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warning warning welcome to our

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committee of the whole meeting

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10/28/2020

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the agenda is before you

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moved by councillor Stapleton seconded by deputy mayor call the

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question

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what we do this cancer is gonna lose your first

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committee of the whole meeting ... you'll find that are

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lower in the chamber of the

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the world's procedure a bit more lax ... we don't

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yeah we don't necessarily have a motion first to the

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base ... and we also don't limit speaking once on

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on on the motion

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yeah so we just try to have a good discussion

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because it forms the basis for the recommendations I called

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the council meeting so it's a good opportunity for for

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us to have that conversation engaging the staff in that

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and for the public to understand the issues that we're

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dealing better so

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... if you see that things don't work exactly the

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same as they do in the chambers that's why we

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try to try to keep it more wrap more casual

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more interactive

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yeah

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carried

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J. minutes

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... October fourteenth ... before you moved by councillor Skinner

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second by councillor Hickman call the question

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I don't have a question

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okay here we go

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councillor Korab yeah

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motions courage

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presentation delegations we happen on finance and administration insurance renewal

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negotiations

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betting or you going to speak that

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yeah

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you can step up to my concerns you can step

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up to the Mike

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she said on

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okay good morning everybody ... as you know I was

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here a week or so ago ... to go over

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the insurance renewal and find out how we would proceed

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and the coverage expires as you know on October thirty

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first at it terms of the renewal plus a new

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environmental liability insurance policy that was initially offered and reviewed

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council ... consisted of a number of coverages and ...

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was the city auto property casualty umbrella user group travel

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insurance and environmental the total premium is two million three

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oh five nine oh seven and we tax that would

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be two million five sixty one one eleven

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council agreed at our last meeting that the insurance coverage

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terms through a and B. reviewed in detail and that

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recommendations for cost savings be made realizing it would involve

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the city accepting extra risk coverages to be arranged the

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Lloyds with a casualty in excess liability coverage if the

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city accepted a self insured retention of to one fifty

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thousand the savings would be twenty six thousand five hundred

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and if the city accepted a self insured retention of

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five hundred thousand the savings would be fifty three thousand

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this insurance provides protection for third party claims the cost

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savings in my opinion is not considered sufficient and it

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is recommended that deductible of a hundred thousand be maintained

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next the Ottawa property coverage is through of eva the

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city's auto fleet cost savings if the city accepted a

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two hundred fifty thousand deductible would be fifty two thousand

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four oh two and the St John's transportation commission savings

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would be thirty four thousand nine hundred automobile coverage is

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a legislative coverage the savings offered pertains to contractor equipment

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floater rather than third party liability and is not considered

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a sufficient savings versus protection being offered and maintaining the

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current coverage and deductible is my opinion and I'm recommending

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get to city maintain its current one hundred thousand deductible

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property coverage if the city accepted a five hundred thousand

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self insured retention the savings would be to thirty eight

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eight twenty three this is considered a substantial savings and

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since just protects the city owned property the city may

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wish to accept this risk for the cost savings offered

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there's also excess property coverage offered to protect the city

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should anyone occurrence exceed a hundred million in damages the

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first access protects the city for an additional one hundred

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million for a total of two hundred million for anyone

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occurrence in examining city properties most expensive total loss that

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may occur would probably be a new with our street

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there are multiple city property city all including the parking

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garage city hall annex model one and convention center to

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toll worth of these properties combined are estimated at one

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hundred eighty two million five hundred fifty five thousand one

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eighty eight the city could consider accepting just one access

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property insurance policy with the principal property policy

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offering a total of two hundred million this would save

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the city on a sixty thousand in premium for total

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savings of three hundred ninety eight thousand eight twenty three

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plus tax it is important to note that our insurance

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broker area is more comfortable if the city maintains the

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second and the third access which would cover the city

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for three hundred and fifty million loss per occurrence

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the total savings with accepting a five hundred thousand property

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self insured retention and just one access property policy as

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I said already would be three hundred ninety eight thousand

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eight twenty three plus tax at fifty nine thousand eight

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twenty three forty five so the total would be four

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hundred fifty eight thousand six forty six forty five

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the cost for the environmental policy thirty six thousand four

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oh four plus tax for a total of forty one

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thousand eight sixty four sixty is included in the above

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pricing it was agreed at the last meeting that this

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coverage is required to maintain coverage now which has been

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excluded from the primary commercial general liability policy to tell

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of the entire insurance program previously offered was two million

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five sixty one one eleven to tell them now with

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the recommended five hundred thousand self insured property retention is

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one million nine oh seven oh eight for the taxable

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amount is one million three out to five thirty seven

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and tax is a hundred ninety five thousand three eighty

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fifty five for a total of one million four ninety

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seven nine seventeen fifty five the auto is not taxable

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so the total for auto is six hundred four thousand

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five forty seven so for full program told we're looking

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at a premium of two million one oh two four

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sixty four fifty five and as you know this include

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St John's sports and entertainment limited and the St John's

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transportation commission

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so my recommendation today to council is to approve moving

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from a one hundred thousand deductible for its primary property

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insurance to a five hundred thousand self insured retention and

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purchase just one excess property policy this would result in

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a cost savings like I already said three hundred ninety

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eight thousand eight twenty three plus tax so the total

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savings to the city would be four and fifty eight

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thousand six forty six forty five

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questions thanks very much bye

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any comments questions

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thank you I have I just have a question I'm

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just trying to get some clarity around what the environmental

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policy actually covers I don't I don't really understand that

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section so just if you could just give a little

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bit more detail on what that coverage would entail

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and that's more for just general information purposes

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thank you

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okay set up property debt policy covers a

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... locations this owner occupied and operated and managed leased

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or rented by the named insured including but not limited

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to streets roadways right of way trails and parks within

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the jurisdictional boundaries of the named insured

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and and also close transportation and disposal site

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so basically what it no I wanted to call it

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covers is ... like off site cleanup costs and defense

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costs if there is any bodily injury or property damage

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discovered because of the spill in that kind of stuff

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and pollution

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... and ... to cover it even covers not upper

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upper covers operations like if you have to our credit

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job sites and are not own disposable sites in the

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city is brought into a lawsuit and stuff like that

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like it doesnt covered up to ten years exclusions it

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doesn't cover like asbestos or that kind of stuff committed

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to CVS what is medical oceans pollution and spill or

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like a group we've got all tanks and stuff kilogram

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yeah yeah thank you very much councillor student

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thank you Mr mayor just have a two questions I

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want to ask one is just to make sure

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understanding so

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the

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more on their end

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four hundred fifty thousand dollars roughly of savings is fundamentally

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because we are only going with the one access policy

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yes that we have and that will give us two

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hundred million dollars of coverage

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... and just bear with me while I look for

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the number here

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on the property value of one hundred eighty two million

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so we've we've estimated our property value to be a

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hundred maybe two million give or take and our coverage

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is up to two hundred million is that correct so

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what what what I mean but it is it's per

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occurrence time properly all of our properties worth over a

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billion dollars but if there should be one occurrence Hey

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it was a major and storm came in and or

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said it wasn't a better example probably be some kind

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of an explosion and starts a fire that takes over

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our street as so it's per occurrence it's not like

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if something and the next day and it wasn't related

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to that same storm then we got coverage there again

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okay yeah original so that's where I guess the number

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that I came up with now as you know and

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said they preferred that we take on the other to

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access to and I'm thinking watch day maybe taking office

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say you had does some content or can come through

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and that may not be just limited to go our

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street so do we take on the risk that

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that or can never just not going to be over

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two hundred million catches okay and my second question is

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about the ... I don't policy ... and I understand

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you rationale why you don't think it's worth us looking

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at the savings I'm just curious in terms of ...

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was there any consideration given by the insurance company and

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the ... decreased use I would assume the city would

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have on its vehicles and if that was factored

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and decrease you decrease use in terms of given called

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and stuff I I you know I see let's see

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city vehicles around ice on their less less miles being

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put on some of the vehicles I mean things like

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garbage and so on I'm sure still going on but

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there are other vehicles that I would expect parent being

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used as much I'm just I'm just wonder from amalgamation

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perspective the thousands George companies did take it into consideration

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and like some of the lower risk type like do

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your own props your own personal property insurance auto insurance

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they did start to take savings off but then they

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found out that they were ever more accidents because even

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though people were going to work they were going other

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places and their Russian hero she handled the accident rate

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was actually go to the road so

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we actually probably have more vehicles on at some points

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because we had to restrictions on how many can travel

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in a vehicle so you might have seen three pick

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ups attend to an issue rather than one as

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at certain times as an example where those insurance companies

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look at this as one off kind of circumstances right

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an overall rating they know that there could be an

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increase could be exactly try whenever possible to take into

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account all the risk management and goodness that's going on

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here in the city because right across every passing day

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everyone is very conscious and I gotta say they do

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work really well with me and we our clap at

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least to the fleet together ... you know dad the

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problem right now as I said in the last meeting

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is disco that is just created so much and hails

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forty insurance companies for business interruption and different and dangerous

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and those that do not are going to court

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so like this is a lot to do what was

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going on like I don't usually I got room to

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Aggie and I beat him to death so they does

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not sell and do something but and my room is

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pretty it's not there anymore because my arguments about their

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problems

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I'm good thank you yeah

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any further comments

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councillor Hickman that many regarding auto

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we have a fleet replacement the huge fault for that

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so I'm honored

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why would we not self insure completely if we're gonna

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replace things

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or two are we actually making that many to actually

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have that much need for insurance because we have so

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many claims every year how physical damage coverage is very

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cheap

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as the liability coverage just expensive all right and like

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we we carry fifteen million in total for our liability

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and the reason for that is

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in my opinion and like just use major bus is

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an example of one bus had some kind of a

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major catastrophe in everybody on board was seriously injured or

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killed it won't take long to eat up that money

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okay

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he further comments questions

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motion to a councillor Helen did you have anything

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also by by the end of the day thank you

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okay thanks

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we need a motion

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councillor Skinner seconded by councillor Collins

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any further comment just to let everybody know that we

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are experiencing some issues with the scribe that are or

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were correcting so if you're watching the stream and something

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happens you can see that we're aware of it more

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working through those issues here this morning

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we are part of worship

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pardon

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probably your fault you're working that's my fault as well

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big shoulders

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yes

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this this one that the insurance is time sensitive so

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we're going to do when you call on this later

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on this week because we need to have in place

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by the first November sure

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okay okay

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so call the question

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thank you

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your worship just out of curiosity have a question I'm

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the scribe today I'm seen abstain but I didn't see

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that Monday night get customization out for that hi do

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you have Stapleton is there in the case that somebody

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... declares a conflict of interest and we have conflict

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of interest rules after rat that are laid out so

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should somebody ... declare that they're in a conflict of

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interest councillor Greece and they can abstain at some point

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in speak to from another my apologies ... the of

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steam button has been removed from the regular and we'll

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remove from this as well because you can't you don't

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have the option to me that's a decision that is

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made once you you don't provide like you claim conflicts

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and then our solicitor decides whether or not you are

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actually in a conflict so we'll remove that we moved

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from the regular it was inadvertently left on the even

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better answer

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but it has been used in a virtually before which

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cause some issues

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the

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well

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motions carries buttons

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so nobody you councillor for

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I

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motions carries

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public works and sustainability revisions to the winter parking restrictions

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thank you so there's a lot in this no so

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I think it might make sense to go through them

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point five are not point break arts section by section

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... so we'll start with the first one and so

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this this there's a series of ideas in here on

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changes ... for winter parking restrictions for this Cup coming

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winter and the the overall rationale as to

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I enable better more efficient snow clearing them so the

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achieve in different ways so the first the first possibility

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to discuss and there is a revised the start date

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of the winter on street parking restrictions ... to begin

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on December first each year they're normally implemented in January

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on a

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on the TV date ... each year and ... that

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causes sat public confusion and if we get an early

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storm we either have to call the parking restriction in

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early which would then have to make sure people know

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about ... and then it still ends up being that

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vehicles are are are parked around which causes at significant

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destruction for snow clearing vehicles ... so that's that's what

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I have to say to present the idea ... and

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just ... lean on staff if they have anything to

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add an additional that before we start discussing

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so we will we take each one of those um

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independently and and discuss them I think I don't think

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they're reliant on each other actor separate issues adding it'll

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get too complex if we start to layer on top

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of yep so the first one is revising start date

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... to December first each year currently ... we try

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... if the weather cooperates to get to just after

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Christmas to implement

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Lynette so I just wanna add that that just add

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to audiences that ... yeah so the past ... maybe

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at a past five years I think it's been about

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four times we've had to implement this early ... and

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it does cause a bit of a scramble for staff

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and for the public as they're not a they may

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not be expecting it ... we don't have the staff

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... normally hired to do the the ticketing or the

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monitoring and ... it means that ... snow clearing staff

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have to repeatedly go back to streets to try and

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get the snow push back to the curb ... it's

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also a scramble for communication staff to trying get a

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message of because the decision is usually made the day

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of or the day before as that weather forecast sometimes

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does does change a lot so what that's the rationale

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behind it moving it to December first the other thing

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I'd like to mention as a stated in the notice

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that the Serb municipalities surrounding us do this so it's

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it's not a ... it's it's kind of ... industry

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best practice to get ahead of this and have it

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have it be implemented before you get ... before the

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weather is calling for significance now

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any comments councillor Skinner your worship I have to

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issues I wish to raise the first is just in

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terms of ... is it a ...

