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tonight's meeting to order. If you would

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please stand and join me in the pledge.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Uh [clears throat] Pam, would you do a

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roll call, please?

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>> Mayor time

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>> here.

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>> Alderwoman D. Alderman Fehey, Alderman

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>> Alderman Huey

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>> Alderman Idman

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>> Alderman Ross. Alderman Prince

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>> Alderman Stiger

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>> Mayor, we have a quorum.

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>> Thank you very much. At this time, we

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will look for approval of tonight's

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>> Motion to approve.

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>> Second.

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>> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in

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>> Any opposed?

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Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, no

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presentations or awards tonight. Um,

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don't see Jamie Inman from Jer Fett, so

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we may just bring her back at a later

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date.

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So, we will move along tonight to our

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city administrator's report. Thank you,

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mayor.

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Good evening, everyone. Uh, you do have

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an updated report as you're seeing quite

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a bit. I apologize, but uh I prepped

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this report last Tuesday and then uh had

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to make some uh amendments. Uh on number

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one there, you'll see I had put the

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replacement of the concrete street would

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begin this week. That's actually next

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week. They're finishing up a couple of

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service lines. I was out there today. Uh

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they'll start tearing out concrete and

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putting in the new street next week.

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driven by, there's obviously a lot of

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dirt work and grading going on at the

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new subdivision site. Uh but I wanted to

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clarify something cuz we've been talking

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about groundbreaking and grand opening.

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The grand opening for sales, even though

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sales will actually be open October 2nd,

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uh the grand opening for the sales team

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will be Saturday, October 24th. So, two

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different events, certainly not required

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or needed or to be at the grand opening,

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but the groundbreaking um I know they'll

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be sending out invites. I'm sure you'll

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all receive one.

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tell you that the we posted a new survey

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on the website to get some feedback on

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the proposed splash pad uh to go in

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Parquette Park. I posted that last

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Tuesday. I have nearly 800 responses

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already. So, I'll get those numbers to

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>> You said 800. nearly 800. Yeah.

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to number 10. Uh related to number four,

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I have a received a letter of intent

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from a third organization, the Spring

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for Down Syndrome and Challenger Sports

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committee. They have committed to

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donating another 25,000 to the Splash

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Pads. So the donations are now up to

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RPC and Nick and Mary Dunzy to prepare

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that land and water conservation fund

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grant. So, right now we're at, you know,

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with the city's commitment and the

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organizations at 175,000. I'm looking

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for another 25,000. That'll be 200.

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you know, if you remember, we moved our

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meetings. I'll be out at the Missouri

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Public Utilities Alliance Conference in

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Branson, October 7th through the 9th.

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updates down there. Bowman's will be

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starting the milling and paving work

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that work, they'll actually probably be

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there tomorrow cleaning the streets. Uh

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maybe doing some saw cutting and

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prepping for the work next week.

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um each of our October work sessions.

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process, we talked about economic

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development dollars um and the

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organizations that we were budgeting

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money for. So, those organizations were

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invited back. Uh we'll have Prosperity

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and the Chamber of Commerce on the 29th

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work session to go through kind of our

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expectations for that money that's in

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the budget for them.

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the bottom, I don't usually do this and

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I hope I I don't miss anything, but I

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wanted to point out there are a ton of

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items going on in town this weekend. So,

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if you have the ability to go downtown

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and visit, uh, please do so. Friday is

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the uh, St. Jen homecoming parade. Also,

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the fourth Friday art walk. Saturday is

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Street. The rally car show that's down

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at the Moses Austin property. and the

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trail and trous national public lands

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day that's out at the levy. Not to

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mention there are also multiple events

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going on in the county this weekend. So,

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lots going on this weekend.

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Dave, on uh number three on Crestland

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um looks like there's still more dirt to

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be moved, I guess.

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that's going there is there.

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the way to the end of October, November.

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plant trees, seeds, straw. Yeah.

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» It It could take 2 weeks, but

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>> Is that covert pipe still exposed out

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underneath our existing road between our

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cemetery and the Catholic cemetery is

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extended. So, it's now exposed much

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» Oh, just wanted to thank you for the

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project on Chadwell Lane. The concrete

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spillway through there will uh uh keep a

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lot of tires from getting, you know,

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busted and stuff and all the rock and

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stuff, but it's looks nice. That was a

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combination of Corey and I putting our

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heads together and trying to uh come up

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with a plan to, if you haven't been by

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Chadwell, divert water from crossing the

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street in a couple spots, which gets

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very icy sometimes, [clears throat]

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under uh Jack Donsy's driveway and then

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other questions for Dave regarding his

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Hey Jamie, uh we'll backtrack a little

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bit and bring you up and have you talk

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about your effect. No, you're great.

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that I really have to report is we had

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175 crafters, about 230 booths, and then

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about 19 to 21 food vendors and alcohol

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vendors. Um, I mean, it went well. I

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know everybody or not everybody, but a

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lot of people want to know why it can't

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be moved. It just can't. It's 58 years.

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schedule to go through. All the food

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vendors know. I mean, I don't know. have

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a jeret in September and start a

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different one in a sep or in October and

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September. You're going to have weather

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in October. It could be cold. It could

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be rainy. It could be anything.

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August. It's been going on 58 years. I

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have committed to the 60th anniversary,

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which is 2 years from now. I am on my

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16th year of Jeret. Um, it's always been

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fun and it's always been nice to do. The

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last few years have not been. [laughter]

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So, I am committed to the 60th

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anniversary because I promised people

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that are on the board, but anybody that

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wants to get involved needs to get

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involved. I know it sounds like 2 years,

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but Zer Fett will be here and then the

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next one is the 60th. So, unless

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something changes

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in the community between now and then, I

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probably done. Yeah. So, it is what it

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is. Yeah. And I think people need to

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remember that we're a nonprofit

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organization, too. not just everybody

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else. And first and foremost, when I

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started to be the president 16 years

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ago, that was our top priority. The St.

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Genevieve community, the downtown

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businesses, and there's a lot of other

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craft shows that happen in other towns,

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and they make the businesses pay for a

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spot to bring their stuff out. We have

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never We want it to be about St. Genevie

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first and foremost. Then it is about the

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crafters because it is a craft show. And

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then after that, then it's everything

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else. But we have always done that. And

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I feel that something has switched in

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the community. And I think people have

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forgot that we're a nonprofit. We take

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care of that property down there. We

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have to get it mowed. That costs us

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money. We have a very thin budget. If

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something would happen, Jere would cease

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to exist. It costs us about $25 to

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$30,000 to put on jerif. We pay for our

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insurance. We pay for all of our

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advertising. We do get help from the

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city workers. Always do our trash cans,

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put them out. We make multiple donations

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to different organizations, both Boy

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Scouts, um, St. Agnes School, they have

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taken over our trash. Before that, it

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was Kinsey Fire Department since, I

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don't know, probably the 70s. They've

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been taking care of trash. And since

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things happened with taxes, I don't know

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anything about that or whatever, they

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could not take donations. So, um, St.

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Agnes has stepped up. uh Bloomsdale PTO

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has stepped up and we give everybody a

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donation that helps us and we maintain

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all those electric poles that are in St.

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Genevie and we let everybody use them

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for free. We let everybody use our

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property for free and there are lots of

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people that go down there and take

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pictures on the bridge and in 16 years

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that bridge has been taken out three

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times [laughter] and I have had to do

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the paperwork. I don't know when that

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started. people stop taking care of

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their insurance when they destroy other

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people's property. But whatever. Um

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we're still waiting for this third and

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final destruction of the bridge to get

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paid by the person who did that and

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their insurance company. And um we put

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$10,000 into that bridge last year of

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our own fet money and then it got burned

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and now we're waiting to get to that

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taken care of. We did pay that out of

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our pocket too this year waiting to get

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reimbursed for that and whether or not

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that happens I do not know yet.

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But we do do a lot of work and there are

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only a handful of us that do it and put

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on Jeret and I'm always proud that we

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can do that. But the proud of some of

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the organizations and some of the

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nonprofits and the things that have

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happened in the last couple years. It's

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just doesn't feel like it's that much

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community anymore. I think some people

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are taking it on. I and I understand

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everybody's struggling. Everybody needs

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help. Everybody is struggling. But I

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think they have to remember that we are

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nonprofit, too, and that we do a lot to

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make sure that this thing goes off

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without anybody really having to worry

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about it. I mean, I don't think the

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city's ever really had to, you know what

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I mean, ever really had to worry that

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something was going to happen. We have

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our own insurance, you know, and we do

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all of that stuff, but we always get

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help from the city workers and they're

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always fabulous. And if I call whoever

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is the city administrator, they've

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always just been very good to us. So,

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it's not really, you know, about that.

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Everybody has always helped and we're

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always very thankful for that. So,

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>> yeah. Does anybody have any questions?

322
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>> You're all volunteers. You don't have

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any paid staff.

324
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>> No, we do not have any paid staff. No.

