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10/28/2020
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moved by councillor Stapleton seconded by deputy mayor call the
question
what we do this cancer is gonna lose your first
committee of the whole meeting ... you'll find that are
lower in the chamber of the
the world's procedure a bit more lax ... we don't
yeah we don't necessarily have a motion first to the
base ... and we also don't limit speaking once on
on on the motion
yeah so we just try to have a good discussion
because it forms the basis for the recommendations I called
the council meeting so it's a good opportunity for for
us to have that conversation engaging the staff in that
and for the public to understand the issues that we're
dealing better so
... if you see that things don't work exactly the
same as they do in the chambers that's why we
try to try to keep it more wrap more casual
more interactive
so
yeah
carried
J. minutes
... October fourteenth ... before you moved by councillor Skinner
second by councillor Hickman call the question
I don't have a question
okay here we go
councillor Korab yeah
motions courage
presentation delegations we happen on finance and administration insurance renewal
negotiations
betting or you going to speak that
yeah
you can step up to my concerns you can step
up to the Mike
she said on
okay good morning everybody ... as you know I was
here a week or so ago ... to go over
the insurance renewal and find out how we would proceed
and the coverage expires as you know on October thirty
first at it terms of the renewal plus a new
environmental liability insurance policy that was initially offered and reviewed
council ... consisted of a number of coverages and ...
was the city auto property casualty umbrella user group travel
insurance and environmental the total premium is two million three
oh five nine oh seven and we tax that would
be two million five sixty one one eleven
council agreed at our last meeting that the insurance coverage
terms through a and B. reviewed in detail and that
recommendations for cost savings be made realizing it would involve
the city accepting extra risk coverages to be arranged the
Lloyds with a casualty in excess liability coverage if the
city accepted a self insured retention of to one fifty
thousand the savings would be twenty six thousand five hundred
and if the city accepted a self insured retention of
five hundred thousand the savings would be fifty three thousand
this insurance provides protection for third party claims the cost
savings in my opinion is not considered sufficient and it
is recommended that deductible of a hundred thousand be maintained
next the Ottawa property coverage is through of eva the
city's auto fleet cost savings if the city accepted a
two hundred fifty thousand deductible would be fifty two thousand
four oh two and the St John's transportation commission savings
would be thirty four thousand nine hundred automobile coverage is
a legislative coverage the savings offered pertains to contractor equipment
floater rather than third party liability and is not considered
a sufficient savings versus protection being offered and maintaining the
current coverage and deductible is my opinion and I'm recommending
get to city maintain its current one hundred thousand deductible
property coverage if the city accepted a five hundred thousand
self insured retention the savings would be to thirty eight
eight twenty three this is considered a substantial savings and
since just protects the city owned property the city may
wish to accept this risk for the cost savings offered
there's also excess property coverage offered to protect the city
should anyone occurrence exceed a hundred million in damages the
first access protects the city for an additional one hundred
million for a total of two hundred million for anyone
occurrence in examining city properties most expensive total loss that
may occur would probably be a new with our street
there are multiple city property city all including the parking
garage city hall annex model one and convention center to
toll worth of these properties combined are estimated at one
hundred eighty two million five hundred fifty five thousand one
eighty eight the city could consider accepting just one access
property insurance policy with the principal property policy
offering a total of two hundred million this would save
the city on a sixty thousand in premium for total
savings of three hundred ninety eight thousand eight twenty three
plus tax it is important to note that our insurance
broker area is more comfortable if the city maintains the
second and the third access which would cover the city
for three hundred and fifty million loss per occurrence
the total savings with accepting a five hundred thousand property
self insured retention and just one access property policy as
I said already would be three hundred ninety eight thousand
eight twenty three plus tax at fifty nine thousand eight
twenty three forty five so the total would be four
hundred fifty eight thousand six forty six forty five
the cost for the environmental policy thirty six thousand four
oh four plus tax for a total of forty one
thousand eight sixty four sixty is included in the above
pricing it was agreed at the last meeting that this
coverage is required to maintain coverage now which has been
excluded from the primary commercial general liability policy to tell
of the entire insurance program previously offered was two million
five sixty one one eleven to tell them now with
the recommended five hundred thousand self insured property retention is
one million nine oh seven oh eight for the taxable
amount is one million three out to five thirty seven
and tax is a hundred ninety five thousand three eighty
fifty five for a total of one million four ninety
seven nine seventeen fifty five the auto is not taxable
so the total for auto is six hundred four thousand
five forty seven so for full program told we're looking
at a premium of two million one oh two four
sixty four fifty five and as you know this include
St John's sports and entertainment limited and the St John's
transportation commission
so my recommendation today to council is to approve moving
from a one hundred thousand deductible for its primary property
insurance to a five hundred thousand self insured retention and
purchase just one excess property policy this would result in
a cost savings like I already said three hundred ninety
eight thousand eight twenty three plus tax so the total
savings to the city would be four and fifty eight
thousand six forty six forty five
questions thanks very much bye
any comments questions
government
thank you I have I just have a question I'm
just trying to get some clarity around what the environmental
policy actually covers I don't I don't really understand that
section so just if you could just give a little
bit more detail on what that coverage would entail
and that's more for just general information purposes
thank you
okay set up property debt policy covers a
... locations this owner occupied and operated and managed leased
or rented by the named insured including but not limited
to streets roadways right of way trails and parks within
the jurisdictional boundaries of the named insured
and and also close transportation and disposal site
so basically what it no I wanted to call it
covers is ... like off site cleanup costs and defense
costs if there is any bodily injury or property damage
discovered because of the spill in that kind of stuff
and pollution
... and ... to cover it even covers not upper
upper covers operations like if you have to our credit
job sites and are not own disposable sites in the
city is brought into a lawsuit and stuff like that
...
as
like it doesnt covered up to ten years exclusions it
doesn't cover like asbestos or that kind of stuff committed
to CVS what is medical oceans pollution and spill or
like a group we've got all tanks and stuff kilogram
yeah yeah thank you very much councillor student
thank you Mr mayor just have a two questions I
want to ask one is just to make sure
understanding so
the
more on their end
four hundred fifty thousand dollars roughly of savings is fundamentally
because we are only going with the one access policy
yes that we have and that will give us two
hundred million dollars of coverage
... and just bear with me while I look for
the number here
on the property value of one hundred eighty two million
so we've we've estimated our property value to be a
hundred maybe two million give or take and our coverage
is up to two hundred million is that correct so
what what what I mean but it is it's per
occurrence time properly all of our properties worth over a
billion dollars but if there should be one occurrence Hey
it was a major and storm came in and or
said it wasn't a better example probably be some kind
of an explosion and starts a fire that takes over
our street as so it's per occurrence it's not like
if something and the next day and it wasn't related
to that same storm then we got coverage there again
okay yeah original so that's where I guess the number
that I came up with now as you know and
said they preferred that we take on the other to
access to and I'm thinking watch day maybe taking office
say you had does some content or can come through
and that may not be just limited to go our
street so do we take on the risk that
that or can never just not going to be over
two hundred million catches okay and my second question is
about the ... I don't policy ... and I understand
you rationale why you don't think it's worth us looking
at the savings I'm just curious in terms of ...
