[0:01] and start the meeting. We will start
[0:03] with the pledge of allegiance.
[0:06] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:09] United States of America and to the
[0:11] republic for which it stands, one nation
[0:15] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:18] justice for all.
[0:22] » Moving on to roll call.
[0:26] >> Commissioner Benner
[0:27] >> here. Commissioner Hooper
[0:29] >> here.
[0:30] >> Commissioner Buckeye
[0:31] >> here.
[0:31] >> Commissioner Tucker
[0:32] >> here.
[0:33] >> And Alderman um Leazison Patrick Fehey
[0:37] is absent. So we have a quorum.
[0:40] >> Okay. Moving on to the approval of the
[0:43] agenda for tonight's meeting.
[0:45] >> So uh before before we uh do an approval
[0:48] for the agenda, I want to make a couple
[0:50] changes. One, I want to remove the I
[0:53] left this on there, the August 17th,
[0:55] 2026 minutes. So, we're just going to
[0:57] strike that out. Also, under new
[1:01] business item 8, um the first one there,
[1:05] SGHC029-26
[1:08] is misnumbered.
[1:10] The uh rather than I'm hoping it's going
[1:13] to be 034-26,
[1:17] but I don't know that yet. Uh that's
[1:19] just an internal tracking number for us
[1:21] anyway, but I did want it to be
[1:22] reflected on the record. So, uh, I'll be
[1:26] inserting the correct number into that,
[1:28] uh, once I put it back in the system and
[1:30] it gives me a new number. Um, but that's
[1:32] all the changes I have.
[1:39] I'll make motion to approve the agenda.
[1:42] >> I'll [clears throat] second.
[1:43] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to
[1:45] approve the amended agenda. All in
[1:47] favor?
[1:49] >> I. Any opposed?
[1:53] Okay, moving on to the approval of
[1:54] minutes from our last meeting of August
[1:56] 26th, 2026.
[2:22] Are you going to make that change?
[2:24] >> Yes, I will be making a change on the on
[2:26] the back page. Looks like you're all
[2:28] looking at it. Um third line down, it's
[2:31] not president, it's precedent. So, I
[2:34] will be making that change.
[2:40] » I will make a motion to approve with the
[2:43] modified change. Second. Okay, I have a
[2:47] motion and a second to approve the
[2:49] minutes from the last meeting with the
[2:50] modification of the spelling. All in
[2:53] favor?
[2:54] >> I. Any opposed?
[2:58] » Okay, moving on to the introduction of
[3:00] evidence.
[3:01] >> I would like to uh have entered into
[3:03] evidence the St. Genevie Municipal Code,
[3:06] the um Heritage Commission guide design
[3:09] guidelines for the city of St. Genevieve
[3:12] uh National Register District and the um
[3:17] all of the submitted evidence and
[3:20] applications with each case before you
[3:22] tonight.
[3:23] >> Motion to approve the uh evidence.
[3:25] Second. [clears throat]
[3:26] >> I have a motion and a second to accept
[3:28] the evidence. All in favor?
[3:30] >> I.
[3:31] >> Any opposed?
[3:34] Okay, moving on to old business.
[3:39] Okay. So, um the walking tour uh mobile
[3:43] app grant uh they'll be having their
[3:47] final public forum on Thursday uh
[3:50] September 24th. Um, and that's uh right
[3:53] before our city count a little bit
[3:54] before our city council or sorry board
[3:56] of alderman meeting uh here at city hall
[3:59] in this room at 3 p.m. So uh they're required to have so many public
[4:03] forums and this will be the final one so
[4:05] that we can get moving on with the
[4:07] project.
[4:09] Uh next item up uh the the next year's
[4:13] grant which is the GIS historic data
[4:15] layer update. Um really there's no further updates. uh we're
[4:20] filling out some some more paperwork
[4:22] now. So, we're kind of in that paperwork
[4:23] process um with the state to finalize
[4:26] everything. So, it still kind of is at
[4:28] the same stance that it was except we
[4:29] are filling out some more additional
[4:31] paperwork. So, as soon as I get any more
[4:33] information, I'll pass that along.
[4:37] And the next item um was from uh two
[4:42] meetings ago. Um so, it's at 288.
[4:46] Actually, it's a vacant lot between 288
[4:48] and 296 South Main Street. And this is a
[4:50] resubmitt. Um, so if you look at um it's
[4:54] original application. Um, however, I did
[4:57] alter my [clears throat] um report to
[5:02] show um
[5:06] what they are submitting for approval.
[5:08] Um, as you can see there, uh, what
[5:11] [clears throat] you all asked them to
[5:12] do. Uh if you remember what was there
[5:14] before in the picture there before was
[5:16] kind of like a a gamble type roof uh
[5:20] narrower structure. Um totally different
[5:24] style. Um the other one that that did
[5:27] get approved looks almost identical to
[5:30] this. Um and they did include uh a
[5:33] picture of what the material is and it's
[5:36] actually wood. Okay.
[5:38] >> So that is a wood material so it's not
[5:40] fake. So um yeah, obviously it's not
[5:43] full log, but um that that is the
[5:46] material type on both structures.
[5:48] >> Okay. So they are resubmitting that uh
[5:52] before you tonight. Um and I feel that
[5:54] they they've met the requirements of
[5:56] asking what you all have wanted from
[5:58] them, they are here. Uh if you have any
[6:01] questions for them, um they are here if
[6:03] you have any questions.
[6:04] >> Thank you.
[6:07] >> I thank you for putting together this
[6:08] package. Their request is I think we're
[6:12] it's very nicely done.
[6:15] >> Make a motion for presented.
[6:17] >> What a question.
[6:19] >> Just coming here in case you guys got
[6:20] any questions. You're a fun group to
[6:22] talk to.
[6:22] >> Sorry, it's all me.
[6:24] >> Wasn't there one we denied for the faux
[6:27] log sighting?
[6:28] >> No,
[6:30] >> it was the one. No, that was the one
[6:31] that he was talking about that looked
[6:33] like a shed.
[6:33] >> It was turned the other direction and it
[6:35] was just
[6:36] >> a different make sure we were being
[6:37] consistent. This This is almost
[6:39] identical to the one we approved.
[6:41] >> The one you like?
[6:42] >> This was the sighting that we did like.
[6:45] >> Was that like that Dutch?
[6:48] >> Well, we thought the siding was fake. I
[6:50] thought that that was not real sighting.
[6:52] So, we were like, "Well, that ain't
[6:53] good." Then I went and actually looked
[6:54] at it, knocked on it, and it's Yeah,
[6:57] it's real. It's real log siding,
[6:59] >> right? I Yeah. I just wanted to double
[7:01] check cuz I started
[7:02] >> And then I We modified the other house.
[7:04] >> This is the one.
[7:05] >> It's going to be That's the one. That's
[7:07] the first one,
[7:07] >> right? Yeah, it was the first one.
[7:09] >> No, it's been changed to the
[7:10] >> I don't necessarily mean them. I mean,
[7:12] has the board seen one before that we
[7:15] have denied?
[7:16] >> I don't recall.
[7:17] >> I don't remember. Okay. I just remember
[7:19] it coming up before and I just wanted to
[7:20] make sure that we were being consistent.
[7:22] >> Yeah. I don't think so.
[7:24] >> Okay.
[7:25] >> I was say especially if it's new. Now,
[7:27] if it was trying to match a replacement,
[7:29] that would be a totally different story.
[7:31] Yeah.
[7:34] >> That was it. I'm sorry. I'm a child.
[7:37] Yeah.
[7:37] >> Okay.
[7:39] I like to make a motion to approve it as
[7:41] presented.
[7:43] [clears throat]
[7:47] » Somebody else has something else.
[7:52] » I have a motion to approve the amended
[7:56] certificate of appropriateness to
[7:57] construct the new home at the vacant lot
[7:59] between 288 and 296 South Main Street.
[8:03] Do I have a second?
[8:05] >> Second. Okay, I have a motion and a
[8:07] second to approve. All in favor?
[8:10] >> I I Any opposed?
[8:19] » I didn't hear you. Sorry.
[8:22] I didn't hear you. I'm sorry.
[8:26] [laughter] I didn't hear you. I
[8:27] just wanted to be sure. Yeah. The eyes
[8:30] have it.