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it's all volunteer. Yep. Yep. And

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all of us that volunteer all have

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full-time and then some jobs and

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full-time and then some lives that go

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along with that. And for the most part,

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like I said, it's always been very good.

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I just um it's just, you know, in the

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last couple years, it's just gotten

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hard. So, you know, it is what it is.

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>> Well, we thank you and your committee

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for another wonderful

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>> Does anybody want to have any questions

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or want to know anything about Zer Fett?

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And we are having our first meeting back

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after Jera Fett. We kind of take

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September off to

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>> breathe. So, our first meeting is the

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first Monday in October. I think it's

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the fifth or the 3rd or somebody help

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me.

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>> Fifth.

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>> Somebody do the math. The fifth. Okay.

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And it will be at the Cafe Genevieve and

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they usually start at 5:30. If we're

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going to do a different time, one of the

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girls will post it on our Facebook, but

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it's usually by 5:30. And anybody can

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come. If you have any questions or you

353
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just want to, you know, see what's going

354
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on or if you're interested in hopping in

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and helping, you can do that, too.

356
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So, anybody else?

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>> [clears throat]

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>> Thank you so much. All right.

359
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>> Appreciate it. Thanks. See you

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running.

361
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>> Right back to the kitchen. There she

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goes.

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All righty. Glad Jamie could make it.

364
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Appreciate all of her uh her work and

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her committee's work on another great

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event. I look forward to next year. Uh

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move along to staff reports tonight.

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First up, we've got Erica. You standing

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in?

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> All right.

372
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Good evening everyone. I will try my

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best to answer any questions about

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Corey's report, but he did have a couple

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items he specifically wanted to to pass

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along, which he already touched on the

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Chadwell

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um gutter. He indicated that he's going

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to finish up the work on that ditch in

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the next week or two. So, more to come

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on that and get that totally buttoned

382
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up. Uh he said that the Valley Springs

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concrete is complete. And then also um

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the big one was the the tie-in at 8th

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and Ridgeway is complete. So that

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transite line is abandoned out of

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service [snorts]

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[clears throat]

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questions.

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[clears throat] All right.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Got off easy tonight.

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Thank you, Erica.

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And then next up tonight we have

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Lieutenant Pollock

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standing in for Chief Al.

397
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Good evening everybody. You guys have a

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copy of our report in front of you if

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you have any questions.

400
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[clears throat]

401
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» I think last week

402
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come you had a new hire coming on.

403
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>> Yeah. is they're they're on board.

404
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>> They're on board.

405
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>> So, your full staff then?

406
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>> No, we're still we're still pending one

407
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more.

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>> Out of those 278 warnings, [snorts] um

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do you attract like UTVs and vehicles

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differently or they're all just

411
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warnings?

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>> If it's traffic related, just you know,

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automobiles, just vehicles.

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>> Yeah.

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noticed several uh

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fast UTVs around and no signal lights

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and stuff like that. But

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yeah, if if there's if they're stopped

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by one of our officers, it's counted as

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a traffic stop, you know, and whether

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it's a warning or citation, it's all the

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same.

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Any

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other questions,

425
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comments?

426
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Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.

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At this time, we will open up the floor

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to public comment. Just a reminder to

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please state your name for the record

430
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and keep your comments to 5 minutes or

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less.

432
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Okay, there's no public comment tonight.

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We will move along. Uh we do have a

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public hearing tonight. Uh the mayor and

435
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board of aldermen will hold a public

436
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hearing to consider a request from Lee

437
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Boak for a special use permit to operate

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a guest lodging establishment Airbnb at

439
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6 Herszog Lane and an R1 single family

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residential district. We will open up

441
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this public hearing at 6:17.

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[clears throat]

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» Good evening, mayor, alderwoman, and

444
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alderman. Uh, as the mayor just

445
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mentioned, uh, the request for the

446
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special use permit before you tonight uh

447
00:17:01,279 --> 00:17:03,519
is going to be for a lodging

448
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establishment at a single family

449
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residence [clears throat] um, located at

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Hick 6 Herszog Lane. Uh, that property

451
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is located in R1 general residential

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district. Um it's a 3acre piece of

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property, actually a little bit more

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than 3 acres. Um so that property is

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located at the end of Horus Lane is not

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even a city street. It's located at the

457
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end of that street. Um plenty of

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parking, meets all the requirements uh

459
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that's required for uh under the special

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use permit for an Airbnb. Uh property's

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not located in a flood zone. Um, and it meets uh all the other requirements

462
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as far as signage. They don't have any

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signage. It's not allowed when you uh do

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this in an R1 zoning district. Um I

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think Lee is here. Yep. So Lee is here.

466
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if you have any questions for her. Um,

467
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this went through planning and zoning um

468
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on September 3rd and um you guys have in

469
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your should have in your packet there um

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their approval. Um so they voted

471
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unanimously uh to approve it and pass it

472
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along uh to you guys tonight. Um also I

473
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had uh chief of police and uh the fire

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chief look at this as well and they both

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have given their approval. Um the

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adjoining property owners were all

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notified uh via mail as per the

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requirements and um this was also posted

479
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uh in our uh local paper uh as per

480
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requirements for the meeting here

481
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tonight. Does anyone have any questions

482
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for me or Fly?

483
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» I have one. There's been some issues

484
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around in that neighborhood with just

485
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sloppy housekeeping, you know, and with

486
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that not being a city street. Um, do we

487
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have the same ability to police that

488
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area? And

489
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>> well, so one of the properties that

490
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you're referring to, uh, we've, uh,

491
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between me and the police department,

492
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um, especially related to a lot of the

493
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vehicles and some trash in that area,

494
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uh, have been dealing with those folks

495
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cuz the actual prop that actual

496
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property, uh, actually doesn't front.

497
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You can get there off this street, but

498
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they have an easement, but their main

499
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access is not off of that street. So,

500
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uh, but yes, we have, as far as parking

501
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in there,

502
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it's an easement, so we can't really,

503
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you know, if they were parking in that,

504
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we can't really get them for parking on

505
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the street. I'll leave that for the

506
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police department to decide. But, um, as

507
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far as any other violations, they're

508
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we're dealing those just like we deal

509
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with everybody else. So,

510
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>> so whether it's a city street or not, it

511
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makes no difference.

512
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>> Correct.

513
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cuz there's another one up there off

514
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that lane that's starting to look pretty

515
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uh bad.

516
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>> Yeah. And we we actually uh the owners

517
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uh of this property and I have discussed

518
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that as well and some others from that

519
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,679
area have have called. So uh that's on

520
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our list. It's on your guys' board I

521
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think too. So um we are addressing those

522
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situations.

523
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Any

524
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uh questions, comments from the board

525
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regarding uh the request?

526
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Okay. Any comment from the public

527
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regarding the request?

528
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Okay. If not, I will go ahead and close

529
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the public hearing at 6:21.

530
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Thank you very much, Robert. Uh we'll

531
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also have a second public hearing. This

532
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is uh the mayor and board of alderman

533
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will hold a public hearing to consider

534
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the approval of a subdivision plat

535
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identified as progress point plat 1.

536
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This is plat cabinet C pages 549 through

537
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556 located in US survey 3253

538
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[clears throat] township 38 north range

539
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9 east of the uh the fifth principal

540
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,919
meridian city of St. Genevie St. Genevie

541
00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:58,240
County. We will open that public hearing

542
00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,400
at 6:21.

543
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,480
Um so um this this plat uh as you as you

544
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,840
all know we've been working on this

545
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,720
project long before I even came here. Um

546
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,919
so this is just the culmination of uh

547
00:21:11,919 --> 00:21:14,159
all the work that has been done up until

548
00:21:14,159 --> 00:21:17,679
now. Um and as uh the city administrator

549
00:21:17,679 --> 00:21:20,480
mentioned earlier uh in this meeting

550
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,240
that all the dirt work and everything

551
00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:23,679
that's going on out there, they're

552
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:27,200
getting to a point where um that's

553
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,760
getting toward the end. So, what this

554
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,320
plat does is it takes um I don't know if

555
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,240
you you all remember the previous plat

556
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,480
that was before you um which you read

557
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:40,000
the name of it there um actually takes

558
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,640
the city dividing it up into seven lots.

559
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,480
Now it's going to be divided into the

560
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,679
137 individual home lots plus the common

561
00:21:47,679 --> 00:21:50,240
grounds. So that's what this plat does.

562
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,679
So, uh, and also within that, it sets

563
00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:57,039
the street lines, the street names,

564
00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,720
um, where all the utilities are going to

565
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,720
go, the utility easements. That's all

566
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,679
set based off this plat. Um, and then

567
00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:06,640
that also gives u us the ability to move

568
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,120
forward with bringing in all the

569
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:11,360
retainage for the infrastructure

570
00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:14,480
improvements. Um, and that's what this

571
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:16,320
plant will do. And it allow them to go

572
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:17,760
ahead and start ordering the materials

573
00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,480
for that. um there's quite a material

574
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,120
lag time, so they want to get that going

575
00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,840
as soon as possible. Um so once this is

576
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,280
recorded and we receive all the uh fees

577
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,280
that that go along with this, then

578
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:32,880
they'll be able to order those materials

579
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,960
and get them here as soon as possible.