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well I know it's a cost implication because we're gonna

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be bringing parking enforcement staff scene I'm just wondering as

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to some number that we've sat identified in terms of

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how much extra does this cost us my first question

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and my second one is in terms of the force

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meant of the parking ban do we show any flexibility

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now this winter maybe a different went to recall it

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but this people are celebrating Christmas and some as part

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of the house there's no snow do we still go

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up and take it or is twenty flexibility around this

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we have this as I said earlier we we have

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in the past not put it in place so ...

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deputy city manager of public works has has latitude to

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put in place if the system more if the situation

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warrants right

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so what we've done is we haven't done is on

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this was now as has been done unless it was

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necessary

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... we can bring in the in December first means

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that from different December first down the parking bans in

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place so that would apply over Christmas as well

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I think that's that that's part of it in terms

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of the cost there's I don't know what the cost

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will be Mr senior women

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there will there will be a revenue offset from a

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to B. because there's tickets being issued for

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so ... I'll just finish up by saying that I

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think from from a public perception perspective ... I suspect

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there will be a lot of people who with we

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do have a Louise December ... number of us around

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this table would be getting lots of calls you know

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the parking enforcement ... police would be out and you

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know my

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recollection is that that's still very negatively by the public

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seem to be sort of a cash grab our tax

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grab when were enforcing something that doesn't need to be

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enforced so I just raise it as a as an

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issue yeah here in the chamber my experience is that

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if we have snow it's okay if there's no snow

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on the ground and you can park on the street

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and it's not okay and over the past number of

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years when I first came on council there was a

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lot of complaints about this ... as in the last

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couple of years it's gotten better because people have begun

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to understand the system and that's why I'm reluctant to

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change the system because the one we have now although

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it has challenges to

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thurs sat it's it's changing something that I think the

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public has accustomed itself to ... but I understand the

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reason for doing that too so it's a it's a

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balance that you're trying to find her deputy mayor

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yeah I would kind of liken it to playing a

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game of whack a mole Leslie and because the it's

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it's about consistency and I think what folks from my

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vantage point honestly communications is really they the key factor

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here and I know that our communications department certainly scramble

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to try to get that message out but not everybody

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is tuned in on a daily basis and so what

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does week a lot of havoc when we have these

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inconsistencies ... so you know I I have a general

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tendency to you know nail it down I understand that

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they're going to be good days and bad days but

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we are not and meteorologists and and we just need

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to have a consistent plan to ensure that the public

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know what to expect and then so that's it you

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know that's that's my basic concern is making sure that

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everybody understands that the public is fully aware and that's

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a real challenge for communications department so I see the

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I see the intent thank you

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your worship

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and just second councillor Hickman then you councillor animal let

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me see what

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semi solo what I feel about this no no

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this is really important especially this winter people need to

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get together in our small groups and you know Christmas

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is going to be the last chance for them to

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do that really I would suggest a suspect

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over the winter and unless we had a surprise have

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a surprise strongly we had last year on Christmas Eve

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you know quite often we get through Christmas and quite

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easily with just another a modicum modest amount of plowing

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eccentric and all this and allows people to get together

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is good for people's mental health you know to see

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their family and close friends already concerned about that this

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year this is not what you're doing me considering this

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and understand you know if it's easier for us but

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we're not about us no it's about the people city

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and are reading and you know that everybody that everybody

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drinks are really when they go out one person would

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probably drive or at a Christmas party ... from the

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twentieth of December until seconder so January and I really

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feel for those people and I think it's really important

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I I say I would like to see status quo

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the government

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councillor

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all cancer sorry about that councillor

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well don't worry that I'm on the same lines as

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councillor Hickman I can't see implemented this in December your

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worship back in it's going to be a special card

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for all of us ... this year give independently giving

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the small group of people than whatever given that we're

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going to do I'd like to see that goes on

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the attack very witcher I think that December because stressed

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for people and there's a lot of times we don't

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know the communications factor mean we're used to this is

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the way the dog for a long time so I

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think the public is aware that there may be a

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stormy they may have to get her at her about

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the road well maybe more concentration around that the ...

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communication piece but being living in that area being bored

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councillor and councillor at large I would not recommend changing

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this definitely not put his number first with respect to

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connect with there's no snow on the ground we all

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know that we get severity that

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because it's about the people that that that I don't

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even know what we're looking for specific parts of town

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I think we're gonna be rebuilding at that at the

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whole thank you

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okay so just just to be clear this number one

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applies outside the downtown not not the not the downtown

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downtowns number two

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but ... yeah yes it was likely that you're referring

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to the area outside downtown as well thank

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councillor court

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thank you worship ... I'm on the fence with this

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but I'm certainly leaning towards not bring that in the

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summer don't throw any I mean that

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that's what these things are here now so she can't

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does that mean ... quick couple quick points when is

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the city guide to city guide would be gone out

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for this time of year till Christmas my right around

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that is to council leader should know but

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so

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so there's another

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thank god goes out at the end of November okay

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as for okay so

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it would go the independent of amber and that's assuming

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people seen it for December first so that timing could

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be looking at right now thanks ... I mean your

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communications our understanding be scrambling but they're sent out the

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same message they would send out for the last five

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years changing the date so I don't think that's too

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onerous on them obviously I just think to the city

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alerts that we have through email through people sign up

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for the alerts on our phones and what not along

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with councillors Facebook groups the community groups I know I'm

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in about a dozen you're not gonna reach everybody I

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understand that but I think as we've been on this

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... remember years people are Startin and they do know

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that once was a snowstorm in December that they can

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park on the street obviously it will be a few

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that will be able to reach be reached but I

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don't know I don't bring the same kind of what

521
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:07,300
councillor Hickman said about you know the Christmas time coming

522
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,570
in there and

523
00:31:08,570 --> 00:31:10,150
not a you know if you've got a single car

524
00:31:10,150 --> 00:31:13,450
driveway a couple double car driveway you're essentially saying people

525
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,510
can't come visit or they can visit the waiting only

526
00:31:15,510 --> 00:31:17,090
one so I don't on the fence but I'm certainly

527
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:19,110
leaning towards ...

528
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:24,690
keep it on for January 1

529
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:27,720
thank you I am I am leaning towards moving into

530
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:32,210
the summer first and the reasons for that being

531
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:36,350
... I know there'd be a level of additional pain

532
00:31:36,410 --> 00:31:40,980
if we don't get a snow storm in December ...

533
00:31:41,090 --> 00:31:43,420
and the rules still in place but four of the

534
00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:47,690
past five seasons we've actually still brought in earlier

535
00:31:47,690 --> 00:31:51,130
and then January so does if you look at the

536
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:53,710
last five seasons eighty does natives a chance going to

537
00:31:53,710 --> 00:31:56,980
be put in place anyway for that same period of

538
00:31:56,980 --> 00:32:00,860
time ... so to me this

539
00:32:00,860 --> 00:32:04,220
because of because there's a significant chance rendering it anyways

540
00:32:04,550 --> 00:32:07,420
... and it is a real problem when there's many

541
00:32:07,420 --> 00:32:10,360
vehicles parked on streets we get

542
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,570
I suggest we get as many concerns about the supply

543
00:32:13,570 --> 00:32:17,120
was having to weave around in doing at any ...

544
00:32:17,150 --> 00:32:20,440
subpar job having to return into a clearing we get

545
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,890
as many concerns complaints but that as we will about

546
00:32:23,510 --> 00:32:26,310
the pain of of that have an additional parking role

547
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:29,460
earlier in the year and I think the the the

548
00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:32,550
balance I would like to see better snow clearing those

549
00:32:32,550 --> 00:32:35,790
cases and especially since odds are we have an eighty

550
00:32:35,790 --> 00:32:39,250
percent chance putting in place early in any case

551
00:32:39,250 --> 00:32:41,750
... I think it's it's much easier to put tap

552
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:45,610
consistent rules in place for so that people can understand

553
00:32:45,900 --> 00:32:47,600
what rules are in place and what how they can

554
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,220
behave and I think

555
00:32:49,220 --> 00:32:51,730
odds are Christmas parties are going to be smaller this

556
00:32:51,730 --> 00:32:54,600
year anyway so that there'd be a less of a

557
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,780
demand again that's a that's what sort of got call

558
00:32:56,780 --> 00:33:01,350
on my own observations ...

559
00:33:01,350 --> 00:33:03,960
that's right so that's that's a that's where I'm leaning

560
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:06,280
I think I think the balance is is to the

561
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,750
benefit and considering where you we do it most years

562
00:33:08,750 --> 00:33:12,230
in any case ... and maybe I guess Christmas might

563
00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:14,280
be the the

564
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,710
that holiday season it might be the main pain point

565
00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:19,290
but I'm wondering if there's a as an interesting compromise

566
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:21,260
of the fifteenth of December so there's a bit of

567
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:25,340
extra time ... in there ... so that might that

568
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:28,550
might help them get rid of some concerns

569
00:33:28,550 --> 00:33:31,270
I think the whole discussion here seems to be around

570
00:33:31,270 --> 00:33:34,610
consistency and I think that's my point would be inconsistent

571
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:37,250
with being consistent over the past number of years and

572
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:40,420
I think that the public understands our system and our

573
00:33:40,420 --> 00:33:43,510
system is is that we will if we need the

574
00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:48,160
parking ban before ... the ... date January comes around

575
00:33:48,670 --> 00:33:51,110
then we will issue a notice that because of the

576
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:54,500
snow on the ground which which you can see is

577
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:57,880
it is a visual ... enforcement that we need to

578
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,780
put the parking ban in place ... and I can

579
00:34:00,780 --> 00:34:03,340
guarantee if we move December first we won't have snow

580
00:34:03,340 --> 00:34:07,500
in December sold may work may be worth it they

581
00:34:07,500 --> 00:34:11,060
well as a I think if if consistency is what

582
00:34:11,060 --> 00:34:14,060
we're looking for that's why we've gotten in the past

583
00:34:14,060 --> 00:34:16,810
couple of years we've we we should continue to work

584
00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:20,320
on that consistent message that we're gonna try to keep

585
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,270
the parking ban off till January but if the situation

586
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:26,310
warrants that we do is we'll have to do it

587
00:34:26,310 --> 00:34:29,260
quickly and I think that's a communication message we should

588
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,050
reinforce my opinion so I'll be supporting status quo as

589
00:34:33,050 --> 00:34:34,200
well

590
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,010
councillor statement yeah I'm hoping to because most of the

591
00:34:38,010 --> 00:34:42,350
emails thanks in that that I got last Christmas was

592
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,180
Christmas season and people come in and family's company Informatica

593
00:34:47,180 --> 00:34:51,590
L. and have no where to park and it's

594
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:55,210
you know it's Christmas season people need especially this year

595
00:34:55,530 --> 00:34:58,130
they need to did they need to contact and they

596
00:34:58,130 --> 00:35:01,490
need to family so I won't be so ... sports

597
00:35:01,490 --> 00:35:04,930
changed to December first I'm as we go for you

598
00:35:04,930 --> 00:35:08,790
know every year around the fourth of January that we

