1 00:00:00,370 --> 00:00:21,310 All right. Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Stoneham Board of Appeals for Thursday, February 26th, 2026. My name is Tobin Shulman. I'm the chair of the board to my right is Michael Dufour, one of our regular members. It's my left. Sarah Sulman, another one of our regular members, some of it. Oh sorry. 2 00:00:24,450 --> 00:00:25,430 I'm getting old. 3 00:00:27,870 --> 00:00:29,630 Eric Rubin, forgive me. 4 00:00:29,630 --> 00:00:31,530 I know you haven't been here. 5 00:00:31,530 --> 00:00:32,150 You haven't been here. 6 00:00:32,270 --> 00:00:32,770 I haven't been here. 7 00:00:32,810 --> 00:00:33,590 It's been a couple of weeks. 8 00:00:35,450 --> 00:00:36,830 Excuse me, Mr. Rubin. 9 00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:37,630 You're a given. 10 00:00:38,970 --> 00:00:44,090 Then we have Kevin McLaughlin, our last regular member who's in attendance tonight. 11 00:00:44,230 --> 00:00:45,690 Bill Sullivan is an alternate member. 12 00:00:46,070 --> 00:00:48,970 He's going to sit on all the matters that are in front of us this evening. 13 00:00:51,490 --> 00:00:55,970 So the way that the hearings will go is I'll read the notice into the record. 14 00:00:56,830 --> 00:00:58,670 After we've read it into the record, 15 00:00:58,670 --> 00:01:07,410 I'll invite the applicant to make a brief statement to the board, explaining what relief they're looking for, the reasons for that relief, et cetera. 16 00:01:08,030 --> 00:01:13,030 And then the board will ask that applicant questions so that we understand what relief is being requested. 17 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:26,390 After the board has satisfied themselves as to what they need to know about the application, I will open it up to the public as the folks who would like to speak, raise their hands, wait to be acknowledged by myself as the chair. 18 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:32,670 Step up to the podium, identify yourself by name and address, and then make your statement. 19 00:01:32,990 --> 00:01:38,670 Ideally, to myself, again, as the chairman, communication flows to and from the board. 20 00:01:39,410 --> 00:01:44,010 Everyone who wants to speak, I will work my way around to everyone, so just please be patient. 21 00:01:44,170 --> 00:01:44,990 We will get to everyone. 22 00:01:45,570 --> 00:01:50,270 I do want to keep things moving along smoothly, so I ask that there not be a lot of crosstalk. 23 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:53,310 People don't argue with one another within the audience. 24 00:01:53,310 --> 00:01:56,910 It's just wait your turn, I will, make sure that everyone is heard. 25 00:01:57,750 --> 00:02:02,270 Once everyone who wants to be heard on a given matter has been heard, then we will close 26 00:02:02,270 --> 00:02:03,630 the public portion of the hearing. 27 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:08,450 The board will deliberate amongst ourselves, and then we typically render a decision the 28 00:02:08,450 --> 00:02:09,050 night of the hearing. 29 00:02:09,490 --> 00:02:15,810 From time to time, there is a matter that is required, a site visit, some additional information, 30 00:02:16,110 --> 00:02:18,090 some other question needs to be resolved. 31 00:02:18,090 --> 00:02:29,670 At that, in that situation, we will continue the hearing to a future night with a schedule, with a date and time certain, and a site visit that's in between. 32 00:02:30,790 --> 00:02:33,250 So that's the general procedure. 33 00:02:33,810 --> 00:02:37,610 Without further ado, we'll jump into our agenda. 34 00:02:37,890 --> 00:02:39,990 The first item on which is the Pledge of Allegiance. 35 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:56,600 All 36 00:03:01,630 --> 00:03:06,930 right, next is approval of the minutes from December 18th, 2025. 37 00:03:11,250 --> 00:03:12,850 Second, seconded. 38 00:03:14,430 --> 00:03:15,610 All in favor? 39 00:03:15,610 --> 00:03:21,810 I proved confirming our next meeting dates none 40 00:03:24,690 --> 00:03:29,790 she's so looking 41 00:03:38,970 --> 00:03:39,670 to March 42 00:03:41,930 --> 00:03:45,810 the 19th or the 26th 43 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:50,300 26th 44 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,780 everybody good with the 26th all right March 26th 6 p.m. 45 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:12,320 sorry 46 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:24,080 4-23. 4-23. That's what I'm trying to. Yeah. Is that 4-18 again? That's right. Well, we have two options. 47 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:31,000 We could push to the 30th or jump the gun and go on the 16th. What's the people prefer before or after vacation? 48 00:04:31,460 --> 00:04:34,860 I think before, but I'm not on vacation. 49 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:38,680 Neither are I, really. 50 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:50,000 16. 16. Right. Mike. Yep. You're good with that. All right. April 16th. And then I suggest 51 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,020 we wait on any further dates. 52 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,960 24. Okay. 53 00:05:01,730 --> 00:05:02,110 15 years. 54 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,140 Yeah. All right. Very good. 55 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:15,140 We'll 56 00:05:15,140 --> 00:05:16,940 of which is 18 pounds street. 57 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:21,260 You're hereby notified that the Stoneham Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing Thursday, 58 00:05:21,340 --> 00:05:27,600 February 26th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in the Hearing Room Town Hall, 35 central streets, 59 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,900 Stoneham, Massachusetts, they are all persons interested in the application by Yahya Ali and 60 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:38,780 Hiba Hassan, 18 pounds streets, Stoneham, Massachusetts, to convert the existing garage to a two-story, 61 00:05:39,820 --> 00:05:47,160 887 square foot accessory dwelling unit with 97 square feet minimum as a shared storage space accessed from the exterior. 62 00:05:47,540 --> 00:05:54,500 The petitioner is requesting graces from the Stoneham Town Code, chapter 15 and section 5.2.1 dimensional requirements. 63 00:05:55,100 --> 00:06:00,140 The minimum side setback and residence A is 10 feet, the proposed side setback is 2.3 feet. 64 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,560 The minimum rear setback and residence A is 15 feet, the proposed rear setback is 3.7 feet. 65 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:21,120 A plan of land for 18 pond street by John J. Russell, professional land surveyor dated October 28, 2025 and an ADU clarification plan drawn by Levechia designs company LLC dated 12, 25, maybe seen daily except 66 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,320 Friday afternoon in the office of the town clerk. It's the applicant here. 67 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:26,260 Hello. 68 00:06:32,170 --> 00:06:39,470 Good evening, everyone. My name is Amroly. I am, yeah, yeah, and have a son here 69 00:06:39,470 --> 00:06:47,490 representing them today. So, as mentioned before, we're seeking a variance to convert 70 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:53,410 our existing two-story backyard garage into an 887 square foot accessory dwelling unit. 71 00:06:54,070 --> 00:06:59,350 We recognize the structure is currently non-conforming. As the structure sits near the property 72 00:06:59,350 --> 00:07:05,290 lines as mentioned. However, this is a pre-existing condition. The structure was there when my 73 00:07:05,290 --> 00:07:11,030 parents bought the home in 1999. We have no plans on expanding the footprint or moving any 74 00:07:11,030 --> 00:07:17,230 of the walls any closer to the property lines. We are simply planning on renovating the interior 75 00:07:17,230 --> 00:07:22,110 and ensuring the structure is up to current building codes. We currently have four off-street parking 76 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:27,390 spots available on the property, which is more than enough to accommodate for the ADU. 77 00:07:28,530 --> 00:07:35,190 We've also notified all neighbors and appreciate that our neighbors understand this is a low impact conversion of the existing building. 78 00:07:36,210 --> 00:07:44,190 I have the plot plans and all the plans. I think you guys have them as well. If you guys have any questions, I'm happy to take questions. 79 00:07:44,190 --> 00:07:55,890 Yeah, my only question was I couldn't tell if you said that there's no change to the volume 80 00:07:55,890 --> 00:08:07,330 of the device so it's exactly what it is today essentially from the outside and what you're 81 00:08:07,330 --> 00:08:12,550 changing is I mean you move indoors and windows or whatever but you're basically just converting 82 00:08:12,550 --> 00:08:19,570 Yeah, converting it to an ADO in the location that it's in right now precisely. Okay. I understand questions from the board 83 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:23,010 Is there a foundation in there? 84 00:08:25,770 --> 00:08:26,290 Yes 85 00:08:26,290 --> 00:08:27,670 Okay, so 86 00:08:29,690 --> 00:08:31,450 do four no questions 87 00:08:34,260 --> 00:08:36,640 Okay, so you're solving any 88 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:39,220 questions 89 00:08:43,460 --> 00:08:48,260 I'll open it up to the public you can see like is there anyone here who would like to 90 00:08:48,340 --> 00:08:50,320 speak in regard to this petition. 91 00:08:55,630 --> 00:09:00,010 Seeing no hands, going once, going twice. Make a motion 92 00:09:00,010 --> 00:09:04,110 to close the public hearing. So moved. Seconded. All in favor, closing the public hearing. 93 00:09:04,510 --> 00:09:05,770 Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 94 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:17,260 So here it's pretty existing non-conforming. Yeah. The impact is really negligible as can 95 00:09:17,260 --> 00:09:19,760 me seen by all the buddies here. 96 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,260 So would that be said I wouldn't see as a 97 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:34,200 detriment and I would take a motion to approve. Very good. I'll second that 98 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,580 motion. It was in seconded. Call the role, Mr. Sullivan. I, Mr. McLaughlin. 99 00:09:39,660 --> 00:09:43,380 Yes. Mr. Rubin. Yes. Mr. Dufour. Yes. And chairs in favor. 100 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:47,300 Okay. 101 00:09:47,300 --> 00:09:47,400 Okay. 102 00:09:48,060 --> 00:09:51,300 Yeah, Maria will explain the process from here to you. 103 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Thank you. 104 00:09:57,020 --> 00:09:58,600 You feel free to run. 105 00:10:01,500 --> 00:10:02,240 Or stay. 106 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:04,040 I'm not kicking you out, but you don't have to. 107 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:04,760 Stay with us. 108 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:05,300 No. 109 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:06,700 You're all good. 110 00:10:06,860 --> 00:10:07,360 Have a good evening. 