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Welcome back everyone to meeting budget
sessions. Um we kind of got through

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everything a real deep dive the big
crash points about bigger changes and

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things that brought up going through
those. It'd be nice if we kind of

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revisited each of those again. If we
missed anything, just let me know. Um

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uh again I want to thank our department
heads this year. You're not going to

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come here and things here from me until
we're already until we're completely

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fully adopted. But great budgets
presented

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auditor's office best look we've had yet
going in to this ability to let us get

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online and do things. Christina ran with
that. Thank Christina for it was a great

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tool for all of us investment time and
energy. appreciate it and I couldn't be

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more humbled and proud to serve on this
council. So, great question.

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Okay, ready to dive in?
>> Health department.

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» Start with you. [laughter]

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» I don't know.

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[clears throat]

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Sorry, I wasn't here last week.

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» Yes.
>> So, I know it's kind of messy, so I

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apologize, but we did decrease back down
to our original salaries.

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And I discussed this with Ruth just a
little bit ago. And then we were going

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to take one of our full-time positions
that is split between

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um 7376 and 1159 and eliminate that
position down to park.

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It's got the one4.
That's what I was trying to find number

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two. Yeah. One104.
>> Okay.

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» So that 31,000 will be eliminated from
1159.

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[clears throat]

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And then we also gave up insurance for
Dr. Chrisman for the health officer

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position moving forward. And then this
position would no longer have benefits

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either. So that would decrease our
insurance and per

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line goes to part time.
>> Yes.

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And I was going to move her over to
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do that now. I have copies for you.

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» I know it's a lot. I'm sorry. What do
you need me to explain?

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» No.
>> No. And I'm going to apologize. I am

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recovering from vertigo this weekend. So
my question is 11.

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You're moving her to 1161
as a part-time person on the time

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person.
>> So she will be the

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31,00050.
>> No, she'll be 28125

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» because she has a different pay. That
person that is 31050 is going to be

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reduced also to no longer have a line
there.

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» So the 28 what was the rest of that
please?

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» 28125.
Thank you.

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» It's going to be parttime and it's going
to be for how much? $25 an hour. Oh, you

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want the total? Uh 28125.
>> So rather than the 30

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» Oh, I was writing that down as the final
number. I apologize.

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» But it would go under 11611410
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» feel like I'm talking.

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» So the employee that they gained during
the health initiative

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they have just gotten rid of the uh
person going part time and a part-time

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going correct.
[clears throat and cough]

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So my question is going to be
that when you add that to 1169

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the cash balance if I'm correct is
already going to take a substantial hit

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by the end of the year. Correct. That's
why we were worried about it and that

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there isn't enough cash balance to to
carry the difference. We are not we were

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not positive 11. I have C carry over
from 2024 and 2025 that I am using for

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1161.
>> How much is that?

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» Our carryover for 2024
was 19,41423.

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And then for 2025, I'm now using
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which gives me a remaining balance if
you want that number also for 2025.

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» So is it does that make the cash balance
you gave us of the two 227,500

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that's included cash?
>> That's included in the cash balance,

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right? So it's almost neutral,

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» but it's decreased and that cash balance
will continue to decrease till the end

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of the year,
[clears throat and cough]

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» right?
>> Yes.

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» We only got 180.
>> And last year that total budget was

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30245.
So if we only got 180 and then we were

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eating into that cash balance of the and
that it was at 227500

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and you thought it would continue to
decrease and the rest of the year. Do we

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know what we think it'll be at the end
of the year?

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» I don't think we've done that those
calculations.

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» Can so we've spent
179 of 179 706 out of it already at the

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end of August. So we had so the rest of
the year whatever is left will come out

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of the cash balance would be the
thought. Is that correct?

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» Are you following my train of thought?
[clears throat]

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» So
>> so moving out of the position 27%.

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» Yeah. Mine is whether or not the year
we'll be able to support if we'll be

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able to get all through 2027 without
that cash balance being gone.

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So I guess my question is when you look
at the location budget, how much

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unexpended has how much is there left to
be spent has been appropriated, right?

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Would that be a decent number to take
off that cash balance to give us kind of

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an understanding?
>> 1161, right?

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» And 1161.
>> I have do you guys have any

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» I have this

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making sense.

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Last year we appropriated 302,400.
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It only got 180 this year.
>> We have expended which they pulled this

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budget 170 not yet 180. So we so we've
expended the revenue from this year. So

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all that's left to to support in the
last quarter is the cash balance

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» which

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1159
>> 1161 was 164. So that cash balance of

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164 has
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» 40,000
less even

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less. The line is is we take whatever
the cash balance is, whatever the

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location budget needs to be spent, and
that should give us the injured

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estimated number.
>> Yep.

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» And then that plus they know they're
going to get 182. So those two numbers

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together, is it enough to cover what
we're doing here so that it

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will just exhaust all of 1169 next year?
>> Yeah, we have $44,000

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» left.
>> Left.

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» You're better with numbers in your head.
I'll trust you. I [laughter] told you my

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brain is right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There should be about

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$44,000 difference.
>> That's why I'm pushing.

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» This is just a general is going to have
to take a hit.

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» Yeah.
>> Come through the quarter next year.

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That's why
>> so that 164 396

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» cash balance minus 36,000
>> car that's in there is

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» 28,000. Well, and if you just took,
right, if I just took her 302 minus what

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she spent, that would leave us about
what she needs to spend the rest of the

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year. 302 405, [clears throat] right?
179706

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out of it. So, it's [laughter] 122,700
that she has left to spend. So, how does

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42,000 in there?
So if we end the year with 42,000

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and they're going to make not make their
res 182

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gives you
>> 224 and we were at 226 before we put in

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[clears throat]
position.

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» That's neutral plus this position is
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» but this one went away.
>> So that

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» so we're actually looking at a $3,000.
So actually 223

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» the part oh the part time that was there
>> that went away

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and we got that other one by another
thousand down there too.

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» So you're I mean you're breaking dead
even.

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» Yeah.
>> There's no

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» Yes. And I apolog
>> in long session so they might adjust.

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It's priority for them to put more money
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» we're the only ones.
>> Oh, I don't think we're hang on a

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minute. [clears throat]

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» 11. So

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» if ours last year was 394, it brings it
to whatus

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37,000.

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Yeah. So, we're going to 460 now.

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[clears throat]

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» I don't think an increase of a levy for
like a 100 grand is going to be that

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much of a
>> So, that changes this.

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» Say that again.
If it's just $100,000,

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then how do they
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much because

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not
very minimal,

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» but we're affect
So you're going

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» it's going to pull from

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» 494 304
>> is where 1159.

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[laughter]
So how I understand

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» it's 494 304

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» but that also she said she all the wages
back so that's actually not hang

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» yeah I have that if you take all the
wages back I have 4630

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30.

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» Yes.

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» The admin fee, not the full.
>> So, we pick up all

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pick up any
>> we'll get to that.

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» Okay. Any more questions for
[clears throat] the department?

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» I'm getting clarification on carryover
because it's worded different to us than

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it is in your guys' terms.

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» I'm not quite sure. I understood it as
it was held at the state,

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» but I might be wrong. So, that's what
I'm getting.

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» Okay. verification course.

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» I also misunderstood, McKenna, that you
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that part time
>> from 116 or 1159. 1161.

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» Yeah. But in 1161, they said you were
removing the 31 and taking it to 28. I

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was adding them together.
>> Oh, yeah.

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» [clears throat]

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» Okay.
>> Does that look better?

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» Yeah. Thank you so much.
>> Well done. Last minute.

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» I mean, we're literally sitting here
thinking, do we have to adopt a new

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rate?
>> Yeah.

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» Health or major cuts.
>> Yeah. I was here yesterday for hours.

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So, yeah.
>> [clears throat]

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» And then I'll get clarification from the
state on if it's cash balance or if it's

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carry.
>> Thank you for all your effort.

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» Anybody else have anything? Thank you.
>> No, thank you for being willing to

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thank.
>> Yes. Thank you.

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» I went in thinking I'm gonna have to
work in all the work with that. Thank

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you.

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So they actually gave us two health
insurance.

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» Yes. [clears throat]

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» Yeah.
I

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» mean that's big for us.
>> Yeah.

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So that's going to look even
better there.

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» That affects inside of So we were
talking about the fact that she gave us

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two health insurancees then because
[snorts] Chrisman came up came off and

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with her taking a full position to part
time that came off. So we don't see that

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in her budget, but we would see that in
the commissioner's budget insurance,

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» which is big. That's our biggest
variable in general.

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» That's huge.
>> What she just did? Yes, it is.

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» We'll cycle back to the community
corrections work release request letter

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that we got. I just want to make sure
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before we close door on that that we're
all on the same page

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that
department

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are okay with it.
Big deficit program. We we do have the

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uh health insurance
positions

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but um they the grants are funded for
the added cost health insurance but all

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the claims

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if it's not there comes off and

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maybe who knows maybe many counties are
in the same position we are not

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understanding things how they're going
to fund it to continue it because of

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what the state did and maybe as they go
into session down there if it's not

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funed for many counties they'll work
hard

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everybody okay with where we left that
unfunded right now

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» yeah I just I don't I don't know how it
fits right now and it's

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You're in jail is my biggest concern.
>> That's my concern is what is it going to

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do to you?
>> It works.

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» We will find out. Is it is it going to
throw you way out of rat? I mean it it

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comes down to 18 or 19 actual bodies. Is
that right?

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» I want to say 14 was in my head.
>> Yeah.

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How many people are on it?

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We'll have to look for I think it was

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» it's about being able to afford it.
I wonder if this was you, Mike, because

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you're closer to the court

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if when they're in court about it and if
that's not happening,

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» could they go either direction depending
on the offense and the judge and you

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know what I mean? Does it necessarily
push them all into incarceration or not?

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Well, that that's the that's the
question the advisory board just has to

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handle is whether or not that may just
push everybody to a home detention

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monitoriization type of situation. But
there are some people on work release

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obviously that don't qualify for that
just because of charges or whatever

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there may be. We think we think we were
just a little higher than that. I think

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we were at 20 the last time, two months
ago, but I don't know where they're at

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today because we're in that interim
period of having a temporary director

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and she's she's doing what she can, but
I haven't asked her as far as her

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numbers are where they're at.
>> But if tomorrow, and not all 20 would,

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but if tomorrow, if you got hit with 20
more, is it going to put you hugely out

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of balance?
>> Uh, well, sure. It's what it'll do is

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it'll push us right to maximum bed
capacity. It'll push us right at that

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80%.
State state says 80.

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» What would happen with that? Let's let's
say okay January one there's no funding.

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What happens with those that are already
in Are the court's going to have to look

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at that again?
>> Yes.

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Yeah. I I don't know what will happen
that

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Pam's in here. Pam will probably take a
lot of heat on that as well. I mean, as

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long as with us, not not that it's our
fault. I mean, she'll probably see some

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participants come back her way. We'll
probably see some participants be

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incarcerated and
then the county will have to figure out

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a program because really truly at the
end of the day I think the total was

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over aundred people in one way or
another on that program like 115 or

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something
>> in

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work release and home detention. Do you
mean 100?

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» Yeah. But on the actual because we're
not talking about getting rid of work

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release,
right?

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» We're only talking about the work
release position. But if we're going to

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get hit, if it's going to cause our
insurance to jump, if it's going to I

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mean, if that price, if that 200,000
>> is going to just come from somewhere

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else that we don't have an option,
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» then it is do we need to figure it out
and keep it? It would be better for us

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to be in control of it for someone else
to dictate what we have to respond to.

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Yes.
To answer, do we just pass $200,000

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though? I I don't think we can give that
answer just yet. We have another couple

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advisory board committee meetings and uh
I know the the current director is

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working on numbers on what they think
and then with the new director. We're

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getting we're about ready to get a new
director. Well, I shouldn't say we're

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about it's we're heading down that path
right now selecting one.

