[0:09] yeah
[0:11] warning warning welcome to our
[0:15] committee of the whole meeting
[0:17] 10/28/2020
[0:20] the agenda is before you
[0:24] moved by councillor Stapleton seconded by deputy mayor call the
[0:29] question
[0:54] what we do this cancer is gonna lose your first
[0:56] committee of the whole meeting ... you'll find that are
[0:59] lower in the chamber of the
[1:01] the world's procedure a bit more lax ... we don't
[1:05] yeah we don't necessarily have a motion first to the
[1:09] base ... and we also don't limit speaking once on
[1:13] on on the motion
[1:15] yeah so we just try to have a good discussion
[1:18] because it forms the basis for the recommendations I called
[1:21] the council meeting so it's a good opportunity for for
[1:24] us to have that conversation engaging the staff in that
[1:27] and for the public to understand the issues that we're
[1:30] dealing better so
[1:32] ... if you see that things don't work exactly the
[1:35] same as they do in the chambers that's why we
[1:37] try to try to keep it more wrap more casual
[1:40] more interactive
[1:48] so
[1:50] yeah
[1:53] carried
[1:54] J. minutes
[1:57] ... October fourteenth ... before you moved by councillor Skinner
[2:01] second by councillor Hickman call the question
[2:22] I don't have a question
[2:30] okay here we go
[2:54] councillor Korab yeah
[3:08] motions courage
[3:12] presentation delegations we happen on finance and administration insurance renewal
[3:18] negotiations
[3:21] betting or you going to speak that
[3:25] yeah
[3:27] you can step up to my concerns you can step
[3:30] up to the Mike
[3:32] she said on
[3:43] okay good morning everybody ... as you know I was
[3:46] here a week or so ago ... to go over
[3:49] the insurance renewal and find out how we would proceed
[3:53] and the coverage expires as you know on October thirty
[3:57] first at it terms of the renewal plus a new
[4:01] environmental liability insurance policy that was initially offered and reviewed
[4:05] council ... consisted of a number of coverages and ...
[4:11] was the city auto property casualty umbrella user group travel
[4:15] insurance and environmental the total premium is two million three
[4:19] oh five nine oh seven and we tax that would
[4:23] be two million five sixty one one eleven
[4:26] council agreed at our last meeting that the insurance coverage
[4:30] terms through a and B. reviewed in detail and that
[4:33] recommendations for cost savings be made realizing it would involve
[4:37] the city accepting extra risk coverages to be arranged the
[4:41] Lloyds with a casualty in excess liability coverage if the
[4:45] city accepted a self insured retention of to one fifty
[4:48] thousand the savings would be twenty six thousand five hundred
[4:52] and if the city accepted a self insured retention of
[4:55] five hundred thousand the savings would be fifty three thousand
[4:59] this insurance provides protection for third party claims the cost
[5:03] savings in my opinion is not considered sufficient and it
[5:07] is recommended that deductible of a hundred thousand be maintained
[5:12] next the Ottawa property coverage is through of eva the
[5:16] city's auto fleet cost savings if the city accepted a
[5:19] two hundred fifty thousand deductible would be fifty two thousand
[5:23] four oh two and the St John's transportation commission savings
[5:26] would be thirty four thousand nine hundred automobile coverage is
[5:30] a legislative coverage the savings offered pertains to contractor equipment
[5:35] floater rather than third party liability and is not considered
[5:39] a sufficient savings versus protection being offered and maintaining the
[5:43] current coverage and deductible is my opinion and I'm recommending
[5:47] get to city maintain its current one hundred thousand deductible
[5:52] property coverage if the city accepted a five hundred thousand
[5:55] self insured retention the savings would be to thirty eight
[5:59] eight twenty three this is considered a substantial savings and
[6:03] since just protects the city owned property the city may
[6:07] wish to accept this risk for the cost savings offered
[6:11] there's also excess property coverage offered to protect the city
[6:14] should anyone occurrence exceed a hundred million in damages the
[6:18] first access protects the city for an additional one hundred
[6:21] million for a total of two hundred million for anyone
[6:24] occurrence in examining city properties most expensive total loss that
[6:29] may occur would probably be a new with our street
[6:32] there are multiple city property city all including the parking
[6:35] garage city hall annex model one and convention center to
[6:40] toll worth of these properties combined are estimated at one
[6:43] hundred eighty two million five hundred fifty five thousand one
[6:47] eighty eight the city could consider accepting just one access
[6:51] property insurance policy with the principal property policy
[6:56] offering a total of two hundred million this would save
[6:59] the city on a sixty thousand in premium for total
[7:02] savings of three hundred ninety eight thousand eight twenty three
[7:05] plus tax it is important to note that our insurance
[7:09] broker area is more comfortable if the city maintains the
[7:12] second and the third access which would cover the city
[7:15] for three hundred and fifty million loss per occurrence
[7:20] the total savings with accepting a five hundred thousand property
[7:23] self insured retention and just one access property policy as
[7:28] I said already would be three hundred ninety eight thousand
[7:31] eight twenty three plus tax at fifty nine thousand eight
[7:35] twenty three forty five so the total would be four
[7:38] hundred fifty eight thousand six forty six forty five
[7:43] the cost for the environmental policy thirty six thousand four
[7:46] oh four plus tax for a total of forty one
[7:49] thousand eight sixty four sixty is included in the above
[7:53] pricing it was agreed at the last meeting that this
[7:55] coverage is required to maintain coverage now which has been
[7:59] excluded from the primary commercial general liability policy to tell
[8:04] of the entire insurance program previously offered was two million
[8:08] five sixty one one eleven to tell them now with
[8:11] the recommended five hundred thousand self insured property retention is
[8:15] one million nine oh seven oh eight for the taxable
[8:19] amount is one million three out to five thirty seven
[8:23] and tax is a hundred ninety five thousand three eighty
[8:26] fifty five for a total of one million four ninety
[8:29] seven nine seventeen fifty five the auto is not taxable
[8:33] so the total for auto is six hundred four thousand
[8:36] five forty seven so for full program told we're looking
[8:40] at a premium of two million one oh two four
[8:43] sixty four fifty five and as you know this include
[8:46] St John's sports and entertainment limited and the St John's
[8:49] transportation commission
[8:52] so my recommendation today to council is to approve moving
[8:57] from a one hundred thousand deductible for its primary property
[9:00] insurance to a five hundred thousand self insured retention and
[9:05] purchase just one excess property policy this would result in
[9:09] a cost savings like I already said three hundred ninety
[9:12] eight thousand eight twenty three plus tax so the total
[9:16] savings to the city would be four and fifty eight
[9:19] thousand six forty six forty five
[9:24] questions thanks very much bye
[9:27] any comments questions
[9:34] government
[9:36] thank you I have I just have a question I'm
[9:38] just trying to get some clarity around what the environmental
[9:40] policy actually covers I don't I don't really understand that
[9:43] section so just if you could just give a little
[9:46] bit more detail on what that coverage would entail
[9:49] and that's more for just general information purposes
[9:53] thank you
[10:11] okay set up property debt policy covers a
[10:15] ... locations this owner occupied and operated and managed leased
[10:20] or rented by the named insured including but not limited
[10:24] to streets roadways right of way trails and parks within
[10:27] the jurisdictional boundaries of the named insured
[10:30] and and also close transportation and disposal site
[10:35] so basically what it no I wanted to call it
[10:39] covers is ... like off site cleanup costs and defense
[10:44] costs if there is any bodily injury or property damage
[10:48] discovered because of the spill in that kind of stuff
[10:51] and pollution
[10:54] ... and ... to cover it even covers not upper
[10:58] upper covers operations like if you have to our credit
[11:01] job sites and are not own disposable sites in the
[11:05] city is brought into a lawsuit and stuff like that
[11:09] ...
[11:12] as
[11:14] like it doesnt covered up to ten years exclusions it
[11:17] doesn't cover like asbestos or that kind of stuff committed
[11:20] to CVS what is medical oceans pollution and spill or
[11:24] like a group we've got all tanks and stuff kilogram
[11:29] yeah yeah thank you very much councillor student
[11:34] thank you Mr mayor just have a two questions I
[11:37] want to ask one is just to make sure
[11:42] understanding so
[11:44] the
[11:46] more on their end
[11:49] four hundred fifty thousand dollars roughly of savings is fundamentally
[11:55] because we are only going with the one access policy
[11:59] yes that we have and that will give us two
[12:02] hundred million dollars of coverage
[12:06] ... and just bear with me while I look for
[12:09] the number here
[12:14] on the property value of one hundred eighty two million
[12:19] so we've we've estimated our property value to be a
[12:21] hundred maybe two million give or take and our coverage
[12:24] is up to two hundred million is that correct so
[12:26] what what what I mean but it is it's per
[12:29] occurrence time properly all of our properties worth over a
[12:32] billion dollars but if there should be one occurrence Hey
[12:36] it was a major and storm came in and or
[12:42] said it wasn't a better example probably be some kind
[12:44] of an explosion and starts a fire that takes over
[12:47] our street as so it's per occurrence it's not like
[12:52] if something and the next day and it wasn't related
[12:54] to that same storm then we got coverage there again
[12:58] okay yeah original so that's where I guess the number
[13:02] that I came up with now as you know and
[13:05] said they preferred that we take on the other to
[13:07] access to and I'm thinking watch day maybe taking office
[13:12] say you had does some content or can come through
[13:15] and that may not be just limited to go our
[13:17] street so do we take on the risk that
[13:21] that or can never just not going to be over
[13:24] two hundred million catches okay and my second question is
[13:28] about the ... I don't policy ... and I understand
[13:32] you rationale why you don't think it's worth us looking
[13:34] at the savings I'm just curious in terms of ...