599
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:11,960
change it you know is that our December first and

600
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,980
even then it if so happen the

601
00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:16,780
we need to put a name we can but I

602
00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:19,490
would prefer a set date for January

603
00:35:19,490 --> 00:35:23,910
in December as a coach general don't

604
00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:27,600
yes your worship other gods or January dunking when we

605
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:31,170
don't putting American band is there any way you'd like

606
00:35:31,170 --> 00:35:34,430
to we can give the public a week's notice like

607
00:35:34,430 --> 00:35:37,700
given a warning ticket or something because of that when

608
00:35:37,700 --> 00:35:40,040
you bring an end and there are a lot of

609
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,380
people get to take reporter realizes that scene so if

610
00:35:43,380 --> 00:35:46,250
you put into practice you know you should give give

611
00:35:46,250 --> 00:35:49,540
people a week and that good morning taken and then

612
00:35:49,540 --> 00:35:52,740
after a week of say or recommends you know what

613
00:35:52,740 --> 00:35:55,340
that is anymore you know because let me get stone

614
00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:58,200
a ticket and they don't realize the disease you know

615
00:35:58,330 --> 00:36:00,600
I think that's the challenge with the whole thing is

616
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,120
that these there's storms give you little little notice of

617
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,360
when they're when they're coming so it has and it

618
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,120
happens quickly act to lack to do that so that's

619
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,950
why that's the challenge with this if this was something

620
00:36:12,950 --> 00:36:15,860
that you could have that you could say okay in

621
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:18,460
two weeks time are going to have a

622
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:20,320
at an event that we're going to need to bring

623
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:23,130
parking I mean that would be different but it's usually

624
00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:26,500
a twenty four hour to forty eight hours ... at

625
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:30,050
issue and this some people will get caught and that's

626
00:36:30,050 --> 00:36:32,280
and that's that's the balance that we have to find

627
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,040
in this

628
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,230
deputy mayor

629
00:36:37,230 --> 00:36:39,430
I have no certainly after hearing to some of you

630
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:42,850
point say I I certainly do agree that the consistency

631
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:46,600
is certainly has been has been if you know in

632
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,270
place

633
00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:50,280
the one thing that I would caution is that you

634
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
know we're not in normal times there isn't it nothing

635
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,910
consistent right now we're in the middle of a pandemic

636
00:36:55,290 --> 00:36:58,750
and I certainly would caution that we should be a

637
00:36:58,750 --> 00:37:04,890
strong voice to encourage and continued S. safety precautions as

638
00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:07,360
we interest Christmas season the last thing that any of

639
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,450
us wants to see is that ... another wave and

640
00:37:11,450 --> 00:37:15,190
happen and over the Christmas season when people of course

641
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:18,350
you know ... ... in their festivities they may have

642
00:37:18,350 --> 00:37:20,650
a drink they may forget to you know that would

643
00:37:20,650 --> 00:37:22,600
you know the here and then the now with a

644
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,320
pandemic so I think that you know it's all of

645
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,790
us can put on that cap of knowing that as

646
00:37:27,790 --> 00:37:30,720
much as we obviously want to see our families and

647
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,440
we do have our bubbles ... I think it's an

648
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,050
important reminder for us all to continue sending out that

649
00:37:37,050 --> 00:37:40,540
message of safety around that secret round that season in

650
00:37:40,540 --> 00:37:43,450
that time frame that because we're not living in consistent

651
00:37:43,450 --> 00:37:46,880
or normal times right now but I do take the

652
00:37:46,910 --> 00:37:49,410
comments or any of my colleagues here today ... the

653
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:51,810
guarding the practices that I've certainly happened over the past

654
00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:55,370
couple years how that sound unveils and it so well

655
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,910
yeah I'm willing to keep reconsider thank you

656
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:02,960
did you have come

657
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:04,660
okay

658
00:38:04,660 --> 00:38:08,400
so if someone wishes to make a motion councillor Perot

659
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,020
did you wanna

660
00:38:10,020 --> 00:38:12,290
make a motion hang up I make a motion it'll

661
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:15,090
be a feeling motion so might be someone better for

662
00:38:15,090 --> 00:38:17,540
someone else to answer it gone it's like he's going

663
00:38:17,540 --> 00:38:22,640
to make a motion

664
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,110
K. C. start of the

665
00:38:26,110 --> 00:38:29,990
seconded by councillor Stapleton

666
00:38:29,990 --> 00:38:33,400
any further comment

667
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:44,390
call the question

668
00:39:30,010 --> 00:39:37,550
so everybody have the

669
00:39:37,550 --> 00:39:40,110
motions carries 8 to one

670
00:39:40,110 --> 00:39:42,600
your

671
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,240


672
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,120
seconds

673
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,350
extend the over nice

674
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:55,290
irking banners outside the downtown

675
00:39:55,290 --> 00:39:59,210
M. so they says sorry

676
00:39:59,210 --> 00:40:01,850
I can later okay

677
00:40:01,850 --> 00:40:04,440
go ahead so this is and this will be a

678
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,090
temporary twenty four hour parking restriction and so in this

679
00:40:08,090 --> 00:40:10,480
case parking will not be permitted on any street outside

680
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,950
the downtown and a business just a district during a

681
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:17,510
storm and for the twenty four hours thereafter so

682
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:20,890
... it would be enforced upon a declaration by the

683
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:24,350
the DCM a public works when operationally required

684
00:40:24,350 --> 00:40:27,300
and so what it what it would enable is or

685
00:40:27,300 --> 00:40:30,520
what it would want would be is so

686
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,340
... right now we have correct me if I'm incorrect

687
00:40:34,370 --> 00:40:35,970
in laying this out so right now we have a

688
00:40:35,970 --> 00:40:40,620
night time parking ban ... as of one is declared

689
00:40:40,620 --> 00:40:44,270
or early January as we just decided

690
00:40:44,270 --> 00:40:48,540
... that's during the night time this would do it

691
00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:51,660
... have tension in the daytime as well because it

692
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:55,440
triggers while it's snowing for significant storm and for twenty

693
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:59,260
four hours thereafter so that it gives snow clearing crews

694
00:40:59,260 --> 00:41:03,490
the opportunity of of staff open streets to clear snow

695
00:41:03,490 --> 00:41:05,790
that makes sense yeah so it's so it's on the

696
00:41:05,790 --> 00:41:08,800
vent basis if if there's a situation in which the

697
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,240
deputy city manager of sector needs to be a banner

698
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,160
parking during the daytime hours yeah then they can do

699
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,440
that yeah deputy city manager yeah so just expand on

700
00:41:19,470 --> 00:41:23,210
the ins explanation there would which was accurate so basically

701
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:26,220
and this is this is industry best practices well so

702
00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:30,980
any time there is any event ... we would add

703
00:41:31,010 --> 00:41:34,110
advertised that the there's going to be a twenty four

704
00:41:34,110 --> 00:41:36,930
hour parking ban in effect for areas outside the downtown

705
00:41:36,930 --> 00:41:40,650
supposed to places that have the overnight parking ban and

706
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:43,550
we would extend it for a twenty four hour period

707
00:41:43,550 --> 00:41:48,320
after and this coincides with our service timelines and it

708
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,420
would ... enable snow clearing crews to more efficiently clear

709
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:54,310
we make sure we get to push back to the

710
00:41:54,310 --> 00:41:59,060
curb a lot master it would eliminate multiple runs which

711
00:41:59,060 --> 00:42:01,430
is a complaint we sometimes get right you came up

712
00:42:01,430 --> 00:42:03,870
our street you didn't cleared effectively you have to come

713
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:06,270
back ... so some people complain that we're not there

714
00:42:06,270 --> 00:42:08,660
enough some people complain that we're there too much this

715
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:11,670
will help us be more efficient in our operations to

716
00:42:11,670 --> 00:42:14,510
achieve a final push back within twenty four hour period

717
00:42:14,510 --> 00:42:18,110
what occurs ... impeding operations

718
00:42:18,110 --> 00:42:20,270
all right I think that's a good idea I think

719
00:42:20,270 --> 00:42:23,190
if I think it's a good idea that our staff

720
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:26,990
have that ability indeed when it's warranted to be able

721
00:42:26,990 --> 00:42:30,590
to do that no problems supporting them

722
00:42:30,590 --> 00:42:33,650
councillor Hickman yeah I just wanna make clear more support

723
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:38,030
for this command is winter for her progressive thinking on

724
00:42:38,030 --> 00:42:40,410
this and you know what happened during a pandemic of

725
00:42:40,410 --> 00:42:43,720
it was brilliant that was great move and keep everybody

726
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:47,410
else trees when needed again communications is deputy mayor mentioned

727
00:42:47,410 --> 00:42:50,330
will be key on this but even against most of

728
00:42:50,330 --> 00:42:54,020
the people lazy most people will be huge health so

729
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,200
well done this winter

730
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,100
councillor Skinner your worship I just I have a couple

731
00:43:02,100 --> 00:43:05,150
questions one is the ... trigger tennis is I see

732
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:08,640
it is five centimeters ... and I'm just wonder do

733
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,960
we have any idea as to how often in the

734
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,750
past we've had five centimeters is this something that would

735
00:43:13,750 --> 00:43:15,870
be you know once the line is there something that

736
00:43:15,870 --> 00:43:18,190
happens twice a week three times a week do we

737
00:43:18,190 --> 00:43:22,460
have any ideas to that

738
00:43:22,460 --> 00:43:24,440
sorry

739
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,890
basically the intent is this is anytime there's any significant

740
00:43:28,290 --> 00:43:31,220
or watching use were significant like to five centimeters as

741
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:34,150
a guideline if we have to do plowing operations work

742
00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:37,780
the intent is to ... implement this so if you

743
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:40,280
know if we need to send out ... cruised to

744
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,530
do it we would want to do this is and

745
00:43:42,530 --> 00:43:46,620
the intent is to improve efficiencies

746
00:43:46,620 --> 00:43:49,540
so so we're gonna do is not based on five

747
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:51,340
centimeters when I'm there and I don't know where to

748
00:43:51,340 --> 00:43:55,290
five centimeters sense and nonsense five so

749
00:43:55,290 --> 00:43:58,570
I read it my understanding was yeah

750
00:43:58,570 --> 00:44:01,330
the intent is is that it will we didn't want

751
00:44:01,330 --> 00:44:05,870
to get into a specific number to add to be

752
00:44:05,870 --> 00:44:08,930
advertising to the residents as it will cause confusion and

753
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:12,530
also then the ... and Cheryl may be able to

754
00:44:12,530 --> 00:44:14,580
speak to this better but in discussions with the legal

755
00:44:14,580 --> 00:44:17,940
department it would cause confusion and then people would potentially

756
00:44:17,940 --> 00:44:20,470
be able to contest any tickets that they received and

757
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:21,960
you will be able to argue over the fact of

758
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,750
what a five centimeter spell what forecast you were looking

759
00:44:24,750 --> 00:44:27,650
at environment Canada's if five maybe a mix it's something

760
00:44:27,650 --> 00:44:30,120
different and it could cause a lot of confusion so

761
00:44:30,410 --> 00:44:34,380
the way we would ... I guess inform residents about

762
00:44:34,380 --> 00:44:36,070
that is we will make an announcement and we don't

763
00:44:36,070 --> 00:44:38,230
want to tie it to any amount but I can't

764
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:42,010
say that it is the the ... we want to

765
00:44:42,010 --> 00:44:44,440
call it any time we have to plow so five

766
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,820
centimeters and up would be a good base that you

767
00:44:46,820 --> 00:44:49,270
would do would use

768
00:44:49,270 --> 00:44:52,880
I thank you in my second point is when we

769
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,450
talk about plowing or clearing an area outside of the

770
00:44:56,450 --> 00:45:00,160
downtown we're looking at restricting on street parking for twenty

771
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
thought twenty four hours after you to clear it my

772
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:05,800
question is how long does it take for the routes

773
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,010
to be cleared

774
00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:13,160
our service timeline right now is ... we guarantee one

775
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,400
cut within twelve hours and full widening down within twenty

776
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,080
four so we sync that up to line up with

777
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,200
our current timelines

778
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,940
councillor for this one at a point of that it's

