we're going to move in

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camera. We got half hour
moves angle second going to

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camera

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go into public hearing
and angle

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» did you want to introduce
>> I'll introduce the table we got word one

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word two Wasco Go to word three. Uh what
is it again?

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» I read [laughter]

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words.
>> Four. Okay. Angle five and six. There's

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a joke that people some people know.
[laughter]

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» There are two hearings scheduled for
this meeting. uh one is conditional use

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14-26
and the other is conditional use 17-26.

427
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:04,320
All requirements of the planning act for
the scheduled hearings have been adhered

428
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,840
to. Notices were distributed to the
applicants and to the surrounding

429
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:12,640
affected property owners as well as
posted in the municipal office.

430
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:16,480
The procedures for the hearing are
hearings are as follows. For each

431
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,200
hearing, we will first hear from the
applicant, then from anyone who would

432
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,480
like to speak in support of the
application, followed by anyone who

433
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,399
would like to speak in opposition of the
application. Every speaker who would

434
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,880
like to make a presentation or ask
questions regarding the proposal must

435
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:35,679
first register. Okay, that's irrelevant.
You guys are the applicants. Um, every

436
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:39,200
speaker present in the council chambers
is requested to please move forward to

437
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:43,679
the delegation table, identify
themselves, where they reside, and

438
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:48,240
proceed to make their presentation. All
questions must be directed through the

439
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:52,880
chair of the meeting. Um, council has a
right to ask questions for clarification

440
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:59,919
of the presenters through the chair and
I guess I think the rest is good. So the

441
00:29:57,679 --> 00:30:07,760
first hearing that we have on the agenda
is 14 is variation order 14-26.

442
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:13,880
David Banman vary the following bulk
requirements as a condition of

443
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,880
subdivision file 4175-22-8752.

444
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:29,120
Um proposed is minimum westside
requirement from 25 ft to approximately

445
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:34,399
13 ft for existing deck and minimum west
side requirement from 25 ft to

446
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:40,960
approximately 9.9 ft for the existing
shed at 31086 road 43 North in an area

447
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:46,320
zoned agriculture.
Uh I don't believe the applicant for

448
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:49,600
this one is here.
We didn't receive any um

449
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:54,240
» respondents, nothing.
>> No submissions at all. So

450
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:58,720
» So I have Randy and Brad having moved
and seconded to go into that hearing.

451
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,159
» I'll move that we close this hearing
then.

452
00:30:59,279 --> 00:31:07,039
» Second.
>> Moved by Sarai, second by Namo. All in

453
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:14,200
favor carried and then we'll move on to
the second one. I'll second move. Second

454
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:14,200
one. Second by

455
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:24,720
» this is for conditional use 17-26.
Applicant is Dorene Peril.

456
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:30,720
A public hearing was held on August
12th, 2026 for conditional use 1726, but

457
00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:34,159
an administrative error occurred which
could have impacted the outcome of the

458
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:39,039
hearing. This new hearing was scheduled
to ensure all relevant information was

459
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:44,399
presented to council for consideration
to allow for a previously used mobile

460
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:50,799
home on site and to allow a detached
secondary suite at 174 Pro Boulevard in

461
00:31:48,399 --> 00:31:55,120
an area zoned rural residential. First,
we will hear from the applicant. Please

462
00:31:52,960 --> 00:32:03,279
come to the table.
>> We hear everybody else discuss first or

463
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:08,000
no? No, we'll hear your concern and then
we'll

464
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:15,279
» David Parin from 900 John Bruce Road
East Winnipeg currently. Um, first I'd

465
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:19,279
like to ask if this is a meeting, are we
going over the entire conditional use

466
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,760
application again or just the conditions
that are on the conditional use

467
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,519
application that's already been
approved?

468
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:29,840
The only concern we have if there is a
concern or what is the condition that

469
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:35,279
you're not agree you express why you
don't agree and press what is your

470
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:40,799
» this really is a fresh hearing. Yeah.
>> So yes the approval that you received we

471
00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:45,200
we re revoked that last meeting so that
we can have a new hearing. So you're

472
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,600
hoping to have changes to what we
approve.

473
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:49,600
» Those are the one you wanted to discuss
about

474
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:52,640
» like anything that you didn't like on
the approval.

475
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:57,600
» Yeah. So, I didn't like certain things
out of the conditions on the conditional

476
00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:03,919
use acceptance, but um first, just for
the record, how how is it possible that

477
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:08,320
the entire conditional use application
was um you know, if it's already been

478
00:33:06,399 --> 00:33:12,320
approved, how is it no longer approved?
just just for

479
00:33:09,679 --> 00:33:15,679
» in order to have a new meeting that you
requested, we had to I can't remember

480
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,600
the exact term, but
>> we had to review uh reverse and rescend

481
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:25,279
» resend
>> a the resolution.

482
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:30,760
» Yeah. Okay. Great. So um the previous
meeting

483
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:30,760
so I'll just start by saying

484
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,000
right

485
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:41,120
I'm speaking on behalf of my mother
Darin Parin the registered owner and

486
00:33:39,679 --> 00:33:48,399
applicant of conditional use number
17-26 at 174 P Boulevard boulevard um I

487
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:52,480
am asking council to remove conditions
two and three and retain conditions six

488
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:57,360
unchanged
Um, my concern is that the costly new

489
00:33:55,200 --> 00:34:03,120
well requirement was discussed using the
incorrupt belief that no shared well

490
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:06,080
agreement existed.
During the August 12th meeting, the

491
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:09,679
display transcript records the
neighbor's letter stating, quote, "There

492
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:13,040
is no formal well agreement and the
property owner has not agreed to

493
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:17,040
contribute financially for regular use
or maintenance of the well." The

494
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:21,359
statement that there is no formal well
agreement is incorrect. There is a well

495
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:27,119
a written well agreement dated September
29, 1990 protected by caveat number

496
00:34:24,720 --> 00:34:31,200
13527631.
It provides for using the well in common

497
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:35,520
addresses rights concerning the well and
pipes and includes successors and

498
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:39,359
assignees. Um
section 76 subsection 4 of the real

499
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:43,040
property act provides that the easement
rights and related covenants it

500
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,000
describes run with the land. This means
the relevant rights and obligations

501
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:51,359
continue with the affected properties
when ownership changes.