[13:38] was there any consideration given by the insurance company and
[13:41] the ... decreased use I would assume the city would
[13:45] have on its vehicles and if that was factored
[13:48] and decrease you decrease use in terms of given called
[13:51] and stuff I I you know I see let's see
[13:53] city vehicles around ice on their less less miles being
[13:57] put on some of the vehicles I mean things like
[13:59] garbage and so on I'm sure still going on but
[14:01] there are other vehicles that I would expect parent being
[14:04] used as much I'm just I'm just wonder from amalgamation
[14:07] perspective the thousands George companies did take it into consideration
[14:11] and like some of the lower risk type like do
[14:14] your own props your own personal property insurance auto insurance
[14:19] they did start to take savings off but then they
[14:21] found out that they were ever more accidents because even
[14:24] though people were going to work they were going other
[14:27] places and their Russian hero she handled the accident rate
[14:31] was actually go to the road so
[14:33] we actually probably have more vehicles on at some points
[14:36] because we had to restrictions on how many can travel
[14:38] in a vehicle so you might have seen three pick
[14:42] ups attend to an issue rather than one as
[14:45] at certain times as an example where those insurance companies
[14:50] look at this as one off kind of circumstances right
[14:54] an overall rating they know that there could be an
[14:57] increase could be exactly try whenever possible to take into
[15:01] account all the risk management and goodness that's going on
[15:05] here in the city because right across every passing day
[15:08] everyone is very conscious and I gotta say they do
[15:12] work really well with me and we our clap at
[15:15] least to the fleet together ... you know dad the
[15:20] problem right now as I said in the last meeting
[15:22] is disco that is just created so much and hails
[15:27] forty insurance companies for business interruption and different and dangerous
[15:32] and those that do not are going to court
[15:35] so like this is a lot to do what was
[15:38] going on like I don't usually I got room to
[15:42] Aggie and I beat him to death so they does
[15:45] not sell and do something but and my room is
[15:48] pretty it's not there anymore because my arguments about their
[15:52] problems
[15:55] I'm good thank you yeah
[15:57] any further comments
[15:59] councillor Hickman that many regarding auto
[16:04] we have a fleet replacement the huge fault for that
[16:09] so I'm honored
[16:11] why would we not self insure completely if we're gonna
[16:13] replace things
[16:15] or two are we actually making that many to actually
[16:18] have that much need for insurance because we have so
[16:21] many claims every year how physical damage coverage is very
[16:25] cheap
[16:26] as the liability coverage just expensive all right and like
[16:31] we we carry fifteen million in total for our liability
[16:36] and the reason for that is
[16:38] in my opinion and like just use major bus is
[16:42] an example of one bus had some kind of a
[16:45] major catastrophe in everybody on board was seriously injured or
[16:48] killed it won't take long to eat up that money
[16:51] okay
[16:54] he further comments questions
[16:58] motion to a councillor Helen did you have anything
[17:02] also by by the end of the day thank you
[17:04] okay thanks
[17:07] we need a motion
[17:09] councillor Skinner seconded by councillor Collins
[17:13] any further comment just to let everybody know that we
[17:16] are experiencing some issues with the scribe that are or
[17:20] were correcting so if you're watching the stream and something
[17:23] happens you can see that we're aware of it more
[17:26] working through those issues here this morning
[17:31] we are part of worship
[17:33] pardon
[17:35] probably your fault you're working that's my fault as well
[17:42] big shoulders
[17:45] yes
[17:48] this this one that the insurance is time sensitive so
[17:52] we're going to do when you call on this later
[17:55] on this week because we need to have in place
[17:56] by the first November sure
[17:58] okay okay
[18:00] so call the question
[18:13] thank you
[18:16] your worship just out of curiosity have a question I'm
[18:19] the scribe today I'm seen abstain but I didn't see
[18:22] that Monday night get customization out for that hi do
[18:26] you have Stapleton is there in the case that somebody
[18:29] ... declares a conflict of interest and we have conflict
[18:32] of interest rules after rat that are laid out so
[18:36] should somebody ... declare that they're in a conflict of
[18:40] interest councillor Greece and they can abstain at some point
[18:44] in speak to from another my apologies ... the of
[18:47] steam button has been removed from the regular and we'll
[18:50] remove from this as well because you can't you don't
[18:53] have the option to me that's a decision that is
[18:56] made once you you don't provide like you claim conflicts
[19:00] and then our solicitor decides whether or not you are
[19:02] actually in a conflict so we'll remove that we moved
[19:05] from the regular it was inadvertently left on the even
[19:08] better answer
[19:20] but it has been used in a virtually before which
[19:23] cause some issues
[19:30] 
[19:31] the
[19:35] well
[19:38] motions carries buttons
[19:44] so nobody you councillor for
[19:46] I
[19:49] motions carries
[19:50] public works and sustainability revisions to the winter parking restrictions
[19:58] thank you so there's a lot in this no so
[20:00] I think it might make sense to go through them
[20:02] point five are not point break arts section by section
[20:06] ... so we'll start with the first one and so
[20:09] this this there's a series of ideas in here on
[20:12] changes ... for winter parking restrictions for this Cup coming
[20:17] winter and the the overall rationale as to
[20:21] I enable better more efficient snow clearing them so the
[20:26] achieve in different ways so the first the first possibility
[20:29] to discuss and there is a revised the start date
[20:31] of the winter on street parking restrictions ... to begin
[20:36] on December first each year they're normally implemented in January
[20:40] on a
[20:41] on the TV date ... each year and ... that
[20:46] causes sat public confusion and if we get an early
[20:50] storm we either have to call the parking restriction in
[20:53] early which would then have to make sure people know
[20:55] about ... and then it still ends up being that
[20:58] vehicles are are are parked around which causes at significant
[21:02] destruction for snow clearing vehicles ... so that's that's what
[21:05] I have to say to present the idea ... and
[21:09] just ... lean on staff if they have anything to
[21:11] add an additional that before we start discussing
[21:16] so we will we take each one of those um
[21:20] independently and and discuss them I think I don't think
[21:23] they're reliant on each other actor separate issues adding it'll
[21:27] get too complex if we start to layer on top
[21:29] of yep so the first one is revising start date
[21:34] ... to December first each year currently ... we try
[21:40] ... if the weather cooperates to get to just after
[21:43] Christmas to implement
[21:46] Lynette so I just wanna add that that just add
[21:49] to audiences that ... yeah so the past ... maybe
[21:54] at a past five years I think it's been about
[21:56] four times we've had to implement this early ... and
[21:59] it does cause a bit of a scramble for staff
[22:02] and for the public as they're not a they may
[22:05] not be expecting it ... we don't have the staff
[22:08] ... normally hired to do the the ticketing or the
[22:12] monitoring and ... it means that ... snow clearing staff
[22:17] have to repeatedly go back to streets to try and
[22:20] get the snow push back to the curb ... it's
[22:23] also a scramble for communication staff to trying get a
[22:26] message of because the decision is usually made the day
[22:29] of or the day before as that weather forecast sometimes
[22:33] does does change a lot so what that's the rationale
[22:36] behind it moving it to December first the other thing
[22:39] I'd like to mention as a stated in the notice
[22:41] that the Serb municipalities surrounding us do this so it's
[22:45] it's not a ... it's it's kind of ... industry
[22:49] best practice to get ahead of this and have it
[22:52] have it be implemented before you get ... before the
[22:56] weather is calling for significance now
[22:58] any comments councillor Skinner your worship I have to
[23:04] issues I wish to raise the first is just in
[23:07] terms of ... is it a ...
[23:11] well I know it's a cost implication because we're gonna
[23:13] be bringing parking enforcement staff scene I'm just wondering as
[23:16] to some number that we've sat identified in terms of
[23:20] how much extra does this cost us my first question
[23:24] and my second one is in terms of the force
[23:26] meant of the parking ban do we show any flexibility
[23:30] now this winter maybe a different went to recall it
[23:33] but this people are celebrating Christmas and some as part
[23:36] of the house there's no snow do we still go
[23:39] up and take it or is twenty flexibility around this
[23:41] we have this as I said earlier we we have
[23:44] in the past not put it in place so ...