779
00:45:24,940 --> 00:45:26,970
it's twenty four hours after the end of the storm

780
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,570
route twenty four hours from the point of decoration so

781
00:45:29,570 --> 00:45:31,580
if the storm lasted for thirty six hours it will

782
00:45:31,580 --> 00:45:33,900
be during those thirty six hours plus the twenty four

783
00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:37,710
hours following because the service standard ... timeline kicks in

784
00:45:37,740 --> 00:45:39,460
by the end of the store

785
00:45:39,460 --> 00:45:42,020
just wanna clarify that because already a little bit differently

786
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,810
the five centimeters is kind of the the trigger where

787
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:48,600
you have the option to do

788
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,450
but it's not

789
00:45:50,450 --> 00:45:55,050
given that at five centimeters that you would put this

790
00:45:55,050 --> 00:45:58,790
in place as a

791
00:45:58,790 --> 00:46:00,870
no I guess it to be an operational decision it

792
00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:02,920
would be a it would be a council decision it

793
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,240
would be an operational decision right and I mean the

794
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,400
reality is here in St John's ... I don't see

795
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,520
very many five centimeters that's right I means ... yeah

796
00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:14,150
right is generally about ten so you know anytime that

797
00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:15,920
we're getting full crews to go out and do it

798
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,450
that's the intent that we would do it is not

799
00:46:17,450 --> 00:46:19,870
a forget a few flurries overnight that's not the intent

800
00:46:20,130 --> 00:46:22,560
right if the intent is anytime we're getting a system

801
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,960
coming through St John's that we need to do we

802
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,520
in full operational

803
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,760
it works yes councillor Hanlon

804
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,700
yeah I would probably agree with what and I have

805
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:39,140
a problem well they didn't I think the plan and

806
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:42,230
if you do that very realistic given out rather than

807
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:45,750
harassment but before I would be more respectable Robert voted

808
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:49,680
yes for this war thank you

809
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,140
deputy mayor

810
00:46:51,140 --> 00:46:53,590
thank you Mr mayor yeah no I agree I think

811
00:46:53,590 --> 00:46:56,110
that this is excellent because obviously it gives start the

812
00:46:56,110 --> 00:46:59,220
staff and and you know an extra bit of time

813
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:01,640
of course to do proper cleaning so I guess my

814
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,990
question is we do you M. and for the city

815
00:47:04,990 --> 00:47:08,450
management deputy city manager ... did you see that this

816
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:12,740
could have any positive ramifications over the sidewalk snow clearing

817
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:15,730
issue I'm just wondering because of course this is going

818
00:47:15,730 --> 00:47:17,050
to help

819
00:47:17,050 --> 00:47:20,050
... in terms of the cleaning for the streets after

820
00:47:20,050 --> 00:47:24,470
storm but does it have any impact whatsoever on sidewalks

821
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:28,880
thank you

822
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,280
I mean any time if ... if cars are parked

823
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,630
on the street it then there's ... you know there

824
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:38,620
is there it is easier to clear sidewalks as well

825
00:47:38,620 --> 00:47:42,000
because you're not in the areas outside of the downtown

826
00:47:42,030 --> 00:47:45,370
you know we're we're this would be implemented I'm just

827
00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:47,520
because you're you're not concerned about heating the cars right

828
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,310
you got a little bit more ... space to to

829
00:47:50,310 --> 00:47:56,840
operate ... but overall it's mainly a ... street it's

830
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,780
it prevents a multiple

831
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:03,010
about runs through areas yeah exactly you're we even in

832
00:48:03,010 --> 00:48:04,640
and around the cars and then you have to come

833
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,040
back and try and pick a time when the cars

834
00:48:07,070 --> 00:48:09,480
aren't there in order to clear out the snow this

835
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:13,030
left yeah so it eliminates that it's it's similar to

836
00:48:13,030 --> 00:48:16,990
the ... to the bad downtown business tricks district one

837
00:48:16,990 --> 00:48:18,810
more from four to six you're not allowed to park

838
00:48:18,810 --> 00:48:20,640
there and that gives so then from four to six

839
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,000
we make sure operators are in the downtown area to

840
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,800
push back to snow there to parking spaces so this

841
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,190
is what this does in the rest of the city

842
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:30,830
but it it's it's in our normal operations if that

843
00:48:30,830 --> 00:48:33,210
makes sense some cases it may cut down on the

844
00:48:33,210 --> 00:48:36,040
filling in of the sidewalks because the plows come through

845
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,890
there twice instead of three times if they can get

846
00:48:38,890 --> 00:48:43,060
it done then it might prevent that part

847
00:48:43,060 --> 00:48:45,770
yeah so that was exactly what I was kind of

848
00:48:45,870 --> 00:48:48,150
yeah I could go on for here that there may

849
00:48:48,150 --> 00:48:50,510
be slight improvements as a result of that council front

850
00:48:50,510 --> 00:48:52,720
you have a

851
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,910
great minds think alike

852
00:48:54,910 --> 00:48:59,490
fools seldom differ

853
00:48:59,490 --> 00:49:02,370
councillor Collins

854
00:49:02,370 --> 00:49:05,750
issuers are allowing go around it should not

855
00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:09,390
... the global gift for but I think we should

856
00:49:09,390 --> 00:49:12,340
revisit revisited they around you know but we have a

857
00:49:12,340 --> 00:49:16,480
to the winter and CEO Cialis works because you know

858
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,640
it the problem's going your street and it's clear you

859
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,160
know you you feel like you got it cracked or

860
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,150
you don't mean to like I I can see just

861
00:49:24,770 --> 00:49:27,120
a lot of people get tickets you know so I

862
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,560
don't know I agree with that now but I think

863
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,280
we should revisit after see how much of a backlash

864
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,150
we get you know

865
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:36,100
look at it after a few storms out of work

866
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:38,790
so good I keep saying you know we're so good

867
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:43,410
relievers but if not we can that okay the real

868
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:46,740
the real test of a B. you know how it

869
00:49:46,740 --> 00:49:51,390
affects the operations of you know over

870
00:49:51,390 --> 00:49:54,100
yep and you know that will be that will be

871
00:49:54,100 --> 00:49:57,160
to test them I also have trusted the staff that

872
00:49:57,340 --> 00:50:00,210
we were going to use their discretion or just

873
00:50:00,210 --> 00:50:03,740
yeah yeah I go alone but if I may bring

874
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:05,780
it up in the middle of winter I'm I'm sure

875
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:07,790
you will councillor Collins

876
00:50:07,790 --> 00:50:10,590
councillor Korab yeah this is the point you made your

877
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:12,610
worship I was gonna say is that you know are

878
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:16,070
forced to take enforcement officers have the discretion so if

879
00:50:16,070 --> 00:50:18,070
it's a street that you're technically not allowed to park

880
00:50:18,070 --> 00:50:20,090
on but we're clear back to the curb and let's

881
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:21,970
face it the plow will be should be and will

882
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:24,880
be by again you know that's a communication them to

883
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:27,150
have some leniency so I think that's something we can

884
00:50:27,150 --> 00:50:29,680
do it could cause some confusion obviously one day you

885
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,020
didn't get a ticket then the next week you did

886
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:34,050
get a ticket because a small so it can keep

887
00:50:34,050 --> 00:50:35,570
using but I guess is the point of it that

888
00:50:35,570 --> 00:50:38,640
are taking office and have some discretion

889
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,900
not ticket if necessary during the day when people are

890
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:46,080
going to work in and and cursor error error out

891
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,290
of the out of the area and on my street

892
00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:53,410
which is pretty typical city street outside the downtown and

893
00:50:53,410 --> 00:50:55,690
there's very few cars parked on the street during the

894
00:50:55,690 --> 00:50:59,330
daytime I think other people are living councillor Hickman councillor

895
00:50:59,330 --> 00:51:02,720
Skinner that would say the same you know and you

896
00:51:02,720 --> 00:51:05,050
know it's not a it's not a huge issue and

897
00:51:05,050 --> 00:51:09,890
if if you can improve by by encouraging that day

898
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:13,390
and ... I think it's a good use ... who's

899
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:17,970
next Sir councillor quicker councillor Korab brings up a good

900
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:20,010
point about discretion

901
00:51:20,010 --> 00:51:23,390
I was told many times over the years about that

902
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:25,690
when there was no snow on the ground during January

903
00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:28,310
or February now and then that there is no discretion

904
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,340
tickets are given out and ... wondered if ... we

905
00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:42,170
have a comment on that city solicitor

906
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:44,080
is there an option to say no here we go

907
00:51:44,110 --> 00:51:47,350
... ... I guess I just purpose my comments I'm

908
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:50,760
always where you talk about important procedures in a public

909
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,540
meeting as it tends to be legal advice given

910
00:51:53,540 --> 00:51:56,150
the council ... but I will tell you as a

911
00:51:56,150 --> 00:52:00,240
general proposition that all officers when assessing the situation deciding

912
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,040
on whether to issue a ticket have discretion ... to

913
00:52:04,070 --> 00:52:06,370
look at all the circumstances and determine whether there is

914
00:52:06,370 --> 00:52:09,260
a violation that is appropriate ... for ticket to be

915
00:52:09,260 --> 00:52:12,710
issued

916
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:16,950
next question

917
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:19,930
when an ad England and had a comment there before

918
00:52:20,540 --> 00:52:22,510
well I do I just wanna make sure that we're

919
00:52:22,510 --> 00:52:27,510
clear that ... this is the this pointer this thing

920
00:52:27,510 --> 00:52:32,010
or this twenty four hour parking ban would apply whenever

921
00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:34,690
it was declared operationally so that could mean if we

922
00:52:34,690 --> 00:52:38,060
get a snowstorm next week it comes into effect actually

923
00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:41,190
right and so it also takes into account December so

924
00:52:41,220 --> 00:52:44,800
last last Christmas for example you know it started to

925
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,290
snow on Christmas Eve it didn't stop till sometime in

926
00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:49,020
March

927
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:51,100
alright so if there is a potential for when we

928
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:53,940
get back to back storms that these compounds and I

929
00:52:53,940 --> 00:52:56,960
just want to make sure that that's understood I think

930
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,370
everybody understands that I I think we we I think

931
00:53:00,370 --> 00:53:03,800
we're trying to find a balance here between operationally being

932
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,610
able to keep the city moving and ... you know

933
00:53:08,610 --> 00:53:11,300
but at the same time if the need is not

934
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:15,850
there being able to keep things moving moving as well

935
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:20,430
not being ... over overbearing on the whole thing so

936
00:53:20,750 --> 00:53:23,340
I I think finding the striking that balance is a

937
00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:25,990
challenge but it's one that we need to do our

938
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:28,410
best to strike

939
00:53:28,410 --> 00:53:29,880
councillor for a

940
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240
as one other piece to to consider within this that

941
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:34,510
so I had a several conversations leading up to this

942
00:53:34,510 --> 00:53:38,450
moment I thank businesspeople one one of the titular was

943
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:41,570
with the contractor so in a few neighborhoods there's significant

944
00:53:41,570 --> 00:53:44,230
developments ... and in camera terrace or significant structure and

945
00:53:44,430 --> 00:53:47,980
happening and and a twenty four hour ... restriction could

946
00:53:47,980 --> 00:53:51,700
be quite significant for them ... so it's something well

947
00:53:51,700 --> 00:53:54,170
I think all they'll be difficult to put exceptions in

948
00:53:54,170 --> 00:53:56,080
place but it's something we'll have to keep an eye

949
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,910
to as we go forward on whether it's ... too

950
00:53:59,910 --> 00:54:01,710
big of a pain in those areas or maybe it's

951
00:54:01,710 --> 00:54:04,190
the fourth when officers providing some discretion in the way

952
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:06,850
if there's a house under construction in the area ...

953
00:54:06,850 --> 00:54:11,750
just something to honor in relation to this

954
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:15,490
any further comment

955
00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:28,020
so the council for any making that motion the second

956
00:54:28,020 --> 00:54:29,310
sort of

957
00:54:29,310 --> 00:54:32,110
drumlins up you know from

958
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:42,410
yeah

959
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,100
let's hope we never have to use any of those

960
00:54:49,100 --> 00:55:00,050
parking pass ...