111 00:10:08,580 --> 00:10:08,820 All right. 112 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,400 Next item on our agenda is one, McConey Circle. 113 00:10:12,340 --> 00:10:15,540 You're here by notified that the Stoneham Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing. 114 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,300 Thursday, February 26th, 2026 at 6 p.m. in the Hearing Room, Town Hall, 35 Central 115 00:10:21,300 --> 00:10:28,000 Street, Stoneham, Massachusetts, to hear all persons interested in the application by Kenneth Rogers and Mary C. Rogers, 116 00:10:28,300 --> 00:10:36,880 one Makone Circle of Stoneham, Massachusetts, to construct a 17.4 foot by 20.1 foot open deck at one Makone Circle. 117 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:44,080 The petitioner is requesting a variance from the Stoneham Town Code, chapter 15, section 5.2.1, dimensional requirements. 118 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,800 The minimum side setback and residence A is 10 feet. The proposed side setback is 9.5 feet. 119 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:59,380 A plan of one Makoni Circle by Matthew Lowry, professional land surveyor dated 12, 22, 2025, maybe seen daily except Friday afternoon in the town clerk's office. 120 00:10:59,940 --> 00:11:02,420 Is the petitioner present? Yes, sir. 121 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:10,580 Kenneth Rogers, one Makoni Circle. 122 00:11:11,220 --> 00:11:19,140 As you said, was seeking relief on a six inch, we're over by six inches. 123 00:11:19,140 --> 00:11:27,340 and it was a, the deck was pre-existing, non-conforming. 124 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:36,200 It was there for 35 years and it came to a point that it needs to be replaced. 125 00:11:36,820 --> 00:11:37,060 Thank you. 126 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:46,400 The two pictures are the pre-existing. 127 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,420 That's what's there. 128 00:11:48,420 --> 00:11:50,440 That was the, yeah, 129 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,300 and the rest of it's what hopefully will be there. 130 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,240 So, that was there, is that correct? 131 00:12:14,620 --> 00:12:14,800 Correct. 132 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:18,140 Oh, tore down, not knowing you'd have to go to the process. 133 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:24,520 That was it, when it was put in, we didn't realize it was non-conforming, but then, 134 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:33,880 the building inspector requested an updated broad plan. 135 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:39,760 So that's what that's what that's what read it out and 136 00:12:46,420 --> 00:12:59,400 it looks like the if I'm reading this flat plane correctly, it looks like the edge of the deck is not exactly parallel to the property line. 137 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,180 Yeah, that's what took the problem with. 138 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:15,300 Actually, it probably goes like this far from six inches down to nothing, you know, it's, I don't believe it's a complete encroachment for the whole, the whole length, because you're trying to shape to it, you know, okay, I get that. 139 00:13:16,820 --> 00:13:19,060 I understand that. Other questions? 140 00:13:23,170 --> 00:13:25,010 And then at this time, I know the board. 141 00:13:26,850 --> 00:13:34,930 All right. Thank you. I'll go to the public. Is there anyone here who would like to speak regarding this petition? Yes, ma'am. Good 142 00:13:39,820 --> 00:13:40,060 evening. 143 00:13:40,380 --> 00:13:43,600 I'm Christine Masiello, a little bit of three Philstone Drive and Stonum. 144 00:13:44,220 --> 00:13:58,700 Thank you to our neighbors to Mary. And I'm off for the deck. I just wanted to come here and say I can't wait to see the new deck. 145 00:13:58,700 --> 00:14:00,680 All of us going with me, so. 146 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:01,540 Thank you. 147 00:14:02,260 --> 00:14:02,700 Thank you. 148 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:03,360 Thank you. 149 00:14:04,060 --> 00:14:05,260 Yeah, Mr. Sullivan. 150 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,480 You are the director about it to the deck. 151 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:08,340 Is that correct? 152 00:14:10,020 --> 00:14:11,360 How close, excuse me, miss. 153 00:14:13,340 --> 00:14:13,760 Sorry. 154 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:14,100 Yeah, sorry. 155 00:14:14,340 --> 00:14:19,000 Are you on the side of the property that the deck is closest to? 156 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,580 Yes, yes, yes. 157 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:20,180 That is wonderful. 158 00:14:21,580 --> 00:14:22,420 That's terrific. 159 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:23,080 Thank you. 160 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:25,260 Mr. Cameron. 161 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:27,000 Mr. General, I'm back. 162 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,760 Yes, sir, please hello 163 00:14:38,370 --> 00:14:44,590 my name is Vincent McConee and I live at one McConee circle and my wife and I are here 164 00:14:45,210 --> 00:14:50,570 Sorry to McConee circle to the one McConee circle property is what's in question? 165 00:14:50,590 --> 00:14:59,430 I'm across the street from Miriam Kenny and we've been neighbors for four decades and I don't see in any way 166 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:16,700 The form that this minor variance would have any negative impact on anything in the neighborhood, it's probably can't even be seen from the streets on both sides. 167 00:15:17,460 --> 00:15:28,260 I know Christine would have the largest impact probably and it's just a small little minor issue from a neighbor's perspective. 168 00:15:28,620 --> 00:15:29,140 Very good. 169 00:15:29,860 --> 00:15:34,940 Look to a vote favorably for this from the board, and thank you for your time. 170 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:35,600 Thank you. 171 00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:43,190 Anyone else here in regard to this petition? 172 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,820 I mean, then I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. 173 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,080 We've been seconded on favor closing the public hearing. 174 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:54,540 Say aye. 175 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:55,200 Aye. 176 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:55,920 All right. 177 00:15:57,140 --> 00:15:58,240 Deliberation from the board. 178 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:01,580 I think this is pretty cut and dry. 179 00:16:01,580 --> 00:16:09,980 it's basically replacing what's existing non-conforming, you know, in hardship due to the shape of the law. 180 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:19,220 Yeah, hardship is the shape of the law, and I don't see any detriment to the public, and certainly the public is in favor of it. 181 00:16:19,380 --> 00:16:21,300 Absolutely. Home maintenance. 182 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:31,260 All right, you're making that in the form of a motion to accept as it's proposed. 183 00:16:31,580 --> 00:16:32,060 So moved. 184 00:16:32,220 --> 00:16:32,440 Second. 185 00:16:33,580 --> 00:16:34,500 Mr. Sullivan. 186 00:16:35,460 --> 00:16:36,500 Mr. McLaughlin? 187 00:16:36,980 --> 00:16:37,180 Yes. 188 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:37,900 Mr. Rubin? 189 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:38,140 Yes. 190 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,460 Mr. Dupor. 191 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:39,800 Yes. 192 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:40,940 Chair's in favor. 193 00:16:42,460 --> 00:16:43,140 Thank you. 194 00:16:46,930 --> 00:16:48,690 I think two in record time. 195 00:16:48,730 --> 00:16:48,830 Wow. 196 00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:49,090 Yeah. 197 00:16:49,190 --> 00:16:49,670 That's unbelievable. 198 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:52,010 I got to take a nap here. 199 00:17:00,770 --> 00:17:07,770 The last item on our agenda is 476, 478 and 480 Main Street. 200 00:17:08,370 --> 00:17:11,910 You are here by notified that the Stone and Board of Appeals will hold a public hearing, 201 00:17:12,050 --> 00:17:15,070 Thursday evening, February 26, 2026. 202 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:19,470 At 6 p.m. in the hearing room, town hall to hear all persons interested in the application 203 00:17:19,470 --> 00:17:25,290 by Mainstone Properties LLC, Carmine J. Pesito Manager, nine carriage lane, 204 00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:30,390 redding Massachusetts to demolish the existing buildings and to construct a four-story building 205 00:17:30,750 --> 00:17:35,770 with 30 parking spaces on the ground level and eight residential units each on the second, 206 00:17:35,850 --> 00:17:42,090 third, and fourth floors at the property of 476, 478, and 480 Main Street Stona, Massachusetts. 207 00:17:42,090 --> 00:17:49,090 The proposed 24 dwelling units will require a variance of section 4.17.2.1 of the residential 208 00:17:49,090 --> 00:17:53,670 slash business overlay district, which allows residential use on all floors provided 209 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:56,730 that no more than 5 dwelling units shall be allowed in a building. 210 00:17:57,570 --> 00:18:04,630 Section 6.3.3.1B requires a minimum of 1.7 spaces per unit in business district. 211 00:18:05,050 --> 00:18:11,710 The 24 dwelling units proposed will require 41 parking spaces and a variance of section 6.3.3. 212 00:18:11,710 --> 00:18:20,570 8.1B will be required. Section 6.38.7.2.1 requires one off-street loading area for each 25,000 213 00:18:20,570 --> 00:18:27,270 square feet of gross floor area. Reposed building will contain 37,944 square feet. A variance 214 00:18:27,270 --> 00:18:33,530 of Section 6.38.7.2.1 will be required as no off-street loading area is proposed. Plans filed 215 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:38,990 with petition by Medford Engineering and Survey dated November 7, 2025 and January 12, 216 00:18:38,990 --> 00:18:46,910 12th, 2026, entitled Proposed Certified Plot Plan, 476, 478, and 480 Main Street Stona, Massachusetts, 217 00:18:47,470 --> 00:19:00,870 and Architectural Site Plans Sheets A010, A011, A012, A013, A014, A015, and A020 by Context Architects, 218 00:19:01,210 --> 00:19:05,330 entitled Architectural Site Plan Sketch, shows the proposed building and parking. 219 00:19:05,330 --> 00:19:09,170 Plan may be seen daily except Friday afternoon in the town clerk's office. 220 00:19:15,950 --> 00:19:19,190 Good evening Mr. Chairman and members, I'm Attorney Charles Houghton. 221 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:22,790 I represent the Titina, who's the owner of the property. 222 00:19:23,370 --> 00:19:26,410 He's owned the property since 1983. 223 00:19:29,370 --> 00:19:33,370 They are 14 rental units in three different buildings. 