[23:49] deputy city manager of public works has has latitude to
[23:52] put in place if the system more if the situation
[23:55] warrants right
[23:57] so what we've done is we haven't done is on
[24:00] this was now as has been done unless it was
[24:02] necessary
[24:03] ... we can bring in the in December first means
[24:07] that from different December first down the parking bans in
[24:10] place so that would apply over Christmas as well
[24:13] 
[24:15] I think that's that that's part of it in terms
[24:19] of the cost there's I don't know what the cost
[24:22] will be Mr senior women
[24:27] there will there will be a revenue offset from a
[24:30] to B. because there's tickets being issued for
[24:34] so ... I'll just finish up by saying that I
[24:36] think from from a public perception perspective ... I suspect
[24:41] there will be a lot of people who with we
[24:43] do have a Louise December ... number of us around
[24:47] this table would be getting lots of calls you know
[24:49] the parking enforcement ... police would be out and you
[24:54] know my
[24:55] recollection is that that's still very negatively by the public
[24:59] seem to be sort of a cash grab our tax
[25:02] grab when were enforcing something that doesn't need to be
[25:05] enforced so I just raise it as a as an
[25:08] issue yeah here in the chamber my experience is that
[25:11] if we have snow it's okay if there's no snow
[25:15] on the ground and you can park on the street
[25:17] and it's not okay and over the past number of
[25:20] years when I first came on council there was a
[25:22] lot of complaints about this ... as in the last
[25:26] couple of years it's gotten better because people have begun
[25:30] to understand the system and that's why I'm reluctant to
[25:33] change the system because the one we have now although
[25:35] it has challenges to
[25:37] thurs sat it's it's changing something that I think the
[25:41] public has accustomed itself to ... but I understand the
[25:46] reason for doing that too so it's a it's a
[25:48] balance that you're trying to find her deputy mayor
[25:51] yeah I would kind of liken it to playing a
[25:53] game of whack a mole Leslie and because the it's
[25:56] it's about consistency and I think what folks from my
[26:00] vantage point honestly communications is really they the key factor
[26:04] here and I know that our communications department certainly scramble
[26:07] to try to get that message out but not everybody
[26:10] is tuned in on a daily basis and so what
[26:12] does week a lot of havoc when we have these
[26:15] inconsistencies ... so you know I I have a general
[26:19] tendency to you know nail it down I understand that
[26:22] they're going to be good days and bad days but
[26:24] we are not and meteorologists and and we just need
[26:28] to have a consistent plan to ensure that the public
[26:31] know what to expect and then so that's it you
[26:35] know that's that's my basic concern is making sure that
[26:37] everybody understands that the public is fully aware and that's
[26:41] a real challenge for communications department so I see the
[26:44] I see the intent thank you
[26:48] your worship
[26:49] and just second councillor Hickman then you councillor animal let
[26:53] me see what
[26:54] semi solo what I feel about this no no
[27:00] this is really important especially this winter people need to
[27:03] get together in our small groups and you know Christmas
[27:07] is going to be the last chance for them to
[27:09] do that really I would suggest a suspect
[27:12] over the winter and unless we had a surprise have
[27:16] a surprise strongly we had last year on Christmas Eve
[27:20] you know quite often we get through Christmas and quite
[27:24] easily with just another a modicum modest amount of plowing
[27:27] eccentric and all this and allows people to get together
[27:30] is good for people's mental health you know to see
[27:32] their family and close friends already concerned about that this
[27:35] year this is not what you're doing me considering this
[27:38] and understand you know if it's easier for us but
[27:43] we're not about us no it's about the people city
[27:46] and are reading and you know that everybody that everybody
[27:50] drinks are really when they go out one person would
[27:52] probably drive or at a Christmas party ... from the
[27:54] twentieth of December until seconder so January and I really
[27:58] feel for those people and I think it's really important
[28:02] I I say I would like to see status quo
[28:06] the government
[28:08] councillor
[28:10] all cancer sorry about that councillor
[28:13] well don't worry that I'm on the same lines as
[28:16] councillor Hickman I can't see implemented this in December your
[28:19] worship back in it's going to be a special card
[28:22] for all of us ... this year give independently giving
[28:26] the small group of people than whatever given that we're
[28:29] going to do I'd like to see that goes on
[28:31] the attack very witcher I think that December because stressed
[28:35] for people and there's a lot of times we don't
[28:37] know the communications factor mean we're used to this is
[28:41] the way the dog for a long time so I
[28:44] think the public is aware that there may be a
[28:46] stormy they may have to get her at her about
[28:49] the road well maybe more concentration around that the ...
[28:54] communication piece but being living in that area being bored
[28:59] councillor and councillor at large I would not recommend changing
[29:03] this definitely not put his number first with respect to
[29:06] connect with there's no snow on the ground we all
[29:09] know that we get severity that
[29:12] because it's about the people that that that I don't
[29:16] even know what we're looking for specific parts of town
[29:19] I think we're gonna be rebuilding at that at the
[29:22] whole thank you
[29:24] okay so just just to be clear this number one
[29:27] applies outside the downtown not not the not the downtown
[29:31] downtowns number two
[29:33] but ... yeah yes it was likely that you're referring
[29:37] to the area outside downtown as well thank
[29:40] councillor court
[29:43] thank you worship ... I'm on the fence with this
[29:46] but I'm certainly leaning towards not bring that in the
[29:48] summer don't throw any I mean that
[29:53] that's what these things are here now so she can't
[29:54] does that mean ... quick couple quick points when is
[29:58] the city guide to city guide would be gone out
[30:01] for this time of year till Christmas my right around
[30:04] that is to council leader should know but
[30:06] so
[30:08] so there's another
[30:10] thank god goes out at the end of November okay
[30:15] as for okay so
[30:17] it would go the independent of amber and that's assuming
[30:20] people seen it for December first so that timing could
[30:23] be looking at right now thanks ... I mean your
[30:26] communications our understanding be scrambling but they're sent out the
[30:29] same message they would send out for the last five
[30:32] years changing the date so I don't think that's too
[30:34] onerous on them obviously I just think to the city
[30:37] alerts that we have through email through people sign up
[30:40] for the alerts on our phones and what not along
[30:43] with councillors Facebook groups the community groups I know I'm
[30:47] in about a dozen you're not gonna reach everybody I
[30:50] understand that but I think as we've been on this
[30:52] ... remember years people are Startin and they do know
[30:55] that once was a snowstorm in December that they can
[30:58] park on the street obviously it will be a few
[31:00] that will be able to reach be reached but I
[31:02] don't know I don't bring the same kind of what
[31:05] councillor Hickman said about you know the Christmas time coming
[31:07] in there and
[31:08] not a you know if you've got a single car
[31:10] driveway a couple double car driveway you're essentially saying people
[31:13] can't come visit or they can visit the waiting only
[31:15] one so I don't on the fence but I'm certainly
[31:17] leaning towards ...
[31:19] keep it on for January 1
[31:24] thank you I am I am leaning towards moving into
[31:27] the summer first and the reasons for that being
[31:32] ... I know there'd be a level of additional pain
[31:36] if we don't get a snow storm in December ...
[31:41] and the rules still in place but four of the
[31:43] past five seasons we've actually still brought in earlier
[31:47] and then January so does if you look at the
[31:51] last five seasons eighty does natives a chance going to
[31:53] be put in place anyway for that same period of
[31:56] time ... so to me this
[32:00] because of because there's a significant chance rendering it anyways
[32:04] ... and it is a real problem when there's many
[32:07] vehicles parked on streets we get
[32:10] I suggest we get as many concerns about the supply
[32:13] was having to weave around in doing at any ...
[32:17] subpar job having to return into a clearing we get
[32:20] as many concerns complaints but that as we will about
[32:23] the pain of of that have an additional parking role
[32:26] earlier in the year and I think the the the
[32:29] balance I would like to see better snow clearing those
[32:32] cases and especially since odds are we have an eighty
[32:35] percent chance putting in place early in any case
[32:39] ... I think it's it's much easier to put tap
[32:41] consistent rules in place for so that people can understand
[32:45] what rules are in place and what how they can
[32:47] behave and I think
[32:49] odds are Christmas parties are going to be smaller this
[32:51] year anyway so that there'd be a less of a
[32:54] demand again that's a that's what sort of got call
[32:56] on my own observations ...
[33:01] that's right so that's that's a that's where I'm leaning
[33:03] I think I think the balance is is to the
[33:06] benefit and considering where you we do it most years
[33:08] in any case ... and maybe I guess Christmas might
[33:12] be the the
[33:14] that holiday season it might be the main pain point
[33:16] but I'm wondering if there's a as an interesting compromise
[33:19] of the fifteenth of December so there's a bit of
[33:21] extra time ... in there ... so that might that
[33:25] might help them get rid of some concerns
[33:28] I think the whole discussion here seems to be around
[33:31] consistency and I think that's my point would be inconsistent
[33:34] with being consistent over the past number of years and
[33:37] I think that the public understands our system and our
[33:40] system is is that we will if we need the
[33:43] parking ban before ... the ... date January comes around
[33:48] then we will issue a notice that because of the
[33:51] snow on the ground which which you can see is
[33:54] it is a visual ... enforcement that we need to
[33:57] put the parking ban in place ... and I can
[34:00] guarantee if we move December first we won't have snow
[34:03] in December sold may work may be worth it they
[34:07] well as a I think if if consistency is what
[34:11] we're looking for that's why we've gotten in the past
[34:14] couple of years we've we we should continue to work
[34:16] on that consistent message that we're gonna try to keep
[34:20] the parking ban off till January but if the situation
[34:24] warrants that we do is we'll have to do it
[34:26] quickly and I think that's a communication message we should
[34:29] reinforce my opinion so I'll be supporting status quo as
[34:33] well
[34:34] councillor statement yeah I'm hoping to because most of the
[34:38] emails thanks in that that I got last Christmas was
[34:42] Christmas season and people come in and family's company Informatica
[34:47] L. and have no where to park and it's
[34:51] you know it's Christmas season people need especially this year
[34:55] they need to did they need to contact and they
[34:58] need to family so I won't be so ... sports
[35:01] changed to December first I'm as we go for you
[35:04] know every year around the fourth of January that we
[35:08] change it you know is that our December first and