[8:31] >> Okay, guys. So that's all you need for
[8:34] Thank you guys. Thank you.
[8:36] >> We'll be in touch with the permits.
[8:37] Okay.
[8:38] >> Well, thank you.
[8:39] >> Sorry, Wendy. I'm sorry.
[8:40] >> I didn't hear either. She's right next
[8:42] to you. I'm sorry. [laughter] Look at
[8:43] me. I'm What did I do?
[8:44] >> I just wanted to be
[8:53] handle this. Okay, moving on to
[8:57] the next item. to receive a certificate
[8:59] of appropriateness for the installation
[9:01] of vinyl windows in place of wood
[9:04] windows on the side and rear of the
[9:06] building at 145 Washington Street.
[9:10] >> Okay. So you have before you the
[9:12] application
[9:14] and my report there uh which shows a
[9:17] picture of of the the schoolhouse um as
[9:21] it's called and then uh they had
[9:23] submitted something for windows there
[9:25] but um the [clears throat] contractor uh
[9:29] Mr. Bayer there standing in front of us
[9:31] um brought this which this includes what
[9:35] they what they're now proposing not
[9:37] vinyl windows uh but this is a
[9:40] fiberglass type window that uh when when
[9:43] you really look at the finish of it has
[9:46] uh especially if you look at this top
[9:47] one here it has the wood look finish to
[9:49] it. Uh they're here to answer any
[9:52] questions you have about that
[9:53] installation. Um, and I'll pass this
[9:56] around so you guys can see that.
[10:00] >> And my apologies. I I had first told
[10:02] Alex we'll go with a vinyl type window,
[10:07] but um uh I'm all about the historic
[10:10] preservation. So my my point was vinyl
[10:14] is vinyl. It looks vinyl. Um, and Marvin
[10:19] comes out and Anderson as well have
[10:22] really good windows that have a lot of
[10:25] simulations to the wood. Um,
[10:27] >> seen these before.
[10:28] >> And [clears throat] anytime I'm dealing
[10:30] with a brick building or something like
[10:32] that, I I really get worried about the
[10:36] today's quality of wood. So, um, and I
[10:41] do understand that we have to have wood
[10:43] on the front. [clears throat]
[10:46] >> Or do we?
[10:49] >> At this point, yeah,
[10:52] I'm not going to fight with them.
[10:54] [laughter]
[11:03] That's just a brochure that uh the
[11:06] architect give me. just kind of give you
[11:09] the script
[11:10] >> and they will do them custom 6 over6
[11:13] exactly what's there. They'll replicate
[11:15] precisely what is already existing
[11:16] there.
[11:17] >> Yeah.
[11:18] >> So it would it not look like what it
[11:20] does now.
[11:27] » Yeah. Hopefully it won't fall apart like
[11:30] that.
[11:33] Fiberglass will last a long time.
[11:40] I think the way they are.
[11:45] [clears throat]
[11:45] >> Do we have any additional questions?
[12:03] » I'm just a big fan of wood.
[12:06] What's that?
[12:06] >> I I'm a huge fan of replacing the wood
[12:09] with the wood.
[12:10] >> Yeah.
[12:12] >> My my biggest thing honestly, Mark, in that is the quality of wood today.
[12:17] No, I and I
[12:19] >> and it it it it trust me as many years
[12:23] I've been doing this and watching
[12:26] today's wood, you know, um
[12:28] >> all the new growth wood,
[12:30] >> it it just you know, if you get 10 years
[12:32] out of out of a window anymore, you're doing great. and and and and it's
[12:38] sad, but [clears throat] that's why I've
[12:40] been on this hunt trying to, you know,
[12:43] everybody was doing vinyl vinyl and it's
[12:44] like it looks vinyl and it's like I Kim,
[12:49] is there something out there? And like I
[12:51] said, Marvin and I I believe Anderson
[12:54] are two of the companies that
[12:56] [clears throat] that um have a really
[12:59] good simulation of wood. And um and so
[13:03] that's kind of what I wanted to do was
[13:06] uh you know I know in the past that
[13:08] they've passed vinyls on the sides and
[13:11] the back, but
[13:12] >> we don't want to trash the building up.
[13:15] We want it to look as authentic as we
[13:17] can.
[13:17] >> Right.
[13:18] >> And these came recommended by the
[13:20] architect who does a lot of restoration
[13:22] of historic in St. Louis.
[13:24] >> Do you have any pictures of the windows
[13:27] as they are now that are in the
[13:29] building? You know,
[13:30] >> I went up and looked at
[13:32] >> Yeah,
[13:32] >> I'm sure I do.
[13:34] >> I probably do.
[13:35] >> This one right here, the whole front
[13:37] gone.
[13:37] >> Yeah, I know a couple of them are. I was
[13:39] just curious.
[13:41] [laughter]
[13:42] >> I mean, for the most part, most of them
[13:44] are in pretty decent shape. You just
[13:45] have a lot of really bad feeling paint.
[13:49] >> Uh the frames are gone [clears throat]
[13:52] and and most of them like on the
[13:55] >> Yeah. I mean, as I as I was looking at
[13:58] them.
[13:58] >> So, we have a few from a distance that
[14:00] you can zoom in on if you want to look
[14:02] at.
[14:04] >> Absolutely.
[14:05] >> Here's a few. I mean, it has a lot of
[14:07] windows is the other consideration. It
[14:09] was a schoolhouse, so it's all
[14:10] symmetrically
[14:12] >> windowed. There's like 15 or 16 of them,
[14:14] I think.
[14:15] >> I thought I took some the other day.
[14:18] >> And those are Oh, man. Yeah.
[14:29] And I can show you my
[14:33] » if you want.
[14:33] >> Yeah. No. Yeah. It's not working, is it?
[14:35] Yeah.
[14:37] >> Have some from the front.
[14:39] >> That whole side is supposed
[14:43] to side.
[14:44] >> Mhm.
[14:48] » Those are the same ones from the front.
[14:50] Oh, here's in the Oh, well, this is a
[14:52] different view of the side. Um, and the
[14:55] sort of front side. Yeah, this will show
[14:56] you some
[14:58] That's just the east side.
[15:03] The front two are particularly battered.
[15:17] » Anybody else want to see the existing
[15:18] windows?
[15:20] I touch something. [laughter]
[15:22] Anybody else want to see them? Do you
[15:23] need to see them? Do you want to see
[15:24] them?
[15:25] >> Yes. How far off are they from the left?
[15:26] >> You want to see the how far off?
[15:30] >> Well, it's the storm window in front of
[15:31] them. It's hard to see the
[15:32] >> picture in front of this.
[15:33] >> Right.
[15:34] >> I didn't see storms on them.
[15:37] >> They do. Well, some
[15:39] >> some of them had storm windows for
[15:41] probably 20 years.
[15:42] >> It's not too far off. Um but it's hard
[15:45] to see through the storm window,
[15:46] >> which is right. Yeah. So with hers
[15:49] a wooden window [clears throat]
[15:51] over the top
[15:52] >> right
[15:52] >> got
[15:53] >> and that whole side of the
[15:55] >> Yeah. Well, the whole thing is
[15:58] >> Yeah. That's that's one of the
[16:00] >> Yeah. Not a big fan of
[16:03] >> can be seen just by a drive by,
[16:05] >> right? Yeah. However, I will say this.
[16:07] We are thinking he's uh making the point
[16:10] about um you know, can you see it from
[16:12] the road? And currently, yes. But we do
[16:15] plan to put a kind of a hedge in the
[16:16] front. So, some of those windows that
[16:18] are now clearly visible from the street
[16:20] on the east side of the building might
[16:21] be a bit more obscured from the street.
[16:23] Just also to say that
[16:25] >> I don't [clears throat]
[16:27] touch.
[16:28] >> Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you're by time
[16:31] those windows get in in there. Unless
[16:34] they literally go up and
[16:37] >> inspect them, I doubt if they're ever
[16:39] going to see that it's it's not wood.
[16:42] [clears throat]
[16:43] >> Are they external or internal? Wait. The
[16:48] >> Yeah. [clears throat]
[16:50] Are the muttons are they are those
[16:52] between Are you getting double pain?
[16:54] >> Yeah.