was there any consideration given by the insurance company and
the ... decreased use I would assume the city would
have on its vehicles and if that was factored
and decrease you decrease use in terms of given called
and stuff I I you know I see let's see
city vehicles around ice on their less less miles being
put on some of the vehicles I mean things like
garbage and so on I'm sure still going on but
there are other vehicles that I would expect parent being
used as much I'm just I'm just wonder from amalgamation
perspective the thousands George companies did take it into consideration
and like some of the lower risk type like do
your own props your own personal property insurance auto insurance
they did start to take savings off but then they
found out that they were ever more accidents because even
though people were going to work they were going other
places and their Russian hero she handled the accident rate
was actually go to the road so
we actually probably have more vehicles on at some points
because we had to restrictions on how many can travel
in a vehicle so you might have seen three pick
ups attend to an issue rather than one as
at certain times as an example where those insurance companies
look at this as one off kind of circumstances right
an overall rating they know that there could be an
increase could be exactly try whenever possible to take into
account all the risk management and goodness that's going on
here in the city because right across every passing day
everyone is very conscious and I gotta say they do
work really well with me and we our clap at
least to the fleet together ... you know dad the
problem right now as I said in the last meeting
is disco that is just created so much and hails
forty insurance companies for business interruption and different and dangerous
and those that do not are going to court
so like this is a lot to do what was
going on like I don't usually I got room to
Aggie and I beat him to death so they does
not sell and do something but and my room is
pretty it's not there anymore because my arguments about their
problems
I'm good thank you yeah
any further comments
councillor Hickman that many regarding auto
we have a fleet replacement the huge fault for that
so I'm honored
why would we not self insure completely if we're gonna
replace things
or two are we actually making that many to actually
have that much need for insurance because we have so
many claims every year how physical damage coverage is very
cheap
as the liability coverage just expensive all right and like
we we carry fifteen million in total for our liability
and the reason for that is
in my opinion and like just use major bus is
an example of one bus had some kind of a
major catastrophe in everybody on board was seriously injured or
killed it won't take long to eat up that money
okay
he further comments questions
motion to a councillor Helen did you have anything
also by by the end of the day thank you
okay thanks
we need a motion
councillor Skinner seconded by councillor Collins
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this this one that the insurance is time sensitive so
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by the first November sure
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motions carries
public works and sustainability revisions to the winter parking restrictions
thank you so there's a lot in this no so
I think it might make sense to go through them
point five are not point break arts section by section
... so we'll start with the first one and so
this this there's a series of ideas in here on
changes ... for winter parking restrictions for this Cup coming
winter and the the overall rationale as to
I enable better more efficient snow clearing them so the
achieve in different ways so the first the first possibility
to discuss and there is a revised the start date
of the winter on street parking restrictions ... to begin
on December first each year they're normally implemented in January
on a
on the TV date ... each year and ... that
causes sat public confusion and if we get an early
storm we either have to call the parking restriction in
early which would then have to make sure people know
about ... and then it still ends up being that
vehicles are are are parked around which causes at significant
destruction for snow clearing vehicles ... so that's that's what
I have to say to present the idea ... and
just ... lean on staff if they have anything to
add an additional that before we start discussing
so we will we take each one of those um
independently and and discuss them I think I don't think
they're reliant on each other actor separate issues adding it'll
get too complex if we start to layer on top
of yep so the first one is revising start date
... to December first each year currently ... we try
... if the weather cooperates to get to just after
Christmas to implement
Lynette so I just wanna add that that just add
to audiences that ... yeah so the past ... maybe
at a past five years I think it's been about
four times we've had to implement this early ... and
it does cause a bit of a scramble for staff
and for the public as they're not a they may
not be expecting it ... we don't have the staff
... normally hired to do the the ticketing or the
monitoring and ... it means that ... snow clearing staff
have to repeatedly go back to streets to try and
get the snow push back to the curb ... it's
also a scramble for communication staff to trying get a
message of because the decision is usually made the day
of or the day before as that weather forecast sometimes
does does change a lot so what that's the rationale
behind it moving it to December first the other thing
I'd like to mention as a stated in the notice
that the Serb municipalities surrounding us do this so it's
it's not a ... it's it's kind of ... industry
best practice to get ahead of this and have it
have it be implemented before you get ... before the
weather is calling for significance now
any comments councillor Skinner your worship I have to
issues I wish to raise the first is just in
terms of ... is it a ...
well I know it's a cost implication because we're gonna
be bringing parking enforcement staff scene I'm just wondering as
to some number that we've sat identified in terms of
how much extra does this cost us my first question
and my second one is in terms of the force
meant of the parking ban do we show any flexibility
now this winter maybe a different went to recall it
but this people are celebrating Christmas and some as part
of the house there's no snow do we still go
up and take it or is twenty flexibility around this
we have this as I said earlier we we have
in the past not put it in place so ...
