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just don't don't hope for a lot of wins

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that's right let me tell let me let me
speak before we get started here if

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you're going to speak before the council
we have a little card here we'd like you

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to fill out if you would do that Ms
Martin has them I think there may be

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some out on the desk or on the on the
table outside if you just simply fill it

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out it'll give me an opportunity to keep
up with whomever

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um and we're also going to keep any
discussion of the agenda items with the

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agenda there's two places in our meeting
our normal meeting where

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the citizens can make comments that two
sections are for just general comments

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about whatever may be going on right now
but let's reserve the comments about the

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agenda items for the agenda items do you
understand what I'm saying to you

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somebody acknowledged me please it's
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all right very good we'll get started in
just a minute

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there he is Mr Winfrey how are you this
evening sir good to see you

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how are you sir

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is that a different one yeah
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I don't
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I think so the pilots speak for 30
minutes opponents a bottle

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then cancels questions too
yep that's that's unlike we've done I

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don't mind
the weird last night

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the developer speaks if we have
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just a question then you have to talk
about

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while they're building your question oh
okay all right so okay

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we'll cover something
anybody ask you a question

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anyone
don't don't hesitate to prompt me all

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right

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people just do
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and there was a big call right right
here

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I did yes perfect thank you
because I know the last time we were

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bringing Maps yeah

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perfect okay so yes thank you for that
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foreign

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okay
that's okay

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what about some new ones

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here let me show you this position
somebody says

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very good

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we can send it

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um

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where they had
some company Craig Hopkins

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good stirring yourself

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post contact

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let's do it please do

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good evening everyone this is February
the 9th 2023 this is our normal monthly

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town hall meeting and I'm calling it to
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first order of business is our Pledge of
Allegiance if you would join me please

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it stands one nation under God
indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all

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your education

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yeah Mr Jones will do our invocation
folks if you would bow your heads please

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dear Lord we thank you for this town we
thank you for the citizens and for our

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community for all all the many blessings
that we have we'd ask that you lead and

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guide and direct this Council and give
this Council wisdom

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and we ask that your will be done not
ours in Jesus name amen amen thank you

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councilman Jones
review of the agenda

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Mr Mayor I have a couple changes to make
yes sir if we could continue item number

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18 a consideration for proposal for
Hazen and Sawyer for plan review and

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intermittent inspection with Hazen and
Sawyer I'd like to continue that to the

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March meeting

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yes sir in addition I'd like to have an
addition under old business if we could

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call it item 10
a uh Miss Martin I believe received the

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documentation from the dot concerning
the speed limit change on Athens Road

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right here by the school and I believe
we we need to discuss and vote on that

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10A additional discussion item
all right anything else

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Mr Mayor I want to add a couple of
different items yes sir

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this can go at the end the end of our
agenda but that would be to discuss an

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increase in our plan review fee say that
again that would be to discuss excuse me

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a discussion to review and discuss a
possible increase in our plan review fee

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for new subdivisions okay and by
extension of this also the inspection

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fees for new subdivisions for our water
system

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Japan

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and then the second one would be a
discussion regarding the protection of

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our water meter vaults
near driveways

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can we include in the same discussion I
would rather you didn't okay I'm going

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to make this 18a
and 18 B

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is the Vault discussion

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so anything else

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I'll make a motion that we approve and
adopt the agenda with those changes oh

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second
any discussion

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Mr Rigsby
aye Mr blandreth

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Mr Foy hand Overlook you sir you're good
Mr Jones all right and I'm also I

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I make a motion that we adopt the
minutes from May 5th 2022 it's a special

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call Budget Workshop
a second-hand motion

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any discussion

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Mr Rigsby
aye Mr Floyd

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aye Mr Landreth aye Mr Jones aye and I
am also I I move that we adopt the

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minutes
from the October the 13th 2022

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meeting
a second

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I think we need to clarify that's the
closed session minutes yeah okay yeah

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it's good we accept that commitment no
that's the that's the uh that's October

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13th meeting that wasn't a closed
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closed session is January 12th
the mayor that both of them are closest

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I got you I'm sorry
yeah I'm sorry all right

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any discussion
Mr Rigsby

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uh aye Mr Floyd aye Mr Landreth aye Mr
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aye and I am also I
Public Safety report Stokesdale Fire

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Department fire chief Mr Todd you have
another set of closed sessions for

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January 12th
Miss Martin are you sure we didn't vote

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on news at the last council meeting we
had it but we didn't vote on them we had

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them but we didn't vote on that that's
correct we didn't vote okay okay forgive

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me then
Todd if you don't mind just hold on just

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a second we'll bring this other one up I
make a motion that we adopt the closed

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session minutes for January the 12th
2023.

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second
is there any discussion

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Mr Rigsby
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aye Mr Landreth aye Mr Jones
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Chief you got the floor good evening
Council and citizens uh

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so quick report for the Stokesdale fire
department and our activities in January

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uh we ran a total of 74 calls of those
47 were medical related seven fire

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related and 20 that fell in the uh the
other categories

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so we're maintaining a
an average monthly we just continue to

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uh to stay busy unfortunately
um our safety tip for the month is

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something that we really jump on one
time a year and that's around daylight

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savings time and that's our smoke
detectors everybody check your batteries

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change your batteries and stuff like
that tonight I just wanted to hit on

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something that sometimes we Overlook
with those and that is

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um checking them even more often but
more so than that if you have a child or

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young one in your house if you have
someone elderly or if your parents are

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out on their own and they happen to be
elderly periodically test that thing so

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they know what the sound is because in
this day and age we have phones going

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off we have all kind of electronic
issues that make different sounds

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different noises and just make them
aware if they hear that what it what it

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is
um you know all you have to be around is

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a group and you'll hear all kind of
tones on phones and stuff like that and

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somebody you know could very easily get
confused but we want everybody to know

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if you hear that in the middle of the
night when you're already tired and

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sleepy and you wake up to something like
that going on and you know what it is

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and we really stress with the young and
with the elderly to make sure that that

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they know what's going on and check
those batteries more than one time a

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year
that's it thank you everybody good

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evening thank you sir
uh we have a deputy with us this evening

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for the Sheriff's Department

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good evening Corporal Swearingen the
sheriff's office

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um for the month of January we ran 216
calls for service in the town of

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Stokesdale resulting in 13 formal case
reports a couple of highlights for us is

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we are still actively investigating the
January 10th shooting at the 7 900 block

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of Leicester Road detectives are still
actively investing in that and on

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January 19th we responded to an
aggravated domestic assault in the 8 000

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block of Oak Creek Drive in which the
offender was arrested on-site without

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any incident
um a couple other things just reminding

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everybody again to make sure you don't
leave anything locked up in your cars

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overnight or leave your doors unlocked
because your neighbors to the south of

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Oak Ridge have recently had a few
string of car break-ins and usually the

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group
if it's a group they'll move from one

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town to the next so just a friendly
reminder please don't keep any valuables

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in your car if you come out and enjoy
the park leave your valuables at the

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house don't leave them in the car
because we've had instances where people

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are seeing backpacks or
computer bags or anything and they'll

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just smash the window and take them off
the of course aren't unlocked so just

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please keep your valuables hidden safe
thank you thank you Deputy appreciate it

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cool administrative reports
our clerk Dale Martin

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we've had um
kind of sounds funny only one meter

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installed this month but that's going to
change very soon we had 10 applications

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for transfers of service 10 work orders
were processed

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46 811 calls were serviced 735 water
bills were mailed out and 35 meters are

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on hold for for the builders as you are
aware we had a recent water break on

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Highway 68 we'd just like to thank Gene
Yates Gene Robertson and Yates

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construction for their timely response
on that

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this past month Miss Thacker and Mr
Wagner both attended an American Rescue

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plan best practices management webinar
on January 25th

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um we had vandalism in the park we
received the mirror replacement today so

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we'll be getting that installed
staff has assisted

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um various agencies as well as
staff in the town park Committee in

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putting together the rfps for the
playground Amphitheater basketball

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courts and pickleball courts and the
rfqs for Engineering Services for the

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water line extension projects coming up
staff has worked with various agencies

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on the
huge amount of paperwork that is

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associated with each of these grants
that will be ongoing for a while through

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both the state budget office as well as
Guilford County we have the 50 000

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Capital Improvement equipment Grant and
the 1.1 Municipal Water System

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Improvement Grant
staff has also

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completed necessary paperwork for the
health insurance for our full-time

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employees we had our recent renewal that
takes effect February 1st

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staff has worked on several developments
and while we only had one meter

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installed this time probably next month
would be very different just wanted to

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bring to your attention the number of
subdivisions that's ongoing right now we

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have North Ridge we've just finalized
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Treeline Trails is finishing up phase
two but they have three and four that

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will be working on the new subdivision
out on Highway 158 they have named it

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Nathaniel Ridge
we have received plans for that so we'll

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be starting reviews of that and Oak
Level Church Road also submitted new

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plans this week we'll be working on that
one and then of course blacksmith is

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still in phase one

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every year we have to renew our
application to the North Carolina

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Wildlife office for the we are
considered a dear Urban archery town and

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every year that's renewed we just
recently submitted that

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um the upcoming elections this year we
host we are an election site a Precinct

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site here I just executed the documents
with the Guilford County Board of

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Elections this week to use the town hall
for that for the all the elections

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necessary for this year we have
responded to public records requests for

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the Happy Hill Road subdivision Mr
Wagner has will be attending his first

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clerk certification class next week so
keep in mind he will not be here it will

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just be pressed enough
so be kind

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um every year we are required to submit
a survey to the league in regards to the

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town benefits I just recently completed
that and then every year we are also

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required to submit to the state on our
water system to reports the consumer

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confidence report that's due June 1st
and that's a lengthy process and priest

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has already started working with Rural
Water on that and then we have the 2022

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water supply report that's also required
and that is due April 1st I believe so

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we'll be working on that as well
um and that's just a small list of what

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we've done this month let me add I also
attended an emergency

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services meeting put on by the county I
did that this uh this past week I

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believe it was

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our planning board
Justin

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please step up to the podium if you
don't mind

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so you don't have to forgive me I was
not told I had to speak about

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administrative reports on the planning
board so uh uh speaking off the cuff

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we are uh let's see if you would
identify yourself please I'm Justin

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Snyder I am the staff to the Stokesdale
planning board I am the senior planner

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for Guilford County and so
we do all the administration and

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um the reviews for anything that's
related to Stokesdale so any site plans

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any subdivisions Platz related to
Stokesdale we do all the reviews on

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those so
um we've had uh inquiries but not a lot

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of
development activity at this point aside

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from we do have the rezoning public
hearing tonight

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as Dale mentioned we are working still
on the blacksmith amenities Center

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finalizing those plans as well as the
blacksmith subdivision plans

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and then
uh not too not too much else uh has

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really come through we get daily
inquiries uh about potential development

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potential activities uh but as as of
right now we haven't gotten any formal

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submittals so we'll keep everybody in
the loop as we get it thank you Jeff

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appreciate it thank you

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events committee do we have anything no
no nothing for events committee property

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committee
yeah we probably should have put this on

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an item
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further down but we need to either work
on or replace a refrigerator yes

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um it's it's in here yeah well I know
but really I should have put it

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somewhere else but
um

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I need to get authorized to uh so we
don't have to wait till next month if we

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can't if the repair is going to be too
much I'll replace this refrigerator

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as a property committee obtained any
quotes for a new refrigerator they're

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out yeah we need 7.99 for just a
standard refrigerator Fighter ice

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monitor but
depends on what council wants to do you

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want to just we have an ice machine you
know

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okay that's just a standard over and
under nothing fancy but you know we've

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got a fairly nice refrigerator if we can
repair it reasonable but if it's going

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to be four or five hundred dollars
probably can you buy refrigerator

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without an ice maker today yeah yeah
Jimmy do you have a number and I'll just

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make a motion to give you the spending
authority of that figure

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well I'd say uh okay the numbers oh go
ahead

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I have spoken to Mr Landers about this
kind of familiar with the problem is why

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I'd like to make a motion here I'd like
to make a motion authorize the property

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committee to purchase a new refrigerator
up and expend up to nine hundred dollars

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that doesn't mean you got to spend it
all guys but 900 and then I would like

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to prioritize here that the property
committee seek to repair the one we have

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at a cost not to exceed
uh 450

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my thought process is some of the newer
refrigerators seem to be

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uh
cheaply built thinner coals components

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don't look as durable so I'm not sure if
we shouldn't at least make an effort to

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try to fix what we already have I looked
at it myself and it seems like a fairly

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well made refrigerator I did check and
it's not clogged with dust I pulled it

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out and checked that myself so that'll
be my motion I'll say thank you

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yeah
any discussion

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Mr Rigsby

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aye Mr Foy aye Mr Landreth aye Mr Jones
aye and I am also I and the second thing

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you know we've got a a small leak in the
men's restroom plumber came out uh

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they've ordered a gasket
now when they go in I want to fix this

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thing I don't want to come back to
council I have to wait a month so um

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I don't think it'll be a lot but uh
we need to do we need to authorize

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something or just I'm just going to fix
it

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well the the spending limit for the
property committee is fairly low I asked

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I was going to talk about that tonight
too uh well what's what's your

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preference you want to make a motion
here

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um
no I'm going to save that for for when

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we do the um we've got the um separation
of Duties okay I'll make a motion I'll

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make a motion to authorize the repair of
the the leak in the men's bathroom at a

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cost not to exceed 400.

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I'll second it
any discussion

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Mr Rigsby
aye Mr Floyd

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aye Mr Landreth aye Mr Jones hi and I am
also I

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uh I might add Jimmy if you need are you
going to try to do this yourself no oh

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okay I was going to say if you're going
to try to do it yourself I'll be late to

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supervise no okay
it'll turn into two thousand if I do it

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okay I got you

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uh Town Improvement Town Park
Improvement committee Mr Stevenson

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good evening I'm T Stevenson the
chairperson for the park Improvement

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committee uh just a real quick update
um and we miss Martin has already spoken

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to the rfps that have been released but
wanted to make sure that you folks knew

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that the park Improvement committee
meets every week on an ongoing basis

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keeping our finger on the pulse of of
everything that's going on

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as I said the rfps the request for
proposals have been released we do

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expect they were released separately for
each each project the playground

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equipment and installation
proposal was released and we expect

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those to actually be returned tomorrow
by lunchtime the cob opening is

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scheduled for January the 23rd at which
time the committee will review those

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proposals and have further discussion
and perhaps a recommendation the

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construction of the amphitheater the
sealed bid for that is due February the

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28th and we are anticipating that we
will open those on March the 2nd the

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basketball and pickleball court seal
bids are due by March the first and

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again we anticipate looking at those in
the seal bid process on March the 2nd

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that's certainly when those are received
we'll have a lot more to talk about and

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we'll be able to give you more
information at the next town council

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meeting on March the 9th clarification
by we will be opening the bids actually

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staff Robbie and Miss Martin welcome the
Town Park committee would be present and

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that would occur during a meeting but I
just wanted to be clear that staff would

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do it thanks T right it's always a great
report any other questions also tell you

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you mentioned that you meet weekly yes
what day of the week do you meet on

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Thursday afternoon at 5 15 in this room
and these are open meetings anyone that

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would like to attend is certainly more
than welcome

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there's no admission and there's no food
yet thank you sir thanks Mr Mayor if I

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may make it yes sir yes sir in regards
to the parking Improvement committee I'm

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probably in a maybe perhaps the next
meeting I want to

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make a motion and see if I can get
Council support to create a budget for

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each one of these projects that would
break down the cost from you know site

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work all the way to Atlanta
all the way to landscape and at the end

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and set aside a 20 contingency for each
project

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and let's try to get some numbers down
on a sheet of paper for each project so

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that we're we've got at least a general
concept of what we're spending on each

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one uh the you know up into this point
everything's been preliminary but I

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think we need to get some sort of uh
budget sheet put together for each one

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of these projects

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I'll be happy to see that forward if
you'd like to make a motion I'll vote

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for it as well
well my hesitation is that I don't have

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a template for this I don't want to well
the the template would be different on

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each project the amphitheater would be
the most uh

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it is inclusive of site work
environmental work uh construction

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materials and so on and so forth whereas
you know playground equipment is it's

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not very complex well what I'd like to
do is see the uh Park Improvement

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committee come up with a template for
this and submit it to the council for

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approval then would make it easy on me
once we get the beds we'll

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pretty much have that that's what we're
doing well

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I mean that's what we're doing again my
concert the numbers will be there I

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understand my concept is to put a
financial fence around each one of these

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projects so that we we have the cost at
least contained in this fence or in this

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box or in this uh
you know this worksheet so that uh

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everybody's looking at the same sheet of
paper I mean that's canceled citizens

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committee
that's what we're doing we're trying to

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get something to put in that box well
the request for uh proposals and

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qualifications all those things are
great but I don't think they'll include

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total cost and the whoever respondents
of these is not going to give you a 20

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contingency for one thing but there will
be things that it won't include perhaps

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Landscaping uh
audio wiring you know those types of

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things I don't know if we'll get every
every Last Detail included uh when we

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get to get these back in the way of a
response but but we can control what we

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do on our ends as far as having uh some
sort of budget worksheet for each one of

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these
projects at all that's exactly what

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we're going to do but we've got to have
some numbers to do that and I mean we

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haven't even voted on as far as Council
hadn't even voted to do the projects yet

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I'm just in the process of the planning
to see if we want to do it I understand

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that's why I'm not making a motion but I
feel like

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the citizens out there deserve our
deity of care with spending their money

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and that's why I bring it up well that's
that's what we're doing so I don't want

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you to make it sound like that's not
what we're doing because we are we're

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well aware that that the citizens money
is being spent and we're going to do

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everything we can to you know get the
best bang for the buck

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um
so I mean what you're saying is is good

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we do need to do that but we've got we
got the numbers coming so

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we can't do anything do we do it anyway
perfect

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duly noted

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Financial reports Miss Thacker

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yeah I think that's good
good evening good evening can everybody

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hear me okay okay good all right we'll
start with the general fund

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um in the arpa funds the American Rescue
plan act we have 723 965 dollars

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Bank of Oak Ridge checking money market
23 395.81

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our total cedars in the Bank of Oak
Ridge uh for the month ending 12 uh

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January 31st is 2 million 567 499.64

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Fidelity Bank checking
it's 267

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651.16
petty cash 150.

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for the month of January
our salaries and FICA due from the water

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Enterprise
uh which is Gary's salary

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um our operator responsible in charge
over our water is 530.35

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sales tax to date uh for this fiscal
year is 437.24

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and the water Enterprise reimbursement
due to the general fund which is our

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shared overhead spent expense for the
month of January is seventeen thousand

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one hundred ninety six dollars and forty
two cents

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for the month of January as well the
town of Stokesdale contributed

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12.10 percent for the state retirement
for our full-time employees was 577.83

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questions

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that's all my notes for the general fund

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move to the water Enterprise

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for January 31st 2023
Bank of Oak Ridge our cdars are 502

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582.11
our capital reserve fund is 193 264.20

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the Fidelity water Enterprise checking
account is 640 493.10

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the North Carolina Capital Management
fund is 532 492.41

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our regular savings account is 45
000 57.83

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in the month of January our accounts
receivable for our um total accounts

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receivable water sales are 31
983.26 that also includes our January

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billing
the inactive we have zero accounts that

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were 90 days past due and we have 24
inactive accounts that are 90 days Plus

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past due that total six thousand one
hundred fourteen dollars and sixty three

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cents
our sales tax refund due back to us

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um physical for the fiscal year is 270
dollars

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again uh accounts payable water
reimbursement due to the general fund

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again is 17
196.42 the payroll due to the general

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fund is 530.35
for the month of January our capital

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reserve funds received was 750 dollars

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and that is all that I have for the
water account

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does anyone have any questions

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thank you Kim I've got a quick question
I'm sorry Kim go ahead

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how much is in the capital reserve Fund
in the water

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um
193

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264.20 okay thank you you're welcome

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any further questions
we'll open it up for uh citizens

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comments

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you'll have to help me out here these
cards that I have I'm not sure exactly

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what

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just public hearing
I know that I said that earlier yeah

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this is not the public hearing this is
the uh this is just citizen comments if

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you'd like to talk about the shirt I
have on or whatever you know

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uh thank you does it does it really okay
well good

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anyone
open meeting all right very good moving

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right along
this goes to the public hearing this

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public hearing is a rezoning case number
two two one two p l b d 0 0 3 1

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757 Happy Hill Road Kernersville North
Carolina property is located on the west

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side of Happy Hill Road Sr 2032
approximately 1740 feet north of Monty

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Drive intersection Guilford County tax
parcel one six four nine six one this is

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a request to rezone the subject property
which contains 10.15 acres and is

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located within the town limits of
Stokesdale despite its commercial

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address
from A.G agricultural to rs40

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single-family residents the applicants
upon any major development of the

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property
intend to connect to Stokesdale water

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system
I believe we have Mr Clayton

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Snyder
yes

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Justin needs to speak go ahead sir

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thank you Mr Mayor and Council once
again Justin Snyder I am the planner for

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Guilford County this represents the town
of stokesdale's interests

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so um as the the mayor introduced so
eloquently we have a rezoning case here

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at 7577 Happy Hill Road the request is
from agricultural to rs40 which is

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single family residential with 40 000
square foot lot sizes

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the

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so um just just a general note that the
the reason that they have to come for

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this rezoning is if they develop this
property into any sort of major

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subdivision which under stokesdale's
ordinance is when there's a connection

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to a public utility a newly dedicated
public road or if there's more than four

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Lots then they they must rezone to an RS
District to be able to do a major

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subdivision so the request tonight is
not for subdivision that is handled

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through the technical Review Committee
of Guilford County which then refers it

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to the planning board for final approval
so that is an administrative process

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this is a legislative hearing on whether
this property is worthy of the rs40

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designation and whether that request is
consistent with the future land use

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plans and what the plans for Stokes
Tales so currently this area is

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primarily rural residential there is
agricultural low density single-family

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residential uses in this area
uh there is one single family dwelling

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on this property uh the surrounding land
uses as I mentioned single family

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residential and agricultural uh to the
West it's undeveloped as of right now uh

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and it's mostly forested land and it is
adjacent to the Oak Ridge

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extraterritorial zoning jurisdiction
there are no designated historic

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landmarks on are adjacent to the subject
property and no cemeteries have been

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shown on this property
the Fire Protection District for this

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would be Stokesdale
hits approximately 3.6 miles from the

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nearest fire station
the intent is to connect to Stokesdale

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water if there's any major development
of this property

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and they would use private septic
systems

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the existing conditions on Happy Hill
Road Happy Hill Road is a residential

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street
if there are proposed improvements it

445
00:38:43,980 --> 00:38:49,800
would be subject to the North Carolina
Department of transportation's driveway

446
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:55,260
permit requirements because it is a
North Carolina DOT road

447
00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:59,960
a traffic study could be required based
upon the overall size of any sort of

448
00:38:58,020 --> 00:39:04,079
large subdivision
and this property according to North

449
00:39:02,700 --> 00:39:08,220
Carolina Department of Transportation
does not appear to be impacted by the

450
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:16,079
proposed u.s-158 Improvement project
that's listed in the step project number

451
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:23,160
r-2577b and they have noted that the
average daily traffic is estimated at

452
00:39:18,420 --> 00:39:26,760
below 500 or 500. 500 cars a day for
Happy Hill Road

453
00:39:24,359 --> 00:39:30,300
there is no projected traffic generation
at this time because we this is not a

454
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:35,460
subdivision proposal it's just a
resulting proposal

455
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:39,839
and so uh School impacts uh they are
projected upon a development of this

456
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:45,839
property at a 40 000 square foot density
to be relatively minor with anywhere

457
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:49,140
between uh one to five extra students
per School

458
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:53,460
uh environmental assessment on this
property the Topography is gentle and

459
00:39:51,300 --> 00:39:59,220
steeply sloping there is no regulated
flood plain on this property however

460
00:39:55,700 --> 00:40:03,119
there are uh there's floodplain and
wetlands to the Western portion of this

461
00:40:01,500 --> 00:40:08,940
property that lies within Oak Ridge and
also within Forsyth County

462
00:40:05,300 --> 00:40:14,099
uh the land use plan this is uh part of
the Stokesdale land use plan and that

463
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:19,140
plan recommendation is residential and
uh the requested action uh by the

464
00:40:17,700 --> 00:40:23,579
applicant would be consistent with the
recommendation of the Stokesdale future

465
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:27,000
land use plan and thus the action if
approved would not require a future land

466
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:30,660
use plan Amendment
and staff is recommending approval

467
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,320
because the proposed rezoning action is
consistent with the recommendation of

468
00:40:32,220 --> 00:40:38,220
the future land use plan and it is
reasonable and in the public interest

469
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:42,960
because it is excuse me because it is
adjacent to residential uses in the area

470
00:40:40,260 --> 00:40:46,380
and would provide low-density housing
opportunities for citizens in an area

471
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:50,940
that's served by Stokesdale Municipal
Water or able to be served by Stokes to

472
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:55,460
a municipal water
and I welcome any questions that you

473
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,460
might have

474
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:02,040
any questions by the council
we want to do we're going to do that now

475
00:40:59,700 --> 00:41:05,280
I thought y'all said something get the
questions are we going to are we going

476
00:41:04,020 --> 00:41:10,520
to wait or
I know I would suggest we wait myself

477
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:16,099
okay
correct okay well I'll be going to do

478
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,099
anything I have some

479
00:41:16,260 --> 00:41:19,940
the public meeting is open

480
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:27,900
lay on some grounds
ground rules we want to hear those that

481
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:35,820
are going to speak for this reason
exactly exactly

482
00:41:31,220 --> 00:41:40,500
the proponents and opponents will be
limited to uh 30 minutes each

483
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:45,140
no

484
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,859
Miss total

485
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:56,940
proponents shall be heard first and
shall be provided a total of 30 minutes

486
00:41:55,099 --> 00:42:01,619
notwithstanding the number of persons
Desiring to be heard opponents shall be

487
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,280
heard after the proponents shall be
provided a total of 30 minutes to be

488
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:09,480
heard notwithstanding the number of
persons Desiring to be heard each side

489
00:42:08,099 --> 00:42:14,000
will
be allowed three minutes in rebuttal

490
00:42:12,780 --> 00:42:21,140
Mr
Wagner will be keeping the time and will

491
00:42:17,339 --> 00:42:21,140
announce when time has expired

492
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,960
speakers in favor

493
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:35,660
yes if you would step to the podium
identify yourself

494
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:40,579
all right

495
00:42:44,579 --> 00:42:51,000
good evening mayor
good evening members of the council my

496
00:42:49,020 --> 00:42:59,280
name is Greg Garrett and I'm with RS
Parker homes our address is P.O box 5967

497
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,280
Highpoint 27262

498
00:43:00,020 --> 00:43:08,520
thank you for hearing my request tonight
I will do my best to explain why I'm up

499
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:12,000
here tonight
um

500
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:20,640
some of you may have been on recognized
several of you but in in 2021

501
00:43:15,300 --> 00:43:27,359
um my company had acquired 126 Acres
um mostly well is to the west of the

502
00:43:23,339 --> 00:43:32,780
subject site and in doing that we had a
access

503
00:43:28,859 --> 00:43:37,740
um onto Happy Hill through Duke Energy
property and it was a it was an easement

504
00:43:35,700 --> 00:43:42,020
and so we rezoned that and that was
going to be access into my development

505
00:43:39,660 --> 00:43:49,520
that's mostly on the lake
since 2021 and and the details of

506
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:56,880
engineering it became very evident that
there were other ways to um to access

507
00:43:53,339 --> 00:44:01,859
the 126 acres and
um actually through the rezoning process

508
00:43:58,980 --> 00:44:06,839
for the 126 Acres I met the the current
property owner of this the subject site

509
00:44:03,900 --> 00:44:10,920
tonight and she had expressed interest
in selling at some point and so we've

510
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:15,420
actually gotten together I'm under
contract of course it's contingent upon

511
00:44:13,020 --> 00:44:23,220
the rezoning of it the property Zone
Agricultural and we're asking to be

512
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:30,000
zoned to rs40 which I understand is your
least intense single family zoning

513
00:44:26,460 --> 00:44:34,020
District in Stokesdale and even though
this is just a general zoning I can tell

514
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:37,980
you because we've already done the
detailed designing we're talking about

515
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:43,740
keeping the existing house on the
property and adding six more houses to

516
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:49,980
to our development so the development
that was approved by you guys with the

517
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:56,000
access and then Oak Ridge and the Lion's
Share of the 126 acres is actually in

518
00:44:52,319 --> 00:45:03,560
Forsyth County that development in 2021
equaled 94 homes and so tonight this new

519
00:45:02,339 --> 00:45:10,800
access
will allow us to go up to 101 101 Lots

520
00:45:07,700 --> 00:45:16,560
again the 94 is already approved I've
got access it's just not the the most

521
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:22,440
desirable access so I'd like to use this
one instead of the Duke Energy the good

522
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:27,540
news for the town of Stokesdale and this
is that we now have an entrance road

523
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:33,240
that will have homes on the entrance
road that will be in your um pound

524
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:37,740
limits so those seven houses will be in
the the town limits of Stokesdale

525
00:45:36,359 --> 00:45:45,060
um
I um I'm I'm sure some of you remember

526
00:45:41,420 --> 00:45:49,980
this 2021 rezoning it was back and forth
with Duke Energy on whether we needed an

527
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,579
easement or whether it needed to be fee
simple we ultimately have ended up

528
00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:58,440
getting the fee simple and that was
zoned rs40 for this subdivision so

529
00:45:56,220 --> 00:46:02,579
there's nothing you know that that can
be done tonight that's going to stop our

530
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,680
ultimate subdivision we're just hoping
to improve it with the better access

531
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:13,020
and so that's the reason for the the
request tonight we do plan to extend

532
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:19,079
public water to the property it's about
2 700 feet from

533
00:46:16,020 --> 00:46:24,300
um Highway 158 it's sending stokesdale's
water line down Happy Hill Road and then

534
00:46:22,380 --> 00:46:26,880
of course into the development the
subdivision

535
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:33,240
um
I um I I'm joined here by my civil

536
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:36,540
engineer as well as the current property
owner

537
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:39,599
um we're here to answer questions should
you have any

538
00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:43,020
um I hope that you agree with your
planning department and the planning

539
00:46:41,579 --> 00:46:48,599
staff
um that this is a consistent rezoning

540
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:54,980
request with your your future land use
plans and you agree with them and vote

541
00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:54,980
in favor for it tonight

542
00:46:55,140 --> 00:47:02,160
thank you thank you thank you
we'll have some questions after

543
00:46:59,339 --> 00:47:06,900
everybody speaks but I would like to
make a clarification if you could go

544
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:11,160
back up to the eye the microphone
did I understand you correctly when you

545
00:47:09,060 --> 00:47:17,819
said that this board has rezoned the
Duke Energy property just just a 60-foot

546
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:24,140
right-of-way into the 126 Acres
so Mr Wagner this is a good time to

547
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,140
throw up that slide

548
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:35,460
yeah that perfect yep
and if you would be so kind as to put

549
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:39,060
your cursor over the um the the
right-of-way that currently goes into

550
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:44,460
the property
um not not this proposed one but you um

551
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,619
at the top of your screen there you can
see it kind of meanders on in

552
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,980
is there a way for you to do we have a
pointer

553
00:47:53,280 --> 00:48:01,880
yeah well that you zoomed in on it yeah
so in 2021

554
00:47:58,319 --> 00:48:06,920
um the the Stokesdale Council
rezoned that 60-foot right-of-way to

555
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:13,339
rs40 to
facilitate this development

556
00:48:10,020 --> 00:48:18,900
we rezoned it Mr
let me speak to this if I may please do

557
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:23,760
I was the planning board chair when that
was heard

558
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:27,660
you made an application for rezoning and
then you subsequently withdrew your

559
00:48:25,740 --> 00:48:32,760
application
um it was on our agenda I made the most

560
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:38,040
necessary motion when you withdrew your
application so we could get it off our

561
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:43,020
agenda I'm I've been here almost six
years I'm not aware of you having

562
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:47,400
rezoned that property sir so if if
there's you've got some evidence of this

563
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:52,560
or can point us where
I'm mistaken here I'd appreciate it I I

564
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:57,300
was sitting there yeah I was on the
council too and I don't recall rezoning

565
00:48:54,359 --> 00:49:01,920
I do recall at the advice of our former
attorney that this did not need to be

566
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:06,720
resigned because one the property owner
wasn't asking for the rezoning and it

567
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:11,359
didn't need to be resigned because the
access road was already there Duke

568
00:49:08,819 --> 00:49:16,079
Energy granted the late family I believe
access to this in 2008.