[16:54] >> Are they between the pains or are they
[16:57] external?
[16:59] >> I'm not.
[17:01] >> Let me let me take a look at that
[17:02] because I [clears throat]
[17:05] There's a few different ones that
[17:09] um and he just gave me this brush here
[17:11] cuz I was like, "Do you have anything on the Marvin windows?
[17:16] Um,
[17:20] » are you talking about the divider
[17:21] pieces?
[17:22] >> I think they're external.
[17:24] >> I think they're doing it anyway.
[17:28] These are internal.
[17:32] » I'll be honest with you, I can't answer
[17:33] that, but I can I can
[17:36] >> definitely, but we need to make that
[17:38] decision tonight and I I get it.
[17:41] Um,
[17:44] most of them are on the inside out.
[17:48] Yeah.
[17:50] Um, maybe a six over six kind of like
[17:53] this. So, I'm going to say that's
[17:57] probably going to be I would say inside,
[17:59] but I can double check that.
[18:01] >> Okay. Okay. So,
[18:16] Oh yes.
[18:24] Turn off.
[18:35] Do we have any additional questions?
[18:39] I think so.
[18:44] » Are we ready to make a motion?
[18:45] [clears throat]
[18:49] » Just text to find
[18:52] just in I'll be off chance at
[18:56] >> I'm going to make a motion to deny
[19:00] based on um materials and uh I don't
[19:06] know the exact code. Do you need the
[19:10] exact code or do you assume you describe
[19:11] it?
[19:13] >> You describe it.
[19:14] >> Um based on the materials and the street
[19:18] view.
[19:23] Okay. I have a motion to deny the
[19:25] certificate to install the fiberglass
[19:29] replacement windows based on our
[19:32] ordinance of
[19:35] replacement with light materials and the
[19:37] view from the street. Do I have a
[19:39] second?
[19:41] >> I second.
[19:42] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second to
[19:44] deny. All in favor?
[19:47] >> I.
[19:48] >> Any opposed?
[20:02] Okay. So motion is denied.
[20:06] Request denied. Sorry.
[20:09] >> Thank you.
[20:16] So basically if you know if something
[20:18] else you come up with let us know.
[20:21] >> So let me ask you what
[20:24] >> wood
[20:27] repair the ones that are currently in
[20:29] there or replace with wood.
[20:30] >> Okay.
[20:34] But yet you pass
[20:37] certain buildings in this town with
[20:40] final windows that look
[20:42] >> this rougher than the
[20:44] >> this is a contributing landmark
[20:45] structure.
[20:46] >> Okay.
[20:47] >> Versus just a regular contributing
[20:50] structure.
[20:51] >> Okay. I just want I'm not I'm just
[20:53] trying to understand it. So
[20:56] [clears throat]
[20:58] So it has to be wood
[21:00] >> 100%.
[21:02] Okay. I'll work on that.
[21:04] >> Thank you.
[21:13] Okay, moving on to
[21:17] our next
[21:18] applicant, SGHC 030-26
[21:22] to receive a certificate of
[21:24] appropriateness to demolish the existing
[21:26] [snorts] rear porch and construct a new
[21:29] one with the same width but longer at
[21:32] 672 North Fourth Street.
[21:34] >> Okay. So before you you have the
[21:37] application
[21:40] and you'll see my report there uh which
[21:44] shows in a smaller view there up at the
[21:47] top a picture of the existing porch as
[21:50] it sits currently.
[21:52] And then down below is a small rendering
[21:55] of what they're going to be requesting
[21:58] to put back. As you can see there off to
[22:01] the left hand side, you can still see
[22:03] the entryway. Um that's still present.
[22:07] So that's showing you that it's not
[22:08] getting any wider. It's just going to be
[22:10] coming out 14 ft uh projecting out from
[22:13] the home.
[22:13] >> Also, um the I put some packets in front
[22:17] of you guys. Uh it was Bill Hart's old
[22:19] house and George. So uh before they
[22:22] moved, they called us out to work on the
[22:24] porch and it has rotten rafters. So all
[22:27] we did was sister in because Bill and
[22:28] Georgia didn't want to take the whole
[22:29] thing down, which I recommended to take
[22:31] it down in the first place. They just
[22:32] didn't want to pay the money to get it
[22:34] taken down when they were moving. So now
[22:36] the homeowners now see the pictures and
[22:37] they want to take the roof off which
[22:40] just extended another 6T. You can't see
[22:42] anything from the street and after it's
[22:44] done you still cannot see anything from
[22:46] the street. Um basically just want to
[22:48] make it a little bit bigger that way
[22:49] they can sit on that area and um have
[22:51] dinner outside.
[22:54] like all the the layout, the roof pitch,
[22:57] the materials, they'll all be the same.
[22:59] The only thing we're adding is screen
[23:01] screening it in.
[23:09] » And this is the contractor.
[23:11] >> I'll be [laughter]
[23:13] >> Sorry, we hadn't got quite to all my
[23:15] stuff, but yeah.
[23:16] >> Sorry about that.
[23:16] >> No, you're good. You're good.
[23:19] >> I didn't hear that.
[23:22] >> What? I didn't hear.
[23:23] >> We don't have any questions. I have no
[23:24] question. Okay. I don't have a question
[23:25] either.
[23:25] >> Okay.
[23:27] >> Have a motion.
[23:29] I make a motion approved as presented.
[23:31] >> I'll second. Okay. I have a motion and a
[23:33] second to approve the demolition of the
[23:35] existing rear porch, replace it with a
[23:38] new rear porch. Um, same pitch, same
[23:41] style, but we'll be adding the screen
[23:44] and the additional footage. All in
[23:47] favor? I.
[23:48] >> Any opposed?
[23:51] I
[23:52] >> have it. Okay.
[23:57] Same house.
[23:58] >> Yes. So, moving on.
[24:01] >> Moving on.
[24:02] >> Don't go [laughter] anywhere. Yeah, I'm
[24:03] not going anywhere.
[24:04] >> Same same property.
[24:07] This is now related to the garage and
[24:09] you will see application.
[24:11] Um, you'll see my report. You'll see the
[24:14] picture of the garage. It is the one on
[24:16] the left hand side of the photo, not the
[24:18] one on the right with the cat in front
[24:19] of it. Um,
[24:21] >> black cat. Yep.
[24:23] >> It didn't cross it didn't cross our path
[24:25] yet, so we're good. Um, so at down at
[24:29] the bottom, you'll see a smaller version
[24:32] of their their drawing. Sorry, I
[24:33] couldn't get that any bigger on that
[24:35] particular view. Um, and then included
[24:38] past that are uh photos provided um of
[24:43] the existing uh garage as that sets in
[24:47] its current condition. Then there's a
[24:49] site plan of this the size garage they want to construct or requesting con
[24:55] to construct which is a 24 by 36
[24:58] and then a copy of their plans. Uh again
[25:01] one is was included there was smaller uh
[25:04] the renderings of what that what that's
[25:06] going to look like um that they're going
[25:09] to build. Here's a bigger picture. I
[25:12] >> think he might have a full one there if
[25:13] you
[25:15] So, u the neighbors have the identical
[25:17] garage. They also have vinyl siding.
[25:20] It's white vinyl siding on their house.
[25:22] The neighbors is also white metal
[25:24] siding. And then the existing home has
[25:27] white vinyl siding. Our plan is to just
[25:30] match the existing siding on the home.
[25:33] Um, also if you look at the garages from
[25:35] street view, the neighbors and the
[25:38] garage that we're wanting to replace,
[25:39] they will look identical. Um, they'll
[25:42] sit the same distance off the street,
[25:45] um, the homeowner already got property
[25:47] like the survey and all the setbacks are
[25:49] good. So, we're good to put this
[25:52] structure on the property. Um, so all
[25:55] we're doing, uh, the homeowner wanted
[25:57] to, uh, replace this garage now due to
[26:01] there's no way for him to park his
[26:03] vehicle inside the garage.
[26:05] >> The wife can't open the garage door cuz
[26:08] it's on it's an older probably like 80
[26:10] lb door that they have to slide, which
[26:12] every time George opened it, I think he
[26:14] did everything he could to open it. And
[26:16] they kept a Mini Cooper. Uh, them cars
[26:19] are very small. um and a push mower in
[26:22] the garage. It has a dirt floor. There's
[26:25] no wiring in the garage. There's a
[26:27] little bit of termite damage. I did
[26:29] didn't get any pictures of that. Um but
[26:31] we'll be going back with white vinyl
[26:33] siding, two garage doors instead of one.