224 00:19:33,970 --> 00:19:37,970 The proposal would be to combine all the lots into one. 225 00:19:37,970 --> 00:19:43,870 It's a lot of little over 20,000 square feet and the 226 00:19:43,870 --> 00:19:49,010 molester-existing structures. I do have a rendering which I can pass around a 227 00:19:49,010 --> 00:19:52,550 couple of copies so the board could kind of get an idea. 228 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,260 It's actually three 229 00:19:57,260 --> 00:20:04,060 stories of apartments with eight apartments on each floor. The first floor is 230 00:20:04,060 --> 00:20:17,000 actually a parking garage or that front facade makes it look like the building on purpose so you don't not look at the vehicles, but that's not a, that's not apartments to first level. 231 00:20:19,340 --> 00:20:20,980 It's, it's the parking. 232 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:27,800 The parking is designed in accordance with the current bylaw, which is going to change. 233 00:20:28,820 --> 00:20:31,880 All those spaces are 9 by 18s. 234 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:41,540 Ioweth is 24 feet, those are being reduced to 16 and in 8 respectively. 235 00:20:42,500 --> 00:20:45,280 And the Ioweth is down to 22. 236 00:20:45,780 --> 00:20:55,420 So it could be designed with more spaces under the new by-law, and the new by-law is requiring 1.5 for this area. 237 00:20:55,420 --> 00:21:03,660 I want to point out that about 185 feet to the north is Hancock Street from Hancock Street 238 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:11,440 and north only requires one space and would be over on that requirement okay and I understand 239 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:20,000 that parking would be an issue what we are also on the one three two bus line that goes down 240 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:27,800 wanted in Walden, so we're expecting that there would be tenants who would utilize that. 241 00:21:28,360 --> 00:21:33,980 And this would be an apartment building only, there'd be no ownership. 242 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:45,500 My client intends to keep it and rent it just to give you some of the facts on the rental that we would. 243 00:21:45,500 --> 00:21:46,480 And as 244 00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:56,580 far as before you can get it, it's to try to rehab the building to try to make it expand in existing non-conforming. 245 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:02,080 It just, it wouldn't work economically, there's just no way it could turn to those houses. 246 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:13,620 There's two, three families, and then there's an eight unit apartment building to make them work under existing non-conforming and 247 00:22:13,620 --> 00:22:16,220 and expand it just wouldn't make economic sense, 248 00:22:16,420 --> 00:22:21,340 and it would never really look very well, but anyway, 249 00:22:31,820 --> 00:22:33,700 the properties were built around 1900, 250 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:35,100 give it take a few years. 251 00:22:35,780 --> 00:22:38,200 And so it's time to redo, 252 00:22:39,300 --> 00:22:40,560 they said if you've renovated it, 253 00:22:40,700 --> 00:22:44,080 it really wouldn't look very well and fit very well. 254 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,740 The neighborhood is residential. 255 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:53,860 It did have, as I think, this board very much will remember, a dairy dome across the street. 256 00:22:54,760 --> 00:23:02,020 And I know that the neighborhood at that time was happy when dairy dome went, a retail 257 00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:06,400 use in this site, because it's really a residential neighborhood. 258 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:17,100 This is very little, real commercial, except for probably the royal roast beef, it's kind 259 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:19,580 of across the street from everything else is not retail, 260 00:23:19,580 --> 00:23:20,980 everything else is residential. 261 00:23:24,990 --> 00:23:28,130 And Central Business District, which were just, like I said, 262 00:23:28,750 --> 00:23:32,890 less than 200 feet away would allow this with the parking 263 00:23:32,890 --> 00:23:34,810 and actually the parking would be surplus. 264 00:23:36,650 --> 00:23:40,150 So the rental just to give you an idea, 265 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:47,050 they would, the units would rent from about 3,400. 266 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:49,510 200, there all be two bedroom, two bath. 267 00:23:50,450 --> 00:23:52,510 Okay, today it's a mix. 268 00:23:54,950 --> 00:24:00,490 The cost to build the building projected is about 8,844,000, 269 00:24:00,910 --> 00:24:07,610 give it take a, which would result in today's rental value 270 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:09,470 roughly with the rent of 271 00:24:11,740 --> 00:24:15,340 about 88,700, give it take again. 272 00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:21,440 And the current rental amount, I mean a taxable amount for the three units is $25,000. 273 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:28,540 Three buildings, it's $25,000 at the coming, and today's residential tax rate, which is $10,000 and $3,000. 274 00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:32,920 And we've reject that same tax, $10,000 and $3,000. 275 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:44,820 On the $88 million change, it leads to $8,000, I mean a taxable of about $88,700 versus what's there today. 276 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,940 Currently, there are no minor tenants. 277 00:24:52,620 --> 00:24:56,300 We wouldn't expect to have any if you look at the types of buildings. 278 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:02,300 That this would be around town, they are very few to none as far as children go. 279 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:13,040 We're not having a lot of children in installments more young adults who work in commute. 280 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,080 That's pretty much what we're seeing in all the newer buildings that are coming online. 281 00:25:19,580 --> 00:25:21,440 They don't like this size. 282 00:25:26,810 --> 00:25:35,230 The rendering I gave you is up for changes if it doesn't meet an effect. 283 00:25:35,710 --> 00:25:39,890 The rest of this would go to the planning board, assuming we get variances. 284 00:25:39,890 --> 00:25:45,030 is, you know, they've been doing design review lately, and I'm sure they would have comments, 285 00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:50,110 but then there'd be a cycling, because again, we're kind of over, or in the middle, 286 00:25:51,870 --> 00:25:56,690 if we waited, which we could have done, it wouldn't be till at least September that we 287 00:25:56,690 --> 00:26:00,970 could apply to come under the new by-law, so we thought we would start now. 288 00:26:01,470 --> 00:26:06,790 The bill inspector will not allow applications, and tell the new by-law as approved by the 289 00:26:06,790 --> 00:26:11,030 change general which is what's going to be the process. So we thought we would 290 00:26:11,030 --> 00:26:13,890 that now get the project going. 291 00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:20,200 So again, that's not written in stone but 292 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:24,540 you know it will go through the department reviews again as soon when we move on 293 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:30,520 and we'll have some input what the idea is residential for this area to us to 294 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,720 make a lot more sense than trying to put a commercial use in there. So the 295 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:43,020 by law that works for this site only requires, allows five of a lot of variance. 296 00:26:44,300 --> 00:26:49,300 That's, again, on a special permit, and I'm sure the plaintiff would kind of design 297 00:26:49,300 --> 00:26:49,900 it that way. 298 00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:57,780 So we meet a criteria of several boards to make sure that it met the neighborhood, and 299 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,460 this is our first step towards that. 300 00:27:00,460 --> 00:27:09,900 As far as the statute, you know, the detriment of publichood, we think that there's a large 301 00:27:09,900 --> 00:27:13,580 need in Stoneman, the Commonwealth in general, for housing. 302 00:27:14,540 --> 00:27:19,280 This would help, it would also help the tax-based in Stoneman. 303 00:27:21,380 --> 00:27:26,900 And again, it's time for redevelopment of this site, so the question would be, what's best? 304 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:33,340 I don't know how many names we have here, but we'll hear from them tonight. 305 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,520 So we'll find out about what the public good is, pro-acorn here, whatever. 306 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:47,000 And the hunch of is, again, the structures that are there, they're not really workable. 307 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,020 They have to be renovated. 308 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:50,600 And if we don't do that, 309 00:27:52,740 --> 00:27:55,820 we can't meet the by-law of only five units and 310 00:27:55,820 --> 00:27:58,340 to make anything work that we already have 14 there. 311 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,460 It doesn't make any economic sense to do it any other way. 312 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,540 And like I said, the neighborhood, as far as retail has been there, 313 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,240 done that, and I don't think anybody would want to see a use 314 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:13,720 like a dairy dome back in there. 315 00:28:14,020 --> 00:28:15,540 It just was not. 316 00:28:17,910 --> 00:28:21,450 It was good for the little leaguers, maybe, but not for the neighborhood. 317 00:28:27,340 --> 00:28:30,860 What's the mix of bedroom counts in the units? 318 00:28:31,420 --> 00:28:32,060 The current units? 319 00:28:32,060 --> 00:28:37,540 No, the proposed all-to's, two-better and two-bath, and like 320 00:28:45,510 --> 00:28:52,410 I said, this is the first step this process right now is, the three-step process, how 321 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,360 many parking spaces are provided? 322 00:28:59,900 --> 00:29:00,200 30. 323 00:29:00,900 --> 00:29:01,560 Okay, 324 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:04,980 that's it. 325 00:29:06,340 --> 00:29:14,540 30 would be obviously, if it's in central business we'd have 24 spaces required in verses 30. 