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It's going to be difficult here. I have
I have no guidance to give you. Bill's

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on the board. Pam's on the board. Will
there's a or Andy's on the board.

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Laughlin, Commissioner Laughlin. So,
right now we're really in an unknown.

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» Let's see if we can keep it on pause
button. Is that

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» I think it's gonna when we come down to
final numbers, I think we're going to

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have to talk about it. Sounds like to me
as an option the back door. You don't

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want it to hit us next.

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[clears throat]

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» I know it's tough when you don't talk
about

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» I I don't foresee the program shutting
off.

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» I don't think at all.
>> If if if word release was to close, the

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reduction in employees alone is going to
save quite a bit.

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What was saying the cost per participant
in work release was just astronomical

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cost.

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» It was all inside the grant. So no
matter what, it wasn't hitting us

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anywhere else.
>> Right.

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» Right.
>> Right. But but he's saying if we just

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took it over, it would cost us a lot
more than it should for participants.

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[clears throat]
>> Okay.

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» So it's a balance between that and other
unknown costs. I don't know. I think I

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pretend it was just let it
>> Yeah.

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» Okay. U
keep that tag as well. Assessor's

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office.

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[clears throat]

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You guys refer to the fact book a lot.
Factbook is information based on

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based on census. You can't use the fact
book when you talk in property taxes. We

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do not tax small children. We do not tax
renters. We do not tax people who live

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in any kind of um assisted living.
Right? So all of this here

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» that would be the case assessor's office
for another department

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» all assessor's office everything in the
property tax I'm talking recorder

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assessor auditor treasurer probably your
building department and even your

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surveyor we all go by parcel count now
my parcel counts on this first page I've

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just highlighted the number of words
because I already [clears throat] had I

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had full-time employee counted four so
if you look at those orange numbers I'm

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19,000 parcels more than one of us.
16,000 parcels more, 12,000 parcels

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more. I do more work than those counties
who have four people do. If you look at

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page two, I highlighted down in the lo

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and
I am more closer related to Noble. He

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has 140 lake freshwater lakes and ponds.
Of his freshwater lakes and ponds, he

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maybe has six or eight that could
compete with our 18 or 20. I have more

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bigger half million dollar plus than he
has. So if you look, I'm more comparable

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than Noble, [clears throat] but I'm
still doing 12,700 more parcels on one

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less employee.
Okay.

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So when you look at the personal or when
you look at the property tax, you have

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to look at our parcel count. So then
page three, I just gave you some stats

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what those 40,000 parcels can equal and
the amount of work that it causes.

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Give me my little hold of the um we just
got the the June sales this here. Nice

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little handful of of property cards is
what we get in sales. This is how many

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splits transferred new plaques. This
here's a bunch of of garage condos. Um

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these here get touched um three and four
different ways for each [clears throat]

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we've got to go through nowadays. We got
to go through and do sales disclosures.

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We got to go through and do deed
transfers. Um, our software is not

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compatible with the new software that
the auditor has. So, we still have to do

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all of this data entry and double
checking to make sure we match with

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them. Everything
is number driven.

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If you look at the last page,
just to validate, sorry,

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just to validate, um, back in 2018, I
had a full-time employee who left um, in

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September. At the same time, I had
someone who was retiring in December,

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and you guys defunded me. So, I in
essence lost two skilled and talented

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people at the same time, and I brought
in a brand new girl. It takes

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[clears throat] good year. You only see
some of this stuff once a year. It takes

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a good year to go through it and it's
the second year when you really start

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going, "Oh, yeah." And you start
catching on to it. The same time we're

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trying to get the certification and
training. It's not easy to have somebody

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walk in and be
heatedly discussing their values that

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may have gone up or their tax bill that
they just got in April. You hear

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[clears throat]
the word spike was mentioned. We have

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spikes when we mail the tax bills. We
have spikes when we when we mail our

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form 11s, when um [clears throat] sales
um tax sale deeds go out, when anything,

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you know, even at the end of the year
when people want to come in for their

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homesteads, that's a spike. We have
deadlines we're constantly working on.

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We don't really have a hey Kim, it's
slow and you don't have anything to do.

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We've always got something going on and
it's constant. So that last page that

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I've drawn your attention to back when I
took office county general was 78,000 to

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$81,000

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asked. That's how much county general
budgeted and spent for my office over

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the years. And some of it was with the
help of of will we move some of that a

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lot of it over to reassessment.
[clears throat]

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So reassessment now is funding that
stuff. If you look at the very next one,

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my reassessment budget, Christina made a
comment that I'm carrying quarter

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million dollars, but I'm budgeting over
$300,000 out of that. So it's coming in

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with my with my tax settlements and then
it's going out. But that one used to be

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at 675,000
when I took office. So we did do a cash

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burn. I think we ran a couple of
employees out of it for a couple years.

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I now try to keep it around the 280,000
um cash balance because it's fluid. I've

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got money coming in with May settlement
and again with the November settlement.

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So, I try to keep that one a little bit
lower and I don't know if Will remembers

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working with me on that, but you know,
there was no reason to keep, you know,

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680,000
in in an account. Um, but that one there

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covers my contracts. That one covers my
pable hearing. Um, some office supplies.

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I mean, a big bulk of it comes out of
that reassessment.

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Um, my sales disclosure fund is my
limited one. That one carries a $70,000

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balance right now. That one there,
though, I'm limited on what I can spend.

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I can do travel, training, self-exposure
stuff, you know. So, I am really

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watching what I'm trying to ask county
general for.

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um in moving it to those other accounts
and I really

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tightened the belts um over the the last
12 years.

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Um yes, we do have certifications. Yes,
those certifications do have um a siphon

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that comes along with it, but we warrant
certifications. We want talents and

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abilities to be able to handle when
those people come in and they have their

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heated discussions with us. If you can't
be yelled at in my office, you're not

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going to last. Um because they come in
and their guns are both and sometimes

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it's a husband and wife and they're
hitting you and you got to be able to

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control you control them and talk them
through it. Sometimes they leave and

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they're a friend. Um sometimes they
leave and they're not. Um we have we

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used to have 400 uh [clears throat]
appeals every year. This year by the

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grace of God 253.
Um so we are managing getting accurate

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assessments but again a lot of that is
because we do stay certified. We do keep

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our levels and our training which is
important. Everything starts with the

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most excess value. If you
[clears throat] don't have the value, if

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it falls, your tax rates are going to
go. You know, with SBA1, your tax rates

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are probably going to go up anyway, but
I didn't [clears throat] keep my my GAV

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going. It'll help you less.
um

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when you looked at your numbers and you
said that I'm employeeheavy or or

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whatever because you think I have too
many people um taking away people makes

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us miss our deadlines. We miss our
deadlines. We get on we get you know

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dinged from the DLGF. We miss our
deadlines. Kelly misses her deadlines.

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you know, all of this snowballs if I
can't stay on top of all of the work

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that's there.

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So, I'm gonna apologize. I didn't start
with the fact book. The factbook was a

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question afterwards. Can't find my paper
and I apologize.

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I initially did a review of all of our
major elected officials, the clerk, the

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recorder, the assessor, the auditor, and
the treasurer.

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I looked at how much your budgets were
and how many people you had.

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You had the largest budget if you
removed the bond from the auditor's

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office because that's not really her.
That's the commissioner and the council

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to pay the lease bond payment. If you
removed that, you were the highest

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budget on that that existed. You were
the largest amount of employees or not

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the largest, you were behind the
auditor's office. I apologize, but after

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that and then since I had been elected,
the treasurer, the auditor, and the

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clerk's office had all given back
positions.

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I had went and spoke with pre
um liaison. They said they'd had

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conversation about that your office.
They thought that this wasn't the first

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time that the conversation about you
being employee topheavy happened.

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That conversation happened. Lisa is the
one that asked me to look into numbers

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of in your office compared to other
counties. I did that. Then

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[clears throat] it was my understanding
that a conversation had happened before

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that if you had lost a position that we
would have a conversation about

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replacing that. that happened in
December of last year. You did have

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someone who left your office and that it
was filled when that would have been

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maybe our time to have the the
conversation about whether or not this

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could have happened without us just
defunding. So, I didn't just start with

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this and I apologize I showed up early
the first day of budgets. I know it was

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horrible timing on me and I apologize to
try to talk to you outside of a meeting

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and I'm sorry that I didn't get here
till then. I I didn't know you had

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conference. So, first of all, I'm sorry,
but it was [clears throat]

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and when I talked about your $2 and
some,000 in your assessment wasn't about

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your balance. It was about the fact that
not only were you the second highest on

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employees, but you spent 246 $262,000
a year on professional contracts. So if

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you're subbing out that work,

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we needed to have a conversation about
the position. That's where it came from.

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» And as my liaison, I mean, those are
something that possibly should have been

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discussed.
>> I long before budget.

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» What exactly does that equal? What
exactly does that do? When you figure up

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one of the classes that we have to do is
figures how much you're supposed to have

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for your your full-time employee. We're
supposed to have between 10 and 12

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people to be able to do our job
completely. And that is on-site um re

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reassessment all the way through, you
know, doing everything that we do. The

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Nexus Group does all of my ratio study.
That's a big chunk of that contract. Um

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is the ratio study. I'm going to say
it's probably $75,000 a year. But we

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have 500 neighborhoods. Each of those
neighborhoods have to be individually

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matched and figured out what did what
were the sales and what are the sales.

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Now you then have to go into each one of
those neighborhoods and you have to put

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in that four six 8% increases. Now on
each one of the people um you have front

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foot, you have rear foot, you have um
residential, you have excess residential

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farmland, you got this, this this, you
have more for one neighborhood, one

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parcel, you may have six or eight lines
within that. That's all calculated. So

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it's a bunch of maths and the computer
doesn't

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do it 100% for you. You have to go in
and manually do it. huge undertaking.

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But that's a lot of what that part is.
They also do all of the boots in the

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dirt. They do all of my new
construction. They do all my

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[clears throat] industrial. I I can say
four employees just by having them do

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it.
>> And I get that. I think that we have

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several departments that don't run on
the numbers that the state says they

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should have to what they do have. Right.
I mean, I think I mean, the jail runs

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that way. I think I mean unfortunately
we're trying to meet a need of a county

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that on paper
doesn't match what actually happens here

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in lots of different departments. I I
but if you look at this you're willing

426
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:55,119
to cut me to three people. You look at
this here yellow numbers that I got.

427
00:35:52,480 --> 00:36:00,800
Your three pupil is someone who has
13,000 parcels less than me. 16,000

428
00:35:57,839 --> 00:36:06,800
parcels less than me, you know, 18,000
parcels less than me.

429
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:11,404
18,000 parcels. Come on. Who's going to
do all that?

430
00:36:09,384 --> 00:36:11,404
[clears throat]

431
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,280
Now, I will tell you that there's a
county to the south of us that they

432
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:21,359
don't have they have one less employee
than me. They have less parcels than me,

433
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:26,960
but they also have their contract doing
more work than me.

434
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:30,960
I I can move it to my contract, but it's
going to still cost.

435
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:37,359
» So, what is the difference between
moving it to a contract,

436
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:44,320
» having them do the do all of the work,
>> right? I'm um $180,000

437
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:47,839
limited that
you know

438
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:54,160
it's still got to come out and then my
reassessment is going to be

439
00:36:50,960 --> 00:37:00,480
taxed if we raise it by 180,000 and I'm
only carrying a 2, you know 70

440
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:05,040
balance. It's going to decrease the
reassessment real fast.