[26:36] um same 4-in gutters going around the
[26:39] structure of the garage
[26:42] and it'll look identical to the
[26:43] neighboring property which I also on top
[26:46] of it the neighbor um they share a
[26:49] driveway so when one's not home or the
[26:52] other they use the other driveway to
[26:54] park in due to I guess lack of parking
[26:56] spaces and um on four street it's very
[26:59] well known to go very over the speed
[27:02] limit so It's
[27:05] be awesome if we could put a twocar
[27:08] garage up.
[27:10] >> What are the chances you get them to put
[27:12] a twocar carport up?
[27:15] >> Uh
[27:17] that probably not very highly. Just uh
[27:20] they have a expensive truck. They're
[27:22] they got another vehicle they're
[27:23] purchasing. And then they're also right
[27:25] now they're um paying for storage over
[27:28] at uh PJ's. Um they're storing some
[27:31] stuff in there due to just the lack of
[27:33] space in the garage now.
[27:35] >> Um right now they're on the exterior of
[27:37] the garage. It's just like cement board,
[27:40] >> but it it's like breaking apart, falling
[27:42] off the back of the garage. Um like I
[27:44] said, there's no electric. There's
[27:46] rotten wood inside of it.
[27:49] >> Mhm.
[27:50] >> Yeah. So like they'd pull in. I was
[27:53] trying to see the
[27:54] >> I uh I gave some of you a packet uh to
[27:57] kind of see what the truck looks like in
[27:59] front of the garage.
[28:01] >> So, it's 9 foot 1 and 1/2
[28:05] >> and it'll be white garage doors to match
[28:07] the neighboring um white siding to match
[28:10] the existing house. Same roof pitch just
[28:13] a little bit wider.
[28:19] And then uh also electric ran to the
[28:24] garage so they can have lights and the
[28:25] garage door can open.
[28:27] I thought
[28:28] >> they had electric in the garage
[28:29] >> there. Yeah, there's no electric.
[28:31] >> No.
[28:31] Well,
[28:32] >> it's odd that they have a light above
[28:34] the door then.
[28:34] >> That's a motion the battery operated.
[28:38] >> Okay.
[28:48] I bet it was going to rain
[29:00] along that street. Um, there's also I
[29:03] think every house on that street has a
[29:05] twocar garage identical to the detached
[29:08] garage that you guys will be looking at.
[29:10] >> My issue isn't with the design. I'm
[29:13] concerned that it's a contributing
[29:14] structure that we're wanting to tear
[29:16] down.
[29:21] » Yeah. The garage.
[29:23] >> Yeah. It's a contributing structure.
[29:25] >> Yeah. Especially the the way that it's
[29:27] constructed, the siding, the the the
[29:31] standing seam roof.
[29:33] >> There's not a the house has a it's not a
[29:35] standing seam. It's ribbed.
[29:37] >> The house does the garage. It's not
[29:39] standing seam.
[29:42] >> Watch. It's
[29:43] >> It's that barn metal barn, right?
[29:46] >> I mean, we can go We can go back with
[29:47] the barn metal in the new garage, too.
[29:49] >> Just making a point.
[29:54] » The main thing is just the homers. They
[29:56] can't they're not like they really can't
[29:58] use it. They have a push mower inside. I
[30:00] think uh George and Bill along, they had
[30:03] the exact same thing. just a Mini
[30:05] Cooper, which not everybody has that
[30:07] small of a car.
[30:16] » And they're absolutely opposed to no
[30:19] carport on the other side.
[30:20] >> No.
[30:22] >> I just I just don't see a sense in
[30:25] taking contributing structure
[30:28] that's used basically [clears throat]
[30:28] for storage and destroying it.
[30:31] >> They they don't really you can't really
[30:32] store anything in there. It's and it has
[30:34] a dirt floor
[30:36] >> that can be modified.
[30:38] >> Yeah.
[30:41] » But what about parking vehicles inside
[30:43] of it?
[30:45] >> Well, that's why how many of us park in
[30:47] our driveways now?
[30:51] >> I have a carport in my yard also for my
[30:53] camper. Not saying
[30:55] >> it wouldn't fit in the garage.
[30:58] >> [clears throat]
[31:00] >> That's that's I mean kind of why I was
[31:01] saying you know the uh doing like if they would do not
[31:08] even if you could even possibly possibly
[31:09] do two of them you come off the front or
[31:11] even off the side with like the carport
[31:14] >> they share a driveway so you have about
[31:16] 15 ft until you the driveways come
[31:18] together.
[31:19] >> Yeah I see that. Yeah, I see they'd be
[31:22] from the aerial view.
[31:30] I agree with Tommy s
[31:33] like to see that especially that you
[31:34] know the only one left on the street.
[31:36] >> Yeah, I mean we can't
[31:38] >> because of the guidelines.
[31:39] >> Well, right.
[31:50] So they're not open to any modification.
[31:55] » Well, then I think that just we're at an
[31:58] end.
[32:01] >> Any further discussion before we
[32:05] make a motion to deny?
[32:07] >> I'll second.
[32:08] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to
[32:10] deny the certificate to demolish the
[32:12] existing garage and replace it with the
[32:15] larger garage at 672 North Fourth. All
[32:17] in favor?
[32:19] >> I. Any opposed?
[32:23] » There you have it.
[32:24] >> There's uh nothing that you guys can do
[32:26] about it, but they said that if they
[32:27] didn't record, they're just going to go
[32:29] ahead and sell the place. So, I don't
[32:31] know if they're going to see progress
[32:33] with the porch. I'll reach out to them,
[32:35] let you know, and see what they want to
[32:37] do from there.
[32:37] >> Okay.
[32:38] Yeah. So, just let us know so we
[32:40] can know how to proceed building
[32:41] codewise. Okay.
[32:43] >> Okay. Thank you.
[32:53] Okay,
[32:56] hold on. Sorry, I need to I didn't flip
[32:58] fast enough. [laughter]
[33:02] Okay, moving on to our next certificate.
[33:07] SGHC 032-26
[33:10] to receive a certificate of
[33:11] appropriateness to demolish an existing
[33:14] garage to make room for an addition to
[33:16] the existing home at 350 Robert Street.
[33:21] >> Okay. So, in your packet, you'll have an
[33:23] application.
[33:25] Um, I know this is getting very
[33:26] repetitive here. And you'll
[33:28] [clears throat] have my report. Um, you
[33:30] can see a a colored picture of the
[33:34] garage with the car in front of it
[33:36] there. Um, and then down below is the
[33:39] overhead view of the property. It's kind
[33:41] of hard to see the garage there. Even if
[33:44] I zoomed in, you really can't cuz the
[33:45] trees in the way. Um, also in your
[33:49] packet again, bigger picture of the one
[33:51] that was on my report. Uh, also are
[33:54] these are black and white pictures.
[33:57] They looked better on the computer
[33:59] screen than they did when we printed
[34:00] them out. I tried lighting them up as
[34:02] much as I could. Um, this is a more
[34:04] current picture than than the ones that the one that I had off Google
[34:10] Earth. Um, so what they're requesting
[34:14] again is to demolish this garage. Um,
[34:17] and the reason they're going to demolish
[34:19] this garage, they want, and that's the
[34:21] next item on the agenda. Um, they're
[34:24] wanting to add on to the back part of
[34:25] the home. They can't do that with that
[34:28] garage there. They can't add on to the
[34:30] home with the garage in place.
[34:34] and the people doing the work,
[34:37] construction work, are are here to
[34:39] answer any questions uh that that we may
[34:41] have uh for them.
[34:49] » They're coming straight off the back of
[34:50] the house.
[34:51] >> Pardon me?
[34:52] >> Coming straight off the back of the
[34:53] house?
[34:53] >> Yes, sir.
[34:55] >> Yeah. Where the existing porch is, it's
[34:57] going to be the width of the house. And
[35:01] then I believe it's 25 ft or
[35:04] >> that's not getting any wider.