569
00:49:14,579 --> 00:49:23,160
uh
I okay excuse me I mean it's it's been a

570
00:49:19,079 --> 00:49:29,819
couple years but uh uh regardless it's
been a couple years for me too yeah so

571
00:49:25,980 --> 00:49:34,140
regardless I I do want to take access at
a different location which is the

572
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:40,319
subject property tonight sure sure no
but you're saying that's rezoned now

573
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:44,339
and that even if you don't get this that
you can go that way and still do the

574
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,880
project at the lake is that correct
that's that is my understanding yes

575
00:49:46,500 --> 00:49:51,960
all right I just don't remember I
remember being pulled we had us back

576
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:56,700
when we were doing the uh Meetings
online yeah and uh y'all kept having a

577
00:49:54,599 --> 00:50:00,119
problem with the who was saying it was
on who I mean you knew who owned it but

578
00:49:58,380 --> 00:50:04,380
who was going to authorize y'all to go
through there and it kept getting pulled

579
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:08,760
and back and forth and back never
actually came to us and um they said

580
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,740
some kind of state law or something
Chapman I don't even know that this is

581
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:18,720
true because it was just that you didn't
catch come before so that we did no

582
00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:23,880
rezoning right whatsoever so yeah like I
said it's you know what you're saying is

583
00:50:21,780 --> 00:50:28,260
it's it's irrelevant to you but it's
relevant to us that's right it

584
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:32,640
absolutely is
um what you're saying is whether this

585
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:38,700
project that you're asking for this
zoning goes through or not you have your

586
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:43,140
that that project's going to happen that
that's not going to stop it

587
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:48,839
that is what my attorneys have told me
yes uh you know yeah

588
00:50:46,020 --> 00:50:52,200
okay okay all right I just just want to
make sure because we had I looked at

589
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:58,559
that several times the planning board
meeting online you know where you said

590
00:50:54,599 --> 00:51:01,559
that and uh I mean I was there so yeah
there was a lot of yeah it was a big

591
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:06,000
confusion
um ultimately I was told we got I know I

592
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:09,059
know I forget a lot of stuff but I don't
think I'd forget that just to be clear

593
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:13,619
you're talking about the development in
Forsyth County would proceed

594
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:18,359
no no we didn't hear anything do
anything Forsyth County no but but he's

595
00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:22,920
saying but the development here wouldn't
proceed without the resulting tonight

596
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:28,079
yeah that's what I'm asking I mean
in other words whether this property

597
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:31,800
rezones or not he has access in I just
want the citizens to understand if that

598
00:51:30,059 --> 00:51:37,079
if that's the case I don't know what to
be the case and I'm not saying that's

599
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:40,920
the case but if if that is the case it
you know it doesn't matter you're still

600
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:43,980
going to get you're going to get uh
what is it I forget what the number was

601
00:51:42,839 --> 00:51:49,140
but you're going to have seven less
homes up near 100 homes that's

602
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:53,640
regardless yes of this rezone yes sir
okay I just want to clarify that yeah as

603
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:57,720
a result of all of that I mean we
actually

604
00:51:55,079 --> 00:52:02,160
um have fee simple title of that 60-foot
access coming in

605
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:08,059
it was originally Duke Energy's it was
just an easement granted and then we

606
00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,059
ultimately purchased it

607
00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:14,400
we've got deeper in the woods and I
wanted to get that quick it didn't

608
00:52:12,059 --> 00:52:18,720
convey with the purchase of all that
land in Forsyth County because of all

609
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:24,180
the back and forth about what we needed
we ended up needing to have title to it

610
00:52:22,619 --> 00:52:28,559
um in order to have it rezoned again I'm
just going off of this memory you know

611
00:52:26,339 --> 00:52:33,180
so but what I can tell you for sure is
you go on GIS and click on it and you'll

612
00:52:30,839 --> 00:52:35,480
see ours Parker homes we we own it okay
cool

613
00:52:36,839 --> 00:52:43,380
anything else
like I say I

614
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,040
I've got a handful of questions and
we're going to hold it too everyone's

615
00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:51,140
had a chance to speak
uh thank you Gary yes

616
00:52:54,119 --> 00:53:01,859
speaker is in opposition
so it may want to require any more in in

617
00:52:58,980 --> 00:53:05,099
support oh I'm sorry but then getting
confused here are there any others in

618
00:53:04,140 --> 00:53:10,280
support
of the uh

619
00:53:07,319 --> 00:53:10,280
rezoning

620
00:53:12,599 --> 00:53:15,599
opponents

621
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:28,619
you don't use your card do you have the
cards they're waiting for you to call

622
00:53:26,220 --> 00:53:32,040
them I'm just I'll let them I don't know
who's who

623
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:34,819
Shania
Shanae

624
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,680
let me get my notes up here

625
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:50,579
if you would please identify yourself
my name is Shanae Carroll

626
00:53:49,020 --> 00:53:57,980
um I live at
um 7581 Happy Hill Road my husband and I

627
00:53:54,359 --> 00:54:02,280
we are adjacent to the property of um
7577 Happy Hill Road

628
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:08,579
um
I think one of our main concerns is

629
00:54:04,980 --> 00:54:14,760
the traffic safety concerns
um but there will be a lot of traffic

630
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,660
I know this is just the rezoning
um that we're discussing the rizzonia

631
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:22,559
tonight but eventually you know if it is
approved there will be a development

632
00:54:20,700 --> 00:54:26,099
there and there will be a lot more
traffic and we live at the top of the

633
00:54:24,540 --> 00:54:31,440
hill
adjacent to the property and at that top

634
00:54:28,859 --> 00:54:35,760
of the hill you can't see cars coming up
so

635
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,819
even if it was approved we would
um

636
00:54:38,339 --> 00:54:43,559
highly recommend that there be some type
of traffic analysis especially coming

637
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:48,119
from
um Warner Road to like if you're coming

638
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:52,319
from Warner Road down Happy Hill Road
some type of traffic analysis because

639
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:57,660
you can't see coming down over the hill
when you're turning in

640
00:54:54,599 --> 00:55:03,240
um another thing is the way our property
is adjacent to

641
00:54:59,819 --> 00:55:08,040
um 7577 we have concerns of encroachment
I mean there are it's

642
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:14,040
I don't feel like the land the the space
between our land and then

643
00:55:10,140 --> 00:55:20,579
the land on the other side of 7577 is
enough land for

644
00:55:15,660 --> 00:55:26,460
uh a um a road or to safely put a road
in there so those are are our concerns

645
00:55:24,059 --> 00:55:33,240
and we just thank you for allowing us to
be here and I'm sure we have several

646
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:37,500
um neighbors that will probably speak to
it um but yeah we do have a lot of

647
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:41,400
concerns thank you thank you thank you
thank you very much

648
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:48,180
uh Daryl Watkins
well yo will you take the microphone to

649
00:55:44,339 --> 00:55:48,180
him yeah please Robbie

650
00:55:52,339 --> 00:56:01,980
I feel like I probably shout out I don't
know if y'all could hear me but

651
00:55:57,900 --> 00:56:06,059
I live at 75 75 Happy Hill Road and I've
been there I've been here in Stokesdale

652
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:12,180
all my life Daryl if you would identify
yourself my name is Daryl Watkins I live

653
00:56:08,579 --> 00:56:16,140
at 7575 Happy Hill Road uh I'm probably
the one that's going to be along with

654
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:21,359
Mrs Carroll one of the most adversely
affected people

655
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:24,420
if this goes through
um that little bottleneck that they're

656
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:30,180
talking about
running through there

657
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:33,780
directly runs parallel with my driveway
and that will hook you in the road is

658
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:39,119
going to end up being
probably

659
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:43,859
35 40 feet from my back
drive my driveway entrance my garage

660
00:56:42,660 --> 00:56:49,140
entrance
it's um it's pretty

661
00:56:46,619 --> 00:56:52,079
obvious if y'all would come and look and
just see

662
00:56:50,220 --> 00:56:57,839
what kind of predicament this is going
to cause just for my life

663
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:03,780
um not
not for the people around me not to

664
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:08,280
mention the traffic that's going to come
through that come through that come

665
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:11,700
through there it's it's just not uh I
don't think there's enough

666
00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:16,260
laying there to do it I think there's
going to be encroachment on both sides

667
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:20,760
because even if you have a 50 foot right
away what about the utilities and

668
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:26,099
everything that's going to Encompass in
those right-of-ways you know you've got

669
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:29,579
to have utility for power you've got to
have a water line and the way I

670
00:57:28,140 --> 00:57:33,359
understand that water line is going to
be great big

671
00:57:30,780 --> 00:57:39,359
so eight inch water line coming through
there how much does it take to run an

672
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:44,280
eight inch water line 20 25 feet
is that going to be another 25 feet and

673
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:49,619
I went today just out of pure curiosity
for myself I measured from the center

674
00:57:46,859 --> 00:57:52,920
line of the road to the ditch
to the center of the ditch that's 25

675
00:57:51,660 --> 00:57:59,280
feet
so that's already 50 feet for both sides

676
00:57:55,980 --> 00:58:04,020
not to mention what the water line is
going to be if it's another 25 feet this

677
00:58:02,099 --> 00:58:08,700
power line going to be another 25 feet
so I'm really I'm really

678
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:12,720
I'm really I guess I'm coming to you
guys asking you to

679
00:58:10,619 --> 00:58:16,440
just think about what you're doing and
please come and look

680
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:21,300
I think this thing needs to be a little
more time for you guys to see what

681
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:24,480
they're trying to push on us I mean this
is something that we can't reverse once

682
00:58:23,339 --> 00:58:29,520
it's done
and I guess something else I want to

683
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:36,119
talk to you all about
um I don't know if y'all have ever been

684
00:58:31,500 --> 00:58:41,400
and seen houses built on Happy Hill Road
uh every house on Happy Hill Road

685
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:47,760
have some kind of rock formation
that ends up needing blasting

686
00:58:44,339 --> 00:58:52,440
and I know the Shiloh up there when they
built it just recently they rocked my

687
00:58:50,579 --> 00:58:57,720
house
um so this company coming in

688
00:58:54,599 --> 00:59:02,339
not knowing what adverse conditions that
they're going to encompass

689
00:58:59,339 --> 00:59:07,619
they're going to jeopardize our homes
with this you know if they mess up our

690
00:59:05,700 --> 00:59:10,740
foundations on our homes who's going to
repair them are they going to be

691
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:15,720
responsible for that
and I wish if y'all did let them do it

692
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:20,640
you would make them responsible if they
do come in there and blast rock out and

693
00:59:18,780 --> 00:59:25,559
bust up our foundations
because it's going to happen

694
00:59:22,799 --> 00:59:30,299
it's going to happen those rock walls
those uh cinder block walls in those

695
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:34,079
basements they aren't going to take but
so much

696
00:59:31,740 --> 00:59:39,119
they aren't going to take but so much
these aren't fireworks they're Dynamite

697
00:59:36,599 --> 00:59:45,420
they're explosives that they have to use
get that rock out

698
00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:50,400
God told me when uh we built my house he
said y'all better off

699
00:59:47,339 --> 00:59:55,619
just to build a rock quarry here instead
of build a house

700
00:59:52,140 --> 01:00:00,660
so I guess my thing is all the things
that's going to happen to us

701
00:59:57,660 --> 01:00:06,180
and to my family and to my friends
and all my kin folk around me

702
01:00:04,079 --> 01:00:11,700
who's going to be responsible for that
will this developer be responsible is he

703
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:17,099
going to stand up and say hey I'll take
care of that if I bust your wall you

704
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:21,240
know I'll fix it you know but then
they've compromised the Integrity of our

705
01:00:19,980 --> 01:00:26,579
homes
even the value of our homes once they

706
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:32,280
tear it up who's going to fix it are
they going to fix it and anybody that's

707
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:38,040
lived here knows that Happy Hill Road
has been

708
01:00:34,020 --> 01:00:42,420
forever and a day almost a rock quarry
and now they're coming in here wanting

709
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:47,700
to build these homes without any kind of
I don't know geological would that the

710
01:00:44,579 --> 01:00:52,859
right word won't say studies or anything
you know right across the holidays Tim

711
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:57,059
and Corey is a closed up rock quarry
that ran for years

712
01:00:55,380 --> 01:01:01,319
and now we're coming in getting ready to
develop

713
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:05,880
on the top of another one it just don't
make sense to me

714
01:01:02,819 --> 01:01:10,559
and did they even study why the lake
stops right there

715
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:15,059
where it stops and the lights still had
all that land that they even study that

716
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:18,299
they didn't question why they still had
all that land

717
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:23,520
no they didn't
I guarantee they didn't but if they did

718
01:01:20,700 --> 01:01:28,799
check it out in 1974 when they built
that Lake why did they stop it there

719
01:01:26,339 --> 01:01:32,099
that's a good question they'll find that
one

720
01:01:30,359 --> 01:01:34,940
and thank y'all for listening to me and
I probably rammed along

721
01:01:42,059 --> 01:01:50,900
forward
the mayor Mr Winfrey

722
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:50,900
I feel like I need to say something here

723
01:01:50,940 --> 01:01:58,319
set a 30 minute limit for those that
want to speak in favor of this we have a

724
01:01:56,220 --> 01:02:04,200
pretty good crowd here and there are
people that want to speak in opposition

725
01:02:01,799 --> 01:02:08,819
that
I know Mr Watkins and him and you know

726
01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:14,299
I've heard every word he said but my
concern here is that this time this 30

727
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:17,880
minutes is not being evenly allocated
amongst those that want to speak against

728
01:02:16,740 --> 01:02:23,819
this
uh our normal practice in the past here

729
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:28,880
with these things is to allow somewhere
between 10 and 20 minutes for for each

730
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:33,960
speaker
that's what we've done with planning

731
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:37,680
board and and it's tough because this
board wants to hear everybody out at the

732
01:02:36,119 --> 01:02:40,380
same time you know we do have to get
finished with the meeting that got other

733
01:02:39,059 --> 01:02:46,440
agenda items
so Mr Winfrey is there some allowance

734
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:51,000
that we can make here to divide up this
time a little bit more proportionally

735
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:54,359
because uh I feel like somebody at the
tail end of this that really wants to

736
01:02:53,099 --> 01:02:56,880
speak to us is not going to get that
chance

737
01:02:55,200 --> 01:03:00,000
well the first question I have is is the
clock's still running because we need to

738
01:02:58,559 --> 01:03:04,740
stop it while we're discussing this
procedural matter and maybe yes three or

739
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:10,200
four minutes back to it yeah
yeah it's still running

740
01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:14,940
the world can do whatever it wishes uh
you know my experience is if you

741
01:03:12,839 --> 01:03:19,440
if you had someone who was a spokesman
for the group in opposition

742
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:24,720
if you limit everybody to a certain
amount of time then you've got you you

743
01:03:21,660 --> 01:03:29,880
truncate their discussion so
um the board can make whatever rules it

744
01:03:26,940 --> 01:03:33,240
wants to make with regard to how long
each person speaks if you want but

745
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:40,079
um
typically I've seen just time allocated

746
01:03:37,579 --> 01:03:44,940
in case there's a spoken and I
understand the concept with crowds and

747
01:03:42,180 --> 01:03:51,119
to limit and and have the uh you know
perhaps somebody speak for multiple

748
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:54,540
people uh it's just we and rare
circumstances in the past the town of

749
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:59,099
Stokes stealth's done that but most of
the time we've tried to work and make

750
01:03:56,819 --> 01:04:03,480
sure that we have a little bit of time
for everybody that wants to

751
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:09,720
that wants to speak and I'm I'm
objecting to this uh because I'm

752
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:13,680
uncomfortable well that's my job
what really wants to adopt with regard

753
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:17,040
to time limit I'd like to hear from
everybody who wants to speak absolutely

754
01:04:15,299 --> 01:04:20,579
and you know the only thing I could say
folks that do want to speak if if you

755
01:04:18,839 --> 01:04:24,660
let's say something Mr Watkins has hit
on something one thing to speed things

756
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:27,240
up would be to say I agree Mr Watkins on
that issue instead of going into detail

757
01:04:26,220 --> 01:04:30,660
about it but I'd like to hear from
everybody if you come here and you want

758
01:04:28,740 --> 01:04:34,859
to talk I want to hear you I agree you
know three minutes or whatever I mean if

759
01:04:33,420 --> 01:04:38,760
you get it out in three I mean if it's
something that you really got to go I

760
01:04:36,839 --> 01:04:42,240
want to hear you man this is important
to everybody

761
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:46,619
all right Mr Mr Winfrey would it be okay
to

762
01:04:43,619 --> 01:04:52,460
to just uh have the have the chair agree
that we're going to allow everybody

763
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:52,460
wants to speak on this 10 minutes

764
01:04:52,500 --> 01:04:57,780
I I'm I'll sit here all night if I need
to but the boy can adopt whatever rule

765
01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:01,559
it wants
okay I mean I'm willing to make that

766
01:04:59,819 --> 01:05:06,660
motion if you think emotion is necessary
Mr Wagner well I think excuse me

767
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:11,220
I just got you mixed up with young Mr
Wagner you should be flattered Mr

768
01:05:09,299 --> 01:05:14,880
Winfrey yes uh
um

769
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:18,660
given that the materials announced a
rule

770
01:05:15,780 --> 01:05:22,260
for for how this is to be done if the
board was to change that rule I think

771
01:05:20,579 --> 01:05:26,400
emotionally in order to change the rule
to adopt whatever ruling okay of course

772
01:05:24,420 --> 01:05:29,880
if the proponents want to speak some
more too you know I would want to hear

773
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:34,140
from them I want to hear from everybody
anybody that wants to say something who

774
01:05:31,799 --> 01:05:38,520
got the rebuttal or whatever I mean this
is a big deal I'll make I'll make this

775
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:45,299
motion that anybody wants to speak Pro
or uh against this rezoning case will be

776
01:05:42,839 --> 01:05:48,540
allowed at least 10 minutes and and we
would ask that you not be redundant and

777
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:53,160
repeat what the just the previous
speaker

778
01:05:50,059 --> 01:05:57,180
touched on if if you do this board that
courtesy but we want to hear from

779
01:05:55,079 --> 01:06:01,619
everybody and that'd be my motion yeah
in lieu of a time so no time limit for

780
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:04,160
opponents who are opposition just 10
minutes per person

781
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:09,319
looks like Joe Biden said I have a
motion do I have a second

782
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:17,579
any discussion
Mr Rigsby

783
01:06:14,040 --> 01:06:22,380
aye Mr Floyd aye Mr Landry aye Mr Jones
hi and I am also I

784
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:26,000
uh let me back up here just a minute Mr
Clayton did you want to speak in favor

785
01:06:26,220 --> 01:06:32,220
um well I'm the engineer and I can I
could answer some of these questions

786
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:37,079
that have been brought up okay
I have I have the card here for you uh

787
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:42,740
as a proponent and I overlooked it would
you would you care to stand up to speak

788
01:06:38,579 --> 01:06:42,740
to anything to this point

789
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:53,180
if if you would I'll need you to step to
the podium identify yourself please sir

790
01:07:01,220 --> 01:07:09,380
uh my name's Norris Clayton with Hugh
Crete Associates Engineers 1306 West

791
01:07:06,539 --> 01:07:15,420
Wendover Avenue in Greensboro
engineer for the project

792
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:19,619
uh the comment came up about putting an
eight inch water line eight inch water

793
01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:24,420
line all water lines within the city of
Stokesdale or put in the right away of

794
01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:27,720
the street you get an encroaching permit
from dot to put it in

795
01:07:26,339 --> 01:07:31,140
it's usually in the shoulder of the
street about four or five feet off the

796
01:07:29,940 --> 01:07:35,940
edge of pavement
so that would be within the right way

797
01:07:33,539 --> 01:07:41,339
the the bottleneck area they're talking
about

798
01:07:36,900 --> 01:07:45,780
is we've done surveys 57 feet from
property line to the corner there so

799
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:51,240
right away would be 50 feet wide we
could we could get in through there

800
01:07:48,059 --> 01:07:54,240
so does a couple quick answers for that
if anybody got any other questions I'll

801
01:07:52,619 --> 01:07:59,640
be glad we'll have questions once once
everyone's had a chance to speak do we

802
01:07:56,339 --> 01:08:06,200
have any other proponents
for this uh rezoning do we have any

803
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,200
other opponents for this rezoning

804
01:08:07,380 --> 01:08:12,240
it's hard sir I've got them I've done
them got them all

805
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:15,059
got them all you've called everybody
called them all yes sir would you like

806
01:08:13,980 --> 01:08:20,339
to speak
are you are you in opposition

807
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:23,239
okay if you would step to the podium and
identify yourself

808
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:27,199
um

809
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:35,359
thank you my name is Duane Dalton 8300
Zebedee Lang Stokesdale and I'm in

810
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:39,660
opposition uh
anyway I didn't turn my name in for a

811
01:08:38,100 --> 01:08:45,660
card but
and I'm speaking in a different way

812
01:08:42,179 --> 01:08:52,799
but I'm in opposition of this rezoning
and I'm speaking on behalf of Wildlife

813
01:08:49,679 --> 01:08:59,960
town at Stokesdale is just being sucked
in in the animals is most of us can't go

814
01:08:55,859 --> 01:09:05,339
out of our backyard front yard nowhere
Wildlife don't have nowhere to go

815
01:09:03,660 --> 01:09:09,779
I know it's good for people to have
homes I want everybody to have a home

816
01:09:07,980 --> 01:09:14,460
but it's more laying outside the
Stokesdale than everybody coming to

817
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:18,480
Stokesdale and I mean where are the
animals going

818
01:09:16,859 --> 01:09:22,380
I ain't just talking about Happy Hill
Road I'm talking about every other place

819
01:09:20,100 --> 01:09:26,759
in Stokesdale we don't think about that
when we uh

820
01:09:24,299 --> 01:09:31,980
rezone and laying and taking it out of
Agriculture putting in residential

821
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:35,719
and the Animals can't speak
and that's what that's why I'm here

822
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:43,319
we need more land
no man no more land is being made but we

823
01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:48,600
need the land we do have
for wildlife

824
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:51,719
Wildlife because I mean what are we
going to do

825
01:09:49,799 --> 01:09:56,880
I mean you shouldn't have to go to the
zoo to see a deer

826
01:09:54,780 --> 01:10:00,540
you should not go to the zoo to see a
raccoon

827
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:05,040
a skunk
but that's what's gonna happen

828
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:08,520
if we keep on building and building and
building

829
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:13,800
Stokesdale Oak Ridge Summerfield
Greensboro Winston-Salem

830
01:10:11,699 --> 01:10:16,280
the wildlife is going they gonna go
somewhere

831
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:22,040
and I would like to see a few I'm in
Stokesdale all over they get on my

832
01:10:19,620 --> 01:10:22,040
nerves

833
01:10:22,260 --> 01:10:25,219
as well as some people

834
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:33,780
I was still
I just think we should consider

835
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:39,179
not developing every inch of land to put
houses on not I just that's what I want

836
01:10:36,179 --> 01:10:43,500
to say okay thank you sir okay thank you
very much

837
01:10:41,040 --> 01:10:47,940
yes sir
opposition or proponent

838
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:50,239
if you would identify yourself please
sir

839
01:10:52,800 --> 01:11:02,340
some Gerard Carter I live at 7569 Happy
Hill Road and just looking at this the

840
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:09,239
plan and listening to the developer if
they have a right-of-way already

841
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:12,480
why do they need to disrupt lives to put
another one in just because it's

842
01:11:11,159 --> 01:11:16,620
probably going to be a little easier for
them a little cheaper for him

843
01:11:14,580 --> 01:11:20,280
like a lot of people said that that spot
where they're coming in at it's a blind

844
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,520
spot
when you're coming if you're going south

845
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:27,600
on Happy here Road
you don't see that until you're almost

846
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:31,260
on it you won't see that that driveway
until you're on it

847
01:11:29,159 --> 01:11:36,780
okay that's that's one issue the second
issue is they're saying seven homes

848
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:40,380
they're not telling you that that acts
that's going to access the entire

849
01:11:39,239 --> 01:11:46,080
development
so we're not talking about just seven

850
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:50,400
homes now we're talking about 101 homes
this is what we're talking about now

851
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:52,800
majority in Forsyth County but you don't
think they're going to come through

852
01:11:51,239 --> 01:11:56,040
there because it's easier to get out to
158

853
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:59,040
or go to Stokesdale
so we're not just talking about seven

854
01:11:57,420 --> 01:12:04,440
homes as they're trying to make believe
we're talking about a 101 homes

855
01:12:02,820 --> 01:12:09,300
yeah it may be another access home
Forsyth County but believe me a majority

856
01:12:07,140 --> 01:12:13,440
of they're going to come through there
and you guys you really need to go look

857
01:12:11,699 --> 01:12:19,260
at it before you decide because that is
a blind spot going south on Happy Hill

858
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:26,460
Road once you hit the top of that hill
then you see that access

859
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:29,820
there's going to be some accidents there
sooner or later there will be because of

860
01:12:28,440 --> 01:12:36,000
the amount of traffic is being added
they've already added the development up

861
01:12:32,460 --> 01:12:40,199
the street at uh what do you call the
Silo that's 60 some homes I think going

862
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:44,760
in there
and then there you're going to put in

863
01:12:41,820 --> 01:12:49,920
Access for another 100 homes
on Happy Hill Road

864
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:54,000
you guys realize what that's going to do
it's not seven even though they're 77

865
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:59,659
it's not seven they're going to have to
access that whole development through

866
01:12:55,500 --> 01:12:59,659
there that's 101 homes

867
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:08,340
well there's another unhappy you wrote
to this property that they're building

868
01:13:04,739 --> 01:13:12,780
Mr Mayor yeah yeah but it's not in that
spot gentlemen Gentlemen please I'm just

869
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:17,940
saying it's not in that spot that's a
very dangerous spot

870
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:20,460
so that's that's that's what I have to
say about it it's very dangerous if you

871
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:25,020
ride and you see it I don't know what
the other one is I don't know how

872
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:30,000
dangerous that is but that one will be a
very dangerous intersection

873
01:13:27,780 --> 01:13:34,080
that's it Julie noted thank you sir
thank you Mr Carter

874
01:13:32,699 --> 01:13:38,719
does anyone else want to speak in
opposition or

875
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:38,719
a proponent

876
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:47,940
guys come on like I won't uh we won't
bite and I made that motion to give

877
01:13:46,020 --> 01:13:51,480
y'all time to talk now the room's full
and I I just want to be sure y'all

878
01:13:49,980 --> 01:13:54,440
understand if you have something to say
now would be the time

879
01:13:56,060 --> 01:14:00,739
if you would please step up to the
podium

880
01:14:04,679 --> 01:14:11,840
foreign
ER

881
01:14:08,060 --> 01:14:11,840
75-44 Happy Hill Road

882
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:19,380
this road this development will access
Happy Hill Road the other end of that

883
01:14:16,980 --> 01:14:26,340
other development the 170 some homes
comes off Van Hoy road but it hits the

884
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:29,940
other end of Happy Hill Road it comes
out on Happy Hill Road

885
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:35,100
so all the traffic's going to be on
Happy Hill Road

886
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:39,540
who's going to put a left turn lane and
a traffic light at Happy Hill Road in

887
01:14:37,739 --> 01:14:44,280
158.
he's going to pay for that

888
01:14:41,820 --> 01:14:48,780
you're going to need it
you already got 500 homes 500 cars that

889
01:14:47,699 --> 01:14:52,800
you say
with a study has on Happy Hill Road

890
01:14:50,940 --> 01:14:58,620
every day
you're going to add 100 homes 101 homes

891
01:14:55,620 --> 01:15:03,260
you're going to add at least 200 if not
300 cars

892
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,260
more

893
01:15:04,679 --> 01:15:11,060
bottom line
without any improvements

894
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:17,820
so all the traffic from both sides of
this development are going to be on

895
01:15:16,020 --> 01:15:21,739
Happy Hill Road
no matter how they want to spin it

896
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,540
and I don't think you're up to that

897
01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:35,940
and to pull out at Happy Hill Road now
on 158 is tough

898
01:15:33,060 --> 01:15:42,000
just because of the traffic
almost any time of day

899
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:45,179
to come in and out of there
so

900
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:49,260
you know is the town going to put the
light put a light in down there then or

901
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:54,540
or make the state do it or somebody's
going to fund that

902
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:57,560
it's going to be the developer
I have to pay that bill

903
01:15:57,840 --> 01:16:04,080
if if you're going to go through with
this

904
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:09,480
and on the wildlife side
you have plans of uh

905
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:17,640
developments all over the place you're
approving ground for future developments

906
01:16:13,860 --> 01:16:21,420
when you take away the agricultural
that acreage that you approve for

907
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:27,179
developments do you put that acreage
somewhere else

908
01:16:23,699 --> 01:16:31,679
into agricultural or Open Spaces
when you're doing away with the Open

909
01:16:28,739 --> 01:16:35,760
Spaces and agricultural
or or you don't care about that

910
01:16:34,860 --> 01:16:39,080
foreign
for the Open Spaces

911
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:45,960
that's all I got
thank you thank you appreciate it

912
01:16:42,900 --> 01:16:52,080
is there anyone else like to speak
yes sir please step up identify yourself

913
01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:55,800
well I got a quick question is this
please step up to the podium identify

914
01:16:53,820 --> 01:16:59,580
yourself if if you don't use the
microphone it won't pick up on our

915
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:05,219
YouTube channel and the recorders that
the clerks use it was just not not just

916
01:17:02,159 --> 01:17:10,260
us it's our electronic gear okay
is is this just strictly for please

917
01:17:08,219 --> 01:17:15,600
identify yourself my name is curry Reese
I live on Van Hoy Road 8756 my land

918
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:20,820
joins the property they're going to
develop

919
01:17:16,620 --> 01:17:26,400
my question is is is this meeting just
to rezone the the entrances on Happy

920
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:29,360
Hill Road or does this include bent
Ridge Forest too

921
01:17:30,540 --> 01:17:38,159
to answer Mr Reese's question
this meeting is to rezone 10 acres of

922
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:42,540
property on Happy Hill Road just Happy
Hill the other development that's

923
01:17:40,860 --> 01:17:46,920
probably adjacent to your property that
may or may not be in Forsyth County that

924
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:52,739
has to the best of my knowledge been
approved by Forsyth County

925
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:56,520
okay that's that's what I was just
wondering okay thank you

926
01:17:54,960 --> 01:18:02,640
thank you
is there anyone else would like to speak

927
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:05,420
got time for rebuttal three minutes each
Mr Garrett

928
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:13,860
once again if you would identify
yourself

929
01:18:10,860 --> 01:18:19,400
Greg Garrett with ours Parker homes
so I'm a father and a husband and I've

930
01:18:17,219 --> 01:18:25,320
learned to own it when I'm wrong
I uh I did go look through all of my

931
01:18:22,739 --> 01:18:32,940
records and I found an email from Oliver
bass and Tom Medlin which Mr Wagner has

932
01:18:29,820 --> 01:18:38,219
and it basically said that we didn't
have to rezone that 60 years so you guys

933
01:18:36,420 --> 01:18:43,320
are absolutely correct it was never
rezoned because it was determined that

934
01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:47,100
it didn't need to be rezoned for Access
if there wasn't going to be any houses

935
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:51,179
off of it
um so

936
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:55,320
I think we've cleared the air on that
um

937
01:18:52,500 --> 01:19:00,060
one of the reasons why we don't like
that access as much is because there's a

938
01:18:58,199 --> 01:19:04,320
lot more topography a lot more
environmentally sensitive areas so we're

939
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:10,440
going to talk about the environment and
Wildlife that is the least desirable

940
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:16,620
location to bring an Access Road in
and and Mr Clayton can can testify to

941
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:21,600
that as he's tried he's done all the
engineering for it and it's it's not

942
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:26,340
it's just not very environmentally
friendly but it can be done

943
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:32,460
it can be done but it's it's gonna cost
more so I don't want to do it I mean um

944
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:36,780
as far as the access issue is concerned
I mean that is

945
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:41,219
ncdot's jurisdiction they will come out
and make sure it's a safe condition

946
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:46,260
before they'll allow us to run that road
I mean we have to go to them and apply

947
01:19:43,679 --> 01:19:50,100
for a driveway permit so that will be
something that will be worked out later

948
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:55,560
um
as far as the rock goes

949
01:19:53,040 --> 01:20:01,140
um I'm unfortunately familiar with
having to blast Rock and

950
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:08,280
um therefore when I buy property I
always do lots of geotechnical work up

951
01:20:04,020 --> 01:20:13,320
front before buying property because you
just don't want to have to move rock

952
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:18,719
around and blast however if you do incur
so and we did not find there's lots of

953
01:20:15,900 --> 01:20:22,080
surface Boulders but down underneath it
is actually good dirt and it's

954
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:27,659
consistent with what the soil scientists
found most of this land perks it's real

955
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:35,600
Rock Rocky you won't per property but
should we encounter Rock we actually

956
01:20:30,900 --> 01:20:42,060
have to hire a seismatologist and and do
pre-pre and and post surveys to make

957
01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:48,060
sure that property nearby properties are
not impacted by our blasting efforts and

958
01:20:44,580 --> 01:20:52,020
if they are then then we we or the
blasting company typically has to make

959
01:20:49,860 --> 01:20:54,620
it right and that's why they carry very
high insurance

960
01:20:55,020 --> 01:21:02,159
I believe
I believe and of course Mr Clayton

961
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:06,659
addressed how there's enough room for us
to construct a road should ncdot permit

962
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:10,679
that driveway access
happy dancing your other questions you

963
01:21:08,219 --> 01:21:15,000
might have but there's the email from
Oliver Bass

964
01:21:12,440 --> 01:21:19,920
saying that the rezoning wasn't needed
and so at that point we withdrew it so

965
01:21:16,980 --> 01:21:24,600
you guys are absolutely correct
thank you Mr Garrett you mentioned I do

966
01:21:22,500 --> 01:21:28,620
have a question you mentioned that other
environmental concerns on the Duke

967
01:21:26,100 --> 01:21:33,480
Energy property and that it's also more
expensive so it's not ideal if just a

