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Recording in progress,

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Good. Okay, do we have everybody? One, two, three, four. Yeah, that's it.

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Wow, this is it. Who's following? All right, everyone. We're going to get started today.

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This is the city of steamboat springs, regular city council meeting number 202616 Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026 at 5 p.m.

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Julie, would you honor us with roll call, please? Steve Mantine. Yeah. Yeah, Gary.

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John Augusta is absent, Dave Barnes. Yeah. Michael Baccino. Here. Amy Dixon. Here.

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And Brian Swinn Tech is absent. Okay, let's say the pledge of allegiance. There's a flag in the back.

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On up front, I pledge allegiance to the flag in the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Okay.

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We have a very packed agenda tonight and we are going to move into and to our liquor license authority in a second here.

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I just wanted to make a couple of announcements that we will have public comment tonight on items not on the agenda at around 6 p.m.

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Or prior to that, if we finish the city managers report.

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And then we will also have public item come in on items on the agenda as those items come up.

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So with that in mind, I would like to have a motion.

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For applicant, if you want to do. Yes, sorry for. Okay. We can do SSR. I don't see.

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Don't talk about SSR. All right, let's can we have a motion to adjourn from our regular meeting and reconvene for SSR.

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So moved.

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Okay, we have motion from Council of Gary, second by Council of Barnes, all those in favor say aye.

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Okay. So we will now reconvene as the steamboat springs redevelopment authority.

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And John, you are on for a resolution.

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Yes, John Snyder Public Works Director, the resolution under consideration tonight is to acknowledge appointments to the urban redevelopment authority advisory committee.

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These were vetted by council's interview team.

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So if there are questions about the interviews, I would encourage a questions to be directed towards those folks on the team.

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Otherwise, I will answer any other questions you might have.

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Okay, everybody has a copy of the people who are up for appointment as well as the others.

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Are there any questions for John on any of the candidates?

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If not, then I'll take a motion to approve the resolution appointing those five candidates to the Eureka.

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So moved.

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Okay, we have motion from Council of Gary.

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Second by Council of Dixon, all those in favor say aye.

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Opposed.

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Okay, motion passes five zero. Thank you, John.

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And we also have the minutes from our SSRA meeting to approve. You should have received those via email correctly.

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Yes.

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Does anybody have any questions on the minutes?

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And if not, if somebody would make a motion to approve those.

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Motion to approve.

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Okay, we've got a motion when Council of Barnes.

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Second by Council of Dixon.

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All those in favor.

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Sorry.

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That's fine.

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Let's work.

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Okay.

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So all those in favor say aye.

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Okay.

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Motion passes five zero.

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And that is the end of our SSRA meeting.

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So, last for a motion to adjourn from our SSR A meeting and reconvene to our liquor license authority meeting.

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So moved. Okay, we have a second by Council of Pogino, all those of favor say aye.

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Okay, we are now reconvene as the liquor license authority. Hello there.

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We're doing well. Thanks for joining us tonight.

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Okay. Can we use our, I didn't say that for SSR A, but we're good on roll call. Okay.

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So, this is a public hearing before the liquor license scene authority.

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The city of steamboat springs to determine whether or not the application of steamboat southwest ink to be located at 1760 Central Park Drive.

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We have steamboat springs Colorado for our hotel and restaurant liquor license should be granted or denied.

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The hearing is conducted in person into the laws of the state of Colorado and the rules of the local or the liquor license authority of the city of steamboat springs.

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The purpose of this hearing is to receive information data and testimony by interested parties in order to enable the city council to make findings and reach conclusions required to be made by state law.

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This is to whether or not the liquor license applied for should be issued.

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A record is being made of these proceedings so that those who desire to be heard must identify themselves by name and address.

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In arrested parties are residents of the neighborhood under consideration or owners or managers of any business located in the neighborhood.

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The neighborhood has preliminarily been established as follows. The relevant neighborhood is highway 40 corridor.

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Any challenges to members of council conducting this hearing must be stated at the onset of the hearing.

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The burden is upon the applicant to satisfy the council, not the reasonable requirements of the relevant neighborhood for this kind of license applied for are not presently being adequately satisfied.

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The burden is also upon the applicant to show the council that he she is a person of good moral character entitled to hold a liquor license.

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Okay, is the applicant ready to proceed.

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Okay, please come up and identify yourself for the record by giving your name and address.

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I think I know most of you Paul underwood. This is my business partner Ryan Fowler. You may be less familiar with him, but he's helping me in this endeavor.

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Okay, thank you. Raise your right hand, please.

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Do you swear that the testimony you're about to give before the council is the truth?

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Yes. Yes. Okay. Do you wish to make a statement regarding your liquor license application?

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Just a very brief one. First of all, thank you for inviting us here tonight.

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Secondly, I feel blessed in a couple of respects as it relates to this that I found my calling in life and I am able to pursue that calling and steamboats brings.

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So I'm here tonight to ask you respectfully to give me the opportunity to continue that calling and be a mentor to the youngsters in our community to help them be.

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Restaurant tours as well. Okay. Thank you Paul.

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Julie does a city have an exhibits to introduce. Yes, we have exhibits A through G documents required by the Colorado liquor enforcement division.

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Okay, is there any objection to the omission of the city's exhibits A through G?

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Julie does the applicant have an exhibits to introduce. Yes, they submitted a petition containing 37 signatures in support of the application, which is exhibit.

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Okay. Are there any objections to the omission of applicants exhibit D?

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Seeing none exhibit D shall be a minute. Are there any other interested parties who wish to be recognized?

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Either in the room or online.

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I don't see anyone.

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So with that at this time, the council may immediately make a decision, provide for public discussion of consideration of documents or testimony or table this matter.

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Any motion to approve or deny must contain findings and conclusions. The city attorney has prepared an outline of findings to assist in a motion to approve or deny.

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Or deny.

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So the with that, I will ask someone to make a motion either for the liquor license to be granted or denied.

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Okay. Okay. As a sound move approval of the liquor license.

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Okay. We have a motion by Councillor Gary to approve the liquor license. Do we have a second?

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We have a second from Councillor Barnes any discussion.

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If not, all those in favor say aye.

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We look forward to eating at your latest incarnation.

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What's heard any all there?

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Steve Outsouth West is our corporate name. The restaurant is.

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Alta Mesa Southwest Grill.

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Well, good luck. And when is opening night?

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Boy, that is a great question.

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As long as we're off the record.

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We're shooting for around the first to July.

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Good luck to both of you.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good.

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With that, we also need to approve the minutes from our last liquor license authority.

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Meaning on May 5th.

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Are there any questions?

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Comments to approve.

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Okay. We have a motion to approve the minutes from May 5th.

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Do we have a second?

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Second.

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A motion from Councillor Barnes.

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Second from Councillor Dixon.

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All those in favor of approving the minutes from May 5th.

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Say aye.

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Okay. Motion passes five zero.

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With that, I will entertain one more motion to adjourn from our liquor license authority and reconvene

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to our regular meeting tonight.

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Motion to adjourn.

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Second.

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Okay. We have a motion by Councillor Barnes.

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Second.

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All right. We're back to our regular meeting.

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And next on our agenda is we have a proclamation tonight.

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A proclamation recognizing June 2026 as LGBTQ plus Pride Month in steamboat Springs, Colorado.

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So, Councillor Dixon, and if you would like to come on down here, that would be great.

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And if you wouldn't mind just stating your name and address for the record.

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All right.

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My name is Kayden Hatfield, and I am a resident in Hayden, but I work for steamboat's queer features

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and steamboat Springs.

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Thank you.

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We probably need to move that microphone a little bit now.

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So I was just saying how honored I am to be able to read this proclamation tonight.

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And this work is really year round worked at champion, the rights and dignity for all.

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So thank you for all that you do.

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So the proclamation, a proclamation recognizing June 2026 as LGBTQ plus Pride Month in steamboat Springs, Colorado.

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Roughly one in 18 adults in United States, including one in six people between 18 and 23 years old,

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identifies lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, queer, intersects, a sexual, a romantic or other gender,

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and sexual minorities or LGBTQ plus.

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And this is a show that LGBTQ plus people are substantially more likely to experience discrimination, violence, sexual assault,

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and poverty than their cisgender and heterosexual peers.

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And LGBTQ plus youth are particularly vulnerable to bullying, homelessness, suicide, and other social ills.

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And regardless of the sexual orientation or gender identity, every person deserves to live openly, authentically, free from harm and discrimination,

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and the social stigma that continues to endanger the well-being of LGBTQ plus people must be eradicated to ensure that all members of our community can thrive together.

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And we pledge to celebrate all LGBTQ plus people and to foster a supportive environment that condemns any and all bias against the LGBTQ plus population.

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Therefore, be a proclaimed that the City of Steamboat Springs City Council joins with his partners to proclaim June 2026 as LGBTQ plus Pride Month.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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That was a type one.

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I was looking to get to know a lot.

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But if you want to listen to me.

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Well, hello and good evening Steamboat Springs City Council.

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Thank you so much for your consideration for this proclamation in recognition of June 2026 as LGBTQ IA to S plus Pride Month.

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As mentioned, my name is Canaan Hatfield.

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I go by he him pronouns and I am the program coordinator at queer futures, the LGBTQ IA to S plus resource center that serves community residents in Steamboat Springs and the F of Ally.

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I am also the chair of volunteers and entertainment committee, which is a volunteer led or of the Amp Valley Pride, which is a volunteer led organization that plans our local pride festivities.

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Pride Month is an opportunity to recognize the contributions and existence of the LGBTQ IA to S plus folks that reside in our community.

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If a chance for our leaders to affirm that every resident of Steamboat Springs deserves to feel safe.

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Welcome to Amvalued, where they live.

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As someone who has worked closely with and gotten to know the LGBTQ IA to S plus community in Steamboat Springs over the past year, I have seen first hand the difference that it makes especially for young people.

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When local leaders send the clear message that they belong here.

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We are all stronger when we are we and our neighbors can participate fully and authentically in our civic life.

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Recognizing Pride Month is one way we can celebrate and nurture the diversity that makes this beautiful town vibrant and special.

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We hope you can make it to the Amp Valley Pride Festival on June 13 from 12 to 4 in the Route County Historic Route County Courthouse Line and we hope to see you there.

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Thank you so much for your consideration.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay. Next on our agenda are city council reports.

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We would like to go first.

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Hello.

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I had the look so.

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So the only update is we have a year act meeting after our last SSRA meeting.

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And the conversation they were updated on where SSRA was directing.

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We have a meeting on Thursday of this week.

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And so I think we can report out.

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At our next city council meeting how that meeting goes.

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I worry that we may have to provide more direction to your rack.

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No, we may have to.

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At your next city council meeting.

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The seats are barren see your president as well.

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There seems to be still a lot of someplace to surround the outdoor snowmout.

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When that's not the direction ski core or the city like that's not even part of the conversation.

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We'll see how Thursday goes but I may come back and ask SSLAM that well, see how that works.

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The SSRA or council to help provide more direction for the group.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Thank you. That was it. Okay. Well, as a report. Just a quick update that I think that will be meeting with postmaster tomorrow morning to continue the conversation about cluster boxes and old town. So just kind of an announcement to everybody in old town that, you know, this is under kind of discussion and consideration moving forward. So we'll keep you posted on what progress is made.

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Good. Thank you.

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Count to the Barnes anything from you?

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Count to let Puccino anything from you?

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Let's see. No. Nothing major.

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I do want to apologize to our staff. I'm in jail. I've missed the house and he'll use a group meeting yesterday.

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I came up on my screen at four o'clock and it was, I'm in the east coast right now and I thought it was six o'clock your time. Anyway, I'm going to forward you guys over the minutes from our conversation today that I got from Brad Center.

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But I did not make that meeting yesterday, but other than that, I have no report.

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Okay. Thank you. I just have a couple of things to update everybody on. The first farmer's market is this Saturday June six myself and right now, Council of Brachino.

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I believe are going to be there.

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And we do have a nice board that was created by Mike, which is really nice that will have and some other stuff. So we look forward to that.

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We also had the you bear dance celebration and proclamation last week. Thank you Kelly for all your hard work on that. I don't know how many people there.

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What a couple hundred. Yeah, something like that. So learned a new dance step there. So that was that was fun.

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And we also had the ribbon cutting a cotton woods last week the same day just earlier in the day and there was good attendance there as well as some people have already moved in there. So that's that's exciting.

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Also just to update you on a couple things. I was at the Main Street steamboat meeting this morning and most of the business owners are saying may was a little

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In terms of visitor volume. They're not quite sure on the revenue side of things, but they said that the volume of visitors was a bit light. As far as the bid is concerned, you remember we authorized them to see if there was interest in that. They have four people who are interested in being on that board. They're trying to get any five. So if they get a fifth one, they'll be back to us with that.

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And the final thing is on the winter parking program. You know, we had another meeting last week, and as most of you had meeting with the altera VP of community development, I believe most of you met with her.

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And so next week we have another meeting on this, and maybe it ties in a little bit with your talking about too, but.

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And it's hope that this is our last meeting. This will be our fourth meeting next week. And so we hope to come to council after that with whatever options have been identified and agreed upon. So we'll see how that goes.

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Was that VP at the of altera at your. No, okay.

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She had meetings with, I think, with council of bacino, council of barns. We met with with Tom with her. And I think councilor Schwintek also met and I'm not sure. I think councilor goes to do.

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I have a meeting tomorrow with them. Okay, yeah.

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So she's met with everyone and except you.

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But it was separate.

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Yeah. So with that, any questions from anyone on anything?

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I think I only just wanted to comment. I guess the council of barns and the councilor Dixon regarding your comment about SSRA.

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And I mean, I would think right, maybe if we could get councils agreement that I would hope I would hate to waste another meeting of SSRA.

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Right. So I, I would hope that you guys would come out strong in terms of the fact that SSRA needs to move on and that.

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Snowmelt should not be part of the discussion any longer.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, we'll see how the services goes.

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Okay. Thank you for that.

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Okay. We're going to move on and we have two other items under here to a and to be to a city council housing subcommittee.

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You all should have have received a copy of that from Brad and I just want to draw your attention to one thing because councilor Swintek and I meet with Brad and Tom and Kelly and Rebecca and whatnot and gates on just kind of filtering through and vetting some things before they move on to the ad hoc committee and one of the things that came up was this request.

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That is for

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If you look down here, it'll it says that the well if you're on page two a one, it'll say,

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Should City should staff encourage Gorman and company to submit a request for funds.

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And this is for a project Prairie run in Hayden and in the past city council is previously directed staff that projects located in Rao County are eligible for STR tax funds.

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And however, these locations have viewed as a lowest priority. In other words, we start with the city and the urban growth boundary.

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Go to the YVHA service area in the rest of Rao County. So before we get the ad hoc committee subcommittee working on this and spending too much energy on this.

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We just want to make sure that everyone is okay with starting at discussion about utilizing STR funds in Hayden and obviously that also opens up to the rest of Rao County.

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Such as Oak Creek or Yampo or whatever, so just want to throw that out there.

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Consular Swintek and I supported bringing this to you all because we think that that's the way the STR language is red.

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It's the region, right, Dan the entire Yampavalley.

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The bell question itself doesn't address any geographic constraints, but the recitals of the ordinance that refer to the bell question.

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Do you talk about regional impacts and talk about the Yampavalley community, so I think it's safe to say that you can you can use the funds outside of sea limits.

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So I just opened it up to anybody's opinion on this.

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I guess I had a I have a question right, I mean to the extent that is there a way to tie it back or basically to say that the amount of you know the fund that there does have to be.

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Some sort of requirement that anybody who lives there works in steamboat.

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Sure, I think you can attach any kind of reasonable condition that you want to grant the funds and that could include the terms of the deed restriction or use covenant the governance the units.

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Yeah, I think that that gets into, I mean obviously there's a number of people in Hayden who work in steamboat, but they could also work in Craig for that matter.

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And so then you're into how do you determine.

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The STR allocation upfront.

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With that in mind.

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I believe it's a slippery slope to start.

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Given STR funds not just out of our city, but also to projects has already been developed.

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I think it's especially a affordable project. It just feels like.

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There could be a stand new way to say the circumstances going on where we have an over supply of product and people are looking to lower the rent.

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And it just seems like we have a whole lot of these requests coming into pipeline and I think we have to be super careful.

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While we do want to increase the supply of de-restricted houses, we don't want to bail out developers nor looking like we bail out developers.

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I don't know any of the financial of the capital stack that Gorman has in that project.

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I mean, could be worth looking at, but I think it's outside of our district, at least in my mind.

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And I think the voters would would have a hard time looking outside of the city with city tax hours that are collected.

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Okay.

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I have a point. Thank you.

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And Dave, I kind of agree, but I kind of don't. I think that.

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You know, part of the impact of steamboat springs and the rentals that are created in the sales tax run all that's being created is directly corresponds to our need for workforce housing.

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And as much as I loved your comment saying we would have an over the abundance or a product.

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That hasn't happened for a few years.

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And so I want to encourage us to allow our ad hoc to look at this.

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We don't know what the bill is or the opportunity is for this prairie run, but I think we can at least look at it in that same hierarchy that you've ordered determined.

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I think that hierarchy is very justified, but we want to look at every project.

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It was brought up during their RTA formation committee that what would it take to help Craig get part of, you know, supporting the RTA as they were trying to build housing in Craig.

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It was brought up that, you know, they feel that steamboat is their impact because all their workforce does have to come this way.

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And it was brought up that hey, what happens if we can, you know, help subsidize some of their housing to offset some of the impacts they're having.

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I don't know what it would look like in the future, but I think that we've been remiss if we didn't include those impacts to our neighbor and community and consider it all yamp of value.

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Okay, thank you.

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And I was just going to add, I mean, thank you, Councillor Barnes, or pointing that out. I absolutely agree with you from the perspective of the developers coming back in terms of projects that are already completed in terms of looking for additional funding or subsidization.

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And then also concur that my, you know, my preference would be that we spend the money on housing here in steamboat.

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Absolutely in the sense that that's, you know, I think what we want to do to the extent that, you know, one of the things we heard is people are concerned about our community character, our neighborhoods.

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You know, and we know that we have an exodus of the of the vital people members of our community that we want to make sure that they stay here and we don't want to contribute to the traffic problems on highway 40.

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So in terms of prioritization, I mean, that's where I land.

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Yeah, and I appreciate Michael your responses.

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I guess I feel like we should at least ask the voter whether they would want to go outside of city limits with those funds.

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Okay, Councillor Dixon.

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I agree with both Councillor Barnes and Councillor Gary.

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And we have actually had a developer who could not rent their units that access this year.

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And I know that because I was watching their vacancy rates.

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So yeah, I don't want any perception that we're somehow subsidizing developers.

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So I prefer to make sure that we can meet all of our goals that we have for the city for housing.

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And then possibly look outside, but Councillor Gary's point with Kathy out of working in steamboat.

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Because that's what we heard from folks is that people could not hire staff or workers because there's no place for them to live.

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Well, if we take out the notion that we're subsidizing developers here who can sell their product and move away from that for a minute.

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Then the real question is, do we evaluate these opportunities within Rao County outside of the city of steamboat?

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Understanding that we have a prioritization matrix, or are we which would prioritize within the city limits for example first.

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And do we want to at least investigate or leave that open or do we want to say that under no circumstances would we want to go outside either the city limits or the UGB or whatever.

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So I think that's really because it's very hard to say, you know, if it's all the money allocated well it might not be allocated today it might be allocated two years or no I don't know I guess what I'm trying to.

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Yeah, it gives some direction to Brad and whatnot around is should this still go forward though under those guidelines.

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I would ask Brad if their staff has the bandwidth to look at all these projects and can they self prioritize.

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Well, Brad.

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This is we haven't gotten very many of these requests so.

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Even everyone Brad covered in the planning department in general council of orange yes we mean these things come in at a relatively reasonable pace.

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We are typically seeing one or two new applications that then sort of kicks off the evaluation process so it's not like there tends to be a crunch where we're at we're sitting on six applications and then I've got a schedule three meetings there there's a relatively sort of smooth curve here in terms of when the applications flow in.

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So and you know to to the earlier conversation.

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You know the general expectation of is that if they were if they were the worthwhile application walks in the door we should review it but obviously the question before you all is if you really sort of want to have.

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Provide guidance that that that third tier priority area outside of the housing authorities services for just simply isn't really a priority.

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The president means a point I want to save the applicant time I want to save the ad hoc committee time.

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Because it seems like if it's going to find its way to you all and may not result in an appropriation I think everybody would prefer to have that answer versus the the old long maybe which no one likes that's the just of it.

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I'm not opposed to looking into it but.

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I have reservations which I stated but I don't.

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Opposed looking into it.

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Well it are we saying that it's a tier three priority but it's worth giving to the ad hoc committee and getting a recommendation on it or or not I to Brad's point I don't want to do it if we're going to say no automatically without having.

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At least an open mind we don't know how much it is or what the am I mean we really don't have any information.

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I think Gorman has a good track record for delivering affordable housing community right.

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Yes yes.

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Okay so.

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I mean it's a bit of a chicken in an egg right I mean in the sense of I totally respect not wanting anybody to spend resources on something that's a hard no I don't I think we're not hearing potentially that there's a hard.

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No up here but I do believe that given what we know is in the pipeline.

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I've it with potentially slight creek neighborhood potentially Campbell you know in terms of the rainbow that came in of all the other projects that we're anticipating.

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I don't know that I see it I you know it's definitely that third tier.

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Okay so you know since we haven't gotten this is our really first discussion on this.

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I think.

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What I would like to suggest that if you're all open to it is that we consider this.

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Send it to the ad hoc committee we're very familiar with a developer and what a good job.

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They've done in the community and then once we get that information that maybe that can set us up for a better discussion about where we want to go in the future as well.

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Is that okay.

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Michael.

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You're okay.

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With that, you're on me. Sounds good. We go with that on for. Yes? Okay. All right. Second thing on here is I believe

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Gail or Dave, a little bit on the tentative of upcoming agendas for this. I'm sorry. Before we move off from the subcommittee, one request.

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Maybe this happens. I don't want to go into discussion about it. But I see we have some large organizations on the list, possibly inquiring.

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I think we have some other choir financials from these organizations when they're requesting STR funds. And if not, again, I have to answer tonight. But if not, I think it'd be worth having a conversation, any grant that organizations apply for.

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They have to submit financials, usually. So I think that would be a worthwhile conversation to have it your subcommittee meeting.

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But as you see, health is on here. The ski corps has ever to come back.

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I think most of these things, Brad, correct me if I'm wrong, Brad, but most of these come with financials attached to them.

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That's correct, again, Brad. I got a planning department. And we are working with our financial services partner to stand up that standardized underwriting process.

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So all of those basic requirements in terms of expectations of information provided to us will be sort of hammered out over the next couple of months.

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We have some of the president's point, typically we see project level, performa details, as well as financial statements related to particularly sort of community partners that are applying for funds.

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So I am not asking for financials on the project and what like AMI and the financials of that, I'm asking for financials of the organization.

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We are typically requesting both. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Thanks, Brad.

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And then kind of one more question on this again, really appreciate the memos that we're getting now in terms of reporting out on the housing subcommittee.

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I think this is a great step in the right direction in terms of informing council about kind of what actions are being taken.

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It might be good in some instances, Brad, to have a little more detail. I mean, you know, for example, and again, we can follow up with this at a later date.

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But item four, where we're talking about staff, you know, was directed not to introduce duration of retirement limitations for individuals that qualify as retired.

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I'd love to understand that better. So again, I know we've got a busy full agenda for this evening, but I'll.

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Maybe follow up on that one.

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We will follow up on that one. Okay. Thank you.

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The rationale on what that is. Okay. Perfect.

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All right. Thank you for that.

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Are you up next on the, or are you going to talk about the.

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Oh, sure. I think we're in committee. Yeah, I think what we just want to call out is that in the packet is the agenda for the next slate.

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Slight Creek neighborhood meeting, which happens on I think it's the 17th and the 18th.

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So take a look at the agenda and we do have a meeting on the Tuesday night before.

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So I think we can have a more detailed conversation at that point. Hopefully the materials will be out in advance of those meetings. So everybody on council has the opportunity to look at the.

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And then bring forth any sort of questions or comments that you have.

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Okay. So we also have community builders what their timeline is or what how far they see this process going because I think we got a lot of that sort of comments.

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Why you know when this with this phase would be over.

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We ask them for that for next Tuesday's meeting.

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I think the intent is that the June meetings are the last.

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So I think there is absolutely to your point a conversation about what's next, right? I mean, I think this sets a foundation for what net what's next, but how do we move forward.

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I still talking about July as a possibility having another set of meetings.

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I believe the understanding is that the 17th and 18th of the last two meetings and that's why we're developing the timeline miles challenge for annexation to carry that forward.

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Some way, but this process in terms of identifying the next steps is concluded in June.

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Okay. Any other questions?

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All right, we'll move on and quickly we'll go through agenda review here.

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The next meeting is June 9th.

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We do have a regular meeting scheduled up front of that.

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And we're going to adopt the 2026 2027 City Council goals.

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And we're going to get a strategic plan update at that point in time.

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And then we will also have City 101 participant recognition from that last class.

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So that'll happen at five o'clock and then about an hour later.

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When we'll move into our work session, you can see that.

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We have three topics on there, our housing needs assessment and housing action plan.

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The steam bus brings downtown plan review and community design standards update.

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Any questions on those?

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Okay, June 16th.

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So regular meeting on June 16th will also have a liquor license authority meeting to kick things off.

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And then under community reports, we're going to have both Senator Roberts and representative Luke and Sir to give us a letter.

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To give us a letter legislative update, a wrap up of the session that was just completed.

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And so that should be interesting.

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And then we will get an update from Kelly on the stock bridge housing project update.

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Which just so we know that is the name of this now stock bridge.

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So we don't have to call a Campbell or CDOT or what is called stock bridge.

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And steam will for all is also going to come in and give us an update on what they're all about and what they're doing.

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And then you can see we are also going to have the chief theater development plan on that night as well.

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And you can see a number of second readings.

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Any questions on that one?

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Okay.

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July 7th.

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I hate to go to July already when it's June 2nd.

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But anyway.

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Did you have something council addiction?

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Well, July 7th.

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If you look at that, you will see that again.

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We have a number of resolutions.

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Some new stuff, including the Voodoo water ramp jump complex, which will be fun to talk about over at the mountain.

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And the Western Resilience Center is going to be also having a development plan.

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And you can see some other ones, some flat stuff and whatnot.

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The waste volume base pricing is going to be pulled from that agenda.

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That's going to be later on.

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And you can see what else is on there.

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00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:23,840
And then finally, on July 14th, we have a work session.

404
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,840
We have three topics, multimodal transportation initiatives update, physical sustainability,

405
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,840
and the marijuana local production requirement.

406
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Any questions on any of those?

407
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:39,840
Okay.

408
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:45,840
With that in mind, then I think we have enough time time to go through the City Manager report.

409
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,840
The floor public comment.

410
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:48,840
Thank you.

411
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,840
President Monteen.

412
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:52,840
City managers report.

413
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,840
As a reminder to the community, can be found on our website,

414
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:57,840
demotesbrings.net.

415
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,840
And just scroll down to City Manager report.

416
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:04,840
Tonight's report is on there, as well as all the previous city managers report.

417
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:14,840
Also, just a reminder for folks that we have sort of reformatted this report to be consistent with our strategic plan in the outcome.

418
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:20,840
So you will see that the report is is organized by the outcome areas identified in our strategic plan.

419
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,840
So starting off with thriving community.

420
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:31,840
As the mentioned stock bridge project is moving forward, we did close on the Campbell property at the end of April,

421
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:37,840
which really takes the first step in completing the land bank for this future campus development.

422
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,840
Next, the city will work to complete due diligence on the remaining two C dot parcels.

423
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,840
Closing on the C dot parcels should occur in the third or fourth quarter of this year.

424
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:53,840
And in the meantime, the city issued a request for proposal for an overall development plan on May 12.

425
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,840
We have had it says 150.

426
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:01,840
I think the numbers actually have to about 200 firms now that have downloaded that RFP from BidNet.

427
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,840
And the proposals are due next week, June 11th.

428
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:12,840
So we will be working on to formalize both an internal staff working group as well as an advisory committee to assist with the project over the next several months.

429
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:17,840
And we are providing a detailed update to you on that on June 16th.

430
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:24,840
City Council approved the fundraising agreement supporting the second sheet of ice at the house on ice reiner.

431
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:28,840
This is a major milestone for this long standing community priority.

432
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:34,840
Following council's action, the RFP for a design built contractor was posted with targeted contract award at the end of June.

433
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,840
So glad to see that project continued to move forward.

434
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:46,840
Under connected and engaged community, there's a lot of information on all of our website in social media activity as well as the city's new city connection newsletter.

435
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,840
Which is sort of an outcome of this city manager report.

436
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:58,840
We're putting it into a newsletter that can be subscribed to and I'll just go right to your email, whoever's interested in.

437
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,840
And you can sign up online as well for that.

438
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,840
Seema Thring's police department sergeants.

439
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:17,840
Puccino Shirley and Andrews detective Barnett and she far back at attended the annual mother's against track dunk driving sea dot, which is the College Department of Transportation award ceremony.

440
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:26,840
We're sergeant Puccino was awarded the Andrew Dwarthe person of impact award for his combating DUIs and substance related crimes in the yampe valley.

441
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,840
So, a very good award for Mr. Puccino.

442
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:36,840
So, thank you for your efforts in that and glad to see them get the Cudos and acclades that he deserves.

443
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:41,840
A lot of info on all of the steamboat Springs Police Department outreach efforts.

444
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:51,840
It also included the community service officers partnering with Rout County riders participating in several street smart bike safety events at local schools.

445
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:59,840
So we are continuing to try to educate folks about being safe on their bikes of all types.

446
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:06,840
So glad to see that that is continuing. I know that that is a priority of this council to get the word out.

447
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:13,840
In healthy environment, we did do a spring tree to reach a thing event on Friday May 15th.

448
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:19,840
May it about 150 vehicles passed through the metals parking lot, bringing tree limbs, leaves and twigs.

449
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:30,840
And the steamboat springs wildly and fire crew as well as parks and wrecks seasonal staff assisted by shipping all the debris creating about 90 cubic yards of wood chips to be used in local composting programs.

450
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:38,840
So glad to see that effort letting people kind of clear out their gardens and debris and turning that into a positive use.

451
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:52,840
The first video in the city's water wise series launched highlighting how parks and wrecks uses smart irrigation technology to monitor and reduce water uses efficiently during ongoing state to drought conditions.

452
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:59,840
If you have not seen this, it's to short video, but it's very informative and it can be found on the city's YouTube site.

453
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:10,840
So I recommend people going to look at that. It's actually a great little video and is a very telling on on the efforts that we're using to conserve our water and our parks.

454
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:22,840
Under high performing government facilities staff are advancing both short and long term planning efforts to address city wide workspace operational growth and facility safety needs.

455
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:36,840
This includes looking at the new public work building the mountain fire station, the police department operational growth and future building needs transit operations center needs tied to fleet expansion and staffing growth and ongoing evaluation of parks and wrecks.

456
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:51,840
So I just note that because as the community continues to grow and expand so does the city organization and kudos to facilities and staff for really being proactive and looking at all of our facilities needs so appreciate that.

457
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:57,840
The HR and risk team is excited to launch steamboat learning.

458
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:03,840
It's an internally later in June to provide training contacts across various topics.

459
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:16,840
Steamboat Springs employees training courses will span across compliance leadership and development safety and even include an AI coach to equipment employees with conversations guidance in a variety of situations.

460
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:25,840
This is a this has been a goal of ours for a while really to advance comes sort of training of employees and providing a large.

461
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:34,840
Number over a thousand videos that can be watched training modules that can be watched so kudos to that team that has been a big effort between.

462
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:42,840
IT and HR. So really really good efforts to see that move for so congratulations.

463
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:56,840
Under safe community the fire department received delivery of the 2023 Rosenbauer type one engines some of you may have seen this driving around town is kind of a sleek looking modern looking fire engine.

464
00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:02,840
It's pretty cool looking the crews are working hard to get trained on the apparatus as well as equipment with all the necessary equipment.

465
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:10,840
The department expects to have an official ceremony sometime here soon to celebrate it's arrival as well as the return of ladder truck 62.

466
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:19,840
So we will let you know on that they call it a some sort of like pushing in they push actually push the thing into the apparatus bay and it's kind of a ceremony.

467
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:28,840
We will invite you to that and it's got a really cool looking truck so keep your eyes open for that you will not be able to miss it it's very distinct looking.

468
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:42,840
The procurement team worked with the fire department to renew the classic air care contract for ground ambulance ambulant services including inter facility transfers because of our remote location and mountain weather.

469
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Often limit air medical transport this contract ensures reliable ground transportation for critically ill or injured patients when air transport isn't possible so.

470
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,840
Just to the team for being proactive and making sure we have that ability since we are.

471
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,840
Along ways for many sort of major.

472
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,680
The hospitals are in the Epivalent Medical Center. Under reliable and resilient infrastructure, the contract for vegetation removal and spillway maintenance at the fish creek reservoir system is currently progressing through procurement. This work is essential to maintain dam safety and structural integrity, and includes removing woody vegetation from embankments, clearing spillways and rebuilding the emergency spillway log structure at Long Lake, and there will be crews will be disrupting natural water flow. We'll try to avoid disrupting natural water flow.

473
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:45,680
And larger cheese will be carefully reclocated within nearby forest areas. I bring that up because it's just an example of the extent of work that we do with the city and extends all the way up on top of our past for our water, our water system. So I'm glad to see that moving forward.

474
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:56,680
That concludes my report other than the list of upcoming meetings and events for yours and the community's information, and I am happy to answer any questions.

475
01:00:56,680 --> 01:01:02,680
Thank you, Tom. Any questions for Tom?

476
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:14,680
Yes, one question, Tom. I was not able to attend the meeting where Alicia presented the survey results.

477
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:22,680
The Western resilience meeting, sorry, let me find it. Yeah, I'm talking about.

478
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:29,680
Is she able to send that out to council?

479
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,680
She being Michelle Stewart, is that what you're asking?

480
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,680
Sorry, Alicia.

481
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:37,680
Well, Alicia for me, I don't even find it.

482
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:39,680
Yes, I know you're referring to.

483
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,680
Yes, we can get the results from that and send that out to council.

484
01:01:44,680 --> 01:01:47,680
Okay. Thank you. Sorry, that was really.

485
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:51,680
I'm not clear, but you know what I'm talking about.

486
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,680
Yeah, and those weren't presented during that meeting.

487
01:01:54,680 --> 01:02:00,680
So, right during the community report, we're during the community meeting meeting so.

488
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:02,680
We'll get that out.

489
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,680
That would be good to have those survey results.

490
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,680
Okay. Other questions?

491
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:10,680
All right. Thank you, Tom.

492
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:16,680
And before we go to your other report, Tom, I'm going to open it up for public comment.

493
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:23,680
And city council will make no decision or take any action accepted direct the city manager.

494
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,680
This public comment is open for all items that are not on the agenda for tonight.

495
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,680
And those addressing city council are requested to identify themselves by name and address.

496
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,680
And please take no longer than three minutes.

497
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,680
So with that, is there anybody?

498
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:40,680
What?

499
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:42,680
And I just asked for a point of clarification.

500
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,680
I had received some inquiries.

501
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:49,680
And I don't know if anybody will, but if there's anybody here to testify or provide public comment on the slight

502
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:57,680
Creek and straight analysis that Dan, you said that would now would be the time to do that, right?

503
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:03,680
Yes, public comment on staff report matters are taking the general public comment.

504
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:10,680
Yes. So if you're here to comment on the constraint analysis, which will be coming up next.

505
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,680
Now is the time.

506
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:14,680
So with that.

507
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,680
Bill, come on down.

508
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,680
Bill pass 18 to 7500 strive.

509
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,680
I'm here tonight to talk about the report that hasn't been discussed yet.

510
01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:29,680
We'll be discussed next.

511
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:39,680
Regarding the drinking water, the 400 EQR amount that we've been using is the acceptable amount that we can provide to the West team boat.

512
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:49,680
And that we're spending considerable amount of money to improve infrastructure so that we can supply that amount of water to the West side of town.

513
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:54,680
I want to talk about water in general for a moment.

514
01:03:54,680 --> 01:04:02,680
You know, currently we're under a stage two drought restrictions and you know, we've done a lot.

515
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:09,680
There was a report done back in December of this past year that was presented to council about from the Plumber organization.

516
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:22,680
And in it, they said that the safe conservative risk-free amount of water that the city could plan for is a 2.8 million gallons per day.

517
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,680
That comes out of the wells in the event of a fire.

518
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:36,680
And the amount that we had, the current amount being used in that same report was about 2.65 million.

519
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:50,680
So we're about 150,000 gallons a day away from what would be considered the maximum amount of water we could use safely without in the event of a fire in the fish creek area.

520
01:04:50,680 --> 01:05:05,680
So my question is, in that same report, they were like years one through four in your years five through ten amount of allocation of the water commercial sites as well as affordable housing sites.

521
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:13,680
And if you just look at the years one through four, we've already consumed that 150,000 gallons in current projects.

522
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:26,680
You know, the stopman is 300 EQR, 305 EQR. You're talking about 400 for the West side. So do we build a stopman or do we build affordable housing?

523
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:33,680
Do we, what is the absolute safe amount of water that we have to consume here in the city?

524
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:38,680
Is it the 2.8 million gallons a day and do we not exceed that?

525
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,680
The city council at some point put a halt to construction.

526
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:54,680
And if it's going to exceed that amount of water or are they going to go, well, you know, we'll be okay.

527
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:08,680
Well, there's the questions I won't counsel to ask themselves. I would like the city to really define what they consider to be a safe amount of water to consume for the city.

528
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,680
So that we know what to shoot for and we know who we've gone over.