961
00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:16,240
also

962
00:55:16,240 --> 00:55:18,860
a source

963
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:22,590
motion's carried 9 to 0

964
00:55:22,590 --> 00:55:27,490
number three councillor for out thank you M. downtown winter

965
00:55:27,490 --> 00:55:30,980
parking restrictions on this one

966
00:55:30,980 --> 00:55:34,300
excuse me so downtown winter parking restrictions only utilized on

967
00:55:34,300 --> 00:55:36,740
the street is scheduled for snow removal operations and the

968
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:40,090
restrictions in effect twelve thirty AM to seven thirty AM

969
00:55:40,090 --> 00:55:44,430
currently at the city's so that's the parking restriction the

970
00:55:44,430 --> 00:55:47,830
city snow removal operations actually begin at ten eleven PM

971
00:55:48,290 --> 00:55:51,160
and because of that our to have window ... vehicles

972
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,410
are often still parked on the street ... so crews

973
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,810
find that also find the traffic calming traffic volume sorry

974
00:55:58,170 --> 00:56:00,760
is increasing earlier in the morning and it is best

975
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,360
to reopen the streets the traffic earlier than seven thirty

976
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:07,390
AM so the proposal is after the downtown I wonder

977
00:56:07,390 --> 00:56:11,200
parking restriction ... from eleven PM to six AM instead

978
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:17,100
of twelve thirty AM to seven thirty six and speak

979
00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,380
oh sorry your worship all just think of the amount

980
00:56:19,510 --> 00:56:21,720
of money and I do live chat with her but

981
00:56:21,720 --> 00:56:24,670
I think this is the one the claimed the prostration

982
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:27,180
many people within the previous hours I think this will

983
00:56:27,180 --> 00:56:30,200
be a lot about the conflict answer Martin I think

984
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:33,050
it worked very well with my command staff for clinical

985
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,070
thank you thank you councillor Hanlon deputy mayor

986
00:56:38,070 --> 00:56:39,880
yeah no I I agree I think that this is

987
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,240
a smart way and I think this is true continuous

988
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:45,510
improvement to an action because we do see a number

989
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:49,780
of people in the downtown core oftentimes working out you'll

990
00:56:49,780 --> 00:56:52,110
see a lot of people who access said the gyms

991
00:56:52,110 --> 00:56:53,860
and things like that that are in the downtown core

992
00:56:53,860 --> 00:56:57,320
and as well ... anybody who like the businesses at

993
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,810
that point in time or shut down and and with

994
00:57:00,810 --> 00:57:03,880
the exception of some late night activities and those activities

995
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:09,120
are usually involving alcohol and they're you know they're vampires

996
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,830
and things like that so went the driving aspect shouldn't

997
00:57:11,830 --> 00:57:13,700
shouldn't even actually be a factor at that point in

998
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:16,420
time and so I think that this is a great

999
00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:19,080
way to clean it up and to enable our crews

1000
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,200
to do work better job certain streets of thank you

1001
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,950
Lynn and to you and staff councillor Korab I'm certainly

1002
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:27,920
in favor of it but I do not like making

1003
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,260
any decisions about downtown unless we talk to downtown people

1004
00:57:31,950 --> 00:57:34,560
the adept downtown Saint John we had any communication with

1005
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,970
them about this or run this by

1006
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:40,440
at this this should be in the residential

1007
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,920
of the downtown now now waters not the commercial area

1008
00:57:44,090 --> 00:57:49,710
hi retract my comment

1009
00:57:49,710 --> 00:57:52,650
it it would also include the data but it's only

1010
00:57:52,650 --> 00:57:55,270
when we do removals right it's not it's not a

1011
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:57,600
parking ban I don't know I don't know that yeah

1012
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,050
I guess that answers I guess what I'm into this

1013
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:04,050
is that it it applies more to the areas that

1014
00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:07,200
are not included in the outside the downtown my comments

1015
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,630
back on that so do we talk to take jobs

1016
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:11,010
but this

1017
00:58:11,010 --> 00:58:13,310
and we we didn't but we can I I don't

1018
00:58:13,310 --> 00:58:16,320
anticipate an issue yeah I'm fine

1019
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,780
zdummyz.

1020
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:20,790
your worship above the border downtown Johnson this is something

1021
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:23,470
they would welcome this is something we talked about before

1022
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,160
so in in I don't know and then and then

1023
00:58:26,350 --> 00:58:29,340
reach out to directly but we've had discovered before that

1024
00:58:29,340 --> 00:58:32,110
we want in the past so this is something that

1025
00:58:32,110 --> 00:58:35,210
would be welcome because exactly at the deputy mayor said

1026
00:58:35,530 --> 00:58:38,760
his business partner of operating a current with the bad

1027
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,820
would be on this one that will be the exam

1028
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:44,960
there's no good we we we couldn't really understand them

1029
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,980
... and the diversity of it will be point will

1030
00:58:47,980 --> 00:58:53,050
be yeah therefore backbone for snow removal and you know

1031
00:58:53,050 --> 00:58:56,010
for the winter motel and in the business area because

1032
00:58:56,010 --> 00:58:58,790
understand that there was a lot more

1033
00:58:58,790 --> 00:59:02,490
that will dollars between the two ... people sex workers

1034
00:59:02,790 --> 00:59:06,190
as we move of of of of garbage it is

1035
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:08,910
a delivery call happened at all heard so this will

1036
00:59:08,910 --> 00:59:10,840
be about the bill was up

1037
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:12,690
and I will get you a quote for to them

1038
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:16,640
work really in a formal and informal

1039
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,750
okay thank you councillor Hanlon and as well the forty

1040
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:24,030
six the ... that bad still remains in fact right

1041
00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:26,820
so every night the cars have to be off the

1042
00:59:26,820 --> 00:59:29,590
street by four in the morning every night

1043
00:59:29,590 --> 00:59:34,020
anyway you know to meet ... soul all of them

1044
00:59:34,060 --> 00:59:36,870
all work work together

1045
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:42,130
councillor Hickman so this was withdrawn employees for those streets

1046
00:59:42,130 --> 00:59:44,230
are designated for that night you know with the sticks

1047
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:46,780
in the banks normally

1048
00:59:46,780 --> 00:59:47,780
yeah

1049
00:59:47,780 --> 00:59:49,580
right now all it's wanna command was with her once

1050
00:59:49,580 --> 00:59:52,080
again her very progressive the

1051
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:56,080
the idea here thank

1052
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,510
councillor for hours just want to know that if we

1053
00:59:58,510 --> 01:00:00,820
proceed with this and it sounds like we are ...

1054
01:00:00,890 --> 01:00:02,990
I need full probably required as well the notes in

1055
01:00:02,990 --> 01:00:05,220
here in the note that that to meet the deadline

1056
01:00:05,220 --> 01:00:07,950
for the winter print winter edition of the city guide

1057
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,600
and has to be made by the second of November

1058
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,190
okay

1059
01:00:14,190 --> 01:00:18,930
any further comments moved by councillor for road seconded by

1060
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:22,970
councillor Hanlon

1061
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:35,100
yes your worship call the question

1062
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,180
motions carrot

1063
01:00:45,180 --> 01:00:55,040
he sidewalk snow clearing

1064
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,420
18 ms Windsor goes

1065
01:00:59,420 --> 01:01:05,900
all of frame M. so this is Amy and

1066
01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:09,000
a decision no I was an information as well ...

1067
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:12,310
on that motion passed by council a few weeks back

1068
01:01:12,660 --> 01:01:15,890
... regarding sidewalk snow clearing so that addresses several of

1069
01:01:15,890 --> 01:01:20,170
those particular points and so as a reminder we we

1070
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:23,840
discussed ... this no provide some I I option for

1071
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:29,600
direction to reprioritize the existing sidewalk sidewalk routes ... it

1072
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:34,010
speaks to the training and supervision supervision within the sidewalk

1073
01:01:34,010 --> 01:01:37,000
snow clearing system and approach

1074
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:40,090
and speaks to that piece of the motion that to

1075
01:01:40,090 --> 01:01:43,990
her call for a conversation on house roads are prioritize

1076
01:01:44,290 --> 01:01:46,190
things like free up resources so it's a lot of

1077
01:01:46,190 --> 01:01:48,530
content in here I think it again makes sense to

1078
01:01:48,530 --> 01:01:51,060
do it section by section as we just have the

1079
01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:55,590
previous conversation because so many layers to it ...

1080
01:01:55,590 --> 01:01:58,710
so what we'll do the the first one first and

1081
01:01:58,710 --> 01:02:03,810
so the the proposition is in the note and actually

1082
01:02:03,810 --> 01:02:06,130
allow staff to look through it because I I don't

1083
01:02:06,130 --> 01:02:09,300
wanna trip up on it ... but it's basically recognizing

1084
01:02:09,300 --> 01:02:11,350
that there's a fixed amount of resources to deliver on

1085
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:14,610
sidewalk snow clearing and this is an option of re

1086
01:02:14,610 --> 01:02:19,740
prioritizing ... some of those sidewalks that we cleared so

1087
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:23,310
that there's a readjustment because we have we have too

1088
01:02:23,310 --> 01:02:25,710
many priority ones to get through the party once in

1089
01:02:25,710 --> 01:02:27,810
a ride in a reliable timelines of the public and

1090
01:02:27,810 --> 01:02:30,140
doesn't have a have a route that they can rely

1091
01:02:30,140 --> 01:02:33,130
on getting around ...

1092
01:02:33,130 --> 01:02:36,580
and ... yeah so that's those are different points on

1093
01:02:36,610 --> 01:02:39,030
all head over to staff to to go through the

1094
01:02:39,030 --> 01:02:42,300
details of that

1095
01:02:42,300 --> 01:02:46,270
okay yes so to expand on that so ... some

1096
01:02:46,270 --> 01:02:49,320
of the feedback we received in the public engagement ...

1097
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,470
that we did on sidewalk snow clearing after the winter

1098
01:02:51,470 --> 01:02:56,100
of course was even though certain ... sections of routes

1099
01:02:56,100 --> 01:02:58,540
were priority one it still took a long time to

1100
01:02:58,540 --> 01:03:01,130
get a clear ... and this is something that we

1101
01:03:01,220 --> 01:03:04,400
we've been been aware of ... that we had too

1102
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,880
many priority one so you know if your whole system

1103
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:09,520
is a priority one and effectively nothing is a priority

1104
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,000
one so we have gone through all the sidewalk groups

1105
01:03:14,030 --> 01:03:18,980
and effectively we've taken a so one side of streets

1106
01:03:18,980 --> 01:03:22,670
will remain priority one but the second site instead of

1107
01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:25,120
having two sides of the same street being a priority

1108
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,730
ones in order to ... to be able to get

1109
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:34,430
more streets more sidewalks cleared will only do one side

1110
01:03:34,790 --> 01:03:39,580
so the first side of arterial roads ... and the

1111
01:03:39,580 --> 01:03:41,250
downtown

1112
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:45,270
at this downtown business district would stay a priority one

1113
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:48,970
your schools would effectively be a higher priority to one

1114
01:03:48,970 --> 01:03:51,350
so we just got them call priority one eight so

1115
01:03:51,350 --> 01:03:53,540
that would be all your schools owns us the first

1116
01:03:53,540 --> 01:03:58,010
first thing we do ... priority to would now be

1117
01:03:58,010 --> 01:04:02,430
your second side of your multi lane arterial roads and

1118
01:04:02,430 --> 01:04:06,760
the downtown business district and first side of collectors in

1119
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,930
your priority three would be the second side of any

1120
01:04:09,930 --> 01:04:14,500
remaining arterial roads that have both sides service and and

1121
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:17,050
we have very few private priority force but basically be

1122
01:04:17,050 --> 01:04:22,870
the second side of ... collector streets so effectively we

1123
01:04:22,870 --> 01:04:25,060
won't be to priority we won't have priority one and

1124
01:04:25,060 --> 01:04:28,040
two sides of the streets we would focus on one

1125
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,680
and we've arranged it in a fashion so that you

1126
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,930
have a whip ups clear sidewalks going through the city

1127
01:04:34,930 --> 01:04:37,240
so it would enable pedestrians get from you know whatever

1128
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,730
to point a to point B. is more effectively you

1129
01:04:39,730 --> 01:04:42,760
know instead of spending too time due to sides of

1130
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,150
one area we've moved on and now we're doing when

1131
01:04:45,380 --> 01:04:48,280
we no it's a longer stretch of a priority one

1132
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:54,470
thing that makes sense

1133
01:04:54,470 --> 01:05:01,060
deputy mayor

1134
01:05:01,060 --> 01:05:02,770
sorry

1135
01:05:02,770 --> 01:05:06,070
the thanks very much Leanne and I think that that

1136
01:05:06,130 --> 01:05:08,970
and you know from my understanding of what's being presented

1137
01:05:08,970 --> 01:05:12,200
here now that that really would make an improvement ...