968
01:21:31,860 --> 01:21:38,219
hypothetical if it was less expensive
would you still not want to do it

969
01:21:35,580 --> 01:21:40,679
because the environmental issues no so
another reason is

970
01:21:40,020 --> 01:21:46,199
um
I mean it's uh you you don't like as a

971
01:21:44,219 --> 01:21:50,640
developer you don't like constructing a
road without getting houses on it and

972
01:21:48,540 --> 01:21:54,900
all I have there is a 60-foot
right-of-way to construct a road but we

973
01:21:52,440 --> 01:21:59,159
can't what they call Enterprise all of
that cost just like when you guys run a

974
01:21:57,420 --> 01:22:04,400
water line you want to make sure you got
some Taps on it right and so same same

975
01:22:01,860 --> 01:22:04,400
principle

976
01:22:04,860 --> 01:22:11,460
okay
[Music]

977
01:22:09,239 --> 01:22:14,239
anyone else want to rebut anything
that's been said

978
01:22:20,699 --> 01:22:23,659
foreign

979
01:22:27,179 --> 01:22:35,940
hello I'm Margaret King I live at 7582
Happy Hill Road as far as what he just

980
01:22:33,300 --> 01:22:42,840
said any of us that has built a house on
Happy Hill knows Hill Road knows that we

981
01:22:39,300 --> 01:22:48,480
have all ran into rock
every last one of us have so I don't

982
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:55,500
know who's doing his survey
he might need to get a refund but I know

983
01:22:52,020 --> 01:23:00,060
for a fact and I did want to say that
and I do want to agree with just about

984
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:04,980
what everybody else has said and I just
wanted to make sure as you said just

985
01:23:02,400 --> 01:23:08,940
make sure that you say you're Greek I'm
agreeing besides what he said about the

986
01:23:07,020 --> 01:23:13,400
Rock
thank you

987
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,400
anyone else

988
01:23:19,620 --> 01:23:27,199
my name is Adam Miler I'm at 75 87 Happy
Hill Road I've got 22 acres to join the

989
01:23:25,020 --> 01:23:32,280
property proposed property development
and we've got 22 Acres I had to dig over

990
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:38,820
18 different holes to get my property to
perk every single one had Rock so

991
01:23:36,440 --> 01:23:42,360
just a adjacent to the property they're
trying to do we had so much Rock there

992
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:45,239
it wasn't even funny so we're just
trying to get a six bedroom home in out

993
01:23:43,679 --> 01:23:50,340
there and we had to dig 18 different
holes just to get a perk test on 22

994
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:53,179
Acres so that's 22 acres for one home
explain to me please

995
01:23:53,219 --> 01:23:57,140
yes Garrett Mr Garrett

996
01:23:58,380 --> 01:24:06,239
wait a minute here
are we going to allow a third round of

997
01:24:03,179 --> 01:24:10,199
rebuttal I'm with Mr Landreth I think
everyone should have a chance to speak

998
01:24:07,620 --> 01:24:13,860
okay well just as long as the uh those
that are opposed get equal time I'm okay

999
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:17,640
with it but we're gonna have the
Wingstop nobody as you said we're going

1000
01:24:15,480 --> 01:24:23,219
to be here until until everyone's had a
chance okay I'm good come home I'm what

1001
01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:27,840
they call a Hands-On developer I'm sorry
Mr Garrett again go ahead I'm what they

1002
01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:31,800
call a Hands-On developer
um I actually was out there the entire

1003
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:36,780
time these Rock studies were done
because I've actually gotten bad

1004
01:24:34,140 --> 01:24:41,760
geotechnical information before I've
been doing this my whole working career

1005
01:24:39,239 --> 01:24:49,320
um Decades of developing land over the
Triad and so much so that I I actually

1006
01:24:46,340 --> 01:24:53,880
bring in track hoes and they dig deep
down into the ground because to me

1007
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:59,940
that's the best way to know and so we
spent I think better four or five days

1008
01:24:56,340 --> 01:25:04,560
out there digging digging test pits
making sure that we didn't have Rock

1009
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:10,140
issues could I be wrong I mean you know
it's only as good as where you dig but

1010
01:25:06,300 --> 01:25:15,540
we we strategically chose where we would
have to do some deeper Excavating and

1011
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:21,600
and that's how we determine where we dug
so I mean it's our risk you know but I I

1012
01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:24,840
did everything I could to vet it
now where are you talking about digging

1013
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:27,659
holes
are you 10 acres we're talking about

1014
01:25:26,100 --> 01:25:31,620
tonight are you talking about the party
I'm talking about the 126 Acres yeah

1015
01:25:29,699 --> 01:25:34,140
because you hadn't dug any holes over
here beside these folks houses not yet

1016
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:36,739
no
okay

1017
01:25:39,719 --> 01:25:46,080
what
I've got some questions all right

1018
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:50,120
Council questions has everybody spoken
has everyone spoken that wanted to speak

1019
01:25:50,580 --> 01:25:55,280
questions from Council yeah I've got
some too Mr Floyd

1020
01:25:55,380 --> 01:26:02,460
you got Jimmy
Mr Landreth uh okay I guess uh Mr Snyder

1021
01:26:01,560 --> 01:26:05,000
would you
would you go up

1022
01:26:05,940 --> 01:26:11,699
Justin Snyder Guilford County okay
um

1023
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:16,020
now
we know that we have proved that they

1024
01:26:14,219 --> 01:26:19,760
could hook onto water
a year or so ago

1025
01:26:19,980 --> 01:26:23,120
there's no condition

1026
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:29,580
in this zoning about hooking the water
correct this is a straight rezoning

1027
01:26:27,540 --> 01:26:33,300
which is not conditioned it's possible
I'm not saying it's going to happen or

1028
01:26:31,620 --> 01:26:38,420
nobody you know because things change
companies change I guess you're an

1029
01:26:35,340 --> 01:26:38,420
employer you own the company

1030
01:26:39,060 --> 01:26:46,020
things change is it possible that they
could not hook up to the water that's

1031
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:50,760
rs-40 so it's not in our requirements
right there there is a let me find the

1032
01:26:48,780 --> 01:26:56,000
provision here
now

1033
01:26:52,860 --> 01:26:56,000
it's 5 13.

1034
01:26:56,639 --> 01:27:02,300
so there there is a provision to connect
um

1035
01:27:02,340 --> 01:27:08,760
that says that connection of each lot to
Public Water and Sewer utilities shall

1036
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:13,260
be required if the proposed minor
subdivisions within 300 feet

1037
01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:17,280
in each lot in a proposed major
subdivisions within a thousand feet to

1038
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:23,219
the nearest adequate lines in a public
system so this would exceed that

1039
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:27,659
thousand feet requirement so the way I
read that they would not be required

1040
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:32,159
okay to connect your information is
wrong on minor subdivisions I believe we

1041
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:37,199
didn't we discontinue the minor
subdivision he's just reading okay this

1042
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:41,520
one I have my ordinance book okay all
right well evidently you're very likely

1043
01:27:39,659 --> 01:27:47,580
correct make you a note of that when you
check on it I will note this um so

1044
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:51,120
that's possible that um
if they wouldn't have to there's nothing

1045
01:27:49,440 --> 01:27:55,219
saying they have to hook up to the water
there's no there's no water line there

1046
01:27:52,500 --> 01:27:55,219
to hook up to anyway

1047
01:27:57,060 --> 01:28:01,260
yeah it looks like there was a proposed
text Amendment

1048
01:28:00,480 --> 01:28:05,639
um
and we were trying to figure this out if

1049
01:28:02,940 --> 01:28:09,900
this uh passed I think this one did it
did yeah this one passed so

1050
01:28:07,860 --> 01:28:13,380
um it says major subdivisions connection
of each lot to a public water system

1051
01:28:11,639 --> 01:28:18,980
shall be required
if the proposed major subdivision meets

1052
01:28:15,540 --> 01:28:24,000
the criteria in the schedule below table
5-13.6-1 which of course I don't have a

1053
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:28,199
copy of uh distance shall be measured
from the property boundary nearest the

1054
01:28:26,340 --> 01:28:32,760
water system line
and then the proposed change was to add

1055
01:28:30,420 --> 01:28:37,920
the verbiage to the above that any
proposed major subdivisions as defined

1056
01:28:34,679 --> 01:28:42,659
in section 2-1 which I discussed in my
uh entry comments in the RS 30

1057
01:28:40,620 --> 01:28:45,780
residential single-family District shall
be required to connect to the water

1058
01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:51,020
system regardless of any of the criteria
in the table so this is rs40 this is RS

1059
01:28:48,900 --> 01:28:55,920
40. that's correct so the bottom line is
they're technically not required to they

1060
01:28:53,699 --> 01:28:58,739
just if they decided not to
you wouldn't have to do a water line

1061
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:03,120
they wouldn't have to hook up that is
how I read that sir yes so there's

1062
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:10,020
nothing in Stone Those requirements
apply to rs40 if they are within range

1063
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:14,219
in a major subdivision yeah yeah do you
know that specific distance at the

1064
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:19,139
moment is it aren't in our paperwork I
know I think they said 2700 feet from

1065
01:29:16,980 --> 01:29:23,400
158 to get to
this was the nearest I think I saw it

1066
01:29:21,179 --> 01:29:27,480
somewhere I don't have it here it seemed
to me like a Sperling I was up there at

1067
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:35,060
10 minutes to seven this morning and and
um it did I thought I measured for you

1068
01:29:30,900 --> 01:29:40,199
know uh longer than that I don't know so
are you familiar with the water lines

1069
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:47,360
not at all because in the uh I'll bring
we'll bring Mr Garrett back up and uh

1070
01:29:43,440 --> 01:29:47,360
and clarify some of that thank you

1071
01:29:47,460 --> 01:29:55,159
Mr Floyd well
I I think a question from Mr Garrett uh

1072
01:29:55,620 --> 01:30:03,659
I'm just going to start at the beginning
I've got some questions and some

1073
01:30:01,739 --> 01:30:08,580
illustration the best way I know that I
answer questions is to reference a

1074
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:12,199
document and I've asked I've put
together

1075
01:30:09,480 --> 01:30:12,199
PowerPoint

1076
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:20,820
and I said so these were the we had five
very similar documents to this in our

1077
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:26,520
packet and earlier this little narrow
swath of land came up as being a concern

1078
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:30,179
I'm concerned that one in the planning
board meeting you said that was 70 feet

1079
01:30:28,679 --> 01:30:36,900
and I guess you're making the correction
tonight that that's 57 feet

1080
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:42,060
I it's it's 57 feet it's how much sir
it's 57 feet it's been interested since

1081
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:45,679
the last meeting to clarify what if may
I asked what you told the Stokesdale

1082
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:51,719
planning board
you know me in memory I mean I I there

1083
01:30:49,139 --> 01:30:56,159
may have been 70 thrown out but I was
there yeah it was 70.

1084
01:30:53,699 --> 01:31:00,480
but but that's okay you're correcting
the error then right there was an error

1085
01:30:59,100 --> 01:31:06,000
made in the planning board meeting when
you said 70. right it's 57 it's been

1086
01:31:04,380 --> 01:31:10,940
surveyed since since the planning board
meeting okay okay

1087
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:10,940
uh

1088
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:17,040
all right so
he here's this is from a document that

1089
01:31:15,239 --> 01:31:22,260
was not in our packet but it's the from
the for a proof site plan from Forsyth

1090
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:27,120
County for this road
and would have highlighted in pink what

1091
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:30,120
concerns me is that is the 25 foot
utility is evening on each side of the

1092
01:31:29,159 --> 01:31:35,280
road
and oddly enough if you if you add 25

1093
01:31:32,940 --> 01:31:40,280
and 25 and then a 20-foot Road you get
right at 70 feet

1094
01:31:37,980 --> 01:31:40,280
uh

1095
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:48,840
but if you zoom in
and we have a two adjacent Property

1096
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:54,780
Owners speak tonight if you zoom in
the outside of the utility easement does

1097
01:31:51,900 --> 01:32:00,060
encroach well it's implied that it'll
encroach to the property to the South

1098
01:31:57,179 --> 01:32:02,719
into the property to the north
uh

1099
01:32:03,420 --> 01:32:12,679
do you agree I mean I'd have to bring my
civil engineer you're you're using the

1100
01:32:08,219 --> 01:32:12,679
details yep excellent Norse

1101
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:31,560
Norris Clayton you create Associates
engineers

1102
01:32:28,620 --> 01:32:39,060
uh yeah I mean there's 57 feet there if
you add a an easement outside of that

1103
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:47,179
uh it would be greater than 57 feet we'd
have to ask for an okay with the uh Duke

1104
01:32:42,719 --> 01:32:47,179
power to put it within 57 feet

1105
01:32:48,780 --> 01:32:56,460
but what were to rezone the request is
to rezone the property

1106
01:32:53,699 --> 01:33:01,580
with with a document that shows it going
into the adjacent Property Owners both

1107
01:32:58,739 --> 01:33:01,580
of them's property

1108
01:33:01,620 --> 01:33:06,900
did you have you had a discussion with
both Property Owners to say hey guys

1109
01:33:05,460 --> 01:33:14,580
look
this no I don't think they're agreeing

1110
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:17,000
to give up any easements or anything
look

1111
01:33:17,580 --> 01:33:23,940
he's in the transitive logic property
you know

1112
01:33:21,239 --> 01:33:28,139
if a private developer
takes land that eventually the private

1113
01:33:26,639 --> 01:33:31,260
developer is going to turn over to the
government and the DOT

1114
01:33:29,880 --> 01:33:37,139
isn't that kind of like the government
taking land from a property owner

1115
01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:43,920
yeah you could I mean you couldn't do
that without permission and that but

1116
01:33:40,260 --> 01:33:47,600
what we we would do would we have 57
feet in that property we would we would

1117
01:33:46,139 --> 01:33:53,820
go to Duke Power
and work within that amount

1118
01:33:51,540 --> 01:33:57,320
if they couldn't do it then we'd have to
back off and do something else

1119
01:33:57,420 --> 01:33:59,900
all right

1120
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:08,340
so just to clarify that um
it's still an unknown that that would

1121
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:11,880
even that Duke power even give you that
um approval

1122
01:34:10,679 --> 01:34:17,580
because that's going to put you right on
the road bed right in in the in the

1123
01:34:14,699 --> 01:34:21,900
bedding of the road the rock the you
know the fall off

1124
01:34:18,900 --> 01:34:25,920
right and and here
I mean we're here for the rezone of the

1125
01:34:24,120 --> 01:34:29,580
property what's the best use of the
property

1126
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:34,260
it's right now it's agricultural it's
got one house on it

1127
01:34:31,980 --> 01:34:39,900
all right you have to go rs40 if you put
more than one house on on the lot on

1128
01:34:36,540 --> 01:34:43,020
this property so we're going asking for
that

1129
01:34:41,460 --> 01:34:46,920
uh
you know

1130
01:34:44,340 --> 01:34:50,219
the owner of the property here is a is a
citizen of Stokesdale too and they've

1131
01:34:48,659 --> 01:34:52,500
got a right to try to sell their
property

1132
01:34:51,179 --> 01:34:59,340
I mean
and either way

1133
01:34:54,840 --> 01:35:03,320
it is rs40 a good Zoning for the
property is what we're really asking

1134
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,320
here tonight

1135
01:35:06,300 --> 01:35:10,040
if there's not enough room for a road

1136
01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:17,760
we can put a road in well easement yes
the easement that's required by the

1137
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:23,159
ordinance and all that right and then
like I say this is the first stage of

1138
01:35:20,820 --> 01:35:27,900
of development we'd have to come back do
the subdivision plan gets approvals from

1139
01:35:25,860 --> 01:35:32,880
Duke power get approved from D.O.T to
put in the entrance get a driveway what

1140
01:35:30,659 --> 01:35:37,980
about the two individuals The Neighbors
that if this passes tonight and they

1141
01:35:35,580 --> 01:35:42,659
leave this meeting thinking that the
government just approved a plan when

1142
01:35:39,719 --> 01:35:48,480
they had a document that shows
this going through their property

1143
01:35:46,219 --> 01:35:53,659
well we could not go through their
property if that becomes an issue we

1144
01:35:50,520 --> 01:35:53,659
can't do that yes

1145
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:02,840
again if you would identify yourself
would you mind heading in the microphone

1146
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:20,159
how do you go out today and measured
across again again if you would identify

1147
01:36:16,199 --> 01:36:25,440
yourself sir I'm Daryl Watkins I'm 75 75
Happy Hill Road I'm the one on the right

1148
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:32,040
hand side of the bottleneck I guess you
call it the uh south side but I went out

1149
01:36:29,159 --> 01:36:37,260
today and measured across there 70 feet
if that thing encroaches on me 70 feet

1150
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:40,159
it's going to take my driveway that's
all I got to say

1151
01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:47,719
okay
well

1152
01:36:48,060 --> 01:36:51,920
I'm ready to make a motion

1153
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,940
good question before

1154
01:36:56,580 --> 01:37:04,260
you feel like questions we would have to
close the public hearing if if you have

1155
01:37:01,139 --> 01:37:09,900
a motion uh but well okay I've got some
more questions Yeah well yeah

1156
01:37:07,380 --> 01:37:15,480
started good really all right well I'll
uh I'm good I mean if you wanna

1157
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:20,159
if you want to do a different procedure
that's fine with me I just um

1158
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:23,940
go ahead you know I've got concerns you
know I went down this morning it uh I

1159
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:28,199
was there about 10 minutes till seven
I'll tell you

1160
01:37:25,620 --> 01:37:32,520
I've rode bicycles on that road back
when it's a dirt road and high tech Road

1161
01:37:29,820 --> 01:37:36,120
it's sometime about 50 years ago I've
been here all my life

1162
01:37:34,139 --> 01:37:42,239
and um
things have changed

1163
01:37:38,179 --> 01:37:44,239
uh it's a terrible place right there
um

1164
01:37:45,260 --> 01:37:52,020
I know we're here for zoning hearing but
um

1165
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:58,020
these issues are reporting that road I
know d-o-t um

1166
01:37:54,540 --> 01:38:03,000
will would be looking at the road but
I guess maybe this is Justin

1167
01:38:01,020 --> 01:38:09,000
um Mr Snyder
you uh this may be hard for you to

1168
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:14,100
answer or what
at one time there was a road that went

1169
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:16,860
all the way through you know uh over to
the West on Happy Hill that would go

1170
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:20,280
down through that project and I guess it
would come out on Van hole from what

1171
01:38:18,420 --> 01:38:23,940
I've seen and that's like I say that's
Forsyth County

1172
01:38:22,260 --> 01:38:28,560
um
and I know now I think they've split

1173
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:33,060
that where part of that development goes
out there and then this part would would

1174
01:38:30,239 --> 01:38:37,800
come out here yeah it's uh like Birch
Tree Lane or something like that to the

1175
01:38:35,880 --> 01:38:43,980
southern part through the Oak Ridge
etj right some of the Lots from what

1176
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:46,500
I've seen of course this hasn't been
formally submitted to Guilford County so

1177
01:38:45,659 --> 01:38:52,620
I'm just
you know talking subjectively about what

1178
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:57,300
I've seen uh appear to go off of that
entrance whereas other Lots will come

1179
01:38:55,020 --> 01:39:01,980
off of this entrance if they develop the
property as from what I've seen if this

1180
01:38:59,699 --> 01:39:05,219
was done that road if if they decided to
because they had a cut through I think

1181
01:39:03,480 --> 01:39:09,360
maybe they're going to cut it off or
whatever but that can be changed all

1182
01:39:07,500 --> 01:39:13,739
these things can be changed depending on
engineering their engineer would have to

1183
01:39:11,159 --> 01:39:17,760
determine you know ultimate Road layout
and and how it best works for them and

1184
01:39:15,780 --> 01:39:22,739
and what works to meet stokesdale's
ordinance and Dot's requirements

1185
01:39:20,820 --> 01:39:27,179
um I I think
um

1186
01:39:23,580 --> 01:39:30,600
you know the the bigger questions would
have to be answered by the technical

1187
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:34,560
Review Committee as part of any review
I think the main question tonight is do

1188
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:39,239
you feel comfortable with this as an
rs-40 zoning or would you feel it more

1189
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:44,400
appropriate to remain as Agricultural
and I know there's these these alternate

1190
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:48,300
questions they're all great questions a
lot of these questions

1191
01:39:46,020 --> 01:39:53,580
can't be answered right now without
going through full engineering technical

1192
01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:58,080
review letting Watershed look at it
letting dot look at it let planning look

1193
01:39:55,980 --> 01:40:02,780
at it because we'll look at all the
easements we'll look at where the

1194
01:40:00,060 --> 01:40:09,060
utilities are we'll look at you know
whether these Lots will perk all of

1195
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:13,020
that's handled through that process and
I just can't give you any definitive

1196
01:40:10,739 --> 01:40:16,380
answers on What ultimately it's going to
look like until we've done a full review

1197
01:40:14,580 --> 01:40:21,360
that's not the point I'm trying to get
to this is tough on me I've never I had

1198
01:40:18,719 --> 01:40:26,159
never voted no one will rezone I hope it
don't scare anybody but but I haven't

1199
01:40:23,880 --> 01:40:31,320
I've always waited out everything out
heavy I mean really heavy I lose a lot

1200
01:40:28,380 --> 01:40:35,820
of sleeping that's my wife she knows it
um

1201
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:40,980
my concern like I said none of that is
in stone so if if we did that that's a

1202
01:40:39,300 --> 01:40:44,040
possibility of that road could go and
actually could possibly service all

1203
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:48,300
those houses I know they say what
they're going to do but at one time

1204
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:52,380
and we're going to go on on the other
side I mean those things change and I do

1205
01:40:50,280 --> 01:40:56,520
understand that I understand that yeah
and you're absolutely but but that could

1206
01:40:55,080 --> 01:41:01,320
happen is that
that is a correct assumption

1207
01:40:58,980 --> 01:41:05,699
um anything can be engineered I I think
that's the the takeaway anything but

1208
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:10,080
once we do that then it's once we do
that then it's out of our hands correct

1209
01:41:08,100 --> 01:41:13,739
really at that point that meets that
ordinance it has to be approved what

1210
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:17,880
we're doing then
we're going to put a hundred and some if

1211
01:41:15,900 --> 01:41:23,100
that if that scenario came we would be
putting 100 and some houses possibly

1212
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:27,600
coming out on that hill right there
right because if it was just I'll tell

1213
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:30,960
you something I wouldn't even have it I
would I wouldn't I know that people

1214
01:41:29,699 --> 01:41:36,360
wouldn't like it but if it was just
seven houses on a little trailer land

1215
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:40,139
rs40 it'd almost be a no-brainer for me
but but that's just not the case I mean

1216
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:43,679
I know maybe we're not supposed to look
at this and look at that but but you

1217
01:41:42,060 --> 01:41:48,119
know you got to you got to look at the
big picture or at least think about it

1218
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:51,719
so I'm weighing the big picture and
that's that was my question yes sir and

1219
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:54,980
uh
let's see

1220
01:41:55,380 --> 01:42:01,920
okay
that's

1221
01:41:59,699 --> 01:42:05,639
yeah I'll go ahead I might have some
more I got all kinds of questions out

1222
01:42:03,480 --> 01:42:11,340
here but I may have answered some of
them so anybody else got anything please

1223
01:42:07,739 --> 01:42:15,900
proceed I've got some questions about
I know it's not rs40 zoning but I don't

1224
01:42:14,639 --> 01:42:19,739
know when we'd have an opportunity to
get together as a council and we don't

1225
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:23,159
have a town manager we're a mayor
council formal government so I've got

1226
01:42:21,179 --> 01:42:30,260
some questions about the water
and uh Mr Clayton or Mr Garrett

1227
01:42:27,300 --> 01:42:30,260
you can answer that

1228
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:39,860
if I'm looking at the site plan
it looks like a town water main would go

1229
01:42:36,060 --> 01:42:39,860
right through the middle of lot 33.

1230
01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:49,619
that's that is a um
the water main would would go

1231
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:54,119
cross-country at that point
so just just to bring everybody up to

1232
01:42:52,739 --> 01:42:58,800
speed
um this has been a quagmire in terms of

1233
01:42:56,340 --> 01:43:02,940
jurisdictions this is
um

1234
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:08,119
um it's confusing to me
um but Forsyth County has already

1235
01:43:05,360 --> 01:43:14,520
approved the project
as two separate projects so that what

1236
01:43:11,580 --> 01:43:17,040
would come out on Happy Hill with this
subject site

1237
01:43:16,320 --> 01:43:21,900
um
would

1238
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:28,560
would only be 36 homes
with what was originally approved was

1239
01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:33,300
all 94 Lots having access on Happy Hill
through that right that 60-foot

1240
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:40,080
right-of-way and we were connecting over
to Bent Ridge Forest and so technically

1241
01:43:36,179 --> 01:43:44,340
in that scenario all 94 homes should
they choose to go that way would come

1242
01:43:42,659 --> 01:43:51,719
out onto Happy Hill
including the bent Ridge Forest folks

1243
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:54,719
now that has been segregated and
um

1244
01:43:52,320 --> 01:44:01,739
Mr Wagner if you could throw up that
plan the the plan that he has

1245
01:43:58,199 --> 01:44:04,920
um is actually the proof Forsyth County
um

1246
01:44:02,820 --> 01:44:10,199
special use map
so this is you know what we're bound to

1247
01:44:07,139 --> 01:44:17,040
do and it shows a water line as you've
already pointed out but it also shows

1248
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:22,679
that we're no longer connecting the east
side of the property to the west side

1249
01:44:20,159 --> 01:44:27,960
with a road with a road
well is is that lot 33 are they going to

1250
01:44:26,040 --> 01:44:33,000
build a house there
on the on the side of the easement yes

1251
01:44:31,260 --> 01:44:37,739
so they'll have a water main going
through their backyard on the side yard

1252
01:44:35,100 --> 01:44:44,639
yes yep
and we're going to be responsible for it

1253
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:49,320
uh yeah so here is the approved plan if
you could so this is the the basically

1254
01:44:47,219 --> 01:44:55,560
the western side of the project and you
can see they're no longer connected

1255
01:44:52,500 --> 01:45:01,020
um and then the Eastern side
actually shows this property subject

1256
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:06,600
property as
an alternative access

1257
01:45:04,080 --> 01:45:11,040
um and to the Duke Energy 60-foot
right-of-way but up there if you could

1258
01:45:09,119 --> 01:45:16,940
pull that Eastern one up
you can see that you've got in the top

1259
01:45:13,679 --> 01:45:24,840
right hand corner that is the approve
County Commissioner seal and so you know

1260
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:29,580
I know everyone's concerned that I could
change up but I'm telling this this is

1261
01:45:27,060 --> 01:45:35,100
what we're now you know
obligated to do but

1262
01:45:32,940 --> 01:45:39,060
could you change back to the not change
back to the other one but keep the inner

1263
01:45:36,780 --> 01:45:47,159
the road
and I mean I have there is there is zero

1264
01:45:43,040 --> 01:45:53,179
zero uh enticement for us to do that we
we had Environmental

1265
01:45:50,580 --> 01:45:53,179
yep

1266
01:45:53,280 --> 01:46:01,699
I mean you know it's a lake and and
there's a lot of you know tributaries

1267
01:45:57,960 --> 01:46:07,080
feeding into it and so we had by
segregating the the two sides

1268
01:46:05,219 --> 01:46:09,980
um we were able to eliminate three
stream Crossings

1269
01:46:13,980 --> 01:46:19,800
I don't know much about the water line
installation how is that stream at the

1270
01:46:17,820 --> 01:46:24,659
bottom of a gully I'm trying to think in
my head how our water line would yeah

1271
01:46:22,440 --> 01:46:26,780
I'll have to bring Mr Clayton up for
that

1272
01:46:37,139 --> 01:46:44,400
yeah if you can bring up that
playing again I can think I can show you

1273
01:46:42,719 --> 01:46:50,659
yeah the
this one uh well go to the first one

1274
01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:50,659
first where's coming off

1275
01:46:51,179 --> 01:46:59,900
yeah
you can zoom in down for that easement's

1276
01:46:55,139 --> 01:46:59,900
leaving that uh the entrance Road there

1277
01:47:00,060 --> 01:47:04,880
yeah that bottom left yeah
yeah

1278
01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:10,380
okay

1279
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:20,340
yeah there's where the easement to the
water line would go it'd go down

1280
01:47:16,580 --> 01:47:25,619
by those two lots down at the bottom is
a stream it would we would bore under

1281
01:47:22,619 --> 01:47:29,159
the stream and come up on the other side
and then go if you put it go to the

1282
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:33,719
other plan
it comes out on the other side

1283
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:36,020
zoom in right in that where that curves
at

1284
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:43,199
um
yeah zoom in a little closer on that

1285
01:47:39,900 --> 01:47:48,719
curve till on the top right top right
now let's stop that yeah

1286
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:56,540
that easement comes in between those two
lots into that road across that stream

1287
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:56,540
okay

1288
01:47:58,619 --> 01:48:08,760
and that gives us the service to those
back lots to get water out there I think

1289
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:15,380
there's 65 Lots on that side 36 slots on
the other side okay quick question

1290
01:48:12,440 --> 01:48:20,219
that's the county line yes sir
Mr Clayton yes who who are you talking

1291
01:48:18,239 --> 01:48:23,040
with are you talking with anybody with a
town of Stokesdale with the water lines

1292
01:48:21,659 --> 01:48:27,480
I know you're doing the engineering for
it uh I heard there was some high level

1293
01:48:25,739 --> 01:48:34,020
conversations going on and I don't know
anything about them and you know it's I

1294
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:37,199
mean the original back in 21 we did we
got to that point and who was you

1295
01:48:35,340 --> 01:48:40,380
talking to then I was on Council man I
mean all of a sudden it got put up and

1296
01:48:38,580 --> 01:48:43,560
we said it was a great deal we're going
to get a water line we thought the folks

1297
01:48:41,940 --> 01:48:46,560
in Happy Hill because for years they
said that you know they wanted water and

1298
01:48:45,119 --> 01:48:50,340
I guess it was late because now the
houses tore down that they needed it

1299
01:48:48,360 --> 01:48:55,619
with their shallow Wells and and they
dug deep whales and they don't need the

1300
01:48:52,560 --> 01:49:00,600
water line yeah we may have done a test
service instead of what we thought we

1301
01:48:57,719 --> 01:49:04,739
were doing and uh so we did vote on that
because we've always extended water

1302
01:49:02,340 --> 01:49:09,900
lines in Stokesdale with the developers
in 95 of the cases uh there's been a

1303
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:14,159
couple of things and I just you know
like I said I hadn't found anybody

1304
01:49:11,340 --> 01:49:20,280
that's been talking to anybody and
um yeah there again this is the first

1305
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:25,440
step in the process and yes we I mean
we're counting on since we did it in 21

1306
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:28,320
we we would still continue that yeah
because we have to take it we had to

1307
01:49:27,119 --> 01:49:31,320
eventually take that thing over and
we're responsible when you're running

1308
01:49:29,460 --> 01:49:34,380
all up and down their Hills and Hollows
and they start breaking it's just a

1309
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:37,320
little yeah it's expensive
um

1310
01:49:35,159 --> 01:49:40,619
so
you just you're really not talking to

1311
01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:43,860
anybody in Stokesdale right now about
that you're just in a planning phase

1312
01:49:42,060 --> 01:49:47,460
that's what you're saying and I know
that don't really have anything else

1313
01:49:45,000 --> 01:49:52,260
originally we've taught we talked to the
mayor at the time

1314
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:56,699
and the Town Clerk and back in 21 okay
yeah you're talking about now bringing

1315
01:49:54,659 --> 01:50:00,600
the water line up to
the property

1316
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:05,340
that you're Rob
that we're trying to rezone tonight or

1317
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:11,159
you're trying to rezone you're not
talking about going across that 60 foot

1318
01:50:07,020 --> 01:50:16,460
right away going down that way are you
down you'd have the 64 right away

1319
01:50:13,619 --> 01:50:21,840
yourself but wasn't rezone
we went about that water line down that

1320
01:50:19,080 --> 01:50:25,260
easement at this point now at this point
right

1321
01:50:22,980 --> 01:50:28,860
no there's no need to I mean we've come
down through the access of this property

1322
01:50:27,540 --> 01:50:33,000
we're talking about you would come up to
I don't know that's three thousand feet

1323
01:50:30,239 --> 01:50:37,320
or so how many 700 feet actually how
many about 3 700 yeah I think it's

1324
01:50:35,159 --> 01:50:45,000
pretty good ways uh so that you would go
up to that property and go down that

1325
01:50:39,300 --> 01:50:45,000
right away with a water line yes okay

1326
01:50:45,060 --> 01:50:52,739
all right and there's no there's no
condition on this

1327
01:50:49,679 --> 01:50:56,659
in Winston-Salem this is not really it
are y'all conditioned does they have to

1328
01:50:55,260 --> 01:51:00,179
have the water for the Winston-Salem
Winston-Salem has part of their

1329
01:50:58,500 --> 01:51:04,260
conditions their plan is we're getting
water through Stokesdale right and so

1330
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:08,159
that was part of the in the planning
board meeting y'all held up a document

1331
01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:11,880
that that was like the condition was in
that documentation you have that like

1332
01:51:09,960 --> 01:51:15,119
document that shows that condition I
don't know

1333
01:51:13,199 --> 01:51:17,119
thanks God or not
um

1334
01:51:20,460 --> 01:51:28,260
yeah I mean at the planning board the
last week we actually said we we again