502
00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:54,639
Applying for a secondary suit suit does
not by itself cancel those rights. Their

503
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:58,640
scope depends on the agreement and
relevant circumstances running with the

504
00:34:56,159 --> 00:35:01,280
land does not authorize unlimited use.
But an additional dwelling does not

505
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:04,480
automatically make the agreement
disappear either. If council believes

506
00:35:03,229 --> 00:35:08,079
[clears throat] the proposed connection
falls outside the agreement, please

507
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:11,920
identify the wording, facts, and legal
basis for that interpretation. A

508
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:17,040
disagreement about what an agreement
permits is not proof that no agreement

509
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:20,720
exists. Um, cond condition two requires
the necessary well and driveway

510
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,119
agreement to be in place. It does not
expressly require new agreements. I'm

511
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:29,599
asking council to recognize our existing
documents and remove that condition as

512
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:34,160
unnecessary. If council considers them
insufficient, please identify exactly

513
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:38,560
what is missing.
Um, the allegations from the neighbor

514
00:35:36,720 --> 00:35:42,079
about financial contributions is a
separate issue. Any enforceable cost

515
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:45,520
sharing obligation remains applicable,
but a disputed payment allegation does

516
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:48,960
not by itself establish that a new well
is necessary. If council believes a

517
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,440
maintenance or funding problem threatens
reliable water service, that concern

518
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:57,599
should be supported by evidence. There
is also existing infrastructure to

519
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:02,079
consider. The property survey shows the
pro the proposed new mobile home. I

520
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,800
intend to connect it to the existing
wellpipe and previously served that

521
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:10,079
previously served the old mobile home.
that pipe has remained in place and

522
00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:14,160
continued to be used since it was
disconnected from the previous mobile

523
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:18,800
home. The proposed connection remains
subject to the new agreement and

524
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:21,839
applicable requirements.
The meeting transcript shows why

525
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:25,280
correcting the misunderstanding about
our agreement matters. At approximately

526
00:36:23,359 --> 00:36:28,960
1 hour 4 minutes, 18 seconds into the
YouTube recording of the previous

527
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:32,560
meeting, a participant began a statement
that included there's no shared well

528
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:36,000
agreement. At approximately 1 hour, 4
minutes and 57 seconds, the discussion

529
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,920
included, "Yeah, right. We could require
that." Then later, at approximately 1

530
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:44,079
hour, 11 minutes, and 33 seconds, a
participant said, "We can require them

531
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:47,680
to put a well in." 3 seconds later, that
was followed by, "I think that would

532
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:51,040
satisfy that complaint." These remarks
connect the proposed new well

533
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:54,960
requirement to satisfying the complaint,
while the discussion also included an

534
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:59,440
incorrect understanding of our existing
agreement. Section 106 subsection 2

535
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:04,079
clause A of the planning act allows
council to quote impose any condition on

536
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:08,240
the approval that it considers necessary
to meet the requirements of clause 1B.

537
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,599
Those requirements concern compatibility
with the surrounding area, health and

538
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,200
welfare effects on surrounding
properties, and consistency with

539
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:19,599
applicable planning bylaws. The planning
act section 106

540
00:37:17,359 --> 00:37:23,280
council can address legit legitimate
planning concerns raised by neighbors,

541
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,200
but it satisfying the neighbor is the
only reason for requiring a new well.

542
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,880
Coun council cannot lawfully use
condition 3 for that purpose. The

543
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:35,119
complaint must be assessed on its facts
saying a new well would satisfy it does

544
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:38,800
not establish why that particular con
condition is necessary. Manitoba's

545
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:42,400
shared well guidance recognizes
residential systems with two to four

546
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:46,800
services connections. Three homes
sharing one well is not automatically

547
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:52,560
prohibited. Manitoba Manitoba's shared
well guidance um and I got it quoted

548
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:56,240
here. Um, and then so condition six
already requires that the applicant is

549
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:59,680
responsible for being in full compliance
with the requirements of federal,

550
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,800
provincial, and municipal authorities at
all time, including obtaining any

551
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:08,640
required approvals and permits and
achieving building code compliance.

552
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:12,079
So, we already remain subject to those
requirements.

553
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:16,400
During the septic discussion, at
approximately 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 6

554
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:21,040
seconds, the display transcript records.
That's right. that that's that has

555
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:26,720
nothing to do with us. That's the
province that regulates that. So I rec I

556
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:30,160
recognize that provincial regulation
municipal planning authority can operate

557
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:33,440
together. However, condition 3 requires
a new well regardless of whether the

558
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,599
existing shared system could meet the
applicable requirements. The parts of

559
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,200
the transcript I am referring to do not
identify a failed capacity test, an

560
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:44,400
unsafe water result, or a direction from
the office of drinking water requiring a

561
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,800
new well. If council has other
supporting evidence, please identify it

562
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,599
so we can respond. After considering the
actual agreement and existing

563
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,720
infrastructure, what specific planning
concerns make a separate well necessary

564
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,800
and why would condition six be
insufficient to address it? That is the

565
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,119
explanation I'm asking council to
provide before maintaining this

566
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,480
substantial expense. So, please
reconsider this the condition using the

567
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:10,079
correct facts. Remove condition two and
three and retain condition six

568
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:15,200
unchanged. Um, and then to top it off, I
also have a text with the neighbor, uh,

569
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:20,560
Aaron from last night that said, "My
meeting I I had texted him. I said, "My

570
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,760
meeting with council was tomorrow. I was
hoping to check in about what we

571
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,440
discussed after August 12th. Are you
happy with our arrangement regarding the

572
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:31,599
driveway and shared well, and are you
okay with us connecting the new mobile

573
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:35,280
home to the existing well system, too? I
was hoping to ask you in person tonight,

574
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:39,760
but I'd appreciate hearing where you're
at before tomorrow's meeting." Aaron

575
00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:44,880
says, "Yeah, we have no problem with it
as long as you help out if needed."