1138
01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:15,310
it again it seems to

1139
01:05:15,310 --> 01:05:18,670
help clean up a little bit about can activity ...

1140
01:05:18,700 --> 01:05:21,200
which of course is the ongoing issue when we talk

1141
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:25,100
about any any plan and set them mobility or transportation

1142
01:05:25,100 --> 01:05:28,840
in the city so I think that this certainly sounds

1143
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,480
like a move in the right direction and the Garcia

1144
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:35,590
sidewalks because we just want to ensure that people once

1145
01:05:35,590 --> 01:05:38,790
they get on a sidewalk or going to suddenly come

1146
01:05:38,790 --> 01:05:41,540
to a barrier and then you know be forced out

1147
01:05:41,540 --> 01:05:44,670
into the road and so I I know that it's

1148
01:05:44,670 --> 01:05:48,450
probably and not and and on a grand scale this

1149
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,850
this this change but I think it'll help put the

1150
01:05:50,850 --> 01:05:54,380
game in the vein of consistency so from first blush

1151
01:05:54,380 --> 01:05:56,990
here this really does seem like a good improvement to

1152
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:59,600
me thank you

1153
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:03,380
further comments councillor Skinner

1154
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:07,870
your worship just a forum for some context

1155
01:06:07,870 --> 01:06:13,360
the main sorry network main the downtown business district as

1156
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,930
it's defined in this note ... I'm just curious as

1157
01:06:16,930 --> 01:06:20,650
to how far north west coast is a doctor street

1158
01:06:21,140 --> 01:06:25,260
is it queens road is an American road when we

1159
01:06:25,260 --> 01:06:28,690
say we are going to do the downtown business district

1160
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,970
I'm just wondering how far we've

1161
01:06:30,970 --> 01:06:35,070
it's just water and of course

1162
01:06:35,070 --> 01:06:40,090
okay thank you

1163
01:06:40,090 --> 01:06:42,020
councillor Collins

1164
01:06:42,020 --> 01:06:46,680
yes ... just former obviously priority mostly running on the

1165
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,110
one side and a sort of

1166
01:06:49,110 --> 01:06:50,970
together because

1167
01:06:50,970 --> 01:06:52,970
I think we went lots of free to be quicker

1168
01:06:52,970 --> 01:06:56,470
to come back to the movie please press town within

1169
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:58,930
the street get a priority one but a lot of

1170
01:06:58,930 --> 01:07:01,000
these if you're sending

1171
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,950
yeah okay

1172
01:07:02,950 --> 01:07:06,800
thank you councillor Hickman ... you have stolen and the

1173
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,210
that but is there a separate contract for downtown we

1174
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:12,830
so what when you say downtown in this context how

1175
01:07:12,830 --> 01:07:14,980
does that work what what impact do they have or

1176
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,480
how does it take you back out to the country

1177
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,780
it just means that will be ... advise you know

1178
01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:25,210
will be directing the contractor in how how to do

1179
01:07:25,210 --> 01:07:27,560
what priorities first right so it means you might get

1180
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:30,090
a of you'll have a cut on Water Street and

1181
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:32,790
Duckworth street before I guess you do the second side

1182
01:07:32,790 --> 01:07:34,380
of Water Street but it'll it'll just be done in

1183
01:07:34,380 --> 01:07:36,480
a more

1184
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:40,390
in a more efficient process to maximize the number of

1185
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:43,230
of sidewalks are the faster we can get site sidewalks

1186
01:07:43,230 --> 01:07:49,920
done so people will have somewhere to ... to walk

1187
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,480
your worship yes councillor had

1188
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,490
I don't know I didn't want to step on council

1189
01:07:55,490 --> 01:07:59,100
has nobody finished he's finished

1190
01:07:59,100 --> 01:08:01,780
at first I think this is really good because I

1191
01:08:01,780 --> 01:08:04,630
know we want to we all want to improve snowball

1192
01:08:04,630 --> 01:08:07,120
clearing but we also know the restraints we have with

1193
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:09,620
our budget so it seems to me what we're going

1194
01:08:09,620 --> 01:08:12,940
to do we're going to do very well alright commended

1195
01:08:12,940 --> 01:08:14,620
ivory I will be able to put it so I

1196
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:16,660
think I think will be improvements and I think you

1197
01:08:16,660 --> 01:08:17,800
can

1198
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,050
what we are doing a little too much for a

1199
01:08:20,050 --> 01:08:22,250
better job of it I think the public will increase

1200
01:08:22,250 --> 01:08:25,010
the task thank you worship

1201
01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:28,290
councillor Skinner yeah thank you your worship again I'm just

1202
01:08:28,290 --> 01:08:29,980
trying to ...

1203
01:08:29,980 --> 01:08:33,610
wrap my head around how this will operationally functions so

1204
01:08:33,610 --> 01:08:36,590
if I may business owner on Water Street I'm going

1205
01:08:36,590 --> 01:08:39,980
to have one side of the street down

1206
01:08:39,980 --> 01:08:43,420
and continue on to the other priority one areas to

1207
01:08:43,420 --> 01:08:46,880
get those done before looping back to do the other

1208
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,120
side

1209
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,100
and I asked earlier I don't know if the same

1210
01:08:50,100 --> 01:08:53,040
timelines apply but I asked earlier about how long it

1211
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,550
would take and I was told twelve hours for one

1212
01:08:55,550 --> 01:08:58,200
o'clock twenty four hours for the second sorry because we'd

1213
01:08:58,200 --> 01:09:01,330
be looking at twelve to twenty four hours before that

1214
01:09:01,330 --> 01:09:05,980
second one it would be different times

1215
01:09:05,980 --> 01:09:09,670
this sidewalk snow clearing program has much different timelines and

1216
01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:11,270
the streets to

1217
01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:12,780


1218
01:09:12,780 --> 01:09:16,230
so don't volunteer chair

1219
01:09:16,230 --> 01:09:20,490
so the current timelines for sidewalk snow clearing is four

1220
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:24,150
to seven days after an event

1221
01:09:24,150 --> 01:09:27,380
and every time it snows we have to restart our

1222
01:09:27,380 --> 01:09:30,860
priorities so if it snows on a Monday and then

1223
01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:34,550
it snows on a Wednesday timeline starts again on Wednesday

1224
01:09:34,860 --> 01:09:38,190
so we're full with the current resources we have we're

1225
01:09:38,190 --> 01:09:42,760
four to seven days for getting the entire sidewalk routes

1226
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:47,730
complete now the downtown business area does have a contractor

1227
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,820
in place ... the timelines may be better down there

1228
01:09:51,820 --> 01:09:53,940
but as a telling you exactly when one side will

1229
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:56,560
be cleared exactly when the other side would be cleared

1230
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,210
for timelines for that I would be able to give

1231
01:09:58,210 --> 01:10:00,080
you that data

1232
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:03,640
so I'm to understand then that one side of the

1233
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:07,700
street could be done and it could be days

1234
01:10:07,700 --> 01:10:11,780
before the other side

1235
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:21,150
yeah

1236
01:10:21,150 --> 01:10:22,870
yes

1237
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:25,590
I'll just add that harbor drive is also included in

1238
01:10:25,590 --> 01:10:27,750
that contract downtown

1239
01:10:27,750 --> 01:10:31,930
... so the contract includes water bottle water all touch

1240
01:10:31,930 --> 01:10:35,070
Duckworth and one side of her drive so what we're

1241
01:10:35,070 --> 01:10:37,030
going to do with with that contract is we're going

1242
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:40,480
to spell out you know we have we have decided

1243
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:42,910
north or south get back what once had water come

1244
01:10:42,910 --> 01:10:46,050
back second come back once on top worth to one

1245
01:10:46,050 --> 01:10:49,570
side of her drive then start second salt of water

1246
01:10:49,570 --> 01:10:55,140
and property in typically in in other seasons he ...

1247
01:10:55,140 --> 01:10:57,350
he being the contractor

1248
01:10:57,350 --> 01:11:01,010
... nobody has that ready for business open in the

1249
01:11:01,010 --> 01:11:05,840
morning ... I will add to that the downtown

1250
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,070
a business district we do a lot of snow removal

1251
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:11,770
down there so it's easier somewhat easier to plow the

1252
01:11:11,770 --> 01:11:16,030
sidewalks because there's less snowbanks on her cell the contractors

1253
01:11:16,030 --> 01:11:17,510
typically

1254
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:21,130
so much easier to plow because of the lack of

1255
01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:24,280
snow remains unsolved mysteries

1256
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,890
so we don't get into a four seven day normally

1257
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:30,470
foundered normally hours

1258
01:11:30,470 --> 01:11:37,310
to get to get downtown business district clout

1259
01:11:37,310 --> 01:11:40,400
I appreciate the information your worship all just

1260
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,150
no monitor myself and see how it goes yeah it's

1261
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:46,110
it's it's a different it's it's a whole different set

1262
01:11:46,110 --> 01:11:48,980
up because of the because of the private contractor down

1263
01:11:48,980 --> 01:11:51,620
there but I I I think it's fair to say

1264
01:11:51,620 --> 01:11:54,810
that in most cases with a fifteen or twenty centimetre

1265
01:11:54,810 --> 01:11:59,580
snowfall that the sidewalks are usually complete is ... water

1266
01:11:59,580 --> 01:12:03,040
drug works all the time businesses are opening in the

1267
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,100
morning or late morning

1268
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:09,940
and of course would not just sidewalk snow clearing but

1269
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:12,080
for all snow clearing it depends on when the small

1270
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,280
stops at most stops at six AM

1271
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,770
... we're never going to get everything done by the

1272
01:12:17,770 --> 01:12:19,950
time business opens at a on and off we get

1273
01:12:19,950 --> 01:12:22,910
more time we'll have it all

1274
01:12:22,910 --> 01:12:25,460
she was worshipped

1275
01:12:25,460 --> 01:12:29,410
... dramatically downtown thanks we've put in the downtown park

1276
01:12:29,410 --> 01:12:33,270
loop walk that detailed topo removal ... the last three

1277
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:36,110
years ago thank you for that in the parking this

1278
01:12:36,110 --> 01:12:43,490
overbuild including the sidewalk has little closer

1279
01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:47,040
yes your worship and use it you can tell

1280
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,930
if you leave goals of Kerr brought anywhere you go

1281
01:12:49,930 --> 01:12:53,190
downtown they don't have as much all note near earth

1282
01:12:53,190 --> 01:12:55,700
watch all three do you know so is less known

1283
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:58,310
outer you need golden at home and you do a

1284
01:12:58,310 --> 01:13:00,950
drive or something Gary be an hour go down there

1285
01:13:00,950 --> 01:13:03,910
and ten minutes you know you don't have enough good

1286
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:07,040
looks old lady more rainy

1287
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:08,840
the drive and Pitts memorial drive you can see the

1288
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:12,160
difference as you as you go into arts house lands

1289
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,350
in the hallway yeah

1290
01:13:16,350 --> 01:13:18,750
I'm agreeing with council

1291
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:20,850
I always agree with you don't

1292
01:13:20,850 --> 01:13:24,280
it's councillor for

1293
01:13:24,280 --> 01:13:26,710
thank you and I just wanted to make clear it

1294
01:13:26,710 --> 01:13:30,440
so the con and asked David when and to make

1295
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:33,920
sure I'm correct the contractor only covers water Duckworth and

1296
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,990
harbor Dr grant yeah so it's not the point of

1297
01:13:36,990 --> 01:13:39,460
making by reinforcing that is it's not as if they're

