[0:07] Welcome back everyone to meeting budget
sessions. Um we kind of got through
[0:14] everything a real deep dive the big
crash points about bigger changes and
[0:20] things that brought up going through
those. It'd be nice if we kind of
[0:24] revisited each of those again. If we
missed anything, just let me know. Um
[0:30] uh again I want to thank our department
heads this year. You're not going to
[0:34] come here and things here from me until
we're already until we're completely
[0:38] fully adopted. But great budgets
presented
[0:42] auditor's office best look we've had yet
going in to this ability to let us get
[0:49] online and do things. Christina ran with
that. Thank Christina for it was a great
[0:54] tool for all of us investment time and
energy. appreciate it and I couldn't be
[1:01] more humbled and proud to serve on this
council. So, great question.
[1:06] Okay, ready to dive in?
>> Health department.
[1:10] » Start with you. [laughter]
[1:14] » I don't know.
[1:21] [clears throat]
[1:27] Sorry, I wasn't here last week.
[1:38] » Yes.
>> So, I know it's kind of messy, so I
[1:45] apologize, but we did decrease back down
to our original salaries.
[1:51] And I discussed this with Ruth just a
little bit ago. And then we were going
[1:55] to take one of our full-time positions
that is split between
[2:00] um 7376 and 1159 and eliminate that
position down to park.
[2:15] It's got the one4.
That's what I was trying to find number
[2:24] two. Yeah. One104.
>> Okay.
[2:29] » So that 31,000 will be eliminated from
1159.
[2:36] [clears throat]
[2:40] And then we also gave up insurance for
Dr. Chrisman for the health officer
[2:44] position moving forward. And then this
position would no longer have benefits
[2:48] either. So that would decrease our
insurance and per
[2:56] line goes to part time.
>> Yes.
[2:59] And I was going to move her over to
1161, but I don't know if you want me to
[3:05] do that now. I have copies for you.
[3:13] » I know it's a lot. I'm sorry. What do
you need me to explain?
[3:16] » No.
>> No. And I'm going to apologize. I am
[3:19] recovering from vertigo this weekend. So
my question is 11.
[3:24] You're moving her to 1161
as a part-time person on the time
[3:29] person.
>> So she will be the
[3:32] 31,00050.
>> No, she'll be 28125
[3:38] » because she has a different pay. That
person that is 31050 is going to be
[3:46] reduced also to no longer have a line
there.
[3:50] » So the 28 what was the rest of that
please?
[3:53] » 28125.
Thank you.
[3:57] » It's going to be parttime and it's going
to be for how much? $25 an hour. Oh, you
[4:01] want the total? Uh 28125.
>> So rather than the 30
[4:06] » Oh, I was writing that down as the final
number. I apologize.
[4:10] » But it would go under 11611410
0
[4:19] » feel like I'm talking.
[4:23] » So the employee that they gained during
the health initiative
[4:28] they have just gotten rid of the uh
person going part time and a part-time
[4:34] going correct.
[clears throat and cough]
[4:39] So my question is going to be
that when you add that to 1169
[4:49] the cash balance if I'm correct is
already going to take a substantial hit
[4:55] by the end of the year. Correct. That's
why we were worried about it and that
[5:00] there isn't enough cash balance to to
carry the difference. We are not we were
[5:06] not positive 11. I have C carry over
from 2024 and 2025 that I am using for
[5:14] 1161.
>> How much is that?
[5:16] » Our carryover for 2024
was 19,41423.
[5:27] And then for 2025, I'm now using
15,5595,
[5:33] which gives me a remaining balance if
you want that number also for 2025.
[5:39] » So is it does that make the cash balance
you gave us of the two 227,500
[5:45] that's included cash?
>> That's included in the cash balance,
[5:48] right? So it's almost neutral,
[5:53] » but it's decreased and that cash balance
will continue to decrease till the end
[5:57] of the year,
[clears throat and cough]
[6:00] » right?
>> Yes.
[6:02] » We only got 180.
>> And last year that total budget was
[6:07] 30245.
So if we only got 180 and then we were
[6:13] eating into that cash balance of the and
that it was at 227500
[6:18] and you thought it would continue to
decrease and the rest of the year. Do we
[6:22] know what we think it'll be at the end
of the year?
[6:27] » I don't think we've done that those
calculations.
[6:30] » Can so we've spent
179 of 179 706 out of it already at the
[6:38] end of August. So we had so the rest of
the year whatever is left will come out
[6:42] of the cash balance would be the
thought. Is that correct?
[6:47] » Are you following my train of thought?
[clears throat]
[6:51] » So
>> so moving out of the position 27%.
[6:56] » Yeah. Mine is whether or not the year
we'll be able to support if we'll be
[7:01] able to get all through 2027 without
that cash balance being gone.
[7:08] So I guess my question is when you look
at the location budget, how much
[7:12] unexpended has how much is there left to
be spent has been appropriated, right?
[7:17] Would that be a decent number to take
off that cash balance to give us kind of
[7:20] an understanding?
>> 1161, right?
[7:24] » And 1161.
>> I have do you guys have any
[7:28] » I have this
[7:36] making sense.
[7:40] Last year we appropriated 302,400.
[clears throat]
[7:46] It only got 180 this year.
>> We have expended which they pulled this
[7:52] budget 170 not yet 180. So we so we've
expended the revenue from this year. So
[7:57] all that's left to to support in the
last quarter is the cash balance
[8:02] » which
[8:07] 1159
>> 1161 was 164. So that cash balance of
[8:12] 164 has
[laughter]
[8:16] » 40,000
less even
[8:21] less. The line is is we take whatever
the cash balance is, whatever the
[8:24] location budget needs to be spent, and
that should give us the injured
[8:28] estimated number.
>> Yep.
[8:31] » And then that plus they know they're
going to get 182. So those two numbers
[8:35] together, is it enough to cover what
we're doing here so that it
[8:41] will just exhaust all of 1169 next year?
>> Yeah, we have $44,000
[8:48] » left.
>> Left.
[8:49] » You're better with numbers in your head.
I'll trust you. I [laughter] told you my
[8:52] brain is right.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There should be about
[8:55] $44,000 difference.
>> That's why I'm pushing.
[9:03] » This is just a general is going to have
to take a hit.
[9:05] » Yeah.
>> Come through the quarter next year.
[9:07] That's why
>> so that 164 396
[9:13] » cash balance minus 36,000
>> car that's in there is
[9:19] » 28,000. Well, and if you just took,
right, if I just took her 302 minus what
[9:25] she spent, that would leave us about
what she needs to spend the rest of the
[9:28] year. 302 405, [clears throat] right?
179706
[9:34] out of it. So, it's [laughter] 122,700
that she has left to spend. So, how does
[9:43] 42,000 in there?
So if we end the year with 42,000
[9:49] and they're going to make not make their
res 182
[9:55] gives you
>> 224 and we were at 226 before we put in
[10:02] [clears throat]
position.
[10:04] » That's neutral plus this position is
roughly
[10:07] » but this one went away.
>> So that
[10:10] » so we're actually looking at a $3,000.
So actually 223
[10:14] » the part oh the part time that was there
>> that went away
[10:24] and we got that other one by another
thousand down there too.
[10:28] » So you're I mean you're breaking dead
even.
[10:31] » Yeah.
>> There's no
[10:36] » Yes. And I apolog
>> in long session so they might adjust.
[10:42] It's priority for them to put more money
back into that. But
[10:46] » we're the only ones.
>> Oh, I don't think we're hang on a
[10:50] minute. [clears throat]
[10:53] » 11. So
[10:58] » if ours last year was 394, it brings it
to whatus
[11:06] 37,000.
[11:10] Yeah. So, we're going to 460 now.
[11:17] [clears throat]
[11:22] » I don't think an increase of a levy for
like a 100 grand is going to be that
[11:26] much of a
>> So, that changes this.
[11:31] » Say that again.
If it's just $100,000,
[11:35] then how do they
>> It's not going to affect a levy that
[11:39] much because
[11:43] not
very minimal,
[11:47] » but we're affect
So you're going
[11:51] » it's going to pull from
[11:56] » 494 304
>> is where 1159.
[12:01] [laughter]
So how I understand
[12:05] » it's 494 304
[12:13] » but that also she said she all the wages
back so that's actually not hang
[12:18] » yeah I have that if you take all the
wages back I have 4630
[12:22] 30.
[12:37] » Yes.
[12:42] » The admin fee, not the full.
>> So, we pick up all
[12:47] pick up any
>> we'll get to that.
[12:50] » Okay. Any more questions for
[clears throat] the department?
[12:54] » I'm getting clarification on carryover
because it's worded different to us than
[13:01] it is in your guys' terms.
[13:06] » I'm not quite sure. I understood it as
it was held at the state,
[13:11] » but I might be wrong. So, that's what
I'm getting.
[13:14] » Okay. verification course.
[13:19] » I also misunderstood, McKenna, that you
were removing the part-time, the 315 for
[13:25] that part time
>> from 116 or 1159. 1161.
[13:30] » Yeah. But in 1161, they said you were
removing the 31 and taking it to 28. I
[13:36] was adding them together.
>> Oh, yeah.
[13:42] » [clears throat]
[13:44] » Okay.
>> Does that look better?
[13:47] » Yeah. Thank you so much.
>> Well done. Last minute.
[13:51] » I mean, we're literally sitting here
thinking, do we have to adopt a new
[13:55] rate?
>> Yeah.
[13:56] » Health or major cuts.
>> Yeah. I was here yesterday for hours.
[14:01] So, yeah.
>> [clears throat]
[14:04] » And then I'll get clarification from the
state on if it's cash balance or if it's
[14:08] carry.
>> Thank you for all your effort.
[14:13] » Anybody else have anything? Thank you.
>> No, thank you for being willing to
[14:18] thank.
>> Yes. Thank you.
[14:20] » I went in thinking I'm gonna have to
work in all the work with that. Thank
[14:24] you.
[14:39] So they actually gave us two health
insurance.
[14:47] » Yes. [clears throat]
[14:52] » Yeah.
I
[14:54] » mean that's big for us.
>> Yeah.
[14:57] So that's going to look even
better there.
[15:02] » That affects inside of So we were
talking about the fact that she gave us
[15:06] two health insurancees then because
[snorts] Chrisman came up came off and
[15:11] with her taking a full position to part
time that came off. So we don't see that
[15:15] in her budget, but we would see that in
the commissioner's budget insurance,
[15:20] » which is big. That's our biggest
variable in general.
[15:25] » That's huge.
>> What she just did? Yes, it is.
[15:30] » We'll cycle back to the community
corrections work release request letter
[15:35] that we got. I just want to make sure
that
[15:39] before we close door on that that we're
all on the same page
[15:46] that
department
[15:52] are okay with it.