441
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:10,320
So can you tell me why your
counterparts, the recorder who has a lot

442
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:17,520
of parcels, the auditor who has a lot of
parcels, how how have they been able to

443
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:21,359
maintain it with with a slimmer okay?
>> When they get their sales, they they do

444
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,760
these they put in a transfer, they have
to put it into their system and the new

445
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:30,480
name and everything. Well, we have to
take that, let's just say Kelly split a

446
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:35,599
property in half. I have to then look at
where does that line go, which parcel

447
00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:39,920
gets which improvement, which parcel
gets, you know, is there excess

448
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:44,720
frontage? Is there not? There's a lot
more that goes into this. We also have

449
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,880
to then look at the land. We have to
validate the sales. Validation of a sale

450
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:53,599
means we have to look it up on the on
the MLS. We have to look make sure, do

451
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:58,400
we have it assessed correctly? MLS's are
one opportunity to see a picture. We can

452
00:37:56,240 --> 00:38:04,240
then dig into it. A validation of a
sample can take 15 minutes per parcel.

453
00:38:02,701 --> 00:38:08,320
[snorts]
You know, I then have my land girl who's

454
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:12,000
also working on this. Every single one
of these parcels having to figure out

455
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:17,119
where does that improvement go. You
know, how is this going to affect them?

456
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,880
They only have to put in. It's no longer
Joe that owns it. Now it's Fred.

457
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,280
» I beg to differ. There's a whole lot
more in my Don't bring

458
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:29,920
» No, I'm just saying that goes into
>> It's not a pissing match. I'm sorry.

459
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:33,280
It's just we got six steps we got to do.
>> Just don't say that. We don't work with

460
00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:37,040
three people back there.
>> Three people doing that technically,

461
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,560
too, because the other one does the
other stuff with deductions. And there's

462
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:42,560
a whole lot more that goes into that
than just changing a name,

463
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,359
» right?
>> So, that's all.

464
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:49,440
» And we've got the deductions, too. You
know, the deductions come from us.

465
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:54,880
» Exemptions.
deductions or audits or exemptions are

466
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:59,920
two different things.
>> There's just a lot more steps that are

467
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:03,520
involved to get it the accuracy of an
assessment

468
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:07,400
versus making sure that the right person
is getting their tax bills.

469
00:39:07,839 --> 00:39:14,160
There is sketches that are required on
Tony's side so that he's got it

470
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:17,560
correctly sketched so we can accurately
measure it.

471
00:39:17,839 --> 00:39:24,800
That's what that what that third page
was with all of the different things we

472
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:28,800
have to do and the amount of work that
we have to do.

473
00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:33,040
We're not just [clears throat]
oh hey you're gonna mail form 11s and

474
00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:37,040
answer a few
you know even the appeals getting the

475
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:40,960
appeals to me we have to data enter all
of those then we have to have to work on

476
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,280
them when you're working on an appeal
I'm having the rent sales ratios and

477
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,440
comparables and we're talking to the
people you know we can work on on any

478
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:54,000
one appeal anywhere from 45 minutes to
an hour and then call well if you get

479
00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:58,079
someone who has no idea what's going on
you're then explaining your whole

480
00:39:56,240 --> 00:40:01,359
process your property tax letter, your
your assessed values, how you get to it.

481
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:06,400
You can be on the phone for another
hour. So, each appeal can take an hour

482
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:11,440
and a half to two hours. And then you
email them here, I just need your

483
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:15,920
signature. And they don't sign it. And
you have to circle back over, circle

484
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,960
back around,
and then invite them to a hearing like

485
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:24,079
they don't attend.
>> Yeah. I mean that is the nature of

486
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,960
working with people today unfortunately
that they don't follow through on what

487
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,880
you ask them to do.
>> We now have deeds that come in as e

488
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:35,040
files. You know not only do we have the
e files but we also have paper that also

489
00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:40,560
goes to count's office. So I mean
there's you remember when I said 4,000 e

490
00:40:37,839 --> 00:40:45,520
files plus another 1700 in paper that
comes across. Now the e file does save

491
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:49,440
us paper. You no longer have to print a
lot of things. So, we are doing a lot

492
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:53,119
more digitally where we're having it up
on the screen and there's not a bunch of

493
00:40:51,040 --> 00:41:01,319
stuff laying all over, you know, our
counters, but

494
00:40:55,520 --> 00:41:01,319
it's just a lot of work to process.

495
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:07,920
Overview 30,000 foot everything I'm
hearing. Don't mean to interrupt if you

496
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:11,680
have more to say, but just as we've
worked with

497
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:18,319
pressures exerted on county government
and growth in certain departments

498
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:23,200
over the years, we've worked with and
liaison with department heads to say

499
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:29,680
between technology investment that we're
doing and [clears throat] just flat out

500
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:35,200
u looking at efficiencies and
restructuring, are there opportunities

501
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:38,800
within And when I'm saying you, but
everybody we've we've said this like RJ

502
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,599
with the sheriff's department
restructured, [clears throat] highway

503
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,720
department restructured. They come in
with requests for more help and they

504
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:52,720
they find a way to restructure who does
what duties to be more efficient. And so

505
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:56,800
I think the ask here was um because of
the investment in the technology and

506
00:41:55,119 --> 00:42:01,040
because the auditor's office was able to
do that and other offices have been able

507
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:05,119
to give back positions. you know, the
more positions we give back, it's a

508
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:10,319
fixed pool, the more we can do take care
of for people. And so, if there's any

509
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:14,319
topheavy or potential to restructure
duties and assign, you know,

510
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:18,319
responsibilities and that kind of thing,
especially when the turnover attrition

511
00:42:16,844 --> 00:42:22,640
[clears throat] would happen, that's
time to let's get together and talk and

512
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:27,040
and you know, you've been doing this for
a very long time. You know, your office,

513
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:30,880
you know what needs to be done in there.
Um

514
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:34,720
but creative thinking has provided us
with some solutions from other

515
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:39,920
departments. So I think the ask was just
is that possible within your department.

516
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:43,839
» It is just very difficult with the
amount of work that everybody is already

517
00:42:42,319 --> 00:42:50,000
doing.
You're also gearing up for

518
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:54,880
um me retiring and another gal retiring
and we're probably going to go boom

519
00:42:51,359 --> 00:42:59,040
boom. you know, I got to get someone
skilled and ready to at least

520
00:42:56,799 --> 00:43:04,240
[clears throat] step in to cover some of
this, you know. Um, so there's going to

521
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:08,319
be changes in the next four years going
on in that office. Now, I know, you

522
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:11,209
know, you talked to me last year about
it. It's just really difficult to say,

523
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,920
"Hey, you want to come in and work
[clears throat] part-time?" when they

524
00:43:12,319 --> 00:43:18,880
don't even understand anything about
county government or how the property

525
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:22,240
tax systems work. Um, you got someone
who wants to work for four hours. Well,

526
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,400
they're going to go home and sleep,
forget what they just learned. It's very

527
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:32,079
difficult. You have to be immersed in
it. You have to be thrown into the fire.

528
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,920
You know, it's just really difficult.
>> So, that's [clears throat]

529
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,560
why I wanted to have the conversation
because there's, you know, there's some

530
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:44,960
unexpended funds in part-time. Um, we're
just looking for everywhere that we can

531
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:48,960
we can help general out without hurting
what we're getting done, you know, and

532
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:53,520
so if we're all working as could get
loud here, sorry, just um we're all

533
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:59,359
working as efficiently in our
departments as we can and and that means

534
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:03,200
not just productivity, but it also means
you as the leader thinking about

535
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,599
thinking about structure all the time
and we all have to do that in our

536
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:10,160
business and a lot of our departments
have done that. Um, so we're just asking

537
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:13,440
for help there if there's any, you know,
way to consider that.

538
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:17,440
» Ruth,
>> and just for clarification,

539
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:23,839
um, you kind of threw out, I'm not
holding you to the $180,000

540
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:29,200
that it might cost us additionally if we
were to outsource more of the

541
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:34,640
the things that the people in your
department do.

542
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:39,680
How many people would that cut out if we
went I'm just saying you know especially

543
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:44,880
if what they I just went by what their
contract is versus my contract the

544
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:50,800
difference in their contract per perc
parcel we replace one person for that

545
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:55,680
I'm just just trying to you know look at
the you know the balancing scale if it

546
00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:01,280
would cost us $180,000 but if it would
cut four people out of her budget then

547
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:06,079
» Oh yeah we're talking
Yeah.

548
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Yeah.
Yeah. So, there's no golden answer.

549
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:17,800
Well, we have time for final adoption.
And as I continue to talk to you,

550
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:26,720
the timing just sometimes these meetings
didn't work out for like you were here

551
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:31,920
last week and was here last week. So, we
have time for more conversations.

552
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:37,839
I guess I would be kind of curious to
know, you know, if with the thought of

553
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:42,800
you maybe two people retiring from your
office, what would the exact dollar

554
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:47,440
figure be to outsource more, you know,
like all our GIS, we outsourced that and

555
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:54,359
and that became a better value to us as
a county? I don't know. But yeah, I'd

556
00:45:50,319 --> 00:45:54,359
love to see the figures

557
00:45:55,280 --> 00:46:00,960
and I know it's going to take some time
and I'm not asking for an immediate

558
00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:05,520
answer. You want me to have my contract
remended?

559
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:10,000
» We just wor by who you already have
doing part of it

560
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:17,920
» for them to do more of what would that
dollar figure be and how many people

561
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:22,560
would that cut out of your budget.
>> That makes sense.

562
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:26,240
» When do you plan to retire? Not to put
you on the spot. Do you have

563
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:31,880
» for another four years?
So, and if I retire, it's going to be at

564
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,880
least three.

565
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,937
» Got to get that golden number 60.
[laughter]

566
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:48,400
» I've already got I've already got my
replacement trained. She's ready. I just

567
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:52,079
got to get my knowledge dumped into her.
I got to find someone to take her

568
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,640
knowledge, which is Jessica. She does
the most work with the lamp. She's got a

569
00:46:55,280 --> 00:47:02,400
lot of knowledge that I need to find
someone skilled and capable to do it and

570
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:05,400
it's not something the contract can do.
>> Okay.

571
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:12,240
» Thank you. Does anybody have any
questions?

572
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:16,237
» Okay.
>> Thank you very much. [clears throat]

573
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:25,000
Uh the next touch point on

574
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,160
sheriff's department. I think we voted
on

575
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:43,160
jail position the one
dispatch position. So the jail in the

576
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,160
courthouse

577
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:50,839
and then the sheriff pay was voted on.

578
00:47:51,599 --> 00:48:01,119
So I'm assuming that's the
number and then if we do something with

579
00:47:56,319 --> 00:48:04,079
wages it's outside it's not touched by
a separate discussion.

580
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:08,400
» We never we decided to make that a
separate discussion. It's my

581
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:14,480
understanding that someone get that base
point that we put it to would or would

582
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:18,079
not be touched by the overall race.
>> Yeah. So, we're just trying to blow the

583
00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:21,400
cobwebs off from here. Yeah.
>> And we accomplished.

584
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:31,319
» Oh, and then commissioner's assistant
position

585
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:31,319
um split and auditors,

586
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:39,200
part-time HR assistant, and HR still
commissioners. I think those were the

587
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:43,760
highlights. I think that's all sorted
out. Is that right?

588
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:47,680
» I felt like we went back status quo how
it was. The only thing I remember

589
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:54,160
changing under the commissioners is that
we pulled out of plan that field that

590
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:58,920
code enforcement
and put it in the commissioner.

591
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,920
» Y

592
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:12,400
okay. And then um there's talk about
airport cash burn.

593
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:17,119
I reached out and Dennis and Karen are
trying to set up a time we can meet and

594
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:21,200
we can talk about everything just
because I'm not

595
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:26,000
» as versed as you are on what
>> um like could it be because we've had so

596
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:29,680
many county matches. I don't even know
if that even comes into play with what

597
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,480
the cash burn is or where that comes out
of.