576
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:49,119
Karen changed what your mom wanted us to
change and we sent that in. So hopefully

577
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,880
all is good now. Let's try and get
together next week or something. Let me

578
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:59,292
know how tomorrow goes, man. And I said,
I Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.

579
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,359
» Okay.
[clears throat]

580
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,839
» Oh, go ahead. You
>> got a question? Well, I was just saying

581
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,960
so there was there was an existing
second dwelling on that place at one

582
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:13,680
time, just one, right?
>> The original mobile home.

583
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:17,599
» And so so you the reason I think
>> you're you were changing the usage of

584
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,200
that well, right?
>> Because you you already had a well

585
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:24,800
agreement with one building, but not
with the second one. So you were

586
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:28,640
changing the usage.
>> Yeah. And so that's the the Real

587
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:33,760
Property Act. The well agreement runs
with the land, not the individual

588
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:37,000
building. Right. But the well agreement
go ahead.

589
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:46,640
» But there was that's that's that was my
question. So at one

590
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:49,920
» trailer is going to go exactly where the
trailer was because

591
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:53,520
everything still
>> So there was two dwellings on that house

592
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:58,560
on that property at one time.
>> Ever one residence on the property that

593
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:01,920
was permitted at a time.
>> Okay. So the mobile home was

594
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,319
decommissioned when the house was
finished.

595
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:08,560
» That is correct. So it's always a single
family property. Now they're asking

596
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:11,599
permission from council to have a two
family prop like two residences on one.

597
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,640
» So I don't we
>> How old is the well? What's the

598
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:19,760
condition of the well? What's the
condition of the pump? Have you ever

599
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:24,079
contributed to the hydro for the pump?
>> Um so that that matter would be like a

600
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:26,240
private matter that's outside of this
agreement.

601
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,119
» That's outside of this room.
>> It's between them.

602
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,280
» That's between us. Yeah.
And it was your neighbor that raised the

603
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:36,319
concern
>> and it's but if you look the neighbor

604
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:40,240
rescended their comments
>> got something already prior to the

605
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:44,000
meeting
>> he didn't

606
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,359
» sure he says
>> okay

607
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:48,160
» he said uh
>> have a second email she said

608
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,119
» the correspondence from Corin Barley
that's right

609
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,960
» when when he's done I will read it but
>> sure

610
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,880
» wanted both read
>> okay

611
00:41:53,839 --> 00:41:58,880
» both so
>> we were first looking at that there was

612
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,839
no well agreement that we had seen
Let's see here.

613
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,280
» Right. But it's been provided now. Now
it's been provided. Yeah.

614
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,800
» What we'll do is you're done for now.
>> Well, we'll

615
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:12,400
» Yeah. Right.
>> Can we have a copy of that?

616
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,480
» Well, no. No. I don't I like just
>> to the office after.

617
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,280
» Yeah. That's not official
correspondence. That was sent directly

618
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,160
from the applicants to municipality.
That would be considered more hearsay

619
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,160
and I don't feel it would be admissible
public hearing.

620
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:27,119
» Yeah. But they use them in court.
Nevertheless, we're going to go to

621
00:42:23,839 --> 00:42:31,040
what's so what we'll do is she's going
to tell us read this few letter and then

622
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,680
we'll bring you you could sit down for
now we'll bring you back after you

623
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:35,359
listen
>> just sit there I mean

624
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,880
» well you can sit there too
>> nobody else here waiting

625
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:45,520
» yeah yeah nobody you go ahead
>> okay uh so this is an email from Corin

626
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:49,119
Barley we did reach out to her she
wanted both emails read so that's what I

627
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,839
will do
>> y

628
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:57,200
» hello please see my letter to council
below about this matter. Um, I am

629
00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:01,040
writing to formally oppose the
application for an additional dwelling

630
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:05,599
on the neighboring property. My concerns
are based on the following four points.

631
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:09,680
Shared well and increased water usage.
The neighboring property is currently

632
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:13,920
serviced by a shared well located on my
property. There is no formal well

633
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:18,160
agreement and the property owner has not
agreed to contribute financially for

634
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:22,800
regular use or maintenance of the well.
A second dwelling and third building as

635
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:27,440
there is also a large shop on the
property would increase demands on this

636
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:32,160
shared water source. I do not support
extending the existing arrangement to

637
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:36,560
service an additional household. Two,
increased use of the shared driveway.

638
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:41,760
Our properties are also share a
driveway. A second household will would

639
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:46,400
increase traffic and use of shared
access. This creates concerns regarding

640
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:50,880
maintenance, wear, safety, privacy, and
overall impact on my property.

641
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:55,280
Compatibility with the neighborhood.
This is an established lowdensity rural

642
00:43:53,359 --> 00:44:00,079
residential area with properties of
approximately 2 acres or more. Adding a

643
00:43:57,839 --> 00:44:04,640
second independently occupied dwelling
increases the density of a single

644
00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:09,119
property and in my view is inconsistent
with the existing character of the

645
00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:13,680
neighborhood.
The existing house is currently being

646
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:17,520
rented out by tenants, which concerns me
that this will be a pattern for the

647
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,480
second dwelling as well. If the property
owner would like to reside on the

648
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:25,200
property, there is no need for an
additional dwelling. Four, precedent and

649
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:29,839
future development. Approval could
encourage similar applications on other

650
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:34,240
properties in the area. If additional
dwellings become common on existing

651
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,920
2-acre lots, the character and density
of the neighborhood could change

652
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:42,240
significantly without subdivision or
corresponding infrastructure planning.

653
00:44:40,319 --> 00:44:46,960
This would have serious implications for
roadways and infrastructure funded by RM

654
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:50,640
tax dollars. For these reasons, I
respectfully request that council deny

655
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:55,680
the application in order to maintain the
low density neighborhood expected by

656
00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Lacule residents. Thank you for my for
considering my concerns, Corin and Aaron

657
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:08,800
Barley. That is the first email and this
was the followup.