[35:06] >> No, it is not.
[35:07] >> Okay.
[35:08] >> And and no porch steps or anything
[35:10] coming off the side of it
[35:13] of of the garage.
[35:15] >> The garage
[35:16] >> of the house when you extend it. Nothing
[35:18] come off to either side, just to the
[35:19] back. She's wanting to have wood steps
[35:23] come down to access the driveway off to
[35:27] I mean as you're going out then to the
[35:29] left. That would be the back of the
[35:31] house.
[35:31] >> And that's this this square floor plan.
[35:34] >> Yes, sir.
[35:34] >> Thank you.
[35:40] Do we know the current distance from
[35:43] >> Looks like about
[35:44] >> the house to the I mean yeah cuz looking
[35:45] at this picture it looks like it there's
[35:47] a
[35:47] >> it
[35:50] yeah um
[35:50] >> it it ends up being probably about 2 and
[35:53] 1/2 ft. Part of the issue is is to get
[35:56] any of the excavators or anything back
[35:59] there. it is in the way to do any to add
[36:04] on or to do the next item.
[36:09] And as we run into, well, it's not in
[36:12] very good shape, but it's also not
[36:14] usable for the size of it and whatnot.
[36:19] >> They can't get equipment in on the other
[36:21] side of the house.
[36:22] >> It's not their property.
[36:26] >> I don't believe so. or when I talked to
[36:29] Eddie Fischer, Eddie Fischer said he
[36:31] could not go on that side. How whatever
[36:33] for whatever reasons, that's exactly
[36:35] what he said.
[36:36] >> It may be higher up elevation that they
[36:38] can get up. So, what they're asking is
[36:39] if you're facing the house on the right
[36:41] hand side, there's let's say 35 ft or so
[36:46] of of property there. Is there is there
[36:49] an elevation difference?
[36:51] >> It doesn't look like you can see the
[36:52] vehicle in this tree. Yeah, that's what
[36:54] I was looking at and I drove by the
[36:56] other day and I just didn't curve.
[36:58] >> I didn't get a chance to go by this. Did
[37:00] you get to see this?
[37:04] The other thing um so so that we're all
[37:07] aware and I know we're kind of putting
[37:08] these together because if one doesn't
[37:11] happen the other one kind of so um not
[37:14] to jump ahead but um if they were to
[37:18] just add on to the house and leave that
[37:21] uh structure there, they would then have
[37:23] to go for a variance because I would
[37:25] have to deny that request to construct
[37:27] that house addition because the existing
[37:32] garage would then be in the sidey yard
[37:34] which is not allowed by zoning
[37:36] requirements.
[37:38] >> And also
[37:40] the garage would now have to meet the
[37:42] setbacks of the house
[37:44] >> for zoning requirements because it's
[37:46] within 10 ft of the house. So it
[37:48] wouldn't. So they would have to then get
[37:50] a variance for that. I'm not saying that
[37:53] for I'm just throwing it out there that
[37:54] that's what the requirements would be.
[38:00] I was fine with the addition on the back
[38:02] of the house. Pardon me.
[38:03] >> That's what I was finding with the
[38:04] addition on the back of the house.
[38:05] [laughter]
[38:10] I
[38:10] >> was looking.
[38:11] >> Is it on a foundation or a slab for the
[38:13] garage?
[38:15] >> It is not on a found. I mean I um It's
[38:18] not
[38:19] >> tell because there's so much junk in
[38:20] there.
[38:22] >> I mean sometimes from the outside you
[38:24] can tell. I I I drove by and I couldn't
[38:26] get a good
[38:26] >> I couldn't either. I wasn't going to
[38:28] walk up there, but
[38:29] >> I do the binoculars doing this watching.
[38:31] [laughter]
[38:31] >> That's not creepy at all.
[38:33] >> No, I was standing outside the
[38:36] >> I didn't tell them that everybody was
[38:37] going to be doing that, but I figured
[38:38] that that was the case. [laughter]
[38:40] >> Well, I mean, some do, some don't. I
[38:42] always do. Just
[38:43] >> I I would,
[38:44] >> you know,
[38:46] >> there is no slab
[38:49] and answer to the question.
[38:52] >> Okay. So, it's just a flooding.
[38:53] >> Yeah, it's just on a flooding system.
[38:55] Yeah.
[39:00] Gosh,
[39:02] >> I don't know any kind of stuff because
[39:05] >> I know
[39:08] >> because the garage was built at
[39:09] approximately the same time as another
[39:11] contributing structure,
[39:12] >> right? Yeah. So there's this kind of
[39:14] like
[39:15] >> well I mean honestly if I could pick it
[39:16] up and then move it for the construction
[39:20] and then pop it back down because I mean
[39:22] I have even thought about the the other
[39:24] issue is is by virtue of the way the
[39:27] roof line goes then you're right at the window level for that one side. And
[39:34] I had even thought that, you know, I
[39:36] mean, even if you could make something
[39:37] that's shorter that's looking similar to
[39:39] it off to that side to where maybe
[39:42] you've got the steps that are covered or
[39:45] the steps that are going down into the
[39:47] structure, but given the fact of where
[39:50] it's at and how it is, it definitely
[39:55] impedes
[39:57] um,
[39:59] you know, the the addition
[40:04] and she has had a water situation in her
[40:08] ba her the current basement. And the
[40:11] other thing that I was concerned about,
[40:13] well, I mean, obviously if you do
[40:14] guttering and whatnot, but I didn't want
[40:16] the additional water situation between
[40:19] the two of those.
[40:22] I'm turning it right over here.
[40:31] Is this the house?
[40:37] existing house is here.
[40:38] >> This Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, there it
[40:39] is. Never mind. I see it now.
[40:48] » Well, so
[40:52] variance would have to extend past the
[40:54] full length of the garage.
[40:57] >> Yeah. The variance would be simply to
[41:01] allow the structure to remain in place
[41:04] and the hardship would be the the historical
[41:11] >> Mhm.
[41:12] >> consideration of the structure.
[41:16] What I can't guarantee is Well, I
[41:19] haven't had that here yet, so I don't
[41:21] know what the right
[41:22] >> what the press that that is set.
[41:25] [laughter]
[41:27] I found another sample.
[41:31] This is the 350.
[41:33] >> Oh, thank God.
[41:34] >> It's It's okay cuz I kept looking at I
[41:37] was fling back and forth and I'm like,
[41:38] "Wait a minute." No. Okay.
[41:39] >> Okay. Okay.
[41:43] » What happened? I get in a hurry.
[41:47] I'll fix it.
[41:58] Yeah. So on my report there uh where the
[42:01] request is listed uh I got the address
[42:03] right at correct at the top but I
[42:06] brought it from the one previous so it
[42:08] will say 350 Roberts
[42:11] >> the one for the additions that way also.
[42:14] >> Yeah. Yeah. They're both I brought them
[42:16] both from the same thing. So they're
[42:17] going to be the [laughter] same way.
[42:20] I was like, "Wait a minute. Am I on the
[42:21] wrong
[42:23] covered by the letters?"
[42:25] >> That's what I was thinking. So, I'm just
[42:27] wondering how deep
[42:29] >> you don't know how deep that existing
[42:30] garage is, do you?
[42:33] >> I should have measured it. I believe
[42:35] that it is around
[42:37] >> 24. Oh, no. It's not even It's not that
[42:40] long. It's I mean, I don't even I'm not
[42:42] even 100%. A car might be able to fit in
[42:44] it lengthwise. So, it's definitely not a
[42:48] truck. I'm I'm going to say 12 ft long.
[42:58] » I mean, I know we can do with a
[42:59] landmark, but I'm also pressing in here.
[43:06] » I see what you're saying. Would you be
[43:07] able to do that?
[43:08] >> That's I don't know cuz it's on footing,
[43:11] not a true bound. was talking about
[43:13] being able to raise it up and just move
[43:15] it back,
[43:17] but then there's going to be a bed here.
[43:22] >> How much room behind the the shed to the
[43:24] end of the edge of the property line
[43:26] behind it?
[43:27] >> I think that would be
[43:30] sure looks like it's I think this is the
[43:33] garage.
[43:34] >> I feel like this is the garage.