598
00:49:30,319 --> 00:49:34,000
» Yeah.
>> Um but we've had a lot of that going on

599
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:39,760
this year with all the projects that
we've had. But I looked at the balances

600
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:45,440
on the fund thing and it kind of goes up
and down. So I don't know when the TSA

601
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:50,400
hanger people pay their lease and when
that comes in and I got to get more into

602
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:53,359
it. I'm gonna I'm gonna dig into it and
get some answers.

603
00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:56,000
» We just want to make sure they have a
substantive plan going forward. And I

604
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,800
think
>> seems like every year with their budget

605
00:49:57,359 --> 00:50:04,000
they say they give money back to the
county. So, I'm not sure how that is

606
00:50:01,599 --> 00:50:08,000
different than like a cash balance that
they're holding. Like, they're not going

607
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:12,559
over budget
and they're actually giving money back

608
00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:16,960
from what their budget is. So, I I got
to understand

609
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:20,720
fuel cells. She said goes into general,
>> right?

610
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,680
» I don't know. I gota find I got to do
some digging. So, I

611
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:29,520
» remember when we did that first initial
big fuel purchase, remember that we

612
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:34,559
gifted the money? Yeah.
Um, I think it'd be a good idea

613
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:38,960
because, you know, we're so deep into
what our actual budget situation is

614
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:43,119
right now, we're comfortable with where
they're at for this year. We're talking

615
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,720
about sustainability that we just give
them on an agenda when we all have time

616
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:50,160
to look at it first, their regular
monthly meeting. Does that sound okay?

617
00:50:49,060 --> 00:50:54,200
[clears throat]
Open communication with him.

618
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:04,760
I would love that.
So, yeah, you got a note there.

619
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:16,319
All right. Uh, any other touch points
before we just talk again about our

620
00:51:13,839 --> 00:51:21,839
wages? We'll get what parents got here
for us.

621
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:27,440
Wages and longevity discussion. So is
there anything else that

622
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:32,480
you want to think over bigger items that
we just we like to even though we've

623
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:37,599
voted on those things like to make sure
you don't if they're major change

624
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:41,280
whether given up health insurance those
kinds of things I like to talk about

625
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:45,520
them every single time we're together
until

626
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:51,920
» I do want to tell you that Aaron got me
an answer from Don that we did have the

627
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:56,400
right to take away the stipens and the
the state employee places as long as

628
00:51:54,319 --> 00:52:03,359
they haven't been sworn in yet. So
everything that we did there with the

629
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:08,319
judge and the prosecutor and all of that
is co is on the up and up and we're not

630
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,559
exposing ourselves to anything. Thank
you Erin.

631
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,520
» Did we read magistrate because
technically sworn in so

632
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,960
» I had you pulled magistrate
>> but he's Yeah, we pulled magistrate but

633
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:22,559
he's not an elected position.
>> Correct. But he is appointed and he has

634
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:27,280
been sworn in. And I just received
another email from Don when I was gone.

635
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:31,599
I said so they cannot remove the judge
Jers or magistrate Burns and he goes

636
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,400
that is correct. Oh, so we need to put
that. I ap that wasn't in the limit.

637
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:39,680
» Yeah. I wanted
this.

638
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,680
» Okay. So that has to be readded in
general.

639
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:52,280
Magistrate is what's their location
number?

640
00:52:47,839 --> 00:52:52,280
» Thank you. Last one. Yeah.

641
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:06,200
Like one of the last ones.

642
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:15,119
So in
that

643
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:19,359
» Yeah. One 091
that 5,000 has to come back.

644
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:57,440
I'm good.
Way to I know that um that probably will

645
00:53:54,880 --> 00:54:02,559
come in front of us
>> when

646
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:07,359
that position when he retires and it
changes.

647
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:13,920
How will that timing work for us when
that new appointment happens?

648
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:17,359
» That's a good question. So, his
actually, and Tracy, correct me if I'm

649
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:21,200
wrong, his is not paid through the
state. His is paid through payroll every

650
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:25,760
year. So, his is a little bit different.
So, I would assume that it could be

651
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:30,880
discussed at that point in time.
>> So, as soon as we know that Magistrate

652
00:54:28,319 --> 00:54:35,520
Burns is retiring, we need to put it on
our agenda.

653
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Because since he's not an elected
official, we could have that

654
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:46,559
conversation midstream.
>> Avoid a new appointee happen before

655
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:51,960
somebody else is appointed and sworn in.
>> Thank you. I was just curious how that

656
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,960
was going to work.

657
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,400
Okay.

658
00:54:59,273 --> 00:55:01,293
[clears throat]

659
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:13,119
Uh, I think we left it at
a mockup proposal on a longevity

660
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:16,359
structure and a wage increase. Darren,
do you have

661
00:55:17,119 --> 00:55:25,359
» Yeah. So, I essentially gave that to you
um last week. a little bit

662
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:31,319
discombobulated today,
but um we put in a maximum of $150,000

663
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:38,640
um of course this is kind of like a
moving target sort of thing um based on

664
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:46,960
turnover and everything. So you wanted
to do $100 per year starting after year

665
00:55:42,319 --> 00:55:52,640
three. So that is how I calculated it.
Um I'm also using on my spreadsheets um

666
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:57,839
123126
as the calculation date. And so

667
00:55:54,799 --> 00:56:03,440
essentially in 2027
it'd be paid it'd be paid kind of in a

668
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:07,119
rear sort of thing. So that way we're
not working off the anniversary dates

669
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:10,960
and making it complicated. And then if
you're wanting to pay it out at the end

670
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:16,400
of the year, like the first pay in
December, as long as the person is still

671
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:19,359
employed within that pay period that
gets paid out, that first pay in

672
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:25,200
December, they would get their
longevity. It would not be prorated,

673
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:28,880
anything like that. So,
yeah, I was talking to a couple

674
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:32,799
different HR directors on how they
structure their longevity programs, and

675
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:39,119
there's a lot of different ways to do
it, but um this seems to be the easiest.

676
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:46,079
Talk to Tracy as well because we can't
do separate payrolls. So, it would just

677
00:56:42,079 --> 00:56:49,599
be a bonus added to the first pay,
whatever you guys,

678
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:53,319
» right? It can't be its own check. It
would be rolled into

679
00:56:53,440 --> 00:57:03,724
Correct.
>> And you would have that cap

680
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:07,119
the cap. It's a $2,000 cap. Yeah.
[clears throat] So, with everything that

681
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:10,920
I have calculated right now, it comes
out to 137,400.

682
00:57:15,599 --> 00:57:22,000
» Every single year after three, four
years completion,

683
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:25,000
» $100 per year.
Yes,

684
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:34,720
» we looking to do this as well and give
me

685
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,559
cost living increase as well.
>> That's what we're talking about.

686
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,599
» Okay.
>> Um

687
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:46,400
there might be different priorities
amongst us. Um

688
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:51,119
my my priority
would be to institute this and then talk

689
00:57:49,359 --> 00:57:57,359
about what we can afford cost of living
because cost of living is it doesn't

690
00:57:53,760 --> 00:58:02,240
happen every year in the free market
world you just automatically get for

691
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,319
cost of living. It is a little bit of a
geopolitical football what numbers

692
00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:10,799
you're looking at because you know we go
to war with Iran gas prices for them

693
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:16,160
that can go away just different things
happen. So typically

694
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:22,640
they'll look back at other other
governmental data will look back and how

695
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:26,799
many quarters didn't look back on
establish the trend in inflation instead

696
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:31,599
of just a cost of you know cost of
living right now today is this much more

697
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:37,280
same time last year or whatever and I
think trending is a much more stable way

698
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:41,040
to look at it. Um co is co was an
obvious example kind of a spike that you

699
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:46,720
could have you know that would skew
things. Um so [clears throat] more like

700
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:51,280
the sustained inflation rate kind of a
conversation.

701
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:56,480
I don't want to get into the trap we got
into the last time where we then baked

702
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:01,440
longevity into pay to that was our way
of giving raises that year and really

703
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:07,839
skewed things exponentially distorted by
percentage over the future years. So,

704
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:12,640
um, you know, for discussion is is it
$100? Is it is it the $2,000 cap? You

705
00:59:11,359 --> 00:59:19,440
know, all of those points that we
touched on the other day. Um, you know,

706
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:22,960
$2,000 caps. Someone's been there.
You have a few if you go down through

707
00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:24,960
that list that have been there more than
20 years. Quite a bit.

708
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,040
» I was looking.
>> Yeah. You know, do you not keep

709
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:32,400
increasing that for them? How many how
many of them is it really? Like what

710
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:40,640
would it cost you to do that? You got
some 37 34 38 37 bless with a lot of

711
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:44,400
longtime timers but it's overall how
many numbers is that

712
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,040
» then per is also growing all those years
too.

713
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:51,599
» Right. Right. So those are the
discussion points.

714
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:55,599
Um I like I like what we've got here for
a base but if anybody wants to remember

715
00:59:53,359 --> 01:00:01,760
any tweaks to those now it's time to do
it.

716
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:07,280
I know you just kind of overviewed that,
but I was just thinking about so what if

717
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:12,079
and it's things aren't going to stay the
same, employees aren't going to stay the

718
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:17,359
same, but hypothetically if the same
people were working next year, how much

719
01:00:14,559 --> 01:00:21,720
more would it be? You know, because
every year it's going to get bigger and

720
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,720
bigger.

721
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:26,720
» I guess what I was thinking
>> and you got to add benefits. figure out

722
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:31,760
taxes and benefit costs,
>> right? So, I I didn't know if there was

723
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:36,079
a way to project
>> 271

724
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:41,599
employees and if they all stayed and
they were at that three year

725
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:44,720
» getting a year, I mean, yeah, not all of
them are there yet obviously and you're

726
01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:48,160
going to have that turnover. So, it's
going to be,

727
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:53,760
» you know, rough estimates.
>> Okay.

728
01:00:50,799 --> 01:00:58,680
It could increase with tax and benefits
30,000 a year. You got to have some

729
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:58,680
turnover. So,

730
01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:06,720
» it's a good question.
>> I think I'd like council to specify

731
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,920
whether or not you want elected
officials rolled into that. There's some

732
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:16,720
counties that do, some counties that
don't. Um I think on the county general

733
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:22,160
um budget projection spreadsheet that
annexported we did calculate in the

734
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:26,119
150,000 and put on top of that. So
that's all rolled into that

735
01:01:26,799 --> 01:01:31,760
we did that on Friday.
>> Right now your I'm sorry

736
01:01:31,359 --> 01:01:34,720
» no
>> your sheet doesn't have elected

737
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,559
officials.
>> It does. Yeah it's the hot pink ones.

738
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:42,559
» Yeah.
Oh, that's why I'm not seeing the

739
01:01:40,792 --> 01:01:44,480
[laughter]
>> You can barely see the ink inside of

740
01:01:43,839 --> 01:01:49,440
that color.
>> So, right now, they are factored into

741
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:53,559
that cuz I wasn't going to rip them
without somebody telling me to.

742
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,880
It's kind of weird

743
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:08,160
position that's up there, right?
>> Yeah.

744
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,319
» I don't think I should be
>> the council should be exempt from

745
01:02:10,267 --> 01:02:14,079
[clears throat]
>> pull the elected officials out of this.

746
01:02:11,839 --> 01:02:19,200
» Well, pull all elected officials.
>> I think so.

747
01:02:15,520 --> 01:02:24,680
» Would you allow their years to just not
count at all if they go back? Like if

748
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,680
you had

749
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:31,119
» Yeah, like R.J. Thank you.
>> Well, whatever else we did,

750
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:35,440
» you not get those if you use an elected
official.