[35:11] even then it if so happen the
[35:14] we need to put a name we can but I
[35:16] would prefer a set date for January
[35:19] in December as a coach general don't
[35:23] yes your worship other gods or January dunking when we
[35:27] don't putting American band is there any way you'd like
[35:31] to we can give the public a week's notice like
[35:34] given a warning ticket or something because of that when
[35:37] you bring an end and there are a lot of
[35:40] people get to take reporter realizes that scene so if
[35:43] you put into practice you know you should give give
[35:46] people a week and that good morning taken and then
[35:49] after a week of say or recommends you know what
[35:52] that is anymore you know because let me get stone
[35:55] a ticket and they don't realize the disease you know
[35:58] I think that's the challenge with the whole thing is
[36:00] that these there's storms give you little little notice of
[36:04] when they're when they're coming so it has and it
[36:06] happens quickly act to lack to do that so that's
[36:10] why that's the challenge with this if this was something
[36:12] that you could have that you could say okay in
[36:15] two weeks time are going to have a
[36:18] at an event that we're going to need to bring
[36:20] parking I mean that would be different but it's usually
[36:23] a twenty four hour to forty eight hours ... at
[36:26] issue and this some people will get caught and that's
[36:30] and that's that's the balance that we have to find
[36:32] in this
[36:35] deputy mayor
[36:37] I have no certainly after hearing to some of you
[36:39] point say I I certainly do agree that the consistency
[36:42] is certainly has been has been if you know in
[36:46] place
[36:48] the one thing that I would caution is that you
[36:50] know we're not in normal times there isn't it nothing
[36:52] consistent right now we're in the middle of a pandemic
[36:55] and I certainly would caution that we should be a
[36:58] strong voice to encourage and continued S. safety precautions as
[37:04] we interest Christmas season the last thing that any of
[37:07] us wants to see is that ... another wave and
[37:11] happen and over the Christmas season when people of course
[37:15] you know ... ... in their festivities they may have
[37:18] a drink they may forget to you know that would
[37:20] you know the here and then the now with a
[37:22] pandemic so I think that you know it's all of
[37:25] us can put on that cap of knowing that as
[37:27] much as we obviously want to see our families and
[37:31] we do have our bubbles ... I think it's an
[37:34] important reminder for us all to continue sending out that
[37:37] message of safety around that secret round that season in
[37:40] that time frame that because we're not living in consistent
[37:43] or normal times right now but I do take the
[37:46] comments or any of my colleagues here today ... the
[37:49] guarding the practices that I've certainly happened over the past
[37:51] couple years how that sound unveils and it so well
[37:55] yeah I'm willing to keep reconsider thank you
[37:59] did you have come
[38:02] okay
[38:04] so if someone wishes to make a motion councillor Perot
[38:08] did you wanna
[38:10] make a motion hang up I make a motion it'll
[38:12] be a feeling motion so might be someone better for
[38:15] someone else to answer it gone it's like he's going
[38:17] to make a motion
[38:22] K. C. start of the
[38:26] seconded by councillor Stapleton
[38:29] any further comment
[38:33] call the question
[39:30] so everybody have the
[39:37] motions carries 8 to one
[39:40] your
[39:42] 
[39:44] seconds
[39:47] extend the over nice
[39:49] irking banners outside the downtown
[39:55] M. so they says sorry
[39:59] I can later okay
[40:01] go ahead so this is and this will be a
[40:04] temporary twenty four hour parking restriction and so in this
[40:08] case parking will not be permitted on any street outside
[40:10] the downtown and a business just a district during a
[40:12] storm and for the twenty four hours thereafter so
[40:17] ... it would be enforced upon a declaration by the
[40:20] the DCM a public works when operationally required
[40:24] and so what it what it would enable is or
[40:27] what it would want would be is so
[40:30] ... right now we have correct me if I'm incorrect
[40:34] in laying this out so right now we have a
[40:35] night time parking ban ... as of one is declared
[40:40] or early January as we just decided
[40:44] ... that's during the night time this would do it
[40:48] ... have tension in the daytime as well because it
[40:51] triggers while it's snowing for significant storm and for twenty
[40:55] four hours thereafter so that it gives snow clearing crews
[40:59] the opportunity of of staff open streets to clear snow
[41:03] that makes sense yeah so it's so it's on the
[41:05] vent basis if if there's a situation in which the
[41:08] deputy city manager of sector needs to be a banner
[41:12] parking during the daytime hours yeah then they can do
[41:15] that yeah deputy city manager yeah so just expand on
[41:19] the ins explanation there would which was accurate so basically
[41:23] and this is this is industry best practices well so
[41:26] any time there is any event ... we would add
[41:31] advertised that the there's going to be a twenty four
[41:34] hour parking ban in effect for areas outside the downtown
[41:36] supposed to places that have the overnight parking ban and
[41:40] we would extend it for a twenty four hour period
[41:43] after and this coincides with our service timelines and it
[41:48] would ... enable snow clearing crews to more efficiently clear
[41:52] we make sure we get to push back to the
[41:54] curb a lot master it would eliminate multiple runs which
[41:59] is a complaint we sometimes get right you came up
[42:01] our street you didn't cleared effectively you have to come
[42:03] back ... so some people complain that we're not there
[42:06] enough some people complain that we're there too much this
[42:08] will help us be more efficient in our operations to
[42:11] achieve a final push back within twenty four hour period
[42:14] what occurs ... impeding operations
[42:18] all right I think that's a good idea I think
[42:20] if I think it's a good idea that our staff
[42:23] have that ability indeed when it's warranted to be able
[42:26] to do that no problems supporting them
[42:30] councillor Hickman yeah I just wanna make clear more support
[42:33] for this command is winter for her progressive thinking on
[42:38] this and you know what happened during a pandemic of
[42:40] it was brilliant that was great move and keep everybody
[42:43] else trees when needed again communications is deputy mayor mentioned
[42:47] will be key on this but even against most of
[42:50] the people lazy most people will be huge health so
[42:54] well done this winter
[42:59] councillor Skinner your worship I just I have a couple
[43:02] questions one is the ... trigger tennis is I see
[43:05] it is five centimeters ... and I'm just wonder do
[43:08] we have any idea as to how often in the
[43:10] past we've had five centimeters is this something that would
[43:13] be you know once the line is there something that
[43:15] happens twice a week three times a week do we
[43:18] have any ideas to that
[43:22] sorry
[43:24] basically the intent is this is anytime there's any significant
[43:28] or watching use were significant like to five centimeters as
[43:31] a guideline if we have to do plowing operations work
[43:34] the intent is to ... implement this so if you
[43:37] know if we need to send out ... cruised to
[43:40] do it we would want to do this is and
[43:42] the intent is to improve efficiencies
[43:46] so so we're gonna do is not based on five
[43:49] centimeters when I'm there and I don't know where to
[43:51] five centimeters sense and nonsense five so
[43:55] I read it my understanding was yeah
[43:58] the intent is is that it will we didn't want
[44:01] to get into a specific number to add to be
[44:05] advertising to the residents as it will cause confusion and
[44:08] also then the ... and Cheryl may be able to
[44:12] speak to this better but in discussions with the legal
[44:14] department it would cause confusion and then people would potentially
[44:17] be able to contest any tickets that they received and
[44:20] you will be able to argue over the fact of
[44:21] what a five centimeter spell what forecast you were looking
[44:24] at environment Canada's if five maybe a mix it's something
[44:27] different and it could cause a lot of confusion so
[44:30] the way we would ... I guess inform residents about
[44:34] that is we will make an announcement and we don't
[44:36] want to tie it to any amount but I can't
[44:38] say that it is the the ... we want to
[44:42] call it any time we have to plow so five
[44:44] centimeters and up would be a good base that you
[44:46] would do would use
[44:49] I thank you in my second point is when we
[44:52] talk about plowing or clearing an area outside of the
[44:56] downtown we're looking at restricting on street parking for twenty
[45:00] thought twenty four hours after you to clear it my
[45:03] question is how long does it take for the routes
[45:05] to be cleared
[45:09] our service timeline right now is ... we guarantee one
[45:13] cut within twelve hours and full widening down within twenty
[45:16] four so we sync that up to line up with
[45:19] our current timelines
[45:22] councillor for this one at a point of that it's
[45:24] it's twenty four hours after the end of the storm
[45:27] route twenty four hours from the point of decoration so
[45:29] if the storm lasted for thirty six hours it will
[45:31] be during those thirty six hours plus the twenty four
[45:33] hours following because the service standard ... timeline kicks in
[45:37] by the end of the store
[45:39] just wanna clarify that because already a little bit differently
[45:42] the five centimeters is kind of the the trigger where
[45:45] you have the option to do
[45:48] but it's not
[45:50] given that at five centimeters that you would put this
[45:55] in place as a
[45:58] no I guess it to be an operational decision it
[46:00] would be a it would be a council decision it
[46:02] would be an operational decision right and I mean the
[46:05] reality is here in St John's ... I don't see
[46:08] very many five centimeters that's right I means ... yeah
[46:11] right is generally about ten so you know anytime that
[46:14] we're getting full crews to go out and do it
[46:15] that's the intent that we would do it is not
[46:17] a forget a few flurries overnight that's not the intent
[46:20] right if the intent is anytime we're getting a system
[46:22] coming through St John's that we need to do we
[46:24] in full operational
[46:28] it works yes councillor Hanlon
[46:31] yeah I would probably agree with what and I have
[46:34] a problem well they didn't I think the plan and
[46:39] if you do that very realistic given out rather than
[46:42] harassment but before I would be more respectable Robert voted
[46:45] yes for this war thank you
[46:49] deputy mayor
[46:51] thank you Mr mayor yeah no I agree I think
[46:53] that this is excellent because obviously it gives start the
[46:56] staff and and you know an extra bit of time
[46:59] of course to do proper cleaning so I guess my
[47:01] question is we do you M. and for the city
[47:04] management deputy city manager ... did you see that this
[47:08] could have any positive ramifications over the sidewalk snow clearing
[47:12] issue I'm just wondering because of course this is going
[47:15] to help
[47:17] ... in terms of the cleaning for the streets after
[47:20] storm but does it have any impact whatsoever on sidewalks
[47:24] thank you
[47:28] I mean any time if ... if cars are parked
[47:32] on the street it then there's ... you know there
[47:35] is there it is easier to clear sidewalks as well
[47:38] because you're not in the areas outside of the downtown
[47:42] you know we're we're this would be implemented I'm just
[47:45] because you're you're not concerned about heating the cars right