Big deficit program. We we do have the
[15:59] uh health insurance
positions
[16:03] but um they the grants are funded for
the added cost health insurance but all
[16:11] the claims
[16:14] if it's not there comes off and
[16:20] maybe who knows maybe many counties are
in the same position we are not
[16:24] understanding things how they're going
to fund it to continue it because of
[16:27] what the state did and maybe as they go
into session down there if it's not
[16:32] funed for many counties they'll work
hard
[16:43] everybody okay with where we left that
unfunded right now
[16:50] » yeah I just I don't I don't know how it
fits right now and it's
[16:55] You're in jail is my biggest concern.
>> That's my concern is what is it going to
[16:58] do to you?
>> It works.
[17:02] » We will find out. Is it is it going to
throw you way out of rat? I mean it it
[17:06] comes down to 18 or 19 actual bodies. Is
that right?
[17:11] » I want to say 14 was in my head.
>> Yeah.
[17:15] How many people are on it?
[17:20] We'll have to look for I think it was
[17:43] » it's about being able to afford it.
I wonder if this was you, Mike, because
[17:50] you're closer to the court
[17:54] if when they're in court about it and if
that's not happening,
[17:59] » could they go either direction depending
on the offense and the judge and you
[18:03] know what I mean? Does it necessarily
push them all into incarceration or not?
[18:08] Well, that that's the that's the
question the advisory board just has to
[18:11] handle is whether or not that may just
push everybody to a home detention
[18:16] monitoriization type of situation. But
there are some people on work release
[18:20] obviously that don't qualify for that
just because of charges or whatever
[18:24] there may be. We think we think we were
just a little higher than that. I think
[18:28] we were at 20 the last time, two months
ago, but I don't know where they're at
[18:32] today because we're in that interim
period of having a temporary director
[18:37] and she's she's doing what she can, but
I haven't asked her as far as her
[18:41] numbers are where they're at.
>> But if tomorrow, and not all 20 would,
[18:46] but if tomorrow, if you got hit with 20
more, is it going to put you hugely out
[18:50] of balance?
>> Uh, well, sure. It's what it'll do is
[18:54] it'll push us right to maximum bed
capacity. It'll push us right at that
[19:00] 80%.
State state says 80.
[19:03] » What would happen with that? Let's let's
say okay January one there's no funding.
[19:08] What happens with those that are already
in Are the court's going to have to look
[19:12] at that again?
>> Yes.
[19:14] Yeah. I I don't know what will happen
that
[19:20] Pam's in here. Pam will probably take a
lot of heat on that as well. I mean, as
[19:23] long as with us, not not that it's our
fault. I mean, she'll probably see some
[19:27] participants come back her way. We'll
probably see some participants be
[19:31] incarcerated and
then the county will have to figure out
[19:35] a program because really truly at the
end of the day I think the total was
[19:39] over aundred people in one way or
another on that program like 115 or
[19:45] something
>> in
[19:49] work release and home detention. Do you
mean 100?
[19:52] » Yeah. But on the actual because we're
not talking about getting rid of work
[19:57] release,
right?
[20:00] » We're only talking about the work
release position. But if we're going to
[20:03] get hit, if it's going to cause our
insurance to jump, if it's going to I
[20:08] mean, if that price, if that 200,000
>> is going to just come from somewhere
[20:13] else that we don't have an option,
>> right,
[20:15] » then it is do we need to figure it out
and keep it? It would be better for us
[20:20] to be in control of it for someone else
to dictate what we have to respond to.
[20:24] Yes.
To answer, do we just pass $200,000
[20:28] though? I I don't think we can give that
answer just yet. We have another couple
[20:32] advisory board committee meetings and uh
I know the the current director is
[20:37] working on numbers on what they think
and then with the new director. We're
[20:40] getting we're about ready to get a new
director. Well, I shouldn't say we're
[20:44] about it's we're heading down that path
right now selecting one.
[20:48] It's going to be difficult here. I have
I have no guidance to give you. Bill's
[20:54] on the board. Pam's on the board. Will
there's a or Andy's on the board.
[20:59] Laughlin, Commissioner Laughlin. So,
right now we're really in an unknown.
[21:07] » Let's see if we can keep it on pause
button. Is that
[21:11] » I think it's gonna when we come down to
final numbers, I think we're going to
[21:14] have to talk about it. Sounds like to me
as an option the back door. You don't
[21:20] want it to hit us next.
[21:24] [clears throat]
[21:27] » I know it's tough when you don't talk
about
[21:29] » I I don't foresee the program shutting
off.
[21:32] » I don't think at all.
>> If if if word release was to close, the
[21:36] reduction in employees alone is going to
save quite a bit.
[21:42] What was saying the cost per participant
in work release was just astronomical
[21:48] cost.
[21:52] » It was all inside the grant. So no
matter what, it wasn't hitting us
[21:56] anywhere else.
>> Right.
[21:58] » Right.
>> Right. But but he's saying if we just
[22:00] took it over, it would cost us a lot
more than it should for participants.
[22:05] [clears throat]
>> Okay.
[22:06] » So it's a balance between that and other
unknown costs. I don't know. I think I
[22:10] pretend it was just let it
>> Yeah.
[22:15] » Okay. U
keep that tag as well. Assessor's
[22:21] office.
[22:25] [clears throat]
[22:37] You guys refer to the fact book a lot.
Factbook is information based on
[22:46] based on census. You can't use the fact
book when you talk in property taxes. We
[22:52] do not tax small children. We do not tax
renters. We do not tax people who live
[22:59] in any kind of um assisted living.
Right? So all of this here
[23:06] » that would be the case assessor's office
for another department
[23:09] » all assessor's office everything in the
property tax I'm talking recorder
[23:12] assessor auditor treasurer probably your
building department and even your
[23:17] surveyor we all go by parcel count now
my parcel counts on this first page I've
[23:24] just highlighted the number of words
because I already [clears throat] had I
[23:28] had full-time employee counted four so
if you look at those orange numbers I'm
[23:33] 19,000 parcels more than one of us.
16,000 parcels more, 12,000 parcels
[23:40] more. I do more work than those counties
who have four people do. If you look at
[23:47] page two, I highlighted down in the lo
[23:53] and
I am more closer related to Noble. He
[23:58] has 140 lake freshwater lakes and ponds.
Of his freshwater lakes and ponds, he
[24:06] maybe has six or eight that could
compete with our 18 or 20. I have more
[24:15] bigger half million dollar plus than he
has. So if you look, I'm more comparable
[24:21] than Noble, [clears throat] but I'm
still doing 12,700 more parcels on one
[24:28] less employee.
Okay.
[24:31] So when you look at the personal or when
you look at the property tax, you have
[24:37] to look at our parcel count. So then
page three, I just gave you some stats
[24:43] what those 40,000 parcels can equal and
the amount of work that it causes.
[24:49] Give me my little hold of the um we just
got the the June sales this here. Nice
[24:55] little handful of of property cards is
what we get in sales. This is how many
[25:02] splits transferred new plaques. This
here's a bunch of of garage condos. Um
[25:09] these here get touched um three and four
different ways for each [clears throat]
[25:16] we've got to go through nowadays. We got
to go through and do sales disclosures.
[25:19] We got to go through and do deed
transfers. Um, our software is not
[25:23] compatible with the new software that
the auditor has. So, we still have to do
[25:28] all of this data entry and double
checking to make sure we match with
[25:33] them. Everything
is number driven.
[25:38] If you look at the last page,
just to validate, sorry,
[25:44] just to validate, um, back in 2018, I
had a full-time employee who left um, in
[25:50] September. At the same time, I had
someone who was retiring in December,
[25:54] and you guys defunded me. So, I in
essence lost two skilled and talented
[26:00] people at the same time, and I brought
in a brand new girl. It takes
[26:06] [clears throat] good year. You only see
some of this stuff once a year. It takes
[26:09] a good year to go through it and it's
the second year when you really start
[26:13] going, "Oh, yeah." And you start
catching on to it. The same time we're
[26:17] trying to get the certification and
training. It's not easy to have somebody
[26:22] walk in and be
heatedly discussing their values that
[26:29] may have gone up or their tax bill that
they just got in April. You hear
[26:33] [clears throat]
the word spike was mentioned. We have
[26:36] spikes when we mail the tax bills. We
have spikes when we when we mail our
[26:40] form 11s, when um [clears throat] sales
um tax sale deeds go out, when anything,
[26:47] you know, even at the end of the year
when people want to come in for their
[26:50] homesteads, that's a spike. We have
deadlines we're constantly working on.
[26:55] We don't really have a hey Kim, it's
slow and you don't have anything to do.
[27:00] We've always got something going on and
it's constant. So that last page that
[27:05] I've drawn your attention to back when I
took office county general was 78,000 to
[27:12] $81,000
[27:16] asked. That's how much county general
budgeted and spent for my office over
[27:22] the years. And some of it was with the
help of of will we move some of that a
[27:27] lot of it over to reassessment.
[clears throat]
[27:30] So reassessment now is funding that
stuff. If you look at the very next one,
[27:35] my reassessment budget, Christina made a
comment that I'm carrying quarter
[27:40] million dollars, but I'm budgeting over
$300,000 out of that. So it's coming in
[27:47] with my with my tax settlements and then
it's going out. But that one used to be
[27:52] at 675,000
when I took office. So we did do a cash
[27:58] burn. I think we ran a couple of
employees out of it for a couple years.
[28:02] I now try to keep it around the 280,000
um cash balance because it's fluid. I've
[28:10] got money coming in with May settlement
and again with the November settlement.
[28:14] So, I try to keep that one a little bit
lower and I don't know if Will remembers
[28:18] working with me on that, but you know,
there was no reason to keep, you know,
[28:21] 680,000
in in an account. Um, but that one there
[28:26] covers my contracts. That one covers my
pable hearing. Um, some office supplies.
[28:32] I mean, a big bulk of it comes out of
that reassessment.
[28:36] Um, my sales disclosure fund is my
limited one. That one carries a $70,000
[28:41] balance right now. That one there,
though, I'm limited on what I can spend.
[28:45] I can do travel, training, self-exposure
stuff, you know. So, I am really
[28:51] watching what I'm trying to ask county
general for.
[28:55] um in moving it to those other accounts
and I really
[29:00] tightened the belts um over the the last
12 years.
[29:05] Um yes, we do have certifications. Yes,
those certifications do have um a siphon
[29:11] that comes along with it, but we warrant
certifications. We want talents and
[29:18] abilities to be able to handle when
those people come in and they have their
[29:23] heated discussions with us. If you can't
be yelled at in my office, you're not
[29:27] going to last. Um because they come in
and their guns are both and sometimes
[29:32] it's a husband and wife and they're
hitting you and you got to be able to
[29:36] control you control them and talk them
through it. Sometimes they leave and
[29:41] they're a friend. Um sometimes they
leave and they're not. Um we have we
[29:47] used to have 400 uh [clears throat]
appeals every year. This year by the
[29:51] grace of God 253.
