[0:00] tonight's meeting to order. If you would
[0:02] please stand and join me in the pledge.
[0:06] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[0:08] United States of America and to the
[0:11] republic for which it stands, one nation
[0:14] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[0:16] justice for all.
[0:22] » Uh [clears throat] Pam, would you do a
[0:23] roll call, please?
[0:25] >> Mayor time
[0:25] >> here.
[0:26] >> Alderwoman D. Alderman Fehey, Alderman
[0:30] Donovan
[0:31] >> here,
[0:31] >> Alderman Huey
[0:32] >> here.
[0:33] >> Alderman Idman
[0:34] >> here.
[0:35] >> Alderman Ross. Alderman Prince
[0:37] >> here.
[0:38] >> Alderman Stiger
[0:39] >> here.
[0:39] >> Mayor, we have a quorum.
[0:41] >> Thank you very much. At this time, we
[0:43] will look for approval of tonight's
[0:44] agenda.
[0:45] >> Motion to approve.
[0:46] >> Second.
[0:47] >> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in
[0:50] favor?
[0:51] >> Any opposed?
[0:53] Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, no
[0:55] presentations or awards tonight. Um,
[0:59] don't see Jamie Inman from Jer Fett, so
[1:03] we may just bring her back at a later
[1:05] date.
[1:08] So, we will move along tonight to our
[1:10] city administrator's report. Thank you,
[1:12] mayor.
[1:14] Good evening, everyone. Uh, you do have
[1:16] an updated report as you're seeing quite
[1:18] a bit. I apologize, but uh I prepped
[1:20] this report last Tuesday and then uh had
[1:23] to make some uh amendments. Uh on number
[1:26] one there, you'll see I had put the
[1:28] replacement of the concrete street would
[1:29] begin this week. That's actually next
[1:31] week. They're finishing up a couple of
[1:33] service lines. I was out there today. Uh
[1:35] they'll start tearing out concrete and
[1:37] putting in the new street next week.
[1:40] Um number two, I wanted if you haven't
[1:44] driven by, there's obviously a lot of
[1:46] dirt work and grading going on at the
[1:47] new subdivision site. Uh but I wanted to
[1:50] clarify something cuz we've been talking
[1:51] about groundbreaking and grand opening.
[1:54] So, I got a clarification from McBride.
[1:56] The groundbreaking will be Wednesday,
[1:58] October 14th at 10:00 a.m.
[2:02] The grand opening for sales, even though
[2:04] sales will actually be open October 2nd,
[2:07] uh the grand opening for the sales team
[2:09] will be Saturday, October 24th. So, two
[2:12] different events, certainly not required
[2:14] or needed or to be at the grand opening,
[2:18] but the groundbreaking um I know they'll
[2:20] be sending out invites. I'm sure you'll
[2:22] all receive one.
[2:25] Uh down to number four. I did want to
[2:27] tell you that the we posted a new survey
[2:29] on the website to get some feedback on
[2:31] the proposed splash pad uh to go in
[2:34] Parquette Park. I posted that last
[2:37] Tuesday. I have nearly 800 responses
[2:40] already. So, I'll get those numbers to
[2:43] you. It's
[2:43] >> dang
[2:44] >> through October 14th, but uh a lot of
[2:46] people responding to that survey.
[2:48] >> You said 800. nearly 800. Yeah.
[2:53] Uh I'm going to draw your attention down
[2:55] to number 10. Uh related to number four,
[2:59] I have a received a letter of intent
[3:02] from a third organization, the Spring
[3:04] for Down Syndrome and Challenger Sports
[3:06] Group. So that's Chip Marzuko's
[3:08] committee. They have committed to
[3:10] donating another 25,000 to the Splash
[3:12] Pads. So the donations are now up to
[3:14] 75,000.
[3:15] >> Excellent.
[3:16] >> That's great.
[3:16] Um, I'm working with the
[3:19] RPC and Nick and Mary Dunzy to prepare
[3:22] that land and water conservation fund
[3:25] grant. So, right now we're at, you know,
[3:27] with the city's commitment and the
[3:29] organizations at 175,000. I'm looking
[3:32] for another 25,000. That'll be 200.
[3:35] We'll apply for 200. Uh, and that will
[3:37] be 400,000.
[3:39] So,
[3:41] um, down to number five. I want to let
[3:45] you know, if you remember, we moved our
[3:46] meetings. I'll be out at the Missouri
[3:48] Public Utilities Alliance Conference in
[3:51] Branson, October 7th through the 9th.
[3:52] Cory will also be attending with me.
[3:56] And then I'm going to go through the
[3:57] updates down there. Bowman's will be
[4:00] starting the milling and paving work
[4:01] next week on Lehei, North 6, North
[4:03] Thirdr, Ziegler, and Division. Um so
[4:06] that work, they'll actually probably be
[4:07] there tomorrow cleaning the streets. Uh
[4:10] maybe doing some saw cutting and
[4:11] prepping for the work next week.
[4:15] um each of our October work sessions.
[4:17] So, if you remember part of the budget
[4:18] process, we talked about economic
[4:20] development dollars um and the
[4:22] organizations that we were budgeting
[4:23] money for. So, those organizations were
[4:26] invited back. Uh we'll have Prosperity
[4:28] St. Jen here on the 15th work session
[4:31] and the Chamber of Commerce on the 29th
[4:33] work session to go through kind of our
[4:35] expectations for that money that's in
[4:37] the budget for them.
[4:40] Um, and then last but not least down at
[4:42] the bottom, I don't usually do this and
[4:43] I hope I I don't miss anything, but I
[4:45] wanted to point out there are a ton of
[4:47] items going on in town this weekend. So,
[4:49] if you have the ability to go downtown
[4:51] and visit, uh, please do so. Friday is
[4:54] the uh, St. Jen homecoming parade. Also,
[4:56] the fourth Friday art walk. Saturday is
[4:59] October Fest. Uh, that's on Merchant
[5:01] Street. The rally car show that's down
[5:04] at the Moses Austin property. and the
[5:06] trail and trous national public lands
[5:08] day that's out at the levy. Not to
[5:10] mention there are also multiple events
[5:12] going on in the county this weekend. So,
[5:14] lots going on this weekend.
[5:18] That's all I have.
[5:20] Dave, on uh number three on Crestland
[5:23] Cemetery expansion,
[5:25] um looks like there's still more dirt to
[5:28] be moved, I guess.
[5:30] >> I don't think so. I think all the dirt
[5:32] that's going there is there.
[5:34] [clears throat]
[5:36] So, what's the work? It's got to be all
[5:38] the way to the end of October, November.
[5:40] >> Well, they still have to pave the road,
[5:42] plant trees, seeds, straw. Yeah.
[5:45] [clears throat]
[5:49] » It It could take 2 weeks, but
[5:53] >> Is that covert pipe still exposed out
[5:55] there?
[5:56] >> The culvert pipe that was exposed
[5:58] underneath our existing road between our
[6:00] cemetery and the Catholic cemetery is
[6:03] extended. So, it's now exposed much
[6:05] further down though.
[6:12] » Oh, just wanted to thank you for the
[6:15] project on Chadwell Lane. The concrete
[6:17] spillway through there will uh uh keep a
[6:20] lot of tires from getting, you know,
[6:23] busted and stuff and all the rock and
[6:25] stuff, but it's looks nice. That was a
[6:28] combination of Corey and I putting our
[6:30] heads together and trying to uh come up
[6:33] with a plan to, if you haven't been by
[6:34] Chadwell, divert water from crossing the
[6:38] street in a couple spots, which gets
[6:39] very icy sometimes, [clears throat]
[6:41] uh down to the culvert uh that runs
[6:44] under uh Jack Donsy's driveway and then
[6:47] into the creek instead of crossing the
[6:49] street.
[6:49] >> Yeah. Nice.
[6:52] Any
[6:55] other questions for Dave regarding his
[6:57] report?
[6:59] Okay, thank you very much.
[7:02] Hey Jamie, uh we'll backtrack a little
[7:04] bit and bring you up and have you talk
[7:06] about your effect. No, you're great.
[7:08] >> Baking meatloaf as we speak. [laughter]
[7:11] Well, um, so basically the only thing
[7:14] that I really have to report is we had
[7:16] 175 crafters, about 230 booths, and then
[7:19] about 19 to 21 food vendors and alcohol
[7:22] vendors. Um, I mean, it went well. I
[7:26] know everybody or not everybody, but a
[7:28] lot of people want to know why it can't
[7:29] be moved. It just can't. It's 58 years.
[7:32] It's in August. All the crafters have a
[7:34] schedule to go through. All the food
[7:36] vendors know. I mean, I don't know. have
[7:39] a jeret in September and start a
[7:41] different one in a sep or in October and
[7:43] September. You're going to have weather
[7:45] in October. It could be cold. It could
[7:47] be rainy. It could be anything.