[47:47] you got a little bit more ... space to to
[47:50] operate ... but overall it's mainly a ... street it's
[47:56] it prevents a multiple
[47:59] about runs through areas yeah exactly you're we even in
[48:03] and around the cars and then you have to come
[48:04] back and try and pick a time when the cars
[48:07] aren't there in order to clear out the snow this
[48:09] left yeah so it eliminates that it's it's similar to
[48:13] the ... to the bad downtown business tricks district one
[48:16] more from four to six you're not allowed to park
[48:18] there and that gives so then from four to six
[48:20] we make sure operators are in the downtown area to
[48:23] push back to snow there to parking spaces so this
[48:25] is what this does in the rest of the city
[48:28] but it it's it's in our normal operations if that
[48:30] makes sense some cases it may cut down on the
[48:33] filling in of the sidewalks because the plows come through
[48:36] there twice instead of three times if they can get
[48:38] it done then it might prevent that part
[48:43] yeah so that was exactly what I was kind of
[48:45] yeah I could go on for here that there may
[48:48] be slight improvements as a result of that council front
[48:50] you have a
[48:52] great minds think alike
[48:54] fools seldom differ
[48:59] councillor Collins
[49:02] issuers are allowing go around it should not
[49:05] ... the global gift for but I think we should
[49:09] revisit revisited they around you know but we have a
[49:12] to the winter and CEO Cialis works because you know
[49:16] it the problem's going your street and it's clear you
[49:19] know you you feel like you got it cracked or
[49:22] you don't mean to like I I can see just
[49:24] a lot of people get tickets you know so I
[49:27] don't know I agree with that now but I think
[49:29] we should revisit after see how much of a backlash
[49:32] we get you know
[49:34] look at it after a few storms out of work
[49:36] so good I keep saying you know we're so good
[49:38] relievers but if not we can that okay the real
[49:43] the real test of a B. you know how it
[49:46] affects the operations of you know over
[49:51] yep and you know that will be that will be
[49:54] to test them I also have trusted the staff that
[49:57] we were going to use their discretion or just
[50:00] yeah yeah I go alone but if I may bring
[50:03] it up in the middle of winter I'm I'm sure
[50:05] you will councillor Collins
[50:07] councillor Korab yeah this is the point you made your
[50:10] worship I was gonna say is that you know are
[50:12] forced to take enforcement officers have the discretion so if
[50:16] it's a street that you're technically not allowed to park
[50:18] on but we're clear back to the curb and let's
[50:20] face it the plow will be should be and will
[50:21] be by again you know that's a communication them to
[50:24] have some leniency so I think that's something we can
[50:27] do it could cause some confusion obviously one day you
[50:29] didn't get a ticket then the next week you did
[50:32] get a ticket because a small so it can keep
[50:34] using but I guess is the point of it that
[50:35] are taking office and have some discretion
[50:38] not ticket if necessary during the day when people are
[50:41] going to work in and and cursor error error out
[50:46] of the out of the area and on my street
[50:48] which is pretty typical city street outside the downtown and
[50:53] there's very few cars parked on the street during the
[50:55] daytime I think other people are living councillor Hickman councillor
[50:59] Skinner that would say the same you know and you
[51:02] know it's not a it's not a huge issue and
[51:05] if if you can improve by by encouraging that day
[51:09] and ... I think it's a good use ... who's
[51:13] next Sir councillor quicker councillor Korab brings up a good
[51:17] point about discretion
[51:20] I was told many times over the years about that
[51:23] when there was no snow on the ground during January
[51:25] or February now and then that there is no discretion
[51:28] tickets are given out and ... wondered if ... we
[51:33] have a comment on that city solicitor
[51:42] is there an option to say no here we go
[51:44] ... ... I guess I just purpose my comments I'm
[51:47] always where you talk about important procedures in a public
[51:50] meeting as it tends to be legal advice given
[51:53] the council ... but I will tell you as a
[51:56] general proposition that all officers when assessing the situation deciding
[52:00] on whether to issue a ticket have discretion ... to
[52:04] look at all the circumstances and determine whether there is
[52:06] a violation that is appropriate ... for ticket to be
[52:09] issued
[52:12] next question
[52:16] when an ad England and had a comment there before
[52:20] well I do I just wanna make sure that we're
[52:22] clear that ... this is the this pointer this thing
[52:27] or this twenty four hour parking ban would apply whenever
[52:32] it was declared operationally so that could mean if we
[52:34] get a snowstorm next week it comes into effect actually
[52:38] right and so it also takes into account December so
[52:41] last last Christmas for example you know it started to
[52:44] snow on Christmas Eve it didn't stop till sometime in
[52:47] March
[52:49] alright so if there is a potential for when we
[52:51] get back to back storms that these compounds and I
[52:53] just want to make sure that that's understood I think
[52:56] everybody understands that I I think we we I think
[53:00] we're trying to find a balance here between operationally being
[53:03] able to keep the city moving and ... you know
[53:08] but at the same time if the need is not
[53:11] there being able to keep things moving moving as well
[53:16] not being ... over overbearing on the whole thing so
[53:20] I I think finding the striking that balance is a
[53:23] challenge but it's one that we need to do our
[53:25] best to strike
[53:28] councillor for a
[53:29] as one other piece to to consider within this that
[53:32] so I had a several conversations leading up to this
[53:34] moment I thank businesspeople one one of the titular was
[53:38] with the contractor so in a few neighborhoods there's significant
[53:41] developments ... and in camera terrace or significant structure and
[53:44] happening and and a twenty four hour ... restriction could
[53:47] be quite significant for them ... so it's something well
[53:51] I think all they'll be difficult to put exceptions in
[53:54] place but it's something we'll have to keep an eye
[53:56] to as we go forward on whether it's ... too
[53:59] big of a pain in those areas or maybe it's
[54:01] the fourth when officers providing some discretion in the way
[54:04] if there's a house under construction in the area ...
[54:06] just something to honor in relation to this
[54:11] any further comment
[54:15] so the council for any making that motion the second
[54:28] sort of
[54:29] drumlins up you know from
[54:32] yeah
[54:46] let's hope we never have to use any of those
[54:49] parking pass ...
[55:09] also
[55:16] a source
[55:18] motion's carried 9 to 0
[55:22] number three councillor for out thank you M. downtown winter
[55:27] parking restrictions on this one
[55:30] excuse me so downtown winter parking restrictions only utilized on
[55:34] the street is scheduled for snow removal operations and the
[55:36] restrictions in effect twelve thirty AM to seven thirty AM
[55:40] currently at the city's so that's the parking restriction the
[55:44] city snow removal operations actually begin at ten eleven PM
[55:48] and because of that our to have window ... vehicles
[55:51] are often still parked on the street ... so crews
[55:54] find that also find the traffic calming traffic volume sorry
[55:58] is increasing earlier in the morning and it is best
[56:00] to reopen the streets the traffic earlier than seven thirty
[56:03] AM so the proposal is after the downtown I wonder
[56:07] parking restriction ... from eleven PM to six AM instead
[56:11] of twelve thirty AM to seven thirty six and speak
[56:17] oh sorry your worship all just think of the amount
[56:19] of money and I do live chat with her but
[56:21] I think this is the one the claimed the prostration
[56:24] many people within the previous hours I think this will
[56:27] be a lot about the conflict answer Martin I think
[56:30] it worked very well with my command staff for clinical
[56:33] thank you thank you councillor Hanlon deputy mayor
[56:38] yeah no I I agree I think that this is
[56:39] a smart way and I think this is true continuous
[56:42] improvement to an action because we do see a number
[56:45] of people in the downtown core oftentimes working out you'll
[56:49] see a lot of people who access said the gyms
[56:52] and things like that that are in the downtown core
[56:53] and as well ... anybody who like the businesses at
[56:57] that point in time or shut down and and with
[57:00] the exception of some late night activities and those activities
[57:03] are usually involving alcohol and they're you know they're vampires
[57:09] and things like that so went the driving aspect shouldn't
[57:11] shouldn't even actually be a factor at that point in
[57:13] time and so I think that this is a great
[57:16] way to clean it up and to enable our crews
[57:19] to do work better job certain streets of thank you
[57:22] Lynn and to you and staff councillor Korab I'm certainly
[57:25] in favor of it but I do not like making
[57:27] any decisions about downtown unless we talk to downtown people
[57:31] the adept downtown Saint John we had any communication with
[57:34] them about this or run this by
[57:36] at this this should be in the residential
[57:40] of the downtown now now waters not the commercial area
[57:44] hi retract my comment
[57:49] it it would also include the data but it's only
[57:52] when we do removals right it's not it's not a
[57:55] parking ban I don't know I don't know that yeah
[57:57] I guess that answers I guess what I'm into this
[58:00] is that it it applies more to the areas that
[58:04] are not included in the outside the downtown my comments
[58:07] back on that so do we talk to take jobs
[58:09] but this
[58:11] and we we didn't but we can I I don't
[58:13] anticipate an issue yeah I'm fine
[58:16] zdummyz.
[58:17] your worship above the border downtown Johnson this is something
[58:20] they would welcome this is something we talked about before
[58:23] so in in I don't know and then and then
[58:26] reach out to directly but we've had discovered before that
[58:29] we want in the past so this is something that
[58:32] would be welcome because exactly at the deputy mayor said
[58:35] his business partner of operating a current with the bad
[58:38] would be on this one that will be the exam
[58:40] there's no good we we we couldn't really understand them
[58:44] ... and the diversity of it will be point will
[58:47] be yeah therefore backbone for snow removal and you know
[58:53] for the winter motel and in the business area because
[58:56] understand that there was a lot more
[58:58] that will dollars between the two ... people sex workers
[59:02] as we move of of of of garbage it is
[59:06] a delivery call happened at all heard so this will
[59:08] be about the bill was up
[59:10] and I will get you a quote for to them
[59:12] work really in a formal and informal
[59:16] okay thank you councillor Hanlon and as well the forty
[59:19] six the ... that bad still remains in fact right
[59:24] so every night the cars have to be off the
[59:26] street by four in the morning every night
[59:29] anyway you know to meet ... soul all of them
[59:34] all work work together
[59:36] councillor Hickman so this was withdrawn employees for those streets
[59:42] are designated for that night you know with the sticks
[59:44] in the banks normally
[59:46] yeah
[59:47] right now all it's wanna command was with her once
[59:49] again her very progressive the
[59:52] the idea here thank
[59:56] councillor for hours just want to know that if we
[59:58] proceed with this and it sounds like we are ...