326 00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:24,560 The new by-law would be 1.5, which is 36, the existing is 1.7, the space sizes do go down in the new by-law and 327 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:30,940 the Iowa goes down, it could be designed to come closer than it would today, for sure. 328 00:29:30,940 --> 00:29:39,780 So I don't know whether it could make, unless it went to Central Business and I don't see that expanding, but it's nearby, like I said, 329 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,620 Hancock Street is the dividing line between Central Business and just playing business, which is what we're in. 330 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:51,000 Yes, sir. 331 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:55,520 So the new bylaw is a proposed bylaw, correct? 332 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:56,340 Correct. 333 00:29:56,860 --> 00:29:59,460 Yeah, I just want to get that out there. 334 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:26,360 Let's go to town meeting and pass, so. Yes, I have a public hearing, has to go to town meeting on May 4th, and it also has to be approved by the Attorney General. Right, so I'm just saying it's the new law of reference to a new by law, which isn't there yet. No, it's not there. No, I just want to explain that for the people that don't know. Well, I think everybody would understand it. It's the proposed by law, not the existing by law. 335 00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:33,550 I can't read this. 336 00:30:33,550 --> 00:30:49,530 this, this is absolutely horrendous. You can't, I can't read any a little, I 337 00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:53,520 can't 338 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,400 read, I 339 00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:59,250 have better plans on this. 340 00:31:03,580 --> 00:31:08,820 Well, we could have them blown up by the architect, I guess, if that's, that would help. 341 00:31:08,820 --> 00:31:11,480 Oh, he's got to do better. 342 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:12,260 Writing. 343 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:12,780 Kevin? 344 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:13,700 Yeah. 345 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:15,620 Oh, do you want to hear this? 346 00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:16,580 No, I already have them. 347 00:31:17,020 --> 00:31:17,660 I have them. 348 00:31:17,820 --> 00:31:19,140 I should have brought them along with me. 349 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:19,360 Yeah. 350 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:20,500 I don't know if they needed these. 351 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,640 That's impressive. 352 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:24,580 It's brutal. 353 00:31:24,780 --> 00:31:26,740 I didn't know you had that in your toolkit, Mr. Dufor. 354 00:31:27,020 --> 00:31:27,460 That's impressive. 355 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,940 That's what he was late getting. 356 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,920 All right. 357 00:31:33,580 --> 00:31:34,200 Other questions? 358 00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:42,940 Yeah, I kind of feel the same way actually 359 00:31:42,940 --> 00:31:51,480 to you really can't even make out anything on this for a project of this scale to have a plan. 360 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,560 This, I've seen decks with that of plans. 361 00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:58,000 As we just did. 362 00:31:58,300 --> 00:31:58,380 Yeah. 363 00:32:00,820 --> 00:32:02,740 I think it's a resolution issue. 364 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:09,100 Yeah, something looks like it's just a copy of a copy or something, it's produced hard to read. 365 00:32:09,100 --> 00:32:18,360 Okay, we can certainly have it done and put it in a two foot by three foot, so it would be legible. 366 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:28,860 This does have an affordable component, so everybody knows it would have three units that would be the market. 367 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:37,860 Rent on that would be approximately 2,900 and change versus 3,400 for the regular. 368 00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:42,860 and they would be all exactly the same unit as required by the by-law. 369 00:32:43,220 --> 00:32:43,820 Other 370 00:32:51,530 --> 00:32:54,210 questions on the nature of the relief requested? 371 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,120 Not at this time? 372 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,440 All right. 373 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,200 Okay, thank you. 374 00:33:03,620 --> 00:33:06,660 At this moment, I'll open it up to the public. 375 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:07,580 Yeah. 376 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,140 We'll work our way through. 377 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,740 I saw your hand go up first, miss with the cast. 378 00:33:14,420 --> 00:33:15,140 I believe. 379 00:33:31,420 --> 00:33:41,160 I'm here to object to the variances requested for this project because of the significant impact it will have on our community. 380 00:33:41,900 --> 00:33:44,840 The following are our concerns about mainstone properties requests. 381 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,780 one, they're in a residential business district and should by law have a 382 00:33:48,780 --> 00:33:51,900 business on the ground floor because they're building more than five units 383 00:33:51,900 --> 00:33:59,800 and they don't want to. I don't see it and I'll leave that. Two, they don't want 384 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:05,100 to provide the required 1.7 parking spots per apartment. This means that instead 385 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:10,180 of providing 41 parking spots, they'll provide 30 and my concern is where will 386 00:34:10,180 --> 00:34:16,220 the rest of those residents park. We already don't have a whole lot of parking in the downtown 387 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:23,340 area. This is not going to make it any better. I also just for a reality check, I don't know 388 00:34:23,340 --> 00:34:30,260 anybody who lives in this town who doesn't have two cars. You know, well, that's probably not true, 389 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:38,760 but most people need two cars to get around. And so we're not talking about just six people being 390 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,120 left out in the cold. We're talking about 16 extra parking spaces that are not going to be available 391 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,060 for people to use. 392 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,560 And they don't want to build an off-street loading area even though they're 393 00:34:49,560 --> 00:35:00,480 required to, my concern is main street traffic flow and safety. The reason why I felt I should come 394 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:07,080 today is because this building is being built from the ground up. They're not working within a 395 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:13,180 restriction of what we're working with, what's already here, and we're limited by such 396 00:35:13,180 --> 00:35:17,200 and such, or were grandfathered in. They're really doing this from the ground up. So I 397 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,740 don't see why they can't actually give enough parking spots and do the off street loading 398 00:35:23,740 --> 00:35:28,800 area, and so on. So thank you very much, and here's the view. 399 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,620 No. 400 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,820 Terrific. I will keep it for the record. Thank you. 401 00:35:37,100 --> 00:35:41,400 All right. Next. Someone hands. Please. Yes. 402 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:57,530 I'm Emma Westling. I live at six Middle Street. So around the corner from the proposed construction. And I'm speaking tonight on behalf of neighbors from three other households on Middle Street who all feel the same way. 403 00:35:58,150 --> 00:36:08,370 Our primary concern with the construction is really the parking that it doesn't provide adequate parking, especially for when we have winter weather and you can't park on the street. 404 00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:24,910 I can't imagine why. I'm not imagine why. Also just the increase in traffic if people are parking on the side streets like middle street that's really going to increase the traffic on our street, I would say we probably have about 15 children. 405 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:30,350 like there's multiple children and almost every household on our street, you know, so just 406 00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:36,870 increased traffic is a concern if people are really coming and going. And then the third thing 407 00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:44,050 that I had wondered about is whether there's any proposed amelioration of the sidewalk condition, 408 00:36:44,910 --> 00:36:51,450 both on the main street side and the middle street side because the for I don't know which number 409 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:57,290 it was, but one of those numbers, you know, is a corner lot that has like a very deteriorated 410 00:36:57,290 --> 00:37:04,430 sidewalk condition. So I think that I know that when the construction went up a cross-middle 411 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:14,630 street, what's your number, Bruno? 472-475. That development, you know, did the whole new sidewalk 412 00:37:14,630 --> 00:37:37,250 that wrapped around, it was for the whole lot, so that was another concern, but I think we're not opposed to redevelopment, but we just want to make sure that it is done in a way that feels like it's maintaining the same residential quality of the neighborhood with, so maybe a revised plan we would like to see. 413 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:37,710 Thank you. 414 00:37:37,710 --> 00:37:39,290 Okay, thank you. 415 00:37:40,330 --> 00:37:40,730 Next. 416 00:37:41,770 --> 00:37:42,170 Sir. 417 00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:48,210 My name is Joseph Joffey. 418 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,010 I live at one-eye solo lane in Stonem. 419 00:37:50,370 --> 00:37:54,330 Some of you may recognize me as I have served on the Finance and Advisory Board for the last three years. 420 00:37:54,370 --> 00:37:57,290 I was also the chair of the Overide Study Committee this past summer and fall. 421 00:37:57,610 --> 00:38:02,530 I'd like to be clear I am speaking as myself this evening and not on behalf of any other board or organization. 422 00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:07,990 From my personal experience and conversations with many, many residents leading up to the Overide Boats, 423 00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:09,050 we had this past December. 424 00:38:09,250 --> 00:38:10,590 One thing was made quite clear. 425 00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:15,370 Residents put their support behind the $9.3 million override question, but also asked 426 00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:19,430 that are elected and appointed town officials do everything that we can to ensure we are 427 00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:23,710 also looking for any and all sources of revenue beyond just the new property tax override. 