deputy city manager of public works has has latitude to
put in place if the system more if the situation
warrants right
so what we've done is we haven't done is on
this was now as has been done unless it was
necessary
... we can bring in the in December first means
that from different December first down the parking bans in
place so that would apply over Christmas as well
I think that's that that's part of it in terms
of the cost there's I don't know what the cost
will be Mr senior women
there will there will be a revenue offset from a
to B. because there's tickets being issued for
so ... I'll just finish up by saying that I
think from from a public perception perspective ... I suspect
there will be a lot of people who with we
do have a Louise December ... number of us around
this table would be getting lots of calls you know
the parking enforcement ... police would be out and you
know my
recollection is that that's still very negatively by the public
seem to be sort of a cash grab our tax
grab when were enforcing something that doesn't need to be
enforced so I just raise it as a as an
issue yeah here in the chamber my experience is that
if we have snow it's okay if there's no snow
on the ground and you can park on the street
and it's not okay and over the past number of
years when I first came on council there was a
lot of complaints about this ... as in the last
couple of years it's gotten better because people have begun
to understand the system and that's why I'm reluctant to
change the system because the one we have now although
it has challenges to
thurs sat it's it's changing something that I think the
public has accustomed itself to ... but I understand the
reason for doing that too so it's a it's a
balance that you're trying to find her deputy mayor
yeah I would kind of liken it to playing a
game of whack a mole Leslie and because the it's
it's about consistency and I think what folks from my
vantage point honestly communications is really they the key factor
here and I know that our communications department certainly scramble
to try to get that message out but not everybody
is tuned in on a daily basis and so what
does week a lot of havoc when we have these
inconsistencies ... so you know I I have a general
tendency to you know nail it down I understand that
they're going to be good days and bad days but
we are not and meteorologists and and we just need
to have a consistent plan to ensure that the public
know what to expect and then so that's it you
know that's that's my basic concern is making sure that
everybody understands that the public is fully aware and that's
a real challenge for communications department so I see the
I see the intent thank you
your worship
and just second councillor Hickman then you councillor animal let
me see what
semi solo what I feel about this no no
this is really important especially this winter people need to
get together in our small groups and you know Christmas
is going to be the last chance for them to
do that really I would suggest a suspect
over the winter and unless we had a surprise have
a surprise strongly we had last year on Christmas Eve
you know quite often we get through Christmas and quite
easily with just another a modicum modest amount of plowing
eccentric and all this and allows people to get together
is good for people's mental health you know to see
their family and close friends already concerned about that this
year this is not what you're doing me considering this
and understand you know if it's easier for us but
we're not about us no it's about the people city
and are reading and you know that everybody that everybody
drinks are really when they go out one person would
probably drive or at a Christmas party ... from the
twentieth of December until seconder so January and I really
feel for those people and I think it's really important
I I say I would like to see status quo
the government
councillor
all cancer sorry about that councillor
well don't worry that I'm on the same lines as
councillor Hickman I can't see implemented this in December your
worship back in it's going to be a special card
for all of us ... this year give independently giving
the small group of people than whatever given that we're
going to do I'd like to see that goes on
the attack very witcher I think that December because stressed
for people and there's a lot of times we don't
know the communications factor mean we're used to this is
the way the dog for a long time so I
think the public is aware that there may be a
stormy they may have to get her at her about
the road well maybe more concentration around that the ...
communication piece but being living in that area being bored
councillor and councillor at large I would not recommend changing
this definitely not put his number first with respect to
connect with there's no snow on the ground we all
know that we get severity that
because it's about the people that that that I don't
even know what we're looking for specific parts of town
I think we're gonna be rebuilding at that at the
whole thank you
okay so just just to be clear this number one
applies outside the downtown not not the not the downtown
downtowns number two
but ... yeah yes it was likely that you're referring
to the area outside downtown as well thank
councillor court
thank you worship ... I'm on the fence with this
but I'm certainly leaning towards not bring that in the
summer don't throw any I mean that
that's what these things are here now so she can't
does that mean ... quick couple quick points when is
the city guide to city guide would be gone out
for this time of year till Christmas my right around
that is to council leader should know but
so
so there's another
thank god goes out at the end of November okay
as for okay so
it would go the independent of amber and that's assuming
people seen it for December first so that timing could
be looking at right now thanks ... I mean your
communications our understanding be scrambling but they're sent out the
same message they would send out for the last five
years changing the date so I don't think that's too
onerous on them obviously I just think to the city
alerts that we have through email through people sign up
for the alerts on our phones and what not along
with councillors Facebook groups the community groups I know I'm
in about a dozen you're not gonna reach everybody I
understand that but I think as we've been on this
... remember years people are Startin and they do know
that once was a snowstorm in December that they can
park on the street obviously it will be a few
that will be able to reach be reached but I
don't know I don't bring the same kind of what
councillor Hickman said about you know the Christmas time coming
in there and
not a you know if you've got a single car
driveway a couple double car driveway you're essentially saying people
can't come visit or they can visit the waiting only
one so I don't on the fence but I'm certainly
leaning towards ...
keep it on for January 1
thank you I am I am leaning towards moving into
the summer first and the reasons for that being
... I know there'd be a level of additional pain
if we don't get a snow storm in December ...
and the rules still in place but four of the
past five seasons we've actually still brought in earlier
and then January so does if you look at the
last five seasons eighty does natives a chance going to
be put in place anyway for that same period of
time ... so to me this
because of because there's a significant chance rendering it anyways
... and it is a real problem when there's many
vehicles parked on streets we get
I suggest we get as many concerns about the supply
was having to weave around in doing at any ...
subpar job having to return into a clearing we get
as many concerns complaints but that as we will about
the pain of of that have an additional parking role
earlier in the year and I think the the the
balance I would like to see better snow clearing those
cases and especially since odds are we have an eighty
percent chance putting in place early in any case
... I think it's it's much easier to put tap
consistent rules in place for so that people can understand
what rules are in place and what how they can
behave and I think
odds are Christmas parties are going to be smaller this
year anyway so that there'd be a less of a
demand again that's a that's what sort of got call
on my own observations ...
that's right so that's that's a that's where I'm leaning
I think I think the balance is is to the
benefit and considering where you we do it most years
in any case ... and maybe I guess Christmas might
be the the
that holiday season it might be the main pain point
but I'm wondering if there's a as an interesting compromise
of the fifteenth of December so there's a bit of
extra time ... in there ... so that might that
might help them get rid of some concerns
I think the whole discussion here seems to be around
consistency and I think that's my point would be inconsistent
with being consistent over the past number of years and
I think that the public understands our system and our
system is is that we will if we need the
parking ban before ... the ... date January comes around
then we will issue a notice that because of the
snow on the ground which which you can see is
it is a visual ... enforcement that we need to
put the parking ban in place ... and I can
guarantee if we move December first we won't have snow
in December sold may work may be worth it they
well as a I think if if consistency is what
we're looking for that's why we've gotten in the past
couple of years we've we we should continue to work
on that consistent message that we're gonna try to keep
the parking ban off till January but if the situation
warrants that we do is we'll have to do it
quickly and I think that's a communication message we should