580
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,919
Um so that's why uh we're asking for you

581
00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:39,840
to approve that. It's uh also went

582
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,440
through PNZ. Um PNZ approved it uh

583
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,760
unanimously to forward to you guys

584
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,640
tonight. and it has also been posted in

585
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,559
the paper uh as well for the

586
00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,440
requirements.

587
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,110
>> Excellent.

588
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:03,110
» Any questions from the board?

589
00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,760
» Okay. Any comment or questions from the

590
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,240
public?

591
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,159
Okay. If there are no further questions

592
00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:11,919
or comments, we will close that public

593
00:23:11,919 --> 00:23:13,600
hearing at 6:23. Thank you.

594
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,430
>> Thank you very much, Robert.

595
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,679
That will take us to tonight's consent

596
00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:21,440
agenda.

597
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,200
>> Motion to approve. Second. Okay, I have

598
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,000
a motion and a second. All in favor?

599
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,110
>> I

600
00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,360
» Okay, any opposed?

601
00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:35,600
All right, thank you very much. Uh take

602
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,840
us to some old business tonight. Uh we

603
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,400
have uh scheduled two readings of this.

604
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,320
Uh this will be a first reading of bill

605
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,039
number 4738.

606
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:46,559
This is an ordinance authorizing the

607
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:48,240
city of St. Genevie, Missouri to enter

608
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,120
into a contract with Meuire Iron

609
00:23:51,120 --> 00:23:53,280
Incorporated for emergency repairs and

610
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,159
improvements to the city's on-site water

611
00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:58,080
tank. I just want to point out that at

612
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:59,600
your seat also was an additional

613
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,520
document. It's the reported emergency

614
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,600
purchase, which lines out the reasons

615
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,000
why we're doing this emergency purchase.

616
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,480
Motion to approve. Second.

617
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,400
>> Okay. I still didn't see the term

618
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,000
disinfected

619
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,760
of the tank once they're done. I mean, I

620
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,200
know they're painting it inside and out,

621
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,440
but that's still kind of a pretty

622
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,950
critical.

623
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,520
It says tank. Oh, that's the exclusions

624
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,159
part. So, we'll have to either do that

625
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,919
or contract it oursel. I don't know,

626
00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:31,279
Erica, if you know the answer to that

627
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:32,880
one or not.

628
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,440
>> I'm not sure what the question is.

629
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,960
>> Part of the contract with Meguire

630
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,720
doesn't include disinfection at the end

631
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,720
of the painting process.

632
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,720
Um, but I know we've hired people to do

633
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,230
that before.

634
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,200
» We'll get it figured out.

635
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,000
>> Yeah. Yeah.

636
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,919
>> Because I know in the original contract

637
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:54,080
they said there was no disinfecting of

638
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,440
the thing and stuff. So,

639
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,720
>> they're going to be disinfecting the

640
00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:03,350
inside.

641
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,360
You see it on the front page of the

642
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:13,712
contract.

643
00:25:13,722 --> 00:25:14,240
» [clears throat]

644
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,120
>> This is interior wet disinfection.

645
00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:22,882
>> That's what I mean. Sanitary.

646
00:25:22,892 --> 00:25:23,440
[clears throat]

647
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,200
>> Yeah, that's what he's talking about.

648
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,039
>> Now you're under contract.

649
00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:28,799
>> The exclusions under tank disinfection,

650
00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:30,000
which is what I thought you were asking

651
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,480
about, involve the aluminum dome or

652
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,039
steel, I'm sorry, the dome that will be

653
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,960
built and installed.

654
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,760
But the interior wet part that holds the

655
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,507
water, this includes disinfection.

656
00:25:44,507 --> 00:25:46,159
[clears throat]

657
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:48,559
>> Okay.

658
00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:50,400
I do believe I have a motion and a

659
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,279
second on the floor. All in favor?

660
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:53,919
>> I.

661
00:25:53,919 --> 00:25:56,080
>> Any opposed? [clears throat]

662
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:57,600
>> Motion for a second reading.

663
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,480
>> Okay.

664
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:01,520
>> Second.

665
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,000
>> Okay. I have a motion and a second for a

666
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,400
second reading of bill number 4738. All

667
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,679
in favor?

668
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:08,320
>> I.

669
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:10,400
>> Any opposed?

670
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,470
>> Okay.

671
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320
» This will be a second reading of bill

672
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,880
number 4738. This is an ordinance

673
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,480
authorizing the city of St. Genevie,

674
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,320
Missouri to enter into a contract with

675
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,120
Meguire Iron Incorporated for emergency

676
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,880
repairs and improvements to the city's

677
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,559
on-site water tank.

678
00:26:28,559 --> 00:26:30,000
>> Motion to approve. Second.

679
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,520
>> Second.

680
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,360
>> We have a motion and a second. Pam,

681
00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:34,559
would you do a roll call, please?

682
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:35,840
Alderman Stiger,

683
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:36,320
>> yes.

684
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,360
>> Alderman Prince,

685
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:38,400
>> yes. [clears throat]

686
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,520
>> Alderman Einman,

687
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:40,240
>> yes.

688
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,520
>> Alderman Huey,

689
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:42,240
>> yes.

690
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,279
>> Alderman Donovan,

691
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:44,080
>> yes.

692
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,360
>> Alderwoman Dobs,

693
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:46,000
>> yeah.

694
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,960
>> Six just zero. No, two absent. Bill

695
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,919
number 4738 now becomes ordinance number

696
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:53,919
4659.

697
00:26:53,919 --> 00:26:56,320
>> Thank you very much.

698
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,919
>> Next up tonight is the second reading of

699
00:26:57,919 --> 00:27:00,480
bill number 4739. This is an ordinance

700
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,799
authorizing the mayor to enter into and

701
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,400
execute a professional operating

702
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,159
services and management agreement with

703
00:27:06,159 --> 00:27:08,559
Alliance Water Resources Incorporated, a

704
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:10,559
Missouri corporation. Motion

705
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:14,799
>> to approve. I'll second it then.

706
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,799
Have a motion and a second. Any

707
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:19,360
discussion? Okay. Pam, would you do a

708
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:20,159
roll call, please?

709
00:27:20,159 --> 00:27:21,200
>> Alderwoman Dobs.

710
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:21,760
>> Yes.

711
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:22,799
>> Alderman Donovan?

712
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:23,039
>> Yes.

713
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,000
>> Alderman Huey?

714
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,400
>> Yes.

715
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,520
>> Alderman Stiger?

716
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:25,840
>> Yes.

717
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:26,799
>> Alderman Prince?

718
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:27,120
>> Yes.

719
00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:28,080
>> Alderman Nman?

720
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,640
>> Yes.

721
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,760
>> Six? Yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

722
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,080
number 4739,

723
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,600
now [clears throat] is ordinance 4660.

724
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,400
>> Thank you very much. That'll take us to

725
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,520
a second reading of bill number 4740.

726
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,799
This is an ordinance of the board of

727
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:46,480
alderman of the city of St. Genevie,

728
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,400
Missouri, adopting the annual budget for

729
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,960
fiscal year 2027 and approving an

730
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,120
effective date.

731
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,399
>> Motion to approve.

732
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:57,279
>> Second.

733
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,679
Okay, I have a motion and a second. Pam,

734
00:27:59,679 --> 00:28:00,880
would you do a roll call, please?

735
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,000
>> Alderman Hwie,

736
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:02,399
>> yes.

737
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:03,440
>> Alderman,

738
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:03,760
>> yes.

739
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:04,880
>> Alderman Donovan,

740
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,360
>> yes.

741
00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:06,399
>> Alderman Prince,

742
00:28:06,399 --> 00:28:06,799
>> yes.

743
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:07,760
>> Alderman Stiger,

744
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,159
>> yes.

745
00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:09,120
>> Alderwoman DS,

746
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:10,000
>> yes.

747
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,880
>> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

748
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:18,799
number 4740 now becomes ordinance 4661.

749
00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,000
>> Thank you very much. Uh then last in old

750
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:23,520
business tonight, we have a second

751
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,240
reading of bill number 4741.

752
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,679
This is an ordinance authorizing the

753
00:28:27,679 --> 00:28:29,440
mayor to enter into an agreement between

754
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,600
the city of St. Genevieve and the St.

755
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Genevieve Community Access Television

756
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399
Board, channel 990-91.

757
00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:37,520
>> Motion to approve.

758
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,760
>> Second.

759
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
>> We have a motion and a second. Pam,

760
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,120
would you do a roll call, please?

761
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,880
>> Alderman Donovan,

762
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:45,440
>> yes.

763
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,559
>> Alderwoman Dobs,

764
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,240
>> yes. Alderman Huey,

765
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:49,600
>> yes. Alderman Prince,

766
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,000
>> yes.

767
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,039
>> Alderman Stiger,

768
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:51,360
>> yes.

769
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,240
>> Alderman,

770
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,960
>> yes.