1298
01:13:39,460 --> 01:13:42,210
going to be called up to another street to do

1299
01:13:42,210 --> 01:13:44,970
it before doing the other side of Water Street they're

1300
01:13:44,970 --> 01:13:48,510
gonna it's a solution to make it done and until

1301
01:13:48,510 --> 01:13:51,030
it's complete

1302
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:53,790
any further comments

1303
01:13:53,790 --> 01:13:56,920
okay ... what sorry it was so what I'd ask

1304
01:13:56,980 --> 01:13:59,550
staff to speak to a little bit is so this

1305
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:01,780
as part of the motion was a conversation on lane

1306
01:14:01,780 --> 01:14:04,950
ways stairways and crosswalks as well and that's not addressed

1307
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:06,640
here and that's fine and that is a big piece

1308
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:09,260
of work okay ... but I just wanted to note

1309
01:14:09,260 --> 01:14:11,610
that for the listening public in the staff of any

1310
01:14:11,850 --> 01:14:14,490
any comments to say on on that consideration in the

1311
01:14:15,030 --> 01:14:18,700
linen yeah so ... we're go the plan is to

1312
01:14:18,700 --> 01:14:20,990
bring that forward to the next made a whole where

1313
01:14:21,530 --> 01:14:23,190
if it was up a lot of work to get

1314
01:14:23,190 --> 01:14:25,520
to pull all this to together so we did and

1315
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,470
we didn't want to I guess even though this is

1316
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:29,200
a lot to bring forward to council we didn't want

1317
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:32,840
to bring even more in the council today so we're

1318
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,520
going to the plan is to bring that forward it

1319
01:14:34,520 --> 01:14:38,680
to the next meeting hall

1320
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:40,230
deputy mayor

1321
01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:42,160
yeah no I just wanna say that they'd be in

1322
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:44,280
the same way issue certainly is it has been an

1323
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,900
ongoing contentious issue for some time and I I'm I'm

1324
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:49,540
really looking forward to more discussion and information around that

1325
01:14:49,540 --> 01:14:52,050
and how we can continue to improve that service so

1326
01:14:52,050 --> 01:14:53,260
thank you

1327
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:56,370


1328
01:14:56,370 --> 01:15:00,600
sure councillor Collins said your worship what pressure crow Dave

1329
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:05,110
said dear with listings it here windows no stops got

1330
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:08,410
a big factor shoulder it was also on sept twelve

1331
01:15:08,410 --> 01:15:11,230
one o'clock tonight you'll get something more in the job

1332
01:15:11,730 --> 01:15:14,570
is done perfect if that's not five or six o'clock

1333
01:15:14,570 --> 01:15:17,010
in the morning you'll gets out and everybody looked up

1334
01:15:17,010 --> 01:15:19,220
to the window under street is not the owner is

1335
01:15:19,220 --> 01:15:22,320
a nightmare so whatever time snow snaps this so how

1336
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,640
good of a job you gates and also when it

1337
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,310
starts because it starts to o'clock in the afternoon you

1338
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:30,410
know at six o'clock in the evening it's it's dangling

1339
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:31,730
out there

1340
01:15:31,730 --> 01:15:35,920
you can't get around so you're good point councillor Collins

1341
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:39,600
so moved by councillor Froude seconded by

1342
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:44,610
councillor Hickman call the question

1343
01:15:44,610 --> 01:15:46,820
yup

1344
01:15:46,820 --> 01:15:52,380
I think we can do them all together

1345
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:57,390
M. all Sir which which all ... the other two

1346
01:15:57,390 --> 01:16:00,540
points yes

1347
01:16:00,540 --> 01:16:01,980
yeah

1348
01:16:01,980 --> 01:16:05,830
hold on now maybe I'm

1349
01:16:05,830 --> 01:16:08,610
okay nope sorry point one I was looking at sorry

1350
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:11,110
I was looking a priority one eight months as being

1351
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:22,800
point sorry yeah just ... doing point one

1352
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:28,070
what

1353
01:16:28,070 --> 01:16:31,120
that's too many numbers

1354
01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:42,020
it's too many numbers

1355
01:16:47,390 --> 01:16:57,720


1356
01:17:03,270 --> 01:17:07,690
motions carries

1357
01:17:07,690 --> 01:17:10,470
point to me again

1358
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:13,540
M. point to it there's no motion attached point two

1359
01:17:13,540 --> 01:17:17,770
unless council feels otherwise I suppose ... but it's it's

1360
01:17:17,770 --> 01:17:22,000
say it lays out the the supervision and the training

1361
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:26,310
that same place for the operators ... and forever and

1362
01:17:26,310 --> 01:17:28,920
the approach ... so I'm not going to go through

1363
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,130
those details I think it's laid out there while I'm

1364
01:17:31,130 --> 01:17:41,410
if there any questions by

1365
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:46,650
I don't think there's a motion on the

1366
01:17:46,650 --> 01:17:48,490
okay

1367
01:17:48,490 --> 01:17:50,990
we'll put your seconding in abeyance for next time we

1368
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:56,130
need a second

1369
01:17:56,130 --> 01:17:58,530
your worship just a question if I could one of

1370
01:17:58,530 --> 01:17:59,940
the

1371
01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:03,300
issues that I've been ... talked about already is the

1372
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:08,680
issue of private contractors plowing either under the sidewalks or

1373
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,960
into the street moving window leaving wind rows of small

1374
01:18:12,260 --> 01:18:16,730
that have ... complicated work of our own pro war

1375
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,820
in fact reversed a good work that they've done and

1376
01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:23,930
I'm just wondering what ... what policies what approach we

1377
01:18:23,930 --> 01:18:26,230
have to that how do we respond to that I

1378
01:18:26,230 --> 01:18:31,270
guess is what I'm trying to understand

1379
01:18:31,270 --> 01:18:33,200
city solicitor

1380
01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:37,470
so we have provisions in our bylaws that prevent

1381
01:18:37,470 --> 01:18:40,970
... contractors are citizens from doing exactly what you're speaking

1382
01:18:40,970 --> 01:18:43,990
about so we have an enforcement mechanism I'm we have

1383
01:18:44,020 --> 01:18:47,010
... public work staff will go out and do inspections

1384
01:18:47,310 --> 01:18:52,210
and ... provide if they signed that that has happened

1385
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,050
... go to the enforcement process and lead to a

1386
01:18:55,050 --> 01:18:58,210
prosecution

1387
01:18:58,210 --> 01:19:01,670
so what that inspection process be on a complaint basis

1388
01:19:01,670 --> 01:19:03,650
or would it be as a part of their normal

1389
01:19:03,650 --> 01:19:08,670
operations actually reviewing ... now some of some of the

1390
01:19:08,670 --> 01:19:11,490
enforcement of that right

1391
01:19:11,490 --> 01:19:14,530
yeah we've been working and cooperating with the public works

1392
01:19:14,530 --> 01:19:17,450
department tried to do all we can improve that enforcement

1393
01:19:17,450 --> 01:19:22,090
mechanism ... with regards to the operational if there's inspection

1394
01:19:22,340 --> 01:19:25,080
I'll have to ask David or Lynn and speak to

1395
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,910
that because I'm not sure if it's just complaint basis

1396
01:19:27,910 --> 01:19:31,020
or if we actually do have ... the resources to

1397
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:33,200
be able to have a staff staff person going right

1398
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:36,770
doing inspections without a complaint I I do know that

1399
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:39,640
there are probably enough complaints that

1400
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,340
dealing with that is is quite at a heavy task

1401
01:19:42,340 --> 01:19:44,450
some

1402
01:19:44,450 --> 01:19:47,690
yes so we do have inspectors that do after every

1403
01:19:47,690 --> 01:19:51,070
snowfall of and the ... well I travel the city

1404
01:19:51,070 --> 01:19:53,650
to look for areas and we see or speak to

1405
01:19:53,650 --> 01:19:57,460
residents or contractors or you know ... and make sure

1406
01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:59,630
they understand are not permitted to do that we also

1407
01:19:59,630 --> 01:20:03,120
deal with complaints that they also are C. and a

1408
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,190
monitoring at contracts as as well so yeah we are

1409
01:20:06,190 --> 01:20:07,920
we are if they're trying to do is as best

1410
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,220
we can to ensure that ... cleared sidewalks are not

1411
01:20:11,220 --> 01:20:14,420
plowed in by private contractors or you know residents or

1412
01:20:14,420 --> 01:20:19,710
whatever

1413
01:20:19,710 --> 01:20:22,010
further comments

1414
01:20:22,010 --> 01:20:23,590
okay

1415
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:25,620
NexPoint

1416
01:20:25,620 --> 01:20:29,560
the point 3

1417
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:31,650
if I may add to the previous one just before

1418
01:20:31,650 --> 01:20:35,660
serve on and we've made some modifications and staff and

1419
01:20:35,660 --> 01:20:38,150
speak to this more detail but made some concern last

1420
01:20:38,150 --> 01:20:40,420
year with the quality of private that private contractors we

1421
01:20:40,420 --> 01:20:42,840
have we've hired so for instance let's with Avenue had

1422
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:45,250
a lot of concerns on the quality of the clearing

1423
01:20:45,250 --> 01:20:48,050
so there's been some changes to how those are ...

1424
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:51,310
what those contracts say to ensure that there are better

1425
01:20:51,710 --> 01:20:55,280
accountability mechanisms in place to ensure that that that's quality

1426
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:00,730
work

1427
01:21:00,730 --> 01:21:04,630
so that the last point there is

1428
01:21:04,630 --> 01:21:07,510
was that suggestion for a conversation on and with that

1429
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:10,250
there's a re prioritize ation possible for some local streets

1430
01:21:10,250 --> 01:21:14,040
to free up resources ... for sidewalk snow clearing and

1431
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,490
I think the the note lays it out well ...

1432
01:21:17,490 --> 01:21:21,270
but in briefs ... I I support what what's written

1433
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:23,440
here and and I also a motion when the time

1434
01:21:23,440 --> 01:21:26,630
comes first status quo our for our local streets are

1435
01:21:26,630 --> 01:21:32,540
prioritized ... it said it notes that and some of

1436
01:21:32,540 --> 01:21:34,180
these things are obvious but we have a very temperate

1437
01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:36,070
climate which results in a lot of rain and or

1438
01:21:36,070 --> 01:21:39,090
snow melt immediately after so far so that rain and

1439
01:21:39,090 --> 01:21:41,200
melt because there's no way to get wet and heavy

1440
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:45,680
very quickly ... which turns the ace and there are

1441
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:47,900
the most significant challenges service delivery is the ability to

1442
01:21:47,900 --> 01:21:51,170
recover completely after an event for subsequent event occur so

1443
01:21:51,170 --> 01:21:53,540
we have snow and rain and freezing rain and then

1444
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,670
... more snow on top of it gets packed in

1445
01:21:56,670 --> 01:22:01,030
really hard and it's difficult to ... to remove it

1446
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:02,820
...