[1:00:00] I need full probably required as well the notes in
[1:00:02] here in the note that that to meet the deadline
[1:00:05] for the winter print winter edition of the city guide
[1:00:08] and has to be made by the second of November
[1:00:12] okay
[1:00:14] any further comments moved by councillor for road seconded by
[1:00:18] councillor Hanlon
[1:00:22] yes your worship call the question
[1:00:43] motions carrot
[1:00:45] he sidewalk snow clearing
[1:00:55] 18 ms Windsor goes
[1:00:59] all of frame M. so this is Amy and
[1:01:05] a decision no I was an information as well ...
[1:01:09] on that motion passed by council a few weeks back
[1:01:12] ... regarding sidewalk snow clearing so that addresses several of
[1:01:15] those particular points and so as a reminder we we
[1:01:20] discussed ... this no provide some I I option for
[1:01:23] direction to reprioritize the existing sidewalk sidewalk routes ... it
[1:01:29] speaks to the training and supervision supervision within the sidewalk
[1:01:34] snow clearing system and approach
[1:01:37] and speaks to that piece of the motion that to
[1:01:40] her call for a conversation on house roads are prioritize
[1:01:44] things like free up resources so it's a lot of
[1:01:46] content in here I think it again makes sense to
[1:01:48] do it section by section as we just have the
[1:01:51] previous conversation because so many layers to it ...
[1:01:55] so what we'll do the the first one first and
[1:01:58] so the the proposition is in the note and actually
[1:02:03] allow staff to look through it because I I don't
[1:02:06] wanna trip up on it ... but it's basically recognizing
[1:02:09] that there's a fixed amount of resources to deliver on
[1:02:11] sidewalk snow clearing and this is an option of re
[1:02:14] prioritizing ... some of those sidewalks that we cleared so
[1:02:19] that there's a readjustment because we have we have too
[1:02:23] many priority ones to get through the party once in
[1:02:25] a ride in a reliable timelines of the public and
[1:02:27] doesn't have a have a route that they can rely
[1:02:30] on getting around ...
[1:02:33] and ... yeah so that's those are different points on
[1:02:36] all head over to staff to to go through the
[1:02:39] details of that
[1:02:42] okay yes so to expand on that so ... some
[1:02:46] of the feedback we received in the public engagement ...
[1:02:49] that we did on sidewalk snow clearing after the winter
[1:02:51] of course was even though certain ... sections of routes
[1:02:56] were priority one it still took a long time to
[1:02:58] get a clear ... and this is something that we
[1:03:01] we've been been aware of ... that we had too
[1:03:04] many priority one so you know if your whole system
[1:03:06] is a priority one and effectively nothing is a priority
[1:03:09] one so we have gone through all the sidewalk groups
[1:03:14] and effectively we've taken a so one side of streets
[1:03:18] will remain priority one but the second site instead of
[1:03:22] having two sides of the same street being a priority
[1:03:25] ones in order to ... to be able to get
[1:03:29] more streets more sidewalks cleared will only do one side
[1:03:34] so the first side of arterial roads ... and the
[1:03:39] downtown
[1:03:41] at this downtown business district would stay a priority one
[1:03:45] your schools would effectively be a higher priority to one
[1:03:48] so we just got them call priority one eight so
[1:03:51] that would be all your schools owns us the first
[1:03:53] first thing we do ... priority to would now be
[1:03:58] your second side of your multi lane arterial roads and
[1:04:02] the downtown business district and first side of collectors in
[1:04:06] your priority three would be the second side of any
[1:04:09] remaining arterial roads that have both sides service and and
[1:04:14] we have very few private priority force but basically be
[1:04:17] the second side of ... collector streets so effectively we
[1:04:22] won't be to priority we won't have priority one and
[1:04:25] two sides of the streets we would focus on one
[1:04:28] and we've arranged it in a fashion so that you
[1:04:31] have a whip ups clear sidewalks going through the city
[1:04:34] so it would enable pedestrians get from you know whatever
[1:04:37] to point a to point B. is more effectively you
[1:04:39] know instead of spending too time due to sides of
[1:04:42] one area we've moved on and now we're doing when
[1:04:45] we no it's a longer stretch of a priority one
[1:04:48] thing that makes sense
[1:04:54] deputy mayor
[1:05:01] sorry
[1:05:02] the thanks very much Leanne and I think that that
[1:05:06] and you know from my understanding of what's being presented
[1:05:08] here now that that really would make an improvement ...
[1:05:12] it again it seems to
[1:05:15] help clean up a little bit about can activity ...
[1:05:18] which of course is the ongoing issue when we talk
[1:05:21] about any any plan and set them mobility or transportation
[1:05:25] in the city so I think that this certainly sounds
[1:05:28] like a move in the right direction and the Garcia
[1:05:32] sidewalks because we just want to ensure that people once
[1:05:35] they get on a sidewalk or going to suddenly come
[1:05:38] to a barrier and then you know be forced out
[1:05:41] into the road and so I I know that it's
[1:05:44] probably and not and and on a grand scale this
[1:05:48] this this change but I think it'll help put the
[1:05:50] game in the vein of consistency so from first blush
[1:05:54] here this really does seem like a good improvement to
[1:05:56] me thank you
[1:05:59] further comments councillor Skinner
[1:06:03] your worship just a forum for some context
[1:06:07] the main sorry network main the downtown business district as
[1:06:13] it's defined in this note ... I'm just curious as
[1:06:16] to how far north west coast is a doctor street
[1:06:21] is it queens road is an American road when we
[1:06:25] say we are going to do the downtown business district
[1:06:28] I'm just wondering how far we've
[1:06:30] it's just water and of course
[1:06:35] okay thank you
[1:06:40] councillor Collins
[1:06:42] yes ... just former obviously priority mostly running on the
[1:06:46] one side and a sort of
[1:06:49] together because
[1:06:50] I think we went lots of free to be quicker
[1:06:52] to come back to the movie please press town within
[1:06:56] the street get a priority one but a lot of
[1:06:58] these if you're sending
[1:07:01] yeah okay
[1:07:02] thank you councillor Hickman ... you have stolen and the
[1:07:07] that but is there a separate contract for downtown we
[1:07:10] so what when you say downtown in this context how
[1:07:12] does that work what what impact do they have or
[1:07:15] how does it take you back out to the country
[1:07:19] it just means that will be ... advise you know
[1:07:22] will be directing the contractor in how how to do
[1:07:25] what priorities first right so it means you might get
[1:07:27] a of you'll have a cut on Water Street and
[1:07:30] Duckworth street before I guess you do the second side
[1:07:32] of Water Street but it'll it'll just be done in
[1:07:34] a more
[1:07:36] in a more efficient process to maximize the number of
[1:07:40] of sidewalks are the faster we can get site sidewalks
[1:07:43] done so people will have somewhere to ... to walk
[1:07:49] your worship yes councillor had
[1:07:53] I don't know I didn't want to step on council
[1:07:55] has nobody finished he's finished
[1:07:59] at first I think this is really good because I
[1:08:01] know we want to we all want to improve snowball
[1:08:04] clearing but we also know the restraints we have with
[1:08:07] our budget so it seems to me what we're going
[1:08:09] to do we're going to do very well alright commended
[1:08:12] ivory I will be able to put it so I
[1:08:14] think I think will be improvements and I think you
[1:08:16] can
[1:08:17] what we are doing a little too much for a
[1:08:20] better job of it I think the public will increase
[1:08:22] the task thank you worship
[1:08:25] councillor Skinner yeah thank you your worship again I'm just
[1:08:28] trying to ...
[1:08:29] wrap my head around how this will operationally functions so
[1:08:33] if I may business owner on Water Street I'm going
[1:08:36] to have one side of the street down
[1:08:39] and continue on to the other priority one areas to
[1:08:43] get those done before looping back to do the other
[1:08:46] side
[1:08:48] and I asked earlier I don't know if the same
[1:08:50] timelines apply but I asked earlier about how long it
[1:08:53] would take and I was told twelve hours for one
[1:08:55] o'clock twenty four hours for the second sorry because we'd
[1:08:58] be looking at twelve to twenty four hours before that
[1:09:01] second one it would be different times
[1:09:05] this sidewalk snow clearing program has much different timelines and
[1:09:09] the streets to
[1:09:11] 
[1:09:12] so don't volunteer chair
[1:09:16] so the current timelines for sidewalk snow clearing is four
[1:09:20] to seven days after an event
[1:09:24] and every time it snows we have to restart our
[1:09:27] priorities so if it snows on a Monday and then
[1:09:30] it snows on a Wednesday timeline starts again on Wednesday
[1:09:34] so we're full with the current resources we have we're
[1:09:38] four to seven days for getting the entire sidewalk routes
[1:09:42] complete now the downtown business area does have a contractor
[1:09:47] in place ... the timelines may be better down there
[1:09:51] but as a telling you exactly when one side will
[1:09:53] be cleared exactly when the other side would be cleared
[1:09:56] for timelines for that I would be able to give
[1:09:58] you that data
[1:10:00] so I'm to understand then that one side of the
[1:10:03] street could be done and it could be days
[1:10:07] before the other side
[1:10:11] yeah
[1:10:21] yes
[1:10:22] I'll just add that harbor drive is also included in
[1:10:25] that contract downtown
[1:10:27] ... so the contract includes water bottle water all touch
[1:10:31] Duckworth and one side of her drive so what we're
[1:10:35] going to do with with that contract is we're going
[1:10:37] to spell out you know we have we have decided
[1:10:40] north or south get back what once had water come
[1:10:42] back second come back once on top worth to one
[1:10:46] side of her drive then start second salt of water
[1:10:49] and property in typically in in other seasons he ...