771
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,080
>> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

772
00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,279
number 4741 now becomes ordinance 4662.

773
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,600
>> Thank you very much.

774
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,600
Some new business tonight. Uh, first up,

775
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,640
we have resolution 2026-56.

776
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,399
This is a resolution appointing Rhett

777
00:29:10,399 --> 00:29:12,159
Hendrickson to the St. Genevieve

778
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:14,559
Heritage Commission.

779
00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,399
>> Motion to approve.

780
00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,159
Second.

781
00:29:18,159 --> 00:29:20,640
>> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

782
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,480
in favor?

783
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,880
>> Any opposed?

784
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,840
>> Okay, thank you very much. Uh, next up

785
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,640
is a first reading of bill number 4742.

786
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,399
This is an ordinance calling for the

787
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,080
general election of officers of the city

788
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,240
of St. Genevie, Missouri to be held

789
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,360
April 6th, 2027 and providing notice to

790
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,520
the general public.

791
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,799
>> Motion to approve.

792
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,230
>> Second.

793
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,919
Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

794
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:48,720
in favor?

795
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:49,760
>> I.

796
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,000
>> Any opposed?

797
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Thank you very much.

798
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,159
Next up is bill number 4743. This is a

799
00:29:58,159 --> 00:29:59,679
first reading and this is an ordinance

800
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:01,520
approving a special use permit for Lee

801
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,120
Boiaak

802
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,760
Lenny Kathy and Michael Herszog senior

803
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,840
joint ownership that will allow the

804
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,760
operation of a guest lodging business at

805
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Six Herzog Lane.

806
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,000
>> Motion to approve. Second.

807
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,640
>> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All

808
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,559
in favor?

809
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,279
>> Any opposed?

810
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,080
Thank you very much.

811
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:25,679
We have two readings scheduled for this

812
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,000
one. If you so choose, uh, this would be

813
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,480
a first reading of bill number 4744.

814
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,919
This is an ordinance accepting and

815
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:33,919
approving a subdivision plat identified

816
00:30:33,919 --> 00:30:37,520
as progress point plat 2.

817
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,200
Motion to approve.

818
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,880
>> Second.

819
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,960
>> Okay. Okay, have a motion and a second.

820
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120
All in favor?

821
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,440
>> Any opposed?

822
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Thank you.

823
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:55,830
>> Motion for a second reading, please.

824
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:56,799
» Second.

825
00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:57,679
>> Discussion.

826
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:58,640
>> Yes, sir.

827
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,720
>> Just reason two readings.

828
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,279
>> Go ahead.

829
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:06,960
>> Um, so, uh, couple reasons. uh one is uh

830
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,240
as I discussed earlier the timeline uh

831
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:11,840
that's involved with getting the

832
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,000
material here and by the time that

833
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,880
happens um especially since and another

834
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,600
reason is we move that uh next our next

835
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,840
meeting back a week. So that's another

836
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,000
additional week that it'll take to get

837
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880
those materials here. Um so that's uh

838
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,480
the main reasons they're requesting that

839
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,360
to happen. In addition, uh again, this

840
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,360
is just a culmination of everything that you all has been before you guys

841
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,000
the whole time. Um we're just uh

842
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,159
finalizing those items.

843
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:42,799
>> Thank you.

844
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,559
>> I believe there's a motion and a second

845
00:31:44,559 --> 00:31:46,159
for a second reading of bill number

846
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:47,679
4744.

847
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:49,519
All in favor?

848
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,519
>> Any opposed?

849
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,440
Okay. This will be a second reading of

850
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,840
bill number 4744. This is an ordinance

851
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,600
accepting and approving a subdivision

852
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080
plat identified as progress point plat

853
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,240
2.

854
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,470
>> Motion to approve.

855
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,080
» Second.

856
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,240
>> Okay. I have a motion and a second. Pam,

857
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,799
would you do a roll call, please?

858
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:13,919
>> Alderman,

859
00:32:13,919 --> 00:32:14,240
>> yes.

860
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,440
>> Alderman Huey,

861
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:15,760
>> yes.

862
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,720
>> Alderman Donovan,

863
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:17,039
>> yes.

864
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,080
>> Alderwoman Dobs,

865
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:18,399
>> yes.

866
00:32:18,399 --> 00:32:19,440
>> Alderman Prince,

867
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:19,679
>> yes.

868
00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:20,720
>> Alderman Stiger,

869
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:21,360
>> yes.

870
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,240
>> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill

871
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,519
number 4745 now become oh bill number

872
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:31,840
4744 now becomes ordinance 4663.

873
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,880
>> Thank you very much. And last up in new

874
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,559
business tonight we have a first reading

875
00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,720
of bill number 4745.

876
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,399
This is an ordinance approving a budget

877
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,159
amendment to the city of St. Genevie for

878
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:44,480
the fiscal year 2026 budget relating to

879
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,480
the various revenue and expenditure

880
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,440
increases. Motion to approve. Second.

881
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,960
>> Okay. I have a motion and a second. All

882
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:55,919
in favor?

883
00:32:55,919 --> 00:32:56,799
>> I.

884
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:00,310
>> Any opposed?

885
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,480
Okay. Thank you very much. That will

886
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,159
conclude our schedule of business. Any

887
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:05,760
other business to bring forth before the

888
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,430
board at this time?

889
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Okay.

890
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,919
If not, then we will adjourn and move

891
00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:17,760
into work session. Thank you all very

892
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,230
much.

893
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,240
tonight's work session to order.

894
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,760
At this time, I'll look for approval of

895
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,640
tonight's work session agenda.

896
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,240
So move

897
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:32,960
>> second.

898
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,960
>> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in

899
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,320
favor?

900
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,159
>> Any opposed?

901
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:39,840
Okay. Thank you very much. Uh first

902
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,279
topic tonight, we're going to discuss

903
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:45,440
some animal control regulations. So, uh,

904
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,360
about a month ago, we brought this up

905
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,919
under other business and there was some

906
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,919
questions, so we decided to bring it

907
00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,000
back to work session. [clears throat]

908
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,679
Um, I believe you have a report at your

909
00:33:55,679 --> 00:33:58,080
desk and or sorry, at your seat and

910
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:03,590
Robert's going to go over that staff.

911
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Um, so over the past, as my letter says

912
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,240
or my report here says, over the past uh

913
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,839
several months, the city's received

914
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:12,720
multiple issues um concerning animal

915
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:16,000
control. Um, and I only know about

916
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
probably a handful of them. Um, I'm sure

917
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,679
the police get a lot more that I don't

918
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:21,760
even know [clears throat] about. Um,

919
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,240
everything again from animal waste to

920
00:34:24,240 --> 00:34:27,040
too many animals at one location and

921
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,599
kind of everything in between. Um, so I

922
00:34:29,599 --> 00:34:31,200
kind of put together a list of bulleted

923
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,359
items here, uh, that I think are

924
00:34:33,359 --> 00:34:36,000
probably the most important to address.

925
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,879
Um, currently the city, uh, as far as

926
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,200
their animal control services, uh, they

927
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,639
kind of have a handshake deal with the

928
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,359
county. Uh, we greatly appreciate that.

929
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:48,399
Um, but as you can imagine, uh, that

930
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,639
gentleman is having to do animal control

931
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:53,359
all over the county. So, if he's on one

932
00:34:53,359 --> 00:34:55,599
side of the county and we've got a

933
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:57,520
situation where we've got five or six

934
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,200
dogs jumping out the window of a house

935
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:00,960
and running all over the neighborhood,

936
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,359
we kind of need somebody to take

937
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:06,880
attention to that in a in a hurry. Um, I

938
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,079
oversaw animal control at Crystal City.

939
00:35:10,079 --> 00:35:12,160
Um, so I'm well aware of how important

940
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,000
it is to get to the scene as soon as

941
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,160
possible. A lot of times those issues

942
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,560
disappear by the time we arrive. So,

943
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,259
it's kind of hard to verify

944
00:35:20,259 --> 00:35:22,240
[clears throat] something that can't see

945
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,359
when we get there. Um, and those uh

946
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,680
sometimes result in people getting bit,

947
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,359
hurt, chased, all kinds of things. So,

948
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:34,160
um, with that, um, you [clears throat]

949
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:35,599
know, it's it's kind of hard to do that.

950
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:37,839
We do the best we can with what we got.

951
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:40,320
Um, again, we appreciate the the county

952
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,880
and what they do for us. Um, you know,

953
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,359
the officers have have done things where

954
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:47,040
they've put animals in vehicles and done

955
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,520
the best they can, but um, you know,

956
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,800
there's just some you don't want to be

957
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,520
putting a an animal that's, uh, going to

958
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,280
bite your arm off, uh, in the back of

959
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,400
your patrol car, pretty much. So, um,

960
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,400
the current current ordrances uh,

961
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,800
haven't actually been actively enforced

962
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:04,240
uh, for the kind of the same reasons I

963
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:07,119
mentioned. Um, you know, it's kind of

964
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:09,839
hard to enforce something when, uh, one,

965
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:11,599
we don't have a regulation on how many

966
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,320
animals you can actually have. So, if

967
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,320
you're allowed to have 20 dogs, you're

968
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,119
allowed to have 20 dogs unless it breaks

969
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,000
something else in the ordinance.