658
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Um, this came after the public hearing
for point two. I would like to clarify a

659
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:17,200
statement from a letter I previously
submitted to council. There are legal

660
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,359
caveats registered on land titles
relating to both the shared driveway and

661
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:25,440
the and the well. What I should have
been more clearly stated is that there

662
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:29,680
have has not been a separate verbal,
written or written agreement between the

663
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:34,319
parties regarding how the terms of the
well agreement are to be applied in

664
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:39,760
practice. Specifically with respect to
financial contribution from 174 PRU for

665
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:43,680
regular regular use of the well and
associated maintenance costs as

666
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,680
contemplated in registered well
agreement. We will refresh this

667
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:51,839
discussion with David Parent in hopes of
coming to an agreement. My apologies for

668
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:55,920
any confusion caused by my earlier
wording. Copies of the registered caveat

669
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:58,960
can be obtained through Manitoba land
titles.

670
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,760
Um
>> you um just read the email from Janice

671
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:09,200
as well first.
>> Yes. So as for the information which is

672
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:15,359
from the water office of the water
drinking water um the existing shared

673
00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:20,480
well agreement cannot be simply assumed
adequate. One of the key things here is

674
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:23,920
it considered a semi-public it is
considered a semi-public water system

675
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:28,000
because it services more than one
residential connection. Even though it

676
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:33,200
services four or fewer residential
connections, it would need review as the

677
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:38,160
old shared well agreement and well
record does not demonstrate that the

678
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:43,359
well can be reliably accommodate
additional demand because of the age and

679
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:47,359
proposed use. It would be up to the
owners to show that the registered

680
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:51,920
caveat shared well agreement site plan
available well records and contact

681
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:56,000
information for the water system owner
before providing further direction as

682
00:46:53,839 --> 00:47:02,960
adding a secondary suite would need
review. Essentially the caveat by itself

683
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:05,960
does not establish adequate servicing.
Okay,

684
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:15,920
» that's what I received from the
>> We also had comments.

685
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:19,760
» And can I also add something? Hold on.
>> So, just before for the public comments,

686
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,319
we also had the operations manager and
the richer fire chief who expressed no

687
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,200
concerns.
>> Um, so that was relayed in the first

688
00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:31,000
public hearing, but I I feel should also
be

689
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:31,000
» No, it's in here in the same

690
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:38,240
» Go ahead. Okay, Dave.
>> Um, I also the so if that letter was

691
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:42,800
from the province, um, I would like to
think that the email from Janice to the

692
00:47:40,720 --> 00:47:47,040
province did not mention that the
infrastructure and piping that I will be

693
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:51,599
using is current and has already been
existed and it is not new infrastructure

694
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:54,720
because that is relevant to the ODW
office of drinking water.

695
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:58,960
» No, but the mobile home is
>> it that that's not their it's the piping

696
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:03,680
that's already there that they care
about. And so that's why I suggest that

697
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:09,839
we keep condition six that requires me
to get all provincial um what however

698
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,359
» that's right. So I would like remove two
and three but we can keep six because

699
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,480
that takes care of that matter anyways.
>> Okay.

700
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:21,920
» But okay but what she's talking about is
the existing wealth that exists right

701
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,559
now is may or may not be adequate.
>> That's right. But that's

702
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:27,599
» because it's been in there since 19
whatever 74.

703
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:30,720
» What I'm
>> at least 1990.

704
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:34,559
» What I'm well whenever
>> what I'm disputing out of that is that

705
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:39,440
regulation from the ODW has came into
effect after 1990 because that

706
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:43,760
infrastructure that's already there
>> has already been there prior to that new

707
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:48,079
regulation put in by the ODW. That's why
I'm saying let's let matter six

708
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:52,880
» take care of it.
>> Okay. Just clear though that that that

709
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:56,720
was never two residents. Now you're
asking for two residents.

710
00:48:54,480 --> 00:49:03,200
» You may have had in conjunction two
residents, but from our perspective that

711
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,640
property has never had two residential
buildings on it.

712
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,520
» Yes.
>> Right. So let's be clear that that's

713
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,119
it's not the same.
>> That's why

714
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:15,200
» that that's that is this is a different
environment. This now puts a second

715
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:19,040
residential property on it.
Again, I'm I'm not disagreeing with you,

716
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,800
but let's be clear. It's not the same.
>> I that I understand, but the the

717
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:27,599
infrastructure has never been removed
and it's been continuously in use since

718
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:31,440
the home itself has been removed, but
the infrastructure or the inground water

719
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:34,880
pipes have never changed and have
continued to be in use this entire time

720
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,359
since 1990
>> as as a single family.

721
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,680
» As a single family.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, let's be clear. Yeah.

722
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:47,489
So,
>> any more questions?

723
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:51,040
No. Is there a way to test
[clears throat] the existing like to

724
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:55,280
have that information to know that the
well is sufficient the ODW?

725
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,520
» Yes. Yeah. The province will require
that anyway. So we

726
00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:01,280
» which would be number six.
>> That's it.

727
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:04,800
» They have to do an adequate service
testing on the well. Yeah. So the

728
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,599
province will send someone to do that
and then provide them with the

729
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,400
information if it will be accepted or
not.

730
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:13,680
» Yeah.
>> And so and it's not our responsibility

731
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:17,040
anyway. So it it ask.
>> That's right.

732
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:20,079
» That doesn't matter.
>> Yeah.

733
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,640
» Well, they never asked me to.
>> Yeah.

734
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:26,559
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, that again in her

735
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,000
» once again is a conversation that you
have to have with that.

736
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:35,520
» She should have that with me, not send
it to a letter. It's false information.

737
00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:38,559
» So, does the province, sorry, does the
province like require this before we

738
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,640
move forward with any even decision?
They have to do testing before they can

739
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:42,720
tap in.
>> So the direction I got from them was

740
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,960
that they
>> that's out of our hands even.

741
00:50:44,079 --> 00:50:49,760
» Yes.
>> But they taking charge of this

742
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:54,480
possibility of the new development to
have provide the proper water and waste

743
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,559
water too. So the province takes care of
that

744
00:50:54,800 --> 00:51:00,079
» in order to move forward with you adding
your secondary dwelling. You will have

745
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:03,359
to provide them with that information.
Yeah. They will do all their servicing

746
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:05,440
and testing and then give you a yes or
no.