reinforce my opinion so I'll be supporting status quo as
well
councillor statement yeah I'm hoping to because most of the
emails thanks in that that I got last Christmas was
Christmas season and people come in and family's company Informatica
L. and have no where to park and it's
you know it's Christmas season people need especially this year
they need to did they need to contact and they
need to family so I won't be so ... sports
changed to December first I'm as we go for you
know every year around the fourth of January that we
change it you know is that our December first and
even then it if so happen the
we need to put a name we can but I
would prefer a set date for January
in December as a coach general don't
yes your worship other gods or January dunking when we
don't putting American band is there any way you'd like
to we can give the public a week's notice like
given a warning ticket or something because of that when
you bring an end and there are a lot of
people get to take reporter realizes that scene so if
you put into practice you know you should give give
people a week and that good morning taken and then
after a week of say or recommends you know what
that is anymore you know because let me get stone
a ticket and they don't realize the disease you know
I think that's the challenge with the whole thing is
that these there's storms give you little little notice of
when they're when they're coming so it has and it
happens quickly act to lack to do that so that's
why that's the challenge with this if this was something
that you could have that you could say okay in
two weeks time are going to have a
at an event that we're going to need to bring
parking I mean that would be different but it's usually
a twenty four hour to forty eight hours ... at
issue and this some people will get caught and that's
and that's that's the balance that we have to find
in this
deputy mayor
I have no certainly after hearing to some of you
point say I I certainly do agree that the consistency
is certainly has been has been if you know in
place
the one thing that I would caution is that you
know we're not in normal times there isn't it nothing
consistent right now we're in the middle of a pandemic
and I certainly would caution that we should be a
strong voice to encourage and continued S. safety precautions as
we interest Christmas season the last thing that any of
us wants to see is that ... another wave and
happen and over the Christmas season when people of course
you know ... ... in their festivities they may have
a drink they may forget to you know that would
you know the here and then the now with a
pandemic so I think that you know it's all of
us can put on that cap of knowing that as
much as we obviously want to see our families and
we do have our bubbles ... I think it's an
important reminder for us all to continue sending out that
message of safety around that secret round that season in
that time frame that because we're not living in consistent
or normal times right now but I do take the
comments or any of my colleagues here today ... the
guarding the practices that I've certainly happened over the past
couple years how that sound unveils and it so well
yeah I'm willing to keep reconsider thank you
did you have come
okay
so if someone wishes to make a motion councillor Perot
did you wanna
make a motion hang up I make a motion it'll
be a feeling motion so might be someone better for
someone else to answer it gone it's like he's going
to make a motion
K. C. start of the
seconded by councillor Stapleton
any further comment
call the question
so everybody have the
motions carries 8 to one
your
seconds
extend the over nice
irking banners outside the downtown
M. so they says sorry
I can later okay
go ahead so this is and this will be a
temporary twenty four hour parking restriction and so in this
case parking will not be permitted on any street outside
the downtown and a business just a district during a
storm and for the twenty four hours thereafter so
... it would be enforced upon a declaration by the
the DCM a public works when operationally required
and so what it what it would enable is or
what it would want would be is so
... right now we have correct me if I'm incorrect
in laying this out so right now we have a
night time parking ban ... as of one is declared
or early January as we just decided
... that's during the night time this would do it
... have tension in the daytime as well because it
triggers while it's snowing for significant storm and for twenty
four hours thereafter so that it gives snow clearing crews
the opportunity of of staff open streets to clear snow
that makes sense yeah so it's so it's on the
vent basis if if there's a situation in which the
deputy city manager of sector needs to be a banner
parking during the daytime hours yeah then they can do
that yeah deputy city manager yeah so just expand on
the ins explanation there would which was accurate so basically
and this is this is industry best practices well so
any time there is any event ... we would add
advertised that the there's going to be a twenty four
hour parking ban in effect for areas outside the downtown
supposed to places that have the overnight parking ban and
we would extend it for a twenty four hour period
after and this coincides with our service timelines and it
would ... enable snow clearing crews to more efficiently clear
we make sure we get to push back to the
curb a lot master it would eliminate multiple runs which
is a complaint we sometimes get right you came up
our street you didn't cleared effectively you have to come
back ... so some people complain that we're not there
enough some people complain that we're there too much this
will help us be more efficient in our operations to
achieve a final push back within twenty four hour period
what occurs ... impeding operations
all right I think that's a good idea I think
if I think it's a good idea that our staff
have that ability indeed when it's warranted to be able
to do that no problems supporting them
councillor Hickman yeah I just wanna make clear more support
for this command is winter for her progressive thinking on
this and you know what happened during a pandemic of
it was brilliant that was great move and keep everybody
else trees when needed again communications is deputy mayor mentioned
will be key on this but even against most of
the people lazy most people will be huge health so
well done this winter
councillor Skinner your worship I just I have a couple
questions one is the ... trigger tennis is I see
it is five centimeters ... and I'm just wonder do
we have any idea as to how often in the
past we've had five centimeters is this something that would
be you know once the line is there something that
happens twice a week three times a week do we
have any ideas to that
sorry
basically the intent is this is anytime there's any significant
or watching use were significant like to five centimeters as
a guideline if we have to do plowing operations work
the intent is to ... implement this so if you
know if we need to send out ... cruised to
do it we would want to do this is and
the intent is to improve efficiencies
so so we're gonna do is not based on five
centimeters when I'm there and I don't know where to
five centimeters sense and nonsense five so
I read it my understanding was yeah
the intent is is that it will we didn't want
to get into a specific number to add to be
advertising to the residents as it will cause confusion and
also then the ... and Cheryl may be able to
speak to this better but in discussions with the legal
department it would cause confusion and then people would potentially
be able to contest any tickets that they received and
you will be able to argue over the fact of
what a five centimeter spell what forecast you were looking
at environment Canada's if five maybe a mix it's something
different and it could cause a lot of confusion so
the way we would ... I guess inform residents about
that is we will make an announcement and we don't
want to tie it to any amount but I can't
say that it is the the ... we want to
call it any time we have to plow so five
centimeters and up would be a good base that you
would do would use
I thank you in my second point is when we
talk about plowing or clearing an area outside of the
downtown we're looking at restricting on street parking for twenty
thought twenty four hours after you to clear it my
question is how long does it take for the routes
to be cleared
our service timeline right now is ... we guarantee one
cut within twelve hours and full widening down within twenty
four so we sync that up to line up with
our current timelines
councillor for this one at a point of that it's
it's twenty four hours after the end of the storm
route twenty four hours from the point of decoration so
if the storm lasted for thirty six hours it will
be during those thirty six hours plus the twenty four
hours following because the service standard ... timeline kicks in
by the end of the store
just wanna clarify that because already a little bit differently
the five centimeters is kind of the the trigger where
you have the option to do
but it's not
given that at five centimeters that you would put this
in place as a
no I guess it to be an operational decision it
would be a it would be a council decision it
would be an operational decision right and I mean the
reality is here in St John's ... I don't see
very many five centimeters that's right I means ... yeah
right is generally about ten so you know anytime that
we're getting full crews to go out and do it
that's the intent that we would do it is not
a forget a few flurries overnight that's not the intent
right if the intent is anytime we're getting a system
coming through St John's that we need to do we
in full operational
it works yes councillor Hanlon
yeah I would probably agree with what and I have