[7:48] Everybody knows it's going to be hot in
[7:50] August. It's been going on 58 years. I
[7:53] have committed to the 60th anniversary,
[7:55] which is 2 years from now. I am on my
[7:57] 16th year of Jeret. Um, it's always been
[8:01] fun and it's always been nice to do. The
[8:05] last few years have not been. [laughter]
[8:07] So, I am committed to the 60th
[8:09] anniversary because I promised people
[8:12] that are on the board, but anybody that
[8:13] wants to get involved needs to get
[8:15] involved. I know it sounds like 2 years,
[8:17] but Zer Fett will be here and then the
[8:19] next one is the 60th. So, unless
[8:22] something changes
[8:24] in the community between now and then, I
[8:26] am
[8:28] probably done. Yeah. So, it is what it
[8:32] is. Yeah. And I think people need to
[8:34] remember that we're a nonprofit
[8:36] organization, too. not just everybody
[8:38] else. And first and foremost, when I
[8:40] started to be the president 16 years
[8:42] ago, that was our top priority. The St.
[8:45] Genevieve community, the downtown
[8:47] businesses, and there's a lot of other
[8:50] craft shows that happen in other towns,
[8:52] and they make the businesses pay for a
[8:54] spot to bring their stuff out. We have
[8:55] never We want it to be about St. Genevie
[8:59] first and foremost. Then it is about the
[9:01] crafters because it is a craft show. And
[9:04] then after that, then it's everything
[9:06] else. But we have always done that. And
[9:09] I feel that something has switched in
[9:12] the community. And I think people have
[9:14] forgot that we're a nonprofit. We take
[9:16] care of that property down there. We
[9:18] have to get it mowed. That costs us
[9:20] money. We have a very thin budget. If
[9:22] something would happen, Jere would cease
[9:25] to exist. It costs us about $25 to
[9:27] $30,000 to put on jerif. We pay for our
[9:31] insurance. We pay for all of our
[9:33] advertising. We do get help from the
[9:35] city workers. Always do our trash cans,
[9:37] put them out. We make multiple donations
[9:40] to different organizations, both Boy
[9:42] Scouts, um, St. Agnes School, they have
[9:45] taken over our trash. Before that, it
[9:47] was Kinsey Fire Department since, I
[9:49] don't know, probably the 70s. They've
[9:51] been taking care of trash. And since
[9:52] things happened with taxes, I don't know
[9:54] anything about that or whatever, they
[9:56] could not take donations. So, um, St.
[9:58] Agnes has stepped up. uh Bloomsdale PTO
[10:01] has stepped up and we give everybody a
[10:04] donation that helps us and we maintain
[10:07] all those electric poles that are in St.
[10:09] Genevie and we let everybody use them
[10:11] for free. We let everybody use our
[10:13] property for free and there are lots of
[10:16] people that go down there and take
[10:16] pictures on the bridge and in 16 years
[10:19] that bridge has been taken out three
[10:21] times [laughter] and I have had to do
[10:23] the paperwork. I don't know when that
[10:24] started. people stop taking care of
[10:26] their insurance when they destroy other
[10:28] people's property. But whatever. Um
[10:30] we're still waiting for this third and
[10:31] final destruction of the bridge to get
[10:34] paid by the person who did that and
[10:36] their insurance company. And um we put
[10:39] $10,000 into that bridge last year of
[10:41] our own fet money and then it got burned
[10:44] and now we're waiting to get to that
[10:46] taken care of. We did pay that out of
[10:48] our pocket too this year waiting to get
[10:50] reimbursed for that and whether or not
[10:52] that happens I do not know yet.
[10:54] But we do do a lot of work and there are
[10:58] only a handful of us that do it and put
[11:00] on Jeret and I'm always proud that we
[11:02] can do that. But the proud of some of
[11:07] the organizations and some of the
[11:09] nonprofits and the things that have
[11:10] happened in the last couple years. It's
[11:12] just doesn't feel like it's that much
[11:14] community anymore. I think some people
[11:16] are taking it on. I and I understand
[11:19] everybody's struggling. Everybody needs
[11:21] help. Everybody is struggling. But I
[11:23] think they have to remember that we are
[11:25] nonprofit, too, and that we do a lot to
[11:28] make sure that this thing goes off
[11:30] without anybody really having to worry
[11:33] about it. I mean, I don't think the
[11:35] city's ever really had to, you know what
[11:36] I mean, ever really had to worry that
[11:38] something was going to happen. We have
[11:39] our own insurance, you know, and we do
[11:41] all of that stuff, but we always get
[11:43] help from the city workers and they're
[11:44] always fabulous. And if I call whoever
[11:46] is the city administrator, they've
[11:48] always just been very good to us. So,
[11:51] it's not really, you know, about that.
[11:52] Everybody has always helped and we're
[11:54] always very thankful for that. So,
[11:57] >> yeah. Does anybody have any questions?
[12:00] >> You're all volunteers. You don't have
[12:01] any paid staff.
[12:03] >> No, we do not have any paid staff. No.
[12:05] it's all volunteer. Yep. Yep. And
[12:09] all of us that volunteer all have
[12:10] full-time and then some jobs and
[12:13] full-time and then some lives that go
[12:15] along with that. And for the most part,
[12:17] like I said, it's always been very good.
[12:20] I just um it's just, you know, in the
[12:23] last couple years, it's just gotten
[12:24] hard. So, you know, it is what it is.
[12:28] >> Well, we thank you and your committee
[12:29] for another wonderful
[12:30] >> Does anybody want to have any questions
[12:32] or want to know anything about Zer Fett?
[12:35] And we are having our first meeting back
[12:37] after Jera Fett. We kind of take
[12:39] September off to
[12:41] >> breathe. So, our first meeting is the
[12:43] first Monday in October. I think it's
[12:45] the fifth or the 3rd or somebody help
[12:47] me.
[12:48] >> Fifth.
[12:49] >> Somebody do the math. The fifth. Okay.
[12:50] And it will be at the Cafe Genevieve and
[12:53] they usually start at 5:30. If we're
[12:55] going to do a different time, one of the
[12:56] girls will post it on our Facebook, but
[12:58] it's usually by 5:30. And anybody can
[13:00] come. If you have any questions or you
[13:02] just want to, you know, see what's going
[13:04] on or if you're interested in hopping in
[13:07] and helping, you can do that, too.
[13:10] So, anybody else?
[13:13] >> [clears throat]
[13:13] >> Thank you so much. All right.
[13:14] >> Appreciate it. Thanks. See you
[13:20] running.
[13:21] >> Right back to the kitchen. There she
[13:23] goes.
[13:25] All righty. Glad Jamie could make it.
[13:27] Appreciate all of her uh her work and
[13:29] her committee's work on another great
[13:31] event. I look forward to next year. Uh
[13:34] move along to staff reports tonight.
[13:36] First up, we've got Erica. You standing
[13:38] in?
[13:39] >> Yes, sir.
[13:40] >> All right.
[13:42] Good evening everyone. I will try my
[13:45] best to answer any questions about
[13:47] Corey's report, but he did have a couple
[13:50] items he specifically wanted to to pass
[13:52] along, which he already touched on the
[13:54] Chadwell
[13:56] um gutter. He indicated that he's going
[13:58] to finish up the work on that ditch in
[14:01] the next week or two. So, more to come
[14:03] on that and get that totally buttoned
[14:04] up. Uh he said that the Valley Springs
[14:06] concrete is complete. And then also um
[14:09] the big one was the the tie-in at 8th
[14:12] and Ridgeway is complete. So that
[14:14] transite line is abandoned out of
[14:17] service [snorts]
[14:21] [clears throat]
[14:29] questions.
[14:31] [clears throat] All right.
[14:32] >> Thank you.
[14:33] >> Got off easy tonight.
[14:36] Thank you, Erica.
[14:38] And then next up tonight we have
[14:39] Lieutenant Pollock
[14:42] standing in for Chief Al.
[14:45] Good evening everybody. You guys have a
[14:47] copy of our report in front of you if
[14:49] you have any questions.
[14:53] [clears throat]
[14:59] » I think last week
[15:02] come you had a new hire coming on.
[15:05] >> Yeah. is they're they're on board.
[15:07] >> They're on board.
[15:08] >> So, your full staff then?
[15:10] >> No, we're still we're still pending one
[15:12] more.
[15:14] >> Out of those 278 warnings, [snorts] um
[15:18] do you attract like UTVs and vehicles
[15:21] differently or they're all just
[15:22] warnings?
[15:23] >> If it's traffic related, just you know,
[15:25] automobiles, just vehicles.
[15:27] >> Yeah.