970
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:22,720
Did you have a question?

971
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,400
>> Are we going to address that first one

972
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,000
or are we going to go back through the

973
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:26,800
however you want to do?

974
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,079
>> Uh, however you want to do it. If you

975
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:29,040
want me to just kind of go through them

976
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,240
real quick and then we'll talk about

977
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:32,160
them or we can do one at a time, however

978
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,800
you would like.

979
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,860
Okay. So, um, so the active enforcement,

980
00:36:38,860 --> 00:36:38,880
>> [clears throat]

981
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,240
>> um, like I said, we're we're doing the

982
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,400
best we can with with what we've got.

983
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,280
Um, increasing that enforcement, uh,

984
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,160
will result in, um, several things. One,

985
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,160
we'll have more detained animals that

986
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,440
we're going to have to do something

987
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,480
with. And, uh, based on my past

988
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,040
experience, uh, trying to find homes for

989
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,119
these animals and places to put them

990
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:01,440
when we don't have a facility ourselves

991
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,960
creates a real huge problem. So, um,

992
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,880
again, the county, I think, is looking

993
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:08,640
at, uh, doing some more with with

994
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,520
facilities, but again, um, with what

995
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,200
they have to deal with, and if we have

996
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,040
situations, there's just not enough

997
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,760
room. So, that's something we'll have to

998
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,920
address. Um, so the animals also that

999
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:25,440
people keep today, uh, snakes, rodents,

1000
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,920
herds of all kinds, uh, other than

1001
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
chickens, which are are allowed under

1002
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,400
certain, uh, conditions here. [snorts]

1003
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,560
um aren't addressed in the ordinance. Um

1004
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,320
the only way it addresses it, it's it's

1005
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,400
if if somebody finds it offensive or

1006
00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:40,640
disturbing and they're a reasonable

1007
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,200
person. Well,

1008
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,079
how do we know whether that really I

1009
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,079
mean, you're saying that, you know, that

1010
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:49,599
guy has a snake over there and I'm

1011
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:52,000
disturbed by that and I'm a reasonable

1012
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,440
person. Well, that's kind of too wide

1013
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,160
open. So, we need some more regulations

1014
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,119
uh related to the animals that uh the

1015
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,920
community wants to have. Uh and again

1016
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,960
the total numbers uh is a big one. Um

1017
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,880
that's that's got to be addressed and

1018
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,760
there's multiple ways to do that. Um, so

1019
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,160
my recommendation is have a general

1020
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:13,680
discussion here tonight about those

1021
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:17,040
topics and then uh direct uh staff to

1022
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,680
put something together uh taking our

1023
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,640
current ordinance uh into play and then

1024
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,960
tweaking it uh to how best uh we think

1025
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,880
it needs to go and we'll present that to

1026
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,040
you uh based on also with your comments

1027
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,680
here tonight.

1028
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,560
So, if we want to address uh the

1029
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,440
enforcement of it um right off the bat,

1030
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,839
we we it's the police department mainly

1031
00:38:41,839 --> 00:38:43,966
that's going to respond to those. Um

1032
00:38:43,966 --> 00:38:45,680
[clears throat] and Ryan, I guess you

1033
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,160
can address how uh you guys would handle

1034
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,640
if you've got a a dog. Let's just do it

1035
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,480
a dog situation where [clears throat]

1036
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,160
you know you got five or six dogs and

1037
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,839
they're running around the neighborhood

1038
00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:57,599
jumping out of the a house window with

1039
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,800
nobody around. Um, normally in the past

1040
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,800
we our officers respond to all animal

1041
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,160
calls when we're dispatched. I mean,

1042
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,000
it's just kind of how it goes. For

1043
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,200
transport, if we have to take one, you

1044
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,560
know, because they're loose or whatnot,

1045
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,000
then we do call the county, you know,

1046
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,680
and the animal control there has been

1047
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,400
pretty helpful overall. The only thing

1048
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,079
that we see on our side from on animal

1049
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:22,560
control is just the the hours that he

1050
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:22,960
works,

1051
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,359
>> right?

1052
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:25,280
>> So, um, I know that they're getting

1053
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,200
ready to make some changes. Um, I think

1054
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,839
Mike's retiring and so I'm I'm not too

1055
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,040
sure if that's going to change with the

1056
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440
new guy, but however,

1057
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,680
um, Monday through Friday we're usually

1058
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,359
able to get him in here when we need

1059
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:39,040
him, you know, and he does do other

1060
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,200
things in town that we don't do. He

1061
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,839
>> sets traps and and does, you know, odd

1062
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:45,920
other odd things like that to help with

1063
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,520
that site kind of stuff with people that

1064
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,640
call. So,

1065
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,640
>> Robert, I have to uh give the police

1066
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,400
department a pat on the back as far as

1067
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,640
their response. I recently had a dog

1068
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,960
bite on my hand. Was pretty serious. And

1069
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,200
they responded where they were right

1070
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,920
there. Y

1071
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:03,520
>> and the handling situation handled

1072
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839
professionally and the ambulance was

1073
00:40:05,839 --> 00:40:08,320
there. Everything fell right into place

1074
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,320
and and Mike came in and took care of

1075
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,320
the dog, but the whole thing was handled

1076
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,960
professionally without a hitch. Now all

1077
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,480
I got to do is get paid. And with that

1078
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,920
happening, um, you know, or for the

1079
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,000
ordinance, you know, that dog that bit

1080
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,440
you should have had a a tag and and a

1081
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,160
license here registered with the city to

1082
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,920
prove that it had its rabies

1083
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,440
vaccinations.

1084
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,760
And then we would be looking at

1085
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,160
classifying that animal as possibly a

1086
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,160
dangerous animal. And there's all kinds

1087
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,400
of things that have to happen to house a

1088
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,000
dangerous animal and things like that.

1089
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400
So there's further things that need to

1090
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,560
happen when something like that happens.

1091
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,079
>> Fortunately, the owner of the dog came

1092
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,880
forward and everything in place. They

1093
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,000
just didn't have the tags.

1094
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,760
>> Excellent.

1095
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,440
>> But don't we have the ordinance in place

1096
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,000
as far as the tags and requirements and

1097
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,680
>> Yes, for that. Yeah,

1098
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,319
>> the ordinance is there. And a lot of

1099
00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:06,000
those don't, you know, we don't know

1100
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,839
they have we don't know they have

1101
00:41:07,839 --> 00:41:10,800
animals until we're responding to a

1102
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,200
situation. Um, and I can tell you, you

1103
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,560
know, we we can put rules and

1104
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,480
regulations in place, but that's still

1105
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,839
going to happen to a certain extent. Um,

1106
00:41:21,839 --> 00:41:25,359
my really my main concern honestly is

1107
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:28,720
two things. the number of animals right

1108
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:32,000
now, the number of animals, and what are

1109
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,160
we going to do if the county uh the new

1110
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,720
guy doesn't carry on like like they have

1111
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:40,720
in the past cuz there's nothing, you

1112
00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,680
know, in writing. Uh and then really the

1113
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,960
other thing is um the number of not

1114
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,119
number of pets, but the type of pets

1115
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:53,589
that are allowed.

1116
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:55,280
So, what we're asking for is some

1117
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:56,720
feedback because last time we brought

1118
00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:58,560
this up, there was do we really need to

1119
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,800
do this? Uh, and I informed you that

1120
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,400
there was a house here locally that had

1121
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,560
19 dogs. So, um, it is

1122
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,040
>> always

1123
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,720
it is something that needs to be

1124
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,720
considered. Do we need to limit the

1125
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:14,480
number of animals? I think Robert could

1126
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:15,440
probably give you some additional

1127
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,760
information on multiple municipalities

1128
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,160
that limit the number of animals. uh

1129
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,240
animal reasonability. Do you want to

1130
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,160
tackle that topic as far as he mentioned

1131
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,280
snakes and things like that? Um and then

1132
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,400
enforcement. Um I think we'll consider

1133
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,839
that down the road depending on what

1134
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:33,760
happens and we can always I can reach

1135
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,800
out to the sheriff about an

1136
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,319
intergovernmental agreement instead of a

1137
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:38,240
handshake deal. Uh but they've done a

1138
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,640
good job. Not knocking that whatsoever.

1139
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,800
Uh but number of [clears throat] animals

1140
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
and reasonability I think are topics.

1141
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,040
There's no reason for us to draft an

1142
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,599
ordinance if you don't want us to. But I

1143
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,119
can tell you there are citizens out

1144
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,200
there who would appreciate it.

1145
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,119
>> I know years ago and alderman prince

1146
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:59,040
will remember we tried to limit pitbulls

1147
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,720
after a pitbull attacked a male person.