[43:40] That's the option because
[43:41] >> yeah, as long as we're 10 ft away from
[43:43] the hole like
[43:44] >> Okay.
[43:44] >> like 5T the actual side of the room.
[43:50] >> Especially if it's only on my head.
[43:52] >> Yeah. [snorts]
[43:53] >> No, that's why I said in my head this
[43:56] >> Yeah. If it's not on a slab, man. They
[43:57] didn't do [clears throat] all the
[43:59] grinders were not on any kind of a slab
[44:01] or anything. Sometimes they're just set
[44:03] right on.
[44:03] >> I would just had a slab or or a simple
[44:06] port footing. They just set bolted down.
[44:09] That's most of them are that way that
[44:10] are that style. Yeah. And so it's
[44:13] >> it's almost a port the original portable
[44:16] building most.
[44:16] >> I mean I'm not married to this. This is
[44:18] just a hey,
[44:20] >> right?
[44:21] >> We could ask for a clarification if that
[44:23] could come out. They can look into it
[44:25] and they may come back.
[44:26] >> Come out somewhere. Right. Was it
[44:30] come out right here actually?
[44:37] » Yeah. almost worked.
[44:40] >> I would prefer that than this. I'm just
[44:42] saying it
[44:45] >> comes down to it.
[44:47] >> I see it. Probably not that
[44:52] problem.
[44:55] Is there a possibility that we could
[44:59] ask the homeowner to look into the
[45:02] possibil feasibility of moving that if
[45:05] it's capable of being moved and then
[45:06] come back and if that fits and can be
[45:08] moved to another area of the property
[45:12] to be to allow for the construction
[45:14] [clears throat]
[45:16] that we can get take care of both things
[45:19] keep you a small storage garage
[45:21] >> in a different location and get your
[45:23] building
[45:24] >> okay So my my next question is and I
[45:27] know that he was talking about the h the
[45:29] proximity to the house then uh would
[45:33] there be a specific spot that is
[45:36] recommended by the committee?
[45:38] >> Straight back straight back.
[45:41] >> Yeah. As long as it's 5 ft to not have
[45:43] to go through any additional meetings,
[45:47] variances or anything like that. You
[45:49] would have to be at least 5t off the
[45:51] property line, which should be easy
[45:53] enough to meet at that location, and be
[45:56] 10 feet, no closer than 10 ft to the
[45:59] wall of the house, not the e, but the
[46:01] wall of the house.
[46:03] >> Okay.
[46:04] >> So, essentially, for all intents
[46:06] purposes, scoot it back and over just a
[46:09] little bit. And where that measurement
[46:11] starts is right at the back of that
[46:13] house. So, from from there, you measure
[46:15] 10 ft and
[46:17] >> the addition.
[46:18] >> Yes.
[46:18] >> Yeah. 10 ft from the addition and 5 ft
[46:19] [clears throat] from the property line.
[46:21] >> I'm sure she would not be opposed to
[46:23] >> and that would save a wonderful building
[46:25] and get get the addition built at the
[46:28] same time.
[46:28] >> Okay. I I I'm I'm
[46:30] >> unless there you have a better
[46:32] alternative.
[46:34] >> I mean,
[46:36] unless they could come up with a way to
[46:38] just, you know, just get the bearings,
[46:40] leave the garage where it's at
[46:42] >> is what I'm saying. But I'm I look for
[46:45] the stairs come out
[46:46] >> a little L and stuff. Well, the steps
[46:49] are coming out 20 ft back from the
[46:52] existing back. So, I think it's still
[46:54] going to come out probably there at the
[46:56] side of the house or it'll be at the
[46:58] side in the side of the garage from what
[47:00] I'm just looking at the pictures,
[47:02] >> right?
[47:02] >> You know,
[47:06] » you mean as far as the drawings?
[47:08] >> Yeah, I was I was just going by this.
[47:10] You know, these stairs here. Here's the
[47:12] back of the existing house.
[47:14] >> Yes. Your steps come out come out the
[47:15] side, but you're still 20 ft back right
[47:18] here.
[47:20] >> This
[47:23] No, it's not. No, it's not. No, it's
[47:24] not. I'm sorry.
[47:26] >> No, it's not.
[47:26] >> Yeah. Here's the existing driveway. And
[47:28] the garage sits right in through here.
[47:31] >> I was just I was looking at this here
[47:33] and I for some reason I think there was
[47:35] extension line here. So, no, that would
[47:38] actually maybe work.
[47:39] >> Oh, yeah. Then that would work because
[47:40] then the stairs would
[47:42] >> step would probably come up right here.
[47:44] That's correct.
[47:45] >> So that could be a better option for
[47:50] >> move in the garage. She just have to do
[47:52] the get a see if they can get a variance
[47:54] which I really don't think they would
[47:55] have a problem with honestly but you
[47:57] never know.
[47:57] >> It it it would if if it's coming as a
[48:00] recommendation from
[48:02] >> from us the commission.
[48:03] >> Yeah. Then that would resolve it tonight
[48:05] if we wanted it. If in fact I think that
[48:08] and and I'm just putting this out here
[48:10] because if I can
[48:13] I think she would prefer moving it back
[48:16] if it's possible
[48:18] >> be as opposed to having it you know like
[48:21] I said yeah right beside it because then
[48:23] the view is going to be the roof.
[48:25] >> Sure.
[48:26] >> So I mean I can go back and ask her but
[48:29] it it would be my opinion based on her
[48:32] >> right
[48:33] >> and what they're what they're hoping
[48:35] for. Gotcha.
[48:39] » Nobody knows of any reason in the
[48:41] guidelines that we can't, right?
[48:44] >> Yeah. I've gone through seen anything
[48:46] >> because the location is not a
[48:48] >> Yeah.
[48:50] >> You know, it's not it's not an event or
[48:53] you know something, but the property
[48:55] happened right there. So
[48:56] >> yeah,
[48:59] >> I'm just hypothetically throwing this
[49:01] out here and I'm not even adding it into
[49:03] the mix just for my own personal
[49:06] knowledge since we're talking about
[49:08] moving it or something like that and you
[49:09] we're talking about the variances.
[49:12] If in fact it could hypothetically move
[49:16] forward to where they could walk out of
[49:18] the addition and into it, which that's
[49:20] not possible based on whatever's
[49:22] happening. Would that be I mean,
[49:26] not that I'm going to run into this
[49:27] again at some point in time, [laughter]
[49:28] but I'm just saying. So I I I mean I
[49:31] guess there is some flexibility as long
[49:33] as the structure stays on the property
[49:36] within
[49:39] >> an appropriate
[49:39] >> set back from the house
[49:40] >> because the way lots are designed here.
[49:43] It's super common for this time period
[49:45] to see the garage right where it is or
[49:48] all the corner cuz we're transitioning
[49:50] from like carriage houses into garages
[49:52] at this time. Correct.
[49:53] >> So it still fit it fits the sight line,
[49:56] etc.
[49:57] If it weren't this perfect storm, it
[49:58] would probably be a no. It just so
[50:00] happens that for this situation, moving
[50:03] it backwards.
[50:04] >> Okay. Then I I would have to say that
[50:05] she would be
[50:07] very willing to do that.
[50:09] >> To answer your variance question though,
[50:11] typically speaking, to obtain a variance
[50:14] and and receive a variance, it's not
[50:16] just a matter of, you know, you you
[50:18] approach a commission like this and ask
[50:19] them for a variance and they sit and
[50:22] decide, do we want to allow it or not?
[50:23] It's can this be done legally anywhere
[50:26] else on the property?
[50:28] And if in this case, let's just use this
[50:32] case. If we were moving it forward, does
[50:34] that make its current condition worse?
[50:37] >> Gotcha.
[50:38] >> Or equal. So if it's an equal condition,
[50:41] so it's not like moving in front of the
[50:43] house. Um, it's still meeting the front
[50:46] yard setback, let's say. So it's still
[50:48] meeting it's still kind of in line with
[50:50] where it was. it's not making the
[50:52] condition worse. Um, and it would
[50:56] receive a recommendation from this
[50:58] commission
[51:00] to save that structure, then I would say
[51:04] that's a good case for various. I can't
[51:06] by any means tell you that it's going to
[51:08] get approved,
[51:09] >> but that would be a good case for that.