Um so we are managing getting accurate
[29:58] assessments but again a lot of that is
because we do stay certified. We do keep
[30:03] our levels and our training which is
important. Everything starts with the
[30:09] most excess value. If you
[clears throat] don't have the value, if
[30:13] it falls, your tax rates are going to
go. You know, with SBA1, your tax rates
[30:17] are probably going to go up anyway, but
I didn't [clears throat] keep my my GAV
[30:22] going. It'll help you less.
um
[30:27] when you looked at your numbers and you
said that I'm employeeheavy or or
[30:32] whatever because you think I have too
many people um taking away people makes
[30:38] us miss our deadlines. We miss our
deadlines. We get on we get you know
[30:43] dinged from the DLGF. We miss our
deadlines. Kelly misses her deadlines.
[30:48] you know, all of this snowballs if I
can't stay on top of all of the work
[30:54] that's there.
[30:58] So, I'm gonna apologize. I didn't start
with the fact book. The factbook was a
[31:03] question afterwards. Can't find my paper
and I apologize.
[31:08] I initially did a review of all of our
major elected officials, the clerk, the
[31:15] recorder, the assessor, the auditor, and
the treasurer.
[31:20] I looked at how much your budgets were
and how many people you had.
[31:26] You had the largest budget if you
removed the bond from the auditor's
[31:30] office because that's not really her.
That's the commissioner and the council
[31:34] to pay the lease bond payment. If you
removed that, you were the highest
[31:38] budget on that that existed. You were
the largest amount of employees or not
[31:45] the largest, you were behind the
auditor's office. I apologize, but after
[31:49] that and then since I had been elected,
the treasurer, the auditor, and the
[31:53] clerk's office had all given back
positions.
[31:58] I had went and spoke with pre
um liaison. They said they'd had
[32:05] conversation about that your office.
They thought that this wasn't the first
[32:09] time that the conversation about you
being employee topheavy happened.
[32:14] That conversation happened. Lisa is the
one that asked me to look into numbers
[32:19] of in your office compared to other
counties. I did that. Then
[32:24] [clears throat] it was my understanding
that a conversation had happened before
[32:27] that if you had lost a position that we
would have a conversation about
[32:30] replacing that. that happened in
December of last year. You did have
[32:35] someone who left your office and that it
was filled when that would have been
[32:40] maybe our time to have the the
conversation about whether or not this
[32:43] could have happened without us just
defunding. So, I didn't just start with
[32:49] this and I apologize I showed up early
the first day of budgets. I know it was
[32:54] horrible timing on me and I apologize to
try to talk to you outside of a meeting
[32:58] and I'm sorry that I didn't get here
till then. I I didn't know you had
[33:03] conference. So, first of all, I'm sorry,
but it was [clears throat]
[33:07] and when I talked about your $2 and
some,000 in your assessment wasn't about
[33:12] your balance. It was about the fact that
not only were you the second highest on
[33:17] employees, but you spent 246 $262,000
a year on professional contracts. So if
[33:24] you're subbing out that work,
[33:28] we needed to have a conversation about
the position. That's where it came from.
[33:33] » And as my liaison, I mean, those are
something that possibly should have been
[33:38] discussed.
>> I long before budget.
[33:42] » What exactly does that equal? What
exactly does that do? When you figure up
[33:46] one of the classes that we have to do is
figures how much you're supposed to have
[33:50] for your your full-time employee. We're
supposed to have between 10 and 12
[33:55] people to be able to do our job
completely. And that is on-site um re
[34:00] reassessment all the way through, you
know, doing everything that we do. The
[34:05] Nexus Group does all of my ratio study.
That's a big chunk of that contract. Um
[34:11] is the ratio study. I'm going to say
it's probably $75,000 a year. But we
[34:16] have 500 neighborhoods. Each of those
neighborhoods have to be individually
[34:20] matched and figured out what did what
were the sales and what are the sales.
[34:25] Now you then have to go into each one of
those neighborhoods and you have to put
[34:28] in that four six 8% increases. Now on
each one of the people um you have front
[34:35] foot, you have rear foot, you have um
residential, you have excess residential
[34:40] farmland, you got this, this this, you
have more for one neighborhood, one
[34:44] parcel, you may have six or eight lines
within that. That's all calculated. So
[34:50] it's a bunch of maths and the computer
doesn't
[34:54] do it 100% for you. You have to go in
and manually do it. huge undertaking.
[35:00] But that's a lot of what that part is.
They also do all of the boots in the
[35:04] dirt. They do all of my new
construction. They do all my
[35:07] [clears throat] industrial. I I can say
four employees just by having them do
[35:12] it.
>> And I get that. I think that we have
[35:16] several departments that don't run on
the numbers that the state says they
[35:20] should have to what they do have. Right.
I mean, I think I mean, the jail runs
[35:26] that way. I think I mean unfortunately
we're trying to meet a need of a county
[35:34] that on paper
doesn't match what actually happens here
[35:39] in lots of different departments. I I
but if you look at this you're willing
[35:45] to cut me to three people. You look at
this here yellow numbers that I got.
[35:52] Your three pupil is someone who has
13,000 parcels less than me. 16,000
[35:57] parcels less than me, you know, 18,000
parcels less than me.
[36:03] 18,000 parcels. Come on. Who's going to
do all that?
[36:09] [clears throat]
[36:12] Now, I will tell you that there's a
county to the south of us that they
[36:15] don't have they have one less employee
than me. They have less parcels than me,
[36:19] but they also have their contract doing
more work than me.
[36:24] I I can move it to my contract, but it's
going to still cost.
[36:29] » So, what is the difference between
moving it to a contract,
[36:33] » having them do the do all of the work,
>> right? I'm um $180,000
[36:41] limited that
you know
[36:46] it's still got to come out and then my
reassessment is going to be
[36:50] taxed if we raise it by 180,000 and I'm
only carrying a 2, you know 70
[36:57] balance. It's going to decrease the
reassessment real fast.
[37:02] So can you tell me why your
counterparts, the recorder who has a lot
[37:07] of parcels, the auditor who has a lot of
parcels, how how have they been able to
[37:13] maintain it with with a slimmer okay?
>> When they get their sales, they they do
[37:19] these they put in a transfer, they have
to put it into their system and the new
[37:23] name and everything. Well, we have to
take that, let's just say Kelly split a
[37:27] property in half. I have to then look at
where does that line go, which parcel
[37:33] gets which improvement, which parcel
gets, you know, is there excess
[37:37] frontage? Is there not? There's a lot
more that goes into this. We also have
[37:42] to then look at the land. We have to
validate the sales. Validation of a sale
[37:47] means we have to look it up on the on
the MLS. We have to look make sure, do
[37:51] we have it assessed correctly? MLS's are
one opportunity to see a picture. We can
[37:56] then dig into it. A validation of a
sample can take 15 minutes per parcel.
[38:02] [snorts]
You know, I then have my land girl who's
[38:06] also working on this. Every single one
of these parcels having to figure out
[38:10] where does that improvement go. You
know, how is this going to affect them?
[38:14] They only have to put in. It's no longer
Joe that owns it. Now it's Fred.
[38:19] » I beg to differ. There's a whole lot
more in my Don't bring
[38:22] » No, I'm just saying that goes into
>> It's not a pissing match. I'm sorry.
[38:26] It's just we got six steps we got to do.
>> Just don't say that. We don't work with
[38:31] three people back there.
>> Three people doing that technically,
[38:35] too, because the other one does the
other stuff with deductions. And there's
[38:39] a whole lot more that goes into that
than just changing a name,
[38:42] » right?
>> So, that's all.
[38:43] » And we've got the deductions, too. You
know, the deductions come from us.
[38:47] » Exemptions.
deductions or audits or exemptions are
[38:52] two different things.
>> There's just a lot more steps that are
[38:56] involved to get it the accuracy of an
assessment
[39:01] versus making sure that the right person
is getting their tax bills.
[39:07] There is sketches that are required on
Tony's side so that he's got it
[39:11] correctly sketched so we can accurately
measure it.
[39:17] That's what that what that third page
was with all of the different things we
[39:22] have to do and the amount of work that
we have to do.
[39:27] We're not just [clears throat]
oh hey you're gonna mail form 11s and
[39:30] answer a few
you know even the appeals getting the
[39:35] appeals to me we have to data enter all
of those then we have to have to work on
[39:39] them when you're working on an appeal
I'm having the rent sales ratios and
[39:43] comparables and we're talking to the
people you know we can work on on any
[39:47] one appeal anywhere from 45 minutes to
an hour and then call well if you get
[39:51] someone who has no idea what's going on
you're then explaining your whole
[39:56] process your property tax letter, your
your assessed values, how you get to it.
[40:00] You can be on the phone for another
hour. So, each appeal can take an hour
[40:03] and a half to two hours. And then you
email them here, I just need your
[40:08] signature. And they don't sign it. And
you have to circle back over, circle
[40:13] back around,
and then invite them to a hearing like
[40:17] they don't attend.
>> Yeah. I mean that is the nature of
[40:22] working with people today unfortunately
that they don't follow through on what
[40:26] you ask them to do.
>> We now have deeds that come in as e
[40:29] files. You know not only do we have the
e files but we also have paper that also
[40:33] goes to count's office. So I mean
there's you remember when I said 4,000 e
[40:37] files plus another 1700 in paper that
comes across. Now the e file does save
[40:42] us paper. You no longer have to print a
lot of things. So, we are doing a lot
[40:47] more digitally where we're having it up
on the screen and there's not a bunch of
[40:51] stuff laying all over, you know, our
counters, but
[40:55] it's just a lot of work to process.
[41:01] Overview 30,000 foot everything I'm
hearing. Don't mean to interrupt if you
[41:04] have more to say, but just as we've
worked with
[41:10] pressures exerted on county government
and growth in certain departments
[41:15] over the years, we've worked with and
liaison with department heads to say
[41:21] between technology investment that we're
doing and [clears throat] just flat out
[41:27] u looking at efficiencies and
restructuring, are there opportunities
[41:32] within And when I'm saying you, but
everybody we've we've said this like RJ
[41:37] with the sheriff's department
restructured, [clears throat] highway
[41:40] department restructured. They come in
with requests for more help and they
[41:43] they find a way to restructure who does
what duties to be more efficient. And so
[41:49] I think the ask here was um because of
the investment in the technology and
[41:55] because the auditor's office was able to
do that and other offices have been able
[41:59] to give back positions. you know, the
more positions we give back, it's a
[42:03] fixed pool, the more we can do take care
of for people. And so, if there's any
[42:07] topheavy or potential to restructure
duties and assign, you know,
[42:11] responsibilities and that kind of thing,
especially when the turnover attrition
[42:16] [clears throat] would happen, that's
time to let's get together and talk and
[42:20] and you know, you've been doing this for
a very long time. You know, your office,
[42:25] you know what needs to be done in there.
Um
[42:28] but creative thinking has provided us
with some solutions from other
[42:32] departments. So I think the ask was just
is that possible within your department.
[42:36] » It is just very difficult with the
amount of work that everybody is already
[42:42] doing.