747
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,599
» They would also be looking after the
wastewater side of things. Then we'd

748
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:10,800
have to approve it.
>> Yeah. Right.

749
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:15,520
» So it would suggest that we put this uh
not not adjourned but uh

750
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:18,960
» well we can
think

751
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:21,920
» and have that condition that they have
to meet that

752
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:24,160
» requirement for the well testing
>> like yeah

753
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:28,720
» all provincial requirements is what
those generally agreement says all all

754
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:32,640
requirements which includes the septical
requirement. I'm just a little bit

755
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:36,079
concerned uh in the general scope of
things, not very specifically you, but

756
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:41,280
we have to think big picture is that
there are the issue of two agreements, a

757
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:46,079
driveway agreement and a shared well
agreement that need to be in I would

758
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:52,720
assume good order and I'm not sure they
are right. And that's my concern is that

759
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:56,960
to prove this like I that's not
>> well but the shared driveway agreement

760
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,480
» but this is not our responsibility. It's
it's a legal legal between the two.

761
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:03,680
» That's a similar matter.
>> Well, we require them

762
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,960
» and so does lawyers.
>> Yeah.

763
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:11,720
» Yeah. We require them for
>> I'm not I don't think that would be a

764
00:52:12,319 --> 00:52:19,680
» Yeah.
>> I think overall we were somewhat misled

765
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:23,040
that there was no shared
>> agreements which they both existed. So I

766
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,599
don't think we would have gone up to
where we've been

767
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:33,839
» if if we didn't have that misleading
information. That's my take on it. But

768
00:52:30,319 --> 00:52:37,280
» so and and and by
good faith in regard to knowing that you

769
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:42,160
couldn't assess the first meeting and so
on. We're doing that today. It's just to

770
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:47,280
listen to the information that we didn't
have first meeting. No question about

771
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:52,559
that. I think we got a lot of clarity
today that helps us to revisit the the

772
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:56,000
decision.
So if there is a no more question in

773
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:59,440
regard to all these
>> well I think because it's a new

774
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,000
» well secondary dwelling.
>> Okay.

775
00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:06,400
» Um and there is a shared will agreement
that there's obviously laps and there is

776
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,000
no proper agreement that we could
request that an agreement be in place.

777
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:14,079
» We but there's there is a proper
agreement though. Yeah. It hasn't lap.

778
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:16,720
Oh, no. Well, this Sorry, maybe that was
the wrong

779
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:19,720
» way to put it that
>> um

780
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:27,520
it hasn't been properly
um

781
00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:31,760
» well, I think I think what what needs to
happen now, our hands are tied. They

782
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:34,079
need to satisfy six whatever the thing
is with the province that they have to

783
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,200
go get the testing done before we can
even make a decision.

784
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:39,839
» No, we can make a decision. We can make
>> But we can make a decision with that

785
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,520
condition because they have that
information.

786
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:48,559
» We make a decision. Yes,
>> based on that condition that that's fair

787
00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:52,000
enough that not our not us.
>> I think it it relieves us from

788
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:56,000
responsibility in regard to make a
decision of how we want them to handle

789
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,160
the wealth because the province making
that decision

790
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,000
» 100%. That's
>> but one of the complaints was that

791
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:05,680
» regardless.
>> Yeah. One of the complaints we had was

792
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,599
that there was no payments or
>> cost

793
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:11,680
between
we look at everybody's complaints too.

794
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:15,200
» Yeah.
>> Right. We look at lighting.

795
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:20,760
» What's the cost of running a pump? A
well pump

796
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,760
25

797
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:27,599
replace a pump.
>> No, replacing the pump is different.

798
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:32,800
» We're talking about going cost
>> electricity every month.

799
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:34,319
Sorry guys. tower.
>> Yeah, it does.

800
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,040
» Sorry guys.
>> The entire drive from my

801
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:40,559
» That's the thing. I think that's one of
the condition for you not having a cost

802
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:44,240
in the world in regards to have them
using clean driveway.

803
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:47,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. You see that on a map?

804
00:54:47,359 --> 00:54:50,880
» Like
>> the part that branches off,

805
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:57,359
» right?
>> So to me, if she would to me ever Yeah.

806
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,800
Well, that's this is what I'm doing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And and that's why it is

807
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:05,359
» new
and shared by way and

808
00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:08,319
» if you look at both of them they've been
in place for the same date for the same

809
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:11,839
year
>> from the beginning. I think had those

810
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:14,960
been provided to us at the first
meeting, it would have been

811
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:19,040
» Yeah.
>> Bill would have been having the province

812
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:23,440
approved that the wild capability to
service another property and uh

813
00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,839
» I'm glad you guys came in because I
think differently like I I do glad you

814
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:32,880
guys came in to talk to us. If council
would like to still address once we've

815
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:36,559
rescended the previous approval, we can
have the condition be uh that the

816
00:55:35,359 --> 00:55:40,400
property owner is responsible for
ensuring the necess the necessary shared

817
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:44,800
driveway and shared well agreements are
in place um are reviewed in light of the

818
00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:47,839
intensification of the use.
>> That's all.

819
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:52,400
» So that way it's still outlined that it
is the responsibility of the applicants

820
00:55:49,599 --> 00:55:56,079
to to initiate those discussions, but
that's between the parties involved, not

821
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,280
» the driveway is on their property. that
that's that's an illegal ask. That's

822
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,599
» regardless, the use is being
intensified. So, we want to make sure

823
00:56:01,839 --> 00:56:07,280
that both parties are protected and
we're putting the responsibility on the

824
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:12,160
owners to have that conversation and
update if required for for both parties.

825
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:15,839
That's a suggestion for council if you
feel that would be appropriate to

826
00:56:13,839 --> 00:56:19,359
mitigate the land use conflicts in this
situation.