529
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:13,680
Thank you.

530
01:06:13,680 --> 01:06:19,680
Thank you, Bill. And we will have more discussion on that bill before the night is over.

531
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:27,680
In fact, in a very short period of time, is there anybody else on the in the audience who'd like to make a public comment tonight?

532
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:32,680
John.

533
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,680
Good evening. I'm John Tomasini.

534
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,680
I live on Mark Twain Lane.

535
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:48,680
And it's a very interesting progression of being able to speak behind you because what you have

536
01:06:48,680 --> 01:07:00,680
to say is very important in the future of what I am trying to address for those of the people behind me that don't know me.

537
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:07,680
I was Mary Brown's husband until eight years ago. So I'm going to put that up in front.

538
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:15,680
She served this community and never quit serving this community.

539
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:44,680
I'm a little bit distressed as the community is from the feedback that I'm getting that after employing two consulting groups with taxpayers money to try and develop brown ranch that you would possibly consider renaming at slate creek ranch.

540
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:52,680
And I might add, slate creek, if I'm not mistaken, is the water that passes through the property.

541
01:07:52,680 --> 01:08:04,680
And I just want you all to know that when that property was sold, Steve Brown donated the water rates, which are the senior water rates of slate creek to the city.

542
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:17,680
And if you put a valuation on that today in the real estate market, water usually equals at least half the value of the property, that's at stake.

543
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:23,680
So I just want to put that out because you don't have that history. You don't know that history.

544
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:35,680
But if you look into the archives of what the Brown's did for this city, I think you should really reconsider keeping the brown ranch going forward.

545
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:51,680
Plus from a marketing standpoint to abandon the brand brown ranch, you're going backwards 20 years in funding and in a progress of maybe breaking dirt on this someday.

546
01:08:51,680 --> 01:09:09,680
I think you should jet-ass in both of your consulting groups and take the money that you're paying them for job security and put it into going back to Mr. Peter Patton's master plan and the people that worked with him.

547
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:18,680
You can contact some of these people with a lot less of the budget that you're spending on consulting groups.

548
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:44,680
When you have a master plan that shows density up to well over 2000 units and I suggest to you that when you contact these people who were the developers of the master plan that you cut this density back to 800 units total.

549
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:50,680
And then bring in your mixed use development of commercial and fire departments and waters.

550
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:57,680
What waters is huge and I think you verified that tonight.

551
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,680
Where are we going to get the water for 2000 units?

552
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:02,680
Is going to happen.

553
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:12,680
So please consider reevaluating your budget and where that money is being spent because it's all of our money.

554
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:17,680
Everybody in this room, everybody in this community and everybody sitting in front of me.

555
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,680
It's your tax dollars we're spending.

556
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,680
And you know why you're getting nowhere.

557
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,680
You're going backwards 20 years.

558
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,680
Thank you.

559
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:27,680
Thank you, John.

560
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:32,680
Is there anyone else in the room or is there anyone online?

561
01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:36,680
Please raise your hand or come on down.

562
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,680
Seeing nobody in the audience.

563
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,680
Nobody online.

564
01:10:42,680 --> 01:10:44,680
We will close public.

565
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:45,680
There's no plans up.

566
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:46,680
There is.

567
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,680
Yeah.

568
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,680
You know what we're not seeing them on our screen.

569
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:51,680
So like, Elliot Lawrence.

570
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:52,680
I'll just hand out, Elliot.

571
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:56,680
Why don't you, can you unmute Elliot?

572
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:57,680
Yep.

573
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:58,680
Sorry.

574
01:10:58,680 --> 01:10:59,680
We didn't see you on our screen here.

575
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:00,680
That's all right.

576
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,680
Good evening.

577
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,680
I just wanted to take a few minutes and.

578
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:12,680
Talk a little bit about our ribbon cutting ceremony last week at the cotton woods.

579
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:17,680
I also would like to just say thank you to.

580
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:23,680
The city counselors that were there at the event and and who attended it.

581
01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:27,680
Also an invitation to anyone who hasn't seen the project yet.

582
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:31,680
Cotton woods to reach out to us here at the housing authority.

583
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:36,680
We would be happy to set up a time and and give a tour.

584
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:37,680
I know.

585
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,680
Councillor Baccino is expressed interest in that so.

586
01:11:41,680 --> 01:11:44,680
Would be happy to get that set up for him.

587
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,680
It was just a really great event.

588
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,680
Getting to see owners move in as we were having.

589
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,680
The ribbon cutting ceremony there.

590
01:11:54,680 --> 01:11:57,680
And I just also wanted to highlight.

591
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:02,680
The relationship here again with the city and the housing authority.

592
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:14,680
And just how critical the 10 million dollars in the STR grant that the city gave the cotton woods project was in.

593
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:22,680
Allowing that to be a successful affordable project for our workforce here in town.

594
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:27,680
It's been tremendously rewarding and end up really.

595
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:33,680
Great pleasure to see all of these new owners moving into the cotton woods to.

596
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:41,680
Just see that joy on their face and the excitement when we make a phone call after they've won a unit in the lottery.

597
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:49,680
And anyway, that a lot of that has to do with the work that that we've done kind of collaboratively here on this project.

598
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:54,680
So I wanted to just highlight that as part of this public comment.

599
01:12:54,680 --> 01:13:03,680
And and also that a lot of the people that are purchasing at the cotton woods are below the 100% AMI level.

600
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:14,680
And a lot of that has to do with the STR grant that that you folks there in city council gave to the project.

601
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:19,680
And just a couple little updates on sales.

602
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:26,680
We finished up our last lotteries for the 130 and 140% AMI units last week.

603
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:37,680
So still sorting through some of that and working with owner or new owners on picking out the unit that they'd like to that they'd like to purchase.

604
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,680
And as of last Friday we've had 19 closings.

605
01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,680
We have four more closing scheduled for this week.

606
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:56,680
We currently have 24 units under contract with a total of $8.5 million in sales so far.

607
01:13:56,680 --> 01:14:02,680
And just a quick thing about the the buyer pull if you will.

608
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,680
99% of our buyers are first time home buyers.

609
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:19,680
So this is a truly a meaningful project and home ownership opportunity for our workforce here in steamboat and route county.

610
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:23,680
And then just from a demographics perspective.

611
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:31,680
You know we have school district employees as first time home buyers.

612
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:35,680
And employees who work in the health care field.

613
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,680
That work for the resort.

614
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,680
That also work for in retail non profit.

615
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:45,680
Hospitality work for the county.

616
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,680
The city.

617
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:56,680
Work in finance and construction so that gives you a little bit of an idea of the background of the people who are purchasing at the cotton woods.

618
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,680
So anyway, I just wanted to jump.

619
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:26,000
And again, say thank you for the partnership and thanks for supporting this project with STR dollars. And yeah, looking forward to working collaboratively in the future with the city on slate creek and any other project that may come our way. So just want to say thank you for that.

620
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Thank you, Elliot. Appreciate that. Bill, can you unmute and state your name and address, please?

621
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Bill Jamison, Berges Creek Road. Can you hear me? I can hear you, Bill. We can't see you, but we can hear you.

622
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:55,000
Yeah, excellent. Good evening. Well, I'd like to talk about your water report and update. It should be no surprise. This number hasn't changed in the last few years.

623
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:03,000
It's 400 EQRs. I don't know what the surprise is.

624
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:22,000
It was that number on the last annexation. It was probably the last number before all based on the additional infrastructure to be added to even supply that amount west of the Alp River Road.

625
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:38,000
The real question is, is it really that number when you take into effect account the, what's it called overlook or what it used to be the overlook project?

626
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:48,000
If those home sites are coming out of that 400 EQR, there's substantially less than 400.

627
01:16:49,000 --> 01:17:05,000
So, I don't know why somebody would present a plan for 2000 units of maybe 1500 EQRs when there's no ability to service them with water.

628
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:27,000
And the cost of an Alp River treatment plant is only going up. As I recall some months ago, the city manager and staff is supposed to be presenting a report as to what if the area west of steamboat to be next isn't going to pay for that Alp River treatment plant.

629
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:33,000
What the cost is to the current rate pairs in the city.

630
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:40,000
And if what portion of that is going to be put to the rate pairs of mountain water water.

631
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:52,000
This is this proposed annexation, if it ever comes, is just looking uglier and uglier from a financial point of view.

632
01:17:52,000 --> 01:18:08,000
So, I think it's time to take a serious pause as to when the city can actually service anything west of their current boundaries.

633
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:10,000
Thank you.

634
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:14,000
Thank you Bill. Is there anyone else online?

635
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:19,000
I don't think I see anyone. Anybody in the audience?

636
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Okay, with that we'll close public comment and I just want to summarize a couple things.

637
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:33,000
I know we're going to move into the constraint analysis and that's going to get into a lot of discussion on this water thing.

638
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:43,000
But I think a couple things here is that no one is advocating 2,000 units out of Brown Ranch or 1,500 units out of Brown Ranch.

639
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:52,000
In fact, the discussion has been far smaller to see if we could possibly do something maybe in the 200, 300 type of range.

640
01:18:52,000 --> 01:19:07,000
So there has been absolutely no discussion about that and that discussion about 200, 300 or whatever is all predicated off of this analysis that we're going to hear in a few minutes here because we can't have to not just water.

641
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:16,000
There's other things involved in this analysis too. So we will we will get to that as far as the cost John of these consultants and whatnot that was a grant.

642
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:28,000
Okay, this money is not coming out of steamboats taxpayer dollars. It is a grant money that we've been using for that. So I just wanted to clarify that as well.

643
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,000
No, we cannot.

644
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:43,000
Okay, with that in mind Tom, I'm going to turn it over to you for the municipal services analysis.

645
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:46,000
I, A, K, A, the constraints of the analysis, right? Yes.

646
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:49,000
Thank you, President Monteen.

647
01:19:49,000 --> 01:20:00,000
And I just want to start off by saying that this this report is a represents a moment of time.

648
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:11,000
It is a what we're calling a municipal services analysis because it does not include an analysis of other utilities like gas and electric.

649
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:20,000
It is municipal services only and it is intended to be for the slate Creek neighborhood and it is intended to be an introduction.

650
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:25,000
So I know we have, you know, roughly 30 minutes for this discussion tonight.

651
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:36,000
We are fully aware we being staff that this will generate a lot of questions and we welcome the questions and we'll we'll dive into it.

652
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:41,000
I also want to say that there's a lot of, there's a lot of background information.

653
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:49,000
We, we wanted to present this information in a way that was easily digestible clear to the city council to the public.

654
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:57,000
And there's a lot of information that has come from the disparate departments and their analysis that we will be trying to put into sort of a single voice.

655
01:20:57,000 --> 01:21:03,000
It came in a lot of different forms and it came in a lot of different voices if you will.

656
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:16,000
So we are working to kind of put that into one consolidated and clearly legible document that will sort of provide a little bit of background information on the analysis that went through.

657
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:30,000
This will be further discussed by the slate Creek Stairing Committee on June 17th and 18th at their last meetings because this is really going to help informs or the next steps for that potential annexation.

658
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:36,000
It also represents the collective professional judgment of the city staff.

659
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:42,000
And it is those departments that will be primarily serving slate Creek neighborhood.

660
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:55,000
So in many respects it is based on purely empirical data and in some respects it's based on professional opinion based on their current operations.

661
01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:01,000
And it provides council with kind of what we're calling a current snapshot of our municipal service capacity.

662
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:10,000
And really is intended to identify the point at which additional significant additional investment staffing or infrastructure updates would be needed.

663
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:19,000
This is the point at which we could accommodate development and essentially a simulated into our current services above this.

664
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:29,000
It's sort of a stair step if you will we can we can accommodate it but at that point there would be significant infrastructure upgrades.

665
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:34,000
So that's why we're trying to present this as this is what we could do now at the point of time.

666
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:40,000
It really represents kind of our operational conditions it includes staffing levels.

667
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:48,000
Our infrastructure capacity and those take into consideration recent development activity.

668
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:56,000
And it's important to know the decisions about future growth and it's stated in here.

669
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,000
It's not solely about how many homes can we build.

670
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:12,000
It's about how that growth is phased, how it's financed, how it's serviced and how it's integrated into the community over time.

671
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:24,000
And there will be changing conditions it was referenced that for instance the water is based on EQRs for west of.

672
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:38,000
Elk River Road if we see further development between now and when we want annex at west of steam but west of Elk River Road it will lower this number the answer is yes this is any development for the water.

673
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:47,000
That's why we say it's based on a point of time in two months three months six months in a year we probably have to reevaluate it.

674
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:59,000
So with that the analysis that we did was given where we are today in our municipal services we feel we could accommodate about 400 to 500 housing units.

675
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,000
The types of housing units will impact that number.

676
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:15,000
The housing units if they are all single family and have yards that we have to irrigate that's going to lower the number if it's high density housing without irrigation without yards that will increase the number.

677
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,000
If we have commercial space out there that will lower the number of units.

678
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:34,000
So there's a lot of factors that are going to affect this number and that's why we provided try to provide you with a range of what we think is a reasonable number given the assumption that we will have other uses and we don't quite know what the program of that project would be.

679
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:46,000
So just very quickly going through the various services you know wastewater wastewater does not really have any significant constraints you can see that we could accommodate.

680
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:51,000
3,000 equivalent residential units or about 3,500 homes out there.

681
01:24:53,000 --> 01:25:01,000
Future development throughout sort of the broader service area including including steam boats to Metro district the treehouse will affect that.

682
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:05,000
And we'll affect when a new water treatment plant will be needed but.

683
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:09,000
For all instance the purpose wastewater is not a constraint.

684
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:13,000
Trinking water is probably our biggest constraint as was mentioned.

685
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:20,000
That is based on what we say think is a 400 additional equivalent residential residential units.

686
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:24,000
Minus anything that's developed west of Elk River Road.

687
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:31,000
And that does depend on some several planned upgrades which includes the low at height pump station.

688
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:36,000
Upgrades the pressure reducing valves and the creation of a new pressure zone for the sunlight neighborhood.

689
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:42,000
Those are planned projects and expected to occur within the next two to three years.

690
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:50,000
I will have John Schneider answer Mister passes questions about the water treatment.

691
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,000
EMS fire.

692
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:57,000
We continue to see significant growth with call levels for EMS and fire.

693
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:04,000
They did an analysis of what we anticipate future growth to be based on current projections.

694
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:15,000
And when we would really need to develop a second or in this case third fire station west team boat and there analysis was about 670 homes.

695
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:19,000
So again that's higher than the four to 500 units that we can see from water.

696
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,000
So water being the primary constraint.

697
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:32,000
Transportation you've noticed it says one bus stop and traffic light transit is we can accommodate transit.

698
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:40,000
But it means developing probably a around about at the future slate Creek connector road and highway 40.

699
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:45,000
A place for a bus can turn in and pick up folks and come out.

700
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:52,000
We do not have the capacity at this point to bring service up into the brown ash neighborhood or slate Creek neighborhood.

701
01:26:52,000 --> 01:27:00,000
So it would be we could provide transit but without as we all know we've talked about transit in the constraints with our transit system right now.

702
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:12,000
That would require a also additional funding so at this point we can accommodate it with one bus stop one traffic light and around about.

703
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,000
Highway traffic.

704
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:29,000
We do not think based on sort of projections and in the number of the amount of traffic that a modest development would occur is really going to have a significant impact on traffic levels and highway 40 so we do not feel at this point.

705
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:33,000
We are but that's a major constraint.

706
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:45,000
Police is really a matter of trying to keep up with our goal of having 3.5 officers per 1000 that is a goal that is not where we are today but that is what we're trying to achieve.

707
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:51,000
From a staffing level that just means that for every about 200 homes that we develop.

708
01:27:51,000 --> 01:28:00,000
That we would need to additional two police officers in a patrol car so not a significant constraint but it does you know it it matches it up.

709
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:04,000
Staffing that we will need for that.

710
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:14,000
Finally parks you know parks obviously was a big discussion during the original brown ranch we have level of service standards for parks and new development.

711
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:25,000
This is trying to address those level of service standards so based on roughly 500 homes a minimum of six and a half acres of neighborhood park land would be needed across.

712
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:34,000
Two to four locations along with 21 acres of a community park land across one to three locations some of this could be land that's dedicated.

713
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:43,000
For for development in the future the parks could be developed but we at least need the land dedicated and some of those small parks would need to be part of it.

714
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:50,000
Developers do have park requirements we have requirements in our in our transit neighborhood development that will require park land.

715
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:59,000
This is city owned city operated park land that we're talking about so that's in addition to what would be required of developers as part of the development process.

716
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:04,000
The other significant constraint sides water is streets and fleet.

717
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:18,000
The streets department we know and I mentioned earlier in my city manager report that we are looking at a new public works facility and that is because we are bursting at the seams in our public works building.

718
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:38,000
And we are we will with significant increase in what we call lane miles or additional streets basically that just takes more time to for our plow routes and so talking to our streets division there's like we can probably handle about another.

719
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:52,000
mile and a half of roadway which is really three miles of lane miles before we're we're going beyond our capacity to be able to provide a level of service and plow the streets in a way that this community expects.

720
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:59,000
So we can accommodate another mile and a half of streets that's not a lot when you think about that.

721
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,000
That's a pretty small development. But I think between a mile and half of streets and 4,500 units, that's probably a pretty small contained annexation, adjacent to the existing city limits, adjacent to what would be this late Creek connector, or where gossip park comes through the Glen. And that's kind of where we are today without, as I said before, additional significant infrastructure upgrades.

722
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:46,000
We have staff that can answer questions. Again, I'm trying to emphasize that this is an introduction. We will have a lot of questions. We'll be able to provide more information. And this is the beginnings of a community conversation. And we'll certainly be part of the conversation at the Slake Creek Neighborhood Staring Committee, in terms of next steps of what we think we're going to accommodate.

723
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:57,000
So that is it. And I might just have John John. Do you want to just come down and address the question, because I know that council's going to be asking that. So we might as well just try to answer Mr. Passes question.

724
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:13,000
Good evening, John Snyder Public Works Director. So to start with addressing water. Let me first start with, there are two water districts in Steamboats Springs. There's a malwarner district and there's the city district.

725
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:29,000
We do not allocate any water of that we anticipate malwarner to use over and our system and vice versa. So for instance, the stockman is in the malwarner district that.

726
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:39,000
There, there'd be a fed from outweir there being fed from outweir's allocation. The development of the stockman does not affect our ability to serve a west side annexation.

727
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:49,000
The other thing I'll say is working with our partners in malwarner. We're planning on stressing the yampo wells treatment plant later this year.

728
01:31:49,000 --> 01:32:01,000
We suspect that the firm yield of the yampo wells treatment plant is actually higher than was previously reported that will give us more flexibility to serve more homes.

729
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:13,000
And then the other thing I'll say is just so everybody understands it's not like we're keeping a general ledger where if one unit gets built over here we subtract one future unit over here that's not how it works.

730
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:25,000
We're instead measuring you know 30 to 40 different parameters throughout the system and then we're backing into those numbers in order to present something that's a little bit more digestible so.

731
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:39,000
If I see a house get built in the Glenn I'm not going to come over and say okay we're going to have a race a potential house in brown ranch what we're going to do instead is we're going to keep an eye on overall usage peak day usage things of that nature.

732
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:43,000
Are there specific questions about water I can answer.

733
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:52,000
John I had one that I kind of think we really need to address can you give the definition of an EQR.

734
01:32:52,000 --> 01:33:05,000
And then also when I got on council six years ago we had 800 EQRs when we were doing that first one and can we just take a moment to explain what that equivalent means.

735
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:17,000
Great question I should have let off with that EQR stands for equivalent residential unit you can break down any usage of water into some form of equivalent residential unit.

736
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:29,000
As staff we call it 140 fixture unit points but for discussion we call it a 2500 square foot house with three bathrooms and a modest yard.

737
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:44,000
When we were going through the brown ranch discussions in 2023 we are using 800 EQRs are threshold we have back that down to 400 and it is mostly due to.

738
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:58,000
The Apple wells treatment capacity potentially not being able to perform as high as we would have liked it to as well as some distribution system constraints that we see more on the west side of town.

739
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:02,000
And you John talk a little bit about redundancy and risk.

740
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:11,000
Yes so we have two water treatment plants and steamboat springs which is great there are towns all over America that only have one water treatment plant.

741
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:23,000
We have to and one of the great things about that is that if we ever were to get a forest fire in the fish creek drainage basin that would cause us to shut down the fish tree plant.

742
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:48,000
We would have another plant to draw off of that is treatment capacity redundancy right there in a nutshell so this 400 unit that we're proposing tonight is a relatively low risk number that we believe we could feed indoor use for the entire city off of the Apple wells plant in the event that there is a shutdown at the fish tree plant for a prolonged period of time.

743
01:34:49,000 --> 01:35:04,000
We have invested heavily in the fish creek plant over the last several years to try to minimize the chance that we have to shut down that plant after a fire but it is still a possibility that we always have to be mindful of.

744
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:16,000
And as that redundancy the limiting factor on the EQRs in other words if we were just relying on a total water number from the fish creek what would that be in EQRs.

745
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:32,000
Oh, it's north of a thousand in fact if we were to expand fish creek I think we could feed all of it if we weren't worried about redundancy at all so that 400 EQRs a combination of the.

746
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:39,000
Yampo wells plant output and the distribution system that we have on the west side of town.

747
01:35:43,000 --> 01:36:00,000
Yep, I had a question so you mentioned kind of distribution and strains and I think you know when you talk about your four to five hundred homes it is dependent upon planned upgrades right replacement of the will at heights pump station upgrades to the pressure reducing valves.

748
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:14,000
And the new pressure zone for the sunlight neighborhood so putting you know what could we do today without those upgrades we really shouldn't do any further west annexation without those upgrades.

749
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:23,000
Now also say though that we have to do those upgrades whether or not we annex or we don't we need to do those even if we know we're never going to annex.

750
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:30,000
Right so that that's I guess there is my question right I mean so to the extent that we know that we need to do these anyway.

751
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:41,000
So so that really isn't as we say the analysis isn't specific to slight creek I mean it's really should be taken into consideration in terms of anything on the west side.

752
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:47,000
We're comfortable with our existing city limits without those but.

753
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:56,000
The problem with the will heights pump station and the pressure reducing valves is they are beyond their useful life so we have to replace those.

754
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:08,000
And then the sunlight booster station that is just so that that neighborhood doesn't ever get their pressure drawn down too much in the event that there is a fire or a major water break on the west side of town.

755
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:13,000
And why why is that an issue today why wasn't that handled when sunlight was built.

756
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:19,000
Staff advocated that that be handled when sunlight was built.

757
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:33,000
There were other pressures at the pressures are wrong word there were other issues going on at the time and staff was overruled and we were told that no they did not have to build their own pressure station at the time.

758
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:57,000
And so let's go back to your comment about there is kind of you're not worried about any other development on the west side but I think it goes back to the comment made by Bill pass right I mean in terms of as a council I think there's decisions that need to be made up here in terms of where if we want to see development do we want how to what development is acceptable to this community so kind of you know goes back to.

759
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:12,000
Are you saying you're that in terms of what's planned or to the extent that there might be future plans not including slate Creek you're comfortable with that and this you're only not comfortable with moving forward with slate Creek.

760
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:26,000
comfortable moving forward to slate Creek and that 400 EQ our number I gave you is 400 minus anything that might get developed at west of Elk River road corridor between now and then so.

761
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:32,000
If there are new subdivisions that come online and I'll give you an example of a huge one that could come our way.

762
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:46,000
West takers ranch it's like an 80 some odd acre parcel south west of the airport if they come in with a development plan that could wipe out a lot of our development potential for slate Creek in and of itself.

763
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:48,000
Okay thank you.

764
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:54,000
If you could just share where we talked about a little earlier today around.

765
01:38:55,000 --> 01:39:03,000
You know all these fixes need to be done before we have people move in let's say out at slate Creek.

766
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:15,000
So based on that though the timing around making all those upgrades is such that we're talking about moving in the earliest would be 2029.

767
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:30,000
Correct we're open to be done with these three upgrades by the end of 2029 okay so what we're really saying is where we stand today which is somewhere around three years which is kind of what it takes to go through that entire process of.

768
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:42,000
Design development bill and everything else so basically what we're talking about is that it's not like we have to delay that are thinking or strategies or options today.

769
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Because it's going to run pretty much.

770
01:39:45,000 --> 01:40:02,000
In parallel with those things being done that yes that's accurate I'd you could certainly start construction could certainly start building I wouldn't I just wouldn't want anybody moving in out there until we're done but I think we can be done with our stuff before there's any houses finished out there.

771
01:40:03,000 --> 01:40:08,000
John I have a question for you.

772
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:21,000
If we were to move forward with an annexation in build four to five hundred units and projects like wex restakers didn't come through but they came through in five or six or seven years from now.

773
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:27,000
And we're in the same situation what would be our circumstance then.

774
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:39,000
If we're in the same situation then I think we would probably have to halt development so what we are always doing is we're always keeping our eye on that dashboard and if we get to a point where we think we're.

775
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:55,000
Starting to get in a precarious position we're going to come to you and we're going to say hey we think you should enact some sort of legislation that slows our halt development so if nothing changes that's what we would do I this but it's always changing.

776
01:40:56,000 --> 01:41:08,000
The dash lights are always changing assumptions are always changing outside factors are always changing so I don't think we're always going to be in the same situation we are at this moment in time.

777
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:18,000
Where to annex and put four to five hundred units out there before Western years ranch came in without effect in any way the development is not pretty far.

778
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:23,000
No no I that's far enough east I don't think it would affect it.

779
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,000
This is a distribution problem.

780
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:35,000
Yeah distribution with treatment also involved but when you're that far east I don't think you're going to have the same issues.

781
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:43,000
So let's ask the big question who totally unconstrained our system looking 10 20 years down the road what has to happen.

782
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:56,000
To totally unconstrained your system we need a third source that increases our redundant treatment capacity and solve our distribution system and that source should be on the west side of town.

783
01:41:57,000 --> 01:41:58,000
Ideally near the Elk River somewhere.

784
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:10,000
Correct yeah ideally it would be an Elk River water treatment plant but again that's at a significant cost significant cost and significant time frame yes five to seven years.

785
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:15,000
By the time you start sampling your raw water to the time you have a new building in place.

786
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,000
John can you clarify one more thing.

787
01:42:22,000 --> 01:42:38,000
You would stated that and he said this a couple of times really the 400 EQRs is from Elk River road west so this does not have an effect truly on a lot of the infill development that's going on the rest of the city explain to me that capacity.

788
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:47,000
That's where your distribution system starts to really matter so in between let's call it the.

789
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:57,000
11th Street or maybe 13th Street and highway 40 intersection and then the third and then the highway 40 Elk River road intersection.

790
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:14,000
Our distribution system gets pretty small because the topography kind of arrows and then once you get out towards Elk River the topography opens up our distribution system opens up as well and so that's where the distribution system pressures start to see more constraints with additional development.

791
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:24,000
So I'm not worried at all about inflow in downtown or at the mountain or you know in the Will it heights area.

792
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:37,000
And explain for the citizens just the regulation regulatory oversight EQRs does there is there's something that would trigger us that would force us to get a third treatment facility.

793
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:47,000
No, no that the state doesn't really look into that that's more based off of the comfort of the community.

794
01:43:48,000 --> 01:44:04,000
Well I wanted to follow up on that alone one question is when should ideally money is no object when should we be starting the process of designing them locating and everything else for a new water treatment plan.

795
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:12,000
Money no object I would say once or maybe half to two thirds built out of any future.

796
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:22,000
Anxation of 400 EQRs so once we start to maybe 300 if we think we're going to keep going past 400 I'd want to start then.

797
01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:28,000
But if we also know we have West acres in there and even sooner.

798
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:41,000
But then joy yeah, but then also we got to consider are we able to drive our Elkiver or I'm sorry are you have a river plant harder okay and will that fill in some of that access.

799
01:44:42,000 --> 01:44:54,000
And if I think if I heard you correctly I mean that is not just specific to development on the West end right I mean the water treatment plant we're talking about is for redundancy for the entire city that's correct for the entire city.

800
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:59,000
And yeah the third plant we would we would size so that it can help.

801
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,960
The entire city, including that one, and just a follow up question in terms of just clarification. So when you're talking about distribution constraints, I mean, is that incumbent in terms are inclusive of what we're talking about with the Willow Heights pump station upgrades to the pressure and those sunlight neighborhood is that more when I think about the actual pipes or this kind of the system that we currently have in place. It's all that it's all that although we don't really talk about, right?

802
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:38,640
I mean, it were focused on these three and not necessarily kind of fixing, you know, for lack of a better sophisticated were the pipes.

803
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:59,120
So that's one of the things Plumber looked into is are there other distribution system improvements we can or should make that improve the distribution system performance above and beyond these three items here and there are things that we could do, but the impact would be negligible to the point that it's really not worth funding.

804
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,000
Okay, thanks.

805
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:12,000
One question. The four to five hundred five hundred homes. There's lots of variables.

806
01:46:12,000 --> 01:46:22,000
We talk about commercial lawns. So is this number the four to five hundred.

807
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:25,000
Did you consider the parks.

808
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:26,000
Yes.

809
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:27,000
Okay.

810
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:28,000
Yeah.

811
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:29,000
Sure.

812
01:46:29,000 --> 01:46:31,000
Okay. And I'll have a question for Angela on that.

813
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,000
Okay.

814
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
Yeah. We anticipate.

815
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:44,000
We plug some assumptions into this, you know, for park land and for maybe 30,000 to 50,000 square feet a commercial.

816
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:51,000
And that helped get us to the 400 to 500 homes number that we're presenting to you tonight.

817
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:58,000
But maybe you know this because we're talking about water. If not, we can I can ask Angela, but for our irrigation systems.

818
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:04,000
Are we using non potable water for whatever we can.

819
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:07,000
That could potentially.

820
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:08,000
Help.

821
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:15,000
Now there's not great opportunities to use non potable water at that particular location.

822
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:19,000
We are using non potable and Angela can hit me and find lying too much.

823
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:25,000
But we're using it at Emerald at House and at several of our larger parks.

824
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:27,000
Okay.

825
01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,000
And then maybe just following up on on Councillor Dickson's question.

826
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000
Really as we look at this kind of it.

827
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:37,000
It's totality moving away from just the drinking water specifically.

828
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:42,000
When we talk about transportation, when we talk about police and all these other needs.

829
01:47:42,000 --> 01:47:51,000
And after that into kind of the today's developments proposals that are coming before us.

830
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:58,000
Yes. So those that affect sort of the community wide like the streets department, fleet department.

831
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:03,000
Parks, parks, fire, police, yes.

832
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:07,000
So we're we're we're looking at all of those as well.

833
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:11,000
So when we talk to the when we talk about the Glen or when we talk about base camp,

834
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:18,000
we're looking at a contribution like we're asking the creek neighborhood to do.

835
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:23,000
Well, if the subdivision if the if the standards apply to that type of development.

836
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:31,000
Yes, but the parkland I believe the parkland requirement is a subdivision requirement not a development requirement.

837
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:34,000
So for a multi family development, we don't require a parkland.

838
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:39,000
If they did a subdivision of some kind, we would require some sort of open space or.

839
01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:48,000
So base base camp was a development within an already existing subdivision so they probably didn't have parkland requirement if that's your question.

840
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:51,000
That's my question, but what about police.

841
01:48:51,000 --> 01:49:05,000
Well, police, you know, you've heard Mark Beckett, chief Beckett talk about how we're trying to achieve that 3.5 officers for a thousand were not there yet, but the more development that we have.

842
01:49:05,000 --> 01:49:18,000
And as we continue to grow as a community, we are trying to look at that and that's why we get the staffing requests that we're getting and that was really the point I tried to make in my third paragraph of this is that this is a.

843
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:34,000
This raises a larger question for this city then just late creek in terms of municipal services and where we are I mean we are we are at the top and so there are several areas that we need significant infrastructure.

844
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:42,000
Improvements and upgrades and investment in order to achieve the levels of service we want just for the development that's occurring within the existing city limits.

845
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:49,000
Yeah, no I mean I think that's an important point that it's not this is not just like creek right that this is not.

846
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:54,000
This is with any new development with any sort of growth right these are the needs.

847
01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:00,000
These are the needs and this is why councils having the conversations about fiscal sustainability that you're having because.

848
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:12,000
We are not able to achieve the levels of service or we're getting to the point where we're not able to meet the levels of service that the community expects as we continue to grow and our revenue sources are not meeting our expenses.

849
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,000
Yeah.

850
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:16,000
Any other questions for John.

851
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,000
Yeah, just one last one Steve, thank you.

852
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:27,000
John originally when we were doing the first annexation with.

853
01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:30,000
Well, the one that failed the brown ranch.

854
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:41,000
What I was curious on is that we passed this 9% sales tax for short term rental license and during that process we were looking at a 200 million dollar portion.

855
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:49,000
But the city of steamboat would have to bill pay for and that's infrastructure roads and transportation a lot of that.

856
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:58,000
That's how we came up with the 9% and the roughly the 20 or 200 million dollars over the course of the term of the ballot language.

857
01:50:58,000 --> 01:51:06,000
In that if I'm not mistaken included the anticipation of a new water treatment facility.

858
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:12,000
As we're moving forward with a people see 30 million dollars in the short term rental fund.

859
01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:21,000
I just isn't some of that money anticipated by 2029 could be used on a new water treatment facility.

860
01:51:21,000 --> 01:51:24,000
Yeah, I think in the brown ranch agreement.

861
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:32,000
Two thirds of the money for that treatment facility was included in that but not the whole of the treatment facility.

862
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:42,000
I'll refer to damn but if it is indirect support of affordable housing then we can use us to our money for any of the structure upgrades.

863
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,000
That is correct.

864
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:53,000
Yeah, and I just I just I bring it up thank you and we'll have more of a discussion but as we move forward with the need for a water treatment facility on Elk River.

865
01:51:53,000 --> 01:52:01,000
And we keep wanting to spend a lot of this money for affordable housing opportunities that are coming up with the ad hoc committee.

866
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:05,000
We really have to start putting some of that money away.

867
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:16,000
And I know business owners are talking about lowering that 4% sales tax but don't you think it would be prudent to start talking some of that money away now for 2029 build.

868
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:20,000
If we're confident we're going to and extend I think that would be prudent.

869
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,000
Okay, thank you.

870
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:26,000
Okay, lots to think about John.

871
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:29,000
Do you have questions for Angela.

872
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:31,000
Councillor Dixon.

873
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,000
No, I think.

874
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:33,000
Well, Angela maybe.

875
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:36,000
Yeah, just if you want to talk about the irrigation.

876
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:38,000
This is we're talking about water.

877
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:43,000
And how you all evaluate using pot of water for irrigation.

878
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:47,000
Angela, cause me your Parks and Recreation Director.

879
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:54,000
Wherever we have access to non-potable water we do have water rights on the AMPA that we manage very closely.

880
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:58,000
It is always our preference to use non-potable water first.

881
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:07,000
We do have a few sites left within our existing inventory that we're still looking to convert to raw water.

882
01:53:07,000 --> 01:53:12,000
We have prioritized which locations we convert first based upon consumption and use.

883
01:53:12,000 --> 01:53:15,000
So some of our sites left are a bit smaller.

884
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:16,000
Okay.

885
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:17,000
Does that answer all your questions?

886
01:53:17,000 --> 01:53:18,000
Yeah.

887
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:19,000
Thank you.

888
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,000
Okay.

889
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:23,000
Any other questions for Tom?

890
01:53:23,000 --> 01:53:27,000
Thank you for that.

891
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,000
Okay.

892
01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:31,000
We are going to move on here.

893
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:33,000
And next item on the agenda.

894
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:37,000
And we will take a break after this item as the community reports.

895
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:45,000
And items on the community report may be commented on the same manner as consent calendar and public hearing items.

896
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:53,000
So after we go through the community report we will also ask if anybody has public comment about those.

897
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:59,000
So we're going to start with the educational fund board and your report.

898
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:01,000
Adam, you want to come on down?

899
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:17,000
Yeah.

900
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:18,000
Thanks everyone.

901
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:22,000
Adam Osball, current acting president of the education fund board.

902
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:26,000
Just here to give the state of the fund report for you.

903
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:29,000
A little lighter than the previous conversation hopefully.

904
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:34,000
So did try to put it up there for everybody to see.

905
01:54:34,000 --> 01:54:46,000
And then see if we can do that.

906
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:47,000
Perfect.

907
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:55,000
So there's our mission to enhance the academic accomplishments and route county through student facing investment and staff facilities infrastructure technologies curriculum.

908
01:54:55,000 --> 01:54:59,000
Made available through our public schools.

909
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:01,000
The government documents.

910
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:08,000
We incorporated 1994 the agreements between the fund board and the city of steamboat.

911
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:12,000
Was re-adopted in March of 2024.

912
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
It was actually negotiated a little bit before that.

913
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:17,000
But we got it signed in 2024.

914
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:23,000
By laws we do the by laws and policies and procedures every other year review those last year.

915
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,000
We did the by laws which were updated in September.

916
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:31,000
The share will do the policies and procedures so those will be updated in 26 or this summer.

917
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:35,000
Most of the time.

918
01:55:35,000 --> 01:55:41,000
Recent changes those top two we really gone over that last ones get to be the big change here pretty quick.

919
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,000
And we're hiring a new account and we're in that process right now.

920
01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:49,000
I've going through that and we have a group that is interviewing new accountants.

921
01:55:49,000 --> 01:55:52,000
Linda Thompson was our current accountant.

922
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:56,000
She was actually brought on by my predecessor Sam Jones.

923
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:00,000
When she was brought on we actually hadn't filed tax returns for three years.

924
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:03,000
So she had a pretty heavy lift when as soon as she came on.

925
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:06,000
And she's been fantastic but she is retiring.

926
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:12,000
So if you do see her around tell her that she did a wonderful job for that fund.