You're also gearing up for
[42:46] um me retiring and another gal retiring
and we're probably going to go boom
[42:51] boom. you know, I got to get someone
skilled and ready to at least
[42:56] [clears throat] step in to cover some of
this, you know. Um, so there's going to
[43:02] be changes in the next four years going
on in that office. Now, I know, you
[43:06] know, you talked to me last year about
it. It's just really difficult to say,
[43:09] "Hey, you want to come in and work
[clears throat] part-time?" when they
[43:12] don't even understand anything about
county government or how the property
[43:15] tax systems work. Um, you got someone
who wants to work for four hours. Well,
[43:21] they're going to go home and sleep,
forget what they just learned. It's very
[43:24] difficult. You have to be immersed in
it. You have to be thrown into the fire.
[43:28] You know, it's just really difficult.
>> So, that's [clears throat]
[43:34] why I wanted to have the conversation
because there's, you know, there's some
[43:38] unexpended funds in part-time. Um, we're
just looking for everywhere that we can
[43:42] we can help general out without hurting
what we're getting done, you know, and
[43:47] so if we're all working as could get
loud here, sorry, just um we're all
[43:52] working as efficiently in our
departments as we can and and that means
[43:56] not just productivity, but it also means
you as the leader thinking about
[44:01] thinking about structure all the time
and we all have to do that in our
[44:04] business and a lot of our departments
have done that. Um, so we're just asking
[44:08] for help there if there's any, you know,
way to consider that.
[44:12] » Ruth,
>> and just for clarification,
[44:15] um, you kind of threw out, I'm not
holding you to the $180,000
[44:20] that it might cost us additionally if we
were to outsource more of the
[44:27] the things that the people in your
department do.
[44:31] How many people would that cut out if we
went I'm just saying you know especially
[44:37] if what they I just went by what their
contract is versus my contract the
[44:41] difference in their contract per perc
parcel we replace one person for that
[44:49] I'm just just trying to you know look at
the you know the balancing scale if it
[44:53] would cost us $180,000 but if it would
cut four people out of her budget then
[44:58] » Oh yeah we're talking
Yeah.
[45:03] Yeah.
Yeah. So, there's no golden answer.
[45:10] Well, we have time for final adoption.
And as I continue to talk to you,
[45:19] the timing just sometimes these meetings
didn't work out for like you were here
[45:22] last week and was here last week. So, we
have time for more conversations.
[45:29] I guess I would be kind of curious to
know, you know, if with the thought of
[45:35] you maybe two people retiring from your
office, what would the exact dollar
[45:40] figure be to outsource more, you know,
like all our GIS, we outsourced that and
[45:45] and that became a better value to us as
a county? I don't know. But yeah, I'd
[45:50] love to see the figures
[45:55] and I know it's going to take some time
and I'm not asking for an immediate
[45:58] answer. You want me to have my contract
remended?
[46:01] » We just wor by who you already have
doing part of it
[46:08] » for them to do more of what would that
dollar figure be and how many people
[46:13] would that cut out of your budget.
>> That makes sense.
[46:20] » When do you plan to retire? Not to put
you on the spot. Do you have
[46:23] » for another four years?
So, and if I retire, it's going to be at
[46:28] least three.
[46:32] » Got to get that golden number 60.
[laughter]
[46:41] » I've already got I've already got my
replacement trained. She's ready. I just
[46:44] got to get my knowledge dumped into her.
I got to find someone to take her
[46:50] knowledge, which is Jessica. She does
the most work with the lamp. She's got a
[46:55] lot of knowledge that I need to find
someone skilled and capable to do it and
[47:00] it's not something the contract can do.
>> Okay.
[47:06] » Thank you. Does anybody have any
questions?
[47:11] » Okay.
>> Thank you very much. [clears throat]
[47:19] Uh the next touch point on
[47:28] sheriff's department. I think we voted
on
[47:33] jail position the one
dispatch position. So the jail in the
[47:40] courthouse
[47:45] and then the sheriff pay was voted on.
[47:51] So I'm assuming that's the
number and then if we do something with
[47:56] wages it's outside it's not touched by
a separate discussion.
[48:02] » We never we decided to make that a
separate discussion. It's my
[48:05] understanding that someone get that base
point that we put it to would or would
[48:10] not be touched by the overall race.
>> Yeah. So, we're just trying to blow the
[48:15] cobwebs off from here. Yeah.
>> And we accomplished.
[48:21] » Oh, and then commissioner's assistant
position
[48:26] um split and auditors,
[48:31] part-time HR assistant, and HR still
commissioners. I think those were the
[48:37] highlights. I think that's all sorted
out. Is that right?
[48:41] » I felt like we went back status quo how
it was. The only thing I remember
[48:45] changing under the commissioners is that
we pulled out of plan that field that
[48:52] code enforcement
and put it in the commissioner.
[48:55] » Y
[49:00] okay. And then um there's talk about
airport cash burn.
[49:07] I reached out and Dennis and Karen are
trying to set up a time we can meet and
[49:14] we can talk about everything just
because I'm not
[49:18] » as versed as you are on what
>> um like could it be because we've had so
[49:24] many county matches. I don't even know
if that even comes into play with what
[49:27] the cash burn is or where that comes out
of.
[49:30] » Yeah.
>> Um but we've had a lot of that going on
[49:32] this year with all the projects that
we've had. But I looked at the balances
[49:37] on the fund thing and it kind of goes up
and down. So I don't know when the TSA
[49:43] hanger people pay their lease and when
that comes in and I got to get more into
[49:48] it. I'm gonna I'm gonna dig into it and
get some answers.
[49:52] » We just want to make sure they have a
substantive plan going forward. And I
[49:55] think
>> seems like every year with their budget
[49:57] they say they give money back to the
county. So, I'm not sure how that is
[50:01] different than like a cash balance that
they're holding. Like, they're not going
[50:06] over budget
and they're actually giving money back
[50:09] from what their budget is. So, I I got
to understand
[50:14] fuel cells. She said goes into general,
>> right?
[50:18] » I don't know. I gota find I got to do
some digging. So, I
[50:22] » remember when we did that first initial
big fuel purchase, remember that we
[50:26] gifted the money? Yeah.
Um, I think it'd be a good idea
[50:32] because, you know, we're so deep into
what our actual budget situation is
[50:36] right now, we're comfortable with where
they're at for this year. We're talking
[50:40] about sustainability that we just give
them on an agenda when we all have time
[50:44] to look at it first, their regular
monthly meeting. Does that sound okay?
[50:49] [clears throat]
Open communication with him.
[50:56] I would love that.
So, yeah, you got a note there.
[51:06] All right. Uh, any other touch points
before we just talk again about our
[51:13] wages? We'll get what parents got here
for us.
[51:19] Wages and longevity discussion. So is
there anything else that
[51:25] you want to think over bigger items that
we just we like to even though we've
[51:30] voted on those things like to make sure
you don't if they're major change
[51:34] whether given up health insurance those
kinds of things I like to talk about
[51:39] them every single time we're together
until
[51:43] » I do want to tell you that Aaron got me
an answer from Don that we did have the
[51:49] right to take away the stipens and the
the state employee places as long as
[51:54] they haven't been sworn in yet. So
everything that we did there with the
[51:59] judge and the prosecutor and all of that
is co is on the up and up and we're not
[52:06] exposing ourselves to anything. Thank
you Erin.
[52:10] » Did we read magistrate because
technically sworn in so
[52:13] » I had you pulled magistrate
>> but he's Yeah, we pulled magistrate but
[52:17] he's not an elected position.
>> Correct. But he is appointed and he has
[52:20] been sworn in. And I just received
another email from Don when I was gone.
[52:24] I said so they cannot remove the judge
Jers or magistrate Burns and he goes
[52:29] that is correct. Oh, so we need to put
that. I ap that wasn't in the limit.
[52:33] » Yeah. I wanted
this.
[52:36] » Okay. So that has to be readded in
general.
[52:43] Magistrate is what's their location
number?
[52:47] » Thank you. Last one. Yeah.
[53:02] Like one of the last ones.
[53:08] So in
that
[53:12] » Yeah. One 091
that 5,000 has to come back.
[53:49] I'm good.
Way to I know that um that probably will
[53:54] come in front of us
>> when
[53:58] that position when he retires and it
changes.
[54:04] How will that timing work for us when
that new appointment happens?
[54:10] » That's a good question. So, his
actually, and Tracy, correct me if I'm
[54:15] wrong, his is not paid through the
state. His is paid through payroll every
[54:19] year. So, his is a little bit different.
So, I would assume that it could be
[54:23] discussed at that point in time.
>> So, as soon as we know that Magistrate
[54:28] Burns is retiring, we need to put it on
our agenda.
[54:34] Because since he's not an elected
official, we could have that
[54:36] conversation midstream.
>> Avoid a new appointee happen before
[54:42] somebody else is appointed and sworn in.
>> Thank you. I was just curious how that
[54:48] was going to work.
[54:54] Okay.
[54:59] [clears throat]
[55:02] Uh, I think we left it at
a mockup proposal on a longevity
[55:10] structure and a wage increase. Darren,
do you have
[55:17] » Yeah. So, I essentially gave that to you
um last week. a little bit
[55:21] discombobulated today,
but um we put in a maximum of $150,000
[55:31] um of course this is kind of like a
moving target sort of thing um based on
[55:35] turnover and everything. So you wanted
to do $100 per year starting after year
[55:42] three. So that is how I calculated it.
Um I'm also using on my spreadsheets um
[55:51] 123126
as the calculation date. And so
[55:54] essentially in 2027
it'd be paid it'd be paid kind of in a
[56:01] rear sort of thing. So that way we're
not working off the anniversary dates
[56:04] and making it complicated. And then if
you're wanting to pay it out at the end
[56:09] of the year, like the first pay in
December, as long as the person is still
[56:13] employed within that pay period that
gets paid out, that first pay in
[56:18] December, they would get their
longevity. It would not be prorated,
[56:21] anything like that. So,
yeah, I was talking to a couple
[56:26] different HR directors on how they
structure their longevity programs, and
[56:31] there's a lot of different ways to do
it, but um this seems to be the easiest.
[56:36] Talk to Tracy as well because we can't
do separate payrolls. So, it would just
[56:42] be a bonus added to the first pay,
whatever you guys,
[56:47] » right? It can't be its own check. It
would be rolled into
[56:53] Correct.
>> And you would have that cap
[56:58] the cap. It's a $2,000 cap. Yeah.
[clears throat] So, with everything that
[57:05] I have calculated right now, it comes
out to 137,400.
[57:15] » Every single year after three, four
years completion,
[57:19] » $100 per year.
Yes,
[57:28] » we looking to do this as well and give
me
[57:32] cost living increase as well.
>> That's what we're talking about.
[57:36] » Okay.