[15:29] noticed several uh
[15:32] fast UTVs around and no signal lights
[15:35] and stuff like that. But
[15:41] yeah, if if there's if they're stopped
[15:42] by one of our officers, it's counted as
[15:44] a traffic stop, you know, and whether
[15:46] it's a warning or citation, it's all the
[15:49] same.
[15:52] Any
[15:55] other questions,
[15:57] comments?
[16:00] Okay, thank you very much. Thank you.
[16:05] At this time, we will open up the floor
[16:07] to public comment. Just a reminder to
[16:09] please state your name for the record
[16:12] and keep your comments to 5 minutes or
[16:14] less.
[16:23] Okay, there's no public comment tonight.
[16:25] We will move along. Uh we do have a
[16:28] public hearing tonight. Uh the mayor and
[16:30] board of aldermen will hold a public
[16:32] hearing to consider a request from Lee
[16:34] Boak for a special use permit to operate
[16:37] a guest lodging establishment Airbnb at
[16:40] 6 Herszog Lane and an R1 single family
[16:44] residential district. We will open up
[16:45] this public hearing at 6:17.
[16:49] [clears throat]
[16:53] » Good evening, mayor, alderwoman, and
[16:55] alderman. Uh, as the mayor just
[16:57] mentioned, uh, the request for the
[16:58] special use permit before you tonight uh
[17:01] is going to be for a lodging
[17:03] establishment at a single family
[17:05] residence [clears throat] um, located at
[17:07] Hick 6 Herszog Lane. Uh, that property
[17:10] is located in R1 general residential
[17:12] district. Um it's a 3acre piece of
[17:15] property, actually a little bit more
[17:16] than 3 acres. Um so that property is
[17:19] located at the end of Horus Lane is not
[17:22] even a city street. It's located at the
[17:25] end of that street. Um plenty of
[17:28] parking, meets all the requirements uh
[17:31] that's required for uh under the special
[17:34] use permit for an Airbnb. Uh property's
[17:37] not located in a flood zone. Um, and it meets uh all the other requirements
[17:45] as far as signage. They don't have any
[17:46] signage. It's not allowed when you uh do
[17:48] this in an R1 zoning district. Um I
[17:51] think Lee is here. Yep. So Lee is here.
[17:54] if you have any questions for her. Um,
[17:58] this went through planning and zoning um
[18:02] on September 3rd and um you guys have in
[18:05] your should have in your packet there um
[18:07] their approval. Um so they voted
[18:10] unanimously uh to approve it and pass it
[18:13] along uh to you guys tonight. Um also I
[18:16] had uh chief of police and uh the fire
[18:19] chief look at this as well and they both
[18:21] have given their approval. Um the
[18:24] adjoining property owners were all
[18:26] notified uh via mail as per the
[18:28] requirements and um this was also posted
[18:32] uh in our uh local paper uh as per
[18:34] requirements for the meeting here
[18:36] tonight. Does anyone have any questions
[18:38] for me or Fly?
[18:42] » I have one. There's been some issues
[18:45] around in that neighborhood with just
[18:48] sloppy housekeeping, you know, and with
[18:50] that not being a city street. Um, do we
[18:53] have the same ability to police that
[18:56] area? And
[18:57] >> well, so one of the properties that
[18:59] you're referring to, uh, we've, uh,
[19:01] between me and the police department,
[19:03] um, especially related to a lot of the
[19:05] vehicles and some trash in that area,
[19:07] uh, have been dealing with those folks
[19:09] cuz the actual prop that actual
[19:10] property, uh, actually doesn't front.
[19:13] You can get there off this street, but
[19:15] they have an easement, but their main
[19:18] access is not off of that street. So,
[19:21] uh, but yes, we have, as far as parking
[19:23] in there,
[19:25] it's an easement, so we can't really,
[19:27] you know, if they were parking in that,
[19:29] we can't really get them for parking on
[19:30] the street. I'll leave that for the
[19:32] police department to decide. But, um, as
[19:35] far as any other violations, they're
[19:37] we're dealing those just like we deal
[19:39] with everybody else. So,
[19:40] >> so whether it's a city street or not, it
[19:42] makes no difference.
[19:43] >> Correct.
[19:44] cuz there's another one up there off
[19:46] that lane that's starting to look pretty
[19:48] uh bad.
[19:50] >> Yeah. And we we actually uh the owners
[19:53] uh of this property and I have discussed
[19:55] that as well and some others from that
[19:56] area have have called. So uh that's on
[19:59] our list. It's on your guys' board I
[20:01] think too. So um we are addressing those
[20:04] situations.
[20:06] Any
[20:10] uh questions, comments from the board
[20:11] regarding uh the request?
[20:18] Okay. Any comment from the public
[20:20] regarding the request?
[20:24] Okay. If not, I will go ahead and close
[20:26] the public hearing at 6:21.
[20:29] Thank you very much, Robert. Uh we'll
[20:32] also have a second public hearing. This
[20:34] is uh the mayor and board of alderman
[20:35] will hold a public hearing to consider
[20:37] the approval of a subdivision plat
[20:39] identified as progress point plat 1.
[20:42] This is plat cabinet C pages 549 through
[20:45] 556 located in US survey 3253
[20:49] [clears throat] township 38 north range
[20:50] 9 east of the uh the fifth principal
[20:53] meridian city of St. Genevie St. Genevie
[20:55] County. We will open that public hearing
[20:58] at 6:21.
[21:00] Um so um this this plat uh as you as you
[21:04] all know we've been working on this
[21:05] project long before I even came here. Um
[21:08] so this is just the culmination of uh
[21:11] all the work that has been done up until
[21:14] now. Um and as uh the city administrator
[21:17] mentioned earlier uh in this meeting
[21:20] that all the dirt work and everything
[21:22] that's going on out there, they're
[21:23] getting to a point where um that's
[21:27] getting toward the end. So, what this
[21:29] plat does is it takes um I don't know if
[21:32] you you all remember the previous plat
[21:34] that was before you um which you read
[21:36] the name of it there um actually takes
[21:40] the city dividing it up into seven lots.
[21:42] Now it's going to be divided into the
[21:44] 137 individual home lots plus the common
[21:47] grounds. So that's what this plat does.
[21:50] So, uh, and also within that, it sets
[21:53] the street lines, the street names,
[21:57] um, where all the utilities are going to
[21:58] go, the utility easements. That's all
[22:00] set based off this plat. Um, and then
[22:03] that also gives u us the ability to move
[22:06] forward with bringing in all the
[22:09] retainage for the infrastructure
[22:11] improvements. Um, and that's what this
[22:14] plant will do. And it allow them to go
[22:16] ahead and start ordering the materials
[22:17] for that. um there's quite a material
[22:20] lag time, so they want to get that going
[22:23] as soon as possible. Um so once this is
[22:25] recorded and we receive all the uh fees
[22:29] that that go along with this, then
[22:31] they'll be able to order those materials
[22:32] and get them here as soon as possible.
[22:34] Um so that's why uh we're asking for you
[22:37] to approve that. It's uh also went
[22:39] through PNZ. Um PNZ approved it uh
[22:43] unanimously to forward to you guys
[22:45] tonight. and it has also been posted in
[22:48] the paper uh as well for the
[22:50] requirements.
[22:53] >> Excellent.
[22:57] » Any questions from the board?
[23:03] » Okay. Any comment or questions from the
[23:05] public?
[23:08] Okay. If there are no further questions
[23:10] or comments, we will close that public
[23:11] hearing at 6:23. Thank you.
[23:13] >> Thank you very much, Robert.
[23:17] That will take us to tonight's consent
[23:19] agenda.
[23:21] >> Motion to approve. Second. Okay, I have
[23:25] a motion and a second. All in favor?
[23:28] >> I
[23:31] » Okay, any opposed?
[23:33] All right, thank you very much. Uh take
[23:35] us to some old business tonight. Uh we
[23:37] have uh scheduled two readings of this.
[23:40] Uh this will be a first reading of bill
[23:42] number 4738.
[23:45] This is an ordinance authorizing the
[23:46] city of St. Genevie, Missouri to enter
[23:48] into a contract with Meuire Iron
[23:51] Incorporated for emergency repairs and
[23:53] improvements to the city's on-site water
[23:56] tank. I just want to point out that at
[23:58] your seat also was an additional
[23:59] document. It's the reported emergency
[24:01] purchase, which lines out the reasons
[24:03] why we're doing this emergency purchase.
[24:08] Motion to approve. Second.
[24:10] >> Okay. I still didn't see the term
[24:12] disinfected
[24:14] of the tank once they're done. I mean, I
[24:15] know they're painting it inside and out,
[24:17] but that's still kind of a pretty
[24:19] critical.