927
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,000
Educational board.

928
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:17,000
We're made up of 11 voting members three year terms.

929
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,000
We're appointed by the board.

930
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:23,000
We have four officer positions.

931
01:56:23,000 --> 01:56:26,000
Right there's our rules.

932
01:56:26,000 --> 01:56:30,000
Review and vet all grants set the annual budget.

933
01:56:30,000 --> 01:56:33,000
Management of the legitimacy of potential recipients.

934
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:38,000
Board governance accountability of spending in cash flows.

935
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:45,000
Coordinated the annual audits and the tax filings and the liais on between the district's community and the city.

936
01:56:46,000 --> 01:56:48,000
There's our current board members as you can see there.

937
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:51,000
We are adding three new members this summer.

938
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:53,000
All three of those people have accepted.

939
01:56:53,000 --> 01:56:57,000
We did have I think eight applicants issue, which was fantastic.

940
01:56:57,000 --> 01:57:00,000
The interview all those and we threw all those and get the best people.

941
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,000
So that was a good.

942
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,000
Good.

943
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:04,000
Change the pace for the last couple years.

944
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,000
District advisors.

945
01:57:07,000 --> 01:57:12,000
District advisors pretty much advise the Ed fund board on kind of communication.

946
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:18,000
Set expectations on where they see funds that they want to use or any changes that they want to to the Ed fund.

947
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:29,000
And kind of will work those out together as well as their you know involved in our grant review process and provide us with any details that we need.

948
01:57:29,000 --> 01:57:31,000
How we're funded.

949
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:39,000
This is more for people of the city instead of the council here, but city of the steamboat collects the sales and use tax.

950
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:48,000
And half the half percent is paid to the Ed fund as a monthly as approved by the voters.

951
01:57:48,000 --> 01:57:56,000
And then the city as steamboat springs assesses 1% fee against those payments for their administration of the fee.

952
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:08,000
And then seem about education funds sets a final budget in May for the following school year based on projected projected revenues through the end of the fiscal year, which is June for us.

953
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:18,000
Big part of what we do is review and receive in that all grants based on district school needs and priorities.

954
01:58:18,000 --> 01:58:33,000
All grants request must align with the mission of the fund community grants must be non profit organizations and provide school based programming and school districts included our school districts include the steamboat school district north route chatter.

955
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:38,000
South route Hayden and steamboat Montessori.

956
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:41,000
There's our granting history as you can see there.

957
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:49,000
We are projecting a drop and the money that we're giving out this year that we budgeted this year for 2022 to 2022 7.

958
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:55,000
We did follow the city's guidelines as far as the two two and a half percent drop.

959
01:58:55,000 --> 01:59:01,000
Some of that as Kim's probably calculating by behind me is that that is a little bit more than two and a half percent.

960
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:10,000
But we actually this year we didn't looks like we're not meeting all our funding obligations and so we had to dip into what we're calling our cash flow cushion.

961
01:59:10,000 --> 01:59:26,000
We can't call it a reserve account because there's accounting implications for that and so we'll have to put money into that for our cash flow purposes and so that number is a little bit lower than we have seen in the past.

962
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:39,000
We'll be a little bit there but that's exactly what we find most of our money that we've do fund still goes to student facing staff the next is technology and then 6% there goes to the programming.

963
01:59:39,000 --> 01:59:47,000
Community grants we do fund community grants mostly non profit organizations or all non profit organizations I say.

964
01:59:47,000 --> 01:59:55,000
This is what kind of what they do provide experimental learning and broad and scope of student knowledge based on life skills support students and families outside of the school environment.

965
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:59,000
Community grants need collaboration.

966
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,000
Which is a part of our grant application process, and then below there you can see kind of some of the organizations that we do fund.

967
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:16,000
Community buy-in, a lot of what the fund board does, and especially coming up here as we get closer.

968
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:26,000
The voting cycle is community buy-in, just letting people know that this is their money and where it goes, and how it's being spent, and so everybody gets behind that as everybody knows.

969
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:30,000
Last time I was approved at 85% approval rate.

970
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:40,000
It's been renewed now for 25 years. Next one, next time it'll come up as 2029, so we'll probably start that process in 2028.

971
02:00:40,000 --> 02:00:48,000
Here's just a foul language on the last election cycle. I'm not going to read that, but it'll look very similar to the next time through.

972
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:56,000
And then here's all the resources that we have to provide you per our agreement. Those last three are the big ones. Obviously the cannon bill or reports.

973
02:00:56,000 --> 02:01:04,000
If you guys ever get bored and need to read something or want to know more about the fund that is, that's the meat and potatoes of what we do and what we fund.

974
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:10,000
And so go ahead and read through those. And then obviously if you need some sleeping material, the auto reports.

975
02:01:10,000 --> 02:01:16,000
And then the grant write reports are the best money that the fund spends.

976
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:24,000
When I will go ahead and open it up for questions. Thanks Adam. Anyone have any questions for Adam?

977
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:32,000
Thanks Adam. I might have a quick question. When we look at the pie chart on the distribution of grants.

978
02:01:32,000 --> 02:01:45,000
This team of springs, 78%. How do you determine the percentage for distribution for the different school districts?

979
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:51,000
It's just based on what comes in or do you all say up to a certain percentage?

980
02:01:51,000 --> 02:02:04,000
So for a long time, the Ed fund funded what came in. So we had essentially a 20 some years worth of data of where we were funding grants that came in.

981
02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:12,000
What we found out during that process was that was a lot of additional work for our teachers and administration within the school district.

982
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:18,000
We got to the point where that actually dropped off quite a bit as far as the grants that were coming in.

983
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:24,000
So we actually had money left over at the end of the year, which is not what we want and it's not the idea behind the fund.

984
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:33,000
And so we went to a categorical granting model based off of what was historically funded to each district.

985
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:44,000
Obviously, they had to change when steamboat Montessori came on, but we kind of worked it in there. It loosely kind of works into a peer pupil basis.

986
02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:47,000
But as we know, those numbers change year to year so.

987
02:02:47,000 --> 02:02:48,000
Perfect. Thank you.

988
02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:50,000
Yeah.

989
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:52,000
Hey, Adam. My question.

990
02:02:52,000 --> 02:02:55,000
Yeah, well, I had Michael.

991
02:02:56,000 --> 02:03:01,000
Explain to me in the group.

992
02:03:01,000 --> 02:03:05,000
The, um, the you are a fund.

993
02:03:05,000 --> 02:03:08,000
The tiff that's being used to the base of the ski mountain.

994
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:15,000
How is that could affect this budget in your budget when that sunsets?

995
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:22,000
Who, I don't, I don't know how that, as far as the, your, your gap to explain a little bit more on the tiff fund.

996
02:03:22,000 --> 02:03:27,000
Adam, I might have came wherever our finance director, she probably can answer that question for council.

997
02:03:27,000 --> 02:03:31,000
But, you know,

998
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:37,000
Yeah, I just keep it in context that even though you're under, right now with some of the future money that's coming in,

999
02:03:37,000 --> 02:03:43,000
we know coming down the pipe could be some additional funds for the school.

1000
02:03:43,000 --> 02:03:47,000
Can we ever find answer from the education fund board perspective?

1001
02:03:47,000 --> 02:03:49,000
It's not subject to the tiff.

1002
02:03:49,000 --> 02:03:54,000
There's no, um, there's no tiff for sales tax.

1003
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,000
Now for the school district on the property tax.

1004
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:58,000
That's a different story.

1005
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:03,000
But, um, the half percent school tax is not subject to the tiff.

1006
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:08,000
So there will be no change for the education fund board.

1007
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:11,000
Okay. Thank you.

1008
02:04:12,000 --> 02:04:14,000
Any other questions for Adam?

1009
02:04:16,000 --> 02:04:20,000
Okay. Thanks for everything you do Adam and your team.

1010
02:04:20,000 --> 02:04:22,000
Yeah, appreciate it.

1011
02:04:22,000 --> 02:04:23,000
Yeah.

1012
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:25,000
We will open Adam.

1013
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:27,000
Yeah, we will open up the public comment.

1014
02:04:27,000 --> 02:04:30,000
Does anybody have a public comment addressing this?

1015
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:33,000
In the room or online?

1016
02:04:33,000 --> 02:04:35,000
See, no, we'll close public comment.

1017
02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:37,000
It's about five of seven.

1018
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:39,000
I think what we'll do is take a quick 10 minute break.

1019
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:43,000
We'll come back and handle the chamber update from Laura.

1020
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:51,000
And then we'll move into our, um, consent calendar, which is why I believe most of the rest of you are here.

1021
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:53,000
So we'll see you in 10 minutes.

1022
02:05:03,000 --> 02:05:05,000
Thank you.

1023
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:35,000
Thank you.

1024
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:05,000
Thank you.

1025
02:06:33,000 --> 02:06:35,000
Thank you.

1026
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:05,000
Thank you.

1027
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:35,000
Thank you.

1028
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:05,000
Thank you.

1029
02:08:33,000 --> 02:08:35,000
Thank you.

1030
02:09:03,000 --> 02:09:05,000
Thank you.

1031
02:09:33,000 --> 02:09:35,000
Thank you.

1032
02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:05,000
Thank you.

1033
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:35,000
Thank you.

1034
02:11:03,000 --> 02:11:05,000
Thank you.

1035
02:11:33,000 --> 02:11:35,000
Thank you.

1036
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,000
Thank you.

1037
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:35,000
Thank you.

1038
02:13:03,000 --> 02:13:05,000
Thank you.

1039
02:13:33,000 --> 02:13:35,000
Thank you.

1040
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:05,000
Thank you.

1041
02:14:33,000 --> 02:14:35,000
Thank you.

1042
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:18,000
minutes.

1043
02:15:18,000 --> 02:15:35,040
Okay, we're all back, all right. We're going to move on to our second community report

1044
02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:41,040
26 chamber destination stewardship update. Laura, come on down.

1045
02:15:41,040 --> 02:16:05,840
You have to tell everybody else how you made that change so quickly. I mean, you're

1046
02:16:05,920 --> 02:16:13,440
down here eight seconds and it came up practice. Okay, good evening council. I am Laura

1047
02:16:13,440 --> 02:16:18,080
Sword, the senior director of marketing and communications for the steamboat spring's chamber,

1048
02:16:18,080 --> 02:16:23,440
and I am excited to share with you some of our efforts and give you a preview of the work that we're

1049
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:31,280
doing in our destination stewardship work for 26. So I always like to start with why we are doing

1050
02:16:31,280 --> 02:16:39,520
what we do. So tourism is a large economic driver for our area. We know that the numbers on the right

1051
02:16:39,520 --> 02:16:46,320
are from our Dean Runyon report from 2024. We should be getting those new 2025 numbers soon.

1052
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:52,000
But for right now, we have 2024 and we can see over 5,000 jobs in Rout County around and

1053
02:16:53,040 --> 02:17:00,000
direct earnings tax receipts. These are all critical numbers for our community. And we know that

1054
02:17:00,720 --> 02:17:06,800
because of our tourism economy, our business is ripe. But beyond that, our downtown is vibrant,

1055
02:17:07,600 --> 02:17:12,880
arts and cultures flourish. Public services schools and outdoor spaces receives funding. We've been

1056
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:18,160
hearing a lot about that tonight. And our community is energized with a diverse dining scene.

1057
02:17:18,160 --> 02:17:24,000
Sustainable jobs and flexibility and a high quality of life. And at the end of the day, the goal of

1058
02:17:24,000 --> 02:17:29,200
a healthy tourism economy is a net benefit. tourism is a net benefit for our community. And that's what

1059
02:17:29,280 --> 02:17:36,320
we're looking to. So we are in our second year of our destination stewardship action plan. And that is a

1060
02:17:36,320 --> 02:17:43,600
three year roadmap. We established to really guide all of our efforts as the destination organization for

1061
02:17:43,600 --> 02:17:50,880
the area. And within that plan, we have three kind of pillars heritage, environment, and economy.

1062
02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:57,360
And all of these things together need to work in harmony to have this really healthy tourism economy.

1063
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:04,720
Based on the community needs and our requests from council and direction, we have focused on

1064
02:18:04,720 --> 02:18:09,920
some of these pillars more than others as certain times. But ideally, they all need to work in harmony

1065
02:18:09,920 --> 02:18:16,880
for this all to be that net benefit. So the three goals we have, and again, these are three

1066
02:18:16,880 --> 02:18:23,280
year goals, one for each of those pillars. So first, economic goal is to leverage tourism to support this

1067
02:18:23,280 --> 02:18:29,360
economy. The environmental goal to encourage responsible and respectful use. And finally, the

1068
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:35,440
cultural goal to protect and enhance Steamboats brings cultural identity. And all of these things,

1069
02:18:35,440 --> 02:18:40,400
everything I'm going to show you all the work that we're doing ladders up to these efforts.

1070
02:18:42,000 --> 02:18:48,960
So going into what is new for 20, 26, I'm excited to share that we have gone through a visit Steamboats

1071
02:18:48,960 --> 02:18:53,600
brings rebrand. And this is something I showed to council last fall kind of proposed that this

1072
02:18:53,600 --> 02:19:00,400
is something that we thought was really important. The brand that we have as a destination is how we tell our

1073
02:19:00,400 --> 02:19:08,240
story to the entire world. And these stories need to evolve as things change like traveler behaviors.

1074
02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:14,880
And I mean, the entire world has changed dramatically since we developed this branding back in 2018.

1075
02:19:15,600 --> 02:19:22,160
So it's really time to evolve this, how we give our message to the world. And it is a collaborative

1076
02:19:22,160 --> 02:19:28,960
process, lots of research, lots of surveys and interviews that we did with people to come to this

1077
02:19:28,960 --> 02:19:36,000
really creative new approach. So I'm really pleased to present to you. Steamboats brings genuine

1078
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:41,440
West. This is our new branding that we are moving forward with in 2026.

1079
02:19:41,920 --> 02:19:47,680
So I like to set the stage a little bit because it gives me goosebumps kind of to just read

1080
02:19:47,680 --> 02:19:54,160
our brand manifesto. And before we go into anything, we have to set the groundwork for what we want this

1081
02:19:54,160 --> 02:20:00,240
brand to look like and sound like and how it comes to life. So I'm going to read this to you real quickly.

1082
02:20:00,800 --> 02:20:07,520
The West. You read about in books, you watch it in movies, you picture it in your mind. And some of it

1083
02:20:07,520 --> 02:20:12,880
is what you'd expect. Wandering rivers, golden meadows, clear mountain lakes, cowboys,

1084
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:18,240
weirking, the hills. We've got all of that in Simboats brings is who we are. But here the West

1085
02:20:18,240 --> 02:20:24,640
of Genuine beyond expectation. You find to talking with people you just met, you admire in the art

1086
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:31,200
across town who here in the music drifting down Main Street on a summer night or rodeo announcers

1087
02:20:31,200 --> 02:20:37,120
drifting throughout town. Always something happening never out of reach. The way we see it,

1088
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:42,720
there's nowhere better. We'll let you see for yourself. Steamboat springs, Genuine West.

1089
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:47,280
So that's what we sound like. How do we bring this to life?

1090
02:20:49,040 --> 02:20:51,600
Oh, I think I got a boar at.

1091
02:20:59,280 --> 02:21:02,160
I got kicked off the zooms, so just bear with me here a minute.

1092
02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:49,280
Any questions so far? We just a minute here as I get back on the internet. This always seems

1093
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:55,680
to happen to me. I got kicked off too. The new one else got kicked off.

1094
02:21:55,680 --> 02:22:10,320
You'll kind of. Now I'm back on.

1095
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:41,120
Do you need some help in the back room there?

1096
02:22:41,840 --> 02:22:45,760
No, I've got the zoom opening.

1097
02:22:55,680 --> 02:23:01,040
Let me know.

1098
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:19,840
All right. Okay, there we go. Thank you. Sorry about that. All right. So we are bringing the

1099
02:23:19,840 --> 02:23:26,320
brand to life and what this looks like and you know we talked about what it sounds like. So what it

1100
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:34,880
looks like is a new color palette that we've worked with. We also are looking at our brand personality.

1101
02:23:34,880 --> 02:23:45,680
So the four squares that I have here, well I had here. I will just do that. Grounded,

1102
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:53,440
quietly confidence, unhurried and inviting. It looks like typical headlines with just a little bit

1103
02:23:53,440 --> 02:24:00,720
of a genuine West wink to them. For example, hustle and bustle not included. This has been one of

1104
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:09,680
our more popular headlines that we've been testing out recently. Okay. So when we look at our overall

1105
02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:15,680
marketing plan based on all of that branding, when we look at our plan for 2026,

1106
02:24:16,240 --> 02:24:21,360
we there are a lot of elements that we look at a lot of indicators and some headwinds and some

1107
02:24:21,360 --> 02:24:26,640
tailwinds. So I'm just going to touch on a few real quickly. So headwinds consumer confidence as well.

1108
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:34,240
No changes a lot, but it's at a low point right now. Snowpack as we know this is very impactful on

1109
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:39,120
not just our winter, visitation, but all throughout the summer and fall as well. We're going to

1110
02:24:39,120 --> 02:24:44,880
feel this all year. Geopolitical price volatility, things we have no control over, but we need to be

1111
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:51,120
aware of and respond to appropriately. So tailwinds, things that are really working in our favor,

1112
02:24:51,120 --> 02:24:58,560
our domestic travel, Americans are traveling, and especially internally, not as much international travel.

1113
02:24:58,640 --> 02:25:04,400
So especially with a lot of the celebrations we have this year with America 250, call it a 150,

1114
02:25:04,400 --> 02:25:10,160
that kind of thing. I call that luxury travel because it is still a really important element for us

1115
02:25:10,160 --> 02:25:16,400
as far as that higher income bracket travel goes. But we also are seeing not traditional high

1116
02:25:16,400 --> 02:25:24,160
income bracket travelers, but some other lower income travel bracket travelers that are really

1117
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:30,960
prioritizing, spending their resources on travel. And so there's definitely a lot of opportunity

1118
02:25:30,960 --> 02:25:36,960
there for us to bring up a new consumer. Of course establish destination, steamboat, as well known.

1119
02:25:36,960 --> 02:25:41,360
Establish events, I mentioned as well because they definitely drive predictable visitation.

1120
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:46,960
We know when an event is happening, especially when it's ticketed, we that is predictable visitation.

1121
02:25:46,960 --> 02:25:53,440
And finally, visiting friends and relatives is a huge part of our visitor economy and really those

1122
02:25:53,440 --> 02:25:56,560
are our repeat visitors are coming from and some really valuable guests.

1123
02:25:58,000 --> 02:26:04,160
So in terms of our paid media campaign, really what we're looking to do is to drive visitation across

1124
02:26:04,160 --> 02:26:11,520
these markets, which I'll show you in a minute. The travel journey right now is very fragmented. It's

1125
02:26:11,520 --> 02:26:16,000
a completely different landscape than we even saw a year ago or even a month ago. There are so many

1126
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:23,040
new tools and ways people are searching for these things that we're looking to create that full funnel

1127
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:29,600
using lots of different channels to find these visitors. And using those channels together to

1128
02:26:29,600 --> 02:26:36,240
both generate and capture the demand. Okay, so what we're looking to accomplish with this paid media

1129
02:26:36,240 --> 02:26:41,200
campaign is to increase the visitors spending of the people that are already here and that is this is

1130
02:26:41,200 --> 02:26:46,160
based on the percentage of visa spending by visitors that information we get from Zardico. So that's the

1131
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:52,480
same as we've have done before. Increase August and September lodging tax collection. So increasing

1132
02:26:52,480 --> 02:26:59,200
that late summer and fall visitor. Imagine stabilize the average length of stay because we've seen

1133
02:26:59,200 --> 02:27:03,840
that decline over the past couple of years and we want to get that back into a place where we can grow that.

1134
02:27:04,880 --> 02:27:09,440
We have a lot of opportunity with do steamboats springs right and that stewardship message.

1135
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:15,280
Our visitor center is a very important part of our efforts. I'll talk a little bit more about that in a minute.

1136
02:27:15,280 --> 02:27:20,800
And then as I mentioned, the 251-50 activations, there are a lot of opportunities there that we have.

1137
02:27:21,120 --> 02:27:24,560
The drone show we had at Winter Carnival was a great example of that.

1138
02:27:25,200 --> 02:27:31,520
We work with the state to bring that to the area. So we really want to highlight the unique character of our area.

1139
02:27:33,120 --> 02:27:38,320
So the target audiences, we have identified we've got two main audiences, our empty

1140
02:27:38,320 --> 02:27:42,640
investors, and that's more of our fall visitor. And then our families that's going to be more of our

1141
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:49,360
summer visitor. And the four basic markets we're looking at Chicago and then within Colorado front range

1142
02:27:49,360 --> 02:27:54,640
from Fort Collins down to Colorado Springs. And then it takes his Houston and Dallas Fort

1143
02:27:54,640 --> 02:28:00,960
Worth. And these are all established markets for us. With the resources that we have, we are not going to

1144
02:28:00,960 --> 02:28:06,000
spread too far. So we need to be really concentrated at where our efforts are going. So that's why we've chosen

1145
02:28:06,000 --> 02:28:10,880
these markets, their fly markets, and all can also be drive markets in the summer.

1146
02:28:12,720 --> 02:28:18,000
And how that looks across the calendar, paid search is going on now and we'll go on through September.

1147
02:28:18,000 --> 02:28:23,680
That's your Google search. We're going to focus on the families in May and June. So that has

1148
02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:29,600
already started. And then the empty investors, that's going to layer in in the fall.

1149
02:28:32,320 --> 02:28:39,120
So I'll show just a few creative slides with you. And this is an example of a social media ad in the

1150
02:28:39,120 --> 02:28:45,840
ideas. That's a carousel that you scroll through. And the first frame is just a nice town shot with a

1151
02:28:45,840 --> 02:28:50,880
headline. And then the middle is that kind of grounding picture that shows that this is an actual

1152
02:28:50,880 --> 02:28:56,320
place. And we identify what the place is. In this case it's Lincoln Avenue. And then the payoff at the end

1153
02:28:56,320 --> 02:29:05,040
with that genuine West tag. This is an Instagram ad. And the headline here says, even kids these days love it.

1154
02:29:05,040 --> 02:29:12,800
Steamboat Springs identifies the place and then the tag. This one has been our highest performers so far

1155
02:29:13,440 --> 02:29:20,400
the first month of our campaign. First rodeoers, rodeoers, welcome. Identifies the rodeo and then

1156
02:29:20,400 --> 02:29:26,480
that last frame. So this one has been performing very well across all markets. So in addition to our

1157
02:29:26,480 --> 02:29:32,480
paid campaign we have what I'm considering kind of our always online channels. And these are our

1158
02:29:32,480 --> 02:29:39,840
visit Steamboat Springs, social channels, Instagram, Facebook, our website of course. And the emails that we

1159
02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:45,440
send out. We have a visitors guide that comes out twice a year. We just got the newer version out.

1160
02:29:45,440 --> 02:29:52,160
I have some of anyone wants to see one. We just distribute those out to the community. The visitor center,

1161
02:29:52,160 --> 02:29:57,360
the visitor center is a critical piece of the work that we do. And it's so interesting the trends that we see

1162
02:29:57,360 --> 02:29:59,360
in travel.

1163
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,600
There are so many tools out there, especially digital tools. And we're not attempting to replace those. We really want our visitor center to augment some of those. And really be that source of local knowledge for people. And then we are always, we always have a presence on colorout.com. And that is the states tourism website. And then the messaging that we have year round, this is mostly our stewardship messaging. So they do seem both springs right, support local, adventure responsibly.

1164
02:30:29,600 --> 02:30:36,600
And then celebrate the culture. And again, these all ladder up to what is in our destination stewardship action plan.

1165
02:30:36,600 --> 02:30:46,600
So in terms of the different campaigns, we have. So as I mentioned, the national campaign, that is the genuine west. And that's going to be in those several national markets.

1166
02:30:46,600 --> 02:30:57,600
Regional campaigns, we have genuine west. And then we layer back in it that do seem both springs right, which is the, this is the second full year we've been doing that one in partnership with the state tourism office.

1167
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:02,600
And then our local market and those are for people who are already here in the area.

1168
02:31:02,600 --> 02:31:08,600
We serve the do spin, steamboat springs right message, as well as layering and some care for Colorado.

1169
02:31:08,600 --> 02:31:13,600
That is kind of a separate component of stewardship messaging.

1170
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:21,600
Okay, so I'm going to show a share a bit of data information. We use some data in research and on the left, those are some of the platforms that we use.

1171
02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:27,600
That we use some are forward-looking and some are historic data serving really different purposes.

1172
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:34,600
And the distribution channel for that data is that's what's in those images there. And the tourism data dashboard lives on our website.

1173
02:31:34,600 --> 02:31:40,600
And I just saw the April tax information come in today. So I'll add that in and we'll have that live on our site soon.

1174
02:31:40,600 --> 02:31:44,600
And then the local link is our local, local newsletter.

1175
02:31:44,600 --> 02:31:56,600
That shares events and happenings and really what locals should be aware of so that they can make informed decisions and know what's going on the community as well as our efforts and what we're doing.

1176
02:31:56,600 --> 02:32:02,600
So how does spring summer fall look so far. I ran these numbers last week.

1177
02:32:02,600 --> 02:32:09,600
And this is information from key data, which is our lodging occupancy platform that we use.

1178
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:17,600
So these numbers are June 1st to September 21st. And I guess overall I would say things look okay.

1179
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:24,600
They don't look great, but they also don't look dismal. So it's kind of steady year over year at this point.

1180
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:29,600
When we look at paid occupancy, it's pretty much flat. That's that first square on the left.

1181
02:32:29,600 --> 02:32:33,600
But we see guests nights or down and nights available or down.

1182
02:32:33,600 --> 02:32:39,600
And that tells me that there are fewer units, fewer properties to rent this summer.

1183
02:32:39,600 --> 02:32:46,600
So that's either because of renovations at properties or individual property owners have taken their properties off the market this summer.

1184
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:53,600
So while the percentage is flat, the actual numbers that of units being booked is down a little bit.

1185
02:32:54,600 --> 02:33:00,600
Rev. that's what really lodgers look to for as far as revenue goes and that's up just a little bit.

1186
02:33:00,600 --> 02:33:08,600
When we look at the average, the adjusted paid in owner occupancy, that's the one I have kind of highlighted the bottom.

1187
02:33:08,600 --> 02:33:13,600
That's up just slightly and that's for the entire season.

1188
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:19,600
If we want to look at a monthly kind of outlook, this starts with June.

1189
02:33:19,600 --> 02:33:29,600
That's on the left. So the darker is the current year, the one in the middle is last year bookings at the same time.

1190
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:37,600
And the bar on the right, that is actuals from last year. So as you can see, we're kind of on par with the bookings from last year.

1191
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:42,600
But we do have some room to grow as far as where we landed last year.

1192
02:33:42,600 --> 02:33:57,600
And that top bar is at 40%. So just for perspective, there's a lot of room there in terms of people still to book and before we reach a uncomfortable capacity.

1193
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:06,600
So lastly, I'll just mention some of the destination stewardship work we've been partnering with the state of Colorado on and I've mentioned to this group for the past couple years.

1194
02:34:06,600 --> 02:34:18,600
I've been a part of this stewardship council and we've been working on ways to create a statewide understanding of destination stewardship and then how to measure it, which has proved extremely complex.

1195
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:28,600
So as you can see, there are four categories there, and this is how we're going to identify destination stewardship and then beneath it, this is all the measurements that we can have.

1196
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:32,600
So choosing KPIs based on the topics at the top.

1197
02:34:32,600 --> 02:34:41,600
So we have a lot of work to do in this, but excited to be a part of that process and how it can trickle down into our area.

1198
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:47,600
And the state also just released their year in review review and that is on the state's website.

1199
02:34:47,600 --> 02:34:56,600
So that is all I have. I apologize. I should have booted myself from the internet before it booted me, but appreciate your patience and time and I'm happy to answer any questions.

1200
02:34:56,600 --> 02:35:01,600
Okay, thank you, Laura. Who has a question.

1201
02:35:01,600 --> 02:35:07,600
I have one. How is our mountain competitive.

1202
02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:15,600
Resorts, what are they doing differently? Because of the downturn, this winter and even spring.

1203
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:21,600
I do notice any differences in terms of what they're doing spending wise or anything like that.

1204
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:24,600
Yeah, I mean for the most parts, they're spending more money.

1205
02:35:24,600 --> 02:35:36,600
So one of our, one of our challenges is our budget as much smaller than our competitive set, which means they can respond with bigger buys more, you know, more assets.

1206
02:35:36,600 --> 02:35:40,600
So they're out in the market more than we are. So I would say that's the biggest difference.

1207
02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:45,600
Some other differences could be just in terms of international promotions.

1208
02:35:45,600 --> 02:35:51,600
That's one thing that we're just doing a little bit of the skier is a great job at that, but we are not nearly at that level.

1209
02:35:51,600 --> 02:35:57,600
So a lot of our competitors are doing that. I think we're seeing the international market as really that important thing.

1210
02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:01,600
That's that we need to be on now and get in front of.

1211
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:04,600
So that was would be two of the big differences. I think what our competitors are doing.

1212
02:36:04,600 --> 02:36:07,600
So we're falling behind. You would say.

1213
02:36:07,600 --> 02:36:14,600
Yes, I mean, in terms of yes, what we can be doing to attract these different demographics. Yes.

1214
02:36:14,600 --> 02:36:16,600
Thank you.

1215
02:36:16,600 --> 02:36:20,600
Other questions?

1216
02:36:20,600 --> 02:36:23,600
Anyone?

1217
02:36:32,600 --> 02:36:40,600
For summer lodging, do you find that folks are more willing to book more short notice?

1218
02:36:40,600 --> 02:36:44,600
Because there's been a few articles out there saying I think actually,

1219
02:36:44,600 --> 02:36:50,600
see my pilot had a couple months ago about summer tourism, possibly going to pick up based on

1220
02:36:50,600 --> 02:36:52,600
No, a great snowier.

1221
02:36:52,600 --> 02:36:55,600
And I saw even a national report out.

1222
02:36:55,600 --> 02:37:00,600
But will you, do you expect these, I'm looking at the summer lodging outlook?

1223
02:37:00,600 --> 02:37:06,600
Do you expect these to fluctuate in people possibly booking short notice?

1224
02:37:06,600 --> 02:37:09,600
Yes, and that's definitely a trend in the summer.

1225
02:37:09,600 --> 02:37:12,600
Our winter visitors book further out in advance.

1226
02:37:12,600 --> 02:37:16,600
Our summer visitors tend to book a shorter booking window for sure.

1227
02:37:16,600 --> 02:37:18,600
So that is something that we expect and anticipate.

1228
02:37:18,600 --> 02:37:23,600
That's why it's helpful to look at those charts that compare our bookings,

1229
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:27,600
you know, reservations on the books now versus where they were last year at this point.

1230
02:37:27,600 --> 02:37:29,600
So that's a good comparison point for us.

1231
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:34,600
We are finding a slight uptick in the length of a booking window.

1232
02:37:34,600 --> 02:37:37,600
So people are booking slightly further in advance.

1233
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:41,600
Which is why we started our media campaign a little bit earlier.

1234
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:46,600
So yes, and we did see a May actually some occupancy was pretty good.

1235
02:37:46,600 --> 02:37:48,600
It was stronger than we expected.

1236
02:37:48,600 --> 02:37:53,600
So we did maybe see that up front in May and then June not as much.

1237
02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:56,600
And then we're looking to fill those other months as well.

1238
02:37:56,600 --> 02:37:58,600
So yes, I do think that's going to happen.

1239
02:37:58,600 --> 02:38:02,600
I don't think it's going to be exponentially bigger than what we have seen before.

1240
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:10,600
And I know one of the articles actually hit on with you talks about where that folks are looking to travel

1241
02:38:10,600 --> 02:38:17,600
for summer and have a slower type of vacation, meaning they want to go one place,

1242
02:38:17,600 --> 02:38:23,600
stay for longer and really explore that one area.

1243
02:38:23,600 --> 02:38:28,600
Yes, and that was one of the reasons we thought we needed to update the branding.

1244
02:38:28,600 --> 02:38:34,600
That concept of more didn't resonate as much anymore and didn't feel quite right.

1245
02:38:34,600 --> 02:38:36,600
So that was a big piece of that.

1246
02:38:36,600 --> 02:38:43,600
Also, we have a great destination for people who are looking for that wellness vacation.

1247
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:48,600
And in fact, a lot of the public relations work we're doing is on that wellness front.

1248
02:38:48,600 --> 02:38:52,600
So hot springs going hiking, being outside.

1249
02:38:52,600 --> 02:39:01,600
The last really nice press hit that we had was in the AAA magazine and it was called The Road to Well and it was all about hot springs and it had a nice feature on steamboat.

1250
02:39:01,600 --> 02:39:07,600
So yeah, that is definitely a strength for us right now that we are working on promoting.

1251
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:10,600
Thank you.

1252
02:39:10,600 --> 02:39:14,600
Any other questions for Laura.

1253
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:16,600
Okay, thank you, Laura.

1254
02:39:16,600 --> 02:39:18,600
Appreciate it.

1255
02:39:18,600 --> 02:39:19,600
Thank you.

1256
02:39:19,600 --> 02:39:20,600
Okay.

1257
02:39:20,600 --> 02:39:28,600
We're going to move on to item G our consent calendar motions resolutions ordinances.

1258
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:30,600
Oh, that's right.

1259
02:39:30,600 --> 02:39:38,600
Thank you public comment first anybody want to make a public comment related to what you just heard.

1260
02:39:38,600 --> 02:39:41,600
Anybody online.

1261
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:45,600
I see no one so we will close public comment.

1262
02:39:45,600 --> 02:39:52,600
So let's move on to our items on the consent calendar, which may be reviewed and commented upon the same manner as other gender items.

1263
02:39:52,600 --> 02:40:00,600
Any member of the council or the public may request withdrawal of any item from the consent calendar for further discussion at any time prior to approval.

1264
02:40:00,600 --> 02:40:04,600
If items are not removed, they may be approved with a single motion.

1265
02:40:04,600 --> 02:40:14,600
So I'm going to read through items number seven all the way up through number 12 and then we'll come back and we'll see which ones we want to pull and which ones we want to leave on the.

1266
02:40:14,600 --> 02:40:16,600
consent agenda.

1267
02:40:16,600 --> 02:40:42,600
The first one is item seven a resolution approving a development plan major variance PL 2 0 2 5 0 3 3 9 12th and Yampa residences number eight is an ordinance rezoning a portion of land as described in exhibit a depicted in exhibit be and located on 10 21 merit street from residential neighborhood one R and one zone district to residential residential neighborhood two R and two zone district.

1268
02:40:42,600 --> 02:40:53,600
Item nine first reading of an ordinance PL 2 0 2 5 0 2 6 0 river view PUD sub zone D amendment item 10 a resolution approving the air program.

1269
02:40:53,600 --> 02:41:10,600
Contribution agreement for 2026 between the steamboat Springs local marketing district and steamboat ski and resort corporate corporation item 11 a resolution approving the amendment of the 2017 IGA between the city of steamboat Springs and the steamboat Springs local marketing district.

1270
02:41:10,600 --> 02:41:26,600
Item 12 is the first reading of an ordinance approving a deed of conservation easements Lake Creek property between the city of steamboat Springs and Colorado open lands I will say we will be pulling item number nine because that's going to be postponed indefinitely.

1271
02:41:26,600 --> 02:41:34,600
So we will be pulling item number nine and I would ask council of the other items on there, which ones would you like to pull.

1272
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:42,600
I would like to pull seven resolution for the development plan okay number seven.

1273
02:41:42,600 --> 02:41:46,600
10 and 11 10 and 11.

1274
02:41:46,600 --> 02:41:49,600
Anything else.

1275
02:41:49,600 --> 02:41:52,600
Consolabicino are you okay.

1276
02:41:52,600 --> 02:41:55,600
Okay.

1277
02:41:55,600 --> 02:41:57,600
Look like it.

1278
02:41:57,600 --> 02:42:04,600
Okay, so we're pulling anyone's to pull seven we're going to pull nine and 10 and 11 is that right.

1279
02:42:04,600 --> 02:42:13,600
So that leaves we will leave on the consent agenda number eight and number 12.

1280
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:23,600
Is that correct unless there's anybody in the audience or online first that's what we're left eight and 12 anybody want to pull later 12.

1281
02:42:23,600 --> 02:42:26,600
Anybody online.

1282
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:30,600
Seeing none I'll ask for a motion to approve.

1283
02:42:30,600 --> 02:42:33,600
I cannot consent agenda items eight and 12.

1284
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:35,600
So moved.

1285
02:42:35,600 --> 02:42:37,600
I got a motion by council of Gary.

1286
02:42:37,600 --> 02:42:41,600
I can I can buy councilor Dixon all those in favor say I.

1287
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:43,600
I opposed.

1288
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:48,600
Okay items eight and 12 remain on the consent calendar.

1289
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:49,600
Okay.

1290
02:42:49,600 --> 02:42:55,600
We're going back to number seven a resolution approval and development plan major variance field two zero two five zero three three nine.

1291
02:42:55,600 --> 02:42:57,600
12th and yampa.

1292
02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:58,600
Toby.

1293
02:42:58,600 --> 02:43:04,600
So we've heard from you before in this we were reminded it back to the planning commission they heard it again.

1294
02:43:04,600 --> 02:43:13,600
So council would you like to hear a short presentation would you like to hear changes from the last time what would you like to hear.

1295
02:43:13,600 --> 02:43:18,600
Well, I think a short presentation would be appropriate because that would incorporate.

1296
02:43:18,600 --> 02:43:19,600
But we're.

1297
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:22,600
The voting on tonight which changes.

1298
02:43:22,600 --> 02:43:23,600
Okay.