>> Um
[57:38] there might be different priorities
amongst us. Um
[57:43] my my priority
would be to institute this and then talk
[57:49] about what we can afford cost of living
because cost of living is it doesn't
[57:53] happen every year in the free market
world you just automatically get for
[58:00] cost of living. It is a little bit of a
geopolitical football what numbers
[58:03] you're looking at because you know we go
to war with Iran gas prices for them
[58:08] that can go away just different things
happen. So typically
[58:13] they'll look back at other other
governmental data will look back and how
[58:19] many quarters didn't look back on
establish the trend in inflation instead
[58:24] of just a cost of you know cost of
living right now today is this much more
[58:29] same time last year or whatever and I
think trending is a much more stable way
[58:33] to look at it. Um co is co was an
obvious example kind of a spike that you
[58:39] could have you know that would skew
things. Um so [clears throat] more like
[58:44] the sustained inflation rate kind of a
conversation.
[58:49] I don't want to get into the trap we got
into the last time where we then baked
[58:54] longevity into pay to that was our way
of giving raises that year and really
[58:58] skewed things exponentially distorted by
percentage over the future years. So,
[59:04] um, you know, for discussion is is it
$100? Is it is it the $2,000 cap? You
[59:11] know, all of those points that we
touched on the other day. Um, you know,
[59:15] $2,000 caps. Someone's been there.
You have a few if you go down through
[59:20] that list that have been there more than
20 years. Quite a bit.
[59:24] » I was looking.
>> Yeah. You know, do you not keep
[59:26] increasing that for them? How many how
many of them is it really? Like what
[59:30] would it cost you to do that? You got
some 37 34 38 37 bless with a lot of
[59:37] longtime timers but it's overall how
many numbers is that
[59:41] » then per is also growing all those years
too.
[59:44] » Right. Right. So those are the
discussion points.
[59:49] Um I like I like what we've got here for
a base but if anybody wants to remember
[59:53] any tweaks to those now it's time to do
it.
[59:58] I know you just kind of overviewed that,
but I was just thinking about so what if
[1:00:05] and it's things aren't going to stay the
same, employees aren't going to stay the
[1:00:09] same, but hypothetically if the same
people were working next year, how much
[1:00:14] more would it be? You know, because
every year it's going to get bigger and
[1:00:18] bigger.
[1:00:22] » I guess what I was thinking
>> and you got to add benefits. figure out
[1:00:25] taxes and benefit costs,
>> right? So, I I didn't know if there was
[1:00:28] a way to project
>> 271
[1:00:33] employees and if they all stayed and
they were at that three year
[1:00:38] » getting a year, I mean, yeah, not all of
them are there yet obviously and you're
[1:00:43] going to have that turnover. So, it's
going to be,
[1:00:46] » you know, rough estimates.
>> Okay.
[1:00:50] It could increase with tax and benefits
30,000 a year. You got to have some
[1:00:55] turnover. So,
[1:01:00] » it's a good question.
>> I think I'd like council to specify
[1:01:05] whether or not you want elected
officials rolled into that. There's some
[1:01:08] counties that do, some counties that
don't. Um I think on the county general
[1:01:14] um budget projection spreadsheet that
annexported we did calculate in the
[1:01:19] 150,000 and put on top of that. So
that's all rolled into that
[1:01:26] we did that on Friday.
>> Right now your I'm sorry
[1:01:31] » no
>> your sheet doesn't have elected
[1:01:33] officials.
>> It does. Yeah it's the hot pink ones.
[1:01:36] » Yeah.
Oh, that's why I'm not seeing the
[1:01:40] [laughter]
>> You can barely see the ink inside of
[1:01:43] that color.
>> So, right now, they are factored into
[1:01:46] that cuz I wasn't going to rip them
without somebody telling me to.
[1:01:58] It's kind of weird
[1:02:02] position that's up there, right?
>> Yeah.
[1:02:05] » I don't think I should be
>> the council should be exempt from
[1:02:10] [clears throat]
>> pull the elected officials out of this.
[1:02:11] » Well, pull all elected officials.
>> I think so.
[1:02:15] » Would you allow their years to just not
count at all if they go back? Like if
[1:02:21] you had
[1:02:25] » Yeah, like R.J. Thank you.
>> Well, whatever else we did,
[1:02:28] » you not get those if you use an elected
official.
[1:02:32] » You would have to word your policy the
way you want it to work. So, I have a
[1:02:37] draft policy here that is used in
another county where if a current
[1:02:42] employee is elected, then that person
would get their longevity pay and then
[1:02:47] they would not get any more when they're
an elected official. However, if they
[1:02:51] drop back down to regular employee, then
those years as an elected official would
[1:02:55] count. So then their longevity would
start again.
[1:02:58] » They just wouldn't get paid during that
time that their years of service would
[1:03:01] count to towards the overall if they
came back and stayed inside.
[1:03:06] » And it's all about how we were that
policy.
[1:03:08] » I think that sounds I like that.
>> I do too.
[1:03:14] » Again, we're not like we're just talking
about this. So it's not like we're not
[1:03:17] saying the defense aren't getting
anything. It's just applies to this.
[1:03:21] » We're just talking about longevity at
the moment.
[1:03:24] » Well, I like it all started. I'd say
take council out of it. Anybody like
[1:03:29] like that or dislike that?
>> Do you need a motion?
[1:03:33] » Not if we all kind of agree, right?
>> Anybody feel differently about that?
[1:03:38] » I don't feel differently about that. I
>> I think council should be taken out.
[1:03:47] » [clears throat]
>> I
[1:03:51] elected officials. We are elected.
[1:03:55] » We should come.
>> Well, if we take question Yeah. We're
[1:04:00] not just taking council out, but as of
right now, the other elected officials
[1:04:04] are
>> I I like the policy as presented that
[1:04:10] you don't get it while you're an elected
official, but yours is service count.
[1:04:14] » I agree with that.
[1:04:20] » Where [clears throat] was that from,
Eric? help
[1:04:35] their seniority would stay when they
came back as a county.
[1:04:38] » Yeah. After so
[1:04:43] a perfect example
as an elected he's not going to lose his
[1:04:48] years. It just would have been if this
was established while he was a sheriff,
[1:04:52] you would not have gotten it while he
was at the elected official rate.
[1:04:57] » But then when I see like if you started
and you worked for 10 years and then
[1:05:04] became elected official, are you getting
it while you're elected official?
[1:05:08] » No.
>> Okay. They would not get it. It was you
[1:05:12] would just get paid out on that before
they take office and then they would be
[1:05:16] the elected official. So they would no
longer get the longevity. But if they
[1:05:19] went back down to a normal employee, you
know, as a chief deputy or something
[1:05:23] like that after
>> RJ
[1:05:26] [laughter]
[1:05:32] [laughter]
[1:05:36] just get paid and then Yeah, that makes
sense, right?
[1:05:43] » [clears throat]
>> on this one.
[1:05:46] It is tough.
>> It's a great problem to have elected
[1:05:50] officials.
>> Well, that were employees before they
[1:05:52] were elected officials. That's what's
tripping me right now.
[1:05:58] Be different if they didn't work for the
county and then all of a sudden they're
[1:06:01] elected. But they worked for the county
10 years and then were
[1:06:07] I don't know.
But they got maybe some of them got a
[1:06:11] longevity pay during that time when we
still had longevity pay.
[1:06:15] » Yeah, true.
[laughter] I'm sorry.
[1:06:35] » Jump over to percentage increase and
then we can kind of marry the totals
[1:06:38] together.
[1:06:47] I think if we're going with longevity
pay, I'm comfortable with two or two and
[1:06:52] a half% increase in pay for cost of
living.
[1:07:02] I I like that idea.
[1:07:12] It was more than enough then I
[laughter]
[1:07:17] 3% but
>> and I'm I'm toying in my mind.
[1:07:23] » It better be two and a half and I guess
I like that.
[1:07:32] like for I'd like for the sake of future
thinking longer term on that end like so
[1:07:38] 2% that was a $900,000
bump. This is just like compound
[1:07:44] interest, right? If the structure stays
this way and we do a percentage increase
[1:07:48] every year ago that 900,000 is going to
become 1.2 million next year, it's going
[1:07:52] to become 1.7 million the next year.
It's not sustainable
[1:07:57] um on that end of things, I don't think.
And maybe not while we're in council,
[1:08:01] but in seven, eight years, that number
is chewing.
[1:08:03] » Depends on our growth that we get those
years though, too.
[1:08:06] » There's some of that um [snorts]
>> or if it went to more of a
[1:08:12] a pot that was given out where it wasn't
necessarily us deciding it like, hey,
[1:08:17] there's whatever we they said it's
$900,000. We're like, there's a $900,000
[1:08:20] pot. I don't know you throw this and use
some back department heads so they can
[1:08:25] decide for their departments
kind of a thing where it's not
[1:08:29] necessarily a guaranteed thing. You got
to work for a little bit.
[1:08:33] » We went down that road with Tony.
>> Did you? I've heard I've heard
[1:08:38] » we went down that road.
>> Aaron there was some discrepancy about
[1:08:43] the others outside of general. We know
the hard number. So, um I don't know if
[1:08:49] you've heard about the difficulties we
had for Ann and I could not get into Lao
[1:08:53] um yesterday and then I had a viewing
this morning I had to go to. So, I have
[1:08:58] not finished all of the special funds.
Um I was working on them so I don't have
[1:09:03] a hard number to to give you today with
all that. Um, I was working on my
[1:09:08] spreadsheet a little bit, but we thought
that it was probably a better method to
[1:09:12] go ahead and do it through budget
projection, export it to Excel, and then
[1:09:16] have those exact numbers for you. And
that's kind of where we're at right now.
[1:09:23] » The way we left it [clears throat]
>> because I got general done and that
[1:09:27] looks like, and Ann, correct me if I'm
wrong, was about $470,000
[1:09:31] increase.
And then I got seedant done in um I
[1:09:37] think it was 12:22
um 12:36 1235 and some of the health
[1:09:44] department funds done before I left this
morning.
[1:09:49] » We're still working on that. So the
spreadsheet you had generated of course
[1:09:53] last week had the increase in general to
get a 2% at 21,694
[1:10:01] and you just said 470
>> that and that was with all of your
[1:10:05] changes that you moved everything
around. So that had all the changes that
[1:10:09] Ann made in budget projection.
>> Yeah. Doesn't it include longevity too?
[1:10:14] » And it includes longevity
>> or sorry. Okay.
[1:10:17] » Yes. So aside from that,
>> yeah,
[1:10:20] » longevity,
>> it includes longevity, the FICA on
[1:10:23] longevity as well. Perfect. It includes
everything. So that is like your general
[1:10:28] number.
>> So what is that general number with all
[1:10:33] of our changes just in general instead
of being the 21.2
[1:10:38] that was initially in here we started
with? What does it make it now? What is
[1:10:42] that number now? The new the new total
requested budget for 2027
[1:10:51] just general
>> 19 million7
[1:10:56] 450 263 I said 41
752 so 19750
[1:11:04] 263
>> 263
[1:11:09] and that was we never talked about
actually the potential of them
[1:11:14] the
financial services and the excise from
[1:11:21] from our
sorry my brain is not working from our
[1:11:26] levy to general right we didn't we moved
that would have increased it that
[1:11:32] 154,000 and whatever that we discussed
>> yeah we never we didn't talk about that
[1:11:38] right I just want to make sure I'm right
Yeah.