a problem well they didn't I think the plan and
if you do that very realistic given out rather than
harassment but before I would be more respectable Robert voted
yes for this war thank you
deputy mayor
thank you Mr mayor yeah no I agree I think
that this is excellent because obviously it gives start the
staff and and you know an extra bit of time
of course to do proper cleaning so I guess my
question is we do you M. and for the city
management deputy city manager ... did you see that this
could have any positive ramifications over the sidewalk snow clearing
issue I'm just wondering because of course this is going
to help
... in terms of the cleaning for the streets after
storm but does it have any impact whatsoever on sidewalks
thank you
I mean any time if ... if cars are parked
on the street it then there's ... you know there
is there it is easier to clear sidewalks as well
because you're not in the areas outside of the downtown
you know we're we're this would be implemented I'm just
because you're you're not concerned about heating the cars right
you got a little bit more ... space to to
operate ... but overall it's mainly a ... street it's
it prevents a multiple
about runs through areas yeah exactly you're we even in
and around the cars and then you have to come
back and try and pick a time when the cars
aren't there in order to clear out the snow this
left yeah so it eliminates that it's it's similar to
the ... to the bad downtown business tricks district one
more from four to six you're not allowed to park
there and that gives so then from four to six
we make sure operators are in the downtown area to
push back to snow there to parking spaces so this
is what this does in the rest of the city
but it it's it's in our normal operations if that
makes sense some cases it may cut down on the
filling in of the sidewalks because the plows come through
there twice instead of three times if they can get
it done then it might prevent that part
yeah so that was exactly what I was kind of
yeah I could go on for here that there may
be slight improvements as a result of that council front
you have a
great minds think alike
fools seldom differ
councillor Collins
issuers are allowing go around it should not
... the global gift for but I think we should
revisit revisited they around you know but we have a
to the winter and CEO Cialis works because you know
it the problem's going your street and it's clear you
know you you feel like you got it cracked or
you don't mean to like I I can see just
a lot of people get tickets you know so I
don't know I agree with that now but I think
we should revisit after see how much of a backlash
we get you know
look at it after a few storms out of work
so good I keep saying you know we're so good
relievers but if not we can that okay the real
the real test of a B. you know how it
affects the operations of you know over
yep and you know that will be that will be
to test them I also have trusted the staff that
we were going to use their discretion or just
yeah yeah I go alone but if I may bring
it up in the middle of winter I'm I'm sure
you will councillor Collins
councillor Korab yeah this is the point you made your
worship I was gonna say is that you know are
forced to take enforcement officers have the discretion so if
it's a street that you're technically not allowed to park
on but we're clear back to the curb and let's
face it the plow will be should be and will
be by again you know that's a communication them to
have some leniency so I think that's something we can
do it could cause some confusion obviously one day you
didn't get a ticket then the next week you did
get a ticket because a small so it can keep
using but I guess is the point of it that
are taking office and have some discretion
not ticket if necessary during the day when people are
going to work in and and cursor error error out
of the out of the area and on my street
which is pretty typical city street outside the downtown and
there's very few cars parked on the street during the
daytime I think other people are living councillor Hickman councillor
Skinner that would say the same you know and you
know it's not a it's not a huge issue and
if if you can improve by by encouraging that day
and ... I think it's a good use ... who's
next Sir councillor quicker councillor Korab brings up a good
point about discretion
I was told many times over the years about that
when there was no snow on the ground during January
or February now and then that there is no discretion
tickets are given out and ... wondered if ... we
have a comment on that city solicitor
is there an option to say no here we go
... ... I guess I just purpose my comments I'm
always where you talk about important procedures in a public
meeting as it tends to be legal advice given
the council ... but I will tell you as a
general proposition that all officers when assessing the situation deciding
on whether to issue a ticket have discretion ... to
look at all the circumstances and determine whether there is
a violation that is appropriate ... for ticket to be
issued
next question
when an ad England and had a comment there before
well I do I just wanna make sure that we're
clear that ... this is the this pointer this thing
or this twenty four hour parking ban would apply whenever
it was declared operationally so that could mean if we
get a snowstorm next week it comes into effect actually
right and so it also takes into account December so
last last Christmas for example you know it started to
snow on Christmas Eve it didn't stop till sometime in
March
alright so if there is a potential for when we
get back to back storms that these compounds and I
just want to make sure that that's understood I think
everybody understands that I I think we we I think
we're trying to find a balance here between operationally being
able to keep the city moving and ... you know
but at the same time if the need is not
there being able to keep things moving moving as well
not being ... over overbearing on the whole thing so
I I think finding the striking that balance is a
challenge but it's one that we need to do our
best to strike
councillor for a
as one other piece to to consider within this that
so I had a several conversations leading up to this
moment I thank businesspeople one one of the titular was
with the contractor so in a few neighborhoods there's significant
developments ... and in camera terrace or significant structure and
happening and and a twenty four hour ... restriction could
be quite significant for them ... so it's something well
I think all they'll be difficult to put exceptions in
place but it's something we'll have to keep an eye
to as we go forward on whether it's ... too
big of a pain in those areas or maybe it's
the fourth when officers providing some discretion in the way
if there's a house under construction in the area ...
just something to honor in relation to this
any further comment
so the council for any making that motion the second
sort of
drumlins up you know from
yeah
let's hope we never have to use any of those
parking pass ...
also
a source
motion's carried 9 to 0
number three councillor for out thank you M. downtown winter
parking restrictions on this one
excuse me so downtown winter parking restrictions only utilized on
the street is scheduled for snow removal operations and the
restrictions in effect twelve thirty AM to seven thirty AM
currently at the city's so that's the parking restriction the
city snow removal operations actually begin at ten eleven PM
and because of that our to have window ... vehicles
are often still parked on the street ... so crews
find that also find the traffic calming traffic volume sorry
is increasing earlier in the morning and it is best
to reopen the streets the traffic earlier than seven thirty
AM so the proposal is after the downtown I wonder
parking restriction ... from eleven PM to six AM instead
of twelve thirty AM to seven thirty six and speak
oh sorry your worship all just think of the amount
of money and I do live chat with her but
I think this is the one the claimed the prostration
many people within the previous hours I think this will
be a lot about the conflict answer Martin I think
it worked very well with my command staff for clinical
thank you thank you councillor Hanlon deputy mayor
yeah no I I agree I think that this is
a smart way and I think this is true continuous
improvement to an action because we do see a number
of people in the downtown core oftentimes working out you'll
see a lot of people who access said the gyms
and things like that that are in the downtown core
and as well ... anybody who like the businesses at
that point in time or shut down and and with
the exception of some late night activities and those activities
are usually involving alcohol and they're you know they're vampires
and things like that so went the driving aspect shouldn't
shouldn't even actually be a factor at that point in
time and so I think that this is a great
way to clean it up and to enable our crews
to do work better job certain streets of thank you
Lynn and to you and staff councillor Korab I'm certainly
in favor of it but I do not like making
any decisions about downtown unless we talk to downtown people
the adept downtown Saint John we had any communication with
them about this or run this by
at this this should be in the residential
of the downtown now now waters not the commercial area
hi retract my comment
it it would also include the data but it's only
when we do removals right it's not it's not a
parking ban I don't know I don't know that yeah
I guess that answers I guess what I'm into this
is that it it applies more to the areas that
are not included in the outside the downtown my comments
back on that so do we talk to take jobs
but this
and we we didn't but we can I I don't
anticipate an issue yeah I'm fine
zdummyz.