1335
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:32,280
publicly said we was going to put the
water line in

1336
01:51:29,699 --> 01:51:36,540
you know uh Mr Winfrey I have a question
here

1337
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:42,420
based on past experience but
if we close a public hearing portion of

1338
01:51:39,780 --> 01:51:46,560
this process won't this Council still be
allowed to ask questions of those

1339
01:51:44,040 --> 01:51:50,780
gathered here whether they be you or the
applicant or any citizen

1340
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:58,800
I still ask questions after public
hearings closed yeah yeah

1341
01:51:56,239 --> 01:52:04,020
what I'm interested in doing is getting
emotion on the floor for Council to

1342
01:52:01,080 --> 01:52:06,780
discuss right now we don't have one
I guess first thing would be to close

1343
01:52:05,460 --> 01:52:10,619
the public hearing if that's what the
board wishes to do what

1344
01:52:12,119 --> 01:52:18,360
this public hearing is closed no there
needs to be a motion I'll make a motion

1345
01:52:16,440 --> 01:52:24,420
we close the public hearing they'll say
there is no motion I have the authority

1346
01:52:21,480 --> 01:52:30,239
am I correct Miss Miss Martin
you know I have the authority this this

1347
01:52:26,699 --> 01:52:34,320
public hearing has closed what
guess what

1348
01:52:31,920 --> 01:52:38,159
you got it you got it taken my
instructions from my clerk hey she knows

1349
01:52:36,540 --> 01:52:42,060
her stuff so let's go we'll go to jail
together

1350
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:45,139
it's fine I'm not going with you okay
Tim Mike

1351
01:52:45,300 --> 01:52:53,100
probably needs to Mr Jones Okay I want
to make a motion that motion would be to

1352
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:58,860
deny the applicant for the rezoning case
number 22 Dash

1353
01:52:57,139 --> 01:53:01,860
12-plb
-00031

1354
01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:11,119
I'm going to second the motion
discussion

1355
01:53:11,340 --> 01:53:17,100
I'm going to say I'm I'm a property
rights guy I do believe anybody that

1356
01:53:15,719 --> 01:53:22,139
owns their own property ought to have a
lot to to say ought to have complete say

1357
01:53:19,500 --> 01:53:27,000
about it and I say that as a homeowners
association president

1358
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:32,159
and if anybody is unfortunate enough to
live in a homeowner's association they

1359
01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:36,480
know that you can't do what you want to
do with your own property

1360
01:53:33,719 --> 01:53:41,520
but again I do live in one and I'm the
president of it but I do believe that

1361
01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:45,679
that a property owner should be able to
do whatever they want to do with their

1362
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:45,679
property

1363
01:53:47,580 --> 01:53:54,060
that's my discussion
is there any other discussion

1364
01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:58,990
yes sir Mr Mayor I've got several points
that I'm going to make here this is

1365
01:53:56,159 --> 01:54:01,739
going to take a while
[Music]

1366
01:54:00,360 --> 01:54:07,260
um
I'll try to be as brief as possible

1367
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:13,920
observe this
a previous Council

1368
01:54:09,380 --> 01:54:19,440
uh rezone the property off a cold water
Road and this was the first time that

1369
01:54:16,980 --> 01:54:24,600
town at Stokesdale water had been
extended back over into Forsyth County

1370
01:54:21,600 --> 01:54:29,900
we buy our water from Forsyth County
I observe that Mayor John Flynn at the

1371
01:54:27,179 --> 01:54:35,940
time provided a letter to Forsyth County
promising water to that particular

1372
01:54:32,040 --> 01:54:39,199
developer at that time he had no voter
Council

1373
01:54:36,900 --> 01:54:45,360
to sign such a letter
councils subsequently made a vote

1374
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:49,739
I don't know how long it was after that
letter was signed but subsequently the

1375
01:54:47,639 --> 01:54:53,400
council voted to provide water on cold
water

1376
01:54:50,820 --> 01:54:57,000
I bring this up because of some
technical points that the way our water

1377
01:54:55,679 --> 01:55:03,480
system operates the way our
administrative process operates uh

1378
01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:10,020
the Cold Water Project there was no plan
review so no Stokes still no engineer

1379
01:55:07,679 --> 01:55:13,679
looking at the plan on behalf of the
town of Stokesdale reviewed that plan

1380
01:55:11,639 --> 01:55:19,159
and then there were no inspections done
on that cold water Road water main

1381
01:55:15,659 --> 01:55:19,159
extension over in Forsyth County

1382
01:55:19,699 --> 01:55:28,679
that gets us to the Happy Hill there was
a subsequent vote by

1383
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:33,780
previous Council regarding an agreeing
to provide allow RJ R.S Parker Holmes to

1384
01:55:32,219 --> 01:55:38,100
connect to their the town of Stokesdale
water system

1385
01:55:35,639 --> 01:55:43,380
where I have I have several different
issues pertaining to this uh like my

1386
01:55:41,100 --> 01:55:48,480
good friend Mr Landers pointed out if it
was just a rezoning case about seven

1387
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:52,440
Lots off of Happy Hill Road I I you know
it would be a lot more simple as the

1388
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:58,080
applicants pointed out there are
multiple jurisdictions involved here and

1389
01:55:55,199 --> 01:56:04,320
that is unfortunate but that doesn't
mean that I'm an automatic yes vote on

1390
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:08,400
anything going across the county line
the

1391
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:13,199
town of Stokesdale currently has a cap
of 300 000 gallons per day to buy water

1392
01:56:10,920 --> 01:56:17,940
from Forsyth County we're negotiating to
raise that cap and and I think that will

1393
01:56:15,900 --> 01:56:21,540
be done relatively soon but I as a
council member at the moment have to

1394
01:56:19,260 --> 01:56:25,440
consider that this still capped at 300
000 gallons a day

1395
01:56:22,980 --> 01:56:29,580
there's uh the usage that's going back
over into Forsyth County I don't know

1396
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:33,119
what that will when it's completely
built out here's what's proposed I don't

1397
01:56:31,560 --> 01:56:38,699
know what that usage will be and I'm
concerned about that

1398
01:56:35,100 --> 01:56:43,800
uh just like Mr Lander if I grew up in
this area I've been up and down Happy

1399
01:56:40,380 --> 01:56:46,860
Hill Road countless times not sure if I
can brag about having to rode my bicycle

1400
01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:51,119
up and down there but I've been up and
down that road on tractors I have picked

1401
01:56:49,139 --> 01:56:56,639
up a rock on farms off of Happy Hill
Road I have that merit badge

1402
01:56:53,340 --> 01:57:01,020
I'm well aware of the rock over there
God made that corner of the Town a

1403
01:56:59,580 --> 01:57:04,619
little rougher than he did at rest of
Stokesdale and the applicant can't help

1404
01:57:02,880 --> 01:57:07,380
that and those that are opposed to this
rezoning King help that that's just a

1405
01:57:06,600 --> 01:57:11,840
fact
it is Rocky over there especially along

1406
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:16,560
the ridges
pyramid Quarry rock quarries right

1407
01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:21,659
around the road excuse me right around
the corner on Pyramid Quarry Road I I am

1408
01:57:20,099 --> 01:57:26,159
concerned that we
would have a difficult time getting uh

1409
01:57:24,239 --> 01:57:30,420
town of Stokesdale water lines installed
there

1410
01:57:27,599 --> 01:57:36,260
I don't like the idea of cross-country
water lines without interfacing with the

1411
01:57:33,540 --> 01:57:43,139
town of Stokesdale engineer
we have no memo of understanding or

1412
01:57:39,860 --> 01:57:48,480
interlocal agreement with Forsyth County
Oak Ridge or anybody else here involved

1413
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:54,659
regarding the administration of our
water system in Forsyth County into this

1414
01:57:51,420 --> 01:58:01,380
development and that concerns me
we would need to be able to collect the

1415
01:57:57,540 --> 01:58:06,960
a plan review fee and an inspection fee
and then we need to provide those

1416
01:58:03,480 --> 01:58:12,360
services for this development and until
the town of Stokesdale is satisfied

1417
01:58:09,540 --> 01:58:16,800
I wouldn't want to see the plot recorded
and any Lots sold over in Forsyth County

1418
01:58:14,460 --> 01:58:23,420
right now we don't even have so much as
one contact in Forsyth County that we're

1419
01:58:18,900 --> 01:58:23,420
discussing these procedural issues with

1420
01:58:23,880 --> 01:58:30,119
um
again if it was about just seven Lots I

1421
01:58:27,780 --> 01:58:33,719
you know I couldn't really see much of a
problem with that I I don't like that

1422
01:58:31,739 --> 01:58:41,699
little bottleneck I see going into this
property 57 foot is not much

1423
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:47,400
uh just like my friend Mr Landreth I
generally vote for rezonans I I hope I

1424
01:58:44,639 --> 01:58:52,980
think property rights are a fundamental
Freedom that we have in this country and

1425
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:56,639
uh I would I'm always very careful how I
consider

1426
01:58:54,360 --> 01:59:01,139
voting on a rezoning case as a planning
board member and a council member and in

1427
01:58:59,099 --> 01:59:06,540
this case I have done a lot of pondering
I've I've I have examined this several

1428
01:59:04,500 --> 01:59:11,580
different times over a period of time
talk to various people

1429
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:14,460
uh at the end of the day I'm elected to
use my judgment

1430
01:59:13,080 --> 01:59:19,500
and uh
Common Sense can't be defined

1431
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:24,599
but
this project from everything I can see

1432
01:59:22,860 --> 01:59:28,760
goes against my Common Sense goes
against my judgment

1433
01:59:26,280 --> 01:59:28,760
uh

1434
01:59:28,980 --> 01:59:35,159
I'm not voting for it that's why I made
the motion

1435
01:59:33,300 --> 01:59:38,699
okay
um

1436
01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:44,699
I do want to say safety was brought up a
couple times tonight and uh the folks

1437
01:59:42,900 --> 01:59:50,239
encouraged us to come out and see the
the property I I have done that and I

1438
01:59:48,900 --> 01:59:54,599
can't I couldn't imagine
that number of cars on what is now a

1439
01:59:53,159 --> 02:00:00,780
driveway
as as you're coming from 158

1440
01:59:58,440 --> 02:00:04,560
yeah coming from 158 down Happy Hill you
kind of go over over a little hump so if

1441
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:09,179
you're sitting here in the new
subdivision trying to to pull out you

1442
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:15,000
know one minute you look to the left you
see nothing and then my goodness

1443
02:00:12,659 --> 02:00:19,560
it can change just like that and if
you've got that many people coming out

1444
02:00:17,639 --> 02:00:25,739
of that it's uh it's just not a great
spot for a subdivision I also believe in

1445
02:00:22,679 --> 02:00:31,679
property rights uh and then and I'll
certainly stand with the two adjacent

1446
02:00:28,440 --> 02:00:36,300
neighbors that uh that where there's a
utility easement on the uh public

1447
02:00:33,719 --> 02:00:39,420
document going into their property I
just don't know how I could know that

1448
02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:45,119
and vote for that
uh you know I've got some concerns about

1449
02:00:42,659 --> 02:00:50,639
the water I've I differ from Tim a
little bit I my concerns are there's I

1450
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:56,580
there's no
binding document and please don't be

1451
02:00:54,480 --> 02:01:01,199
insulted uh I know you have said that
and and but I think Jimmy made the point

1452
02:00:59,219 --> 02:01:05,400
what if the company is is sold or
whatever there's no binding document

1453
02:01:03,300 --> 02:01:09,900
between uh the township and the
developer

1454
02:01:06,420 --> 02:01:14,159
uh in this situation that would have
y'all do water there was no condition in

1455
02:01:11,520 --> 02:01:18,900
the zoning request uh and and that's a
really big deal uh given us you know the

1456
02:01:16,500 --> 02:01:23,940
the geographical challenges in that area
I do want to uh Tim mention the other

1457
02:01:21,500 --> 02:01:30,239
subdivision that uh the town sells water
to cold water uh when we were vetting

1458
02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:33,239
out that process in December of 2020 uh
the the gentleman who developed that

1459
02:01:32,040 --> 02:01:38,820
property
I mean point point blank told us that

1460
02:01:36,119 --> 02:01:44,880
Aqua who does community Wells was a
cheaper option than running Town water

1461
02:01:41,940 --> 02:01:48,239
lines into his development but he
thought the town Municipal Water would

1462
02:01:46,679 --> 02:01:53,699
be more of an assurance of water supply
and I don't dispute that but but if you

1463
02:01:51,060 --> 02:01:58,560
know we're getting you know if we're in
a situation where you know costs may be

1464
02:01:55,920 --> 02:02:02,159
cut and we know from a developer that
has said Aqua is a cheaper option and

1465
02:02:01,320 --> 02:02:07,199
there's
I get real concerned about tapping into

1466
02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:10,739
that the water table in that area but
but my biggest concerns are are going to

1467
02:02:09,300 --> 02:02:15,900
be with the two property owners and the
utilities and showing on their side

1468
02:02:13,619 --> 02:02:20,119
you know with respect to to the
petitioners I'm I'm not going to vote

1469
02:02:17,580 --> 02:02:20,119
for this either

1470
02:02:20,340 --> 02:02:28,560
I'd like to Echo what Mr Floyd said as
far as the two Property Owners on each

1471
02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:32,400
side in the easements for the utilities
I mean we can talk about how wide the

1472
02:02:30,540 --> 02:02:36,000
road would be but we don't know until we
lay the road out there and we lay the

1473
02:02:33,900 --> 02:02:40,139
utilities and how much you're going to
have to be off that road you know that

1474
02:02:37,679 --> 02:02:43,440
road bed to have your utility and and I
I just cannot imagine that you're not

1475
02:02:42,179 --> 02:02:47,040
going to be on top of both of those
properties and especially the one on the

1476
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:50,940
left driveway right there
um

1477
02:02:47,820 --> 02:02:54,420
the uh my other concern is more of a
going back to the spirit of the use of

1478
02:02:52,860 --> 02:02:58,560
the land is I sit here and just look and
I take out the um subdivision behind you

1479
02:02:57,179 --> 02:03:03,540
know what's already been approved and I
just look at that lot you know it just

1480
02:03:00,780 --> 02:03:08,400
does not to me does not fit the the land
out there so you've got you know you've

1481
02:03:05,580 --> 02:03:11,280
got a long house here a long house here
and right here in the middle you're

1482
02:03:09,540 --> 02:03:15,599
gonna have a bunch of little houses
right here kind of in your backyard you

1483
02:03:13,440 --> 02:03:20,159
know and if you look at it from a from
an aerial view which is I which I am you

1484
02:03:18,540 --> 02:03:24,420
know so like I said you're looking at
you know a lot lot and all of a sudden

1485
02:03:22,980 --> 02:03:28,800
this lot's gonna have
you know all this stuff only it just to

1486
02:03:26,639 --> 02:03:33,540
me it doesn't doesn't
um it's not consistent with what's out

1487
02:03:31,260 --> 02:03:36,599
there and and I know we can't control
what's what's going to be behind you

1488
02:03:35,280 --> 02:03:42,119
because that's out of our jurisdiction
but what we can control is

1489
02:03:39,300 --> 02:03:47,520
um what's in our jurisdiction so that's
that would be my comments

1490
02:03:45,119 --> 02:03:52,260
is there any other discussion Mr Mayor
one one thing I should say and kind of

1491
02:03:49,800 --> 02:03:55,440
echo what Mr Snyder said earlier
um this is a straight up resounding so

1492
02:03:54,119 --> 02:04:00,780
the question
uh and you've been presented several

1493
02:03:57,540 --> 02:04:05,699
plans that show six or seven Lots on
this ten acres but uh under if you

1494
02:04:04,199 --> 02:04:10,679
approve this resulting if they
reconfigured it they could put as many

1495
02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:17,520
Lots as they could forty thousand foot
Lots as they could as they wished

1496
02:04:14,060 --> 02:04:22,380
and the the proposed plan in front of
you is not binding on the developer they

1497
02:04:20,820 --> 02:04:25,619
will be allowed to configure that any
way they want to

1498
02:04:23,880 --> 02:04:28,940
so just to be clear it's not a
conditional use something

1499
02:04:30,179 --> 02:04:35,580
um
I'll tell you this is this is a this is

1500
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:38,820
tough all reasons are tough I mean I'm
going to tell you this

1501
02:04:36,780 --> 02:04:41,460
we've said on some it's this that's
tough I mean you know nobody wants

1502
02:04:40,260 --> 02:04:46,320
anybody to build their room I don't
blame them you know I wish we had to

1503
02:04:43,619 --> 02:04:50,580
build half hours we got here now
um this is a

1504
02:04:48,179 --> 02:04:54,480
this is a um just a different
circumstance though

1505
02:04:52,860 --> 02:04:58,440
um
you know agricultural land

1506
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:01,460
um
people want to get rid of it they want

1507
02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:06,119
to sell it
you know what are you going to do with

1508
02:05:04,080 --> 02:05:10,080
I mean is it you know we're sitting here
in houses on property that was built on

1509
02:05:08,460 --> 02:05:14,940
agricultural land
and then you know want other people to

1510
02:05:12,599 --> 02:05:19,320
leave our land alone
that's one thing so that's what would

1511
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:24,119
make it easy for me to vote for this if
all the other variables

1512
02:05:21,659 --> 02:05:28,560
now
yeah it only has one place to come in on

1513
02:05:26,340 --> 02:05:33,239
that property
and uh you know like I say I sit up in

1514
02:05:30,900 --> 02:05:36,060
the liquidate hill today and
um

1515
02:05:34,020 --> 02:05:42,360
once we rezone these
if we did it's out of our hands you know

1516
02:05:39,719 --> 02:05:46,920
we got to rely on what D.O.T does
uh I know they're they're experts but

1517
02:05:45,780 --> 02:05:52,980
um
it's out of our hands the uh

1518
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:58,139
how many houses are you know that end up
coming through that road is out of our

1519
02:05:54,780 --> 02:06:00,260
hands completely out of our hands
um

1520
02:06:01,619 --> 02:06:08,460
it's just it's a tough one to me I mean
you know and I know I mean I know these

1521
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:15,179
folks and and um
you know that part could be easy

1522
02:06:11,060 --> 02:06:18,300
you know people do have property rights
um

1523
02:06:16,139 --> 02:06:22,040
this may just be a different scenario so
by the time it gets to me I'll make my

1524
02:06:19,739 --> 02:06:22,040
decision

1525
02:06:23,760 --> 02:06:29,940
yes sir one other thing I should say if
the

1526
02:06:27,480 --> 02:06:34,520
across which decision the board makes if
the if the board approves this resulting

1527
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:41,340
it should make findings that this
application is consistent with the

1528
02:06:37,280 --> 02:06:46,920
environs and the uses uh and the of the
neighborhood if the board chooses to

1529
02:06:44,820 --> 02:06:51,360
uh denied they need to make findings
that this requested use is not

1530
02:06:49,020 --> 02:06:54,199
consistent with the environments and the
uses nearby

1531
02:06:57,619 --> 02:07:04,500
so are you saying that there's things
that we can't take in consideration

1532
02:07:01,739 --> 02:07:08,099
I'm just saying you need to
um the law says you have to base your

1533
02:07:06,659 --> 02:07:16,040
decision on
your is this particular requested use is

1534
02:07:12,780 --> 02:07:22,679
it consistent or inconsistent with
with other adjacent land uses and and is

1535
02:07:20,280 --> 02:07:27,780
it going to impact the quality of life
of others in the neighborhood and make

1536
02:07:24,599 --> 02:07:32,580
findings that are support a decision to
decline it or approve it

1537
02:07:30,179 --> 02:07:37,080
Mr Winfrey do you feel that I need to
add a consistency statement to my motion

1538
02:07:35,699 --> 02:07:41,460
is that what you're I think that would
recommend that yes

1539
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:44,880
man what folks need to understand from
what I've seen tonight and what I've

1540
02:07:43,020 --> 02:07:47,639
heard I don't know anything for a fact
because

1541
02:07:46,020 --> 02:07:52,139
I'm not I don't have anything to fly
candy but whether we

1542
02:07:49,920 --> 02:07:57,960
do this or not
the the part at the lake and over to Van

1543
02:07:55,260 --> 02:08:00,119
Horn roads you want to be none because I
mean from what they said and I don't

1544
02:07:59,340 --> 02:08:04,440
know
about the uh the right-of-way the 60

1545
02:08:03,000 --> 02:08:08,699
foot right away I mean like I say it
never actually came before our accounts

1546
02:08:06,780 --> 02:08:12,300
so
you know

1547
02:08:10,080 --> 02:08:15,960
this this won't this won't stop we don't
have anything to do with that so you

1548
02:08:14,340 --> 02:08:20,699
know
either way this goes don't you know

1549
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:22,880
don't think that we're
foreign

1550
02:08:24,980 --> 02:08:30,800
Property Owners everybody it's a tough
decision

1551
02:08:31,619 --> 02:08:34,880
is there any further discussion

1552
02:08:36,179 --> 02:08:42,320
we have a motion and a second yes do we
need a consistency statement um

1553
02:08:42,440 --> 02:08:51,060
an amendment to his motion well I think
Mr Winfrey is telling us that this

1554
02:08:48,119 --> 02:08:56,760
motion has to be modified with a
consistency statement of some sort uh

1555
02:08:54,420 --> 02:09:03,239
which which is tough our planning board
looked at this just as seven lots and uh

1556
02:09:00,360 --> 02:09:07,800
they may have been told they had 70 foot
at that bottleneck I can't ascertain

1557
02:09:05,699 --> 02:09:11,699
that and I haven't reviewed that
particular the electronic recordings for

1558
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:15,360
that particular meeting that may have
impacted their decision somewhat

1559
02:09:13,860 --> 02:09:19,260
uh
they have looked at it just from the

1560
02:09:17,219 --> 02:09:23,940
perspective of the the seven Lots it's
my contention we're supposed to look at

1561
02:09:22,199 --> 02:09:29,639
whether or not a particular development
is is consistent with a given area and

1562
02:09:27,659 --> 02:09:35,820
it's my contention that this area
because of the topography from the from

1563
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:42,540
the roads to the Rock to the to the the
layout to the to the bottleneck that I'm

1564
02:09:39,300 --> 02:09:48,719
looking at that as as inconsistent with
with good planning

1565
02:09:44,580 --> 02:09:54,360
uh and that that is my that's my
consistency statement that I realize

1566
02:09:51,179 --> 02:09:59,880
staff has recommended approval of this
but I just don't know if they're taking

1567
02:09:56,219 --> 02:10:04,560
into consideration all these factors uh
again like Mr Lander if I'm very

1568
02:10:02,460 --> 02:10:07,980
familiar with Happy Hill Road been up
down at I had lived there but I've been

1569
02:10:06,360 --> 02:10:14,400
down at all my life at one time or the
other frequently and uh have have worked

1570
02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:19,139
on farms over there so it's not I don't
have to go look I'm already familiar

1571
02:10:16,139 --> 02:10:24,060
with that area really and uh
I think that that is that is my issue

1572
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:28,020
this this area does not lend itself of
being consistent with the previous

1573
02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:31,080
developments we've approved is that
sufficient Mr Winfrey I think that's

1574
02:10:29,580 --> 02:10:34,920
right so you if you're amending your
motion to incorporate that and then that

1575
02:10:32,820 --> 02:10:39,980
need a new second for that and then
you'll be in business I'll keep my

1576
02:10:37,260 --> 02:10:39,980
second on the table

1577
02:10:41,520 --> 02:10:48,900
any further discussion
Mr Rigsby

1578
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:58,219
just to clarify your your motion is to
deny my motion is to deny Mr Rigby I'm I

1579
02:10:53,460 --> 02:10:58,219
Mr Foley I'm I Mr Landreth

1580
02:10:58,440 --> 02:11:07,860
I'm gonna Mr Jones hi I'll make it
unanimous

1581
02:11:04,380 --> 02:11:12,060
the rezoning has been denied
I I still would I still would like to

1582
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:15,840
talk more about the
they're still going to be able to do the

1583
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:18,719
subdivision and that's that that that's
fine they just need to be in a different

1584
02:11:17,520 --> 02:11:24,840
spot
but this uh internal Road connection

1585
02:11:22,380 --> 02:11:29,280
uh
I you know it doesn't make sense to me

1586
02:11:26,940 --> 02:11:33,239
that there's just there's now there's
one subdivision is now going to be two

1587
02:11:31,020 --> 02:11:38,880
subdivisions and there was an original
plan with one and if you look at

1588
02:11:36,599 --> 02:11:43,139
if you look at the uh conditions from
the approval of this

1589
02:11:41,219 --> 02:11:47,040
from Forsyth County the written
conditions

1590
02:11:44,340 --> 02:11:50,699
it does have at other requirements in
there that says should Stokesdale or

1591
02:11:49,020 --> 02:11:54,659
Guilford County declined to remove the
internal connection between Lakeside

1592
02:11:52,980 --> 02:11:59,040
Manor Drive and Benton Ridge Forest
Drive has proposed a public Street

1593
02:11:56,940 --> 02:12:02,520
connection will be required between bent
Ridge Forest Drive and the Guilford

1594
02:12:00,599 --> 02:12:05,520
County Line as shown in the previous
site plan

1595
02:12:03,900 --> 02:12:09,960
which
you know the previous site plan was just

1596
02:12:07,679 --> 02:12:14,699
one road and and I would like for
Stokesdale to have a voice you know in

1597
02:12:12,420 --> 02:12:19,860
that feature because you know
one it's our water line and I showed you

1598
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:24,480
my concerns with with traversing right
to the middle of of a lot

1599
02:12:22,139 --> 02:12:27,900
and all that so I mean you know with
that I'm gonna make a motion the town

1600
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:31,920
clerk Miss Dale Martin draft a
resolution and obtain mayor Crawford's

1601
02:12:30,300 --> 02:12:37,920
signature in reference to the Forsyth
County approved site plan F 1623 stating

1602
02:12:36,300 --> 02:12:42,840
that the town of stokesdale's governing
board respectfully respectfully objects

1603
02:12:40,619 --> 02:12:46,739
to Forsyth County's decision to remove
the internal Road connection between

1604
02:12:44,340 --> 02:12:52,079
Lakeside Manor Drive and bent Ridge
Forest Drive that was originally

1605
02:12:48,599 --> 02:12:56,400
approved in rezoning case f-1597.
into occlude and to include verbiage

1606
02:12:54,420 --> 02:13:00,480
that the resolution stating that we
request to add back an internal Road

1607
02:12:58,440 --> 02:13:05,520
connection aligns with the requirement
in the written conditions of zoning case

1608
02:13:02,840 --> 02:13:12,480
f-1623 pursuant to North Carolina
General statute 160 d703 and that the

1609
02:13:09,360 --> 02:13:16,380
developer has signed off to agree to
these conditions and this is where he is

1610
02:13:14,159 --> 02:13:20,040
signed off to do that and that removing
the internal connection resulted in

1611
02:13:18,179 --> 02:13:25,619
Stokesdale municipal water lines going
through three lots backyards and removes

1612
02:13:23,460 --> 02:13:28,460
the Practical connectivity desired in
new subdivisions

1613
02:13:31,860 --> 02:13:38,040
I'll suck at the motion
right that's it that's I just I don't

1614
02:13:36,599 --> 02:13:42,780
understand why there's
one larger side going to Van Hoy and one

1615
02:13:40,679 --> 02:13:45,619
smaller side going to Happy Hill is
there a new discussion

1616
02:13:46,380 --> 02:13:54,179
Mr Rigsby
aye Mr Floyd aye Mr Landreth

1617
02:13:50,900 --> 02:13:58,199
y'all stop me on the discussion
so

1618
02:13:55,560 --> 02:14:00,739
can we go back to discussion yeah sure
please sir

1619
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:07,699
foreign
you're wanting to

1620
02:14:08,460 --> 02:14:15,780
you're wanting them to reconsider
putting the uh the uh the road through

1621
02:14:12,960 --> 02:14:20,699
the development the
the long road that runs almost kind of

1622
02:14:17,820 --> 02:14:26,579
parallel to the lake at one time it was
one road that connected to almost van

1623
02:14:23,820 --> 02:14:32,940
Hoy through bent Ridge Forest
and then down Lakeside in front of the

1624
02:14:29,940 --> 02:14:37,079
Duke Energy property your concerns about
the water line yeah it is

1625
02:14:35,579 --> 02:14:42,239
going through
yards and my concern is about that

1626
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:48,599
there's almost 70 homes going through
bent Ridge Forest Drive that that with

1627
02:14:46,020 --> 02:14:53,219
one access point that seems it seems
excessive to me it certainly that's not

1628
02:14:52,199 --> 02:14:58,199
what
it seems excessive to me given our our

1629
02:14:55,739 --> 02:15:03,000
limit is 50 on an entrance well Oak
ridge's limits 52 and it's in their

1630
02:15:00,119 --> 02:15:07,020
extra territorial jurisdiction
and and actually their their ordinance

1631
02:15:05,219 --> 02:15:10,500
reads better than ours their ordinance
says no single entrance to a residential

1632
02:15:08,760 --> 02:15:13,860
subdivision Shall Serve more than 50
Lots

1633
02:15:11,579 --> 02:15:17,460
uh the single interest is defined as the
point where the local Street network of

1634
02:15:15,480 --> 02:15:21,540
a major subdivision or multiple
subdivisions intersects the road Network

1635
02:15:19,560 --> 02:15:24,960
outside the major subdivision or
multiple subdivision so what it's doing

1636
02:15:23,460 --> 02:15:30,679
is taking into account bent bridge
forest as well now I'd be concerned

1637
02:15:27,599 --> 02:15:30,679
about the water line but

1638
02:15:30,840 --> 02:15:36,320
I don't know you know
the uh

1639
02:15:36,780 --> 02:15:42,900
trying to tell Forsyth County what to do
well well I mean that's going to be put

1640
02:15:41,520 --> 02:15:45,780
and if we do that we're going to be
putting

1641
02:15:44,040 --> 02:15:49,320
I mean I know exactly where you're
coming from on a water line because I'm

1642
02:15:47,699 --> 02:15:55,320
not for running water lines out through
fields

1643
02:15:51,540 --> 02:15:59,880
but now you're going to put on
60 or 70 how whatever the number is

1644
02:15:57,719 --> 02:16:03,360
coming back over to Happy Hill Road
which they may come out and go that way

1645
02:16:01,500 --> 02:16:06,480
anyway but
um

1646
02:16:04,619 --> 02:16:09,719
it's gonna put all it would put them too
I could put them all

1647
02:16:08,040 --> 02:16:13,980
I don't know if this is a place to see
it or not but I'm for all stop on this

1648
02:16:11,820 --> 02:16:18,360
until the town of Stokesdale has a
proper administrative procedures in

1649
02:16:15,960 --> 02:16:24,000
place to deal with having our water
system extended over into Forsyth County

1650
02:16:21,960 --> 02:16:27,719
where I'm at
I I don't have an issue with the water

1651
02:16:25,860 --> 02:16:33,059
system into Forsyth County it's more of
how the lines well water mains are well

1652
02:16:30,599 --> 02:16:37,139
Mr Mr Floyd why would we treat our water
system any differently in Forsyth County

1653
02:16:34,979 --> 02:16:41,280
than we do any other subdivision in in
Stokesdale

1654
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:47,820
we have a process in place where we
charge a fee we have our engineer review

1655
02:16:43,620 --> 02:16:52,380
the plan if we approve that plan then
when the this water infrastructure is

1656
02:16:50,219 --> 02:16:57,599
installed we have it inspected by our
engineer or technical people correct and

1657
02:16:55,200 --> 02:17:01,859
uh this is a you know a very serious
issue because once we take it over the

1658
02:17:00,540 --> 02:17:05,280
town of Stokesdale the town of
Stokesdale citizens have to pay for the

1659
02:17:03,599 --> 02:17:12,240
maintenance on that from now to the end
of time that's correct and so uh we we

1660
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:19,280
we are not ready to do this in my
judgment again we have no communication

1661
02:17:15,120 --> 02:17:19,280
with Forsyth County over these details

1662
02:17:22,080 --> 02:17:27,359
yeah I mean that's a good point I can't
dispute

1663
02:17:24,840 --> 02:17:31,439
you know one of these details you can
say why don't we get some of these loose

1664
02:17:29,700 --> 02:17:35,160
ends tied up and then I mean I see where
you I see where you're coming from I

1665
02:17:32,760 --> 02:17:39,420
don't think
no

1666
02:17:36,479 --> 02:17:44,340
this this motion I mean I I think the
Forsyth County planning board

1667
02:17:42,420 --> 02:17:47,280
because they added this requirement in
there they must have been thinking

1668
02:17:45,780 --> 02:17:51,479
something that Stokesdale would be
concerned about removing this

1669
02:17:49,800 --> 02:17:57,059
connectivity within the neighborhood
whether it was traffic concerns or water

1670
02:17:54,179 --> 02:18:01,920
line concerns I don't know my vote is
not going down on this unless we have

1671
02:17:59,519 --> 02:18:07,380
some reasonable control over this
installation just like we do every other

1672
02:18:04,460 --> 02:18:10,500
installation of the subdivision if our
water if I if we're going to be

1673
02:18:09,000 --> 02:18:15,719
responsible for that for all that
plumbing and Forsyth County this is nuts

1674
02:18:13,639 --> 02:18:20,240
unless we
get on top of this and have a plan in