[1:11:44] » So, we come back to this.
[1:11:51] We decided that we were going to use
Peter's number
[1:11:56] [clears throat] of the 20 million.
[1:12:03] [clears throat]
So, so you're saying with the longevity
[1:12:09] and with the 2 and 12%
you came up with the 19.7. So we got
[1:12:15] with our cuts and 2%
[1:12:22] » I thought that was the direction that
was given
[1:12:31] » actually after the general the first
time
[1:12:35] [laughter]
I have
[1:12:45] » [laughter]
>> That has that has never happened.
[1:12:54] » Holy smokes.
Maybe it was worth making myself sick.
[1:13:04] I came up with
some kind of dizzy pod today. [laughter]
[1:13:11] So with the raises and with the logic,
we're still under29.
[1:13:17] That's the difference between Peter
Franklin and the number Ian just gave
[1:13:21] us. I came up with $924,329.
That's exactly what I came up with.
[1:13:30] » 3%.
[1:13:38] » [clears throat]
>> Now it increased by like 275,000
[1:13:41] or whatever.
>> I'm going to go [clears throat] back to
[1:13:45] retract my statement when I said
officials.
[1:13:51] » You're sorry. That's right. because
there's room.
[1:13:57] » I retract my thought on I said I was
kind of twisted on whether we elected
[1:14:02] officials or not
[1:14:07] one of those little bit weird things but
there's different scenarios within each
[1:14:12] of those that we just brought up that
are making me think
[1:14:17] we should leave it alone. So we elected
in other than council. That's what your
[1:14:22] thought.
>> That's what I'm thinking. Well, we can
[1:14:25] council hasn't taken a raise 28 years
and we voted not to take a raise. We did
[1:14:28] leave council too, but
>> that's only going to touch a few
[1:14:38] totally throwing the curveball. Do you
let cune burn as much as we were to let
[1:14:41] it burn since there's room?
We were we left how many plays burning
[1:14:50] because we thought we had to,
>> right?
[1:14:53] The last few years it was.
So yeah, that's
[1:15:04] » I didn't I didn't think we would get
that that number. I didn't think
[1:15:10] » we had things we could move back from
to last
[1:15:16] » way over budget
and we're going to just let it burn. we
[1:15:22] were going we made the decision to burn
and
[1:15:24] » because we think we
>> and several different accounts because
[1:15:27] we thought the general was general was
burning and now
[1:15:32] » I don't want to go through all that
again but my initial thought was
[1:15:37] my first thought of how much we would
[1:15:43] » well you can see how this all plays out
>> that's true
[1:15:48] » I've got 350 355,000 of revenue
[1:15:53] Thank you.
>> Thank you. Yeah. Know what was that?
[1:16:04] [clears throat]
>> There's there's a lot of levers there.
[1:16:07] We talk about tax rate. We talk about we
talk about next year position a lot of
[1:16:13] stuff. you know,
[1:16:22] in Newton health. I don't think it still
would get us where Chip wanted to be
[1:16:28] for that other discussion.
>> Oh, you were talking about
[1:16:31] » bridge bridge and braids and all that.
So,
[1:16:36] I
>> mean, it's
[1:16:38] jeez
that can all be a conversation for next
[1:16:42] year. That's okay.
>> We can budget one more time right now.
[1:16:48] » [laughter]
[1:16:51] [clears throat]
[1:16:59] » You think that
[1:17:03] » you think that we can't write the ship
by next year?
[1:17:10] [clears throat]
>> Doing just
[1:17:14] back.
We don't know. We don't know nothing.
[1:17:18] » We don't know.
>> That's a problem.
[1:17:21] » They're gonna show up in January and
maybe flip the whole thing on its head.
[1:17:26] » Okay with that. And we want to do that
because this is the first year that
[1:17:30] we're going to have general without that
art money back in.
[1:17:34] So, so we're missing that
[clears throat] million, right? which is
[1:17:38] about where we're at where if it rears
its ugly head, we've left ourselves
[1:17:44] enough room, right, that we don't end up
in a bad place,
[1:17:47] » right?
[1:17:51] » A couple places not in trouble, right?
Set them up there.
[1:17:57] » I think we decided to
state 9116
[1:18:08] bridge.
>> We're burning some
[1:18:14] 1224.
[1:18:17] » We're going to burn all of 1161.
>> Yeah.
[1:18:23] » So maybe it's better to leave it where
it is and and see what this looks like
[1:18:28] » because in 2028 we're going to be in the
same because general is going to be
[1:18:32] looking down the barrel of absorbing
some of those things.
[1:18:38] coming into there.
>> Well, they can't go they can't go
[1:18:40] anywhere else.
[1:18:45] [clears throat]
>> They probably haven't had time, but
[1:18:46] another big piece of this is that law
library piece.
[1:18:52] » Yeah, because it's still in both. And
we're trying to decide if we could
[1:18:56] allocate. But did we both didn't have
anybody, right?
[1:19:01] He he was not in
>> we talked about 20% of the positions or
[1:19:05] something like that.
>> Yeah.
[1:19:07] » Yeah. There's nobody utilizing it.
>> The public defender office gets their
[1:19:12] legal research and AI tool for $90 per
month and that includes two users and
[1:19:16] that's through the Indiana public
defender commission. Um, from what I
[1:19:20] understand, and I don't know how the
contract is for the law library here,
[1:19:25] but what I understand is on the private
side of things, and Christina, you
[1:19:29] probably know this, it's closer to $450
a month for one user if a private
[1:19:34] attorney gets it. So, I took 135,000
divided by 450ID by 12 equals 25 users.
[1:19:42] Now, is that how our contract is
figured? I have no idea.
[1:19:47] So, you know, that's where I think some
research needs to be done on how the
[1:19:52] contract is structured with the courts
and if it is by users or if it's by a
[1:19:56] different method. But currently, the PD
office has their own and that is being
[1:20:01] applied to their reimbursement.
[1:20:07] » All right. And [clears throat] and when
we talk about 135,
[1:20:12] » it's they didn't you're telling us that
that could go from 300,000. You're
[1:20:18] talking about in 1138
in 4,000
[1:20:25] 40015.
That's where you're saying that 350
[1:20:30] reduced by 135.
>> I'm not saying we want to reduce it by
[1:20:35] 135. I'm saying that it's always been
out of there. We also did
[1:20:41] some additional appropriations for
[1:20:46] um
[1:20:50] when you say built in both places,
that's the line item that's a single
[1:20:55] line item under the commissioners in
general and
[1:20:58] » that [clears throat] is what it is here
in act and but it's built into that
[1:21:03] correct machine and equipment. I think
it needs its own line item no matter
[1:21:06] what
to be able to keep track of that. But
[1:21:10] one I don't think that there's any
reason to take it out of general right
[1:21:13] now because we did a lot of work
and
[1:21:21] then we spend this next year
understanding what that you know these
[1:21:25] users and what it is and [clears throat]
what could be and
[1:21:40] We're in a good spot.
I I like that this is a little positive
[1:21:45] because we have no we've never we
haven't done the last few years without
[1:21:50] that [clears throat]
crutch inside of general and with that
[1:21:55] crutch being gone and with that kind of
number
[1:22:01] if that crutch mattered
we're going to be fine
[1:22:06] because we did so much work
we've got a we've got room to learn,
[1:22:12] » right? Medical expenses are going to be
so many burials. There's so many there.
[1:22:30] They're
smiling.
[1:22:32] » I have I just have never seen it look
like that since I've been elected.
[1:22:43] » Ready for motion
[1:22:50] » for a motion on
[1:22:59] second or what? You're
[1:23:06] » Did we decide what's going to happen on
longevity and elected officials?
[1:23:12] » Is that decided yet?
>> Council out.
[1:23:16] » Yeah. Okay. We decided council out.
>> Vote on that one.
[1:23:19] » No, I don't want you. I think we all
agreed on council out.
[1:23:25] But even [clears throat]
[1:23:30] your commissioners and your council if
you're going to give I mean this is not
[1:23:34] me I'm not in that number but I think
the amount of wisdom that is brought to
[1:23:42] officials being here and and the
what you guys bring is very very
[1:23:50] valuable heck of a lot more valuable
than I was my first few years where I
[1:23:55] wanted to talk about every $50. Do you
know what I mean? You guys understood
[1:24:01] the nature of how why things happen or
this or that. It's my opinion that
[1:24:08] you weren't dead.
I
[1:24:11] » I say if we're going to leave elected
officials, they got to just do it right
[1:24:14] straight across the board. That's my
opinion. It's not that big a deal for
[1:24:18] the council. I mean,
>> we want to donate the money to whatever
[1:24:22] we can. That's what we do.
>> I mean, seriously,
[1:24:26] » I mean, in this council, I mean,
>> I think it ought to be equal.
[1:24:30] » Yeah.
>> I think I think we should go all the way
[1:24:34] across
>> is my opinion. Do you want us to vote on
[1:24:37] it?
>> I think we should
[1:24:40] I think it would be cleaner if we voted
on that. What's going to do?
[1:24:45] » Then I would make a motion
to put in longevity the way Aaron
[1:24:52] presented
and leave elected officials in.
[1:24:58] Oh, but how does that
that is my motion? [laughter] That is my
[1:25:03] motion. I always want to talk more. I'm
sorry.
[1:25:07] Can I make a suggestion? I know you need
a second, but can you tell which one you
[1:25:12] want the 100? because you had three
different ones to choose from. Oh, can
[1:25:16] you put it in? I support my motion for
your motion.
[1:25:21] » Yeah.
>> I
[1:25:23] make a motion to institute longevity pay
at $100 a year after three years to be
[1:25:31] paid with the first pay in December. Um,
with no pration if you're pration I'm
[1:25:38] not sorry I'm saying that word right. If
you leave with a cap of 200 2,000
[1:25:45] with elect with elected officials in
[1:25:51] the way Aaron presented based on Decal
County. Is that the appropriate way to
[1:25:57] do it?
>> Yeah.
[1:26:01] » Okay. I have to get my second first.
Yeah.
[1:26:07] » Oh, sorry.
[1:26:12] » Christina, Bill
discussion.
[1:26:17] » Council wouldn't get it because they're
elected officials and you don't get it
[1:26:21] right. The way I did it for not giving
it to elected officials while they're in
[1:26:25] office, council would earn the years,
but they would never be paid unless they
[1:26:29] went to a different job. But you just
said leave elected officials.
[1:26:34] » So you kind of mixed them mixed the two
of them there. So
[1:26:38] » So it needs to be clarified.