1299
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,600
Okay, I'll provide Toby software senior planner.

1300
02:43:25,600 --> 02:43:33,600
I'll provide a short presentation about sort of the process of the project and then the applicant is here and they can tell you.

1301
02:43:33,600 --> 02:43:35,600
More detail about the project.

1302
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,600
The variance is the changes that happened between this hearing and the last one.

1303
02:43:39,600 --> 02:43:43,600
So this slot is at the corner of 12th in yampa.

1304
02:43:43,600 --> 02:43:50,600
It's in the s t r green zone and it's within the hundred year floodplain of the yampa river.

1305
02:43:50,600 --> 02:43:54,600
There have been public comments provided in support and in opposition.

1306
02:43:54,600 --> 02:44:01,600
Project was heard by planning commission on March 12th received no recommendation at a vote of two two.

1307
02:44:01,600 --> 02:44:09,600
It came to city council on April 7th and was reminded back to planning commission with direction to provide more discussion and consideration.

1308
02:44:09,600 --> 02:44:14,600
Which of the variances and to review the cumulative impact of the variances together.

1309
02:44:14,600 --> 02:44:22,600
The second planning commission hearing was on May 14th where the planning commission recommended approval three two.

1310
02:44:22,600 --> 02:44:35,600
For staff, we were put we relied on some of the plans to address criteria in criteria for approval to recommend support of the project but our recommendation is based on.

1311
02:44:35,600 --> 02:44:42,600
The development meeting standards and acceptable alternatives to the standards that allow the project to meet criteria for approval.

1312
02:44:42,600 --> 02:44:48,600
The project does include variances that all together lead to a larger building in mass and scale.

1313
02:44:48,600 --> 02:44:53,600
However, we find that the project is consistent with future plans for the area.

1314
02:44:53,600 --> 02:44:59,600
It meets development plan criteria for approval and it has characteristics that are similar to other.

1315
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:05,000
Mayor, downtown urban development. So I'll let the applicant describe their project.

1316
02:45:05,000 --> 02:45:13,000
I can't say me. Okay. Come on up and name an address, please.

1317
02:45:13,000 --> 02:45:22,000
No, I'm applicant. Oh, you want, I have to do that too. I don't call the applicant, do 35th Street.

1318
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:27,000
So I just wanted to thank you. I'm going to let the experts, you know, do their presentation.

1319
02:45:27,000 --> 02:45:34,000
I wanted to thank you guys as a body for reminding us and given us the opportunity to come back through.

1320
02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:40,000
Because simply, but I wish Councillor Augusta was here because it was at this podium last time.

1321
02:45:40,000 --> 02:45:46,000
We were here that I realized we made a giant mistake on something and it gave us the opportunity to fix that.

1322
02:45:46,000 --> 02:45:56,000
And I'm confident I can stand before you today and say we're back with a significantly better project that accomplishes everything we were asked both at Council and at Planning Commission.

1323
02:45:56,000 --> 02:46:01,000
And I just thank you for for affording us that that opportunity.

1324
02:46:01,000 --> 02:46:04,000
So what's there to thank you?

1325
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:21,000
I'm just logged in under Tandlers name if I can share my screen then I can present to everyone.

1326
02:46:21,000 --> 02:46:24,000
All right, who should he look for?

1327
02:46:25,000 --> 02:46:32,000
Yes, I'm going to share and then let me get this up and then I will introduce myself.

1328
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:34,000
I am Sarah Tidecan.

1329
02:46:34,000 --> 02:46:37,000
I am with vertical arts architecture.

1330
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:39,000
I'm going to present to you.

1331
02:46:39,000 --> 02:46:41,000
Let me just see how it looks.

1332
02:46:41,000 --> 02:46:42,000
Here.

1333
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:44,000
Sorry.

1334
02:46:44,000 --> 02:46:54,000
Okay, I'm just going to give you guys a brief overview obviously you know where the project site is.

1335
02:46:54,000 --> 02:47:00,000
Just next to water side at the important junction of 12th and Yampa.

1336
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:05,000
And just to reorient everyone, I think it's relevant to the discussion.

1337
02:47:05,000 --> 02:47:12,000
The restaurant wraps the Yampa street facade as well as about 30% of the 12th street facade.

1338
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:18,000
The restaurant entrance is right off Yampa and then there in the middle is the entry to the residential units.

1339
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:23,000
You can also get into the restaurant that way and then you know.

1340
02:47:23,000 --> 02:47:32,000
50% ish of that 12th street maybe 40% is the parking garage at the back just to kind of reorient everyone.

1341
02:47:32,000 --> 02:47:41,000
We talked a lot about this last time other similar developments that are on the industry currently under construction or have been built you know for however long.

1342
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:51,000
20 years or so, but I didn't talk about this piece in our design process that I think is really important when we were thinking about the massing materials details.

1343
02:47:51,000 --> 02:48:07,000
We really did try to look to that surrounding context of historic scene boat and like what were some pivotal detailing moments materials to try to make this building authentic in a new way on the industry.

1344
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:13,000
So just to point out a few of the things that we're trying to achieve before I get into the you know changes.

1345
02:48:13,000 --> 02:48:23,000
We really wanted to follow some of these guidelines from the CDC to complement that traditional character of the district while encouraging this contemporary uses and architecture.

1346
02:48:24,000 --> 02:48:31,000
The B men's on our you know covered decks are referencing some of those old core-bling elements in downtown.

1347
02:48:31,000 --> 02:48:47,000
We've got this like heavy masonry with a true timber headers, masonry is a huge part of steamboat history and really like encouraging the western motif with timber screens and specialty kind of western motif designs.

1348
02:48:47,000 --> 02:48:53,000
And I think we're trying to really activate that street facade in different ways.

1349
02:48:53,000 --> 02:49:05,000
I don't think this was totally clear in our last presentation but that whole middle section of the yampus street facade is an outdoor patio that has these kind of opening windows and a railing that's all kind of open air.

1350
02:49:05,000 --> 02:49:15,000
So we're inviting kind of people in on the street level there while still kind of creating these mass elements that can cap off yampus street in a really important way.

1351
02:49:15,000 --> 02:49:21,000
As we know this junction is you know critical to kind of the end of that street skating.

1352
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:30,000
And these are some of those material palettes that I was mentioning really authentic to that western character while obviously being applied to a new building.

1353
02:49:30,000 --> 02:49:38,000
So we're really trying to be sensitive to call back that you know heritage and motif of downtown steamboat.

1354
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:48,000
So here's just a few other perspectives obviously it's showing this corner element that I'm going to highlight in a second and what the changes we made there.

1355
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:55,000
And then kind of looking back towards the parking off the alley off the little coups park.

1356
02:49:55,000 --> 02:50:06,000
Just to kind of also I wanted to just clarify something although the community plan and downtown plan are one item of the variance criteria you have to you know.

1357
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:07,000
For approval.

1358
02:50:07,000 --> 02:50:13,000
Through that your project is compatible with the preferred direction but you also have to not adversely impact.

1359
02:50:13,000 --> 02:50:16,000
Conforming usants and also proven acceptable alternative.

1360
02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:24,000
So I just want to you know clarify that each of our vans is individually meet all three of those things so although we talked a lot about those other plans last time.

1361
02:50:24,000 --> 02:50:33,000
That's just one component of getting staffs approval to meet the CDC you know 719 point D criteria for approval.

1362
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:41,000
So what we're asking for these vans has been supported by staff per this exact section in the CDC.

1363
02:50:42,000 --> 02:50:53,000
But we heard you like there were things that you know I think the building is mass and how to address the corner as con reference councilman Augusta.

1364
02:50:53,000 --> 02:51:06,000
The glazing and the setbacks obviously we discussed all these last time so we made some significant changes to especially this kind of front corner of the building of 12th in the amp but we really increased the.

1365
02:51:06,000 --> 02:51:24,000
Using as you can see not only on the corner massing here, but we also pulled it around kind of where the ADA ramp comes up and took down we kind of had a screen element there to allow the visibility to open up at that corner that actually allowed us to totally remove the glazing variance at the west facade.

1366
02:51:24,000 --> 02:51:34,000
And then we are also able to reduce the building by 9% FAR we eliminated the lot coverage variance and the plate height variance by lowering the building 18 inches.

1367
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:46,000
And then we also increased the setback at the corner by about 18 inches to help you know alleviate a little bit of that mass at the corner in addition to just how it feels massy.

1368
02:51:47,000 --> 02:52:12,000
So getting back to the lot coverage we went from 95% to 84% no variance needed anymore and really kind of gave some breath to that alley facade and really are activating it with a secondary entrance there allowing some permeability into that piece of the building which is also part of the CDC's recommendations relative to the alley designs.

1369
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:36,000
The FAR we almost reduced to 10% 9.6% although we are still asking for that variance related specifically to parking we're even further under you know the 200% FAR when you take out the parking so you know we did our best to really reduce the mass as much as we could at this stage and think it made it big impact.

1370
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:47,000
Additionally, this slide kind of details what we did at the corner more I think one thing that makes it feel more inviting is just taking on that parapet mass.

1371
02:52:47,000 --> 02:53:03,000
So we really were cognizant about how the public skin aeronautic with that corner I know Councilman Augustine noted kind of the rendering with the people's heads and how there wasn't that permeability so we lowered the windows still all the way down to the floor at the corner.

1372
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:21,000
We also added these awnings that wrap all the way around and all the way over to the ADA entrance that's really going to add to that pedestrian scale and like reach out and grab the public at that sidewalk.

1373
02:53:21,000 --> 02:53:34,000
And with the height we were able to lower the 18 inches so now our proposed height ranges from 37 and a half to 39 and a half essentially because it's all measured from existing grade so.

1374
02:53:34,000 --> 02:53:47,000
Without the floodplain requirement we would be able to lower the building like 4 feet and so we would be well under the height limit if that wasn't a restriction on that lowest corners so that red wedge there.

1375
02:53:47,000 --> 02:53:56,000
Diffics are main level and kind of where the high limit or sorry where the floodplain which is our main floor level but I think what's imperative to note here.

1376
02:53:56,000 --> 02:54:03,000
Is that we're not taller than water side of anything we're a little bit lower and I know that height is a four letter word like.

1377
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:20,000
We're not trying to be not sensitive to the surroundings but we feel like the ask although is you know we're still asking for 18 inches essentially we really are you know relating to the context and so you can kind of see this even more.

1378
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:30,000
And that little wedge the public experiences is you know less than 36 feet from the floodplain it's just that corner where we can't push down the building anymore.

1379
02:54:30,000 --> 02:54:39,000
Due to those you know flash flood kind of risks that are really you know we're being sensitive to.

1380
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:55,000
And with the setbacks this is something that you know remain the same from the last time except for that corner but I think something again that wasn't clear is that almost 44% of the campus three is that back over the 10 feet because of our main level patio.

1381
02:54:55,000 --> 02:55:08,000
So what we're really trying to do is align with water sides to keep you know that nice street front edge give that relief in the middle of the building activate the ground level with that outdoor patio and then create that corner element.

1382
02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:11,000
To really you know give that kind of.

1383
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:23,000
And to yamp of street and there's some you know language in the community or I mean in the CDC that talks about corner tower forms and those being considered.

1384
02:55:23,000 --> 02:55:30,000
And here's some you know street perspectives you can see how we align right with the water side of the side.

1385
02:55:30,000 --> 02:55:36,000
And the yamp of street sidewalk at that point is 18 feet wide so it's very generous.

1386
02:55:36,000 --> 02:55:45,000
Which makes it feel like water side is that back when you walk over there right because their whole outside patio area is in the public right away and so.

1387
02:55:45,000 --> 02:55:56,000
We feel like that generous sidewalk that are building you know will feel similar and scale mass to a lot of buildings that sit on these like narrower lots that didn't have as wide of a.

1388
02:55:56,000 --> 02:56:04,000
Right away on the ampah because of that you know where our property line is relative to that 18 foot sidewalk there.

1389
02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:14,000
And then as you wrap around 12 you can see we've stepped back that 10 feet where we've got our ramp and another 17 feet at our entrance to really welcome people in.

1390
02:56:14,000 --> 02:56:21,000
But that full like north area is the parking garage so that was the area we weren't able to step back at the main level.

1391
02:56:21,000 --> 02:56:26,000
But we really took that to heart and did you know generous patio's.

1392
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:29,000
The timber screening to help lighten it.

1393
02:56:29,000 --> 02:56:36,000
The lad is saying you know in the windows to try and lighten that and activate the facade with some architectural elements as best as we could.

1394
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:45,000
While still you know meeting our parking requirement that is so critical and so you know we really did try to activate the facade in different ways.

1395
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:56,000
Not just like a strip strict application of kind of like that wedding cake form but we think that this was a good improvement with the lightning of the corner and the additional set back as a corner.

1396
02:56:56,000 --> 02:57:01,000
So really what we're asking for is.

1397
02:57:01,000 --> 02:57:16,000
You know the FAR two set back experiences and the height but we think that it was you know great that we removed three variances two that specifically related to the mass of the building the lot coverage and the plate height along with the west glazing.

1398
02:57:16,000 --> 02:57:23,000
We are still asking for the east glazing which is like just because we're just like right adjacent to a building.

1399
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:32,000
And then the 25 foot increments just because our lot with this like 125 feet that can't be followed to the letter of the code.

1400
02:57:32,000 --> 02:57:47,000
So we kind of feel like those are a little bit more technical relative to the primary variances which is why separated them so ultimately we still feel that like our ask for the variances is fully justified by the existing code.

1401
02:57:47,000 --> 02:57:56,000
It's in line with the future community plans and think this would be a really excellent project to cap off the industry.

1402
02:57:56,000 --> 02:58:00,000
So that's kind of the quick but I'm here to answer any questions.

1403
02:58:00,000 --> 02:58:05,000
Okay thank you for your presentation we appreciate it.

1404
02:58:05,000 --> 02:58:08,000
We would like to go first.

1405
02:58:09,000 --> 02:58:11,000
I'll go.

1406
02:58:11,000 --> 02:58:14,000
Thank you for that presentation.

1407
02:58:14,000 --> 02:58:34,000
We talked about the floodplain last time in my understanding it's really not the floodplain it's a design and I believe the architect last time considered and say yes yes because actually lower the sealings and come into compliance which we know that was related to the plate height.

1408
02:58:34,000 --> 02:58:49,000
So we were able to lower 18 inches but because we're you know still that excess over the floodplain you know with the requirements of the ground story level you know getting underneath the full.

1409
02:58:49,000 --> 02:58:56,000
High limit was not achievable with just lowering the ceiling heights relative to remember differently.

1410
02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:57,000
Okay that's fair.

1411
02:58:57,000 --> 02:58:58,000
Yeah.

1412
02:58:58,000 --> 02:59:00,000
Beauty disagree on that one.

1413
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:04,000
And then the second question is around.

1414
02:59:04,000 --> 02:59:07,000
Let me pull it real quick here.

1415
02:59:07,000 --> 02:59:13,000
First go around you had the variance with the.

1416
02:59:13,000 --> 02:59:14,000
Lot coverage.

1417
02:59:14,000 --> 02:59:23,000
So you've covered it here that you went down from the originally proposed 95% and you're at 84% now.

1418
02:59:23,000 --> 02:59:24,000
Right.

1419
02:59:24,000 --> 02:59:35,000
And I heard you say that you were able to achieve that on the alleyway of I think 12th and the alley.

1420
02:59:35,000 --> 02:59:36,000
Right.

1421
02:59:36,000 --> 02:59:37,000
It's not it's not the alley correct.

1422
02:59:37,000 --> 02:59:38,000
Okay.

1423
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:47,000
Is that the only place or is there somewhere else in the design that you were able to also the front as we increase some of those setbacks that also reduced our lock coverage.

1424
02:59:47,000 --> 02:59:59,000
And the front is that was that part of was that part of the restaurant and the outdoor dining or any related to that it was just part of this restaurant corner here.

1425
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:16,000
There is where we were able to reduce the lock coverage, correct? Yes, okay. So the outsource case was always there before. I think it was just not called out where, you know, as being truly outdoors relative to the setback discussion.

1426
03:00:16,000 --> 03:00:28,000
Okay. So what specific is easy change for the restaurant to achieve the reduction in lock coverage? I'm just going to go back to the corner because I think that, you know.

1427
03:00:30,000 --> 03:00:46,000
Here, the reduction in, as you can see previously, like the stone masses in corner came all the way out. So we were able to reduce lock coverage in that corner by reducing, you know, by increasing those setbacks here.

1428
03:00:46,000 --> 03:00:53,000
The outdoor patio and everything is consistent with the previous proposal. Okay.

1429
03:00:53,000 --> 03:00:59,000
I think those are my two main questions for you. Thank you.

1430
03:00:59,000 --> 03:01:03,000
Okay. Other questions? Councilor Gary.

1431
03:01:03,000 --> 03:01:05,000
No, I don't have any questions.

1432
03:01:05,000 --> 03:01:07,000
Councilor Barnes. Councilor Pichino.

1433
03:01:07,000 --> 03:01:09,000
I'm good.

1434
03:01:09,000 --> 03:01:11,000
Okay. I am too. Thank you.

1435
03:01:11,000 --> 03:01:13,000
Thank you guys. Appreciate it.

1436
03:01:13,000 --> 03:01:19,000
Okay. Let's open it up for public comment. Is there anybody in the room who would like to make a public comment?

1437
03:01:19,000 --> 03:01:25,000
You're welcome to come down, state your name and address and you have up to three minutes.

1438
03:01:25,000 --> 03:01:33,000
Okay. Here comes someone.

1439
03:01:33,000 --> 03:01:37,000
Hi. Kim Haggerty. 74 Park place.

1440
03:01:37,000 --> 03:01:42,000
I don't know if you guys know, but I am very, very passionate about the industry.

1441
03:01:42,000 --> 03:01:48,000
I own 811 Yampo, which is the arm building. I'm also part owners with Phil Armstrong.

1442
03:01:48,000 --> 03:01:56,000
I was on the URA that we tried to get the sidewalks and streetlands put in.

1443
03:01:56,000 --> 03:02:00,000
The city just funded us the money for it and we were able to do that project.

1444
03:02:00,000 --> 03:02:09,000
I was also on another committee where we got part of the login tax dollars and built the park right next to boathouse and develop that entire park.

1445
03:02:09,000 --> 03:02:12,000
So Yampo is very, very, very special to me.

1446
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:16,000
And I think what Colin and Emily are doing is absolutely amazing.

1447
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:20,000
When I first did warm, well, it was sweet water.

1448
03:02:20,000 --> 03:02:24,000
That was like a project where people are like, what are you doing?

1449
03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:31,000
Then all of a sudden E3 shows up and then Carl shows up and then boathouse and then ice house.

1450
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:43,000
This project is just going to add to the ongoing amazing, which I think it's so like a eclectic and different and amazing Yampo.

1451
03:02:43,000 --> 03:02:49,000
And I just think this is going to add to that entire feel of what we've been creating for so many years on Yampo.

1452
03:02:49,000 --> 03:02:58,000
I'm 100% behind this project. I think they've jumped through so many hoops to do this amazing thing and I think that you guys should approve it.

1453
03:02:58,000 --> 03:02:59,000
Thanks.

1454
03:02:59,000 --> 03:03:00,000
Thank you Kim.

1455
03:03:00,000 --> 03:03:05,000
Anyone else in the audience want to make a public comment.

1456
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:09,000
Okay, is there anybody online? Please raise your hand.

1457
03:03:10,000 --> 03:03:12,000
There's one. Who is that?

1458
03:03:12,000 --> 03:03:13,000
Sanders.

1459
03:03:13,000 --> 03:03:19,000
John, John, you want to unmute yourself and state your name and address please. You have up to three minutes.

1460
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:25,000
You need to unmute yourself, John.

1461
03:03:28,000 --> 03:03:30,000
We still can't hear you.

1462
03:03:30,000 --> 03:03:39,000
No, still don't have any audio.

1463
03:03:39,000 --> 03:03:57,000
Okay, well, up try again. Now shows that you're muted.

1464
03:04:01,000 --> 03:04:04,000
So, so.

1465
03:04:09,000 --> 03:04:11,000
No, we still don't hear you.

1466
03:04:18,000 --> 03:04:21,000
Okay, I think we got that.

1467
03:04:24,000 --> 03:04:27,000
Okay, well, thank you, John.

1468
03:04:28,000 --> 03:04:32,000
Okay, is there anybody else online?

1469
03:04:34,000 --> 03:04:43,000
See, no one. We will close public comment and bring it back to council for the little deliberations end or emotion.

1470
03:04:43,000 --> 03:04:46,000
I actually still had some questions for Toby.

1471
03:04:46,000 --> 03:04:47,000
Okay.

1472
03:04:47,000 --> 03:04:52,000
That's okay, Toby. I want to just go back to the setbacks.

1473
03:04:53,000 --> 03:05:02,000
I think we talked about this last time, but I think it's important for you to expand or describe why we have setbacks in our code.

1474
03:05:04,000 --> 03:05:07,000
Yeah, so the just of the setbacks.

1475
03:05:07,000 --> 03:05:13,000
We believe we can let him talk.

1476
03:05:13,000 --> 03:05:15,000
I can come back and answer.

1477
03:05:17,000 --> 03:05:19,000
I got to figure it out.

1478
03:05:20,000 --> 03:05:24,000
Okay, John, state your name and address.

1479
03:05:24,000 --> 03:05:29,000
Did you have up to three minutes? Go ahead.

1480
03:05:32,000 --> 03:05:35,000
Sorry to say we don't hear you, John.

1481
03:05:39,000 --> 03:05:42,000
Almost.

1482
03:05:43,000 --> 03:05:46,000
John, we're going to have to let you go.

1483
03:05:46,000 --> 03:05:48,000
Because we still don't hear you.

1484
03:05:53,000 --> 03:05:54,000
Sorry.

1485
03:05:57,000 --> 03:06:00,000
But we got your message, I think.

1486
03:06:01,000 --> 03:06:03,000
Okay.

1487
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:05,000
Toby.

1488
03:06:06,000 --> 03:06:13,000
And Toby, when you talk about the setbacks, since we have two variances regarding setbacks, maybe dress each one.

1489
03:06:14,000 --> 03:06:20,000
Yeah, so the purpose of the intent of the setbacks, at least on the ground floor, to start.

1490
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:26,000
So that's zero feet to up to 28 feet, so that's usually about two stories.

1491
03:06:26,000 --> 03:06:29,000
Purpose of those setbacks.

1492
03:06:29,000 --> 03:06:34,000
There are 10 foot off of the front setback and there's the front setback on Yampai and 12.

1493
03:06:34,000 --> 03:06:36,000
Those are both front setbacks.

1494
03:06:36,000 --> 03:06:42,000
We believe that purpose is to provide vitality, pedestrian interest activity on Yampai street as we've.

1495
03:06:43,000 --> 03:06:48,000
We've discussed and we know Yampai street is our retail restaurant entertainment district.

1496
03:06:48,000 --> 03:06:58,000
So the purpose is to have those buildings and those uses be interacting with the with the people on the street contributing to an overall atmosphere on Yampai street.

1497
03:06:58,000 --> 03:07:05,000
So that's why we have some buildings setback or why we have a 10 foot setback on Yampai street.

1498
03:07:05,000 --> 03:07:12,000
On Yampai street in actuality, there's been a variety of projects that have been approved over the years.

1499
03:07:12,000 --> 03:07:17,000
The only reason I mention that is because there's not a lot of consistent character.

1500
03:07:17,000 --> 03:07:25,000
There's some buildings that are zero foot setback, some buildings that are 10 foot setbacks, some buildings that have activity within their building.

1501
03:07:25,000 --> 03:07:31,000
Like this one is proposing like the building at fifth in Yampai.

1502
03:07:31,000 --> 03:07:40,000
It has some activity within the building, so there's like this building, there are some walls that are at zero feet, but some patio areas.

1503
03:07:40,000 --> 03:07:46,000
And then there's other buildings like house and place that are setback 10 feet and have an open air patio.

1504
03:07:46,000 --> 03:07:51,000
So there is a variety and that's just sort of on the north side of Yampai.

1505
03:07:51,000 --> 03:07:55,000
I'm sorry if that's not the north side, but the non river side of Yampai.

1506
03:07:55,000 --> 03:07:58,000
The river side of Yampai has different zoning different requirements.

1507
03:07:58,000 --> 03:08:04,000
So not looking at that side, but looking at the non river side for character comparison.

1508
03:08:04,000 --> 03:08:08,000
So all of that contributes to the character of Yampai.

1509
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:23,000
So on this building we found our analysis found that on the ground floors on Yampai and on 12 there was some distinctions and breaking up of the architecture, some articulation on both those frontages.

1510
03:08:23,000 --> 03:08:34,000
That met the intent of those standards that allowed us to support those experiences as with acceptable alternatives by providing some of that activity.

1511
03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:49,000
Meeting the purpose of those standards. On the upper stories, again the upper stories on the front setback only again, so we're still just talking about 12th in Yampai not on the other side of the alley or the water side side.

1512
03:08:49,000 --> 03:09:05,000
To step back from the from the property line up to 25 feet. So if a building had been set back 10 feet, the rest of the building would have to be set back 15 additional feet, so total of 25 from the property building.

1513
03:09:05,000 --> 03:09:14,000
If we wanted to bring the building up and move it to zero like this building is proposed, you're sort of then going to be looking for about a 15 foot setback.

1514
03:09:14,000 --> 03:09:18,000
If that makes sense from the building frontage on the upper stories.

1515
03:09:18,000 --> 03:09:31,000
And with this building again, again, the intention of that standard is to provide some articulations and interest to reduce the mass and scale of those buildings.

1516
03:09:31,000 --> 03:09:39,000
As you're looking up, you're not feeling like you're in a large city or that those buildings are too imposing or towering over you.

1517
03:09:39,000 --> 03:10:00,000
This building on the upper stories does move in and out. There's some 10 to 25 foot distances among all of the building features. So there's some walls at 10 feet from the property line and 10 foot from the front of the building line and other features that are 25 feet or more back.

1518
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:10,000
Again, we felt that that was an acceptable alternative to that variance because it's providing some articulation minimizing the mass and scale on those upper levels.

1519
03:10:11,000 --> 03:10:25,000
And then our contextually they did make some changes to some of those to that corner as they mentioned in particular, and I think on we saw the 12 side they would have to tell you on the you have the side, but there's some glass railings.

1520
03:10:25,000 --> 03:10:39,000
For those patios, which does add some interest in articulation, it sort of visually reduces some mass, even though there is still a railing there, but a glass railing does have a different feel than the.

1521
03:10:39,000 --> 03:10:48,000
You know, a solid railing. So those those aspects of this project allowed us to find that it meets the criteria for approval.

1522
03:10:48,000 --> 03:11:01,000
And then my other question is around.

1523
03:11:01,000 --> 03:11:04,000
Did I want to talk about the massing.

1524
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:12,000
So my understanding is massing is essentially how much building you feel.

1525
03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:20,000
Understanding on the sidewalk, looking at it is not so much about how the building looks in terms of style or materials.

1526
03:11:20,000 --> 03:11:25,000
It's more about size, shape and book.

1527
03:11:25,000 --> 03:11:32,000
So let's talk about that variance across number six, the building, massing variance across.

1528
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:39,000
So that's for the mass of the building to have 25 25 increments.

1529
03:11:39,000 --> 03:11:49,000
So typically a downtown lot would be about 25 feet wide, and would have a building mass, and you see that.

1530
03:11:49,000 --> 03:12:01,000
That break up of different buildings in some 25 that increments sometimes on Lincoln, that particular standard does carry over into yampa.

1531
03:12:01,000 --> 03:12:12,000
I don't have that same type of development that has historically happened on that side of yampa and we don't have the same property wits on that side of yampa.

1532
03:12:12,000 --> 03:12:19,000
So while our standard says 20 building increment needs to be 25 feet wide.

1533
03:12:19,000 --> 03:12:29,000
It is pretty challenging to provide that because if you have a lot that is 130 feet, let's say you couldn't provide exactly 25 feet.

1534
03:12:29,000 --> 03:12:33,000
You didn't up with a five foot section or a couple of 17 foot sections.

1535
03:12:33,000 --> 03:12:41,000
And with that very specific standard, it's really difficult to achieve the the letter of that standard.

1536
03:12:41,000 --> 03:12:51,000
So what the purpose of that standard is again the intent is to sort of break up the feel of that building from a pedestrian scale and as it relates to other buildings.

1537
03:12:51,000 --> 03:12:59,000
So again, our analysis of the massing and increments on both sides 12th and yet again, that's where it's going to be.

1538
03:12:59,000 --> 03:13:07,000
Where we're talking about those massing impacts the building does have some articulation and some design within the building.

1539
03:13:07,000 --> 03:13:12,000
There are elements that show that it's broken up.

1540
03:13:12,000 --> 03:13:24,000
It's not one big large repeating face you might this is not a perfect example, but something like the jail where it's one big face and very repeating.

1541
03:13:24,000 --> 03:13:30,000
Windows that is a type of architecture, but not the desired character downtown.

1542
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:41,000
So this building does provide some increments within the building some breaking up of the field of that building some design elements and some articulation that.

1543
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:49,000
Reduce the impact of mass and scale design standards like anything else are subjective, but.

1544
03:13:49,000 --> 03:14:02,000
This one has a very specific numeric value that this project doesn't meet, but we believe that they're design meets the intent of this standard and provides an acceptable alternative to that variance.

1545
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:06,000
One last question and then done.

1546
03:14:06,000 --> 03:14:11,000
Okay, I'm being hard on the problem now in the people are you.

1547
03:14:11,000 --> 03:14:13,000
Why don't we just change our code.

1548
03:14:13,000 --> 03:14:16,000
I have a hard time.

1549
03:14:16,000 --> 03:14:24,000
Comparing will this property did this 10 years ago, this one of this, this one meets code, why are we not changing our code them.

1550
03:14:24,000 --> 03:14:25,000
We're working on it.

1551
03:14:25,000 --> 03:14:34,000
So we have recognized that we have problems and concerns on our side from the development side with our design standards, they are challenging to apply.

1552
03:14:34,000 --> 03:14:44,000
They can have some impacts on the development, but they also have some impacts on the character so while some design standards, you know, bring.

1553
03:14:44,000 --> 03:14:59,000
Some more inspiration and curiosity of the buildings, they do provide some constraints and some limitations and they are hard to achieve all of those standards and really achieve maybe some density and some mass.

1554
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,500
We're also trying to get towards because I think one thing that we are always on the lookout for is not underdeveloping a lot.

1555
03:15:09,500 --> 03:15:16,000
We have very few downtown lots or yampo lots left for development or redevelopment.

1556
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:23,500
So we also want to sort of maximize and make sure that we're achieving a good potential for our downtown.

1557
03:15:23,500 --> 03:15:32,000
So not really letting go of all of those standards too much, but we are trying to work towards some changes in our design standards.

1558
03:15:32,000 --> 03:15:34,000
We know that they're challenging to achieve.

1559
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:48,500
We're trying to, we're working for a process right now to see if there is a better way to envision our downtown on our buildings so that we can balance character, economics, you know, enjoyment, all of those things that we need to, we need to balance.

1560
03:15:48,500 --> 03:15:51,500
But it is always a trade-off, but we are working on it.

1561
03:15:51,500 --> 03:15:57,500
It's always, sometimes our wheels of government don't move as fast as we want.

1562
03:15:57,500 --> 03:15:59,500
I know.

1563
03:15:59,500 --> 03:16:06,500
And if we were to change it, that would require, not require, but we would enable public comment, though.

1564
03:16:06,500 --> 03:16:08,500
Like what's called, code changes.

1565
03:16:08,500 --> 03:16:11,500
Okay, thank you.

1566
03:16:11,500 --> 03:16:15,500
Okay. Any other questions?

1567
03:16:15,500 --> 03:16:21,500
If not, let's bring it back to console.

1568
03:16:21,500 --> 03:16:23,500
Where are we gang?

1569
03:16:23,500 --> 03:16:29,500
I'd like to thank the applicant for going back to the drawing table and coming with your best football forward.

1570
03:16:29,500 --> 03:16:34,500
Project Flee feels it looks different than when you were here a month ago.

1571
03:16:34,500 --> 03:16:36,500
I appreciate the effort.

1572
03:16:36,500 --> 03:16:39,500
I'm in favor of improving the project.

1573
03:16:39,500 --> 03:16:41,500
Okay.

1574
03:16:41,500 --> 03:16:43,500
Yeah, I just want to add in.

1575
03:16:43,500 --> 03:16:44,500
Colin, thank you.

1576
03:16:44,500 --> 03:16:46,500
And thank you for working for Toby.

1577
03:16:46,500 --> 03:16:53,500
And, you know, taking the time as a developer to go back and re-look at some of these issues.

1578
03:16:53,500 --> 03:17:01,500
And a lot of times we get developers up here who have their opinion and bring the project to us.

1579
03:17:01,500 --> 03:17:06,500
And I just, you know, really appreciate you and the community at large.

1580
03:17:06,500 --> 03:17:08,500
That was really supported this project.

1581
03:17:08,500 --> 03:17:12,500
But more importantly, you guys, we have to recognize that you took it back.

1582
03:17:12,500 --> 03:17:15,500
Made some positive changes.

1583
03:17:15,500 --> 03:17:18,500
And, you know, hopefully it'll get past it.

1584
03:17:18,500 --> 03:17:20,500
It's going to get my support tonight.

1585
03:17:20,500 --> 03:17:28,500
But I just want to make a point of saying that, you know, going back to the drawing board isn't always a bad thing.

1586
03:17:28,500 --> 03:17:30,500
And taking the extra money.

1587
03:17:30,500 --> 03:17:31,500
Thank you.

1588
03:17:31,500 --> 03:17:34,500
To go through that is going to be beneficial for the whole community.

1589
03:17:34,500 --> 03:17:38,500
And I do think it's a better building because of it.

1590
03:17:38,500 --> 03:17:39,500
Okay.

1591
03:17:39,500 --> 03:17:41,500
Thank you.

1592
03:17:41,500 --> 03:17:44,500
Councillor Garrier, Dixon.

1593
03:17:44,500 --> 03:17:46,500
I'm.

1594
03:17:46,500 --> 03:17:47,500
Yep.

1595
03:17:47,500 --> 03:17:48,500
Easy.

1596
03:17:48,500 --> 03:17:50,500
Easy for me to say.

1597
03:17:50,500 --> 03:17:53,500
I mean, I do appreciate all the changes that you have made.

1598
03:17:53,500 --> 03:17:57,500
I do think that what's come back before us is a better project.

1599
03:17:57,500 --> 03:18:02,500
I do still feel like it is pretty big in size and mass.

1600
03:18:02,500 --> 03:18:12,500
But probably not enough to say that I won't support or on the project set another way.

1601
03:18:12,500 --> 03:18:15,500
My I'm supportive of the project as it's come back.

1602
03:18:15,500 --> 03:18:20,500
So, thank you.

1603
03:18:20,500 --> 03:18:29,500
So, I never had a problem with a glazing like I got that that's just part of where the building's located.

1604
03:18:29,500 --> 03:18:33,500
What's next is a building like that was never a concern of mine.

1605
03:18:33,500 --> 03:18:37,500
I never raised it the last meeting either.

1606
03:18:37,500 --> 03:18:44,500
The one variant that I raised last time that is no longer is a lot coverage.

1607
03:18:44,500 --> 03:18:48,500
Which was achieved really by reconfiguring the alleyway.

1608
03:18:48,500 --> 03:18:53,500
And to say a part of a corner of the building.

1609
03:18:53,500 --> 03:18:57,500
But my other big concerns that the last meeting.

1610
03:18:57,500 --> 03:19:03,500
Were the variances which are now variances one overall height.

1611
03:19:03,500 --> 03:19:05,500
Two.

1612
03:19:05,500 --> 03:19:08,500
The principal building front step back.

1613
03:19:08,500 --> 03:19:10,500
Variances three.

1614
03:19:10,500 --> 03:19:13,500
The other step back.

1615
03:19:13,500 --> 03:19:15,500
Variances four again glazing fine.

1616
03:19:15,500 --> 03:19:16,500
No problem.

1617
03:19:16,500 --> 03:19:21,500
And then variance five and six five being the floor area ratio.

1618
03:19:21,500 --> 03:19:24,500
And six being the building massing.

1619
03:19:24,500 --> 03:19:32,500
I do appreciate going back and listening to what we said and trying to find ways to modify it.

1620
03:19:32,500 --> 03:19:42,500
And you did so with a lot coverage but still did not address my other concerns that the other variances.

1621
03:19:42,500 --> 03:19:45,500
We have zero step backs on two two streets.

1622
03:19:45,500 --> 03:19:48,500
We talk about vitality of a community.

1623
03:19:48,500 --> 03:19:50,500
Step backs are really important.

1624
03:19:50,500 --> 03:19:53,500
Our code is really important.

1625
03:19:53,500 --> 03:20:00,500
The floor area ratio is still I think if I remember correctly 37% above the standard.

1626
03:20:00,500 --> 03:20:05,500
It starts at the sidewalk edge.

1627
03:20:06,500 --> 03:20:09,500
The step back standards exist to get pedestrians.

1628
03:20:09,500 --> 03:20:12,500
Pedestrians bleeding room.

1629
03:20:12,500 --> 03:20:16,500
When they're walking down the amp and to prevent upper floors from moving.

1630
03:20:16,500 --> 03:20:19,500
Loom in over the street, which I appreciate.

1631
03:20:19,500 --> 03:20:21,500
The work on the.

1632
03:20:21,500 --> 03:20:24,500
Set backs are talking about work, but we're still.

1633
03:20:24,500 --> 03:20:26,500
They're so requesting a set back.

1634
03:20:26,500 --> 03:20:30,500
And the massing standard exists to ensure large buildings.

1635
03:20:30,500 --> 03:20:33,500
And we're going to be able to create that visually into human scale.