428 00:38:24,490 --> 00:38:28,370 While I am not in a butter of the proposed project, my children went to South School for Elementary 429 00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:32,050 and I am quite familiar with the area where the proposed new development is planned. 430 00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:37,150 And I feel I'd be remiss if I did not speak up about what I believe are possible ramifications 431 00:38:37,150 --> 00:38:40,410 of allowing the requested variances to be granted to this development. 432 00:38:41,230 --> 00:38:44,050 Over the last several years, and especially during the OSC process, 433 00:38:44,330 --> 00:38:47,830 it became clear what the limits are of Stonum's current commercial spaces, 434 00:38:48,090 --> 00:38:51,690 especially as more new housing has been approved within commercially-zoned locations. 435 00:38:52,350 --> 00:38:56,050 I'd like to be clear I am not against more new housing to be built in Stonum in general, 436 00:38:56,530 --> 00:39:00,210 and full disclosure, my family now lives in one of the 13 homes currently 437 00:39:00,210 --> 00:39:03,710 being built off of High Street, otherwise known as the Stonum Heights Development. 438 00:39:03,710 --> 00:39:15,370 My concern today is the combination of variances sought by the petitioner which I believe may have a detrimental effect of lowering the potential tax revenue the town could receive from the area this development would occupy. 439 00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:22,470 Allowing the developer to proceed without first floor retail will change to my understanding the overall tax rate of the proposed property. 440 00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:28,130 I mean there would not be any opportunities for businesses of this location anymore now or in the future. 441 00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:34,690 It is also my concern that allowing the developer to proceed with both less parking and avoiding 442 00:39:34,690 --> 00:39:39,270 the loading zone that would now be required for the proposed development would have, as others 443 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:44,270 have said, a detrimental effect on both the businesses and the other residents in the area. 444 00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:49,610 And it would, in my opinion, as was already said, I believe it would lead people to eventually 445 00:39:49,610 --> 00:39:53,790 using other parking that is currently available, which again, would have a detrimental effect 446 00:39:53,790 --> 00:39:54,630 on other businesses. 447 00:39:54,630 --> 00:40:00,130 So somebody is parking in front of somebody else's business because they need to get into this new housing unit. 448 00:40:00,630 --> 00:40:20,830 I do not pretend to have the specific experience with zoning that this group does, but I am asking you to please help fulfill what residents asked me in my role that we ensure Stoneham continues to seek more revenue that does not simply tax our residents and ensure that as a town we are seeking to expand opportunities for more commercial and retail space and revenue, not less than them. Thank you. 449 00:40:23,710 --> 00:40:30,390 Yeah, sir in the back, sorry, yeah, either one, but then you'll be next, sir. 450 00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:40,340 Bobby Caffado, 47, Colin Coat Street, I have to say I really like it when we build 451 00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:40,580 stuff. 452 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:41,380 I think it's really cool. 453 00:40:41,700 --> 00:40:45,640 I'm a big fan of big construction projects, and I love this town and I want to share 454 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,740 it with people, so I don't mind new people coming in. 455 00:40:48,580 --> 00:40:53,220 But I do think that the commercial zoning requirement on Main Street is something that we should 456 00:40:53,220 --> 00:40:58,220 be very firm on not because I don't want this development to go up because I want it to be done 457 00:40:58,220 --> 00:41:02,480 in a way that supports our long term vision of what's going on on Main Street. Because right now, 458 00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:07,520 we're at the edge of a big boom on Main Street with the new zoning codes we're doing, the new housing 459 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,140 development center going up. They're going to bring tons of families and foot traffic to the downtown 460 00:41:11,140 --> 00:41:17,360 area where the cusp of bringing back a bustling downtown. And I think that we should be consistent on 461 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,540 our expectations of what happens on Main Street. 462 00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,720 I know if I were a builder, I would probably see what's, you know, empty storefronts on Main Street and say, okay, maybe that's not the best investment. 463 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:38,280 But again, when this development goes up and all the other ones that are going on right now, we're going to have dozens if not hundreds of families who are going to be stoked to have food and shops and entertainment there on Main Street. 464 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:44,180 So I say we should build this, we should build it big, but we should keep those developments on the ground floor. 465 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:44,680 Thank you. 466 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,760 Thank you. 467 00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:47,180 Thank you. 468 00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:47,400 Yes, sir. 469 00:41:53,110 --> 00:41:53,530 Hi, Mike. 470 00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:54,290 My cronies. 471 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:55,330 11-biddle street. 472 00:41:55,470 --> 00:41:57,590 I was just before this board a couple months ago. 473 00:41:58,110 --> 00:42:01,550 One of the things that, you know, we wanted to have built at our house and needed a variance 474 00:42:01,550 --> 00:42:02,590 was a farmer's porch. 475 00:42:02,890 --> 00:42:07,470 And I just worry with the parking here that I'll be looking at three cars in front of my 476 00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:10,430 house at all times because of the parking issue. 477 00:42:11,090 --> 00:42:14,470 The lower end of the street already gets filled with cars as it is. 478 00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:17,570 the upper end of the street will get cars for 479 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:28,490 salt school events periodically people parking occasionally will get if there's a prominent person in town passes away or somebody tragically will get overflow from the you know funeral home 480 00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:35,690 But that's understandable and you know sad and we're happy to see you know happy to share off street. It's public street people can park there 481 00:42:35,690 --> 00:42:41,650 You know, but it's just a lot a lot of parking so that's the main thing I will be fair 482 00:42:41,650 --> 00:42:46,270 I have looked at that house down there at the end of the street at 480 it looks like a flop house 483 00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:51,930 You get nervous, as Emma mentioned we have 17 kids in the neighborhood and you know with people coming and going 484 00:42:51,930 --> 00:42:56,530 Transy at you wonder sometimes like who lives there, but so this would be an improvement in that respect 485 00:42:56,530 --> 00:43:03,390 But just really worried about the parking and the vehicles coming back and forth and I think ten of those kids in the neighborhood 486 00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:09,450 Are going to be getting their license in the next five years three to five years so they're going to all have cars and it's just going to be more cars 487 00:43:09,450 --> 00:43:10,930 So that's all 488 00:43:11,650 --> 00:43:15,300 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you sir. 489 00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:24,130 Thank you Mr. Sharma. Bruno, I'm leaving for 72 main streets 490 00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:31,190 or right next to the development with the other corner between with Maine and Middle Street 491 00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:36,470 and besides the same concerns that my neighbors shared my major concern and something that Emma 492 00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:43,870 touched it is the how the theory already the sidewalks and I would say also the pavement in that 493 00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:49,730 area of Main Street, because in the last three or two four years, many areas on Main Street, 494 00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:56,050 the pavement was replaced, but if you consider between marble and maple streets, 495 00:43:56,530 --> 00:44:02,490 that is very, very deteriorating. So I'm concerned about, well, construction of this 496 00:44:02,490 --> 00:44:09,070 proportion would definitely increase the volume and the traffic of trucks. So the question is, 497 00:44:09,070 --> 00:44:28,370 Is there anything planned from the builder or the town in terms of improvement on the sidewalk as well as the pavement during the construction and mainly after because, again, it's very deteriorated and it's basically the only part of Main Street that was not renovated in recent years. 498 00:44:28,810 --> 00:44:29,170 Thank you, sir. 499 00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:36,470 Thank you. I know there is some plans on the street but not related to this development. 500 00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:38,610 So we can address that in a moment. 501 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:39,970 Yes, ma'am. 502 00:44:42,130 --> 00:44:47,850 Katie Kirkland, I live at 18 Horsam, and I just wanted to come and say, I think our town 503 00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:52,770 just survived going through this override, it almost tore the town apart. 504 00:44:53,570 --> 00:44:58,950 We did what our town needed to do, and I just heard over and over that in addition to the 505 00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:59,730 property taxes. 506 00:45:00,050 --> 00:45:29,710 We were going to change. We were going to build a future and that future needs to protect and preserve the business district that we have. It's small, it's limited. That's what a lot of people love about Stonum. I don't think that this variance is required. I think it's requested because as people have said, they're building this from the ground up. I don't see why we can't have commercial buildings there. We want people to be coming off the exit where that fund leases and put something there. 