827
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:23,119
» I think the province will satisfy that.
We're talking about just

828
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:27,359
» I know
>> I would like to reiterate something that

829
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:31,280
I've already said in this meeting. Um so
something like that would not be a legal

830
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:36,559
ask from council because that is a
private matter outside of this room and

831
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:40,799
that's what 106 subsection 1B talks
about. You cannot make us do something

832
00:56:38,799 --> 00:56:45,839
like that. stuff
>> and I agree because then the release of

833
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:52,799
of responsibility in regard to the
understanding they have between

834
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:56,000
» but they also don't have to approve the
entire thing. Yeah.

835
00:56:53,839 --> 00:57:01,359
» So let's keep that in mind.
>> It's it's my understanding there's a

836
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:05,200
large shop on the property that I assume
has water service to it. So we're not

837
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:08,319
getting all the information.
>> Where did you get this?

838
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,440
» Like there's no stamp on it. There's no
That's my letter that I prepared. But

839
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:16,160
you look upro
>> I wrote that.

840
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:18,400
» Um is there is there water usage on that
in that shop?

841
00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:21,760
» Yes.
>> What's now? So now you got four

842
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:25,280
dwellings on one.
>> Yeah. What's that? A dwelling

843
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:31,440
» or sorry sorry four buildings on one
well. So your garage that has a air

844
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:35,680
compressor like your car that's for
>> it's considered a connection

845
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:41,760
» if it's if if it's but if it's if it's
attached to the house it's not

846
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:47,440
» at this point if if the province is
going to take the charge of of checking

847
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:52,160
that the the well is sufficient to
supply another dwelling unit. I think

848
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:58,400
that's all we need to worry about.
>> Yeah. So yeah, I I think it was really

849
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:02,480
good information that we lacked we got
today and so on. I think I don't know if

850
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:06,160
there is anything else. I think we could
close the hearing and have a discussion

851
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:09,440
and make a decision in regard provided
we don't need more information. That's

852
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:12,880
the only thing I want to make sure of is
we don't close the hearing thinking we

853
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:16,160
need more information and have to do it
again. If we had

854
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:20,400
» the hearing,
>> we could receive more information

855
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:24,640
» and and I don't know if we I'm just
cautious that we don't we don't jump too

856
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,920
quickly to deciding we have all the
information we need to make a decision.

857
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:32,559
» I would like to know I would like to see
if we can actually

858
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:35,839
» put make an agreement come into place
between them

859
00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:38,559
» or cost share on the well that's it's
binding.

860
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,720
» That's I don't think we could do that.
But well,

861
00:58:39,359 --> 00:58:46,240
» I mean there's more information that we
could figure out legally do it right or

862
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:50,880
do it correctly. Okay.
>> And probably Janice can help us here. We

863
00:58:48,799 --> 00:58:54,799
do as part of our responsibilities get
to say whether or not people need

864
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,599
agreements, right?
>> And yes, have to make sure we're just

865
00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:04,480
following the proper protocol.
>> Yeah. That we say you have to have an an

866
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:07,760
acceptable Yeah. So, one already exists
though. But yeah, again, and whether

867
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,599
that's acceptable or not is is the
question, right? And again, we don't get

868
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:14,960
to it's not up to us to review that, but
we get to require we get to require the

869
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,880
legal document.
>> Yes.

870
00:59:15,359 --> 00:59:23,119
» Right. We get to require the legal
document for both a driveway uh a I

871
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:26,400
guess current and and legal document.
What's the right term for

872
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:28,799
» And we want to make sure we receive all
of the information.

873
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:34,799
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with

874
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,040
that. again because again is it current
again this is the question

875
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:41,119
» it's not current obviously
>> is it current and legal if you change

876
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:44,880
the use of the land you made this as two
single as two single I I don't not

877
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,160
looking for input from you guys just
asking my fellow counselors

878
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:52,240
» whether that
>> because we're changing the use of the

879
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:55,920
property from single fing from a single
dwelling to two dwellings

880
00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:01,839
» but in a case
>> do they own that what we're looking for

881
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:05,599
I think is to ensure that those those
agreements ments are you know that we're

882
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:10,160
going to make sure that they're
consistent though we've made that change

883
01:00:08,079 --> 01:00:15,119
» are those documents again how that is
applied so anyway just that's the

884
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:19,839
concern so I'm again we're we're
requiring we're relying on the other

885
01:00:18,319 --> 01:00:23,160
entities to ensure that that the other
legal part

886
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:29,200
» okay
any more question for

887
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:32,640
» are you suggesting that we adjourn and
not close

888
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:36,799
» I I'm actually looking time of year. I I
think adjourning is just laying things.

889
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:41,119
» I mean, that's fine. I don't mind.
>> No, I think we could make a decision.

890
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:44,400
There's no question about it's all with
the provin responsibility and so on. I

891
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:49,760
mean,
>> yeah, they still have to do the testing.

892
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,839
» Well, we can Yeah.
>> No, I I I think we should

893
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,880
» You would not support the
>> I would support Randy and say we should

894
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:58,559
» I'm not clear. No, I'm not I'm not
saying that. I I'm just asking those

895
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,160
questions of council before we before we
make that decision. And I'm just I'm

896
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:04,240
going to ask administration. Do you have
a view on whether we should adjourn or

897
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:10,319
close?
>> This last this last

898
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:14,079
uh clause in the well-shared agreement.
The right privileges and easements

899
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:20,799
hereby grant and conferred upon granter
of the grantee are and shall be of the

900
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:26,240
same force and effect to all intents and
purposes as a covenant running with the

901
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:31,040
land to this grant of easement including
all covenants and conditions here and

902
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:36,160
contained shall extend to be binding
upon. So to me it runs with the land.

903
01:01:33,839 --> 01:01:40,240
» But but but the land's changing is is
again I'm not I'm not the lawyer here.