751
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:39,680
» You would have to word your policy the
way you want it to work. So, I have a

752
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:45,359
draft policy here that is used in
another county where if a current

753
01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:49,280
employee is elected, then that person
would get their longevity pay and then

754
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:53,839
they would not get any more when they're
an elected official. However, if they

755
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:57,680
drop back down to regular employee, then
those years as an elected official would

756
01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:00,079
count. So then their longevity would
start again.

757
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:03,599
» They just wouldn't get paid during that
time that their years of service would

758
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:07,839
count to towards the overall if they
came back and stayed inside.

759
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:11,280
» And it's all about how we were that
policy.

760
01:03:08,799 --> 01:03:16,000
» I think that sounds I like that.
>> I do too.

761
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,880
» Again, we're not like we're just talking
about this. So it's not like we're not

762
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:23,680
saying the defense aren't getting
anything. It's just applies to this.

763
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:27,200
» We're just talking about longevity at
the moment.

764
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:31,599
» Well, I like it all started. I'd say
take council out of it. Anybody like

765
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:36,799
like that or dislike that?
>> Do you need a motion?

766
01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:40,160
» Not if we all kind of agree, right?
>> Anybody feel differently about that?

767
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:44,839
» I don't feel differently about that. I
>> I think council should be taken out.

768
01:03:47,209 --> 01:03:50,599
» [clears throat]
>> I

769
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,559
elected officials. We are elected.

770
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:02,480
» We should come.
>> Well, if we take question Yeah. We're

771
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:07,200
not just taking council out, but as of
right now, the other elected officials

772
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:12,160
are
>> I I like the policy as presented that

773
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:18,599
you don't get it while you're an elected
official, but yours is service count.

774
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:18,599
» I agree with that.

775
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:25,240
» Where [clears throat] was that from,
Eric? help

776
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:43,000
their seniority would stay when they
came back as a county.

777
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:43,000
» Yeah. After so

778
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:50,079
a perfect example
as an elected he's not going to lose his

779
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:54,960
years. It just would have been if this
was established while he was a sheriff,

780
01:04:52,000 --> 01:05:03,280
you would not have gotten it while he
was at the elected official rate.

781
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:05,920
» But then when I see like if you started
and you worked for 10 years and then

782
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:09,359
became elected official, are you getting
it while you're elected official?

783
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:14,400
» No.
>> Okay. They would not get it. It was you

784
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:18,160
would just get paid out on that before
they take office and then they would be

785
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:21,920
the elected official. So they would no
longer get the longevity. But if they

786
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:24,240
went back down to a normal employee, you
know, as a chief deputy or something

787
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:28,135
like that after
>> RJ

788
01:05:26,115 --> 01:05:28,135
[laughter]

789
01:05:32,010 --> 01:05:34,030
[laughter]

790
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,920
just get paid and then Yeah, that makes
sense, right?

791
01:05:43,145 --> 01:05:48,640
» [clears throat]
>> on this one.

792
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:50,799
It is tough.
>> It's a great problem to have elected

793
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,640
officials.
>> Well, that were employees before they

794
01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:59,920
were elected officials. That's what's
tripping me right now.

795
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:05,440
Be different if they didn't work for the
county and then all of a sudden they're

796
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:09,599
elected. But they worked for the county
10 years and then were

797
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:13,680
I don't know.
But they got maybe some of them got a

798
01:06:11,839 --> 01:06:17,205
longevity pay during that time when we
still had longevity pay.

799
01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:20,599
» Yeah, true.
[laughter] I'm sorry.

800
01:06:35,359 --> 01:06:41,799
» Jump over to percentage increase and
then we can kind of marry the totals

801
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:41,799
together.

802
01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:56,880
I think if we're going with longevity
pay, I'm comfortable with two or two and

803
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:59,880
a half% increase in pay for cost of
living.

804
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:07,160
I I like that idea.

805
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:20,160
It was more than enough then I
[laughter]

806
01:07:17,839 --> 01:07:27,760
3% but
>> and I'm I'm toying in my mind.

807
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:31,160
» It better be two and a half and I guess
I like that.

808
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:42,240
like for I'd like for the sake of future
thinking longer term on that end like so

809
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:46,799
2% that was a $900,000
bump. This is just like compound

810
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:50,720
interest, right? If the structure stays
this way and we do a percentage increase

811
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:54,799
every year ago that 900,000 is going to
become 1.2 million next year, it's going

812
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:59,839
to become 1.7 million the next year.
It's not sustainable

813
01:07:57,039 --> 01:08:03,200
um on that end of things, I don't think.
And maybe not while we're in council,

814
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:05,359
but in seven, eight years, that number
is chewing.

815
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:08,880
» Depends on our growth that we get those
years though, too.

816
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:15,200
» There's some of that um [snorts]
>> or if it went to more of a

817
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:18,880
a pot that was given out where it wasn't
necessarily us deciding it like, hey,

818
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:23,679
there's whatever we they said it's
$900,000. We're like, there's a $900,000

819
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:28,159
pot. I don't know you throw this and use
some back department heads so they can

820
01:08:25,279 --> 01:08:30,400
decide for their departments
kind of a thing where it's not

821
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:35,440
necessarily a guaranteed thing. You got
to work for a little bit.

822
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:41,359
» We went down that road with Tony.
>> Did you? I've heard I've heard

823
01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:46,480
» we went down that road.
>> Aaron there was some discrepancy about

824
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:50,560
the others outside of general. We know
the hard number. So, um I don't know if

825
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:55,839
you've heard about the difficulties we
had for Ann and I could not get into Lao

826
01:08:53,679 --> 01:09:00,319
um yesterday and then I had a viewing
this morning I had to go to. So, I have

827
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:06,799
not finished all of the special funds.
Um I was working on them so I don't have

828
01:09:03,679 --> 01:09:10,400
a hard number to to give you today with
all that. Um, I was working on my

829
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:13,279
spreadsheet a little bit, but we thought
that it was probably a better method to

830
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:19,600
go ahead and do it through budget
projection, export it to Excel, and then

831
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:26,000
have those exact numbers for you. And
that's kind of where we're at right now.

832
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:29,520
» The way we left it [clears throat]
>> because I got general done and that

833
01:09:27,839 --> 01:09:33,440
looks like, and Ann, correct me if I'm
wrong, was about $470,000

834
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:40,000
increase.
And then I got seedant done in um I

835
01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:45,839
think it was 12:22
um 12:36 1235 and some of the health

836
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:48,839
department funds done before I left this
morning.

837
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:57,280
» We're still working on that. So the
spreadsheet you had generated of course

838
01:09:53,759 --> 01:10:04,080
last week had the increase in general to
get a 2% at 21,694

839
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:07,280
and you just said 470
>> that and that was with all of your

840
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:12,080
changes that you moved everything
around. So that had all the changes that

841
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:16,640
Ann made in budget projection.
>> Yeah. Doesn't it include longevity too?

842
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:20,400
» And it includes longevity
>> or sorry. Okay.

843
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:21,440
» Yes. So aside from that,
>> yeah,

844
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:26,080
» longevity,
>> it includes longevity, the FICA on

845
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:30,239
longevity as well. Perfect. It includes
everything. So that is like your general

846
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:35,360
number.
>> So what is that general number with all

847
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:41,199
of our changes just in general instead
of being the 21.2

848
01:10:38,719 --> 01:10:47,760
that was initially in here we started
with? What does it make it now? What is

849
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:53,840
that number now? The new the new total
requested budget for 2027

850
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:59,920
just general
>> 19 million7

851
01:10:56,239 --> 01:11:05,520
450 263 I said 41
752 so 19750

852
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:08,520
263
>> 263

853
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:16,000
and that was we never talked about
actually the potential of them

854
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:24,640
the
financial services and the excise from

855
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:29,760
from our
sorry my brain is not working from our

856
01:11:26,239 --> 01:11:36,239
levy to general right we didn't we moved
that would have increased it that

857
01:11:32,239 --> 01:11:40,000
154,000 and whatever that we discussed
>> yeah we never we didn't talk about that

858
01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:43,000
right I just want to make sure I'm right
Yeah.

859
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:50,199
» So, we come back to this.

860
01:11:51,360 --> 01:12:00,600
We decided that we were going to use
Peter's number

861
01:11:56,499 --> 01:12:00,600
[clears throat] of the 20 million.

862
01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:12,000
[clears throat]
So, so you're saying with the longevity

863
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:19,800
and with the 2 and 12%
you came up with the 19.7. So we got

864
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:19,800
with our cuts and 2%

865
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,080
» I thought that was the direction that
was given

866
01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:37,360
» actually after the general the first
time

867
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:41,800
[laughter]
I have

868
01:12:45,625 --> 01:12:52,440
» [laughter]
>> That has that has never happened.

869
01:12:54,640 --> 01:13:02,440
» Holy smokes.
Maybe it was worth making myself sick.

870
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:10,570
I came up with
some kind of dizzy pod today. [laughter]

871
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:19,440
So with the raises and with the logic,
we're still under29.

872
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:25,280
That's the difference between Peter
Franklin and the number Ian just gave

873
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:29,480
us. I came up with $924,329.
That's exactly what I came up with.

874
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,320
» 3%.

875
01:13:38,026 --> 01:13:43,520
» [clears throat]
>> Now it increased by like 275,000

876
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:47,760
or whatever.
>> I'm going to go [clears throat] back to

877
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:50,760
retract my statement when I said
officials.

878
01:13:51,760 --> 01:14:00,239
» You're sorry. That's right. because
there's room.

879
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:05,800
» I retract my thought on I said I was
kind of twisted on whether we elected

880
01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:05,800
officials or not

881
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:14,480
one of those little bit weird things but
there's different scenarios within each

882
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:20,400
of those that we just brought up that
are making me think

883
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:23,360
we should leave it alone. So we elected
in other than council. That's what your

884
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,960
thought.
>> That's what I'm thinking. Well, we can

885
01:14:25,120 --> 01:14:31,199
council hasn't taken a raise 28 years
and we voted not to take a raise. We did

886
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:35,239
leave council too, but
>> that's only going to touch a few

887
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:46,159
totally throwing the curveball. Do you
let cune burn as much as we were to let

888
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:52,400
it burn since there's room?
We were we left how many plays burning

889
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:57,679
because we thought we had to,
>> right?

890
01:14:53,920 --> 01:15:02,280
The last few years it was.
So yeah, that's

891
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:13,679
» I didn't I didn't think we would get
that that number. I didn't think

892
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:19,440
» we had things we could move back from
to last

893
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:24,000
» way over budget
and we're going to just let it burn. we

894
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,920
were going we made the decision to burn
and

895
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:29,920
» because we think we
>> and several different accounts because

896
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:34,080
we thought the general was general was
burning and now

897
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:43,560
» I don't want to go through all that
again but my initial thought was

898
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:43,560
my first thought of how much we would

899
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:53,280
» well you can see how this all plays out
>> that's true

900
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,280
» I've got 350 355,000 of revenue

901
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,679
Thank you.
>> Thank you. Yeah. Know what was that?

902
01:16:04,747 --> 01:16:10,480
[clears throat]
>> There's there's a lot of levers there.

903
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:17,239
We talk about tax rate. We talk about we
talk about next year position a lot of

904
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,239
stuff. you know,

905
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:28,520
in Newton health. I don't think it still
would get us where Chip wanted to be

906
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:34,239
for that other discussion.
>> Oh, you were talking about

907
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:36,320
» bridge bridge and braids and all that.
So,

908
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:40,960
I
>> mean, it's

909
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:43,760
jeez
that can all be a conversation for next

910
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:48,199
year. That's okay.
>> We can budget one more time right now.

911
01:16:48,633 --> 01:16:50,653
» [laughter]

912
01:16:51,908 --> 01:16:53,928
[clears throat]

913
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:03,320
» You think that

914
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:08,920
» you think that we can't write the ship
by next year?