your worship above the border downtown Johnson this is something
they would welcome this is something we talked about before
so in in I don't know and then and then
reach out to directly but we've had discovered before that
we want in the past so this is something that
would be welcome because exactly at the deputy mayor said
his business partner of operating a current with the bad
would be on this one that will be the exam
there's no good we we we couldn't really understand them
... and the diversity of it will be point will
be yeah therefore backbone for snow removal and you know
for the winter motel and in the business area because
understand that there was a lot more
that will dollars between the two ... people sex workers
as we move of of of of garbage it is
a delivery call happened at all heard so this will
be about the bill was up
and I will get you a quote for to them
work really in a formal and informal
okay thank you councillor Hanlon and as well the forty
six the ... that bad still remains in fact right
so every night the cars have to be off the
street by four in the morning every night
anyway you know to meet ... soul all of them
all work work together
councillor Hickman so this was withdrawn employees for those streets
are designated for that night you know with the sticks
in the banks normally
yeah
right now all it's wanna command was with her once
again her very progressive the
the idea here thank
councillor for hours just want to know that if we
proceed with this and it sounds like we are ...
I need full probably required as well the notes in
here in the note that that to meet the deadline
for the winter print winter edition of the city guide
and has to be made by the second of November
okay
any further comments moved by councillor for road seconded by
councillor Hanlon
yes your worship call the question
motions carrot
he sidewalk snow clearing
18 ms Windsor goes
all of frame M. so this is Amy and
a decision no I was an information as well ...
on that motion passed by council a few weeks back
... regarding sidewalk snow clearing so that addresses several of
those particular points and so as a reminder we we
discussed ... this no provide some I I option for
direction to reprioritize the existing sidewalk sidewalk routes ... it
speaks to the training and supervision supervision within the sidewalk
snow clearing system and approach
and speaks to that piece of the motion that to
her call for a conversation on house roads are prioritize
things like free up resources so it's a lot of
content in here I think it again makes sense to
do it section by section as we just have the
previous conversation because so many layers to it ...
so what we'll do the the first one first and
so the the proposition is in the note and actually
allow staff to look through it because I I don't
wanna trip up on it ... but it's basically recognizing
that there's a fixed amount of resources to deliver on
sidewalk snow clearing and this is an option of re
prioritizing ... some of those sidewalks that we cleared so
that there's a readjustment because we have we have too
many priority ones to get through the party once in
a ride in a reliable timelines of the public and
doesn't have a have a route that they can rely
on getting around ...
and ... yeah so that's those are different points on
all head over to staff to to go through the
details of that
okay yes so to expand on that so ... some
of the feedback we received in the public engagement ...
that we did on sidewalk snow clearing after the winter
of course was even though certain ... sections of routes
were priority one it still took a long time to
get a clear ... and this is something that we
we've been been aware of ... that we had too
many priority one so you know if your whole system
is a priority one and effectively nothing is a priority
one so we have gone through all the sidewalk groups
and effectively we've taken a so one side of streets
will remain priority one but the second site instead of
having two sides of the same street being a priority
ones in order to ... to be able to get
more streets more sidewalks cleared will only do one side
so the first side of arterial roads ... and the
downtown
at this downtown business district would stay a priority one
your schools would effectively be a higher priority to one
so we just got them call priority one eight so
that would be all your schools owns us the first
first thing we do ... priority to would now be
your second side of your multi lane arterial roads and
the downtown business district and first side of collectors in
your priority three would be the second side of any
remaining arterial roads that have both sides service and and
we have very few private priority force but basically be
the second side of ... collector streets so effectively we
won't be to priority we won't have priority one and
two sides of the streets we would focus on one
and we've arranged it in a fashion so that you
have a whip ups clear sidewalks going through the city
so it would enable pedestrians get from you know whatever
to point a to point B. is more effectively you
know instead of spending too time due to sides of
one area we've moved on and now we're doing when
we no it's a longer stretch of a priority one
thing that makes sense
deputy mayor
sorry
the thanks very much Leanne and I think that that
and you know from my understanding of what's being presented
here now that that really would make an improvement ...
it again it seems to
help clean up a little bit about can activity ...
which of course is the ongoing issue when we talk
about any any plan and set them mobility or transportation
in the city so I think that this certainly sounds
like a move in the right direction and the Garcia
sidewalks because we just want to ensure that people once
they get on a sidewalk or going to suddenly come
to a barrier and then you know be forced out
into the road and so I I know that it's
probably and not and and on a grand scale this
this this change but I think it'll help put the
game in the vein of consistency so from first blush
here this really does seem like a good improvement to
me thank you
further comments councillor Skinner
your worship just a forum for some context
the main sorry network main the downtown business district as
it's defined in this note ... I'm just curious as
to how far north west coast is a doctor street
is it queens road is an American road when we
say we are going to do the downtown business district
I'm just wondering how far we've
it's just water and of course
okay thank you
councillor Collins
yes ... just former obviously priority mostly running on the
one side and a sort of
together because
I think we went lots of free to be quicker
to come back to the movie please press town within
the street get a priority one but a lot of
these if you're sending
yeah okay
thank you councillor Hickman ... you have stolen and the
that but is there a separate contract for downtown we
so what when you say downtown in this context how
does that work what what impact do they have or
how does it take you back out to the country
it just means that will be ... advise you know
will be directing the contractor in how how to do
what priorities first right so it means you might get
a of you'll have a cut on Water Street and
Duckworth street before I guess you do the second side
of Water Street but it'll it'll just be done in
a more
in a more efficient process to maximize the number of
of sidewalks are the faster we can get site sidewalks
done so people will have somewhere to ... to walk
your worship yes councillor had
I don't know I didn't want to step on council
has nobody finished he's finished
at first I think this is really good because I
know we want to we all want to improve snowball
clearing but we also know the restraints we have with
our budget so it seems to me what we're going
to do we're going to do very well alright commended
ivory I will be able to put it so I
think I think will be improvements and I think you
can
what we are doing a little too much for a
better job of it I think the public will increase
the task thank you worship
councillor Skinner yeah thank you your worship again I'm just
trying to ...