[51:12] Uh, regardless of of the situation, you
[51:15] always have to look at in in when you're
[51:17] doing that, can I do this anywhere else?
[51:20] So a good example that if if the
[51:22] property dropped straight off once it
[51:24] went to the back you can't build it
[51:26] there without
[51:27] >> right
[51:27] >> some massive amount of uh construction.
[51:30] So those would be good reasons to great
[51:32] variances.
[51:33] >> Excellent. Okay
[51:40] pictures.
[51:43] » Do we have any other questions?
[51:45] >> I don't know.
[51:47] So we just so
[51:50] just table it for a a relication when
[51:53] they make that decision. So
[51:55] >> I would I can I go ahead and say that would be fine.
[52:00] >> I'm sure that she you know I'm sure that
[52:02] she's she wants the addition and I'm
[52:05] sure that you know that would be
[52:08] >> I mean just cuz we approve it doesn't
[52:09] mean she
[52:10] >> we got to approve it with the with the
[52:13] with that being moved before the
[52:15] construction starts on the other
[52:16] portion. whatever
[52:18] condition.
[52:19] >> Can we can als she can also leave it
[52:21] where it's at and do the addition, but
[52:22] you just have a little narrow.
[52:24] >> Yep. So,
[52:24] >> right.
[52:25] >> Yep.
[52:27] >> So, okay. So,
[52:30] >> basically, we can go ahead and approve,
[52:33] which I I'd go ahead and uh make a
[52:35] motion to approve uh the addition.
[52:41] » So, you want you want to hit the
[52:43] demolition one first since that's what
[52:44] we're on. Okay. I said, "Well, deny the demolition and approve the
[52:51] construction."
[52:51] >> Okay.
[52:52] >> Yeah. Approve the construction with the
[52:55] >> caveat.
[52:58] I move that we deny the certificate of
[53:01] appropriateness for the demolition of
[53:03] the existing garage.
[53:04] >> Second. Okay.
[53:06] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second to
[53:09] deny the certificate of appropriateness
[53:11] to demolish the existing garage at 350
[53:16] Robert Street.
[53:18] All in favor? I
[53:20] >> I
[53:22] have it. I'm sorry you didn't ask for
[53:24] posts or there's else here. [laughter]
[53:27] >> I got ahead.
[53:29] >> Any post?
[53:30] >> Eyes have it now.
[53:31] >> Okay. All right. Moving on to SGHC
[53:35] 033-26
[53:36] to receive a certificate of
[53:38] appropriateness to construct an addition
[53:41] to the rear of the existing home at 350
[53:44] Robert Street.
[53:46] I'll make a motion to approve the
[53:48] addition of the uh rear of the house
[53:52] Robert Street
[53:55] >> with with
[53:56] >> with
[53:57] >> Yeah, with that
[53:59] >> with
[54:00] >> So, are we providing both options?
[54:02] >> I I think so. I think she's
[54:04] >> I just think with the approval of of the
[54:06] site plan by by city hall, whichever
[54:09] those that they approve, as long as the
[54:11] house is moved, it's
[54:13] >> as long as as long as Yeah.
[54:15] >> Okay. So with the addendum,
[54:17] >> okay,
[54:17] >> that either the garage be moved back
[54:23] >> say
[54:24] >> to the 10 ft
[54:27] >> measurement
[54:29] >> or
[54:30] >> with approval of a variance, it can stay
[54:32] in its current location.
[54:35] >> Yes.
[54:37] with the addition to be built around it,
[54:39] near it, next to it, adjacent [laughter]
[54:46] » Okay.
[54:48] I have a motion to approve the
[54:51] certificate of appropriateness to
[54:53] construct the addition to the rear of
[54:55] the home
[54:57] with
[54:59] [laughter] the exception to either move
[55:02] the garage
[55:04] back into the yard further to be able to
[55:06] meet the required measurements or
[55:10] based on city approval to get the
[55:12] variance to leave the garage in its
[55:15] current position.
[55:17] and then build the addition alongside
[55:20] it.
[55:21] >> Okay,
[55:21] >> that's what I got.
[55:23] >> I got that. I got that. [laughter]
[55:26] » I have a second.
[55:28] >> I'll second [laughter]
[55:29] motion and a second. All in favor?
[55:32] >> I Any opposed?
[55:35] >> The eyes have it.
[55:38] » That's that's a for everybody.
[55:41] [laughter]
[55:42] >> Okay. Thank you everybody.
[55:44] >> Thank you.
[55:49] Okay, moving on to administrative
[55:51] approvals.
[55:52] >> I have none.
[55:55] » Any other business?
[56:02] » Oh, okay. So, [clears throat] you guys
[56:04] remember when when
[56:07] the ship they got a hold of us? Ed for our input on the fourth street
[56:13] bridge.
[56:15] They've sent me um an email asking me
[56:18] also for our input on the Main Street
[56:22] Bridge North Gabri. I'm sorry. I said,
[56:25] "Yeah, North Main." So, I got I have I
[56:30] don't know if you guys ever saw the
[56:31] letter. I think Bill sent it out to
[56:32] everybody. Um
[56:34] >> I actually have a I found a copy of
[56:36] that. I got copies of um I was just
[56:39] going to kind of go ahead and
[56:42] kind of go off of what he wrote from
[56:44] that and quick so you guys all see it
[56:49] there.
[56:50] >> Thank you.
[56:51] >> Sure.
[56:51] >> Well, that was the letter that Bill
[56:52] wrote.
[56:54] >> He kind of wrote as a
[56:55] >> Yeah, Bill wrote it and then he put all
[56:57] of us
[56:58] >> um I think pretty much go with the same
[57:01] format pretty much the same thing. Um,
[57:04] it was built in 1940, by the way.
[57:06] >> And it was in this guy's report and I
[57:10] knew it, but I couldn't I couldn't get
[57:11] into it. That's why I asked you about
[57:13] it.
[57:14] >> Um, but anyways, um, so there is a typo.
[57:23] » I I just on this document, uh, second
[57:25] paragraph, US highway system.
[57:31] Well, you know, it is what it is. But,
[57:34] um,
[57:36] we'll we'll change that. But, um, yeah,
[57:38] I mean, and I'll get it out to you guys.
[57:42] I'll send it to you, too, if you want to
[57:43] read it also. But, I mean, it's not
[57:46] something I'm going to do tonight or
[57:47] anything, but it'll be a few days. So,
[57:49] cuz I got So, I got that in a word
[57:52] document. So, do you want me to send it
[57:53] to you and then you can just change
[57:56] whatever you want to change? Awesome.
[57:57] Yep. Okay.
[57:59] >> Um cuz I might get with you with some of
[58:01] the uh architectural working.
[58:06] I think I might be able to get it. So,
[58:08] but I I sent I emailed you guys this
[58:11] whole report or on the bridge and
[58:13] everything that they all sent to us or
[58:15] sent to me so that you guys can read
[58:17] through it also. Okay. So,
[58:20] >> okay. Any other residents?
[58:22] >> Go ahead.
[58:24] >> Okay. Do we have any public comments?
[58:27] Yeah, I have a quick question. I uh
[58:30] submitted something uh early last week
[58:33] about putting a shot on my uh property
[58:36] and I was told to be here tonight.
[58:39] >> What? I'm [clears throat] not aware what
[58:41] >> it's 373 South Fourth Street.
[58:45] >> I I don't I don't have that application.
[58:48] So, our building inspector might have
[58:50] it, but I'm
[58:51] >> Well, that's who I spoke with, and he
[58:52] said I had to have it emailed to him by
[58:54] the beginning of uh last week, which I
[58:57] did,
[59:00] >> and I was want to have it uh started
[59:02] Wednesday if I could.
[59:04] >> Do we want to look at it?
[59:06] >> I was told that it was u you know, I did
[59:08] need a permit just to make sure that I
[59:10] had to come through you all and be here
[59:12] tonight.
[59:12] >> Yeah, he doesn't need a permit for the
[59:14] What size shed was it?
[59:15] >> It's a 10 x 12.
[59:17] >> Yeah. So he doesn't need a permit.
[59:18] >> So it's a top shed.
[59:20] >> We can talk about talking about
[59:22] >> Yep. So
[59:24] 373.
[59:25] >> Yes. You said 373 South Four Street.