1148
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:06,319
Uh boy there was just

1149
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:08,800
opposition public opposition to that and

1150
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,000
stuff. So I don't know if I'd want to

1151
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,480
get into the type of dogs but no

1152
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,240
>> you know definitely the number because

1153
00:43:14,240 --> 00:43:15,920
now our ordinance we could have a puppy

1154
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,359
mill right here in town and have

1155
00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:20,640
You could and I think Robert could

1156
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,240
probably share some information with you

1157
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,839
on uh we could also draft an ordinance

1158
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:27,520
that requires if you have over a certain

1159
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,280
number then you need a kennel license.

1160
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:29,920
>> Y yeah

1161
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:31,280
>> I don't know if you want to chat about

1162
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,359
that or the other municipalities.

1163
00:43:33,359 --> 00:43:35,680
>> Yeah. So so several other municipalities

1164
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,599
uh most recently one that that that I

1165
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:42,160
worked for um if once you got over three

1166
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,760
animals so at animal number four you had

1167
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,760
to get a kennel license. Now, that

1168
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,319
didn't apply to your dog having pups cuz

1169
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:52,240
you were given an exemption for the pups

1170
00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:55,520
for so long. So, um other than that

1171
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,640
exemption or babies, um you had to get a

1172
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,400
kennel license or get rid of that

1173
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,079
animal. Um so, that was done be a

1174
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:08,240
special use permit similar to the one

1175
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,480
that we had here tonight. So, uh, if you

1176
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:11,839
want to get a kennel license in a

1177
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:14,880
residential neighborhood, um, there was

1178
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:16,800
all kinds of rules and regulations that

1179
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,200
went behind that to things they had to

1180
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,200
meet for cleanliness and we did

1181
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,599
inspections and and all kinds of things.

1182
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,920
Uh, I did two of them while I worked for

1183
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,480
the city of Crystal City. Um, and both

1184
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,440
of those went went great. They did well.

1185
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,240
Uh, because not only a lot of reasons

1186
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:35,520
they had a lot of animals is because

1187
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,599
they were housing them for people when

1188
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:39,200
they went out of town.

1189
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,440
So they were dog sitting or or cat

1190
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,040
sitting or whatever animals. Some of

1191
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,560
them had snakes there too. So um that's

1192
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,000
how we became aware of some of those

1193
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,599
things and um you know the the neighbors

1194
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:54,400
had no issues with that. So uh that went

1195
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,920
well. Um but as far as the numbers I

1196
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,119
mean you can get there's some

1197
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:00,880
communities that say you know they put

1198
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,680
it just as a number total three. That's

1199
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,359
three in a combination. So you can have

1200
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:08,800
two cats and a dog. Uh some say, "Well,

1201
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,160
two cats equal one dog." So, you can go

1202
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:16,319
that route. Um it's just all about what we want to do, what the community

1203
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:17,359
wants to see.

1204
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:19,839
>> So, do we make any distinguish between

1205
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:22,400
inside house pets and outside dogs or

1206
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:23,119
nothing?

1207
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,920
>> Not nobody's really done that to to my

1208
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,000
knowledge. It's if if you've got uh a

1209
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,319
dog outside or a dog inside, that's two

1210
00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:36,800
dogs. So, it the number is combined. And

1211
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,400
I've not worked for any jurisdiction or

1212
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,800
the research I've done so far, none of

1213
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,760
them um specify any kind of breeds or

1214
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:46,960
anything like that. They don't touch

1215
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:47,760
that at all.

1216
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,520
>> So, how'd that number three seem to work

1217
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,040
out? Is that

1218
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,680
>> that worked out pretty well? Um there

1219
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,240
was uh right before I left, there was a

1220
00:45:56,240 --> 00:46:00,079
push to try and take it to five. Um, and

1221
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:02,160
that's when I kind of mentioned, uh, if

1222
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,920
we're going to do five, you know,

1223
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,440
everybody thought that was okay, that

1224
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,480
number would be okay. Um, again, there's

1225
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,079
other regulations that they would have

1226
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,280
to meet. If you went up to five animals,

1227
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:14,640
there's still things to protect

1228
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,880
everybody, like waste and things like

1229
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:18,720
that that have to be taken care of. So,

1230
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,839
if they violate that, then we'll have to

1231
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:24,000
deal with that from there. But if we did

1232
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,960
that five, I recommended we went to the

1233
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,240
combination deal where, you know, cat so

1234
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:33,280
many cats equal a dog, that type of

1235
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,119
thing. So that kind of controlled that a

1236
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,560
little bit. I know somebody in my ward

1237
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,160
has two cats, a dog, and a rabbit,

1238
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,599
you know, and they're all very well

1239
00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:46,640
taken care of, very well housed. You

1240
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,079
know, that would be hard to tell

1241
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:49,359
somebody to get rid of.

1242
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:51,200
>> Well, so here's the other part of that.

1243
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,440
So when you change these regulations,

1244
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,760
that's why it's the tags are important

1245
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,359
and registering the animals are

1246
00:46:57,359 --> 00:46:59,839
important because that lets the city

1247
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:03,200
know what you have. So any of the

1248
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,359
ordinances we change related to the

1249
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:09,280
number, I would make a suggestion that

1250
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,040
people that have the animals come and

1251
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,040
register their animals and then we, you

1252
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,200
know, we can't if somebody has five dogs

1253
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,880
and we only or five dogs and we only

1254
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,200
allow three animals, like you said, it's

1255
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,480
they're their family. It's going to be

1256
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,000
hard to get rid of two. So um you know,

1257
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,800
we'll just have to decide at that point

1258
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,520
what what we want to do there. But most

1259
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,440
of them if you reg if you had your

1260
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,520
animal registered and you had five

1261
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,839
animals registered right now those five

1262
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:41,680
animals stay but once that animal is no

1263
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,119
longer with us then you're you reduce

1264
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,280
down every time you don't get to replace

1265
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,119
that one with another number.

1266
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,040
>> We have any idea how many animals are

1267
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,400
registered now in the city?

1268
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,828
>> I don't have a current count. Pam,

1269
00:47:54,828 --> 00:47:55,760
[clears throat] would you happen to have

1270
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,280
any idea?

1271
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,319
>> Not off the top of my head.

1272
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:00,079
>> Okay. It's on one page. Yeah, I'll tell

1273
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:00,400
you that.

1274
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:01,200
>> It's not many,

1275
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:01,599
>> right?

1276
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:02,880
>> I'm sure it's not many.

1277
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,200
>> Right.

1278
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:04,653
>> Well, in that scenario that

1279
00:48:04,653 --> 00:48:05,920
[clears throat] he's talking about, if

1280
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,599
you got a kennel license,

1281
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:09,119
>> you could have the additional animal.

1282
00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:09,599
>> Correct.

1283
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:11,680
>> Yep. Now, with the kennel license, are

1284
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,480
you would you require an actual kennel

1285
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:15,920
to hold these or could they be running

1286
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,280
in your house or would you have to have

1287
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:17,920
a kennel?

1288
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,520
>> Um, so there we we'd have a required

1289
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,160
space requirement for them. So, you

1290
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,240
know, a lot of that's based on so if

1291
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,680
we're talking dogs, that's based on

1292
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,359
weight. Um, so the larger dogs take up

1293
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:34,480
more space. So, um, and there's

1294
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,400
statistics out there that cover all

1295
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,119
that. Um, but yeah, there's going to be

1296
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:40,720
a certain space requirement. Do they

1297
00:48:40,720 --> 00:48:43,839
have to be housed in a kennel? No. Um,

1298
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:46,319
the one I was talking about earlier, uh,

1299
00:48:46,319 --> 00:48:49,200
Crystal City there. Um, essentially it

1300
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,960
was a a guy and his son and they had a

1301
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,319
six-bedroom house and they operated that

1302
00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:58,400
thing out of a six-bedroom house and

1303
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,680
literally going in their place was

1304
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:03,119
spotless. But you wouldn't even know

1305
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:04,640
there was animals really living in there

1306
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,359
except I could see them. So, uh, it's

1307
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:09,599
all about how you take care of it. But

1308
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,000
we would inspect that and also inspect

1309
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,240
that every year. That would be my

1310
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,520
recommendation. uh and wouldn't charge

1311
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,880
them necessarily anything to do that

1312
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,200
inspection. It's a quick inspection. Uh

1313
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:22,720
they get their kennel license to begin

1314
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,640
with and then they're just re-uped every

1315
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,640
year. And as long as they're not doing a

1316
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,720
business, if it's just they're having a

1317
00:49:28,720 --> 00:49:30,400
kennel because they want to have more

1318
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,760
than the number of animals, then it's

1319
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,599
just them having a kennel and it's their

1320
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:36,880
own animals. If they're doing it for

1321
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:37,920
business, then we're going to have a

1322
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,760
business license that they have to get

1323
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,359
as well. You know that one I was telling

1324
00:49:43,359 --> 00:49:44,960
you about, you know, the two cats, the

1325
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,480
dog and the rabbit. I don't want to pick

1326
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,400
on those people. I want to pick on the

1327
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,800
guy that's got 19 dogs out of his house.