wrap my head around how this will operationally functions so
if I may business owner on Water Street I'm going
to have one side of the street down
and continue on to the other priority one areas to
get those done before looping back to do the other
side
and I asked earlier I don't know if the same
timelines apply but I asked earlier about how long it
would take and I was told twelve hours for one
o'clock twenty four hours for the second sorry because we'd
be looking at twelve to twenty four hours before that
second one it would be different times
this sidewalk snow clearing program has much different timelines and
the streets to
so don't volunteer chair
so the current timelines for sidewalk snow clearing is four
to seven days after an event
and every time it snows we have to restart our
priorities so if it snows on a Monday and then
it snows on a Wednesday timeline starts again on Wednesday
so we're full with the current resources we have we're
four to seven days for getting the entire sidewalk routes
complete now the downtown business area does have a contractor
in place ... the timelines may be better down there
but as a telling you exactly when one side will
be cleared exactly when the other side would be cleared
for timelines for that I would be able to give
you that data
so I'm to understand then that one side of the
street could be done and it could be days
before the other side
yeah
yes
I'll just add that harbor drive is also included in
that contract downtown
... so the contract includes water bottle water all touch
Duckworth and one side of her drive so what we're
going to do with with that contract is we're going
to spell out you know we have we have decided
north or south get back what once had water come
back second come back once on top worth to one
side of her drive then start second salt of water
and property in typically in in other seasons he ...
he being the contractor
... nobody has that ready for business open in the
morning ... I will add to that the downtown
a business district we do a lot of snow removal
down there so it's easier somewhat easier to plow the
sidewalks because there's less snowbanks on her cell the contractors
typically
so much easier to plow because of the lack of
snow remains unsolved mysteries
so we don't get into a four seven day normally
foundered normally hours
to get to get downtown business district clout
I appreciate the information your worship all just
no monitor myself and see how it goes yeah it's
it's it's a different it's it's a whole different set
up because of the because of the private contractor down
there but I I I think it's fair to say
that in most cases with a fifteen or twenty centimetre
snowfall that the sidewalks are usually complete is ... water
drug works all the time businesses are opening in the
morning or late morning
and of course would not just sidewalk snow clearing but
for all snow clearing it depends on when the small
stops at most stops at six AM
... we're never going to get everything done by the
time business opens at a on and off we get
more time we'll have it all
she was worshipped
... dramatically downtown thanks we've put in the downtown park
loop walk that detailed topo removal ... the last three
years ago thank you for that in the parking this
overbuild including the sidewalk has little closer
yes your worship and use it you can tell
if you leave goals of Kerr brought anywhere you go
downtown they don't have as much all note near earth
watch all three do you know so is less known
outer you need golden at home and you do a
drive or something Gary be an hour go down there
and ten minutes you know you don't have enough good
looks old lady more rainy
the drive and Pitts memorial drive you can see the
difference as you as you go into arts house lands
in the hallway yeah
I'm agreeing with council
I always agree with you don't
it's councillor for
thank you and I just wanted to make clear it
so the con and asked David when and to make
sure I'm correct the contractor only covers water Duckworth and
harbor Dr grant yeah so it's not the point of
making by reinforcing that is it's not as if they're
going to be called up to another street to do
it before doing the other side of Water Street they're
gonna it's a solution to make it done and until
it's complete
any further comments
okay ... what sorry it was so what I'd ask
staff to speak to a little bit is so this
as part of the motion was a conversation on lane
ways stairways and crosswalks as well and that's not addressed
here and that's fine and that is a big piece
of work okay ... but I just wanted to note
that for the listening public in the staff of any
any comments to say on on that consideration in the
linen yeah so ... we're go the plan is to
bring that forward to the next made a whole where
if it was up a lot of work to get
to pull all this to together so we did and
we didn't want to I guess even though this is
a lot to bring forward to council we didn't want
to bring even more in the council today so we're
going to the plan is to bring that forward it
to the next meeting hall
deputy mayor
yeah no I just wanna say that they'd be in
the same way issue certainly is it has been an
ongoing contentious issue for some time and I I'm I'm
really looking forward to more discussion and information around that
and how we can continue to improve that service so
thank you
sure councillor Collins said your worship what pressure crow Dave
said dear with listings it here windows no stops got
a big factor shoulder it was also on sept twelve
one o'clock tonight you'll get something more in the job
is done perfect if that's not five or six o'clock
in the morning you'll gets out and everybody looked up
to the window under street is not the owner is
a nightmare so whatever time snow snaps this so how
good of a job you gates and also when it
starts because it starts to o'clock in the afternoon you
know at six o'clock in the evening it's it's dangling
out there
you can't get around so you're good point councillor Collins
so moved by councillor Froude seconded by
councillor Hickman call the question
yup
I think we can do them all together
M. all Sir which which all ... the other two
points yes
yeah
hold on now maybe I'm
okay nope sorry point one I was looking at sorry
I was looking a priority one eight months as being
point sorry yeah just ... doing point one
what
that's too many numbers
it's too many numbers
motions carries
point to me again
M. point to it there's no motion attached point two
unless council feels otherwise I suppose ... but it's it's
say it lays out the the supervision and the training
that same place for the operators ... and forever and
the approach ... so I'm not going to go through
those details I think it's laid out there while I'm
if there any questions by
I don't think there's a motion on the
okay
we'll put your seconding in abeyance for next time we
need a second
your worship just a question if I could one of
the
issues that I've been ... talked about already is the
issue of private contractors plowing either under the sidewalks or
into the street moving window leaving wind rows of small
that have ... complicated work of our own pro war
in fact reversed a good work that they've done and
I'm just wondering what ... what policies what approach we
have to that how do we respond to that I
guess is what I'm trying to understand
city solicitor
so we have provisions in our bylaws that prevent
... contractors are citizens from doing exactly what you're speaking
about so we have an enforcement mechanism I'm we have
... public work staff will go out and do inspections
and ... provide if they signed that that has happened
... go to the enforcement process and lead to a
prosecution
so what that inspection process be on a complaint basis
or would it be as a part of their normal
operations actually reviewing ... now some of some of the
enforcement of that right
yeah we've been working and cooperating with the public works
department tried to do all we can improve that enforcement
mechanism ... with regards to the operational if there's inspection
I'll have to ask David or Lynn and speak to
that because I'm not sure if it's just complaint basis
or if we actually do have ... the resources to
be able to have a staff staff person going right
doing inspections without a complaint I I do know that
there are probably enough complaints that
dealing with that is is quite at a heavy task
some
yes so we do have inspectors that do after every
snowfall of and the ... well I travel the city
to look for areas and we see or speak to
residents or contractors or you know ... and make sure
they understand are not permitted to do that we also
deal with complaints that they also are C. and a
monitoring at contracts as as well so yeah we are
we are if they're trying to do is as best
we can to ensure that ... cleared sidewalks are not
plowed in by private contractors or you know residents or
whatever
further comments
okay
NexPoint
the point 3
if I may add to the previous one just before
serve on and we've made some modifications and staff and
speak to this more detail but made some concern last
year with the quality of private that private contractors we
have we've hired so for instance let's with Avenue had
a lot of concerns on the quality of the clearing
so there's been some changes to how those are ...