[59:27] >> Okay.
[59:30] Give us just a second here.
[59:31] >> Oh, sure.
[59:32] >> Fact. I might be able to get this thing
[59:35] to work.
[59:37] >> Oh, yeah. You can pull it up on here.
[59:41] >> 373.
[59:44] have something weird playing, right?
[59:48] Surprised he uh [laughter]
[59:50] >> Oh, he's going to put up there
[59:53] like
[59:58] that happen. One of the HBC's
[1:00:01] >> David was turning it on for Zoom, but it
[1:00:03] was like playing a loop of something and
[1:00:04] so he thought it was a person
[1:00:06] >> for the Do you remember this? Just me?
[1:00:09] Okay, I'm crazy. It's true.
[1:00:12] I mean maybe
[1:00:14] >> was it there was something? Yes, I do
[1:00:16] remember there was something else with
[1:00:18] the zoom
[1:00:19] north fourth.
[1:00:21] >> South fourth.
[1:00:26] It did help.
[1:00:27] >> I have copies with me if they have these
[1:00:30] as well.
[1:00:31] >> Yeah. Can we?
[1:00:32] >> Sure.
[1:00:37] Thank you.
[1:00:37] >> That sounded like it hurt.
[1:00:38] >> It did. Thanks.
[1:00:46] existing
[1:00:51] for
[1:01:06] a nice page. It's nice for back Yeah.
[1:01:12] >> All the way back there.
[1:01:12] >> Yeah. See, what I would do is So, this
[1:01:14] is our garage way back.
[1:01:16] >> So, I was going to do is keep it the
[1:01:17] same sight line for the garage and then
[1:01:20] have it. It'll be 10 ft off the ground.
[1:01:22] I was going to go 6 ft off the back
[1:01:24] >> and the property line. And then if you
[1:01:26] go further,
[1:01:27] >> it shows you the uh contract. And that's
[1:01:30] the shed right there.
[1:01:32] >> And I made it white with the black roof
[1:01:34] to to match the rest of the existing
[1:01:36] buildings.
[1:01:37] >> Try to keep everything the same.
[1:01:40] is outside from the street.
[1:01:41] >> Yeah, it's not even visual. Do you guys
[1:01:43] want to see?
[1:01:43] >> Yes, please.
[1:01:54] » The decision, but I think it's a pull.
[1:01:57] [laughter]
[1:01:58] >> Well, at least we can say we officially
[1:02:00] pulled it out.
[1:02:01] >> I have to like lay in my head. I have to
[1:02:03] lay it out like if I'm driving down
[1:02:04] Fourth Street, [laughter]
[1:02:06] >> which drives me nuts. All the maps in
[1:02:08] town. Another to
[1:02:11] >> you see on that road.
[1:02:13] >> Do you Yeah, it so we're going
[1:02:18] >> He wants to in here right in the back
[1:02:20] the garage.
[1:02:21] >> Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like
[1:02:24] >> Oh, and what is what is all the way
[1:02:27] behind it? Is there anything behind?
[1:02:29] >> Mm-m.
[1:02:29] >> No, they're probably landing troops,
[1:02:30] right? Right here.
[1:02:31] >> Yeah,
[1:02:32] >> here.
[1:02:33] >> And it's going to be like 6 ft off the
[1:02:35] back. I was going to go at least 6 ft
[1:02:38] just so I make sure I'm
[1:02:39] >> within six and six. I'm going to go 10
[1:02:42] >> six and it'll be 10 off the side cuz I'm
[1:02:45] going to go the exact uh sight line with
[1:02:46] the garage.
[1:02:48] >> Yeah, as long as I like
[1:02:51] it's going to be matches the garage.
[1:02:54] >> I mean, and that up into Rosary Edition
[1:02:56] and there's
[1:02:57] >> Yeah, that's backyard backyard. That's nowhere.
[1:03:02] >> That's pretty good.
[1:03:05] >> [clears throat]
[1:03:07] >> Yeah. With where it is, it shouldn't be
[1:03:08] visible from the other street either.
[1:03:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of hidden from
[1:03:12] everything.
[1:03:12] >> Yeah.
[1:03:13] >> And and no alley, you know,
[1:03:15] [clears throat] so just
[1:03:17] >> Yeah.
[1:03:18] >> So, we're going to get it about the time
[1:03:20] like you said. [laughter]
[1:03:22] >> I didn't make a motion before you even
[1:03:24] >> You want to You go right ahead.
[1:03:29] » Yeah. See the way the other
[1:03:30] >> It's in that bottom corner.
[1:03:34] >> Right in there. Oh, right on. Yeah. All
[1:03:36] right. Yeah. Okay.
[1:03:39] >> Well, I will make a motion to approve as
[1:03:43] >> Oh, okay. Well, I will second.
[1:03:44] >> Okay. [laughter]
[1:03:46] >> I have a motion and a second to approve
[1:03:49] the shed addition in the backyard at 373
[1:03:54] South Fourth Street. All in favor?
[1:03:57] >> I. Any opposed?
[1:04:00] >> Nice have it.
[1:04:01] >> Well, thank you for hanging with us. Do
[1:04:04] you need this or can you
[1:04:05] >> Do you want to keep?
[1:04:06] >> Uh yeah, let me hang Let me hang on to
[1:04:08] it. You'll get you'll get a copy with
[1:04:10] your with that when we issue the permit.
[1:04:13] I
[1:04:13] >> need to keep all that.
[1:04:13] >> So, we'll be on on the permit for it
[1:04:15] tomorrow. So,
[1:04:17] >> uh we'll give you a call when we have it
[1:04:18] ready. It's a matter of doing the paper.
[1:04:20] >> Just run on down here and grab it.
[1:04:22] >> Yep. It's a matter of doing the
[1:04:22] paperwork.
[1:04:23] >> Can my father-in-law pick it up?
[1:04:25] >> Anybody can pick it up.
[1:04:26] >> Okay, great. Yep.
[1:04:27] >> Cuz he he's at home and I I work 30
[1:04:29] days.
[1:04:29] >> Okay. And the fee is $35 for the permit.
[1:04:33] No problem. So, just pray when we come
[1:04:35] pick it up.
[1:04:35] >> Yep. Yeah. If you give me at least try
[1:04:38] and give me till noon if you can. Sure.
[1:04:40] >> That way give me time to get the
[1:04:42] paperwork done.
[1:04:42] >> Oh, sure. No, no problem at all.
[1:04:44] >> All right. Thank you, sir.
[1:04:47] >> Thank you.
[1:04:47] >> You too.
[1:04:49] >> Is there a way uh Steve I think you
[1:04:53] talked with Steve? Is there a way that
[1:04:54] he can call one of you guys or all of
[1:04:56] you guys to kind of just hear why he got
[1:04:58] denied
[1:05:00] >> or is there like a statement that you
[1:05:02] guys will be sending him of why it got
[1:05:04] denied?
[1:05:04] >> I mean,
[1:05:05] >> yeah, it'll
[1:05:06] >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll do a we'll do a a kind
[1:05:09] of a letter, if you will, stating why it was denied.
[1:05:12] >> Okay.
[1:05:13] >> Y what the motions are.
[1:05:15] >> I guess tomorrow he'll be calling you
[1:05:16] about the porch to see if they want to
[1:05:18] proceed with that.
[1:05:19] >> Okay.
[1:05:19] Is that something that need to be
[1:05:21] like decided tonight or is that
[1:05:23] something that he can call you and kind
[1:05:24] of talk over?
[1:05:25] >> No, they
[1:05:26] >> we've already approved the
[1:05:27] >> Yeah, the porch the porch is approved.
[1:05:31] >> Yeah. And and it has a what a six-month
[1:05:33] time on it, too.
[1:05:34] >> Yeah. So, so once it's approved and you know and you have that in your hand,
[1:05:39] you got 6 months to build it.
[1:05:41] >> So, we're good.
[1:05:42] >> All right. Thank you. Yes.
[1:05:43] >> Thank you.
[1:05:47] » Okay. Are we ready to adjourn? Motion to
[1:05:50] adjurnn.
[1:05:51] >> I think I have a motion and a second to
[1:05:53] adjurnn. Oh,
[1:05:55] >> all in favor? Yoinks.