1447
01:22:02,820 --> 01:22:05,470
so any change to how we would do the streets

1448
01:22:05,500 --> 01:22:08,270
I will lead to that sort of scenario where there's

1449
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:10,710
rocks there's rocks in the street routes of snow in

1450
01:22:10,710 --> 01:22:14,830
the street me quite difficult to get through ... as

1451
01:22:14,830 --> 01:22:19,900
it's a mix of ice and snow and there

1452
01:22:19,900 --> 01:22:22,550
one of the reasons so I'm I'm supportive of of

1453
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:26,550
status quo because it is that's not a satisfactory

1454
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:29,620
changing is not satisfactory route for vehicles but it's also

1455
01:22:29,620 --> 01:22:32,090
not a satisfactory route for pedestrians because if you're street

1456
01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:35,540
is is is full of rocks and ice that means

1457
01:22:35,540 --> 01:22:38,540
the vehicle is there it's it's riskier to have a

1458
01:22:38,540 --> 01:22:41,080
vehicle on the street which means if there's a pedestrian

1459
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:44,690
... using that same street they have no space or

1460
01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:47,260
there's a greater risk in in a vehicle pedestrian means

1461
01:22:47,290 --> 01:22:51,820
in an unsafe on safe place ... so I think

1462
01:22:51,820 --> 01:22:57,190
I think status quo make sense ... for moving forward

1463
01:22:57,190 --> 01:23:00,980
good councillor Hickman

1464
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:02,410
the

1465
01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:04,430
I just have a quick comics like this was directed

1466
01:23:04,430 --> 01:23:07,310
at me part of the site and talk with this

1467
01:23:07,310 --> 01:23:10,690
for a long time I wouldn't I would I would

1468
01:23:10,790 --> 01:23:14,280
not take it personally no worse but no I appreciate

1469
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:18,270
I agree discussions with them about this then and she

1470
01:23:18,270 --> 01:23:20,090
optional is a lot more than I do and I

1471
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:23,060
understand fully the need to make sure you pick up

1472
01:23:23,060 --> 01:23:24,670
off the ice

1473
01:23:24,670 --> 01:23:27,910
and keep the drains on plugged sector I'd like to

1474
01:23:27,910 --> 01:23:30,970
understand sometimes it's it's been known them this is leave

1475
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,010
that redo it what it doesn't need to be done

1476
01:23:33,090 --> 01:23:35,910
the asphalt is bare except for we can use our

1477
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:38,330
resources elsewhere and times like that that's all I'm saying

1478
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:42,280
but I understand that telling him to repeat for shore

1479
01:23:42,850 --> 01:23:50,560
so thanks for the clarification and school mile scolding

1480
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,570
I was scolding

1481
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:56,650
councillor out yeah sure sure a lot of hundred implausible

1482
01:23:56,650 --> 01:23:59,100
around people teach that there will

1483
01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:04,060
you know how from around industries don't they're going back

1484
01:24:04,060 --> 01:24:06,920
around eleven thousand catch basins and uptown some of practice

1485
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:09,590
from right and we will get it gets business done

1486
01:24:09,770 --> 01:24:11,930
in on the water mix when the status of milk

1487
01:24:11,930 --> 01:24:13,940
in the water all over the place because you can't

1488
01:24:13,940 --> 01:24:16,490
get down it's based so it's a lot of times

1489
01:24:16,490 --> 01:24:18,430
there to ... they're going to have to go through

1490
01:24:18,430 --> 01:24:21,200
both of them most of the time the truth which

1491
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:23,570
is

1492
01:24:23,570 --> 01:24:29,070
any further comments

1493
01:24:29,070 --> 01:24:31,750
so

1494
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:35,160
there's no need for a motion on that one either

1495
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:36,340
both

1496
01:24:36,340 --> 01:24:38,190
right

1497
01:24:38,190 --> 01:24:39,790
okay

1498
01:24:39,790 --> 01:24:45,940
yes councillor Korab is sickening all the non motions

1499
01:24:45,940 --> 01:24:47,780
so that's it for that

1500
01:24:47,780 --> 01:24:50,300
of course thanks very much for that work by the

1501
01:24:50,300 --> 01:24:53,070
way in and Dave this and your staff that was

1502
01:24:53,070 --> 01:24:56,700
a good piece of work to get that taken care

1503
01:24:56,700 --> 01:24:59,530
of as a lot of information on this

1504
01:24:59,530 --> 01:25:02,490
yes or there's a fourth line

1505
01:25:02,490 --> 01:25:04,930
lawyers

1506
01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:08,890
point 4 or 4

1507
01:25:08,890 --> 01:25:18,520
retain the current level of service

1508
01:25:18,520 --> 01:25:21,080
the council maintain the current level of service on local

1509
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:24,380
streets so that was for information purposes only it was

1510
01:25:24,380 --> 01:25:26,680
that

1511
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:32,190
okay

1512
01:25:32,190 --> 01:25:33,840
or is

1513
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,240
thank you very much

1514
01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:44,530
community services inclusion advisory committee

1515
01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:49,060
this one councillor Stapleton ... yes your worship this is

1516
01:25:49,090 --> 01:25:52,600
Chuck ... the council requested feedback from the closer by

1517
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:58,350
the committee ... there's quite a number of

1518
01:25:58,350 --> 01:26:04,240
request and discussions that's attached to this

1519
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,940


1520
01:26:06,940 --> 01:26:12,150
estreme ma feedback and I want ... council to actually

1521
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:15,040
have a good look at it because there's quite a

1522
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,430
number of issues that the inclusion vice three committee ...

1523
01:26:19,460 --> 01:26:23,890
came up with ... because of the pedestrian mall and

1524
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:28,540
before you make any decisions for next year or thereafter

1525
01:26:28,960 --> 01:26:34,990
... reading need to look at ... inclusion at accessibility

1526
01:26:35,300 --> 01:26:39,280
there's quite a there has been a number of issues

1527
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:45,400
... decks ... white ... and the pedestrian mall going

1528
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:52,050
too fast skateboards ... so it's we had reported here

1529
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:56,140
to have council have every damn deep look at all

1530
01:26:56,140 --> 01:26:59,370
the issues that the inclusion of ours we committee had

1531
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:05,020
an average to mall and ... hopefully next year they

1532
01:27:05,050 --> 01:27:09,430
will all these long we'll be there thank you

1533
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:13,910
okay thank you ... it says resolution is that something

1534
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:15,100
that's

1535
01:27:15,100 --> 01:27:17,830
we're gonna to debate

1536
01:27:17,830 --> 01:27:22,040
councillor Stapleton is moving the resolution as put third resolution

1537
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:24,900
thank me to read it that council review the recommendations

1538
01:27:24,900 --> 01:27:28,390
put forward by the inclusion committee for the downtown pedestrian

1539
01:27:28,390 --> 01:27:33,090
mall and share with all relevant parties recommendations the Cokesbury

1540
01:27:33,090 --> 01:27:37,680
implications for those with vision loss such as wayfinding indication

1541
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:42,130
of a upcoming ramps and obstacles and sidewalks shoring ramps

1542
01:27:42,130 --> 01:27:45,760
me coat a slip resistant and lead to a deck

1543
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,830
that can be maneuvered by wheelchair access to accessible washrooms

1544
01:27:49,830 --> 01:27:54,730
for criticism all users accessible parking located inside the mall

1545
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:59,250
was hazardous and a need for inclusion education among business

1546
01:27:59,250 --> 01:28:02,440
and security staff in the area and I'm not great

1547
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:05,890
seconded by deputy mayor you comments

1548
01:28:05,890 --> 01:28:08,830
your worship I'd like to

1549
01:28:08,830 --> 01:28:11,400
go ahead councillor handles

1550
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,830
thank you your worship yes I I I I would

1551
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:16,770
also doubly second this is well I think this is

1552
01:28:16,770 --> 01:28:21,450
what's meters and ... Mr Bolick well doll was that

1553
01:28:21,860 --> 01:28:25,350
it was a dog rather quickly and there was invited

1554
01:28:25,350 --> 01:28:29,820
to the mobile phone well the recommendations that basic plan

1555
01:28:29,850 --> 01:28:32,980
everyone deserves the right to start all over I don't

1556
01:28:32,980 --> 01:28:35,700
think that would be special asking for this to be

1557
01:28:35,700 --> 01:28:38,900
created fairly like everyone else and I think this is

1558
01:28:38,900 --> 01:28:41,410
very much welcome and I know that that was her

1559
01:28:41,410 --> 01:28:44,820
concern as well as business owners what was the value

1560
01:28:44,820 --> 01:28:47,680
worship so I think that the welcome and I'll be

1561
01:28:47,680 --> 01:28:52,530
working on behalf in sort of back up thank you

1562
01:28:52,530 --> 01:28:56,110
thank you very much councillor and

1563
01:28:56,110 --> 01:28:58,410
any further comments

1564
01:28:58,410 --> 01:29:09,350
call the question

1565
01:29:16,150 --> 01:29:23,800


1566
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:30,170
also

1567
01:29:30,170 --> 01:29:40,680
so

1568
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:44,570
your worship okay just waiting for councillor for how to

1569
01:29:44,570 --> 01:29:51,410
return to his seat and then where

1570
01:29:51,410 --> 01:29:53,190


1571
01:29:53,190 --> 01:29:59,700
yes

1572
01:29:59,700 --> 01:30:01,670


1573
01:30:01,670 --> 01:30:03,130
the voters

1574
01:30:03,130 --> 01:30:08,110
motions carries

1575
01:30:08,110 --> 01:30:10,890
councillor councillor proudly we assume that you're in support of

1576
01:30:10,890 --> 01:30:14,760
that resolution yeah

1577
01:30:14,760 --> 01:30:17,000


1578
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:18,610
see what I mean about the rules are a little

1579
01:30:18,610 --> 01:30:22,640
bit different councillors should

1580
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:24,000
yeah

1581
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:25,820
it's like going to an auction to put your hand

1582
01:30:25,820 --> 01:30:27,370
up we got to be really careful when you do

1583
01:30:27,620 --> 01:30:33,310
this ... Shea heights community center board of directors

1584
01:30:33,310 --> 01:30:36,130


1585
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:39,580
right all of the year

1586
01:30:39,580 --> 01:30:41,060
this

1587
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:43,710
is your worship is the board of directors it was

1588
01:30:43,710 --> 01:30:45,320
a

1589
01:30:45,320 --> 01:30:47,830
a few changes in the terms of reference after last

1590
01:30:47,830 --> 01:30:52,110
time it and it was two thousand sixteen and

1591
01:30:52,110 --> 01:30:54,480
it is a few their own cultural mob the main

1592
01:30:54,480 --> 01:30:58,000
one is to help health center in trail it's usually

1593
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,550
just resource armor but now they're making data X. issue

1594
01:31:03,550 --> 01:31:08,580
decision not only does he joked Pasco school

1595
01:31:08,580 --> 01:31:11,750
so I moved recommendation we're going to weeks a lot

1596
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:13,810
of work after going into this

1597
01:31:13,810 --> 01:31:17,740
so motor nation that the acceptance

1598
01:31:17,740 --> 01:31:22,220
there's any questions current sheriff's American service department is here

1599
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:25,840
but the north is going to speak but he has

1600
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:35,180
any questions current if you wanted to have your comments

1601
01:31:35,180 --> 01:31:37,720
Hey I got there I got ... yeah I just

1602
01:31:37,750 --> 01:31:40,590
this is that produced report we were very very few

1603
01:31:40,590 --> 01:31:42,980
the terms of reference of dish they had Shea heights

1604
01:31:42,980 --> 01:31:46,560
that community center board every couple years so we just

1605
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,770
went through a review and the board has reviewed all

1606
01:31:49,770 --> 01:31:52,460
this and was in favor of everything the point here

1607
01:31:52,750 --> 01:31:55,100
a few things that we just add it was some

1608
01:31:55,100 --> 01:31:59,150
further clarification around subcommittees and how that can be allies

1609
01:31:59,150 --> 01:32:03,010
with the board ... the appointment of directors ensuring that

1610
01:32:03,010 --> 01:32:08,080
there's equality inclusiveness within our board from that perspective we

1611
01:32:08,080 --> 01:32:11,380
worked with Elaine oriented team to ensure that some of

1612
01:32:11,380 --> 01:32:14,640
the language within our own advisory committees are also reflected

1613
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:16,850
in this terms of reference or as well from a

1614
01:32:16,850 --> 01:32:22,540
consistency perspective that would be around confidentiality set and we

1615
01:32:22,540 --> 01:32:27,450
also added some acceptable method of communication ensuring that ...

1616
01:32:27,450 --> 01:32:31,770
boards items are not communicated through social media platforms and

1617
01:32:31,770 --> 01:32:36,200
done through manner which acceptable with all board members so

1618
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,850
conflict of interest statement was also at is and the

1619
01:32:39,850 --> 01:32:43,290
process for the election of executives so it's put into

1620
01:32:43,290 --> 01:32:50,960
the terms of reference itself any questions

1621
01:32:50,960 --> 01:32:54,240
so moved by councillor Collins seconded by

1622
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:57,510
councillor Skinner

1623
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:59,790
any further comment

1624
01:32:59,790 --> 01:33:10,640
call the question

1625
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,630
motions courage

1626
01:33:17,630 --> 01:33:21,310
that is our agenda

1627
01:33:21,310 --> 01:33:24,810
thank you very much meeting adjourned

1628
01:33:24,810 --> 01:33:27,230
we're

1629
01:33:27,230 --> 01:33:30,400
soon as

1630
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:31,950
are we