915
01:17:10,903 --> 01:17:17,040
[clears throat]
>> Doing just

916
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:19,360
back.
We don't know. We don't know nothing.

917
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:23,199
» We don't know.
>> That's a problem.

918
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:28,400
» They're gonna show up in January and
maybe flip the whole thing on its head.

919
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:31,760
» Okay with that. And we want to do that
because this is the first year that

920
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:37,103
we're going to have general without that
art money back in.

921
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:42,080
So, so we're missing that
[clears throat] million, right? which is

922
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:46,480
about where we're at where if it rears
its ugly head, we've left ourselves

923
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:50,600
enough room, right, that we don't end up
in a bad place,

924
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,600
» right?

925
01:17:51,360 --> 01:18:00,800
» A couple places not in trouble, right?
Set them up there.

926
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:04,120
» I think we decided to
state 9116

927
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:17,480
bridge.
>> We're burning some

928
01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:17,480
1224.

929
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,800
» We're going to burn all of 1161.
>> Yeah.

930
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:31,280
» So maybe it's better to leave it where
it is and and see what this looks like

931
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:35,280
» because in 2028 we're going to be in the
same because general is going to be

932
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:39,600
looking down the barrel of absorbing
some of those things.

933
01:18:38,480 --> 01:18:44,120
coming into there.
>> Well, they can't go they can't go

934
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:44,120
anywhere else.

935
01:18:45,224 --> 01:18:49,040
[clears throat]
>> They probably haven't had time, but

936
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:55,040
another big piece of this is that law
library piece.

937
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:59,520
» Yeah, because it's still in both. And
we're trying to decide if we could

938
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:03,040
allocate. But did we both didn't have
anybody, right?

939
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:06,480
He he was not in
>> we talked about 20% of the positions or

940
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:10,159
something like that.
>> Yeah.

941
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:14,880
» Yeah. There's nobody utilizing it.
>> The public defender office gets their

942
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:18,400
legal research and AI tool for $90 per
month and that includes two users and

943
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:22,960
that's through the Indiana public
defender commission. Um, from what I

944
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,320
understand, and I don't know how the
contract is for the law library here,

945
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:32,080
but what I understand is on the private
side of things, and Christina, you

946
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:38,560
probably know this, it's closer to $450
a month for one user if a private

947
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:44,480
attorney gets it. So, I took 135,000
divided by 450ID by 12 equals 25 users.

948
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:50,000
Now, is that how our contract is
figured? I have no idea.

949
01:19:47,440 --> 01:19:54,320
So, you know, that's where I think some
research needs to be done on how the

950
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:59,440
contract is structured with the courts
and if it is by users or if it's by a

951
01:19:56,719 --> 01:20:06,360
different method. But currently, the PD
office has their own and that is being

952
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:06,360
applied to their reimbursement.

953
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:16,159
» All right. And [clears throat] and when
we talk about 135,

954
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:22,400
» it's they didn't you're telling us that
that could go from 300,000. You're

955
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:27,760
talking about in 1138
in 4,000

956
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:32,159
40015.
That's where you're saying that 350

957
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:38,080
reduced by 135.
>> I'm not saying we want to reduce it by

958
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:46,520
135. I'm saying that it's always been
out of there. We also did

959
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:46,520
some additional appropriations for

960
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:49,719
um

961
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:57,360
when you say built in both places,
that's the line item that's a single

962
01:20:55,120 --> 01:21:00,239
line item under the commissioners in
general and

963
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:05,120
» that [clears throat] is what it is here
in act and but it's built into that

964
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:08,320
correct machine and equipment. I think
it needs its own line item no matter

965
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:12,159
what
to be able to keep track of that. But

966
01:21:10,719 --> 01:21:18,400
one I don't think that there's any
reason to take it out of general right

967
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:21,400
now because we did a lot of work
and

968
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:28,400
then we spend this next year
understanding what that you know these

969
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:32,360
users and what it is and [clears throat]
what could be and

970
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:48,800
We're in a good spot.
I I like that this is a little positive

971
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:52,159
because we have no we've never we
haven't done the last few years without

972
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:58,080
that [clears throat]
crutch inside of general and with that

973
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:01,080
crutch being gone and with that kind of
number

974
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:10,239
if that crutch mattered
we're going to be fine

975
01:22:06,880 --> 01:22:17,199
because we did so much work
we've got a we've got room to learn,

976
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:23,320
» right? Medical expenses are going to be
so many burials. There's so many there.

977
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:35,199
They're
smiling.

978
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:39,080
» I have I just have never seen it look
like that since I've been elected.

979
01:22:43,440 --> 01:22:46,840
» Ready for motion

980
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,760
» for a motion on

981
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:03,639
second or what? You're

982
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:15,440
» Did we decide what's going to happen on
longevity and elected officials?

983
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:18,719
» Is that decided yet?
>> Council out.

984
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:21,920
» Yeah. Okay. We decided council out.
>> Vote on that one.

985
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:28,242
» No, I don't want you. I think we all
agreed on council out.

986
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,242
But even [clears throat]

987
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:36,960
your commissioners and your council if
you're going to give I mean this is not

988
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:47,760
me I'm not in that number but I think
the amount of wisdom that is brought to

989
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:52,560
officials being here and and the
what you guys bring is very very

990
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:58,719
valuable heck of a lot more valuable
than I was my first few years where I

991
01:23:55,920 --> 01:24:04,560
wanted to talk about every $50. Do you
know what I mean? You guys understood

992
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:10,560
the nature of how why things happen or
this or that. It's my opinion that

993
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:13,040
you weren't dead.
I

994
01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:16,639
» I say if we're going to leave elected
officials, they got to just do it right

995
01:24:14,719 --> 01:24:20,480
straight across the board. That's my
opinion. It's not that big a deal for

996
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:24,159
the council. I mean,
>> we want to donate the money to whatever

997
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:29,520
we can. That's what we do.
>> I mean, seriously,

998
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:32,639
» I mean, in this council, I mean,
>> I think it ought to be equal.

999
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:35,440
» Yeah.
>> I think I think we should go all the way

1000
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,520
across
>> is my opinion. Do you want us to vote on

1001
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:43,920
it?
>> I think we should

1002
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:48,719
I think it would be cleaner if we voted
on that. What's going to do?

1003
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:54,960
» Then I would make a motion
to put in longevity the way Aaron

1004
01:24:52,880 --> 01:25:00,880
presented
and leave elected officials in.

1005
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:05,600
Oh, but how does that
that is my motion? [laughter] That is my

1006
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:09,360
motion. I always want to talk more. I'm
sorry.

1007
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:14,239
Can I make a suggestion? I know you need
a second, but can you tell which one you

1008
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:19,679
want the 100? because you had three
different ones to choose from. Oh, can

1009
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:22,239
you put it in? I support my motion for
your motion.

1010
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:27,760
» Yeah.
>> I

1011
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:35,120
make a motion to institute longevity pay
at $100 a year after three years to be

1012
01:25:31,679 --> 01:25:40,320
paid with the first pay in December. Um,
with no pration if you're pration I'm

1013
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:50,920
not sorry I'm saying that word right. If
you leave with a cap of 200 2,000

1014
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:50,920
with elect with elected officials in

1015
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:58,960
the way Aaron presented based on Decal
County. Is that the appropriate way to

1016
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:02,719
do it?
>> Yeah.

1017
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:05,719
» Okay. I have to get my second first.
Yeah.

1018
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:10,840
» Oh, sorry.

1019
01:26:12,239 --> 01:26:18,880
» Christina, Bill
discussion.

1020
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:23,360
» Council wouldn't get it because they're
elected officials and you don't get it

1021
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:28,080
right. The way I did it for not giving
it to elected officials while they're in

1022
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:31,600
office, council would earn the years,
but they would never be paid unless they

1023
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:36,800
went to a different job. But you just
said leave elected officials.

1024
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:40,639
» So you kind of mixed them mixed the two
of them there. So

1025
01:26:38,960 --> 01:26:44,960
» So it needs to be clarified.
>> If you want to leave all elected

1026
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:49,600
officials in. Okay. But then we will not
have that

1027
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:53,520
that specification in the policy where
if somebody if an employee becomes an

1028
01:26:51,600 --> 01:26:56,239
elected official
then they won't get any more when

1029
01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:00,880
they're elected official but the years
of service. So that is that goes away.

1030
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:04,995
» Yeah.
We're we're we're in discussion, right?

1031
01:27:03,360 --> 01:27:06,800
» Yes.
[clears throat]

1032
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:08,880
» We can still have discussion. I could
amend my motion.

1033
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:12,480
» Yep. Certainly can.
>> Correct.

1034
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:17,360
» I think you take out errands. You got to
not base it off of

1035
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:22,639
» Yeah. I mean, I there was a couple
different things that I had said that

1036
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:27,040
how to figure it and things like that.
Um, but then on the little policy, which

1037
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:33,000
the policy is going to have to come to
you guys anyway because it goes to the

1038
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,000
commissioners and the first counced,

1039
01:27:34,480 --> 01:27:40,320
but um, we just would leave that section
out about elected officials and we just

1040
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:44,440
say that elected officials are included
if that's what you're wanting to do.

1041
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:53,040
» So, I guess it comes down to what do you
guys like better? Do you like that

1042
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:56,000
elected officials get it or they don't
get it? We, you know, when you talked

1043
01:27:54,480 --> 01:28:00,159
about council and
>> I thought you guys, but if we're not,

1044
01:27:58,159 --> 01:28:05,520
originally we talked about not getting
it if if you'd become an elected

1045
01:28:02,560 --> 01:28:11,840
official. So,
what do you think? Do you think I redo

1046
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:16,390
my I think I'm going to amend my motion.
>> She had said elected officials. If

1047
01:28:14,480 --> 01:28:20,239
you're giving it to people, okay,
[clears throat] based out of their long

1048
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:25,760
your years is somewhat kin 12 year
elected official

1049
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:32,880
and as my other elected official long
for their long wait official come back

1050
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:36,880
and work for the county. So you take the
last time for their career you could

1051
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:40,080
take it away from them.
>> I I think it should be elected official.

1052
01:28:38,480 --> 01:28:44,000
I mean, because we have some offices
where the elected official is in term

1053
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:48,239
limited. Yeah.
>> And then they

1054
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:50,320
train it out with their first deputy.
>> Yeah.

1055
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:53,679
» And so only when their first deputy
would they get it, not when they're the

1056
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:58,239
elected official.
>> And that's

1057
01:28:55,280 --> 01:29:00,960
» so I I think that you could get wages
out of skew within departments

1058
01:29:00,931 --> 01:29:05,840
[clears throat]
>> if you take the elected official out.

1059
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:11,440
And I also think the motion needs to
discuss

1060
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:14,400
that the lunch pay is outside of what's
considered towards first deputies

1061
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:17,639
percentage pay.
>> Oh, true.

1062
01:29:18,616 --> 01:29:21,280
[laughter]
>> Stand alone. You know what I mean? Like

1063
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,600
that.
>> Yeah. I didn't think about that.

1064
01:29:24,159 --> 01:29:29,280
» That's how we got That's why we got rid
of longity pay a few years ago because

1065
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:32,960
it got so complicated skewed things so
bad. We have to be really careful about

1066
01:29:31,360 --> 01:29:37,612
not listening to details.
>> Yeah. because I I don't want it to

1067
01:29:35,120 --> 01:29:41,920
affect base pay. Yeah. At all.
[clears throat]

1068
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:45,280
» Yeah. We're looking at this as a public
thing.

1069
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:47,280
» There's no way to make it stand alone.
It has to go into a payroll.