[24:22] It says tank. Oh, that's the exclusions
[24:25] part. So, we'll have to either do that
[24:28] or contract it oursel. I don't know,
[24:29] Erica, if you know the answer to that
[24:31] one or not.
[24:32] >> I'm not sure what the question is.
[24:35] >> Part of the contract with Meguire
[24:36] doesn't include disinfection at the end
[24:38] of the painting process.
[24:40] Um, but I know we've hired people to do
[24:42] that before.
[24:46] » We'll get it figured out.
[24:47] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[24:48] >> Because I know in the original contract
[24:49] they said there was no disinfecting of
[24:54] the thing and stuff. So,
[24:55] >> they're going to be disinfecting the
[24:56] inside.
[25:03] You see it on the front page of the
[25:05] contract.
[25:13] » [clears throat]
[25:14] >> This is interior wet disinfection.
[25:17] >> That's what I mean. Sanitary.
[25:22] [clears throat]
[25:23] >> Yeah, that's what he's talking about.
[25:25] >> Now you're under contract.
[25:27] >> The exclusions under tank disinfection,
[25:28] which is what I thought you were asking
[25:30] about, involve the aluminum dome or
[25:32] steel, I'm sorry, the dome that will be
[25:35] built and installed.
[25:38] But the interior wet part that holds the
[25:41] water, this includes disinfection.
[25:44] [clears throat]
[25:46] >> Okay.
[25:48] I do believe I have a motion and a
[25:50] second on the floor. All in favor?
[25:53] >> I.
[25:53] >> Any opposed? [clears throat]
[25:56] >> Motion for a second reading.
[25:57] >> Okay.
[26:00] >> Second.
[26:01] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second for a
[26:04] second reading of bill number 4738. All
[26:06] in favor?
[26:07] >> I.
[26:08] >> Any opposed?
[26:10] >> Okay.
[26:14] » This will be a second reading of bill
[26:16] number 4738. This is an ordinance
[26:18] authorizing the city of St. Genevie,
[26:20] Missouri to enter into a contract with
[26:22] Meguire Iron Incorporated for emergency
[26:25] repairs and improvements to the city's
[26:26] on-site water tank.
[26:28] >> Motion to approve. Second.
[26:30] >> Second.
[26:31] >> We have a motion and a second. Pam,
[26:33] would you do a roll call, please?
[26:34] Alderman Stiger,
[26:35] >> yes.
[26:36] >> Alderman Prince,
[26:37] >> yes. [clears throat]
[26:38] >> Alderman Einman,
[26:39] >> yes.
[26:40] >> Alderman Huey,
[26:41] >> yes.
[26:42] >> Alderman Donovan,
[26:43] >> yes.
[26:44] >> Alderwoman Dobs,
[26:45] >> yeah.
[26:46] >> Six just zero. No, two absent. Bill
[26:48] number 4738 now becomes ordinance number
[26:51] 4659.
[26:53] >> Thank you very much.
[26:56] >> Next up tonight is the second reading of
[26:57] bill number 4739. This is an ordinance
[27:00] authorizing the mayor to enter into and
[27:02] execute a professional operating
[27:04] services and management agreement with
[27:06] Alliance Water Resources Incorporated, a
[27:08] Missouri corporation. Motion
[27:10] >> to approve. I'll second it then.
[27:14] Have a motion and a second. Any
[27:16] discussion? Okay. Pam, would you do a
[27:19] roll call, please?
[27:20] >> Alderwoman Dobs.
[27:21] >> Yes.
[27:21] >> Alderman Donovan?
[27:22] >> Yes.
[27:23] >> Alderman Huey?
[27:24] >> Yes.
[27:24] >> Alderman Stiger?
[27:25] >> Yes.
[27:25] >> Alderman Prince?
[27:26] >> Yes.
[27:27] >> Alderman Nman?
[27:28] >> Yes.
[27:28] >> Six? Yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill
[27:31] number 4739,
[27:34] now [clears throat] is ordinance 4660.
[27:37] >> Thank you very much. That'll take us to
[27:40] a second reading of bill number 4740.
[27:43] This is an ordinance of the board of
[27:44] alderman of the city of St. Genevie,
[27:46] Missouri, adopting the annual budget for
[27:48] fiscal year 2027 and approving an
[27:50] effective date.
[27:53] >> Motion to approve.
[27:54] >> Second.
[27:57] Okay, I have a motion and a second. Pam,
[27:59] would you do a roll call, please?
[28:00] >> Alderman Hwie,
[28:02] >> yes.
[28:02] >> Alderman,
[28:03] >> yes.
[28:03] >> Alderman Donovan,
[28:04] >> yes.
[28:05] >> Alderman Prince,
[28:06] >> yes.
[28:06] >> Alderman Stiger,
[28:07] >> yes.
[28:08] >> Alderwoman DS,
[28:09] >> yes.
[28:10] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill
[28:12] number 4740 now becomes ordinance 4661.
[28:18] >> Thank you very much. Uh then last in old
[28:22] business tonight, we have a second
[28:23] reading of bill number 4741.
[28:26] This is an ordinance authorizing the
[28:27] mayor to enter into an agreement between
[28:29] the city of St. Genevieve and the St.
[28:31] Genevieve Community Access Television
[28:33] Board, channel 990-91.
[28:36] >> Motion to approve.
[28:37] >> Second.
[28:39] >> We have a motion and a second. Pam,
[28:42] would you do a roll call, please?
[28:43] >> Alderman Donovan,
[28:44] >> yes.
[28:45] >> Alderwoman Dobs,
[28:46] >> yes. Alderman Huey,
[28:48] >> yes. Alderman Prince,
[28:49] >> yes.
[28:50] >> Alderman Stiger,
[28:51] >> yes.
[28:51] >> Alderman,
[28:52] >> yes.
[28:52] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill
[28:56] number 4741 now becomes ordinance 4662.
[29:01] >> Thank you very much.
[29:03] Some new business tonight. Uh, first up,
[29:05] we have resolution 2026-56.
[29:08] This is a resolution appointing Rhett
[29:10] Hendrickson to the St. Genevieve
[29:12] Heritage Commission.
[29:14] >> Motion to approve.
[29:16] Second.
[29:18] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All
[29:20] in favor?
[29:22] >> Any opposed?
[29:24] >> Okay, thank you very much. Uh, next up
[29:27] is a first reading of bill number 4742.
[29:30] This is an ordinance calling for the
[29:32] general election of officers of the city
[29:34] of St. Genevie, Missouri to be held
[29:36] April 6th, 2027 and providing notice to
[29:39] the general public.
[29:41] >> Motion to approve.
[29:42] >> Second.
[29:46] Okay, I have a motion and a second. All
[29:47] in favor?
[29:48] >> I.
[29:49] >> Any opposed?
[29:52] Thank you very much.
[29:55] Next up is bill number 4743. This is a
[29:58] first reading and this is an ordinance
[29:59] approving a special use permit for Lee
[30:01] Boiaak
[30:03] Lenny Kathy and Michael Herszog senior
[30:05] joint ownership that will allow the
[30:07] operation of a guest lodging business at
[30:09] Six Herzog Lane.
[30:11] >> Motion to approve. Second.
[30:14] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All
[30:16] in favor?
[30:18] >> Any opposed?
[30:21] Thank you very much.
[30:24] We have two readings scheduled for this
[30:25] one. If you so choose, uh, this would be
[30:28] a first reading of bill number 4744.
[30:30] This is an ordinance accepting and
[30:31] approving a subdivision plat identified
[30:33] as progress point plat 2.
[30:37] Motion to approve.
[30:39] >> Second.
[30:40] >> Okay. Okay, have a motion and a second.
[30:42] All in favor?
[30:45] >> Any opposed?
[30:47] Thank you.
[30:48] >> Motion for a second reading, please.
[30:55] » Second.
[30:56] >> Discussion.
[30:57] >> Yes, sir.
[30:58] >> Just reason two readings.
[31:00] >> Go ahead.
[31:03] >> Um, so, uh, couple reasons. uh one is uh
[31:06] as I discussed earlier the timeline uh
[31:10] that's involved with getting the
[31:11] material here and by the time that
[31:14] happens um especially since and another
[31:16] reason is we move that uh next our next
[31:19] meeting back a week. So that's another
[31:21] additional week that it'll take to get
[31:24] those materials here. Um so that's uh
[31:26] the main reasons they're requesting that
[31:28] to happen. In addition, uh again, this
[31:31] is just a culmination of everything that you all has been before you guys
[31:35] the whole time. Um we're just uh
[31:38] finalizing those items.
[31:40] >> Thank you.
[31:42] >> I believe there's a motion and a second
[31:44] for a second reading of bill number
[31:46] 4744.
[31:47] All in favor?
[31:49] >> Any opposed?