507 00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:37,690 We want that to move up Main Street and connect the exits from 93 and 95 together and make that a huge business quarter 508 00:45:37,690 --> 00:45:43,630 To be able to have revenue for our town. I'm also concerned about the parking my kids go to South School 509 00:45:43,630 --> 00:45:48,150 We walk there all the time. There's already limited parking 510 00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:53,230 We have police there right now just to be able to drop the kids off safely in the winter time 511 00:45:54,090 --> 00:45:55,790 It's just not going to be enough parking 512 00:45:56,470 --> 00:46:04,210 These are requests, not required variances, and I urge you guys to consider what the town voted for and what we want for our future. 513 00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:10,850 I think renovating it is awesome. Anything to make Stonum look better is great. 514 00:46:11,170 --> 00:46:16,610 And I want to have new people here that come and love Stonum too, but we need to consider Stonum's future. 515 00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:21,350 and I think we need to have appropriate parking, appropriate areas for deliveries, 516 00:46:21,650 --> 00:46:28,030 so that Main Street's not getting blocked, big trucks on Main Street is going to make it dangerous for kids to be crossing. 517 00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:32,170 And I just also think we need in the 10 years that I've lived here. 518 00:46:32,670 --> 00:46:36,750 I have seen so many new businesses come and succeed and we want that to continue. 519 00:46:37,290 --> 00:46:37,910 Thank you. 520 00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:39,130 Thank you for 521 00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,020 signing in. 522 00:46:51,900 --> 00:46:52,660 Yes, ma'am. 523 00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:59,170 Hi, my name is Jill Blacksved. 524 00:46:59,310 --> 00:47:00,910 I live on 23 Maple Street. 525 00:47:02,730 --> 00:47:13,630 My major, I similarly am very supportive of building in Stonum, I want our town to grow, I love having new neighbors and have a lot of new neighbors over the last few years. 526 00:47:15,050 --> 00:47:27,730 A couple of concerns, there are many families moving to Stonum, just in the last few years, I've had numerous families with very young children move into the neighborhood. 527 00:47:29,550 --> 00:47:34,890 My children went to South School as well and walked to that corridor all the time. 528 00:47:35,390 --> 00:47:44,390 It's already a dangerous corridor, but there are already many traffic and parking issues 529 00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:45,050 in that area. 530 00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:50,730 South School doesn't have nearly enough parking, so we all park on all the side streets, 531 00:47:50,730 --> 00:47:53,810 which is terrible, but there's really no other option. 532 00:47:53,810 --> 00:48:05,790 So, not having the allotted parking for the spaces is very concerning and the other is the revenue and businesses in town. 533 00:48:06,310 --> 00:48:23,730 I think about what if the apartments at the dairy dome building did have some businesses on the bottom floor and now this apartment building come in had businesses on the bottom floor like this is what the town has been saying during the override process the last couple of years. 534 00:48:23,730 --> 00:48:28,630 There's in many public meetings is that we do want more businesses, we want to make 535 00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:32,530 store stonum more of a destination for folks coming off of the freeways. 536 00:48:33,810 --> 00:48:41,550 And so it's just important that we stick to this so that we can build that future for 537 00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:43,050 stonum. 538 00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:43,910 That's it. 539 00:48:44,030 --> 00:48:44,570 Thank you. 540 00:48:45,130 --> 00:48:45,450 Thank you. 541 00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:46,750 Yes, sir. 542 00:48:54,210 --> 00:48:54,330 Hi. 543 00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:58,750 Rodrigo Elana, style of one, four, seven, two, main street, former dairy dome. 544 00:48:59,970 --> 00:49:04,450 So similar to, you know, a lot of folks here, Mr. Chairman, thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on the matter. 545 00:49:05,230 --> 00:49:09,610 Similar, you know, the less parking is definitely concerned, you know, the kids. 546 00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:14,650 I know that, you know, so we live very close to the, you know, obviously the Main Street side. 547 00:49:14,650 --> 00:49:17,750 And I mean, some of those kids come into our driveway, you know, and they're playing around. 548 00:49:17,930 --> 00:49:21,630 So to kind of give some, you know, some context to what's, you know, what's happening there. 549 00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:26,930 And then also there was like a pickup truck that was parked like right up at the corner on Main Street in middle. 550 00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:32,570 And it got a warning and it was like there for weeks if not months and it never got moved so it's parking definitely an issue and 551 00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:37,030 You know Erica and ours and my son Dante 552 00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:39,430 He was hit by a car here in Stoneham 553 00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:42,230 And so I remember getting that phone call you don't want to get that phone call 554 00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:46,570 It wasn't in that area, but still it's like, you know definitely, um, you know concerns 555 00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:51,890 Yeah, so hard to see around the hard to see around the corner if we have you know cars there 556 00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:57,990 in the loading, you know, not having the loading area as well, just contributes to that. 557 00:49:58,210 --> 00:49:59,230 So, very good. 558 00:49:59,290 --> 00:49:59,810 So, thank you. 559 00:50:00,050 --> 00:50:00,290 Thank you. 560 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,360 Hi. 561 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:08,860 Good evening. 562 00:50:08,940 --> 00:50:09,660 I'm Erica Alana. 563 00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,900 I live at 472 in street where the dare to use to be. 564 00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:22,480 My main concern is twofold, and I also want to say I pretty much agree with everything 565 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,960 that everybody said so far, all of the community. 566 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:37,360 My main concerns are lack of loading area and really, really great lack of parking. 567 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,300 Stoneham is a two plus car community per family. 568 00:50:43,980 --> 00:50:48,280 Pretty much every family has at least two cars, if not three or four. 569 00:50:49,540 --> 00:50:55,420 And if you're going to have two bedrooms, that implies either two adults or adults with children 570 00:50:55,420 --> 00:51:05,000 who are eventually also going to get their license, so I feel that even two spots per household 571 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:14,040 or per unit is just barely squeaking by, you know. Everybody has two plus cars since 572 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:20,480 Donham. My other concern is middle street is a very narrow street and there's parking on both 573 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:32,540 side sometimes and I'm wondering how the congestion is going to be compounded if there is 574 00:51:32,540 --> 00:51:43,060 potentially going to be another driveway on the middle side street because right now there's 575 00:51:43,060 --> 00:51:50,060 definitely issues at times with our driveway which is by the way a shared driveway for eight 576 00:51:50,060 --> 00:51:55,960 different cars plus getting blocked sometimes, so that's another one of my 577 00:51:55,960 --> 00:52:01,540 concerns is with that many people coming and going are some of the driveways 578 00:52:01,540 --> 00:52:08,700 on Middle Street going to be blocked. So I mean I think it's great that they're 579 00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:14,720 building more housing and I know Stoneham needs it, but I think if you're going 580 00:52:14,720 --> 00:52:22,160 from 14 units to 24 units, you should be able to provide the parking area needed for 581 00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:22,900 those units. 582 00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:24,080 Got it. 583 00:52:24,340 --> 00:52:24,840 Thank you. 584 00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:25,460 Thank you. 585 00:52:31,370 --> 00:52:32,130 Yes, sir. 586 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:45,400 Hello. 587 00:52:45,780 --> 00:52:46,440 Good evening. 588 00:52:47,180 --> 00:52:50,120 Ralph Burrally from Burrally Funeral Home, next door. 589 00:52:51,900 --> 00:52:54,120 I don't have any objections to this project. 590 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:55,220 None. 591 00:52:56,180 --> 00:52:58,100 I'm in favor of it. 592 00:52:58,100 --> 00:53:02,400 My concern is, as everyone said, is about traffic and parking. 593 00:53:03,140 --> 00:53:07,400 And my other concern is, when and if this is approved, construction? 594 00:53:08,740 --> 00:53:10,300 How is that going to impact our business? 595 00:53:11,140 --> 00:53:13,300 Our business, I'm sure everyone is aware, is very sensitive. 596 00:53:14,020 --> 00:53:16,640 So when we have wakes and funerals, how much noises are going to be? 597 00:53:17,540 --> 00:53:18,700 Truck's coming in and out of there. 598 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:20,920 Parking for wakes and funerals. 599 00:53:23,340 --> 00:53:26,980 Wakes and funerals are different times of day, seven days a week. 600 00:53:26,980 --> 00:53:32,160 We might have a wake starting in four people come in at three we may have a funeral in the morning people come in at seven seven thirty 601 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,680 Construction you least arts. I think somewhere around seven o'clock in the morning 602 00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:45,600 So my concern is would you be like a police detail there with someone assist us in our business and other residents of what they've said to as far as parking is concerned 603 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,540 Sometimes we have very large females and where we park and we use as much space as we can 604 00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:54,920 Again, other times we do help out the neighbors if there's parking and I don't have a wake 605 00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:55,760 or a funeral going on. 606 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,740 We allow them to park at the funeral home to help ease that congestion. 607 00:54:00,660 --> 00:54:08,020 So my main concern is for everybody is talking about safety and parking, but during construction 608 00:54:08,020 --> 00:54:14,360 work I'm right next door to this, the safety of it, especially for people coming out of the 609 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:14,840 funeral home. 610 00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,920 Do we have Kevin? 