1675
02:18:18,059 --> 02:18:20,240
place

1676
02:18:21,120 --> 02:18:28,399
I don't see any other way we can do it
okay what are your thoughts about my

1677
02:18:26,700 --> 02:18:34,139
motion
I'm perfectly okay with your emotion it

1678
02:18:31,559 --> 02:18:40,320
is a motion for to address one
particular aspect of this

1679
02:18:37,380 --> 02:18:47,059
total problem two particular aspects
well you've got to access issue

1680
02:18:43,859 --> 02:18:47,059
yeah I I

1681
02:18:48,780 --> 02:18:54,780
there may be those that argue that I
just as a council member in this case I

1682
02:18:52,920 --> 02:18:58,979
just have to look at it as seven Lots
off a Happy Hill Road but since it's got

1683
02:18:57,000 --> 02:19:03,300
all this through traffic got our our
water mains involved over into Forsyth

1684
02:19:01,080 --> 02:19:07,139
County the uh
you know who knows how exactly how many

1685
02:19:05,580 --> 02:19:10,859
houses will be built there you know
there could be changes that could come

1686
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:14,880
up here as it's been pointed out that we
we have we will have no input over

1687
02:19:13,380 --> 02:19:19,320
they're not going to come back to us and
say hey what do you think about this

1688
02:19:16,740 --> 02:19:24,000
and so we just need to be consistent
about what we're doing and and we

1689
02:19:21,899 --> 02:19:28,800
currently review plans we currently do
inspections we're

1690
02:19:26,160 --> 02:19:33,780
we run a water system uh we we have to
address that too because we are our

1691
02:19:31,740 --> 02:19:38,399
management for our water system has this
come to us yet

1692
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:45,679
I mean the part where the planning board
Forsyth County what they're asking no

1693
02:19:41,160 --> 02:19:50,220
this is just to come to us yet has it
it won't

1694
02:19:47,479 --> 02:19:56,160
come to us
it won't come to us it you know there's

1695
02:19:54,060 --> 02:20:00,840
documents out there and if if we weren't
aware of this document you know it just

1696
02:19:58,740 --> 02:20:04,800
nobody would have ever known is my guess
I don't think we would have been

1697
02:20:02,760 --> 02:20:09,420
nobody from Forsyth County gave us a
heads up like hey guys look this is

1698
02:20:06,479 --> 02:20:13,680
happening uh just a heads up your your
municipality your town was called you

1699
02:20:12,000 --> 02:20:18,120
know in one of the requirements of a
rezoning here because this does affect

1700
02:20:15,780 --> 02:20:22,500
you we didn't get any kind of warning
like that

1701
02:20:19,140 --> 02:20:26,160
or a heads up and but it is out there
why would they put it in there I mean I

1702
02:20:24,479 --> 02:20:31,020
don't know I don't quite understand why
I don't know I wasn't there but I'm sure

1703
02:20:28,979 --> 02:20:37,200
the discussion was had that night
you know of maybe why why because they

1704
02:20:34,500 --> 02:20:42,060
got had one an original plan approved
and then a year and a half later they

1705
02:20:40,020 --> 02:20:48,960
had another plan approved and I'm sure
there was reasons to to doing another

1706
02:20:44,160 --> 02:20:52,399
plan right uh but I I the second plan
I I don't think it's

1707
02:20:52,500 --> 02:20:57,960
I mean my concerns about the water
system my concerns about the

1708
02:20:55,500 --> 02:21:02,640
connectivity uh and the traffic on Van
Hoy Road really

1709
02:21:00,420 --> 02:21:07,560
you know I'm okay with looking at
selling water over into Forsyth County

1710
02:21:04,560 --> 02:21:10,800
provided that we cover all our bases we
we look out after the town of Stokesdale

1711
02:21:09,479 --> 02:21:14,939
and the town of stokesdale's water
system and and I think I'm not just out

1712
02:21:13,380 --> 02:21:19,620
and outright saying no we should never
sell water outside of our jurisdiction

1713
02:21:16,920 --> 02:21:25,620
but it obviously is a different thing
from selling water in Stokesdale

1714
02:21:22,500 --> 02:21:30,420
I think what we've already said that we
do that but uh

1715
02:21:28,319 --> 02:21:33,420
is to do with the water system I think
we've got to write I don't know that

1716
02:21:31,740 --> 02:21:36,140
we've got a right to
uh

1717
02:21:36,780 --> 02:21:44,640
step in on you know what they do with
the roads

1718
02:21:41,100 --> 02:21:50,700
I mean this is a requirement from
Forsyth County that was signed off and

1719
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:54,720
agreed to by by the company right I I
disagree I think we have every right to

1720
02:21:53,040 --> 02:21:58,260
to look at how that water mains
installed whether it goes down the side

1721
02:21:56,340 --> 02:22:02,760
of a road a sidewalk or cross country
across the creek uh that that needs to

1722
02:22:01,439 --> 02:22:06,420
come to us
for unless Forsyth county is going to

1723
02:22:04,920 --> 02:22:11,120
agree to maintain it if they're going to
agree to maintain it then you know I'm

1724
02:22:08,280 --> 02:22:11,120
good well

1725
02:22:11,460 --> 02:22:16,979
I have no problem selling them water you
brought up some good technical details

1726
02:22:15,780 --> 02:22:21,120
that need to be addressed and probably
should have been addressed a year and a

1727
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:23,760
half ago so I don't I don't dispute that
but

1728
02:22:22,200 --> 02:22:29,000
you know
we got blindsided on that deal to start

1729
02:22:25,859 --> 02:22:33,660
with so yeah yeah anyway
you know

1730
02:22:31,020 --> 02:22:37,140
I'm afraid I have to admit I turn make
wrong turns sometimes and find myself

1731
02:22:35,340 --> 02:22:40,080
going down the wrong road and just have
to stop and turn around and I think we

1732
02:22:38,819 --> 02:22:45,740
need to stop them
be sure we are on the right track with

1733
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:45,740
with these details

1734
02:22:46,680 --> 02:22:50,000
I don't dispute that at all

1735
02:22:50,819 --> 02:22:58,620
restage motion we'll vote we've restated
I can

1736
02:22:55,979 --> 02:23:02,520
I'm glad I wrote it down I make a motion
that town clerk Miss Del Martin draft a

1737
02:23:00,660 --> 02:23:08,220
resolution and obtained mayor Crawford's
signature in reference to the Forsyth

1738
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:12,000
County approved site plan F 1623 stating
that the town of stokesdale's governing

1739
02:23:09,960 --> 02:23:15,960
board respect respectfully objects to
Forsyth County's decision to remove the

1740
02:23:14,580 --> 02:23:20,600
internal Road connection between
Lakeside Manor Drive and bent Ridge

1741
02:23:18,359 --> 02:23:25,859
Forest Drive that was originally
approved in the original rezoning case

1742
02:23:23,819 --> 02:23:30,240
f-1597.
and to include verbiage in the

1743
02:23:27,720 --> 02:23:34,260
resolution stating that the request to
add back an internal Road connection

1744
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:39,120
aligns with the requirement and the
written conditions of zoning case

1745
02:23:36,380 --> 02:23:46,200
f-1623 pursuant to North Carolina
General statute 160d 703 and that the

1746
02:23:43,920 --> 02:23:50,100
developer has signed signed off to agree
to these conditions and that removing

1747
02:23:48,240 --> 02:23:54,720
the internal connection resulted in
Stokesdale municipal water lines going

1748
02:23:51,899 --> 02:23:59,220
through three lots backyards and removes
the Practical connectivity desired in

1749
02:23:56,760 --> 02:24:02,240
new subdivisions
and I second

1750
02:24:07,560 --> 02:24:12,979
Jim has voted I Derek's voted I
Jimmy

1751
02:24:14,460 --> 02:24:16,520
um

1752
02:24:20,700 --> 02:24:27,300
the only the only thing I kind of
disagree with on that is the

1753
02:24:25,560 --> 02:24:30,380
making it really connect all the way
through there for all those houses

1754
02:24:30,899 --> 02:24:37,680
so therefore where I'm going to vote no
the water park's right and that that may

1755
02:24:35,160 --> 02:24:42,060
be too I may be off base but I'm gonna
vote no

1756
02:24:39,720 --> 02:24:47,819
Mr Jones I'm all right
I'm also I

1757
02:24:44,460 --> 02:24:51,120
did all right can we take a break
yeah

1758
02:24:49,620 --> 02:24:54,979
we're gonna take a break
10 minute recess 10 minute recess

1759
02:25:01,700 --> 02:25:05,600
why does it feel like it's best

1760
02:25:23,720 --> 02:25:31,040
so January February
okay very good times in September it's

1761
02:25:28,260 --> 02:25:35,640
I've got the whole month so far yeah
yeah both of those born in January and

1762
02:25:33,780 --> 02:25:39,479
I'm in September too so oh really yes
both your dogs yes

1763
02:25:44,780 --> 02:25:51,020
thank you for your help
get you a young man

1764
02:25:51,319 --> 02:25:55,100
27 and 25.

1765
02:25:56,399 --> 02:26:02,720
um
they're allegedly they're adults

1766
02:26:06,420 --> 02:26:10,640
I definitely am physically but um

1767
02:26:10,700 --> 02:26:16,680
but yeah yeah it's probably got several
things we need to talk about when I get

1768
02:26:15,600 --> 02:26:21,180
a chance
appreciate you coming out you know some

1769
02:26:18,720 --> 02:26:26,840
people just think it would be off
the office unfortunately because it's

1770
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:26,840
been such a good time

1771
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:43,520
you live

1772
02:26:44,340 --> 02:26:47,060
a little bit

1773
02:26:47,340 --> 02:26:51,740
yeah
that's the

1774
02:26:52,560 --> 02:26:54,560
difference

1775
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:22,399
either so there's
a that's a good idea

1776
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:28,340
sir thank you for coming out

1777
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:34,880
from the farm

1778
02:27:41,700 --> 02:27:46,920
Forest Farm economical spill something

1779
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:50,060
the national

1780
02:27:50,520 --> 02:27:52,760
animal

1781
02:27:53,720 --> 02:28:05,000
every jurisdiction is a little bit
different our our ordinance is 50. why

1782
02:27:59,280 --> 02:28:05,000
it's not 45 versus 55. well now

1783
02:28:11,160 --> 02:28:13,399
in Nashville

1784
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:16,640
Tennessee

1785
02:28:17,300 --> 02:28:28,620
you've been in a room but you've hurt me
I don't like what I'm seeing here it's

1786
02:28:23,040 --> 02:28:28,620
just this multi-jurisdiction here

1787
02:28:41,120 --> 02:28:46,439
Forsyth County
Oklahoma

1788
02:29:02,340 --> 02:29:07,880
wasn't on the board paid that vote cold
water

1789
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:13,700
and I would have raised

1790
02:29:16,800 --> 02:29:20,300
and so instead of us

1791
02:29:20,899 --> 02:29:28,819
and I don't think I was at all those
meetings but doing the best I know how

1792
02:29:26,280 --> 02:29:28,819
appreciate it

1793
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:42,979
good morning

1794
02:30:01,260 --> 02:30:03,800
okay

1795
02:30:08,460 --> 02:30:12,140
really
yeah

1796
02:30:46,680 --> 02:30:49,220
okay

1797
02:31:18,180 --> 02:31:20,479
foreign

1798
02:31:49,260 --> 02:31:52,260
is

1799
02:31:55,700 --> 02:31:59,479
our 13 years

1800
02:32:21,300 --> 02:32:23,660
foreign

1801
02:33:02,240 --> 02:33:05,300
all right

1802
02:33:23,880 --> 02:33:26,120
foreign

1803
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:07,760
because it's a lot

1804
02:34:30,720 --> 02:34:33,560
thanks for coming

1805
02:34:33,660 --> 02:34:37,460
please please feel free

1806
02:34:50,640 --> 02:34:55,819
Mr Mayor do I have all these you have
all that I had

1807
02:34:56,520 --> 02:35:02,840
you know are they all going to leave now
it looks like except for the diehards

1808
02:35:03,060 --> 02:35:08,120
did Mark just shut up
oh he's been here

1809
02:35:41,780 --> 02:35:49,220
we're almost done
almost done well number nine of 20.

1810
02:35:57,180 --> 02:36:03,680
we're almost to the old business
and then we just got a new businesses

1811
02:36:06,960 --> 02:36:11,720
oh we're running the heat on one side of
the building there's a thermostat

1812
02:36:13,620 --> 02:36:17,000
yeah we got to pay this bill

1813
02:36:22,200 --> 02:36:30,060
told Tim I'd open up a butcher shop
I believe we believe we could butcher

1814
02:36:27,840 --> 02:36:35,460
some homes we used to keep it turned off
in this room between meetings

1815
02:36:32,899 --> 02:36:38,700
and that was back though we had a little
more control over the budget I finally

1816
02:36:37,020 --> 02:36:41,240
had to give that up because of all that
cleaning

1817
02:36:41,399 --> 02:36:46,260
well these women have power surges okay

1818
02:36:48,540 --> 02:36:55,500
to come over here and turn it on the day
before the meeting oh that's even better

1819
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:59,060
take a whole day to cool it down
no but I had to run pretty hard

1820
02:36:59,220 --> 02:37:01,939
there's two years

1821
02:37:05,880 --> 02:37:12,120
I got a guy that believed that he does
uh these lights work for me so I'm going

1822
02:37:10,260 --> 02:37:16,040
to call him he's got to come outside
he's got to come out and go out to the

1823
02:37:13,620 --> 02:37:16,040
lake for me

1824
02:37:16,700 --> 02:37:23,819
well he's well he's by here just stop in
and I'll text you remind me I'll text

1825
02:37:22,200 --> 02:37:27,240
you a picture of the name plate already
refrigerator I already did you already

1826
02:37:25,380 --> 02:37:30,840
got it I already did it you got it right
cheer

1827
02:37:28,979 --> 02:37:34,979
I got to go to the lake get the one off
of the one at the lake I just I don't

1828
02:37:33,479 --> 02:37:39,780
know about the new stuff man it's
getting all thin but it's a GE it all it

1829
02:37:37,859 --> 02:37:44,399
ought to be repairable and the way
Dale's describing it the upper half is

1830
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:46,880
not cooling and the lower half is
freezing

1831
02:37:52,500 --> 02:38:00,359
what do we do we set a 450 limit on it I
think that's what I said yeah don't tell

1832
02:37:58,560 --> 02:38:05,120
him that no no no no I'm just going to
ask him

1833
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:05,120
be sure

1834
02:38:05,899 --> 02:38:13,020
I'll jump over there
[Music]

1835
02:38:10,080 --> 02:38:16,859
actually the house he's in there was no
discussion about my daughter buying it

1836
02:38:14,700 --> 02:38:20,460
but okay or I don't know what the rights
would have been I guess he would have to

1837
02:38:18,180 --> 02:38:24,600
refuse it or whatever but I know we
talked a little bit about it

1838
02:38:22,620 --> 02:38:29,819
but Jim I've got a guy that I use for my
Appliance work he's really good I got to

1839
02:38:27,420 --> 02:38:34,319
send him out to the lake for the park
model we got out there

1840
02:38:32,280 --> 02:38:39,180
I've got a picture of the plate I'm
gonna ask him if he'll just stop by here

1841
02:38:35,819 --> 02:38:43,380
and give us an idea yeah I mean I
I mean my honest opinion is I mean if he

1842
02:38:41,640 --> 02:38:51,359
can look at it and say yes this and we
can do it for this but I just

1843
02:38:46,620 --> 02:38:57,120
I think's 13 years old or so
that's made in China too so Technologies

1844
02:38:54,720 --> 02:39:01,939
technology well if you come by and take
a look at it

1845
02:38:58,740 --> 02:39:01,939
he's got to come this way anyway

1846
02:39:05,580 --> 02:39:11,160
are you already shopping for one no I'm
not sure I'll bring anything I was going

1847
02:39:09,180 --> 02:39:14,399
to let the staff look at it use the
credit card if they can have it

1848
02:39:12,479 --> 02:39:18,060
delivered and everyone hauled off he
needs us getting involved in that stuff

1849
02:39:16,020 --> 02:39:23,640
it's five refrigerator let's move along
with it okay let me have my guy look at

1850
02:39:20,939 --> 02:39:27,479
it first I don't think we should Nick on
diamond I mean let's not get it we don't

1851
02:39:25,260 --> 02:39:31,560
need anything elaborative but you know
we don't need to get a short white one

1852
02:39:29,819 --> 02:39:35,100
that doesn't have a let's get an ice
maker if we need an ice maker because we

1853
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:39,780
don't know because oh here's my dilemma
is that's ice makers on refrigerators

1854
02:39:38,040 --> 02:39:44,580
are not that expensive but that ice
maker in there yeah is yeah that thing

1855
02:39:43,140 --> 02:39:51,800
goes out when you decide not to replace
it you still got an ice mate right the

1856
02:39:47,880 --> 02:39:51,800
chair I just don't cheat oh yeah

1857
02:39:53,819 --> 02:39:56,120
foreign

1858
02:39:57,359 --> 02:40:00,680
we are back in session

1859
02:40:01,920 --> 02:40:11,000
old business adoption of internal
controls and separation of Duty's policy

1860
02:40:06,660 --> 02:40:11,000
this has continued from January 12th

1861
02:40:13,560 --> 02:40:20,760
since I wasn't at the 12th meeting I'll
let somebody take the lead

1862
02:40:18,120 --> 02:40:26,359
I believe this is yours Mr Jones
it's always money

1863
02:40:23,220 --> 02:40:26,359
Miss Martin

1864
02:40:26,399 --> 02:40:35,399
we have had quite a bit of back and
forth about this document

1865
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:40,620
correct if if this Council votes on this
document would you be willing to provide

1866
02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:45,899
me with certified copies of it as soon
as I can get it done tomorrow absolutely

1867
02:40:43,399 --> 02:40:51,300
that's why it's on the agenda to clear
up any confusion as to what you all have

1868
02:40:48,180 --> 02:40:57,359
have approved and you have personally
gone through it word by word period by

1869
02:40:54,359 --> 02:41:03,600
period And yes Soraya made those typo
Corrections and

1870
02:40:59,460 --> 02:41:08,520
the best of my grammatical uh expertise
I have gone through it multiple times in

1871
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:13,859
so far as substance there's been no
change that's correct that's your that's

1872
02:41:11,880 --> 02:41:18,600
your responsibility you mostly removed
the strikethroughs that were in there

1873
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:24,060
okay well that's it I'll make a motion
that we

1874
02:41:21,180 --> 02:41:29,720
approve a revised
internal controls and separation of

1875
02:41:26,040 --> 02:41:36,840
Duties policy originally adopted July 24
2014 this

1876
02:41:32,819 --> 02:41:42,780
document will be marked revised February
this the 9th 2023

1877
02:41:40,200 --> 02:41:48,060
so it'll be effective after we vote
Tim can I make a friendly amendment that

1878
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:53,580
there was a revision on
August 13th of 2020

1879
02:41:51,780 --> 02:42:00,720
I would like that in the motion I I
submit that the original policy must

1880
02:41:56,700 --> 02:42:08,220
have been approved on the in 2014 but
but I vividly remember making a revision

1881
02:42:02,760 --> 02:42:12,720
in August of 2020. August 13 2020
yes sir

1882
02:42:10,439 --> 02:42:17,280
okay let me back up
um

1883
02:42:14,580 --> 02:42:20,460
I'm making a motion to it to approve the
internal controls and separation of

1884
02:42:18,840 --> 02:42:26,460
Duties policy
that

1885
02:42:22,439 --> 02:42:32,280
is currently marked adopted July 24 2014
beneath that it's marked adopted

1886
02:42:28,560 --> 02:42:36,300
February the 9th 2023
and then

1887
02:42:33,899 --> 02:42:41,580
somewhere on this document we want to
take into account that revisions were

1888
02:42:38,460 --> 02:42:45,359
made on August the 13th 2020 is that
where you're asking for Mr Ford the

1889
02:42:43,260 --> 02:42:50,840
clerk it's currently in the bottom in
the footnotes 8 30. okay it certainly is

1890
02:42:48,600 --> 02:42:56,280
it's already here thank you Miss Martin
is yes sir and that and I would like to

1891
02:42:54,540 --> 02:43:00,780
still second that motion so we're good
to go we are let's vote is there any

1892
02:42:58,800 --> 02:43:02,899
discussion hold on Jimmy had something I
think

1893
02:43:14,960 --> 02:43:21,540
tell us we need to
um

1894
02:43:17,880 --> 02:43:25,979
we need to raise up on
on the property committee

1895
02:43:23,939 --> 02:43:31,200
we come across things
where we have to have somebody come out

1896
02:43:28,800 --> 02:43:36,180
and and take a look
and uh

1897
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:41,640
we need to raise up this uh
this 250.

1898
02:43:38,580 --> 02:43:45,780
uh to where it could uh if the scenario
comes up

1899
02:43:43,859 --> 02:43:49,740
that we've got something that can be
repaired that you know might be a little

1900
02:43:48,060 --> 02:43:54,000
bit more money
um that's in the that's in the

1901
02:43:51,240 --> 02:43:56,760
separation of duties Jimmy I would I
would say that on page five of the

1902
02:43:55,560 --> 02:44:00,600
policy
if you've looked a little more than

1903
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:04,620
halfway down the page
IT addresses emergency repairs and

1904
02:44:02,700 --> 02:44:08,819
purchases well I know it does
emergencies but some of these things are

1905
02:44:07,319 --> 02:44:13,200
not really emergencies I mean you could
you could wait a month but you're going

1906
02:44:10,859 --> 02:44:16,560
to have somebody come out
um

1907
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:21,060
I'm not talking about buying TVs and
things like that I'm talking about the

1908
02:44:19,380 --> 02:44:27,180
repair that needs to be made that you
get into the process of doing instead of

1909
02:44:25,220 --> 02:44:31,500
so you can get it finished you know
you're gonna get it repaired an example

1910
02:44:29,280 --> 02:44:36,000
would probably be the refrigerator that
we just discussed earlier in the policy

1911
02:44:34,260 --> 02:44:40,680
it said examples for emergency repairs
include Plumbing work electric work HVAC

1912
02:44:38,100 --> 02:44:46,680
work etc if one of these items is not
operable and in need of immediate repair

1913
02:44:43,620 --> 02:44:49,640
Tim set the limit on that at four I know
the emergency repairs off

1914
02:45:00,120 --> 02:45:08,580
all right
all right well I mean

1915
02:45:05,720 --> 02:45:12,600
that's fine I mean okay I mean you know
we'll come up with some of this stuff

1916
02:45:09,720 --> 02:45:16,439
maybe on uh I like the plumbing repair I
mean uh yeah and the septic I mean all

1917
02:45:14,939 --> 02:45:23,220
that could have been done with you know
part of the policy without you know

1918
02:45:19,200 --> 02:45:26,520
yeah you know that you call it a well
emergency that's fine we'll leave it

1919
02:45:25,560 --> 02:45:31,640
like it is
and if we have any if we have any issue

1920
02:45:28,620 --> 02:45:31,640
then we can go back to it

1921
02:45:32,399 --> 02:45:40,439
okay
you don't want to raise it

1922
02:45:37,700 --> 02:45:44,520
we have a motion do we have a second no
I didn't have a motion oh you're talking

1923
02:45:42,420 --> 02:45:48,439
about Tim had a motion yeah go ahead go
ahead sorry

1924
02:45:45,600 --> 02:45:48,439
do we have a second

1925
02:45:49,680 --> 02:45:57,300
Mr 42nd did it okay
any further discussion

1926
02:45:55,020 --> 02:46:04,580
Jim uh
Derek hi Jimmy hi

1927
02:46:00,120 --> 02:46:04,580
Tim hi and I'm also I

1928
02:46:05,040 --> 02:46:11,939
discussion of town
of Stokesdale I.T contract continued

1929
02:46:10,200 --> 02:46:17,160
from January 12th
yes sir something that's yours that's

1930
02:46:14,220 --> 02:46:20,640
mine that's fine yeah so in your package
you have

1931
02:46:18,300 --> 02:46:25,200
um three quotes two of them are from a
company called geek it

1932
02:46:22,979 --> 02:46:28,979
one one at the top is highlighted it
says managed it better and no one says

1933
02:46:27,600 --> 02:46:31,979
good
um

1934
02:46:29,640 --> 02:46:35,580
and then there should be one from TCS as
well that just came in

1935
02:46:34,859 --> 02:46:40,020
um
so I'm almost give you the short on this

1936
02:46:37,859 --> 02:46:44,460
the biggest concern coming out of the
last meeting was from staff that they

1937
02:46:42,180 --> 02:46:50,220
didn't feel like they could um pick the
phone up and call call TCS if they had

1938
02:46:47,160 --> 02:46:53,720
an issue for that incurring you know a
125 an hour bill

1939
02:46:53,939 --> 02:46:59,880
you need something Mr Jones before I go
into the first no I'm just actively

1940
02:46:57,720 --> 02:47:03,120
listening okay I thought you needed so I
just want to stop make sure you get

1941
02:47:00,899 --> 02:47:05,939
caught up there no no so the mayor keeps
leaning forward and then so I have to

1942
02:47:04,740 --> 02:47:10,200
lean forward
so that was the um you know um I don't

1943
02:47:08,819 --> 02:47:12,780
think there's any
um

1944
02:47:11,100 --> 02:47:17,340
there's not many any issues with the
backup and all the virus and all that

1945
02:47:14,700 --> 02:47:21,840
stuff um that TCS has been providing the
biggest concern was the staff couldn't

1946
02:47:19,620 --> 02:47:25,740
kick pick the phone up if a printer went
offline or something you know day to day

1947
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:30,899
that happens and it was in costing the
town 125 at a time they picked the phone

1948
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:36,240
up so um what I did was after the last
meeting I had a company this company

1949
02:47:33,120 --> 02:47:42,380
called it geek box I.T reach out to me
based on the um Northwest Observer so

1950
02:47:39,840 --> 02:47:48,180
somebody's reading it Patty
yeah one one person I got one person

1951
02:47:44,880 --> 02:47:51,000
down for you okay I've done that and I
told the guy I hadn't read that

1952
02:47:49,260 --> 02:47:58,620
personally so
so I can't comment on that but uh so uh

1953
02:47:56,340 --> 02:48:02,880
um so he he provided us a quote now I
gave him the same you know same issues

1954
02:48:00,960 --> 02:48:06,920
that we wanted to look toward more of a
managed

1955
02:48:04,200 --> 02:48:13,319
um support system for one fee per month
so in short your two i t your two geek

1956
02:48:10,740 --> 02:48:21,080
box I.T quotes one's for good and once
for better the better is 667.19

1957
02:48:17,640 --> 02:48:25,380
but and that includes the three main
staff members that are here every day

1958
02:48:23,340 --> 02:48:30,300
they're they're machines if something
goes wrong they can they can pick the

1959
02:48:27,180 --> 02:48:37,520
phone up and call and and have support
without incurring any additional cost

1960
02:48:33,899 --> 02:48:42,180
um I um the other quote for geekbox it
is a little cheaper it's 427 but that

1961
02:48:40,620 --> 02:48:48,060
kind of gives us the same thing what we
had before so it'll be like 75 an hour

1962
02:48:45,660 --> 02:48:51,300
every time we called
um

1963
02:48:48,979 --> 02:48:56,220
So based on the the staff's
recommendation I kind of compared the um

1964
02:48:54,000 --> 02:49:04,200
geekbox the better quote which is the
the 667 to the TCS quote which is

1965
02:49:00,859 --> 02:49:07,620
677.84 so monetarily there's not a lot
of difference in the two

1966
02:49:05,880 --> 02:49:12,899
um both of them provide a backup
solution

1967
02:49:09,359 --> 02:49:19,319
um storage offside in the cloud and and
just like geekbox it TTS provided us a

1968
02:49:17,160 --> 02:49:23,939
package that will be
um that will and I'll read it it says

1969
02:49:21,300 --> 02:49:30,540
full managed per full-time employee for
three employees fully managed support

1970
02:49:27,439 --> 02:49:33,600
so that's remote only that means if they
if they have to come out both and this

1971
02:49:32,280 --> 02:49:38,280
goes for both companies if they have to
come out then they're going to charge us

1972
02:49:35,520 --> 02:49:43,200
you know the normal fees but if they can
handle it off-site remotely then there

1973
02:49:40,740 --> 02:49:48,720
will not be any any additional cost to
the town okay um

1974
02:49:45,300 --> 02:49:52,740
so I think I think based on
you know everything that we we've talked

1975
02:49:50,819 --> 02:49:57,899
about I think the best option would be
to go with one of these two packages

1976
02:49:55,560 --> 02:50:02,760
um I'll leave that up to council as far
as the which uh the security and

1977
02:50:00,600 --> 02:50:05,399
maintenance and stuff is better that's
probably not for me to say because I

1978
02:50:04,140 --> 02:50:10,979
can't get into that the weeds of the
eyes but um so I you know I think both

1979
02:50:08,760 --> 02:50:15,600
of them are probably sufficient enough
to provide us security and back up

1980
02:50:14,100 --> 02:50:19,979
um and both of them are going to be
providing us some support for our three

1981
02:50:17,340 --> 02:50:23,939
employees without an additional cost
so it's just

1982
02:50:22,560 --> 02:50:28,500
um at this point we just need to make a
decision which if we want to stick with

1983
02:50:25,920 --> 02:50:33,300
TCS which is already in place or do we
want to go to a new company

1984
02:50:31,979 --> 02:50:39,240
um all together
and like I said Same Same services to

1985
02:50:36,899 --> 02:50:42,180
the difference in the cost is about 11 a
month

1986
02:50:40,439 --> 02:50:48,300
difference
um are you are you proposing the 667

1987
02:50:46,020 --> 02:50:51,540
quote I'm not proposing I'm just putting
it out there for discussion if anybody

1988
02:50:49,800 --> 02:50:56,160
has an opinion
um that's our two options

1989
02:50:53,640 --> 02:51:01,080
um you know we can stay where we're at
which which means basically No

1990
02:50:59,160 --> 02:51:07,260
Interruption in service at all and we
continue moving forward or we can go to

1991
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:10,920
dig deep box which that means TCS is
going to have to pull all their stuff

1992
02:51:08,160 --> 02:51:13,620
off switch over to another server and so
it's going to be a little bit of a

1993
02:51:11,880 --> 02:51:18,180
transitional period
um I'm not personally I'm not sure that

1994
02:51:15,420 --> 02:51:20,720
that's worth 11 a month for me to have
to go through all that trouble in town

1995
02:51:19,560 --> 02:51:25,560
staff time
but I'll open it to y'all is Staff

1996
02:51:23,819 --> 02:51:29,540
unhappy currently with the service we're
getting

1997
02:51:27,200 --> 02:51:34,920
oh I'm sorry that's okay
no no we're satisfied with TCS the issue

1998
02:51:32,580 --> 02:51:39,660
that we run into with TCS is with our
current contract anytime we call them

1999
02:51:37,080 --> 02:51:44,280
with issues it's an added cost uh the
good thing about the the new contract

2000
02:51:41,460 --> 02:51:48,960
that Mr Rigsby has proposed is that it's
unlimited uh Service as long as they

2001
02:51:46,620 --> 02:51:53,700
don't have to come out here now I've in
my time here I don't know that they've

2002
02:51:51,120 --> 02:51:57,779
ever came particularly I don't know that
they've ever done a town hall visit in

2003
02:51:55,920 --> 02:52:02,640
my time being here most of the the
problems can be fixed over the telephone

2004
02:51:59,899 --> 02:52:07,380
honestly they remote in they fix it that
way and it's done in no time if they

2005
02:52:05,279 --> 02:52:11,220
hurry up and fix it
how much money have we spent with the

2006
02:52:09,960 --> 02:52:16,819
phone call
last year does anybody have a clue

2007
02:52:13,560 --> 02:52:16,819
can you tell us

2008
02:52:19,020 --> 02:52:26,520
well Jimmy what was your last part I
couldn't hear you how much money have we

2009
02:52:23,160 --> 02:52:30,180
spent with phone calls with TCS okay you
know I mean is it too it's not

2010
02:52:28,140 --> 02:52:36,840
insignificant I'd say a couple hundred
dollars more a month on top of

2011
02:52:33,500 --> 02:52:40,859
470-ish so okay so we're so this is a
big difference in my opinion this is a

2012
02:52:38,760 --> 02:52:47,160
good deal well let me and let me say
this uh the proposal to TCS provided us

2013
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:52,319
last month without the support was still
going to be around 670 or so because

2014
02:52:50,100 --> 02:52:58,319
they're going to a new security platform
which is more secure what we've been

2015
02:52:55,140 --> 02:53:04,979
paying in the past was 426.53 a month
that's going up regardless uh on what

2016
02:53:02,520 --> 02:53:10,080
just through negotiating with TCS
they're willing to to keep the contract

2017
02:53:07,439 --> 02:53:14,160
they're willing to provide the the fully
managed support as well within pretty

2018
02:53:12,240 --> 02:53:19,800
much within the same cost
so um it satisfies what the town I think

2019
02:53:17,580 --> 02:53:25,500
the town needs and
you know one call is 125 dollars uh two

2020
02:53:22,680 --> 02:53:30,540
calls is 250 or two hours 250. I know
we've had that situation with with the

2021
02:53:27,180 --> 02:53:32,399
Facebook uh the Facebook page issue so
it could happen