[31:51] Okay. This will be a second reading of
[31:53] bill number 4744. This is an ordinance
[31:55] accepting and approving a subdivision
[31:57] plat identified as progress point plat
[32:00] 2.
[32:02] >> Motion to approve.
[32:06] » Second.
[32:08] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second. Pam,
[32:10] would you do a roll call, please?
[32:12] >> Alderman,
[32:13] >> yes.
[32:14] >> Alderman Huey,
[32:15] >> yes.
[32:15] >> Alderman Donovan,
[32:16] >> yes.
[32:17] >> Alderwoman Dobs,
[32:18] >> yes.
[32:18] >> Alderman Prince,
[32:19] >> yes.
[32:19] >> Alderman Stiger,
[32:20] >> yes.
[32:21] >> Six, yes. Zero nos, two absent. Bill
[32:24] number 4745 now become oh bill number
[32:27] 4744 now becomes ordinance 4663.
[32:31] >> Thank you very much. And last up in new
[32:34] business tonight we have a first reading
[32:36] of bill number 4745.
[32:38] This is an ordinance approving a budget
[32:40] amendment to the city of St. Genevie for
[32:42] the fiscal year 2026 budget relating to
[32:44] the various revenue and expenditure
[32:46] increases. Motion to approve. Second.
[32:51] >> Okay. I have a motion and a second. All
[32:54] in favor?
[32:55] >> I.
[32:56] >> Any opposed?
[33:00] Okay. Thank you very much. That will
[33:02] conclude our schedule of business. Any
[33:04] other business to bring forth before the
[33:05] board at this time?
[33:11] Okay.
[33:12] If not, then we will adjourn and move
[33:15] into work session. Thank you all very
[33:17] much.
[33:22] tonight's work session to order.
[33:26] At this time, I'll look for approval of
[33:27] tonight's work session agenda.
[33:30] So move
[33:32] >> second.
[33:32] >> Okay. Have a motion and a second. All in
[33:34] favor?
[33:36] >> Any opposed?
[33:38] Okay. Thank you very much. Uh first
[33:39] topic tonight, we're going to discuss
[33:41] some animal control regulations. So, uh,
[33:45] about a month ago, we brought this up
[33:47] under other business and there was some
[33:49] questions, so we decided to bring it
[33:51] back to work session. [clears throat]
[33:54] Um, I believe you have a report at your
[33:55] desk and or sorry, at your seat and
[33:58] Robert's going to go over that staff.
[34:03] Um, so over the past, as my letter says
[34:06] or my report here says, over the past uh
[34:08] several months, the city's received
[34:09] multiple issues um concerning animal
[34:12] control. Um, and I only know about
[34:16] probably a handful of them. Um, I'm sure
[34:18] the police get a lot more that I don't
[34:19] even know [clears throat] about. Um,
[34:21] everything again from animal waste to
[34:24] too many animals at one location and
[34:27] kind of everything in between. Um, so I
[34:29] kind of put together a list of bulleted
[34:31] items here, uh, that I think are
[34:33] probably the most important to address.
[34:36] Um, currently the city, uh, as far as
[34:38] their animal control services, uh, they
[34:41] kind of have a handshake deal with the
[34:42] county. Uh, we greatly appreciate that.
[34:45] Um, but as you can imagine, uh, that
[34:48] gentleman is having to do animal control
[34:50] all over the county. So, if he's on one
[34:53] side of the county and we've got a
[34:55] situation where we've got five or six
[34:57] dogs jumping out the window of a house
[34:59] and running all over the neighborhood,
[35:00] we kind of need somebody to take
[35:03] attention to that in a in a hurry. Um, I
[35:06] oversaw animal control at Crystal City.
[35:10] Um, so I'm well aware of how important
[35:12] it is to get to the scene as soon as
[35:14] possible. A lot of times those issues
[35:16] disappear by the time we arrive. So,
[35:18] it's kind of hard to verify
[35:20] [clears throat] something that can't see
[35:22] when we get there. Um, and those uh
[35:25] sometimes result in people getting bit,
[35:27] hurt, chased, all kinds of things. So,
[35:31] um, with that, um, you [clears throat]
[35:34] know, it's it's kind of hard to do that.
[35:35] We do the best we can with what we got.
[35:37] Um, again, we appreciate the the county
[35:40] and what they do for us. Um, you know,
[35:42] the officers have have done things where
[35:45] they've put animals in vehicles and done
[35:47] the best they can, but um, you know,
[35:49] there's just some you don't want to be
[35:50] putting a an animal that's, uh, going to
[35:53] bite your arm off, uh, in the back of
[35:55] your patrol car, pretty much. So, um,
[35:58] the current current ordrances uh,
[36:00] haven't actually been actively enforced
[36:02] uh, for the kind of the same reasons I
[36:04] mentioned. Um, you know, it's kind of
[36:07] hard to enforce something when, uh, one,
[36:09] we don't have a regulation on how many
[36:11] animals you can actually have. So, if
[36:14] you're allowed to have 20 dogs, you're
[36:16] allowed to have 20 dogs unless it breaks
[36:19] something else in the ordinance.
[36:22] Did you have a question?
[36:22] >> Are we going to address that first one
[36:24] or are we going to go back through the
[36:26] however you want to do?
[36:26] >> Uh, however you want to do it. If you
[36:28] want me to just kind of go through them
[36:29] real quick and then we'll talk about
[36:30] them or we can do one at a time, however
[36:32] you would like.
[36:34] Okay. So, um, so the active enforcement,
[36:38] >> [clears throat]
[36:38] >> um, like I said, we're we're doing the
[36:40] best we can with with what we've got.
[36:42] Um, increasing that enforcement, uh,
[36:45] will result in, um, several things. One,
[36:48] we'll have more detained animals that
[36:50] we're going to have to do something
[36:51] with. And, uh, based on my past
[36:54] experience, uh, trying to find homes for
[36:57] these animals and places to put them
[36:59] when we don't have a facility ourselves
[37:01] creates a real huge problem. So, um,
[37:04] again, the county, I think, is looking
[37:06] at, uh, doing some more with with
[37:08] facilities, but again, um, with what
[37:11] they have to deal with, and if we have
[37:13] situations, there's just not enough
[37:15] room. So, that's something we'll have to
[37:17] address. Um, so the animals also that
[37:21] people keep today, uh, snakes, rodents,
[37:25] herds of all kinds, uh, other than
[37:27] chickens, which are are allowed under
[37:29] certain, uh, conditions here. [snorts]
[37:32] um aren't addressed in the ordinance. Um
[37:34] the only way it addresses it, it's it's
[37:36] if if somebody finds it offensive or
[37:38] disturbing and they're a reasonable
[37:40] person. Well,
[37:43] how do we know whether that really I
[37:46] mean, you're saying that, you know, that
[37:48] guy has a snake over there and I'm
[37:49] disturbed by that and I'm a reasonable
[37:52] person. Well, that's kind of too wide
[37:53] open. So, we need some more regulations
[37:56] uh related to the animals that uh the
[37:59] community wants to have. Uh and again
[38:01] the total numbers uh is a big one. Um
[38:04] that's that's got to be addressed and
[38:06] there's multiple ways to do that. Um, so
[38:09] my recommendation is have a general
[38:12] discussion here tonight about those
[38:13] topics and then uh direct uh staff to
[38:17] put something together uh taking our
[38:19] current ordinance uh into play and then
[38:22] tweaking it uh to how best uh we think
[38:26] it needs to go and we'll present that to
[38:28] you uh based on also with your comments
[38:31] here tonight.
[38:33] So, if we want to address uh the
[38:36] enforcement of it um right off the bat,
[38:39] we we it's the police department mainly
[38:41] that's going to respond to those. Um
[38:43] [clears throat] and Ryan, I guess you
[38:45] can address how uh you guys would handle
[38:48] if you've got a a dog. Let's just do it
[38:50] a dog situation where [clears throat]
[38:52] you know you got five or six dogs and
[38:54] they're running around the neighborhood
[38:55] jumping out of the a house window with
[38:57] nobody around. Um, normally in the past
[39:00] we our officers respond to all animal
[39:02] calls when we're dispatched. I mean,
[39:04] it's just kind of how it goes. For
[39:06] transport, if we have to take one, you
[39:09] know, because they're loose or whatnot,
[39:10] then we do call the county, you know,
[39:12] and the animal control there has been
[39:13] pretty helpful overall. The only thing
[39:16] that we see on our side from on animal
[39:20] control is just the the hours that he
[39:22] works,
[39:22] >> right?