611 00:54:16,460 --> 00:54:17,480 No, well, yeah. 612 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,800 Just what main concern for safety is. 613 00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:22,060 Sir, name an address. 614 00:54:22,300 --> 00:54:24,220 Oh, Kevin Burrillie-Burrillie, if you're on 42 Main Street. 615 00:54:25,420 --> 00:54:28,580 With regards to safety, we do have a parking lot as limited. 616 00:54:29,260 --> 00:54:30,820 We use that to the best we can. 617 00:54:30,940 --> 00:54:33,320 But a lot of people also park on both sides of Main Street. 618 00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:35,900 It's very dark crossing that intersection. 619 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,240 So a lot of people use the crosswalk to cross. 620 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,980 People coming off 93 go very, very fast. 621 00:54:41,100 --> 00:54:43,100 So it's more the concern of safety of people. 622 00:54:43,100 --> 00:54:48,200 residents, certainly Joel and I have two kids at both go to school system, that is one 623 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:53,020 of our concerns. Again, it's the idea that they want to enhance the property is great. 624 00:54:54,100 --> 00:54:58,480 We support that and enhancing the town, being self-employed, having a piece of real state 625 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:04,960 to do that. We're four. It's just the parking and the traffic is the concern. Thank you. 626 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,380 Thank you. 627 00:55:06,580 --> 00:55:06,820 Thank you. 628 00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:07,320 Thank 629 00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:11,960 you. 630 00:55:11,980 --> 00:55:12,240 Sir. 631 00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,020 Greg Feierstone, 32 Warren Street, and I'll sign in afterwards. 632 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:27,740 You know, I'm echoing some of the other folks here, happy to see development in the area. 633 00:55:28,540 --> 00:55:30,080 My one concern is also parking. 634 00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:36,540 I know if you have a two unit bedroom, you probably have in-laws that want to come visit. 635 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:38,280 I'm speaking from personal experience. 636 00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:43,360 So when they come, where are they going to park or if you have people come visit, where 637 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:44,000 Are they going to park? 638 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:49,060 Even on Warren Street, we're fortunate that it's wide enough that we can have parking 639 00:55:49,060 --> 00:55:50,940 on both sides, but it fills up pretty quickly. 640 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:53,100 So pretty good. 641 00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:53,260 That's all. 642 00:55:53,720 --> 00:55:53,980 Thank you. 643 00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:56,970 All right. 644 00:55:57,430 --> 00:56:02,110 Well, I think we've heard the main concerns for most people. 645 00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:07,190 I'm happy for folks to continue talking, but I guess I'd say at this point, I'd like to 646 00:56:07,190 --> 00:56:12,730 hear if there's something new or different, something that isn't, not a criticism, just 647 00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:17,250 Just I think we've covered the ground that we wanted to cover, thank you. 648 00:56:18,250 --> 00:56:20,830 I'd like to open up for some response from the applicant. 649 00:56:27,450 --> 00:56:33,830 We have a new process in stone that I didn't mention, but I'll throw it out there for now just to everybody knows what we're going. 650 00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:43,130 We have another bylaw that is in effect, although the AG has not approved it to talk about 3% of the development costs for mitigation. 651 00:56:44,050 --> 00:56:58,910 As part of that process, there'd be a traffic study done, and that's at the planning board stage for a special permit where we would find out what traffic there would be, and maybe that might be something we might consider sooner rather than later, but it doesn't come to the next step. 652 00:56:59,630 --> 00:57:06,750 Okay. As far as the concept of putting retail in here, 653 00:57:08,790 --> 00:57:24,210 Retail requires one parking space for every 300 square feet, okay, or 350 actually in this case, it would be a 350 square feet, a building for retail would require one parking space. 654 00:57:25,010 --> 00:57:32,630 If we put parking, retail instead of parking on the first floor, there's no way you'd be able to get. 655 00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:37,450 But even probably the number of units that are there now on the site. 656 00:57:38,430 --> 00:57:41,410 The parking requirement is heavy for retail. 657 00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:44,430 Retail on a site like this. 658 00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:48,270 It doesn't fit into the neighborhood. 659 00:57:48,750 --> 00:57:52,930 You're asking for a, you're asking across purposes, you're going in two different ways. 660 00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:55,550 Housing is definitely the way for this site. 661 00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:59,730 I hear the arguments about parking and not enough. 662 00:57:59,730 --> 00:58:03,170 We can take a look at that, but it's not going to be retail. 663 00:58:03,330 --> 00:58:04,810 It's not going to make any sense. 664 00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:10,050 It won't work for the neighborhood and for any new development. 665 00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:16,050 Just so you all understand, it has to work financially. 666 00:58:17,310 --> 00:58:20,530 And something's going to go here because those houses are old. 667 00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:21,170 It's time. 668 00:58:22,190 --> 00:58:26,370 And we're happy to work with the neighborhood and I like the comments. 669 00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:28,590 There are a few of you from the neighborhood. 670 00:58:28,590 --> 00:58:33,050 that some from other parts of the town, I understand the philosophy, 671 00:58:33,310 --> 00:58:36,230 but the philosophy of making more retail, 672 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,460 it just doesn't work on this site. 673 00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:49,340 And I think that realistically, 100 years ago, zoning was set up and stolen, 1925. 674 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:55,920 What you have today for retail uses is pretty much what was set up in 1925. 675 00:58:56,700 --> 00:58:58,540 It's not going to change much. 676 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:08,120 It's already developed, so you're going to have redevelopment areas to think that retail would even work here, just doesn't make sense. 677 00:59:08,940 --> 00:59:15,980 And as far as the loading zone, loading zones are not required in central business district for residential because it doesn't need it. 678 00:59:16,220 --> 00:59:17,400 You don't need a loading zone. 679 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:20,680 It's not like a business that needs a loading zone. 680 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:30,110 That being said, I understand the board will listen to the concerns, and I'm listening. 681 00:59:32,490 --> 00:59:38,330 I think I'd like to recess to talk to my client a little bit about some of the ideas, just 682 00:59:38,330 --> 00:59:43,310 with the understanding that, you know, would appreciate the input, but something is going 683 00:59:43,310 --> 00:59:43,850 to go here. 684 00:59:46,690 --> 00:59:54,050 It's not like it's going to stay this way, and it can't, it can't be a mix, it just 685 00:59:54,050 --> 00:59:58,810 the site, we're talking 20,000 square feet, it's just not going to be able to be a mix. 686 01:00:00,940 --> 01:00:13,660 If commercial would work, my client would certainly do that, but there are no commercial new developments coming in. It's just not what we're made of now. 687 01:00:16,940 --> 01:00:30,920 Somebody could lighten me of a new project that's commercial that's come in. I must have been asleep at something because it hasn't happened. We'd love it to have it, yeah. But nobody, I guess, listen to the 688 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:38,000 the numbers that I gave which are at the residential rate of 88,700 versus to 25,000 now, 689 01:00:38,180 --> 01:00:39,700 that is a substantial increase. 690 01:00:40,620 --> 01:00:46,900 If you put first floor retail even if you could do it, it wouldn't change the numbers significantly. 691 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,880 It would change them, but not significantly, it's not, 692 01:00:54,300 --> 01:00:57,680 and I think if the town and I live 693 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,180 here, I went to the override and all we had to do, and we did it, but that doesn't mean that 694 01:01:03,180 --> 01:01:07,520 that we're going to be able to change stone them to allow and have commercial, it would be great. 695 01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:14,220 But it's not, unless DCR of all the sudden can come out to our lab, there's no land, okay. 696 01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:20,240 With 4.4 square miles, if you take out DCR, we don't have the land to change the tax. 697 01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:27,340 You know, we're not a burlington, we're not a woven, so, and it's an area where people want to live. 698 01:01:27,340 --> 01:01:34,060 because of the convenience of the highways, 93, 128, the good news, the bad news, but it's 699 01:01:34,060 --> 01:01:34,860 going to be residential. 700 01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:41,360 And we don't produce kids, which is, again, good news, bad news, we get all nice new schools, 701 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:47,080 and we don't produce kids with the Vision 4 and Hawking, the Vision 6 and football, we don't 702 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:52,180 have kids, it's too bad, unfortunate. 703 01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:55,400 We built all these schools and we just don't know. 704 01:01:59,340 --> 01:02:00,580 We're turning kids away. 705 01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:04,190 It's just a second. 706 01:02:04,210 --> 01:02:04,770 Sorry, sorry. 707 01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:05,910 I understand it. 708 01:02:05,970 --> 01:02:07,730 No, I get it. 709 01:02:07,830 --> 01:02:09,850 It's a strong issue for folks. 710 01:02:10,010 --> 01:02:10,170 I don't worry. 711 01:02:10,310 --> 01:02:13,210 But I just want to give you a cool time, please. 712 01:02:14,150 --> 01:02:15,330 I don't go to self-school. 713 01:02:15,530 --> 01:02:18,870 So my grandmother did, though, the old one, obviously. 714 01:02:21,510 --> 01:02:25,750 So I'd like a couple of minutes to just give the experience. 715 01:02:26,570 --> 01:02:27,290 Is that sufficient? 