2022
02:53:31,740 --> 02:53:36,420
um
but I think more than anything it gives

2023
02:53:34,859 --> 02:53:39,960
the town staff a piece of mind that
they're not sitting there sweating

2024
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:44,819
having a call and knowing they're going
to incur a cost and when you have a and

2025
02:53:42,180 --> 02:53:49,080
we have a fixed a fixed cost going
forward that we're not having to budget

2026
02:53:47,460 --> 02:53:52,380
you know an overage four if something
does break we know what we're going to

2027
02:53:50,819 --> 02:53:57,000
be paying and we don't have to worry
about having that fluctuation each month

2028
02:53:54,479 --> 02:54:01,080
because of you know somebody's called
somebody's call because they

2029
02:53:59,040 --> 02:54:03,899
you know something the machine didn't
need to be needed to be rebooted or

2030
02:54:02,580 --> 02:54:08,760
something like that a lot of times it's
very simple stuff

2031
02:54:06,120 --> 02:54:13,859
that that they have many remote interfix
and within 15 or 20 minutes but we still

2032
02:54:10,859 --> 02:54:18,600
incur about 125 dollars for this cost
so if you've seen it yet

2033
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:23,760
you're still looking yes I would just
like to make cancel the where

2034
02:54:21,060 --> 02:54:25,939
um I did remind let you guys know that
there would have to be a budget

2035
02:54:24,899 --> 02:54:31,380
amendment
for this and I unfortunately did not see

2036
02:54:29,340 --> 02:54:35,760
these until this morning so therefore I
was not sure what the price was going to

2037
02:54:33,899 --> 02:54:38,580
be because I knew the last meeting you
guys had said you were going to reach

2038
02:54:37,080 --> 02:54:41,460
out to a couple of more people or what
have you

2039
02:54:39,899 --> 02:54:48,899
um I would also like to let you know too
I have also received an invoice

2040
02:54:44,279 --> 02:54:52,680
um number 86696 from TCS and it's for
monitoring for March

2041
02:54:50,700 --> 02:54:58,160
so
um I noticed on the terms on here that

2042
02:54:54,720 --> 02:55:03,600
this contract would begin March 1st 2023
at the sixth

2043
02:55:00,660 --> 02:55:08,880
um 77-84.
um I would much rather

2044
02:55:05,399 --> 02:55:12,779
have that revised if possible for 4 123
because I had the invoice for March for

2045
02:55:10,920 --> 02:55:17,040
426.53
already so

2046
02:55:14,939 --> 02:55:21,300
to me that you know
I think that would be silly to

2047
02:55:19,319 --> 02:55:25,319
sign a contract for March one when we
had the invoice for March already at 4

2048
02:55:23,040 --> 02:55:29,399
26. I'm just that's a good deal that's a
good point save us come on well the only

2049
02:55:27,660 --> 02:55:32,220
the only issue with what you've got for
for March is it doesn't provide that

2050
02:55:31,200 --> 02:55:38,100
support
it doesn't provide the support level

2051
02:55:35,580 --> 02:55:42,060
you know the the that that we're talking
about that's going back to the same

2052
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:46,800
problem that's just don't call them yeah
yeah month of March okay so that's a

2053
02:55:44,460 --> 02:55:51,000
that's a fine fine piece of example of
leadership and I just wanted to let you

2054
02:55:49,319 --> 02:55:56,520
guys because I noticed that on there it
does say March 1st but they have already

2055
02:55:53,279 --> 02:56:00,899
invoiced us for March I would contend we
couldn't enter into a contract into the

2056
02:55:58,439 --> 02:56:05,460
budget is amended correct and we need to
do that in the March meeting so I think

2057
02:56:02,580 --> 02:56:09,660
in April 1 start date is is reasonable
for those two reasons and let me let me

2058
02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:13,319
just say I take full responsibility I
did not email these costs to Kim until

2059
02:56:11,580 --> 02:56:17,640
this morning or late last night because
I did not get the two contracts until

2060
02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:21,240
the last couple days
um you know both of them said we'll get

2061
02:56:18,899 --> 02:56:25,200
you one by you know thank you for doing
this I know it's a lot of work if you

2062
02:56:23,279 --> 02:56:30,240
were doing this to yourself you didn't
have to ask anybody what would you do

2063
02:56:28,080 --> 02:56:34,760
you know um
I don't think we any of us have any

2064
02:56:32,100 --> 02:56:39,060
issues like I said with tcs's service
obviously it was cost and I don't blame

2065
02:56:37,680 --> 02:56:43,020
them for that it's their business you
know that's their agreement hey we come

2066
02:56:40,979 --> 02:56:46,740
out at 725 an hour we agreed to that so
I don't have any issues there I just

2067
02:56:45,060 --> 02:56:50,399
think we you know we and now we've
renegotiated a little bit better deal

2068
02:56:48,600 --> 02:56:55,920
for us to where we won't have to incur
this 125 an hour cost

2069
02:56:53,640 --> 02:57:00,720
um I personally would rather
for the cost difference in the two plans

2070
02:56:58,680 --> 02:57:03,439
the two companies I would rather stay
with what we have because we don't have

2071
02:57:02,040 --> 02:57:07,859
to worry about
having to disrupt our service having had

2072
02:57:06,300 --> 02:57:11,399
all our data switched over to another
server or stuff like that you know I

2073
02:57:09,779 --> 02:57:14,939
mean that's going to be a that is going
to take some man hour time for somebody

2074
02:57:13,439 --> 02:57:21,359
to come in here and switch their service
over so we don't have any any issues I

2075
02:57:18,180 --> 02:57:26,700
would just assume stay with TCS and and
you know upgrade to the more secure the

2076
02:57:23,939 --> 02:57:30,720
more security platform in the
um the service that our our staff can

2077
02:57:28,979 --> 02:57:36,060
use if they need to
well Mr Rigsby

2078
02:57:33,660 --> 02:57:41,939
I'll pick on you since you presented
Jason this is nothing against geek box

2079
02:57:39,120 --> 02:57:45,960
I.T because I don't know these folks but
uh

2080
02:57:43,620 --> 02:57:50,160
how how
did they provide you with references do

2081
02:57:48,240 --> 02:57:54,120
they do work for any other governmental
entities

2082
02:57:51,540 --> 02:57:57,120
I'm sitting here not knowing much I'm a
Layman when it comes to a computer for

2083
02:57:55,859 --> 02:58:02,700
for sure
and and I'm just wondering how I as a

2084
02:58:00,540 --> 02:58:08,700
council member are we as a council
go through the process of evaluating

2085
02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:11,760
their competence and their integrity and
you know

2086
02:58:09,720 --> 02:58:18,359
do we require them to have any specific
kind of insurance to protect us

2087
02:58:14,100 --> 02:58:22,740
uh protect the towns you know
computer system we spend a lot of money

2088
02:58:20,460 --> 02:58:27,359
on these computers between buying
Hardware software and the I.T

2089
02:58:25,439 --> 02:58:30,800
maintenance it's sometimes it makes me
wonder if we should just go back to

2090
02:58:28,560 --> 02:58:30,800
paper

2091
02:58:31,740 --> 02:58:39,060
um so to answer your question I I had
two lengthy conversations with people

2092
02:58:36,540 --> 02:58:43,200
from geekbox I honestly cannot remember
they they told me who you know several

2093
02:58:41,939 --> 02:58:47,640
companies they
provide services for their local company

2094
02:58:45,540 --> 02:58:51,420
they are uh
um that's all they're they're local

2095
02:58:49,380 --> 02:58:55,500
they're I mean they're not they're not a
one guy operating out of his house

2096
02:58:53,399 --> 02:58:58,439
they're they're legitimate I.T company
that uh some of their you know some of

2097
02:58:57,540 --> 02:59:04,140
their
um some of their um employees are have

2098
02:59:02,160 --> 02:59:08,939
gone from TCS so they're the same level
of of service providers I I was

2099
02:59:07,020 --> 02:59:12,420
wondering if they had at least two or
three service people in case somebody

2100
02:59:10,200 --> 02:59:16,560
had the flu they do I believe I believe
he told me six but don't quote me on

2101
02:59:14,100 --> 02:59:20,460
that I looked at their website and um
okay so did I ask those specific

2102
02:59:18,960 --> 02:59:24,420
questions I can't say that I did or
didn't but um I definitely looked at

2103
02:59:22,680 --> 02:59:30,840
their website to make sure there were
not a a one-man operation and they

2104
02:59:27,960 --> 02:59:34,380
assured me they had enough support in
place to you know to support us because

2105
02:59:32,880 --> 02:59:39,540
they support a lot larger clients than
us the only one I've ever been involved

2106
02:59:37,439 --> 02:59:44,340
in really hiring here for I.T support
was Tech Authority out of Reidsville

2107
02:59:42,000 --> 02:59:47,819
and I felt comfortable doing that at the
time because I knew two different

2108
02:59:45,840 --> 02:59:52,680
companies I knew people that worked
there the owners that that Tech

2109
02:59:50,220 --> 02:59:58,859
Authority was performing work for
and so just somehow we have to figure

2110
02:59:55,260 --> 03:00:03,120
out some way to vet these folks whether
it be asking for references or or

2111
03:00:01,140 --> 03:00:10,380
certifications I don't know the answer
to this I I'm not uh

2112
03:00:07,140 --> 03:00:13,740
really up to speed on
computer systems or computer period

2113
03:00:12,300 --> 03:00:19,380
enough to know what questions I should
be asking Miss Martin Mr Jones we have

2114
03:00:17,520 --> 03:00:22,979
been with them for how long three years
I believe it's a little at least three

2115
03:00:22,200 --> 03:00:29,220
years
um and yeah with current tcx yeah other

2116
03:00:27,479 --> 03:00:36,300
than just the issues of
calling recently say last six months

2117
03:00:33,660 --> 03:00:41,640
I think they've served us well yes well
it just uh you would want us to be

2118
03:00:38,819 --> 03:00:45,779
careful what we do in regards to our
computer system it would really impact

2119
03:00:43,319 --> 03:00:53,040
the staff negatively if we we had things
go Haywire absolutely and from my

2120
03:00:49,800 --> 03:00:58,979
perspective if we switch which we can do
but it would be significant downtime for

2121
03:00:55,979 --> 03:01:03,479
the staff while that's done but Miss
Martin if you had to make the decision

2122
03:01:01,319 --> 03:01:08,220
yourself solely yourself which what
would you do

2123
03:01:05,220 --> 03:01:15,180
I'm I'm satisfied enough with TCS I
agree with Mr Rigsby that I would stay

2124
03:01:10,200 --> 03:01:20,939
with him on geek box has not given us a
super super deal over and above what TCS

2125
03:01:18,120 --> 03:01:25,500
could provide so I don't have a problem
with staying with TCS at all

2126
03:01:23,160 --> 03:01:30,420
all right thank you I'm going to make a
motion now that the town enter into a

2127
03:01:28,380 --> 03:01:35,520
contract with TCS that matches a
document that we have in our packet

2128
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:42,420
dated two eight the quote number is t c
s q 4744

2129
03:01:39,060 --> 03:01:48,439
the monthly amount is going to be 653
dollars with the sales tax of 24.84

2130
03:01:45,240 --> 03:01:55,520
cents for a total cash outlay of
677.84 a month and that this contract

2131
03:01:52,560 --> 03:02:03,420
become effective April the 1st
2023 there

2132
03:01:59,040 --> 03:02:08,100
I'll second that motion excuse me for uh
for a let's see for a one year period

2133
03:02:06,779 --> 03:02:12,420
okay
I

2134
03:02:10,020 --> 03:02:17,720
just a point of reference let me let me
flip back through here

2135
03:02:13,979 --> 03:02:17,720
I don't know that um

2136
03:02:18,060 --> 03:02:23,880
I think generally they do a two-year
period I think it's one of the terms

2137
03:02:21,359 --> 03:02:27,240
that's in here okay so I I would have to
be something we had to go back and

2138
03:02:25,080 --> 03:02:30,000
negotiate and I don't know it's kind of
like the lawn care business you know if

2139
03:02:28,800 --> 03:02:34,260
they
you get a better deal if we you know we

2140
03:02:32,460 --> 03:02:39,240
put a little bit more longer contract
with them I don't think two years is

2141
03:02:35,640 --> 03:02:42,540
absurd you know out of the norm well
but um Tim and Mike what do you guys

2142
03:02:41,160 --> 03:02:46,760
think are y'all comfortable with two
years I kind of hate the idea of

2143
03:02:46,800 --> 03:02:53,279
signing contracts that go into the past
the next election just because I've had

2144
03:02:51,540 --> 03:02:57,600
that done to me before and it just
that's why you feel good I don't think

2145
03:02:56,040 --> 03:03:00,840
we can avoid that though I mean unless
we sign a month by month contract

2146
03:02:59,160 --> 03:03:05,220
because the next election's coming up in
seven wait a minute how long we signed a

2147
03:03:03,240 --> 03:03:08,220
contract forth on a year they want no no
I mean the standard contract we've

2148
03:03:06,899 --> 03:03:12,060
signed in the past is two years and
that's what the term they've got in the

2149
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:14,520
contract is what I'm saying let's go
back to them and tell them we don't want

2150
03:03:13,319 --> 03:03:19,020
to do it
yeah I I don't like I don't like doing

2151
03:03:16,920 --> 03:03:22,800
that either I mean you know they'll
probably get it back anyway but you know

2152
03:03:21,300 --> 03:03:27,060
there could be three guys sitting up
here that are different that want to do

2153
03:03:25,020 --> 03:03:31,260
something I know how we were
uh how we had to keep some people that

2154
03:03:29,460 --> 03:03:36,000
we didn't want to keep
um the point is we're not having to to

2155
03:03:33,660 --> 03:03:39,960
change anything just by extending the
contract they're just taking the

2156
03:03:37,979 --> 03:03:44,580
existing contract and just they want
another two-year commitment from us so

2157
03:03:42,300 --> 03:03:47,100
well they shouldn't they should have a
problem doing a one-year commitment

2158
03:03:45,779 --> 03:03:50,819
because they're already here well
hopefully make a motion to give them a

2159
03:03:48,899 --> 03:03:54,140
one year and if they they accept it
we'll be good to go and if they don't

2160
03:03:52,200 --> 03:03:58,920
we'll have to revisit this
uh let me propose a friendly Amendment

2161
03:03:56,520 --> 03:04:02,960
if I may that that the terms of the
contract be one year rather than their

2162
03:04:01,560 --> 03:04:06,720
requested too
and tell them the tell them why I mean I

2163
03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:08,960
mean they've got somebody's got to
respect

2164
03:04:09,000 --> 03:04:15,660
it was one
well the paper says to come to think of

2165
03:04:12,600 --> 03:04:21,140
it forgive me forgive me I'll wake up in
a little bit all right we'll see where

2166
03:04:17,520 --> 03:04:21,140
you agree we don't even know it I know

2167
03:04:23,060 --> 03:04:31,080
okay so it's a one-year proposal
one-year motion effective four one

2168
03:04:28,260 --> 03:04:33,260
effective four one Jim you have seconded
it

2169
03:04:33,479 --> 03:04:39,479
yes Ms Martin I guess you're going to
have to contact them just to tell them

2170
03:04:37,020 --> 03:04:44,040
you know what what we want and give them
the reason yeah explain explain why the

2171
03:04:42,720 --> 03:04:48,359
reason is you know we've got election
coming up less than a year

2172
03:04:46,439 --> 03:04:52,319
well and we're trying to do the right
thing yeah

2173
03:04:50,340 --> 03:04:54,380
and you said April 1st
yeah

2174
03:04:58,939 --> 03:05:07,260
any more discussion Mr Rigsby is been
the one that's done the negotiations so

2175
03:05:04,859 --> 03:05:12,180
you want okay Mr Rigsby will you
will you renegotiate this for us I will

2176
03:05:09,479 --> 03:05:16,200
reach out to him and um and
and

2177
03:05:13,800 --> 03:05:20,279
report back uh
I guess if if they so uh so I guess what

2178
03:05:19,380 --> 03:05:25,979
we're going to do is we're going to
prove it under our conditions tonight

2179
03:05:23,279 --> 03:05:28,260
and if they say no we can't do that and
then we'll just have to come back to the

2180
03:05:27,300 --> 03:05:33,840
table
in March yes I just can't I couldn't

2181
03:05:31,439 --> 03:05:37,319
understand them you know they realize
that we're doing it because we're not

2182
03:05:35,160 --> 03:05:40,439
wanting the hamster no I'm I I just
can't speak for them by now I know you

2183
03:05:38,939 --> 03:05:43,380
know they got two years in here for re I
don't know if that's just their policy

2184
03:05:41,580 --> 03:05:46,500
their business operation I I don't know
it's probably because it's printed on

2185
03:05:44,819 --> 03:05:50,640
the contract it reminds me of that
Spectrum contract we thought would never

2186
03:05:48,300 --> 03:05:55,439
end yeah I think if we were a new client
for them they may be more hesitant one

2187
03:05:53,100 --> 03:05:59,460
year I agree yeah you know
I mean if they don't if they don't

2188
03:05:57,300 --> 03:06:02,460
respect that we feel that way then I
don't even know if I want to keep them

2189
03:06:00,359 --> 03:06:05,640
anyway so
you know

2190
03:06:03,779 --> 03:06:09,720
Ms Martin you think we've had we've been
with them for three years

2191
03:06:07,740 --> 03:06:14,960
I've been here almost too and you were
with them do you have any idea what the

2192
03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:14,960
original contract stated

2193
03:06:17,220 --> 03:06:23,340
I think we're I think we'll be fine I
think we're you know how did we get to

2194
03:06:21,720 --> 03:06:28,859
three years if we had signed a two-year
contract

2195
03:06:25,319 --> 03:06:32,399
oh I got you all right yeah yeah all
right Bill don't worry about it is there

2196
03:06:30,479 --> 03:06:38,640
any further discussion
Mr Rigsby

2197
03:06:34,260 --> 03:06:43,380
aye Mr Floyd aye Mr Landry aye Mr Jones
aye and I am also I

2198
03:06:40,620 --> 03:06:47,880
uh speed limits I believe that's you Mr
Floyd

2199
03:06:44,640 --> 03:06:51,720
I'll make the motion uh that the town uh
approve with an ordinance to regulate

2200
03:06:49,859 --> 03:06:55,220
the speed limit on Athens Drive within
the town of Stokesdale this is strictly

2201
03:06:54,180 --> 03:07:00,359
between
the school and Angel Purdue Road I'd

2202
03:06:58,859 --> 03:07:06,800
like to second that but I'd like to make
an amendment that should be Athens Road

2203
03:07:03,540 --> 03:07:06,800
not Athens Drive

2204
03:07:07,080 --> 03:07:15,060
yeah it says drive but it's dot
paperwork Says Athens drop I don't know

2205
03:07:12,600 --> 03:07:19,680
what's correct I assume their paperwork
is correct but I can actually put the

2206
03:07:18,420 --> 03:07:23,700
ordinate well
as I could put both on there with one in

2207
03:07:22,020 --> 03:07:28,500
parentheses the state road numbers on
there it is that's true it should be

2208
03:07:26,520 --> 03:07:34,620
sufficient
whatever y'all want to do we can we can

2209
03:07:31,560 --> 03:07:38,220
do it but it's it's Athens Road
um

2210
03:07:36,540 --> 03:07:43,260
if you want to if you just want to put
on there to make a note to dot to

2211
03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:47,700
um
could I confirm with them which we'll

2212
03:07:45,540 --> 03:07:52,920
just confirm with it and and then and
Miss Martin has the authority to do

2213
03:07:50,340 --> 03:07:56,220
whatever to change that if it should be
changed I mean if they've slipped up and

2214
03:07:54,300 --> 03:08:00,540
changed it and I just don't know about
that's fine

2215
03:07:57,720 --> 03:08:03,600
uh that is Athens Road it's listed that
way so

2216
03:08:02,220 --> 03:08:08,880
um
maybe they've got a

2217
03:08:06,380 --> 03:08:12,140
I think we should be as accurate as we
can any further discussion who second

2218
03:08:11,160 --> 03:08:17,220
did that
Jim Jimmy with with the with the

2219
03:08:15,060 --> 03:08:21,979
amendment that uh Miss Martin has the
authority to change that to Athens Road

2220
03:08:19,020 --> 03:08:21,979
if need be

2221
03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:30,840
better right there
you accept that oh yeah any further

2222
03:08:28,859 --> 03:08:34,080
discussion
Jim

2223
03:08:32,520 --> 03:08:39,899
aye Derek hi
Jimmy hi Tim hi and I am I

2224
03:08:38,220 --> 03:08:44,700
uh new business
discussion on vendor to maintain soccer

2225
03:08:42,120 --> 03:08:49,020
fields at Town Park that sounds like a
gym or Jimmy idea

2226
03:08:46,620 --> 03:08:53,060
do we we don't have we have a contract
we

2227
03:08:49,859 --> 03:08:53,060
I don't think it's in the packet

2228
03:08:59,279 --> 03:09:07,380
uh we we had them under contract Jimmy
um don't quote me on this but if I had

2229
03:09:05,220 --> 03:09:11,819
to guess
it was a one-year contract but I don't

2230
03:09:09,720 --> 03:09:15,300
remember I know we've we redid it but it
must seems like it was over a year ago

2231
03:09:13,439 --> 03:09:19,260
to me yeah the contracts run out that's
and that's what it was

2232
03:09:18,240 --> 03:09:25,080
um
contract

2233
03:09:21,300 --> 03:09:28,800
um until December 31st 2022. yeah run
out in December so I mean we've we've

2234
03:09:27,300 --> 03:09:34,560
we've been painted do we have a copy of
the contract they wanted us to make us

2235
03:09:32,120 --> 03:09:37,460
we don't so they're they're still have
they billed us yeah

2236
03:09:42,120 --> 03:09:47,640
yeah
but that wasn't yeah okay but so we're

2237
03:09:45,840 --> 03:09:53,760
under a new contract now so we need to
uh we need to uh

2238
03:09:50,640 --> 03:10:00,140
get a copy of it it was
okay

2239
03:09:56,340 --> 03:10:00,140
all we had was that proposal

2240
03:10:06,779 --> 03:10:11,640
because we can't we can't write them we
can't write a check till we we have a

2241
03:10:10,080 --> 03:10:14,120
contract correct I mean she can't you
can't do this

2242
03:10:14,279 --> 03:10:22,620
okay so I guess it will be okay with you
I mean we can be okay till next uh

2243
03:10:20,220 --> 03:10:26,520
our next meeting I would recommend we
ask for one based on

2244
03:10:24,240 --> 03:10:32,580
if y'all want to go for a proposal or
you want me to ask Hunter for another is

2245
03:10:29,279 --> 03:10:37,380
everybody happy very much so
good I I honestly disagree

2246
03:10:36,600 --> 03:10:41,160
um
um I don't know that at this point in a

2247
03:10:39,479 --> 03:10:47,640
staging point I have a I have an
alternative but um

2248
03:10:44,160 --> 03:10:51,420
my two issues with with them was one a
couple times last year they mowed and

2249
03:10:49,620 --> 03:10:56,700
they left dead grass all over the soccer
fields at least two occasions and I've

2250
03:10:52,979 --> 03:10:59,580
got pictures of it to a point where
um a parent had to come out with a

2251
03:10:58,080 --> 03:11:06,660
blower and blow it off the soccer field
for them to use it um and then also the

2252
03:11:03,000 --> 03:11:09,140
repair that they did to the um uh where
they had to dig the hole for the water

2253
03:11:07,979 --> 03:11:14,520
repair
I I just it's my opinion and and some

2254
03:11:12,960 --> 03:11:18,660
other professional opinions that that
could have been done a little bit better

2255
03:11:16,200 --> 03:11:22,920
and um
um so

2256
03:11:20,040 --> 03:11:26,700
you know not not saying that anything
negative on them or anything but I'd be

2257
03:11:25,500 --> 03:11:30,479
open to
um looking at some other vendors if

2258
03:11:28,859 --> 03:11:34,319
possible you don't have any options
right now though because springtime's

2259
03:11:32,880 --> 03:11:38,819
getting ready to come up pretty quick
yeah but um no I don't but I we can

2260
03:11:37,560 --> 03:11:43,020
certainly
I had a couple people kind of reach out

2261
03:11:41,399 --> 03:11:48,000
one was the person that blew all the
dead grass off hemos Angels Glen

2262
03:11:45,000 --> 03:11:52,380
subdivision now he's our contractor he
asked me about it um and I told him I

2263
03:11:50,760 --> 03:11:57,000
said at that point we were still in the
contract but if we put bids out you know

2264
03:11:54,840 --> 03:12:04,080
I'd reach out to him
um also um

2265
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:07,020
our current regular mower
um

2266
03:12:05,220 --> 03:12:11,819
Excellence you know that would be
another option but but unless we decide

2267
03:12:09,660 --> 03:12:16,080
to like rebid it I mean there was no
reason to go out and you know try to

2268
03:12:13,979 --> 03:12:20,580
rebid it until we talked about it as
Council but I'm just saying I'm not I

2269
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:25,260
don't know that I'm in lockstep to to
just give them another year without at

2270
03:12:22,680 --> 03:12:30,319
least talking about it well Mr Rigsby
that turf grass business is a whole

2271
03:12:27,180 --> 03:12:36,720
nother world it's a special real mower
it is but everything most landscapers

2272
03:12:33,359 --> 03:12:41,880
don't have the the sprayers and access
to the chemicals no certifications and

2273
03:12:39,300 --> 03:12:45,899
what have you but you know if Council
wants to look at that fine by me but I I

2274
03:12:44,100 --> 03:12:50,880
would hope that we would bring our
concerns to Hunter and let him know

2275
03:12:48,180 --> 03:12:56,760
those those two issues so that he can
address them or at least be aware of

2276
03:12:52,620 --> 03:13:00,960
them we we did on the dead grass and
correct and you can let we can let the

2277
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:04,220
staff get there we'll see were they
responsive Mr Wagner

2278
03:13:05,120 --> 03:13:12,000
yeah I will
um I I know I can think of at least two

2279
03:13:10,319 --> 03:13:15,660
different instances where I was at the
park mainly after that repair was made

2280
03:13:14,460 --> 03:13:20,340
you know I would go down there and water
in the mornings had a couple residents

2281
03:13:17,640 --> 03:13:24,000
that would come up and and uh make a
comment about the dead grass on the

2282
03:13:21,779 --> 03:13:28,979
field and I wanted to know if that was
going to be fixed and if I'm not

2283
03:13:26,760 --> 03:13:33,120
mistaken uh Mr Rigsby had actually been
down here I think you might have gave

2284
03:13:30,120 --> 03:13:36,240
him a call and they said that sometimes
they do that they mow it's early in the

2285
03:13:34,680 --> 03:13:39,240
mornings they wait for it to dry out and
then they come and blow it off now

2286
03:13:37,800 --> 03:13:42,540
whether or not they would have came back
without him calling I don't know but at

2287
03:13:40,859 --> 03:13:47,939
some point they did come back and blow
it off but it wasn't until after Mr

2288
03:13:45,240 --> 03:13:55,439
Rigsby called them and and asked them to
do so well this fellow has all the

2289
03:13:52,200 --> 03:14:01,020
necessary specialized equipment to
service Athletic Field the turf grass so

2290
03:13:58,680 --> 03:14:04,920
that that would be my concern if you
know if you can find a competitor that

2291
03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:10,500
wants to give us a quote that that is in
that business and we can verify that I'm

2292
03:14:07,680 --> 03:14:14,760
fine by that you know great let me let
me just give you and I don't have

2293
03:14:11,819 --> 03:14:20,279
anybody in mind right this second but
that was what I had been told for all

2294
03:14:16,740 --> 03:14:22,340
this time um as well however
um

2295
03:14:22,500 --> 03:14:29,520
every I've used Northwest High School as
an example of their football field is as

2296
03:14:27,779 --> 03:14:34,620
in good a shape as this right here he is
and it's done by an athletic coach with

2297
03:14:31,800 --> 03:14:41,340
a John Deere with an attachment and um
so I you know I don't I think I think um

2298
03:14:39,479 --> 03:14:45,359
from equipment standpoint I think
anybody could go out and buy the

2299
03:14:43,200 --> 03:14:50,100
equipment they needed to do it now from
a spray-in and a chemical standpoint

2300
03:14:47,479 --> 03:14:55,859
most any any
certified by this mowing it's going to

2301
03:14:52,620 --> 03:14:59,520
have those those you know those um
uh access to those because they're

2302
03:14:57,899 --> 03:15:03,000
already you know using them on if
they're a commercial mower they're going

2303
03:15:01,200 --> 03:15:06,840
to have access to chemicals and and
spraying license so I don't I don't know

2304
03:15:04,859 --> 03:15:10,800
that that's that big of a hurdle I'm
just saying you know if we want to at

2305
03:15:09,180 --> 03:15:13,920
least take a look and see what kind of
bid we could you know could get to

2306
03:15:12,420 --> 03:15:18,060
somebody that's comfortable I mean I
don't want to certainly don't want to

2307
03:15:15,240 --> 03:15:21,899
reduce our requirement in any way as far
as equipment or or licensing or

2308
03:15:20,399 --> 03:15:26,640
insurance or anything like that I just
wanna just proposed do we want to look

2309
03:15:24,600 --> 03:15:31,140
at and at least give some other vendors
a chance to look at it well

2310
03:15:28,700 --> 03:15:34,800
just speaking for me I would want them
to be able to demonstrate to me that

2311
03:15:33,000 --> 03:15:38,040
they are in the business of taking care
of turf grass and they've been

2312
03:15:36,359 --> 03:15:40,560
successful at it
um

2313
03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:44,040
don't know what's going on with the dead
grass but

2314
03:15:41,880 --> 03:15:46,740
certainly if we're having surface
service issues then that's what we're

2315
03:15:45,540 --> 03:15:53,220
having
I um I agree with you I would just I

2316
03:15:50,640 --> 03:15:58,979
mean I you know I like to continue to
like I said the repair that they made

2317
03:15:55,020 --> 03:16:03,600
down there I I consulted with um
probably the biggest

2318
03:16:00,899 --> 03:16:08,760
turf grass company in the in the Triad
and was very you know adamantly told

2319
03:16:06,180 --> 03:16:13,560
that that was not done properly and and
pointed out in many ways why it wasn't

2320
03:16:10,920 --> 03:16:19,380
done properly and uh and like here's the
history here's a picture of it

2321
03:16:15,720 --> 03:16:24,359
Mr Jones I thought I don't mess that up
um and I'll just give you I mean let me

2322
03:16:21,720 --> 03:16:29,399
approach it is it show you this is this
picture when the repair was done or now

2323
03:16:26,279 --> 03:16:34,319
both no no no so there's the the dead
grass yeah that we're talking about and

2324
03:16:32,340 --> 03:16:38,340
here's the repair and you can see the
lip that was left

2325
03:16:35,819 --> 03:16:41,460
how that should have been done
you can see it again it should have been

2326
03:16:40,140 --> 03:16:44,760
tapered the sand it should have been
used more sand it should have been

2327
03:16:42,779 --> 03:16:49,380
tapered down to where it was more level
and flat

2328
03:16:46,620 --> 03:16:53,760
um and you can see The Ridges that you
know the unlevelness of it

2329
03:16:51,120 --> 03:16:58,740
there's a good picture you can see where
you know they left the edges and stuff

2330
03:16:56,279 --> 03:17:02,819
so you're going to have some transition
period it could could have used more

2331
03:17:00,600 --> 03:17:06,840
sand right there
um but then again there's some more of

2332
03:17:04,680 --> 03:17:11,220
the dead grass well you know so that's
just concerns please notify them and

2333
03:17:09,660 --> 03:17:15,479
tell you know tell them your concerns
maybe they'll come out and

2334
03:17:12,840 --> 03:17:20,880
I do a warranty repair add some sand and
blend it in a little better

2335
03:17:18,140 --> 03:17:25,620
in the past we haven't experienced a lot
of service issues with Hunter I will say

2336
03:17:23,100 --> 03:17:30,060
that you know and I agree I'm not
familiar with any at all just like I

2337
03:17:28,500 --> 03:17:34,920
said the dead grass
um and I don't you know I mean you and I

2338
03:17:32,640 --> 03:17:37,800
both know mud grass many times it could
have been a lot of reasons it happened

2339
03:17:36,420 --> 03:17:43,200
but I think it happened more than once
because it happened the day I saw it and

2340
03:17:40,740 --> 03:17:47,340
I going back on that time period I think
we're talking to staff they had had an

2341
03:17:45,540 --> 03:17:52,560
issue the week previous with the same
thing and and like I said I've had a

2342
03:17:49,939 --> 03:17:56,399
parent as well come up and say he went
out there and blew all the grass off so

2343
03:17:53,939 --> 03:17:59,640
they could play on the fields so and
there was another issue and I don't know

2344
03:17:58,140 --> 03:18:02,819
who did I don't want to throw shade but
just the movement of some equipment that

2345
03:18:01,260 --> 03:18:07,140
occurred on those fields that damaged
some equipment

2346
03:18:04,380 --> 03:18:11,220
that um you know that they tied a mower
to it and supposedly pulled it I had to

2347
03:18:09,720 --> 03:18:13,439
complain about that from the citizen as
well

2348
03:18:11,939 --> 03:18:16,920
so um
but I don't know that they did it or not

2349
03:18:15,120 --> 03:18:21,960
but you know just
it happened the the goal got damaged we

2350
03:18:19,740 --> 03:18:24,960
do know that much so you know we've got
a lot of people coming out here in the