1328
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,760
So,

1329
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,559
>> I you know, uh

1330
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:58,880
>> I I wouldn't throw numbers out just to say that's what we need to set. It's

1331
00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:59,200
that's

1332
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,040
>> No, but I mean that type of person

1333
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,119
taking care of their animals very well.

1334
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:03,760
Yep.

1335
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,400
>> Uh, personally, I'm not interested in

1336
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,000
going after that guy, but the guy with

1337
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,559
the 19 dogs, I I you know, we got to

1338
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,640
have a clear distinction here between

1339
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,680
somebody abusing and somebody taking

1340
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,440
care of. And I know that's hard to do,

1341
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,400
but I I I don't see this going over very

1342
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,359
well if we go after somebody with those

1343
00:50:23,359 --> 00:50:25,119
type of animals and taking care of them

1344
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,000
and shots and, you know, uh, I'm not

1345
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,380
sure if that was me. I don't have them

1346
00:50:31,380 --> 00:50:32,880
[clears throat] all registered. I mean I

1347
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,280
you were Yeah, that whole kennel thing

1348
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,200
to do for something like that is a I I

1349
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,640
don't know that's going to be hard to

1350
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:44,800
enforce and impossible to maintain and

1351
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:45,920
watch. But

1352
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,839
>> I I don't want city to get into the

1353
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,440
subjectivity of whether an animal is

1354
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:51,760
being cared for well or not. I think if

1355
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,280
we want to do this, it needs to be a

1356
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,920
number. um you know if that number's 3,

1357
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,680
five or 10 um and we can draft an

1358
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,079
ordinance and bring it to you or um we

1359
00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:04,880
can form a committee um if we need to,

1360
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,200
but it it can't be where we're going in

1361
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,599
and determining we kind of do that with

1362
00:51:09,599 --> 00:51:12,400
animal abuse already, but that's in

1363
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:16,240
really stark cases. Okay. So, in years

1364
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,359
past when we uh came up with something

1365
00:51:19,359 --> 00:51:22,720
for anything, uh we basically said,

1366
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,319
"Well, let's take a look at what our

1367
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:26,720
surrounding communities have." And

1368
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,680
that's presented to us with a mockup of

1369
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,000
what we would like to see here based off

1370
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,720
those. Uh, I mean, [snorts] personally

1371
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:36,960
to sit here and talk about all these

1372
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,960
scenarios of what could happen or this

1373
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,839
person's got this and this and

1374
00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:44,960
I mean we're kind of just twiddling our

1375
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,640
thumbs right now. What I'd like to see

1376
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,000
is is what others around us have and

1377
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,880
then what you propose for us to have, we

1378
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,760
can look at it and then we can tweak and

1379
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,640
tweak that draft from there. Um, I mean,

1380
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,455
I'm all [cough] going forward

1381
00:52:00,455 --> 00:52:02,000
[clears throat] with it. But I want to

1382
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,400
see, you know, what others are doing and

1383
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,559
then if we don't like certain things

1384
00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:08,640
that some of them are doing, we can

1385
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,359
tweak ours to do that. But, um, let's

1386
00:52:11,359 --> 00:52:13,680
take a look at what everybody around us

1387
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,599
is doing and then we can come up with

1388
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:19,200
our own to really fine-tune comb it once

1389
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,800
it's presented. [clears throat] So,

1390
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,480
>> yep. If if we're talking about, you

1391
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,280
know, let's five sounds reasonable to

1392
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,119
me. If you if you just picked the number

1393
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:31,040
to start with, five sounds reasonable.

1394
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,800
Are you going to grandfather in those

1395
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,826
person that has six then person 19?

1396
00:52:35,826 --> 00:52:36,720
[clears throat]

1397
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:39,359
Well, that's when if so somebody comes

1398
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:42,960
in and registers 19, I want to that's

1399
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,720
where I would be looking at the

1400
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:47,359
conditions that they're in

1401
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:49,280
because it's going to have to be there's

1402
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,880
already in our current ordinance

1403
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,920
regulations to protect uh for for that.

1404
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,520
Yeah, there's regulations in there to

1405
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,406
protect for that situation.

1406
00:52:59,406 --> 00:53:00,319
[clears throat]

1407
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,880
Not necessarily from the number, but if

1408
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,480
you have, let's say, 10 dogs or 19 dogs

1409
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:08,720
in in a house that's, you know, and

1410
00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:10,960
their feces are all over the house and

1411
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,000
everything like that, we have

1412
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,640
regulations to protect that.

1413
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,559
>> Would you also take into consideration

1414
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:17,920
if it was already deemed the one

1415
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,549
dangerous dog in that 19 dog household?

1416
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:24,000
» How that dog was

1417
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,400
>> Yeah.

1418
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,920
>> determined to be dangerous. I mean,

1419
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:27,680
there's there's a finding

1420
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,000
>> of a vicious animal. Well, you have to

1421
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,640
have a finding. So, that depending on

1422
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,280
and I'm sorry, I didn't study your

1423
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:36,880
thought I was going to skip out of work

1424
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,000
session tonight. [laughter]

1425
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,400
Um, but generally, you have a procedure

1426
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,559
where the board of alderman uh will vote

1427
00:53:42,559 --> 00:53:44,960
and determine that uh an animal is a

1428
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,000
vicious animal and and then require

1429
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:50,400
conditions uh which usually is to cage

1430
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,559
them. you have insurance

1431
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,400
>> uh to have that animal specifically

1432
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,680
insured against dog bites and other uh

1433
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,680
restrictions on whenever they're being

1434
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,920
transported in the residence or in in

1435
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,599
town or secured uh in in some manner or

1436
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:08,160
another it can be quite expensive. But

1437
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,839
if you have a literally have a vicious

1438
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:12,640
dog that has injured um especially if

1439
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,480
it's injured humans and not not to

1440
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,760
denigrate you it's also important if

1441
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,160
they you know dogs are attacking other

1442
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,760
dogs you neighbor dogs and killing them

1443
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,760
or hurting them. Uh but there's a

1444
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,359
process but you have to go through that

1445
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:27,680
process and then you can then you can

1446
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,040
have um a determination and you can have

1447
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,119
a determination not that you necessarily

1448
00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:35,280
want to but yet you can have a

1449
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,200
determination that the dog be put down.

1450
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,559
you know, if it's truly a vicious

1451
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:42,800
animal, you there has to be there is a

1452
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,880
legal system and a legal mechanism to

1453
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,920
address those extreme situations. And specifically by state statute, if

1454
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,040
there is a bite of a human, the state

1455
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,800
statute requires a 10-day quarantine

1456
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,440
period. You know, that that the local

1457
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,319
law enforcement is required to do that.

1458
00:55:00,319 --> 00:55:02,880
Um, I know a lot of cities don't like to

1459
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,440
do that or maybe some, especially small

1460
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,040
ones, don't have the facilities to do

1461
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:09,680
it. That's a requirement. Um, whether

1462
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,920
you have an ordinance on it or not. I'm hearing about the 19 dogs for the

1463
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,079
first time tonight. I can't imagine

1464
00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:20,240
there's not a nuisance issue with with the property that has 19 animals,

1465
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,000
19 dogs in it, but I don't have any

1466
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,240
personal knowledge of it. But I would

1467
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,520
think that there's some other ordinances

1468
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:28,559
that maybe can use some enforcement

1469
00:55:28,559 --> 00:55:31,680
uh on that on that particular property.

1470
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,599
But I would be reluctant to um enforce a

1471
00:55:35,599 --> 00:55:38,160
restriction on animals that are already

1472
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:40,319
owned and present on the premises,

1473
00:55:40,319 --> 00:55:41,359
especially if you're going to go to

1474
00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,839
five. Now, you know, some cities will

1475
00:55:43,839 --> 00:55:47,440
have total of five as defined animals.

1476
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,559
So, you have, you know, maybe you

1477
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,559
include rabbits, maybe you don't. Uh,

1478
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:52,319
but it's always going to be dogs and

1479
00:55:52,319 --> 00:55:54,559
cats at least defined. And a lot of

1480
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,680
times you'll see no more than three dogs

1481
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,520
and no more than five total, you know,

1482
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,440
so you could have five cats. You have

1483
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,599
one dog and four cats. You have, you

1484
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:05,200
know, so that that's pretty common to

1485
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,079
say those kind of limitations. But, uh,

1486
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:09,119
so I think that's what the

1487
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:11,520
administration is looking for is okay,

1488
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,200
number one, do you want to have a

1489
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,040
restriction on it? Number two, do you

1490
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,599
have an idea? It sounds like you kind of

1491
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,680
want us to come back with something that

1492
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,000
is okay. This is what maybe Perryville

1493
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,520
or maybe some of the Jefferson County

1494
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,680
cities have or or maybe Farmington or

1495
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,720
something. Um and then and then you can

1496
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:30,400
kind of pick and choose, but it's it's

1497
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,480
always going to be the numbers and then

1498
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,520
the kennel issue. Um I don't know if

1499
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,440
I've seen those as special use permits.