what those contracts say to ensure that there are better
accountability mechanisms in place to ensure that that that's quality
work
so that the last point there is
was that suggestion for a conversation on and with that
there's a re prioritize ation possible for some local streets
to free up resources ... for sidewalk snow clearing and
I think the the note lays it out well ...
but in briefs ... I I support what what's written
here and and I also a motion when the time
comes first status quo our for our local streets are
prioritized ... it said it notes that and some of
these things are obvious but we have a very temperate
climate which results in a lot of rain and or
snow melt immediately after so far so that rain and
melt because there's no way to get wet and heavy
very quickly ... which turns the ace and there are
the most significant challenges service delivery is the ability to
recover completely after an event for subsequent event occur so
we have snow and rain and freezing rain and then
... more snow on top of it gets packed in
really hard and it's difficult to ... to remove it
...
so any change to how we would do the streets
I will lead to that sort of scenario where there's
rocks there's rocks in the street routes of snow in
the street me quite difficult to get through ... as
it's a mix of ice and snow and there
one of the reasons so I'm I'm supportive of of
status quo because it is that's not a satisfactory
changing is not satisfactory route for vehicles but it's also
not a satisfactory route for pedestrians because if you're street
is is is full of rocks and ice that means
the vehicle is there it's it's riskier to have a
vehicle on the street which means if there's a pedestrian
... using that same street they have no space or
there's a greater risk in in a vehicle pedestrian means
in an unsafe on safe place ... so I think
I think status quo make sense ... for moving forward
good councillor Hickman
the
I just have a quick comics like this was directed
at me part of the site and talk with this
for a long time I wouldn't I would I would
not take it personally no worse but no I appreciate
I agree discussions with them about this then and she
optional is a lot more than I do and I
understand fully the need to make sure you pick up
off the ice
and keep the drains on plugged sector I'd like to
understand sometimes it's it's been known them this is leave
that redo it what it doesn't need to be done
the asphalt is bare except for we can use our
resources elsewhere and times like that that's all I'm saying
but I understand that telling him to repeat for shore
so thanks for the clarification and school mile scolding
I was scolding
councillor out yeah sure sure a lot of hundred implausible
around people teach that there will
you know how from around industries don't they're going back
around eleven thousand catch basins and uptown some of practice
from right and we will get it gets business done
in on the water mix when the status of milk
in the water all over the place because you can't
get down it's based so it's a lot of times
there to ... they're going to have to go through
both of them most of the time the truth which
is
any further comments
so
there's no need for a motion on that one either
both
right
okay
yes councillor Korab is sickening all the non motions
so that's it for that
of course thanks very much for that work by the
way in and Dave this and your staff that was
a good piece of work to get that taken care
of as a lot of information on this
yes or there's a fourth line
lawyers
point 4 or 4
retain the current level of service
the council maintain the current level of service on local
streets so that was for information purposes only it was
that
okay
or is
thank you very much
community services inclusion advisory committee
this one councillor Stapleton ... yes your worship this is
Chuck ... the council requested feedback from the closer by
the committee ... there's quite a number of
request and discussions that's attached to this
estreme ma feedback and I want ... council to actually
have a good look at it because there's quite a
number of issues that the inclusion vice three committee ...
came up with ... because of the pedestrian mall and
before you make any decisions for next year or thereafter
... reading need to look at ... inclusion at accessibility
there's quite a there has been a number of issues
... decks ... white ... and the pedestrian mall going
too fast skateboards ... so it's we had reported here
to have council have every damn deep look at all
the issues that the inclusion of ours we committee had
an average to mall and ... hopefully next year they
will all these long we'll be there thank you
okay thank you ... it says resolution is that something
that's
we're gonna to debate
councillor Stapleton is moving the resolution as put third resolution
thank me to read it that council review the recommendations
put forward by the inclusion committee for the downtown pedestrian
mall and share with all relevant parties recommendations the Cokesbury
implications for those with vision loss such as wayfinding indication
of a upcoming ramps and obstacles and sidewalks shoring ramps
me coat a slip resistant and lead to a deck
that can be maneuvered by wheelchair access to accessible washrooms
for criticism all users accessible parking located inside the mall
was hazardous and a need for inclusion education among business
and security staff in the area and I'm not great
seconded by deputy mayor you comments
your worship I'd like to
go ahead councillor handles
thank you your worship yes I I I I would
also doubly second this is well I think this is
what's meters and ... Mr Bolick well doll was that
it was a dog rather quickly and there was invited
to the mobile phone well the recommendations that basic plan
everyone deserves the right to start all over I don't
think that would be special asking for this to be
created fairly like everyone else and I think this is
very much welcome and I know that that was her
concern as well as business owners what was the value
worship so I think that the welcome and I'll be
working on behalf in sort of back up thank you
thank you very much councillor and
any further comments
call the question
also
so
your worship okay just waiting for councillor for how to
return to his seat and then where
yes
the voters
motions carries
councillor councillor proudly we assume that you're in support of
that resolution yeah
see what I mean about the rules are a little
bit different councillors should
yeah
it's like going to an auction to put your hand
up we got to be really careful when you do
this ... Shea heights community center board of directors
right all of the year
this
is your worship is the board of directors it was
a
a few changes in the terms of reference after last
time it and it was two thousand sixteen and
it is a few their own cultural mob the main
one is to help health center in trail it's usually
just resource armor but now they're making data X. issue
decision not only does he joked Pasco school
so I moved recommendation we're going to weeks a lot
of work after going into this
so motor nation that the acceptance
there's any questions current sheriff's American service department is here
but the north is going to speak but he has
any questions current if you wanted to have your comments
Hey I got there I got ... yeah I just
this is that produced report we were very very few
the terms of reference of dish they had Shea heights
that community center board every couple years so we just
went through a review and the board has reviewed all
this and was in favor of everything the point here
a few things that we just add it was some
further clarification around subcommittees and how that can be allies
with the board ... the appointment of directors ensuring that
there's equality inclusiveness within our board from that perspective we
worked with Elaine oriented team to ensure that some of
the language within our own advisory committees are also reflected
in this terms of reference or as well from a
consistency perspective that would be around confidentiality set and we
also added some acceptable method of communication ensuring that ...
boards items are not communicated through social media platforms and
done through manner which acceptable with all board members so
conflict of interest statement was also at is and the
process for the election of executives so it's put into
the terms of reference itself any questions
so moved by councillor Collins seconded by
councillor Skinner
any further comment
call the question
motions courage
that is our agenda
thank you very much meeting adjourned
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