1070
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,480
» No,
>> that's fine. As long as that

1071
01:29:48,719 --> 01:29:53,520
» No, but I mean I think it's fine as long
as as long as it doesn't become I didn't

1072
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:56,880
think about that. I don't want it to
become part of

1073
01:29:55,360 --> 01:30:00,000
» nothing else does. She
>> So the motion needs to say that it's

1074
01:29:58,639 --> 01:30:03,600
» so your stipen doesn't
>> no

1075
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:10,239
» only their base pay
>> makes up the 85%. These motions be that

1076
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:13,800
this is this is a bonus [clears throat]
outside of

1077
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:24,080
» outside
of anything

1078
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:28,639
elected officials in our
>> current motion. You can either die

1079
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:34,080
» that's what I was trying to decide
whether it was best to die or just do an

1080
01:30:30,719 --> 01:30:39,360
amended motion. Um,
or maybe I shouldn't do it since my

1081
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:44,639
brain doesn't work. Um, okay. I amend my
motion

1082
01:30:41,520 --> 01:30:54,800
to be a
bonus never to be factored in to base

1083
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:59,760
pay of $100 a year after year three.
$100 each year thereafter with a cap of

1084
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:04,800
2,000
to be paid in the first pay in December

1085
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:10,080
with no proration if you are no longer
employed at the time first pay of

1086
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:16,520
December we forfeit it and that it is
for all county employees

1087
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:16,520
that sound better

1088
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:21,239
fulltime what about part

1089
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,880
only fulltime and the base

1090
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:36,600
on that.

1091
01:31:38,133 --> 01:31:42,118
[clears throat]
>> What was that you said? [laughter]

1092
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:46,280
Sorry, I wasn't listen.

1093
01:31:55,920 --> 01:31:59,148
asked me to repeat that. [laughter]

1094
01:32:01,058 --> 01:32:07,679
[clears throat]
>> I'll try to restate it.

1095
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:11,760
So, longevity pay
based on $100 per year after three full

1096
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:16,639
years
paid in the first pay period in

1097
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:20,040
December. not grow rated. If the
employee leaves

1098
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:31,600
as a bonus not factored in base pay
to include all county full-time

1099
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:41,560
employees, including elected officials
with a cap of $2,000, it's $100 per year

1100
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:41,560
paid every year after two years.

1101
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,520
Okay. Any other discussion?

1102
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:59,960
Okay. All in favor raise your right
hand.

1103
01:32:56,960 --> 01:32:59,960
52

1104
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:09,520
» to no reason
>> only because council is in there you

1105
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:14,000
know
all these

1106
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:19,059
saying that it's only the part of the
council and I wasn't going to let it not

1107
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,059
pass [laughter]

1108
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:27,840
» yeah
[laughter]

1109
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:27,840
when you nobody made a comment about

1110
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:38,400
Okay. And then what about uh
the percentage wage increase? We we have

1111
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:44,840
our total cost. It was it was told to us
our total

1112
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,840
the total cost of $470,000

1113
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:53,920
with a 2 and 12% wage increase
including what was just voted on

1114
01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:59,880
invivity including the benefits and
taxes associated

1115
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,880
with it.

1116
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:09,920
So that number's the number
>> county general

1117
01:34:07,440 --> 01:34:13,040
» in county general. Yes. Yeah. That's
that title I have over the header of all

1118
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:16,480
that they just wrote.
>> Yeah. So it will be

1119
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:20,960
» some shake out.
>> There'll be more increase in the other.

1120
01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:25,440
Yeah, for sure.
>> There's some big ones in [clears throat]

1121
01:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,880
» PAP 911.
Yeah. Yeah.

1122
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:31,679
» EMS.
There's some big ones.

1123
01:34:30,480 --> 01:34:34,760
» There are some
>> I mean

1124
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:51,639
feel like we did the work to be able to
do what we're

1125
01:34:53,360 --> 01:35:01,880
going to be.
be a much bigger number when you get

1126
01:34:57,040 --> 01:35:01,880
those. Say that one more time.

1127
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:10,520
» Thanks.

1128
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:26,679
» Well, we did the work. We cut it down.
It's 100.

1129
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:26,679
» We can do it 5,000 just

1130
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:35,600
benefits. So you're probably talking
on the other funds, not general.

1131
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:39,239
» I think there's a lot more than that
>> based on the 5.2

1132
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:47,280
5.2.
>> Those numbers she doesn't think are

1133
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:51,600
accurate. Oh, that's right.
I would prefer to do what Ann and I are

1134
01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:53,199
doing and I just ran out of time this
morning.

1135
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:57,360
» Yeah, I forgot that.
>> I mean, we can we can go look through

1136
01:35:55,840 --> 01:36:01,719
the budgets right now and look at those
top five. Those are the big ones.

1137
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:06,840
» Just get a general number.

1138
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:19,320
» Said you had that seated, right?
I did it down.

1139
01:36:21,199 --> 01:36:26,840
Everybody
take 12:35.

1140
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:55,400
the payroll number in here.

1141
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:21,800
That's over a million dollars

1142
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:26,400
payable and benefits.
You

1143
01:37:24,880 --> 01:37:30,000
» just want me to find out how much it was
last year.

1144
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:33,000
» Take the base.
Anybody

1145
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:42,760
doing
911 yet?

1146
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:42,760
» No.

1147
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:59,960
» Just give me just give me the positions,
not the not

1148
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,960
» Oh, just the positions. Okay.

1149
01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:06,760
session.
this year.

1150
01:38:10,483 --> 01:38:12,503
[laughter]

1151
01:38:13,920 --> 01:38:17,639
» Okay, let's do it again.

1152
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:30,440
using the proposed budget
>> 119

1153
01:38:26,880 --> 01:38:30,440
» that was 911

1154
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:34,280
1903

1155
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,960
» 911

1156
01:38:40,480 --> 01:38:43,480
» 1222

1157
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:48,840
number
>> 119 03 39.

1158
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:56,360
» I'm doing 1176. Okay.

1159
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,760
» What else do we need, guys?

1160
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,840
» 2,487,779.

1161
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:32,520
seated.
>> So seated

1162
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:36,520
like the per

1163
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:44,800
the difference is $14,71.
Now what was the original? What's the

1164
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:50,239
amount of wages?
Oh, I just figure as a whole.

1165
01:39:48,639 --> 01:39:54,639
» You just had that one done.
>> So, we have we have what it was, you

1166
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:58,960
know, without any raises and then we
have the two and a half%.

1167
01:39:56,239 --> 01:40:04,560
» No, I mean 90 the total face without
raises matches.

1168
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:09,679
» So, it's 160,968.
You just take the

1169
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:16,239
you take the three wages here at the top
and then down here that's how

1170
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:23,159
the wages that were moving not taking
the bike or the program. So I came up

1171
01:40:19,679 --> 01:40:23,159
with 160,960s

1172
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:34,600
in

1173
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:41,560
» I did not page
>> 1236

1174
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:56,760
Oh, that has that other
>> million3

1175
01:40:53,760 --> 01:40:56,760
» 1,431,384.

1176
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:04,800
» Oh, I lied. No, that wasn't everything.
Sorry.

1177
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:11,560
» Yeah, you don't want
>> 1236. Is that what you want?

1178
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:11,560
» Okay. So, let's

1179
01:41:14,719 --> 01:41:17,719
start.

1180
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,600
Correct.

1181
01:41:42,560 --> 01:41:48,655
» Give me a new number. temper.
[cough]

1182
01:41:46,635 --> 01:41:48,655
[clears throat]

1183
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,280
You know what I need?

1184
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:34,400
No overtime and no part.
>> Oh

1185
01:42:33,440 --> 01:42:37,840
Express 90.
>> Yeah2.

1186
01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:43,639
» Yeah. Because we move those positions in
there one

1187
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,639
» one ex

1188
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:49,560
one two three four positions

1189
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:01,520
» 1,600,460
in the EMS.

1190
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:06,360
» No, sorry that's
>> No. Okay. 1,600,463.

1191
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:19,046
» Yeah, I have over time.
>> Okay. So now

1192
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:19,046
itself [clears throat]

1193
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:43,480
3 million.

1194
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:00,679
the decimal. Whoa.

1195
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:17,880
Six.

1196
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,880
It's $100,000.

1197
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:38,920
wage base wage increase.

1198
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:48,119
Add 100 to your 70.
The 470 did include benefits and taxes.

1199
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:03,800
» There's a lot of those

1200
01:45:05,840 --> 01:45:11,707
actually get close to another 200,000
[snorts]

1201
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,760
» become

1202
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:26,199
cushion.
>> Yeah.

1203
01:46:04,000 --> 01:46:13,440
So the motion is
that we do a 2 and a half%

1204
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:18,560
wage increase.
I don't need to put any specifics on it,

1205
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:23,679
right? Just
>> I would say

1206
01:46:21,440 --> 01:46:26,000
we set part-time and salary rent
separately.

1207
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:30,560
» Okay. Right. True.
>> So talk about full time.

1208
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:35,400
» Yeah. Full-time employees a 2 and a
half% pay increase.

1209
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:47,159
my motion.
I wanted to be through that

1210
01:46:44,159 --> 01:46:47,159
again.

1211
01:46:47,199 --> 01:46:50,360
» Thank you.

1212
01:46:53,360 --> 01:47:02,719
» My only thing that I want to make clear
is that we're doing this to base pay,

1213
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:07,119
right? to everybody's base pay because I
know especially in the sheriff's

1214
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:11,760
department
or their budget where they have

1215
01:47:09,119 --> 01:47:17,199
corporals and they have things like that
if you allow it to not be on the base

1216
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:20,320
then you cause a
>> discrepancy

1217
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:26,800
» discrepancy a faster grow between
positions so mine would be if that piece

1218
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:30,719
isn't in there I need to know if it's in
base

1219
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:34,199
» it is in there as B pay yes the devotion
And then the second

1220
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:47,719
any other discussion

1221
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:52,280
trying to think if there's any other
clarion

1222
01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:04,440
instructions.
>> Yeah, it's just

1223
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:13,239
a statement.

1224
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,760
» Oh,

1225
01:48:17,040 --> 01:48:22,560
okay. Then yeah, Lisa just brought up
that include all elected officials.

1226
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:26,880
» Oh, that's right.
>> Yeah.

1227
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:29,760
That was we discussed that about
>> already.

1228
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:34,000
» We already voted on council staying at
the 56,000.

1229
01:48:32,320 --> 01:48:38,880
So that still stands.
>> Clarity without council.

1230
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:45,280
» Thank you.
>> Got that [clears throat] going.

1231
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:48,480
» So Ruth amended her motion to all
full-time employees excluding council.

1232
01:48:48,000 --> 01:48:52,960
» Correct.
>> Yes. Yes. Newly elected

1233
01:48:52,239 --> 01:48:57,600
» employees.
>> Yeah. We make sure

1234
01:48:55,199 --> 01:49:02,239
that we discussed that when we was
talking about the sheriff's day fixing

1235
01:48:59,595 --> 01:49:06,159
[snorts] that fixing that.
>> Yeah, I knew it was going to be too

1236
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:10,130
simple just
>> I was so afraid of that.

1237
01:49:08,110 --> 01:49:10,130
» [laughter]

1238
01:49:13,600 --> 01:49:19,679
» just
>> so does it do do you wish for the motion

1239
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:26,880
to be also
>> too in the surveyor too

1240
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:30,639
» excluding newly elected officials
>> they're the only two I think we're

1241
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:33,920
» well the prosecutor pay isn't actually
in ours

1242
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:36,400
» and state didn't give any raises so that
position won't see anything that's not

1243
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:39,360
ours
>> we just got we just

1244
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:48,760
share a balance sheet are the only
two new

1245
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,760
» elected officials.