>> If you want to leave all elected
[1:26:41] officials in. Okay. But then we will not
have that
[1:26:46] that specification in the policy where
if somebody if an employee becomes an
[1:26:51] elected official
then they won't get any more when
[1:26:54] they're elected official but the years
of service. So that is that goes away.
[1:26:59] » Yeah.
We're we're we're in discussion, right?
[1:27:03] » Yes.
[clears throat]
[1:27:05] » We can still have discussion. I could
amend my motion.
[1:27:08] » Yep. Certainly can.
>> Correct.
[1:27:09] » I think you take out errands. You got to
not base it off of
[1:27:15] » Yeah. I mean, I there was a couple
different things that I had said that
[1:27:20] how to figure it and things like that.
Um, but then on the little policy, which
[1:27:25] the policy is going to have to come to
you guys anyway because it goes to the
[1:27:28] commissioners and the first counced,
[1:27:34] but um, we just would leave that section
out about elected officials and we just
[1:27:38] say that elected officials are included
if that's what you're wanting to do.
[1:27:46] » So, I guess it comes down to what do you
guys like better? Do you like that
[1:27:51] elected officials get it or they don't
get it? We, you know, when you talked
[1:27:54] about council and
>> I thought you guys, but if we're not,
[1:27:58] originally we talked about not getting
it if if you'd become an elected
[1:28:02] official. So,
what do you think? Do you think I redo
[1:28:07] my I think I'm going to amend my motion.
>> She had said elected officials. If
[1:28:14] you're giving it to people, okay,
[clears throat] based out of their long
[1:28:17] your years is somewhat kin 12 year
elected official
[1:28:22] and as my other elected official long
for their long wait official come back
[1:28:29] and work for the county. So you take the
last time for their career you could
[1:28:33] take it away from them.
>> I I think it should be elected official.
[1:28:38] I mean, because we have some offices
where the elected official is in term
[1:28:42] limited. Yeah.
>> And then they
[1:28:45] train it out with their first deputy.
>> Yeah.
[1:28:48] » And so only when their first deputy
would they get it, not when they're the
[1:28:52] elected official.
>> And that's
[1:28:55] » so I I think that you could get wages
out of skew within departments
[1:29:00] [clears throat]
>> if you take the elected official out.
[1:29:03] And I also think the motion needs to
discuss
[1:29:07] that the lunch pay is outside of what's
considered towards first deputies
[1:29:13] percentage pay.
>> Oh, true.
[1:29:18] [laughter]
>> Stand alone. You know what I mean? Like
[1:29:20] that.
>> Yeah. I didn't think about that.
[1:29:24] » That's how we got That's why we got rid
of longity pay a few years ago because
[1:29:27] it got so complicated skewed things so
bad. We have to be really careful about
[1:29:31] not listening to details.
>> Yeah. because I I don't want it to
[1:29:35] affect base pay. Yeah. At all.
[clears throat]
[1:29:38] » Yeah. We're looking at this as a public
thing.
[1:29:42] » There's no way to make it stand alone.
It has to go into a payroll.
[1:29:46] » No,
>> that's fine. As long as that
[1:29:48] » No, but I mean I think it's fine as long
as as long as it doesn't become I didn't
[1:29:52] think about that. I don't want it to
become part of
[1:29:55] » nothing else does. She
>> So the motion needs to say that it's
[1:29:58] » so your stipen doesn't
>> no
[1:30:01] » only their base pay
>> makes up the 85%. These motions be that
[1:30:06] this is this is a bonus [clears throat]
outside of
[1:30:14] » outside
of anything
[1:30:20] elected officials in our
>> current motion. You can either die
[1:30:27] » that's what I was trying to decide
whether it was best to die or just do an
[1:30:30] amended motion. Um,
or maybe I shouldn't do it since my
[1:30:35] brain doesn't work. Um, okay. I amend my
motion
[1:30:41] to be a
bonus never to be factored in to base
[1:30:49] pay of $100 a year after year three.
$100 each year thereafter with a cap of
[1:30:57] 2,000
to be paid in the first pay in December
[1:31:02] with no proration if you are no longer
employed at the time first pay of
[1:31:06] December we forfeit it and that it is
for all county employees
[1:31:13] that sound better
[1:31:16] fulltime what about part
[1:31:21] only fulltime and the base
[1:31:33] on that.
[1:31:38] [clears throat]
>> What was that you said? [laughter]
[1:31:42] Sorry, I wasn't listen.
[1:31:55] asked me to repeat that. [laughter]
[1:32:01] [clears throat]
>> I'll try to restate it.
[1:32:04] So, longevity pay
based on $100 per year after three full
[1:32:10] years
paid in the first pay period in
[1:32:14] December. not grow rated. If the
employee leaves
[1:32:20] as a bonus not factored in base pay
to include all county full-time
[1:32:27] employees, including elected officials
with a cap of $2,000, it's $100 per year
[1:32:36] paid every year after two years.
[1:32:45] Okay. Any other discussion?
[1:32:52] Okay. All in favor raise your right
hand.
[1:32:56] 52
[1:33:02] » to no reason
>> only because council is in there you
[1:33:08] know
all these
[1:33:11] saying that it's only the part of the
council and I wasn't going to let it not
[1:33:16] pass [laughter]
[1:33:20] » yeah
[laughter]
[1:33:23] when you nobody made a comment about
[1:33:29] Okay. And then what about uh
the percentage wage increase? We we have
[1:33:34] our total cost. It was it was told to us
our total
[1:33:40] the total cost of $470,000
[1:33:45] with a 2 and 12% wage increase
including what was just voted on
[1:33:50] invivity including the benefits and
taxes associated
[1:33:56] with it.
[1:34:01] So that number's the number
>> county general
[1:34:07] » in county general. Yes. Yeah. That's
that title I have over the header of all
[1:34:11] that they just wrote.
>> Yeah. So it will be
[1:34:15] » some shake out.
>> There'll be more increase in the other.
[1:34:18] Yeah, for sure.
>> There's some big ones in [clears throat]
[1:34:23] » PAP 911.
Yeah. Yeah.
[1:34:27] » EMS.
There's some big ones.
[1:34:30] » There are some
>> I mean
[1:34:46] feel like we did the work to be able to
do what we're
[1:34:53] going to be.
be a much bigger number when you get
[1:34:57] those. Say that one more time.
[1:35:07] » Thanks.
[1:35:18] » Well, we did the work. We cut it down.
It's 100.
[1:35:21] » We can do it 5,000 just
[1:35:28] benefits. So you're probably talking
on the other funds, not general.
[1:35:33] » I think there's a lot more than that
>> based on the 5.2
[1:35:39] 5.2.
>> Those numbers she doesn't think are
[1:35:43] accurate. Oh, that's right.
I would prefer to do what Ann and I are
[1:35:49] doing and I just ran out of time this
morning.
[1:35:52] » Yeah, I forgot that.
>> I mean, we can we can go look through
[1:35:55] the budgets right now and look at those
top five. Those are the big ones.
[1:36:03] » Just get a general number.
[1:36:12] » Said you had that seated, right?
I did it down.
[1:36:21] Everybody
take 12:35.
[1:36:51] the payroll number in here.
[1:37:17] That's over a million dollars
[1:37:22] payable and benefits.
You
[1:37:24] » just want me to find out how much it was
last year.
[1:37:26] » Take the base.
Anybody
[1:37:35] doing
911 yet?
[1:37:39] » No.
[1:37:50] » Just give me just give me the positions,
not the not
[1:37:55] » Oh, just the positions. Okay.
[1:38:01] session.
this year.
[1:38:10] [laughter]
[1:38:13] » Okay, let's do it again.
[1:38:22] using the proposed budget
>> 119
[1:38:26] » that was 911
[1:38:31] 1903
[1:38:36] » 911
[1:38:40] » 1222
[1:38:43] number
>> 119 03 39.
[1:38:51] » I'm doing 1176. Okay.
[1:39:04] » What else do we need, guys?
[1:39:09] » 2,487,779.
[1:39:28] seated.
>> So seated
[1:39:33] like the per
[1:39:37] the difference is $14,71.
Now what was the original? What's the
[1:39:42] amount of wages?
Oh, I just figure as a whole.
[1:39:48] » You just had that one done.
>> So, we have we have what it was, you
[1:39:53] know, without any raises and then we
have the two and a half%.
[1:39:56] » No, I mean 90 the total face without
raises matches.
[1:40:01] » So, it's 160,968.
You just take the
[1:40:07] you take the three wages here at the top
and then down here that's how
[1:40:13] the wages that were moving not taking
the bike or the program. So I came up
[1:40:19] with 160,960s
[1:40:31] in
[1:40:35] » I did not page
>> 1236
[1:40:51] Oh, that has that other
>> million3
[1:40:53] » 1,431,384.
[1:40:58] » Oh, I lied. No, that wasn't everything.
Sorry.
[1:41:02] » Yeah, you don't want
>> 1236. Is that what you want?
[1:41:08] » Okay. So, let's
[1:41:14] start.
[1:41:29] Correct.
[1:41:42] » Give me a new number. temper.
[cough]
[1:41:46] [clears throat]
[1:41:50] You know what I need?
[1:42:28] No overtime and no part.
>> Oh
[1:42:33] Express 90.
>> Yeah2.
[1:42:36] » Yeah. Because we move those positions in
there one
[1:42:39] » one ex
[1:42:45] one two three four positions
[1:42:56] » 1,600,460
in the EMS.
[1:43:00] » No, sorry that's
>> No. Okay. 1,600,463.
[1:43:11] » Yeah, I have over time.
>> Okay. So now
[1:43:15] itself [clears throat]
[1:43:40] 3 million.
[1:43:56] the decimal. Whoa.
[1:44:14] Six.
[1:44:30] It's $100,000.
[1:44:34] wage base wage increase.
[1:44:39] Add 100 to your 70.
The 470 did include benefits and taxes.
[1:45:00] » There's a lot of those
[1:45:05] actually get close to another 200,000
[snorts]
[1:45:15] » become
[1:45:22] cushion.
>> Yeah.
[1:46:04] So the motion is
that we do a 2 and a half%
[1:46:10] wage increase.
I don't need to put any specifics on it,
[1:46:15] right? Just
>> I would say
[1:46:21] we set part-time and salary rent
separately.
[1:46:24] » Okay. Right. True.
>> So talk about full time.
[1:46:27] » Yeah. Full-time employees a 2 and a
half% pay increase.
[1:46:38] my motion.
I wanted to be through that
[1:46:44] again.
[1:46:47] » Thank you.
[1:46:53] » My only thing that I want to make clear
is that we're doing this to base pay,
[1:47:00] right? to everybody's base pay because I
know especially in the sheriff's
[1:47:05] department
or their budget where they have
[1:47:09] corporals and they have things like that
if you allow it to not be on the base
[1:47:14] then you cause a
>> discrepancy
[1:47:18] » discrepancy a faster grow between
positions so mine would be if that piece
[1:47:24] isn't in there I need to know if it's in
base
[1:47:27] » it is in there as B pay yes the devotion
And then the second
[1:47:44] any other discussion
[1:47:48] trying to think if there's any other
clarion
[1:48:00] instructions.