[39:23] >> So, um, I know that they're getting
[39:25] ready to make some changes. Um, I think
[39:27] Mike's retiring and so I'm I'm not too
[39:29] sure if that's going to change with the
[39:31] new guy, but however,
[39:33] um, Monday through Friday we're usually
[39:35] able to get him in here when we need
[39:37] him, you know, and he does do other
[39:39] things in town that we don't do. He
[39:41] >> sets traps and and does, you know, odd
[39:43] other odd things like that to help with
[39:45] that site kind of stuff with people that
[39:47] call. So,
[39:50] >> Robert, I have to uh give the police
[39:52] department a pat on the back as far as
[39:54] their response. I recently had a dog
[39:56] bite on my hand. Was pretty serious. And
[39:58] they responded where they were right
[40:01] there. Y
[40:01] >> and the handling situation handled
[40:03] professionally and the ambulance was
[40:05] there. Everything fell right into place
[40:08] and and Mike came in and took care of
[40:10] the dog, but the whole thing was handled
[40:12] professionally without a hitch. Now all
[40:14] I got to do is get paid. And with that
[40:18] happening, um, you know, or for the
[40:21] ordinance, you know, that dog that bit
[40:24] you should have had a a tag and and a
[40:27] license here registered with the city to
[40:30] prove that it had its rabies
[40:31] vaccinations.
[40:33] And then we would be looking at
[40:35] classifying that animal as possibly a
[40:38] dangerous animal. And there's all kinds
[40:40] of things that have to happen to house a
[40:42] dangerous animal and things like that.
[40:44] So there's further things that need to
[40:46] happen when something like that happens.
[40:48] >> Fortunately, the owner of the dog came
[40:50] forward and everything in place. They
[40:52] just didn't have the tags.
[40:54] >> Excellent.
[40:55] >> But don't we have the ordinance in place
[40:57] as far as the tags and requirements and
[41:00] >> Yes, for that. Yeah,
[41:01] >> the ordinance is there. And a lot of
[41:04] those don't, you know, we don't know
[41:06] they have we don't know they have
[41:07] animals until we're responding to a
[41:10] situation. Um, and I can tell you, you
[41:15] know, we we can put rules and
[41:16] regulations in place, but that's still
[41:18] going to happen to a certain extent. Um,
[41:21] my really my main concern honestly is
[41:25] two things. the number of animals right
[41:28] now, the number of animals, and what are
[41:32] we going to do if the county uh the new
[41:36] guy doesn't carry on like like they have
[41:38] in the past cuz there's nothing, you
[41:40] know, in writing. Uh and then really the
[41:43] other thing is um the number of not
[41:46] number of pets, but the type of pets
[41:49] that are allowed.
[41:53] So, what we're asking for is some
[41:55] feedback because last time we brought
[41:56] this up, there was do we really need to
[41:58] do this? Uh, and I informed you that
[42:00] there was a house here locally that had
[42:02] 19 dogs. So, um, it is
[42:06] >> always
[42:09] it is something that needs to be
[42:10] considered. Do we need to limit the
[42:12] number of animals? I think Robert could
[42:14] probably give you some additional
[42:15] information on multiple municipalities
[42:17] that limit the number of animals. uh
[42:20] animal reasonability. Do you want to
[42:22] tackle that topic as far as he mentioned
[42:24] snakes and things like that? Um and then
[42:27] enforcement. Um I think we'll consider
[42:30] that down the road depending on what
[42:31] happens and we can always I can reach
[42:33] out to the sheriff about an
[42:34] intergovernmental agreement instead of a
[42:36] handshake deal. Uh but they've done a
[42:38] good job. Not knocking that whatsoever.
[42:40] Uh but number of [clears throat] animals
[42:42] and reasonability I think are topics.
[42:45] There's no reason for us to draft an
[42:47] ordinance if you don't want us to. But I
[42:49] can tell you there are citizens out
[42:51] there who would appreciate it.
[42:53] >> I know years ago and alderman prince
[42:55] will remember we tried to limit pitbulls
[42:59] after a pitbull attacked a male person.
[43:02] Uh boy there was just
[43:06] opposition public opposition to that and
[43:08] stuff. So I don't know if I'd want to
[43:10] get into the type of dogs but no
[43:12] >> you know definitely the number because
[43:14] now our ordinance we could have a puppy
[43:15] mill right here in town and have
[43:19] You could and I think Robert could
[43:20] probably share some information with you
[43:22] on uh we could also draft an ordinance
[43:25] that requires if you have over a certain
[43:27] number then you need a kennel license.
[43:29] >> Y yeah
[43:29] >> I don't know if you want to chat about
[43:31] that or the other municipalities.
[43:33] >> Yeah. So so several other municipalities
[43:35] uh most recently one that that that I
[43:37] worked for um if once you got over three
[43:42] animals so at animal number four you had
[43:45] to get a kennel license. Now, that
[43:47] didn't apply to your dog having pups cuz
[43:50] you were given an exemption for the pups
[43:52] for so long. So, um other than that
[43:55] exemption or babies, um you had to get a
[44:00] kennel license or get rid of that
[44:02] animal. Um so, that was done be a
[44:06] special use permit similar to the one
[44:08] that we had here tonight. So, uh, if you
[44:10] want to get a kennel license in a
[44:11] residential neighborhood, um, there was
[44:14] all kinds of rules and regulations that
[44:16] went behind that to things they had to
[44:19] meet for cleanliness and we did
[44:21] inspections and and all kinds of things.
[44:23] Uh, I did two of them while I worked for
[44:25] the city of Crystal City. Um, and both
[44:28] of those went went great. They did well.
[44:31] Uh, because not only a lot of reasons
[44:34] they had a lot of animals is because
[44:35] they were housing them for people when
[44:37] they went out of town.
[44:39] So they were dog sitting or or cat
[44:41] sitting or whatever animals. Some of
[44:43] them had snakes there too. So um that's
[44:46] how we became aware of some of those
[44:48] things and um you know the the neighbors
[44:51] had no issues with that. So uh that went
[44:54] well. Um but as far as the numbers I
[44:57] mean you can get there's some
[44:59] communities that say you know they put
[45:00] it just as a number total three. That's
[45:03] three in a combination. So you can have
[45:05] two cats and a dog. Uh some say, "Well,
[45:08] two cats equal one dog." So, you can go
[45:12] that route. Um it's just all about what we want to do, what the community
[45:16] wants to see.
[45:17] >> So, do we make any distinguish between
[45:19] inside house pets and outside dogs or
[45:22] nothing?
[45:23] >> Not nobody's really done that to to my
[45:25] knowledge. It's if if you've got uh a
[45:30] dog outside or a dog inside, that's two
[45:32] dogs. So, it the number is combined. And
[45:36] I've not worked for any jurisdiction or
[45:40] the research I've done so far, none of
[45:42] them um specify any kind of breeds or
[45:45] anything like that. They don't touch
[45:46] that at all.
[45:47] >> So, how'd that number three seem to work
[45:49] out? Is that
[45:51] >> that worked out pretty well? Um there
[45:53] was uh right before I left, there was a
[45:56] push to try and take it to five. Um, and
[46:00] that's when I kind of mentioned, uh, if
[46:02] we're going to do five, you know,
[46:03] everybody thought that was okay, that
[46:05] number would be okay. Um, again, there's
[46:08] other regulations that they would have
[46:10] to meet. If you went up to five animals,
[46:13] there's still things to protect
[46:14] everybody, like waste and things like
[46:16] that that have to be taken care of. So,
[46:18] if they violate that, then we'll have to
[46:21] deal with that from there. But if we did
[46:24] that five, I recommended we went to the
[46:26] combination deal where, you know, cat so
[46:30] many cats equal a dog, that type of
[46:33] thing. So that kind of controlled that a
[46:35] little bit. I know somebody in my ward
[46:38] has two cats, a dog, and a rabbit,
[46:42] you know, and they're all very well
[46:43] taken care of, very well housed. You
[46:46] know, that would be hard to tell
[46:48] somebody to get rid of.
[46:49] >> Well, so here's the other part of that.
[46:51] So when you change these regulations,
[46:53] that's why it's the tags are important
[46:55] and registering the animals are
[46:57] important because that lets the city
[46:59] know what you have. So any of the
[47:03] ordinances we change related to the
[47:05] number, I would make a suggestion that
[47:09] people that have the animals come and
[47:11] register their animals and then we, you
[47:15] know, we can't if somebody has five dogs
[47:17] and we only or five dogs and we only
[47:18] allow three animals, like you said, it's
[47:21] they're their family. It's going to be
[47:22] hard to get rid of two. So um you know,
[47:26] we'll just have to decide at that point
[47:28] what what we want to do there. But most
[47:31] of them if you reg if you had your
[47:33] animal registered and you had five
[47:35] animals registered right now those five
[47:37] animals stay but once that animal is no
[47:41] longer with us then you're you reduce
[47:45] down every time you don't get to replace
[47:47] that one with another number.
[47:49] >> We have any idea how many animals are
[47:51] registered now in the city?