1636
03:20:33,500 --> 03:20:36,500
That respects the historic rhythm of downtown.

1637
03:20:36,500 --> 03:20:38,500
Seeing both.

1638
03:20:38,500 --> 03:20:40,500
So.

1639
03:20:40,500 --> 03:20:46,500
Those only one variance that I had considered the last sign has been removed.

1640
03:20:46,500 --> 03:20:48,500
And there are still.

1641
03:20:48,500 --> 03:20:51,500
For variance as I am very concerned about.

1642
03:20:51,500 --> 03:20:53,500
I think it's too big for.

1643
03:20:53,500 --> 03:20:55,500
That size that lots.

1644
03:20:55,500 --> 03:20:58,500
So I'm still I know tonight.

1645
03:20:58,500 --> 03:21:00,500
Okay. Thank you.

1646
03:21:00,500 --> 03:21:04,500
And I would just say that I appreciate what you've done here and making the changes.

1647
03:21:04,500 --> 03:21:08,500
I think this is consistent with the character of the amp.

1648
03:21:08,500 --> 03:21:11,500
I appreciate what you've done with the corner of 12th in the amp.

1649
03:21:11,500 --> 03:21:14,500
It's often that up and and.

1650
03:21:14,500 --> 03:21:15,500
Take the.

1651
03:21:15,500 --> 03:21:20,500
Maybe the harshness off of there a little bit and set back and whatnot.

1652
03:21:20,500 --> 03:21:25,500
And I think it adds a lot to the restaurant and entertainment area of that road.

1653
03:21:25,500 --> 03:21:28,500
So I am also supportive of this project.

1654
03:21:28,500 --> 03:21:31,500
So given where we are here.

1655
03:21:31,500 --> 03:21:36,500
As a council, I would ask for someone to make a motion.

1656
03:21:36,500 --> 03:21:38,500
Make a motion to approve.

1657
03:21:38,500 --> 03:21:39,500
Okay.

1658
03:21:39,500 --> 03:21:41,500
We have a motion to come.

1659
03:21:41,500 --> 03:21:45,500
From counselor barns a second by council.

1660
03:21:45,500 --> 03:21:48,500
For Chino any more discussion.

1661
03:21:48,500 --> 03:21:50,500
If not, I'll call the question.

1662
03:21:50,500 --> 03:21:52,500
All those in favor say aye.

1663
03:21:52,500 --> 03:21:54,500
I oppose say aye.

1664
03:21:54,500 --> 03:21:55,500
No.

1665
03:21:55,500 --> 03:21:56,500
Okay.

1666
03:21:56,500 --> 03:21:59,500
Motion passes for one.

1667
03:21:59,500 --> 03:22:00,500
Thank you.

1668
03:22:00,500 --> 03:22:02,500
Yeah.

1669
03:22:07,500 --> 03:22:08,500
Okay.

1670
03:22:08,500 --> 03:22:11,500
We're on to number nine and Dan.

1671
03:22:11,500 --> 03:22:12,500
I would just ask you.

1672
03:22:12,500 --> 03:22:15,500
So this is being postponed indefinitely.

1673
03:22:15,500 --> 03:22:19,500
What is the motion that's appropriate for number nine?

1674
03:22:19,500 --> 03:22:20,500
Motion to postpone it indefinitely.

1675
03:22:20,500 --> 03:22:21,500
Thank you.

1676
03:22:22,500 --> 03:22:25,500
With somebody like to make a motion.

1677
03:22:25,500 --> 03:22:26,500
Definitely.

1678
03:22:26,500 --> 03:22:27,500
So moved.

1679
03:22:27,500 --> 03:22:29,500
So council again.

1680
03:22:29,500 --> 03:22:31,500
Exemotion to postpone indefinitely.

1681
03:22:31,500 --> 03:22:32,500
Second by councilor Barnes.

1682
03:22:32,500 --> 03:22:33,500
All those of favor.

1683
03:22:33,500 --> 03:22:34,500
Aye.

1684
03:22:34,500 --> 03:22:35,500
Opposed.

1685
03:22:35,500 --> 03:22:36,500
Okay.

1686
03:22:36,500 --> 03:22:40,500
Number nine passes five zero.

1687
03:22:40,500 --> 03:22:41,500
Number ten.

1688
03:22:41,500 --> 03:22:44,500
A resolution approving the program contribution agreement.

1689
03:22:44,500 --> 03:22:47,500
Twenty twenty six between a local marketing district and

1690
03:22:47,500 --> 03:22:49,500
steamboat scheme resort.

1691
03:22:49,500 --> 03:22:51,500
Cooperation.

1692
03:22:51,500 --> 03:22:55,500
Mr. Millon, you're going to come down.

1693
03:22:55,500 --> 03:22:56,500
Okay.

1694
03:22:56,500 --> 03:22:57,500
That's.

1695
03:22:57,500 --> 03:23:01,500
And you have a presentation for worse.

1696
03:23:01,500 --> 03:23:02,500
I believe I do.

1697
03:23:02,500 --> 03:23:03,500
Okay.

1698
03:23:03,500 --> 03:23:15,500
I think Sarah has it here is what.

1699
03:23:45,500 --> 03:23:58,500
I think we're good.

1700
03:23:58,500 --> 03:24:00,500
Please give us your name and address.

1701
03:24:00,500 --> 03:24:01,500
Please.

1702
03:24:01,500 --> 03:24:02,500
Yes.

1703
03:24:02,500 --> 03:24:03,500
This is Bob Miln.

1704
03:24:03,500 --> 03:24:05,500
2350 Clubhouse Drive.

1705
03:24:05,500 --> 03:24:07,500
I'm currently here.

1706
03:24:07,500 --> 03:24:10,500
As the chairman of the local marketing district.

1707
03:24:10,500 --> 03:24:13,500
So Mr. Chairman and council members.

1708
03:24:13,500 --> 03:24:14,500
Thank you for having us here.

1709
03:24:15,500 --> 03:24:18,500
I'll try to keep my comments relatively brief.

1710
03:24:18,500 --> 03:24:22,500
But I think there's enough here for probably to.

1711
03:24:22,500 --> 03:24:26,500
To give us some idea of exactly what we're going to ask tonight.

1712
03:24:26,500 --> 03:24:31,500
So the real ask tonight is that you approve two agreements.

1713
03:24:31,500 --> 03:24:34,500
And I know they're both in one after the other here.

1714
03:24:34,500 --> 03:24:36,500
But they kind of are tied together.

1715
03:24:36,500 --> 03:24:38,500
So my presentation will probably kind of go.

1716
03:24:38,500 --> 03:24:41,500
A little bit in between both here is we kind of.

1717
03:24:41,500 --> 03:24:53,500
I'm going to look to get approval of the agreement between the LMD and the steamboat scheme resort corporation as well as a new agreement and IGA with the city of steamboat Springs.

1718
03:24:53,500 --> 03:25:01,500
Before I get into it, I do want to make sure that, you know, we have a minute to kind of acknowledge some of the folks here that are contributed.

1719
03:25:01,500 --> 03:25:02,500
Our LMD board.

1720
03:25:02,500 --> 03:25:06,500
We're very lucky to have an LMD board that's got so much experience.

1721
03:25:06,500 --> 03:25:08,500
Chuck Porter, who's here.

1722
03:25:08,500 --> 03:25:14,500
Jack Macken Crow, Stephen Birch, who's also on the, the Yampavali airport committee.

1723
03:25:14,500 --> 03:25:25,500
Michael fan is also on our committee and a board member and also Tom Sharp, who's been our council for I think since the beginning 21 years ago.

1724
03:25:25,500 --> 03:25:28,500
Also, we're very lucky to have the steamboat scheme resort corporation.

1725
03:25:28,500 --> 03:25:34,500
So Janet Fisher has been, you know, guiding this program since its inception.

1726
03:25:35,500 --> 03:25:37,500
Katie Brown is the vice president of marketing.

1727
03:25:37,500 --> 03:25:41,500
She's been instrumental in the marketing and the success of this program.

1728
03:25:41,500 --> 03:25:49,500
And I think all of you know, Dave Hunter, he stepped in when Rob got promoted and he's been really doing a great job working with us as well.

1729
03:25:49,500 --> 03:25:51,500
You know, we're partners with the chamber.

1730
03:25:51,500 --> 03:25:53,500
We're going to probably strengthen that partnership.

1731
03:25:53,500 --> 03:26:00,500
If this all goes through, but Sarah Leonard and Catherine Barnes have been so helpful in terms of just the administration.

1732
03:26:00,500 --> 03:26:03,500
We're going to go into this. This is a big program.

1733
03:26:03,500 --> 03:26:08,500
And then, of course, you know, the city during this process, you know, Steve's given us a lot of time.

1734
03:26:08,500 --> 03:26:10,500
Michael's given us a lot of time.

1735
03:26:10,500 --> 03:26:14,500
Dan, food's given us a lot of time. Tom, Lisa's given us a lot of time.

1736
03:26:14,500 --> 03:26:18,500
Kim Weber is always available and so Sarah, Brianna.

1737
03:26:18,500 --> 03:26:21,500
So it's a great, I think it's a great thing.

1738
03:26:21,500 --> 03:26:24,500
And I really want to also again, the county.

1739
03:26:24,500 --> 03:26:34,500
And, and with, uh, Teniel Gerber, I mean, you wouldn't see them putting 86 million dollars into a new facility if they didn't have the support of all of us that are here.

1740
03:26:34,500 --> 03:26:38,500
So it's, I think it's a classic example of a team effort here.

1741
03:26:38,500 --> 03:26:40,500
And I'll get into some of the successes here.

1742
03:26:40,500 --> 03:26:52,500
But if you think back 21 years ago, when the local marketing district was formed, we've accumulated, you know, 6.1 million dollars in reserves, which I think is probably why I'm standing here to kind of understand,

1743
03:26:52,500 --> 03:26:54,500
if you understand why that is.

1744
03:26:54,500 --> 03:27:03,500
But it comes, and, and, and it, it comes at, um, at about $290,000 a year that we've been able to manage.

1745
03:27:03,500 --> 03:27:11,500
And this reflects the two decades of discipline budgeting, um, conservative financial management and careful oversight of the air program.

1746
03:27:11,500 --> 03:27:21,500
By not just the steamboat scheme, resort corporation, not just the LMD, but as you know, we present an operating plan to the city every single year that you hold us to.

1747
03:27:22,500 --> 03:27:31,500
And so I think it's really kind of that, that partnership between the ski company, the LMD and the city that has made this so successful.

1748
03:27:31,500 --> 03:27:43,500
I really do think that we're probably could be considered the envy of of the airports in the mountains, right now, and probably there's a reason that that we could refer to ourselves as the jam here.

1749
03:27:43,500 --> 03:27:51,500
The reserve exists today because this program has historically remained below maximum contractual exposure.

1750
03:27:51,500 --> 03:27:58,500
And because both organizations have consistently prioritized long-term financial sustainability.

1751
03:27:58,500 --> 03:28:09,500
The proposed agreements are a strategic decision to utilize a portion of the accumulated financial strength to support expanded year-round destination development.

1752
03:28:09,500 --> 03:28:15,500
Initiatives while preserving a meaningful reserve for for future years.

1753
03:28:15,500 --> 03:28:21,500
The reserve should not be viewed as only a fine should not be almost only a financial asset.

1754
03:28:21,500 --> 03:28:35,500
But as evidence that long-term stewardship and partnership that have supported a highly successful destination air service program and contributed significantly to the growth of steamboat springs and the economy here.

1755
03:28:35,500 --> 03:28:45,500
So some things that I think are nice to see here is we kind of celebrate this.

1756
03:28:45,500 --> 03:28:55,500
Is steamboat right now, we have the second number of second greatest number of non-stop destinations out of our ski market.

1757
03:28:55,500 --> 03:29:02,500
So only Boseman has more destination non-stop than steamboat springs in Hayden.

1758
03:29:02,500 --> 03:29:10,500
That's pretty impressive when you look at the common more than eagle, more than Jackson, more than Montrose, more than Aspen, more than San Valley and more than Gunnison.

1759
03:29:10,500 --> 03:29:12,500
Not too shabby.

1760
03:29:15,500 --> 03:29:23,500
Let me go backwards here.

1761
03:29:23,500 --> 03:29:25,500
Sarah.

1762
03:29:25,500 --> 03:29:28,500
Thank you.

1763
03:29:28,500 --> 03:29:32,500
So, and also I think what's really important is you look at this.

1764
03:29:32,500 --> 03:29:37,500
Like we have the second highest number of airlines in pure skier markets too.

1765
03:29:37,500 --> 03:29:39,500
So you think about it, we have right now.

1766
03:29:39,500 --> 03:29:43,500
We have six of the, there's really eight airlines left in the United States.

1767
03:29:43,500 --> 03:29:48,500
We have six of them flying in here, right? Again, pretty impressive.

1768
03:29:48,500 --> 03:29:56,500
And so part of the reason that we're here tonight is also not to just realize some of the funding to make sure that we have this program continue.

1769
03:29:56,500 --> 03:29:59,500
But also to celebrate a little bit of the sick.

1770
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:20,000
So, the other thing that I want to point out is that with the stewardship of the ski company and all the hard work of Janet and her team, you look at the available seats and passengers that are coming into Hayden.

1771
03:30:20,000 --> 03:30:31,000
This interesting about this is if you look at when all the seats we were kind of pretty stable and then all of a sudden guess what, self-west decides to fly in here.

1772
03:30:31,000 --> 03:30:44,000
And self-west decided to fly in here without any MRG. And again, in typical competition, that drove down and it caused the other airlines to wake up a little bit.

1773
03:30:44,000 --> 03:30:53,000
To see them be a little bit more flexible in terms of some of their revenue guarantees and also they were willing to fly in some flights without a guarantee.

1774
03:30:53,000 --> 03:31:00,000
So that's why you see when you go look at 2021, you start to see the seats come up and the guarantee come down.

1775
03:31:00,000 --> 03:31:07,000
So that's been also contributing to our success, but competition is a good thing.

1776
03:31:07,000 --> 03:31:16,000
So before I get into the actual financial analysis, which is up here, I do want to say, so that there's two agreements that are kind of intertwined here.

1777
03:31:16,000 --> 03:31:20,000
There's the agreement with the Stembo Skin Resort Corporation.

1778
03:31:20,000 --> 03:31:28,000
And when I want to talk about here and I'll go through some of these numbers under the new agreements, so there's some changes under the new agreement.

1779
03:31:28,000 --> 03:31:37,000
In the past, the LMD and the ski company have shared all of the costs for the revenue guarantees.

1780
03:31:37,000 --> 03:31:44,000
So whether it's summer or winter, which we call non-winter now, in the split of two thirds one third.

1781
03:31:44,000 --> 03:31:49,000
So the LMD paid two thirds, the ski company paid one third.

1782
03:31:50,000 --> 03:31:56,000
And as we started to look at this and we started to say, okay, well, here's some things, the ski company said, hey, maybe we should start to look at.

1783
03:31:56,000 --> 03:32:03,000
Is this really the right, the right formula? Maybe it should be 80, 20, maybe it should be maybe only 90, 10.

1784
03:32:03,000 --> 03:32:12,000
We stopped that discussion and said, look, maybe we should start really thinking about this in two chunks winter and summer, the ski company taking continue to take on their responsibility for the winter.

1785
03:32:12,000 --> 03:32:31,000
And then this, the LMD could start to take on more responsibility of the summer, which would also play in to how we might be able to contribute to the city, some additional funds here, to be able to kind of support the summer and also free up the a little bit of the budget, the annual operating budget for the city.

1786
03:32:31,000 --> 03:32:38,000
So when we looked at that, we said, okay, so how about, so here's what's new under the proposed agreement.

1787
03:32:38,000 --> 03:32:44,000
SSRC will continue to pay 33.33% of the actual winter program costs.

1788
03:32:44,000 --> 03:32:51,000
The LMD will pay 66.7% of the actual winter costs. So the winter stays the same.

1789
03:32:51,000 --> 03:32:58,000
The big difference is the LMD will bear the responsibility for 100% of non winter air programs.

1790
03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:12,000
So, and then tied to this, in the agreement, the LMD will also assume responsibility for reimbursement to the city for 75% of the prior year non winter city chamber marketing expenses.

1791
03:33:12,000 --> 03:33:20,000
And that was a came out of some work sessions with members of the city council and the ski company and the LMD.

1792
03:33:20,000 --> 03:33:26,000
And we think that this is a fair arrangement. I'll get into the numbers in a second.

1793
03:33:26,000 --> 03:33:32,000
The LMD will also remain responsible for all administrative costs and management fees.

1794
03:33:32,000 --> 03:33:37,000
And those are kind of the key components of what is what is changed here.

1795
03:33:37,000 --> 03:33:48,000
So when you think about that, what does it actually do? So if you look, this is it, I wish I had my little pointer thing here here in my red little light light highlighter.

1796
03:33:48,000 --> 03:33:59,000
Because if you look at here, so if you look back to 2024 and hopefully everyone sees it. So if you look at that first line in 2024, the total cap, and we always budget to cap.

1797
03:33:59,000 --> 03:34:07,000
And the word cap, you know, again, has different meanings, but cap is the actual what the airline says that you can't pay a nickel more than that.

1798
03:34:07,000 --> 03:34:12,000
So that's what we budget for, and it's part of our operating plan. I think it was really wise.

1799
03:34:12,000 --> 03:34:23,000
Back when we first did, um, created the LMD, the city made sure. And I believe Tommy, it's, it's by statute that you have to budget for the full maximum exposure.

1800
03:34:23,000 --> 03:34:32,000
And that's been interesting. That's how we've been able to build the reserve. So see in 2024 total cap was 4.2 actual was 3.57.

1801
03:34:32,000 --> 03:34:37,000
It was about 84% of the, of the cap was spent.

1802
03:34:37,000 --> 03:34:44,000
Winner was 94%. So winner, of course, is our biggest, biggest exposure, summer was 44%.

1803
03:34:44,000 --> 03:34:56,000
2025, the cap went up a little bit. We actually had a great year. We only spent 3.15 million dollars, which is 62% winner was 68, summer was 38.

1804
03:34:56,000 --> 03:35:06,000
So to 2026, which were, which were in right now. So we still have to forecast the cap was 4.9 million were forecasting 3.9 million.

1805
03:35:06,000 --> 03:35:12,000
That's 80% utilization. Again, 94% winter, 32% summer.

1806
03:35:12,000 --> 03:35:24,000
And then 2027 is 4, you know, again, forecast. This is just, again, we're, we're trying to give everybody an opportunity to kind of look at the numbers to understand how these agreements,

1807
03:35:24,000 --> 03:35:39,000
and how they're ultimately going to impact the reserve. So 2027, if you say, okay, we're going to look at a 4.98 million dollar cap, look at kind of an 86% utilization, 94% winter, 44% summer.

1808
03:35:39,000 --> 03:35:50,000
So what a four year average, and a four year average, the actual, you know, is the utilization is about 78% 88% winter, 40% summer.

1809
03:35:50,000 --> 03:35:55,000
So if you now look over to the next column to the right.

1810
03:35:55,000 --> 03:36:14,000
You'll be able to see. So if you look at now, the air cost split actual versus forecast. So you can see up until 2027, which when this new agreement starts, it's 66, 33 all the way down. That's what, that's what the agreement says.

1811
03:36:14,000 --> 03:36:27,000
Now, when you shift to the new agreement, you say, the ski company is going to still pay to one third of winter, LMB is going to pay 2 thirds of winter plus 100% of summer.

1812
03:36:27,000 --> 03:36:38,000
That changes the effective split. If you go to the column that says on the right hand side, the first column after the date shows the LMB, that's the actual cap.

1813
03:36:38,000 --> 03:36:49,000
So if we had to pay the full cap, then the actual split would be 72% for the LMB and 28% for the ski company.

1814
03:36:49,000 --> 03:36:58,000
If you only pay the, you know, what we've historically done is under cap, the, the number goes to 69.4 to 30.6.

1815
03:36:58,000 --> 03:37:13,000
So it's not a huge adjustment from 66 to 33. It's just more of a shift of how that's happening from the focus on the ski company being winter and the LMB taking more on the responsibilities of this summer.

1816
03:37:13,000 --> 03:37:33,000
This is just another way to look at it and we went back a little bit farther, Janet was kind enough to pull some of this, you know, data all the way back, but you can see here the, the green line is winter summer total cap.

1817
03:37:33,000 --> 03:37:50,000
We lose how much the ski companies historically paid and the, the red is how much the LMB is paid, which again by definition would be more because the green is that we would pay 2 thirds and the ski company would pay 1 third.

1818
03:37:50,000 --> 03:37:54,000
Just another way to look at that.

1819
03:37:54,000 --> 03:38:00,000
So then how does this actually kind of impact the reserve, which I think is the most important thing.

1820
03:38:00,000 --> 03:38:07,000
Right, so when you think about what's happening right now and with the, with the city agreement as well.

1821
03:38:07,000 --> 03:38:21,000
The LMB accumulates approximately 6.1 over 21 years as I pointed out. So the beginning reserve balance, if for starting in 2027 is for successful will be 6.1 million.

1822
03:38:21,000 --> 03:38:31,000
Here's the difference, the operating change is going to be 1.4 million dollars difference in terms of our operating budget.

1823
03:38:31,000 --> 03:38:42,000
So because of the contribution to the chamber, because of the shift in the funding, because of some additional, you know, increases in our operating expenses, which I'll touch on at the very end.

1824
03:38:42,000 --> 03:38:50,000
We're going to have about another 1.4 million dollars in expenses in 27 that we did not have in 26.

1825
03:38:50,000 --> 03:38:54,000
Some of it's related to just, you know, operating costs that have gone up.

1826
03:38:54,000 --> 03:39:00,000
Some of it's related to us forecasting a little bit of a higher revenue guarantee, higher cat.

1827
03:39:00,000 --> 03:39:07,000
With everything that's gone on with fuel, etc. We don't think the airlines are going to just walk in and not have any increases.

1828
03:39:07,000 --> 03:39:15,000
And then, and then half a million dollars of it is related to the contribution to the city for the chamber.

1829
03:39:15,000 --> 03:39:25,000
So when you take that into consideration, our ending reserve balance at the end of 27 will be 4.7 million dollars.

1830
03:39:25,000 --> 03:39:36,000
We put in, we put in there, we've had discussions both with our working group with the city as well as with this this area, we put in a floor for the reserve of 4.5 million dollars.

1831
03:39:36,000 --> 03:39:45,000
Because we wanted to kind of protect as much as we could, this ability to be able to negotiate with the airlines a year in advance.

1832
03:39:45,000 --> 03:39:56,000
So if you look at the scenario for 2027 on full budget, if we had to go straight to the full cap, we'd end it in our prognostication and forecasting was good.

1833
03:39:56,000 --> 03:40:04,000
We ended 27 with $4.7 million dollars, $200,000 above the agreed upon floor.

1834
03:40:04,000 --> 03:40:15,000
We moved to 2027 forecast, that's saying, okay, if we actually be, you know, come in under the cap, which historically we do, you apply that same roughly percentage.

1835
03:40:15,000 --> 03:40:23,000
And it says, okay, we'll so we'll only be spending $821,000 more than 26.

1836
03:40:23,000 --> 03:40:28,000
And that'll leave our reserve at $5.3 million dollars.

1837
03:40:28,000 --> 03:40:36,000
Now, forecast out one more year, forecast out one more year. So three year agreement only go to 28. You say, okay, 28.

1838
03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:39,000
We're going to forecast the 5.3 million.

1839
03:40:39,000 --> 03:40:46,000
And then if we say that, you know, with everything else that happens, we're going to have an operational change of $844,000.

1840
03:40:46,000 --> 03:40:54,000
Again, the biggest chunk of that being the contribution to the city, our reserve comes in at 4.41 million.

1841
03:40:54,000 --> 03:41:04,000
And so we're right at that 4.5 level floor that we put in.

1842
03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:09,000
Okay, so here's where again, Steve told me to watch out for the slides with all the numbers on.

1843
03:41:09,000 --> 03:41:20,000
So I had to, I had to put one in here. So here's if you look at the last column on the right, and that's where I can show you some things in the highlight.

1844
03:41:20,000 --> 03:41:30,000
So you're probably asking, okay, so what is the difference? Like so before we were able to put away on average $290,000 a year into the reserve.

1845
03:41:30,000 --> 03:41:40,000
But with this new change with this new change, because we've heard enough from people like, oh my gosh, that reserve is so big. What are we doing with it? We, you know, we need to do something with.

1846
03:41:40,000 --> 03:41:51,000
We've, we've come in with a program that will give this city backs contribution for some remarketing, but it does impact the, the amount of dollars in the reserve.

1847
03:41:51,000 --> 03:42:02,000
So if you look at the yellow, what I highlighted in yellow are these are the changes that are in either the agreement with the city or the agreement with the steamboat's game resort corporation.

1848
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:20,000
So the first one is the LMDA service cost. So that goes from two thirds to 100%. So if you forecast all the way over to 27 and 28, that's roughly $352,000 more of what what what we'll have to have in our budget.

1849
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:27,000
The next thing that's in any agreement with this with this e company is the air service management agreement.

1850
03:42:27,000 --> 03:42:41,000
We're not coming together to coming to you tonight with an operating plan we will, but in the agreement, we've agreed that we will pay this e company $150,000 for the air service management agreement instead of $100,000.

1851
03:42:41,000 --> 03:42:53,000
That number has been $100,000 for seven years. I think we get an unbelievable deal with the ski company with Janet's time, how much time she and Katie and you know the the ski company put into this.

1852
03:42:53,000 --> 03:43:01,000
I mean, that's a, that's a, that's a good deal. So $150,000 or $50,000 increase over seven years, you know, we agree to that.

1853
03:43:01,000 --> 03:43:17,000
The next item is one that's got, you know, a little bit of flexibility into it. The ski company asked us if they could hire a air consultant company to help with some of the strategic planning, some of the things that we think are going to be important as we move forward.

1854
03:43:17,000 --> 03:43:34,000
And they asked us to put in $100,000. So we in the agreement, we agreed that we would look at hiring a consultant, but it would have to be agreed upon by both the LMD board and the ski company and of course then come to the city and our operating plan for approval.

1855
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:50,000
So that's $100,000 that's in there. And then the last thing that's in the yellow is the $525,000, which is the contribution, which is based off of 75% of the chambers contribution to the chamber for the prior year.

1856
03:43:50,000 --> 03:44:17,000
So this was based off of $650,000 contribution in 2026 and the $525,000 would be paid in 2027. So those are the key expenses that cause us to go from a $6.1 million reserve at the end of 26 to forecasting a $4.4 million reserve at the end of 2028.

1857
03:44:17,000 --> 03:44:32,000
That concludes my overall narrative and would be happy to answer any questions. Okay. Thank you, Bob. Anyone have questions for Bob.

1858
03:44:32,000 --> 03:44:36,000
No question.

1859
03:44:36,000 --> 03:44:37,000
I do.

1860
03:44:37,000 --> 03:44:41,000
It's really unfortunate because this is the first time I'm seeing it.

1861
03:44:41,000 --> 03:44:52,000
We have a standard where we don't get rainbow items after noon of our council meetings because many of us have time to have other jobs.

1862
03:44:52,000 --> 03:44:59,000
And so we're trying to digest this really important information on.

1863
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,000
The bill, as they're talking about it. So it's really unfortunate. But gale, if you have Councillor Garry, if you have questions, you can start.

1864
03:45:10,000 --> 03:45:22,000
Oh, sure. I mean, again, I mean, again, kind of just echoing Councillor Dickson's comments because I was trying to thank you for the red line. Again, I was trying to kind of compare in terms of what the differences are.

1865
03:45:22,000 --> 03:45:40,000
And so, you know, I think, again, you've put a lot of that in the presentation that you have. I think maybe a general question that I had is what all, what else could have, what else could have, could have the reserve has been spent on.

1866
03:45:40,000 --> 03:45:41,000
I'm sorry.

1867
03:45:41,000 --> 03:45:49,000
What could the reserves have spent on been spent on within the parameters and the operating agreement of LMD, IE transportation.

1868
03:45:49,000 --> 03:45:51,000
I know, that's one of the things that I'm talking about.

1869
03:45:51,000 --> 03:46:04,000
I'm sorry, Kit Tom, can you kind of address all the things that are that are that can be, it can be spent on and it can't be spent on.

1870
03:46:04,000 --> 03:46:14,000
So Tom, hopefully that was clear. I right, I mean, in terms of kind of the parameters of LMD, what else could the reserves have been spent on.

1871
03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:21,000
IE transportation, right, one of the things we talk about is the need for transportation between kind of the city and the airport.

1872
03:46:21,000 --> 03:46:27,000
Tom Sharp, 60 Highland Circle, singboat.

1873
03:46:27,000 --> 03:46:29,000
Thank you for your question.

1874
03:46:29,000 --> 03:46:37,000
The district is limited by two factors on what it conspend its money.

1875
03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:43,000
One of them is the statutory provisions that existed in 2004.

1876
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:58,000
And they described that the purposes of the LMD of a local market history include organization, promotion, marketing and management of public events.

1877
03:46:58,000 --> 03:47:07,000
Number one, number two, activities in support of business, recruitment, management and development.

1878
03:47:07,000 --> 03:47:20,000
And then this city added in its creation ordinance, the words, including the current and future direct air program at the Yadavali Regional Airport.

1879
03:47:20,000 --> 03:47:26,000
The third one was coordinating tourism, promotion activities.

1880
03:47:26,000 --> 03:47:34,000
Those were the provisions that were both in the statute in 2004 and in the original resolution.

1881
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:45,000
In 2022, the state legislature amended the statute to provide two additional provisions.

1882
03:47:45,000 --> 03:47:53,000
One of which was housing and one of which was, I don't remember the exact wording, was very broadboarding.

1883
03:47:53,000 --> 03:48:03,000
But in that legislation, they made it clear that you can't spend money under a prior ballot issue for attacks.

1884
03:48:03,000 --> 03:48:11,000
For these new activities, unless you resubmit it to your constituents for that.

1885
03:48:11,000 --> 03:48:25,000
So the LMD board has always taken the position, we're still restricted by what was permitted by the statute in 2004 and what the city council included in its creation ordinance.

1886
03:48:25,000 --> 03:48:36,000
Which would not include housing, which would not include transportation and which does not include capital expenses for things like.

1887
03:48:36,000 --> 03:48:40,000
Abelving, for example, those are not permitted.

1888
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:50,000
So both agreements that you're looking at this evening, those are called the permitted activities are permitted authorities.

1889
03:48:50,000 --> 03:48:56,000
Got an exact word. And both agreements say that's what we're limited to.

1890
03:48:56,000 --> 03:49:12,000
And in fact, in the reimbursement of the city in a governmental agreement, it says that you need to certify before we give before we authorize you to take from the money that you control from the LMD into the general fund.

1891
03:49:12,000 --> 03:49:26,000
That what you've given to the chamber fits this definition. So we don't have anybody coming back and saying you are now spending our entire accommodation tax money is on purposes that are not permitted.

1892
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:41,000
So the answer to your question is, we can't contribute reserves to housing. We can't contribute reserves to transportation because they aren't permitted under our authorities.

1893
03:49:41,000 --> 03:49:46,000
But so when we're working with the work the committee, the work in committee.

1894
03:49:46,000 --> 03:49:53,000
What we in because that's come up, we said, but we can by giving this contribution to the city.

1895
03:49:53,000 --> 03:50:04,000
It frees up other funds that you have that you could use for other things and that was kind of how we worked around that kind of legislative ordinance.

1896
03:50:05,000 --> 03:50:19,000
And I guess I would be interested also just to follow up in terms of, you know, and again, I mean, I think one of the things, you know, that was in the original one of the original agreements was that there was some reference to ski core committing like 2.68 million.

1897
03:50:19,000 --> 03:50:31,000
I mean, there's a, you know, a lot of changes right in here. And so trying to understand potentially to what the impact is to ski ski core right. I mean, especially as we talk about this percentage change.

1898
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:49,000
Yeah, so so if you the monetary change for this for this ski company, if you were to look at just looking at the exact monetary change forecasting out for 20, you know, for 27 in terms of their actual, you know, change here.

1899
03:50:49,000 --> 03:51:01,000
It's really not that big of a dollar amount, they're shifting from in 26 the total contribution from this key company was 1.324 million dollars.

1900
03:51:01,000 --> 03:51:18,000
And in 27 under the new arrangement, it will be 1 point, you know, again, this is forecasting and and I do, again, I go back to we've been doing this for a while with a pretty good discipline and the forecast for 27 and they would they would contribute 1.315 million.

1901
03:51:18,000 --> 03:51:31,000
So a difference of $9,000 roughly as far as they're actual total contribution for the, for the airline program with risk with risk that on that slide, I'm trying to find it.

1902
03:51:31,000 --> 03:51:37,000
No, it's not I mean, I think I can find it the numbers the numbers are there just give me a second.

1903
03:51:37,000 --> 03:51:54,000
I also carry um, and I will find where they are which which sheet they are on here because, because we've also got the change from 100 to 150,000 right.

1904
03:51:54,000 --> 03:52:06,000
And also the consultant we're hiring for an additional 100,000 so I assume that's not potentially new work maybe new work but a shift of work.

1905
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:16,000
So yeah so so I don't know if I have it actually I'm just trying to look on the sheet that I that I prepared here.

1906
03:52:16,000 --> 03:52:24,000
I don't think that this sheet shows the exact numbers that I just referenced here but.

1907
03:52:25,000 --> 03:52:27,000
That's that's the difference.

1908
03:52:27,000 --> 03:52:34,000
Causic area is that in 2026 because you just take their total expenses that they paid for the for the.

1909
03:52:34,000 --> 03:52:52,000
The guarantee it was it was you know 1.324 and the forecast is 1.315 again because their contribution is still the same for winner and winner historically is you know 80 to 90% of the total carry right.

1910
03:52:52,000 --> 03:53:03,000
So the numbers don't it doesn't translate into big dollars and and if we if we didn't change a thing we didn't change a thing with the revenue split.

1911
03:53:03,000 --> 03:53:13,000
We still becoming with the air service management agreement change of 50,000 we still be coming with the change in the consultant and we still be coming with the.

1912
03:53:13,000 --> 03:53:23,000
Marketing those are the big heavy lifts of what's changing in the agreement here the heavy lift in terms of actual dollars isn't in the change in terms of the split.

1913
03:53:23,000 --> 03:53:30,000
Just because the volume and the the winner carries so much of the way of the entire spend.

1914
03:53:30,000 --> 03:53:39,000
Okay but I think as you did say as a hundred to 150 and then you've got I don't know what's the you know the again the additional 100,000 for the consultant.

1915
03:53:39,000 --> 03:53:48,000
So so they for they propose and and I think Katie can can can speak a little bit more about exactly what they want to do.

1916
03:53:48,000 --> 03:53:58,000
Which I think is is it makes a lot of sense but again we agreed to put in the agreement with the language is in the agreement it says we'll put it in there.

1917
03:53:58,000 --> 03:54:08,000
But on the condition that the LMD board and the ski company have to approve who the consultants what the scope of work is and then we'll put it in our operating plan and come to you.

1918
03:54:08,000 --> 03:54:23,000
So there's no kind of guarantee that that's going to happen if anything it's you know it's still a discussion item, but we put in there that we would consider having a consultant and this would be the price that.

1919
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:26,000
I Katie Brown for 20 short street.

1920
03:54:26,000 --> 03:54:38,000
Yeah so this consultant seems really important to us because as we look at the long term success of this program we are bringing in this consultant to give us deeper expertise.

1921
03:54:38,000 --> 03:54:50,000
Better tools and stronger airline connections so that we can execute this model at an even higher level other amount resorts are currently using this model is matter fact most other communities are.

1922
03:54:50,000 --> 03:55:03,000
And the combinations of those resources from the ski area LMD and the consultant can give us a competitive edge that the consultant can help with right now we almost have a single point of failure managing this program with one person.

1923
03:55:03,000 --> 03:55:24,000
At antiquated excel sheets we need to evolve we need to be able to touch and to maybe potential AI technologies these consultants do this for a living they look out for new flights new opportunities to come in so we do nothing but enhance the program itself and probably even keep a better eye on it for any cost management.

1924
03:55:24,000 --> 03:55:37,000
So we feel strongly that is really a good spend and it's the future of this program because right now having it on truly almost a single point of failure at this area is probably not the smartest structure.

1925
03:55:37,000 --> 03:55:40,000
Thank you.

1926
03:55:40,000 --> 03:55:49,000
I want to just to since I used to be with the LMD I just wanted to share in context here we are kind of mixing things here.

1927
03:55:49,000 --> 03:56:12,000
Because item number 11 is really the IGA and the IGA is for us to get over half a million dollars more in our general fund that we can use how we want to use it and that's using some of the excess money that is in the reserve for the LMD so that is that by itself.

1928
03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:19,000
This other one number 10 is really the changes between the LMD and SSRC and there are agreements.

1929
03:56:19,000 --> 03:56:27,000
I know that as I look back on council I think we've approved their budgets many times on just consent.

1930
03:56:27,000 --> 03:56:40,000
I don't know I think we did a couple less couple but so this agreement changes every three years I think what's happened is that there's the changes in there you saw is who's paying for summer.

1931
03:56:40,000 --> 03:56:56,000
And the situation has evolved into their saying that the LMD is going to pay for summer the administrative fee was ski core was the same for seven years so you added up and it's probably a three percent or four percent increase a year type of thing.

1932
03:56:56,000 --> 03:57:06,000
And then that leaves the consultant at a hundred thousand dollars a year which is the other chain so those are kind of like all the all this all the shifts in that.

1933
03:57:06,000 --> 03:57:16,000
So I just wanted to make sure that we didn't convolut the the IGA piece with the agreement between ski core and the LMD piece.