[1:10:55] he being the contractor
[1:10:57] ... nobody has that ready for business open in the
[1:11:01] morning ... I will add to that the downtown
[1:11:05] a business district we do a lot of snow removal
[1:11:08] down there so it's easier somewhat easier to plow the
[1:11:11] sidewalks because there's less snowbanks on her cell the contractors
[1:11:16] typically
[1:11:17] so much easier to plow because of the lack of
[1:11:21] snow remains unsolved mysteries
[1:11:24] so we don't get into a four seven day normally
[1:11:27] foundered normally hours
[1:11:30] to get to get downtown business district clout
[1:11:37] I appreciate the information your worship all just
[1:11:40] no monitor myself and see how it goes yeah it's
[1:11:43] it's it's a different it's it's a whole different set
[1:11:46] up because of the because of the private contractor down
[1:11:48] there but I I I think it's fair to say
[1:11:51] that in most cases with a fifteen or twenty centimetre
[1:11:54] snowfall that the sidewalks are usually complete is ... water
[1:11:59] drug works all the time businesses are opening in the
[1:12:03] morning or late morning
[1:12:07] and of course would not just sidewalk snow clearing but
[1:12:09] for all snow clearing it depends on when the small
[1:12:12] stops at most stops at six AM
[1:12:15] ... we're never going to get everything done by the
[1:12:17] time business opens at a on and off we get
[1:12:19] more time we'll have it all
[1:12:22] she was worshipped
[1:12:25] ... dramatically downtown thanks we've put in the downtown park
[1:12:29] loop walk that detailed topo removal ... the last three
[1:12:33] years ago thank you for that in the parking this
[1:12:36] overbuild including the sidewalk has little closer
[1:12:43] yes your worship and use it you can tell
[1:12:47] if you leave goals of Kerr brought anywhere you go
[1:12:49] downtown they don't have as much all note near earth
[1:12:53] watch all three do you know so is less known
[1:12:55] outer you need golden at home and you do a
[1:12:58] drive or something Gary be an hour go down there
[1:13:00] and ten minutes you know you don't have enough good
[1:13:04] looks old lady more rainy
[1:13:07] the drive and Pitts memorial drive you can see the
[1:13:08] difference as you as you go into arts house lands
[1:13:12] in the hallway yeah
[1:13:16] I'm agreeing with council
[1:13:18] I always agree with you don't
[1:13:20] it's councillor for
[1:13:24] thank you and I just wanted to make clear it
[1:13:26] so the con and asked David when and to make
[1:13:30] sure I'm correct the contractor only covers water Duckworth and
[1:13:33] harbor Dr grant yeah so it's not the point of
[1:13:36] making by reinforcing that is it's not as if they're
[1:13:39] going to be called up to another street to do
[1:13:42] it before doing the other side of Water Street they're
[1:13:44] gonna it's a solution to make it done and until
[1:13:48] it's complete
[1:13:51] any further comments
[1:13:53] okay ... what sorry it was so what I'd ask
[1:13:56] staff to speak to a little bit is so this
[1:13:59] as part of the motion was a conversation on lane
[1:14:01] ways stairways and crosswalks as well and that's not addressed
[1:14:04] here and that's fine and that is a big piece
[1:14:06] of work okay ... but I just wanted to note
[1:14:09] that for the listening public in the staff of any
[1:14:11] any comments to say on on that consideration in the
[1:14:15] linen yeah so ... we're go the plan is to
[1:14:18] bring that forward to the next made a whole where
[1:14:21] if it was up a lot of work to get
[1:14:23] to pull all this to together so we did and
[1:14:25] we didn't want to I guess even though this is
[1:14:27] a lot to bring forward to council we didn't want
[1:14:29] to bring even more in the council today so we're
[1:14:32] going to the plan is to bring that forward it
[1:14:34] to the next meeting hall
[1:14:38] deputy mayor
[1:14:40] yeah no I just wanna say that they'd be in
[1:14:42] the same way issue certainly is it has been an
[1:14:44] ongoing contentious issue for some time and I I'm I'm
[1:14:46] really looking forward to more discussion and information around that
[1:14:49] and how we can continue to improve that service so
[1:14:52] thank you
[1:14:53] 
[1:14:56] sure councillor Collins said your worship what pressure crow Dave
[1:15:00] said dear with listings it here windows no stops got
[1:15:05] a big factor shoulder it was also on sept twelve
[1:15:08] one o'clock tonight you'll get something more in the job
[1:15:11] is done perfect if that's not five or six o'clock
[1:15:14] in the morning you'll gets out and everybody looked up
[1:15:17] to the window under street is not the owner is
[1:15:19] a nightmare so whatever time snow snaps this so how
[1:15:22] good of a job you gates and also when it
[1:15:24] starts because it starts to o'clock in the afternoon you
[1:15:27] know at six o'clock in the evening it's it's dangling
[1:15:30] out there
[1:15:31] you can't get around so you're good point councillor Collins
[1:15:35] so moved by councillor Froude seconded by
[1:15:39] councillor Hickman call the question
[1:15:44] yup
[1:15:46] I think we can do them all together
[1:15:52] M. all Sir which which all ... the other two
[1:15:57] points yes
[1:16:00] yeah
[1:16:01] hold on now maybe I'm
[1:16:05] okay nope sorry point one I was looking at sorry
[1:16:08] I was looking a priority one eight months as being
[1:16:11] point sorry yeah just ... doing point one
[1:16:22] what
[1:16:28] that's too many numbers
[1:16:31] it's too many numbers
[1:16:47] 
[1:17:03] motions carries
[1:17:07] point to me again
[1:17:10] M. point to it there's no motion attached point two
[1:17:13] unless council feels otherwise I suppose ... but it's it's
[1:17:17] say it lays out the the supervision and the training
[1:17:22] that same place for the operators ... and forever and
[1:17:26] the approach ... so I'm not going to go through
[1:17:28] those details I think it's laid out there while I'm
[1:17:31] if there any questions by
[1:17:41] I don't think there's a motion on the
[1:17:46] okay
[1:17:48] we'll put your seconding in abeyance for next time we
[1:17:50] need a second
[1:17:56] your worship just a question if I could one of
[1:17:58] the
[1:17:59] issues that I've been ... talked about already is the
[1:18:03] issue of private contractors plowing either under the sidewalks or
[1:18:08] into the street moving window leaving wind rows of small
[1:18:12] that have ... complicated work of our own pro war
[1:18:16] in fact reversed a good work that they've done and
[1:18:19] I'm just wondering what ... what policies what approach we
[1:18:23] have to that how do we respond to that I
[1:18:26] guess is what I'm trying to understand
[1:18:31] city solicitor
[1:18:33] so we have provisions in our bylaws that prevent
[1:18:37] ... contractors are citizens from doing exactly what you're speaking
[1:18:40] about so we have an enforcement mechanism I'm we have
[1:18:44] ... public work staff will go out and do inspections
[1:18:47] and ... provide if they signed that that has happened
[1:18:52] ... go to the enforcement process and lead to a
[1:18:55] prosecution
[1:18:58] so what that inspection process be on a complaint basis
[1:19:01] or would it be as a part of their normal
[1:19:03] operations actually reviewing ... now some of some of the
[1:19:08] enforcement of that right
[1:19:11] yeah we've been working and cooperating with the public works
[1:19:14] department tried to do all we can improve that enforcement
[1:19:17] mechanism ... with regards to the operational if there's inspection
[1:19:22] I'll have to ask David or Lynn and speak to
[1:19:25] that because I'm not sure if it's just complaint basis
[1:19:27] or if we actually do have ... the resources to
[1:19:31] be able to have a staff staff person going right
[1:19:33] doing inspections without a complaint I I do know that
[1:19:36] there are probably enough complaints that
[1:19:39] dealing with that is is quite at a heavy task
[1:19:42] some
[1:19:44] yes so we do have inspectors that do after every
[1:19:47] snowfall of and the ... well I travel the city
[1:19:51] to look for areas and we see or speak to
[1:19:53] residents or contractors or you know ... and make sure
[1:19:57] they understand are not permitted to do that we also
[1:19:59] deal with complaints that they also are C. and a
[1:20:03] monitoring at contracts as as well so yeah we are
[1:20:06] we are if they're trying to do is as best
[1:20:07] we can to ensure that ... cleared sidewalks are not
[1:20:11] plowed in by private contractors or you know residents or
[1:20:14] whatever
[1:20:19] further comments
[1:20:22] okay
[1:20:23] NexPoint
[1:20:25] the point 3
[1:20:29] if I may add to the previous one just before
[1:20:31] serve on and we've made some modifications and staff and
[1:20:35] speak to this more detail but made some concern last
[1:20:38] year with the quality of private that private contractors we
[1:20:40] have we've hired so for instance let's with Avenue had
[1:20:42] a lot of concerns on the quality of the clearing
[1:20:45] so there's been some changes to how those are ...
[1:20:48] what those contracts say to ensure that there are better
[1:20:51] accountability mechanisms in place to ensure that that that's quality
[1:20:55] work
[1:21:00] so that the last point there is
[1:21:04] was that suggestion for a conversation on and with that
[1:21:07] there's a re prioritize ation possible for some local streets
[1:21:10] to free up resources ... for sidewalk snow clearing and
[1:21:14] I think the the note lays it out well ...