[47:52] >> I don't have a current count. Pam,
[47:54] [clears throat] would you happen to have
[47:55] any idea?
[47:57] >> Not off the top of my head.
[47:58] >> Okay. It's on one page. Yeah, I'll tell
[48:00] you that.
[48:00] >> It's not many,
[48:01] >> right?
[48:01] >> I'm sure it's not many.
[48:02] >> Right.
[48:03] >> Well, in that scenario that
[48:04] [clears throat] he's talking about, if
[48:05] you got a kennel license,
[48:07] >> you could have the additional animal.
[48:09] >> Correct.
[48:09] >> Yep. Now, with the kennel license, are
[48:11] you would you require an actual kennel
[48:14] to hold these or could they be running
[48:15] in your house or would you have to have
[48:17] a kennel?
[48:17] >> Um, so there we we'd have a required
[48:21] space requirement for them. So, you
[48:24] know, a lot of that's based on so if
[48:26] we're talking dogs, that's based on
[48:27] weight. Um, so the larger dogs take up
[48:31] more space. So, um, and there's
[48:34] statistics out there that cover all
[48:36] that. Um, but yeah, there's going to be
[48:39] a certain space requirement. Do they
[48:40] have to be housed in a kennel? No. Um,
[48:43] the one I was talking about earlier, uh,
[48:46] Crystal City there. Um, essentially it
[48:49] was a a guy and his son and they had a
[48:52] six-bedroom house and they operated that
[48:56] thing out of a six-bedroom house and
[48:58] literally going in their place was
[48:59] spotless. But you wouldn't even know
[49:03] there was animals really living in there
[49:04] except I could see them. So, uh, it's
[49:07] all about how you take care of it. But
[49:09] we would inspect that and also inspect
[49:12] that every year. That would be my
[49:14] recommendation. uh and wouldn't charge
[49:17] them necessarily anything to do that
[49:18] inspection. It's a quick inspection. Uh
[49:21] they get their kennel license to begin
[49:22] with and then they're just re-uped every
[49:24] year. And as long as they're not doing a
[49:26] business, if it's just they're having a
[49:28] kennel because they want to have more
[49:30] than the number of animals, then it's
[49:33] just them having a kennel and it's their
[49:35] own animals. If they're doing it for
[49:36] business, then we're going to have a
[49:37] business license that they have to get
[49:39] as well. You know that one I was telling
[49:43] you about, you know, the two cats, the
[49:44] dog and the rabbit. I don't want to pick
[49:46] on those people. I want to pick on the
[49:48] guy that's got 19 dogs out of his house.
[49:50] So,
[49:51] >> I you know, uh
[49:54] >> I I wouldn't throw numbers out just to say that's what we need to set. It's
[49:58] that's
[49:59] >> No, but I mean that type of person
[50:01] taking care of their animals very well.
[50:03] Yep.
[50:03] >> Uh, personally, I'm not interested in
[50:06] going after that guy, but the guy with
[50:08] the 19 dogs, I I you know, we got to
[50:10] have a clear distinction here between
[50:12] somebody abusing and somebody taking
[50:15] care of. And I know that's hard to do,
[50:17] but I I I don't see this going over very
[50:20] well if we go after somebody with those
[50:23] type of animals and taking care of them
[50:25] and shots and, you know, uh, I'm not
[50:30] sure if that was me. I don't have them
[50:31] [clears throat] all registered. I mean I
[50:32] you were Yeah, that whole kennel thing
[50:35] to do for something like that is a I I
[50:39] don't know that's going to be hard to
[50:40] enforce and impossible to maintain and
[50:44] watch. But
[50:45] >> I I don't want city to get into the
[50:47] subjectivity of whether an animal is
[50:49] being cared for well or not. I think if
[50:51] we want to do this, it needs to be a
[50:53] number. um you know if that number's 3,
[50:55] five or 10 um and we can draft an
[50:59] ordinance and bring it to you or um we
[51:02] can form a committee um if we need to,
[51:04] but it it can't be where we're going in
[51:07] and determining we kind of do that with
[51:09] animal abuse already, but that's in
[51:12] really stark cases. Okay. So, in years
[51:16] past when we uh came up with something
[51:19] for anything, uh we basically said,
[51:22] "Well, let's take a look at what our
[51:24] surrounding communities have." And
[51:26] that's presented to us with a mockup of
[51:29] what we would like to see here based off
[51:32] those. Uh, I mean, [snorts] personally
[51:34] to sit here and talk about all these
[51:36] scenarios of what could happen or this
[51:38] person's got this and this and
[51:41] I mean we're kind of just twiddling our
[51:44] thumbs right now. What I'd like to see
[51:46] is is what others around us have and
[51:50] then what you propose for us to have, we
[51:52] can look at it and then we can tweak and
[51:55] tweak that draft from there. Um, I mean,
[51:58] I'm all [cough] going forward
[52:00] [clears throat] with it. But I want to
[52:02] see, you know, what others are doing and
[52:04] then if we don't like certain things
[52:06] that some of them are doing, we can
[52:08] tweak ours to do that. But, um, let's
[52:11] take a look at what everybody around us
[52:13] is doing and then we can come up with
[52:15] our own to really fine-tune comb it once
[52:19] it's presented. [clears throat] So,
[52:20] >> yep. If if we're talking about, you
[52:24] know, let's five sounds reasonable to
[52:27] me. If you if you just picked the number
[52:29] to start with, five sounds reasonable.
[52:31] Are you going to grandfather in those
[52:32] person that has six then person 19?
[52:35] [clears throat]
[52:36] Well, that's when if so somebody comes
[52:39] in and registers 19, I want to that's
[52:42] where I would be looking at the
[52:44] conditions that they're in
[52:47] because it's going to have to be there's
[52:49] already in our current ordinance
[52:50] regulations to protect uh for for that.
[52:55] Yeah, there's regulations in there to
[52:57] protect for that situation.
[52:59] [clears throat]
[53:00] Not necessarily from the number, but if
[53:02] you have, let's say, 10 dogs or 19 dogs
[53:06] in in a house that's, you know, and
[53:08] their feces are all over the house and
[53:10] everything like that, we have
[53:12] regulations to protect that.
[53:14] >> Would you also take into consideration
[53:16] if it was already deemed the one
[53:17] dangerous dog in that 19 dog household?
[53:22] » How that dog was
[53:24] >> Yeah.
[53:24] >> determined to be dangerous. I mean,
[53:25] there's there's a finding
[53:27] >> of a vicious animal. Well, you have to
[53:30] have a finding. So, that depending on
[53:32] and I'm sorry, I didn't study your
[53:35] thought I was going to skip out of work
[53:36] session tonight. [laughter]
[53:38] Um, but generally, you have a procedure
[53:40] where the board of alderman uh will vote
[53:42] and determine that uh an animal is a
[53:44] vicious animal and and then require
[53:48] conditions uh which usually is to cage
[53:50] them. you have insurance
[53:52] >> uh to have that animal specifically
[53:54] insured against dog bites and other uh
[53:57] restrictions on whenever they're being
[53:59] transported in the residence or in in
[54:01] town or secured uh in in some manner or
[54:05] another it can be quite expensive. But
[54:08] if you have a literally have a vicious
[54:09] dog that has injured um especially if
[54:12] it's injured humans and not not to
[54:14] denigrate you it's also important if
[54:17] they you know dogs are attacking other
[54:20] dogs you neighbor dogs and killing them
[54:21] or hurting them. Uh but there's a
[54:23] process but you have to go through that
[54:25] process and then you can then you can
[54:27] have um a determination and you can have
[54:31] a determination not that you necessarily
[54:33] want to but yet you can have a
[54:35] determination that the dog be put down.
[54:37] you know, if it's truly a vicious
[54:38] animal, you there has to be there is a
[54:42] legal system and a legal mechanism to
[54:44] address those extreme situations. And specifically by state statute, if
[54:49] there is a bite of a human, the state
[54:53] statute requires a 10-day quarantine
[54:54] period. You know, that that the local
[54:57] law enforcement is required to do that.
[55:00] Um, I know a lot of cities don't like to
[55:02] do that or maybe some, especially small
[55:05] ones, don't have the facilities to do
[55:07] it. That's a requirement. Um, whether
[55:09] you have an ordinance on it or not. I'm hearing about the 19 dogs for the
[55:13] first time tonight. I can't imagine
[55:16] there's not a nuisance issue with with the property that has 19 animals,
[55:20] 19 dogs in it, but I don't have any
[55:22] personal knowledge of it. But I would
[55:24] think that there's some other ordinances
[55:25] that maybe can use some enforcement
[55:28] uh on that on that particular property.