1934
03:57:16,000 --> 03:57:25,000
Right okay well I think for item 10.

1935
03:57:25,000 --> 03:57:34,000
Does have the agreements so looking at the red line version.

1936
03:57:34,000 --> 03:57:40,000
What I don't know maybe Bob I can actually says it's what has been removed is that.

1937
03:57:40,000 --> 03:57:51,000
SSRC will provide a value of a minimum $2.8 million dollars of its funds on marketing of the winter air program.

1938
03:57:51,000 --> 03:57:52,000
Bob I Bob I Bob I.

1939
03:57:52,000 --> 03:58:07,000
So that's been take destiny red lines so why so so that is it's basically redundant that's in the operating plan so when we bring the operating plan every year they put in you know the what the dollar amount is going to be the range.

1940
03:58:07,000 --> 03:58:13,000
For example in twenty twenty six the operating plan included range of two point five to three million dollars.

1941
03:58:13,000 --> 03:58:24,000
So and there was more detail in there so I mean we could certainly put that back in I'm sure there'd be no but it was just more redundancy is in the operating plan it spells that out.

1942
03:58:24,000 --> 03:58:26,000
Okay.

1943
03:58:26,000 --> 03:58:35,000
And also then in the operating plan we spell out what because that if you see in this budget right here there's six hundred thousand dollars for air service marketing winter and summer.

1944
03:58:35,000 --> 03:58:48,000
For the LMD that's discretionary on our part two that's what we come to you within the in the fall with our operating plans and okay this this key companies going to commit acts and we're going to commit acts okay.

1945
03:58:48,000 --> 03:58:51,000
So I'd like to address that if yeah.

1946
03:58:52,000 --> 03:59:01,000
That was a statement three years ago that we didn't independently verify this was just a representation made by the ski company.

1947
03:59:01,000 --> 03:59:10,000
But it had some impact and in so far as the winter air programming included both the MRGs and marketing.

1948
03:59:10,000 --> 03:59:23,000
So with that being taken out because it makes fluctuate and obviously the ski corpus going to pay for winter marketing whatever it chooses to pay we can't tell them what that is.

1949
03:59:23,000 --> 03:59:34,000
We put in a provision and section one be that says in terms of our contribution from the LMD towards winter marketing not MRGs.

1950
03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:42,000
It's subject to what we as a board decide to put in our budget and what you'll see in the budget.

1951
03:59:42,000 --> 03:59:49,000
So it could be anywhere from part of 600 thousand to zero.

1952
03:59:49,000 --> 03:59:59,000
And now clerks since it's they aren't representing any more what they're going to spend in winter marketing we aren't representing any more how much work.

1953
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:10,000
So, it'll be, whatever, the public, and it's put in the operating agreement, and you'll approve.

1954
04:00:10,000 --> 04:00:16,000
Yeah, it'll be whatever we come to within the fall, and we do the operating plan one year.

1955
04:00:16,000 --> 04:00:20,000
So, we'll have that discussion when we bring the budget.

1956
04:00:20,000 --> 04:00:29,000
Okay, I always feel like this is a down question where we have an actual formal agreement.

1957
04:00:29,000 --> 04:00:41,000
That to me is more of a legal document versus what are you calling it an operating plan or I'm sorry, what do you call it?

1958
04:00:41,000 --> 04:00:44,000
They're budget operating by operating plan.

1959
04:00:44,000 --> 04:00:50,000
Yeah, like to me, I see a formal agreement as more of a legal.

1960
04:00:50,000 --> 04:00:53,000
And so, in what context are you asking me that question?

1961
04:00:53,000 --> 04:00:56,000
Oh, for the 2.8 million.

1962
04:00:56,000 --> 04:01:01,000
Because I guess the key core could technically come back when you try to negotiate the operating plan.

1963
04:01:01,000 --> 04:01:06,000
And if it's not in an agreement, we don't have any guarantees.

1964
04:01:06,000 --> 04:01:08,000
Like when I read that, I thought.

1965
04:01:08,000 --> 04:01:16,000
You know, if you read that last sentence is Tom pointed out, there's no real guarantee in there that they'll spend 2.8 million.

1966
04:01:16,000 --> 04:01:22,000
I think the last thing it said is that the last.

1967
04:01:22,000 --> 04:01:27,000
I don't mean either, you know, confirms or, you know, denies that that amount of money is spent.

1968
04:01:27,000 --> 04:01:32,000
So, the reason why it's in the operating plan is that's where the budget is and that's where you approve it.

1969
04:01:32,000 --> 04:01:36,000
So, I mean, again, I think I don't, I can't speak for the speaker.

1970
04:01:36,000 --> 04:01:41,000
Bob, Bob, keep your, keep trying to stay in front of the microphone if you can.

1971
04:01:42,000 --> 04:01:46,000
Yeah, I'll explain a little bit that 2.8 is it's a value.

1972
04:01:46,000 --> 04:01:49,000
So, it's not like we're writing a check necessarily for that.

1973
04:01:49,000 --> 04:01:58,000
For the value that you get from the spirit of what we're doing, everything we do together is to get people on those planes and get them here.

1974
04:01:58,000 --> 04:02:00,000
So, that takes quite a bit of marketing around it.

1975
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:06,000
So, there's a donation or, you know, they give in whatever that is, 5, 600, whatever.

1976
04:02:06,000 --> 04:02:10,000
But the rest of all the marketing for the airline program is on the spirit.

1977
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:14,000
And that does come to a value of at least 4.2.8.

1978
04:02:14,000 --> 04:02:15,000
You consider our database.

1979
04:02:15,000 --> 04:02:18,000
You consider this huge event we do for our airline partners.

1980
04:02:18,000 --> 04:02:23,000
We pay for everything, the lodging, the activities, the all the food.

1981
04:02:23,000 --> 04:02:25,000
I mean, it just adds up really quickly.

1982
04:02:25,000 --> 04:02:28,000
So, really, it could be pretty conservative.

1983
04:02:28,000 --> 04:02:31,000
But in a way, it kind of feels like in kind, but it's not.

1984
04:02:31,000 --> 04:02:37,000
It's our responsibility and it's in our best interest along with the LMD to make sure this program is successful.

1985
04:02:37,000 --> 04:02:38,000
Yeah.

1986
04:02:38,000 --> 04:02:39,000
It makes sense.

1987
04:02:39,000 --> 04:02:40,000
Yeah, it totally does.

1988
04:02:40,000 --> 04:02:41,000
Okay.

1989
04:02:41,000 --> 04:02:42,000
Yeah.

1990
04:02:42,000 --> 04:02:44,000
Is your question answered?

1991
04:02:44,000 --> 04:02:45,000
Thank you.

1992
04:02:45,000 --> 04:02:46,000
We question.

1993
04:02:46,000 --> 04:02:47,000
Thanks.

1994
04:02:47,000 --> 04:02:48,000
Yeah.

1995
04:02:48,000 --> 04:02:49,000
I'm sorry.

1996
04:02:49,000 --> 04:02:50,000
My last.

1997
04:02:50,000 --> 04:02:51,000
It's fine.

1998
04:02:51,000 --> 04:02:54,000
I think hard on the problem or the issue.

1999
04:02:54,000 --> 04:02:55,000
Please don't take it.

2000
04:02:55,000 --> 04:02:56,000
I'm being part on you.

2001
04:02:56,000 --> 04:02:57,000
Not a problem.

2002
04:02:57,000 --> 04:02:58,000
I'm just trying to understand.

2003
04:02:58,000 --> 04:02:59,000
Totally.

2004
04:02:59,000 --> 04:03:00,000
Yeah.

2005
04:03:00,000 --> 04:03:01,000
It's a lot of numbers.

2006
04:03:01,000 --> 04:03:05,000
But again, I think the thing that for historical, I mean,

2007
04:03:06,000 --> 04:03:11,000
it's been a successful program because of, I think, the way it's set up.

2008
04:03:11,000 --> 04:03:13,000
I mean, you've got the ski company to Allen B.

2009
04:03:13,000 --> 04:03:18,000
And then ultimately, the city's got the oversight and approval of the budget every year.

2010
04:03:18,000 --> 04:03:19,000
Yeah.

2011
04:03:19,000 --> 04:03:20,000
Okay.

2012
04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:22,000
And the reason to Steve's point.

2013
04:03:22,000 --> 04:03:28,000
The only reason I'm, I'm mingling them both is because the ski company wanted to make sure that in their agreement,

2014
04:03:28,000 --> 04:03:33,000
we documented that we were going to have this contribution to the city.

2015
04:03:33,000 --> 04:03:34,000
All right.

2016
04:03:34,000 --> 04:03:35,000
Okay.

2017
04:03:35,000 --> 04:03:36,000
One last question.

2018
04:03:36,000 --> 04:03:37,000
Sorry.

2019
04:03:37,000 --> 04:03:39,000
Why to change for the.

2020
04:03:39,000 --> 04:03:44,000
The 100% of non-winter to Allen D.

2021
04:03:44,000 --> 04:03:46,000
That's a change, right?

2022
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:47,000
Yeah.

2023
04:03:47,000 --> 04:03:48,000
That's the change, right.

2024
04:03:48,000 --> 04:03:52,000
So the thought process is the ski company is going to continue.

2025
04:03:52,000 --> 04:03:55,000
They're, you know, their focuses on the winter, of course.

2026
04:03:55,000 --> 04:03:58,000
They still, of course, they're, they're very interested in the summer as well.

2027
04:03:58,000 --> 04:04:00,000
Their primary focus is winter.

2028
04:04:00,000 --> 04:04:03,000
And then based on what we see is that there's a, you know,

2029
04:04:03,000 --> 04:04:09,000
need, because this isn't just the visitors that take advantage of this is the locals as well.

2030
04:04:09,000 --> 04:04:15,000
And we've heard many times that the locals want to see us have a more expanded summer program.

2031
04:04:15,000 --> 04:04:23,000
And so we felt this was a great opportunity to kind of make that shift right now with the, with the contribution to the city as well for summer.

2032
04:04:23,000 --> 04:04:25,000
So that was the tie in.

2033
04:04:25,000 --> 04:04:26,000
Okay.

2034
04:04:26,000 --> 04:04:27,000
Thank you.

2035
04:04:27,000 --> 04:04:31,000
I'll line there on the air service cost summer two thirds.

2036
04:04:31,000 --> 04:04:36,000
Is that the 100% number of the 2025 actual.

2037
04:04:36,000 --> 04:04:41,000
The 2025 that in the yellow line air service management.

2038
04:04:41,000 --> 04:04:42,000
Yeah.

2039
04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:43,000
Is that the 100% or is that the two?

2040
04:04:43,000 --> 04:04:45,000
No, that's a 100%.

2041
04:04:45,000 --> 04:04:46,000
Yeah.

2042
04:04:51,000 --> 04:04:54,000
And the other questions.

2043
04:04:55,000 --> 04:04:58,000
Not right now, but I guess I think this comes back to us again, right.

2044
04:04:58,000 --> 04:05:03,000
So I would love to be able to spend a little bit more time with kind of the red lines.

2045
04:05:03,000 --> 04:05:08,000
I mean, the only thing is the agreement expires June 30.

2046
04:05:08,000 --> 04:05:10,000
So.

2047
04:05:10,000 --> 04:05:11,000
Yeah.

2048
04:05:11,000 --> 04:05:13,000
TikTok.

2049
04:05:13,000 --> 04:05:14,000
It's a hit.

2050
04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:15,000
I said TikTok.

2051
04:05:15,000 --> 04:05:16,000
Yeah.

2052
04:05:16,000 --> 04:05:17,000
Yeah.

2053
04:05:17,000 --> 04:05:18,000
Well, welcome back.

2054
04:05:18,000 --> 04:05:20,000
What is your understanding of this coming back?

2055
04:05:20,000 --> 04:05:21,000
Is it coming back?

2056
04:05:21,000 --> 04:05:23,000
No, no, no, no.

2057
04:05:23,000 --> 04:05:26,000
I thought it doesn't come back for a second reading resolution.

2058
04:05:26,000 --> 04:05:27,000
It says down.

2059
04:05:27,000 --> 04:05:28,000
It's a resolution.

2060
04:05:28,000 --> 04:05:29,000
Thank you.

2061
04:05:29,000 --> 04:05:30,000
I miss that.

2062
04:05:30,000 --> 04:05:31,000
So this this won't come back.

2063
04:05:31,000 --> 04:05:33,000
Thank you for clarifying.

2064
04:05:35,000 --> 04:05:37,000
It's not that I don't want to come for you.

2065
04:05:37,000 --> 04:05:39,000
I don't know that you write exactly.

2066
04:05:39,000 --> 04:05:42,000
Do you agree with the interpretation?

2067
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:45,000
I mean, because I got a little I got a little confused, right?

2068
04:05:45,000 --> 04:05:48,000
I mean, in terms of what this what this can or can't be spent on.

2069
04:05:48,000 --> 04:05:52,000
From the perspective of not not certainly proposing housing, but from the

2070
04:05:52,000 --> 04:05:58,000
transportation, because I know you talked about kind of the statutory authority, but you also talked about ordinances.

2071
04:05:58,000 --> 04:06:04,000
So the question that you asked in that Mr. Sharpen said earlier, yes, I agree with his answer.

2072
04:06:04,000 --> 04:06:05,000
Okay.

2073
04:06:05,000 --> 04:06:10,000
So we, I mean, that could be changed, but it would require some process and it can't be changed tonight.

2074
04:06:10,000 --> 04:06:13,000
But about the people or an ordinance.

2075
04:06:13,000 --> 04:06:16,000
I would need to get back to you on that.

2076
04:06:16,000 --> 04:06:17,000
Okay.

2077
04:06:17,000 --> 04:06:18,000
It would.

2078
04:06:18,000 --> 04:06:20,000
It would take some doing.

2079
04:06:20,000 --> 04:06:26,000
I mean, council, one of the things that that again, the working group is talked with.

2080
04:06:26,000 --> 04:06:29,000
And the LMB is talk about is, I mean, ultimately.

2081
04:06:29,000 --> 04:06:33,000
The win here is to try to expand the district, right?

2082
04:06:33,000 --> 04:06:36,000
That's ultimately the win and that will generate more money.

2083
04:06:36,000 --> 04:06:38,000
It'll generate more money for the reserves.

2084
04:06:38,000 --> 04:06:44,000
This three year agreement, I think is a win win for now for now because it's three years.

2085
04:06:44,000 --> 04:06:48,000
It gives us a chance to kind of see how this new funding arrangement works out.

2086
04:06:48,000 --> 04:06:53,000
It gives you all a chance to see, you know, it's this contribution to the cities that is the right amount.

2087
04:06:53,000 --> 04:07:00,000
And it gives us time to work as a group on, do we how we would go about potentially expanding the district as Dan said.

2088
04:07:00,000 --> 04:07:04,000
It requires some, there's some political navigation that has to happen.

2089
04:07:04,000 --> 04:07:09,000
But I think that's why a three year kind of window here gives us time to do that.

2090
04:07:09,000 --> 04:07:15,000
So that in three years, by then, we'll either know that yes, we can expand the district and maybe we have, right?

2091
04:07:15,000 --> 04:07:20,000
That'll change the funding, you know, quite a bit because it'll give us more money to collect.

2092
04:07:20,000 --> 04:07:25,000
And then if not, if that doesn't work, we'll know whether this is the right split and if everything's working.

2093
04:07:25,000 --> 04:07:26,000
Right.

2094
04:07:26,000 --> 04:07:28,000
No, I appreciate that.

2095
04:07:28,000 --> 04:07:36,000
And I guess my issue more is as we look at this holistically in terms of the other potential issues that are created, that need to be addressed, right?

2096
04:07:36,000 --> 04:07:41,000
So, you know, whether that's housing or, you know, specifically from my perspective, you know, it's transportation.

2097
04:07:41,000 --> 04:07:45,000
We know in terms of getting people back and forth through the airport, right?

2098
04:07:45,000 --> 04:07:55,000
That, that's, I guess, the lens from which I was, you know, looking at this in terms of, you know, in terms of what the opportunities were there.

2099
04:07:55,000 --> 04:08:01,000
And really understanding, you know, that the ski core contribution and the impact on that.

2100
04:08:01,000 --> 04:08:05,000
Yeah, I mean, look, I think that everyone has their own kind of thoughts on this.

2101
04:08:05,000 --> 04:08:11,000
But the ski company does so much and they've been such a great partner with us in terms of just everything that we do together.

2102
04:08:11,000 --> 04:08:12,000
They really have.

2103
04:08:12,000 --> 04:08:17,000
And I think we're fortunate that we have a, a leadership team that does that.

2104
04:08:17,000 --> 04:08:21,000
But getting back to kind of the, the, the, the expansion of the LMD.

2105
04:08:21,000 --> 04:08:29,000
If we were to do that, I think that in the working group with the two attorneys present, I think we said, okay, if we did that, we would then.

2106
04:08:29,000 --> 04:08:38,000
Get the new at the expanded district under the new provisions, which would then allow some of these broader uses of the funds.

2107
04:08:38,000 --> 04:08:47,000
So that would be kind of like kind of the, but that's the, again, if I had my vision, we'd say, okay, let's try to get to where we expand the district under the new terms.

2108
04:08:47,000 --> 04:08:58,000
We get more money coming in and then we have a more flexibility on what we can do that with transportation be it the rail, the bus, whatever, but that would give us more flexibility.

2109
04:08:58,000 --> 04:09:00,000
I appreciate that. Thank you.

2110
04:09:00,000 --> 04:09:02,000
Yeah, and that is the goal.

2111
04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:14,000
I would add to that that because this contribution will be reimbursing the city for, for chamber funding, the city is already spending that is effectively.

2112
04:09:14,000 --> 04:09:18,000
Bring up money in the general fund that could be used for these other purposes.

2113
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:25,000
So it indirectly gets to, to that result of changing the permitted purposes of the, of the LMD.

2114
04:09:25,000 --> 04:09:26,000
Right.

2115
04:09:26,000 --> 04:09:29,000
Right. I totally understand that right from the potential.

2116
04:09:29,000 --> 04:09:33,000
But there's probably going to be a lot of other asks for that 500,000.

2117
04:09:33,000 --> 04:09:40,000
There could be, but the expansion piece of this is worth at least a million dollars a year.

2118
04:09:40,000 --> 04:09:41,000
Roughly.

2119
04:09:41,000 --> 04:09:44,000
And so that changes, that's a new LMD.

2120
04:09:44,000 --> 04:09:51,000
So that changes the rules too. So that would be another discussion at that point.

2121
04:09:51,000 --> 04:09:59,000
But for right now, we're getting, you know, an extra 5,600,000 dollars and you're right.

2122
04:09:59,000 --> 04:10:04,000
Console will decide where it goes.

2123
04:10:04,000 --> 04:10:06,000
Thank you.

2124
04:10:06,000 --> 04:10:08,000
Thank you.

2125
04:10:08,000 --> 04:10:12,000
Okay. Where are we gang?

2126
04:10:12,000 --> 04:10:14,000
Probably public comment.

2127
04:10:14,000 --> 04:10:17,000
Yeah. Are you done questions? We done.

2128
04:10:17,000 --> 04:10:18,000
Okay.

2129
04:10:18,000 --> 04:10:19,000
Thank you.

2130
04:10:19,000 --> 04:10:22,000
Is there anyone in the room who would like to make a public comment on this?

2131
04:10:22,000 --> 04:10:24,000
Please come down.

2132
04:10:24,000 --> 04:10:30,000
Is there anybody online raise your hand? Would you like to make a public comment?

2133
04:10:30,000 --> 04:10:32,000
Seeing none hearing none.

2134
04:10:32,000 --> 04:10:33,000
We will close public comment.

2135
04:10:33,000 --> 04:10:39,000
Bring it back to council for emotion or further discussion.

2136
04:10:39,000 --> 04:10:42,000
Council of machino, I see you've lit up over there.

2137
04:10:42,000 --> 04:10:44,000
Would you like to make a comment?

2138
04:10:44,000 --> 04:10:45,000
No, no.

2139
04:10:45,000 --> 04:10:48,000
I just, yeah, I mean, I just wanted to follow up with where we are in this.

2140
04:10:48,000 --> 04:10:56,000
Yeah, I've been pulled into these conversations with the LMD board probably the last six months.

2141
04:10:56,000 --> 04:11:01,000
And this, this move was a very good gesture.

2142
04:11:01,000 --> 04:11:09,000
And I think it really helps out getting us focused on the chamber funding, which we've been kind of working with them on.

2143
04:11:09,000 --> 04:11:17,000
So these minor changes we did talk about the three year as a good pilot program, so we can evaluate it for both sides.

2144
04:11:17,000 --> 04:11:24,000
And so I'm in approval of this project going through it.

2145
04:11:24,000 --> 04:11:25,000
Thank you.

2146
04:11:25,000 --> 04:11:27,000
Do we have to do both separately?

2147
04:11:27,000 --> 04:11:28,000
Probably.

2148
04:11:28,000 --> 04:11:29,000
Yes, please.

2149
04:11:29,000 --> 04:11:30,000
There's several.

2150
04:11:30,000 --> 04:11:32,000
Yes.

2151
04:11:32,000 --> 04:11:34,000
Okay.

2152
04:11:34,000 --> 04:11:36,000
So it makes sense to me.

2153
04:11:36,000 --> 04:11:42,000
It's unfortunate that you all had to suffer through my.

2154
04:11:42,000 --> 04:11:46,000
Some frustration trying to understand it.

2155
04:11:46,000 --> 04:11:49,000
So I just ask council and Tom.

2156
04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:55,000
Please make the commitment to get the material before Tuesday.

2157
04:11:55,000 --> 04:11:57,000
So we have a chance to review it.

2158
04:11:57,000 --> 04:12:01,000
And the red lines version based on the summer sheet.

2159
04:12:01,000 --> 04:12:05,000
I had no idea that there were those other changes in the.

2160
04:12:05,000 --> 04:12:07,000
I'm in the.

2161
04:12:07,000 --> 04:12:17,000
I'm fine with them, but it's not fair to them to have me have to sit here and work through it up here when I should have been, you know, got that earlier.

2162
04:12:17,000 --> 04:12:18,000
That's it, make it.

2163
04:12:18,000 --> 04:12:20,000
You make a relevant point in a good one.

2164
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:21,000
Thank you.

2165
04:12:21,000 --> 04:12:22,000
Vice, apart.

2166
04:12:22,000 --> 04:12:28,000
Okay, what's up, will you like to make a motion.

2167
04:12:28,000 --> 04:12:29,000
Motion to approve as.

2168
04:12:29,000 --> 04:12:31,000
I am 10.

2169
04:12:31,000 --> 04:12:32,000
Okay.

2170
04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:34,000
We have motion from council to Dixon to we have a second.

2171
04:12:34,000 --> 04:12:43,000
Second, by Councillor Barnes, all of those in favor say aye, I pose motion passes, five zero.

2172
04:12:43,000 --> 04:12:50,000
Okay, next one, number 11, a resolution of proving the amendment of the 2017 IGA between the city of

2173
04:12:50,000 --> 04:12:52,000
King Boat Springs.

2174
04:12:52,000 --> 04:12:55,000
Is that?

2175
04:12:55,000 --> 04:12:57,000
Can I hear some?

2176
04:12:57,000 --> 04:12:58,000
You did.

2177
04:12:58,000 --> 04:12:59,000
You're hearing voices.

2178
04:12:59,000 --> 04:13:02,000
Okay, a resolution of proving the I don't doubt it.

2179
04:13:02,000 --> 04:13:06,000
A resolution of proving the amendment of the 2017 IGA between the city of

2180
04:13:06,000 --> 04:13:13,000
Steam Boat Springs and this Steam Boat Springs local marketing district.

2181
04:13:13,000 --> 04:13:17,000
Is there any more to say from you Dan or Kim about this one?

2182
04:13:17,000 --> 04:13:21,000
I don't have anything to add to that discussion, but of course, I'm here for questions.

2183
04:13:21,000 --> 04:13:22,000
Okay.

2184
04:13:22,000 --> 04:13:29,000
So this is this is the three year pilot around 75% of the previous year's

2185
04:13:29,000 --> 04:13:37,000
Chamber of Funds will be generated and by the LMD.

2186
04:13:37,000 --> 04:13:40,000
Do we have any questions?

2187
04:13:40,000 --> 04:13:45,000
Anybody in the room want to make public comment regarding this one?

2188
04:13:45,000 --> 04:13:46,000
Anybody online?

2189
04:13:46,000 --> 04:13:48,000
Please raise your hand.

2190
04:13:48,000 --> 04:13:50,000
See, none will close private comment.

2191
04:13:50,000 --> 04:13:54,000
Bring it back to council for emotion or deliberations.

2192
04:13:54,000 --> 04:13:55,000
Motion to approve.

2193
04:13:55,000 --> 04:13:58,000
We got a motion from Councillor Barnes.

2194
04:13:58,000 --> 04:13:59,000
Second.

2195
04:13:59,000 --> 04:14:00,000
Second from Councillor Dixon.

2196
04:14:00,000 --> 04:14:02,000
All those in favor say aye.

2197
04:14:02,000 --> 04:14:03,000
Aye.

2198
04:14:03,000 --> 04:14:04,000
Opposed.

2199
04:14:04,000 --> 04:14:06,000
Motion passes five zero.

2200
04:14:06,000 --> 04:14:08,000
Thank you very much.

2201
04:14:08,000 --> 04:14:11,000
Thanks all.

2202
04:14:11,000 --> 04:14:12,000
Okay.

2203
04:14:12,000 --> 04:14:17,000
We're moving on to item 13.

2204
04:14:18,000 --> 04:14:20,000
Resolution of polling.

2205
04:14:20,000 --> 04:14:23,000
The planning director's decision of legal non-conforming use.

2206
04:14:23,000 --> 04:14:29,000
Abandonment related to PL202 20343 and denying the associate appeal.

2207
04:14:29,000 --> 04:14:32,000
Rebecca.

2208
04:14:32,000 --> 04:14:33,000
Good evening.

2209
04:14:33,000 --> 04:14:34,000
Rebecca Bassie.

2210
04:14:34,000 --> 04:14:35,000
Playing director.

2211
04:14:35,000 --> 04:14:38,000
I'm just going to share my screen.

2212
04:14:47,000 --> 04:14:49,000
Thank you.

2213
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:13,680
Okay. I have a short presentation. This appeal is a little bit different than some of the others

2214
04:15:13,680 --> 04:15:18,520
that you've heard in the past. And then I believe that there is someone here representing the

2215
04:15:18,520 --> 04:15:26,500
property owner either online and or in person. Okay. So, this property is located in over

2216
04:15:26,500 --> 04:15:33,620
the zone B3. That's one of the restricted or yellow zones. And so to be eligible and to maintain

2217
04:15:33,620 --> 04:15:40,260
eligibility for a short term rental license, the property has to have been

2218
04:15:40,260 --> 04:15:46,900
roughly used as a vacation rental prior to June 15th, 2022. And that legal non-conforming

2219
04:15:46,900 --> 04:15:55,060
status use status has to be maintained over time and must not be abandoned. And we use the

2220
04:15:55,060 --> 04:16:02,660
STR license and renewal process to request information from the Apple can to demonstrate

2221
04:16:02,660 --> 04:16:10,020
that that status has been maintained and that their eligibility for an STR license continues.

2222
04:16:12,580 --> 04:16:20,820
So, this section of code 103D2, this is what you're pretty familiar with. This is the section of code that

2223
04:16:20,900 --> 04:16:28,820
states that a legal non-conforming use shall be terminated immediately upon certain circumstances.

2224
04:16:28,820 --> 04:16:36,820
So, all prior appeals have come before you, per this section 103D2, in which the short term rental

2225
04:16:36,820 --> 04:16:42,740
use was abandoned or discontinued for a period of 12 consecutive months, regardless of any intent

2226
04:16:42,740 --> 04:16:49,300
to resume operation of the use. This section of the code is applicable in this case. There's also

2227
04:16:49,300 --> 04:16:54,900
a second section of code that is applicable in this case and you have not seen an appeal per this

2228
04:16:54,900 --> 04:17:05,140
section prior to this evening. So, section 103D is the portion of the CDC that speaks to termination

2229
04:17:05,140 --> 04:17:12,180
of legal non-conforming use status. There are five circumstances by which legal non-conforming status

2230
04:17:12,180 --> 04:17:18,580
terminates. One is that abandonment clause that you saw on the prior slide. The second that applies

2231
04:17:18,900 --> 04:17:27,060
the evening's case is 103D5, which speaks to damage to the structure that houses the legal

2232
04:17:27,060 --> 04:17:33,460
non-conforming use. So, I'll go through this language and how it does or doesn't apply to this situation

2233
04:17:34,180 --> 04:17:43,060
in a couple of slides. The relevant dates that pertain to this case are summarized here. So,

2234
04:17:43,060 --> 04:17:51,940
the property was registered as legally not conforming in December of 22. SCR license was issued

2235
04:17:51,940 --> 04:18:02,820
in 2023 and renewed in 2024 and 2025. Noted in red are the last documented SCR stay that occurred in

2236
04:18:02,820 --> 04:18:10,580
2024 that ended on October 27th and then you'll see the first the next documented stay or first

2237
04:18:10,580 --> 04:18:18,420
documents stay that occurred in 2025. Didn't occur until December 13th of 25. So, that obviously exceeds

2238
04:18:18,420 --> 04:18:23,460
that 12-month period. So, that's the first criteria by which we determine that the legal non-conforming

2239
04:18:23,460 --> 04:18:32,660
use status terminated was that abandonment clause of over 12 consecutive months. Noted in orange are the

2240
04:18:32,660 --> 04:18:40,180
dates that are relevant to that second criteria that we've applied to this case. Part of the property owner,

2241
04:18:40,180 --> 04:18:48,740
the property suffered some water damage on November 15th of 2024 and the repair of that damage

2242
04:18:48,740 --> 04:18:56,100
was not completed until December of 2025 and that time period also exceeds 12 months and I'll walk you through

2243
04:18:56,100 --> 04:19:02,580
that in a little more detail. So, again, that first section that you're pretty familiar with,

2244
04:19:03,460 --> 04:19:12,020
there was 12 consecutive months gap in short-term rental occurrences and so per section 103D2,

2245
04:19:12,020 --> 04:19:19,780
we have determined that the use was abandoned because of that gap in use. Our finding is also based on

2246
04:19:19,780 --> 04:19:29,940
this second criteria that 105, I'm sorry, 103D5 and I'll walk you through this. So, that's the

2247
04:19:29,940 --> 04:19:36,900
section that speaks to damage to the structure that houses a legal non-conforming use. There are

2248
04:19:36,900 --> 04:19:45,540
two parts to this section. So, it's there's two criteria and these are or statements. So, they don't both

2249
04:19:45,540 --> 04:19:54,420
have to be met. Only one has to be met for this section to apply. So, the first is that the first

2250
04:19:54,420 --> 04:20:03,060
would say that the legal non-conforming status terminates if the structure housing that use is damaged

2251
04:20:03,060 --> 04:20:08,980
and that damage exceeds 50% of the current reconstruction costs. Per the information that we receive

2252
04:20:08,980 --> 04:20:15,700
from the property owner, the repair costs totaled about $130,000 in so staff does not believe that that

2253
04:20:16,260 --> 04:20:24,180
amount exceeds the 50% of the current reconstruction costs of that property. So, that first part of

2254
04:20:24,180 --> 04:20:30,900
this, that first test is not met and so we do not believe that the legal non-conforming use would

2255
04:20:30,900 --> 04:20:36,420
terminate under that first test. The second test is that second bullet on the bottom of the slide which

2256
04:20:36,420 --> 04:20:45,140
states that the damage to the structure is not restored within 12 months. So, this is not in addition to

2257
04:20:45,140 --> 04:20:54,100
the 50% 50% test. This is a separate test. The repair was completed 13 months after the damage and

2258
04:20:54,100 --> 04:21:01,060
so per section 103d5, we have determined that the legal non-conforming use terminated as the

2259
04:21:01,060 --> 04:21:07,060
structure was damaged and not restored within that 12 month reconstruction time period.

2260
04:21:09,220 --> 04:21:14,260
The code does include a provision that would authorize the planning direction to grant an extension

2261
04:21:14,260 --> 04:21:20,820
to that 12 month restoration time period. This is also a two-part test and this is these are

2262
04:21:20,820 --> 04:21:27,300
and statements. So, both of these have to be true for this to apply. So, the code states that we can grant

2263
04:21:27,300 --> 04:21:33,860
an extension to the 12 month restoration time period. If we find that the structure is of a large scale

2264
04:21:35,220 --> 04:21:42,100
and requires changes to comply with the building code. It goes on to state that the building, a building

2265
04:21:42,100 --> 04:21:49,060
permit application has to be applied for a permit has to be obtained within 12 months and the only

2266
04:21:49,060 --> 04:21:54,260
changes that can be made to the structure are those that are needed to comply with the building code.

2267
04:21:55,220 --> 04:22:01,700
This particular property, the structure that was damaged is about 1,500 square feet and the only

2268
04:22:01,700 --> 04:22:08,740
building permit that was issued for this property in this time period was to install an electric vehicle

2269
04:22:08,740 --> 04:22:15,140
charger in the garage. So, based on that, I don't believe that they meet the

2270
04:22:15,700 --> 04:22:22,740
qualifications for an extension of that 12 month restoration time period. So, based on those

2271
04:22:22,740 --> 04:22:31,540
two sections of code, 103, D1 and 5, we have determined that the status of the legal non-conforming

2272
04:22:31,540 --> 04:22:40,580
use has terminated. I am happy to answer any questions. Thank you. I just thought of one of the

2273
04:22:40,580 --> 04:22:46,500
things. You all did receive some public comment late today. I did reply to council

2274
04:22:48,500 --> 04:22:53,140
to provide some context of that comment. I'm happy to speak to that. I know that probably came out

2275
04:22:53,140 --> 04:22:57,540
to you all pretty late in the day. I think it was after three o'clock. So, happy to answer any

2276
04:22:57,540 --> 04:23:03,540
questions that you have for regard to that comment. And are you saying is the appellant here in the room?

2277
04:23:03,540 --> 04:23:09,140
I believe there's a representative. Meredith was intending to be online. I don't know. She's in

2278
04:23:09,140 --> 04:23:12,980
a different time zone. I know it was going to be really late for her. But I think she also said

2279
04:23:12,980 --> 04:23:18,580
somebody would be here in person to represent online if you can hear me. Oh, great. Okay. Would you like to

2280
04:23:18,580 --> 04:23:26,500
hear from your palant now before I see questions? Okay. Can you unmute and share your name in address?

2281
04:23:27,220 --> 04:23:36,900
And you have 15 up to 15 minutes. Okay. Are you able to hear me? Yes. Okay. I'm Meredith from Z. You said

2282
04:23:36,900 --> 04:23:46,900
address is a 3365 Sky Valley Drive in steamboat 80487. So, we're going to go ahead and just kind of,

2283
04:23:46,900 --> 04:23:52,340
I wanted to, owner was not able to be here for this. She's on the east coast and this is way past her

2284
04:23:52,340 --> 04:23:58,180
bedtime. So, she's having me read a letter for you all that was from her to sort of introduce her as a

2285
04:23:58,180 --> 04:24:04,260
person and kind of give you a little bit of her person, her involvement in steamboat. First of all,

2286
04:24:04,260 --> 04:24:08,500
this is so starting to rehearse. First of all, thank you for your service to the community. I've

2287
04:24:08,500 --> 04:24:13,220
done time on the school board and also know how important and difficult the work can be. I would like to tell

2288
04:24:13,220 --> 04:24:19,780
you how and why we chose steamboat is a second home and perhaps one day our residents. 1962, my parents

2289
04:24:19,780 --> 04:24:24,820
took our family on a cross country driving trip to see national parks, national natural wonders

2290
04:24:24,820 --> 04:24:29,460
and the Seattle World's Fair. We spent at night at the Ravidiers Motel, adventure to cross the street

2291
04:24:29,460 --> 04:24:34,500
to the hot springs. I left town with a bandana skirt from FM light and a town map now framed

2292
04:24:34,500 --> 04:24:41,380
on the wall of 1160 Nature's Lane. I had found memories as well. In 2010, when our niece was married

2293
04:24:41,380 --> 04:24:46,500
on the front-range family gathered, we then invited our young adult children and our daughter's boyfriend

2294
04:24:46,500 --> 04:24:51,300
now, our son-in-law to steamboat for a week. We biked to the ramp of visited both hot springs, shop,

2295
04:24:51,300 --> 04:24:56,500
dined out and generally loved being in the town again. In 2017, when it became clear that our

2296
04:24:56,500 --> 04:25:00,740
Vermont race children were permanently settled on the front-range, both married to Colorado

2297
04:25:00,740 --> 04:25:06,340
and we wanted a place where the family could gather to ski, visit and be together. We bought 1160 Nature's Lane.

2298
04:25:06,340 --> 04:25:11,540
Why did we choose steamboat? It made us think of our community in Vermont. Yes, there was there. Yes,

2299
04:25:11,540 --> 04:25:16,740
there was skiing but also a town rich with robust culture, non-profits, the incredible library

2300
04:25:16,740 --> 04:25:22,180
in a rich history. I've served on boards including Hungerfree Vermont and Burlington's community

2301
04:25:22,180 --> 04:25:28,020
mental, a health agency. John, her husband, is devoted, is a devoted, retiree, and we get it.