904
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:45,760
Sure. use of the land is changing. If
you built again I'm using the they sort

905
01:01:43,119 --> 01:01:51,680
of this is a caution is that if we had
approved a

906
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:56,160
four-story multi-use development there
does that well agreement still stand if

907
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,520
we'd approved a gas station there a car
wash

908
01:01:56,640 --> 01:02:03,359
» and that did the province will
not you guys it's up to office of

909
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:06,079
drinking water which is the province
which is clause six which I'm asking to

910
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,079
say
>> and that's

911
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:14,799
and I played the I'll play the role as
the tenant that's beside that they're

912
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:20,240
using my water take for example now if I
had to share the cost of the well and

913
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:24,000
now now we have four or three party to
the share of the well so that's good

914
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,160
because now if there is an improvement
to the well because the well failed in

915
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:33,119
two years now I only have to share the
cost of the third of the cost because we

916
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:36,160
have an agreement for three dwelling
>> anyway I we can leave it for the lawyers

917
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,640
I think that the lawyers are the only
ones

918
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:42,160
» so I would share it for sure because now
I know if I need a new well. I only pay

919
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:47,359
the third of it because there's two
there's three dwelling on the well. So

920
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:53,040
there's two side of the story. There's
the the tenant that a new request and

921
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:57,839
the one who owns the well.
>> But that's not how it works though.

922
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:00,160
» It's an agreement that they have to come
and that would be the agreement that I

923
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,480
would have.
>> That's what it says. That's true.

924
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:11,760
» Yeah. I think the clarification that's
needed for that document is does the

925
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:15,839
original shared well agreement from 1990
take into consideration the

926
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:16,880
intensification that is now going to
happen.

927
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,680
» Yeah.
>> And I I'm not sure it does.

928
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:25,760
» No,
>> I personally believe I personally don't

929
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:30,160
believe that we as a council have the
right to change a well agreement

930
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:33,280
» that is between the two parties.
>> That's right. We have an existing well

931
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:37,440
agreement that's between the province
and the two parties and I just don't

932
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:39,760
believe that we have the the right.
We're overstepping our bounds.

933
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,119
» Yeah,
>> that's what

934
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:48,000
» well with any intensification or lawyer
about a new I agreement.

935
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:52,400
» I I just can't imagine I can't imagine
that extended or added usage is

936
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:56,000
something that they have to agree on and
if it's a civil matter then they have to

937
01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,400
hire their own lawyers to take care of
that.

938
01:03:58,079 --> 01:04:05,920
Yeah.
Everybody knows well agreement.

939
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,200
» I just don't believe we have any legal
right to

940
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,200
» Yeah.
>> to force them to do anything.

941
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:13,440
» But do you know or you just
>> I'm I'm I'm

942
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:17,760
» You're not a lawyer though, right?
>> It doesn't matter. It It's Sometimes

943
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:19,760
when you take a look at at contracts,
it's common sense.

944
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:22,640
» Yeah.
>> And and it's common sense on that one.

945
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,960
» Yep.
>> Yeah.

946
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:31,760
And I I think if if we inquire with our
lawyer, I'll bet you any money that

947
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:36,160
they'll tell us that we cannot
change a civil agreement.

948
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:38,240
» We cannot we don't have the right and
with the clause that the government

949
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:42,720
» well
>> I mean this is covering all they take

950
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:46,079
responsibility. We're off the hook. It's
not for us to decide do they have good

951
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:48,799
water? Did he use the neighbor?
>> Yeah.

952
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:52,799
» I mean we want to protect the neighbors
and so on.

953
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:58,000
» I think you read the understanding. I
mean, the the fact that you have an

954
01:04:55,359 --> 01:05:02,880
email from the neighbor saying they're
okay with it. It's an email. I have to

955
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,880
believe that it's legit.
>> Text

956
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:14,480
came back to I think between them, I
think there's a better relationship that

957
01:05:11,839 --> 01:05:18,039
we thought was there.
>> That's how I see it.

958
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:25,440
» Yeah.
>> We maintain that. Yeah. So they're like,

959
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:29,760
"Okay, well, I guess my your 50 bucks I
want every year, you're probably pay pay

960
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:33,119
for the solar."
>> Yeah.

961
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:37,920
» Yeah. And that's a like you said, it's a
matter between you guys and and she said

962
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:41,920
or he whoever the the letter, the note
that we got, it sounds like you guys are

963
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,200
going to come up with an agreement in
regard.

964
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:46,960
» A lot of it was
>> the province will impose anyway the

965
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:51,039
condition of the water and the supply of
the water. the province will state that

966
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:55,200
and they don't have a choice. They can't
do it until the province said, "We're

967
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:58,160
now you do this, you do that, you comply
to this, you go ahead."

968
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:03,839
» Right. For me,
>> I looked it up for the annual cost for

969
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:07,839
hydro for a well is between 35 and $90
per year.

970
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:12,160
» Oh, there you go.
>> driveway. So, I think the relationship

971
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:16,640
between them not having an an argument
is because I got in my driveway, you got

972
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:20,000
my well. Okay. Mhm.
>> And that's it.

973
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:24,319
» Average are running two hours per day.
>> Yeah. I just I just feel like that's

974
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:27,920
that's an amendment issue between you
you two that has nothing to do with us.

975
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,520
» We've been
>> Yeah.

976
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,079
» Yeah.
>> I don't know.

977
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:37,599
» So, I think we're going around again and
I don't think there is any question or

978
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:41,599
update that we need to ask or we get
ready to close the hearing and go on to

979
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:47,280
make a decision or
>> I would move that we close the hearing.

980
01:06:43,359 --> 01:06:54,319
I'll second that. Okay. S close. Second
by Stalwick. All in favor? Thank you.

981
01:06:51,760 --> 01:07:01,160
Then now we're going to make a decision
and get back to you. Uh

982
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,160
okay,

983
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:10,359
we're willing to make a decision now.
We're going to deal with it. You could

984
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,359
wait and hear our discussion.

985
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:19,920
Firstly, we had the variation order for
um reason subdivision.

986
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:23,440
» I'll move that we approve the
variation order.

987
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:29,920
» Second sir.
>> Okay. So this is moved by and second by

988
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,559
Stalwick. That's to vary the
>> more discussion

989
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:36,079
» to vary the minimum west sideyard
setback requirement from 25 ft to

990
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:39,839
approximately 13 feet for the existing
deck and the minimum west sideyard

991
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:43,359
requirement from 25 ft to approximately
9.9 ft for the existing shed as a

992
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:48,319
condition of their subdivision
application for property located at

993
01:07:45,359 --> 01:07:53,680
31086 road 43 north in the northeast
quarter of section 5 township range six

994
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,960
in an areas zoned agriculture.
>> Perfect. Any more discussion on that

995
01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:05,400
one? Everybody else in favor and this
one is approved. Moving on to the

996
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,400
second, the 1426.