1500
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:38,559
I've I've seen those is if you're going

1501
00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:39,520
to have a kennel, you're going to have

1502
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,280
to commercial, you know, so it's like a

1503
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,000
prohibition uh in residential areas

1504
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,240
because, you know, if you have 10 dogs,

1505
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,480
um that's that that can be very

1506
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,160
burdensome on your residential

1507
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,440
neighbors. But um that that could be a

1508
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,920
way to to address it as well. But if

1509
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,240
you're overlaying that's a zoning issue,

1510
00:56:58,240 --> 00:56:59,920
so special use purpose. So then you have

1511
00:56:59,920 --> 00:57:01,440
to publish notice to the public and all

1512
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,640
that before you

1513
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,799
>> you adopt any sort of uh zoning use

1514
00:57:06,799 --> 00:57:08,400
regulations.

1515
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,839
Um the the other health and welfare uh

1516
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:13,760
ordinances

1517
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,359
um you can adopt and apply to all of

1518
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:21,440
them. the number of animals is kind of

1519
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,839
between those two. And but I would I

1520
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:24,799
would say you you might [clears throat]

1521
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:27,599
run into some problems trying to say

1522
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:29,839
people who already have six dogs and you

1523
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:32,240
say, "Okay, you only have five." Uh

1524
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:33,359
you're going to run into problems

1525
00:57:33,359 --> 00:57:35,359
enforcing that, but whether whether you

1526
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,680
can push the issue or not, I don't know

1527
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:40,559
off the off the cuff tonight. uh if you

1528
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:42,400
could really force that issue I think

1529
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,280
you possibly could itself and welfare

1530
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,359
police power rather than flooding and

1531
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:49,440
zoning but I don't know if that answers

1532
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,680
the the first question or the first

1533
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,839
thing that came up but but the vicious

1534
00:57:53,839 --> 00:57:56,160
animal thing there has to be a either a

1535
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:58,000
judicial determination in court or a

1536
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,359
determination by the board of older

1537
00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:01,119
persons and that would have to be

1538
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:03,119
brought uh before you in a hearing and

1539
00:58:03,119 --> 00:58:05,920
it would be contested hearing where the

1540
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:07,920
animal owner would have a right to be

1541
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,240
heard and to present evidence the dog

1542
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,079
isn't vicious.

1543
00:58:12,079 --> 00:58:14,720
That's a due process hearing.

1544
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,000
>> And we've we've done those before in

1545
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:16,640
other cities.

1546
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,079
>> And we have those ordinances. We have

1547
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:19,520
potentially dangerous and then

1548
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,200
dangerous. And we have some listed on

1549
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:22,960
potentially dangerous right now. But the

1550
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:25,119
dangerous would come to you all.

1551
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:27,520
>> And I've been through unfortunately

1552
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,960
those same hearings three times. And

1553
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,920
unfortunately, uh, one dog just

1554
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:35,359
absolutely decided he's just going to

1555
00:58:35,359 --> 00:58:38,319
bite everybody every chance he gets. So,

1556
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:40,319
um, yeah, the unfortunate thing of

1557
00:58:40,319 --> 00:58:42,240
putting that animal down, which is not a

1558
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,200
fun thing. Um, but to tell you how

1559
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,839
people care about their animals, um,

1560
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:50,079
they end up spending about $25,000 to

1561
00:58:50,079 --> 00:58:53,670
keep both those dogs.

1562
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:55,839
So, it sounds like bring back to you

1563
00:58:55,839 --> 00:58:59,839
some samples or examples of um uh nearby

1564
00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:02,720
cities, their limitations, and then

1565
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:06,319
draft an ordinance um to kind of bring

1566
00:59:06,319 --> 00:59:09,280
it back to a work session. If we can get

1567
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,200
your okay, then we'll go through the PNZ

1568
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:12,960
process.

1569
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,960
>> So, Robert, in your past and stuff, it

1570
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,720
sounds like most of the violations have

1571
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,480
been dogs.

1572
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:18,880
>> Uh

1573
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:20,319
>> most of most of the time.

1574
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:22,400
>> Most of the time. So distinguishing

1575
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:25,440
between dogs and other animals, you

1576
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,599
know, to make it so many dogs and then

1577
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:30,400
>> Yeah.

1578
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,720
>> cuz where does it stop? Cats, rabbits,

1579
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,000
frogs, fish.

1580
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000
>> Well, yeah. And that and that's the

1581
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,240
thing. Um, again, that's why it's

1582
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,400
important to to designate it. So, if

1583
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,720
it's not on the list, then it's not a

1584
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,960
control. you know, if you if if snakes

1585
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,119
aren't on the list, then we're not

1586
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:50,079
looking for snakes unless it violates

1587
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:53,200
some other part of the welfare side of

1588
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:54,640
things, we're not going to limit the

1589
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:55,599
number

1590
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:58,160
>> snakes violate. Usually in a hoarding

1591
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,760
situation, you're having cats rather

1592
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,920
than dogs, right? Yes. But sometimes you

1593
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,680
do have dogs. But but they're there. I

1594
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:06,960
would advise you to have at least some

1595
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,040
sort of limit on cats even if it's a

1596
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,599
higher limit because you could easily

1597
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,160
have a house has 30 cats in it easy.

1598
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,000
>> In in my neighborhood, if you want more

1599
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,000
than five cats, just leave food out. You

1600
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:20,400
have 20 on Yeah.

1601
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,799
>> I have two that are that are licensed

1602
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:24,079
and whatever, you know, shots and

1603
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:26,079
everything else. But anytime I leave the

1604
01:00:26,079 --> 01:00:27,359
bowls out, there'll be more than that

1605
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:27,920
there.

1606
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:29,440
>> Yeah. That's that's a whole another

1607
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,920
situation of of things to talk about

1608
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:32,960
with that

1609
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,240
>> Boston. He's there every night.

1610
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,720
>> There you go. He's not yours. We won't

1611
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:38,720
regulate him.

1612
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:40,640
>> Had that downtown by the forest for

1613
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:41,359
years.

1614
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:43,280
>> Everybody good with that plan of action.

1615
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,119
We'll uh we'll get a sample ordinance

1616
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:47,920
drafted and we'll bring that back and we

1617
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,079
can uh fine-tune it at that point.

1618
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:50,400
>> Thank you.

1619
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,680
>> Get it ready to go.

1620
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:53,119
>> Excellent. Thank you guys.

1621
01:00:53,119 --> 01:00:55,040
>> Thank you, Robert, for the help. Um,

1622
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,839
Robert, um, the very first, uh, the

1623
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,280
agreement with the county, I mean, is

1624
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,680
there something that we need to like So,

1625
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,119
like the administrator said there, I

1626
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,040
think it's something that that we visit

1627
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,119
with the the county with the sheriff and

1628
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:09,280
talk to him about what their plan is and

1629
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,440
what action they're going to take and

1630
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,520
uh, see if we can't, like I said, do an

1631
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:15,359
intergovernmental agreement or figure

1632
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:17,599
out what what their plan is and then go

1633
01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,319
from there.

1634
01:01:20,319 --> 01:01:22,640
>> Yeah, we should probably indify the

1635
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:23,839
county. I mean, if they're doing the

1636
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:25,359
services for free, we they probably

1637
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:28,240
should should have some protection. Um,

1638
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,000
if we're bringing animals there, you

1639
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,680
know, so there's there there's some

1640
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,242
benefit in for the county to have that

1641
01:01:34,242 --> 01:01:35,760
[clears throat] in writing as well.

1642
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:36,240
>> County.

1643
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,079
>> Yeah.

1644
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,240
>> Wonderful. Okay. Thank you all for that

1645
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,960
discussion. Um, we'll move along to our

1646
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:47,200
second topic. Um, this is, uh, we do

1647
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:48,880
have an option to go into close session

1648
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,119
for this. It's regarding um, city

1649
01:01:51,119 --> 01:01:55,430
administrators review.

1650
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:56,960
motion to close session.

1651
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,119
>> Is there going to be a second real

1652
01:01:59,119 --> 01:02:01,200
estate question as well?

1653
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,440
>> There will uh in agenda item three. So

1654
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,440
we do both. We can close for both.

1655
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,480
>> Yes. Close for item two and three.

1656
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,160
>> Okay. So we're going to close for

1657
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,839
personnel and real estate.

1658
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:18,400
>> And by made the motion Amy seconded.

1659
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,960
>> Okay. And Pam, could you do a roll call,

1660
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:22,480
please? Alderman Stiger. Yes.

1661
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:23,680
>> Alderman Prince. Yes.

1662
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,839
>> Alderman. Alderman Haley.

1663
01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:26,160
>> Yes.

1664
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,359
>> Alderman Donovan. Yes.

1665
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:28,319
>> Alderwoman Dos.

1666
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:28,720
>> Yes.

1667
01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:38,950
>> Motion carries. 706.

1668
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:43,119
» Anything else to discuss at this time?

1669
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,839
>> Okay. If not, then we will adjourn.

1670
01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:49,319
Thank you very much.