716 01:02:27,290 --> 01:02:33,230 Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Great. Okay. Then in that case we'll take a five minute recess and then we'll read. Okay. 717 01:02:33,490 --> 01:02:38,010 And public hearing is still open. Postal of another chance to talk if they look. No, you're all right. 718 01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:38,470 All right. 719 01:02:40,970 --> 01:02:42,390 I'm free to take a little break folks. 720 01:18:25,550 --> 01:18:37,390 Okay, we're back on air. Okay, yeah. We've listened to the neighbors and we want to revise the plan. We would like to hear if the board has any suggestions because we're going to. 721 01:18:39,950 --> 01:18:41,270 Yeah, that's what I figured. 722 01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:44,410 I don't think so. I can see. Please, please. 723 01:18:44,850 --> 01:18:47,530 But can we give you another copy that's darker? 724 01:18:47,690 --> 01:18:48,530 I think it's an ink issue. 725 01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:49,350 No, it's an ink issue. 726 01:18:49,590 --> 01:18:49,830 It's a size. 727 01:18:50,250 --> 01:18:54,430 Keep in mind certain things, certain things that came up 728 01:18:54,990 --> 01:18:55,510 middle street. 729 01:18:55,950 --> 01:18:57,250 We're not going out middle street. 730 01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:58,690 You can look at the plan. 731 01:18:59,130 --> 01:19:01,750 I know it's hard to read, but you can see we're not going out 732 01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:02,510 on middle street. 733 01:19:02,970 --> 01:19:03,930 We're stipulate at all. 734 01:19:04,270 --> 01:19:06,830 We would stipulate that we were not and we're not. 735 01:19:07,110 --> 01:19:09,350 So if you take a look, you can show them the plan. 736 01:19:09,350 --> 01:19:10,930 and it does not go out to Middle Street. 737 01:19:12,030 --> 01:19:17,370 That first floor has like a garage beside that facing Main Street. 738 01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:19,090 That's the only exit from the parking. 739 01:19:20,490 --> 01:19:23,970 And we're not from Main Street and there's no exit on top. 740 01:19:24,010 --> 01:19:25,570 The main street is to enter into it. 741 01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:26,630 Yes, both ways. 742 01:19:27,210 --> 01:19:27,250 Yes. 743 01:19:34,270 --> 01:19:35,090 Is it trash here? 744 01:19:35,790 --> 01:19:38,130 It's the roll-off cancer. 745 01:19:38,970 --> 01:19:43,030 Oh, the barrels for what we could put in the Main Street, I mean that. 746 01:19:43,390 --> 01:19:43,930 Just one day. 747 01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:47,690 I don't even know if we're going to have our own trash pick, we might even have our own 748 01:19:47,690 --> 01:19:48,210 trash pick. 749 01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:48,670 Yeah. 750 01:19:49,090 --> 01:19:50,610 We're going to have our own trash pick up anyway. 751 01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,220 If we inside the garage, I mean, a lot of this stuff is still going to be designed, and this 752 01:19:59,220 --> 01:20:05,480 is a three-step process, it's just a first round, and we've heard a lot of input. 753 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:06,580 Yeah. 754 01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:12,740 So does the boy have any thoughts on that? 755 01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:18,360 I mean, which if you're late, no, no, middle street, I get that, that makes sense to us. 756 01:20:18,460 --> 01:20:20,180 That's why we designed it to go out main. 757 01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:22,960 And keep in mind that first level is not apartments. 758 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:27,760 It's actually, even though it's screened with a foot side, it's, it's parking. 759 01:20:28,380 --> 01:20:28,520 Yeah. 760 01:20:28,900 --> 01:20:34,940 And that, that pretty much has to stay even though we can make more, yeah, yeah, we can make 761 01:20:34,940 --> 01:20:35,280 three. 762 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:35,940 Yeah. 763 01:20:36,340 --> 01:20:36,440 Yeah. 764 01:20:36,440 --> 01:20:36,480 Yeah. 765 01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:37,440 We can make more parking. 766 01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:39,020 But it has to pretty much go under. 767 01:20:39,020 --> 01:20:45,880 This here with the trash is that next is out to metal, out to metal but it can easily be 768 01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:48,300 by that I did get this concern. 769 01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,780 Yeah, so that's a good point. 770 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:54,040 But we think we do our own trash anyway, right? 771 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,180 I mean, that makes sense. 772 01:20:56,200 --> 01:20:58,880 Yeah, I guess it was point. 773 01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:00,340 Yeah, that's a good point. 774 01:21:00,620 --> 01:21:03,080 Anything else that we think that might? 775 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:13,390 Well I mean I know that this is you've already talked about it so this may not go 776 01:21:13,390 --> 01:21:19,570 anywhere at all but the idea of I understand what you said Mr. Oden that the 777 01:21:19,570 --> 01:21:24,830 idea of any retail space is at odds with the need for parking right pretty much 778 01:21:24,830 --> 01:21:31,430 croaks it in my opinion understood although you know my my we're here talking 779 01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:36,470 about parking appearances at any rate so we're forgiving a little we can forgive a lot 780 01:21:36,470 --> 01:21:42,590 in theory yeah and I would put it out to you to consider what I've seen in other locations 781 01:21:42,590 --> 01:21:47,410 not necessarily in stone in other towns and other experiences that I've had of you know 782 01:21:47,410 --> 01:21:52,390 a very small portion of the first floor being on the main street being a retail space 783 01:21:52,390 --> 01:22:01,090 photo like 290 main street that we as an example yeah not prescribing anything for the 784 01:22:01,090 --> 01:22:04,470 applicant but something to consider as you're looking at the plans. 785 01:22:05,290 --> 01:22:08,450 That area was about 33,000 square feet. 786 01:22:09,690 --> 01:22:11,670 Most of it was for the building build. 787 01:22:12,310 --> 01:22:15,850 This is 20,000 but we're going to start from scratch. 788 01:22:16,270 --> 01:22:27,430 All right, just a thought consider it does not help with the parking but you know one could 789 01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:31,010 make the argument that if we don't need that much parking, you wouldn't need that. 790 01:22:31,010 --> 01:22:31,730 Yeah. Yeah. 791 01:22:33,810 --> 01:22:39,290 All right. Anybody else have any? I think I agree. I mean, we heard a lot of 792 01:22:39,290 --> 01:22:44,690 neighbors at the parking and the obviously the entrance on and off main street was a big 793 01:22:44,690 --> 01:22:51,450 percent. So do I understand that your plan would be to continue to next month and submit 794 01:22:51,450 --> 01:22:58,550 a new plan? I don't know if we'd have enough time for that. So the question would be, I 795 01:22:58,550 --> 01:23:02,350 I think we're better off with Theran without prejudice and starting over. 796 01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:03,410 That's what I would think. 797 01:23:03,610 --> 01:23:04,190 And resummit. 798 01:23:04,510 --> 01:23:04,610 Yeah. 799 01:23:05,250 --> 01:23:08,930 And then everybody get no notice of a new project. 800 01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:10,550 That way it's cleaner, I think. 801 01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:12,310 Okay. 802 01:23:13,710 --> 01:23:15,410 Obviously, the board has to, okay, yeah. 803 01:23:15,410 --> 01:23:17,150 We really have a motion, and yeah, but of course. 804 01:23:17,990 --> 01:23:21,470 Okay, so just so folks understand, because they may not be familiar with that. 805 01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:26,990 The applicants requesting withdrawal without prejudice, which means we essentially pretend 806 01:23:26,990 --> 01:23:27,790 this never happened. 807 01:23:27,790 --> 01:23:39,070 And there's a, this project goes away, and what comes before us would be a new submission, a new application, whatever that turns out to be. 808 01:23:39,130 --> 01:23:41,730 And maybe very similar to this, it may be very different from this. 809 01:23:42,370 --> 01:23:42,870 Yes, sir. 810 01:23:42,890 --> 01:23:45,410 Just for question, I mean, it's for my own knowledge. 811 01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:49,650 In the area, is it permitted to have another ground garage? 812 01:23:50,770 --> 01:23:52,090 It's permitted, yes. 813 01:23:52,090 --> 01:23:59,310 So it's a matter of the constructions to consider it or not, in order to solve the issue of the number. 814 01:23:59,490 --> 01:24:05,650 The construction building code costs all kinds of factors, but that's not a specific, 815 01:24:05,790 --> 01:24:07,110 that's not a zoning prohibition. 816 01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:10,950 It's not prohibitive, it's not our, yes, it's not our lookout on that, 817 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:13,980 okay. 818 01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:20,820 So with that being said, I would make a motion to allow the applicant to withdraw without prejudice. 819 01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:23,540 and that way you can resummit. 820 01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:27,660 Have you notified us to what the new project would be? 821 01:24:27,860 --> 01:24:28,440 I think it would be. 822 01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,540 The benefit of everybody in this board. 823 01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:32,560 Very good. 824 01:24:32,860 --> 01:24:33,160 So move. 825 01:24:33,300 --> 01:24:33,480 Second. 826 01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:34,560 Seconded. 827 01:24:34,740 --> 01:24:35,840 Call the roll, Mr. Sullivan. 828 01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:36,280 Hi. 829 01:24:36,500 --> 01:24:37,080 Mr. McLaughlin? 830 01:24:37,220 --> 01:24:37,340 Yes. 831 01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,000 Mr. Ruben? 832 01:24:38,060 --> 01:24:38,160 Yes. 833 01:24:38,500 --> 01:24:39,040 Mr. Dufor? 834 01:24:39,220 --> 01:24:39,360 Yes. 835 01:24:39,700 --> 01:24:40,480 And the chair is in favor. 836 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:41,640 Thank you. 837 01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:42,580 We'll look forward to it. 838 01:24:43,300 --> 01:24:44,420 Thank you all for coming out. 839 01:24:44,580 --> 01:24:45,120 Appreciate it. 840 01:24:45,500 --> 01:24:46,120 I have one. 841 01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:58,540 Before we talk can I just get I want no you're good please feel to I will close the meeting and then feel free 842 01:24:58,540 --> 01:25:05,780 So I do make a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all in favor of adjournment say aye. We're adjourned good night