1246
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:57,920
» Well, you're going to have
Isn't the recorder's office changing

1247
01:49:55,440 --> 01:50:02,880
from there?
>> So, she's been

1248
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:07,840
» Yes. No, I just meant if you were going
to say no,

1249
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:12,320
» no increase on an elected official
position, newly elected official

1250
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:16,639
position, it would affect that person.
>> It would affect that office. What if

1251
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:20,400
it's somebody who's moving back in that
was already I'm not saying she should or

1252
01:50:18,239 --> 01:50:24,560
she shouldn't. I'm just saying that's
another flag to deal with. If we're

1253
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:27,880
going to be clean, how do you want to
handle it?

1254
01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:34,000
» She's been the elected official before.
That's going to happen in the clerks

1255
01:50:32,159 --> 01:50:37,040
too, isn't that?
>> Yep. And

1256
01:50:35,199 --> 01:50:44,400
» yeah, good touch.
>> So, we just have to

1257
01:50:39,760 --> 01:50:48,639
I say new people elected
position

1258
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:52,320
and by say new people that just limits
it to the two.

1259
01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:57,360
» So, right
>> when you say new pe well

1260
01:50:54,239 --> 01:51:01,920
» urgently elected people [laughter]
>> that's good.

1261
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:05,411
No, wait a second. That opens up a whole
new

1262
01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:05,411
» can [laughter]

1263
01:51:10,239 --> 01:51:13,960
experience
>> first.

1264
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:23,840
Be the cleanest way to put it.
>> Yes, that is what my motion says. That

1265
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:29,647
was your
>> We're on the same page.

1266
01:51:26,080 --> 01:51:29,647
» You can hold that. [laughter]

1267
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:39,639
first time.
>> Yes.

1268
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:48,000
» You're really make me type a lot on the
cell.

1269
01:51:46,480 --> 01:51:52,280
» If we don't get it right, we're just
back.

1270
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:52,280
» You're gonna go back and answer

1271
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:57,000
this part.

1272
01:51:57,599 --> 01:52:07,199
that I got.
>> Is there any other gray areas there that

1273
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:16,360
need covered?
>> Think of everything you can think of.

1274
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:16,360
doesn't include sip just base pay

1275
01:52:16,960 --> 01:52:24,239
» only based
>> yeah

1276
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:29,719
nothing I can think of right now
>> until we're done

1277
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:29,719
» there's always something

1278
01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:36,880
» so remember we'll have some discussion
about absorbing more cost if we want to

1279
01:52:35,440 --> 01:52:39,880
do something on the parttime side as
well

1280
01:52:40,400 --> 01:52:45,159
comes to salary units in December.

1281
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:52,040
Okay. Any other discussion?

1282
01:52:52,880 --> 01:53:01,960
Those raise right in
your name.

1283
01:52:58,159 --> 01:53:01,960
Four to three. Okay.

1284
01:53:08,480 --> 01:53:11,360
Yeah.

1285
01:53:15,119 --> 01:53:21,560
Okay,
that it's not official till it's

1286
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,560
adopted.

1287
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:26,440
» Good work everybody. Discussion.

1288
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:37,639
I know that was a little we don't have
to do

1289
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:37,639
the second

1290
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:57,199
answer.

1291
01:54:02,864 --> 01:54:04,884
» [clears throat]

1292
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:11,800
» It's
partic

1293
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:27,520
» that just was something I thought about
writing down twice this last weekend and

1294
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:36,679
Um,
>> it was asked to me about solid budget

1295
01:54:32,639 --> 01:54:36,679
percent increase.

1296
01:54:54,609 --> 01:55:00,119
» [snorts]
>> It was 2.51

1297
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:05,159
executive%
total

1298
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:11,639
I'm sorry

1299
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:25,320
eight and a half% increase.

1300
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:37,159
» And their budget ended up right, didn't
it?

1301
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:37,159
» $326.

1302
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:40,599
» They have

1303
01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:47,800
8.4%

1304
01:55:51,119 --> 01:55:57,199
income employ this is northeast
district.

1305
01:55:55,599 --> 01:56:03,199
So I mean that's not just on him right
that's on all of those wages increases

1306
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:06,360
all the way that 22
of those

1307
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:14,040
how is that wage paid with the split

1308
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:19,815
they get their own tax rate
[clears throat]

1309
01:56:21,679 --> 01:56:31,040
other counties whether they get the
or the tax rate is the same on the four

1310
01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:33,920
of us. I don't have any idea.
>> I don't believe that the tax rate is the

1311
01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:38,000
same.
>> I don't think it would because our seat

1312
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:40,000
is so much higher
>> county

1313
01:56:38,480 --> 01:56:43,040
» is a different number county. I don't
know how they determine it.

1314
01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:47,360
» We had that discussion last meeting.
>> Right. My thought process is the total

1315
01:56:45,199 --> 01:56:50,960
and they figure out how much is is it
just divided by four and that's divided

1316
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:53,840
by or cv to give us I mean that's how
every other rate is set is

1317
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:58,199
» that's right.
I mean I know we approved it because

1318
01:56:58,719 --> 01:57:06,320
you know
county has it own rate based on its

1319
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:13,599
assess
>> so each county does not share equally in

1320
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:17,119
that sten county pays the
largest amount

1321
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:21,199
» I thought that's what he said yeah we're
the largest not the largest population

1322
01:57:19,679 --> 01:57:26,159
but the largest
>> we look at as a You get to see his

1323
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:31,280
budget because we have the highest CNF.
>> But you don't think it is however much

1324
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:36,080
it is divided by four. We each get our
percentage and then divided by our CNF

1325
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:39,520
to give us our rate. And that's why our
rates are all different.

1326
01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:44,639
» Rates are all different
because of the fact that we have such a

1327
01:57:42,239 --> 01:57:48,960
» high assessed value. So our rate is
probably much lower than anybody else's

1328
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:53,440
» likely
>> because ours is so high.

1329
01:57:54,000 --> 01:58:04,320
So the wage increases put in here
are eight and a half% executive

1330
01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:09,679
director, 5% on program manager,
education coordinator and office manager

1331
01:58:06,880 --> 01:58:17,360
and mechanic supervisor and then three
and a half% for the operators

1332
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:20,080
and the parttime increase amount
percentage wise.

1333
01:58:29,679 --> 01:58:33,480
It's 2.3%.

1334
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:42,760
» That isn't necessarily on
a wage that could be on an hour.

1335
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:50,960
» That
was included.

1336
01:58:49,199 --> 01:58:56,080
» Yeah, I don't think it was included any
of that. I guess he comes back, right?

1337
01:58:54,800 --> 01:59:01,199
We ask him to come back.
>> So, we can ask him because Kelly said

1338
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:06,320
that we've been doing the three readings
like we do our general other buttons.

1339
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:10,400
Three readings will be there. She says
procedurally required to have a second

1340
01:59:08,639 --> 01:59:15,679
third reading.
It's been read but hasn't been adopted

1341
01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:18,719
until we adopt.
if we're going to have a second. We've

1342
01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:21,280
been doing the second third before. So
that would be appropriate time to ask to

1343
01:59:20,239 --> 01:59:25,520
come back.
>> I think we haven't come back to find out

1344
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:29,800
if they gave raises. I mean I think
>> Yeah. Do we have any history on that?

1345
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:36,000
» Yeah. What the was there a pay increase
last year?

1346
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:39,679
» You remember they put in last year?
>> I don't think they did. I think that's

1347
01:59:37,840 --> 01:59:42,080
why they were so high this year.
>> Yeah.

1348
01:59:40,159 --> 01:59:45,360
» They didn't put in for a pay increase
last a year ago. Can you guys double

1349
01:59:44,239 --> 01:59:49,679
check that?
>> I can. I'm going to see him on Friday.

1350
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:52,840
» Okay. See what he says about that. They
can ask

1351
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:10,080
» Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they just a
year ago they didn't put in for a pay

1352
02:00:07,679 --> 02:00:15,040
increase for anybody and that's why they
were so

1353
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:18,320
» they did more this year.
Let me know and we'll discuss that

1354
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:22,400
again.
I will ask why the percentages.

1355
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,400
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

1356
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:29,159
» Okay.

1357
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:42,760
» HR.
Anything else you guys need us to be

1358
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:42,760
discerning so that you can

1359
02:00:43,840 --> 02:00:50,480
» I don't think would any of you guys be
able to tell us if we were inside the

1360
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:56,159
advertised
>> one issue with our advertise

1361
02:00:53,280 --> 02:01:01,760
over advertised
>> with all the changes you're over in lit

1362
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:06,320
» so 180,000
>> yes

1363
02:01:03,360 --> 02:01:08,560
we got to do something at the January
Yeah.

1364
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:12,719
» So, we just do an additional January and
let self funds. Okay.

1365
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:15,360
» Well, so we'll have to do an additional
January.

1366
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:20,320
» Okay.
>> Okay. There's there's a couple more that

1367
02:01:17,599 --> 02:01:26,800
we'll have to tell you, but that one we
could I talked to Will this morning and

1368
02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:29,360
he was okay with us cutting the 180,000.
>> Um

1369
02:01:27,280 --> 02:01:31,360
» that was on the special projects line.
What was it called?

1370
02:01:30,159 --> 02:01:36,639
» Yeah.
>> Project ready. Um, and then they'll just

1371
02:01:34,320 --> 02:01:39,599
come back after the first beer. It's
easier to do one line to do a whole

1372
02:01:38,560 --> 02:01:44,080
bunch of lines.
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, that's still a lot

1373
02:01:41,679 --> 02:01:48,199
better than what we've done.
>> So, we'll come up with

1374
02:01:48,639 --> 02:01:55,280
» I can let you know what the rest of them
are.

1375
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:58,719
We're leaving it in general.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]

1376
02:01:57,040 --> 02:02:01,840
Yep.
So, we'll let you know. a couple more,

1377
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:04,719
but
>> we'll have to let you know what they are

1378
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:12,000
and what that dollar amount is or
whether or not we have a solution.

1379
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:16,320
» And as a reminder, our next meeting,
>> we can close this hearing out, but it is

1380
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:19,280
not on Tuesday, right?
>> No, it's on Monday.

1381
02:02:18,080 --> 02:02:24,320
» Monday at 9.
>> Monday

1382
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:29,080
on Tuesday
14.

1383
02:02:26,080 --> 02:02:29,080
Yeah.

1384
02:02:35,040 --> 02:02:41,280
So we will have our regular council
meeting and also have on the agenda

1385
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:47,840
discussion
our budgets again do another reading

1386
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:52,320
ideally
October [snorts] which would give your

1387
02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:55,800
office plenty of time
>> like November

1388
02:02:57,520 --> 02:03:02,960
And um the salary ordinance won't be
done until October though.

1389
02:03:01,679 --> 02:03:06,960
» Correct.
>> Okay. So should we have discussion in

1390
02:03:05,119 --> 02:03:12,080
our September meeting about the salary
ordinance?

1391
02:03:08,719 --> 02:03:16,400
» Um I will bring to you
>> I don't have a list of the exceptions

1392
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:20,239
for the part-time wages. That's usually
what I get around for you. Now you can

1393
02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:25,599
discuss right now what you want to set
your part-time wage at and then I'll

1394
02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:30,000
have a list of exceptions for you. I can
get that around for the September

1395
02:03:26,880 --> 02:03:32,880
meeting. There's not that many.
>> I'm okay with just doing it all in

1396
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:38,000
September meeting. Just put enough time
in the agenda. Does that date work for

1397
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:42,239
you guys to have time agenda?
>> It does take discussion.

1398
02:03:40,639 --> 02:03:48,040
» Yeah. No, I'm good.
>> I'm good with that.

1399
02:03:44,159 --> 02:03:48,040
» All right. So, we'll do that.

1400
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:59,679
If nobody can think of anything else in
their stacks,

1401
02:03:56,639 --> 02:04:03,440
I would welcome a motion to adjourn our
budget sessions.

1402
02:04:01,599 --> 02:04:09,320
I'll make a motion to adjourn the budget
session. All right. Second. I'll second

1403
02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:23,119
you all the way to your office.