>> Yeah, it's just
[1:48:10] a statement.
[1:48:13] » Oh,
[1:48:17] okay. Then yeah, Lisa just brought up
that include all elected officials.
[1:48:21] » Oh, that's right.
>> Yeah.
[1:48:24] That was we discussed that about
>> already.
[1:48:27] » We already voted on council staying at
the 56,000.
[1:48:32] So that still stands.
>> Clarity without council.
[1:48:35] » Thank you.
>> Got that [clears throat] going.
[1:48:41] » So Ruth amended her motion to all
full-time employees excluding council.
[1:48:48] » Correct.
>> Yes. Yes. Newly elected
[1:48:52] » employees.
>> Yeah. We make sure
[1:48:55] that we discussed that when we was
talking about the sheriff's day fixing
[1:48:59] [snorts] that fixing that.
>> Yeah, I knew it was going to be too
[1:49:03] simple just
>> I was so afraid of that.
[1:49:08] » [laughter]
[1:49:13] » just
>> so does it do do you wish for the motion
[1:49:18] to be also
>> too in the surveyor too
[1:49:23] » excluding newly elected officials
>> they're the only two I think we're
[1:49:28] » well the prosecutor pay isn't actually
in ours
[1:49:31] » and state didn't give any raises so that
position won't see anything that's not
[1:49:36] ours
>> we just got we just
[1:49:40] share a balance sheet are the only
two new
[1:49:45] » elected officials.
[1:49:50] » Well, you're going to have
Isn't the recorder's office changing
[1:49:55] from there?
>> So, she's been
[1:50:00] » Yes. No, I just meant if you were going
to say no,
[1:50:04] » no increase on an elected official
position, newly elected official
[1:50:10] position, it would affect that person.
>> It would affect that office. What if
[1:50:14] it's somebody who's moving back in that
was already I'm not saying she should or
[1:50:18] she shouldn't. I'm just saying that's
another flag to deal with. If we're
[1:50:22] going to be clean, how do you want to
handle it?
[1:50:27] » She's been the elected official before.
That's going to happen in the clerks
[1:50:32] too, isn't that?
>> Yep. And
[1:50:35] » yeah, good touch.
>> So, we just have to
[1:50:39] I say new people elected
position
[1:50:46] and by say new people that just limits
it to the two.
[1:50:51] » So, right
>> when you say new pe well
[1:50:54] » urgently elected people [laughter]
>> that's good.
[1:50:59] No, wait a second. That opens up a whole
new
[1:51:02] » can [laughter]
[1:51:10] experience
>> first.
[1:51:17] Be the cleanest way to put it.
>> Yes, that is what my motion says. That
[1:51:21] was your
>> We're on the same page.
[1:51:26] » You can hold that. [laughter]
[1:51:33] first time.
>> Yes.
[1:51:43] » You're really make me type a lot on the
cell.
[1:51:46] » If we don't get it right, we're just
back.
[1:51:48] » You're gonna go back and answer
[1:51:53] this part.
[1:51:57] that I got.
>> Is there any other gray areas there that
[1:52:04] need covered?
>> Think of everything you can think of.
[1:52:11] doesn't include sip just base pay
[1:52:16] » only based
>> yeah
[1:52:20] nothing I can think of right now
>> until we're done
[1:52:26] » there's always something
[1:52:30] » so remember we'll have some discussion
about absorbing more cost if we want to
[1:52:35] do something on the parttime side as
well
[1:52:40] comes to salary units in December.
[1:52:47] Okay. Any other discussion?
[1:52:52] Those raise right in
your name.
[1:52:58] Four to three. Okay.
[1:53:08] Yeah.
[1:53:15] Okay,
that it's not official till it's
[1:53:18] adopted.
[1:53:21] » Good work everybody. Discussion.
[1:53:29] I know that was a little we don't have
to do
[1:53:34] the second
[1:53:54] answer.
[1:54:02] » [clears throat]
[1:54:06] » It's
partic
[1:54:19] » that just was something I thought about
writing down twice this last weekend and
[1:54:25] Um,
>> it was asked to me about solid budget
[1:54:32] percent increase.
[1:54:54] » [snorts]
>> It was 2.51
[1:55:00] executive%
total
[1:55:08] I'm sorry
[1:55:20] eight and a half% increase.
[1:55:29] » And their budget ended up right, didn't
it?
[1:55:34] » $326.
[1:55:37] » They have
[1:55:44] 8.4%
[1:55:51] income employ this is northeast
district.
[1:55:55] So I mean that's not just on him right
that's on all of those wages increases
[1:55:59] all the way that 22
of those
[1:56:08] how is that wage paid with the split
[1:56:14] they get their own tax rate
[clears throat]
[1:56:21] other counties whether they get the
or the tax rate is the same on the four
[1:56:27] of us. I don't have any idea.
>> I don't believe that the tax rate is the
[1:56:33] same.
>> I don't think it would because our seat
[1:56:36] is so much higher
>> county
[1:56:38] » is a different number county. I don't
know how they determine it.
[1:56:41] » We had that discussion last meeting.
>> Right. My thought process is the total
[1:56:45] and they figure out how much is is it
just divided by four and that's divided
[1:56:48] by or cv to give us I mean that's how
every other rate is set is
[1:56:52] » that's right.
I mean I know we approved it because
[1:56:58] you know
county has it own rate based on its
[1:57:04] assess
>> so each county does not share equally in
[1:57:09] that sten county pays the
largest amount
[1:57:15] » I thought that's what he said yeah we're
the largest not the largest population
[1:57:19] but the largest
>> we look at as a You get to see his
[1:57:23] budget because we have the highest CNF.
>> But you don't think it is however much
[1:57:28] it is divided by four. We each get our
percentage and then divided by our CNF
[1:57:34] to give us our rate. And that's why our
rates are all different.
[1:57:37] » Rates are all different
because of the fact that we have such a
[1:57:42] » high assessed value. So our rate is
probably much lower than anybody else's
[1:57:48] » likely
>> because ours is so high.
[1:57:54] So the wage increases put in here
are eight and a half% executive
[1:58:00] director, 5% on program manager,
education coordinator and office manager
[1:58:06] and mechanic supervisor and then three
and a half% for the operators
[1:58:13] and the parttime increase amount
percentage wise.
[1:58:29] It's 2.3%.
[1:58:35] » That isn't necessarily on
a wage that could be on an hour.
[1:58:46] » That
was included.
[1:58:49] » Yeah, I don't think it was included any
of that. I guess he comes back, right?
[1:58:54] We ask him to come back.
>> So, we can ask him because Kelly said
[1:58:58] that we've been doing the three readings
like we do our general other buttons.
[1:59:03] Three readings will be there. She says
procedurally required to have a second
[1:59:08] third reading.
It's been read but hasn't been adopted
[1:59:12] until we adopt.
if we're going to have a second. We've
[1:59:17] been doing the second third before. So
that would be appropriate time to ask to
[1:59:20] come back.
>> I think we haven't come back to find out
[1:59:23] if they gave raises. I mean I think
>> Yeah. Do we have any history on that?
[1:59:30] » Yeah. What the was there a pay increase
last year?
[1:59:33] » You remember they put in last year?
>> I don't think they did. I think that's
[1:59:37] why they were so high this year.
>> Yeah.
[1:59:40] » They didn't put in for a pay increase
last a year ago. Can you guys double
[1:59:44] check that?
>> I can. I'm going to see him on Friday.
[1:59:47] » Okay. See what he says about that. They
can ask
[2:00:03] » Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they just a
year ago they didn't put in for a pay
[2:00:07] increase for anybody and that's why they
were so
[2:00:12] » they did more this year.
Let me know and we'll discuss that
[2:00:16] again.
I will ask why the percentages.
[2:00:21] » Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[2:00:26] » Okay.
[2:00:33] » HR.
Anything else you guys need us to be
[2:00:38] discerning so that you can
[2:00:43] » I don't think would any of you guys be
able to tell us if we were inside the
[2:00:49] advertised
>> one issue with our advertise
[2:00:53] over advertised
>> with all the changes you're over in lit
[2:00:59] » so 180,000
>> yes
[2:01:03] we got to do something at the January
Yeah.
[2:01:06] » So, we just do an additional January and
let self funds. Okay.
[2:01:10] » Well, so we'll have to do an additional
January.
[2:01:13] » Okay.
>> Okay. There's there's a couple more that
[2:01:17] we'll have to tell you, but that one we
could I talked to Will this morning and
[2:01:22] he was okay with us cutting the 180,000.
>> Um
[2:01:27] » that was on the special projects line.
What was it called?
[2:01:30] » Yeah.
>> Project ready. Um, and then they'll just
[2:01:34] come back after the first beer. It's
easier to do one line to do a whole
[2:01:38] bunch of lines.
>> Oh, yeah. I mean, that's still a lot
[2:01:41] better than what we've done.
>> So, we'll come up with
[2:01:48] » I can let you know what the rest of them
are.
[2:01:52] We're leaving it in general.
>> Yeah. [clears throat]
[2:01:57] Yep.
So, we'll let you know. a couple more,
[2:02:00] but
>> we'll have to let you know what they are
[2:02:02] and what that dollar amount is or
whether or not we have a solution.
[2:02:06] » And as a reminder, our next meeting,
>> we can close this hearing out, but it is
[2:02:14] not on Tuesday, right?
>> No, it's on Monday.
[2:02:18] » Monday at 9.
>> Monday
[2:02:21] on Tuesday
14.
[2:02:26] Yeah.
[2:02:35] So we will have our regular council
meeting and also have on the agenda
[2:02:39] discussion
our budgets again do another reading
[2:02:45] ideally
October [snorts] which would give your
[2:02:48] office plenty of time
>> like November
[2:02:57] And um the salary ordinance won't be
done until October though.
[2:03:01] » Correct.
>> Okay. So should we have discussion in
[2:03:05] our September meeting about the salary
ordinance?
[2:03:08] » Um I will bring to you
>> I don't have a list of the exceptions
[2:03:14] for the part-time wages. That's usually
what I get around for you. Now you can
[2:03:18] discuss right now what you want to set
your part-time wage at and then I'll
[2:03:22] have a list of exceptions for you. I can
get that around for the September
[2:03:26] meeting. There's not that many.
>> I'm okay with just doing it all in
[2:03:31] September meeting. Just put enough time
in the agenda. Does that date work for
[2:03:35] you guys to have time agenda?
>> It does take discussion.
[2:03:40] » Yeah. No, I'm good.
>> I'm good with that.
[2:03:44] » All right. So, we'll do that.
[2:03:52] If nobody can think of anything else in
their stacks,
[2:03:56] I would welcome a motion to adjourn our
budget sessions.
[2:04:01] I'll make a motion to adjourn the budget
session. All right. Second. I'll second
[2:04:19] you all the way to your office.