2302
04:25:28,020 --> 04:25:32,820
Community works when people contribute. We saw and see steamboat as a similar place. We support,

2303
04:25:32,820 --> 04:25:38,660
financially, a number of non-profits in town, those are our values. Meanwhile, my husband was still working

2304
04:25:38,660 --> 04:25:44,500
part-time in 2017 and we immersed in our Vermont lives. It made sense to rent nature's Lane

2305
04:25:45,380 --> 04:25:49,460
as we would only be there a few months each year, at least for a while. We figured out one day

2306
04:25:49,460 --> 04:25:53,940
we might migrate to steamboat where we thought we would fit in. In recent years, despite our two

2307
04:25:53,940 --> 04:25:58,660
children and poor grandchildren in Colorado, my mother and her late 90s lived independently in Vermont

2308
04:25:59,620 --> 04:26:03,940
with a fair amount of support from her two children. There was no way John and I were leaving Vermont and my

2309
04:26:03,940 --> 04:26:10,580
mother behind. On November 15th, the same day that this water damage occurred after we could

2310
04:26:10,580 --> 04:26:17,460
hospice care. My mother breathed her last at 9 a.m., we were with her, of course, a 12-5 p.m. that day.

2311
04:26:17,460 --> 04:26:22,660
I received an urgent email from Retreatia. Basically, I won't read that whole message, but

2312
04:26:22,660 --> 04:26:28,020
alerting them as to what had happened, which was a fridge line or a freezer line had been hooked up

2313
04:26:28,020 --> 04:26:32,820
despite the fact that the owner is specifically told the property management company to never hook up

2314
04:26:32,820 --> 04:26:40,660
that line. It was hooked up and then basically two weeks later they came back and there was water flooding

2315
04:26:40,980 --> 04:26:46,740
out the front door, so that was kind of the way that, in that that point, service master was called

2316
04:26:48,740 --> 04:26:55,060
a mislimitation. So they were at that service master was at the house through December the final billing

2317
04:26:55,060 --> 04:27:00,580
data January 2nd, 2025. It was only at this point that we had our document of destruction to present

2318
04:27:00,580 --> 04:27:06,100
to our insurance company more weeks to lapse before the HOA insurance agreed to fund at least some

2319
04:27:06,100 --> 04:27:11,140
other reconstruction. Meredith Rumsie sent you a copy of the service master report, which was in

2320
04:27:11,140 --> 04:27:16,420
the original reports. Um, with scores of photographs, the invoice only part of which was covered

2321
04:27:16,420 --> 04:27:22,420
by insurance was more than $46,000. I believe that that invoice was sent also, which it was.

2322
04:27:22,420 --> 04:27:26,260
Meredith also provided the city with a list of bookings for the house from the date of the

2323
04:27:26,260 --> 04:27:31,620
November flood into at least March of 2025. But of course, there was no house to rent.

2324
04:27:31,700 --> 04:27:36,260
Blaps and renters was due to the fact that there was no habitable house, not because we chose to

2325
04:27:36,260 --> 04:27:42,980
renovate our home. In January of 2025, we hired Roggen, a Robin Higgenbatham, a general contractor,

2326
04:27:42,980 --> 04:27:46,500
Robin will attend the hearing tonight. She will be able to tell you about the rebuilding process

2327
04:27:46,500 --> 04:27:51,220
in our house. My understanding is that if we are being penalized due to the lack of permits,

2328
04:27:51,220 --> 04:27:55,860
if Roggen, who has a business in steamboat for some years, was a one-aware of the requirement,

2329
04:27:55,860 --> 04:28:00,660
it seemed inappropriate that we should be victims of this lapse. We certainly hope that our STR

2330
04:28:00,740 --> 04:28:04,740
licensed will be restored. We are now spending more time and steamboat when we have not migrated full

2331
04:28:04,740 --> 04:28:10,340
time. The family has been living in Vermont since 1770. It's not a small thing to consider leaving here.

2332
04:28:10,340 --> 04:28:16,660
Thank you again for your time. So that's an introduction of Elizabeth's sort of my main points in this,

2333
04:28:16,660 --> 04:28:23,060
or really that issue before city council is whether this owner abandoned her legal non-conforming STR use.

2334
04:28:23,060 --> 04:28:28,500
The non-conforming use was never abandoned nor was there an intent to abandon it in the first place.

2335
04:28:28,580 --> 04:28:32,820
This was a temporary interruption caused by circumstances outside of the owner's control

2336
04:28:32,820 --> 04:28:38,740
when the property, but coming physically unhabitable due to catastrophic water damage caused by a third

2337
04:28:38,740 --> 04:28:44,020
party. The evidence shows she spent approximately $130,000 restoring the property,

2338
04:28:44,020 --> 04:28:48,660
maintained insurance and ownership, canceled existing reservations because the home was unhabitable

2339
04:28:48,660 --> 04:28:53,780
and relisted the property as soon as it could be occupied. Those actions demonstrate continuous

2340
04:28:53,780 --> 04:28:59,380
effort to preserve the use not abandon it. I went ahead and put together a timeline of what I saw

2341
04:28:59,380 --> 04:29:05,940
were kind of the most important dates off the bat here and basically talking about the purchase in

2342
04:29:05,940 --> 04:29:14,340
2017 that you all do have a copy of that timeline also. So it was basically 1030 is when the

2343
04:29:14,340 --> 04:29:20,740
October 30th, 2024 is when that line was hooked up. November 15th is when it was reported to the owner

2344
04:29:20,740 --> 04:29:26,740
that there was a flood due to that hooking up with a line that shouldn't have been hooked up.

2345
04:29:26,740 --> 04:29:32,900
There was a guest booking from the 15th of November to the 24th that had to be canceled obviously because

2346
04:29:32,900 --> 04:29:38,980
the home was not habitable and at that point the company, the property manager went ahead and

2347
04:29:38,980 --> 04:29:44,820
canceled all the bookings for the rest of the entire winter. At that I was under the impression that

2348
04:29:44,900 --> 04:29:52,980
last booking was 1231-2024 based on retreatias lists that they gave me but the owner just told me

2349
04:29:52,980 --> 04:29:58,500
there were also ones in March that were canceled in addition. So on January 2nd service

2350
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:24,000
And then on the 17th of January is when the contract starts between Robin with our Homes for the remediation process. Robin has outlined a detailed timeline, also that we submitted earlier today for the actual, like, how long the process took in the previous meeting with the planning commission, they very much questioned why the process took so long.

2351
04:30:24,000 --> 04:30:38,000
And so Robin's gone ahead and laid that out in terms of much of that, once again, being outside of the owner's control, outside of our control would just how contractors and shipping, et cetera, mail works to seem.

2352
04:30:38,000 --> 04:30:52,000
On January 22nd, that was the unsolvable on salvageable contents report submitted by service master on February 12th was after the insurance approval delays, that's a rough date.

2353
04:30:52,000 --> 04:31:06,000
Robin with our Homes was able to start the remediation process. So even just right there from November 15th to February 12th, it was all just red tape and trying to get the process going as quickly as possible being held up by insurance.

2354
04:31:06,000 --> 04:31:17,000
It's et cetera. So on in June, Robin signed on with my company on the owner of vacation rental code in steamboat, stating that she wanted to, you know, get the property going as soon as it was ready.

2355
04:31:17,000 --> 04:31:30,000
So we started getting the ball rolling on our end there on at 828. It was finally ready for photos. So we got in their right away took photos and had it listed within a little over a week of that point in time.

2356
04:31:30,000 --> 04:31:38,000
We had our first booking came in just a week after that on September 15th. The booking was made.

2357
04:31:38,000 --> 04:31:47,000
The state dates were not until February, but what we did knowing that we wanted to get it booked as soon as possible. We offered a 20% discount for the first six guests.

2358
04:31:47,000 --> 04:32:04,000
But you know, we're, it's out of our control is to when the guests are going to come stay. You know, so they booked first one was booked on 915 on 1031 was when the project closing date was with Robin on then on 1213 was when the first guest was in house.

2359
04:32:04,000 --> 04:32:16,000
But that one was booked back on November 7th. So number one had the original reservations that were planned in house not have had to have been canceled because of the flood.

2360
04:32:16,000 --> 04:32:33,000
There would have never been a year long gap. In addition, even with the canceled bookings, we still had our first booking booked on September 15th. So once again our argument is that it was not abandoned at all for 12 month time period.

2361
04:32:33,000 --> 04:32:50,000
I'd like to give I know that the time here is dwindling down. So I would like to give Robin an opportunity to kind of talk through quickly the process or the her timeline there to say like some of the things that were hold up and Robin is there in house.

2362
04:32:50,000 --> 04:32:59,000
Hi, how are you? Robin Hagenbatham, 1350 Blue Sage Drive, steamboat.

2363
04:32:59,000 --> 04:33:14,000
Was the project manager on this project? I would like to say that I typically do not have to pull any permits from the building department for the scope of work that I had performed.

2364
04:33:14,000 --> 04:33:24,000
Kitchen mostly cosmetic. The flood was from an appliance being the freezer being turned on and causing damage.

2365
04:33:24,000 --> 04:33:36,000
Several factors came in as we've heard time and time over again this evening along construction takes and you know budgets and dealing with insurance and getting approvals and whatnot.

2366
04:33:36,000 --> 04:33:51,000
So when I entered into the project in November service master. I'm sorry in December service master had already come in and performed mitigation of the water and the drywall.

2367
04:33:51,000 --> 04:34:04,000
And you know things that to get the property. So it's not continually molding the damage did extend from the top of the home into the garage being its three levels.

2368
04:34:04,000 --> 04:34:09,000
So I'm not sure the 1500 square feet includes the garage level or not.

2369
04:34:09,000 --> 04:34:20,000
We did have some stuff going into the attic it was as things developed it just got more and more you know insurance from personal and then the HOA insurance.

2370
04:34:20,000 --> 04:34:24,000
So we had a variety of issues to deal with.

2371
04:34:24,000 --> 04:34:46,000
On my end. I don't like I said usually have to pull a permit and I did speak with Todd who did confirm that the scope of work was not what I did was not required to pull a permit I did see that in your legal non conforming in the building code.

2372
04:34:47,000 --> 04:35:01,000
Just kind of completely separate I've never seen it in the STR I don't deal with the STR so I don't really know about it and I didn't I don't even think I knew that it was legal not conforming it so on the mountain.

2373
04:35:01,000 --> 04:35:22,000
So really anything any permits that should have been pulled I don't usually pull them on this scope of work that we had to perform so don't know if that's super fair to uphold that to this property as it wasn't required to for building code.

2374
04:35:23,000 --> 04:35:26,000
Thank you. We appreciate it of course.

2375
04:35:26,000 --> 04:35:28,000
Do you have questions for me?

2376
04:35:28,000 --> 04:35:39,000
Well I want to ask who do we have questions for at this point in time do you have any questions anybody have any questions for Rebecca or for either one of these two ladies.

2377
04:35:39,000 --> 04:35:41,000
I do for Rebecca.

2378
04:35:41,000 --> 04:35:43,000
Okay.

2379
04:35:43,000 --> 04:35:53,000
So is there a process for somebody who's got a damage SCR that they can go to the city and ask for an extension to the 12 months.

2380
04:35:53,000 --> 04:35:55,000
Do we have a process?

2381
04:35:55,000 --> 04:35:57,000
Yeah I mean or is there I mean has that.

2382
04:35:57,000 --> 04:35:59,000
I mean there's not like a formal application.

2383
04:35:59,000 --> 04:36:00,000
No.

2384
04:36:00,000 --> 04:36:04,000
Okay. I'm just curious if that was ever come up before.

2385
04:36:04,000 --> 04:36:08,000
We've got a damage property and somebody asked for an extension.

2386
04:36:09,000 --> 04:36:14,000
This is the first time that we've seen this type of a scenario.

2387
04:36:14,000 --> 04:36:28,000
And if I can clarify one thing that was just stated I have but I was confirmed to me from Todd Car the building official that the work that was performed did require a permit per the building code.

2388
04:36:28,000 --> 04:36:35,000
Because we have a code enforcement case where they are now getting the permit for the work that's already been performed.

2389
04:36:35,000 --> 04:36:42,000
So that's just a little bit different than what I heard from the building official.

2390
04:36:42,000 --> 04:36:44,000
Can I clarify something with you?

2391
04:36:44,000 --> 04:36:47,000
Let's say this property.

2392
04:36:47,000 --> 04:36:57,000
I think it was October it had to be rented by let's say and about October or middle of October whatever the day was something like that right?

2393
04:36:57,000 --> 04:36:59,000
November 15th.

2394
04:36:59,000 --> 04:37:01,000
November 15th.

2395
04:37:01,000 --> 04:37:05,000
The last document say it was October 27th, 2024.

2396
04:37:05,000 --> 04:37:11,000
When did it need to be rented by in order to be within the one year stipulation?

2397
04:37:11,000 --> 04:37:20,000
So it would have needed to have been rented by October 27th of 2025 to avoid the abandonment through the 12 month clause.

2398
04:37:20,000 --> 04:37:27,000
Okay. So my question is let's say that they get this property done before 12 months.

2399
04:37:27,000 --> 04:37:34,000
Let's say it's done by September. Let's say they take pictures and put it on the market.

2400
04:37:34,000 --> 04:37:38,000
But nobody rents anything in October and steamboat.

2401
04:37:38,000 --> 04:37:51,000
And so what happens if although it's available to rent if nobody rents it and let's say you only have that one month there because you're not sure when it's going to be available to be rented.

2402
04:37:51,000 --> 04:37:53,000
You're not sure when the work is going to be done.

2403
04:37:53,000 --> 04:38:01,000
So if somebody has that property and is October or early November and the rentals aren't very popular then.

2404
04:38:01,000 --> 04:38:13,000
So basically it's just bad luck that you're a 12 month period ended then instead of ending in like January or February where there's tremendous amount of rentals.

2405
04:38:13,000 --> 04:38:16,000
Would that be a fair statement?

2406
04:38:17,000 --> 04:38:20,000
Fair. You're asking me if that's bad luck.

2407
04:38:20,000 --> 04:38:22,000
Well, I'm trying to understand what it is.

2408
04:38:22,000 --> 04:38:32,000
So this the code section talks about discontinuance for a period of 12 consecutive months regardless of any intent to resume operation of the use.

2409
04:38:32,000 --> 04:38:37,000
Okay. So we can't really control how people are advertising.

2410
04:38:37,000 --> 04:38:43,000
I mean, you could have somebody, for example, advertising for a ridiculous price and never rent.

2411
04:38:43,000 --> 04:38:50,000
You what happens though if somebody is doing everything right, but it's just that nobody wants rent the place in October.

2412
04:38:50,000 --> 04:39:02,000
I'm looking at this as we talk about use. I mean, they could they could take it to deposit for outside of the 12 month period.

2413
04:39:02,000 --> 04:39:10,000
But we don't want to call that use and I understand that that's a very strict interpretation because marketing commercial marketing.

2414
04:39:10,000 --> 04:39:17,000
One could argue is use of the property, but we take a much more strict view and I understand why we do.

2415
04:39:17,000 --> 04:39:34,000
I'm just trying to understand that why is it fair if somebody just happens to be at a time a year when rentals aren't popular and that's when their year is up or more importantly that's when their remodel is going to be finished.

2416
04:39:34,000 --> 04:39:49,000
And they let's say the remodel was finished a week before, you know, the end of their 12 month period. If it just happened, it seems like it's pretty bad luck based on what we're saying by not having any way to address that.

2417
04:39:49,000 --> 04:39:54,000
And that's why we did offer that discount off the bat was to try to get the bookings.

2418
04:39:54,000 --> 04:40:04,000
As quickly as possible, because we knew we needed to get this going and wanted to get it going for the owner after they had such a long time period without rentals.

2419
04:40:04,000 --> 04:40:12,000
So that was our goal. I mean, we had it like I said, we took pictures on 828 and then had it listed the next week and then had a booking within a week.

2420
04:40:12,000 --> 04:40:16,000
But the booking was for popular dates, you know, in February.

2421
04:40:16,000 --> 04:40:23,000
It was end with a snow that came so late this year. Usually we would see more if we had early snow, you know.

2422
04:40:23,000 --> 04:40:28,000
Was your did you understand that you needed a booking by the middle of October?

2423
04:40:28,000 --> 04:40:29,000
No.

2424
04:40:29,000 --> 04:40:38,000
No, not at that point. It was just more thinking this owner had been without funds for so long and had been dealing with these problems.

2425
04:40:38,000 --> 04:40:42,000
We came on board kind of towards the end of all of what had happened.

2426
04:40:42,000 --> 04:40:46,000
You know, we were just thinking let's get her some bookings on the books.

2427
04:40:46,000 --> 04:40:49,000
You know, she's ready to get back to make it some money here.

2428
04:40:49,000 --> 04:41:03,000
When she's been, you know, hurt so bad from a year of expected income that she did not get in addition to having to pay a bunch of money on top of what insurance paid to have her house fixed for something that she was not in control of in the first place.

2429
04:41:03,000 --> 04:41:19,000
So basically what we're saying is that a deposit or contract is an intent to use the property in the future, but it is not an act of physical use of the property.

2430
04:41:19,000 --> 04:41:26,000
It's an intent to you a deposit if you take it a deposit within the 12 months for outside the 12 months.

2431
04:41:26,000 --> 04:41:31,000
That's an intended use, but it's not an act of physical use.

2432
04:41:32,000 --> 04:41:41,000
You would argue with that if it's not a physical use an intent to use by having a deposit wouldn't meet your criteria.

2433
04:41:41,000 --> 04:42:00,000
I would agree that that speaks to intent, but the criteria that I am bound to make decisions based upon is the code and the code says regardless of any intent to resume operation of the use.

2434
04:42:02,000 --> 04:42:08,000
When was the last reservation on the books for the got canceled.

2435
04:42:08,000 --> 04:42:10,000
What I'm sorry.

2436
04:42:10,000 --> 04:42:18,000
I don't have that right immediately in front of me, so I would I think if Meredith has that available I'd ask that she answer.

2437
04:42:18,000 --> 04:42:26,000
Yep, so the last one that I had on record from Retrieia when they sent me to reports that you all have in your files.

2438
04:42:26,000 --> 04:42:34,000
The last one that was canceled was for the last date was 1231 of 2025.

2439
04:42:34,000 --> 04:42:48,000
The owner today said that she just told me that there was one that was supposed to be in March that was canceled that those people went to Retrieia and they ended up getting moved over to Trappers crossing.

2440
04:42:48,000 --> 04:42:54,000
That one was not on my report from Retrieia, but that was just brought to my attention today.

2441
04:42:54,000 --> 04:43:00,000
So the only one that we actually have physically recorded is the last one was canceled it ended on that December 31.

2442
04:43:00,000 --> 04:43:05,000
So I'm assuming maybe they just gave me that year versus the next year when they gave me that report.

2443
04:43:05,000 --> 04:43:11,000
And that document that Meredith is referring to as attachment three in your packet.

2444
04:43:11,000 --> 04:43:13,000
Thank you.

2445
04:43:14,000 --> 04:43:16,000
Rebecca.

2446
04:43:16,000 --> 04:43:25,000
I feel like we're maybe talking about issues that don't pertain to what we are looking at tonight.

2447
04:43:25,000 --> 04:43:33,000
Can you just go back to the slide that talks about the dates because I'm looking at it right now and I want to make sure.

2448
04:43:33,000 --> 04:43:38,000
I'm fully tracking and the.

2449
04:43:38,000 --> 04:43:42,000
The few really important dates to me is that.

2450
04:43:42,000 --> 04:43:48,000
The repair the last documents say wasn't was October 2077.

2451
04:43:48,000 --> 04:43:52,000
2024.

2452
04:43:53,000 --> 04:43:56,000
And then the the property's damage.

2453
04:43:56,000 --> 04:44:07,000
The next important date is the repair was completed December 25 and they actually had an SDR stay in December.

2454
04:44:07,000 --> 04:44:08,000
Is that right.

2455
04:44:08,000 --> 04:44:09,000
That's correct.

2456
04:44:09,000 --> 04:44:15,000
So as I hope I was trying to describe there are two.

2457
04:44:16,000 --> 04:44:29,000
Criteria by which the legal the code would says that the legal not conforming use has terminated so one are the dates noted in red that's that greater than 12 consecutive month gap and use.

2458
04:44:29,000 --> 04:44:37,000
The second one is the criteria that speaks to damage to the structure.

2459
04:44:38,000 --> 04:44:45,000
And so they're both relevant and they are both independent of each other in terms of terminating the the status of the use.

2460
04:44:45,000 --> 04:44:52,000
So really they repairs or completing December and they had a booking in December.

2461
04:44:52,000 --> 04:44:53,000
Perfect.

2462
04:44:53,000 --> 04:44:54,000
Yeah.

2463
04:44:54,000 --> 04:44:55,000
Okay.

2464
04:44:55,000 --> 04:44:58,000
And it's on the information that I was provided.

2465
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:11,000
And can you maybe go back, you know, again, since I think really it's just Councillor Buccino and I that were on council when these rules were adopted.

2466
04:45:11,000 --> 04:45:29,000
So can you go back to, and I think there's discussion somewhere about the intent of legal non-conforming and the fact that this is in a yellow zone where with the number of STRs were limited, right,

2467
04:45:29,000 --> 04:45:41,000
and the whole kind of, you know, maybe the rationale behind this and the language that's in the ordinance specific to the basis for the decision.

2468
04:45:41,000 --> 04:45:46,000
So the legal non-conforming use language applies to all types of uses.

2469
04:45:46,000 --> 04:45:58,000
When we adopted the short term rental code, we did amend section 103D, which is the language, a portion of that language is on this slide.

2470
04:45:58,000 --> 04:46:11,000
So I've omitted the first sentence of 103D2, that sentence talks about when a legal non-conforming use has been abandoned and just continued for a period of 12 consecutive months.

2471
04:46:11,000 --> 04:46:20,000
We added the second sentence, which is what you see here on this slide that speaks to what we called intermittent legal non-conforming uses.

2472
04:46:20,000 --> 04:46:26,000
And we extended that typical six month abandonment period to 12 months and we did that.

2473
04:46:26,000 --> 04:46:34,000
Because council had a lot of discussion and we were very well aware that short term rentals.

2474
04:46:34,000 --> 04:46:42,000
I don't know that I could possibly be a short term rental that exists, that's rented 365 days a year.

2475
04:46:42,000 --> 04:46:51,000
They're often used by the owner, owners, guests, you know, the stays are dependent on who books the use and when.

2476
04:46:51,000 --> 04:47:01,000
And so and we also recognize I think council recognized at that time when the code was written that there are some property owners that only rent during certain time periods.

2477
04:47:01,000 --> 04:47:06,000
For example, the holidays when it's the peak time or something like that.

2478
04:47:06,000 --> 04:47:15,000
I wanted to so we extended the typical timeframe from six months to 12 to accommodate for though that sort of variation in use.

2479
04:47:15,000 --> 04:47:18,000
Is that do I answer your question.

2480
04:47:18,000 --> 04:47:35,000
Yes, but I think I mean I think it goes beyond that right I mean and in this maybe more of a probably a discussion point when we get to it in terms of, you know, the intent, you know again in response to the community and the proliferation of the short term rentals and so.

2481
04:47:36,000 --> 04:47:48,000
That's was kind of specifically why there's the requirement for the usage right within the 12 months and not the intent right to use it as a short term rental.

2482
04:47:48,000 --> 04:47:55,000
So that's that's where I think I was going more to and it came out in the discussion at the planning commission.

2483
04:47:56,000 --> 04:48:00,000
So this property is located in the yellow zone short it's not prohibited.

2484
04:48:00,000 --> 04:48:13,000
We call that the restricted zone because as you're well aware there's six different yellow zones or or be overlays zones and each of those zones has a specific cap of the number of licenses that.

2485
04:48:13,000 --> 04:48:21,000
We will issue because this is part of the zoning code and we changed the rules of the use.

2486
04:48:21,000 --> 04:48:31,000
We did grant legal non-conforming status to any property that was used lawfully prior to the effect of date of that code so.

2487
04:48:31,000 --> 04:48:39,000
We have issued more licenses than the caps in all of the zones at some point or another.

2488
04:48:39,000 --> 04:48:52,000
So if you maintain that legal non-conforming status you maintain eligibility for a license but the intention of the CDC is pretty clear I think there is a purpose statement that I probably included in your.

2489
04:48:52,000 --> 04:48:56,000
The report or in the planning commission report that speaks to.

2490
04:48:56,000 --> 04:49:00,000
The intention of the CDC is is to eliminate.

2491
04:49:00,000 --> 04:49:08,000
Legal non-conforming uses overtime and I think that's why the code includes the language about intent.

2492
04:49:08,000 --> 04:49:16,000
That intent does not come into play when we're looking at termination of of that status.

2493
04:49:23,000 --> 04:49:39,000
And I'm trying to remember to from the discussion I mean we talk about the 12 months and the intermittent use but I think we also had the conversation right about if like a somebody wants to do any sort of improvements or repairs right on their STR that was also.

2494
04:49:39,000 --> 04:49:42,000
The factored in.

2495
04:49:42,000 --> 04:49:48,000
Yes that was talked about and in fact there was a time where there was some discussion about whether.

2496
04:49:48,000 --> 04:49:55,000
Renovation should be exempted from that and I think the and that was not where council landed that is not included in the code.

2497
04:49:55,000 --> 04:50:08,000
And I think the reason for that is that the legal non-conforming status is intended to sort of protect or allow the continued lawful use of of a use that was established prior to the code change.

2498
04:50:08,000 --> 04:50:12,000
It's not intended to.

2499
04:50:12,000 --> 04:50:17,000
Ensure additional improvement or.

2500
04:50:17,000 --> 04:50:20,000
Expansion of the use in the future.

2501
04:50:20,000 --> 04:50:26,000
And so I think there could be an argument made that a remodel just for the sake of a remodel.

2502
04:50:26,000 --> 04:50:34,000
I mean I don't think that's what occurred here so I want to be clear about that but like just there an upgrade and a remodel to make it more up to date and.

2503
04:50:34,000 --> 04:50:40,000
More attractive as a short term rental would not be something that we would want to.

2504
04:50:40,000 --> 04:50:51,000
Accomedy unless it could be done within that you know unless it could be done and still avoid the abandonment under the 12 months clause.

2505
04:50:51,000 --> 04:50:59,000
I just heard from Robin as I made a statement earlier that something that I said was inaccurate and I feel like I.

2506
04:51:00,000 --> 04:51:06,000
My presentation was based on the information that I was provided by the appellant but certainly if some of its incorrect I would.

2507
04:51:06,000 --> 04:51:11,000
Feel like we should provide you the opportunity to correct that with that.

2508
04:51:11,000 --> 04:51:14,000
If that's appropriate.

2509
04:51:14,000 --> 04:51:15,000
Sure.

2510
04:51:15,000 --> 04:51:18,000
I'm on up.

2511
04:51:18,000 --> 04:51:28,000
Actually I'm just going to ask Meredith because my remodel was not it was completed prior to December I believe that the when you're asking if.

2512
04:51:28,000 --> 04:51:34,000
December 13th of the remodel was completed in December and then rented on the 13th.

2513
04:51:34,000 --> 04:51:41,000
Meredith had taken her first reservation in I believe she said September.

2514
04:51:41,000 --> 04:51:45,000
Correct me if I'm incorrect.

2515
04:51:45,000 --> 04:51:53,000
But I feel like the as far as intent goes like it wasn't intention to rent.

2516
04:51:54,000 --> 04:52:01,000
She did take a reservation so that is an act of I feel like it's an act of reservation.

2517
04:52:01,000 --> 04:52:22,000
You take somebody's money you take you you they commit to their family having a vacation they come out they book their tickets they plan things that I don't feel like that's an intention obviously it's interpretation of law but I don't see that as an intent I see that as active participation in the rental program.

2518
04:52:23,000 --> 04:52:51,000
And as far as the open permits that I just alerted Greg and Todd to having a little bit of an argument with service master who removed the drywall and to was supposed to pull out the permit I have to the fifth to get that settled and Greg said once a file for that it would be asked and everything would move on just a little disagreement with service master.

2519
04:52:51,000 --> 04:53:02,000
But it was intent she was an intending on resort on doing it she was actively doing it and participating in the process.

2520
04:53:02,000 --> 04:53:03,000
Okay.

2521
04:53:03,000 --> 04:53:07,000
Thank you for disappointed in this process.

2522
04:53:07,000 --> 04:53:12,000
Rebecca for more I have a more question for Rebecca.

2523
04:53:12,000 --> 04:53:18,000
This has been three Rebecca what I think came from the appellant.

2524
04:53:18,000 --> 04:53:20,000
Correct.

2525
04:53:20,000 --> 04:53:24,000
Page two on it has.

2526
04:53:24,000 --> 04:53:32,000
Booking numbers has a status, gas listing site, arrival date, departure date.

2527
04:53:32,000 --> 04:53:41,000
That info that you all get I'm reading this that people were I'm reading it that the owner actually stayed there in November.

2528
04:53:41,000 --> 04:53:46,000
And then there were people saying there in November and January.

2529
04:53:46,000 --> 04:53:51,000
People were there.

2530
04:53:51,000 --> 04:53:52,000
That's correct.

2531
04:53:52,000 --> 04:53:57,000
Page two so you're seeing people yes that's twenty twenty twenty twenty six.

2532
04:53:57,000 --> 04:54:00,000
So it looks like the owner there was an owner stay.

2533
04:54:00,000 --> 04:54:01,000
Yeah.

2534
04:54:01,000 --> 04:54:02,000
November.

2535
04:54:02,000 --> 04:54:03,000
Eight.

2536
04:54:03,000 --> 04:54:04,000
Nineteenth.

2537
04:54:04,000 --> 04:54:05,000
Yeah.

2538
04:54:05,000 --> 04:54:06,000
I can't.

2539
04:54:06,000 --> 04:54:08,000
I can't.

2540
04:54:08,000 --> 04:54:11,000
No number nineteen through the twenty six.

2541
04:54:11,000 --> 04:54:12,000
Yeah.

2542
04:54:12,000 --> 04:54:16,000
And then there was the first day which was what I had noted on my slide.

2543
04:54:16,000 --> 04:54:19,000
Began on December 13th of twenty twenty five.

2544
04:54:19,000 --> 04:54:23,000
But yes that is those are the that's the more recent booking report.

2545
04:54:23,000 --> 04:54:25,000
I believe that.

2546
04:54:25,000 --> 04:54:33,000
Meredith submitted to demonstrate that there's been active use of the property since it was renovated.

2547
04:54:33,000 --> 04:54:34,000
Okay.

2548
04:54:34,000 --> 04:54:35,000
Thanks.

2549
04:54:35,000 --> 04:54:38,000
We need to go information that we receive although.

2550
04:54:38,000 --> 04:54:46,000
We don't require this exact format it often depends on what platform they advertise on or whether they do it themselves.

2551
04:54:46,000 --> 04:54:50,000
And so we get various forms of these reports.

2552
04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:51,000
Okay.

2553
04:54:51,000 --> 04:55:01,000
Exit stayed if they hadn't had the damage or the last booking that was on the books that we see is the 1231 and 24.

2554
04:55:02,000 --> 04:55:04,000
That got canceled.

2555
04:55:04,000 --> 04:55:05,000
Right.

2556
04:55:05,000 --> 04:55:11,000
They would have been within their 12 months even at this timeline and they rented on that December.

2557
04:55:11,000 --> 04:55:14,000
With the December 13th rental.

2558
04:55:14,000 --> 04:55:15,000
Right.

2559
04:55:15,000 --> 04:55:17,000
They would have been within that 12 months.

2560
04:55:17,000 --> 04:55:18,000
Yes.

2561
04:55:18,000 --> 04:55:20,000
They would have because that.

2562
04:55:20,000 --> 04:55:24,000
Last booking that was canceled in twenty twenty four ended.

2563
04:55:24,000 --> 04:55:28,000
That was had was scheduled for a check out of twelve thirty one twenty twenty four.

2564
04:55:28,000 --> 04:55:32,000
But I mean I would have to imagine if there wasn't water damage there.

2565
04:55:32,000 --> 04:55:33,000
There.

2566
04:55:33,000 --> 04:55:35,000
They would have been additional rentals in twenty twenty five.

2567
04:55:35,000 --> 04:55:38,000
It wouldn't have taken till December 13th to have the next rental.

2568
04:55:38,000 --> 04:55:42,000
But that's just assumptions based on their prior rental activity.

2569
04:55:42,000 --> 04:55:43,000
Right.

2570
04:55:43,000 --> 04:55:46,000
I'm just saying that there was evidence that that was booked within that.

2571
04:55:46,000 --> 04:55:48,000
I mean the timeframe was less than that.

2572
04:55:48,000 --> 04:55:50,000
That's the only thing.

2573
04:55:50,000 --> 04:55:51,000
Yeah.

2574
04:55:51,000 --> 04:55:53,000
I think that that's an accurate statement.

2575
04:55:53,000 --> 04:55:56,000
The I got a question.

2576
04:55:56,000 --> 04:55:58,000
Go ahead Michael.

2577
04:55:58,000 --> 04:55:59,000
Rebecca.

2578
04:55:59,000 --> 04:56:05,000
In 103.D dot 2 and dot 4 on your.

2579
04:56:05,000 --> 04:56:08,000
The.

2580
04:56:08,000 --> 04:56:14,000
103 is the one you've referenced a couple times regarding the termination legal non-conforming

2581
04:56:15,000 --> 04:56:17,000
And then you talk about being abandoned and discontinued.

2582
04:56:17,000 --> 04:56:24,000
You also then had one and I think one or three d five talking about the structural housing.

2583
04:56:24,000 --> 04:56:28,000
Being twelve months getting restored.

2584
04:56:28,000 --> 04:56:29,000
This.

2585
04:56:29,000 --> 04:56:34,000
There are bits that's in the CDC.

2586
04:56:34,000 --> 04:56:37,000
With that was approved by city council correct after the meeting.

2587
04:56:37,000 --> 04:56:41,000
After the passing of the short term rental licensing.

2588
04:56:42,000 --> 04:56:46,000
Is that one.

2589
04:56:46,000 --> 04:56:53,000
Section 103 d existed in the code prior to the STR license.

2590
04:56:53,000 --> 04:57:02,000
The only section that we amended when we adopted the STR overly zone was 103 d two,

2591
04:57:02,000 --> 04:57:08,000
which is what I described earlier where we extended the abandonment period from six to 12 months.

2592
04:57:08,000 --> 04:57:13,000
But section 103 d five has been unchanged.

2593
04:57:13,000 --> 04:57:19,000
That existed prior to STR code and has not been amended.

2594
04:57:19,000 --> 04:57:21,000
So.

2595
04:57:21,000 --> 04:57:29,000
First of all this is kind of unfortunate because I would never want to say to a citizen and my town.

2596
04:57:29,000 --> 04:57:31,000
Bad luck.

2597
04:57:31,000 --> 04:57:33,000
That's just not right.

2598
04:57:33,000 --> 04:57:37,000
Right now we have another situation with short term rental licensing.

2599
04:57:37,000 --> 04:57:40,000
That I think goes back to the way.

2600
04:57:40,000 --> 04:57:48,000
The code was presented to council and approved by council to make the changes to reflect the short term rental licensing.

2601
04:57:48,000 --> 04:57:52,000
In doing that your department came up with those code changes.

2602
04:57:52,000 --> 04:57:57,000
And in those a lot of those things, especially in the minutes there's times where it's referenced.

2603
04:57:57,000 --> 04:58:02,000
Where you stated to Rich Levy that you did not have the authority to make that.

2604
04:58:02,000 --> 04:58:07,000
That authority make that change and yet a minute or two later.

2605
04:58:07,000 --> 04:58:12,000
You were stating that you do have that authority to make that determination.

2606
04:58:12,000 --> 04:58:16,000
Whether they should get an extension from the 12 or 13 months.

2607
04:58:16,000 --> 04:58:21,000
And so I'm looking at a little bit of a conflicting in your statement.

2608
04:58:21,000 --> 04:58:27,000
When you do have the authority and then it got me to really look at the code that we adopted.

2609
04:58:27,000 --> 04:58:39,000
And really put in question with all due respect, Rebecca, your department wrote the code, but you actually have the authority to agree or extend or change that code.

2610
04:58:39,000 --> 04:58:50,000
And yet we continually are having problems with citizens bringing appeals to us that were related directly to the process of the policy that we put together.

2611
04:58:50,000 --> 04:59:02,000
And I really do think that this appeal is one of the worst examples that we have of trying to screw a neighbor out of their short term rental license when the quote unquote intent.

2612
04:59:02,000 --> 04:59:16,000
The intent of the code is to let people rent their unit, but yet clearly there's a faction you have stated that the intent is to stop having rentals in this property in the yellow zones completely.

2613
04:59:16,000 --> 04:59:27,000
So I'm really concerned at this point, you know, looking for your guidance on your direction of a code that you codified.

2614
04:59:27,000 --> 04:59:36,000
We had to approve it, but there's been some discrepancies that we really need to stop and we need to look at a lot of these consistent issues.

2615
04:59:36,000 --> 04:59:45,000
And which really frustrating for me is when we sit there and throw out well 2700 people got it right one or two people didn't get it right.

2616
04:59:45,000 --> 04:59:53,000
That's so disingenuous. I hope we stop using that. But I really feel just gave me I will I'm almost done.

2617
04:59:53,000 --> 04:59:58,000
I've been sitting here a long time waiting to talk about this because I was trying to wait.

2618
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:29,000
Listen, to hear what's going on in consistently, this is a problem with the way you have implemented our code. And this appealing has a right to appeal this, because there's nothing that their intent has proven that they couldn't rent the place. I'm in the business of remodel and I'm sorry things do take that long. But the circumstances of saying this was bad luck is just disingenuous from the city council perspective. And I think we need to look at the code that you gave to us.

2619
05:00:30,000 --> 05:00:34,000
That we need to read and approve it and make some changes.

2620
05:00:34,000 --> 05:00:40,000
So Mike, that was a little bit chino. I just want to say, I don't think Rebecca ever said.

2621
05:00:40,000 --> 05:00:42,000
Tough luck, bad luck.

2622
05:00:42,000 --> 05:00:43,000
No, Steve said that.