2351
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:28,020
evenings too that I think might move
some stuff you know I mean well my

2352
03:18:26,760 --> 03:18:32,700
understanding was it was done with a
chain oh well it was a chain was tied to

2353
03:18:30,899 --> 03:18:37,740
the goal and it was pulled with a
machine and it damaged the goal I've

2354
03:18:35,220 --> 03:18:43,640
seen citizens out on those fields with
pickup trucks doing various things it's

2355
03:18:40,979 --> 03:18:43,640
hard to police

2356
03:18:44,700 --> 03:18:49,260
um one of these days about I'll talk
about putting the fence around this

2357
03:18:47,520 --> 03:18:53,340
thing I could have an oak Creed people
can't drive up on them

2358
03:18:51,060 --> 03:18:59,479
we might should have done that this time
when we were and I just didn't think

2359
03:18:55,439 --> 03:18:59,479
about it true that uh we don't have any

2360
03:18:59,520 --> 03:19:06,960
um maybe we should pursue
getting the contract and um

2361
03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:11,520
I mean we don't we don't have a uh
alternative right now if you want to try

2362
03:19:08,520 --> 03:19:14,640
to find some um I mean we could we're
going to do something because it's going

2363
03:19:12,779 --> 03:19:20,520
to be spraying time I'm not sure it says
in the contract that uh Miss Martin

2364
03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:25,020
uh when they when they spray
is it that's your question in the

2365
03:19:23,220 --> 03:19:28,819
contract doesn't it say uh when they
when they spray and all

2366
03:19:29,580 --> 03:19:32,479
I can't remember

2367
03:19:36,840 --> 03:19:42,779
I mean this thing's paid quarterly so we
won't be able to if they do anything

2368
03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:46,979
we'll be able to write a check until we
you know prove it

2369
03:19:44,939 --> 03:19:50,819
well I mean it actually shouldn't they
be spending the movie until

2370
03:19:49,020 --> 03:19:54,000
yeah I was thinking the same thing maybe
we need to

2371
03:19:52,859 --> 03:19:58,500
um
do we need to just notify him to hold

2372
03:19:56,760 --> 03:20:00,979
off on any Services until we make
decisions

2373
03:20:01,939 --> 03:20:07,740
guys I worry about
we neglected

2374
03:20:06,120 --> 03:20:13,140
the condition of those fields will get
away from us the soccer season's I don't

2375
03:20:10,859 --> 03:20:17,160
know a month away it has been a
contentious issue in the past previous

2376
03:20:14,760 --> 03:20:22,020
year also has spent a huge amount of
money on those fields so I'd sure hate

2377
03:20:19,859 --> 03:20:29,939
for us to back up it's uh
there's gold in that grass

2378
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:34,080
yes it is that repair was gold uh I
think that we got we've got a year we we

2379
03:20:32,399 --> 03:20:36,960
can
even though it might not have been 100

2380
03:20:35,819 --> 03:20:42,300
percent
uh we may just be too late to uh

2381
03:20:40,439 --> 03:20:46,800
um
you know to get somebody in I think he's

2382
03:20:44,939 --> 03:20:50,399
does it say
s

2383
03:20:48,180 --> 03:20:57,359
a proposal that was submitted in March
of 2 2022 February March they're already

2384
03:20:54,000 --> 03:21:01,439
applying Ron star whatever it is they
probably already started doing something

2385
03:20:58,500 --> 03:21:06,240
so they are prepared already to probably
start doing maintenance on it I agree it

2386
03:21:04,800 --> 03:21:09,359
wouldn't it wouldn't hurt to look but we
waited to this time we probably

2387
03:21:08,760 --> 03:21:13,500
[Music]
um

2388
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:16,680
I mean we had a few incidents
um

2389
03:21:14,460 --> 03:21:19,340
when you when you get reelected
well I

2390
03:21:20,460 --> 03:21:26,100
um
I had some interface and back and forth

2391
03:21:23,880 --> 03:21:31,260
with Mr hunter in my first term and and
I always found him to be receptive and

2392
03:21:29,040 --> 03:21:35,760
responsive to any any questions and
concerns and I just if we have some

2393
03:21:34,319 --> 03:21:41,340
issues here I just want to make sure
that he personally knows about him and

2394
03:21:38,479 --> 03:21:43,979
not you know just I don't know if
somebody answering the phone at his

2395
03:21:42,779 --> 03:21:47,340
company
I'm just I'm kind of like Derek I just

2396
03:21:45,779 --> 03:21:50,220
don't want to let the soccer fields I
mean he's probably already putting it on

2397
03:21:48,899 --> 03:21:53,520
there so we've already incurred some
expense

2398
03:21:51,479 --> 03:21:58,560
uh bills quarterly we can't sign a check
till

2399
03:21:55,560 --> 03:22:02,819
if a contract if we want to go there we
may be able to get some free advice from

2400
03:22:00,660 --> 03:22:09,240
NC State University some of their
extension people etc etc if

2401
03:22:06,240 --> 03:22:11,720
Council thinks we we need some expert
opinion

2402
03:22:14,279 --> 03:22:20,520
um
that's that's up to you um

2403
03:22:18,000 --> 03:22:24,720
I mean if we need to
we're not we're not under contract with

2404
03:22:22,439 --> 03:22:27,960
them right now so I
I would have to question if they're

2405
03:22:26,160 --> 03:22:32,100
coming out here spraying
you know are they if we're not under

2406
03:22:30,300 --> 03:22:36,300
contract are they doing that on their
own with the assumption that we're going

2407
03:22:33,899 --> 03:22:39,899
to pay as we were under contract which
is a big assumption if it was told we

2408
03:22:38,640 --> 03:22:44,700
hadn't told them nothing I mean it's
just I mean I I don't know the man you

2409
03:22:43,200 --> 03:22:47,460
know and I don't have a problem with Mr
Grimes he's doing it he's trying to keep

2410
03:22:46,020 --> 03:22:50,700
the fields up and I'll tell you I really
appreciate if he's doing it because

2411
03:22:50,040 --> 03:22:54,899
um
but we just need to have some Community

2412
03:22:52,260 --> 03:22:58,439
if you know he needs to you know provide
us a proposal because I think he went up

2413
03:22:56,939 --> 03:23:02,340
on the price last year if I'm not
mistaken he did so we don't need to be

2414
03:23:00,899 --> 03:23:06,540
shocked if he's going to plan on going
up on the price again this year and then

2415
03:23:04,620 --> 03:23:11,160
we you know we get halfway through the
spray-in season and he gives us a

2416
03:23:08,460 --> 03:23:15,180
proposal for 14 000. do we not have a
proposal now

2417
03:23:12,720 --> 03:23:19,920
well let's be sure we ask him for an
updated proposal and then we'll go from

2418
03:23:18,180 --> 03:23:24,479
there I don't have to call special call
Newton to take care of this because we

2419
03:23:21,960 --> 03:23:30,359
don't want to let this I mean whatever
um can we can we get a

2420
03:23:28,319 --> 03:23:33,840
you can now get in contact with him get
a proposal

2421
03:23:31,439 --> 03:23:36,899
and let's see where it is and if it's
something we can put off the next next

2422
03:23:35,279 --> 03:23:40,560
month but we've got to make sure these
soccer fields are taken care of I just

2423
03:23:38,700 --> 03:23:43,800
checked I think I still got his cell
number if you I'll give it to you all

2424
03:23:42,479 --> 03:23:48,479
right
just as a point of reverence this

2425
03:23:46,380 --> 03:23:55,500
proposal we got last year dated March
2022 was approved by Council April 14th

2426
03:23:52,460 --> 03:23:58,399
and if their schedule is correct they
had already done work last time yeah

2427
03:23:57,300 --> 03:24:05,460
yeah
contract for a year from from March Lori

2428
03:24:02,520 --> 03:24:09,439
is it for it is it for 12 months from
the day we signed it it was

2429
03:24:13,500 --> 03:24:21,300
so it really wasn't a full year okay
but the contract is out

2430
03:24:18,899 --> 03:24:25,319
and we haven't received any
communication from them say hey we need

2431
03:24:23,399 --> 03:24:28,680
to renew you know do you want us to send
a proposal for fourth quarter is the

2432
03:24:27,060 --> 03:24:33,060
only thing I would call City that's a
bill yeah yeah that's the only thing

2433
03:24:32,040 --> 03:24:37,160
I've
we're seeing that I can recall yeah

2434
03:24:38,580 --> 03:24:44,640
all right well let's just we'll find out
what they've been spraying or whatever

2435
03:24:42,080 --> 03:24:48,600
if you want to look at something Jim
I I can

2436
03:24:46,140 --> 03:24:52,620
um all right we can call them about my
concern without even going out there

2437
03:24:49,920 --> 03:24:55,560
obviously is that repair uh the dead
grass which we want to incur that until

2438
03:24:54,180 --> 03:24:58,859
the summer anyway
um and

2439
03:24:56,939 --> 03:25:03,060
without looking there was a couple of
holes and not holes but a couple large

2440
03:25:01,680 --> 03:25:07,560
exhibits in the middle of the field
where they tend to play a lot and I

2441
03:25:05,939 --> 03:25:10,319
don't know that that has been repaired
that probably needs to be repaired as

2442
03:25:09,000 --> 03:25:16,140
well and I don't know if that's
considered inside the contract or is

2443
03:25:12,840 --> 03:25:19,800
that an additional repair but Derek can
probably tell me is there not a couple

2444
03:25:17,700 --> 03:25:25,800
places on the middle of the field out
there there are where you know the wear

2445
03:25:23,640 --> 03:25:31,859
and tear is not level anymore I think
two years ago we had to have them come

2446
03:25:27,600 --> 03:25:36,600
out and just resand some areas just
and I do think that was an additional

2447
03:25:33,720 --> 03:25:42,000
charge but uh
yeah okay okay so I'll I'll get with you

2448
03:25:39,899 --> 03:25:46,140
Jimmy and we'll decide who's going to
call him and what we're going to happen

2449
03:25:43,520 --> 03:25:50,399
all right I mean you know if you got an
alternative look at it like I said I

2450
03:25:48,060 --> 03:25:54,420
just don't want to I just don't want to
let the you know realize and all that

2451
03:25:53,100 --> 03:25:56,340
you got to do this stuff at a certain
time of year

2452
03:25:55,500 --> 03:26:00,600
that's correct
[Music]

2453
03:25:58,380 --> 03:26:04,140
if we have questions let's give him an
opportunity to make it right that's all

2454
03:26:02,279 --> 03:26:10,100
I'm saying
okay

2455
03:26:06,479 --> 03:26:10,100
any more discussion

2456
03:26:12,479 --> 03:26:18,800
do we have that discussion we currently
don't have a contract with them so yeah

2457
03:26:20,279 --> 03:26:27,899
I would I would be interested in
just just to throw it out there the

2458
03:26:25,800 --> 03:26:31,260
repairs like like the small ones inside
the middle of the inside the playing

2459
03:26:29,340 --> 03:26:36,180
surface that that be worked into the
contract so now so it's kept up on a

2460
03:26:34,620 --> 03:26:41,340
regular basis without it getting too far
out of hand that we have to

2461
03:26:38,040 --> 03:26:45,120
hating to do it maybe a suggestion and
maybe you already do this but is there a

2462
03:26:43,319 --> 03:26:48,140
log of current contracts that we're in
and when they expire

2463
03:26:49,620 --> 03:26:52,580
oh I'm sorry

2464
03:26:53,580 --> 03:26:59,340
I haven't had an opportunity to work and
Miss Martin that's cool I know you're

2465
03:26:57,720 --> 03:27:03,359
busy but but that's just an opportunity
for improvement for the future

2466
03:27:00,859 --> 03:27:07,680
absolutely so we can stay
because I feel like I was just yesterday

2467
03:27:05,700 --> 03:27:16,880
when we voted for these guys again time
flies you know so uh uh but anyway

2468
03:27:13,080 --> 03:27:16,880
we've beat this one pretty good

2469
03:27:18,000 --> 03:27:26,819
all right any further discussion
consideration of a request

2470
03:27:24,779 --> 03:27:34,380
excuse me discussion and approval of
dates for Budget workshops physical uh

2471
03:27:30,120 --> 03:27:34,380
physical year 23 24 budget

2472
03:27:34,680 --> 03:27:43,140
yes Kim you got the dates I do
um guys I sent you an email January the

2473
03:27:39,720 --> 03:27:49,500
17th uh proposing these dates for the
budget workshops fiscal year 23-24

2474
03:27:47,279 --> 03:27:53,520
um I base these dates on kind of what we
scheduled for the budget workshops for

2475
03:27:51,239 --> 03:27:58,680
22 23.
um and I have proposed Thursday March

2476
03:27:57,359 --> 03:28:07,200
the second
April the 6th and May 4th

2477
03:28:02,580 --> 03:28:11,460
of 2023 and I was assuming seven o'clock
if that's good with you guys or

2478
03:28:09,779 --> 03:28:15,359
um I'm just asking
you know seven o'clock or all of these

2479
03:28:13,140 --> 03:28:20,540
Thursdays they are Thursday they're the
first Thursdays of each month

2480
03:28:17,399 --> 03:28:20,540
of these months

2481
03:28:22,760 --> 03:28:26,540
good as any for me

2482
03:28:26,580 --> 03:28:32,100
do we need to make a motion on this or
just accept it

2483
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:36,000
I think we need to make a motion
I make a motion we adopt this

2484
03:28:33,840 --> 03:28:38,420
recommended dates for the budget
Workshop

2485
03:28:38,460 --> 03:28:45,060
if you would reference Miss thacker's
email dated January 17th 23 regarding

2486
03:28:44,040 --> 03:28:50,840
this
as stated in Miss thacker's email of

2487
03:28:49,020 --> 03:28:56,100
January 17
2023. thank you I'll second

2488
03:28:54,359 --> 03:28:59,220
any discussion
Jim

2489
03:28:58,020 --> 03:29:04,399
aye Derek
aye Jimmy

2490
03:29:00,439 --> 03:29:04,399
all right and I'm I

2491
03:29:04,739 --> 03:29:17,660
consideration of a uh of a request for
proposal art RFP for audit firms for

2492
03:29:12,000 --> 03:29:17,660
physical 2022 to 2023 Financial records

2493
03:29:19,800 --> 03:29:28,319
um
I sent you guys an email February 4th

2494
03:29:25,380 --> 03:29:33,359
um regarding this that you guys voted
unanimously in the July 14th 22 Town

2495
03:29:31,620 --> 03:29:37,439
council meeting for the finance officer
to reach out to four other accounting

2496
03:29:34,920 --> 03:29:41,760
auditing firms to solicit proposals for
the next year's Town audit councilman

2497
03:29:40,200 --> 03:29:45,120
Jones requested an amendment to the
emotion that Council reviewed the list

2498
03:29:43,380 --> 03:29:48,300
prior to mailing out the request for
proposals the amendment was accepted in

2499
03:29:47,160 --> 03:29:52,920
the motion
I mean

2500
03:29:50,160 --> 03:30:00,120
yeah it passed excuse me I sent a list
out to you guys on July 27th of 2022

2501
03:29:56,220 --> 03:30:03,660
with the six audit auditing firms and
you also should have a copy of those

2502
03:30:02,160 --> 03:30:08,520
firm
in your packet as well you will also

2503
03:30:06,180 --> 03:30:11,939
find the RFP I wish to send out to the
auditing firms the town of Stokesdale

2504
03:30:10,319 --> 03:30:17,460
has used this RFP in the past for
auditing proposals

2505
03:30:14,700 --> 03:30:21,420
so um I don't know if you guys have had
time to look over this

2506
03:30:19,920 --> 03:30:26,520
I have
okay I I do want to remove Ralph's Rouse

2507
03:30:24,420 --> 03:30:31,260
and Gardner from this list
they've been for one thing I've already

2508
03:30:28,620 --> 03:30:36,479
been performing our old all it for a
number of years it's time to switch as a

2509
03:30:34,560 --> 03:30:39,479
best practice
okay done

2510
03:30:37,920 --> 03:30:42,620
done any object if there's any no
objection from Council

2511
03:30:48,420 --> 03:30:52,220
is there any further discussion are we

2512
03:30:54,420 --> 03:31:01,920
I already have that on there Mr Jones
you had requested um that I had uh send

2513
03:31:00,180 --> 03:31:06,180
one to Gibson and Company they were
actually on my list already is that I

2514
03:31:04,560 --> 03:31:11,880
was wondering if they were not already
yes they were already on there well

2515
03:31:08,460 --> 03:31:14,300
forgive the redone this it's okay
that's it

2516
03:31:15,500 --> 03:31:20,540
they might come in cheaper than
theirselves

2517
03:31:39,720 --> 03:31:43,880
we're in a motion as we already made a
motion

2518
03:31:48,180 --> 03:31:56,220
it'll be clear here this does not
necessarily mean if we were contacted by

2519
03:31:53,760 --> 03:32:00,239
an auditing firm that was not on this
list we would allow them to quote this

2520
03:31:58,859 --> 03:32:06,020
work correct
correct any anything I received I would

2521
03:32:02,939 --> 03:32:06,020
definitely bring to council

2522
03:32:09,060 --> 03:32:15,120
but if there's anyone else that
you guys would like to add you know just

2523
03:32:13,680 --> 03:32:17,960
let me know the information I'll be
happy to send out

2524
03:32:20,160 --> 03:32:29,460
these were closest around the area
that's why these are the ones I chose

2525
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:32,700
we've requesting a one-year contract
um if you look on oop I did not number

2526
03:32:31,319 --> 03:32:39,300
the pages one
it's actually the second page of the RFP

2527
03:32:36,479 --> 03:32:46,319
um it does say that the annual these
would be for 22 the 23 24 and 25 fiscal

2528
03:32:43,800 --> 03:32:51,000
year however
um it also stated in there

2529
03:32:48,899 --> 03:32:54,840
that
the town of Stokesdale reserves the

2530
03:32:53,040 --> 03:32:57,660
right to request proposals at any time
following the first year of this

2531
03:32:56,220 --> 03:33:02,939
contract
so it's given you the option after a new

2532
03:33:00,840 --> 03:33:08,340
Council will have the option to do that
per this RFP yes because they have to

2533
03:33:05,819 --> 03:33:14,300
send those contracts like Mr Rouse would
send those each year to us

2534
03:33:10,260 --> 03:33:14,300
for Council to accept and approve

2535
03:33:15,600 --> 03:33:22,560
this is a suggestion for a second year
and a third year but correct yes just an

2536
03:33:21,000 --> 03:33:27,359
option yes owners will not telling
anybody else a hands it says each year

2537
03:33:24,840 --> 03:33:32,960
after negotiations have taken place an
annual contract documenting the terms of

2538
03:33:29,279 --> 03:33:32,960
the audit will be signed

2539
03:33:33,420 --> 03:33:39,540
since one governing board may not
obligate future governing boards the

2540
03:33:38,160 --> 03:33:42,899
remaining years of the agreement are
subject to annual governing board

2541
03:33:40,859 --> 03:33:45,560
approval good good that's good enough
yeah it's in there

2542
03:33:49,560 --> 03:33:57,800
I'll make a motion that we have staff
follow through and send the fps to this

2543
03:33:54,840 --> 03:33:57,800
this list

2544
03:33:59,340 --> 03:34:08,399
I'm trying to I guess this list was
attached to uh February 4th 2023 email

2545
03:34:05,580 --> 03:34:12,739
Miss Thacker yes you also received it on
July 27th okay Jessica

2546
03:34:13,859 --> 03:34:22,140
that's my motion
and I second it got it okay any further

2547
03:34:20,220 --> 03:34:30,540
discussion
any further discussion

2548
03:34:24,720 --> 03:34:32,720
Jim hi Derek hi Jimmy hi Tim hi and I am
I

2549
03:34:39,300 --> 03:34:47,700
consideration of appointment
reappointment to the planning board

2550
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:52,920
two-year term to expire on 1-1 2025.
I'll make a motion to reappoint Michael

2551
03:34:50,160 --> 03:34:56,479
threatt for an additional
term to 2025

2552
03:34:57,720 --> 03:35:01,460
is there a second now second

2553
03:35:02,120 --> 03:35:08,819
any discussion
Jim

2554
03:35:07,260 --> 03:35:13,200
aye Derek
aye Jimmy

2555
03:35:09,899 --> 03:35:16,680
aye Tim hi and I am I
adoption of a final version of the

2556
03:35:14,939 --> 03:35:23,120
Stokesdale planning board rules and
procedures

2557
03:35:18,660 --> 03:35:23,120
is this in our packet yes

2558
03:35:26,700 --> 03:35:34,439
this is simply an attempt to clean the
document up the same as with the rules

2559
03:35:30,960 --> 03:35:38,520
and the separation of Duty's policy we
found multiple copies with

2560
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:43,200
strikethroughs just to make it simple
for everybody to know what exactly was

2561
03:35:40,560 --> 03:35:47,340
approved by Council we cleaned the
document up if you want to make

2562
03:35:44,640 --> 03:35:52,340
Amendments of course you can do that as
well but that's what this document is

2563
03:35:54,720 --> 03:36:00,660
yeah I don't want to make any amendments
but but I would like I think we

2564
03:35:58,620 --> 03:36:06,600
discussed this some of us
when we do get a final documents final

2565
03:36:03,479 --> 03:36:11,700
sign the mayor and everything if you
would send it in an email but this is

2566
03:36:08,640 --> 03:36:15,000
the final document done on this date to
us and I'd like to minutes to be that

2567
03:36:13,560 --> 03:36:19,739
way and everything that way we don't
ever have not that we've had any

2568
03:36:16,140 --> 03:36:23,460
problems you know but that way we have a
something to go back to we say well this

2569
03:36:22,020 --> 03:36:28,140
is it and then we can take that piece of
paper and if it's ever a question

2570
03:36:25,260 --> 03:36:33,200
probably never will be again but that
way it takes that out of a couple

2571
03:36:29,880 --> 03:36:37,920
punches a button and absolutely
that would also serve to protect us a

2572
03:36:36,239 --> 03:36:41,279
little bit from a meltdown of the
computer system in the town hall here we

2573
03:36:39,899 --> 03:36:47,300
would have at least part of the
documents out there in the emails that's

2574
03:36:44,939 --> 03:36:47,300
great

2575
03:36:50,520 --> 03:36:52,640
okay

2576
03:36:56,819 --> 03:37:06,140
well I'll make a motion that we approve
the planning board rules and procedures

2577
03:37:02,160 --> 03:37:06,140
as presented by

2578
03:37:06,359 --> 03:37:15,540
staff and um
they'd be emailed to us once they're

2579
03:37:12,840 --> 03:37:21,560
finalized and signed off by the mayor to
be effective February 9 2025 if you

2580
03:37:18,779 --> 03:37:21,560
would exhibit

2581
03:37:21,660 --> 03:37:29,819
any further discussion
Jim

2582
03:37:26,040 --> 03:37:33,420
ah Derek aye Jimmy uh-huh Tim all right
and I am I discussion and approval of

2583
03:37:32,520 --> 03:37:37,620
inter
local

2584
03:37:34,859 --> 03:37:44,120
agreement Guilford County contract
number nine zero zero zero four nine six

2585
03:37:40,560 --> 03:37:48,300
three American Rescue plan Act of 2021
coronavirus state and local fiscal

2586
03:37:46,380 --> 03:37:52,819
recovery funds agreement between
Guilford County and the town of

2587
03:37:50,220 --> 03:37:52,819
Stokesdale

2588
03:37:52,920 --> 03:38:02,340
is it go ahead Derek sir yeah sure I I
added this to the agenda back in the

2589
03:37:59,700 --> 03:38:07,680
county uh officially approved with a
vote of their Board of Commissioners uh

2590
03:38:05,160 --> 03:38:12,779
the interlocal arpa agreements you know
between the town of Stokesdale Oak Ridge

2591
03:38:09,300 --> 03:38:16,439
uh and Summerfield and this vote would
be to officially enter into the

2592
03:38:15,000 --> 03:38:24,600
interlocal agreement with Guilford
County uh with the 3.1 ish million

2593
03:38:21,720 --> 03:38:29,819
dollar uh grant that the county received
through the federal government and is

2594
03:38:27,120 --> 03:38:32,600
allocating for the town for water system
improvements

2595
03:38:34,200 --> 03:38:41,640
and this is the same document that Mr
Winfrey has painstakingly reviewed

2596
03:38:39,960 --> 03:38:46,859
great
and there were revisions made

2597
03:38:44,580 --> 03:38:51,600
not only requested by Stokesdale by
other towns too we had made some changes

2598
03:38:48,779 --> 03:38:55,200
to and the Commissioners adopted
the most important those changes when

2599
03:38:53,460 --> 03:38:58,979
back in January
great

2600
03:38:57,180 --> 03:39:02,939
I've read over this document isn't it
and I'm no attorney is there any hitches

2601
03:39:01,500 --> 03:39:08,399
that you found in this document that
could that would cause us to have to uh

2602
03:39:06,960 --> 03:39:11,600
I don't know so they put apartment
buildings in or anything like that or do

2603
03:39:10,680 --> 03:39:16,560
I'm sorry
are there any hitches in the in the

2604
03:39:13,920 --> 03:39:20,880
contract strings that could cause us to
you know have to uh well we'll have to

2605
03:39:19,080 --> 03:39:24,779
comply when we're spending this money
we'll have to comply with the federal

2606
03:39:22,439 --> 03:39:30,720
rules as it relates to Contracting so
we'll have to so it's not there are some

2607
03:39:28,620 --> 03:39:34,140
Federal requirements
because you're seeing Federal money so

2608
03:39:32,220 --> 03:39:37,020
you have to
um

2609
03:39:34,800 --> 03:39:41,520
some other somewhat ridiculous I think
but you have to make sure the

2610
03:39:38,939 --> 03:39:46,319
contractors make sure that their drivers
use seat belts or everything else in the

2611
03:39:44,340 --> 03:39:49,380
world that a federal contractor has to
do but it's not like we'd have to put in

2612
03:39:47,640 --> 03:39:53,760
public housing that's right I know
that's what I'm talking about I mean

2613
03:39:51,720 --> 03:39:57,120
there's there's nothing to pay for it
there's nothing in here that's going to

2614
03:39:55,500 --> 03:40:00,960
cause us to have to do anything with our
Zone and land planting or anything like

2615
03:39:58,859 --> 03:40:04,100
that not you see no I think we're fine
so okay

2616
03:40:06,840 --> 03:40:11,479
I don't recall that no I don't believe I
saw that in here

2617
03:40:22,319 --> 03:40:27,200
because it is federal I mean that's on
the federal level right

2618
03:40:30,840 --> 03:40:38,779
I didn't see anything
right yeah I think yeah I don't recall

2619
03:40:36,060 --> 03:40:38,779
that being in here

2620
03:40:38,880 --> 03:40:46,439
I make a motion that we uh adopt the
Guilford County contract number nine

2621
03:40:43,800 --> 03:40:52,500
zero zero zero four nine six three
American Rescue plan Act of 2021.

2622
03:40:50,520 --> 03:40:59,220
I'll second that motion
it's ready for the discussion

2623
03:40:55,100 --> 03:41:03,920
let us rest the mayor to sign it
the contract

2624
03:41:01,140 --> 03:41:03,920
s uh

2625
03:41:14,819 --> 03:41:22,080
okay authorized the mayor and Miss
Thacker to sign it

2626
03:41:20,040 --> 03:41:26,700
second we want to keep you all out of
jail after all well I don't I want to go

2627
03:41:24,479 --> 03:41:33,060
to Atlanta Jim
uh Derek uh Jimmy uh

2628
03:41:30,720 --> 03:41:37,020
and I am I
consideration of job description of

2629
03:41:35,399 --> 03:41:41,340
part-time administrative assistant
position

2630
03:41:39,420 --> 03:41:45,859
I've already signed off on this with Ms
Martin I don't know if anyone else has

2631
03:41:42,779 --> 03:41:45,859
had a chance to look at it

2632
03:41:48,300 --> 03:41:54,840
yeah I'm okay with a job description and
I think it's good to have a job

2633
03:41:53,160 --> 03:41:57,660
description in place and this is
something I think we need to discuss in

2634
03:41:56,460 --> 03:42:02,279
the budget meetings and how we're going
to budget if we're even going to move

2635
03:41:59,760 --> 03:42:06,300
forward with this I see the value in
doing that

2636
03:42:04,500 --> 03:42:11,279
but all we're voting for tonight is a
job description is that correct that is

2637
03:42:08,340 --> 03:42:15,720
correct my one concern and it all that I
discussed with Miss Martin was just

2638
03:42:13,260 --> 03:42:22,680
simply to be sure that whoever we hired
had the necessary skills and uh

2639
03:42:18,600 --> 03:42:28,140
wondering how we would determine uh
their qualifications based on their

2640
03:42:24,720 --> 03:42:34,640
ability for for example the words per
minute uh with their typing skills

2641
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:34,640
and so uh

2642
03:42:34,739 --> 03:42:41,880
I have I would want to make sure that
whoever we hire is is you know an

2643
03:42:40,020 --> 03:42:47,580
employee at will and and there's some
probationary periods wherein we could uh

2644
03:42:44,700 --> 03:42:51,779
assess their performance and and if it
wasn't uh what the town needed that we

2645
03:42:50,520 --> 03:42:59,420
would uh
uh be able to uh look for somebody else

2646
03:42:56,100 --> 03:43:05,220
to Mr foy's point we uh
uh we haven't even decided yet to uh

2647
03:43:03,479 --> 03:43:07,819
fill this position since we're
discussing that

2648
03:43:08,220 --> 03:43:14,700
well I'm just I also agree with Tim
maybe uh you know of course resume will

2649
03:43:12,600 --> 03:43:21,620
be able to see you know real life and
practical experience uh also some

2650
03:43:17,520 --> 03:43:21,620
reference checks what need to happen

2651
03:43:24,000 --> 03:43:30,840
any further discussion
we'll call me on

2652
03:43:28,680 --> 03:43:36,060
discuss with Mr Jones some type of
typing test

2653
03:43:32,580 --> 03:43:41,160
if we do a speed test we would have to
get something offline that's right but

2654
03:43:38,279 --> 03:43:48,660
what I'm familiar with is creating some
scenarios and having someone compose

2655
03:43:45,479 --> 03:43:53,700
some letters create some spreadsheets
these are the type things that we would

2656
03:43:50,700 --> 03:43:58,460
need somebody to help us with and so
that's easily done and we can we'll be

2657
03:43:56,340 --> 03:44:04,859
glad to do that yeah
are you okay with this document is this

2658
03:44:02,160 --> 03:44:09,779
she authored it yes you authored it so
you're and I need it filled tomorrow

2659
03:44:06,840 --> 03:44:14,300
yeah I just wanted to make sure that we
got somebody that's really going to be

2660
03:44:11,340 --> 03:44:14,300
of some help to you

2661
03:44:18,120 --> 03:44:26,160
all right I'll make a motion we adopt
the job description

2662
03:44:22,680 --> 03:44:30,239
I'll second it for the uh Administrative
Assistant I was still second

2663
03:44:28,800 --> 03:44:37,080
Mr Rigsby
aye Mr Floyd aye Mr Landry aye Mr Jones

2664
03:44:34,140 --> 03:44:44,399
aye I am also I
Council comment we got one more um two

2665
03:44:40,080 --> 03:44:47,819
more than Tim added yeah increase
the increase plan review and respect

2666
03:44:46,260 --> 03:44:53,779
inspections I can't even read my own
writing am I right Tim

2667
03:44:49,920 --> 03:44:53,779
you know I think so Mr Mayor

2668
03:44:58,620 --> 03:45:05,720
we we've talked about this indirectly
you know several times this evening

2669
03:45:03,359 --> 03:45:05,720
already

2670
03:45:05,939 --> 03:45:15,660
what we are currently paying to have
Hazen and Saudi review plans and conduct

2671
03:45:12,239 --> 03:45:20,880
inspections is significantly more than
the amount of in in a way of a fee we

2672
03:45:18,540 --> 03:45:26,160
are collecting from the developer
and and I think it would be appropriate

2673
03:45:23,160 --> 03:45:31,800
to to raise these charges and do you
know put those costs where they belong

2674
03:45:28,859 --> 03:45:36,720
I don't know exactly what they should be
raised to I hope maybe someone on

2675
03:45:34,140 --> 03:45:40,500
Council has got a good idea
um

2676
03:45:38,520 --> 03:45:46,460
Miss Thacker Miss Martin do you know
what we're currently charging for review

2677
03:45:42,779 --> 03:45:46,460
of plans and they're like 400

2678
03:45:47,520 --> 03:45:52,819
maybe somebody needs to defeat schedule
real quick

2679
03:45:57,560 --> 03:46:05,640
so anyhow I think that plan review
charge has got to go way up and then I

2680
03:46:03,660 --> 03:46:09,739
want to charge something per lineal foot
to conduct the inspections

2681
03:46:11,880 --> 03:46:20,600
it seems like we used to charge a dollar
a foot I don't know why that sticks in

2682
03:46:16,979 --> 03:46:20,600
my mind for the inspections

2683
03:46:32,279 --> 03:46:35,239
logically

2684
03:46:36,420 --> 03:46:42,260
did Mr Ford go to get the schedule I'm
not sure where he went

2685
03:46:42,960 --> 03:46:46,090
[Music]

2686
03:46:47,220 --> 03:46:54,120
what do you propose when we raise it to
well that's a problem I haven't done the