[1:21:17] but in briefs ... I I support what what's written
[1:21:21] here and and I also a motion when the time
[1:21:23] comes first status quo our for our local streets are
[1:21:26] prioritized ... it said it notes that and some of
[1:21:32] these things are obvious but we have a very temperate
[1:21:34] climate which results in a lot of rain and or
[1:21:36] snow melt immediately after so far so that rain and
[1:21:39] melt because there's no way to get wet and heavy
[1:21:41] very quickly ... which turns the ace and there are
[1:21:45] the most significant challenges service delivery is the ability to
[1:21:47] recover completely after an event for subsequent event occur so
[1:21:51] we have snow and rain and freezing rain and then
[1:21:54] ... more snow on top of it gets packed in
[1:21:56] really hard and it's difficult to ... to remove it
[1:22:01] ...
[1:22:02] so any change to how we would do the streets
[1:22:05] I will lead to that sort of scenario where there's
[1:22:08] rocks there's rocks in the street routes of snow in
[1:22:10] the street me quite difficult to get through ... as
[1:22:14] it's a mix of ice and snow and there
[1:22:19] one of the reasons so I'm I'm supportive of of
[1:22:22] status quo because it is that's not a satisfactory
[1:22:26] changing is not satisfactory route for vehicles but it's also
[1:22:29] not a satisfactory route for pedestrians because if you're street
[1:22:32] is is is full of rocks and ice that means
[1:22:35] the vehicle is there it's it's riskier to have a
[1:22:38] vehicle on the street which means if there's a pedestrian
[1:22:41] ... using that same street they have no space or
[1:22:44] there's a greater risk in in a vehicle pedestrian means
[1:22:47] in an unsafe on safe place ... so I think
[1:22:51] I think status quo make sense ... for moving forward
[1:22:57] good councillor Hickman
[1:23:00] the
[1:23:02] I just have a quick comics like this was directed
[1:23:04] at me part of the site and talk with this
[1:23:07] for a long time I wouldn't I would I would
[1:23:10] not take it personally no worse but no I appreciate
[1:23:14] I agree discussions with them about this then and she
[1:23:18] optional is a lot more than I do and I
[1:23:20] understand fully the need to make sure you pick up
[1:23:23] off the ice
[1:23:24] and keep the drains on plugged sector I'd like to
[1:23:27] understand sometimes it's it's been known them this is leave
[1:23:31] that redo it what it doesn't need to be done
[1:23:33] the asphalt is bare except for we can use our
[1:23:35] resources elsewhere and times like that that's all I'm saying
[1:23:38] but I understand that telling him to repeat for shore
[1:23:42] so thanks for the clarification and school mile scolding
[1:23:50] I was scolding
[1:23:53] councillor out yeah sure sure a lot of hundred implausible
[1:23:56] around people teach that there will
[1:23:59] you know how from around industries don't they're going back
[1:24:04] around eleven thousand catch basins and uptown some of practice
[1:24:06] from right and we will get it gets business done
[1:24:09] in on the water mix when the status of milk
[1:24:11] in the water all over the place because you can't
[1:24:13] get down it's based so it's a lot of times
[1:24:16] there to ... they're going to have to go through
[1:24:18] both of them most of the time the truth which
[1:24:21] is
[1:24:23] any further comments
[1:24:29] so
[1:24:31] there's no need for a motion on that one either
[1:24:35] both
[1:24:36] right
[1:24:38] okay
[1:24:39] yes councillor Korab is sickening all the non motions
[1:24:45] so that's it for that
[1:24:47] of course thanks very much for that work by the
[1:24:50] way in and Dave this and your staff that was
[1:24:53] a good piece of work to get that taken care
[1:24:56] of as a lot of information on this
[1:24:59] yes or there's a fourth line
[1:25:02] lawyers
[1:25:04] point 4 or 4
[1:25:08] retain the current level of service
[1:25:18] the council maintain the current level of service on local
[1:25:21] streets so that was for information purposes only it was
[1:25:24] that
[1:25:26] okay
[1:25:32] or is
[1:25:33] thank you very much
[1:25:36] community services inclusion advisory committee
[1:25:44] this one councillor Stapleton ... yes your worship this is
[1:25:49] Chuck ... the council requested feedback from the closer by
[1:25:52] the committee ... there's quite a number of
[1:25:58] request and discussions that's attached to this
[1:26:04] 
[1:26:06] estreme ma feedback and I want ... council to actually
[1:26:12] have a good look at it because there's quite a
[1:26:15] number of issues that the inclusion vice three committee ...
[1:26:19] came up with ... because of the pedestrian mall and
[1:26:23] before you make any decisions for next year or thereafter
[1:26:28] ... reading need to look at ... inclusion at accessibility
[1:26:35] there's quite a there has been a number of issues
[1:26:39] ... decks ... white ... and the pedestrian mall going
[1:26:45] too fast skateboards ... so it's we had reported here
[1:26:52] to have council have every damn deep look at all
[1:26:56] the issues that the inclusion of ours we committee had
[1:27:00] an average to mall and ... hopefully next year they
[1:27:05] will all these long we'll be there thank you
[1:27:09] okay thank you ... it says resolution is that something
[1:27:13] that's
[1:27:15] we're gonna to debate
[1:27:17] councillor Stapleton is moving the resolution as put third resolution
[1:27:22] thank me to read it that council review the recommendations
[1:27:24] put forward by the inclusion committee for the downtown pedestrian
[1:27:28] mall and share with all relevant parties recommendations the Cokesbury
[1:27:33] implications for those with vision loss such as wayfinding indication
[1:27:37] of a upcoming ramps and obstacles and sidewalks shoring ramps
[1:27:42] me coat a slip resistant and lead to a deck
[1:27:45] that can be maneuvered by wheelchair access to accessible washrooms
[1:27:49] for criticism all users accessible parking located inside the mall
[1:27:55] was hazardous and a need for inclusion education among business
[1:27:59] and security staff in the area and I'm not great
[1:28:02] seconded by deputy mayor you comments
[1:28:05] your worship I'd like to
[1:28:08] go ahead councillor handles
[1:28:11] thank you your worship yes I I I I would
[1:28:13] also doubly second this is well I think this is
[1:28:16] what's meters and ... Mr Bolick well doll was that
[1:28:21] it was a dog rather quickly and there was invited
[1:28:25] to the mobile phone well the recommendations that basic plan
[1:28:29] everyone deserves the right to start all over I don't
[1:28:32] think that would be special asking for this to be
[1:28:35] created fairly like everyone else and I think this is
[1:28:38] very much welcome and I know that that was her
[1:28:41] concern as well as business owners what was the value
[1:28:44] worship so I think that the welcome and I'll be
[1:28:47] working on behalf in sort of back up thank you
[1:28:52] thank you very much councillor and
[1:28:56] any further comments
[1:28:58] call the question
[1:29:16] 
[1:29:23] also
[1:29:30] so
[1:29:40] your worship okay just waiting for councillor for how to
[1:29:44] return to his seat and then where
[1:29:51] 
[1:29:53] yes
[1:29:59] 
[1:30:01] the voters
[1:30:03] motions carries
[1:30:08] councillor councillor proudly we assume that you're in support of
[1:30:10] that resolution yeah
[1:30:14] 
[1:30:17] see what I mean about the rules are a little
[1:30:18] bit different councillors should
[1:30:22] yeah
[1:30:24] it's like going to an auction to put your hand
[1:30:25] up we got to be really careful when you do
[1:30:27] this ... Shea heights community center board of directors
[1:30:33] 
[1:30:36] right all of the year
[1:30:39] this
[1:30:41] is your worship is the board of directors it was
[1:30:43] a
[1:30:45] a few changes in the terms of reference after last
[1:30:47] time it and it was two thousand sixteen and
[1:30:52] it is a few their own cultural mob the main
[1:30:54] one is to help health center in trail it's usually
[1:30:58] just resource armor but now they're making data X. issue
[1:31:03] decision not only does he joked Pasco school
[1:31:08] so I moved recommendation we're going to weeks a lot
[1:31:11] of work after going into this
[1:31:13] so motor nation that the acceptance
[1:31:17] there's any questions current sheriff's American service department is here
[1:31:22] but the north is going to speak but he has
[1:31:25] any questions current if you wanted to have your comments
[1:31:35] Hey I got there I got ... yeah I just
[1:31:37] this is that produced report we were very very few
[1:31:40] the terms of reference of dish they had Shea heights
[1:31:42] that community center board every couple years so we just
[1:31:46] went through a review and the board has reviewed all
[1:31:49] this and was in favor of everything the point here
[1:31:52] a few things that we just add it was some
[1:31:55] further clarification around subcommittees and how that can be allies
[1:31:59] with the board ... the appointment of directors ensuring that
[1:32:03] there's equality inclusiveness within our board from that perspective we
[1:32:08] worked with Elaine oriented team to ensure that some of
[1:32:11] the language within our own advisory committees are also reflected
[1:32:14] in this terms of reference or as well from a
[1:32:16] consistency perspective that would be around confidentiality set and we
[1:32:22] also added some acceptable method of communication ensuring that ...
[1:32:27] boards items are not communicated through social media platforms and
[1:32:31] done through manner which acceptable with all board members so
[1:32:36] conflict of interest statement was also at is and the
[1:32:39] process for the election of executives so it's put into
[1:32:43] the terms of reference itself any questions
[1:32:50] so moved by councillor Collins seconded by
[1:32:54] councillor Skinner
[1:32:57] any further comment
[1:32:59] call the question
[1:33:15] motions courage
[1:33:17] that is our agenda
[1:33:21] thank you very much meeting adjourned
[1:33:24] we're
[1:33:27] soon as
[1:33:30] are we