2623
05:00:43,000 --> 05:00:51,000
No, I should write, but the way you're coming after Rebecca, when this is a city council issue, not a staff.

2624
05:00:51,000 --> 05:00:57,000
This is part of our show giving us documentation that we had approved to put in the code.

2625
05:00:57,000 --> 05:01:05,000
Now, I'm looking at the code and so is our costs are consistent and the code has some discrepancies that we need to change.

2626
05:01:05,000 --> 05:01:11,000
Councillor Dixon, there are areas that are not fair and we can familiar hearing reasons.

2627
05:01:11,000 --> 05:01:12,000
Okay.

2628
05:01:12,000 --> 05:01:20,000
John, I agree. Let's let's make sure that we stick to the the present case tonight. And we can have a broader discussion on this.

2629
05:01:20,000 --> 05:01:26,000
We've had instances, council, but you know, you're correct. We've had instances one-offs like this before.

2630
05:01:26,000 --> 05:01:33,000
Different circumstances, of course, but we've had these one-offs and we discuss and make decisions about them.

2631
05:01:33,000 --> 05:01:41,000
I think the code overall, though, has, you know, function well. And so, but there's always exceptions to the rules.

2632
05:01:41,000 --> 05:01:42,000
So, let's.

2633
05:01:42,000 --> 05:01:50,000
And I'm, and just let me, let me respond, right? I mean, from the perspective of council routine, and I have long standing disagreed on kind of the short-term rental ordinances.

2634
05:01:50,000 --> 05:01:56,000
And, you know, quite frankly, you know, I was part of those discussions. You were, you mean, you were not part of those discussions, right?

2635
05:01:56,000 --> 05:02:10,000
So, I just wanted to, I just want to make sure that everybody here in council and that a parent understands that staff is,

2636
05:02:10,000 --> 05:02:20,000
and is basically adhering to council's direction at the time. And so, you know what? So, and again, I'll stop there because we're getting more into discussion.

2637
05:02:20,000 --> 05:02:28,000
I know what you're saying is that. So, gave us the policy, the process of what how they implemented that is what I have in question.

2638
05:02:28,000 --> 05:02:33,000
Okay, well, but we, we need to finish up the questions here.

2639
05:02:33,000 --> 05:02:45,000
If we have any more questions on this, we have to go to public comment, and then we'll come back and deliberate on this. So, is there any other questions?

2640
05:02:45,000 --> 05:02:47,000
For anyone.

2641
05:02:47,000 --> 05:02:49,000
Hearing none.

2642
05:02:49,000 --> 05:03:00,000
I'm only going to go back to the fact that I don't think, I mean, we're getting hung up on the building permit, but that doesn't really apply, right? I mean, to the extent that that was an end criteria, right?

2643
05:03:00,000 --> 05:03:12,000
That it's a building permit if, in fact, one is required, and the structure is large enough. So, I think the first criteria doesn't.

2644
05:03:12,000 --> 05:03:16,000
Work, I mean, right, in terms of sorry.

2645
05:03:16,000 --> 05:03:24,000
So, the one with an end that includes the building permit. So, I don't think that that's relevant here.

2646
05:03:24,000 --> 05:03:33,000
Although, you know, I mean, I think my determination was that the structure was did not meet the criteria for an extension.

2647
05:03:33,000 --> 05:03:39,000
That was, that is an end criteria, the criteria are.

2648
05:03:39,000 --> 05:03:44,000
It says the structure is of a large scale. There is no definition of that in the code.

2649
05:03:44,000 --> 05:03:47,000
Right. So, that was my interpretation of that.

2650
05:03:48,000 --> 05:03:52,000
Cartieria, and then the second was that it end.

2651
05:03:52,000 --> 05:03:55,000
It requires changes to comply with the building code.

2652
05:03:55,000 --> 05:04:05,000
So, I would say that based on the information that I had when I reviewed this, there were no building permits applied for.

2653
05:04:05,000 --> 05:04:10,000
We have since learned that a building permit would have been required.

2654
05:04:10,000 --> 05:04:16,000
So, you know, I don't know if the code goes on to say that in that circumstance.

2655
05:04:16,000 --> 05:04:25,000
A permit has to be applied for and the only changes needed are those that the only changes made are those that are needed to comply with the building code.

2656
05:04:25,000 --> 05:04:30,000
I don't have, I didn't have a means to evaluate that because no permit was applied for.

2657
05:04:30,000 --> 05:04:33,000
There was no permit of record at that time.

2658
05:04:33,000 --> 05:04:43,000
So, I don't know if Council of Ruchino was, I don't, I don't quite know the references you're speaking to from the Planning Commission minutes.

2659
05:04:43,000 --> 05:04:48,000
If there were contradictions, but I don't have the authority to change the code.

2660
05:04:48,000 --> 05:04:55,000
In this particular section of code, it does explicitly grant the Planning Director authority to grant an extension.

2661
05:04:55,000 --> 05:05:02,000
Based on my review of information that was provided to me, I did not think that they met the criteria for an extension.

2662
05:05:02,000 --> 05:05:07,000
Certainly, that's all before you tonight, you all could feel differently.

2663
05:05:07,000 --> 05:05:14,000
Because you feel that they should have applied for a building permit, correct?

2664
05:05:14,000 --> 05:05:15,000
Correct.

2665
05:05:15,000 --> 05:05:19,000
So, the fact that they didn't, what is the penalty for that?

2666
05:05:19,000 --> 05:05:27,000
For sometimes, I believe the building department will charge a double permit fee.

2667
05:05:27,000 --> 05:05:30,000
If it's just egregious, I don't know that they do it all the time.

2668
05:05:30,000 --> 05:05:39,000
In this case, I don't think it's that unusual for a company like service master, where they come in to remediate.

2669
05:05:39,000 --> 05:05:41,000
This is what I've heard from the building official.

2670
05:05:41,000 --> 05:05:44,000
I'm just restating what he told me.

2671
05:05:44,000 --> 05:05:50,000
It's not that unusual for those companies to come in in their remediation of water damage.

2672
05:05:50,000 --> 05:05:53,000
They will start ripping out drywall.

2673
05:05:54,000 --> 05:06:00,000
Unfortunately, you know, there was there's a threshold on how much drywall you can remove before triggers of building permit.

2674
05:06:00,000 --> 05:06:06,000
So, I mean, I think the, the applicants have been working in good faith with the building department.

2675
05:06:06,000 --> 05:06:10,000
We only opened the code enforcement case, because that's just the way we operate.

2676
05:06:10,000 --> 05:06:17,000
Todd asks us to do that to document that there was work without a permit, but we're not aggressively pursuing enforcement.

2677
05:06:17,000 --> 05:06:24,000
We understand that the permit will eventually be issued and that the work will be done in compliance with the building code.

2678
05:06:24,000 --> 05:06:32,000
The black permit wasn't reason to terminate the license.

2679
05:06:32,000 --> 05:06:39,000
No, my decision was not because there wasn't the fact that they did unpermitted work.

2680
05:06:39,000 --> 05:06:46,000
It was that I had no permit to reference to make the findings that the extension was warranted.

2681
05:06:46,000 --> 05:06:53,000
So you're saying if they had applied for a permit, and there's a, you may have given them an extension.

2682
05:06:53,000 --> 05:06:56,000
You don't know, though, because you don't.

2683
05:06:56,000 --> 05:07:02,000
I mean, maybe, but I, you know, in my opinion, I didn't think a 1500 square foot unit was of a large scale.

2684
05:07:02,000 --> 05:07:06,000
Again, that is a subjective standard that's not to find that a code.

2685
05:07:06,000 --> 05:07:07,000
Thank you.

2686
05:07:07,000 --> 05:07:08,000
Okay.

2687
05:07:08,000 --> 05:07:09,000
And that was the point.

2688
05:07:09,000 --> 05:07:11,000
I think that was what I was trying to ask, right?

2689
05:07:11,000 --> 05:07:15,000
I have done it so clearly is the first criteria is of a large scale.

2690
05:07:15,000 --> 05:07:20,000
And I think you had referenced that 1500 square foot feet is not a large scale.

2691
05:07:20,000 --> 05:07:29,000
And so again, back to the planning commission conversation was comparing this to a struct, you know, something done at the grand.

2692
05:07:29,000 --> 05:07:37,000
And and requires, you know, changes to comply with the building code.

2693
05:07:38,000 --> 05:07:45,000
But I was concerned in the minutes that it's that it's been stated that a year is enough time to build a home.

2694
05:07:45,000 --> 05:07:49,000
Let alone fix this one up.

2695
05:07:49,000 --> 05:07:58,000
And I find that a year is plenty of time to build a home if you start digging the hole that day.

2696
05:07:58,000 --> 05:08:07,000
But it takes, it takes years, it takes years in many cases to design a home, let alone to put a shovel in the ground.

2697
05:08:07,000 --> 05:08:17,000
So I don't agree with that that it only takes a year necessarily in this town because I can tell you right now if you apply to get a new roof it could take you two years to get the new roof.

2698
05:08:17,000 --> 05:08:19,000
So that's a whole another story.

2699
05:08:19,000 --> 05:08:22,000
Okay, no more questions.

2700
05:08:22,000 --> 05:08:27,000
Is anybody want to make a public comment in the room or online, please raise your hand.

2701
05:08:28,000 --> 05:08:37,000
So you know, we'll close public comment, comment, bring it back for deliberations.

2702
05:08:37,000 --> 05:08:39,000
And I go.

2703
05:08:39,000 --> 05:08:43,000
And Rebecca, I apologize, I'm not trying to go at you directly.

2704
05:08:43,000 --> 05:08:51,000
I'm looking at the code that we have written and then I was reading the minutes of the notes basically around pages eight and nine and ten.

2705
05:08:51,000 --> 05:08:59,000
And you can read it later, but it basically was talking when you were talking to rich leaving bright atoms after their deliberation when they went to the code.

2706
05:08:59,000 --> 05:09:09,000
You said you don't think you have the authority to make the exception and yet there's other conversation that rich had a specifically talking about the size of the building.

2707
05:09:09,000 --> 05:09:20,000
And back into that you were saying, oh, but I do have that authority to make that because the decision maker you quote and quote said the decision maker what I'm saying is that I understand it's put you in a precarious location.

2708
05:09:20,000 --> 05:09:29,000
I think that for us to protect you and take care of you as a staff employee for us is to really clarify this code and really go in there and make it a little better.

2709
05:09:29,000 --> 05:09:40,000
And so I apologize that I'm using this in coming up, a computational, it's not the intent of that is to prove that the code is actually got some holes in it and we really need to shore them up for our citizens.

2710
05:09:40,000 --> 05:09:50,000
This continually happens and it has some animosity I've heard from planning commissioners that any STR regulation appeal is one of their worst parts of their job.

2711
05:09:50,000 --> 05:09:52,000
So we need to solve those.

2712
05:09:52,000 --> 05:09:56,000
So I really you have a perspective here that you're leading towards.

2713
05:09:57,000 --> 05:10:03,000
I will I would like to make a motion to side with the appellant.

2714
05:10:03,000 --> 05:10:10,000
Absolutely. I think that that this circumstance being in the business of construction and remodeled exactly what is yes.

2715
05:10:10,000 --> 05:10:21,000
Yes, Gale I was accused from the meeting and you may have had a better perspective had I been in the meeting with these but you guys refused me because I was talking about specifically owners like this.

2716
05:10:21,000 --> 05:10:25,000
And my defense is that I don't know this person I'm not making any money on it.

2717
05:10:25,000 --> 05:10:29,000
It's just not fair to the people that bought property in our town.

2718
05:10:29,000 --> 05:10:38,000
Okay, so you know you are Michael is a councilor Puccino is making a motion to.

2719
05:10:38,000 --> 05:10:39,000
To.

2720
05:10:39,000 --> 05:10:40,000
To.

2721
05:10:40,000 --> 05:10:41,000
To.

2722
05:10:41,000 --> 05:10:42,000
To.

2723
05:10:42,000 --> 05:10:43,000
Thank you very much.

2724
05:10:43,000 --> 05:10:45,000
Grand the appeal.

2725
05:10:45,000 --> 05:10:46,000
Grand the appeal.

2726
05:10:46,000 --> 05:10:48,000
I'd like to make a comment.

2727
05:10:48,000 --> 05:10:57,000
Because staff has an impossible job and sort of is planning to go through all these appeals and to try to uphold the letter of the code.

2728
05:10:57,000 --> 05:11:09,000
I do feel that regardless of intent they had they had rentals on the books they put somebody back into the building with inside of that year period.

2729
05:11:09,000 --> 05:11:18,000
And that to me is that is the difference in this one versus people that are not using their unit and trying to retain their license.

2730
05:11:18,000 --> 05:11:25,000
I think they had every intention of meeting that one year deadline they just weren't aware of it.

2731
05:11:25,000 --> 05:11:31,000
Well, exactly that I mean and this is a slippery slope in my mind right and I'm 100% sympathetic.

2732
05:11:31,000 --> 05:11:39,000
I totally understand and I know that I always come up really you know come off as the hard you know kind of the hard line or in terms of the rules.

2733
05:11:39,000 --> 05:11:49,000
But the rules are the rules right I mean and the appellant says that we always you know intent you know and again always follow the rules and we'll continue to do so we did everything within our control.

2734
05:11:49,000 --> 05:12:05,000
But again the rules are that this needed to be done within 12 months and so from my perspective it's a slippery slope right I mean everybody that has come before us has said you know our intention was right and we don't really know what the what the.

2735
05:12:05,000 --> 05:12:11,000
You know what happened here right I mean we can speculate we've got one side.

2736
05:12:11,000 --> 05:12:28,000
You know we just recently had a major flood in terms of renovations we were able to get things done right within 12 months so like you know I go back to looking at all of the people in our community we say we have a affordable housing crisis right.

2737
05:12:28,000 --> 05:12:46,000
And to the and again specifically the yellow zone was the intention to try to bring the more homes back into the market for our local workforce so as I say you know my apologies I'm totally you know sympathetic to the appellant.

2738
05:12:46,000 --> 05:12:50,000
But I'm also more sympathetic to our locals who don't have a place to live.

2739
05:12:50,000 --> 05:12:58,000
And so the rules the rules the rules the rules are the rules the rental tax which is going into the very fun that you're talking about.

2740
05:12:58,000 --> 05:13:11,000
Well the rules are the rules we're losing people by the drove right I mean in terms of we know what we're hearing from 25 to 44 year olds every time you turn around there's another family that's moving away from this community so.

2741
05:13:12,000 --> 05:13:21,000
That's my you know again my perspective and having lived through we all you know a lot of us who live through the short term rental conversations.

2742
05:13:22,000 --> 05:13:31,000
You know we know that there's going to be hard decisions and absolutely do we you know are it isn't it or process are the ways to do improvements sure.

2743
05:13:31,000 --> 05:13:37,000
But to the extent that we start and kind of put a whole you know start opening up the door.

2744
05:13:38,000 --> 05:13:45,000
How are we going to say well this intention you know this it was an exception and this is we're not going to side with this exception.

2745
05:13:45,000 --> 05:13:52,000
Well that's okay why we hear everyone of these appeals right that make those decisions I second Michaels.

2746
05:13:52,000 --> 05:13:58,000
So council Gary I appreciate what you're saying rules are rules and we need to follow the rules correct.

2747
05:13:58,000 --> 05:14:07,000
However you're going to tell me that we got it a hundred percent right when we pass these and put these rules in place because.

2748
05:14:07,000 --> 05:14:16,000
I don't agree with that at all we have we do not have the rules correct and yet you're telling us that we need to stick to rules that.

2749
05:14:16,000 --> 05:14:22,000
I mean I mean you gotta agree some of this doesn't make sense like we need to look at this.

2750
05:14:22,000 --> 05:14:31,000
Well and I think we're going to right but right I mean I think that's one of the things that we have talked about is let's go back let's get some let's get.

2751
05:14:31,000 --> 05:14:37,000
Some more information from our plan you know from the planning department in terms of what we're seeing what's working what's not working.

2752
05:14:37,000 --> 05:14:51,000
You know what we have left of our caps maybe we're closer than we think because so many people we can get it we're if we're going to get into a policy changing the policies here I don't think we're going to do that at the clock right well the clock.

2753
05:14:51,000 --> 05:14:59,000
In your case tonight this is not on the planning department though I mean you can't foresee every single circumstance.

2754
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:17,000
That is impossible. Nobody can. And so, you know, you've done an exceptional job. And, you know, 90, what? 9% of the gazes or whatever. We don't hear about that. So this certainly is an indictment on the planning department at all.

2755
05:15:17,000 --> 05:15:23,000
I agree. Oh, so we question. What's that? Did the appellant contact you about the water damage?

2756
05:15:23,000 --> 05:15:27,000
Both. And within the 12 month period.

2757
05:15:27,000 --> 05:15:35,000
No, we weren't made aware of it until they came through to renew for 2026. And we asked for those booking reports that we get.

2758
05:15:35,000 --> 05:15:44,000
And that's where we found the 12 month gap. And then we got the additional information about the, you know, sort of the background in the reasoning for that.

2759
05:15:44,000 --> 05:16:00,000
Okay, I want to hear from. We have a motion from Michael. We have a second from David. We've heard from councilor Gary. I'd like to hear from councilor Dixon. And then we'll hear from myself. And then we'll take a vote.

2760
05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:15,000
Short term rentals are a business. And owners are required to understand our code. And whether we think that's fair or not.

2761
05:16:15,000 --> 05:16:20,000
It's a business. Any other business has to follow our code.

2762
05:16:21,000 --> 05:16:30,000
And so and to hear that someone didn't even reach out to our planning director.

2763
05:16:30,000 --> 05:16:43,000
If they were actually looking at the code that regulates their short term rental, like that were the different story, but completely disregard it all together.

2764
05:16:43,000 --> 05:16:51,000
That's a problem. And I don't see this code being confusing. It's pretty clear.

2765
05:16:51,000 --> 05:16:57,000
So per section one zero three point d point two.

2766
05:16:57,000 --> 05:17:10,000
12 month period has to be, there's a consecutive 12 month period. And now we're as being ruled as abandoned because it was not booking that's 12 month period.

2767
05:17:10,000 --> 05:17:22,000
And it's really clear section one zero three point d point five. The authorizes we're back at your grand extension is really clear. I don't know.

2768
05:17:22,000 --> 05:17:32,000
I don't understand why we're going back and forth on this. The oneness is on the owner of the property.

2769
05:17:32,000 --> 05:17:39,000
So it's a business and I will not be supporting the motion on this.

2770
05:17:39,000 --> 05:17:44,000
Absolutely. Dixon. I just have to say and I appreciate your comment because I see where you're coming from.

2771
05:17:44,000 --> 05:17:55,000
But on 103 d five with the planning directors decision. She is now subjective decision maker for this issue.

2772
05:17:55,000 --> 05:18:04,000
That one person is made the difference in this thing succeeding or failing. Now with the data that she got may have been inconsistent.

2773
05:18:04,000 --> 05:18:11,000
But there's some subjectivity in 103 d five that we need to shore up.

2774
05:18:11,000 --> 05:18:18,000
But it doesn't matter because we're making the ruling based on section one zero three point d point two.

2775
05:18:18,000 --> 05:18:24,000
And you even said that 12 months or 13 months you couldn't made a difference.

2776
05:18:24,000 --> 05:18:30,000
Okay. I don't. I don't.

2777
05:18:30,000 --> 05:18:39,000
You know, I have feelings on both sides on this, but to be honest, totally honest with you. I think that, you know, the interpretation here.

2778
05:18:39,000 --> 05:18:43,000
And you can say it's not an interpretation. It's just a rule just just this.

2779
05:18:43,000 --> 05:18:47,000
I'm coming down that we are looking at this.

2780
05:18:47,000 --> 05:18:54,000
Two strict interpretation here. I don't think it's the intent of the rules here of what we're trying to do in this case.

2781
05:18:54,000 --> 05:19:01,000
And I just don't think it's when I talk about use and they talked about it in a planning commission.

2782
05:19:01,000 --> 05:19:12,000
I don't do not need to take that rigid of an interpretation of use around a contract around a deposit versus actually staying in the house.

2783
05:19:12,000 --> 05:19:16,000
So I am going to.

2784
05:19:16,000 --> 05:19:19,000
Also vote to grant the appeal.

2785
05:19:19,000 --> 05:19:21,000
So you have just opened a door.

2786
05:19:21,000 --> 05:19:23,000
I have an open the door at all.

2787
05:19:23,000 --> 05:19:26,000
Oh, yes, you have. You just based the base upon what you just said.

2788
05:19:26,000 --> 05:19:32,000
Gayle, you can't say you can't say that I open the door here with the vote is going to be the vote.

2789
05:19:32,000 --> 05:19:35,000
Whatever it is, you can say you close the door.

2790
05:19:35,000 --> 05:19:37,000
I have an open any door.

2791
05:19:37,000 --> 05:19:40,000
I just don't feel that based on what we've looked at here.

2792
05:19:40,000 --> 05:19:43,000
That how we define certain terms I don't agree with.

2793
05:19:43,000 --> 05:19:45,000
Not in this case.

2794
05:19:45,000 --> 05:19:52,000
Well, I, as I say, I respectfully disagree in the sense that the word of you just use and we're going to have a lot more appeals come in.

2795
05:19:52,000 --> 05:19:55,000
And the ground is going to be a lot more temporary.

2796
05:19:55,000 --> 05:20:01,000
You can maybe have a lot more appeals to come in, but I'm that's not my purpose here at all to get more appeals.

2797
05:20:01,000 --> 05:20:06,000
If we have to change the definition or we have to clarify the definition or whatever.

2798
05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:07,000
Let's do it.

2799
05:20:07,000 --> 05:20:09,000
I don't want to see any more appeals.

2800
05:20:09,000 --> 05:20:12,000
I don't want to see one appeal.

2801
05:20:12,000 --> 05:20:15,000
We've seen enough of these appeals in my view.

2802
05:20:15,000 --> 05:20:22,000
And you know, we can sit here and try to figure out what people were thinking, whether they're being honest,

2803
05:20:22,000 --> 05:20:25,000
whether being candid, whether they're being real and everything else.

2804
05:20:25,000 --> 05:20:29,000
And we don't know the answer to those questions in every single case.

2805
05:20:29,000 --> 05:20:33,000
And we can come back and say, these are the rules and this is what we're going to do.

2806
05:20:33,000 --> 05:20:37,000
But I think there are times when we have to look back and say,

2807
05:20:37,000 --> 05:20:40,000
okay, how do we want to define these terms?

2808
05:20:40,000 --> 05:20:44,000
And yes, the planning commission voted 42 on this.

2809
05:20:44,000 --> 05:20:46,000
Two people voted against it.

2810
05:20:46,000 --> 05:20:49,000
Okay, so it's not a slam dunk here.

2811
05:20:49,000 --> 05:20:52,000
And yes, I wasn't involved when you did this.

2812
05:20:52,000 --> 05:20:56,000
I know you have more ownership in this than I do because I wasn't involved in it.

2813
05:20:56,000 --> 05:21:03,000
Okay, but I still don't think that what's happening with this particular case is the intent of the rules.

2814
05:21:03,000 --> 05:21:05,000
I don't feel that way.

2815
05:21:05,000 --> 05:21:07,000
So we have a motion.

2816
05:21:07,000 --> 05:21:08,000
We have a second.

2817
05:21:08,000 --> 05:21:09,000
All those in favor.

2818
05:21:09,000 --> 05:21:10,000
Say aye.

2819
05:21:10,000 --> 05:21:11,000
Aye.

2820
05:21:11,000 --> 05:21:12,000
Opposed.

2821
05:21:12,000 --> 05:21:13,000
No.

2822
05:21:13,000 --> 05:21:14,000
Okay.

2823
05:21:14,000 --> 05:21:15,000
Passes.

2824
05:21:15,000 --> 05:21:16,000
Three to two.

2825
05:21:16,000 --> 05:21:20,000
I will bring back a revised resolution for you at your next meeting.

2826
05:21:20,000 --> 05:21:21,000
Thank you.

2827
05:21:21,000 --> 05:21:22,000
Thank you.

2828
05:21:22,000 --> 05:21:23,000
Thanks for back on.

2829
05:21:23,000 --> 05:21:25,000
Thank you.

2830
05:21:25,000 --> 05:21:27,000
Thank you.

2831
05:21:27,000 --> 05:21:29,000
All right.

2832
05:21:29,000 --> 05:21:30,000
Number 14.

2833
05:21:30,000 --> 05:21:33,000
An ordinance fake head in a portion of utility and drainage instruments.

2834
05:21:33,000 --> 05:21:43,000
Located on lots 46 47 48 49 50 51 58 59 to Glen sub division PL 202 50 402.

2835
05:21:43,000 --> 05:21:47,000
Second reading of this ordinance.

2836
05:21:47,000 --> 05:21:49,000
Is that you were back up for Jeremy?

2837
05:21:49,000 --> 05:21:50,000
It is.

2838
05:21:50,000 --> 05:21:53,000
I let Jeremy go home.

2839
05:21:53,000 --> 05:21:55,000
This is a pretty straightforward.

2840
05:21:55,000 --> 05:21:56,000
Excuse me.

2841
05:21:56,000 --> 05:22:01,000
Vacation requests it's a long.

2842
05:22:01,000 --> 05:22:07,000
Road rear lot lines of a row of lots in the.

2843
05:22:07,000 --> 05:22:09,000
In the Glen subdivision.

2844
05:22:09,000 --> 05:22:16,000
We are retaining wall was constructed and it encroaches into some utility and existing utility and drainage machines.

2845
05:22:16,000 --> 05:22:19,000
So to correct that and bring that wall into compliant.

2846
05:22:19,000 --> 05:22:21,000
Compliance theory.

2847
05:22:21,000 --> 05:22:31,000
vacation of portions of those easements and all of the utility providers have signed off on that and so staff is recommending approval.

2848
05:22:31,000 --> 05:22:33,000
Any questions?

2849
05:22:33,000 --> 05:22:40,000
I just didn't realize on the first go around that the retaining wall had already been built and it was an error.

2850
05:22:40,000 --> 05:22:42,000
Yeah.

2851
05:22:42,000 --> 05:22:44,000
Okay.

2852
05:22:45,000 --> 05:22:46,000
Okay.

2853
05:22:46,000 --> 05:22:49,000
Is there anybody in the room who would like to make a public comment?

2854
05:22:49,000 --> 05:22:51,000
There are online.

2855
05:22:51,000 --> 05:22:52,000
Raise your hand.

2856
05:22:52,000 --> 05:22:53,000
Seeing none.

2857
05:22:53,000 --> 05:22:54,000
We'll close public comment.

2858
05:22:54,000 --> 05:22:57,000
Bring it back for a motion.

2859
05:22:57,000 --> 05:22:58,000
Oh.

2860
05:22:58,000 --> 05:22:59,000
Oh.

2861
05:22:59,000 --> 05:23:00,000
I'm so moved.

2862
05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:01,000
Yep.

2863
05:23:01,000 --> 05:23:02,000
Okay.

2864
05:23:02,000 --> 05:23:03,000
We have a motion.

2865
05:23:03,000 --> 05:23:04,000
Council of Gary.

2866
05:23:04,000 --> 05:23:05,000
Second by Council of Barnes.

2867
05:23:05,000 --> 05:23:06,000
All those in favor say aye.

2868
05:23:06,000 --> 05:23:07,000
Aye.

2869
05:23:07,000 --> 05:23:08,000
Opposed.

2870
05:23:08,000 --> 05:23:10,000
That's a five zero.

2871
05:23:10,000 --> 05:23:11,000
Number 15.

2872
05:23:11,000 --> 05:23:17,000
I'm reading an ordinance for supplemental budget appropriation ordinance of 2026.

2873
05:23:17,000 --> 05:23:22,000
In Webber Finance Director, this is the force supplemental budget appropriation.

2874
05:23:22,000 --> 05:23:27,000
It appropriates about five point six million dollars of expenditures.

2875
05:23:27,000 --> 05:23:31,000
Use of reserves two point seven million.

2876
05:23:31,000 --> 05:23:40,000
The majority of that or about one point four million of that is transferring money from the accommodation tax fund.

2877
05:23:40,000 --> 05:23:51,000
To the capital fund to for the slate Creek property acquisition and the rest of them are mostly grants and have course funding revenue.

2878
05:23:51,000 --> 05:23:55,000
But I'm happy to answer any questions regarding the detail.

2879
05:23:55,000 --> 05:23:57,000
Thank you.

2880
05:23:57,000 --> 05:24:01,000
Do we have any questions for Kim on this for supplemental.

2881
05:24:01,000 --> 05:24:03,000
No questions.

2882
05:24:03,000 --> 05:24:09,000
But once again, I want to thank our staff for the grant writing and how we got those CEO grants.

2883
05:24:09,000 --> 05:24:12,000
To get so much done on the supplemental.

2884
05:24:12,000 --> 05:24:17,000
We let it fly through on the consent agenda, but really if you look at the numbers.

2885
05:24:17,000 --> 05:24:20,000
They made us almost two million dollars in grant.

2886
05:24:20,000 --> 05:24:22,000
So thank you, staff.

2887
05:24:22,000 --> 05:24:24,000
Okay.

2888
05:24:24,000 --> 05:24:29,000
We'll open it up for any public comment in the room or any public comment online.

2889
05:24:29,000 --> 05:24:31,000
Please raise your hand.

2890
05:24:31,000 --> 05:24:32,000
Seeing now.

2891
05:24:32,000 --> 05:24:33,000
We'll close public comment.

2892
05:24:33,000 --> 05:24:34,000
Bring it back.

2893
05:24:34,000 --> 05:24:36,000
For a motion.

2894
05:24:36,000 --> 05:24:38,000
Motion to approve.

2895
05:24:38,000 --> 05:24:40,000
Second motion from Councillor Dixon.

2896
05:24:40,000 --> 05:24:41,000
Second.

2897
05:24:41,000 --> 05:24:42,000
Second.

2898
05:24:42,000 --> 05:24:43,000
From Councillor Gary.

2899
05:24:43,000 --> 05:24:44,000
All those in favor say aye.

2900
05:24:44,000 --> 05:24:46,000
I opposed.

2901
05:24:46,000 --> 05:24:48,000
Motion passes five zero.

2902
05:24:48,000 --> 05:24:52,000
Dan you have a draft on the administrative lease letter.

2903
05:24:52,000 --> 05:24:54,000
I do have a letter.

2904
05:24:54,000 --> 05:24:56,000
Briefly.

2905
05:24:56,000 --> 05:25:02,000
You all may be familiar with the fact that we've encountered some problems with the for service lease.

2906
05:25:02,000 --> 05:25:05,000
In connection with the Hilltop project.

2907
05:25:05,000 --> 05:25:11,000
And the essence of the problem is that the for service regulations require that their

2908
05:25:11,000 --> 05:25:15,000
leases include human lateral termination language.

2909
05:25:15,000 --> 05:25:17,000
That is, you know, it's problematic.

2910
05:25:17,000 --> 05:25:19,000
I think we would have a hard time entering into it.

2911
05:25:19,000 --> 05:25:23,000
And in the commercial lending world, it's just, it's a deal breaker.

2912
05:25:23,000 --> 05:25:30,000
So the for services proposing to change the rules to allow for leases that are more acceptable to commercial

2913
05:25:30,000 --> 05:25:32,000
lenders.

2914
05:25:32,000 --> 05:25:38,000
And this proposed letter would be a comment to encourage the for service to proceed with that.

2915
05:25:38,000 --> 05:25:42,000
Now, I do want to say that this role probably is is a good idea.

2916
05:25:42,000 --> 05:25:52,000
I mean, it's intended to protect the for service from, you know, basically giving away property without getting a corresponding public interest.

2917
05:25:52,000 --> 05:25:56,000
So I think there is sort of a needle to be threaded here with this regulation.

2918
05:25:56,000 --> 05:26:06,000
The letter attempts to balance, you know, our interest in in supporting this initiative by the for service and the USDA, which is the agency that we'd approve this.

2919
05:26:06,000 --> 05:26:09,000
With, you know, not not going too far.

2920
05:26:09,000 --> 05:26:12,000
So that being said, that's what we tried to do.

2921
05:26:12,000 --> 05:26:14,000
We tried to strike a balance for this letter.

2922
05:26:14,000 --> 05:26:20,000
And when I say we actually mean, Jim Bach wrote this to give credit where it's due.

2923
05:26:20,000 --> 05:26:25,000
But if you want to try to change that balance, we can, we can amend this thing tonight.

2924
05:26:25,000 --> 05:26:28,000
But it does have to go out by the fifth to make the deadline.

2925
05:26:28,000 --> 05:26:33,000
So if you want to make changes, we have to do it on the flight tonight.

2926
05:26:33,000 --> 05:26:37,000
And this is what we need in order to get that hill top lease in place.

2927
05:26:37,000 --> 05:26:42,000
Yes, this would remove the the principal impediment to proceeding.

2928
05:26:42,000 --> 05:26:47,000
And there are some other issues relating to the terms of assignments and so forth.

2929
05:26:47,000 --> 05:26:51,000
But we should be able to work around those if if this piece gets fixed.

2930
05:26:51,000 --> 05:26:54,000
And I also want to manage expectations.

2931
05:26:54,000 --> 05:26:59,000
I don't know how long it's going to take before they actually move proceed with this rule change.

2932
05:26:59,000 --> 05:27:07,000
So this doesn't mean it's going to happen, you know, next week or next month, but hopefully at some point.

2933
05:27:07,000 --> 05:27:15,000
I feel like that first the opening paragraph in the last few sentences really hit on.

2934
05:27:15,000 --> 05:27:18,000
That balance or trying to achieve.

2935
05:27:22,000 --> 05:27:29,000
I'm not sure how else we could say it, you know, without.

2936
05:27:29,000 --> 05:27:32,000
Not sending a letter.

2937
05:27:32,000 --> 05:27:39,000
Yeah, yes, I mean, I had kind of suggested to Dan that maybe we expand on the fourth paragraph a little bit, right?

2938
05:27:39,000 --> 05:27:45,000
I mean, more not to address, I mean, I understand where the four services coming from, but really to address.

2939
05:27:45,000 --> 05:27:56,000
This comment one which is, you know, I think the people who are opposed to this really are responding to the administration's intent to try to sell public lands.

2940
05:27:56,000 --> 05:28:01,000
And so my thought was maybe just trying to clarify a little bit more.

2941
05:28:01,000 --> 05:28:10,000
And take the opportunity to talk about the housing crisis and how this would help, you know, is one tool in the toolkit, but if we have to.

2942
05:28:10,000 --> 05:28:20,000
It submitted by Friday, I think the final, you know, comment regarding the definition, you know, including affordable housing partnerships with local and state governments.

2943
05:28:20,000 --> 05:28:24,000
I mean, just being clear that the intent here is.

2944
05:28:24,000 --> 05:28:28,000
That, you know, wanting to use this for affordable housing.

2945
05:28:28,000 --> 05:28:33,000
So I think the letter is fine as is.

2946
05:28:34,000 --> 05:28:38,000
Okay, any other thoughts, and it's even.

2947
05:28:38,000 --> 05:28:42,000
I'd say affordable housing is that and and no, the affordable housing is already there.

2948
05:28:42,000 --> 05:28:45,000
I, but I look at four, 10, 10, 10.

2949
05:28:45,000 --> 05:28:53,000
Again, it's in the last, the last paragraph on the screen, the underlying is, is Jen's proposed edition.

2950
05:28:53,000 --> 05:28:54,000
Got it.

2951
05:28:54,000 --> 05:28:58,000
To the, including those affordable housing, right?

2952
05:28:58,000 --> 05:28:59,000
Yep.

2953
05:28:59,000 --> 05:29:00,000
Yeah.

2954
05:29:00,000 --> 05:29:01,000
Yeah, I like it.

2955
05:29:02,000 --> 05:29:11,000
I just got a little bit hung up on or thought that anybody who kind of scans is a reads that when we talk about.

2956
05:29:11,000 --> 05:29:19,000
You know, this provision would never be acceptable in a commercial lease where investors would need to be reliant upon the good, well, you know, of the forest service, you know.

2957
05:29:19,000 --> 05:29:25,000
I just thought that caused a little bit of doubt, but as I say.

2958
05:29:25,000 --> 05:29:30,000
I don't think it's worth holding up.

2959
05:29:30,000 --> 05:29:35,000
Anyone else have a thought.

2960
05:29:35,000 --> 05:29:37,000
Okay.

2961
05:29:37,000 --> 05:29:43,000
We've given Dan a thumbs up on this then since it has to be in by the fifth.

2962
05:29:43,000 --> 05:29:44,000
Thank you.

2963
05:29:44,000 --> 05:29:46,000
That's all every tonight.

2964
05:29:46,000 --> 05:29:48,000
Thank you, Dan.

2965
05:29:48,000 --> 05:29:49,000
Thanks, Dan.

2966
05:29:49,000 --> 05:29:54,000
And finally, minutes from May 12th.

2967
05:29:54,000 --> 05:29:59,000
Anybody have any revisions or comments about that or would like to.

2968
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:03,000
We have to make a motion to approve those.

2969
05:30:03,000 --> 05:30:05,000
Motion to approve? Second.

2970
05:30:05,000 --> 05:30:10,000
Motion by Councillor Dixon, second by Councillor Garry, all those in favor say aye.

2971
05:30:10,000 --> 05:30:11,000
Aye.

2972
05:30:11,000 --> 05:30:14,000
Motion passes five zero.

2973
05:30:14,000 --> 05:30:19,000
Is there any other business for tonight?

2974
05:30:19,000 --> 05:30:22,000
And let's have a motion to adjourn.

2975
05:30:22,000 --> 05:30:25,000
Motion to adjourn. All those in favor say aye.

2976
05:30:25,000 --> 05:30:27,000
Aye.

2977
05:30:27,000 --> 05:30:29,000
Good night, everyone.

2978
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:33,000
Recording.