2687
03:46:51,779 --> 03:46:59,220
math backwards to see what we really
need to need to charge but I just know

2688
03:46:57,600 --> 03:47:04,560
that what we're currently charging is
not even beginning to cover those cost

2689
03:47:01,140 --> 03:47:09,180
outlays for the engineers yes sir yeah
well we need to it needs to be the uh

2690
03:47:07,200 --> 03:47:13,500
you know whatever the cost per foot or
whatever

2691
03:47:11,040 --> 03:47:20,479
um well it's you know we're we're
charging 400 and it's costing thousands

2692
03:47:16,080 --> 03:47:20,479
and thousands for this process

2693
03:47:22,380 --> 03:47:25,640
well I appreciate that

2694
03:47:30,540 --> 03:47:39,479
bear with me I wasn't prepared for that
schedule in the absence of other any

2695
03:47:37,920 --> 03:47:43,640
other information I'm going to propose
that we charge a dollar a foot for the

2696
03:47:41,279 --> 03:47:43,640
inspection

2697
03:47:45,120 --> 03:47:48,620
did you come back with the answer

2698
03:47:49,080 --> 03:47:52,399
where he went actually

2699
03:47:56,040 --> 03:48:02,640
I think they only have found it I know
I've got it in one of these folders

2700
03:48:00,239 --> 03:48:05,520
well I saw your proposal again I don't
think Mr before we got to hear you he

2701
03:48:04,140 --> 03:48:09,960
was
a little message Mr Foley I want to

2702
03:48:07,979 --> 03:48:15,239
charge a dollar a foot to conduct the
inspections or per lineal foot of water

2703
03:48:12,479 --> 03:48:21,479
main that's an easy number to obtain
because it's on the the application to

2704
03:48:18,540 --> 03:48:25,739
DEQ plan review so we know we're always
going to know how many feet of water

2705
03:48:23,279 --> 03:48:29,880
main are going into a project
well it makes sense and you know when

2706
03:48:27,420 --> 03:48:33,960
you look at uh
the inspection the cash out late we're

2707
03:48:31,560 --> 03:48:38,040
inspecting on that you know and the new
subdivisions were doing I don't know I

2708
03:48:36,120 --> 03:48:41,580
may be completely wrong but it seems
like our

2709
03:48:39,420 --> 03:48:46,319
previous charge for that was a dollar a
foot Mr Jones well what specifically was

2710
03:48:44,580 --> 03:48:51,540
your question which one plant plan
review what's our charge in our schedule

2711
03:48:48,479 --> 03:48:56,300
fees side plan review fees one thousand
dollars per case plus plus one hundred

2712
03:48:54,479 --> 03:49:01,500
dollars per
1000 square feet

2713
03:48:58,939 --> 03:49:06,420
now this that's for zoning gross
flooring yeah is that what

2714
03:49:03,899 --> 03:49:11,040
that stoning we're talking about our
water system plans

2715
03:49:08,840 --> 03:49:16,279
it's either four or five hundred dollars
they all agree

2716
03:49:13,380 --> 03:49:16,279
that sound right

2717
03:49:16,760 --> 03:49:22,140
up however we want to do it I mean or do
we

2718
03:49:20,520 --> 03:49:25,439
or you just want to be simple and just
add a dollar a foot hundred dollars per

2719
03:49:23,939 --> 03:49:30,680
plant we need to do I've caused the
water customers

2720
03:49:27,319 --> 03:49:36,120
500. staff says 500. that's a good point
oh that's what what's going on I'm going

2721
03:49:33,479 --> 03:49:40,920
to I'm going to propose we we raised
that to 1500 for a major subdivision and

2722
03:49:38,640 --> 03:49:44,060
a dollar a foot linear foot for the
inspection fee

2723
03:49:46,800 --> 03:49:52,800
that's your motion yes sir where's your
justification for the 50 you say it was

2724
03:49:50,880 --> 03:49:59,819
but because we're bleeding a lot of
money no no I'm not I don't want to uh

2725
03:49:57,720 --> 03:50:04,739
I see where the dollar foot's going but
I mean what's the you're going from four

2726
03:50:02,279 --> 03:50:08,819
to fifteen hundred five to Fifteen five
to fifteen hundred yeah it's a

2727
03:50:06,359 --> 03:50:13,800
considerable amount of of work for the
engineer to do the interaction between

2728
03:50:10,760 --> 03:50:18,779
Town staff the developer and the
developers Engineers uh there's a

2729
03:50:16,979 --> 03:50:22,979
there's a lot of time expended in
communication between those parties that

2730
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:27,779
we're paying for
would it would it not make more sense to

2731
03:50:26,279 --> 03:50:33,479
simply
just pass the entire bill over to the

2732
03:50:30,540 --> 03:50:37,380
contractor through through an agreement
that says you'll be responsible for all

2733
03:50:35,520 --> 03:50:42,180
fees related to the inspection process
and that way we're not shorting

2734
03:50:39,479 --> 03:50:48,000
ourselves or overcharging not a bad idea
Mr Rick just do it but you know we have

2735
03:50:46,080 --> 03:50:51,180
to turn it over to Mr Winfrey if we
don't get the money if we get the money

2736
03:50:49,620 --> 03:50:54,300
first
then we got the money first that's a

2737
03:50:53,520 --> 03:50:58,080
good point
I don't want to charge folks I'm going

2738
03:50:56,160 --> 03:51:02,160
to pay their way well you could do a
deposit and then

2739
03:51:00,060 --> 03:51:05,819
well due to deposit into their
responsible the other issue would be

2740
03:51:04,140 --> 03:51:09,899
with that there'd be make it difficult
for you know a developer that's in

2741
03:51:07,979 --> 03:51:14,700
business to determine what their you
know their costs are going to be uh if

2742
03:51:12,660 --> 03:51:18,420
if we just say well hey you know we're
going to have this service provided and

2743
03:51:16,500 --> 03:51:21,300
you're going to pay the bill and they're
going to say well how much you think

2744
03:51:19,500 --> 03:51:24,000
it'll be and we're going to say well we
don't know but here's what the last one

2745
03:51:23,100 --> 03:51:29,100
cost
you see what I mean

2746
03:51:26,300 --> 03:51:33,859
yeah there's no predictability though
those are both good points however

2747
03:51:31,859 --> 03:51:33,859
um

2748
03:51:34,080 --> 03:51:39,300
I don't know what could the engineering
firm not tell us

2749
03:51:37,680 --> 03:51:44,520
you know could they not look at and say
okay this is going to cost you

2750
03:51:41,939 --> 03:51:49,500
I don't know I mean I kind of think we
need to get get some kind of um

2751
03:51:47,100 --> 03:51:53,819
cost basis from the engineering firm to
base this

2752
03:51:50,700 --> 03:51:59,600
proposal off of how they base their fee
to us and we should base our fee to them

2753
03:51:55,939 --> 03:52:04,800
we're spending uh
three four five thousand dollars a pop

2754
03:52:02,460 --> 03:52:09,300
basically right I don't I don't disagree
I'm just saying whatever whatever logic

2755
03:52:07,080 --> 03:52:14,520
that the engineering firm charges we
need to pass that same logic and down

2756
03:52:11,580 --> 03:52:20,399
and and time is passing here where we're
losing money progressively so this won't

2757
03:52:17,220 --> 03:52:23,120
fix it but but I feel like it's a shot
in the right direction

2758
03:52:23,880 --> 03:52:31,319
one of the other things uh we're
discussing with uh Hazen and Sawyer is

2759
03:52:28,979 --> 03:52:36,479
is using a uh
one of their vendors that does technical

2760
03:52:34,380 --> 03:52:40,140
inspections so we would still pay Hazen
and Sawyer but

2761
03:52:38,340 --> 03:52:44,100
they would hire a subcontractor
basically at a cheaper rate that would

2762
03:52:42,660 --> 03:52:48,479
go out and do the inspection and provide
us with a report and what have you so

2763
03:52:45,660 --> 03:52:54,920
we're hoping to to cut down on some cost
in that direction hadn't happened yet

2764
03:52:50,760 --> 03:52:54,920
but you know we're hoping to get there

2765
03:52:56,399 --> 03:53:03,779
but I guess my my question is does Hazen
and Sawyer have a method to how they

2766
03:53:01,200 --> 03:53:08,460
charge us is it by by the foot by the
size of the development by the how they

2767
03:53:06,960 --> 03:53:11,960
come up with us our charge us
engineering time by the hour

2768
03:53:12,600 --> 03:53:23,399
so and I have looked for other companies
everybody out there in this business is

2769
03:53:20,460 --> 03:53:27,660
very busy they're always happy to talk
about new work with us but they'll say

2770
03:53:25,859 --> 03:53:33,600
well you know we can't take anything
else for six months eight months a year

2771
03:53:30,239 --> 03:53:38,399
you know that's what I've experienced
um

2772
03:53:35,520 --> 03:53:42,840
I mean I called a number yeah I have no
issues with Hayes and Sawyer I just

2773
03:53:40,020 --> 03:53:46,680
they've got to have some
I don't know just maybe they could

2774
03:53:44,640 --> 03:53:50,939
advise us kind of a round number that
they think would be more suitable so so

2775
03:53:49,319 --> 03:53:54,960
we're not still shorting ourselves two
thousand dollars every time

2776
03:53:53,100 --> 03:53:59,760
maybe they could say hey you know the
minimum is probably going to be around

2777
03:53:56,479 --> 03:54:05,640
2500. they haven't indicated a
willingness to provide a quote for for

2778
03:54:02,279 --> 03:54:10,380
each one of these subdivisions we could
ask them I guess but just a round number

2779
03:54:08,100 --> 03:54:14,760
maybe that they think is a ballpark well
I I really I really don't know if it's

2780
03:54:12,540 --> 03:54:18,300
our to our advantage to ask them to
quote it because they're they're

2781
03:54:16,500 --> 03:54:22,080
basically writing insurance so they're
going to make sure they don't lose any

2782
03:54:19,680 --> 03:54:26,040
money yeah
that this

2783
03:54:26,399 --> 03:54:34,199
let's go over this for a minute
and make sure that

2784
03:54:32,160 --> 03:54:41,279
we understand or I understand and
everybody in TV World understands

2785
03:54:38,279 --> 03:54:46,500
they uh they have an engineer that seals
this right

2786
03:54:43,260 --> 03:54:49,560
that is correct the developer hires an
engineer that provides sealed drawings

2787
03:54:48,180 --> 03:54:54,899
yes
does that engineer have any

2788
03:54:52,560 --> 03:54:59,640
responsibility
yeah that's that's kind of a legal

2789
03:54:57,359 --> 03:55:04,199
question I think but I think so but we
sat Demand right there we seemed to it

2790
03:55:01,760 --> 03:55:07,260
when we have something go wrong it
doesn't seem to help that we have those

2791
03:55:05,819 --> 03:55:12,239
sealed drawings
well the engineer was worked for the

2792
03:55:09,479 --> 03:55:17,160
person who hired him so so they have the
person hired them can can come after

2793
03:55:14,279 --> 03:55:21,239
them we can't is that what you say no
we're not we're not having any privity

2794
03:55:18,840 --> 03:55:25,279
with that right
okay so they're not working for us

2795
03:55:28,920 --> 03:55:31,100
foreign

2796
03:55:31,920 --> 03:55:38,720
I'm open to suggestion here that's just
my motion did I get a second

2797
03:55:36,479 --> 03:55:43,979
I don't think we have a second well
restates your motion yes

2798
03:55:42,060 --> 03:55:47,220
Miss Martin would you restate my motion
I'm sorry I was just going to ask you

2799
03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:52,560
that I was switching from one doctor to
the next 1500 initial fee a dollar a

2800
03:55:51,479 --> 03:55:57,260
foot
for the main

2801
03:55:55,439 --> 03:56:02,600
it's a dollar foot for the inspection
and fifteen hundred dollars to review

2802
03:55:59,699 --> 03:56:07,439
the plan that we we review plans first
ask for any necessary changes go through

2803
03:56:05,520 --> 03:56:13,340
that process and then when the
installation happens the town conducts

2804
03:56:09,779 --> 03:56:13,340
an inspection do we have a second

2805
03:56:14,720 --> 03:56:19,100
oh I'll second it

2806
03:56:19,439 --> 03:56:28,800
any further discussion
Jim ah Derek hi Jimmy

2807
03:56:26,760 --> 03:56:36,060
hi Tim
hi and I am also I

2808
03:56:31,199 --> 03:56:41,160
okay uh what if I excuse me Mr Brewer I
didn't add an effective date is it is it

2809
03:56:38,880 --> 03:56:45,960
clear the tests effective immediately
Mr wimpy was it stated that way

2810
03:56:43,920 --> 03:56:50,399
yeah we'll make a motion and make it
effective of me well I'll make another

2811
03:56:47,460 --> 03:56:53,460
motion that the the two fees that we
just discussed the plan and review fee

2812
03:56:52,080 --> 03:56:59,600
of fifteen hundred dollars in system
inspection of a dollar per lineal foot

2813
03:56:56,279 --> 03:57:06,060
for water main uh will be effective
after this vote immediately does that

2814
03:57:02,640 --> 03:57:11,760
include somebody that's already
in the process process yes I want we

2815
03:57:09,300 --> 03:57:16,439
need the money
if if they want to make an argument that

2816
03:57:14,399 --> 03:57:20,939
they shouldn't pay it I you know that's
a

2817
03:57:17,840 --> 03:57:27,000
they can do that but we need the money
well I understand we need the money

2818
03:57:23,939 --> 03:57:31,979
so well but need the money because we
are currently spending the money let's

2819
03:57:29,640 --> 03:57:35,640
yeah but we're spending the money if if
you want under contract if we're under

2820
03:57:33,660 --> 03:57:39,439
contract with somebody
I don't know I mean I know

2821
03:57:39,479 --> 03:57:44,880
um
and believe me I want us to get paid and

2822
03:57:42,600 --> 03:57:50,880
and do this right
but um what Mr Winfrey when does it

2823
03:57:48,300 --> 03:57:54,120
become a contract well Mr I guess the
question is did you mean that for any

2824
03:57:52,500 --> 03:57:59,399
prospective applications that come in
but the ones that are already in under

2825
03:57:56,580 --> 03:58:05,819
the old fee schedule a lot of those fee
schedules we have some in progress but I

2826
03:58:02,640 --> 03:58:11,760
don't know what stage those are in and I
don't know uh

2827
03:58:08,300 --> 03:58:15,359
we haven't approved a
a plan for any of that but I assume they

2828
03:58:13,979 --> 03:58:19,560
would have made paid fees when they
submitted the submitted the plans for

2829
03:58:17,340 --> 03:58:25,080
review right if we have somebody that's
paid already submitted I think the I

2830
03:58:23,100 --> 03:58:31,140
mean that's I think Mr Lambert's point
is valid if they've already paid the the

2831
03:58:27,660 --> 03:58:35,760
500 fee than they have uh escaped our
our increase but would that be that

2832
03:58:34,140 --> 03:58:41,819
that's right so I would just make it for
a perspective for any new applications

2833
03:58:38,600 --> 03:58:44,220
if they if they have a receipt then they
have a receipt they don't have the

2834
03:58:43,020 --> 03:58:49,020
receipt and they've just been talking
about it then if they they haven't paid

2835
03:58:47,220 --> 03:58:51,439
under the old regime do they pay in the
new regime

2836
03:58:53,100 --> 03:59:00,500
thank you do you need to clarify your
motion no Jimmy has made a good point I

2837
03:58:57,840 --> 03:59:00,500
think we're good

2838
03:59:01,560 --> 03:59:06,239
Jim
aye Derek aye Jimmy

2839
03:59:05,160 --> 03:59:11,060
aye Tim
aye and I'm also I I'm sorry who

2840
03:59:08,399 --> 03:59:11,060
seconded that

2841
03:59:11,699 --> 03:59:18,319
okay
Jimmy yeah

2842
03:59:16,140 --> 03:59:18,319
foreign

2843
03:59:19,500 --> 03:59:25,500
he's always promised to Second
everything so well yeah that's exactly

2844
03:59:23,640 --> 03:59:30,960
right if only second and I did that's
giving credit Mr Landreth I heard him

2845
03:59:27,899 --> 03:59:36,060
yes can't Step Up second I'll do it Eric
did the first one but yeah Derek the

2846
03:59:34,140 --> 03:59:40,760
first one but all right well I seconded
all right survey says we got a second

2847
03:59:37,920 --> 03:59:40,760
all right

2848
03:59:44,600 --> 03:59:51,899
let me do a couple of announcements the
town of Stokesdale town planning board

2849
03:59:49,080 --> 03:59:55,080
was there one more thing oh yeah well
The Vault I'm sorry there was I forgot

2850
03:59:53,760 --> 03:59:58,080
that one okay
um well

2851
04:00:00,359 --> 04:00:08,100
help me out Tim I can't read my writing
again Vault Discovery week water meters

2852
04:00:05,340 --> 04:00:13,739
I added an agenda item to discuss our
our water meter Vault protection

2853
04:00:10,939 --> 04:00:19,680
adjacent to driveways
now this is related to a recent case

2854
04:00:16,859 --> 04:00:25,020
that we we did some repairs on 68 at an
address because uh

2855
04:00:21,720 --> 04:00:29,399
ncdot cut a line and and then I think
ensco came along cut a line anyway the

2856
04:00:27,720 --> 04:00:34,500
long and the short of it is the property
owner has taken out their old concrete

2857
04:00:31,800 --> 04:00:40,500
driveway pipe and put in a new one the
the new Culvert is is longer thus the

2858
04:00:37,680 --> 04:00:46,800
width of the entrance of the driveway is
longer thus it's the flare in the edge

2859
04:00:43,920 --> 04:00:52,439
of the driveway is much closer to our
meter vault

2860
04:00:48,540 --> 04:00:58,100
I had some conversation with uh both
Gene with Yates construction and Aaron

2861
04:00:54,899 --> 04:00:58,100
Babson about this

2862
04:00:58,260 --> 04:01:05,580
we're not sure this is covered
specifically in the town specs at the

2863
04:01:03,239 --> 04:01:10,439
moment I do remember
there was a handout that came with the

2864
04:01:07,979 --> 04:01:16,080
original installation we're in
a citizen came to town hall received a

2865
04:01:13,140 --> 04:01:19,859
diagram a wooden stake with some blue
flagging on it and they followed the

2866
04:01:17,939 --> 04:01:22,859
diagram and went out and put the wooden
stake up where they wanted their meter

2867
04:01:21,420 --> 04:01:28,199
Vault located
and on that diagram it requires a

2868
04:01:25,800 --> 04:01:31,260
certain separation from the driveway
since I don't have it in hand I don't

2869
04:01:30,000 --> 04:01:35,699
know what that is
Mr Babson has suggested that three foot

2870
04:01:34,080 --> 04:01:41,460
is uh
an appropriate distance

2871
04:01:38,460 --> 04:01:48,020
what Mr Yates has suggested it excuse me
Mr Roberson Gene has suggested is that

2872
04:01:44,640 --> 04:01:53,100
we send a notice to that property owner
asking them to maintain a three foot

2873
04:01:50,760 --> 04:01:56,300
separation between their driveway and
our

2874
04:01:53,880 --> 04:02:00,420
meter vault
with some kind of stipulation that you

2875
04:01:58,979 --> 04:02:06,239
know should they run over it with a
vehicle that would be the the that cost

2876
04:02:04,020 --> 04:02:09,359
you know the town would still fix it but
that cost would be on them rather than

2877
04:02:08,100 --> 04:02:13,260
the town
uh

2878
04:02:10,979 --> 04:02:18,300
when we have this happen usually when
somebody runs over uh

2879
04:02:16,439 --> 04:02:24,060
a vault and a meter on the side of the
road it tends to be about 800 to 1200

2880
04:02:21,060 --> 04:02:28,739
dollars for the repair just
based on my fuzzy memory and so I'm

2881
04:02:26,880 --> 04:02:32,060
trying to avoid the town having to write
those kind of checks

2882
04:02:34,380 --> 04:02:41,040
and so I would like to make a motion
that we have the town staff draft the

2883
04:02:38,819 --> 04:02:43,460
necessary letter and send it certified
mail

2884
04:02:43,620 --> 04:02:53,239
regarding this issue
I'll suck at that motion

2885
04:02:49,199 --> 04:02:53,239
any discussion if somebody

2886
04:02:53,880 --> 04:03:00,239
I guess those are in the right of way
but if if somebody runs over

2887
04:02:58,800 --> 04:03:02,040
a vault
would would

2888
04:03:01,380 --> 04:03:06,540
um
but not the homeowner's insurance

2889
04:03:04,979 --> 04:03:10,979
take care of it and then if it was
somebody that ran off the road and you

2890
04:03:08,040 --> 04:03:15,120
knew who it was well conceivably an auto
insurance claim could be made if it

2891
04:03:13,020 --> 04:03:20,640
happened during a wreck or something
like that and uh if uh if it was

2892
04:03:18,060 --> 04:03:26,520
somebody engaged in employment for the
property owner you know like a tree

2893
04:03:23,520 --> 04:03:30,180
service maybe I would think
either they could make a claim to that

2894
04:03:28,680 --> 04:03:35,640
company or the claim that their
insurance to get it repaired

2895
04:03:32,279 --> 04:03:39,899
but you know point being that our little
water Enterprise fund I shouldn't really

2896
04:03:37,979 --> 04:03:43,140
have to have to pay for those kind of
Damages I'm not they're not even going

2897
04:03:41,580 --> 04:03:47,880
there I might be going further than what
you're talking about going okay

2898
04:03:45,239 --> 04:03:51,359
um if you were you know say you got a
tractor in your

2899
04:03:49,500 --> 04:03:54,479
mowing your yard with it you run over it
and bust it would the town be

2900
04:03:53,279 --> 04:04:00,180
responsible if it's out in the middle of
the yard

2901
04:03:55,380 --> 04:04:05,040
well these boxes are are designed to uh
I think they're they're suitable for a

2902
04:04:02,640 --> 04:04:09,420
riding lawn mower to drive over I don't
know the definition of tractor could

2903
04:04:06,840 --> 04:04:14,880
start to get heavy there but just normal
residential use with with uh

2904
04:04:12,720 --> 04:04:18,000
uh you know mowers and what have you I
think they'll hold that up but they

2905
04:04:16,380 --> 04:04:21,960
definitely they're you know definitely
they're plastic Lids are just not heavy

2906
04:04:19,979 --> 04:04:26,279
enough to hold up
a truck or a car or you know anything

2907
04:04:24,600 --> 04:04:31,939
heavy like that is they're going to
break and if and if it's wet it really

2908
04:04:29,160 --> 04:04:31,939
does make a mess

2909
04:04:32,160 --> 04:04:39,000
what would just wanted for clarification
would these letters be sent out to every

2910
04:04:36,720 --> 04:04:44,760
new customer or who were the letters go
to no this specific one I I okay

2911
04:04:42,260 --> 04:04:48,479
refrain from mentioned in this address
at the moment because I don't know what

2912
04:04:46,260 --> 04:04:53,819
the ramifications of that might be
but it's just a caution to to this

2913
04:04:52,080 --> 04:04:59,880
particular property owner because they
have widened their driveway toward

2914
04:04:57,779 --> 04:05:04,500
the meter box the meter box I have
pictures Mr Rigsby

2915
04:05:02,640 --> 04:05:07,040
now I just wanted to just make sure we
weren't going to send that out to every

2916
04:05:05,880 --> 04:05:10,020
customer
standpoint to be clear we're just

2917
04:05:08,880 --> 04:05:14,819
talking you just want to send one letter
just just one letter but but also to

2918
04:05:12,960 --> 04:05:19,680
make counsel and staff aware of this
problem and and you know so we can be

2919
04:05:17,520 --> 04:05:24,899
proactive and and hopefully not have to
address these things when you know it's

2920
04:05:22,920 --> 04:05:30,120
raining or bad weather and somebody's
run over a meter box and we have to call

2921
04:05:27,359 --> 04:05:33,960
Yates or whomever out to repair it and
our water Enterprise fund has to pay

2922
04:05:31,800 --> 04:05:37,160
that bill we we should be trying to
avoid that scenario

2923
04:05:37,979 --> 04:05:46,380
any further discussion
we have a motion and a second Jim

2924
04:05:42,779 --> 04:05:50,760
aye Derek hi Jimmy hi Tim hi and I am
also I let me do these announcements and

2925
04:05:49,080 --> 04:05:55,739
we'll go to council comments right after
the town uh town of Stokesdale town

2926
04:05:53,340 --> 04:06:01,399
planning board will hold a meeting here
in the town hall on February 21st 2023

2927
04:05:58,620 --> 04:06:06,660
at 7 pm
that is we just received word that's

2928
04:06:03,840 --> 04:06:10,199
been canceled thank you so much no
planning board meeting please disregard

2929
04:06:08,220 --> 04:06:17,340
that first announcement
the town of Stokesdale Town Council will

2930
04:06:13,380 --> 04:06:22,260
hold regular meeting March 9th 2023 at 7
pm right here

2931
04:06:19,140 --> 04:06:24,920
be there or be square uh Council
comments

2932
04:06:28,439 --> 04:06:34,920
I'm on full gold mine I think we've said
enough tonight yep I just want to remind

2933
04:06:32,340 --> 04:06:38,760
citizens that uh the town of Stokesdale
and town of Oak Ridge we are still

2934
04:06:37,080 --> 04:06:44,520
without representation on the school
board and the school board is in my

2935
04:06:41,520 --> 04:06:49,560
opinion acting illegally by blocking Mr
Logan's appointment uh duly right

2936
04:06:47,399 --> 04:06:54,600
appointment so it really concerns me
that we remain with that representation

2937
04:06:51,920 --> 04:06:57,960
wow two billion dollars of bond money is
being decided on how it's going to be

2938
04:06:55,979 --> 04:07:02,220
allocated because I don't see this
ending well for our our schools is there

2939
04:07:00,300 --> 04:07:08,939
anything we can do
well I'm hoping some citizens you know

2940
04:07:06,060 --> 04:07:13,140
might be as torqued up about as I am
I don't know

2941
04:07:11,460 --> 04:07:17,279
put together a resolution I mean that's
about all we can do

2942
04:07:15,720 --> 04:07:20,340
the resolution that we want some
representation

2943
04:07:18,439 --> 04:07:25,800
Summerfield need to do the same thing
well representative Hurst or his

2944
04:07:22,680 --> 04:07:30,720
proposed legislation to clarify the
statute and get that through but we'll

2945
04:07:28,380 --> 04:07:34,699
see if that happens yeah
maybe we need to put an attorney on it

2946
04:07:38,779 --> 04:07:44,420
check is
oh

2947
04:07:44,580 --> 04:07:50,880
wait that's all for me all right um the
only comment I'd like to make is thank

2948
04:07:49,260 --> 04:07:53,939
you all for sitting through this uh if
you'd like to leave you're certainly

2949
04:07:52,020 --> 04:07:58,859
welcome to we're going to go into closed
session well Mr Mayor

2950
04:07:56,420 --> 04:08:04,080
how come I never get to talk well you
didn't speak up well I was waiting my

2951
04:08:01,199 --> 04:08:10,500
turn patiently sorry uh Mr Marty
adjourned it go ahead thank you Mr Mayor

2952
04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:15,479
I'd like to Echo Mr foy's comments and
concerns about our lack of

2953
04:08:11,760 --> 04:08:21,779
representation with the school board
it's just a very unfortunate set of

2954
04:08:18,180 --> 04:08:27,140
circumstances it demonstrates a lack of
respect for the minority in Northwest

2955
04:08:24,359 --> 04:08:31,319
Guilford County in terms of numerically
and uh

2956
04:08:29,100 --> 04:08:35,100
doesn't speak well of the board when it
doesn't want to be sure everybody's

2957
04:08:33,359 --> 04:08:40,080
represented
I'd also like to thank our two citizens

2958
04:08:37,560 --> 04:08:46,859
that are still president are meeting a
little bit past 11 and uh with that I'll

2959
04:08:44,040 --> 04:08:51,720
I'll pass the devil back to Mr Mayor
sorry for the interruption uh uh Public

2960
04:08:49,199 --> 04:08:55,680
Announcement the Stokesdale Christian
Church is doing a fundraiser this

2961
04:08:53,460 --> 04:09:00,779
Saturday with uh
soup and sandwiches I believe so please

2962
04:08:59,040 --> 04:09:05,160
take part it's from five o'clock to
seven o'clock on Saturday

2963
04:09:02,699 --> 04:09:09,600
with that said
we're going into closed session do I

2964
04:09:07,020 --> 04:09:17,760
need to make a motion absolutely need to
make a motion for closed session in

2965
04:09:11,760 --> 04:09:17,760
accordance with 143 318 11.

2966
04:09:20,220 --> 04:09:26,340
do I need to clarify that just we need
to say the permitted purpose and I don't

2967
04:09:25,020 --> 04:09:29,100
even know why we're going in closed
session

2968
04:09:27,540 --> 04:09:32,580
I'm trying to client privilege well it
won't be long if we if we don't have

2969
04:09:30,840 --> 04:09:37,260
consultation with the attorney for on
legal matters okay yes that's right you

2970
04:09:35,160 --> 04:09:42,359
had asked for that
I'll second

2971
04:09:39,060 --> 04:09:46,859
uh permitted permitted purposes
its policy of the State closed session

2972
04:09:44,640 --> 04:09:50,699
shall be held only when required to
permit a public party to act in the

2973
04:09:48,600 --> 04:09:56,100
public interest as permitted in this
section the public body May hold a

2974
04:09:53,279 --> 04:10:02,300
closed session and exclude the public
only when a closed session is required

2975
04:09:59,580 --> 04:10:02,300
clear enough

2976
04:10:03,260 --> 04:10:08,939
for the permitted purpose of
attorney-client privilege Consulting

2977
04:10:07,620 --> 04:10:13,140
with the attorney Consulting with the
attorney about a legal matter okay

2978
04:10:11,399 --> 04:10:18,060
clarified
I made the motion got a second

2979
04:10:15,960 --> 04:10:24,380
five seconds already you second it
already ah Eric aye Jimmy uh Tim hi

2980
04:10:25,020 --> 04:10:27,500
hey

2981
04:10:53,939 --> 04:10:56,540
foreign

2982
04:11:50,939 --> 04:11:53,600
foreign

2983
04:12:40,620 --> 04:12:43,160
foreign

2984
04:13:22,680 --> 04:13:24,859
thank you

2985
04:14:07,340 --> 04:14:10,340
thank you

2986
04:14:35,359 --> 04:14:38,359
thank you

2987
04:15:42,000 --> 04:15:44,180
thank you

2988
04:17:12,060 --> 04:17:14,720
foreign

2989
04:17:31,800 --> 04:17:34,640
foreign

2990
04:18:21,600 --> 04:18:24,600
foreign

2991
04:19:58,560 --> 04:20:01,340
foreign

2992
04:20:11,939 --> 04:20:14,600
foreign

2993
04:21:28,080 --> 04:21:30,260
thank you

2994
04:23:14,760 --> 04:23:17,760
foreign

2995
04:24:16,800 --> 04:24:19,520
foreign

2996
04:25:13,800 --> 04:25:15,979
thank you

2997
04:25:23,580 --> 04:25:25,760
thank you

2998
04:26:46,560 --> 04:26:48,739
thank you

2999
04:26:59,580 --> 04:27:02,580
foreign

3000
04:28:13,979 --> 04:28:16,580
foreign

3001
04:29:29,939 --> 04:29:32,939
okay

3002
04:30:26,100 --> 04:30:29,100
foreign

3003
04:31:50,159 --> 04:31:52,340
thank you

3004
04:33:31,641 --> 04:33:34,641
thank you

3005
04:33:57,439 --> 04:34:00,439
thank you

3006
04:34:47,600 --> 04:34:52,020
foreign foreign

3007
04:35:56,039 --> 04:35:59,039
foreign

3008
04:36:30,799 --> 04:36:33,799
thank you

3009
04:39:33,000 --> 04:39:35,539
foreign

3010
04:41:21,000 --> 04:41:23,840
foreign

3011
04:42:40,878 --> 04:42:48,798
what do we say
commissioner what man what is it uh I

3012
04:42:45,958 --> 04:42:53,638
ain't got any titles Man Without a title
you didn't get that 150 hoodie they had

3013
04:42:51,540 --> 04:42:58,260
for sale now I bought this map oh this a
long time ago I got I got my first one

3014
04:42:55,980 --> 04:43:00,260
at the Greensboro show motion oh wait a
minute

3015
04:43:00,298 --> 04:43:04,458
I want to point out I'm sitting down for
you

3016
04:43:04,980 --> 04:43:07,980
ah

3017
04:43:10,440 --> 04:43:14,480
and we lose tea
yeah

3018
04:43:16,218 --> 04:43:23,060
sissies
I make a motion that we re-uh convene

3019
04:43:21,780 --> 04:43:28,378
second second
ah everybody that's nice

3020
04:43:26,400 --> 04:43:32,218
I without objection
Jim

3021
04:43:29,760 --> 04:43:38,520
I'm pushing to reconvene you good with
that no concession yeah

3022
04:43:34,980 --> 04:43:42,900
I make a motion to adjourn second
any discussion Jim

3023
04:43:41,760 --> 04:43:50,060
aye Jim
no okay Derek aye Jimmy

3024
04:43:46,798 --> 04:43:55,820
hi Tim
you did out of order and I'm uh