[55:31] But I would be reluctant to um enforce a
[55:35] restriction on animals that are already
[55:38] owned and present on the premises,
[55:40] especially if you're going to go to
[55:41] five. Now, you know, some cities will
[55:43] have total of five as defined animals.
[55:47] So, you have, you know, maybe you
[55:48] include rabbits, maybe you don't. Uh,
[55:50] but it's always going to be dogs and
[55:52] cats at least defined. And a lot of
[55:54] times you'll see no more than three dogs
[55:57] and no more than five total, you know,
[55:59] so you could have five cats. You have
[56:01] one dog and four cats. You have, you
[56:03] know, so that that's pretty common to
[56:05] say those kind of limitations. But, uh,
[56:08] so I think that's what the
[56:09] administration is looking for is okay,
[56:11] number one, do you want to have a
[56:13] restriction on it? Number two, do you
[56:15] have an idea? It sounds like you kind of
[56:17] want us to come back with something that
[56:19] is okay. This is what maybe Perryville
[56:22] or maybe some of the Jefferson County
[56:23] cities have or or maybe Farmington or
[56:25] something. Um and then and then you can
[56:28] kind of pick and choose, but it's it's
[56:30] always going to be the numbers and then
[56:32] the kennel issue. Um I don't know if
[56:35] I've seen those as special use permits.
[56:37] I've I've seen those is if you're going
[56:38] to have a kennel, you're going to have
[56:39] to commercial, you know, so it's like a
[56:41] prohibition uh in residential areas
[56:44] because, you know, if you have 10 dogs,
[56:46] um that's that that can be very
[56:48] burdensome on your residential
[56:50] neighbors. But um that that could be a
[56:53] way to to address it as well. But if
[56:55] you're overlaying that's a zoning issue,
[56:58] so special use purpose. So then you have
[56:59] to publish notice to the public and all
[57:01] that before you
[57:02] >> you adopt any sort of uh zoning use
[57:06] regulations.
[57:08] Um the the other health and welfare uh
[57:11] ordinances
[57:13] um you can adopt and apply to all of
[57:17] them. the number of animals is kind of
[57:21] between those two. And but I would I
[57:23] would say you you might [clears throat]
[57:24] run into some problems trying to say
[57:27] people who already have six dogs and you
[57:29] say, "Okay, you only have five." Uh
[57:32] you're going to run into problems
[57:33] enforcing that, but whether whether you
[57:35] can push the issue or not, I don't know
[57:37] off the off the cuff tonight. uh if you
[57:40] could really force that issue I think
[57:42] you possibly could itself and welfare
[57:45] police power rather than flooding and
[57:47] zoning but I don't know if that answers
[57:49] the the first question or the first
[57:51] thing that came up but but the vicious
[57:53] animal thing there has to be a either a
[57:56] judicial determination in court or a
[57:58] determination by the board of older
[57:59] persons and that would have to be
[58:01] brought uh before you in a hearing and
[58:03] it would be contested hearing where the
[58:05] animal owner would have a right to be
[58:07] heard and to present evidence the dog
[58:10] isn't vicious.
[58:12] That's a due process hearing.
[58:14] >> And we've we've done those before in
[58:16] other cities.
[58:16] >> And we have those ordinances. We have
[58:18] potentially dangerous and then
[58:19] dangerous. And we have some listed on
[58:21] potentially dangerous right now. But the
[58:22] dangerous would come to you all.
[58:25] >> And I've been through unfortunately
[58:27] those same hearings three times. And
[58:30] unfortunately, uh, one dog just
[58:33] absolutely decided he's just going to
[58:35] bite everybody every chance he gets. So,
[58:38] um, yeah, the unfortunate thing of
[58:40] putting that animal down, which is not a
[58:42] fun thing. Um, but to tell you how
[58:45] people care about their animals, um,
[58:47] they end up spending about $25,000 to
[58:50] keep both those dogs.
[58:53] So, it sounds like bring back to you
[58:55] some samples or examples of um uh nearby
[58:59] cities, their limitations, and then
[59:02] draft an ordinance um to kind of bring
[59:06] it back to a work session. If we can get
[59:09] your okay, then we'll go through the PNZ
[59:11] process.
[59:12] >> So, Robert, in your past and stuff, it
[59:14] sounds like most of the violations have
[59:16] been dogs.
[59:18] >> Uh
[59:18] >> most of most of the time.
[59:20] >> Most of the time. So distinguishing
[59:22] between dogs and other animals, you
[59:25] know, to make it so many dogs and then
[59:29] >> Yeah.
[59:30] >> cuz where does it stop? Cats, rabbits,
[59:32] frogs, fish.
[59:34] >> Well, yeah. And that and that's the
[59:36] thing. Um, again, that's why it's
[59:38] important to to designate it. So, if
[59:40] it's not on the list, then it's not a
[59:42] control. you know, if you if if snakes
[59:44] aren't on the list, then we're not
[59:47] looking for snakes unless it violates
[59:50] some other part of the welfare side of
[59:53] things, we're not going to limit the
[59:54] number
[59:55] >> snakes violate. Usually in a hoarding
[59:58] situation, you're having cats rather
[59:59] than dogs, right? Yes. But sometimes you
[1:00:01] do have dogs. But but they're there. I
[1:00:05] would advise you to have at least some
[1:00:06] sort of limit on cats even if it's a
[1:00:09] higher limit because you could easily
[1:00:11] have a house has 30 cats in it easy.
[1:00:14] >> In in my neighborhood, if you want more
[1:00:16] than five cats, just leave food out. You
[1:00:18] have 20 on Yeah.
[1:00:20] >> I have two that are that are licensed
[1:00:22] and whatever, you know, shots and
[1:00:24] everything else. But anytime I leave the
[1:00:26] bowls out, there'll be more than that
[1:00:27] there.
[1:00:27] >> Yeah. That's that's a whole another
[1:00:29] situation of of things to talk about
[1:00:31] with that
[1:00:32] >> Boston. He's there every night.
[1:00:34] >> There you go. He's not yours. We won't
[1:00:36] regulate him.
[1:00:38] >> Had that downtown by the forest for
[1:00:40] years.
[1:00:41] >> Everybody good with that plan of action.
[1:00:43] We'll uh we'll get a sample ordinance
[1:00:45] drafted and we'll bring that back and we
[1:00:47] can uh fine-tune it at that point.
[1:00:50] >> Thank you.
[1:00:50] >> Get it ready to go.
[1:00:51] >> Excellent. Thank you guys.
[1:00:53] >> Thank you, Robert, for the help. Um,
[1:00:55] Robert, um, the very first, uh, the
[1:00:57] agreement with the county, I mean, is
[1:00:59] there something that we need to like So,
[1:01:01] like the administrator said there, I
[1:01:03] think it's something that that we visit
[1:01:05] with the the county with the sheriff and
[1:01:07] talk to him about what their plan is and
[1:01:09] what action they're going to take and
[1:01:11] uh, see if we can't, like I said, do an
[1:01:13] intergovernmental agreement or figure
[1:01:15] out what what their plan is and then go
[1:01:17] from there.
[1:01:20] >> Yeah, we should probably indify the
[1:01:22] county. I mean, if they're doing the
[1:01:23] services for free, we they probably
[1:01:25] should should have some protection. Um,
[1:01:28] if we're bringing animals there, you
[1:01:30] know, so there's there there's some
[1:01:31] benefit in for the county to have that
[1:01:34] [clears throat] in writing as well.
[1:01:35] >> County.
[1:01:36] >> Yeah.
[1:01:38] >> Wonderful. Okay. Thank you all for that
[1:01:40] discussion. Um, we'll move along to our
[1:01:42] second topic. Um, this is, uh, we do
[1:01:47] have an option to go into close session
[1:01:48] for this. It's regarding um, city
[1:01:51] administrators review.
[1:01:55] motion to close session.
[1:01:56] >> Is there going to be a second real
[1:01:59] estate question as well?
[1:02:01] >> There will uh in agenda item three. So
[1:02:05] we do both. We can close for both.
[1:02:07] >> Yes. Close for item two and three.
[1:02:10] >> Okay. So we're going to close for
[1:02:12] personnel and real estate.
[1:02:15] >> And by made the motion Amy seconded.
[1:02:18] >> Okay. And Pam, could you do a roll call,
[1:02:20] please? Alderman Stiger. Yes.
[1:02:22] >> Alderman Prince. Yes.
[1:02:23] >> Alderman. Alderman Haley.
[1:02:25] >> Yes.
[1:02:26] >> Alderman Donovan. Yes.
[1:02:27] >> Alderwoman Dos.
[1:02:28] >> Yes.
[1:02:28] >> Motion carries. 706.
[1:02:38] » Anything else to discuss at this time?
[1:02:43] >> Okay. If not, then we will adjourn.
[1:02:45] Thank you very much.