997
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,920
» I'll make a motion that we make those
amendments.

998
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:15,280
» I'm going to read it. And
>> so the I've kind of drafted a whole

999
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:18,960
bunch of stuff at the bottom there. So
we we might need to tailor it.

1000
01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:21,679
» So that's the after the last four.
>> Essentially, well, what I'm hearing from

1001
01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:24,480
council is we want to resend the
original resolution to be able to make

1002
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:30,560
changes. Correct.
>> Okay. So that's the first thing. Um so

1003
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:35,120
so uh where and whereas a notice of
motion was made by council stwick to

1004
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:41,679
reconsider resolution 2026450 respecting
the hearing decision for condition use

1005
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:47,040
number 17-26 made on August 12th 2026 be
it resolved that council and then you

1006
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:55,199
can skip to the resin the original
decision made by resolution 2026450 and

1007
01:08:50,799 --> 01:09:02,080
the conditional use order 17-26B
approved with the following conditions.

1008
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:05,440
» So here um the use of the property be
for permanent residential use only

1009
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:09,920
unless otherwise permitted by the
municipality. Um so again the terms uh

1010
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:14,400
that was something that was included in
the first one but it was very restricted

1011
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:18,560
to only like Airbnb like can't be used
that which is it's basically saying the

1012
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:23,120
same thing just using broader language.
Um the second based on the conversations

1013
01:09:20,719 --> 01:09:27,839
here, the municipality does need and
does have the right to impose a

1014
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:31,359
condition that all dwellings are
serviced by water, portable water. So

1015
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:34,560
here the property owner is responsible
for ensuring the necessary provisions

1016
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:37,839
are in place for portable water to
service the property, whatever that

1017
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:41,199
might be. Is that something that
council?

1018
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:46,480
» That's that's good wording. I like that.
Now, did we want to address that the

1019
01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:50,159
property owner is um recommended to
update the shared well and driveway

1020
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:51,679
agreements or no?
>> So,

1021
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:55,760
» I don't think we need to.
>> Shared driveway agreement and shared

1022
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:59,360
well agreement in place are reviewed in
light of the intensification of the use

1023
01:09:57,679 --> 01:10:02,400
to the satisfaction of all parties
involved.

1024
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,040
» I I think that's fair because now they
have

1025
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:09,520
» three properties on there being used.
>> Sounds like it's not a big deal. So

1026
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:13,840
they're
>> so the property owner is recommended to

1027
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:17,440
have the shared well uh shared driveway
agreement and shared well agreement in

1028
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:20,239
place reviewed. So that would be your
responsibility to start the conversation

1029
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,760
if that means talking to your neighbors.
>> You said recommend it. Whoa, whoa, whoa,

1030
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:25,280
whoa.
>> Correct. Yeah. So now, does council want

1031
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:30,640
to require or recommend? Because council
can require portable water be on the

1032
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:33,600
property, right? But again, I don't know
that the municipality.

1033
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:35,920
» We could only recommend.
>> We could only recommend.

1034
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:37,760
» I think they're already in conversations
with their neighbors.

1035
01:10:36,719 --> 01:10:41,679
» I'm fine with recommend.
>> Yeah, I just recommend.

1036
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:45,520
» And and and these these people here, I
apologize,

1037
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:49,040
» are they already are okay with it. If
the other if the other party

1038
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,960
» if the other party has an issue with it,
they're the one that have to initiate.

1039
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:54,320
» Yeah.
>> And all we do is recommend

1040
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:57,199
» not a requirement at that anyway.
>> Yeah. Which you're already in

1041
01:10:55,440 --> 01:10:59,440
discussions with him anyways. Clearly
text. So

1042
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:02,480
» all
>> and then the other two conditions I

1043
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:05,440
believe were in the original. So the
applicant's responsible for ensuring the

1044
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,159
secondary suite is situated and designed
with a driveway that allows reasonable

1045
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,440
access for emergency vehicles and
services. And finally, the applicant is

1046
01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:14,960
responsible for being in full compliance
with the requirements of all federal,

1047
01:11:13,199 --> 01:11:18,960
provincial, and municipal authorities at
all times, including obtaining any

1048
01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:22,640
required permits, approvals, and
achieving building code compliance. That

1049
01:11:20,719 --> 01:11:26,400
would include the well, the water um
satisfying office of the drinking water,

1050
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:31,040
manageable environment, and conservation
for the wastewater, um any other kind of

1051
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:34,239
manageable hydro requirements for the
electricity. That covers everything that

1052
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:38,280
they might need from other jurisdictions
as well as our own. Okay.

1053
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:45,920
I would
>> you move that to Judg

1054
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:49,120
by Stalwick.
I already moved it.

1055
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:50,320
» Oh, you already moved it. Yeah, it's
he's

1056
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:54,159
» then you second.
>> Sure.

1057
01:11:50,800 --> 01:12:01,040
» So Stalwick moves a second. Any more
question then? Seeing none, everybody's

1058
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:06,080
in favor then Carrie.
>> So then you got your request. Thank you.

1059
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,679
» Thanks for coming in you guys.
>> For sure. Randy.

1060
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:11,040
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1061
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» Evan's going to pop by. Absolutely.
Okay. Yeah. Um,

1062
01:12:14,719 --> 01:12:20,400
» yes. [clears throat]
>> All right. So, I think that was the last

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01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:22,560
of the Do we want to join the meeting or
not?

1064
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,760
» I just want to bring something to
council's attention after

1065
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,400
» and I wanted to just further discussion
as well

1066
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:32,320
» in the meeting. Well, I just about this
issue just I would

1067
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,960
» during the live streamed meeting or as
an aside because

1068
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:39,760
» an aside I don't need like it's not
doesn't require a vote or anything.

1069
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:46,640
» We close the meeting or turn second
whatever you call it. So including

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second by I